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[2023-11-06 00:23:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've used both Ardour and Muse. Ardour is better in almost every way. It has good docs too. However, it's a bit bulky and you really have to conform to their session file/folder structure for projects. My guess is that this mirrors other Pro DAWs  (logic/cubase/pro-tools/etc). I actually like Muse more even though it's clumsy to use. It is has a couple built-in synthesizers, very <clipped message>
[2023-11-06 00:24:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav|  basic mind you, but good enough for temporary use until you find a plugin to replace the sound. LMMS sucks for the most part unless loopy electronic music is your jam. Really there is no good substitute for a versatile DAW that allows you to use plugins.
[2023-11-06 00:24:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've used both Ardour and Muse. Ardour is better in almost every way. It has good docs too. However, it's a bit bulky and you really have to conform to their session file/folder structure for projects. My guess is that this mirrors other Pro DAWs  (logic/cubase/pro-tools/etc). I actually like Muse more even though it's clumsy to use. It is has a couple built-in synthesizers, very <clipped message>
[2023-11-06 00:24:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav|  basic mind you, but good enough for temporary use until you find a plugin to replace the sound. LMMS sucks for the most part unless loopy electronic music is your jam. Really there is no good substitute for a versatile DAW that allows you to use plugins.
[2023-11-06 00:28:08] <Lucifer_arma> loopy electronic music isn't my jam, but there's enough repetition in the kind of music I make that I can use it.  You know how repetitive metal can be.  But I still need a strong melody, and the ability to do longer movements that aren't repetitive.
[2023-11-06 00:28:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| loopy electronic music isn't my jam, but there's enough repetition in the kind of music I make that I can use it.  You know how repetitive metal can be.  But I still need a strong melody, and the ability to do longer movements that aren't repetitive.
[2023-11-06 00:29:12] <Lucifer_arma> last I heard, Ardour wasn't just the gold standard in Linux, it's entirely competitive with the pro DAWs, even better in some ways.  When I tried it, though, I couldn't get it to do anything useful, but that was probably in '07 or '08.
[2023-11-06 00:29:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| last I heard, Ardour wasn't just the gold standard in Linux, it's entirely competitive with the pro DAWs, even better in some ways.  When I tried it, though, I couldn't get it to do anything useful, but that was probably in '07 or '08.
[2023-11-06 00:30:11] <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't get Muse to do anything, either, but at the time, I was working on the song I did for Crimson Fields, and I ended up using Rosegarden for that.  I didn't enjoy Rosegarden at all, but I was able to use it.
[2023-11-06 00:30:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I couldn't get Muse to do anything, either, but at the time, I was working on the song I did for Crimson Fields, and I ended up using Rosegarden for that.  I didn't enjoy Rosegarden at all, but I was able to use it.
[2023-11-06 00:30:31] <Lucifer_arma> Unfortunately, the last time I tried to use Rosegarden, I couldn't get *it* to do anything either
[2023-11-06 00:30:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Unfortunately, the last time I tried to use Rosegarden, I couldn't get *it* to do anything either
[2023-11-06 00:31:04] <Lucifer_arma> and all I wanted out of it then was to lay out a synth track.  I had a bass I was going ot use for a bass line, and I had hydrogen for drums
[2023-11-06 00:31:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and all I wanted out of it then was to lay out a synth track.  I had a bass I was going ot use for a bass line, and I had hydrogen for drums
[2023-11-06 00:31:51] <Lucifer_arma> Now, I'm looking for something I can lay out synths with, and possibly other instruments, and bass (since I still don't have a bass).  Then I fully intend to use my drumkit for the drum line, augmenting as needed with Hydrogen, and my acoustic guitar for when I need something there
[2023-11-06 00:31:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Now, I'm looking for something I can lay out synths with, and possibly other instruments, and bass (since I still don't have a bass).  Then I fully intend to use my drumkit for the drum line, augmenting as needed with Hydrogen, and my acoustic guitar for when I need something there
[2023-11-06 00:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> I can do anything with the acoustic guitar + effects on the recorded track that I need to except the shred solos I like, but I'm so out of practice I won't be shredding anytime soon anyway
[2023-11-06 00:32:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I can do anything with the acoustic guitar + effects on the recorded track that I need to except the shred solos I like, but I'm so out of practice I won't be shredding anytime soon anyway
[2023-11-06 00:33:22] <Lucifer_arma> but the nice thing about midi and soundfonts is that once you put something together, you can keep playing it in different soundfonts until you get what you want, then render it to an audio track and do anything else with it from there
[2023-11-06 00:33:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but the nice thing about midi and soundfonts is that once you put something together, you can keep playing it in different soundfonts until you get what you want, then render it to an audio track and do anything else with it from there
[2023-11-06 00:34:18] <Lucifer_arma> the only thing I'll be lacking that I really need is a good distorted guitar, but if you know a good effect that can turn an acoustic guitar into a metal distorted guitar, I'm all ears
[2023-11-06 00:34:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the only thing I'll be lacking that I really need is a good distorted guitar, but if you know a good effect that can turn an acoustic guitar into a metal distorted guitar, I'm all ears
[2023-11-06 00:35:13] <Lucifer_arma> basically, the three metal tones I use are very close to Master of Puppets, ...And Justice For all, and Peace Sells, but who's Buying?
[2023-11-06 00:35:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| basically, the three metal tones I use are very close to Master of Puppets, ...And Justice For all, and Peace Sells, but who's Buying?
[2023-11-06 00:35:52] <Lucifer_arma> Horrorscope (Overkill), and I'd really like to get a tone that sounds like King Diamond's Them
[2023-11-06 00:35:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Horrorscope (Overkill), and I'd really like to get a tone that sounds like King Diamond's Them
[2023-11-06 00:37:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've got a pretty healthy selection of soundfonts. If you didn't know, Glen who makes the AV Linux Distro has a ton of resources on his site. You'll notice one of the files in this page is 615MB, and it's the No Budget Orchestra which is j_e_f_f's orchestral soundfont project from the LinuxMusician's forum:
[2023-11-06 00:37:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| http://www.bandshed.net/sounds/sfz/
[2023-11-06 00:37:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've got a pretty healthy selection of soundfonts. If you didn't know, Glen who makes the AV Linux Distro has a ton of resources on his site. You'll notice one of the files in this page is 615MB, and it's the No Budget Orchestra which is j_e_f_f's orchestral soundfont project from the LinuxMusician's forum:
[2023-11-06 00:37:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| http://www.bandshed.net/sounds/sfz/
[2023-11-06 00:38:17] <Lucifer_arma> bookmarked :)
[2023-11-06 00:38:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| bookmarked :)
[2023-11-06 00:38:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I don't know much about metal plugins but I've heard good things about Guitarix
[2023-11-06 00:38:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I don't know much about metal plugins but I've heard good things about Guitarix
[2023-11-06 00:38:26] <Lucifer_arma> I've had a terrible time finding soundfonts
[2023-11-06 00:38:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| https://guitarix.org
[2023-11-06 00:38:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| https://guitarix.org
[2023-11-06 00:38:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've had a terrible time finding soundfonts
[2023-11-06 00:38:46] <Lucifer_arma> that's a preamp/effects package, iirc
[2023-11-06 00:38:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that's a preamp/effects package, iirc
[2023-11-06 00:39:20] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've used it before.  It's nice, actually.
[2023-11-06 00:39:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, I've used it before.  It's nice, actually.
[2023-11-06 00:40:07] <Lucifer_arma> I would gladly build a raspberry pi who's sole purpose was to run that and use it as an effects unit for my guitar
[2023-11-06 00:40:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I would gladly build a raspberry pi who's sole purpose was to run that and use it as an effects unit for my guitar
[2023-11-06 00:40:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Does your acoustic have a pickup?
[2023-11-06 00:40:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Does your acoustic have a pickup?
[2023-11-06 00:40:35] <Lucifer_arma> but you can't take an acoustic guitar and turn it into a distorted guitar.  The tone is wrong, for starters, but there's also too much echo in it.  You wind up with a bunch of noise
[2023-11-06 00:40:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but you can't take an acoustic guitar and turn it into a distorted guitar.  The tone is wrong, for starters, but there's also too much echo in it.  You wind up with a bunch of noise
[2023-11-06 00:41:05] <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't.  An acoustic pickup is usually just a specialized mic stuck in the body somewhere.  I can buy one for it
[2023-11-06 00:41:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, it doesn't.  An acoustic pickup is usually just a specialized mic stuck in the body somewhere.  I can buy one for it
[2023-11-06 00:41:36] <Lucifer_arma> but to put, say, an SD hot rail on it, I'd have to put nickel strings which would bend the neck and sound like crap as an acoustic guitar
[2023-11-06 00:41:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but to put, say, an SD hot rail on it, I'd have to put nickel strings which would bend the neck and sound like crap as an acoustic guitar
[2023-11-06 00:41:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I had an acoustic once and mounted a seymor duncan metal pickup in the sound hole and it worked surprisingly well.
[2023-11-06 00:41:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I had an acoustic once and mounted a seymor duncan metal pickup in the sound hole and it worked surprisingly well.
[2023-11-06 00:42:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| If you want to try that, I might be able to 3D print you a pickup ring that fits your acoustic, heh.
[2023-11-06 00:42:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| If you want to try that, I might be able to 3D print you a pickup ring that fits your acoustic, heh.
[2023-11-06 00:42:37] <Lucifer_arma> if I'm goign to put work into fixing up a guitar, I should put it into the guitar I have.  :)
[2023-11-06 00:42:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I'm goign to put work into fixing up a guitar, I should put it into the guitar I have.  :)
[2023-11-06 00:42:50] <Lucifer_arma> hey, maybe you can help me get my 3d printer working sometime.
[2023-11-06 00:42:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| hey, maybe you can help me get my 3d printer working sometime.
[2023-11-06 00:43:17] <Lucifer_arma> what I need to do with the guitar is take this bondo that I've got, mix it up, and fix all the little damage to it.  Then I just paint it and reassemble it.
[2023-11-06 00:43:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| what I need to do with the guitar is take this bondo that I've got, mix it up, and fix all the little damage to it.  Then I just paint it and reassemble it.
[2023-11-06 00:43:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Maybe. I know surprisingly little about it. I have a Prusa Mini that works so good I never have to do anything.
[2023-11-06 00:43:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Maybe. I know surprisingly little about it. I have a Prusa Mini that works so good I never have to do anything.
[2023-11-06 00:43:30] <Lucifer_arma> I'll need to buy parts again, since I looted it for parts for other guitars over the years
[2023-11-06 00:43:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll need to buy parts again, since I looted it for parts for other guitars over the years
[2023-11-06 00:44:07] <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to get it to print the sample cat that came with it again (just adjust the bed), and then it's work with the slicer I've been having trouble with
[2023-11-06 00:44:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, I need to get it to print the sample cat that came with it again (just adjust the bed), and then it's work with the slicer I've been having trouble with
[2023-11-06 00:44:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Damn, I wish I had more parts to send you. I went in a spree and built like 5 guitars last year out of spare parts until I ran out.
[2023-11-06 00:44:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Damn, I wish I had more parts to send you. I went in a spree and built like 5 guitars last year out of spare parts until I ran out.
[2023-11-06 00:44:43] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to be pretty picky about parts when I put it back together.  I'm going to fill in the hole where the tremolo used to be and put a stationary bridge on it
[2023-11-06 00:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm going to be pretty picky about parts when I put it back together.  I'm going to fill in the hole where the tremolo used to be and put a stationary bridge on it
[2023-11-06 00:44:57] <Lucifer_arma> I want another SD hot rail, because I loved how that sounded
[2023-11-06 00:44:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I want another SD hot rail, because I loved how that sounded
[2023-11-06 00:45:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| nice
[2023-11-06 00:45:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| nice
[2023-11-06 00:45:28] <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably going to make my own bone nut for it, and then I want some quality tuning pegs
[2023-11-06 00:45:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm probably going to make my own bone nut for it, and then I want some quality tuning pegs
[2023-11-06 00:45:55] <Lucifer_arma> this it the exact time management problem you mentioned the other day
[2023-11-06 00:45:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this it the exact time management problem you mentioned the other day
[2023-11-06 00:46:45] <Lucifer_arma> but there's a race on here.  If I find a decent guitar that I can afford before I put this one back together, I'm going to give up on it.  I've had it apart for around 13 years.  It's time to cut it loose as an unfinished project and move on.
[2023-11-06 00:46:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but there's a race on here.  If I find a decent guitar that I can afford before I put this one back together, I'm going to give up on it.  I've had it apart for around 13 years.  It's time to cut it loose as an unfinished project and move on.
[2023-11-06 00:47:04] <Lucifer_arma> The only reason I'm not doing that is because I still don't have a guitar, so as long as it's here and I don't have a guitar, finishing this project is on the table
[2023-11-06 00:47:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The only reason I'm not doing that is because I still don't have a guitar, so as long as it's here and I don't have a guitar, finishing this project is on the table
[2023-11-06 00:47:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah I get it. you have the same problem I do. You ain't got any money but you're super handy so you wind up maximizing what you have, which takes time.
[2023-11-06 00:47:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah I get it. you have the same problem I do. You ain't got any money but you're super handy so you wind up maximizing what you have, which takes time.
[2023-11-06 00:47:55] <Lucifer_arma> yep.  And I have so much on my plate that something's gotta give, sooner or later
[2023-11-06 00:47:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yep.  And I have so much on my plate that something's gotta give, sooner or later
[2023-11-06 00:48:11] <Lucifer_arma> to make matters worse, I'm trying to add playing arma to the mix.  I need my downtime to be more productive.  :)
[2023-11-06 00:48:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| to make matters worse, I'm trying to add playing arma to the mix.  I need my downtime to be more productive.  :)
[2023-11-06 00:49:45] <Lucifer_arma> Starting tomorrow or the next day, I'm going to go back in to the story I just wrote and start revisions.  I'm intending to have it ready to publish before my vacation starts next week.
[2023-11-06 00:49:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Starting tomorrow or the next day, I'm going to go back in to the story I just wrote and start revisions.  I'm intending to have it ready to publish before my vacation starts next week.
[2023-11-06 00:52:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I gotta say, one thing I've started doing is finding ways to combine my interests. Like, I have a story I wanted to write, but then it turned into an opera, and now it's an animated film. I haven't started it yet, but it looks like I might in 2025, haha.
[2023-11-06 00:52:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I gotta say, one thing I've started doing is finding ways to combine my interests. Like, I have a story I wanted to write, but then it turned into an opera, and now it's an animated film. I haven't started it yet, but it looks like I might in 2025, haha.
[2023-11-06 00:52:53] <Lucifer_arma> Don't even get me started on the feature film I'm going to make, as soon as I get around to writing the script
[2023-11-06 00:52:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Don't even get me started on the feature film I'm going to make, as soon as I get around to writing the script
[2023-11-06 00:53:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| lol
[2023-11-06 00:53:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| lol
[2023-11-06 00:53:33] <Lucifer_arma> it's a great concept.  It's an exploration of depression, where I'll tell it as a horror story.  One guy getting stalked by a monster.  Of course, it's the depression monster from my web comic.
[2023-11-06 00:53:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's a great concept.  It's an exploration of depression, where I'll tell it as a horror story.  One guy getting stalked by a monster.  Of course, it's the depression monster from my web comic.
[2023-11-06 00:53:44] <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't have a happy ending
[2023-11-06 00:53:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it doesn't have a happy ending
[2023-11-06 00:54:17] <Lucifer_arma> I can film the whole thing with my phone.  I can use my apartment as the sole setting.  I just need to write the script and start shooting.
[2023-11-06 00:54:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I can film the whole thing with my phone.  I can use my apartment as the sole setting.  I just need to write the script and start shooting.
[2023-11-06 00:54:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| nice
[2023-11-06 00:54:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| nice
[2023-11-06 00:55:01] <Lucifer_arma> if I do get that far, I'll probably tap you for a model, if you think you can make a decent model of the depression monster
[2023-11-06 00:55:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I do get that far, I'll probably tap you for a model, if you think you can make a decent model of the depression monster
[2023-11-06 00:55:39] <Lucifer_arma> as it stands, I'll only need one tentacle for one scene.  The rest, well, you can't show the monster if the monster is really a mental illness
[2023-11-06 00:55:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| as it stands, I'll only need one tentacle for one scene.  The rest, well, you can't show the monster if the monster is really a mental illness
[2023-11-06 00:55:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Hopefully I'll be good enough by the time you get there!
[2023-11-06 00:55:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Hopefully I'll be good enough by the time you get there!
[2023-11-06 00:56:02] <Lucifer_arma> as it stands, you've got until at least 2030
[2023-11-06 00:56:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| as it stands, you've got until at least 2030
[2023-11-06 01:00:28] <Lucifer_arma> but in the climax, he'll actually fight the monster directly, and I have this vision of the tentacle grabbing him and pulling him up and strangling him, and we'll see all that
[2023-11-06 01:00:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but in the climax, he'll actually fight the monster directly, and I have this vision of the tentacle grabbing him and pulling him up and strangling him, and we'll see all that
[2023-11-06 01:01:22] <Lucifer_arma> Then it'll flash and show, for like a second or two, tops, that he wasn't fighting a real monster and he hung himself.  So at no point will it ever show him being suicidal
[2023-11-06 01:01:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Then it'll flash and show, for like a second or two, tops, that he wasn't fighting a real monster and he hung himself.  So at no point will it ever show him being suicidal
[2023-11-06 01:01:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yo spoilers!
[2023-11-06 01:01:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yo spoilers!
[2023-11-06 01:02:01] <Lucifer_arma> the idea being that the standard depiction and stereotype of depression is basically a whiny little bitch who can't cope with the world, but that's not at all what it's like
[2023-11-06 01:02:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the idea being that the standard depiction and stereotype of depression is basically a whiny little bitch who can't cope with the world, but that's not at all what it's like
[2023-11-06 01:02:23] <Lucifer_arma> hehe, the odds of this movie getting made are near 0
[2023-11-06 01:02:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| hehe, the odds of this movie getting made are near 0
[2023-11-06 01:02:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah you're talking to someone who doesn't believe in free will
[2023-11-06 01:02:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah you're talking to someone who doesn't believe in free will
[2023-11-06 01:02:48] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not entirely convinced free will is a thing, either
[2023-11-06 01:02:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm not entirely convinced free will is a thing, either
[2023-11-06 01:03:06] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm also not convinced we live in a deterministic universe
[2023-11-06 01:03:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I'm also not convinced we live in a deterministic universe
[2023-11-06 01:04:08] <Lucifer_arma> but I can ignore all of that, because I'm well versed in compulsive behaviors and the kinds of mental illnesses that cause them, you know, being a recovering alcoholic and all
[2023-11-06 01:04:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I can ignore all of that, because I'm well versed in compulsive behaviors and the kinds of mental illnesses that cause them, you know, being a recovering alcoholic and all
[2023-11-06 01:04:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| exactly
[2023-11-06 01:04:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| exactly
[2023-11-06 01:04:54] <Lucifer_arma> ooo, 139 days sober this time
[2023-11-06 01:04:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ooo, 139 days sober this time
[2023-11-06 01:05:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ⭐
[2023-11-06 01:05:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ⭐
[2023-11-06 01:05:55] <Lucifer_arma> it's different this time, though, because last time the sobriety was laid on top of the end of my marriage and all the crap that goes along with it.  This time, though, there's no drama to deal with while also trying to be sober
[2023-11-06 01:05:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's different this time, though, because last time the sobriety was laid on top of the end of my marriage and all the crap that goes along with it.  This time, though, there's no drama to deal with while also trying to be sober
[2023-11-06 01:06:22] <Lucifer_arma> this is the least chaotic my life has been since, um, 1995
[2023-11-06 01:06:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this is the least chaotic my life has been since, um, 1995
[2023-11-06 01:06:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've tried to explain to friends how much environment plays a factor in overcoming vices.
[2023-11-06 01:06:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've tried to explain to friends how much environment plays a factor in overcoming vices.
[2023-11-06 01:07:37] <Lucifer_arma> it's tricky.  See, the now ex-wife didn't *cause* my alcoholism, exactly, but I'm 99% certain if she wasn't there, it wouldn't have happened
[2023-11-06 01:07:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's tricky.  See, the now ex-wife didn't *cause* my alcoholism, exactly, but I'm 99% certain if she wasn't there, it wouldn't have happened
[2023-11-06 01:07:52] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it depends on what I would have done otherwise, of course, and we don't know what that would've been
[2023-11-06 01:07:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I mean, it depends on what I would have done otherwise, of course, and we don't know what that would've been
[2023-11-06 01:08:33] <Lucifer_arma> but in my first divorce, I dumped 5 gallons of wine I had just finished making because I *knew* if I had that much around, I'd go down that rabbit hole, and I wasn't an alcoholic yet
[2023-11-06 01:08:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but in my first divorce, I dumped 5 gallons of wine I had just finished making because I *knew* if I had that much around, I'd go down that rabbit hole, and I wasn't an alcoholic yet
[2023-11-06 01:08:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I had a friend who wanted to stop smoking, and she did for a while, but then life got really stressful and she wanted to smoke again, and that was causing additional stress. I simply told her to start smoking, and she was surprised since I was the only friend who wasn't filling her with hollow, positive emotion shit. I said, smoke now, then quit later when the time is right.
[2023-11-06 01:08:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I had a friend who wanted to stop smoking, and she did for a while, but then life got really stressful and she wanted to smoke again, and that was causing additional stress. I simply told her to start smoking, and she was surprised since I was the only friend who wasn't filling her with hollow, positive emotion shit. I said, smoke now, then quit later when the time is right.
[2023-11-06 01:09:53] <Lucifer_arma> I'd disagree a bit with that, but that's A Right Thing to do.  Most of my disagreement comes out of all the mindfulness training I've been doing the last 5 years or so
[2023-11-06 01:09:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'd disagree a bit with that, but that's A Right Thing to do.  Most of my disagreement comes out of all the mindfulness training I've been doing the last 5 years or so
[2023-11-06 01:10:30] <Lucifer_arma> but I had a similar choice, not surprisingly.  When I was in rehab, I had an opportunity to quit smoking too.  I chose not to, because if shit hit the fan later and I started smoking, I'd relapse into drinking right away
[2023-11-06 01:10:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I had a similar choice, not surprisingly.  When I was in rehab, I had an opportunity to quit smoking too.  I chose not to, because if shit hit the fan later and I started smoking, I'd relapse into drinking right away
[2023-11-06 01:10:42] <Lucifer_arma> so I chose to keep smoking
[2023-11-06 01:10:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I chose to keep smoking
[2023-11-06 01:11:31] <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, all that "You can do it!"  and "Strength comes from within!" crap doesn't help when your whole body is walking you down to the store to buy the thing and you're not really in control
[2023-11-06 01:11:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but yeah, all that "You can do it!"  and "Strength comes from within!" crap doesn't help when your whole body is walking you down to the store to buy the thing and you're not really in control
[2023-11-06 01:12:11] <Lucifer_arma> my first wife quit when she was pregnant with our first kid, and then started again after the third kid was born when she was in a car accident with the kids in the car
[2023-11-06 01:12:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| my first wife quit when she was pregnant with our first kid, and then started again after the third kid was born when she was in a car accident with the kids in the car
[2023-11-06 01:13:02] <Lucifer_arma> she quit again during our divorce and took Chantex (Chantix?), which basically caused one of those psychotic episodes that it got a reputation for causing, making our divorce much more difficult than necessary
[2023-11-06 01:13:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| she quit again during our divorce and took Chantex (Chantix?), which basically caused one of those psychotic episodes that it got a reputation for causing, making our divorce much more difficult than necessary
[2023-11-06 01:13:52] <Lucifer_arma> but on the subject of environment, I'm starting to think the nature vs nurture argument is a false dilemma
[2023-11-06 01:13:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but on the subject of environment, I'm starting to think the nature vs nurture argument is a false dilemma
[2023-11-06 01:14:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Right. My friend started taking Welbutrin to help stop smoking, but that resulted in a lot of weight gain and some mental problems. Really she should have just kept smoking. 🤷
[2023-11-06 01:14:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Right. My friend started taking Welbutrin to help stop smoking, but that resulted in a lot of weight gain and some mental problems. Really she should have just kept smoking. 🤷
[2023-11-06 01:14:39] <Lucifer_arma> we are the environment, and the environment is us.  You can't separate the two.  It's useful to think about it as two separate influences, but it's not actually separate
[2023-11-06 01:14:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we are the environment, and the environment is us.  You can't separate the two.  It's useful to think about it as two separate influences, but it's not actually separate
[2023-11-06 01:14:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| true and real
[2023-11-06 01:14:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| true and real
[2023-11-06 01:15:27] <Lucifer_arma> but in a vacuum, I wouldn't ever drink again :)
[2023-11-06 01:15:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but in a vacuum, I wouldn't ever drink again :)
[2023-11-06 01:19:39] <Lucifer_arma> drugs don't work on me the way you'd expect.  I'm leary about trying any because of that.  I've taken antidepressants, and they "worked", but I honestly can't say if it was simply placebo
[2023-11-06 01:19:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| drugs don't work on me the way you'd expect.  I'm leary about trying any because of that.  I've taken antidepressants, and they "worked", but I honestly can't say if it was simply placebo
[2023-11-06 01:20:12] <Lucifer_arma> but I wouldn't risk welbutrin for myself, not for something like quitting smoking.
[2023-11-06 01:20:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I wouldn't risk welbutrin for myself, not for something like quitting smoking.
[2023-11-06 01:20:50] <Lucifer_arma> heh, you know what works the best as an antidepressant for me?
[2023-11-06 01:20:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, you know what works the best as an antidepressant for me?
[2023-11-06 01:21:02] <Lucifer_arma> I'll give you a hint: it's in my name here because Lucifer was taken
[2023-11-06 01:21:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll give you a hint: it's in my name here because Lucifer was taken
[2023-11-06 01:21:42] <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about this earlier.  Armagetron had a very strong but indirect role in causing my first divorce, and not in the way you'd normally expect a video game to cause a divorce
[2023-11-06 01:21:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was thinking about this earlier.  Armagetron had a very strong but indirect role in causing my first divorce, and not in the way you'd normally expect a video game to cause a divorce
[2023-11-06 01:21:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| say what
[2023-11-06 01:21:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| say what
[2023-11-06 01:22:23] <Lucifer_arma> I pulled out of a depressive episode back then, and got on pretty solid footing mentally, and when I looked at my life, I realized I hated my marriage, I didn't like my wife at all, and I wanted out
[2023-11-06 01:22:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I pulled out of a depressive episode back then, and got on pretty solid footing mentally, and when I looked at my life, I realized I hated my marriage, I didn't like my wife at all, and I wanted out
[2023-11-06 01:23:09] <Lucifer_arma> it's something about how arma works on my brain.  It's like steroids for brain functions.  I think more clearly when I play it regularly.
[2023-11-06 01:23:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's something about how arma works on my brain.  It's like steroids for brain functions.  I think more clearly when I play it regularly.
[2023-11-06 01:25:01] <Lucifer_arma> Ironically, spending all that time in the fictional world of armagetron made me engage more positively and more thoroughly with the real world, and the knock-on effects persisted for years even when I wasn't playing
[2023-11-06 01:25:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I think I get it. For me arma is a combination of intense concentration and periods of being "in a groove" where you aren't thinking. It's a pretty zen activity. Almost like a meditation session. You can walk away with a different perspective on things.
[2023-11-06 01:25:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I think I get it. For me arma is a combination of intense concentration and periods of being "in a groove" where you aren't thinking. It's a pretty zen activity. Almost like a meditation session. You can walk away with a different perspective on things.
[2023-11-06 01:25:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Ironically, spending all that time in the fictional world of armagetron made me engage more positively and more thoroughly with the real world, and the knock-on effects persisted for years even when I wasn't playing
[2023-11-06 01:25:36] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, very much in the moment kind of thinking.  And your brain gets trained to stay in the moment, so you take that into the rest of your life
[2023-11-06 01:25:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, very much in the moment kind of thinking.  And your brain gets trained to stay in the moment, so you take that into the rest of your life
[2023-11-06 01:27:18] <Lucifer_arma> and the style of play, to be really good at it, it's an assertive style, not really aggressive.  I don't think an FPS would have the same effect at all.
[2023-11-06 01:27:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and the style of play, to be really good at it, it's an assertive style, not really aggressive.  I don't think an FPS would have the same effect at all.
[2023-11-06 01:28:02] <Lucifer_arma> but then there are other effects that aren't so great.  I was riding my motorcycle to work earlier and when I went to speed up, I grinded on the curb and I kept cutting people off
[2023-11-06 01:28:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but then there are other effects that aren't so great.  I was riding my motorcycle to work earlier and when I went to speed up, I grinded on the curb and I kept cutting people off
[2023-11-06 01:28:06] <Lucifer_arma> (that didn't really happen)
[2023-11-06 01:28:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (that didn't really happen)
[2023-11-06 01:28:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha
[2023-11-06 01:28:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha
[2023-11-06 01:29:17] <Lucifer_arma> but I do occasionally do a u-turn where I was I was double-binding
[2023-11-06 01:29:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I do occasionally do a u-turn where I was I was double-binding
[2023-11-06 01:29:33] <Lucifer_arma> *wish I was double-binding
[2023-11-06 01:29:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *wish I was double-binding
[2023-11-06 01:30:07] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I need to take a shower and finish up the evening.  It was nice chatting with you.  It's been awhile.
[2023-11-06 01:30:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I need to take a shower and finish up the evening.  It was nice chatting with you.  It's been awhile.
[2023-11-06 01:34:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| right on man, I'll look you up next time I'm in your area
[2023-11-06 01:34:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| right on man, I'll look you up next time I'm in your area
[2023-11-06 03:06:15] <guru3_> done
[2023-11-06 03:06:15] <armagetronbridge> 02irc:guru3_| done
[2023-11-06 03:10:01] <Lucifer_arma> guru3_: thank you
[2023-11-06 03:10:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| guru3_: thank you
[2023-11-06 03:10:57] <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I could get the old Breakfast in Hell feel back by running it on my database server
[2023-11-06 03:10:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I wonder if I could get the old Breakfast in Hell feel back by running it on my database server
[2023-11-06 03:45:15] <Lucifer_arma> erm, why isn't the map a square anymore?
[2023-11-06 03:45:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| erm, why isn't the map a square anymore?
[2023-11-06 03:57:21] <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I screwed up my own cockpit
[2023-11-06 03:57:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| nvm, I screwed up my own cockpit
[2023-11-06 03:57:48] <Lucifer_arma> ok, breakfast in hell is up.  Nothing is quite "right" right now.  Rubber's wrong.  Now it's a damn high rubber server.  I'll deal with that later.
[2023-11-06 03:57:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, breakfast in hell is up.  Nothing is quite "right" right now.  Rubber's wrong.  Now it's a damn high rubber server.  I'll deal with that later.
[2023-11-06 05:37:55] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:tannermon11| alright sounds good lucifer. it does have lore behind the idea since it was themed off of an existing idea so it would be neat to have a map that could work for the theme also but not sure how that would look
[2023-11-06 05:37:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:tannermon11| alright sounds good lucifer. it does have lore behind the idea since it was themed off of an existing idea so it would be neat to have a map that could work for the theme also but not sure how that would look
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[2023-11-06 11:08:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma you can ping Juest btw
[2023-11-06 11:08:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lucifer_arma you can ping Juest btw
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[2023-11-06 17:48:40] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| Lucifer_arma: theres no specific list of ap vs 0.4 afaik, but there are pages that describe at least a little of what ap has https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Styctap
[2023-11-06 17:48:40] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| Lucifer_arma: theres no specific list of ap vs 0.4 afaik, but there are pages that describe at least a little of what ap has https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Styctap
[2023-11-06 18:00:47] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| but yeah +ap does not support shapepolygons, and 0.4 is missing most of what is needed to make tanner's script work
[2023-11-06 18:00:47] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| but yeah +ap does not support shapepolygons, and 0.4 is missing most of what is needed to make tanner's script work
[2023-11-06 19:01:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh hey nelg, any particular reason you stopped updating the builds on your site?
[2023-11-06 19:01:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh hey nelg, any particular reason you stopped updating the builds on your site?
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[2023-11-06 22:53:36] <Lucifer_arma> @tannermon11: I'm not real sure about it either, since I"m not familiar with that particular lore ;)
[2023-11-06 22:53:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @tannermon11: I'm not real sure about it either, since I"m not familiar with that particular lore ;)
[2023-11-06 23:06:32] <Lucifer_arma> ok, the death zone spawns but doesn't kill the person inside it?
[2023-11-06 23:06:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, the death zone spawns but doesn't kill the person inside it?
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