Log from 2007-08-06:
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00:00 <epsy> a bit sometimes ^_^
00:00 <spidey> should check out the fa servers :)
00:01 <epsy> US server ?
00:01 <spidey> ya
00:02 <epsy> jeez
00:03 <epsy> my ping already suck in EU servers
00:03 <epsy> so gues how it would be in US servrs -_-
00:05 <spidey> heh
00:06 <epsy> not talking about my fps
00:06 <epsy> even worse
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00:46 <Lucifer_arma> Bush pledges federal help to quickly rebuild collapsed bridge  <--- I hope they rebuild it quicker than they rebuilt the WTC
00:50 <luke-jr|work> I need to find a good X11 proxy servre
00:50 <luke-jr|work> any ideas?
00:52 <tramshed> not off hand
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> x11 proxy server?
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> xdmx, according to google
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> all the rest I'm seeing are home-brews
00:58 <luke-jr|work> hm
00:59 <luke-jr|work> looks like it proxies in the opposite direction O.o
01:00 <luke-jr|work> what I really need is something that actually does what NX claims to do
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> so, for example, run a windows program on a remote server, but only get the program itself on your client, rather than a whole windows desktop?
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> or, run an x11 program on one server, another one on another server, but they run in your desktop environment?
01:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you refering to xterm?
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> no
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm talking about where you pick some application in your application menu, but the application runs on a remote server rather than your local machine
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> but it's transparent, you don't know or care that it's running somewhere else
01:03 <spidey> http://www.mail-archive.com/plash-commits@gna.org/msg00526.html
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> most of what's out there right now lets you do a terminal type setup pretty easily
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> but they make it hard to connect individual applications, you usually wind up doing those by hand in a terminal window
01:04 <spidey> http://www.mail-archive.com/plash-commits@gna.org/msg00526.html
01:04 <spidey> that?
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I'm trying to figure out what luke wants
01:04 <spidey> you...doing something for...luke....
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> ?  I didn't say I was doing anything for luke
01:05 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: ssh -X that persists across connection loss
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, run it through screen?
01:05 <luke-jr|work> screen doesn't cover X
01:05 <luke-jr|work> does it?
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, but that's what I'd try first :)
01:06 <luke-jr|work> last I checked, screen only works with console apps
01:06 <spidey> wait
01:06 <spidey> i misread
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, and I don't know anything else that'll help you.  I was seeing if I could direct you to ltsp, but apparently not
01:06 <spidey> i thought lucifer was asking for the proxy thingy
01:06 <spidey> xD
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> although ltsp might have an answer for you, it's not well documented
01:07 <|Sticky|> screen wont keep a broken ssh connection going altho you could set up a script to run inside screen to reconnect everytime it drops
01:08 <luke-jr|work> |Sticky|: the X11 session is the problem
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> even if you ssh to the server, run screen, then ssh to localhost (still the server) ?
01:08 <spidey> ...
01:08 <spidey> i don't understand
01:08 <spidey> why not use rdesktop?
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's for windows
01:08 <spidey> vnc?
01:09 <tramshed> wheee, kernel recompile
01:09 <spidey> x11 terminal session?
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> and it's not a solution anyway, luke wants the application to not get killed
01:09 <spidey> vnc?
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> basically, spidey, when the x11 server drops connection (remember server/client are reversed in x11 land), the client application gets killed
01:09 <luke-jr|work> spidey: VNC is slow and contains its own session
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> luke wants the x11 client to survive and keep running, and when he reconnects, have it restored
01:10 <spidey> a screen gui?
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, screen for x11 :)
01:10 <|Sticky|> hmm interesting
01:10 <|Sticky|> never heard of anything that does that
01:11 <tramshed> I used to know how to do it
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> he probably also wants an autoreconnect thing going, for patchy wifi connections
01:11 <tramshed> but my brainis toast
01:11 <|Sticky|> well scripting a reconnect is asy making it persist is the problem
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep )
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> :)
01:12 <spidey> wtf is luke using wifi for anyways
01:12 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: I can reconnect manually
01:12 <spidey> don't turn on the microwave!
01:13  * luke-jr|work microwaves spidey 
01:13 <spidey> onlything i use wifi for is the laptop, because i don't give a shit if it's connected or not :p
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> I use wifi all the time, and my connection is very nice
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't run x11 sessions over it, either
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> my ltsp client is wired to the network
01:14 <luke-jr|work> I am turning my laptop into my only workstation
01:14 <spidey> i don't think what luke wants exsists
01:14 <spidey> ;p
01:15 <spidey> google phail = bad
01:15 <|Sticky|> Lucifer_arma: http://hpux.cs.utah.edu/hppd/hpux/X11/Core/xplaces-0.3/ a possibility
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> try the ssh/screen/ssh thing and see what happens
01:15 <tramshed> heh, you cant screen x11 im pretty sure
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> you're not screening x11, you're screening ssh and running an x11 app inside it
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> which means the ssh client is managing the session
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, nvm, that didn't make sense
01:16 <spidey> haha
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> and probably won't work, but takes 5 minutes to test :)
01:17 <tramshed> ascii X!
01:18 <tramshed> layman told me to go suck myself off btw
01:18 <luke-jr|work> NoMachine NX works... but it's proprietary :/
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> License: GNU General Public License (GPL)
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nx/
01:18 <|Sticky|> tramshed: did you?
01:18 <tramshed> nah, im lazy
01:19 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: the lib is GPL
01:19 <luke-jr|work> not the full thing
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> if the lib is gpl, the app must be
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> the app that links to it
01:20  * tramshed points out that x-chat on windows is a 30 day trial and then you have to pay for it
01:21 <luke-jr|work> or both have the same author
01:21 <luke-jr|work> tramshed: or you remove that from the code and recompile yourself
01:21 <spidey> tramshed, i have a crack :)
01:21 <tramshed> aye, but once again, im lazy
01:21 <spidey> it's a patched .exe
01:22 <tramshed> I hope this new kernel boots
01:22 <tramshed> I hate it when my kernels dont work
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01:34 <spidey> yay
01:34 <spidey> i know a guy
01:34 <spidey> that is a leader of a security group
01:34 <spidey> and
01:34 <spidey> is a hacker
01:34 <spidey> because he can bind a key in a game, using /bind, and pm spam people out of fa trem servers
01:35 <spidey> leet! /me runs
01:35 <tramshed> heh
01:35 <tramshed> spam doesnt bother me
01:35 <spidey> nono
01:35 <spidey> it's not spam
01:35 <spidey> it's like a DoS
01:36 <tramshed> what is fa trem?
01:36 <spidey> picture it like this, they flood you with pms so much, the gameserver floods them out of the game
01:36 <spidey> fa = fallin-angels and trem = tremulous
01:36 <tramshed> ah
01:36 <tramshed> I thought you were referring to armagetron
01:36 <spidey> nope :p
01:37 <spidey> he's even so leet
01:38 <tramshed> Heh, I made it into the source code comments of an MMO
01:38 <spidey> he posted a video on youtube, of him using a well-known teamspeak exploit(program) he didn't make, just clicking buttons and flooding a server
01:38 <tramshed> I found some interesting holes
01:38 <spidey> what mmo?
01:38 <tramshed> vendetta-online
01:38 <spidey> never heard of it :p
01:38 <tramshed> not a huge one
01:38 <tramshed> good player base though
01:39 <tramshed> and the devs are accessible
01:39 <spidey> that's not everything though...
01:39 <tramshed> well, its also quite fun, heh
01:39 <spidey> are they assholes, or cool peoples, that makes all the difference :)
01:39 <tramshed> they just opened up thier lua interface to us so we can add out own stuff in
01:40 <tramshed> oh, they are cool as hell
01:40 <tramshed> momerath said hell give me a free year if I write him an ingame term emulator
01:40 <spidey> nice
01:40 <tramshed> and Incarnate (Head Dev) updates me on protocol changes so I can poke holes in the test servers
01:40 <spidey> http://www.tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5768
01:40 <tramshed> heh, no intarweb yet
01:40 <spidey> haxzors :(!
01:41 <tramshed> compilin firefox now
01:41 <tramshed> the cool thing is that the devs play occasionally too, you can get some revenge
01:41 <tramshed> "THIS IS FOR NERFING THE MOTH" BOOOOOM
01:42 <tramshed> the game has a twitch based combat system which I lofe
01:42 <tramshed> f=v
01:42 <tramshed> you can have really crappy equipment and still pwn someone with high level stuff if you are skilled enough
01:42 <spidey> what i hate
01:43 <spidey> is a community with good devs, but the community itself is assholes
01:43 <spidey> as you can see in this post :)
01:43 <tramshed> this community is pretty good, heh
01:43 <tramshed> we got a couple, but they are known and ignored
01:43 <spidey> they all resort to flaming, some at me, and i posted info so they could ban the malicious users!
01:43 <spidey> that's a pretty fucked community
01:43 <tramshed> its very crossplatform, so we get all kinds
01:44 <tramshed> windows/linux/osx even have some nonsupported solaris and bsd ports
01:45 <spidey> i'll look into it :)
01:45 <spidey> tho
01:45 <spidey> just what i need...
01:45 <spidey> another addiction
01:45 <tramshed> haha
01:45 <tramshed> Im pretty addicted
01:45  * spidey looks at a 20gb /games folder
01:45 <tramshed> theres a lot of room for customization as well in it
01:45 <tramshed> the new lua interface is great
01:45 <tramshed> access to all the games internals pretty much
01:46 <tramshed> Incarnate wants me to go find all the holes in it yet
01:46 <spidey> nice
01:46 <spidey> wow
01:46 <tramshed> we have a working relationship, I find all the exploits, and they dont ban me when I fire devbeams or capital ships at people on accident
01:47 <tramshed> or crash sectors
01:47 <spidey> these guys stated that they where gonna start cracking rcon passwords, so, since for tremulous a wrapper would be pretty easy to make, i said if it became a problem for our servers, and others i'd post a wrapper that'd use iptables to autoban after x-amount of failed tries
01:48 <spidey> he even quoted it, and still totally went off about something else , that's pretty irrelivant itself
01:48 <tramshed> hah
01:48 <tramshed> I hate dumbasses on forums
01:48 <spidey> this kid's 16
01:48 <spidey> 16!
01:48 <tramshed> he talking about bruting them?
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01:48 <spidey> yes
01:48 <spidey> which btw
01:49 <tramshed> you could still do it with something like proxychains, but it would take forever
01:49 <spidey> the stuff he's already done to our servers could be concidered a cybercrime
01:49 <spidey> so i'm waiting for the logs showing him trying to bruteforce it
01:49 <spidey> so i can report it to his isp
01:49 <tramshed> return the favor?
01:49 <tramshed> he play the game?
01:49 <spidey> yea
01:49 <tramshed> there you go, free ticket in
01:50 <spidey> i've actually concidered posting on the fa fourms (that he reads, and attempts to spam) a trap :D
01:50 <spidey> he's retarded enough to fall for it...
01:50 <tramshed> lol
01:55 <spidey> he would shit
01:55 <spidey> mommy would be like "what did you do to get our isp account suspended?!?!?!?!"
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02:52 <spidey> i wonder if it'd be possible to proxy your entire connection O.o
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03:04 <GodTodd> well crap....terry brooks is fixin' to harry potter our sorry asses :/
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> he's going to write harry potter books?
03:19 <digitx> .
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> you mean warner brothers buying the rights to the shannara books?
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> they could do it real justice, to be honest.  Just like the lord of the rings, since the first trilogy was nearly as boring
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> at least terry brooks figured out that nobody likes to read "one foot in front of another" for 500 pages.
03:34 <GodTodd> heh...you forgot about the new shannara books and the landover movies too :)
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03:35  * digitx is away (bye)
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> the new shannara books being the heritage of shannara, or did he go and write more after that even?
04:24  * Lucifer_arma hasn't read any heroic fantasy in years
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> so apparently 5 minutes on a trampoline is supposed to be equivalent to running a mile
04:25  * Lucifer_arma wants trampoline information from someone who's not a fitness fad nutjob
04:27 <GodTodd> there's somewhere around a dozen shannara books now
04:27 <GodTodd> with, i think, 6 more coming
04:28 <GodTodd> www.pogo.com
04:28 <GodTodd> www.pogo.com
04:29 <GodTodd> dammit
04:29 <GodTodd> heh
04:45 <tramshed> spidey, yes it is possible to proxy your entire connection, its called proxychains
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05:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, who wants to be kicked?
05:27 <spidey> me!
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05:28 <spidey> :D
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05:28 <spidey> <3
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> my wife was singing that song earlier, and I decided to put some of it into my irc messages.
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> see?  Look!
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05:28 <spidey> lol
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05:28 <spidey> lol
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05:30 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, would it be safe to say, most client/server games are udp?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, maybe
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> if it's real-time or there's something like real-time action, such as in a simulator, only udp will do
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> turn-based, such as freeciv, tends to use tcp to simplify development
05:31 <spidey> ok
05:31 <spidey> so a fps is diffently udp
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> yes, definitely
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not, then it probbly sucks ass
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> now, it may suck ass for other reasons and have a perfectly good udp transport layer
05:31 <spidey> heh
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> udp gives you the lowest possible network latency at the expense of reliability
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> you send the packet, and either it gets there or it doesn't.  Hence packet loss is a big problem.
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> tcp deals with packet loss and ensures that all packets will arrive in order, but that can mean longer transmission times for larger chunks of data
05:33 <spidey> k
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> obviously high network latency is bad for any game with real-time action, so you take the packet loss and try to code in ways to correct for it
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> either by resending packets (if they're still important), sending regular syncs, or by writing ways for the simulator to guess at what it doesn't know
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> arma uses a strategy that incorporates all three methods
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> but like in a fps game, knowing that the guy just shot at someone else is less important, so if that packet doesn't arrive, it doesn't get resent, it's not useful
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> or it'll get summarized instead when the regular sync comes
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> but knowing that you're being shot at is crucial.  However, if the packet is lost, resending it is only going to confuse you, because you'll be finding out that you're being shot at, but the shot arrives on your machine half a second or longer after the fact
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> so what good is resending that packet?
05:35 <spidey> no reason to
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> better to just send 3-4 versions of it at the time that it matters and hope at least one of them gets through.  :)  Then you have serious bandwidth issues
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> one strategy I've at least heard discussed, but don't know if it's used, is to take measurements of packet loss and use those to determine what to do with crucial packets
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> like, if the client is suffering 50% packet loss, then you can send the same packet 3 times in a row with reasonable expectancy that the message will be received
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> but if it's only suffering 0.1% packet loss, you can get away with just sending it once and rolling the dice
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> problem there is you open the server up to DOS attacks where clients simulate packet loss with the intention of overloading the server's outgoing message queue
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> so you get an idea of how complex it can be :)
05:37 <luke-jr_work> fun
05:37 <spidey> ?
05:37 <spidey> was till 30 seconds ago
05:37 <spidey> 10*
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> if you wait for the client to acknowledge an important packet, then by the time you figure out the client didn't receive it, it's usually too late to resend it
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> so what then?  :)
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> my personal preference is gauges that give you an idea of what is happening that get frequent enough syncs so tht if you don't know about something that just happened due to pcket loss,
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> you can still see it in the gauge.  In an fps, this could be something like a danger level gauge, based on how many bullets passed by you in the last 10 seconds or whatever
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> in arma it's less important, we sync the whole grid often enough that missed turns are usually recovered quickly
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> most people don't really notice how completely unreliable the game's network layer is (because the network layer itself is Very Good, it's the network that sucks)
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> and only notice during high periods of packet loss, which can inflate their apparent ping and cause them to see huge jumps when a sync is received
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's a setting in arma to allow for more frequent syncs, for like if you're playing in a LAN, or otherwise have a lot of bandwidth to burn
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> then between syncs, we just send individual player turns and the client reconstructs the action with those.  So if a turn is missed, what does it do?
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've actually seen the code tht does tthis.  The syncs also send the player's position, so if the client says "Wait a minute, there's no way the player cn be at tht point with the turns I know about", it can extrapolate the last turn pretty accurately
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of corrections you don't notice because a) they happen so fast, b) they happen out of view, or c) you have to watch your hud map to see them
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I've noticed an interesting correlation between the use of custom cam and perceived increases in lag
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect it's just bringing normal corrections that would be happening out of view for most other people into view because of the cam settings
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's it, I'm done rambling about network shit
05:43 <spidey> lol
05:45 <GodTodd> hmmm...should i be concerned that my son has a crush on my wife's 17 year old cousin?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> is she hot?
05:46 <GodTodd> well...yeah
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> then no
05:46 <GodTodd> :)
05:46 <spidey> lol
05:46 <GodTodd> i guess it's getting close to "the talk" time :/
05:46 <GodTodd> heh
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, you should've seen my wife when my two older kids (before the other one was born) came out holding hands, saying they were getting married because they "love each other!"
05:47 <GodTodd> haha
05:47  * Lucifer_arma reminds everyone that his two older kids are opposite genders
05:48 <GodTodd> my oldest is beginning to think about the deeper things in life....religion, opposite sex relations, etc.
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> and cars that transform into robots?
05:48 <GodTodd> well...that too :)
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter's started working on that stuff too
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> she's decided that God doesn't exist, which is a reversal of her previous position on the matter
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> she's also decided that she doesn't like the way the other kids treat kids that don't believe in God
05:49 <GodTodd> i figure i'll just make the information available, be there for any questions/clarification and let him draw his own conclusions
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> in the process she's learning how to respect her own privacy, and starting to notice that other people have this thing called privacy too
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> I never tried to push her in any direction, I treated the belief in God thing the same as thinking there were monsters in the closet
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> if it was causing her to not do something she needed to do, then it was a problem (the monster in the closet made it so she couldn't get dressed in the morning)
05:51 <GodTodd> heh...i believe in god and still get shunned...surprise, surprise :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, my middle kid has another statement about god to throw on the pile
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> "I believe in God.  I also believe in vampires, ghosts, monsters, and aliens."
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, otherwise we just ignore it, or rather, don't treat it as anything special.  Just another phase....
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> but my girl still thinks boys are icky
05:52 <GodTodd> i figure the most information i have is on my own and my wife's beliefs so that's probably where he'll start
05:53 <GodTodd> but if he wants to become a fundy then so be it
05:53 <GodTodd> he just better be able to handle debates ;)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> I can go along with that, but as long as they live under my roof, there ain't no jesus-loving allowed in this house!
05:54 <GodTodd> he can love jesus all he wants as long as he doesn't try to convert me
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, not that extreme, but you get the idea.  I won't take them to church, I will forbid them to go to church under the age of 12 (if they want to go on their own, for special family events its different)
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> and they absolutely must show tolerance to other religions and people with brains
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> (where people with brains == no religion)
05:54 <GodTodd> hell...i'll even go so far as to take him to church if he wants
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it'll be a problem.  The christians in this area will ensure my kids develop a strong distaste for religion in general.  NIce to know they're good for something...
05:55  * GodTodd has brains and a religion. :P
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I want my kids to have reasonable mental defense mechanisms in place before being exposed to that sort of organized indoctrination
05:56 <GodTodd> that's why i would have to be there with him
05:56 <GodTodd> :)
05:56 <GodTodd> teach him to think critically of what he is told
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> there's a world of difference between reading the bible here and coming to their own conclusions and going to church and being given their thinking
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> and I absolutely make the bible available to them.  Wish I could make the satanic bible available to them without getting CPS called on me
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe when they're older I'll take it out of the closet.
05:57  * GodTodd thought about buying a copy at half price books
05:57 <GodTodd> heh
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter much right now, they're not interested.  I take their lack of interest to indicate the appropriate lack of mental development needed to grasp the concepts.
05:57 <GodTodd> that's how i've approached it
05:58 <GodTodd> "if you're old enough to ask the question, you're old enough to hear the answer."
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh, not for everything!  My daughter asked, after our last kid was born, how he got into mommy in the first place
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'm not shy, we've talked in great detail how babies are made, but that's a hard question to answer
05:59 <GodTodd> you get to the point where the boy touches the girl...that should end it ;)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> problem isn't that she won't understand the answer, she will understand it just fine.  The problem is that at that age, it would totally gross her out
05:59 <GodTodd> two years and my oldest will be in middle school
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> but if she were to ask right now, I think I'd have to give her a complete answer.  I think she's old enough to handle it.
06:00 <GodTodd> he's plenty old enough here real soon
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> mine's going into third grade this year, so she's still a few years off from middle school
06:00 <GodTodd> i definitely didn't pull any of that stork bullshit
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping to tell her about the mechanics of sex before she gets all hormonal, so that when she does get all hormonal, we'll be able to deal with it as a social issue for a young girl
06:00 <spidey> Red Hat 3.4.5-2
06:01 <spidey> so that means red hat 3.4.5?
06:01 <spidey> i hate rpm systems they confuzzle me
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> build 2, or release 2, or something like that
06:01 <GodTodd> service pack 2? :D
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we didn't do that stork bullshit either.  I don't know anybody who does, but we actually had the two oldest in the delivery room so they could see their brother being born
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> they loved it :)
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter cried, she was so moved :)
06:02 <GodTodd> my oldest was in school when my youngest was born
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have taken him out of school.  :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I say that, but I won't be tested on that one
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> also different situation.  It was your first baby with Karen
06:03 <GodTodd> yep
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> for me it would be like our fourth kid together, we already had our first together.
06:04 <GodTodd> and he would have been so bored beforehand that he would have just been a distraction
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, I won't be tested on it, so it's entirely possible I would decide to leave the ones in school just so we don't have 3 kids running about during the delivery :)
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> we brought someone with us to entertain the kids while we focused on the delivery
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> it was very orderly
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> and damn near routine, it was kinda scary
06:05 <GodTodd> heh
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> what was silly, or stupid, depending on how you rate it, was this:
06:05 <GodTodd> see...my wife got stuck at 7 cm for hours...then went from 7 to 10 in a matter of minutes....it was pretty unpredictable
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> with our two kids in the room, my wife says "This baby's coming out, go get the doctor"
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> the nurse said that it was normal for mothers to think the baby's coming out, but in fact it's just a regular contraction.
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  Did she think my wife had never done this before or something?
06:06 <GodTodd> haha
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> when the nurse finally decided to call that my wife was ready for the doctor (in which case the doctor finishes her cigarette and then comes in, or whatever)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> she turned her back, opened the door and started calling out to the other staff
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, my son's head popped out
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> she should've listened to my wife!
06:08 <spidey> libds >= 1.2.0   means i need equal to, or greater than?
06:08  * spidey isn't good with math expressions :)
06:08 <GodTodd> yeah...the nurses here at medical center put emphasis on that....kept asking my wife about everything...how it was feeling, etc. that's how they gauged how soon the kid would come
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> yes, >= is equal to or greater
06:08 <spidey> kk
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> it should be a requirement that nurses listen to their patients
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> why it's not, I don't know.  I realize that many women, especially on the first kid, freak out and say the baby's coming when it's a regular contraction
06:09 <GodTodd> that's why we like our doctor too...he assumes *gasp* that you know more about how you feel than he does
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> hell, Karen probably screamed when she dilated up to 10 cm after sitting at 7 for so long
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> did she?  ;)
06:09 <GodTodd> nope
06:09 <GodTodd> not one scream the whole time
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> you can spend like 6 hours getting from 0 to 7 cm
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> no drugs?
06:10 <GodTodd> drugs
06:10 <GodTodd> heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> two of my kids came out with no drugs, but my wife got stuck with, er, whatever they call it, with the first
06:10 <GodTodd> the epidural?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> and for this reason, among many others, you should never get a baby delivered in that particular maternity ward!
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's it.  The horrible needle in the back
06:11 <GodTodd> yeah
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> see, the nurses were watching some tv show, and they were glued to it, so they didn't want to *gasp* attend my wife
06:11 <GodTodd> karen tried without that but decided after all to go for it
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> their solutions involved a catheter, all this fancy monitoring gear, and all sorts of crap
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> the epidural to get her to quit screaming
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> the catheter was because my wife kept taking off all the monitoring gear so she could go pee
06:11 <GodTodd> haha
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  their tv program is more important than my baby?  Take their licenses and kick 'em to the curb, I say!
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> then they decided it was time to call the doctor, because as you're probably aware the doctor in the maternity ward is on-call
06:12 <GodTodd> karen had all that stuff too...but we also had nurses in constantly
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> they came in and said she had been called and would be here soon
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> they gave a 20 minute estimate, and the accompanying countdowns
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> then said "the doctor should be here any minute" for another 20 minutes
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> at 5:55am, I heard one nurse say to the other "You did call the doctor, right?"
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> the answer?  "I thought you called the doctor!"
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> and at 6am, my wife's regular doctor came in for his regular work day
06:13 <GodTodd> heh....our ob came in to check on her that morning, went back to his office (which is connected to the hospital) and had to be called back within 30 minutes....i think he gets there in about 5
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> If we have another kid, we're staying home and delivering him ourselves, I think
06:14 <GodTodd> kid was born around 9:30 am
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> just in time for breakfast :)
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> was he real cranky, being spit out that early in the morning?
06:14 <GodTodd> we were his 9:00 am appt that day too
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> for our third kid, the hospital told her not to come in when she called
06:15 <GodTodd> i think he was more cranky because he took a huge dump right as he was coming down the canal
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> so she called me and said "This baby's being born tonight, come take me to the hospital"
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's normal.  :)  My last kid did too
06:16 <GodTodd> yeah...they had to pull shit out of his throat (literally!)
06:16 <GodTodd> heh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> so when we got there, the hospital staff was all "we told you to stay home and call us when the contractions are 5 minutes apart"
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ew, I can see him being cranky with that going on
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ours had his head out by the time he dumped his load
06:16 <GodTodd> yeah...ours swallowed it
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife says "If I wait that long, there won't be time to drive here, this baby's coming out fast"
06:17 <GodTodd> prepared him for fundies trying to get him to swallow nasty shit, i guess ;)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> when it was all over, they were shocked at how fast it happened, and thanked her for her initiative :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> nah, that's preparing him for AMerican-style democracy
06:17 <GodTodd> mushroom democracy :)
06:17 <GodTodd> keep us in the dark and feed us shit
06:19 <GodTodd> we've been trying to help get a 17 year old ready to enter texas schools
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06:19 <Lucifer_arma> your wife's cousin?
06:19 <GodTodd> yeah
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> good job waiting until /dev/null left before talking about her :)
06:20 <GodTodd> haha
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> I hope he goes through old forum posts and finds all the whacked out jokes I've made about his predicament while he's been gone :)
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> so she's been homeschooled, then?
06:20 <GodTodd> no
06:20 <GodTodd> close tho
06:20 <GodTodd> vegas schools
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> means she's gay, promiscuous, and can't read/write/rithmetic?
06:21 <GodTodd> dunno...but her parents are pretty worthless
06:21 <GodTodd> they fought during their divorce to force the other to take her
06:21 <GodTodd> neither wanted her
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> ack, that sucks more than a little
06:21 <GodTodd> yeah
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> how old was she?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> or is this a recent thing?
06:22 <GodTodd> around tommy's age i think
06:22 <GodTodd> so...9 10
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> so she's had plenty of time to internalize the conflict
06:22 <GodTodd> something like that
06:22 <GodTodd> yeah
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> she all whacked out, then?
06:22 <GodTodd> she seems to be pretty well adjusted
06:22 <GodTodd> more so than i'd expect
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> different people express that stuff differently
06:23 <GodTodd> yep
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> my wife was all whacked out, but her sister wasn't
06:23 <GodTodd> i think she'll be okay if she stays here for a while
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now if you compare the two, you'll reach the opposite conclusion.  :)  My wife's been healing for 11 years, while her sister has remained relatively stagnant
06:24 <GodTodd> not to mention this is one of the best school districts in the country :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> is she here with a parent, or just staying with you guys?
06:24 <GodTodd> she's staying with karen's parents
06:24 <GodTodd> they're getting guardianship from her dad
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so this is a permanent thing?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> why's her dad giving her up?
06:24 <GodTodd> yep til 18 at least
06:25 <GodTodd> not sure completely...maybe he's realizing he really still is an alcoholic and shit...another sister of his convinced him it's for the best, as well
06:25 <GodTodd> so it's not just karen't mom that thinks so
06:25 <GodTodd> karen's*
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> ah, family pressure then
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06:26 <Lucifer_arma> something in the girl's life---
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> er, now that he's back, we better quit talking about her :)
06:26 <GodTodd> he sent her out here in the first place because of some stalker thing i think it was
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> real stalker, or alcoholic hallucination?
06:27 <GodTodd> real stalker afaik
06:28 <GodTodd> personally, i just like the eye candy....us poor old married guys gotta have some vices
06:28 <GodTodd> :)
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> get her to play freeciv.  :)  I'm a firm believer that everything you need to know to succeed in Texas schools can be learned playing freeciv.
06:29 <GodTodd> haha
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> and if there is some emotional upset going on, she can focus her attention on a nice LOOONG distraction to help clear her mind
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> give her some useful metaphors to manipulate, etc.
06:30 <GodTodd> oh...and her staying wasn't really her dad's idea...it was her's actually
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> but if there's a real stalker, then of course she should start with a new internet identity that has no connections to her old one
06:30 <GodTodd> yeah....we'll have to delve into all that
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> get her on linux :)
06:30 <GodTodd> haha
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I had a bit of a talk with my mother-in-law today when she came up against the fact that we don't run windows
06:31  * tramshed compiles tron
06:31 <tramshed> layman is borked or something, you should take it out of the topic
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's this game she plays on some nickoledeon website that requires an activex control of some sort with my nephew
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> she wanted to play it with my kids, but it wouldn't run, for what should now be obvious reasons
06:31  * GodTodd notes that compiles and complies are *very* similar...coincidence?
06:32 <GodTodd> haha
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> when I was talking to her about it, it became clear (and she found herself admitting) that the game required something to be installed locally that she didn't even know about
06:32 <GodTodd> yep
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I told her that that particular game was probably safe, but the same mechanism that made it possible for the game to be installed without her knowing can and has been exploited
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> told her about that teacher that was recently acquitted on appeal over the pr0n popups in class
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> that this stuff literally ruins people's lives, and there's almost nothing they can do about it
06:33 <GodTodd> except go away from windoze :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's kinda like cancer, if it's going to fuck you over, there's not much you can do about it except weather it and hopefully live
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, except that
06:33 <GodTodd> and linux is chemotherapy?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> so I started telling her about how my own computers are setup to prevent that sort of thing from happening
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, I actually feel like my kids are pretty safe on the internet right now
06:34 <luke-jr_work> tramshed: SF likes to screw with us
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06:34 <tramshed> ah
06:34 <tramshed> it keeps telling me that svn.sourceforge.net isnt real
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I pointed out to her that there are plenty of other games that can be played that we're not in any shortage of gaming for the kids even if we can't run windows games
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> she had no choice but to agree, because it's true :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> don't let those windows losers that say they keep using windows because of games fool you, there's plenty of games in linux
06:35 <GodTodd> yeah...ubuntu has a large choice of kids games actually
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, their favorite game right now (which they played with this hardcore mormon bitch) is Angry Drunken Dwarves :)
06:35 <tramshed> haha, this is a hell of an error to crap out with
06:35 <GodTodd> and i haven't even really looked at the debian listing
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> tramshed: you want armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> #svn
06:35 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
06:35 <tramshed> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in tools/tLocale.cpp:150 :
06:35 <tramshed>         Language British English not found.
06:35 <tramshed> Please send a Bug report!
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> definitely plenty of games to play.  They also like airstrike a lot
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> I don't blame them, airstrike is damn addicting
06:37 <GodTodd> thing is...most of the windows games that tommy likes are old enough wine should probably run them
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> most of the games run fine on the thin client, too.  Except for the 3d games
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> hard to say.  I never could get wine to run Caesar II
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> which is a shame, I really enjoyed that game :)
06:38 <GodTodd> heh
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I gave the disc to somebody a few years back, though, so I don't have it anymore
06:39 <GodTodd> eventually i'll probably make this a windows-free house
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think open source games are the best ones for kids to play anyway
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> people always tell me that's not true, but here's my argument
06:39 <GodTodd> don't know if i can totally tho...karen has to have some stuff for work in case she has to work from home
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> back in the day, computing resources were thin and games weren't profitable enough to warrant large budgets on development
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> you should investigate rdesktop for those situations where you need windows
06:40 <GodTodd> i will
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need a good terminal server, though
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, back in the day, games were a lot better because to be successful, they had to have cutting edge graphics, sound, and gameplay
06:40 <GodTodd> well...i'll plan the whole thing out before i willy nilly start formatting
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> cutting edge graphics and sound wasn't anything like it is now, you could actually do very little and still be cutting edge in those areas
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> so gameplay was king
06:41 <GodTodd> yep
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> as games became more profitable and budgets rose, gameplay suffered, until we get to a point where games are very beautiful, very good sound, but very hard to play
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> and very hard to keep interest for some of us oldtimers
06:41 <GodTodd> like myst
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> but open source gaming has the same problems the old games had.  They don't have huge budgets, and they're expected to be "just as good" as commercial offerings
06:42 <tramshed> like moria
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> since they can't compete with cutting-edge graphics and sound (except in a few niche areas, and except for some few talented developers), they have to compete with gameplay
06:42  * GodTodd prefers gameplay over prettiness.
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> so most open source games have very good gameplay, and require a certain amount of thought to be good at, and exercise the brain!
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> so what's better for kids, then?
06:43 <GodTodd> i agree
06:43 <tramshed> the funny part is, im installing neverball while you give this speech
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:43 <tramshed> dont feel like figuring out how to fix that tron error
06:43  * Lucifer_arma finds that most people install distractions while he gives speeches
06:44 <GodTodd> my card bites...i have to reboot into xgl mode in order to run arma
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> tramshed: you ever play any freeciv?
06:44 <GodTodd> or it crashes
06:44 <tramshed> nah
06:44 <tramshed> never been a huge fan of the civilization games
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> even when you get to....
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 35
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #35: "ur not a good writer :P - Ady" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:00 PM, November 13, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 36
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #36: "<Durka> HEY im a n00b" (added by spidey at 08:45 PM, December 07, 2006)
06:45 <tramshed> so far my system has locked up every time ive tried to run vendetta
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 37
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #37: "Out of the whole multitude of prudent men in the world, the great majority are so from timidity. --Clausewitz" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:40 PM, December 09, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 32
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #32: "i2020> sure you can... who told you that, little lukie wookie" (added by spidey at 07:34 PM, November 05, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:37 AM, March 24, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #q
06:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I need to do something to remember the quotes I want to quote
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #quote help
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> #list quote
06:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> #quote search "luke"
06:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 5 found: #20: "ok luci, you'd know better on this one -- luke-jr", #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good", #23: "<spidey> you wanna fuck Luke-Jr ?", #26: "<Lucifer_arma> I want fundamentalism just so I...", and #45: "better an idiot that can admit it than a luke-..."
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 26
06:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #26: "<Lucifer_arma> I want fundamentalism just so I can wipe my ass with luke-jr_'s face" (added by spidey at 05:44 AM, October 25, 2006)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> there we go.  That's why you might want to play freeciv.
06:46 <spidey> FREECIV
06:46 <spidey> omg
06:46 <spidey> i wanna play
06:46 <spidey> :(
06:47 <GodTodd> no freeciv for you!
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> I have to be up kind of early tomorrow
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> and, oh yeah, I'M NOT PLAYING FREECIV ANYMORE!!!
06:47  * spidey ties GodTodd to a tree for the lions to attack
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06:47  * GodTodd is in a "calm before the storm" time.
06:47  * Lucifer_arma should work on eugenics some tomorrow
06:47 <spidey> only thing worse than a annoying chick on the internet
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we should wait until next week, if we're going to play any freeciv, when hopefully godtodd can play
06:48 <spidey> is a annoying chick on the internet that figured out what ts server you use
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> and I'll be in finals, which means nothing for me to do at work
06:48 <GodTodd> M-test review, T-Test 3, W-Final review, R-Final
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: isn't letting luke into your ts server worse?
06:48 <spidey> no
06:48 <spidey> becuase luke doesn't even talk
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> maybe his voice is just too high-pitched for his mic to pick up?
06:48 <spidey> he fucking calls me
06:49 <spidey> and gives the phone to his daughter
06:49 <spidey> WTF
06:49 <luke-jr_work> lol
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> haha
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I used to do that whenever we'd get telemarketers
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'd give the phone to my 3yo daughter
06:49 <GodTodd> more intelligent conversation, spidey?
06:49 <spidey> indeed
06:49 <spidey> atleast she talked back
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: it's luke's daughter, come on!
06:50 <GodTodd> yeah...but i refuse to believe she's *not* more intelligent than he
06:50 <spidey> you know
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I'm down with that, it's just that kids need their brains exercised and developed, and I don't believe luke can do either of those things
06:50 <spidey> his wife even spoke more than he did
06:50 <spidey> which, his wife does sound hot :>
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> did she at least sound hot?
06:50 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: there, we agree :)
06:51 <GodTodd> yeah...she could definitely do better than him...must have been a dark day that caused her to settle :D
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> luke is like my daughter in permanent piss-ant mode
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> she argues with everything, nothing she says makes sense, and anything bad that's ever happened is your fault
06:52 <luke-jr_work> stfu Lucifer_arma u don't know anything so stfu u n00b
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> fortunately, my daughter doesn't go into piss-ant mode very often
06:52 <luke-jr_work> :)
06:52 <GodTodd> awwww...she's growing into a young woman :)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:52 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: lame
06:52 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: lamer
06:52 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: lamest
06:52 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: don't be so hard on yourself
06:53 <luke-jr_work> make me
06:53 <spidey> rofl
06:53 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: i don't make trash i burn it...na na na nanney nanney boo boo
06:53 <spidey> haha
06:53 <GodTodd> :)
06:53 <spidey> i make trash
06:54 <spidey> just look at my garbage can
06:54 <spidey> and then...
06:54 <spidey> i ship it over to luke
06:54 <luke-jr_work> liar
06:54 <GodTodd> or there's always the one that i didn't use because it's probably over his head..."make you? hell no, your parents already made that mistake once!"
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> hey, he'd probably recycle that shit into something useful
06:54 <spidey> lol
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> like, maybe it'd sterilize him
06:55 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: only after I have all 38 kids
06:55 <GodTodd> see...that's what's wrong with society...smart people have < 5 kids and morons have >500
06:55 <GodTodd> it's not fair, i tell ya :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> yep, they're outbreeding us, totally
06:56 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: according to that Darwin idiot, us morons are more fit
06:56 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: so...are you agreeing with him or disagreeing?
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> still, they need to have like 500 kids per couple to keep overall IQ parity
06:56 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: disagreeing, cuz we won't euthenase-or-whatever you when you're old
06:56 <spidey> brothers girlfriend: what kinda stuff does your brother like
06:56 <spidey>  me: porn
06:56 <spidey> brothers girlfriend: porn? no for his birthday
06:56 <spidey> me: ugh....well...he was looking for that dvd anal addicts
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> btw, Darwin never said anything about "survival of the fitter", that was something someone else stuck on there
06:57 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: it's spelled 'euthanize' and wtf did that have to do with breeding?
06:57 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: it has to do with you sticking around longer than you deserve
06:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: you've already done that, though :)
06:58 <luke-jr_work> and I do it every minute
06:58  * Lucifer_arma thinks luke should've watched the Simpsons the other night, when they did a take on the scopes monkey trial
06:58 <luke-jr_work> get used to it
06:58  * luke-jr_work thinks Lucifer_arma is merely assuming he didn't
06:58 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: and you're a moron, get used to it :)
06:59 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: perhaps I am, but the real moron is the one who denies it
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: maybe you should tell luke about Robbie when he brings up right-to-life arguments
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> see what he says then :)
07:00 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: so...you haven't answered....was "Darwin" correct that you morons are "fitter" or was he wrong and you morons are actually weaker because it takes more of you to make a difference?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> if he can handle the story, I mean.  He might have problems with some random dude risking his neck to save some chick he didn't know
07:00 <GodTodd> especially a non catholic
07:00 <GodTodd> :)
07:01 <luke-jr_work> too many of them non catholics
07:01 <GodTodd> i doubt that luke-jr_work would have done the same thing
07:01 <GodTodd> speaks to character pretty loudly
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> especially not after seeing the photos of the outcome.  He'd wuss out for sure.
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07:02 <luke-jr_work> batteries
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...have you seen the ones where his head was caved in...before they put the skull plate in?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, did you see that they're finding in coma patients that they can directly electrically stimulate the brain and get it going somewhat?
07:02 <GodTodd> that was pretty nasty
07:02 <luke-jr_work> I called 911 the other day cuz people were cussing
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I looked at all the photos
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I showed them to my kids, too
07:03 <GodTodd> yeah...i make sure to always use him as an example for tommy
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was following pretty closely for awhile, then karen's dad quit updating the site, and if he's updated it since, I haven't noticed because I quit following when he quit updating (now in an endlessly recursive loop)
07:03 <GodTodd> no...i haven't seen that
07:04 <GodTodd> no....he's been too busy i think
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'll see if I can dig up a link
07:04 <luke-jr_work> ramen sounds good
07:04 <GodTodd> lots of overtime....although it's probably against the universe or something that an atheist makes a living as a life-flight pilot ;)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/16-0&fp=46b6c89936bd1877&ei=1ay2Rtu2LJfiowK33oTdAQ&url=http%3A//www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/78799.php&cid=1118790862&sig2=Bg01zPmss2KwVsdk1XmFDg
07:05 <luke-jr_work> spidey: libogg and libvorbis download GNU FriBidi (needs libthread library!!!) [edit]
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> come right to it, I'd trust the atheist over the christian.  He's less inclined to pray for my life and more inclined to fly me to the hospital :)
07:05 <spidey> luke-jr_work, wtf's this got to do with me?
07:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: haha
07:06 <luke-jr_work> spidey: play
07:06 <luke-jr_work> the google knows of what speak I
07:06 <GodTodd> hrmm....what's his site? www.robbie-grinnell.com i think
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's it
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah...the dash used to throw me :)
07:07 <GodTodd> heh
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> really need to get karen's dad to take the animated gif out of the background so it quits bringing my computer to its knees
07:07 <spidey> play
07:07 <spidey> what
07:07 <spidey> ffs
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah...not sure what got into him to do that
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> he was understandably distressed :)
07:08 <GodTodd> i might try to get him to let me manage it or something
07:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: http://odc.sourceforge.net/images/rmopsmall.gif
07:08 <luke-jr_work> spidey: libogg and libvorbis download GNU FriBidi (needs libthread library!!!) [edit]
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to talk karen at the time into letting me setup something so her dad could just focus on the writing and pictures
07:08 <GodTodd> don't do it! he's trying to get referral money!
07:09 <GodTodd> i wonder if he's just lost interest in it...
07:09 <GodTodd> there's still updates periodically...in his condition i mean
07:10 <GodTodd> hell...they've even got videos now :)
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, at the time, the website was probably exactly what he needed to stop the phone calls.  By now, no doubt, everybody interested has found their own communication channel that isn't a big load on anybody
07:10 <GodTodd> truly
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, when I click for the Jan 2 2004 update, I get a notice about an expired domain :/
07:11 <GodTodd> i should have him buy hosting from luke-jr_work
07:11 <GodTodd> ahhh...maybe it's gone now
07:11 <GodTodd> heh
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> ah, because it points at roadrunner440.net
07:11 <spidey> luke-jr_work, WTF ARE YOU FUCKING TALKING ABOUT?!
07:12 <GodTodd> yeah...that was robbie's business domain
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hungry, I'm going to heat up another piece of chicken
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> "If we're bringing samples back to Earth, we don't want to bring back something like the Andromeda Strain," said Kastner's boss, Cassie Conley, NASA's planetary protection officer in Washington,
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> nice to know NASA's chasing ghosts of science fiction while they're blowing up space shuttles
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> "The foam lining may have busted Columbia's wing, but there was no organic life that shouldn't be there!"
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08:37 <DrJoeTron> hey does anyone know how to delete a phantom monitor
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10:57 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: no, what should it do?
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11:31 <beta_usa> hi
12:16 <spidey> hi
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13:19 <wrtlprnft> lol, i just got an email from someone using hotmal which contained an ad about windows vista. it links to an msn/windows life search for “windows vista”, and the 3rd result is wikipedia, and that result's text is so out of date that it still says “Windows Vista is the name of the upcoming release of Microsoft Windows”
13:19  * wrtlprnft shakes his head at microsoft's stupidity
14:06 <beta_usa> en wikipedia page is up2date
14:11 <noob7> for me wiki is second result and the (german) text seems to be up-to-date as well
14:14 <beta_usa> the french result is too
14:15  * wrtlprnft is talking about the text on the msn search page itself
14:16 <wrtlprnft> and they don't even manage to make their favicon transparent
14:16 <beta_usa> Hm, I can't make live.com search english pages only...
14:17 <beta_usa> I can do it with google, but it's not really usable either.
14:18 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/msnwtf.png
14:19 <beta_usa> Indeed. I wonder what's "Cached page" then...
14:20 <beta_usa> Is it xfce ?
14:21  * beta_usa is surprised that the favicon can be in the WM title bar
14:21 <wrtlprnft> no, kwin
14:21 <beta_usa> Err under KDE ?
14:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah
14:21 <beta_usa> ok
14:21 <wrtlprnft> sorr, i'm happy with KDE
14:21 <wrtlprnft> *sorry
14:21 <wrtlprnft> interestingly the cached page is more up to date
14:22 <beta_usa> Well, do what you want. You don't have to be sorry.
14:22 <beta_usa> I'm not telling it's bad.
14:22 <beta_usa> Anyway that's what's great with free software : choice
14:22 <wrtlprnft> :D
14:23 <beta_usa> "the cached page is more up to date" <= Awesome.
14:23 <beta_usa> I want to work for MS ASAP.
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7320 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: From NEWS:
14:24 <armabot> armagetronad: - Red/Green or Red/Cyan 3D rendering. Activate it by setting CAMERA_EYE_DISTANCE to something != 0.
14:25 <beta_usa> Does that mean that the svn has been updated ?
14:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:26 <wrtlprnft> it means th
14:27 <wrtlprnft> at i committed something
14:27 <beta_usa> Ok, that's what I meant.
14:27 <beta_usa> I'm not fluent in english yet, sorry.
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it's no problem :D
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it's about http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=191141#191141
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14:29 <beta_usa> Ok so you're a dev. Congratz, awesome game.
14:30 <beta_usa> Only thing sad : the memory leak in the ctf mode. Appart that, almost perfect.
14:30 <wrtlprnft> i didn't write a lot of it. The stable version barely contains any code from me
14:31 <wrtlprnft> well, the guy who wrote CTF disappeared
14:31  * beta_usa blames Harry Potter
14:32 <beta_usa> Does that mean that noone is working on the memory leak ?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> i guess yes
14:32  * beta_usa is crying
14:32 <tramshed> I never noticed a memory leak
14:32 <wrtlprnft> ctf has never really been part of arma
14:32 <eddiefantastic> I believe it's the respawning that causes that
14:32 <beta_usa> I don't know at all.
14:33 <wrtlprnft> it's client side, right
14:33 <eddiefantastic> turned off by default since it has a memory leak
14:33 <tramshed> and yeah, ctf is pretty new to tron
14:33 <beta_usa> I'd be glad to help, but I have so many things to do right no, I don't know if i'll be able to do it.
14:34 <beta_usa> (and I have personnal trouble).
14:34 <beta_usa> If I try, i may need your help.
14:34 <tramshed> speaking of which, court in an hour
14:34 <tramshed> hope I dont go back to jail
14:34  * beta_usa too
14:34 <eddiefantastic> good luck tramshed
14:35 <wrtlprnft> i've got things to do right now and will be away for a couple of weeks, but one might try to run arma in valgrind, enable respawn and spawn a huge deathzone
14:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, good luck
14:35 <tramshed> its misdemeanor shit, and they already have me out on a tether bond, so Im going to try and talk them into just leaving me on tether
14:36 <beta_usa> wrtlprnft: ok, I can use valgrind, I just need to learn how to setup a server and how arma is coded and the ctf mod.
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14:38 <tramshed> that was lovely
14:38  * tramshed kicks his laptop in the face
14:39 <tramshed> stupid thing just spewed a bunch of video garbage and turned itself off
14:39 <tramshed> I need a real computer something fierce
14:39 <wrtlprnft> i'm not too familiar with the ctf stuff, but if eddiefantastic's assumption is right you don't even need it to reproduce the leak
14:40 <eddiefantastic> I think there's a complie flag --respawn-on or something
14:40 <beta_usa> You need to reproduce at least to see if it's fixed i guessed (not sure I understood)
14:41 <beta_usa> But you need respawn in ctf you heretic !
14:41 <beta_usa> Respawn off would kill ctf spirit :)
14:42 <wrtlprnft> it's ./configure CXXFLAGS=-DRESPAWN_HACK IIRC
15:05 <beta_usa> bye
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15:17 <epsy> hi
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15:41 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: --enable-respawn or such
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15:43 <epsy> wrtlprnft is back ? O_o
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16:32 <Monkey_arma> i just got a bug while playing fort cafe
16:32 <Monkey_arma> i will show you what it says....
16:32 <epsy> hay Monkey_arma
16:32 <Monkey_arma> hi eps
16:32 <Monkey_arma> version 2.8.2.1 by the way
16:33 <luke-jr> no such version
16:33 <Monkey_arma> Internal Error: Internal error in void tHeapBase::Remove(tHeapElement*) in tools/tHeap.cpp:145 :         Element is not in this heap! (Note: this usually is a followup error when the system fails to recover from another error. When reporting, please also include whatever happened before this.) Please send a Bug report! Aborted
16:33 <epsy> luke-jr, .2.8.2.1 ...
16:33 <Monkey_arma> haha ok 0.2.8.2.1
16:33 <Monkey_arma> in the game i could press escape but no other keys worked
16:34 <Monkey_arma> then it crashed
16:34 <epsy> and...what happened before ?
16:34 <Monkey_arma> i entered the server
16:34  * Monkey_arma is too lazy to put the "0."
16:35 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: huge difference
16:35 <Monkey_arma> well we all know im not playing 2.8.2.1 dont we....
16:35 <Monkey_arma> i have no time machine...
16:35 <luke-jr> how do we know that?
16:36 <Monkey_arma> coz my flux capacitor broke
16:36 <Monkey_arma> ?
16:36 <Monkey_arma> do you need anymore info?
16:36 <Monkey_arma> about the bug i mean
16:41 <epsy> harr the fucking buggy slide
16:45 <Monkey_arma> while we are at it, its not the only bug ive had....ive got screenshots of at least one more....something about netobjects not spawning...
16:45 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/%7Eepsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_155.png
16:47 <Monkey_arma> is that just lag eps or a bug?
16:47 <Monkey_arma> well i will look through my 100 screenshots to find it... :((
16:47 <Monkey_arma> sorry 110
16:47 <Monkey_arma> :(((
16:47 <epsy> that's a server clock sync i think
16:48 <epsy> wow just got it again -_-
16:48 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/%7Eepsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_157.png
16:48 <epsy> he same one
16:48 <epsy> *the
16:50 <Monkey_arma> is there some way to put an image on irc ?
16:51 <epsy> nope
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16:53 <Monkey_arma> hi
16:53 <Monkey_arma> ok i will have to type it then :(
16:54 <P4> share it with us using http://postimage.us/
16:57 <Lackadaisical> hi
16:58 <Monkey_arma> ? exactly how do i use that site....
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16:59 <Monkey_arma> thx but no thx p4..i will just type it.....
16:59 <P4> :}
17:03 <Monkey_arma> BUG:   Warning in nNetObject*  nNetObject::Object(int) in network/nNetObject.cpp:1121 :       Netobject 4962 requested, but was never spawned.
17:03 <Monkey_arma> that is again playing in it seems fort cafe
17:05 <MrBougo> :(
17:05 <Monkey_arma> same error/bug more than once for 4962, 4964, 9192
17:05 <Monkey_arma> yes its fort cafe as someone is shouting "grind 4,8"
17:06 <MrBougo> when you say grind 4,8 it bugs?
17:07 <epsy> yet another
17:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, what's happening ?
17:08 <Monkey_arma> no
17:08 <Monkey_arma> there is random chat either side of the bug
17:08 <Monkey_arma> on that screenshot it only says it once
17:09 <Monkey_arma> on others there is a whole screen of the same message, often with the same number
17:09 <Monkey_arma> its in the middle of play
17:09 <Monkey_arma> and i can see players tails and chat etc as normal
17:09 <epsy> i'm speaking of the weird slides
17:22 <Monkey_arma> if you dont need anymore info then i will go.....anything else before i go?
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18:30 <MrBougo> bye
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19:04  * digitx is away (bye)
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20:17 <epsy> hay MrBougo
20:17 <MrBougo> hoy epso-epsy
20:18 <epsy> O_o
20:18 <MrBougo> bah quoi
20:18 <MrBougo> 'faut bien varier
20:22 <epsy> O_o
20:24 <MrBougo> xD
20:32 <wrtlprnft> again
20:32 <wrtlprnft> someone says "grind 4,8" and it bugs?!
20:32 <ct|kyle>  spawn_zone zombie wrtl kyle
20:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:33 <MrBougo> lol?
20:34 <ct|kyle> heh
20:34 <ct|kyle> read #cyazy-tronners
20:34 <wrtlprnft> so that bug was induced by you?
20:34 <ct|kyle> #crazy-tronners
20:34 <ct|kyle> ya
20:34 <wrtlprnft> 17:03 <Monkey_arma> BUG:   Warning in nNetObject*  nNetObject::Object(int) in network/nNetObject.cpp:1121 :       Netobject 4962 requested, but was never spawned.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> 17:05 <Monkey_arma> same error/bug more than once for 4962, 4964, 9192
20:35 <wrtlprnft> 17:05 <Monkey_arma> yes its fort cafe as someone is shouting "grind 4,8"
20:35 <wrtlprnft> 17:06 <MrBougo> when you say grind 4,8 it bugs?
20:35 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: he didnt answer
20:35 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i made your team shuffle change permanent
20:35 <MrBougo> thought it was that
20:35 <ct|kyle> i'm confused
20:36 <wrtlprnft> noone said anything containing “4,8” in the last 100000 log lines…
20:37 <MrBougo> lol
20:37 <ct|kyle> 4,8
20:37 <MrBougo> not here ct|kyle
20:37 <MrBougo> :p
20:37 <wrtlprnft>  560507 [0] Timestamp: 2007/07/21 23:09:51
20:37 <wrtlprnft>  560526 [6] Bishop: i cant grind 4,8
20:37 <wrtlprnft> that?
20:37 <MrBougo> #last --with 4,8 --nolimit
20:37 <wrtlprnft> it's sort of long ago
20:37 <armabot> MrBougo: [20:40:50] <wrtlprnft>  560526 [6] Bishop: i cant grind 4,8, [20:40:29] <ct|kyle> 4,8, [20:40:01] <wrtlprnft> noone said anything containing “4,8” in the last 100000 log lines…, [20:38:24] <wrtlprnft> 17:06 <MrBougo> when you say grind 4,8 it bugs?, [20:38:24] <wrtlprnft> 17:05 <Monkey_arma> yes its fort cafe as someone is shouting "grind 4,8", [20:35:54] <wrtlprnft> someone says (1 more message)
20:37 <MrBougo> #more
20:37 <armabot> MrBougo: "grind 4,8" and it bugs?!, [17:09:37] <MrBougo> when you say grind 4,8 it bugs?, and [17:09:07] <Monkey_arma> yes its fort cafe as someone is shouting "grind 4,8"
20:38 <MrBougo> ooh! bishop!
20:38 <MrBougo> #seen bishop
20:38 <armabot> MrBougo: I have not seen bishop.
20:38 <MrBougo> #lastseen bishop
20:38 <MrBougo> #help lastseen
20:38 <armabot> MrBougo: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
20:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
20:38 <MrBougo> #lastseen ozo.exe
20:38 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
20:38 <MrBougo> ew
20:40 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: it goes "timed out" a bit too fast, doesnt it?
20:43 <MrBougo> #monologue
20:43 <armabot> MrBougo: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.
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20:45 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: i dunno how to change it
20:46 <MrBougo> oh
20:46 <MrBougo> #search time
20:46 <armabot> MrBougo: supybot.reply.format.time, supybot.reply.format.time.elapsed, supybot.reply.format.time.elapsed.short, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.timestamp, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.filenameTimestamp, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.directories.timestamp, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.directories.timestamp.format, supybot.plugins.Google.state.time, supybot.plugins.Markov.randomSpeaking.throttleTime, (1 more message)
20:46 <MrBougo> #more
20:46 <armabot> MrBougo: supybot.plugins.Misc.timestampFormat, supybot.plugins.Misc.last.nested.includeTimestamp, supybot.plugins.Time, supybot.plugins.Time.public, supybot.plugins.Time.format, supybot.plugins.Vim.autokban.timeout, supybot.databases.users.timeoutIdentification, supybot.protocols.irc.throttleTime, supybot.defaultSocketTimeout, and supybot.log.timestampFormat
20:46 <MrBougo> no clue
20:47 <MrBougo> ack
20:47 <MrBougo> sumpybot doesnt exist
20:53 <epsy> hmpf
20:53 <epsy> #3402 +(563)- [X]
20:53 <epsy> <|sco|t> doesn anyone in here know a good amount of php
20:53 <epsy> <Jumper> |sco|t, the #php guys do ;)
20:53 <epsy> <JibberJim> |sco|t go to #php
20:53 <epsy> <[ric]> and #women is full of women, go figure
20:53 <epsy> <JibberJim> and #teens is full of 40 year old men.
20:53 <epsy> wrtlprnft, you overclock your servers, right ?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> no
20:54  * wrtlprnft is not stupid
20:55 <wrtlprnft> and their clocks go at a reasonable precision
20:55 <wrtlprnft> a couple of seconds per month
20:55 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_157.png
20:55 <epsy> i got that like 5 times today
20:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:56 <epsy> so i don't know what's going on with your clock but it gets synced all the time
20:56 <epsy> and not only 1 time per hour
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20:58 <MrBougo> whats wrong in your screenie epsyµ?
20:59 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_155.png
20:59 <epsy> maybe this is clearer to you ?
20:59 <MrBougo> still no
20:59 <MrBougo> t
20:59 <wrtlprnft> someone could have died there
21:00 <epsy> there would be many someones then
21:00 <MrBougo> i dont get it
21:00 <wrtlprnft> i used to run ntpd, but it's not running right now
21:00 <epsy> stop running ntpd ffs -_-
21:00 <MrBougo> i dont freakin get it!
21:00 <MrBougo> oh now i do
21:00 <epsy> MrBougo, i have like 2 parts of trails there
21:00 <wrtlprnft> it hasn't been running for months!
21:00 <MrBougo> i dont
21:01 <wrtlprnft> root@marvin # ps ax | grep [n]tp                                                                                    /usr/src/linux
21:01 <wrtlprnft> root@marvin 1 #             
21:01 <epsy> then what the fuck is happening ?
21:01 <MrBougo> oh ok its yours epsy
21:01 <epsy> it's my what ?
21:01 <MrBougo> trail
21:01 <epsy> ah
21:01 <MrBougo> thought it was to someone who died
21:01 <MrBougo> for me, trail with no cycle = dead player
21:02 <epsy> ah true...could be
21:02 <MrBougo> did the tail move?
21:03 <epsy> yes i slided there
21:03 <epsy> i'm wondering why these always happen to defenders or sweepers
21:03 <wrtlprnft> i don't make recordings, sorry
21:03 <epsy> eww
21:04 <MrBougo> because attackers die faster
21:04 <epsy> it would be fun if an attacker got slided inside the defender's line
21:04 <wrtlprnft> sort of impossible
21:05 <MrBougo> hehe
21:05 <MrBougo> would be, indeed
21:05 <epsy> it is
21:05 <epsy> i already seen guys going through walls with these slides
21:05 <MrBougo> it'd be just like with the max-charged shot on CTF (not crazy etc) shooting
21:06  * wrtlprnft wishes z-man-work would run his bugfarm fortress server again
21:06 <wrtlprnft> he's the only guy who really understands the engine
21:06 <wrtlprnft> let's just hope he stays away from buses
21:10 <MrBougo> bugfarm fortress
21:10 <MrBougo> aaah
21:10 <MrBougo> such a lovely server
21:11 <MrBougo> aka CVS Test Server
21:11 <MrBougo> where he experimented squeezing
21:11 <MrBougo> it was fun as hell
21:11 <MrBougo> as*
21:11 <MrBougo> err hell is not a good example
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21:16 <MrBougo> hello Lackadaisical
21:17 <MrBougo> took mee too long to write his name
21:18 <MrBougo> i love working at a hypermarket
21:27 <MrBougo> cyas!
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22:04 <wrtlprnft> woot, luke is gone!
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22:24 <O_o> finally a correct irc client which works on everychannel here and there
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23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Just saw the guy that approves my timesheets for the first time in like 6 weeks
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23:39 <epsy> woa
23:39 <epsy> just got a strange time out
23:39 <epsy> i was playing
23:39 <epsy> then my opponent stopped turning
23:39 <epsy> and i was attacking my own zone then
23:39 <epsy> but the ennemy was far away
23:39 <epsy> then i do a screenshot
23:39 <epsy> and nothing comes back
23:40 <epsy> i press the screenshot button another time and i see the next frame
23:40 <epsy> then the server kicks me for timing out
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> quit timing out
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of computer?
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> specifically, is it a kind of machine that would really drag while compressing a png?
23:43 <epsy> O_o
23:44 <epsy> it's the kind of comp which has a good cpu and a shitty gpu
23:44 <epsy> meeh
23:45 <epsy> PING google.com (64.233.187.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
23:45 <epsy> --- google.com ping statistics ---
23:45 <epsy> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3002ms
23:59 <digitx> epsy flooder
23:59 -!- luke-jr is now known as luke-jr|
23:59 <epsy> wanna get more, digitx ?

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