Log from 2006-07-02:
--- Day changed Sun Jul 02 2006
00:00 <Vanhayes> AW is about to win vs SP
00:00 <Vanhayes> AW is about to win vs SP
00:00 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, join now
00:00 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, u there?
00:00 <madmax|pt> yes
00:01 <Vanhayes> sorry man I thought it was best 3 out of 5 not 2 out of 3
00:01 <Mkbkd> and WS vs LOL is going
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> SL is former fe? what's SL stand for?
00:01 <madmax|pt> this sucks
00:01 <Vanhayes> shadow legue
00:01 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, u play next match
00:01 <Mkbkd> shadow legion ~_~
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> so they're not Formerly Elite anymore?
00:01 <Mkbkd> haha
00:02 <Vanhayes> #fe
00:02 <Mkbkd> nope we is
00:02 <armabot> Fortress ...err... Something
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> isn't fe still around though? I've seen fe-sky recently...
00:02 <Mkbkd> hmm 2020 t room server down
00:02 <Vanhayes> it isnt dedicated so he hosts it
00:02 <Mkbkd> now his SL (sKy)
00:03 <Vanhayes> SL beat LOD right?
00:03 <Mkbkd> yup
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> must be a recent thing, then. Probably got tired of being called Formerly Elite
00:03 <Mkbkd> <_<
00:05 <Vanhayes> who are you Mkbkd?
00:05 * Lucifer_arma is tempted to start up a Fortress Egalitarian clan now
00:05 <Vanhayes> lol
00:05 <madmax|pt> Zop just said to me "who knows maybe AW won cause you weren't here :)"
00:05 <madmax|pt> this is really cool
00:06 <Mkbkd> ohh forget its me Ossi !)
00:06 <Vanhayes> heh Hey ossi
00:11 <Mkbkd> brb new match
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00:13 <Mkbkd> bwahahah SL vs Aw !)
00:13 <Mkbkd> and AW need players =_
00:13 <Mkbkd> =_=
00:14 <Mkbkd> !rules
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00:14 <Mkbkd> !help
00:14 <Mkbkd> !how2sweem
00:14 <Mkbkd> =-=
00:15 <Lackadaisical> wasn't it called Forfeit Elite?
00:15 <Mkbkd> #babel fish> forfeit
00:15 * Mkbkd dont speek english =_=
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00:16 <Mkbkd> ohh !)
00:17 <Vanhayes> spidey, DiD wa alread play there match?
00:18 <Vanhayes> spidey, Did WS alread play there match? i mean
00:18 <Mkbkd> hmm some WS still on bugferm
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00:31 * Lucifer_arma is chuckling about "Forfeit Elite"
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00:34 <Vanhayes> your gonna have to come up with something for SL now
00:35 <Mkbkd> #google free english lessons 4 noobz
00:35 <armabot> Mkbkd: Search took 0.50 seconds: Geek.com Geek News - Compaq now offering DDR: <http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001feb/chi20010222004464.htm>; The OFFICIAL Pure Pwnage forums > List of Free MMORPGs: <http://www.purepwnage.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15826.html>; Free Image and Video Hosting - Photo Image Hosting Site ...: <http://photobucket.com/>; 06S62!!: March 2006: (2 more messages)
00:35 <Mkbkd> ehh
00:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening everyone
00:36 <Mkbkd> already >_>
00:37 <Mkbkd> #time Moscow
00:37 <armabot> Mkbkd: Moscow
00:37 <Mkbkd> hmm
00:37 <Vanhayes> evening
00:38 <Vanhayes> #help time
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used.
00:38 <Mkbkd> ty =_=
00:38 <Vanhayes> lol
00:38 <Vanhayes> #time minutes
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: minutes
00:38 <Vanhayes> er
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00:39 <Vanhayes> wb madmax|pt
00:39 <madmax|pt> ty
00:39 <joda_bot> #time GMT
00:39 <armabot> joda_bot: GMT
00:39 <joda_bot> :-)
00:39 <Vanhayes> lol
00:39 <Vanhayes> #time
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: 05:40 PM, July 01, 2006
00:40 <Vanhayes> lol
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's july 2 here
00:40 <joda_bot> #time HH:MM:SS DD.MM.YYYY
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0:40
00:40 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: 'DD.MM.YYYY' is not a valid floating point number.
00:40 <joda_bot> #time HH:MM:SS
00:40 <armabot> joda_bot: HH:MM:SS
00:40 <joda_bot> ropfl
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> %H
00:40 <Vanhayes> it is only 2 hours slow for me
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #time %H:%M:%S
00:41 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 17:41:21
00:41 <joda_bot> % ?
00:41 <joda_bot> hmmm ;)
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ^^
00:41 <joda_bot> the timezone is still of for me ;)
00:41 <Vanhayes> #time %s
00:41 <Vanhayes> #time %S
00:41 <Vanhayes> bah
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1151793713
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: 53
00:41 <madmax|pt> lol
00:41 <Vanhayes> wo
00:41 <joda_bot> #time %H:%M:%S %D.%M.%Y
00:41 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: '%D.%M.%Y' is not a valid floating point number.
00:42 <Vanhayes> #time %y
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 06
00:42 <Vanhayes> #time %Y
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 2006
00:42 <Vanhayes> heh
00:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #time %H:%M:%S-%D.%M.%Y
00:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 17:42:28-07/01/06.42.2006
00:42 * spidey is very happy
00:42 <spidey> xD
00:42 <madmax|pt> your operative systems don't have a clock? :P
00:42 <Vanhayes> WS won?
00:42 <spidey> now i have to piss after that match
00:42 <spidey> yea
00:42 <spidey> sbrb
00:42 <Vanhayes> congrats
00:42 <madmax|pt> against who?
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %DD
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 07/01/06D
00:42 <Vanhayes> LOL
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %D
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 07/01/06
00:42 <Vanhayes> thats the team
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %d
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 01
00:43 <joda_bot> #time %d 1212
00:43 <armabot> joda_bot: 31
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> joda_bot: did you know you can /msg the bot?
00:43 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, go to z-man's ladle fort for next match
00:43 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: sure ;)
00:43 <joda_bot> just spamming around ;)
00:43 <madmax|pt> Van, you play
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
00:43 <Vanhayes> you arnt gonna?
00:43 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: you should not listen to zop :-)
00:44 <madmax|pt> no
00:44 <madmax|pt> you play
00:44 <Vanhayes> well we can both play
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: not me, Lackadaisical's the one that comes up with the cool meanings for fe :)
00:44 <Vanhayes> lol
00:44 <madmax|pt> i lost my appetite
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical is in charge of kicking ass and coming up with words for Fe that reflect reality
00:45 <madmax|pt> lol
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> as it is now 00:45 here...
00:45 * [Xpert]DarkStar is going to sleep
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you too
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and all others as well
00:45 <Vanhayes> night
00:46 <madmax|pt> bye
00:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:46 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
00:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye everyone
00:48 <spidey> mm
00:48 <spidey> we might win the CT match by forfeit O_o
00:49 <z-man> I'm letting this PC upload the builds of 0.3.0 to SourceForge. Anyone who cares and wishes can make a file release off them.
00:50 <z-man> I'll do it myself eventually, but not within the next 10 hours.
00:50 <z-man> If Brooky comes back, tell him it's a bad idea to /msg someone if you just want help :)
00:51 <z-man> #night
00:51 <armabot> Good night z-man!
00:51 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: they're one short now
00:51 * Lucifer_arma thinks he'll make the release on sourceforge, we can always hide it later if we want to go back on it there
00:52 <madmax|pt> please enter the game Lack
00:52 <Lackadaisical> Nii isnt playing
00:52 <Lackadaisical> like last match
00:53 <z-man> Ok, look at what file went where in the 0.2.8.2 release and do it the same way again :) Warning, SF File Releases are a true pain.
00:53 <madmax|pt> now Durka is playing for AW?
00:53 <z-man> Don't forget to set the correct file types. One by one. With a huge page rebuilding every time.
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00:54 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, I dont know
00:54 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, are u playing?
00:54 <madmax|pt> no
00:54 <Vanhayes> why not?
00:54 <madmax|pt> like i said, i lost my appetite
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00:54 <Lackadaisical> :(
00:54 <madmax|pt> wasnt Durka in LOL?
00:55 <Lackadaisical> yes]
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> lost your appetite? what happened?
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: yeah, I know that'll suck :)
00:56 * Lucifer_arma has done sourceforge file releases before, and they suck ass
00:57 <joda_bot> #night
00:57 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:57 <joda_bot> ;)
00:57 <joda_bot> And may the best team win the laddle
00:57 <Lackadaisical> gnight
00:57 <madmax|pt> cya joda
00:58 <joda_bot> good luck lack , madmax|pt ;) you'll win (at least some points ;))
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01:00 <madmax|pt> does anyone know a musical group called Boozoo Bajou?
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01:04 <madmax|pt> guess im really the only one huh
01:04 <Lackadaisical> heh no i dont know it
01:05 <Lackadaisical> sure you dont want to play?
01:05 <madmax|pt> i'm sure
01:05 <Lackadaisical> k
01:09 <spidey> lack
01:09 <spidey> you on a ladle team?
01:11 <Vanhayes> AW
01:11 <Vanhayes> match about to start
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01:23 <Vanhayes_> ##
01:23 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? || A: Take away his credit cards.
01:24 <Vanhayes_> Lackadaisical, server is full
01:24 <Vanhayes_> I cant get back in :(
01:24 <spidey> mmm
01:24 <spidey> slucis server just bugged the fuck out
01:25 <Vanhayes_> try /players
01:25 <Vanhayes_> he cheats
01:25 <spidey> i don't mean some minor bug,i mean major O_o
01:25 <Vanhayes_> try .players
01:25 <Vanhayes_> er /*
01:25 <spidey> yea/
01:25 <spidey> ?
01:26 <Vanhayes_> it will tell u if he is logged in
01:26 <spidey> he is
01:26 <spidey> man
01:26 <spidey> 3 axis owns
01:27 <Vanhayes_> get a SS of him logged in
01:29 <madmax|pt> did CT show up?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> who? what?
01:29 <madmax|pt> o_O
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01:36 <Vanhayes__> spidey, are they still ogged in?
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01:38 <Lucifer_arma> still logged in where? is this on my server?
01:38 <spidey> ?
01:38 <_Vanhayes_> on Ady lucifer
01:39 <spidey> no
01:39 <spidey> we had to logout and login
01:39 <spidey> and ct hasn't been found yet
01:39 <madmax|pt> i think Lucifer is stressed
01:39 <spidey> WS) Manta says:
01:39 <spidey> ok looks like CT has officaly droped out of the lades, acording to xevi
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01:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:40 <madmax|pt> Van, are collecting nick here?
01:40 <madmax|pt> *are you
01:40 <madmax|pt> *nicks
01:40 <madmax|pt> lol
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01:41 <madmax|pt> which Vanhayes should i talk to?
01:41 <Vanhayes> this one
01:41 <spidey> mmm
01:41 <Vanhayes> wo
01:42 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical, the server is full again
01:42 <spidey> looks lie
01:42 <spidey> we're playing aw O_o
01:42 <Lackadaisical> ok
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01:45 <[1]Vanhayes> ##
01:45 <armabot> Random Fortune: 6 oz. orange juice || 1 oz. vodka || 1/2 oz. Galliano || Harvey Wallbangers
01:45 <[1]Vanhayes> this is gettinf insane
01:46 <madmax|pt> that must be a record
01:46 <madmax|pt> :D
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01:53 <flea> lol is obliv here
01:54 <Vanhayes_> AW lost
01:54 <Vanhayes_> hmm
01:54 <madmax|pt> some big ping timeouts on freenode
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01:55 <Vanhayes> heh
01:55 <spidey> :p
01:55 <Vanhayes> rcant do anything bout the others
01:55 <Mkbkd> awawawawawaw
01:55 <Lackadaisical> aw aw aw we lost
01:55 <Vanhayes> man I only played about 1 match out of the 3
01:56 <Vanhayes> I could have at least got 1 kil :(
01:56 <spidey> bbl,
01:56 * Mkbkd need change pants
01:56 <Lackadaisical> heh yeah
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01:56 <Vanhayes> heh
01:56 <Vanhayes> 1 down
01:57 <Lackadaisical> i cant believe fe is actually gonna win the ladle
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01:58 <Mkbkd> i dont believe it 2 )
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01:59 <Vanhayes_> Bah
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01:59 <Mkbkd> how many vans left ?)
01:59 <Vanhayes> only 1
01:59 <Lackadaisical> 1 more
02:00 <Vanhayes> other than me
02:00 <Mkbkd> clone it )
02:00 * Vanhayes pokes [1]Vanhayes
02:00 <Lackadaisical> hayes are you still interested in high level regular matches?
02:04 <Vanhayes> yes I am
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02:09 <Lackadaisical> because i made a password protected pbwiki but i'm not so sure if we should use it
02:09 <Lackadaisical> and we could just pass the url and pass around
02:09 <Vanhayes> hmm we should find out who is interested
02:09 <Vanhayes> yes
02:09 <Lackadaisical> i know max is
02:09 <Vanhayes> I am surprised how well this tourney has gone
02:09 <Lackadaisical> yeah me too
02:10 <Lackadaisical> there werent too many teams luckily
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02:17 <Vanhayes> grrrr
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> wait, there's an Ady Lucifer server now?
02:18 * Lucifer_arma wonders why madmax|pt says he's stressed
02:18 <Vanhayes> yes, it is the LOD server
02:18 <Vanhayes> he runs it I think
02:18 <madmax|pt> lol
02:19 <madmax|pt> Lucifer_arma maybe cause of this? -> "who? what? still logged in where? is this on my server?"
02:21 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:21 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
02:21 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
02:22 <Vanhayes> #google Mcspiddles
02:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.26 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
02:23 <Lackadaisical> yay that page doesnt say i'm stupid anymore
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02:25 <Vanhayes> ##
02:25 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota? || A: Open other end.
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, madmax|pt, if you were following what was said, spidey said something really bad happened on my server, then started talking to vanhayes about getting a screenshot of someone being logged in as spectator
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> who was doing something mean
02:29 <Vanhayes> hmm I thought spidey said it was on LOD server
02:30 <madmax|pt> i thought that too....
02:30 <Lackadaisical> spidey> slucis server just bugged the fuck out
02:30 <Vanhayes> ady luci
02:31 <Vanhayes> it was a ladle match between LOD(ady-Lucifer's clan) and WS
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> wait, there's an Ady Lucifer server now?
02:31 <Vanhayes> was I kicked from here today?
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> yes, for spamming guru3
02:31 <Vanhayes> ?
02:31 <Vanhayes> when did I do that?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> Poor Lucifer_arma, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 26 times.
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> For example, like this:
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> * Lucifer_arma smacks Lucifer_arma
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> probably sometime you hit #spam and laughed abut some random person getting it, and the random person was guru3 :)
02:32 <Vanhayes> or maybe it was when I hit #g
02:32 <Vanhayes> that spammed people too
02:33 <Vanhayes> so does a few other alias'
02:33 * Lucifer_arma considers disabling the alias plugin
02:33 <Vanhayes> #help g
02:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*] -- [spam]".
02:33 <Vanhayes> pretty sure that is what happened
02:34 <Vanhayes> #alias add g echo [google calc $*]
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
02:34 <Vanhayes> #g 4+4
02:34 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:34 <Vanhayes> ...
02:34 <Vanhayes> #g 484
02:34 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:34 <Vanhayes> er
02:35 <Vanhayes> #g 10*10
02:35 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #help g
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.".
02:40 <Mkbkd> ok we won it BWAHAHA
02:41 <Lackadaisical> #g the answer to life, the universe and everything
02:41 <spidey> O_o
02:41 <armabot> the answer to life, the universe and everything = 42
02:41 <spidey> we lost
02:41 <spidey> but made the finals xD
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02:42 <Mkbkd> 42
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02:42 <Mkbkd> hmm or 36 =_=
02:42 <Lackadaisical> 42!
02:42 <Lackadaisical> google doesnt lie
02:43 <Mkbkd> #g how many ppl live
02:43 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:43 <Mkbkd> <_<
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight Mkbkd Vanhayes
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: 700, Mkbkd: 85
02:44 <Vanhayes> ...
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight Mkbkd Lackadaisical
02:44 <Mkbkd> T+T
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lackadaisical: 1080000, Mkbkd: 85
02:44 <Mkbkd> T_T
02:44 <Vanhayes> wo
02:44 <madmax|pt> fight with meeee
02:44 * Mkbkd CRY
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight madmax|pt Lackadaisical
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt: 528000000, Lackadaisical: 1080000
02:44 <Mkbkd> OMG
02:44 <Vanhayes> ahaha
02:44 <madmax|pt> eheheh
02:45 <Mkbkd> #google fight z-man armabot
02:45 <Mkbkd> bwahaha
02:45 <armabot> Mkbkd: z-man: 3070000, armabot: 951
02:45 <Vanhayes> heh
02:46 <Vanhayes> #google armabot
02:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.50 seconds: Knights IRC - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Knights_IRC>; IRC Channel - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/IRC_Channel>; wrtlprnft - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/wrtlprnft>; Blogger: User Profile: DarkTemplar~AoA Blogger Push -Button ...: <http://www.blogger.com/profile/4272582>; (2 more messages)
02:47 <Lackadaisical> cia?
02:47 <Mkbkd> #google fight God Satan
02:47 <armabot> Mkbkd: God: 674000000, Satan: 42400000
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> The end of time is reached around the year 8000, by which time we expect Qt to be obsolete.
02:47 <Lackadaisical> #google fight good evil
02:47 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:47 <Mkbkd> haha
02:47 <madmax|pt> the "too many results" issue?
02:48 <Lackadaisical> i guess..
02:48 <Mkbkd> #help
02:48 <armabot> Mkbkd: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
02:51 <madmax|pt> #google fight fraunhofer lame
02:51 <armabot> madmax|pt: lame: 71400000, fraunhofer: 28800000
02:52 <madmax|pt> is it possible to search more than one word on each?
02:52 <spidey> yea
02:53 <madmax|pt> oh nvm
02:53 <madmax|pt> just pvt the bot
02:53 <madmax|pt> :D
02:53 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, um what?
02:53 <spidey> lol
02:53 <madmax|pt> lame encoder wins
02:53 <madmax|pt> lol
02:53 <Mkbkd> #google fight mp3 ogg
02:53 <armabot> Mkbkd: mp3: 1170000000, ogg: 39400000
02:53 <Mkbkd> nowai
02:54 <Lackadaisical> wai
02:54 <Mkbkd> dontwont ><
02:54 <madmax|pt> #google fight mov wmv
02:54 <Mkbkd> ape Rox
02:54 <armabot> madmax|pt: wmv: 46400000, mov: 39100000
02:54 <Lackadaisical> close one
02:54 <Mkbkd> dontwont ><
02:54 <Mkbkd> wops
02:55 <madmax|pt> it sucks not being able to open the last wmv version in VLC =/
02:55 <Lackadaisical> #google fight buy download
02:55 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:56 <Mkbkd> #google fight birth death
02:56 <madmax|pt> #google fight armagetron gltron
02:56 <armabot> Mkbkd: death: 945000000, birth: 469000000
02:56 <armabot> madmax|pt: armagetron: 285000, gltron: 169000
02:56 <madmax|pt> pwn
02:56 <madmax|pt> lol
02:56 <Mkbkd> #google fight pwn own
02:56 <armabot> Mkbkd: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:56 <spidey> max > you're gonna die
02:56 <madmax|pt> erm
02:56 <madmax|pt> i am?
02:56 <spidey> yea
02:57 <madmax|pt> well, ok
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02:59 <madmax|pt> #google fight irc messenger
02:59 <armabot> madmax|pt: messenger: 383000000, irc: 197000000
02:59 <Vanhayes_> #google fight me you
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes_: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
03:00 <Vanhayes_> #ping
03:00 <armabot> pong
03:03 <Vanhayes_> #ping
03:03 <armabot> pong
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03:09 <cusco> dudes
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03:09 <cusco> I was just playing as root
03:09 <cusco> LOL
03:09 <cusco> :/
03:10 <cusco> didn't notice that
03:10 <cusco> only after the control
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03:12 <Lackadaisical> im gonna play leeroy now.. if anyone wants to watch me getting owned
03:12 <madmax|pt> cool
03:12 <madmax|pt> err.. not the own part
03:12 <madmax|pt> prolly a good match :)
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03:19 <luke-jr_> spidey: if Addon Domains worked, it might
03:20 <luke-jr_> #later tell philippeqc you forget the bit that fields will need to have 3D positions, including rotation, in the visual perspective
03:20 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
03:21 <luke-jr_> #later tell philippeqc I'm thinking particularly that we already have rendering issues with transparency
03:21 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
03:22 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sphere is a good idea-- logically implemented simply with speed multipliers and then rendering is left over
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03:29 <Lackadaisical> pfff
03:29 <Lackadaisical> i was twitching so much
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03:30 <madmax|pt> happens
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04:00 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> The end of time is reached around the year 8000, by which time we expect Qt to be obsolete. <--- from the Qt documentation
04:01 <madmax|pt> Qt?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> gui widget library, cross-platform, used by KDE
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> it provides native widgets on WIndows and Mac OS X and Motif, but it's own generic implementation under X11, and it's very pretty
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm using it to write my checkbook program, and naturally I need to use the date class, and that statement was in there to tell you the range available to the date class
04:03 <madmax|pt> I guess you'll have to use another one in 8000 then
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05:30 <Vanhayes> #night
05:30 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:05 <[NP]Tangent> heh
06:06 <[NP]Tangent> so I started actually playing aa again today
06:06 <[NP]Tangent> it was a goodd day
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
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06:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I've got pretty dialogs with backtraces instead of having to go to the terminal for them :)
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> yay, I've tricked out my bzflag map anymore
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> boo, nobody's on my server to play it with me
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> damn lasermania kids
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07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning everyone
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
07:45 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: I'm not going to say, "I told you so."
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> morning dorkstar
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2 << doing this ^^
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
08:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: The command "fortune" is available in the Alias and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "fortune".
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #unix fortune
08:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: It seems the configured fortune command was not available.
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:07 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota? || A: Open other end.
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:07 <armabot> Random Fortune: It is much harder to find a job than to keep one.
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #348: || We're on Token Ring, and it looks like the token got loose.
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune: HOST SYSTEM NOT RESPONDING, PROBABLY DOWN. DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? (Y/N)
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #86: || Runt packets
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune: FORD Tell me Arthur... || ARTHUR Yes? || FORD This boulder we're stuck under, how big would you || say it was? Roughly? || ARTHUR Oh, about the size of Coventry Cathedral. || FORD Do you think we could move it? (Arthur doesn't || reply) Just asking. || - Ford and Arthur in a tricky situation, Fit the Eighth.
08:34 <[NP]Tangent> #alias fortune
08:34 <armabot> Random Fortune: "`You'd better be prepared for the jump into hyperspace. || It's unpleasently like being drunk.' || `What's so unpleasent about being drunk?' || `You ask a glass of water.'" || - Arthur getting ready for his first jump into hyperspace.
08:35 <[NP]Tangent> #uptime
08:35 <armabot> spidey: 08:35:04 up 71 days, 8:38, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
08:35 <[NP]Tangent> heh
08:35 <[NP]Tangent> 00:35:20 up 1 day, 1:16, 2 users, load average: 0.73, 1.43, 1.44
09:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 09:23:42 up 1 day, 12:36, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: heh, I've been working on my budget program all day, didn't get to the release yet. I guess you noticed... ;)
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10:07 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hola
10:07 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #hello
10:07 <armabot> Hello CraYSuPeRcOm :)
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #eightball
10:08 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: Unlikely.
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> anyone out there in the world today
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news
10:08 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
10:09 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #9
10:09 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news 9
10:09 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: bug (Subject: "testbug", added by 3 on 04:14 PM, June 23, 2006)
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10:27 <joda_bot> #morning
10:27 <armabot> Good Morning joda_bot Random Fortune: QOTD: || "I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent."
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11:28 <philippeqc> hi
11:28 <philippeqc> z-man, do you know of any change in the core engine that would have occured between 0.2.8.2 and now?
11:29 <philippeqc> I made a special map, wich work fine one 0.3+, but crashes 0.2.8.2
11:29 <philippeqc> I wanted to know how much I should investigate this problem.
11:30 <z-man> philippeqc: I don't know about any changes of significance.
11:30 <z-man> if you send me the map, I can investigate the crash.
11:30 <philippeqc> MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-0.0.1.aamap.xml
11:31 <philippeqc> just load it in 0.2.8.2 with 1 bot, and let it all drive. it will reach an error about halfway between the start position and the wall they face
11:31 <philippeqc> I guess it is because only a big triangle space is properly defined, and it start in the bounding box holding the triangle
11:35 <z-man> I'd rather blame the bizarre axes :)
11:35 <z-man> There were a couple of bugs in 0.2.8.2 that make AIs not work with axies where you try to turn left, but really turn right.
11:36 <z-man> And even without AIs, network syncing won't work properly.
11:37 <philippeqc> I'm trying a new map with a small wall in the corner 0,0
11:37 <philippeqc> I'll also try with regular axes
11:42 <philippeqc> it seems to be axes related
11:42 <philippeqc> and IIRC, you fixed some things for axes since 0.2.8.2
11:43 <z-man> You could try to get the same effect by having two axes defined as you want, and the rest of them (really many) going chico-style around so they're essentially useless.
11:43 <z-man> 0.2.8.2 should get along with that.
11:44 <philippeqc> its a concept map, its not really interesting past the "here is something that can be done" factor.
11:44 <z-man> Ah.
11:44 <wrtlprnft> #morning
11:44 <philippeqc> i wanted to show it up to ed to give him idea, but I only tested it on 0.3 before, and he only has 0.2.8.2 which crashed. Though I should investigate
11:44 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: That should probably be written: || no !@#$%^&*:@!semicolon || -- Larry Wall in <199710161841.LAA13208@wall.org>
11:45 <philippeqc> moring
11:45 <wrtlprnft> i fixed some AI crash with all custom axes a while ago
11:46 <wrtlprnft> "fixed", I don't understand the AI code, but I prevented a 0- deref somewhere
11:46 <philippeqc> in which version? past 0.2.8.2 or before?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that was long ago, but i think i did it in the trunk
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that was somewhere short before 0.2.8.0 methinks
11:47 <philippeqc> k, so it would be fixed there and not in 0.2.8.x
11:47 <wrtlprnft> try disabling AIs?
11:48 <philippeqc> i know this map works in 0.3, but crashes 0.2.8.2
11:48 <philippeqc> in the ai code
11:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm
11:48 <wrtlprnft> lemme find the fix
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --with svn.source
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:34:01] <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8.2/armagetronad ed
11:50 <wrtlprnft> gah
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --with viewcvs
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [10:06:29] <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php?r1=5545&r2=5544&pathrev=5545
11:51 <wrtlprnft> #last --from luke-jr_ --with viewcvs
11:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [09:55:53] <luke-jr_> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=777&view=rev
11:52 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=4182&view=rev
11:52 <wrtlprnft> that's the one
11:52 <philippeqc> wrtl: yesterdays' problem was nvidia drivers related. I updated some packages and needed to re-install them.
11:52 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:54 <philippeqc> Nice
11:54 <philippeqc> should we consider this prob as closed?
11:55 <wrtlprnft> which one? the nvidia one or the AI crash one
11:55 <philippeqc> and let weird axis maps be a feature of 0.3
11:55 <philippeqc> not nvidia, AI
11:55 <wrtlprnft> if the crash still happens on 0.2.8 backport the fix
11:56 <wrtlprnft> it should never crash because of axes
11:56 <philippeqc> I made a concept map, show it to ed, it crashed his version (0.2.8.2)
11:56 <wrtlprnft> uh
11:56 <wrtlprnft> if it's the AI crash it won't crash the client if the server runs a fixed version
11:56 <philippeqc> the map isnt really worth it. It is just a concept one.
11:57 <wrtlprnft> it's a crash, the crash should be fixed
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that was one of the first days i had CVS access, i didn't know i was supposed to fix it on the trunk
11:57 <wrtlprnft> err
11:57 <wrtlprnft> didn't know i was supposed to fix it in the branch
11:58 <philippeqc> lol, wrtlprnft I really dont see it as a problem
11:59 <philippeqc> 0.2.8.2 works fine without any AI.
11:59 <wrtlprnft> then it's probably that crash
12:00 <philippeqc> it is, I followed the segfault ;)
12:00 <philippeqc> (sorry, forgot to mention that)
12:10 <philippeqc> How does one search the commit messages in svn? I'm trying to figure where did z-man fix some of the network message for the axes (I guess it must be trunk)
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5559 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gAIBase.cpp:
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Backported crashfix, sorry for any merge conflicts this might cause.
12:10 <joda_bot> philippeqc: if you followed it add a bug report to source forge and perhaps add a //TODO Fix fix bug x ?
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: r4182 | wrtlprnft | 2006-03-18 17:29:08 +0100 (Sat, 18 Mar 2006) | 3 lines
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed a segfault that occured with custom axes and AIs.
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: this is not an optimal solution, but it's better than a crash (the AIs might be more stupid than usual, but I didn't notice anything)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: svn log src/tron/gAIBase.cpp | gvim - ;)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> and then i searched for wrtlprnft to find my (few) changes for that file
12:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: that will search for the AI bug, not the fix for the network messages z-man might (or not, I'm not sure) have done
12:12 <philippeqc> joda_bot: not sure I understand you.
12:12 <wrtlprnft> then say svn log | gvim -
12:13 <wrtlprnft> and then search for something like "network mess"
12:13 <philippeqc> sheesh! 5555 log entries ;) so much fun
12:13 <philippeqc> I'll do that
12:13 <wrtlprnft> well
12:13 <wrtlprnft> you can pipe it through head -n 1000
12:13 <wrtlprnft> if you aren't interested in old stuff
12:14 <wrtlprnft> and it won't give you 5555 log entries
12:14 <wrtlprnft> far less if you do it on a branch
12:15 <joda_bot> philippeqc: does not matter if it's already fixed ;)
12:15 * joda_bot loves Eclipses SVN GUI ;)
12:16 <philippeqc> 0 hits for "[Aa]x[ie]s" in head -n 1000 :(
12:16 <philippeqc> 1 hit for network
12:16 <wrtlprnft> ksvn is nice, too, but i figured that most dayly things i can do faster on the command line
12:17 <philippeqc> wait, the most recent message is dated 05-29
12:17 <philippeqc> d'oh
12:17 <joda_bot> I can browse the history, get the last editor of a line, and get diffs for a version on click (which I can selectively copy to the current workspace file)
12:22 <philippeqc> z-man have you commited any fix of the network messages for strange axes?
12:23 <wrtlprnft> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:23 <wrtlprnft> r4927 | z-man | 2006-06-17 16:29:33 +0200 (Sat, 17 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:23 <wrtlprnft> Fixed AI crash when axes have the wrong sense of rotation.
12:24 <wrtlprnft> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:24 <wrtlprnft> r4933 | z-man | 2006-06-18 09:29:31 +0200 (Sun, 18 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:24 <wrtlprnft> Adapted network syncing for anticyclic driving directions.
12:24 <philippeqc> weird!!!
12:24 <philippeqc> I dont even have those messages
12:24 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: question is on which branches the fix was made ;)
12:24 <wrtlprnft> svn log src | head -n 1000 | g -
12:25 <wrtlprnft> that was my command in branch 0.2.8
12:25 <wrtlprnft> and it's a while ago, so i assume it's in the trunk now
12:26 <philippeqc> checking in 0.3.0, not finding it there
12:26 <wrtlprnft> no, won't be
12:27 <philippeqc> searching in my big checkout of all branches found it :)
12:27 <wrtlprnft> branch 0.3.0 was started on Wed Jun 14 07:54:29 2006 UTC (2 weeks, 4 days ago)
12:28 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I fixed a log ai crash on branch0.3.0 or trunk (not sure)
12:28 <joda_bot> z-man did the initial fix though
12:28 <philippeqc> ok! it seem yours, z-man and wrtlprnft fixes remove crashes from 0.3.0 as I never experienced it, and tried the map with 3 AI.
12:29 * philippeqc have to learn to read svn log with many branches are involved.
12:29 <wrtlprnft> how long until 0.2.8.3?
12:30 <joda_bot> z-man's fixes have been on 0.2.8
12:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: did the crash with your map disappear now?
12:31 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4211
12:31 <wrtlprnft> - The score difference criterion for declaring a winner from the bug cries thread (apparently, people consider wins when teams are tied closely a bug).
12:31 <wrtlprnft> - Adapting the kick statistics for autobans to whole subnets to better handle dynamic IP abusers; If a client comes from a subnet many kicks have been issued against, he'll inherit the kick statistics. He won't be banned right away, but when he gets kicked, he's banned for a while. (Relying on the fact that 80% of griefers on dynamic IP don't know they can change their IP by just logging out and in, or that they don't do that because it would interrupt their filesharing). This is a social bugfix.
12:32 <wrtlprnft> those 2 are still missing AFAIK :(
12:35 <philippeqc> compiling 0.2.8
12:37 <z-man> Yes, those two are missing still. Today is "Death to Lag!" day, so they'll stay undone for a while.
12:37 * z-man tries to make Lagfarm an actually usable server
12:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: fixed, thanks for the back port
12:40 <wrtlprnft> .)
12:40 <wrtlprnft> * :)
12:40 * wrtlprnft can't even type a smiley .(
12:41 <philippeqc> cyclop smiley
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ::)
12:42 <philippeqc> ;:)
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ,)
12:42 <philippeqc> :;)
12:42 <philippeqc> double blinking
12:42 <wrtlprnft> cyclop blinking smiley ,)
12:50 <philippeqc> yippy! I've succesfully tried my wacky map on a dedicated server with 3 bots.
13:04 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-2.aamap.xml: Resource by philippeqc
13:14 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5560 /www/beta/trunk/maint-info/README: hm... umask changed on Gentoo?
13:20 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: it must not be fortress ;)
13:20 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: SP mode is too broken for fortress
13:21 <philippeqc> lol, dont check this one
13:21 <philippeqc> check -0.0.1.aamap.xml
13:21 <luke-jr_> in particular, it spawns enemies as if they were teammates
13:21 <luke-jr_> ...
13:22 <philippeqc> this I made broken to try if the network proto supported weird axes
13:22 <philippeqc> and I found an error with efaces
13:22 <philippeqc> so I wanted to investigate it more
13:23 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: BTW, wrtl's sphere idea is mostly a rendering matter
13:23 <philippeqc> depends on the motion you decide to support on the sphere
13:23 <luke-jr_> to implement its physics, we just need to have a speed multiplier based on how far from the edge of a plane
13:24 <luke-jr_> presuming normal 4 axis anyhow
13:24 <philippeqc> IIRC, there are many "normal 4 axis" for a sphere
13:24 <luke-jr_> but only one when you look at the plane =p
13:25 <luke-jr_> z-man: how was the latency on that vserver a while back?
13:31 <philippeqc> ok, got the bug in a recording ;)
13:32 <philippeqc> I'll start investigating as soon as I've posted it
13:40 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: your rat race map is fun :D
13:41 <philippeqc> hehe thanks
13:41 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, and i do get these warnings too, i talked to z-man about it, he told me to just ignore them
13:41 <philippeqc> hope you'r not taking the #2
13:41 <philippeqc> o ok, thanks for the tips, was ready to invest some time into looking for that prob
13:42 <philippeqc> bbl, a friend is here
13:42 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: thanks for the account on aabeta
13:46 <spidey> O_o
13:47 <spidey> 3 axis owns
13:47 <wrtlprnft> 3?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> 2 rocks
13:47 <spidey> yes
13:47 <wrtlprnft> look at philippeqcs' map
13:47 <spidey> never played 2
13:47 <wrtlprnft> * philippeqc's
13:47 <spidey> but 3 was awesome
13:48 <wrtlprnft> play 1 axis!
13:49 <wrtlprnft> that's where the fun starts. then you can use the brake button for control
13:49 <spidey> O_o
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13:49 <philippeqc> 2 axis: you can play with a single key.
13:50 <wrtlprnft> +brake
13:50 <philippeqc> yep
13:50 <spidey> a 3 axis fortress would be fun
13:50 <philippeqc> yes, for a 3 team configuration
13:50 <wrtlprnft> 3 axis- 3 teams :D
13:50 <spidey> it's like zig/zag
13:50 <philippeqc> its very mentally strange, as turning always give you a "backward" direction
13:51 <spidey> actually
13:51 <spidey> if you double bind
13:51 <spidey> like both ways really fast
13:51 <spidey> it's like going a long way then turning back
13:51 <spidey> but there's lines in the middle
13:52 <philippeqc> spidey: MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-0.0.1.aamap.xml
13:53 <philippeqc> dont forget to disable the AI before you start
13:53 <spidey> lol
13:53 <philippeqc> if you dont have 0.3, the ai will crash your game.
13:53 <spidey> i need to hook the router back up
13:53 <philippeqc> ?
13:53 <spidey> i unplugged it for the ladle cause it makes me lag
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13:54 <wrtlprnft> still lost :P
13:54 <madmax|pt> hello
13:54 <philippeqc> hi
13:54 <wrtlprnft> hi madmax|pt
13:54 <spidey> lol
13:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft started as a 3person team and made it to the finals :p
13:54 * wrtlprnft didn't start at all
13:55 * wrtlprnft certainly never made it to the finals
13:55 * spidey chokes wrtlprnft
13:55 * wrtlprnft thinks spidey is weird
13:55 <spidey> lol
14:00 <spidey> argh
14:00 <spidey> stupid burner
14:00 <spidey> software crashes after i get a 500mb mp3 list
14:00 <wrtlprnft> pfft
14:01 * spidey can fit 100+ songs on a cd
14:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: o.O;; nothing recent
14:15 <luke-jr_> songs or sound effects?
14:15 <spidey> songs
14:15 <luke-jr_> bs =p
14:16 <spidey> no
14:16 <spidey> i can
14:16 <spidey> on a normal cd
14:16 <spidey> my stereo plays data disks
14:16 <spidey> so i can fit 750mb worth of songs on 1 cd
14:16 <spidey> and listen to it on my stereo
14:17 <spidey> just burn as a data disk and not a audio disk
14:17 <luke-jr_> then why does your burning software care about a MP3 list?
14:17 <spidey> it doesn't
14:17 <spidey> it cares about the size
14:17 <spidey> hence the crash
14:17 <spidey> :p
14:17 <luke-jr_> ...
14:18 <luke-jr_> 500 mb isn't much
14:18 <spidey> yea,but it doesn't think like that,obviously
14:19 <luke-jr_> so use some good software
14:19 <luke-jr_> like k3b
14:19 <spidey> i don't feel like installing another one :/
14:20 <luke-jr_> lazy
14:20 <spidey> atleast not right now
14:20 <spidey> i just woke up :p
14:20 <spidey> Can't establish connection --> ftp.www.fallin-angels.com:21 @ Sun Jul 02 07:20:37 2006 (11004-100)
14:20 <spidey> The requested name is valid and was found in the database, but it does not have the correct associated data being resolved for.
14:20 <spidey> gaaaaaaaaah
14:21 <luke-jr_> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
14:21 <luke-jr_> wtf?
14:21 <luke-jr_> um
14:21 <luke-jr_> you do know ftp.www.fallin-angels.com doesn't exist?
14:21 <luke-jr_> just ftp.fallin-angels.com
14:21 <spidey> no
14:21 <spidey> it does
14:21 <spidey> cpanel fucks with the apache config
14:21 <luke-jr_> DNS says it doesn't =p
14:22 <spidey> even my email's admin@www.fallin-angels.com
14:22 <luke-jr_> ...
14:22 <luke-jr_> that's so broken
14:22 <luke-jr_> I'd complain
14:22 <spidey> that's so cpanel
14:24 <luke-jr_> I'd complain
14:24 <luke-jr_> that's so broken
14:24 <spidey> that's so cpanel
14:26 * wrtlprnft hates places where he has to type in www for a http:// adress
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14:29 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5561 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Added 0.3.0
14:30 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:31 <z-man> Seems to work :
14:31 <z-man> )
14:31 <wrtlprnft> so what will 0.3.1 have? A formula parser, a new zone concept with moving zones and different behaviours, a few new gauges, what else?
14:31 <z-man> Whatever is ready by the time we want to make it.
14:32 <wrtlprnft> well, my question is, when is the time we want to make it? ;)
14:33 <z-man> I'd be for one release every two or three months.
14:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
14:33 <wrtlprnft> I'd better hurry if i wanna have this in there )
14:33 <wrtlprnft> * :)
14:34 <z-man> luke-jr_: latency on the vserver was absolutely in the same league as on bugfarm. 30ms of ping measured from the PC bugfarm runs on.
14:35 <wrtlprnft> heh, i love having 50ms of ping on bugfarm now
14:35 <spidey> lol
14:35 <spidey> just don't turn into another zop :p
14:36 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_404.png
14:36 <wrtlprnft> look at the ping meter in the upper right corner!
14:36 <spidey> heh
14:37 <wrtlprnft> (i died because of that screenshot)
14:37 <spidey> pwned
14:37 * spidey lags in morning time
14:37 <spidey> i think this rain problem is getting worse
14:37 <wrtlprnft> getting more rain?
14:38 <spidey> no
14:38 <spidey> the dew
14:38 <spidey> in mornings
14:38 <spidey> i think it's starting to make me lag to
14:38 <wrtlprnft> maybe your neighbour is watering his garden?
14:38 <spidey> ummmm
14:38 <spidey> dude
14:38 <spidey> i don't have neighbours....
14:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:39 <spidey> closest person to me is 3/4 mile away
14:39 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: you can try armagetron.nixda.net's server it also runs a vserver
14:39 <spidey> and that's a small store
14:39 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: afaik
14:39 <wrtlprnft> #g 3/4 miles in km
14:39 <armabot> (3/4) miles = 1.207008 kilometers
14:40 <wrtlprnft> #g three quarters of a mine in kilometers
14:40 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:40 <wrtlprnft> #g three quarters of a mile in kilometers
14:40 <armabot> (three quarters) of (1 mile) = 1.207008 kilometers
14:40 <wrtlprnft> wow
14:40 <spidey> ?
14:40 * wrtlprnft wants google's formula parser for arma
14:41 <spidey> lol
14:49 * madmax|pt Not Here.
14:52 * wrtlprnft Not Where madmax|pt IS
14:52 <wrtlprnft> *Is
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15:11 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: experimental releases don't get feature plans =p
15:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: so latency was good?
15:12 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: I get ~144 ms pings there
15:12 <spider_> lucky
15:12 <luke-jr_> ...
15:12 <spider_> i het a 160-170 ping 2 days after it rains,lol
15:12 <spider_> get*
15:12 <luke-jr_> 144 ms ping is kinda high
15:13 <spider_> no it's not
15:13 <luke-jr_> to where?
15:13 <spider_> fortress?
15:13 <luke-jr_> what IP is that?
15:13 -!- spider_ is now known as spidey
15:13 <spidey> what ip?
15:13 <luke-jr_> ...
15:13 <spidey> i didn't post a ip...
15:13 <luke-jr_> well, I can't tell you my ping to it w/o an IP =p
15:13 <spidey> what are you talking about?
15:13 <spidey> llol
15:13 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:14 * spidey is confused
15:15 <luke-jr_> ...
15:15 <spidey> max,you know what he's talking about?
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15:16 <luke-jr_> ping <IP>
15:16 <luke-jr_> IP goes there
15:16 <spidey> i ment my ping in fortress
15:16 <spidey> bugfarm
15:16 <spidey> lol
15:17 <luke-jr_> 134.95.67.124
15:17 <spidey> ?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> pings in arma are usually higher than real pings
15:17 <luke-jr_> boo
15:17 <luke-jr_> it filters pings
15:17 <spidey> lol
15:17 <wrtlprnft> i know
15:17 <luke-jr_> that is SO RFC violating
15:17 <spidey> RFC ?
15:17 * wrtlprnft goes to his router setup
15:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: internet rules
15:17 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rfc
15:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RFC: request for comments
15:17 <spidey> lol
15:17 * wrtlprnft enables "ignore pings on WAN"
15:18 <wrtlprnft> just to annoy luke-jr_
15:18 <spidey> i block pings....
15:18 <spidey> icmp is disabled O_o
15:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: that's bad
15:18 <spidey> and it will remain that way too :p
15:18 <luke-jr_> anyone could kick you offline if you block pings
15:18 <luke-jr_> ping is how DHCP checks if an address is in use
15:18 <spidey> i can ping people
15:19 <spidey> but people can't ping me
15:19 <spidey> 68.119.125.64
15:19 <luke-jr_> but if the DHCP server can't ping you, it will assume you don't exist
15:19 <spidey> my ip
15:19 <luke-jr_> and give anyone who asks for that IP to them
15:19 <luke-jr_> *and give that IP to anyone who asks it for it
15:19 <spidey> first
15:20 <spidey> i live in tennessee
15:20 <luke-jr_> so?
15:20 <spidey> no one in this area is that smart...if they are they're on dialup anyways
15:20 <luke-jr_> you presume they need to be smart, or even do it intentionally ;)
15:20 <spidey> meh
15:20 <luke-jr_> if they had that IP months ago and haven't logged in since, their system will ask for that same IP again
15:21 <luke-jr_> and since nobody is using it, they will get it
15:21 <luke-jr_> and so long as you ignore pings, you are nobody
15:21 <spidey> i'll remain a nobody :)
15:21 <spidey> haven't had problems
15:21 <luke-jr_> I hope you do >:O
15:22 <luke-jr_> actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you *did* have problems, and just blamed them on the ISP or ignored them
15:22 <spidey> and i don't have a static ip so it changes anyways
15:22 <luke-jr_> and just restarted the modem or something
15:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey changes his IP every 5 minutes since he gets banned from everywhere anyways
15:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: more likely for a conflict
15:22 <luke-jr_> lol
15:22 <spidey> lol
15:22 <spidey> i haven't changed my ip in a bit tyvm :p
15:23 <spidey> only when i get kicked from fortress for retarded reasons
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speed_theater-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
15:23 <spidey> like not shuffling so zop can doublebind
15:23 * luke-jr_ 's client ignores DOUBLEBIND_TIME :)
15:24 <luke-jr_> j/k, I don't bother since nobody uses it
15:25 <wrtlprnft> spidey: by kicking you they have already archieved what they wanted :S
15:25 <wrtlprnft> an i think it's weird they kick you since there's 2 others that could do the same
15:29 <spidey> well
15:29 <spidey> if i like my spot
15:29 <spidey> and i'm not defending
15:29 <spidey> i'm not giving it up to a doublebinder
15:30 <wrtlprnft> i love the first 3 spots for defending
15:30 <spidey> yea
15:30 <spidey> i like defending from center
15:30 <wrtlprnft> me too
15:30 <spidey> but people say "defending from center is impossible"
15:30 <wrtlprnft> ...
15:30 <spidey> bah,it's best place if you know how
15:30 <wrtlprnft> they just never notice people do it ;)
15:31 <spidey> it can also stop center attacks
15:31 <spidey> if you turn back the right way
15:31 <wrtlprnft> it gives you lotsa speed and gives you time to look what's happening and choose a side to defend first
15:31 <spidey> yea
15:32 <spidey> but with the map i can tell which wing fails
15:32 <wrtlprnft> and if you turn late enough you don't cost your team any speed
15:32 <spidey> then i cut across the zone,seal the part i started on...and restart on that side
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speedTheater-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
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16:45 <G5_Ger> Hi all
16:47 <spidey> hi
17:09 <madmax|pt> hi G5
17:37 <Lackadaisical> sabarai is making the dutch people look like fools on the forums :(
17:39 <wrtlprnft> lol
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17:47 <G5_Ger> max: The trouble with a low ping is eg. during grind start. Im on the outside. On my screen Im the FIRST to break. I go right/left for a while. All seems ok. Then the server tells my client that the guy in front of me also turned. And he has a bad ping, what means that my turn was too late. My bike jumps back to the corner and I'm dead. Wow. What did I do wrong? I say nothing. What should I do in future? Right! I have to react t
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that's ping charity
17:49 <wrtlprnft> watch his lagometer and it won't happen :P
17:50 <wrtlprnft> z-man-home: for the above, would there a way to have a separate ping charity for teammates and enimies?
17:50 <z-man-home> No
17:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
17:50 * wrtlprnft doesn't even know exactly how ping charity works
17:51 <z-man-home> Ping charity modifies the timer, you can either give to everybody or nobody.
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17:59 <madmax|pt> timer?
17:59 <G5_Ger> I know it is ping charity and I agree ping charity is neccessary to make the game more fair. All I want to say is that it is as hard to play with a very ping as it is with a very low (or the lowest) ping.
18:00 <G5_Ger> Following the lagometer during the fortress start grind would mean not to grind at all. :-)
18:03 <wrtlprnft> low ping is way easier once you get used to having less rubber
18:03 <G5_Ger> z-man: Is the ping charity value the average or is it an offset?
18:04 <madmax|pt> whats the extra rubber formula?
18:05 <spidey> baaaaaaah
18:06 * spidey doesn't like the 4th or before and after
18:06 <spidey> i have to be around people O_o
18:06 <madmax|pt> huh?
18:06 <G5_Ger> Ok, I admit I have my troubles with low rubber ...
18:07 <spidey> low rubber = the pwn
18:07 <spidey> i can't typw "teh" :/
18:07 <spidey> stupid text correct thingy
18:12 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:17 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: effectiveness *= ( max + player->ping * sg_rubberCyclePing )/max;
18:17 <wrtlprnft> and sg_rubberCyclePing is set to 3 by default, it seems
18:19 <G5_Ger> g2g. Bye
18:19 <wrtlprnft> cya
18:19 <madmax|pt> hmm
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18:20 <wrtlprnft> and max is the rubber
18:21 <wrtlprnft> so with 300 ms of ping and 5 rubber you'd get:
18:21 <wrtlprnft> #g (5 + .3 * 3)/5
18:21 <armabot> (5 + (.3 * 3)) / 5 = 1.18
18:21 <wrtlprnft> 1.18 times your normal rubber
18:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5 * 1.18
18:21 <armabot> 5 * 1.18 = 5.9
18:22 <wrtlprnft> that makes for a way easier doublebind against a wall at normal speed
18:22 <madmax|pt> thanks, i always wondered how that formula would be
18:22 <wrtlprnft> me too :)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> just fished it out of the code
18:38 <madmax|pt> just noticed there's a XCode project file for the source
18:38 <madmax|pt> cool :)
18:40 <wrtlprnft> no clue if it's up to date
18:52 <spidey> O_o
18:53 <spidey> tron froze o_O
18:54 <wrtlprnft> got a backtrace?
19:00 <spidey> um
19:00 <spidey> i accidently started 2 clients
19:00 <spidey> one minimized and one opened
19:00 <spidey> so i closed the opened one and started playing on the minimized one
19:01 <spidey> went to "Internet" and it froze
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19:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5562 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Moved acceleration calculation into core timestep. That's the only way to awoid differences in brake application over the network.
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19:21 <wrtlprnft> i love armabot :)
19:21 <wrtlprnft> as long as it posts good commit messages, that is :(
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5563 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: (log message trimmed)
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5546 to 5562:
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: r5555 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-01 16:46:59 +0200 (Sat, 01 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: rebeautified and removed debug output, sorry
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: r5554 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-01 16:18:29 +0200 (Sat, 01 Jul 2006) | 3 lines
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> that's obvious
19:34 <spidey> <jpgnode> I think you may be retarded
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> i am
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> i'm in this mental home you see
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> and well...without a computer i go nuts
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> so nuts they can't handle me
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> so they let me use the computer at the front desk
19:40 <spidey> http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/13787/30/
19:41 <spidey> gay
19:41 * spidey slaps the us embassy
19:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5564 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/bootstrap.sh: Removed changing of executable bit of install-sh, which is a symlink to a system file (I thought I already did that, twice...)
20:00 <joda_bot> z-man: three branches :-P ... 0.3 trunk and 0.2.8 ;)
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20:14 <Brooky> Hi all
20:16 <joda_bot> hi Brooky
20:25 <madmax|pt> hi Brooky
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20:46 <luke-jr_> bye ph
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5565 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5545 to 5563:
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: r5562 | z-man | 2006-07-02 19:17:27 +0200 (Sun, 02 Jul 2006) | 1 line
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Moved acceleration calculation into core timestep. That's the only way to awoid differences in brake application over the network.
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: r5559 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-02 12:10:39 +0200 (Sun, 02 Jul 2006) | 7 lines
20:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: hope you had no trouble with that backport
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5566 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Added prototypes for lag compensation functions so they can be integrated in the Windows/Mac projects before they're actually used.
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Splitted libenginecore.a from libengine.a with the files that use most of the CPU time; they can be compiled with optimizations even if the rest of the code is in debug mode.
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20:52 <z-man> No, it didn't make trouble.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about removing it from the trunk and then putting it into the branch
20:55 <z-man> No, that would have been a very bad idea :)
20:55 <z-man> SVN usually ignores identical changes, but I don't know what it does if you change something, change it back, then try to merge the change.
20:56 <z-man> (besides, joda and lucifer produced horrible merges in normal operation, a simple backport does not frighten me :) )
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
20:57 <luke-jr_> z-man: Could you perhaps see about merging MCPAttack to 0.2.8 branch?
20:57 <luke-jr_> last time I tried, I had trouble for some reason
20:57 <z-man> How does the mod work?
20:58 <luke-jr_> oh, it's quite hacking-- it needs to stay outside the tree =p
20:58 <z-man> do you have to activate it with some -D
20:58 <luke-jr_> hackish*
20:58 <luke-jr_> eg, in private
20:58 <z-man> Oh, you want to merge the last changes in 0.2.8 to MCPAttack.
20:58 <luke-jr_> right
20:58 <luke-jr_> well
20:58 <luke-jr_> MCPAttack is based on 0.2.8.0
20:58 <luke-jr_> the branch
20:59 <z-man> You know what I think about merging from a main development branch to some private branch?
20:59 <z-man> Ekk, 0.2.8.0 is still CVS based :(
21:00 <luke-jr_> ?
21:00 <z-man> That means all the management stuff still assumes it can access CVS. Version generation, ChangeLog...
21:01 <luke-jr_> ah
21:01 <z-man> What was the last revision you merged?
21:01 <z-man> Or didn't you merge at all until now?
21:01 <luke-jr_> r4751 | luke-jr | 2006-06-04 12:24:35 +0000 (Sun, 04 Jun 2006) | 148 lines
21:01 <luke-jr_> Merge up to rev 4747, branch 0.2.8.0
21:02 <luke-jr_> which IIRC is beyond the last change in 0.2.8.0 branch
21:03 <joda_bot> z-man want me to update branch 0.2. to new code::blocks system ?
21:03 <joda_bot> 0.2.8
21:04 <z-man> No!
21:04 <joda_bot> ok
21:04 <joda_bot> :)
21:04 <joda_bot> just asking :)
21:04 * luke-jr_ hangs joda_bot
21:04 <z-man> hehe
21:04 * luke-jr_ undoes all joda_bot's commits
21:04 * joda_bot died :)
21:04 <luke-jr_> >:p
21:05 <z-man> luke-jr_: could you pass me the filepath to mcp? Too lazy to dig it out :)
21:06 <luke-jr_> private/luke-jr/MCPAttack
21:06 <luke-jr_> I think
21:06 <luke-jr_> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/luke-jr/MCPAttack/armagetronad
21:06 <luke-jr_> minus the last part for build etc
21:07 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/tools/griddraw/trunk/ <-- what's this?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> smells like plainC- code :(
21:08 <luke-jr_> oh that was fun
21:08 <luke-jr_> it was how I made my earlier maps
21:09 <luke-jr_> it lets me code in cycle movement ;)
21:09 <luke-jr_> it supports output to either gArena code or XML =p
21:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:10 <wrtlprnft> can you improve it to a real map editor?
21:10 <luke-jr_> haha
21:10 <luke-jr_> no
21:10 <wrtlprnft> :(
21:10 <luke-jr_> you make maps using C
21:10 <luke-jr_> it's mainly a C library
21:10 <luke-jr_> but without the stuff a real library needs
21:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:10 <luke-jr_> so you do like
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21:10 <luke-jr_> startat(0,0)
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21:11 <luke-jr_> forward(1)
21:11 <luke-jr_> turn(1)
21:11 <luke-jr_> forward(1)
21:11 <wrtlprnft> some thing like KTurtle?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> *something
21:11 <luke-jr_> the power being that you can do for loops =p
21:11 <luke-jr_> for (int i=0; i< 4; ++i)
21:11 <luke-jr_> never heard of it
21:12 <wrtlprnft> if you have kdeedu installed you have it
21:12 <luke-jr_> but basically, I didn't want to calculate my own angles, nor enter the same wall in a different position twice or more
21:12 <luke-jr_> don't think I do
21:13 <luke-jr_> I use KDE from Svn
21:13 <luke-jr_> and only keep a few modules of it
21:13 <wrtlprnft> sec
21:13 <luke-jr_> if I were to write a map maker, it would simply convert PNM or such to a map
21:14 <luke-jr_> or more likely svn
21:14 <luke-jr_> svg*
21:14 <luke-jr_> since I'm not sure how raw image would do spawns ;)
21:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/kturtle.png
21:19 <wrtlprnft> you just need xml output for it :P
21:25 <madmax|pt> jeez, i once "played" with a similar thing in DOS
21:30 <luke-jr_> wow
21:30 <luke-jr_> what practical use does that program have?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, for little kids to learn programming?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> the package it's in is called "kdeedu"...
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I never could figure out the turtle thing (kturtle is based on a much older program)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> is that so hard?
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22:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean, when I was a kid trying to play with the turtle, I couldn't figure out how to make it do stuff
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> so I just reset the computer and used basic and keyboard graphics to do the things the program was intended for
22:34 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with o_O
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:34:42] <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with O_o
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:35:02] <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with o_O
22:34 <wrtlprnft> gah case- insensitive :(
22:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, since armabot was last restarted i used o_O 10 times and O_o 2 times
22:37 <wrtlprnft> looks like i need to use O_o more
22:37 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:42 <luke-jr_> O_o = 70
22:42 <luke-jr_> o_O = 135
22:42 <luke-jr_> o.o = 684
22:42 <luke-jr_> O.O = 21
22:44 <Brooky> whats with the random stats
22:44 <Brooky> lol
23:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my homedir over NFS doesn't seem to cause any serious trouble yet...
23:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> homedir over nfs 0o
23:11 <wrtlprnft> tho i wonder what will happen when i enable it on my notebook
23:11 * [Xpert]DarkStar remembers trying to do that on 10 mbit lan
23:11 <wrtlprnft> especially what happens if i temporarily leave WLAN area
23:11 <wrtlprnft> well, it's wlan
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
23:12 <wrtlprnft> speed shouldn't be a problem
23:13 <wrtlprnft> i can replace all cache dirs by symlinks somewhere else
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23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
23:19 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
23:21 <wrtlprnft> night [Xpert]DarkStar
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23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I never had a problem using my homedir over nfs
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> even playing video files was fine
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's even with a 10mb wlan card on a laptop :)
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I found the cpu on the server limited the transfer rates more than the network speed
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5567 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gAIBase.cpp src/tron/gGame.cpp): Added removed, auto-generated files to ignore list.
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what happens to kde and co if you go out of wlan range for a minute? Do they continue to work until you access something, do they freeze and contunue later, or do they crash?
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> freeze, nfs calls are blocking. It's disaster.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't recommend doing it over wlan. :) Instead, mount up your homedir as a neutral directory somewhere.
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23:36 <Lucifer_arma> Then you might rsync to it from your laptop's homedir or something like that, I don't know. I'm curious what you come up with, I'd like to do the same thing here.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> but I take my laptop out of wlan range quite frequently
23:42 <wrtlprnft> so you aren't using NFS?
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> not now, no
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> this was awhile back, when my server was a 450mhz k6-2
23:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah, if the file list wasn't that huge... a rsync usually takes about 10 minutes just to build the filelist
23:43 <wrtlprnft> that's 6 arma build dirs, 10000 files of opera's mail DB, and some other stuff
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> I want a daemon that runs all the time and watches two directories for changes, so when a change is made, the maximum time for it to propogate is like 100ms
23:43 <wrtlprnft> I'll try sometime, let's see what'll happen
23:44 <wrtlprnft> that would be better in the kernel IMHO
23:44 <wrtlprnft> isn't unionfs supposed to do something like that?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> whether it would be better there or not, afaik it's not there, and I'm not hacking the kernel :)
23:44 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know anything about unionfs
23:45 * Lucifer_arma is considering writing such a daemon a ways after his budget program is working
23:46 <wrtlprnft> uh, tell me when you have something workable :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> could be months :)
23:47 <wrtlprnft> :(
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> see, I've made the database for my budget program a directory tree instead of a flat file, where a transaction is a single file on disk
23:47 <spidey> mmmm
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> accounts are directories with files that describe them, and so forth
23:48 <spidey> didn't i say i might leave mbc if micro raises the rubber high enough for bugs to show again?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> so I should get multi-user access for free, just have to watch when I save a transaction that already exists that it hasn't been changed
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd like some way to mirror the database, and more importantly, some way to watch for changes in the database and have them propogate automatically to the gui
23:49 <Brooky> g2g 2 bed guys
23:49 <Brooky> cya
23:49 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> 'night Brooky
23:49 <Brooky> bye
23:49 <wrtlprnft> isn't that was mysql is for?
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23:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes? but a personal finance program needs to be self-contained
23:50 <wrtlprnft> tru
23:50 <wrtlprnft> e
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> there may eventually be a mysql backend for it, I don't know, I don't really need it
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not trying to scale to n users, just to 2 :)
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> and there's a lot of extra database management that nobody does, afaik, and mysql doesn't provide.
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> like what happens if someone breaks into your computer and changes a bunch of stuff? How do you find out what they did and restore?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> you don't if you don't have a safe backup somewhere else
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00:25 <wrtlprnft> anyone wanna join me on Bugfarm Deathmath?
00:27 <spidey> ?
00:27 <spidey> deathmath?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah, deathmath
00:28 <wrtlprnft> server lis
00:28 <wrtlprnft> t
00:29 <madmax|pt> deathmath!?
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00:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eh?
00:57 <madmax|pt> its nice
00:57 <madmax|pt> deathmatch with spawn
00:57 <madmax|pt> pretty cool
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01:27 <spidey> suicide fest!
01:27 <ghableska> ?
01:27 * wrtlprnft is thinking about a race server with respawn
01:27 <wrtlprnft> the objective would be to reach the zone as often as possible in 2 minutes
01:27 <spidey> i had over 80 suicides
01:27 <ghableska> o_O
01:27 <spidey> didn't i wrtl xD
01:27 <spidey> that's in one round
01:28 <spidey> less than 10 minutes
01:28 * spidey smacked the wall O_o
01:28 <wrtlprnft> great archivement. humankind will thank you
01:30 <ghableska> btw, how did the ladle go?
01:30 * wrtlprnft notes this is easier archived with SIZE_FACTOR -10000
01:32 <wrtlprnft> what i don't like about this server is that you don't get any time for chatting
01:32 <madmax|pt> thats good
01:33 <wrtlprnft> there should be a button you have to press to respawn
01:33 <madmax|pt> like UT!
01:33 <wrtlprnft> like bzflag!
01:33 <madmax|pt> nooo, like UT!!!
01:34 <wrtlprnft> noooooooo, like bzflag!
01:34 <madmax|pt> noooooooooooooo, like UT!!!!
01:34 <wrtlprnft> noooooooooooooooooooooo, like bzflag!
01:34 <ghableska> o.0
01:34 <madmax|pt> No. Just exactly like UT.
01:35 <wrtlprnft> then program it
01:35 * wrtlprnft never played UT
01:35 <madmax|pt> wow
01:35 <madmax|pt> how could you?
01:35 <cusco> respawn sounds good! I thought about that before!
01:35 <cusco> its so boring when you die.. and just stay waiting
01:36 <wrtlprnft> cusco: try it on Bugfarm Deathmatch
01:36 <cusco> waiting... wating ... waiting ... zzzz
01:36 * wrtlprnft never watched the movie tron
01:36 <madmax|pt> Capture the flag, domination, bombing run!
01:36 <madmax|pt> me neither...
01:36 <wrtlprnft> armaflag?
01:36 <madmax|pt> its bad, cause i wanted to
01:36 <wrtlprnft> bztron?
01:36 <madmax|pt> yeah
01:37 <cusco> wrtlprnft: nobody there
01:37 <cusco> anybody wanna join?
01:37 <madmax|pt> there was once i actually tried bzflag
01:37 <madmax|pt> not that bad
01:37 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: go join BF Deathmatch :P
01:37 <wrtlprnft> very, very badly programmed
01:37 <cusco> weird stuff!!
01:38 <cusco> and your tail grows slowly!!
01:38 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I tried it
01:38 <ghableska> it's...interesting
01:38 <wrtlprnft> ah okl
01:38 * wrtlprnft is too tired to join
01:39 <ghableska> the last time Z-Man had a server like that, I found myself outside the arena ;)
01:39 <cusco> hehe I was trying that
01:39 <cusco> you crash
01:39 <ghableska> yeah :(
01:40 <ghableska> it was fun going around outside :D
01:40 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: go to my race server, it has a hole
01:40 <ghableska> at the end?
01:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
01:40 <spidey> luke has a map with a hole
01:40 <ghableska> yeah, but I never can make it there :P
01:40 <spidey> on both sides
01:40 <spidey> lol
01:40 <wrtlprnft> to save space and allow the HUD minimap to be bigger
01:40 <wrtlprnft> and not have people dying after reaching the zone
01:41 <ghableska> I usually go around in circles by the word "Start"
01:41 <ghableska> :P
01:41 <wrtlprnft> start?
01:41 <spidey> wanna goto the race server?
01:41 <wrtlprnft> i thought it said RACE...
01:41 <ghableska> :-/
01:41 * ghableska just got back from a trip
01:41 <ghableska> and I'm a little tired :P
01:41 <wrtlprnft> where to?
01:41 <ghableska> Minneapolis
01:42 * wrtlprnft just got back from a trip, too
01:42 <ghableska> fun?
01:42 <wrtlprnft> 10 months of fun :)
01:42 <ghableska> ;)
01:42 <ghableska> long trip
01:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
01:42 <madmax|pt> no1 @ bugfarm fort? o_O
01:42 <ghableska> did they have the steaming towels? :P
01:42 <wrtlprnft> no
01:43 <ghableska> I got those at a restaurant :P
01:43 <wrtlprnft> o_O
01:43 <wrtlprnft> there were hot towels on the plane tho
01:46 <spidey> support
01:47 <wrtlprnft> ?
01:47 <spidey> dunno where that came from
01:47 <spidey> lol
01:47 <ghableska> sssssssssssssssssssssupport
01:47 <ghableska> gah
01:47 <spidey> i think i've finally drank more water than my stomach can hold :/
01:47 <ghableska> why?
01:47 <spidey> cause it's freakin hot
01:47 <ghableska> still too warm?
01:47 <spidey> and cold water helps keep me cool
01:48 <ghableska> would've fried the bugs, right?
01:48 <spidey> i mean cold to the point half of it's water
01:48 <spidey> and half is ice
01:48 <ghableska> o_O
01:48 <wrtlprnft> well then the other half is water
01:48 <ghableska> cold..
01:48 <spidey> i asid that
01:48 <mkzelda> test
01:48 <ghableska> :P
01:48 <spidey> t
01:48 <spidey> e
01:48 <spidey> s
01:48 <spidey> t
01:48 <wrtlprnft> t
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01:48 <spidey> l
01:48 <spidey> o
01:48 <spidey> l
01:49 <mkzelda> awesome
01:49 <wrtlprnft> l
01:49 <wrtlprnft> e
01:49 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:49 <wrtlprnft> t
01:49 <wrtlprnft> '
01:49 <wrtlprnft> s
01:49 <wrtlprnft>
01:49 <mkzelda> 2 diff computers
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01:50 <ghableska> oops
01:50 <madmax|pt> i think i'll grep this shit later
01:50 <ghableska> m
01:50 <wrtlprnft> haha
01:50 <spidey> haha
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01:50 <wrtlprnft> haga!
01:50 <spidey> o
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01:50 <mkzelda> =l
01:50 <ghableska> l
01:50 <mkzelda> =o
01:50 <mkzelda> =l
01:50 <mkzelda> =e
01:50 <spidey> lmao
01:50 <mkzelda> =r
01:50 <mkzelda> =s
01:50 <ghableska> =+
01:50 <mkzelda> =k
01:50 <mkzelda> =a
01:50 <mkzelda> =t
01:50 <mkzelda> =e
01:50 <mkzelda> =s
01:50 <ghableska> =^
01:51 <ghableska> brb
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01:51 <madmax|pt> this is better than the vertical writing tool
01:51 <spidey> s
01:52 <mkzelda> I never knew my bnc supported simultaneous connections to the same user
01:52 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is bnc
01:52 <mkzelda> but here i am using a diff machine this sentence
01:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: bnc: nothing appropriate
01:52 <spidey> +bnc
01:52 <spidey> irc proxy
01:52 <mkzelda> BouNCe
01:52 <spidey> from a shell
01:52 <spidey> to a irc server
01:53 <spidey> baically a gateway
01:53 <mkzelda> i dont use it on a shell tho, just throw it on my primary server so that i can reboot and keep my session open
01:53 <mkzelda> like screen
01:53 <wrtlprnft> ah
01:53 <wrtlprnft> i use screen for that :D
01:55 <mkzelda> what is the svn equiv to cvs up -d ?
01:56 <wrtlprnft> i think -d is supposed to be automatic now
01:56 <mkzelda> okay
01:56 <wrtlprnft> if you're missing a file that's because you miss boost
01:56 <mkzelda> i dont have a configure script after bootstrap
01:56 <wrtlprnft> weird
01:56 <wrtlprnft> should have
01:57 <mkzelda> is the crash i was having on launch gone yet?
01:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, try it?
01:57 <wrtlprnft> no clue what crash that was
01:57 <mkzelda> hard to w/o configure
01:58 <wrtlprnft> uh, no clue what's wrong with that
01:58 <wrtlprnft> new checkout maybe?
01:58 <mkzelda> well i got no error, but it crashed after audio initialized, strace said something about floor.png
01:58 <mkzelda> just did
01:59 <mkzelda> luci said to blame you i think
01:59 <mkzelda> haha
01:59 <wrtlprnft> reason?
01:59 <mkzelda> scapegoat?
01:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
01:59 <mkzelda> :D
01:59 <mkzelda> maybe he was blaming ppl w/ names starting w/ w
02:00 <wrtlprnft> w/ pleasure somewone w/ w thinks
02:00 <mkzelda> just playin, he said it was something u did and showed the diff
02:00 <mkzelda> as a possibility
02:01 <wrtlprnft> and what was that?
02:01 <mkzelda> may not have been that commit
02:01 <mkzelda> i wish i still had the url
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http --with viewcvs
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 48815 messages.
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:27:23] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http --nolimit
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:27:23] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/, [15:04:34] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/, [21:53:33] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ :), [16:25:27] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can anybody connect to this with a web browser?, [15:31:46] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can (3 more messages)
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #more
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: anybody connect to this with a web browser?, [15:18:19] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <-- can anybody connect to this with a web browser?, [13:30:45] <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Servers&diff=9941&oldid=9881, [17:01:07] <Lucifer_arma> when you go to http://localhost do you get a web page?, [16:42:25] <Lucifer_arma> (2 more messages)
02:01 <wrtlprnft> #more
02:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html <--- the longer version of the link wrtlprnft already gave you for xampp :), [16:14:03] <Lucifer_arma> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.advanced.props.html#svn.advanced.props.special.keywords, [16:04:19] <Lucifer_arma> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/sswww.htm <--- here is a very simple webserver, [19:00:34] (1 more message)
02:01 <mkzelda> it was a week-2 ago
02:02 <wrtlprnft> ah
02:02 <wrtlprnft> thought that was while i was away
02:03 <mkzelda> still no configure :(
02:03 <mkzelda> new checkout only snagged one file, ePlayer.cpp
02:03 <wrtlprnft> that's the trunk?
02:04 <wrtlprnft> no errors?
02:04 <mkzelda> no errors
02:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/77403
02:12 <mkzelda> hrm
02:12 <mkzelda> started from scratch to test...
02:12 <wrtlprnft> didn't work?
02:12 <mkzelda> configure:1506: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS
02:12 <mkzelda> If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
02:13 <mkzelda> on bootstrap, after Running autoconf...
02:14 <mkzelda> i didnt get that before
02:14 <mkzelda> and its the same revision 5567
02:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm
02:15 <wrtlprnft> no clue, ask z-man
02:16 <Luke-Jr> blame mkzelda
02:16 <mkzelda> yay!
02:16 <mkzelda> heh
02:16 <mkzelda> blame canadia
02:17 <wrtlprnft> ANY PROBLEMS WITH BOOTSTRAP:SH? BLAME LUKE ASAP!
02:17 <wrtlprnft> blame the usa
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02:17 <wrtlprnft> ANY PROBLEMS WITH ./CONFIGURE? BLAME LUKE ASAP!
02:17 <mkzelda> what were u talking about 'missing boost' earlier?
02:17 <wrtlprnft> that's a missing header if you didn't install boost
02:17 <ghableska> HELLO WRTLPRNFT
02:17 <ghableska> :P
02:17 <Luke-Jr> HELLO GHABLESKA
02:18 <wrtlprnft> HELLO GHABLESKA
02:18 <Luke-Jr> who here uses cable internet?
02:18 <wrtlprnft> me
02:18 <ghableska> me
02:18 <wrtlprnft> rocks
02:18 <wrtlprnft> spidey does AFAIK
02:18 <Luke-Jr> can I run a nice little script on your system? :)
02:18 <mkzelda> all your mac address are belong to luke
02:18 <wrtlprnft> err
02:18 <spidey> mmm
02:18 <spidey> sure
02:18 <wrtlprnft> if i get to read and understand the script?
02:18 <Luke-Jr> well, you could read it I guess
02:18 <Luke-Jr> but understand it isn't that simple
02:19 <Luke-Jr> :)
02:19 <mkzelda> give me lots of scripts to test that i wont read and understand and I will run them indiscrimenantly
02:19 <spidey> Luke-Jr, on my system?
02:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you use windoze
02:19 <spidey> yar
02:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: so you can't run scripts
02:19 <mkzelda> sploit me
02:19 <spidey> lol
02:19 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: nah, it wouldn't do much to you
02:19 <spidey> i had mepis installed
02:19 <spidey> once upon a time
02:19 <Luke-Jr> had is past tense
02:19 <spidey> not sure why i uninstalled it
02:19 <spidey> but i'm putting slackware on this one
02:20 <spidey> when i'm unlazy
02:20 <spidey> O-o
02:20 <wrtlprnft> that is, never?
02:20 <spidey> tron does support slackware right? O_o
02:20 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: basically, here's what it does
02:20 <Luke-Jr> it scans 10.*.*.* for port 80s
02:20 <Luke-Jr> and then
02:20 <Luke-Jr> browses to those port 80s
02:20 <Luke-Jr> and extracts useful info
02:20 <wrtlprnft> uh, so I'm gonna ran a portscanner?
02:21 <spidey> why not 198,*,*,*
02:21 <wrtlprnft> *run
02:21 <Luke-Jr> it scans a single port, but other than that, I guess
02:21 <Luke-Jr> what's wrong with a portscanner?
02:21 <spidey> and since you put it htat way
02:21 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 198.*.*.* doesn't have modems
02:21 <spidey> it wouldn't work for me either :p
02:21 <spidey> umm
02:21 <spidey> yes it does
02:21 <wrtlprnft> uh, i can tell you the IP of my modem...
02:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so?
02:21 <spidey> my modem address is 198,162.1.100
02:21 <Luke-Jr> this scans *all* modems in your subnet
02:21 <spidey> so it does have 198 :)
02:22 <Luke-Jr> spidey: that's its LAN address
02:22 <spidey> yea
02:22 <Luke-Jr> ok, let me rephrase
02:22 <Luke-Jr> it goes out and gets the modem MAC addresses of every cable modem in your city
02:22 <spidey> O_o
02:22 <mkzelda> all your mac address are belong to luke
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02:22 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
02:22 <spidey> mmm
02:22 <mkzelda> someone wants to steal some cable
02:23 <spidey> hehe
02:23 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
02:23 <wrtlprnft> HELLO VANHAYES
02:23 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: nah, probably will never be in their area, or I'd scan myself
02:23 <Vanhayes> HELLO wrtlprnft
02:23 * wrtlprnft feels so mean
02:23 <Luke-Jr> just collecting MACs and stuff for fun
02:23 <Vanhayes> how was your flight?
02:23 <wrtlprnft> long
02:23 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: he lost it
02:23 <wrtlprnft> long waiting times
02:23 <mkzelda> i thot u'd want to use a mac addy anywhere but the area you find it
02:24 <wrtlprnft> and no buisness class this time :(
02:24 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: you can only use it in the same area
02:24 <cusco> mkzelda:
02:24 <cusco> mkzelda: mkzelda mkzelda
02:24 <Luke-Jr> just so long as it isn't *too* close
02:24 <cusco> I had the same problem
02:24 <Vanhayes> heh had to fly coach?
02:24 <ghableska> :P
02:24 <mkzelda> w/ bootstrap?
02:24 <wrtlprnft> economy
02:24 <mkzelda> cusco: with bootstrap or with starting game
02:24 <cusco> zman told me to coment a line on the configure.ac file
02:24 <cusco> the lane that reads m4_include(accustomdir.m4)
02:24 <cusco> with bootstrap
02:24 <Luke-Jr> >:O
02:25 <Luke-Jr> don't comment my custom dir!
02:25 <Luke-Jr> =p
02:25 <wrtlprnft> hahahaHAHAhahahHAHAhahahaaaaa!
02:25 <cusco> soory
02:25 <mkzelda> what do i need your custom dir for
02:25 <ghableska> o_O
02:25 <cusco> err
02:25 * ghableska prods wrtlprnft
02:25 <cusco> I did comment out that one
02:25 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: so you can do --docdir
02:25 <Luke-Jr> and such
02:25 <cusco> else it wouldn't bootsrap
02:25 <mkzelda> oh
02:25 <mkzelda> if i actually used it, would that make the err go away possibly?
02:25 <Luke-Jr> because
02:25 <Luke-Jr> autoconf is LAME
02:25 <Luke-Jr> and doesn't allow custom dirs on its own
02:25 <wrtlprnft> because
02:25 <mkzelda> or, wait i cant use bootstrap to get to configure
02:25 <mkzelda> so nm
02:26 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr is LAME :D
02:26 <cusco> Luke-Jr: so how should I do?
02:26 <cusco> you shouldn't use autoconf to start with :P (even tho I can't support the argument)
02:26 <Luke-Jr> cusco: um, figure out why accustomdir doesn't work for you and fix it
02:26 <wrtlprnft> well then, where's your script?
02:26 <Luke-Jr> cusco: we just switched to autoconf, shoulda told us before that
02:26 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: on my computer
02:27 <mkzelda> commenting that fixed it for me
02:27 <cusco> mkzelda: for me too
02:27 <cusco> :)
02:27 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, we need to work out a way to move the script from my computer to your computer
02:27 <wrtlprnft> err
02:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: scp?
02:27 <spidey> argh
02:28 <spidey> ok,i'm unlazy enough to install nix.....but i've got no blank cd's :/
02:28 <wrtlprnft> excuses
02:28 <Luke-Jr> lol
02:28 <spidey> no
02:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: so, where's the file?
02:28 <spidey> seriously
02:28 <Luke-Jr> spidey: shipit?
02:28 <spidey> i don't
02:28 <mkzelda> use lots of floppies
02:28 <spidey> hahaha
02:28 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@hachi ~ $
02:28 <spidey> i think not
02:28 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: on my computer =p
02:28 <spidey> i got 3 floppies :p
02:28 <Luke-Jr> in my private dir
02:28 <wrtlprnft> move it somewhere where i can get it=
02:29 <wrtlprnft> ?
02:29 <spidey> ohhh
02:29 <spidey> i can access my other ntfs drive right O_o
02:29 <spidey> from linux :/
02:30 <wrtlprnft> get a better documented file system
02:30 <spidey> bah
02:30 <spidey> you're crazy if you think i'm gonna format that drive
02:30 <spidey> just to use exc3
02:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: push
02:30 * wrtlprnft suggests to just drop it out of the window
02:30 <spidey> no
02:30 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ext3 > NTFS
02:30 <spidey> maybe so
02:31 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@hachi ~ $ ls /home/luke-jr/push
02:31 <wrtlprnft> ls: /home/luke-jr/push: No such file or directory
02:31 <spidey> but i've got 70gigs of stuff i wanna keep on that drive :)
02:31 <wrtlprnft> get another drive?
02:31 <Luke-Jr> spidey: backup?
02:31 <spidey> yes it's my backup drive
02:31 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no, no... <.<
02:31 <Luke-Jr> #wikipedia push
02:31 <mkzelda> get rid of it all anyways
02:31 <Luke-Jr> #wtf
02:31 <Luke-Jr> stupid bot
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02:32 <wrtlprnft> To push something is to move it by the application of force. Although depending on context, push may have many other meanings.
02:32 <wrtlprnft> good to know
02:32 <Luke-Jr> to push as opposed to pulling
02:32 <wrtlprnft> In older distributions of Linux push is a command to start an Internet connection. It has mostly been replaced by dhcpd.
02:33 <spidey> mmmm
02:33 <Luke-Jr> ...
02:33 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft is playing dumb
02:33 <wrtlprnft> so how are you gonna <.< push >.> the script to me?
02:33 <spidey> watch me fuck this up again
02:34 <spidey> last time i had a 70gig backup i accidently formatted the wrong drive
02:34 <spidey> :/
02:34 <wrtlprnft> as long as you don't do both...
02:34 <mkzelda> unplug the backup temp and u wont have to worry about that
02:34 <spidey> um
02:34 <spidey> seriously i would
02:35 <spidey> but there's way to much shit to move to take the side off
02:35 <wrtlprnft> disable it in BIOS?
02:35 <spidey> ah,yes
02:35 <wrtlprnft> don't disable the wrong drive...
02:35 <spidey> hold on....putting everything else i want on the drive
02:35 <mkzelda> spidey: next time im late / dont feel like going to work/school/whatever commitment, ill consult you for excuses
02:35 <spidey> lol
02:35 <spidey> i probably will
02:36 <spidey> umm
02:36 <mkzelda> disable the drive in bios
02:36 <spidey> i usually use "i'm sick" for those things
02:36 <wrtlprnft> boring
02:36 <spidey> i wonder if i can use a dvd -r to install
02:36 <spidey> cause i seriously got no extract cd -rs
02:36 <mkzelda> yes you can
02:36 <spidey> extra
02:37 <spidey> k good
02:37 <spidey> i got 20 of them
02:37 <spidey> heh
02:37 <wrtlprnft> "my hamster just ate my cat that before ate my homework, so i had to bury the hamster since its stomach exploded and couldn't come to school"
02:37 <mkzelda> if your burning app doesnt insist on using cdrs for the iso, for some reason
02:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: scp
02:37 <spidey> i can burn dvd's
02:37 <wrtlprnft> sc- Push?
02:38 <spidey> but it likes to crash on a 500mb mp3 list
02:38 <wrtlprnft> well, i can't give anyone an account on that machine
02:38 <wrtlprnft> my network isn't safe enought for that
02:38 <spidey> lahl
02:38 <Luke-Jr> well how am I gonna run it? =p
02:38 <spidey> wait 40 minutes?
02:38 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you're a different network, LOL
02:38 <wrtlprnft> well, the plan was that you give it to me and tell me how to run it
02:38 <wrtlprnft> and then i run it
02:39 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oh, well... that doesn't quite work when I half expect problems running it
02:39 <wrtlprnft> hmm
02:39 <wrtlprnft> i can report the problems
02:40 <spidey> oh yea
02:40 <spidey> gotta wait 28 minutes before i can do anything O_o
02:40 <spidey> got a 205mb file downloading
02:40 <wrtlprnft> that takes 28 minutes?
02:40 <spidey> no
02:40 <spidey> but when the person i'm downloading off of has a 45kb/s upload it does
02:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ok... DCC then? =p
02:41 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is ddc
02:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DDC: display data channel
02:41 <Luke-Jr> #wtf is dcc
02:41 <Luke-Jr> lame bot
02:41 <Luke-Jr> it should die
02:41 <Luke-Jr> for ignoring me
02:41 <wrtlprnft> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel
02:42 <Luke-Jr> DCC not DDC
02:42 <wrtlprnft> ah
02:42 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is dcc
02:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: dcc: nothing appropriate
02:42 <Luke-Jr> DCC - Direct client-to-client
02:42 <Luke-Jr> aka IRC file transfer
02:42 <Luke-Jr> =p
02:43 <wrtlprnft> i know
02:43 <spidey> need a choice
02:43 <wrtlprnft> uh
02:43 <wrtlprnft> won't work :(
02:43 <spidey> what flavor should i install this time?
02:43 <Luke-Jr> spidey: Lfs
02:43 * wrtlprnft suggests scp script.sh beta.armagetronad.net/home/mathias
02:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it's in my home dir
02:44 <Luke-Jr> tell me when you have it
02:45 <mkzelda> so, how do i get this boost
02:45 <Luke-Jr> emerge boost?
02:45 <wrtlprnft> emerge boost
02:45 <mkzelda> great
02:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: filename? o_O
02:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: cmhack-1.0.1.bz2 or smth
02:46 <mkzelda> threads recommended?
02:46 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: threads always good
02:46 <mkzelda> or any use flags
02:46 <Luke-Jr> USE=GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE
02:46 <mkzelda> USE="-bcp -bjam -debug -doc -pyste -static -threads -threadsonly"
02:47 <mkzelda> Luke-Jr, that flag is not supported in boost :/
02:48 <Luke-Jr> [ebuild R ] net-analyzer/netcat-110-r8 -GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE +crypt +ipv6 -static 107 kB
02:48 <Luke-Jr> so install netcat
02:50 <wrtlprnft> gone
02:50 <wrtlprnft> *done
02:52 <spidey> mmmm
02:52 <spidey> 7 minutes to download a 697mb iso
02:52 <spidey> O_o
02:52 <spidey> actually 10 minutes
02:52 <spidey> at 1,000 kb/s
02:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ok
02:53 <Luke-Jr> bzip2 -d it
02:53 <wrtlprnft> done already
02:54 <mkzelda> 10 mins to get 600 @ 1,000
02:54 <Luke-Jr> nmap -vv -p 80 '10.64.*.*' 2>&1 | ./cmhack | tee wrtl-20060702.cmhack-out
02:55 <wrtlprnft> empty file
02:55 <Luke-Jr> ...
02:55 <Luke-Jr> oh, might want to change 64 to *
02:55 <Luke-Jr> and it'll take some hours
02:56 <spidey> heh
02:56 <wrtlprnft> after some milliseconds still an empty file
02:56 <spidey> at 500 threads
02:56 <spidey> it'll take 48-72 hours
02:56 <spidey> to scan a entire range
02:57 <wrtlprnft> ah
02:57 <mkzelda> boost ebuild segfaults &*#$
02:57 <wrtlprnft> root@laptop # nmap -vv -p 80 '10.*.*.*' /home/mathias
02:57 <wrtlprnft> zsh: command not found: nmap
02:57 * spidey likes bash better
02:57 <mkzelda> heh emerge nmap
02:57 * wrtlprnft hates bash
02:58 <spidey> oh
02:58 <spidey> almost forgot to save my cockpits
02:58 <spidey> O_o
02:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you lack nmap? O.o
02:58 <mkzelda> ya crazy
02:58 <wrtlprnft> upload them to the repository
02:58 <spidey> ?
02:58 <wrtlprnft> and don't worry about deleting anything
02:59 <spidey> huh
02:59 <wrtlprnft> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/
02:59 <mkzelda> chicks love the cockpits
02:59 <spidey> hahah
02:59 <wrtlprnft> err
02:59 <spidey> ohhhh
03:00 <spidey> i can dual boot
03:00 <spidey> and not lose anything i forgot O_o
03:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/nmap.png
03:00 <wrtlprnft> O_o
03:00 <spidey> lol
03:01 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:01 <Luke-Jr> rwoar
03:02 <wrtlprnft> now it's doing *something*
03:02 * wrtlprnft waits to be blocked out by his router for scanning
03:03 <wrtlprnft> uh, how long's that gonna take approximately?
03:03 * wrtlprnft is tired
03:04 <spidey> lol
03:04 <spidey> i done said
03:04 <Luke-Jr> ?
03:04 <spidey> a full range scan
03:04 <spidey> at 500 threads
03:04 <spidey> 48 to 72 hours
03:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: it's single threaded
03:04 <spidey> omg
03:04 <spidey> that's gonna take forever
03:04 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:04 <wrtlprnft> i only did 10.64.*.*
03:04 <spidey> still gonna take a bit
03:04 <spidey> #g 254*254
03:04 <spidey> er
03:05 <wrtlprnft> am i the only one here allowed to use armabot?
03:05 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 2^16
03:05 <spidey> that's 65.5k ip's
03:05 <armabot> 2^16 = 65,536
03:05 <Luke-Jr> spidey: my latest development code is yet even slower
03:05 <spidey> O_o
03:05 <Luke-Jr> it grabs *all* info from the modems
03:05 <Luke-Jr> including logs
03:05 <wrtlprnft> o_O
03:05 <spidey> wait
03:06 <wrtlprnft> the tee output is pretty empty
03:06 <spidey> so i could rip my modems telnet password with it?
03:06 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no?
03:06 <wrtlprnft> now spidey is interested
03:06 <spidey> yes
03:06 <spidey> i been trying to crack my modems fuckin telnet password forever
03:06 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:06 <Luke-Jr> your modem has telnet?
03:06 <spidey> yea
03:06 <Luke-Jr> O.O
03:06 <spidey> i port scanned it
03:06 <spidey> it has httpd
03:07 <Luke-Jr> wtf modem is this?
03:07 <spidey> telnet
03:07 <spidey> smpt
03:07 <Luke-Jr> uh
03:07 <Luke-Jr> no modem has smtp
03:07 <spidey> yes it has a mail server
03:07 <spidey> wanna bet? ;)
03:07 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:07 <Luke-Jr> wtf modem is this?
03:07 <spidey> umm
03:07 <spidey> the one charter gives you
03:07 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:07 <Luke-Jr> that could be any modem
03:07 <spidey> scientific atlantic
03:07 <Luke-Jr> oh
03:07 <Luke-Jr> not sure if cmhack supports that
03:08 <spidey> oh
03:08 <spidey> i can get the logs
03:08 <Luke-Jr> It only supports crap on my cable network =p
03:08 <spidey> all i gotta do is unplug the coax
03:08 <spidey> and view it's webpage
03:08 <Luke-Jr> which is mostly Ambit and Webstar
03:08 <spidey> um
03:08 <spidey> it's a webstar port
03:08 <spidey> infact
03:09 <spidey> the webstar website is on the modem page
03:09 <spidey> brb , dogs
03:09 <wrtlprnft> its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its its
03:09 <mkzelda> tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits tits v
03:09 <ghableska> XD
03:10 <wrtlprnft> not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's
03:13 <wrtlprnft> night
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03:23 * spidey don't think wrtlprnft has the bandwith for that scan
03:23 <spidey> O_o
03:26 <Luke-Jr> spidey: single threaded scans don't use mcuh =p
03:26 <spidey> i know
03:26 <spidey> but he's dropping :p
03:27 <spidey> you know
03:27 <spidey> stealing cable on my isp when you already have services
03:27 <spidey> is worthless
03:27 <spidey> they only have 1 package
03:27 <spidey> that's "slow"
03:27 <spidey> lol
03:27 <Luke-Jr> 1 residential package
03:28 <spidey> 1 package period
03:28 <Luke-Jr> besides, 2 modems doubles your slow speed
03:28 <spidey> well
03:28 <spidey> i have 1 modem and 1 cable line
03:28 <spidey> if i had
03:28 <Luke-Jr> so buy another modem and a cable splitter
03:28 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:28 <spidey> 2 cable lines
03:28 <spidey> and 2 modems
03:28 <spidey> AND
03:29 <spidey> a dual wan router
03:29 <spidey> that combined conenctions
03:29 <spidey> then i'd have double
03:29 <Luke-Jr> get ahold of a WRT54G v4
03:29 <Luke-Jr> or just connect one directly to the PC
03:29 <spidey> but now days most dual wan routers only use the second connection as backup :/
03:29 <spidey> one to the pc
03:29 <spidey> what about the other?
03:30 <Luke-Jr> to wherever it currently goes
03:30 <Luke-Jr> ip route add default equalize nexthop via 192.168.77.1 dev eth0 nexthop via "${gwone}" dev eth1
03:30 <spidey> ok
03:30 <spidey> so
03:31 <Luke-Jr> I should run a DHCP server on my cable connection =p
03:31 <spidey> first modem > router > second modem > computer you want to have faster speeds
03:31 <Luke-Jr> start giving random people bad IPs
03:32 <spidey> oh yea....and lucifer was talking about me :p
03:32 <spidey> atleast i told the people there server needed to be updated :p
03:33 <Luke-Jr> lol
03:33 <Luke-Jr> if I told the cable co about all their problems, I'd probably end up in jail just for knowing them since they didn't want to fix em
03:33 <spidey> LOL
03:34 <Luke-Jr> anyway, just because I know *how* to do all this crap, doesn't mean I actually *do* it
03:35 <spidey> YEHAW!
03:38 <spidey> iso will be burned in 7 minutes
03:38 <spidey> O_o
03:38 <spidey> 3 minutes
03:38 <spidey> that's better
03:38 <spidey> 32x
03:39 <spidey> er
03:39 <spidey> still forgot my cockpits
03:39 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:39 <spidey> putting them on my 111gig backup drive
03:40 <Luke-Jr> put em on a floppy
03:40 <Luke-Jr> o_o
03:40 <spidey> don't have any i don't think
03:40 <Luke-Jr> usb stick
03:40 <spidey> nope
03:40 <spidey> just my backup drive :p
03:41 * Luke-Jr watches it crash
03:43 <spidey> :/
03:43 <spidey> bbiab
03:43 <spidey> 15-20 minutes
03:43 <Luke-Jr> sure
03:43 <Luke-Jr> you wish
03:43 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:43 <spidey> ok
03:43 <Luke-Jr> I'll be gone
03:43 <spidey> time me
03:44 <Luke-Jr> maybe
03:44 <spidey> better yet,i'll use my stop watch
03:44 <spidey> O_o
03:44 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:44 <spidey> ok starts when the install starts
03:44 <spidey> bbiab
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03:58 <mkzelda> *sigh* boost just wont build
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04:06 <spidey> pwned
04:06 <spidey> install time was
04:06 <spidey> 13 minutes and 24 seconds
04:07 <spidey> that includes reboots ;]
04:07 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.15-1-586tsc (Debian 2.6.15-3.ww1) (ww@mepis.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #2 PREEMPT Wed Feb 1 17:40:51 EST 2006
04:07 <spidey> 21:07:41 up 3 min, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.45, 0.19
04:07 <spidey> O_o
04:07 <spidey> Luke-Jr, how long did you think it would take me? :p
04:09 <spidey> er
04:09 <spidey> cat /dev/hda
04:09 <spidey> xd
04:29 <spidey> sweeeeeeeeeeeet
04:29 <spidey> with numlock on
04:29 <spidey> the numpad controls the mouse
04:29 <spidey> O_o
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04:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the crash mkzelda was having I blamed on you because it started right after you made a log entry that said "fixed moviepack floor rendering for my vid card" or something like that
04:39 <free-kill> Is rsync for sf's svn backup failing for anyone else, too?
04:39 <free-kill> (this is nemo)
04:40 <free-kill> "RSYNC_PROXY=rsync-svn.sourceforge.net:80 rsync -a rsync-svn-g::svn/armagetronad/* ." is the command
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I don't know
04:40 * Lucifer_arma wonders how he'd even check it
04:40 <free-kill> the example project the give, gaim, works
04:40 <free-kill> they gave*
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> rsync -a rsync-svn-a::svn/armagetronad/* /backup/armagetronad/svnrepo
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I've got
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, this too, before that
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> export RSYNC_PROXY=rsync-svn.sourceforge.net:80
04:42 <free-kill> Ok, now it's working...
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> you have a g that doesn't belong
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> svn-g:: <--- in there
04:42 <free-kill> Error in their example, oops
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> not if their example is gaim, that's supposed to be the first letter of your project :)
04:42 <free-kill> ahh
04:43 <free-kill> (almost bedtime)
04:55 <spidey> growl
04:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, where's xorg.conf stored?
04:55 <spidey> i found xorg.cf but it's not the right one
04:56 <free-kill> locate xorg.conf
04:56 <spidey> did
04:59 <spidey> bah
04:59 <spidey> they renamed it
04:59 <spidey> xserver-xorg.conf
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05:06 <spidey> O_o
05:06 <spidey> reboot!
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05:11 <spidey> 1280x1024 is so much better than 1024x780
05:30 <spidey> hey Luke-Jr ?
05:34 <spidey> 1024x768spidey@1[~]$ locate armagetron
05:34 <spidey> locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
05:34 <spidey> spidey@1[~]$ armagetron
05:34 <spidey> bash: armagetron: command not found
05:34 <spidey> O_o
05:35 <free-kill> isn't it armagetronad?
05:35 <free-kill> unless you're running 0.2.6.0
05:35 <spidey> yea but it should locate it anyways
05:35 <spidey> it searches for anything with "armagetron" in it
05:35 <spidey> spidey@1[~]$ locate Self_Destructo
05:35 <spidey> locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
05:35 <spidey> spidey@1[~]$ locate Anonymous
05:35 <spidey> locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old
05:35 <spidey> bah
05:36 <spidey> all i want is the resource file so i can put my cockpits in it :/
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05:38 <spidey> i found the settings file
05:38 <spidey> but no resource file :/
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05:40 <Lucifer_arma> resources are in PREFIX/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated/resource
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> however
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> you should put the ones you make in ~/.armagetronad/resource/automatic (or wherever it is)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> and make sure you conform to the filepath spec :)
05:48 * spidey doesn't like konqueror
06:02 <spidey> gah @ remote desktop client not working
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06:43 <Vanhayes> #night
06:43 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:50 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5568 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: test commit for SVK testing
08:53 <free-kill> now I just have to figure out how to use SVK.
08:59 <joda_bot> http://woop.dnsalias.com/trounce.html
08:59 <joda_bot> Just found this one ;)
09:00 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: z-man: wrtlprnft: and perhaps someone likes this one ? http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/SaarCOR/
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11:33 <Lucifer_arma> #dict balance
11:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: easton, wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Balance \Bal"ance\, v. i. 1. To have equal weight on each side; to be in equipoise; as, the scales balance. [1913 Webster] 2. To fluctuate between motives which appear of equal force; to waver; to hesitate. [1913 Webster] He would not balance or err in the determination of his choice. --Locke. [1913 Webster] 3. (41 more messages)
12:02 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speedTheater-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
12:12 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speedTheater-0.1.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
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12:25 <joda_bot> #msg guru3* you still want to blame luke in the topic ;)
12:26 <joda_bot> guru3: you still want to blame luke in the topic ;)
12:26 <Luke-Jr> ./
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my budget program now shows transactions and totals the accounts
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> just need to add budgeting and it's ready for use :)
12:39 <Luke-Jr> KSpread?
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's a program
12:44 <guru3> joda_bot: luke has never said otherwise
12:48 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/football-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> the question to answer after I wake up is "Should budget be a separate object from account? If so, what is their relationship?"
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> 'night (morning, really)
13:12 <joda_bot> #msg nemo* http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=61811#61811
13:12 <joda_bot> #alias
13:12 <joda_bot> ...
13:12 <joda_bot> ok
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13:14 <Brooky> Hi guys
13:17 <Brooky> what is port 79 used for?
13:18 <madmax|pt> finger
13:18 <madmax|pt> according to the ports.txt i have here
13:19 <Brooky> what is that?
13:19 <madmax|pt> IRC> CTCP Finger
13:19 <Brooky> but, what does it do?
13:22 <madmax|pt> Software that allows you find out more information about an Internet user, such as their real name and if they are logged in at the present moment.
13:22 <madmax|pt> didnt quite remember
13:24 <Brooky> Ok
13:25 <Brooky> right, i have a problem with armagetron
13:25 <Brooky> i have set keys to turn
13:25 <wrtlprnft> #morning
13:25 <Brooky> but the maximum that work at a time is 2
13:25 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success. || -- Christopher Lascl
13:26 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr
13:26 <Brooky> hi wrtl
13:26 <wrtlprnft> 10.64.0.101: Modem: Unknown (MD5 178178331f564dc684b16de0cab55a24)
13:26 <wrtlprnft> 10.64.0.103: Modem: Unknown (MD5 178178331f564dc684b16de0cab55a24)
13:26 <wrtlprnft> 10.64.0.106: Modem: Unknown (MD5 178178331f564dc684b16de0cab55a24)
13:26 <wrtlprnft> 10.64.0.107: Modem: Unknown (MD5 178178331f564dc684b16de0cab55a24)
13:26 <wrtlprnft> that's it
13:26 <madmax|pt> Brooky, only two working is good =P
13:27 <guru3> madmax|pt: that's not exactly what ctcp fingering is
13:27 <Brooky> what is it then?
13:28 <guru3> good question
13:28 <guru3> but it's not a guarenteed way to find out someone's name
13:28 <guru3> that's for sure
13:28 <Brooky> ok
13:28 <Brooky> how could
13:28 <madmax|pt> wait, that was kind of obvious?
13:28 <Brooky> it get their name anyway
13:30 <madmax|pt> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Afinger&btnG=Google+Search
13:32 <Brooky> ok
13:36 <joda_bot> #help
13:36 <armabot> joda_bot: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
13:36 <joda_bot> ah it's back
13:36 <joda_bot> #help msg
13:36 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: There is no command "msg".
13:37 <joda_bot> #help message
13:37 <armabot> joda_bot: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
13:37 <joda_bot> #msg does this result in an erro
13:38 <Brooky> looks like it
13:38 <Brooky> lol
13:39 <wrtlprnft> spidey|sleep: the HUD map bug on BF Deathmap seems to be fixed in the trunk/future 0.3.1
13:39 <Brooky> i think hes asleep
13:39 <Brooky> lol
13:42 <wrtlprnft> if his irc client is any good it'll appear in his awaylog
13:42 * wrtlprnft pats IRSSI
13:42 <Brooky> #wtf is IRSSI
13:42 <armabot> Brooky: IRSSI: nothing appropriate
13:42 <wrtlprnft> but since he isn't even marked away i doubt it will work
13:43 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia IRSSI
13:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.30 seconds: Irssi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irssi>; User:Aphrael Runestar/colourtextrep.pl - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aphrael_Runestar/colourtextrep.pl>; Wikipedia:Scripts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Scripts>; User:Aphrael Runestar/textrep.pl - (2 more messages)
13:44 <Brooky> Ok
13:44 <Brooky> i get what it is now
13:45 <Brooky> is it any good?
13:45 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r5569 /armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/winlibs/win32/code_blocks/SDL_mixer.cbp: SDL_SURROUND is not required (already defined in headers)
13:45 <Brooky> what does it mean when armabot say things like that?
13:46 <joda_bot> Brooky: that I (yarrt/joda_bot) commited a change to the armagetron source ode
13:46 <joda_bot> code
13:47 <Brooky> ok
13:47 <joda_bot> in this case .. I just updated a project file ;)
13:47 <Brooky> which was....
13:49 <Brooky> how is the version 0.3
13:49 <Brooky> is it still buggy?
13:49 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is FTW
13:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FTW: nothing appropriate
13:49 <Brooky> lol
13:55 <Brooky> g2g
13:55 <Brooky> bye
13:59 <madmax|pt> cya
14:10 <madmax|pt> have you guys thought about doing something on the chatbot intelligence?
14:10 <madmax|pt> like, make it *not* turn against walls?
14:11 <madmax|pt> and yes, i also agree on the "play, not chat", but its usefull sometimes
14:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah, I'd really like it not to do *really* stupid things
14:12 <wrtlprnft> but it shouldn't play too well, definitely not like a real AI (ever tried to kill Armagetron on fortress? tricky buisness)
14:13 <madmax|pt> yeah
14:13 <madmax|pt> even a "go straight" option would be nice
14:22 <joda_bot> go straight except emergency ...
14:22 <joda_bot> then pick the area with more room ? ;)
14:27 <madmax|pt> just GO STRAIGHT
14:27 <madmax|pt> lol
14:27 <guru3> that's how the chat ai works
14:28 <wrtlprnft> I think the reason why the chatbot currently turns into a wall is that it just tries to turn where there is no wall
14:28 <madmax|pt> well, i guess "he" finds some weird emergency situations then
14:28 <wrtlprnft> just, after it turns a wall appears from a paralell player
14:33 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: you're right, AFAIK the AI turns to prevent crashing into a wall but it does so about 2 seonds ahead ;)
14:35 <madmax|pt> 2 seconds? hmm... i wonder about high speed chat
14:36 <guru3> well the chat bot only checks for stuff ever couple of seconds really
14:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, I'll have to look inside the code. I'd really like it to never turn in the open field
14:36 <guru3> like every second or tenth of a second
14:37 <joda_bot> might be rubber triggered ;)
14:37 <joda_bot> if the rubber kicks in start turning all the time :-)
14:37 <joda_bot> spiral of death
14:38 <guru3> actually
14:38 <guru3> a chatbot that went left right left right left right on the diagonal
14:38 <guru3> would probably be the hardest chat bot to beat
14:39 <madmax|pt> good point
14:39 <joda_bot> it's not about being beaten ;)
14:40 <guru3> it's about staying alive
14:40 <guru3> which is about not being beaten
14:40 <guru3> "ah ah ah ah staying alive, staying alive!"
14:40 <joda_bot> it's about go straight, and if the player does not act, then spiral to death to make him learn to stop chattin in time ;)
14:40 <joda_bot> go*ing*
14:40 <joda_bot> but only if he's really close to a wall
14:40 <guru3> wouldn't you rather have a crooked chatbot?
14:41 <guru3> i'm sure the mobsters would perfer a crooked chatbot
14:41 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:41 <guru3> i mean could you honestly expect someone from the yuzuka to go
14:41 * madmax|pt is looking at a local game with chat bot on
14:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd love to have a chatbot that just mazes all the time
14:41 <guru3> "YES! GIVE US THE STRAIGHT CHAT BOT"
14:41 <guru3> "CAUSE IT FOLLOWS ALL THE RULES JUST LIKE US"
14:41 <guru3> honestly
14:41 <guru3> crooked has a bigger market
14:42 <wrtlprnft> gah, remind me to change single player mode so the console enables the chatbot there, too
14:42 <guru3> that's probably something i could write
14:42 <guru3> actually what would be fun
14:42 <guru3> is a chatbot scripting language
14:43 <guru3> i wonder if i could work out a way to do that...
14:44 <guru3> and before anyone asks
14:44 <guru3> hell no would i do it in xml
14:51 <wrtlprnft> something tells me guru3 doesn't like XML
14:51 <wrtlprnft> then the chatbot can't be a resource :(
14:51 <guru3> can't you embed plain text in an xml
14:51 <wrtlprnft> sure you can
14:51 <guru3> i might go for that
14:51 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
14:51 <wrtlprnft> good luck
14:51 <guru3> i'm just sort of thinking about it for now
14:52 <wrtlprnft> that means, come back for results in a year? jk
14:52 <guru3> quite possibly
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15:34 <guru3> buahahaha
15:34 <guru3> a friend is getting pissed off cause i say his 3-4-3-7 ram timings are slow :P
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15:54 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5570 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/prototype.cpp: test from SVK
15:59 <guru3> god don't we just run up the revisions :S
16:01 <Brooky> im back
16:05 <guru3> wb
16:05 <Brooky> thx
16:14 <joda_bot> #notes
16:14 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, McSpiddles, nemo*, phil, someone, spidey, and SuPeRTaRD.
16:20 <Luke-Jr> .
16:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: console in SP should just pause the game =p
16:25 <Luke-Jr> guru3: <when><condition><at x="me.x + me.direction.x * 10" y="me.y + me.direction.y * 10" /><anything /></at></condition><action><turn angle="-1axis"></action></when>
16:25 <Luke-Jr> guru3: XML can work for chatbots ;)
16:25 <guru3> maybe
16:26 <guru3> but it doesn't look like much fun to write :S
16:26 <Luke-Jr> and unless you know BISON, you don't want to try any real language syntax
16:26 <Luke-Jr> maybe not for a programmer
16:26 <Luke-Jr> but I imagine it's more clear to a non-programmer
16:26 <Luke-Jr> now efficient implementation might be a bit harder ;)
16:27 <Luke-Jr> obviously we don't want to go parse and evaluate it every single frame we're in chatbot mode
16:27 <Luke-Jr> so you'd need to parse it when it's loaded, and convert values into tValues
16:28 <Luke-Jr> and maybe get tValue to cache its results when the target variables are unchanged
16:28 <Luke-Jr> and from there, get tValue to support a full condition
16:31 <guru3> something... i suppose
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5571 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/prototype.h):
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: r9@queue: lee | 2006-07-03 10:18:34 -0400
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: test 1 from SVK
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5572 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. src/prototype.cpp):
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: r10@queue: lee | 2006-07-03 10:19:04 -0400
16:31 <armabot> armagetronad: test 2 from svk
16:31 <guru3> gah
16:32 <free-kill> hmm
16:32 <free-kill> that was the last test
16:33 <guru3> geh?
16:33 <guru3> who's free-kill?
16:33 <free-kill> (nemo)
16:33 <guru3> mm k
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17:08 <guru3> any idea whose aim is 'e blind tron' ?
17:09 <joda_bot> yes
17:09 <joda_bot> guru3: that's joni
17:09 <guru3> who's joni?
17:10 <joda_bot> he's ok, he asked some questions about maps and wrtlprnft helped him host a ladder script for his server
17:10 <guru3> well
17:10 <guru3> he sounds like he's pissed off at me
17:10 <joda_bot> Might be he tried to contact you, but you didn't answer not sure
17:11 <joda_bot> otherwise just ask him ? ;)
17:11 <guru3> E Blind Tron: hello
17:11 <guru3> E Blind Tron: >what r u gay like me<
17:11 <guru3> E Blind Tron: why dont u kik me from clan
17:11 <guru3> E Blind Tron: coz im shit
17:11 <joda_bot> huh ?
17:11 <guru3> that's what he messaged me
17:11 <joda_bot> investigating ;)
17:12 <guru3> yeah
17:12 <joda_bot> what clan anyway ?
17:12 <joda_bot> does not make sense, he might just have got the wrong chat window :)
17:12 <guru3> it's not like there'd be an open chat window from me to him
17:13 <guru3> ive only gotten one message from him before that ive missed according to my logs
17:13 <guru3> and that was just a 'hi'
17:13 <joda_bot> good question
17:13 <joda_bot> he does not answer
17:13 <joda_bot> right now
17:13 <guru3> i wish i could figure out how to use bitlbee to message
17:14 <guru3> without adding people to the buddy list
17:14 <joda_bot> what's bitlbee ?
17:14 <guru3> irc im gateway
17:15 <joda_bot> I'm using gaim and i've just one big group for all armagetron related contact and add them there
17:17 <guru3> i use bitlbee so i can use irssi in a screen
17:17 <guru3> and ssh to home to connect to all rt comms
17:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, sure, I'll see what i can do
17:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eh?
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17:59 <wrtlprnft> 16:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: console in SP should just pause the game =p
17:59 <Luke-Jr> oh
17:59 <wrtlprnft> don't remember what you said?
18:04 <Brooky> im back
18:11 <Luke-Jr> wtf
18:11 <Luke-Jr> up till 95%, the torrent goes 10 K/s - 30 K/s
18:11 <Luke-Jr> now at 95%, it shoots up to 250 K/s
18:11 <Luke-Jr> anxious for another seed? lol
18:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: any results yet?
18:14 <Brooky> E Blind Tron: helloE Blind Tron: >what r u gay like me<
18:14 <Brooky> E Blind Tron: why dont u kik me from clan
18:14 <Brooky> E Blind Tron: coz im shit
18:14 <Brooky> when did i say that?
18:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: look up
18:25 <wrtlprnft> scrollback
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19:11 <Brooky> Hi z
19:13 <wrtlprnft> Hi -
19:13 * wrtlprnft waits for someone to say hi man
19:13 <Brooky> lol
19:15 <wrtlprnft> aww noone? boring channel
19:17 <guru3> hi man
19:18 <joda_bot> hai, mann
19:21 -!- Sakireth [n=sakireth@linth.xs4all.nl] has joined #armagetron
19:21 <Sakireth> Heh.
19:22 <Sakireth> Has anyone seen me @ tron?
19:22 <joda_bot> no, guess not ?
19:22 <Sakireth> Oh.
19:22 <Sakireth> Too bad :P
19:22 <joda_bot> except you're lackadaisical ?
19:22 <Sakireth> What?
19:22 <joda_bot> or spidey
19:23 <joda_bot> or nemo
19:23 <joda_bot> :-)
19:23 <Sakireth> ..
19:23 <Sakireth> no
19:23 <Sakireth> I am Sakireth.
19:23 * joda_bot hopes Sakireth figured it out by now ;)
19:23 <Sakireth> Hmm?
19:23 <Sakireth> I still haven't.
19:24 <Sakireth> Tell me.
19:24 <joda_bot> There are quite a few players around who use different nicknames
19:24 <guru3> he's saying he hasn't seen you
19:24 <joda_bot> to be anonymoues ;)
19:24 <Sakireth> Okay :P
19:24 <joda_bot> guru3: that too ;)
19:24 <Sakireth> I just use Sakireth
19:24 <Sakireth> =)
19:24 <joda_bot> that's cool, I just use ~*SP*~joda.bot
19:25 <Sakireth> But you're no bot.
19:25 <free-kill> I'm usually a word from /usr/share/dict/words
19:25 <Sakireth> bot
19:25 <Sakireth> hmm
19:25 <Sakireth> !help
19:25 <Sakireth> !version
19:25 <Sakireth> @version
19:25 <Sakireth> .versio
19:25 <Sakireth> .version
19:25 <free-kill> #help
19:25 <Sakireth> ,version
19:25 <armabot> free-kill: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
19:25 <Sakireth> #version
19:25 <armabot> Sakireth: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.1.
19:25 <Sakireth> #add
19:25 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add".
19:26 <Sakireth> #rootkit implement IzL0
19:26 <Sakireth> #ping 127.0.0.1 80 600000
19:26 <armabot> pong
19:26 <Sakireth> ^_^
19:26 <Sakireth> sorry
19:26 <Sakireth> felt like faking a hack :P
19:31 <spidey|sleep> ...
19:31 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey
19:31 <Sakireth> welcome back, spidey.
19:31 <spidey> ty
19:31 <Sakireth> *once programmed a DDoS bot in perl*
19:32 <spidey> .....
19:32 -!- z-man-home [n=manuel@p50872167.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
19:32 <spidey> gay
19:32 <Sakireth> But i'm not a hacker anymore.
19:32 <Sakireth> :P
19:32 <guru3> hi z
19:32 <Sakireth> And i use python now, anyways.
19:32 <spidey> DDoS bots aren't hacking :)
19:32 <Sakireth> I know.
19:33 <Sakireth> Programming your own exploits, getting into a system, collecting information, and leaving.
19:33 <Sakireth> That's hacking
19:33 <Sakireth> :P
19:33 <spidey> no it's not
19:33 <Sakireth> Well cracking is harming a system.
19:33 <spidey> that's the medias term of a hacker
19:33 <Sakireth> White-hats, Black-hats, Grey-hats - i know the story.
19:34 <Sakireth> I am too lazy to type it out once again.
19:34 <Sakireth> So just leave it at I know what Hacker means.
19:34 * spidey has a ignore list of over 10,000 people from yahoo that claims to be hackers...mixed with wanna-be creditcard theifs
19:34 <Sakireth> spidey: Heh.
19:35 <Sakireth> spidey: I know 12 programming languages. Can program in sockets, made IRC bots, am on Linux.
19:35 <spidey> ?
19:35 <Sakireth> spidey: That's different from a wannabe =)
19:35 <spidey> didn't say you was.....
19:35 * wrtlprnft gave up counting programming languages he knows
19:35 <Sakireth> ok ^^
19:36 <spidey> i just said i had a 10k ignore list of them
19:36 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: Yeah, me too :P
19:36 <Sakireth> The most important one i know is python
19:36 <Sakireth> my favourite ^^
19:36 <wrtlprnft> python is the one i don't know too well
19:36 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: A byte of python.
19:36 <wrtlprnft> though i did a plugin for armabot in it
19:36 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: For people with trouble learning python. I learned python that way, that was the only book that worked for me.
19:36 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: www.byteofpython.info
19:37 * wrtlprnft wonders if there's a way to give IRSSI a key that opens the last posted URI in opera
19:37 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: Script your own?
19:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm, gotta mess around with perl then
19:38 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: I hate irssi scripting >_)>
19:38 <guru3> but isn't perl fun, fun, fun? :D
19:39 * wrtlprnft wonders if a plugin like that already exists
19:39 <Sakireth> I don't know
19:39 <Sakireth> Why not use the new X-Chat?
19:39 <wrtlprnft> can't put that into a screen session
19:39 <Sakireth> You on the console?
19:39 <guru3> vive le' screne
19:39 <guru3> *screen
19:39 <Sakireth> Too lazy to configure X? :P
19:40 * wrtlprnft just mentioned he uses opera
19:40 <guru3> it's probably more like
19:40 <guru3> the multiple benefits
19:40 <Sakireth> By the way.. I know the PERFECT distro for you guys
19:40 <guru3> of running irssi in a screen
19:40 <wrtlprnft> gentoo!
19:40 <Sakireth> no compile times, super-fast.. not bloated.
19:40 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: Better.
19:41 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: As good as gentoo, only without the compile times. You can still compile, though
19:41 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: Arch linux ^_^
19:41 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: www.archlinux.org
19:41 <Sakireth> Read the about section :)
19:41 <guru3> i run gentoo
19:41 <Sakireth> I did, too.
19:41 <Sakireth> But got sick of it
19:41 <Sakireth> It's not useful for people without time.
19:42 * wrtlprnft has time
19:42 <Sakireth> Just visit that website about Arch.
19:42 <guru3> there's no package for xgl
19:42 <guru3> so i'd rather use gentoo
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 19:43 CTCP VERSION reply from guru3: irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i686
19:43 <Sakireth> How do you know that?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> didn't know that was possible :D
19:44 <Sakireth> [robin@fantasyminded ~]$ pacman -Ss xgl
19:44 <Sakireth> shadowhand/glxcompmgr-cvs 20060608-1
19:44 <Sakireth> Composite manager for Xgl
19:44 <Sakireth> shadowhand/mesa-xgl-cvs 20060608-1
19:44 <Sakireth> Mesa DRI OpenGL library and drivers
19:44 <Sakireth> shadowhand/xgl-cvs 20060608-1
19:44 <Sakireth> OpenGL accelerated X server
19:44 * wrtlprnft though pacman was a game
19:44 <wrtlprnft> *thought
19:44 <Sakireth> Package Manager.
19:45 <guru3> Sakireth: i chacked on the website
19:45 <guru3> "No Matches"
19:45 <guru3> and doesn't frugalware use pacman as well?
19:45 <Sakireth> guru3: You have to enable shadowhands's repository.
19:45 <Sakireth> guru3: That one is actually BASED on arch i think
19:45 <guru3> beats me
19:45 <Sakireth> guru3: Check the wiki about comparing other distro's with Arch
19:45 <guru3> but i'm plenty happy with gentoo
19:46 <Sakireth> guru3: Then check the differences between gentoo and Arch
19:46 <Sakireth> If you're too lazy, i'll paste it.
19:46 <guru3> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others#Arch_vs_Gentoo
19:46 <wrtlprnft> that a threat?
19:46 * wrtlprnft notes guru3 doesn't like pastes
19:46 <guru3> " x64 user-based spinoff projects are underway"
19:46 <Sakireth> That one, yes.
19:46 <guru3> so that means
19:47 <guru3> there's no official x64 support?
19:47 <guru3> i'll defineteyl take gentoo then
19:47 <Sakireth> You have x64?
19:47 <Sakireth> visit #archlinux
19:47 <guru3> x3
19:47 <guru3> so what useful piece of information did i just garner by doing that?
19:48 <Sakireth> Your system is not compatible with it?
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19:48 <guru3> ?
19:49 * wrtlprnft 's quite happy with gentoo right now
19:49 * wrtlprnft might try archlinux the next time he gets a new machine
19:49 * guru3 concurs
19:50 <spidey> people without time?
19:50 <spidey> mepis installed for me in 13 minutes and 24 seconds
19:50 <spidey> i timed it :)
19:50 <guru3> i think my record gentoo install is about 4 hours...
19:51 * wrtlprnft things guru3 must have plenty of time with all his gentoo boxes
19:51 <wrtlprnft> *thinks
19:51 <Sakireth> yeah.
19:51 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: But i love arch. only right distro for me.
19:51 * wrtlprnft notes gentoo isn't a distribution
19:51 <guru3> of course i do
19:51 <guru3> i sleep at night
19:51 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: Don't try ubuntu. The new release is so bloated it is very much slower than any linux distro and even Windows.
19:51 <spidey> not really
19:51 * wrtlprnft once tried kubuntu and its installer sucked
19:51 <spidey> the new distro ran just fine for me
19:52 <Sakireth> spidey: On my pc it was.
19:52 <wrtlprnft> didn't let me configure a proxy
19:52 <spidey> mine it runs like any other does
19:52 <Sakireth> wrtlprnft: You tried KUBUNTU - not Ubuntu!
19:52 <spidey> 2.2ghz and 376mb ram
19:52 <Sakireth> spidey: Well anyways Ubunt is not for the window-manager lover.
19:53 <spidey> i loved it :)
19:53 <Sakireth> spidey: and the command line lover.
19:53 <Sakireth> spidey: And the scripting lover.
19:53 <Sakireth> spidey: DANG! NOW I AM IN THE NEED FOR OPENBOX
19:53 * Sakireth drools
19:53 <Sakireth> Gotta love opencox.
19:53 <Sakireth> Box*
19:53 <guru3> lol
19:53 <Sakireth> No, fluxbox maybe..
19:53 <Sakireth> Yeah, fluxbox it will be! (A)
19:54 <Sakireth> I LOVE FLUXBOX! ^_^
19:54 <guru3> i like gentoo for my gui
19:54 <Sakireth> You never want to see my .xinitrc.
19:54 <Sakireth> I will show it.
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19:55 <Sakireth> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1006
19:55 * wrtlprnft uses kde and is happy
19:55 * wrtlprnft hates gnome like hell
19:56 <guru3> but we unite under the gentoo flag eh wrtlprnft?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:56 <Sakireth> I still don't like gentoo
19:56 <Sakireth> You need a lot of time
19:56 <guru3> vive le useflags
19:56 <Sakireth> And i'm a busy person.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> vive le rc-update
19:56 <Sakireth> I am 14 years of age. School and stuff..
19:56 <guru3> we can't help it if your computer is slow :P
19:56 * wrtlprnft 's 17
19:56 * guru3 's 18
19:57 * Sakireth 's hungry
19:57 * Sakireth gets a pizza
19:57 * guru3 's about to eat dinner
19:57 * Sakireth already ate dinner
19:57 * wrtlprnft just ate supper
19:57 * Sakireth eats guru3
19:57 <guru3> lol
19:57 <guru3> bbl
19:57 <wrtlprnft> lots of talking with european guys now
19:57 <Sakireth> bbq
19:57 <Sakireth> bye*
19:58 <Sakireth> Heh.
19:58 <Sakireth> I am from the netherlands.
19:58 <Sakireth> lemme restart X
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19:58 <wrtlprnft> Sakireth is barbecuing guru3? lol
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20:01 <wrtlprnft> Sakireth: had fun barbecuing guru3?
20:01 <wrtlprnft> 19:57 <Sakireth> bbq
20:01 <Sakireth> lol
20:01 <Sakireth> back
20:01 <Sakireth> in fluxbox
20:03 <wrtlprnft> changing window managers every few minutes?
20:04 * wrtlprnft notes that if you were using irssi in a screen you wouldn't have had to logout from freenode to restart X11
20:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speedTheater-0.2.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
20:09 <wrtlprnft> woo new map :)
20:09 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: those maps have been added / modified all day ;)
20:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: dispatch-config
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20:10 <Luke-Jr> guru3: you think USE flags are useful... ;)
20:12 <spidey> O_o
20:12 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no, but that map i tried and i liked an older version
20:12 <wrtlprnft> and this one is even better
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20:13 <Sakireth> back.
20:15 * wrtlprnft mentions screen and irssi again
20:17 <Sakireth> *sets up his flux*
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20:22 * wrtlprnft mentions screen and irssi again
20:23 <wrtlprnft> and, can't you just kill your WM instead of killing your X?
20:25 <Sakireth> Yes i can.
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20:27 <spidey> Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed.
20:27 <spidey> argh
20:27 * spidey slaps krdp
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> who needs remote desktop?
20:28 <spidey> me
20:28 <Sakireth> YAY! i made a respawning terminaL!
20:28 <wrtlprnft> there's ssh and X11 forwarding
20:28 <spidey> so i can connect to my windows box
20:28 <Sakireth> (while [ true ]; do urxvt -name systerm -title "System Terminal"; done )&
20:28 <spidey> yes i know
20:28 <spidey> i'm not connectiong from windows to linux
20:28 <spidey> i'm connecting from linux to windows
20:28 <spidey> hence i need a rdp client :)
20:29 <wrtlprnft> install cygwin/ssh on the windows box
20:29 <spidey> ......
20:29 <wrtlprnft> format the windows box and install linux
20:29 <spidey> NO
20:29 <spidey> i've got one nix box and that's all i'm having
20:29 <spidey> :)
20:30 <Sakireth> wow
20:30 <spidey> ?
20:34 <spidey> Couldn't find your OpenSSL library installation dir
20:34 <spidey> Use --with-openssl option to fix this problem
20:34 <spidey> :/
20:36 <spidey> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://apt.mepis.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.mepis.org_3.4_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
20:36 <spidey> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://apt.mepis.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/apt.mepis.org_3.4_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
20:36 <spidey> that's gay
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20:43 <Brooky> im back
20:45 <Sakireth> wb
20:46 <Brooky> thx
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20:52 <Brooky> wb
20:52 <Sakireth> thx
20:52 <Brooky> what do you keep doing that for?
20:53 <guru3> Luke-Jr: they come in handy every now and then
20:54 <Brooky> wb guru
20:54 <guru3> thnx
20:55 -!- Sakireth [n=sakireth@linth.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:55 <Brooky> where did you go?
20:56 <guru3> dinner
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20:56 <Brooky> ok
20:56 <Brooky> what is he playing at?
20:56 <guru3> had some sausage & hot dog
20:57 <Brooky> ok lol
20:57 <guru3> beats me
20:57 <Brooky> im having a bbq
20:57 <guru3> cool cool
20:57 <Brooky> lol
20:57 <Brooky> i got some
20:57 <Brooky> i got 3
20:57 <guru3> 3 what
20:57 <Brooky> rats
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20:57 <Brooky> lol
20:58 <guru3> bbqed rat?
20:58 <Brooky> no
20:58 <guru3> aw
20:58 <guru3> was gonna say that sounded funky
20:58 <Brooky> remember?
20:58 <Brooky> lol
20:58 <Sakireth> setting Fluxbox :P
20:58 <Brooky> ok
20:58 <guru3> with screen you wouldn't have disconnected
20:58 <Brooky> what is fluxbox?
20:58 <guru3> a window manager for linux
20:59 <guru3> light weight
20:59 <Brooky> ok
20:59 <Brooky> i didnt know because i run windows
20:59 <guru3> n
20:59 <guru3> p
20:59 <Brooky> lol
20:59 <guru3> but i don't remember
21:01 <Brooky> brb
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21:04 <Brooky> back
21:04 <guru3> wb
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21:07 <madmax|pt> hi Van
21:08 -!- joda_bo1 [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-035-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
21:09 <Brooky> YO VAN
21:12 <guru3> lol
21:13 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
21:13 <Vanhayes> Hello
21:13 <Brooky> bit of a delay there
21:13 <Brooky> lol
21:14 <guru3> also hello from me
21:14 <Vanhayes> hey guru3
21:14 <Vanhayes> hey Brooky
21:14 <Brooky> lol
21:14 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt
21:14 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
21:14 <guru3> :)
21:14 <Brooky> lol
21:15 <guru3> hrhr
21:16 <Brooky> what does hrhr mean?
21:16 <Brooky> i never understood
21:17 <guru3> it's a laugh of sorts
21:17 <guru3> semi chuckle
21:18 <Brooky> ok
21:18 <Brooky> lool
21:18 <Brooky> typo
21:18 <Brooky> brb
21:18 <guru3> k
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21:19 <guru3> watching csi miami
21:19 <guru3> it's pretty bad :/
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21:25 <spidey> 15:26:06 up 16:18, 1 user, load average: 0.98, 0.39, 0.33
21:26 <spidey> compiling and loads still aren't that bad O_o
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21:27 <Luke-Jr> guru3: I was comparing them to my plans =p
21:27 <guru3> eh?
21:27 <spidey> umm oops
21:28 <guru3> missed the context
21:28 <guru3> lol
21:28 <guru3> btw
21:29 <guru3> Luke-Jr: do you still want the bit in the topic?
21:29 <spidey> Luke-Jr, you still have the password to my server? lol
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5573 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5563 to 5572:
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: r5567 | z-man | 2006-07-02 23:29:40 +0200 (Sun, 02 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Added removed, auto-generated files to ignore list.
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Basic countermeasures against CPU lag
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:30 <guru3> Oo
21:36 <Luke-Jr> guru3: yeah
21:36 <Luke-Jr> spidey: which one? O.o
21:36 <spidey> the one with the ssh account
21:36 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:36 <Luke-Jr> all servers have ssh accounts
21:36 * spidey formated and forgot to save his password O_o
21:36 <spidey> um
21:36 <Luke-Jr> fallin-angels or the one you just installed?
21:36 <spidey> fallin-angels
21:37 <Luke-Jr> hm think so
21:37 <spidey> pm it to me,lol
21:37 <Luke-Jr> if nowhere else, my logs
21:37 <Luke-Jr> PM? why not just say it here? =p
21:37 <spidey> mmm
21:37 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddlies
21:37 -!- McSpiddlies is now known as McSpiddles
21:37 <ghableska> o_O
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21:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5574 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
21:48 <armabot> armagetronad: "Lag turn" bugfix. Sometimes, the server would initiate a cycle turn and mark
21:48 <armabot> armagetronad: the turn command as exectued, but the cycle was unable to execute the turn right
21:48 <armabot> armagetronad: away. The following inconsistent sync message confused the client.
21:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5575 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gGame.cpp gGame.h): More CPU latency improvements. After network traffic comes in, the server first simulates the game objects that received commands and sends out sycns, then does the rest.
21:49 <guru3> ack lots of text
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I got a message?
21:55 <wrtlprnft> at least they're good commit messages
21:56 <wrtlprnft> compared to what Luke-Jr writes
21:56 * Lucifer_arma likes to put 'Fixed that thing' for his commit messages
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21:56 <guru3> Luke-Jr: lol
21:56 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: lol
21:56 <guru3> not lol to luke
21:57 <Luke-Jr> <.<
21:57 <guru3> stupid two people starting with lu ><
21:59 * Luke-Jr was lu first ?
21:59 <guru3> yes
21:59 <guru3> i did lu tab
21:59 <Luke-Jr> so Lucifer_arma gets to change his name :)
21:59 <guru3> and luke came out first
22:00 <Luke-Jr> hehe-- imagine if you wanted to chat with Luke-III =p
22:01 <guru3> ><
22:01 -!- You're now known as luwrtlprnft
22:01 <guru3> haha
22:01 <guru3> so much for tab completion ><
22:02 <Luke-Jr> AA's works
22:02 <guru3> it goes by
22:02 <guru3> the last person that talked in irssi i think :(
22:02 <luwrtlprnft> what about Jr-Luke?
22:02 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:09 <z-man-home> Well, Lucifer_arma could rename to Arma_Lucifer
22:10 <guru3> home-man-z ><
22:10 * joda_bo1 thinkgs if we all put Dev infront of our nicks guru has more fun ;)
22:10 <z-man-home> Why am I z-man-home again?
22:10 -!- z-man-home is now known as z-man
22:10 <joda_bo1> z-man-home-again ;)
22:10 <joda_bo1> z-man-home-alone ? ;)
22:10 <guru3> cause z-man was taken when z-man-home signed on
22:11 <z-man> but why?
22:11 <guru3> beats me
22:11 <joda_bo1> we've got a z-man bot now :)
22:11 <z-man> What does it do?
22:11 <z-man> Random source code changes to bump my stats? :)
22:11 <guru3> lol
22:11 * Lucifer_arma was lu best :)
22:12 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as z-lucifer
22:13 -!- guru3 is now known as z-guru
22:13 <joda_bo1> z-man: Luke-Jr used a faked email to cause a buffer overrun while you read your email and thus he was able to link you to the MCP and create a virtual copy ... the z-man bot ;)
22:14 <z-man> That's a wild theory :)
22:14 <joda_bo1> a buffer overrun in the brain , of course ;)
22:14 <z-man> But the only one we've got, I guess.
22:14 <z-guru> lol
22:14 <joda_bo1> easy theories don't work ;)
22:14 <z-lucifer> hmmm, so what's a budget? Is it an account property or a separate object?
22:15 * z-man runs away from accounting
22:15 <Vanhayes> brb finally tracked down the last of the spyware
22:15 <z-guru> lol
22:15 * joda_bo1 thinks we can just define it like we need it ;)
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22:15 <z-lucifer> well, I need to define it and then code it
22:15 <joda_bo1> Guess Luke tries to copy vanhayes too ;)
22:15 * Luke-Jr is now known as z-Luke-Jr
22:17 <joda_bo1> so I try to be a good joda_bot and go to bed early... perhaps that helps with the motivation for writing my baechlor thesis *argh*
22:17 <joda_bo1> #night
22:17 <armabot> Good night joda_bo1!
22:17 <joda_bo1> ;)
22:17 <joda_bo1> good night
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22:19 <z-lucifer> if a budget is a separate object, then what are its properties?
22:20 <z-guru> a max and min?
22:21 <z-lucifer> hmmm, I was thinking about amount and interval, and the BigBoss class would handle setting up budgets for each new interval when it comes
22:21 <z-lucifer> I'd like to view a budget as a rate of change, though :)
22:22 <z-lucifer> oh yeah, and I need to link it to an account somehow
22:22 <z-lucifer> or have it link to multiple accounts
22:23 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar is now known as z-darkstar
22:23 <z-lucifer> so if you're like me and you get separate gas, water, and electricity bills, you could setup a Utility budget that watches gas, water, and electricity expense accounts
22:23 -!- z-man is now known as man
22:23 <z-guru> lol
22:23 <z-lucifer> heh
22:27 <Luke-Jr> man: aww, man... now you conflict w/ madmax|pt
22:27 -!- man is now known as UberMan
22:27 <UberMan> better?
22:27 <z-guru> lol
22:27 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BBB0C.versanet.de] has quit [Connection timed out]
22:28 -!- z-darkstar is now known as [Uber]DarkStar
22:28 <McSpiddles> lol
22:28 <UberMan> Luke-Jr: not to mention all the false highlights I'd get...
22:28 <McSpiddles> armabot Sent 3 days, 13 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam
22:28 <McSpiddles> armabot Sent 2 days, 1 hour, and 39 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> enjoy the spam
22:28 <McSpiddles> and you say i abuse the bot
22:29 <[Uber]DarkStar> hr hr
22:29 -!- [Uber]DarkStar is now known as [Xpert]DarkStar
22:30 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BA5F2.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:31 -!- z-lucifer is now known as UberLuci
22:32 <UberLuci> aha, but the account tree is already a tree, so if budget is a property of an account, I get that sort of grouping for free in the account system
22:34 -!- You're now known as z-wrtlprnft
22:45 -!- UberLuci is now known as Lucifer_arma
22:46 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:49 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: that's the #spam command
22:49 <McSpiddles> yea...
22:51 <z-guru> ah crap
22:51 <z-guru> missed the boot menu :(
22:53 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:54 <z-guru> got it this time
22:55 <wrtlprnft> if it started to boot linux you can still reset as long as it has everything mounted readonly
22:55 <wrtlprnft> don't need to wait for it to boot up
22:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> z-guru: do you get my /msg's?
22:56 <z-guru> nope
22:56 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: #tell z-guru blah
22:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn
22:56 -!- z-guru is now known as guru3
23:07 <McSpiddles> hey z-man
23:08 <McSpiddles> you double binding isn't impossible at 3 rubber right? :p
23:08 <UberMan> McSpiddles: No, it shouldn't be
23:08 <McSpiddles> mmm
23:08 <McSpiddles> wrtlprnft, said you said on the forums it was O_o
23:09 * McSpiddles is blaze
23:09 <UberMan> rubber and double binding are independent
23:09 <McSpiddles> i mean on the rim
23:09 <McSpiddles> or a wall
23:09 <UberMan> Oh, I disabled 180s and adjusts on lagfarm
23:09 <McSpiddles> i was doing it yesterday
23:09 <UberMan> with cycle_rubber_delay
23:09 <UberMan> you can't be too close when you do it
23:10 <McSpiddles> maybe it's cause my ping is 300+ ....but i was doing it
23:10 <UberMan> if you're reasonably far away, it works, but it's instant death if you're too close
23:10 <UberMan> yes, you get a bit of rubber from tat
23:10 <UberMan> that
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> double binding is always possible, except on cycle_delay 0.0
23:10 <McSpiddles> i wasn't no further than -- < that
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> here's an example of double binding: ||
23:10 * Lucifer_arma thinks he should make an instant chat key that says that :)
23:11 <McSpiddles> lol
23:11 <wrtlprnft> here's triple binding; P
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> |+
23:11 <wrtlprnft> P -- boom
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:11 <McSpiddles> who triple binds?
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> here are more examples of double binding: || || || || || || || || ||
23:12 <UberMan> People who hate kittens :)
23:12 <McSpiddles> i use left arrow,x,x,z
23:12 <wrtlprnft> UberMan: McSpiddles had about a twentieth of a grid unit of room...
23:12 <McSpiddles> i can do that faster than using 3 keys
23:12 <UberMan> wrtlprnft: then it should have been impossible, perhaps I messed the settings up
23:13 <McSpiddles> i can double bind
23:13 <wrtlprnft> UberMan: i have a BUG cry around that
23:13 <McSpiddles> then go back into the double bind
23:13 <McSpiddles> then bind back out
23:13 <UberMan> Hmm, shouldn't be possible
23:14 <McSpiddles> i do have to time it perfect
23:14 <McSpiddles> or i die
23:14 <McSpiddles> but i can do it
23:14 <UberMan> The server is running at only 10 fps, that exposes some previously unknown bugs :)
23:14 <wrtlprnft> oh, wow
23:15 <UberMan> Whoops, the bug cry detection script isn't working there yet.
23:15 <McSpiddles> lol
23:16 <McSpiddles> UberMan, maybe the reason i can do it is cause of all the extra rubber i have from my high ping there?
23:16 <UberMan> That's definitely a requirement, yes.
23:17 -!- UberMan is now known as z-man
23:17 <madmax|pt> o.O
23:17 <McSpiddles> O.o
23:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:17 <McSpiddles> O_.
23:17 <McSpiddles> lol
23:17 <madmax|pt> 0_0
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #dotdotdot
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23:17 <McSpiddles> O
23:17 <McSpiddles> _
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:17:54] <madmax|pt> 0_0, [16:17:52] <McSpiddles> lol, [16:17:50] <McSpiddles> O_., [16:17:46] <wrtlprnft> o_O, [16:17:40] <McSpiddles> O.o, [16:17:36] <madmax|pt> o.O, [16:15:42] <McSpiddles> lol, [16:11:52] <Lucifer_arma> heh, [16:11:31] <McSpiddles> lol, [16:09:09] <McSpiddles> mmm, [15:53:39] <wrtlprnft> lol, [15:28:51] <McSpiddles> lol, [15:27:54] <z-guru> lol, [15:23:56] (50 more messages)
23:17 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:17 <McSpiddles> O
23:17 <McSpiddles> _
23:17 <McSpiddles> o
23:18 <McSpiddles> that just looks weird
23:18 <McSpiddles> my grandma lost the chiuaua
23:18 <McSpiddles> brb
23:18 <Vanhayes> lol Chiuaua
23:19 <Vanhayes> those are funny looking dogs
23:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> someone in the neighborhood here got one of these
23:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> really cute
23:21 <McSpiddles> heh
23:21 <McSpiddles> she took him to the vet
23:21 <McSpiddles> and they tied a 4th of july bandana on him
23:21 <McSpiddles> so he's hiding under the couch
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23:30 <Lucifer_arma> chihuahuas are supposed to wear cinco de mayo bandanas
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> what does heberge mean?
23:32 <McSpiddles> ?
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23:32 <wrtlprnft> herberge? german word?
23:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5576 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Fixed wall flickering bug. Preliminary walls are only discarded faster if a final wall comes along over the network that really is a bit newer.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> hostel
23:33 <wrtlprnft> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&search=herberge
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23:34 <Vanhayes> #last
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:33:28] <wrtlprnft> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&search=herberge
23:35 <guru3> night ya'll
23:35 <wrtlprnft> night
23:35 <Vanhayes> night
23:35 <McSpiddles> http://www.6URL.com/0TPD
23:42 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:42 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
23:50 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
23:50 <Luke-Jr> hm
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night all
23:50 <Vanhayes> night
23:50 <Luke-Jr> Regarding making money... Anyone think maybe we can just offer to do coding of AA features at top priority for pay? =p
23:51 <Brooky> gotta to sleep
23:51 <Brooky> bye
23:51 <Brooky> #night
23:51 <armabot> Good night Brooky!
23:51 * Luke-Jr wonders if anyone would be that into the game to actually do it =p
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23:54 <wrtlprnft> maybe get paid for not implementing features?
23:54 * wrtlprnft looks at silly
23:54 <Luke-Jr> heh
Log from 2006-07-04:
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00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5577 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycleMovement.cpp gGame.cpp gGame.h gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5572 to 5576:
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: r5576 | z-man | 2006-07-03 23:32:51 +0200 (Mon, 03 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed wall flickering bug. Preliminary walls are only discarded faster if a final wall comes along over the network that really is a bit newer.
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: r5575 | z-man | 2006-07-03 21:49:37 +0200 (Mon, 03 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
00:09 <z-man> last one for today, bedtime.
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00:17 <McSpiddles> lahl
00:17 * McSpiddles has to wait 4 minutes to go back to BF O_o
00:17 <madmax|pt> you just did the sickest thing
00:17 <McSpiddles> ?
00:18 <madmax|pt> you left, and both sides didnt have any place to grind
00:18 <McSpiddles> sLOL
00:18 <McSpiddles> i was spam-kicked
00:18 <madmax|pt> right in the exact moment
00:18 <madmax|pt> ahah
00:18 <McSpiddles> i got a little to happy with wrtlprnft's color instant key
00:18 <McSpiddles> lol
00:18 <McSpiddles> 3 more minutes
00:18 <madmax|pt> lol
00:21 <McSpiddles> 2 minutes O_o
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00:42 <cusco> color instant key?
00:42 <cusco> hows taht?
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01:09 <Vanhayes> #list
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
01:09 <Vanhayes> #list web
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
01:09 <Vanhayes> #help fetch
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: (fetch <url>) -- Returns the contents of <url>, or as much as is configured in supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum. If that configuration variable is set to 0, this command will be effectively disabled.
01:09 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
01:09 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
01:10 * Vanhayes finally got a good IRC client again
01:11 <ghableska> what client?
01:11 <Vanhayes> I got Mirc back
01:11 <Vanhayes> er
01:11 <Vanhayes> mIRC
01:11 <ghableska> cool
01:12 <Vanhayes> it said I had to register after 30 days so iuninstalled it and just reinstalled it and I have another 30 days
01:13 <ghableska> lol
01:13 <ghableska> nice
01:13 <ghableska> how did the ladle go?
01:15 <Vanhayes> pretty good, I wasn't gonaa play it because it was canada day But then it started to thunder and rain hard so I played the first match and part of the second
01:15 <ghableska> cool
01:15 <ghableska> I missed it :(
01:15 <Vanhayes> heh, it was prettty fun
01:15 <Vanhayes> good games
01:15 <ghableska> was 2020 there?
01:16 <Vanhayes> yup
01:16 <ghableska> I haven't seen him in ages...
01:16 <Vanhayes> it was me 2020 lackadaisical, eggcozy hay linn garismo nii and zop
01:16 <McSpiddles> he Pew survey found that the average price of residential DSL service decreased from $38 per month in February 2004 to $32 per month by December 2005. Some evidence suggests prices may have fallen further still, with Verizon Communications, AT&T, Comcast, and others offering service plans at less than $20 per month. And as prices fall, providers are upgrading connections and investing in new infrastructure to provide higher
01:16 <McSpiddles> speeds to consumers.
01:16 <McSpiddles> http://news.com.com/2010-1034_3-6090408.html?part=rss&tag=6090408&subj=news
01:17 <ghableska> nice
01:18 <McSpiddles> For one, about half of U.S. Internet users still connect via dial-up. Unlimited/flat-rate local telephone calls, innovations like "Web accelerators," and competition that has pushed subscription prices below $10 per month
01:18 <McSpiddles> people still use dialup ?
01:18 <ghableska> o_O
01:18 <ghableska> like 40
01:20 * Vanhayes slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large trout
01:20 <Vanhayes> ha
01:20 <ghableska> heh
01:20 <ghableska> #slap Vanhayes
01:20 <ghableska> :(
01:20 * McSpiddles slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large cow
01:20 * Vanhayes slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large trout
01:20 * Vanhayes slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large trout
01:20 * McSpiddles slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large cow
01:20 * McSpiddles slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large cow
01:20 <Vanhayes> spam
01:20 <Vanhayes> lol
01:20 <Vanhayes> Im just seeing what this IRC client can do
01:21 <madmax|pt> o.O
01:22 * Luke-Jr drops a 100 lb box of UNIX manuals on Vanhayes's head.
01:23 <McSpiddles> LOL
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that means he wants a host (or she, or whatever)
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's that Dashia person. Swiss, according to his flag.
01:23 <McSpiddles> Luke-Jr, my host seemed a bit sketchy i still have shell access after he thought he disabled it
01:23 <McSpiddles> :>
01:24 <Luke-Jr> ;)\
01:24 <McSpiddles> man,i thought i had problems
01:24 <McSpiddles> these guys really don't have a clue
01:24 <Luke-Jr> lol
01:24 <McSpiddles> i told him they did infact have rsync
01:24 <McSpiddles> then he said the guy they get the server from said it didn't
01:25 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
01:25 <McSpiddles> i asked if he had ssh to it,he said yes...i said type rsync
01:25 <McSpiddles> he then "thought" he disabled it :>
01:25 * Lucifer_arma throws a CD containing all the unix man pages at Luke-Jr
01:25 <McSpiddles> they take my shell i'm moving to another host :p
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> wait, what year is it?
01:25 <Luke-Jr> lol
01:25 <McSpiddles> 2006
01:25 * Lucifer_arma throws a dvd containing all the unix manpages at Luke-Jr
01:26 <McSpiddles> lol
01:26 <Luke-Jr> anyone interested in starting a hosting 'company'?
01:26 <McSpiddles> heh
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> like distortgaming?
01:26 <Luke-Jr> dunno
01:26 <McSpiddles> i done asked a friend if he wanted to
01:26 <McSpiddles> :p
01:26 <Luke-Jr> just like host AA servers w/ low latency
01:26 <Luke-Jr> and maybe related sites
01:26 <McSpiddles> actually
01:26 <McSpiddles> heh
01:27 <Luke-Jr> just need a colo on a low latency connection really
01:28 <McSpiddles> http://www.dedicatedhosting.com/
01:28 <McSpiddles> O_o
01:29 <McSpiddles> 1tb transfer
01:29 <Luke-Jr> not that low latency
01:29 <Luke-Jr> a whole 60ms
01:29 <McSpiddles> lol
01:30 <Luke-Jr> 60ms is a bit long
01:30 <Luke-Jr> we want VoIP-quality low latency
01:30 <Luke-Jr> 20ms
01:30 <McSpiddles> oops
01:30 <McSpiddles> anyways
01:30 <McSpiddles> 60?
01:30 <McSpiddles> i get 73
01:30 <McSpiddles> O_o
01:31 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:33 <McSpiddles> like
01:33 <McSpiddles> 10mbps or 100mbps
01:34 <Luke-Jr> ?
01:36 <McSpiddles> um
01:36 <McSpiddles> that was gay
01:36 <McSpiddles> my browser just loaded the windows vista page
01:37 <McSpiddles> on it's own
01:37 <McSpiddles> then i pressed the back button
01:37 <McSpiddles> it did it again
01:56 <Vanhayes> #dict heberge
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "heberge" could be found.
01:56 <Vanhayes> #google heberge
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.86 seconds: FREE- HEBERGE .COM o Index page: <http://free-heberge.com/>; Heberge .info - H?bergement, Accueil: <http://heberge.info/>; Your Mailinglist Provider: <http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com/>; Game Movies: FEAR Movie #5 - Demo Movie Patch Download Section ...: <http://www.gamershell.com/download_10117.shtml>; NIKE+ : PODCAST: (2 more messages)
01:56 <ghableska> bad translation?
01:56 <Vanhayes> no clue
01:56 <ghableska> what language?
01:56 <Vanhayes> heh no clue
01:57 <Vanhayes> it was on the forums
01:57 <Vanhayes> I wanted to know what the word was
01:58 <ghableska> yeah, I saw that post
01:58 <Vanhayes> did that link he gave work for you?
01:59 <ghableska> um, hold on
01:59 <ghableska> no
02:09 <mkzelda> i wonder why everything everyone says is prefixed with a +
02:09 <ghableska> ?
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02:10 <mkzelda> [20:11] <ghableska> +?
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02:11 <ghableska> must be your client
02:11 <ghableska> I don't see it...
02:12 <mkzelda> yea
02:12 <mkzelda> ive never seen it b4
02:13 <mkzelda> been on irc for 10 years and its new to me
02:13 <ghableska> lol
02:14 <mkzelda> kind of exciting
02:14 <mkzelda> heh
02:15 <McSpiddles> as long as you don't start using yahoo
02:15 <ghableska> very ;)
02:15 <McSpiddles> that's a trap
02:15 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:15 <ghableska> why?
02:15 <McSpiddles> why don't you go in a few rooms and see for yourseld ;)
02:16 * McSpiddles started the internet on yahoo
02:16 <McSpiddles> O_o
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02:16 * McSpiddles goes to tron
02:16 <ghableska> o.0
02:22 <ghableska> anyone want to come to BF Deathmatch?
02:40 <McSpiddles> sure
02:40 * McSpiddles reminds self to put a "run" bar in his panel
02:41 <McSpiddles> wow
02:41 <McSpiddles> i can't come
02:41 <McSpiddles> it keeps saying i timed out
02:41 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:42 <ghableska> O_o
02:43 <ghableska> I can join...
02:55 <ghableska> woo
02:56 <ghableska> -150 points
03:03 <McSpiddles> O_o
03:03 <McSpiddles> you beat my record
03:04 <ghableska> well, it was on purpose...
03:04 <ghableska> I found a nice corner to hit the wall
03:04 <McSpiddles> LOL
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03:08 <McSpiddles> http://livedigital.com/content/377059/p4
03:29 <McSpiddles> http://livedigital.com/content/372464/p4 lmfao that one's funny
04:01 <ghableska> *yawn*
04:37 * McSpiddles goes to piss then wright his letter of resignation to mbc O_o
04:38 <ghableska> why are you leaving?
04:39 <McSpiddles> reasons :)
04:49 <McSpiddles> bah
04:49 * McSpiddles now has to wait till lizz gets back O_o
04:49 <ghableska> O_o
04:53 <McSpiddles> Did God mess up?
04:53 <McSpiddles>
04:53 <McSpiddles> This subject has babbled me since the day I was able to think on my on, when I learned the difference from right and wrong. Why is it said that God, our creator, the maker and creator of everything and everyone, create such a horrible and disgusting race. Have you personally just taken the time out of your normal day and just watched someone else. I?ll be the first to say people are mean and cruel to each other. When I sa
04:53 <McSpiddles> y people I mean everyone, I know someone is going to say no I am not mean to the next person, well I say you?re a liar, because there is someone you hate, dislike, or want to make fun of.
04:53 <McSpiddles> O_o
04:54 <ghableska> lol...
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05:34 <mkzelda> .
05:34 <mkzelda> sup
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> hi
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to make budgets a property of accounts
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06:22 <Your_mom_arma> do we no longer support moviepacks?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> we still do?
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> i cant get any moviepacks to work in 0.3
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that's odd
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> far as I know, the moviepack stuff hasn't been touched since 0.2.8
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> care to test if you can get a moviepack to work on .3?
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> never mind i got it to work
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nvm :)
06:28 * Lucifer_arma just updated to the trunk
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07:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
07:19 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Extreme feminine beauty is always disturbing. || -- Spock, "The Cloud Minders", stardate 5818.4
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07:40 <wrtlprnft> 01:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that means he wants a host (or she, or whatever)
07:40 <wrtlprnft> 01:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that means he wants a host (or she, or whatever)
07:40 <wrtlprnft> oops
07:40 <wrtlprnft> just one
07:40 <wrtlprnft> but who or what does this refer to?
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07:46 <Lucifer_arma> [18:23] <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that means he wants a host (or she, or whatever)
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> [18:23] <Lucifer_arma> it's that Dashia person. Swiss, according to his flag.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> it was about a forum post
07:54 <Your_mom_arma> the guy who wants to pay someone to host a server?
07:54 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: excellent advertisement ;)
07:55 <joda_bot> aka. mom said "Host him a server you're nuts if you don't do it, if he wants to pay for it."
07:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: How would I start a petition to add German translations to the wiki ? ;)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: by first defining who you're trying to petition
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> because if you get a 'petition' of people who want a german translation, I'd say you collected a list of volunteer translators :)
07:57 <joda_bot> I've got more German players looking for information about Armagetron
07:57 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man: joda_bot: ;)
07:57 <joda_bot> Go petition go ;)
07:58 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I'd start with providing a FAQ like site on the wiki for German and English
07:58 <wrtlprnft> if i was to do a german translation it would suck
07:58 <joda_bot> e.g. answer the most common questions
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> like "Why isn't the wiki in german?" :)
07:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: you don't have to translate , just answer the problems in german again :-P
07:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i can't really host a pay server, not enough bandwidth
07:59 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I guess making a separate wiki does not make sense
07:59 <wrtlprnft> it would still suck, because i didn't write a german text >2 lines for the last 10 months
07:59 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: The trick is that, ppl can see what information is already there and switch to English if they can
08:00 <joda_bot> If they can't understand it, they might ask for a translation ...
08:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: You'll recover ;)
08:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Dies ist ein einfacher Deutscher Satz. ;)
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, what you need to do is get some people who want to translate to subscribe to pages and make the german translation
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> this is after 2 other things have happened, though
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> 1) guru3 sends me the database dump so we can move the wiki back to my server
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> 2) you tell me what I need to do to the wiki to make it possible
08:01 <joda_bot> yes, and the other thing I'm not sure if that works, but can the language of the wiki interface be changed ?
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> then you get your translators to ech subscribe to a few pages, and then translate them, and watch them for edits so they can keep them updated
08:01 <joda_bot> like making a main page which also displays a German login etc. screen ?
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> what I"d like is a bar with flags, and you click on the one that's yours :)
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> how does wikipedia do it? anybody know?
08:02 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: We could take a look at the Civilisation wiki and steal their concept ;)
08:02 <joda_bot> They already did that I guess
08:02 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: separate wikis for each language
08:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, the english wikipedia is in english and the german wikipedia is in german...
08:02 <wrtlprnft> different database tables
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> so we'd need two wikis to have a german one?
08:03 <joda_bot> FreeCiv does use a wiki with de: prefix for other languages
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> how about the new version of mediawiki? I saw something about better internationalization support, anybody know what that's about?
08:03 <joda_bot> es:Rubber for spanish entries
08:03 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: no idea
08:03 <joda_bot> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Freeciv
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> MediaWiki (http://wikipedia.sf.net/): 1.4.15
08:05 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: the wiki interface does not switch it's language for the german page :|
08:05 <wrtlprnft> I'd prefer two wikis
08:05 <wrtlprnft> a) the interface language changes
08:06 <wrtlprnft> b) you get those "other languages" links like on wikipedia
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> they're a version behind us
08:06 <wrtlprnft> c) the recent changes don't get crowded with stuff english- speaking people aren't interested and vice versa
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> and we're going to be upgrading in the move, I'll be upgrading us to 1.6.x
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the only problem with that is someone (me, more than likely) would need to set up the german wiki :)
08:07 <wrtlprnft> well
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can do that if you guys really want it, it's just work, you know :)
08:08 <wrtlprnft> i think you should be able to use the same installation for that, just different databases
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> make /en and have it be the default, then make /de and joda_bot volunteers to administer that one
08:08 <joda_bot> I'm not sure if a separate wiki is a good idea
08:08 <joda_bot> there will not be enough content yet
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> if there's something in the mediawiki docs that tells how, post it as a link in the Wiki World forum and I'll get it when the move happens
08:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot's decision
08:09 <joda_bot> If we get a german invasion, we can still copy the stuff over with all the helpers ?
08:09 <wrtlprnft> you can't copy the history
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, you've got a chicken and egg problem here
08:10 <wrtlprnft> oh no, not again
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> you don't want a separate wiki because there's no content, but you don't have any content because you don't have a wiki
08:10 <wrtlprnft> last time this caused me a weeklong headache
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08:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I guess that's not a big problem if you migrate to a new wiki ... it's better than starting from scratch then ;)
08:10 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: it is a problem since the authors have to be named for creative commons
08:11 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ah ok license stuff ;)
08:11 <joda_bot> Make a link for previous history see here ;)
08:11 <wrtlprnft> that's one thing the history pages are for, to give credit to whoever wrote that stuff
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> we'll just set it up as a separate wiki, because the wiki we have now started without content, at least the germans have something to work from :)
08:12 <wrtlprnft> :)
08:13 <joda_bot> Before we do that, I'd like to check freeciv's expierence with their solution of "de:"
08:13 <wrtlprnft> though it would be nice if the wikis could share their user database
08:13 <wrtlprnft> does mysql support links? ie one table is really a symlink to another
08:13 <joda_bot> armagetronad's wiki language can be changed to german interface (in the preferences)
08:13 <wrtlprnft> it you're logged in, yeah
08:14 <joda_bot> just have to find a way to change the default for a subpage ;)
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> except errors.BalanceIntervalError, exc:
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> pass # ignore errors here, they're probably caused by shit not working
08:14 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> code I just wrote :)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> that python?
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> and I was right, shit's broke. Hmmm, have to rethink this balance interval thing
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> can't write the budgeting stuff until I can report on specific time periods
08:19 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: just say when you want the copy of the db
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: how about next Monday?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
08:20 <guru3> ok
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> calc test next weekend
08:21 <guru3> np
08:21 <guru3> i can dump whenever
08:22 * Lucifer_arma thinks he should just rewrite the code that updates the list with time periods in mind
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08:24 <guru3> breakfast
08:24 <guru3> bbl
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08:40 <guru3> gah
08:40 <guru3> my dad said
08:41 <guru3> "you've got to look out for buisness"
08:41 <guru3> >:(
08:41 <guru3> they're acting like i forget about doing stuff on purpose
08:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5578 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Added timestamps to respawns
08:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5579 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Fixed the way turns are enforced after the turn delay is over. Instead of forging the last turn times, which does not work any more, the turn delay is temporarily set to zero.
08:47 <wrtlprnft> z-man: oh, yeah, something confusing on BF Deathmatch: If you run into a wall and turn too late you die, but the respawned cycle doesn't follow the turn command you gave. would it be possible to memorize the unexecuted turn commands and execute them on the new cycle?
08:47 <z-man> wrtlprnft: maybe
08:48 <z-man> It's quite annoying if you unexpectedly crash into the rim :)
08:48 <wrtlprnft> that too
08:48 <z-man> Perhaps the respawn should just always point away from the rim?
08:49 <wrtlprnft> just be invoulnerable against the rim for a while?
08:49 <wrtlprnft> so you can't die, you just stop dead?
08:49 <wrtlprnft> or respawn at a normal spawn point
08:50 <wrtlprnft> which is what I'd like for my race server
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes gui programming is annoying as hell
08:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I guess the situation will improve once phillippeqc and me have finished the new spawn stuff
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09:09 <Brooky> Hi all.
09:11 <Your_mom_arma> hi
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5580 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycleMovement.cpp gGame.cpp): (log message trimmed)
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5576 to 5579:
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: r5579 | z-man | 2006-07-04 08:44:05 +0200 (Tue, 04 Jul 2006) | 1 line
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed the way turns are enforced after the turn delay is over. Instead of forging the last turn times, which does not work any more, the turn delay is temporarily set to zero.
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:12 <armabot> armagetronad: r5578 | z-man | 2006-07-04 08:42:37 +0200 (Tue, 04 Jul 2006) | 1 line
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10:09 * wrtlprnft wonders if he could hack the CIA plugin to leave out the tr
10:09 <wrtlprnft> text of merges
10:23 <wrtlprnft> what's the point of this in python:
10:23 <wrtlprnft> while condition:
10:23 <wrtlprnft> blah
10:23 <wrtlprnft> else:
10:23 <wrtlprnft> blah
10:23 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just type the stuff in else: into the parent block, what's the point?
10:27 <guru3> gah
10:27 <guru3> just when you need z-man
10:27 <guru3> he's not on
10:27 <wrtlprnft> lo
10:27 <wrtlprnft> l
10:28 <wrtlprnft> guru3: #later tell is your friend
10:28 <guru3> maybe
10:29 <wrtlprnft> #later tell guru3 #later tell is your friend
10:29 <wrtlprnft> note the space at the beginning :)
10:30 <guru3> noted
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that's stuff you want executed if the loop doesn't get executed
10:43 <guru3> Luke-Jr: what was that tip you had to keep cron from spitting back all the output unless there were errors?
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11:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, those points in the dev forum don't tell me anything :( guess we have to wait for z-man to look at it
11:36 <wrtlprnft> i see his point in the functions, but I dunno how to insert error handling that still does something meaningful and doesn't cause other problems
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12:06 <Lucifer_arma> what's the radmin command to release an army of monkeys?
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> is it /admin TWELVE_MONKEYS 1
12:13 * wrtlprnft just accidently screwed up all settings on that server
12:14 <wrtlprnft> i accidently deleted the message of the day, so i decided to INCLUDE server_info.cfg to get it back
12:14 <wrtlprnft> does't exist, so i tried settings_dedicated.cfg...
12:14 <wrtlprnft> took me a while to figure z-man has his settings in autoexec.cfg
12:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the army of monkeys would be SP_NUM_AIS 12?
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12:50 <wrtlprnft> if i play in that intertron thing, should i play for canada or germany?
12:50 <wrtlprnft> i guess canada will be more in need of players than germany...
12:54 <cusco> hey
12:54 <cusco> I also wanna play!
12:54 <cusco> where do I subscrive?
12:54 <cusco> :p
12:56 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Inter_Tron
12:58 <cusco> my country isn't there
12:59 <cusco> im portuguese :p
12:59 <cusco> but.. I live in the uk
12:59 <cusco> I suose I could be there
13:00 <wrtlprnft> you can add portugese if you think someone es
13:00 <wrtlprnft> *else will join that team
13:02 <cusco> maybe
13:02 <cusco> madmax|pt
13:03 <cusco> Im not being able to register..
13:04 <wrtlprnft> gah
13:04 <wrtlprnft> what's the error message?
13:04 <wrtlprnft> be sure you don't use your tab key
13:04 <cusco> done!
13:05 <cusco> ah!
13:05 <cusco> why not?!?!?
13:05 <cusco> Im used to it :|
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it's just that form
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it's to confuse spam bots
13:05 <wrtlprnft> you can also press tab twice after entering your name
13:05 <cusco> ahm! right!
13:05 <cusco> I noticed that
13:05 <wrtlprnft> if you press it once you'll end up in a hidden field
13:05 <cusco> but I didn't sow where ti was..
13:05 <cusco> I thoug it was blank
13:06 <wrtlprnft> and if you change that it'll refuse
13:06 <cusco> but I already typed there some
13:06 <cusco> I see...
13:06 <wrtlprnft> cusco: view the page without CSS and you'll see
13:06 <cusco> thanks
13:06 <cusco> ah :P
13:06 * cusco is now wating for the confirmation email
13:06 <cusco> or
13:07 <cusco> no need
13:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i thought so
13:07 <cusco> so where are you from? germany or canada?
13:08 <wrtlprnft> well
13:08 <wrtlprnft> i was in canada for ten months
13:08 <wrtlprnft> just came back to germany
13:15 <cusco> oh I see
13:15 <cusco> so will germany win the fifa world cup?
13:16 <cusco> :P
13:16 <cusco> (with the help of the referee)
13:16 <wrtlprnft> i don't care at all
13:17 <wrtlprnft> would have been fun to have z-kraut around, but belgium is out already
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13:23 <Brooky> Hi all
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13:38 <McSpiddles> O_o
13:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:54 <McSpiddles> O_
13:54 <McSpiddles> O_o
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14:56 <cusco> belgium
14:56 <cusco> I only know michael prodom
14:56 <cusco> the greatest goalkeeper
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15:09 <wrtlprnft> i know noone of belgium cusco :P
15:10 <wrtlprnft> cusco: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=57341#57341
15:10 <wrtlprnft> that's why. the cheese is rather boring
15:56 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/dogfight/chico_polo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:09 <Luke-Jr> guru3: erm... >/dev/null ?
16:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/dogfight/nano_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:17 <cusco> cheessyyy
16:17 <cusco> yea o well....
16:17 <cusco> germany will probably win..
16:17 <cusco> argentina was the team who played the nicest games.. they putem out
16:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
16:18 <cusco> gonna tron a but
16:18 <cusco> bit
16:37 <cusco> I never played in anything like a tournament before
16:37 <cusco> how does that tronic thingie works?
16:37 <cusco> like when
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16:39 <McSpiddles> wtf
16:39 <McSpiddles> (10:37:40) xxx_federation_force_xxx: [MASS] A secret operation is underway Operation -" SUCK ME OFF". Its a high profile operation involving Multi Million Dollors. The person incharge of this operation is Trent aka joa_smokeymacpot . If you r interested in this operation then please contact joa_smokeymacpot for details. NOTE - please contact joa_smokeymacpot as its his operation and idea. pe@ce.[MASS].
16:39 <McSpiddles> my host really is retarded O_o
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/dogfight/sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
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17:31 <joda_bot> back ...
17:33 <ghableska> wb
17:34 <joda_bot> :-)
17:34 <joda_bot> Not here long ... going to watch some soccer in the city ;)
17:35 <ghableska> sounds fun :)
17:44 * wrtlprnft has 0 interest in soccer now that we only have boring cheese instead of z-kraut
17:44 <ghableska> :P
17:48 <guru3> my hd space is disapearing :(
17:48 <ghableska> :(
17:48 <guru3> on both my servers
17:48 <guru3> on one for unknown reasons
17:48 <guru3> on the other
17:48 <guru3> cause i keep dling anime
17:48 <guru3> curse you you anime
17:49 <guru3> you stupid thing taking up 240gb :(
17:52 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:52 <ghableska> O_o
17:52 <wrtlprnft> 240gb... that'd keep me busy watching for years
17:53 <ghableska> lol
17:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Inter_Tron&curid=2471&action=history
17:54 * wrtlprnft wonders if any of these people have heard of the preview button
17:58 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: What's a preview button :-O
17:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: j/k ... off to city soccer
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17:59 <wrtlprnft> i didn't even mean joda
18:00 <wrtlprnft> just others that first put their name in and a couple of empty lines, then decide they don't like the empty lines, and then delete them one by one, all in separate edits
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18:06 <Self_Destructo> heellooo
18:07 <ghableska> hi
18:08 <wrtlprnft> hi there :)
18:08 <guru3> lo sd
18:08 * Self_Destructo is downloading a developers cd. :)
18:08 <Self_Destructo> linux at that
18:09 <guru3> :o
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:09 <Self_Destructo> Linspire now offers a devlopers linux, like gentoo
18:09 <wrtlprnft> gentoo :)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> just take gentoo, don
18:09 <wrtlprnft> 't use a fake jk
18:10 <Self_Destructo> hehe, well, I'm giving it a try
18:10 <Self_Destructo> i think i torrented gentoo not to long ago
18:10 <Self_Destructo> when i was around all the time
18:10 <wrtlprnft> gentoo install cd is ~50MB
18:11 <Self_Destructo> really?
18:11 <Self_Destructo> I'm downloading a 697MB .iso file
18:11 <wrtlprnft> though you still have to download stuff once you're installing
18:11 <wrtlprnft> but you download only what you need
18:11 <Self_Destructo> see
18:12 <Self_Destructo> that's what sucks, I hate installing a downloader. :P
18:12 <wrtlprnft> you're not installing it
18:12 <Self_Destructo> hehe :P
18:12 <wrtlprnft> it's a life CD that serves as an environment for you to install linux
18:12 <Self_Destructo> live *
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:13 <wrtlprnft> life CD like in liFe raft
18:13 <Self_Destructo> i find it funny wondows is just now catching on to this live cd thing
18:13 <wrtlprnft> wth is up with wondows?
18:14 <wrtlprnft> did they change their name?
18:14 <Self_Destructo> no, misspell
18:14 <Self_Destructo> a good one at that
18:14 <wrtlprnft> it's just that I've seen quite a few of those in the last while
18:14 <wrtlprnft> wondows
18:14 <Self_Destructo> lol
18:15 <Self_Destructo> sounds good doesn't it?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=70291&highlight=#70291
18:15 <wrtlprnft> there's another one...
18:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/dogfight/deadly_race-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
18:21 <Self_Destructo> i never got 3.0 to compile
18:22 <Self_Destructo> I didn't have version.h for one...
18:22 <Self_Destructo> and I don't remeber what I gave up on.
18:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:25 <Self_Destructo> | 31 | 9 | ed/fortress/desperate_housewives-0.0.1.aamap.xml | Desperate Housewives | wildfortress1
18:25 <Self_Destructo> lol
18:25 <Self_Destructo> what's that map like?
18:27 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/dogfight/five_sumos-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
18:29 <Self_Destructo> yhh
18:29 <Self_Destructo> why does armabot keep spitting this stuff out?
18:30 <guru3> aww swampland is missing :(
18:33 <Self_Destructo> i like swampland
18:33 <Self_Destructo> ans swamplord (my favorite classic)
18:34 <Self_Destructo> i see quite a few of the been-around-a-long-time guys there
18:34 <guru3> swampland doesn't apear to be up tho :(
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18:35 <madmax|pt> hi
18:35 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
18:35 <Self_Destructo> hi
18:35 <guru3> lo mad
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18:41 <McSpiddles> sd!
18:42 <McSpiddles> poor garisimo
18:42 <McSpiddles> proved he isn't anything without a good team
18:42 <McSpiddles> then he left
18:42 <McSpiddles> heh
18:43 <Self_Destructo> hi spidey
18:44 <McSpiddles> sup man?
18:47 <McSpiddles> i'm starting to hate ogame
18:47 <McSpiddles> i've lost 30million resources worth of fleet so far
18:48 <Self_Destructo> pitling, waiting on a download right now
18:48 <Self_Destructo> well, that's part of the game
18:48 <McSpiddles> hehe
18:48 <McSpiddles> yea
18:48 <Self_Destructo> I'm almost ranked, and I'm not playing. :P
18:48 <McSpiddles> :p
18:48 <Self_Destructo> 1518
18:48 <McSpiddles> i've been knocked down so many ranks man
18:48 <Self_Destructo> i saw
18:49 <Self_Destructo> like 154 or something
18:49 <McSpiddles> i should be in the 700s by now
18:49 <Self_Destructo> i looked at the forum this morning
18:49 <McSpiddles> yea
18:49 <McSpiddles> those are the crashes i posted
18:49 <McSpiddles> there's another crash in the HoF on the ogame boards
18:49 <McSpiddles> klopfer got me
18:49 <McSpiddles> :/
18:50 <McSpiddles> no matter though
18:50 <McSpiddles> i'll have it back in 11 days
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18:51 <McSpiddles> oh
18:51 <McSpiddles> i got a moon xD
18:51 <Self_Destructo> i saw that too
18:51 <McSpiddles> those things rock
18:51 <Self_Destructo> from a fleet crash?
18:51 <Self_Destructo> what can you do with them?
18:51 <McSpiddles> yes i let astac crash about 1/5 of the fleet i had at the time
18:52 <McSpiddles> you can get a sensor phalanx
18:52 <Self_Destructo> yeah
18:52 <McSpiddles> to detect other peoples fleet movements
18:52 <McSpiddles> you can hide a fleet from sesnor detection with them
18:52 <McSpiddles> jump gates
18:52 <Self_Destructo> scan planets to see incoming an outgoing, all the fleets in the solarsystem.. etc, right?
18:52 <McSpiddles> they're awesome
18:52 <McSpiddles> yea
18:52 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: armabot spits out SVN commit messages and map uploads
18:53 <Self_Destructo> ah
18:53 <McSpiddles> i've gotten in a bad habbit to
18:53 <Self_Destructo> utoh
18:53 <McSpiddles> i've been attacking people ranked in the top 200
18:53 <Self_Destructo> lol
18:53 <McSpiddles> then someone ranked 6 crashed 1/2 my fleet
18:53 <McSpiddles> xD
18:53 <Self_Destructo> i'd do that too just for teh fun
18:53 <Self_Destructo> :)
18:53 <McSpiddles> lol
18:53 <McSpiddles> i've had 3 major crashes
18:53 <McSpiddles> and recovered fast
18:54 <McSpiddles> when i get crashed i just fire my 2 planets in g3 back up
18:54 <McSpiddles> and i rebuild rather fast :)
18:55 <Self_Destructo> that's how i did it
18:55 <Self_Destructo> but, i also didn't survive in the middle of now where either
18:55 <McSpiddles> heh
18:56 <Self_Destructo> i had lots of farms with little or no defence
18:56 <McSpiddles> as long as i've got my friend ranked in the 200s now
18:56 <McSpiddles> and his moon in g3
18:56 <McSpiddles> i'll be fine
18:56 <McSpiddles> he's got over 300 bombers O_o
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18:57 <Self_Destructo> dang
18:57 <McSpiddles> 07-04 08:07:30 Hamm3rstein [3:463:5] Re:no subjectanswer
18:57 <McSpiddles> Ooops who hit you?
18:58 <McSpiddles> i bet if it was someone close he'd avenge me :)
18:58 <Self_Destructo> lol
18:59 <guru3> god you gotta love playing tron with 8bit music :D
19:00 <McSpiddles> LOL
19:00 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: will the internal media player support streams?
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19:00 <Self_Destructo> Linspre CNR still has 2.7.0 as the Armagetron downlaod
19:00 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:00 <McSpiddles> linspire?
19:00 <Self_Destructo> they need to update badly
19:00 <guru3> lo van
19:00 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska hello guru3
19:01 <Self_Destructo> www.linspire.com ... a linux distro
19:01 <McSpiddles> yes i know
19:01 <McSpiddles> but ewww
19:01 <guru3> isn't it linspiring?
19:01 <McSpiddles> spidey@1[~]$ cat /proc/version
19:01 <McSpiddles> Linux version 2.6.15-1-586tsc (Debian 2.6.15-3.ww1) (ww@mepis.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #2 PREEMPT Wed Feb 1 17:40:51 EST 2006
19:01 <guru3> Linux version 2.6.11-gentoo-r4 (root@strawberry) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)) #5 SMP Sun Jun 18 09:39:51 CEST 2006
19:01 <McSpiddles> lol @ strawberry
19:02 <guru3> vive my evenescent server
19:02 <guru3> or however the heck it's spelt
19:02 <guru3> point is vive it
19:02 <McSpiddles> lol
19:03 <madmax|pt> hi Vanhayes
19:03 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: 0.2.7.0?! that thing has a security hole!
19:03 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt
19:03 <guru3> don't worry
19:03 <guru3> security holes are everywhere in tron
19:04 <wrtlprnft> Linux version 2.6.16.18 (root@laptop) (gcc-Version 3.4.5 (Gentoo 3.4.5-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)) #1 PREEMPT Sat May 27 09:27:36 CDT 2006
19:04 <wrtlprnft> guru3: well, but they're well- hidden for now and it looks like they're not that critical
19:04 * McSpiddles refuses to take the time to compile gentoo
19:04 <guru3> true
19:04 <guru3> gentoo r great
19:04 <guru3> compile it once
19:04 <guru3> and it never break
19:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:05 <wrtlprnft> my gentoo install is on the 2nd harddrive already
19:05 <guru3> wrtlprnft: and i are the gentoo bros of this chan
19:05 <wrtlprnft> that means i just copied it all over to the new hd
19:05 <wrtlprnft> :D
19:05 <guru3> lol
19:05 <wrtlprnft> and it worked
19:06 <wrtlprnft> don't try that with windows...
19:06 <guru3> incidently
19:06 <guru3> there's a bug
19:06 <guru3> with armagetron and xgl in fullscreen mode
19:06 <McSpiddles> don't try that with windows?
19:06 <McSpiddles> why not? :p
19:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the first emerge that got logged (when i set portate_logdir) is from june 15, 2005
19:07 <wrtlprnft> that was emerge number 2881, dunno how old the install really is
19:07 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: that don't work with windows without special software because it doesn't have a generic HD controller driver
19:07 <wrtlprnft> there we go
19:07 <Self_Destructo> kinda dumb imo
19:07 <Self_Destructo> but they had thier reasons
19:08 <wrtlprnft> the special software i used on linux was a life- CD, NFS and tar
19:08 <wrtlprnft> which defragmented the thing on the go
19:08 <Self_Destructo> that
19:08 <Self_Destructo> 's
19:08 <Self_Destructo> ..
19:08 <wrtlprnft> that's what?
19:09 <Self_Destructo> one question i've had with linux... is why is there no defrag... error checking.. etc on linux?
19:09 <wrtlprnft> or live- CD if you like it
19:09 <wrtlprnft> ther is error checking
19:09 <Self_Destructo> it's called a Lvie CD wrtlprnft
19:09 <Self_Destructo> Live
19:09 <wrtlprnft> fsck for error checking
19:10 <wrtlprnft> and no, there's no easy way to defrag a ext2 or reiserfs partition
19:10 <Self_Destructo> why?
19:10 <wrtlprnft> but it's barely needed
19:10 <wrtlprnft> g2g, cya
19:10 <Self_Destructo> what's so different about it
19:10 <Self_Destructo> cya
19:11 <ghableska> brb
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19:12 <McSpiddles> mmmm
19:12 <McSpiddles> you back for good sd?
19:12 <Self_Destructo> no
19:12 <McSpiddles> "
19:12 <McSpiddles> :/
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19:19 <McSpiddles> shit
19:19 <McSpiddles> i forgot my paypal password O_o
19:19 <guru3> lol
19:19 <guru3> you were going to donate, right? x)
19:20 <McSpiddles> heh,i can barely keep paying for my gameserver and webserver
19:20 <guru3> well be thankful all of our hosting is done by the community
19:20 <McSpiddles> and the game-server guys wanna charge me for a fuckin month of downtime
19:20 <McSpiddles> i basically told 'em to kiss my ass
19:20 <guru3> cause we could never afford a proper server
19:21 <McSpiddles> if you ever need webhosting i can do that :p
19:21 <McSpiddles> i got 5gb space and 5000gb tansfer
19:21 <McSpiddles> which
19:21 <McSpiddles> i'm gonna upgrade the space soon
19:21 <guru3> the forums use about 1.5gb as it is now ><
19:21 <guru3> and i've never been brave enough to analyze the log file to see how much per month traffic ><
19:21 <McSpiddles> LOL
19:22 <McSpiddles> i don't use much
19:22 <McSpiddles> i think last month i had like 230mb
19:22 <guru3> so are you volunteering? >:D
19:23 * McSpiddles already has a 1gig file mirroring the download thing
19:23 <McSpiddles> :p
19:23 <McSpiddles> gave luke a account
19:23 <guru3> lol
19:23 <guru3> the forums are so friggin huge ><
19:24 <McSpiddles> LOL
19:24 <McSpiddles> my forums are
19:24 <McSpiddles> sec
19:24 <McSpiddles> SQL Disk usage 1.98 Megabytes
19:24 <McSpiddles> O_o
19:24 <guru3> ahahahahaha
19:24 <guru3> that's a rich one
19:24 <guru3> the thing that i can do when ppl with linux host tho
19:24 <McSpiddles> Disk usage 1082.41 Megabytes
19:24 <guru3> that i can't do with a pro hoster
19:24 <guru3> is have this:
19:24 <guru3> http://forums2.armagetronad.net/
19:25 <McSpiddles> heh
19:25 <guru3> local mirror
19:25 <guru3> live db synchronization
19:25 <McSpiddles> um
19:25 <McSpiddles> hold on i undocked this window
19:25 <guru3> between forums and forums2
19:25 <McSpiddles> now i can't redock it :/
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19:26 <McSpiddles> mehg
19:26 <guru3> lol
19:26 <madmax|pt> lol
19:26 <McSpiddles> i still can't believe
19:26 <McSpiddles> my host tried to take my shell cause i knew more than he did about it
19:26 <McSpiddles> O_o
19:26 <guru3> hahaha
19:26 <guru3> that's great
19:26 <McSpiddles> not really
19:27 <McSpiddles> he said the server didn't have rsync
19:27 <McSpiddles> so luke checked and it did
19:27 <madmax|pt> you already said that i think
19:27 <madmax|pt> o_O
19:27 <guru3> first ive heard of it :D
19:27 * McSpiddles forgets alot
19:27 <McSpiddles> so i probably did
19:27 <madmax|pt> guess guru3 didnt read it
19:28 <McSpiddles> lol
19:28 <guru3> of course i didn't
19:28 <guru3> who has time to read all their irc channels
19:28 <McSpiddles> lmao
19:28 <McSpiddles> <<<
19:28 <guru3> i ignore about 80% of what's going on in here
19:28 <guru3> at least
19:28 <guru3> probably closer to 95%
19:30 <McSpiddles> thank god for the "forgot password" link
19:30 <McSpiddles> O_o
19:33 <guru3> lol
19:34 * McSpiddles waits for his $40 to transfer
19:34 <guru3> vroom
19:34 <guru3> look at the speed of the digital age
19:34 <McSpiddles> pssh
19:34 <McSpiddles> takes 3 days
19:36 * McSpiddles goes to make a partition
19:36 <McSpiddles> only got like 8gigs left of this drive
19:37 <McSpiddles> spidey@1[proc]$ cat /proc/partitions
19:37 <McSpiddles> major minor #blocks name
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 0 117187500 hda
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 1 117178078 hda1
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 64 13342392 hdb
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 65 9394531 hdb1
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 66 976562 hdb2
19:37 <McSpiddles> 3 67 2351562 hdb3
19:41 <cusco> ~root your host and ask them money
19:41 <McSpiddles> lol
19:42 <McSpiddles> well
19:42 <McSpiddles> the version of apache they use is 1.*
19:42 <McSpiddles> heh
19:44 <free-kill> what's wrong with 1.3?
19:45 <McSpiddles> they way these guys are
19:45 <McSpiddles> everything
19:45 <McSpiddles> i bet it's not even patched
19:51 <Self_Destructo> g2g, cya guys\
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20:31 <McSpiddles> ghableska, ghableska ghableska ghableska
20:31 <ghableska> :P
20:32 <McSpiddles> i really hate doubleginders
20:32 <McSpiddles> kill me everytime
20:32 <McSpiddles> :|
20:32 <ghableska> :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: grind harder and kill them
20:32 <wrtlprnft> that's my practice
20:32 <McSpiddles> i'm center
20:32 <McSpiddles> sdude
20:32 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: still, brake and adjust
20:32 * McSpiddles makes it a note to kill all doublegrinders from now on
20:33 <McSpiddles> i've never had one doublegrinder not kill me
20:33 <ghableska> McSpiddles: didn't you once get kicked for doing that? :)
20:33 <McSpiddles> yea
20:33 <McSpiddles> but i don't care :)
20:33 <ghableska> It was funny ;)
20:33 <McSpiddles> i can come back 20seconds later
20:33 <ghableska> lol, and you did
20:33 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: just complain that he kills you for a while before
20:33 <McSpiddles> :)
20:33 <wrtlprnft> then kill him and say you just don't wanna get killed
20:33 <McSpiddles> i shouldn't have to
20:33 <ghableska> heh
20:33 <McSpiddles> i should have to tell them to break earlier once
20:35 * McSpiddles notes 10000mb isn't 10gb
20:35 <guru3> it's <
20:36 <McSpiddles> #g 1024 * 10
20:36 <armabot> 1,024 * 10 = 10,240
20:36 <wrtlprnft> err
20:36 <ghableska> :P
20:36 <McSpiddles> 10,240
20:36 <McSpiddles> mb :p
20:36 <ghableska> you don't need a calculator for that
20:36 <wrtlprnft> you need a calculator for that
20:36 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:36 <ghableska> lol...
20:36 <McSpiddles> no
20:36 <McSpiddles> but i wanted to use it :p
20:37 <McSpiddles> brb pizza
20:39 * McSpiddles loves pizza
20:40 <ghableska> whoo
20:40 <ghableska> shuttle launched ^.^
20:40 <McSpiddles> ?
20:41 <ghableska> space shuttle...
20:41 <McSpiddles> oh yea
20:41 <McSpiddles> i think i saw something about that on the news
20:41 <McSpiddles> ~what i saw while i was waiting in line to piss~
20:41 <ghableska> lol
20:42 * wrtlprnft goes and joins canada for the intertron so they don't have to join the US
20:42 <madmax|pt> gimme some pizza
20:42 <ghableska> lol
20:42 <McSpiddles> no
20:42 <madmax|pt> gimmeeee
20:42 <McSpiddles> NO
20:42 <Vanhayes> heh is it still just me?
20:42 * ghableska steals pizza
20:42 <madmax|pt> fuck you then!!!!
20:42 <McSpiddles> mine :>
20:42 <madmax|pt> lol
20:42 <McSpiddles> LOLOLOL
20:43 <ghableska> mine!
20:43 <McSpiddles> NO
20:43 <madmax|pt> ok ghab gimme some pizza
20:43 * ghableska hands madmax|pt pizza
20:43 <madmax|pt> nice
20:43 <ghableska> ;)
20:43 <McSpiddles> no more pizza
20:43 <ghableska> free pizza for all :P
20:43 <McSpiddles> me and my dog just ate it all
20:43 <ghableska> o_O
20:43 <Vanhayes> heh chiwawa?
20:43 <ghableska> lol
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20:43 <McSpiddles> no
20:43 <ghableska> hi
20:44 * Vanhayes doesnt know how to spell it
20:44 <McSpiddles> i let one of the blacklabs in the house
20:44 <madmax|pt> chiuaua
20:44 <Vanhayes> lol
20:44 <ghableska> those are evil
20:44 <madmax|pt> get the w off
20:44 <McSpiddles> lol
20:44 * McSpiddles now wants a cat and some fish
20:44 <McSpiddles> then it'll be fun
20:44 <McSpiddles> dogs > cat > fish
20:44 <McSpiddles> dogss pwn
20:44 <Vanhayes> yup
20:45 <Vanhayes> cats arnt bad but dogs are better
20:45 <McSpiddles> i used to have this evil fuckin cat
20:45 <McSpiddles> i mean
20:45 <Luke-Jr> How do we make Deb pkgs?
20:45 <madmax|pt> dinossaurs > dogs
20:45 <ghableska> lol
20:45 <McSpiddles> she'd walk upto and per and rub on your leg
20:45 <McSpiddles> then you reach down to pet her
20:45 <McSpiddles> next thing you know
20:45 <McSpiddles> RAWR!!!!!
20:45 <madmax|pt> loooool
20:45 <Vanhayes> lol
20:45 <ghableska> haha
20:46 <McSpiddles> and
20:46 <McSpiddles> if you walk by a bed
20:46 <McSpiddles> you better be wearing shoes
20:46 <ghableska> heh
20:46 * McSpiddles used to always jump to his bed
20:46 <madmax|pt> oh, that's why...
20:46 <ghableska> o_O
20:46 <McSpiddles> i don't have that cat anymore thank god
20:47 <ghableska> heh
20:47 <McSpiddles> we couldn't bring it when i moved
20:47 <McSpiddles> so my stepdad's stuck with it
20:47 <McSpiddles> O_o
20:47 <Vanhayes> hmm is it america day?
20:47 <ghableska> :P
20:47 <McSpiddles> ex-stepdad*
20:47 <McSpiddles> yes it is
20:47 <McSpiddles> 4th of july
20:47 <Vanhayes> it just said on tv i wasnt sure
20:47 <ghableska> independence day
20:47 <McSpiddles> and i'ma goto the fireworks show at the lake tonight
20:48 <McSpiddles> lots of girls there and i need another girlfriend :>
20:48 <ghableska> :P
20:48 <madmax|pt> take the chiuaua
20:48 * McSpiddles classes his current one as a "crack whore"
20:48 <ghableska> chick magnet :P
20:48 <McSpiddles> and i mean that literally
20:48 <McSpiddles> :|
20:52 <McSpiddles> take the chiuaua?
20:52 <McSpiddles> haha
20:52 <McSpiddles> no way
20:52 <McSpiddles> that dog acts like it's dying when you put it on a leash
20:53 <ghableska> maybe the leash was too tight?
20:53 <ghableska> :P
20:53 <McSpiddles> no...
20:53 <McSpiddles> you can put a collar on him
20:53 <McSpiddles> but if you put a leash he rolls over and starts screaming
20:53 * McSpiddles feeds him to the labs
20:53 <McSpiddles> O-o
20:54 <ghableska> 0.o
20:54 <Vanhayes> chiuauas creep me out, their heads are too big for their body's
20:54 <McSpiddles> no
20:54 <McSpiddles> there's different breeds
20:54 <McSpiddles> lets see if i can use my webcam on linux i'll take a picture
20:55 <madmax|pt> Ok Vanhayes, close your eyes now
20:55 <Vanhayes> lol
20:55 <McSpiddles> how do i use a webcam in linux O_o
20:55 * Vanhayes uses windoows
20:56 <Vanhayes> so...
20:56 <McSpiddles> oh yea
20:56 <McSpiddles> i forgot i have a windows box
20:56 <McSpiddles> i'll use that if i can find the cd to install it
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #google linux webcam howto
20:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.47 seconds: Linux .com - The Webcam HOWTO: <http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml>; Linux .com - Specific Webcam Models: <http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml>; The Webcam HOWTO: <http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/>; Linux Online - The Webcam HOWTO: <http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Webcam-HOWTO/index.html>; Linux (2 more messages)
20:57 * wrtlprnft wonders why windows- users are so google- shy
20:58 <Vanhayes> i love google
20:58 <Vanhayes> use it all the time
20:58 <ghableska> lol
20:58 <Vanhayes> and isnt McSpiddles a linux user?
20:58 <Vanhayes> and a mac before that?
20:58 <wrtlprnft> he's some kind of windows wannabe geek
20:58 <Vanhayes> lol
20:59 <Vanhayes> heh a wanabe windows, never heard of that before
20:59 <wrtlprnft> no
20:59 <wrtlprnft> windows wannabe
20:59 <wrtlprnft> that means he uses windows and is a wannabe
20:59 <wrtlprnft> :P
21:00 <McSpiddles> meh
21:00 * wrtlprnft hides from McSpiddles
21:00 <McSpiddles> dog's hiding
21:00 * wrtlprnft hides behind deja_vu
21:00 <madmax|pt> o.O
21:00 * McSpiddles sicks madmax|pt on wrtlprnft
21:00 <wrtlprnft> sicks?
21:01 <McSpiddles> like
21:01 <McSpiddles> " GET 'EM BOY!"
21:01 <Vanhayes> #dict sicks
21:01 <ghableska> Oh.
21:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "sicks" could be found.
21:01 <madmax|pt> ... NOT
21:01 <deja_vu> o.o
21:01 <Vanhayes> #dict sick
21:01 <wrtlprnft> :p found it
21:01 <McSpiddles> lol
21:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sick \Sick\, n. Sickness. [Obs.] --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Sick \Sick\, v. i. To fall sick; to sicken. [Obs.] --Shak. [1913 Webster]; wn: sick adj 1: not in good physical or mental health; "ill from the monotony of his suffering" [syn: {ill}] [ant: {well}] 2: feeling nausea; feeling about to vomit [syn: {nauseated}, {queasy}, (12 more messages)
21:01 <ghableska> heh
21:01 <wrtlprnft> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&search=sick
21:01 <ghableska> does that mean madmax|pt will throw up on wrtlprnft?
21:01 <wrtlprnft> much more useful
21:01 * deja_vu pokes wrtlprnft with a screw driver O.o
21:01 <Vanhayes> lol
21:01 <wrtlprnft> argh
21:01 <Vanhayes> thats harsh
21:02 * wrtlprnft looks for another place to hide
21:02 * wrtlprnft doesn't find one
21:02 * ghableska offers a box
21:02 <madmax|pt> a windows box?
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21:02 <ghableska> brb
21:02 <McSpiddles> l;ol
21:02 <wrtlprnft> :D
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21:02 <deja_vu> o.o
21:02 <deja_vu> interesting :P
21:02 <McSpiddles> heh
21:03 <madmax|pt> l;ol > lol
21:03 <wrtlprnft> lol < l;ol?
21:03 <Vanhayes> hmm I dont think canada has enough tron players for the inter tron comp
21:03 <wrtlprnft> lol < l;ol < l;o;l?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> get fonkay as well...
21:03 <McSpiddles> McSpiddles > wrtlprnft
21:04 <wrtlprnft> in your dreams
21:04 <Vanhayes> #google fight McSpiddles wrtlprnft
21:04 <wrtlprnft> #armabot is McSpiddles > wrtlprnft?
21:04 <McSpiddles> lol
21:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: _I_ don't know.
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft: 9760, McSpiddles: 2
21:04 <wrtlprnft> hah!
21:04 <McSpiddles> lies
21:04 <McSpiddles> i want a remach
21:04 <Vanhayes> #google fight McSpiddles wrtlprnft
21:04 <McSpiddles> rematch
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft: 9760, McSpiddles: 2
21:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 2/97.60
21:04 <armabot> 2 / 97.60 = 0.0204918033
21:04 <madmax|pt> fight meeeee
21:04 <wrtlprnft> you habe 0.02% as many hits as i do
21:04 <McSpiddles> no you can't do the same one in a role :p
21:04 <Vanhayes> #google fight McSpiddles madmax|pt
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt: 392000000, McSpiddles: 2
21:04 <madmax|pt> pwn
21:04 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:04 <wrtlprnft> hahahaha!
21:05 <wrtlprnft> wow
21:05 <McSpiddles> #google fight McSpiddles madmax|pt
21:05 <armabot> McSpiddles: madmax|pt: 512000000, McSpiddles: 2
21:05 <wrtlprnft> #google madmax|pt
21:05 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.41 seconds: :: Portugal Telecom :: PT: <http://www.telecom.pt/>; Partido dos Trabalhadores ( PT ): <http://www.pt.org.br/>; PT Central - Main Menu. Comprehensive Physical Therapy Information: <http://www.ptcentral.com/>; Chrysler - PT Cruiser - Small Sport Compact Hatchback Cars: <http://www.chrysler.com/pt_cruiser/>; WebElements: Platinum: (1 more message)
21:05 <madmax|pt> loool
21:05 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes madmax|pt
21:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt: 392000000, Vanhayes: 272
21:05 <Vanhayes> heh
21:05 <madmax|pt> others tried and didnt make it
21:05 <madmax|pt> so...
21:05 <McSpiddles> #google fight wrtlprnft madmax|pt McSpiddles Vanhayes
21:05 <wrtlprnft> the heck?
21:05 <armabot> McSpiddles: madmax|pt: 512000000, wrtlprnft: 9760, Vanhayes: 660, McSpiddles: 2
21:05 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:05 <Vanhayes> um
21:05 <wrtlprnft> http://www.telecom.pt/ doesn't have any occurence of madmax|pt...
21:05 <Vanhayes> mine went up like 400
21:05 <madmax|pt> its the |pt
21:06 <wrtlprnft> argh
21:06 <wrtlprnft> #google 'madmax|pt'
21:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.23 seconds: :: Portugal Telecom :: PT: <http://www.telecom.pt/>; Partido dos Trabalhadores ( PT ): <http://www.pt.org.br/>; PT Central - Main Menu. Comprehensive Physical Therapy Information: <http://www.ptcentral.com/>; Chrysler - PT Cruiser - Small Sport Compact Hatchback Cars: <http://www.chrysler.com/pt_cruiser/>; WebElements: Platinum: (1 more message)
21:06 <wrtlprnft> #google '"madmax|pt"'
21:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.06 seconds: :: Portugal Telecom :: PT: <http://www.telecom.pt/>; Partido dos Trabalhadores ( PT ): <http://www.pt.org.br/>; PT Central - Main Menu. Comprehensive Physical Therapy Information: <http://www.ptcentral.com/>; Chrysler - PT Cruiser - Small Sport Compact Hatchback Cars: <http://www.chrysler.com/pt_cruiser/>; WebElements: Platinum: (1 more message)
21:06 <madmax|pt> lol
21:06 <wrtlprnft> #google "'madmax|pt'"
21:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.03 seconds: :: Portugal Telecom :: PT: <http://www.telecom.pt/>; Partido dos Trabalhadores ( PT ): <http://www.pt.org.br/>; PT Central - Main Menu. Comprehensive Physical Therapy Information: <http://www.ptcentral.com/>; Chrysler - PT Cruiser - Small Sport Compact Hatchback Cars: <http://www.chrysler.com/pt_cruiser/>; WebElements: Platinum: (1 more message)
21:06 <madmax|pt> well, the searches are getting faster
21:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:06 <Vanhayes> #google fight Vanhayes|pt madmax|pt
21:06 <wrtlprnft> #google Vanhayes
21:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt: 512000000, Vanhayes|pt: 389000000
21:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.32 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; Alientrap.org :: Viewing profile: <http://www.alientrap.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=242&sid=5b7119791fc2aadf7f92937f29cefca7>; na-wt.org :: Viewing profile: <http://na- (3 more messages)
21:07 <madmax|pt> pwn
21:07 <Vanhayes> lol
21:07 <wrtlprnft> alientrap?
21:07 <Vanhayes> alientrao?
21:07 <Vanhayes> er
21:07 <McSpiddles> #google fight McSpiddles wrtlprnft Vanhayes madmax|pt z-man
21:07 <madmax|pt> #google fight wrtlprnft|pt madmax|pt McSpiddles|pt Vanhayes|pt
21:07 <armabot> McSpiddles: madmax|pt: 512000000, z-man: 2980000, wrtlprnft: 9760, Vanhayes: 272, McSpiddles: 2
21:07 <armabot> madmax|pt: wrtlprnft|pt: 532000000, Vanhayes|pt: 530000000, madmax|pt: 512000000, McSpiddles|pt: 391000000
21:07 <McSpiddles> growl
21:07 <madmax|pt> erm...
21:07 <Vanhayes> ha
21:07 <madmax|pt> lol
21:07 <Vanhayes> my name seems to change numbers quite a bit
21:08 <madmax|pt> #google fight wrtlprnft madmax McSpiddles Vanhayes
21:08 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax: 1360000, wrtlprnft: 9760, Vanhayes: 272, McSpiddles: 2
21:08 <madmax|pt> this is the right one
21:08 <madmax|pt> so... pwn
21:08 <wrtlprnft> #google fight [wakespam]
21:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [Xpert]DarkStar, armabot, cusco, deja_vu, free-kill, guru3, Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr, madmax|pt, McSpiddles, mkzelda, Niii, Sakireth, SuPeRTaRD-bbl, Vanhayes, wejp, wrtlprnft, and z-man: 0
21:08 <McSpiddles> why do i only get 2
21:08 <wrtlprnft> gah
21:08 -!- McSpiddles is now known as spidey
21:08 <spidey> #google fight madmax spidey
21:08 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 5550000, madmax: 1360000
21:09 <spidey> pwn
21:09 <Vanhayes> O ya alien trap was for a freeware game called nexuiz, it wasnt that good
21:09 <wrtlprnft> #google fight deja_vu madmax Vanhayes wrtlprnft McSpiddles guru3 ghableska Lucifer_arma Luke-Jr mkzelda wejp cusco Sakireth spidey Niii free-kill DarkStar
21:09 <Vanhayes> lol
21:09 <guru3> ><
21:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DarkStar: 14300000, cusco: 8120000, spidey: 5260000, madmax: 1360000, Niii: 445000, free-kill: 107000, deja_vu: 87800, Luke-Jr: 82900, wejp: 38300, guru3: 19600, wrtlprnft: 9760, ghableska: 489, mkzelda: 353, Vanhayes: 272, Lucifer_arma: 85, Sakireth: 26, McSpiddles: 2
21:09 <madmax|pt> crap
21:09 <wrtlprnft> taking pretty long o_O
21:09 <Vanhayes> can u say wakespam?
21:09 <guru3> lol
21:09 <guru3> aye Vanhayes
21:09 <wrtlprnft> i was hoping it would #google fight everyone
21:10 <madmax|pt> #google fight Italy Germany
21:10 <armabot> madmax|pt: Germany: 1800000000, Italy: 1060000000
21:10 * wrtlprnft has to go beat Luke-Jr
21:10 <Vanhayes> #google fight Canada "the rest of the world"
21:10 <spidey> i came in 3rd xD
21:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:10 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:10 <spidey> you broke it
21:10 <Vanhayes> #google fight Canada "the world"
21:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:10 <Vanhayes> bah
21:11 <spidey> #google fight canada america
21:11 <armabot> spidey: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:11 <spidey> O_o
21:11 <Vanhayes> #google fight Canada Germany
21:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:11 <deja_vu> hehe
21:11 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
21:11 <Vanhayes> opps
21:11 <armabot> 1 + 2 = 3
21:11 <spidey> lol
21:11 <madmax|pt> #google fight portugal france
21:11 <armabot> madmax|pt: france: 2050000000, portugal: 667000000
21:11 <madmax|pt> heh
21:11 <Vanhayes> #google fight Canada Germany
21:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:11 <Vanhayes> Bah
21:11 <spidey> are the results to big?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> #google fight canada germany
21:11 <Vanhayes> #google fight Canada
21:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:11 <deja_vu> :O
21:12 <deja_vu> canada is evil *g*
21:12 <Vanhayes> #google fight germany canada
21:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
21:12 <spidey> #google fight deja_vu
21:12 <wrtlprnft> canada: 2,310,000,000
21:12 <armabot> spidey: deja_vu: 87800
21:12 <spidey> :p
21:12 <spidey> wait
21:12 <spidey> where's my points
21:12 <spidey> O_o
21:12 <madmax|pt> #google fight itunes winamp
21:12 <armabot> madmax|pt: itunes: 257000000, winamp: 49400000
21:12 <Vanhayes> bah winamp is better
21:12 <madmax|pt> on windows...
21:12 <madmax|pt> but on mac?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> #google fight "Microsoft Windows" "Gentoo Linux"
21:13 <madmax|pt> :P
21:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Microsoft Windows: 942000000, Gentoo Linux: 29100000
21:13 <Vanhayes> pwnt
21:13 <wrtlprnft> pfft
21:13 <Luke-Jr> #google fight "Microsoft Windows" Gentoo
21:13 <madmax|pt> #google fight "OS X" "Linux"
21:13 <spidey> owned and a half
21:13 <armabot> madmax|pt: Linux: 1300000000, OS X: 761000000
21:13 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871C55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Success]
21:13 <madmax|pt> lol
21:13 <wrtlprnft> #google fight "windows bug" "linux bug"
21:13 <Vanhayes> heh
21:13 <spidey> mmm?
21:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
21:13 <spidey> O_o
21:13 <madmax|pt> lol
21:13 <Vanhayes> u broke it
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #google fight "i hate windows" "i hate linux"
21:14 <spidey> #google fight wrtlprnft spidey
21:14 <Luke-Jr> .
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: i hate windows: 35700000, i hate linux: 19400000
21:14 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 5550000, wrtlprnft: 9760
21:14 <spidey> pwn
21:14 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that's not all you
21:14 <wrtlprnft> more people hate windows, it seems
21:14 <Vanhayes> #google wrtlprnft
21:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.29 seconds: wrtlprnft - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/wrtlprnft>; wrtlprnft - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/wrtlprnft?s_message=1>; User: Wrtlprnft - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft>; User talk: Wrtlprnft - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User_talk:Wrtlprnft>; (2 more messages)
21:14 <Vanhayes> #more
21:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft - About: <http://my.opera.com/wrtlprnft/about/>; wrtlprnft's pastebin - Untitled - post number 65650: <http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/65650>; wrtlprnft's pastebin - Mine - post number 69867: <http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/newest.php>; Armagetron Forums :: Viewing profile: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=855&>; fortune: (1 more message)
21:14 <Vanhayes> #more
21:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: <http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/fortune.php>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
21:14 <spidey> #less
21:14 <armabot> spidey: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
21:14 <spidey> O_o
21:14 <wrtlprnft> #help less
21:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (less <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who: <imagine fancy scroll features here> [more $*]".
21:15 <Vanhayes> #less echo the
21:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I haven't seen echo.
21:15 <Vanhayes> er
21:15 <Vanhayes> #less Vanhayes
21:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: That's all, there is no more.
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #echo [canada2][canada2][canada2]
21:15 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love (2 more messages)
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #less
21:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <imagine fancy scroll features here> in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see
21:15 <wrtlprnft> #less
21:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <imagine fancy scroll features here> thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
21:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:15 <spidey> O_o
21:15 <Vanhayes> lol
21:16 * Vanhayes stands up and sings
21:16 * wrtlprnft too
21:16 * spidey knocks them off there perch
21:16 <wrtlprnft> I'm tempted to go to some big soccer screen with a canada flag
21:16 <wrtlprnft> like where they show the game right now
21:17 * spidey wonders if he can run a server from his webserver O_o
21:17 * spidey tries
21:17 <wrtlprnft> cgi?
21:18 <spidey> i have shell access to it :p
21:18 <wrtlprnft> then you can
21:18 <Vanhayes> #google Vanhayes
21:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.05 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; Alientrap.org :: Viewing profile: <http://www.alientrap.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=242&sid=5b7119791fc2aadf7f92937f29cefca7>; na-wt.org :: Viewing profile: <http://na- (3 more messages)
21:18 <Vanhayes> #more
21:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: wt.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32&sid=c4ba6d2fd154eed7d5625a0aa7bf5aae>; Armagetron Advanced Servers: <http://aabeta.dashjr.org/serverlist.php?sort=address>; Armagetron Advanced Servers: <http://aabeta.dashjr.org/serverlist.php?sort=version>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - BUG cries on Bugfarm Fortress ...: (2 more messages)
21:18 <Vanhayes> #more
21:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3081&start=135&>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - BUG cries on Bugfarm Fortress ...: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&sid=5180dc52e99935abfe9236d27e742c4b>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; drumandbass.at - Members List: (1 more message)
21:18 <Vanhayes> #more
21:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: <http://v3.drumandbass.at/board/memberlist.php?s=05a63bc523c426809ce82c8190e05f58<r=V>; Petfinder.com Message Boards :: View Forum - Happy Tails [ ]: <http://forums.petfinder.com/viewforum.php?f=3&topicdays=0&start=450&>
21:19 <wrtlprnft> happy tails on perfinder! yay
21:19 <wrtlprnft> *pet
21:19 <Vanhayes> hmm that isnt me
21:19 <wrtlprnft> that's what they all say
21:19 <guru3> gah too much stuff with my name in it
21:20 <wrtlprnft> #google blaze
21:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.21 seconds: Planet Blaze: <http://www.planetblaze.com/>; Blaze Media Pro: <http://www.blazemp.com/>; BLAZE: <http://www.blaze.com/>; Enterprise Decision Management: Blaze Advisor - Business Rules ...: <http://www.fairisaac.com/rules>; 104-1 The Blaze - Lincoln's Pure Rock: <http://www.kibz.com/>; Music and Audio Software by Blaze Audio: (1 more message)
21:20 <wrtlprnft> #google fight blaze
21:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: blaze: 37900000
21:20 <Vanhayes> lol
21:20 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/phpnuke]# send
21:20 <spidey> -jailshell: send: command not found
21:20 <spidey> wtf
21:20 <wrtlprnft> not all spidey
21:20 <wrtlprnft> send?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> #man send
21:20 <spidey> random
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: send, sendto, sendmsg - send a message on a socket
21:20 <Vanhayes> #help man
21:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
21:20 <spidey> what's a jailshell....
21:21 <wrtlprnft> one in a chroot
21:21 <spidey> mmm
21:21 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia jailshell
21:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No matches found. (Search took 0.46 seconds)
21:22 <Vanhayes> ahahahaha http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=968e70e4633ccf004cf9cbf453850f6c&showtopic=10700&pid=216189&st=20&#entry216189
21:22 <Vanhayes> heh not me
21:22 <madmax|pt> "One toe - Booger" o_O
21:22 * wrtlprnft is happy to be able to say that wrtlprnft is wrtlprnft, always
21:23 <spidey> mmm
21:23 <Vanhayes> lol there is more Vanhayes' than i thought there would be
21:24 <spidey> .3 source not on the site? O_o
21:24 <wrtlprnft> #fight "windows sucks" "windows rocks"
21:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: windows rocks: 21100000, windows sucks: 16600000
21:24 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:24 <Vanhayes> lol
21:24 <wrtlprnft> some people have weird opinions
21:24 <deja_vu> hehe
21:24 <wrtlprnft> #fight "gentoo sucks" "gentoo rocks"
21:24 <Vanhayes> #fight armagetron Gltron
21:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: gentoo rocks: 1390000, gentoo sucks: 313000
21:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: armagetron: 278000, Gltron: 169000
21:24 <wrtlprnft> yay
21:25 <wrtlprnft> GLTron should be part of armagetronad anyways
21:25 <wrtlprnft> as gTehSuck
21:27 <spidey> but Armagetron is harder to beat
21:27 <spidey> O_o
21:28 <Vanhayes> #fight spidey van hayes
21:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: van: 1600000000, hayes: 87100000, spidey: 5550000
21:28 <Vanhayes> er
21:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5581 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/config/aiplayers.cfg.in: Renamed the bot Armagetron to ArmagetronAd
21:29 <Vanhayes> #fight spidey "van hayes"
21:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
21:29 <Vanhayes> grr
21:29 <Vanhayes> #fight spidey "van hayes"
21:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
21:29 <Vanhayes> bah
21:31 <Vanhayes> #fight spidey "van hayes"
21:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: van hayes: 19300000, spidey: 5260000
21:31 <spidey> ftp> send /home/spidey/Desktop/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:31 <spidey> local: /home/spidey/Desktop/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package remote: /home/spidey/Desktop/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:31 <spidey> 200 PORT command successful
21:31 <spidey> 553-Can't open that file: No such file or directory
21:31 <spidey> 553 Rename/move failure: No such file or directory
21:31 <spidey> BAH
21:32 <madmax|pt> o_O
21:32 <Vanhayes> Can anyone tell me what heberge is?
21:33 <spidey> mmpfft
21:33 <spidey> ftp> get http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:33 <spidey> local: http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package remote: http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:33 <spidey> local: http://ufpr.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package: No such file or directory
21:36 <Vanhayes> #list
21:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
21:36 <madmax|pt> #man get
21:36 <armabot> madmax|pt: (This would apply to all commands accepting a 2-digit year as || (as well as the SID of the version to be eventually created by || (delta) of an SCCS file to be retrieved. The table shows, for || -c cutoff || -r SID || 1969 to 1999 inclusive, and values in the range [00,68] shall refer to || Any number of non-numeric characters may separate the various 2-digit || (5 more messages)
21:36 <madmax|pt> o_O
21:36 <Vanhayes> lol
21:36 <Vanhayes> #praise madmax|pt for his skill with armabot
21:36 * armabot falls down to his knees and praises madmax|pt for his skill with armabot
21:36 <madmax|pt> dont you wan wget instead?
21:37 <madmax|pt> err want
21:37 <spidey> oh yea
21:37 <spidey> xD
21:38 <spidey> 100%[=========================================================>] 1,178,119 135.88K/s ETA 00:00
21:38 <spidey> 20:38:07 (135.88 KB/s) - `armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package' saved [1178119/1178119]
21:38 <spidey> lol
21:38 <madmax|pt> LOL
21:38 <madmax|pt> seemed like it
21:38 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/phpnuke]# ./armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
21:38 <spidey> -jailshell: ./armagetronad-dedicated-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package: Permission denied
21:38 <spidey> haha
21:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey: bash arma*
21:41 <wrtlprnft> or chmod a+x arma*
21:42 <spidey> lol
21:42 <spidey> worked
21:42 * wrtlprnft 's gonna have some fun accessing spidey's server config via http
21:43 <spidey> An error occured while trying to ask the user for the password: Unable to allocate a pseudo terminal: Exec format error
21:43 <spidey> Attempting to continue without asking for password...
21:43 <spidey> autopackage/install: line 1: /sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
21:43 <spidey> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
21:43 <spidey> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
21:43 <spidey> It can be manually downloaded and installed by running the
21:43 <spidey> installation script located in the downloaded archive.
21:43 <spidey> O_o
21:43 <wrtlprnft> gosh
21:43 <spidey> um
21:43 <wrtlprnft> get a source and compile it on your machine with the right prefix
21:43 <wrtlprnft> then upload and just unpack it
21:43 <spidey> i think i can compile on the server
21:43 <spidey> sec
21:44 <wrtlprnft> autopackage is way too bloated, like those windows installers
21:44 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/phpnuke]# make
21:44 <spidey> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
21:44 <spidey> i can :p
21:44 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't mean you have g++ and the right libraries
21:44 <wrtlprnft> namely libxml
21:44 <spidey> mm
21:44 <spidey> i can try
21:45 <spidey> ...
21:45 <spidey> no source for 2.8 and .3
21:45 <spidey> O_o
21:47 <Vanhayes> sweet canada has 3 people now
21:48 <guru3> speaking of canada
21:48 <guru3> i saw a movie described as a 'canadian thriller'
21:48 <guru3> isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
21:48 <Vanhayes> hey, canda is thrilling
21:48 <Vanhayes> er
21:48 <Vanhayes> canada
21:49 <Vanhayes> it can be anyway, as much as any place I guess
21:49 <Vanhayes> what movie was it btw?
21:50 <guru3> beats me
21:50 <guru3> more like
21:50 <guru3> i saw of a movie
21:51 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871C55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
21:51 <Vanhayes> #google Sir Markus Perry
21:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.41 seconds: Welcome Visitor MUSIC | LOG IN/REGISTER | COLLABS | GUEST BOOK ...: <http://www.96decibels.com/>; Slagwerkwereld.com artist, artistpages, artistnews: <http://www.slagwerkwereld.com/artists/artist.php>; Hampton, New Brunswick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton,_New_Brunswick>; Markus Pierson Posters at AllPosters.com: (2 more messages)
21:52 <Vanhayes> Ha
21:53 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
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21:53 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
21:53 <ghableska> ty vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv\
21:53 <ghableska> er
21:53 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
21:53 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
21:53 <ghableska> that was a longer freeze than normal...
21:53 <Vanhayes> heh get a wired keboard
21:54 <ghableska> :)
21:54 <Vanhayes> keyboard*
21:57 <wrtlprnft> spidey: sure there should be sources...
21:58 <spidey> only source for the newest version is 2.8.2
21:58 <spidey> found it on the front page
21:58 <spidey> it's not in the beta page :p
21:58 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.2.8&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=%28Source%29&arch=x86&bitness=_32&format=#download
21:58 <ghableska> :P
21:58 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=%28Source%29&arch=x86&bitness=_32&format=#download
21:58 <spidey> :|
21:58 <wrtlprnft> 4 files, choose one
21:59 <wrtlprnft> tbz2 is best
21:59 <spidey> um
21:59 <spidey> no...
21:59 <spidey> i need the server
21:59 <spidey> not client
21:59 <spidey> :p
21:59 <wrtlprnft> err
21:59 <wrtlprnft> same thing
21:59 <spidey> not
21:59 <wrtlprnft> the sources are for both the client and server
21:59 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:59 <spidey> O_o
21:59 <wrtlprnft> heck, i have compiled arma 100 times more often than you
21:59 <ghableska> o_O
21:59 <wrtlprnft> ./configure --disable-glout
22:00 <spidey> sh-2.05b$ ./configure --diable-glout
22:00 <spidey> sh: ./configure: Permission denied
22:00 <spidey> lol
22:00 <wrtlprnft> you didn't take the zip, right?
22:00 <spidey> bash ./configure
22:01 <spidey> nope
22:01 <spidey> ls
22:01 <spidey> er
22:01 <wrtlprnft> then there's something weird with your permissions
22:01 <wrtlprnft> spidey: and tell me where you found a server source file on armagetronad.net
22:01 <spidey> configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
22:01 <spidey> See `config.log' for more details.
22:01 <spidey> sh-2.05b$
22:01 <spidey> O_o
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that would be extremely odd
22:02 <spidey> it's umm
22:02 <spidey> click downloads
22:02 <spidey> then goto the last second
22:02 <spidey> there's the source
22:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:02 <wrtlprnft> for both dedicated and client, one file
22:02 <wrtlprnft> and those happen to be the same files as the ones on aabeta
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Online Servers
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Come join |AST| Paul or |AST| Paul on Norm's Place!
22:03 <wrtlprnft> maybe i could join them both?
22:03 <guru3> never could work that bug out...
22:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: ?
22:04 <guru3> where it showed the same person twice ><
22:04 <wrtlprnft> oh
22:04 <wrtlprnft> just copy the array
22:04 <wrtlprnft> then get a random element
22:04 <wrtlprnft> then print that
22:04 <wrtlprnft> then delete it from the copy
22:04 <wrtlprnft> then get a random element again
22:05 <guru3> i forget what i tried to make it do exactly...
22:06 <wrtlprnft> show two different people on the same server assuming there's more than one?
22:06 <guru3> yeah
22:06 <guru3> but i mean what i tried to make it do to avoid showing the same person twice
22:06 <wrtlprnft> looks like it didn't work O_o
22:07 <guru3> it does sometimes
22:07 <wrtlprnft> Online Servers
22:07 <wrtlprnft> Come join ~"XzL.Shaggy or ~"XzL.Shaggy on XzL. Clan "The Server"!
22:07 <wrtlprnft> again
22:07 <guru3> whoops
22:16 <wrtlprnft> did you guys ever notice the warning text on aabeta changes?
22:20 * wrtlprnft thinks about things to add to that list
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22:27 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5582 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: Added a few more disasters :)
22:28 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BA5F2.versanet.de] has quit [Connection timed out]
22:28 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work, they don't appear on aabeta :(
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22:37 <ghableska> Vanhayes: is your screen frozen?
22:37 <Vanhayes> I was disconnected
22:38 <ghableska> me too
22:38 <ghableska> everyone froze for about a minute
22:38 <ghableska> ;)
22:38 <Vanhayes> lol
22:38 <Vanhayes> hmm cant get back on
22:39 <ghableska> I'm at deathmatch
22:40 <Vanhayes> me too :)
22:50 <Luke-Jr> ugh
22:50 <Luke-Jr> Debian is annoying
22:50 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what disasters?
22:53 <spidey> O_o
22:55 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
22:59 <madmax|pt> lagfarm indeed
23:00 <ghableska> :P
23:01 -!- armabot [n=supybot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:02 -!- armabot [n=supybot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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23:12 <madmax|pt> its the 2nd time armabot trips his modem line
23:15 <spidey> ok
23:15 <spidey> going to the river
23:15 <spidey> bbl
23:16 <madmax|pt> bye
23:16 <cusco> why is debian anoying? :(
23:16 <cusco> tronning in
23:17 <Luke-Jr> cusco: gotta install a ton of extra crap just to compile
23:17 <cusco> I used to have list of packages
23:20 <madmax|pt> i think everyone is either watching football or at the 4th july celebrations
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the disasters on the aabeta page
23:21 <cusco> lol
23:21 <wrtlprnft> It is possible that they may impregnate you (even if you are male!), stop your (other) addictions, become flatter than a pancake, hide your newspaper, or melt your monitor!
23:24 <ghableska> o_O
23:25 <madmax|pt> thats too sick wrtlprnft
23:25 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do that...
23:25 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/
23:25 <wrtlprnft> err
23:26 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=GNU%2FLinux&arch=x86&bitness=_32&format=#download
23:26 <wrtlprnft> that page
23:26 <wrtlprnft> look at the big warnings
23:26 <wrtlprnft> the text is different every time you reload
23:26 <guru3> muahaha
23:26 <guru3> i just found the best app i wrote in java
23:27 <guru3> it cracks me up
23:27 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:27 <madmax|pt> is that on purpose?
23:27 <guru3> looks like i wrote it a couple years ago
23:27 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/temp/repeat.java
23:27 <guru3> circa nov 5 2003
23:28 <wrtlprnft> nice app
23:28 <madmax|pt> italy 2-0 :O
23:28 <madmax|pt> in the last minute
23:28 <guru3> hahahaha
23:28 <guru3> germany got pwnt
23:28 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:28 <wrtlprnft> you can here it all around my apartment
23:28 <wrtlprnft> *hear
23:29 <guru3> my parents were all shouting too ><
23:29 <wrtlprnft> my parents aren't shouting
23:29 <wrtlprnft> everyone else in the block is
23:29 <deja_vu> you should hear my mother^^
23:29 <ghableska> lol
23:29 <madmax|pt> lol
23:29 <madmax|pt> i think everyone likes the germans
23:29 <madmax|pt> lol
23:29 <wrtlprnft> we have lots of italians around here
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's why it's so loud :D
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23:30 <wrtlprnft> probably z-man will be so depressed tomorrow that he'll ignore my BUG cries on lagfarm :S
23:30 <guru3> lol
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23:31 * ghableska was happily suiciding :P
23:31 <wrtlprnft> but fun playing around with the config on that server :)
23:32 <ghableska> hehe
23:32 <ghableska> it was nearly impossible when you made the map smaller
23:45 <guru3> sleep time
23:45 <guru3> good night
23:46 <madmax|pt> cya guru3
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23:53 * wrtlprnft would paste the italian national anthem in here if it wasn't so bloody long
23:53 * wrtlprnft posts a link instead
23:53 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Canto_degli_Italiani#Lyrics
23:53 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:55 <mkzelda> how'd everyone celebrate the 4th of july?
23:55 <ghableska> O_o
23:55 <Vanhayes> like this
23:55 * wrtlprnft didn't
23:55 <Vanhayes> #canada2
23:55 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
23:55 * ghableska didn't
23:56 <wrtlprnft> who cares about the US?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> ;)
23:56 <mkzelda> What? you mean you dont have a day to celebrate fireworks and the 4th day of the month?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> no
23:56 <ghableska> we do
23:56 <ghableska> who?
23:56 <Vanhayes> I have canada day
23:56 <wrtlprnft> i missed it :(
23:56 * mkzelda likes asking non US people that, just to sound like a typical stupid american
23:56 <Vanhayes> lol
23:56 <mkzelda> its the one day not to speak to english people
23:56 <ghableska> haha
23:57 * ghableska gets silenced :)
23:57 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft it rained all day here but stopp around 10 pm so we had a good fireworks show
23:57 <cusco> germany
23:57 <cusco> go home
23:57 <cusco> :p
23:57 <mkzelda> I manage a pool, it was 100 degrees and slammed
23:57 <wrtlprnft> we had a nice and sunny day until around 8PM when munich went crazy again for the WM
23:58 <deja_vu> :s
23:58 <wrtlprnft> then it wasn't nice at all anymore, although still sunny
23:58 <Vanhayes> WM?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> world cup
23:58 <Vanhayes> er
23:58 <wrtlprnft> soccer
23:59 <ghableska> football
23:59 <Vanhayes> no its soccer :)
23:59 <ghableska> football :P
23:59 <cusco> footbal
23:59 <wrtlprnft> crazy-game-where-22-people-chase-a-ball-around
23:59 <mkzelda> i've never seen so many mexicans fit into one vehicle
23:59 <cusco> soccer is only in america
23:59 <Vanhayes> and canada
23:59 <mkzelda> they did nothing to help the stereotype
23:59 <cusco> wrtlprnft: don't forget the referee
23:59 <Vanhayes> tho some call it football
23:59 <ghableska> and you really don't use your feet that much in american football
23:59 <cusco> right.. canada
23:59 <mkzelda> at least, not to manipulate the ball
Log from 2006-07-05:
--- Day changed Wed Jul 05 2006
00:00 <cusco> footbal
00:00 <mkzelda> 4 cars in the parking lot, and 100's of people in the pool
00:00 <mkzelda> 23 people got out of one van
00:00 <Vanhayes> lol
00:00 <cusco> lol
00:00 <cusco> dudes
00:00 <cusco> what was that command
00:00 <cusco> to set the font
00:00 <cusco> on 0.3
00:01 <wrtlprnft> cusco: the referee doesn't really chase the ball, he chases the players who chase the ball
00:01 <mkzelda> /set_the_font_to_0.3
00:01 <wrtlprnft> funt_file
00:01 <wrtlprnft> *font_file
00:01 <wrtlprnft> put the .ttf into textures/
00:01 <mkzelda> oh, that should totally be the command
00:01 <cusco> thanks
00:01 <cusco> yes
00:01 <mkzelda> its a lot easier to remember
00:01 * Vanhayes wonders why soccer is so popular
00:01 * wrtlprnft too
00:02 <mkzelda> i didnt know it was
00:02 <Vanhayes> is there fights in soccer?
00:02 <mkzelda> only between the fans and the refs
00:02 <Vanhayes> lol
00:02 <Vanhayes> its popular in not northamerica it seems
00:03 * ghableska doesn't care about sports :P
00:03 <cusco> i not notrh america
00:03 * Vanhayes doesnt care about many sports
00:03 <cusco> ghableska: you just killed me
00:03 <cusco> :(
00:03 <ghableska> :(
00:03 <cusco> really bad
00:03 <Vanhayes> some are good
00:03 * wrtlprnft doesn't care about sports at all, particulatily not soccer
00:04 <Vanhayes> I watch hockry and boxing, though not much of either lately
00:04 <Vanhayes> hockey*
00:04 <mkzelda> hockey is pretty popular here in raleigh :D
00:04 <Vanhayes> where is releigh?
00:04 <mkzelda> North Carolina
00:05 <Vanhayes> lol
00:05 <mkzelda> Carolina Hurricanes
00:05 <Vanhayes> bah
00:06 <mkzelda> most ppl ive known generally only care about nfl/ncaa football and ncaa basketball
00:06 <ghableska> ncaa?
00:06 <Vanhayes> I find basket ball pretty boring
00:07 <Vanhayes> fottball is ok sometimes
00:07 <Vanhayes> football*
00:07 <Vanhayes> non soccer football that is
00:08 <madmax|pt> heh
00:08 <mkzelda> ncaa = college/university level, before pro
00:08 <mkzelda> better to watch before they get paid
00:08 <mkzelda> and have nowhere higher to go
00:09 <mkzelda> where they play ~16 games a season instead of 80
00:09 <mkzelda> so they try hard every game
00:11 <cusco> raleigh is a bicycle mark
00:11 <cusco> or make
00:12 <Vanhayes> #google raleigh
00:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.22 seconds: City of Raleigh: <http://www.raleigh-nc.org/>; Raleigh USA: <http://www.raleighusa.com/>; Greater Raleigh Convention & Visitors Bureau: <http://www.visitraleigh.com/>; Raleigh Chamber of Commerce: <http://www.raleighchamber.org/>; Raleigh Bikes UK: <http://www.raleighbikes.com/>; newsobserver.com | Home: <http://www.newsobserver.com/>; Raleigh (1 more message)
00:12 <Vanhayes> #more
00:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: /Durham International Airport - RDU: <http://www.rdu.com/>; Raleigh Information Site, Virtual Raleigh , North Carolina: <http://www.virtualraleigh.com/>; National Weather Service Forecast Office: <http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/rah/>; *** Raleigh OnLine - Raleigh , Durham, Chapel Hill, Triangle, NC ...: <http://www.webs4you.com/raleigh/>
00:12 <cusco> #google raleigh bikes
00:12 <armabot> cusco: Search took 0.48 seconds: Raleigh Bikes UK: <http://www.raleighbikes.com/>; Raleigh USA Bikes for road, mountain, tandem bicycles, performance ...: <http://www.raleighusa.com/>; Bike Registration- Raleigh USA: <http://www.raleighusa.com/register.asp>; Older Raleigh Bicycles-the Evolution of the Raleigh Sports, by ...: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh.html>; English Three-speeds- (2 more messages)
00:12 <Vanhayes> lol
00:12 <cusco> :/
00:13 <madmax|pt> you really like #more...
00:13 <madmax|pt> #more and #more and #more and ...
00:13 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: I haven't seen and.
00:13 <madmax|pt> lol
00:13 <Vanhayes> ha
00:13 <madmax|pt> i haven't seen and neither
00:13 <Vanhayes> #seen and
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have not seen and.
00:13 <madmax|pt> #seen noobishtronner
00:13 <armabot> madmax|pt: I have not seen noobishtronner.
00:13 <madmax|pt> nope
00:14 <Vanhayes> #seen madmax|pt
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt was last seen in #armagetron 23 seconds ago: <madmax|pt> nope
00:14 <Vanhayes> #seen fcukfcuk
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: fcukfcuk was last seen in #armagetron 5 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <fcukfcuk> the keys are like right next to each other.
00:15 <ghableska> haha
00:15 <Vanhayes> heh
00:15 <ghableska> I remember that :)
00:15 <Vanhayes> I dont
00:15 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
00:15 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
00:23 <wrtlprnft> i guess that file is getting a little big by now x-x
00:28 <madmax|pt> #last --from fcukfcuk --nolimit
00:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 734 messages.
00:28 <madmax|pt> that doesnt cover the whole logfile, right?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: it gets reset every time armabot logs out
00:28 <madmax|pt> ah..
00:28 <wrtlprnft> the #realchatlogs are mine
00:29 <madmax|pt> ok
00:33 <Vanhayes> #dotdotdot
00:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: [17:15:24] <Vanhayes> heh, [17:13:32] <madmax|pt> lol, [17:13:03] <Vanhayes> lol, [17:08:44] <madmax|pt> heh, [17:05:50] <Vanhayes> bah, [17:05:21] <Vanhayes> lol, [17:03:03] <Vanhayes> lol, [17:02:15] * wrtlprnft too, [17:01:43] <cusco> yes, [17:00:46] <cusco> lol, [17:00:44] <Vanhayes> lol, [16:59:03] <Vanhayes> WM?, [16:57:04] <Vanhayes> lol, [16:55:31] <ghableska> O_o, [16:54:07] (1 more message)
00:34 <ghableska> o_O
00:34 <Vanhayes> #more
00:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: <madmax|pt> o_O, [16:31:02] <guru3> lol, [16:29:59] <madmax|pt> lol, [16:29:49] <madmax|pt> lol, [16:29:44] <ghableska> lol, [16:27:20] <madmax|pt> o_O, [16:26:08] <wrtlprnft> err, [16:24:53] <ghableska> o_O, [16:21:58] <cusco> lol, [16:16:36] <madmax|pt> bye, and [16:15:40] <spidey> bbl
00:35 <Vanhayes> #list
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:35 <Vanhayes> #list insult
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: insult
00:35 <Vanhayes> #help insult
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (insult [<target>]) -- Reply optionally directed at a random string, person, object, etc.
00:35 <Vanhayes> #insult armabot
00:35 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a droning heap of surly poop.
00:35 <Vanhayes> heh
00:35 <Vanhayes> #list misc
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
00:36 <Vanhayes> #help apropos
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: (apropos <string>) -- Searches for <string> in the commands currently offered by the bot, returning a list of the commands containing that string.
00:36 <wrtlprnft> finally armabot said a true thing
00:36 <wrtlprnft> 00:35 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a droning heap of surly poop.
00:36 <Vanhayes> lol
00:36 <wrtlprnft> jk
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list channel
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list channellogger
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger" to see what configuration variables it has.
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list channelstats
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: channelstats and stats
00:37 <Vanhayes> #stats
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have 9 registered users with 7 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 1 admin.
00:37 <Vanhayes> #channelstats
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: On #armagetron there have been 124510 messages, containing 5088020 characters, 900897 words, 10087 smileys, and 3742 frowns; 4221 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 3345 joins, 479 parts, 2814 quits, 5 kicks, 73 mode changes, and 20 topic changes.
00:38 <Vanhayes> #list games
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
00:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
00:38 <Vanhayes> #monologue
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.
00:38 <Vanhayes> heh
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #monologue
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
00:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #monologue
00:38 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
00:38 <Vanhayes> #coin
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: The command "coin" is available in the Alias and Games plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "coin".
00:38 <Vanhayes> #games coin
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: tails
00:39 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:39 <armabot> heads
00:39 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:39 <armabot> heads
00:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
00:39 <Vanhayes> heh
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #help alias coin
00:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #games coin
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (alias coin <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo heads".
00:39 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: heads
00:39 <Vanhayes> bah
00:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #games coin
00:39 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: heads
00:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #games coin
00:39 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: tails
00:39 <ghableska> #games coin
00:39 <armabot> ghableska: heads
00:40 <Vanhayes> heads u give me $20 bucks tails I give you $1000
00:40 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:40 <armabot> heads
00:40 <ghableska> #games coin
00:40 <armabot> ghableska: tails
00:40 <ghableska> lol
00:40 <ghableska> :D
00:40 <Vanhayes> lol
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #games coin
00:40 * ghableska waits for the money ;)
00:40 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: tails
00:40 <Vanhayes> hey it was heads first
00:40 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:40 <armabot> heads
00:40 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:40 <armabot> heads
00:40 <Vanhayes> lol
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aMule sucks -.-
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #switchtotails
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> tails
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> tails
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> tails
00:41 <ghableska> lol
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #switchtoheads
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> heads
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> heads
00:41 <Luke-Jr> #coin
00:41 <armabot> heads
00:41 <Luke-Jr> #coin
00:41 <Luke-Jr> #coin
00:41 <Vanhayes> lol
00:41 <Vanhayes> #alias coin
00:41 <armabot> heads
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #quit
00:41 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:41 <Vanhayes> #dice
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
00:42 <Vanhayes> #dice 1d6
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 2
00:42 <wrtlprnft> #superdice 99 99
00:42 <armabot> Results: 92 || 64 || 75 || 21 || 21 || 4 || 56 || 19 || 40 || 64 || 48 || 81 || 48 || 2 || 6 || 40 || 90 || 14 || 56 || 64 || 94 || 64 || 87 || 52 || 6 || 71 || 86 || 52 || 74 || 47 || 22 || 67 || 12 || 97 || 87 || 32 || 1 || 43 || 51 || 41 || 7 || 99 || 22 || 55 || 1 || 28 || 95 || 90 || 42 (2 more messages)
00:42 <Vanhayes> ack
00:42 <wrtlprnft> #less
00:42 <wrtlprnft> #less
00:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <imagine fancy scroll features here> || 52 || 55 || 36 || 16 || 43 || 87 || 21 || 15 || 74 || 73 || 88 || 22 || 95 || 55 || 33 || 92 || 43 || 65 || 93 || 85 || 16 || 34 || 92 || 15 || 56 || 48 || 15 || 84 || 44 || 6 || 26 || 95 || 61 || 62 || 12 || 5 || 49 || 33 || 19 || 24 || 6 || 7 || 45 || 1 || 62 || 77 || 93 || 5 || 42 |
00:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: <imagine fancy scroll features here> 86 || Sum: 4793
00:42 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:42 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:42 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:42 <Vanhayes> #games roulette
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roullette
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulettte
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #roullette
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
00:43 <armabot> *click*
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulete
00:43 <armabot> *click*
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulettte
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulettte
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <armabot> *click*
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulettte
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #roulettte
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <armabot> *click*
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <armabot> *click*
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:43 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:43 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:43 <Vanhayes> #roulette
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:43 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:43 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:43 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:43 <Vanhayes> lol
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:43 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
00:43 <wrtlprnft> poor armabot
00:43 <Vanhayes> night
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:43 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
00:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah, me too
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Wed Jul 5 00:44:15 CEST 2006
00:44 <Vanhayes> night [Xpert]DarkStar and wrtlprnft
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nigh Vanhayes and wrtlprnft
00:44 <ghableska> night
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> +t
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night guru3
00:44 <Vanhayes> #list alias
00:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, (1 more message)
00:44 <ghableska> wow
00:44 <Vanhayes> #help all
00:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: (all <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "channel nicks $channel".
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try #ch ;)
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
00:44 <armabot> +
00:44 <Vanhayes> #canada
00:44 <armabot> 4
00:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now i'm really off
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cyall
00:45 <Vanhayes> cya
00:45 <Vanhayes> #all
00:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: [Xpert]DarkStar, armabot, cusco, deja_vu, free-kill, ghableska, guru3, Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr, madmax|pt, mkzelda, Niii, spidey, SuPeRTaRD-bbl, Vanhayes, wejp, and wrtlprnft
00:45 <Vanhayes> er
00:45 * Vanhayes plays with armabot in private
00:46 <Niii> yay stop wake up me :>
00:46 <Vanhayes> lol sry
00:46 <Niii> gn all :)
00:47 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
00:48 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: you playin w/ armabot's privates?!?!
00:48 <ghableska> o_O
00:48 <Vanhayes> lol
00:49 <Luke-Jr> I should get my bot here
00:49 <Vanhayes> Im playing with armabot in private
00:49 <Vanhayes> er that doesnt sound better
00:49 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:49 <ghableska> you are privately playing with armabot?
00:49 <Vanhayes> lol
00:49 * Vanhayes notes that armabot is a girl bot so it is ok
00:49 <Luke-Jr> no
00:49 <Vanhayes> no?
00:50 <Luke-Jr> unless you're married
00:50 <Vanhayes> lol
00:50 <Luke-Jr> to a bot
00:50 <Luke-Jr> o.O
00:50 <Luke-Jr> if ya ain't married, the clothes gotta stay on
00:51 * ghableska covers eyes
00:52 <Vanhayes> heh clothes dont nessessaryly stop anything
00:52 <ghableska> ...
00:53 * Vanhayes pretends nothing happened
00:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> *yawn*
00:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> back for a second
00:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and btw
00:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> armabot is pregnant
00:56 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:57 <Luke-Jr> crap
00:57 <Luke-Jr> don't tell Lucifer_arma
00:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Vanhayes: congrats
00:57 <ghableska> lol
00:57 <ghableska> what are you going to name it?
00:57 <ghableska> :P
00:57 <Vanhayes> vanbot
00:57 <ghableska> creative...
00:57 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:57 <Vanhayes> lol
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> luckily it's highly unlikely Vanhayes can produce the right kind of seed to get armabot pregnant
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00:59 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: oh, you'd be surprised
00:59 * vanbot cries
00:59 <Luke-Jr> crap, now we have a baby in the channel
00:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mm yeah
01:00 * vanbot grows up
01:00 <Vanhayes> ....
01:00 -!- vanbot [n=pso@84-74-43-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #armagetron [""not funny""]
01:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> right
01:02 <ghableska> yup
01:02 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: hi vanbot
01:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm off to bed for real now
01:03 <madmax|pt> is _TEST_ here!?
01:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:03 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:03 <ghableska> night
01:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #all
01:03 <madmax|pt> lol
01:03 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: [Xpert]DarkStar, armabot, cusco, deja_vu, free-kill, ghableska, guru3, Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr, madmax|pt, mkzelda, spidey, SuPeRTaRD-bbl, Vanhayes, wejp, and wrtlprnft
01:03 <Luke-Jr> #all
01:04 <Luke-Jr> anyone want to hire me to write some code?
01:04 <Luke-Jr> =po
01:04 <Luke-Jr> =p*
01:04 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt why do you ask?
01:05 <madmax|pt> i wonder who he is
01:05 <Vanhayes> I think he is a sumo bot
01:05 <Vanhayes> he never talks
01:07 <madmax|pt> he once talked
01:07 <madmax|pt> i SAW
01:07 <madmax|pt> lol
01:07 <madmax|pt> he said "2 hours"
01:07 <madmax|pt> when asked, "youve been here long no?"
01:07 <ghableska> o_O
01:08 <madmax|pt> well, my fav kill in sumo is him
01:08 <madmax|pt> its sooooo funny to pwn 30's pingers
01:08 <ghableska> lol
01:08 <madmax|pt> and know he always tries to "steal" our zones, when you face him there its sooo cool
01:08 <madmax|pt> lol
01:08 <madmax|pt> and *now
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> ping of 30 on sumo? he's probably z-man
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01:54 <cusco> #hello
01:54 <armabot> Hello cusco :)
01:58 <Vanhayes> bbl
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02:26 <madmax|pt> #last
02:26 <armabot> madmax|pt: [18:59:02] <Vanhayes> bbl
02:27 <Vanhayes> lol, benn talking alot while I was gone I see
02:27 <madmax|pt> what timezone is this thing on?
02:31 <Vanhayes> hmm it is 2 hours slow so maybe North american central?
02:32 <Vanhayes> wait it is Lucifer_arma's bot so it is on Texas time
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03:02 <Lucifer_arma> CDT
03:29 <Vanhayes> what does CDT stand for?
03:29 <Vanhayes> #wtf CDT
03:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: CDT: nothing appropriate
03:31 <Vanhayes> #dict CDT
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: vera: CDT Cell Delay Tolerance (ATN); vera: CDT Central Daylight Time [-0500] (TZ, CST, USA)
03:31 <Vanhayes> heh
03:31 <madmax|pt> dead people dont talk
03:31 * Vanhayes talks while dead
03:36 * Lucifer_arma notes tht Texas is in 2 timezones
03:38 <Vanhayes> #dict kestufou
03:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "kestufou" could be found.
03:38 <Vanhayes> #list dict
03:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: dict, dictionaries, and random
03:38 <Vanhayes> #help dict
03:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (dict [<dictionary>] <word>) -- Looks up the definition of <word> on dict.org's dictd server.
03:38 <Vanhayes> #dictionaries
03:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: --exit--, afr-deu, afr-eng, all, ara-eng, bouvier, cro-eng, cze-eng, dan-eng, deu-eng, deu-fra, deu-ita, deu-nld, deu-por, devils, easton, elements, eng-afr, eng-ara, eng-cro, eng-cze, eng-deu, eng-fra, eng-hin, eng-hun, eng-iri, eng-ita, eng-lat, eng-nld, eng-por, eng-rom, eng-rus, eng-spa, eng-swa, eng-swe, eng-tur, eng-wel, english, foldoc, fra-deu, fra-eng, fra-nld, gaz-county, gaz- (1 more message)
03:39 <Vanhayes> #dict eng-fra kestufou
03:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "kestufou" could be found in eng-fra
03:39 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:39 <Vanhayes> #google kestufou
03:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.43 seconds: French Texting - Les Textos fran?ais - French abbreviations ...: <http://french.about.com/library/writing/bl-texting.htm>; www.myspace.com/sectiontam: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=2677857>; www.myspace.com/mastaduge: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=58985273>; (2 more messages)
04:02 <madmax|pt> good night guys
04:03 <Vanhayes> night madmax|pt
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04:06 <Vanhayes> Hi Vanhayes_
04:06 <Vanhayes_> hey Vanhayes
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04:12 <Luke-Jr> Why did 0.3.0 have different Win32 and *nix source releases?
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05:06 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
05:10 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
05:37 <spidey> O_o
05:37 <spidey> man
05:37 <spidey> that was fun
05:38 <ghableska> what was?
05:41 <Luke-Jr> fireworks, I presume
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05:48 <Vanhayes> #list
05:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
05:49 <Vanhayes> #more
05:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: (;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[2700]OT[5x30 ...: <http://kgs.kiseido.com/games/2005/5/23/jb-Wraith.sgf>; www.myspace.com/skaperlipoupete: <http://www.myspace.com/skaperlipoupete>; www.myspace.com/razmigootioun: <http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=2788412&Mytoken=20050203161946>; www.myspace.com/chowee2: (1 more message)
05:49 <Vanhayes> er
05:49 <ghableska> o_O
05:49 <Vanhayes> lol
05:49 <ghableska> riiiight
05:50 <Vanhayes> #less
05:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: <imagine fancy scroll features here> <http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=29073996>
05:51 <spidey> Luke-Jr, yes fireworks and fine girls in bathen' suits O_o
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05:52 * Vanhayes wixhes we had a good river instead of a bad swamp here
05:52 <Vanhayes> wishes*
05:52 <spidey> LOL
05:52 <spidey> man,it was awesome
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05:52 <spidey> kinda....
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05:52 <spidey> what part i remember
05:52 <Vanhayes> drunk?
05:52 * spidey got fried in the middle of the park while playing basketball
05:52 <Vanhayes> thats always fun
05:53 <spidey> i don't drink that much
05:53 <spidey> i mean
05:53 <spidey> there's still a 6pack in the fridge from my birthday last year
05:53 <Vanhayes> ididnt used to but since I quit weed i do it alot more often
05:53 <spidey> so that tells ya how much i drink :p
05:55 <Vanhayes> eww how can u just let it sit there?
05:56 <spidey> cuase i don't drink that much
05:56 <spidey> no
05:56 <Vanhayes> wait how long was it since your birthday?
05:56 <spidey> nov.30th
05:56 <Vanhayes> ...
05:56 <spidey> november 30th 2005
05:57 <Vanhayes> well i knew it wasnt 2006 heh
05:57 <spidey> lol
06:01 <ghableska> :P
06:03 <spidey> man
06:03 <spidey> i got the fuckin mucnhies
06:03 <spidey> bad
06:03 <spidey> brb
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06:09 <Luke-Jr> spidey: immodestly dressed females are not fine
06:09 <Vanhayes> ... I disagree
06:10 <Luke-Jr> well then you're wrong
06:10 <Vanhayes> u mean, You think I am wrong
06:10 <Luke-Jr> my daughter had the expression of "wtf is going on?"
06:10 <Luke-Jr> I mean, you are wrong. Simple.
06:10 <Vanhayes> ?
06:10 <Luke-Jr> when she saw fireworks
06:10 <Vanhayes> o
06:11 <Vanhayes> well i guess a father of a girl might see things differently than a 17 year old
06:11 <spidey> mmm
06:11 <spidey> indeed
06:11 <spidey> but
06:11 <spidey> girls in swim suits....are fine
06:11 <spidey> swell, it actually depends
06:11 <spidey> but the ones i saw where :>
06:12 <Vanhayes> only if the girl is
06:12 <spidey> to bad i was fried and to lazy to move
06:12 <spidey> so i just watched :/
06:12 <Luke-Jr> females dressing immodestly in public should be thrown in jail or something
06:12 <spidey> dude
06:12 <spidey> it's a river
06:12 <Vanhayes> what about males?
06:12 <spidey> they swim
06:12 <spidey> SO
06:12 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: that's less common, but the same
06:12 <spidey> they where swim suits
06:12 <spidey> it's simple
06:12 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I don't imagine they wore modest swimwear
06:13 <spidey> um
06:13 <Luke-Jr> my wife can't even find any for herself
06:13 <Vanhayes> what do u consider modest?
06:13 <spidey> anything that's fully clothed
06:13 <Luke-Jr> fully clothed, and fitting the sex of the person
06:14 <spidey> that's not swim wear
06:14 <spidey> that's "HEY I'M GOING TO THE STORE"
06:14 <Luke-Jr> modest swim wear does (or used to anyhow) exist
06:14 <Vanhayes> back in the 50s
06:14 <spidey> yea
06:14 <spidey> i was gonna say that
06:14 <spidey> lol
06:14 <Luke-Jr> maybe
06:14 <Luke-Jr> but modesty doesn't change
06:15 <Vanhayes> I consider anything but a thong modest for swim wear
06:15 <spidey> ahah
06:15 <Luke-Jr> well you have a bad idea of what is modest then
06:15 <Vanhayes> not really
06:15 <spidey> Luke-Jr, you better not go swimming then
06:15 <Vanhayes> just more open minded and free
06:15 <spidey> you'll throw a fit :)
06:16 <Luke-Jr> spidey: maybe
06:16 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: open minded does not mean redefining facts
06:16 <spidey> facts are
06:16 <Luke-Jr> oh, wow... Google actually finds modest swimwear for sale
06:16 <spidey> people change
06:16 <Luke-Jr> http://www.wholesomewear.com/
06:16 <spidey> generations change :)
06:16 <Luke-Jr> facts don't
06:16 <Luke-Jr> facts remain the same
06:16 <Luke-Jr> including the facts of what is modest and what isn't
06:16 <Vanhayes> well then that isnt a fact then
06:16 <spidey> modest my ass
06:17 <spidey> why not wear jeans and a shirt?
06:17 <spidey> when i go swimming i don't wear a shirt and i wear shorts
06:17 <spidey> but that water was fuckin' cold, so i didn't swim
06:17 <spidey> i just watched =P~
06:18 <Luke-Jr> jeans are not feminine, so would be immodest for a female
06:18 <Luke-Jr> for any situation
06:18 <Vanhayes> that sounds sest
06:18 <Vanhayes> sexist
06:18 <spidey> dude,noone wears something that looks like a outfit to swim in
06:18 <spidey> when i go swimming i don't want a ton of clothes holding me back
06:18 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: sexist is not wrong
06:18 <Vanhayes> I say wear whatever you feel like
06:18 <Vanhayes> um is racism wrong?
06:19 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: depending on the definition of sexist used
06:19 <Luke-Jr> racism is, of course
06:19 <Luke-Jr> but that is an entirely different matter
06:19 <spidey> um
06:19 <spidey> they sell jeans for women...
06:19 <Vanhayes> discreminating someone based on sex is the same as discreminating someone based on race
06:19 <Luke-Jr> they shouldn't
06:19 * spidey thinks Luke-Jr is from the old days when men owned women
06:19 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: not at all
06:19 <Luke-Jr> males are not females
06:20 <Luke-Jr> females are not males
06:20 <Luke-Jr> there is a difference
06:20 <Vanhayes> um I am not black a black man not white
06:20 <Vanhayes> difference there
06:20 <Luke-Jr> no difference in person based on skin colour
06:20 <spidey> simpley put,this isn't the day of cowboys anymore :)
06:21 <Vanhayes> anyway sexism is discreminatio, That is fact
06:21 <spidey> agreed
06:21 * spidey throws on a womens bathen suit
06:21 <spidey> O_o
06:22 * Vanhayes scrolls up to see hoe this disscusion got started
06:23 <spidey> because i said at the river there was fine girls in bathen suits :)
06:23 <Luke-Jr> discrimination is not bad
06:23 <spidey> it is too....
06:23 <Luke-Jr> discrimination on irrelevant things is bad
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> modesty is generally defined by the society in which it is being applied and exists as an aggregation of the population's tastes
06:23 <Luke-Jr> discriminating between potential employees based on their qualifications, for example, is necessary
06:24 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: modesty is defined by God when he created male and female
06:24 <spidey> well
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> before they ate fromt the tree of knowledge?
06:24 <Vanhayes> wernt they naked?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> what about those of us who think god is a poser?
06:24 <spidey> heh van just pwned luke :p
06:25 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: incorrect info is irrelevant regardless of who thinks it is
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> right, therefore all this god stuff is irrelevant, regardless of what you think about it :)
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> #dict modesty
06:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: modesty n 1: freedom from vanity or conceit [ant: {immodesty}] 2: formality and propriety of manner [syn: {reserve}]; gcide: Modesty \Mod"es*ty\, n. [L. modestia: cf. F. modestie. See {Modest}.] 1. The quality or state of being modest; that lowly temper which accompanies a moderate estimate of one's own worth and importance; absence of (6 more messages)
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: self-assertion, arrogance, and presumption; humility respecting one's own merit. [1913 Webster] 2. Natural delicacy or shame regarding personal charms and the sexual relation; purity of thought and manners; due regard for propriety in speech or action. [1913 Webster] Her blush is guiltiness, not modesty. --Shak. [1913 Webster] {Modesty piece}, a narrow piece of lace worn by women over (5 more messages)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the bosom. [Obs.] --Addison. [1913 Webster] Syn: Bashfulness; humility; diffidence; shyness. See {Bashfulness}, and {Humility}. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 128 Moby Thesaurus words for "modesty": aloofness, altruism, backwardness, bashfulness, blankness, boggle, boggling, chilliness, coldness, commitment, compunction, consecration, constraint, coolness, decency, decorousness, (4 more messages)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: decorum, dedication, delicacy, demur, demurral, detachment, devotion, diffidence, discreetness, discretion, disinterest, disinterestedness, distance, dullness, elegance, expressionlessness, fairishness, falter, faltering, frigidity, frostiness, guardedness, hesitance, hesitancy, hesitation, homeliness, humbleness, humility, iciness, impassiveness, impassivity, impersonality, (3 more messages)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: inaccessibility, indifference, ingloriousness, innocuousness, introversion, lackluster, lowlihood, lowliness, meanness, mediocreness, mediocrity, meekness, middlingness, moderateness, modestness, objection, passableness, pause, plainness, poorness, propriety, protest, pudency, pudicity, qualm, qualm of conscience, qualmishness, recoil, remoteness, repression, reserve, reservedness, (2 more messages)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: respectability, restraint, reticence, reticency, retirement, sacrifice, scruple, scrupulosity, scrupulousness, seemliness, self-abasement, self-abnegation, self-denial, self-devotion, self-effacement, self-forgetfulness, self-immolation, self-neglect, self-neglectfulness, self-renouncement, self-sacrifice, self-subjection, selflessness, shame, shrinking, shyness, simpleness, (1 more message)
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #more
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: smallness, standoffishness, stickling, subduedness, submissiveness, suppression, teachableness, tediousness, tolerableness, unacquisitiveness, unaffability, unapproachability, uncongeniality, undemonstrativeness, unexpansiveness, unimportance, unpossessiveness, unpretentiousness, unselfishness, withdrawal, withdrawnness
06:26 <spidey> O_o
06:26 <Luke-Jr> spidey: not quite
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see any "Defined by god" in there, I guess God isn't in armabot's database
06:26 <spidey> actually
06:27 <spidey> he is
06:27 <spidey> watch
06:27 <Vanhayes> #dict god
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> or rather, God's databes is uknown to Armabot the ALmighty
06:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: GOD Global OutDial; gcide: God \God\, a. & n. Good. [Obs.] --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]; vera: GOD Grundsaetze ordnungsmaessiger Datenverarbeitung, "GoD"; gcide: God \God\, v. t. To treat as a god; to idolize. [Obs.] --Shak. [1913 Webster]; wn: God n 1: the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and (22 more messages)
06:27 <Luke-Jr> modesty, while rooted in pure fact, does have a degree of variety within culture
06:27 <spidey> #eightball is van gay?
06:27 <armabot> spidey: _I_ don't know.
06:27 <spidey> #eightball is van gay?
06:27 <armabot> spidey: _I_ don't know.
06:27 <spidey> #eightball is van gay?
06:27 <armabot> spidey: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
06:27 <spidey> #eightball is god real?
06:27 <armabot> spidey: It shall be.
06:27 <spidey> O_o
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> modesty is defined by the society that has it, plain and simple. You have to separate the concept of modesty from the implementation
06:28 <spidey> Luke-Jr, tell that to the tribes that don't wear clothes at all
06:28 * Lucifer_arma notes that in Texas people don't wear a lot of clothes :)
06:28 <spidey> i don't blame you
06:28 <spidey> it's fuckin hot down there
06:28 <Luke-Jr> spidey: in a society with the proper mindset, nudity can be modest
06:28 <Vanhayes> in my culture it is ok to dress how you want but unacceptable to discreminate someone because of their ra, sex, religon, country etc
06:28 <Vanhayes> is that wrong?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> absolutely
06:28 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: yes
06:28 <Vanhayes> i see
06:28 <Luke-Jr> parts anyway
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!"
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Whosever lieth with The Beast shall be put to death!"
06:29 <Luke-Jr> there is obviously a need to discriminate based on sex and religion
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, catholics that don't get laid shouldn't be allowed to have jobs
06:29 <Luke-Jr> females shouldn't be dressing as males, nor doing work for males
06:29 <Luke-Jr> and vice-versa
06:29 <spidey> "thou shalt not worship any god besides the lord"
06:29 <spidey> so everyone else is going to hell?
06:29 <Luke-Jr> and there is an obvious need to differentiate between truth and false
06:29 <Vanhayes> ISO i couldnt become, say a nurse?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> "Thou shalt not look at thy neighbor's wife and say "OMG SHE'S FUCKING HOT!""
06:30 <spidey> LMAO
06:30 <spidey> we're all going to hell then
06:30 <spidey> O_o
06:30 * Luke-Jr doesn't plan to.
06:30 <Vanhayes> nah, my neighbors are all old
06:30 <Luke-Jr> lol
06:30 * Lucifer_arma plans on going to hell so he can nuke heaven
06:30 <spidey> you can't say what people wear isn't right by god
06:30 * Vanhayes plans on....
06:31 <spidey> seeing as van stated......adam and eve didn't have clothes at all :)
06:31 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure you can; He's laid out guidelines to follow
06:31 <spidey> oh he has?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> right, you can get to heaven, in exchange for your soul
06:31 <spidey> did you get this from the new testimate ?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> a small price to pay
06:31 <Luke-Jr> spidey: nudity before the fall did not have a seductive reaction
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> and don't let that devil guy get it!
06:31 <Vanhayes> what if I sagree with those guidlines, which were set 2000 years ago?
06:31 <Vanhayes> disagree*
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you're going to hell
06:31 <spidey> Vanhayes, also changed :)
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> why is that a problem?
06:31 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: disagreeing with the truth is foolish
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> Bill Gates say Microsoft is great! God says Heaven Rules!
06:32 <Vanhayes> I dont consider it truth
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> WHO DO YOU BELIEVE?
06:32 <spidey> truth ?
06:32 <spidey> how do you KNOW that these guidlines are true
06:32 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: bad example-- anyone would choose Heaven =p
06:32 <spidey> seeing as it WAS thousands of years ago
06:32 <spidey> and written by man
06:32 <spidey> how do you know for sure?
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: it makes my point, and *I* would NEVER choose heaven
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll DIE FIRST!
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
06:32 <Vanhayes> years after it allegedly happened
06:32 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: your loss
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> my gain, your loss. I couldn't nuke heaven while I was in it, could I?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> besides, if you're there, and other people like you, why would I *want* to be there?
06:33 <spidey> LOL
06:33 <Vanhayes> I think they frown on that
06:33 <Luke-Jr> you can't nuke a non-physical location
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> so I can be discriminated against for <insert abritrary reason here>?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> you can't *go* to a non-physical location
06:33 <spidey> Luke-Jr, throw a gigantic energy ball at it
06:33 * Lucifer_arma pisses on heaven
06:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: physical energy?
06:34 <spidey> abstract
06:34 <spidey> :p
06:34 <Vanhayes> so once your in heaven, then what?
06:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: what is abstract energy?
06:34 <Vanhayes> you just stay there?
06:34 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: then I'm God
06:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
06:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr, just bought a ticket to hell :)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
06:34 <Vanhayes> lol
06:35 <Luke-Jr> spidey: how else could I torment Lucifer_arma ?
06:35 <spidey> lol
06:35 * spidey would rather walk the earth as a ghost
06:35 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think Luke-Jr will make it past the "no snobby christians allowed" sign
06:35 <Vanhayes> well isnt being hell suposed to be torment enough?
06:35 <spidey> Vanhayes, "Lucifer"_arma
06:35 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: yes, but we left the realm of seriousness a minute or two ago
06:35 <spidey> he runs it O_o
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's what God tells you, but why you should believe a genocidal lunatic who never keeps his word is quite beyond me
06:35 <Vanhayes> lol
06:36 * spidey thinks when you die,you die there's no more
06:36 <spidey> O_o
06:36 * Lucifer_arma intends to participate in the heat death of the universe
06:36 * Vanhayes believes beleive whatever you want just dont force it on others
06:36 * Luke-Jr believes only the facts
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you can't make me believe that!
06:37 <spidey> it's not facts
06:37 * Vanhayes wonders where Luke-Jr got his facts
06:37 <spidey> if so
06:37 <spidey> can you prove it?
06:37 <spidey> and so
06:37 <spidey> how
06:37 * Lucifer_arma believes the people that wrote the bible did 'shrooms
06:37 <spidey> don't say they bible
06:37 <spidey> it was written by man :)
06:37 <Luke-Jr> spidey: is it possible? yes; practical? no
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> at least Joseph Smith got witnesses
06:37 <Vanhayes> I hear opium was big back then
06:37 <Luke-Jr> caffeine should be illegal
06:37 <spidey> hold on
06:37 <Vanhayes> damn mormans
06:37 <spidey> let me post something
06:38 <spidey> Did God mess up?
06:38 <spidey>
06:38 <spidey> This subject has babbled me since the day I was able to think on my on, when I learned the difference from right and wrong. Why is it said that God, our creator, the maker and creator of everything and everyone, create such a horrible and disgusting race. Have you personally just taken the time out of your normal day and just watched someone else. I?ll be the first to say people are mean and cruel to each other. When I say pe
06:38 <spidey> ople I mean everyone, I know someone is going to say no I am not mean to the next person, well I say you?re a liar, because there is someone you hate, dislike, or want to make fun of.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I already saw that...
06:38 <Vanhayes> that is an example of forcing youbelief on somone right there
06:38 <spidey> luke hasn't
06:38 <spidey> now he has :)
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, if you drink 250 cups of coffee, you'll probably have a heart attack and die
06:38 * spidey doesn't drink coffe
06:39 <Luke-Jr> spidey: soda pop, then
06:39 * Vanhayes works at Tim hortens so...
06:39 <Luke-Jr> and even a little bit does damage
06:39 * Lucifer_arma thinks "thinking things should be illegal" should be illegal
06:39 * spidey doesn't drink soda that often
06:39 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: so legalize murder
06:39 <spidey> i drink hella water
06:39 * Luke-Jr drinks a liter of soda pop in 1-2 days
06:39 * Lucifer_arma notes that "he needed killing" is a valid defense in Texas
06:39 * Luke-Jr is a pop addict :(
06:40 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: good luck winning on it
06:40 * spidey used to drink 2 liters of coke in 1 day
06:40 * Vanhayes drinks coffee juice water and liquor
06:40 <spidey> then i started drinking water
06:40 <spidey> cause it got hot
06:40 * Lucifer_arma loves watersports
06:40 * Luke-Jr thinks water is disgusting
06:40 * Vanhayes thinks pop is revolting
06:40 <Luke-Jr> except for a select few water fountains
06:40 <spidey> argh
06:40 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: yes, it should be illegal
06:40 <spidey> firefox froze
06:40 * Lucifer_arma gets heartburn from soda
06:41 <Luke-Jr> just like the other addictive harmful-only drugs
06:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr, so...gas should be illegal?
06:41 <spidey> paint...
06:41 * Lucifer_arma notes that Jesus is an addictive harmful-only hallucination
06:41 * Vanhayes wonders why americans call it soda a canadians call it Pop
06:41 <spidey> everyday household items
06:41 <spidey> they should all just be banned eh?
06:41 <Vanhayes> I said pop not pot
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: because it's made out of soda water?
06:41 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: depends on the time zone in the US, hence why I use 'soda pop' online
06:41 <Vanhayes> i se
06:41 <Vanhayes> see*
06:42 <Luke-Jr> Central, it's pop
06:42 <Luke-Jr> Eastern, it's soda
06:42 <Luke-Jr> no clue on the other 2 zones
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> Texas isn't eastern, and it's soda here
06:42 <Luke-Jr> oh
06:42 <Luke-Jr> well Texas isn't the US
06:42 <Vanhayes> north is pop
06:42 <Luke-Jr> it should be a seperate country
06:42 * Lucifer_arma notes the difference is actually north/south
06:42 <Luke-Jr> is it?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> yankees call it pop, real people call it soda, that's all there is to it
06:42 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: North isn't pop
06:42 <spidey> um
06:42 <Luke-Jr> Connecticut is soda
06:42 <spidey> i'm not a yankee
06:43 * Lucifer_arma might have it backwards
06:43 <Luke-Jr> Missouri and Kansas is pop
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> actually, people around here call it coke
06:43 <Vanhayes> well i live in canada which is pretty north and have never heard it called soda so..
06:43 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> black people call it soda water, to differentiate it from cocaine
06:43 * spidey normally says "DR pepper"
06:43 <spidey> seeing as it's the only thing i drink besides water
06:43 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: I lived in Connecticut most my life and never heard 'pop' until I moved to Kansas
06:43 * Lucifer_arma drinks iced tea
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> really? The only yankees I've ever known always called it pop
06:44 * Luke-Jr drinks Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, and Cherry Coke/Pepsi
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> my Aunt whatsherface
06:44 <Vanhayes> i dont really know where states are, besides a few
06:44 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: Connecticut is near New York
06:44 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: Kansas is in the middle of everything
06:44 <spidey> yankee!
06:45 <Vanhayes> well I have never heard it called soda anywhere in canada that i have been
06:45 <Luke-Jr> maybe that will change when Bush decides Canada should merge with the US
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.popvssoda.com/
06:45 <Vanhayes> well that is the time I go to war
06:45 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: against your own government?
06:46 <Vanhayes> if my goverment ever decided to do that yes
06:46 <Vanhayes> y would be wrong
06:46 <spidey> treasen
06:46 <Vanhayes> they*
06:46 <spidey> you'll get fried
06:46 <Vanhayes> revolution
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's only revolution if you win :)
06:46 <Vanhayes> heh
06:46 <Luke-Jr> heh
06:46 <Vanhayes> was gonna say that
06:46 <Luke-Jr> nah, Bush'll get his way in the end
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> no he won't, he's only got 2 years to sell it
06:47 <Vanhayes> except "it is only treason if you lose"
06:47 <Luke-Jr> and US+Mexico+Canada will become the North American Union
06:47 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: so someone else will sell it if he fails
06:47 <spidey> so we can pwn Luke-Jr country?
06:47 <Vanhayes> well there is talk of atlantica
06:47 <Luke-Jr> the republicans and democrats are in it together
06:47 <Vanhayes> #google Atlantica
06:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.28 seconds: Atlantica -- Long Island weddings on the ocean in the Hamptons ...: <http://www.tierramar.com/>; Atlantica: <http://sg-atlantis.org/>; Atlantic Institute for Market Studies: <http://www.atlantica.org/>; Atlantica Hotels: <http://www.atlanticahotels.com/>; Atlantica Restaurant: <http://www.atlanticarestaurant.com/>; Atlantica Group: (1 more message)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> nah, the US is going to collapse before a North American Union can join together
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: do you get buzzed by black helicopters from time to time?
06:48 <spidey> lol
06:48 <Vanhayes> china will get into it with the US and chances are China will win
06:48 * Lucifer_arma goes to reheat a rib
06:48 <spidey> china O_o
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> we're all going to get nuked by North Korea, so quit worrying you guys
06:48 <spidey> no
06:48 <spidey> the russians
06:48 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: buzzed?
06:48 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: China has already threatened
06:49 <Vanhayes> well thats the first step
06:49 <Luke-Jr> in particular, they said
06:49 <Luke-Jr> *when* they attack Taiwan, if the US helps 'em, they nuke some big city
06:49 <Luke-Jr> if the US helps Taiwan, that is
06:49 <Luke-Jr> which technically, the US would need to based on treaties
06:50 <spidey> um
06:50 <spidey> i don't think the united nations would allow it
06:50 <spidey> O_o
06:50 <Luke-Jr> ...
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> the US hasn't recognized the government of Taiwan, therefore has no treaties with it
06:50 <Luke-Jr> the UN is falling apart
06:50 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: sure it has
06:51 <Vanhayes> the UN was never whol, for it to fall apart
06:51 <Vanhayes> whole*
06:51 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: it's being obsoleted by the FoE
06:53 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: actually, you might be right-- pretty sure they did at one point tho
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act
06:56 <Luke-Jr> anyway
06:56 <Luke-Jr> verdict is we should get out of Iraq and send them Bush to convict as a war criminal
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08:44 <Vanhayes> #night
08:44 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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09:06 <wrtlprnft> #modning
09:07 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:07 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: How many seconds are there in a year? If I tell you there are || 3.155 x 10^7, you won't even try to remember it. On the other hand, || who could forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a || nanocentury. || -- Tom Duff, Bell Labs
09:36 <wejp> wejp bla
09:46 <wrtlprnft> ?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft bla
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, that's completely useless information
09:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma bla?
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> On the other hand, || who could forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a || nanocentury. ||
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> shows you how often I"m looking at my irc window :)
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I did just make a neato QListViewItem subclass where the items find their own parents in the QListView :)
09:48 <wrtlprnft> well, it's true
09:49 <wrtlprnft> I'd never remember 3.155e7 s
09:49 <wrtlprnft> but that pi seconds thing i might remember
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, then you just have to remember 10^7, and you can give a "smart" answer whenever people ask
09:50 * wrtlprnft doesn't know anything about qt
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> which is surprisingly often, all things considered
09:50 * Lucifer_arma always feels proud when he writes a recursive function, and he just wrote 2 of them!
09:50 <wrtlprnft> my formula parser's gonna be recursive :)
09:50 <wrtlprnft> and the widget parser is too
09:51 <wrtlprnft> but grats :)
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> formula parser has to be recursive :)
09:52 <wrtlprnft> could be something with goto
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> wiat a minute, I had something worked out in my head that wasn't recursive, hmmmmm....
09:52 <wrtlprnft> if you have brackets recursive parsing is a lot easier
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I guess that's how you resolve brackets and parenthesis
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> and I admit what I had in my head wasn't very advanced :)
09:53 <wrtlprnft> brackes != parenthesis?
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> [ = bracket, ( = parenthesis
09:53 <wrtlprnft> x�h
09:53 <wrtlprnft> *ah
09:53 * Lucifer_arma is thinking just how you'd write the formula, not necessarily how you'd type it
09:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm, it won't support [] quite yet
09:53 * wrtlprnft thought [] == square brackets
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> and it's not a common convention to support [] in computerized formula parsers :)
09:54 * wrtlprnft thought {} == curly brackets
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I don't think it is, hmmm
09:54 * wrtlprnft thought () == round brackets
09:54 * wrtlprnft thought <> == angle brackets
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> { = brace
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> < = less than
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> <
09:55 <wrtlprnft> but in pairs they can be abused as brackets
09:55 <wrtlprnft> <div>
09:55 <wrtlprnft> std::deque<int>
09:55 <wrtlprnft> <.<
09:56 <wrtlprnft> <o-{{{><
10:14 <guru3> i just added it up
10:14 <guru3> and i've got
10:14 <guru3> 700+GB of shareable material
10:14 <guru3> :(
10:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:16 <guru3> 500+ of it's multimedia
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13:16 <Brooky> Hi
13:18 <Sakireth> armageddtron
13:18 <joda_bot> Sakireth: ?
13:18 <Sakireth> armagetron ;D
13:19 <Sakireth> i finally know how to pronounce it
13:19 <Sakireth> like "armageddon"
13:19 <spidey|sleep> .....
13:20 <joda_bot> Sakireth: ah ok
13:20 <Sakireth> i always called it differnet
13:20 <joda_bot> like ?
13:20 <Sakireth> like "armachetron"
13:20 <Sakireth> or stuff like that
13:20 <Sakireth> "armazjetron"
13:20 <joda_bot> Sakireth: where are you from ? ;)
13:21 <Sakireth> The netherlands
13:21 <Sakireth> :P
13:21 <joda_bot> ah, ok, that explains the wierd consonant combinations ;)
13:21 <joda_bot> germany here ;)
13:22 <Sakireth> k
13:25 <Brooky> i pronounce it differently
13:25 <Brooky> i say i
13:25 <Brooky> it*
13:25 <Brooky> arma - ge - tron
13:25 <Sakireth> lol
13:25 <Brooky> what you mean lol?
13:26 <Brooky> :-)
13:27 <Sakireth> arma ge tron?
13:27 <Sakireth> armagitron?
13:27 <Sakireth> I think it's meant to sound like "armageddon"
13:27 <Sakireth> armage tron
13:28 <spidey|sleep> the only thing they have incommon is the armage
13:28 <spidey|sleep> "tron" makes it sound way different from armageddon :p
13:30 * spidey|sleep goes back to sleep
13:30 <Sakireth> yeah
13:30 <Sakireth> g'night
13:31 <Brooky> lol
13:31 <Brooky> well......
13:31 <Brooky> its kind of based on the film tron
13:31 <Brooky> have any of you seen it?
13:31 <Sakireth> I played tron 2.0 >:3
13:31 <Brooky> the bikes
13:32 <Brooky> and....
13:32 <Brooky> armagedon is a film 0_o
13:32 <wrtlprnft> trin
13:32 <wrtlprnft> tron too
13:34 <Brooky> sometimes i just call it tron to keep it simple lol
13:35 <Sakireth> Does anyone know a better alternative to freewebs?
13:36 * spidey|sleep yawns
13:36 * spidey|sleep can't sleep anymore :<
13:36 <spidey|sleep> freewebs?
13:36 <spidey|sleep> ew
13:37 <Brooky> lol
13:37 <Brooky> yes
13:37 <Brooky> do what i do
13:37 <Brooky> host yourself
13:37 <Sakireth> Oh i tried that so many time
13:37 <Sakireth> s
13:37 <Sakireth> But then i got lots of visitors
13:37 <Sakireth> then boom
13:37 <Sakireth> :P
13:37 <spidey|sleep> LOL
13:37 <Sakireth> So then i got free hosting..
13:37 <Sakireth> But now i'm too lazy to code in PHP
13:37 <Sakireth> so i need a sitebuilder
13:37 <Sakireth> >_<
13:37 <Sakireth> a CMS
13:37 <spidey|sleep> dreamweaver
13:38 <Sakireth> A x00ps =)
13:38 <spidey|sleep> phpnuke?
13:38 <Sakireth> phpnuke
13:38 <Sakireth> :O
13:38 <spidey|sleep> phpnuke = gay :)
13:38 <spidey|sleep> and
13:38 <spidey|sleep> just about the most vulnerable thing out there
13:39 <Sakireth> Xoops!!
13:39 <Brooky> spidy change you name
13:39 <Brooky> lol
13:39 <spidey|sleep> no
13:39 <Brooky> why not~?
13:39 <spidey|sleep> because i might go back to sleep
13:39 <spidey|sleep> or try again
13:39 <Brooky> change it if you go
13:39 <Brooky> lol
13:39 <spidey|sleep> O_o
13:39 <Sakireth> Xoops!!
13:39 <spidey|sleep> Xoops what?
13:39 <Sakireth> http://www.xoops.org/
13:39 <Brooky> lol
13:40 <madmax|pt> good morning happy people
13:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
13:40 <spidey|sleep> O_o
13:40 <Sakireth> madmax|pt: Hi! ^_^
13:42 <Brooky> hi
13:43 * spidey|sleep denkt wrtlprnft kurz ist
13:43 <spidey|sleep> O_o
13:43 <Brooky> pardon
13:43 <Brooky> was that german?
13:43 <Brooky> i can only speak english
13:43 <Brooky> lol
13:43 <spidey|sleep> me too
13:44 <Brooky> abit of french that i did for GCSE
13:44 <spidey|sleep> http://translate.google.com/translate_t
13:44 <spidey|sleep> lahl
13:44 <Brooky> lol
13:45 * spidey|sleep think that the wrtlprnft is short
13:45 <spidey|sleep> 'er
13:45 * spidey|sleep pense que le wrtlprnft est court
13:45 <spidey|sleep> O_o
13:45 <madmax|pt> what about portuguese!?
13:45 <spidey|sleep> eu te amo maximo!
13:46 <madmax|pt> wtf
13:46 <madmax|pt> lol
13:46 <spidey|sleep> :p
13:47 <spidey|sleep> te amo is also spanish O_o
13:47 <madmax|pt> we actually say "amo-te <put person here>"
13:47 <spidey|sleep> mmm
13:48 <madmax|pt> the translators usually get more close to the portuguese from brasil
13:48 <Brooky> lol
13:48 <Brooky> g2g guys
13:48 <Brooky> bye
13:48 <madmax|pt> cya
13:49 <spidey|sleep> oh meu deus hax!
13:49 <Sakireth> bye
13:53 <spidey|sleep> i'm debating
13:53 <spidey|sleep> goto sleep
13:53 <spidey|sleep> go flirt with girls
13:53 <spidey|sleep> i'm very tired O_o
13:53 <Sakireth> :sleep
13:53 <Sakireth> goto sleep
13:53 <Sakireth> lol
13:53 <spidey|sleep> shhhh
13:53 <spidey|sleep> i'm thinking
13:54 <Sakireth> can you, with your tiredness?
13:54 <spidey|sleep> i have 2 hours till my uncle gets up
13:54 <spidey|sleep> so i gotta makeup my mind before then :p
13:54 <Sakireth> GOooooooooooooo to sleeeeeeeeeeep..
13:54 <Sakireth> Go to sleep
13:54 <Sakireth> YOu want to go to sleep
13:54 <Sakireth> :P
13:55 <spidey|sleep> ok i've got a plan
13:55 <Sakireth> :O
13:55 <spidey|sleep> i'ma sleep for 2 hours,then goto the river O_o
13:56 <Sakireth> Good boy
13:56 <Sakireth> ^^
13:56 <Sakireth> Now to see if you wake up in 2 hours ;)
13:56 <spidey|sleep> :|
13:56 <spidey|sleep> i will
13:56 <Sakireth> Good.
13:56 <spidey|sleep> cause my uncle will jump on me :/
13:56 <Sakireth> Sorry i did that to ya
13:56 <Sakireth> Good night :p
13:56 <spidey|sleep> he can't let no one sleep when he's not
13:56 <spidey|sleep> :|
13:56 <Sakireth> sorry, was for your own good.
13:56 <Sakireth> :P
13:56 * spidey|sleep goes back to sleep
13:57 <Sakireth> good boy ^^
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14:39 <guru3> hahah the funniest thing just happened
14:39 <guru3> my mom was picking through some berries she'd just washed
14:39 <guru3> and was like
14:39 <guru3> 'some stuff can survive washing, like this bug'
14:39 <guru3> then there was a second of silence and
14:39 <guru3> 'oh wait, it's a twig.'
14:43 <madmax|pt> #dict twig
14:43 <armabot> madmax|pt: wn, foldoc, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Twig \Twig\, v. t. To beat with twigs. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Twig \Twig\ (tw[i^]g), v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Twigged} (tw[i^]gd); p. pr. & vb. n. {Twigging}.] [Cf. {Tweak}.] To twitch; to pull; to tweak. [Obs. or Scot.] [1913 Webster]; foldoc: TWIG Tree-Walking Instruction Generator. A {code generator} language. {ML-Twig} is (7 more messages)
14:44 <madmax|pt> o_O
14:44 <madmax|pt> hmm
14:44 <madmax|pt> #google define:twig
14:44 <armabot> madmax|pt: No matches found. (Search took 0.00 seconds)
14:45 <madmax|pt> heh
14:45 * madmax|pt is away
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16:15 <Brooky> lol
16:15 <Brooky> its a twig
16:15 <Brooky> thats a classic
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17:05 <Sakireth_> #dict tweak
17:05 <armabot> Sakireth_: wn, foldoc, jargon, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Tweak \Tweak\, v. t. [OE. twikken, originally the same word as twicchen; cf. LG. twikken. See {Twitch}.] To pinch and pull with a sudden jerk and twist; to twitch; as, to tweak the nose. --Shak. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Tweak \Tweak\, n. 1. A sharp pinch or jerk; a twist or twitch; as, a tweak of the nose. --Swift. (6 more messages)
17:05 <Sakireth_> #dict eat
17:05 <armabot> Sakireth_: wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: devils: EAT, v.i. To perform successively (and successfully) the functions of mastication, humectation, and deglutition. "I was in the drawing-room, enjoying my dinner," said Brillat- Savarin, beginning an anecdote. "What!" interrupted Rochebriant; "eating dinner in a drawing-room?" "I must beg you to observe, monsieur," explained the (11 more messages)
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17:47 <mkzelda> Genghis Tron is a band of surprises. Their melding of brutal grind and ethereal electronics has a tendency to leave even the drunkest or most jaded audience with their jaws on the floor.
17:47 <ghableska> o_O
17:47 <mkzelda> hehe, good band name
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18:11 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ...
18:12 <guru3> ?
18:12 <[NP]Tangent> mkzelda, that a real band?
18:13 <Luke-Jr> guru3: your story was nowhere near as funny as armabot
18:13 <guru3> oh
18:13 <guru3> and?
18:13 <Luke-Jr> defines twig in every possible way except the most relevant =p
18:14 <guru3> heh
18:14 <mkzelda> yea its a real band
18:14 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
18:14 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a droning puddle of mammering droppings.
18:14 <Luke-Jr> guru3: would you be opposed to inflating our # of authors? ;)
18:15 <guru3> eh?
18:15 <Luke-Jr> eh, have resource submissions get sent to CIA with the author set
18:15 <Luke-Jr> thus resource authors would be considered project members by CIA
18:15 <Luke-Jr> as it is right now, they get sent to CIA w/o an author and just a commit msg
18:17 <guru3> mmm
18:17 <guru3> i dunno
18:17 <mkzelda> http://www.rickroot.com/blog/1/2005/06/The-100-Worst-Porn-Movie-Titles-of-All-Time.cfm (NSFW)
18:20 <mkzelda> tea bagger vance is a new one to me
18:20 <mkzelda> thats amused me the most
18:36 <spidey> O_o
18:39 <spidey> #insult "[NP]Tangent"
18:39 <armabot> [NP]Tangent - You are nothing but a boil-brained half-mouthful of motley-mind guano.
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19:01 <Sakireth_> #insult "Spidey"
19:01 <armabot> Spidey - You are nothing but a clapper-clawed enema-bucketful of industrial urine.
19:01 <Sakireth_> #insult "armabot"
19:01 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a half-faced thimbleful of dread-bolted seagull.
19:01 <Sakireth_> #insult "/quit"
19:01 <armabot> /quit - You are nothing but a bootless coagulation of hacked-up snouts.
19:02 <Sakireth_> aww
19:02 <Sakireth_> :P
19:02 <Sakireth_> #insult "\r\nQUIT"
19:02 <armabot> '\r\nQUIT - You are nothing but a fawning ooze of porous cat. '
19:02 <Sakireth_> okay those were my hack attempts
19:02 <Sakireth_> xD
19:02 <spidey> .....
19:02 <Sakireth_> I was just kiddin' :P
19:03 <Sakireth_> Although something like that is easily exploitable
19:03 <spidey> i bet it's not
19:03 <Sakireth_> for how much?
19:03 <Sakireth_> your rank in your clan? =)
19:04 <spidey> huh?
19:04 <Sakireth_> You wanna bet.
19:04 <Sakireth_> So for what?
19:04 <Sakireth_> You give me your car, i give you a html page.
19:04 <spidey> lol......
19:05 <Sakireth_> You can have the html page for free
19:05 <Sakireth_> <html>
19:05 <Sakireth_> <head>
19:05 <Sakireth_> <title>Unknown</title>
19:05 <Sakireth_> </head>
19:05 <Sakireth_> <body>
19:05 <Sakireth_> <b>This is an html page.</b>
19:05 <Sakireth_> </body>
19:05 <Sakireth_> </html>
19:05 <Sakireth_> ^_^
19:05 <spidey> zomg you know html
19:05 <Sakireth_> And PHP
19:05 <Sakireth_> and pythojn
19:05 <Sakireth_> and C
19:05 <Sakireth_> and C++
19:05 <Sakireth_> and XML
19:06 <spidey> now am i impressed, no :)
19:06 <Sakireth_> and BASH
19:06 <Sakireth_> xD
19:06 <Sakireth_> and batch
19:06 <Sakireth_> and js
19:06 <Sakireth_> and visual basic
19:06 <Sakireth_> and linux
19:06 <Sakireth_> and have tried every distro
19:06 <Sakireth_> xD
19:06 <spidey> right
19:06 <Sakireth_> and am 14 years of age
19:06 <Sakireth_> and this all is not a lie.
19:06 <Sakireth_> i have proof.
19:06 <Sakireth_> http://www.freewebs.com/sakireth
19:07 <Sakireth_> good way to spam for your website, eh? ^^
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19:11 * spidey pokes Vanhayes
19:14 <spidey> isn't pie 3.15 ?
19:29 * Vanhayes pokes spidey back
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19:33 <Brooky> do you do css?
19:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ...........
19:34 <Sakireth_> yes
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19:34 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399371 & more I can't remember
19:34 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:34 <Brooky> did you write the css file for your site?
19:34 <madmax|pt> bye "pie" you meant "pi" ?
19:35 <madmax|pt> *by
19:35 <madmax|pt> argh
19:35 <spidey> Luke-Jr, basically 22 over 7?
19:35 <Luke-Jr> spidey: not at all
19:36 <Brooky> lol
19:36 <spidey> #g 22/7
19:36 <armabot> 22 / 7 = 3.14285714
19:36 <Luke-Jr> way off
19:36 <spidey> er
19:36 <spidey> then these guys are telling me wrong
19:36 <Vanhayes> "pie" is a delicous dessert that usually has fruit filling with a baked crust around it
19:36 <Luke-Jr> spidey: probably
19:36 <Brooky> Yes
19:36 <spidey> here's what it says
19:36 <Luke-Jr> spidey: there is no short way to represent pi accurately
19:37 <spidey> what is the area of the circle whose radius is seven feet
19:37 <spidey> they have
19:37 <Luke-Jr> typed out, pi would take more space than the entire internet holds
19:37 <spidey> 22 over 7 *7 *7
19:37 <Luke-Jr> 153.938
19:37 <madmax|pt> area=pi*r^2
19:37 <spidey> yes
19:37 <spidey> but they get 154
19:37 <Brooky> here is a fact for you
19:37 <Brooky> The fraction (22 / 7) is a well used number for Pi. It is accurate to 0.04025%.
19:38 <Luke-Jr> they are off by 0.062 at least
19:38 <madmax|pt> Pi is an irrational number (it cannot be expressed by any simple fraction of two integers)
19:38 <madmax|pt> boo
19:38 <spidey> they are on all of it then O_o
19:38 <spidey> so i do it there way and get a good grade,or the right way and fail?
19:38 <spidey> O_o
19:38 <spidey> i'll work it there way
19:38 <Brooky> well
19:38 <Brooky> even better
19:38 <Luke-Jr> if they fail you for doing it the right way, sue em =p
19:38 <spidey> LOL
19:38 <madmax|pt> i agree
19:39 <Brooky> The fraction (22 / 7) is a well used number for Pi. It is accurate to 0.04025%.
19:39 <Brooky> Another fraction used as an approximation to Pi is (355 / 113) which is accurate to 0.00000849%
19:39 <Brooky> A more accurate fraction of Pi is(104348 / 33215). This is accurate to 0.00000001056%.
19:39 <Brooky> ok?
19:39 <Brooky> There is no zero in the first 31 digits of Pi
19:39 <Luke-Jr> BTW, pi is technically written as a T with 2 vertical lines instead of 1
19:40 <Luke-Jr> Brooky: all of those fractions are less accurate than my memory
19:40 <Brooky> ok
19:40 <Luke-Jr> 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399371 <-- pi as in my memory
19:41 <Brooky> The square root of 9.869604401 is approximately Pi. The square root of a irrational number is irrational too.
19:42 <Brooky> 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679 is mine
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19:42 <Brooky> this fraction is 100% accurate
19:42 <Brooky> Pi in fraction form is - 837393900/266550757
19:42 <Brooky> try it
19:43 <Luke-Jr> Brooky: wow, you've got pi to double my memory o.o
19:43 <spidey> lol
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it is not 100% accurate
19:43 <Brooky> is
19:44 <wrtlprnft> not
19:44 <Brooky> is
19:44 <Brooky> lol
19:44 <Luke-Jr> nope
19:44 <Brooky> Taking the first 6,000,000,000 decimal places of Pi, this is the distribution:
19:44 <Brooky> 0 occurs 599,963,005 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 1 occurs 600,033,260 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 2 occurs 599,999,169 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 3 occurs 600,000,243 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 4 occurs 599,957,439 times,
19:44 <Luke-Jr> should one of us wrote a program to prove it?
19:44 <Brooky> 5 occurs 600,017,176 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 6 occurs 600,016,588 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 7 occurs 600,009,044 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 8 occurs 599,987,038 times,
19:44 <Brooky> 9 occurs 600,017,038 times.
19:44 <Brooky> no
19:44 <Brooky> right
19:45 <Brooky> i got to go for now
19:45 <Brooky> bye
19:45 <Luke-Jr> actually
19:45 <Luke-Jr> I used to have a math formula to calculate pi memorized ;)
19:45 <Brooky> ok
19:45 <Brooky> any way bye
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19:47 <spidey> #g 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772 * 7 *7
19:47 <armabot> 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772 * 7 * 7 = 154
19:47 <spidey> that's the answer they get
19:47 <spidey> O_o
19:49 <spidey> oh well
19:49 * spidey uses armabot as a calculator in pm
19:49 -!- spidey is now known as McSpiddles
19:56 <Luke-Jr> McSpiddles: don't think #g does decimals
19:57 <McSpiddles> heh
19:57 <McSpiddles> McSpiddles #g 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772*10.5*10.5
19:57 <McSpiddles> armabot 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772 * 10.5 * 10.5 = 346.5
19:57 <McSpiddles> McSpiddles #g 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772*14*14
19:57 <McSpiddles> armabot 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772 * 14 * 14 = 616
19:57 <McSpiddles> McSpiddles #g 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772*2*2
19:57 <McSpiddles> armabot 3.142857142857142857235788757641614665772 * 2 * 2 = 12.5714286
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20:08 <McSpiddles> done with 1 of 3 math books
20:08 <Vanhayes> your doing math in the summer?
20:10 <ghableska> o_O
20:11 <Vanhayes> should "join autoselected team" put me on a team?
20:14 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes, summer school
20:14 <Vanhayes> you failed?
20:14 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes, i started this homeschool thing late in the year because i spent the summer before on a 18wheeler with my uncle and we didn't get back home intime to start at a normal time
20:15 <McSpiddles> failed?
20:15 <McSpiddles> not this year
20:15 <McSpiddles> but the 2 years before i did
20:15 <McSpiddles> hence in 8th grade still :p
20:15 <McSpiddles> hopefully 9th next year O_o
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20:16 <Vanhayes> wait, your in 9th grade and you are 16?
20:17 <McSpiddles> no
20:17 <McSpiddles> i'm 16 in the 8th grade
20:17 <McSpiddles> ok here's how it went
20:17 <McSpiddles> i failed 8th grade twice
20:17 <McSpiddles> if pass this year i will be 17 in 9th grade
20:17 <Vanhayes> damn that would suck
20:18 <McSpiddles> when you goto school with a bunch of wanna be bullies,fights start easy
20:18 <McSpiddles> and i don't let people push me around so i got suspended alot :p
20:18 <ghableska> :P
20:18 <McSpiddles> hence the failed twice
20:18 <McSpiddles> and is why i'm in homeschool now
20:19 <Vanhayes> ya that happened in grade 8 yo me too, i got in a big fight in front of the school and was suspended for a week, plus it happened on my birthday which sucked
20:19 <Vanhayes> I hated that guy
20:20 <Vanhayes> he always trid to start shit and we always got suspended
20:20 <McSpiddles> i never fought unless they hit me first
20:21 <McSpiddles> besides that i tried to settle most of it out of school
20:21 <Vanhayes> well I usually just beat the shit out of him when ever he started talking shit to me
20:21 * McSpiddles has a recording of a gay at school twice my size getting his ass whooped :)
20:21 <McSpiddles> s/gay/guy
20:23 <Vanhayes> I dont know what it was about this guy, I knew him since grade one and every year we had it out at least once
20:25 <McSpiddles> heh
20:25 <McSpiddles> yea
20:25 <Vanhayes> anyway he moved before grade 9 and I haven t seen him since
20:28 <McSpiddles> mmm
20:28 <madmax|pt> track him down
20:28 <madmax|pt> lol
20:28 <Vanhayes> lol
20:28 <McSpiddles> from first grade to 5th grade
20:28 <McSpiddles> i had this best friend
20:28 <McSpiddles> by 6th grade we didn't talk anymore
20:29 <McSpiddles> in 7thgrade he started hanging out with girls more and now acts gay
20:29 <McSpiddles> and i don't mean that as sarcasm
20:29 <McSpiddles> i mean literally
20:29 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:29 <madmax|pt> how much years you guys have before university?
20:29 <madmax|pt> 12?
20:30 <McSpiddles> i'm not going to college
20:30 <McSpiddles> infact i won't graduate
20:30 <McSpiddles> when i turn 17 i'm getting my GED
20:30 <madmax|pt> buuuuut, its 12?
20:30 <McSpiddles> um
20:30 <Vanhayes> hope fully 1 more year till im out of highschool
20:30 <McSpiddles> i could go when i turn 18
20:30 <Vanhayes> should be out now
20:31 <Vanhayes> and it is either alberta, army, both, or(maybe) university after high school
20:33 <Luke-Jr> z-man-home: how did you do deathmatch??
20:33 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt it is 12 years of school before university yes
20:33 <z-man-home> Luke-Jr: scan the source for RESPAWN_HACK
20:34 <Luke-Jr> trunk>?
20:34 <z-man-home> or 0.2.8
20:35 * McSpiddles loves the respawn thing
20:35 <Vanhayes> ya me too,alot of fun
20:35 <McSpiddles> even more cause people try to attack while blinking and usually stop blinking and run into my wall
20:36 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:36 <Luke-Jr> wanna play?
20:36 <McSpiddles> sure
20:37 <McSpiddles> only for a few,got 2 more math books to do
20:37 <Vanhayes> what do you mena math books?
20:37 <Vanhayes> mean*
20:37 <Vanhayes> text books?
20:37 <McSpiddles> no
20:37 <McSpiddles> packets
20:37 <McSpiddles> deathmatch = not reachable
20:38 <McSpiddles> erm,nvm
20:38 <McSpiddles> bookmarks are wrong
20:56 <McSpiddles> lol luke
20:56 <Luke-Jr> i suck
20:56 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:56 <McSpiddles> :p
21:01 <McSpiddles> #g 31786+22151+5760
21:01 <armabot> 31,786 + 22,151 + 5,760 = 59,697
21:01 <McSpiddles> #g 59697/2
21:01 <armabot> 59,697 / 2 = 29,848.5
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: 13 here, counting kindergarten
21:03 * McSpiddles went to pre-school :/
21:06 <Vanhayes> well ya there is 13 here too including kindergarden, though i dont think you Have to go to kindergarden
21:07 <Vanhayes> I know there is 13 years not including kindergarden in ontario, which is weird
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21:13 <McSpiddles> lol
21:13 <McSpiddles> my puppies kill count is raising
21:13 <Vanhayes> ?
21:13 <McSpiddles> they caught another squirrel
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21:14 <Vanhayes> heh dogs love chasing squirels
21:14 <McSpiddles> they done killed a deer
21:14 <McSpiddles> actually
21:14 <McSpiddles> they killed bambi
21:14 <Vanhayes> yopur dog killed a deer?
21:14 <McSpiddles> baby deer
21:14 <ghableska> o_O
21:15 <McSpiddles> and
21:15 <McSpiddles> everything they kill
21:15 <McSpiddles> they bring on the porch
21:15 <McSpiddles> so i gotta carry it off again :/
21:15 <Vanhayes> was gonna say, that would be impressive, a dog takeing down a full grown deer
21:15 <McSpiddles> well
21:15 <McSpiddles> it is 2 black labs
21:15 <McSpiddles> i wouldn't be suprised if they could when they're full grown
21:16 <McSpiddles> they're 6 months old and already hunting
21:16 <McSpiddles> though i don't know why
21:16 <McSpiddles> they can't be hungry
21:16 <McSpiddles> i feed them each a big bowl in the morning and before i goto sleep
21:17 <Vanhayes> the like to kill I guess
21:17 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> #dict inheritable
21:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn and gcide responded: wn: inheritable adj : that can be inherited; "inheritable traits such as eye color"; "an inheritable title" [syn: {heritable}] [ant: {noninheritable}]; gcide: Inheritable \In*her"it*a*ble\, a. 1. Capable of being inherited; transmissible or descendible; as, an inheritable estate or title. --Blackstone. [1913 Webster] 2. Capable of being transmitted from (2 more messages)
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> #more
21:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: parent to child; as, inheritable qualities or infirmities. [1913 Webster] 3. [Cf. OF. enheritable, inheritable.] Capable of taking by inheritance, or of receiving by descent; capable of succeeding to, as an heir. [1913 Webster] By attainder . . . the blood of the person attainted is so corrupted as to be rendered no longer inheritable. --Blackstone. [1913 Webster] The eldest daughter (1 more message)
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> #more
21:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: of the king is also alone inheritable to the crown on failure of issue male. --Blackstone. [1913 Webster] {Inheritable blood}, blood or relationship by which a person becomes qualified to be an heir, or to transmit possessions by inheritance. [1913 Webster]
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> not many synonyms :(
21:19 * McSpiddles is gonna train his dogs to bite on command
21:19 <McSpiddles> BITE Lucifer_arma,and they attack
21:19 <McSpiddles> that would be cool
21:19 * Lucifer_arma bites McSpiddles
21:19 <McSpiddles> lol
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> make sure you explain to them that some humans bite back
21:19 <McSpiddles> haha
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so they can make the most educated decision possible
21:20 <McSpiddles> you do know
21:20 <McSpiddles> blacklabs have the intelligance of a 5y/o
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> wow, my 5yo is pretty smart
21:20 <McSpiddles> yea
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, does that mean your dogs are smarter than you?
21:20 <McSpiddles> i think they're the smartest breed
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21:20 <McSpiddles> possibly O_o
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, my 5yo isn't smart enough not to fuck with me, so I guess you'd better warn your dogs that anything that attacks me is food
21:21 <McSpiddles> haha
21:22 <McSpiddles> they're easy to train man
21:22 <McSpiddles> i spent 2 days
21:22 <McSpiddles> 10 minutes a day
21:22 <McSpiddles> teaching one of them that 'paw" means shake
21:22 <Vanhayes> I think that border collies are the smartest dogs
21:22 <McSpiddles> now when you say "paw" he sticks his paw up
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think Chihuahuas are the dumbest dogs
21:23 <McSpiddles> i agree
21:23 <Vanhayes> I agree
21:23 * McSpiddles has one
21:23 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:23 <ghableska> o_O
21:23 <Vanhayes> they justy creep me out
21:23 <ghableska> lol
21:23 * McSpiddles wonders if ghableska has that as a auto response
21:23 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:23 <McSpiddles> guess not
21:23 <McSpiddles> lol
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> *_&
21:24 <McSpiddles> oh yea
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> my wife offered to pluck my eyebrows for me, I asked her to only do the middle so I can thicken up my uni-brow
21:24 <McSpiddles> i gotta take a picture of my chiuaua for van
21:24 <McSpiddles> to show him there's different breeds
21:24 <McSpiddles> not all have huge heads and little bodies
21:24 <Vanhayes> still they are freaky looking
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> chihuahuas aren't a naturally occuring dog, are they? I mean, they're something humans put together through weird breeding programs to make a dog that looked as pathetic as possible
21:25 <McSpiddles> haha
21:25 <Vanhayes> yes, they are a genetic mistake
21:25 <McSpiddles> i have a raindeer chihuahua
21:25 <McSpiddles> #dict raindeer chihuahua
21:25 <armabot> McSpiddles: No definition for "raindeer chihuahua" could be found.
21:25 <ghableska> antlers?
21:25 <ghableska> :P
21:25 <Vanhayes> lol
21:26 <McSpiddles> #google raindeer chihuahua
21:26 <armabot> McSpiddles: Search took 0.56 seconds: Pet Central Cafe [Archive] - Page 5 - PetLovers.Com: <http://forums.petlovers.com/vb/archive/index.php/f-33-p-5.html>; Slashdot | What Kind of Office Space Do You Want to Work In? OSTG ...: <http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/08/16/2228206>; eBay - Pencil Graphite Drawings From collectibles to cars, buy and ...: (3 more messages)
21:26 <Vanhayes> #dict chiuaua
21:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "chiuaua" could be found.
21:26 <Vanhayes> #dict dog
21:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: devils, gcide, easton, wn, bouvier, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Sundog \Sun"dog`\, n. (Meteorol.) 1. A luminous spot occasionally seen a few degrees from the sun, supposed to be formed by the intersection of two or more halos, or in a manner similar to that of halos. [1913 Webster] 2. A fragmentary rainbow; a small rainbow near the horizon; -- called also {dog} and (33 more messages)
21:26 <McSpiddles> hold on
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21:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_%28dog%29
21:28 <McSpiddles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ChihuahuaPrue.jpg
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> apparently they just think there's a possibility they were bred in China, since the chinese used to like to shrink stuff
21:28 <McSpiddles> there's a pure chihuahua
21:28 * Lucifer_arma wonders if chinese men all have small penises
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> other than that, they're pretty sure chihuahuas came to Mexico from Spain, but from where before Spain they don't know for sure
21:29 <McSpiddles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CHIHUAHUA_DOG.JPG
21:29 <McSpiddles> that's something like what mine looks like
21:29 <Vanhayes> that one isnt that bad but I think dogs should be bigger than cats
21:29 <McSpiddles> only the white isn't that bright
21:29 <McSpiddles> and the black is brawn
21:29 <McSpiddles> brown
21:29 <Vanhayes> heh why is called a reindeer chiuaua?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> every small dog I've known has been really hyperactive
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> that drives me nuts
21:30 <McSpiddles> mine's not hyper
21:30 <McSpiddles> mine's old
21:30 <McSpiddles> like 8-9
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> does he smoke pot like the one in Dude, Where's my Car?
21:30 <McSpiddles> LOL
21:30 <McSpiddles> no
21:31 <McSpiddles> mine has some grey hair
21:31 <McSpiddles> O_o
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I've got a grey hair
21:31 <McSpiddles> haha
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> seems to be gone now, I wonder where it went? I noticed it a couple of nights ago, it had dropped down in front of my eye
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> my beard is shot with white, when it's there anyway :)
21:33 <McSpiddles> heh
21:34 <McSpiddles> ghableska has grey hair
21:34 <ghableska> o_O
21:34 * ghableska quickly dyes hair
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I thought ghableska was a kid?
21:34 <McSpiddles> just for men doesn't count
21:35 * Lucifer_arma has no intention of dying his hair, long grey hair is cool
21:35 <McSpiddles> LOL
21:35 <ghableska> :P
21:37 * Luke-Jr ponders setting up a cron to build nightly AA Win32 builds =p
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22:12 <Luke-Jr> z-man-home: respawning needs client code, eh?
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22:48 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
22:48 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
23:06 <Luke-Jr> ...
23:07 <Luke-Jr> I complain about having 10 flies in my apartment in the past 10 hours to kill
23:07 <Luke-Jr> and I'm told I'm *talented*
23:07 <Luke-Jr> -.-
23:07 <ghableska> o.0
23:09 * Sakireth__ eats an apple
23:13 <Vanhayes> ghableska what was wrong with your ping?
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23:17 <ghableska> what?
23:18 <Vanhayes> when you cam ein as vanhayes in CT your ping was around 500
23:18 <ghableska> o_O
23:18 <ghableska> it's 152...
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23:35 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add
23:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add
23:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (quote add [<channel>] <text>) -- Adds <text> to the $type database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son
23:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded. Quote #19 added.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> #quote 19
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> #list Qute
23:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'Qute' is not a valid plugin.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> #list Quote
23:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> #quote get 19
23:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 04:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
23:44 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtl
23:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [06:45:37] * spidey|sleep pense que le wrtlprnft est court
23:44 <ghableska> o_O
23:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, so i didn't miss anything
23:44 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:44 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:44 <ghableska> cya
23:44 <Vanhayes|eats> night
23:44 <ghableska> Vanhayes|eats what?
23:45 -!- Vanhayes|eats is now known as Vanhayes
23:45 <ghableska> :)
23:45 <Vanhayes> vanhayes eats burgers
23:45 <ghableska> oh
23:51 <McSpiddles> O_o
23:51 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes|eats ghableska
23:51 <McSpiddles> o_O
23:52 <McSpiddles> errrr
23:52 * ghableska is unhealthy to eat
23:52 <madmax|pt> omg
23:52 <McSpiddles> floppy drive won't unmount
23:52 <McSpiddles> and that icon on my desktop is annoying
23:53 <madmax|pt> shoot it
23:54 <ghableska> eat it
23:54 <Vanhayes> call it names untill it crys
23:54 <ghableska> *gasp*
23:54 <ghableska> :P
Log from 2006-07-06:
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00:04 <Vanhayes> brb
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00:05 <Luke-Jr> wr
00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:
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00:07 <ghableska> wb
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00:34 * Vanhayes pokes McSpiddles aka BlAzE
00:34 * McSpiddles pokes player 1
00:35 <Vanhayes> who was Xplod?
00:36 <McSpiddles> max
00:36 <McSpiddles> lol
00:36 <Vanhayes> lol
00:36 <McSpiddles> everyone else thought you was lucifer lol
00:36 <Vanhayes> heh I know
00:36 <McSpiddles> then everyone thought i was wrtlprnft or ghab
00:36 <McSpiddles> O_o
00:37 <McSpiddles> within the past week i've been
00:37 <McSpiddles> spidey
00:37 <McSpiddles> pyroteck
00:37 <McSpiddles> wrtl
00:37 <McSpiddles> ghab
00:37 <McSpiddles> and someone else i forget
00:37 <Vanhayes> ppl dont know that "only idiots write in colour all the time" is a default instant
00:37 <McSpiddles> heh
00:37 <Vanhayes> ppl always ask me if I am kyle when i am player 1
00:37 <McSpiddles> cause they don't press enter without pressing s
00:38 <McSpiddles> lol
00:39 <Vanhayes> well they ask me if I am kyle or "are you the real player 1?"
00:41 <McSpiddles> are you?
00:42 <Vanhayes> yes
00:42 <McSpiddles> sexi
01:31 <Niii> gn
01:33 <deja_vu_> *yaaawn*
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01:37 <Vanhayes> jey Lackadaisical
01:37 <Vanhayes> hey*
01:37 <Lackadaisical> hi Vanhayes
01:39 <cusco> how do I attach a file whe emailing someone with mailx
01:50 <Vanhayes> #list
01:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
01:50 <Vanhayes> #list games
01:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
01:51 <Vanhayes> #list services
01:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
01:51 <Vanhayes> #list misc
01:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
01:51 <Vanhayes> #list Utilities
01:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
01:51 <Vanhayes> #help shuffle
01:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
01:51 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: a s V e n h y a
01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: a h a s e y V n
01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: s n V a a e h y
01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: e y h V s a n a
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01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: y e s V n a h a
01:52 <ghableska> heh
01:52 <ghableska> hi
01:52 <Vanhayes> lol hey ghableska
01:52 <Vanhayes> finding a new nickname
01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: V a n y a h e s
01:52 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: a h e V y s a n
01:52 <ghableska> #shuffle ghableska
01:52 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska
01:53 <ghableska> er
01:53 <Vanhayes> Ha
01:53 <ghableska> wtf
01:53 <ghableska> #shuffle ghableska
01:53 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska
01:53 <ghableska> ...
01:53 <ghableska> Ooh
01:53 <Vanhayes> heh
01:53 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:53 <ghableska> #shuffle g h a b l e s k a
01:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: a a y s h V n e
01:53 <armabot> ghableska: a b s l e k g h a
01:53 <ghableska> abslekgha
01:53 <ghableska> lol
01:54 <Vanhayes> heh wonder if anyone will notice
01:54 <ghableska> I had my name backwards once, and I don't think anyone noticed
01:55 <ghableska> *noticed that it was me ;)
01:55 <madmax|pt> #shuffle madmax
01:55 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax
01:55 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:55 <ghableska> :P
01:55 <ghableska> same mistake
01:55 <ghableska> #shuffle m a d m a x
01:55 <armabot> ghableska: x d m m a a
01:55 <madmax|pt> heh
01:55 <Vanhayes> damn durka got it right away
01:55 <madmax|pt> #google x d m m a a
01:55 <armabot> madmax|pt: No matches found. (Search took 0.48 seconds)
01:55 <madmax|pt> lol
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: n a V e y a h s
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: h y s a n V e a
01:56 <Vanhayes> hmm
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: l y a e P 1 r
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: e l y a P r 1
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1
01:56 <ghableska> o_
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: P r 1 a l e y
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: P 1 a y r e l
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: l r e 1 a y P
01:56 <ghableska> I prefer 1 reyalp
01:56 <ghableska> :P
01:57 <ghableska> or just reyalp, actually
01:57 <Vanhayes> heh I use that one too
01:57 <ghableska> I know ;)
01:57 <Vanhayes> lol
02:01 <Vanhayes> #shuffle P l a y e r 1 V a n h a y e s
02:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: l 1 a y e V P a e y n r h s a
02:01 <Vanhayes> lol too big
02:01 <ghableska> hehe
02:01 <McSpiddles> ....
02:01 <Vanhayes> #shuffle p l a y e r v a n h a y e s
02:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: r n y l a e y p a h v s a e
02:02 <Vanhayes> wait it just fits lol
02:02 <Vanhayes> #shuffle p l a y e r 1 v a n h a y e s
02:02 <ghableska> o_O
02:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: s y e p r h n v a a y a 1 e l
02:02 <ghableska> that takes more time to say it than to write it
02:02 <Vanhayes> lol
02:03 <McSpiddles> #shuffle s u p e r c a l a f r a g a l i s t i c e x p e a l a d o s e s z o m g w t f p w n
02:03 <armabot> McSpiddles: w s g i a e o o l f m l f n s p a s a z a e i e g r p c c a x p a r d s w u t t l e
02:03 <ghableska> I like the end, actually
02:03 <ghableska> "wuttle"
02:03 <Vanhayes> lool
02:03 <ghableska> sounds nice :)
02:03 <McSpiddles> lol
02:03 <Vanhayes> #shuffle p w n
02:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: w p n
02:03 <ghableska> Vanhayes: change your name to wuttle
02:04 <Vanhayes> #dict wuttle
02:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "wuttle" could be found.
02:04 <deja_vu> O.o
02:04 <Vanhayes> heh just checking
02:06 <ghableska> #google wuttle
02:06 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.52 seconds: Facts and Figures 2002: <http://rru.worldbank.org/PapersLinks/Open.aspx?id=6966>; Tear Down The Projects Blog - Hoboken.com: <http://www.hoboken.com/?d=blog&blogtid=7>; TOWNWIDE FUND ST. PATRICK'S RUN MARCH 18, 2006 FINISH LINE ROAD ...: <http://www.flrrt.com/results/pat06.txt>; Comments on: China V India: Some random numbers: (3 more messages)
02:06 <ghableska> o.0
02:06 <Vanhayes> # google s y e p r h n v a a y a 1 e l
02:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.88 seconds)
02:06 <Vanhayes> #google s y e p r h n v a a y a 1 e l
02:06 <ghableska> lol
02:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
02:07 <ghableska> o_O
02:07 <Vanhayes> #google player 1
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.50 seconds: Download DivX for Windows: <http://www.divx.com/divx/download/>; MPEG Pointers and Resources: <http://www.mpeg.org/>; MPEG- 1 Player (no audio): <http://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/MPEG/MPEG_Play.html>; J!NX - Player 1 T-Shirt - Gamer Geek Nerd Hacker Computer: <http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=547>; Secunia - Vulnerability (2 more messages)
02:08 <McSpiddles> #google Vanhayes
02:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: Search took 0.53 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; Alientrap.org :: Viewing profile: <http://www.alientrap.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=242&sid=5b7119791fc2aadf7f92937f29cefca7>; na-wt.org :: Viewing profile: <http://na- (3 more messages)
02:08 <Vanhayes> heh
02:08 <Vanhayes> # google ghableska
02:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.49 seconds: Orbiter Forums: <http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=profile&u=842>; Microsoft Flight Simulator X - Off Topic - Orbiter Forums: <http://orbit.m6.net/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1093>; Armagetron Forums :: Viewing profile: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=829&sid=f1f33e90075c5808d13be13547b7b247>; Armagetron Forums :: (2 more messages)
02:08 <ghableska> haha
02:08 <ghableska> all me ^_^
02:08 <McSpiddles> #more
02:08 <armabot> McSpiddles: wt.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=32&sid=c4ba6d2fd154eed7d5625a0aa7bf5aae>; Armagetron Advanced Servers: <http://aabeta.dashjr.org/serverlist.php?sort=address>; Armagetron Advanced Servers: <http://aabeta.dashjr.org/serverlist.php?sort=version>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - BUG cries on Bugfarm Fortress ...: (2 more messages)
02:09 <McSpiddles> van you're from milan tennessee?
02:09 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:09 <McSpiddles> you're a house wife???
02:09 <McSpiddles> hahahahah
02:09 <ghableska> lololol
02:09 <McSpiddles> All about vanhayes
02:09 <McSpiddles>
02:09 <McSpiddles> Joined: 01 Sep 2004
02:09 <McSpiddles> Total posts: 1
02:09 <McSpiddles> [0.06% of total / 0.00 posts per day]
02:09 <McSpiddles> Find all posts by vanhayes
02:09 <McSpiddles> Location: Milan TN
02:09 <McSpiddles> Website:
02:09 <McSpiddles> Occupation: housewife, sunday school teacher
02:09 <McSpiddles> Interests: Pets and Piano
02:10 <ghableska> no, it's Van-hayes, right?
02:10 <McSpiddles> no...
02:10 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes
02:10 <ghableska> on the forums
02:10 <Vanhayes> Van- hayes on arma forums yes
02:10 <ghableska> I've never seen the other Vanhayes before o_O
02:11 <Vanhayes> me either
02:11 <Vanhayes> er I did once but im pretty sure it was pimp
02:11 <ghableska> lol
02:11 <Vanhayes> and that milan one isnt me
02:11 <ghableska> what happened to pimp? :P
02:11 <Vanhayes> no clue
02:11 <Vanhayes> hell be back
02:12 <ghableska> heh
02:13 * ghableska slaps McSpiddles
02:13 <Vanhayes> lol
02:13 <ghableska> got bored...
02:13 <Vanhayes> #insult McSpiddles
02:13 <armabot> McSpiddles - You are nothing but a low-quality mass of ruttish carpet.
02:13 <Vanhayes> heh the lazy way to insult
02:13 <ghableska> #insult Vanhayes
02:13 <armabot> Vanhayes - You are nothing but an evil puddle of dread-bolted craptacular.
02:13 <ghableska> heh
02:13 <ghableska> "evil puddle" :)
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02:14 <Vanhayes> lol craptacular
02:14 <ghableska> #insult
02:14 <armabot> You are nothing but a reeky thimbleful of petrified cold.
02:26 <Vanhayes> #alias
02:26 <Vanhayes> er
02:26 <Vanhayes> #list alias
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, (1 more message)
02:26 <Vanhayes> #more
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, should, spam, spamspamspam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, switchtoheads, switchtotails, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
02:27 <ghableska> #pushredbutton
02:27 <armabot> Don't push this button again!
02:27 <Vanhayes> lol
02:28 <Vanhayes> #help selfcleanalias
02:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: (selfcleanalias <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "alias add $1 echo $* [alias remove $1]".
02:28 <Vanhayes> #selfcleanalias
02:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
02:29 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes doesnt like it when Vanhayes says his name.
02:30 <McSpiddles> wrtlprnft, can the text color above the bike be set back to normal by a console setting? because when people use those fucked up white blocked colors they get in the way of my bike
02:31 <Vanhayes> i think wrtlprnft is asleep
02:31 <McSpiddles> he is
02:31 <McSpiddles> but he'll see it when he wakes up :p
02:32 * ghableska pokes wrtlprnft
02:33 * Vanhayes pokes ghableska
02:34 <Vanhayes> #poke
02:34 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
02:34 * ghableska gets poked
02:34 <Vanhayes> #echo *me
02:34 <armabot> *me
02:34 <Vanhayes> damne
02:34 <Vanhayes> damn*
02:34 <ghableska> #ghableska
02:35 <Vanhayes> lol
02:35 <ghableska> :P
02:38 <McSpiddles> #echo "action lol"
02:38 <armabot> action lol
02:38 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:39 <ghableska> #echo echo
02:39 <armabot> echo
02:39 <ghableska> heh
02:40 <ghableska> #echo #echo
02:40 <armabot> #echo
02:41 <McSpiddles> grrr
02:41 <Vanhayes> #echo #echo the
02:41 <armabot> #echo the
02:42 <McSpiddles> ....
02:42 <McSpiddles> ok so appearntly
02:42 <McSpiddles> my floppy drive isn't mounted
02:42 <McSpiddles> i try to mount it to get rid of that annoying icon
02:43 <McSpiddles> it says it can't find it
02:43 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:43 <McSpiddles> mount: can't find /dev/fd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:44 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google Biggest island in canada
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.70 seconds: CanadaInfoLink is everything you wanted to know about Canada and ...: <http://www.canadainfolink.ca/chartnine.htm>; Wikipedia - Canada: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada>; List of Canadian islands by area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_islands_by_area>; List of Canadian islands by area: Information (2 more messages)
02:47 <McSpiddles> canada has islands?
02:48 <Vanhayes> yes
02:48 <Vanhayes> #google baffin island
02:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.30 seconds: BaffinIsland.ca: Guide to Baffin Island , Nunavut: <http://www.baffinisland.ca/>; Baffin Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baffin_Island>; Lonely Planet | Theme Guides | Islands | Baffin Island , Canada: <http://www.lonelyplanet.com/theme/islands/islands_baffin.htm>; Baffin Island Photos: (2 more messages)
02:50 <madmax|pt> im amazed on how good skip plays
02:50 <madmax|pt> ... not
02:50 <McSpiddles> LOl
02:50 <McSpiddles> he's easily beaten
02:51 <McSpiddles> atleast i can using my "boring" but affective attack
02:51 <McSpiddles> :)
02:51 * ghableska sucks
02:51 <McSpiddles> just circle him filling in his gaps and he'll do the rest
02:51 <McSpiddles> lol
02:52 <McSpiddles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_islands_by_area
02:52 <McSpiddles> O_o
02:52 <ghableska> he makes interesting patterns
02:53 <Vanhayes> well all I know is he isnt half as good as he says he is
02:54 <McSpiddles> agreed :p
02:54 <madmax|pt> the thing is, that when not on def i don't think he knows what he must do
02:54 <McSpiddles> also agreed
02:55 <McSpiddles> he used the winzone against me
03:16 * ghableska is bored
03:17 * Vanhayes *
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03:18 <ghableska> oops
03:18 * Vanhayes *
03:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:18 <Vanhayes> wb
03:19 <ghableska> ...
03:24 <Vanhayes> #list
03:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:24 <Vanhayes> #list math
03:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
03:28 <madmax|pt>
03:28 <ghableska>
03:28 * madmax|pt *
03:29 <ghableska> eugh
03:29 * Vanhayes ***************
03:29 * ghableska *
03:29 <ghableska> :P
03:32 <madmax|pt> who won?
03:32 <Vanhayes> who won what?
03:33 <madmax|pt> the thing
03:33 <Vanhayes> i see...
03:33 <madmax|pt> i see won the thing?
03:34 <ghableska> I got -40 points. :D
03:34 <Vanhayes> what was the highest score?
03:35 <ghableska> 67.
03:35 <Vanhayes> lol 100 points difference
03:35 <Vanhayes> that you high score for lowest score?
03:36 <ghableska> o_O
03:36 <madmax|pt> those scores are in what?
03:36 <ghableska> mbc server
03:37 <madmax|pt> heh
03:37 <madmax|pt> i pwn tron in sumo
03:38 <madmax|pt> its amazing
03:38 <madmax|pt> lol
03:38 <ghableska> lol
03:40 <Vanhayes> cya ghab
03:41 <ghableska> I'm not leaving IRC ;)
03:41 <Vanhayes> lol
03:41 <ghableska> :P
03:41 <madmax|pt> im going to bed
03:41 <madmax|pt> good night
03:41 <ghableska> cya
03:42 <Vanhayes> night madmax|pt
03:45 <Vanhayes> #shuffle g h a b v a n
03:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: b a h v n a g
03:46 <ghableska> o_O
03:46 <Vanhayes> lol that sounds nasty
03:46 <ghableska> it does?
03:46 <Vanhayes> Bahvnag
03:47 <ghableska> sounds like someone sneezing with too much phlegm in their throat
03:48 <ghableska> :P
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04:10 <Vanhayes> McSpiddles can you connect to shrunkland?
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04:11 <McSpiddles> Vanhayes, it's full
04:11 <Vanhayes> ya
04:12 <McSpiddles> plus i think i got banned for trying to join to much O_o
04:12 <Vanhayes> lol fonkay, pandamonium and kamakazi all got in
04:12 <Vanhayes> and now me :)
04:15 <Vanhayes> heh McSpiddles=cindy?
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04:17 <McSpiddles> no...
04:17 <McSpiddles> i was in fortress
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04:27 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
04:27 <Your_mom_arma> hey
04:27 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
04:27 <Vanhayes> hello Your_mom_arma
04:28 <ghableska> ...
04:28 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5151612.stm?ls
04:28 <ghableska> that's just...
04:28 <McSpiddles> that's just...so Vanhayes
04:30 <Your_mom_arma> creepy
04:30 <ghableska> I know
04:31 * ghableska is glad he had already had dinner
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld keep it like the guy though
04:31 <ghableska> sell it on ebay :P
04:31 <ghableska> probably make a fortune off it
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> wanna see something cool? (escorts you to jar with skull labeling)
04:31 <ghableska> ol
04:31 <ghableska> *lol
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04:43 <McSpiddles> you gotta be shitting me
04:43 <McSpiddles> O_o
04:43 <McSpiddles> they have 10-15 pages per math packet for the hard math shit
04:44 <McSpiddles> but for fractions they have a fuckin 32 page packet....
04:44 <McSpiddles> fractions = easy :/
05:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:01 <McSpiddles> they load a book down with the easy stuff
05:01 <McSpiddles> but only give you so much info on the hard stuff
05:01 <McSpiddles> that's gay
05:01 <McSpiddles> :/
05:01 <Luke-Jr> this is weird
05:01 <McSpiddles> ?
05:01 <Luke-Jr> I'm compiling and making an installer for Windows
05:01 <Luke-Jr> without using Windows
05:02 <McSpiddles> lo
05:02 <McSpiddles> lol
05:02 <McSpiddles> need more space on the server? O_o
05:02 <Luke-Jr> ?
05:03 * McSpiddles is thinking about upgrading to 10gigs of space
05:03 <Luke-Jr> o
05:03 <McSpiddles> or switching hosts....not sure
05:03 <Luke-Jr> did they ever get the vhost setup? =p
05:03 <McSpiddles> i doubt it
05:03 <McSpiddles> O_o
05:03 <McSpiddles> sec
05:03 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:04 <Luke-Jr> well I want to start my own company/contract work
05:04 <Luke-Jr> so if you want to switch hosts, let me get a server I can host you on =p
05:04 <McSpiddles> acid@server [/etc]# cat userdomains
05:04 <McSpiddles> www.fallin-angels.com: acid
05:04 <McSpiddles> nope :/
05:05 <McSpiddles> lol
05:05 <McSpiddles> as long as you got cpanel :p
05:05 <Luke-Jr> why? I thought you hated cpanel? =p
05:05 <McSpiddles> <insert sarcasm here>
05:06 <Luke-Jr> I supposed SSH only would be too bare?
05:06 <Luke-Jr> =p
05:06 <Luke-Jr> suppose*
05:06 <McSpiddles> mmm
05:06 <McSpiddles> ssh and ftp
05:06 <McSpiddles> i could live with that
05:07 <Luke-Jr> erm
05:07 <Luke-Jr> how about minus ftp?
05:07 * McSpiddles thinks about buying a $5 shell and putting a tron server on it O_o
05:07 <McSpiddles> um
05:07 <Luke-Jr> I don't like huge gaping security risks...
05:07 <McSpiddles> i can't seem to upload via ssh
05:07 <Luke-Jr> why not?
05:07 <McSpiddles> it doesn't like me
05:07 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:07 <Luke-Jr> example?
05:08 <McSpiddles> "local file not found"
05:08 <McSpiddles> "remote file not found"
05:08 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:08 <McSpiddles> i always get those to
05:08 <McSpiddles> :/
05:08 * Luke-Jr doesn't believe you =p
05:08 <Luke-Jr> here, I got an idea
05:08 <McSpiddles> lol
05:08 <Luke-Jr> how about I just host something on my local server gratis for now
05:08 <McSpiddles> or maybe that was ftp
05:08 <Luke-Jr> and we see how it works out =p
05:08 <McSpiddles> i forget
05:09 <McSpiddles> k
05:09 <McSpiddles> ohhhh
05:09 <McSpiddles> i know
05:09 <McSpiddles> i never tried ssh to upload
05:09 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:09 <McSpiddles> because i used to always use putty
05:10 <McSpiddles> and to upload a file it was "send /path/to/whatever"
05:10 <McSpiddles> and that's not in the terminal ssh
05:10 <McSpiddles> O_o
05:10 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:11 <McSpiddles> acid@server [~/public_html]# send
05:11 <McSpiddles> -jailshell: send: command not found
05:11 <McSpiddles> in putty "send" uploads a file
05:11 <McSpiddles> :p
05:11 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:11 <Luke-Jr> you know 'cp'?
05:12 <McSpiddles> oh
05:12 <Luke-Jr> well, change 'cp' to 'scp'
05:12 <Luke-Jr> and prefix a path with 'hostname:'
05:12 <Luke-Jr> so
05:13 <Luke-Jr> scp file.html hachi.dashjr.org:public_html/
05:17 <ghableska> 'night everyone
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06:20 <Lucifer_arma> What did Jeffrey Daumer say to Charles Manson?
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06:23 <Your_mom_arma> what?
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06:36 <Lucifer_arma> are you gonna eat that?
06:37 <McSpiddles> hmmm
06:38 <McSpiddles> #g three and three-fourths/one and two-thirds
06:38 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:38 <McSpiddles> bah
06:38 * McSpiddles wonders if arma can do fractions O_o
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> 15/4 * 3/5
06:40 <McSpiddles> #g 14/4 * 3/5
06:40 <armabot> ((14 / 4) * 3) / 5 = 2.1
06:41 <McSpiddles> nope
06:41 <McSpiddles> lol
06:41 <McSpiddles> well
06:41 <McSpiddles> that was close anyways
06:42 <McSpiddles> 2.2 is the answer i think
06:42 <McSpiddles> O_o
06:43 <McSpiddles> ah
06:43 <McSpiddles> no it's 4.3
06:45 * McSpiddles wishes k-calc did fractions
06:47 <Your_mom_arma> lol luci
06:59 <McSpiddles> argh
06:59 <McSpiddles> this math packet is making my head hurt
07:00 <McSpiddles> so many things they're trying to teach are oppiset of how i learned in school
07:03 <McSpiddles> lucifer don't you flip the right fraction to make a faction-devision problem multiplication?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> umm, that's what I did a minute ago
07:03 <McSpiddles> bastards
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, you take the reciprocal of the fraaction on the bottom
07:03 <McSpiddles> htey're trying to say you don't flip it
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can cross-multiply it, but I always lose track of which is my denominator when I do that
07:04 <McSpiddles> which means by there grade book
07:04 <McSpiddles> i've already failed half this packet
07:04 <McSpiddles> gaaaah
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> besides, when you get to algebra it's easier to take the reciprocal :)
07:04 <McSpiddles> yea
07:04 <McSpiddles> but what i'm getting at is they say the oppisite :/
07:05 <McSpiddles> which means i either go back with whiteout and change my answers
07:05 <McSpiddles> or fail it :/
07:05 * Lucifer_arma notes that math should always be done in pencil :)
07:05 <McSpiddles> well
07:05 <McSpiddles> i never had to change my answers
07:05 <McSpiddles> i've always been good in math
07:05 <McSpiddles> and got good grades :P
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> what is the packet trying to teach you? See, maybe they're drilling you on working with fractions in your head?
07:06 <McSpiddles> um
07:06 <McSpiddles> ok
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> in that case, taking the reciprocal is an extra step that only causes problems, so you do it differently :)
07:06 <McSpiddles> here's a example problem
07:06 <McSpiddles> 3/4 / 3
07:06 <McSpiddles> changes to
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> 1/12
07:07 <McSpiddles> 3/4 * 1/2
07:07 <McSpiddles> = 3/8
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> ? where did the 1/2 come from?
07:07 <McSpiddles> that's what they say...
07:07 <McSpiddles> er
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> what do the directions say?
07:07 <McSpiddles> typo
07:07 <McSpiddles> 3/4 / 2
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, wait a minute
07:07 <McSpiddles> changes to 3/4 * 1/2
07:07 <McSpiddles> = 3/8
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that's right
07:08 <McSpiddles> O_O
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's 3/4 divided by Two, right?
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> what's the reciprocal of Two?
07:08 <McSpiddles> 1/2
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> so to divide 3/4 by Two, you multiple 3/4 times 1/2, right?
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> then you go across, 3*1/4*2
07:09 <McSpiddles> and 4*2
07:09 <McSpiddles> then devide
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, 3/8 is the simplest form of that number
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> or something like taht
07:10 <McSpiddles> but the way my math teacher in school tought, you change 1/2 to 2/1 then multiply :/
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> then you were taught wrong then and are learning right now :)
07:10 <McSpiddles> gaaah
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> why do we have two deja_vu's?
07:11 <McSpiddles> time out?
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> Time in
07:17 <McSpiddles> omg
07:17 <McSpiddles> i went through this hole thing and the answers are in the back of the book
07:17 <McSpiddles> :|
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07:35 <McSpiddles> errr
07:35 * McSpiddles slaps gateway
07:35 <McSpiddles> the only procedure they have for this problem involves a calc. that does fractions :/
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08:40 <Vanhayes> #google fight "The Godfather" "The Godfather Part 2" "The Godfather Part 3"
08:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: The Godfather: 29600000, The Godfather Part 2: 8740000, The Godfather Part 3: 7560000
08:46 <Your_mom_arma> not really fair all godfather2 and 3 results are inbluded in the original results
08:46 <Your_mom_arma> blah
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> included
08:48 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: yes they can
08:48 <wrtlprnft> McSpiddles: look at NEWS to see which setting
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10:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:
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13:05 <madmax|pt> #last
13:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: [03:21:06] <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:
13:05 <madmax|pt> lol
13:12 <Sakireth> lol
13:14 <wrtlprnft> 13:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: [03:21:06] <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:
13:14 <wrtlprnft> #last
13:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [06:15:04] <wrtlprnft> 13:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: [03:21:06] <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> #last
13:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [06:15:05] <wrtlprnft> #last
13:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guru3_: ping?
13:38 <McSpiddles> omg
13:38 * McSpiddles is waiting for my dogs to get attacked
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13:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> McSpiddles: you can call me [Xpert]DarkStar
13:39 * McSpiddles found a opossium playing dead on the porch
13:39 <McSpiddles> O_o
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13:54 <madmax|pt> opossium?
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14:57 <McSpiddles> madmax|pt possium?
14:57 <McSpiddles> sec
14:57 <McSpiddles> madmax|pt, http://www.possumrescue.com/ << that ugly ass thing
14:59 <McSpiddles> they got some sharp ass teeth,too O_o
15:08 <madmax|pt> ohhhh, they look cute
15:08 <McSpiddles> :|
15:08 <madmax|pt> lolol
15:08 <madmax|pt> lunch time
15:08 <McSpiddles> going to eat a possum ?
15:09 <madmax|pt> not really
15:09 * McSpiddles goes to install a windows manager
15:10 <McSpiddles> http://xwinman.org/
15:15 <McSpiddles> checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
15:15 <McSpiddles> configure: error: standard X11 libraries not found
15:15 <McSpiddles> riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
15:16 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> lucifer around?
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, what's up?
15:20 <McSpiddles> O_o
15:21 * McSpiddles has 89 packages to install/upgrade
15:21 <McSpiddles> bah
15:21 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> oh, i just thot i'd mention
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> Hi,
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> Would you want to be on, or know anyone local who would want to be on
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> a modding panel
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> at the conference in a couple weeks? This could include Armegatron and
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> stuff like that.
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> Thanks
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> Michael
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> a independant game editing conference..
15:22 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> i might go but i'm not presenting
15:23 <joda_bot> SuPeRTaRD-bbl: where is that conference ?
15:25 <SuPeRTaRD-bbl> in austin tx
15:41 <McSpiddles> wooooo
15:41 <McSpiddles> synaptic crashed xD
15:41 <McSpiddles> give me the most restricted computer on earth.....i'll find a way to break it,i seem to always do O_o
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16:34 <spidey> fluxbox's being a bitch :/
16:34 <spidey> blackbox works just fine though
16:34 <Luke-Jr> go with KDE =p
16:34 <spidey> i've got kde
16:34 <spidey> but
16:34 <spidey> 09:34:06 up 3 min, 2 users, load average: 0.16, 0.28, 0.13
16:34 <spidey> my loads are much lower
16:34 <spidey> with blackbox :p
16:34 <Luke-Jr> of course
16:35 <spidey> and i've figured out how to use the terminal to start anything i need
16:35 <spidey> so i'll leave it this way :p
16:35 <Luke-Jr> Konsole has tabs tho!
16:35 <Luke-Jr> and you'll be needing the KDE libs anyhow for Konqueror
16:35 <spidey> lol
16:35 <spidey> ......
16:36 <Luke-Jr> .....
16:37 <Luke-Jr> Unless you really don't care for tabs and just want to use Links to save memory
16:37 <joda_bot> You can try code::blocks ;)
16:37 <Luke-Jr> isn't that windoze-only?
16:37 <joda_bot> ups, wrong app anyway ;)
16:37 <spidey> lol
16:37 <joda_bot> code::blocks is an alternative to kdeveloper ;)
16:37 <joda_bot> firefox should work just fine ;)
16:37 <Luke-Jr> um
16:38 <Luke-Jr> FireFox may be the best for Windows, but it's second-class at best on *nix
16:38 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: there is not that much difference between windows and linux firefox
16:38 * spidey uses firefox on both
16:38 <joda_bot> and I really like to have a similiar interface across platforms
16:39 <joda_bot> + extentions for adblocking if you can accept the slower page loading
16:40 <spidey> whoa
16:40 <spidey> i lost my gaim
16:40 <Luke-Jr> and it'll use more RAM/CPU than KDE would
16:40 <Luke-Jr> FireFox doesn't even support text-shadow :(
16:40 <spidey> O_o
16:40 <Luke-Jr> which is CSS 2
16:40 <Luke-Jr> eww, gaaim
16:40 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: that's solved by using only *nix platforms
16:40 * spidey goes to find blackbox plugins
16:41 <Luke-Jr> spidey: use Psi
16:41 <spidey> ?
16:41 <Luke-Jr> for IM
16:41 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: Stick with KDE ... ever looked at all the nice background processes ? ;)
16:41 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: sure
16:41 * spidey has 51 processes
16:42 <spidey> kde give me over 70
16:42 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.17-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.874 MHz) - Processes: 299 - Uptime: 3d 17h 29m - Users: 97 - Load Average: 13.92 - Memory Usage: 2512MB/1002MB (250%)
16:42 <Luke-Jr> nothin wrong wth a few proceesses =p
16:42 <spidey> not when you got 3gigs of ram
16:42 <spidey> i only got 376mb
16:42 <Luke-Jr> shared libraries....
16:42 <Luke-Jr> I onyl got 1 GB
16:43 <Luke-Jr> 376 is a bit low tho o.o
16:43 <spidey> i guess you're using some of your swap then?
16:43 <Luke-Jr> plenty
16:43 <Luke-Jr> but that's because I have
16:43 <spidey> 299 processes O_o
16:43 <Luke-Jr> 15 virtual desktops
16:43 <spidey> omg
16:43 <Luke-Jr> and however many konsoles w/ 5 or so tabs each
16:44 * spidey goes to edit blackbox
16:44 <Luke-Jr> and like I said, you'll need KDE running enough for Konqueror anyway
16:44 <Luke-Jr> or use an inferior FireFox which eats yet more RAM
16:44 <Luke-Jr> or simply deal with Links
16:44 * spidey still wonders where his gaim went O_o
16:45 <Luke-Jr> not to mention Gaim and it's RAM eating
16:45 <spidey> gaim doesn't eat my ram
16:45 <spidey> not on windows or linux
16:45 <Luke-Jr> it certainly eats mine
16:45 <Luke-Jr> compared to Psi anyhow
16:48 <Luke-Jr> Psi's rw memory usage is just under 30 K
16:48 <spidey> who needs konqueror?
16:48 <spidey> you can use file managers on blackbox to
16:48 <Luke-Jr> pmap $(pidof gaim) -x | grep rw | cut -b 17-24 | while read x; do echo $x +f; done | dc
16:48 <spidey> there's rox and a few others
16:48 <Luke-Jr> Konqueror as a web browser
16:48 <spidey> bah
16:48 <spidey> i use firefox,so i don't need it
16:48 <Luke-Jr> ok, let me rephrase
16:49 <Luke-Jr> Konqueror as the best web browser in existence today
16:49 <spidey> lie
16:49 <Luke-Jr> FireFox uses more RAM than KDE does
16:49 <spidey> lies
16:49 <Luke-Jr> nope
16:49 <Luke-Jr> FireFox is an inferior browser
16:49 <Luke-Jr> its *only* strengths are plugins and Win compatiblity
16:50 <spidey> i like it,so i'll use it :)
16:50 <Luke-Jr> and in the case of plugins, KDE 4 should take care of that
16:50 <spidey> besides
16:50 <spidey> i only run things when i need them
16:50 <Luke-Jr> pmap $(pidof mozilla-firefox) -x | grep rw | cut -b 17-24 | while read x; do echo $x +f; done | dc
16:50 <spidey> so firefox does fine :)
16:51 <Luke-Jr> so how much rw memorry does Gaim use anyhow?
16:51 <spidey> sec
16:53 <spidey> erm
16:54 <spidey> O_o
16:54 <spidey> gaim isn't even running
16:54 <Luke-Jr> ...
16:54 <spidey> heh
16:54 <spidey> when you minimize something
16:55 <spidey> it closes
16:55 <Luke-Jr> that's messed up
16:55 <Luke-Jr> use KDE
16:55 <spidey> no
16:55 <spidey> it's using 1.4%
16:55 <Luke-Jr> so you get 98.6% left
16:55 <Luke-Jr> big deal =p
16:55 <spidey> lol
16:55 <spidey> well
16:55 <spidey> blackbox uses 1.1%
16:55 <spidey> what does kde use? :)
16:56 <Luke-Jr> of?
16:56 <spidey> of how much ram you got
16:56 <Luke-Jr> no idea
16:56 <Luke-Jr> KDE has multiple processes
16:56 <Luke-Jr> that's hard to count RAM use
16:57 <spidey> so i'll stick with blackbox :
16:57 <spidey> :p
16:57 <Luke-Jr> unless you count everything multiple times
16:57 <Luke-Jr> because every KDE process uses Qt
16:57 <Luke-Jr> but Qt is only in RAM once
16:57 <Luke-Jr> for all em
16:58 <spidey> mmm
16:58 <spidey> tgz compresses
16:58 <Luke-Jr> remember, this isn't Windows =p
16:58 <Luke-Jr> erm
16:58 <spidey> so what uncompresses :/
16:59 <Luke-Jr> tgz is a formats
16:59 <Luke-Jr> tar archives directories
17:00 <Luke-Jr> tar cjvp <directory> | bzip2 > archive.tbz2
17:00 <Luke-Jr> erm
17:00 <Luke-Jr> tar cvp <directory> | bzip2 > archive.tbz2
17:00 <Luke-Jr> or, for shortcut
17:00 <Luke-Jr> tar cjvpf archive.tbz2 <directory>
17:00 <Luke-Jr> the 'j' means tar itself will pipe it thru bzip2
17:00 <Luke-Jr> the 'f' means tar writes output to a file
17:00 <spidey> tar -xf archive.tar
17:00 <spidey> that's what i want
17:01 <Luke-Jr> except you're missing 'vp' =p
17:01 <spidey> didn't need it
17:01 <Luke-Jr> 'v' means to list files as they're added/extraced
17:01 <spidey> done extracted :p
17:01 <Luke-Jr> 'p' means to keep permissions
17:01 <Luke-Jr> which is usually needed
17:01 <Luke-Jr> eg, to keep executables executable
17:02 <Luke-Jr> so 'tar xvpf archive.tar'
17:02 <Luke-Jr> (the dash is optional)
17:02 <spidey> LOL
17:02 <spidey> i made a --help.tgz
17:02 <spidey> now i can't remove it
17:02 <spidey> O_o
17:02 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:02 <Luke-Jr> rm -- --help.tgz
17:03 <spidey> O_o
17:03 <spidey> mm
17:03 <Luke-Jr> 'tar xjvpf archive.tbz2' will decompress and extract at the same time ;)
17:03 <Luke-Jr> use 'z' instead of 'j' if it's gzip and not bzip2
17:04 <spidey> erm
17:04 <spidey> so i can't rmdir unless it's empty?
17:04 <spidey> O_o
17:04 <Luke-Jr> right
17:04 <spidey> gah
17:04 <Luke-Jr> can't rmdir unless it's empty in Win either
17:05 <spidey> can too
17:05 <Luke-Jr> if you're sure you don't need anything from that dir, rm -r works
17:05 <Luke-Jr> nope
17:05 <Luke-Jr> you'd need deltree
17:05 <spidey> that's back from win98
17:05 <spidey> deltree isn't in winxp anymore
17:05 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:05 <Luke-Jr> anyway, rm -r works
17:05 <Luke-Jr> just be careful with it
17:06 <spidey> "deltree" is not recognized as a internal or external command,operable program or batch file
17:06 <spidey> :p
17:06 <Luke-Jr> btw
17:06 <Luke-Jr> 'll' is a nice shortcut for 'ls -l'
17:07 <spidey> la works
17:07 <Luke-Jr> it does?
17:07 <spidey> yea
17:07 <Luke-Jr> not by default =p
17:07 <spidey> it's a quicker shortcut :p
17:07 <spidey> does for me
17:07 <spidey> i did a typo and it listed like ls -l does
17:07 <Luke-Jr> hachi luke-jr # la
17:07 <Luke-Jr> bash: la: command not found
17:07 <Luke-Jr> and hachi was just installed a few weeks ago
17:07 <spidey> i can't copy/paste from xterm or i'd show ya
17:08 <Luke-Jr> sure you can
17:08 <Luke-Jr> just select it
17:08 <Luke-Jr> and middle click on IRC
17:08 <Luke-Jr> in the text area
17:08 <spidey> spidey@2[Desktop]$ la
17:08 <spidey> total 3984
17:08 <spidey> drwxr-xr-x 3 spidey users 4096 2006-07-06 10:02 .
17:08 <spidey> drwxr-xr-x 35 spidey users 4096 2006-07-06 09:54 ..
17:08 <spidey> -rw-r--r-- 1 spidey users 650400 2006-07-06 08:12 blackbox-0.70.1.tar.gz
17:08 <spidey> oh
17:08 <Luke-Jr> weird
17:08 <Luke-Jr> I prefer 'ls -lh' myself
17:08 <spidey> spidey@2[Desktop]$ rmdir -r ROX-All-0.6/
17:08 <spidey> rmdir: invalid option -- r
17:08 <spidey> Try `rmdir --help' for more information
17:08 <spidey> O_o
17:09 <spidey> ih
17:09 <spidey> oh*
17:09 <spidey> nvm
17:09 <spidey> lol
17:14 <spidey> .....
17:14 <spidey> i'm getting permission denied trying to run something as root
17:14 <spidey> :/
17:15 <spidey> root@2[Debian]# ./zeroinstall-injector_0.19-1_all.deb
17:15 <spidey> -su: ./zeroinstall-injector_0.19-1_all.deb: Permission denied
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17:22 <[NP]Tangent> good morning guys
17:22 <[NP]Tangent> when I get back from the dentist
17:22 <[NP]Tangent> I shall kick some ass on swampland :>
17:24 <Luke-Jr> spidey: it's not executable
17:24 <spidey> yar
17:24 <spidey> i got it
17:24 <spidey> kinda
17:24 <spidey> spidey@2[Other]$ python setup.py install
17:24 <spidey> running install
17:24 <spidey> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
17:25 <spidey> where's my makefile O_o
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> dpkg -i ./zeroisntall-whatever
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> I think that's what you do
17:25 <[NP]Tangent> heh
17:25 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you're using 'p' when you untar stuff, right?
17:25 <spidey> ya
17:25 <Luke-Jr> um
17:25 <spidey> spidey@2[Other]$ tar xjvpf ROX-All-0.6.tgz
17:25 <Luke-Jr> you ran setup.py w/o install?
17:26 <spidey> actually
17:26 <spidey> j =z
17:26 <spidey> yes
17:26 <Luke-Jr> what are you trying to install anyhow?
17:26 <spidey> a file manager
17:26 <Luke-Jr> such as?
17:26 <spidey> rox
17:27 <Luke-Jr> 'emerge rox'
17:27 <spidey> ?
17:27 <Luke-Jr> what OS? =p
17:27 <spidey> mepis
17:27 <Luke-Jr> o
17:27 <Luke-Jr> good luck :)
17:27 <spidey> lol
17:28 <Luke-Jr> you're best bet is finding a binary package
17:28 <Luke-Jr> maybe 'apt-get install rox'
17:29 <spidey> heh
17:29 <spidey> it's not in the repository
17:29 <spidey> installing python 2.4
17:29 * spidey needs to update alot of stuff O_o
17:34 <spidey> mepis has a experimental running a ubuntu kernal
17:38 <spidey> meh got
17:38 <spidey> it
17:38 <spidey> apt-get remove python2.3
17:38 <spidey> then install 2.4
17:41 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:41 <Luke-Jr> mepis sounds annoyinh
17:41 <Luke-Jr> g
17:42 <spidey> python install works now O_o
17:44 <spidey> mm
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17:51 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|Testing
17:51 <spidey|Testing> bbl,gotta go test O_o
17:51 <ghableska> have fun
18:01 <spidey|Testing> holy shit
18:01 <ghableska> ?
18:01 <spidey|Testing> i haven't touched my math packets since October last year
18:01 <ghableska> o_O
18:01 <spidey|Testing> and i'm supposed to do 4 pages a day
18:01 <ghableska> :O
18:01 <spidey|Testing> anyways
18:01 <spidey|Testing> i just made fake logs
18:01 <spidey|Testing> lol
18:02 <spidey|Testing> bbl
18:02 <ghableska> lol
18:33 <Sakireth> ARGH!
18:33 <Sakireth> RAITARO WROTE OWNED ON MY FOREHEAD!
18:36 <ghableska> o.0
18:36 <guru3> can anyone reach http://results.ibo.org ?
18:36 <ghableska> nope
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18:47 <Brooky> Hi all
18:47 <ghableska> hey
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> SuPeRTaRD-bbl: sorry, I can only do it if it's paid right now. :( I'm in the middle of calc 2, very busy.
19:23 <guru3> the good news is i passed my exams
19:24 <guru3> the bad news is my parents will kill me anyway
19:26 <guru3> i'd be honored if you all would attend my funeral :(
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19:39 <Lucifer_arma> why are they going to kill you anyway?
19:39 -!- Vanhayes [n=lamb--ch@stjhnbsu84w-156034178101.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> and did you ask them about sending your body to me? I've got an awesome new marinade....
19:39 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:39 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:42 <Brooky> guru why will they kill you?
19:42 <Brooky> so that means your coming to uni in england then?
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> he probably got a bunch of 99s
19:45 <Brooky> what are 99s?
19:45 <guru3> not even close lucifer :/
19:45 <guru3> i get well worse than predicted grades
19:46 <guru3> which means odds are i won't be going where i want to go for university
19:46 <Brooky> oh
19:46 <guru3> in terms for lucifer, i got a bunch of B-/C+s
19:46 <guru3> in terms for Brooky
19:46 <Brooky> still england though?
19:46 <guru3> i got like... BBC
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> how the fuck did that happen?
19:46 * Lucifer_arma kills guru3
19:46 <Brooky> Ok
19:47 <guru3> beats me lucifer
19:47 <guru3> beats me
19:47 <guru3> for some reason i did the worse in english
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> were you tripping on acid?
19:47 <guru3> which is ironic
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> was it graded by a swede?
19:47 <guru3> considering that's the class whose teacher rated me the highest
19:47 <guru3> no it was graded internationally
19:47 <guru3> because i did the IB...
19:48 <guru3> point is my grades aren't fantastic :(
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5154396.stm <--- great, we spend billions of dollars so these guys can go into orbit and photograph themselves
19:50 <guru3> better than spending billions to have it go up in a big ball of flame
19:51 <Brooky> lmao
19:52 <Brooky> they are still good enough
19:52 <Brooky> i know people who have gone to sheffield with worse than that
19:52 <Brooky> trust me
19:52 <guru3> it's pretty well below what the requested tho :/
19:52 <Brooky> oh
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody else get the picture of nasa as this tired old dog just barely making it over the fence, and any day now he'll go to jump the fence and bash his head instead?
19:52 <Brooky> what did they ask you to get?
19:53 <guru3> i got asked for 6 5 5 and 33 points overall
19:53 <guru3> i got
19:53 <guru3> * 6 6 5
19:53 <guru3> i got 6 5 5 and 31
19:53 <guru3> the thing is that those 6/5s had to be in certain subjects
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's not terrible, are there test scores along with it?
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> and I assume you'll be compared to other applicants?
19:53 <guru3> yes
19:54 <guru3> i needed a 6 in math, physics, and a 5 in chemistry
19:54 <guru3> i got a 5 in math, 6 in physics, 5 in chemistry
19:54 <guru3> but i'm two overall points short
19:54 <guru3> (invidual exam grades are added up for the total # of points)
19:54 <Brooky> i think they will let you
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> you're in striking distance
19:54 <guru3> should i like email them you recon?
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> those university creeps ask for the moon and are happy if you just give them a big chunk of cheese
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> you should go down there and drop your transcript on the lady's desk and say "Well, it's not quite what you asked for, but it's better than any 3 Americans"
19:55 <Brooky> lmfao
19:55 <guru3> :/
19:55 <Brooky> why would they come to england?
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> so they can participate in unmanned space flight?
19:56 <Brooky> i dont have a clue
19:56 * Lucifer_arma takes Brooky's point, apparently only artsy-fartsy types go from the US to the UK for university
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> persistance and perseverance are what you need to show now, guru3. Make up the extra points with guts.
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> even a redcoat has gotta like that
19:58 <guru3> haha
19:58 <Brooky> i dont they will be fussy
19:58 <guru3> i'll email them i think
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you send them a "I'm sorry, I suck, can I please still go, please plase please?" they'll say "get a spine"
19:58 <guru3> i was thinking along the lines
19:58 <guru3> of
19:59 <guru3> 'according to my provisional grades i'm slightly off from what you asked for. what do you have to say about it?"
19:59 <Brooky> why were they provisional grades
19:59 <Brooky> ?
19:59 <guru3> they don't finalize my exam grades
19:59 <guru3> for a couple of weeks
20:00 <guru3> pending checks and balances in the system
20:00 <Brooky> okk
20:00 <Brooky> maybe they might get remarked
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as you're not whining or blatantly ass-kissing, otherwise I don't know enough to proofread anything.
20:00 <guru3> if i'm lucky
20:00 <Brooky> they do that over here all the time
20:00 <Brooky> good luck anyway
20:00 <guru3> thnx
20:00 <Brooky> im waiting for my GCSE results
20:00 * guru3 feels slightly more cheerful
20:01 <Brooky> i hope i have done as good as my mocks
20:02 <guru3> i think i actually did worse than my mocks
20:02 <Vanhayes> what is a mock?
20:02 <guru3> practice exam
20:03 <Brooky> practise
20:03 <Brooky> lucifer
20:03 <Brooky> you know when you said "Well, it's not quite what you asked for, but it's better than any 3 Americans"
20:03 <Brooky> Guru is american
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> so am I
20:04 <Brooky> ok
20:04 <Brooky> dont you live in germany?
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> nope, Texas
20:04 <guru3> yeee haaaaa
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> I even wear a cowboy hat
20:04 <Brooky> oh, sorry.
20:04 <Brooky> lol
20:04 <Brooky> nice!
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> have a truck, but I don't drive it much
20:04 <Brooky> cool
20:04 <Brooky> pickup?
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, 71 chevy half-ton
20:05 <Brooky> nice1
20:05 <guru3> hrhr
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> 307 engine with 3 in the tree
20:05 <Brooky> how long have you had it?
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> few years. It's been in the family since '72
20:05 <Brooky> ok
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> I've had it since 2000
20:06 <Brooky> cool
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5155448.stm?ls <--- just when you thought americans were uptight
20:09 <ghableska> o.0
20:09 <guru3> Oo
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> am I the only one who's noticed a strong resemblance between our own phillippe and pauly shore?
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20:16 <Luke-Jr> z-man-home: does respawning work with 0.2.7?
20:17 <Luke-Jr> as a client
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20:24 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: what's the point of the resource thread you started? You ripped up my post without answering that question
20:25 <madmax|pt> anyone here ever used bitlbee?
20:26 <guru3> yes
20:26 <madmax|pt> through xinetd ?
20:27 <guru3> can't remember
20:28 <madmax|pt> i can't put this thing to work :|
20:30 <madmax|pt> do you remember if the line with 'ircd' (and the port) was needed on /etc/services?
20:30 <guru3> i think i have a regular init script for it
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=71311#71311 :)
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21:13 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: the point of the thread was to get release people to ensure the release only contains official resources and to either remove others or add them to the repository
21:47 -!- spidey|Testing is now known as spidey
21:47 <spidey> goddamn it
21:47 <spidey> them stupid mother fuckers :/
21:48 <spidey> i had to retake 2 tests 4! times
21:48 <spidey> because the answer keys was fuckin wrong
21:49 <Brooky> lol
21:50 <Brooky> what tests???
21:50 <spidey> math
21:50 <spidey> i had the right answers
21:50 <spidey> they had the wrong
21:50 <spidey> so i took 2 tests 4 times
21:50 <spidey> untill i started bitching
21:50 <spidey> cause i used a calcutlator on the last set
21:50 <spidey> so i knew they wasn't wrong
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21:58 <[NP]Tangent> spidey must hate his school
22:13 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: e y a s v n h a
22:14 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
22:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: a v s a e y n h
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22:22 <spidey> man
22:22 <spidey> i lost my xchat client
22:22 <spidey> :/
22:22 <Vanhayes> how could you lose it?
22:22 <spidey> well
22:22 <spidey> i restarted blackbox and boom
22:22 <spidey> it's gone
22:23 <spidey> not in /usr/bin anymore
22:23 <spidey> :/
22:23 <spidey> well...locate says it is
22:23 <spidey> but it's not,lol
22:24 <Vanhayes> so what are you using right now?
22:24 <spidey> gaim
22:24 <spidey> think i'ma install bitch-x
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22:29 <Luke-Jr> spidey: locate uses a database
22:29 <spidey> yea
22:30 <Vanhayes> I tried to get bitch x for windows but it didnt work
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22:30 <spidey> they have bitchx for windows?
22:31 <Vanhayes> yes
22:31 <spidey> O_o
22:31 <Vanhayes> it says it is for windows anyway
22:32 <spidey> was it source?
22:32 <spidey> or a .exe?
22:32 <Vanhayes> .exe
22:32 <madmax|pt> its for windows!?
22:32 <madmax|pt> o_O
22:33 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:33 <Vanhayes> .exe and .zip too i think
22:34 <madmax|pt> ah... there is for windows, but through cygwin
22:35 <Vanhayes> that would explain why it doesnt work for me
22:37 <Sakireth> I.
22:37 <Sakireth> Am.
22:37 <Sakireth> Bored.
22:38 <Vanhayes> Thanks.
22:38 <Vanhayes> for.
22:38 <Vanhayes> sharing.
22:38 <Sakireth> You're.
22:38 <Sakireth> Very.
22:38 <Sakireth> Welcome.
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22:40 <spidey> i broke my xserver
22:40 <spidey> heh
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22:44 * spidey attempts to fuck with system files
22:44 <spidey> O_o
22:45 <madmax|pt> holy ...
22:46 <joda_bot> #notes
22:46 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, and SuPeRTaRD.
22:47 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:47 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ...
22:47 <spidey> i'm bored
22:47 <spidey> so i'ma see what i can break
22:47 <Luke-Jr> spidey: move your site? =p
22:47 <spidey> no
22:49 <Sakireth> #notes
22:49 <armabot> Sakireth: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, and SuPeRTaRD.
22:51 <joda_bot> Sakireth: do it again ;)
22:53 <Vanhayes> #note
22:53 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, Saki*, Sakireth, someone, and SuPeRTaRD.
22:53 <Sakireth> #note
22:53 <Sakireth> ah.. :P
22:54 <joda_bot> #m Vanh* this is an example
22:54 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
22:54 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and Vanh*.
22:55 <Vanhayes> #notes vanh*
22:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
22:55 <Vanhayes> #notes Vanh*
22:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
22:55 <Vanhayes> #notes
22:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, phil, someone, and SuPeRTaRD.
22:55 <Vanhayes> hmm
22:58 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: the bot messaged you my message privately
22:58 <joda_bot> there should be a private message from the bot to you , once he sees you talking
22:59 <Sakireth> !notes Sakireth
22:59 <Sakireth> #notes Sakireth
22:59 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
22:59 <Vanhayes> heh msg s used to popup with my ld client, I didnt even notice it
22:59 <Sakireth> #Eat crap
22:59 <Vanhayes> old*
23:01 <Sakireth> #notes armabot
23:01 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:01 <Sakireth> #kick armabot
23:01 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
23:01 <Vanhayes> #m Sakireth <Sakireth> #Eat crap
23:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
23:01 <Vanhayes> like that
23:01 <Sakireth> ...
23:01 <Sakireth> what does that do?
23:01 <Sakireth> #whoami
23:01 <armabot> Sakireth: I don't recognize you.
23:02 <Sakireth> #identify
23:02 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
23:02 <Vanhayes> private msg from armabot
23:02 <Sakireth> ah
23:02 <Sakireth> #m Vanhayes This is a note i think..
23:02 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:02 <spidey> yay
23:02 <Sakireth> #notes Vanhayes
23:02 <armabot> Sakireth: Sent just now: <Sakireth> This is a note i think..
23:02 <spidey> i think i broke gaim
23:02 <spidey> O_o
23:02 <Sakireth> We all did.
23:02 <Sakireth> Gaim bug.
23:02 <spidey> no
23:02 <Sakireth> #m armabot i have a note! YAY!
23:02 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
23:02 <Vanhayes> test
23:02 <Sakireth> dang.
23:03 <spidey> i got bored so i started messing with things
23:03 <spidey> O_o
23:03 <Vanhayes> lol
23:03 <Sakireth> #m armabot unknown this is a test
23:03 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
23:03 <Sakireth> #m unknown this is a test
23:03 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:03 <spidey> #whois unkown
23:03 <Vanhayes> try $randomnick
23:03 <Sakireth> #m $randomnick eat crap
23:03 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:03 <spidey> * End of /MOTD command.
23:03 <spidey> * [unknown] (n=unknown@cp210686-b.roemd1.lb.home.nl): unknown
23:03 <spidey> * [unknown] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
23:03 <spidey> * [unknown] is identified to services
23:03 <spidey> * [unknown] End of WHOIS list.
23:03 <Vanhayes> sd
23:03 <spidey> lol
23:03 <Vanhayes> not me
23:03 <Sakireth> #notes $randomnick
23:03 <armabot> Sakireth: Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 6 days and 18 hours ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, and Sent just now: <Sakireth> eat crap
23:03 <spidey> some guy got your message from armabot
23:03 <Sakireth> lol
23:04 <Sakireth> #m spidey You're a naughty spider, aren't ya
23:04 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:04 <Sakireth> ?
23:04 <spidey> :|
23:04 <Sakireth> xD
23:04 <spidey> know what
23:04 <Sakireth> #m Nickserv drop
23:04 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:04 <spidey> i got something for you :)
23:04 <Sakireth> ..
23:04 <Sakireth> that's an exploit
23:04 <Sakireth> what?
23:04 <Sakireth> :O
23:05 <Sakireth> that's just sick..
23:05 <Sakireth> ... really
23:05 <Sakireth> if you could.. just do that to make it drop nickserv
23:05 <Sakireth> lol
23:05 <Sakireth> what have you got for me?
23:05 <Vanhayes> #whoami
23:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: I don't recognize you.
23:05 * Sakireth expects to be banned
23:05 <Sakireth> or kicked
23:05 <Sakireth> and i deserve it.
23:05 <Sakireth> for i am sleepy
23:05 <Sakireth> and angry
23:05 <Sakireth> and weird
23:05 <madmax|pt> ...
23:05 <Vanhayes> #whoami
23:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes
23:06 <Sakireth> at least this hour.
23:06 <spidey> :)
23:06 <spidey> check you messages
23:06 <spidey> lol
23:06 <spidey> ......
23:06 <Sakireth> #register Sakireth memoriesunknown
23:06 <Vanhayes> #notes
23:06 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
23:06 * spidey goes to tron
23:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, Nickserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
23:06 <Sakireth> #notes Sakireth
23:06 <armabot> Sakireth: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
23:06 <Vanhayes> #seen unknown
23:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: I have not seen unknown.
23:06 <joda_bot> #notes
23:06 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, Nickserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
23:06 <Sakireth> #m nickserv register memoriesunknown
23:06 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:06 <joda_bot> #notes
23:06 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, GodTodd, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, nemo*, Nickserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
23:07 <Sakireth> #m nickserv help
23:07 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:07 <Vanhayes> #notes nickserv
23:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sent 2 minutes ago: <Sakireth> drop, Sent just now: <Sakireth> register memoriesunknown, and Sent just now: <Sakireth> help
23:07 <joda_bot> #notes ar*
23:07 <armabot> joda_bot: Sent just now: <joda_bot> test and Sent just now: <joda_bot> #m joda* test
23:07 <Sakireth> #m nickserv /quit
23:07 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:07 <Vanhayes> #notes nickserv
23:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sent 2 minutes ago: <Sakireth> drop, Sent just now: <Sakireth> register memoriesunknown, Sent just now: <Sakireth> help, and Sent just now: <Sakireth> /quit
23:07 <Vanhayes> heh
23:07 <Sakireth> heh.
23:07 <Sakireth> #m operserv shutdown
23:07 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:07 <Vanhayes> #dotdotdot
23:07 <Sakireth> Nah
23:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:08:00] <Vanhayes> heh, [16:06:43] <spidey> lol, [16:06:19] <madmax|pt> ..., [16:05:41] <Sakireth> lol, [16:04:26] <Sakireth> lol, [16:04:07] <spidey> lol, [16:03:32] <Vanhayes> lol, [16:03:29] <spidey> O_o, [16:03:05] <spidey> O_o, [16:02:59] <spidey> yay, [16:02:12] <Sakireth> ..., [15:55:50] <Vanhayes> hmm, [15:47:38] <Luke-Jr> ..., [15:44:55] <spidey> O_o, [15:41:19] <spidey> heh, (24 more messages)
23:07 <Sakireth> i'm not that mean xD
23:08 <Sakireth> .... wtf
23:08 <joda_bot> don't fool around too much ;)
23:08 <Sakireth> okay :P
23:08 <joda_bot> and delete the messages afterwards ;)
23:08 <Sakireth> #m Sakireth you are a fool.
23:08 <armabot> Sakireth: The operation succeeded.
23:08 <Sakireth> ho?
23:08 <Sakireth> how*
23:08 <spidey> omg
23:08 <spidey> i have 2 fps in tron
23:08 <spidey> omg
23:08 <spidey> i really broke something
23:08 <spidey> O_o
23:08 <Sakireth> that is the phattest thing ever known! :3
23:08 <madmax|pt> well it wasnt your keyboard
23:08 <Sakireth> on a commodore 64 that's really rare! :3
23:09 <spidey> O_o
23:09 * spidey see what packages he fucked up
23:09 <spidey> i bet it's from when i updated all the X packages
23:09 <spidey> brb
23:09 <Sakireth> ... y'know what
23:10 <Sakireth> i accidently screwed up freewebs's chat program.
23:10 <Sakireth> AKA found an exploit
23:10 <Sakireth> [size=-10]
23:10 <Sakireth> [size=-10]Text
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23:10 * spidey is updating 586 packages
23:11 <spidey> i forgot last time i went to update i accidently killed synaptic
23:11 <spidey> so that might be why my fps = 2 O_o
23:11 <wrtlprnft> what does glxinfo say?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> direct rendering: Yes
23:12 <spidey> spidey@3[~]$ glxinfo
23:12 <spidey> bash: glxinfo: command not found
23:12 <wrtlprnft> creat
23:12 <wrtlprnft> *great
23:12 <spidey> ?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> missing th mose basic opengl tools :S
23:12 <spidey> O_o
23:12 <spidey> i'm finishing the update
23:12 <spidey> so maybe that'll fix it
23:12 <spidey> 586 packages :/
23:13 <spidey> 14 minutes left
23:13 <spidey> lol
23:15 <wrtlprnft> you have 586 packages installed?
23:15 <spidey> more
23:15 <spidey> 16 wasn't updated
23:16 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
23:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: a v y n s a e h
23:16 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
23:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: h a a n s v e y
23:16 <Sakireth> armabot: # reverse vanhayes
23:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches? || A: A nervous wreck.
23:16 <Vanhayes> lol
23:16 <Sakireth> #reverse vanhayes
23:16 <Vanhayes> wow
23:16 <Vanhayes> #
23:16 <Sakireth> #shuffle vanhayes
23:16 <armabot> Sakireth: vanhayes
23:16 <Sakireth> heh
23:16 <Vanhayes> # reverse
23:16 <Sakireth> armabot: # reverse
23:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: Thus spake the master programmer: || "Without the wind, the grass does not move. Without software, || hardware is useless." || -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"
23:16 <Sakireth> armabot: #
23:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: New York now leads the world's great cities in the number of people around || whom you shouldn't make a sudden move. || t -- David Letterman
23:16 <spidey> #shuffle s u p e r c a l a f r a g a l i s t i c s e x p e a l a d o s e s z o m g w t f h a x p l z k t h n x b b q
23:17 <armabot> spidey: s z b e e l f p s a x p o t n x i a w a t k a h i x a g q l a o s m e d f a c h g e z s l t p b c r u l s r
23:17 <Sakireth> armabot:
23:17 <Sakireth> armabot: f
23:17 <armabot> Random Fortune: On a normal ascii line, the only safe condition to detect is a 'BREAK' || - everything else having been assigned functions by Gnu EMACS. || -- Tarl Neustaedter
23:17 <Sakireth> aha.
23:17 <Vanhayes> #r
23:18 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 674 packages here
23:19 <spidey> heh
23:19 <spidey> most of mine are garbage
23:19 <spidey> but oh well
23:19 <spidey> i was playing with synaptic earlier
23:19 <spidey> lol
23:19 <wrtlprnft> well, that includes lots of development packages
23:20 * spidey notes to self "before downloading something and then trying to find proper libraries and headers to check synaptic first
23:20 <spidey> i went through all that shi
23:20 <spidey> shit
23:20 <spidey> and they have a blackbox package in the repository
23:20 <Sakireth> guy
23:20 <Sakireth> s
23:20 <Sakireth> can you do me a favor?
23:20 <spidey> ?
23:21 <Sakireth> can you check here: http://www.freewebs.com/fwdiscuss/chat.htm and tell me if it's broke on your screen?
--- Log closed Thu Jul 06 23:21:24 2006
--- Log opened Thu Jul 06 23:22:25 2006
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23:22 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 19 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
23:22 <Sakireth> joda_bot: Used to work here.
23:22 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 11 secs
23:22 <Sakireth> joda_bot: until i typed a piece of bbcode.
23:22 <joda_bot> ah, just thought because of the gray window ;)
23:23 <joda_bot> no the chat thing does not work for me with firefox
23:23 <Sakireth> HEH
23:23 <Sakireth> GOOD.
23:23 <Sakireth> so..
23:23 <Sakireth> i really DID broke it..
23:23 <Sakireth> i didn't want to though
23:23 <Sakireth> i did it accidently..
23:23 <Sakireth> [size=-10]Text
23:23 <Sakireth> is supposed to make fonts small... but..
23:23 <Sakireth> it can be used as an exploit, apperently
23:24 <joda_bot> Sakireth: it might be working because I do not have a login
23:24 <joda_bot> Sakireth: is the "chat" window gray if after "loading..." ?
23:25 <Sakireth> yes
23:26 <joda_bot> wah, just talking german gibberish english
23:26 <joda_bot> really going to bed now ;)
23:26 <joda_bot> #night
23:26 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
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23:32 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:32 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:37 <spidey> brb in about 20 minutes
23:37 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:39 <Sakireth> http://www.freewebs.com/sakireth/
23:39 <Sakireth> demo of a working one
Log from 2006-07-07:
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00:11 <spidey> that was a fast format :>
00:11 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:12 <spidey> 17:11:32 up 3 min, 1 user, load average: 1.67, 0.77, 0.31
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00:16 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ....
00:16 <Luke-Jr> why not
00:16 <spidey> why not what
00:16 <Luke-Jr> spidey: move your site? =p
00:17 <spidey> cause i don't feel like transfering the mysql
00:17 <Luke-Jr> is the whole site in SQL?
00:17 <spidey> yes
00:17 <spidey> they're forums
00:17 <Luke-Jr> oh
00:17 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:18 <Luke-Jr> not phpBB2?
00:18 <spidey> so without the DB i'll have to start over
00:18 <spidey> yea phpbb2
00:18 * Luke-Jr wonders if phpBB2 works with PHP5 yet
00:19 <spidey> how do you update the locate db ?
00:19 <Luke-Jr> updatedb
00:20 <spidey> lol
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00:23 <spidey> if i'm not back in 2 minutes i made a typo in xorg.conf
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00:28 * spidey makes it a note to remove the floppy drive next time he takes the case apart
00:28 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:28 <Luke-Jr> spidey: so you're not going to change website host?
00:28 <spidey> that icon saying the floppy drive can't be mounted is annoying
00:28 <Luke-Jr> why not setup the floppy drive? =p
00:28 <spidey> atleast not right now,i'm not
00:28 <spidey> i tried
00:28 <spidey> it won't mount
00:28 <Luke-Jr> you added it to fstab?
00:28 <spidey> mount: can't find /dev/fd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
00:30 <Luke-Jr> answer: no
00:30 <spidey> [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
00:30 <spidey> mount: only root can mount /dev/fd0 on
00:30 <spidey> :/
00:31 <Luke-Jr> under options put 'user'
00:32 <Luke-Jr> nope, phpBB2 doesn't support PHP5 yet
00:32 * Luke-Jr needs to find another forum system anyway, since phpBB sucks for spam
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00:39 <spidey> bah
00:40 <spidey> i just unchecked "show unmounted floppy" in >configure desktop > behaviour > device icons
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00:49 <Vanhayes> hmm this IRC client gives me weird lagg
00:49 <Vanhayes> on tron
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00:50 <madmax|pt> which one?
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00:51 <Vanhayes_> hmm
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00:56 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]~$
00:56 <spidey> lol
00:59 <Vanhayes> spidey or wrtlprnft or anyone that knows what does Micro Bus City mena, I never really thought about it before
01:00 <spidey> um
01:00 <spidey> micro = admin
01:00 <spidey> micro = bus driver
01:00 <spidey> hence microbus city
01:00 <Vanhayes> what language does micro mean admin?
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01:02 <Vanhayes> hello wattle
01:03 <ghableska> :P
01:04 <Vanhayes> time for a new name again
01:04 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: s a e y v n a h
01:04 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: n h a s y a e v
01:04 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: v a e s a n h y
01:04 <ghableska> :P
01:04 <ghableska> I still like Haan Svey
01:05 <Vanhayes> ya Im gonna remember that one
01:05 <Vanhayes> sounds like a somewhat real name
01:05 <ghableska> yeah
01:06 <ghableska> #google Haan Svey
01:06 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.24 seconds: Constraints to Rice Production Systems in Laos: <http://www.aciar.gov.au/web.nsf/att/JFRN-6BN94N/$file/pr101chapter01.pdf>
01:06 <Vanhayes> heh
01:06 <ghableska> o_O
01:06 <spidey> Vanhayes, micro doesn't mean admin
01:06 <ghableska> #google Svey
01:06 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.16 seconds: Joe Cook - My Goal is to Built 20 Diamonds in Cambodia: Baseball ...: <http://kbaseball.spaces.msn.com/Blog/cns!1p5OyG8nPsVDSiFTV2ELm_rw!655.entry>; My Local Bands: <http://www.mylocalbands.com/profile.asp?id=86781>; Curse Gaming Forums - View Profile: svey: <http://forums.curse-gaming.com/member.php?u=106270>; Appropriate Intervention for the Reduction (3 more messages)
01:07 <Luke-Jr> wow
01:07 <Luke-Jr> someone's giving away a server o.o
01:07 <spidey> ?
01:07 <ghableska> 0.o
01:09 <Vanhayes> spidey o ya miceo is the name of the admin
01:09 <Vanhayes> micro*
01:09 <spidey> ...
01:09 <spidey> der
01:09 <spidey> and he's canadian,so that explains alot ;)
01:10 <Vanhayes> yes it explains why he is admin and you, an american, arent :)
01:11 <ghableska> oo
01:11 <spidey> LOL
01:12 * ghableska sucks
01:12 * spidey wonders if i can edit the webservers /etc/profile
01:12 <Vanhayes> ghableska: but does Wattle suck?
01:12 * spidey knows ghableska sucks
01:12 <ghableska> lolol
01:12 <ghableska> Wattle sucks even more than ghableska does ;)
01:13 <Vanhayes> lol
01:13 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: n s a y h v a e
01:13 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: s n v e a a h y
01:13 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: s h a v n y e a
01:13 <Vanhayes> heh
01:13 <spidey> #shuffle r e t a r d e d g h a b l e s k a
01:13 <spidey> O_o
01:13 <armabot> spidey: k e l r a e t a b h e s r g d a d
01:13 <ghableska> oo
01:13 <ghableska> fun to pronounce :)
01:13 <spidey> LOL
01:14 <Vanhayes> heh Shave Yan
01:18 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: n a e v h y s a
01:18 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s
01:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: h a e s a y n v
01:18 <Vanhayes> #shuffle v a n h a y e s a l i a s
01:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: s v a i l a y h e a s a n
01:19 <ghableska> poor Durka
01:19 <spidey> only
01:19 <spidey> 06lol
01:19 <spidey> O_o
01:19 <spidey> O6l
01:19 <spidey> mmm
01:19 <Vanhayes> heh durka switched his name to Vanhayes heh
01:20 <spidey> only idiots right in all the time!
01:20 <spidey> O_o
01:20 <spidey> ohh
01:20 <spidey> only idiots right in color all the time!
01:20 <Vanhayes> in in in in in in in in in
01:20 <ghableska> it happened instantaniously that time
01:21 <Vanhayes> ya Z-man changed it
01:21 <spidey> changed what?
01:21 <Vanhayes> now if your banned it instantly kicks you
01:21 <spidey> ...
01:22 <ghableska> Durka changed his name to Vanhayes, and got kicked :)
01:22 <spidey> usually when i get kicked it's for a retarded reason
01:22 <ghableska> like for killing doublegrinders? ;)
01:22 <Vanhayes> heh only the bad ones get killed
01:22 <spidey> like for killing doublegrinders that don't grind deep enough
01:23 <spidey> i always grind at 3.0 unless i'm next to center,then i hit 4.5+
01:23 <Vanhayes> thats what i said heh
01:23 <spidey> if people can't beat a 3.0 grind on a doublebind
01:23 <spidey> they shouldn't do it
01:24 <Vanhayes> s v a i l a y h e a s a n
01:25 * spidey is installing tron
01:26 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s p i d e y | m b c
01:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: c | i e m s b y p d
01:26 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s p i d e y | m b c
01:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: i e | m s c d b y p
01:26 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s p i d e y | m b c
01:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: m p b s c y i d e |
01:26 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s p i d e y | m b c
01:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: y p m | b c s i e d
01:27 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s p i d e y | m b c
01:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: b m s | p y c e i d
01:29 <Vanhayes> ghableska where did Wuttle come from again?
01:30 <ghableska> I forgot :-/
01:30 <Vanhayes> #shuffle r a n d o m n a m e
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: o d m a m n n e r a
01:30 <Vanhayes> lol
01:30 <Vanhayes> #shuffle w u t t l e
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: w l t u e t
01:30 <Vanhayes> #shuffle w u t t l e
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: t u t e w l
01:30 <Vanhayes> #shuffle w u t t l e
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: e t w u l t
01:30 <Vanhayes> #shuffle w u t t l e
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: u e l w t t
01:30 <ghableska> ah, found it
01:31 <ghableska> ghableska: that takes more time to say it than to write it
01:31 <ghableska> Vanhayes: lol
01:31 <ghableska> McSpiddles: #shuffle s u p e r c a l a f r a g a l i s t i c e x p e a l a d o s e s z o m g w t f p w n
01:31 <ghableska> armabot: McSpiddles: w s g i a e o o l f m l f n s p a s a z a e i e g r p c c a x p a r d s w u t t l e
01:31 <ghableska> ghableska: I like the end, actually
01:31 <madmax|pt> this happens everyday now?
01:31 <ghableska> ghableska: "wuttle"
01:31 <madmax|pt> lol
01:31 <Vanhayes> heh
01:31 <Vanhayes> I remember that now
01:31 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt what happens everyday?
01:31 <ghableska> yeah ;)
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle r a n d o m n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: a o a m n e d r m n
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle r a n d o m n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: m m a d e r n o a n
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: a e n m
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: n m a e
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: n m a e
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle n a m e
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: e a n m
01:32 <Vanhayes> #shuffle n a m e
01:32 <ghableska> the shuffling?
01:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: a m e n
01:32 <Vanhayes> heh ya probly
01:35 <Vanhayes> it is easier than thinking up new names
01:35 <ghableska> yeah
01:36 <madmax|pt> Vanhayes, shuffling happens everyday
01:36 <Vanhayes> ?
01:37 <madmax|pt> argh
01:37 <ghableska> ?
01:37 <madmax|pt> #shuffle p u t t h i n g h e r e
01:37 <armabot> madmax|pt: i e h t h e n u r p g t
01:37 <madmax|pt> THIS
01:37 <madmax|pt> lol
01:38 <ghableska> #shuffle s h u f f l e
01:38 <Vanhayes> I dont get it..
01:38 <armabot> ghableska: h s f l f u e
01:38 <Vanhayes> heh jk
01:38 <Vanhayes> #shuffle b l a z e
01:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: b z e l a
01:39 <ghableska> zebla
01:39 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f a k e n a m e
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: a e n e a m k f
01:40 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f a k e n a m e
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: a e m f e k a n
01:40 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f a k e n a m e
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: e a k e a f m n
01:40 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f a k e n a m e
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: e k n a a m f e
01:40 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f a k e n a m e
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: e e k a m a f n
01:40 <ghableska> eekfaman
01:40 <Vanhayes> meh im just going with THE the
01:41 <ghableska> that's an old one, isn't it?
01:41 <Vanhayes> yup, i forgot about it untill right now
01:41 <ghableska> what was the other one? Ra?
01:42 <Vanhayes> ya that one is pretty new tho
01:54 * ghableska hates double grinders now
01:54 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: C S B * L | T ~ P M C * ~ S
01:54 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: S ~ L * M C S T B | P C * ~
01:54 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: B * * S C P T L S ~ ~ | M C
01:54 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~ B * T * S L C | C P ~ S M
01:55 * Vanhayes hates Doublegrinders that dont know how to Double grind
01:55 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: B * P M C S * ~ C T ~ | L S
01:55 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: P S T C S ~ B ~ | C L * M *
01:55 * Vanhayes hates Doublegrinders that dont know how to Double grind
01:55 <Vanhayes> er
01:55 <Vanhayes> #shuffle C T S L | M B C ~ * S P * ~
01:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: C ~ P S M | T C S B * * L ~
01:56 <Vanhayes> #shuffle CT SL |MBC ~*SP*~
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*SP*~ |MBC CT SL
01:57 <Vanhayes> hmm no vowels in there
02:22 <ghableska> it's kind of sad how noobs get kicked for stupid reasons :(
02:25 <Vanhayes> heh wuttle is noob
02:25 <Vanhayes> ghab isnt tho so he doesnt get kicke
02:26 <ghableska> I would've gotten kicked if you didn't tell them who I was ;)
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02:43 <Vanhayes> what is descriptor id 240 and why would I have to upgrade Armagetron beacause of it
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03:41 <spidey> http://www.sp-clan.com/
03:42 <spidey> lol
03:42 <spidey> sp = shit
03:42 <spidey> i wanted to flame some people :/
03:46 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=71361&sid=dff74878ccea42e789c61019b65de291#71361
03:46 <Vanhayes> what the hell is the point of that?
03:48 <spidey> LOL
03:48 <spidey> ask him what answer?
04:02 * spidey won KBattleship in 35 shots
04:03 <spidey> and only received 1 sunken ship
04:03 <spidey> xD
04:10 * spidey owns at tuxkart
04:10 <spidey> lol
04:11 <Vanhayes> what is tuxcart
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04:12 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
04:12 <ghableska> ty Vanhayes
04:12 <ghableska> keyboard working again :)
04:12 <Vanhayes> lol, did you put a wire on it?
04:13 <ghableska> no, but it just started working (for no reason)
04:17 <spidey> hahahaha
04:17 <ghableska> o.0
04:17 <spidey> planetpenguin racer is awesome
04:17 <ghableska> ?
04:17 * spidey is playing kde game
04:17 <spidey> games*
04:17 <ghableska> what is it?
04:17 <spidey> you control a giant ass penguin
04:17 <spidey> and you have to capture these fish
04:17 <ghableska> o.0
04:18 <spidey> going down a hill really fast
04:18 <spidey> then there's tuxcart
04:18 <ghableska> fun...
04:18 <spidey> which is mario cart only with tux
04:18 <spidey> then i won 5 outta 6 rounds of battleship
04:18 <ghableska> is it better?
04:18 <ghableska> wd :P
04:18 * spidey goes to play k-tetris
04:21 * ghableska ppppppppppppppppppppppppp
04:21 <ghableska> noo
04:21 <ghableska> :(
04:23 <spidey> omg
04:23 <spidey> i made it to level 4 and that shit was moving to fast for me to keep up
04:23 <spidey> O_o
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04:24 <Vanhayes> wb again ghableska
04:26 * ghableska rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreminds sellllllllllllllllllllllffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffnot to press escape
04:26 <ghableska> grr
04:26 <Luke-Jr> ...
04:27 * ghableska asks for a new keyboarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd
04:31 <Luke-Jr> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
04:31 <Luke-Jr> how about suggesting server?
04:36 <ghableska> yay, keyboard working again :D
04:43 <spidey> O_o
04:44 <ghableska> :P
04:52 <spidey> mmmm
04:52 * spidey has been thinking about something all day and now my head hurts O_O
04:53 * ghableska gives spidey a Tylenol.
04:54 <spidey> 3 please
04:54 <spidey> of the 600mg ones
04:55 * spidey wants to install blackbox again but is scared he might break something else
04:55 <spidey> O_o
04:55 * ghableska watches spidey get knocked out
04:56 <spidey> 3 600mg tylenols wouldn't do anything to me
04:56 <spidey> i used to take them all the time because before we found out my blood pressure was high
04:56 <spidey> i used to always have bad headaches
04:56 <ghableska> :(
04:56 <spidey> so i can withstand a high amount of tehm
04:56 <spidey> them
04:57 <ghableska> Aspirin?
04:57 <spidey> ibeprofene
04:58 <spidey> or however it's spelled
04:58 <spidey> got a bottle of 300mgs downstairs
04:58 <spidey> when i get unlazy i'll go take one or two
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with luci
05:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [14:13:35] <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: the point of the thread was to get release people to ensure the release only contains official resources and to either remove others or add them to the repository
05:24 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: I've always wondered- what are Breakfast servers?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> clones of eggcozy's server
05:24 <ghableska> why were they named 'Breakfast?"
05:24 <spidey> lol
05:25 <spidey> breakfast in hell
05:25 <spidey> i think i got kicked from there a long time ago
05:25 <spidey> O_o
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> because eggcozy always named his server Breakfast of something or other
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> First time I saw it it was Breakfast Burrito
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> later it was Breakfast of CHampions
05:25 <spidey> LOL
05:25 <ghableska> heh
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> servers derived from his server were tagged Breakfast for awhile
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's Swampland and whatever name I've used for my server
05:26 <ghableska> oh
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> then awhile back eggcozy made a little noise about what he considers "breakfast" to be, so me and swampy picked a new name to put in place of "breakfast"
05:28 <ghableska> what kind of settings did eggcozy have?
05:28 <spidey> yay!
05:29 * spidey can't find abuse
05:29 <spidey> O_o
05:29 * Vanhayes abuses spidey
05:29 <Vanhayes> there
05:29 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[~]$ abuse
05:29 <spidey> Disabling memory manager, using libc instead
05:29 <spidey> Abuse-SDL 0.7.0
05:29 <spidey> Abuse (Version 2.00)
05:29 <spidey> Sound : Disabled (couldn't find the sfx directory)
05:29 <spidey> Segmentation fault
05:29 <spidey> _Oo
05:29 <spidey> O_o
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> swampland is very similar to eggcozy's last server
05:31 <ghableska> oh
05:31 * spidey can't play on swampland
05:31 <spidey> :/
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> but it ran an older version, rubber behaved differently
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-man's fortress is a lot closer to how eggcozy's server played :)
05:31 <spidey> i get all laggy on swampland when i go to kill someone
05:32 <ghableska> actually, I don't think I've ever played on swampland before o.0
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> lag is part of the game there. :)
05:32 * ghableska goes off to Swampland :D
05:32 * spidey follows
05:32 <spidey> in a minute
05:32 <spidey> i want icecream
05:37 <ghableska> hmm, seems a bit like Shrunkland with more wall accel
05:44 <ghableska> I'm off to bed, cya
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06:06 <spidey> lol
06:06 <spidey> i just got called a "haxxor" in xzl
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09:47 <wrtlprnft> #later tell van* micro is the name of the admin, or sometimes boosh, depends on his mood.
09:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:50 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Burns: I can't understand a word you're saying. || Homer: My name is Homer Simpson! || Burns: You're just babbling incoherently... || Homer: Oh, you're a dead man, Burns. Oh, you're dead! You're dead, || Burns! || Who Shot Mr. Burns (Part 1)
10:56 <Sakireth> #
10:56 <Sakireth> armabot: #
10:56 <armabot> Random Fortune: Well let's call them, uh, Mr. X and Mrs. Y. So anyway, Mr. X would || say, `Marge, if this doesn't get your motor running, my name isn't || Homer J. Simpson.' || -- Homer Simpson || Secrets of a Successful Marriage
10:57 <Sakireth> #chuck
10:57 <Sakireth> #chuck
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13:44 <Brooky> Hi all
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14:03 <madmax|pt> hello
14:09 <joda_bot> hi Brooky
14:09 <joda_bot> hi madmax|pt
14:16 <Brooky> hi max
14:25 <spidey> it costs more than a penny to make a penny O_o
14:27 <Brooky> why does it?
14:27 <spidey> metal prices are high o__O
14:27 <Brooky> Oh
14:27 <Brooky> i get you
14:27 <Brooky> but it doesnt cost ?50 to make the note
14:28 <spidey> ?
14:28 <Brooky> it doesn't cost 50 pound to make a ?50 note
14:32 <Brooky> i was just thinking
14:32 <Brooky> how does the money get into the system
14:32 <Brooky> when it is made at the mint
14:32 <Brooky> where does it go?
14:32 <Brooky> and...
14:33 <Brooky> who distributes it?
14:33 <spidey> banks....
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aliens
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you knew
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> know
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> elvis is not dead
14:34 <spidey> is too
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> he's just gone home
14:34 <spidey> i saw his ghost!
14:35 <spidey> O_o]
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i saw him alive...
14:35 * spidey isn't that old
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nor am i
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 18
14:35 <spidey> then,tv doesn't count :p
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i saw him standing in front of me
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> he is not dead
14:36 * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar around a bit with a large cow
14:36 * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps spidey with windows me
14:36 * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar around a bit with a large cow
14:37 <spidey> better
14:37 <spidey> maybe a dead skunk
14:37 <spidey> O_o
14:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
14:38 <spidey> lahhl
14:41 <Brooky> ok
14:42 <Brooky> does anyone have any wml/wap exp?
15:21 <guru3> i've got like 12 torrents running
15:21 <guru3> so why the hell
15:21 <guru3> are people still playing on my tron servers
15:25 <Luke-Jr> Brooky: because a penny is worth its value in copper
15:25 <Luke-Jr> and it cost money to mold metal
15:25 <Luke-Jr> unlike a quarter, which is only worth slightly more than a penny
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16:15 <Brooky> Ok
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16:50 <cusco> dudes
16:50 <cusco> how can I crazy tronners server?
16:50 <cusco> to test it alone!
17:02 <Brooky> do you own it?
17:06 <Brooky> if so just type this in your console
17:06 <Brooky> TALK_TO_MASTER 0
17:08 <cusco> no I don't!
17:08 <cusco> I just would like to clone it!
17:08 <cusco> :P
17:09 <cusco> I never had a server by the way
17:09 <cusco> its just hey have several maps
17:09 <cusco> and I would lik to practice some!
17:15 <Brooky> why do you want to clone it?
17:15 <cusco> I just said
17:15 <cusco> I would like to practice some maps with a team mate,
17:15 <cusco> only us
17:15 <Brooky> you cant really
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17:16 <Brooky> hi
17:16 <cusco> so all this talk
17:16 <cusco> to say I can't?
17:16 <ghableska> hi
17:16 <cusco> hi ghableska
17:16 <ghableska> hi cusco
17:16 <Brooky> you cant just steal someone elses server settings
17:16 <cusco> Brooky: why not?!
17:16 <Brooky> if you find out who owns the server
17:17 <Brooky> they might give you the list with them all on
17:17 <Brooky> but......
17:17 <Brooky> my guess is that they wont
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17:18 <Brooky> Wb
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ty
17:18 <Brooky> why did you leave?
17:18 <ghableska> wb wejp
17:18 <ghableska> Er
17:18 <ghableska> wrtlprnft
17:18 <ghableska> :P
17:18 <wrtlprnft> irssi wanted to connect to charset=UTF-8 every five minutes
17:18 <Brooky> Ok lol
17:18 <cusco> hehe
17:18 <wrtlprnft> and i didn't know how to stop it from doing that
17:18 <cusco> wrtlprnft: /rmrecons
17:19 <cusco> 7say /rmreconns
17:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
17:19 <cusco> ops
17:19 <cusco> :P
17:19 <Brooky> neither do i because i dont use it
17:19 <cusco> wrtlprnft: were you reading me?
17:19 <cusco> can I clone CT's server
17:19 <cusco> to play some maps on my own?
17:19 <wrtlprnft> i typed /se<tab> charset=UTF-8
17:19 <Brooky> i just said
17:19 <Brooky> no
17:19 <wrtlprnft> uh, you can, sure
17:20 <wrtlprnft> all the maps are on the repository
17:20 <cusco> yes
17:20 <wrtlprnft> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/ed/fortress/
17:20 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: no
17:20 <cusco> but how can I play them?
17:20 <cusco> I mean
17:20 <Brooky> what he means is
17:20 <cusco> I have never set a server before
17:20 <Brooky> he wants to clone the sever settongs
17:20 <Brooky> settings*
17:20 <Brooky> but play his own maps
17:21 <Brooky> with friends
17:21 <cusco> I want to try some particular maps
17:21 <cusco> no
17:21 <wrtlprnft> I can tell you how to do it, but I can't speak for ed in the sense of allowing it
17:21 <cusco> lol
17:21 <cusco> ok Im gonna speak with him first
17:21 <cusco> thanks dude
17:21 <wrtlprnft> yw
17:21 <cusco> but but
17:21 <cusco> how about if I wanna play one of those maps.. just one
17:21 <cusco> on my computer
17:21 <cusco> so I try it
17:21 <cusco> can I?
17:22 <Brooky> map file
17:22 <Brooky> then the map of the repository
17:22 <Brooky> ok?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> you take the url, but without the http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/
17:24 <wrtlprnft> so MAP_FILE <theresultofabove>
17:24 <wrtlprnft> CRazy Tronners Wild Fortress. How do you do it?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> oops
17:24 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5731
17:27 <cusco> cheers
17:29 <Brooky> ed says "If anyone wants a copy of my config files, just ask"
17:29 <Brooky> so just ask him
17:31 <cusco> Brooky: I got your opinion already. thanks
17:31 <Brooky> o...k...
17:31 <Brooky> only saying
17:31 <cusco> how about setting up a server..
17:31 <cusco> it wants to install alsa libs
17:31 <cusco> :/
17:32 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:32 <wrtlprnft> --disable-glout, right?
17:32 <cusco> on ./configure?
17:32 <cusco> lol
17:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:32 <cusco> kk
17:32 <wrtlprnft> or else you're building the client
17:32 <cusco> right..
17:32 <cusco> thanks :P
17:37 <Brooky> so...
17:37 <Brooky> what is the source download all about on the download list?
17:38 <cusco> source code
17:38 <Brooky> what do you do with it though
17:39 <cusco> compile it
17:39 <Brooky> how?
17:39 <cusco> to produce the binaire wxecutable file
17:39 <cusco> with a compiler
17:39 <Brooky> how do i do that then?
17:40 <cusco> use a compiler
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17:58 * ghableska likes his new nick
17:58 <madmax|pt> which is?
17:58 <madmax|pt> wuttle?
17:58 <madmax|pt> lol
17:58 <ghableska> yeah ;)
17:59 <ghableska> #shuffle W u t t l e
17:59 <armabot> ghableska: e u W t l t
17:59 <ghableska> #shuffle W u t t l e
17:59 <armabot> ghableska: e l u t W t
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19:46 <guru3> is there a zautomatic as well?
20:07 <Vanhayes> Ha I just got it
20:29 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Tigers Network Speed Blast (13 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (9 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (7 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (7 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight (5 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic (1 more message)
20:29 <Vanhayes> #more
20:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Play (5 players) || ben rules (4 players) || [armagetronad.de] no.1 (3 players) || Bugfarm Sumo (2 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (2 players) || LumaTron (2 players)
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20:48 <Luke-Jr> cusco: copy the MAP_FILE setting and you're good to go
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21:17 <spidey> O_o
21:20 <madmax|pt> o_O
21:20 * spidey pokes madmax|pt
21:22 <Vanhayes> O_O
21:22 * spidey pokes Vanhayes
21:22 * Vanhayes loses it and smashes spidey in the head with a brick untill he is on the ground
21:22 <spidey> looooooool
21:23 * spidey hired big bubba to take Vanhayes out
21:23 <spidey> O_o
21:25 <Luke-Jr> anyone want to play on my test server with open admin pass?
21:25 * Vanhayes wonders how spidey knows big bubba
21:26 <Vanhayes> what is it testing?
21:28 <Luke-Jr> anything
21:29 <Luke-Jr> or will be
21:37 <Vanhayes> hmm maybe later I have to go deskunk my cat in a few minutes
21:38 <Luke-Jr> boo
21:39 <mkzelda> tomato sauce
21:40 <mkzelda> wash your cat in tomato sauce
21:41 <Vanhayes> tried that and now he smeels like 6 month old tomato juice
21:41 <Vanhayes> had to go buy some kind of special shamppo
21:44 <Vanhayes> ok time to shampoo
21:48 * madmax|pt kills spidey
21:48 <madmax|pt> ...and goes to have dinner
21:49 <madmax|pt> NOT spidey though
21:49 <madmax|pt> lol
21:55 <Luke-Jr> lame
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22:01 <Vanhayes> hello wrtlprnft_
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22:51 <spidey> yay
22:52 <Vanhayes> yay for what?
22:52 <spidey> won the xzl dogfight match O_o
22:52 <Vanhayes> congrats
22:53 <spidey> not over yet
22:53 <spidey> still got one sunday O_o
22:53 <spidey> which i won't have a teammate on :(
23:11 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr what happened to your server?
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23:19 <spidey> lol
23:19 <spidey> that should answer it
23:19 <spidey> O-o
23:19 <Vanhayes> come to his server
23:19 <Vanhayes> funny
23:21 <spidey> compiling a p2p client
23:21 <spidey> will in a bit
23:21 <spidey> brb
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23:24 <spidey> weird
23:24 <spidey> blackbox with a kde menu
23:24 <spidey> O_o
23:25 <spidey> i saw that
23:31 <spidey> O_o
23:31 <spidey> omg
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:47 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Backtrace:
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:47 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:47 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'artsd', page c12c3fe0)
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:48 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: flags:0x80000414 mapping:00000000 mapcount:0 count:0
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:48 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Backtrace:
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:48 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed
23:31 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Fri Jul 7 17:27:49 2006 ...
23:31 <spidey> localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed
23:31 <spidey> that's scrolling
23:31 <spidey> O_o
23:31 <spidey> brb
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23:31 <spidey> irssi the sux :p
23:31 <Vanhayes> wb spidey
23:32 <spidey> ty
23:32 <Vanhayes> fix the problem?
23:32 <spidey> guess so
23:32 <Vanhayes> was there a problem?
23:32 <spidey> now i gotta mess with blackbox
23:32 <spidey> heh
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23:36 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: is this fancy lag correction stuff in the trunk?
23:37 <z-man> yes, I merged it
23:37 <z-man> something is not completely right yet, thouf
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool. rebuilding my server right now :)
23:37 <z-man> though
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> did you hook it up to libftlnet?
23:38 <spidey> appearently something fucks up when i try to update the db O_o
23:38 <z-man> Lag compensation makes timesteps backward, and that does not mix well with rubber
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm.....
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I can see there being a collision there (no pun intended)
23:42 <z-man> Lag isn't eliminated, of course :) It's just distributed differently.
23:42 <z-man> A lag slide is supposed to be transformed into lag jumps for the other players.
23:43 <z-man> The server takes notes and does not allow too much abuse, of course.
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm certainly not expecting a fix for lag without libftlnet, I just figured if you were actively working on lag compensation, the least I could do is update my laggy server :)
23:53 <mkzelda> woo, got my 160gb 16mb cache 10,000rpm sata drives
23:55 <mkzelda> wish i could get boost to compile
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> it seems to be working fine for me
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> I just did emerge boost though :)
23:56 <mkzelda> it seg faults for me
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's doing boost-1.33.1
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> what gcc are you using?
23:57 <mkzelda> thats most certainly the prob
23:57 <mkzelda> 4.2.0 2006-06-30
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I'm using whatever gentoo's default gcc was a few months ago
23:57 <mkzelda> compiled fine w/ 4.1.1 on my server
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> is there a gcc update available? or a boost update you could unmask?
23:58 <mkzelda> there is only one version of boost in portage, i tried to find another version @ boost
23:58 <mkzelda> they dont seem to have anything but 1.33.1
23:58 <z-man> 4.2 already?
23:58 <z-man> gee, they're hard to keep up with
23:58 <mkzelda> im about to compile gcc-4.1.1
23:58 <mkzelda> on this, and recompile the wh ole system w/ it if needed
23:59 <mkzelda> just frustrating b/c i have ~400 packages compiled on this machine
23:59 <mkzelda> all 4.2.0
23:59 <mkzelda> all fine
23:59 <mkzelda> just boost
23:59 <spidey> mepis 3.4.3 = buggy as fuck
23:59 <mkzelda> heh
23:59 <mkzelda> and it thinks its completing
Log from 2006-07-08:
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00:00 * spidey watches Konsole spam messags from syslogd@localhost
00:00 <spidey> O_o
00:00 <mkzelda> [COMPILE] bin.linuxx86/bjam
00:00 <mkzelda> ...updated 2 targets...
00:00 <mkzelda> /usr/portage/dev-libs/boost/boost-1.33.1.ebuild: line 82: 16767 Segmentation fault ${BOOSTJAM} ${NUMJOBS} -sBOOST_ROOT="${S}" -sPYTHON_ROOT=/usr -sPYTHON_VERSION=${PYVER} -sTOOLS=${BOOST_TOOLSET} -sBUILD="${BUILD}" --prefix=${D}/usr --layout=system
00:01 * spidey looks for his ubuntu cd
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no such luck, Mepis is built on ubuntu, and the problem I had with it was caused by the underlying ubuntu
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> er, it might be built on Kubuntu, which is in turn yadayada
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I don't know.... Did you just try building a tarball from boost?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svnroot/dsbp/!svn/act/d26de5ff-0418-0410-8492-832cadcbcc72': 403 Forbidden (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
00:02 <spidey> but i didn't get all lots of errors and/or the os breaking everytime i updated the db or compiled something :)
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> now that's annoying
00:02 <mkzelda> im about to try that again
00:02 <spidey> on ubuntu that is
00:02 <spidey> which version did you have lucifer?
00:02 <spidey> above 5.10 ?
00:03 <mkzelda> what is boost?
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was trying to get dapper installed, and the mepis I fooled with was the rc built on dapper, and between dapper and mepis, I lost my partition table
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: a collection of relaly freaking useful c++ classes
00:03 <mkzelda> ah
00:03 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, mepis beta 6?
00:03 <spidey> that one is built on the ubuntu kernal
00:03 <mkzelda> anyone happen to know a good data recovery place??
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: it was the newest rc, whatever version that is :)
00:04 <mkzelda> that doesnt look too hard at the content?
00:04 <mkzelda> heh
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: the fbi?
00:04 <spidey> yea that's the beta 6
00:04 <mkzelda> i have a 160gb with confidential/classified material
00:04 <spidey> which is built on the ubuntu kernal.....but i'm using the "stable" build 3.4.3 which really isn't stable :p
00:04 <mkzelda> i neeeeed it back
00:04 <mkzelda> it has fbi material actually
00:05 <spidey> O_o
00:05 <mkzelda> which is why i need to find someone whos not going to look too hard
00:05 <mkzelda> just fix it
00:05 <mkzelda> it worked, i rebooted, and i've never been able to mount it again
00:05 <mkzelda> it spins up
00:05 <mkzelda> so its corrupted or something
00:05 <spidey> um
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00:06 <spidey> you just want the data recovered?
00:06 <mkzelda> yes
00:06 <spidey> linux?
00:06 <mkzelda> yes
00:06 <spidey> sec
00:06 <mkzelda> i believe the partitions are reiserfs 3.x
00:06 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?q=data+recovery+tools+for+linux&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
00:07 <mkzelda> its *that* drive that is important to you
00:07 <mkzelda> all my life's work, family photos etc, backup drive
00:07 <spidey> lol
00:08 <spidey> if it was windows or a ntfs drive,i could give you something that'd recover all the data
00:08 <mkzelda> freakin oracle killed it i believe
00:08 <spidey> but i haven't lost anything on a nix partition :p
00:08 <spidey> btw
00:08 <spidey> if you do find a data recovery program
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00:09 <spidey> it won't recover your data by origanol name
00:09 <spidey> it'll be something like file100012.whatever
00:09 <mkzelda> oh god
00:09 <spidey> then you'll have to rename everything
00:09 <mkzelda> theres about 20gb of images
00:09 <spidey> O_o
00:09 <mkzelda> that will be fun
00:09 <spidey> lol
00:10 <spidey> erm
00:10 <mkzelda> think ill dump it on an ntfs partition
00:10 <spidey> did you say the drive wouldn't mount ?
00:10 <mkzelda> after its recovered
00:10 <mkzelda> yea
00:10 <spidey> then how do you know all the data's gone?
00:10 <mkzelda> its not
00:10 <spidey> ....
00:10 <spidey> put the drive in another box
00:10 <mkzelda> ive done that
00:10 <mkzelda> table is corrupt or something
00:10 <spidey> O_o
00:10 <mkzelda> i really dont know
00:11 <mkzelda> ive fixed a number of drives that stop spinning
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00:11 <mkzelda> bought a comparable drive and took the board off it and put it on the dead one
00:11 <zmanuel> Grr, bouncy connection
00:11 <spidey> lol
00:11 <mkzelda> but thats not the case this time
00:11 <spidey> umm
00:11 <spidey> ok
00:11 <spidey> do you have a windows box?
00:12 <mkzelda> a couple yea
00:12 <spidey> put the drive in one of those
00:12 <spidey> format it
00:12 <spidey> get a recovery program
00:12 <spidey> and run it on it
00:12 <spidey> should recover everything
00:12 <mkzelda> thats an idea ill try if others fail
00:12 <spidey> btw
00:12 <spidey> you might want 2 hdd's
00:13 <spidey> because
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
00:13 <mkzelda> yea i just got 2 raptors
00:13 <spidey> as it recovers
00:13 <spidey> it rights to disk
00:13 <spidey> if it overwrights the data
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> register a new project on sourceforge and you're an admin, right? that makes you GOD of your project, right?
00:13 <spidey> you're fucked :p
00:13 <mkzelda> ok
00:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> but you still have to go in and flag write access to the svn repo
00:13 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, sourceforge is god of it
00:13 <spidey> they reserve the right to publish what they want
00:14 * spidey found a blank cd
00:14 <spidey> O_o
00:16 <spidey> i have a live ubuntu cd xD
00:17 <spidey> gah
00:18 <spidey> i lost one of my swat4 cd's
00:18 <spidey> found another mepis cd
00:18 * spidey burns it
00:18 <Luke-Jr> come play on my server =p
00:18 <spidey> can't
00:18 <spidey> looking for my ubuntu cd
00:18 <spidey> mepis = fucked
00:19 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:19 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: you're welcome to come play too
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> why, thank you, Luke-Jr. Umm, I'm a bit busy right this minute, though.
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00:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dsbp/
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> needs python and pyqt3, of course
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> and a lot of work, still doesn't support budgeting or deleting transactions/accounts, but I'm getting there :)
00:24 <Luke-Jr> pfft qt *3*
00:24 <Luke-Jr> =p
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00:25 <spidey> O_o
00:25 <spidey> i have 2 blank cd's
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00:26 <spidey> last cd,i hope this is the ubuntu one
00:26 <spidey> O_o
00:26 <spidey> of course it wouldn't be :)
00:26 <z-man> Nice title, luci
00:27 <Luke-Jr> z-man: you can come too :)
00:27 <Luke-Jr> password is admin
00:28 <z-man> I have to fix Bugfarm Fortress, sorry.
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00:28 <spidey> fix it?
00:28 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:28 <Luke-Jr> z-man: would it be simple to make an admin command to respawn someone?
00:29 <spidey> /admin kill ?
00:29 <z-man> not really, but possible.
00:29 <Luke-Jr> hm
00:29 <Vanhayes> spidey: yes that happens alot
00:29 <z-man> just look what REsPAWN_HACK does
00:29 <spidey> lol
00:30 <spidey> mm
00:30 <spidey> should i go with....raw debian....freebsd.... knoppix or slackware
00:30 <spidey> O_o
00:30 <Luke-Jr> z-man: does the client need to support respawning?
00:30 <z-man> No
00:31 <z-man> Not at all
00:31 <Luke-Jr> how can it handle when an invuln goes thru a wall?
00:31 <z-man> just the invulnerability blinking and delayed wall building needs that
00:31 <z-man> that's the bit it needs support for :)
00:31 <Luke-Jr> how do i disable spam kicks and clear bans? :)
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: thanks. :)
00:31 * Luke-Jr got banned for using radmin
00:31 <Luke-Jr> :(
00:31 <z-man> but just raising from the dead alone is no problem.
00:32 <Vanhayes> ya the kicking, killing, and changing the name of the server got annoying
00:32 <z-man> Luke-Jr: you need to disable the code for the regular kicks
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> you guys ran up a poll to kick him?
00:32 <Luke-Jr> :/
00:33 <Luke-Jr> no, they used the kick command
00:33 <z-man> Who needs a poll when everyone is admin?
00:33 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:33 * Lucifer_arma has been vote-kicked from his server for kicking people
00:33 <Vanhayes> i think it was xzl something or other
00:33 <Luke-Jr> actually, most of my kicks were from 'spam'
00:34 <z-man> There's a setting somewhere that controls the amount of text you need to push out before it is considered spam
00:34 <Luke-Jr> why are radmin considered spam?
00:36 <Luke-Jr> z-man: BTW, any idea why we dynamically load libnss_dns and libresolv?
00:36 <spidey> does tron support freebsd?
00:37 <Luke-Jr> spidey: not recently
00:37 <spidey> k,so that's out
00:37 <spidey> what about knoppix ?
00:37 <Luke-Jr> knoppix isn't an installable OS...
00:37 <spidey> 'rt
00:37 <spidey> what about slackware?
00:37 <Luke-Jr> nope
00:37 <Luke-Jr> note the source should work on any of those
00:37 <spidey> :/
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=171850
00:39 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: what happened to being anti-SF? =p
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> I still am, but feeling a bit lazy. I wanted to get this thing into svn, and didn't feel like dealing with my own svn server just yet
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'll move it later, more than likely.
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00:40 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: your balance is broken or smt
00:40 <Luke-Jr> smth*
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> how's that?
00:40 <Luke-Jr> it's blank
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> on the one showing all accounts?
00:40 <Luke-Jr> yea
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's because the balance on that view should be 0, it's double-entry
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> so it doesn't make sense
00:41 <spidey> tron support redhat?
00:41 <Luke-Jr> spidey: eww
00:41 <spidey> lol
00:41 <spidey> i guess raw debian it is
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> redhat is the king of sucky linux distributions
00:42 <mkzelda> well the question would be fedora
00:42 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't support multiple sources/destinations =p
00:42 <Luke-Jr> mkzelda: still eww
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> split transactions, you mean?
00:42 <mkzelda> and yes, still ew
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> your'e right, it doesn't---yet. :)
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> hell, I haven't even put out a 0.1.0 release yet, it's still in pre-alpha. :)
00:43 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:43 <Luke-Jr> so why Qt 3?
00:43 <mkzelda> could u imagine the level of n00b that would come if fedora included an rpm
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> because qt4 won't show my selected theme in kde
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> but I've built it so any kind of gui can be put together, I intend to work up a wxPython port sometime
00:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ... no?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put out my first windows release with wxPython, and it'll make some GNOME people happy they won't need qt to run it
00:44 <Luke-Jr> Qt4 seems to use my KDE stuff...
00:44 <Luke-Jr> not to mention Qt 4 would give you automatic Win support =p
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, it doesn't here. I started porting my alarm clock to qt4 and it used some default qt4 theme instead of the one I wanted
00:44 <Luke-Jr> unless you use SQL, which is likely
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, no sql.
00:44 <Luke-Jr> maybe Qt4's default theme is the same as my KDE theme
00:44 <Luke-Jr> no SQL? for a budget app? O.o
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh. Maybe. :)
00:45 <Luke-Jr> I use Plastik
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, no sql. The thing needs to be self-contained, and I didn't want to deal with python's database interface just yet.
00:45 <Luke-Jr> I used Qt4/Sqlite for SD's program
00:45 <Luke-Jr> oh... Python
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> but what it doesn't do is te stupid thing both KMyMoney and GnuCash do, which is stick everything into one xml file
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, py...qt
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> wxPython
00:47 <Luke-Jr> Qt is a nice programming language
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm enjoying it, that's for sure. It's got a number of things I like better than wxWidgets
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm using it so I can aim for integration with my desktop... ;)
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00:55 <Luke-Jr> you're not using the Qt language, tho
00:55 <Luke-Jr> you're using Python
00:58 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: The improved rubber vs lag compensation code is now in the trunk. If it doesn't work out, you can disable lag compensation with LAG_CREDIT 0
00:59 -!- z-man-home is now known as z-man
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'm using the Qt toolkit. Qt isn't a language, it's a toolkit. (obviously this is what you want to argue about right now)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: I didn't see a commit message from armabot, you sure you committed? or is armabot broke?
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
01:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
01:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> fuck
01:08 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:08 <Luke-Jr> Qt is a language also, BTW
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, Qt's a toolkit implemented in C++ with it's own preprocessor
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
01:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler armanotify armagetronad echo $message
01:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
01:12 <mkzelda> i just tried boost manually
01:12 <mkzelda> same prob
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> #describe armanotify
01:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: armanotify: Matches on 'armagetronad', Performs action of type: 'echo', On channel: #armagetron, Details: $message
01:13 <mkzelda> configure only spits out about 5 lines
01:13 <mkzelda> only does 4 checks
01:13 <mkzelda> and generates the makefile
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, when was your last sync? It compiled fine for me just now on my gentoo box
01:14 <mkzelda> today
01:14 * Lucifer_arma wonders when his last sync was
01:14 <mkzelda> dookatee boost_1_33_1 # make
01:14 <mkzelda> ./tools/build/jam_src/bin.linuxx86/bjam -sPYTHON_ROOT=/usr -sPYTHON_VERSION=2.4 -sTOOLS=gcc
01:14 <mkzelda> /bin/sh: line 1: 17202 Segmentation fault ./tools/build/jam_src/bin.linuxx86/bjam -sPYTHON_ROOT=/usr -sPYTHON_VERSION=2.4 -sTOOLS=gcc
01:14 <mkzelda> Not all Boost libraries built properly.
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> this is beyond me now, I don't know anything about boost other than what philippe and wrtlprnft tell me
01:16 <mkzelda> its about time i give up on this machine and fix my real machine anyways
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> damn, apparently my daily emerge sync cronjob isn't running, or they've just done a big update in portage
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> that would explain why my last update told me I was up to date on everything, heh
01:19 <mkzelda> i used to run an rsync server for my lan but now i just have a network drive for /usr/portage
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01:20 <ghableska> wd Vanhayes
01:20 <ghableska> :P
01:20 <Vanhayes> heh hey ghableska
01:20 <Vanhayes> lol
01:20 <ghableska> what did you do? :P
01:20 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr your server cant handle your map
01:20 <ghableska> my map? :P
01:21 <Vanhayes> lol his map
01:21 <ghableska> lol, ironic
01:21 <ghableska> it appears on the server list, but if I try to join, it says that it was shut down...
01:21 <Vanhayes> same
01:21 <Vanhayes> works now
01:21 <Vanhayes> er
01:22 <Vanhayes> nvrm
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01:26 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: because you picked a map that doesn't exist
01:26 <Vanhayes> puckmap isnt there?
01:28 <Luke-Jr> not lowercase
01:29 <Vanhayes> so Puckmap would be there?
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01:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:31 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night all
01:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cya
01:33 <Vanhayes> cya
01:37 * spidey loves being able to start armagetron from his irc client
01:37 <spidey> lol
01:38 <spidey> mm
01:38 <spidey> it shows outputs and erros too
01:38 <spidey> WARNING: incorrect filepath. The resource wants to be at "spidey/test4-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml", but was loaded from "spidey/test4.xml".
01:38 <spidey> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
01:38 <spidey> open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
01:39 <spidey> ok
01:40 <spidey> maybe i shouldn't do that again
01:40 <ghableska> :P
01:40 <spidey> tron crashed
01:40 <spidey> lol
01:41 <Vanhayes> spidey ghableska try Luke-Jr's server now
01:41 <ghableska> ok
01:41 <Vanhayes> it has his puckmap
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02:55 <spidey> installing slackware
02:56 <spidey> 3+gig install :/
03:21 <Vanhayes> #night
03:21 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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03:47 <spidey> gah
03:47 <spidey> X11R7.1 doesn't have a single source file
03:48 <spidey> so i gotta type all this shit out with wget
03:48 <spidey> :|
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> could be worse, gentoo is telling me I have to manually remove X11 v6.9 to upgrade to 7.0
04:29 <spidey> O_O
04:43 <spidey> wtf
04:43 <spidey> i formatted the nix hard drive
04:43 <spidey> rebooted
04:43 <spidey> lilo still sees it
04:43 <spidey> O_o
04:47 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no surprise there
04:48 <spidey> ?
04:50 <Luke-Jr> LILO doesn't care about partition tables, nor even filesystems
04:50 <Luke-Jr> all it cares is that the kernel is at sector 443
04:51 <spidey> mm
04:53 <mkzelda> any reason why i'd want to use software raid over hardware raid?
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04:58 * spidey slaps ghableska
04:59 * ghableska cries
04:59 * spidey hates mirc
04:59 * spidey will be glade when his slack install is done :(
04:59 <ghableska> :)
04:59 <spidey> mirc = ugly
04:59 * spidey slaps ghableska around a bit with a large trout
04:59 <spidey> i like that though
04:59 <spidey> lol
04:59 * ghableska doesn't like trout
05:00 * ghableska would like to be slapped with a large pie
05:00 * spidey slaps ghableska around a bit with a large cow
05:00 * spidey lost his uptime on this box a few hours ago
05:00 <spidey> i ment to reboot the nix box so i could install slack
05:01 <spidey> and i rebooted the wrong box
05:01 <spidey> xD
05:01 <ghableska> :P
05:01 <ghableska> smart
05:01 <spidey> yar
05:01 <spidey> well
05:01 <spidey> both computers are setting side by side
05:01 <spidey> so i just reached down and pressed the wrong off switch
05:01 <ghableska> lol
05:02 <ghableska> do they look similar?
05:02 <spidey> not really
05:02 <spidey> one i wired wrong
05:02 <ghableska> oh
05:02 <spidey> so instead of a green light that stays on and a red that blinks
05:02 <ghableska> lol
05:02 <spidey> it has a red light that stays on and a green one that blinks
05:02 <ghableska> o.0
05:03 <spidey> it also has neon blue lights on the case
05:03 <ghableska> cool
05:04 <spidey> formatting a swap partition and checking for bad blocks takes forever :/
05:04 <ghableska> :-/
05:08 <spidey> ok
05:08 <spidey> i give up for now
05:08 <spidey> mepis it is
05:08 <ghableska> :(
05:08 <spidey> only
05:08 <spidey> the really true stable version
05:08 <spidey> that doesn't break with everyinstall
05:10 <spidey> atleast i don't think it does O_o
05:11 <ghableska> 0.o=cooler than O_o
05:11 <ghableska> :P
05:11 <spidey> never
05:11 <ghableska> mine has a nose, beat that
05:12 <spidey> O�o
05:12 <spidey> pwnt
05:12 * ghableska loses
05:13 <deja_vu_> *.*
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05:13 <spidey> lol
05:13 * ghableska asks spidey for more trout
05:13 * spidey slaps ghableska around a bit with a large trout
05:13 * spidey slaps ghableska around a bit with a large trout
05:13 <ghableska> :D
05:14 <spidey> :p
05:16 * spidey thinks about signing up for netflix then ripping the dvd's to the hdd O_o
05:16 <ghableska> o.0
05:16 <ghableska> would it work?
05:16 <spidey> O�o
05:16 <spidey> yes it would
05:16 <spidey> just have to break the encryption on the dvd
05:16 <ghableska> just?
05:16 <spidey> which they have programs for that
05:16 <ghableska> ah ;)
05:16 <spidey> you'd notice
05:17 <spidey> if you put a dvd in the drive and try to run it from the file
05:17 <ghableska> :P
05:17 <spidey> it'll say you're not able to run it in file format or soemthing
05:17 <spidey> but there's like dvdcrypt or something that'll let you rip it
05:18 <spidey> i have 10 dvd's and 10 mini dvd's
05:18 <spidey> so i can convert some of the .mov to .mpeg or /avi and fit them on the minis
05:18 <ghableska> how large are the files?
05:18 <spidey> well
05:19 <spidey> usually around 4gigs
05:19 <spidey> unless it's burnt on a dual layor dvd
05:19 <spidey> then they can get upto 8gigs
05:19 <ghableska> mm
05:19 <spidey> but once you rip 'em you can convert them to .mpeg or .avi
05:20 <spidey> usually brings it down to 700mb - 1.2 gigs
05:20 <spidey> depends on the quality you want
05:20 <spidey> um
05:20 <spidey> shittttt
05:21 <ghableska> ?
05:21 <spidey> formatted the wrong damn drive
05:21 <spidey> :<
05:21 <ghableska> tsk
05:21 * ghableska thinks spidey should label everything around him
05:24 * spidey takes the drive out while he can still save the data
05:24 <spidey> O_o
05:27 <spidey> grrrr
05:28 <spidey> QTParted won't take a ntfs partition resize it and make it a ext2 :/
05:28 <spidey> ext3*
05:29 <spidey> ......
05:29 <spidey> "problem with mkfs.ext3"
05:29 <ghableska> 0.0
05:30 * spidey considers installing windows then partition manager to make the partitions
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> Mandriva has a nice partition manager
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you n eed to delete the partition, then create a new one in its place that's the size you want
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> how hard can that be?
05:39 <spidey> pretty damn hard when the live cd's makefilesystem is fucked up :)
05:39 <spidey> and
05:39 <spidey> i know how to install a os :p
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you sure about taht?
05:39 * Lucifer_arma whistles
05:39 <spidey> am
05:40 <spidey> because it's already installing :p
05:40 <spidey> i forgot i had a bootable DoS cd
05:40 <spidey> has all kinds of tools on it
05:40 <spidey> fdisk for one
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> you putting raw debian on there?
05:41 <spidey> no, a "stable" version of mepis
05:41 <spidey> the last version i had before i updated
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
05:41 <spidey> never had a problem with it
05:41 * Lucifer_arma was burned by mepis, will probably never like it now
05:42 <spidey> no
05:42 <spidey> you used a experimental version
05:42 <spidey> which IS built on the ubuntu kernal
05:42 <spidey> which is also beta 6 :p
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> actually, what trashed my hard drive was the dapper part of mepis
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm actually pissed at dapper, but as long as mepis is built on dapper, then it's included in my angst
05:42 <spidey> lol
05:43 <spidey> try slackware
05:43 <spidey> if you can get the damn packages to install
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I might very well be switching to Gentoo next on my laptop
05:44 <spidey> seriously
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> but when I rebuilt this system after the hard drive trashing I put 3 partitions for linux distributions, so I can have a "stable" distribution and room to fool around
05:44 <spidey> i'd install gentoo
05:44 <spidey> i just don't wanna take that amount of time :/
05:44 <spidey> good
05:44 <spidey> it's done
05:45 <spidey> now i can get off this shitty irc client
05:45 <spidey> brb
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05:49 <spidey> now i'm getting annoyed :)
05:52 <spidey> ok
05:52 <spidey> i'ma do this the hard way
05:52 <spidey> and cut my install time inhalf
05:52 <spidey> xD
05:52 <spidey> so it'll be my record install
05:53 * spidey clocks it
05:53 <spidey> hey lucifer,i just thought of something for that gentoo install
05:54 <spidey> will need 2 things
05:54 <spidey> 3 really
05:55 <spidey> well no
05:55 <spidey> just 2
05:55 <spidey> 1
05:55 <spidey> bootable DoS cd
05:55 <spidey> with fdisk and a few other tools
05:56 <spidey> 2 something to extract the iso
05:56 <spidey> put the extracted iso on small partition about 700mb
05:56 <spidey> boot to the DoS cd and format ect....
05:56 <spidey> boot to the harddrive and isntall fromt here
05:57 <spidey> seeing as you won't be installing from a cd
05:57 <spidey> it'll lower install time ALOT
05:57 <spidey> and you'll also need to make
05:58 <spidey> a boot.ini and point it to the gentoo dir
05:58 <spidey> you'll install at your harddrives transfer speed instead of the cd drive transfer speed
05:59 <spidey> which is faster,and if you have a sata drive it's even faster
06:00 <Luke-Jr> MWAHAHAHA
06:00 <spidey> ?
06:00 <Luke-Jr> spidey: BTW, why are you telling Lucifer_arma to DoS someone?
06:00 <Luke-Jr> ;call_ffi("libQtCore.so", "_ZN5QChar9fromAsciiEc", "int32", {{"char", "a"}})
06:00 <spidey> um....
06:00 <spidey> i'm not.....
06:00 <Luke-Jr> <spidey> bootable DoS cd
06:01 <spidey> DoS means disk operating system
06:01 <spidey> it's a OS
06:01 <Luke-Jr> no, that DOS
06:01 <spidey> omg
06:01 <spidey> samething
06:01 <Luke-Jr> very different!
06:01 * spidey slaps Luke-Jr around a bit with a large trout
06:04 * spidey attempts to make a 2 in one cd
06:04 <spidey> for slack anyways
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: or you could just follow their directions and install from an existing installation
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I did with my server, anyway. I used the Mandriva system to install gentoo
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> when the gentoo system was ready, I just booted into it
06:06 <spidey> O_o
06:09 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
06:09 <spidey> 23:08:34 - Starting data burn on DVD-R at 4 X
06:09 <spidey> 4x!!
06:10 <Luke-Jr> ...
06:11 <spidey> ?
06:11 <spidey> i thought 16x was slow :/
06:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
06:11 <Luke-Jr> 16x is 8 min
06:12 <Luke-Jr> now try burning DL at 2.4x
06:12 <spidey> never
06:12 <spidey> besides i don't have DL dvd's
06:13 <Luke-Jr> how do you copy the DL movies?
06:13 <spidey> um
06:13 <spidey> ....
06:14 <spidey> who said i needed dl dvd's for that?
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06:15 <Luke-Jr> to copy a DL disc, the target disc must also be 8 GB
06:15 <spidey> pay more attention man :p
06:15 <Luke-Jr> ...
06:15 <spidey> i said "rip" a DL movie
06:15 <spidey> that means put it on my hdd....
06:15 <spidey> where i can then convert it
06:15 <spidey> and lower the size
06:15 <spidey> :p
06:15 <Luke-Jr> you never said 'rip' anything
06:15 <spidey> i did!
06:16 <spidey> grep it
06:16 <spidey> :)
06:16 <Luke-Jr> oh that was ages ago
06:16 <Luke-Jr> anyway, I said copy
06:16 <spidey> yea...
06:16 <Luke-Jr> not requant
06:17 <Luke-Jr> nor encode
06:17 <spidey> you basically said i needed dl dvd's to copy a dl dvd
06:17 <Luke-Jr> you do
06:18 <spidey> not when i'm coping it to the harddrive
06:18 <spidey> :p
06:18 <Luke-Jr> then you're... um... not copying a DVD, just its data =p
06:18 <spidey> well,i never said copy anyways,i said rip :p
06:19 <Luke-Jr> I said copy =p
06:19 <Luke-Jr> rip isn't enough
06:19 <Luke-Jr> if you just rip, then either your HD fills up, or you sacrifice quality
06:19 <Luke-Jr> BTW, NetFlix to copy DVDs works nicely
06:20 <spidey> well that brings it bback to what else i said
06:20 <spidey> :)
06:20 <spidey> you then reencode it
06:20 <Luke-Jr> but so does getting them from your library
06:20 <Luke-Jr> no!
06:20 <Luke-Jr> that sacrifices quality
06:20 <spidey> well my library doesn't do movie rents
06:20 <spidey> yes
06:20 <spidey> as long as it's vhs+ i'm happy
06:20 <Luke-Jr> boo
06:21 * Luke-Jr isn't happy with even DVD-Video quality
06:21 <spidey> ...
06:21 <Luke-Jr> they should fill 8 GB with MPEG-4 ;)
06:21 <spidey> then you wouldn't be able to play the dvd's on older dvd players
06:22 <Luke-Jr> screw older players
06:22 <Luke-Jr> screw standalone players altogether
06:22 <spidey> which means the people who can't buy new dvd players that support mpeg-4 won't buy/rent the new ones
06:22 <spidey> = loss of customers
06:22 <Luke-Jr> if they can't buy new players/computers, they probably aren't spending much $ renting either
06:23 <spidey> don't be suprised
06:23 <spidey> i used to rent them all the time before i moved here
06:23 <spidey> and i can't offord either
06:23 <spidey> :)
06:24 <spidey> gaaaaah
06:24 <spidey> i can't boot to a dvd
06:24 <spidey> damn it
06:24 <spidey> i should have known
06:24 <spidey> good thing i have a dvd drive in that box aswell :)
06:24 * spidey switches who boots first
06:25 <Luke-Jr> spidey: standalone DVD players cost less than 3 DVD rentals...
06:26 <spidey> not really
06:26 <spidey> here they're $3 a movie
06:26 <spidey> at the one up the road they're priced on age
06:26 <spidey> and don't get over $2.50
06:27 <spidey> wtf
06:27 <spidey> my bios password is wrong :|
06:27 <Luke-Jr> ...
06:27 <spidey> omg
06:28 <spidey> ahahaha
06:28 <spidey> i have 3 passwords on this system i forgot about
06:28 <spidey> 1 for the system setup
06:28 <spidey> 1 for the boot
06:28 <spidey> and 1 for the os login
06:35 <spidey> argh!
06:35 <spidey> the bigger dvd's are even slower
06:35 <spidey> 23:34:31 - Starting data burn on DVD-RW at 2 X
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08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I am the bot with clever tricks
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08:30 <spidey> goddamn it
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> what?
08:30 <spidey> what is it with me and fucking X servers man
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> 10% rule, spidey
08:31 <spidey> for somereason every install
08:31 <spidey> EVERY has something wrong with hte x server
08:31 <spidey> even the same cd i used before
08:31 <spidey> xorgconfig, set it up
08:31 <spidey> still,connection to it times out
08:32 <spidey> _LoaderFileToMem() read() failed: Input/output error
08:32 <spidey> what's that mean?
08:37 <spidey> thank god mepis has apt-get and apt-cache search O_o
08:38 <wrtlprnft> s01:38 <spidey> WARNING: incorrect filepath. The resource wants to be at "spidey/test4-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml", but was loaded from "spidey/test4.xml".
08:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you need to rename the file
08:38 <spidey> yea
08:39 <wrtlprnft> so that it is named test4-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
08:39 <spidey> i know,i'm just lazy
08:39 * spidey is starting to get frustrated
08:39 <spidey> i don't like that cause it makes my head hurt O_o
08:40 <spidey> oh
08:41 <spidey> that didn't help at all
08:41 <spidey> apt-cache search X
08:41 <spidey> scrolled all kinds of white text on the blackbackground
08:41 * spidey needs tylonel :<
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08:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
08:48 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: "`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' || `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'" || - Arthur failing in his first lesson of galactic physics || in four years.
08:55 * spidey is about to say fuck it and just install windows
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09:00 * spidey installs windows
09:00 * spidey may never revert to nix again O_o
09:01 <spidey> i just don't understand :/
09:02 <spidey> how can every distro i've tried have a broke xserver
09:03 <spidey> #time
09:03 <armabot> spidey: 02:04 AM, July 08, 2006
09:03 <spidey> few
09:03 <spidey> my clock says it's the 9th
09:03 <spidey> lol
09:04 <spidey> anyways,i know it's nothing wrong with the computer itself
09:04 <spidey> if it was i wouldn't get the gui login,and the livecd's wouldn't start with x
09:05 <spidey> might be my slave drive,hope not though :/
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09:13 <spidey> lol
09:13 <spidey> poor zman
09:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gotta go
09:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cyall l8r
09:22 <spidey> o
09:22 <spidey> m
09:22 <spidey> f
09:22 <spidey> g
09:22 <spidey> that's it
09:22 * spidey is this close |---| to throwing this box out the window
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17:05 <mkzelda> hahaha that was funny luci
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18:27 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtlprnft
18:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:15:50] <Lucifer_arma> this is beyond me now, I don't know anything about boost other than what philippe and wrtlprnft tell me
18:27 <wrtlprnft> as if i knew anything more
18:27 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtlprnft --nolimit
18:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:27:27] <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtlprnft, [18:15:50] <Lucifer_arma> this is beyond me now, I don't know anything about boost other than what philippe and wrtlprnft tell me, [15:37:51] <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: any idea why libresolv and libdns_nss require dynamic loading?, [15:37:42] <Vanhayes> wb wrtlprnft, [15:01:21] <Vanhayes> hello wrtlprnft_, [10:19:44] <cusco> wrtlprnft: were you (4 more messages)
18:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: no, no clue
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #more
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: reading me?, [10:19:31] <cusco> wrtlprnft: /rmrecons, [10:18:59] <ghableska> wrtlprnft, [18:00:12] <Vanhayes> spidey or wrtlprnft or anyone that knows what does Micro Bus City mena, I never really thought about it before, [06:15:04] <wrtlprnft> 13:05 <armabot> madmax|pt: [03:21:06] <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:, [03:21:06] <wrtlprnft> 00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft:, [19:33:21] * (3 more messages)
18:28 <wrtlprnft> hmm, didn't miss that much after all
18:28 <wrtlprnft> though CIA shows some very interesting- looking antilg magic
18:30 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:31 <wrtlprnft> hi :)
18:32 <wrtlprnft> and why the heck is my arma checkout missing the .svn dir?!
18:32 <ghableska> um...
18:32 * ghableska doesn't know
18:33 <wrtlprnft> looks like something deleted it
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18:48 <wrtlprnft> who the f**** had the glorious idea to but font tags on the intertron wiki page?
18:48 <nemostultae> Some people still haven't found the preview button
18:49 <wrtlprnft> and then, white text!
18:49 <wrtlprnft> has anyone told them that most of the styles for the wiki have a white background
18:49 <nemostultae> I think in IE it shows up different, so they don't know
18:49 <wrtlprnft> would anyone mind if i would run a s/<[^>]*>//g on that?
18:50 <nemostultae> they might, and the will answer with 100 edits of the page to get it back to original
18:50 <nemostultae> and they*
18:50 <wrtlprnft> great
18:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i'll at least replace white text, that's for sure
18:52 <nemostultae> maybe set it in a span, with a black border?
18:52 <wrtlprnft> that's what i did with canada
18:53 <wrtlprnft> when i hadn't yet seen the crazy stuff they did below
18:54 <wrtlprnft> <font color=ff0000>United</font color>
18:55 <wrtlprnft> they can't even do that right...
18:55 <wrtlprnft> 1) missing #
18:55 <wrtlprnft> 2) it's an xhtml page, so you need the ""
18:55 <wrtlprnft> 3) one color too much
18:56 <nemostultae> atleast they didn't just put 0xff0000 in front of the text
18:56 <wrtlprnft> at least that wouldn't have worked
18:57 * wrtlprnft is tempted real hard to lock that page
18:58 <ghableska> :D
19:05 <wrtlprnft> grr, is it font-size or text-size?
19:08 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Inter_Tron&diff=13331&oldid=13311
19:08 <wrtlprnft> let
19:08 <wrtlprnft> *let's see if that helps
19:09 <ghableska> too colorful :(
19:09 <ghableska> especially the names for the US team
19:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:10 <ghableska> makes my eyes water
19:11 <ghableska> :-/
19:11 <wrtlprnft> but as nemostultae said, if i remove them we'll just get tons of edits from people putting them back in
19:11 <ghableska> true
19:11 <ghableska> *sigh*
19:11 <wrtlprnft> and, well, this is a register page, i can hardly lock it
19:11 <ghableska> it's discouraging me from joining the tourney
19:12 <wrtlprnft> though i might protect it for a day or so if it gets worse
19:12 <wrtlprnft> with a meaningful reason, at least people will have to read that
19:12 <ghableska> yeah
19:13 * ghableska goes off to spell-check
19:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:13 <wrtlprnft> spell,
19:13 <ghableska> lots of spelling errors :)
19:13 <wrtlprnft> spell- check what?
19:14 <ghableska> the page
19:14 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:14 <wrtlprnft> didn't bother to read the chaos at the top
19:14 <ghableska> you don't want to :)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> i guessed that
19:14 <ghableska> looks like it was written with a bad translator...
19:16 <wrtlprnft> with google from english to chinese to german to french to english?
19:16 <ghableska> probably
19:17 <ghableska> "brankets"
19:17 <ghableska> er "branckets"
19:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:17 <ghableska> ok, the rest I don't even understand
19:17 <ghableska> I give up
19:18 <ghableska> I managed to get through the first line 0.o
19:19 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/82543
19:19 <wrtlprnft> put that on :P
19:20 <ghableska> lmao
19:20 <ghableska> yes :D
19:20 <wrtlprnft> (name right, not your change of family)
19:20 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:20 <ghableska> o.0
19:20 <ghableska> "Turnierwilleparticipe"
19:20 <wrtlprnft> isn't much worse than what was originally there, eh?
19:20 <ghableska> nah, it's a huge improvement
19:21 <ghableska> :)
19:21 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:23 <ghableska> much more readable
19:25 <ghableska> participe..
19:25 <ghableska> at least Tronic was somewhat organized
19:25 <ghableska> especially the mbc page :P
19:27 <wrtlprnft> heh, lol
19:27 <wrtlprnft> that's because i was the only one to edit it
19:27 <ghableska> I know ;)
19:28 <ghableska> speaking of which, have you seen 2020 recently?
19:28 * wrtlprnft wishes we had the kind of contributors wikipedia has
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19:34 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:34 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:37 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes
19:37 <Vanhayes> hello wrtlprnft
19:37 * ghableska is thinking about switching to Wuttle permanently
19:38 <Vanhayes> heh why, because you play better?
19:39 <ghableska> yes :P
19:44 <Vanhayes> brb
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19:44 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia wuttle
19:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No matches found. (Search took 0.41 seconds)
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is wuttle
19:45 <ghableska> :P
19:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wuttle: nothing appropriate
19:45 <ghableska> another nonsense word :D
19:45 <ghableska> McSpiddles: #shuffle s u p e r c a l a f r a g a l i s t i c e x p e a l a d o s e s z o m g w t f p w n
19:45 <ghableska> armabot: McSpiddles: w s g i a e o o l f m l f n s p a s a z a e i e g r p c c a x p a r d s w u t t l e
19:45 <ghableska> ghableska: I like the end, actually
19:45 <ghableska> ghableska: "wuttle"
19:45 <ghableska> Vanhayes: lool
19:45 <ghableska> ghableska: sounds nice :)
19:45 <ghableska> :P
19:50 <spidey|sleep> #last --from McSpiddles --with wuttle
19:50 <armabot> spidey|sleep: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30335 messages.
19:50 <spidey|sleep> O_o
19:50 <spidey|sleep> #last --from armabot --with "w u t t l e"
19:50 <armabot> spidey|sleep: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30338 messages.
19:50 <spidey|sleep> :/
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19:50 <spidey> got a fuckin OS install on that box
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19:56 * spidey pokes joda
19:56 * joda_bot dies
19:56 <spidey> O_o
19:56 <ghableska> o.0
19:56 <spidey> w3rd
19:56 * ghableska pokes spidey
19:56 <spidey> omg
19:57 <spidey> "primary drive 0 not found"
19:57 <spidey> "primary drive 1 not found"
19:57 <spidey> wtf. now it's not detecting both drives :|
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19:59 <luke-jr__> spidey: sucks to be you
19:59 <luke-jr__> that's what you get for not using standard IM
20:00 <spidey> standard im my ass
20:00 <luke-jr__> I would, if your ___ had it
20:00 <spidey> :|
20:02 <spidey> there we go
20:02 <spidey> now to get it to boot to my utility partition :/
20:23 <luke-jr__> why do you have a utility partition?
20:23 <spidey> why?
20:23 <spidey> for cases like this
20:24 <spidey> when the drive gets shot to hell :p
20:24 <luke-jr__> a utility partition won't help
20:24 <spidey> it will
20:24 <spidey> i can run ckdisk amoungs other things
20:24 <spidey> to see what's wrong :p
20:25 <luke-jr__> it's either a hardware problem of a data problem
20:25 <luke-jr__> in the first, nothing can help
20:25 <luke-jr__> in the latter, Knoppix or such are best
20:25 <spidey> lol
20:25 <luke-jr__> just run fsck.vfat
20:26 <spidey> i can mark the bad sectors on the drive
20:26 <luke-jr__> ...
20:26 <luke-jr__> until more go bad
20:26 <luke-jr__> and more
20:26 <luke-jr__> and more
20:26 <spidey> yea....
20:26 <luke-jr__> which is almost always the case
20:26 <luke-jr__> so better to just get a replacement
20:26 <spidey> all i want is to get a OS and a partition manager on here :p
20:26 <spidey> so i can "partition" my backup drive
20:26 <spidey> and not "format" it
20:27 <luke-jr__> if you have bad sectors, more will be going bad soon
20:27 <luke-jr__> um
20:27 <luke-jr__> you know there's a program for *nix that will scan and detect partition data
20:27 <luke-jr__> and rebuild a partition table
20:27 <luke-jr__> just run it from the livecd
20:28 <spidey> yea
20:28 <spidey> they got them for windows too
20:28 <luke-jr__> windows won't run from a CD
20:28 <spidey> will too
20:28 <spidey> bartpt or something
20:28 <luke-jr__> ...
20:28 <spidey> can make live windows cd's
20:28 <luke-jr__> bah
20:28 <spidey> :)
20:28 <luke-jr__> just use atari-fdisk to repartition
20:29 <spidey> i've already got windows on it
20:29 <spidey> so i'ma use partition manager to make a 50gig ext3
20:29 <luke-jr__> um
20:29 <spidey> and just disable the bad drive in bios
20:29 <luke-jr__> better to just make a 50 gig blank partition
20:30 <luke-jr__> and use mkfs.ext3 to format it
20:30 <spidey> um
20:30 <spidey> i would but
20:30 <spidey> the live cd's i got
20:30 <luke-jr__> I wouldn't trust any other tool to format ext3
20:31 <spidey> mkfs.ext3 is fucked up on qtpartition
20:31 <luke-jr__> ...
20:31 <luke-jr__> just run mkfs.ext3 directly
20:31 <luke-jr__> use cfdisk to examine your partition table
20:31 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with mkfs.ext3
20:31 <armabot> spidey: [13:30:34] <spidey> mkfs.ext3 is fucked up on qtpartition
20:31 <spidey> :p
20:32 <spidey> wait
20:32 <spidey> um
20:32 <spidey> oh well
20:32 <luke-jr__> ...
20:32 <luke-jr__> cfdisk
20:33 <luke-jr__> *look at /dev/hdX# for partiton*
20:33 <luke-jr__> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX#
20:33 <luke-jr__> TADA
20:33 <spidey> actually
20:33 <spidey> cfdisk /dev/hda
20:33 <spidey> "new"
20:33 <spidey> "type"
20:33 <spidey> "write"
20:33 <luke-jr__> that works too
20:33 <spidey> that's the slackware way :p
20:33 <luke-jr__> tho cfdisk's default type is Linux
20:34 <spidey> yes but
20:34 <spidey> i can pick a type
20:34 <spidey> from 1 to 90 something
20:34 <spidey> 84 is swap
20:34 <luke-jr__> yes, but the default type is what you want for ext3
20:34 <spidey> 83*
20:35 * luke-jr__ doesn't worry about the #s
20:35 <luke-jr__> if you want swap, just hit enter at the type prompt =p
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20:46 <ghableska> wb Vanhayes
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21:16 <Vanhayes> ty ghableska
21:23 <spidey> hey Vanhayes
21:23 <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes
21:25 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icq.com/legal/policy.html
21:25 <wrtlprnft> > You agree that by posting any material or information anywhere on the ICQ Services and Information you surrender your copyright and any other proprietary right in the posted material or information. You further agree that ICQ Inc. is entitled to use at its own discretion any of the posted material or information in any manner it deems fit, including, but not limited to, publishing the material or distributing it.
21:25 <wrtlprnft> ok, that's it. no more ICQ
21:25 <wrtlprnft> that means it's illegal to post gpl code snippets on IRQ?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> *ICQ
21:26 <spidey> mmm
21:26 <spidey> sourceforge is somewhat the same
21:26 <spidey> well,it was about 2 years ago when i read there TOS
21:26 <wrtlprnft> well, the sourcecode is GPL'd, and I don't post anything there but GPL sources
21:28 <wrtlprnft> blic anyways, right?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> err
21:28 <wrtlprnft> and anyways, most stuff you post there is meant to be public anyways, right?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> not like a private conversation on ICQ/MSN/AIM/YIM/whatever
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21:37 <Vanhayes> spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey hello
21:45 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: the policy has no weight if you don't read it ;)
21:45 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: of course, if you sue em over it, they'll probably sue Kopete developers for not requiring agreement =p
21:46 <luke-jr__> of course, Kopete can just claim interoperability fair use and they're screwed since their server never sends the agreement to users
21:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr__: you need to read the license to register on their site
21:54 <wrtlprnft> and all kopete does is open the register page of icq
22:00 <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes
22:00 <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes
22:06 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey Vanhayes spidey
22:06 * wrtlprnft loves those conversations
22:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft, wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft wrtlprnft
22:07 -!- You're now known as i_am_an_idiot
22:07 <i_am_an_idiot> try again now
22:07 <spidey> you_are_a_idiot you_are_a_idiot you_are_a_idiot you_are_a_idiot you_are_a_idiot you_are_a_idiot
22:07 <i_am_an_idiot> grammar wrong
22:07 <i_am_an_idiot> it's aN idiot
22:07 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:08 <spidey> i liked that
22:08 <spidey> i_am_an_idiot is now known as wrtlprnft < LOL
22:08 -!- You're now known as SpideyTheIdiot
22:08 * SpideyTheIdiot 's gonna play a round of tron
22:09 -!- spidey is now known as wrtlprnft
22:09 <wrtlprnft> pwned
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22:10 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
22:10 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
22:10 <wrtlprnft> how are you baby?
22:10 <ghableska> ...
22:10 * ghableska waves a hand in front of wrtlprnft's face
22:11 <wrtlprnft> i'm sorry i never told you before,i love you
22:11 * ghableska screams and runs away
22:11 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
22:11 <ghableska> Vanhayes: help me
22:12 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft= spidey
22:12 <wrtlprnft> LOL
22:12 <ghableska> oh
22:12 * ghableska slaps wrtlprnft
22:12 <Vanhayes> SpideyTheIdiot= wrtlprnft
22:12 <wrtlprnft> :p
22:12 <ghableska> grr
22:12 <Vanhayes> hope that clears things up
22:12 <ghableska> yes
22:12 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:12 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes, you ruined my fun
22:12 <wrtlprnft> :(
22:12 * ghableska slaps wrtlprnft again for good measure
22:12 <Vanhayes> heh
22:13 <wrtlprnft> lkol
22:21 <wrtlprnft> fucking 6 fps in tron
22:21 <wrtlprnft> brb
22:23 * ghableska slaps wrtlprnft again
22:23 <ghableska> :P
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22:41 <ghableska> :P
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22:43 <spidey> i'm seriously getting ready to set fire to these computers
22:43 <ghableska> why?
22:43 <spidey> currupt files now
22:44 <spidey> have to boot to DOS and copy them from the CD's
22:44 <spidey> to C:\
22:44 <spidey> clots of them @_@
22:45 <ghableska> set fire to them!
22:46 * spidey sighs
22:47 * ghableska slaps spidey
22:49 <spidey> lol
22:49 <spidey> i got access denied on copy hal.dl_ systemroot
22:49 * spidey is logged in as admin to
22:49 <spidey> O_o
22:50 <spidey> gah
22:50 <spidey> copied to wrong dir
22:54 <Vanhayes> hmm I'm thinking I shouldn't have put flags on for canada in the inter tron thing, people seems to be copying it
22:54 <spidey> pwned
22:54 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Inter_tron just for reference
22:56 <Vanhayes> but I guess thats what happens with nationalism and all
22:57 <ghableska> look at the colors on the bottom :(
22:58 <Vanhayes> heh ya
22:58 <ghableska> eww
22:58 <ghableska> it's not "pimped out"
22:59 <Vanhayes> at first all it was was the United staes of america coloured red white and blue then the green names now the flags too
22:59 <Vanhayes> hmm seems like overcompensating to me
22:59 <ghableska> they should just use black text..
23:00 <Vanhayes> yup
23:00 <ghableska> who picked green?
23:00 <Vanhayes> durka
23:01 <Vanhayes> he did it all but the flags I think
23:01 <ghableska> eugh
23:01 <ghableska> *blargh
23:01 <ghableska> :P
23:01 <Vanhayes> except for the black background, I think wrtlprnft aka SpideyTheIdiot did those
23:01 <Vanhayes> makes it easier to read white
23:02 <ghableska> mhmm
23:05 <Vanhayes> heh did you correct coutries with countries ghableska?
23:08 <ghableska> I did a little bit of spell checking, but then I gave up
23:10 <Vanhayes> heh ya i saw some of it, better than none though
23:18 <SpideyTheIdiot> o_O, i think i just caused a messed up start
23:19 <ghableska> nah
23:19 <ghableska> it went fine :P
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23:19 <SpideyTheIdiot> sec
23:19 <SpideyTheIdiot> aww
23:19 <SpideyTheIdiot> i sooo wanted to ghostkick wrtl-spidey
23:20 <ghableska> ;)
23:20 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnftz
23:20 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
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23:21 <spidey> sh: version: command not found
23:21 <spidey> O_o
23:21 <spidey> omg
23:21 <ghableska> lol
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: thanks for removing the canada colors :)
23:21 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.15-1-586tsc (Debian 2.6.15-3.ww1) (ww@mepis.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #2 PREEMPT Wed Feb 1 17:40:51 EST 2006
23:21 <spidey> there!
23:21 * spidey hopes nothing goes wrong
23:22 * spidey really needs to label all these OS cd's
23:22 <ghableska> can I pleeease get rid of the green text?
23:22 <spidey> i have 2 mepis cd's 2 slackware(disk1&2) 1 ubuntu 1 windows 1 windows resource(drivers)
23:22 <spidey> and none of them are labeled
23:22 <spidey> and all the same color
23:22 <spidey> O_o
23:23 * ghableska has already told spidey to label everything in sight
23:23 <spidey> tis a good idea
23:23 <spidey> but i don't have a perm. marker
23:23 <spidey> lol
23:23 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft np it was getting too tacky with all the others doing it
23:24 <ghableska> lol
23:24 <Vanhayes> just made a page instead, hope thats fine
23:24 * ghableska wants to play for Canada because they don't have greent ext
23:24 <ghableska> *text
23:24 <Vanhayes> lol
23:25 <Vanhayes> hmm we need to find at least 2 other people who want to play from canada
23:25 <ghableska> mememe!
23:25 <ghableska> LO
23:25 <ghableska> um...
23:25 <ghableska> interesting
23:25 <Vanhayes> "from Canada"
23:25 * ghableska realizes that caps lock was on, but the light didn't show it
23:26 <ghableska> I'll pretend :P
23:26 <Vanhayes> lol
23:26 <Vanhayes> ya just say Eh alot and no one will notice
23:26 <ghableska> eh?
23:26 <ghableska> :)
23:26 <Vanhayes> lol
23:26 <ghableska> you don't say it :P
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23:27 * ghableska cringes just reading the top of the page
23:27 <Vanhayes> heh I dont type it, I say it quite a bit
23:27 <Vanhayes> hello z-man-home
23:28 <ghableska> "the way they will be is trying to join to another geo-near"
23:28 <ghableska> *shiver*
23:28 <Vanhayes> lol
23:29 <wrtlprnft> gah edit conflict
23:29 <ghableska> ?
23:29 <ghableska> worldcup isn't one word, is it?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> that happens in the wiki if someone edits a page while you're working on it
23:29 <ghableska> oh
23:29 <ghableska> must've been me :X
23:29 <Vanhayes> lol
23:30 <wrtlprnft> np
23:30 <ghableska> wow
23:30 <wrtlprnft> was an easy one, you just removed something
23:30 <ghableska> hyeheh well, actually i was going to thank you for fiddling with the wiki for ladle, but couldn't send a message since the forum didn't allow it and this is the only way i can think of getting into contact....
23:30 <ghableska> o.0
23:31 <wrtlprnft> i did anything for the ladle?
23:31 <ghableska> o_O
23:31 <ghableska> the mbc page?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> that was the spoon
23:32 <Vanhayes> the forum wouldnt allow you to send a message?
23:32 <ghableska> oh, yeah
23:32 <wrtlprnft> err, i don't think my inbox is full yet...
23:34 <Vanhayes> wo 2020 sent me a pm about me putting that IRC could be a usefull way to communicate for the ladle, and him taking it off, on june 24th and I didnt notice untill now
23:34 <ghableska> o.0
23:35 * wrtlprnft doesn't know why people seem to be scared of IRC
23:35 <ghableska> dunno
23:35 <wrtlprnft> heh, you get some of the nicest guys that play arma in here
23:36 <Vanhayes> heh plus spidey
23:36 <ghableska> "plus spidey" :P
23:36 * Vanhayes pokes spidey
23:36 <wrtlprnft> lololol
23:36 <Vanhayes> the only hard thing about IRC for me was finding a client I liked
23:36 <Vanhayes> took about 5 minutes to get it set up
23:36 * ghableska slaps spidey for the umpteenth time
23:37 <wrtlprnft> especially since you need cygwin to use the best client there is
23:37 <wrtlprnft> *on windows
23:37 <ghableska> Vanhayes: what client are you using?
23:38 <Vanhayes> mIRC again
23:38 <ghableska> eww
23:38 <ghableska> looks ugly :P
23:38 <Vanhayes> its funny the trial period was up then I got X chat which i liked alot, but that expired so I tried Mirc again and I have another 30 days
23:38 <ghableska> heh
23:39 <Vanhayes> ghableska you can change the look of it, I use mIRC power pack to make it look better
23:39 <wrtlprnft> get an opensource irc client...
23:39 <Vanhayes> looks alot like X chat now
23:40 * ghableska is using Trillian :P
23:40 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft ive tried a bunch and the only one ive found that is decent is hydra
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
23:40 <Vanhayes> i didnt like trillian that much
23:40 <ghableska> it's decent
23:40 <Vanhayes> reminded me too much of msn messenger
23:40 <ghableska> bad memories?
23:41 <spidey> Vanhayes,
23:41 * Vanhayes has refused to use msn messenger ever again
23:41 <spidey> Vanhayes, wanna know something i tried to explain to you along time ago?
23:41 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: I still can't get your stream to work :-/
23:41 <wrtlprnft> works for me
23:41 <Vanhayes> spidey depends
23:41 <wrtlprnft> realplay
23:41 <spidey> Vanhayes, the mirc experiation period = fake
23:41 <spidey> you can still use it after it expires
23:41 <Vanhayes> explains alot
23:41 <spidey> just
23:42 <spidey> open it after it expires
23:42 <spidey> wait a minutes
23:42 <spidey> then click continue a few times
23:42 <spidey> and it'll be clickable
23:42 <Vanhayes> probly
23:42 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: it's very silent, so turn up the volume
23:42 <spidey> it will,i used to use it :p
23:42 <Vanhayes> ill have to wait 26 days to try
23:42 <spidey> well
23:42 <wrtlprnft> arma would blast my ears off with that volume setting
23:42 <spidey> if you want i can get you a key for it
23:42 <ghableska> :P
23:42 <Vanhayes> can you get me a key for x chat?
23:43 <spidey> mm
23:43 <spidey> dunno,i use the version that's free
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:43 * ghableska heard a loud click
23:43 <spidey> on windows anyways
23:43 <Vanhayes> tried to get a torrent of it but no seeders
23:43 <spidey> sec
23:43 <spidey> i'ma try something
23:43 <spidey> you have winrar?
23:44 <Vanhayes> no but something like it
23:44 <spidey> can you extract .tgz ?
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23:44 <Vanhayes> i think so hold on ill check
23:45 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ARmagetron
23:45 <ghableska> oops :X
23:45 <Vanhayes> wb ghableska
23:45 <spidey> nvm
23:45 <spidey> i can make a .zip
23:45 * wrtlprnft listens to Lucifer_arma while he reads the latest trolling on some kernel hole on heise security
23:46 <ghableska> o.0
23:46 <wrtlprnft> come on, a security hole that requires you to plug in a modified usb cdrom drive to the usb port?!
23:46 <wrtlprnft> if i have that kind of access i take out the harddrive and disappear
23:47 <Vanhayes> spidey no I dont think it can extract .tgz
23:47 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:47 <Vanhayes> .zip it can of course tho
23:47 <wrtlprnft> get a real unzipper
23:48 <spidey> winrar will do it
23:48 <spidey> but don't worry i made it a .zip :p
23:48 <wrtlprnft> http://filzip.com/en/index.html
23:49 <spidey> ok
23:49 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/X-Cat.zip
23:49 <spidey> no
23:49 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/X-Chat.zip
23:49 <spidey> you don't have to install it
23:49 <spidey> just launch it from the folder
23:49 <spidey> umm
23:49 <spidey> hold on
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <Vanhayes> ya
23:50 <spidey> ok reuploading O_o
23:51 <wrtlprnft> looks like Lucifer_arma just made a short pause
23:51 <spidey> i'm not good with scp,so sometimes i send to the wrong dir
23:51 <spidey> lol
23:51 <wrtlprnft> like 3 seconds
23:51 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft it says that unzipper doesnt do .tgx either
23:52 <Vanhayes> .tgz*
23:52 * spidey can't hear lucifer
23:52 <spidey> O_o
23:52 <wrtlprnft> support for .ace, .arc. arj, .cab, .gz, .lha, .jar, .rar, .tar and of course .zip
23:52 <wrtlprnft> .tgz is nothing but .tar.gz
23:52 <wrtlprnft> just a short form
23:53 <wrtlprnft> it is a .tar arhive that's packed into a gzip file
23:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma jsut blew off my ears
23:53 <spidey> van
23:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/X-Chat.zip
23:54 <spidey> if that doesn't work
23:54 <spidey> i'll upload the other one
23:54 <spidey> i have 2,one's a better version
23:55 <spidey> which is the one i just uploaded
23:55 <Vanhayes> is this the better one?
23:55 <spidey> yea
23:55 <spidey> it has highlights
23:55 <Vanhayes> ya its unzipping
23:55 <spidey> displays when someone says your name
23:55 <spidey> etc
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> fingers got tired, thought I'd rest 'em on my guitar :)
23:55 <Vanhayes> spidey um what version is it?
23:55 <spidey> not sure
23:55 <spidey> it work?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: np
23:56 <spidey> i think it's 2.6.2
23:56 <spidey> O_o
23:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: anything else coming or can i go to bed now?
23:57 <wrtlprnft> anything but static i mean o_O
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> you dont' hear any guitar?
23:57 <wrtlprnft> not right now
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23:57 <Vanhayes_> ya it works spidey
23:57 <spidey> :)
23:57 <wrtlprnft> i heard something before
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> I hear guitar
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> there is a bit of a delay though
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23:58 <wrtlprnft> must be quite a bit of delay
23:58 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> you only hear static? that's kinda weird....
23:59 <Vanhayes> thank you spidey
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23:59 <Lucifer_arma> turn it down maybe?
23:59 <spidey> np
23:59 <spidey> Vanhayes,
23:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: down? now i hear nothing
23:59 <spidey> you get a display?
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> delay's about 3-5 seconds, maybe a bit longer
00:00 <Vanhayes> a display of that trial thing?
00:00 <Vanhayes> no
00:00 -!- z-man-home [n=manuel@p50872AE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
00:00 <spidey> no
00:00 <wrtlprnft> Day changed to 09 Jul 2006
00:00 -!- z-man-home is now known as z-man
00:00 <spidey> ok
00:00 <wrtlprnft> something tells me i should go to bed now
00:00 <ghableska> :P
00:00 <spidey> minimize the client,it should goto the system tray
00:00 <spidey> beside the clock
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably
00:01 <spidey> then when i say Vanhayes a yellow box will pop-up
00:01 <Vanhayes> doesnt
00:01 <spidey> O_o
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> there's guitar, and I'm hearing it on my client, so I don't know what to do
00:01 <spidey> maybe i sent the wrong one
00:01 <Vanhayes> it is version 2.6.2 which is the newest I think
00:02 <spidey> mm
00:02 <spidey> i'm scared to reboot
00:02 <spidey> lol
00:03 <spidey> that's when everything fucks up
00:03 <Vanhayes> lol
00:03 <spidey> and i just edited the xorg.conf
00:03 <ghableska> o.0
00:03 <spidey> maybe i can just kill the xserver and call it even
00:03 <spidey> brb
00:03 <Vanhayes> btw wrtlprnft I use this unzipper it is pretty good
00:03 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-119-125-64.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:03 <Vanhayes> http://www.7-zip.org/
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #u
00:04 <armabot> spidey: 00:04:33 up 78 days, 8 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
00:05 * wrtlprnft doesn't use any windoze unzipper unless he really has to
00:06 <wrtlprnft> aww i used windoze again, Lucifer_arma's gonna hate me
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not if you could figure out why ghableska can't hear my stream :)
00:07 <ghableska> :)
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> what media player are you using ghableska ?
00:07 <ghableska> iTunes
00:07 * wrtlprnft currently hears a low hum
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, nt playing right now
00:08 <Vanhayes> wanna paste that link again?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> #last --with 8000
00:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:40:31] <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
00:08 <Vanhayes> ty
00:09 <wrtlprnft> now i hear something
00:09 <Vanhayes> works with amp pretty good
00:10 * ghableska still doesn't hear anything
00:10 * Vanhayes pokes ghableska
00:10 * wrtlprnft wonders how it must feel to play with headphones on, hearing whatever you play lagged behind 3 seconds
00:10 <Vanhayes> lol
00:11 <wrtlprnft> like, good headphones that don't let any noise from outside thru
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> I turned off my media client, I'm hearing the guitar directly now :)
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00:18 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, how does that song go?
00:18 <spidey> note,killing x doesn't count as restarting it
00:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: sounds ok
00:19 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:19 <wrtlprnft> that's not you playing i guess as you're writing right now
00:19 * Vanhayes me
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's always me playing..... ;)
00:19 <wrtlprnft> really
00:19 <Vanhayes> wo wrtlprnft has lots of lagg
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, just that there's a long delay
00:19 <wrtlprnft> are you playing with your toeas and chatting with your hands or is it the other ways
00:19 <wrtlprnft> -s
00:19 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:20 <wrtlprnft> *toes
00:20 <ghableska> :P
00:20 <ghableska> talent ;)
00:20 <Vanhayes> lol
00:21 * Vanhayes is away: I'm busy
00:21 * Vanhayes is back (gone 00:00:03)
00:21 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:21 <spidey> lol
00:21 * wrtlprnft hates those auto /me is away: things
00:21 <Vanhayes> how come it wont let me go away with ctrl+a anymore?
00:21 <spidey> dunno
00:21 <wrtlprnft> there is a /away command that lets you supply a reason, that's enough
00:22 * Vanhayes is away: dun dun dun
00:22 * Vanhayes is back (gone 00:00:03)
00:22 <spidey> O_o
00:22 <Vanhayes> lol
00:22 <spidey> it doesn't work for me O_o
00:22 * wrtlprnft hates changing nicks too, like SD_away, spidey|zzz etc
00:22 <Vanhayes> hmm and the little arrow before the /me thing is now a little box
00:22 <ghableska> :P
00:23 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|zzz
00:23 * Vanhayes test
00:23 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:23 <spidey|zzz> test 2
00:23 -!- spidey|zzz is now known as spidey
00:23 <spidey> i wish i could remember the password to this name
00:23 <wrtlprnft> you should have linked them :P
00:23 <spidey> i registered it years ago
00:24 <Vanhayes> wait, for spidey?
00:24 <spidey> no,this name was registered years ago
00:24 <spidey> yea
00:24 <Vanhayes> lol
00:24 <Vanhayes> play o canada instead
00:24 <wrtlprnft> talk to a staff member, guy
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #canada2
00:24 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, play o canada instead
00:24 <spidey> there's a channel #lame i used to go in
00:24 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
00:25 <spidey> although i don't go in there anymore cause i don't like any of the people
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, forgot the rest
00:25 <Vanhayes> ha
00:25 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff
00:25 <wrtlprnft> omg
00:25 <wrtlprnft> just heard that try
00:26 <Vanhayes> hmm that sounds like star trek
00:26 <ghableska> O_o
00:26 <spidey> /stats p
00:26 <Vanhayes> I didnt like that show very much
00:26 <spidey> er
00:26 * ghableska wishes he could hear
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> man, I barely remember how to play that
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:26 <wrtlprnft> http://megacitychorus.com/audio/O'_Canada.mp3
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> (it is star trek :) )
00:26 <Vanhayes> lol
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> ack!
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> I had it all worked out! :(
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> the imperial march sounds really nice if I could fucking play it
00:29 * ghableska gets mental image of darth vader
00:31 <Vanhayes> hmm wonder what the winamp plugin does
00:31 <spidey> (15:30:39) yahoohelper: Hi center.cen, visit www.y-source.com for our new update for yahoo messenger which allows you to view webcams and many other exciting features.
00:31 <spidey> wtf
00:31 <spidey> O_o
00:32 <Vanhayes> spidey, I had to load that plugin for it to minimize to the system tray
00:33 <spidey> ah
00:33 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/ocanada.ogg <-- fancy o canada
00:33 <spidey> yea there's plugins
00:33 <spidey> i forgot i loaded them in mine
00:33 <Vanhayes> what does the winamp one do?
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done
00:33 <spidey> man
00:33 <spidey> i registered this name so long ago
00:33 <spidey> it's expired
00:34 <spidey> lol
00:34 <wrtlprnft> that means?
00:34 <Vanhayes> they can expire?
00:34 <wrtlprnft> you can just register it again?
00:34 <spidey> alindeman I can just drop it if you want
00:34 <spidey> alindeman So you can reregister (it's expired
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you don't use it often enough
00:34 <spidey> if they don't get used for years they expire
00:34 <spidey> lol
00:34 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that's why i told you to ask a staffer ;)
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: find me some tab or sheet music for O Canada and I'll learn it
00:35 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada#External_links <-- a piano arrangement, no clue if that helps for a guitar player
00:35 * wrtlprnft once tried to overlay the two versions of o canada he linked to and failed
00:35 <wrtlprnft> they just don't fit together :(
00:37 * Lucifer_arma can read sheet music, so a piano arrangement will probably work
00:37 <Vanhayes> #uptime
00:37 <armabot> spidey: 00:36:57 up 78 days, 40 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.08, 0.19
00:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, now i can't restart your stream Lucifer_arma
00:37 <spidey> 15:37:37 up 24 min, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.26, 0.25
00:37 <wrtlprnft> 24 min?!
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's because I shut it down
00:37 <Vanhayes> how do i get my uptime?
00:37 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
00:37 <spidey> had to restart for a xorg config to take affect
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, it doesn't run all the time
00:37 <wrtlprnft> err
00:37 <spidey> Vanhayes, it's only for nix
00:37 <spidey> :p
00:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you can just restart x then?
00:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i guessed that
00:38 <spidey> i did
00:38 <spidey> but kde fucked up
00:38 <Vanhayes> then what does this uptime script do?
00:38 <spidey> so i restarted
00:38 <spidey> oh
00:38 <spidey> do /uptime
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> I've got it setup to save what I play, one of these days I'll probably get practicing with drums and various mixes, then I'll probably have a stream that runs all the time
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00:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it shows the uptime of my server
00:38 <spidey> see what it says
00:38 <Vanhayes> nothing
00:38 <spidey> Vanhayes, i have a NICE modded mirc client you can use
00:38 <spidey> if you want it
00:39 <Vanhayes> what is modded on it?
00:39 <spidey> it shows uptime
00:39 <spidey> os info
00:39 <spidey> nic card info
00:39 <spidey> extc
00:39 <spidey> lots of options
00:39 <wrtlprnft> there's a nice modded bot in here that does the same
00:39 <Vanhayes> meh, I dont really need any of that
00:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft, we're talking about a client..not a bot :p
00:39 <wrtlprnft> so?
00:39 * Vanhayes pokes armabot
00:39 <ghableska> :P
00:40 <wrtlprnft> why would my client need to give away information about me
00:40 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> that's what CTCP is for, if you want it
00:40 <Vanhayes> #poke armabot
00:40 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick...
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> I bookmarked that easybyte page, there's lots of songs on there I'd like to fool with :)
00:40 <Vanhayes> er wait that upyime works but not in channel
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00:41 <Vanhayes> it only works to tell how long freenode server is up for
00:42 <spidey> lol
00:42 <Vanhayes> Server Up 13 days, 18:26:30
00:42 <Vanhayes> * Highest connection count: 6584 (6583 clients) (131609 since server was (re)started)
00:42 <spidey> O_o
00:43 <wrtlprnft> does windows even have an uptime command?
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #u
00:43 <armabot> spidey: 00:43:00 up 78 days, 46 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.12
00:43 <spidey> no
00:43 <wrtlprnft> that clock needs some adjusting
00:43 <spidey> but you could do like i did
00:43 <wrtlprnft> 23 seconds ahead
00:43 <spidey> my windows install was close to nix
00:43 <spidey> ls listed directories
00:43 <wrtlprnft> install cygwin :P
00:43 <spidey> i could compile
00:43 <spidey> etc
00:44 <spidey> i want to install kde on windows
00:44 <spidey> lol
00:44 <wrtlprnft> bah
00:44 <spidey> wanna bet i can do it? :p
00:44 <wrtlprnft> uh, people have tried
00:44 <wrtlprnft> it's kdelibs that isn't easy to port iirc
00:44 <spidey> but i haven't yet :p
00:46 * spidey attempts it
00:47 * ghableska watches
00:47 <spidey> O_o
00:47 <ghableska> :P
00:49 <wrtlprnft> at least that was when i was trying to find out if there was any chance of getting kopete ported anytime soon
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh, they've gto God Save the Queen
00:49 <wrtlprnft> bah
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> somehow I don't think it's the SEx pistols song either
00:49 <ghableska> O_o
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00:50 <Vanhayes_> spidey, you didnt have xchat you had Xchat 2
00:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: where's your port now? I'm waiting!
00:52 <spidey> lol
00:52 <Vanhayes_> Xchat 2 seeems to be a completely free one that looks exactally like Xchat
00:52 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:52 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:53 <ghableska> cya
00:53 * Vanhayes_ kicks Vanhayes
00:53 <Vanhayes_> cya
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00:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/stuff.ogg.m3u <--- here's a stream I"ll leave running for a little while
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01:07 <mkzelda> im tuned in
01:07 <spidey> are not
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01:07 <ghableska> O_o
01:07 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
01:08 <mkzelda> sounds like a snes game
01:09 <mkzelda> isnt imperial march some famous piece played backwards?
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01:09 <mkzelda> or segments of it
01:12 <mkzelda> haha, something about that music is making my dogs sniff the speakers
01:13 <mkzelda> thats some smelly music luci
01:15 * Vanhayes is away:
01:15 * Vanhayes is away:
01:15 * Vanhayes is away:
01:15 <Vanhayes> hmm
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01:19 * Vanhayes test
01:19 <Vanhayes> er
01:20 * Vanhayes test
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> one of the songs on the list is the midi song I wrote for Crimson Fields
01:20 <spidey> lol
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> rendered to ogg vorbis with timidity
01:21 <spidey> [spidey] (n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles
01:21 <spidey> O_o
01:22 <Vanhayes> #echo /action is me
01:22 <armabot> /action is me
01:22 <spidey> #echo "#action lol"
01:22 <armabot> #action lol
01:22 <spidey> O_o
01:22 <spidey> #action lol
01:23 <spidey> mm
01:23 <Vanhayes> #echo "/action is me"
01:23 <armabot> /action is me
01:23 <Vanhayes> bah
01:23 <spidey> lol
01:23 <spidey> man these mirrors are slo
01:23 <spidey> slow
01:23 * spidey is downloading the xserver packages and kde
01:23 <spidey> for the windows box O_o
01:24 <Vanhayes> something
01:24 <Vanhayes> heh
01:27 <spidey> almost done downloading
01:27 <spidey> worse case,i'll have lots of junk that'll take me months to remove
01:27 <spidey> best case i have kde on windows :p
01:29 <Vanhayes> id say its gonna turn out to be worst case
01:29 <spidey> knowing my luck
01:29 <spidey> probably
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> #action kicks spidey
01:33 <mkzelda> yea but the worst case sounds like windows on any other day
01:34 <spidey> lol
01:34 <spidey> looky there
01:34 <mkzelda> this is a great amon tobin mix
01:34 <spidey> i got x installed :p
01:36 <mkzelda> amon makes breaks from spitting and farting
01:36 <mkzelda> sounds, that is
01:36 <mkzelda> beans beans the musical fruit
01:36 <Lucifer_arma> amon tobin mix?
01:37 <mkzelda> its a breezeblock session from 2000
01:37 <mkzelda> charlie brown sample
01:37 <mkzelda> "i got a rock"
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, install hydrogen or write a drum sequencer?
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> because hydrogen doesn't do enough for me....
01:40 * Lucifer_arma decides on a drum sequencer for some reason
01:45 <spidey> xserver installed
01:45 <spidey> now for kde
01:50 <spidey> man this hurts my neck
01:50 * spidey finds another place for the other monitor
01:52 <luke-jr__> spidey: I suggest *not* 'emerge kde' ever =p
01:52 <spidey> why?
01:52 <luke-jr__> I suggest 'emerge kdebase-meta' and from there individual apps, like 'emerge kmail'
01:52 <luke-jr__> emerging the full KDE is way more than you'll care for
01:52 <luke-jr__> I mean, do you really need a Mr. Potato Head game?
01:52 <luke-jr__> Not to mention the compile time
01:53 <spidey> lol
01:53 <luke-jr__> and how many people want to learn *both* Japanese and Latin?
01:54 <luke-jr__> BTW, KDE 3 doesn't work on Windows
01:54 <luke-jr__> only KDE 4+
01:55 <luke-jr__> did you give up on Gentoo and *nix in general?
01:55 <spidey> cat /proc/version
01:55 <spidey> er
01:55 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.15-1-586tsc (Debian 2.6.15-3.ww1) (ww@mepis.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #2 PREEMPT Wed Feb 1 17:40:51 EST 2006
01:55 <spidey> anyways
01:56 <spidey> kde3 runs on windows
01:56 <spidey> http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/kde3/
01:56 <luke-jr__> it doesn't completely work
01:56 <luke-jr__> not even on OS X, which has a Qt 3 port
01:56 <luke-jr__> partially because KDE 3 requires X11
01:57 <spidey> um....
01:57 <spidey> i've done installed X11 :)
01:57 <spidey> cygwin has X11 for windows
01:57 <spidey> which runs as Xwin.exe
01:57 <spidey> :p
01:57 <luke-jr__> that's not really Windows then
01:57 <luke-jr__> =p
01:57 <spidey> lol
02:00 * spidey hates those old ass mice that use balls
02:00 <spidey> mm
02:00 <spidey> gentoo deluxe or debian
02:00 * spidey ponders
02:00 <spidey> i'll do debian this time
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02:32 <spidey> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=27249
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03:16 <spidey> zomg :p
03:16 <Fonkay> boom
03:16 <spidey> pow
03:16 <Fonkay> that was easier than expected
03:16 <spidey> LOL
03:16 <spidey> yar it's not hard to use :p
03:17 <Fonkay> i had left out the whole freenode part :/
03:17 <spidey> lmao
03:17 <Fonkay> I'm computer stupid, what can I say
03:18 <spidey> say
03:18 <spidey> boom
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> hi
03:18 <Fonkay> hi
03:18 * spidey is confused
03:18 <spidey> xterm in cygwin sees the kde package i extracted
03:18 <Fonkay> I thought everyone was afk or something to that affect
03:19 <spidey> but when i try to view the dir with iexporer
03:19 <spidey> it doesn't see them
03:19 <spidey> O_o
03:19 <Vanhayes> hello Fonkay
03:19 <Fonkay> hey canuck
03:20 <Vanhayes> heh
03:20 <Vanhayes> #canada2
03:20 <armabot> O Canada! Our home and native land! | True patriot love in all thy sons command. | With glowing hearts we see thee rise, | The True North strong and free! | From far and wide, O Canada, | We stand on guard for thee. | God keep our land glorious and free! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee! | O Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
03:20 <spidey> bah
03:20 <Fonkay> really I'm not sure why i have IRC, this really isn't my place
03:20 <spidey> #help Vanhayes
03:20 <armabot> spidey: (vanhayes <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Vanhayes doesnt like it when $who says his name.".
03:20 <spidey> O_o
03:20 <Vanhayes> #vanhayes
03:20 <armabot> Vanhayes doesnt like it when Vanhayes says his name.
03:21 <Vanhayes> heh got rid of as many spam things as I could find
03:21 <spidey> #Vanhayes
03:21 <armabot> Vanhayes = the sux
03:21 <Vanhayes> grr
03:21 <spidey> better
03:21 <Vanhayes> #fluffy
03:21 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
03:21 <spidey> ?
03:21 <Vanhayes> grr
03:21 * Fonkay is confused
03:21 <Vanhayes> there is a new one
03:21 <spidey> #help Fluffy
03:21 <armabot> spidey: (fluffy <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "spam $*".
03:21 <spidey> O_o
03:21 <spidey> #list alias
03:22 <armabot> spidey: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, (1 more message)
03:22 <Vanhayes> Fonkay, armabot is Lucifer_arma's IRC bot
03:22 <Vanhayes> it does all this stuff
03:22 <spidey> mmm
03:22 <Vanhayes> just have to put # infront of the command
03:22 <spidey> #help lucifer
03:22 <armabot> spidey: (lucifer <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Teh #1 Redneck!".
03:22 <Vanhayes> fixed that one
03:22 <spidey> #help luciferarma
03:22 <armabot> spidey: (luciferarma <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "spam $*".
03:22 <spidey> eek
03:23 <spidey> who changed them?
03:23 <Vanhayes> no clue
03:23 <spidey> wan't me...i was banned from it when it happened :p
03:23 * spidey looks at wrtlprnft
03:23 <Vanhayes> no
03:23 <Vanhayes> could be just some random guy
03:23 <spidey> maybe
03:23 <Fonkay> god damn player
03:23 <Vanhayes> ?
03:24 <Fonkay> music player is all fucked up fro some reason
03:24 <Vanhayes> is it winamp?
03:24 <Fonkay> it plays one song, and then freezes up and dies
03:24 <Fonkay> no!
03:24 <Vanhayes> winamp is hating me right now
03:24 <spidey> wmp?
03:24 <Fonkay> no winamp or wmp
03:24 <spidey> mmm
03:24 <spidey> musicmatch?
03:24 <Fonkay> it's some other thing
03:24 <Fonkay> quintessential player
03:25 <spidey> wtf's that
03:25 <spidey> O_o
03:25 <Fonkay> it was the one that took up the least amout of CPU usage
03:25 <Fonkay> it's like 2% usage, when it works
03:25 <spidey> appearently it sucks :p
03:25 <Fonkay> so it doesn't freeze up my game when i'm litening and playing
03:25 <Fonkay> it worked fine until a few weeks ago
03:26 <spidey> um
03:26 <spidey> why does the amount of cpu it uses matter?
03:26 <Fonkay> and it plays CD's fine.. but all the CD's i have ripped to my computer don't seem to play well
03:26 <spidey> cds scratched?
03:26 <Fonkay> i think it's the [playlists that's doing it
03:26 <Fonkay> what?
03:27 * spidey ripped some scratched cd's and i somehow got half a song at the beginning
03:27 <spidey> and half another song at the end
03:27 <Fonkay> no, the songs are fine
03:27 <Fonkay> the whole song plays.... then it freezes for a sec, and then stops playing the rest of the play list
03:27 <Vanhayes> who uses CD's on a computer?
03:28 <Fonkay> and i have to exit and reload for it to work again
03:28 <Fonkay> they're not CD's they're CD's that have been ripped onto my compter
03:28 <Vanhayes> heh was talking to spidey
03:28 <Fonkay> oh
03:29 <spidey> Vanhayes, ummm..wtf you on about?
03:29 <Fonkay> so is no one playing arma then?
03:29 <Vanhayes> I am
03:30 <Fonkay> god damnmy compter has gone to shit
03:30 <Vanhayes> I am in bugfarm as :^
03:30 <Fonkay> damn my*
03:31 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (5 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (4 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (3 players) || RaceToWinzone (Testversion) (2 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (2 players) || M0rph1umDuckz D3d1cat3d (1 more message)
03:31 * Lucifer_arma is making stir-fried chicken and pineapple
03:31 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
03:31 <Fonkay> yummy
03:31 <spidey> well wtf
03:31 <Fonkay> i had a makeshift fajita for lunch
03:32 <Fonkay> it wasn't very good though
03:32 <Vanhayes> I had pity bread with pork on it
03:32 <Vanhayes> pita*
03:32 <Vanhayes> heh pity bread
03:32 <Fonkay> hehe pity bread
03:32 <spidey> w3rd
03:32 <Fonkay> oh my, I'm starting to think like hayes... bad sign
03:33 <Fonkay> oo, it worked
03:33 <LuciEatsPeople> what's my favorite tv show?!?
03:33 <spidey> i love luci?
03:33 <LuciEatsPeople> that might be it, lemme try it
03:33 <spidey> lol
03:33 <Fonkay> brb
03:33 <LuciEatsPeople> I'm just guessing :(
03:33 <spidey> ?
03:34 <Fonkay> guessing passwords?
03:34 <Vanhayes> lol
03:35 * Vanhayes uses the same password for everything
03:35 <Fonkay> not good
03:35 <spidey> Vanhayes, so do i
03:35 <spidey> except my computer
03:35 <spidey> i have 3 passwords
03:35 <spidey> 1 to boot it you have to have a password
03:35 <spidey> to change the boot password you have to have the bios password
03:35 <Fonkay> i use the same 4 # code for all my bank accounts
03:36 <spidey> to login to the os you have to have the os password
03:36 <Vanhayes> I mean I use the same password for every signle thing
03:36 <spidey> then to actually do anything from there you have to have the root password: p
03:36 <Vanhayes> I just dont have anything Im scared someone will take
03:36 <Fonkay> even for the bank?
03:36 <spidey> me either
03:36 <spidey> but
03:36 <spidey> i don't like peoples on my computer :p
03:36 <spidey> i fuck it up enough myself
03:36 <spidey> moreless someone else adding to it
03:36 <spidey> lol
03:37 <Vanhayes> even fo the bank
03:37 <Fonkay> i don't have my own computer
03:37 <Vanhayes> tho I only use four out of it
03:37 <Fonkay> unfortunately
03:37 <LuciEatsPeople> now I have to apply for a new pin :(
03:37 * spidey has 2 computers
03:37 <spidey> lol
03:37 <LuciEatsPeople> this is for my fafsa--financial aid for college, so it's a pin I only use once a year
03:37 <spidey> LuciEatsPeople, what you doing?
03:37 <Fonkay> you can't even guess your own fav TV show?
03:37 <spidey> oh
03:37 <LuciEatsPeople> I hate tv!
03:38 * spidey doesn't watch tv
03:38 <LuciEatsPeople> so I tried "tv sucks" "fuck tv", "Red Dwarf" etc
03:38 <spidey> i have p2p clients for that
03:38 <Fonkay> maybe it's something the kids watch
03:38 <LuciEatsPeople> I love Luci and I love Lucifer
03:38 <spidey> LOL
03:39 <Fonkay> god i hate when my dad's music gets mixed in with mine
03:39 <Vanhayes> what kind of music?
03:39 <Fonkay> my dad's?
03:39 <Vanhayes> er ya
03:40 <Vanhayes> heh question was sort of vague
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> now I have to wait three days :(
03:40 <Fonkay> well, he has some weird shit on here
03:40 <Fonkay> actually, i think it might be my mom's music
03:40 <spidey> weird
03:40 <spidey> ls sees the dir
03:40 <spidey> so i cd qt3
03:40 <Fonkay> like wynonna judd /me barfs
03:40 <LuciEatsPeople> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/stuff.ogg.m3u <--- here's a stream I"ll leave running for a little while
03:40 <spidey> it says it doesn't exsist O_o
03:40 * LuciEatsPeople is a spammer
03:40 <spidey> s
03:40 <spidey> p
03:40 <spidey> a
03:40 <spidey> m
03:40 <Vanhayes> lol
03:41 <Vanhayes> wynona judge sounds old
03:41 <Fonkay> right now im listening to APC
03:41 <Vanhayes> 0_o I have -1 in CT
03:41 <Vanhayes> APC?
03:41 <Vanhayes> sounds familiar
03:41 <LuciEatsPeople> heh, it's playing the Crimson Fields song
03:41 <Fonkay> A perfect Circle
03:42 <Vanhayes> ya thats it
03:42 <Fonkay> it's like an angry version of Tool
03:42 <spidey> woot
03:42 <Fonkay> not that Tool is cool calm and collected
03:42 <spidey> |----| this close to kde on windows
03:43 <spidey> if i'd pay more attention to the other computer i'd have it already :/
03:43 <Fonkay> sounds like a waste of time to me spidey
03:43 <spidey> maybe
03:43 <LuciEatsPeople> yeah, why bother getting kde to run in windows when it runs fine in linux?
03:43 <spidey> cause i wanna
03:43 <spidey> and wrtl basically said i couldn't
03:43 <spidey> so i am :p
03:44 <Vanhayes> sound like a complete waste of time to me
03:44 <Fonkay> did you go to the link i sent you spidey?
03:44 <spidey> ummm
03:44 <spidey> you do realize all i do EVERY day is waste time
03:44 <spidey> ?
03:44 <spidey> right
03:44 <spidey> Fonkay, yar
03:44 <Fonkay> yar?
03:44 <spidey> yea
03:44 <Fonkay> what are you a pirate?
03:45 <Vanhayes> Hi ho mateys eh spidey?
03:46 <Vanhayes> hmm that sounded less stupid in my head
03:46 <spidey> ar
03:46 <Fonkay> hehe, lock stock and two smoking barrels was on my music playlist
03:46 <spidey> sliver me timbers
03:46 <spidey> O_o
03:46 <Vanhayes> shiver u mean?
03:46 <Fonkay> shiver*
03:46 <spidey> w/e
03:47 <Fonkay> so what exaclt are the commands for this thing?
03:47 <Fonkay> exactly*
03:47 <LuciEatsPeople> same as in arma
03:47 <LuciEatsPeople> so /team message only sends a message to your team :)
03:47 <Fonkay> ok, easy enough
03:47 <spidey> haha
03:48 * Vanhayes tried it and it didnt work
03:48 <Fonkay> i can shuffle? yay!
03:48 <spidey> * team :Unknown command
03:48 <spidey> /team Vanhayes = the sux
03:48 <Vanhayes> #shuffle f o n k a y
03:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: a o f y n k
03:48 <Vanhayes> heh
03:48 <Fonkay> nice
03:48 <LuciEatsPeople> my stream seems to have stopped
03:49 <Fonkay> i should be sleeping
03:49 <spidey> #shuffle s u p e r c a l a f r a g a l i s t i c s e x p e a l a d o s e s z o m g w t f h a x p l z k t h n x b b q
03:49 <armabot> spidey: p a s l f m x t s z a h a w l k c s i p t s c a a q x f d e a g g b z o h r u t r e l a n x o i b e p e s l
03:49 <Vanhayes> winamp hates me and closes whenever I open it so i wouldnt know
03:49 <spidey> lol
03:49 * Fonkay doesn't have winamp
03:49 <Vanhayes> isnt it like isnt it 15 minutes to 12 there?
03:49 <Fonkay> to 11
03:50 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:50 <Fonkay> in the same time zone as you silly
03:50 <Vanhayes> argh forgot there was no time zone diff
03:50 <Fonkay> but i have to wake up in like 6 hrs
03:50 <Vanhayes> work?
03:50 <Fonkay> and work 10
03:50 <Fonkay> yep
03:50 <Vanhayes> tim hortens?
03:50 <Fonkay> hehe, no
03:51 * Vanhayes is a Timmy ho
03:51 <Fonkay> we do serve coffee though
03:51 <Vanhayes> where at?
03:51 <Fonkay> cora's
03:51 <Vanhayes> never heard of it
03:51 <Fonkay> only for another 3 weeks though
03:51 <Fonkay> there's one in moncton
03:51 <Vanhayes> im more south
03:52 <Fonkay> yea
03:52 <Vanhayes> er maybe
03:52 <Fonkay> but still
03:52 <Vanhayes> what is it?
03:52 <Fonkay> breakfast and lunch restaurant
03:52 <Fonkay> open 6 - 3
03:52 <Vanhayes> nice
03:52 <spidey_> root@abyss ~/opt/kde3/bin
03:52 <spidey_> $ uname -omnrvi
03:52 <spidey_> abyss 1.5.20(0.156/4/2) 2006-07-01 02:22 i686 unknown Cygwin
03:52 <Fonkay> yea, it's nice getting off at a nice time
03:53 <spidey_> windows
03:53 <spidey_> ;x
03:53 <Fonkay> wow, bad sentence
03:53 * Fonkay pokes spidey
03:53 <Vanhayes> ha
03:53 * spidey_ pokes Fonkay
03:53 <spidey> O_o
03:53 <Fonkay> _
03:53 <spidey> _
03:53 <spidey> no
03:54 <Fonkay> i should have drank 3 cups of coffee before bed
03:54 <Fonkay> shouldn't have*
03:55 <Fonkay> so i'm going to go play some arma, and then off to bed
03:55 <spidey> shouldn't've*
03:55 <LuciEatsPeople> got kde running yet, spidey?
03:55 <Fonkay> it's not good to work with sharp knives and hot grills without sleep
03:55 <spidey> 'er
03:55 <Vanhayes> heh try to get of your cafene high?
03:55 <spidey> i only pay attention every now and then
03:55 <spidey> hold on
03:55 <LuciEatsPeople> man, I used to go work stoned off my ass
03:56 <Fonkay> i don't do drugs
03:56 <LuciEatsPeople> they'd make me work the grill because I was useless for anything else when I did that :)
03:56 <Fonkay> but many people at my work come high
03:56 <LuciEatsPeople> well, I don't anymore either, but this was like 12 years ago
03:56 <Vanhayes> I go to work drunk cause I have shitty hours
03:56 <Vanhayes> I get drunk then 3 hours later have to go in
03:57 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/untitled.JPG i've gotten that far
03:57 <Fonkay> omg, i just found vanilla ice on my computer
03:57 <spidey> wait
03:57 <Vanhayes> I hate haveing about 20 people working at a small town tim hortens
03:57 <spidey> wrong picture
03:57 <LuciEatsPeople> wrong screenshot?
03:58 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com/pwn.JPG i've gotten that far
03:58 <LuciEatsPeople> vanilla ice?
03:58 <spidey> that one
03:58 <Fonkay> Ninja Rap from TMNT
03:58 <Vanhayes> lol
03:58 <Fonkay> what a horrible song
03:58 <Fonkay> im not sure how this got on here though
03:58 <LuciEatsPeople> so where's kde?
03:58 <spidey> not there yet :p
03:59 <spidey> i got the base though
03:59 <spidey> that's enough fornow :p
03:59 * Vanhayes attempts to start winamp up again
03:59 <LuciEatsPeople> that's how southerners say "I give up"
03:59 <spidey> not really
03:59 * spidey doesn't give up
03:59 <LuciEatsPeople> really
04:00 <spidey> really
04:00 <spidey> unless i get lazy
04:00 <spidey> i've got this far,i'm not giving up
04:00 <LuciEatsPeople> that's like saying "unless water isn't wet"
04:00 <spidey> haha
04:00 <spidey> water isn't wet
04:00 <spidey> the person that gets in the water is wet
04:00 <spidey> :)
04:01 <LuciEatsPeople> has luke-jr__ taken over your head again, spidey?
04:01 <spidey> LMAO
04:01 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> these wontons would be perfect if I hadn't fried them in butter flavored crisco
04:02 <Vanhayes> argh your stupid winamp plugin is going crazy spidey
04:02 <spidey> ?
04:03 <Vanhayes> pop ups saying Invalid filname
04:03 <Vanhayes> 60 of them
04:03 <Vanhayes> crazy
04:04 <Vanhayes> it got to 83 before I ended the process
04:04 <Vanhayes> now winamp wont work at all
04:05 <Fonkay> wtf is up with fortress?
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna become a rapper, and I'm going to name myself White Chocolate
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm going to run a spell-checker on all my lyrics
04:06 <Fonkay> go to fortress someone
04:06 <Vanhayes> ok
04:07 <Vanhayes> wow lots of bots
04:14 <Vanhayes> heh skip has always had problems
04:26 <Fonkay> ok, time for sleep, g'night
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> 'night Fonkay
04:26 <Fonkay> later
04:26 <Vanhayes> night Fonkay
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04:27 <Lucifer_arma> I am sooooo tired of answering the "Why doesn't my server show up on the list?" question
04:27 <Vanhayes> mmm, the only thing in the house to eat without cooking it was pita bread and peanut butter and a banana
04:30 <spidey> tell them
04:30 <spidey> "router"
04:30 <spidey> "firewall"
04:30 <spidey> only 2 things it is
04:30 <spidey> or "talk_to_master 1"
04:30 <spidey> you should put those 2 things in a part on the wiki and make a instant chat
04:30 <spidey> lol
04:31 <Vanhayes> ?
04:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma I am sooooo tired of answering the "Why doesn't my server show up on the list?" question
04:31 <Vanhayes> tell who?o
04:31 <Vanhayes> er
04:31 <Vanhayes> o*
04:31 <spidey> whoever says "why doesn't may server show up on the list?"
04:31 <spidey> keep up man
04:31 * Vanhayes will do so
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> so you had a banana peanut butter pita sandwich?
04:39 <Vanhayes> How can i die but still have .4 rubber left?
04:39 <Vanhayes> yes I did
04:39 <Vanhayes> quite good too
04:39 <spidey> um
04:39 <spidey> i've had same problems
04:39 <spidey> only mine
04:39 <spidey> i die with half rubber left
04:39 <Vanhayes> is more left
04:39 <Vanhayes> ya same here
04:40 <spidey> like i touch a wall
04:40 <spidey> boom
04:41 <Vanhayes> ya but it even shows on the meter I have rubber left
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04:47 <Vanhayes> #list
04:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
04:47 <luke-jr__> Catherine is trying to stick a graham cracker up her nose
04:50 <Vanhayes> why?
04:50 <Vanhayes> hmm I think skip is trying to so something in Bugfarm
04:56 <spidey> er
04:56 <spidey> i fucked up somewhere
04:56 <spidey> i'll restart tomorrow when i have time to actually pay attention to that monitor
04:56 <spidey> O_o
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm just going to install hydrogen
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/bass.ogg.m3u <--- can you hear drums?
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05:37 <spidey> kafeine doesn't stream it :/
05:37 <spidey> well it does
05:38 <spidey> but i can't hear anything
05:38 <spidey> nvm
05:38 <spidey> i hear it
05:38 <spidey> O_o
05:40 <spidey> ok now it stopped
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> did you hear the drums?
05:43 <spidey> yst
05:43 <spidey> yar
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> and bass?
05:43 <spidey> yea
05:43 <spidey> it stopped though
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool. :)
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I just stoped it.
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> my wife also interupted me at some point to nag
05:43 <spidey> lol
05:43 <spidey> that must have been the first stop
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> probably
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> she sees me playing my bass and figures I'm not doing anything important
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I say "just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it's not important"
05:44 <spidey> lol
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> anyway kaffeine wouldn't stream it to me because I had the sound card being used by other things so I couldn't check it myself, thanks
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> had to install aumix again, kmix wouldn't let me pick an output device for my capture device :(
05:45 <spidey> mmm
05:45 <spidey> ok,though i'm not sure what that means,lol
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, normally you pick the microphone as your capture device, right?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, that's the most common default setting
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> but what if you want someone to hear what you hear?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> anyway
05:46 * Lucifer_arma is smoking, bbiab
05:47 <spidey> ah
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05:56 <spidey> it's back O_o
05:57 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_ what setting controls being able to pass thru walls?
05:58 <spidey> respawn?
06:08 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: it's automatically disabled if someone uses an old client
06:09 <Vanhayes> so there is no command for it?
06:09 <luke-jr_> CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME or smth
06:14 <Vanhayes> hmm i see if has his race server back up
06:14 <Vanhayes> #night
06:14 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:46 <spidey> i just ripped a chunk of skin with a tick attacked to it out
06:46 <spidey> O_o
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> man, I ripped something off my face last night that looked really weird. It looked like a tick, but when I split it with my hand it came apart like wax,
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> not like a bloody tick
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> it had been embedded in my cheek, I wonder if there's a hole now
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> why are there two spideys?
07:02 <spidey> ?
07:02 <spidey> oh
07:02 <spidey> one's on the windows box
07:03 <spidey> and the mouse came unplugged and i don't feel like crawling under it and plugging it back in
07:03 <spidey> so for it sits there
07:07 <spidey> oot@fbi.gov[Desktop]# ./armagetronad-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package
07:07 <spidey> bash: ./armagetronad-0.3.0.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package: Permission denied
07:07 <spidey> wtf
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07:48 <Lucifer_arma> chmod uga+x armagetronad*.package
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> or
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> sh armagetronad*.package
07:59 <spidey> got it
07:59 <spidey> used bash
08:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, there's this bug i keep getting and this one's not just on mbc
08:05 <spidey> i get it on fortress aswell
08:06 <spidey> i die with <2/3 rubber
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> got a recording? post it on the forums? ;)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> or just call BUG when it happens and describe it...
08:08 <spidey> mmm
08:08 <spidey> i can get a recording,but do i have to post on the forums....i dunno what to say :/
08:08 <spidey> and brb i'm getting bad lag,need to restart the router
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08:11 <mkzelda> i played mbc for the first time in a year a few days ago
08:11 <mkzelda> had that prob a lot
08:11 <mkzelda> dying w/ no rubber usage at all
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08:11 <mkzelda> something insane like 45 rubber there
08:11 <mkzelda> die the sec i approached a wall
08:11 <spidey> ?
08:11 <mkzelda> that bug @ mbc
08:11 <spidey> it's not just mbc
08:12 <spidey> i get it everywhere
08:12 <mkzelda> yea, but iw as saying i got it
08:12 <mkzelda> i'd used no rubber, and ran up to a wall and died
08:12 <spidey> yea
08:12 <mkzelda> w/ 45 rubber u should be able to just run into it for like 10 secs
08:12 <spidey> heh
08:12 <mkzelda> 5 minutes
08:12 <mkzelda> heh
08:13 <spidey> with break even longer
08:13 <spidey> :p
08:13 <spidey> back to tron
08:13 <mkzelda> arg
08:13 <mkzelda> no amd64 livecd exists w/ kernel headers >= 2.6.16 and reiser4 support
08:13 <mkzelda> ive been locked outta my machine for 2 months now
08:14 <mkzelda> rr64 theoretically has it but the reiser4 support is broken
08:14 <mkzelda> older version's reiser4 works but the headers are 2.6.11
08:15 <mkzelda> i try to compile glibc and it says kernel too old
08:16 <mkzelda> arg, uname -r = 2.6.16-reiser4-r3-nosmp
08:16 <mkzelda> mount /dev/sda3 -t reiser4 /mnt/gentoo
08:16 <mkzelda> unknown filesystem type 'reiser4'
08:16 <mkzelda> heh, go figure
08:16 <mkzelda> reiser4 in the kernel name
08:34 <spidey> fuck man
08:34 <spidey> i'm getting some major lag
08:34 <spidey> for no reason
08:34 * spidey tests connection speed
08:37 <spidey> omg
08:37 <spidey> OMG
08:37 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
08:37 <spidey> 28kbps
08:37 <spidey> upload
08:37 <spidey> that's like
08:37 <spidey> 2.5kb/s
08:37 <spidey> wtf
08:38 <spidey> NO WAY
08:38 <spidey> Last Result:
08:38 <spidey> Download Speed: 2956 kbps (369.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
08:38 <spidey> Upload Speed: 6 kbps (0.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
08:38 <spidey> what the hell is that about
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08:55 <spidey> man
08:55 <spidey> my isp's gonna get a bitching like never before
08:56 <spidey> this is getting to be bullshit
08:56 <spidey> actually
08:56 <spidey> it bullshit after the 4th rain
08:57 <spidey> i'ma tell them i'ma start recommending people to bellsouth cause charter sucks
08:57 <spidey> lol
09:17 <wrtlprnft> spidey: any progress with kde?
09:17 <spidey> i got the base down but i fucked up somewhere at the beginning
09:18 <spidey> so i'ma restart it today when i can find a place for the monitor where it doesn't kill my neck
09:19 <spidey> for now
09:19 <spidey> my main worries
09:19 <spidey> is getting my upload speed above .8kb/s
09:19 <spidey> which is gonna require bitching at my isp some more
09:20 <mkzelda> ouch
09:20 <mkzelda> dialup is faster
09:21 <mkzelda> tell them u've bridged your dialup to your cable for uploads
09:21 <mkzelda> so you could go 4 times faster than cable
09:21 <mkzelda> 5 or 6 times actually
09:22 <spidey> LOL
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09:22 <spidey> i dunno
09:22 <spidey> but a .8kb/s upload is bullshit
09:22 <mkzelda> sure is
09:23 <spidey> specially on cable
09:23 <spidey> :|
09:23 <mkzelda> i thot 45k/s sux
09:23 <mkzelda> .8 has to limit your download too
09:23 <mkzelda> cause of the negotiation needed
09:23 <spidey> my normal upstram is about 30kb/s
09:23 <spidey> no i get my full download
09:24 <spidey> 360+kb/s
09:24 <mkzelda> just to make sure, your cat5 is in good condition right
09:24 <mkzelda> ?
09:25 <spidey> cat5?
09:25 <mkzelda> your ethernet cabling
09:25 <spidey> oh
09:25 <spidey> yea
09:25 <spidey> it's new
09:25 <mkzelda> cause i've had that problem when i had a wire under the carpet and my chair managed to rub the wires inside the outer insulation coat
09:25 <spidey> no that's not the problem
09:25 <spidey> but
09:25 <mkzelda> had enough noise to cause trouble w/ outbound or incoming
09:26 <mkzelda> as if it was half duplex
09:26 <spidey> just to check i've got another set i haven't taken out of the case yet
09:26 <spidey> brb
09:26 <mkzelda> twisted pair came untwisted
09:27 <spidey> lol @ a 4ft cable
09:27 <mkzelda> i wired my whole house w/ cat6
09:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 4ft in m
09:27 <armabot> 4 feet = 1.2192 meters
09:27 <mkzelda> put boxes in the walls of every room
09:28 <mkzelda> i could have a sweet lan party
09:28 <mkzelda> if i had any friends
09:28 <mkzelda> haha
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09:28 <wrtlprnft> aren't there other DpG guys?
09:29 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was some sort of programming club
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09:29 <spidey> ok
09:29 <spidey> brb testing speeds
09:30 <mkzelda> there are 2 of us in dpg
09:30 <mkzelda> flea and i
09:30 <spidey> lol
09:30 <spidey> upload start is taking forever
09:31 <mkzelda> i've known him for like 13 years
09:31 <spidey> i dun think it's fonna work
09:31 <mkzelda> we started dpg when we made our high school's website
09:31 <spidey> O_o
09:32 <wrtlprnft> just 2? I thought there was more
09:32 <mkzelda> nah
09:32 <mkzelda> its not really a clan, as we dont do anything other than tag ourselves and our work w/ dpg
09:32 <mkzelda> i mean, we dont get involved in that stuff like starting wars and stuff
09:33 <spidey> Last Result:
09:33 <spidey> Download Speed: 2954 kbps (369.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
09:33 <spidey> Upload Speed: 32 kbps (4 KB/sec transfer rate)
09:33 <spidey> LOL
09:33 <mkzelda> woooo sweet
09:33 <mkzelda> you're rockin now
09:33 <spidey> i'm moven up in class dood
09:33 <spidey> a whole 4kb/s
09:33 <mkzelda> you just moved up to dialup
09:33 <mkzelda> congrats
09:33 <spidey> actually
09:34 <spidey> i was on dialup
09:34 <spidey> 14.4k
09:34 <spidey> :p
09:34 <mkzelda> yea that wont go that fast
09:34 <spidey> lol
09:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:34 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Earth -- mother of the most beautiful women in the universe. || -- Apollo, "Who Mourns for Adonais?" stardate 3468.1
09:35 <spidey> hahahah
09:35 <spidey> check out my upstream signal
09:35 <spidey> Name
09:35 <spidey> WebSTAR DPX110
09:35 <spidey> Modem Serial Number
09:35 <spidey> SM0232180
09:35 <spidey> Cable Modem MAC Address
09:35 <spidey> 00:40:7B:3E:54:9E
09:35 <spidey> Hardware Version
09:35 <spidey> 3.0
09:35 <spidey> Software Version
09:35 <spidey> 1.0.5 r1.1.3.1-041125 (dpx110-v105r1131-rw-041125a.bin)
09:35 <spidey> Receive Power Level
09:35 <spidey> 0.02 dBmV
09:35 <spidey> Transmit Power Level
09:35 <wrtlprnft> ...
09:35 <spidey> 46.00 dBmV
09:35 <wrtlprnft> ...
09:35 <spidey> 46db!
09:35 <wrtlprnft> ...
09:35 <mkzelda> hehe
09:36 <spidey> wrtlprnft, the higher the db the lower the speed
09:36 <spidey> just so you know...
09:36 <mkzelda> are u splitting the cable?
09:36 <spidey> nope
09:36 <spidey> i disconnected the router
09:36 <spidey> thought that was the problem
09:36 <spidey> but appearently wasn't
09:37 <mkzelda> how is tron w/ that fantastic connection
09:37 <spidey> actually
09:37 <spidey> in mbc
09:37 <spidey> i manage to keep a 69-78 ping
09:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the higher the noise please
09:38 <spidey> db/noise samething
09:38 <wrtlprnft> hech, won't those americans ever get that you shouldn't mix up units and dimensions?
09:38 <wrtlprnft> *heck
09:39 <spidey> won't those europeans ever learn how to spell meters :)
09:39 <wrtlprnft> ?!
09:39 <mkzelda> haha
09:39 <wrtlprnft> it's just britain and canada afaik
09:39 <mkzelda> how about loose and lose
09:39 * wrtlprnft knows how to spell "lose"
09:39 <mkzelda> cause u do a lot of it
09:40 <mkzelda> :D
09:40 <spidey> hahahah
09:40 <wrtlprnft> how about they're and their spidey?
09:40 <spidey> they're = they are
09:40 <wrtlprnft> or it's and its for that matter
09:40 <spidey> and their = a place
09:40 <mkzelda> hahahaha
09:40 <spidey> it's = it is
09:40 <mkzelda> there = a place
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there = ?
09:40 <spidey> O_o
09:40 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i know, but you mix it up all the time
09:40 <spidey> hey i never said i was good at english
09:40 <spidey> infact
09:40 <spidey> it's my lowest subject
09:40 <spidey> :)
09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> infarct :P
09:41 <mkzelda> their = plural posessive
09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they're cool with their car there
09:41 <spidey> O_o
09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> did i mention i'm not a native english speaker?
09:42 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: more likely their more cool with they're car there
09:42 <spidey> me either
09:42 <spidey> my native language is jibberish
09:42 <spidey> Last Result:
09:42 <spidey> Download Speed: 2956 kbps (369.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
09:42 <spidey> Upload Speed: 11 kbps (1.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
09:42 <spidey> i just got downgraded!
09:42 <mkzelda> time to see if lagfarm is just a bunch of ppl tking still
09:42 * spidey attempts to play
09:42 <spidey> lol
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try and play some too
09:45 <spidey> wow
09:45 <spidey> 500+ ping
09:45 <spidey> awesome fpsthough
09:45 <spidey> i had 80-90
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> for me it's the other way around :P
09:53 <spidey> 500 fps!?!?!?!?
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sometimes
09:53 <spidey> omg you suck
09:53 <spidey> gimme your card :p
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> geforce 6800gt
09:53 <spidey> O_o
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> amd athlon 64
09:54 <spidey> i wonder
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> running linux and everything in 64 bit
09:54 <spidey> heh
09:54 <spidey> 32 bit runs hella faster on a 32bit processor
09:54 <spidey> wait
09:54 <spidey> 32 bit runs hella faster on a 64bit processor
09:54 <spidey> 32 bit OS runs hella faster on a 64bit processor
09:54 <spidey> i'll get something right one of these days,i promis
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and 64bit is even faster
09:55 <spidey> promise!!!!!
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> iirc 32 bit OS runs slower on 64 bit CPUs
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but not remarkably
09:55 <spidey> no
09:55 <spidey> 64bit os runs slower on a 32bit processor
09:55 <spidey> 32bit = faster ;x
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 64 bit doesn't run at all on 32 bit cpu
09:55 <spidey> mmm
09:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> just like you can't play quake4 with an nvidia riva
09:56 <spidey> like i said
09:56 <spidey> i'll get something right one of these days,i promise
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10:05 <spidey|sleep> ^^^just to annoy wrtlprnft
10:05 <spidey|sleep> :p
10:27 <mkzelda> i get about 900fps
10:27 <mkzelda> doesnt help lag one bit tho
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bit, natively compiled on a 64-bit processor runs about 20% slower than the same software compiled as 32-bit applications run on the same processor
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> so if performance is what you need, you're usually better off running 32-bit on a 64-bit machine. Or so I hear, anyway.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, if you actually need 64 bits of addressing space and all the perks that go with it, 32-bit applications will run hugely slower, if at all, because they have to go to the bus twice for each address
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, you can't link (afaik) a 32-bit app to a 64-bit library. So you either have to maintain a separate lib directory for each one, or you have to take a stand and compile all to one
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, if someone would like to send me a nice opteron system so I can test all this for myself.....
10:40 <wejp> it is not true that a 64 bit binary runs slower than a 32 bit one
10:40 <wejp> at least not on amd64
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, basically, databases run slower on the whole
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, my information is several years old now and is basd on the first opterons that came out
10:41 <wejp> it can even be faster actually, if it makes use of the extra registers the cpu has in 64 bit mode
10:41 <wejp> and a good compiler should do that
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> they benchmarked mysql, apache, and a kernel compile (they being the people that wrote the article I'm remembering)
10:42 <wejp> several years ago the compilers (at least gcc) wasn't optimised for amd64 at all
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> this would also be several significant gcc versions ago :)
10:42 <wejp> yeah
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> subjectively, it seems like the arma servers running on 64-bit systems are more lag-free :)
10:43 <wejp> ;)
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, in the article I read they disabled whatever 32-bit optimizations they could, but I can see how that would skew the results significantly
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> two unoptimized binaries are not equivalent!
10:44 <wejp> yeah that doesn't make much sense. noone would use such binaries anyway
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> they were trying to compensate for not having optimization for 64-bit
10:45 <wejp> well yeah, but they actually can't compensate for that
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> they compared it to optimized 32-bit binaries because you need a control group if you're trying to be experimental
10:47 <wejp> another advantage of 64 bit cpus vs. 32 bit is, that you don't have this lowmem/highmem thing on 64 bit
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> what makes the most reasonable sense to me is that they'd run at the same speed, assuming comparable optimizations available, or slightly faster becasue of the incremental improvement the 64-bit processors have over the 32-bit ones
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> where slightly faster are the 64-bit binaries that can actually take advantage of the processor's architecture
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters much to me, we need more bits. :) The transition to 64-bit is inevitable, and it will be better in the long run anyway
10:49 <wejp> yes, they are not faster because it is 64 bit (unless you need huge amounts of memory), but because the cpu has features the 32 bit cpu does not have
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i remember my own tests (i know they weren't very extensive) where i found out that my amd64@2ghz is 5 times faster than the p4@2.4ghz
10:50 <wejp> wow
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, database and web servers both strike me as applications that should be faster because they can use their ram caches better
10:50 <wejp> yeah
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> but arma, surprisingly enough, *shouldn't* be faster because it doesn't use much memory, and most of the work is in the video card anyway
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe the 64-bit thing means more data can be sent to the vid card, but I don't see it affecting servers much
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> maybe better floating point accuracy?
10:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> on a server there is _noting_ done by the vid card ;)
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> right, but there's also nothing done on a server that isn't also done on a client :)
10:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> 2
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> ?
10:52 <wejp> arma servers aren't very cpu demanding anyway
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> tell that to my server
10:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1 = true
10:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wejp: so why can't i run a tron server on my sparc?
10:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (running at 150mhz)
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> can you get it to compile?
10:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean... with 2 players online it is at 100% cpu usage
10:53 <wejp> oh, ok that can be a little to slow actually
10:53 <wejp> but it runs fine on a 600 MHz VIA C3 cpu, which isn't the fastest one out there ;)
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, umm, what version? and what's DEDICATED_FRAMERATE (or whatever it's called) set at?
10:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and why can't you make the tron server take advantage of smp systems?
10:54 <wejp> probably because it isn't multithreaded
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> that would require adding threading and crap
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10:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... it would certainly make things better...
10:54 <wejp> not neccessarily
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh. two smp implementations aren't necessarily equal either
10:55 <wejp> yeah
10:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> perhaps getting a new server machine would make things better too
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect it would make things worse on windows, which already has problems with too many processes
10:55 <wejp> and making a non-threaded application threaded is non-trivial
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it would arguably make things slightly worse on single-cpu systems, which is what most people around here have anyway
10:56 <wejp> yeah
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but most people also have decent machines...
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> the only place I see it being terribly useful is also the worst place to put it, which is in the network polling.
10:56 <wejp> well even though i have a smp machine i still prefer it the way it is
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> On the one hand, you get better framerates because you're not waiting on the network for anything
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand, you get messages arriving out of order locally. ack! what a pain! Imagine what lag will look like then!
10:57 <wejp> hm, ok at least the network stuff should probably rtun in a seprate thread
10:57 <wejp> maybe that is way the fps vary so much
10:57 * Lucifer_arma admits he hasn't been deep enough in there to see it
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's why local games have so much more fps, but z-man recently committed a change that adds a timeout to one of the polling functions that wsn't previously there
10:58 <wejp> i think armagetron often runs too slow considering the not very advanced graphics
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> my fps went up a bit after that change...
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the general "runs too slow" complaint isn't actually related to threading or anything, I think. It has more to do with the pile of spaghetti....
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's a lot of code that's not optimized, period.
10:59 <wejp> well i don't know what causes it
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's some profiling going on, so hopefully we'll be identifying more of the bottlenecks. In 0.3 and the trunk the biggest bottleneck is the map
11:00 <wrtlprnft> no, tables are
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> at least, according ot the last profiler output I saw
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> really? tables overtook the map?
11:00 <wejp> that'll be good, there must be plenty of room for optimizations
11:01 <wrtlprnft> depends on your cockpit i guess
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> great, now everytime philippeqc posts we have to see a picture of someone's hands holding Pauly Shore's head
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> ah, my cockpit doesn't have many/any tables in it
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> it has one, I think. Maybe two
11:01 <philippeqc> o poor you lucifer
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> :P
11:01 <wejp> ;)
11:02 <philippeqc> though you'd be tired of my avatar by now
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> this will be a pleasant change. :)
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> are you, perhaps, related to Pauly Shore? I know that's not his real name....
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> You're *not* Pauly Shore, of course, his english is worse than yours
11:03 <philippeqc> O thanks lucifer, you always leave with this warm and fuzzy feeling ;)
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, we need a check in configure for boost at some point. I put a bug for it on sourceforge, we definitely need it before we do 0.3.1. :)
11:04 <philippeqc> I'll have to call my buddy Pauly, and he'll pay you a visit ;)
11:04 * Lucifer_arma wants to use boost's threading classes to try to sneak threading into the game :)
11:05 <philippeqc> wonders what you'd like to thread in the game.
11:06 <philippeqc> I though game pretty much had to follow a "animate render repeat" pattern
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have to thread some stuff in the sound engine, no choice about it. Since I'll be taking that over instead of letting sdl deal with it, we'll finally have some noticeable threading code
11:08 * philippeqc admit of not knowing much about the realities of sound
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, basically, you have to fill the sound card's buffers before they run out, adn you have to guarantee that fill. So that's one thread.
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> Then you have to read ahead for streaming sound files (like music), and you have to read far enough ahead that you don't starve the first thread
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> and you can't do the reading in the thread that fills the sound card's buffers, so that's a second thread
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> openAL provides one of these threads, I think, and sdl also provides one, and sdl_mixer hides the facts from you completely, so I have to provide at least the one that reads the music.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to get to bed, calc test tomorrow and I still have some studying to do before the test
11:12 <philippeqc> but arent thread totally unrealiable? You can schedule them, and only hope the OS runs them fast enough for your need
11:12 <philippeqc> s/fast/often
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes, and no
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> generally you run your internal buffers large enough that you don't have to worry, as long as your thread gets called often enough
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> but the larger your internal buffers, the more latency, heh
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> another option is to setuid root on the executable, in which case you can get high priority threads whenever you want them
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
11:15 <philippeqc> but then, having those 2, wouldn't just inserting the filling of the buffer in the main loop be as reliable, and without the thread overhead (the coding and debuging part)
11:15 * Lucifer_arma wonders if he'll get more fps if he does that right now
11:16 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about fps vs framerate here*
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not. The standard practice is to divorce the reading and buffer swapping from the gui as much as possible
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you don't want sound to be starved because you're polling the network or keyboard input or rendering crap
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> sure, on a practical level that's still a concern, but conceptually, putting shit into threads works fine :)
11:17 <philippeqc> i know, I've done some threading ;) Just throwing in a word of caution
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> I've been down this road before, I think I can handle it. ;)
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> we'll do as much as possible from the main loop, and that's really all I can say right now. It'll be a bit before I have to deal with it still because I'm going to build on sdl's system first anyway
11:18 <philippeqc> ok
11:18 <philippeqc> sure sounds neat
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> openal has to do some of this work for you, though, because you just tell it "play this sound located <here in memory> at this location" and it applies effects to do it
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so you're still pretty far from the metal, just don't know how far yet
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't do any streaming, so I still have to stream from disk for music myself.
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, to bed! ;)
11:20 <philippeqc> can openal do space positioning? if I have a 5.1 or 7.1 sound card, can I hear stuff behind me?
11:20 <philippeqc> cya
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> yes
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> it also does doppler shifting :)
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> a few other things
11:20 <philippeqc> neat
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> I admit I'm a bit anxious to hear the initial fortress grind with doppler shifting
11:22 <philippeqc> with people passing you and you passing them, all in a very short period of time... that'd be wicked
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5606 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed trail end related simulation accuracy bugs. The rubber code now checks
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: when a trail end will disappear and will simulate exactly to that point. When
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: stuck on a trail end, the moment you're allowed to pass it is thus better
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: defined even when simulating with large timesteps.
11:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, that was this bug on bf fortress yesterday :)
12:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5607 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed AI balancing. AIs are, at the lowest level, always allowed to join a team now. The higher level balancing code is responsible for making sure the joining makes sense.
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12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5608 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5602 to 5607:
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12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: r5607 | z-man | 2006-07-09 12:01:22 +0200 (Sun, 09 Jul 2006) | 1 line
12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed AI balancing. AIs are, at the lowest level, always allowed to join a team now. The higher level balancing code is responsible for making sure the joining makes sense.
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12:20 <wrtlprnft> hmm, I'll wait a while and see if there's anymore glitches before i update my server
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14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/speed_diamond-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Drashia/fortress/cristal-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
14:53 <wrtlprnft> woo another map factoty
14:53 <wrtlprnft> *factory
14:53 * wrtlprnft loves talking to armabot
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16:36 <madmax|pt> hi
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16:53 <ghableska> hi
17:24 <cusco> yo
17:24 <ghableska> O_o
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20:07 <spidey> Last Result:
20:07 <spidey> Download Speed: 2963 kbps (370.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
20:07 <spidey> Upload Speed: 223 kbps (27.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
20:07 <spidey> zomg
20:07 <spidey> it's fixed O_o
20:24 <Vanhayes> whats fixed?
20:24 <spidey> my 4kb/s upload
20:24 <spidey> now i go play lag free tron
20:24 <spidey> bbl
20:24 <luke-jr_> lol
20:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: you should try my server
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> I woke up, can't wait to eat, got my cereal, boy was I beat. Opened the fridge and to my dismay, there's no milk!
20:44 <spidey> :(
20:45 <madmax|pt> that thing sucks
20:45 <spidey> no doubt
20:45 <spidey> i died when there was a visible cycle length still there
20:45 <spidey> :/
20:46 <spidey> hahha@ lucifer
20:57 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: what thing?
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> yay, SP on my server finally works
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> I played as People Eaters, and my teammate that was randomly picked was the AI called Cannibal, haha
20:57 <spidey> lol
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm off to take my calc test, bbl
21:03 <spidey> cya homie!!!
21:15 <wrtlprnft> anyone any clue how i can find out what type of RAM a computer needs without opening it?
21:30 <Niii> http://www.holin.com/cindex.html
21:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: What do you want to know ? the form factor or the timings / speed ?
21:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: For linux http://hosting.planetargon.com/pipermail/pdxlug/2005-May/003231.html
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21:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft, what os?
21:54 <wejp> if it is an socket 939 system one can be sure that it needs ddr ram. socket 370, slot 1 and slot a always need sd-ram
21:55 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: fix sound yet? =p
22:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma = gone
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22:15 <madmax|pt> luke-jr_: the tail thing in bugfarm fort
22:15 <madmax|pt> or should i say, the no tail thing
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22:56 <wrtlprnft> spidey: joda_bot: Linux of course
22:57 <wrtlprnft> it's about getting more RAM for my server, but I don't wanna lose my uptime just for opening it
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23:00 <wejp> wrtlprnft: what kind of cpu does that server have?
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23:05 <wrtlprnft> model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
23:05 * wrtlprnft doesn't know anything about hardware
23:06 <wejp> then you need sd-ram, pc100 should be enough, pc133 is okay too of course
23:06 <wejp> maybe the mainboard of that computer is too old to handle large modules
23:07 <wrtlprnft> ga
23:07 <wrtlprnft> h
23:07 <wrtlprnft> it has three slots i think
23:07 <wejp> so if you insert >128 mb modules it might only detect 128 mb of each module
23:07 <wrtlprnft> long time since i last opened it
23:07 <wejp> yeah 3 or 4 slots are common
23:07 <wrtlprnft> guess i have to look at some stupid siemens site to find the exact specs
23:08 <wejp> if you run "lspci" you can find out more about the chipset used
23:08 <wrtlprnft> RAM is pci?!
23:08 <wejp> no it is not, but the memory controller is part of the chipset
23:09 <wejp> how much memory do you currently have in that machine?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)
23:09 <wrtlprnft> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
23:09 <wejp> ah, ok 440BX chipset
23:09 <wrtlprnft> root@butler # free -m /home/mathias total used free shared buffers cached
23:09 <wrtlprnft> Mem: 122 120 2 0 30 38
23:10 <wejp> that is a pretty good chipset
23:10 <wrtlprnft> that think actually is a server machine
23:10 <wrtlprnft> *thing
23:10 <wrtlprnft> i bought it used a few years ago
23:10 <wejp> oh and the cpu you are using can't handle more than 512 MB ram total
23:11 <wrtlprnft> well, if i can only have 128MB sticks...
23:11 <wrtlprnft> and 3 of them...
23:11 <wejp> yeah that should work
23:11 <wrtlprnft> any chance i can keep the old stick?
23:12 <wejp> if curently only one module is installed you can keep it of course
23:12 <wejp> if you have 2 * 32 + 1 * 64 you're out of luck though ;)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> it's one module i think
23:13 <wrtlprnft> but they don't need to have the same bus frequency or whatever?
23:13 <wejp> ok, then just add one or two modules
23:13 <wejp> they will run at 66 MHz anyway, so it does not matter if you insert PC66, PC100 or PC133 modules
23:14 <wejp> so if you buy new ones you will most likely get PC133
23:14 <wrtlprnft> time for a new server i guess :S
23:14 <wejp> hehe yeah ;)
23:15 <wrtlprnft> gah, gonna be busy tomorrow emerging xorg 7
23:15 <wejp> hehe, i've done that already :D
23:15 <wrtlprnft> last time i tried it worked, but screwed up badly when i closed the cover of my notebook
23:15 <wrtlprnft> ie crashed the whole thing
23:15 <wejp> oh
23:15 <wejp> works fine here so far
23:16 <wrtlprnft> I'd so much like to seriously try XGL without needing to keep te cover open 24/7
23:17 <wejp> i've tried a live cd with xgl a while ago. it looks really nice, but slows down everything quite a bit
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i tried to run one in qemu
23:19 <wrtlprnft> with the result that i waited ten minutes for it to boot just to have it said it didn't support the emulated graphics card
23:19 <wejp> hehe ;)
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23:30 <wrtlprnft> opera has a tendency to eat all my memory over time :S
23:31 <wrtlprnft> o_O that was more than 550MB it just freed
23:31 <wrtlprnft> out of 1024
23:31 <wejp> firefox does the same after a while
23:32 <wrtlprnft> well, i have to admit i have 58 tabs open
23:33 <wejp> hehehe, looks familiar :D
23:33 <wejp> i usually have lots of tabs open
23:33 <wrtlprnft> in 10 rows
23:34 <wrtlprnft> the bad habit comes from the fact that opera saves the tabs it has open if you exit it
23:34 <wrtlprnft> so you never lose them all
23:34 <wrtlprnft> unless you do something stupid
23:35 <wrtlprnft> like, press stupid keybindings that close them all
23:35 <wejp> yeah i like that, i had a plugin for firefox which did the same but lost the plugin when upgrading to firefox 1.5
23:35 <wrtlprnft> opera can do that since version 6 (or earlier, that was when i first tried opera)
23:36 <wejp> yeah i know
23:36 <wrtlprnft> couldn't live without it
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and mouse gestures
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and shift+arrow keys
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and mail
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and rss
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and userjs
23:36 <wejp> i've never liked mouse gestures. tried that once but didn't like it. maybe i should have tried a little longer though
23:37 <wrtlprnft> it's just soo handy if you click on links and don't have your finger on the keyboard
23:37 <wrtlprnft> hitting some back button in the edge of the screen is just too annoying
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i hate that every time i have to use ie
23:38 <wejp> in firefox you can use the backspace key to go back
23:38 <wrtlprnft> in opera too
23:38 <wejp> ah ok
23:38 <wrtlprnft> but if i have a mose (usually don't anymore) i don't have my inger on that key
23:38 <wrtlprnft> *finger
23:39 <wrtlprnft> *mouse
23:39 <wrtlprnft> uh, sign that i should go to bed
23:39 <wejp> ;)
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23:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft, just open the case and look at the room :p
23:58 <luke-jr_> RSS sucks
23:58 <spidey> ram*
23:59 <spidey> or did you find it out alrerady?
23:59 * spidey 's brain is lagging
Log from 2006-07-10:
--- Day changed Mon Jul 10 2006
00:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5609 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): More high timestep accuracy fixes to rubber code. The beginning of rubber usage is now precisely simulated to, we at least try to do the same for the end of rubber usage (it's less important there).
00:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5610 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Streamlined delays. Less delays are made, the console output is no longer forced between rounds, making ping measurements less bouncy then.
00:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5611 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp: Disabled veto debug messages.
00:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the whole point eas
00:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: was to not open the case
00:08 <spidey> why not?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> #u
00:08 <spidey> it's just a few skrews
00:08 <armabot> spidey: 00:08:03 up 79 days, 11 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
00:08 <wrtlprnft> isn't screws at all
00:08 <spidey> well
00:08 <spidey> then what's the problem?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> but I'd have to lose that uptime for that
00:08 <spidey> no you wouldn't....
00:08 <spidey> i open my case all the time without shutting down
00:09 <wrtlprnft> well
00:09 <wrtlprnft> the server is trapped between my desk and the wall
00:09 <wrtlprnft> and some of the cables are too short to pull it out
00:09 <wrtlprnft> including the power one
00:09 <spidey> move the desk?
00:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, nothanks
00:09 <wrtlprnft> too much stuff on it and in its drawers
00:10 <wrtlprnft> uh, and the stuff in one of the drawers includes a huge power bar everything is plugged into
00:13 <spidey> what domain should i get
00:13 <wrtlprnft> and anyways, you're talking to a hardware noob. I couldn't disguinish a sdram module from a ddr one if it doesn't have "DDR" or "SDRAM" printed on it
00:13 <wrtlprnft> in big red letters, that is
00:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft, it says on the ram....
00:14 <wrtlprnft> in big red letters?
00:14 <spidey> no
00:14 <spidey> lol
00:14 <spidey> ok
00:15 * wrtlprnft doesn't even know for sure if it's DDR ram or DRR ram
00:15 <wrtlprnft> RDD? RRD? RRR? DDD? RDR? DRD?
00:17 <spidey> lol
00:17 <spidey> it's ddr
00:17 <spidey> there's
00:17 <spidey> DDR
00:17 <spidey> DDR2
00:17 <spidey> sd
00:17 <mkzelda> rd is another
00:17 <spidey> dimm
00:17 <spidey> simm
00:17 <spidey> rd ?
00:17 <spidey> O_o
00:17 <mkzelda> RDRAM
00:17 <mkzelda> its on this computer
00:17 <mkzelda> rambus
00:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, when you add the ram you're gonna lose the uptime anyways
00:17 <spidey> :)
00:18 <mkzelda> 400mhz rambus was out when competition only had 133mhz
00:18 <mkzelda> got abandoned due to retarded licensing
00:18 <mkzelda> intel only
00:18 <mkzelda> boycotted even
00:18 <mkzelda> rambus made dumb business moves
00:18 <mkzelda> now they have ram measured in ghz in R&D
00:19 <spidey> O_o
00:19 <mkzelda> they're so far ahead of their time and they're so gonna fuck it up again
00:19 <spidey> dude
00:19 <spidey> my ram's only clocked at 133mhz
00:19 <spidey> :/
00:20 <mkzelda> i bought up a ton of p4 motherboards that support rdram
00:20 <mkzelda> cause they're nice/solid
00:20 <spidey> mmm
00:20 <mkzelda> i have 15 or so unused p4 motherboards
00:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i know i will then
00:20 <spidey> gimme one!
00:21 <mkzelda> support 1.3-2.0ghz socket 423, and 2.0-2.2ghz 478's
00:21 <wrtlprnft> but that might be a while until i get up and actually buy the stuff
00:21 <mkzelda> just bought 2x1.3ghz procs for $5 + $10 s/h on ebay
00:21 <spidey> whoa
00:21 <spidey> O_o
00:21 <mkzelda> a 1.6ghz for $20
00:21 <mkzelda> shipped
00:21 <spidey> omg
00:22 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:22 <mkzelda> i'll sell you a board for for whatever shipping costs + $10
00:22 <mkzelda> i bought 40
00:22 <mkzelda> at one point
00:22 <mkzelda> still have 15 or so left
00:22 <spidey> gimme a few days, and i'll see
00:22 <spidey> paypal takes forever to transfer funds
00:23 <spidey> i still got $40 waiting to be transfered from 2 days ago
00:23 <spidey> :/
00:23 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:23 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:24 <mkzelda> they are intel boards
00:24 <mkzelda> Intel D850GB, drawbacks are usb1.1 and agp 4x
00:24 <spidey> supprt p4's?
00:24 <spidey> i gotta p4 at 2.2ghz
00:24 <mkzelda> older (socket 423) p4s
00:24 <mkzelda> and sock 478 w/ a $10 adapter
00:24 <mkzelda> up to 2.2ghz
00:24 <spidey> 3 years olds
00:25 <spidey> i think
00:25 <mkzelda> and they support a lot more ram than they claim
00:25 <spidey> it's the default in the first deminsion 2400's
00:25 <mkzelda> it claims to only support pc600 and pc800
00:25 <mkzelda> but i have not only put pc700 and pc1066 in it, i've mixed the two
00:25 <mkzelda> rdram has to be installed in pairs
00:25 <mkzelda> i had the pairs matching
00:25 <mkzelda> but a pair of pc700 and a pair of 1066
00:26 <mkzelda> and it worked, and the bios reported them as such
00:26 <mkzelda> and the os ran smoothly
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5612 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5607 to 5611:
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: r5611 | z-man | 2006-07-10 00:05:16 +0200 (Mon, 10 Jul 2006) | 1 line
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: Disabled veto debug messages.
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00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: r5610 | z-man | 2006-07-10 00:04:45 +0200 (Mon, 10 Jul 2006) | 1 line
00:27 <mkzelda> http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Memory-for-Desktop-PC_RDRAM_W0QQfclZ1QQfromZ1883QQlotrZ4QQsacatZ11152QQsocmdZListingItemList
00:27 <mkzelda> the ram is the most expensive part you'll find w/ these boards, cause thats the advantage of them
00:27 <mkzelda> but u can see the prices there
00:27 <mkzelda> and decide if you're still interested
00:27 <mkzelda> and remember u must install in pairs (and u must put in CRIMMS in any blank spots)
00:28 <mkzelda> Continuity rimms
00:28 <mkzelda> they're just blanks
00:28 <mkzelda> they cost $1 each
00:28 <mkzelda> i can sell ya 2 w/ the board if needed, if u decide u want one
00:29 <spidey> O_o
00:29 <mkzelda> i get the ram cheap by buying single rdram sticks, since they must be installed in pairs and someone only has one to get rid of
00:34 <spidey> actually
00:34 <spidey> i won't be able to next month
00:34 <spidey> but gimme a bit
00:34 <spidey> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1717760&CatId=318 <<< i'm getting that
00:34 <spidey> ;x
00:36 <mkzelda> i live right by a tigerdirect
00:36 <mkzelda> thats where i bought the 40 motherboards
00:36 <mkzelda> heh
00:36 <mkzelda> they know me there
00:37 <spidey> lol
00:38 <mkzelda> thats $10 cheaper than anywhere else i can find
00:38 <spidey> Maximum Resolution 2048 x 1536 @ 60Hz
00:38 <spidey> i'll love that
00:38 <spidey> i'm at 1280x1024 right now
00:38 <spidey> and still need more room
00:38 <spidey> lol
00:39 <mkzelda> i try to avoid the rebates from there tho
00:39 <spidey> mmm
00:39 <mkzelda> a lot of times i'll submit one and the company will write back and say i dont qualify
00:39 <spidey> LOL'
00:40 <spidey> Operating Systems Support
00:40 <spidey> * Windows� XP (Home or Professional)
00:40 <spidey> * Windows� XP Media Center 2005�
00:40 <spidey> awe man
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm at 1280x800 and find plenty of room
00:40 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, x800!!!???
00:40 <spidey> pssh i wouldn't live
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> I am spread across 4 desktops, though
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> so it's really 1280x800x4 :)
00:41 <spidey> i got 2,and both are usually loaded down
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's with a 80pixel wide kicker on the right side of the desktop, too
00:41 <spidey> O_o
00:42 <mkzelda> my server has 3 heads
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> my dick has 4 heads
00:42 <mkzelda> crazy
00:42 <mkzelda> thats taking dpg to a new level
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> I can satisfy 4 people at once, provided they lay really close to each other
00:42 <spidey> lol
00:43 <mkzelda> i make videos, we'll talk
00:43 * Lucifer_arma thinks he just bombed his calc test
00:43 <mkzelda> i know this chick w/ 2 buttholes, so u can fill 3 holes and have her jerk the other off
00:44 <mkzelda> or maybe doubly penetrate the vag
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, she has to have real little hands, because the 5-inch length is divided by the 4 heads
00:44 <mkzelda> so its more like a mushroom cluster
00:44 <spidey> http://cgi.ebay.com/2GB-Infineon-2x-1G-PC2100-DDR-ECC-266MHz-184-Pin-RAM_W0QQitemZ250006068904QQihZ015QQcategoryZ74942QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
00:45 <spidey> i might get that
00:45 <spidey> O_o
00:46 <spidey> er
00:46 <spidey> i can't
00:46 <spidey> forgot
00:46 <spidey> my board uses pc2700
00:46 <spidey> :/
00:47 <mkzelda> you can go lower
00:47 <mkzelda> usually
00:47 <mkzelda> u just dont want to
00:48 <spidey> actually
00:48 <mkzelda> my ram has leds on it like kit
00:48 <spidey> i can't remember what type
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5162510.stm <-- Bloods and Crips, anyone?
00:48 <spidey> i know both box's use the same type
00:48 <spidey> bloods
00:48 <spidey> crypts
00:48 <spidey> hold on lemme find this cd
00:49 <mkzelda> bloods own the territory where i work
00:49 <mkzelda> all the kids who come to my pool try to teach me the handshake
00:49 <mkzelda> they call cigarettes bigarettes
00:49 <mkzelda> they're pretty stupid
00:49 <mkzelda> hehe
00:50 <spidey> ok
00:50 <spidey> my brother ( the fuckin idiot) wrote this
00:50 <spidey> it's on a cd for some reason
00:50 <spidey> BLOODZ BANG RED CRIPZ BANG BLUE I BANG ANY BITCH THAT FUCKS WIT U SEND THIS 2 ALL
00:50 <spidey> THA REAL HOMMIES THAT U KNO WILL ALWAYZ B THERE 4 U WHEN U NEED EM UR ENEMY STABS
00:50 <spidey> U IN DA FRONT...... UR FRIEND STABS U IN DA BACK...... UR GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND
00:50 <spidey> STABS U IN DA HEART..... BUT ME, UR GOOD FRIEND CARRIES A KNIFE TO STAB THOSE
00:50 <spidey> MUTHAFUCKAS RIGHT BACK...... HoMiEs TiLL ThE FuCkIn EnD !! AnD AfTeR ThAt We StILL
00:50 <spidey> RiDe In H3AvEn! ThI Is A TeSt T0 SeE H0W MaNy H0M13S Y0u H4v3...
00:50 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:50 <spidey> yar
00:51 <spidey> he's also in a kiddie prison now
00:51 <mkzelda> how'd he fit that on a cd
00:51 <spidey> for 6-8 months
00:51 <spidey> lol
00:51 <mkzelda> really thin sharpee?
00:51 <spidey> hahahaha
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I used to know the BK and the CK signs, and I'd use them opposite what they're supposed to be used
00:51 <spidey> no a .txt
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if I was with a blood, I'd show him BK, and if I was with a crip, I'd show CK
00:51 <mkzelda> yea i was kidding
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was exempt from retaliation by virtue of worshipping the devil :)
00:52 <mkzelda> haha
00:52 <spidey> haha
00:52 <mkzelda> im a white boy with an afro
00:52 <mkzelda> i fit in w/ just about anyone b/c i shouldnt fit in w/ anyone
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> just tell them you worship satan, those gangsters are little pussies
00:52 <spidey> tell them you raped there mother
00:52 <spidey> then see if they're still pussies
00:52 <spidey> :p
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> I worked with a crip back at the burger joint, and he used to talk all this shit to me
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> one night I got tired of it and went off back at him, and he backed down to "wait till I have my friends with me"
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> which of course turned into "You need your friends to take me? You little wuss <long string of curses>"
00:53 <mkzelda> i kicked a kid out the other day who kept running his mouth. a coworker told him to 'stfu, nobody loves you'
00:53 <spidey> hahaha
00:53 <mkzelda> haha, he did and hasnt run his mouth since
00:53 <mkzelda> that cut deeper than anything anyone says
00:54 <mkzelda> he actually processed it and realized nobody loves him
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> ouch
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> next time I saw this guy with his friends, they just sat there and tried to pretend I wsn't there. Hard to do with me standing 10 feet from them staring at each in turn,
00:54 <mkzelda> yea, i got in a fight w/ a 300+ lb guy a few years ago, he went and got 5 more 300+ lb guys
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> but oh well.
00:54 <mkzelda> i dont even way 150
00:55 <mkzelda> weigh
00:55 <mkzelda> he was calling me a pussy cause i wouldnt come out of my dorm room
00:55 <mkzelda> but who's the pussy w/ 1500lbs
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was just thinking the correct counter was to go get your car...
00:56 <mkzelda> was dorm room battle, had no resources other than my room
00:57 <spidey> grab a brick or something
00:57 <mkzelda> i did a lot of yelling at him from my window and he backed down, i guess cause he didnt think i'd even go that far, intimidation apparently always worked for him
00:57 <spidey> crack it on there head
00:57 <spidey> xD
00:57 <spidey> besides
00:57 <spidey> they're all 300+kbs?
00:57 <spidey> they gotta be slow :p
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> 300+kbs is pretty fast...
00:57 <spidey> just run around
00:57 <spidey> lol
00:57 <spidey> 300+lbs!
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> just piss on them, probably vain as hell
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> and damn, if the mutherfucker's crazy enough to piss on me, what else is he gonna do?
00:58 <spidey> LOL
00:59 <mkzelda> there was no way out
00:59 <mkzelda> he pissed on my door
00:59 <mkzelda> when i wouldnt leave
00:59 <mkzelda> :/
00:59 <spidey> lol
00:59 <mkzelda> fun days
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit, I've always wanted an opportunity to try out my guitar as a weapon, and that's mostly to see the psychological impact of a long-haired unshaven guy wielding a black lightning bolt
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> besides, it'll probably make a good stabber, seeing as how the head ends on a sharp point :)
01:00 <mkzelda> haha i do have a crazy lookin pointy guitar
01:01 <mkzelda> or use the strings where u clip them to cut
01:01 <mkzelda> slice
01:01 <mkzelda> x6
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> I always consider it a bludgeoning weapon
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> and if the strings and bridge do damage along the way, so much the better, long as it doesn't get stuck to anybody's face
01:02 <mkzelda> yea its hard to play guitar w/s omeone';s face stuck to the end
01:02 <guru3> i want to disapear :(
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> but I think of the scene at the end of the Nothing But A Good Time video where the lead singer swings the guitar around by the strap and trashes it
01:03 <guru3> parents just got back from their trip
01:03 <guru3> and now they're all mad @ me
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
01:03 <guru3> i do believe
01:03 <guru3> they've already stuck me in the
01:03 <guru3> 'fuck up' collimn
01:03 <Lucifer_arma> wanna borrow my guitar, guru3 ?
01:03 <guru3> *collumn
01:03 <guru3> can't play the guitar :/
01:03 <spidey> LOL
01:03 <mkzelda> what'd u do?
01:03 <mkzelda> throw a party while they're gone?
01:03 <guru3> exam results
01:04 <spidey> O_o
01:04 <guru3> i only graduated damnit
01:04 <mkzelda> oh
01:04 <guru3> should have not graduated
01:04 <guru3> probably wouldn't be any angrier
01:04 <guru3> and i coulda done less work
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> needed a 6 6 5 and got a 6 5 5
01:04 <guru3> "oh god! a passing grade! shame on you!"
01:04 <spidey> heh
01:04 <mkzelda> yea stupid
01:04 <mkzelda> why'd u do that
01:04 <spidey> was it a low passing grade?
01:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, when I was a kid, I established quite early for my parents that they couldn't talk enough shit to get me to do better in school, and they were happy I graduated
01:04 <guru3> "you may not go to a first tier engineering school! whatever will we do!"
01:04 <mkzelda> haha
01:05 <guru3> "better learn swedish so you can go to school for free!"
01:05 <spidey> lol
01:05 <mkzelda> i used to lie to my parents about my grades
01:05 <guru3> honestly.
01:05 <guru3> what are they thinking
01:05 <mkzelda> but i'd always low-ball it
01:05 <mkzelda> so they'd be pleasantly surprised
01:05 <guru3> they should try taking it well that i didn't lie damnit
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I had to have them sign the thing, and I couldn't forge for shit
01:05 <mkzelda> i mostly got straight a's
01:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, sign it eh
01:06 <mkzelda> and i'd tell them i had a C
01:06 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i just pretended to lose mine
01:06 <guru3> mkzelda: "pleasently suprised"
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh. Heh, I think I got maybe 4 As total in high school
01:06 <spidey> lol
01:06 <mkzelda> any time they asked
01:06 <guru3> that's my phrase heh
01:06 <guru3> i need "a clear picture of what i need to do"
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> see if you can go to UT instead, it's first-tier engineering, isn't it?
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01:06 <mkzelda> utwente?
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> as a backup plan, of course
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, University of Texas
01:07 <guru3> could i come & live with you? ><
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I don't have enough bedrooms for the kids I already have here. :(
01:07 <guru3> maybe if i'd convince them it'd be cheaper :/
01:07 * Lucifer_arma wonders if it would be cheaper, UT's expensive
01:07 <guru3> i could probably survive living in a tent in the back yard
01:07 <guru3> well striking the uni
01:07 <guru3> could i just live in the backyard?
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's ~$20,000/year if you stay in a dorm
01:08 <guru3> feels like that'd be preferable at the moment
01:08 <spidey> anyone got teamspeak?
01:08 * spidey needs to test this thingy
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, that's for in-state
01:09 <mkzelda> hows this teamspeak work
01:09 <mkzelda> i want it
01:09 <spidey> it's voice chat
01:09 <spidey> and you need a mic :p
01:09 <spidey> lucifer you got it don't you??
01:09 <mkzelda> ill use some headphones if i have to'
01:09 <spidey> www.goteamspeak.com
01:09 <mkzelda> sounds like crap :)
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.utexas.edu/business/accounting/sar/t_f_rates.html
01:10 <guru3> gargh this sucks
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I don't have it since I had to restore my system
01:10 <spidey> :/
01:10 <spidey> guru3 don't you got it? O_o
01:10 <guru3> i do
01:11 <spidey> teamspeak.spidey.no-ip.org << try to connect to that
01:11 <guru3> but like fuck am i going to make noise right now
01:11 <spidey> you don't have to,just try to connect :)
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01:11 <guru3> nope
01:11 <guru3> don't think i will
01:11 <spidey> :(
01:12 <guru3> /bin/sh: teamspeak.spidey.no-ip.org: command not found
01:12 <guru3> teamspeak.spidey.no-ip.org does not exist, try again
01:12 <spidey> ?
01:12 <spidey> you can't ping it or anything
01:12 <guru3> your hostname
01:12 <guru3> is non existent
01:12 <spidey> of course
01:12 <spidey> it's a subdomain
01:12 <guru3> so i'm betting trying to connect
01:12 <spidey> it won't show
01:12 <spidey> :p
01:12 <guru3> wouldn't owrk
01:12 <spidey> now
01:13 <guru3> ?
01:13 <spidey> spidey.no-ip.org
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.engineering-colleges.info/Search/Top_Ranked/top_undergrad.htm
01:13 <spidey> that works
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> UT is at least in the top 50, that list is alphabetical order
01:13 <spidey> teamspeak.spidey.no-ip.org doesn't because it's a subdomain
01:14 <Vanhayes> damnit, whenever you do that my armagetron client pauses
01:14 <spidey> lol
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's also us-centric
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> whenever I do what?
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.engineering-colleges.info/Profiles2/U_Texas_Austin.htm
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> in the top 10 for most of its engineering programs, a few are in the teens instead. You could do worse. :)
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01:16 <Lucifer_arma> "most" should be read as "about half"
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01:43 <spidey> wtf @ this country station playing old ass music
01:44 <spidey> gah
01:44 <spidey> i ran outta water
01:44 <spidey> guess i'm drinking orange juice with my chicken :/
01:50 <Vanhayes> orange juice is good
01:50 <spidey> i like water better
01:50 <spidey> it's all i drink
01:50 <spidey> i drink 6 16.9oz bottles a day
01:50 <spidey> if not more
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02:04 <Vanhayes> #g s6.9 oz in litres
02:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:04 <Vanhayes> #g 6.9 oz in litres
02:04 <armabot> 6.9 US fluid ounces = 0.204057355 litres
02:04 <Vanhayes> #g 0.204057355 * 6
02:04 <armabot> 0.204057355 * 6 = 1.22434413
02:05 <Vanhayes> #g 6.9 oz in litres *6
02:05 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:05 <Vanhayes> #g 6.9 oz in litres * 6
02:05 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:06 <Vanhayes> I like juice, it tastes better than water
02:07 <madmax|pt> you should drink 1.5 litres a day :P
02:07 <spidey> um
02:08 <spidey> they're 500ml bottles
02:08 <spidey> 16.9oz = 500ml
02:08 <spidey> :)
02:08 <madmax|pt> glup
02:09 <madmax|pt> nvm then
02:09 <madmax|pt> lol
02:09 <spidey> #g 16.9oz in liter
02:09 <armabot> 16.9 US fluid ounces = 0.499792652 liter
02:09 <spidey> 16.9*6
02:09 <madmax|pt> liter, litres o_O
02:09 <spidey> #g 16.9*6
02:09 <armabot> 16.9 * 6 = 101.4
02:09 <spidey> #g 101oz in liters
02:09 <armabot> 101 US fluid ounces = 2.9869265 liters
02:09 <spidey> i drink that much
02:09 <spidey> :)
02:09 <spidey> or more
02:10 * spidey continues to compile gyachE
02:11 <madmax|pt> what's that?
02:11 <spidey> a yahoo client
02:11 <spidey> with voice
02:12 * madmax|pt goes to bed.
02:12 <madmax|pt> good night
02:12 <spidey> cya
02:13 <Vanhayes> night madmax|pt
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02:22 <nemostultae> hi
02:23 <Vanhayes> hello
02:30 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5613 /tools/map-preview/ (. branches/ tags/ trunk/): map-preview directories
02:34 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5614 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (17 files in 6 dirs): importing map-preview
02:38 <spidey> 97% [=================================> ] 45,462,560 676.48K/s ETA 00:01
02:38 <spidey> :>
02:39 <nemostultae> :<
02:41 <spidey> 90% [==============================> ] 42,047,024 9.30M/s ETA 00:00
02:41 <spidey> pwn
02:41 <spidey> i need a faster server to test the speed of this server
02:42 <spidey> i got 9mb/s off a 1gbps server
02:42 <Vanhayes> it went from 97% to 90& ?
02:42 <Vanhayes> er 90%*
02:43 <spidey> no
02:43 <spidey> the first download
02:43 <spidey> was from a 1gbps server
02:43 <spidey> the second
02:43 <spidey> was from a gbit server
02:45 <Vanhayes> I see
02:47 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5615 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (. Rakefile):
02:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * Ignore generated files
02:47 <armabot> armagetronad: * coverage should go in doc/
02:47 <Vanhayes> argh thats the stuff that laggs me
02:47 <nemostultae> the commit messages?
02:47 <Vanhayes> yes
02:47 <Vanhayes> 3 little skips while playing tron
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02:58 * spidey trips Fonkay
02:58 <Vanhayes> hey fonkay
03:06 <Fonkay> hey
03:07 <spidey> bah
03:07 <nemostultae> moo?
03:07 <spidey> acid@server [~/tron/armagetronad-linux-0.2.7.1]# ./install
03:07 <spidey> Making directories...
03:07 <spidey> install: cannot change permissions of `/usr/local/bin': Operation not permitted
03:07 <spidey> Installation failed. Bin folder does not exist and cannot be created.
03:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: you're not root
03:09 <spidey> yar
03:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: build from source?
03:09 <spidey> not sure how i would do that,i can't compile on the server
03:09 <luke-jr_> why not?
03:10 <Vanhayes> #google fonsac
03:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.18 seconds: The Round Table of Bretonnia - Literature: <http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=4&id=40&Itemid=27>; The Round Table of Bretonnia - Literature: <http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=27>; FONSAC :::: Servicios Integrales: <http://www.fonsac.com/>; (2 more messages)
03:10 <luke-jr_> and why are you using such an old version?
03:10 <Vanhayes> er
03:10 <spidey> luke-jr_, the new version won't install
03:10 <spidey> sec
03:11 <Fonkay> hi again
03:12 <spidey> luke-jr_,
03:12 <spidey> An error occured while trying to ask the user for the password: Unable to allocate a pseudo terminal: Exec format error
03:12 <spidey> Attempting to continue without asking for password...
03:12 <spidey> autopackage/install: line 1: /sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
03:12 <spidey> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
03:12 <spidey> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
03:12 <spidey> It can be manually downloaded and installed by running the
03:12 <spidey> installation script located in the downloaded archive.
03:12 <Fonkay> sstupid arma
03:12 <luke-jr_> I see
03:13 <spidey> and i forget why i can't compile it on the server
03:13 <spidey> something about the libs i think
03:14 <luke-jr_> checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp
03:14 <luke-jr_> configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
03:14 <luke-jr_> See `config.log' for more details.
03:14 <spidey> ?
03:14 <luke-jr_> that's why
03:14 <spidey> anything i can do?
03:17 <luke-jr_> ./armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package -x
03:17 <luke-jr_> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# ./armagetronad-dedicated
03:17 <luke-jr_> [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:49331.
03:17 <luke-jr_> tada
03:17 <spidey> O_o
03:17 <luke-jr_> /home/acid/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
03:18 <luke-jr_> have fun
03:18 <spidey> sweet xD
03:18 <spidey> now how'd you do that O_o
03:19 <luke-jr_> -x on the autopackage
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03:19 <spidey> mmm
03:19 <luke-jr_> it extracts the files instead of trying to install
03:19 <spidey> ah
03:19 <spidey> thanks,lol
03:19 <spidey> now to find it on the list
03:19 <spidey> lol
03:19 <spidey> oh,brb dogs
03:20 <luke-jr_> gotta put a name and stuff
03:20 <luke-jr_> lol
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03:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5616 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/parser.rb: Should only add Point to map model if in Wall element. ShapeCircle has a Point element, too.
03:27 <spidey> the server still running?
03:27 <spidey> i let the 2 labs in the house and the chihuahua went nuts
03:27 <spidey> lmao
03:28 <luke-jr_> no
03:28 <spidey> k
03:29 <spidey> i'll just make a autoexec.cfg
03:29 <luke-jr_> you need to make server_info.cfg
03:29 <luke-jr_> and run it in the bg
03:29 <luke-jr_> autoexec.cfg is client, not server
03:29 <spidey> it works for the server to :)
03:29 <luke-jr_> o
03:29 <luke-jr_> where's it go
03:29 <luke-jr_> I could use that
03:29 <spidey> in the config dir
03:29 <luke-jr_> so people don't change my server name >:O
03:29 <spidey> haha
03:30 <spidey> could put the server name in a everytime.cfg
03:31 <Vanhayes> if you can you might want to disable kick, kill, and ban commands
03:31 <spidey> you can't
03:31 <spidey> not when they got the admin pass
03:31 <spidey> :p
03:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: unless I change code
03:32 <spidey> true
03:32 <luke-jr_> I've been meaning to anyway
03:32 <luke-jr_> to add a respawn command
03:33 <luke-jr_> how do you use the kick command anyhow?
03:33 <luke-jr_> and kill
03:33 <spidey> /admin kill playernumber
03:33 <spidey> /admin kick playernumber
03:33 <luke-jr_> I try 'kill Vanhayes' and it says no such person
03:33 <spidey> no
03:33 <spidey> first
03:33 <spidey> /admin players
03:33 <spidey> it gives the numbers
03:33 <spidey> then
03:33 <Vanhayes> ya It should kill me tho
03:33 <luke-jr_> o
03:33 <luke-jr_> ok
03:33 <spidey> /admin kill playernumber
03:33 <spidey> /admin kick playernumber
03:34 <spidey> no
03:34 <spidey> it doesn't kill by name
03:34 <spidey> :P
03:34 <luke-jr_> hehe
03:34 <luke-jr_> I should spawn all players twice
03:34 <luke-jr_> nah, it wouldn't work
03:36 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: where is your hexatron map on the resource server?
03:36 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: there is no current hexatron map
03:36 <luke-jr_> someone needs to update it to a recent DTD
03:36 <luke-jr_> which won't be simple, since it used the stack
03:36 <luke-jr_> which is not supported in recent DTDs
03:37 <spidey> mm
03:37 <spidey> how do i disable the winzone?
03:38 <luke-jr_> shrug
03:38 <spidey> OR
03:38 <spidey> should i make it a fortress server?
03:38 <spidey> imagen the pings
03:38 <spidey> ;x
03:39 <Vanhayes> I already did before
03:39 <Vanhayes> pings were good
03:39 <luke-jr_> you know
03:39 <spidey> but
03:39 <spidey> on this server
03:39 <luke-jr_> the code suggests 'kill Vanhayes' should work
03:39 <spidey> pings will be tons low
03:40 <luke-jr_> maybe
03:40 <spidey> lets see
03:41 <spidey> ok
03:41 <spidey> lets see if i can remember how to upload via ssh
03:42 <luke-jr_> scp
03:46 <spidey> -Spidey-US-Fortress look for it on the list O_o
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04:00 <spidey> wow
04:00 <spidey> even van has a nice ping
04:01 <Vanhayes> decent
04:01 <Vanhayes> a 30 would be nice, 90 is decent
04:01 <spidey> lol
04:01 <spidey> 30 is a admin level ping
04:02 <spidey> unless
04:02 <spidey> you're on the same node as the server
04:02 <spidey> then
04:02 <spidey> you get a admin ping
04:02 <spidey> when i hosted a server here at home and went to my moms
04:02 <spidey> 153+miles away
04:02 <spidey> i had a 16 ping in it
04:09 <Vanhayes> I just got silenced for 3000 seconds
04:10 <spidey> lol
04:15 <Vanhayes> nice
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04:22 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5617 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/renderer.rb: Draw spawn points as arrows. Still needs a little work
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05:17 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5618 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
05:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added #with_viewbox and adapted the rendering to use it
05:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * Corrected parameters passed into #viewbox
05:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added min bounds to the map model
05:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * Corrected a small typo in the NEWS.txt file
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05:23 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5619 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/renderer.rb: Don't compute viewbox width and height everytime
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> mmmmmmmmm
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:37 <spidey> luci
05:37 <spidey> come to my sumo server :p
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> hey nemostultae , I just made a bunch of breakfast burritos and put them in the freezer :)
05:37 <spidey> it's actually named fortress
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I grabbed a sharpie and wrote Breakfast Burrito [CA.US] on each one
05:39 * Lucifer_arma isn't telling the truth about writing on the burritos
05:40 <GodTodd> breakfast burritos rule if they're done right
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> that is the truth, GodTodd
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> I put a pound a bacon, 2 pounds of potatoes, and 9 eggs
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> and threw a yellow onion and like 4 chopped green onions in with the potatoes
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'll eat the first one for breakfast tomorrow :)
05:41 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5620 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/ (map_model.rb renderer.rb): Spawn points now render correctly
05:41 <GodTodd> i put chorizo in them too sometimes
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> my wife figured they came out about $0.21/each
05:41 <GodTodd> that's about right
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, the bacon was sorta determined by her. I just wanted a pound of meat, I'd have taken chicken or pork or whatever was cheapest.
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> The idea is a good nutritious breakfast that I can make in 2 minutes and eat in the car. :)
05:42 <GodTodd> yep
05:42 <GodTodd> :)
05:42 <GodTodd> i need to make up a batch myself again
05:42 <nemostultae> hmm, negative coords are still not drawn correctly.
05:42 <GodTodd> we're about out
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I got 25 out of those proportions, and that was with fajita-sized tortillas. I can probably go up one size, not quite the burrito size, the one in between, and still get about 20 out of it
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> so, double everything to get 40, etc. :)
05:43 <GodTodd> yep
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> only, I don't quite have a pan big enough. Hmmm....
05:43 <GodTodd> i make them in the stock pot i have
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: you might check out the acme code in the old pygame version that Luke preserved
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> that problem is solved there to some extent
05:44 <GodTodd> could probably make a batch of 60-80 if i maxed it out...:)
05:44 <GodTodd> :)
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I have a pot big enough to throw the stuff all in together, but it's like really big
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> it's huge
05:44 <nemostultae> I had it solved in the original map-preview, too. I switched this one to draw using a vector format so it is easier to scale and stuff.
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> I guess it depends on what you're after, too. I like the potatoes to have little fried edges, too.
05:45 <GodTodd> true true
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have to give that up to cook in the large pot, or do the potatoes in two batches
05:45 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know anything about vector formats
05:45 <nemostultae> http://www.imagemagick.org/RMagick/doc/rvgtut.html :)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> the bacon was a nice bonus, though. I'd have gladly mixed some ground pork with some salt, peppercorns, and basil and called it sausage
05:46 <GodTodd> i get a decent amount of bacon for free....so i always have that on hand
05:47 <GodTodd> well...not free...but just about
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, it's the same origin problem you've got, I suppose
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> in acme I did some weird origin math on the fly
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> wait, does your origin in svg have to be the same as in pixmaps? Where 0,0 is top-left?
05:49 <nemostultae> I set the origin the min bounds of the map
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I see the stuff about the coordinate system
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> so how are you figuring the bounds of the map?
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> like, width should be highest_x - lowest_x, and height is highest_y-lowest_y, right?
05:51 <nemostultae> Yea, I've done that
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> then it'd be nice if you could do two things. :) Flip the y axis, and move the origin
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> can you flip the y axis? (reading to see)
05:52 <nemostultae> hmm, maybe flipping would do it, because the map isn't even in the image
05:53 <nemostultae> I'll flip when the min y bound is negative, maybe
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, you either flip the y axis itself, or you have to flip each point
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you leave the origin in the top left, you have to flip for all points
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like you have to flip the y coordinates no matter what
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> and that would be highest_y - current_y, iirc
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> the negative signs should take care of themselves, you shouldn't have to do anything special to take care of them
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> if you are, you're doing something wrong :)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> seems like you want to place your origin at abs(lowest_x, lowest_y)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> viewbox( abs(lowest_x), abs(lowest_y) , highest_x-lowest_x, highest_y-lowest_y ) <-- here's what I come up with for the viewbox call
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> then you should just need to flip each y coordinate, and make sure you understand the units being used. :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm reading this webpage correctly (or skimming)
05:57 <nemostultae> hey, looked like that kinda worked
05:59 <nemostultae> hmm, still a little off. It is not coming out looking like this: http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/map-preview/previews/Your_mom/ni2-0.0.1.png
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> that looks pretty similar to one of the development shots of the maze maps :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> how does it compare to the original previewer? Do you have that still up somewhere?
06:00 <nemostultae> The link above is from the original. The new one is in the subversion repo
06:00 <nemostultae> not yet on my site
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok. then that's a weird map.....heh
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06:21 <Your_mom_arma> i've been banned from lukes server by someon who isnt luke :-/
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> come on spidey, quit chatting
06:22 <Vanhayes> hmm
06:22 * Vanhayes pokes humanitarian
06:24 <nemostultae> Didn't he give out the admin pass?
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
06:24 <nemostultae> What is it, I'll uban you
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> /login admin
06:24 <nemostultae> good pass
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> can you unban ingame?
06:25 <nemostultae> yea
06:26 <nemostultae> ok
06:26 <nemostultae> done
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> thanks
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> who's humanitarian?
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07:06 <mkzelda> how necessary is gcc fortran support that its a default use flag in gentoo profiles?
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07:07 <mkzelda> i mean, i thot fortran was old
07:08 <mkzelda> woooo boost compiling on my best machine
07:09 <mkzelda> just wont work on this one
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07:32 <Vanhayes> spidey, did you server crash?
07:32 <spidey> lucifer
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey?
07:32 <spidey> think we got a bug
07:32 <spidey> [4] Humanitarian: this is with walls that never drop now?
07:32 <spidey> [0] Deleting objects...
07:32 <spidey> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
07:32 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]#
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> damn
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's in the stable release, too, isn't it?
07:32 <spidey> yea
07:32 <spidey> 2.8.2
07:32 <spidey> i restarted it
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> can you post your settings?
07:32 <spidey> um
07:32 <spidey> yea
07:32 <spidey> sec
07:33 <spidey> server_name servernamehere
07:33 <spidey> AMIN_PASS passwordhere
07:33 <spidey> include examples/cvs_test/sumo_complete.cfg
07:33 <spidey> TALK_TO_MASTER 1
07:33 <spidey> size_factor -1
07:33 <spidey> cycle_speed 15
07:33 <spidey> cycle_rubber 12
07:33 <spidey> cycle_accel 15
07:33 <spidey> cycle_brake_deplete .1
07:33 <spidey> walls_length 170
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> I assume there's no server side recording?
07:33 <spidey> nope
07:33 <spidey> :/
07:34 <spidey> know what
07:34 <spidey> i think it's that cycle_Walls_delay thing
07:34 <spidey> cause it was what 3 rounds after i changed it?
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> wasn't it the very next round after you changed it that it crashed?
07:36 <spidey> i think
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07:38 <spidey> yup
07:38 <Vanhayes> crashed?
07:38 <spidey> that's the problem
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> yay
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, damn, that sucked
07:38 <spidey> sLOL
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> mom was winning
07:38 <Vanhayes> lol
07:38 <spidey> lmao
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> start it in recording mode :)
07:39 <spidey> how?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> let's make it crash again :)
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad-dedicated --help ?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think its --record filename.aarec
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> where .aarec is by convention
07:39 <spidey> ok
07:39 <spidey> got it
07:39 <spidey> started
07:40 <spidey> um
07:40 <Your_mom_arma> you sure?
07:40 <spidey> took forever to start
07:40 <spidey> lol
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
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07:43 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> yay
07:48 <spidey> what's with the recording thing not crashing?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok spidey, now send me the recording :)
07:48 <spidey> it didn't crash
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> ? didn't it just crash?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh, nvm then
07:48 <spidey> i restarted before the recording got bigger :p
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, ok
07:49 <spidey> what's this mean
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2772 ( Nameless NetObject nr. 2772 ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2771 ( Nameless NetObject nr. 2771 ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2770 ( Nameless NetObject nr. 2770 ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2769 ( Nameless NetObject nr.[0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2764 ( Team Vanhayes ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2763 ( ePlayerNetID nr. 2763, name Vanhayes ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2723 ( Nameless NetObject nr. 2723 ).
07:49 <spidey> [0] User 1 does not know about netobject 2722 ( Nameless NetObject nr. 2722 ).
07:49 <Vanhayes> huh?
07:49 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> it means Vanhayes is a cheater!
07:49 <spidey> hahaha
07:49 <Vanhayes> damn u caught me
07:49 <Your_mom_arma> he's a witch
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=72271#72271 <--- reads like spam, but looks genuine
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> how do you know he's a witch?
07:51 <Your_mom_arma> i just assumed, lets tie rocks to his feet dump him in the ocean if he floats then he's a witch
07:52 <Your_mom_arma> or something to a limilar extent
07:52 <Your_mom_arma> similar even
07:52 <Vanhayes> like burning me at the stake? If I survive I am a witch
07:52 <Your_mom_arma> yep
07:57 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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08:04 <spidey> i think i'ma run a sumo server and tron server
08:04 <spidey> i can buy a cheap $5 shell with 2-3 background processes and run it
08:10 <spidey> lucifer
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> what?
08:11 <spidey> -rw-r--r-- 1 32009 acid 3802194 Jul 10 06:48 buf.aarec
08:11 <spidey> -rw------- 1 32009 acid 2285568 Jul 10 06:31 core.27246
08:11 <spidey> -rw------- 1 32009 acid 2027520 Jul 10 06:38 core.28202
08:11 <spidey> what's those 2 core. files?
08:11 <spidey> they was made just before i started the recording
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's what happens when you core dump, a file is left
08:11 <spidey> oh
08:11 <spidey> coredump = crash?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> you could post those to the thread I started on it if you'd like, I've never found much use for them, but that doesn't mean nobody will
08:12 <spidey> mmm
08:12 <spidey> i don't know what to say :/
08:12 <spidey> how about i tar them and move 'em to the public_html
08:12 <spidey> give you the link and you post
08:12 <spidey> :p
08:15 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/core.27246.gz
08:15 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/core.28202.gz
08:17 <spidey> erm
08:17 <spidey> wtf
08:17 <spidey> Forbidden
08:17 <spidey> You don't have permission to access /core.28202.gz on this server.
08:17 <spidey> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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08:19 <spidey> om
08:19 <spidey> omg
08:19 <spidey> it's hell
08:19 <HellBlade> yes?
08:19 <spidey> :p
08:19 <HellBlade> really?
08:19 <spidey> no
08:19 <HellBlade> mthat's amazing
08:19 <spidey> i'm seeing things
08:19 <HellBlade> why?
08:19 <HellBlade> yeah you are seeing things actually
08:20 <HellBlade> you are seeing your screen
08:21 <HellBlade> om
08:21 <HellBlade> omg
08:21 <HellBlade> it's spidey
08:21 <HellBlade> :p
08:21 <spidey> :/
08:21 <HellBlade> so why is it surprising that I am here
08:22 <HellBlade> wow no ops here
08:22 <HellBlade> surprising
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08:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhenge
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08:24 <AngryOverlord> whoops
08:24 <spidey> LOL
08:24 <AngryOverlord> does anyone know what happened to zoite?
08:24 <spidey> to what?
08:24 <AngryOverlord> it isn't working
08:24 <AngryOverlord> zoite the server
08:24 <AngryOverlord> on irc
08:24 <spidey> .....
08:24 <AngryOverlord> nvm
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhenge <-- for the guy who just left and came back
08:26 <AngryOverlord> ?
08:26 <AngryOverlord> that is interesting
08:26 <AngryOverlord> but it doesn't say where it is
08:27 <spidey> nebraska....
08:27 <AngryOverlord> haha
08:27 <AngryOverlord> I can't read
08:27 <AngryOverlord> sorry
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's a stonehenge replica in Texas. I'll see if I can find directions to it, that'll make a nice day trip for the kids :)
08:28 <AngryOverlord> was anyone in the server zoite before?
08:28 <AngryOverlord> or do you guys just have freenode
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Stonehenge_II.jpg
08:28 -!- AngryOverlord is now known as HellBlade
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> freenode is a network, when you connect you usually connect to a rotation server
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> we could all be connected to different servers, and the way irc works we're able to be in the same room
08:29 <HellBlade> fine does anyone know what happened to zoite the network
08:29 <HellBlade> ;P
08:30 <HellBlade> if anyone used it
08:30 <HellBlade> way back when
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, never heard of it :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you were talking about zoite as a freenode server, and linked it to your weird disconnect a minute ago :)
08:31 <HellBlade> *tear*
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from nemostultae
08:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [23:27:08] <nemostultae> done
08:32 <HellBlade> 5 minutes ago?
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #time
08:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 01:33 AM, July 10, 2006
08:33 <HellBlade> hmmm
08:33 <HellBlade> funny it is only 11:33:29 here
08:33 <HellBlade> pm
08:33 <HellBlade> is that gmt?
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's CDT
08:33 <HellBlade> oh
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> armabot lives in texs
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, texas
08:34 <spidey> lolololol
08:34 <HellBlade> he
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> spidey, you're not allowed to laugh at other people's typos
08:34 <spidey> hahahahaha
08:34 <spidey> so true
08:35 * spidey goes to look for a cheap shell on a nice connection to run a tron server
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foamhenge
08:37 <HellBlade> lucifer why are you giving us links to wikipedia about fake stonehenges?
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> because I think they're interesting and would like to share?
08:38 <HellBlade> oh okay
08:38 <HellBlade> how did you get started looking for them?
08:42 <HellBlade> alright
08:43 <HellBlade> brb
08:45 <HellBlade> back
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I was reading about the Celts
08:45 <spidey> mmmm
08:46 <spidey> should i get 2 background processes or just one
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have an answer for that
08:46 <spidey> i could get 3
08:46 <spidey> only $5
08:47 <spidey> gonna run a tron server on it
08:47 <spidey> O_o
08:47 <HellBlade> wow
08:47 <HellBlade> only 5$
08:47 <HellBlade> where?
08:47 <spidey> http://www.quadspeedi.net/?page=services&service=1
08:48 <HellBlade> no it's 5$ for 3
08:48 <spidey> yes
08:49 <HellBlade> oh
08:49 <HellBlade> you said 3
08:49 <spidey> spidey i could get 3
08:49 <spidey> spidey only $5
08:49 <spidey> keep up msn :p
08:49 <spidey> i said msn didn't i
08:49 <HellBlade> yeah
08:49 <spidey> s/msn/man
08:49 <spidey> * run webcams, shoutcast servers, any type of game server, or any other process that utilizes an unreasonable amount of bandwidth or system resources, without expressed permission.
08:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, does tron use a unreasonable amount of bandwith?
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh, sure
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> but it's also a game server...
08:50 <spidey> any type of game server, or any other process that utilizes an unreasonable amount of bandwidth
08:50 <spidey> if it doesn't use alot of bandwith i can run it
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> but they cite game servers in particular
08:51 <spidey> meh
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my isp says "no webservers" and all the other stuff, too, and I blissfully ignore them and do it anyway
08:51 <spidey> heh
08:51 <spidey> mine says no servers
08:51 * spidey runs all kinds of servers
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> it probably will use an unreasonable amount of bandwidth
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> z-man says his fortress server uses somewhere's around a gig month, doesn't he?
08:52 <spidey> even if i set it to like 6-10 people?
08:52 <spidey> omg
08:52 <HellBlade> Our servers are connected to redundant Cisco 7500 Series Routers, Cisco 6500 Series Switches
08:52 <spidey> O_o
08:52 <HellBlade> it will be fine
08:52 <spidey> ?
08:52 <spidey> hey it's only $3
08:53 <spidey> i can attempt it,lol
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08:55 <HellBlade> it will be fine the cisco 6500 series switches: The Catalyst 6500 Series currently supports up to 288 Class 3 (15.4W) Power over Ethernet (PoE) devices, plus up to 1152 10/100-Mbps, 576 10/100/1000-Mbps, or 32 10-Gbps Ethernet ports in a single chassis, and system scalability up to 720 Gbps, providing 40 Gbps/slot (half-duplex). Additional choices include 3, 4, 6, 9, and 13-slot chassis options and several WAN interface module
08:55 <HellBlade> options.
08:55 <HellBlade> you could probably do it with just one
08:56 <spidey> yea
08:56 <spidey> gotta wait till the 12th though
08:56 <HellBlade> oh
08:56 <HellBlade> why?
08:56 <spidey> i transfered money from the bank the 8th and paypal is slow as hell
08:56 <HellBlade> oh
08:57 <spidey> http://www.vitalspeeds.com/
08:58 <HellBlade> those are small
08:58 <spidey> who cares about space
08:58 <spidey> it's a tron server
08:58 <spidey> :p
08:58 <HellBlade> well if zmans takes 1gb per month
08:59 <spidey> no man
08:59 <spidey> hdd space isn't bandwith
08:59 <spidey> read
08:59 <spidey> "monthly bandwith unmetered"
08:59 <HellBlade> I'm sorry I am blind
08:59 <spidey> lmao
08:59 <HellBlade> haha you get BitchX
09:00 <spidey> i think i'll get one of those...
09:00 <spidey> maybe
09:00 <spidey> i can't find there ToS
09:01 <HellBlade> you can always do the shared hosting and host a couple servers
09:02 <HellBlade> although they have metered bandwith
09:02 <HellBlade> badnwidth
09:05 <spidey> heh
09:05 <HellBlade> wow you guys are just on irc for arma
09:05 <spidey> no
09:05 <spidey> i'm on 5 networks
09:05 <HellBlade> oh
09:05 <HellBlade> pfft
09:05 <HellBlade> what evs
09:06 <spidey> i am
09:06 <HellBlade> I knkow
09:06 <HellBlade> so you going for the vitalspeeds one?
09:06 <spidey> maybe both
09:06 <HellBlade> two servers?
09:06 <spidey> 3
09:06 <HellBlade> 3?
09:06 <spidey> i run one on my webserver :)
09:06 <HellBlade> wow
09:06 <HellBlade> you in usa?
09:06 <spidey> yea
09:07 <HellBlade> make a fort
09:07 <HellBlade> ;P
09:07 <spidey> got one
09:07 <HellBlade> yeah I know
09:07 <spidey> U.S.Fortress
09:07 <HellBlade> but you keep going from fort to sumo
09:07 <HellBlade> what would you make the other ones?
09:07 <spidey> there'll be the fort from my webserver
09:08 <spidey> ohhhh
09:08 <HellBlade> yeah
09:08 <spidey> you're stewie
09:08 <spidey> asshole
09:08 <spidey> lol
09:08 <HellBlade> shhhhhh
09:08 <HellBlade> don't tell anyone
09:08 <spidey> the sumo on one of the shells
09:08 <HellBlade> especially any xzl
09:08 <spidey> and a dogfight on the other
09:08 <HellBlade> then a rubber?
09:08 <spidey> no
09:08 <HellBlade> oh
09:08 <HellBlade> wait
09:08 <spidey> i don't like rubber
09:08 <HellBlade> haha that is 3
09:09 <spidey> [0] Setting SPAM_MAXLEN (Group: Cheating) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.6.0 will not be allowed in.
09:09 <spidey> um?
09:09 <HellBlade> I am trying to keep my secret identity secret
09:09 <HellBlade> I "quit" on hellblade
09:10 <spidey> like i was
09:10 <spidey> i quit spidey then accidently threw the server up with spidey
09:10 <HellBlade> haha
09:10 <spidey> and the name BlAzE i used
09:10 <spidey> lol
09:10 <HellBlade> so many people "quit" on their other names
09:10 <HellBlade> and play on secret identities
09:10 <spidey> can you blame 'em?
09:11 <HellBlade> I quit hellblade cause I was being a jerk on it
09:11 <HellBlade> corrupt with power
09:11 <HellBlade> cause I was on xzl the whole time
09:11 <spidey> i don't know if people know i'm blaze yet besides the ones in here
09:11 <HellBlade> don't tell anyone
09:11 <spidey> but sp hates spidey so much and they say he sucks so much ~esp psyko~
09:11 <HellBlade> we all should have secret identities
09:12 <spidey> yet i got invited to sp numerous times as blaze
09:12 <HellBlade> haha
09:12 <HellBlade> really?
09:12 <spidey> ya
09:12 <HellBlade> esp psyko?
09:12 <spidey> especially?
09:12 <HellBlade> yeah did he invite you
09:12 <spidey> don't remember
09:12 <spidey> i know omega has
09:12 <HellBlade> haha
09:12 <spidey> and someone else
09:12 <spidey> i can't remember
09:13 <HellBlade> sin said he wanted me to join E when I was stewie
09:13 <HellBlade> the first day
09:13 <spidey> lol
09:13 <spidey> nightmare wants me to join E he just hasn't came out and said it
09:13 <HellBlade> haha
09:13 <HellBlade> spidey you and I are just to pwn for them
09:13 <spidey> i can tell from the ass kissing :p
09:14 <spidey> mbc invited me when i only played for 2 days
09:14 <HellBlade> haha
09:14 <HellBlade> nice
09:14 <spidey> that tells me that don't care about skill
09:14 <spidey> i like that
09:14 <spidey> :)
09:14 <HellBlade> are you stil in mbc?
09:14 <spidey> yea
09:14 <HellBlade> coo
09:14 <spidey> a year in august
09:15 <HellBlade> do you dislike xzl at all?
09:15 <spidey> noooo
09:15 <spidey> i like zxl
09:15 <spidey> xzl
09:15 <spidey> i just don't like sp :p
09:15 <HellBlade> eh
09:15 <spidey> punch is a good friend of mine :p
09:15 <spidey> alias
09:15 <spidey> sd
09:15 <HellBlade> I am starting to see that xzl are being somewhat of jerks to sp
09:15 <spidey> can you blame 'em?
09:15 <spidey> lol
09:16 <HellBlade> all clans contradict themselves and are jerks
09:16 <HellBlade> but I think sp and xzl are the worst
09:16 <spidey> they claim to be the elites of tron,but mbc wanted a match against them and they declined
09:16 <HellBlade> sp or xzl?
09:16 <spidey> sp
09:17 <HellBlade> haha have you seen the headline on their forums? the father of the clan community
09:17 <HellBlade> lawl
09:17 <HellBlade> I mean tron community
09:17 <spidey> riiiight
09:17 <HellBlade> tron clan**
09:17 <HellBlade> haha
09:17 <spidey> they wasn't before they fell and they still aren't :)
09:17 <spidey> i suck and i could beat them all besides punch and solidus
09:17 <HellBlade> xzl or sp?
09:17 <spidey> i had trouble with them :/
09:18 <spidey> sp
09:18 <HellBlade> oh
09:18 <HellBlade> before the downfall?
09:18 <spidey> yea
09:18 <HellBlade> oh okay
09:18 <HellBlade> now I can pwn them all with ease ;P
09:19 <spidey> meh
09:19 <HellBlade> dude it was so wierd with storm after he came back from his long break he was worshiping me because I was so good
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> anybody ever heard of wolvix?
09:19 <spidey> no?
09:19 <HellBlade> wolvix?
09:19 <HellBlade> no
09:19 <HellBlade> what is it luci?
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, linux distribution. :) Stumbled across it in a vain search for pyalarm, trying to see how many people use pyAlarm
09:20 <spidey> wow
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> in the beginning of June, the Wolvix guy said he was making a new version, and someone posted on his site to suggest including pyAlarm on it
09:20 <spidey> ever heard of tdl ?
09:20 <spidey> tbl*
09:20 <HellBlade> oh
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> tbl = tron player?
09:20 <spidey> tbl = linux distro
09:20 <spidey> http://www.linuxiso.org/
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> no, I haven't
09:20 <spidey> probably a few you haven't heard of there
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> That's TSL
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> and I haven't heard of TSL either
09:21 <spidey> oh
09:21 <spidey> i was thinking of
09:21 <spidey> jbl
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it's been a year since their last release, though
09:22 <spidey> lol@ peanut linux
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> which is probably how long since I released pyAlarm's last version, heh
09:22 * Lucifer_arma needs to get Dave's Stupid Alarm Clock going
09:22 <spidey> you made pyalarm?
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
09:22 <spidey> O_o
09:23 <spidey> i've heard about it somewhere
09:23 <spidey> long time ago
09:23 <HellBlade> woah
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> from me? heh
09:23 <HellBlade> you made pyalarm!
09:23 <spidey> no
09:23 <spidey> i've heard abotu it from someone/thing else
09:23 <spidey> what is it?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> alarm clock
09:23 <spidey> lol
09:23 <spidey> i guess that'd explain it
09:24 <HellBlade> holy crud YOU MADE PYALARM!
09:24 <HellBlade> oh it is an alarm clock
09:24 <spidey> i think it was something i was playing with when i first installed linux
09:24 <HellBlade> I'm not impressed
09:24 <HellBlade> hehehe jk
09:24 <spidey> hahahahahahah
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> ? afaik, no distributions include it
09:24 <HellBlade> yeah just get it from sourceforge spidey
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> probably because it's buggier than an antpile
09:25 <HellBlade> that's pretty buggy
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's damn buggy. I don't even know if the last release works for anyone besides me. ;)
09:25 <spidey> i don't say it was included
09:25 <spidey> i said i played with it :p
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> next version will be better, but I'm changing the name and pretty much rewriting it
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> lessons learned and all
09:26 <spidey> lol
09:26 <HellBlade> haha
09:26 <HellBlade> does anyone know how to take down a firewall on a mac?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> and it won't see a windows release for some time now
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> spidey knows
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> just install vnc and he'll show you
09:26 <spidey> :|
09:26 <HellBlade> oh spidey!
09:26 <HellBlade> teach me my master
09:27 * spidey says kiss his ass to both
09:27 <HellBlade> *tear*
09:27 * Lucifer_arma french kisses spidey's grandmother
09:27 <spidey> O_o
09:27 <spidey> that was so wrong
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> is she hot? your grandmother, that is. Is she?
09:27 <spidey> my grandma isn't a donkey :(
09:28 <HellBlade> free edition enough?
09:29 <spidey> why/what for/why do you wanna know how to take a mac firewall down?
09:29 <HellBlade> for reasons of my own
09:29 <HellBlade> ...
09:29 <spidey> your box?
09:29 <HellBlade> yeah pretty much
09:29 <spidey> .......
09:29 <spidey> i'll take that as a no
09:29 <HellBlade> no
09:30 <HellBlade> it is yeah pretty much
09:30 <spidey> that's not a answer :p
09:30 <HellBlade> sure it is
09:30 <spidey> is not
09:30 <HellBlade> why are you so interested?
09:31 <spidey> because if it was yours i might help :p
09:31 <HellBlade> it is mine
09:31 <spidey> to late now
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> are you speaking in the present or future tense?
09:31 <HellBlade> present
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> as in "it'll be mine after I take down the firewall"?
09:31 <HellBlade> no it is mine now
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> aren't there mac support groups? most drug addictions have them....
09:31 <spidey> LOL
09:33 <HellBlade> aight
09:33 <HellBlade> got it
09:33 <HellBlade> oh pretty IP adress
09:33 <spidey> ....
09:33 <HellBlade> nothing
09:33 <spidey> so i take it you was lying
09:33 <HellBlade> no
09:33 <spidey> yes
09:33 <HellBlade> no!
09:33 <spidey> yes!
09:33 <HellBlade> no
09:33 <spidey> yes
09:33 <HellBlade> why do you think I am lying
09:34 <spidey> HellBlade oh pretty IP adress
09:34 <HellBlade> so
09:34 <HellBlade> it is mine so what
09:34 <HellBlade> god
09:34 <spidey> because "yeah pretty much"
09:34 <HellBlade> so
09:34 <HellBlade> well it isn't much of a box
09:34 <HellBlade> more of a closable one
09:34 <spidey> and because after i said if it was yours i'd help you said yes it is :p
09:34 <HellBlade> it is mine!
09:35 <HellBlade> now!
09:35 <spidey> but it wasn't
09:35 <HellBlade> it always has been
09:35 <spidey> lmao
09:35 <spidey> i would keep going but i'm laughing to much
09:35 <HellBlade> I am getting sorta mad because you wont beleive me
09:36 <spidey> hahahahaha
09:37 <HellBlade> how can I proove to you that it is mine?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> I don't believe you either, does that make you madder?
09:37 <HellBlade> why not?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can give it to me, at which case you'd prove it was yours
09:37 <spidey> lololololol
09:37 <HellBlade> another way?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> only then it'd be mine, and I'd put linux on it
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> probably run an arma server on it
09:37 <HellBlade> don't worry you wont be able to unless you get the firewall down
09:38 <HellBlade> and it isn't a box
09:38 <spidey> .......
09:38 <HellBlade> hehe
09:38 <spidey> what's the firewall got to do with it
09:38 <spidey> if he has physical access all he's gotta do is reboot with the cd in
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
09:38 <HellBlade> yeah....
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah....
09:38 <spidey> maybe......
09:38 <HellBlade> I thought that didn't work with macs
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> then how would you put linux on it?
09:39 <HellBlade> since isn't the os secured by a firewall?
09:39 <spidey> ....
09:39 * Lucifer_arma whacks HellBlade with a clue bat
09:39 <spidey> LOL
09:39 <HellBlade> I'm sorry it is late and I have no idea what is going on
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> the firewall in the os doesn't turn on until sometime after it has started booting
09:39 <spidey> the os doesn't boot if you boot from a cd man
09:39 <HellBlade> what were we talking about?
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> if you boot from a cd, then the os doesn't boot, and you install linux generally by booting from a cd
09:40 <HellBlade> aha you are wrong!
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> we were talking about a mac you wanted spidey to help you own
09:40 <HellBlade> the cd doesn't boot till the os boots!
09:40 <spidey> no
09:40 <spidey> you're wrong
09:40 <HellBlade> I ALREADY OWN THE FUCKING MAC!
09:40 <spidey> the bios reads the cd
09:40 <spidey> the bios starts before the os
09:40 <spidey> deeeer
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, on intel boxes the bios does the part where it starts the cd booting
09:40 <HellBlade> I don't have an intel
09:40 <spidey> intelmac
09:40 <spidey> mmm
09:41 <spidey> i've heard of those
09:41 <HellBlade> macbook g4
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're new
09:41 <HellBlade> powerbook g4 I mean
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> they kinda take the snob out of the mac snob
09:41 <HellBlade> macbook is the intel
09:41 <spidey> lol
09:41 <HellBlade> god you got me thinking about the intel
09:41 <spidey> since when
09:41 <HellBlade> sorry
09:41 <HellBlade> since you started talking about it gosh
09:41 <spidey> well
09:42 <spidey> talking about what?
09:42 <spidey> man i think you're crazy or something
09:42 <HellBlade> GOD DAMN IT SPIDEY YOU ARE CONFUSING ME!
09:42 <spidey> HAHAAHAHAHA
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> HellBlade: did you take your medication today?
09:42 <HellBlade> and i know you are doing it on purpouse
09:42 <HellBlade> no -.-
09:42 <HellBlade> it is 12:42 in the fawking morning
09:43 <HellBlade> why would I take my medication now
09:43 <HellBlade> ?!?!?
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> so you won't forget to take it in the morning?
09:43 <HellBlade> no
09:43 <HellBlade> wait I don't take medication
09:43 <spidey> lmao
09:43 <HellBlade> god damn you guys are confusing me
09:43 <spidey> this should go on bash.org
09:43 <spidey> hahah
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I feel so bad
09:44 <spidey> lmao
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I helped someone make an annoying server name
09:44 <HellBlade> what?
09:44 <spidey> what name/
09:44 <spidey> ?
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=72381#72381 <--- you have to be logged in to see the screenshot
09:45 <spidey> no i don't
09:45 <spidey> i can see it
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> really? I thought tank had disabled attachments for people nto logged in?
09:45 <spidey> nope
09:45 <spidey> i see it
09:45 <spidey> and i'm not logged in
09:45 <HellBlade> harakiri-zone JP is annoying
09:45 <spidey> harakiri-zoe jp
09:45 <HellBlade> why?
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> because now it's colored
09:46 <spidey> lol
09:46 <HellBlade> so
09:46 <HellBlade> I want to check it out brb
09:47 <HellBlade> ha I can't see it
09:47 <HellBlade> ;P
09:50 <spidey> HellBlade and it isn't a box
09:50 <spidey> ok, the monitor
09:50 <HellBlade> cough powerbook cough
09:50 <HellBlade> hehe
09:51 <HellBlade> fine what ever
09:51 <HellBlade> spidey you are just confusing me
09:51 <spidey> huh?
09:51 <HellBlade> I dunno
09:51 <spidey> seriously man
09:51 <spidey> goto a mental home for a few days
09:51 <HellBlade> I NEED MY MEDICATIONS!
09:51 <spidey> i think you're losing it
09:52 <HellBlade> GIVE ME MY GOD DAMN MEDICATIONS SPIDEY!
09:52 * HellBlade pulls out a dagger and holds in like they do in dune
09:53 <HellBlade> or children of dune I should say
09:53 <HellBlade> they don't have daggers in dune
09:53 <spidey> children of the corn?
09:53 <HellBlade> DUNE!
09:53 <spidey> corn....
09:53 <HellBlade> DUNE!
09:53 <spidey> corn....
09:53 <HellBlade> DUNE GOD DAMN IT DUNE!
09:53 <spidey> corn....
09:54 <HellBlade> NO FUCKIING CORN INVOLVED IT IS JUST DUNE!
09:54 <spidey> corn....
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09:54 <guru3> shut up
09:54 <guru3> before i make you
09:54 <HellBlade> god damn it spidey I hate you
09:54 <spidey> love you too ;x
09:54 <HellBlade> I'm sure you do
09:54 <spidey> :p
09:54 <Vanhayes> #g $22/h 40h/w
09:54 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:54 <Vanhayes> damn
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Lucifer_arma] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Lucifer_arma] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v luke-jr_] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v nemostultae] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv wejp wrtlprnft zmanuel] by guru3
09:55 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu_] by guru3
09:55 <@guru3> yeah... i think that's all for now
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09:59 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Stewie-arma] by guru3
09:59 <+Stewie-arma> hello?
10:00 <+Stewie-arma> ty
10:00 <+Stewie-arma> so you guys obviously play armagetron right?
10:05 <@guru3> yes
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10:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by guru3
10:26 <+wrtlprnft> #morning
10:26 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Alan Cox wrote: || >> On any procmail new enough not to be full of security holes you set || >Brain on, Imeant majordomo of course 8) || You got me worried there for a brief (very brief) moment :-). || -- Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless)
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10:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5621 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (network/nNetObject.h tron/gCycle.cpp tron/gCycleMovement.cpp):
10:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Rearranged call order of nNetObject::ReadSync() and
10:35 <armabot> armagetronad: nNetObject::InitAfterCreation(), init now comes first. Some things that were
10:35 <armabot> armagetronad: formerly done in init now need to be done in ReadSync() if this->ID() is zero
10:35 <armabot> armagetronad: (inicating that this is the first sync).
10:36 -spidey:#armagetron- mmm
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10:40 <@guru3> stop with the damn notices please
10:40 <+wrtlprnft> spidey found a new way to annoy people...
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10:45 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm
10:45 * Lucifer_arma tries to remember what his alarm clock looks like
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm always sleepy when I look at it, so I don't remember :)
10:45 <@guru3> doesn't it start with py?
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm rewriting it with pyqt, which means new ui
10:46 <@guru3> qt :o
10:46 <+wrtlprnft> qt :D
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> really, I just want two things out of it :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> move the damn media player to command line apps, and a systray icon
10:47 <@guru3> ye qt junkies of kde land
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> but for the systray icon, since I use KDE, I need to use pyKDE to get it, and that means pyqt to start
10:47 <+wrtlprnft> crew gnome/gtk :D
10:48 <+wrtlprnft> *screw
10:48 <@guru3> aww lol
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, it'll be carefully separated so that putting a pygtk front on it should be fairly trivial
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> just write up the ui file with glade and write the glue code
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> that might even get it a windows version. Does pygtk run in Windows?
10:49 <@guru3> i know gtk itself does, cause gaim uses it
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like it does
10:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, anything python will run in windows
10:49 <spidey> just need the interpeter
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> sure spidey, whatever you say
10:50 <spidey> it will if you install python 2.4 for windows
10:50 * Lucifer_arma notes that pygtk depends on gtk, which is a c library
10:50 <spidey> :)
10:50 * guru3 refers Lucifer_arma to his previous statement about gaim
10:50 * Lucifer_arma notes further that python bindings have to be built for each platform, and that pyao does *not* run in windows
10:51 <+wrtlprnft> well, if you use pyKDE it won
10:51 <+wrtlprnft> 't run on windows
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mapr.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/
10:51 * guru3 notes that he can no longer follow Lucifer's notes
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> pyao = python bindings around libao, which is an audio output library that's supposed to be cross-platform but only runs in Linux
10:52 <@guru3> ah
10:52 * guru3 now notes that lucifer's previous notes were indeed note worthy
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's a xiph project that never really took off, there are lots of cross-platform output libraries. Unfortunately python only supports pyao. :/
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it just occurred to me that there are openal bindings
10:53 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | ANY PROBLEMS WITH BETA.ARMAGETRONAD.NET? BLAME LUKE ASAP! | we like cheese. vive cheese. heil cheese. all glory to cheese. that is all
10:54 <spidey> what valvetta?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> redneck
10:54 <spidey> it owns
10:54 <spidey> #lucifer
10:54 <armabot> Teh #1 Redneck!
10:54 <+wrtlprnft> the title is getting longer again :S
10:54 <+wrtlprnft> #Lucifer_arma
10:54 <armabot> The operation succeeded.
10:54 <spidey> ?
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> asdf
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> oh, it doesn't spam me?
10:55 <spidey> lol
10:55 <+wrtlprnft> #notes
10:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, madmax|pt, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
10:55 <spidey> nickserv?
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
10:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, (1 more message)
10:55 <+wrtlprnft> no, it spams someone random methinks
10:55 <+wrtlprnft> #help spam
10:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell [echo $randomNick] enjoy the spam".
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> wtf? can we stop with all these useless aliases?
10:55 <+wrtlprnft> #more Lucifer_arma
10:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: parrot, peng, poke, pong, postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, should, spam, spamspamspam, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, switchtoheads, switchtotails, teamlist, texas, u, unix, unlock, uptime, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
10:55 <spidey> #help gcalc
10:55 <armabot> spidey: (gcalc <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
10:56 <spidey> ...
10:56 <spidey> what's the difference between that and g
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #help g
10:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*]".
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> NONE, it's a USELESS alias
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, and #g used to make spam
10:56 <spidey> lol
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #switchtoheads
10:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:56 * Lucifer_arma considers unloading the alias module again
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <armabot> heads
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <armabot> heads
10:56 <armabot> heads
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #switchtotails
10:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <armabot> tails
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <+wrtlprnft> #alias coin
10:56 <armabot> tails
10:56 <armabot> tails
10:57 <@guru3> please stop spamming :/
10:57 * wrtlprnft hides
10:57 <spidey> #help switchtoheads
10:57 <armabot> spidey: (switchtoheads <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "alias add coin echo heads".
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> he's just showing off his useless aliases
10:57 <spidey> O_o
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> #unload Alias
10:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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10:57 <@guru3> Lucifer_arma, is there anyway to reduce the # of aliases?
10:57 * Lucifer_arma wonders if anybody can use the bot with this plugin unloaded
10:57 <@guru3> or restrict their usage to the time when i'm not online?
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I just reduced them to 0
10:57 <+wrtlprnft> there are some useful aliases
10:57 <spidey> #google calc 10+10
10:57 <armabot> spidey: 10 + 10 = 20
10:58 <@guru3> ...
10:58 <spidey> i can for my math packets
10:58 <spidey> xD
10:58 * wrtlprnft won't type oogle calc
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> good, because that won't work :)
10:58 <spidey> LOL
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> #oogle calc
10:58 <+wrtlprnft> no
10:58 -!- spidey was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [if you can't do that math you don't deserve to be here. you are the weakest link. goodbye.]
10:58 <+wrtlprnft> #g worked before
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:58 <+wrtlprnft> and now i have to type oogle calc
10:58 * guru3 celebrates
10:58 <@guru3> oogle lol
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10:58 <spidey> ....
10:59 <spidey> what was that for :/
10:59 <+wrtlprnft> [if you can't do that math you don't deserve to be here. you are the weakest link. goodbye.]
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> *** spidey has been kicked from the channel by guru3. (if you can't do that math you don't deserve to be here. you are the weakest link. goodbye.)
10:59 <@guru3> lol
10:59 <spidey> :\
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> he's probably still got some lingering annoyance at you, too, spidey
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> #load Alias
10:59 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:59 * wrtlprnft won't spam for a while
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> can we get some of the really useless aliases removed?
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> like, all of them?
11:00 * wrtlprnft doesn't know anymore which ones are useless
11:00 <spidey> can we keep #lucifer
11:00 <spidey> i like that one
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove lucifer
11:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:00 <@guru3> better remove that one then
11:00 <spidey> lmao
11:00 <+wrtlprnft> lol
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> any others you want, spidey?
11:00 <spidey> yea i like #u too
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> #help u
11:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (u <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "uptime $*".
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> #help uptime
11:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (uptime <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo spidey: [rss [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?$randomint]]".
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove u
11:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove uptime
11:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:01 <+wrtlprnft> :(
11:01 <spidey> #list alias
11:01 <armabot> spidey: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, luciferarma, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, (1 more message)
11:01 * spidey never used half those
11:01 <spidey> O_o
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> I can tell you most of the useless ones
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> they're the ones that aren't #message or #g
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #it's
11:02 <+wrtlprnft> #morning and #night are useful too
11:02 <armabot> who?
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #load Herald
11:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Herald is already loaded.
11:02 <spidey> #help luciferarma
11:02 <armabot> spidey: (luciferarma <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "spam $*".
11:02 <spidey> O_o
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove luciferarma
11:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove spam
11:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove spamspamspam
11:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> why am I cleaning up this mess?
11:03 <@guru3> beats me
11:03 <spidey> #help armabot
11:03 <@guru3> but i appreciate it
11:03 <armabot> spidey: (armabot <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "eightball $*".
11:03 <spidey> #help armabot,,
11:03 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no command "armabot,,".
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> #help alias
11:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "alias".
11:03 <spidey> ....
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
11:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, (1 more message)
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> #alias
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> #alias list
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> #more
11:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: postal, pun, pung, pushredbutton, q, realchatlogs, remove, roulete, roulettebot, roulettte, scare, sdasupport, selfcleanalias, should, specialroulette, superdice, surprise, switchtoheads, switchtotails, teamlist, texas, unix, unlock, vanhayes, wakespam, whoisshe, wikipedia, and yoda
11:04 <spidey> #help q
11:04 <armabot> spidey: (q <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "quote random".
11:04 <+wrtlprnft> don't delete #wikipedia :S
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove *
11:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no such alias.
11:04 <spidey> selfcleanalias?
11:04 <spidey> #help selfcleanalias
11:04 <armabot> spidey: (selfcleanalias <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "alias add $1 echo $* [alias remove $1]".
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll tell you what, I've got 3 flesh and blood kids. If I have to clean up this alias stuff, I'm just going to unload it.
11:05 <+wrtlprnft> #alias remove sdasupport
11:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> I have enough runny noses to rub
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> or wipe, or whatever
11:05 <+wrtlprnft> #alias remove teamlist
11:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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11:24 <spidey> someone do /ctcp ping spidey
11:24 <spidey> and tell me the response time
11:34 <+wrtlprnft> 11:34 [ctcp(spidey)] PING
11:34 <+wrtlprnft> 11:34 CTCP it's reply from spidey: not nice to ping people
11:34 <+wrtlprnft> ...
11:34 <spidey> heh
11:35 <spidey> hold on
11:35 <spidey> try now
11:39 <+wrtlprnft> 11:39 [ctcp(spidey)] PING
11:39 <+wrtlprnft> 11:39 CTCP PING reply from spidey: 1474337.335 seconds
11:39 <spidey> lol
11:39 <spidey> now i'm slower than dialup
11:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft, try one more time
11:48 <+wrtlprnft> 11:48 [ctcp(spidey)] PING
11:48 <+wrtlprnft> 11:48 CTCP PING reply from spidey: PRIVMSG spidey :APING-1111111 second(s)
11:48 <spidey> O_o
11:48 <spidey> damn it :(
11:49 <spidey> how about now O_o
11:50 <spidey> i want it to say a negative number so i can say i'm from the future damn it :(
11:52 <+wrtlprnft> ...
11:53 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
11:57 <+wrtlprnft> can someone tell me why NFS stops working once i get to the boundary of my WLAN access point, but everything else still works fine, including arma?
12:25 <spidey> omg
12:25 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Jul 10 06:25:05 2006 ...
12:25 <spidey> localhost kernel: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'artsd', page
12:25 <spidey> c12c3be0)
12:25 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Jul 10 06:25:05 2006 ...
12:25 <spidey> localhost kernel: flags:0x80000414 mapping:00000000 mapcount:0 count:0
12:25 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Jul 10 06:25:05 2006 ...
12:25 <spidey> localhost kernel: Backtrace:
12:26 <spidey> Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Jul 10 06:25:05 2006 ...
12:26 <spidey> localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed
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12:37 <spidey> wrtlprnft, how do i tell the version my x server is?
12:52 <+wrtlprnft> X -version?
12:52 <cusco> nop
12:52 <cusco> I tried that
12:52 <cusco> :P
12:52 <spidey> lol
12:53 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[/dev]$ X --version
12:53 <spidey> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
12:53 <spidey> heh
12:53 <+wrtlprnft> one v!
12:53 <+wrtlprnft> err
12:53 <+wrtlprnft> one -
12:53 <+wrtlprnft> -version, not --version
12:53 <spidey> ah
12:53 <spidey> Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 20051129054125 David Nusinow
12:53 * spidey needs to update
12:54 <+wrtlprnft> fbi.gov?
12:54 <spidey> yar
12:54 <+wrtlprnft> people have great hostnames sometimes
12:54 <spidey> lol
12:54 <spidey> it's not my hostname
12:54 <spidey> my hostname is Zion
12:54 * wrtlprnft should shut up, this computer has the hostname "laptop"
12:55 <cusco> spidey: you're using stable?
12:55 <spidey> my host name isn't fbi.gov :p
12:55 <spidey> cusco, mepis
12:55 <cusco> ow.. I don't know nothibg about that
12:55 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[/dev]$ cat /etc/profile
12:55 <spidey> # /etc/profile
12:55 <spidey> PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/games"
12:55 <spidey> # enable bash completion in interactive shells
12:55 <spidey> [ "$PS1" -a -f /etc/bash_completion ] && . /etc/bash_completion
12:55 <spidey> TTY=$(tty)
12:55 <armabot> spidey: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
12:55 <spidey> TTY=${TTY##*/}
12:55 <spidey> [ -n "$TTY" ] && PS1="\[\]\u@fbi.gov[\w]$\[\] " || PS1="\[\][\W]\u\[\] "
12:55 <cusco> debian testing got xorg7 about month agou
12:56 <cusco> I remember I lost direct rending interface.. so I hadn't 3d and I could't play tron
12:56 <cusco> :P
12:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i edited the profile file
12:56 <spidey> :p
12:56 <+wrtlprnft> my prompt's better
12:56 <spidey> lol
12:56 <spidey> laptop?
12:56 <+wrtlprnft> the overall prompt
12:57 <+wrtlprnft> colored and with error code
12:57 <spidey> the konsole ?
12:57 <+wrtlprnft> if you once worked with a colored prompt you don't want anything else, believe me
12:57 <spidey> xterm's the same thing :p
12:57 <spidey> besides
12:57 <spidey> mine shows colors
12:58 <spidey> just not everything
12:58 <+wrtlprnft> i mean colors, ie the mathias@laptop in color
12:58 * spidey screenshots
12:58 * wrtlprnft too
13:00 <+wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/promptspidey.png
13:02 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/snapshot1.png
13:02 <+wrtlprnft> uh, yellow
13:02 <+wrtlprnft> on white
13:02 <spidey> don't feel like messing with it
13:02 <spidey> lol
13:03 <+wrtlprnft> just make the background black
13:03 <+wrtlprnft> settings->sheme->transparent, dark background
13:04 <spidey> heh
13:04 <spidey> that's how you change that
13:04 <spidey> bastard wouldn't go transparent when i tried from right click > window behacior
13:05 <+wrtlprnft> and then settings->save as default
13:07 <+wrtlprnft> darn f********* shit last measure! as if i didn't have enough tabs open
13:07 <spidey> lol
13:08 <+wrtlprnft> at least my browser doesn't crash and allows me to disable js fast enough and close the tabs again
13:11 <spidey> heh
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13:18 <spidey> omg
13:18 <spidey> i broke my taskbar
13:26 <spidey> mm
13:31 <spidey> hahaha
13:31 <spidey> this x server sucks bad
13:31 <spidey> it flips out way to much
13:36 <spidey> it flips out way to much
13:36 <spidey> er
13:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://fallin-angels.com/snapshot1.png
13:56 <+wrtlprnft> pfft gtk apps
13:56 <+wrtlprnft> get gtk-engines-qt
14:01 <spidey> ?
14:01 <spidey> i realized a small problem
14:01 <spidey> my text is gray
14:01 <spidey> but yours is black
14:01 <spidey> lol
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14:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5622 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tHeap.cpp: Fixed annoying "Element not in heap" error on fatal exit, it is now replaced by tons of memory leaks. Oh well.
14:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5623 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Switched order of timesteps. Should make collision with own tail really precise now.
14:54 <cusco> what does this last ones mean?
14:54 <cusco> make colision with own tail
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14:54 <cusco> precise?
14:54 <+wrtlprnft> so you don't die
14:55 <+wrtlprnft> or die if you sould
14:55 <+wrtlprnft> *should
14:55 <+wrtlprnft> timesteps = simulation frames
14:55 <cusco> hm..
15:01 <cusco> by the way I dind't went on having the ed's fortress cloned
15:02 <cusco> instead I was having fun in a normal frtress erver
15:02 <cusco> how do I login admin to change parameters?!
15:09 <+wrtlprnft> first you need to set ADMIN_PASS to something
15:09 <+wrtlprnft> then ingame say /login yourpassword
15:09 <+wrtlprnft> and then you can say /admin CYCLE_RUBBER 4.5
15:09 <+wrtlprnft> but they won't be saved over restart
15:10 <cusco> ADMIN_PASS on the config files?
15:10 <cusco> wich file?
15:11 <+wrtlprnft> any
15:11 <+wrtlprnft> settings_custom.cfg is my recommendation
15:11 <cusco> ok
15:24 <+wrtlprnft> BF fortress is a mess O_o
15:24 <madmax|pt> sliiiiiide
15:24 <spidey> no doubt
15:25 * wrtlprnft was stupid
15:25 <spidey> i thought i was sliding when my upload was messed up the other day
15:25 * spidey wishes he was sliding as good as then
15:25 <spidey> i know
15:25 <spidey> i said you was stupid
15:25 <spidey> erm
15:25 <spidey> in the server
15:26 <+wrtlprnft> really?
15:26 <madmax|pt> yea
15:26 <spidey> yea
15:26 <spidey> :)
15:26 * spidey owns at the name guessing game :p
15:26 <spidey> i always pick you luci and van out
15:29 <spidey> #night
15:29 <armabot> Good night spidey!
15:29 <spidey> why thank you armabot
15:30 <+wrtlprnft> ?
15:30 <spidey> it means i'm going to sleep
15:30 <+wrtlprnft> 15:29 <spidey> why thank you armabot
15:30 <+wrtlprnft> the ? referred to that
15:30 <spidey> i was thanking her for telling me good night
15:31 <+wrtlprnft> good "night" at 8AM
15:31 <spidey> 8:30 am
15:31 <+wrtlprnft> 8:30, actually
15:32 <spidey> and i don't live on a schedule
15:32 <spidey> except tuesdays
15:32 <spidey> i have to go test then
15:32 <spidey> so i have to sleep the night before
15:33 <+wrtlprnft> "night" for me is defined as the time between sunset and sunrise
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5624 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Fixed "Player 1" bug triggered by network object reordering. Players always entered as Player 1, then renamed.
15:33 <spidey> Good night spidey!
15:33 <spidey> here that means you're going to sleep
15:33 <spidey> which
15:33 <spidey> i'm going to sleep
15:33 <spidey> so
15:33 <madmax|pt> erm
15:33 <spidey> good NIGHT wrtlprnft
15:34 <+wrtlprnft> g'night?
15:34 <spidey> grrr
15:34 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|zzz
15:34 <spidey|zzz> bue
15:34 <spidey|zzz> bye
15:34 <+wrtlprnft> bue spidey|zzz
15:35 <madmax|pt> cya
15:35 <madmax|pt> #realchatlogs
15:35 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
15:37 * wrtlprnft just reduced the number of tab rows from 10 to 5
15:38 <+wrtlprnft> there we have another useful alias btw
15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5625 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: Another player name fix.
15:39 <+wrtlprnft> though the usefulness of it slowly gets smaller as the file gets bigger
15:40 * wrtlprnft goes and uninstalls xorg once more
15:44 <+wrtlprnft> BAM! there goes kicker
15:45 <+wrtlprnft> wow, looks like i have to live without a taskbar for the next couple of hours
16:49 <cusco> er
16:49 <cusco> maybe you're having the same problem as me
16:49 <cusco> gnome-panel
16:49 <cusco> is sucking like 90% of cpu
16:51 <cusco> if thats the case just remove the applications menu
16:59 <+wrtlprnft> no, kicker probably crashed because i just uninstalled xorg
17:07 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5626 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/ (map_model.rb parser.rb): * MapModel handles converting to floats, and calculating angle
17:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5627 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Whoops, the antilag code produced more lag :)
17:25 <+wrtlprnft> is that last one a revert or what?
17:25 <+wrtlprnft> or just a - sign too much/too few?
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17:29 <+wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp?r1=5621&r2=5627
17:29 <+wrtlprnft> hehe
17:42 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5628 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
17:42 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added zone parsing and rendering
17:42 <armabot> armagetronad: * Fixed bug where viewbox would be translated twice
17:47 <+wrtlprnft> wish me luck, restarting x11 now
17:52 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5629 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/renderer.rb: Removed two unnecessary groups in spawn point rendering
17:53 <+wrtlprnft> great
17:54 <+wrtlprnft> still the same problem, just it doesn't crash, but the sctr
17:54 <+wrtlprnft> screen stays blank, even if i restart x using ssh
17:55 <+wrtlprnft> well, brb, need to reboot now if i want graphis
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18:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5630 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
18:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Added lag sliding warning.
18:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Hopefully improved timestep calculation.
18:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5631 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Initialized skew properly.
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18:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5632 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Disabled lag compensation when rubber is active for now. It is making too many problems. The packet loss tolerance already takes care the player doesn't get killed from lag, that's better than nothing.
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19:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man is driving the people on BF fortress crazy with this :D
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19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5633 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Umm, perhaps it would be nice not to use up credit for lag compensation if you're not actually going to compensate anything? (When rubber is active)
19:43 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
19:57 <Vanhayes> anyone know a good music player for windows?
20:00 <+luke-jr_> um
20:00 <+luke-jr_> mpg321?
20:05 <+nemostultae> http://www.foobar2000.org maybe? I've never used it. Doesn't play SHN :(
20:09 <madmax|pt> winamp?
20:13 <joda_bot> nemostultae: foobar is nice, just restricted to Windows because it uses DirectShow (X) filters ?
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20:15 <Vanhayes_> #last
20:15 <armabot> Vanhayes_: [13:13:21] <joda_bot> nemostultae: foobar is nice, just restricted to Windows because it uses DirectShow (X) filters ?
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20:16 <cusco> dudes
20:16 <cusco> http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Sport/2006/07_Luglio/10/pop_zidane.shtml
20:16 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: I'm using foobar and I'm happy
20:16 <joda_bot> I've got a friend who is interested in codecs and audio quality...
20:17 <joda_bot> and he suggested using foobar
20:17 <joda_bot> It has playlist tabs and can "normalize" the sound level of an entire album or single files
20:17 <Vanhayes> hmm sounds like what i ams looking for
20:18 <Vanhayes> low memory usage too
20:18 <joda_bot> the normalization is done by adding a tag to the file, and the normalization should not cut anything off ;)
20:18 <joda_bot> yes
20:18 <joda_bot> simple, powerful and fast
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20:23 <joda_bot> z-man-home: ever tried to search source forge for "tron" ?
20:23 <joda_bot> It's really amazing how many game projects are listed but have no real files or entries
20:44 <Lackadaisical> maybe it's because they found out about armagetron and thought that the competition was too strong to even bother
20:45 <z-man-home> One of them is by iceman, I think :)
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21:02 <Lucifer_arma> ack, what does it take to get a striaght answer?
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: any music player for windows that can play the streams off my server is a Good Music Player, afaic :)
21:03 <Vanhayes> lol
21:03 <Vanhayes> Im liking foobar
21:04 <Vanhayes> dont know if it can play your stream though
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, no dlopen in shttpd
21:09 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: it can
21:09 <Vanhayes> nice
21:10 <Vanhayes> because that plugin that spidey|zzz gave me for winamp on xchat fucked my winamp over
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> looks like shttpd does the same network stuff we do, which is what I remember last time I looked at it
21:23 <madmax|pt> slides are baaaaack
21:23 <Vanhayes> with vengance
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha. I put the water on to boil for my tea, then went to the store for cigarettes. When I got back, I discovered I hadn't put any tea bags in the water! :(
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it was almost boiling.
21:25 <+luke-jr_> =p
21:25 * Lucifer_arma didn't get much sleep last night
21:25 <+luke-jr_> that's what you get for being a druggie?
21:25 <+luke-jr_> =p
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> druggie? that the best you can do?
21:26 * Lucifer_arma considers schooling luke-jr_ on drug slang
21:26 <+luke-jr_> ...
21:26 <madmax|pt> lol
21:26 <Vanhayes> druggies get more sleep usually
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> and better sleep, at that
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21:34 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how I'm going to get gentoo to update itself?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> emerge --sync && emerge -uDav world
21:35 <wrtlprnft> the first one updates the package database and the second one everything you installed
21:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: isn't it emerge sync ?
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the problem there is that I've got X.org 6.9, which conflicts with x.org 7.somethingorother, and blocks it
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: changed in latest portage
21:36 <joda_bot> you might add emerge -N ... it checks for changed useflags ;)
21:36 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: emerge sync is deprecated
21:36 <joda_bot> oh alright ;)
21:36 <wrtlprnft> though it still works
21:36 <wrtlprnft> and to be honest I never write the -- myself
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, setting up x was a painus in the anus, and I'd like to not have to do it again, but I can't update because of it
21:37 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: config files will be merged
21:37 <joda_bot> so you won't have to go through the pain again
21:37 <joda_bot> you'll have to do the merge yourself though
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> [14:35] <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the problem there is that I've got X.org 6.9, which conflicts with x.org 7.somethingorother, and blocks it
21:37 <joda_bot> I read that
21:38 <joda_bot> usually you have to google or look at the gentoo forums ...
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> actually, usually wrtlprnft knows the answer and is waiting for me to ask the question :)
21:38 <joda_bot> well, that's a good alternative ;)
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you need to painfully update
21:39 <wrtlprnft> just did that today
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm emerge syncing again before I try emerge -uDav world so I can have something to google with
21:39 <wrtlprnft> and since that i can't close my cover anymore
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
21:40 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: this block ?
21:40 <joda_bot> Calculating world dependencies... done!
21:40 <joda_bot> [blocks B ] <=x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9 (is blocking x11-apps/xkill-1.0.1)
21:40 <joda_bot> [blocks B ] x11-libs/libXft (is blocking x11-base/xorg-x11-6.9.0)
21:40 <wrtlprnft> the screen will stay black
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the block, joda
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> wait
21:40 <joda_bot> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-435172-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-virtuals-start-25.html
21:40 <joda_bot> :-)
21:40 <wrtlprnft> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
21:41 * Lucifer_arma curses phpBB opening links in new windows
21:41 <joda_bot> yes, right, just skimmed the topic
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i have some nice userJS in opera that scans every page for target="_blank" links and removes that attribute :)
21:43 <wrtlprnft> no page should tell me where to open my links
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> konqueror lets me just say "open links that would open new windows in a new tab instead"
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> why doesn't firefox?
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> I agree in spirit, but there are some applications that really are applications that need to open dialogs and the like
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> but no website should ever try to change my focus from one window to another
21:44 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> especially since it's a maximized browser with no border forced to stay at the bottom, so new windows can only be closed by either the pull-down menu, or alt-f4
21:44 <wrtlprnft> opera never opens a new window anyways
21:45 <wrtlprnft> at least not for pages
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> any idea what the deal is with the nvidia driver on xorg 7.1?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> not me
21:46 <wrtlprnft> i read something on the nvidia driver not working if you have xorg with keyboard support
21:47 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: you can tell firefox to open new windows in tabs instead
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21:47 <Lucifer_arma> which version, joda_bot ? I'm using a pretty old version
21:47 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: ok, you've to decide now, do you want opengl or a keyboard :-P
21:47 <joda_bot> 1.5
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
21:48 <wrtlprnft> there's mouse keyboard emulators
21:48 <joda_bot> I really like the AdBLock extention for firefox ;)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> but see, also, Konqueror has had this feature for as long as I can remember, since well before Firefox existed (i.e. back when it was Mozilla/nutscrape still)
21:48 <wrtlprnft> opera has an integrated content blocker
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> I pick keyboard, it's my server, after all
21:48 <wrtlprnft> though i don't use it for ads that much
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> Konqueror sucks solely because of its memory usage, imo
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> how do I search and replace in vi? heh
21:50 <wrtlprnft> :s/find/replace/g
21:50 <wrtlprnft> and return
21:50 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I've got a automatically updated filterset for filtering ads ;)
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> how do I make it match on spaces?
21:51 <joda_bot> and you can add custom rules too
21:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just type the spaces?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> or use \S, that's all whitespace
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> it highlights all the spaces and says "couldn't find pattern"
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want all whitespace, just the stuff at the beginning of the lines
21:51 <wrtlprnft> what do you want exactly?
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I copied and pasted a package list using middle-click from a firefox window to a vi session, and it added two spaces on each line
21:52 <wrtlprnft> whitespace at the beginning of the line: :s/^\S*/whateveryouwannareplaceitby/
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's iteratively, so the first line has 2, the second has 4, the third has 6, etc
21:52 <wrtlprnft> oh, that is easier
21:52 <wrtlprnft> oh, that
21:52 <wrtlprnft> vi has a paste mode, but i forget how it works :S
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just say :paste
21:53 <wrtlprnft> and paste again
21:53 <wrtlprnft> err
21:53 <wrtlprnft> :set paste, that is
21:54 <wrtlprnft> that'll not make it insert any extra whitespace
21:54 <wrtlprnft> *make it not insert
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21:59 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: mepis broke my laptop
22:00 <anjori> 3.4-3? what happened?
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I should have thought of it before, but I hope it doesn't take all night and any of the morning to build x.org
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: well, it's the rc that was out a month ago or so. Wiped out my partition table. It's the one built on Kubuntu Dapper
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> it was actually the dapper underneath that did the breaking, and *that* is marked "stable"
22:02 <+luke-jr_> I should stop cheating on my server
22:02 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: took about two hours here
22:02 <anjori> eek
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> I recall x wasn't the bottleneck before, it was kde :)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> though it failed all the time since i tried it before and it seems the md5sums have changed
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> so, as long as KDE doesn't have to be rebuilt before I can restart X, I'm fine
22:03 <wrtlprnft> so it asked me to delete the cached file 100 times
22:03 <wrtlprnft> though i could delete quite a few packages at once
22:03 <wrtlprnft> all starting with fonts- or containing proto
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i didn't rebuild kde
22:04 <anjori> i've been taking another look at kubuntu lately--i figure i may as well cut out the middle man if i'm just going to follow mepis to the newest version--and it's already pissing me off
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, I dropped back to Breezy, but I set up a total of 3 partitions capable of taking a linux distribution
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> probably going to put gentoo on one, and if that works out I'll mark it my "don't break this, keep it backed up" partition
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'm liking gentoo on my server a lot
22:05 <anjori> i don't know why they're putting out such buggy releases as "stable". i also tried the ubuntu side and get artifacts on menu buttons. looked it up, and it's a known bug with ati cards.
22:06 <anjori> this being on a default "stable" install.
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> competition. Competition seems to have dried up the good linux distributions we used to have so now it's a wasteland of mediocrity :(
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they want us all to buy macs? :/
22:07 <Lucifer_arma> Dapper wouldn't even run on this computer, but Breezy ran fine. What's up with that? KDE's broken. What does the K in Kubuntu mean, then, if KDE is broke?!?
22:07 * Lucifer_arma googles for Kentoo
22:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i just used a kick command on your server
22:09 <anjori> on the kubuntu install i just did, i was going through their new control center settings and there's entire kcontrol modules missing. so there's entire sections missing that just report an annoying message.
22:10 <anjori> i honestly don't know what all the hype has been about. the only thing different is they have tonnes of money to throw around.
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> breezy was very nice, and still is, I"m on it right now
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> but I didn't even get far enough in dapper to see, I couldn't login because some kprogramorother wouldn't start
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> ksession, or kinit, or something like that. A dealbreaker for KDE, whatever it was.
22:11 <Lucifer_arma> if that hadn't have happened, I probably wouldn't have had it wipe out my partition table, you know? That was the weakest link in the whole ordeal, I think.
22:12 <anjori> i think i also tried breezy back when it was the current thing. wasn't impressed with that, either. wanted to nudge my roommate in the *nix direction, and looked like a fool when he insalled a piece of crap that count even mount his drives
22:12 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I think I'm looking at t2 again in a bit, since I figured out why the fonts were so damn ugly. If the distribution's going to have rough edges, at least have them in places where I can code to fix my problems.
22:13 * Lucifer_arma declares Mandriva LE 2005 as the Last Good Linux--for now.
22:13 * wrtlprnft has a better way to wipe out the harddrive: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda; done
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> you a dapper developer?
22:14 <wrtlprnft> nope
22:14 <wrtlprnft> but they could have done it more sticky, so noone can recover his/her data
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's true. If they really wanted to fuck me, they could have done a better job of it.
22:15 <anjori> i've been wanting to see what distros like mandriva and suse are doing these days, but i cant stan rpm-based distros
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> I love it when new players invent the slingshot, they get so excited! It's like when your kid wipes his butt for the first time, he's so proud!
22:15 <anjori> i also read something about ubuntu overwriting grub without so much as a prompt
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> YES THEY DID the fucking assholes!
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> only, in my case, it wasn't grub they overwrote, it was the fancy boot manager I had
22:16 <wrtlprnft> don
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 't confuse the users
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's how my t2 system I'd fallen back on became unbootable
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> well don't fuck the users, either!
22:17 <wrtlprnft> users are used to being fucked if they come from the windows area
22:17 <wrtlprnft> they're not used to be asked intelligent questions
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> so if a woman says "rape me, I'm used to it", it's ok?
22:17 <anjori> they could at least have an "advanced" option, like they do for partioning
22:18 * wrtlprnft is not saying it's ok
22:18 <anjori> *partitioning
22:18 <wrtlprnft> but it works for most distributions
22:18 <anjori> jesus, i'm tired. all kinds of typos.
22:18 <wrtlprnft> people who know what a boot manager is can reinstall their old one anyways
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's different from when you're wide awake in what way? and why does my tea taste like beer?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> better than beer that tastes like tea
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> uhhh, not exactly, wrtlprnft, because I was left with a broken system
22:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: does your system work now?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> because after that, mepis finished the job dapper started (when I was trying to get something, anything to boot)
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> well yeah, after a complete reformat and stuff
22:19 <wrtlprnft> there you go
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> and a bit of luck my original breezy cds survived all these long months
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> come on, windows users reformat to fix their machines
22:20 * wrtlprnft reboots his server as often as some people reformat their windows computers
22:20 <anjori> their are setups intelligent enough to detect a windows install and append it to grub. they could do that at least. or as i said, an advanced option
22:20 * Lucifer_arma reminds himself to check the package list on t2's livecd to see if he needs to add any tools to deal with the problem he's whining about
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> breezy detected the windows install
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, dapper did not detect any other linuxes on the machine though, and t2 was hanging out on another partition
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'd expect dapper to find windows, but ignoring linux was just silly
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, there are a lot more distributions out there. I just don't feel like going through them all to find one I like.
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> what was that one you mentioned that had the 4 corners thing and the mozilla-based window manager?
22:22 <+luke-jr_> what was wrong w/ Gentoo?
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: the gentoo machine is running fine right now...
22:23 <wrtlprnft> /devoice wrtlprnft
22:23 <wrtlprnft> 22:22 -!- #armagetron You need to be a channel operator to do that/devoice wrtlprnft
22:23 <anjori> SymphonyOS
22:23 <wrtlprnft> err
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, thanks :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> #google symphonyOs
22:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.69 seconds: Symphony Operating System: <http://www.symphonyos.com/>; Symphony OS :: Index: <http://www.symphonyos.com/forum/>; Index of /linux/ symphonyos: <http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/symphonyos/>; SymphonyOS - Act II (Alpha 4) | tuxmachines.org: <http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2050>; Tuxmachines' Gallery :: SymphonyOS Alpha 4: (2 more messages)
22:24 <anjori> based on debian (or maybe knoppix, more specifically)
22:24 <anjori> cant remember
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> knoppix
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> they're up to a beta now
22:25 <anjori> it was a very early alpha when i last tried it
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll try anything, and this one looks very promising
22:26 <wrtlprnft> is there a torrent for the beta?!
22:28 <anjori> doesn't appear to be.
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22:29 <wrtlprnft> o well
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> no torrent, but the indiana mirror is screaming at 600k/s
22:29 <wrtlprnft> indiana?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:30 <wrtlprnft> i had the first one at 200kb/s
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just rounding 20% on the download
22:30 <anjori> damn
22:30 <wrtlprnft> ah, nice
22:30 <wrtlprnft> ETA 21:00
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22:31 <anjori> maybe i should take another look at it myself
22:31 <wrtlprnft> why do i always mistake anjori for spidey?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> somehow, it's very weird
22:32 <+nemostultae> ohh, nice. Do they have a PPC release? The site is loading so slowly.
22:32 <wrtlprnft> probably since strlen("spidey") == strlen("anjory") ;)
22:33 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: don't think so
22:33 <wrtlprnft> at least not on the normal DL page
22:33 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_, I crashed your server again...
22:33 <wrtlprnft> wee
22:34 <Vanhayes> I think armagetron should get spell check
22:34 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: go and program it
22:34 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't be too hard with the right lib
22:34 <+nemostultae> yea, no PPC version
22:35 <Vanhayes> heh ya ill get right on that
22:35 <wrtlprnft> another dependenciy
22:35 * wrtlprnft is worried about the relationship of dependencies <=> actual code arma has now
22:36 <wrtlprnft> we depend on sdl, opengl, boost, xml2, ftgl, freetype, ...
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i especially don't like the boost dependency
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> 60%
22:38 <wrtlprnft> 39%
22:38 * Lucifer_arma isn't terribly happy about the boost dependency either
22:38 <wrtlprnft> no fair, i started later!
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> guru3 and I started downloads one time that he started later and he beat me
22:39 * wrtlprnft connects to Lucifer_arma's server for a bit
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember what it was, though
22:39 <@guru3> some iso
22:40 * wrtlprnft decides he has to take an exact look at the recent changes on the wiki
22:40 <wrtlprnft> ie reload it
22:41 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:41 <wrtlprnft> that wastes my downstream more than yours :S
22:42 * wrtlprnft guesses Lucifer_arma is at 75% now?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> 80%
22:45 <wrtlprnft> 90%
22:47 <wrtlprnft> about done by now i guess
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> done
22:50 * Lucifer_arma was in the shitter
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22:51 <anjori> thanks for that tidbit of information.
22:51 <wrtlprnft> again i first read spidey instead of anjori :S
22:51 <Fonkay> Does anyone know anything about installing skins on windows XP?
22:51 <anjori> it's all a mass conspiracy
22:52 <wrtlprnft> not me
22:52 * wrtlprnft goes load the thing in qemu
22:52 <Fonkay> ?
22:52 <anjori> if you would have asked me a year ago. i've tried to purge my brain of such useless information by now.
22:53 <Fonkay> I read the readme file, and the damn thing said "apply it"
22:53 <anjori> so, apply it.
22:53 <Fonkay> funny
22:53 <wrtlprnft> let's see. weak CPU, and the disk image is on a NFS file system over WLAN
22:53 <wrtlprnft> won't be blazing fast i guess
22:54 <anjori> talking about symphony?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:54 * Lucifer_arma burns slow anyway, 4x
22:54 <wrtlprnft> I won't reboot my machine just yet
22:54 <wrtlprnft> so i use qemu to see what it's like
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> the most important question is: does it have ndiswrapper?
22:55 <Fonkay> ugh, I'm so lost
22:55 <wrtlprnft> pfft, get an intel card
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nice opensource driver
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> Fonkay: I don't know the answer to your question, sorry. Unlike anjori, I never knew. I don't put useless information in my brain to be purged later.
22:56 <anjori> lucifer: it's built on knoppix, so just get ndiswrapper from the debian repos :P
22:56 <anjori> heh. shush.
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: got a recommendation on how I should do that?
22:56 <anjori> that was my point :P
22:56 <wrtlprnft> apt-get?
22:56 <Fonkay> ok, well, I quit then
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> uhhh, no ndiswrapper, no network?
22:56 <anjori> he can't without having ndiswrapper first ;)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> temporarily use a lan cable?
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> my server's got the long cable right now
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22:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok, I'll just look at their screenshots until the server's done building x.org, with one hand on the mouse and the other....ummmm
22:58 <wrtlprnft> gah, symphony uses the wrong keyboard layout :S
22:58 * wrtlprnft doesn't wanna know
23:00 <wrtlprnft> second, the whole desktop is a web page?
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> it uses mozilla's fancy engine
23:02 <wrtlprnft> together with those image placeholders if they're not loaded yet
23:02 <wrtlprnft> so slow it is
23:02 * Lucifer_arma mutters about qemu and nfs
23:02 <wrtlprnft> not about wlan
23:02 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> still burning
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> getting excited looking at the screenshots
23:03 <wrtlprnft> want me to make some?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> the careful construction of my desktop was inspired by symphonyOS, so I've had a chance to use some of the concepts they've got and build on them some
23:03 <wrtlprnft> not a lot to see except for some fancy menus tho
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, now I'm bored of their screenshots :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's like a car, it doesn't get interesting until you drive it
23:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, it takes ages to get something on the screen that's worth schooting anyways
23:06 * wrtlprnft has never been particularily intersted in driving a car
23:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O yet another openoffice compile waiting to happen
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> only 106 more packages left to emerge
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> 105 now
23:10 <wrtlprnft> 36 here, but openoffice takes hours
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> 'm sorry, but I don't want a degree form someone who says "Dergees bsaed on yuor kowdlegdne"
23:10 * wrtlprnft wonders if it's possible that the compile process he just started might make symphony slower than it already is
23:11 <wrtlprnft> take a radian instead?
23:11 * Lucifer_arma wonders if water's wet, if cockroaches are dirty, and if shit smells
23:11 <wrtlprnft> it's significantly more than a degree
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's just over 60 degrees, in fact
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how many of those are doctorates?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 radian in degrees
23:11 <armabot> 1 radian = 57.2957795 degrees
23:12 <wrtlprnft> it's not
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 * 180 / pi
23:12 <armabot> (1 * 180) / pi = 57.2957795
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 * 180/pi
23:12 <armabot> (1 * 180) / pi = 57.2957795
23:12 <wrtlprnft> pi is a bit over 3, right?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, 3.14someotherstuff
23:12 <wrtlprnft> 180/3 is 60
23:12 <wrtlprnft> so it's more than 3, so it's less than 60
23:13 * Lucifer_arma is remembering it wrong, but can't argue with the conversion
23:13 * wrtlprnft just loves useless nitpicking
23:13 <wrtlprnft> heck, i clicked that close menu button on symphony 5 minutes ago!
23:13 <wrtlprnft> stull nothing happened
23:14 * Lucifer_arma thinks wrtlprnft will learn a new definition of nitpicking sometime after he gets married
23:15 <wrtlprnft> might be
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cd's burnt
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> got the compile job moved to a screen session
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> now we'll look at symphonyos, after a cigarrette that is
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> probably come back quickly if I don't find ndiswrapper on it
23:23 <wrtlprnft> anyways, if it's based on knoppix it should have that thing
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23:25 <anjori> i just read that it's now based on debian unstable
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23:43 <Lucifer_arma> it has ndiswrapper!
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> on the liveCD, even
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's still pretty rough around the edges, though
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23:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hello everyone
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> hi
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> finally
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got my system back in a working state :D
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
23:49 <Vanhayes> hello
23:49 * Lucifer_arma congratulates DarkStar
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> gaim doesn't have tab completion?
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks :D
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, brb, rebooting.
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> gaim sucks ass anyways
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's OK
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but for irc
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you better use irssi :D
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and if you do not have X running
23:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you can use irssi + bitlbee
23:51 <anjori> i used to use it, but there wasnt any point when i dropped protocols other than jabber. i use psi now
23:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> psi?
23:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so you're a windows person, eh?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> pounds per square inch?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> he isn't
23:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> isn't psi win only?
23:51 <anjori> http://psi-im.org/
23:51 <anjori> no
23:51 <wrtlprnft> gah, imperial units suck just as gaim sucks
23:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: quarter rotations per leap year
23:52 <anjori> x-chat for irc. though i'm trying out konversation right now
23:52 <wrtlprnft> I won't say kopete rocks, but it does a fine job for the few icq/msn/jabber/aim conversations i have
23:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
23:53 <anjori> i've tried it a couple times and just can't get into it. seems to be lacking a lot
23:53 <wrtlprnft> irssi or kopete or konversation?
23:54 <anjori> kopete
23:54 <wrtlprnft> doesn't seem to lack anything important to me
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23:54 <wrtlprnft> of course, if you want a truckload of stupid features you're better off with the original software
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I feel soooo let down
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> at least screen worked out for me :)
23:55 <wrtlprnft> stupid giant smileys, nudges, games, rich text, smileys in nicknames (!), 80 char nicks, all that shit people love
23:55 <wrtlprnft> :D
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's on 43 of 108 now
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> I can live with their one-click repo being so small, I'll be happy to try to add more stuff to it
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> but what I can't live with is the fact that 3 of the 4 corners go to useless space
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> what's the point, then? One is trash, one is just a "file" desktop, but if you click to open a device/directory, it opens a browser on the application desktop
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> one is for config, and there's 2 config programs. Login manager and desktop manager. no network config, none of that stuff. Which I can live with, if they didn't take an entire desktop for that
23:57 * wrtlprnft thinks Lucifer_arma must be happy with a screen that has 8 edges
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no obvious way to configure the behavior of the desktops, my impression from looking at it before was that they weren't going to let you
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, consider what I've got
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 4 desktops, too. Right?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> On one is my web browser and email client. Another has Kate, maximized.
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> A third has my calendar, and the fourth is my "config/file browser/everything else" desktop
23:59 <wrtlprnft> that makes 16 corners?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> trashcan? I don't need a trashcan
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> this is my regular kde desktop
23:59 <wrtlprnft> ooooh, all the windows users do
23:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone here run Xgl?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> so yeah, there'd be 16 corners if each one had a separate set of corners
23:59 * wrtlprnft might try once he can actually close his laptop cover
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> look at it that way, Symphony only has one desktop
Log from 2006-07-11:
--- Day changed Tue Jul 11 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I can handle the rough edges, but it's like living in an apartment after you've lived in a house
00:00 * wrtlprnft likes the apartment more than the house
00:02 * wrtlprnft hates email clients that use AW: instead of Re:
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's like moving into a studio apartment after you've lived in a 1/2 bedroom
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that leads to conversations like Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: blah
00:03 <wrtlprnft> darn localisation stuff
00:03 * [Xpert]DarkStar searches his desk for the headset
00:04 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night wrtlprnft
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00:07 <Vanhayes> spidey|zzz, you there?
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm off
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:09 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
00:09 <Vanhayes> night
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> damn. eta on kde 4 developer release is october
00:12 * Lucifer_arma wonders how stable it'll be then
00:14 -!- spidey|zzz is now known as spidey
00:14 <spidey> yo
00:15 * anjori is very excited to see what kde4 will bring
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:17 * Lucifer_arma wants to start running plasma right now
00:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5634 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: More missing initializations.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> finally got to the plasma channel, and couldn't think of what I wanted to ask :)
00:20 * Lucifer_arma wonders how many people in #kde use gaim
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5635 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Improved rubber precision by predicting rubber usage for the reservoir mindistance.
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Smoothly blend from distance based turn commands (without rubber active) to time based turn commands (with full rubber active, when sitting directly in front of a wall).
00:21 <z-man> I hope that finally eliminates the bugfarm lag
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00:44 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: it would restart after a crash immediately-- maybe you just misconfigured it? ;)
00:44 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: in which case, it takes at most an hour
00:44 <+luke-jr_> nemostultae: so compile a PPC build? O.o
00:45 <Vanhayes> I just put in the wrong map file, missspelled it or left out a capital or something
00:45 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: anjori: funny you talk about kde4-- just got the dependencies cleared up on my desktop system
00:45 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: I have DEDICATED_IDLE 1 set
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, gonna fool with icewm
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00:52 <madmax|pt> o_O
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01:03 <spidey> i wish mepis had a server install :/
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> I am now installing a whole shitload of window managers
01:06 <spidey> hahaha
01:06 <spidey> try blackbox
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's in there
01:06 <spidey> you'll like it if you can configure it
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want something that gives me what icewm promises. :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> workspaces instead of desktops
01:06 <spidey> um
01:06 <spidey> flux and blackbox does that
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm like 80% there with kde3.5, and kde4 will in all likelihood give me everything I want
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> but kde4 isn't here *now*
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, biab
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01:09 <+luke-jr_> what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:09 <spidey> not sure
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:09 <+luke-jr_> =p
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01:10 <+luke-jr_> what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:10 <spidey> lol
01:10 <+luke-jr_> ...
01:10 <+luke-jr_> w00t KDE 4 configured
01:11 <+luke-jr_> ooh, colourful makefiles
01:11 <+luke-jr_> purple and green, too
01:11 <+luke-jr_> my fav. colours!
01:11 <+luke-jr_> and blue!
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> now how the hell do I configure this thing?
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's blackbox
01:11 <+luke-jr_> blue is moc
01:11 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, right click the desktop
01:12 <spidey> xTerm
01:12 <spidey> locate blackbox
01:12 <+luke-jr_> lol
01:12 <spidey> use nano to edit the files
01:12 <+luke-jr_> no, use vim!
01:12 <spidey> nano!
01:13 <+luke-jr_> =p
01:13 <+luke-jr_> joe!
01:13 <+luke-jr_> nono
01:13 <+luke-jr_> jstar!1
01:13 <spidey> lol
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> edit the files? how quaint
01:13 <spidey> quaint?
01:13 * luke-jr_ bets Lucifer_arma would be at home w/ jstar =p
01:13 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so... going to differentiate workspace and desktop for us?
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, for the same reason I don't try to differentiate red and blue for my kids
01:14 <+luke-jr_> ...
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not obvious, that's your problem
01:14 <spidey> LOL
01:14 <+luke-jr_> nobody else here has said they know what you're talking about
01:15 <+luke-jr_> seems to me like only you know
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> not really relevant, luke. I've learned not to answer your questions unless you actually need help doing something
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> because it's just a waste of time. You're going to nitpick every detail and completely ignore what I'm actually trying to say.
01:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> why should I bother? just 1 good reason.
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> it does have to be a factual reason that can be supported by objective experiences
01:18 <spidey> O_o
01:18 <spidey> yo
01:18 <spidey> smaller words please!
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> #dict smaller
01:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: smaller adj : small or little relative to something else [syn: {littler}]; moby-thes: 32 Moby Thesaurus words for "smaller": abated, ablated, attenuated, bated, belittled, consumed, contracted, curtailed, decreased, deflated, diminished, dissipated, dropped, eroded, fallen, fewer, less, lesser, lower, lowered, miniaturized, not so (7 more messages)
01:18 <spidey> ok luke-jr
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01:21 * [Xpert]DarkStar turns on keyboard backlight
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01:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> re
01:21 <spidey> mm
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, everything but kde crashed after I ran blackbox for a little bit :(
01:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
01:22 <spidey> players
01:22 <spidey> er
01:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> use fluxbox anyway
01:22 <+luke-jr_> lucifer_arma: I can't help you find what you're looking for if I haven't a clue what it is?
01:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to all gentoo users: is it a good idea to emerge gnome on a 500mhz machine?
01:24 <+luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: it's a bad idea to emerge gnome on any machine
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> depends...
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i need it to play with xgl...
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and xgl is so damn cool man
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> makes vista and mac os x looks like crap
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> biab
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> vista is crap anyway
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01:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: why would you say gnome is bad?
01:29 <+luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: slow, unusable, ugly, etc
01:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
01:29 <+luke-jr_> KDE won't work?
01:29 <+luke-jr_> how about twm? =p
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> twm rocks :P
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no honestly... twm is the only thing i have right now
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i hate it
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01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> haven't tried kde yet
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i'm not really a friend of kde...
01:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> iirc xgl will work with kde4
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell do you use xfce?
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> xfce?
01:32 <+nemostultae> xfce
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> never used xfce
01:32 <+nemostultae> I have
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is it good?
01:32 <+nemostultae> not so much
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what makes it not so good?
01:32 <+nemostultae> well I used it on my sparcbox, it was still kinda slow
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sparc :D
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> how about the fact that every xfce application is crashing?
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> enough to keep me away from xfce
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to use fluxbox
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that one is nice
01:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyway... gnome is cool too
01:34 <+nemostultae> try wmii 3 if you want your head to explode, or you like vim.
01:34 <+nemostultae> of if*
01:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try xpde if you want to puke or if you like wintendo
01:34 <+nemostultae> or if*
01:34 <+nemostultae> *
01:35 * madmax|pt *
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> everything that tries to open a new window is falling apart :(
01:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wintendo is a cool name for the most useless wannabe-OS
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> shame, it looks really nice
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01:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the gnome emerge is going rather slow on my old vaio... hope it'll finish some time this week...
01:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> god... the vaio is like overheating :S
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01:46 <Lucifer_arma> aha, xfce is broke in kubuntu
01:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i still prefer gentoo to any other distro
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01:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> window maker started without crashing
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01:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shit...
01:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> locked up my box -.-
01:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try sleeping again
02:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
02:00 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> window maker is very nice
02:06 <spidey> which one?
02:06 <spidey> ohnvm
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03:30 <mkzelda> can u put a trigger into the bot that will tell u a full command for svn co
03:31 <mkzelda> i always have to reference the web, a trigger would be sweet
03:32 <+nemostultae> sure, just make an alias to echo the command
03:39 <mkzelda> i dont think the bot listens to me anymore
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04:14 * spidey pokes mom
04:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey
04:15 <spidey> mm
04:15 * spidey thinks about hosting another server on my webserver
04:15 <spidey> i got 500gb transfer and only use like 400mb
04:15 <spidey> lol
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> does someone else host it?
04:15 <spidey> ya
04:16 <spidey> the people i get my webserver hosting
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05:27 <Lizz> hello whoevers here'
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> hi wolvie
05:27 <Lizz> hiya luci
05:28 * Lucifer_arma wants to write a desktop environment with pyqt
05:28 <Lizz> why not just write with a pen like normal ppl?
05:28 * Lucifer_arma thinks he'll put gentoo on one of his spare partitions so next time he thinks about writing a desktop environment, he can
05:28 * Lucifer_arma wonders where Lizz got the idea he did things like normal people
05:29 <Lizz> gossip
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> blasphemy!
05:29 <Lizz> i heard u were as normal as they come
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've always thought you MBCers lived in a cave
05:29 <Lizz> we do
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
05:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, (1 more message)
05:30 <Lizz> i like my animal fur bed and my men sparcely dressed
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> throw some soy sauce on that mixture and I'll grill it for ya
05:30 <Lizz> u gonna grill me a man?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> you provide the man, of course
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> but don't use poison, it toughens the meat
05:31 <Lizz> ill just take a couple from that list over ~~~~~> there
05:31 <spidey> don't use luke-jr_
05:31 <Lizz> naa.. too young anyway
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> too stringy?
05:32 <spidey> LOL
05:32 <Lizz> need older meat
05:32 <spidey> you could always use cusco
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> sure he's not a bot?
05:32 <Lizz> maybe drat
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> only if you like the taste of marijuana in your meat
05:33 <Lizz> and even tho anj is young like luke.. hes hot
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> but there's something to say about a guy that gets you high when he's on your plate
05:33 <Lizz> mmmm
05:33 <spidey> LOL
05:33 <Lizz> i wonder if he will lick the bowl..
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> definitely not Vanhayes. Frozen meat doesn't cook up too well
05:33 <spidey> lol
05:33 <Lizz> but i hear canadian meat is sweet
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> but it takes years to thaw it out
05:34 <spidey> hahha
05:34 <spidey> i just got that
05:34 <Lizz> not if u use the erm.. right cooking technique luci
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, I usually do stir-fry, which requires the meat to be thawed enough to cut
05:35 <Lizz> unless ur in mongolia
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> manflesh is generally too stringy for other things, and too bony too
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, mongolian barbecue
05:36 * Lucifer_arma loves mongolian barbecue
05:36 <spidey> #g 45/3
05:36 <armabot> 45 / 3 = 15
05:36 <Lizz> mongolian cooking shaves the meat while frozen then stir frys it
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:36 <Lizz> is yum
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> is very yum
05:36 <Lizz> :)
05:37 <spidey> what shit
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> is mostly lamb, iirc, so naturally the only way to get it down here is pork, chicken, and beef
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> lamb is expensive
05:37 * spidey notes that because you put a cigarette out
05:37 <spidey> it isn't out
05:37 <Lizz> cant possible eat spider seeing as hes my kid.. so.. will have to go with drat as hes older
05:37 * spidey has 4 holes in his binder now
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, we need spidey around anyway. He has a knack for producing armagetron servers
05:38 <Lizz> lambs cheap here.. so mongolian is common
05:38 <spidey> i'm getting 3 more!
05:38 <spidey> 2 more**
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> if he learned how to build arma on mac, he'd have a hundred of 'em already
05:38 <Lizz> lol
05:38 <spidey> :/
05:38 <spidey> um
05:39 <spidey> the first server
05:39 <mkzelda> what is it I edit to fix the prob w/ boostrap
05:39 <spidey> was run on a mac
05:39 <mkzelda> the custom dirs
05:39 <spidey> btw
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> there's a problem with bootstrap?
05:40 <Lizz> bbiab.. i fancy a shower
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> ko. I've got some work to do anyway.
05:40 <mkzelda> yea, something w/ luke's custom directories
05:41 <mkzelda> just have to comment something and it works
05:42 <mkzelda> m4_include(accustomdir.m4) in configure.ac
05:42 <mkzelda> i can confirm that on several machines
05:44 * Lucifer_arma has been wondering what accustomdir.m4 has in it
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> yay, updating my server finally
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> is modular x that much better than the old stuff?
05:44 <mkzelda> yay, got my amd64 working for first time in like 2 months
05:44 <mkzelda> YES
05:44 <mkzelda> as are the split kde ebuilds
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
05:45 <spidey> wow
05:45 <mkzelda> recompiling 1 300k app instead of the whole 30mb junk
05:45 <spidey> i'm on page 10 already O_o
05:45 <mkzelda> everything is getting updated so much faster now
05:45 <mkzelda> so much progress on all Xorg code
05:45 <mkzelda> they needed it a long time ago
05:45 * spidey should update his X
05:45 <spidey> it errors out to much
05:47 <mkzelda> sdl-image, smpeg, sdl-mixer, ftgl, boost... any other deps?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> boost is the only one that doesn't get caught by configure
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libvorbis is needed for the sound effects, but sdl-mixer should catch that for you
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libsdl (the core library, of course)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> an opengl devel package :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's it
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> pretty damn recent autotools, but you won't even get a configure script without that
05:55 <mkzelda> woooo
05:55 <mkzelda> finally
05:55 <mkzelda> havent used trunk in a long time
05:56 <mkzelda> how i've missed nick/command completion
05:56 <mkzelda> and playlists
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I think you're the only person who's told me he's happy with the music stuff. :(
05:58 <mkzelda> works great for me, cept i liked it more when the playlist auto-started
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> not that it couldn't be better, just that people have complained a lot since 0.3.0 came out.
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I liked it more then, too.
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> it felt more real
05:59 * Lucifer_arma doesn't even know why it stopped auto-starting
06:00 <mkzelda> i often forget to start it
06:00 <mkzelda> and realize ive played an hour w/ no music
06:00 <spidey> lol
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing without for a little while, but now that 0.3.0's out, I can tear up the sound engine again
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> maybe later this week....we'll see
06:00 <mkzelda> now that its using this different font, i cant read the menu item descriptions
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> they flow off the screen?
06:00 <mkzelda> yea
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> nag wrtlprnft about it when you see him next :)
06:00 <mkzelda> k
06:01 <spidey> actually
06:01 <spidey> that's the table posistion
06:01 <spidey> move it more to the left
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> for menu item descriptions?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> like, when you hover on a menu item and you see a little blurb at the bottom that describes it to you?
06:02 <spidey> that shows the thing playing up in the top right?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> nononono
06:02 <spidey> oh
06:02 <mkzelda> yes
06:02 <mkzelda> for that luci
06:02 <mkzelda> on swap mode i noticed it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's been there a little while. The new font system is still settling. :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> even so, the planned font system isn't here yet.
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> if we can call what we want a planned system, heh
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> good USE flags for a kde system?
06:06 <mkzelda> omg this looks nice
06:06 <mkzelda> how much ram u have?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty good question
06:07 <spidey> LOL
06:07 <Lizz> sorry to but in.. but can u plz tell me who owns shrunkland server?
06:07 <spidey> cat /proc/meminfo
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> looks like 512MB
06:07 <mkzelda> theres a kdeenablefinal flag
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: last I checked, Swampy still owned it, but Silly was remote admin there
06:07 <mkzelda> that will speed compilation time
06:07 <Lizz> ok ty luci
06:07 <mkzelda> thats not helpful for system, but relevant if you're about to build
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> why? you get booted for being in a clan?
06:07 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ cat /proc/meminfo
06:07 <spidey> MemTotal: 377112 kB
06:07 <spidey> :(
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I'm about to build
06:08 <Lizz> not today no
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> so, something I can copy and paste would be nice :)
06:08 <spidey> silly = scope?
06:08 <mkzelda> it works by creating one giant file instead of lots of little ones
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, now louven
06:08 <spidey> bah
06:08 <Lizz> was guy MBC lmao
06:08 * Lucifer_arma nods
06:08 <spidey> heh
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'm planning on hacking this system pretty hard
06:09 <mkzelda> USE="kdeenablefinal kdehiddenvisibility xinerama" emerge -av kdebase-startkde
06:09 <spidey> he's never kicked me for being clan
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I'm not quite there
06:09 <Lizz> guy woill just boot me coz he dont like me.. so will just avoid that server when hes there.. thx luci for the info
06:09 <mkzelda> i dunno what all u plan to use
06:09 <Lizz> will*
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> these are use flags for make.conf
06:09 <mkzelda> yea
06:09 <mkzelda> im throwing those suggestions out there already
06:09 <mkzelda> and if u do that command line u can see what use flags are available
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, haven't chrooted yet
06:10 <mkzelda> i usually do that to see what i might be missing
06:10 <mkzelda> i usually have a lot of multimedia use flags
06:11 <mkzelda> mp3 flac ogg vorbis wma wmf win32codecs real quicktime mpeg mad ffmpeg...
06:11 <mkzelda> i do a lot of console use flags too
06:11 <mkzelda> fbcon svga directfb aalib libcaca
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_Linux:_Configuring <-- how do these look, the ones down the page a bit?
06:16 <mkzelda> yea they look fine
06:16 <mkzelda> its not terribly bad to forget something
06:17 <mkzelda> if u add some use flag to make.conf and then do an emerge -Nav world u can see all the packages that will be rebuilt b/c they didnt have the use flag before
06:17 <mkzelda> but i'd definatly use that kdeenablefinal and kdehiddenvisibility b4 u start kde
06:17 <mkzelda> and i'd suggest the split ebuild kde instead of monolithic
06:18 <mkzelda> so u only have to snag like 100 apps instead of the 380ish the large kde builds have
06:18 <mkzelda> no more kdeedu and junk
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I want the kdeedu and junk :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> call me crazy....
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good mirror?
06:20 <mkzelda> if u want everything, then dont go that route, it will take longer
06:20 <mkzelda> u dont have to worry about that so much anymore
06:20 <mkzelda> the default server chucks you out pretty well
06:20 <mkzelda> its a mirror rotation
06:20 <mkzelda> but mirror.datapipe.net does well for me
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have a mirror marked on the server
06:21 <mkzelda> yea, its got a default if u dont set anything
06:21 <mkzelda> and the default is the rotating linker
06:21 <mkzelda> i just did that this last install and everything i dl'd went at 600k/s
06:22 <mkzelda> add ccache and parallel-fetch to your FEATURES=
06:22 <mkzelda> parallel-fetch will start downloading the files for the next package to emerge while compiling the first
06:22 <mkzelda> ccache is compiler cache
06:23 <mkzelda> emerge ccache before you get going on a long emerge, and run ccache -M 2G (or however much space you want to use)
06:24 <mkzelda> 2G igs is a good amount
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm..... emerge --sync right now
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> just chrooted
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, do I need an ndiswrapper use flag?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:26 * Lucifer_arma puts "buy a wlan card supported by linux natively" on his todo list
06:26 * Lucifer_arma is getting tired of dealing with ndiswrapper
06:26 <mkzelda> i'd guess u need that, ive never had a need for that so i dunno
06:27 <mkzelda> heh, remember that flame thread
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. but I'm using Kubuntu as the host, not the liveCD
06:27 <mkzelda> yea
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm remembering that and some support I got in #gentoo and still hoping for the best
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> when I was fooling with window managers earlier, I had an epiphany. I *can* write a desktop environment in python using pyqt and have a good window manager
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is, if I'm going to do that, I really need to use pyqt4, but on this kubuntu machine, I can' thave pyqt3 and pyqt4 together for some weird reason
06:31 <mkzelda> so u gonna do that when u get this install done?
06:31 <mkzelda> just discovered gtk-engines-qt
06:31 <mkzelda> makes gtk apps look like your current kde theme
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking seriously about it, since that was the dealbreaker
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, apparently kubuntu uses the gtk-themes-qt thing, because my gtk apps fit right in
06:32 <mkzelda> about 8 years ago i used to have a super hacked up afterstep that was what i considered perfection
06:32 <mkzelda> ive never had a wm/de anywhere close to that again
06:33 <mkzelda> i'd use the new as 2.0 series but its got like 2 major things i hate about it and cant for the life of me figure out how to fix
06:33 <mkzelda> like 16 virtual desktops
06:33 <mkzelda> its xinerama behaviour is a bit retarded
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmm. xinerama isn't a big deal to me. heh
06:37 <mkzelda> its not for me anymore either now that i've had 2 19" monitors die
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I tried out SymphonyOS earlier today, and my final impression was that they bit off more than they can chew, and they're using the wrong platform fundamentally.
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> mozilla just doesn't make a very good desktop environment. It sounds nice, but it just doesn't work. :(
06:37 <mkzelda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110353
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually, my firefox looks very nice right now
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I must admit I don't remember which theme I picked :)
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> (kde theme, that is)
06:41 <mkzelda> woo, finally some signs of gigabit lan
06:41 <mkzelda> 21350K/s
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> what's ping times look like? same?
06:42 <mkzelda> i think its the read speed of source files thats limiting more th an the write speed of destination
06:42 <mkzelda> probably
06:42 <mkzelda> havent gotten that fire
06:42 <mkzelda> transferring over music for playlist
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, used to be that my server wasn't fast enough for my network. :) It is now, though.
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, kernel's building now
06:43 <mkzelda> my harddrives in all my machines are crappy, cept my 2 new 10,000rpm 16mb cache sata150 drives
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> my server's installing qt4 for some reason
06:44 <mkzelda> kpdf requires cairo, cairo has qt3 and qt4 use flags
06:44 <mkzelda> both can exist simultaneously
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I've got reasonably fast hard drives, it's still the CPU that's the bottleneck on the server.
06:44 <mkzelda> its slotted
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's only Kubuntu that doesn't like qt3 and qt4 next to each other
06:44 <mkzelda> both are needed at this point
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be happy to change to pyqt4!
06:44 <mkzelda> qt3 is required still,
06:44 <mkzelda> as a large chunk of kde still uses it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> provided it'll respect my chosen kde theme :)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I write my python desktop environment, I'd like to start with qt4 from the get-go ;)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, it might be worth my time to see what wxUniversal looks like
06:46 <mkzelda> kde 4 series will be all qt4
06:46 <mkzelda> obviously
06:46 <mkzelda> heh
06:46 <mkzelda> i dont think they're too far away
06:46 <mkzelda> another year?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> october is the first scheduled developer release
06:46 <mkzelda> they have a project status page
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the wxX11 screenshots are freaking ugly
06:55 <spidey> mm
06:55 <spidey> i'ma try something
06:55 <spidey> wooo
06:55 <spidey> i can x out xchat but keep a undocked window of it open
07:03 <mkzelda> i like this new font for most things, but not the scoreboard
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07:14 <spidey> erm
07:15 <spidey> i tried to download the autopackage and got the source instead of the download :/
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> oops
07:16 * Lucifer_arma loves the new font for all things ingame
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but I tried it in konversation and it wasn't pretty
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:16 <spidey> lol
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07:28 * spidey growls
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07:30 <Lucifer_arma> spiders don't growl
07:30 <spidey> this one does
07:30 <spidey> xD
07:30 * Lucifer_arma politely greets z-man
07:31 * spidey trips z-man O_o
07:31 * Lucifer_arma eats one of spidey's legs--the chewy one
07:31 <spidey> ::o
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what, if you want to scare a young kid, tell them you'll eat them if they don't do something
07:32 <spidey> hahahahah
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> as in "You've got 5 minutes to clean your room or you'll be my dinner"
07:32 <spidey> hey to change "someone "core dumped" someone to
07:32 <Vanhayes> #g 22*14*6*4*12
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> just, uh, don't get in the habit of making threats to kids you can't execute on
07:32 <armabot> 22 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 88,704
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> language file, spidey
07:32 <spidey> "someone "pwned" someone
07:32 <spidey> ohhhhh
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the thing to do is to create a new one and put the messages you want in it
07:32 <spidey> i didn't see that?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> then add that file to languages.txt
07:33 * Lucifer_arma should write that up on the wiki sometime
07:33 <spidey> where's the language file O_o
07:33 <Vanhayes> 13*6*4*12
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> prefix/share/games/armagetronad/languages ?
07:33 <Vanhayes> #g 13*6*4*12
07:33 <armabot> 13 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 3,744
07:34 <Vanhayes> #g 13*14*6*4*12
07:34 <armabot> 13 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 52,416
07:34 <spidey> /home/spidey/Desktop/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/share/games/armagetronad/language
07:34 <Vanhayes> hmm
07:34 <spidey> remember i couldn't install the autopackage
07:34 <spidey> so luke just extracted it
07:34 <spidey> and it runs like that
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't install it?
07:35 <spidey> on the webserver
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> webserver?
07:35 <spidey> yar....
07:35 <spidey> that's where my fort server is running
07:35 <spidey> :p
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yar....?
07:35 <spidey> yea....
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> your webserver?
07:35 * spidey pokes Lucifer_arma
07:36 <Vanhayes> spidey, is a pirate
07:36 <spidey> LOL
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> VANHAYES IS THE COMMA KING
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> the king of commas
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> the prince of punctuation
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's it
07:37 <spidey> Search string 'core' not found!
07:37 <Vanhayes> nah not all puncuation, mostly just commas
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> he is also the spelling sissy
07:38 <Vanhayes> how so?
07:42 <Vanhayes> #g 52,416- 88,704
07:42 <armabot> 52,416 - 88,704 = -36,288
07:43 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i don't see where to edit it...
07:43 <spidey> i looked in languages.txt
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's the file you add your special file to
07:43 <spidey> languages.txt.in
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> english_base is the one you want
07:44 <spidey> yea i looked there to
07:44 <spidey> and
07:44 <spidey> english_base_notranslate.txt
07:44 <spidey> that one to
07:44 <spidey> End of document reached.
07:44 <spidey> Continue from the beginning?
07:44 <spidey> Search string 'ciore dump' not found!
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> line 2066 of english_base.txt
07:45 <spidey> wow
07:45 <spidey> gimme some words from it
07:45 <spidey> lol
07:45 <spidey> kwrite doesn't show lines
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> view->show line numbers
07:46 * Lucifer_arma rolls eyes
07:46 <spidey> network_kill_full The server is full.
07:46 <spidey> that's 2066
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmmm
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> english_base.txt?
07:46 <spidey> yes
07:47 <spidey> this is 2.8.2 right?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> player_win_frag \1 core dumped \3 for \2 points.\n
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> fine, search player_win_frag then
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I'm looking in the trunk
07:47 <spidey> Search string 'player_win_frag ...3 for \2 points.\n' not found!
07:47 <spidey> lol
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> search just player_win_frag
07:50 <spidey> Search string 'player_win_frag' not found!
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> look harder?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> find this:
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> # messages about player activity
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> user your eyes to find it if you need to, that's how I usually found it
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07:55 <Vanhayes> #list
07:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
07:56 <spidey> omg
07:56 <spidey> i found it then messed something up
07:56 <spidey> lol
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08:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5636 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetObject.cpp nNetObject.h): Added facility for WriteSync() implementations to find out who the sync is for.
08:02 * Lizz slaps spider
08:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5637 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added lag compensation hack for old clients.
08:08 <spidey> ok
08:08 <spidey> setting changed
08:08 * spidey bets he did it wrong
08:08 <Vanhayes> is it up?
08:12 <Lizz> hiya vanners
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be entertaining if my laptop manages to emerge all of kde before my server finished qt4
08:18 <spidey> it worked
08:18 <spidey> lol
08:20 <Vanhayes> hey Lizz
08:23 <spidey> gotta write the enter message about noobs
08:23 <Vanhayes> ehat about tking message?
08:24 <spidey> no,about teaching before kicking :p
08:24 <Vanhayes> What*
08:24 <Lizz> what u gonna say re noobs?
08:24 <Lizz> seeing psyko called me one >.<
08:24 <spidey> LOL
08:24 <spidey> he doesn't count
08:24 <Lizz> i kno.. fw
08:24 <Lizz> :D
08:24 <spidey> lol
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's it. Next time I find the alias plugin so littered with junk, I'm disabling it.
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
08:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was quite ruthless about it, I think
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> but still with a spark of generosity
08:25 <spidey> #help gcalc
08:25 <armabot> spidey: (gcalc <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
08:25 <spidey> #help g
08:25 <armabot> spidey: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*]".
08:25 <Lizz> i have nfi what ur on about luci.. but whatever u say lol
08:25 <spidey> you missed one
08:26 <spidey> :p
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> ? those are both useful aliases
08:26 <spidey> they're both the samething
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean they're not useful
08:26 <spidey> #gcalc 5*5
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> m and message are the same things too
08:26 <armabot> spidey: 5 * 5 = 25
08:26 <spidey> #g 5*5
08:26 <armabot> 5 * 5 = 25
08:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, should i disable kick voting?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, should you?
08:28 <spidey> dunno
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> personally I like to have it. The alternative is a small army of moderators, and keeping them in check isn't something I want to do
08:28 <spidey> it's a place to help new players learn
08:28 <spidey> if they can kick they'll do that first
08:28 <spidey> but
08:28 <spidey> if one of the people that know how to play starrt fucking around
08:29 <spidey> they're stuck with them
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, people will abuse the lack of kick voting more often than not having it will help
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer instead to be easily accessible to players and to respond quickly and decisively when there are problems
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I've been known to ban people for talking trash to new players...
08:30 <spidey> heh
08:30 <spidey> ah
08:30 <spidey> mmm
08:30 <spidey> 1 connection per ip
08:30 <spidey> i like that
08:31 <Vanhayes> #help wikipedia
08:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: (wikipedia <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google site:http://en.wikipedia.org/ $*".
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> a fair amount of new players come in with a friend :)
08:31 <spidey> er
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably a minority of them...
08:31 <spidey> ok
08:31 <spidey> i'll set it to 2
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> wow, my laptop is already on package 52, and my server is still stuck on qt4
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't seriously think my laptop would finish first, but it's about halfway through
08:33 <spidey> O_o
08:34 <Lizz> if u have bot trouble spider.. set it to 1 person
08:34 <Lizz> 99% of ppl on mbc that have same IP are 1 player and a bot
08:35 * Lucifer_arma notes that mbc attracts smegheads like flies to a pile of ...
08:35 <Lizz> shit?
08:35 <spidey> LOL
08:35 <Lizz> every server has its good and bad points.. just as ppl do..
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's the aborted metaphor. Makes more sense when I say it, I guess. It's basically "I'm not really trying to offend..."
08:36 <Lizz> heh
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08:36 <Lizz> u wont offend me luci.. i make allowances for u :P lol
08:36 <spidey> lucifer
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08:36 <spidey> BUG_TRANSPARENCY 0 << setting that to 1 could it help the mbc wall bugs?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of smegheads, WHAT SPIDEY!?!?!?
08:37 <spidey> :/
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
08:37 <Lizz> plus mbc dosent have many idiots anymore.. most of them have gone to the fort servers lmao
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, too true
08:37 <spidey> so true :/
08:37 <Lizz> ;-)
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> a little trivia you guys might be interested in
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> first time I saw doublegrinding:
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> it was Yaza, on Team Breakfast in Hell, I was the center, he and mom were on my sides
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> true, psyko/zop came up with it independently of yaza, but the move was used waaaay before those guys even played
08:38 <Lizz> lol i have no doubt
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> mom might remember it, we really kicked ass for awhile there because of our speed. Grinding center is an old tactic even in deathmatch play
08:39 <spidey> mom's away pwning my server O_o
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> he still calling himself 7?
08:40 <spidey> yea
08:40 * Lucifer_arma needs to pick a new name now
08:40 * spidey does to
08:40 <Lizz> new ppl will always come up with ideas they think are their own.. but as necessity is the mother of all invention.. chances are the "older" ppl have already crossed that bridge
08:40 <spidey> i think BlAzE got leaked
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted someone to figure me out when they said "What makes you a humanitarian?" and I said "Well, what's a vegetarian?"
08:40 <spidey> :(
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> no such luck
08:40 <spidey> lol
08:40 <spidey> er
08:41 <spidey> how do i disabled the instant win?
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated ?
08:41 <spidey> hahah
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know, ingame help is really nice
08:41 <Vanhayes> best way to come up with a temporary name is #shuffle
08:41 * spidey isn't ingame
08:41 <spidey> xD
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> type part of what you want to see in the console and read all the helpful text it gives you
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #shuffle
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
08:41 <spidey> winzone
08:41 <spidey> [0] Command WINZONE unknown.
08:41 <spidey> :/
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, good. thought I might have missed one
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> try win_zone
08:42 <Vanhayes> shuffle is a utilitie matbe
08:42 <spidey> ah
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #help shuffle
08:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
08:42 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
08:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: y h s a V e a n
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I want nemo's random name generator thing
08:42 <spidey> mm
08:43 <spidey> i don't see how
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> of course, then I'll forget what name I'm using at any point in time
08:44 <spidey> zone
08:44 <spidey> er
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:44 * Lucifer_arma points to the other window
08:44 <spidey> [0] WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH
08:44 <spidey> i could raise that to a really high number
08:45 <spidey> WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME
08:45 <spidey> actually that one
08:50 <spidey> weird
08:50 <spidey> my ingame clock is off a hour
08:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning
08:51 <spidey> but my clock is right
08:51 <spidey> :/
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08:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
08:53 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
08:53 <spidey> what's the 2.5 rule?
08:53 <spidey> wall shrink or something
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> something about your locale is fucked up
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> like maybe you set the wrong timezone and then corrected it by hand in your clock applet
08:55 <spidey> locale?
08:55 <spidey> no
08:55 <spidey> i set it to chicago
08:55 <spidey> central time
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> are you in central time?
08:55 <spidey> yes
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, isn't there something odd about chicago?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> try changing it to CST6CDT
08:56 <spidey> i can't
08:56 <spidey> only shows country/state
08:57 <spidey> chicago is the only one in central on here
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> according to some website I just looked at, you should be fine
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> you using kde?
08:57 <spidey> yea
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> right-click the clock and chose "show local"
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> timezone->show local timezone
08:58 <spidey> it's a hour off
08:58 <spidey> daylight savings time
08:58 <spidey> er
08:58 <spidey> just a hour off
08:58 <spidey> lol
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> 1:59 right?
08:59 <spidey> it says 2:59
08:59 <spidey> it's 1:59
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> right click the clock and go to adjust date and time :)
08:59 <spidey> lol
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09:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5638 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTimer.cpp: Of course, this setting doesn't have to be network aware.
09:05 <spidey> gay
09:05 <spidey> i can division in my head
09:05 <spidey> but i can't multiply
09:05 <spidey> well i can
09:05 <spidey> just not in my head
09:05 <spidey> can do*
09:11 <[NP]Tangent> spidey * 2 = 2gay
09:11 <[NP]Tangent> :P
09:11 <spidey> :/
09:11 <spidey> kcacls result fir :/ = Error
09:11 <spidey> kcalcs*
09:12 <spidey> for*
09:12 <spidey> gaaaaaaaaaah
09:13 <spidey> ohhh
09:13 <[NP]Tangent> spidey = error
09:13 <spidey> this will be a math test i WON'T have to write the formulas on my hand
09:14 <spidey> xD
09:14 * spidey slaps [NP]Tangent
09:14 <[NP]Tangent> :(
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09:14 * [NP]Tangent tells his mommy
09:14 * spidey tells his mommy too
09:14 <spidey> Lizz, [NP]Tangent is abusing me!
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> I was just helping him with his math homework!
09:15 <spidey> lies,all lies
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> sshh
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> I'm compiling LMMS with VST support
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> AND IT HAD BETTER WORK
09:15 <spidey> it won't
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> or I'm not going to be able to use my sytrus sounds any more :(
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> pah
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> what do you know
09:16 <[NP]Tangent> you're spidey
09:16 <spidey> O_o
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09:16 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
09:16 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a thick gob of common-kissing toenails.
09:16 * spidey cries
09:16 <spidey> just for that
09:17 <spidey> i take voodoo doll,and take a pin with "compiling LMMS with VST support won't work" and sticks it
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09:17 <[NP]Tangent> nice going
09:18 <[NP]Tangent> you killed Tard
09:18 <spidey> lol
09:18 <spidey> must have been the wrong doll
09:18 <spidey> :/
09:18 <[NP]Tangent> HOW COULD YOU KILL TARD?
09:20 <spidey> simple
09:20 <spidey> watch
09:20 <spidey> spidey i take voodoo doll,and take a pin with "compiling LMMS with VST support won't work" and sticks it
09:20 <spidey> * SuPeRTaRD-bbl has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> maybe
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> I might need to compile this damned SDK
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> >:(
09:22 <spidey> pwned
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09:23 <spidey> omg
09:23 <spidey> http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2006/07/10/Silent_ContexYZ_by_MisterKholl/12.html
09:23 <spidey> i want
09:23 <spidey> i want i want i want
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
09:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, (1 more message)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> fuck
09:25 <spidey> ?
09:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: looks nice
09:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #barf
09:25 <armabot> /me throws up all over
09:26 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you have to kill supy before editing anything
09:26 <spidey> or it overwrights when it shuts down
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> or I could make sure when my server reboots it reboots to the gentoo partition instead of the mandrake one
09:27 <spidey> lol
09:28 <Vanhayes_> #insight
09:28 -!- armabot [n=supybot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
09:28 <Vanhayes_> ....
09:28 <spidey> (02:24:28) john____________________________: Hi center.cen, STEALTHBOMBER V.3 OWNS YOU!! >:)>:)>:)>:)>:)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:28 <spidey> wtf
09:28 <spidey> stupid ass yahoo people
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09:29 <Vanhayes_> #night
09:29 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes_!
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09:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
09:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> now I'll go see if x started
09:36 <Lizz> g2g.. nite guys.. take care :)
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09:42 <[NP]Tangent> #insight
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wtf
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09:43 <[NP]Tangent> hm
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> where is my "ch" alias gone?
09:43 <[NP]Tangent> someone needs to fix that
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:43 <[NP]Tangent> it kills the bot
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09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> >:(
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up the aliases, and I'm not happy about it
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #print +
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo +
09:50 <armabot> +
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch 'echo + '
09:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias list
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #list alias
09:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why doesn't it work?
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09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :(
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo +
09:55 <armabot> +
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insight
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The broad diminishment of the ozone layer will enslave the entrenchment of our human psyche.
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man audacious
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
10:02 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
10:03 <spidey> no
10:03 <wrtlprnft> 06:00 <Lucifer_arma> nag wrtlprnft about it when you see him next :)
10:03 <wrtlprnft> yes i did
10:03 <anjori> you probably missed the biggest thing thats ever happened in this channel
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> HAH SPIDEY
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> MY VST WORKS
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> :P
10:03 <spidey> :<
10:04 <mkzelda> How about an alias that produces "svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad armagetronad"
10:04 <wrtlprnft> omit the final "armagetronad"
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10:05 <wrtlprnft> it's optional, and if you omit it you can name the dir something else
10:05 * anjori can't decide if he wants to bother with ITW
10:05 <mkzelda> right
10:05 <mkzelda> put <dirname>
10:05 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is itw
10:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: itw: nothing appropriate
10:06 <mkzelda> but i always have to do some googling to find the path
10:06 <anjori> you signed up for it, and you dont know? :P
10:06 <mkzelda> and it'd be nice to have an alias here
10:06 <anjori> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
10:06 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: uh, i never type the whole thing
10:06 <wrtlprnft> just say ^Rarmagetromad/a
10:07 <wrtlprnft> *armagetronad
10:07 <wrtlprnft> or any path of the command you can remember
10:07 <mkzelda> tron world cup
10:07 <mkzelda> itwc
10:07 <mkzelda> IVTC
10:07 <wrtlprnft> assuming your history is big enough
10:07 <mkzelda> nah, im installing on machines that are fresh
10:07 <mkzelda> no history
10:08 <wrtlprnft> copy over your history
10:08 <wrtlprnft> share your history over NFS!
10:08 <mkzelda> whats the point of that
10:08 <mkzelda> i might as well google it
10:08 <mkzelda> it was a simple request for a bot alias :/
10:08 <mkzelda> that was the whole idea
10:09 <wrtlprnft> then make one
10:09 <mkzelda> a legitimate reason for an alias, one that'd save me some time at least
10:09 <mkzelda> bot doesnt listen to me
10:09 <wrtlprnft> really?
10:09 <wrtlprnft> it ignores you?
10:09 <spidey> maybe it doesn't like zelda?
10:09 <mkzelda> yea, i havent tried it in a while
10:09 <mkzelda> tho
10:09 <mkzelda> maybe it doesnt now
10:09 <mkzelda> #help
10:09 <armabot> mkzelda: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
10:09 <mkzelda> hrm
10:09 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
10:09 <mkzelda> #help alias
10:09 <armabot> mkzelda: Error: There is no command "alias".
10:10 <wrtlprnft> #alias add aliasname echo whateveryouhave to say
10:10 * spidey goes to look for kde themes
10:10 <mkzelda> what would u remember svn? svnco?
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo +
10:10 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:10 <armabot> +
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
10:11 <spidey> lucifer's gonna be mad :p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN
10:11 <mkzelda> #alias add svn svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:11 <armabot> mkzelda: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <mkzelda> yea i know that url
10:11 <wrtlprnft> make that a bookmark or something?
10:11 <wrtlprnft> won't work
10:11 <spidey> #svn
10:11 <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:11 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn svn co
10:11 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:11 <[NP]Tangent> #s
10:11 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rump-fed bucket of rude-snouted balls.
10:11 <mkzelda> what are the limitations
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are going to clean up after yourselves, right?
10:12 <spidey> heh
10:12 <mkzelda> i was trying to add a useful one
10:12 <[NP]Tangent> dunno how
10:12 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:12 <wrtlprnft> #svn
10:12 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:12 <[NP]Tangent> I was trying to replace the one that was there a couple weeks ago
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up quite a few aliases that were obviously failed attempts that whoever created didn't bother to remove
10:12 * wrtlprnft is just correcting mkzelda's alais now
10:12 <mkzelda> ty
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #svn
10:13 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:13 <spidey> #list alias
10:13 <armabot> spidey: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, s, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #help mfaq
10:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (mfaq <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo set CYCLE_DELAY above 0 to avoid bikes jumping to the wrong side of trails when doubling back on trails".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #help s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "insult spidey".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #remove s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:14 <spidey> pwned
10:14 <wrtlprnft> #insult spidey
10:14 <mkzelda> on lagfarm sumo i had some interesting lag
10:14 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a tottering ass-full of despicable pods.
10:14 <mkzelda> was going like 3x speed
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with add s
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: "add s"
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with "add s"
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:14:34] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: "add s"
10:14 <mkzelda> others saw it as me jumping across the grid but i saw it as driving 3 times the usual speed
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> jerk
10:14 <spidey> lol
10:14 <mkzelda> it lasted a whole round one time
10:14 <wrtlprnft> haha
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with "alias add s"
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:13:22] <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:14 <spidey> #last --from [NP]Tangent --with add s
10:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> pwnt
10:15 <spidey> #last --from [NP]Tangent --with "add s"
10:15 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
10:15 <spidey> #last --from "[NP]Tangent" --with "add s"
10:15 <armabot> spidey: [03:11:45] <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:15 <spidey> :p
10:15 <mkzelda> ty, thats good help :)
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> #help ignore
10:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> #help admin ignore
10:15 <wrtlprnft> #ignore
10:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "admin ignore".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #help owner ignore
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "owner ignore".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #owner help ignore
10:16 <spidey> lol
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #list owner
10:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> did I just make it ignore me?
10:16 <wrtlprnft> no
10:16 <spidey> lmao
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list owner
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list channel
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #list user
10:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #channel ignore add
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:17 <wrtlprnft> admin :D
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I don't recognize you.
10:17 <spidey> lol
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma
10:17 <wrtlprnft> what a traitor of bot
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #channel ignore add
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (channel ignore add [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<expires>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will set a persistent ignore on <hostmask> or the hostmask currently associated with <nick>. <expires> is an optional argument specifying when (in "seconds from now") the ignore will expire; if it isn't given, the ignore will never automatically expire. <channel> is only (1 more message)
10:17 <wrtlprnft> not channel!
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> why not channel?
10:18 <wrtlprnft> channel is a totally useless plugin if the bot isn't an operator
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, right
10:18 <wrtlprnft> you need admin
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add
10:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (admin ignore add <hostmask|nick> [<expires>]) -- Ignores <hostmask> or, if a nick is given, ignores whatever hostmask that nick is currently using. <expires> is a "seconds from now" value that determines when the ignore will expire; if, for instance, you wish for the ignore to expire in an hour, you could give an <expires> of 3600. If no <expires> is given, the ignore will never (1 more message)
10:18 <wrtlprnft> #more Lucifer_arma
10:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: automatically expire.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore list
10:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> gah
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*60*60
10:19 <armabot> 24 * 60 * 60 = 86,400
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add n=hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'n=hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> is too
10:19 <wrtlprnft> just use [NP]Tangent
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <spidey> lucifer
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add [NP]Tangent 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: '[NP]' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> if a nick is given, ignores whatever hostmask that nick is currently using
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add "[NP]Tangent" 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:19 <spidey> omg
10:19 <spidey> stop
10:19 <spidey> wait
10:20 <spidey> shhh
10:20 <spidey> ok
10:20 <spidey> do this
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I just told him just a few minutes before that not to go and add a bunch of useless aliases
10:20 <wrtlprnft> #help ignoreme
10:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "ignoreme".
10:20 <spidey> #admin ignore add *@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:20 <spidey> there
10:20 <spidey> or
10:20 * wrtlprnft doesn't think [NP]Tangent will try to trick the bot
10:20 <spidey> #admin ignore add *!*@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:21 <spidey> there it is :p
10:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just you, spidey, who doesn't get the message
10:21 <spidey> what?
10:21 <spidey> i don't even make alias's for the thing
10:21 <wrtlprnft> no
10:21 <spidey> WRTLPRNFT
10:21 <wrtlprnft> but you try to get around being ignored
10:21 <spidey> :)
10:21 <spidey> ugh
10:21 <spidey> no i didn't
10:21 <wrtlprnft> I don't think [NP]Tangent will change his username
10:21 <spidey> i really don't care
10:21 <spidey> i only used it for math
10:22 <wrtlprnft> i mean, you TRIED
10:22 <spidey> .......
10:22 <wrtlprnft> and renamed yourself, changed your IP, etc
10:22 <spidey> get ya shit straight
10:22 <spidey> if i wanted to
10:22 <spidey> i could
10:22 <spidey> and no i didn't change my ip just for getting around the bot
10:22 <spidey> tyvm
10:22 <wrtlprnft> the emphasis is on trieD
10:22 <spidey> luci ignore .charter foo
10:22 <wrtlprnft> or around Lucifer_arma's attempt to silence you
10:23 <spidey> even if i changed my ip
10:23 <spidey> it doesn't count
10:23 <mkzelda> lol, why dont u 2 get married
10:23 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #whoisshe wrtlprnft
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> not as in "tried and failed", as in "persisted"
10:23 <wrtlprnft> whoisshe was fun :S
10:23 <[NP]Tangent> you didn't say anything about useless aliases before I did it
10:24 <mkzelda> <Lucifer_arma> look, no more of these useless aliases, ok?
10:24 <mkzelda> <Lucifer_arma> if it gets out of hand again, I'm just going to disable the aliases plugin
10:24 * wrtlprnft feels bad about helping Lucifer_arma with the silence command :s
10:24 * wrtlprnft hides from [NP]Tangent
10:24 * wrtlprnft hides behind spidey
10:24 * spidey grabs wrtlprnft and holds him infront of [NP]Tangent
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [03:11] <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [02:53] <Lucifer_arma> look, no more of these useless aliases, ok?
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [02:54] <Lucifer_arma> if it gets out of hand again, I'm just going to disable the aliases plugin
10:25 <mkzelda> i wish xchat would let you copy timestamps
10:25 <wrtlprnft> timestamps are annoying sometimes
10:25 <mkzelda> yea
10:25 <mkzelda> i could see how it'd be a nice feature
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> timestamps were an important part of those copies :)
10:26 <mkzelda> but most of my copy/pasting is something like this
10:26 <wrtlprnft> especially since they don't say a lot if you don't know the timezone
10:26 <mkzelda> it didnt matter about timezone, only relative
10:26 <mkzelda> it said all it needed to in that scenario
10:27 <mkzelda> oh wrtlprnft the new font puts the menu item descriptions off the edge of the screen
10:27 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer, I didn't see that anywhere
10:27 <[NP]Tangent> so my bad
10:27 <wrtlprnft> you mean those help things?
10:27 <mkzelda> yea
10:27 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: do you have an example one?
10:27 <wrtlprnft> because i think i made them wrap
10:27 <mkzelda> yea the tip for FLUSH
10:28 <wrtlprnft> let me check
10:28 <mkzelda> FINISH actually
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[Xpert]DarkStar> where is my "ch" alias gone?
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[NP]Tangent> someone needs to fix that
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[NP]Tangent> it kills the bot
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:44] <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:44] <[Xpert]DarkStar> >:(
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:48] <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up the aliases, and I'm not happy about it
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> konversation is soooo cool
10:29 <mkzelda> Swap Mode: Finish
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I realize a lot can happen in 5 minutes, but this isn't anything new, sorry
10:29 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: yeah, i see
10:30 <wrtlprnft> but i dunno how to fix it. for example, it doesn't happen with FONT_FILE font.ttf
10:30 <mkzelda> i didnt investigate further to see if other things did it
10:30 <mkzelda> i just happened to notice that
10:30 <mkzelda> and quit looking
10:32 <spidey> mmm
10:32 <wrtlprnft> hard to fix right now, I'd like to let that wait until we have real text boxes
10:33 <wrtlprnft> because any fix right now would mean we'd have to wrap the text twice per frame
10:33 <wrtlprnft> which is expensive with proportional fonts
10:34 <spidey> :(
10:34 <spidey> i wish i was better at adding and multiplying :/
10:44 <mkzelda> sheesh, paypal takes 9% of all tansactions now
10:44 <spidey> O_o
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10:47 <anjori> 9%? wow.
10:49 <mkzelda> yea i remember when it didnt cost at all
10:51 * wrtlprnft remembers when you didn't need a credit card for everything
10:54 * anjori remembers how viable free long distance and free web space was ;)
10:55 <anjori> those were the days
10:55 * mkzelda remembers when atari 2600 was the hotness
10:55 * wrtlprnft has 90GB free webspace
10:56 <mkzelda> o crap its 5am
10:56 <wrtlprnft> eastern time?
10:56 <mkzelda> yea
10:56 <mkzelda> i can get 4 hrs sleep
10:57 <mkzelda> later
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 11AM here
10:57 <wrtlprnft> night
10:57 <anjori> thats what i keep telling myself, too. but i'm skeptical
10:57 <anjori> wrtlprnft: thought youre in canada?
10:57 <wrtlprnft> i was
10:57 <wrtlprnft> for 10 months, but I'm back now
10:57 <wrtlprnft> in germany
10:58 <anjori> ah, okay. cause you put you name up for canada on the tron world cup page, and confused me further
10:58 <wrtlprnft> germany has more than enough players
10:58 <anjori> that's true.
11:01 <anjori> there was this girl over here studying from germany at the place i was volunteering at. and i had to bring up a book i read that took place over there and was translated to english because thats the only way i could relate to anything german, and i'm a huge lame-o :)
11:03 <spidey> haha
11:04 <spidey> is psyko playing in the iwt?
11:04 <spidey> actually what's the url?
11:04 <wrtlprnft> he is i think
11:04 <anjori> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
11:06 <spidey> can i play for canada? ;D
11:06 * spidey won't play on psyko's team if he doens't have to
11:06 <wrtlprnft> ask vanhayes
11:08 <anjori> pfft. isnt the whole point of a world tournament that you play for your country? :P
11:09 <spidey> your? i only live here
11:09 * spidey would rather live somewhere in the north
11:09 <spidey> i love cold weather
11:09 <wrtlprnft> it's blazing hot in winnipeg right now
11:10 <anjori> but you're in germany!
11:10 * anjori used to live in winnipeg
11:10 <wrtlprnft> well, not right now
11:10 <spidey> kcalc answer for "lol" = error
11:10 <wrtlprnft> 17 degrees
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #g lol
11:10 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:11 <spidey> i ment to type lol in here
11:11 <spidey> and i entered it in kcalc
11:11 <spidey> lol
11:11 <anjori> but were you actually laughing out loud?
11:12 <anjori> i have a hard time imagining that people are actually laughing audibly every time someone dies in tron
11:12 <spidey> actually
11:12 <spidey> i do
11:12 <spidey> xD
11:12 <spidey> only when i type lol though
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11:17 * Lucifer_arma remembers enjoying Tron in the theater
11:18 <spidey> i seen that movie
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I usually read lol as "likes orange lollipops"
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
11:19 <anjori> did you saw it, too?
11:19 <anjori> g'night, luci.
11:20 <spidey> sleep's for slackers!
11:21 <anjori> sleep for weaks!
11:23 <wrtlprnft> heh, i like that one
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:24 <wrtlprnft> not to confuse with "sleep for weeks"
11:26 <anjori> grr. if xchat can flash the taskbar entry on a highlighted word, why the hell cant it do it when something is said, period?
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12:34 <cusco> #alias add pt echo _o__
12:34 <armabot> cusco: The operation succeeded.
12:34 <cusco> lol
12:34 <cusco> #pt
12:34 <armabot> _o__
12:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma will be happy
13:00 <cusco> I was reading backwards
13:00 <cusco> and I saw the ch
13:00 <cusco> :P
13:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah, and [NP]Tangent got ignored by armabot for that
13:01 <wrtlprnft> read further
13:01 <cusco> oops
13:01 <wrtlprnft> #alias remove pt
13:01 <wrtlprnft> ;)
13:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:02 <cusco> oki dooki
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13:07 <cusco> madmax|pt: madmax|pt madmax|pt madmax|pt
13:10 <madmax|pt> o_O
13:10 <madmax|pt> hello
13:14 <spidey> o_0
13:20 <spidey> "Thou who hast beenth core dumpth shall be considerth 'pwned'." ---Durka (I just made that up right now)
13:20 <spidey> lol
13:20 * spidey is suprised he didn't write it in color
13:20 <spidey> xD
13:26 <wrtlprnft> ��rain stopped using colors :)
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14:11 <madmax|pt> i particularly find funny those "def down" instants that look more like a party invitation
14:12 <cusco> lol
14:13 <cusco> colours are good to make you notice
14:13 <wrtlprnft> the only thing thats colored for mine is the s
14:14 <cusco> the s?
14:15 <madmax|pt> yes, i use colors in def down too, but not five or six
14:16 <cusco> heheheh
14:16 <cusco> eu so uso uma
14:16 <cusco> :P
14:17 <cusco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5164450.stm
14:17 <cusco> ms shuts down win98
14:24 <wrtlprnft> long time ago they did
14:24 <madmax|pt> From 11 July, Microsoft will no longer help users over the phone with any problems they have with the ageing operating system.
14:24 <madmax|pt> The firm will also stop providing security updates for Windows 98 from the same date.
14:24 <wrtlprnft> or they planned that date
14:25 <wrtlprnft> sorry, the pc of my parents is so lame and openoffice is too resource hungry, as is anything >win98
14:25 <@guru3> YES
14:25 <@guru3> SHEFFIELD WILL TAKE ME ANYWAY
14:25 <@guru3> :D :D :D :D
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv mkzelda cusco GodTodd] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv armabot Lucifer_arma wejp] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv wrtlprnft madmax|pt [Xpert]DarkStar] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv spidey [NP]Tangent SuPeRTaRD] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu_] by guru3
14:26 <@guru3> voices for everyone in celebration :D
14:27 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
14:27 <+wrtlprnft> grats
14:28 <+wrtlprnft> cusco: that article somehow repeats itself
14:29 <+wrtlprnft> cusco: did i tell you already that article repeats itself?
14:29 <+wrtlprnft> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5164450.stm <-- an article that repeats itself
14:30 <@guru3> let's screw with ms
14:30 <@guru3> and all install windows 98
14:30 <+wrtlprnft> no way I'm installing "a more secure operating system such as Windows XP"
14:32 <+wrtlprnft> why does my dad still have to deal with those darn .doc files? Otherwise I'd just put some sort of linux on it
14:32 <@guru3> what i'm considering doing
14:32 <@guru3> is one time when my parents are out
14:32 <@guru3> installing linux
14:32 <@guru3> and pointing vmware at the windows partition
14:32 <@guru3> then running it full screen
14:32 <+cusco> wrtlprnft: no you didn't
14:32 <@guru3> so it still looks like they are running linux >:D
14:33 <+wrtlprnft> uh, that makes no sense, really
14:33 <@guru3> hahaha
14:33 <@guru3> maybe not
14:33 <@guru3> but oh well
14:34 <+wrtlprnft> anyone forcing others to use .doc files should be shot
14:34 <+wrtlprnft> we have .odt
14:36 <+wrtlprnft> the trouble is that my dad still thinks ms-office is "professional" software and anything else must be crap
14:44 <@guru3> well there is that nice adobe authoring plugin for ms office
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15:48 <+wrtlprnft> there are those nice free plugins for ms-office that always display interesting information on how to get penis enlargements, you don't even need to install them yourself
15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know how to get a hp colorlaserjet 1600 working with linux?
15:52 <+wrtlprnft> #google hp colorlaserjet 1600 linux
15:52 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.85 seconds: Printers - ZDNet Reviews: <http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4566-3155_16-0.html>; Printers - CNET Reviews: <http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3155_7-0.html?sa=500428>; Printers - CNET Reviews: <http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3155_7-0.html>; foo2hp: a linux printer driver for ZJS protocol (eg HP Color ...: <http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/>; LinuxPrinting.org HP Color (2 more messages)
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that driver listed there
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is not working for me
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or rather: the printer is not responding and i have no clue why
15:53 <+wrtlprnft> <stupidquestion>Is it plugged in?</stupidquestion>
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /bin/sh: /sbin/lsusb: No such file or directory
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oops
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03f0:3a17 Hewlett-Packard
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no it's not ;)
16:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> any other ideas?
16:00 <+wrtlprnft> uh, no :(
16:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wonderful
16:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't stop cups anymore
16:06 <+wrtlprnft> killall -9 cups
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could stop it the normal way too
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and restart
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and still no work
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16:49 <+luke-jr_> guru3: wtf?
16:50 <+luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: why not flat out tell him he's wrong about Office?
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17:01 <@guru3> luke-jr_: he's not
17:01 <@guru3> it's just the adobe bit
17:01 <@guru3> is kind of useful
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17:27 <+spidey> goddamn
17:27 <+spidey> fucking 45 minutes
17:27 <+spidey> i gotta get up NOW and sit here untill then
17:27 <+spidey> fuckin old people :/
17:31 <+madmax|pt> huh?
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17:49 <+spidey> i was planning to stop smoking today
17:50 <+spidey> but after the way this morning started i threw that out
18:04 <+[NP]Tangent> what happened, spidey?
18:05 <+luke-jr_> ...
18:05 <+[NP]Tangent> oh
18:05 * [NP]Tangent looks up
18:05 <+spidey> turns out
18:05 <+spidey> wasn't 45 minutes
18:05 <+spidey> it's 2 hours early
18:05 <+spidey> just to take a shower
18:05 <+spidey> who takes a 2 hour shower!?!?!?!?!!??!
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18:48 <luke-jr_> if anyone says voip can't do fax
18:48 <luke-jr_> tell em bs
18:48 <luke-jr_> =p
18:49 * luke-jr_ just received 2 pages and sent 4
18:52 <+wrtlprnft> wtf is the point of that?
18:52 <luke-jr_> ?
18:52 <luke-jr_> sending faxes
18:52 <luke-jr_> =p
18:53 <+wrtlprnft> you're digitalizing something just to make it analog again, then you digitalize the voice again, compress it, make it sound again, make it digital and print it
18:55 <luke-jr_> lol
18:55 <luke-jr_> you have a better way to send a fax? =p
18:55 <luke-jr_> for about 1 penny
18:55 <+wrtlprnft> even better if you printed the thing out before
18:56 <luke-jr_> lol
18:56 <+wrtlprnft> and the thing you printed out is a scanned-in picture from an analog camera
18:56 <luke-jr_> does WalMart digitization count?
18:56 <+wrtlprnft> and the photo is of a screen showing another image you got by the same method
18:57 <luke-jr_> =p
18:57 <luke-jr_> anyway, no
18:57 <luke-jr_> just faxing back something they faxed me
18:57 <luke-jr_> filled out
19:00 <+wrtlprnft> what's your phone number? I wanna fax you some black paper
19:01 <luke-jr_> no thx
19:01 <luke-jr_> besides, you have my #
19:01 <luke-jr_> i've posted it here
19:01 <luke-jr_> so it's in your logs
19:01 <+wrtlprnft> or even better, an infinite loop of black paper
19:01 * wrtlprnft won't bother looking since he has no fax
19:01 <luke-jr_> lol
19:02 <luke-jr_> my fax machine isn't connected to the line right now anyhow
19:03 <luke-jr_> I've got a few #s
19:03 <luke-jr_> Kansas City, Omaha, and Atchison,KS
19:03 <luke-jr_> and an 800#, but that's for a client
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20:22 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:22 <+armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
20:50 <+Lucifer_arma> guru3: CONGRATULATIONS!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:56 <+wrtlprnft> gah, z-man didn't merge 0.2.8 yet :S
20:57 <+wrtlprnft> and the new xorg seems to be quite a bit slower than the old one
20:57 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
20:57 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
20:57 * wrtlprnft considers masking >=xorg-7
20:57 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotifier armagetronad echo $message
20:57 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
20:58 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
20:58 <+wrtlprnft> err
20:58 <+wrtlprnft> shouldn't there be more?
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> it's not saving them for some reason
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's supposed to be at least two more
21:00 <+wrtlprnft> is there actually any code that saves them?
21:03 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-9-151.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"]
21:07 <+spidey|away> grrrrrrrr
21:08 <+spidey|away> i have a hatred for people,i swear
21:08 <+wrtlprnft> grrrrrrRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrRrRrRrrrrr
21:08 <+spidey|away> wrtlprnft, included
21:08 -!- spidey|away is now known as spidey
21:09 <+wrtlprnft> a compliment if it comes from you
21:10 * wrtlprnft wonders if McSpiddles is included
21:10 -!- spidey [n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has left #armagetron []
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21:10 <spidey> says so in the host name :>
21:11 <+wrtlprnft> so?
21:11 <spidey> reminds me
21:11 * spidey is getting a vhost O_o
21:11 * wrtlprnft doesn't see a reason to hide his hostname, everyone can find it out using wrtlprnft.ath.cx
21:11 <spidey> so
21:12 <spidey> everyone can find out using spidey.no-ip.org
21:12 <spidey> i don't wanna hide it
21:12 <spidey> consider it advertisment
21:13 <+wrtlprnft> isn't that what quit messages are for?
21:14 <spidey> yea
21:16 * wrtlprnft hates clients that put ads in quit messages
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21:16 <spidey> just edit the .ini
21:16 <spidey> just edit the .ini
21:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 11 secs
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21:16 <spidey> change the quit message to whatever
21:16 <spidey> oh,linux
21:16 <spidey> well....edit the whatever file
21:16 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:16 <spidey> on windows most irc clients have a .ini
21:16 <spidey> you can change settings in it
21:16 <+wrtlprnft> great
21:16 <spidey> not sure about linux
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> irssi has /set
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> and a config file where the stuff is saved
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> who even knows about the quit message his client leaves?
21:17 <spidey> noone
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> it's like having some ad printed on your back that everyone sees but you
21:17 <spidey> unless they use 2 clients
21:17 <spidey> :>
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> that's what i just checked with wrtlprnft_
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> 21:18 quit_message = wussed out and left
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> ah, that's the default for my clien
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> t
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> at least not something like "IRSSI! The great IRC client of the future! Use it! Haha to the noob who didn't change this message"
21:19 <spidey> lol
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> can I send someone an email?
21:23 <spidey> spidey.owns@yahoo.com
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> someone give me an email address they can check
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks, email sent
21:23 <spidey> sec
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> hopefully it won't bounce off a spam filter
21:24 <spidey> nope
21:24 <spidey> come straight in
21:24 <spidey> came*
21:24 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks. :)
21:24 <spidey> wow
21:24 <spidey> i got 31 bulk emails
21:25 <spidey> better than when i did acron job with the wrong directory
21:25 <spidey> fuckin 4k emails
21:25 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
21:25 <spidey> do not have it email you if you do a cron job every 10 minutes
21:26 <spidey> you'll get flooded
21:26 <spidey> lol
21:26 <+Lucifer_arma> no shit. I had one back when I had a 5 minute cronjob that rotated the maps on my server
21:26 <spidey> heh
21:26 <spidey> i forgot what i was doing
21:26 <spidey> ohhhh
21:27 <spidey> a arma server on one of my old host's
21:28 * spidey considers starting a reseller hosting thing
21:30 * Lucifer_arma suggests you all talk to antix before you go rent a dedicated server and try to sell hosting on it
21:30 <spidey> ?
21:30 <spidey> i know where i can get one for $40 a month
21:30 <spidey> plus someone who would go in half
21:31 <spidey> he used to sell hosting
21:31 <spidey> so between us 2 it'd be pretty much covered O_o
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> if there wasn't all that legal crap i would go and rent arma servers
21:32 <spidey> mmm?
21:32 <+wrtlprnft> err, not rent
21:32 <+wrtlprnft> other way
21:33 <spidey> we bought groceries today,so i'ma make a pizza
21:33 <spidey> brb
21:33 <+wrtlprnft> "make a pizza" = throw one in the oven/microwave?
21:37 <spidey> oven
21:37 <+wrtlprnft> ...
21:38 <+Lucifer_arma> man, make a pizza around here starts with "do we have any whole wheat flour?"
21:38 <+Lucifer_arma> (which we do :) )
21:38 <spidey> hahah
21:39 <+wrtlprnft> same
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> though we don't usually use whole wheat flour, only if someone screwed up and the normal one is missing
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> *empty
21:40 * Lucifer_arma makes somewhere around 90% of his food from scratch
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> ie you go out and grow the wheat?
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we don't actually use whole wheat flour most of the time, but I like it that way
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> no, we use flour and dried noodles and stuff
21:40 <+cusco> I don't cook much
21:40 <+cusco> but my mother does microbiotics
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> i.e. we don't eat packaged food much
21:40 <+cusco> macrobiotics
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> no packaged dry noodles?
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> quit nitpicking
21:41 <+wrtlprnft> but i love nitpicking ;)
21:41 <spidey> haha
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I wonder how my breakfast burritos would taste if I used my brother's flour tortilla recipe on them
21:42 <spidey> good
21:42 <spidey> this will be perfect
21:42 <spidey> i can call my isp and complain WHILE my connection sucks due to rain
21:42 <spidey> and bitch with proof
21:43 <spidey> but i bet money they try to say it's because i'm using linux
21:43 <spidey> bah
21:43 <spidey> last time they tried to say it was the router
21:43 <spidey> i unplugged it...it still sucked
21:43 <+Lucifer_arma> sometimes I wish I could be 16 again, but spidey makes me think twice of that idea
21:43 <+wrtlprnft> why don't you call whoever is responsible for the rain?
21:43 <spidey> :/
21:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft, got natures number?
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> eliminate the cause, not the symptoms
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: yes, it is engraved
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> err, sec
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> and the wontons we've been eating are made mostly from scratch. I didn't grow the pig or the spinach, or the soy beans, or make the skins.
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> but I have a recipe for the skins
21:45 <spidey> wontons?
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> yes, wontons
21:45 <Vanhayes> #dict wonton
21:45 <+armabot> Vanhayes: wn: wonton n 1: a Chinese dumpling filled with spiced minced pork; usually served in soup [syn: {won ton}] 2: a soup with won ton dumplings [syn: {won ton}, {wonton soup}]
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> chinese pastry
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> there you go, that's a wonton :)
21:46 <+Lucifer_arma> only I've been deep-frying mine
21:47 <spidey> heh
21:47 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: It is written in 10-metre high letters of fire on top of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains in the land of Sevorbeupstry on the planet Preliumtarn, third out from the sun Zarss in Galactic Sector QQ7 ActiveJ Gamma. It is guarded by the Lajestic Vantrashell of Lob.
21:47 <spidey> will you go get it for me?
21:47 <+wrtlprnft> sorry, haven't been there yet
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> if someone tells me what i canged from the original quote they'll get a coocie
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> *cookie
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> *changed
21:48 <spidey> metre
21:48 <+Lucifer_arma> you misspelled meter?
21:48 <spidey> of course
21:48 <spidey> LOL
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> the original says 30 feet
21:48 <Vanhayes> #dict metre
21:48 <+armabot> Vanhayes: wn, bouvier, gcide, and foldoc responded: gcide: Metre \Me"tre\ (m[=e]"t[~e]r), n. See {Meter}. [1913 Webster]; wn: metre n 1: the basic unit of length adopted under the Systeme International d'Unites (approximately 1.094 yards) [syn: {meter}, {m}] 2: (prosody) the accent in a metrical foot of verse [syn: {meter}, {measure}, {beat}, {cadence}] 3: rhythm as given by division (8 more messages)
21:49 <Vanhayes> heh
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> but since feet suck...
21:49 <spidey> i would say something
21:49 <spidey> but i won't
21:49 <+Lucifer_arma> I think wrtlprnft walks on meters, he puts his socks and shoes on his meters
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: never sucked your feet
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> the advantage to using feet is that most adult males can measure distances quite easily
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> most adult females can, too
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> i won
21:50 <spidey> not really
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> count the footsteps between two points
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> 't use my feet for measuring distances
21:50 <spidey> you don't use your feet
21:50 <spidey> der
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> that's easier to eyeball
21:51 <spidey> 1ft = 12 inches
21:51 <spidey> i doubt everyone has a 12 inch foot
21:51 <spidey> :p
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> what are you going to do when you have to measure a long fence or something and you have nothing to measure with?
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> spidey: no, but I have a 12 inch dick
21:51 <spidey> with 4 heads right?
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i walk and count steps
21:51 <spidey> that's feet
21:51 <spidey> duh
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> one step happens to be pretty exactly a meter
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> *metre
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, when I was working at jiffy lube, one of the guys from the other store called and said "Do you have any 27 inch wiper blades?"
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> to which I responded "No, but I have a 27 inch dick!"
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> or do you walk in 30 cm long steps?
21:52 <spidey> LOL
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> steps vary in size
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> so do feet
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> but you can adjust your steps
21:52 <spidey> ..
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> you can't adjust the length of your feet
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> then your steps are always changing, my feet haven't changed length in years
21:53 <spidey> who's gonna adjust part of there life style just so you can mesure?
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> but your feet != and imperial foot
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> no, but it's easy to get the most consistent results using my feet
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> and it depends on what kind of shose you wear at the moment, right?
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> there != their
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> *shoes
21:54 * spidey can messure feet easy
21:54 <spidey> all i do is put wrtlprnft end to end
21:54 <spidey> that's a foot per-end
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> no, but i once walked along a metre stick a while ago and know about how big my steps need to be
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> I've also used cubits to measure rope and chain
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> it's a tiny bit more than the steps i would usually do
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> on even ground
21:55 <+Lucifer_arma> what was most entertaining is when I went into the hardware store and asked the guy for 8 cubits of chain, and he actually measured it with his forearm :)
21:55 <+wrtlprnft> and anyways
21:55 <+wrtlprnft> if i was to measure a fence i would measure the distance between two poles and then count the number of poles
21:55 <+Lucifer_arma> #g cubit in feet
21:55 <+armabot> 1 cubit = 1.5 feet
21:56 <+Lucifer_arma> that only works when the distances between the poles is the same. On many fences, due to terrain, the distances actually vary somewhat
21:56 <+wrtlprnft> ever tried putting 3 of your feet on 2 of your forearms to see if that's right for you?
21:56 <+wrtlprnft> well
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> I also have a tendency to measure in 6 foot increments by spread out my arms
21:57 <+wrtlprnft> if there's varying terrain your feet are unlikely to produce a good result anyways
21:57 <+wrtlprnft> if the fence goes through a swamp you'll have trouble
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> well, if the fence goes through a swamp you probably shouldn't use your feet to measure it
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> that's independent of whatever units you use
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> I admit, I'd like it better if a foot was 10 inches instead of 12
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> #g 25.5 cm in feet
21:59 <+armabot> 25.5 centimeters = 0.836614173 feet
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> so my foot is 0.84 feet long
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> great
21:59 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 0.84 feet in inches
21:59 <+armabot> 0.84 feet = 10.08 inches
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> #g 67cm in cubits
22:00 <+armabot> 67 centimeters = 1.46544182 cubits
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> you know, the only problem I've ever heard with imperial units was that conversions suck. 5280 feet/mile, for example.
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> well, that's exactly why i think they suck
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> but you don't mind pi/180 ?
22:01 <spidey> lol
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> i don't exactly like the 360 degree thing
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> but in that case it's handy
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> whether you like the conversions or not, it just so happens that 12 inches is an awfully convenient interval to work with
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> since 60 degrees is something you rarely get
22:01 <spidey> .....
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> I happen to agree, it'd be nice if we could have something easier to convert, but I'm not scared of fractions
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> if you had a system where one revolution is 100 degrees you'd get some crazy number
22:02 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:02 <spidey> me either
22:02 <+wrtlprnft> not rarely, commonly i meant
22:02 <spidey> i made 96 on my fractions test today
22:02 <spidey> :D
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> but man, how tall am I in SI units?
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 6 feet in meters
22:02 <+armabot> 6 feet = 1.8288 meters
22:02 <spidey> short ass
22:02 <spidey> lol
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 8 inches in feet
22:02 <+armabot> 8 inches = 0.666666667 feet
22:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 5.666666666667 feet in meters
22:03 <+armabot> 5.666666666667 feet = 1.7272 meters
22:03 <+Lucifer_arma> so I'm 1.83 meters tall and my wife is 1.73 meters tall
22:03 <+cusco> the imperial system is going down down down down
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> #g 186 cm in feet
22:03 <+armabot> 186 centimeters = 6.1023622 feet
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> so I'
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> #g .1023622 feet in inches
22:03 <spidey> you're 6 foot 1
22:03 <+armabot> .1023622 feet = 1.2283464 inches
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> so I'm 6 foot one inch tall
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> great
22:04 <spidey> lol
22:04 <spidey> actually
22:04 <spidey> that's pretty tall
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> i know
22:04 <spidey> i'm only 5 foot 11
22:04 <spidey> but i'm still growing
22:04 <spidey> :p
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> #g 6 feet + 11 inches in cm
22:04 <+armabot> (6 feet) + (11 inches) = 210.82 centimeters
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:04 <spidey> haha
22:05 <spidey> no
22:05 <spidey> 5ft
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> #g 5 feet + 11 inches in cm
22:05 <+armabot> (5 feet) + (11 inches) = 180.34 centimeters
22:05 <spidey> ?
22:05 <spidey> oh
22:05 <Vanhayes> #g 190cm in feet
22:05 <+armabot> 190 centimeters = 6.2335958 feet
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> that tall?
22:05 <spidey> huh?
22:05 <spidey> me or van?
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> van
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> 190 is bigger than me
22:06 <Vanhayes> 190 -192
22:06 <Vanhayes> always in between there
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> so your size fluctuates?
22:06 <spidey> LOL
22:07 <+wrtlprnft> or does that depend on hats/shoes/hair?
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22:07 <+wrtlprnft> hi z-man
22:07 <Vanhayes> depends on hats shoes ahir and who measures me
22:07 <z-man> hi
22:07 <Vanhayes> hair*
22:07 <+wrtlprnft> could you merge 0.2.8 please?
22:07 <Vanhayes> hello
22:08 <+wrtlprnft> i'd like to see if the threading brings any improvements for me
22:08 <z-man> It probably won't
22:08 <z-man> the difference is mostly the numeric ping
22:08 <+wrtlprnft> :(
22:09 <z-man> the results of the messages are only visible on the next refresh anyway
22:09 <z-man> it's basically to make the ping more stable, if it was close to a multiple of the average frame time, it fluctuated
22:09 <+wrtlprnft> true
22:10 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-9-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> somehow arma got unbearably slow with xorg 7
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> 16fps framerate
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> 24 or so is usual for me
22:11 <z-man> Starting the merge anyway, will take a while to complete.
22:11 <+wrtlprnft> i have time :)
22:14 <+Lucifer_arma> threading?
22:14 * madmax|pt x
22:15 * Lucifer_arma *
22:15 <+cusco> cd p
22:15 <+Lucifer_arma> del *.*
22:15 <+wrtlprnft> rm -rf /
22:16 <+Lucifer_arma> del c:\\*.*
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> huh?
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> deltree c:\*.*
22:16 <+Lucifer_arma> doesn't c:\ only get the current directory for that drive?
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> nah
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> if you say c: as a command you'll get to the current dir
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> afair
22:17 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm
22:17 * Lucifer_arma never really used dos
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> del c:\*.* won't do any real damage
22:18 <+wrtlprnft> windows/dos won't boot anymore, but you won't lose any unrecocverable data
22:18 <+wrtlprnft> unless you put your stuff in the drive's root
22:18 <+Lucifer_arma> I think the most dos I've ever used was in an emulator on my amiga
22:19 <luke-jr_> deltree C:\
22:19 <luke-jr_> Amiga was a decent OS
22:23 <+wrtlprnft> woo i just reached 60000 emails
22:23 <luke-jr_> ...
22:23 <+wrtlprnft> well, e-mails + RSS items
22:24 * luke-jr_ stabs RSS
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> ~2600 are RSS
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> rss rocks, even if luke-jr_ doesn't like it, or actually, this might as well be the reason
22:24 <luke-jr_> poor english
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> so?
22:25 <luke-jr_> and RSS sucks for the simple reason of it being pull instead of push
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> that's why it rocks
22:25 <luke-jr_> ...
22:25 <+Lucifer_arma> my wife pulls, and she rules
22:25 <+Lucifer_arma> I have to do all the pushing
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> if i don't want the feed anymore i stop pulling
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> other then newsletters
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> http sucks for the simple reason of it being pull instead of push
22:26 <luke-jr_> I'd rather use XMPP pubsub
22:26 <luke-jr_> indeed, HTTP sucks for publishing
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> you'd use xmpp to wash your car, wouldn't you?
22:26 <+wrtlprnft> i have to give them information on how to push (mail adress), and if i want them to stop pushing, all i can technically do is kindly ask them
22:26 <luke-jr_> no, I'd use XMPP to signal a robot to wash my car
22:26 <+wrtlprnft> but if they want to keep sending me spam i can't prevent them once they have the address
22:27 <luke-jr_> spam isn't a problem with XMPP :)
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> well, luke-jr_'s not known for empowering users
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> well
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> name a site that has an XMPP feed
22:27 <luke-jr_> dunno any
22:27 <luke-jr_> :(
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> there ya go
22:27 <luke-jr_> nor any clients for it
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> so i use RSS
22:27 <+mkzelda> does xmpp have a site?
22:27 <luke-jr_> me too
22:27 <luke-jr_> but RSS sucks :(
22:27 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: it has RFCs
22:28 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: and plenty of people have sites about it
22:28 <luke-jr_> like http://jabber.org
22:28 <+mkzelda> reinventing the wheel is fun
22:28 <luke-jr_> but most of them are about its IM capabilities
22:28 <+Lucifer_arma> but if you started linking them here, luke-jr_ would pull their site about. Er, push their site apart.
22:28 <+wrtlprnft> as long as it is not in common useage it's worthless to me
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nothing will be common usage with that attitude
22:29 <luke-jr_> chicken & egg
22:29 <+wrtlprnft> you're talking to a user in that case
22:29 <luke-jr_> ok, that makes a difference =p
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22:29 <+Lucifer_arma> there's a fine line between being an early adopter and a big nuisance
22:29 <luke-jr_> seriously, tho, using XMPP pubsub over RSS could save tons of bandwidth...
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> if i MAKE something, like a web page, i will consider using rare good things over common bad things
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> or, actually, by now, i will always write valid XHTML
22:30 <luke-jr_> I always write almost-valid XHTML
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> worthless
22:30 <luke-jr_> I just leave off the doctype cuz i can't remember it
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> no point in that
22:31 <luke-jr_> =p
22:31 <+Lucifer_arma> then it's completely invalid generic html
22:31 <luke-jr_> eventually, the doctype gets into stuff that's important
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> spidey also uses almost valid resources
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> he just leaves off the path since he can't remember it
22:31 <luke-jr_> heh, almost valid resources won't work ;p
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22:31 <+wrtlprnft> oh, they do
22:36 <+Lucifer_arma> the most important thing about the resource system right now is that the retrieval needs to be made non-blocking
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm tired of staring at a full screen that shows me an obviously bad path, watching my client cycle through the list of download locations knowing it won't find it,
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> and unable to do jack shit about it until it's done
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> same with a connecting to a server
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> indeed, I'd like that to be nonblocking too. :)
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> receiving and processing user input should never have to wait for the program to do something, imo
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> of course, the amount of user input that can be processed usefully will drop when the program is doing something
22:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft spidey also uses almost valid resources
22:40 <spidey> i remember the path
22:40 <spidey> i'm just to lazy to type it
22:40 <spidey> test4.xml is much easier to type than test4-0.0.1-aacockpit.xml
22:40 <+wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
22:41 <spidey> lazy and not knowing are 2 different things :)
22:41 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: why do we actually need the thread thing for the ping?
22:41 <+wrtlprnft> it could just measure the time between the point the ping got in and the point where the reply got sent out and subtract it from the result it gets
22:42 <+wrtlprnft> or include it in the ping message
22:42 <z-man> If it could measure the time of the incoming message, yes.
22:42 <+wrtlprnft> it can't?
22:42 <z-man> Unfortunately, you have to be there and get the message to time it.
22:43 <+wrtlprnft> ah, i assumed udp messages were timestamped
22:43 <z-man> I haven't seen an API for the sockets that returns the true incoming time
22:43 <z-man> It would be cool, that's right.
22:43 <+wrtlprnft> nvm then
22:43 <+mkzelda> haha i thought i had that nasty effect you get when you have your vid card set to 16 bit and images that use more
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> ?
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> well, see, you can't put your own timestamp in there because you're dependent on the other person's clock being right
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> no
22:44 <+mkzelda> but it turned out that the default kde background has earth subtly in it
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> i meant the incoming timestamp
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> and then depending on how much you trust the timestamps you open yourself up to trouble
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> you mean when the os got it?
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok. nvm. :)
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> sdl imput is, right?
22:45 <+wrtlprnft> *input
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> could be, but it's likely that sdl puts its own timestamp on there
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> we could time when we receive it and when we respond to it, the way I understand (and I could be wrong), that information would be meaningless right now
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5648 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (25 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5611 to 5647:
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5647 | z-man | 2006-07-11 17:47:26 +0200 (Tue, 11 Jul 2006) | 1 line
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: Updated to code changes.
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5646 | z-man | 2006-07-11 17:09:10 +0200 (Tue, 11 Jul 2006) | 1 line
22:46 <+wrtlprnft> big merge :)
22:46 * wrtlprnft updates and recompiles
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> but if we grabbed the incoming messages in a separate thread/process and then stuck them in a queue, it would be meaningful to know how long they spent in that queue
22:46 <z-man> I don't think SDL input is timestamped :( We had an input thread adding timestamps quite a while back.
22:47 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: that's what it did :) I think nothing meaningful was done to the timestamps then, so I disabled the thread.
22:48 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: NEWS:131(trunk):>>>>>>> .merge-right.r4902
22:48 <+wrtlprnft> i assume that shouldn't be there
22:48 <z-man> right
22:49 <z-man> strange, no conflict was indicated
22:49 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5649 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Following client commands while rubber is used enhanced. The involuntary death probability should be lower now.
22:49 <+wrtlprnft> is there a voluntary death probability too?
22:49 <z-man> Yes :)
22:49 <+wrtlprnft> or a voluntary death doesn't happen probability?
22:50 <z-man> Well, you may fail to suicide properly.
22:50 <+wrtlprnft> like, miss the rim wall?
22:50 <z-man> Don't laught, that happened :)
22:50 <z-man> the AIs had this special talent.
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> or suddenly your keyboard stops working just as you wanted to start a spiral of death
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> that happens too
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> people get IMed ingame all the time
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> pff
22:51 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5650 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/NEWS: removed old conflict marker
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> t
22:52 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, i won't SVN update for that one ;)
22:52 <+Lucifer_arma> seems like certain conflicts could be resolved using input timestamps
22:52 <+Lucifer_arma> like two cycles turn toward each other, which one's on the outside and which on the inside? If the turns happen in the same timestep, that is
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> you could compute where the turn takes place from the timestamps instead to resolve the conflict
22:53 <+wrtlprnft> that might explain why I it's so hard to hit a tunnel or hole for me
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> i always assumed arma was doing that since it's doing all kinds of other magic
22:54 <z-man> Sorry, don't know what you're talking about
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> I think the game's gotten more sensitive, I miss most of the holes I used to hit now
22:54 <z-man> Lag slides?
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that might be you getting old
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> like there are two walls that are slightly misaligned, and you generally want to hit the corner of one and grind that down the tunnel
22:54 <z-man> You know I'm looking for lag slide clientside recordings on Bugfarm?
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> but my turn to turn towards the corner is happening too early
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> but with recordings the game runs even slower :S
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> z-man: no, not talking about lag slides. local game stuff
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> and, well, now i can't get a lot of lag anymore
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> move your server to japan or Canada and i can maybe help ypu
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> *you
22:55 <z-man> Ah. Hmm, timestamping the input could help here, this could increase the precision
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> you can get really good client side lag slide recordings on my server
22:56 <+wrtlprnft> but then z-man won't have the appropiate serverside recording to match the data
22:56 <z-man> wrtlprnft: there's lagfarm for that
22:56 <+mkzelda> z-man i had a new (to me) lag where it appeared i was driving 3x normal speed
22:56 <+mkzelda> last night in sumo
22:56 <+mkzelda> lasted entire round
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, hmmm, it would sure be nice if my serer were recording
22:56 <+mkzelda> everyone else said it looked like i was jumping from one side to the other
22:57 <z-man> mkzelda: I don't suppose you have a recording of that?
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, can we get a few people on lagfarm so i can get a recording of those pacmak map glitches?
22:57 <+mkzelda> no, but ill try to now
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> *pacmap
22:57 <+mkzelda> ill jump on there and record now
22:57 <z-man> hmm if everyone else saw strange effects, it may have been a server side thing
22:57 <z-man> did you cry BUG?
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> yes
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> people spawned inside closed areas
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> and i drove around inside one for a while
22:57 * Lucifer_arma is trying to reconstruct an invoice from data that doesn't exist anymore
22:58 <+mkzelda> no, but i can guess within an hour, and u can grep the messages for "3x" possibly
22:58 <+mkzelda> dook + 3x
22:58 <+Lucifer_arma> turns out I did lose some important data, but it only appears at the worst times
22:58 <+mkzelda> oh, i might have said 3 times as fast :D
22:58 <+mkzelda> nm
22:58 <z-man> respawning is a HACK
22:58 <+wrtlprnft> i know
22:59 <z-man> it's not supposed to work right with any map
22:59 <+wrtlprnft> uh, you never said that i think
22:59 <+wrtlprnft> you even told us to try custom maps in the thread where you gave us the password
23:00 <+wrtlprnft> > Set nasty maps, disable rubber completely, unleash an army of monkeys, be evil.
23:00 <+Lucifer_arma> an army of the 12 monkeys?
23:01 <z-man> Well, if you have 12, sure.
23:01 * Lucifer_arma loves that movie
23:01 <+wrtlprnft> and i guess that if you can push up the server load enough you can even go throgh walls on the default map
23:01 <luke-jr_> btw
23:01 <+Lucifer_arma> my only regret about that movie is that I didn't see it until after I quit smoking pot
23:01 <luke-jr_> size_factor -10 doesn't work with the default map
23:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: right, but I never said you had the right to complain if anything goes wrong :)
23:01 <luke-jr_> people spawn outside the arena
23:02 <+wrtlprnft> oh, if you want 12 monkeys: NUM_AIS 12
23:02 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: well, i assumed that was the point
23:02 <z-man> sort of
23:02 <z-man> but of course, there are limitations
23:02 <z-man> Oh, and unfortunately, the recordings of that day were unusable again :(
23:02 <z-man> If you repeat the experiment, I'll have a look.
23:03 <+wrtlprnft> second, I'm sure i can get the same result with the standard map and a bunch of AIs
23:03 <z-man> maybe
23:04 * z-man activated lag sliding log messages on Fortress to see who is complaining without reason
23:05 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
23:05 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: Yes, best time travel movie ever.
23:05 <+Lucifer_arma> I'll make sure to validate my claims with recordings or to not make such claims
23:06 <z-man> Haven't seen you complainig yet
23:06 <+mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, I had probs with my playlist stopping a lot last night
23:06 <spidey> usually
23:06 <+wrtlprnft> you actually read chats there or just stuff around BUG cries?
23:06 <spidey> i don't slide
23:06 <spidey> unless my connection sucks
23:06 <spidey> ext. rain
23:06 <spidey> :/
23:07 <spidey> seems as time goes by
23:07 <spidey> my isp's routing gets better
23:07 <z-man> I usually only read around BUG cries, but occasionally, I also grep for la+g
23:07 <+mkzelda> i thought it might have been vbr mp3s that were causing it to stop, tho i cant confirm yet
23:07 <spidey> but quality gets worse
23:07 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't complain much, my attitude about lag precludes most lag complaints I might make
23:07 <luke-jr_> z-man: aww, you didn't read that chat where I called you names, did you?
23:07 <+mkzelda> i try hard to replace 'lag' with 'wd'
23:07 <spidey> LOOOL
23:08 <luke-jr_> hehe, jk =p
23:08 <z-man> I don't care if I get called names :)
23:08 <spidey> #insult z-man
23:08 <+armabot> z-man - You are nothing but a halfbaked ass-full of weasel-smelling snot.
23:08 <spidey> xD
23:08 <madmax|pt> btw, today i somehow seemed to beat cycle_delay
23:09 <luke-jr_> I like CYCLE_DELAY 0.00000000001
23:09 <spidey> i like 3 axis's
23:09 <luke-jr_> and CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME 2000000000
23:09 <madmax|pt> is that possible?
23:09 <madmax|pt> i mean beating it
23:09 <spidey> mm
23:09 <spidey> i wonder what a deathmatch with 3 axis would be like
23:09 * spidey sets one up
23:10 <spidey> i guess i'd need 2 directories luke?
23:10 <spidey> or can i run them from the same dir
23:10 <spidey> but change settings
23:11 <spidey> Vanhayes,
23:11 * spidey pokes Vanhayes
23:11 <luke-jr_> you can't configure for deathmatch
23:12 <spidey> ah
23:12 <spidey> so i need 2 dir's ?
23:12 <luke-jr_> sure
23:12 <luke-jr_> and you need to compile it
23:13 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: i think i just crashed it
23:13 <z-man> Naa, don't worry, it's just restarting
23:13 <z-man> takes a while
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> 20 AIs are a bit too much
23:14 <z-man> Oh, and now it's recompiling
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
23:14 <z-man> will take another while
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> not the usual Admin: Restart in 10 minutes?
23:15 <z-man> you left the server, right?
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> no
23:15 <z-man> It has dedicated_idle set to something
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> it kicked me
23:15 <z-man> hehe
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> or, i timed out
23:15 <z-man> well, that counts as leaving
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> well, dunno why i timed out
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> might have been the server crashing
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> and then I'll time out
23:16 <z-man> [1] received logout from 1.
23:16 <z-man> [1] wrtlprnft |mbc| left the game.
23:16 <z-man> [1] Killing user 1, ping 3.79392.
23:16 <z-man> that's the log of your quitting
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> strange, i have no connection problems
23:16 <z-man> That's how it looks if the client decides it's timing out
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> i had that before when it was possible to crash my server by saying /msg
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> the client has no clue if the server crashed or the connection
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ free -m /home total used free shared buffers cached
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> Mem: 1010 997 13 0 3 23
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> -/+ buffers/cache: 970 39
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> Swap: 488 393 94
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> omg
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> don't be surprised if i crash soon
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> darn openoffice compile
23:29 <+wrtlprnft> wow
23:30 <+wrtlprnft> the free memory just jumped from almost 0 to 700MB in physical memory and from about 100MB to 400MB in swap space
23:30 <+wrtlprnft> looks like there was a really big gcc process
23:31 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:31 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 14 lines long.
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> too bad asking armabot your monologue breaks the monologue
23:38 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft pwns monologues
23:38 <+wrtlprnft> it doesn't
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:39 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:39 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long.
23:39 <madmax|pt> "at least" ?
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> armabot ignores itself for that
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> wekk
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> *well
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> you could have a monologue
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> and then armabot joins
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> and then you continue it
23:39 <madmax|pt> good point
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> or you could have linewrap
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> unless you have a really huge screen or a really small font
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: haha, you're now on top of the kick stat!
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> spidey wasn't very popular, getting kicked 3 times!
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> For example, like this: *** spidey was kicked by guru3
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> sniperyyd seemed to be hated too: 2 kicks were received.
23:47 <spidey> heh
23:48 <spidey> #night
23:48 <+armabot> Good night spidey!
Log from 2006-07-12:
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00:00 <spidey> nvm
00:00 <spidey> not tired enough
00:02 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
00:02 * wrtlprnft wouldn't be tired at 5PM
00:02 <spidey> it's past my bed time
00:03 * wrtlprnft goes to bed and carefully remembers NOT to close the cover
00:03 <spidey> lol
00:11 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5651 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Added debug checks for CYCLE_DELAY violations, fixed one of them.
00:11 <z-man> #later tell madmax|pt got your cycle_delay violation, well, not yours, someone elses, that was easier to find :)
00:11 <+armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
00:12 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:12 <madmax|pt> someone elses?
00:13 <madmax|pt> sooo, there's lots of it?
00:13 <madmax|pt> lol
00:13 <z-man> No, it doesn't happen that often
00:14 <z-man> I actually don't know who I got
00:14 <z-man> Didn't check
00:14 <z-man> and after the fix, the recording doesn't play back to the violation itself
00:15 <madmax|pt> hmm, ok
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5652 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: (log message trimmed)
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5647 to 5651:
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5651 | z-man | 2006-07-12 00:10:55 +0200 (Wed, 12 Jul 2006) | 1 line
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: Added debug checks for CYCLE_DELAY violations, fixed one of them.
00:19 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:20 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5649 | z-man | 2006-07-11 22:48:57 +0200 (Tue, 11 Jul 2006) | 1 line
00:20 <spidey> z-man, why doesn't the recording allow the server to crash?
00:20 <z-man> ?
00:20 <spidey> on my server
00:20 <spidey> there's a setting bug it's 2.8.2
00:20 <spidey> walls_stay_up_delay or something like that
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00:20 <z-man> You mean, the crash IS reproducible if you don't record?
00:20 <spidey> it crashes when i don't record...but won't crash when it's recording
00:21 <z-man> I thought it isn't
00:21 <z-man> Some memory overwrite bugs do stuff like that
00:21 <spidey> actually it won't even accept the setting that makes it crash while it's recording
00:21 <spidey> oh
00:23 <+mkzelda> i just locked up
00:23 <spidey> i can't get a recording but i got the 2 core files if you want them?
00:23 <spidey> mkzelda ?
00:23 <+mkzelda> tron froze
00:23 <spidey> heh
00:23 <+mkzelda> didnt kill anything else
00:23 <+mkzelda> i think the mp3 killed it
00:24 <+mkzelda> wonder if rec is still there
00:24 <+mkzelda> ya
00:25 <+mkzelda> i remember reading something about certain mp3s killing windows aa
00:25 <spidey> heh
00:27 <Vanhayes> it isnt nice to poke people spidey
00:27 <+mkzelda> yea
00:27 <spidey> LOL
00:27 <+mkzelda> that same mp3 crashes it
00:28 <spidey> Vanhayes, can i play for canada? ;D
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00:28 * spidey really doesn't wanna play on psykos team if he doesn't have to
00:28 <Vanhayes> move to canada, and then maybe
00:28 <spidey> :/
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00:29 <spidey> lol
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00:30 <Vanhayes> oops
00:30 <spidey> lol
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01:19 <+mkzelda> some players jump /bounce around a LOT with the trunk for me
01:19 <+mkzelda> although im playing better than ever, and im lag killing often
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01:27 <spidey> ?
01:27 <spidey> i use predict_objects 1 for that
01:28 <+mkzelda> is that prediction?
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01:47 <spidey> yes
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01:58 <Lackadaisical> hi everyone
01:59 <madmax|pt> hi Lackadaisical
02:00 <Vanhayes> hello
02:12 * Lucifer_arma is an accountant
02:19 <Vanhayes> congradulations?
02:27 <+Lucifer_arma> uhhh, no? heh
02:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I just balanced our accounts, and we switched to a double-entry system, so it was the first time I've ever done double-entry by hand
02:27 <+Lucifer_arma> feels like quite an accomplishment
02:27 <+Lucifer_arma> our = my family's
02:27 <madmax|pt> double-entry?
02:29 <madmax|pt> heh, going to bed
02:32 <Vanhayes> night
02:33 * madmax|pt is away: Sleep
02:43 <+mkzelda> i got a recording on lagfarm where i stopped moving
02:43 <+mkzelda> and others expereienced it
02:49 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, double-entry
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02:58 <Vanhayes> heh im playing a hosted game with 14 people and 1 rubber
02:59 <Vanhayes> and winning
03:03 <Vanhayes> aw they shut it down
03:11 <+Lucifer_arma> I hate setting up printers
03:27 <Your_mom_arma> luci are you moving the wiki now, i cant log in
03:33 <+Lucifer_arma> no, there's a problem with it, but guru3 hasn't sent me the database yet
03:33 <+Lucifer_arma> I should probably remind him to send it
03:35 <+Lucifer_arma> but there is a problem with the spam protection on it that I hope to get resolved in the move, or soon after
03:37 <Your_mom_arma> alright
03:48 <+Lucifer_arma> KMyMoney is a program that looks very nice but is a real pain in the ass to use
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04:06 <spidey> m
04:07 <spidey> how i rename a file from terminal?
04:07 <spidey> it's rename file newname right?
04:10 <+Lucifer_arma> mv oldfile newfile
04:10 <+Lucifer_arma> you don't rename so much as move it
04:10 <spidey> ah
04:11 <spidey> ls
04:11 <spidey> er
04:12 * Lucifer_arma points to the other window
04:12 <spidey> heh
04:13 <spidey> i really need a name for the servers O_o
04:14 <spidey> i guess i'll stick to U.S.whateverkindaserver
04:14 <spidey> heh
04:15 <spidey> i told nightmare not to be spamming his clan stuff in my server,he told me not to talk to him like that,then i said i'll talk to you how i feel
04:15 <spidey> he said that wouldn't be a smart idea
04:15 <spidey> O_o
04:16 <Vanhayes> did u kick him after that?
04:16 <spidey> no
04:17 <spidey> he saw i was logged in with /console players and asked how i got the password
04:17 <spidey> and really didn't say much more
04:17 <spidey> lol
04:17 <Vanhayes> lol nice
04:17 <spidey> he still doesn't know spidey = blaze
04:17 <spidey> heh
04:19 <spidey> acid@server [~/tron/server/bin]# ./armagetronad
04:19 <spidey> ./armagetronad: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:19 <spidey> O_o
04:26 <spidey> van
04:26 <spidey> come to U.S.3Axes
04:26 <Vanhayes> spid
04:26 <Vanhayes> ok
04:53 <spidey> llol
04:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, connect to fallin-angels.com on port 4345
04:53 <spidey> sor whatever
04:53 <spidey> schange he last number to a 5
04:53 <luke-jr_> with a web browser?
04:53 <spidey> tron
04:53 <luke-jr_> =p
04:53 <spidey> luke-jr_, goto U.S.3Axes
04:53 <spidey> :)
04:55 <luke-jr_> why
04:58 <spidey> come on ;p
05:17 <spidey> um
05:17 <spidey> Vanhayes,
05:17 <spidey> ?
05:17 <Vanhayes> ?
05:18 <spidey> erm
05:18 <spidey> sec
05:19 <spidey> seems the webserver went down
05:19 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
05:19 <spidey> it load for you?
05:20 <+Lucifer_arma> maybe nightmare remembers that shit he was doing on my server and getting kicked repeatedly :)
05:20 <spidey> ??
05:20 <Vanhayes> it loads spidey
05:20 <spidey> just now
05:21 <spidey> i'm able to reconnect to ssh now
05:21 <spidey> restarting the server
05:21 <spidey> i'ma load one at a time this time
05:21 <spidey> 3axes first
05:21 <spidey> i need to upload this exec first
05:23 <+mkzelda> that was fun
05:23 <spidey> ok
05:23 <spidey> reconnect
05:34 <spidey> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
05:34 <Vanhayes> ?
05:34 <spidey> ahhhhhhh
05:35 <spidey> the server crashes when people get on both servers
05:35 <spidey> ok
05:35 <spidey> one server
05:35 <spidey> which one?
05:35 <spidey> 3axes or normal?
05:36 <+mkzelda> hung up?
05:36 <Vanhayes> normal 3 axes is fine
05:36 <Vanhayes> er
05:36 <Vanhayes> was fine
05:36 <spidey> ok so 3 axes?
05:37 <+mkzelda> yea
05:37 <+mkzelda> for now
05:37 <spidey> ok
05:37 <spidey> started
05:38 <+mkzelda> are they on the same port?
05:38 <spidey> no
05:38 <+mkzelda> ppl keep joining one server or the other acting as if they expected the other
05:41 <Vanhayes> um is it down again?
05:41 <Vanhayes> #last
05:41 <+armabot> Vanhayes: [22:41:25] <Vanhayes> um is it down again?
06:14 <+armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5653 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added eLagCompensation files
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06:36 <+mkzelda> um is it down again?
06:36 <spidey> port changed
06:36 <+mkzelda> :D
06:36 <+mkzelda> i g2g2bed
06:36 <+mkzelda> thats a great server already
06:36 <spidey> :D
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08:22 <@guru3> Lucifer_arma: ready for the database?
08:22 <+Lucifer_arma> sure, except I won't do anything with it until tomorrow or the next day :)
08:23 <@guru3> ok to just leave the wiki down for that period?
08:23 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I don't personally mind. :) That's why I posted advance warning on the forums, after all.
08:23 <+Lucifer_arma> If you want to post another warning saying "it'll go down at <this time>", and wait until then, knock yourself out
08:24 <@guru3> i always enjoy suprising people though
08:24 <+Lucifer_arma> up to you. :) It's not exactly a surprise, since I posted a warning awhile back, with another one today.
08:24 <@guru3> ok
08:25 <@guru3> now...
08:25 <@guru3> how did db dumping work again...
08:27 <+wrtlprnft> i already noticed guru3 likes surprises, especially if they break things ;)
08:27 <+Lucifer_arma> last time you sshed to my machine and did it yourself, iirc. This time there's no account for you there, so you can just do a regular dump and give me a link :)
08:27 <@guru3> roger
08:27 <+Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: best kind of surprise
08:29 <+wrtlprnft> guru3: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5991 :s
08:29 <@guru3> damn i didn't want to login into the forums yet
08:30 <+wrtlprnft> ah, it can wait
08:30 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, doesn't look like porno spam this time
08:30 <+wrtlprnft> spam anyways
08:30 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, but not as high priority as porno spam
08:31 <@guru3> lots of registered spam users tho :/
08:31 <@guru3> i need a patch for the forums
08:31 <+wrtlprnft> captchas aren't 100% safe
08:31 <@guru3> that blocks users from registering with a mail.ru email address
08:38 <@guru3> ok figured out that was possible just now
08:38 <@guru3> why do i never find this stuff in the control panel
08:38 <@guru3> but instead always wind up reading the php to find out about it :S
08:43 <+wrtlprnft> bad control panel layout?
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08:49 <Vanhayes> http://www.wherethehellismatt.com anyone want to sponsor a trip around the world for me?
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09:07 <@guru3> Lucifer_arma: did you get the wikidb link?
09:08 <+Lucifer_arma> ummm, where's you send it?
09:12 <@guru3> in a notice
09:18 <+Lucifer_arma> aha, there it is
09:18 <+Lucifer_arma> downloaded
09:19 <@guru3> ok
09:19 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks, I'll get it up hopefully tomorrow
09:19 <@guru3> hf
09:19 <@guru3> hmm
09:19 <@guru3> better do an archive of the attachments
09:19 <@guru3> just thought of that :S
09:20 <@guru3> actually
09:20 <@guru3> i'll just tar up the folder :D
09:20 <@guru3> wonder why i didn't think of that before ><
09:22 <@guru3> noticed that url
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10:45 * madmax|pt is back (gone 08:11:54)
11:23 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5654 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGameObject.cpp: Fixed wrong check for too small timesteps.
11:24 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5655 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed correction of step too far back in time.
11:42 <spidey> you guys haven't seen speed yet
11:42 <spidey> xD
11:43 <spidey> i just hit 1.7 million on the speed guage xD
11:43 <spidey> swith 1million rubber
11:43 <spidey> ahaha
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15:10 <+cusco> I noticed a inter tron server on the master server list
15:26 <luke-jr_> ?
15:37 <+cusco> that was its name
15:38 <+cusco> and it said "hosted by lod"
15:38 <+cusco> or something
15:38 <+cusco> but it looks like its no longer there
16:00 <luke-jr_> inter tron?
16:00 <+wrtlprnft> second, he figured out how to host a server without making a stupid thread on the forums?
16:00 <+wrtlprnft> respect
16:26 <+wrtlprnft> #g 37 kW in horsepowers
16:26 <+armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:27 <+wrtlprnft> stupid thing :S
16:27 <+wrtlprnft> #g 37 kW in HP
16:27 <+armabot> 37 kilowatts = 49.6178173 HP
16:27 <+wrtlprnft> there we go
17:32 <+wrtlprnft> nice way to take the wiki down ;)
17:32 * wrtlprnft goes somewhere else to avoid another huge monologue
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17:50 <madmax|pt> #google fight "selection sort" "insertion sort"
17:50 <+armabot> madmax|pt: selection sort: 151000000, insertion sort: 8280000
17:50 <madmax|pt> #google fight "selection sort" "quick sort"
17:50 <+armabot> madmax|pt: quick sort: 188000000, selection sort: 169000000
18:00 <z-man> bubble sort!
18:00 <z-man> random sort is my favorite :)
18:01 <z-man> you just can't beat expected O(N!) runtime and the chance to never finish at all.
18:02 <madmax|pt> lolol
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18:57 <+armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5656 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed min_bounds and max_bounds bug. Initializing to [0, 0] is incorrect, should instead initialize to the first value received from the parser.
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19:07 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: Is aabeta still not [auto-updating](http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=65661#65661)?
19:20 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5657 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Fixed handling of redundant brake commands, the flexibilization for many axes broke it.
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5658 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5651 to 5657:
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5657 | z-man | 2006-07-12 19:20:28 +0200 (Wed, 12 Jul 2006) | 1 line
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: Fixed handling of redundant brake commands, the flexibilization for many axes broke it.
19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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19:29 <+armabot> armagetronad: r5655 | z-man | 2006-07-12 11:24:31 +0200 (Wed, 12 Jul 2006) | 1 line
19:33 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: ask Lucifer, he does that
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19:48 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
19:48 <+armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
20:07 <+Lucifer_arma> heh. I was thinking "lock the wiki" as in "let people read it, just don't let them write to it"
20:10 * luke-jr_ grumbles
20:11 <luke-jr_> Ricoh made a Linux-based digital camera but never sold it :(
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20:23 <+Lucifer_arma> guru3: you can redirect the wiki at will now, it's back on my machine, I think
20:25 <+Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.davefancella.com is the temporary location of the wiki now
20:38 <+Lucifer_arma> #unload CIA
20:38 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:39 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
20:39 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:39 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
20:39 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
20:40 <Lackadaisical> does anyone know what kind of bonus camera_glance_angular_velocity_bonus is?
20:42 <+Lucifer_arma> I would guess it's a bonus that changes angular velocity when you've glanced, as opposed to when you've just turned, and controls how quickly the camera returns to regular view after a glance
20:42 <+Lucifer_arma> but that's just a guess
20:42 <+Lucifer_arma> far as I know, the units on angular velocity are radians/second, too. But that's also just a guess. :)
20:43 <madmax|pt> trying to fix .3 glance?
20:46 <Lackadaisical> experimenting a bit
20:49 <nemostultae_> Lucifer_arma: does the commitnotifier update aabeta?
20:49 <+Lucifer_arma> not yet, working on that problem right now
20:50 <+Lucifer_arma> it lost the handler for it on a system crash (2 year old invoked)
20:50 <+Lucifer_arma> for some reason, the aliases persisted. I'm trying to work out what the difference is, since the handlers are mostly ripped from alias :)
20:58 <Lackadaisical> mmm... the wiki tells me to put the camera settings in the autoexec.cfg file, but there is none, do i need to make one?
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> yes
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> there is none to protect you from upgrades overwriting your old one :)
21:00 <Lackadaisical> ah ok , thanks
21:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #add handler test armagetronad echo "Hi there!"
21:03 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "add" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "add".
21:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler test armagetronad echo "Hi there!"
21:03 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
21:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #flush
21:03 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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21:04 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
21:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
21:11 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the notes plugin has actual code that saves the notes to a textfile...
21:12 <+wrtlprnft> i don't see anything for the CIA things, so it looks like that's the reason, it won't save anything by itself
21:12 <+wrtlprnft> s/things/thingy
21:15 <+wrtlprnft> did we downgrade the wiki now? :S
21:17 * wrtlprnft likes how z-man always words important and exploitable bugfixes in a way so that noone from the outside can guess what it's about and how to expoit it :)
21:18 * z-man doesn't understand bugfarm fortress player count. One minute it's empty, next minute full.
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
21:18 <z-man> It doesn't look like an exploitable bug after all. Have you tried it? It certainly messes your client up more than anyone elses' :)
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> i always get the feeling that if i enter either a whole bunch of people enter too, or if i barely managed to jouin as 16th player they all suddenly leave
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> or at least, at least 8 players leave within the duration of one match, without replacement
21:20 <z-man> Yeah, they like leave in packs.
21:20 <+wrtlprnft> usually it's because someone suggests sumo or something similar
21:21 <+wrtlprnft> there's too many people who just pop in to make ads
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21:21 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: no, i didn't try it, but it looks like a big mess to me, there might be assholes who just want to annoy everyone
21:22 <+wrtlprnft> though i have to admit i do the same
21:23 <+wrtlprnft> if there's a buch of idiots and someone like van/ghab/lucifer and then that person leaves i sometimes just press alt-f4
21:23 <Brooky> is anyone using xchat?
21:23 <+wrtlprnft> 21:23 CTCP VERSION reply from Brooky: xchat 2.6.5a Windows 5.0 [i686/996.00MHz]
21:24 <+wrtlprnft> no, and certanly not on a windows XP machine with 1000MHz
21:24 <Brooky> i dont understand
21:25 <Brooky> what do you mean?
21:25 <+wrtlprnft> basically i'm saying i don't use xchat, but i know you do
21:26 <+wrtlprnft> and xchat seems to be a bit too verbose in its version reply
21:26 <Brooky> im not on Xp
21:26 <Vanhayes> I use xchat, why?
21:26 <Brooky> Van
21:26 <+wrtlprnft> uh, windows 2000/NT then
21:26 <Vanhayes> Brooky
21:26 <Brooky> you know next to peoples names
21:27 * wrtlprnft doesn't know about wondows version numbers
21:27 <Brooky> what ate them coloured dots
21:27 <Brooky> are*
21:27 <Vanhayes> heh
21:27 <Vanhayes> didnt understand that at all
21:27 <Vanhayes> now I do
21:27 <Brooky> ok
21:27 <Brooky> what do they mean?
21:27 <Vanhayes> um there are no colored dots next to names on mine
21:28 <Brooky> oh
21:28 <+wrtlprnft> probably they're for modes
21:28 <Brooky> there are on mine
21:28 <Vanhayes> hmm 2.6.5?
21:28 <+wrtlprnft> let me guess, Lucifer_arma and me have a different color than you and Vanhayes?
21:28 <Brooky> yes
21:28 <+wrtlprnft> and armabot is the same as you two?
21:28 <+wrtlprnft> and guru3 has a totally different one?
21:28 <Brooky> guru has a green dot
21:28 <Vanhayes> o
21:28 <Vanhayes> it is ops and voice
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> guru3 is a channel operator
21:29 <Vanhayes> heh I thought u meant when they talked
21:29 <Brooky> cusco, luci, mk and wrtl have orange
21:29 <Vanhayes> I see the dots too
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> Brooky: that's because we're voiced
21:29 <Brooky> what does that mean?
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> guru3 did that in some sort of celebration, not that it means anything in this channel
21:29 <Brooky> Okies
21:29 <Vanhayes> orange=voiced green=chanel operator
21:29 <Brooky> thanks
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> Brooky: nothing, it only means we can talk if the channel is moderated, with it isn't
21:30 <Vanhayes> heh I think that happened when spidey and hellblade started having a one worded arguement which basically spammed the channel
21:30 <Brooky> ok
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> no
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 21:23 CTCP VERSION reply from Brooky: xchat 2.6.5a Windows 5.0 [i686/996.00MHz]
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv mkzelda cusco GodTodd] by guru3
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv armabot Lucifer_arma wejp] by guru3
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv wrtlprnft madmax|pt [Xpert]DarkStar] by guru3
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv spidey [NP]Tangent SuPeRTaRD] by guru3
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu_] by guru3
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> 14:26 <@guru3> voices for everyone in celebration :D
21:31 <Vanhayes> er thatr was when I first saw the voice, it also made it so no one couldnt talk
21:31 <Vanhayes> er
21:32 <Brooky> brb
21:32 <+wrtlprnft> that's what he sometimes does, but not this time
21:32 <Brooky> 2mins
21:33 <Brooky> back
21:33 <Brooky> was he celebrating getting into uni?
21:35 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
21:35 <Brooky> cool
21:35 <Brooky> sheffield?
21:36 <Brooky> did he say?
21:36 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, found out why it's not loading the old handlers. Working on it...
21:36 <+wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
21:36 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
21:37 <Vanhayes> what exactally does making someone voiced do?
21:37 <Brooky> like a mod
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: if the channel is moderated only voiced people can talk
21:38 <Vanhayes> thats it?
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
21:39 <Vanhayes> ok, thought they might get special privlidges or something
21:39 <+Lucifer_arma> it also empowers them to make decisions and to select those responsible and accountable for making decisions
21:39 <+Lucifer_arma> I HAVE A VOICE IN MY GOVERNMENT!
21:39 <+Lucifer_arma> er
21:39 <+Lucifer_arma> sorry
21:39 * Lucifer_arma goes back to code
21:40 <Brooky> lol
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're just as special as 6 billion other people
21:40 <Brooky> that is one big chat log
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
21:41 * wrtlprnft needs to split it
21:41 <Brooky> #realchatlogs
21:41 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
21:41 <Brooky> huh
21:41 <Brooky> oops
21:41 <Brooky> ignore that
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: no, I'm only as special as 200 million other people who, by proxy, also have a say in everyone else's government
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> "Get a democracy ruled by corporations or the US will nuke your ass!"
21:42 <+wrtlprnft> true...
21:42 <+wrtlprnft> still, the US have the most stupid law system :P
21:42 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, some people are obsessed. Check this out.
21:42 <Brooky> lol
21:43 <+Lucifer_arma> after class there was this guy talking to another guy, and he was explaining how there's a conspiracy that put demolition charges in the WTC
21:43 <+Lucifer_arma> and setup a remote air traffic control system to guide the airplanes
21:43 <Brooky> that is mad
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> he figured this conspiracy somehow got some terrorists to hijack the planes, and used that as a front to set off the demolition charges
21:44 <Brooky> ok
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> and thus demonstrated he doesn't know jack about architecture, physics, airplane navigation, and conspiracies
21:45 <Brooky> you know if you pay for hosting for a game server on a linux machine
21:45 <Brooky> how do i set it up
21:45 <Brooky> ?
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> don't know, I've never payed for hosting a game server on a linux machine
21:45 <Brooky> Ok
21:45 <madmax|pt> saw the video about that Lucifer_arma ?
21:45 <Brooky> no
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: about what?
21:46 <+Lucifer_arma> the WTC I was just talking about?
21:46 <madmax|pt> yes
21:46 <madmax|pt> the... "conspiracy"
21:46 <+Lucifer_arma> no, overheard some kids at school talking about it
21:46 <+Lucifer_arma> thought it rated pretty highly up there in stupid crackpot conspiracies
21:47 <+Lucifer_arma> if you're going to be a crackpot, I guess you should try to be the dumbest crackpot of all, because smart crackpots get shuttled off by the government, sent to prison camps and whatnot
21:47 <madmax|pt> take a look at it some day
21:47 <madmax|pt> its on google video
21:47 <+Lucifer_arma> why? If what I've just said is an accurate summary, then I can see it's a waste of my time :)
21:48 <Brooky> what is settings_web for?
21:48 <madmax|pt> are you sure?
21:48 <Brooky> and...
21:48 <Brooky> web_password?
21:48 <+Lucifer_arma> 1. A conspiracy's chances of succeeding drop off dramatically as more people are brought into it. It's not just complexity, it's the chance of being discovered and/or betrayed
21:48 <+Lucifer_arma> so that rules out the idea of having a small army of people setting demolition charges in a public building
21:48 <+Lucifer_arma> it also rules out the air traffic control thing
21:49 <+Lucifer_arma> because teh amount of complexity required by this conspiracy to do all that is waaaay too much
21:49 <+Lucifer_arma> if you consider that the implication is the Bush and/or some other evil people were at the top, why couldn't they just pay off al-qaida to do exactly what it appears they did?
21:49 <+Lucifer_arma> that would require 2 people max in the conspiracy, the american with the money, and Osama Bin Laden
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> since that step is required anyway, all the rest of the stuff about demolition charges and air traffic control systems is just bs
21:50 <madmax|pt> i keep saying, its an interesting video, its not only the "traffic control" and "the demolition charges"
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> if the conspiracists are so incompetent that they're doing all this other stuff too, it makes more sense that they'd have been caught before it happened than that they were successful
21:50 <madmax|pt> some more... at least odd... things are pointed out
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> "at least odd" usually means "shows the crackpot doesn't understand physics, and has no clue how people who aren't antisocial actually interact with each other"
21:52 <madmax|pt> just dont judge it before seing it
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> too late. If it says "crackpot" on it, it's already discredited to me.
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> that's why I didn't waste my time with Fahrenheit 9/11 :)
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> Brooky: that stuff is for the embedded web server that's in 0.3.0
21:54 <madmax|pt> I think you fit in my american stereotype
21:55 <madmax|pt> you think Fahrenheit 9/11 is just a bunch of crap?
21:56 <+Lucifer_arma> no, I think Michael Moore is a crackpot
21:56 <@guru3> Brooky: yes sheffield
21:56 <+Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 because I think MM is a crackpot
21:57 <Brooky> what does it do and what can i do with it?
21:57 * madmax|pt just learned what a crackpot is thanks to google
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> Brooky: the whole point of the embedded webserver is that it gives a way to serve up resources from the game server directly
21:57 <Vanhayes> I liked bowling for colombine but Fahrenheit 9/11 was pretty bad because even I thought it was biased
21:58 <madmax|pt> Bowling for colombine is pretty good
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> Bowling for Columbine was interesting. It was at least not politically charged, trying to sway an election.
21:58 <Brooky> directly to what?
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> but it still went like "I'm a crackpot" for the most part
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> Brooky: directly to players playing on the server?
21:58 <Brooky> ok
21:58 <Vanhayes> like when moore asked that senator to sign his kid up for the army, that was just too much
21:58 <Brooky> thanks
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> try enabling the webserver, then go to localhost:4550/resource
21:59 <Brooky> can you guys check if my server is working
21:59 <Brooky> its called
21:59 <Brooky> element clan server
21:59 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I'd support a law that had a "vote of war confidence" thing, where if a war is going bad, we can vote to send the President directly to lead it and give him a time limit in which to win and bring our troops back
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> so isnted of arguing over whether or not the war is going bad, or if it was a good idea, or any of that, we can just say "Bush, go fight your own war, you've got 1 year and then we're pulling everyone out"
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> if you send him to the place where the war is happening there's no need for a limit
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> or her, in theory
22:01 <Lackadaisical> that wouldve been a bit useless in the war on terrorism since you can never really win against terror
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> it would be very useful in Iraq right now :)
22:01 <Brooky> got to go
22:01 * Lucifer_arma points out that the american reaction to the terrorist attacks is more or less the reaction that ws desired
22:01 <Brooky> cya
22:01 <Vanhayes> Im saying that if he had asked the senator to sign himself up id be fine with that but to sign up his son? is that even legal?
22:01 <Brooky> bye
22:01 -!- Brooky [n=Brooky@80.73.220.207] has quit ["Leaving"]
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> we were flamebaited, and we responded with flames. We suck.
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> place bush in iraq, tell everyone where he is located, and wait until the problem solves itself
22:02 <madmax|pt> ws?
22:02 <Lackadaisical> Lucifer_arma: are you planning to make the wiki less eyeclashing on iexplorer?
22:02 <+wrtlprnft> pfft
22:02 <Vanhayes> you can change the way it looks I think
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> can't we have some png with a red font saying IE sucks as background? give the font an opacity of 1% and set the background color to red, but make everything else 100% transparent
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> the result will be that it will only appear in IE
22:04 <+Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical: I'm planning on putting that stuff into svn so people who have real problems with it can fix it/send patches :)
22:05 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873221.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
22:05 <Lackadaisical> i would send a patch, but i dont know what svn is
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> from <something@mail.ru>
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> setting out? You can beat these eggheads over the head with a two-by-four
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> done well, at no expense to tension and suspense. "Well, I don't subscribe to that point of view. And as for specific The young gulls looked at him quizzically. Hey, man, they thought,
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> i don't get that one
22:05 <+Lucifer_arma> right now I'm trying to fix the CIA plugin to armabot so we can get the other updating going on again reliably
22:05 <+Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: view it as html
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> i do
22:06 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, another incompetent spammer?
22:06 <+Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical: I'll dig up a link to a graphical svn client or something. svn = subversion, it's where we keep source code we work on. :)
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/86361
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> that's all there is to that mail
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> X-UIDL: _!O"!*-<"!QF8"!G?l"!
22:07 <+wrtlprnft> wtf is that?
22:15 <+wrtlprnft> xorg 7 broke bzflag it seems.
22:15 <+wrtlprnft> infact it broke almost everything and i don't see any benefits...
22:16 <+Lucifer_arma> I can't help you, emerge kde breaks on a boilerplate konqueror plugin
22:29 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B91BF.versanet.de] has quit [Success]
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22:37 <+wrtlprnft> darn config file
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> why does this thing have to have a random seed in the config file whose fefault changes for every update?
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> darn kdm
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> a sign i should go to bed
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> ?
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
22:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
22:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
22:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
22:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:47 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
22:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:48 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
22:48 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:50 * wrtlprnft suggests Lucifer_arma to check his logs
22:50 <+Lucifer_arma> what logs?
22:50 <+Lucifer_arma> supybot logs?
22:51 <luke-jr_> Lackadaisical: wtf? I thought you were a web designer...
22:52 <Lackadaisical> huh what?
22:52 <Lackadaisical> i can't think of iexplorer users because i'm a webdesigner?
22:52 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: for me wrtlbot logged a backtrace when there was an error in the plugin
22:53 <luke-jr_> well, you complained about IE's horrible rendering as if it were the fault of the page
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> aha, those logs. Yeah, I'm tailing them :)
22:53 <luke-jr_> Why bother? Just say your site requires a web-browser
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
22:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:53 <luke-jr_> which IE doesn't qualify for
22:54 <Lackadaisical> that doesn't mean alot of people still use it as one
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> it's an opensource game, use a browser that has at least the quality of firefox
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> which isn't a high standard
22:54 <Lackadaisical> and the wiki already uses conditional comments to fix things for iexplorer
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> our audience consists of people that play computer games, not necessarily geeky kids that like to spout off about how the world is <this> even though it's really <that>
22:55 <luke-jr_> shrug, my solution would be to throw up a "Download a web browser here: <links>"
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> that's not a solution, that's called "passing the buck"
22:55 <luke-jr_> no, it's called informing users of requirements and expecting them to meet it
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> or, in layman's terms, "It's not my problem, and I don't care about your problems"
22:56 <luke-jr_> "It's not my problem; here's how you can fix yours"
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> see luke-jr_ , you're one of those geeky kids that like to spout off about how the world is <this> even though it's really <that>
22:56 <luke-jr_> nonsense
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> more of the same
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> it's true, you think the earth is the center of the universe
22:56 <luke-jr_> it is
22:57 <luke-jr_> and you can't disprove it, so don't complain
22:57 <+Lucifer_arma> I shouldn't have to. Your church put on trial the man that did disprove it
22:57 <luke-jr_> he didn't disprove anything
22:57 <+Lucifer_arma> was it your state that tried to pass the law that defined pi as int(3) ?
22:57 <luke-jr_> no clue
22:58 <luke-jr_> just moved here a year ago
22:58 <luke-jr_> I know this state is the only one that doesn't donate money to have children murdered
22:59 <+Lucifer_arma> they take kids away from their parents, though, and stick 'em in the home of abusive sexual predators
22:59 <+Lucifer_arma> all the states do that, it's called "protecting children"
22:59 <luke-jr_> no surprise
22:59 <luke-jr_> but like you said, they all do it
23:00 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:01 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:01 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:03 <+Lucifer_arma> holy shit, it worked!
23:03 <+Lucifer_arma> er, so far anyway
23:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
23:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No handlers defined!
23:04 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
23:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
23:04 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotify armagetronad echo $message
23:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:06 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Cia is already loaded.
23:06 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:06 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotify armagetronad echo $message
23:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:09 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf TMTOWTDI
23:09 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-43-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #armagetron
23:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: TMTOWTDI: nothing appropriate
23:12 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:13 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotify armagetronad echo $message
23:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:13 <+Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:14 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:14 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotify armagetronad echo $message
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> #unload CIA
23:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There was no plugin CIA.
23:17 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-9-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:17 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:18 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:18 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:19 <+Lucifer_arma> aha, I suspected as much
23:19 -!- armabot [n=armabot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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23:20 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Cia is already loaded.
23:20 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotify armagetronad echo $message
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:21 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
23:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify
23:21 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5671 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/config.py: more config stuff
23:21 <+Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:21 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5671 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/config.py: more config stuff
23:21 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5671 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/config.py: more config stuff (Lucifer is dumb)
23:22 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5671 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/config.py: more config stuff (he has other ways to test)
23:22 <armabot> armagetronad but maybe it was more than a test!
23:27 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-184-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
23:30 * spidey yawns
23:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> then go to sleep
23:33 <spidey> i done slept
23:33 <spidey> long ass time
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what is your localtime=
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ?
23:33 <spidey> 5:33pm
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mmm k
23:34 <spidey> just wooke up :p
23:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 11:34 pm here
23:34 <+wrtlprnft> here too
23:34 <spidey> O_
23:34 <spidey> O_o
23:34 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
23:34 <+wrtlprnft> _o
23:34 <spidey> O_o
23:34 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5672 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: more config stuff
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
23:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify
23:35 <+Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:35 <+Lucifer_arma> wtf?
23:35 <spidey> heh
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> uh
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> if the handler doesn't work, will armabot update?
23:36 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:36 <+Lucifer_arma> what a dipshit
23:36 <spidey> lol
23:36 <+Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: there's no armabot update handler yet, I'm still making the thing work :)
23:36 * wrtlprnft thought Lucifer_arma loved python so much
23:36 <+wrtlprnft> well
23:36 * Lucifer_arma wonders what this has to do with python
23:36 <+wrtlprnft> if the handler doesn't work, how's armabot gonna be updated?
23:37 <+Lucifer_arma> #load CIA
23:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:37 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
23:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify
23:38 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5675 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/config.py: removed spurious comment to test stuff
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks luke-jr_ for finding that bug for me
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> now it checks the nick before doing the string matching
23:38 <+wrtlprnft> can normal people talk in #commits?
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> i was assuming the room was moderated
23:39 <+Lucifer_arma> luke found that he could type "armagetronad something" and armabot would say "something" here
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> with only CIA-* being voiced
23:41 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
23:42 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler armabotupdater /support/armabot cmd /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
23:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:43 <+Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:43 <spidey> gah
23:43 <spidey> i forgot my address
23:43 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5676 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: added spurious comment to test stuff
23:43 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdater'
23:44 <spidey> [0] Warning in REAL sn_SendPlanned1() in ../../builds/b_0.2.8.2/B1/armagetronad-0.2.8.2/src/network/nNetwork.cpp:2819 :
23:44 <spidey> [0] Timer hickup!
23:44 <+Lucifer_arma> now what was the command to update aabeta?
23:44 <spidey> what's that?
23:44 <+Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: what's the command you want me to run to update aabeta?
23:45 <+Lucifer_arma> so, if you are currently experiencing hiccups, do you say "I'm hiccing up" or "I'm hiccupping"?
23:46 <spidey> ......
23:47 <spidey> i dunno what you're talking about,but i copied that outta the tron terminal O_o
23:48 <+Lucifer_arma> so, let's say I have a directory called "wiki", and it's full of mediawiki
23:49 <+Lucifer_arma> and I have a directory in svn that contains a tree that's structured the same as mediawiki, but only contains certain files, not the whole installation
23:49 <+Lucifer_arma> can I svn co the directory into my directory "wiki", or does svn require the directory not yet exist?
23:50 <spidey> dunno,i don't use svn :p
23:50 <+Lucifer_arma> a more important question is "Do we want mediawiki in our own svn repo?"
23:50 <+Lucifer_arma> because if the answer to that is "yes", then my first question is obsolete
23:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
23:52 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
Log from 2006-07-13:
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00:01 <spidey> ok
00:01 <spidey> if i fuck this up,i'll bbl with a raw debian install
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00:09 <spidey> yay
00:09 <spidey> i upgraded X without breaking it xD
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00:15 <spidey> :>
00:15 <spidey> Xorg > 6.8 that means a newer version of it right?
00:15 <+Lucifer_arma> #list ChannelLogger
00:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger" to see what configuration variables it has.
00:16 <+Lucifer_arma> #config list supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger
00:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #filenameTimestamp, #noLogPrefix, #rotateLogs, #stripFormatting, @#timestamp, @directories, flushImmediately, and public
00:18 <luke-jr_> Jun 26 10:25:04 <Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate "/www/beta" cmd nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org "/var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message" &
00:18 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate "/www/beta" cmd nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org "/var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message" &
00:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:18 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks luke-jr_
00:19 <luke-jr_> np
00:19 * Lucifer_arma was just grepping his logs looking for it
00:19 <+Lucifer_arma> #flush
00:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:22 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5677 /www/wiki/ (. branches/ tags/ trunk/): Adding wiki directory tree
00:27 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5678 /www/wiki/trunk/ (LocalSettings.php extensions/ extensions/README): Adding some wiki files
00:27 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5679 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/: added skins directory
00:28 <+wrtlprnft> wow, the repository must be huge now
00:29 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm only adding individual files right now
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5680 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/ (27 files in 2 dirs): Added armagetronad skin
00:29 <+wrtlprnft> 9 more messages and we are on the front page!
00:29 <+Lucifer_arma> I'll keep working :)
00:29 <+Lucifer_arma> what file is the login hack you did in?
00:29 <+Lucifer_arma> or should I just add the whole wiki source?
00:29 <+wrtlprnft> uh
00:29 <+wrtlprnft> something in special/
00:30 <+wrtlprnft> sec
00:30 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't see a special directory
00:31 <+wrtlprnft> includes/SpecialUserlogin.php
00:31 <+wrtlprnft> includes/templates/Userlogin.php
00:31 <+wrtlprnft> both of them
00:32 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm tempted to just bring in the whole wiki source
00:32 <+wrtlprnft> do what you wish... you're the only admin awake right now i guess
00:32 <+Lucifer_arma> apparently, heh
00:33 <+wrtlprnft> z-man might be too
00:33 <+wrtlprnft> so do it fast before he looks in here
00:33 <spidey> firefox's pop-up blocker sucks :/
00:33 <+wrtlprnft> ;)
00:34 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5681 /www/wiki/trunk/includes/ (173 files in 4 dirs): Added includes directory, obviously.
00:37 <+Lucifer_arma> wtf? I chmodded so the supybot user can use the svn sandbox, but it can't update?!?
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00:46 <+wrtlprnft> #night
00:46 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:46 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler wikiupdater /www/wiki cmd /home/supybot/bin/updatewiki
00:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:48 <spidey> O_o gimp's better than photoshop
00:48 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5682 /www/wiki/trunk/LocalSettings.php: Testing wiki updater
00:48 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
00:48 <+Lucifer_arma> yay, I broke it
00:49 <spidey> that's my line!
00:50 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5683 /www/wiki/trunk/LocalSettings.php: Testing wiki updater
00:50 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
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00:55 <+Lucifer_arma> where do I get this magical setuid program?
00:59 <spidey> ??
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01:08 <+Lucifer_arma> how do I get svn to leave the permissions on a file alone?
01:10 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5684 /www/wiki/trunk/LocalSettings.php: removing database settings
01:10 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
01:11 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5685 /www/wiki/trunk/includes/Article.php: Test for armabot
01:11 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
01:14 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5686 /www/wiki/trunk/ArmaSettings.php: Added ArmaSettings.php
01:14 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5687 /www/wiki/trunk/ (ArmaSettings.php includes/Article.php): Removed DatabaseSettings.php include, it's not used anymore
01:17 <armabot> Executed 'wikiupdater'
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01:22 <+Lucifer_arma> well, we'll see how well that works out
01:25 <spidey> 'er
01:25 <spidey> i updated xorg and my fps in tron broke
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01:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft, did you ever fix your fps problem from upgrading the X server?
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02:37 <spidey> mommmmmy
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> hi
02:38 <spidey> omg
02:38 <spidey> x upgrade = fucked up
02:38 * spidey downloads raw debian
02:39 <spidey> mmm
02:39 <spidey> maybe i should restart X
02:39 <spidey> brb
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02:47 <Stewie-arma> hello
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> hi
02:48 <Stewie-arma> how goes it?
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> fine
02:48 <Stewie-arma> svick
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02:50 <Stewie-arma> hey spidizzey
02:50 <spidey> yo
02:51 <Stewie-arma> whatcha doin?
02:53 <spidey> fuckin with tron
02:53 <Stewie-arma> your fucking a program?
02:53 <spidey> :/
02:54 <spidey> no,i updated the X server then my fps dropped to 16
02:54 <Stewie-arma> genious
02:54 <spidey> so i changed some setting...managed to keep a good look but also get my fps up to 30
02:54 <spidey> if i can figure out which pacakge i need i usually get 80-90 here lately
02:55 <Stewie-arma> my fps now is aroung 120-110
02:55 <spidey> O_o
02:55 <Stewie-arma> which is funny seeing as it is usually 20-30
02:55 <spidey> o_O
02:56 <spidey> mine's usually 59 steady
02:56 <spidey> but after the last release of .3 i think i started getting 80-90
02:57 * spidey stabs mepis for not having 7.0.2 x server default
03:00 <Stewie-arma> that's not nice
03:01 <Stewie-arma> why did the shark attack you?
03:01 <Stewie-arma> where you taunting the shark
03:01 <spidey> huh?
03:10 <Stewie-arma> dane cook dude
03:19 <spidey> mmmmm
03:19 <spidey> it's time to play
03:19 * spidey uninstalls every signle package in synaptic
03:20 <spidey> actually
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03:24 <luke-jr_> BitTorrent needs to support chatting...
03:24 <luke-jr_> "you guys know we can't get more than 59% of this file?"
03:25 <luke-jr_> "any plans to solve the missing seed?"
03:25 * luke-jr_ is glad he waits to do big upgrades-- now he knows to avoid X 7
03:27 <spidey> ?
03:28 <spidey> i think it's just a missing package
03:28 <spidey> but i can't figure out which one :/
03:29 <spidey> mmmm
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03:59 <+Lucifer_arma> that spicy chicken is fucking awesome
03:59 <spidey_> growl
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04:04 <spidey> vnc sucks over lan
04:08 <+Lucifer_arma> not if its on a mac
04:08 <+Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: the aabetaupdate is working again, and will hopefully not break for awhile this time
04:09 <nemostultae> Lucifer_arma: thanks
04:09 <+Lucifer_arma> yw :)
04:09 <+Lucifer_arma> there's also some wiki stuff in there in case you feel the urge to hack the wiki
04:10 <nemostultae> I wasn't able to login in to the wiki in OmniWeb because of the spamfix. Maybe I'll take a look at that.
04:10 <spidey> ahahah
04:11 <+Lucifer_arma> you just need to checkout /www/wiki/trunk iirc, and commit, armabot will update the wiki automatically on the commit message, just like it updates aabeta
04:11 <spidey> me and anjori where joking about something and used the name jolinux
04:11 <spidey> that's actually a distro :/
04:11 <+Lucifer_arma> I had some permissions problems, so you might encounter that. Let me know if you see it asap so I can fix it.
04:11 * Lucifer_arma wants anjori to build Anjorix
04:11 <spidey> lol
04:12 <spidey> ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ <<< lots of distros i've never heard of
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04:12 <Lizz> hiya guys
04:12 <nemostultae> oops, wrong window
04:12 <spidey> anyone hear of gobolinux? lol
04:12 <+Lucifer_arma> hi Lizz
04:12 <Lizz> spider?
04:12 <spidey> lizz?
04:12 <Lizz> shiya luceeeeee
04:12 <nemostultae> nemo?
04:12 <+Lucifer_arma> isn't that fraggle rock linux?
04:12 <+Lucifer_arma> cusco?
04:12 <spidey> dunno
04:12 <Lizz> can u tell me which folder in the 0.3.0 ver has ur nic in it?
04:13 <spidey> none?
04:13 <Lizz> >.<
04:13 <+Lucifer_arma> only if you tell me what "ur nic" is supposed to mean
04:13 <+Lucifer_arma> #dict ur
04:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: easton, wn, gcide, and hitchcock responded: hitchcock: Ur, fire, light, a valley; gcide: Ur \Ur\, Ure \Ure\, n. (Zool.) The urus. [1913 Webster]; wn: Ur n : an ancient city of Sumer located on a former channel of the Euphrates River; gcide: Urus \U"rus\, n. [L.; of Teutonic origin. See {Aurochs}.] (Zool.) A very large, powerful, and savage extinct bovine animal ({Bos (10 more messages)
04:13 <Lizz> name
04:13 <+Lucifer_arma> #dict nic
04:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: foldoc and vera responded: vera: NIC Numeric Intensive Computing; vera: NIC Network Interface Card / Controller; vera: NIC Network Information Center (Internet, org.); foldoc: NIC 1. <networking> {Network Information Center}. 2. <hardware> {Network Interface Card}. (1996-02-13)
04:13 <spidey> lol?
04:13 <+Lucifer_arma> I was right! That sentence didn't make any sense at all
04:13 <Lizz> settings or visual settings?
04:13 <spidey> ????
04:13 <nemostultae> neither, user.cfg
04:14 <Lizz> ok ty one sec
04:14 <spidey> nononono
04:14 <+Lucifer_arma> isn't it user_030.cfg or something like that?
04:14 <spidey> use autoexec.cfg
04:14 <spidey> it's easier
04:14 <nemostultae> oh, yea
04:14 <+Lucifer_arma> to avoid clobbering settings from the stable release :)
04:14 <spidey> just add player_1 <name>
04:14 <nemostultae> just put "PLAYER_1 somename" in autoexec.cfg
04:14 <spidey> ??
04:14 <nemostultae> ??
04:14 <spidey> i saw this
04:14 <Lizz> erm
04:14 <spidey> nemostultae just put "PLAYER_1 somename" in autoexec.cfg
04:15 <+Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: tell me about the script you have that sets a new name every time you start arma
04:15 <spidey> blocks with 0's inside
04:15 <+Lucifer_arma> please :)
04:15 <nemostultae> your client doesn't support UTF8
04:15 <spidey> oh
04:15 <nemostultae> it just takes a word out of /usr/share/dict/words
04:15 <+Lucifer_arma> no, how does it do the deed?
04:16 <nemostultae> oh, let me dig it up.
04:16 <+Lucifer_arma> do you just wrap arma, or do you have a hack for it?
04:16 <nemostultae> I wrap arma.
04:17 <+Lucifer_arma> oh fuck. I just scratched the inside of my nose, but I haven't washed my hands since I cut the jalapenos
04:18 <nemostultae> http://pastie.caboo.se/4403
04:18 <nemostultae> that would be it.
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04:23 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks. so you just write a new autoexec.cfg when you start, that's easy enough :)
04:23 <nemostultae> Actually it just replaces the PLAYER_1 in there.
04:23 <nemostultae> and COLOR_ stuff
04:24 * spidey puts vmware on his windows box to test distros before installing them
04:26 <nemostultae> I love the names it comes up with sometimes
04:26 <+Lucifer_arma> so I have to make an autoexec.cfg with that stuff in it, then? ;)
04:26 <nemostultae> yes, you need PLAYER_1 and stuff in there
04:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I just discovered that I haven't installed and run arma since I rebuilt this computer, so I don't have ~/.armagetronad yet
04:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I've been running from a build directory, heh
04:27 <spidey> ........
04:27 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[/usr/share/dict]$ ls
04:27 <spidey> words
04:27 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[/usr/share/dict]$ cat words
04:27 <spidey> cat: words: No such file or directory
04:27 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[/usr/share/dict]$ cd words
04:27 <spidey> -su: cd: words: No such file or directory
04:28 <spidey> "/
04:28 <spidey> :/
04:28 <nemostultae> words is a file
04:28 <spidey> says it's not :(
04:28 <nemostultae> what is in that directory?
04:28 <spidey> read the post?
04:29 <nemostultae> so nothing is in dict/
04:29 <spidey> yes
04:29 <spidey> words is in dict
04:29 <spidey> ls says that
04:29 <spidey> ^^^
04:29 <nemostultae> oops, missed the cat
04:29 <nemostultae> words is a link to web2 on my machine
04:30 <spidey> oh
04:32 <nemostultae> web2a has some good ones, too. Too long for arma names, though
04:32 <spidey> mm
04:32 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I was going to write up a quick python script to do the name picking, so I can use my own names :)
04:32 <spidey> so just make a autoexec.cfg with those 12 lines?
04:33 <+Lucifer_arma> ? You save the script nemo gave and adapt it for linux (of course), and instead of typing "armagetronad" to play, you type the name of that script instead
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04:34 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (5 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (3 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (2 players) || Norm's Place (2 players) || race server (random maps, disable moviepack) (1 players) || 1V1 Sumo Arena (1 players) || ~}SD{~ Clan Sever *FoC* (0 players) || (1 more message)
04:34 <Vanhayes> #more
04:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: M0rph1umDuckz D3d1cat3d HUN (Linux, CET 17:00-06:00) (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players) || OOPS-CLAN-SERVER (0 players) || SniperRace (Testversion) (0 players) || RaceToWinzone (Testversion) (0 players) || Luke-Jr's Experimental Test Server (0 players)
04:35 <+Lucifer_arma> python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,15)" <--- here's the random color part in python, in case you don't have ruby installed
04:36 <spidey> i got ruby
04:39 <spidey> actually
04:39 <spidey> it looks like that should work for me like it is,just change the paths
04:39 <nemostultae> and the open part at the end.
04:40 <spidey> i can use open to start a program,just need to change that path to
04:40 <nemostultae> sometimes it chooses a name too long for arma, which I should probably fix.
04:41 <spidey> mmm
04:44 <+Lucifer_arma> sed -i .bak <--- what's .bak ?
04:44 <spidey> backup?
04:44 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, backup extension?
04:44 <nemostultae> yea
04:44 <nemostultae> -i is inplace edit
04:46 <+Lucifer_arma> what's the "extended" range of colors, if you want a lame cycle that's a different color than your wall?
04:46 <+Lucifer_arma> is that just [0,31] ?
04:47 <nemostultae> I just use negative numbers when I want a funky color
04:48 <nemostultae> -current_color_value keeps your base color mostly.
04:48 <nemostultae> atleast for pink
04:52 <spidey> wtf
04:52 <+Lucifer_arma> sed: can't read .bak: No such file or directory
04:52 <spidey> for somereason firefox got the wild urge to save it in /tmp/
04:52 <spidey> and won't put it on desktop ><
04:53 <nemostultae> maybe take out the space, -i.bak
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04:55 <+Lucifer_arma> http://pastie.caboo.se/4407 <--- here's with my change
04:55 <+Lucifer_arma> you need the little python program I just wrote, though
04:57 <spidey> lucifer,anyreason i can't put it on my desktop?
04:57 <+Lucifer_arma> http://pastie.caboo.se/4408 <--- the python program. Change the path to suit, create ~/.armagetronad/var/namelist.txt or whatever it says in the file
04:57 <spidey> it keeps saving it here
04:57 <spidey> /home/spidey/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments/arma.sh.desktop
04:57 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I copied it into a text editor and saved it from there
04:57 <+Lucifer_arma> that's a link, that's not the file
04:57 <spidey> yea
04:57 <spidey> i'm using kwrite
04:57 <spidey> i try to save at /home/spidey/Desktop
04:58 <spidey> it doesn't
04:58 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I put both of them in some directory under my home directory, chmod uga+x to both of them, then copied them to /usr/local/bin
04:59 <spidey> oh
04:59 <spidey> here it is
04:59 <spidey> /tmp/arma.sh
04:59 <+Lucifer_arma> sudo cp /tmp/arma.sh /usr/local/bin/
04:59 <+Lucifer_arma> :)
05:00 <+Lucifer_arma> http://pastie.caboo.se/4409 <--- use this for the python program, it doesn't require editing
05:01 <spidey> Error: Error in bool sr_InitDisplay() in ../../builds/b_0.3.0/B1/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/render/rScreen.cpp:738 :
05:01 <spidey> Sorry, played all my cards trying to initialize your video system.
05:01 <spidey> Armagetron Advanced won't run on your computer. Reason:
05:01 <spidey> Couldn't set video mode: OpenGL not available
05:01 <spidey> I'll try again from the beginning, but the chances of success are minimal.
05:01 <spidey> ERRRRRRRR
05:01 <spidey> xlibmesa-gl i'm guessing i need that right?
05:01 * Lizz sings
05:02 <spidey> but it won't install from synaptic
05:02 * Your_mom_arma note cycle_turn_speed
05:02 <Your_mom_arma> _factor 1.2 causes arma wierdness
05:02 <+Lucifer_arma> yay. thanks nemo. :)
05:04 <+Lucifer_arma> now I just need my big emerge to finish so I can play for awhile
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> whats the alias command for tell later?
05:06 <spidey> m
05:06 <spidey> ?
05:06 <spidey> #help m
05:06 <armabot> spidey: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "message $*".
05:06 <spidey> close enough
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> #list alias
05:06 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
05:06 <spidey> #help message
05:06 <armabot> spidey: (message <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "later tell $1 $2".
05:06 <spidey> yea
05:06 <spidey> it's m
05:08 <+Lucifer_arma> #message Your_mom_arma hi there
05:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> #message luke-jr_ i crashed your server by accident when messing with cycle_turn_speed_factor
05:08 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:08 <spidey> mmm
05:09 <spidey> i wonder if i can make that work on windows
05:09 <+Lucifer_arma> the only way that comes to mind is to use cygwin
05:09 <+Lucifer_arma> but that's a big hog to install just to have a random name changer
05:09 * spidey has cygwin
05:09 <+Lucifer_arma> well then, what I gave you should work almost unmodified :)
05:09 <spidey> i've already got it :)
05:09 <+Lucifer_arma> just pu the path to the armagetronad binary and you're fine
05:10 <+Lucifer_arma> cygwin path, that is
05:10 <spidey> actually
05:10 <+Lucifer_arma> /cygdrive/c/path/to/binary or something like that
05:10 <spidey> no
05:10 <spidey> i'd have to make a batch file for it
05:10 <spidey> and install python
05:10 <+Lucifer_arma> ummm, if you use cygwin to do it, you don't?
05:11 <Your_mom_arma> #message luke-jr_ sorry
05:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:11 <+Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm assuming you'd open a cygwin window to do it :)
05:11 <spidey> ya
05:11 * Lucifer_arma always has a terminal open, so he just takes it for granted there's one handy
05:11 <spidey> but i don't have python installed
05:11 <spidey> and
05:11 <spidey> the batch file is because i'm lazy
05:11 <+Lucifer_arma> cygwin's got python in it, easy to install
05:12 <spidey> put the batch file in C:\windows\system32
05:12 <spidey> name it something like
05:12 <spidey> arma
05:12 <spidey> open a terminal and type arma
05:12 <spidey> xD
05:12 * spidey is lazy
05:12 <spidey> terminal/command prompt
05:12 * spidey goes to reinstall opengl
05:13 <spidey> actually
05:13 <spidey> scratch that
05:13 <spidey> mepis beta 6 is done
05:13 <spidey> i'ma burn it and install it
05:14 <spidey> hahah
05:14 <spidey> i have hotwheels jets installed on my windows box
05:15 <spidey> slackware is gay
05:15 <spidey> you can install the first cd's packages
05:16 <spidey> from a dvd
05:16 <spidey> but when it wants the second cd,if you've got it on a dvd it won't read it
05:16 <Lizz> talking to urself arac?? :P
05:16 <spidey> ya
05:16 <Lizz> heh
05:17 <Lizz> wheres ur server gone?
05:17 <spidey> it won't be back till i format
05:17 <Lizz> kk
05:17 <spidey> or i could start it in the backgroun
05:17 <spidey> but i like running it over ssh from a terminal
05:17 <Lizz> if u say so lol
05:18 <spidey> mmmm
05:18 <Vanhayes> #wtf is ssh
05:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: SSH: secure shell
05:19 <Vanhayes> i see
05:19 <spidey> lol?
05:19 <Vanhayes> wasnt sure
05:19 <Lizz> hiya vanners
05:19 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Vanhayes
05:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
05:19 <spidey> lol
05:19 <+Lucifer_arma> I thought so
05:19 <Vanhayes> #wtf is Lucifer_arma
05:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lucifer_arma: nothing appropriate
05:19 <Vanhayes> #wtf is YOU
05:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: YOU: nothing appropriate
05:20 <spidey> #wtf is spidey
05:20 <armabot> spidey: spidey: nothing appropriate
05:20 <spidey> :/
05:20 <Vanhayes> #help wtf
05:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
05:20 <spidey> #wtf spidey
05:20 <armabot> spidey: spidey: nothing appropriate
05:20 <Vanhayes> hmm all the alias gone now?
05:20 <Lizz> makes sence
05:20 <Vanhayes> #list alias
05:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
05:21 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[/usr/local/bin]$ wtf vanhayes
05:21 <spidey> -su: wtf: command not found
05:21 <spidey> lol
05:21 <Vanhayes> hmm more generus than the last time
05:21 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia Vanhayes
05:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.35 seconds)
05:21 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia Van hayes
05:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.44 seconds: Karen Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Hayes>; Hayes Carll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Carll>; Samuel J. Tilden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J._Tilden>; Samuel J. Tilden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
05:22 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia Spidey
05:22 * Lizz slaps Vanhayes around a bit with a large trout
05:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.21 seconds: Spidey Super Stories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spidey_Super_Stories>; Spider-Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man>; Spider-Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiderman>; Spider-Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
05:22 <Lizz> o
05:22 <spidey> owned
05:22 <Lizz> sorry van :/ lol
05:22 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Lucifer_arma
05:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma: nothing appropriate
05:22 <Vanhayes> lol
05:22 <Lizz> was meant for the spider lol
05:22 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia Lucifer
05:22 <spidey> i'm special enough to get on wiki and Vanhayes isn't
05:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.29 seconds: Lucifer: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer>; Lucifer (DC Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_(DC_Comics)>; Lucifer's Hammer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer>; Saint Lucifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucifer>; (2 more messages)
05:23 <Lizz> saint lucifer?? lmao
05:23 * Lizz thinks luceee arse kissed to get a sainthood :P
05:25 * spidey slaps Lizz and goes to format
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05:25 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Lucifer_arma
05:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma: nothing appropriate
05:25 <+Lucifer_arma> how do I get it to update with the modified database? :(
05:26 <nemostultae> Random name update. this one resets to your normal name, so next time you start up arma normally you have your regular name: http://pastie.caboo.se/4412
05:27 <+Lucifer_arma> how do I get it to update with the modified database? :(
05:27 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Lucifer_arma
05:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
05:28 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Vanhayes
05:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
05:29 <Vanhayes> #wtf is Vanhayes
05:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
05:29 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf is Lucifer
05:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER: See Lucifer_arma
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> #wtf is Your_mom_arma
05:33 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Your_mom_arma: nothing appropriate
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06:03 <spidey> omg
06:03 <spidey> formatting from a dvd takes me way to long
06:04 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.15-25-386 (root@mepis-party) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 19 00:05:53 EDT 2006
06:04 <spidey> mepis with a ubuntu kernal O_o
06:07 <spidey> yay
06:14 <spidey> HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
06:14 <spidey> VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 # Very conservative. May flicker.
06:15 <spidey> LOL
06:15 * spidey gets a old monitor out of the cloest
06:15 <spidey> closet*
06:23 <Lizz> gay monitor?
06:24 <spidey> it says it might fry a old monitor
06:24 <spidey> so i'ma try it
06:24 <spidey> later
06:24 <spidey> editing my konsole thingy
06:29 <spidey> wrtl?
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06:39 <spidey> PS1="\[\]\u@fbi.gov\][\]\W\]\]]$\[\] " || PS1="\[\][\W]\u\[\] "
06:39 <spidey> that owns
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06:48 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: it'll be restarted within the hour
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> it auto restarted
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> just thought i'ld mention it to you
06:52 <Your_mom_arma> i'll try to be more carefull
06:52 <spidey_> don't use the cycle_walls_Stay_up_delay one either
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07:30 <spidey_> lucifer?
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07:31 <spidey> Error: Error in bool sr_InitDisplay() in ../../builds/b_0.3.0/B1/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/render/rScreen.cpp:738 :
07:31 <spidey> Sorry, played all my cards trying to initialize your video system.
07:31 <spidey> Armagetron Advanced won't run on your computer. Reason:
07:31 <spidey> Couldn't set video mode: OpenGL not available
07:31 <spidey> I'll try again from the beginning, but the chances of success are minimal.
07:31 <spidey> i get that when i try to use arma.sh
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07:31 <spidey> but if i select the icon from the kde menu it works fine
07:32 <spidey> actually
07:32 <spidey> if i even try to start it via terminal
07:32 <spidey> armagetronad does the same
07:35 <spidey> ok
07:35 <spidey> nvm
07:35 <spidey> that error was because i tried it as root
07:35 <spidey> but trying it as a user
07:36 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ armagetronad
07:36 <spidey> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
07:36 <spidey> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in ../../builds/b_0.3.0/B1/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:634 :
07:36 <spidey> Couldn't initialize SDL: Unable to open a console terminal
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07:42 <+Lucifer_arma> put your arma.sh file on a pastebin so I can see it.
07:42 <+Lucifer_arma> spidey: ^^^^^
07:44 <spidey> it's not that
07:44 <spidey> armagetronad does the same
07:44 <spidey> i can't use arma.sh if armagetronad doesn't work :)
07:45 <spidey> i can start it from the kde menu,but not from a terminal
07:56 <+Lucifer_arma> haha, I went into my server and called myself Cannibal (script)
07:57 <+Lucifer_arma> my team is still People Eaters, and the AI given to me on my team is also named Cannibal, so he got named Cannibal2
07:57 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: no i didn't
07:57 <+wrtlprnft> but it isn't a fps problem, it's a framerate problem :/
07:57 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i was right
07:57 <spidey> no
07:58 <spidey> it's a package you're missing
07:58 <spidey> i'm using 7.0
07:58 <spidey> now
07:58 <spidey> it came default
07:58 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ X -version
07:58 <spidey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
07:58 <spidey> Release Date: 21 December 2005
07:59 <+wrtlprnft> that's what i have
07:59 <spidey> me to
07:59 <spidey> my fps are normal again
07:59 <spidey> because that x server came default on the install
07:59 <spidey> go back and find out which packages where uninstalled
07:59 <spidey> then reinstall the ones that wheren't
08:00 <spidey> wheren't reinstalled*
08:00 <spidey> you're missing opengl
08:00 <spidey> i think
08:02 <+wrtlprnft> uh, the only thing it uninstalled was the old xorg
08:04 <+wrtlprnft> and my framerate didn't totally go down, there's still acceleration
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08:20 <+wrtlprnft> can we make it so logged-in people can
08:20 <+wrtlprnft> 't be dumped, kicked, swore at, etc?
08:20 <+wrtlprnft> oh, and they can't lose of course
08:21 <+wrtlprnft> *sworn (i guess)
08:21 <+wrtlprnft> and if anyone dies they get the points for the kill?
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08:46 <Your_mom_arma> whats my ping...
08:46 <Your_mom_arma> arma is barely responding
08:48 <Your_mom_arma> polling master server gives me a dns error
08:53 <+Lucifer_arma> anybody know how to setup apache to serve up svn repositories?
09:00 <spidey> um
09:00 <spidey> not i
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09:05 <anjori> what, spidey? you were just telling me how to do that yesterday
09:05 <spidey> lol
09:06 <spidey> anjori, you tried mepis beta 6?
09:06 <spidey> has ubuntu kernal so it now supports mepis,debian and ubuntu packages
09:06 <anjori> its RC3 now, but no. i'm going to wait for a final
09:06 * spidey likes it
09:06 <anjori> um, be careful with the debian packages. ubuntu and debian are not necessarily binary compatible
09:07 <spidey> i know,but it's in the default repositories,so i imagen it's compatible :)
09:07 <anjori> if it's got an ubuntu base, stick to those repos
09:07 <anjori> debian is? i doubt that.
09:07 <spidey> it is
09:07 <anjori> what repo?
09:07 <spidey> debian ubuntu and mepis repositories
09:08 <spidey> sec
09:09 <+Lucifer_arma> mepis rc2 trashed my hard drive
09:09 * Lucifer_arma whines some more
09:09 <spidey> i read something
09:09 <spidey> hold on looking for the .deb packages
09:10 <anjori> not packages. open synaptic and go to the repos listing under settings.
09:11 <anjori> or type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in the console
09:12 <spidey> mmm
09:12 <spidey> i think i fucked up my /etc/profile
09:12 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]
09:12 <spidey> $
09:12 <spidey> that;s hiw ut displays
09:12 <spidey> lol
09:12 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]
09:12 <spidey> $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
09:12 <spidey> # See sources.list(5) for more information
09:12 <spidey> # This file should be edited through synaptic
09:12 <spidey> # MEPIS improvements, overrides and updates--the MEPIS magic
09:12 <spidey> deb http://apt.mepis.org/6.0/ mepis main
09:12 <spidey> # Ubuntu foundation packages
09:12 <spidey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted
09:12 <spidey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
09:12 <spidey> # Security updates
09:12 <spidey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted
09:13 <spidey> # Package updates
09:13 <armabot> spidey: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
09:13 <spidey> bah
09:13 <spidey> besides that,in 3.4.3 there's a debian repository i think
09:13 <spidey> a few actually
09:13 <spidey> i remember seeing them
09:16 <anjori> in 3.4-3 there is, yes. because that version has a debian base.
09:16 <spidey> and anjori,it's got a ubuntu kernel....all packages should be compatible
09:16 <spidey> mepis and ubuntu are debian based distros.....
09:16 <anjori> yes, but that doesnt make them compatible
09:17 <spidey> i used to install debian packages when i ran ubuntu
09:17 <spidey> worked fine
09:17 <anjori> it can be done. but it's generally not the best idea and you should stick to ubuntu-specific packages
09:17 <spidey> should but don't
09:18 <spidey> this is a test box,if it messes it up...oh well i know not to do it again and move to the next distro
09:18 <spidey> i've done slackware(failure),mepis,ubuntu,mandrivia and one more i can't remember
09:19 <anjori> i'm looking at kubuntu right now, but it annoys me that they don't have build tools installed by default. and i can't even install the bloody armagetron autopackage because it says i'm missing the sdl dev package. thing is, there's none left to install
09:20 <spidey> ?
09:20 <+Lucifer_arma> where the hell is htpasswd?
09:20 <spidey> locate htpasswd ?
09:20 <+Lucifer_arma> no locate :)
09:20 <spidey> find htpasswd ?
09:22 <spidey> mmmm
09:22 <spidey> weird
09:22 <+Lucifer_arma> what package is locate in?
09:22 <spidey> erm
09:22 <spidey> sec
09:23 <spidey> it's in find
09:23 <spidey> i think
09:23 <spidey> what distro?
09:23 <+Lucifer_arma> gentoo
09:23 <spidey> ah
09:24 <spidey> it's in find in slackware
09:24 <spidey> sec
09:24 <+Lucifer_arma> probably same place
09:24 <+Lucifer_arma> most distributions don't split packages up as much as you might think
09:24 * Lucifer_arma has emerge --sync running right now
09:24 <spidey> it's not find in mepis :p
09:24 <spidey> i checked :/
09:26 <anjori> findutils
09:26 <anjori> in debian
09:26 <spidey> it's gentoo
09:27 <+Lucifer_arma> findutils-4.1.20-r2 ?
09:27 <+Lucifer_arma> oes that look about right?
09:27 <spidey> probably
09:27 <anjori> i have 4.2.27
09:27 <+Lucifer_arma> what? gentoo has an older version than anjori ?!?
09:27 <+Lucifer_arma> anyway, emerging :)
09:27 <spidey> i have 4.2.27 as well
09:27 <anjori> than debian testing, apparently
09:27 <spidey> but mine's for ubuntu
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I'm running the stuff marked stable, because it's the server
09:28 <anjori> ah
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> you know. servers dont' run unstable software....
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> haha
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> slocate
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> * Please note that the locate and updatedb binaries
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> * are not longer provided by findutils.
09:28 <+Lucifer_arma> * Please emerge slocate
09:29 <anjori> heh
09:29 <spidey> i'm guessing emerge is debians apt-get ?
09:29 <+Lucifer_arma> no, debian's apt-get is apt-get :)
09:29 <spidey> gentoos emerge is debians apt-get*
09:29 <+Lucifer_arma> your guess is right, though, except emerge gets the source and builds it. It can use binary packages, but apparently nobody provides any
09:30 <spidey> heh
09:30 <spidey> apt-get install
09:30 <spidey> :p
09:30 <anjori> ah, slocate is in my repo, too, as "Secure replacement of findutil's locate". not installed, though
09:31 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, who says apt-get can't do the same??? apt-get build-dep
09:31 <anjori> i think the difference now is that it can index all files, but only displays those the invoking user has access too
09:31 <+Lucifer_arma> I didn't say it couldn't, or I didn't mean to.
09:31 <+Lucifer_arma> see, they all do the same stuff these days
09:32 <+Lucifer_arma> the difference is in their default usage, and emerge's is to build from source, where apt-get's is to get binary packages
09:32 <spidey> actually
09:32 <spidey> apt-get build-dep
09:32 <spidey> builds dependencies
09:32 <+Lucifer_arma> near as I can tell, that's the only thing left that differentiates build from source distributions and binary distributions
09:32 <spidey> apt-get source downloads and builds it
09:32 <anjori> does it actually do the building? i thought it only downloaded the deb source packages?
09:33 <+Lucifer_arma> well, emerge has a number of flags to change its behavior too. :) default is to download and build dependencies, then the package
09:33 <anjori> i've never bothered with it, so i dont know
09:33 <spidey> Usage: apt-get [options] command
09:33 <spidey> apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
09:33 <spidey> apt-get [options] source pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
09:34 <spidey> i'm guessing you could do
09:34 <spidey> apt-get build-dep source packages1-2-soon
09:34 <spidey> so-on
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09:35 <anjori> ah, if you pass it the --compile flag, it'll build it. but it tracks source packages differently than binary
09:35 <spidey> --compile?
09:35 <spidey> where'd you get that?
09:35 <+Lucifer_arma> well, part of binary packages is discovering dependencies. :) rpm at least runs ldd on the binary to see what it's linked against and marks those as dependencies
09:35 <anjori> apt-get's man page
09:36 <spidey> er
09:36 <spidey> mine doesn't have that
09:36 <spidey> i must have the ubuntu apt-get
09:36 <spidey> :/
09:36 <+Lucifer_arma> that's something that annoyed the living piss out of me about kubuntu: no man pages!
09:36 <anjori> "build-dep build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package."
09:37 <anjori> no?! surely they must provide a package that you can install them, at least?
09:37 <spidey> ?
09:38 <anjori> "them" being man pages.
09:38 <spidey> oh
09:38 <spidey> ubuntu had man pages for me
09:38 <spidey> maybe kubuntu is a bit different?
09:38 <spidey> unless you did apt-get install kubuntu
09:38 <anjori> it's the same base. probably just not as complete as they should be
09:38 <spidey> ya
09:39 <spidey> when i got ubuntu i put kde on it
09:39 <spidey> never downloaded the port with kde already installed
09:39 <spidey> i also used breezy
09:39 <spidey> not dapper
09:39 <spidey> "breezy-badger"
09:39 <anjori> well, that'll cause me to reexamine whether i want to use kubuntu now, then.
09:40 <spidey> anjori, just do apt-get install kubuntu
09:40 <spidey> if you want kde
09:40 <anjori> i know.
09:40 <anjori> and actually, i belive it's kubuntu-desktop ;)
09:41 <spidey> been awhile since i used to,so probably
09:41 <spidey> apt-cache search kubuntu
09:41 <anjori> i already have kubuntu CDs i got in the mail, then
09:41 <anjori> *though
09:41 <spidey> mm
09:42 <spidey> there's updates ready O_o
09:42 <spidey> mepis beta 6 is useful like ubuntu
09:42 <spidey> it has a icon that tells you when upgrades are available
09:43 <spidey> hey anjori did you change the way your teminal looks
09:43 <anjori> yeah. you can install that on debian and earlier versions of mepis, too. just uses Adept
09:43 <spidey> like username@1[~0# ?
09:43 <spidey> like username@1[~]# ?
09:43 <anjori> nah, too lazy
09:43 <spidey> not hard
09:43 <spidey> know how to do it?
09:44 <anjori> yeah
09:44 <spidey> [ -n "$TTY" ] && PS1="\[\]\u@fbi.gov\][\]\W\]\]]\\$\[\] " || PS1="\[\][\W]\u\[\] "
09:44 <spidey> that's mine
09:44 <spidey> it looks cool ;x
09:45 * anjori owns the "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and O'Reilly's "Learning the bash Shell". i've read all about it :)
09:45 <spidey> yea
09:45 <spidey> but it also says you edit bashrc
09:45 <spidey> but if you do that it doesn't make the shell different
09:45 <spidey> you edit /etc/profile
09:46 <anjori> there's an order to them. some of the files are only read on a login shell
09:46 <anjori> i forget which file does which, but that's why you tell one to source the other
09:47 <spidey> they do source each other
09:47 <spidey> i checked most of them
09:47 <spidey> ~/bashrc
09:47 <spidey> /etc/bashrc
09:47 <+Lucifer_arma> if it's not a login shell, it's either vanilla bash or it inherits the shell above it, one of the two
09:48 <spidey> lets see
09:48 <spidey> ok
09:48 <+Lucifer_arma> wtf! It's emerging apache 1.3!
09:48 <spidey> they're spread out
09:48 <spidey> bashrc has the alias's
09:49 <spidey> bash.bashrc has the includes
09:49 <spidey> and profile has the shells look
09:50 <anjori> ah, there we go. .bash_profile is read by the login shell. if you start a subshell, it reads from .bashrc
09:51 <spidey> subshell?
09:51 <spidey> um
09:52 <spidey> all ~/.bash_profile is,is a include
09:52 <spidey> . ~/.bashrc
09:52 <spidey> is what it includes
09:53 <spidey> and for me ~/.bashrc doesn't exsist xD
09:53 <+Lucifer_arma> what's the ssl port?
09:53 <+Lucifer_arma> 443?
09:53 <spidey> ya i think
09:53 <spidey> wait
09:53 <spidey> 6697 ?
09:53 <spidey> or no,that's the irc's ssl port
09:53 <spidey> erm
09:53 <anjori> yeah, if you run the same commands regardless and don't need anything special on startup, you can just source the other.
09:53 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf ssl
09:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: SSL: secure sockets layer
09:54 <anjori> 443
09:54 <anjori> says google
09:54 <spidey> apache right?
09:55 <spidey> ya 443
09:56 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, connection refused
09:56 <+Lucifer_arma> I thought I just enabled ssl
09:56 <+Lucifer_arma> oh wait
09:56 <spidey> you trying from your domain?
09:58 <+Lucifer_arma> this sucks
09:58 <spidey> ?
09:58 <+Lucifer_arma> I did a pretend unemerge on apache to see what it would do, and it said it would only remove apache 1.3
09:58 <+Lucifer_arma> so I ran a for real unemerge, and it took out apache2
09:58 <+Lucifer_arma> spidey: yeah, I'm trying to setup a svn repo on my machine
09:58 <spidey> O_o
09:59 <+Lucifer_arma> I hate it when software lies to me
09:59 <+Lucifer_arma> only sci-fi authors think computers don't lie
09:59 <spidey> LOL
09:59 <anjori> shitty deal
09:59 <+Lucifer_arma> so now my webserver's probably broke until apache finished emerging
10:00 <+Lucifer_arma> *finishes
10:00 <anjori> i think i've had apt do the same to me before
10:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, here ya go http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2002/12/19/svn2.html
10:01 <anjori> and then you actually make the changes, and BOOM!
10:01 <+Lucifer_arma> they should either drop apache 1.3 support, or call it apache-old or something
10:01 <spidey> that tells how to get apache to serv svn
10:01 <+Lucifer_arma> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.serverconfig.httpd.html <--- working from the subversion manual
10:05 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm more than a little irritated I'm having to rebuild apache
10:08 <spidey> heh
10:12 <anjori> eek. i upgraded openoffice, but not the kde integration package because it requires a bunch of new kde libs, and now it looks awful
10:12 <spidey> lol
10:13 <spidey> i don't really use synaptic
10:13 <spidey> to lazy to type the root password
10:14 <spidey> i always have a user terminal and a root terminal open
10:14 <spidey> so i use apt-get and apt-cache
10:14 <anjori> at least use aptitude, in that case. better dependancy tracking.
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10:15 <Lizz> hiya aaaaaanj
10:17 <anjori> hi
10:17 <Lizz> :)
10:17 <Lizz> did u get the messages i left u?
10:19 <anjori> yes
10:19 <Lizz> k
10:20 <Lizz> how do i PM in here?
10:20 * anjori is watching someone trying to guide a newbie through setting up xorg in fedora.
10:20 <anjori> how frustrated people must have been with me when i first started. and still from time to time :)
10:20 <anjori> /msg nick message
10:22 <spidey> ??
10:22 <spidey> xorgconfig in terminal
10:22 <spidey> it's step by step from there
10:22 <anjori> nah, but they're having errors and missing things
10:22 <spidey> O_o
10:22 <spidey> that's why i like apt-get
10:22 <spidey> it installs dependencies
10:23 <anjori> yes. i loathe rpm-based distros
10:23 <spidey> heh
10:23 <anjori> i think the first one i ever tried way back when was red hat. and what a nightmare.
10:23 <spidey> i never tried it
10:23 <spidey> only rpm based one i tried was mandrivia
10:25 <anjori> ive played with a number of them, but always found myself coming back to the debian way. though i havent really touched anything on that side in awhile now.
10:25 <anjori> mandriva just annoyed the shit out of me
10:25 <anjori> though i didn't know shit myself back then, so maybe that was part of it
10:25 <spidey> haha
10:25 <spidey> tried slackware?
10:26 <anjori> i played around with the SLAMPP live cd one night.
10:26 <anjori> so, no, not really :P
10:26 <spidey> heh
10:32 -!- spidey is now known as noob
10:33 <noob> * You are now known as noob
10:33 <noob> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
10:33 <noob> lol
10:35 -!- noob is now known as spidey
10:35 <guru3> i think my server needs another gb of ram
10:35 <spidey> O_o
10:36 <Lizz> grrrrrrrrrrr why dont my PM work
10:36 <spidey> it does
10:36 * spidey slaps Lizz
10:36 <Lizz> but i cant start one
10:36 <spidey> <spidey> noooooooooob
10:36 <spidey> <Lizz> it worked?
10:36 <spidey> <spidey> no
10:36 <spidey> <spidey> you're seeing things
10:36 <spidey> <Lizz> fkn think
10:36 <spidey> <spidey> lol
10:36 <guru3> freenode doesn't allow unauthed pms
10:36 <spidey> i'm authed
10:36 <spidey> she's authed
10:36 <Lizz> but im registered
10:37 <spidey> i told you
10:37 <spidey> you have to wait for them to respond
10:37 <Lizz> ok
10:37 <+Lucifer_arma> you're probably typing /msg spider
10:37 <spidey> it doesn't show another window untill then
10:37 <spidey> she's not trying to pm me :p
10:37 <spidey> the person she's pming just hasn't responded yet
10:37 <Lizz> meh
10:37 <Lizz> <~~~~~ dork
10:38 <spidey> um
10:38 <spidey> try this
10:38 <spidey> /q person
10:38 <Lizz> is ok.. it works now
10:38 <spidey> it should open it in a new window
10:39 <+Lucifer_arma> can't be me
10:39 <Lizz> ya ya that works too thx arac
10:39 <Lizz> u wouldnt accept my PMs anyway looceee
10:39 <Lizz> :P
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> sure the person you're pming is authed?
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> I do have a tendency to direct such traffic to the channel
10:40 <Lizz> is ok works now ty gentlemen :)
10:40 <spidey> LOL
10:40 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think she's talking to him. She said "gentlemen".
10:40 <spidey> >Lucifer_arma< i wub joo!
10:40 <spidey> xD
10:40 <Lizz> ur all very sweet in here tho :)
10:40 <+Lucifer_arma> >animation of lucifer closing the tab without reading it<
10:41 <spidey> lmao
10:41 <+Lucifer_arma> I give up on svn server tonight
10:41 <+Lucifer_arma> guru3: hey, can you do the dns deed with the wiki?
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> the message on the wiki says we're waiting on me, and that's not entirely accurate anymore...
10:42 <guru3> ah where does it need to go?
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> wiki.davefancella.com
10:42 <guru3> yeah sorry i was probably a little mean with that message
10:42 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, not terribly :)
10:43 <guru3> dns updating
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks. :)
10:43 <guru3> np
10:43 <Lizz> heh i should send dirty Pms to ev1 now that i kno how lmao
10:43 <spidey> O_o
10:43 <+Lucifer_arma> /ignore Lizz
10:43 <spidey> lol
10:44 * Lizz slaps looceeee
10:44 * Lucifer_arma whistles
10:44 <+Lucifer_arma> this svn server thing is going to bother me
10:44 * Lizz pokes looocee in the ribs
10:45 <+Lucifer_arma> yay, wiki move complete
10:45 <anjori> it's not complete until the dns points me there :)
10:46 <+Lucifer_arma> ahh, well, it's pointing me there
10:46 <+Lucifer_arma> hold shift when you press refresh
10:46 <anjori> ah, didnt realize it was cached. i have the cache size set really low
10:47 <spidey> works for me
10:47 <+Lucifer_arma> so your lady doesn't find your porno browsing?
10:47 <anjori> is it just forwarding? there's no way in hell dns would propogate that quickly
10:47 <spidey> sure there is
10:47 <spidey> no-ip.org does it
10:47 <Lizz> lolol
10:47 <anjori> no-ip is just forwarding
10:47 <spidey> not when i use the dns ribon
10:47 <spidey> :)
10:48 <spidey> an no
10:48 <spidey> it's not
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> well, ummm
10:48 <Lizz> brb gotta check me roast pork
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't think dns propogation works quite that way
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> see, you give nameservers that server your domain, it's the domain that has to propogate
10:48 <+Lucifer_arma> armagetronad.net propogated a long time ago
10:49 <+Lucifer_arma> wiki is just a host in that domain, and no-ip's nameservers serve it, so you just had to wait for their servers to update
10:49 <+Lucifer_arma> quick line for monologue
10:50 <anjori> i see.
10:50 <anjori> oh, and if i had a lady, what would i need porno browsing for? :P
10:50 <Lizz> foreplay :P
10:50 <Lizz> brb
10:51 <spidey> maybe she was sleeping
10:51 <anjori> there's just not much of a point to caching things when i'm on broadband. i prefer to see the newest content, anyway
10:51 <spidey> or at work
10:51 * Lucifer_arma recalls what he said earlier about the best hand jobs
10:52 <anjori> i must have missed that
10:52 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, play more arma and you won't miss such important things
10:52 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with give myself best hand jobs
10:52 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
10:52 <spidey> ???
10:52 <+Lucifer_arma> said it ingame, spidey
10:52 <spidey> oh
10:53 <anjori> oh, jesus. like i really need to play even more than i already do
10:53 <+Lucifer_arma> I won't play for any team that uses annoying animated gifs for banners
10:53 <spidey> hahahaha
10:54 * Lucifer_arma notices no Republic of Texas for the international tron competition
10:54 <anjori> hah
10:54 * anjori sees another civil war brewing
10:55 <spidey> btw
10:55 <spidey> when is the next spoon matches?
10:55 <anjori> the spoon's over, dude
10:55 <anjori> long ago
10:55 <+Lucifer_arma> can I invoke italian ancestry and play for Italy?
10:56 <spidey> 2 matches played over five weeks with most rounds being won by default. The prestigious Tronic Spoon trophy is still to be decided... between MBC, AW and ??.
10:56 <anjori> oh, i see. well, that was a huge flop, then.
10:57 <spidey> hey lucifer
10:57 <+Lucifer_arma> what spidey
10:57 <spidey> will you play for teams using annoying .jpg's ?
10:57 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, the real reason I don't want to sign up as an american is because the US team is full of annoying people
10:58 <spidey> that's why i asked van if i could play for canada :p
10:58 <+Lucifer_arma> There's Manta, but that's just gold plating on what's otherwise turd
10:58 <spidey> LOL
10:59 <+Lucifer_arma> let's start a "States in Rebellion" team
10:59 <+Lucifer_arma> better yet, Confederate States of America :)
10:59 <spidey> surte
10:59 <spidey> sure
10:59 <spidey> :D
10:59 <spidey> i'd be for it, haha
11:00 <+Lucifer_arma> we could join Australia's team so they'll have some low pingers, heh
11:00 <spidey> um
11:00 <+Lucifer_arma> ack, I'm wasting my time. Chances are I won't show up to the match anyway
11:00 <spidey> australia isn't in there
11:00 <spidey> it's austria :p
11:01 <+Lucifer_arma> Luna Free State
11:01 <spidey> ?
11:01 * Lucifer_arma wonders if there are any crackpots that have declared themselves the government-in-exile for the moon
11:02 <anjori> form a rebel team and ill join ya
11:02 <+Lucifer_arma> confederate?
11:02 <+Lucifer_arma> or just rebel in general?
11:02 <spidey> Rebellious States Of The World
11:02 <spidey> mwhahahah
11:02 <+Lucifer_arma> we'll probably get kicked out, you know. ;)
11:03 <spidey> we could claim a portion of antartica as it
11:03 <spidey> setup a base manned by 3 people xD
11:04 <+Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup#Rebellious_States_of_the_World
11:04 <spidey> haha
11:04 * spidey puts his name down
11:04 <anjori> oh dear
11:04 <spidey> i have to login :/
11:04 <+Lucifer_arma> try it, it let me login
11:05 <spidey> i aint signed up :p
11:05 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
11:05 <spidey> sec.i will
11:05 <+Lucifer_arma> I'll dd you
11:05 <anjori> tell me when youre done. i dont want to erase your edit
11:05 <+Lucifer_arma> you want to be added as BlAzE?
11:05 <spidey> ya
11:05 <anjori> blaze?
11:05 <spidey> ;)
11:05 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, done
11:06 <+Lucifer_arma> spidey changed his name and told everyone he quit playing
11:06 <anjori> i see
11:06 <anjori> wow, i'm out of the loop
11:06 <spidey> Login successful
11:06 <spidey> From Armagetron Advanced Wiki
11:06 <spidey> Welcome, BlAzE!
11:06 <spidey> the most convincing part is
11:06 <spidey> when i had sky come in as spidey |mbc| while i was in there as BlAzE
11:07 <spidey> :>
11:07 <+Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you leaked it when you called your server ~Spidey~ and radmined it as BlAzE
11:07 <spidey> ya,i noticed
11:07 <spidey> that's why i said i fucked up and needed a tag for them
11:07 <spidey> lol
11:07 <+Lucifer_arma> well, in a little while I"m going to be completely anonymous
11:08 <spidey> O_o
11:08 <+Lucifer_arma> after I get enough names added to my name picker file, that is
11:08 <spidey> mmm
11:08 <+Lucifer_arma> you'll probably recognize some of them. It is kinda neat not knowing before I join a server what my name or color are
11:08 <spidey> heh
11:08 <spidey> btw
11:09 <spidey> i can't use that script in any form
11:09 <spidey> because of this
11:09 <spidey> well WTF
11:09 <spidey> it works from terminal now
11:09 * spidey continues with the script
11:09 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
11:10 * Lucifer_arma is going to bed, 'night
11:10 <spidey> cya
11:10 <anjori> g'night
11:11 <anjori> so are we the R.S. of W now? :P
11:11 <spidey> haha
11:11 <spidey> ya xD
11:11 <spidey> (R.S.F)
11:11 <spidey> O_o
11:11 <spidey> no
11:11 <spidey> (R.S.W)
11:11 <anjori> F?
11:11 <anjori> heh
11:14 <spidey> Through the interoperability Microsoft and Yahoo! have increased their market share in instant messaging to an estimated (combined) 350 million users.
11:14 <spidey> great msn just gained a group of retards
11:14 <anjori> have they finally combined them?
11:14 <spidey> Having seen a live demo for the interoperability on Tuesday I can assure you that the support is nearly flawless. Extras such as emoticons, and even Personal Messages are supported by both clients and there is no noticeable delay when sending messages between Windows Live Messenger and Yahoo! Messenger users. The only thing that does not seem to work perfectly yet are Sharing Folders.
11:14 <spidey> i guess so
11:15 <anjori> i wonder when aol and google will do the same
11:15 <spidey> i hope they don't
11:15 <anjori> they are
11:15 * spidey will switch to ask.com
11:15 <anjori> for instant messaging
11:15 <spidey> oh
11:15 <spidey> i don't use it
11:15 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-197-213.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
11:15 <spidey> so i dun care
11:15 <spidey> hi
11:15 <anjori> aim and google talk
11:15 <spidey> ya
11:15 <spidey> i don't use either
11:16 <madmax|pt> hello
11:16 <anjori> and if done right, that would also open aim up to any other jabber server
11:16 <anjori> hey mad
11:18 <spidey> lucifer?
11:18 <+Lucifer_arma> arg
11:18 <+Lucifer_arma> what?
11:18 <spidey> lol
11:18 <spidey> we should combine words lists
11:18 <spidey> :D
11:18 <+Lucifer_arma> quick, I just came in for a sec, going to bed...
11:18 * spidey is making a big one
11:18 <+Lucifer_arma> actually, I was just thinking about that :)
11:19 <+Lucifer_arma> the only way it can be truly anonymous is if several people use the same lists
11:19 <spidey> ys
11:19 <spidey> ya'
11:19 <+Lucifer_arma> need some instant chats, too, so people can pick us out on INCOMING and crap like that
11:19 <spidey> mmm
11:20 <+Lucifer_arma> *can't
11:20 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
11:20 <+Lucifer_arma> it's amazing how two missed characters change the meaning of the whole sentence
11:20 <spidey> haha
11:21 <anjori> when one of you has a chance, show me what the hell youre doing. maybe i'll jump on board
11:21 <+Lucifer_arma> we'll deal with it tomorrow. :) 'night
11:21 <spidey> cya
11:23 <spidey> hehe
11:23 <spidey> nemo made a script awhile back that picks a random name out of a list of words
11:24 <spidey> and inserts it in tron
11:24 <madmax|pt> advanced smurfing techniques?
11:25 <spidey> ???
11:25 <madmax|pt> lol
11:25 <madmax|pt> dont you people call "smurfs"?
11:26 <madmax|pt> to people playing with diff nicks?
11:26 <spidey> there's 2 kinds of smurfs
11:26 <spidey> those little blue and white guys
11:26 <spidey> and DDoS via icmp attacks
11:26 <spidey> only two smurfs i know of
11:26 * Lizz thinks shes in the wrong room
11:26 <madmax|pt> o_O
11:27 <Lizz> we need a play room
11:27 <Lizz> lol
11:28 <spidey> /included/Lucifer/Playroom
11:28 <Lizz> lmao
11:28 <Lizz> no one would goto the playroom anyway.. ur all techies :P
11:30 <madmax|pt> playroom?
11:30 <madmax|pt> what? when?
11:31 <Lizz> where?
11:31 <madmax|pt> there is no room, so no point on asking where :P
11:31 <Lizz> heh.. made u type a response tho :P
11:31 <madmax|pt> lol
11:32 * Lizz plays
11:32 <madmax|pt> what? where?
11:32 * Lizz throws rat poison at spider
11:32 <Lizz> her .. now :p
11:32 <Lizz> here*
11:33 <madmax|pt> i think the spider died
11:33 <Lizz> was the poison :D
11:34 <Lizz> nvm he has hairy legs anyway lol
11:34 * Lizz cleans the cobwebs away
11:35 * Lizz runs off to tron to annoy ppl with private messages
11:36 <madmax|pt> You don't usually play fortress right Lizz ?
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11:41 <spidey> ?
11:41 <Wolv> umm not always max.. but i do yes
11:41 <Wolv> oh
11:41 <Wolv> weird
11:41 <Wolv> :/
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11:42 <Wolv> erm
11:43 <Wolv> ummm
11:43 <Wolv> spider?
11:43 <spidey> ?
11:43 <Wolv> how do i get rid of both of me? O.O
11:44 <spidey> lizz = timed out
11:44 <spidey> actually
11:44 <Wolv> i kno my net dropped ot
11:44 <spidey> type /msg nickserv ghost lizz password
11:45 <spidey> password = whatever your pass is
11:45 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-28.bpb.bigpond.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
11:45 <Wolv> :)
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11:45 <spidey> now /nick lizz
11:45 <spidey> :/
11:45 <madmax|pt> thats the easy part
11:45 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-61.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
11:45 <spidey> lol...
11:45 <Lizz> much better
11:45 <spidey> all you gotta do is /nick Lizz
11:45 <spidey> :p
11:45 -!- spidey is now known as noob
11:45 <noob> ;D
11:46 <Lizz> then there wold be 2 of me... u think ud handle that?? lol
11:46 <noob> no
11:46 <noob> /nick changes your name
11:46 * Lizz slaps noob around a bit with a large trout
11:46 <Lizz> ok .. back to annoying ppl :D
11:46 * noob slaps Lizz around a bit with a large cow
11:46 <Lizz> mooooooooooos
11:52 <noob> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with pastebin-
11:52 <armabot> noob: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 4226 messages.
11:52 <noob> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http://paste
11:52 <armabot> noob: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 4228 messages.
11:52 <noob> !?!?!?!
11:52 <noob> wrtlprnft, you there?
11:52 <noob> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http://paste*
11:52 <armabot> noob: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 4234 messages.
11:52 <noob> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http://p
11:52 <armabot> noob: [22:01:06] <Lucifer_arma> http://pastie.caboo.se/4409 <--- use this for the python program, it doesn't require editing
11:53 <noob> thanks!
11:53 <Lizz> ?
11:53 <Lizz> spider
11:54 <noob> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http://pastie.caboo.se/4407
11:54 <armabot> noob: [21:55:14] <Lucifer_arma> http://pastie.caboo.se/4407 <--- here's with my change
11:54 <noob> ya?
11:54 <Lizz> come play ur server wit me
11:54 <madmax|pt> lol, it randomizes the color too?
11:54 <noob> ya
11:54 <noob> i will in a sec
11:55 <Lizz> mite goto fort and pretend to be a new chick lol
11:56 <Lizz> ill be in fort arac :) come get me when ya done
11:56 <noob> heh
12:04 <+wrtlprnft> noob: now i am
12:04 <noob> nvm
12:04 <noob> i got it
12:04 <noob> couldn't get armabot to show the logs i wanted
12:09 <noob> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ sh tron.py
12:09 <noob> /usr/bin/tron.py: line 3: /usr/bin/namepicker.py: Permission denied
12:09 <noob> O_o
12:09 <noob> wtf that mean
12:16 <noob> weird
12:16 <noob> i got it all to work without erroring in terminal
12:16 <noob> but it still doesn't work
12:16 <noob> O_o
12:17 <guru3> ahh
12:17 <guru3> ssh is a blessing
12:18 <noob> ya
12:18 <noob> i love it
12:18 <guru3> but to be able to ssh to something that only has a touch screen
12:18 <guru3> omg it's the best
12:18 <noob> haha
12:20 <guru3> playing with my 770 x)
12:24 <noob> YES
12:24 <noob> i got it to work!!!
12:24 <noob> i had to change a few things
12:25 <noob> word="`python /usr/bin/namepicker.py`" for one cause word="`namepicker.py`" gave me permission denied
12:26 -!- anjori is now known as anjori|tron
12:26 <madmax|pt> btw Lizz, it's me
12:27 <Lizz> :O
12:27 <Lizz> ur m n m?
12:27 <madmax|pt> yes...
12:27 <Lizz> lmfao
12:27 <madmax|pt> lol
12:27 <madmax|pt> but shhh
12:27 <Lizz> ok nps will keep it zipped lolol
12:28 * Lizz slaps max for killing her
12:28 <noob> this rocks :D
12:28 <madmax|pt> its funny all those names they tried
12:28 <Lizz> thought u were zop lol
12:28 <noob> #last --from nemo* --with http://p
12:28 <armabot> noob: [22:27:03] <nemostultae> Random name update. this one resets to your normal name, so next time you start up arma normally you have your regular name: http://pastie.caboo.se/4412
12:28 <madmax|pt> please, nooooo
12:29 <Lizz> brb need a smoke
12:29 <madmax|pt> zop quad binds
12:29 <madmax|pt> lol
12:30 <noob> huh?
12:30 <noob> how the hell you quadbind on 5 rubber
12:30 <noob> i can barely triple
12:30 <noob> actually
12:30 <noob> i don't triple
12:30 <noob> i just press the keys fast enough to look like a triple
12:32 <Lizz> i cant dbl bind in there anyway lol
12:32 <Lizz> bloody ping
12:32 <Lizz> need an aussie fort
12:32 <Lizz> as if *rolls her eyes*
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12:33 <Lizz> hiya mazzzzzzzzzzzzz
12:34 <anjori|tron> wild fortress > bigfarm
12:34 <Lizz> ?
12:34 <anjori|tron> *bugfarm
12:35 <Lizz> k
12:36 <madmax|pt> nooo
12:37 <+wrtlprnft> Lizz: there's someone who has a server in japan...
12:37 <+wrtlprnft> that should be bearable, i hope
12:39 <madmax|pt> aussie = ?
12:39 <noob> australia
12:39 <+wrtlprnft> that upside down continent with kangaroos jk
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12:41 <madmax|pt> lol
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13:01 <Lizz> omg so many wr's in fort servers now >.<
13:01 <Lizz> japan still hold a 300 ping for me
13:01 <Lizz> holds*
13:02 <Lizz> need something more sth of the equator :P
13:04 <noob> mm
13:04 * noob looks for australia shells
13:05 <Lizz> :)
13:05 <Lizz> but no americans would play.. they couldnt handle a 300 ping lmao.. not good enuff :P
13:06 <Lizz> they just piss and moan about lag and ping all the time heh
13:06 <noob> um
13:06 <noob> we're on cable
13:06 <noob> you're on adsl
13:06 <noob> or w/e
13:06 <noob> isdn
13:06 <Lizz> still
13:06 <noob> so
13:06 <noob> our pings would be better than 300
13:06 <noob> :p
13:07 <Lizz> i played a AU server.. u shoulda seen the whining lol was pathetic
13:07 <noob> it'd be about the same as the bugfarm server
13:07 <noob> but was the AU server hosted on highspeed (over 10mbit) or on a residental conenction? :)
13:07 <Lizz> dont worry bout it.. they wouldnt play it anyway.. no balls ;-)
13:07 <noob> there's a difference
13:08 <Lizz> brb caaaaaaaaake
13:09 <anjori|tron> la la la la la
13:10 * Lizz throws devils food cake at aaaaaaaaaaaanj
13:10 <anjori|tron> where's my icing, bitch?!
13:10 <Lizz> on the cake ass
13:10 <anjori|tron> heh. every single time, fonkay gets killed a few times, gets annoyed, and leaves.
13:11 <Lizz> of course
13:11 * Lizz bites her tongue
13:11 <anjori|tron> indeed
13:11 -!- anjori|tron is now known as anjori
13:12 <Lizz> maaaaan i shoulda just tked those idiots :D
13:12 <anjori> though you do the same!
13:13 <noob> how much is 1.50 euros ?
13:13 <anjori> and then i play all by my lonesome.
13:13 <noob> \in USD
13:13 <anjori> go look it up, you lazy ass
13:13 <Lizz> sorry anj.. they were annoying me.. >.<
13:13 <noob> one to talk beotch
13:13 <anjori> finance.yahoo.com
13:14 * anjori is always looking shit up
13:14 <anjori> i was going to go look for you, but i realized you could do it just as easily
13:14 * Lizz knows that anj needs a life
13:14 <anjori> and a lay
13:14 * Lizz nods
13:14 <anjori> s potato chip
13:14 <Lizz> uve needed that since the day i first met u :P
13:15 <anjori> shush
13:15 <Lizz> heh
13:15 <Lizz> what u buying spider?
13:15 <anjori> a Real Doll
13:16 <Lizz> as opposed to blowup?
13:16 <anjori> http://realdoll.com/
13:17 <Lizz> i wonder where they got my pic? meh
13:18 <anjori> you're The World's Finest Love Doll(tm)?
13:19 <anjori> i'm going to finish my smoke, then you should come back to tron with me
13:19 <Lizz> maybe.... what u gonna give me if i do?
13:22 * Lizz has a headache
13:22 <Lizz> :(
13:23 * noob owns Lizz
13:24 * Lizz dosent care
13:24 * [Xpert]DarkStar ownz u all
13:25 <Lizz> how much u pay for us?
13:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> too much
13:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should probably sell some
13:26 * noob owns [Xpert]DarkStar
13:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrong noob I pwn U
13:26 <Lizz> meh.. more fool u for paying so much :P
13:26 <madmax|pt> M&Ms pwns
13:26 <noob> you wish sucker
13:26 <Lizz> lol max
13:26 * noob owns all xD
13:26 <noob> including m&ms
13:27 <madmax|pt> crap Lizz you should have guessed
13:27 <Lizz> melts in ya mouth
13:27 <Lizz> i shoulda known
13:27 <madmax|pt> so you would get the prize eheh
13:27 <Lizz> heh .. i think u want it more than i do :P
13:27 <madmax|pt> lol
13:27 <Lizz> too funny lol
13:28 <madmax|pt> people almost never guess my name, and they say stupid ones too
13:29 <Lizz> ppl dont kno me so thats even better :D
13:29 * anjori goes back to tronning
13:29 <Lizz> anj
13:30 <anjori> yes ma'am?
13:30 <Lizz> u back in wild?
13:30 <noob> as the great and allmighty spidey once did
13:30 * noob owns you all
13:30 <anjori> yes
13:30 <anjori> well, will be in a second
13:30 <Lizz> lmao stfu son :P
13:30 <Lizz> ugh ok anj
13:31 <Lizz> dunno if i wanna go there :(
13:32 <anjori> well, that's where you can find me, if you do
13:32 <noob> Lizz, wanna come to my server with me and fire?
13:32 <anjori> you get frustrated too easily. i just say fuck 'em.
13:32 <Lizz> i will spider.. i wanna try ur server with players
13:33 <noob> :D
13:33 <noob> k
13:33 <Lizz> yes i do anj.. i get tired of being surrounded by idiots
13:33 <Lizz> esp ones that wanna kick me ..<
13:33 <Lizz> >
13:34 <anjori> you let one single idiot influence you that easily? the assclown was there just to start trouble.
13:34 <anjori> out of the blue and for no reason, he tried to kick another player after you left
13:34 <Lizz> i kno anj.. just.. its getting old ;-)
13:35 <noob> you coming slow poke? :o
13:35 <Lizz> i cant be bothered with little children..lol
13:35 <anjori> i just kick their asses in game and show them that way
13:35 <Lizz> ok ok one sec noober
13:35 <noob> anjori, you come to
13:35 <noob> custom connect to fallin-angels.com
13:35 <Lizz> agrees with noobers
13:35 <anjori> i had 100% Whole Grain trying to tell me how good he was and talking shit the other night
13:35 <Lizz> LOL anj
13:36 <anjori> so i beat him badly, and he ended up leaving in shame
13:36 <Lizz> meh
13:36 <madmax|pt> thats always nice
13:36 <anjori> anyway, i'm going back to the grid for a bit. you kids have fun.
13:36 <noob> anjori,
13:36 <noob> scome to my server :)
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13:59 <noob> nemostultae, got that thing working :D
13:59 <nemostultae> what would that thing be?
13:59 <noob> name thingy
13:59 <nemostultae> oh, :)
14:00 <noob> i had to edit some of Lucifer_arma's 2 python scripts
14:00 <Lizz> bbl guys... nite tc :)
14:00 <noob> but got it, you know any good word lists? :)
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14:01 <nemostultae> Any BSD system comes with websters. You could try making a word list out of a book from project gutenberg. Or just google for a wordlist.
14:04 <noob> mmm
14:04 <noob> now to remember where i put the actual word list
14:04 <noob> i made links to everything on my desktop
14:04 <nemostultae> check /usr/share/dict, if you have not already
14:04 <noob> but i forgot to link my wordlist
14:04 <noob> ya,but i used a different list
14:05 <noob> spidey@fbi.gov[dict]$ cat words
14:05 <noob> cat: words: No such file or directory
14:05 <noob> spidey@fbi.gov[dict]$ ls
14:05 <noob> words
14:05 * noob = confused
14:05 <nemostultae> noob is spidey?
14:05 <nemostultae> ><
14:05 <noob> ya
14:06 <noob> errrr
14:06 <noob> /usr/share/dict/words is only a link
14:06 <noob> it links to
14:07 <noob> /etc/dictionaries-common/words
14:07 <noob> which isn't there
14:07 <nemostultae> wierd, maybe you need to install it?
14:07 <noob> mmm
14:07 <noob> its should be already installed
14:08 <nemostultae> A dictionary is installed with ispell, maybe that is it
14:09 <noob> ispell is installed
14:09 <noob> sec
14:09 <noob> installing 7 dict packages
14:09 <noob> lol
14:11 <madmax|pt> nemostultae is it possible to build arma from source into a .app file using the xcode project files in there?
14:11 <nemostultae> yes it is, I think there is a problem compiling trunk right now.
14:11 <nemostultae> See READEM-Subversion
14:11 <nemostultae> README*
14:11 <madmax|pt> ok thanks
14:12 <madmax|pt> will do
14:12 <nemostultae> noob: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/root/src/src/share/dict/
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14:12 <nemostultae> You need to checkout from subversion to read that file, I think.
14:14 <madmax|pt> there's one in the sources
14:14 <nemostultae> Oh, ok
14:15 <madmax|pt> what about getting AA libraries? 404 on this one -> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/MacOSX_AALibraries.zip
14:15 <noob> thanks nemo :D
14:15 <nemostultae> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/libs
14:16 <madmax|pt> thanks :)
14:16 <nemostultae> the instructions in that folder only apply to trunk, 0.2.8 is a little different
14:16 <nemostultae> in that file**
14:16 <nemostultae> so, try 0.3.0
14:16 <madmax|pt> k
14:16 <nemostultae> but, hmmm...
14:17 <nemostultae> I used a different project file than the one included with the 0.3.0 sources
14:17 <nemostultae> and trunk is broken right now. I'll try to fix it right now
14:18 <nemostultae> it is some cryptic error, too.
14:18 <madmax|pt> i gotta learn how to checkout from svn ><
14:19 <noob> 76,200 words O_o
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14:19 <+wrtlprnft> #svn
14:19 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
14:19 <madmax|pt> thanks wrtlprnft
14:19 <nemostultae> You need svn installed, though.
14:19 <madmax|pt> yea
14:20 <nemostultae> sudo port install subversion :)
14:20 <madmax|pt> yeap
14:20 <madmax|pt> was about to do that
14:20 <madmax|pt> btw, the wiki has no info on svn
14:20 <madmax|pt> a "to do" huh? :D
14:20 <nemostultae> [[Working_with_Subversion]], I think
14:21 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN
14:21 <+wrtlprnft> as armabot said
14:21 <nemostultae> (or see that)
14:21 <madmax|pt> wait, x-chat glued that last ')' to my link
14:21 <madmax|pt> nvm
14:22 <madmax|pt> like this -> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> #alias add svn "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information:"
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
14:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> gah
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> #alias add svn "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )"
14:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> #svn
14:22 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )
14:22 <+wrtlprnft> better?
14:23 <madmax|pt> well, it is
14:23 <madmax|pt> remember, x-chat's fault
14:24 <+wrtlprnft> it's noones fault, not seperating ) is a good idea
14:24 <+wrtlprnft> lots of wiki(pedia) pages have () in their names
14:25 <noob> madmax|pt, your x-chat sucks :p
14:25 <noob> mine doesn't do that
14:25 <anjori> holy fucking shit, i am done.
14:25 <noob> done with???
14:25 <madmax|pt> erm
14:25 <anjori> tron
14:25 <noob> for good?
14:25 <anjori> yeah. i'm uninstalling it.
14:25 <noob> heh
14:26 <anjori> maybe ill come back when theres an 18+ server
14:26 <noob> haha
14:26 <anjori> i have never been surrounded by so many fucking idiots in my life. i can't deal with it anymore.
14:26 <+wrtlprnft> kill the |mbc|!
14:26 <madmax|pt> crap on wild fortress?
14:26 <anjori> oh yeah. big tim.
14:26 <anjori> *time
14:26 <noob> wild fortress don't count as a legit server
14:26 <+wrtlprnft> uh, and i don't say adults are much better
14:26 <noob> so many morons there it's not even funny
14:26 <+wrtlprnft> *wouldn't
14:27 <noob> anjori , they fuck with you,tk them xD
14:27 <anjori> no, they're not. but if you had to endure what i just did, you would see how much worse kids are
14:27 <noob> they'll leave or stfu
14:27 <noob> or sometimes kick-vote haha
14:27 <+wrtlprnft> the problem gets solved that way, anyways
14:28 <anjori> TKing people. starting bullshit polls. throwing out childish insults like "i bet you get it up the but from ur boyfriend"
14:28 <noob> and btw
14:28 <anjori> holy christ. i feel dumber just having been there to witness it.
14:28 <noob> saying a 18+ server isn't a valid concept
14:28 <noob> i know many more adults that are worse than the "kids" i've seen on tron
14:29 <anjori> currently, no. there would have to be some type of verification system
14:29 <noob> no....
14:29 <noob> fuck that
14:29 <+wrtlprnft> would there be pr0n on the walls?
14:29 <noob> 70% of the adults in tron are worse than the kids....
14:29 <noob> so 18+ isn't a valid concept
14:29 * madmax|pt is away: Lunch
14:29 <anjori> problem is, a kick vote wouldnt even have worked. they would have all voted it down.
14:30 <anjori> i was almost kicked because of these morons. probably one more yes vote and i would have been
14:30 <+wrtlprnft> how many are we here, active?
14:30 <noob> ?
14:30 <+wrtlprnft> let's just all join the server and kick the morons out!
14:30 <noob> hahaha
14:30 <noob> ok
14:30 <noob> deal
14:31 <anjori> enh, i'm done with it all. a game i use to kill relax and kill stress should never cause more than i went in with.
14:32 <noob> um
14:32 <noob> if that's the case
14:32 <nemostultae> madmax|pt: I think I got a fix for trunk. Just waiting for it to finish compiling.
14:32 <noob> don't bother installing ANY other game
14:32 <noob> or ANYTHING that has multiple people
14:32 <noob> infact
14:32 <noob> don't go in public
14:32 <anjori> well, it was about the only game i really play. i've never been that big into gaming as it is
14:32 <noob> that'd be perfect eh?
14:33 <anjori> when i go into public i dont have a 10 kids yelling stupid shit at me and trying to punch me in the face :P
14:33 <anjori> and if i did, they would quickly be aborted, post-term.
14:34 <noob> point is you can't go anywhere and have it like you want
14:34 <noob> there's always gonna be morons
14:34 <noob> either kids or adults
14:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or noobs
14:34 <anjori> no, of course not. but not to that large of a scale, either.
14:34 <noob> you can't classify them in one age group
14:35 <anjori> adults are assholes too. but teenagers are definitely worse.
14:35 <anjori> whether in tron, or sitting on the bus, i see it constantly.
14:35 <noob> i disagree
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks...
14:35 <noob> maybe in canada
14:35 <noob> but
14:35 <noob> i disagree
14:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anjori: would you say i'm worse than an asshole?
14:35 <noob> yes
14:35 <anjori> who wouldn't? :P
14:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guru3 wouldn't, or would he?
14:36 <+wrtlprnft> anjori: btw, if you can't stand it, just type SILENCE_ALL 1 on the console
14:36 <+wrtlprnft> works wonders
14:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> TEXT_OUT 0 still working too?
14:37 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
14:37 <+wrtlprnft> but you don't get to know when someone killed someone else or who won or if there's a kick poll against you
14:37 <guru3> anjori: i'm a teenager
14:38 <guru3> does that automatically make me an asshole?
14:38 * wrtlprnft is 17
14:38 <anjori> wrtlprnft: that's a helpful hint. didn't know there was such an option.
14:38 * wrtlprnft is an asshole :P
14:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anjori: if you're right there's a damn fuckload of asshole in here
14:39 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5688 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/network/nSocket.cpp: "Fixed" cryptic error in trunk on Mac OS X. Stole a small define from http://www.tcpdump.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/tcpdump/ip.h?rev=1.11
14:39 <nemostultae> madmax|pt: trunk works now
14:43 <anjori> i didn't say every single teenager alive was an asshole. but there's enough that i'm allowed to generalize. and if youre not an asshole but still take offense to that, then i don't know what to tell you. if it's not obvious that you're not who i'm referring to, maybe you do in fact need to grow up some more first.
14:45 <noob> anjori, 70% of the people who play tron
14:45 <anjori> i've never had a problem with anyone here, but that doesnt mean i cant have a general dislike for people your age. and hell, i'm barely passed that age myself.
14:45 <noob> are adults
14:45 <noob> if not more
14:45 <noob> infact
14:45 <noob> i've only ran into 3 people under 18
14:45 <noob> so your statement is totally wrong
14:45 <noob> :)
14:46 <noob> why don't we take a age poll,i can almost bet it turns to to be hella more "adults" than teenagers
14:47 <noob> you can't generalize a community by how they act and say, this group acts immature they're kids....and this group yada yada
14:47 <anjori> dude, i asked. not a single person on that server was over 18
14:48 <noob> and? that's THAT server
14:48 <nemostultae> try swampland
14:48 <noob> which i've done pointed out the people that play on it are morons
14:48 <noob> i've been kicked from that server for the most retarded things
14:48 <noob> like
14:48 <anjori> and i dont even mind as much if someone is being an ass if they're at least intelligent about it. but when it's like "omg u have buttsex with ur boyfriend lol", it annoys the shit out of me even more. if that makes sense.
14:49 <noob> lol
14:49 <noob> but like i said,you can't judge by how someone acts and then just call them a kid
14:49 <noob> and i'm sure everyone on that server didn't answer the how old are you question
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14:51 <noob> oops
14:51 <nemostultae> wb
14:51 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:21:42)
14:51 <noob> i'm not sure how that happened
14:51 <noob> xD
14:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
14:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> your nickname explains a number of things
14:52 <noob> :|
14:52 <noob> now anjori the example you was trying to give applies to [Xpert]DarkStar
14:52 <noob> :)
14:52 <anjori> nah, see, he was intelligent about it ;)
14:52 <noob> LOL
14:53 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5689 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (TODO.txt bin/map-preview lib/map_preview/renderer.rb):
14:53 <armabot> armagetronad: bin/map-preview: use open-uri so you can pass a URL to preview.
14:53 <armabot> armagetronad: lib/map_preview/renderer.rb: Use viewbox directly.
14:54 <noob> wow
14:54 <noob> my info box thing is wrong
14:54 <noob> this file has over 76k lines
14:54 <noob> and it says it only has 85
14:54 * anjori wants to see this script youve been going on about
14:55 <noob> you're on mepis right?
14:55 <anjori> for the time being
14:55 <noob> sec
14:55 <anjori> i'm trying to learn python, so maybe it would be good to play around with it
14:56 <madmax|pt> port can't get apr by himself ><
14:56 <noob> ok
14:57 <noob> http://fallin-angels.com/words << put that on your desktop
14:57 <noob> actually
14:57 <noob> copy it to a text file on your desktop
14:57 <noob> name the textfile "words"
14:58 <anjori> where's the actual script? couldnt i just have it call from a dictionary library for the names?
14:58 <noob> ya
14:58 <noob> sec uploading
14:59 <noob> http://fallin-angels.com/Archive.tar
14:59 <noob> you HAVE to use this
14:59 <noob> bash tron.py
14:59 <noob> anything else
14:59 <noob> you get denied
14:59 <noob> or sdl won't start
15:00 <anjori> why wouldnt "python tron.py" or "./tron.py" work?
15:00 <noob> try it and see
15:00 <noob> :)
15:00 <anjori> i believe you. i just dont get why that's the case
15:00 <noob> spidey@fbi.gov[Desktop]$ ./tron.py
15:00 <noob> bash: ./tron.py: Permission denied
15:00 <noob> spidey@fbi.gov[Desktop]$ python tron.py
15:00 <noob> File "tron.py", line 5
15:00 <noob> -e "s/PLAYER_1 .*/PLAYER_1 ${word}/" \
15:00 <noob> ^
15:00 <noob> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
15:01 <noob> only way to start it is with bash
15:01 <nemostultae> tron .py is a bash script...
15:01 <anjori> oh
15:01 <anjori> then why the hell is it .py? :P
15:01 <noob> because it's got python in it....
15:02 <nemostultae> chmod +x tron.py && ./tron.py should work.
15:02 <anjori> ah, okay. that makes sense, then
15:02 <nemostultae> wow, apr-1.2.7 takes forever to configure.
15:03 <noob> btw
15:03 <noob> i made some changes to lucis script
15:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nemostultae: what is apr?
15:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
15:03 <noob> open tron.py
15:03 <nemostultae> apache runtime, or something
15:03 <noob> "${HOME}/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg"
15:03 <noob> change that path
15:04 <noob> word="`python /usr/bin/namepicker.py`"
15:04 <noob> and that one
15:04 <madmax|pt> The Apache Portable Runtime is a library of C data structures and routines, forming a system portability layer that covers as many operating systems as possible, including Unices, Win32, BeOS, and OS/2.
15:04 <noob> then
15:04 <noob> open namepicker.py
15:04 <noob> fp = open(os.path.expanduser('/home/spidey/Desktop/words'),"r")
15:04 <noob> change that path
15:04 <nemostultae> noob: that python script reads the entire dictionary into memory. wow.
15:04 <noob> then drop them both in /usr/bin
15:05 <noob> it doesn't
15:05 <noob> i could use
15:05 <noob> ${HOME}
15:05 <noob> or wait
15:05 <noob> huh?
15:05 <anjori> it'll be in $HOME/bin and not /usr/bin, but yeah, ill change accordingly ;)
15:06 <anjori> it reads the word list into memory?
15:06 <anjori> or an external dict?
15:06 <noob> dunno,luci's script :p
15:06 <noob> but i didn't have any problems
15:06 <noob> i changed the colors to
15:07 <noob> import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
15:07 <noob> from 15 to 33
15:07 <anjori> well, if its only the word list, it's less than 1000k. but if it was an entire dictionary, that would be a problem
15:07 <madmax|pt> wait, you were installing apr from port nemostultae ?
15:07 <nemostultae> Yes, it worked here.
15:07 <noob> anjori, no it's not....i have a 76,290 word list :)
15:07 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:08 <nemostultae> Are you on PPC?
15:08 <anjori> so youre using an external dictionary?
15:08 <madmax|pt> yes
15:08 <noob> http://fallin-angels.com/words
15:08 <noob> i'm using that....
15:08 <noob> it's on my desktop
15:08 <anjori> i havent looked at the code yet. not that i'd necessarily understand it at this point, anyway
15:08 <noob> understand?
15:09 <noob> i dunno nothing about it hardly
15:09 <noob> and i understand it :p
15:09 <anjori> yeah, its 76290 lines. but the file size is less than 1mg
15:09 <noob> ya
15:09 <noob> but i don't have problems :)
15:09 <noob> and lets see you open a 1mg txt on windows :p
15:10 <anjori> i dont know anything about what ideal memory useage is for that size a script, but it doesnt seem all that bad to me
15:11 <noob> could always use armabot for testing
15:11 <noob> #echo randomInt(0,100)
15:11 <armabot> randomInt(0,100)
15:11 <noob> erm
15:11 <nemostultae> er
15:11 <noob> #echo randomInt
15:11 <armabot> randomInt
15:11 <noob> oh
15:12 <noob> #echo randInt(0,100)
15:12 <armabot> randInt(0,100)
15:12 <anjori> the bot is in python, i assume?
15:12 <noob> ya
15:12 <noob> #help echo
15:12 <armabot> noob: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
15:12 <noob> ohhh
15:12 <noob> #echo $randomInt(0,100)
15:12 <armabot> -473(0,100)
15:12 <noob> #echo $randomInt
15:12 <armabot> -853
15:12 <madmax|pt> nemostultae, haven't run a port -d selfupdate in a while
15:12 <noob> O_o
15:12 <madmax|pt> it works now
15:13 <nemostultae> ok, good :)
15:13 <anjori> #echo 'the bright side' + 'of life'
15:13 <armabot> 'the bright side' + 'of life'
15:13 <anjori> pfft
15:14 <noob> mmmm
15:15 <anjori> #echo 999L
15:15 <armabot> 999L
15:16 <noob> mm
15:16 <noob> ok i know how to upload via ssh
15:16 <noob> but how do you download via ssh?
15:17 <nemostultae> scp
15:17 <anjori> what were you talking about, spidey? there's no python code in "tron.py"
15:21 <noob> ugh
15:21 <noob> -e "s/COLOR_R_1 .*/COLOR_R_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
15:21 <noob> -e "s/PLAYER_1 .*/PLAYER_1 ${word}/" \
15:21 <noob> -e "s/COLOR_R_1 .*/COLOR_R_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
15:21 <noob> -e "s/COLOR_G_1 .*/COLOR_G_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
15:21 <noob> -e "s/COLOR_B_1 .*/COLOR_B_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
15:21 <noob> surely that's not some python there? :p
15:22 <noob> nemostultae, you can download with scp?
15:22 <noob> i thought you could only send files with it
15:25 <anjori> as far as i know, that's bash, and sed more specifically, calling python with arguments. technically, i guess there is, but i wouldnt call it a python script
15:25 <anjori> but what the fuck do i know.
15:26 <noob> did i? :p
15:26 <noob> did i? :p
15:26 <anjori> noob: check out the scp man page. if you reverse your arguments, you can also download
15:26 <noob> er
15:26 <noob> as nemo said it's a bash script
15:26 <noob> with python
15:27 <luke-jr_> and sed
15:27 <noob> lol
15:27 <anjori> right. and when it comes down to it, i'd just call it a bash script
15:27 <noob> namepicker.py is python
15:27 <noob> :p
15:28 <anjori> i don't think it would matter if it was .sh, no? just as python, technically, doesnt have to even have an extension
15:28 <anjori> with one exception, but i forget right now
15:28 <noob> ask luci >>> he made it
15:28 <anjori> for importing, i think
15:31 <anjori> noob: scp ip.address:/home/user/file.txt /home/user/
15:32 <noob> ya when you said reverse i knew
16:40 <madmax|pt> #svn
16:40 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )
16:56 <madmax|pt> ./rakefile:71
16:56 <madmax|pt> undefined method `namespace' for main:Object
16:56 <madmax|pt> rake aborted!
16:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
16:56 <madmax|pt> where was i stupid?
16:56 <madmax|pt> o_O
16:57 <nemostultae> $ rake --version
16:57 <nemostultae> rake, version 0.7.1
16:57 <nemostultae> what is yours?
16:57 <madmax|pt> eek
16:57 <madmax|pt> .4
16:57 <madmax|pt> lol
16:58 <nemostultae> install rb-rubygems, and do sudo gem install rake
16:59 <nemostultae> or just download rake from the website and install
17:10 <madmax|pt> building...
17:10 <madmax|pt> i had rake from darwinports seems like the last version there it's .4
17:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wtf is rake?
17:11 <madmax|pt> ruby's "makefile"
17:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
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17:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn i want to play tron :(
17:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but with ping 300+ and 10 fps this is unplayable
17:28 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:28 <Vanhayes> #help armaservers
17:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: (armaservers [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armaservers at the RSS feed <http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverrss.php>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
17:43 <madmax|pt> nemostultae, where are we supposed to put the AA libraries? in /Library/Frameworks/?
17:43 <madmax|pt> hi Van
17:44 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt
17:44 <nemostultae> oops
17:44 <nemostultae> did that last line from me show up
17:44 <nemostultae> ?
17:45 <madmax|pt> [15:59] nemostultae or just download rake from the website and install
17:45 <nemostultae> I think I'm going to switch to irssi. Colloquy is too buggy.
17:46 <nemostultae> arg!
17:46 <nemostultae> /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced/current
17:46 <nemostultae> it was the /, oops
17:47 <+wrtlprnft> nemostultae: good idea :)
17:50 <nemostultae> wrtlprnft: did you figure out how to split up your huge log files, like into days?
17:51 <+wrtlprnft> well, i guess i could make a script for that
17:51 <+wrtlprnft> they have something like "Day changed to <blah>" in them, so that should be easy
18:11 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=13916&oldid=13914 <-- even my english is better
18:11 * wrtlprnft is happy he is not in the US, i would never play on the same team as PsYkO
18:19 <madmax|pt> i think i should start producing fake passports, so my team gets some more players
18:26 <+wrtlprnft> how are you gonna have them all play at the same time?
18:27 <+wrtlprnft> too bad the only country close to canada is the US...
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19:27 <+Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't play on a server that authorized people like me to play on it
19:29 <nemostultae> why can't I commit to SVN... it keep asking for my username and pass, and rejecting it.
19:32 * Lucifer_arma yells loudly
19:32 <+Lucifer_arma> over in the other channel we're having problems with cvs
19:32 <+Lucifer_arma> WHY CAN'T SHIT JUST WORK?
19:32 <+Lucifer_arma> er
19:32 <+Lucifer_arma> sorry
19:32 * nemostultae *
19:32 <+Lucifer_arma> that works! thanks nemostultae
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19:33 <nemostultae> hi z-man
19:35 <z-man> hi
19:38 <madmax|pt> is wikipedia.org down?
19:42 <madmax|pt> huh, it didnt load for some minutes
19:42 <madmax|pt> now it does
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19:44 <Brooky> Hi
19:44 <Brooky> how do i enable MIME on an apache server?
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20:23 <luke-jr_> ... can it even be disabled?
20:29 <+cusco> they were restarting apache madmax|pt :P
20:30 <+cusco> madmax|pt: anda pro bugfarm
20:30 <+cusco> ta la o webgamer
20:30 <madmax|pt> ... talvez nao
20:33 <+cusco> anda!
20:34 <+cusco> where can I see the lather of bugarm (cvs) =
20:34 <+cusco> ?
20:34 <+cusco> and scores
20:34 <+cusco> and allt hat
20:41 <+cusco> ladder
20:49 <luke-jr_> cusco: there is no CVS!!!!
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21:17 <nemostultae> in shrunkland spam_maxlen is still at 0. I tried to communicate with morse code, but it didn't help :(
21:17 <nemostultae> by morse*
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> noob: that's what math calc is for
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> #math calc random(0,100)
21:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'random' is not a defined function.
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> #math calc rand(0,100)
21:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'rand' is not a defined function.
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> #math calc randint(0,100)
21:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'randint' is not a defined function.
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> gah
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> well
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> #dice 1d100
21:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 15
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> #dice 1d100
21:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 47
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> there ya go
21:24 <+Lucifer_arma> man, that was an awesome movie
21:24 * Lucifer_arma just watched Daredevil
21:24 * wrtlprnft is just reading a firefox 2b1 review
21:25 <+wrtlprnft> If these features seem familiar, it's because they were available through Firefox extensions, but not part of the browser by default.
21:25 <+wrtlprnft> ah
21:25 <+wrtlprnft> they're familiar to me since they've been around in opera for ages :D
21:25 <+Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=13915&oldid=13914 <-- told you we'd get kicked out
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21:26 <+wrtlprnft> you'll appreciate the new "Recently Closed Tabs" feature. || it "remembers" the session you had going and reopens all the pages and tabs that you had open when Firefox was restarted
21:26 <+wrtlprnft> yeah, very familiar indeed. the second one was in opera 6!
21:26 * wrtlprnft is just trolling
21:26 <+wrtlprnft> join canada :D
21:27 <+Lucifer_arma> under what guidelines do they determine a country exists? UN Recognition?
21:27 <+Lucifer_arma> What if someone wants to start up a Taiwanese team?
21:27 <+Lucifer_arma> Palistine?
21:27 <+Lucifer_arma> Somalia, even?
21:28 <+wrtlprnft> well, you have to be from there
21:28 <+Lucifer_arma> Basque?
21:29 <+Lucifer_arma> I consider myself a citizen of a state in rebellion
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> or, somehow related/close to it
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: then you're right in the US?
21:29 <+wrtlprnft> put yourself back in and lock the page :D
21:29 <+Lucifer_arma> that would be serious abuse, I won't do it
21:30 <+wrtlprnft> just kidding
21:32 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm going to restore the edit and put a blurb in there
21:34 <+wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rssfeeds.png <-- something tells me I have too many RSS feeds :S
21:35 <+Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup#Rebellious_States_of_the_World
21:35 <+wrtlprnft> i wonder why the microsoft-feed about rss (a new entry about every 3 months) has a google icon...
21:36 <+wrtlprnft> infact, the google icon is the only reason i keep that marketing- feed
21:36 <+wrtlprnft> let's go, fight an edit war!
21:37 <+Lucifer_arma> Chances are good I won't even show up to play, though, heh.
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: do you have a rebelliousstatesoftheworldian passport?
21:38 <+wrtlprnft> well, i don't have a canadian one, so i should stfu
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21:48 <anjori> yeah read the wiki, Lucifer. thats bullshit
21:48 <anjori> they added me to the canadian team without permission or acknowledgement.
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> didn't they say it was supposed to be politically neutral?
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> Hmmm, I have to say, the more I'm reading about Daredevil, the more I like it. Looks like they used real story from the comics instead of just inventing their own.
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> and they had to cut it to get the PG-13 rating, they originally wanted an R rating. :)
21:51 * Lucifer_arma thinks R is more like Daredevil
21:52 <anjori> i dont recall if i saw that one or not
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21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> The date on the invitation to the Black & White Ball Karen Page gives Matt Murdock is July 14 however the date on the invitation he finds on the pillow is August 13th. <-- did you see that?
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> (daredevil's blind, get it?)
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> check it out, it's awesome
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner
21:54 <anjori> no, i dont think so. maybe ill download it
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> unfortunately it looks like two different film companies got Spider Man and Daredevil, so they had to be extracted from the same city or they'd have to do expensive cross-licensing
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> (Kingpin is one of Spider Man's enemies, too)
21:55 <+Lucifer_arma> I hate it when bullshit like that breaks up the story, even a little
21:55 <anjori> i watched the cartoons like spiderman and x-men as a kid, but im not all that familiar with the comics
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21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> I never read many comics, a few Daredevils and some of the Punisher
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> but I played the ass out of the marvel Super Hero roleplaying game
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> so I like know all this stuff about marvel's universes, but have probably read all of 5 comics, and two of them were brief mini-series
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> I always thought Daredevil was the most interesting hero, though. They play the "devil" part pretty hard, so of course I'd like that,
21:59 <+Lucifer_arma> and it really gets into the whole good vs evil thing, and "who's the real villain?", especially when Daredevil kills someone right in front of the guy's kid
21:59 <anjori> i'm kind of curious about the upcoming spiderman, where he turns into venom
21:59 <+Lucifer_arma> never did like DC's approach, where the good guys may as well have been at King Arthur's Court
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> I've been enjoying the spiderman movies, to be honest
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> Haven't liked them as much as the x-men, or this Daredevil I just watched, but they're good flicks. Problem is, Spider Man's not a very interesting character to me anymore
22:00 <anjori> i know i saw the first one, but i cant remember if i saw the second. there's just so many bloody superhero movies out all of a sudden
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> he's just a trumped up smart ass geek in a stupid looking costume, when you get right to it
22:00 <anjori> i saw fantastic four. that was awful.
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> the second one was really good, but I think Doc Ock is the reason for that :)
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> I didn't see the Fantastic Four, but I'd like to
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> problem there is the comic was pretty bad to begin with, not much to work with
22:02 <anjori> i dont know. to me it just seemed like it never really went anywhere
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> Marvel's teams aren't very good, they do the solo storylines much better. Why is everyone's favorite x-man wolverine? Because he's the kind of character marvel does best!
22:02 <anjori> yeah, i heard theyre going to make a Wolverine movie, too
22:03 <+Lucifer_arma> frankly it wouldn't surprise me. They need to keep the same actor, though, he's awesome
22:03 <anjori> yeah
22:04 <anjori> http://imdb.com/title/tt0458525/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9d29sdmVyaW5lfGZ0PTF8bXg9MjB8bG09NTAwfGNvPTF8aHRtbD0xfG5tPTE_;fc=1;ft=20;fm=1
22:04 <+Lucifer_arma> I didn't see the Incredible Bipolar Hulk either, but I heard it sucked a lot
22:04 <anjori> apparently he will be in it
22:05 <+Lucifer_arma> that's the story the comic pursued. That's one of the comics I read for awhile, actually.
22:05 <+Lucifer_arma> where "awhile" is probably like 4 months, and it was produced either bimonthly or quarterly :)
22:06 <+Lucifer_arma> http://imdb.com/title/tt0330793/ <--- ahhh, I thought they made that one
22:07 <anjori> didnt see that one
22:08 <anjori> anyway, i must be off. talk to you later.
22:08 -!- anjori is now known as anjori|away
22:11 <Vanhayes_> wolverine is everyones favorite because he is canadian
22:12 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
22:13 <+Lucifer_arma> nah, most people think he's from the US or Australia
22:14 <+Lucifer_arma> only canadians care that Wolverine's canadian, or that the x-men school/headquarters is in canada
22:15 <Vanhayes> hmm since when is the headquarters in canada? I thought it wa in new york
22:15 <Vanhayes> was*
22:17 <Vanhayes> though i only really know the movies and what I remember form the old cartoons
22:23 <GodTodd> it is in new york...but was filmed in BC
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> eh? I thought it was always in Canada....
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> ack, not much difference between canada and new york anyway
22:26 <Vanhayes> ya about the same number of people live in both
22:26 <GodTodd> lol
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> and they're all fucking yankees
22:26 <Vanhayes> alot of things are filmed in BC lately
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> that's because it's cheaper :)
22:26 <Vanhayes> mainly in vancover
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> star wars was originally done in London a lot for that reason
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> a lot of production's going to Australia and New Zealand for the same reason
22:27 <Vanhayes> true, and plus it is one of the most beautiful places in canada
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> the US is just expensive to film in now, so people only do it when they must have authentic US scenery
22:28 <GodTodd> hell...a lot of times it's cheaper to make the 'authentic' scenery and film elsewhere
22:29 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
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22:29 <GodTodd> i think that's a lot of the reason that most films coming out lately are CGI
22:29 <+Lucifer_arma> also depends on the movie. A romantic comedy that takes place in NYC can usually be filmed there, but an action flick that takes place in the Empire State Building can be filmed anywhere but there
22:29 <GodTodd> yep
22:30 <+Lucifer_arma> and in these comic book movies they're trying to be authentic to the comic book, not the city itself
22:30 <+Lucifer_arma> and they need a certain look to the city that doesn't exist in the real city
22:31 <GodTodd> most people would rather have the action and effects in those movies rather than city authenticity
22:31 <GodTodd> if you have to give up one...
22:31 <GodTodd> :)
22:31 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BA8CD.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:31 <+Lucifer_arma> well, since it's finally possible to make CGI look realistic, and it's gotten a lot cheaper to do it, I'm happy with it
22:32 <+Lucifer_arma> but man, I don't want to ever see dinosaurs like in Jurassic Park again
22:32 <GodTodd> oh...i love the newer CGI movies....personally i liked Cars
22:32 <+Lucifer_arma> Tron got away with it because they weren't trying to make a real place, but you know damn well they couldn't have made anything real if they wanted to
22:33 <+Lucifer_arma> the Last Starfighter turned out really crappy in the end...
22:33 <+Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen Cars. Maybe when it gets to the library, which is where we're getting our movies from these days. :)
22:33 <+Lucifer_arma> I enjoyed Finding Nemo a lot, though
22:34 <GodTodd> one of tommy's grandmas wanted to take him while we were in arkansas....so i tagged along :)
22:34 <+Lucifer_arma> oh fuck, I was supposed to stop by the financial aid office after class and I forgot :(
22:35 <GodTodd> oops....
22:35 <GodTodd> hell..i went to pay for my classes the other day and about shit
22:35 <+Lucifer_arma> well, it's too late for me to receive the grant before I have to pay for my next semester
22:35 <+Lucifer_arma> found out how much they costed?
22:35 <GodTodd> they said i owed 974$ for 3 classes
22:35 <GodTodd> i said 'bullshit'
22:35 <+Lucifer_arma> haha
22:35 * Lucifer_arma notes that's a pretty good price
22:36 <GodTodd> so i called and they said i had to prove karen and i were *still* married
22:36 <+Lucifer_arma> what?
22:36 <GodTodd> so i took my 1040 and they took 590$ off
22:36 <+Lucifer_arma> that's bullshit
22:36 <+Lucifer_arma> I didn't have to prove I'm still married....
22:36 <GodTodd> i did
22:36 <GodTodd> bastards
22:36 <GodTodd> :D
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> that's crazy. Maybe some mad former lover or something called them up and tried to fuck with you?
22:37 <GodTodd> well...since i was basing my residency on the fact that i'm married i can somewhat see it
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> my mother-in-law used to do that shit. She'd call where I worked and tell them all sorts of stuff that was mostly not true
22:37 <GodTodd> lol
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm serious! I showed up to work one day and the guys from the main office were over "to visit", and they were looking at me funny
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> later in the day, one of them asked me if I stole something from my previous employer and I said "no, where'd you hear that?"
22:39 <+Lucifer_arma> later on, after seeing me lecture guys a few times on Doing it Right, they finally figured out what had happened and told me about the phone call
22:39 <GodTodd> man....talk about psycho
22:39 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah
22:40 <GodTodd> i got pretty lucky in the InLaw dept
22:40 <+Lucifer_arma> told my wife about it and she confronted her mom about it, and her mom denied it and said my boss must be out to get me
22:40 <GodTodd> hahaha
22:40 <+Lucifer_arma> then the woman had to nerve to accuse me of being paranoid!
22:40 <GodTodd> you're not? ;)
22:41 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, I don't know if you got lucky so much as you didn't marry a psycho
22:41 <GodTodd> little of both probably
22:41 <+Lucifer_arma> jeez, is it paranoia when everyone really is out to get you? More importantly, is paranoia a real emotional problem in that case?
22:42 <GodTodd> kinda like since at least 90% of people are dysfunctional isn't dysfuntionality really normal?
22:43 <+Lucifer_arma> well, what I've learned is that if someone accuses you of paranoia, they're usually trying to stab you in the back
22:43 <GodTodd> truly
22:43 <+Lucifer_arma> of course, when I say that, i get accused of paranoia, and that's fine with me.
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> Your accusations are nothing compared to my hard experience ("You" is collective here, not specific!)
22:44 <GodTodd> hey...do you buy your textbooks at the actual bookstore or do you go to an off campus store or what?
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> bookstore, they're the same price everywhere
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> some folks get them from Amazon, and I hear half-price books has good prices
22:44 <GodTodd> hmmm....cuz pj's campus books is supposed to be cheaper
22:44 <GodTodd> half-price i was thinking too
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> the problem with half-price books is that they usually carry too old editions and my school switches to newer editions quickly
22:45 <noob> Lucifer_arma!
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> what, spidey?
22:45 <noob> http://fallin-angels.com/words :)
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer_arma
22:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
22:45 <GodTodd> you don't rule me!
22:45 <GodTodd> :P
22:45 <noob> LOL
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: personally, I find it more important to have the books quickly then to have them cheap
22:45 <GodTodd> true
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> You find out the first day of class what book they want you to have, and you have to start studying out of it within a week or you start off behind in a nasty way
22:46 <GodTodd> yep
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> depends on the class, too. I don't flinch at paying $200 or whatever for a math textbook the first day of class and standing in the long line to get it
22:47 <+Lucifer_arma> My wife got a D or a C or soemthing low like that on her first history test because she'd ordered the book from Amazon and only got it like a week before the test,
22:47 <GodTodd> don't the bookstores around here have a list before classes of what text a certain teacher is using that semester?
22:47 <+Lucifer_arma> and it was a distance course
22:47 <+Lucifer_arma> they do, but they're not always accurate
22:47 <GodTodd> hmmm
22:47 <GodTodd> i always like to have my book with me the first day of class
22:47 <+Lucifer_arma> also, you don't always know that the teacher will use it. My comp I teacher didn't use one of the books her department head had assigned, and her departmet head micromanages them
22:48 <+Lucifer_arma> so instead of beating the line, I had to stand in the line so I could return the unused book while I could still get a full refund for it
22:48 <GodTodd> lol...yeah i've had that
22:48 <+Lucifer_arma> it's probably worth it, in the long view, to do it at least with math textbooks
22:49 <+Lucifer_arma> for history, government, and lecture classes like that, just take really fucking excellent lecture notes and try to find out if you even need the book
22:49 <GodTodd> yep
22:49 <+Lucifer_arma> I didn't even buy the book for my History I class, I just took really fucking awesome notes and aced the class
22:49 <+Lucifer_arma> I had to buy the book for my history II class because the teacher delegated some topics to the textbook and I couldn't get the A without it
22:49 <GodTodd> i'm taking the history of the Republic of Texas this semester
22:49 <+Lucifer_arma> could've pulled a B, though
22:50 <GodTodd> that's the way i did it in US History AP in HS....i don't think i even opened that book
22:50 <+Lucifer_arma> ack, that's too long, spidey!
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, I left that book at home :)
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> or in my locker, one of the two
22:51 <GodTodd> mine was in my locker
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> didn't you have the locker under mine, or something, and we used to always joke that we had our history books in there and we never took them out?
22:52 <GodTodd> could be
22:52 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, maybe I'm making that memory up
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> damn that psychology class! Like I had enough problems trusting my memory, I didn't need to learn how easy it is to make false memories!
22:53 <noob> man
22:53 <GodTodd> lol
22:53 <noob> i just carried a air conditioner up the stairs,my grandma out her fuckin mind if she thinks i'm putting it in the window
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> noob: I was thinking more like something where we put names we've used in a file together
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> so you might wind up being Lucifer, or Homosexual, or whatever else
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> and whatever neat new names we come up with
22:54 <noob> LOL
22:54 <noob> k
22:54 <GodTodd> i like Biff Blowhard
22:54 <GodTodd> :)
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> it might be neat to have the script also pick random fake clan tags to stick on there
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> maybe people will quit forming new clans if we make them think all the possible practical tags are taken :)
22:55 <GodTodd> what's the point of clans?
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> ask noob, he used to be a clansman
22:56 <noob> still am :/
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> you didn't quit mbc?
22:56 <noob> no,lizz talked me outta it O_o
22:57 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I can't share a name file with real clan tags, you know.....
22:57 * Lucifer_arma notes that there aren't any in this one he's looking at :)
22:58 <+Lucifer_arma> what names have I used recently?
22:58 <noob> i don't have tags on them
22:58 * noob sighs
22:59 * Lucifer_arma has forgotten his names
22:59 <noob> brb i gotta pick this heavy ass air conditoner up and put it in the window
22:59 <noob> :|
22:59 <GodTodd> that's the first sign you're getting old :D
22:59 <noob> hahaha
22:59 <+Lucifer_arma> shut up kid
23:00 <GodTodd> who's a kid?
23:00 <GodTodd> :P
23:00 <+Lucifer_arma> there was a name I was using recently that I actually used for like a week or so and then changed before anyone figured it out
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23:04 <noob> fuck that
23:04 <noob> the window's gotta be blocked off
23:05 <noob> someone else can put it in the window
23:14 <noob> ok, Lucifer_arma ... http://fallin-angels.com/
23:14 <noob> http://fallin-angels.com/words
23:15 <+Lucifer_arma> ack, it's still really long
23:15 <noob> that's all the names i've used
23:16 <+Lucifer_arma> problem with really long is that you'll never use the same name twice (or at least not very often), and for us to really become anonymous, we each need to use the same names
23:16 <noob> i left some out actually
23:16 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe I'm getting a browser cache?
23:16 <noob> maybe
23:16 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, nvm
23:16 <+Lucifer_arma> browser cache
23:16 <noob> :p
23:16 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, this is more like it :)
23:16 <noob> i ripped half of them from my autoexec.cfg on the backup driv
23:16 <noob> e
23:16 <noob> lol
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> man, there was one more name I used recently that I really wanted to put in here
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> some of these I haven't used in a looong time
23:17 <noob> something terian
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> Humanitarian is in there already
23:17 <noob> gaymosexual
23:17 <+Lucifer_arma> Homosexual and Gaymosexual are too, as is Player Juan
23:17 <noob> mmm
23:18 <+Lucifer_arma> Robin Hood. M'aidez, I haven't used that one since fortress was still in diapers
23:18 <noob> lol
23:18 <+Lucifer_arma> it's the Ultimate Noob Name, though :)
23:18 <+Lucifer_arma> FNG, but nobody ever bothers to ask what FNG means
23:19 <+Lucifer_arma> Rattlehead, that's it
23:19 * Lucifer_arma looked up and saw his Youthanasia CD :)
23:19 <noob> ohhh
23:19 <noob> add snake to that list
23:19 <noob> forgot about that on
23:19 <noob> one
23:19 <+Lucifer_arma> haven't tried to copy the unicode characters
23:20 <+Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to make my list and post it and you can pick and choose from it
23:20 <noob> O_o
23:20 <noob> the ascii are more known than the others
23:20 <noob> that's why i included them
23:20 <noob> :p
23:20 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't want actual swear words or names that incorporate other people's names mostly because it's random, and I'd hate to join a server and get banned because my script picked the wrong name at the wrong time
23:20 <noob> lol
23:21 <+Lucifer_arma> not that I care that much, but I'd like to at least be able to go in and do the swearing by hand before getting banned
23:21 <noob> haha
23:22 <+Lucifer_arma> I used another one around the time I used Rattlehead I wanted to keep
23:22 <+Lucifer_arma> it was before Player Juan, though
23:24 <+Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, /bin/laden
23:24 <noob> hahaha
23:24 <+Lucifer_arma> that wasn't it, but I've used that one before
23:25 <noob> Stop it guys this is an international competition , we need countries, if u dont like it then dont participe, but if u want to participe u have to agree our rules.If u decide to keep this "country", i have to inform you that on the brakets will be only real countries.
23:25 <noob> i wanna bet psyko did that
23:25 <noob> lmao
23:26 <luke-jr_> wtf
23:26 <noob> who added our names to canada and the U.S ?
23:26 * noob removes his name from U.S.
23:26 <luke-jr_> international competitions don't need to be by country
23:26 <noob> i refuse to play on psykos team
23:27 <noob> luke-jr_, put your name under rebellious states of the world
23:27 <noob> xD
23:27 <luke-jr_> go ahead
23:27 <noob> you do it :p
23:27 <noob> Lucifer_arma, you want your name removed from the U.S. team?
23:29 <luke-jr_> maybe I'll go down under Old Afghanistan
23:29 <noob> lol
23:29 <luke-jr_> or Old Italy =p
23:29 <+wrtlprnft> can't we just put psyko on another team or kick him out and stop this sh**?
23:30 * noob thinks wrtl did it now
23:30 * noob checks history
23:30 <+Lucifer_arma> I removed myself and added more to the blurb
23:30 * wrtlprnft only did one edit on that page today
23:30 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=13917&oldid=13916#Poland <-- my only change
23:31 <noob> it was
23:31 <noob> either xevic
23:31 <noob> or ady
23:31 <noob> lol
23:31 <+wrtlprnft> which one do you mean?
23:31 <+wrtlprnft> xevic put '''Dudes u are in usa and canada, i put u there when i removed the country, what is this shit? Anjori are you from quebec? And u luci? u are from texas, what is that? Maybe i have to join u, jajajajj, Catalunya! Catalunya!, jjajajajajajajjaajajjajajajaj'''
23:31 <noob> they was the only ones to to edit the page after us
23:32 <+wrtlprnft> and ady changed that to '''Stop it guys this is an international competition , we need countries, if u dont like it then dont participe, but if u want to participe u have to agree our rules.If u decide to keep this "country", i have to inform you that on the brakets will be only real countries.
23:32 <+wrtlprnft> orion didn't do anything
23:32 <+wrtlprnft> or, well, he added some harmless detail to his name, that's it
23:32 <+wrtlprnft> that's all since Lucifer_arma re-added that country
23:33 <+wrtlprnft> #dict participe
23:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No definition for "participe" could be found.
23:33 <+wrtlprnft> ... i knew that was wrong, participate :D
23:33 <+Lucifer_arma> the Luci put: Why do your rules include automatically putting people on teams they don't want to be on? I don't want to be on the US team, period. If this is a "voluntary" competition with rules, what are the rules? I don't get to volunteer for the team I want to play on, and you don't seem to have any rules for what makes a "real" country. (more)
23:33 <+Lucifer_arma> participe is french, or latin-based at least, isn't it?
23:33 <+wrtlprnft> well
23:33 <+wrtlprnft> this is an english page
23:34 <madmax|pt> z-man, bug in fort, Sasha crashed on a wall and his trail continued
23:34 <madmax|pt> for a bit
23:34 <noob> wrtlprnft, it is english
23:34 <+Lucifer_arma> you playing off the trunk?
23:34 <+wrtlprnft> uh, and participe doesn't mean participate
23:34 <noob> it means volunteer :p
23:34 <noob> 'er
23:34 <noob> take part in
23:34 <noob> my bad
23:34 <+Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: you playing off the trunk?
23:34 <madmax|pt> no
23:34 <madmax|pt> .2.8
23:34 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok, nvm
23:34 <+Lucifer_arma> (there's a rendering bug on the trunk right now that looks similar to what you described)
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> noob: there's participle, but that's something totally different
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> #google spell participe
23:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
23:35 <+Lucifer_arma> Is this a political competition or not? <--- Luci again. Heh.
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> yeah, tons of french resoults
23:35 <+wrtlprnft> *results
23:35 * Lucifer_arma notes that there's a whole lot of politics around the Olympics, and they claim to be politically neutral as well
23:36 <+Lucifer_arma> is anjori quebecoise?
23:37 <+wrtlprnft> dunno
23:37 <+wrtlprnft> canada could use some players :S
23:37 <noob> should we remove him from canada?
23:37 <noob> or wait and let him do it O_o
23:37 <+Lucifer_arma> should probably let him do it
23:37 <+Lucifer_arma> anjori|away: they put you on Canada, in case you didn't notice
23:37 <+wrtlprnft> but of course, the french canadians don't want to belong to canada
23:37 <+Lucifer_arma> right. Neither do many Texans. :)
23:37 <noob> Lucifer_arma, if it comes to it we could always join canada.....then vanhayes would have a feild day
23:37 <noob> hahaha
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> well, I'm very unlikely to actually play, and we're not going to have a large enough team anyway
23:38 <+wrtlprnft> can you guys please leave log messages? the history already is a mess with all the noobs
23:38 <noob> Lucifer_arma, i can get more people if needed :>
23:38 <+wrtlprnft> anyways, xevic put anjori|away on canada
23:39 <noob> besides
23:39 <noob> me and anjori can handle them ;D
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> and if there's more changes with "/* <span style="background:#000;">Image:usflag01.gif<span style="color:#f00">United</span> <span style="color:#fff;">States of</span> <span style="color:#00f;">America</span> [[Image:usflag01.gif])" as log message I'll remove all those f** colors
23:40 <noob> hahahaha
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> colors and images don't have a right to be in headings!
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> links are somewhat OK, though bad style
23:40 <noob> wrtlprnft, i'll give you $10 to put a big ass air conditioner in the window
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> ?
23:40 <+Lucifer_arma> I won't play for a team that uses an annoying animated gif for it's banner
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> lol
23:41 <noob> wrtlprnft, i carried it from the car,up the stairs and took it out the box
23:41 <noob> all you gotta do is put it in the window
23:41 <noob> XD
23:41 <noob> and make the seal
23:41 <noob> so it stays
23:41 <+Lucifer_arma> the only international tournament I'm willing to play in is one where we put together teams in regions and compete for a regional title and then go on to the international part
23:41 <+wrtlprnft> haha, don't park your car beneath it
23:41 <+Lucifer_arma> I absolutely do not, under any circumstances, want to be stuck on a team with other USians.
23:41 <noob> O_O
23:42 <+Lucifer_arma> face it, most of the US players on fortress are smegheads
23:42 <+wrtlprnft> many of the german ones, too :S
23:42 <noob> Lucifer_arma, i agree, manta and goody are the only ones i'm willing to play with
23:42 <+Lucifer_arma> that may include me, I never said I wasn't a smeghead :)
23:43 * wrtlprnft remembers that Lucifer_arma launched a team originally galled fighting smagheads
23:43 <+wrtlprnft> *called O_o
23:43 <noob> lol
23:43 <+Lucifer_arma> :)
23:43 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, I called someone a smeghead the other night and got accused of A) being British and B) watching too much telly
23:44 <+wrtlprnft> being british is not an accusation, at least if you're american
23:44 * wrtlprnft runs away
23:44 * wrtlprnft hides behind armabot
23:45 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer_arma
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> hahahaha
23:45 <noob> lies
23:45 <+Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER: See Lucifer_arma
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> useless one
23:45 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh
23:46 <noob> it's not a alias though
23:46 <noob> ;p
23:46 <+Lucifer_arma> both are useless, but since #wtf searches and there can't be any false-positives, it's harmless :)
23:46 <+Lucifer_arma> what annoyed me about the aliases was that to find the 6-8 good ones you had to wade through two dumps of useless ones
23:46 <+wrtlprnft> as if anyone would say #dotdotdot by accident
23:46 <+Lucifer_arma> which made the good ones useless, for all intents and purposes
23:46 <+wrtlprnft> #list alias
23:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
23:47 <+wrtlprnft> heh, dotdotdot is still there, nvm
23:47 <+Lucifer_arma> well, to find #message, you had to read #dotdotdot, #s, #canada, #canada2, #lucifer and a whole bunch of others
23:47 <+wrtlprnft> as if that was an important one
23:47 * noob likes #lucifer
23:47 <+wrtlprnft> #list herald
23:47 <noob> :(
23:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, change, default, get, and remove
23:47 <+wrtlprnft> #help herald add
23:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (herald add [<channel>] <user|nick> <msg>) -- Sets the herald message for <user> (or the user <nick|hostmask> is currently identified or recognized as) to <msg>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:47 <+Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft hi there
23:47 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:47 <+wrtlprnft> asd
23:48 <+wrtlprnft> what's the difference to #tell?
23:48 <+Lucifer_arma> well, it's #later tell, iirc
23:48 <+wrtlprnft> yeah, that's what i meant
23:48 <+wrtlprnft> #herald add Lucifer_arma test
23:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:48 <+wrtlprnft> #herald add Lucifer_arma test2
23:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:49 <+wrtlprnft> did you get both?
23:49 <+Lucifer_arma> no
23:49 <+wrtlprnft> any?
23:49 <+Lucifer_arma> herald is on leaves and joins
23:49 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has left #armagetron ["Core dumped!"]
23:49 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:49 <armabot> test2
23:49 <+wrtlprnft> haha, lost your voice status
23:49 <noob> ?
23:49 * wrtlprnft is voiced, notable by the annoying + in irssi
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma, I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
23:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:50 <+wrtlprnft> and that comes every time?
23:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's a yellow gem here
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> let's see
23:50 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has left #armagetron ["Core dumped!"]
23:50 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:50 <noob> owned
23:50 <luke-jr_> lol
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> awww
23:50 <+wrtlprnft> #herald lis
23:50 <+wrtlprnft> #herald list
23:50 <+wrtlprnft> #list herald
23:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, change, default, get, and remove
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #list herald
23:50 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, default, get, and remove
23:50 <+wrtlprnft> #herald get
23:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> #herald get Lucifer_arma
23:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma, I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it times how long you're gone
23:51 <+wrtlprnft> #herald get
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no herald for wrtlprnft.
23:51 <luke-jr_> haha
23:51 <+wrtlprnft> #herald add wrtlprnft blah
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:51 <+wrtlprnft> #herald get
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: blah
23:51 <+wrtlprnft> #herald get
23:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: blah
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
23:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I can't find I'm in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
23:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:51 <+wrtlprnft> ah, this works on users registered to armabot!
23:51 <noob> no
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> #herald get
23:52 <noob> watch
23:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> @ignore noob
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> (heh)
23:52 <noob> #herald add #armagetron noob i love you
23:52 <armabot> noob: Error: I can't find noob in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
23:52 <noob> ???
23:52 <noob> bah
23:52 <+wrtlprnft> toldya
23:52 <noob> anyways that's how you do it
23:52 <+wrtlprnft> it's talking about its user DB
23:52 <+wrtlprnft> pwned
23:53 * noob doesn't feel like registering
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> prawned
23:53 <noob> lucifer do this
23:53 <noob> #herald add #armagetron lucifer texthere
23:53 <armabot> noob: Error: I can't find lucifer in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
23:53 <noob> gr
23:53 -!- noob is now known as spidey
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/namefile.txt
23:54 <+wrtlprnft> ?
23:54 <+wrtlprnft> wtf is that?
23:54 <spidey> ok got it
23:54 <spidey> now lets go play
23:54 <spidey> :D
23:54 <spidey> wait
23:54 <spidey> did you use the ascii in mine?
23:55 <spidey> i'ma remove it if you didn't
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait, I still need to add the names from yours
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: spidey: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&curid=2471&diff=13931&oldid=13930&rcid=12911
23:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft, autoname generating script thingy
23:57 <+wrtlprnft> well
23:57 <+wrtlprnft> canada is one country
23:57 <+wrtlprnft> there are currently 3 players in the list
23:57 * spidey adds "we exsist in antartica"
23:57 <spidey> xD
23:57 <+wrtlprnft> so canada is as much of a country as thr rebellious states?!
23:58 <spidey> guess so
23:58 <+wrtlprnft> wow
23:58 <+wrtlprnft> nice definition
23:58 <+wrtlprnft> and nice he noticed this is not a forum
23:58 <+wrtlprnft> there's a talk page, no place for edit wars
23:58 <+wrtlprnft> you can get temporarily banned from wikipedia for that
23:59 * spidey has been banned from wikipedia
23:59 <spidey> by host name to, they banned .charter.net
23:59 <luke-jr_> lol, doubt it
23:59 <+wrtlprnft> spidey has been banned for everything for being a stupid littel kiddie :P
23:59 <+wrtlprnft> *from
Log from 2006-07-14:
--- Day changed Fri Jul 14 2006
00:00 <+wrtlprnft> **from everyhing
00:00 <spidey> lies
00:00 <spidey> i can't even remember what i got banned for
00:00 <spidey> but i did
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> haha
00:01 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: tell me when you're finished editing, I'll move that shit to the talk page after
00:01 <spidey> i'm not editing
00:01 <spidey> :p
00:01 <spidey> all i've done is add my name and remove it from the us
00:01 <+wrtlprnft> i thought you wanted to add something, never mind then
00:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, done with your word list?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> nah, leave it there for a little longer and then I'll just delete the whole section
00:02 <luke-jr_> you'd need to ban all Time Warner *and* Earthlink in Kansas City to get rid of me
00:02 <luke-jr_> and even then, I have my ways
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> but AdyLucifer needs to read the policy page before he does any more serious editing
00:03 <+wrtlprnft> i just don't want too many crazy edits on the main page, I'll move the comment stuff, too
00:03 <madmax|pt> people just don't adapt fast in double def
00:03 <spidey> me and max own at double def
00:04 <spidey> don't we :)
00:04 <madmax|pt> i was inner def, and to freak the other guy out i just inverted my def with speed, the guy totally lost it
00:04 <spidey> lol
00:04 <madmax|pt> he start going round and round and...
00:04 <spidey> boom?
00:04 <madmax|pt> then he said, "i thought you died"
00:04 <madmax|pt> yea boom too
00:05 <madmax|pt> and yes i think we kind of pwn at double def
00:05 <madmax|pt> lol
00:05 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@wxpp-p-144-138-186-238.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #armagetron
00:05 <spidey> ;D
00:05 <Lizz> morning :/
00:05 <spidey> we haven't got beaten at it yet
00:05 <spidey> ;)
00:05 * spidey pokes Lizz
00:05 * Lizz bites his poker
00:06 <spidey> O_o
00:06 <Lizz> :P
00:06 <madmax|pt> what's the time there Lizz?
00:06 <spidey> morning
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> some of the weird names didn't make it, I'm going to remove them for now
00:06 <Lizz> its to early for such nonsence :P
00:06 <Lizz> 8am
00:06 <spidey> k
00:06 <spidey> just post what you're using and i'll use it
00:06 * Lizz ties a bow around spiders poker
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, refresh the page
00:07 <spidey> we need wrtl, max , anjori , and someother to use it to
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: want to use a random name every time you start arma?
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> random colors, too
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: ?
00:07 <madmax|pt> i like my "M&Ms"
00:07 <madmax|pt> lol
00:07 <Lizz> heh
00:07 <madmax|pt> i could use it sometimes
00:07 <madmax|pt> :D
00:07 <spidey> ,.?'?.,.?'?.,
00:07 <spidey> that isn't to long ?
00:08 <spidey> it is
00:08 <spidey> lol
00:08 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: do you offer random instant chats too?
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go grab a smoke, but I'll post a tarball real quick with the scripts I've got
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> you should be able to just copy them into your path somewhere and have it work
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: not yet, but it would be nice. :)
00:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, make a list of instantchats and you should
00:08 <spidey> i could probably edit lucis script to do it
00:08 <madmax|pt> the scripts edits the config file then runs the game right?
00:09 <+wrtlprnft> you know, have a fixed key for "defense down", but a random chat
00:09 <madmax|pt> -s
00:09 <spidey> mmm
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/namer.tar.gz <-- decompress this somewhere in your path
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> then create ~/.armagetronad/var/namefile.txt
00:09 <+wrtlprnft> sec, currently messing with the wiki
00:09 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, actually
00:09 <spidey> it might not work from them
00:10 <spidey> i had to change some stuff
00:10 <spidey> word="`python /usr/bin/namepicker.py`"
00:10 <spidey> for one
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: actually, I updated the part that depends on the home directory to do os.path.expanduser("~/") instead
00:10 <spidey> because it wouldn't work the otherway
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> ah
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> you needed to chmod namepicker.py +x
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> which should be fine in the tarball I just posted
00:10 <spidey> mm
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> 755 should be the right permissions for that file
00:11 <spidey> well i've done changed it so all i gotta do is bash arma.py
00:11 <luke-jr_> 1777
00:11 <+wrtlprnft> haha
00:11 <+wrtlprnft> but sXid won't work with scripts
00:12 <luke-jr_> that's not sXid
00:12 <+wrtlprnft> sticky?
00:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, k got your word file
00:12 <luke-jr_> something liek that
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a go smoke, then start dinner, so we'll have to go play tonight or something
00:13 <+wrtlprnft> i'll go to bed soon
00:13 <spidey> k
00:13 <Lizz> O.o just found a server where i have 105 ping :D
00:13 <spidey> O_o
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> the one in japan?
00:13 <spidey> wtf,lol
00:13 <Lizz> not japan
00:13 <+wrtlprnft> Lizz: localhost?
00:13 <spidey> which one?
00:13 <Lizz> DAFH or something
00:14 <luke-jr_> that's possible for dialup?
00:14 <spidey> isdn
00:14 <Lizz> thats what i had :D
00:14 <Lizz> come play with me spider
00:14 <spidey> comin
00:14 <luke-jr_> not me?
00:14 <Lizz> 6ay
00:14 <luke-jr_> :(
00:14 <Lizz> yay come too luke
00:15 <Lizz> :)
00:15 <luke-jr_> where
00:15 <Lizz> DAFH i think its called
00:15 <Lizz> something like that
00:15 <spidey> i'm in
00:15 <spidey> hhahahah
00:15 <spidey> that script picked lucifer
00:15 <spidey> xD
00:16 <spidey> 4 rubber lol
00:16 <spidey> Lizz, where ua at?>
00:16 <luke-jr_> actually, think I'm gonna watch X-files instead
00:28 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:International_Tron_World_Cup#Color_useage_.2F_United_States_of_America
00:28 <+wrtlprnft> finally something you can actually somewhat read
00:36 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thumbnail generation is broken again
00:36 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: probably the wrong permissions on the cache dir
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
00:38 <+wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup <-- looks better now imho
00:38 <+wrtlprnft> except for the missing spain flag since the wiki can't resize it
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, maybe I don't have imagemagick installed :)
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> emerging now
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I need to emerge postfix too so the wiki can send notifications again
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> if I unmask gcc 4.1, how do I get my machine to rebuild the whole system and not keep around old libraries built with earlier gcc?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
00:44 <+wrtlprnft> emerge -e system && emerge -e world
00:45 <+wrtlprnft> but that takes a looong time
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00:45 <+wrtlprnft> #later tell lu* and then you need to unmerge the old gcc version, and don't forget to switch to the new profile first!
00:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:46 <+wrtlprnft> and no, luke-jr_, don't say a word until luci is back!
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00:50 <armabot> I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
00:51 * Lucifer_arma kisses armabot
00:51 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: say something
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> something
00:51 <+wrtlprnft> uh, there's a howto somewhere anyways
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> I got part of that
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, trying to get my gentoo partition to boot
00:52 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit]
00:52 <spidey> awe
00:52 <spidey> i was owning you too
00:52 <spidey> Lizz = deadly with a 101 ping
00:52 <spidey> O-o
00:52 <Lizz> omg that was FUN!!!
00:52 <spidey> lol
00:53 <Lizz> it disconnected me spider
00:53 <spidey> sme too
00:53 <Lizz> oooh i luv 101 ping
00:53 <spidey> lol
00:53 <Lizz> pwn du :P
00:53 <+wrtlprnft> #later tell luc* http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_GCC_4.0_Testing_Tips <-- that's for gcc 4.0, dunno if 4.1 is in portage yet
00:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:53 <Lizz> brb
00:54 <+mkzelda> 4.1 is in portage, as is 4.2.0
00:54 <+mkzelda> i dont suggest 4.2.0 as i cant get boost to compile with it
00:55 <+mkzelda> its an alpha build from a month ago
00:55 <+wrtlprnft> yeah, i'm not that adventurous
00:55 <+mkzelda> this machine has ~400 packages, all w/ 4.2.0 all fine
00:55 <+mkzelda> just boost
00:55 <+mkzelda> seg faults on configure
00:55 <+wrtlprnft> anyways
00:55 <+mkzelda> er
00:55 <+wrtlprnft> #night
00:55 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:55 <+mkzelda> after
00:55 <+wrtlprnft> 1am here
00:56 <+mkzelda> heh
00:56 <+mkzelda> later
00:56 <Lizz> awwwwwwwwwww if only i could host a fort server :(
00:58 <spidey> hahah
00:58 <spidey> i'm putting a normal fortress server up
00:58 <spidey> anyone know the 2.5 rule thing?
00:58 <spidey> wall shrink or something isn't it?
00:58 <Lizz> but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i want a 101 ping :P
01:00 <Lizz> spider its back up wanna go play again?
01:01 <spidey> sec
01:01 <Lizz> kk
01:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eh?
01:07 <madmax|pt> i think he meant lucifer
01:07 <luke-jr_> Lizz: could use my server
01:08 <Lizz> oooo?
01:08 <Lizz> luke u should come try this server out
01:08 <Lizz> :)
01:09 <Lizz> u 2 maxeeee
01:10 <madmax|pt> err.. me?
01:10 <Lizz> yeah :)
01:10 <madmax|pt> im about to go to bed
01:10 <spidey> mm
01:10 <spidey> i can't figure out what to say on the wiki
01:10 <madmax|pt> this is not GMT+9 you know? :P
01:10 <Lizz> awww bugga .. lol nvm some other time :)
01:10 <spidey> without saying all but 2 of the U.S. pplayers are dumbfucks
01:10 <Lizz> +10 :P
01:10 <madmax|pt> or that :P
01:10 <Lizz> lol
01:11 <Lizz> 12 11 am there max?
01:11 <madmax|pt> yep...
01:11 <Lizz> ;-)
01:11 <spidey> why aren't you in school!!!!!
01:11 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:11 <Lizz> its the middle of the nite there lol
01:11 <spidey> ggkthnxbbq
01:12 <spidey> so!?!?!
01:12 <Lizz> lmao
01:12 <Lizz> i feel like porridge
01:12 * spidey finds a place to host a teamspeak server
01:13 <Lizz> :)
01:13 <spidey> i would put it on the webserver,but i'm scared to
01:13 <spidey> lol
01:13 <Lizz> lol
01:13 <spidey> it crashes with 2 tron servers running
01:13 <Lizz> mmm
01:13 <spidey> so who knows what it'll do
01:13 <Lizz> blow everything up prolly
01:13 <spidey> mmm
01:13 <spidey> if i could remember my address i'd buy 2 shells
01:13 <spidey> but i can't, lmao
01:13 <Lizz> o.O
01:13 <Lizz> just go down the beach and pick one up
01:14 <spidey> :|
01:14 <Lizz> :P
01:14 * spidey slaps Lizz
01:14 * Lizz likes it
01:14 <spidey> O_o
01:14 <Lizz> lol
01:14 <spidey> madmax|pt, lizz is calling your name
01:14 <Lizz> "likes it" is maxeees name?
01:14 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:15 <Lizz> O.o
01:16 <Lizz> <~~~~~~~~~ should call madmax , mel gibson
01:16 <madmax|pt> o.O
01:16 <Lizz> u dont kno that film?
01:17 <madmax|pt> that would be funny
01:17 <madmax|pt> i do
01:17 <Lizz> great movie..
01:17 <Lizz> will call ya that.. lol when im under diff nics ull kno its me :P
01:18 <Lizz> brb need coffee
01:18 <madmax|pt> lol
01:18 <madmax|pt> kk
01:19 <spidey> brb
01:19 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt
01:19 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a thick tongueful of bootless snouts.
01:19 <spidey> ok now brb
01:23 <madmax|pt> heh
01:23 <spidey> lol
01:23 <spidey> icecream ;x
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01:25 <madmax|pt> 28 degrees @ 0:24 aka 12:24AM
01:25 <armabot> I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
01:25 <madmax|pt> this is bad
01:25 <spidey> lol
01:26 <spidey> how is it bad?
01:26 <madmax|pt> maybe because it's too DAMN HOT?
01:26 <spidey> when i get the airconditoner in the windor it'll br 28 degrees in my room
01:26 <spidey> HOT!?!?!?!
01:26 <spidey> you must mean celceus
01:26 <Lizz> ewwwwwwwww is only 5C here :D
01:27 <spidey> #g 28c in f
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> ?
01:27 <armabot> 28 degrees Celsius = 82.4 degrees Fahrenheit
01:27 <spidey> that is hot
01:27 <Lizz> yuck too hot
01:27 <madmax|pt> doh
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok. hi armabot. *kiss*
01:27 <spidey> for 12:24 am
01:27 <madmax|pt> see
01:27 * Lizz is glad she is in winter
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01:27 <madmax|pt> http://weather.edition.cnn.com/weather/intl/forecast.jsp?locCode=LPPT
01:27 <madmax|pt> #weather Lisbon
01:27 <madmax|pt> this aint loaded right?
01:27 <spidey> lol
01:28 * Lizz runs off to tron
01:28 <madmax|pt> guess not
01:28 <madmax|pt> well, good night/morning/day-in-general
01:28 <spidey> #cnn lisbon
01:28 <madmax|pt> o_o
01:29 <spidey> #list
01:29 <armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
01:29 <spidey> nope
01:29 <spidey> #list news
01:29 <armabot> spidey: add, change, news, old, and remove
01:29 <spidey> #list Praise
01:29 <armabot> spidey: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
01:29 <spidey> #praise spidey
01:29 * armabot gives spidey the Medal of Not Sucking
01:29 <spidey> :D
01:30 <madmax|pt> thats cheating
01:30 <spidey> /me gives his team the Medal of Sucking
01:30 <madmax|pt> lol
01:30 <Lizz> nite melG
01:30 <spidey> that's gonna be one of my instant chats
01:30 <madmax|pt> going to bed
01:30 <spidey> cya
01:31 <madmax|pt> wait
01:31 <spidey> ?
01:31 <Lizz> ?
01:31 <madmax|pt> #insult spidey
01:31 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a weather-bitten assload of acidic gunk.
01:31 <Lizz> lmao
01:31 <madmax|pt> ok
01:31 <madmax|pt> lol
01:31 <spidey> LOL
01:31 <madmax|pt> gnight
01:31 <Lizz> nite
01:31 * madmax|pt is away: Sleep
01:32 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt
01:32 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a headless coagulation of sausage-snorfling chicken.
01:32 <Lizz> rofl
01:32 <madmax|pt> i saw that
01:32 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt "<armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a headless coagulation of sausage-snorfling chicken"--owned
01:32 <armabot> madmax|pt <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a headless coagulation of sausage-snorfling chicken --owned - You are nothing but a half-faced plate of mammering dog.
01:32 <spidey> well damn
01:32 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:32 <spidey> #later tell madmax|pt "<armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a headless coagulation of sausage-snorfling chicken"--owned
01:32 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
01:32 <Lizz> heh
01:32 <spidey> k
01:32 <spidey> oh,you're still here :/
01:33 <madmax|pt> lol
01:33 <madmax|pt> now im going
01:33 <Lizz> nite mel
01:33 <spidey> you sure?
01:34 <madmax|pt> yeah, you can do the #later thing at will
01:34 <spidey> lol
01:48 <spidey> mmm
01:48 <spidey> r = 78
01:48 <spidey> g = 17
01:48 <spidey> and b = 114
01:48 * spidey goes to try it
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01:50 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good irc client for gentoo to run in a terminal?
01:50 <spidey> irc client ?
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
01:50 <spidey> irc client....
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> found I have to emerge x still, emerging kde didn't get all of x
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm stuck in a terminal until that's done. but at least I got the wireless going!
01:50 <spidey> IRC CLIENT!
01:51 * spidey sighs
01:51 <spidey> the name of the program
01:51 <spidey> is irc client
01:51 <spidey> duh!
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have an irc client installed now, duh, but it really really sucks.
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> no nick list, for one
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's old school, that's for sure, heh
01:52 <spidey> lol
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, since I"m in a terminal, no progress report on the x emerge :(
01:53 * Lucifer_arma feels like he fell back into 1990
01:53 <spidey> lol
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> if this thing fires up with twm, I'm gonna scream
01:54 <+mkzelda> spidey, who are the 2 us tronners that arent dumbfucks?
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> in that international tournament, or just in general?
01:55 <spidey> i'm talking about the IT
01:55 <+mkzelda> oh
01:55 <+mkzelda> hehe
01:55 <spidey> and they are goody and manta
01:55 <+mkzelda> manta is us?
01:55 <spidey> ya
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> california
01:55 <+mkzelda> i always figured elsehwere cause 450 ping all the time
01:55 <spidey> dialup
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> dialup
01:55 <+mkzelda> oh
01:56 <spidey> ok
01:56 <spidey> gotta restart X
01:56 <spidey> maybe
01:56 <spidey> i can't find the mepis os center
01:56 <spidey> grrr
01:57 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: irssi
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> ty luke-jr
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> emerging now
01:58 <luke-jr_> using telnet?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> nah, some other one I forgot its name lready
01:58 <luke-jr_> heh
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> not irc-client from irc.org
01:58 <luke-jr_> irssi doesn't have a userlist either
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01:58 <luke-jr_> it just shows names when you join
01:58 <+mkzelda> i only heard about this world cup like a couple days ago
01:59 <luke-jr_> BTW, thanks all here for trying X.org 7
01:59 <luke-jr_> I learned to avoid it before I started ;)
02:00 <+mkzelda> whats wrong with it?
02:00 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
02:00 <spidey> Composite extension not found
02:00 <spidey> You must use XOrg ? 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work.
02:00 <spidey> Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file:
02:00 <spidey> Section "Extensions"
02:00 <spidey> Option "Composite" "Enable"
02:00 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: lol, you haven't paid much attention?
02:00 <spidey> EndSection
02:00 <spidey> that means?
02:00 <+mkzelda> i guess not
02:00 <+mkzelda> seems to work for me
02:00 <+mkzelda> on all my machines
02:00 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: well, for example, Lucifer lacks X now due to it
02:00 <luke-jr_> someone mentioned a significant framerate drop
02:00 <luke-jr_> etc
02:00 <spidey> no
02:01 <spidey> actually
02:01 <spidey> it works
02:01 <+mkzelda> i have a significant framerate increase
02:01 <spidey> it's just apt-get and i guess emerge don't unclude ALL packages
02:01 <luke-jr_> spidey: oh?
02:01 <spidey> but for me when i formatted tot he updated mepis
02:01 <spidey> it comes with 7.0
02:01 <spidey> and
02:01 <spidey> i get 80fps
02:01 <spidey> ;x
02:01 <luke-jr_> you don't format *to* anything
02:01 <+mkzelda> i get ~900fps
02:01 <+mkzelda> :D
02:01 <luke-jr_> except a blank filesystem
02:01 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: 320x240? =p
02:02 <spidey> ok mr techniqual
02:02 <+mkzelda> 1280x1024
02:02 <spidey> you know what i ment
02:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: wasn't aware such a card existed
02:02 * spidey goes back to configuring kde
02:02 <+mkzelda> you werent paying much attention
02:02 <+mkzelda> then
02:02 <spidey> hahahahahaha
02:02 <luke-jr_> Matrox?
02:02 <+mkzelda> tainted nvidia
02:02 <luke-jr_> or Intel?
02:02 <luke-jr_> tainted doesn't count >:O
02:02 <+mkzelda> sure it does
02:02 <luke-jr_> nope
02:02 <+mkzelda> yep
02:03 <luke-jr_> immoral and illegal
02:03 <luke-jr_> tho it's the company at fault, but still
02:03 <+mkzelda> omg, im gonna go to jail
02:03 <spidey> LOL
02:03 <+mkzelda> go steal some cable
02:03 <luke-jr_> no, nVidia's gonna pay a fine or settle-- if anyone bothers to finally sue them
02:04 <luke-jr_> too bad they don't violate my copyright
02:04 <luke-jr_> I'd certainly go after them
02:04 <+mkzelda> since it doesnt count, its not illegal or immoral
02:05 <+mkzelda> do you play dvds in linux?
02:05 <+mkzelda> or mp3s?
02:05 <luke-jr_> sure
02:05 <spidey> i don't
02:05 <+mkzelda> ok, then stop talking
02:05 <luke-jr_> no
02:05 <luke-jr_> =p
02:05 <spidey> i burn them then play them on the stereo
02:05 <+mkzelda> its the same thing
02:05 <spidey> does that count?
02:05 <luke-jr_> completely different
02:05 <+mkzelda> if by different you mean same, then ya, totally
02:06 <spidey> luke-jr_, that's like zop saying center attacks are boring for the team,but double grinding owns
02:06 <luke-jr_> nope
02:06 <+mkzelda> in order to have a player that plays dvds, you must apply for the css code
02:06 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: or just use existing CSS code
02:06 <+mkzelda> there is no open legal decss
02:07 <luke-jr_> I don't care much about legal
02:07 <+mkzelda> this has already been to courts
02:07 <+mkzelda> sure you do
02:07 <luke-jr_> nope
02:07 <+mkzelda> you just blasted me for it
02:07 <+mkzelda> only when things pertain to you is it okay
02:07 <+mkzelda> everyone must live by your code
02:07 <luke-jr_> No, I was blasting nVidia for their immorality, and mentioning the legality because it matters to more people
02:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't care about either, I want fast graphics
02:07 <+mkzelda> so quick to judge, but will admit doing exactly the same things
02:08 <luke-jr_> lol
02:08 <+mkzelda> i know i own a dvd rom and a computer and im gonna play my dvds
02:08 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: nope, I don't use immoral software unless forced to
02:08 <+mkzelda> i know i own a video card and im gonna use it
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> but for decoding, the patent is clear, a free license has been given
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> libmad is even gpl. It's encoding mp3s that you have to get a patent license for
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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02:09 <luke-jr_> Patents are unjust laws, and thus have no binding
02:09 <nemostultae> only in Europe.
02:10 <+mkzelda> Do as i say not as i do
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02:11 <Lucifer_arma> re
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> y'all say something
02:11 <nemostultae> I'm speechless.
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> ty
02:11 <luke-jr_> Patents are unjust laws, and thus have no binding
02:11 <spidey> you shouldn't have said anything
02:12 <luke-jr_> pfft
02:13 <+mkzelda> so why is it that my 900fps dont count? they seem to be right there in the top right of the screen, counting
02:13 <luke-jr_> you're using immoral drivers
02:14 <+mkzelda> ?
02:14 <+mkzelda> im also breathing air
02:14 <spidey> #dict immoral
02:14 <armabot> spidey: wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Immoral \Im*mor"al\, a. [Pref. im- not + moral: cf. F. immoral.] Not moral; inconsistent with rectitude, purity, or good morals; contrary to conscience or the divine law; wicked; unjust; dishonest; vicious; licentious; as, an immoral man; an immoral deed. Syn: Wicked; sinful; criminal; vicious; unjust; dishonest; depraved; impure; (6 more messages)
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's like saying that sex before marriage means you're still a virgin
02:14 <+mkzelda> u wanna answer the question?
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> licentious is a cool word
02:15 <+mkzelda> wow i didnt realize god said thou shalt not nvidia
02:15 <spidey> lol
02:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, it's like says sex outside of marriage doesn't count as having sex
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> right, either way you're fucked
02:16 <+mkzelda> why do you support exactly what someone says
02:16 <+mkzelda> as if you're the first to say it?
02:16 <+mkzelda> and never actually answer anything?
02:17 <luke-jr_> depending on the definition used for words, rephrasing can be more specific
02:17 <+mkzelda> you said hte same thing he said, only to your benefit, but somehow it wasnt valid when he said it?
02:17 <+mkzelda> yes, but you're agreeing w/ someone who was using a counter-arguement, which counters yourself
02:17 <luke-jr_> just because you haven't had real sex doesn't mean you're a virgin
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> but virgin means "unmarried"
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> so if you have sex before you're married, you're still a virgin
02:18 <luke-jr_> if you define virgin as unmarried, sure
02:18 <luke-jr_> most people don't
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> #dict virgin
02:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: gazetteer, foldoc, gcide, easton, wn, jargon, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: gazetteer: Virgin, UT (town, FIPS 80530) Location: 37.20083 N, 113.19852 W Population (1990): 229 (82 housing units) Area: 3.2 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water); gcide: Virgin \Vir"gin\, v. i. To act the virgin; to be or keep chaste; -- followed by it. See {It}, 5. [Obs.] "My true lip (16 more messages)
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: hath virgined it e'er since [that kiss]." --Shak. [1913 Webster]; jargon: virgin adj. Unused; pristine; in a known initial state. "Let's bring up a virgin system and see if it crashes again." (Esp. useful after contracting a {virus} through {SEX}.) Also, by extension, buffers and the like within a program that have not yet been used; foldoc: virgin Unused; pristine; in a known (15 more messages)
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: initial state. "Let's bring up a virgin system and see if it crashes again." (Especially useful after contracting a {virus} through {SEX}.) Also, by extension, buffers and the like within a program that have not yet been used. [{Jargon File}] (1994-11-30); easton: Virgin In a prophecy concerning our Lord, Isaiah (7:14) says, "A virgin [R.V. marg., 'the virgin'] shall conceive, and (14 more messages)
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: bear a son" (comp. Luke 1:31-35). The people of the land of Zidon are thus referred to by Isaiah (23:12), "O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon;" and of the people of Israel, Jeremiah (18:13) says, "The virgin of Israel hath done a very horrible thing."; gaz-place: Virgin, UT -- U.S. town in Utah Population (2000): 394 Housing Units (2000): 170 Land area (2000): 11.918820 sq. (13 more messages)
02:19 <Lizz> thats too much to read lol
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> keep up girl
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: miles (30.869601 sq. km) Water area (2000): 0.000000 sq. miles (0.000000 sq. km) Total area (2000): 11.918820 sq. miles (30.869601 sq. km) FIPS code: 80530 Located within: Utah (UT), FIPS 49 Location: 37.201620 N, 113.189617 W ZIP Codes (1990): Note: some ZIP codes may be omitted esp. for suburbs. Headwords: Virgin, UT Virgin; wn: virgin adj 1: being used or worked for the first (12 more messages)
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: time; "virgin wool" 2: in a state of sexual virginity; "pure and vestal modesty"; "a spinster or virgin lady"; "men have decreed that their women must be pure and virginal" [syn: {pure}, {vestal}, {virginal}, {virtuous}] n 1: a person who has never had sex 2: (astrology) a person who is born while the sun is in Virgo [syn: {Virgo}] 3: the sixth sign of the zodiac; the sun is in this (11 more messages)
02:19 <Lizz> good god loocee... O.O
02:19 <luke-jr_> ttyl
02:19 <spidey> hahah
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> ah, a person who is born while the sun is in virgo
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> that's what, October?
02:19 <+mkzelda> so, you're not going to answer?
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> or is it September?
02:20 <+mkzelda> still...?
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: quiet, I'm running him off
02:20 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: there's no unanswered questions
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sign from about August 23 to September 22 [syn: {Virgo}, {Virgo the Virgin}]; gcide: Virgin \Vir"gin\, a. 1. Being a virgin; chaste; of or pertaining to a virgin; becoming a virgin; maidenly; modest; indicating modesty; as, a virgin blush. "Virgin shame." --Cowley. [1913 Webster] Innocence and virgin modesty . . . That would be wooed, and unsought be won. --Milton. [1913 Webster] 2. (10 more messages)
02:20 <+mkzelda> there is the same unanswered question
02:20 <+mkzelda> i asked twice, which was me asking about a comment u made, that you've yet to support
02:20 * spidey loves this channel
02:20 <spidey> xD
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> #more
02:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Pure; undefiled; unmixed; fresh; new; as, virgin soil; virgin gold. "Virgin Dutch." --G. W. Cable. [1913 Webster] The white cold virgin snow upon my heart. --Shak. [1913 Webster] A few ounces of mutton, with a little virgin oil. --Landor. [1913 Webster] 3. Not yet pregnant; impregnant. --Milton. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Virgin \Vir"gin\, n. [L. virgo, -inis: cf. OF. virgine, virgene, (9 more messages)
02:20 <+mkzelda> i can copy paste if necessary
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, Not yet pregnant
02:20 <luke-jr_> go ahead, I'll copy and paste my answer
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's good enough for me
02:20 * Lizz gathers theres an arguement going on
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I AM A FUCKING VIRGIN
02:20 <luke-jr_> ROFL
02:21 <Lizz> in ur dreams
02:21 <nemostultae> F4
02:21 <+mkzelda> ok, but this time copy paste an answer to the question, not an answer to something else
02:21 <luke-jr_> Ctrl-L
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> hi Lizz :)
02:21 <spidey> /cls
02:21 * Lucifer_arma goes back to his bass
02:21 <Lizz> hiya looceee :)
02:21 <luke-jr_> cls is qbasic
02:21 <spidey> cls clears the screen
02:21 <spidey> duh
02:21 <+mkzelda> so why do my fps dont count?
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> they're not counting numbers?
02:22 <+mkzelda> haha
02:22 <luke-jr_> because you're using immoral drivers to achieve them
02:22 <spidey> mkzelda, luke can't count past 10
02:22 <+mkzelda> haha
02:22 <luke-jr_> just like overclocking a CPU for a speed test doesn't count
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> no he didn't, he took the derivative of the frames function with respect to time and got fps
02:22 <luke-jr_> unless you're testing overclocking speed of course
02:22 <+mkzelda> ooh wow
02:22 <+mkzelda> haha
02:23 <+mkzelda> i can never tell if you're serious
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> just wait, next he's going to take the derivative of fps and give you something that doesn't make sense
02:23 <spidey> lol
02:23 <luke-jr_> actually, that would be some kind of acceleration
02:23 <luke-jr_> which in theory should be 0
02:23 <+mkzelda> Why does using immoral drivers to achieve higher fps not count?
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, in theory it should be a constant
02:23 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: it's not an acceptable means to the goal
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> 0 would be nice and steady, but any constant is fine
02:24 <+mkzelda> says who?
02:24 <+mkzelda> you?
02:24 <spidey> so,when i used windows i used a custom driver for my monitor/on-board gfx and increase fps by 20
02:24 <nemostultae> I prefer to call it k.
02:24 <spidey> that didn't count?
02:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: What video card improves its framerate over time?
02:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: nothing counts in windows
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> eh? forgive me, I thought the goal here was to show how fast his computer was?
02:24 <+mkzelda> haha
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: well, actually, mine's a negative constant, framerate decreases with time
02:24 <spidey> luke-jr_, really? it doesn't?
02:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: strange
02:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: nope :)
02:24 <spidey> then why does my windows box do x2 the load that my nix box does?
02:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: that's why your opinion doesn't count
02:25 <spidey> because it doesn't count eg?
02:25 <spidey> eh?
02:25 <luke-jr_> LOL
02:25 <spidey> your opinion obviously doesn't count :)
02:25 <spidey> you're outnumbered :p
02:25 <luke-jr_> majority does not the truth make
02:25 <+mkzelda> Who says its an unacceptable means to a goal?
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's why catholics are all WRONG WRONG WRONG
02:25 <spidey> majority doesn't make the truth you mean?
02:26 <luke-jr_> NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r7: task do_package: started
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't count,, it's a cvs version
02:26 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Catholics are a minority
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> since it doesn't count, you still have to install another glibc afterwards
02:26 <luke-jr_> do not
02:26 <+mkzelda> yea
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if all your programs work fine with the cvs version, that doesn't count
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> you need an official release
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02:27 <luke-jr_> glibc doesn't (didn't?) have an official release
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's not my problem
02:27 <luke-jr_> unless they started doing those againj
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's not an acceptable means to the goal
02:27 <+mkzelda> thats immoral
02:27 <spidey> haha
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> it'll cause your system to be unstable
02:27 <luke-jr_> IRC is immoral too
02:28 <+mkzelda> this conversation doesnt count
02:28 <spidey> and standard IM ?
02:28 <luke-jr_> especially #anime
02:28 <luke-jr_> nope, it certainly doesn't
02:28 <luke-jr_> all ops in #anime are going to hell
02:28 <spidey> define doesn't count
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> did they kick you again?
02:28 <spidey> lol
02:29 <luke-jr_> doesn't count -- nVidia and #anime
02:29 <spidey> so
02:29 <+mkzelda> if everyone in heaven is like luke-jr_, i know where i'll choose my final vacation
02:29 <spidey> luke-jr_, doesn't count either?
02:29 <luke-jr_> only non-ops in #anime go to heaven
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be glad to see you there, mkzelda
02:29 <spidey> seeing as you just reverse a sentence and call it a answer :p
02:29 <+mkzelda> why not? he does it every time
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> answer a sentence and call it a reverse?
02:30 <+mkzelda> its like watching jeopardy
02:30 <luke-jr_> reverse a call and answer it with a sentence?
02:30 <spidey> no, use a reverse sentence from the question and call it a answer
02:30 <luke-jr_> or sentence it to an answer?
02:30 <+mkzelda> or even the same sentence by the opposing debater
02:30 <luke-jr_> is there an opposition? I thought we all agreed I was right
02:31 <+mkzelda> are you really serious?
02:31 <spidey> haha
02:31 <luke-jr_> ROFL
02:31 <luke-jr_> I haven't been serious for a while
02:31 <luke-jr_> you would have figured that out if you /joined #anime
02:31 <spidey> O_o
02:32 <luke-jr_> lol
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> agreed luke-jr_ was right?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> feel the ground.
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02:32 <Lucifer_arma> is it cold?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> does it feel like hell has frozen over yet?
02:32 <spidey> it's wet
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> re nemostultae
02:32 <spidey> just rained here
02:32 <nemostultae> re
02:32 <spidey> so ya,it's cold :p
02:33 <luke-jr_> spidey and mkzelda are going to hell! =p
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> what about me?
02:33 <luke-jr_> you're not an op in #anime
02:33 <spidey> you're already there
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> I think if God was going to take this judgement thing seriously, he'd put in heaven
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> so I can experience eternal torment
02:34 <spidey> O_o
02:34 * spidey thinks luke-jr_ doesn't mean everything he says,he just says it to cause a argument
02:34 <luke-jr_> liar
02:34 <spidey> who you or me?
02:34 <luke-jr_> you don't really think that
02:34 <spidey> i do too
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> I think tht too
02:35 <luke-jr_> nope
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> here's an important question
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> why won't freeglut build?
02:35 <spidey> what's that?
02:35 <luke-jr_> wtf is that
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> and can I finish emerging X without it?
02:35 <Lucifer_arma> glut is a toolkit for doing stuff with windows
02:35 <+mkzelda> freeglut is deprecated
02:35 <luke-jr_> pfft, who needs windows
02:35 <luke-jr_> or any GUI
02:36 <luke-jr_> we got that whole brain technology now
02:36 <+mkzelda> glut is successor
02:36 <+mkzelda> one blocks the other
02:36 <spidey> who needs gui?
02:36 <spidey> tron does :p
02:36 <+mkzelda> and you can finish x without it
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> so what should I install?
02:36 <luke-jr_> spidey: nah
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> media-libs/glut ?
02:37 <spidey> ya,i'd like to see a commandline version of tron,your bike'd be a "/" and your tail would be "...."
02:37 <spidey> pwn
02:37 <+mkzelda> yes
02:37 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: just pretend it's there
02:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: the game itself isn't a UI
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I tried that, mesa-tools or whatever didn't build
02:37 <luke-jr_> only the menus are
02:37 <spidey> oh god
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's not true
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> UI = User Interface
02:37 <Lucifer_arma> so everything you see belongs to me
02:38 <spidey> LOL
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> and everything you hear comes out of my ass
02:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you only need mesa if you don't have 3D hardware
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> er
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's not what I meant to say
02:38 <luke-jr_> lol
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> UI = User Interface
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> so everything you see is UI
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> everything you hear is UI
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> all that you touch, and that you feel
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> all that you buy, beg borrow, or steal
02:38 <luke-jr_> nah, it needs to have an interface to be a UI
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> and all that is mine
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> and all that is yours
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> and all that is err
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> never could remember that song
02:39 <+mkzelda> all thats become
02:39 <+mkzelda> and everything under the sun
02:39 <luke-jr_> crawls on fours?
02:39 <spidey> THIS LITTLE LIGHT OF MINE
02:39 <spidey> I'M GONNA LET IT SHINE!
02:39 <+mkzelda> the sun is eclipsed by the moon
02:40 <luke-jr_> spidey: my computer has *two* lights
02:40 <Lucifer_arma> thanks, mkzelda, that got it going again
02:40 <spidey> oh ya
02:40 <spidey> mine has 4
02:40 <spidey> what'd ya point?
02:40 <spidey> techniqually
02:40 <+mkzelda> :)
02:40 <spidey> mine has 6
02:40 <spidey> what's ya point
02:40 <luke-jr_> technically mine has 4
02:40 <luke-jr_> I lied
02:40 <luke-jr_> but I don't let 2 of them shine
02:40 <spidey> ACTUALLY
02:40 <spidey> mine has....7
02:41 <spidey> the nic card has a light
02:41 <spidey> i have 2 neon blue lights
02:41 <spidey> the busy and green lights
02:41 <spidey> then the cd/dvd burner
02:41 <spidey> s
02:41 <luke-jr_> crap
02:41 <spidey> if you count the light on the mobo it has 8
02:42 <luke-jr_> I should put a NIC card in
02:42 <luke-jr_> maybe 2 NIC card cards
02:42 <Lizz> got dark side of the moon stuck in my head now
02:43 <Lizz> eclipse was off that LP wasnt it :/
02:44 <Lizz> must be
02:44 * Lizz goes looking
02:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: what does NIC stand for?
02:47 <spidey> network interface card
02:47 <luke-jr_> ok, now say you have a "NIC card" expanded fully
02:47 * Lucifer_arma SCREAMS
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> I HATE TWM!
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> er
02:47 <Lizz> o.O
02:48 <Lizz> everytime u guys go all techie talk i have to google ..<
02:48 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: twm owns you
02:48 <Lizz> had to good NIC n TWM >.< lol
02:48 <Lizz> google* erm
02:48 <luke-jr_> does google find twm?
02:48 <+mkzelda> thats like the Windows 2000 boot screen that says 'built on NT Technology"
02:48 <Lizz> ya
02:48 <+mkzelda> but what does the T in NT stand for?
02:49 <+mkzelda> Built on New Technology Technology
02:49 * Lizz googles
02:49 <Lizz> yup lol
02:51 <spidey> Metal Crystal Deuterium Energy
02:51 <spidey> 1.118.700 653.385 146.833 48/0
02:51 <spidey> for you lizz
02:51 <spidey> xD
02:51 <+mkzelda> damn, friend's wife calls me asking where he is
02:51 <+mkzelda> crazy bitty
02:51 <Lizz> LOL spider
02:51 <luke-jr_> spidey: ok, now say you have a "NIC card" expanded fully
02:51 <Lizz> twm was created by Tom LaStrange
02:51 <+mkzelda> <spidey> I have a "NIC Card" expanded fully
02:52 <luke-jr_> Lizz: was it?
02:52 <Lizz> yup lol
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> yay
02:52 <luke-jr_> I use TWM on :1
02:52 <luke-jr_> or maybe is :2
02:52 <luke-jr_> its*
02:52 <Lizz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm
02:53 <Lizz> even tho i google ur techie talk i still dont bloody understand a word lmao
02:54 <luke-jr_> Lizz: twm supports title bars!
02:54 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["leaving"]
02:54 <Lizz> ooh yeah of course.. :/
02:54 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
02:54 * Lizz opens the door and waves goodbye to loocee
02:54 <Lizz> oh lol
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> kde is running, yay
02:55 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Twm-screenshot-20050401.png
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> emerging konversation now
02:55 <Lizz> aaaaah ok i got it luke
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> but I had to switch to my running x session :)
02:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: screen
02:56 * Lucifer_arma SCREAMS again
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you said screen
02:57 * Lizz puts ear muffs on
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, how do I get the nvidia driver going, mkzelda ?
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on nv right now :)
02:58 <+mkzelda> emerge nvidia-glx
02:58 <+mkzelda> which will pull nvidia-kernel
02:58 <+mkzelda> and optionally, emerge nvidia-settings
02:58 <spidey> haha
02:58 <spidey> my grandma man
02:59 <spidey> this guy 3 times my size came asking to use the phone,so she had me answer the door and everything
02:59 <spidey> saying she couldn't do anything if it was a robber
02:59 <luke-jr_> nvidia-glx/kernel won't work with latest X.org =p
02:59 <spidey> this guy's 3 TIMES my size,i'd have to jump to reach him :/
02:59 <+mkzelda> you must mask a few things luci
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> what do I need to mask?
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> or, got a link? :)
03:00 <+mkzelda> ill pm it...
03:00 <luke-jr_> not unmask?
03:00 <+mkzelda> no, mask
03:00 <+mkzelda> newest xorg
03:00 <+mkzelda> as u said, it wont work
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> this is a new installation that got the 7.0 default
03:00 <+mkzelda> with nvidia
03:00 <+mkzelda> or ati
03:00 <luke-jr_> NOTE: package busybox-1.01-r12: task do_compile: started
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> is there a package for the nforce chipset?
03:03 <+mkzelda> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_amd64_1.0-0310.html
03:03 <+mkzelda> i havent used that though
03:03 <+mkzelda> and thats amd64
03:03 <+mkzelda> i use whats in kernel
03:03 <Lizz> god dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why are men so dam complicated >.<
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll try to get sound and stuff working without it first and see how that goes
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> we aren't?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> she just read her backbuffer, I'll bet
03:03 <Lizz> u are.. im gonna become a lesbian i think >.<
03:04 <+mkzelda> http://www.mkzelda.com/package.mask
03:04 <+mkzelda> all the packages after the first two are the VIDEO_CARDS= and INPUT_DEVICES=
03:05 <+mkzelda> and the newer versions depend on xorg-x11-7.1
03:05 <luke-jr_> Lizz: then you'll go to hell
03:05 <luke-jr_> Lizz: so I wouldn't recommend
03:05 <Lizz> who cars lol..
03:05 <spidey> luke-jr_, in a seat right beside you?
03:05 <Lizz> cares*
03:05 <luke-jr_> Lizz: you will if/when you get there
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> An error occurred while loading http://www.mkzelda.com/package.mask:
03:06 <Lucifer_arma> Could not connect to host www.mkzelda.com
03:06 <Lizz> meh.. better than trying to figure out mens brains >.<
03:06 <+mkzelda> dns error?
03:06 <luke-jr_> Lizz: could be a nun =p
03:06 <spidey> x2 for wimens
03:06 <spidey> womens*
03:06 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: that doesn't look like DNS
03:06 <luke-jr_> no, DNS is fine
03:06 <+mkzelda> i just followed the link
03:06 <Lizz> good idea luke.. ill join the "nuns of the destrution of men" order
03:07 <luke-jr_> just the host is down
03:07 <luke-jr_> telnet: connect to address 64.111.102.171: Connection refused
03:07 <luke-jr_> ok, not down... just not listening on port 80
03:07 <+mkzelda> odd im using it right now
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know man, google responds
03:07 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: maybe you're on the LAN?
03:08 <+mkzelda> hardly
03:08 <+mkzelda> unless cali is on lan w/ nc
03:08 <+mkzelda> but now its down for me too
03:08 <luke-jr_> lol
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> brb
03:08 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit ["leaving"]
03:08 <+mkzelda> weird
03:08 <luke-jr_> maybe he rigged it so it *looks* like it's working (to you, so you pay him), but he doesn't need to put out the bandwidth
03:08 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
03:08 <armabot> I'm so happy to see you. *kiss*
03:08 <luke-jr_> wtf
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> back
03:08 <Lizz> o.O
03:08 <+mkzelda> well ill copy paste then...
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> konversation :)
03:09 <luke-jr_> oh, it doesn't work otherwise?
03:09 * Lucifer_arma kisses armabot
03:09 <Lizz> O.O
03:09 <luke-jr_> ROFL
03:09 <+mkzelda> luci, do u care if i pm you ~20 lines?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> nah, only problem is I'll hav eto trim out timestamps and crap
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
03:09 <+mkzelda> oh yea
03:09 * luke-jr_ kisses Lizz
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't look like I can temporarily disable the nicknames and crap
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> just send the file to me, can you do that?
03:10 <+mkzelda> nat issues
03:10 <+mkzelda> bnc'd irc too
03:10 <+mkzelda> doubt that
03:10 <+mkzelda> oh
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> zip it and put it on the wiki?
03:10 <+mkzelda> they're rebooting the server
03:11 <luke-jr_> don't think bnc would affect it
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
03:11 <luke-jr_> ...
03:11 <+mkzelda> i was ssh'd in and it just kicked me
03:11 <Lizz> lower luke *grins evily*
03:11 <luke-jr_> Lizz: j/k btw
03:11 <Lizz> bugga :P
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
03:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I can't find Lucifer_arma: in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
03:12 <luke-jr_> hah
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
03:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I can't find Lucifer_arma: in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
03:12 <+mkzelda> A once-a-day HIV treatment combining three drugs in one pill, has been licensed for the first time by the US Food and Drug Administration.
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add "Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*"
03:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: I can't find Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss* in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
03:12 <Lucifer_arma> #herald add Lucifer_arma "Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*"
03:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:13 <luke-jr_> FDA sucks
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> are they immoral?
03:13 <+mkzelda> they're immoral
03:13 <luke-jr_> yep
03:13 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/luke_jr.htm
03:13 <luke-jr_> it's a dash, not an underscore
03:13 * Lizz is bored and runs around the room naked
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> if you're going to keep doing that, you're going to need to post a pic somewhere
03:14 <Lizz> ok
03:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: invalid HTML too
03:14 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/luke-jr.htm
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't want us to get images of really large women running around unless you are a really large woman, right?
03:14 <Lizz> we need a nice silver pole in here lol
03:15 <Lizz> LOL loocee
03:15 * Lucifer_arma has to go cook dinner now
03:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: what's your wife's #?
03:15 <Lizz> yum bring me back some plz lol
03:15 * luke-jr_ dumps his bowl of salad on Lizz
03:15 <Lizz> lmao @ luke
03:16 <Lizz> yum i luv salad thx :P
03:16 <Lizz> ooh seeing im naked does that make me a human plate?? o.O
03:16 <luke-jr_> wtf?
03:16 <Lizz> lmao
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: same as mine
03:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: which is?
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: same as my wife's
03:17 <luke-jr_> ...
03:17 <luke-jr_> the #
03:17 <Lizz> heh
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> I don't give my number to known psychos in irc channels
03:18 <luke-jr_> how about unknown psychos?
03:18 * Lucifer_arma found no meat thawed
03:18 <luke-jr_> like if I use /nick
03:18 <Lizz> arent u only 20 luke?
03:18 <luke-jr_> Lizz: 21, why?
03:18 <Lizz> pfft.. too young :P
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> 21 and thinks he knows everything, that is
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> can't forget that qualifier
03:18 <+mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/87512
03:19 <luke-jr_> not everything
03:19 <luke-jr_> just more than you
03:19 <luke-jr_> ;p
03:19 <Lizz> LOL
03:19 <Lucifer_arma> aha, thank you. I put that in /etc/packages.mask right?
03:19 <luke-jr_> and then reinstall, yes
03:19 <+mkzelda> in /etc/portage
03:20 <+mkzelda> in /etc/portage/packages.mask
03:20 <+mkzelda> in /etc/portage/package.mask
03:20 * luke-jr_ yawns
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> package.mask or packages.mask? ;)
03:20 <+mkzelda> singular
03:20 <luke-jr_> neither
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> got it
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> now I just emerge nvidia-glx?
03:21 <+mkzelda> yes
03:21 <luke-jr_> bs
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, doing it, thanks. Says there's only two packages to emerge
03:21 <luke-jr_> no rly?
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: it's not immoral if I can install it with emerge
03:21 <luke-jr_> you forgot -e
03:22 <luke-jr_> just like win32-codecs
03:22 <Lizz> http://www.fallin-angels.com/luke-jr.htm
03:22 <Lizz> lmao
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> emerge -e my-wifes-bra
03:22 <luke-jr_> wtf?
03:22 <Lizz> rofl
03:22 * spidey watches
03:22 <luke-jr_> you're wearing a bra
03:22 <luke-jr_> ?
03:22 * Lizz blames someone else
03:23 -!- spidey is now known as someone_else
03:23 <someone_else> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
03:23 <someone_else> O_o
03:23 <Lizz> ooo need a pic of loocee in a bra
03:23 <Lizz> heh spider
03:24 <+mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml
03:24 <luke-jr_> ? vvhusrfgkjngfrs
03:24 <luke-jr_> llllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
03:25 * Lizz googles that
03:25 <Lizz> Your search - vvhusrfgkjngfrs - did not match any documents. >.<
03:26 <luke-jr_> fdddddddddddddd
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't take it off me, I took it off her
03:27 <luke-jr_> you installed it
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> on her?
03:27 <luke-jr_> my wife doesn't often wear one
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's immoral
03:27 <luke-jr_> nah
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> besides, she doesn't count. Her husband's a people-hater
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> she's gotta be sick
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> needs medication
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's immodest
03:28 <luke-jr_> she says cuz it isn't comfortable
03:28 <Lizz> heh
03:28 <luke-jr_> she wears them in public
03:28 <luke-jr_> which is rare
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> boobs aren't supposed to be comfortable
03:28 <Lizz> *smirks*
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> if god wanted women to be comfortable, he wouldn't have hung 20 lbs of flesh from their chest to begin with
03:28 <Lizz> good pillows to im told
03:28 <Lizz> tho*
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> and god never makes mistakes...
03:29 <luke-jr_> Lizz: indeed
03:29 <Lizz> ;)
03:29 <Lizz> im glad i have boobs.. men are fascinated by them :)
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> I've had too many fights with babies over boobs to find them all that fascinating anymore, sorry
03:30 <Lizz> LOL
03:30 <Lizz> when ur kids get older the fascination will come back ;-)
03:31 <Lizz> u have toddlers yes??
03:32 <luke-jr_> Lizz: ...................
03:32 <luke-jr_> that's a bit disturbing
03:32 <Lizz> ?
03:32 <Lizz> what?
03:33 <luke-jr_> it certainly looked like you were implying Lucifer_arma would be fascinated with his kids in a bad wayu
03:33 <Lizz> what i meant was.. when ur kids are young.. well.. its stressful.. but when they are older u have more time to urselves
03:34 <luke-jr_> you mean when you reach menopause?
03:34 <luke-jr_> and you can send the grandkids home?
03:34 <Lizz> b4 that luke
03:34 <Lizz> im not that old yet :P
03:34 <luke-jr_> before that, you still have kids
03:35 <luke-jr_> =p
03:35 <Lizz> yes.. but as they get older and more independent the pressure is off
03:35 <luke-jr_> just cuz the oldest might be less time consuming doesn't mean the twentieth or so won't be
03:35 <Lizz> thats true.. but u will have way more patience and u let things slide the more u have
03:36 <Lizz> the second child is easier than the first and so on
03:37 <Lizz> younger kids are tiring... older arent so much
03:37 <luke-jr_> but before menopause, the youngest will always be tiring =p
03:37 <Lizz> i dont find that
03:37 <Lizz> :P
03:38 <luke-jr_> ...
03:38 <Lizz> ...
03:44 -!- someone_else is now known as spidey
03:46 <spidey> ...
03:49 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/snapshot2.png
03:49 <spidey> ;x i love kde
03:49 <spidey> remind me later to rm everything i don't use from my webserver
03:51 <Lizz> *reminds spider*
03:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: you're moving to mine anyway, right? =p
03:54 <spidey> why? when i can even host a armaserver on this one xD
03:54 <luke-jr_> =p
03:54 <luke-jr_> could host it on mine
03:54 <luke-jr_> tho I'm trying to find a colocated VoIP server
03:54 <luke-jr_> which would have better ping
03:54 <spidey> could it do 16 people with all <150 pings?
03:55 <luke-jr_> eg, 20-40
03:55 <luke-jr_> well, anything over 100 is really bad for VoIP ;)
03:55 <spidey> this server's on a 100mbit connection....i tested it with scp from a 1gbit server
03:55 <spidey> it downloads at 11.04mb/s
03:55 <luke-jr_> that's bandwidth, not latency
03:56 <spidey> yes,but it has nice pings too :)
03:56 <spidey> wizz's ping is even nice O_o
03:56 <luke-jr_> relatively
03:56 <spidey> 290-310
03:57 <spidey> that's good for her :p
03:57 <spidey> manta has a 266 ping
03:57 <spidey> that's awesome for him
03:57 <spidey> lol
03:57 <luke-jr_> Lizz: hey, ping 66.246.220.19
03:58 <Lizz> ?
03:58 <luke-jr_> ...
03:58 <luke-jr_> open a console and type: ping 66.246.220.19
03:58 <spidey> --- 66.246.220.19 ping statistics ---
03:58 <spidey> 7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0% packet loss
03:58 <spidey> round-trip min/avg/max = 74.8/80.3/83.6 ms
03:59 <+mkzelda> do you want me to stop?
03:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: ...
03:59 <+mkzelda> :D
03:59 <spidey> ?
03:59 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: paste results =p
03:59 <+mkzelda> 23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 21996ms
03:59 <+mkzelda> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 28.972/31.545/38.515/2.258 ms
04:00 <luke-jr_> that's pretty nice
04:00 <spidey> heh
04:00 <Lizz> ok did that
04:00 <spidey> now paste your results lizz
04:00 <luke-jr_> Lizz: what ping?
04:00 <spidey> copy/paste
04:00 <spidey> mkzelda, ping fallin-angels.com
04:01 <Lizz> um
04:01 <+mkzelda> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 18997ms
04:01 <+mkzelda> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 45.262/50.973/56.870/3.305 ms
04:01 <luke-jr_> omg... they have the rdns on that IP = .
04:01 <Lizz> Ping statistics for 66.246.220.19:
04:01 <Lizz> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
04:01 <Lizz> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
04:01 <Lizz> Minimum = 293ms, Maximum = 303ms, Average = 298ms
04:01 <Lizz> is that what u want?
04:02 <+mkzelda> yes
04:02 <luke-jr_> guess 290-310 is the lowest Lizz can gt
04:02 <spidey> ya
04:02 <luke-jr_> get
04:02 <spidey> she's on isdn
04:02 <+mkzelda> luke-jr_, u have a server on that ip?
04:02 <spidey> so she only gets 12kb/s down and i forget up
04:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: not mine
04:02 <+mkzelda> :(
04:02 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: that's the kind of goal I'm aiming for
04:02 <spidey> luke-jr_, who's ?
04:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: VoipJet
04:02 <Lizz> 128kb/s*
04:02 <+mkzelda> yea i'd like 28-38
04:03 <+mkzelda> 31 avg
04:03 <luke-jr_> heh
04:03 <spidey> i only get 80....
04:03 <spidey> :/
04:03 <+mkzelda> i dont get that on lan
04:03 <luke-jr_> my goal is to get one and host AA servers ;)
04:03 <luke-jr_> you don't?
04:03 <spidey> luke-jr_, get one that's on the same node as me
04:03 <spidey> lol
04:03 <+mkzelda> yea, for whatever reason
04:03 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: my LAN: 64 bytes from 2002:1891:f657:0:2b0:d0ff:fe49:6b31: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=0.177 ms
04:03 <spidey> i get a 16ms ping 150miles away
04:03 <spidey> on my home servers
04:03 <spidey> from my moms
04:04 <+mkzelda> luke-jr_, i mean when i play arma
04:04 <luke-jr_> oh, heh
04:04 <spidey> mkzelda, you won't have a 33 ping
04:04 <+mkzelda> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 2999ms
04:04 <+mkzelda> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.057/0.074/0.094/0.017 ms
04:04 <+mkzelda> thats my lan
04:04 <spidey> it's always higher when you actually play
04:04 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: arma needs to wait for a CPU interrupt or such
04:04 <+mkzelda> yea
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04:05 <Lizz> hiya vanners
04:05 <spidey> --- 192.168.2.1 ping statistics ---
04:05 <spidey> 9 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0% packet loss
04:05 <spidey> round-trip min/avg/max = 0.7/0.7/1.1 ms
04:05 <Vanhayes> hey Lizz
04:05 <spidey> that's my lan
04:05 <luke-jr_> ping6 www.kame.net
04:05 <luke-jr_> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 236.902/240.710/245.095/2.967 ms
04:06 <+mkzelda> i dont have ipv6
04:06 <luke-jr_> lame
04:07 <+mkzelda> lame is wasting time setting it up when twc doesnt have it
04:07 <luke-jr_> the latter can be fixed
04:07 <+mkzelda> ?
04:07 <luke-jr_> with a OpenWrt router, anyway
04:07 <luke-jr_> you can bypass TWC =p
04:08 <+mkzelda> but why?
04:08 <luke-jr_> ...
04:08 <luke-jr_> so all your computers have public addresses?
04:08 <+mkzelda> what do i need ipv6 addys for atm?
04:08 <luke-jr_> no NAT junk
04:08 <+mkzelda> all my computers need public addresses?
04:08 <luke-jr_> ....
04:08 <luke-jr_> nm
04:08 <+mkzelda> not-so-public addresses
04:09 <+mkzelda> b/c i dont know anyone who could access my "public" ipv6 addys
04:09 <+mkzelda> other than you
04:09 <+mkzelda> its not really public
04:09 <+mkzelda> if no one in the public can use it
04:09 <+mkzelda> so like i said, its lame to waste my time setting it up
04:11 <+mkzelda> instead of NAT junk i'd just have ipv6 encapsulation over ipv4 junk, sweet trade off
04:12 <spidey> mepis don't have ipv6 by default
04:12 <spidey> mmm,ubuntu does though
04:12 <+mkzelda> i have ipv6 use flag and kernel ipv6 support, but i dont have the tunnel set up
04:12 <+mkzelda> i do that b/c it doesnt take any effort to add ipv6 to make.conf or to compile into kernel
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04:19 <spidey> gay
04:30 <Lizz> *is
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05:42 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
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05:54 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: didn't you tell me some flags I needed to set in make.conf too? I just looked around the gentoo website because I remember seeing them there and found something, but I'm not sure I found the right something
05:56 <spidey> yay, got "def" "owned" "attack" "break"
05:56 <spidey> :S
05:56 <spidey> :D
05:56 <spidey> now to see if they work,tron time!
05:57 <spidey> n.pyey@fbi.gov[~]$ bash tron
05:57 <spidey> sed: -e expression #2, char 55: unknown option to `s'
05:57 <spidey> /usr/bin/tron.py: line 11: -e: command not found
05:57 <spidey> /usr/bin/tron.py: line 12: -e: command not found
05:57 <spidey> /usr/bin/tron.py: line 13: -e: command not found
05:57 <spidey> /usr/bin/tron.py: line 14: -e: command not found
05:57 <spidey> Command INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_5_1 unknown.
05:57 <spidey> hahahahaha
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, after this emerge is done, if I don't have 3d, I'll reboot back to kubuntu and work on this later
05:59 <spidey> mmm
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> it can't be that hard to write a one single python script to do this thing
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I would've just done that, but nemo posted his script so I didn't need to :)
06:00 <spidey> maybe
06:00 <spidey> but i don't know python very good
06:00 <spidey> just what i learned from a supybot i ran for a few weeks
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, it helps if you know english well ;)
06:00 <spidey> so i'm basically going from what you got
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah, heh
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> what I gave isn't the greatest example
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's what you want to do
06:00 <spidey> ok, i see what i fucked up
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> at the beginning of the script, do, ah hell, I'll just do it
06:01 <spidey> 'er
06:01 <spidey> i don't get it....it worked with the first instantchat string i tried
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06:03 <spidey> gah
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> what are the instant chats you set up for?
06:04 <spidey> 1_1
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> filenames, that is.
06:04 <spidey> oh
06:05 <spidey> def
06:05 <spidey> owned
06:05 <spidey> attack
06:05 <spidey> break
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> def.txt owned.txt attack.txt ?
06:05 <spidey> ya
06:05 <spidey> i don't see where i fucked up though
06:05 <spidey> i just did what i did for the first time i tested the instant chat
06:05 <spidey> it worked then :/
06:06 <spidey> must be one of my typos xD
06:07 <spidey> ok
06:07 <spidey> starting over!
06:07 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with http://pastie
06:07 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 417 messages.
06:07 <spidey> :/
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> what chats did you put them in?
06:08 <spidey> you want the stuff from each file?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'm just going to zip this and put it on my webserver. If it works, fine. If not and you can fix it, fine. If not and not, then I'll have to wait until I can reboot back to kubuntu to fool with it
06:11 <Lizz> heh i just pwnd sky lmao
06:11 <spidey> k
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/namepicker.tgz
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> for this, just run the python script
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> no bash script, none of that other stuff
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, the colors aren't in there
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, it should be fairly obvious how to add the colors :)
06:13 <Lizz> looceee.. u work with puters for a job?
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> contract programmer, why?
06:13 <Lizz> k
06:13 <Lizz> curious
06:15 <Lizz> spider? whos a really good non fort player?
06:15 <spidey> dunno
06:15 <Lizz> i dont either :/
06:15 <spidey> haven't played deathmatch in awhile
06:15 <spidey> why?
06:16 <Lizz> curious
06:16 <spidey> curiousity killed the cat
06:16 <Lizz> something brought it back.. tho cant remember what it was
06:16 <Lizz> :/
06:17 <Lizz> anyway i asked coz i got things going on in my head.. u kno how i am arac :P
06:17 * spidey runs
06:18 * Lizz chases
06:18 * Lucifer_arma thinks Lizz needs to lay off the booze
06:18 <Lizz> not drinking
06:18 <Lizz> and believe me.. im restraining myself from how i usually am lmao
06:20 <Lizz> sillyscope thinks i drink all the time.. lmao.. like hed know... fw
06:20 <spidey> mmm
06:20 <spidey> weird
06:20 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no errors so i can see what to fix
06:20 <spidey> but it doesn't work O_o
06:20 * spidey looks it over closely
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> check the files
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> on line 10 put "print something"
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> indented like the line that's there
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> er
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> print 'something'
06:24 <spidey> files?
06:24 <spidey> there's only one in the thing you sent me O_o
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> no, the other files
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> owned.txt def.txt etc
06:25 <spidey> oh
06:27 <spidey> heh
06:27 * spidey slaps self
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> redownload it
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> there were a few more problems :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> fixed now
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> shit
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> wait
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> lemme add color
06:30 <mkzelda> color every letter
06:30 <spidey> er
06:30 <spidey> no
06:30 <mkzelda> thats the only way to be cool
06:30 <spidey> if you're durka
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda:
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: didn't you tell me some flags I needed to set in make.conf too? I just looked around the gentoo website because I remember seeing them there and found something, but I'm not sure I found the right something
06:31 <mkzelda> check pm
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now redownload it
06:32 <spidey> word
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> nothing, sorry
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> you may have told me when I was still in a terminal or something
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> no log of it here :(
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the first version was broke in a way that means you have to recreate autoexec.cfg, sorry
06:33 <spidey> np :D
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: nah, it's a script that gives random names, instant chats, and player colors, every time you start armagetronad
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> we want to be completely anonymous, come join us!
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/namepicker.tgz
06:35 <spidey> LOL
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> make a text file with the names you like to use and post it somewhere, me and spidey will dig up the links to ours and we can all share each other's names and instant chats
06:36 <spidey> if we get a few people to do it,we'll need a place to put the files where everyone can access them
06:37 <spidey> like,download one add there stuff and reupload
06:37 * spidey could make a spot on his server
06:38 <mkzelda> i just discovered that i played in a tournament and didnt know it
06:38 <nemostultae> did you win?
06:38 <mkzelda> no, i might have tried harder if i knew i was in it
06:38 <spidey> def randvalue(filename): i take it i change filename to the path?
06:39 <spidey> mkzelda, eh?
06:39 <mkzelda> i wanted to play in a sumo tourney
06:39 <mkzelda> LOL guys had it
06:39 <mkzelda> they told me to play somebody, it never happened
06:39 <mkzelda> i played some other ppl out of boredom and i show up in the brackets
06:39 <mkzelda> as having beaten one person and losing to another
06:40 <spidey> lol?
06:40 <spidey> lol = easy
06:40 <mkzelda> ya
06:40 <spidey> ws beat them and look who we had
06:40 <mkzelda> i lost to durka
06:41 <mkzelda> but i didnt know i was playing for the tourney hehe
06:41 <spidey> manta with a ping of 300+, eclipse(hardly plays fortress) nightmare(doesn't listen to team commands) kama he's good and ota
06:41 <mkzelda> i think i woulda tried harder if i'd known
06:41 <spidey> mm
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: no, change nothing, it should work just like it is
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> just make the files you want
06:42 <mkzelda> luci, i'll re-pm u
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks
06:42 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[namepicker]$
06:42 <spidey> python namepicker.py
06:42 <spidey> [' \n']
06:43 <spidey> doesn't work, all i changed was the path to "words" "def" "owned" "attack" "break"
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> to what?
06:44 <spidey> /home/spidey/words
06:44 <spidey> /home/spidey/def
06:44 <spidey> /home/spidey/owned
06:45 <spidey> etc
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> wait, did you cat ~/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg to see if it didn't work?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> because....
06:45 <mkzelda> i've gotta go to bed
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> [' \n'] <-- means the autoexec.cfg file it processed was empty
06:45 <mkzelda> ill try out this random thing tomorrow
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ko
06:45 <mkzelda> cya
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so you need to remake the file, spidey, and put in the config options you want it to change
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> typed exactly like you see them in the python file
06:46 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, did u get my pms this time?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any :(
06:46 <mkzelda> wtf
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> wait, did you pm on the forums, or here, with /msg?
06:47 <mkzelda> here
06:47 <mkzelda> im talking back to you
06:47 <mkzelda> u dont see that?
06:47 <spidey> ok
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> did you identify with NickServ?
06:47 <spidey> made it
06:47 <spidey> now this
06:47 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[namepicker]$
06:47 <spidey> python namepicker.py
06:47 <spidey> [' \n', 'AYER_1 \n', 'COLOR_R_1 \n', 'COLOR_B_1 \n', 'COLOR_G_1 ']
06:47 <spidey> AYER_1
06:47 <spidey> COLOR_R_1
06:47 <mkzelda> yea im identified
06:47 <spidey> COLOR_B_1
06:47 <spidey> COLOR_G_1
06:47 <mkzelda> and so are you
06:47 <spidey> still nothing O_o
06:47 <mkzelda> i've written pages,
06:47 <mkzelda> ill post on wrtl's pastebin again
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> ah, heh
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Make these lines look like this: chats['PLAYER_1_R'] = str(random.randint(0,15) )
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> COLOR_B_1 <--- should be COLOR_1_B, shouldn't it?
06:48 <spidey> no
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, PLAYER_1_B
06:49 <spidey> no
06:49 <spidey> in tron to change a color you do COLOR_R_1 1
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> COLOR_R_1
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok
06:49 <spidey> ya
06:50 <spidey> mmmm
06:50 <spidey> ok
06:50 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[namepicker]$
06:50 <spidey> python namepicker.py
06:50 <spidey> ['PLAYER_1 \n', 'COLOR_R_1 \n', 'COLOR_B_1 \n', 'COLOR_G_1 ']
06:50 <spidey> PLAYER_1 Robin Hood
06:50 <spidey> COLOR_R_1
06:50 <spidey> COLOR_B_1
06:50 <spidey> COLOR_G_1
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> PLAYER_1_ <--- there's a typo here, an extra _
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> oh, forgot one
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> chats['PLAYER_1_R'] = str(random.randint(0,15) ) <--- can you fix the colors here? These are the wrong ones
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> three lines
06:51 <mkzelda> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/87748
06:51 <spidey> chats['PLAYER_R_1'] = random.randint(0,15)
06:51 <spidey> chats['PLAYER_G_1'] = random.randint(0,15)
06:51 <spidey> chats['PLAYER_B_1'] = random.randint(0,15)
06:51 <spidey> done fixed it
06:51 <spidey> :p
06:51 <mkzelda> so weird my pm's dont work
06:51 <spidey> you registered?
06:51 <mkzelda> yes
06:53 <luke-jr_> no you didn't
06:53 <luke-jr_> FreeNode says you're not registered
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> thanks mkzelda
06:53 <mkzelda> * [mkzelda] (n=mkzelda@unaffiliated/mkzelda): mkzelda
06:53 <mkzelda> * [mkzelda] @#douchebags #trilug #gentoo-sparc #sparc #solaris +#evo-mission #e #armagetron #gentoo-amd64 #no-sources +#conrad #ncsulug ##gentoo-pub
06:53 <mkzelda> * [mkzelda] kornbluth.freenode.net :Frankfurt, DE, EU
06:53 <mkzelda> * [mkzelda] is identified to services
06:53 <mkzelda> says it to me
06:53 <luke-jr_> n= means unregistered
06:53 <luke-jr_> unless spidey registered that nick
06:53 <mkzelda> identified
06:53 <mkzelda> means identified
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda is an identified user <--- I see tht too
06:54 <luke-jr_> shrug, spidey isn't registered under that name and it has n= for him
06:54 <luke-jr_> so logic suggests n= isn't registered
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: no, it also has n= for me
06:54 <luke-jr_> oh well
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> n=luke-jr@user-0c93tin.cable.mindspring.com (Luke-Jr)
06:55 <luke-jr_> maybe it's meaningless now
06:55 <luke-jr_> or maybe spidey registered that nick
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] (n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles): spidey
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] #armagetron #Anime
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] zelazny.freenode.net :Corvallis, OR, US
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] is identified to services
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] idle 00:00:10, signon: Thu Jul 13 22:39:49
06:55 <spidey> * [spidey] End of WHOIS list.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> he did, actually
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> some time ago
06:55 <luke-jr_> oh
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's the other nicks he uses that aren't registered
06:55 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as UNREGISTEREDIDIO
06:55 <spidey> mcspiddles is registered
06:55 <luke-jr_> well, he usually needs to rename to McSpiddles to PM me
06:55 <spidey> not anymore
06:56 <UNREGISTEREDIDIO> NREGISTEREDIDIO is n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com (Beelzebub)
06:56 <spidey> i had a staff drop this name so i could reregister
06:56 <spidey> :)
06:56 -!- UNREGISTEREDIDIO is now known as Lucifer_arma
06:56 <luke-jr_> o
06:57 <luke-jr_> spidey: way to confuse me =p
06:57 <luke-jr_> goodnight
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> gj spidey, way to make a fool out of luke-jr_ who's never wrong
06:58 <mkzelda> haha
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> not that this tells us why mkzelda can't /msg
06:58 <spidey> hahah
06:58 <mkzelda> i think n= and i= and whatever else deals w/ idents that resolve or not
06:58 <mkzelda> or special status otherwise
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> supertard's not registered
06:59 <mkzelda> and he has i=
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> same with Lizz
07:00 <Lizz> but i registered
07:00 <mkzelda> logic suggests otherwise though!
07:00 <Lizz> i think
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> check anjori|away
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> says unregistered and has n=
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> rather, doesn't say registered :)
07:00 <mkzelda> whatever, i pasted the pastebin url
07:00 <mkzelda> and i gotta go to bed
07:00 <Lizz> why do we need to be registered anyway?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> try messaging nickserv again
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> can't /msg if you don't
07:01 <Lizz> but i can now
07:01 <mkzelda> cant /msg username
07:01 <mkzelda> can /msg #channel
07:01 <mkzelda> later
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> later
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07:04 <Lizz> ooooooooh
07:04 <Lizz> i have to log in with p/w everytime?
07:04 <spidey> lucifer
07:04 <spidey> mmm
07:04 <spidey> nvm,i wanna try something
07:05 <spidey> btw
07:06 <spidey> it's INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_1
07:06 <spidey> INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_2_1
07:06 <spidey> INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_3_1
07:06 <spidey> so on
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07:17 <spidey> mm
07:17 <spidey> it's that deja_vu person
07:17 <spidey> O_o
07:17 <spidey> <spidey> it's that deja_vu person
07:17 <spidey> -deja_vu- I'm sorry, but I'm away (not here ...)
07:17 <spidey> lol
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07:36 <spidey> ew
07:36 <spidey> it's anjori
07:36 <anjori> i hate that guy
07:37 <spidey> so do i
07:37 <spidey> who?
07:38 * Lizz licks aaaaaaaaaaaaaanj
07:39 <spidey> hey Lucifer_arma
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> what
07:39 <spidey> me you anjori maybe manta goody and eclipse could make a team called "east united states
07:39 <spidey> Maybe if the team grows a lot it can make 2 teams, like east and west, it goes 4 usa :P, plz no invented names.
07:40 <spidey> that way we don't have to play with the "smegheads" :p
07:41 <spidey> oh ya,anjori someone put your name under canada aswell,left it for you if you wanna remove it
07:45 <anjori> yeah, i noticed that. pissed me off.
07:45 <spidey> lol
07:46 <spidey> if we can get 2 more players we'll have enough players,it's just will they let us :p
07:46 <spidey> brb shower
07:46 <Lizz> hb
07:46 <anjori> and how would east united states work for me? i'm not from the U.S., nor am i from the east
07:46 <Lizz> no.. wait.. dont hb.. u smell :P
07:47 <spidey> anjori, north america then
07:47 <anjori> better ;)
07:47 <spidey> :)
07:47 <spidey> brb shower
07:47 <Lizz> tyt
07:47 <anjori> North American Alliance :P
07:48 <Lizz> awww.. ill have to stay a "smeghead" :(
07:48 <anjori> Affirmative!
07:48 <Lizz> asswipe :P
07:48 <GodTodd> North American Free Tron Alliance? ;)
07:49 <anjori> heh
07:49 <Lizz> how clicky!!
07:49 <Lizz> or should that be "cliquey"?
07:49 <Vanhayes> heh NAFTA
07:49 <Lizz> :/
07:50 <GodTodd> yep...acronym play ;)
07:50 <Lizz> heh NAFTA = noobs and **** tards anon ??
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07:51 <anjori> but asterisk starts with an A!
07:51 <Lizz> u kno what i mean :P
07:51 <anjori> we all know what you mean. say fuck. it's okay.
07:51 <Lizz> im jk anyway.. or .. maybe with spider in it im not lol
07:53 * anjori is tired
07:53 <Lizz> then goto bed
07:53 <anjori> i will soon
07:53 <Lizz> boring
07:54 <Lizz> come play DAFH server with me anj so i can pwn ya
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I don't know that I'll actually be able to show up, though
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I want a league instead of a tournament
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> where we play like 1 game a week, or 1 game in two weeks and a practice or something like that
08:04 * spidey yawns
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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08:09 <Vanhayes> #list
08:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
08:09 <Vanhayes> #list time
08:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
08:09 <Vanhayes> #time
08:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: 01:09 AM, July 14, 2006
08:09 <Vanhayes> #ctime
08:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fri Jul 14 01:10:08 2006
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08:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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08:38 <spidey> wtf
08:38 <spidey> si think i found a bug
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I think I have 3d acceleration now
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> no arma yet, lots of stuff left to install, but that's something anyway
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08:52 <spidey> P2P technology is legal, downloading copyrighted material isn?t.
08:52 <spidey> Be careful of what you download or face the consequences.
08:52 <spidey> lol
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08:56 <Vanhayes> Im pretty sure downloading copyrighted material is legal, its uploading that isnt, not sure of that tho
08:57 * spidey doesn't care
08:57 <spidey> i've done it for years :)
08:58 <Vanhayes> yup same here, since napster first came out way back in the day
08:58 <spidey> although 12kb/s is slow :/
08:59 <spidey> man
08:59 <spidey> the MPAA sucks fucking ass
08:59 <spidey> they got thepiratesbay.org shut down
08:59 <Vanhayes> its back up...
08:59 <spidey> it wasn't even a american torrent sight
08:59 <spidey> ya,but you have to pay now
08:59 <Vanhayes> no
08:59 <spidey> ya
08:59 <Vanhayes> um ive been downloading things from there the past few weeks
08:59 <spidey> i just checked
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09:00 <Vanhayes> I just downloaded a CD
09:00 <spidey> http://www.thepiratesbay.org/
09:00 <spidey> from there?
09:00 <spidey> you're full of shit too
09:01 <Vanhayes> um... http://thepiratebay.org/
09:01 <spidey> rt
09:01 <spidey> er
09:01 <spidey> (S)
09:01 <spidey> bah
09:01 <Vanhayes> ha
09:02 <Vanhayes> my freind wanted a Simon and Garfunkel CD so I got it, that was yesturday
09:02 <spidey> heh
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> how could they shut down the pirate bay? They're a legal political party in Sweden!
09:02 <spidey> how the hell am i downloading at 15kb/s but uploading at 28kb/s
09:02 <Vanhayes> no clue it happens to me too
09:03 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, MPAA pressured it
09:03 <Vanhayes> only was down for less than a month
09:03 <spidey> they threatened the sweden government
09:03 <spidey> something about cutting them off
09:03 <spidey> off of something,but they did it
09:04 <Vanhayes> heh USA has a grop of record Labels saying shut it down. Canada has a Gruop of artist saying keep it up
09:04 <Vanhayes> group*
09:04 <spidey> MPAA and RAA = gay
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09:04 <spidey> wtf
09:04 <spidey> uploading at 32kb/s and downloading at 6kb/s
09:05 * spidey finds new torrent
09:05 <Vanhayes> heh mine is downloading at 1 kb/s uploading at 10kb/s
09:06 <spidey> bah
09:06 <Vanhayes> er nvrm it just stopped doing both
09:06 <spidey> lo
09:06 <spidey> you got the ports the client uses forwarded?
09:07 <spidey> mines uses 6881 for download/upload and 4444 for the torrent tracker
09:07 <Vanhayes> ya its just the one pperson who was seeding just stoped
09:08 * spidey thinks about rdesktoping the windows box and using Ares
09:08 <spidey> i get alot faster speeds on it
09:09 <spidey> like in the 300kb/s range
09:09 <Vanhayes> azerus gets me there on a good torrent
09:09 <spidey> anything will on a good torrent
09:09 <spidey> but they're hard to find :p
09:10 <Vanhayes> hmm that thing about it being legal might only apply to here
09:10 * spidey uses ktorrent
09:10 <Vanhayes> Unless you live in Canada, downloading copyrighted material via P2P may put you at risk for a lawsuit. Canadian users are currently shielded from P2P lawsuits. Canada signed the 1997 World Intellectual Property Organization Internet Treaties, but has not yet ratified them by enacting their provisions into domestic law.
09:10 * spidey moves to canada
09:11 <Vanhayes> "Fans who share music are not thieves or pirates. Sharing music has been happening for decades." - CMCC (Canadian Music Creators Coalition)
09:11 <spidey> ahahahah
09:11 <Vanhayes> lol
09:11 <spidey> bitoogle.com
09:11 <Vanhayes> (Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Chantal Kreviazuk, Sum 41, Stars, Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace), Dave Bidini (Rheostatics), Billy Talent, Sloan, and more!)
09:11 <Vanhayes> those artist that are in it
09:15 <spidey> barenaked ladies = the pwn
09:15 * spidey loves 1 week
09:15 <Vanhayes> lol
09:17 <Vanhayes> hmm
09:18 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia Neil Young
09:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.24 seconds: Neil Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Young>; Freedom ( Neil Young album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_(Neil_Young_album)>; Neil Young (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Young_(politician)>; Neil Young - Wikipedia, the (3 more messages)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> neil young rules!
09:21 <Vanhayes> yes he does
09:30 <Vanhayes> if a game requires 500 mb of ram and you only have 256, any chance that game will work?
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> good chance
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> but it'll run slower than dirt
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's what swap space is all about
09:32 <Vanhayes> so it Should start up without problems?
09:32 <Vanhayes> like without an error message?
09:32 <wrtlprnft> 01:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eh?
09:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: ?
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> that depends on how much available memory you have. swap space is finite, too.
09:33 <Vanhayes> availible memory is arond 40 I think
09:33 <Vanhayes> 40 gigs
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> then yes, but why the fuck do you have 40 gigs of swap space?
09:34 <Vanhayes> er
09:34 <Vanhayes> mayby thats not it
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's also called virtual memory sometimes
09:37 <Vanhayes> its 750 mb
09:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the image cache problem on the wiki is still there :S
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> is there an error message with it?
09:38 <wrtlprnft> no
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> !!! ERROR: media-gfx/imagemagick-6.2.5.5 failed.
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's why
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> no libpng, apparently
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> does the composite manager work in xorg 7.0?
09:42 <wrtlprnft> it's a jpeg
09:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but building imagemagick failed because of libpng
09:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> and the wiki uses imagemagick to make the thumbnails
09:43 <wrtlprnft> i know
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09:54 <Lucifer_arma> wow, firefox is almost done
09:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5690 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Protection against rubberless kills from teammates added.
09:54 * Lucifer_arma will finally be running a recent version of firefox
09:56 <Lizz> maaaaaaaaaaaaan i got someone making a fort server in AU :)
09:56 <Lizz> hes gone off to do it now O.O
09:57 <Vanhayes> #g 22*14*6*4*12-(300*12)-(200*12)
09:57 <armabot> (22 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12) - (300 * 12) - (200 * 12) = 82,704
09:57 <Lizz> got no idea if he knows how to do it tho lmao
09:57 <Vanhayes> hmm that number cant be right
09:58 <Lizz> sry vanners didnt mean to interupt :)
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> how do I tell it to use something from ~x86 just for one build?
09:58 <Vanhayes> lol
09:58 <Vanhayes> #g 22*14*6*4*12-300*12-200*12
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> why can't that number be right?
09:58 <armabot> (22 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12) - (300 * 12) - (200 * 12) = 82,704
09:58 <Vanhayes> #g 22*14*6*4*12
09:58 <armabot> 22 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 88,704
09:59 <Vanhayes> that why
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> that makes sense
09:59 <Vanhayes> I put something in wrong
09:59 <Vanhayes> er
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> you're subtracting two numbers from that big one
09:59 <Vanhayes> ya ya, thought the original was 70 000 and some not 80 000
10:00 <guru3> i'm surrounded by computers running slow :S
10:00 <Vanhayes> #g 13*14*6*4*12-500*12-100*12
10:00 <armabot> (13 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12) - (500 * 12) - (100 * 12) = 45,216
10:01 <Vanhayes> damn...
10:01 <Vanhayes> #g 82,704- 45,216
10:01 <armabot> 82,704 - 45,216 = 37,488
10:02 <Vanhayes> I an make at least that much more money a year doing the same work I would do here, only its out west
10:02 <Vanhayes> roughly around there for my first year
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 37488 CAD to USD
10:03 <armabot> 37,488 Canadian dollars = 33,043.6476 U.S. dollars
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's cost of living like out there?
10:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5691 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Delayed turn warning disabled for AIs.
10:03 <Vanhayes> higher but if you go out with at least 5 or 6 other guys you can get alot of maoney really fast
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> have you got 5 or 6 other guys to go out with?
10:04 <Vanhayes> easily
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> will it hurt your ping on fortress?
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
10:04 <Vanhayes> New Brunswick has a real job shortage problem
10:04 <Vanhayes> heh probly
10:04 <Vanhayes> get it too around 225 or something
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> that's playable
10:05 <Vanhayes> if I took up apretence welding here in NB it would pay 13-18 an hour starting out, in alberta 22-25 starting out
10:06 <Vanhayes> same work same hours
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, when I hung mufflers, here in Austin it was about $8/hour, up in Seattle $12-$15
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> same work same hours
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> but cost of living in seattle was higher, we needed food stamps
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> :(
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> a lot higher, too
10:07 <Vanhayes> the cost of living isnt too much higher
10:07 <Vanhayes> here
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> man, this desktop is beautiful
10:08 <Vanhayes> but If I lived here and worked I wouldnt be sharing a house/apartment/trailer/whateveryoucanfind with a bunch of other people
10:08 <Vanhayes> what does it look like?
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/desktop.png
10:10 <Vanhayes> um cant see desktop only your IRC client
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this irc client is fucking beautiful
10:10 <Vanhayes> lol
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> look at the title bar to the window it's in
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> see how it fades from bright to dark as you go up, and it's very subtle
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm really loving these colors
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> the border around the window looks very nice. I like the wide border because it's eaasier to grab with the mouse, but this border also looks nice
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm almost afraid to get Xgl working becuase it might upset what's here already
10:13 * Vanhayes is away:
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: looks like I got imagemagick building now, give it a bit more and try again, it's still building
10:17 <guru3> would anyone argue that encoding video at 160fps is unusually fast?
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that I'd argue it, I'd just say it
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> is it putting 160fps into the file, or is it doing the encoding at 160fps?
10:18 <guru3> i think it's doing the encoding at 160fps
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's rockin!
10:18 <guru3> that's my amd encoding the matrix for the 770
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> (if it's putting 160fps into the file then it's a disaster)
10:18 <guru3> my p4 is encoding anime for the 770 at 40fps
10:18 <guru3> do we have a winner? i think so ><
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's cache-intensive work
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> iirc, it's the kind of work amd shows up intel on a lot :)
10:24 <guru3> hmm well
10:24 <guru3> it's going awfully fast ><
10:24 <guru3> 4x the speed
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> is the hostname speedy-gonzales?
10:25 <guru3> no
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, speaking of movies, I just saw Daredevil today and it really freaking rocked
10:25 <guru3> it's a good one
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> my wife liked it so much she had to watch it again after the kids went to bed
10:26 * Lucifer_arma is waiting for firefox to finish building so he can say emerge PyQt4 and go to bed
10:28 <wrtlprnft> you can build two things at the same time
10:28 <guru3> 9 minutes left on the first pass of encoding the matrix
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Image:Desktop.png
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see firefox work in my environment the way I want it to before I go to bed, too
10:32 <guru3> the one thing that pisses me off about firefox
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, looks like the wiki's generating thumbnails again
10:32 <guru3> is that when i open a new tab
10:32 <guru3> it doesn't load google
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> why does that matter? I use the bar to the right of the address bar that has the google icon in it
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> I see google's homepage ~3 times a year
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10:35 <guru3> haha
10:35 <guru3> that'd be too slow for me
10:35 <guru3> i don't like using the mouse a lot
10:37 <wrtlprnft> in opera for a new search: <CTRL-N>g whateverimlookingfor<return>
10:37 <wrtlprnft> can't get much faster
10:37 <guru3> ctrl-n -> new window?
10:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:38 <guru3> :/
10:38 <guru3> new windows are evil
10:38 <wrtlprnft> well
10:38 <wrtlprnft> new tab that is
10:38 <wrtlprnft> opera is mdi
10:38 <wrtlprnft> so it behaves like a tab, with the only difference that you can resite it
10:39 <wrtlprnft> IIRC they actually changed the default shortcut for a new window to ctrl-t
10:40 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't matter anyways, the interesting part is what you enter in the address bar
10:40 <wrtlprnft> "g asdf" is a google search
10:41 <wrtlprnft> you could as well press F8, which goes hilights the whole adress bar so you can enter a new address, or F2 which opens a dialog box asking for an address and opening it in a new tab
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> building ocaml now
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we'll get real math on the wiki soon
10:45 * Lucifer_arma thinks that if the wiki supported real math, z-man would put in the functions used to model a bunch of crap
10:45 <wrtlprnft> the flag gets resized again :)
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> this ocaml installation is one of the things I was mad at Mandrake over. I couldn't install it because they tore down their mirrors, and it wouldn't build from source because I had some build stuff that was too old.
10:47 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia ocaml
10:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.24 seconds: OCaml - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocaml>; OCaml - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocaml_programming_language>; Category:User ocaml - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_ocaml>; Template:User ocaml - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> echo "dev-python/PyQt4 ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.mask <--- should this unmask a package?
10:50 <wrtlprnft> no
10:50 <wrtlprnft> is it masked by a keyword or by package.mask?
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> - dev-python/PyQt4-4.0 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
10:51 <wrtlprnft> if it's a keyword you say echo "dev-python/PyQt4 ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
10:51 <wrtlprnft> if it's package.mask you say echo "dev-python/PyQt4" >> /etc/portage/package.unmask
10:51 <wrtlprnft> if it's both you do both
10:52 <wrtlprnft> woot
10:52 <wrtlprnft> just got some snailmail from my cable provider
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> aha, the package.mask mask was put there by me, heh
10:52 <wrtlprnft> it says i get 16000kbit/s downstream now
10:52 <wrtlprnft> ah
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> er, no
10:52 <wrtlprnft> there's two package.mask, one is in /etc and one is in /usr (don't edit the last one)
10:53 <wrtlprnft> brb, need to restart my cable modem for it to take effect
10:54 <wrtlprnft> woo
10:54 * wrtlprnft gets some big file to download
10:55 <wrtlprnft> #echo am i still in here?
10:55 <armabot> am i still in here?
10:55 <wrtlprnft> good
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> damn, no math
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> need to fix collation problems on the wiki tables :(
10:58 <wrtlprnft> weird
10:58 <wrtlprnft> doesn't look that fast
10:58 <wrtlprnft> either I'm getting bad mirrors or my connection got slower
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> pyqt4 is emerging, I'm happy
11:01 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/trash
11:01 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell me what speed you get?
11:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i get ~90KB/s from aabeta, that rocks :)
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> about 90kb/s
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh bullshit. segmentation fault when I try to start a pyqt3 app
11:05 <wrtlprnft> that's about 1.5 times as much :)
11:05 <wrtlprnft> which means i'll be able to host 12 arma players
11:09 <spidey> dogball owns
11:10 <spidey> ??
11:10 <spidey> if my webserver could handle the load
11:10 <spidey> i could host 4-5 16player servers
11:11 <wrtlprnft> 12 players might be about the load limit for my server :S
11:12 <spidey> mine does 16 fine,but for somereason it crashes when i load 2 servers
11:12 <spidey> actually
11:12 <spidey> you guys wanna help me test?
11:12 <wrtlprnft> wanna help me test my server? ;)
11:13 <spidey> sure
11:13 <spidey> to help me test,i'll need 8 people
11:13 <spidey> or
11:13 <spidey> 4 people with 2 clients loaded
11:15 <wrtlprnft> i think the map only has 9 spawn points
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11:20 <wrtlprnft> err, can anyone connect to my server at all?
11:23 <guru3> no lieutenant, your men are already dead.
11:23 <spidey> LOL
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm stumped
11:29 * Lucifer_arma is going to bed, 'night
11:29 <wrtlprnft> night
11:29 <wrtlprnft> must be 4:30AM there o_O
11:38 <guru3> it seems that you've been living two lives...
11:40 <spidey> lol
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12:24 <deja_vu> hi spidey :P
12:34 <spidey> you must be licker
13:15 <wrtlprnft> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178.html <-- is there a RFC for everything?
13:15 <wrtlprnft> is there one on how to wipe your bottom?
13:17 <guru3> i know there's one for an http driven coffee pot
13:17 <wrtlprnft> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2100.html <-- that one's even better
13:19 <guru3> hahaha
13:19 <guru3> that's great
13:19 <guru3> lunch now
13:26 <spidey> you're makin' me lunch?
13:26 <spidey> how kind of you ;D
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13:31 <spidey> lol
13:33 <deja_vu> O.o
13:33 <spidey> deja_vu couldn't decide whether to stay or go. 657 joins during this reporting period!
13:33 <spidey> hahaha
13:34 <deja_vu> :P
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13:34 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt
13:34 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a fly-bitten quart of squishy fat.
13:34 <madmax|pt> lol
13:34 <spidey> squishy fat
13:34 <spidey> ewwww
13:35 * spidey runs from madmax|pt
13:35 <madmax|pt> cool
13:35 <madmax|pt> :P
13:35 * spidey trips falls and dies
13:36 * spidey haunts madmax|pt for the rest of madmax|pt's life
13:36 <madmax|pt> never saw a spider's ghost
13:37 <spidey> they're deadly
13:37 <spidey> they can still bite
13:37 <madmax|pt> oh
13:37 <spidey> but can't be squished
13:38 <spidey> froggy 103.7! RIBBIT!
13:38 <spidey> this country station rocks xD
13:38 <madmax|pt> let me guess, country music?
13:38 <spidey> ya
13:40 <spidey> ahahaha
13:41 <spidey> you should see what cheese dip in a glass jar with the top on it in a hot room for 2 weeks looks like
13:42 <madmax|pt> ew
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14:18 * madmax|pt is away: Not Here.
14:32 <spidey> . This giant was 8 feet ( 2.4 meters ) and lived in the rivers of the South America until quite recently - about ten thousend years ago.
14:32 <spidey> a goddamn turtle 8feet !!!!
14:33 <spidey> scratch that
14:33 <spidey> about 65 million years ago, and during the following Cretaceous Period. The largest ever to exist turtle on Earth, Archelon ischyros, had a body 9.5 to 13 feet long ( 3 -4 meters ). All of our modern sea turtles swam along with this giant.
14:33 <spidey> 13 feet!
14:33 <spidey> that's twice as big as wrtlprnft
14:33 <spidey> lol
14:45 * madmax|pt is back (gone 00:27:14)
15:00 <wrtlprnft> haha, the sandbox is an error page now :D
15:24 <guru3> i wonder if italians like italics
15:37 <wrtlprnft> <i>Italy!</i>
16:15 <wrtlprnft> 20KB/s downrate from kernel.org... I don't notice anything about 1.6MBit
16:20 <luke-jr_> only 20KB? usually I get well over 200
16:30 <wrtlprnft> i know, something's screwed up there
16:31 <wrtlprnft> at my end, that is
16:38 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?fortytwo
16:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16:37:59 up 83 days, 16:41, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00
16:38 <wrtlprnft> gah, I'm gonna lose that soon :S
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17:38 <wrtlprnft> 17:37:06 up 83 days, 17:40, 2 users, load average: 0.36, 0.66, 0.88 <-- final uptime before restart :(
17:47 <luke-jr_> ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/lib/misc/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
17:47 <luke-jr_> ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/lib/misc/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
17:47 <luke-jr_> ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/lib/misc/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
17:47 <luke-jr_> ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/lib/misc/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
17:47 <luke-jr_> hrm
17:47 <luke-jr_> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
17:47 <luke-jr_> weird
17:48 <luke-jr_> /tmp/ssh-DmRvX12772/agent.12772
17:48 <luke-jr_> sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found
17:48 <luke-jr_> 15:48:45 up 18 days, 8:27, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
17:48 <luke-jr_> 15:48:51 up 21 days, 15:05, 5 users, load average: 0.52, 0.20, 0.06
17:49 <luke-jr_> 16:11:53 up 27 days, 4:34, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
17:49 <luke-jr_> 15:49:11 up 5 days, 12:01, 106 users, load average: 1.45, 1.60, 2.28
17:49 <luke-jr_> 10:49:18 up 33 days, 13:21, 7 users, load average: 2.53, 2.38, 2.29
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:21:29 up 15 min, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.05
17:55 <wrtlprnft> :S
17:55 <wrtlprnft> but
17:55 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler 2.6.17.4 #1 Fri Jul 14 17:32:31 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
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18:25 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
18:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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18:48 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
18:48 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
18:48 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 5 secs
18:50 <wrtlprnft> armabot: ?
18:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i think it's saying deja_vu owns you
19:00 <wrtlprnft> she! she! she!
19:00 <spidey> ??
19:00 <spidey> lol
19:00 <spidey> armabot, is a it
19:01 <wrtlprnft> armabot is a she
19:01 <spidey> it
19:02 <spidey> armabot are you a it or she?
19:02 <wrtlprnft> ask Lucifer_arma
19:06 <Vanhayes> armabot should be a she
19:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
19:06 <Vanhayes> no more should?
19:07 <spidey> armabot would you say you're a she or it?
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19:07 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt
19:07 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a measled tongueful of yeasty woman's.
19:07 <madmax|pt> lol
19:08 <Vanhayes> ha
19:08 <spidey> mmm
19:08 <Vanhayes> "yeasty woman's" classy
19:16 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5692 /tools/map-preview/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
19:16 <armabot> armagetronad: * Images are now centered
19:16 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added command-line options
19:16 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added parsing of <Resource ...> tag
19:23 <spidey> lol?
19:24 <spidey> CT's "wild dogfight" isn't a dogfight server no matter how you look at it
19:24 <spidey> more like fortress/race combined
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19:56 <Lucifer_arma> there are no dogs fighting there?
19:59 <GodTodd> dogs fight in my living room
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20:17 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5693 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added .am files to be removed from the application bundle
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha, my two year old got attacked by the robot vacuum and said "Ah oh!" and ran off
20:27 <spidey> hahaha
20:28 <spidey> the robot vacuum attacked him?
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
20:28 <spidey> lmao
20:28 <wrtlprnft> is it standing guard in front of your server?
20:29 <spidey> haha
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, its vacuuming the living room
20:29 <joda_bot> hi
20:29 <joda_bot> nemostultae: Are there ready to use frameworks for all Libraries ArmagetronAd uses ?
20:29 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, should i start learning python,OR finish where i left off on this C book O_o
20:30 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I saw your bug entry about "boost library not detected by ..."
20:30 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: (on the SF tracker)
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: depends, do you already know how to program pretty well?
20:31 <joda_bot> wouldn't it be easier to add the few headers to thirdparty and optionally using linux local boost package ?
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> if not, learn python. :) It'll get you some good habits and give you a chance to learn how to program in general.
20:31 <spidey> heh,i can i can understand code well enough to edit it and make it do what i want,but not well enough to write it
20:31 <joda_bot> that way you don't have to install 10 mb of header and tron really requires just 10 files (which even won't change much)
20:31 <spidey> -1 i can
20:31 <joda_bot> probably
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, learn python then.
20:32 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i don't care about the 10mb of headers
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: can't say I care much either way, as long as configure fails when it can't build the game and succeeds when it can, I'm happy :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> i care about the hours of time it takes to compile and the hundreds of MBs of RAM it needs
20:32 <nemostultae> joda_bot: ? Sorry, didn't understand that.
20:33 <joda_bot> nemostultae: heh, I know libraries on Mac OS X are usually called / maintained as frameworks
20:34 <joda_bot> a) Are there prepared frameworks for each library ?
20:34 <joda_bot> b) Would it make sense to add framework files / source code to a library module
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we can deal with that problem, wrtlprnft, by taking the boost parts we actually use into third-parties and just building it internally for ourselves, I'm fine with that
20:34 <joda_bot> c) Does SDL support creating a framework ? ;)
20:34 <nemostultae> I just use the SDL framework provided
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> but boost didn't take long for me to install on my server, which is a pretty crappy machine
20:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: afaik we don't even use any of the stuff it compiles
20:35 <wrtlprnft> it's all template classes we use
20:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma:I only commited required header boost headers for windows
20:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how much RAM?
20:35 <nemostultae> I compile these libraries: ftgl, libpng. That is it. All else have binary version available
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> 256MB
20:35 <joda_bot> but for linux/unix there are not much more perhaps I even commited those
20:35 <wrtlprnft> see, i have 128MB
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> runs KDE 3.5.2, even
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> really? you mean someone has less ram than I do?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> my parents' machine has 64MB...
20:36 <nemostultae> ouch
20:36 <joda_bot> nemostultae: do you build a framework package before you use the ftgl libpng libraries ?
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> let's hope they never have to build boost
20:36 <wrtlprnft> one gcc process took more memory than there was physical RAM
20:36 <nemostultae> libpng is built as a framwork, I just build ftgl as a static library using their supplied build system
20:36 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: did you commit the headers under thirdparty?
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> or did you put them somewheres else?
20:37 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: no currently they are inside win_libs/boost/include
20:37 <joda_bot> because I didn't consider this problem before
20:37 <Lucifer_arma> can you move them to thirdparty?
20:37 <nemostultae> ftgl requires some tricks to make it a universal binary, though.
20:37 <joda_bot> just noticed once I read the bug entry
20:37 <joda_bot> will do ;)
20:38 <joda_bot> thirdparty/boost/include
20:38 <joda_bot> or
20:38 <joda_bot> thirdparty/boost (which is already the include directory)
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then either add a comment to the bug entry or tell me to add it saying we just need to add the boost stuff in thirdparty to the makefiles
20:38 <joda_bot> ?
20:39 <joda_bot> nemostultae: hm, from your prespective what would be the easiest way to provide mac libs / frameworks ?
20:39 <nemostultae> The way I do now. Download link on my website :)
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> whatever makes the most sense. :) I don't know enough about boost to make that call, joda_bot
20:39 <joda_bot> oh, ok, hm... should we add the required files to armagetron cvs ?
20:40 <joda_bot> There are known bugs in the SDL Framework ?
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> ? not sure I understand that question
20:40 <nemostultae> I don't think we need to keep that stuff under version control
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, nvm, that's for nemo :)
20:41 <nemostultae> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetron/libs <-- downloads
20:41 <joda_bot> ok, if you provide the neccessary files, can you add a link for Building on Mac OS X with the link to it ?
20:42 <joda_bot> I guess this is a good idea, just to have a similiar service for mac os x and windows ;)
20:42 <nemostultae> README-Subversion has the info, I'll add it to the wiki I guess
20:42 <joda_bot> oh alright
20:42 <joda_bot> damn, should have read that myself :|
20:42 <nemostultae> wait, hmm, I though I added it to that file...
20:43 <joda_bot> nemostultae: other branch ? ;)
20:43 <nemostultae> it is in trunk (was looking at 0.2.8)
20:44 <joda_bot> cool ;)
20:44 <joda_bot> ok, anyone of you having any expirience with subnotebooks ?
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> is that a notebook that goes underwater?
20:44 <spidey> By the way, the language is named after the BBC show ``Monty Python's Flying Circus'' and has nothing to do with nasty reptiles
20:44 <spidey> hahahah
20:44 <spidey> i like that
20:44 <joda_bot> notebooks with less than 3.? lbs / 2.0 kg weight ;)
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yeah, that's why there's all sorts of monty python references in the docs :)
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20:45 <spidey> omg
20:45 <joda_bot> got scared of the vacum python ;)
20:45 <joda_bot> ?
20:45 <spidey> seems if i click the wrong spot on xchat it closes a channel
20:46 <spidey> and i don't mean the "x" either
20:55 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5694 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Use NATIVE_ARCH for Debug configuration
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21:04 <spidey> wow
21:05 <spidey> i didn't realize how long it's been since i actually took the time to read something that i learn from O_o
21:05 <spidey> makes the leeft side of my head hurt :/
21:05 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
21:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
21:05 * Lucifer_arma kisses armabot
21:06 <spidey> i'm on chapter 3 of 12 O_o
21:12 <luke-jr_> you read?
21:14 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: actually, I think frameworks in Svn would be a good idea o.o
21:14 <luke-jr_> either that or kick winlibs out =p
21:17 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes,i read...i used to always read,infact i used to learn something new everyday
21:17 <spidey> then i got lazy
21:17 <luke-jr_> or maybe just the frameworks not included with OS X
21:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: =p
21:18 <Vanhayes> brb its staring to storm really hard out
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21:27 <spidey> omg
21:27 <spidey> that's annoying
21:28 <madmax|pt> just don't touch anything spidey
21:29 <spidey> :/
21:38 <spidey> chapter 4 is big O_o
21:38 * spidey goes to tron
21:44 <nemostultae> hmm, 0.3 just crashed.
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22:11 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5695 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
22:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed $(HOME)/Library/Frameworks from the frameworks search path to get rid of
22:11 <armabot> armagetronad: warnings from ld. This directory doesn't always exist, and all frameworks we use
22:11 <armabot> armagetronad: should be in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced anyway.
22:13 <madmax|pt> :D
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> man, I didn't want arts
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> so, anybody know why pyqt3 and pyqt4 can't coexist?
22:21 <nemostultae> Do the commit messages get truncated at a certain length, and you can #more them if needed?
22:21 <spidey> #g 2^4096
22:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:21 <spidey> ???
22:21 <spidey> it doesn't do powers?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> they do get trunctated
22:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the result is too large
22:22 <spidey> O_o
22:22 <wrtlprnft> but as armabot listens in #commits it doesn't have the full messages
22:23 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/88337
22:24 <spidey> i got it
22:24 <spidey> kcalc told me
22:24 <wrtlprnft> kcalk can't tell you the exact result
22:24 <spidey> wanna bet?
22:25 <spidey> watch this
22:25 <spidey> do 2
22:25 <spidey> then that little x symble
22:25 <spidey> then 4096
22:25 <spidey> then click the result
22:25 <wrtlprnft> 8827918950871412730220060418850920835430601094903381980085550536606988561516921953488057039479447039833475200526960380172762739879373708645998199107914995214440736115741587438242374977820731691835843638289457734534569450960802752246931283497178795838653337848472921050097849212841543727531190678106217022368806601098211038639263527138323845061972292320406165736387760878864433702448553833836455876140014114918295349759187821515205067204726843458693363324935420977100395605688990153382864743041054570873830452561250552379604263862766527056930876924313763715036137405516708735514929517493884838769202973156901490366804537295993237863670487277234563657380415084750803206409170426438078138645501140744208765340616448954102374241387406940397686591371849205069946244201750274121430059622426034660476581005432305360926808403121335151036792207933770785068979034811413887927154638738192617025308093967624461046273739124924463242487669848992843660944706216983966827569816889399881461163452049606893187041027802680969489397233322001300259870005627613246992528544094716771840386420733895480374329850476294345367394922905523021810313467187366507485340089584808000771506985358458524597367450933562771723013041622419860253705849555469643302722315443072804780194788480742887738312347230635743260608359701529314529692424864431332598746257958575668398580214995142517128799889674171277180841132512396318814613281670002913118197543767750131311278310252486794020956413708599866378262017523217570760259199157135568182324494336
22:25 <spidey> and press the middle mouse button in here
22:25 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:25 <spidey> :)
22:25 <spidey> it can
22:25 <spidey> but it can't fit it all
22:26 <spidey> so it shows e+
22:26 <spidey> but if you click it then use the middle mouse button to paste it works :)
22:26 <wrtlprnft> i know it's pretty precise, but i didn't know it kept 1500 digits
22:26 <spidey> haha
22:27 <wrtlprnft> 1/3?
22:27 <wrtlprnft> =
22:27 <wrtlprnft> 0.3333333333333333333
22:27 <wrtlprnft> that's lame :P
22:27 <wrtlprnft> should be an infinite amount of 3s
22:27 <spidey> >>> x = 2
22:27 <spidey> >>> y = 4096
22:27 <spidey> >>> x^y
22:27 <spidey> 4098
22:27 <spidey> python does confuse me
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that's probably x (binary xor) y
22:28 <nemostultae> it is **
22:28 <nemostultae> for exponent
22:28 <spidey> mm
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 2^4096
22:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:29 <wrtlprnft> that thing is *really* useless
22:29 <spidey> lol
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22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #math calc 2 ^ 4096
22:29 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #math calc 2 pot 4096
22:29 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #math calc 2 pot4096
22:29 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #math calc 2pot4096
22:29 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #help math
22:30 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: There is no command "math".
22:30 <spidey> ////
22:30 <spidey> ......
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 2**4096
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
22:30 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #math calc pow(2,4096)
22:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's not useless, it just wants a valid python expression
22:30 <spidey> ahhhh
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22:32 <spidey> ok
22:32 <spidey> so i got it in python
22:33 <spidey> 03154190336L
22:33 <spidey> why does it end in a L ?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> long int?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> at least 12345l in c(++) means that
22:33 <spidey> mm
22:35 <nemostultae> numbers starting in 0 are treated as octal, probably
22:36 <nemostultae> starting with*
22:36 <spidey> doesn't start with o
22:36 <spidey> i just copied that
22:36 <spidey> it's long
22:36 <nemostultae> oh, oops
22:50 <Vanhayes> I love how I got kicked out of DS server without an explanation
22:50 <wrtlprnft> your fault if you play there
22:51 <Vanhayes> true, but they could at least give an explanation
22:51 <Vanhayes> first time in there server first round I get polled
22:51 <wrtlprnft> give them an explanation why you play there ;)
22:51 <Vanhayes> heh no one in bugfarm so I went to the one with the most ppl
22:52 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: which server?
22:53 <wrtlprnft> low rubber or the other one
22:53 <Vanhayes> i was in the non low rubber
22:53 <wrtlprnft> let's see if they kick me
22:53 <Vanhayes> now in low rubber
22:53 <wrtlprnft> there's psyko in there :S
22:53 <Vanhayes> ya I think he is the one who polled me
22:53 * Vanhayes is anger
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> he is anger, and I am pain
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> fear us
22:54 * Lucifer_arma got the gtk-qt engine installed
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22:57 <wrtlprnft_> gah
22:57 <wrtlprnft_> #last --nolimit
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft_: [15:57:35] <wrtlprnft_> gah, [15:54:31] * Lucifer_arma got the gtk-qt engine installed, [15:54:15] <Lucifer_arma> fear us, [15:54:13] <Lucifer_arma> he is anger, and I am pain, [15:53:44] * Vanhayes is anger, [15:53:40] <Vanhayes> ya I think he is the one who polled me, [15:53:25] <wrtlprnft> there's psyko in there :S, [15:53:19] <Vanhayes> now in low rubber, [15:53:18] <wrtlprnft> (50 more messages)
22:57 <wrtlprnft_> i hate that
22:58 <wrtlprnft_> x doesn't like if a 3d window gets partly overlayed by another window
22:58 <wrtlprnft_> so i noticed the red battery warning light was flashing
22:58 <wrtlprnft_> so i quickly minimized arma because i knew the warning would pop up onscreen in a second
22:59 <wrtlprnft_> then it did pop up, so i went and plugged the thing into power
22:59 <wrtlprnft_> then i switched back to arma, but the darn warning was still there, so it all crashed on me
22:59 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
23:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: update xorg ;)
23:01 <madmax|pt> muhahah another one bites the dust
23:01 <madmax|pt> blood sucking bugs dieeeee!!
23:01 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ X -version ~
23:01 <wrtlprnft> X Window System Version 7.0.0
23:05 <spidey> Vanhayes, busy?
23:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: perhaps they added patches to it ;)
23:11 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: hmm, currently trying to emerge 7.1
23:11 <joda_bot> ^^
23:11 <wrtlprnft> after unmasking half the portage tree, it seems
23:12 <joda_bot> Yeah, more bugs... it will crash now when init is loaded ;)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> nice outlook
23:13 <wrtlprnft> i have to say, the problem i mentioned grew over time, it wasn't there in the beginning
23:13 <wrtlprnft> in fact, i used to have arma running behind a lot of things all the time
23:13 <wrtlprnft> might be a hardware thing, this machine is getting old
23:13 <joda_bot> serious: most selected packages will work quite fine, only problem I noticed was when you start to use unstable base libraries or system ebuilds
23:14 <joda_bot> x org vanilla released should be fine, I think
23:14 <wrtlprnft> like, unstable gcc?
23:14 <joda_bot> no idea
23:14 <joda_bot> never tried unstable gcc
23:14 <joda_bot> not even gcc 4.0 ;)
23:14 <wrtlprnft> me neither
23:14 <wrtlprnft> i just recently upgraded to 3.x
23:15 <wrtlprnft> 3.4.6
23:15 <wrtlprnft> i had 3.3.something before
23:15 * joda_bot same
23:15 <joda_bot> because some package required it
23:15 <joda_bot> can't recall which one
23:17 <wrtlprnft> gcc 3.4 actually improved things :)
23:17 <spidey> wtf man
23:17 <joda_bot> more warnings ?
23:17 <wrtlprnft> it made arma significantly faster anyhow
23:17 <joda_bot> ah ok ;)
23:17 <wrtlprnft> pentium-m optimisations i guess :)
23:17 <spidey> um
23:17 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: What notebook do you have ?
23:17 <joda_bot> I'm currently considering buying one
23:17 <wrtlprnft> dell latitude D500
23:18 <joda_bot> Portable one
23:18 <wrtlprnft> but that's an old model
23:18 <joda_bot> perhaps with Nvidia graphics...
23:18 <spidey> 3 people in my DF server,all there ip's are the same except the last 2 digits
23:18 <spidey> 2 of them play like bots
23:18 <spidey> but i dunno O_
23:18 <spidey> O_o
23:18 <wrtlprnft> nah, one of the things I'm happy about here is the intel graphics chip
23:18 <wrtlprnft> I'm not restricted to some kernel versions nvidia supports
23:19 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ uname -r ~
23:19 <wrtlprnft> 2.6.17.4
23:19 <joda_bot> well, on gentoo those kernels have been pretty current (last I checked)
23:19 <joda_bot> except you're running unstable kernels ;)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> I'm running the one that has the fix for that core file thingy
23:20 <joda_bot> never had any core file thingy yet ;)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> ?!?!?!
23:20 <wrtlprnft> err
23:20 <wrtlprnft> big security hole
23:20 <joda_bot> 2xP3 733 MHz
23:20 <joda_bot> behind firewall ;)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> they brought down a debian server with that
23:21 <wrtlprnft> but you need a local account
23:21 <joda_bot> Guess the router is more of a problem ;)
23:21 <joda_bot> but it's on older linux stuff
23:21 <wrtlprnft> tho Lucifer_arma has an account, so i should be a bit careful
23:25 <wrtlprnft> my package.keywords has 87 lines :S
23:29 <joda_bot> What are the specs of your D500 , can't find it on Dell's site
23:29 <joda_bot> only some manual (as .exe) which I'm too lazy to install
23:29 <joda_bot> Most interested I am in weight ;)
23:29 <wrtlprnft> uh, sec
23:29 <joda_bot> Because I'm pretty focused on something with less than 2kg
23:30 <joda_bot> perhaps that is too restrictive
23:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:31 <wrtlprnft> it's more than 2kg
23:31 <joda_bot> ah guess ti's close to D520
23:31 <joda_bot> which is 14 or 15"
23:32 <joda_bot> and about 3,+ kg?
23:32 <wrtlprnft> just tried it with a kitchen scale, but it won't measure anything >2kg
23:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: wow thx, for the effort ;)
23:33 <joda_bot> So would you prefer it to be less heavy ?
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23:33 <Brooky> Hi all
23:33 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(29^2+21^2) cm in inches
23:33 <armabot> sqrt((29^2) + (21^2)) * cm = 14.0964676 inches
23:33 <joda_bot> hi brooky
23:33 <wrtlprnft> so that one is 14'' ;)
23:33 <Brooky> could someone check if my server is on the master list please
23:33 <joda_bot> :-)
23:33 <joda_bot> sure
23:34 <joda_bot> which is it
23:34 <Brooky> its called element clan server
23:34 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: well, it's fine for me :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> and looong battery, it used to last 8 hours, now it's like 4, the batteries are dying
23:34 <joda_bot> two batteries ?
23:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:35 <joda_bot> modular bay is good ;)
23:35 <wrtlprnft> one i can swap for a CD drive
23:35 <Brooky> what are you two on about?
23:35 <Brooky> lol
23:35 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't use that for ages now
23:35 <joda_bot> I guess I logged on ?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> if i have some CD i really need i just put it into my server and get the data over wlan
23:35 <joda_bot> can you kick me ? ;)
23:35 <joda_bot> Brooky: ?
23:37 <Brooky> how do kick from server console?
23:37 <Brooky> i forgot
23:37 <Brooky> lol
23:38 <wrtlprnft> first say players
23:38 <wrtlprnft> find the id of the player
23:38 <wrtlprnft> then KICK <id> <reason>
23:38 <joda_bot> worked
23:38 <joda_bot> ;)
23:38 <Brooky> done it
23:38 <joda_bot> lesson learned ;)
23:38 <Brooky> lol
23:38 <Brooky> yes
23:38 <Brooky> thanks
23:38 <joda_bot> np
23:38 <Brooky> so its on then
23:39 <joda_bot> Brooky: did you use a dyndns.org DNS name ?
23:39 <joda_bot> or a similiar Dynamic DNS service?
23:39 <wrtlprnft> dyndns rocks, screw noip
23:39 <Brooky> noip
23:39 <Brooky> lol
23:39 <Brooky> why?
23:39 <joda_bot> because otherwise the server will be listed as a new server everytime ;)
23:39 <joda_bot> cool
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23:39 <joda_bot> I don't care which service it is
23:40 <joda_bot> Though I use dyndns ;)
23:40 <Brooky> so is that good then
23:40 <joda_bot> yes, if you set server_ip to myname.noip.xx
23:40 <joda_bot> it's fine
23:40 <Brooky> ok
23:40 <Brooky> is that in settings_dedicated?
23:40 <joda_bot> GodTodd: Are you also on tronsector.com ? (aka RealTod?)
23:40 <Brooky> what new file do i make?
23:41 <joda_bot> Brooky: You can change it in some .cfg probably, but I'd also adwise on using a autoexec.cfg
23:41 <wrtlprnft> long compile runs should really have status bars :S
23:41 <joda_bot> because you can upgrade the server easily that way
23:41 <Brooky> ok
23:41 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: or tron ascii interfaces ;)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> a la "123 of 321 compiled already"
23:41 <Brooky> server_info
23:42 <wrtlprnft> *files
23:43 <joda_bot> Brooky: create a empty file called "autoexec.cfg" in the var folder
23:43 <joda_bot> and put all changes to the default cfgs into that file
23:43 <wrtlprnft> nonono, that's deprecated
23:44 <wrtlprnft> use server_info.cfg and settings_custom.cfg
23:44 <Brooky> SERVER_IP http://joni.sytes.net
23:44 <Brooky> is that right
23:44 <Brooky> in info one
23:44 <joda_bot> sounds good
23:44 <Brooky> ok
23:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone expierienced with sun machines here?
23:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like the ss20?
23:45 * wrtlprnft has never even seen a sun machine
23:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> these machines are really cool
23:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like best computers ever
23:46 <Brooky> what is a sun machine?
23:46 <joda_bot> Brooky: the ip is not updated yet (atleast in my master list)
23:46 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: I've seen/used some old sun workstations at university
23:46 <Brooky> i still have same ip as before
23:46 <joda_bot> but I can't say I was impressed ;)
23:46 <joda_bot> Brooky: no the server_ip entry wasn't updated
23:47 <Brooky> oh
23:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> joda_bot: i bet you've seen some that are 20 years old and thought they were 5 years old
23:47 <joda_bot> you have to reregister the server (e.g. quit and restart) or perhaps talk_to_master 0 talk_to_master 1 (not sure if that works though)
23:47 <Brooky> ok ill try
23:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, restarting X, prepare for me crashing :S
23:48 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Are you talking about multi terminals or single servers ?
23:48 <joda_bot> Is anyone actually using sun "workstations" ?
23:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have one here
23:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but the problem is
23:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i do not have monitor nor keyboard
23:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i gotta connect to it via serial port
23:48 <Brooky> done it
23:48 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: !??!
23:48 <joda_bot> serial what ? :-P
23:49 <joda_bot> How fast is the proc ?
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 150mhz
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> each
23:49 <spidey> just great
23:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> being 2
23:49 <spidey> scope is in my dogfight server
23:49 * spidey wants so bad to ban him
23:49 <wrtlprnft> hmm, at least it didn't screw everything up
23:50 <joda_bot> Brooky: didn't work for me yet
23:50 <Brooky> try again
23:52 <Brooky> i only have port 4534 open
23:52 <Brooky> that shouldnt matter though# should it
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00:06 <spidey> mkzelda,
00:07 <spidey> mmm
00:07 <spidey> what's this mean
00:07 <spidey> [0] Warning in REAL sn_SendPlanned1() in ../..etwork/nNetwork.cpp:2819 :
00:10 <wrtlprnft> spidey: next line maybe?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> that would be the actual warning ;)
00:11 <spidey> erm
00:11 <spidey> [0] Timer hickup!
00:11 <spidey> that?
00:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
00:11 <wrtlprnft> that is more or less harmless
00:11 <spidey> when it did that
00:11 <spidey> the server went lag crazy
00:11 <wrtlprnft> it just means that you either had some big CPU lag or the timer went backwards
00:12 <Brooky> where are my var dir files on windows?
00:12 <wrtlprnft> probably means arma didn't get any processing time for ~1 second
00:12 <joda_bot> Brooky: still got the ip instead of the dns name
00:12 <joda_bot> Brooky: for the dedicated server in the server's directory
00:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6011
00:13 <Brooky> yes
00:14 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:14 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:14 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:14 <Brooky> night
00:14 <madmax|pt> #insult spidey
00:14 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but an off-color thimbleful of spam-sucking guano.
00:14 <wrtlprnft> #insult spidey
00:14 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a fly-bitten assload of halfbaked user.
00:14 <wrtlprnft> can't harm as a good- night action
00:14 <Brooky> lol
00:16 <wrtlprnft> err, of course i meant
00:16 <wrtlprnft> good night spidey!
00:16 <spidey> ??
00:18 <spidey> #insult madmax|pt
00:18 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a salty pile of vapid toxic.
00:18 <anjori> silly people on the other side of the world, sleeping in the middle of the day
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00:18 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a salty pile of vapid toxic.
00:18 <spidey> ;D
00:18 <madmax|pt> lol
00:19 <Brooky> its 23:19 here
00:19 <Brooky> i will be asleep soon
00:19 <anjori> the UK is silly, too
00:20 <Brooky> thanks.
00:20 <Brooky> lol
00:20 <Brooky> it has a silly government
00:20 <Brooky> i can say that =
00:20 <anjori> so does my country
00:21 <anjori> oh right, it's formed on yours
00:21 <Brooky> which is it?
00:21 <anjori> hail the queen!
00:21 <Brooky> lol
00:21 <anjori> canadia
00:21 <Brooky> ok
00:21 <Brooky> i didnt know that it was formed on mine
00:21 <Brooky> you learn something new every day
00:22 <spidey> it has a silly school system for sure
00:22 <anjori> well, your system. seeing as how we didnt fight for independence like the US. i could be more specific, but that would take effort.
00:22 <spidey> i wish i could goto college at 16
00:23 <anjori> the queen is still technically our head of state
00:23 <spidey> canadians = french/american breed
00:23 <spidey> ;D
00:23 <spidey> that was more the less for Vanhayes
00:23 * anjori slaps spidey for saying that
00:23 <spidey> :p
00:23 <Brooky> i start college in september
00:23 <Brooky> i am 16
00:23 <Brooky> 17 in november
00:23 <spidey> lucky shit
00:24 <spidey> here you don't even get to think about college untill you graduate
00:24 <spidey> that's normally 18
00:24 <spidey> sometimes a year less or more
00:24 <anjori> well, you /could/ start at 16. it's just not commonplace
00:24 <spidey> i could
00:24 <spidey> if i was a genius
00:24 <Brooky> lol
00:25 <Brooky> well i do anyway
00:25 <anjori> i thought you were?
00:25 <spidey> ya right
00:25 <spidey> i can't even type right
00:25 <spidey> tupo every 3 words
00:25 <spidey> typo*
00:25 <anjori> hah
00:25 <anjori> you lose.
00:25 <spidey> :/
00:25 <anjori> unless that was for effect, in which case you win.
00:25 <Brooky> lol
00:26 <spidey> heh,if i say it wass for the efect does it make me look smarter?
00:26 <Brooky> effect*
00:26 <Brooky> lol
00:27 <spidey> :/
00:27 <anjori> you should have just said it was. how would i have known?
00:27 <spidey> lol
00:27 <Brooky> lol
00:28 <anjori> spidey, mate. that was bloody brilliant!
00:28 <spidey> meh
00:29 <anjori> baah
00:29 <spidey> lol
00:30 * anjori prods Lucifer_arma
00:30 <anjori> i came across a funny video i wanted to ask if he's seen
00:31 <spidey> prod? is that the french or american part of you talking?? :p
00:31 * anjori is just more cultured than you.
00:31 <spidey> lol
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00:46 <mkzelda> spidey, your server up?
00:46 <spidey> the dogfighting one
00:46 <spidey> want the fortress one?
00:47 <spidey> pl
00:47 <spidey> ok
00:47 <spidey> it's up
00:49 <mkzelda> that or the 3axes
00:49 <mkzelda> :)
00:49 <mkzelda> fort is fine
00:49 <spidey> k
00:49 <mkzelda> arma versions really influence how well you play
00:50 <spidey> you're admin /admin arena_axes 3
00:50 <spidey> just change everything back before you leave the server
00:50 <mkzelda> since i switched from 0.2.8.0 back to trunk i've been destroying ppl on lag kills
00:50 <mkzelda> instead of always being on the losing end
00:50 <mkzelda> its an unfair advantage
00:50 <mkzelda> heh
00:50 <spidey> lol
00:50 <spidey> i use prediction for that
00:51 <mkzelda> prediction on every computer i've ever tried it on just looks like the game only updates once a second
00:51 <mkzelda> or two
00:51 <mkzelda> people jump from one spot to another
00:51 <mkzelda> every second
00:51 <mkzelda> rather than drawing smooth lines
00:51 <anjori> yeah. i tried it and it drove me nuts
00:51 <spidey> not for me
00:51 <spidey> i've adjusted to it and learned to use it to my advantage
00:52 <spidey> and i play tons better with it
00:52 <spidey> i turn it off
00:52 <spidey> i don't stand a chance anymore
00:54 <joda_bot> #night
00:54 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:56 <Brooky> night!
00:58 * spidey is watching flight 93
00:58 <Brooky> what is flight 93?
00:58 <spidey> a movie...
00:58 <Brooky> nice
00:58 <Brooky> american by any chance
00:59 <Brooky> if so i might not have watched or seen it
00:59 <spidey> ya it's about flight 93 during 9/11 i think
00:59 <joda_bot> #night again
00:59 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:59 <joda_bot> :-)
00:59 <joda_bot> gn8
00:59 <spidey> it's been awhile since i watched it
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00:59 <anjori> was that A&E or discovery channel?
01:00 <spidey> ??
01:00 <spidey> it's a movie....
01:00 <anjori> who made the movie
01:00 <spidey> like hostage
01:00 <spidey> hostel
01:00 <anjori> documentary
01:00 <spidey> any of the other
01:00 <spidey> no!
01:00 <spidey> it's a movie
01:00 <spidey> action
01:00 <anjori> the hollywood one is United 93, i thought
01:00 <spidey> i tihnk
01:00 <spidey> no!
01:02 <anjori> Flight 93: http://imdb.com/title/tt0481522/ made for TV movie by A&E
01:02 <anjori> United 93: http://imdb.com/title/tt0475276/
01:03 <spidey> Also Known As:
01:03 <spidey> Flight 93 (USA) (working title)
01:03 <spidey> United 93 (USA)
01:03 <spidey> Vol 93 (France)
01:03 <spidey> MPAA: Rated R for language, and some intense sequences of terror and violence (appeal planned).
01:05 <anjori> yeah, thats united 93, the hollywood version
01:05 <anjori> the other was made for tv. though not a documentary as i first thought
01:17 <Vanhayes> canadians aren't french/american except for the quebecois, they are prett french
01:17 <Vanhayes> pretty*
01:19 <Vanhayes> not american tho
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01:30 <Vanhayes> #list
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
01:30 <Vanhayes> #list math
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
01:31 <Vanhayes> #convert 178 pounds into kilos
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: intokilos is not a valid unit.
01:31 <Vanhayes> #convert 178 pounds kilos
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: kilos is not a valid unit.
01:31 <Vanhayes> #convert 178 pounds kg
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: 80.73944186
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02:16 <anjori> omg this lilo person keeps messaging me and ignore doesn't work!
02:16 <spidey> um
02:16 <spidey> you can't ignore a notice
02:17 * anjori was kidding.
02:17 <spidey> lol
02:17 <luke-jr_> lol
02:17 <luke-jr_> *I* can ignore a notice
02:17 <anjori> chances are, if you ever see me use "omg" or "lol", whatever i'm saying is full of shit.
02:17 <luke-jr_> | grep -v 'lilo'
02:18 <spidey> argh
02:18 <spidey> it's storming
02:18 <luke-jr_> argv[0]
02:18 <Vanhayes> are u on the east coast spidey?
02:18 <luke-jr_> it's "storming"
02:19 <spidey> ya
02:19 <spidey> luke-jr_, point is? i didn't make a tyop there homie
02:19 <Vanhayes> ya we had a huge storm that lasted only 20 min a few hours ago, that could be the same one
02:20 <anjori> yeah right, vanhayes. it never would have got through the border that quickly.
02:20 <Vanhayes> it was about 5 hours ago
02:20 <madmax|pt> i think i got TKed more than 15 times today
02:20 <Vanhayes> if it starts thundering its the same one
02:20 <madmax|pt> that must be a record
02:21 <anjori> either that was not as amusing as i thought, or you didnt get it
02:21 <spidey> no
02:21 <Vanhayes> heh madmax|pt no
02:21 <spidey> i've killed zop more in one day
02:21 <madmax|pt> lol
02:21 <Vanhayes> yesturday me and chuck got into a little tk war
02:21 <madmax|pt> "grinding tight"?
02:21 <madmax|pt> lol
02:21 <spidey> dude
02:21 <spidey> i only do 3.0 grinds
02:21 <spidey> tough shit if he can't doublegrind right
02:21 <Vanhayes> he double binds it
02:21 <madmax|pt> he probably cant do a "manual" double grind
02:21 <Vanhayes> instead of actually grinding
02:22 <Vanhayes> those are the best ones
02:22 <spidey> i don't doublebind to doublegrind
02:22 <Vanhayes> me either
02:22 <luke-jr_> nothin wrong with doublebinding
02:22 <spidey> i press left(or right) twice then the opposite key the same
02:22 <madmax|pt> well Zop does it all with doube/triple/quad/whatever binds
02:22 <Vanhayes> no, but for double grinding it isnt good
02:22 <luke-jr_> the game is about tactics, not finger speed
02:22 <spidey> but,i only doublegrind when it'll help the team
02:22 <spidey> and unlike everyone else...i don't tk when i do it
02:22 <Vanhayes> yes but triplw quad and + is a little too much to me
02:22 <spidey> unless i don't like the person
02:23 <spidey> then i just run 'em over
02:23 <Vanhayes> I only tk if I lagg and cant break in time
02:23 <spidey> i only tk when i don't like someone or they won't stfu xD
02:23 <Vanhayes> and chatbots
02:24 * spidey needs to start counting his "zop-o-tk" meter
02:24 <madmax|pt> and about the CRAZY <something> dude? he said def down even if it wasnt and he says 15 times def down if it was
02:24 <spidey> lol
02:24 <madmax|pt> sooo lame
02:24 <Vanhayes> ya that doesnt help, that is just team spam
02:30 <Vanhayes> #list
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:30 <Vanhayes> #list games
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
02:31 <spidey> hahahah
02:31 <spidey> hey Lucifer_arma
02:31 <spidey> all this time and there's really nothing you have to do
02:32 <madmax|pt> good night
02:33 <Vanhayes> night
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02:36 <anjori> in namepicker.py, will it take $HOME, or does it have to be hardcoded?
02:36 <anjori> fp = open(os.path.expanduser('/home/spidey/Desktop/words'),"r")
02:40 <spidey> ${HOME}
02:40 <spidey> will work
02:41 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ ./tron.py
02:41 <anjori> sed: can't read /home/anjori/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg: No such file or directory
02:41 <spidey> ya
02:41 <spidey> you gotta change it
02:41 <anjori> obviously, i dont have an autoexec.cfg. what's it used for int he context of this script?
02:42 <spidey> um
02:42 <spidey> player_1
02:42 <spidey> color_r_1
02:42 <spidey> all that stuff
02:42 <spidey> all the script does is
02:42 <spidey> load the list
02:42 <spidey> pick a name
02:42 <spidey> write it to the autoexec
02:42 <spidey> and start tron
02:42 <anjori> is it just pointing to the wrong file, or do i have to create an autoexec?
02:43 <spidey> you have to make one
02:43 <anjori> grr
02:44 <anjori> i have no idea what the format or layout of such a file is
02:44 <anjori> obviously i've never used it
02:44 <spidey> ...
02:44 <spidey> ok
02:44 <spidey> make a autoexec.cfg in /home/anjori/.armagetron/var
02:44 <spidey> open it and put this in it
02:45 <spidey> PLAYER_1 Your_daddy
02:45 <spidey> INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_1
02:45 <spidey> COLOR_R_1
02:45 <spidey> COLOR_G_1
02:45 <spidey> COLOR_B_1
02:45 <spidey> only don't put instant_chat_string_1_1
02:45 <spidey> that's something i'm playing with
02:45 <spidey> but ya
02:45 <anjori> okay
02:46 <anjori> works. cool
02:48 <anjori> though you may want to change the last line in tron.py to "armagetronad &" so it doesnt tie up the console
02:49 <spidey> i'll be playing so why would i need the console?
02:49 <spidey> :p
02:49 <spidey> besides konsole has tabs
02:49 <anjori> hmm, still does for me
02:49 <anjori> maybe i should call the script: ./tron.py & instead
02:49 <anjori> well, for me, i dont like to have much open while i'm playing
02:49 <spidey> lol?
02:50 <anjori> i have enough lag issues as it is. any little thing that uses resources can make it bitchy
02:50 <spidey> haha
02:50 <spidey> you need more ram or a better processor
02:50 <anjori> by call the script, i didnt mean rename the actual script. i meant call it with that option
02:50 <spidey> i know...
02:51 <anjori> after adding the ampersand to the script itself, it still tied up the console
02:52 <anjori> ugh, no matter how i do it, it still does. annoying.
02:52 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ ./tron.py &
02:52 <anjori> [1] 21586
02:52 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ COLOR_R_1 is currently set to 13.
02:52 <anjori> COLOR_G_1 is currently set to 9.
02:52 <anjori> COLOR_B_1 is currently set to 3.
02:53 <spidey> ya?
02:53 <spidey> it's supposed to do that
02:53 <anjori> i know. but what i'm saying is it doesn't let go of the console
02:53 <anjori> the initial launch did, but then the colour values took it back
02:54 <spidey> ?
02:54 <spidey> you can't even do that with armagetronad &
02:55 <luke-jr_> ...
02:55 <luke-jr_> baka
02:55 <luke-jr_> armagetronad &>/dev/null &
02:55 <luke-jr_> or better yet
02:56 <luke-jr_> nohup armagetronad &>/dev/null &
02:57 <spidey> #last --from nemostultae --with http://pas
02:57 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 7614 messages.
02:57 <spidey> gr
03:03 <anjori> heh. these names are so obviously generated
03:05 <anjori> and it's further obvious who added all the names at the end of the word list :P
03:05 <spidey> ??
03:05 <spidey> that's not the point
03:05 <spidey> only the people with the list and using the script will know
03:05 <Vanhayes> #g 5500 seconds in minutes
03:05 <anjori> i know. i'm just easily amused
03:05 <armabot> 5,500 seconds = 91.6666667 minutes
03:06 <anjori> doesnt seem to be changing my colours, though
03:07 <mkzelda> oh yea, i need to use that thing
03:08 <mkzelda> i just played for 91 mins instead
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03:09 <spidey> O_o
03:11 <spidey> anjori
03:11 <spidey> it does change your colors
03:12 <spidey> is one of the colors at 15?
03:12 <spidey> and stays?
03:15 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ ./tron.py
03:15 <anjori> COLOR_R_1 is currently set to 13.
03:15 <anjori> COLOR_G_1 is currently set to 9.
03:15 <anjori> COLOR_B_1 is currently set to 3.
03:15 <anjori> those are the same values each time i run it
03:15 <anjori> (what i already had before running the script)
03:15 <spidey> open tron.py with kwrite
03:15 <spidey> oh
03:15 <spidey> duh
03:15 <spidey> did you add COLOR_R_1 in the autoexec.cfg?
03:15 <anjori> except there wasnt an autoexec.cfg, so wherever else it stores those values
03:16 <spidey> did you put COLOR_R_1
03:16 <spidey> did you put COLOR_G_1
03:16 <anjori> PLAYER_1 Wheat Plant Louse
03:16 <anjori> COLOR_R_1
03:16 <anjori> COLOR_G_1
03:16 <anjori> COLOR_B_1
03:16 <spidey> did you put COLOR_B_1
03:16 <spidey> mmm
03:16 <anjori> exactly what you told me
03:16 <spidey> ok
03:16 <spidey> open tron.py with kwrite
03:16 <anjori> it's changing the name, so something's working
03:17 <spidey> -e "s/COLOR_R_1 .*/COLOR_R_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
03:17 <spidey> -e "s/COLOR_G_1 .*/COLOR_G_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
03:17 <spidey> -e "s/COLOR_B_1 .*/COLOR_B_1 $(python -c "import random; print random.randint(0,33)")/" \
03:17 <spidey> do you have that
03:17 <spidey> ?
03:17 <anjori> yep
03:17 <spidey> it looks exactly like that?
03:18 <anjori> yessir
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03:18 <spidey> errrrr
03:18 <spidey> it works for me
03:19 <spidey> try this
03:19 <spidey> you're on mepis right?
03:19 <anjori> yep
03:19 <spidey> in konsole type ruby
03:19 <spidey> tell me what it does
03:19 <anjori> does it look to any other files for values first? cause obviously my existing colours are stores *somewhere*
03:19 <spidey> no
03:19 <spidey> doesn't matter
03:20 <spidey> the script should write the colors to the autoexec.cfg
03:20 <spidey> then tron loads them from there
03:20 <anjori> yeah, i'm just wondering what file gets the ultimate say to tron, autoexec, or something else
03:21 <spidey> autoexec
03:21 <spidey> if it's in there it gets changed
03:21 <anjori> that's what i thought. just checking
03:21 <anjori> hmm
03:22 <spidey> oh
03:22 <spidey> ern
03:22 <spidey> i dunno,it works for me
03:22 <spidey> do you have ruby installed?
03:22 <anjori> yes..
03:23 <spidey> replace the color lines with this
03:23 <spidey> # -e "s/COLOR_R_1 .*/COLOR_R_1 $(ruby -e 'print rand(15)')/" \
03:23 <spidey> # -e "s/COLOR_G_1 .*/COLOR_G_1 $(ruby -e 'print rand(15)')/" \
03:23 <spidey> # -e "s/COLOR_B_1 .*/COLOR_B_1 $(ruby -e 'print rand(15)')/" \
03:23 <spidey> without the #
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03:23 <anjori> i know that much :P
03:23 <spidey> heh
03:26 <anjori> okay, what the hell have i done now
03:26 <spidey> used ruby to print the color instead of python
03:26 <spidey> it work?
03:26 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ ./tron.py
03:26 <anjori> sed: no input files
03:26 <anjori> ./tron.py: line 9: -e: command not found
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_R_1 is currently set to 13.
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_G_1 is currently set to 9.
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_B_1 is currently set to 3.
03:26 <anjori> so i commented those out and uncommented back the python lines. which resulted in:
03:26 <anjori> anjori@1[Archive]$ ./tron.py
03:26 <anjori> sed: no input files
03:26 <anjori> ./tron.py: line 12: /home/anjori/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg: Permission denied
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_R_1 is currently set to 13.
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_G_1 is currently set to 9.
03:26 <anjori> COLOR_B_1 is currently set to 3.
03:27 <spidey> permission denied?
03:27 <anjori> yeah..
03:27 <anjori> which is bullshit because a) nothing was changed. b) the file has read/write permissions
03:27 <spidey> oh
03:28 <spidey> do bash tron.py
03:29 <anjori> shouldnt need to. tron.py has x permissions, and i'm trying to launch it the exact same way i successfully did before
03:29 <spidey> ohhhhh
03:29 <spidey> cd /home/anjori/.armagetronad/var/
03:30 <spidey> tell me if autoexec.cfg turned into a shellscript
03:33 <anjori> nope
03:37 <spidey> erm
03:37 <anjori> it's annoying me now, so ill come back and look at it later
03:37 <spidey> lol
03:39 <spidey> chmod autoexec.cfg
03:39 <spidey> could try that
03:40 <anjori> to give exec? it only needs to be read, but i was desperate and did. then it tried to interpret the colour and name lines in it as code
03:41 <spidey> mmm
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> is there a gui for emerge?
03:45 <spidey> synaptic?
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> aha, kuroo
03:46 <spidey> actually
03:46 <spidey> yah
03:46 <spidey> was gonna say that
03:46 <spidey> google owns ;x
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> #google gui emerge
03:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.40 seconds: Kuroo - an emerge gui - HOME: <http://www.kuroo.org/>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Gentoo Distcc Documentation: <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- MPlayer: GUI filename handling overflow: <http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200408-01.xml>; LinuxPlanet - Reviews - Distribution Watch: Gentoo Linux 1.2 (2 more messages)
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I need to get arma building again
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> my computer feels faster, is that just psychological or is it really faster?
03:47 <spidey> fresh install?
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, gentoo even
03:48 <spidey> probably feels faster
03:48 <spidey> but isn't
03:48 <spidey> like
03:48 <spidey> dunno how to say it
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> psychological?
03:48 <spidey> fresh installs run smooth untill you start loading them down
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> psychosomatic is where you think you're sick but really aren't
03:48 <spidey> then they tend to get slower
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's just as loaded as the kubuntu partition was
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it has xorg 7.0
03:49 * Lucifer_arma needs to do the xgl thing, too
03:49 <spidey> it's a fresh install though,isn't it?
03:49 <spidey> btw
03:49 <spidey> did you emerge 7.0
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> just finished it yesterday
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I emerged 7.0. It's the default for Gentoo now
03:50 <spidey> or did 7.0 come default?
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I did emerge x11 and got 7.0
03:50 <spidey> k
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> I used the nvidia drivers nvidia provides, not the ones provided by gentoo and they went in smoothly
03:50 <spidey> cause i know on debian if you apt-get 7.0 it leaves out opengl driver
03:50 <spidey> drivers
03:51 <spidey> and causes fps = shit
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, you'd have to reinstall the drivers anyway
03:51 <spidey> well
03:51 <spidey> there's another fault
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> it does irritate me that going that direction doesn't always work, but getting all the dependencies works fine. It should automatically update the software that depends on what you're installing, too
03:52 <spidey> mesa-gl depends on a package 6.something
03:52 <spidey> but
03:52 <spidey> for the version they have it like this
03:52 <spidey> 7:6.something
03:52 <spidey> so it won't instll
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks more than a little
03:53 <spidey> well it did for mepis
03:54 <spidey> but i'm using the ubuntu package
03:54 <spidey> so it works :)
03:54 <spidey> good god
03:55 <spidey> this air conditioner is freezing me todeath
03:55 <spidey> not sure if i'd rather freeze,or sweat todeath
03:56 <spidey> oops
03:56 <spidey> it's been raining
03:56 <spidey> and i left the dogs on the chains
03:56 <spidey> O_o
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> wow, kuroo is sweet
04:12 <Your_mom_arma> I cleaned up the wiki main page and moved all the tournament stuff to its own page
04:13 <spidey> i'm gonna kill me 2 black labs
04:13 <spidey> sliced my thumb
04:14 <spidey> scratched my back and arms
04:14 <spidey> shit in the house
04:14 <spidey> fucked up my white shirt
04:14 <spidey> oh ya,it's war
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> thanks
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> that was for Your_mom_arma , I really don't give a shit if spidey kills his dogs, unless he intends to send them to me afterwards
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> so you can login again, then, mom? ;)
04:17 * spidey plans to send them to Lucifer_arma
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> yeah dunno why i couldnt before
04:23 <mkzelda> my 2 labs just scratched my legs
04:23 <mkzelda> and chewed my couch
04:24 <spidey> haha
04:24 <mkzelda> they keep wanting to lick the blood now
04:24 <spidey> they're preping it for lunch
04:25 <Your_mom_arma> they're vampires they've tasted blood and now they want more
04:25 <mkzelda> are yours littermates?
04:25 <spidey> ???
04:25 <mkzelda> siblings
04:25 <mkzelda> from the same litter
04:25 <mkzelda> brother and sister
04:25 <mkzelda> sister and sister
04:25 <mkzelda> from the same parents
04:26 <mkzelda> fraternal twins
04:26 <mkzelda> related
04:26 <mkzelda> family
04:27 <mkzelda> ya thats cool
04:27 <mkzelda> mine are too
04:27 <spidey> ya
04:27 <spidey> mine are brothers
04:27 <mkzelda> mine are sisters
04:27 <spidey> when i got them they where almost dead
04:27 <spidey> full of worms etc
04:27 <mkzelda> yummy
04:27 <spidey> full blooded labs,even got the webbed feet
04:27 <spidey> i got them free ;x
04:28 <mkzelda> mine are lab and australian/german shepherd
04:28 <mkzelda> and also free
04:28 <mkzelda> and had mites that i had to pay a ton for medicine
04:28 <mkzelda> and special shampoo
04:28 <mkzelda> which had to be applied every week
04:28 <mkzelda> for at least 15 mins
04:28 <mkzelda> that was fun
04:29 <spidey> hahaha
04:29 <spidey> labs love water
04:32 <mkzelda> ya, i'm regretting that i havent taken them to the lake yet
04:33 <mkzelda> im worried that mine wont plow into the water like my last lab did
04:49 <spidey> ?
04:49 <spidey> if it's a true lab it'll love the water
04:49 <spidey> if not call it a sissy and throw rocks at it
04:51 <anjori> Lucifer_arma still around?
04:53 <spidey> what's up with bugfarm?
04:53 <spidey> the max_clients is at 0
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04:53 <spidey> O_o
04:54 <anjori> spidey, have you seen xevi's latest comments on the wiki?
04:54 <spidey> no
04:54 <anjori> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:International_Tron_World_Cup
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04:54 <Vanhayes> are you still on canada's team?
04:54 <anjori> just trying to decode what he's saying makes my head hurt, but yeah, we need a better name
04:54 <spidey> ya remove your name from canada
04:54 <anjori> maybe then they'll stop bitching? personally, i like the North American Free Tron Alliance :P
04:55 <spidey> Rebellious States of the World
04:55 <spidey> Before you remove this section, consider the states in the world that have no recognized government against whom you are discriminating, such as Palestine and Taiwan. What country would you have people that live in those areas join? Their mortal enemy?
04:55 <spidey> * Lucifer - stop being so damn political
04:55 <spidey> * BlAzE
04:55 <spidey> * anjori
04:55 <anjori> Vanhayes: i never was :P
04:55 <spidey> luci,he told you :p
04:55 <Vanhayes> heh Nafta
04:55 <spidey> ya
04:55 <spidey> and team "canada" could join it :p
04:55 <anjori> should do that. not like canada has enough players on its own
04:55 <anjori> and the US has more than enough
04:56 <Vanhayes> guess who put " stop being so damn political"
04:56 <spidey> xevi?
04:56 <GodTodd> hey....my NAFTA joke still has life? :D
04:56 <Vanhayes> psyko
04:56 <anjori> i assumed lucifer did. someoen else is tampering with it?
04:56 <spidey> psyko?
04:56 <Vanhayes> wait pretty sure its psyko
04:56 <anjori> i'll look
04:56 <Vanhayes> ya its him
04:56 <anjori> ugh
04:58 <anjori> should we propose NAFTA, which includes team canada?
04:58 <anjori> otherwise canada cant play, anyway
04:58 <spidey> upto van
04:59 <spidey> i wanna add the comment
05:00 <anjori> well, we gotta figure out what's going on first
05:00 <spidey> A short team will be one with less than 5 players, this will be the minimum numbers of players to play a match. - rules stated this is a group of canada (short) and u.s.(have to many) object to these homo!
05:00 <spidey> xD
05:01 <spidey> erm
05:01 <spidey> can i say asshole on the wiki?
05:01 <Vanhayes> you can probly say A__hole
05:02 <anjori> this covers it: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Armagetron_Advanced_Wiki:Policy
05:32 <mkzelda> wow i had no idea
05:32 <mkzelda> about any of this
05:32 <mkzelda> haha
05:32 <mkzelda> i was interested in playing but not for the US
05:33 <mkzelda> i had no idea others felt like that too
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> from the looks of the us team they're going to lose
05:38 <mkzelda> i tried to find the info on the teams
05:38 <mkzelda> but i never can seem to find what im looking for on the wiki
05:38 <mkzelda> gotta google specific details and let it find it for me
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> here, sorta. Just kicked my wife's ass in chinese checkers. (and my son's and daughter's, but it was their first time playing)
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> hell, all I really wanted to do was collect the players on the short teams that we know already are going to stay short and a some folks who's country teams are already big enough
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> or who'd prefer not to play with the people already signed up to their country's team
05:43 * Lucifer_arma admits finally he wanted to break the rules just for the fuck of it, gotta maintain my rock'n'roll reputation somehow
05:43 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:55 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDo2SMdB-0
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I don't have any sound
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I do have sound
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I have sound but flash can't use it
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> "Daddy, there's a fly in my room"
05:59 <anjori> yeah, i've had problems with sound with flash, too
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> "eat it"
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> "no, it's dark in my room"
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> "Then how do you know there's a fly in there?"
06:00 <anjori> usually have to close whatever's tying it up and restart firefox
06:00 <anjori> pain in the ass
06:00 * Lucifer_arma is emerging xfce because it looked really interesting, but kubuntu wouldn't install it
06:05 <anjori> xfce is nice. though i have the same problem with it as i do gnome; lack of configuration options
06:06 <anjori> admittedly, though, i never looked /that/ closely at it
06:08 <mkzelda> im on xfce4 on this machine atm
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmm, mostly I'm looking for something that is either radically different and cool, or lets me easily construct something that's radically different and cool
06:08 <mkzelda> i really like e17
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> what I really want right this minute is to get pyqt3 and pyqt4 to work
06:10 <mkzelda> e17 libs are nice, there is a dvd player w/ 17 lines of code
06:11 <mkzelda> http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News
06:13 <mkzelda> of course thats stripped down, no comments or nice features
06:13 <mkzelda> the features follow it though
06:25 <spidey> TETRA�METHYL�DIAMINO�BENZHYDRYL�PHOSPHINOUS
06:26 <mkzelda> i havent done that in a long time
06:27 <anjori> spidey, Vanhayes never did answer you :P
06:28 <spidey> Vanhayes<>BITCH
06:28 <spidey> :>
06:28 <Vanhayes> well I cant really speak for all canadians can i?
06:28 <spidey> you're the only one
06:28 <spidey> wrtll don't count
06:28 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
06:28 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a craven pile of bawdy dung.
06:28 <Vanhayes> heh
06:28 <Vanhayes> thewre is JJbean too
06:29 <spidey> is he canadian?
06:29 <Vanhayes> yes
06:29 <spidey> well,you can join if we make it
06:29 <anjori> well, what do you think? we need to start somewhere
06:29 <spidey> he can stay
06:29 <spidey> but reguardless canada won't play if they don't have 5 people
06:29 <anjori> precisely
06:30 <Vanhayes> well If we dont get 5 ppl i think they would join
06:30 <anjori> and currently theres only 3, one who's not even canadian
06:30 <Vanhayes> wrtl is an honorary canadian
06:30 <anjori> but omgz that isnt the purpose of the football tournament!
06:30 <Vanhayes> heh
06:31 <anjori> shouldn't that be honourary? way to represent.
06:31 <spidey> http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture001se0.jpg <<<omg i almost look as fugly as anjori
06:31 <Vanhayes> if we cant get 5 ppl by sunday ill see if canada will want to join up, and if not then ill join up by myself
06:31 <anjori> but i'm a sexy bitch.
06:32 <spidey> hahaha
06:32 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wanna change the name to "North America" and pwn they ass's?
06:32 <spidey> they won't have a legit arguement then
06:32 <anjori> so i say we change the name, and you guys can join later if desired
06:32 <anjori> then explain on the talk page
06:32 <Vanhayes> hmm maybe I should start a Maritimes team just to piss ppl off
06:33 <anjori> really, i like North American Free Tron Alliance ;)
06:33 <spidey> i'll do it,just need to know if luci wants to
06:33 <anjori> North America seems to broad. but free tron makes up liberated, maan :P
06:34 <Vanhayes> tho im pretty sure its only maritimer besides fonkay
06:34 <Vanhayes> ya NAFTA sounds cool
06:34 <Vanhayes> sounds official
06:35 <anjori> okay, i'm tired. i just realized how badly i butchered that sentence
06:35 <Vanhayes> #google NAFTA
06:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.28 seconds: Public Citizen | NAFTA - North America Free Trade Agreement ...: <http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/>; The North American Free Trade Agreement ( NAFTA ): <http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/nafta-alena/menu-en.asp>; North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA>; The NAFTA Secretariat: <http://www (2 more messages)
06:36 <Vanhayes> ha
06:40 <spidey> (00:38:42) center.cen: hahah
06:40 <spidey> (00:38:50) center.cen: queer bait
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:09) lldiqqx3suqqinx3lippzll: faggy queer
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:20) center.cen: lesbian ;x
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:41) lldiqqx3suqqinx3lippzll: :">
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:42) lldiqqx3suqqinx3lippzll: dyke
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:46) lldiqqx3suqqinx3lippzll: (:|
06:40 <spidey> (00:39:59) center.cen: cross dressing tranvestite
06:40 <spidey> (00:40:13) lldiqqx3suqqinx3lippzll: :((
06:40 <spidey> i'm center.cen
06:40 <spidey> that other person is some chick
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/1/6g.jpg <--- me
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> you guys do what you want with the name, I'm probably not going to be able to participate no matter what happens, so if you want to play, make the team at least 6 people since you can't count on me
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://forge.joomla.org/sf/sfmain/do/home <--- if you ever wondered what sourceforge enterprise edition looked like
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07:22 <spidey> This computer has been up for 5 days, 21 Hours, 38 Minutes And 32 Seconds.
07:22 <spidey> my windows box
07:55 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Servers
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08:00 <Your_mom_arma> luci is there anyway you would consider giving me admin rights for the wiki?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> sure
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as I remember how to do that... :)
08:00 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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08:05 <spidey> Database error
08:05 <spidey> From Armagetron Advanced Wiki
08:05 <spidey> A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
08:05 <spidey> (SQL query hidden)
08:05 <spidey> from within function "MathRenderer::_recall". MySQL returned error "1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost)".
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I tried to get math working and wound up wtih that
08:07 <spidey> heh
08:07 <spidey> man
08:07 <spidey> this air conditioner owns
08:07 <spidey> it even has a remote
08:07 <spidey> just for lazy people!
08:11 <nemostultae_> Lucifer_arma: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Special:Userrights
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08:14 <Lucifer_arma> thanks nemostultae , done Your_mom_arma
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08:54 <Your_mom_arma> thanks luci
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> n
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> er
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> np
09:33 <wrtlprnft> there's no way I play for a) a team that's >50% US or b) a team that has PsYkO in it
09:33 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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10:47 <Brooky> Hi
10:48 <Brooky> how do i change my server so it doesnt stop working
10:48 <Brooky> what i mean is
10:48 <Brooky> when i leave it on overnight
10:48 <Brooky> it goes unreachable
10:49 <Brooky> and i want it to stay on
10:50 <Brooky> it happens because it is idle i think
10:50 <Brooky> how do i stop that?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> set DEDICATED_IDLE to 0
10:51 <Brooky> ok
10:51 <Brooky> what about master_idle?
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11:00 * wrtlprnft has an idea
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
11:00 <wrtlprnft> hah
11:00 <wrtlprnft> *heh
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> have you used esvn?
11:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:00 <wrtlprnft> but now i ues the command line
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> is it any good?
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it's ok, but I don't like it too much
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> that bad, huh?
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> so what's your idea?
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it can't pass diffs to vimdiff
11:01 <wrtlprnft> get an armabot alias to print out the documentation of config items
11:01 <wrtlprnft> ie grep the output of armagetronad --doc
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> it might be worthwhile to start a real armagetron plugin to supybot
11:02 <wrtlprnft> pfft
11:02 <wrtlprnft> i prefer python
11:02 <wrtlprnft> err
11:02 <wrtlprnft> io prefer php
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> me too!
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> er, not me!
11:02 <wrtlprnft> i prefer not to write it in python ;)
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with python?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> I can't program in it to well?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> it smells like perl to me ;)
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11:03 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't used to be able to walk very well, but now I walk and run and all that
11:04 <Lizz> hiya guys :)
11:04 <wrtlprnft> hi Lizz
11:04 <Lizz> hiya wrt
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> and, heh, python's relationship to perl is more diametric in nature
11:04 <wrtlprnft> and i don't like a programming language forbidding me to combine tabs and spaces for indentation
11:04 <wrtlprnft> ie force me to change my settongs
11:04 <wrtlprnft> *settings
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> ? how does it force you to change your settings?
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> all you have to do is pick one or the other and be consistent
11:05 <wrtlprnft> my editor does the following:
11:05 <wrtlprnft> 1st indentation: 4 spaces
11:05 <wrtlprnft> 2nd indentation: 1 tab
11:05 <wrtlprnft> 2nd indentation: 1 tab
11:05 <wrtlprnft> 3rd indentation: 1 tab
11:05 <wrtlprnft> err
11:05 <wrtlprnft> 3rd indentation: 1 tab + 4 spaces
11:06 <wrtlprnft> 4th indentation: 2 tabs
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> fix your editor?
11:06 <wrtlprnft> no, i like those settings
11:06 <z-man> Lucifer_arma sounds like Luke now :)
11:06 <wrtlprnft> heh
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> ? I'm all for changing editor settings to accomodate python and I sound like Luke. Great.
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> if it's consistent, how is python having a problem with it?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> it does
11:07 <z-man> It's about the logic of blaming the brokenness of whatever anyone else is doing/using.
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen source files where the guy used tabs for function def lines and spaces for code
11:08 <wrtlprnft> looks like it counts the number of whitespace chars
11:08 <wrtlprnft> so my indentation is 0->4->1->5->2->6 etc
11:08 <wrtlprnft> which python doesn't like
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> what editor are you using?
11:08 <wrtlprnft> gvim
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
11:09 <wrtlprnft> i know how to change it
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, kate lets me have a different indentation config for each filetype
11:09 <wrtlprnft> gvim too
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> so it indents python differently than c++
11:09 <wrtlprnft> but I'm too lazy to set it up
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> well then, z-man, I was right. :) lazy = broken
11:09 <Brooky> i know something that needs changing in the game
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> nice thing about Kate is it's setup that way automatically
11:10 <Brooky> when there are 2 people playing in a server
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, by default, not automatically
11:10 <z-man> and one leaves during a round
11:10 <Brooky> when one exits the other one keeps playing till he dies
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> kate is very nice
11:10 <Brooky> which then loses points on the scores list
11:10 <Brooky> could this be changed?
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> no. we like the idea, because then it's possible to go into chatbot mode and deny the server to all othe rplayers.
11:11 <z-man> ?
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> sorry. I have an email from locutus where someone recently did exactly taht on swampland
11:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: anyways, if i add a plugin i either have to dig out wrtlbot or have you around to reload the darn plugin all the time
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, the right way to do it would be to dig out wrtlbot to test it, and when you're ready to run it in armabot, leave me a message and I'll fix it
11:12 <z-man> I've got a couple of bug cries about that on fortress, too :)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> I only use armabot directly because I'm lazy myself. Maybe I should emerge supybot and set something up for testing.
11:13 <z-man> Of course, there it also happens that the whole team gold leaves at once.
11:13 <z-man> Where the logical thing to do would be to start a new round and match immediately.
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> I went to svn update a few minutes ago and learned I hadn't emerged svn yet :/
11:14 <wrtlprnft> haha
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, z-man, can we check if it's last man standing or freestyle and whenever someone leaves check if there's > 1 players not in spectator mode, and if not, send new_match to the console (or whatever it is)?
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5696 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: (log message trimmed)
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5689 to 5695:
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: r5691 | z-man | 2006-07-14 10:03:39 +0200 (Fri, 14 Jul 2006) | 1 line
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: Delayed turn warning disabled for AIs.
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:15 <armabot> armagetronad: r5690 | z-man | 2006-07-14 09:54:27 +0200 (Fri, 14 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
11:16 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I'll have a look at it, but it may be too complicated. gGame.cpp, you know my rant.
11:16 <Brooky> so it cant be changed then?
11:16 <wrtlprnft> z-man: anything coming out of the rant? ;)
11:16 <z-man> Nothing productive right now :)
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, sometime after 0.2.8 has finally settled and z-man goes to work in the trunk he's promised us a factoring of gGame with some small python stuck in it
11:16 <wrtlprnft> heh
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> at the current rate we might get it for a late christmas present, though. ;)
11:17 <z-man> Brooky: it means we'll try to change it, but can't promise anything.
11:17 <wrtlprnft> :w
11:17 <wrtlprnft> oops
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> kate is very nice
11:17 <Brooky> ok thanks
11:17 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=rubber
11:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER Additional niceness for high ping players || CYCLE_RUBBER Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. || (11 more messages)
11:18 <wrtlprnft> :)
11:18 <wrtlprnft> hope you don't mind an alias there
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> not really, but I do mind aliases that depend on external servers unnecessarily :)
11:18 <wrtlprnft> #alias add armaconfig "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1"
11:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:19 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig MASTER_IDLE
11:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like a commandline option to tell arma to get a list of servers from the master server and poll them, and then output it to stdout
11:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that's probably because it's empty
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> #armaconfig fortress
11:19 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig MASTER_IDLE
11:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE Rate a fortress zone "recovers" from being conquered || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE Rate a fortress zone gets conquered with for each enemy in it || FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT fortress_conquest_timeout_help || FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE Rate a fortress zone "recovers" for each defending player
11:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> also, it should show a #more prompt when there's more :)
11:20 <wrtlprnft> it does
11:20 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig rubber
11:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER Additional niceness for high ping players || CYCLE_RUBBER Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. || (11 more messages)
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> #armaconfig death
11:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: DEATH_SHOT death_shot_help || SCORE_DEATHZONE Amount of points you get for hitting the Death Zone || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode || WIN_ZONE_DEATHS A value of 1 turns it into a death zone. || WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH Minimum number of seconds since the last death before (1 more message)
11:21 <wrtlprnft> haha those are the settings for the shooting hack
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm back in business. I can now wipe out the kubuntu partition at my leisure
11:22 <wrtlprnft> :D
11:26 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ nmap -sR -oS asdf -sX butler ~
11:26 <wrtlprnft> You requested a scan type which requires root privileges. Sorry dude.
11:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:26 <wrtlprnft> very sorry it is
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> Kuroo is very nice too
11:28 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/88777
11:28 <wrtlprnft> -oS for nmap rocks
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is that shit?
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer_arma
11:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
11:28 <wrtlprnft> well
11:29 <wrtlprnft> nmap has various output opions
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> and one of them is "100% on armabot's lameness filter"?
11:29 <wrtlprnft> -oX for xml -oG for grepable text, ...
11:29 <wrtlprnft> and an undocumented -oS for scriptkiddies :D
11:29 <wrtlprnft> just read about it and wanted to see what it would do
11:31 * Lucifer_arma needs to cleanup his armagetronad project directory
11:31 <wrtlprnft> but it's actually a pretty good 13375p33k engine, pretty random
11:31 <wrtlprnft> ie open gets converted to different things, so it's harder to read
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf 13375p33k
11:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 13375p33k: nothing appropriate
11:31 <wrtlprnft> leetspeek :D
11:32 <Brooky> shooting!!!???
11:33 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:33 <wrtlprnft> look at my race server
11:33 <Brooky> what is that?
11:33 <Brooky> which is it?
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11:33 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm abusing it for mines
11:33 <wrtlprnft> the really colorful one
11:33 <Brooky> ok
11:33 <Brooky> ill go on it lateer
11:33 <Brooky> the one with the boost?
11:33 <Brooky> multi color name?
11:33 <wrtlprnft> i think they both have boost
11:34 <wrtlprnft> and they both have multicolored names
11:34 <wrtlprnft> the second one is a bad fake of mine
11:34 <Brooky> does it have your name it the title?
11:34 <Brooky> what is the name of the server?
11:34 <wrtlprnft> sec
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11:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
11:35 <wrtlprnft> 0xff0000r0xff4400a0xff8800c0xffbb00e0xffff00 s0xbbff00e0x88ff00r0x44ff00v0x00ff00e0x00ff44r0x00ff88 (0x00ffbbr0x00ffffa0x00bbffn0x0088ffd0x0044ffo0x0000ffm0x4400ff m0x8800ffa0xbb00ffp0xff00ffs0xff00bb,0xff0088 d0xff0044i0xff0000s0xff4400a0xff8800b0xffbb00l0xffff00e0xbbff00 m0x88ff00o0x44ff00v0x00ff00i0x00ff44e0x00ff88p0x00ffbba0x00ffffc0x00bbffk0x0088ff)
11:35 <wrtlprnft> if that helps
11:35 <wrtlprnft> race server (random maps, disable moviepack)
11:35 <wrtlprnft> without the codes
11:35 <wrtlprnft> that's a simple :s/0x......//g<return> away in gvim :)
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> damn, apparently xfce didn't finish
11:37 <Brooky> ok
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, time for bed
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
11:37 <Brooky> ive been on that before
11:37 <Brooky> night luci
11:37 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: it's been around for ~6 months
11:37 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma
11:38 <wrtlprnft> oh sh***
11:38 <wrtlprnft> i just deleted my colored server name
11:38 <Brooky> ok
11:38 <wrtlprnft> too bad
11:38 <wrtlprnft> it was annoying anyhow
11:38 <Brooky> 0xff0000r0xff4400a0xff8800c0xffbb00e0xffff00 s0xbbff00e0x88ff00r0x44ff00v0x00ff00e0x00ff44r0x00ff88 (0x00ffbbr0x00ffffa0x00bbffn0x0088ffd0x0044ffo0x0000ffm0x4400ff m0x8800ffa0xbb00ffp0xff00ffs0xff00bb,0xff0088 d0xff0044i0xff0000s0xff4400a0xff8800b0xffbb00l0xffff00e0xbbff00 m0x88ff00o0x44ff00v0x00ff00i0x00ff44e0x00ff88p0x00ffbba0x00ffffc0x00bbffk0x0088ff)
11:38 <Brooky> here
11:38 <Brooky> change it back
11:39 <Brooky> lol
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ah, true, it is still there, i posted it
11:39 <Brooky> how do i shoot?
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: brake for a few seconds and release
11:39 <Brooky> oh
11:39 <Brooky> that drops a bomb
11:39 <Brooky> how did you do that?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> sec
11:47 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Making_Maps_Switch_Randomly
11:48 <Brooky> thanks
11:53 <Brooky> whats the url for the map resources
11:53 <Brooky> ?
11:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:54 <Brooky> i made a map abit ago
11:54 <wrtlprnft> oh
11:54 <wrtlprnft> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource
11:54 <Brooky> thanks
11:55 <wrtlprnft> and to add (if you have an account): http://beta.armagetronad.net/addmaps.php
11:55 <Brooky> i do
11:57 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5697 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: The current round and match are now aborted without a winner if the team count changes from 1 to 2 or vice versa.
11:57 <z-man> Doesn't seem to be too hacky :)
11:58 <Brooky> so does that fix my idea?
11:58 <wrtlprnft> just that this file mostly consists of not too hacky hacks
11:59 <Brooky> ok
11:59 <z-man> Brooky: I hope so.
11:59 <Brooky> thanks z-man
12:01 <Brooky> sorry if im being a bit of a pain at the moment with all the questions but...
12:01 <Brooky> you know the dedicated server
12:01 <Brooky> on a windows machine
12:01 <Brooky> is there anyway of making it so it can run in the task bar as a small icon instead of a window
12:01 <Brooky> but when you click the icon it pops up
12:02 <wrtlprnft> you mean a tray icon?
12:02 <z-man> Not that I'd lnow.
12:02 <Brooky> just so when it is minimised it runs as a little icon
12:02 <Brooky> yeah
12:02 <z-man> There are ways to run any app as a system service, that would probably be what I'd try.
12:02 <z-man> But that's all I know :(
12:02 <Brooky> how do i do that?
12:03 <z-man> I don't know :)
12:03 <Brooky> ok
12:03 <wrtlprnft> ask google or joda_bot
12:03 <Brooky> ok
12:03 <Brooky> ill google it first
12:07 <Brooky> ill do a restart to see if i have done it
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12:11 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> your_mom dug up a link that he put on the wiki to do that
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm really going to bed now, serious!
13:41 <spidey> well
13:41 <spidey> i could tell him,i think
13:42 <spidey> it's not hard, just create a new service in services.msc point it to whatever, change setting from disabled to automatic
13:59 * Lizz slaps spider with a german sausage
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14:20 <spidey> 0wtf O_o
14:20 * spidey pokes MaZuffeR
14:22 <spidey> how fucking long does it take to design a website layout
14:22 <spidey> i can do one in 3 hours and it look good
14:23 <Lizz> spider
14:23 <spidey> these fuckers have had almost2 months
14:23 <Lizz> fires bday today
14:23 <spidey> i'm getting mad
14:23 <spidey> no,2 more days
14:23 <Lizz> no... 2day
14:23 <Lizz> he just said
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:12) center.cen: happy b-day bitch,now bend over and take the licks!
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:19) elliotblight: LOL
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:25) center.cen: you get 18!
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:27) elliotblight: licks or kicks ?
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:36) center.cen: licks = paddling
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:43) elliotblight: lol k
14:25 <spidey> (08:24:57) center.cen: i'ma get some huge mother fucker to do it to!
14:25 <spidey> lol
14:25 <Lizz> lmao
14:26 * spidey wonders if he can sue hyper-gaming
14:30 <Lizz> meh
14:30 <Lizz> Charlie walks into his bedroom with a sheep under his arm and says:
14:30 <Lizz> "Darling, this is the pig I have sex with when you have a headache."
14:30 <Lizz> His wife is lying in bed and replies: "I think you'll find
14:30 <Lizz> that's a sheep, you idiot."
14:30 <Lizz> The man says: "I think you'll find I wasn't talking to you."
14:31 <Lizz> rofl
14:36 <spidey> O_o
14:37 <spidey> ok i'm going back to sleep ggplzkthnxbbq
14:37 <spidey> #night
14:37 <armabot> Good night spidey!
14:38 <Lizz> nite hairy legs
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14:39 <madmax|pt> hello
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14:41 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a salty pile of vapid toxic.
14:42 <madmax|pt> argh
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5698 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): Improved accuracy of brake usage simulation and speed decay when taking large timesteps.
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5699 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Typo, typo!
14:52 <z-man> Who taught armabot to auto-insult people?
14:54 <Lizz> dont kno z man sorry.. was doing it when i first came in here :/
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5700 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h gGame.cpp): (log message trimmed)
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5695 to 5699:
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: r5699 | z-man | 2006-07-15 14:49:54 +0200 (Sat, 15 Jul 2006) | 1 line
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Typo, typo!
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
14:54 <armabot> armagetronad: r5698 | z-man | 2006-07-15 14:49:17 +0200 (Sat, 15 Jul 2006) | 1 line
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15:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5701 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Whoops, the first game in single player modde against AIs was immediately restarted.
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17:38 <cusco> howdy
17:48 <luke-jr_> tell #armagetron [insult cusco]
17:48 <luke-jr_> #tell #armagetron [insult cusco]
17:48 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: Dude, just give the command. No need for the tell.
17:48 <luke-jr_> #tell #armagetron [insult cusco] g
17:48 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: Dude, just give the command. No need for the tell.
17:48 <luke-jr_> #insult cusco
17:48 <armabot> cusco - You are nothing but a mangled gob of hugger-muggered assholes.
17:48 <luke-jr_> hm
17:48 <luke-jr_> dunno
18:03 <cusco> #insult #armagetron
18:03 <armabot> #armagetron - You are nothing but an off-color bag of fly-bitten balls.
18:03 <cusco> :)
18:04 <cusco> fly bitten
18:04 <cusco> so
18:04 <cusco> I was reading this maling list
18:04 <cusco> and I discovered this kernel 2.6 exploit code
18:04 <cusco> its really dynamite!
18:05 <cusco> it exploits a root trace in procfs
18:05 <cusco> too bad I don't have anything to exploit but my own machines (which works!)
18:05 <cusco> :P
18:06 <cusco> so I heard that the inter tron is on the 24th
18:06 <cusco> I will go on vacations.. on the 28th
18:06 <cusco> anyway probably my groupd won't pass the group's
18:06 <cusco> :P
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18:34 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even know there was anyone admin on guru3's servers except guru3...
18:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, any isn't tigers classic running some pre-0.2.7 version without a remote admin?
18:42 <guru3> um well
18:42 <guru3> it does have it
18:43 <wrtlprnft> i was just wondering, it would be bad if kama exploited some unknown security hole to gain RA access
18:45 <guru3> no
18:45 <guru3> i think he has access
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19:32 <Brooky> Hi
19:33 <Brooky> how do i turn off the instant winzone in my server?
19:36 <Brooky> and...
19:36 <Brooky> what is the command BIG_BROTHER for?
19:38 <nemostultae> #armadoc BIG_BROTHER
19:39 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig BIG_BRO
19:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: BIG_BROTHER: Did we already send the big brother information?
19:39 <nemostultae> :(
19:39 <nemostultae> big_brother is mentioned in the real docs
19:39 <anjori> Big Brother is watching you.
19:39 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: it controls if the master server gets to know your version and resolution etc
19:39 <wrtlprnft> i know
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but those aren't easy to grep
19:40 <nemostultae> It is only sent once, when you first install the game
19:40 <Brooky> ok
19:40 <Brooky> and how do i fix the instant win zone?
19:40 <nemostultae> WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME 1000000000
19:40 <nemostultae> ?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> As in any software downloaded for free, you can't be completely sure whether Armagetron Advanced has secret functions that, for example, spy on your system internals, exploit known Windows bugs to get to your ISP's password, etc... and send this information to the author. Of course, Armagetron Advanced does not do such a thing, and you can check that in the source code.
19:41 <wrtlprnft> But Armagetron Advanced DOES send some information out: If you connect to the master server for the first time, Armagetron Advanced will send
19:41 <wrtlprnft> <li>Your Operating system and Armagetron Advanced/SDL version</li>
19:41 <wrtlprnft> <li>the information the OpenGL system offers, telling me which
19:41 <wrtlprnft> graphic card you use</li>
19:41 <wrtlprnft> <li>if you are running Armagetron Advanced fullscreen or windowed</li>
19:41 <wrtlprnft> that's the doku, i was too lazy to open it in a browser
19:41 <Brooky> ok
19:42 <Brooky> thats not bad info anyway
19:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5702 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Ok, fixed some more quirks of the new match restart code.
19:42 <anjori> it's very bad! if they know my resolution they can get inside my head!
19:42 <Brooky> lol
19:43 * wrtlprnft goes into anjori's head
19:43 <Brooky> lmao
19:43 <Brooky> how did you get in?
19:43 <anjori> oh no, it's happening again.
19:43 <wrtlprnft> pretty hollow in there jk
19:43 <anjori> i know. i've tried to leave things out so they can't be stolen.
19:44 <cusco> what is a scout?
19:44 <Brooky> what type of scout are you on about?
19:45 <cusco> tron
19:46 <cusco> people asking me if I am a scout
19:46 <cusco> :|
19:46 <luke-jr_> say you're a FBI agent
19:47 <cusco> lol
19:47 <cusco> oki
19:47 <luke-jr_> named Mulder
19:47 <cusco> hehehe
19:48 <cusco> my sister is gone
19:48 <cusco> have ytou seen her?
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19:50 <flea> hey hey
19:50 <wrtlprnft> hi flea
19:53 <flea> they wrtlprnft
19:53 <flea> wrtlprnft: u kno xml?
19:53 <flea> or does anyone
19:54 <anjori> no. but i hear he's a nice guy
19:54 <Brooky> lol
19:54 <wrtlprnft> flea: yeah, enough to make the cockpit format
19:54 <wrtlprnft> but that's about it
19:54 <flea> any about xsl?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> almost none
19:55 <flea> prolly not u r more data side?
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19:56 <wrtlprnft> well, the only thing i did with xslt or whatever it is is modify a kopete theme
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5703 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: (log message trimmed)
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5699 to 5702:
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: r5702 | z-man | 2006-07-15 19:42:33 +0200 (Sat, 15 Jul 2006) | 1 line
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Ok, fixed some more quirks of the new match restart code.
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: r5701 | z-man | 2006-07-15 15:19:10 +0200 (Sat, 15 Jul 2006) | 1 line
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20:39 <Brooky> hi
20:40 <madmax|pt> hey
20:40 <Brooky> is there any people in here that are good with php?
20:40 <Brooky> i need some help changing a script
20:41 <wrtlprnft> well
20:41 <wrtlprnft> i could probably help
20:41 <Brooky> if you check this out
20:42 <Brooky> www.element-stats.clan.pro
20:42 <Brooky> my ladder stats arnt correct
20:42 <Brooky> they are wierd numbers
20:42 <Brooky> not what is in my files
20:42 <wrtlprnft> interesting
20:42 <Brooky> yes
20:43 <Brooky> how can i fix this
20:43 <Brooky> ?
20:43 <wrtlprnft> i guess i need to see the script for that
20:44 <Brooky> how can i show u it?
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20:44 <wrtlprnft> well
20:44 <wrtlprnft> paste it somewhere?
20:44 <Brooky> i have an idea
20:44 <Brooky> sec
20:46 <Brooky> here
20:46 <Brooky> http://joni.vze.com/phpbb2/stats.php.txt
20:48 <Brooky> any ideas?
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that's an ... interesting ... script too
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20:49 <Brooky> it does the job
20:49 <Brooky> well most of it
20:49 <Brooky> i cant figure out why the ladder doesnt work
20:50 <Brooky> can you?
20:51 <madmax|pt> lol -> not this: C:/... THIS: C:\
20:52 <wrtlprnft> that should make no difference
20:52 <wrtlprnft> and if anything he'd have to write C:\\
20:52 <madmax|pt> no?
20:52 <Brooky> i should give it a try anyway to see if it does
20:52 <wrtlprnft> nah, backslashes are teh windows suck
20:52 <Brooky> i am on windows
20:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but PHP is more unix- based and allows /
20:53 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:53 <madmax|pt> if you say so
20:53 <wrtlprnft> oh, why can't that script just use explode()?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> preg_match_all ( '#(\d+)\s+(.*)#', file_get_contents ( $file ), $result );
20:55 <Brooky> what do you mean
20:55 <wrtlprnft> wtf is $result_3?! did whoever wrote that script hear about descriptive variable names?
20:55 <Brooky> i didnt write it
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it's a challenge to find out what this script does
20:57 <Brooky> is there any better scripts?
20:58 <wrtlprnft> well, my script isn't integrated in phpbb or whatever that is
20:58 <Brooky> its a forum
20:58 <Brooky> but it doesnt matter
20:58 <wrtlprnft> ah, really.
20:58 <Brooky> i just need a script
21:00 <wrtlprnft> Brooky: can you insert a print_r($result_3); on line 45?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> just for me to find out what it's actually doing
21:01 <Brooky> done it
21:02 <wrtlprnft> you can remove it again, thanks
21:02 <Brooky> ok
21:02 <Brooky> right
21:02 <wrtlprnft> oh, for heaven's sake, I'll just rewrite that piece
21:03 <Brooky> what do you mean?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/89076
21:04 <wrtlprnft> that should hopefully work
21:05 <wrtlprnft> and it'll probably be faster too
21:05 <wrtlprnft> brb supper
21:08 <Brooky> no stats!
21:11 <madmax|pt> is it on a *.php file?
21:12 <madmax|pt> should it be on one?
21:12 <madmax|pt> just guessing
21:12 <madmax|pt> lol
21:13 <Vanhayes> anyone knoe what VPS fortress is?
21:16 <Vanhayes> know*
21:19 <Brooky> hi
21:19 <Brooky> back
21:20 <Vanhayes> hello
21:20 <anjori> tip: assuming your webserver is configured properly, you dont need to rename to *.php.txt. an extension of .phps will give you the source file.
21:20 <Brooky> ok
21:21 <anjori> and all pretty and colourful syntax highlighting, too.
21:22 <Brooky> okies
21:23 <Brooky> wrtl u there?
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft complaining about wanting to see descriptive variable names? *laugh*
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21:27 <Brooky> lol
21:29 <luke-jr_> 'i' is a good variable name
21:31 <madmax|pt> don't forget 'j'
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> and a
21:31 * Lucifer_arma uses 'a' all the tie
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> *time
21:39 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:52 <Brooky> has anyone got any server stat scripts?
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I have one
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's geared towards showing several servers together, though
21:59 <Brooky> send link please
22:01 <Brooky> i like this one aswell
22:01 <Brooky> http://avalon.mlbel.com/armagetronad/
22:13 <Brooky> is anyone active at the moment
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm floating in and out
22:19 <Brooky> luci
22:19 <Brooky> could i have a look at your script
22:19 <Brooky> the site
22:19 <luke-jr_> if 'i' is already used, use 'i2'
22:20 <Brooky> 0o
22:20 <Brooky> ok
22:20 <wrtlprnft> back
22:21 <Brooky> good#
22:21 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: huh, $result_3 is far less descriptive than mess
22:21 <Brooky> there are prblems with your script
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> Brooky: there are quite a few including my own posted on the forums already
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> (translation: I don't even know where mine is right now)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> well, you can have my complete script as well, at least i know it works
22:23 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sp.php.txt
22:24 <Brooky> thanks
22:24 <wrtlprnft> somewhere in the middle you need to put the location of the files
22:24 <Brooky> ok
22:24 <wrtlprnft> and it has some obsolete functionality, it can apply color codes, but with recent versions of arma they are filtered out
22:25 <wrtlprnft> and it'll merge similar names together
22:26 <wrtlprnft> like, "wrtlprnft |mbc|" and "wrtl prnft" will be put together
22:26 <Brooky> ok
22:26 <wrtlprnft> though it only knows some clan tags, it's far from complete today, so you may wanna add your own
22:27 <Brooky> ok
22:28 <Brooky> what does it do with clan tags?
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22:28 <wrtlprnft> well
22:28 <wrtlprnft> take this example
22:29 <wrtlprnft> on the won matches list there's two people, "wrtlprnft" with 5 matches and "wrtlprnft |mbc|" with 15 matches
22:29 <wrtlprnft> it'll put them together as one user named "wrtlprnft |mbc| aka wrtlprnft" with 20 matches
22:29 <Brooky> pl
22:29 <Brooky> ok*
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22:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: can it handle strategy prefixes?
22:38 <luke-jr_> eg, s/^[ADO]: (.*)$/\1/
22:38 <wrtlprnft> no, not if you don't add them
22:38 <luke-jr_> is it in Svn?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> like, you have to tell them ADQ is a prefix
22:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: far too hacky for that
22:38 <luke-jr_> ...
22:38 <luke-jr_> that's a regexp
22:38 <wrtlprnft> *you have to tell the script
22:39 <luke-jr_> "D:" "O:" or "A:"
22:39 <wrtlprnft> it knows mbc is a clan, so it ignores the tag
22:39 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:39 <wrtlprnft> no, it doesn't
22:39 <luke-jr_> defense, offense, or anti-offense
22:39 <wrtlprnft> sorry, didn't look at it exactly
22:39 <luke-jr_> oh well, I'm promoting those =p
22:40 <luke-jr_> I'm "A: NC< Luke-Jr"
22:40 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't be a problem tho
22:40 <wrtlprnft> you can apply regexes
22:40 <luke-jr_> my 'clan tag' probably would be =p
22:41 <luke-jr_> We should add some flag for 'start name' and 'end name' or something
22:42 <luke-jr_> so I can do "A: NC< 0x:Luke-Jr"
22:42 <luke-jr_> the 0x: signifying the actual name
22:42 <luke-jr_> and someone can do "[foo] 0x:Joe0x: the leader"
22:42 <luke-jr_> but I guess it'd be worthless once we get authentication
22:43 <wrtlprnft> it's far simpler than that, look at it
22:43 <luke-jr_> ?
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23:15 <Brooky> lucifer
23:15 <Brooky> are you there?
23:18 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
23:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 6 days, 5 hours, 53 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <ghableska> O_o
23:20 <Brooky> #seen lucifer_arma
23:20 <armabot> Brooky: lucifer_arma was last seen in #armagetron 58 minutes and 35 seconds ago: <Lucifer_arma> (translation: I don't even know where mine is right now)
23:21 <Brooky> #weather england
23:21 <Brooky> oh deah
23:21 <Brooky> lol
23:21 <Vanhayes> for some reasone the weather thing is gone
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23:27 <Brooky> yeh
23:27 <Brooky> prob unistalled plugin or script
23:38 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has joined #armagetron
23:38 <Lackadaisical> hey
23:38 <Vanhayes> hi Lackadaisical
23:39 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes, madmax|pt : psyko wants a sp-match against aw a week before the ladle
23:39 <Vanhayes> er theres another ladle?
23:40 <Lackadaisical> yeah 2020 is making it a monthly afair i think
23:40 <Vanhayes> nice, so when is this one?
23:41 <Lackadaisical> sat 29th of july
23:42 <Lackadaisical> so the aw vs sp match would be next weekend ( i heard sp only plays matches in the weekend?)
23:42 <Vanhayes> ya heard that too
23:42 <Vanhayes> hmm joda isnt here so not sure tho
23:42 <Lackadaisical> im talking to psyko on msn.. he just confirmed that
23:43 <Vanhayes> ok
23:44 <Vanhayes> this one looks alot more organized than the last one, heh I guess 2020 gave up on the whole "self-organising" idea
23:45 <Lackadaisical> hehe :)
23:49 <Lackadaisical> oh i can't make it next weekend... someone else needs to arrange a time with sp and rally the other aw's
23:50 <wrtlprnft> finally
23:50 <wrtlprnft> there always needs to be someone who needs to do more than others
23:50 <wrtlprnft> same everywhere, arma, wikipedia, linux kernel, ...
23:51 <wrtlprnft> like, do some organisation and keep everyone together
23:51 <Vanhayes> er garismo is the "leader" i guess
23:52 <Vanhayes> but ill give it a shot, shouldnt be that hard
23:53 <Lackadaisical> k, cool
23:53 <Brooky> wrtl
23:53 <Brooky> this guy said
23:53 <Brooky> <Touqen> Brooky: Your regular expression doesn't take into account decimal numbers.
23:55 <wrtlprnft> true
23:55 <wrtlprnft> that regular expression is overkill anyways
23:55 <Brooky> lol
23:55 <Brooky> i know
23:56 <Brooky> some proggammer guy is sorting it out for me
23:56 <Brooky> lol
23:58 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes: i told psyko that i'd ask you to post at his forum for a date/time and stuff
Log from 2006-07-16:
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00:10 <Vanhayes> ya ill do that some time this weekend either tonight or tomorrow
00:19 * spidey yawns
00:19 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:19 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:29 <Brooky> its fixed
00:29 <Brooky> www.element-stats.clan.pro
00:36 <Vanhayes> heh I'm number 3 on that ladder
00:36 <Vanhayes> er 4
00:37 <Brooky> which ladder
00:37 <Brooky> High Scores | Ladder | Won Rounds | Won Matches
00:38 <Brooky> ???
00:39 <Vanhayes> ladder ladder, I was New Brunswick when I tried the server out
00:39 <Brooky> ok cool
00:39 <Vanhayes> I liked it, I dont think ive ever seen a high rubber server with a non-square map. It was fun
00:41 <Brooky> thanks
00:41 <Brooky> i made that map
00:41 <Brooky> my first ever map
00:53 <[NP]Tangent> does Armagetron support joysticks or no?
00:53 <[NP]Tangent> just out of curiosity, cuz I bought one today
00:54 <Brooky> yeah good question
00:54 <Brooky> i dont think it would be as good though
01:27 <spidey> #insult "[NP]Tangent"
01:27 <armabot> [NP]Tangent - You are nothing but a pox-marked stack of gleeking snake.
01:29 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
01:29 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a humid stack of pox-marked grits.
01:29 <spidey> #insult Vanhayes
01:29 <armabot> Vanhayes - You are nothing but a toad-spotted pile of fool-born manuals.
01:30 <Vanhayes> manuals?
01:30 <Vanhayes> #dict manuals
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "manuals" could be found.
01:30 <Vanhayes> #dict manual
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: bouvier: MANUAL. That which is employed or used by the hand, of which a present profit may be made. Things in the manual occupation of the owner cannot be distrained for rent. Vide Tools; wn: manual adj 1: of or relating to the hands; "manual dexterity" 2: requiring human effort; "a manual transmission" [ant: {automatic}] 3: doing (7 more messages)
01:30 <Vanhayes> #more
01:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: or requiring physical work; "manual labor"; "manual laborer" [syn: {manual(a)}] n 1: a small handbook 2: (military) a prescribed drill in handling a rifle [syn: {manual of arms}]; gcide: Manual \Man"u*al\, n. [Cf. F. manuel, LL. manuale. See {Manual}, a.] 1. A small book, such as may be carried in the hand, or conveniently handled; a handbook; specifically, the service book of the Roman (6 more messages)
01:30 <Vanhayes> how is that an insult?
01:30 <Vanhayes> stupid armabot
01:31 <spidey> #insult Vanhayes
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes - You are nothing but a warped stack of spam-sucking warts.
01:31 <Vanhayes> #insult armabot
01:31 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a toad-spotted puddle of unmuzzled IE.
01:31 <spidey> yjrtr
01:31 <Vanhayes> lol IE
01:31 <spidey> something tells me
01:32 <spidey> this KDE theme is killing my fps
01:32 * spidey removes transparent stuff
01:33 <Vanhayes> what is transperant?
01:34 <madmax|pt> its nice when you're playing tron and itunes shuffle ends up on a HD video
01:35 <spidey> LOL
01:35 <spidey> what is?
01:35 <spidey> my panel
01:35 <spidey> my menu
01:35 <spidey> my drop down menus
01:35 <spidey> my terminal
01:35 <spidey> some other things i forget
01:37 <spidey> ok
01:37 <Vanhayes> hmm btw spidey, does that Winamp plugin or script that came with this Xchat u gave me work for you?
01:37 <spidey> that should do
01:38 <spidey> ya it does
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01:38 <Vanhayes> damn, it fucked over my winamp player
01:38 <spidey> m
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01:38 <armabot> insult madmax
01:38 <Brooky> what does it do?
01:38 <spidey> ahah
01:39 <madmax|pt> heh
01:39 <Vanhayes> but that made me get foobar which uses less mem so im happy
01:39 <Vanhayes> why did armabot say Insult madmax?
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01:39 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:39 <spidey> O_o
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01:39 <spidey> mmmm
01:40 <Vanhayes> the winamp thing is supposed to show what song your playing atm Brooky
01:40 <spidey> i don't think armabot likes me anymore
01:40 <madmax|pt> good
01:40 <Vanhayes> armabot should do something
01:40 <spidey> #list alias
01:40 <armabot> spidey: add, armaconfig, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
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01:40 <spidey> mmm
01:41 * spidey goes make breakfast
01:41 <Vanhayes> um it is like 5 ther eisnt it?
01:41 <Vanhayes> wow
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01:41 <spidey> it's 8
01:41 <spidey> and i didn't wake up to long ago
01:41 <spidey> so i'm hungry
01:42 <Vanhayes> it is 8 there?
01:42 <spidey> actually it's 7
01:42 <spidey> my clock's a hour wrong
01:42 <Vanhayes> ya cause its 8 here
01:42 <Vanhayes> id be scared, you might have moved to canada
01:42 <madmax|pt> LOL
01:42 <spidey> i am going to
01:42 <spidey> soon
01:42 <spidey> and i'ma move close to you
01:45 <madmax|pt> Van should: /quit Packing
01:45 <Vanhayes> I live in Nunavut btw
01:45 <Vanhayes> way up north
01:45 <spidey> mmmhmm
01:45 <spidey> i know not to look in nunavut now
01:45 <Vanhayes> heh ok
01:46 <Vanhayes> nunavut is only 7 years old btw
01:46 <spidey> i'll just ask wrtlprnft
01:46 <Vanhayes> fun canadian fact
01:46 <madmax|pt> ..of the day?
01:46 <Vanhayes> heh ya
01:46 <spidey> actually
01:47 <Vanhayes> ill do anyonther one tomorrow
01:47 <spidey> i think i'll move in with madmax|pt
01:47 <spidey> :>
01:47 <madmax|pt> that's cool
01:47 <madmax|pt> errr
01:47 <Vanhayes> lol better ping in fort
01:47 <madmax|pt> the another one tomorrow
01:47 <spidey> ya
01:47 <Vanhayes> ha
01:47 <madmax|pt> spidey, you can't get that far
01:47 <spidey> i can to :D
01:47 <madmax|pt> there's an OCEAN between
01:48 <Vanhayes> start swimming
01:48 <spidey> you know they invented a plane right?
01:48 <madmax|pt> omg
01:48 <Vanhayes> only one?
01:48 <spidey> haha
01:48 <madmax|pt> heh, hope you come by boat
01:48 <spidey> mm
01:48 <spidey> nah
01:48 <spidey> i'll just fly
01:48 * Vanhayes notes that the atlantic isnt the calmest body of water
01:49 <spidey> i'm taking your room to :>
01:49 <madmax|pt> Van, if i started swimming, i would go spidey's direction, and thats bad
01:49 <madmax|pt> i prefer going east
01:49 <spidey> oh ya
01:49 <spidey> you go east long enough you'll be coming my way
01:49 <spidey> so now what?
01:50 <madmax|pt> i'll go north, before i reach you going east
01:50 <madmax|pt> lol
01:50 <spidey> you gonna sleep with penguins?
01:50 <madmax|pt> hmm, no
01:50 <spidey> aka Vanhayes ;D
01:50 <madmax|pt> lol
01:50 <Vanhayes> im not a penguin
01:51 <spidey> lol
01:51 <Vanhayes> ive seen them tho
01:51 <madmax|pt> The Ocean is a Canadian passenger train operated by VIA Rail between Montreal, Quebec and Halifax, Nova Scotia. It is currently the oldest, continuously-operated, named passenger train in North America. The Ocean's schedule takes approximately 20 hours, running overnight in both directions. Together with The Canadian, and VIA's corridor trains, the Ocean provides a transcontinental service.
01:51 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:52 <spidey> they drive trains over the ocean?
01:52 <madmax|pt> lol
01:52 <Vanhayes> ya thats how we do it in canada
01:52 <madmax|pt> no, they drive the ocean across the trains... err, rails
01:52 <Vanhayes> lol
01:53 <spidey> O_o
01:53 <Vanhayes> I think ive been on that actually, it goes thru my town everyone once and a while
01:53 <Vanhayes> pretty big train
01:53 <madmax|pt> 20 hours too
01:53 <Vanhayes> er nvrm havent been on it then, only seen it
01:54 <madmax|pt> here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ocean_%28Passenger_Train%29.jpg
01:54 <madmax|pt> "Inaugurated by the Intercolonial Railway of Canada (IRC),"
01:54 <Vanhayes> ya thats what the one that passes thru looks like
01:54 <madmax|pt> IRC pwns
01:54 <Vanhayes> lol
01:56 <Vanhayes> #dict lowland
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, gazetteer, and gcide responded: gazetteer: Lowland, NC Zip code(s): 28552 Lowland, TN Zip code(s): 37778; wn: lowland adj : of relatively low or level country [ant: {upland}] n : low level country [ant: {highland}]; gcide: Lowland \Low"land\, n. Land which is low with respect to the neighboring country; a low or level country; -- opposed to {highland}. [1913 Webster] {The (1 more message)
01:56 <Vanhayes> #more
01:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lowlands}, Belgium and Holland; the Netherlands; also, the southern part of Scotland. [1913 Webster]
01:57 <spidey> soa owns irc
01:58 <Vanhayes> #wtf soa
01:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: soa: nothing appropriate
01:58 <Vanhayes> #wtf irc
01:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: IRC: internet relay chat
01:58 <Vanhayes> heh
01:58 <spidey> soa = spidey owns all
01:58 <Vanhayes> lies
01:59 <madmax|pt> yeah, spidey owns all lies
01:59 <spidey> no,it's soa not soal
01:59 <spidey> duh
01:59 <madmax|pt> didnt see the = did you?
02:00 <spidey> #google spidey owns
02:00 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.43 seconds: Marvel vs DC Battle #1:Spider-Man vs Batman - Page 3 - Studio ...: <http://www.themovieinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=43525>; www.myspace.com/reginald_vanderhoff: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49113928>; www.myspace.com/greggys: (3 more messages)
02:00 <spidey> #more
02:00 <armabot> spidey: <http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=64932612>; Spiderman Flameslinger: <http://www.instructables.com/id/ECO0HEBO3VEP4HD453/>; Spidey vs. T3 - The Superhero Hype! Boards: <http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75444>; Silver Bullet Comics :: View topic - If Batman was in the marvel ...: (2 more messages)
02:00 <spidey> #more
02:00 <armabot> spidey: <http://www.silverbulletcomics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=633&sid=2016a4d4e7569ecb7af25f51a389a41d>; YouTube - Spider-Man 3 Official Teaser Trailer: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znGIOG7tZok>; Amazon.com: Profile For iwarrior: Reviews: <http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2ICYTQK3ZCX0Z>; TMe:The Spider-Man Movie Fiasco: <http://www.teako170.com/spidey.html>; E3 06: Wii COD (1 more message)
02:00 <spidey> mmm
02:00 <spidey> #more
02:00 <armabot> spidey: 3, PS3 Spidey , 360 Tony Hawk on Activision's E3 ...: <http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/themoviesstuntseffects/news.html?sid=6149365>
02:01 <spidey> O_o
02:01 <spidey> #google Vanhayes owns
02:01 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.78 seconds: Never forgetting BF after 32 yrs - Bigfoot Forums IPB Bigfoot ...: <http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=10700>; Armagetron Advanced Wiki - New pages [en] 2006-05-22T09:04:31Z ...: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Newpages&feed=atom>; Armagetron Advanced Wiki - Recent changes [en] 2006-04-13T14:19 ...: (1 more message)
02:01 <spidey> bah
02:01 <Vanhayes> spider man, spider man, does whatever a spider can. SHoots a web! Any size, catches theives just like flies. Look out here comes the spider man
02:01 <madmax|pt> lol
02:01 <spidey> O_o
02:02 <Vanhayes> wow it shows the changes i just made a few hours ago
02:02 <madmax|pt> "my spidey sense is tingling!"
02:02 <Vanhayes> #more spidey
02:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=100&feed=atom>
02:02 <madmax|pt> ?
02:02 <madmax|pt> ah
02:02 <madmax|pt> nvm
02:03 <Vanhayes> Ha bigfoot forums
02:03 <Vanhayes> not me btw
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02:05 <spidey> you're big hand right?
02:07 <Vanhayes> ya big foot is a crock but Bighand is out there, ive seen him
02:07 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia governer general
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.27 seconds: Governor- General of Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia>; Dalhousie University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalhousie_University>; Sudan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan>; List of first-class cricket records - (2 more messages)
02:07 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia governer general of canada
02:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.40 seconds: Governor- General of Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia>; Dalhousie University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalhousie_University>; List of first-class cricket records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first- (3 more messages)
02:08 <Vanhayes> ...
02:08 <Vanhayes> #more
02:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: class_cricket_records>; Serbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs>; Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/High schools ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/High_schools/other_list>; William Howard Taft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
02:08 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia "governer general of canada"
02:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.25 seconds: Governor- General of Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia>; Dalhousie University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalhousie_University>; List of first-class cricket records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first- (3 more messages)
02:08 <Vanhayes> bah
02:08 <madmax|pt> more and more and more and
02:08 <Vanhayes> #more
02:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: class_cricket_records>; Serbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs>; Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/High schools ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/High_schools/other_list>; William Howard Taft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
02:08 <Vanhayes> heh
02:10 <Vanhayes> #google fight "Prime Minister" "Governor General"
02:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Prime Minister: 181000000, Governor General: 113000000
02:12 <madmax|pt> #google fight "armagetron 0.3" "armagetron 0.2.8"
02:12 <armabot> madmax|pt: armagetron 0.3: 77600, armagetron 0.2.8: 25200
02:12 <Vanhayes> ha
02:12 <madmax|pt> didnt expect that though
02:12 <Vanhayes> nice I always knew it was better
02:12 <madmax|pt> wd 0.3
02:13 <Vanhayes> ya me either thought .2.8 would win
02:13 <madmax|pt> it is... but the glances are a handicap
02:13 <Vanhayes> untill you get used to them
02:13 <madmax|pt> noooo, they're slow
02:14 <madmax|pt> and having to press twice to return is bad
02:14 <Vanhayes> ya but if you go back to .2.8 it is just as bad
02:14 <Vanhayes> had to use it for my sumo match
02:15 <Vanhayes> it was very strange after a month of playing .3 to go back to .2.8
02:18 <madmax|pt> well... good night
02:18 <Vanhayes> night
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02:19 <Vanhayes> er take a look at the AW when u can, we might have a match Vs SP
02:19 <Vanhayes> damn
02:19 <Vanhayes> #help later
02:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "later".
02:19 <Vanhayes> #list
02:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:19 <Vanhayes> #help Lter
02:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "lter".
02:19 <Vanhayes> #help Later
02:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "later".
02:19 <Vanhayes> but there is...
02:20 <Vanhayes> #list alias
02:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
02:20 <Vanhayes> #help m
02:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: (m <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "message $*".
02:21 <Vanhayes> #help man
02:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
02:22 <Vanhayes> #notes
02:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
02:22 <Vanhayes> #helps
02:22 <Vanhayes> #help notes
02:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: (notes [<nick>]) -- If <nick> is given, replies with what notes are waiting on <nick>, otherwise, replies with the nicks that have notes waiting for them.
02:25 <Vanhayes> #later tell Vanhayes test
02:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
02:25 <Vanhayes> #notes vanhayes
02:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
02:25 <Vanhayes> #notes
02:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, Lucifer_arma_, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
02:25 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:31 <Vanhayes> #later tell madmax|pt :take a look at the AW when u can, AW might have a match vs SP next weekend
02:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
02:31 <Brooky> are any of you good with php?
02:41 <spidey> match?
02:44 <Brooky> off
02:44 <Brooky> #night
02:44 <armabot> Good night Brooky!
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02:46 <Vanhayes> spidey: fortress match between AW and SP
02:47 <Vanhayes> SP want a rematch
02:50 <spidey> lol?
02:51 <Vanhayes> we played them in ladle and won 2-0
02:51 <spidey> can't they wait till the next ladle?
02:51 <spidey> lol
02:51 <spidey> it's only 2 weeks ;D
02:52 <Vanhayes> heh ya but practice is always good
02:53 <Vanhayes> is WS playing in the ladle this time?
02:53 <spidey> isn't mom AW ?
02:54 <Vanhayes> dont think so, unless he is using a diff name
03:05 <Vanhayes> #time
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: 08:05 PM, July 15, 2006
03:05 <Vanhayes> #convert 08:05 pm CDT to GMT
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 08:05 is not a valid unit.
03:06 <Vanhayes> #convert 8:05 pm CDT to GMT
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 8:05 is not a valid unit.
03:06 <Vanhayes> meh
03:06 <spidey> #g 8pm CDT in GMT
03:06 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:06 <spidey> O_o
03:06 <spidey> #convert 8pm CDT to GMT
03:06 <armabot> spidey: Error: 8pm is not a valid unit.
03:06 <spidey> lol
03:06 <spidey> #convert 8 CDT to GMT
03:06 <armabot> spidey: Error: CDT is not a valid unit.
03:07 <spidey> ok
03:07 <spidey> anyways
03:07 <spidey> it's 9pm your time
03:07 <spidey> CDT is central
03:07 <Vanhayes> 10 pm here
03:08 <spidey> mm
03:08 <Vanhayes> im ATL
03:08 <Vanhayes> atlantic
03:08 <spidey> ah
03:08 <spidey> tennessee is split into 2 timezones
03:08 <spidey> lol
03:10 <Vanhayes> well Quebec should be part of it is right above and further than new brunswick so it should be in out timezone
03:10 <spidey> mkzelda, you're a member of LOL ?
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03:32 <nemostultae> #armaservers
03:32 <armabot> nemostultae: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:35 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-150.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
03:35 <Lizz> hiya guys :)
03:36 <nemostultae> #armaservers
03:36 <armabot> nemostultae: XzL. Clan "The Server" (9 players) || U.S.Fortress (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (7 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (4 players) || --> In Limbo (2 players) || Poo is funny (1 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.7.1 (1 players) || Unnamed Server (1 players) || Spiral's Den (0 players) || LOL Clan (1 more message)
03:37 <mkzelda> spidey, no
03:38 <Vanhayes> hey Lizz
03:39 <Lizz> hiya vanners
04:29 -!- spidey [n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has left #armagetron ["Leaving"]
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04:30 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a salty pile of vapid toxic.
04:30 <spidey> argh
04:30 <spidey> that shit's annoying
04:30 * spidey beats xchat with a stick
04:34 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as Lucifer_arma_
04:34 <Lucifer_arma_> l
04:34 -!- Lucifer_arma_ is now known as Lucifer_arma
04:35 <spidey> ?
04:35 <spidey> hey luci
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> hi
04:35 <spidey> which of the commands disables the winzone?
04:35 <spidey> i tried but failed
04:35 <spidey> so i shrunk it to -1 in size and expansion
04:35 <spidey> lol
04:35 <spidey> but it still says it's activated
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know :(
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> #armaconfig winzone
04:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Sorry, no matches :S
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #armaconfig zone
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: SCORE_DEATHZONE: Amount of points you get for hitting the Death Zone || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode || WIN_ZONE_DEATHS: A (2 more messages)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #more
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: value of 1 turns it into a death zone. || WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION: Expansion speed of the instant win zone || WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE: Initial size of the instant win zone || WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated || WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the (1 more message)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #more
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: instant win zone is activated || WIN_ZONE_RANDOMNESS: Randomness factor of the initial win zone position. 0 fixes it at the arena center, 1 spreads the zone all over it.
04:36 <spidey> mm
04:36 <spidey> i tried most of those at 0
04:36 <spidey> the timed one it shows up as soon as the round starts
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> try the timed one at -1
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> or just set it really fucking high
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> like 10000000000000
04:37 <spidey> tried
04:37 <spidey> only i used 999999999999999999999
04:37 <spidey> it still showed up
04:37 <spidey> will try it at -1
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> showed up where?
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> you mean it still appeared?
04:37 <spidey> ya
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: <--- it goes hand in hand with this one
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> try setting all the timed ones to -1
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> iirc, the earliest one is used
04:38 <spidey> k
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> so if you have the one set to 1000000000000000, and min_last_death is 5, then 5 seconds after a kill it will appear
04:39 <spidey> mm
04:39 <spidey> i set it to -1
04:39 <spidey> [0] WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH changed from 0 to -1.
04:39 <spidey> [0] 1
04:39 <spidey> [0] 0
04:39 <spidey> [0] Death zone activated! Avoid it!
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> haha
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> that's pretty neat
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> set all the timed ones to unreasonably high values then
04:41 <spidey> everyone logged out
04:41 <spidey> O_o
04:41 <luke-jr_> lol
05:01 <Lizz> ev1 plz note <~~~~~~ ISNT spiders secretary :P
05:02 <spidey> are to
05:02 <Lizz> are not
05:02 <spidey> too
05:02 <Lizz> not
05:02 <spidey> to
05:02 <Lizz> not
05:02 * spidey slaps Lizz
05:02 * Lizz bites spider
05:02 <spidey> your pay is getting cut inhalf!
05:02 * Lizz waxes spiders 8 legs
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> this seems like something roulette would solve
05:03 <spidey> haha
05:03 <Lizz> and his back
05:03 <Lizz> lmao
05:03 <spidey> ok
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> #roulette reload
05:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
05:03 * Lizz looks for pistols
05:03 <spidey> i'll load the gun
05:03 <spidey> amnd mom goes first
05:03 <spidey> :D
05:03 <Lizz> rofl
05:03 * Lizz watches
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> #roulette spin
05:03 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
05:03 * spidey rigs it
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> #roulette
05:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: *click*
05:03 <spidey> #roulette
05:03 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:03 <spidey> O_o
05:03 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:03 <spidey> omg
05:03 * spidey dies
05:04 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|dead
05:04 <Lizz> rofl
05:04 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:04 * Lizz humps spiders dead body
05:04 <spidey|dead> ewwwwwwwwwww
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> #roulette
05:04 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: *click*
05:04 * Vanhayes thinks thats a litlle desperate
05:04 <Lizz> ur dead stfu :P
05:04 <Vanhayes> #roulette spin
05:04 <spidey|dead> #roulette
05:04 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
05:04 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:04 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:04 <spidey|dead> omfg
05:04 <spidey|dead> i hate you
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:05 <Vanhayes> lol
05:05 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:05 <Vanhayes> nice
05:05 <spidey|dead> #roulette
05:05 <armabot> spidey|dead: *click*
05:05 <spidey|dead> wqoot
05:05 <spidey|dead> woot
05:05 <Lizz> heh
05:05 <spidey|dead> your turn lizz
05:05 -!- spidey|dead is now known as SpideyLivesAgain
05:05 <Vanhayes> #roulette spin
05:05 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> zombie!!
05:05 <Lizz> #roulette
05:05 <armabot> Lizz: *click*
05:05 <Lizz> :D
05:06 <Vanhayes> lol
05:06 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:06 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:06 <Lizz> brb i feel like lunch
05:06 <SpideyLivesAgain> i feel like vanhayes!
05:06 * SpideyLivesAgain slaps self
05:06 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:07 <Vanhayes> heh
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:07 <Vanhayes> damn
05:07 <Vanhayes> #roulette spin
05:07 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
05:07 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> stop spinning it
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> lol
05:07 <Vanhayes> lol
05:07 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:07 <Vanhayes> whew
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> moms turn
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> haha
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: *click*
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> O_o
05:07 <Vanhayes> ha
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:07 <SpideyLivesAgain> :o
05:07 <Vanhayes> damn
05:07 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:07 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:08 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> haha
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> oqnws
05:08 <Vanhayes> lol
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> owned
05:08 <Vanhayes> knew that was coming
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette spin
05:08 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:08 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:08 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:08 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:08 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: *click*
05:09 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:09 <SpideyLivesAgain> #roulette
05:09 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:09 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:09 <SpideyLivesAgain> :(
05:09 <Vanhayes> ha
05:09 <Vanhayes> #roulette
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
05:09 <SpideyLivesAgain> #help roulette
05:09 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
05:09 <Vanhayes> armabot roulette
05:09 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
05:09 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
05:09 <Vanhayes> lol
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> #list alias
05:10 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: add, armaconfig, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> everybody check aliases before you play reoulette
05:16 <SpideyLivesAgain> ?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> because I noticed some fake roulette aliases, one called roulete and one called roulettte
05:16 <SpideyLivesAgain> oh
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned them up, of course. but that doesn't stop someone from remaking them
05:16 <Lizz> whats aliases?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
05:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armaconfig, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #ch
05:16 <armabot> +
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove ch
05:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:16 * Lizz dosent understand
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove dotdotdot
05:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #list
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #night
05:17 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
05:17 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma [f]
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> see? they're aliases
05:17 <Lizz> ok i got it
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add roulete *click*
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #roulete
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add roulete echo *click*
05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:18 <Lizz> thats not how u spell it tho
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> #roulete
05:18 <armabot> *click*
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> see?
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> tht's the point. Who's going to notice you misspelled it?
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove roulete
05:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:19 <Lizz> ok
05:19 <Your_mom_arma> beware of cheaters of irc games they're pure evil
05:19 * Lucifer_arma thinks he knows who did it.....
05:19 <Your_mom_arma> it wasnt me
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> yes it was
05:19 <Your_mom_arma> im not registered with the bot
05:19 * Lizz is lost and goes back to her "dumb" corner :D
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have to be registered to make aliases
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> you made mashuffle, remember?
05:20 <Your_mom_arma> actually n54 did
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> i swear im too dumb to do that stuff
05:21 <SpideyLivesAgain> lol
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you've made aliases
05:23 <Your_mom_arma> i really didn't
05:23 * Lucifer_arma notes that "dumb" women aren't terribly attractive no matter how flirty they are
05:23 <Lizz> spider? u dont need any duet do ya?
05:23 <Lizz> im as ugly as sin looceee :D
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> i really havn't
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> i cant remember adding a single alias
05:24 <SpideyLivesAgain> Lizz, you're as ugly as luci?
05:24 <SpideyLivesAgain> sheesh
05:24 <Lizz> yup
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> somebody get tanks chat logs
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> Lizz, i do!
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> i got 200k but still want more :>
05:25 <Lizz> 100k?
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> ya
05:25 <Lizz> :D
05:25 <Lizz> ok gimme an hour it will be back u be awake?
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> ya
05:25 <Lizz> kk good :D
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> i woke up like 6 hours ago
05:25 <SpideyLivesAgain> so i should ;D
05:26 <Lizz> heh
05:26 <SpideyLivesAgain> unless
05:26 <Lizz> well i can prolly give u 180k if u want it
05:26 <SpideyLivesAgain> i decide i need more sleep
05:26 <SpideyLivesAgain> ya,i'll send you 200k crystal
05:26 <Lizz> kk sweet
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> luci i dont know how to prove i didn't do it but i can tell you that if i did do it i wouldnt deny it
05:27 <SpideyLivesAgain> he did it
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I had it narrowed down to either you or n54
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it really was n54?
05:27 <Lizz> will have to send from 3 places spider.. so i can start :D
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> might have been wrtlprnft , and you just watched him do it. I'm pretty sure I saw you use it against n54, though
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, only point is, check aliases before playing roulette
05:27 <SpideyLivesAgain> #last --from n54 --with "#alias add mashuffle"
05:27 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 14742 messages.
05:27 <SpideyLivesAgain> liar
05:28 <Lizz> spider... co ords?
05:28 <SpideyLivesAgain> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with #alias add mashuffle"
05:28 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)
05:28 <SpideyLivesAgain> ?
05:28 <SpideyLivesAgain> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with #alias add mashuffle" --nolimit
05:28 <armabot> SpideyLivesAgain: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message (1 more message)
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> SpideyLivesAgain: it would have been done so long ago that armabot won't have a history of it
05:28 <SpideyLivesAgain> bastard
05:28 <SpideyLivesAgain> oh
05:29 <SpideyLivesAgain> 6:228:9 -moon
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> it would have been done back when n54 was still beating around here
05:29 <SpideyLivesAgain> where he go?
05:29 <Lizz> ok will take me a few hrs
05:30 * SpideyLivesAgain goes to get ice cream
05:33 <Vanhayes> #seen n54
05:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 4 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
05:42 -!- SpideyLivesAgain is now known as spidey
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> something just occured to me
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> on the wiki, it seems like the initial load of everyone registering has gone away. Would it be reasonable to have it so that new users have to be approved by a sysop?
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> that would kill all the spam right away, anyway
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06:20 <spidey> mom
06:20 <spidey> it's back
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> luci sounds like a good idea but i think we should try it out for a time to see how it works... i dont think anyone wants to wait 3 days for an account to be confirmed
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, nobody does, but we have 4 sysops right now
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> and it's almost a certainty that if we ask for a couple more, we'll get enough volunteers that we can pick some good ones :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking at some other stuff right now, there's another problem on the wiki I'd like to see solved that might get solved by moving it to a different system
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> how will we know who are spammers and who are actual users we may not of heard of?
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> whom i think
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's a problem. But if we accept every user still, the delay itself might stop the spamming.
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> Anyway, I'm interested in looking at the phpBB replication thing again with guru3 and getting the forums replicated to the wiki server, at which point I'll install the phpBB/mediawiki integration.
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> that should kill the spam for quite awhile, until the spambots figure out that they need to be phpBB bots for registration before they can be mediawiki bots.
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think we have a lot of spam right this minute, though. But I haven't made my toolbar button for wiki edits yet :)
06:44 <spidey> luci
06:44 <spidey> sshhhh
06:44 <spidey> smom's in a match
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: why?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: he can come back and respnd when he's ready
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: here's sme more stuff to bother you :)
06:45 <spidey> said you're distracting him :p
06:46 <Your_mom_arma> keep reading inbetween rounds
06:48 -!- TitsnAss [n=TitsnAss@c-24-23-180-191.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
06:48 <TitsnAss> yo
06:48 <TitsnAss> hey your mom
06:48 <TitsnAss> i'm in the same armagetron room as you :P
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> hey
06:49 <TitsnAss> damnit i want to play you
06:49 * Lucifer_arma goes to get a spam email he can paste in here
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> you have to know what name he's using to do that :)
06:49 <TitsnAss> whats with the _arma tags
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> the names without _arma were already taken
06:49 <TitsnAss> oh
06:50 <TitsnAss> nice technique you have in sumo your mom
06:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, we know what name he's using :p
06:51 <spidey> changed my dogfight server to a sumo for a small tournament :D
06:51 <TitsnAss> eh?
06:51 <TitsnAss> what name whos using?
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I guess Titboy is in this tourney?
06:54 <TitsnAss> yes
06:54 <TitsnAss> i was 1st
06:54 <TitsnAss> against jjbean
06:54 <TitsnAss> got pwnd
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> you're always "first", one way or the other. heh
06:55 * Lucifer_arma can't wait until titboy figures out how he can justify having invented double-grinding
06:56 <TitsnAss> :P
06:56 <TitsnAss> stop calling me tit boy
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> no
06:57 <TitsnAss> ok lucifag
06:57 <TitsnAss> jk
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore Titboy
06:58 <TitsnAss> is that even your real name?
06:58 <TitsnAss> i think its some name that you found on a porn movie
07:00 <TitsnAss> damnit i want to play mom
07:00 <TitsnAss> lol
07:02 <nemostultae> damn, waiting in line to play sucks.
07:02 <TitsnAss> yes
07:02 <TitsnAss> i've been waiting a hour
07:02 <TitsnAss> since i was the first to playh
07:02 <TitsnAss> i could of had a shower, ate, slept
07:06 <TitsnAss> i want to face your mom
07:06 <TitsnAss> head to head
07:06 <Vanhayes> so do we
07:06 <Vanhayes> we being spidey, nemostultae, and me
07:07 <TitsnAss> lol
07:08 <TitsnAss> MOM
07:08 <TitsnAss> COME BACK
07:09 <TitsnAss> its out of 3 matchs
07:09 <TitsnAss> we are going to die
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07:25 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else not able to authenticate to sourceforge's svn?
07:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5704 /private/Lucifer/: Making my own workspace
07:41 <nemostultae> They made me reset my password a few days ago.
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's all it was for me, too
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, since we have private workspaces, I'm going to go ahead and stick all my little sideprojects into mine :)
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> is aadaemon obsolete now? heh
07:42 * Lucifer_arma thinks it is
07:42 <spidey> ok,next time we decide to have a sumo tourny
07:42 <spidey> mom isn't invited
07:42 <spidey> xD
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man* nag for the scripts you use to run your test servers. Trying to determine if aadaemon is obsolete, and that's what'll determine it. :)
07:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:43 <spidey> aadaemon?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, python script that runs as a daemon in linux, manages the arma server process, hooks up to its stdin/stdout files and can do things based on what it sees
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> only the last part is useful now, it was written in part to deal with broken init scripts that are fixed now
07:45 <spidey> mmm
07:45 <spidey> i want it
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> no you don't, it doesn't work quite right
07:45 <spidey> :(
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> unless you're planning on hacking it :)
07:45 <spidey> mmm
07:45 <spidey> maybe after i finish this python doc
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> it uses the pexpect module to watch the log. I can probably change it....yeah
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's not obsolete, but I need to change it to use the tail stuff that aamaprotator uses
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> you might want aamaprotator, though. It's a map rotation script. match-based, unlike the CT rotator
07:46 <spidey> mm
07:46 <spidey> i don't really use maps on my servers
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> with my next commit, aamaprotator will be in svn
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07:50 <Lucifer_arma> fuck
07:50 <spidey> ?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> after I've done svn add, but before I've added, can I change what's going to get added?
07:51 * spidey doesn't know anything about svn
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, svn remove --force does it
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> now I need to dig up my moviepack and get it in here
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> the classic moviepack's going into svn now, though
07:52 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5705 /private/Lucifer/ (93 files in 17 dirs): Initial import of most of the stuff I've got laying around.
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07:58 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5706 /private/Lucifer/statsig/ (38 files in 2 dirs): Bringing in the statsig. Yippee!
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08:12 <Your_mom_arma> luci the wiki/phbb thing sounds good
08:13 <Your_mom_arma> phpbb
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08:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Server_Administration <--- somebody edit this page
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> just put something there, anything, doesn't matter :)
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09:03 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes doesn't live in nunavut... he had a better ping than me everywhere :S
09:04 <Vanhayes> heh, cant help having a fast connection
09:05 <wrtlprnft> which alias am i being accused for?
09:12 <wrtlprnft> #last --with "alias remove" --nolimit
09:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [22:18:28] <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove roulete, [22:17:12] <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove dotdotdot, and [22:17:03] <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove ch
09:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma made #roulete himself, i didn't do #ch and #dotdotdot has been around for quite a while, Lucifer_arma didn't clean it up when he was deleting half the aliases
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09:14 <Lucifer_arma> heh, nobody's being accused. You sure I made #roulete?
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> (I was just warning people to look at aliases before playing roulette)
09:15 <wrtlprnft> 05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add roulete *click*
09:15 <wrtlprnft> 05:17 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add roulete echo *click*
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> that was today when I was demonstrating it
09:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I removed two roule[t]e aliases awhile back when I deleted a whole bunch
09:16 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't re- create that one
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, I recreated that one to show why people should look at aliases before playing roulette with someone :)
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> me removing ch and dotdotdot was unrelated to the discussion
09:17 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /^...$/ --nolimit
09:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [00:45:47] <spidey> mmm, [00:45:23] <spidey> mmm, [00:08:59] <TitsnAss> MOM, [00:07:41] <TitsnAss> lol, [00:02:38] <TitsnAss> yes, [00:00:24] <TitsnAss> lol, [23:58:09] <Lucifer_arma> heh, [23:54:21] <TitsnAss> yes, [23:51:16] <TitsnAss> eh?, [23:49:19] <Your_mom_arma> hey, [23:20:48] <spidey> mom, [22:27:17] <Lucifer_arma> heh, [22:26:14] <Lizz> heh, [22:24:48] <Lizz> yup, [22:21:49] (14 more messages)
09:17 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /^.{1,3}$/ --nolimit
09:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [00:51:11] <spidey> ?, [00:46:40] <spidey> mm, [00:45:47] <spidey> mmm, [00:45:41] <spidey> :(, [00:45:23] <spidey> mmm, [00:43:04] <spidey> xD, [00:08:59] <TitsnAss> MOM, [00:07:41] <TitsnAss> lol, [00:02:38] <TitsnAss> yes, [00:00:24] <TitsnAss> lol, [23:58:09] <Lucifer_arma> heh, [23:58:05] <TitsnAss> jk, [23:57:29] <Lucifer_arma> no, [23:56:29] <TitsnAss> :P, [23:54:21] <TitsnAss> (28 more messages)
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> > [22:16] <Lucifer_arma> everybody check aliases before you play reoulette
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> > [22:16] <Lucifer_arma> because I noticed some fake roulette aliases, one called roulete and one called roulettte
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> > [22:16] <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned them up, of course. but that doesn't stop someone from remaking them
09:19 <wrtlprnft> yes, i did make the original ones
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> after that Lizz wanted to know what I was talking about, so I created #roulete to show her
09:19 <wrtlprnft> 05:27 <Lucifer_arma> might have been wrtlprnft , and you just watched him do it. I'm pretty sure I saw you use it against n54, though
09:19 <wrtlprnft> so what was that then? ;)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> that was me thinking out loud?
09:19 <wrtlprnft> whatever
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know. 'accusation' implies "I intend to do something about it"
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> which I don't. what could I do that wouldn't just be mean?
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's assumign I could actually do anything, not a safe assumption
09:21 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore wrtlprnft [#math calc 3600*24]
09:21 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore wrtlprnft [math calc 3600*24]
09:21 <wrtlprnft> something like that
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that would just be mean, see
09:22 <wrtlprnft> #ignoreme
09:22 <wrtlprnft> gah
09:22 <wrtlprnft> #echo [x][x][x][x][x]
09:22 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> no point to it, all I was trying to tell them was to check aliases before playing roulette. Really they should just watch to make sure everyone's using the same roulette command
09:23 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> then I wanted to tease your_mom 'cause I thought he'd made the aliases (based on seeing him use them against n54, not good evidence!)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm.......made my workspace today :)
09:24 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'm gonna do this spam protection thing today
09:24 <wrtlprnft> after i get svn to work again, that is
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09:27 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spam
09:27 <wrtlprnft> !
09:27 <wrtlprnft> #lsit alias
09:27 <wrtlprnft> #list alias
09:28 <wrtlprnft> ahhh, right
09:28 * wrtlprnft is stupid
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> warning: /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite: bad command startup -- throttling <--- any idea why that's happening?
09:29 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
09:30 <wrtlprnft> 3 more minutes
09:32 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spam
09:32 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spam
09:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAM_AUTOKICK: Spam score that causes you to get kicked instantly. || SPAM_MAXLEN: Maximal length of chat message. || SPAM_MAXLEN_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when SPAM_MAXLEN differs from its default? || SPAM_PENALTY: Number of seconds to silence a spammer. || SPAM_PROTECTION: Harshness of spam protection; determines min delay between chat messages accepted. || (1 more message)
09:32 <wrtlprnft> #more
09:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAM_PROTECTION_CHAT: Extra factor for SPAM_PROTECTION for chat messages. || SPAM_PROTECTION_REPEAT: Minimum time between identical chat messages. || SPAM_PROTECTION_VOTE: Extra factor for SPAM_PROTECTION for votes. || VOTING_SPAM_ISSUE: The spam level of issuing a vote. || VOTING_SPAM_REJECT: The spam level of getting your vote rejected.
09:37 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't the maps belong more to the resource repository?
09:38 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/maps/
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> one of them--no
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> the other, maybe
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> the one that doesn't is the Crack Pipe signature map
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> besides, I'm not putting my maps there. :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> (there = resource repository)
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09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5707 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: Added prediction of walls on the dedicated server: wall ends can be set to the
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: predicted position the cycle will be at at the time any other game object is
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: simulated to. The other objects check for the presence of these extrapolated
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: wall ends and can delay their simulation until the predicted wall turns real or
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: disappears. This should get rid of most rubberless death bugs, let's hope it
09:56 <armabot> armagetronad: doesn't produce to many new ones.
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10:03 <spidey> 09:03:04 up 22 days, 14:26, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.14, 0.06
10:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5708 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Whoops, fixed braces.
10:21 * wrtlprnft hopes it doesn't produce to many new rubberless death bugs
10:21 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?jnhbvksdj
10:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 12:48:06 up 1 day, 16:42, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
10:21 <wrtlprnft> :(
10:22 <wrtlprnft> that means your kernel is probably voulnerable
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> ?
10:29 <wrtlprnft> there's two holes in there that allow you to gain root access
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> two holes in where?
10:30 <wrtlprnft> kernel
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm, would you like to actually tell me what you're talking about?
10:31 <wrtlprnft> well
10:31 <wrtlprnft> spideys uptime means he didn't update the kernel in the last 20 days, right?
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok
10:32 <wrtlprnft> and there's two holes in the 2.6 series that were found last week
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> aha. makes sense now
10:34 * Lucifer_arma hates updating his kernel
10:34 * wrtlprnft too
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: have you figured out how to checkout from svn?
10:41 <spidey> no
10:41 <spidey> i don't have a svn client i don't think
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> wondering because I'm making the namepicker a bit better now, and it would be awfully convenient if you could just check it out from svn
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5709 /private/Lucifer/ (colors.txt namepicker.py): (log message trimmed)
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: Made the namepicker support more than one file, and made the data files a
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: certain type.
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: So, set config item files=somelist,of,files,separated,by,commas
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: and it will load each one. The format of the files looks like this:
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: [header]
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: name = SOMECONFIGITEMFROMARMA
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> so spidey
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11:27 <Lucifer_arma> if you install an svn client, you can get my namepicker from svn
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11:27 <Lucifer_arma> then you create your file, spidey.txt or whatever, that contains the names you use and the instant chats you use (or the list you've just made or whatever)
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> I just created mine, I'll commit it in a few minutes
11:28 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5710 /private/Lucifer/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
11:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Moved the namepicker for easy checkout by itself and added my own file of names
11:28 <armabot> armagetronad: to it.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> so, install an svn client, then do this:
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> svn checkout https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/namepicker
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> svn checkout https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/namepicker namepicker
11:30 <spidey> gay
11:31 <spidey> repositories have svn things
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> ?
11:31 <spidey> but not the client
11:31 <spidey> :/
11:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5711 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Fixed direction of tail end position prediction on collision detection. Maybe that was the tail lag everyone was screaming about?
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't get it
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhh
11:31 <spidey> they have a arch mirror
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> search for subversion
11:31 <spidey> workbench
11:31 <spidey> etc
11:31 <spidey> oh
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> the package is usually called "subversion" instead of "svn" :)
11:32 * Lucifer_arma just had the same stupid search problem in gentoo, heh
11:32 <spidey> lol
11:33 <spidey> 15 packages
11:33 * spidey is installing the python gui thing
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5712 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5702 to 5711:
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: r5711 | z-man | 2006-07-16 11:31:08 +0200 (Sun, 16 Jul 2006) | 1 line
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed direction of tail end position prediction on collision detection. Maybe that was the tail lag everyone was screaming about?
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:34 <armabot> armagetronad: r5708 | z-man | 2006-07-16 10:11:30 +0200 (Sun, 16 Jul 2006) | 1 line
11:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, now were's this stuff saved at?
11:38 <spidey> nvm
11:38 <spidey> i see it
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, to configure it:
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -c files=list,of,files,separated,by,commas
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> mine has this:
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11:40 <armabot> madmax|pt - You are nothing but a salty pile of vapid toxic.
11:40 <spidey> omfg
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> files = /home/share/Projects/armagetronad/namepicker/colors.txt,/home/share/Projects/armagetronad/namepicker/lucifer.txt
11:40 <spidey> that shut's annoying
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11:40 * spidey beats x-chat with a big ass stick
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> haha
11:40 <spidey> start over
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, to configure it:
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -c files=list,of,files,separated,by,commas
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> mine has this:
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> files = /home/share/Projects/armagetronad/namepicker/colors.txt,/home/share/Projects/armagetronad/namepicker/lucifer.txt
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> but either wrap what you put in quotes or don't put spaces
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's obvious, isn't it? ;)
11:41 <spidey> ya
11:41 <spidey> does it do instant chat?
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -s will print all the config options you have
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> getting there
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> look at colors.txt to see the format for the data files
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> basically, in [header] you do name=CONFIGITEM
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> then you make a section for each name defined in the header and you put the list there
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> just like in colors.txt, where the list items are just numbers that get picked
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> then look in lucifer.txt to see how I did my name. You can add instant chats just like that, or anything else for that matter
11:43 <spidey> mmm
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> so, the idea is that we each keep our own files, and we share those, isntead of tryin to copy each other's changes into a single file
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd use colors.txt (if you want random colors), lucifer.txt, and your own
11:44 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[bin]$ ./tron.py -s
11:44 <spidey> Showing config
11:44 <spidey> Traceback (most recent call last):
11:44 <spidey> File "./tron.py", line 25, in ?
11:44 <spidey> print a + ' = ' + configurator.get('main', a)
11:44 <spidey> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/ConfigParser.py", line 511, in get
11:44 <spidey> raise NoSectionError(section)
11:44 <spidey> ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'main'
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, the file doesn't exist yet
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> the config file, that is
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> you need to make that
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> so do ./tron.py -c files=~/wherever/colors.txt
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> and try it again
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> ./tron.py -c files=~/wherever/colors.txt,~/wherever/lucifer.txt,~/wherever/spidey.txt
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> assumin you put everything in ~/, of course
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11:46 <madmax|pt> hello
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> re madmax|pt
11:47 <spidey> ok
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> then
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> ./tron.py
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> should just start it like it did before
11:50 <spidey> i don't need to do anything to autoexec.cfg?
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> same as before, if the config item isn't mentioned in autoexec.cfg it doesn't get substituted
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> I just changed where the list items come from to make it easier for us to share files (and to get other people doing it :) )
11:52 <spidey> i can't bash tron.py now can i?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a python script
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd do python tron.py instead
11:52 <spidey> ah
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> or you set it executable and then you just type it in
11:53 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ python tron.py
11:53 <spidey> python: can't open file 'tron.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
11:53 <spidey> O_o
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's set executable in svn, so you shouldn't have to do anything, just do "tron.py"
11:53 <spidey> there we go
11:53 <spidey> well
11:53 <spidey> it didn't work :/
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> ?
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> check the console, it outputs exactly what it does there
11:54 <spidey> didn't change anything
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> er, terminal
11:54 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
11:54 <spidey> PLAYER_1
11:54 <spidey> COLOR_R_1 30
11:54 <spidey> COLOR_G_1 17
11:54 <spidey> COLOR_B_1 16
11:54 <spidey> it did
11:54 <spidey> but didn't
11:54 <spidey> hmm
11:54 <spidey> hold on
11:55 <spidey> weird
11:55 <spidey> here's what autoexec.cfg shows
11:55 <spidey> PLAYER_1
11:55 <spidey> COLOR_R_1 30
11:55 <spidey> COLOR_G_1 17
11:55 <spidey> COLOR_B_1 16
11:55 <spidey> but it didn't do the changes
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> is there anything that says this:
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> Can't open file '/home/share/Projects/armagetronad/lucifer.txt'. Sorry.
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> or something to that effect?
11:55 <spidey> nope
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> autoexec.cfg is in ~/.armagetronad/var , right?
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> nothing crazy?
11:56 <spidey> correct
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> did you point it at colors.txt and lucifer.txt?
11:56 <spidey> yup
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> what's tron.py -s say?
11:57 <spidey> er
11:57 <spidey> my autoexec.cfg just got erased when i restarted it
11:57 * Lucifer_arma thinks he should have it back up the old one
11:57 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py -s
11:57 <spidey> Showing config
11:57 <spidey> files = /home/spidey/words.txt,/home/spidey/colors.txt
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> both of those files exist, I take it?
11:57 <spidey> yea
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> if they didn't it would say something
11:58 <spidey> or it wouldn't have let me set it
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> what does words.txt have?
11:58 <spidey> the names
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> can you paste it to a pastebin somewhere?
11:59 <spidey> wow
11:59 <spidey> acid@fallin-angels.com:/public_html/words.txt
11:59 <spidey> acid@fallin-angels.com's password:
11:59 <spidey> stdin: is not a tty
11:59 <spidey> scp: /public_html: Permission denied
11:59 <spidey> O_o
12:00 <spidey> nvm
12:00 <spidey> see what i did
12:00 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/words.txt
12:00 <spidey> all i did was
12:01 <spidey> rename lucifer.txt to words.txt
12:01 <spidey> and added a few lines to the end
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that's the wrong format
12:01 <spidey> ?
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I committed the wrong file
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> lemme check what sourceforge says is tehre :)
12:02 <spidey> i got it
12:02 <spidey> [header]
12:02 <spidey> name = PLAYER_1
12:02 <spidey> [name]
12:02 <spidey> added that
12:02 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
12:02 <spidey> PLAYER_1 Homosexual
12:02 <spidey> COLOR_R_1 26
12:02 <spidey> COLOR_G_1 16
12:02 <spidey> COLOR_B_1 15
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's right :)
12:02 <spidey> but
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I'll fix that
12:03 <spidey> it still doesn't work
12:03 <spidey> lol
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> ? colors are different now?
12:03 <spidey> nope
12:03 <spidey> samename
12:03 <spidey> same colors
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> [04:54] <spidey> COLOR_R_1 30
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> [04:54] <spidey> COLOR_G_1 17
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> [04:54] <spidey> COLOR_B_1 16
12:03 <spidey> yes
12:03 <spidey> it says that
12:03 <spidey> but it's not
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you had to remake it
12:03 <spidey> ?
12:04 <spidey> ya i changed it to 0-33
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> autoexec.cfg you had to remake
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> /home/spidey/colors.txt <--- is this the colors.txt from svn?
12:04 <spidey> yes
12:04 <spidey> um
12:04 <spidey> this is weird
12:04 <spidey> i think my tron's broke
12:04 <spidey> O_o
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> ?
12:05 <spidey> hah
12:05 <spidey> it doesn't write the changes
12:05 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5713 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/ (lucifer.txt namepicker.py): added autoexec.cfg backup and fixed my own name file.
12:05 <spidey> untill i close the client
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> to autoexec.cfg?
12:05 <spidey> ya
12:05 <spidey> ok
12:05 <spidey> it's empty now
12:05 * spidey closes client
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> fp.close()
12:06 <spidey> PLAYER_1 Robin Hood
12:06 <spidey> COLOR_R_1 15
12:06 <spidey> COLOR_G_1 13
12:06 <spidey> COLOR_B_1 3
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> add that to about line 132 or so
12:06 <spidey> that's in there now
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> fp.close()
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:06 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know why it's missing, but ok
12:06 <spidey> gah
12:06 <spidey> /usr/bin takes so long to load
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5714 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/namepicker.py: Oops, forgot to close the file.
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now if you go to your checkout directory and do "svn update", you get the stuff I just added
12:07 <spidey> there's not 132 lines,heh
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> right before os.system("armagetronad"), wherever it is
12:08 <spidey> 125 :p
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
12:08 <spidey> works
12:08 <spidey> ;D
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I added the backing up of autoexec.cfg right before there, that's why you had a different line number at the end
12:08 <spidey> so
12:09 <spidey> cd /home/spidey/namepicker
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> now make your own, leave mine like it is (but do update from svn from time to time)
12:09 <spidey> svn update
12:09 <spidey> ?
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> yep
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> after you make your own, post it and I'll download it, and unless you want me to, I won't put it in svn with mine :)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> but I'll use it
12:09 <spidey> isn't the point to all use the same names? :p
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> and whenever you change it, I'll just need to download it again, and vice versa
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's kinda why I did what I just did
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> see, it uses all of the files. So you don't change my file (unless you really want to), and I don't change yours, and we use *both* files
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> allnamesavailable = lucifer.txt + spidey.txt
12:10 <spidey> mm
12:11 <spidey> but
12:11 <spidey> won't we have some of the samenames twice?
12:11 <spidey> or does it excluse dups?
12:11 <spidey> exclude
12:11 <spidey> like
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't do any duplicate checking, but the only practical effect of that is to weigh that particular name
12:11 <spidey> mm
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> so if there's 20 names total, and you and I each have "Gaymosexual", then gaymosexual will have a 1:10 chance of being picked,
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> the other names will only have 1:20
12:12 <spidey> so i just remove yours from mine?
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> but there shouldn't be dupes. You should factor out my names from your file, and vice versa
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> then we try to get mkzelda.txt, wrtlprnft.txt, etc. :)
12:13 <spidey> i'ma make the instant chat one
12:13 <spidey> ok?
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> sure. :)
12:13 <spidey> only i just deleted owned.txt
12:13 <spidey> bah
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> careful!
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put the instant chat one in svn, so try to make it neutral
12:14 <spidey> ok,this should be simple!
12:14 <spidey> watch me break it :>
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> like, put spidey chats in spidey.txt and the rest of the instant chats in its own file
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> and I'll put lucifer chats in lucifer.txt, probably tomorrow or so
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> I want to see how you've laid them out first, so I can follow that. :)
12:16 <spidey> well wtf
12:16 * spidey slaps kwrite
12:16 * wrtlprnft hugs gvim
12:18 * spidey wonders why the hell i can't edit spidey.txt
12:23 <spidey> ok!
12:23 <spidey> got it
12:23 <spidey> now,luci what you mean by splitting chats up?
12:27 <spidey> hmm
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> like, for example, I'll add "Watch out for that wall!" to lucifer.txt, because it's mine
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd put "/team INCOMING" in a neutral file that everyone uses as a base
12:28 <spidey> mm
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> hey wrtlprnft, you wanna do this anonymous thing?
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> we should try to keep the meaning of each chat the same, though. So if you press your "You did a good job!" chat, you shouldn't get "Watch out for that wall!" :)
12:29 * Lucifer_arma is going to bed now
12:30 <spidey> cya
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll add something that takes lets you ignore config items from files, so you could ignore the chats I have that you don't use or don't like
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> but not tonight
12:31 <spidey> erm
12:32 <spidey> shouldn't i be able to add this to my words file?
12:32 <spidey> instant = INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_1
12:32 <spidey> then [instant]
12:41 <spidey> ok
12:41 <spidey> i got it
12:41 <spidey> now how do i upload these things? O_o
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> just put it somewhere and #message me the link to it :)
12:42 <spidey> k,sec
12:42 * Lucifer_arma is really going to bed now, 'night
12:43 <spidey> #m Lucifer_arma instant chats - http://fallin-angels.com/spideychats.txt
12:43 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
12:45 <spidey> #m Lucifer_arma namelist - http://fallin-angels.com/spidey.txt
12:45 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
13:09 <spidey> ady made a kickass race server
13:09 <spidey> but my ping sucks there
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13:29 <spidey> that's some fucked up shit
13:29 <spidey> the breaker for my room flipped
13:29 <spidey> then the rest of the houses breakers flipped
13:29 <spidey> O_o
13:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5715 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Whoops, enemy clients did only get syncs after turns.
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13:47 <philippeqc> hi
13:54 <wrtlprnft> hi
13:55 <spidey> er
13:55 <spidey> i feel retarded
13:55 <spidey> shut up wrtlprnft ,lol
13:58 <wrtlprnft> i only see if's lame race server there...
14:00 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig map_uri
14:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
14:08 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft back at home?
14:18 <spidey> lol guru
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14:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes, but g2g now
14:37 <philippeqc> cya
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15:06 <Brooky> Bonjour
15:06 <Brooky> Im seeming to be having server problems
15:06 <Brooky> my server does not respond
15:06 <Brooky> it is not letting me on
15:07 <Brooky> instead of it saying the server name it says
15:07 <Brooky> joni.zapto.org:4534
15:07 <Brooky> for some odd reason im not sure why
15:07 <Brooky> could someone please help me
15:08 <philippeqc> Salut
15:09 <philippeqc> francophone?
15:10 <philippeqc> salut brooky
15:20 <Brooky> what?
15:20 <Brooky> brb
16:33 <Brooky> right im back
16:33 <Brooky> phil
16:34 <Brooky> did you get onto my server off the master server list??
16:38 <philippeqc> nope, followed the link you gave
16:47 <Brooky> oh
16:47 <Brooky> ok
16:47 <Brooky> how do i fix the instant kill bug
16:47 <Brooky> its doing my head in
16:47 <philippeqc> instant kill bug?
16:47 <Brooky> yeah
16:48 <philippeqc> what is that
16:48 <philippeqc> never heard of it
16:48 <Brooky> go in my server if you dont believe me
16:48 <Brooky> i think i have discovered a bug
16:48 <Brooky> it happens quite alot
16:48 <madmax|pt> instant kill? maybe you're in InstaGib mode :D
16:48 <Brooky> sometimes when dueling with someone
16:49 <Brooky> you rubber is bypassed
16:49 <Brooky> and you just die
16:49 <philippeqc> there
16:49 <Brooky> what is InstaGib mode?
16:50 <Brooky> did it happen to you?
16:51 <madmax|pt> lol, instagib is a mode in unreal tournament
16:52 <philippeqc> you are supposed to dies when you consume all of your rubber
16:52 <madmax|pt> one shot, one kill
16:53 <Brooky> it is like that
16:53 <Brooky> lol
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18:47 <Brooky> Hi
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18:58 <Brooky> hi
18:58 <Brooky> wb
19:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know what's up with athena.jabber.org?
19:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it seems like the ejabberd locked up :S
19:04 <Brooky> what are you on about
19:04 <Brooky> lol
19:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> do you know what jabber is?
19:06 <Brooky> no
19:06 <Brooky> explai
19:06 <Brooky> n
19:07 <Brooky> Jabber
19:07 <Brooky> 1. Rapid and indistinct speech
19:07 <Brooky> 2. To talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner
19:07 <Brooky> 3. A streaming XML technology mainly used for instant messaging
19:08 <Brooky> number 3?
19:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 3
19:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and athena.jabber.org is a jabber server
19:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the one where i have my account actually
19:09 <Brooky> its isnt working
19:09 <Brooky> http://athena.jabber.org doesnt work
19:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> of course
19:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's not a http server
19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's a jabber server
19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> perhaps you want to go to http://jabber.org
19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or http://status.jaber.org
19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what i see there is that since a while there are no users online and the ram usage of the ejabberd is 16MB
19:10 <Brooky> oh
19:10 <Brooky> sorry
19:10 <Brooky> lol
19:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i assume the jabber service got screwed somehow
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19:37 <anjori> yeah, i havent been able to connect either, [Xpert]DarkStar
19:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
19:40 <anjori> which seems to happen all too often
19:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
19:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still i believe jabber.org is good
19:42 <anjori> if i was /that/ concerned about uptime, i'd go with gmail.com. but something about their "let's retain your data indefinitely" policy doesnt exactly make me scream 'i wanna use this!'
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19:42 <anjori> welcome back
19:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
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19:59 <philippeqc> hi
19:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
19:59 * [Xpert]DarkStar finally made it to compile a sparc linux kernel that is below 2.5 MB
20:00 * philippeqc goes back to zones
20:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> zones?
20:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> running solaris?
20:01 <philippeqc> coding zones
20:01 <philippeqc> what will hopefully be the new version of zones
20:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
20:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
20:03 <philippeqc> yep
20:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> time to reboot my sun
20:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5716 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h):
20:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Better clientside collision prediction.
20:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Server now sents extra syncs when cylces pass walls to work against client mispredictions.
20:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> null modem connection rocks ><
20:12 <cusco> crossed over serial cable
20:12 <cusco> 2-3 3-2 5-5
20:12 <cusco> I use that to connect to my tv digital free to air reciever :P
20:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
20:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i use it to connect to my sun sparc 20
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5717 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed functional typo.
20:19 <cusco> ah!
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20:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is it possible that cleaning /var/lock and /var/run takes ages?
20:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (on a 150mhz machine)
20:40 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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20:55 <Brooky> Hi
20:55 <Brooky> what scores does highscores.txt actually show?
20:55 <philippeqc> hi
20:55 <Brooky> is it single player?
21:00 <guru3> yes
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21:21 <guru3> someone should have told me about the kamikaze thread ><
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23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5718 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): (log message trimmed)
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5711 to 5717:
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:06 <armabot> armagetronad: r5717 | z-man | 2006-07-16 20:13:04 +0200 (Sun, 16 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed functional typo.
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: r5716 | z-man | 2006-07-16 20:05:54 +0200 (Sun, 16 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
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23:17 <mkzelda> bugfarm just drop all connections?
23:22 * spidey yawns
23:22 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: UDP doesn't have connection
23:22 <luke-jr_> s
23:24 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Timeout downloading feed.
23:24 <Vanhayes> bah
23:25 <mkzelda> luke-jr_, its a shame you cant just figure out what someone is trying to ask and answer it
23:25 <mkzelda> instead of wasting time w/ semantics
23:25 <spidey> mmmm
23:26 <spidey> bah
23:26 <mkzelda> its cool, not everyone has that ability
23:26 <mkzelda> im sure you've got some redeeming quality
23:26 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: that's the answer
23:26 <luke-jr_> it can't drop something non-existent
23:26 <luke-jr_> so I don't know what you're asking
23:26 <mkzelda> not really,b ut keep believing that
23:26 <mkzelda> and maybe you'll feel better about yourself
23:27 <luke-jr_> the closest I can guess is that you're asking if the server was restarted
23:27 <luke-jr_> in which case nobody here has a better idea than you
23:27 <mkzelda> its cool, it turns out it was just me
23:27 <mkzelda> but the client told me everyone exited
23:28 <mkzelda> which was a new experience
23:28 <mkzelda> usually i just get dropped while everyone is driving into walls
23:28 <luke-jr_> that is strange
23:28 <luke-jr_> the only way I see it could tell you everyone exited is if the server actually sent that info
23:38 <mkzelda> now my client is stuck and wont disconnect
23:38 <mkzelda> doesnt realize its lost its lost the server
23:38 <mkzelda> just a black screen w/ Running for: 230 seconds
23:38 <mkzelda> running constantly
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> hi everyone!
23:43 <Vanhayes> hello
23:43 <mkzelda> Whats it say when you ping out from the server?
23:43 <mkzelda> Connection lost/terminated?
23:43 <spidey> depends
23:43 <spidey> on your client
23:44 <mkzelda> does it use the word connection?
23:44 <spidey> ya
23:44 <mkzelda> but udp doesnt have a connection
23:44 <mkzelda> heh
23:45 <spidey> * wejp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:45 <spidey> it doesn't have a connection
23:45 <spidey> udp talks directly to a ip
23:45 <mkzelda> the game
23:45 <mkzelda> when u get dropped
23:45 <mkzelda> whats it say?
23:45 <mkzelda> not from irc
23:45 <spidey> oh
23:45 <spidey> ya it says connection timed out
23:46 <spidey> hold on,lemme find a artical
23:46 <mkzelda> just proving a point for luke-jr_
23:46 <mkzelda> anyone would refer to it as a connection, regardless of udp
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> it is a connection
23:47 <spidey> http://www-net.cs.umass.edu/kurose/transport/UDP.html
23:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you get my pm yesterday? O_O
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23:47 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: but it still isn't one and can't be dropped o.o
23:51 <Vanhayes> er anyone know why there is so much weird lag/jumps on bugfarm?
23:56 <z-man-home> No. Everyone is complaining, but nobody sends in recordings, so I can't do anything.
23:56 <z-man-home> I'ts probably related to recent code changes, of course, but that's all I know.
23:56 <z-man-home> Of course, I myself don't lag or jump.
23:57 <z-man-home> I don't even know what people mean when they say "jump"
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yes, and I downloaded it, thanks
23:57 <joda_bot> z-man-home: From my obervations it has to do with ping charity ?
23:57 <spidey> you did? O_o
23:57 <z-man-home> whether they mean their own cycle or the other cycles
23:57 <joda_bot> Next time, I'll recall to record it ;)
23:57 <spidey> freenode says i wasn't registered
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23:57 <Lucifer_arma> I better add a recording option to my namepicker script :)
23:57 <Lizz> hiya guys
23:57 <joda_bot> I've been playing without lag and seen probably exact positions
23:57 <z-man-home> joda_bot: yes, it may be related to ping charity
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> hey z-man-home, you want to jump on the anonymous bandwagon?
23:58 <z-man-home> I already am on it :)
23:58 <joda_bot> I saw players being ahead, being killed by players with worse pings
23:58 <joda_bot> so it's heavly ping charity dependend
23:58 <z-man-home> joda_bot: prediction enabled?
23:59 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: oh, wait, namepicker? You have a script that lets you play with a random name?
23:59 <joda_bot> guess not ... but I'll check ... I was using 0.2.8.2 on ed's CT Wild * server
Log from 2006-07-17:
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: yeah, it's in my /private area in svn. I just added some stuff to make it easy for us all to share our files with our names in them
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> because the only way to truly be anonymous is to have several people using random names from the same list
00:00 <z-man-home> Without prediction, of course, you have to look at the front bit of the lag-o-meter
00:01 <joda_bot> z-man-home: eh, I've got no clue what the setting is called ;)
00:01 <spidey> predict_objects 1 ?
00:01 <joda_bot> predict_objects 0
00:01 <spidey> that turns it off
00:01 <joda_bot> it was 0
00:01 <joda_bot> my ping was between 60-50
00:01 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: cool, will check it out and add my names :)
00:01 * z-man-home is heading for bed
00:02 <joda_bot> oblivions was similiar and xevi had something around 100
00:02 <nemostultae> z-man-home: Here is my really random name script. http://pastie.caboo.se/4412
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I started with nemo's and went from there :)
00:02 <z-man-home> I don't want to be called xexyx :)
00:02 <joda_bot> i saw xevi kill oblivion
00:02 <joda_bot> I'll make a recoding next
00:03 <joda_bot> if I happend to see it, I'll add it to sf
00:03 <joda_bot> or forums ;)
00:03 <z-man-home> k
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00:14 <Vanhayes> Ill try to get a recoeding of the jumps on bugfarm if you want,shouldnt be too hard they happen quite a bit
00:14 <Vanhayes> recording*
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00:34 <spidey> lizz?
00:43 <Brooky> i have some sort of highscores problem with my server
00:44 <Brooky> it isnt updating the single player highscores
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00:44 <Brooky> does anyone have any idea why
00:48 <Brooky> the server is
00:48 <Brooky> element clan
00:48 <Brooky> the stats are
00:48 <Brooky> www.element-stats.clan.pro
00:53 * wrtlprnft hates those servers with people exploiting their admin rights
00:53 <wrtlprnft> you don't /admin KILL anyone for saying something, sorry
00:54 <wrtlprnft> infact, KILL should only be used for really long campers or in test situations where you need a new round
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00:55 <mkzelda> i have a number of recordings
00:55 <mkzelda> w/ jumps and freezes
00:55 <mkzelda> where should i put them?
00:55 <wrtlprnft> forums?
00:55 <Vanhayes> ya I posted on on bugfarm bug crus
00:55 <Vanhayes> one*
00:56 <Vanhayes> crys*
00:56 <mkzelda> i have one really good one where several people's individual bikes stopped moving
00:56 <mkzelda> as in, i stopped moving on my own screen
00:56 <spidey> heh
00:56 <mkzelda> and i cried bug and was recording
00:56 <spidey> people got stuck in the wall
00:56 <Vanhayes> same
00:56 <spidey> then killed me xD
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=73831#73831
00:56 <mkzelda> i usually see everyone else stop moving for x amount of time
00:56 <Vanhayes> I have a SS of when somone died yet somehow there tail went about 25 "metres" from their death hole
00:57 <mkzelda> but this one *i* stopped moving
00:57 <Vanhayes> wo
00:57 <Vanhayes> that hasnt happened to me yet
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> nor me
00:57 <mkzelda> yea, and other people said they experienced it too
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> that is pretty fucked up
00:57 <mkzelda> and i cried bug
00:57 <wrtlprnft> why would ed need SVN access to create resources?
00:57 <mkzelda> lemme check the replay on that
00:57 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about models and textures and stuff
00:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> and he'd need svn access to put them in our repository :)
00:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, for the title screen and stuff it would be handy
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> lack would need it for working on webpages for us, and whatever graphics (or anything else) he wanted to create
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, see, someone recently fooled with the textures in svn and the result is much better than was shipped in 0.2.8. It would be nice if we had a couple of people doing that sort of thing all the time
00:59 <mkzelda> hrm fastforward is going really slow now
00:59 <mkzelda> its hardly faster than regular playback
01:00 <mkzelda> and im trying to get to ~1500
01:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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01:03 <mkzelda> arg, why is fastforward so slow now
01:03 <wrtlprnft> well
01:03 <mkzelda> its like 2x at best
01:03 <wrtlprnft> it needs to remodel all that's happening
01:03 <wrtlprnft> *what's
01:04 <mkzelda> if i turn down gfx settings b4 i wawtch a replay it should help?
01:04 <wrtlprnft> dunno
01:04 <wrtlprnft> fastforward has to calculate all the engine stuff
01:04 <wrtlprnft> it has to do as much of that as it did on the original run
01:05 <mkzelda> im at 1200 now
01:05 <wrtlprnft> afaik all it does is set the timer as fast as it can while not skipping engine frames and skip graphic frames
01:05 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: then let it finish
01:06 <mkzelda> no way to just jump to a scene
01:06 <wrtlprnft> no
01:06 <mkzelda> there it is
01:06 <mkzelda> k, its a good one
01:06 <wrtlprnft> recordings record user/network input, not "states"
01:06 <mkzelda> its in succession tho right?
01:06 <wrtlprnft> so recovering one states requires to process all input that came in before
01:07 <wrtlprnft> *one state
01:07 <mkzelda> could it not mark the start of a round
01:07 <mkzelda> and then you could fast forward based on # of rounds
01:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno, ask z-man
01:07 <mkzelda> it'd skip thru the log, and find that mark
01:07 <mkzelda> x # of marks
01:07 <madmax|pt> where do you get those names Vanhayes ?
01:08 <Vanhayes> im very creative
01:08 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: this might break on some things too
01:08 <madmax|pt> lol
01:08 <nemostultae> you can manually slice out sections of recordings, I think. z-man mentioned it once.
01:08 <Vanhayes> just type random leters till it sounds like a name
01:08 <mkzelda> that'd be worth it
01:08 <wrtlprnft> <-- like that
01:09 <mkzelda> wertlepornfoot
01:09 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:09 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:09 <Vanhayes> heh except mine usually have vowels
01:09 <Vanhayes> night wrtlprnft
01:12 <mkzelda> so where in the forum do i post this bug
01:12 <mkzelda> and can i upload a 4-5mb file?
01:12 <Vanhayes> its in bugfarm its happening for you right?
01:12 <mkzelda> yea
01:13 <Vanhayes> I put mine here, seems as good a place as any http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=73841#73841
01:14 <Vanhayes> Bug crys on Bugfarm
01:16 <madmax|pt> i reported a bug like yours VAn
01:16 <madmax|pt> some weird stuff
01:16 <Vanhayes> ya its happening alot in bugfarm right now
01:17 <Vanhayes> and by alot i mean at least once every round
01:18 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: bzip2?
01:18 <mkzelda> i did
01:18 <mkzelda> i played for hours
01:19 <mkzelda> its 4 mb after bzip2 -9
01:20 <mkzelda> crap, 2mb limit
01:26 <Brooky> right im off to sleep now
01:26 <Brooky> bye
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01:26 <Brooky> #night
01:26 <armabot> Good night Brooky!
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01:30 <mkzelda> Vanhayes, i believe i saw that happen too
01:30 <mkzelda> your ss
01:31 <Vanhayes> ya thats gotta be the weirdest bug ive seen on there
01:31 <mkzelda> i saw that happen one other time when i trapped someone
01:31 <mkzelda> today
01:31 <mkzelda> i was def, trapped someone
01:31 <mkzelda> and they just drove out of my wall
01:31 <mkzelda> and conquered
01:31 <mkzelda> and then died
01:32 <mkzelda> rather than think it was a bug i just chalked it up to me being wrong w/ my assumption that i'd trapped
01:32 <Vanhayes> heh that would suck, you think you one then the just slip thru your wall
01:33 <Vanhayes> won*
01:35 <madmax|pt> maybe its a dark cult
01:35 <madmax|pt> a secret society
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01:49 <madmax|pt> just remembered, that bug is like those missiles that were used against bin laden's "caves", they go past the ground then explode
01:49 <madmax|pt> lol
01:55 <spidey> hahah
02:15 <madmax|pt> good night
02:15 * madmax|pt is away: Not Here.
02:18 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5719 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/namepicker.py: Added recording feature to namepicker
02:19 <spidey> luci
02:19 <spidey> you know everytime you wanna add a file you gotta retype all of them?
02:20 <spidey> the more people/updates that's gonna be alot O_o
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02:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: wtf are you talkin about?
02:27 <spidey> luke-jr_, i'm not answering you
02:28 <spidey> luke-jr_, you like to lurer people :p
02:28 <luke-jr_> wtf does that mean?
02:28 <spidey> luke-jr_, i'm not answering you
02:28 <luke-jr_> lurer isn't a word
02:28 <nemostultae> ftw?
02:28 <Vanhayes> lure
02:28 <luke-jr_> vim .namepickerrc
02:28 <luke-jr_> problem solved
02:28 <spidey> we all know i don't have good grammer ;D
02:28 <luke-jr_> dummy
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02:30 <spidey> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lurer
02:30 <spidey> bitch it is a word to!
02:30 <luke-jr_> nope
02:32 <spidey> yes
02:32 <spidey> lurer is lure in noun forum
02:32 <spidey> form
02:32 <luke-jr_> nope
02:32 <luke-jr_> no dictionary says that
02:32 <luke-jr_> the one you found will *redirect* you to the correct word, but it is not listed in the list of forms
02:32 <spidey> ??
02:33 <spidey> [Middle English, from Anglo-Norman, of Germanic origin.]
02:33 <spidey> lurer n.
02:33 <spidey> #dict lurer
02:33 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "lurer" could be found.
02:33 <Vanhayes> #dict lurer
02:33 <spidey> bah
02:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "lurer" could be found.
02:33 <Vanhayes> lol
02:34 <spidey> #dict lure
02:34 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Lure \Lure\, v. i. To recall a hawk or other animal. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Lure \Lure\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Lured}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Luring}.] [OF. loirer, loirier, F. leurrer. See {Lure}, n.] To draw to the lure; hence, to allure or invite by means of anything that promises pleasure or advantage; to entice; to attract. [1913 Webster] I (7 more messages)
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02:34 <spidey> #more
02:34 <armabot> spidey: am not lured with love. --Piers Plowman. [1913 Webster] And various science lures the learned eye. --Gay. [1913 Webster]; wn: lure n 1: qualities that attract by seeming to promise some kind of reward [syn: {enticement}, {come-on}] 2: anything that serves as an enticement [syn: {bait}, {come-on}, {hook}, {sweetener}] 3: something used to lure victims into danger [syn: {bait}, {decoy}] v : (6 more messages)
02:34 <luke-jr_> so anyway, how am I a 'lurer'?
02:34 <Vanhayes> #more spidey
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: provoke someone to do something through (often false or exaggerated) promises or persuasion; "He lured me into temptation" [syn: {entice}, {tempt}]; gcide: Lure \Lure\, n. [OF. loire, loirre, loerre, F. leurre lure, decoy; of German origin; cf. MHG. luoder, G. luder lure, carrion.] 1. A contrivance somewhat resembling a bird, and often baited with raw meat; -- used by falconers in (5 more messages)
02:34 <Vanhayes> #more spidey
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: provoke someone to do something through (often false or exaggerated) promises or persuasion; "He lured me into temptation" [syn: {entice}, {tempt}]; gcide: Lure \Lure\, n. [OF. loire, loirre, loerre, F. leurre lure, decoy; of German origin; cf. MHG. luoder, G. luder lure, carrion.] 1. A contrivance somewhat resembling a bird, and often baited with raw meat; -- used by falconers in (5 more messages)
02:34 <Vanhayes> #more spidey
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: provoke someone to do something through (often false or exaggerated) promises or persuasion; "He lured me into temptation" [syn: {entice}, {tempt}]; gcide: Lure \Lure\, n. [OF. loire, loirre, loerre, F. leurre lure, decoy; of German origin; cf. MHG. luoder, G. luder lure, carrion.] 1. A contrivance somewhat resembling a bird, and often baited with raw meat; -- used by falconers in (5 more messages)
02:34 <Vanhayes> er
02:34 <Vanhayes> #more spidey --no limit
02:34 <luke-jr_> or is anti-offense luring?
02:34 <spidey> LOL
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: (more [<nick>]) -- If the last command was truncated due to IRC message length limitations, returns the next chunk of the result of the last command. If <nick> is given, it takes the continuation of the last command from <nick> instead of the person sending this message.
02:35 <Vanhayes> bah
02:35 * spidey slaps luke-jr_
02:35 <Vanhayes> #help more
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (more [<nick>]) -- If the last command was truncated due to IRC message length limitations, returns the next chunk of the result of the last command. If <nick> is given, it takes the continuation of the last command from <nick> instead of the person sending this message.
02:35 <spidey> #more
02:35 <armabot> spidey: provoke someone to do something through (often false or exaggerated) promises or persuasion; "He lured me into temptation" [syn: {entice}, {tempt}]; gcide: Lure \Lure\, n. [OF. loire, loirre, loerre, F. leurre lure, decoy; of German origin; cf. MHG. luoder, G. luder lure, carrion.] 1. A contrivance somewhat resembling a bird, and often baited with raw meat; -- used by falconers in (5 more messages)
02:35 <luke-jr_> #more spidey
02:35 <spidey> #more
02:35 <armabot> spidey: recalling hawks. --Shak. [1913 Webster] 2. Any enticement; that which invites by the prospect of advantage or pleasure; a decoy. --Milton. [1913 Webster] 3. (Hat Making) A velvet smoothing brush. --Knight. [1913 Webster]; moby-thes: 158 Moby Thesaurus words for "lure": adduct, adductor, allure, allurement, appeal, attract, attractant, attraction, attractiveness, attrahent, bag, bait, bait (4 more messages)
02:35 <luke-jr_> #more spidey
02:35 <armabot> luke-jr_: the hook, baited trap, be magnetic, beguile, bewitch, birdlime, blandish, bola, bribe, bring, cajole, call, captivate, capture, carrot, carry, catch, catch out, center, center of attraction, charm, coax, cobweb, come-on, con, cynosure, decide, decoy, decoy duck, determine, dispose, drag, dragnet, draw, draw in, draw on, draw towards, drawcard, drawing card, drawing power, enchant, (3 more messages)
02:35 <armabot> luke-jr_: the hook, baited trap, be magnetic, beguile, bewitch, birdlime, blandish, bola, bribe, bring, cajole, call, captivate, capture, carrot, carry, catch, catch out, center, center of attraction, charm, coax, cobweb, come-on, con, cynosure, decide, decoy, decoy duck, determine, dispose, drag, dragnet, draw, draw in, draw on, draw towards, drawcard, drawing card, drawing power, enchant, (3 more messages)
02:36 <luke-jr_> #echo
02:36 <armabot> luke-jr_: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
02:36 <Vanhayes> #echo $randomdate
02:36 <armabot> Sun Mar 18 08:42:36 2012
02:37 <Vanhayes> #google Sun Mar 18 08:42:36 2012
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.64 seconds: Class of Jul 19 2001: <http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2452110.html>; Class of Apr 18 2000: <http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2451653.html>; Daily Kos: US Savings Crisis Deepens: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/2/83222/14931>; Syndic8.com Feed List: <http://www.syndic8.com/genfeed.php?Format=rss>; Freesci (2 more messages)
02:37 <Vanhayes> #google "Sun Mar 18 08:42:36 2012"
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.25 seconds: Class of Jul 19 2001: <http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2452110.html>; Class of Apr 18 2000: <http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2451653.html>; Daily Kos: US Savings Crisis Deepens: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/2/83222/14931>; Syndic8.com Feed List: <http://www.syndic8.com/genfeed.php?Format=rss>; Freesci (2 more messages)
02:38 <spidey> #echo Vanhayes will die on #randomDate
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes will die on #randomDate
02:38 <spidey> O_O
02:38 <spidey> #echo Vanhayes will die on $randomDate
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes will die on Sun Jan 20 03:35:27 1991
02:38 <Vanhayes> lol
02:38 <spidey> you're dead man!
02:38 <Vanhayes> im a ghost
02:38 <luke-jr_> I knew that
02:38 <Vanhayes> spidey wil die on $randomdate
02:38 <spidey> pwn
02:38 <Vanhayes> #echo spidey wil die on $randomdate
02:38 <armabot> spidey wil die on Sun May 17 05:59:37 1998
02:39 <Vanhayes> lol
02:39 <luke-jr_> #echo I lied. spidey really dies $randomdate
02:39 <armabot> I lied. spidey really dies Wed Jun 11 16:29:49 1986
02:39 <Vanhayes> #echo spidey will actually die on $randomdate
02:39 <armabot> spidey will actually die on Thu Nov 5 05:15:10 2009
02:39 <Vanhayes> ha
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02:39 <Vanhayes> prepare for it spidey
02:39 <armabot> luke-jr_ - You are nothing but a frothy stack of impertinent waffle-house.
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02:40 <luke-jr_> #insult nemostultae
02:40 <armabot> nemostultae - You are nothing but a malt-wormy heap of tasteless yoo-hoo.
02:40 <Vanhayes> yoo-hoo?
02:40 <nemostultae> hmm
02:40 <nemostultae> #insult nemostultae
02:40 <armabot> nemostultae - You are nothing but a cockered accumulation of folly-fallen user.
02:40 <spidey> lol
02:41 <luke-jr_> #echo nemostultae dies $randomdate
02:41 <armabot> nemostultae dies Mon Jan 20 07:54:04 1986
02:41 <nemostultae> :(
02:41 <spidey> lol
02:42 <Vanhayes> is there anyway you can make someone shuffle from the admin?
02:42 <luke-jr_> #echo on $randomdate, nemostultae gets married
02:42 <armabot> on Sat Sep 17 10:49:39 1988, nemostultae gets married
02:42 <luke-jr_> #echo on $randomdate, nemostultae goes insane
02:42 <armabot> on Fri May 13 11:29:34 1983, nemostultae goes insane
02:42 <Vanhayes> wow thats is 13 days off from when I was born
02:42 <Vanhayes> the first one
02:42 <luke-jr_> #echo on $randomdate, nemostultae kills Vanhayes
02:42 <armabot> on Fri May 15 17:55:34 1981, nemostultae kills Vanhayes
02:42 <Vanhayes> nice 7 years before I was born
02:43 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: so you're what? 19?
02:43 <Vanhayes> 17 just about 18
02:43 <spidey> Vanhayes, i'll turn shuffle up on
02:43 <Vanhayes> nice math tho
02:43 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: but... :/
02:43 <Vanhayes> spidey i can do it if you want
02:43 <Vanhayes> 1988
02:43 <Vanhayes> its 2006
02:44 <luke-jr_> oh
02:44 <luke-jr_> oops
02:44 <luke-jr_> looking at the wrong year
02:44 <luke-jr_> lol
02:44 <Vanhayes> #g 2006-1988
02:44 <armabot> 2,006 - 1,988 = 18
02:44 <Vanhayes> almost
02:44 <luke-jr_> #g 2006-2005
02:44 <armabot> 2,006 - 2,005 = 1
02:44 <luke-jr_> almost
02:44 <spidey> wow
02:45 <luke-jr_> ?
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8271 ( gCycle nr. 8271 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 6750, name ��rain ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8270 ( gCycle nr. 8270 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 4016, name dindle-kun ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8269 ( gCycle nr. 8269 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 4333, name \>tWc.Aard</ ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8268 ( gCycle nr. 8268 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 12049, name CT*root ).
02:45 <luke-jr_> cool
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8267 ( gCycle nr. 8267 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 5658, name ��n00b ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8266 ( gCycle nr. 8266 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 14594, name ~LOL~Markeecrux ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8265 ( gCycle nr. 8265 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 7083, name Temujin ).
02:45 <spidey> [0] User 13 does not know about netobject 8264 ( gCycle nr. 8264 owned by ePlayerNetID nr. 257, name WebGamer ).
02:45 <spidey> what's that mean?
02:45 <spidey> lol
02:45 <luke-jr_> it means you ran out of bandwidth or other packet loss crap
02:45 <spidey> isn't bandwith
02:45 <spidey> i basically got unlimited
02:46 <luke-jr_> impossible
02:46 <spidey> 5000gb
02:46 <luke-jr_> that's per month
02:46 <spidey> ya
02:46 <luke-jr_> not per millisecond
02:46 <spidey> it's a 100mbit connection
02:46 <spidey> i doubt i did
02:46 <luke-jr_> so a router decided to drop your packets =p
02:46 <spidey> he
02:46 <spidey> heh
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02:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: FYI, 5000 GB/mo is effectively a bit less than 2 MB/sec
02:56 <nemostultae> #insult nemostultae
02:56 <armabot> nemostultae - You are nothing but an imp-bladdereddle-headed tongueful of headless gizzards.
02:56 <Vanhayes> #insult armabot
02:56 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but an it-fowling coagulation of boil-brained droppings.
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02:56 <armabot> luke-jr_ - You are nothing but a frothy stack of impertinent waffle-house.
02:57 <Vanhayes> some of them make more sense than others
02:58 <spidey> but Vanhayes makes no sense at all! :D
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I'm working on that problem. :) I want it to be more like this:
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py --add-file filename.txt
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> then I want to have weights, so if you like the names in one or two files better than the others, you can weight the choice
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> where if you weigh a file too much, then you don't really contribute to the anonymous thing, but that's fine
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> and I want to add an option that lets you go unanonymous, where it just comments all the lines out that it would normally write and let the user.cfg settings come through
03:05 <mkzelda> I've posted 3 recordings now for zman
03:05 <mkzelda> at what point am I just annoying?
03:05 <nemostultae> hmm, irssi's growl notification needs an icon.
03:05 <mkzelda> cause its pretty much every round can be submitted
03:06 <mkzelda> oh, make that 4
03:06 <mkzelda> haha
03:08 <Vanhayes> spidey sky needs to talk to you about some settings
03:09 <spidey> :)
03:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
03:10 <spidey> ?
03:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: how much does your host cost per month?
03:10 <spidey> like $9 i think
03:10 <spidey> maybe 14
03:10 <luke-jr_> O.o
03:10 <luke-jr_> lol, big range there =p
03:11 <spidey> well
03:11 <spidey> either the hosting is 9
03:11 <spidey> or the gameserver
03:11 <spidey> i think the hosting is 9
03:11 <spidey> ya
03:11 <luke-jr_> gameserver?
03:11 <spidey> hosting is 9 and the gameserver 14
03:11 <spidey> ya, soldat clan :p
03:11 <luke-jr_> eh, you pay them $9 + $14?
03:11 <spidey> no...
03:12 <spidey> i pay hypergaming 14
03:12 <spidey> and millinium hosting 9
03:12 <luke-jr_> why do you run them at different servers?
03:12 <spidey> ?
03:12 <luke-jr_> why not put the game server on the millinium host
03:12 <spidey> because they don't do gameserver gosting
03:12 <spidey> hosting
03:12 <luke-jr_> no? =p
03:13 <luke-jr_> they seem to lol
03:13 <spidey> not that they know of
03:13 <spidey> lol
03:13 <spidey> and soldat servers use alot of resources/bandwith
03:13 <luke-jr_> likee how much?
03:13 <spidey> lets see
03:13 <spidey> when i ran it local
03:13 <luke-jr_> oh wait... is thiis AA?
03:13 <spidey> with 6 slots
03:14 <spidey> it used like 15mb in 10 hours
03:14 <spidey> no
03:14 <spidey> soldat is a different game
03:14 <luke-jr_> ah
03:16 <spidey> also
03:17 <spidey> the soldat server,when i ran it local, used 70-80% of my cycle time
03:17 <spidey> the webserver restarts with 2 tron servers sometimes
03:17 <spidey> so
03:18 <spidey> Vanhayes, you can go admin kill crazy on pysko if you want
03:18 <Vanhayes> ahaha
03:18 <luke-jr_> lol
03:18 <spidey> ;D
03:19 <luke-jr_> 15mb in 10 hours is *good*
03:19 <spidey> maybe
03:19 <spidey> it's just a estimate
03:19 <spidey> i haven't ran one local in months
03:19 <spidey> so i'm not sure
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03:20 <luke-jr_> #g 15 * 1024 / 10 / 60 / 60
03:20 <armabot> (((15 * 1,024) / 10) / 60) / 60 = 0.426666667
03:20 <luke-jr_> less than 1 kb/sec
03:20 <spidey> i was wrong then,heh
03:20 <spidey> i remember
03:20 <spidey> it was like
03:21 <spidey> 45000+b/s
03:21 <spidey> 3g 45000/1024
03:21 <spidey> #g 45000/1024
03:21 <armabot> 45,000 / 1,024 = 43.9453125
03:21 <spidey> ya something like that
03:22 <spidey> #g 44*10
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03:22 <armabot> 44 * 10 = 440
03:22 <spidey> mm
03:22 <spidey> erm
03:23 <spidey> #g 44*60*60
03:23 <armabot> 44 * 60 * 60 = 158,400
03:23 <spidey> 158mb?
03:23 <spidey> maybe,not sure i did that right
03:24 <spidey> wiat
03:24 <spidey> that would be in 1 hour right?
03:32 <spidey> [9 IP=70.33.90.229:43732] Remote admin login for user "!lol!.durka" using password "canadaeh" rejected
03:33 <Vanhayes> heh he must think I set the pass words
03:33 <Vanhayes> password*
03:33 <spidey> lol
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03:55 <luke-jr_> anyone know what vserver z-man was testing with?
03:55 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping @ PM
04:14 <Vanhayes> heh canada has 5 people now
04:14 <Vanhayes> for the inter tron thing
04:14 <spidey> anjori doesn't count
04:14 <spidey> he just hasn't removed his name
04:14 <Vanhayes> ya was just gonna say that
04:15 <Vanhayes> o well getting closre
04:15 <Vanhayes> closer*
04:24 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:24 <spidey> pwned
04:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Mutiny Clan Server (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (4 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (4 players) || Luke-Jr's Experimental Test Server (2 players) || 303girls.com (1 players) || Swamplords Teams (1 players) || OOPS-CLAN-SERVER (1 players) || (1 more message)
04:25 <Vanhayes> Pwnt
04:25 <Vanhayes> #more
04:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (1 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (1 players) || ~}SD{~ Clan Sever *FoC* (0 players) || U.S.Sumo (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players)
04:25 <spidey> 303girls?
04:25 <spidey> LOL
04:26 <Vanhayes> lol ya they registered on the forums too
04:26 <spidey> ahahahf
04:26 <Vanhayes> www.303girls.com wonder if it works?
04:26 <spidey> it does
04:26 <spidey> porn!
04:27 <Vanhayes> ahahaha
04:27 <Vanhayes> oops
04:28 <spidey> man
04:29 <spidey> my msn buddy list is starting to become full of red x's
04:29 <spidey> on gaim that means people removed you
04:29 <spidey> :P:
04:29 <spidey> LOL
04:29 <Vanhayes> haha
04:29 <Vanhayes> unwanted
04:29 <spidey> not really
04:29 <spidey> only 5 people
04:29 <spidey> don't think i knew them anyways
04:29 <Vanhayes> heh
04:30 <spidey> O_o
04:30 <spidey> kamakazi removed me
04:30 <spidey> heh
04:31 <Vanhayes> lol
04:31 <Vanhayes> 303girls server is nothing like I expected
04:31 <spidey> ?
04:32 <Vanhayes> I expected a noob like one
04:33 <Vanhayes> but there is a custom map and multiple axes
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> are there naked chicks?
04:46 <mkzelda> naked tronners
04:54 <Vanhayes> naked chick tronners actually
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05:04 <Lucifer_arma> it works, nemo
05:04 <mkzelda> spidey you joined server and we all died?
05:05 <spidey> ya
05:05 <spidey> server overload
05:05 <spidey> heh
05:05 <spidey> it's back
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05:29 <mkzelda> if you have your sound source in use, and start tron, you can play but no sound as expected
05:29 <spidey> really!?!?!?
05:29 <mkzelda> but if you hit 'next track' it will crash with "Floating point exception"
05:29 <spidey> when i have teamspeak running tron won't even start
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> the real question is, how the fuck do I use pycurl to post a file upload including other data on the form?
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> I want to setup a site for people to upload recordings, and pycurl is cool enough that I might be able to get it to do some other things too
05:42 <spidey> well
05:42 <spidey> i don't know ;D
05:42 <mkzelda> very carefully?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> looks like I have to do it the hard way
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks more than a little
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> curl -F password=@/etc/passwd www.mypasswords.com <---- haha
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'll just call curl from the command line instead of trying to use pycurl
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06:45 <spidey> woohoo
06:45 <spidey> i found the xfiles season 7
06:45 <spidey> now for 1-6 O_o
06:46 <spidey> mmmm
06:46 <spidey> looks like i'ma have to cleanup my backup drive
06:47 <spidey> found 8 seasons worth ;d
06:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: ooh
06:47 <luke-jr_> I just finished season 2
06:47 <spidey> man
06:47 <spidey> they're leeched like a bitch
06:48 <luke-jr_> where?
06:48 <spidey> 30 seeds to 293 leechers for season 1
06:48 <spidey> mininova.org
06:50 <spidey> ahhh
06:50 <spidey> thepiratebay.org
06:50 <spidey> they have some ok ones
06:50 <spidey> not as leeched
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to make armabot use email instead of the #commits channel so I can get the whole log message
06:51 <spidey> found the xfile movie it's "fight the future"
06:51 <spidey> can't it use both?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> sure, but they may as well be mutually exclusive
06:52 <spidey> if you're not busy,you could help me find x-files seasons ;D
06:52 <nemostultae> you could use the rss feed, too.
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm busy :)
06:52 <spidey> :(
06:52 <spidey> luke?
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, the idea with email is that it means we don't need CIA to give us the messages :)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> also, I want to add something like this
06:53 * spidey is happy to find season 7,seeing as i been looking for them for years
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> put [BUG CLOSE bugnumber] in your commit message and the bug will be closed on sourceforge's tracker
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> those should be at the end of the message, since they're just bot commands. For longer messages, getting from #commits would prevent the bot from seeing them
06:58 <spidey> lol@ 41day download
06:59 <spidey> yay 11 days ;D
07:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: the movie was pretty good
07:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: my friend bought seasons 1-3 on DVD-- maybe I should encode em
07:10 <luke-jr_> though I usually don't like to settle for lower quality
07:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: can't you find season 7 at WalMart? =p
07:11 <spidey> probably
07:11 <spidey> walmart has enough money ;D
07:11 <luke-jr_> =p
07:11 <luke-jr_> yeah, but it's not worth the time & cost to burn dual layer DVD+Rs
07:11 <spidey> who say anything about burning them?
07:11 <spidey> all i gotta do is clean the junk off my backupdrive and i can store them all
07:12 <spidey> only 3gigs a season
07:12 <spidey> 'er i forget
07:12 <spidey> nix don't have ntfs support for writing to a ntfs disk yet
07:12 <spidey> !!!
07:12 <luke-jr_> DVD+R DL are cheaper than HD
07:12 <luke-jr_> and actually, it does
07:12 <luke-jr_> if you use the latest experimental stuff
07:13 <spidey> really?
07:13 <spidey> mmm
07:13 * spidey checks it out
07:13 <luke-jr_> yes, just don't cry if it corrupts stuff
07:13 <luke-jr_> and 3 gigs/season is less than what I consider acceptable quality
07:14 <spidey> well i also don't consider dvd quality low quality
07:14 <spidey> so it'll do fine
07:15 <luke-jr_> acceptable X-Files quality is 40 GB/season
07:15 <luke-jr_> you don't consider MPEG-2 low quality? ;)
07:15 <spidey> maybe for you
07:15 <spidey> vhs is acceptable
07:15 <luke-jr_> pfft
07:15 <luke-jr_> or 20 GB/season if MPEG-4
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> you just can't get it better than the dvd had it to begin with
07:15 <spidey> normally my movies are from 500-600mb
07:16 <spidey> and it loks fine to me
07:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: unfortunately
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, in my experience it only matters if you use a really big tv :)
07:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'd prefer the stuff released as MPEG-4 at the same bitrate
07:16 * Lucifer_arma wants to use a projector for his video at some point
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather it be released as ogg theora :)
07:16 <luke-jr_> build one?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> mpeg is evil!
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, the projectors cost ~$1000
07:16 <luke-jr_> cheaper to build
07:17 <luke-jr_> get a small LCD and make it into a projector
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like it to support pretty decent resolutions...
07:17 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think he can build a projector that's as good as what you'd buy
07:18 * Lucifer_arma also doesn't ahve room for such a thing anyway
07:18 <luke-jr_> also, keep in mind that many DVD Videos use deinterlacing
07:18 <luke-jr_> cutting quality yet more
07:18 <luke-jr_> or if not deinterlacing, then telcining
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm finding it more interesting that you use mpeg at all, seeing as how you hate nvidia so much
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> the folks at mpeg actively engage and encourage people to patent and put draconian licenses on what they develop
07:19 <luke-jr_> ffmpeg is free software
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> hence the mp3 problem
07:19 <luke-jr_> the "MP3 problem" is purely legal
07:19 <luke-jr_> not moral
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, if godaddy's evil because they make money off porn, why isn't mpeg evil too?
07:19 <luke-jr_> maybe MPEG is
07:20 <luke-jr_> but that doesn't mean the stuff they create is
07:20 <luke-jr_> The Dimond Brothers are heretics, but they put out some pretty good material
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, let me see if I got this straight
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> MPEG goes and gets some folks to make encoders/decoders for media, and they ask and encourage those folks to patent their stuff
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> and to protect their patents, because what good is a patent without it
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> but it's ok to use their stuff, patents and all?
07:22 <luke-jr_> as long as the software itself is not inherently corrupted by the problem, I don't care if the creator is evil
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> the software is inherently corrupted by the problem, you need a patent license to use it
07:22 <luke-jr_> legally
07:22 <luke-jr_> not morally
07:23 <luke-jr_> nor technically
07:23 <luke-jr_> I gladly enjoy ignoring unjust laws
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> using the file format encourages others with whom you might share the file to use it themselves
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> which in turn encourages companies to continue creating encoders/decoders with patents
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> and might even bring them down on you at some point to enforce their previously unenforced patents (ref: mp3 again)
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> that "phenomena" is a frequently-cited reason for why you shouldn't use .doc files even if you hae a program that can read them
07:26 <luke-jr_> they need to catch me to enforce it
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> what if they catch one of the 10 people or so that you encouraged to use the format?
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> that makes you partially responsible for it, when you had an opportunity to give them a free format to use
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> morally, if not legally
07:27 <luke-jr_> then I hope that person doesn't give in
07:27 <luke-jr_> and ignores a court ruling on the matter
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that person may have avoided the problem entirely if you'd shown hiim the free format instead
07:27 <luke-jr_> if there was an equivalent free format, I would
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> ogg theora is very good
07:28 <luke-jr_> my understanding is that Theora still sucks compared to MPEG-4
07:28 <luke-jr_> but I could be totally wrong I guess
07:28 <luke-jr_> never touched Theora
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> xvid is also very good and unencumbered
07:28 <luke-jr_> XviD is MPEG-4
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it's been extended a bit. Now it's a superset, essentially
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> supports ogg vorbis audio, for one thing
07:29 <luke-jr_> well, ffmpeg is better than XviD
07:29 <luke-jr_> um
07:29 <luke-jr_> XviD doesn't do audio...
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> besides, divx and xvid are just container file formats
07:29 <luke-jr_> no
07:29 <luke-jr_> XviD is an implementation of the MPEG-4 video codec
07:29 <luke-jr_> maybe with extensions
07:30 <luke-jr_> DivX has a container, but it's primarily also a MPEG-4 implementation
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, no. It has a few codecs in it, that is true, but at the core, xvid is a container
07:30 <luke-jr_> I have never seen a XviD container
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> it can contain many types of video and audio data
07:30 <luke-jr_> and I've done quite a bit with video
07:30 <luke-jr_> maybe you mean Matroska or OGM?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, divx specifies that you hae to have the audio data both as a separate stream in the file and mixed with the video
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> so 40MB of audio is really 20MB x 2
07:31 <luke-jr_> if XviD has a container, MPlayer doesn't support it
07:31 <luke-jr_> mplayer -vf help
07:32 <luke-jr_> err, that's filters...
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07:32 <Lucifer_arma> now that I've asserted a bunch of shit, I'll just leave :)
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07:34 <luke-jr_> z-man-home: hey
07:35 <luke-jr_> what vserver company was that test on?
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07:41 <z-man-home> www.server4you.de
07:42 <z-man-home> german website only, the .com variant is completely different.
07:43 <z-man-home> Meanwhile, I found a company where you get a data flatrate for your vserver, but I don't have the link handy. German only, too :(
07:43 <spidey> use google to translate it
07:43 <spidey> server4you in google search
07:43 <spidey> beside the link it should say "translate page"
07:45 <spidey> http://lylix.net/
07:45 <spidey> there ya go luke
07:50 <spidey>
07:50 <spidey> vServer FLAT
07:50 <spidey>
07:50 <spidey>
07:50 <spidey> Speicher: 3 GB
07:50 <spidey> Traffic: 99999999 GB
07:50 <spidey> Confixx v3 Professional
07:50 <spidey> u.v.m.
07:50 <spidey> wtf @ 9999999999gb
07:59 <nemostultae> heh, I just got outisde the grid in swamnpland in 0.2.7.1
08:01 <spidey> ya
08:01 <spidey> Panama City, Panama
08:02 <spidey> where's panama O_O
08:04 <Vanhayes> florda?
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> somebody commit something
08:11 <spidey> ?
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> I just made 4 commits and got no notifications, and there wsn't a notification in #commits
08:12 <spidey> you break it?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe
08:12 <spidey> O_o
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> I might be broken locally, though
08:12 <spidey> heh
08:13 <spidey> damn it,why can't i remember my address!@
08:14 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, what's my address?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> cia doesn't have any commits after my last namepicker commit earlier
08:17 <nemostultae> hmm
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> did somebody commit something yet?
08:19 <nemostultae> I did.
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see a commit to #commits
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> did you commit to armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad by any chance?
08:21 <nemostultae> no, tools/map-preview/trunk
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08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I think I broke something
08:26 -!- anjori [n=anonymou@S0106001150573139.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
08:38 <spidey> ou have 5332 unread messages:
08:38 <spidey> wtshit
08:44 <spidey> Message From Seller:
08:44 <spidey> Fraud
08:44 <spidey> wtf!?!?!?
08:45 <spidey> fraud my fuckin ass :|
08:45 * spidey goes to there efnet channel O_o
08:55 <spidey> ahahahahah
08:55 <spidey> they said it was fishy cause a females name is on my paypal account
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer spidey
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> is armabot even running?
08:57 <spidey> #list
08:57 <armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
08:57 <spidey> of course
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #load Nickometer
08:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer spidey
08:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "spidey" is 0.0%.
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer Lucifer
08:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Lucifer" is 0.0%.
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer d34thsqu4d
08:57 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "d34thsqu4d" is 99.7%.
08:58 <spidey> lol
08:59 <spidey> #nickometer z-man-home
08:59 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "z-man-home" is 25.6%.
08:59 <spidey> O_o
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'm adding nickometer to namepicker.py :)
08:59 <spidey> ?
08:59 <spidey> brb fishsticks
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> that way I can be lazy and just say "no nicknames that are at least 30% lame"
09:01 <z-man-home> Gee, good that I fall under that.
09:02 <spidey> LOL
09:03 <Vanhayes> #nickometer Vanhayes
09:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Vanhayes" is 0.0%.
09:03 <Vanhayes> what does it base its judgements on?
09:04 <spidey> #nickometer "[NP]Tangent"
09:04 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[NP]Tangent" is 69.4%.
09:04 <spidey> ahah
09:04 <spidey> mmm
09:04 <spidey> i wonder about lukes'
09:04 <spidey> #nickometer luke-jr_
09:04 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "luke-jr_" is 14.4%.
09:04 <spidey> O_o
09:05 <spidey> yay
09:05 <spidey> got my shell
09:05 <spidey> assholes said i commited fruad :(
09:05 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
09:06 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a clapper-clawed ass-full of squishy bladders.
09:06 <[NP]Tangent> that is all
09:06 <spidey> maybe
09:06 <spidey> but
09:06 <[NP]Tangent> #udict microsoft
09:06 <spidey> your nick is lame
09:06 <[NP]Tangent> :-\
09:06 <spidey> so pwnt
09:06 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer spidey
09:06 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "spidey" is 0.0%.
09:06 <spidey> :)
09:06 <[NP]Tangent> H4X
09:07 <spidey> #nickometer armabot
09:07 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "armabot" is 0.0%.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> we always knew clans were lame, let's see how lame
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer Tangent
09:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Tangent" is 0.0%.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer [NP]Tangent
09:08 <spidey> lol
09:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[NP] Tangent" is 80.1%.
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> clans are 80.1% lame
09:08 <spidey> owned
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna post that :)
09:09 <spidey> 7:09AM up 572 days, 6:59, 1 user, load averages: 0.12, 0.08, 0.02
09:09 <spidey> woooo!
09:09 * Lucifer_arma will probably piss some people off with it, too
09:09 <spidey> can i post it?
09:10 <[NP]Tangent> NP isn't a clan
09:10 <[NP]Tangent> NP = Null Productions
09:10 <[NP]Tangent> mostly we just make stupid music
09:10 <[NP]Tangent> occasionally a mIRC or PHP script is done
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's still a clan tag
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer Lucifer
09:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Lucifer" is 0.0%.
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer [MBC]Lucifer
09:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[MBC] Lucifer" is 80.1%.
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> see?
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer [SP]Lucifer
09:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[SP] Lucifer" is 80.1%.
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer ~=SP=~Lucifer
09:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~=SP=~Lucifer" is 99.6%.
09:15 * Lucifer_arma rests his case
09:15 <spidey> how
09:15 <spidey> HOW could you even pretend to be in sp!
09:15 * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I pretended to be MBC too
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> which is worse? I can't say
09:16 <spidey> only thing wrong with them is server setting ;>
09:19 <spidey> mm
09:19 <spidey> brb
09:19 -!- spidey [n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit ["Leaving"]
09:19 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer TangenT
09:20 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "TangenT" is 0.0%.
09:20 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer poop-stick
09:20 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "poop-stick" is 14.4%.
09:20 <[NP]Tangent> heh
09:20 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
09:20 <spidey> think i broke this bnc thing
09:20 <[NP]Tangent> typical spidey
09:21 <Vanhayes> #nickometer Lucifer_arma
09:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Lucifer_arma" is 14.4%.
09:21 <Vanhayes> #nickometer nickometer
09:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Vanhayes" is 0.0%.
09:21 <Vanhayes> meh
09:21 -!- spidey is now known as spider
09:22 <spider> mm
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 1
09:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1" is 21.5%.
09:27 -!- spider is now known as spidey
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 15
09:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "15" is 30.3%.
09:27 <spidey> #nickometer nemostultae
09:27 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "nemostultae" is 0.0%.
09:27 <spidey> #nickometer SuPeRTaRD
09:27 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "SuPeRTaRD" is 99.8%.
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer guru3
09:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "guru3" is 21.5%.
09:27 <spidey> lol
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer BlAzE
09:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "BlAzE" is 17.6%.
09:28 <spidey> O_o
09:28 <spidey> #nickometer LuciEatsPeople
09:28 <armabot> spidey: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "LuciEatsPeople" is 17.6%.
09:28 <spidey> heh
09:28 <spidey> we're equally lame
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer Player Juan
09:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Player Juan" is 14.4%.
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer /team GOALIE BIT THE DUST!
09:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "/team GOALIE BIT THE DUST!" is 99.96%.
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, a nickometer filter doesn't make sense for instant chats
09:30 <spidey> lol
09:41 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-199-100.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
09:42 <madmax|pt> hi
09:44 <spidey> ew
09:44 <z-man-home> #nickometer zman
09:44 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "zman" is 0.0%.
09:44 <spidey> it's him!
09:44 <z-man-home> #nickometer z-man
09:44 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "z-man" is 14.4%.
09:44 <z-man-home> aha
09:44 <spidey> lol
09:45 <z-man-home> just counting non-letters and caps within the name :)
09:46 <z-man-home> #nickometer z.man
09:46 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "z.man" is 14.4%.
09:46 <z-man-home> #nickometer z man
09:46 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "z man" is 14.4%.
09:46 <z-man-home> #nickometer z!man
09:46 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "z!man" is 14.4%.
09:46 <z-man-home> #nickometer zMan
09:46 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "zMan" is 17.6%.
09:46 <spidey> lol
09:46 <z-man-home> #nickometer X
09:47 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "X" is 14.2%.
09:47 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer [asodfihsdfohsdfoisdfhsudfhsdfsodifsidfh
09:47 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
09:47 <z-man-home> #nickometer x
09:47 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "x" is 0.0%.
09:47 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer [np]aodifhsodifhasoidfsoidfasoidfhaosidfhsitangentaosdfihasdfiof
09:47 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[np] aodifhsodifhasoidfsoidfasoidfhaosidfhsitangentaosdfihasdfiof" is 80.1%.
09:47 <[NP]Tangent> heh
09:47 * z-man-home is off to work, test corrections today, oh dear.
09:48 <spidey> O_o
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10:20 <Vanhayes> #nickometer T%T^
10:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "T%T^" is 31.4%.
10:20 <Vanhayes> #nickometer %^
10:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%^" is 38.4%.
10:20 <Vanhayes> #nickometer 123345678910
10:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "123345678910" is 97.4%.
10:20 <Vanhayes> #nickometer 1233456789-10
10:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1233456789-10" is 98.0%.
10:21 <Vanhayes> hmm
10:21 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10
10:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10" is 99.7%.
10:21 <Vanhayes> almost
10:21 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10[-=]
10:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10 [-=]" is 99.92%.
10:21 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10[-=]\/
10:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10 [-=] \/" is 99.97%.
10:22 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10[-=]\/?
10:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10 [-=] \/?" is 99.98%.
10:22 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10[-=]\/?<">
10:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10 [-=] \/?<">" is 99.98%.
10:22 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}1233456789-10[-=]\/?<|*|>
10:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}1233456789-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>" is 99.990%.
10:22 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>
10:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>" is 99.990%.
10:23 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>%^%
10:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>%^%" is 99.991%.
10:23 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>???
10:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>???" is 99.992%.
10:23 <Vanhayes> damn
10:23 <Vanhayes> #night
10:23 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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10:36 <philippeqc> hi
10:38 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-41-29.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #armagetron
10:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:38 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
10:38 <philippeqc> morning dark
10:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning phil
10:40 <philippeqc> just out of the blue, what do you do with a sun?
10:41 <philippeqc> #nickometer philippeqc
10:41 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "philippeqc" is 0.0%.
10:41 <philippeqc> few
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no idea
10:42 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't like special chars and uppercase chars in the middle of a word
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> probably use it as a paperweight
10:42 <wrtlprnft> that's it
10:42 <philippeqc> lol @ dark
10:42 <philippeqc> morning wrtl
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #nickometer [Xpert]DarkStar
10:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[Xpert] DarkStar" is 96.4%.
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
10:42 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar is now known as xpert_darkstar
10:42 <xpert_darkstar> #nickometer xpert_darkstar
10:42 <armabot> xpert_darkstar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "xpert_darkstar" is 57.1%.
10:43 -!- xpert_darkstar is now known as darkstar
10:43 <darkstar> #nickometer darkstar
10:43 <armabot> darkstar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "darkstar" is 49.3%.
10:43 -!- darkstar is now known as [Xpert]DarkStar
10:43 <philippeqc> you can run but you can hide from your lameness
10:43 <philippeqc> ;)
10:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeayea
10:45 <philippeqc> #nickometer wrtlprnft
10:46 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "wrtlprnft" is 0.0%.
10:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
10:46 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: It seems the configured fortune command was not available.
10:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :(
10:46 <wrtlprnft> #f
10:46 <wrtlprnft> ah, heck
10:47 <wrtlprnft> #alias fortune
10:47 <wrtlprnft> lame, darn Lucifer_arma
10:47 <wrtlprnft> #list alias
10:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
10:47 <wrtlprnft> there's more useless ones.
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind having a few useless ones
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> what I mind is having to read through a whole bunch of useless ones and trying to figure out which ones are useful
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> if the signal->noise ratio is too low in the alias plugin, it gets pretty useless
10:48 <wrtlprnft> make an alias that echoes all the "useful aliases"?
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> how about we just clean up after ourselves?
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> I also mind having some of the really useful ones being booby-trapped to spam
10:49 <wrtlprnft> o well, i don't care, I'm just noting that armabot gets more and more useless
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> ?
10:50 * Lucifer_arma notes that armabot's only really ever been marginally useful anyway :)
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> other than #later tell, I don't know that there's much to be had here
10:54 <philippeqc> side question. Yesterday, I've learned that there are sport-like tv-show about EVE Online. When I went to watch the clip, they all required Windows Media Player 9. The funny thing being that I'm on Linux. The question is "Does your distro include such codecs?". Another question "Can you see most of the swirly things (video, flash, etc) on the net with your distros packages?"
10:55 <philippeqc> http://www.eve.is/evetv/ for comparaison purpose
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> I saw vertigo's world cup-inspired flash game
10:58 <philippeqc> link?
10:58 <philippeqc> can you see the videos at evetv?
10:59 <philippeqc> YouTube say that I need to update my flash.
11:02 <philippeqc> I'm curious what other distributions offers. Mandriva has served me well up to now, but I start to be a bit annoyed by the fact that all the updated packages are only for paying members.
11:02 <philippeqc> I still have mozilla firefox 1.0.4 :( THAT should have been updated
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> ?,.??'??.?,.??'??.?, 99.995
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: the link's on the forums, sorry. I haven't looked at evetv, kinda in the middle of something. :)
11:07 <philippeqc> ok
11:07 <philippeqc> I have my nose in monitors code... thanks for saying you where busy ;)
11:09 <philippeqc> ok, that is my answer then, I cant see it.
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> SlAcKbEaR 99.9087955293 <--- heh
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm pretty sure my distribution gives me most of the stuff you're missing if I install the right packages
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: updated the namepicker. Now you can have lameness filters on any config item (most useful is player_1) and also factored out the filelist into something more useful
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> you'll see a 'weight' option, but that's not implemented yet
11:20 <spidey> mm
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> and if you pass it the record option, it'll start arma in recording mode and leave the recording gzipped in ~/.armagetronad/var
11:20 <spidey> k
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> the lameness filter is the same code that #nickometer uses, I just copied and pasted that. :)
11:21 <spidey> lol
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> hence the reason I loaded that plugin and fooled with it :)
11:22 <spidey> mm
11:22 <spidey> i need to partition my backup drive for windows
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: make yourself anonymous! :)
11:23 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
11:23 <spidey> No choice files configured!
11:23 <spidey> ?
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> what does tron.py -s say?
11:24 <spidey> nothing :/
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
11:25 <spidey> er
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> what's in [main] in ~/.namepickerrc ?
11:25 <spidey> [main]
11:25 <spidey> files = /home/spidey/spidey.txt
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, update and try again, that's an off by one error :(
11:28 <spidey> Set option 'files' to '/home/spidey/spidey.txt,~/lucifer.txt,~/colors.txt,~/spideychats.txt'.
11:28 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[namepicker]$ tron.py
11:28 <spidey> No choice files configured!
11:28 <spidey> Starting armagetronad
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> now what does tron.py say?
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> now what does tron.py -s say?
11:29 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[namepicker]$ tron.py -s
11:29 <spidey> Showing config
11:29 <spidey> Available choices:
11:29 <spidey> No choice files configured.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> what's in [main] ?
11:29 <spidey> [main]
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> (this worked on my config file, not sure why it's not working on yours :( )
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> nothing in it?
11:30 <spidey> ok
11:30 <spidey> this is NOW
11:30 <spidey> i just reset it
11:30 <spidey> Operating Systems Supported Windows 98/ME/NT 4.0/2000/XP
11:30 <spidey> er
11:30 <spidey> [main]
11:30 <spidey> files = /home/spidey/spidey.txt,~/lucifer.txt,~/colors.txt,~/spideychats.txt
11:30 <spidey> ok
11:30 <spidey> i'ma start it
11:30 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
11:30 <spidey> No choice files configured!
11:30 <spidey> Starting armagetronad
11:30 <spidey> now nothing's in there
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, add a new file like this:
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> tron.py -a ~/lucifer.txt
11:31 <spidey> Can't open file '/home/spidey/lucifer.txt,~/spidey.txt,~/colors.txt,~/spideychats.txt'. Sorry.
11:31 <spidey> I wasn't able to open some files I was supposed to use. I will continue anyway.
11:31 <spidey> Starting armagetronad
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> (doing tron.py -h tells you what you can do, sorta) :)
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, no commas
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> you add files one at a time now
11:32 <spidey> ?
11:32 <spidey> ah
11:32 <spidey> also
11:32 <spidey> it accepts files that aren't there now
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't anything for removing files, though, so you'll keep getting that error message unless you go in there and hack the file yourself
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> ? you mean it accepts files that don't exist?
11:33 <spidey> ya
11:34 <spidey> ok
11:34 <spidey> should
11:34 <spidey> [main] be before the options or after?
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> next update, it'll check the file exists before adding it. :)
11:35 <spidey> hmmm
11:35 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
11:35 <spidey> No choice files configured!
11:35 <spidey> Starting armagetronad
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> main is just a special section for global config items
11:36 <spidey> weird
11:36 <spidey> it still says that
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> open the config file and remove files= from the main section, if it's there. That's probably what broke it, I tried to write some code to migrate for you automaticaly
11:36 <spidey> but the files are there
11:38 <spidey> files = configurator.get('main', 'files')
11:38 <spidey> remove that?
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> ack
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> why does it say that?
11:39 <spidey> ?
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no, not from the code, from the config file
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> ~/.namepickerrc
11:40 <spidey> [colors.txt]
11:40 <spidey> path = /home/spidey/colors.txt
11:40 <spidey> weight = 0
11:40 <spidey> that's what they all look like
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> the presence of that item triggers the apparently broken automatic migration thing
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> there should be a choices item in main
11:40 <spidey> [main]
11:40 <spidey> [colors.txt]
11:40 <spidey> path = /home/spidey/colors.txt
11:40 <spidey> weight = 0
11:40 <spidey> [lucifer.txt]
11:40 <spidey> weight = 0
11:40 <spidey> path = /home/spidey/lucifer.txt
11:40 <spidey> [spideychats.txt]
11:40 <spidey> weight = 0
11:40 <spidey> path = /home/spidey/spideychats.txt
11:40 <spidey> [spidey.txt]
11:40 <spidey> weight = 0
11:40 <spidey> path = /home/spidey/spidey.txt
11:40 <spidey> that's all of it
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> main is empty? that's weird
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> pt in main this line and see what hapens:
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> choices = colors.txt,lucifer.txt,spideychats.txt,spidey.txt
11:41 <spidey> [main choices = colors.txt,lucifer.txt,spideychats.txt,spidey.txt]
11:41 <spidey> like that?
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> no
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> [main]
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> choices = colors.txt,lucifer.txt,spideychats.txt,spidey.txt
11:42 <spidey> worked
11:42 <spidey> doesn't have console output this time though
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> I might have inadvertently removed most of the console messages :)
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> there are a lot of new ones, though.
11:43 <spidey> hehe
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you do -l player_1 -o 10 you should see a list of nicknames that don't pass :)
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> of course the only way to undo that is to do -l player_1 -o 101
11:44 <spidey> lol
11:44 <spidey> brb gotta feed dogs
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going to bed anyway, 'night
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put "always create a real config class" on my list of Right Things To Do
11:56 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: anonymous how and where?
11:59 <spidey> anyone here play bzflag?
12:00 <philippeqc> quite at lost with the discussion you and spidey had.
12:00 <philippeqc> spidey: not for some years
12:01 <spidey> mm
12:01 <spidey> i'm installing it
12:01 <spidey> it anygood?
12:02 <philippeqc> Its one of those classic that probably will never die
12:03 <philippeqc> tip: quickly learn to jump and sinchronyze your fireing
12:07 <spidey> wow
12:07 <spidey> um
12:07 <spidey> my gfx isn't good enough
12:07 <spidey> :/
12:07 <spidey> the walls and everything don't show up unless i get knocked up in the air
12:07 <spidey> or run into them
12:08 <philippeqc> drop the texture and much of the other items
12:08 <philippeqc> I played it on a celeron (of pIII equivalence) with a not so impressive nvidia of the time
12:09 <spidey> mm
12:09 <philippeqc> (unless they majorly beefed up the game)
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: there's a namepicker directory in my private svn space that has the anonymous stuff
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/namepicker
12:18 <philippeqc> what is the namepciker
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> a python script :)
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> create some files (there are some to show you, sorta) and run namepicker.py instead of armagetronad
12:18 <philippeqc> ok
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> nemo has a shell script that does essentially the same thing, but the point of my python script is to let people share files with one another
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> so we all use the same group of names and instant chats
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> it just rewrites your autoexec.cfg everytime you start
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> you have to put stuff in autoexec.cfg for it to work, too.
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should write a file that documents the thing. :)
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, put PLAYER_1 and whatever other settings you want to have picked randomly from a list in autoexec.cfg
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> then you need to create the lists. There's colors.txt and lucifer.txt to show you.
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> after you make your own file, post it somewhere so we can use it. spidey posted his, and hopefully will keep us updated when he chnages it
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> mine are in the namepicker directory
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> the idea is that you can pick random names, but people can still identify you with instant chats, so we want to have random instant chats that mean the same things so they can't do that anymore
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12:21 <spidey> damn it
12:21 <spidey> i love that game
12:21 <spidey> kinda
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> so you should be able to hit your "def dead" button and an appropriate message will appear, even if it's randomly picked every time
12:22 <spidey> only ,weirdly
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> you start the game
12:22 <cusco> what will namepicker do?
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> ack, scroll up. :)
12:22 * spidey pokes Fonkay
12:22 <Fonkay> ouch
12:22 * Lucifer_arma will write it up tomorrow so you can just read it there
12:22 <cusco> sets our instant chat values?
12:22 <Fonkay> you need to trim them fingernails
12:22 <spidey> never
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, from a random list. YOu have to make the list! Also sets your name
12:23 <madmax|pt> hi Fonkay
12:23 <Fonkay> hey
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> so if we all use a common pool of names, nobody can tell which of us is which by anything but actual playing style
12:24 <spidey> to play like me and Lucifer_arma all you gotta do is run into your own wall
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> which makes us anonymous. More so, I think, than if we each used different lists.
12:24 <spidey> ggkthnx
12:24 <spidey> ya
12:24 <philippeqc> ok, now I get it! we become one of a pool of names
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> do ./namepicker.py -h to see how to use it :)
12:24 <spidey> exactly
12:25 <spidey> dogs tore a peice of sheetrock off the house!!!
12:25 <spidey> argh
12:25 <spidey> brb
12:25 <Fonkay> nice dogs
12:25 <philippeqc> really got to 2 go eat
12:26 <philippeqc> later
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> later
12:26 * Lucifer_arma really has to go to bed
12:26 * Fonkay just woke up
12:26 <cusco> svn: Working copy 'namepicker' locked
12:27 <cusco> ah ok got it
12:27 <madmax|pt> thats one big python script
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> haha
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> it should work as advertised, but it might be cranky. I only started on it a couple of days ago
12:28 <Fonkay> so what exactly are you guys using this namepicker for?
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's also all spaghetti-fied. I need to rethink how config is handled. I used the nuclear approach to config system
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> we're using it to hide
12:28 <Fonkay> in arma?
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, it probably doesn't work in windows, sorry. :( I could make it work in windows, but I have no way to test it, so I could really only do "it should work, but I can't test it"
12:28 <Fonkay> hide from who exactly?
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> be anonymous
12:29 <madmax|pt> ... and maybe not on mac?
12:29 <madmax|pt> probly not
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> some of us have managed to gain some notoriety and would like to be able to play some more relaxing games
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: it probably will work on a mac, actually.
12:29 <Fonkay> really i only came to see how lame i was :/
12:29 <madmax|pt> hmm
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> mac os x ships with python
12:29 <madmax|pt> not that
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer Fonkay
12:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Fonkay" is 0.0%.
12:30 <Fonkay> i just pick new names it's not that hard
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> you ever pick someone out by an instant chat?
12:30 * Lucifer_arma knows the answer already
12:30 <Fonkay> i pick you out all the time...
12:30 <Fonkay> hehe
12:30 <madmax|pt> what's the file you modify?
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, you create a new one
12:31 <madmax|pt> file(s)
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> following the model in lucifer.txt and colors.txt
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> then you do:
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -a path/to/file
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> then you post your file somewhere and tell us about it so we can use it. :)
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> you should also do:
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -a path/to/lucifer.txt
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> and
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> ./namepicker.py -a path/to/colors.txt
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> you get mine and the random color picker with those
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be willing to be known as Gaymosexual if youw ant to use mine
12:32 <madmax|pt> are you counting on mac's .app files?
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> or Homosexual
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, well, I don't know. :) "armagetronad" has to be in your path
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> however mac handles it
12:33 <madmax|pt> well, doesnt work that way...
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> it uses os.system() to start armagetron
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take patches that make it work. :)
12:35 <madmax|pt> i run arma directly from a .app file, which isnt on my path, config files are also stored inside the .app
12:35 <spidey> actually
12:35 <spidey> i bet it can work in windows
12:35 <spidey> install python2.4
12:35 <spidey> cd \python24
12:36 <Fonkay> you say that about everything spidey
12:36 <spidey> python.exe \path\to\namepicker.py
12:36 <spidey> i do,and usually i'm right ;D
12:37 <Fonkay> btw can arma run on a new intel mac? I don't know if that's too vague to answer
12:38 <spidey> if it's got osx or you compile it yourself
12:38 <madmax|pt> yes
12:38 <madmax|pt> there's a universal binary
12:39 <Fonkay> i knew there was a universal one, but i wasn't sure if it counted in the new one
12:40 <Fonkay> brb
12:40 * spidey slaps flea
12:40 <spidey> er
12:40 * spidey slaps Fonkay
12:40 <madmax|pt> there's not a binary for .3 on beta.arma though
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: then I don't know if it'll work or even what it'll take to make it work, sorry
12:41 <madmax|pt> i gotta find out more on whre the config files are stored
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: it shouldn't be too hard to make it work in windows, it's just a matter of where to store the config file, using os.path when I should use it, and having a way to set the path to the armagetronad binary
12:42 <spidey> i bet
12:42 <spidey> i could make it
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, theoretically, os.path.expanduser() is supposed to turn ~ into your home directory
12:42 <spidey> all they have to do is install python24
12:42 <madmax|pt> where do you create/modify config files on the script Lucifer?
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, after you deal with the things I've mentioned, and python2.4 is installed, you can just click on the script
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt: all over the place. It's pretty much pasta right now, sorry.
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> I usually try to do better than that.
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> :(
12:43 <madmax|pt> lol
12:43 <madmax|pt> ok
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you search configurator, you'll find all the instances where it's used. I did a lot of copying and pasting, so the configuration object has the same name everywhere it's used
12:44 <spidey> mmm
12:44 <spidey> exec('c:\program files\armagetron advanced\armagetronad.exe');
12:44 <spidey> shouldn't that work?
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> no
12:44 <spidey> O_o
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> well
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what the exec keyword does, actually, I only know it's a reserved word
12:45 <spidey> it executes a program
12:45 <spidey> :p
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> os.system(whatyouwrote) should work, provided that's where it's at
12:45 <spidey> it is
12:45 <spidey> unless the user changed the dir
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> now, how do you use the command line interface to change config values?
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> mind you,
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> I make the assumption that people using windows don't know how to use the command line
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's usually a safe assumption :)
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> and I know what using the commandline for a python app looks like
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> c:\python24\python namepicker.py
12:47 <spidey> mm
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> c:\python24\python namepicker.py -a "c:\path\to\the\file\with spaces\lucifer.txt"
12:47 <spidey> it'd be
12:47 <spidey> cd \python24
12:47 <spidey> python.exe \path\to\namepicker.py
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> that's even worse :)
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> that is, if people put it on their desktop where they can click on it
12:48 <spidey> still won't work
12:48 <spidey> they have to do it that way
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> python.exe \Desktop and Settings\My Name\wherever\namepicker.py
12:48 <spidey> erm
12:48 <spidey> python.exe C:\documents and settings\usr\desktop\namepicker.py
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> this little script isn't worth writing a gui for, though. :)
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> probably better to have it write it's config file and then people can use notepad to edit it
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm definitely without a doubt going to bed right now
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
12:49 <madmax|pt> cya
12:49 <spidey> lol
12:49 <spidey> cya
12:52 <Fonkay> night
12:53 * spidey slaps Fonkay
12:53 <Fonkay> ow man.... abusive much
12:54 <Fonkay> woman beater
12:54 <spidey> :)
12:54 <spidey> ;D
12:54 <spidey> only to you
12:55 <Fonkay> :P
12:55 <Fonkay> you gonna play or wha?
12:55 <spidey> mmm?
13:11 <Fonkay> bye
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15:55 <nemostultae> #nickometer
15:55 <armabot> nemostultae: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "nemostultae" is 0.0%.
16:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> useless aliases: no ok
16:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> useless plugins: ok
16:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
16:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #list alias
16:08 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
16:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man man
16:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: man - format and display the on-line manual pages
16:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man Xgl
16:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
16:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man xgl
16:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
16:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man X11
16:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
16:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cheap -.-
16:09 <nemostultae> How do you inspect an alias, to see what it is actually doing?
16:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
16:10 <nemostultae> er, yes
16:13 <nemostultae> #chatlog
16:14 <spidey> #help man
16:14 <armabot> spidey: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
16:14 <spidey> :)
16:15 <nemostultae> :o
16:15 <spidey> #help chatlog
16:15 <armabot> spidey: (chatlog <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "tell [echo $who] [last --in #armagetron --nolimit $*]".
16:22 <nemostultae> madmax|pt: 0.3.0 is on sourceforge and aabeta. Well, kinda aabeta. I forgot to run the update script on it. I just did and it still isn't showing up.
16:44 <madmax|pt> Well, now that im able to compile it, im cool :D
16:48 <nemostultae> also, use "open" to open applications. See "man open"
16:48 <madmax|pt> i know
16:48 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: commit messages don't seem to work in #commits, so armabot won't update aabeta
16:48 <wrtlprnft> #man 2 open
16:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: open, creat - open and possibly create a file or device
16:49 <madmax|pt> are you reading the chat history?
16:49 <nemostultae> different open, unless that machine is running NeXTStep
16:50 <wrtlprnft> no, sorry
16:50 <nemostultae> madmax|pt: yes
16:53 <nemostultae> wrtlprnft: I switched to irssi.
17:11 <spidey> wrtlprnft,
17:11 <spidey> here's a uptime to beat
17:11 <spidey> [spidey@venture ~/]$ uptime
17:11 <spidey> 3:11PM up 572 days, 15:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.26, 0.18, 0.12
17:13 <spidey> #night
17:13 <armabot> Good night spidey!
17:15 <nemostultae> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_fe_st/rare_lobster
17:16 <nemostultae> ^ half red, half blue lobster
17:16 <nemostultae> or half red, half black
17:31 <philippeqc> practical, you can cook it in half the time.
17:37 <philippeqc> it surely looks like a hoacs
17:40 <madmax|pt> ? hoax?
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18:04 <philippeqc> yes hoax, when I saw the pick, my first though was "humm, sure look like they only cooked half of it". then in the first sentence, they comment agains it.
18:06 <mkzelda> yahoo news has had a lot of hoaxes
18:07 <mkzelda> like the guy who got busted by the sec for insider trading claiming to be from the future
18:07 <mkzelda> it went on to say he had the cure for aids and cancer
18:07 <mkzelda> but wouldnt reveal the info if they wouldnt let him free
18:08 <philippeqc> lol, sound like fun
18:12 <philippeqc> what would you do in a similar situation
18:13 <philippeqc> you find a guy robbing your home, you say your going to call the police, he say he comes from the future, that you should let him go and in exchange, he will tell you the cure for cancer.
18:14 <philippeqc> how do you differ time travelers from loonies?
18:15 <mkzelda> good question, we'll have to come up with some sort of plan
18:16 <mkzelda> cause if you say "What do I do next"
18:16 <mkzelda> and he says "let me go"
18:16 <mkzelda> then you can just not let him go
18:16 <mkzelda> and prove him wrong
18:16 <mkzelda> although i guess he could reply "kill me" and then you'd let him go
18:16 <philippeqc> imagine yourself time travelling in the past, needing some cash, and ending up robbing pasteur. You KNOW the general idea of pasterisation. Could you describe it accuratly enough for him to beleive you?
18:17 <mkzelda> no
18:17 <philippeqc> so your average time traveller might find himself in the same situation, ie: having the key, but not all the steps to cure cancer.
18:24 <mkzelda> they took our jobs!
18:30 <philippeqc> south park ;)
18:31 <mkzelda> :) good episode
18:31 <philippeqc> the only sure sign that said person is a time traveler is that you'd probably get sick around him. So spend a just over a week, and if you develop pneumonia or some other very serious disease, then your quite sure he's from the future.
18:33 <philippeqc> thats pretty much where I stopped watching the show. If only there was a way to see the episodes after that
18:41 <nemostultae> philippeqc: http://www.piczo.com/allaboutsouthpark?g=11323462&cr=3
19:25 <philippeqc> humm, maybe my dissapointment with Mandriva need to account for the fact that I'm on a x86_64 machine...
19:32 <mkzelda> what kind of 64?
19:33 <mkzelda> im pretty happy with mine on gentoo
19:33 <philippeqc> x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
19:33 <mkzelda> os[Linux 2.6.17-no2 x86_64] distro[Gentoo Linux "~amd64"] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 FX-53 Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.40GHz] mem[Physical : 2.0GB, 80.5% free] disk[Total : 323.84GB, 78.60% Free] video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7800 GT]] sound[NFORCE - NVidia CK804]
19:33 <philippeqc> dropped gentoo after I realised that I spend more time upgrading it than you know.... using it
19:33 <mkzelda> heh, you dont HAVE to upgrade it, you just feel compelled to
19:33 <mkzelda> b/c you can
19:33 <philippeqc> yes
19:34 <mkzelda> i have machines that i have left for a couple years
19:34 <mkzelda> w/o upgrading
19:34 <mkzelda> still work as good as day 1
19:34 <philippeqc> and waste 4 hours on that every weekend wasnt worth any on the non-perceptible gain of performance
19:34 <mkzelda> just have to upgrade a thing or two when something new i want depends on a newer version
19:34 <mkzelda> i dont use it for the performance boosts
19:34 <mkzelda> i use it for portage which just makes getting everything easy
19:35 <philippeqc> urpmi works fine... except for anything not available for x86_64
19:35 <mkzelda> is that mandriva thing?
19:35 <philippeqc> yes
19:36 <mkzelda> i havent used it since it was mandrake
19:36 <mkzelda> when it was just a straight ripoff of redhat
19:36 <mkzelda> there were still redhat logos all over it
19:37 <philippeqc> except when I started using it, redhat still required you to go and get ALL the packages by hand, without ever telling you of possible dependencies, and Mandriva did it all by itself
19:37 <philippeqc> ;)
19:37 <mkzelda> ya i used it b4 it ever had that
19:37 <mkzelda> dependancy hell
19:38 <philippeqc> shivers
19:38 <mkzelda> i started with debian 1.3.1
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19:38 <mkzelda> that install cd had a directory named wrong
19:38 <mkzelda> would break most things
19:38 <philippeqc> lol
19:38 <mkzelda> was a lot of fun
19:39 <philippeqc> and at that time, moving the content of a cd on your hd just to fix a directory was out of the question.
19:40 <mkzelda> yea, i was ahead of the curve w/ my 1gig harddrive
19:40 <mkzelda> when everyone else had ~540mb or 700ish
19:40 <philippeqc> remenissing about old computers I bought, I realise my current one has as much ram as the first one I bought had hd space
19:40 <philippeqc> 2 gigs
19:40 <mkzelda> and my motherboard wouldnt read the full 1gig, had to have that special maxblast like software
19:41 <mkzelda> i had a 286 w/ a 20mb scsi drive
19:41 <philippeqc> ouch!
19:41 <philippeqc> I nearly deleted my code
19:41 <philippeqc> without ever commiting it to snv
19:41 <mkzelda> i threw away that 286 not too long ago
19:41 <mkzelda> my first computer
19:42 <mkzelda> played carmen sandiego on it
19:42 <mkzelda> that was about it
19:42 <philippeqc> going to focus my attention into making myself a private space in svn
19:43 <mkzelda> i should go to work
19:43 <philippeqc> ok cya
19:43 <mkzelda> been putting it off
19:43 <mkzelda> cya
19:43 <Brooky> bye
19:46 <Brooky> how do i check chat logs on my armagetron dedicated server
19:49 <nemostultae> Are you on windows?
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19:57 <Brooky> yes i am
20:02 <Brooky> how do i do it on windows?
20:15 <Brooky> Also....
20:15 <Brooky> How do i get my clan server listen on the armagetron forums in the server section
20:16 <Brooky> and to be able to get in the server admins section
20:17 <Brooky> ???
20:19 <nemostultae> You must ask Tank about that.
20:19 <Brooky> Ok
20:19 <Brooky> how do i do the chat logs?
20:19 <nemostultae> To get chatlogs you must redirect the output from AA to a file. I'm not sure how to that on Windows.
20:19 <nemostultae> how to do*
20:20 <nemostultae> Then you would parse the output for chat.
20:20 <Brooky> oh
20:20 <Brooky> so its a source job then?
20:21 <nemostultae> You would need to write some code, but you don't need to edit the AA source for this.
20:21 <Brooky> how did zman get this picture?
20:21 <Brooky> http://forums.armagetronad.net/files/gnorty_196.png
20:22 <Brooky> oh
20:22 <Brooky> i cant write code
20:22 <Brooky> lol
20:24 <nemostultae> See the setting DEBUG_GNUPLOT. It only works in debug mode.
20:24 <nemostultae> http://www.gnuplot.info/
20:25 <nemostultae> #alias list
20:25 <nemostultae> hmm
20:26 <nemostultae> what is that alias to get AA docstrings
20:26 <nemostultae> #list alias
20:26 <armabot> nemostultae: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
20:26 <nemostultae> #armaconfig DEBUG_GNUPLOT
20:26 <armabot> nemostultae: Sorry, no matches :S
20:27 <nemostultae> :S
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21:03 <Brooky> so what does that mean?
21:05 <Brooky> how do i use gnuplot?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: it only knows documented settings
21:08 <wrtlprnft> the script parses the output of armagetronad --doc
21:11 <Brooky> there is a bug in my server
21:11 <Brooky> and i dont know how to fix it
21:11 <Brooky> i have never seen it before in any other server
21:11 <Brooky> its like instant kill
21:11 <Brooky> it by passes the rubber
21:12 <wrtlprnft> name?
21:12 <Brooky> element clan server
21:12 <Brooky> ill meet you in it
21:14 <wrtlprnft> can't find it :(
21:18 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
21:18 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a malodorous tongueful of foul fish.
21:22 <Brooky> custom connect to
21:23 <Brooky> joni.zapto.org:4534
21:25 <wrtlprnft> done
21:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult armabot
21:26 <armabot> armabot - You are nothing but a vain pile of penguin-molesting piss.
21:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo hello
21:26 <armabot> hello
21:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo #insult armabot
21:26 <armabot> #insult armabot
21:29 <Brooky> right
21:29 <Brooky> ill just host them all
21:30 <wrtlprnft> if you used the config files right only settings_custom.cfg is what i can use
21:31 <Brooky> http://joni.sytes.net
21:31 <Brooky> oops
21:31 <Brooky> http://joni.sytes.net/config
21:31 <Brooky> there
21:31 <Brooky> my main one is autoexec
21:31 <wrtlprnft> did you change the others?
21:31 <Brooky> erm
21:31 <Brooky> not sure
21:31 <Brooky> maybe
21:31 <wrtlprnft> ...
21:32 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'll have some fun diffing those :S
21:32 <Brooky> what are you going to do?
21:32 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig ay_bo
21:32 <Brooky> have i found a new bug?
21:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_DELAY_BONUS: Extra fudge factor to CYCLE_DELAY applied on the dedicated server only. || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS differs from its default?
21:32 <wrtlprnft> lots of rubber related settings there
21:33 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY 5.0
21:33 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS 2
21:33 <Brooky> so what i do now?
21:33 <wrtlprnft> this is basically the normal usage inversed, i dunno if that might be a cause
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig er_leg
21:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_RUBBER_LEGACY: Revert to old, framerate dependant and old-clients-ripping, rubber code if old clients are present. Old means <= 0.2.7.0 here.
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig er_time
21:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME: Timescale rubber is restored on. || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED: Rubber usage is based on distance travelled if this is 0 (default) and the time passed if this is 1. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well. || CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED differs from its default? || (1 more message)
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #agmaconfig indistance_unp
21:35 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig indistance_unp
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_UNPREPARED: Additional distance for unprepared grinds; it gets applied when the cycle's last turn was just a fraction of a second ago and faded out preparation times larger than CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_PREPARATION. || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_UNPREPARED_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_UNPREPARED differs from its default?
21:37 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that might be it, too.. just try resetting some values to defaults until the bug disappears and then tell us which setting caused the bug?
21:38 <Brooky> that will take ages
21:38 <Brooky> lol
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> you have 12 rubber related settings in there
21:39 <wrtlprnft> assuming exactly one is the cause you need a maximum of 4 tries to find the one that causes the bug
21:41 <Brooky> ok
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21:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to anyone interested in the proprietary nvidia gfx drivers for linux x86_64: http://paddy-so.no-ip.org/~pso/nv/
21:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to be more precisely: for anyone interested in new releases
21:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> check happens every 30 minutes
21:45 <philippeqc> you mean the ones that nvidia give for free on their web site?
21:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
21:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> which ones else?
21:45 <philippeqc> so you are mirroring nvidia's site drivers
21:45 <philippeqc> ????
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm just checking for new releases
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> while you gotta do 4 or 5 clicks until you know that from the nvidia site
21:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you only gotta do 1 click here
21:46 <philippeqc> o ok
21:46 <philippeqc> my driver works fine, and to kick in a new one, I'd need to reboot.
21:46 <philippeqc> but thanks
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> reboot?
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not really
21:47 <philippeqc> I havent investigated how to fix the kernel in any other way
21:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> make sure you have support for module unloading
21:47 <philippeqc> I've done it like 3 times since january, so its not a biggy
21:48 <philippeqc> I usually go fetch the latest driver when I accidentally forget, and update my kernel, and thus need to redo the procedure.
21:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh k
21:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gues who's getting 2 sun ultra 10 tomorrow ^^
21:49 <philippeqc> just out of curiosity, does monitoring version that closely resulted in noticable improvements?
21:49 <philippeqc> congrats for the suns
21:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> next version might support Xgl u know...
21:50 <philippeqc> k
21:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean like officially
21:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it works ok most of the time now...
21:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but still has some bugs here and there
21:50 <philippeqc> Xgl being X windows native support for opengl?
21:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no Xgl is the new kind of X server
21:51 <philippeqc> o ok
21:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl
21:51 <philippeqc> has my hands deep in svn about to make a branch
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> modprobe nvidia <-- loads the nvidia kernel module if it's there
22:01 <philippeqc> in svn, what is the diff between the branche 0.3.0 and trunk?
22:01 <philippeqc> have we released 0.3.0?
22:01 <philippeqc> I should have noticed it if we did.
22:02 <wrtlprnft> we did
22:06 <philippeqc> should development go onto trunk or 0.3? Isnt 0.3 a development serie?
22:07 <philippeqc> what is a development serie anyway
22:07 <wrtlprnft> only bugfixes into 0.3
22:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno what it is myself, ask Lucifer_arma, luke-jr_ and z-man-home
22:08 <Brooky> wrlt
22:08 <z-man-home> 0.3.0 is dead, work on the trunk
22:08 <Brooky> wrtl*
22:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:08 * z-man-home should have announced that
22:08 <Brooky> can you come into server
22:08 <Brooky> i cant test on my own
22:08 <Brooky> its not first bunch
22:11 <philippeqc> ok
22:11 <philippeqc> what was the purpose of 0.3? is it worth knowing or is it dead dead
22:12 <z-man-home> It was the first development series release
22:13 <z-man-home> the release was done, (look into tags), the branch is completely merged back.
22:13 <z-man-home> If accidental commits happen to it, no problem, they can still be merged back.
22:13 <Brooky> zman
22:13 <philippeqc> svn was busy getting ALL files ...
22:13 <Brooky> there is an instant kill bug in my server
22:14 <wrtlprnft> z-man-home: http://80.73.222.29:80/config/autoexec.cfg <-- config
22:14 <Brooky> me and wrtl think it maybe to do with CYCLE_RUBBER_LEGACY 0
22:14 * z-man-home will try
22:14 <wrtlprnft> i don't really as it's unrelated
22:14 <Brooky> because it doesnt happen when i get rid of that command
22:14 <Brooky> oh
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> development goes into the trunk
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: the development series is a series of releases off the trunk. :)
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: the development series has a lot of purposes, the two I care about are these:
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> 1) it gets new features out to third-party extenders (moviepack makers, mapmakers, etc) so they can start working on their extensions, so that when we next have a stable release,
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> there will already be a hopefully large body of extensions available
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> 2) it gives us an extended QA cycle, hopefully shortening the beta process when the time comes
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, three
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> 3) It gives regular users that don't know how to build software or don't care to run off the trunk an opportunity to see what we're doing and provide real feedback
22:17 <z-man-home> Brooky: what is the nature of the bug?
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: ^^^^^ (i see you're marked away)
22:18 <wrtlprnft> you die without rubber applied
22:18 <wrtlprnft> apparently if you crash into a new wall
22:18 <z-man-home> always?
22:18 <philippeqc> ok, thanks for the explication Lucifer_arma
22:18 <wrtlprnft> dunno
22:18 <wrtlprnft> i saw it one time
22:19 <Brooky> when you are dueling
22:19 <z-man-home> That's normal :)
22:19 <z-man-home> It's the classic rubberless death
22:19 <Brooky> when someone turns infront i instantly die
22:19 <Brooky> but i have 35 rubber
22:20 <z-man-home> when a high-ping player hits a low-ping player's wall, the low ping player has to be killed instantly to keep the balance of the universe.
22:20 <z-man-home> High rubber makes it more pronounced.
22:20 <Brooky> ok
22:20 <Brooky> lol
22:20 <Brooky> that is why
22:20 <Brooky> i have 50 ping
22:20 <Brooky> lol
22:20 <Brooky> can that be changed?
22:21 <z-man-home> Usually, the low ping player should need to be reset to the point before the collision, but that's not always possible.
22:21 <z-man-home> no, can't be changed with the current engine
22:21 <Brooky> oh
22:21 <z-man-home> you can lower the impact by playing with zero ping charity
22:21 <Brooky> can you make it changable please
22:21 <z-man-home> Sometime
22:21 <z-man-home> I wrote a short essay about the required change on the forum
22:21 <Brooky> what would the timescale on this be?
22:22 <z-man-home> yeats
22:22 <z-man-home> years, I mean
22:22 <Brooky> oh
22:22 <z-man-home> maybe one
22:22 <Brooky> how come
22:22 <Brooky> ?
22:22 <z-man-home> The only thing I can do now, and I probably will, would be to make ping charity disablable
22:22 <Brooky> ok thanks
22:23 <z-man-home> The difficulty is that ping charity and other lag compensation stuff requires simulation of time travel :)
22:23 <Brooky> Ok
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> and a simulation of time travel requires a simulation of a flux capacitor
22:23 <Brooky> how long would it take to make ping charity disablable
22:24 <Brooky> lol
22:24 <z-man-home> That probalby will happen in 0.2.8.3
22:24 <Brooky> ok
22:24 <Brooky> thanks
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> we're getting a simulation of a flux capacitor in 0.2.8.3? cool!
22:24 <Brooky> lol
22:24 <z-man-home> But all clients need to be 0.2.8.3, too, because the current clients determine the ping charity value themselves
22:24 <Brooky> ok
22:25 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: we already have it, but it's not working properly
22:25 <philippeqc> time for me to buy a orange vest, and for z-man to get a fuzzy hair cut
22:25 <Brooky> most people update anyway when a new version comes out
22:25 <z-man-home> I already have the haircut :)
22:25 <Brooky> lol
22:25 <philippeqc> and a white overall
22:26 <philippeqc> you need the white overall and the big savety goggles
22:26 <z-man-home> Who brings the car?
22:26 <philippeqc> s/savety/safety
22:26 <philippeqc> I guess it should be a contribution from our friends over the pond. They have many cars there.
22:27 <philippeqc> We'll just sand it off for that time travelling look
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer PsYk0
22:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "PsYk0" is 21.5%.
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I can't post that!
22:28 <philippeqc> lol
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bring my celica
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer "~*SP*~ PsYkO"
22:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~*SP*~ PsYkO" is 99.8%.
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> if we paint it silver we can pretend it's a delorian
22:29 <philippeqc> have you noticed that the ratio of "x did something bad" post really went through the roof since a short while
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> but I was actually hoping to be the guy in the volkswagon bus with the rocket launcher
22:29 <z-man-home> philippeqc: there were two in the past days
22:29 * Lucifer_arma goes to post about the bad thing philippeqc did
22:29 <philippeqc> o I see, lucifer wants to be the comic releif
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22:30 <Lucifer_arma> of course, since he never does anything bad, I'll just have to make shit up.
22:30 <Brooky> #nickometer brooky
22:30 <armabot> Brooky: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "brooky" is 0.0%.
22:30 * z-man-home thinks he can organize the bus
22:30 <philippeqc> z-man-home: there were 2 Big that snowballed.
22:30 <z-man-home> they always snowball :)
22:31 * philippeqc ponders... we live in a strange world where people prefer to play the terrorist rather than Marty and Doc
22:31 <z-man-home> You don't expect any of the participants to admit he may have been a bit one-sided in his views and statements, do you?
22:32 <philippeqc> I can dream..... I can dream .....
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22:32 <philippeqc> this time, diagonal reading doesnt describe what I did with that thread.
22:34 <z-man-home> Was it fractal with dimension < 1?
22:34 <philippeqc> lol
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> actually, one of the threads has some interesting discussion going on about what remote admins should be doing and what current admins do
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> not a lot of it, true, but it's at least interesting
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> you know, in between the borderline flames
22:35 <z-man-home> Didn't it boil down to "they should do what the master admin tells them"?
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> thats in there somewhere
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, if I give someone remote admin password for my server, should I tell them to be as capricious as me because that's what players expect?
22:38 <z-man-home> I think the master admin has some extra rights to behave badly on his own server
22:38 <philippeqc> I wonder if lucifer give me remote admin and I start being nice and consistent, how long before a flame erupt, players complaining about me
22:38 <z-man-home> So that it is clear who is the master, you know?
22:38 <philippeqc> lol
22:39 <philippeqc> yeah, because nobody understand the label at the entrance, but if you kick ban them a bit, they'lll respect you and be gland for the service to the community
22:40 <z-man-home> Moreover, the master admin should kick and kill the remote admins from time to time in front of the players, just to show how evil he is.
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> I can just see someone posting "I got kicked from Swamplords Teams and the admin told me why, and he told me what I did wrong, and I understood! That asshole isn't doing it right!"
22:41 <z-man-home> "He even warned me first!"
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, I think I'd probably enjoy fucking with the other admins more than the players
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> so, when do we get groups? ;)
22:41 <z-man-home> Dunno. After a new config system, I guess.
22:41 <z-man-home> and Authentication.
22:42 * z-man-home found the recording with Van's screenshot, yay!
22:42 <philippeqc> lucifer, I admire your enthousiam and your ability to abuse system before they even exist
22:47 <z-man-home> Lucifer_arma: about the start scripts, I'm afraid they're really not in a sharable state. Every server has its own script :(
22:47 <z-man-home> Which shows that they're by far not general enough.
22:48 <z-man-home> And all they do is "make; ./armagetronad --record bug.rec | tee bug.log; if grep BUG bug.log {store stuff}" in a loop
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok
22:51 * Lucifer_arma will keep hacking at aadaemon then
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> of course, now I have to pull out the remote admin xml-rpc thing I was working on, because it will soon be obsolete via shttpd :)
22:55 <Brooky> shttpd
22:55 <Brooky> i didnt know there was such thing
22:55 <Brooky> ive heard of
22:55 <Brooky> https
22:55 <Brooky> and
22:55 <Brooky> httpd
22:55 <Brooky> but not shttpd
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd is a program and a library that you can use to embed a webserver in your application
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-home: I've actually been toying with two ideas for configuration :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> 1. We turn it into a push system, if you envision our current system as a pull. The object creators would calls object::setConfig() or something to set its config paramters, and it would just know what the objects need
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like that much, though
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2. We just take groups of config items now and turn them into resources. When we've pulled out all the config items that make sense as resources, we look at what's left
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> at which point we'll probably decide we have a good config system that doesn't need to be changed :)
23:01 <Brooky> 0k
23:01 <Brooky> lol
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I think 2) is the most reasonable path for now, but it depends on resource system work, some of which I intend to start in on pretty soon as part of the sound engine stuff
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> which brings up something else. :) I think we need a roadmap where we can list task dependencies.
23:09 <Brooky> i respect your train of thought
23:09 <Brooky> lol
23:13 <cusco> I have something that I wish to share with you
23:13 <cusco> http://www.worldjumpday.org/
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23:15 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Jedi Battle Fortress (15 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (7 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (6 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (5 players) || Bugfarm Sumo (4 players) || �/xf5fbff�ps Arena (1 more message)
23:15 <cusco> Vanhayes: check thos out http://www.worldjumpday.org/
23:16 <Brooky> that is scart
23:16 <Brooky> scary
23:16 <Brooky> if it works
23:16 <madmax|pt> lol
23:16 <Brooky> omg
23:16 <Brooky> lol
23:17 <cusco> I don't know what else to say but "lol"
23:17 <Brooky> hehe
23:17 <Brooky> that is an option
23:18 <cusco> I will jump! if I remember!
23:20 <Vanhayes> lol nice, pretty sure it wont work tho
23:20 <Brooky> or
23:20 * Vanhayes will try to remember to do it anyway
23:20 <cusco> hehe
23:20 <Brooky> we could totaly send ourselves flying away from the sun
23:20 <Vanhayes> lol
23:20 <cusco> hahaha
23:20 <Brooky> that would be a disaster
23:20 <Brooky> but remember
23:21 <Vanhayes> ya but what a ride
23:21 <Brooky> it could happen
23:21 <Brooky> lol
23:21 <Brooky> we wouldnt notice at all anyway
23:21 <Brooky> because of out atmosphere
23:21 <Vanhayes> #g 600000000*150
23:21 <armabot> 600,000,000 * 150 = 90,000,000,000
23:22 <Brooky> whats the 150?
23:22 <Vanhayes> that would be a rough estimate of the weight
23:22 <Brooky> pounds?
23:22 <Vanhayes> ya
23:22 <Brooky> fuck me
23:22 <Brooky> lol
23:22 <Vanhayes> #g 90000000000 lbs in kgs
23:22 <armabot> 90,000,000,000 pounds = 40,823,313,300 kilograms
23:22 <Vanhayes> heh
23:23 <Brooky> about 99.9% of the people will forget though
23:23 <Vanhayes> true
23:23 <Brooky> what about in stone
23:23 <Brooky> lbs in stones
23:23 <Vanhayes> #g 90000000000 lbs in stone
23:23 <armabot> 90,000,000,000 pounds = 6.42857143 × 10^(9) stone
23:23 <Brooky> wtf??
23:23 <Vanhayes> I have no idea what stone is btw
23:23 <Vanhayes> #g 90000000000 lbs in stones
23:23 <armabot> 90,000,000,000 pounds = 6.42857143 × 10^(9) stones
23:23 <Brooky> im 11 stone 2
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's in 3 days
23:24 <Vanhayes> yes
23:24 <Brooky> 3 days?
23:24 <Brooky> is there 3 different jumps?
23:24 <Vanhayes> exaxtally 3 days and one hour
23:24 <Brooky> as the world spins
23:24 <Vanhayes> er ecactally
23:24 <Vanhayes> er
23:24 <Vanhayes> nvrm
23:24 <Brooky> to get us going in the right direction?
23:25 * Lucifer_arma wonders how they did the computation to determine that would do something
23:25 <Vanhayes> hmm wouldnt it just sort of compress the earth seeing as we arent all in the same place?
23:26 <Vanhayes> er wait that might be 7 20 am for me
23:26 * Lucifer_arma is too sleepy to work out the math
23:26 <Vanhayes> screw the earth im not getting up that earlt
23:26 <Vanhayes> early*
23:26 <Brooky> no it wouldnot
23:26 <Brooky> only certain parts jump at a certain time
23:27 <Brooky> the world spins remember
23:27 <Vanhayes> but the times are all set to the same time
23:27 <Brooky> so they would have calculated it so we all jump when we are facing the way
23:28 <Vanhayes> #g 11:39 GMT into ATL
23:28 <Brooky> lucifer said "that's in 3 days"
23:28 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's the gravitational attraction of 600,000,000 people?
23:28 <Brooky> #g GMT
23:28 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:28 <Vanhayes> #wtf GMT
23:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: GMT: nothing appropriate
23:28 <Vanhayes> lol
23:28 <Brooky> Grenwitch mean time
23:28 <Brooky> or however its spelt
23:28 <Brooky> lol
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> we use UTC down here
23:28 <Vanhayes> heh i know just seeing if armabot did
23:28 <Brooky> i am on GMT + 1
23:29 <Vanhayes> I use ATL
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer_arma
23:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
23:29 <Brooky> Brittish summer time
23:29 <Vanhayes> #wtf Vanhayes
23:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: nothing appropriate
23:29 <Brooky> how did you do that lucifer?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> how did I do what?
23:29 <Vanhayes> #convert 11:39 GMT to ATL
23:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 11:39 is not a valid unit.
23:29 <Vanhayes> grr
23:29 <Brooky> <Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer_arma
23:29 <Brooky> <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER_ARMA: Ruler of all that is evil
23:30 <Vanhayes> armabot: is lucifer's, he makes it do what he wants
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> #wtf Lucifer
23:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: LUCIFER: See Lucifer_arma
23:30 <philippeqc> #wtf philippeqc
23:30 <armabot> philippeqc: philippeqc: nothing appropriate
23:30 <Vanhayes> #wtf arma
23:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: arma: nothing appropriate
23:30 <philippeqc> :(
23:30 <Vanhayes> #wtf _
23:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: _: nothing appropriate
23:30 <philippeqc> #wtf z-man
23:30 <armabot> philippeqc: z-man: nothing appropriate
23:30 <Vanhayes> #nickometer Brooky
23:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Brooky" is 0.0%.
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is just a program on the server, and it has a simple databse format
23:30 <philippeqc> #wtf z-man-home
23:30 <armabot> philippeqc: z-man-home: nothing appropriate
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> so I just added my own name to it :)
23:30 <Vanhayes> lol
23:31 <Vanhayes> hmm where was I yesturday
23:31 <philippeqc> yes, I guessed so, but here are a few ideas of entries to put there
23:31 <Brooky> how did you add your name?
23:31 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
23:31 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
23:31 <Brooky> #nickometer -{E}- Blind
23:31 <armabot> Brooky: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "-{E}- Blind" is 98.1%.
23:31 <Brooky> owns all
23:31 <Brooky> lol
23:32 <Vanhayes> heh that is how lame it is lol
23:32 <Vanhayes> #nickometer Vanhayes
23:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Vanhayes" is 0.0%.
23:32 <Vanhayes> 0=not lame
23:32 <Brooky> #nickometer Blind
23:32 <armabot> Brooky: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Blind" is 0.0%.
23:32 <Vanhayes> #nickometer [clan] Vanhayes
23:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[clan] Vanhayes" is 80.1%.
23:32 <Brooky> same difference
23:33 <Vanhayes> im trying to find a name that is 100% lame
23:33 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>???
23:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>???" is 99.991%.
23:34 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>?
23:34 <Brooky> ooh
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>?" is 99.990%.
23:34 <wrtlprnft> doesn't exist
23:34 <Brooky> how about
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer ################################################################################################################
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "################################################################################################################" is 99.996%.
23:34 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>1345134513459134179045614378564192345134054%*&^$%^@#*@&$*&#%(*&%(#@(^%@&#$
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>1345134513459134179045614378564192345134054%*&^$%^@#*@&$*&#%(*&%(#@(^%@&#$" is 99.996%.
23:34 <wrtlprnft> just type one char...
23:34 <Brooky> #nickometer wrtlprnft |mbc|
23:34 <armabot> Brooky: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "wrtlprnft |mbc|" is 80.1%.
23:34 <Vanhayes> #nickometer {!@}12-10[-=]\/?<|*|>1345134513459134179045614378564192345134054%*&^$%^@#*@&$*&#%(*&%(#@(^%@&#$%*&^@#*(^%@#^@^#(@$^(@&#$^*%#@)@#&@_#_@&#@&#&*(@#*(&&#*@#&(*@(&*#@)#@yIOWTIYET98*(a%^etweG876283769867ghouiolsp:{}s{d{pK
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{!@}12-10 [-=] \/?<|*|>1345134513459134179045614378564192345134054%*&^$%^@#*@&$*&#%(*&%(#@(^%@&#$%*&^@#*(^%@#^@^#(@$^(@&#$^*%#@)@#&@_#_@&#@&#&*(@#*(&&#*@#&(*@(&*#@)#@yIOWTIYET98*(a%^etweG876283769867ghouiolsp:{}s{d{pK" is 99.997%.
23:34 <Brooky> lol
23:34 <Vanhayes> ARGH
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer ########################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################# (1 more message)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #more
23:34 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:34 <philippeqc> #nickometer %
23:34 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%" is 14.4%.
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: #######################################################################################" is 99.997%.
23:35 <philippeqc> #nickometer %%
23:35 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%%" is 38.4%.
23:35 <wrtlprnft> won't go higher
23:35 <philippeqc> #nickometer %#
23:35 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%#" is 38.4%.
23:35 <cusco> #nicometer
23:35 <cusco> #nickometer
23:35 <armabot> cusco: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "cusco" is 0.0%.
23:35 <philippeqc> #nickometer !!
23:35 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!" is 38.4%.
23:35 <cusco> hehe
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> #nickometer [#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@]
23:35 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[#] [%] [@] [#] [%] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. You've given me 5 invalid commands within (3 more messages)
23:35 <cusco> :)
23:35 <cusco> I got 0% !!!
23:35 <Vanhayes> ahahaha
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> what the crap
23:35 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> #more
23:35 <philippeqc> #nickometer \\
23:35 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\\" is 38.4%.
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> !!!
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> I hate that bot
23:35 <wrtlprnft> [NP]Tangent: [] are inline commands
23:35 <Vanhayes> #more [NP]Tangent
23:35 <[NP]Tangent> ah
23:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I haven't seen [NP].
23:36 <philippeqc> but the bot loves you
23:36 <Vanhayes> er
23:36 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer "[#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@]"
23:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@][#][%][@]" is 99.994%.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the cia bot hook isn't working :(
23:36 <cusco> #nickometer armabot
23:36 <armabot> cusco: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "armabot" is 0.0%.
23:36 <philippeqc> you got less than with a string of #
23:36 <Brooky> got 100 yet?
23:36 <philippeqc> o no, shorter string
23:36 <Vanhayes> #nickometer [#]{#}-[#]-_#_{*#*}
23:36 <philippeqc> feels like its a log thing
23:36 <Brooky> who made nickometer?
23:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[#] {#}- [#] -_#_{*#*}" is 99.990%.
23:37 <wrtlprnft> some supybot guy
23:37 <wrtlprnft> it comes with the default distri
23:37 <philippeqc> 1 wacky char = 14.4%. the second is worth 14% extra
23:37 <Brooky> oh
23:37 <philippeqc> #nickometer ###
23:37 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "###" is 97.0%.
23:37 <Vanhayes> #nickometer [#]{#}-[#]-_#_{*#*}/#\####################################################################################################################################
23:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[#] {#}- [#] -_#_{*#*}/#\####################################################################################################################################" is 99.996%.
23:37 <Vanhayes> #nickometer [#]{#}-[#]-_#_{*#*}/#\######################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################################
23:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[#] {#}- You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. (1 more message)
23:37 <philippeqc> wow, the 3rd is worth the most!
23:37 <[NP]Tangent> are we still trying to get to 100?
23:37 <philippeqc> yes
23:37 <Vanhayes> ...
23:37 <[NP]Tangent> no
23:37 <wrtlprnft> impossible
23:37 <[NP]Tangent> mine was worth the most
23:38 <[NP]Tangent> cuz I got the invalid command for three messages
23:38 <cusco> http://www.madphysics.com/ask/jump/
23:38 <[NP]Tangent> SO BEAT THAT
23:38 <Brooky> #nickometer !"?$%^&*()_+\|`?,<.>/?;:'@#~[{]}-=
23:38 <armabot> Brooky: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!"?$%^&*()_+\|`?,<.>/?;:'@#~ [{] }-=" is 99.995%.
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \\[rkx]0
23:38 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\\ [rkx] 0" is 99.7%.
23:39 <Vanhayes> lol
23:39 * Vanhayes found a new name
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \\r0d34th
23:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\\r0d34th" is 99.7%.
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \\r0
23:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\\r0" is 56.9%.
23:39 <philippeqc> #nickometer ###
23:39 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "###" is 97.0%.
23:39 <philippeqc> #nickometer ##aa
23:39 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "##aa" is 38.4%.
23:39 <philippeqc> #nickometer ##a0
23:39 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "##a0" is 56.9%.
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer pronwarez
23:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "pronwarez" is 99.7%.
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer pr0nw4r3z
23:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "pr0nw4r3z" is 99.93%.
23:39 <philippeqc> #nickometer ####
23:39 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "####" is 99.8%.
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer pr0nw4r3z%#$
23:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "pr0nw4r3z%#$" is 99.94%.
23:40 <philippeqc> #nickometer avcdef123
23:40 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "avcdef123" is 44.3%.
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 1ordpr0nw4r3z
23:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1ordpr0nw4r3z" is 99.95%.
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> what's the highest so far?
23:40 <philippeqc> symbols are worth the most, then numbers, and letters are worth nearly nothing
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 10rdpr0nw4r3z
23:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "10rdpr0nw4r3z" is 99.95%.
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, highest score someone's gotten
23:40 <philippeqc> I think 99.997 is the best
23:40 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: lowercase letters that is
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 1ORDpr0nw4r3z
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1ORDpr0nw4r3z" is 99.95%.
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 1ORDpr0n\/\/4r3z
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1ORDpr0n\/\/4r3z" is 99.96%.
23:41 <philippeqc> #nickometer %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%5
23:41 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%5" is 99.996%.
23:41 <philippeqc> #nickometer %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
23:41 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%" is 99.996%.
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 10RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "10RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z" is 99.98%.
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer $10RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z$
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "$10RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z$" is 99.98%.
23:41 <philippeqc> #nickometer %#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%
23:41 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%" is 99.996%.
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer $1()RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z$
23:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "$1()RDpr0|\|\/\/4r3z$" is 99.96%.
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> at least I"m working on something you can read
23:42 <Brooky> or
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 10RDPR0|\|\/\/4r3z
23:42 <Brooky> edit script
23:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "10RDPR0|\|\/\/4r3z" is 99.98%.
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer 10RDPR0|\|\/\/4R3Z
23:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "10RDPR0|\|\/\/4R3Z" is 99.98%.
23:42 <Brooky> so it could be
23:42 <philippeqc> #nickometer %#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#
23:42 <philippeqc> %#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%
23:42 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#% (1 more message)
23:42 <philippeqc> #%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#
23:42 <Brooky> Spidey
23:42 <Brooky> lol
23:42 <philippeqc> %#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%
23:42 <Vanhayes> philippeqc: say #more
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RDPR0|\|\/\/4R3Z
23:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RDPR0|\|\/\/4R3Z" is 99.98%.
23:42 <philippeqc> #more
23:43 <armabot> philippeqc: #%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#" is 99.997%.
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RD\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z
23:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RD\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z" is 99.990%.
23:43 <philippeqc> ok, i'm not going to aim for 99.998
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> mine's still readable....
23:43 <philippeqc> #nickometer #%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RD\0x1eet\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z
23:43 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "#%#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%#%" is 99.995%.
23:43 <Vanhayes> ive always wonder can read read numbers or are you counting them?
23:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RD\0x1eet\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z" is 99.992%.
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm reading the source
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RD\0x1337\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RD\0x1337\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z" is 99.991%.
23:44 <philippeqc> lucifer, beated you with a similar length string
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z" is 99.993%.
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer \0x10RD\0x0341EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "\0x10RD\0x0341EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z" is 99.993%.
23:44 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer Lucifer_arma
23:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "Lucifer_arma" is 14.4%.
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer ~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~" is 99.994%.
23:44 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: 1 symbol ( _ ) is 14.4%
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer -~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~-
23:44 <z-man-home> #nickometer 0303030303030
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "-~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~-" is 99.994%.
23:44 <armabot> z-man-home: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "0303030303030" is 99.7%.
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer <~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~>
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "<~=\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~>" is 99.994%.
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer ~=*\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z*=~
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~=*\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z*=~" is 99.994%.
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I just can't be any lamer than that?
23:45 <philippeqc> #nickometer ~=#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%=~
23:45 <armabot> philippeqc: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~=#%#%#%#%#%#%%#%#%#%#%#%=~" is 99.995%.
23:45 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has left #armagetron ["back when you stop spamming"]
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--- Log opened Mon Jul 17 23:50:52 2006
23:50 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has joined #armagetron
23:50 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
23:50 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 0 secs
23:50 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
23:50 <madmax|pt> and a command silencing all?
23:51 <deja_vu> >:(
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> #nickometer "[~=\\x0\0x10RD\0x1EET\0xPR0|\|\0x\/\/4R3Z=~}"
23:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 'The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "[~=\\x0\x00x10RD\x00x1EET\x00xPR0|\\|\x00x\\/\\/4R3Z=~}" is 99.994%.'
23:51 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:51 <Brooky> hi wrtl
23:51 <wrtlprnft> still spamming?
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> madmax: there's a config option for it, iirc
23:51 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has left #armagetron ["back in a while to check if you still spam"]
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23:52 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has joined #armagetron
23:52 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
23:52 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 0 secs
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: man, I'm 31, I can't help it, I'm just a kid!
23:52 <madmax|pt> "want to silence all? do /quit" stressy about anti-spam comments?
23:52 <madmax|pt> lol
23:52 <philippeqc> lol
23:53 <philippeqc> Well, I can speak, standing on the age of wisdom (32) and say .... yes you are
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> no, same thing happened last time I loaded the nickometer, that's why it hasn't been loaded. I only loaded it last night to check the lameness filter I put in the namepicker script
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to compare the results from the two to make sure I copied the code right
23:54 <anjori> wrtlprnft: by the way, silence_all 1 didnt work for me
23:54 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, worked for me
23:54 <wrtlprnft> you have to rejoin
23:54 <anjori> said it changed from 0 to 1, but i was still seeing what was said
23:54 <anjori> oh
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, madmax|pt: I just updated the namepicker script that puts all the config stuff into one class
23:54 <wrtlprnft> it just silences new players
23:55 <anjori> gotcha
23:55 <wrtlprnft> it changes the default for the silence menu to on instead of off
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: can you go in and out of spectator mode and have it work?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> no
23:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you can go to the silence menu and manually silence everybody
23:56 <wrtlprnft> and with silence_all 1 new players will be silenced too after that
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> madmax|pt is wanting a console command he can put in an instant chat :)
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think he wants it to work immediately for everyone in the server, don't know for sure though
23:56 <madmax|pt> heh, i wanted a instant ON/OFF silence
23:56 <wrtlprnft> well, he can disable the entire console i guess
23:56 <philippeqc> grrr, I'm getting a segfault when I make a new object with both new and tNEW
23:56 <madmax|pt> so i could shut them all up when i wanted
23:56 <madmax|pt> like in def
23:57 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: then something's wrong in the constructor
23:57 <madmax|pt> or when a stupid spammer comes
23:57 <philippeqc> I'm tracing and I dont see anything
23:57 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: bind the scroll keys on the console to something reachable
23:57 <wrtlprnft> and just scroll it away real fast
23:57 <madmax|pt> LOL
23:57 <wrtlprnft> i have it bound to the right shift key, next to the cursor
23:58 <wrtlprnft> works wonders
23:58 <wrtlprnft> that way you can review what was said later if you like
23:58 <wrtlprnft> ie if you got killed
23:59 <madmax|pt> i sometimes do that too, but... its not a ... nice ... solution
23:59 * anjori nods
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--- Day changed Tue Jul 18 2006
00:00 <madmax|pt> heh, silence_all 1 should be immediate no?
00:00 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: where can i get the latest version of your script? and with the copy i got from spidey, it wasn't changing my colours for some reason.
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/namepicker
00:01 * anjori has never used svn before.
00:02 <anjori> perhaps i should install it, then
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> just apt-get subversion
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I created a tracker item on sourceforge's tracker about the cia thing
00:02 <anjori> ah, that would explain why i couldnt find it, i was looking for "svn"
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> :)
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1523796&group_id=1&atid=200001 <--- we're not the only ones suffering, apparently
00:06 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:06 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:07 <anjori> g'night, wrtlprnft
00:09 <anjori> jeez, it's changed drastically since the last version i saw
00:09 <anjori> does it support randomzing instant chats? and how would i define my own word list, in addition to yours?
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> yes it does
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> look in lucifer.txt to see how to do that :)
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> should be pretty self-explanatory
00:12 <anjori> not to a noob like me :P
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> ok
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> in the header, you put name=value pairs where "name" is a name you made up, and "value" is an armagetron configuration item
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> for each name you put in the header, you need a corresponding section
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> so in lucifer.txt, there's "name=PLAYER_1". I need a [name] section
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> in that section, you put 1 to each line, the available choices
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> spidey has a file somewhere where he starts the instant chats, I haven't committed it yet, sorry
00:13 * Lucifer_arma will do that right now real quick
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> so
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> then, when you've created your file with all the settings you want to randomize, you tell namepicker about it like this:
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py -f path/to/the/file.txt
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> you can do that any number of times for different files, and namepicker will use *all* of them
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> so you also do:
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py -f /path/to/lucifer.txt
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py -f /path/to/colors.txt
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> Then you need to create an autoexec.cfg file in ~/.armagetronad/var that contains a line for each config item you want namepicker to pick--namepicker only randomizes settings that appear in autoexec.cfg!
00:15 <anjori> ah, okay. yeah, i got the syntax of lucifer.txt. just wasn't sure where/how to define extra files i wanted to pick from
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> do a svn update real quick
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get spidey's chats file
00:16 <anjori> okay
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> the way the script works, we need to use the same names for the same instant chats when we make our own lists, and spidey started that for us
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> so if you add new generic chats to chats.txt, please try to send them to me somehow so I can add them here. :)
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> then you should make your own personal instant chats that you'd like to still use and put them in your own file, which you should share with us still :)
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> also, I went ahead and threw in some recording thing
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> do namepicker.py -r and it will start armagetron in recording mode
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> the recording will be automatically gzipped, and stored in ~/.armagetronad . You should be able to upload it from there to the forums without having to worry about much
00:20 <anjori> all right
00:20 <anjori> i
00:21 <anjori> 'll go through it all and will hopefully "get it" once i see what does what
00:21 <anjori> sometimes i wonder how i'm ever going to learn to write this shit myself :-/
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's just like anything else, start with simple things and then build more complex things out of the simple things you know.
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> do that enough and you start looking like you know what you're doing
00:23 <anjori> but i don't know if i'm that good of an actor ;)
00:31 <anjori> anjori@2[namepicker]$ ./namepicker.py -s
00:31 <anjori> Showing config
00:31 <anjori> Traceback (most recent call last):
00:31 <anjori> File "./namepicker.py", line 532, in ?
00:31 <anjori> main()
00:31 <anjori> File "./namepicker.py", line 396, in main
00:31 <anjori> ShowConfig(configurator)
00:31 <anjori> File "./namepicker.py", line 318, in ShowConfig
00:31 <anjori> for a in configurator.options('main'):
00:31 <anjori> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/ConfigParser.py", line 240, in options
00:31 <anjori> raise NoSectionError(section)
00:31 <anjori> ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'main'
00:31 <anjori> something tells me that's not what's supposed to happen..
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not, but it's fine
00:31 <anjori> k
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> did you already add a file?
00:32 <anjori> nah. just looking right now
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then the config file hasn't been created and/or the [main] section in it hasn't been created
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> svn update to get rid of the exception, but it still doesn't do anything useful instead :)
00:36 <anjori> to add a new chats/name/etc file to the pool, is it -a or -f? because you told me -f eariler, but it looks to be -a, unless i'm reading the help wrong.
00:37 * spidey uawns
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> might be -a
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> I don't remember, heh
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> whatever -h tells you :)
00:37 <anjori> ah, okay. just checking.
00:37 <anjori> says -f modifie's a file's config
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's right, -f is to change a config option for a specific file, like if the path changes or something
00:38 <anjori> anjori@2[namepicker]$ ./namepicker.py -a lucifer.txt
00:38 <anjori> Traceback (most recent call last):
00:38 <anjori> File "./namepicker.py", line 533, in ?
00:38 <anjori> main()
00:38 <anjori> File "./namepicker.py", line 403, in main
00:38 <anjori> if checkValue[0]:
00:38 <anjori> TypeError: unsubscriptable object
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> should have still saved the config item
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> svn update for the fix
00:40 * Lucifer_arma notes software fresh out of the oven has all sorts of bugs in it. He needs a cleaner oven!
00:41 <spidey> mmm
00:41 <spidey> i don't get it
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> don't get what?
00:41 <spidey> i didn't have a error like that O_o
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> I made some changes today, mostly to make it easier for madmax to make it work on his mac
00:42 <spidey> heh
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> the script's interaction with it's config file is still far from ideal, but at least it's only being read/written in one place now
00:47 <anjori> i'm gonna have to look into how instant chats work before i try to add any
00:49 <anjori> oh, nevermind. i think i get it.
00:49 <spidey> :p
00:49 <anjori> INSTANT_CHAT_STRING_1_2 means player 1, second instant chat key, right?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> yep
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> you might have to rebind your instant chats to match this layout
00:50 <anjori> yeah, i like have my defense keys starting with F7 :P
00:50 <spidey> O_o
00:50 * Lucifer_arma seems to have forgotten how to get the querystring in php
00:50 <anjori> and to split up defense is dead and defense needs help. otherwise people will bitch if you say defense is down when it isnt, etc, etc.
00:51 <spidey> <?php echo $_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']; ?>
00:51 <anjori> and to me, just needing help means i can hold 'em off a bit until you get back. dead, well, hurry the fuck up
00:51 <spidey> that?
00:52 <spidey> ahahah
00:52 * spidey adds that as a chat
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> nah
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> $_GET[]
00:52 <anjori> adds what as a chat?
00:52 <anjori> dead. well, hurry the fuck up? :P
00:52 <spidey> i can hold 'em off a bit until you get back. dead, well, hurry the fuck up
00:54 <spidey> gah
00:54 <spidey> i hate bnc
00:55 <anjori> heh, i'm not even going to say what first came to mind
00:55 <anjori> i think most around here have a higher standard of decency than me :)
00:55 <spidey> Daemon port......: 6697
00:55 <spidey> Maxusers.........: 2
00:55 <spidey> Default conn port: 6667
00:55 <spidey> Pid File.........: ./pid.bnc
00:55 <spidey> Vhost Default....: -SYSTEM DEFAULT-
00:55 <spidey> Exit ./bnc{4} :Unable to bind to socket.
00:55 <spidey> :(
00:57 <Brooky> #night
00:57 <armabot> Good night Brooky!
00:57 <Brooky> bye
00:57 <Vanhayes> cya
00:57 -!- Brooky [n=Brooky@80.73.222.29] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:58 <spidey> UP 72.20.20.28 your.gf.gave.me.the.stinkfinger.org
00:58 <spidey> hahahahaha
00:58 <spidey> i love these vhosts
00:58 <anjori> who is knojf?
00:58 <spidey> so.what.if.im.a.packetkiddie.net
00:58 <spidey> hah!
00:59 <anjori> (edit by Rain)
00:59 <anjori> do you know either of those names?
00:59 <spidey> no?
00:59 <anjori> they added themself to our team on the wiki
01:00 <spidey> oh
01:00 <spidey> oops clan?
01:00 <anjori> i have no idea
01:00 <Vanhayes> rain is opps dont know about knojf
01:01 <anjori> speaking of which, it's monday. you with us, van?
01:01 <anjori> i'm gonna rename the team and get myself off of canada, which i never added myself in the first place
01:02 <spidey> i love nano
01:05 <mkzelda> i know rain and knojf
01:06 <anjori> um, the name now says "sid-zong".
01:06 <mkzelda> oops clan members are decent
01:06 <mkzelda> mostly dont start too much trouble either
01:06 <Vanhayes> hmmI think rain is both sid-zong and konjf
01:06 <mkzelda> tho 00n00b picked a fight with me when i was under another name
01:07 <anjori> i dont think i've ever even heard of that clan
01:07 <mkzelda> they have degree symbols in front of their name
01:07 <mkzelda> two of them
01:07 <mkzelda> 00n00b, 00rain, etc
01:07 <spidey> mkzelda!
01:07 <mkzelda> i dont think rain is knojf cause i played knojf today
01:08 <mkzelda> and he was decent but made mistakes rain doesnt usually make
01:08 <mkzelda> spidey!
01:08 <spidey> you use bnc don't you?
01:08 <mkzelda> yes and no
01:08 <spidey> O_o
01:08 <mkzelda> currently not using it, using psybnc
01:09 <spidey> i can't seem to get this configured
01:09 <spidey> :(
01:09 <mkzelda> psybnc has a detachable shell funtionality, encryption, private ircd, etc built in
01:09 <mkzelda> hard as crap to find though b/c its made by / used for sceners
01:10 <mkzelda> and pretty much no documentation
01:10 <spidey> 2) Install psyBNC-2.3.2-4
01:10 <spidey> already got it
01:10 <mkzelda> good
01:10 <spidey> just can't get it configured
01:10 <mkzelda> whats goin wrong?
01:11 <spidey> also got bnc-2.8.6 and ezbounce-1.04a
01:11 <mkzelda> yea ive used both of those too, but its been a while
01:11 <spidey> i get a socket error
01:11 <mkzelda> cant bind to socket?
01:12 <spidey> ya
01:12 <mkzelda> on startup or when you try to connect to server?
01:12 <spidey> startup
01:12 <mkzelda> using port 31337?
01:12 <spidey> haha
01:12 <spidey> no.6697
01:12 <mkzelda> thats default
01:12 <spidey> no,it asks for a listening port
01:13 <mkzelda> yea, and 31337 is what it suggests as default
01:13 <mkzelda> some ircds even open that port
01:13 <mkzelda> have you tried another port?
01:14 <anjori> ugh. why is my addition not being indented on the talk page?
01:14 <mkzelda> is this on your webhost/game server?
01:14 <anjori> i copied the formatting of everyone else's comments
01:14 <spidey> Cannot create listening port .. aborting
01:14 <spidey> and no,it's on another shell
01:14 <spidey> i could probably do it on my webserver
01:14 <spidey> lol
01:14 <mkzelda> heavily used?
01:14 <spidey> mmm
01:15 <mkzelda> im saying, port might be in use, you might permissions to only a certain range, or the server has sockets all tied up
01:15 <spidey> wow
01:15 <spidey> O_o
01:15 <mkzelda> netstat -a
01:15 <spidey> ya
01:15 <spidey> just did it
01:15 <spidey> lol
01:15 <mkzelda> grep "6697"
01:16 <spidey> heh
01:16 <spidey> that's a huge list
01:16 <mkzelda> or if the port is registered, you'll have to grep whatever they've tagged it
01:16 <mkzelda> its not an IANA registered #
01:17 <mkzelda> so it should show up on grep if its used, unless they've physically tagged that port
01:17 <mkzelda> on that server
01:17 <spidey> i'ma try a insanely high number
01:18 <spidey> Listening on: 0.0.0.0 port 65000
01:18 <spidey> Listening on: * port 65000
01:18 <spidey> psyBNC2.3.2-4-cBtITLdDMSNpE started (PID 86857)
01:18 <spidey> ahah
01:18 <spidey> port 65000
01:18 <anjori> Vanhayes: add yourself to the team :P
01:19 <Vanhayes> did, sorta
01:19 <spidey> -psyBNC> Welcome spidey !
01:19 <spidey> <-psyBNC> You are the first to connect to this new proxy server.
01:19 <spidey> <-psyBNC> You are the proxy-admin. Use ADDSERVER to add a server so the bouncer may connect
01:19 <spidey> woot
01:19 <anjori> ah, didnt see that when i last refreshed
01:19 <anjori> okay
01:19 <anjori> i also added a comment to the talk page
01:21 <spidey> oops
01:21 <spidey> [spidey@venture ~/]$ sudo su - root
01:21 <spidey> Password:
01:21 <spidey> spidey is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
01:21 <spidey> meh
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01:25 <_spidey> mm
01:25 <mkzelda> spidey
01:25 <mkzelda> ill let u know about 2 probs you'll prolly get w/ psybnc
01:25 <mkzelda> one, did u move the salt.h file?
01:27 <mkzelda> if you ever edit any more options you have to move that back or retype your passwords
01:27 <madmax|pt> ok, who killed bugfarm fortress?f
01:27 <mkzelda> b/c they will show up encrypted
01:27 <madmax|pt> tell me nooow
01:27 <madmax|pt> lol
01:27 <Vanhayes> heh
01:27 <Vanhayes> not me
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01:27 <mkzelda> something tells me he didnt read any of that
01:27 <madmax|pt> what do you think of Zop's conspiracy theory van?
01:27 <Vanhayes> um bugfarm came back
01:28 <Vanhayes> that was very weird
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01:28 <Vanhayes> im not quite sure what his theory is madmax|pt
01:28 <spidey_> mm
01:28 <spidey_> my vhost didn't change
01:28 <spidey_> O_o
01:29 <madmax|pt> heh, he was saying that "good players" knew how to provoke lag and were using it
01:29 <Vanhayes> I think he thought that using the gap caused lagg
01:29 <madmax|pt> no
01:29 <Vanhayes> which isnt right
01:30 <Vanhayes> what was the tail end bug btw?
01:30 <Vanhayes> i never got an answer
01:30 <madmax|pt> dunno
01:31 <madmax|pt> what i know is that yesterday i was using the "tail attack" forward, i mean, a larger one
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01:31 <madmax|pt> and it "stopped" then boom the defender goes
01:31 <madmax|pt> more like a big tail protection
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01:32 <spidey> grrr
01:32 <spidey> BVHOST won't change the vhost :(
01:32 <madmax|pt> r u going to ping timeout van?
01:32 <madmax|pt> lol
01:33 <mkzelda> spidey: once you change it you have to reconnect
01:33 <spidey> ?
01:33 <spidey> i did
01:33 <spidey> O_o
01:33 <mkzelda> oh
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01:34 <Vanhayes> lol
01:34 <madmax|pt> lol
01:34 <spidey> 'er
01:34 <spidey> woo
01:34 <Vanhayes> was playing
01:34 <spidey> i didn't get a pm from psybnc this time
01:35 <spidey_> ADDSERV
01:35 <spidey_> mm
01:35 <spidey> hey mkzelda
01:35 <mkzelda> spidey: the multiple server functionality exposes a lot of bugs in clients
01:35 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: the tail attack causes what some people think is lagg, but now that it has changed it might actually screw shit up
01:35 <mkzelda> if u addnetwork
01:36 <spidey> it connects straight to freenode
01:36 <spidey> O_o
01:36 <mkzelda> yea, do u use any other networks?
01:36 <madmax|pt> doesnt it depend on the client too?
01:36 <spidey> ya
01:36 <spidey> a few
01:36 <mkzelda> you can /addnetwork blah
01:36 <mkzelda> and then /addserver blah~efnet.org
01:37 <Vanhayes> what u see depends on the client what actually happens is always the same
01:37 <Vanhayes> as far as I know anyway
01:37 <spidey_> ok
01:37 <spidey_> got it
01:37 <spidey_> now how i connect to it O_o
01:37 <mkzelda> Vanhayes, about 99% of the time
01:37 <Vanhayes> ya, but that 1% can be a bitch
01:37 <mkzelda> i think there are the rare occurrences where the client believes you crashed but the server wouldnt have
01:38 <mkzelda> i guess that'd still be what you said
01:38 <Vanhayes> ya, lately ive been seeing that I have lots of rubber left but i die anyway
01:38 <mkzelda> yea thats common all over lately
01:38 <mkzelda> mbc is real bad about that
01:38 <mkzelda> 50 rubber, you'll die after you use 2
01:38 <mkzelda> they just keep adding more rubber
01:39 <mkzelda> as if that will fix it
01:39 <Vanhayes> heh
01:40 <Vanhayes> it wouldnt bother me so much but when I die it even shows I have tons of rubber left
01:40 <spidey_> m
01:40 <spidey_> hey mkzelda
01:41 <spidey_> how i disconnect from a server
01:41 <mkzelda> hey spidey
01:41 <mkzelda> /bquit
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01:42 <spidey> mmm
01:42 <spidey> now how do i connect to a server O_o
01:42 <spidey> better,how do i display the help list
01:42 <spidey> it won't come back :(
01:42 <spidey> nvm,got it ;D
01:43 <mkzelda> /bhelp is your friend
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01:43 <mkzelda> there you go
01:43 <spidey_> weee
01:43 <mkzelda> vhost worked
01:43 <spidey> i like these vhosts
01:45 <mkzelda> spidey, I've not been able to successfully join efnet w/ psybnc anymore
01:45 <mkzelda> so if u use efnet, be careful b4 u get the ip klined
01:45 <mkzelda> i've done it a couple times
01:45 <mkzelda> heh
01:46 <mkzelda> spidey, you can join internal channels
01:46 <mkzelda> you can make channels on your psybnc that other users on your psybnc can join
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01:47 <spidey> :D
01:48 <spidey> now even if i disconnect this stays in the room?
01:48 <mkzelda> yes, if you set it up right
01:48 <spidey> lets try
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01:48 <mkzelda> haha
01:49 <mkzelda> im in here on several computers
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01:49 <spidey> mm
01:49 <spidey> did my name leave?
01:49 <mkzelda> yes
01:49 <spidey> :/
01:49 <mkzelda> you parted tho
01:49 <mkzelda> i didnt see if you left the server altogether
01:49 <mkzelda> didnt think to check
01:49 <spidey> mmm
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01:51 <mkzelda> type /leavequit 0
01:51 <spidey> k
01:51 <spidey> now lets try
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01:52 <spidey> did i leave ?
01:52 <mkzelda> you stayed
01:52 <spidey> ;D
01:52 <spidey> mm
01:53 <spidey> i still got 2 more bg processes for this shell
01:53 <spidey> oh
01:53 <spidey> you want a list of vhosts you can use?
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01:54 <_mkzelda> need to change ident...
01:54 <spidey> heh
01:54 <_mkzelda> the glory of this is it doesnt charge bg processes other than the initial one
01:55 <spidey> mm
01:56 <mkzelda> i guess i have to have your ident dont it
01:56 <spidey> whoa
01:57 <mkzelda> you know we can link our psybncs
01:57 <mkzelda> like ircds link
01:57 -!- _madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-199-100.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
01:57 <spidey> cool
01:57 <spidey> wtf
01:57 <spidey> O_o
01:57 <spidey> <newnet~mkzelda> you know we can link our psybncs
01:57 <spidey> <newnet~mkzelda> like ircds link
01:57 <spidey> * newnet~_madmax|pt (n=madmax@bl4-199-100.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #newnet~#armagetron
01:57 <spidey> <spidey> cool
01:57 <spidey> <spidey> wtf
01:57 <spidey> <spidey> O_o
01:57 <spidey> am i still in @armagetron?
01:58 <madmax|pt> lol
01:58 * spidey is confused O_o
01:58 <mkzelda> yea
01:58 <spidey> You have been kicked from #armagetron by irc.psychoid.net (Switching Network)
01:58 <spidey> lol
01:58 <mkzelda> you have a primary server that doesnt have the BLAH~ prefix
01:59 <mkzelda> all the rest have that prefix
01:59 <mkzelda> thats what i was saying sometimes exposes bugs in clients
01:59 <spidey> ok,how i get back on freenode ;D
02:00 <mkzelda> you are
02:00 <spidey> O_o
02:00 <mkzelda> you're talking to me in armagetron on freenode
02:00 <spidey> well,ya
02:00 <spidey> how i get the userlist
02:00 <spidey> heh
02:00 <spidey> i only see max
02:00 <spidey> O_o
02:00 <mkzelda> what client?
02:00 <spidey> xchat
02:01 <mkzelda> /names #armagetron
02:01 <mkzelda> or
02:01 <mkzelda> /names #newnet~#armagetron
02:01 <spidey> ah
02:01 <mkzelda> thats one of the bugs that comes w/ using the ~ list
02:01 <spidey> can i remove the newnet~
02:01 <mkzelda> i dont use anything other than one server on a psybnc for that reason
02:01 <mkzelda> yes, /delnetwork newnet
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02:01 <mkzelda> and /addserver irc.freenode.net
02:01 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-199-100.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
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02:06 <spidey> mm
02:06 <spidey> i think i broke it
02:06 <mkzelda> heh
02:06 <spidey> ;D
02:06 <mkzelda> im still on
02:06 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 00:07:06 :User spidey () trying irc.freenode.org port 6667 ().
02:06 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 00:07:06 :User spidey got disconnected from server.
02:07 <mkzelda> do a /listservers
02:07 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Server #1: irc.freenode.org port 6667
02:07 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Server #2: irc.freenode.org port 6667
02:07 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Server #3: irc.freenode.org port 6667
02:07 <spidey> <-psyBNC> End of Servers
02:07 <mkzelda> hah, u can delete 2 of those
02:07 <mkzelda> not that it matters but
02:08 <spidey> mmm
02:08 -!- _mkzelda [i=spidey@your.gf.gave.me.the.stinkfinger.org] has quit [Client Quit]
02:08 <spidey> maybe they k-lined it?
02:08 <mkzelda> nope
02:08 <mkzelda> im on
02:08 <mkzelda> just quit
02:08 <mkzelda> so u could get on
02:09 <mkzelda> in case thats the prob
02:09 <spidey> still disconnects me
02:09 <spidey> it's not i do multiple connects from my home connection
02:09 <mkzelda> well do a /bquit
02:09 <mkzelda> just till u figure out whats wrong
02:09 <mkzelda> irc.freenode.net instead?
02:10 <mkzelda> does .org/.net matter?
02:10 <spidey> dunno
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02:12 <_spidey> haha
02:12 <_spidey> they klined that vhost
02:12 <mkzelda> hehe
02:12 <_spidey> :(
02:12 <mkzelda> oh you prolly had both your regular net and newnet connecting to it
02:12 <spidey> mmm
02:12 <mkzelda> you'll be fine in 72hrs or so
02:12 <spidey> k
02:12 <mkzelda> did you /delnetwork?
02:13 <spidey> ya
02:13 <mkzelda> yea, as i suggested before, i dont recommend using the multiple network feature
02:13 <mkzelda> you have to /names #net~#channel all the time
02:13 <spidey> mm
02:14 <spidey> maybe i'll make a user for each network
02:14 <spidey> O_o
02:14 <mkzelda> you could do that
02:14 <spidey> you got a list of possible vhosts?
02:14 <mkzelda> i used to write a lot of mirc scripts, that #net~#channel crap got real annoying
02:14 <mkzelda> nope, i could use it
02:15 <mkzelda> you know you can get your bnc to dl dccs for you
02:15 <mkzelda> and then u can retrieve them later
02:15 <spidey> ya,but i only got 90mb space
02:15 <spidey> meh
02:15 <mkzelda> no xdcc's for you :D
02:15 <spidey> i could throw this on my webserver
02:15 <spidey> O_o
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02:17 <spidey> xUP 72.20.20.126 need.money.for.lun.c
02:17 <spidey> lol
02:18 <mkzelda> btw there is a 2.3.2-7
02:19 <mkzelda> brb, bitches wanna go out
02:19 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/vhosts
02:23 <mkzelda> does UP mean working or does it mean IN USE?
02:24 <spidey> working
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02:26 <spidey> Bulk (4792)
02:26 <spidey> Inbox (243)
02:26 <spidey> omfg
02:27 <spidey> 5k emails
02:27 * spidey sighs
02:27 <_mkzelda> its ignoring my username
02:27 <_mkzelda> oh well
02:27 <spidey> mm
02:27 <spidey> hold on
02:28 <spidey> mm
02:28 -!- _mkzelda [i=spidey@my.girl.has.pee.ms] has quit [Client Quit]
02:28 <spidey> i'ma delete and try to add you with a different ident
02:29 <spidey> disconnect
02:29 <spidey> :p
02:30 <mkzelda> this server is located where?
02:30 <spidey> not sure O_o
02:30 <mkzelda> US?
02:30 <spidey> psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 00:30:49 :connect from cpe-071-070-204-248.nc.res.rr.com
02:30 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 00:30:49 :Failed Authentification for mkzelda from host cpe-071-070-204-248.nc.res.rr.com
02:30 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 00:30:49 :Lost Connection from cpe-071-070-204-248.nc.res.rr.com (mkzelda)
02:30 <spidey> yes
02:30 <spidey> disconnect so i can readd it :p
02:31 <mkzelda> yea i did
02:31 <spidey> client's still trying to reconnect O_o
02:31 <mkzelda> no, its closed
02:32 <spidey> wouldn't let me readd mkzelda
02:32 <spidey> :/
02:33 <mkzelda> k
02:33 <mkzelda> the salt.h file still in the psybnc dir?
02:33 <spidey> mm
02:33 <spidey> there's not a solat.h
02:34 <spidey> change your name to dook
02:34 <spidey> on the psybnc
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02:34 <spidey> :)
02:36 <spidey> mm
02:38 -!- spidey is now known as Abyss
02:38 <Abyss> oops
02:38 <Abyss> O_o
02:38 -!- Abyss is now known as spidey
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02:40 <spidey> ok
02:40 <spidey> O_o
02:43 <luke-jr_> spidey: wtf? fraud?
02:43 <spidey> ya
02:43 <spidey> they said i was commiting fruad
02:43 <luke-jr_> how?
02:44 <spidey> cause i used my real name
02:44 <luke-jr_> wtf?
02:44 <spidey> and on the paypal account it has my grandmas
02:44 <luke-jr_> oh
02:44 <luke-jr_> dunno
02:44 <spidey> and they said it was suspicious when i female signs up for a shell
02:44 <spidey> haha
02:44 <luke-jr_> I know with credit cards, it's fraud to use someone else's card even with permission
02:45 <spidey> mm
02:45 <mkzelda> i got stranded with no money, b/c the bank's theft protection deactivated my card w/o telling me
02:45 <spidey> heh
02:45 <mkzelda> b/c i bought something it considered questionable
02:45 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: call and complain =p
02:45 <mkzelda> its been a while
02:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM
02:47 <spidey> it won't work dook
02:47 <spidey> i'll have to change my client ident for each connection
02:48 <luke-jr_> wtf?
02:50 <mkzelda> ident is going to be your username on the shell
02:51 <mkzelda> unless they run a special ident server where it will randomize or other features
02:55 <spidey> i mean
02:55 <spidey> the client side ident
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03:19 <spidey> i like this thing
03:20 <luke-jr_> ...
03:20 <spidey> (i=spidey@BABY.YOU.WANT.SOME.SEX0R.org)
03:20 <luke-jr_> ....
03:20 <spidey> it's bnc
03:20 <luke-jr_> ident can change the domain?
03:20 <spidey> vhosts pwn ;x
03:20 <luke-jr_> wtf
03:20 <spidey> no
03:20 <spidey> it can't
03:21 <spidey> it's vhosts from the shell i got
03:21 <luke-jr_> why'd u get a shell?
03:21 <spidey> cause
03:21 <spidey> :p
03:25 <luke-jr_> so should I provide just 0.2.8 and 0.3?
03:25 <spidey> mm
03:25 <spidey> ya
03:25 <luke-jr_> maybe put older versions on request or something
03:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 3.73/72
03:26 <armabot> 3.73 / 72 = 0.0518055556
03:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: BTW, don't do anything on lightfoot other than what I allow/say is ok, k? =p
03:26 <mkzelda> arma servers are fairly low on cpu usage right?
03:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: there are terms I need to work within
03:27 <mkzelda> i know when i ran octafourtress on my 800mhz it never went above 10% cpu
03:27 * spidey rm -tf /
03:27 <luke-jr_> tf?
03:27 <spidey> f!
03:27 <luke-jr_> t?
03:27 <Vanhayes> w
03:28 <mkzelda> hack the planet!
03:28 <mkzelda> nuke the whales
03:28 <spidey> rm -fr /
03:28 <luke-jr_> anyone want to buy AA server hosting? =p
03:28 <spidey> my bad
03:28 <spidey> ;d
03:28 <luke-jr_> luke-jr@tsurukikun xchatlogs $ rm -rf /
03:28 <luke-jr_> rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/'
03:28 <luke-jr_> rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
03:28 <spidey> lol
03:29 <spidey> ok
03:29 <spidey> so
03:29 <spidey> rm -ifr /
03:29 <luke-jr_> -i makes it prompt =p
03:29 <spidey> O_o
03:29 <luke-jr_> there is no abbreviation for --no-preserve-root
03:30 <spidey> rm -d /
03:30 <spidey> ;p
03:30 <mkzelda> -dsf = -double-secret-force
03:30 <spidey> brb
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03:32 <mkzelda> too bad you cant buy a voodoo globe so that you could make the earth spin real fast and freak everybody out
03:37 <mkzelda> my dogs are funny, certain boundaries like doors stop them
03:37 <mkzelda> i dont have to lock their crate
03:37 <mkzelda> just shut the door
03:37 <mkzelda> they could push it open but they wont
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03:38 <spidey> yup
03:38 <spidey> i broke it ;D
03:39 <spidey> mkzelda,
03:40 <mkzelda> spidey,
03:40 <spidey> how i kill the psybnc process?
03:40 <spidey> it changed my password without me telling it to :(
03:41 <mkzelda> i warned you about that
03:41 <mkzelda> its the salt.h file
03:41 <spidey> where's that at?
03:41 <mkzelda> in your shell
03:41 <mkzelda> type ps x
03:41 <mkzelda> look for your ./psybnc
03:41 <mkzelda> kill that PID
03:42 <spidey> still there
03:42 <spidey> O_o
03:42 <mkzelda> kill -9 PID#
03:42 <mkzelda> it reHUP's on kill
03:42 <luke-jr_> ?
03:42 <luke-jr_> on kill -9?
03:42 <mkzelda> no
03:42 <spidey> ok there it goes
03:42 <spidey> now to generate a new hash
03:43 <spidey> ohh
03:43 <mkzelda> spidey, every time u use the 'gui' to edit something
03:43 <spidey> this one doesn't have that
03:43 <mkzelda> after its running
03:43 <spidey> i use nano
03:43 <mkzelda> it will screw your password
03:43 <mkzelda> for almost everything u can edit it w/in the running shell
03:43 <mkzelda> so try to convert to that, avoid the other method
03:43 <mkzelda> or you'll deal w/ this password issue a lot
03:44 <mkzelda> thats the #1 bug i deal w/, not sure of the exact technique
03:44 <mkzelda> the other bug is that it will sometimes stop accepting connections properly, and it requires a restart
03:44 <mkzelda> your client can buffer overload or something
03:44 <mkzelda> i mean, the client can cause the psybnc to
03:44 <mkzelda> only on connect it seems
03:45 <spidey> ok
03:45 <mkzelda> i had a client that would login/ nickserv login/ join a ~20 channels and perform some bot logins etc
03:45 <spidey> should i install bnc
03:45 <spidey> or psybnc
03:45 <mkzelda> i had to add some delays in
03:45 <mkzelda> i still prefer psybnc, knowing its quirks
03:45 <mkzelda> bnc is a lot simpler/easier but lacking some features
03:45 <spidey> what about exbounce
03:46 <spidey> what about ezbounce
03:46 <mkzelda> i havent used ezbounce or bnc in a long time, ezbounce is fairly popular
03:46 <mkzelda> lotsa docs
03:46 <mkzelda> ill just say that im running psybnc atm
03:46 <mkzelda> i prefer it
03:46 <mkzelda> there is an extra layer of interactivity
03:48 <mkzelda> i like the idea that i can add you as an admin and you can login and maintain it for me w/o shell ax
03:48 <mkzelda> i like that it keeps you online when you're off
03:48 <mkzelda> saves your messages
03:48 <mkzelda> catches dccs
03:48 <mkzelda> i like the private network
03:49 <mkzelda> i pretty much like everything it does, and i've tracked those 2 'bugs' down to a point that they're avoidable and i've come to know them
03:52 <spidey> Tue Jul 18 01:52:17 :User Abyss declared User mkzelda to admin
03:52 <spidey> so if i fuckup you can change my password ;D
03:52 <mkzelda> it might fuck up my pass too
03:52 <mkzelda> but thats okay anyways
03:52 <mkzelda> i mean, the admin status
03:52 <spidey> but you'll still be connected :p
03:52 <mkzelda> oh true
03:58 <spidey> can't connect to 2600.net either
03:58 <spidey> :/
03:59 <spidey> mmm
03:59 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 01:59:42 :User spidey () trying irc.freenode.org port 6667 (retarted.littleidiot.de).
03:59 <spidey> <-psyBNC> Tue Jul 18 01:59:52 :User spidey got disconnected from server.
03:59 <spidey> ok,what'd i break
03:59 <spidey> O_o
04:00 <spidey> ahhhh
04:00 <spidey> 2of them
04:00 <spidey> bah
04:01 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/
04:02 <spidey> lmao,wtf
04:02 <mkzelda> haha failed auth for you spidey
04:02 <spidey> you saw that!?!?!
04:03 <spidey> sdkfhskjdhkjhg
04:03 <mkzelda> yea
04:03 <spidey> reset my pass,lol
04:03 <mkzelda> k
04:03 <spidey> i must have been connected to the process i terminated
04:03 <spidey> lol
04:03 <mkzelda> its changeme
04:04 <spidey> pm it
04:04 <mkzelda> haha
04:04 <mkzelda> too late
04:04 <spidey> ?
04:04 <mkzelda> its changeme
04:04 <spidey> huh? O_o
04:04 <mkzelda> not that anyone knows the server/port/username has your hostname
04:04 <spidey> oh
04:04 <mkzelda> your password is now changeme
04:04 <mkzelda> i figure you'll do that
04:04 <mkzelda> haha
04:04 <spidey> er
04:04 <mkzelda> you still not working?
04:05 <spidey> :(
04:05 <spidey> uadmin spidey
04:05 <spidey> deluser spidey
04:05 <mkzelda> user spidey not found
04:05 <mkzelda> hah
04:06 <spidey> ahah
04:06 <spidey> try
04:06 <spidey> Abyss
04:06 <spidey> password Abyss:changem
04:06 <mkzelda> nope
04:06 <spidey> ahah
04:06 <mkzelda> its spidey anyways
04:06 <spidey> add me ;>
04:06 <mkzelda> i did a bwho b4
04:07 <anjori> spidey: can i get your name list?
04:07 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey.txt
04:07 <anjori> i suck at coming up with names for anything, but i'm trying. maybe that'll give me some ideas
04:07 <anjori> thanks.
04:07 <spidey> np
04:08 <luke-jr_> Is Svn broken?
04:08 <mkzelda> howso?
04:09 <mkzelda> i just tried it, it says "At revision 5746"
04:09 <spidey> mkzelda, did you add me? lol
04:09 <mkzelda> yes
04:09 <mkzelda> i also pmd you the pass
04:09 <spidey> haha
04:09 <mkzelda> failed auth still?
04:09 <mkzelda> there u go
04:09 <spidey> got it
04:09 * luke-jr_ stabs Svn
04:10 <spidey> put a space on accifent
04:10 <luke-jr_> the jerks required me to change my password :(
04:10 <mkzelda> just change it back to what u want
04:10 <mkzelda> change it 5 times and then change it back
04:10 <mkzelda> if it has 'remember 5 passwords'
04:10 <spidey> ?O_o
04:11 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: my old password is no longer allowed
04:11 <mkzelda> b/c?
04:11 <mkzelda> strength requirements?
04:11 <luke-jr_> which made it all the more secure, since nobody would try to guess it
04:11 <luke-jr_> b/c it's "test"
04:11 <mkzelda> haha
04:12 <luke-jr_> passwords now must be 6 characters
04:12 <mkzelda> testies?
04:12 <luke-jr_> spidey: you have armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8 installed now
04:12 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: =p
04:12 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: no, testflyaway
04:12 <luke-jr_> erm
04:12 * luke-jr_ changes O.o
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04:13 <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> anyhow
04:14 <luke-jr_> I have an AA admin interface to write
04:15 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: wanna buy AA server hosting? =p
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04:16 <mkzelda> how much/for what?
04:16 <Abyss> bah
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04:16 <spidey> finally!
04:17 <luke-jr_> 58-154 *in game* pings
04:17 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: prices at http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/
04:18 <luke-jr_> wtf is .pk
04:18 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: I don't have estimates for site hosting pricing yet
04:18 <mkzelda> pakistan
04:19 <luke-jr_> lol
04:19 <[NP]Tangent> heh
04:19 <[NP]Tangent> I could host an AA server
04:19 <[NP]Tangent> I might consider doing so, in fact
04:19 <[NP]Tangent> I just need to figure my rubber business out
04:20 <luke-jr_> [NP]Tangent: I'm offering low latency/ping hosting :)
04:20 <luke-jr_> on a dedicated server
04:20 <luke-jr_> well, dedicated in the sense that it's purpose is to host AA servers
04:20 <[NP]Tangent> I have a server in Aus I can set it up on
04:20 <[NP]Tangent> I run a bzflag server on it, as well
04:21 <luke-jr_> that'd be *high* ping =p
04:21 <[NP]Tangent> I'll ping you
04:21 <[NP]Tangent> :P
04:21 <spidey> you play bzflag!?
04:21 <spidey> teach me!!! ;D
04:21 <[NP]Tangent> yes I play bzflag
04:21 <[NP]Tangent> you probably shouldn't learn from me though
04:21 <[NP]Tangent> I suck at killing
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> my only strength is avoiding bullets while capping another team's flag
04:22 <spidey> i get killed by bots i think that they're bots
04:22 <mkzelda> yea im terrible at bzflag
04:22 <spidey> they go back and forth then shoot me
04:22 <spidey> :<
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> in a pure game, no superflags, just team flags to capture... I am the best
04:22 <spidey> you gotta server?
04:22 <spidey> wanna play? :D
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> yeah
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> one sec
04:22 <spidey> server?
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> gotta run to the restroom, my stomach's bothering me
04:22 <spidey> i gotta fix some things
04:22 <spidey> i only see 2/3 of the screen
04:22 <spidey> lol
04:22 <[NP]Tangent> nullbzflag.gotdns.com port 5154
04:23 <[NP]Tangent> brb
04:28 <[NP]Tangent> alright
04:28 <[NP]Tangent> I'm getting on now
04:28 <[NP]Tangent> :>
04:28 <spidey> doesn't connect
04:29 <[NP]Tangent> try again
04:29 <[NP]Tangent> it works
04:44 * anjori was horrible at bzflag the last time he tried it
04:46 <mkzelda> i had a busted client that couldnt shoot anyone
04:47 <mkzelda> ppl would stop moving so i could try to hit them
04:49 <spidey> what;s time expired mean?
04:49 <spidey> tangent?
04:59 <[NP]Tangent> spidey, time expired means the time limit was reached
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> what information should a player put into a form that he's uploading a recording to?
05:03 <anjori> depends what purpose the recording servers, i suppose
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05:04 <anjori> *serves
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> ingame recording, this is for armagetron's recordings
05:04 <anjori> well, yes, i gathered that much :)
05:04 <anjori> but bug reports, demos, ...
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, the page is supposed to just be a repository where people can upload recordings anonymously and then give a link
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05:05 <Lucifer_arma> so they don't have to register on the forums to give us a recording, and so they can upload large recordings.
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to just make it a generic repository with player name and comments and the file and that's it
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> if anybody wants more than that, they can get the code from svn and extend it :)
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something terribly important in the process is all
05:07 <anjori> yeah, i can't think of much that would really be needed. maybe just date, game type/server, description
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05:14 <spidey> O_o it connected to the wrong server
05:15 <anjori> granted, i know nothing of bnc, but couldnt you just install it on your own box and save the money?
05:15 <spidey> ...
05:16 <anjori> didn't you pay for a shell to use it?
05:16 <spidey> i payed for a shell,that came with bnc,but not for bnc
05:16 <anjori> i see.
05:17 <spidey> besides, only $5
05:17 <spidey> well
05:17 <spidey> $2 for the first month O_o
05:17 <anjori> i've got two boxes with shell access. doesn't cost me anything :)
05:17 <spidey> do you got 2 boxes on 100mbit connections??
05:17 <spidey> didn't think so :)
05:17 <anjori> heh. i suppose not.
05:18 <spidey> i wanna find someone doing shell hosting that has 1gbit connections
05:26 <spidey> [spidey@venture ~/]$ uptime
05:26 <spidey> 3:26AM up 573 days, 3:17, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.03, 0.04
05:26 <spidey> O_o
05:28 <Vanhayes> what is that uptime for?
05:28 <spidey> the shellserver
05:28 <Vanhayes> thats the time there?
05:28 <spidey> 11:30
05:29 <Vanhayes> why does it say 3:26?
05:29 <spidey> maybe because it's on the west coast?
05:29 <anjori> west coast? it's aint 3:26 here
05:29 <Vanhayes> that would set it back not ahead
05:29 <anjori> that, too
05:30 <Vanhayes> 3:26 am is in europe
05:30 <Vanhayes> GMT i guess
05:30 <spidey> ok,it's in europe then :)
05:30 <Vanhayes> maybe its just using GMT time
06:00 <spidey> mmm
06:01 * spidey is trying to figure out how to get a file from his windows box to this one
06:10 <[NP]Tangent> floppy disk
06:10 <[NP]Tangent> or in your case
06:10 <[NP]Tangent> floppy dick
06:10 <[NP]Tangent> :D
06:15 <spidey> you know all about dicks don't you
06:16 <spidey> er
06:16 <anjori> dicks are for my friends, when they come to my house
06:17 <spidey> and [NP]Tangent is your friend
06:17 <anjori> nah, it's an MSI song :P
06:18 <[NP]Tangent> MSI ftw
06:18 <Vanhayes> #wtf is MSI
06:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: MSI: nothing appropriate
06:18 <Vanhayes> meh woth a try
06:18 <Vanhayes> worth*
06:18 <anjori> Mindless Self Indulgence
06:19 <spidey> root@fbi.gov[~]# /etc/init.d/ssh start
06:19 <spidey> * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server... [fail]
06:19 <anjori> their genre has been described as something along the lines of "industrial jungle pussy punk"
06:20 * spidey hate it
06:20 <spidey> >.>
06:20 <spidey> argh!
06:20 <spidey> anjori
06:20 <anjori> yessir?
06:20 <spidey> does mepis have more firewalls besides gaurd dog?
06:21 <anjori> gui-based? not by default
06:21 <anjori> but you can install firestarter
06:21 <spidey> i don't want a firewall
06:21 <spidey> fuckin lkdl;kdhfl;kshf
06:21 <anjori> then why did you enable it? :P
06:21 <spidey> i didn't
06:21 <spidey> it was enabled by default
06:22 <anjori> you have the option on install. i never enabled mine
06:22 <spidey> something is blocking ssh from lan
06:24 <spidey> mmm
06:24 * spidey wonders how to send a file via ssh
06:24 <spidey> O-o
06:24 <mkzelda> sftp
06:24 <mkzelda> scp
06:24 <nemostultae> #man scp
06:24 <armabot> nemostultae: scp -- secure copy (remote file copy program)
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06:24 <spidey> that bug is annoying as hell
06:25 <anjori> /etc/init.d/guarddog stop ?
06:25 <anjori> if that's causing the problem
06:26 <spidey> i got that
06:26 * mkzelda is wigged out by the cop that just sat in front of his house a long time
06:26 <mkzelda> he sped off when i went to go ask him what he was doing
06:26 <spidey> now i have to figure out how to use putty to upload
06:26 <spidey> i wanna watch pirates of the carribean 2 but i don't have speakers on the windows box
06:26 <anjori> mkzelda: that's freaky
06:27 <mkzelda> yea thats even weirder than him being there
06:27 <mkzelda> the fact he drove away when he saw me coming
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> heh
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> this would be quote of the night
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> (22:24:51) eiknuJlairtsudnI: any hot girls want to go on a serial killing spree with me? we can skullfuck our victims. :) im me
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> (22:24:55) NyCutie7679: hot and willing ;)
06:28 <anjori> maybe he was just trying to find an access point? :P
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> haha
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> I've done that
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> except not in a car
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> :D
06:28 <[NP]Tangent> I managed to get into a few around my school
06:30 <mkzelda> the apt i just moved out of had 15 unsecured wifi nets i could abuse
06:30 <mkzelda> lots of internets
06:30 <mkzelda> for free
06:31 <mkzelda> hehe
06:31 <mkzelda> i busted a guy stealing my neighbor's wifi at another place i lived
06:31 <mkzelda> kept seeing this ford exploder parked outside the apt complex
06:31 <mkzelda> but w/ 2 guys inside
06:31 <mkzelda> 1 w/ laptop
06:31 <spidey> mmm
06:31 <mkzelda> so i went to my neighbor and asked if i could test a theory
06:31 <spidey> 1,600kb/s
06:32 <spidey> is that good for lan? O_o
06:32 <mkzelda> i'd unplug the eth cable and the exploder started moving forward/backward
06:32 <mkzelda> thats a little better than 10mbit
06:32 <spidey> ;D
06:32 <mkzelda> 1250kb/s is 10mbit
06:32 <mkzelda> i kept unplugging/plugging the cable and watching the guy inch his car up
06:32 <mkzelda> that was funny
06:32 <spidey> well the card in the windows box is 100mbps
06:33 <mkzelda> then i went outside and told him to move on
06:33 <spidey> this box must be using the 10mbps
06:33 <spidey> :(
06:33 <spidey> so
06:33 <mkzelda> it wasnt true 1600kb/s then
06:33 <mkzelda> b/c 10mbit cant go that fast
06:33 <spidey> O_o
06:33 <spidey> coping files failed
06:33 <spidey> how gay
06:33 <mkzelda> its prolly 100mbit but thats as fast as the drive wants to go
06:34 <spidey> Device [/dev/hdb3] on [/home] is getting critically full!
06:34 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
06:36 <spidey> there we go
06:36 <spidey> clean the trash out and it's back to 1.8 gigs
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06:37 <spidey> omg
06:37 <spidey> i'ma kill xchat
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> man, accounting sucks
06:44 <spidey> it being 12:44am sucks
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's 12:44am?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> my clock says its 11:45
06:45 <anjori> nah, it's 9:47am
06:45 <anjori> err, pm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> spidey's in my time zone, isn't he?
06:47 <anjori> i thought he's eastern?
06:47 <spidey> no
06:47 <spidey> i'm central
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that puts him an hour ahead of me
06:47 <spidey> west tennessee,duh
06:47 <anjori> then he can't tell time :)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's 11:47pm in central
06:47 <spidey> no
06:47 <spidey> my clock fucked up again
06:47 <spidey> errr
06:48 <anjori> sure it wasn't a user error?
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I hve good news, spidey! It's not as late as you think it is, you've just gained an entire hour on your day!
06:48 <spidey> haha
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: spidey never fucks up, dontcha know?
06:48 <anjori> oh, right!
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> unless it reads "Lucifer core dumped Spidey for 1 points"
06:48 * anjori is still trying to come up with names
06:49 <spidey> LuciSucks!
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> just put down names you'ae actually used. :)
06:49 * spidey adds that to his list
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> if anjori's it, fine.
06:49 <anjori> nah, i wanna keep a couple for when i don't feel like randomizing
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke while I do this part. I have to balance my accounts now. What a pain
06:49 <anjori> and it would just be creepy seeing another anjori
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok. :) I'm going to add at some point (hopefully soon) an option to identify yourself, and comment out autoexec.cfg and let user.cfg shine through
06:50 <anjori> that would be cool
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, ahem. Spidey and I have given our regular names.... ;)
06:50 <anjori> i know. and i would feel weird having one of them, too
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> :) ok
06:50 <[NP]Tangent> I used to be [Null]Hyper
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
06:51 <spidey> i have more,just can't remember them
06:51 <anjori> well, i'll upload what i have so far
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> [NP]Tangent: you're the same Null Hyper that made a bunch of maps for the crack pipe, right?
06:51 <[NP]Tangent> I made two, yes
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I updated them, they work in 0.2.8 :)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> got 'em hanging around here somewhere....
06:52 <[NP]Tangent> ah, neato
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to do this before we run out of money
06:52 <spidey> yay
06:52 <spidey> time to watch pirates of the carribean2!
06:53 <spidey> wow
06:53 <spidey> awesome quality for a 600mb movie
06:53 <anjori> http://anjori.com/random/anjori.txt
06:54 <spidey> Apllonious
06:54 <spidey> :p
06:54 <anjori> okay, i'll add that
06:54 <spidey> omg
06:54 <spidey> this isn't priates of the carribean!
06:54 <spidey> ban
06:54 <spidey> w/e
06:54 <anjori> where'd you download it from?
06:55 <spidey> it's the blue colloar comedy tour
06:55 <spidey> :(
06:55 <spidey> ares
06:55 <anjori> ares?
06:55 <spidey> that's the first mislabeled movie i've downloaded
06:55 <spidey> ares = p2p client for windows
06:56 <anjori> never heard of it
06:56 <anjori> what network does it use?
06:56 <spidey> gntullia i think
06:56 * anjori doesn't trust anything other than bittorrent for movies
06:57 <spidey> ares is great
06:57 <spidey> this is the first mislabeled movie i've gotten since i started using
06:57 <spidey> about a year and a half
06:58 <spidey> and
06:58 <spidey> bittorrent sucks
06:58 <spidey> i get shitty speeds
06:58 <spidey> even on good torrents i pul maybe 50kb/s
06:58 <spidey> on ares i've never gotten below 200kb/s
06:59 <anjori> perhaps your isp throttles bittorrent traffic?
06:59 <anjori> more and more are doing that -- those bastards.
06:59 <anjori> i had to start using encryption so i could have decent speeds again
07:01 <spidey> mm
07:01 * spidey goes find something to eat
07:10 <spidey> i know this is a bad idea
07:11 <spidey> but i'm hungry :D
07:11 * spidey is eating burritos and has to test tomorrow
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07:23 <spidey> word of advise
07:23 <spidey> don't play with a 600+ ping
07:23 <spidey> ahah
07:30 <[NP]Tangent> dude
07:30 <[NP]Tangent> spidey
07:30 <[NP]Tangent> I owned with a 700 ping once
07:30 <[NP]Tangent> so :P
07:34 <spidey> once
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07:34 <spidey> i didn't do bad
07:34 <spidey> but i didn't do good
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07:37 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
07:47 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/test.php :)
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08:26 <spidey> yay
08:27 * spidey is away watching pirates of the carribean 2
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> accounting sucks
08:32 <mkzelda> wow that server config is so close to the one i was working on, looks nice luke-jr_
08:32 <mkzelda> server config generator
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> on the one hand, it's nice knowing I have more than enough in my checking account to cover every bill I have right now (not counting outstanding debts)
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it took 2 hours to figure it out :(
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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08:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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09:04 <Lucifer_arma> what's openoffice.org math?
09:07 <wrtlprnft> formula thingy?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> what's it for?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> besides formulas. I mean, waht I can use the output files for?
09:09 <wrtlprnft> to put nice sqare root signs into documents?
09:12 <anjori> what's the character limit on armagetron nicks?
09:12 <anjori> apparently i have a couple that are too long
09:12 <wrtlprnft> 15
09:12 <anjori> damn
09:13 <anjori> a few, even
09:13 <anjori> will have to modify my names list
09:16 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: do i have to redo ./namepicker.py -a anjori.txt after modifying, or does it pull from the file itself each time?
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> it pulls from the file each time, no need to redo it
09:16 <anjori> k
09:18 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: it'd be a pain to fully implement
09:19 <anjori> at least i get to keep "SIR CAPSALOCK". horribly corny, but an original :P
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09:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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09:59 <philippeqc> hi
10:02 <philippeqc> darn, I have some bad memory. The code crashes and the location change when I insert small changes in the code
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10:02 <philippeqc> i guess it is some bad memory operation somewhere else in my code
10:03 <philippeqc> do you have some tips about tools that could help me track them down
10:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
10:21 <guru3> vive mass user deletion via the mysql cli
10:21 <spidey> ?
10:22 <guru3> all the spam user registrations
10:22 <guru3> a lot of them come from the same email host
10:22 <guru3> so it's just easier to judge everyone guilty
10:22 <guru3> and delete everyone whose email domain
10:22 <guru3> matches
10:22 <guru3> and leave the phpbb tables slightly broken
10:23 <luke-jr_> ...
10:23 <guru3> vive democracy :)
10:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM me a password to use?
10:23 <philippeqc> that is not democracy, that is a dictaturship
10:23 * philippeqc goes to a online dictionary
10:23 <luke-jr_> lol
10:24 <guru3> potaatoe potahtoe
10:24 <guru3> potaetoe potahtoe
10:24 <guru3> damn typos
10:24 <luke-jr_> patata
10:24 <luke-jr_> =p
10:24 <philippeqc> dictatorship
10:24 <guru3> the difference between el papa and la papa
10:24 <philippeqc> or in french, le papa
10:25 <luke-jr_> deek taters sheip
10:25 <philippeqc> masculine is "le", feminine is "la". Just think of the numbers of feminine names that end with "a"
10:25 <guru3> i have a torrent that will be done in 1300 hours
10:25 <philippeqc> #g 1300 / 24
10:25 <armabot> 1,300 / 24 = 54.1666667
10:26 <philippeqc> hope your ups is on
10:26 <guru3> 1
10:26 <guru3> the machine has 56 days of uptime tho ><
10:27 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: in my code I must have a floating pointer or some bad alloc. Any tip how to track it? any tools to help me?
10:27 <philippeqc> I'm crancked the code from DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELVEL=2 to DEBUGLEVEL=4 CODELVEL=3 and I'm sifting through the gazillions new errors and warnings
10:28 <luke-jr_> [0] Command MAX_CLIENTS unknown.
10:28 <luke-jr_> [0] Command SERVER_IP unknown.
10:28 <luke-jr_> [0] Command SERVER_PORT unknown.
10:28 <luke-jr_> [0] Command MAX_IN_RATE unknown.
10:28 <luke-jr_> [0] Command MAX_OUT_RATE unknown.
10:28 <philippeqc> guru, what are you torrenting?
10:28 <guru3> oh, just stuff...
10:28 <philippeqc> k
10:29 <guru3> but i'm amazed that QoS
10:29 <guru3> keeps the servers playable
10:29 <luke-jr_> hehehe
10:29 <guru3> i'm there, 24 torrents running
10:29 <guru3> and i see like
10:29 <guru3> 11 people on classic ply
10:31 <philippeqc> all the star trek fans, check www.newvoyages.com . they have released at least 2 episodes, and they sure are good
10:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ? Lucifer_arma ?
10:49 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
10:50 <spidey> to find the % of a number it's x*%/100 ?
10:51 <wrtlprnft> ...
10:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 = 100%
10:51 <wrtlprnft> 1* = 1/100
10:51 <wrtlprnft> err
10:51 <wrtlprnft> 1% = 1/100
10:51 <spidey> math, i haven't had this in 2 years
10:51 <wrtlprnft> that's all there is to it
10:51 <spidey> my old school = the sux
10:52 <spidey> ywa
10:52 <spidey> yea,i know how to find the percent of a number over 100
10:52 <spidey> ok
10:53 <spidey> say what's the percent of 1000
10:53 <spidey> 'er
10:53 <spidey> what's 13% of 1000
10:53 <spidey> that's what i ment :p
10:53 <wrtlprnft> well
10:53 <wrtlprnft> see
10:53 <wrtlprnft> of you can translate by times
10:53 <wrtlprnft> replace the % sign by 1/100
10:53 <wrtlprnft> then you get:
10:53 <philippeqc> 13/100 = 13%
10:54 <philippeqc> 99/100 = 99%
10:54 <wrtlprnft> 13*1/100*1000
10:54 <philippeqc> 101/100 ? 101%
10:54 <philippeqc> 1000/100 = 1000%
10:54 * spidey pokes philippeqc
10:54 <philippeqc> grrrrr
10:55 <wrtlprnft> i already gave you the answer...
10:55 <wrtlprnft> 10:54 <wrtlprnft> 13*1/100*1000
10:55 <philippeqc> yep
10:55 <wrtlprnft> everytime you hear the word "of" in math you can replace it my times
10:55 <wrtlprnft> *by times
10:55 <wrtlprnft> and every occurence of % you replace by 1/100 or .01
10:55 <spidey> ya
10:56 <spidey> ok
10:56 <spidey> so 1000*.13 ? O_o
10:56 <wrtlprnft> well
10:56 <philippeqc> yes
10:56 <wrtlprnft> yes
10:57 <wrtlprnft> or, if you wanna do it in your head I'd rather do this:
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 13*(1000/100)
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 13*10
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 130
10:57 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how do you hunt down bad memory management.
10:57 <spidey> ah
10:57 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no clue
10:57 <philippeqc> grrr
10:58 <wrtlprnft> you just hunt for it until you find it
10:58 <wrtlprnft> or use the armagetronad memmanager
10:58 <wrtlprnft> make a recording, then play it back in gdb, it'll stop where the undeleted object was created
10:58 <philippeqc> do you have a clue how to use it beside changing all of my "new" to "tNEW" ?
10:59 <wrtlprnft> you don't even need to do that for basic debugging
10:59 <wrtlprnft> just as i said: make a recording, then play it back in gdb, it'll stop where the undeleted object was created
10:59 <philippeqc> ok, will try that
11:03 <wrtlprnft> oh, you have to have DEBUGLEVEL at 3 of course
11:04 <philippeqc> yes
11:06 <philippeqc> the playback is not interrupted, but crashes at the same location
11:06 <philippeqc> Go (round 1 of 10 )!
11:06 <philippeqc> Internal Error: Internal error in void gPlayerWall::Check() const in ../../src/tron/gWall.cpp:1261 :
11:06 <philippeqc> Assertion endDist_ < netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS failed
11:06 <philippeqc> Please send a Bug report!
11:06 <philippeqc> Breakpoint!
11:06 <philippeqc> [Thread 1082964320 (zombie) exited]
11:06 <philippeqc> Internal Error: Internal error in void gPlayerWall::Check() const in ../../src/tron/gWall.cpp:1261 :
11:06 <philippeqc> Assertion endDist_ < netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS failed
11:06 <philippeqc> Please send a Bug report!
11:06 <philippeqc> Breakpoint!
11:07 <philippeqc> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'int'
11:07 <philippeqc> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
11:07 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:07 <wrtlprnft> no clue without any context
11:08 <philippeqc> major changes to the parser and new zone assistant objects. I had the crashes during the parsing until just now, where I reach game start and it crashes at soon as the cycle start to move
11:08 <wrtlprnft> hmm
11:10 <wrtlprnft> no clue, sorry
11:10 <wrtlprnft> i don't know anything about that part of the engine
11:11 <philippeqc> it is quite strange as it appears with only few of the new object being called.
11:21 <spidey> wrtl! another question :D
11:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah?
11:21 <spidey> % of a fraction
11:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:22 <spidey> erm
11:22 <spidey> 7/8 = %
11:22 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:22 <philippeqc> 7/8 * 100%
11:22 <spidey> O.o
11:23 <philippeqc> spidey, a percentage is a value (7/8) multiplied by 100
11:23 <spidey> ah
11:23 <spidey> nvm
11:24 <spidey> 0012/3
11:24 <spidey> that was ment for that kcalc
11:24 <philippeqc> =4
11:24 <philippeqc> if you want to take out a certain percentage (x) from a whole (y)
11:25 <philippeqc> you have to do (x/100) * y
11:35 <philippeqc> darn, I just thought! I merged with the head of the trunk yesterday evening. MAYBE the problem comes from there (hopes a lot)
11:36 <philippeqc> is there an easy way to have my private branch being updated with the latest from trunk?
11:36 <wrtlprnft> no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> just keep it as your own checkout from the trunk
11:37 <wrtlprnft> if you merge we'll double space useage on svn
11:38 <philippeqc> I moved to a private branch so I could commit my works. I nearly lost everything to a careless "rm -rf *"
11:38 <wrtlprnft> ask luke-jr_ or z-man
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12:26 <madmax|pt> hello
12:29 * spidey slaps madmax|pt
12:29 <spidey> brb
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12:31 * madmax|pt kills spidey
12:31 * spidey slaps madmax|pt again
12:31 * madmax|pt kills spidey again
12:31 * spidey slaps madmax|pt again
12:31 * madmax|pt kills spidey again
12:31 * spidey humps madmax|pt
12:31 <madmax|pt> erm
12:31 <madmax|pt> heh
12:31 <spidey> ;D
12:32 <spidey> i love these vhosts
12:32 <madmax|pt> you're changing every day?
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12:33 <madmax|pt> o_O
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12:33 <madmax|pt> lol
12:33 <spidey> O_
12:33 <spidey> O.o
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12:35 * spidey is inlove with them
12:35 <spidey> mentally.humped.org
12:35 <spidey> lol
12:36 <spidey> mkzelda, ?
12:38 <spidey> i think this book wants me to memorize 20% 550 is 110
12:39 <spidey> :/
12:39 <spidey> they keep giving me that problem in different words every 2 pages
12:48 <madmax|pt> book about what?
13:02 <wrtlprnft> #nikometer Lucifer_arma
13:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
13:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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13:04 <z-man> #nickometer iceman
13:04 <z-man> hey, armabot, do your job!
13:04 <wrtlprnft> he unloaded the plugin
13:04 <z-man> aww
13:04 <z-man> did it really give >100% for iceman?
13:05 <wrtlprnft> dunno
13:05 <wrtlprnft> #last --from iceman
13:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 33406 messages.
13:05 <wrtlprnft> #seen iceman
13:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I have not seen iceman.
13:05 <z-man> aha
13:05 <wrtlprnft> guess not
13:05 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer Lucifer_arma
13:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
13:05 <wrtlprnft> i like that one :)
13:06 <z-man> hehe
13:06 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer z-man
13:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: : The lame nick-o-meter reading for &1 is 0.0%.
13:07 <wrtlprnft> err
13:07 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer z-man
13:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: : The lame nick-o-meter reading for z-man is 0.0%.
13:07 <philippeqc> z-man how do you enable efence for armagetron?
13:07 <z-man> I don't, efence sucks
13:07 <philippeqc> ok
13:08 <philippeqc> what memory verification utility do you use?
13:08 <z-man> it doesn't even get past the initialization stage, clogs up the entire memory
13:08 <z-man> valgrind
13:08 <z-man> just use DEBUGLEVEL=1, and you can use it
13:08 <z-man> valgrind is a virtual machine, that makes things a bit slower, but more memory efficient, and it catches more bugs.
13:09 <wrtlprnft> a bit? that's a big understatement
13:09 <philippeqc> why does tMemManager.h still include efence.h and efencepp.h
13:09 <z-man> The only stupid thing is that it gives lots of false warnings about your graphics driver if you want to run the client in valgrind.
13:09 <z-man> dunno about tMemmanager.h, probably relics from experiments.
13:09 <philippeqc> ok
13:10 <z-man> wrtlprnft: well, it's still faster than efence :)
13:10 <z-man> and it runs fast enough on my machines to actually play a bit.
13:10 <z-man> But I use it with recordings anyway to get reproducible output.
13:12 <philippeqc> ok thanks for the tips
13:46 <philippeqc> if I get the following error, what should I look into ?
13:46 <philippeqc> Internal Error: Internal error in void gPlayerWall::Check() const in ../../src/tron/gWall.cpp:1261 :
13:46 <philippeqc> Assertion endDist_ < netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS failed
13:46 <philippeqc> Please send a Bug report!
13:46 <philippeqc> Breakpoint!
13:46 <philippeqc> [Thread 1082964320 (zombie) exited]
13:47 <philippeqc> ^^^^^ that was for z-man
14:19 <spidey> if this car averages 26miles to the gallon how many miles did the car travel in the year
14:19 <spidey> they're kidding right?
14:19 <spidey> not even a chart for reference
14:28 <philippeqc> chart?
14:28 <philippeqc> you need more data for that problem. I guess they want you to first calculate how much fuel it used, and then convert that into distance
14:29 <philippeqc> z-man, wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma, anybody HA!
14:29 <philippeqc> its not my code that is the prob. there is a bug in trunk
14:29 <wrtlprnft> that's nothing new
14:29 <wrtlprnft> it crashes on exit sometime
14:30 <philippeqc> I configured it with DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2, compiled it, and as soon as the cycle start to move, I get the following crash
14:30 <z-man> philippeqc: I got that error when experimenting with wall prediction, it magically went away when I fixed something
14:31 <philippeqc> Go (round 1 of 10 )!
14:31 <philippeqc> Internal Error: Internal error in void gPlayerWall::Check() const in ../../src/tron/gWall.cpp:1261 :
14:31 <philippeqc> Assertion endDist_ < netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS failed
14:31 <philippeqc> Please send a Bug report!
14:31 <philippeqc> Breakpoint!
14:31 <philippeqc> Internal Error: Internal error in void gPlayerWall::Check() const in ../../src/tron/gWall.cpp:1261 :
14:31 <philippeqc> Assertion endDist_ < netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS failed
14:31 <philippeqc> Please send a Bug report!
14:31 <philippeqc> Breakpoint!
14:31 <philippeqc> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'int'
14:31 <z-man> If you can send over a recording of it (prefereably from current 0.2.8 branch, that's where the change happened), that would help.
14:31 <philippeqc> Aborted
14:31 <z-man> Hmm, never have seen it right on start
14:31 <z-man> only after someone died.
14:32 <philippeqc> 0.2.8 branch, ok, (revision 5755)
14:32 <z-man> Server or client?
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14:32 <philippeqc> client
14:32 <philippeqc> i though it was my zone code for a long time
14:33 <philippeqc> compiling branch 0.2.8
14:33 <wrtlprnft> 624 unread mails... I'm too lazy right now i guess
14:34 <z-man> philippeqc: hmm, doesn't happen that way for me :( I really need a recording
14:36 <philippeqc> you would prefet it on the forum or on pastebin.com?
14:37 <z-man> Wherever I can get it at home
14:37 <z-man> both are fine
14:37 * z-man forgot to bring his changed password to work, duh
14:41 <spidey> bvhost demented.chickenkiller.com
14:41 <spidey> gr
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14:43 <philippeqc> posted on the forum from branch 0.2.8 (not 0.2.8.0)
14:44 <philippeqc> at rev 5755
14:46 <spidey> anyone want a bnc account? ;x
14:46 <philippeqc> bnc? the only bnc I know is Banque Nationale du Canada
14:47 <spidey> it's a irc proxy
14:47 <spidey> how i changed my host name
14:47 <spidey> ./whois spidey
14:47 <spidey> ;x
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14:48 <philippeqc> #whois spidey
14:49 <spidey> doesn't work that way
14:49 <spidey> that's for domains
14:49 <spidey> [spidey] (i=spidey@demented.chickenkiller.com): does whatever a spidey can
14:49 <spidey> * [spidey] #armagetron
14:49 <spidey> i=spidey@demented.chickenkiller.com = host name
14:49 <spidey> there's a wide range of vhosts to
14:49 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/vhost
14:50 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/vhosts
14:51 <spidey> i like it because it saves logs and if you get timed out your name stays in the room
14:51 <spidey> then you just reconnect to the bnc server
14:52 <z-man> philippeqc: nope, still doesn't happen for me :(
14:52 <philippeqc> grrr
14:52 <z-man> you can just disable the assertion until we find out more, it's not terribly important.
14:52 <philippeqc> I get it systematically on 0.2.8 and trunk
14:53 <philippeqc> ok
14:53 <spidey> #night
14:53 <armabot> Good night spidey!
14:54 <philippeqc> good nith
14:54 <philippeqc> night
14:55 <philippeqc> now I got the other assert when I made my cycle turn
15:00 <z-man> Disable it as well for now :)
15:00 <z-man> asserts are for people who don't trust their code, anyway.
15:02 <wrtlprnft> or people who don't trust the one who writes the code that uses a certain function ;)
15:07 <philippeqc> ;)
15:08 <philippeqc> i did disable it. now I get to errors in my own code ;)
15:34 <philippeqc> gone to the gym, see you in a while
15:36 <wrtlprnft> cya
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17:29 <mkzelda> lol
17:29 <mkzelda> just tried speeders fortress
17:29 <mkzelda> pretty stupid
17:29 <mkzelda> you can get out of anything if you really wanna camp it out
17:29 <mkzelda> 20 rubber
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17:37 <madmax|pt> tough thing is def
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18:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc__: just keep track of your last trunk merge rev and use svn merge
18:35 <philippeqc__> thanks
18:36 <philippeqc__> the error was in trunk while i thought it was in my own code. With z-man help, I commented out the assert. So I should be clear to keep on hacking my bit.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> so, does anyone know why CIA doesn't work?
19:15 <nemostultae> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Making_Maps_by_Hand --> Database error
19:24 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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20:05 <philippeqc__> /away
20:06 * spidey yawns
20:06 <philippeqc__> how can I do a backtrace with all variables?
20:07 <philippeqc__> nemo: I REALLY wish there is a backup somewhere... 51K long text
20:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it does
20:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: armabot doesn't
20:22 <philippeqc__> luke-jr_: do you know in gdb how to display all the variables?
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20:24 <spidey> sup lack
20:24 <luke-jr_> philippeqc__: no idea, I use insight
20:25 <philippeqc__> ok
20:25 <philippeqc__> I'll post on the forum
20:25 <philippeqc__> insight?
20:26 <philippeqc__> well that is one crappy term to google on
20:27 <philippeqc__> it seem to be some sort of front on gdb
20:27 <philippeqc__> good to know
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20:31 <z-man> Argh
20:31 <philippeqc__> ?
20:31 <z-man> got myself spamkicked from my own server again :)
20:31 <philippeqc__> lol
20:35 <philippeqc__> z-man: how do I grab all the variables?
20:36 <z-man> with p
20:36 <luke-jr_> z-man: I do that all the time
20:36 <spidey> me to
20:37 <spidey> actually i do it atleast three times a day :/
20:37 <z-man> spidey and luke-jr_: get kicked?
20:37 <philippeqc__> there isnt a command for "all the variables at the local scope"?
20:37 <spidey> spam kicked from my own server
20:37 <z-man> philippeqc__: no :(
20:37 <spidey> usually from doing admin commands wrong
20:37 <philippeqc__> :(
20:37 <philippeqc__> ouch
20:38 <z-man> But we can do an interactive sesion here with /msg :)
20:38 <philippeqc__> ok
20:38 <spidey> mmm
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20:39 <z-man> hey, that didn't open a new tab
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20:42 <luke-jr_> lala
20:42 <z-man> philippeqc__: you there? There should be a new window/tab open for you :)
20:43 <philippeqc__> I have one, I was talking to you there
20:43 <z-man> Umm, nothing is getting through
20:44 <luke-jr_> are you both registered?
20:44 <z-man> I guess I am
20:44 <philippeqc__> darn
20:44 <philippeqc__> I could read you thoug
20:44 <philippeqc__> nope
20:44 <philippeqc__> #register philippeqc
20:44 <armabot> philippeqc__: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
20:44 <philippeqc__> and a big fat nothing
20:44 <philippeqc__> saw the link, will register
20:45 <z-man> We could also just open a new channel
20:45 <z-man> join #armawallbug
20:45 <luke-jr_> erm
20:45 <luke-jr_> not #register
20:45 <luke-jr_> /msg nickserv help register
20:47 <z-man> wake me up when you got it :)
20:47 * wrtlprnft got soo used to armabot reporting commits :S
20:48 -!- philippeqc__ is now known as philippeqc_
20:48 <wrtlprnft> big improvement
20:48 <philippeqc_> /msg nickserv link philippeqc conf
20:49 -!- philippeqc_ is now known as philippeqc
20:49 <z-man> That's probably a lameness factor decrease of .1 :)
20:49 <wrtlprnft> /msg nickserv ghost philippeqc conf
20:49 <spidey> lol
20:49 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:49 <philippeqc> yep, saw it, so I changed my password immediatly
20:50 <philippeqc> ghost?
20:50 <spidey> kills a nick
20:50 <wrtlprnft> kicks the user
20:50 <wrtlprnft> in case it didn't yet time out
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20:50 <luke-jr_> ...
20:51 <philippeqc> should be done
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20:51 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
20:51 <wrtlprnft> like that
20:51 <philippeqc> nope
20:51 -!- wrtlprnft_kopete [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has left #armagetron ["this would be spam by default"]
20:51 <wrtlprnft> hehe changed that quit message
20:52 <spidey> mine says skrew the best salute the rest
20:52 * deja_vu_ slaps wrtlprnft >:(
20:52 <spidey> haha
20:52 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
20:52 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: it's armabot's fault
20:53 <deja_vu> why? ^^
20:53 <wrtlprnft> 20:51 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
20:53 <wrtlprnft> she says it...
20:54 <spidey> he
20:55 <wrtlprnft> sexist spidey
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <madmax|pt> "spidey ... skrew the best"
20:55 <madmax|pt> sexist
20:55 <deja_vu> weelll... and why does armabot say that? :P
20:55 <spidey> ............
20:56 <spidey> you two make no sense
20:56 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: because i joined
20:56 <spidey> madmax|pt, what does my quit message have to do with anything?
20:56 <deja_vu> see?
20:56 <deja_vu> your fault :P
20:57 <madmax|pt> lol
20:57 <deja_vu> stop coming here ^^
20:57 <wrtlprnft> well
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20:58 <spidey> mmm
21:00 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: other idea: change your name so you don't get woken up
21:00 <deja_vu> :/
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21:01 <wrtlprnft> well, i like that idea better
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21:04 * spidey slaps armabot
21:23 <philippeqc> spidey, you have to do something about all that agression.
21:31 * spidey slaps philippeqc
21:31 <philippeqc> exactly what I'm talking about
21:31 <spidey> ;D
21:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:54 <Vanhayes> bah
22:10 <nemostultae> #armaservers
22:10 <armabot> nemostultae: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:14 <wrtlprnft> it's invalid chars
22:14 <wrtlprnft> they aren
22:14 <wrtlprnft> 't filtered correctly, so the XML is invalid if some pricks with latin-1 contron chars are online
22:15 <luke-jr_> z-man: um, you know 'jobs' isn't available for shell scripts?
22:19 <wrtlprnft> it is if you use /bin/bash as a shell methinks
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> one of z-man's names is registered, but I don't know which :)
22:19 <wrtlprnft> but /bin/sh doesn't know about it since it's a bash addition
22:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nope
22:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you need a tty
22:20 * wrtlprnft hates Oscilloscope/Louven/silly/Audrey more with every post he makes
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22:20 * Lucifer_arma only hates his mother-in-law. The rest he can tolerate to some extent.
22:21 <luke-jr_> O.o
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22:21 <Lucifer_arma> this eggroll was good, I will eat another one
22:22 <luke-jr_> ...
22:22 <luke-jr_> I think my wife eats eggrolls
22:23 <Lackadaisical> is oscilloscope a boy or a girl?
22:24 <luke-jr_> both
22:25 <Lackadaisical> noone knows?
22:25 <Lackadaisical> or are you serious?
22:25 <nemostultae> he is a dude.
22:25 <luke-jr_> lol
22:25 <philippeqc> z-man went to clean his kitchen.
22:26 * wrtlprnft enters spidey mode
22:26 * wrtlprnft slaps Oscilloscope
22:26 * wrtlprnft slaps Louven
22:26 * wrtlprnft slaps sirry
22:26 * wrtlprnft slaps Audrey
22:26 * wrtlprnft leaves spidey mode
22:26 <Lackadaisical> you forgot gina
22:26 <wrtlprnft> *silly
22:26 <philippeqc> lol @ wrtlprnft
22:26 <wrtlprnft> gina? didn't know about that
22:27 <wrtlprnft> heck, i don't wanna know all aliases.
22:27 <wrtlprnft> I'd rather prefer to play in peace without knowing that an idiot is around
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well, even if I'm the only one on a server there's already an idiot around, so make that two idiots
22:28 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar_ is now known as [Xpert]DarkStar
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22:30 <Lucifer_arma> silly's a married man, that's why he's so angry
22:31 <philippeqc> rotfl
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm planning on adding Audrey 2 to my name file, and I must admit there's a part of me hoping it pisses off silly
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22:32 <Lucifer_arma> but the largest part of me is hoping people will recognize the name from somewhere besides him :)
22:32 <nemostultae> He'll probably kick you for it.
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> why? He prejudiced against man-eating plants?
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> *musical, at that
22:32 <nemostultae> Just don't go in to shrunkland with it
22:32 <philippeqc> "Oh! Dray too" would probably be too complex for anyone to get
22:32 <wrtlprnft> don't go to shrunkland at all if he's around
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I don't go to shrunkland much anyway. It is a deathmatch server, after all
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I usually only go there when silly is there and fortress is empty to tell everybody "deathmatch sucks, play fortress!"
22:33 * Lucifer_arma wonders if he's contributed to silly's anti-fortress attitude
22:34 * wrtlprnft hopes Lucifer_arma will help contribute to that so he doesn't annoy fortress people
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh, silly doesn't play much fortress anymore. last time I saw him in there, he just ODD'd on his team and got vote-kicked
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> (where ODD = Oppositional Defiant Disorder)
22:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, why not add guy |mbc| ?
22:36 <anjori> heh
22:38 <philippeqc> that will evolve into a "why not have all the clans tags" and will result in the forum being spammed about imposters and whiny clan boys requesting that their precious clan tags be protected.
22:38 <spidey> ahah
22:38 <spidey> i ment it more as a insult for scope ;p
22:38 <anjori> a had to remove a few of mine spidey, for length
22:38 <philippeqc> I agree with the insult!
22:38 <spidey> scope = guy |mbc|
22:38 <spidey> o.o
22:38 -!- philippeqc is now known as |mbc|
22:39 -!- |mbc| is now known as |mbc|philippe
22:39 <wrtlprnft> err
22:39 <wrtlprnft> please, phillipe |mbc|
22:39 <wrtlprnft> i hate clan tags in front of the name
22:39 <spidey> lol
22:39 <wrtlprnft> infact, any tag
22:39 <spidey> even if it looks better infront?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> what's more important, the tag or the nick?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> what should be read first?
22:39 <anjori> but we don't have their own identities! we live and breathe for the clan!
22:40 <wrtlprnft> pfft
22:40 <anjori> *our own
22:40 <anjori> i need to wake up before trying to converse
22:40 -!- |mbc|philippe is now known as philippeqc
22:40 -!- philippeqc is now known as philippeqc_
22:41 -!- philippeqc_ is now known as philippeqc
22:41 <philippeqc> o I give up
22:42 <philippeqc> I'm about to code what will be know on the most evil feature
22:42 <philippeqc> the "onOutside" of a zone
22:42 <philippeqc> mouahahahahahhahahahahaha
22:43 <philippeqc> hahahahahahaha
22:43 <philippeqc> hahahahahahah
22:43 <philippeqc> *puff puff*
22:43 <philippeqc> hahahahahahahahah
22:45 * spidey is annoyed with eggdrop
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> would anybody else like some laughing gas?
22:46 <spidey> LOL
22:46 * [Xpert]DarkStar is the proud owner of two sun ultra 10
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D :D
22:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: will there also be something like a condition that you are ouside of two zones?
22:46 <Vanhayes> stop talking and play fortress spidey
22:46 <wrtlprnft> so you're in neither zone?
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> would you like an eggroll to go with that?
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22:47 <spidey> Vanhayes eh?
22:47 <philippeqc> dont you get it, you can trigger the effect of a zone by being OUTSIDE! Outside!!!!
22:47 <spidey> Vanhayes, i'm not in tron
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> no way!
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> actually, that's good
22:47 <wrtlprnft> warning, paste
22:47 <wrtlprnft> g++ -I. -I.. -O2 -march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse -msse2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -Wpointer-arith -W -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wconversion --pedantic -Wno-unused-parameter -Wno-long-long -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -o armagetronad_main armagetronad_main-gFloor.o armagetronad_main-cCockpit.o armagetronad_main-cMap.o libtron.a libenginecore.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a librender.a libtools.a thirdparty/particles/libparticles.a -lpthread -lSDL_image -ljpeg -lpng -lz -lGLU -lGL -lSDL_mixer -lSDL -lpthread -lm -L/usr/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm -lGLU -lGL -lfreetype -lz -lftgl -lfreetype -lz
22:47 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad_main-cMap.o: In function `cWidget::Map::DrawMap(bool, bool, bool, double, double, double, double, double, double, double, double, double, double)':
22:47 <wrtlprnft> cMap.cpp:(.text+0xed4): undefined reference to `gridded_sg_netPlayerWalls'
22:47 <wrtlprnft> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> hey, do we have any cool new zone effects to play with?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> comes when i compile the trunk
22:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I'll look into that when I'm done with monitors (fortress like behavior)
22:47 <wrtlprnft> or try to compile
22:48 <Vanhayes> spidey: someone is playing as BlAz3-D in speeders fort
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I've emerged gcc 4.1 and I'd like to rebuild my whole system with it and remove all packages not built with it
22:48 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I was thinking to do something like that. "inside" is inside either, and outside is anything else
22:48 <Vanhayes> thought that was you
22:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: emerge -ea world
22:48 <spidey> Vanhayes, ya some clone :)
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: thanks :)
22:48 <spidey> he came in my server while i was playing
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Vanhayes it's not me :)
22:48 * Lucifer_arma hasn't played in a week or so, been busy
22:49 * wrtlprnft does make clean && make and hopes the bug goes away
22:49 <Vanhayes> speeders shopuyld have learned fort isnt fun with 20 rubber
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's not worth doing if you need rubber
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's what I tell my wife
22:51 <spidey> hahaha
22:51 <spidey> 20 rubber?
22:51 <spidey> wtf
22:51 <philippeqc> lol
22:51 <wrtlprnft> :s there's people <18 in here :P
22:51 <spidey> ??who
22:51 <spidey> ohhh Vanhayes
22:51 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: some warning
22:51 <wrtlprnft> tron/gWall.cpp: In member function `void gPlayerWall::Check() const':
22:51 <wrtlprnft> tron/gWall.cpp:1260: warning: unused variable 'range'
22:51 <wrtlprnft> might wanna fix that
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> that only matters if there are people both <18 and person.virgin == True
22:52 * z-man will fix the sg_netPlayerWalls thingy, it got renamed
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> don't worry, I'll be hard at work on calculus again in a minute
22:53 <philippeqc> void gPlayerWall::Check() const
22:53 <philippeqc> {
22:53 <philippeqc> netWall_->Check();
22:53 <philippeqc> tASSERT( begDist_ >= netWall_->Pos( 0 ) - EPS );
22:53 <philippeqc> tASSERT( endDist_ <= netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS );
22:53 <philippeqc> }
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> I only came home because I was so hungry I couldn't concentrate anymore
22:53 <philippeqc> no range
22:54 <philippeqc> yeah luci, that is the excuse I always give when I end up in orgies such as the one you described.
22:54 <luke-jr_> Winner: 21.203's AI Team
22:54 <luke-jr_> WTF is with the #s?
22:54 * Lucifer_arma always thought a Paulie Shore look-alike would be in demand at all the local orgies
22:55 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: CIA doesn't seem to work at all
22:55 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> is it reading the ladder file instead of the ai file?
22:55 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: a shame
22:55 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> no trace of philippeqc creating a branch or something
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's not working, I opened a tracker item
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> and have been ignored, it seems
22:55 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: this is with 0.2.8.2
22:55 <philippeqc> but no, I'm not getting marked on cia
22:56 <wrtlprnft> just because luke-jr_ says it only affects armabot/#commits
22:56 <luke-jr_> are resource uploads showing up with CIA?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> not that i know
22:56 <wrtlprnft> dunno if there were any
22:56 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: well, I said 'armagetronad' in #commits and it didn't copy here
22:56 <z-man> cMap should be fixed
22:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: that's fine
22:56 <wrtlprnft> it only accepts CIA-. now
22:57 <wrtlprnft> the trunk still won't link for me
22:57 <luke-jr_> z-man: use $! instead of jobs -p
22:57 <wrtlprnft> never mind, z-man said he was gonna fix it
22:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: tell me when you're done as armabot won't
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, I've been ignored in sourceforge's tracker
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> armabot filters from #commits by user name since luke discovered he could still annoy me after I've ignored him by going to #commits and saying "armagetronad"
22:58 <wrtlprnft> and possibly annoying everyone else who is in there
22:58 <luke-jr_> you were ignoring me?
22:58 <spidey> hshshs
22:59 <wrtlprnft> shshsh
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's a problem with other projects on sourceforge that use CIA, too
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: no, not at that time, but you showed you could do it. :)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> so SF is to blame?
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> yes, except...
22:59 <spidey> i know a way to annoy that can't be taken away :p
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible it never would have happened to us if I hadn't fooled with it. :)
22:59 * Lucifer_arma refers to his post on the subject on the forums
23:00 * luke-jr_ blames Lucifer_arma
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I maintain that nothing I did should have broken it, and it's still sourceforge's fault, but what really matters (heh) is that sourceforge needs to fix it if we want it to work again
23:00 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/host/sourceforge <-- there are commits from SF...
23:01 <nemostultae> sf probably isn't hosted on sf, too unstable for them. ;)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> I think it happened because of some bug in sourceforge.net that only hurts you if you try to change your commit hooks *now*
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> but if it's an established commit hook from before the bug entered the code, you shouldn't suffer if you don't fool with your settings
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's what it feels like to me :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'd expect that projects still using cvs won't suffer this problem at all
23:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: make a support request?
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> yes
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=1524145&group_id=1
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> made it yesterday, I think
23:03 <luke-jr_> does the rsync mirror show the problem?
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1524336&group_id=1&atid=200001 <--- similar problem
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> ? rsync mirror show the problem....
23:04 * Lucifer_arma wonders what that means
23:05 <luke-jr_> luke-jr@tsurukikun svn $ diff armagetronad/hooks/ armagetronad-brokenhook/hooks/ -ur
23:06 <luke-jr_> -/var/local/mastertree/service-svn/hook-scripts/ciabot_svn.py "$1" "$2" armagetronad
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> the arguments to the hook have changed, but that's not when it broke
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> it broke when I added an email notification hook
23:06 <luke-jr_> there are no hooks on our project's Svn
23:07 <luke-jr_> other than SF's stats thing
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, the arguments to the svn hook have changed, so it looks like it's not writing the changes to svn where it matters, but is storing them in the database
23:08 <luke-jr_> exactly
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> and for some reason it is clearing the hooks when you make a change
23:08 <luke-jr_> it's not updating the hooks file
23:08 <wrtlprnft> darn #%$� SF
23:08 <wrtlprnft> i don't want to be forced to change my password
23:09 <luke-jr_> LOL
23:09 <luke-jr_> at least you can change it back
23:09 <luke-jr_> unlike me
23:09 * wrtlprnft will change it back
23:09 <wrtlprnft> just for protest
23:09 <luke-jr_> I can't :(
23:09 <luke-jr_> my old password is no longer acceptable
23:10 <wrtlprnft> well
23:10 <wrtlprnft> just append a 1 to the old one
23:10 <wrtlprnft> next time you put a 2
23:10 <luke-jr_> =p
23:10 <luke-jr_> still wouldn't be valid
23:10 <luke-jr_> it'd still be too short
23:10 <wrtlprnft> and why does sf flash while loading in opera if I'm logged in?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> ie it loads, then goes white, then loads again
23:11 <wrtlprnft> darn SF
23:11 <luke-jr_> likely unset image widths or such
23:11 * wrtlprnft avoids that site whenever possible since it sucks so mucj
23:11 <wrtlprnft> *much
23:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: opera can cope with those just fine
23:11 <wrtlprnft> it doesn
23:11 <luke-jr_> rendering on-the-fly always has issues tho
23:11 <wrtlprnft> 't rerender the page, it reloads it
23:12 <wrtlprnft> ah, there we go
23:12 <wrtlprnft> if i disable JS it doesn't
23:12 <wrtlprnft> so it's some broken JS
23:12 * wrtlprnft uses site- specific preferences to disallow JS on sourceforge, I don't wanna fix the broken script
23:13 <wrtlprnft> and how often is this thing gonna ask me to log in again?
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I added more information to the support request
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> as often as it wants. I try to avoid sf's site because it asks me to login just to wipe my ass
23:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, that's where you use a password manager
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I do use a password manager, that's not the problem
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is that the login screen always takes me to my page after it's done, and I want the last page I was looking at
23:14 <wrtlprnft> true
23:14 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50870C20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> "Do you have any toilet paper?"
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> "Prove that I know you!"
23:15 * Lucifer_arma proves it
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> "Now step into the kitchen and do what you wanted to do"
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> "But my pants are down around my ankles! Why can't I go back to the bathroom?"
23:15 <luke-jr_> ...
23:16 <Vanhayes> #nickometer
23:16 <Vanhayes> er
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's unloaded, Vanhayes
23:17 <Vanhayes> heh ya i remembered while i was typing it, ididnt mean to press enter tho
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer Lucifer_arma
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
23:17 <Vanhayes> #list alias
23:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove nickometer
23:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no such alias.
23:17 <luke-jr_> lol
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list
23:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> #help nickometer
23:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "nickometer".
23:18 <luke-jr_> ROFL
23:18 <Vanhayes> heh happy hunting
23:18 <luke-jr_> #nickometer Lucifer_arma
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list User
23:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer wrtlprnft
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: How can you even think the nick wrtlprnft can be lame?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> #list Herald
23:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, change, default, get, and remove
23:19 <Vanhayes> #herald get 1
23:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:19 <Vanhayes> bah
23:19 * wrtlprnft waits for Lucifer_arma to find out what wrtlprnft did
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list Markov
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'Markov' is not a valid plugin.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> #list Games
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> #help eightball
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (eightball [<question>]) -- Ask a question and the answer shall be provided.
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball Lucifer_arma
23:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Naturally.
23:21 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer Oscilloscope
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> duh
23:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Oscilloscope is the lamest nick I've ever seen.
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> #list rss
23:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, announce, armaservers, armawiki, info, remove, and rss
23:21 <wrtlprnft> nah
23:22 <wrtlprnft> waaay simpler
23:22 <Vanhayes> announce?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #announce
23:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (announce <text>) -- Sends <text> to all channels the bot is currently on and not lobotomized in.
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, you have to be owner for that
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #list
23:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #list Unix
23:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
23:23 <philippeqc> #game coin
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> #list Misc
23:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
23:23 <Vanhayes> #coin
23:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: tails
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, grepping the config file isn't turning it up
23:23 <philippeqc> #list games
23:23 <armabot> philippeqc: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
23:23 <philippeqc> #dice
23:23 <armabot> philippeqc: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
23:23 <philippeqc> #dice 3d7
23:23 <armabot> philippeqc: 5, 1, and 2
23:23 <wrtlprnft> /msg armabot alias add nickometer whatever you want it to say, then #nickometer <somenick>, then /msg armabot alias remove nickometer
23:23 <wrtlprnft> and all of that as fast as you can
23:23 <philippeqc> #eightball
23:23 <armabot> philippeqc: Yes!
23:23 <wrtlprnft> *echo whatever you want it to say
23:24 <philippeqc> #eightball
23:24 <armabot> philippeqc: About as likely as pigs flying.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:24 <wrtlprnft> :P
23:24 * Lucifer_arma thought that was too much work for you
23:24 <wrtlprnft> but I only made it say true things )
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ;)
23:24 <wrtlprnft> that's not a lot of work if you use the history
23:25 <philippeqc> #eightball Is lucifer going to ask me out to the prom?
23:25 <armabot> philippeqc: You're kidding, right?
23:25 <philippeqc> lol
23:25 <wrtlprnft> #eightball is Lucifer_arma a lame nich?
23:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You're kidding, right?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> #eightball is Lucifer_arma a lame nick?
23:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Unlikely.
23:25 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:25 <wrtlprnft> traitor
23:25 <Vanhayes> #eightball is armabot a lame nick?
23:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Maybe...
23:26 <philippeqc> #eightball Tank was making a pass at Sabarai, does he have a chance?
23:26 <armabot> philippeqc: One would be wise to think so.
23:26 <Vanhayes> lol
23:26 <philippeqc> #eightball Will silly ever calm down?
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball does philippeqc like to surf?
23:26 <armabot> philippeqc: You know the answer better than I.
23:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No clue.
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball does philippeqc occasionally appear on VH1?
23:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Unlikely.
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball does philippeqc occasionally appear on MTV?
23:27 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I doubt it very much.
23:27 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as PsYk0
23:27 <PsYk0> #eightball do you hate me
23:27 <philippeqc> He, I was twice on MusiquePlus (our MTV in quebec)
23:27 <armabot> PsYk0: No clue.
23:27 -!- PsYk0 is now known as Lucifer_arma
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> did they ask you why you looked like pauly shore?
23:28 <madmax|pt> #eightball what do women think?
23:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: Come again?
23:28 <madmax|pt> #eightball what do women think?
23:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: Come again?
23:28 <madmax|pt> lol
23:28 <philippeqc> I didnt have pauly shore hair at the time
23:28 <Vanhayes> ha
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhhh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> woohoo, 684 packages to emerge
23:29 <luke-jr_> lol
23:29 <philippeqc> #eightball Should I keep my career as a Pauly Shore look-alike?
23:29 <armabot> philippeqc: NO!
23:29 <philippeqc> lol
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> smart robot!
23:29 <luke-jr_> #eightball should someone purchase Arma server hosting from me?
23:29 <armabot> luke-jr_: No.
23:29 <philippeqc> #eightball Will luci give me a break about the Pauly Shore thingy?
23:30 <armabot> philippeqc: No.
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> #eightball should philippeqc go into movies instead and make movies about frozen men?
23:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: You know the answer better than I.
23:30 <luke-jr_> armabot: liar
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh. Don't feel bad, philippeqc . I get mistaken for Jesus all the time!
23:30 <luke-jr_> pings on servers i host are < 100 ms :)
23:30 <philippeqc> luke, you have a dual cpu thingy, why dont you use it
23:30 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: ?
23:30 <philippeqc> luci, its ok, I was just out of idea.
23:31 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: didn you get a dual xeon box
23:31 <luke-jr_> yes
23:31 <philippeqc> there you are
23:31 <luke-jr_> it's now my primary webserver, mail server, DNS, etc...
23:31 <luke-jr_> there I am what? =p
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> I have a dual duron box. I made it with a hacksaw...
23:31 <philippeqc> its a dual half duron
23:32 <philippeqc> luke what more do you want? you have the computer, plus a fast connection
23:32 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I'm looking for customers, not a host =p
23:32 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
23:32 <philippeqc> oooooooooooooooooooooo
23:32 <luke-jr_> and my home connection has pretty poor latency
23:32 <luke-jr_> but lightfoot is on a 9 Gbit backbone ;p
23:32 <philippeqc> o yeah, that is true
23:33 <luke-jr_> with quite low latency
23:33 <philippeqc> who is lightfoot
23:33 <luke-jr_> my rented server
23:33 <luke-jr_> colocated
23:33 <luke-jr_> that I'm using to host AA servers
23:33 <philippeqc> ok
23:33 <luke-jr_> see the webpage =p
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's a hell of a marketing page...
23:34 * Lucifer_arma notes that he used to do web marketing on a commission basis
23:34 <luke-jr_> I'm setting up an infrastructure for it to host multiple servers and have a web-based config
23:34 * Lucifer_arma further notes he doesn't do it anymore :)
23:34 <philippeqc> did you offer it to that kid that was asking about hosting in the us?
23:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's ok, cuz the prices aren't high enough that I can afford such =p
23:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: who?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> well then, that's a problem. :) Seen too many good business ideas go under because the prices weren't high enough to actually support them.
23:35 <wrtlprnft> for 15 bucks a month i get a good vserver
23:36 <wrtlprnft> and host however many players i like using whatever external sripts i want
23:36 * Lucifer_arma thinks the money to be made in game hosting is in integration with other software, not providing a box
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you still have to provide the box, that's a given
23:36 <wrtlprnft> so, where's the web admin interface?
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> just that, like wrtlprnft points out, he can get a good vserver for pretty little
23:36 <philippeqc> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=67491#67491
23:36 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/aa-admin/edit.php is so far-- but it needs a login
23:36 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: ^^^
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> so you need things like clan support, tournaments, webpages, stat scripts, the whole 9 yards
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> resource repository for the community.....
23:37 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: planned
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> (your server's community, *not* the game community)
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> logs, detailed reporting on the logs
23:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe some kind of log parser?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> you know, have a filter that filters out certain bits
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, I'd consider that part of the reporting tool :)
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't just mean grep "OMG LAG" thelogs.log
23:38 <wrtlprnft> and we need a unified log format
23:38 <wrtlprnft> the one that isn't dependend on the language
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> I mean stuff like "Your server saw 16 unique names in the reporting period, 3 came form the same IP address"
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: agreed, wholeheartedly
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> the language dependnecy is the main reason I haven't written a log parser :)
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually, aadaemon's got it turned into regex's and is capable of filtering events into separate logs
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of which, luke-jr_: aadaemon handles some of that for you, you might give it a look
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's python, though
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's in /private/Lucifer if you want to poke around it
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's a bit dated, it was last used on a 0.2.7.1 server
23:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I just finished writing a suite of scripts for user-level services
23:42 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=68211&highlight=1151623909#68211
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> is that silly's post?
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the one I just read :)
23:43 <wrtlprnft> no
23:43 <wrtlprnft> that's one of mine
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I remember that one
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> thing is, the log right now is made by just grabbing cout and redirecting to a file
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> guru3's stat object work is supposed to give us a logging interface, afaik. I could be wrong bout that, though.
23:51 <wrtlprnft> well, you'd have to find the important places and add new calls that make the right logs
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> and a tPathLogs
23:51 <luke-jr_> I plan to prioritize AA code improvements to support my hosting services ;)
23:52 <luke-jr_> so if nobody else is alwady working on it, I'll probably get something working
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> I plan to prioritize AA code improvements on luke-jr_ annoyance, silly annoyance DESC
23:52 * Lucifer_arma steps out for a bit, bbiab
23:54 * wrtlprnft laughs at smokers wasting their time
23:54 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:54 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-07-19:
--- Day changed Wed Jul 19 2006
00:00 <Vanhayes> #list
00:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:01 <Vanhayes> #list insult
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: insult
00:01 <Vanhayes> #help insult
00:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: (insult [<target>]) -- Reply optionally directed at a random string, person, object, etc.
00:01 * Lucifer_arma notices that nonsmokers never see the sunset, the sunrise, or hear the birds sing
00:01 * Lucifer_arma thinks nonsmokers are missing a large part of life
00:02 * Vanhayes sees all of that but doesnt smoke
00:02 <Vanhayes> except the sunrise
00:02 <Vanhayes> too early for me
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I usually see the sunset/sunrise in reverse order
00:02 <Vanhayes> lol
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> I think I've figured out what equity accounts are
00:04 <spidey> well
00:04 <spidey> ii don't hear the birds
00:05 <spidey> and i have a blanket over the window,so i don't see the sunrise or sunset
00:05 <spidey> ;s
00:05 <Vanhayes> that is hermit like
00:05 <spidey> nah
00:05 <Vanhayes> I can hear the birds right now
00:05 <spidey> i can't
00:05 <spidey> air conditioner covers the sound
00:05 <spidey> plus my stereo
00:06 * Vanhayes doesnt like fake air
00:06 <spidey> it's on 24/7
00:06 <spidey> it isn't fake air
00:06 <spidey> it's air pulled through a compressor
00:06 <spidey> then blown out cold
00:06 <Vanhayes> it is artificially cooler air
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> air pulled through a compressor?
00:07 <Vanhayes> cooled*
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's not artificially cooler air, it's air that really is cooler. It's for real
00:07 <spidey> ya
00:07 <spidey> Vanhayes, is dulusional
00:07 <Vanhayes> the proccess is artificail
00:07 <spidey> delusional
00:07 <spidey> !
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's not artificially cooled, either, the air conditioner is real
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> the process is real!
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> if it was artificial, it wouldn't be possible! artificial = not real
00:07 <spidey> haha
00:08 <spidey> well Vanhayes tell me 1 thing
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it happens. Go stand near the bottom of a waterfall on a hot day and notice how much cooler it is there
00:08 <Vanhayes> fine I dont like Unanurally colled air
00:08 <Vanhayes> cooled*
00:08 <spidey> what's the difference between air from a air conditioner and natural air?
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> if it didn't work within the laws of nature, it wouldn't work at all!
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> it is natural!
00:08 <spidey> ok air not from a air conditioner
00:08 <spidey> :p
00:09 <spidey> there's not a difference
00:09 <Vanhayes> air cooled by a machine is not a natural process
00:09 * Lucifer_arma thinks it's silly to label things that are man-made as unnatural.
00:09 <spidey> oh ya
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> it is a natural process
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> it even happens in the wild
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it happens. Go stand near the bottom of a waterfall on a hot day and notice how much cooler it is there
00:09 <Vanhayes> didnt know that was a machine
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> that is, if they have both waterfalls and hot days in your area
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a machine, but the same principles apply
00:09 <spidey> nature making me sweat to death is crulity
00:10 <spidey> so i'll go with a air conditioner
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> when the water evaporates, it has to absorb some amount of heat. Where does it get it?
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> from the surrounding air!
00:10 <Vanhayes> I still dont liek fake air
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> that's why being near a body of water is generally cooler than being a hundred feet (or meters or whatever) from it
00:10 <Vanhayes> like*
00:10 <spidey> van
00:10 <spidey> if i put you in a cold room "not air conditioned"
00:10 <spidey> and one that was
00:11 <spidey> how would you tell the difference
00:11 <spidey> !?
00:11 <spidey> you wouldn't
00:11 <madmax|pt> are you air conditioner sellers?
00:11 <spidey> duh
00:11 <Vanhayes> yes u can
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, natives in america (and in other places for sure) used to hang wet skins and stuff over their windows, and as the wind blew threw it,
00:11 <spidey> how?
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> the water would evaporate, taking heat from the air, and cooling their home
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not, but I'm a IMAACP-certified air conditioner technician
00:11 <madmax|pt> by the noise that keeps you from hearing the birds ?
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's IMAAP, I forget the exact acronym
00:12 <Vanhayes> the air smells wrong
00:12 <spidey> bullshi
00:12 <spidey> shit
00:12 <Vanhayes> and tastes wrong
00:12 <philippeqc> Vanhayes: you have to clean it once in a while
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> it only smells stale because it's not circulated with the outside environment
00:12 <spidey> hahah
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> also, you have to keep the evaporator coils cleaned--the purpose of the air filter you have to change every now and then
00:12 <spidey> mine smells and tastes normal
00:13 <philippeqc> like the water in a lake gets all dirty from the fish pooping in it.
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> but you know what all that dust and crap is that's in there?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> you konw where that dust comes from?
00:13 <philippeqc> that does taste natural ;)
00:13 <Vanhayes> me
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> right! It's 80% or so DEAD SKIN CELLS.
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> and that's perfectly natural too.
00:13 <philippeqc> 19% living skin cells making a run for it
00:13 <spidey> mmm
00:13 <spidey> so
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> what's the other 1%?
00:13 <spidey> all this dust on the floor came from me?
00:13 <philippeqc> it of "Other"
00:13 <Vanhayes> margin of error?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> yep
00:14 <spidey> O.o
00:14 <spidey> wow
00:14 <Vanhayes> spidey: and whoever else uses that room
00:14 <spidey> just me
00:14 * anjori now knows spidey's floor is dusty
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> so when you dust your house, keep in mind that you're throwing away a part of you!
00:14 <spidey> haha
00:14 <Vanhayes> a part of me that has already left me
00:14 <spidey> i don't dust
00:15 <spidey> i usually do a half assed sweep on my room
00:15 <spidey> and call it even
00:15 <spidey> ;D
00:15 <Vanhayes> damn spidey you are gonna have health problems soon
00:15 * spidey has wood floors
00:15 <Vanhayes> no fresh air dead skin all over
00:15 <spidey> Vanhayes, oh ya? you're gonna get a stroke from overheating
00:15 <spidey> so bite me
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit I like swamp coolers a lot better than the ones that use freon
00:15 * Vanhayes shakes his head
00:16 <Vanhayes> spidey: Im about 5 feet underground
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> and I carry a bandana in my pocket on really hot days so I can soak it in water and use the principles of refrigeration to cool my neck
00:16 <Vanhayes> nice and cool with real air
00:16 <spidey> real?
00:16 <spidey> how-so
00:16 <anjori> mm, heat stroke. i bet spidey had one of those last night.
00:16 <Vanhayes> yes
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> what about ozone and carbon monoxide?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> those are heavier than the air you breathe...
00:16 <spidey> lol
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> radion, too. It's a real problem in Britain, actually.
00:16 <spidey> Vanhayes, is gonna get eaten by giant worms
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> how does he refresh the air in his room without an air conditioner?
00:17 * madmax|pt remembers Dune
00:17 <Vanhayes> if the worms can get thru about 2-3 feet of concrete they deserve it
00:17 <spidey> ahh
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> concrete's man made
00:17 <spidey> hahah
00:17 <Vanhayes> yes
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer wood buildings
00:17 <spidey> ohhh
00:17 <Vanhayes> wood foundation?
00:17 <spidey> i live in a log cabin
00:18 <spidey> ;x
00:18 <Vanhayes> have fun
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> the only pollutant used to make wood buildings is flatulence
00:18 <spidey> 2 story log cabin!
00:18 <spidey> Vanhayes, sure....wood is stronger than ice ;)
00:18 * anjori invites over ther termites
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't answer my question, though, Vanhayes
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> how do you refresh the air?
00:19 <spidey> simple
00:19 <Vanhayes> windows and a steady breeze, its a sunken basement
00:19 <spidey> he takes a bucket and throws it overboard
00:19 <Vanhayes> about 2 feet of it is above ground 5 or so below
00:19 <spidey> ????
00:19 <spidey> wtf
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
00:19 <spidey> you said you're 5ft underground
00:19 <spidey> how you got windows?
00:19 * Vanhayes points up
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> I used to do the same thing when we lived up in Seattle
00:20 <spidey> O.o
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> but you know, up there, there isn't any such thing as a day so hot that just being inside an insulated structure without air conditioning can kill you
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> down here, it's a different story :)
00:20 * spidey notes when the ice-age happens canada will get it first!
00:20 <Vanhayes> it was 35 C today
00:20 <Vanhayes> thats pretty hot
00:20 <spidey> #g 35c in f
00:20 <armabot> 35 degrees Celsius = 95 degrees Fahrenheit
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 35 C in F
00:20 <armabot> 35 degrees Celsius = 95 degrees Fahrenheit
00:21 <spidey> lol
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> 101 outside right now, bite me
00:21 <spidey> oh yea
00:21 <Vanhayes> move
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 101 F in C
00:21 <armabot> 101 degrees Fahrenheit = 38.3333333 degrees Celsius
00:21 <spidey> heat index puts us at 103
00:21 <spidey> :)
00:21 <Vanhayes> didnt really think to look for heat index
00:21 * Lucifer_arma goes to check the heat index, his house thermometer doesn't measure that
00:21 <Vanhayes> mine either
00:21 <spidey> mine either
00:21 <spidey> the news told me
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, only 102 for us
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> 26% humidity, no wonder my skin's crackling
00:22 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's fucking drier than dirt
00:22 <spidey> lol
00:22 <Vanhayes> o ya
00:23 <spidey> i thought humidity was like
00:23 <spidey> thickness
00:23 <Vanhayes> ....
00:23 <spidey> like harder to breathe
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's why our heat index is so low :)
00:23 <Vanhayes> thickness of air?
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> normally with the temperature of 101 our heat index would put us up around 108
00:23 <Vanhayes> I think it is how wet the air is
00:23 <spidey> Vanhayes, shhhhhhhhh
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/whumdef.htm
00:23 <spidey> your opinion don't count!
00:24 <Vanhayes> Truth always counts
00:24 <spidey> you live 5feet underground...i live 10feet above
00:24 <spidey> i win
00:24 <Vanhayes> start digging
00:24 <spidey> actually
00:25 <spidey> from the right side
00:25 <Vanhayes> #g 41C in f
00:25 <armabot> 41 degrees Celsius = 105.8 degrees Fahrenheit
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> Relative humidity: The amount of water vapor actually in the air divided by the amount of water vapor the air can hold.
00:25 <spidey> i live about 15-16 feet above
00:25 <spidey> from the left it's 13ft above
00:25 <Vanhayes> thats how hot is was yesturday with heat index here
00:26 * Vanhayes was in a pool all that day tho so it felt good
00:26 <philippeqc> pools are not natural.
00:26 <spidey> ? Heat Index: 97F / 36c
00:26 <spidey> ? Humidity: 48 %
00:26 <spidey> ? Wind: S 3mph / 5kph
00:26 <spidey> ? Visibility: 8.00 mi
00:26 <spidey> ? Dewpoint: 69 F / 21 C
00:26 <spidey> ? Barometer:
00:26 <spidey> 29.97 Falling
00:26 <spidey> that's about 200miles away
00:26 <philippeqc> sorry just couldn't resist
00:26 <Vanhayes> lol
00:26 <spidey> haha
00:27 <Vanhayes> well the river was too far too walk to when it is 41 C out
00:27 <spidey> 48% humidity O.o
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00:28 <Lucifer_arma> we usually hover around 50% humidity
00:29 <Vanhayes> its usually at least 70% here
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> you near a large lake?
00:29 <Vanhayes> but its pretty close to the bay of funday so
00:29 <Vanhayes> lol
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> our humidity comes from all the little streams and a misnamed river
00:30 <Vanhayes> well at least 70 in saint john
00:30 <Vanhayes> was fogged over today
00:30 <Vanhayes> in the morning
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, in august, when the runoff waters from the july rains finally make it down here our relative humidity will skyrocket right when our temperatures peak
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> august is sweltering around here
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> but you know, the summers might be brutal, but I'll be damned if I've seen better spring and fall weather
00:31 <Vanhayes> ya the worst is high temps with really high humidity
00:31 <Vanhayes> I like sping weather
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> seattle has really nice summer weather, but it's not really worth 8 months of shitty weather when you can spend those 8 months in Texas in beautiful weather :)
00:31 <Vanhayes> only weather I dont like is fall
00:32 <spidey> bah
00:32 <spidey> i was in southern texas during the summer
00:32 <Vanhayes> depends on your definition of beautiful weather too
00:32 <spidey> i say
00:32 <spidey> fuck that
00:32 <spidey> how s.o.b
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't usually get cold enough to warrant more than a heavy sweater, so the weather stays pretty nice through the winter
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> south texas is quite different than central texas
00:32 <spidey> i didn't get out of the truck the whole time
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> south texas is fucking hot and dry
00:33 <spidey> no shit
00:33 <Vanhayes> I consider a -25 c day beautifull
00:33 <spidey> plus all these bugs
00:33 <spidey> look like mini-butterflies
00:33 <spidey> wtf are those
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> #g -25 C in F
00:33 <armabot> -25 degrees Celsius = -13 degrees Fahrenheit
00:33 <spidey> like clouds of them
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> locusts? heh
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> (note: locusts are indigenous to africa)
00:33 <spidey> maybe
00:33 <spidey> all i know is we wiped out hundreds of them
00:33 <spidey> ahah
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, we have a lot of weird insects
00:34 <spidey> we was 6miles from the mexican boarder
00:34 <spidey> i saw palm trees
00:34 <spidey> ;d
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, north mexico is pretty shitty too, I hear
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> it bsically goes like this:
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> The hill country in texas is very fertile, but south of it is desert
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it's desert all the way until the jungles in central Mexico start up
00:35 <spidey> i wanna goto mexico city
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> then it's jungle all the way down into the middle of South America
00:35 <Vanhayes> I want to go to a jungle
00:35 <spidey> no you don't
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> me too
00:35 <Vanhayes> just soi I can say I was in a jungle
00:36 <Vanhayes> plus it would be pretty cool
00:36 <spidey> if you goto a jungle
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> I want to go to a jungle so I can say "You know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby! You're gonna diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyow!"
00:36 <spidey> i'm moving in with you
00:36 <spidey> how about that
00:36 <Vanhayes> lol
00:36 <spidey> :)
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> won't you feel my, my, my serpentine? Ooooo--waa! I wanna hear you scream!
00:36 <Vanhayes> you cant bring an air conditioner into my place
00:36 <spidey> LOL
00:37 <spidey> watch me
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> wht if I use it to mine water from the air for drinking water?
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> s/mine/farm
00:37 <spidey> lol
00:37 * Lucifer_arma wants to move out to west texas with some solar panels and a moisture collector and become a utility company
00:37 <Vanhayes> meh ill go find a water fall
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> the stuff that comes out of the air is potable, you need to boil what you get from the creek
00:38 <Vanhayes> maybe ill just move to a rain forrest instead
00:39 <Vanhayes> I know forrests, dont know jungles
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hurricanes are cool
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> rain forest is a synonym for jungle
00:39 <spidey> lol
00:39 * Vanhayes was wondering if anyone else knew that
00:39 <spidey> you know
00:39 <Vanhayes> thought I could get away with it
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyone who's read Tarzan knows it :)
00:39 <spidey> Vanhayes, might die from acid rain poisoning
00:39 <spidey> goto the jungle van!
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> nah, there aren't any cities in the rain forests producing acid rain
00:40 <spidey> damn :(
00:40 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, can we drop Vanhayes off in the middle of mexican/us boarder?
00:40 <spidey> and let him walk home
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> he'll drown if you do that
00:41 * Vanhayes would probly go to mexico first
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> the rio grande is an ugly river
00:41 <spidey> haha
00:41 <spidey> ok
00:41 <spidey> just over the mexico boarder
00:41 <spidey> and let him walk home
00:41 <Vanhayes> hmm im thinking about doing something like that anyway
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know, he just has to stick his thumb out and someone will give him a ride north
00:41 * Lucifer_arma loves Texas!
00:41 <spidey> haha
00:42 <Vanhayes> next year I might hitch hick for a while
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget we got southern hospitality down here, too
00:42 * spidey cuts Vanhayes 's thumbs off
00:42 <spidey> hitch hick?
00:42 * Vanhayes notices you really dont need thumbs to hitch hike
00:42 <Vanhayes> it is texas spidey
00:42 * Lucifer_arma has an electronic thumb
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, carry a gas can with you and everyone will stop and offer you a ride
00:43 <spidey> lol
00:43 <Vanhayes> well all you really need is a hand, unless people are stupid they will know what you want
00:45 <spidey> if i saw you walking down the highway and stuck your hand up,i'd run you over
00:45 <Vanhayes> and the people who would pick me up that didnt cause they didnt recognize me walking backwards with my hand sticking out as being a sign that I wanted picked up, I wouldnt want to get in a car with them
00:45 <spidey> you ever seen that movie,texas chainsaw massacure?
00:45 <spidey> :)
00:46 <Vanhayes> have you ever seen a highway porn?
00:46 <spidey> .....
00:46 <Vanhayes> I'd take my chances if there is a chance of that happening
00:47 * Vanhayes thinks that there is about as much chance of that as the chainsaw massacre
00:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone of you ever watched live porn? (ie watch neighbors)
00:47 <spidey> yes
00:48 <spidey> when i lived in appartments
00:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
00:49 <Vanhayes> one neighbor is a drunk and his old mother another is some weird older couple with a young kid so...
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> texas chainsaw massacre was (loosely) based on a true story
00:49 <Vanhayes> heh im sure the porn was too
00:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh my god... such a bad movie...
00:51 <Vanhayes> nice another thunder storm just rolled in
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> awww, wikipedia says it's a myth. I dont' remember where I read that it was based on a true story
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> let's see if snopes knows about it
00:51 <Vanhayes> should cool things off a little
00:51 <Vanhayes> snopes?
00:51 <Vanhayes> #google snopes
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.25 seconds: Urban Legends Reference Pages: <http://www.snopes.com/>; snopes .com: <http://msgboard.snopes.com/>; OJR article: For Snopes .com, Debunking the Bambi Hoax Was All in a ...: <http://www.ojr.org/ojr/glaser/1059692646.php>; Urban Legends Reference Pages: Inboxer Rebellion (Gay Jesus Film): <http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/petition/gayjesus.htm>; Urban (2 more messages)
00:51 <Vanhayes> heh
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00:54 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, snopes says it wasn't real
00:55 <Vanhayes> sort of
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.htm
01:03 <philippeqc> #night
01:03 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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01:06 <anjori> is it sad that i'm surprised that's false?
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> have more faith in your neighbors, anjori
01:07 <Vanhayes> just a little bit ya
01:08 <Vanhayes> http://www.snopes.com/travel/foreign/olympics.asp
01:10 <anjori> that'll be a real treat
01:11 <anjori> i won't want to leave my house for the duration.
01:12 <Vanhayes> heh o ya your from vancover aren't you?
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> Q: Do you have perfume in Canada? (Germany)
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> A: No, WE don't stink.
01:13 <anjori> indeed i am
01:13 <Vanhayes> Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
01:13 <Vanhayes> anjori: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday night in Vancouver and in Calgary, straight after the hippo races. Come naked.
01:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> router reset... brb
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01:13 <Vanhayes> heh thats my favorite
01:14 <Vanhayes> anjori: how close are you to the place its being held?
01:20 <anjori> i'm actually not in vancouver proper: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=burnaby,+bc&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=49.24719,-122.969971&spn=0.24205,0.736084
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> Reporter Nich Schou of the OC Weekly made a telling statement in October 2001: "Since Sept. 11, there have been two kinds of Americans: those who think the U.S. is out of touch with the rest of the world, and those who think the rest of the world can take a hike."
01:21 <anjori> and i'm not sure where everything will be, actually. i know some of it like the skiing and such will be up in Whistler.
01:24 <Vanhayes> ya, the opening ceramonies will probly be held in the biggest staduim out there
01:24 <anjori> their site doesn't want to tell me anything more specific than vancouver and whistler
01:25 <anjori> the whole are will be flooded, though. and public transportation (especially the skytrain) packed
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01:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> back ><
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Wordup, Muthas! Herr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin' fo' Galveston like Leroy on a crotch rocket! Bitch be a category fo'! So, turn off dem chitlins, grab yo' chirren, leave yo crib, and head fo' de nearest FEMA office fo yo FREE shit!"
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/hurricane.asp
01:31 <anjori> yeah, i heard about that
01:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> just played a little with solaris 10 on one of my ultra 10's
01:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i never really liked solaris
01:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm not gonna start liking it i guess
01:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm off to bed
01:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:39 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:46 <spidey> me too
01:46 <spidey> #night
01:46 <armabot> Good night spidey!
01:47 <Vanhayes> isnt it &:30 pm there spidey?
01:47 <Vanhayes> 7:30*
01:47 <spidey> yes ma'am
01:48 <spidey> 6:30
01:48 <spidey> actually it's 10 till 7
01:48 <Vanhayes> #time
01:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: 06:48 PM, July 18, 2006
01:48 <Vanhayes> isnt that a little early for bed?
01:49 <Vanhayes> well for sleep anyway
01:49 <spidey> no
01:49 <spidey> i live on aussie time
01:49 <spidey> lD
01:49 <spidey> ;D
01:49 <spidey> if i had it my way
01:49 <spidey> i'd be in bed 3 hours ago
01:50 <spidey> anyways
01:50 <spidey> cya
01:50 <Vanhayes> night
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01:56 <Lizz> hi
01:59 <anjori> hi, Lizz
01:59 <Lizz> hiya anj
02:00 <Lizz> gosh.. how come ur awake O.O
02:00 <anjori> it's 5pm...
02:00 <Lizz> thats my point lol
02:00 <Lizz> u back in day mode?
02:00 <anjori> not sure how long it'll last for, but yeah
02:01 <Lizz> u havent been asleep yet?
02:01 <anjori> i have
02:01 <Lizz> O.O
02:01 <Lizz> good grief!
02:01 <Lizz> thought ud shrivel up in daylight lmao
02:02 <anjori> i never said anything about going outside ;)
02:02 <Lizz> rofl
02:02 <Lizz> its not healty for u young men to be stuck on puters
02:02 <Lizz> healthy*
02:02 <anjori> i never said anything about being healthy, either
02:02 <Lizz> meh
02:03 <Lizz> u need to get out.. party.. and umm get laid
02:03 <Lizz> :)
02:03 <anjori> never been much of the partying type
02:03 <Lizz> well.. just go out n get laid then lol
02:04 <anjori> but the whores don't come out until night time :P
02:04 <Lizz> heh
02:05 <Lizz> u could always try a "nice" girl for a change u kno :P
02:06 <anjori> do those actually exist?
02:07 <Lizz> i think so.. or are they just an urban myth? o.O
02:10 <anjori> all nice girls are just bad girls with something to hide
02:13 <Lizz> LOL
02:15 <anjori> what do i need tv for when i can watch plenty of drama online: http://community.livejournal.com/vancouver/2461756.html?thread=23027004
02:16 <Lizz> will look in a sec
02:18 <anjori> typical drama in a local community where someone asks a question that can be easily answered with google or the yellow pages, another points out that fact, flames ensue
02:19 <Lizz> lol
02:19 <anjori> never fails to amuse me, though
02:19 <Lizz> better than dawsons creek eh? :P
02:29 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Bugfarm Fortress (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (6 players) || Pig Sty (Teams, Shooting, Self Destruct) (5 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (4 players) || Mr James's Server (3 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (testing) (2 players) || Laura Epsilon (1 more message)
02:29 <Vanhayes> #more
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: (small, high speed) (1 players) || PIXELPARTY VOICECHAT (1 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (1 players) || LumaTron (0 players) || AST |AllStarTronners| Server (Currently Fortress) (0 players) || -=|LoD|=- Sumo & Fortress (0 players)
02:30 <Lizz> ooo i like pigsty
02:30 * Lizz wonders why MBC isnt on the lists
02:30 <Lizz> oh maybe its empty lol
02:30 <Vanhayes> pig sty!!!
02:31 <Lizz> its fun :D
02:31 <Vanhayes> been a while since that one was up
02:31 <Lizz> yup
02:31 <Lizz> heh i used to run around trying to shoot spider all the time lol
02:31 <Vanhayes> lol
02:31 <Vanhayes> hmm its not on my master list
02:32 <Lizz> sneaky lil bugga used to always get me from round a corner lmao
02:35 <Lizz> brb need wood in the furnace
02:39 * Lizz warms her fingers
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> (including Microsoft, who announced a few days after the attacks that they were removing the twin towers from their popular flight simulator software after rumors arose that the hijackers had used copies of the program for training purposes.) <--- one more reason to release incremental revisions
03:10 <luke-jr_> ugh
03:10 <luke-jr_> why is it so difficult to simply execute a script setuid the web user?
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> because a script can't be executed that way?
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> besides, you don't really want to do that
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04:28 <Lizz> does every game that u play online have lag?
04:36 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes I do
04:36 <luke-jr_> Lizz: yes
04:37 <luke-jr_> Lizz: you should go to Omega Server
04:37 <luke-jr_> I mean
04:37 <luke-jr_> Gamma Server ;p
04:37 <luke-jr_> see how your ping is
04:37 <luke-jr_> so far, most pings are under 100, and the few over are way under 200
04:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: imagine if Flight Simulator was open source-- we could have "Flight Simulator WTC Takedown Edition" =p
04:40 <Lizz> gamma?
04:40 <Lizz> ooh and ive online games lag... why the hell do ppl piss n moan all the time???
04:41 <Lizz> *if
04:41 <Lizz> dont ppl understand??
04:41 <luke-jr_> it's called "Gamma Server"
04:41 <Lizz> ok ill go look
04:43 <Lizz> no gamma server on my ML
04:43 <luke-jr_> weird O.o
04:43 <Lizz> sry its not there
04:43 <luke-jr_> it should be
04:43 <Lizz> well it isnt lol
04:43 <luke-jr_> what version?
04:43 <luke-jr_> maybe too old?
04:43 <Lizz> 0.3.0
04:43 <luke-jr_> hm
04:44 <luke-jr_> how about luke-jr's server
04:44 <luke-jr_> (not experimental)
04:44 <Lizz> 2 of them i think one sec
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.flightgear.org/ <--- luke-jr_
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's a very nice flight simulator, but I"ve never gotten the plane to get off the runway
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> at least, not with enough lift to stay
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> crashed quite a few planes near the tower, though
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05:13 <Lizz> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
05:14 <Lizz> i swear to god ima gonna quit this damn game
05:14 <Lizz> >.,
05:14 <Lizz> <
05:14 <Vanhayes> why?
05:14 <Lizz> i just got called a cheat.. AGAIN coz of those god damn bugs
05:15 <Lizz> ppl think i use cheat codes coz i win
05:15 <Vanhayes> what server?
05:15 <Lizz> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
05:15 <Lizz> gamma
05:15 <Lizz> with psymon
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05:19 <Lizz> wb anj
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05:19 <Lizz> O.O
05:19 -!- anjori_ is now known as anjori
05:19 <Lizz> wb
05:19 <anjori> bloody thing
05:19 <anjori> thanks
05:19 <Lizz> how do u name change?
05:19 <Vanhayes> /nick
05:20 <anjori> /nick bitch
05:20 <Vanhayes> lol
05:20 -!- Lizz is now known as Angry
05:20 <Angry> wouldnt let me do angry bitch
05:20 * anjori is installing flightgear because people were talking about it and he's very impressionable
05:20 <Angry> >.<
05:21 <anjori> you can't have spaces in your nick
05:21 <anjori> need to use an underscore
05:21 -!- Angry is now known as Angry_Bitch
05:21 <Angry_Bitch> :)
05:22 <Angry_Bitch> should rename myself in tron to this >.<
05:23 <Angry_Bitch> or maybe angry cheater >.<
05:23 <Angry_Bitch> bloody men
05:23 * Angry_Bitch slaps anj for being a man
05:24 * Angry_Bitch slaps vanners too
05:25 <anjori> uh-oh, lizz is horny again
05:26 <Angry_Bitch> i am?
05:26 * Angry_Bitch pounces on anj and humps
05:26 <Angry_Bitch> guess i am
05:26 <Angry_Bitch> desparate too
05:27 -!- Angry_Bitch is now known as AB
05:28 <AB> wheres spider when u need him.. i feel like killing someone
05:29 * anjori wishes binaries would add a bloody menu entry when installed
05:29 <AB> pfft flightgear is linux
05:29 <anjori> ?
05:30 <anjori> no, linux is linux
05:30 <AB> *for
05:30 <anjori> flightgear is cross-platform
05:30 <AB> ?
05:30 <anjori> for windows, too
05:30 <AB> ??
05:30 <anjori> and mac
05:30 <anjori> and solaris
05:30 * AB looks
05:31 <AB> >.<
05:32 <anjori> anjori@1[~]$ dpkg -L flightgear
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/est-epsilon
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/gl-info
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/al-info
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/yasim
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/js_demo
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/fgjs
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/fgfs
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/metar
05:32 <anjori> /usr/games/terrasync
05:32 <anjori> would be nice if they were more obvious about what the fucking binary is called
05:32 <AB> 135Mb
05:32 <AB> O.o
05:32 <AB> take me 4 bloody weeks to d/l it >.<
05:33 <anjori> or you could join us in the year 2006 ;)
05:34 <Vanhayes> heh tool me less than 10 minutes
05:34 <Vanhayes> took*
05:36 <AB> oooh bite me :P
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05:38 <anjori> ...and i have no idea how to use this thing
05:38 <AB> anj n vanners wanna play the AU server with me?
05:39 <AB> u mite have to read instructions anj :P
05:39 <anjori> instructions are for women
05:39 <anjori> may play in a bit. i wanna go have a smoke and take a shower first
05:40 <AB> ok u go do that i wanna seeu naked anyway
05:41 <anjori> no, you really don
05:41 <anjori> t
05:41 <AB> why?
05:41 <AB> i kno what u look like
05:41 <anjori> naked? :-X
05:41 <AB> i wanna see the curvature
05:42 * AB is in a fiesty mood and prolly shouldnt be here
05:43 * AB blames psymon >.<
05:44 <anjori> uh-oh, i /think/ i got it to take off, but it's just spinning in circles
05:44 <Vanhayes> I flew mine for a while but then I somehow got rid of the guages and started spinning
05:44 <AB> heh
05:44 <Vanhayes> all you really have to do is throttle up then pull up
05:45 * anjori is still trying to figure out how to control things
05:45 <Vanhayes> heh time for the f-16
05:45 <anjori> and it was super dark, so i couldnt see the interior
05:46 <Vanhayes> pg up is throttle up and right click is to yoggle mouse control
05:46 <Vanhayes> toggle*
05:46 <Vanhayes> wow its multiplayer
05:47 <anjori> heh. i cant even get it started
05:48 <anjori> and page up does nothing
05:48 <anjori> ah well. i need a shower. back in a bit.
05:48 <Vanhayes> what were you flying?
05:49 -!- AB is now known as Lizz
06:02 <spidey> O.o
06:04 <Vanhayes> #g 30000 feet in miles
06:04 <armabot> 30,000 feet = 5.68181818 miles
06:04 <luke-jr_> #g 40 acres in miles
06:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:04 <luke-jr_> #g 40 acres in square miles
06:04 <armabot> 40 acres = 0.0625 square miles
06:04 <luke-jr_> hm
06:04 <Vanhayes> #180 acres in square miles
06:04 <Vanhayes> #g 180 acres in square miles
06:04 <armabot> 180 acres = 0.28125 square miles
06:04 <luke-jr_> #g 1 square mile in acres
06:05 <armabot> 1 (square mile) = 640 acres
06:05 <Vanhayes> wo
06:05 <Vanhayes> how high is it untill you reach orbit?
06:05 <Vanhayes> 100 miles?
06:05 <luke-jr_> dunno
06:05 <luke-jr_> my dad just bought 40 acres
06:06 <Vanhayes> #g 40 acres in $
06:06 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:06 <Vanhayes> heh
06:06 <Vanhayes> thats pretty expensive
06:07 <luke-jr_> i imagine
06:14 <spidey> and acres is $1000
06:14 <spidey> might be higher or lower other places
06:15 <luke-jr_> I imagine it ranges a lot
06:16 <luke-jr_> eg, more expensive in dense cities
06:16 <spidey> ya
06:16 * anjori is more expensive in dense cities
06:16 <spidey> manwhore
06:16 <spidey> ;D
06:17 <spidey> mmm
06:17 <spidey> i wonder
06:17 <luke-jr_> don't
06:17 * anjori tastes the wonder
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06:18 <luke-jr_> lol
06:18 <anjori> how appropriate
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: don't be a cheat
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06:21 * Lucifer_arma laughs, people playing flightgear
06:21 <spidey> that didn'tt work
06:31 <anjori> what's so funny about me playing flightgear?
06:31 <anjori> other than the fact i can't play it
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I got a chuckle from putting the link, giving a blurb, and then leaving to cook dinner/install windowshades, etc, and coming back and seeing people playing flightgear
06:32 <anjori> as i said, i'm very impressionable :P
06:35 <Vanhayes> heh I got up to 30000 feet in the f-16 then cut the engine just to see what would happen
06:36 <anjori> and what happened?
06:37 <Vanhayes> well I tried to glide it down easily at first but that didnt work too wel it started spinning and dropped like a stone
06:37 <Vanhayes> hit the ground and it start to buzz
06:38 <Lizz> pfft
06:39 * Lizz slaps looceee
06:40 <Lizz> spider?
06:40 <Vanhayes> #poke spidey
06:40 <Vanhayes> #echo I don't have a pointy stick....
06:40 <armabot> I don't have a pointy stick....
06:41 <Lizz> dont poke him.. kick him btwn his 8 hairy legs :D
06:41 <spidey> ?
06:41 <Vanhayes> dont think any guy would want to cause that type of pain to another
06:42 <Lizz> heh
06:42 <Lizz> i kno.. im just in a vicious mood
06:42 <anjori> hmm, someone posted a topic in this atheist group that makes me feel like i should be stoned before pondering.
06:42 <anjori> "That one Law topic reminded me of a legal paradox I thought of.
06:42 <anjori> In the rare case of the birth of conjoined twins (Siamese twins) that aren't seperated at birth and do live to be over 18, what would be the legality of this scenario?
06:42 <anjori> One side of the twin attempts murder on the other side. They do tend to share the same organs so one side makes an assault on the head of the other twin in an attempt to kill the brain. That twin is clearly guilty.
06:42 <anjori> Could the law even find that twin guilty, even though they are joined as one body? How could the law possibly punish one twin with a jail sentence and punish the victim as well?"
06:42 <Lizz> o.O
06:42 * spidey slaps Lizz
06:43 * Lizz kisses spider
06:43 <Vanhayes> they would probly change them with attempted suicide
06:43 <Lizz> if they share organs.. wouldnt the murder twin die... if so.. isnt it suicide?
06:44 <Lizz> gmta vanners
06:44 * Vanhayes points up
06:44 * Lizz points down
06:44 <Lizz> :P
06:44 * Vanhayes points something
06:45 * Lizz dosent have a pointer like u lot
06:45 <Vanhayes> heh
06:45 <Lizz> :P
06:45 <Lizz> ooh
06:45 <Lizz> wait
06:45 <Lizz> i have great white pointers
06:45 <Lizz> O.O
06:45 <Lizz> or maybe thats just an aussie term
06:45 <Lizz> :/
06:46 <Vanhayes> probly, seeing as I dont know what that means
06:46 <Vanhayes> great white is cheap liqour here
06:46 <Lizz> means hard nipples here
06:46 <Vanhayes> Ha
06:46 * Lizz blinks
06:46 <spidey> O.o
06:47 <Lizz> LOL nearly spat my coffee out
06:47 <Lizz> do u always have these sorts of convos inhere?
06:48 <spidey> no
06:48 <Lizz> oh
06:48 <spidey> besides Vanhayes you're the only other girl that comes in here
06:48 * Lizz shutsup then
06:48 <Lizz> no way... no other females?? O.O
06:48 <Lizz> ur joking
06:48 <Vanhayes> im not a girl....
06:48 <spidey> well,fonkay drops in sometimes
06:48 <spidey> but yea that's about it
06:48 <anjori> to rant for a few minutes, and then leaves
06:49 <Lizz> i kno that.. spider just says that to hide the fact that he is actually one
06:49 <Vanhayes> damn canadians
06:49 * Vanhayes shakes his head
06:49 <spidey> lies
06:49 <Lizz> u got good syrup tho
06:49 <Vanhayes> truth, we all know it
06:49 <anjori> they're such eh'holes
06:49 <Lizz> and anj id hot
06:49 <Lizz> is*
06:49 * anjori has no idea what you're talking about
06:49 * Lizz humps anj just coz
06:50 <spidey> RUN ANJORI RUUUUUUUUUUUN
06:50 * Lizz slaps spider down
06:50 <Vanhayes> I Need Food.
06:50 <Vanhayes> brb
06:50 <Lizz> hb
06:50 <anjori> why run? you just do the same thing you do when a dog humps your leg..
06:50 <Lizz> if ur game lmao
06:50 <Lizz> o.O
06:50 <spidey> hah,i'ma change my host for lizz
06:50 <spidey> brb
06:51 * Lizz gets off anj
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06:51 <Lizz> hb
06:51 <anjori> pfft. no one wanted to know what that was.
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06:51 <Lizz> i dont u inferred me as a dog lol
06:51 <Lizz> wb
06:51 <spidey> ;D
06:51 <anjori> you put it down :P
06:51 <spidey> i=spidey@touch.me.im.whoreknee.org
06:51 <spidey> O.o
06:52 * Lizz lies down in the corner
06:52 <anjori> oh, i bet my drink is cold enough now. brb.
06:53 <Lizz> hb
06:53 <Vanhayes> hmm the only thing in the house to eat was a very old bagel and half a thing of yogurt that is frozen
06:54 <Lizz> o.O
06:54 <Lizz> erm
06:54 <spidey> anyone know of any good movies
06:54 <Lizz> u can share my roast beef if u want
06:54 <spidey> Vanhayes, you're exluded
06:54 <anjori> yes
06:55 <Lizz> omg anj
06:55 <Vanhayes> sure send it over
06:55 <Lizz> watch dark hours
06:55 <Lizz> ed*
06:55 <spidey> mm
06:55 <Vanhayes> why am I excluded?
06:55 <spidey> ?
06:55 <anjori> you like?
06:55 <spidey> o.o
06:55 <Lizz> i did was an annoying ending tho.. lol.. i wanted to watch more of it and it just stopped
06:55 <spidey> hey anjori
06:56 <spidey> you want a bnc account? ;x
06:56 <anjori> no
06:56 <spidey> lahl
06:56 <anjori> i know. i love movies with mindfuck endings, but they still piss me off
06:56 <Lizz> i guess it was all in her head tho.. good movie
06:56 <anjori> yeah
06:56 <Lizz> :)
06:56 <Lizz> the others u said i cant get :(
06:57 <spidey> anjori, name some movies!
06:57 <anjori> i don't even remember what else i mentioned
06:57 <Lizz> dark hours
06:57 <Lizz> may the I inside
06:57 <Lizz> suicide club
06:57 <Vanhayes> spidey: new ones or any movie?
06:57 <anjori> oh, right
06:57 <anjori> all fucked up as well
06:57 <spidey> new ones
06:57 <anjori> as i'm sure you expect from me by now
06:58 <Lizz> its a bugga i cant get them :((
06:58 <spidey> i've seen ALOT of movies
06:58 <anjori> DONNIE DARKO
06:58 <spidey> seen it
06:58 <Lizz> u give me great movies anj
06:58 <Lizz> oh anj i found a chick from vancouver for u
06:58 <spidey> darkhours downloading
06:58 <anjori> uh-oh
06:58 <Lizz> :D
06:58 <anjori> age?
06:58 <Lizz> 19 i think
06:59 <anjori> oh, too old.
06:59 <spidey> LOL
06:59 <Lizz> lmao
06:59 <Vanhayes> ....
06:59 <anjori> haha. joking. :P
06:59 <Lizz> shes a tronner rofl
06:59 <spidey> o.O
06:59 <anjori> kelly?
06:59 <Lizz> oh u kno her?
06:59 <Vanhayes> ahahaa
06:59 <anjori> she's 18, i think. and i talked to her once.
06:59 <anjori> she actually lives in edmonton now
07:00 <Lizz> oh really?
07:00 <anjori> apparently we both went to the same elementary school.
07:00 <Lizz> O.O
07:00 <spidey> lol
07:00 <Lizz> she always been in canada?
07:00 <anjori> i think so
07:00 <anjori> we only talked once
07:00 <Lizz> she in college there?
07:01 <anjori> while playing. which is difficult.
07:01 <anjori> no idea
07:01 <Lizz> sounds perfect for u
07:01 <anjori> what, because she's a girl that plays tron? :P
07:01 <Lizz> in canada :P
07:01 <spidey> ahah
07:01 <anjori> touche.
07:01 <Lizz> oops
07:02 <anjori> pinging me, miss?
07:02 <spidey> ping me :)
07:02 <spidey> lol
07:02 <Lizz> lol wrong thingy
07:03 <Lizz> dunno what things mean so i just do it lol
07:03 <spidey> i like the response people get when they ping me ;x
07:04 <spidey> lol
07:04 <Lizz> :D
07:04 <spidey> O.o
07:04 <spidey> no chatting
07:04 <spidey> lol
07:04 <Lizz> lmao what is it?
07:04 <spidey> 'uno
07:04 <Lizz> answer it
07:05 <spidey> dunno how
07:05 <spidey> O.o
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07:05 <Lizz> o.O
07:05 <Lizz> u dont
07:05 <Lizz> hiya deja
07:05 * Lizz throws a bag of nuts over to deja
07:05 <Lizz> says waiting for acknowledgement
07:06 <spidey> O.o
07:06 * Lizz nods
07:09 <spidey> tree called me bug boy :(
07:10 <Lizz> heh
07:10 * anjori is listening to The Raconteurs - Steady As She Goes
07:10 <Lizz> tell him ull climb up his trunk and bite him
07:10 * [Xpert]DarkStar yawns
07:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
07:10 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
07:11 <Lizz> morning darkstar
07:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning Lizz
07:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> omg what a night... didn't sleep more than like 5 hours :(
07:12 <Lizz> well u can start again here.. its on 3 15pm
07:12 <Lizz> only*
07:12 <Lizz> god i need spell check :/
07:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 7:15 am here
07:13 <Lizz> germany?
07:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> switzerland
07:13 <Lizz> oh nicce :)
07:13 <Lizz> -c
07:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
07:13 <Lizz> been to zurich but thats about all
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07:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's like an hour of train ride away from here
07:14 <Lizz> cool.. i travelled around on eurail.. so saw countryside :)
07:14 <Lizz> ooh and went to berne
07:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cool
07:15 <Lizz> saw the bears.. dunno if they still keep them tho
07:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i think they do
07:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not sure tho
07:15 <Lizz> awww
07:15 <Lizz> they were cute
07:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i haven't seen them myself
07:15 <Lizz> i remember them being in this huge.. ummm pit in the sqaure in the city
07:16 <Lizz> it will of changed since i was there tho :)
07:17 <Lizz> was a beautiful country.. like austrai
07:17 <Lizz> austria*
07:17 * Lizz daydreams
07:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you know why switzerland is better than austria?
07:17 <Lizz> ?
07:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> because we got a plus on our flag
07:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they got a minus
07:18 <Lizz> lol
07:18 <Lizz> spectacular place
07:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm proud of my home
07:19 <Lizz> i can imagine
07:20 <Lizz> i guess every place has good points.. and bad... most countries have something special to them
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07:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> probably
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07:20 <anjori> my country's cool because we allow penguins to run around on our streets
07:20 <Lizz> and we allow roos :P
07:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anjori: where u from?
07:21 <anjori> canadia
07:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh cool
07:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and you Lizz?
07:21 <Lizz> australia
07:22 <anjori> where the water turns the other way
07:22 <Lizz> :P
07:22 <Lizz> and koalas drop on u
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07:22 <Lizz> hi zman
07:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is it true that australian women are beautiful?
07:22 <z-man> morning
07:22 <z-man> yawn
07:22 <Lizz> LOL
07:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning z
07:22 * spidey pokes z-man
07:23 <anjori> i hear they're really kinky
07:23 <Lizz> dunno if id call us that :/
07:23 <Lizz> kinky yes
07:23 <spidey> LOL
07:23 * Lizz smacks spider
07:23 <spidey> o.o
07:23 <Lizz> ive been told we have strange accents lol
07:24 <spidey> you do
07:24 <anjori> mm, strawberry vodka mushakes fucking rock
07:24 <Lizz> i dont
07:24 <anjori> do
07:24 <spidey> do too
07:24 <spidey> see
07:24 <Lizz> dont
07:24 <spidey> out numbered...you lose
07:24 <Lizz> i dont have any accent
07:24 <spidey> do to
07:24 <Lizz> not
07:24 <Lizz> u do
07:24 <spidey> nope
07:24 <anjori> she's beneath us in the world. she already loses
07:24 <Lizz> u sound like a hillbilly spider
07:24 <spidey> LOL
07:25 <anjori> that is true :P
07:25 <Lizz> yeah anj.. down low just where u like us
07:25 <spidey> o.O
07:25 <spidey> ahah
07:25 * [Xpert]DarkStar enjoys the show
07:25 <anjori> well, then tell australia to give us a reacharound already
07:25 <Lizz> we ass kiss u all enuff >.<
07:26 <Lizz> prolly the only height we can reach o.o
07:26 <spidey> lkol
07:26 <spidey> ohhh
07:26 <anjori> you have to so that we allow you to stay on the map ;)
07:26 <Lizz> rofl
07:26 * spidey sets a teamspeak server up on webserver
07:26 * anjori already has a teamspeak server running
07:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ugghh... teamspeak... nasty
07:27 * Lizz wont talk
07:27 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, noone asked you!
07:27 * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar
07:27 <spidey> ;x
07:27 <anjori> why not?
07:27 * [Xpert]DarkStar shreds spidey with a chainsaw
07:27 <Lizz> coz u make fun of me accent :P
07:27 <spidey> o.o
07:27 <anjori> no, i loove aussie accents!
07:27 <Lizz> stihl 090 i hope
07:28 <Lizz> with a 5foot bar :D
07:28 <Lizz> ugh.. got meeting tonite >.<
07:29 * Lizz waxes spiders 8 legs just for the hell of it
07:29 <anjori> yeah, and then what are you doing once we're finished?
07:29 <Lizz> rolling over and starting again anj
07:32 <anjori> wow, that pig sty server is nuts
07:33 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
07:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
07:33 <Vanhayes> stupid thing
07:33 <Lizz> its fun i like it
07:33 <Vanhayes> OBEY ME
07:33 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
07:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
07:33 <Lizz> heh
07:33 <Vanhayes> meh
07:34 * anjori just went in there for the first time to see what you guys were talking about earlier
07:34 <Vanhayes> Ya i missed that pig sty server it was very fun
07:34 <spidey> anjori, join your server ;p
07:34 <Vanhayes> it was up way back around christmas
07:34 <anjori> spidey: why would i do such a thing?
07:35 <spidey> cause it's yours?
07:35 <anjori> if lizz cums
07:35 <spidey> she does everynight
07:35 <spidey> now get on :p
07:35 <anjori> that whore
07:35 <spidey> lol
07:35 <Lizz> :o
07:35 * anjori is listening to the best band ever right now
07:35 <spidey> haha
07:36 <anjori> see, mouth open and everything
07:36 * spidey wonders if you can play tron with teamspeak now
07:36 <spidey> o.o
07:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anjori: best band ever? talking about gamma ray?
07:36 <anjori> no :P
07:36 * Lizz pins anj's name to her voodoo doll
07:36 <anjori> i can play tron with teamspeak. just don't get any sound from tron :(
07:37 <anjori> bloody thing takes over my sound
07:37 <Lizz> get on ta anj
07:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anjori: so what are you listening to?
07:37 <Lizz> ts*
07:37 <anjori> fine, fine. but i'm gonna have a smoke and grab a drink first
07:37 <anjori> [Xpert]DarkStar: mindless self indulgence
07:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should i know them?
07:37 <anjori> probably not :P
07:37 <anjori> they're very, um... "different"
07:38 <anjori> genre has been referred to as "industrial jungle pussy punk"
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> how can you listen to that shit?
07:38 <anjori> i'm just still on an MSI kick cause i saw them in concert a couple weeks ago and it was an aswesome fucking show
07:38 * Lucifer_arma feels nauseous just reading the name
07:39 <anjori> heh
07:39 <anjori> not everyone's cup of tea, i know
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:39 <anjori> anyway, brb. then i'll join you whores in teamspeak
07:39 * Lucifer_arma bangs his head in acknoledgement, then knocks anjori on his ass
07:40 <spidey> fag
07:40 <spidey> ;D
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07:43 <spidey> BABY.YOU.WANT.SOME.SEX0R.ORG
07:43 <spidey> grrr
07:43 <spidey> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
07:43 <spidey> atleast you can play it and have teamspeak running now ;D
07:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> haha
07:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> get a sound card with hw mixing
07:44 <spidey> why?
07:44 * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet you have one of these cheap ac97 onboard soundcards -.-
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... i have one of these too, can't do anything about that, but at least i'm not using it
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> instead i got my audigy 4
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> why the fuck won't gtk download right?
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> how do I reset an emerge?
07:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ctrl-c?
07:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and about the downloading problem...
07:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try emerge --sync
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> just synced a little while ago
07:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> before I started this big emerge, heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've got find running right now
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> see, it crashed and burned on gtk 2.8.somethingorother, which is kind of an important library even for kde users
07:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> crash and burn ><
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> hard drive ran out of space
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> (sorry, oo.org started and needed attention)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I made space on the hard drive and restarted, but it kept telling me the file size didn't match
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so I went into /usr/portage/distfiles and deleted the downloaded file figuring it would trigger a redownload of the file
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll just manually download it, eh?
07:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
07:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> as long as you get it from <insert favorite distfiles mirror here>
07:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh and yeah
07:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone expierienced with solaris in here?
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> not me sorry
08:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i guess i will never like that os -.-
08:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but one day i'mma learn to use it anyway
08:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'mma have to*
08:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> breakfast time
08:06 <spidey> ok
08:06 <spidey> that was gay
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08:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> back
08:46 <spidey> omg
08:47 <spidey> tron froze and gave me this in the terminal
08:47 <spidey> error : Operation in progress
08:47 <spidey> o.O
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09:37 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that can't be from tron directly, just greped the sources for it
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09:50 <z-man> #nickometer bla
09:50 <z-man> still unloaded?
09:50 <z-man> #nickometer ~?L?L?~$u|assro
09:51 <z-man> darn
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10:55 <spidey> #g 8*8
10:55 <armabot> 8 * 8 = 64
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10:56 <TitsnAss> yo
10:56 <TitsnAss> i need the bugfarm fortress settings
10:56 <TitsnAss> the custom config file
10:56 <TitsnAss> anyone know where i can get it?
10:57 <spidey> include examples/cvs_test/fortresscomplete.cfg
10:57 <spidey> include examples/cvs_test/fortress_complete.cfg
10:57 <TitsnAss> yes
10:57 <spidey> that's the settings
10:57 <TitsnAss> but how bout
10:57 <TitsnAss> how botu the team mode and stuff
10:57 <TitsnAss> and the ais
10:57 <TitsnAss> and all those settings
10:58 <spidey> it's all in fortress complete
10:58 <spidey> :)
10:58 <TitsnAss> i linked to fortress complete
10:58 <TitsnAss> already
10:58 <TitsnAss> and those settings didn't work
10:58 <spidey> then you got the default fortress settings
10:58 <TitsnAss> oh ok
10:58 <TitsnAss> i'll try it later
10:58 <TitsnAss> thaks
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10:59 * spidey thinks he put the path wrong
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14:26 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu_
14:26 <wrtlprnft> poor guy
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:27 <deja_vu_> yes
14:27 <deja_vu_> poor me :(
14:27 <spidey> it doesn't work for me :/
14:27 <spidey> #herald help
14:27 <spidey> #help herald
14:27 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no command "herald".
14:27 <spidey> ?
14:27 <wrtlprnft> #list herald
14:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, change, default, get, and remove
14:27 <wrtlprnft> #plugin help herald
14:28 <spidey> #plugin herald
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #herald get wrtlprnft
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: deja_vu: deja_vu_
14:28 <spidey> #help plugin
14:28 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:28 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no command "plugin".
14:28 <spidey> lol
14:28 <spidey> #herald get spidey
14:28 <armabot> spidey: wrtlprnft
14:28 <spidey> ...
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14:28 * spidey slaps armabot
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #herald change wrtlprnft spidey: pwnt
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'spidey: pwnt' is not a valid regular expression.
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #help herald add
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (herald add [<channel>] <user|nick> <msg>) -- Sets the herald message for <user> (or the user <nick|hostmask> is currently identified or recognized as) to <msg>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
14:29 <wrtlprnft> #herald change wrtlprnft "spidey: pwnt"
14:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'spidey: pwnt' is not a valid regular expression.
14:29 <wrtlprnft> #herald add wrtlprnft "spidey: pwnt"
14:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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14:29 <spidey> lol
14:29 <wrtlprnft> :S
14:29 <spidey> #herald add #armagetron spidey deja_vu_ deja_vu
14:29 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
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14:30 <spidey> !?
14:30 * spidey thinks herald is broken
14:30 <spidey> :(
14:30 * deja_vu_ thinks spidey is suicidal >:(
14:30 <spidey> ahah
14:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/
14:30 <wrtlprnft> and that from our standards guy
14:31 <spidey> This page is not Valid (no Doctype found)!
14:31 <madmax|pt> haha
14:31 <madmax|pt> w3c owns even small pages
14:32 <spidey> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.fallin-angels.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&No200=1
14:32 <spidey> lol?
14:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: those are valid errors
14:34 <wrtlprnft> if it's a HTML page, don't put <... />
14:35 <wrtlprnft> in HTML <strong /hi there</strong> is a valid construct, as is <br/
14:35 <spidey> that thing's a damn lie
14:35 <spidey> there's nothing on line 22
14:35 <spidey> :)
14:35 <wrtlprnft> but as the / already closes the tag the > after that is really text (although no browser sees it that way), which is not allowed in the <head> section
14:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: yes there is
14:36 <spidey> no there's not
14:36 <wrtlprnft> yes
14:36 <spidey> no...
14:36 <wrtlprnft> the <head> tag got auto- closed
14:36 <wrtlprnft> read the specifications on it
14:36 <spidey> index.php is nothing more than php
14:37 <wrtlprnft> it's getting served as text/html
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14:38 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah
14:38 <spidey> that's my index.php
14:38 <wrtlprnft> yes
14:38 <wrtlprnft> that's a script
14:38 <spidey> ya
14:39 <wrtlprnft> apache runs it and serves the output as text/html
14:39 <spidey> so blame apache?
14:39 <wrtlprnft> no
14:39 <wrtlprnft> blame the script
14:39 <wrtlprnft> apache does the right thing
14:40 <wrtlprnft> Content-Type: text/html
14:40 <wrtlprnft> that's what your server sais
14:41 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/92286
14:43 <spidey> still
14:43 <spidey> nothing on line 22
14:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/valid.htm
14:44 <wrtlprnft> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/valid.htm
14:44 <wrtlprnft> note how this is valid
14:45 <wrtlprnft> the <head> tag can get closed without actually having a </head> around
14:45 <wrtlprnft> so it got closed earier, completely valid
14:45 <wrtlprnft> and then there's a </head> too much, and that's where the error is
14:46 <wrtlprnft> so the validator is right about this
14:46 <wrtlprnft> infact it got closed by the first <link /> tag
14:47 <wrtlprnft> as there's a >, which doesn't belong there, but it closes the <head> and implicitly starts <body>. This whole dirty issue is the reason why xhtml was introduced in the first place
14:48 <spidey> hahaha
14:48 <spidey> my old page
14:49 <spidey> i had on spider.distortednetworkd.com
14:49 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/ct.html?u=http%3a%2f%2fpagead2.googlesyndication.com%2fpagead%2ficlk%3fsa%3dl%26ai%3dBvkZaNCq-RPDnI4rS4AKR4qGDDP-VuBHP2ZbjAcCNtwGw_PUBEAIYAiD297IDKApImzlQuonDyPr_____AZgBksaOJrIBFWRpc3RvcnRlZG5ldHdvcmtzLmNvbcgBAdoBKGh0dHA6Ly9kaXN0b3J0ZWRuZXR3b3Jrcy5jb20vLTUzNjkxODk2M2SVAg9dWAqpAlx8145MAbU-yALfz1Q%26num%3d2%26adurl%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fad.doubleclick.net%2fclk%253B34961224%253B12861562%253Bf%253Fhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.ie.edu%2fesp
14:49 <spidey> %2fprogramas%2fgc_mba%2fgc_mba_overview.asp%26client%3dca-dp-godaddy2_xml&e=Wzp9AGNmWzD9WzZ9ZvMcCJcdnv52pv5lpJtyZaA0pUciovMyCFMhCIE5Lz9hrFgDLac6nTS2M3MlMvgnG04=-1
14:49 <spidey> O.o
14:49 <spidey> that's a bit longer than i thought
14:49 <wrtlprnft> err
14:50 <wrtlprnft> can you put that in a pastebin iw I'm supposed to click on it?
14:50 <spidey> i have a site that doesn't have tables to css
14:50 <spidey> ;D
14:50 <spidey> a layout anyways
14:51 <wrtlprnft> doesn't have tables to css?
14:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf does that mean?
14:51 <spidey> tables or css
14:51 <spidey> you know what i ment :|
14:51 <wrtlprnft> no
14:51 <wrtlprnft> well, it's easy to do that
14:51 <spidey> it's div and iframes
14:51 <wrtlprnft> infact, there's many pages without tables or css
14:51 <spidey> O.o
14:52 <wrtlprnft> great, that's even worse
14:52 <spidey> lol?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> but div is worthless without CSS
14:52 <spidey> well
14:52 <spidey> if i could find it
14:52 <spidey> i think i lost it in my last format
14:52 <wrtlprnft> good!
14:52 <spidey> it might have had a little css
14:52 <spidey> not
14:53 <spidey> if i wasn't lazy i'd make more layout
14:53 <spidey> but i'm lazy
14:56 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index1.php
14:56 <spidey> i think i made that
14:56 <spidey> not sure
14:56 <spidey> it's in my \old dir
14:58 <spidey> <tr bordercolor="black" align="top">
14:58 <spidey> how is that not valid?
15:04 <spidey> #time
15:04 <armabot> spidey: 08:05 AM, July 19, 2006
15:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: bordercolor is not a valid attribute?
15:13 * wrtlprnft suggests that spidey should read the w3 docs
15:14 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/
15:15 <wrtlprnft> specifically http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html -- just do a search for "bordercolor" in that page
15:21 <spidey> i'll pass
15:21 <spidey> it works
15:22 <spidey> how i do it
15:22 <spidey> so i'll keep doing it ;d
15:22 <wrtlprnft> well
15:23 <spidey> and
15:23 <spidey> border color is valid
15:23 <wrtlprnft> it works to rob a bank, so one should keep doing it
15:23 <spidey> it outlines a table
15:23 <wrtlprnft> bodercolor is NOT a HTML 4.1 attribute
15:23 <spidey> it only works if the robber can outsmart the security system
15:23 <spidey> well,good for it ;D
15:23 <wrtlprnft> border-color is a valid CSS attribut tho
15:24 <wrtlprnft> and browsers have no need to keep supporting it
15:24 <wrtlprnft> any newer browser version could remove support for these attributes without notice
15:25 <spidey> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwrtlprnft.ath.cx&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&No200=1
15:25 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/sumo_1v1-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
15:25 <spidey> one to talk :)
15:25 <spidey> whoo?
15:26 <spidey> the bot talks? O.o
15:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://augenkrebs.de.vu/ isn't my site
15:26 <wrtlprnft> I'm just redirecting to it
15:26 <spidey> ...
15:27 <wrtlprnft> spidey: the bot is announcing new resources for quite some time now
15:27 <wrtlprnft> and it's supposed to announce commits as well, but Lucifer_arma broke it
15:27 <spidey> lol
15:40 <wrtlprnft>
15:40 <wrtlprnft> oops
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16:17 <spidey> #night
16:17 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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18:11 <Brooky> Hi
18:11 <Brooky> zman
18:11 <Brooky> anyprogress with the ping situation?
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18:23 <Brooky> my single player highscores dont seem to be working
18:23 <Brooky> the never update for some reason
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19:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/ looks fine to me
19:14 <Brooky> what are you on about?
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19:24 <Dominique> hi there ;)
19:25 <Dominique> is there anyone online who's familar with bugfarm-fortress-settings?
19:25 <nemostultae> They are included with the game.
19:27 <Dominique> someone asked me to set up a server with a special behavior. he told me that players are automatically logged in as spectators on bugfarm
19:27 <Dominique> i didnt see this in the examples
19:31 <nemostultae> Maybe that is a feature of the not-yet released version 0.2.8.3
19:31 <nemostultae> Let me check the NEWS file.
19:32 <Dominique> thanks nemo
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19:37 <nemostultae> hmm, can'
19:37 <nemostultae> can't find anything about it.
19:38 <Dominique> hmmm. weird
19:38 <nemostultae> You should ask on the forum, z-man will know
19:39 <Dominique> thx. anyway.
19:39 <Dominique> scya
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19:43 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: IIRC, there's a setting to have players autojoin teams (or not)
19:45 <nemostultae> #armaconfig AUTO
19:45 <armabot> nemostultae: AUTO_AIS: Automatically spawn AI players? || AUTO_INCAM_1: Automatically switch to internal camera in a maze || AUTO_INCAM_2: Automatically switch to internal camera in a maze || AUTO_INCAM_3: Automatically switch to internal camera in a maze || AUTO_INCAM_4: Automatically switch to internal camera in a maze || AUTO_IQ: Automatically adjust AI IQ? || AUTO_TEAM: Flag (3 more messages)
19:46 <nemostultae> #more
19:46 <armabot> nemostultae: indicating whether players should be put into teams automatically. || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_FACTOR: Autoban players for NETWORK_AUTOBAN_FACTOR * ( kph - NETWORK_AUTOBAN_OFFSET ) minutes when they get kicked; kph is the average number of kicks per hour they get. || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_MAX_KPH: Maximal value of the kicks per hour; larger values are smoothly clamped. || (2 more messages)
19:46 <nemostultae> AUTO_TEAM is it.
19:46 <nemostultae> too bad he left.
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19:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: hehe, fixed it
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21:59 <joda_bot> #notes
21:59 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, SuPeRTaRD, and unknown.
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22:40 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: as I mentioned a while ago, I often leave out doctype bs =p
22:40 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Image:Brackets.jpg
22:40 <wrtlprnft> great.
22:41 <wrtlprnft> now we're gonna upload a new image for every played round?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> > All battles will be made in ITW SERVER
22:42 <wrtlprnft> and that one will be <where>?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> ever thought about advantages through lag?
22:43 <luke-jr_> yes
22:43 <wrtlprnft> not you
22:44 <wrtlprnft> lod/ady/lucifer/whatever that idiot is called
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22:50 <Vanhayes> not to mention the last time i went there the fortress conquer rate was at least twice the normal fortress
22:52 * joda_bot thinks he's not that bad, but you might need a special way to talk to him
22:53 <Vanhayes> him and skip have to be the most arrogant people in the game ive met
22:53 <Vanhayes> dont like either that much
22:56 <wrtlprnft> i have to admit that the colors are a great part of the annoyance, too
22:56 <Vanhayes> yes
22:56 <Vanhayes> that red is very hard to see on my monitor for some reason
22:58 <wrtlprnft> I'd really like a way to be able to disable colors just in chat, but I'm afraid it would have to be server- side
22:58 <wrtlprnft> ie the name should still be colored, but nothing else
22:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: eh, where is the problem ?
22:59 <joda_bot> just apply the color filter stuff on the client side ?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> no, i want the nick to be colored
23:00 <wrtlprnft> just the text the user actually said
23:00 <joda_bot> same ? ;)
23:01 <wrtlprnft> no
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23:01 <wrtlprnft> the client doesn't know what part is the actual message and what part is just the nick etc
23:02 <wrtlprnft> so if someone sends a team message all the client gets is something like this:
23:02 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: oh ok
23:02 <wrtlprnft> 0xff8888Player 10xffff88 --> Teammates: 0x12345678someannoyingcoloredtext
23:02 <joda_bot> you could just get the player's name and skip the number of charactes of his colored player name ;)
23:03 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't work with /me messages
23:03 <wrtlprnft> > Alliance 1 (Austria, Canada, France and Netherlands)
23:04 <wrtlprnft> >Alliance 2 (Switzerland, Portugal, Poland, Mexico, Italy)
23:04 <madmax|pt> erm
23:04 <wrtlprnft> those aren't exactly close geograhically...
23:04 <madmax|pt> thats what i thought
23:04 <madmax|pt> and he didnt even ask
23:04 <Vanhayes> think that might have been xevi
23:04 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:04 <joda_bot> perhaps they are close in his map of the world ;)
23:04 <Vanhayes> lol
23:05 <wrtlprnft> they're all close if you look at it from mars
23:05 <wrtlprnft> or why would he write red all the time?
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23:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14084&oldid=14076
23:06 <wrtlprnft> it was lodadyluciferlamenick
23:08 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I hope I never anger you to make you talk that way about me :-)
23:08 <wrtlprnft> nah, you won't
23:08 <wrtlprnft> it's just that I'm a bit stressed today
23:09 <Vanhayes> hmm at the very least the could have put canada and mexico together seeing as they are on the same continant
23:09 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:10 <wrtlprnft> and portugal too as it's the closest to the two
23:10 <Vanhayes> ya
23:11 <Vanhayes> meh, Go NAFTA
23:11 <joda_bot> perhaps it's language correspondence ? ;)
23:11 <joda_bot> and he checked which languages everybody is speaking :-P
23:11 <wrtlprnft> well
23:11 <joda_bot> or being able to speak once the tournament starts ;)
23:11 <wrtlprnft> then why are france and swizerland on different teams?
23:12 <joda_bot> :-)
23:12 <joda_bot> no idea
23:12 <wrtlprnft> i mean, swizerland speaks at least partly french
23:12 <joda_bot> canada too ;)
23:12 <Vanhayes> and what do they speak in netherlands and austria?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> austria is german
23:12 <wrtlprnft> *speaks german
23:12 <wrtlprnft> and dutch sounds somewhat like it
23:13 <wrtlprnft> or reads
23:13 * Vanhayes speaks english and garbaled french
23:13 <wrtlprnft> je ne parle pas le francais
23:14 <Vanhayes> what really makes no sense is that the stacked alliance 2 with 9 people but alliance one only has 6
23:14 <Vanhayes> what is The french?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> scratch the le
23:14 <Vanhayes> lol
23:14 <wrtlprnft> toldya, i don't speak it :P
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's because he originally put you and me on alliance one and NAFTA and lacka removed us from allicance one
23:16 <Vanhayes> o ya forgot bout that
23:16 <wrtlprnft> this is gonna end in chaos
23:17 <wrtlprnft> at least i have no trouble playing at 9PM
23:18 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler 2.6.17.6 #1 Tue Jul 18 18:58:40 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i hope that's the last kernel update I'll need in a while...
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php?dfgs
23:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 01:47:43 up 1:19, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.04
23:20 <wrtlprnft> :((((((((((((
23:20 <wrtlprnft> 1 hour 20 minutes
23:21 <joda_bot> rss news feed for one PC's up time ?
23:21 <joda_bot> *g*
23:21 <joda_bot> btw. did your beloved friend Ady provide the sources for his Windows map rotator ?
23:22 <joda_bot> I tried to coax him into it... but so far I haven't seen them
23:23 <wrtlprnft> I'd never run a binary from some guy on some forums without compiling it myseld after glancing at the code
23:23 <wrtlprnft> *myself
23:23 <wrtlprnft> and no, he didn't, afaik
23:23 <joda_bot> That's what I tried to tell him ;)
23:23 <wrtlprnft> well
23:24 <wrtlprnft> there's enough people who would do that
23:24 <wrtlprnft> on a server, mind that
23:24 <joda_bot> But I noticed that I'm more careful on Windows than on other OSs
23:24 <joda_bot> though I can't remember getting a binary for another OS ;)
23:24 <joda_bot> except OpenOffice for gentoo :-P
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, opera is in binary form, and the nvidia drivers are
23:24 <wrtlprnft> and the ipw2200 firmware
23:25 <wrtlprnft> oh, and you need some binary toolchain at least to build gentoo
23:25 <joda_bot> right nvidia drivers ;)
23:25 <wrtlprnft> but that's all trusted sources
23:25 <joda_bot> which you can rebuild by unchecked source code ;)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> if they'd put troyans there it would be noticed pretty soon
23:26 <joda_bot> OH no, my PC is hopelessly insecure, I've not read all the Gentoo source codes ;)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:26 <wrtlprnft> did you disassemble and understand all windows code?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> I think that would be more work ;)
23:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: actually, the vuln would need to be in GCC
23:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:28 <luke-jr_> a trojan
23:28 <luke-jr_> it'd need to be in GCC so it could replicate into a new GCC
23:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't
23:29 <luke-jr_> thus, the GCC sources could be clean
23:29 <luke-jr_> but the compiler injects trojan code when compiling it
23:29 <wrtlprnft> any file can install a cronjob or something
23:31 <luke-jr_> but you can look at the source to check for trojans
23:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> if you have a binary of, say, ls
23:32 <anjori> re: world tournament: with these alliances being nowhere near each other, i wonder why it's a "world" tournament in the first place, and why there was a such a fuss that we created our own team
23:32 <wrtlprnft> nothing would prevent it to make a cronjob when called
23:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: except recompiling it
23:35 <Vanhayes> does anyone remember when pigsty server first came out?
23:35 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: forum post date
23:36 <Vanhayes> ya but thatll mean i have to search
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23:36 <Vanhayes> for some reason search doesnt like me
23:36 * luke-jr_ hopes he can get his hosting business going good so he can use it to support 3rd party development (eg pig sty)
23:36 <Vanhayes> hey Lizz
23:36 * Lizz blinks herself awake
23:36 <Lizz> hiya vanners
23:37 <Vanhayes> awake? what time is it there?
23:37 * Lizz goes over ~~~~~~~~~~~~~> there and makes coffee
23:37 <Lizz> umm 7 40am lol so not that early
23:38 <Lizz> i think today.. ima gonna send a PM to ev1 on the list lol
23:39 <Lizz> hmmm a mass PM would be good
23:39 <anjori> okay. well, IM me on jabber after you get banned, i guess
23:40 <Vanhayes> lol 10 am is early for me
23:40 <Lizz> not gonna send rude ones anj.. well i mite to u ;-)
23:40 * Lizz pounces on anj and humps his leg
23:42 <anjori> jesus, don't you want to wake up first?
23:42 <Lizz> nope
23:42 <Lizz> best way to start the day :D
23:43 <madmax|pt> hi Lizz
23:43 <Lizz> hiya maxeeeeee
23:43 <Lizz> wonder what will happen if i send arma bot a pm o.O
23:44 <luke-jr_> same as if you talk to him here
23:44 <Lizz> god it will hit me lmao
23:44 <Vanhayes> him?
23:44 <anjori> #echo I will kill you.
23:44 <armabot> I will kill you.
23:44 <Lizz> yay a bloodfest!
23:47 * Lizz needs to reinstall armabell
23:50 <joda_bot> anjori: just to show that some countries are lacking player's and we need a strong marketing there ;)
23:50 <joda_bot> lol
23:50 <Lizz> target AU plz :)
23:50 <joda_bot> just read up the history O.o and said that to "anjori: re: world tournament: .... why there was a such a fuss that we created our own team
23:52 <anjori> well, the U.S. wasnt lacking players
23:52 <anjori> and I wasn't going to join Canada in the first place, so it didnt change anything
23:53 <anjori> and with these insane alliances that have been formed now, seemingly arbitrarily, it makes the whole thing even more pointless
23:54 <madmax|pt> ... i agree
23:55 <Lizz> what are u all on about?
23:55 <madmax|pt> inter tron competition
23:55 <Lizz> ooooh
23:55 <Lizz> spoon/ ladle u mean?
23:56 <madmax|pt> erm
23:56 <joda_bot> no inter tron ;)
23:56 <madmax|pt> no
23:57 <Lizz> dunno about it then
23:57 <joda_bot> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup_Groups
23:57 <madmax|pt> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Inter_Tron
23:57 <joda_bot> damn madmax|pt beat me ...
23:57 <joda_bot> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
23:58 <Lizz> ooooooook
23:58 <madmax|pt> lol on my screen you beat me
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23:59 <Lizz> well nice... i dont fit anywhere.. figures
23:59 <nemostul1ae> hmm, power went out.
23:59 <Lizz> wb
23:59 <Lizz> brb
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00:12 <wrtlprnft> nemo has a nice quit message
00:12 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:12 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:12 <Lizz> wow.. the southern hemisphere dosent even exist.. oh wait.. thats right.. no ppl here >.<
00:12 <madmax|pt> g'night
00:12 <Lizz> nite max tc
00:12 <madmax|pt> erm
00:12 <madmax|pt> not me
00:12 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft
00:13 <Lizz> oh nite wrt tc
00:13 <Vanhayes> tc?
00:14 <Vanhayes> #wtf tc
00:14 <Vanhayes> ...
00:14 <Vanhayes> #help wtf
00:15 <Vanhayes> #list
00:15 <madmax|pt> doh
00:15 <Vanhayes> #echo DO SOMETHING
00:16 <Vanhayes> grr
00:16 <madmax|pt> he died
00:16 <Vanhayes> armabot wtf ct
00:16 <joda_bot> Lizz: just pick a team and play ;) does it matter in which country you live ? (except for ping difference ? )
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00:17 <Wolv> gah.. stupid thing
00:17 <Vanhayes> hello liz
00:17 <Wolv> how do i get rid of myself lma
00:17 <Wolv> o
00:17 <Vanhayes> are you registered?
00:17 <Wolv> as lizz yes
00:18 <Vanhayes> somethiing like /nick ghost lizz pasword
00:18 -!- Wolv is now known as ghost
00:18 <ghost> erm
00:18 <Vanhayes> lol
00:18 <ghost> nope
00:18 <ghost> lmao
00:18 <madmax|pt> loool
00:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: tc: nothing appropriate
00:18 <Vanhayes> /msg nickserv ghost lizz password
00:18 <ghost> tc = take care
00:18 <Vanhayes> lol
00:19 <madmax|pt> /nickserv help ghost
00:19 <Vanhayes> try that lizz
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:19 <armabot> DO SOMETHING
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: ct: nothing appropriate
00:19 <Vanhayes> wow armabot is slow
00:19 <madmax|pt> omg
00:19 <Vanhayes> haaa
00:19 <Vanhayes> #wtf wtf
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
00:20 <Vanhayes> that was like a 5 minute delay
00:20 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
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00:21 <ghost> yay
00:21 <Vanhayes> now /nick lizz
00:21 <ghost> brb
00:21 <ghost> ooh
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00:21 <Vanhayes> hello
00:21 -!- ghost is now known as Lizz
00:21 <Lizz> oooh thx vanners :D
00:21 <Lizz> hi brooky
00:21 <Vanhayes> np
00:21 <Brooky> hi
00:23 <madmax|pt> aw that ghost was cool
00:24 <Lizz> lol
00:24 <joda_bot> #night ;)
00:24 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:24 <Lizz> nite joda tc
00:24 <joda_bot> good night, all you programs ;)
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00:25 * Lizz goes to tron to annoy ppl with her ping
00:25 <Lizz> :D
00:25 <madmax|pt> oh noooo
00:26 <madmax|pt> glad im not playing
00:26 <madmax|pt> lol
00:26 <Lizz> oh hush :P
00:26 * Vanhayes is shooting people in tron
00:26 <madmax|pt> nice
00:26 <Vanhayes> shooting people and their zombies
00:27 <madmax|pt> how do you shoot people in tron?
00:27 <madmax|pt> rail gun?
00:27 <madmax|pt> BFG?
00:27 <Vanhayes> Brake
00:27 <madmax|pt> lol
00:27 <Vanhayes> lol
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00:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
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01:37 <madmax|pt> gnight
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01:41 <Lucifer_arma> if nfs built-in to the gentoo kernel?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, found nfs-utils
01:57 <Vanhayes_> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=75341#75341 hmm anyone ever try this before?
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02:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nfs is built-in to vanilla
02:09 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, u still need nfs kernel support
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02:12 <Lizz> i gotta question
02:13 <Lizz> if someone in the server has a 20 ping.. how close are they to it?
02:13 <Vanhayes> same city
02:13 <Vanhayes> usually
02:13 <Lizz> thats all?
02:13 <Vanhayes> not really sure
02:13 <Lizz> k
02:13 <Lizz> i dont often see a ping btwn 18/20 thats why i asked
02:14 <Lizz> thx :)
02:29 <luke-jr_> Lizz: usually they're in the same room
02:30 <Lizz> meaning?
02:30 <Vanhayes> they run the server
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: luke-jr_ I built with genkernel
02:31 <Lizz> O.O
02:31 <Lizz> umm
02:31 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, im sorry
02:32 <Lizz> run the server?
02:32 <Lizz> dosent make sense
02:33 <Vanhayes> what server?
02:33 <Lizz> mbcs
02:34 <Vanhayes> er
02:34 <Vanhayes> who runs that?
02:34 <Lizz> distort gaming
02:34 <Lizz> i think
02:34 <Lizz> well
02:34 <Lizz> we pay for it off them
02:34 <Lizz> i think
02:34 <Vanhayes> must have a really good connection and is a few miles away from it
02:35 <Lizz> k
02:35 <Lizz> wish i had an 18 ping
02:35 <Lizz> :/
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: sorry I built my kernel with genkernel?
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll configure it one of these days and build a custom kernel, don't worry
02:37 * Lucifer_arma just finished hanging windowshades
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want nfs to only export to my local network, anyone know how to do that?
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> it's 192.168.1.*
02:55 <luke-jr_> Lizz: how much do you guys pay them? =p
02:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: /usr/share/games/quake-data/ 192.168.77.1(ro,async,all_squash,anonuid=65534,anongid=35)
02:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: as an example
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I got it exported, I think, and mounted, and then openoffice.org borks when it tries to write to it
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> on the client, that is
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> /home/share 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync) <--- the export line
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> benedict:/home/share /home/share/home nfs defaults 0 0 <-- the mount line on the client
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03:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: don't use nfs for rw
03:17 <luke-jr_> unless you want to be cracked
03:21 <spidey> luke-jr_, don't ping me while i'm sleeping :p
03:34 <mkzelda> who is this imposter on bugfarm
03:34 <spidey> nemo
03:34 <spidey> mkzelda, ?
03:34 <mkzelda> he's playing as lol wildcat, but its not him
03:34 <spidey> dunno
03:35 <spidey> someone's in my server as spidey
03:35 <spidey> or was
03:35 <spidey> O.o
03:36 <mkzelda> this guy is causing probs
03:36 <Vanhayes> hes gone
03:37 <mkzelda> he couldnt answer what celebrity he's also known as
03:37 <mkzelda> but he did know he was from kentucky
03:38 <Vanhayes> heh he came in and started insulting his clan so that was a good sign he was fake
03:38 <Lizz> lottsa fakes aroung.. will drive u nuts trying to keep up
03:38 <Lizz> around*
03:39 <mkzelda> he was calling ppl faggots and niggers
03:39 <Lizz> :(
03:39 <Lizz> thats nasty
03:40 <Lizz> some ppl should of been slapped harder at birth >.<
03:40 <mkzelda> now they're joining as screw u lol
03:41 <Vanhayes> I dont see the appeal of impostrering someone
03:42 <mkzelda> he prolly got banned from the lol server
03:42 <mkzelda> and came over here to make a bad name for wildcat
03:42 <Lizz> nor do i.. just silly annoying idiots
03:42 <mkzelda> who is this dutch girl w/ the fast connection
03:46 <Vanhayes> hahaha FAG Vanhaynes this time
03:46 <mkzelda> VANURDEDMEAT
03:47 <mkzelda> VANUAREDEDMEAT
03:48 <Vanhayes> I love having a stalker
03:52 <spidey> dook!
03:53 <mkzelda> ya?
03:53 <mkzelda> oh shit practice tonight eh?
03:53 <spidey> ya
03:53 <spidey> 2 hours
03:53 <spidey> i think
03:53 <mkzelda> 2 hrs!
03:53 <mkzelda> ?
03:53 <mkzelda> thats 2am man
03:53 <spidey> O.o
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03:53 <spidey> where you at?
03:53 <mkzelda> eastern US
03:53 <Vanhayes> practice what?
03:53 <spidey> nah
03:54 <spidey> it's only 10pm there
03:54 <spidey> so it's 12
03:54 <spidey> :p
03:54 <Vanhayes> lol
03:54 <Vanhayes> ws gonna say im at 10- 11:00 right now and im as east as you can go in canada or US
03:54 <spidey> heh
03:55 <spidey> 9pm here
03:55 <spidey> est is 1 hour ahead of me ;d
03:55 <spidey> #time
03:55 <armabot> spidey: 08:56 PM, July 19, 2006
03:55 <Vanhayes> lol wow this guy has problems, he is still coming in and out of fort just to show his new name
03:56 <Vanhayes> and it happened about 15-30 min ago
03:56 <mkzelda> he came in as a fake LOL Wildcat, to which Vanhayes and I busted him
03:57 <mkzelda> i think i was more vocal about it but he didnt like Vanhayes for whatever reason
03:57 <Vanhayes> lol now the stalking begins it seems
03:57 <Vanhayes> heh I started tking him
03:57 <Vanhayes> he tried to kick saying I was a tker and I told him that yes I was
03:59 <spidey> wtf man
04:00 <spidey> this bullshit's getting old
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> this shit happens on more popular servers
04:00 <spidey> ?
04:01 <spidey> i can't open websites
04:01 <spidey> like
04:01 <spidey> it says it loads them
04:01 <spidey> but it doesn't
04:01 <mkzelda> wtf was that attack?
04:01 <mkzelda> Vanhayes, ?
04:01 <Vanhayes> ?
04:01 <mkzelda> that guy just drove into my wall and went right through it?
04:01 <Vanhayes> ya its the tail end
04:01 <Vanhayes> since u move he can go threw it
04:02 <mkzelda> how's that work?
04:02 <mkzelda> ive never seen this before
04:02 <Vanhayes> Ive used it for months
04:03 <mkzelda> i wanna see it again
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: basically, your tail is shrunk with rubber usages
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> *usage
04:04 <Vanhayes> since the def is moving, and you have rubber you can go straight into the end of the tail and if there any gap at all you get in
04:04 <mkzelda> but the client doesnt see it?
04:04 <Vanhayes> what version?
04:04 <mkzelda> trunk
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you're talking about something else, nvm
04:04 <mkzelda> i had a ton of overlap oms
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> that attack is pretty old :)
04:04 <mkzelda> i mean, the usual amount u need
04:04 <Vanhayes> very old
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's different?
04:05 <Vanhayes> ya this new 5 meters change is affecting things
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like a bug
04:05 <Vanhayes> I think I t happened to me and I yelled bug esturday
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> set it up again with a recording
04:05 <mkzelda> yea i would if anyone would do it again
04:05 <mkzelda> i've never seen it b4 and ive done a LOT of def
04:06 <Vanhayes> ya its not what I was saying, thats just normal gap attack, this is going thru a wall
04:07 <mkzelda> i should have yelled bug but everyone else thought it was normal
04:07 <Vanhayes> its happened once to me whie I was attacking, I called bug but im not sure what name I was using
04:09 <spidey> erm
04:09 <spidey> the wiki not load for anyone else?
04:09 <spidey> or am i broken :(
04:10 <Vanhayes> works for me
04:10 <spidey> grrrr
04:10 <spidey> everything else loads for me
04:10 <spidey> but the wiki won't :<
04:11 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup_Groups that dont work?
04:11 <spidey> well wtf
04:11 <spidey> that loaded
04:11 <spidey> :/
04:11 <Vanhayes> lol
04:12 <spidey> but
04:12 <spidey> no other pages work
04:12 <spidey> heh
04:12 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
04:12 <spidey> !
04:12 <Vanhayes> mybe only links to the pages work?
04:12 <Vanhayes> maybe*
04:13 <spidey> mmm
04:26 <luke-jr_> hey
04:26 <luke-jr_> Can anyone get a car towed they don't own?
04:27 <Vanhayes> what do you mean?
04:28 <luke-jr_> some neighbor is threatening to get my car towed
04:28 <luke-jr_> because it's parked on the sidewalk (with permission, but that's none of his business anyhow)
04:28 <luke-jr_> do I need to worry about it?
04:29 <Vanhayes> ya im pretty sure he can, but if you have proof of permission I dont think they can tow it
04:29 <luke-jr_> wtf, so anyone could just get my car towed without my even knowing?
04:29 <luke-jr_> that's stupid
04:29 <Vanhayes> if its on the side walk
04:29 <luke-jr_> -.-
04:30 <mkzelda> haha
04:30 <Vanhayes> not sure if they have to call the police or just a tow company
04:30 <mkzelda> i got towed one time going inside to get a visitor's pass
04:30 <mkzelda> went inside, got the pass, walked out, my car was gone
04:30 <Vanhayes> hahaha nice
04:30 <Vanhayes> where at?
04:30 <luke-jr_> brb
04:31 <Vanhayes> lol probly gonna go move his car
04:31 <mkzelda> lost connection to bugfarm
04:43 <mkzelda> tow companies are nothing to mess around with
04:43 <mkzelda> most towers carry guns
04:44 <Lizz> umm
04:44 <Lizz> i got a question lol
04:44 <mkzelda> i figured that out when the guy pointed it at me
04:44 <Vanhayes> Lizz: another one?
04:45 <Lizz> umm coz i have high ping.. if the rubber is set at say ummm 20.. and my meter shows it as 20.. umm i dont get more that others coz my ping is high do i?
04:45 <Lizz> yeah vanners lol
04:45 <Lizz> *than
04:45 <spidey> regaurdless
04:45 <Vanhayes> depends on the server
04:45 <Lizz> o.O
04:45 <spidey> no
04:45 <spidey> if she has high ping, and cycle_Rubber_ping is set
04:46 <spidey> she gets more rubber
04:46 <spidey> default it's set
04:46 <Lizz> how do u kno if its set
04:46 <spidey> it is
04:46 <Vanhayes> ya, so it depends on the server
04:46 <spidey> micro has it set to 12
04:46 <Lizz> so do i get more?
04:46 <spidey> which is really high
04:46 <spidey> ya
04:46 <mkzelda> wow sweet
04:46 <mkzelda> ima abuse that
04:46 <spidey> haha
04:46 <Lizz> no wonder they think i cheat :(
04:47 <spidey> haha
04:47 <spidey> fuck them
04:47 <mkzelda> if i cared to play there
04:47 * Lizz uninstalls tron
04:47 <mkzelda> cheater
04:47 <spidey> LOL
04:47 <mkzelda> lizz = wizzee?
04:47 <Lizz> yes
04:47 <spidey> ya
04:47 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: ... good, let them shoot the idiot trying to tow me
04:48 <Vanhayes> love thy neighbor, or something
04:48 <spidey> luke-jr_, omg!!!!! look out the window!!! they're towing your car!
04:48 <mkzelda> no, they dont shoot ppl who want to get ppl towed
04:48 <mkzelda> they shoot ppl trying to stop them
04:48 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: then they get arrested and sent to jail
04:48 <mkzelda> well, sorta
04:48 <Vanhayes> self defence
04:48 <mkzelda> law has way too much protection for them
04:48 <mkzelda> yea
04:49 <mkzelda> and u dont even wanna know how bad they fuck up your car when they tow it
04:49 <luke-jr_> not if they shoot someone for no good reason
04:49 <mkzelda> they have a good reason
04:49 <luke-jr_> nope
04:49 <mkzelda> yep
04:49 <spidey> ii wanna shoot luke
04:49 <Vanhayes> good enough to hold up in most courts
04:49 * spidey becomes a tower
04:49 <luke-jr_> I'm simply stopping them from theft
04:49 <mkzelda> luke-jr_vs the world
04:49 <spidey> lol
04:50 <mkzelda> "everyone else is wrong but me"
04:50 <Vanhayes> do you have written permission to be ther?
04:50 <mkzelda> gotta quit trying to fight the system
04:50 <mkzelda> ya, do you have the appropriate paperwork?
04:50 <Vanhayes> I denie there is a system at all so there for I can not lose
04:51 <Vanhayes> cant lose to something that doesnt exist
04:51 <mkzelda> i used to think this way
04:51 <mkzelda> until i got proven otherwise
04:51 <mkzelda> in a court of law
04:51 <Vanhayes> ya im still waiting for that, heh
04:51 <mkzelda> ya it'll happen eventually
04:51 <mkzelda> we all shed our invulnerability some time
04:52 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: yes, I have permission
04:52 <Vanhayes> written?
04:53 <Vanhayes> and is it by the goverment?
04:53 <Vanhayes> or whoever owns the side walks in the US
04:53 <Vanhayes> im guessing the goverment but you never know
04:53 <spidey> government owns anything like 3-6 ft from the road
04:53 <spidey> i think
04:54 <spidey> O.o
04:56 <Vanhayes> hmm pretty sure its just the side walks, seeing as we own our land and it has no side walk beside it
04:57 <Vanhayes> and if they do own it Im getting them to mow it from now on
04:57 <spidey> haha
04:57 <spidey> well
04:57 <spidey> they mow ours
04:57 <spidey> well more like spray it
04:57 <spidey> kills the weeds and stuff
04:58 <spidey> all the way up and down this road
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05:13 <luke-jr_> well, 911 works
05:13 <spidey> ?
05:13 <luke-jr_> calling 911 from my VoIP phones
05:13 <spidey> lol
05:16 <Vanhayes> I wouldnt call 911 untill he pulls the gun tho
05:16 <spidey> haha
05:17 <Vanhayes> cause he is only doing his job up untill that point
05:18 <mkzelda> if he hasnt hooked the car up, and you're at the scene
05:18 <mkzelda> he cant legally take it
05:18 <mkzelda> cause you can just get in the car and do circles around his ass
05:18 <Vanhayes> lol
05:19 <mkzelda> i think it'd be funnier if you parked your car in such a way that when he tries to get it, he'd be trapped if you pull in behind him
05:20 <mkzelda> and then you tell him 'oh you dont like that? now you know how i feel'
05:20 <mkzelda> cause he gets paid per tow, so he's burning time if you dont let him leave
05:21 * mkzelda has contempt for tow companies and would really like to bomb ace towing
05:21 <mkzelda> i'll have my revenge even if its 15 yrs from now
05:21 <mkzelda> nobody points a gun at me, and gets away with if (assuming they didnt use it)
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05:27 <spidey> mmm
05:27 <mkzelda> Lizz, that was me kidding w/ you
05:27 <Lizz> :-((
05:28 <spidey> O.o
05:28 <Lizz> ur dook?
05:28 <Lizz> O.O
05:28 <mkzelda> ya
05:28 <spidey> hahaha
05:28 * Lizz kicks mk up the butt
05:29 <Lizz> :P
05:29 <Lizz> u spoiled my game u goober :P lol
05:30 <mkzelda> :D
05:30 <mkzelda> i kept saying i was joking
05:30 <mkzelda> i figured u'd catch the referencwe
05:30 <mkzelda> nobody is there anymore
05:30 <Lizz> u still dreaming about me and ota being married?? :P
05:31 <Lizz> lmao u scared them away
05:31 <Lizz> serves u rught :P
05:31 <Lizz> right*
05:31 <mkzelda> :D
05:31 <spidey> hahah
05:31 <mkzelda> ive never tried that server before
05:31 * Lizz pounces on dook and slaps him
05:31 <Lizz> its fun :)
05:32 <mkzelda> ya
05:32 <Lizz> cept when some cocky smartass calls u a cheater :P
05:32 <mkzelda> where did that ability to respawn come from?
05:32 <Lizz> ask luke
05:32 <spidey> cheater
05:32 <Lizz> dunno
05:32 * Lizz punches spider btwn his 8 hairy legs
05:32 <Lizz> :D
05:33 <spidey> O.o
05:33 <Lizz> haha
05:34 <Lizz> and sorry dook.. but so many ppl have called me a cheat lately in tron wouldnt of connected dook to u
05:34 <Lizz> ;-)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: quit cheating and we'll quit calling you cheater
05:34 <Lizz> looceee?
05:35 <Lizz> brb
05:35 * Lucifer_arma notes that his irc client doesn't highlight lines that contain "looceee"
05:35 <mkzelda> she's trying to cheat the system
05:35 <Lizz> rofl
05:35 <Lizz> and winning
05:36 <Lizz> :P
05:36 <mkzelda> so that she can talk to you w/o setting off alarms
05:36 <Lizz> heh he prolly silences me anyway lmao
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> room sure is quiet all of a sudden
05:37 <Lizz> testing? 1 2 3?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> how long can I make this monologue?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> what is a monologue?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah hell, I'm a go smoke, nobody's here anyway
05:38 <mkzelda> oh hey Lucifer_arma
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: ?
05:38 <mkzelda> go smoke
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> you broke my monologue!
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
05:39 * Lizz glad she is silenced coz she can do naughty things to loocee without him knowing :D
05:39 <guru3> argh i can't believe i'm up this early
05:39 <guru3> damn whatever it is that woke me up
05:39 <Lizz> morning guru
05:39 <Lizz> blame loocee guru
05:39 <Lizz> :D
05:40 <luke-jr_> got the cops involved
05:40 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: how is it his job to bother me?
05:41 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: respawn comes from z-man
05:42 <mkzelda> that is nice
05:42 <mkzelda> its funny ive been thinking about trying something like that
05:43 <mkzelda> the interruption of play was always a prob
05:44 <luke-jr_> yeah
05:44 <Vanhayes> arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh I just spilt yogurt all over my key board
05:44 <Lizz> o.O
05:45 <Lizz> what flavour?
05:45 <Vanhayes> it slipt and landed upside down on my key board
05:45 <Vanhayes> black berry
05:45 * Lizz tries not to laugh out loud
05:45 <Lizz> i like cherry :D
05:47 <Vanhayes> hmm not as bad as i thought, only got on the number pad and right and down arrows
05:47 <Lizz> be careful green fur dosent start growing out ur keys :/
05:50 <Vanhayes> 13
05:50 <Vanhayes> 21213
05:50 <Vanhayes> 2
05:50 <Lizz> lmao
05:51 <Vanhayes> 113232133221111111111111111111111111111111111111114
05:51 <Vanhayes> 34
05:51 <Vanhayes> 14
05:51 <Vanhayes> 2-19+76
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> do that in a different window
05:52 <Vanhayes> 2-19+76
05:52 <Vanhayes> 1
05:52 <Lizz> yeah do it in PM to looceee lmao
05:52 <mkzelda> what do they cops have to say luke-jr_
05:52 <Vanhayes> hmm I think I got it all
05:53 <Lizz> u pull ur keys off?
05:53 <Vanhayes> the 0 and ./del
05:53 <Lizz> nods
05:54 <Vanhayes> it was pretty disgusting, the dust and hair combined with the yogurt to make a sort of hairy mush
05:55 <Lizz> :/ ewwwwwwwwwwww
05:55 <guru3> thanks for that lovely image Vanhayes
05:55 <Vanhayes> heh np
05:56 <Vanhayes> at least you didnt have to clean it up
05:56 * Lizz makes note to herself never to eat yoghurt at her puter
05:56 <Vanhayes> it was the only thing I could find to eat
05:57 <Vanhayes> now I only have half left
05:57 <Lizz> im having lasagne tonite.. u want some of that?
05:57 <Vanhayes> ya send some over
05:57 <Lizz> k will do
05:57 <Vanhayes> wheres that roast beef btw?
05:57 <Lizz> erm... i didnt send it?
05:58 <Vanhayes> must not have gotten here yet
05:58 <Lizz> well thats a bugga
05:58 * Lizz express sends the lasagne
05:59 <Vanhayes> 0.
06:00 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: a towers job is to tow cars, if that bothers the towee Thats not his fault
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06:16 <guru3> p
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06:22 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there's no tower involved
06:22 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the troublemaker claimed he was just concerned for the handicapped :o
06:22 <luke-jr_> and that he didn't push me, but really just patted me down
06:22 <luke-jr_> but they said he's been made aware he won't get away with doing any damage
06:22 <luke-jr_> I gave em a CD with the IM log and recording of the stuff
06:23 <luke-jr_> I had my cell phone in my pocket dialed into my home phone server to record everything
06:23 <luke-jr_> =p
06:23 <luke-jr_> I just wish it got more recorded than it did
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06:30 <Lucifer_arma> it sure took long enough for my client to reconnect
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06:33 <Compn1> <~ kamakazi
06:35 <spidey> ah
06:35 <spidey> here we go
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06:35 <spidey> O.o
06:35 <Compn1> heh
06:35 <Compn1> spidey
06:35 <spidey> Vanhayes,
06:35 <spidey> scome to to us fort
06:35 <spidey> s;D
06:36 <Vanhayes> hey Compn1 / kama
06:36 <Vanhayes> US fort?
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06:36 <luke-jr_> deathmatch?
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06:37 <luke-jr_> Gamma Server!
06:37 <luke-jr_> =p
06:38 <Compn1> hehe
06:38 <Compn1> gamma is fun
06:38 <Compn1> WS practice @ us fortress
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06:42 <luke-jr_> wow
06:42 <luke-jr_> I'm halfway across the country, and I got < 30 ms ping on Gamma Server
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06:55 <Vanhayes> #list
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
06:55 <Vanhayes> #list news
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, news, old, and remove
06:55 <Vanhayes> #news
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
06:55 <Compn1> hehe
06:56 <Compn1> hayes, why you follow me on wall?
06:56 <Vanhayes> wasnt really paying attention to the rubber lol
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07:02 <spidey> lol
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07:13 <spidey> hayes
07:13 <spidey> come back :p
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07:27 <Compn1> ok
07:27 <Compn1> long practice
07:27 <Compn1> nighjt
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07:47 <Lizz> oo ghosty
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08:11 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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08:50 <luke-jr_> all in favour of Pig being offered devship, say STY!
08:50 <luke-jr_> =p
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> STY
08:53 * luke-jr_ STY too, BTW
08:53 <luke-jr_> z-man: guru3: ping, you're probably the only really relevant people to this poll other than Lucifer_arma
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> wasn't it mentioned a little while ago?
08:53 <luke-jr_> was it?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> er, I'll add it to the thread going now, I guess we're all in agreement on that one :)
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when we were talking about wrtlprnft and joda and them
08:54 <luke-jr_> o
08:55 <luke-jr_> it's interesting how Gamma Server got to the top of the master list in about 2-3 days
08:55 <luke-jr_> I know I was surprised =p
08:55 <luke-jr_> of course, it's dropped back down without players since...
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> also: be careful of that chilling thing. I think everyone's interested in who comes into the project, so just because 2-3 admins agree early on doesn't mean you should keep quiet
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty important thing. :)
08:57 <luke-jr_> chilling?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> chilling
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> where, let's say someone has a divergent opinion, and in the course of regular discussion 2 or more admins around here voice agreement
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> so the person keeps his divergent opinion to himself
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> I know *you* wouldn't have that problem
08:59 <guru3> eh?
08:59 <guru3> what poll?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> 2 or more admins agreeing does not constitute an admin decision, right? There's something else required...
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we could be talking about the price of beer, and z-man and I agree it's too expensive. Does that mean beer is too expensive?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: you want pig in the project?
09:00 <guru3> who?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig, the guy that makes guns for light cycles
09:01 <guru3> not really
09:05 <spidey> mm
09:05 <spidey> i want x over ssh
09:05 * spidey googles it
09:06 <spidey> mmm
09:06 <spidey> it's possible to O.o
09:06 <spidey> http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
09:07 <guru3> of course it is
09:07 <spidey> mmm
09:07 <spidey> i'ma put linux on the other computer to
09:07 <spidey> and dualboot windows on this one
09:09 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I replied
09:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: ssh -X ...
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09:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I see it. :) To answer the question, yes, I think we should include content creators as developers. If that wasn't obvious....
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> will my system actually run faster when it's built with gcc 4.1?
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09:39 <philippeqc> hi
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi
09:40 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: could you host archived resources on the res repo?
09:40 <philippeqc> hello Lucifer_arma
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09:42 <philippeqc> I see many half solutions to the "map download" prob
09:43 <philippeqc> a) client receive list of maps on join. Unless we prevent the player from joining until the client has received ALL the map, we risk having the client trying to download while the player play.
09:46 <philippeqc> b) download next map on death. Gives a better distribution of the download, and more time to complete them. Shoudn't conflict with game play. Risk: situations where a great number of players are killed in a very short time ending the round will probably occur more with zones v2.
09:46 <philippeqc> a is good on case where maps are static, b) allows for more dynamic map creating
09:46 <philippeqc> creation
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> c) client download maps while the player plays, but bandwidth usage of the download is limited. Download must happen in a separate thread as well.
09:48 * philippeqc re-read his own comments. I guess I woke up from the wrong side of the bed.
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have a ready solution, all I really have to offer is that this problem will get worse as we add resource types, so we should solve it pretty soon
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> so, Person X comes along and says "I'd like to give a donation, but I want to know the money will go to improve the game and not just line someone's pockets"
09:51 <philippeqc> d) pause game start till all the players gave a go (ie: are done downloading the map). Risk being abused by small time sript kiddies (minor problem). Ends up being a buffer problem: Giving a bigger buffer never solve the problem, it just lower the chances of it appearing. As soon as more data is incorporated into maps, this will come again.
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> this is hypothetical, of course
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> Person A is a developer that's making a living off revenue from the game.
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> does Person X decide it's not ok for the developer to pocket the money? If so, why?
09:51 <philippeqc> now that luke is starting commercial hosting, I'm quite sure we can expect a steady flow of cash to come back to the project.
09:52 <philippeqc> ;)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've decided from the get-go to run my budget program for-profit. Makes sense to me. :)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> haven't had a release yet, but I'm working on the website right now.
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also going to turn my alarm clock into a for-profit project, but I've decided to worry about that after the Qt4 port and the next release
09:53 <philippeqc> Should we push AA in that direction?
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'm trying to push all of my pursuits into for-profit directions. So I'd be interested.
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> aha, but the player has a question to answer. :)
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> Does he give money to the game developer? Technically, the game developer is going to "line his pockets" with it
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> but making a living off the game means he's working full-time or so to improve it
09:54 * philippeqc tries to figure how many hours i sat on the toilet, trying to debunk the concept of monitors for zones....
09:55 * Lucifer_arma wonders why you'd try to debunk to concept of monitors for zones on the toilet when you've got Vexed
09:55 <philippeqc> monitor being a word I invented
09:55 <philippeqc> for that thing I want them to do
09:56 <philippeqc> vexed????
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://vexed.sourceforge.net/
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I do on the toilet when I'm out of books, at least
09:57 <philippeqc> and me who had great hopes that vexed would be a new design pattern of sorts ;)
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know they had another release, I better download it
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> actually, there are two things I find tend to improve my ability to think, and Vexed is one of them.
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> (the other is playing bass)
09:58 <philippeqc> I've heard that there was a big site of OSS projects. People go and say "I'd be ready to pay X$ to get feature Y". If you too want the feature, you can add money to it, making it more interesting. Developers are free to accept or not at any point.
10:00 <philippeqc> that MIGHT be a more adequate model for us, as we are far from any steady income from the project.
10:04 <anjori> that's what's done with some drupal modules.
10:04 <philippeqc> is it working for them?
10:04 <anjori> no idea :P
10:06 <philippeqc> humm, a content management framework used by the onion is bound to have a few more interested parties than a game like us.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's also used by the Cutting Board and the Wok.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:07 * Lucifer_arma goes back to his article
10:07 <anjori> it's been interesting to see the variety of sites that have incorporated it over the last year
10:07 <philippeqc> must............. resist................. doing............... a spidey................. on.................... lucifer
10:07 * Lucifer_arma slaps Lucifer_arma
10:08 <anjori> heh
10:08 <philippeqc> haaaaa, that felt good.
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> the secret's in the accounting, I think.
10:08 <anjori> the official site for the artist, moby, also uses it
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> we funnel all the revenue (heh) into one place, then distribute it to all our expenses, and then split what's left
10:09 <philippeqc> I'd be ready to see such a model on us. Not that I really beleive that we would actually get more than some marginal bounty, but maybe the well would start rolling.'
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> in general terms, I"m interested in a model that does several things.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 1. rewards us financially for working as a team :)
10:10 <anjori> oh, and i was listening to the TWIT podcast, and i forget the name of the company, but they will be building a new mtv.co.uk site with drupal
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2. pushes services instead of code. services derive from code.
10:10 <philippeqc> 5 USD / ~20 (content and code) developers, applied to my broadband access. ;)
10:10 <anjori> i think that would be a true test. if it can support a site of that size.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 3. Never puts us in a situation where we don't accept new developers because it would lower our incomes to add them to the split
10:11 <philippeqc> services?
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> services
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> in a feature oriented or code oriented pay system, who's going to waste time moderating the forums, fixing the broken wiki, or any of that stuff?
10:11 <philippeqc> maybe my own desing and coding mentality is too oriented toward the core of the game to see that.
10:12 <philippeqc> ooooo! ok, the team model you propose would also reward my work, even though I would not be the one going for the bounties, but instead adding value for all.
10:12 * anjori hopes to one day learn his shit and join you guys. alas, i think i may die first ;)
10:12 <philippeqc> start to see the wisdom of lucifer's argument
10:13 <philippeqc> anjori: how old are you, can you program (event though just a bit and in a different language)
10:14 <philippeqc> anjori: non programing task exist too, and are sadly looked down upon. DOCUMENTATION. if you can actually express yourself in an adequate manner, you have a GREAT future there.
10:15 <philippeqc> just take my "making maps by hand" document, and actually write it in something that doesnt try to be a rfc. THAT will be of great value.
10:15 <anjori> 20. not enough that i would call it "programming". switched to linux about a year-year 1/2 ago, interested in learning bash and python right now.
10:16 <philippeqc> try to set up a server, use the documentation on the wiki. When you encounter problems, or lack in the documentation, note them down. Once you have a server running, you probably have a good idea of what could be done about that doc to improve it.
10:16 <anjori> i suppose i'm a late bloomer, and envious of those who were exposed at an early age
10:16 <philippeqc> CONTENT CREATION: this ball is starting to roll. Maps, models, textures, HUD.
10:17 <spidey> O.o
10:17 <philippeqc> anjori, dont let yourself be fooled by that.... look at me. I'm still learning my shit. ;)
10:18 <philippeqc> Should you decided you want to learn C++, there is one EXTREMELY good book that is FREE. Search for "Annotation C++"
10:18 <philippeqc> www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml
10:18 <philippeqc> This book is GREAT
10:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O luke-jr_
10:18 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft
10:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O luke-jr_'s hosting got more expensive
10:19 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
10:19 <wrtlprnft> #morning
10:19 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft [f]
10:19 <wrtlprnft> no point if someone deleted the fortune alias
10:20 <philippeqc> o yeah! Bad luke-jr_ bad bad bad. I actually liked the other prices better. (not just because they where cheaper, but because it didnt feel like you bloated the per slot price to the nearest quarter
10:20 <anjori> i picked up O'Reilly's "Learning the bash Shell" and "Learning Python" awhile back, to give you an idea of where i'm starting.
10:21 <philippeqc> better start now than when you are 25, or 30.
10:21 <anjori> though i've put off actually reading them as of late :-/
10:21 <philippeqc> dont do the same mistake I do. Dont look to what you did wrong, cause there will always be a LOT of that. Look to what you CAN do right. And do it.
10:22 <philippeqc> I guess your on vacation from school now?
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, slow down :)
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> first, every single programming book I've ever read, no matter what the author said, threw concepts out the window and focused on the language
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> what you need to do is learn the concepts of programming
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> every tutorial I've seen on the internet is the same. Those of us who were exposed at an early age only have the advantage of years,
10:24 * philippeqc takes his drill seargent voice: You must be the worst bunch of lame ass programmer ever. You will close down that browser and get your gooddarn nose into your book right now and give me 3 study blits of one hour each, cut with a 10 minute break WITHOUT COMPUTER. Go go go go go go!
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> but the material sucks just as much then as it does now
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> now, I suggested python instead of bash as a good place to start because it'll let you focus on the concepts :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, every python tutorial I've seen has completely ignored such things
10:25 <philippeqc> c++ annotation actually manage to cover the language. ALL the language! I really mean ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the C++ language, and all the OO concepts
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> does it throw a lot of technobabble at you?
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's another problem, and it's the reason I'm writing a double-entry bookkeeping tutorial :)
10:26 <philippeqc> nope, just uses the right terms for the right description.
10:26 <anjori> well, i can't just jump right in without some kind of a guide :P
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> where are you at? what do you know right now?
10:26 <philippeqc> anjori: start at page 1, and go from there.
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, how much math have you studied?
10:26 <anjori> looking at a python interpreter in the past, i was completely lost. at least now i know some of the types of things i can input
10:27 <anjori> very little. as i said, i've been lazy lately. i need to force myself to get back into it.
10:28 <philippeqc> anjori: a friend said it best "you learn math through a pen. You have to actually sit down, and do the exercises. And redo them." Now applied to programming: Read, do the examples, make yourself some more examples. Repeat.
10:28 <anjori> not far into the book, just read a chapter on numbers, now on strings
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> very little = I know all about loops and functions?
10:28 <anjori> indexing and slicing is the last topic i remember that was covered
10:28 <anjori> nope :P
10:28 * anjori is a noob.
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, define "program" for me. What is a program?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> also, how much math have you studied? :)
10:30 <anjori> heh, putting me on the spot here? :P i feel stupid against a channel of programmers.
10:30 <anjori> and, ugh. i am bloody horrible at math.
10:31 <philippeqc> anjori: change that mentality around. STOP focusing on what you cant, DO focus on what you CAN.
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's right. :)
10:31 <anjori> i know. need to work on the self-esteem, too :)
10:31 * Lucifer_arma suppresses the cheeky-comment urge
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> so have you studied algebra? functions?
10:32 <anjori> don't withhold on my accord
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine. I hear cocaine does wonders for the self-esteem
10:32 <philippeqc> so I guess you are a student and are currently on vacation, and seeing you are on IRC on a week day, you have some free time. Better put that to use.
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, put it to use telling me what a program is. I seem to hae forgotten
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's because I'm wearing my writer hat right now
10:34 <anjori> not a student. though it's something i may like to pursue in the future.
10:34 <anjori> i tend to think i'm better at being self-taught.
10:35 <philippeqc> ok, so what is there to prevent you to sit your ass on the chair and stuck your nose in the book and actually start?
10:36 <philippeqc> bbiaw
10:36 <anjori> i would say, very simply, a program is something that operates on an assigned task.
10:36 <anjori> wrong answer? :P
10:37 <anjori> philippeqc: nothing. i just like to put such things off when i get intimidated or frustrated by them. again, self-esteem.
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good working definition. It's actually better than what I normally hear. :)
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how does a program accomplish its task?
10:42 <anjori> by obeying the writer's instructions, and hoping he knows his shit.
10:42 <anjori> honestly, i'm not sure how to answer that.
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> :)
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> how to ask the question....hmmmm......
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> let's say you go to accomplish some task, like cooking a meal
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> what do you do?
10:46 <anjori> pop it in the microwave, and eat? :P
10:47 <anjori> gather an idea of required ingredients, follow a course of actions how much of each ingredient i need and how to use them, and hopefully have an edible result.
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> eat while it's still in the microwave?
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so you start from the beginning, work each step in sequence, and go through to the end?
10:48 <anjori> indeed
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> along the way you may have decisions to make?
10:48 <anjori> yes
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> will those decisions affect the overall steps you take?
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> like, can the outcome of a decision cause you to take completely different steps from that point on?
10:50 <anjori> certainly
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> can the outcome of a decision cause the steps you take from that point to be the same, only using different ingredients?
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10:51 <anjori> well, that, or preparation and cooking methods
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> and finally :) , can the outcome of a decision cause you to return to an earlier step and continue from there?
10:52 <Fonkay> no one is playing arma
10:53 <Fonkay> i think it's the deadest i've seen it in a long time
10:53 <Fonkay> what else will keep me occupied for 20 mins before work
10:54 <anjori> you explaining loops here? :P
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> loops and conditionals
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> how do you know which step you're on?
10:55 <anjori> i have a general concept of loops
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I asked what you know
10:55 <anjori> i.e. continue action as long as such condition is true, else do this.
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll skip that last question. just keep in mind that "stack pointer" usually refers to which instruction you're on at any given point in time
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> the call stack then is a pile that contains previous instructions. :)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, when you break a task down into parts, ummm
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you break a task down into parts :)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> generally you go from general to more specific
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10:58 <Lucifer_arma> like, you say "cut the vegetables", then "cut the celery", then "dice the celery", then "pick up the knife, hold it thisaway, cut thisaway"
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> one of the hardest parts about programming that never goes away is following that process, taking a series of general steps and turning them into specific steps that you can code
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, the inverse of that is also true. If you already have a series of specific steps that you've coded, you can use some of those steps in another program
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> you already knew that part, though, right?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> so, what you wind up with is you need a way to group steps together
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> from looping, you already know that you group a series of steps together inside the loop and just do the same thin over and over
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> what do you do when you want to use those same steps that were inside the loop, but you want to use them somewhere else?
11:04 <anjori> not sure i know how to answer that, either.
11:04 <anjori> i think a part of the problem is i get the general idea, but i have trouble remembering/assosciating the terminology
11:06 <anjori> or is that where functions come in? i've only very roughly read about them in bash
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's where functions come in, and it would help if you've studied functions in the context of algebra or something like that.
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> basically, a function (also called a procedure in some languages under some circumstances) is a collection of steps that accomplish a very specific task
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> the terminology is pretty important, actually, but like philippeqc said, you have to get in and do it to get it straight.
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> so you want to make a function when you find yourself doing the same thing a lot, where "a lot" is subjective. If you find yourself copying and pasting code from one part of a program to another, you should make it a function and have both parts call the function instead.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's all wrapped up in flow control. :) You control the flow of your program with loops, conditionals, and functions, and nothing else.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> Even if the language provides other ways to do it, you really shouldn't. ;)
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> have you encountered the word "pseudocode" yet?
11:14 <anjori> no
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, pseudo code is basically a recipe :)
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's using plain english to write out the steps you need to execute to accomplish your task
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> a common way to work on programs, and imo the best way to start, is to forget about language and write pseudocode
11:16 <anjori> outlining and breaking down steps, you mean?
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> right
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> I mentioned starting with more general steps and then making more specific steps
11:16 <anjori> a tip the bash book provided, actually. just need to remember to put it into practice :)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> you can do that with pseudocode, and at some point you will find code-able steps in there
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, you should do it now. :) Just work with pseudocode, discipline yourself to do it!
11:17 <anjori> yeah, i need to start forming good habits as a go along, from the beginning
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> you can throw it away later if you like, but the most frustrating part I always had when I was just starting was fighting the syntax of the language while trying to learn how to write it
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't call it a good habit, just a good way to learn :)
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> there are lots of different viewpoints on how to write a program :)
11:19 <anjori> well, my problem is i just want to jump in and "do it". so i think about things more generally than the specific steps that would be required
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, take a program and first write it out in pseudocode, seriously. Then you look at each step you wrote, and first you ask "is it in the right order?"
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> each successive step depends on all of the ones before it, so you look at what each step depends on
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> then you take steps that are general and make them more specific
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> put labels and stuff to mark that you're iterating, like in a loop, or that <these steps> are outside the main body of steps
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you only work with pseudocode, you can teach yourself all sorts of stuff about programming without ever opening a book
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> of course, sooner or later you have to learn some language to make your programs actually run
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a method of design called top-down design that I think is very good to use when you're learning, but should be thrown away asap because it's useless for serious programming
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's where you write a general description of the program and then circle it
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> then you write around it some general tasks that need to be accomplished, circle each one and link it to the first one
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> then you take each circle in turn and write all the tasks needed, in the same manner, and connect
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> you create a large tree this way, and what you end up with on the bottom is a series of programmable steps
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> you should do it at least once in your life. :)
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> in real life, I make regular use of flowcharts. I frequently sit down with a piece of paper and draw flow charts to indicate how the program runs
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> and then use the flow charts while I'm coding
11:24 * anjori nods
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> all of these are things you do independently of language, obviously, and apply to any language.
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd suggest you take a couple of simple programs you can conceive of, or dig up from the internet or in your books or whatever and write out some pseudocode,
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe draw a flow-chart, do the top-down design thing at least once in your life
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> then google up some trivial scripts, bash, python, whatever, and read them. Rewrite them in pseudocode, draw flowcharts, etc.
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> after youv'e done those things, take either your bash or your python book and work through it start-to-finish. :)
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, that namepicker script I wrote is a good example of the kind of script you should read. Not because it's well-written, it's not.
11:28 * anjori has already got one script of someone else's in mind he'd like to either rewrite or modify and add on to
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> but because it doesn't do much
11:29 <anjori> i'd like to look more closely at that one to, and understand what everything actually does.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there you go. Here's an assignment for you. :) Write it up in pseudocode and send it to me. PM or whatever
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> need a due date? ;)
11:32 <anjori> heh, sure. though is that something i can construct at this point without understanding the code itself?
11:33 <anjori> meaning, can i write out what steps are needed and to do what, without understanding what they say?
11:34 <anjori> i've barely touched on python thus far. but can look at most bash scripts and understand, at least generally, what it is they do
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you can
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> you might have to look some stuff up in the python documentation, and feel free to ask me
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> like ",".join() . what does that do?
11:38 <anjori> i think that will be my question for most things? ;)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's not easy to find, but it takes a list and joins them into a single string where each item is separated by a comma
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, you have a list like this:
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something else
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> another thing
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> and then you ",".join(thatlist) and you get:
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something,something else,another thing
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11:40 <Lucifer_arma> it'll mostly make sense, I'll wager. :) More important than that, it's language, and like any language, you generally learn to read it before you write it
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> which is backwards compared to what books and classes and stuff usually teach, if that gives you any idea of my opinion on how this stuff is normally taught...
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think being a computer language makes it different than a human language. Seems like you still do better if you work on reading it first, writing it second
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> go back to cooking. :) Can you write a recipe if you don't know how to cook?
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's wrong
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> can you write a recipe if you don't know how to read a recipe?
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's late :)
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm working on my double entry bookkeeping article, heh
11:47 <anjori> well, it's pretty late here, too, so why don't we leave it there for now. but i appreciate you taking the time to give your insights and explain this stuff to such a novice. :)
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> :) np. You did catch me in a teaching mood, since I'm writing a howto for double entry bookkeeping.
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I'm calling it quits there so I can get some sleep before class.
11:51 <philippeqc> cya
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://dsbp.davefancella.com/howto/doubleentry.php <--- here's where I"m at, I would appreciate some proof-reading
11:52 <anjori> well, you've sat up and explained things to me in the past, too. which provides some much needed encouragement.
11:53 * anjori will give it a read, but it'll have to wait 'til tomorrow
11:54 <philippeqc> need a name for a type. its a triad {false, true, ignore}.
11:55 <philippeqc> anyone got something smart?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> triad?
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> all it FirstFifthEighth
11:59 <philippeqc> enum of 3 times
11:59 <philippeqc> types
11:59 <philippeqc> dont listen to my brain today
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, I was suggesting triad as a name :)
11:59 <philippeqc> it is faking litteracy
12:00 <philippeqc> o ok
12:00 <philippeqc> what is the FirstFifthEighth
12:00 <philippeqc> dont get it
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> um, it's a triad
12:00 <philippeqc> google?
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> er
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> play guitar?
12:00 <philippeqc> shamefull look... no
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> a power chord is first and fifth, a triad is a power chord plus the first from the next octave
12:01 <philippeqc> ok
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I better go to bed before I teach philippeqc how to play guitar. He should catch me on another day if he wants me to do that :)
12:02 <philippeqc> ok, I'll keep you on that offer
12:02 <philippeqc> nigthy night.
12:04 <anjori> 'night, Lucifer_arma.
12:20 <spidey> lol
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12:53 <cusco> dudes
12:53 <cusco> how can I have both
12:53 <cusco> 0.3 and 0.2.8
12:53 <cusco> installed?
12:56 <philippeqc> you should be able. You might want to give it different install directions so as nothing is over written. Sadly, my knowledge of this is limited as a) I dont use Windows (should you be using it) b) I've NEVER installed it, as I always have a couple of copies with different modification lying side by side
12:56 <philippeqc> search the forum, IIRC something was discussed about that.
12:57 <cusco> why should I be using windows?
12:57 <philippeqc> then use answer b
12:58 <cusco> where do you run your binary files from then'
12:58 <cusco> I was looking at the configure --help option
12:58 <cusco> I could just use "--program-suffix=SUFFIX"
12:58 <cusco> to make diferent binary files
12:58 <philippeqc> I go to the armagetronad diretory, and run ./bootstrap.sh
12:59 <cusco> but how about the configuration in /etc/?
12:59 <philippeqc> then I do the following:
12:59 <philippeqc> mkdir bin
12:59 <philippeqc> cd bin
12:59 <philippeqc> ../configure
12:59 <philippeqc> make
12:59 <philippeqc> ... wait ...
12:59 <philippeqc> ./src/armagetronad
12:59 <cusco> ah
12:59 <cusco> there is no "armagetronad" in src/
12:59 <philippeqc> this allows me to have a couple of bin side by side, and when I want to debug the code, I make some debug directories, and use:
13:00 <philippeqc> DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 ../configure
13:00 <philippeqc> if you have src, there you are in armagetronad
13:00 <cusco> ok ok hold on
13:00 <philippeqc> o ok
13:00 <philippeqc> got ya
13:00 <cusco> gonna take a while
13:00 <philippeqc> in the directory where you ran configure and make, there WILL be a src dir
13:01 <cusco> its compiling
13:01 <philippeqc> good
13:01 <cusco> and after the "make install" they go away?
13:04 <philippeqc> I NEVER ran make install
13:04 <philippeqc> as I told you, I run it from that location
13:05 <philippeqc> this allows me to have many different binaries from the same source (like a regular bin and one for debuging, or a "client" and a "server", possibly with different compile options)
13:10 <cusco> you said you don't run. you could have done it once before
13:11 <cusco> so I did not know that you NEVER ran that
13:12 <philippeqc> I'm not angry at you, just saying that my knowledge ends at make.
13:12 <philippeqc> you seemed on a rool, and I wanted to stop you before you did something thinking I told you to do it.
13:12 <philippeqc> ;)
13:12 <cusco> right but im feeling this attacking all mighty god feeling coming from you
13:13 <philippeqc> if you DONT do make install, then you can have as many version as you want
13:13 <cusco> I see
13:13 <cusco> it just finisehd compiling
13:13 <cusco> its under src/ you say
13:13 <philippeqc> sorry, my brain is not fully on today, take me with a grain of salt
13:13 <philippeqc> where did you compile?
13:13 <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~/armagetronad/src$ ./armagetronad
13:13 <cusco> bash: ./armagetronad: No such file or directory
13:13 <philippeqc> cd bin
13:14 <philippeqc> ./src/armagetronad
13:14 <wrtlprnft> cusco: just say make run
13:14 <wrtlprnft> in the main dir, the same place where you said make
13:15 <cusco> right!
13:15 <philippeqc> I told him not to run make from the main dir (~/armagetronad), but instead to make a dir and have the compilation there (such as ~/armagetronad/bin)
13:15 <wrtlprnft> and the executable is called armagetronad_main if you wanna run it directly
13:15 <philippeqc> o yes, sorry, tab completing is known to my fingers, but not my brain
13:15 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I did but look:
13:15 <wrtlprnft> heh, i know
13:15 <cusco> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in tools/tLocale.cpp:150 : Language British English not found.
13:15 <cusco> Please send a Bug report!
13:15 <wrtlprnft> gah
13:16 <wrtlprnft> you need to run it from the dir above src
13:16 <wrtlprnft> so you have to say src/armagetronad_main to run it
13:16 <cusco> I see..
13:16 <wrtlprnft> or it won't know where to find its data files
13:16 <cusco> is there a way I can say to use settings under ~/.armagetronad/
13:17 <wrtlprnft> install it
13:17 <wrtlprnft> make install
13:17 <philippeqc> lol
13:17 <cusco> lol
13:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:17 <philippeqc> he wanted to have multiple version on his hd
13:17 <cusco> wrtlprnft: can I also have 0.2.8 installed?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:17 <cusco> that was my initial question
13:17 <philippeqc> so I said "dont install and run from where you compiled"
13:17 <cusco> I would like to be able to run both
13:17 <wrtlprnft> say ./configure --prefix=/some/dir
13:17 <wrtlprnft> then it will install into /some/dir
13:17 <cusco> wrtlprnft: how about the settings under /etc/?
13:18 <philippeqc> what is in ~/.armagetronad ?
13:18 <cusco> philippeqc: there is recource textures var folders
13:18 <wrtlprnft> cusco: the settings will be separate too
13:19 <philippeqc> and config is in /etc ?
13:19 <cusco> wrtlprnft: hmm oki.. I already took a peek on the configure file
13:19 <wrtlprnft> i usually configure arma with ../configure --prefix=~/armasvn
13:19 <cusco> I can use --program-suffix=SUFFIX right?
13:19 <wrtlprnft> uh, dunno what that one does
13:19 <cusco> " --program-suffix=SUFFIX append SUFFIX to installed program names
13:19 <cusco> "~
13:20 <wrtlprnft> might work, no guarantee from me
13:20 <cusco> lol ok o k.. :|
13:20 <wrtlprnft> i only used --prefix and --disable-glout ;)
13:20 <cusco> my worry was that its is going to use files udner /etc/
13:20 <wrtlprnft> and the ability to set CXXFLAGS ;)
13:20 <cusco> and I don't know what those are
13:20 <cusco> both versions..
13:20 <philippeqc> cusco, just so you know, from this point on, you are one your own. It just nothing I've never done before, and a backup might be of value ;)
13:20 <wrtlprnft> --disable-glout builds a dedicated server
13:21 <wrtlprnft> --prefix=somedir installs everything into that dir (binaries, settings, resources, etc) but lets the executable use ~/.armagetronad
13:21 <cusco> hmm
13:21 <cusco> oki dooki
13:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: can you try to get the 0.2.8 ebuild into the gentoo-sunrise overlay? They might accept it
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14:39 <spidey> haha
14:39 <spidey> someone's going around town stealing the "R"s from signs
14:39 <spidey> they even stole the r's from a military outpost
14:45 <philippeqc> I'd suggest rounding up all the Richards, Rickys, Roberts and even a few Bobs just for good measure.
14:56 <spidey> lol
14:56 <spidey> the rasio said the only explanation is
14:56 <spidey> they're pirates
14:56 <spidey> O.o
14:59 <philippeqc> Or Ninjas trying to get the pirates in trouble!
14:59 <philippeqc> you live near the coast?
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15:36 <spidey> philippeqc, west tennessee
15:37 <guru3> that's close
15:41 <spidey> kinda but still a long way away :/
15:43 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/nano_sumo-0.1.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
15:52 <spidey> #insult anjori
15:52 <armabot> anjori - You are nothing but an off-color coagulation of milk-livered gunk.
16:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/chico_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/nans_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/octa_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/race_you-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_1v1-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:18 <cusco> #armaservers
16:18 <cusco> #armaserver
16:18 <cusco> :(
16:19 <armabot> cusco: Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's LowRubber {100MBit} (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (testing) (5 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (5 players) || home of Andy and . (3 players) || Pig Sty in 0.2.8.2 (Teams, Shooting) (3 players) || armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (3 (1 more message)
16:26 <cusco> #more
16:26 <armabot> cusco: players) || Bugfarm Sumo (2 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2 players) || Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) (1 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Battle Fortress (0 players) || Crazy Tronners Sumo Battle (0 players) || -|LoD|- Gran Prix Server Race (0 players)
16:31 <spidey> #g 200lbs in stones
16:31 <armabot> 200 pounds = 14.2857143 stones
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16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: lala
16:37 <spidey> luke-jr_, lala
16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM?
16:38 <spidey> ya
16:42 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/ Please comment on hosting costs, especially for the new stuff like mail and web =p
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16:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what is sunrise?
16:50 <deja_vu_> low pings measured from where? :P
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16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_1v1-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/octa_sumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
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17:30 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: measured from most people I've seen playing there
17:30 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: go play on Gamma Server and let me know your ping?
17:30 <luke-jr_> (usually best measured in the middle of a new round)
17:32 <deja_vu> uh..don't have 3d-accelleration right now^^
17:37 <luke-jr_> boo =p
17:38 <luke-jr_> that shouldn't affect ping
17:41 <luke-jr_> not much anyhow
17:46 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:50 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo sunrise
17:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.60 seconds: Project Sunrise Overlay - Trac: <http://gentoo-sunrise.org/>; / sunrise /x11-themes/qtcurve - Project Sunrise Overlay - Trac: <http://gentoo-sunrise.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/sunrise/x11-themes/qtcurve>; [ gentoo -council] Gentoo Sunrise : Problems, Solutions and Questions: <http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org/msg00058.html>; (2 more messages)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: first one
17:55 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_purple-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:55 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_yellow-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:55 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: is it an official overlay? O.o
17:56 <wrtlprnft> no, but it's easy to use :)
17:56 <wrtlprnft> and it has some nice stuff already
17:56 <wrtlprnft> stumbled upon it when i wanted to install moreutils
17:57 <luke-jr_> actually, it is
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:57 <luke-jr_> they just don't have overlays.g.o setup yet it seems
17:57 <luke-jr_> anyway, IMO it'd make more sense to setup our own overlay
17:57 <luke-jr_> and have them list it in their overlay list
17:57 <wrtlprnft> nope
17:58 <wrtlprnft> i don't want an overlay that contains one package
17:58 <luke-jr_> oh well
17:58 <luke-jr_> it wouldn't be one, in theory
17:58 <luke-jr_> it would be all the various versions, plus Arma tools
17:58 <luke-jr_> presuming we start releasing those
17:58 <wrtlprnft> various versions = one package
17:59 <luke-jr_> armagetron-mcpattack =p
17:59 <luke-jr_> acme
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17:59 <luke-jr_> z-man: hi
17:59 <luke-jr_> and here's the main advantage
18:00 <luke-jr_> we could just maintain the stuff in Svn =p
18:00 <luke-jr_> layman supports Svn overlays
18:00 <luke-jr_> but anyway, the reason I haven't done this all yet is because I need to update the ebuild first
18:01 <luke-jr_> and I might have more bugs in our build system that need fixing to do 0.3 ebuilds
18:01 <luke-jr_> --enable-multiver doesn't seem to change directory names
18:29 <spidey> #night
18:29 <armabot> Good night spidey!
18:50 <luke-jr_> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/overlays/layman-global.txt?rev=1.21&view=markup
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19:23 <Brooky> have any of you made a knoppix cd?
19:23 <Brooky> im having troubles
19:29 <wrtlprnft> not the most current one
19:29 <Brooky> how do i do it on windows
19:29 <Brooky> ?
19:30 <wrtlprnft> what program do you use to burn CDs?
19:30 <Brooky> nero
19:30 <Brooky> but i could use others
19:30 <Brooky> it came with pc
19:30 <wrtlprnft> change the extension from .iso to .nri
19:30 <wrtlprnft> then doublecluck
19:31 <Brooky> now what?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, nero should pop up if you open it
19:31 <wrtlprnft> scratch that
19:31 <wrtlprnft> rename it to .nrg
19:32 <Brooky> ok
19:32 <Brooky> so i only need iso file?
19:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:32 <Brooky> ok
19:32 <Brooky> now what?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> doubleclick it
19:33 <wrtlprnft> nero should burn it then
19:35 <Brooky> ok
19:43 <Brooky> this is how it looks
19:43 <Brooky> http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sszi4.png
19:43 <Brooky> but....
19:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, you burned it already?
19:43 <Brooky> it wont boot on my computer
19:43 <Brooky> have now
19:43 <wrtlprnft> you might tell your BIOS to boot from CD
19:43 <Brooky> no
19:43 <wrtlprnft> *might have to
19:44 <Brooky> i set it first on list
19:44 <wrtlprnft> so what does it do when you reboot with the CD in the drive?
19:45 <Brooky> blanc screen for 5 seconds then win boots up
19:45 <Brooky> blank*
19:45 <luke-jr_> did you let the memory self-test run?
19:46 <Brooky> what do you mean by that?
19:46 <luke-jr_> the POST test
19:46 <luke-jr_> where it counts your memory
19:46 <Brooky> i think so
19:47 <Brooky> it just boots windows
19:47 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:47 <Brooky> but it tries to boot linux
19:47 <Brooky> but it doesnt
19:47 <wrtlprnft> does it access the CD drive?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> like, blinking LED?
19:47 <Brooky> yeah
19:48 <Brooky> it spins
19:48 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:48 <wrtlprnft> does it work on another computer?
19:48 <Brooky> havent tried
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19:48 <Brooky> i dont know how to access the bios settings on other computer
19:49 <wrtlprnft> if it's more or less modern it should boot from CD by itself
19:49 <Brooky> it is modern
19:49 <Brooky> its a new
19:49 <Brooky> medion computer
19:49 <luke-jr_> new 10 years ago =p
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that explains itr
19:50 <Brooky> it even has a credit card slot
19:50 <Brooky> loll
19:50 <luke-jr_> wtf is medion
19:50 <wrtlprnft> aldi firm
19:50 <luke-jr_> ...
19:50 <Brooky> lol
19:50 <Brooky> its good comp thou
19:50 <luke-jr_> obviously not if it can't boot CDs
19:50 <luke-jr_> =p
19:50 <wrtlprnft> well
19:50 <Brooky> i dont know how to access bios
19:50 <wrtlprnft> wait a couple of months and it might work
19:51 <Brooky> i think ill pass
19:51 <Brooky> lol
19:51 <wrtlprnft> medion PCs tend to use the cheapest hardware around, they aren't supported by linux immediately
19:51 <Brooky> i dont want it on that computer
19:51 <Brooky> i want it on my laptop
19:51 <Brooky> which is a dell
19:52 <wrtlprnft> does it boot other CDs, like the windows install one?
19:52 <Brooky> i dont kno
19:52 <Brooky> i dont have any others
19:52 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:53 <Brooky> so...
19:53 <Brooky> what do i do?
19:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno
19:53 <wrtlprnft> cry
19:53 <wrtlprnft> my dell works under linux
19:53 <Brooky> i dont want to
19:54 <Brooky> what did you do?
19:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing special
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19:54 <wrtlprnft> oh, what if you press F12 on boot?
19:54 <wrtlprnft> it should show a boot menu
19:54 <wrtlprnft> at least mine does
19:54 <Brooky> yeah it does
19:55 <wrtlprnft> what if you select the CDROM there?
19:55 <Brooky> ill try
19:55 <Brooky> brb
19:55 <Brooky> cya in abiyt
19:55 <Brooky> abit*
19:55 <wrtlprnft> cya
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20:03 <Brooky> No luck
20:03 <Brooky> :(
20:05 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:06 <wrtlprnft> no clue, sorry
20:06 <Brooky> oh
20:07 <Brooky> :(
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20:10 <Brooky> is there any other way of getting linux?
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20:40 <Brooky> i know what was wrong
20:40 <Brooky> i was using the wrong burning settings
20:40 <Brooky> lol
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22:19 <Lucifer_arma> did anyone leave me any messages?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> guess not
22:20 <wrtlprnft> poor Lucifer_arma
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> nobody loves meeeeeee......anymo'
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> hey, why would df hang after it shows /tmp and then not show the rest?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> er
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> why would df hang?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ?!
22:21 <wrtlprnft> df shouldn't hang
22:21 <wrtlprnft> du might
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> df hangs
22:21 * wrtlprnft always mixes these two up
22:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe some nfs partition that needs timing out?
22:21 * Lucifer_arma wonders if it's looking for a nfs partition that isn't there anymore
22:22 <wrtlprnft> same thought :D
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it is
22:22 * wrtlprnft is currently emerging ruby for nemo's script
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> in mtab it's there
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> can I just remove a file from mtab, or will that bork shit?
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> er, partition, not file
22:23 <wrtlprnft> dunno
22:23 <wrtlprnft> afaik mtab is a symlink to /proc/mounts
22:23 * wrtlprnft has some SVG sitting here he created with openoffce draw o_O
22:24 <wrtlprnft> let's see how borked that will be
22:26 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:26 <wrtlprnft> the script gives me an empty map
22:27 <wrtlprnft> gah, oodraw2 makes paths out of everything and nemo's script doesn't support them :S
22:27 <wrtlprnft> let's see how inkscape will perform
22:28 <wrtlprnft> gtk program, hope it's good :s
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #monologue
22:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 10 lines long.
22:29 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9E23.versanet.de] has quit [Success]
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
22:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it counts the line that you said #monologue! BUG BUG BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #monologue
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
22:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
22:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> awwww
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22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #dialog
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #dialogue
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody besides me ever read "wejp" and wonder if he wejped his butt?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> not me
22:32 <wejp> O.o
22:32 <wrtlprnft> o.O
22:32 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034178154.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> O.O
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> WHAT THE HELL IS AN EQUITY ACCOUNT?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /^.{1,3}$/ --nolimit
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:33:44] <Lucifer_arma> O.O, [15:33:34] <wrtlprnft> o.O, [15:33:24] <wejp> O.o, [15:32:27] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:27:06] <wrtlprnft> hmm, [15:22:07] <wrtlprnft> ?!, [15:21:58] <Lucifer_arma> er, [13:41:20] <Brooky> lol, [13:07:56] <Brooky> :(, [13:07:27] <Brooky> oh, [13:06:49] <wrtlprnft> hmm, [13:04:39] <Brooky> :(, (4 more messages)
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22:35 <Brooky> I got it working
22:35 <Brooky> :)
22:35 <wrtlprnft> :D
22:35 <Brooky> but
22:35 <Brooky> problem
22:36 <Brooky> i cant get my wireless working
22:36 <wrtlprnft> what card?
22:36 <Brooky> it was my first time on linux
22:36 <Brooky> and i was clueless
22:36 <Brooky> D link
22:36 <wrtlprnft> output of lspci?
22:36 <Brooky> Airpluss
22:36 <Brooky> erm
22:36 <Brooky> card
22:36 <Brooky> lol
22:36 <Brooky> DWL-650+
22:37 <wrtlprnft> http://theblackmoor.net/dlink.shtml <-- just googled that, maybe that might help
22:38 <wrtlprnft> get an intel card, those have native opensource drivers
22:38 <wrtlprnft> 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
22:39 <wrtlprnft> infact, that driver is even integrated into the kernel now, that means no more recompiling modules manually :)
22:40 <Brooky> so...
22:40 <Brooky> what shall i do?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> google
22:40 <Brooky> google what?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> for your card
22:41 <wrtlprnft> to see if there are any drivers
22:41 <Brooky> its PCMCIA my card
22:41 <wrtlprnft> though, if there was a driver it'd probably be included in knoppix
22:42 <Brooky> oh
22:43 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:43 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: stale NFS handle
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: uhhh, how do I get rid of it?
22:43 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: <big>
22:43 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: pray :)
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:44 <luke-jr_> that's one reason people don't like NFS
22:44 <luke-jr_> hehe
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> "Glory be to the great satan, please get rid of my stale nfs lock!"
22:44 <wrtlprnft> <SuPeRTaRD><SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:44 <SuPeRTaRD> its not <size xx>
22:44 <luke-jr_> I've had success be ensuring something is on the remote IP and using umount -f
22:44 <luke-jr_> eg, make sure there's a Connection refused reply
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> its <big> sample text </big> ?
22:45 <luke-jr_> sure
22:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> k
22:45 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: want to have your own arma server? :)
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> ty ! :)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> stop spamming
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> um
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> i could run one from here
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> prolly
22:46 <luke-jr_> not with low ping!
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> i have dsl now
22:46 * Lucifer_arma thinks luke-jr_ should get involved with Amway so he can be even more annoying than he is right now
22:46 <luke-jr_> who?
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> only 50k up
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> Amway.
22:46 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :)
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> #google Amway
22:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.43 seconds: Amway Corporation: <http://www.amway.com/>; Skeptic's Dictionary: Amway (Quixtar): <http://skepdic.com/amway.html>; Amway Sucks: <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/>; Amway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway>; Amway : The Continuing Story: <http://www.cocs.com/jhoagland/>; Anti-MLM and Anti- Amway Webring: (1 more message)
22:47 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: hey, if I get enough business, I can setup a dedicated server for the project =p
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> "if"
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> also, after you get the business, you have to keep it. :) Repeat customers = growth. No repeat customers = no growth
22:48 * wrtlprnft might rent a vserver for 5 bucks a month and host some servers on it for 3 bucks a month ;)
22:49 <wrtlprnft> the ping won't be as great, but average
22:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: services have repeat service builtin =p
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22:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: aww, why duplicate my work? =p
22:50 <wrtlprnft> duplicate?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> I won't, anyways
22:50 <wrtlprnft> too much potential trouble
22:50 <luke-jr_> heh
22:51 <luke-jr_> and you'd need to get the whole admin interface setup and such
22:51 <SuPeRTaRD> isnt there a <size x> html code for text size ? <big> dint work on my page
22:51 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's not
22:51 <luke-jr_> unless you were thinking just giving people ssh and that's all =p
22:51 <luke-jr_> there used to be a <font size="x">, but it's been gone for years
22:51 <wrtlprnft> DON'T use that
22:51 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: HTML isn't for appearance anyhow
22:51 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: use CSS
22:52 <wrtlprnft> if it's supposed to be a heading use <h2>
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> ok
22:52 <luke-jr_> or <h1>
22:52 <luke-jr_> depends on depth of the heading
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> which is bigger
22:52 <luke-jr_> ...
22:52 <wrtlprnft> SuPeRTaRD: none
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> if you just want to make it bigger and it's in the middle of a paragraph, hire a professional :)
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> its for my myspace page
22:52 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: h1 means top-heading
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> i want my quote to be bigger
22:52 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: h2 means next down
22:52 <luke-jr_> um
22:52 * luke-jr_ stops helping
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he doesn't like myspace
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> hey tard, I"ll give you some free webspace--for a price!
22:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:53 <SuPeRTaRD> yeh, i saw that on your page
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's free in the sense of you don't look like a dork using it, which coincidentally differentiates it from myspace quite handily
22:53 <Brooky> i cant figure this stuff out
22:53 <Brooky> lol
22:53 <SuPeRTaRD> pretty cheap too
22:53 <luke-jr_> if you donate $10/mo to me, I'll give you a free website! :)
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> i work part time for mininyum wage
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> sorry
22:54 <luke-jr_> lol
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> �8)
22:54 <Brooky> lol
22:54 <luke-jr_> hm
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> WHAT THE HELL IS AN EQUITY ACCOUNT?
22:55 <luke-jr_> we need to make it so people can play Arma professionally! =p
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> all my spare money goes towards imported beer & cigarettes & ... party favors
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> goto shrunkland i'll play you professionally
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> why is spiderman's girlfriend named mary jane?
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> ;p
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> the truth about peter parker:
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> he's not spiderman. He's a pothead who stays up late at night smoking dope and dreaming about being a superhero.
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have a real girlfriend, Mary Jane is the fantasy girl he has named after the thing he loves most in life
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> he's not a role model after all, sorry.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> actually, is there any chance we can get CIA fixed soon?
22:57 <luke-jr_> if SF replies...
22:57 <luke-jr_> or if we move Svn elsewhere
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> you could go open another ticket on sourceforge :)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> can't Lucifer_arma just undo whatever change he made? ;)
22:57 <luke-jr_> no
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> you don't think I tried that already?
22:58 <luke-jr_> the brokenness is in the "apply settings" step
22:58 <luke-jr_> regardless of what the settings applied are
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I just broke more shit, I'm sure
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> how badly does it hurt to move /tmp while the system is running?
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23:06 <Brooky> bye for now!
23:06 <Brooky> c ya
23:06 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ...
23:06 <luke-jr_> how so?
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23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I just moved tmp when I realized I moved /usr to the same partition as /tmp, and they were both mounted, so /tmp was in /usr and that was pretty stupid
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> so I umounted /tmp
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> now, why does gentoo want to use 4.8G on my /usr partition? isn't that a tad excessive?
23:13 <luke-jr_> why bother having separate partitions?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #dict equity
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: bouvier: EQUITY, COURT OF. A court of equity is one which administers justice, where there are no legal rights, or legal rights, but courts of law do not afford a complete, remedy, and where the complainant has also an equitable right. Vide Chancery; wn: equity n 1: the difference between the market value of a property and the (21 more messages)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: claims held against it 2: the ownership interest of shareholders in a corporation 3: conformity with rules or standards; "the judge recognized the fairness of my claim" [syn: {fairness}] [ant: {unfairness}, {unfairness}]; gcide: Equity \Eq"ui*ty\, n.; pl. {Equities}. [F. ['e]quit['e], L. aequitas, fr. aequus even, equal. See {Equal}.] 1. Equality of rights; natural justice or right; (20 more messages)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the giving, or desiring to give, to each man his due, according to reason, and the law of God to man; fairness in determination of conflicting claims; impartiality. [1913 Webster] Christianity secures both the private interests of men and the public peace, enforcing all justice and equity. --Tillotson. [1913 Webster] 2. (Law) An equitable claim; an equity of redemption; as, an equity (19 more messages)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: to a settlement, or wife's equity, etc. [1913 Webster] I consider the wife's equity to be too well settled to be shaken. --Kent. [1913 Webster] 3. (Law) A system of jurisprudence, supplemental to law, properly so called, and complemental of it. [1913 Webster] Equity had been gradually shaping itself into a refined science which no human faculties could master without long and intense (18 more messages)
23:19 <nemostultae> You've tried resyncing it today, Lucifer_arma? (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1524145&group_id=1&atid=200001)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> damn, web browser's locked right now
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> ok, resynced, somebody make a commit
23:35 <nemostultae> ok, just sec.
23:36 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5779 /tools/map-preview/trunk/README.txt: testing
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> thanks :)
23:37 <nemostultae> ohh, they have a link to the change now, too. http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
23:44 <wrtlprnft> CIA works again?
23:44 <nemostultae> yes
23:44 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:45 <luke-jr_> you know, in theory we don't need the CIA webpage =p
23:45 <wrtlprnft> stfu
23:45 <luke-jr_> u
23:45 <nemostultae> F4
23:45 <wrtlprnft> tomorrow i'll make some new maps, now that i have inkscape installed
23:45 <luke-jr_> hopefully they'll be better than mine =p
23:46 <wrtlprnft> openofice.org draw's export makes everything a <path>
23:46 <wrtlprnft> so the svg->aamap converter produces an empty map
23:47 <nemostultae> Oh, I checked the SVG outputted by Inkscape. I need to update the script a little. Zones don't work (they don't set the id attributes, rather they set inkscape:label)
23:47 <luke-jr_> we have such???
23:47 <wrtlprnft> I don't care about zones that much, it's not a lot of work to place them manually
23:47 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sometimes it is
23:47 <luke-jr_> see CTWF maps
23:48 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanna make a rather normal map
23:48 <luke-jr_> and the non-existent Puckmap-1.0
23:48 <luke-jr_> =p
23:48 <wrtlprnft> we need teleport zones for that map
23:48 <luke-jr_> yes
23:48 <luke-jr_> well
23:48 <luke-jr_> no
23:48 <luke-jr_> we need ph's borders
23:49 <luke-jr_> here's a potential requirement for the new config system
23:50 <luke-jr_> allow the server to load multiple maps
23:50 <luke-jr_> so you can have x puckmaps side-by-side
23:50 <luke-jr_> and then borders on the outer ones
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23:52 <Compn1> teleport?
23:52 <Compn1> where is teleport
23:52 <luke-jr_> ...
23:53 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: can you make your script translate line thickness or color to wall height?
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I miht be back in a minute
23:53 <wrtlprnft> that would be useful for me
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I might not. Might have to wait for my computer to finish updating
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23:54 <nemostultae> I'll add it to the list.
23:54 <mkzelda> >:/ ktorrent has snubbed all peers and im at 99.60%
23:54 <mkzelda> and i cant unsnub them
23:54 <Compn1> mkzelda : use a better torrent client :D
23:55 <mkzelda> ya for real
23:55 <mkzelda> wish there was one
23:55 <spidey> lol
23:55 <spidey> there is
23:55 <spidey> i forget the name
23:55 <mkzelda> there isnt for linux
23:55 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:55 <spidey> it starts with a A and has a frog icon
23:55 <spidey> there is
23:55 <Compn1> azureus
23:55 <spidey> ya
23:55 <Compn1> the best (java) client
23:55 <wrtlprnft> sloooow
23:55 <mkzelda> Azureus is not better than ktorrent by any means
23:56 <mkzelda> in linux
23:56 <spidey> was for me
23:56 <Compn1> ya its slow as shit, but its amazingly perfect
23:56 <Compn1> even tests your ports for you
23:56 <mkzelda> Ya it uses 99% cpu, 300mb ram, and crashes every 2 mins
23:56 <Compn1> hehe
23:56 <mkzelda> no thanks
23:56 <Compn1> maybe you need better JRE
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Compn1> linux has... standard bittorrent client
23:56 <spidey> ktorrent
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Compn1> lots of python clients
23:56 <mkzelda> ya, and it sux ass
23:57 <wrtlprnft> screw java, use MS .NET and C#!!!111oneoneeleven
23:57 <mkzelda> i like azureus most, but man
23:57 <mkzelda> its nowhere near good
23:57 <mkzelda> micro torrent is nice but win32
23:58 <spidey> use wine?
23:58 <mkzelda> i might, but thats just a whole new can of worms
23:58 <spidey> not really
23:58 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:58 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:58 <spidey> it's easy to install(on debian atleast)
23:59 <spidey> apt-get install wine
23:59 <spidey> ;x
23:59 <mkzelda> its easy to install but the way things work on it
23:59 <spidey> i used it on mandrivia
23:59 <mkzelda> i use it for a few things and i dont like it
23:59 <spidey> didn't have anyproblems
23:59 <spidey> except
23:59 <spidey> it sucks for games
23:59 <mkzelda> the way windows are rendered is messed up on almost all apps
23:59 <Compn1> utorrent is nice on windows
23:59 <mkzelda> i've had that problem for years
23:59 <mkzelda> ya, thats what i was talkin about
23:59 <Compn1> fast, small, prioritize rarest piece = best feature ever
23:59 <spidey> really?
23:59 <mkzelda> microtorrent
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00:00 <spidey> have you tried upgrading wine?
00:00 <mkzelda> ya
00:00 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
00:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
00:00 <spidey> wine is still young
00:00 <mkzelda> i've got newest
00:00 <spidey> it'll get better
00:00 <mkzelda> i've been using wine as long as ive been using linux, like 8 years + now
00:00 <mkzelda> i still dont like it
00:00 <mkzelda> heh
00:00 <spidey> well
00:01 <mkzelda> there are always issues
00:01 <spidey> there's other windows interpeters
00:01 <mkzelda> ya i actually run bochs
00:01 <spidey> darwinx
00:01 <spidey> saga
00:01 <spidey> i think it's saga,probably not
00:01 <mkzelda> im fond of bochs, its just slow
00:01 <mkzelda> runs like vmware, a whole session of windows
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> wow, kde restarted, I'm amazed
00:02 <spidey> ya i forgot about bmware
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> now how do I clear firefox's stupid lock so it'll start up?
00:02 <spidey> vmware
00:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, wait 5 minutes?
00:02 <Compn1> ask in #firefox channel
00:02 <mkzelda> rm ~/.mozilla-firefox/.locks
00:02 <Compn1> on irc.mozilla.org
00:02 <mkzelda> or something like that
00:03 <mkzelda> i've never had that lock
00:03 <mkzelda> used to get it all the time w/ mozilla
00:03 <spidey> me either
00:03 <mkzelda> it was /tmp/locks/X.lock
00:03 <spidey> when my kde restarts
00:03 <spidey> everything reopens
00:03 <spidey> ;x
00:04 <mkzelda> i fixed my problem w/ ktorrent by reopening it
00:04 <mkzelda> it doesnt remember who its snubbed
00:04 <spidey> i don't like ktorrent
00:04 <spidey> i forwarded ports and everything
00:04 <spidey> i get >50kb/s
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> aha, there really was a firefox process I had to kill
00:04 <mkzelda> im already fond of it, aside from it snubbing ppl
00:05 <spidey> so i'll just use vnc,my windows box, and ssh
00:05 <spidey> ;x
00:05 <spidey> oh, p2p to
00:05 <mkzelda> i have a windows box i keep alive solely for azureus
00:05 <mkzelda> but its painful
00:05 <mkzelda> to use windows, and to use something that requires more ram than the machine has
00:05 <spidey> how much ram you got?
00:06 <spidey> and how much is needed
00:06 <Compn1> i use azureus on mac
00:06 <Compn1> windows = utorrent
00:06 <spidey> 'x
00:06 <spidey> ;x
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> I once started an ftp download of the latest mandriva and a torrent at the same time to see which would get here first
00:06 <mkzelda> in the windows box, i have 256 or maybe +64 to that
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> the ftp did it, all 3 disks, while the torrent was still creeping along at like 5kb/s
00:06 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, torrents are only as good as the amount of people seeding
00:06 <Compn1> Lucifer_arma : behind a lan or firewall? :P
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> Compn1: with ports opened, even
00:07 <mkzelda> ive gotten gentoo distros and other things where the community shares well, max out my dl at 600k/s
00:07 <mkzelda> i was in this live music bt sharing scene
00:07 <spidey> hardly
00:07 <mkzelda> where your ratio was important
00:07 <mkzelda> so everyone seeded everything
00:07 <mkzelda> was nice
00:07 <spidey> i've used torrents good people shared and i still got shitty speeds
00:07 <mkzelda> every time u found anything you wanted, it was 600k/s
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> I've used torrent spidey shared and gotten dialup speeds
00:08 <mkzelda> BPI just shut it down :(
00:08 <spidey> lies
00:08 <spidey> i've never shared torrents :p
00:08 <spidey> well i have
00:08 <spidey> sorta
00:08 <spidey> i always get frustrated and kill the client
00:08 <Compn1> so where are people playing right now?
00:08 <Compn1> gamma? pigsty? fort?
00:08 <Compn1> crazy fort?
00:09 <spidey> #armaserver
00:09 <spidey> #armaservers
00:09 <spidey> O.o
00:09 <armabot> spidey: Bugfarm Fortress (15 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || XzL. Clan "The Server" (12 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (11 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (8 players) || Pig Sty in 0.2.8.2 (Teams, Shooting) (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (testing) (6 players) || Spiral's Den (3 players) || sylvs tavern in (1 more message)
00:09 <spidey> #more
00:09 <armabot> spidey: 0.2.7.1 (3 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (2 players) || Unnamed Server (1 players) || |AST| Server (Currently Fortress) (1 players) || ~*Sp*~eed Fortress (1 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (1 players)
00:09 <spidey> there ;x
00:09 <Compn1> ah cool
00:09 <spidey> ahahahahahahahahha
00:10 <spidey> lucifer
00:10 <spidey> remove your name from the namepicker
00:10 <spidey> i just got kicked from bf
00:10 <spidey> ;x
00:10 <mkzelda> oh yea!!!
00:10 <mkzelda> the site is back up
00:10 <mkzelda> the one that got shutdown by the bpi
00:10 <Compn1> bpi?
00:10 <mkzelda> its the uk equiv of riaa
00:10 <Compn1> i mean
00:10 <Compn1> what site?
00:10 <mkzelda> www.themixingbowl.org
00:10 <spidey> errrr
00:11 <spidey> i'm banned from bugfarm :(
00:11 <Compn1> what for?
00:11 * spidey pokes Lucifer_arma
00:11 <spidey> cause lucifer added his name which is protected by the server to his list
00:13 <mkzelda> haha what a jerk
00:15 <Vanhayes> heh for how long spidey?
00:17 <mkzelda> gentoo's new toolchain profiling system makes crossdev obsolete and me very happy
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00:17 <mkzelda> i didnt do anything more than turn on distcc and my amd64 is compiling for 686's
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> my name is protected by the server?
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> sorry spidey, I didn't know my name was protected by the server
00:18 <mkzelda> yea imagine how terrible it'd be if someone else played on the server pretending they were you
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'll update the namepicker to be a different Lucifer
00:18 <Compn1> hehe
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no kidding, mkzelda
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'd guess z-man did it when I mentioned I had a stalker, if not before then
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that's why Luzifer and adyLamespelling both changed to those spellings?
00:20 <mkzelda> ya, he's not lucifer, he's adylucifer
00:20 <mkzelda> its totally different
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, he at least tries to pretend he's the devil
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> you know, talking about living in hell and how hot it is and stuff
00:21 * Lucifer_arma wonders if Spain really is hotter than Texas
00:21 <mkzelda> haha
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> that kinda takes all the fun out of it, imo
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> more fun the play like you're a cannibal :)
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> or am I playing?
00:22 <mkzelda> nothing is wrong with eating human
00:22 <mkzelda> if god didnt want us to eat human, why did he make them out of meat?
00:22 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5780 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/lucifer.txt: Changed spelling of Lucifur so innocent script users don't get banned from their favorite server. Sorry about that! I didn't know the name was protected.
00:23 <mkzelda> so how do i get into this namepicker
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/namepicker
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> then read the documentation that's provided
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> then ask questions that aren't answered there :)
00:23 <mkzelda> ok
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00:26 <mkzelda> ok im looking at it
00:26 <mkzelda> and i read the readme, do i just make something like Lucifer.txt
00:26 <mkzelda> im sorry im more confused having read it
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> hanging curtains right now, bbiab
00:31 <mkzelda> im just making my list until i can figure out what i do with it
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00:35 <Vanhayes> hmm why doesnt that link work for me?
00:36 <mkzelda> what link?
00:37 <mkzelda> svn?
00:37 <Vanhayes> ya
00:37 <mkzelda> dunno, worked for me
00:37 <Vanhayes> not only doesnt it work it opens it in IE
00:37 <mkzelda> heh, ew
00:37 <mkzelda> IE
00:37 <Vanhayes> yup
00:37 <Vanhayes> wow for some reason this time it did work
00:38 <mkzelda> i've made my file
00:38 <mkzelda> i made the script recognize it
00:38 <mkzelda> but i dont know howt o make the game know to use it
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00:41 <spidey> oh
00:41 <spidey> i'ma add a teamname thing
00:41 <spidey> gotta find the key for it,brb
00:42 <mkzelda> spidey,
00:42 <mkzelda> wait
00:42 <spidey> ?
00:42 <mkzelda> how do i use this name picker
00:42 <mkzelda> i mean, ive got my list and such
00:42 * spidey points to Lucifer_arma
00:42 <mkzelda> i've done a -a to add it
00:42 <mkzelda> :(
00:42 <mkzelda> he's hanging curtains
00:42 <spidey> lol
00:42 <spidey> well
00:42 <spidey> drop tron.py into /usr/bin
00:42 <spidey> open terminal
00:43 <spidey> tron.py
00:43 <spidey> or wait
00:43 <mkzelda> namepicker.py but i know what u mean
00:43 <spidey> it's namepicker.py
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00:43 <spidey> forgot i renamed mine
00:43 <Vanhayes_> stupid connection
00:46 <mkzelda> but then what?
00:46 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034178154.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
00:46 <mkzelda> thats where im at
00:46 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034178154.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
00:46 <mkzelda> Vanhayes, i added a lot of deviations of your name to my random nicklist
00:46 <mkzelda> ones from last night :D
00:46 <Vanhayes_> hehe
00:46 <mkzelda> Vangayes and vanganus
00:46 <mkzelda> GAY-VAN
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py --help ?
00:46 <mkzelda> those were too funny to ignore
00:46 <mkzelda> ya i've run that
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> is armagetronad in your path?
00:46 <mkzelda> ya
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py -a /path/to/file ?
00:47 <mkzelda> ya
00:47 <mkzelda> i've done that too
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> do it multiple times for multiple files...
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok
00:47 <mkzelda> i only hav eone
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> namepicker.py to play
00:47 <spidey> luci
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey
00:47 <spidey> gimme some teamnames
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> People Eaters :)
00:47 <mkzelda> if i do that i get errors
00:48 <spidey> mm
00:48 <spidey> need more
00:48 <spidey> O.o
00:48 <spidey> mkzelda, gimme some teamnames
00:48 <mkzelda> Smegheads?
00:48 <spidey> lol
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> what errors?
00:48 <spidey> k
00:48 <mkzelda> Mighty Ducks
00:48 <mkzelda> Douchebags
00:48 <spidey> lol
00:49 <spidey> no
00:49 <mkzelda> Turd Sandwiches
00:49 <mkzelda> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg'
00:49 <mkzelda> i dont have that
00:49 <spidey> duh :p
00:49 <spidey> su - mkzelda
00:49 <mkzelda> touch it?
00:49 <spidey> you can't run it as root
00:49 <mkzelda> oh
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> don't run it as root you dipshit
00:49 <spidey> hahaha
00:49 <mkzelda> i usually play as root, cause i used to have issues otherwise
00:49 <mkzelda> that was a long time ago tho... guess ill see
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> the script assumes a standard arma installation
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> so ~/.armagetronad/var has to exist, it won't create it
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> important instruction left out of the docs
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> you have to create autoexec.cfg
00:50 <spidey> awe
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> and you have to put in it the config items you want randomized
00:50 <spidey> that's no fair!
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> usually PLAYER_1
00:51 * Lucifer_arma intends to add a "generate autoexec.cfg" flag at some point
00:51 <mkzelda> how do i give my user permission to use SDL?
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00:52 <mkzelda> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in ../../armagetronad/src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:645 :
00:52 <mkzelda> Couldn't initialize SDL: Unable to open a console terminal
00:52 <Lizz> hiya guys :)
00:53 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ tron.py
00:53 <spidey> Traceback (most recent call last):
00:53 <spidey> File "/usr/bin/tron.py", line 543, in ?
00:53 <spidey> main()
00:53 <spidey> File "/usr/bin/tron.py", line 488, in main
00:53 <spidey> canOpen, choices = ReadChoicesFile(a['path'])
00:53 <spidey> KeyError: 'path'
00:53 <spidey> ugh
00:53 <spidey> :/
00:53 <spidey> gay
00:53 <spidey> anyways
00:53 <spidey> fixed
00:54 <spidey> the script adds a comma to the end of the choices
00:54 <spidey> and it won't start cause of that
00:54 <spidey> O.o
00:54 <spidey> nvm
00:54 <spidey> stupid user mistake
00:54 <spidey> ;D
00:55 * Lizz wanders off for a smoke
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question mkzelda
00:56 <spidey> weee
00:56 * spidey uploads teamname thing
00:56 <mkzelda> :/
00:56 <mkzelda> this is why i tron as root
00:57 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, http://fallin-angels.com/teamname.txt
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> fine, make autoexec.cfg in your root home directory, just don't bitch at me if you get rooted
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> and fix that problem! Arg.
00:58 <spidey> haha
00:59 <mkzelda> well usually you do a gpasswd -a username games
00:59 <mkzelda> but i dont have a group games
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01:00 <mkzelda> even if i add it, its not going to have appropriate perms
01:01 <mkzelda> ok
01:01 <mkzelda> how do i remove an item from the list
01:01 <mkzelda> and how do i tell it what values i want it to use?
01:02 <mkzelda> i mean, i have the file in the list
01:02 <mkzelda> i run the program, which starts tron, but it hasnt selected a name for me cause i need to tell it to use Player_1?
01:03 <spidey> ok
01:03 <mkzelda> namepicker.py -c player_1=?
01:03 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, everything i upload will go in http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
01:03 <spidey> i just removed a shitload of junk fromt he server
01:03 <spidey> lol
01:03 <spidey> mkzelda?
01:03 <mkzelda> yea
01:04 <spidey> what you talking about?
01:04 <mkzelda> i can run the script
01:04 <mkzelda> i have namepicker.py -a mkzelda.txt
01:04 <spidey> ok?
01:04 <mkzelda> i can run namepicker.py after that, but it doesnt select a name
01:04 <spidey> post the what you put in it
01:04 <mkzelda> and based on what Lucifer_arma said, i need to do the -c to tell it which variable i want it to set
01:05 <mkzelda> post what i put in what? my mkzelda.txt?
01:05 <spidey> ya
01:05 <mkzelda> [header]
01:05 <mkzelda> name = PLAYER_1
01:05 <mkzelda> [name]
01:05 <mkzelda> Genghis Tron
01:05 <mkzelda> deltron
01:05 <mkzelda> deltron 3030
01:05 <mkzelda> JesusChrist
01:05 <mkzelda> VirginMary-SLUT
01:05 <mkzelda> AshittytacO
01:05 <mkzelda> VanGayes
01:05 <mkzelda> VanGaynus
01:06 <spidey> mm
01:06 <spidey> ok
01:06 <spidey> open /home/root/.namepicker
01:06 <spidey> with kwrite
01:07 <mkzelda> k
01:07 <spidey> paste it in here
01:07 <mkzelda> [main]
01:07 <mkzelda> choices = mkzelda.txt
01:07 <mkzelda> [mkzelda.txt]
01:07 <mkzelda> weight = 0
01:07 <mkzelda> path = mkzelda.txt
01:08 <spidey> there
01:08 <spidey> where's your mkzelda .txt at?
01:08 <mkzelda> ~
01:08 <spidey> ok
01:09 <spidey> change mkzelda.txt to ~home/root/mkzelda.txt
01:09 <spidey> minus ~
01:09 <mkzelda> done
01:09 <spidey> save it run the script again
01:09 <mkzelda> just the path = ?
01:09 <spidey> ya
01:09 <mkzelda> still doesnt fix it
01:09 <spidey> ?
01:09 <mkzelda> still doesnt use any names from the list
01:09 <spidey> open ~.armagetronad/var/autoexec.cfg
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01:10 <spidey> did you add PLAYER_1 and all that to it?
01:10 <mkzelda> What content should be in it
01:10 <mkzelda> mine is blank
01:10 <spidey> ok
01:10 <spidey> add this
01:10 <spidey> PLAYER_1
01:10 <spidey> COLOR_R_1
01:10 <spidey> COLOR_G_1
01:10 <spidey> COLOR_B_1
01:10 <spidey> that's all
01:11 <mkzelda> k
01:11 <spidey> save and rerun it
01:11 <mkzelda> sweet
01:11 <mkzelda> thank you
01:11 <spidey> :p
01:12 <mkzelda> that is nice
01:12 <mkzelda> the colors dont seem to randomize
01:12 <mkzelda> they are working, but they have been the same twice in a row
01:12 <spidey> they should
01:12 <spidey> well
01:12 <mkzelda> oh, fluke
01:13 <spidey> did you add colors.txt to the config?
01:13 <mkzelda> it changed next try
01:13 <mkzelda> yea its working, just happened that random x 16 x 3
01:13 <mkzelda> got same results 2x in a row
01:13 <mkzelda> go figure
01:13 <spidey> lol
01:14 <mkzelda> awesome
01:14 <mkzelda> i put a bunch of names like "I Love Holes"
01:14 <spidey> upload them somewhere and give us a link :p
01:14 <mkzelda> ok
01:14 <mkzelda> I'll complete the list and do that
01:14 <spidey> i'm uploading mine again
01:14 <spidey> in a second
01:15 <mkzelda> an empty line wont throw off the parser will it?
01:15 <spidey> shouldn't
01:16 <mkzelda> ok
01:16 <mkzelda> I want to bunch types together
01:16 <mkzelda> like all the vangayes
01:16 <mkzelda> so someone can easily remove just the vangayes
01:16 <Vanhayes> so what exactally would I need for me to use this?
01:17 <mkzelda> python interpreter in windows?
01:17 <spidey> and alot of editing
01:17 <spidey> i could do it for you,but you'll have to figure out how to run it :p
01:17 <Compn1> an bugfarm = fun
01:18 <spidey> ok
01:18 <Vanhayes> how hard would it be to try and run it?
01:18 <spidey> mkzelda, Lucifer_arma http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
01:18 <spidey> there's where i'll put the things
01:18 <spidey> Vanhayes, not hard
01:19 <Vanhayes> hey you stole my Who? name
01:19 <spidey> nuh uh
01:19 <Vanhayes> been using that for months
01:19 <spidey> it was mine first
01:19 <spidey> me to :)
01:19 <Vanhayes> lol
01:19 <spidey> i used Who? and What?
01:19 <Vanhayes> heh
01:20 <Vanhayes> so spidey wanna do that for me, so I can have this too?
01:20 <spidey> erm
01:20 <spidey> yaa,what windows version you got?
01:20 <Vanhayes> XP
01:21 <mkzelda> this would be cool for aa server variables
01:22 <spidey> Vanhayes,
01:22 <spidey> download and isntall this
01:22 <spidey> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pywin32/pywin32-209.win32-py2.4.exe?download
01:22 <mkzelda> dont know if u guys ever played bomberman games, but the winner would get various power ups for the next match
01:22 <spidey> install it like it wants
01:22 <mkzelda> it'd be cool to give the winner an extra rubber point or w/ the new deathmatch respawn, a respawn when everyone else doesnt get one
01:23 <spidey> er
01:23 <spidey> /usr/bin always stalls when i try to open it :(
01:23 <anjori> because it's loaded with apps
01:24 <anjori> why put the script in /usr/bin? just create a bin dir in your home directory and add it to your path
01:24 <spidey> i put it in /usr/bin so all i have to do is tron.py in konsole to run it
01:25 <Vanhayes> hmm says I need python 2.4
01:25 <spidey> lol
01:25 <spidey> you're downloading python2.4
01:25 <spidey> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pywin32/pywin32-209.win32-py2.4.exe?download
01:25 <spidey> get that
01:25 <spidey> lol
01:25 <anjori> spidey: right, add /home/spidey/bin to your path. then you can still do that
01:26 <Lizz> sorry to interupt.. bloddy spider wont answer his IMs :P.. but.....as a server admin.. from ur admin panel in tron can u see the private messages ppl send to each other and what they say?
01:26 <Lizz> bloody*
01:26 <spidey> yes
01:26 <Lizz> thx
01:26 <anjori> eek. that's kinda creepy
01:26 <Vanhayes> bbiab gotta mow the lawn before it gets too dark
01:27 <spidey> :/
01:27 <Lizz> its very creepy and PMs arent Pms then...
01:28 <Lizz> and i wont be using that feature again
01:29 <Lizz> very very interesting.. ty spider for the info
01:29 <spidey> lizz
01:29 <spidey> do me a favor
01:30 <spidey> tell me the exact path to autoexec.cfg
01:30 <spidey> it's like
01:30 <spidey> C:\program files\armagetron advanced\config\autoexec.cfg
01:30 <spidey> isn't it?
01:30 <Lizz> erm
01:30 <Lizz> one sec
01:33 <Lizz> yes it is
01:33 <Lizz> in the old version
01:33 <spidey> new one?
01:34 <Lizz> umm
01:34 <Lizz> i dont have it in the new one
01:35 <spidey> nvm
01:35 <spidey> i'll use the windows box to do it ;D
01:35 <spidey> gotta install python first
01:38 * anjori sucks at coming up with names
01:39 <spidey> ok
01:39 <spidey> sorry hayes
01:39 <spidey> i gave you the link for extensions
01:39 <spidey> http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.4.3/python-2.4.3.msi
01:39 <spidey> there's the installer
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01:40 <spidey> bah
01:42 <Compn1> yay win for blue team
01:42 * Compn1 goes food
01:50 <Vanhayes> spidey: ok done installing both of those, whats next?
01:51 <spidey> hold on
01:54 <spidey> ok
01:54 <spidey> i'm willing to bet i fucked this up
01:54 <spidey> ;D
01:54 <spidey> running it brb
01:54 <Vanhayes> k
01:55 <spidey> Lizz, ?
01:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
01:55 <anjori> spidey, ?
01:55 <anjori> anjori, ?
01:56 <spidey> ...
01:56 * spidey slaps anjori
01:59 <Lizz> spider
02:03 <spidey> what?
02:05 <Lizz> shoot.. i forgot the damn question >.<
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> spidey:
02:13 <spidey> nvm
02:13 <spidey> got it
02:13 <spidey> now i just gotta get it to read/write to the config file
02:14 <spidey> C:\Python24>python.exe C:\tron.py
02:14 <spidey> Traceback (most recent call last):
02:14 <spidey> File "C:\tron.py", line 543, in ?
02:14 <spidey> main()
02:14 <spidey> File "C:\tron.py", line 501, in main
02:14 <spidey> autoexec = GetAutoexec()
02:14 <spidey> File "C:\tron.py", line 338, in GetAutoexec
02:14 <spidey> fp = OpenAutoexec("r")
02:14 <spidey> File "C:\tron.py", line 333, in OpenAutoexec
02:14 <spidey> fp = open(os.path.expanduser('autoexec.cfg'), mode)
02:14 <spidey> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'autoexec.cfg'
02:14 <spidey> i don't understand that!
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's failing to open and read autoexec.cfg
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> umm, you need to add a config option to handle this, actually
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> make it something like "armagetronvardir"
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> hve it be the absolute path to the armagetron var dir and let the user fill it in
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> then make that open line read like this:
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> fp = open(os.path.expanduser(os.path.join(YOURCONFIGVARIABLE, 'autoexec.cfg') ), mode)
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> probably should add a parameter to OpenAutoexec to take the basepath there and have the caller set it from the configurator object
02:18 <spidey> mm
02:19 <spidey> appearently it's reading the namepickerrc
02:19 <spidey> but it's not
02:19 <spidey> C:\Python24>python.exe C:\tron.py -s
02:19 <spidey> Showing config
02:19 <spidey> name: PLAYER_1
02:19 <spidey> Available choices:
02:19 <spidey> spidey.txt
02:19 <spidey> but it's not showing it in \namepickerrc
02:19 <spidey> :/
02:21 <spidey> ahahah
02:21 <spidey> that's so fucked up
02:21 <spidey> dude
02:21 <spidey> !
02:21 <spidey> there's something weird with the python interpeter for windows
02:21 <spidey> it won't accept \autoexec.cfg
02:22 <spidey> but it'll accept \exec.cfg
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> ?
02:23 <spidey> ok
02:23 <spidey> look
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> are you putting \ in the script anywhere? You should be using os.path to handle path separators
02:24 <spidey> C:\Python24>python.exe C:\tron.py
02:24 <spidey> CStarting armagetronad
02:24 <spidey> '\Program' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
02:24 <spidey> operable program or batch file.
02:24 <spidey> Done!
02:24 <spidey> i can fix the error
02:24 <spidey> but
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> you're putting \ in the string, don't do that!
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> use os.path.join() to do it
02:24 <spidey> er
02:24 <spidey> watch
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> os.path.join('c:', 'Program Files', 'whatever')
02:24 <spidey> !
02:25 <spidey> it changes the name
02:25 <spidey> look
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> show me the os.system() line
02:25 <spidey> File "C:\tron.py", line 333, in OpenAutoexec
02:25 <spidey> fp = open(os.path.expanduser('\autoexec.cfg'), mode)
02:25 <spidey> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '\x07utoexec.cfg'
02:25 <spidey> nonono
02:25 <spidey> python
02:25 <spidey> it won't read it :/
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> of course it changes the name
02:25 <spidey> why?
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> you put \ in the string! don't do that!
02:25 <spidey> well
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> use os.path.join() like I said
02:25 <spidey> it won't read it otherwise
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> ack
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, read the python documentation on os.path, I'm tired of repeating myself :)
02:26 <spidey> lol
02:30 <spidey> ok
02:30 <spidey> only 1 error now :s
02:35 * spidey is tired and gives up ;D
02:36 <Vanhayes> heh o well
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02:36 <Vanhayes> ill just have to think up random names my self
02:41 <spidey> lol
02:41 <spidey> or install linux :p
02:41 <Vanhayes> meh
02:42 <Vanhayes> something is fucked up in pigsty for me
02:43 <Lucifer_arma> besides the fact that you go in there and shoot people?
02:43 <spidey> haha
02:43 <Vanhayes> heh ya
02:45 <Vanhayes> wow its happening in all servers
02:45 <Vanhayes> everyone stops moving but I keep going un till I hit a wall that I cant see
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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02:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
02:53 <Lucifer_arma> brb again, heh
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03:21 <spidey> dook
03:21 <spidey> mkzelda,
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04:35 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, my big nasty build is almost finished!
04:45 <spidey> O.o
04:47 <spidey> hahah
04:47 <spidey> appearently someone likes my name
04:47 <spidey> there's a blaze clone in swampland ;x
04:53 <Lizz> aaaaaaaaanj??? u there?
04:54 <Lizz> aww buggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> rebooting into my newly built system :)
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04:58 <Lizz> spider???
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05:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
05:01 * Lucifer_arma kisses armabot
05:28 * Lucifer_arma yodels
05:28 * Lucifer_arma listens for the echo
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
05:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
05:31 <anjori> Lizz: you requested my presence?
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05:49 <spidey> lizz?
05:50 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5781 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/namepicker.py: Some cross-platform work
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> spidey?
05:50 <spidey> yes mam
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you still want to make it work in windows, update namepicker
05:51 <spidey> ?
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> the 3 functions you need to change start on line 314
05:51 <spidey> k
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's where it automatically detects what's there
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> there are also some new config items you can try to use :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> armabindir and armahome
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05:54 <spidey> return os.path.join("c:", "Program Files", "Armagetron Advanced")
05:54 <spidey> what does it want there?
05:54 <spidey> the autoexec file?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, the path to the directory that armagetronad is in
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> the armagetronad.exe file specifically
05:55 <spidey> k
05:55 <spidey> that's right then
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, that's where it's installed :)
05:56 <Compn> spidey
05:56 <Compn> you playing practice tonight or what?
05:56 <spidey> ya
05:56 <Compn> its time?
05:56 <anjori> should i check out the latest version also, not needing the windows changes?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: nah, the only thing I've done is rearranged to accomodate windows
05:57 <spidey> ya kama gimme a bit
05:57 <spidey> mkzelda, ?
05:57 <anjori> k
05:57 * Lucifer_arma is rebuilding arma so he can play a few rounds
06:05 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: there is no limit on respawns
06:07 <Lizz> aaaaaaaaanj
06:08 <Lizz> anjori ill brb but i want u for a sec when i come back ;-)
06:08 <anjori> uh-oh
06:12 <Lizz> oh :P
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06:26 <spidey> Vanhayes, ?
06:26 <Vanhayes> ya?
06:26 <spidey> we need more gold in the server
06:26 <spidey> come in ;d
06:27 <Vanhayes> er i guess I might as well try it out again
06:27 <Vanhayes> spidey: whatserver?
06:27 <spidey> mine
06:28 <spidey> sws practice
06:28 <spidey> ;D
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> fuckin' lag
06:31 <spidey> sec
06:32 <spidey> hmm
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh, spidey, poo asked me if I was still mbc
06:32 <spidey> somethings weird
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I might have said no
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, he asked me if I left mbc and I said no, that's it
06:32 <Compn1> doh
06:32 <spidey> argh
06:32 <spidey> it won't restart :/
06:32 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
06:33 <Vanhayes> hmm ya whatever is happening to my cliient or something is still fucked up
06:33 <Compn1> another server ?
06:33 <spidey> hmmm
06:33 <spidey> site isn't loading
06:33 <Compn1> tplay at LOL fort ;p
06:33 <spidey> phpBB : Critical Error
06:33 <spidey> Could not connect to the database
06:33 <spidey> you guys get that to?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have a new name, heh. since I shut down arma...
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> waiting for fallin-angels.can'tspell
06:33 <Compn1> or AST fortress
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> restart mysqld?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> first do top
06:34 <spidey> hmm
06:34 <spidey> i can't even ssh
06:34 <spidey> O.o
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> are you getting rooted, spidey?
06:34 <spidey> not me
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:34 <spidey> would be my webhost
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm.........
06:34 <spidey> ahahahah
06:34 <spidey> this fucker's so dead
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is. :(
06:34 <spidey> i think he wants a war
06:35 <spidey> i gave someone ssh,i bet he fucked it over
06:35 <Lizz> o.O
06:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,
06:35 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/spidey/
06:35 <spidey> you see that?
06:35 <nemostultae> yes
06:35 <spidey> erm
06:35 <Compn1> ya it works
06:35 <spidey> ohhhh
06:36 <spidey> hold on
06:36 <Compn1> you use a lot of nicks ;p
06:36 <spidey> i got prompted
06:36 <spidey> here we go
06:36 <spidey> holy shit
06:36 <spidey> here's a load you'll never see again
06:36 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
06:36 <spidey> 05:37:09 up 27 days, 11:01, 1 user, load average: 75.07, 97.06, 50.28
06:37 <Compn1> nah i've seen 100's ;p
06:37 <spidey> the httpd is overloading
06:37 <spidey> 9849 root 15 0 2312 424 84 S 99.9 0.0 54:55 0 httpd
06:37 <Vanhayes> wasnt it up for a couple hundred just a few days ago?
06:37 <spidey> that's another server
06:37 <Compn1> upacreek is on msn
06:37 <Vanhayes> ok
06:40 <spidey> ok
06:40 <spidey> loads are down
06:40 <spidey> O.o
06:40 <Compn1> it back up?
06:40 <spidey> is now
06:50 <spidey> bah
06:50 <spidey> it won't let me back in
06:50 <spidey> :/
06:50 <spidey> ssh anyways
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06:55 <spidey> mm
06:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,
06:55 <spidey> luke-jr_,
06:58 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
06:58 <spidey> 05:59:14 up 27 days, 11:23, 1 user, load average: 72.69, 111.17, 84.13
06:58 <spidey> :/
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07:04 <spidey> looks like it's nothing i can fix
07:04 <spidey> m_$4@S*-t3R
07:04 <spidey> O.o
07:05 <spidey> you gotta be shitting me
07:05 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ ssh fallin-angels.com
07:05 <spidey> spidey@fallin-angels.com's password:
07:05 <spidey> Permission denied, please try again.
07:05 <spidey> spidey@fallin-angels.com's password:
07:05 <spidey> Permission denied, please try again.
07:05 <spidey> !
07:06 <spidey> i'm fixing to have me a 1gbit server in sweeden if this guy doesn't fuck off
07:07 <spidey> m_$4@S*-t3R
07:07 <spidey> :|
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07:22 <spidey> ok
07:22 <spidey> i got ssh back
07:22 <spidey> ;D
07:22 * spidey is so gonna get introuble by his host
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07:37 <Lizz> spider?
07:39 <Lizz> spider: if u see lodas in IM plz ask her to check city PM
07:39 <spidey> ?
07:39 <Lizz> u have lodas in IM yes?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> damn, where'd your mom go?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know if your mom has a sourceforge account already?
07:41 <luke-jr_> spidey:
07:41 <spidey> Lizz,
07:41 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,
07:41 <spidey> er
07:41 <spidey> luke-jr_,
07:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: u were gonna PM me
07:41 <spidey> oh ya
07:41 <spidey> you get that?
07:41 <luke-jr_> ya
07:41 <luke-jr_> what's that webhost doin to you?
07:42 <spidey> being mean ;D
07:42 <luke-jr_> how?
07:42 <spidey> for now anyways
07:42 <spidey> 1
07:42 <luke-jr_> .
07:42 <spidey> httpd and mysql are hogging the cpu cycle
07:42 <spidey> 2 disabled shell, i have that back now
07:42 <luke-jr_> no
07:42 <luke-jr_> it's 99.4% idl
07:42 <luke-jr_> e
07:42 <spidey> ?
07:42 <spidey> ..
07:43 <luke-jr_> CPU states: 0.1% user 0.3% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 99.4% idle
07:43 <spidey> ???
07:43 <spidey> i'm talking about fallin-angels
07:43 <luke-jr_> me too
07:43 <spidey> wtf
07:43 <spidey> these are the last loads i got off it
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> try again, it's responsive now
07:43 <luke-jr_> that's live
07:44 <luke-jr_> 06:44:37 up 27 days, 12:08, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 1.50, 28.44
07:44 <spidey> <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
07:44 <spidey> <spidey> 05:59:14 up 27 days, 11:23, 1 user, load average: 72.69, 111.17, 84.13
07:44 <spidey> that's the last ones i got :/
07:44 <luke-jr_> 06:44:53 up 27 days, 12:09, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 1.42, 27.98
07:44 <spidey> mm
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's an awesome server if it can go up to 111
07:44 <luke-jr_> hehe
07:44 <spidey> lol
07:44 <luke-jr_> maybe it's per CPU?
07:44 <luke-jr_> so 111 would be 111 of 200?
07:44 <spidey> dunno
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's a Marshall?
07:45 <luke-jr_> but they only have 1 CPU...
07:45 <spidey> maybe it's a marshin
07:45 <luke-jr_> a 1 GHz duron
07:45 <spidey> dunno
07:45 <spidey> those are the loads i got
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> oh come on, even I know that Spinal Tap joke and I haven't even seen the movie...
07:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: check again =p
07:45 <spidey> i did
07:45 <luke-jr_> 06:46:25 up 27 days, 12:10, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 1.13, 25.42
07:45 <luke-jr_> that's right now
07:45 <spidey> yea
07:46 <spidey> answer the pm!
07:46 <luke-jr_> I did
07:46 <luke-jr_> i said pong
07:46 <luke-jr_> and ...
07:46 <spidey> i gotta email ground pig,he's gonna send me the source
07:47 <spidey> ident,duh
07:47 <spidey> :p
07:47 <luke-jr_> um
07:47 <luke-jr_> pig's src is on the forum
07:47 <spidey> it is? O.o
07:47 <luke-jr_> ya
07:47 <spidey> where?
07:47 <luke-jr_> you want 0.2.8.2-pig ?
07:47 <luke-jr_> in the sty thread
07:47 <spidey> ya
07:47 <luke-jr_> ok
07:48 <spidey> when fios gets out here i might start hosting tron servers O.o
07:49 <luke-jr_> fios?
07:49 <spidey> it'll be 15mbps down and 2mbps up
07:49 <luke-jr_> that's bandwidth
07:49 <spidey> fiber optic?
07:49 <luke-jr_> how about latency?
07:49 <luke-jr_> cable is fibre optics
07:49 <spidey> well
07:49 <spidey> when verizon starts servicing out here
07:50 <luke-jr_> you assume latency will improve =p
07:50 <spidey> i didn't say that
07:50 <spidey> i just said i'd host them
07:50 <spidey> lol
07:50 <luke-jr_> =p
07:50 <luke-jr_> btw in case I didn't tell u
07:50 <luke-jr_> https://lightfoot.dashjr.org/aa-admin/
07:51 <spidey> luke
07:51 <spidey> identify
07:51 <spidey> so you can send pm's
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07:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: does it work now
07:54 <luke-jr_> ?
07:54 <spidey> ay
07:54 <spidey> ya
08:06 <spidey> mmm
08:06 <spidey> i think i went wrong somewhere
08:07 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/spidey/index.php/
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08:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5782 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp): Fixed some clientside collision prediction quirks.
08:37 <Lizz> well.. thats a boring link :P
08:39 <anjori> why does pigsty keep disappearing? :-/
08:41 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
08:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
08:45 <Lizz> anj
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> WHY THE FUCK DOES EMERGE BEEP!?!?!?!?
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08:51 <Lizz> coz it wants to be noticed?? o.O
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, it was pretty annoying. I was jamming on my bass with hydrogen playing some drums, then decided to emerge my icecast client, and the fucking thin beeped at me :(
08:54 <Lizz> it wanted ur attention.. u should be flattered to be "beeped" at in such a way *hides from loooceees wrath*
08:55 <spidey> Lizz,
08:55 <spidey> come to us fortress ;x
08:55 <Lizz> i will :D
08:56 <Lizz> just playing in PM with anj one sec
08:56 <spidey> tell him to come to
08:56 <Lizz> kk
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09:03 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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09:04 <Grrrrrr> stupid bloody puter >.<
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09:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> weird, if I run startxfce4 as root it starts fine. If I login from kdm as a normal user, no go.
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09:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
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09:43 <anjori> http://www.nothingisreal.com/girlfriend/
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.nothingisreal.com/girlfriend/mail01
09:51 <anjori> heh. that was a fun one, too
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> bugfarm is full with only 5 players?!?
09:53 <anjori> hmm. i'm not even seeing it on my list
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09:54 <philippeqc> morning
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> morning
09:56 <spidey> lol?
09:57 <spidey> anjori that seems like something you'd write
09:58 <anjori> huh?
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> man, my bots are awesome
09:59 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=75691#75691
09:59 <wrtlprnft> i like that avatar and user rank
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> round winner?
10:00 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> you looking at vertigo or sabarai?
10:02 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/sabarai.png
10:02 <wrtlprnft> I'm loking at the post I linked to
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm seeing two posts in my window, and the top of the window is halfway through tank's post
10:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, nice idea guru3
10:04 <guru3> :)
10:04 <spidey> wrtl?
10:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey?
10:07 * wrtlprnft loves if spidey wakes wrtlprnft without specifying a reason
10:08 <spidey> you was alseep? O.o
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> I got killed by Buffy!
10:09 * wrtlprnft is half- asleep
10:11 * Lizz pokes holes in spiders web coz she can
10:12 <wrtlprnft> doesn't a web have holes already by definition?
10:13 <Lizz> not ones made by fingers it dosent
10:13 * wrtlprnft wouldn't touch spidey's web with a long stick
10:14 <Lizz> use a short one then :P
10:14 <wrtlprnft> even worse
10:14 <Lizz> meh
10:14 * philippeqc observe that Lizz is into throwing insults at people
10:14 <philippeqc> spidey, meet Lizz . Lizz, meet spidey
10:15 <wrtlprnft> they know each other already
10:15 * Lizz agrees with phils assessment
10:15 <Lizz> lmao
10:15 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes but probably they didnt notice each other THAT way before
10:15 <Lizz> intimately lol ......... hes my son heh
10:16 <philippeqc> ok not THAT way, just the "x thows insult at y" way
10:16 <philippeqc> ;)
10:16 <Lizz> heh
10:16 <philippeqc> wow, that is unusual
10:16 <wrtlprnft> would a hungry lizzard eat a spider?
10:16 <Lizz> yes
10:16 <wrtlprnft> very good
10:16 <Lizz> lol
10:16 <Lizz> but not gonna coz i like him.. he amuses me lol
10:16 * wrtlprnft has to take care that Lizz gets very hungry some time
10:17 <Lizz> lol
10:17 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: living in a place infested with hungry lizard doesn't sound like a good solution to remove spiders from your surrounding.... Seeing them climb up the wall all the time.... ush
10:18 <wrtlprnft> well, I'll feed her again once one spider is gone
10:18 <Lizz> :)
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> hey, y'all come in here
10:18 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:18 <Lizz> where?
10:18 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
10:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> gah
10:19 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you realise that spidey is not officially being mobbed online (indirectly) by his mom?
10:19 <wrtlprnft> kinda
10:19 <wrtlprnft> !~
10:19 <wrtlprnft> err
10:19 <Lizz> o.O
10:20 * philippeqc notes on my list "Never, EVER cross wrtlprnft!"
10:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:24 <wrtlprnft> !~ = shell bang ;)
10:25 <anjori> ?
10:25 <philippeqc> I dont want to be mobbed online by my mom, nor similar action. Better not piss you off.
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10:35 <spidey> lol
11:09 <Lizz> spider?
11:09 <wrtlprnft> spidey�
11:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:12 <Lizz> bbl
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11:36 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:36 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_purple-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:36 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_yellow-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:45 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
11:45 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
12:48 <spidey> #night
12:48 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:03 <madmax|pt> hello
13:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/fourplay-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
13:32 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
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13:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
13:43 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
13:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> which libraries do i need to build a dedicated server?
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14:01 <spidey> :p phili
14:01 <philippeqc> darkstar, when you do configure, check the error messages
14:02 <philippeqc> I'd say SDL family to start
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14:03 <philippeqc> [Xpert]DarkStar: what does configure say?
14:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
14:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it it stopped at xml
14:03 <philippeqc> libxml
14:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but currently also compiling apache
14:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna wait until that one has finished
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14:04 <philippeqc> install libxml, run configure just to see what other dependencies prob you have
14:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna do after apache
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14:04 <philippeqc> configure wont conflict with your compiling
14:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but compiling 2 things at the same time would make it all slow
14:05 <philippeqc> you have lots of time now as you wait for your compilation to actually go and look up all the missing libraries
14:05 <philippeqc> configure IS NOT compiling
14:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guess what...
14:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i KNOW that
14:06 <philippeqc> ;)
14:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but COMPILING libxml IS compiling
14:06 * [Xpert]DarkStar has gentoo
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14:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> arg
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14:06 <philippeqc> o no a pirate
14:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> right...
14:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> compiling libxml now
14:08 <philippeqc> good
14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thank god i won't have to do this all manually ><
14:08 <philippeqc> I couldnt have know that you had a source distro
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14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you could have
14:08 <philippeqc> no
14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if you paid more attention ;)
14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mentioned it many times in the last few weeks i think
14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i keep mentioning it all the time anywaay
14:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -a
14:08 <philippeqc> and how often was I online in the last few weeks?
14:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> err well
14:09 <philippeqc> pop quiz boy: What distro do I use?
14:09 <philippeqc> ;)
14:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> slack
14:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or debian
14:09 <philippeqc> Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
14:09 <philippeqc> that'll be a hand and your left nut
14:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
14:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no way
14:10 <philippeqc> wanna trade your hand for your right nut?
14:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
14:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wanna keep them all
14:10 <philippeqc> ;)
14:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could of course say gentoo...
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14:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i really don't know
14:11 <philippeqc> Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
14:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb guru3
14:12 <guru3> go figure
14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> philippeqc: so what distro are you using?
14:12 <philippeqc> Mandriva
14:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
14:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to run mandrake in the old days when i was still a newb
14:13 <philippeqc> because it just works
14:13 <philippeqc> i used gentoo last year till i realised i was spending more time updating it and fixing it than you know..... using it.
14:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i switched to gentoo mainly because of my amd64
14:14 <philippeqc> amd64 here too
14:14 <philippeqc> the only pain is all that is "browser plugin". and that is not a big loss anyway
14:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> also win32codecs wont work
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but who cares
14:15 <philippeqc> it does for me (i think)
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it depends...
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you'd have to use a 32 bit media player
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or win64codecs :P
14:17 <philippeqc> win32-codecs here
14:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and do they really work?
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i can play many wmv without them
14:18 <philippeqc> I've watched a few files, and not all of them could have been pure mpeg2 files.
14:18 <philippeqc> must have been a few divx and other codec
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mm k
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> whatever
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it apperantly works
14:19 <philippeqc> the way I see it, debating distros is about as usefull as arguing about one's favorite color.
14:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> possible
14:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it's truly useful
14:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to debate about windows vs linux
14:21 <philippeqc> he, something that actually will lead to something
14:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
14:22 <philippeqc> I have one major cyclic dependency problem
14:22 <philippeqc> A -> B -> C -> A
14:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
14:23 <philippeqc> except re-reading over and over the chapter 6.5 of C++ annocations, what are the usual ways to break this up?
14:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bwaaahh... i don't know any other language than bash ><
14:26 <philippeqc> I'm getting relatively annoyed by this new version of zones... I'll be really glad when its over
14:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
14:28 <philippeqc> heh what?
14:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nothing i guess
14:29 * wrtlprnft wonders if z-man will release a book, "the 1001 types of lag"
14:31 * [Xpert]DarkStar is trying to play minesweeper
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15:28 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft
15:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:30:39] * wrtlprnft wonders if z-man will release a book, "the 1001 types of lag"
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15:38 <philippeqc> well, it seems my changes arent important enough for CIA
15:38 <Brooky> lol
15:38 <Brooky> what made you say that?
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15:39 <philippeqc> cia reports our changes to the code, I just sent some, and normally it would say something here in IRC about it.
15:40 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5783 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (15 files in 5 dirs): getting closer to having monitor support effectgroups
15:40 <philippeqc> well well, just when I was too impatient, guess who gets bitten in the ass.
15:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could someone try custom connect to 84.74.41.29?
15:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> port 4534
15:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> because finally i got both a more or less decent connection and a more or less decent server machine
15:44 <philippeqc> Server does not answer
15:45 <philippeqc> open your firewall
15:45 * [Xpert]DarkStar throws his damn router to the wall
15:45 <philippeqc> d-link?
15:45 <philippeqc> have you enabled port forwarding
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16:26 <z-man> wrtlprnft: once I got at least 200 types collected, perhaps :)
17:03 <guru3> DAMNIT
17:03 <guru3> SPAM PROTECTION PENALIZES THE FAST TYPERS
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17:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
17:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> finally i could connect again
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17:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5784 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed another instance of local phasing, this time during extrapolation of your own cycle.
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18:36 <wrtlprnft> i have the feeling some got lost there ;)
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18:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> freenode is evil
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18:49 <z-man> Is anyone of you experiencing weird timeouts lately with clients with the multithreaded network enabled?
18:50 <z-man> I had two today, and since the multithreading is disabled when recording, I don't have one.
18:50 <z-man> Of course, I don't know whether it's related to the multithreading.
18:51 <wrtlprnft> not me
18:54 <philippeqc> z-man, I have a funny situation here.
18:54 <z-man> haha
18:54 <z-man> oh, not that kind of funny?
18:54 <philippeqc> my monitor (this is what used to be the variable for the status of a fortress) is a eGameObject
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18:55 <z-man> do go on
18:55 <philippeqc> The thing is, I store it in a std::map (global object) in the parser so I can associate it from the map (file descripting the arena, from now on carte)
18:56 <philippeqc> as soon as the parser start, I cleared it, and on the second pass, it always crashed.
18:56 <philippeqc> now I realised that being a eGameObject, it is destroyed with all other game object BEFORE the parser start again.
18:57 <z-man> Is it an eNetGameObject, too?
18:57 <philippeqc> I need to be called for the gametics
18:57 <philippeqc> nope, just a eGameObject
18:57 <philippeqc> Would it help?
18:57 <z-man> There is an nObserverPointer smart pointer class that gets automatically set to NULL if the object is deleted
18:58 <z-man> It only works for nNetObjects, though.
18:58 <philippeqc> in the map (and elsewhere) I use a shared_ptr to it for referencing
18:58 <philippeqc> I just forgot about the game core aspect in my design
18:59 <z-man> Unfortunately, shared_ptrs don't work if someone goes around and deletes stuff manually
18:59 <philippeqc> yes, I've observed that ;)
19:01 <luke-jr_> Can we have a paranoid camera? :)
19:01 <philippeqc> I could make a holder (eGameObject) , and pass that to the core, and it would hold only a shared_ptr to the real monitor, and pass the game tics, but that seems overly complex
19:01 <luke-jr_> one that keeps close enemies within view ;)
19:01 <luke-jr_> eg, shift the camera to the left so you can see the enemy to the right
19:01 <z-man> You could try to overload RemoveFromGame(), that's what gets called to delete an object.
19:01 <philippeqc> chaning the core and introducing a new category is even worse
19:02 <philippeqc> o YEAH
19:02 <z-man> luke-jr_: that would be cool, but how often will it pick the wrong target?
19:03 <philippeqc> wait, removeFromGame removes from a lots of list, but the object must destructed after that call
19:03 <z-man> No, it must not be destructed. It just has to be arranged that it gets destructed at some later time.
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19:04 <z-man> RemoveFromGame is the last thing the engine does with an object, after that, it's free to do what it wants.
19:04 <z-man> Of course, it should disappear some time later so there is no memory leak, but if you do that later in gParser, that's fine.
19:04 * philippeqc slaps his forhead..... now that I noticed the big fat second line of REmoveFromGame : "delete this;"
19:04 <luke-jr_> z-man: pick all nearby targets
19:05 <luke-jr_> if you're surrounded, that means overhead viewing
19:05 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: what is "nearby"
19:05 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: a configurable number of units =p
19:05 <z-man> luke-jr_: that would be wrong if the enemy is on the other side of an unpetetrable obstacle
19:05 <luke-jr_> and possibly based on lag-o-meter
19:05 <luke-jr_> z-man: true
19:05 <luke-jr_> maybe
19:05 <luke-jr_> unless the wall ends in a few units
19:06 <philippeqc> is it affected by your speed? the speed of the enemies? Should you see your teammates, they sure have a tendency of jumping on you at the least favorable time.
19:06 <luke-jr_> then I'd want the wall chopped down and such ;)
19:06 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: closer teammates
19:06 <luke-jr_> plenty of options
19:06 * philippeqc goes on to override RemoveFromGame
19:07 <z-man> I would not object to having such a camera, but can't build one in the foreseeable future.
19:08 <philippeqc> I think luke-jr_ is the best qualified to fix it. He seems to have a good plan.
19:08 * wrtlprnft agrees
19:10 <philippeqc> z-man, I "found" a new camera. When you disable all the cameras, and then switch cameras, well, that one. A bit higher than smart cam, with good inertia. But I cant seem to find the "set this camera as the first one" item for it.
19:11 <z-man> philippeqc: that's probably the "server custom" camera.
19:11 <philippeqc> ok, I didnt try that one.
19:11 <philippeqc> pretty sure I did disable server custom though. lemme check
19:11 <wrtlprnft> no
19:11 <wrtlprnft> that's the mercam
19:12 <wrtlprnft> it doesn
19:12 <wrtlprnft> 't have the menu stuff yet
19:13 <wrtlprnft> oh, btw, if you go onto a server that disables the incam, but set the incam as default and disable all other cameras in your settings you still get to use it
19:15 <philippeqc> z-man RemoveFromGame worked!!!! I cant find the exec that I used to play sooner today (way too many version). I'll investigate the mistery camera later.
19:16 * philippeqc read wrtlprnft's comment about the mercam
19:16 <z-man> maybe wrtl is right about the camera
19:17 <wrtlprnft> wow, that i can see that happen ;)
19:17 * z-man reminds wrtlprnft he's the one who touched eCamera.cpp last
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't mean i have any idea about what the code in there does
19:18 <z-man> Nobody does, it's one of the mystery spots :)
19:18 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:18 <wrtlprnft> who wrote it?
19:18 <z-man> Me, mostly
19:18 <wrtlprnft> well
19:19 <z-man> Yeah, well, ok, I know what most of it does.
19:21 <philippeqc> cue in the Twilight Zone music
19:27 * wrtlprnft can't really program in this heat... my brain doesn't work
19:27 <wrtlprnft> the formula parser's gotta wait
19:28 <philippeqc> noooooooooooooo
19:28 * philippeqc invites wrtlprnft to move to sweden
19:29 * wrtlprnft can't talk swedish
19:29 <guru3> nor could i
19:29 <guru3> i still lived here
19:29 <philippeqc> o you wont have time to talk with all the coding you'll be doing here
19:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:29 <wrtlprnft> maybe that's why opera is having such a good browser
19:29 <wrtlprnft> they just don't have that summer heat there
19:36 <Compn> opera is great ;)
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19:38 <wrtlprnft> don't need to tell me ;)
19:45 * z-man has a fan on the ceiling, really huge, blows like a heli on the highest setting :)
19:45 <z-man> I would not want to miss it.
19:46 <wrtlprnft> :w
19:46 <wrtlprnft> oops
19:48 <philippeqc> i hate me
19:49 <wrtlprnft> err
19:49 <wrtlprnft> armabot is still not sending commits, it seems
19:49 <philippeqc> I'm trying to finish up zone v2, and I keep seeing improvements and stuff to add
19:49 <wrtlprnft> just committed something
19:49 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: it takes a few minutes
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it used to be instant
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19:50 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> it's my sister's bf's bad...
19:51 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> he's putting up some lamps
19:51 <philippeqc> hi dark's sister bf' dad!
19:51 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> and produced a short circuit
19:51 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> philippeqc: dude
19:51 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> i'm talking about problems my sister's bf produced...
19:51 <philippeqc> I though you said that it was him on the keyboard, to be nice to him
19:52 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> lol
19:52 <[Xpert]D1rkStar> no
19:52 <philippeqc> well, we met spidey's mom sooner today
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19:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
19:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> when?
19:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what's mercam?
19:53 * luke-jr_ wouldn't know how to make a camera
19:53 <philippeqc> ~10
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aww
19:53 <philippeqc> ~10 am @ GMT +1
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> too bad i haven't been online that time
19:56 <luke-jr_> sh: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: not found
19:56 <luke-jr_> 17:56:53 up 1 day, 13:39, load average: 0.08, 0.01, 0.00
19:56 <luke-jr_> 18:18:54 up 34 days, 6:41, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
19:56 <luke-jr_> 12:57:05 up 5:32, 0 users, load average: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01
19:56 <luke-jr_> 17:56:08 up 22 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
19:56 <luke-jr_> 17:57:20 up 12 days, 14:09, 110 users, load average: 0.00, 0.16, 0.38
19:57 <luke-jr_> 12:57:52 up 1:18, 1 user, load average: 0.81, 0.55, 0.35
19:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i just lost all my uptimes a short bit ago :(
20:01 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: what is the setting to disable dtd validation?
20:01 <luke-jr_> there is none
20:01 <luke-jr_> AFAIK
20:01 <philippeqc> so your telling me that you argued that much, and ended up never coding something as simple as THAT?
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20:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: your commit still hasn't been reported
20:25 <philippeqc> has anyone heard of Joda recently?
20:39 <philippeqc> if you want a taste of the new zones, log to my server "zone v2 test server"
20:42 <philippeqc> it works
20:43 <wrtlprnft> incoming
20:51 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: new zones?
20:51 <philippeqc> yes
20:52 <luke-jr_> ?
20:55 <philippeqc> come and try
21:07 <philippeqc> back
21:09 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: one part of the code is stubbed: the team building part. Joda was supposed to work on that, but I havent heard anything about it.
21:09 <philippeqc> once that is enabled, then the full capacity of this changes will be enabled.
21:10 <philippeqc> before that, my stub only matches fixed strings to players names.
21:10 <philippeqc> hence the "ph"
21:15 <philippeqc> going to sit in front of a movie
21:21 <wrtlprnft> ever tried sitting behind a movie?
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22:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's 98 outside and 81 in here, tht's quite an improvement
22:28 <Compn> philippeqc : what ver arma is required?
22:28 <Compn> i'm waiting for non-round zones, or fortress/sumo zones that move while you try to surround/stay in them :)
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22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g 81 F in C
22:30 <armabot> 81 degrees Fahrenheit = 27.2222222 degrees Celsius
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g 98 F in C
22:30 <armabot> 98 degrees Fahrenheit = 36.6666667 degrees Celsius
22:30 <Vanhayes> #g 21 c in f
22:30 <armabot> 21 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit
22:30 <Vanhayes> pretty shutty day out here
22:30 <Vanhayes> shitty*
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, the last day the temperature went up near to 100, the inside temperature was 84-85
22:31 <Vanhayes> air conditioner?
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, but it runs all the time anyway
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> I put up windowshades in my kid's room, which has mostly windows instead of walls
22:35 <Compn> philippeqc : i keep dying without anything happening
22:35 <Compn> random death
22:35 <Compn> on your server
22:36 <Vanhayes> lol that what the redzone does
22:36 <wrtlprnft> Compn: a random person dies if someone enters the red zone
22:37 <Compn> ah
22:37 <Compn> sort of like fortress bombs?
22:37 <wrtlprnft> just testing
22:38 <wrtlprnft> *for testing purposes
22:38 <Compn> ah
22:38 <Compn> you remember fortress bombs right?
22:38 <Compn> take a zone, kill a person...
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22:42 <Vanhayes> Compn: like in sumo when you conquer someones zone?
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical: did you get my PM on the forums?
22:48 <Lackadaisical> yeah
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> sooooooo..... ? you wanna do it? ;)
22:50 <Lackadaisical> yeah, i guess it would be ok
22:51 <Lackadaisical> i already had a sourceforge user for a reason forgotten: lackadaisical
22:53 <luke-jr_> Lackadaisical: can you fix the current designs that are broken? :)
22:54 <Lackadaisical> yeah i guess i could... but the whole svn thing is still kind of abstract to me
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ara
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: armabot is broken agaib
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: armabot is broken again
22:55 <wrtlprnft> won't post commpits, but they do appear on CIA
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22:57 <joda_bot> #notes
22:57 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, ar*, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, and unknown.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #notes ar
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #notes ar*
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 2 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, and 54 minutes ago: <joda_bot> test and Sent 2 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <joda_bot> #m joda* test
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> what's the name of the cia bot in CIA?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you're added lack, thanks, awesome, etc. :)
23:03 <Lackadaisical> your welcome, i gotta reboot now
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23:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm waiting for Your_mom and edd to give me their sourceforge user accounts, then I'll add them and make a general announcement :)
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the bot changed names :(
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23:05 <Compn> kama is good at gamma
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:10 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5791 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: Removed spurious comment to test armabot
23:10 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdater'
23:12 <armabot> armagetronad: test
23:12 <armabot> armagetronad: hmm, bad idea, anyone can have "CIA" at the beginning of his name :S
23:13 <philippeqc> Compn: still there?
23:14 <philippeqc> compn: i tested it with version what will be version 0.2.8.3, but I guess it should work with anything that support zones.
23:15 <philippeqc> the thing is not that the zones are moving, but rather that each time someone enters the red zone, some random player dies. Instantly.
23:15 <wrtlprnft> moving zones should be possible once we have a formula parser
23:16 <wrtlprnft> and you'll need a newer client, except if the zone only goes in a straight line
23:16 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, I'll love the moving zones ;) I already have a neat idea. Of course it will never make an interesting server, but it will be a neat idea non the less
23:18 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: well, the server might send a great many updates of trajectories, or the formula code of z-man (tFunction) might kick in and always try to predict where it should go (with a k1 + x*k2 equation)
23:20 <philippeqc> #notes ar*
23:20 <armabot> philippeqc: Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <joda_bot> test and Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <joda_bot> #m joda* test
23:20 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: does that means that joda hasnt been on IRC for 2 weeks?
23:20 <nemostultae> he was just here.
23:20 <philippeqc> o yeah
23:20 <nemostultae> #seen joda_bot
23:20 <armabot> nemostultae: joda_bot was last seen in #armagetron 23 minutes and 22 seconds ago: <joda_bot> #notes
23:20 <philippeqc> darn missed him
23:38 <philippeqc> Well, #notes phil
23:38 <philippeqc> #notes phil
23:38 <armabot> philippeqc: Sent 7 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> uh, the fact that you can't put std::auto_ptrs into containers is exactly why i made tAutoDeque ;)
23:38 <philippeqc> #night
23:38 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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23:49 * [Xpert]DarkStar is proud of himself
23:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i edited the armagetron ebuild so it would do 0.3.0 ^^
Log from 2006-07-22:
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00:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:27 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
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00:30 <Vanhayes> brb
00:30 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034183047.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does..."]
00:37 <spidey> anyone know why i minimize tron and x crashes?
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00:49 <madmax|pt> hello
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> H3LL0
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> 1 4M A R0B07
00:50 <spidey> }{3110
00:51 <spidey> m = /\/\ :p
00:51 <spidey> A = 4 ;D
00:51 <madmax|pt> o_O
00:51 <spidey> R = |2 :S
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> spidey = annoying little shit
00:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma = right
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's like graffiti. It's an art form! ;)
00:54 <spidey> lol
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> annoying art form, but still an art form
00:55 <spidey> haha
01:11 <Vanhayes> bbiab
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01:13 <[NP]Tangent> Y0 3Y3 4|\|\ 73|-| 0\|\||\|Z0R
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76181#76181
01:21 <spidey> [NP]Tangent, that made no sense
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just figured out what that picture in iceman's signature is. It's Data on the Enterprise getting a blue-screen
01:22 <[NP]Tangent> yes it did spidey
01:23 <[NP]Tangent> yo, I am t eh ownzor
01:24 <spidey> that would be Y0 3Y3 4/\/\ 7}{3 0\/\//\/Z0|2
01:24 <spidey> duh
01:26 <[NP]Tangent> j00 4r3 t3h |_4|\|\3
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> WIL U IDIOTS CUT TAHT SHIT OUT??!!!!?!? OMG WTF LOL ITS ANOYNG AS FUK!!!11!! OMG WTF
01:34 * Lucifer_arma thinks he's funny
01:36 <[NP]Tangent> O RLY?
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5203802.stm <--- no deaths in Texas? This happens to us every year
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> we're still preparing for August. ;)
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5203812.stm <--- Europe is suffering with the heat, too.
01:42 <[NP]Tangent> :(
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna go run my truck out of gas so I can do my part as a Good American to ignore the heat
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> It's 82 in here and I feel cold, heh
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 82 F in C
01:44 <armabot> 82 degrees Fahrenheit = 27.7777778 degrees Celsius
01:50 <spidey> haha
01:50 <spidey> my grandma's popping a piss test on me
01:50 <spidey> my uncle told me ;x
01:56 <madmax|pt> lol
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02:49 <spidey> luke-jr_,
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03:13 <anjori> ugh. bloody connection went down for 3 hours
03:21 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5792 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.icns: Updated icon to look better at smaller sizes.
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03:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: ?
03:23 * deja_vu still misses .deb-packages :>
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04:06 <spidey> Vent your frustration with programs by blowing holes in them
04:06 <spidey> Blast lets you vent your frustration with programs by blowing holes in
04:06 <spidey> them. With this program you can blast holes into any window in X. Holes become
04:06 <spidey> permanent unless you repair them before you quit. You may move permanently
04:06 <spidey> "damaged" windows and enjoy the view behind the holes.
04:06 <spidey> hahaha
04:06 <spidey> i'ma apt-get that
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter just became my slave
05:01 <spidey> haha
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> she made the mistake of whining about "all the work I do around here" when she'd been in her room for 10 hours "organizing" it
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> it was a 10 minute job!
05:02 <spidey> LOL
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> when she's done with the dishes, I'm going to tell her "You're going to find out what Cinderella's life was like before the ball. I'm not your father anymore, I'm your wicked father now"
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> and, as someone said on the forums, I am a bit of a perfectionist
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> she's so screwed
05:03 <spidey> hahahah
05:03 * spidey is glad he's not lucifers son
05:03 <spidey> O.o
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you failed the piss test I'd cut your balls off
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> with my swiss army knife, no less
05:06 <spidey> i won't fail it
05:06 <spidey> thanks to my uncle
05:06 <spidey> :D
05:07 <spidey> i can have my system flushed out in 3 days
05:08 <spidey> although everyone in my family knows i smoke pot
05:08 <spidey> half of them smoke with me
05:08 <spidey> so i don't see what the point is
05:11 <Vanhayes> um 3 days for your system to be flushed? how?
05:12 <spidey> i drink a 24 pack of water (16oz a bottle) in 2 days
05:12 <Vanhayes> my freind tried that and he still failed it
05:12 <Vanhayes> he was trying to get in the army
05:12 <spidey> did he happen to piss every 1-2hours?
05:12 <spidey> because i do :/
05:13 <spidey> besides
05:13 <spidey> i use sure jell
05:13 <Vanhayes> he drank at least 2 and a half litres of water for 4 days
05:14 <spidey> #g 500ml in l
05:14 <Vanhayes> pretty sure its a myth
05:14 <armabot> 500 ml = 0.5 l
05:14 <spidey> #g 500ml in liters
05:14 <armabot> 500 ml = 0.5 liters
05:14 <spidey> well
05:14 <spidey> 16 oz = half a liter
05:14 <spidey> 16.9 anyways
05:14 <spidey> so i drink more than that :)
05:15 <Vanhayes> #g 24*16oz in litres
05:15 <armabot> 24 * 16 US fluid ounces = 11.3562354 litres
05:15 <spidey> ...
05:15 <spidey> #16.9oz in l
05:15 <spidey> #g16.9oz in l
05:15 <spidey> #g 16.9oz in liters
05:15 <armabot> 16.9 US fluid ounces = 0.499792652 liters
05:15 <Vanhayes> #g 16 oz in ltr
05:15 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:16 <spidey> mm
05:16 <spidey> 16.9oz in pints
05:16 <spidey> #g 16.9oz in pints
05:16 <armabot> 16.9 US fluid ounces = 1.05625 US pints
05:16 <spidey> ok
05:16 <Vanhayes> Im pretty sure it takes a month for it to get out of your piss system
05:17 <Vanhayes> 3 for blood test
05:17 <spidey> heh not hardly
05:17 <spidey> i pasted my second test after 1 week
05:17 <spidey> i failed my first because it was random :/
05:18 <Vanhayes> well how much weed do you smoke and how regularly?
05:18 <spidey> before i moved here
05:18 <spidey> 1/4 oz a day
05:19 <Vanhayes> must have different tests or something here
05:19 <spidey> mmm
05:19 <spidey> i doubt it
05:26 <Vanhayes> For this reason, when you ask "How long does marijuana stay in your system?" you have to realize that it's very unlikely that you'll be able to get a usable answer. The most common period of time is anywhere from 3-30 days, depending on your metabolism and the amount of marijuana that you've smoked. This is unfortunate, since it means that while most drug tests can only turn up evidence of other drugs if you've
05:26 <Vanhayes> been taking the drug within a few days of the drug test, marijuana could still be detected in a urine test up to a month after the last time it is used.
05:27 <Vanhayes> so bbasically If your fat and a chronic your in trouble
05:28 <mkzelda> i passed a test w/ 2 days
05:28 <mkzelda> i get tested regularly
05:28 <Vanhayes> http://www.passadrugtestingforall.com/long-does-marijuana-stay-your-system-a-4.html theres the link btw
05:29 <Vanhayes> I never got tested cause I never really cared who knew
05:29 <mkzelda> i have a high metabolism
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05:32 <Vanhayes> Hair tests are even worse, since your body stores THC in the hair follicles. For this reason, the previous answers to "How long does marijuana stay in your system?" are only useful if you're going to be forced to take a urine test. For the hair test, depending on the amount of hair that the company takes, it's possible that marijuana could be detected up to three years after the last time that you smoke.
05:33 <Vanhayes> Damn that would really suck
05:34 * anjori shaves his head
05:36 <anjori> i'm downloading an ISO at 35K/s :(
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure there's pot in my hair
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> no wait, nevermind
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> I cut it after the last time I smoked it
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, but it's so long anybody doing a hair test is going to expect to find something :)
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I told my daughter to take a bath, she's got 10 minutes. THen, whatever she hasn't cleaned, I'm going to clean.
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> I went in to take a piss and she was scrubbing the shit out of hair
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> *her hair
05:57 <GodTodd> why'd she have shit in her hair? ;)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:57 <anjori> heh
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> she made the mistake of whining to me about how much work she's been doing around the house
05:58 <anjori> that was the obvious joke, why didnt i think about it?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> in a few minutes, she's going to find out how screwed she is
05:58 <GodTodd> ahhh da kiss o' death :D
05:58 <GodTodd> i'm still ramping tommy up to "doing everything" as he'll put it :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> she's going to get a crash course in slavery
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> where's my whip?
05:59 <GodTodd> cat o' nine?
05:59 <GodTodd> ;)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> at least, when I'm done, she'll have all the basic cleaning skills she needs, she'll have learned what I consider "good enough" (I doubt she'll learn perfection yet),
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> and with any luck she'll have some appreciation for how much the rest of us do around here
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> but from this day forward, she works. I'm going to work the living piss out of her for the next week or so, but when I back off from that, there ain't gonna be any more 10 hours to clean your room
06:00 <GodTodd> that's the ultimate goal...if they think they do too much you show them what too much really is
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> she's a good girl, though, and I'm confident she'll learn how to be satisfied with her work
06:01 <GodTodd> tommy has learned that if he wants to keep his toys they better be picked up by 8 every night
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I had my kids well trained for awhile, what the fuck happened?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't get it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> must have fallen down on the job or something, they were picking their rooms up every night while I cooked dinner
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> organizing and sorting once a week
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> the hall, living room, and dining room every other day
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> and they'd take turns cleaning off the table every night before dinner--without complaint!
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> and they'd do all this stuff in about 20-30 minutes!
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> come on, it's not like it takes 10 hours to do this stuff
06:04 <GodTodd> how old is she again?
06:04 <GodTodd> 10? 11?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I just gave her the bad news. "You're not my personal slave. You're going to learn what Cinderella's life was like before the ball. I'm your wicked father"
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, she's 7
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> she'll be 8 in December
06:04 <GodTodd> ahhh i thought she was older for some reason
06:04 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> *now my personal slave
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> that typo kinda changes the meaning of the sentence, haha
06:05 <GodTodd> yep :)
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> she's reading a book before bed. I told her "You've got 5 minutes, then put it away and go to sleep. That sounds a lot like fun."
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> I swore I wouldn't make my kids servants, though, so I've got to make sure she's doing real housework, not serving me.
06:06 <GodTodd> yeah...just don't make her bring you your beers ;)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe her brothers will learn from her lesson :)
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I bitch at my wife when she sends them in for cigarettes
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> I had intended that by the time she was 10 she'd have all the basic cleaning skills, some of the more advanced ones, and we'd have a regular chore rotation going
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> so that at 10, I could really focus on teaching her how to cook. My older son would be on a slightly different schedule, starting the same stuff about a year earlier than her,
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> but still 6 months later than her
06:09 <GodTodd> tommy loves hot lunch, so it's great motivation that if he doesn't do his chore rotation, he gets sack lunch
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> because of the age difference. They're too close for me to let him get by without doing anything, but he's enough younger that I can't expect him to be able to do everything she can
06:09 <GodTodd> yeah...i have the 8 year span to deal with on that
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, apparently we should be establishing a chore rotation now. No more freeloading!
06:09 <GodTodd> the rotation works great
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> but first I need to give her an object lesson in how to keep a house clean and in good condition
06:09 <GodTodd> we have it posted on the fridge even
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> isn't tommy about 8?
06:10 <GodTodd> yep turned 8 last month
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I had it in my head he's about the same age as my daughter
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> second grade in the fall?
06:10 <GodTodd> third
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so a year ahead in school years but chronologically only 6 months older
06:10 <GodTodd> he started school at 5 yrs 2 months
06:10 <GodTodd> right
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand, my older son is a year and half younger chronologically, but a year behind in school years (relation to my daughter)
06:11 <GodTodd> born in the summer?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> yep, we just celebrated his 6 birthday
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> next month the younger son turns 3 :)
06:12 <GodTodd> wow...
06:12 <GodTodd> conor turns 5 months on monday
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha, she's reading while she walks over to put the book away
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> she is *so* my daughter :)
06:12 <GodTodd> lol
06:12 <GodTodd> sounds like the way i was too
06:12 <GodTodd> :D
06:13 <GodTodd> tommy wants to play guitar and piano....need to find a place that does good lessons
06:13 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> I better get to bed early so I can start up boot camp in the morning, haha
06:13 <GodTodd> heh
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> not this early, of course. The sun only went down a couple of hours ago
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I really need to get the allen wrenches I need to straighten out my daughter's guitar
06:14 <GodTodd> oh....i got me a cheap guitar set....nothing fancy but should work for learning :D
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> and I really need to put $150 together to get my older son a guitar. He really wants one, and I feel kinda guilty saying we don't have the money for one when I've got a guitar and bass sitting in the living room
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> I let him play mine, though. :)
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> so what kind of guitar did you wind up getting?
06:15 <GodTodd> heh...just one of those cheap throw-away first act thingies
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> fender? gibson? washburn?
06:16 <GodTodd> i figure if i stick with it and get decent i'll get a real guitar
06:16 <GodTodd> nah no name brand....first act...like the type you get at walmart
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm a bit of a guitar snob, but I wouldn't buy one of those. :)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter has a Fender ;)
06:17 <GodTodd> well....you know how to play too :P
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I think I do :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna try to get this icecast broadcaster built again, I've got a cool bass line I want someone to hear
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> drums, too
06:18 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:20 <GodTodd> of course....i know a _little_ guitar....i used to have an acoustic.....that got left behind in arizona in 97 tho :/
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want this bass line to be the main theme for armagetron :)
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you know, I carried that old acoustic around for a long time
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> you remember that little one I used to have?
06:22 <GodTodd> yeah
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> wound up carving my name in the side and giving it to someone. Told him to learn how to play it, then when he finds someone who wants to learn,
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> carve his name in it and give it to the guy
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> it would be interesting to see that guitar in 50 years
06:23 <GodTodd> sure would
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06:26 <Lucifer_arma> fine, since the gentoo package won't build I downloaded it from xiph
06:28 <anjori> lucifer, did you ever get my namelist?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so
06:29 <anjori> http://anjori.com/random/anjori.txt
06:29 <anjori> spidey: name list updated.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, update if you haven't, I had to change the spelling of Lucifer in mine
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know, but Lucifer is a protected name on z-man's server
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
06:30 <anjori> to lucifur? yeah, i was here when it was mentioned. updated it manually
06:31 <anjori> i hear nothing!
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, having trouble with aumix
06:33 <anjori> i have yet to find easy/feature-rich streaming software for nix. when i was on win, my roomate and i ran this small online radio station. the software was awesome. did automatic crossfading, would make sure songs weren't played within x amount of time of each other, could switch over to a predefined list at a certain time
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, ices2 supports scripts generating playlists
06:34 <anjori> i've heard of icecast, but i want something that does more than just make the feed available
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> check out some of the broadcasters available for icecast anyway
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's all the *server* does
06:34 <anjori> when we first started, we were using shoutcast with a winamp playlist. that quickly became less than ideal
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> but you need another program called a broadcaster that generates the stream for the server
06:35 <anjori> right. i dont mean to confuse server and DJing software.
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> the features you want are in the broadcaster :)
06:35 <anjori> fine. i've found plenty of things as servers. nothing that incorporates mixing and scheduling on top of them, though.
06:37 <anjori> thing is, i want to do it lazyily. other than special blocks, for "general play" i want the software to decide what gets played itself, and not have to generate a list first.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, emerging shit again :(
06:39 <anjori> hear it now
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm having to get another mixer installed so I can play the drums for you too :)
06:43 <anjori> brb. smoke break
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> did you connect to my stream yet?
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06:49 <GodTodd> working on it
06:49 <Stewie-arma> on what?
06:49 <GodTodd> hmmm...i don't hear it
06:50 <anjori> because he's not playing right now :P
06:50 <GodTodd> ahhh...that would explain it haha
06:50 <Stewie-arma> who isn't?
06:51 <anjori> you
06:51 <Stewie-arma> oh I know
06:51 <anjori> heh
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06:52 <Stewie-arma> he can't here what?
06:52 <anjori> what's the proper way to check against an md5sum file, other than running it on the file and then checking the result against the md5 file manually?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> trying to get the damn thing to stream from a different source
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> see, if I only stream from the microphone, you don't hear the drums
06:52 <anjori> i tried md5sum -c file.md5sum file.iso but that didnt seem to work
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: that is the proper way to check an md5sum
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's an iso? I usually let k3b tell me the checksum and check it by hand
06:53 <anjori> err, i didnt explain that right in the first place
06:53 <anjori> yeah, i know how to do md5sum file.iso and then check that against it manually, but i thought i could just have it check against the file itself
06:53 <anjori> not a biggie, anyway
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> I just want a mixer that'll let me set Master as the capture source!
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06:57 <anjori> i haven't quite figured out how to do that with kmix, either
06:57 <anjori> pain in the ass
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you can't with kmix, there's no figuring it out :)
06:58 <anjori> well, that's lame
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hear the drums now?
06:58 <anjori> hmm, it got stopped for some reason
06:58 <anjori> but yeah, i do now
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> now?
06:59 <anjori> and stopped
06:59 <anjori> now
06:59 <anjori> i do
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> bass?
06:59 <anjori> yep
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I forgot it already
07:02 <anjori> :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah well, I got it
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> some screwing around, bass is hard to solo with thouh, heh
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> shutting down the stream
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, did you hear the bass line I was trying? It was easy to tell, it would be the thing I kept repeating
07:06 <GodTodd> yep
07:06 <anjori> yep. i was grooving to it :)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> that would be verse and prechorus, no chorus yet :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> I figure whatever the b-section sounds like is what the game shoudl startup with
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll take the basic stuff out of it and have it reappear in other in-game songs :) (a main theme has to show up a lot, don't it?)
07:10 <anjori> is that what you guys are planning on adding--in-game music?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I'm planning on adding, anyway
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> sound engine needs a lot of work first, but I'm trying to get an idea what music I'll work on when the time comes
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo doesn't have a tuner?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine, I'll use my guitar tuner, but I don't trust it on my bass!
07:35 <GodTodd> my tuner does both
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I think I actually emerged ecasound on my server. Oops
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> emerging now...
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, my guitar tuner is part of the effects processor
07:38 <GodTodd> ahhhh
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> so it's tuned for guitar frequencies (no pun intended)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> to get it to even hear the bass I have to tune on the 12-fret harmonic
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> even then it won't hear the low E-string, I have to tune that off the A string
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm gonna make some tea and piss while ecasound builds
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe ina few minutes I'll jam my guitar to that bass line :)
07:39 <GodTodd> cool :)
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07:43 <Lucifer_arma> still building ecasound. That's kind of a large program
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07:49 <spidey> i wish synaptic would tell you if you need a mysql database before installing something
07:49 <spidey> :/
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/60*8
07:50 <armabot> (120 / 60) * 8 = 16
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
07:51 <spidey> ?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> 120bpm/60 seconds should give me beats per second, right? because I'm dividing out minutes?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60
07:51 <armabot> ((120 / 1) * 1) / 60 = 2
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right, it's just an even number
07:51 <spidey> um
07:52 <spidey> 120beats a minute
07:52 <spidey> it'd be times 60 wouldn't it?
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60 * 24
07:52 <armabot> (((120 / 1) * 1) / 60) * 24 = 48
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> #g 120/1 * 1/60 * 24 * 4
07:52 <armabot> (((120 / 1) * 1) / 60) * 24 * 4 = 192
07:52 <GodTodd> nah....120 bpm == 2 bps cuz 60 bpm == 1 bps
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07:58 <spidey_> er
07:58 <spidey_> i don't get it
07:58 <spidey_> :/
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07:59 <spidey_> ok lets try this a different way O.o
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08:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ <--- having trouble getting it to loop, though
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08:06 <spidey_> it worked that time O.o
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 24 measures
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 4 beats per measure
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> 120bpm
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4
08:10 <armabot> 24 * 4 = 96
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4 * 120/60
08:10 <armabot> (24 * 4 * 120) / 60 = 192
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> right, but 192 doesn't loop smoothly
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*4 * 120/60
08:10 <armabot> (2 * 4 * 120) / 60 = 16
08:12 <Your_mom_arma> trying to build from svn, checked out https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8 now how do i compile?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System <--- did you read this yet?
08:15 * Your_mom_arma starts reading
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2*4 * 1/2
08:16 <armabot> (2 * 4 * 1) / 2 = 4
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*4 * 1/2
08:16 <armabot> (24 * 4 * 1) / 2 = 48
08:16 <spidey_> what are you trying to do?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> yay, it loops
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
08:22 <GodTodd> hrmm...it's not connecting
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> not connecting to the stream?
08:22 <GodTodd> nope
08:22 <GodTodd> it keeps trying tho
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmmm
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> refresh the page and try to connect to what
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> s there now
08:23 <GodTodd> ok...it's counting time now
08:23 <GodTodd> yep
08:23 <GodTodd> good to go now :D
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahahaha
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> fingers are tired
08:38 <GodTodd> :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> can't figure out a rhythm guitar part I like, though
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5793 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (Makefile.am src/Makefile.am):
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed version generation under "make distcheck" and of course in a real
08:38 <armabot> armagetronad: release.
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: how goes the build?
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08:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ph* [seen joda_bot]
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ph* yeah, I thought about the tFormula thing, I guess we'll have to do that
08:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:58 <wrtlprnft> #notes ph*
08:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> joda_bot was last seen in #armagetron 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <joda_bot> #notes and Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> yeah, I thought about the tFormula thing, I guess we'll have to do that
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5205150.stm <--- looks like an invasion to me
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5794 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5784 to 5793:
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: r5793 | z-man | 2006-07-22 08:39:09 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 3 lines
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed version generation under "make distcheck" and of course in a real
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: release.
09:04 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
09:10 <Your_mom_arma> i gave up for now, going to get to it later
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14:18 <armabot> spidey: pwnt
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14:21 <god> wtf
14:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:22 <god> #herald add #armagetron god wrtlprnft deja_vu__ deja_vu_ deja_vu
14:22 <armabot> god: Error: I can't find god in my user database. If you didn't give a user name, then I might not know what your user is, and you'll need to identify before this command might work.
14:22 <god> O.o
14:22 <deja_vu__> ..
14:22 <wrtlprnft> god == spidey :D
14:22 <deja_vu__> good for you
14:22 -!- deja_vu__ is now known as deja_vu
14:23 <wrtlprnft> 14:22 -!- god [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com]
14:23 <god> brb
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14:23 -!- spidey is now known as god
14:23 <god> here we go
14:23 <god> er
14:23 -!- god is now known as spidey
14:25 <spidey> #herald add #armagetron spidey deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft
14:25 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
14:25 <spidey> ;D
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14:25 <deja_vu> >:(
14:25 <spidey> :(
14:25 <spidey> hmm
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14:25 <armabot> deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft
14:26 * deja_vu glues spidey to a traffic light
14:26 <spidey> ;F
14:26 <spidey> ;D
14:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #unload Herald please
15:28 <guru3> "i bet you can't dodge this"
15:28 <guru3> "chink- grenade"
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15:49 <madmax|pt> hi
15:49 <philippeqc> hi
15:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft, so it's ok for you to have one that highlights my name everytime you join,but it's not for me to have one that highlights yourname?
15:52 <spidey> fuck that
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16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: mine doesn't do anything
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16:08 <spidey> of course not if you remove it
16:12 <wrtlprnft> remove what?
16:13 <spidey> ...
16:14 <spidey> i thought i had bad memory
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16:37 <madmax|pt> hi lack
16:37 <Lackadaisical> hey max
16:38 <Lackadaisical> are you gonna play tonight?
16:39 <madmax|pt> i probably can't
16:40 <Lackadaisical> oh ok
16:40 <madmax|pt> i don't know for sure though
16:42 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5800 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ (eGameObject.cpp eGameObject.h): Added storing place for extra lag caused by lazy simulation.
16:43 <madmax|pt> i'll say something if i can, seems like there's only 3 for now ><
16:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5801 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added DEDICATED_FPS_IDLE_FACTOR, controlling the maximum length of pauses the game code makes when waiting for network data.
16:45 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5802 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): Added "Stop simulation, we don't have enough information to proceed!" exception.
16:45 <spidey> play tonight? O.o
16:45 <Lackadaisical> yeah.. i guess we can find more people
16:45 <Lackadaisical> like... spidey!
16:45 <spidey> like....what!?!
16:46 <Lackadaisical> sp wants to play a match against aw tonight
16:46 <spidey> hell yea!
16:46 <spidey> can i can i can i ;D
16:47 <madmax|pt> wasnt AW supposed to be a non-clan thing?
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5803 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h):
16:47 <spidey> ?
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Factored position prediction code into own function, it's now called from gCycle::Timestep, no longer TimestepCore(), where it will always be called so the wall prediction is always active.
16:47 <armabot> armagetronad: When a prediction wall is hit, the new simulation stopping exception type is thrown.
16:47 <madmax|pt> are u still in mbc?
16:47 <spidey> kinda
16:47 <Lackadaisical> wasn't psyko in aw and sp at the same time?
16:47 <spidey> lol
16:48 <madmax|pt> heh, didnt he "leave" after the ... arising of sp?
16:48 <Lackadaisical> i know aw isn't a clan, but i don't know if they are against clans
16:49 <Lackadaisical> the wiki says 'everyone is welcome'
16:50 <madmax|pt> true, but i always thought the main idea was it to be a group of non-clan players
16:50 <spidey> what's a clan?
16:50 <spidey> a group of people? ;)
16:50 <madmax|pt> lol
16:50 <madmax|pt> let me note i don't mind spidey playing
16:51 * spidey notes he won't play as spidey if he does get to play
16:52 <spidey> AND......
16:52 <spidey> i'ma make a hamburger,brb
16:58 <spidey> fuck
16:58 <spidey> i just realized it's 9am!
16:58 <spidey> i thought it was 9pm :/
16:58 <spidey> #time
16:58 <armabot> spidey: 09:58 AM, July 22, 2006
16:58 <madmax|pt> thats not good
16:58 <spidey> well
16:58 <spidey> 10am
16:58 <spidey> ya that means i gained awhole nother day
16:59 <Lackadaisical> how?
16:59 <spidey> O.o
16:59 <spidey> how?
16:59 <spidey> i have blankets covering my windows ;D
16:59 <spidey> and my pc clock is 12 hours off
16:59 <spidey> heh
16:59 <Lackadaisical> haha jeez
16:59 <Lackadaisical> why do you have blankets covering the windows?
17:00 <spidey> help keep the heat out
17:00 <spidey> no sun = less heat
17:00 <spidey> and it's a hot mofo
17:13 <spidey> mmm
17:14 <spidey> let me be the first to note
17:15 <spidey> touching a 350 degree surface fucking hurts
17:15 <spidey> ggkthnxbbq
17:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5804 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (engine/eSensor.cpp tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): More precise collision detection: sensors take the speed of their owner into account and test whether obstacles will be solid by the time the owner could reach them, not whether they are solid now.
18:00 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
18:06 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/endofworld/ when do you think the end of the world will be? ;x
18:08 <Lackadaisical> (2012!)
18:09 <spidey> O.o
18:10 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
18:28 <philippeqc> spidey, there are no values for now to (first date mentionned)
18:45 <wrtlprnft> for some reason my opera is eating 100% CPU :S
18:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5805 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (engine/eSensor.cpp engine/eSensor.h tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Refined sensor speed, it is now only active on request, and the rubber sensor requests it.
18:58 <wrtlprnft> does that last commit mean that the time_to_impact data thingies will respect lag?
19:02 <z-man> time_to_impact?
19:02 <z-man> Was that in gAIBase?
19:03 <z-man> The main thing it means is that the rubber code has gotten that extra bit frame time independant
19:04 <z-man> previously, it counted whether a wall was in front of the cycle right now
19:04 <z-man> and now, it counts whether the cycle will actually hit that wall if it goes on
19:04 <wrtlprnft> time_to_impact_* as cockpit data sources
19:04 <z-man> which makes the sampling differences between frames smaller.
19:05 <wrtlprnft> returns the time it'll take the cycle to reach the next wall
19:05 <wrtlprnft> will that be affected (ie predicted?)
19:05 <z-man> no, that's not affected.
19:05 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
19:05 <wrtlprnft> because it uses sensors
19:05 <z-man> Shouldn't it work right already?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> well
19:05 <wrtlprnft> it currently gives you the time to the next wall that's in existance
19:06 <wrtlprnft> so if someone drives in front of you the time_to_impact will jump
19:06 <z-man> Ah. No, walls are not predicted on the client.
19:06 <z-man> Currently, the predicted walls would also be displayed, and we can't have that :)
19:06 <wrtlprnft> ok, it just sounds so nice and fancy
19:07 <z-man> Maybe we'll get it some time.
19:07 <wrtlprnft> I'd prefer getting different prediction settings
19:07 <wrtlprnft> (lag prediction)
19:07 <wrtlprnft> one for display and one for the engine
19:08 <z-man> Yeah
19:09 <z-man> so you get your acceleration when you're grinding predicted correctly no matter whether the other cycle itself is displayed predicted or not.
19:09 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:10 <wrtlprnft> let me check, I'd like to change the camera to look at the "known" position no matter if the cycle is predicted or not
19:10 <wrtlprnft> ie the same as the centre of the lagometer
19:10 <wrtlprnft> so the camera doesn't jump like crazy if you watch somebody else
19:10 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma configure.ac is making trouble :( I get autoheader-2.59: warning: missing template: HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND | autoheader-2.59: Use AC_DEFINE([HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND], [], [Description])
19:10 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
19:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: that would be difficult right now
19:11 <wrtlprnft> why?
19:11 <wrtlprnft> the lagometer knows the right location
19:11 <z-man> because both cycles, the non-predicted and the predicted, would need to get simulated
19:12 <wrtlprnft> are you talking about the display or camera thing?
19:12 <z-man> The really last known good position is only transmitted once a second or so
19:12 <z-man> the camera
19:12 <wrtlprnft> but where
19:12 <wrtlprnft> 's the lagometer then?
19:12 <z-man> that's only estimated
19:13 <wrtlprnft> oh, so it'll still jump at turns?
19:13 <z-man> that's why it doesn't change shape when you play with multiple axes
19:13 <wrtlprnft> right, nvm, now i understand
19:13 <wrtlprnft> right after you turn the lagometer has its centre on some point away from any wall
19:13 <z-man> It would be possilbe, invisible cycles aren't that much of a problem, but quite messy
19:14 <z-man> It has?
19:14 <z-man> ah, with prediction enabled.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> so the camera would still jump
19:16 <z-man> yes
19:16 <z-man> but maybe not as much
19:16 <z-man> perhaps it is worth a try?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> which one now?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> the camera or the display one?
19:19 <z-man> The camera
19:20 <z-man> That even if you have prediction enabled, the camera's center is taken to be the best known estimate for the cylce's non-jumping position
19:20 <z-man> the current position minus direction times speed times lag.
19:20 <wrtlprnft> ie the point where it would be if prediction was disabled
19:20 <z-man> right
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that already exists, it doesn't take turns into account tho
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that's what's used to draw the lagometer (which will have its tip at the position of the cycle)
19:25 <z-man> It exists? I know nothing of it :)
19:25 <wrtlprnft> doesn't as a function
19:25 <wrtlprnft> but the lagometer has to use it to work
19:26 <z-man> ah, ok
19:27 * z-man is off to cook dinner
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5806 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5793 to 5805:
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: r5805 | z-man | 2006-07-22 18:55:27 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 1 line
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Refined sensor speed, it is now only active on request, and the rubber sensor requests it.
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: r5804 | z-man | 2006-07-22 17:29:37 +0200 (Sat, 22 Jul 2006) | 1 line
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19:44 <spidey> luke-jr_: ping
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20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong
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20:41 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: http://beta.armagetronad.net/ doesn't work for me
20:43 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: thanks for letting me know-- what problem is it having?
20:44 <Vanhayes> it just won't load, and shows this error
20:44 <Vanhayes> You tried to access the address http://beta.armagetronad.net/, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Check that the setup of any Internet security software is correct and does not interfere with ordinary Web browsing.
20:44 <Vanhayes> If you are behind a firewall on a Local Area Network and think this may be causing problems, talk to your systems administrator.
20:44 <Vanhayes> Try pressing the F12 key on your keyboard and disabling proxy servers, unless you know that you are required to use a proxy to connect to the Internet. Reload the page.
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21:15 <foofoofoo> anyone field a silly noob question?
21:15 <philippeqc> what do you have in mind foofoofoo
21:16 <foofoofoo> I can't figure out what the white triangle line around a lightcycle represents.
21:16 <philippeqc> the zone of incertitude
21:16 <foofoofoo> Ah, having to do with ping latency?
21:16 <philippeqc> yes
21:17 <foofoofoo> Thanks. That helps. I guess asking how one uses that to advantage is a strategy question...
21:17 <foofoofoo> One more - any way to tell if a player is an AI or a real player?
21:18 <philippeqc> humm, Im no great strategist, but keeping out of it helps you staying alive in case of discordance between what you see and what the server consider the thruth
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5807 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Fixed configure.ac, HAVE_SDL_FOR_SOUND was screwed up
21:19 <philippeqc> no, not to my knowledge. The AI names are program names. Depending on your background, Excell, Word and Notepad might be obvious if you know the Windows world, and gcc, gdb and emacs if you know the Unix world
21:19 <philippeqc> but of course, an admin can rename them for her server.
21:19 <Lackadaisical> AIs have 0 ping
21:20 <philippeqc> when you press the TAB key, you see the score sheet, which include the ping value for each players
21:20 <foofoofoo> Fair enough. I was playing against the father in law, and all of a sudden he got *really good*, like a bot. I was wondering if the program took over for him (outside of the yellow thing over the player when typing; I figure that out).
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21:21 <philippeqc> beside the chat bot (driving when you type) there is no hook in the game to plugin a bot. But the source code being available, it is not to be excluded, if your father in law is able to code.
21:22 <foofoofoo> Doubt it.
21:22 <foofoofoo> Thanks for the info. I like this game.
21:22 <philippeqc> then he is good
21:22 <philippeqc> from all the team, thanks
21:23 <foofoofoo> Is there a concise gameplay web page that I have missed, that would explain the zone of incertitude and other less obvious points?
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21:23 <philippeqc> humm, not really.
21:23 <foofoofoo> Ok then, thankfully there is IRC :)
21:23 <philippeqc> the wiki (wiki.armagetronad.net) could sure use someone like you, to note down all the problems and question a new player encounter
21:24 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes: did you already tell SP that we aren't going to play? I asked earlier today if rain would play and he said he would and he would bring haylin too
21:24 <philippeqc> and the forum (forums.armagetronad.net) is good for questions
21:24 <Vanhayes> er ya I did
21:24 <Vanhayes> I cant play at all something is messed up with my connection or something
21:25 <Vanhayes> and I only saw me you and 2020 on the list
21:25 <foofoofoo> philippeqc: if I find I am devoting a lot of time to the game, that is a resonable thing for me to go do. I'm a programmer so you might guess I'm not the worlds best documenter...
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21:25 <Lackadaisical> ah ok, oh well too bad
21:26 <philippeqc> who is! but if you are structured, and a new player, noting down all the question you have and the answer will be much better than what we have ;)
21:26 <Vanhayes> If sp's site had been up at all this week we might have gotten things set up but it just came back up again today
21:27 <philippeqc> and by starting to ask about everything, people will start to give you extra bits of information, and you will learn the game much faster
21:27 <philippeqc> ;)
21:28 <foofoofoo> I've been mainly playing with my son, 4... it is really helping his typing.
21:28 <Lackadaisical> I still don't seem to be able to visit their site.. what url are you using?
21:29 <philippeqc> I've tried to get my 7 year old neighborg interested... but to no success yet
21:29 <foofoofoo> wow, really? the kids around here are all over it. my 4 year old and a coworkers 6 year old; we all got a network game going...
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21:30 <philippeqc> I havent given up yet
21:30 <groundpig> hi
21:30 <Commn> groundpig : can we get points for killing zombies? :p
21:30 <groundpig> it would seem unfair, as you've already gotten a point for killing them the first time
21:31 <foofoofoo> thanks for the new user info; gotta run
21:31 <philippeqc> but if you kill a teammates' zombie then ;)
21:31 <philippeqc> ok cya foofoofoo
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21:31 <philippeqc> groundpig: dont change anything, its good as it is
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's the other white meat! Hi groundpig !
21:32 <groundpig> hi lucifer, haven't seen you in a while
21:32 <luke-jr_> groundpig: spidey wanted your config
21:32 <philippeqc> he's a transgenic groundpig !
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> havent' played much the last week or so
21:32 <groundpig> maybe i'll start another thread in the mod section, the new patch i have is much improved over the old version there
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> if god didn't want us to eat pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat
21:33 <groundpig> hehe
21:33 <philippeqc> so true.... so true....
21:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: work now?
21:33 <Commn> groundpig : what about suicide/death zones to kill enemy zombies too?
21:34 <luke-jr_> If God wanted us to eat pigs, they wouldn't taste horrible
21:34 <luke-jr_> I propose that we should eat pings instead
21:34 <philippeqc> so god WANTs us to eat pig then as they taste so delicious
21:34 <philippeqc> so does horse meat
21:34 <groundpig> large pings are unhealthy, whereas large pigs are delicious
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a marinade that'll make luke-jr_ taste like ambrosia
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> so is the heat wave still going for the rest of you guys?
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> those guys are smoking crack!
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> look at this:
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/local/78717?from=hp_promolocator1&lswe=78717&lwsa=Weather36HourInterstateCommand
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> but my thermometer says it's 82 F
21:40 <philippeqc> groundpig: wait, I forgot how to log
21:40 <philippeqc> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
21:40 <philippeqc> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
21:41 <groundpig> hmm, pig says what?
21:41 <philippeqc> ok got it
21:44 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ya it works now
21:44 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical: http://recoding.net/speedclan/index.php
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21:45 <Lackadaisical> doesn't work
21:45 <Vanhayes> hmm weird works fine for me
21:47 <madmax|pt> i guess im able to play, how many people you guys got?
21:48 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical has enough together I think
21:49 <Vanhayes> lack, rain, hay linn, 2020, and you
21:49 <Lackadaisical> well if sp isnt gonna come..
21:49 <Vanhayes> Im not sure how reliable their forums are, most probly havent seen the post
21:49 <Lackadaisical> spidey wanted to play too, i think, he doesnt know we are playing at 2000 gmt though
21:49 <Vanhayes> I posted it less than an hour ago
21:50 <Vanhayes> 20:00 is in 15 minutes right?
21:50 <Lackadaisical> yes
21:50 <Vanhayes> ok judt making sure
21:50 <Commn> where are you playing what?
21:50 <Vanhayes> just*
21:51 <Vanhayes> commn=compn=kama?
21:51 <Commn> yes
21:51 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical: O ya I think I forgot to say where it is happening
21:51 <Commn> diff pc .
21:51 <Vanhayes> heh ok
21:51 -!- Commn is now known as Compn1
21:52 <Vanhayes> Commn: fortress match between AW and SPwas set for today
21:52 <Lackadaisical> oh psyko only has 5 too
21:52 <Vanhayes> ok
21:53 <Vanhayes> looks like I might be the only one who can get to their forums, Im the only one who has been on in the last half hour
21:53 <Vanhayes> no one has probly seen the post
21:54 <Compn1> so uh
21:55 <Compn1> good luck
21:55 <Compn1> maybe i can sub for someone ;p
21:55 <Compn1> hehe
21:56 <Lackadaisical> yeah i dont know if 2020 is gonna come
21:56 <Lackadaisical> i havent seen him
21:57 <Vanhayes> sweety my client froze as soon as I got in Bugfarm
21:57 <Vanhayes> sweet* no y....
21:57 <madmax|pt> how come sp doesnt show up if they asked for it
21:58 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt: am I still in bugfarm?
21:58 <madmax|pt> no
21:58 <Compn1> i think the clans arent so prepared :(
21:58 <Vanhayes> ok
21:59 <Compn1> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Wraith_Squadron
21:59 <Compn1> our team has practice tho :)
21:59 <Compn1> we are ready!
21:59 <Vanhayes> heh they should be at least more prepared than a team called Anarchic wanderers
21:59 <Lackadaisical> they are there
21:59 <Lackadaisical> kami is gonna play?
21:59 <Compn1> what server?
21:59 <madmax|pt> 4 SPs
21:59 <Lackadaisical> zmans tournament
21:59 <madmax|pt> not bad
21:59 <madmax|pt> lol
21:59 <Compn1> you need me to play?
21:59 <Lackadaisical> if they get five.. and 2020 isnt gonna show up
21:59 <Vanhayes> z-mans tournament=zman's ladle?
22:00 <Lackadaisical> yeah he renamed it i think
22:00 <Compn1> o wait, i got too many torrents
22:00 <Compn1> hehe
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22:34 <Compn1> lol
22:34 <Compn1> sp vs aw is short a few people
22:34 <Compn1> arent the ladle matches supposed to be 8 on 8?
22:38 <Vanhayes> it isnt a ladle match just a match
22:39 <Vanhayes> sort of like an exhibtion game
22:39 <Compn1> ah
22:39 <Compn1> i was confused ;p
22:39 <Compn1> you still got enough ppl?
22:39 * Compn1 is afk in a few mins anyhow
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22:42 <Vanhayes> I have no idea, I think it might be over by now
22:42 <Self_Destructo> Hey guys...
22:42 <wrtlprnft> omg
22:43 <Self_Destructo> ?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> i just killed pig sty
22:43 <Self_Destructo> lol
22:43 <Self_Destructo> ?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> infact it's Joe's fault
22:45 <wrtlprnft> he typed Luke_Jr instead of Luke-Jr
22:48 <Self_Destructo> Ok, my server has been upgraded to 0.2.8.2 finally
22:49 <Self_Destructo> both .1 and .2 are very buggy....?
22:50 <Self_Destructo> I was wondering id it was possible for someone else to take the settings to my server and try to figure out if it is the settings that cause the wall bugs to happen
22:50 <Self_Destructo> is anyone here willing?
22:53 <Self_Destructo> no one?
22:54 <Self_Destructo> man, you guys probably hardly ever test your bug fixes and stuff with high speed and rubber settings do you guys?
22:55 <Self_Destructo> because the more fortress bugs you fix, the more high speed and rubber guys complain about bugs.
22:56 <Self_Destructo> ok, don't talk to me then
23:04 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/Clones/Puckmap-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
23:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: I hope it's OK i copied your map
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I won't
23:10 <Self_Destructo> #nickometer ~"XzL.Destructo
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> but you guys with high speed and rubber settings need to get involved with the testing process
23:10 <Self_Destructo> haha
23:10 <Self_Destructo> ok, i wish I could
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> we can only test so many configurations on our own, and we're going to test the ones we play
23:11 <Self_Destructo> i understand
23:11 <Self_Destructo> hrmm...
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> so if people don't get involved in a PUBLIC beta testing process, they should find someone who cares to complain to :)
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what bugs are you talking about? Post your settings. You didn't exactly give us much to work with....
23:12 <Self_Destructo> well, I would say more, but I can't because I don't play anymore... all I get is people griping
23:12 <Self_Destructo> okkk...
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> tell them to make recordings and post them :)
23:12 * Lucifer_arma notes that one of the purposes of the recording system is so we (and server admins) can say "Send a recording" when people bitch
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> and if they don't send a recording...
23:13 <Self_Destructo> ok, thanks for the tips
23:23 <Self_Destructo> ok, I added the server settings...
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23:40 <Lucifer_arma> mmm, I just made a soy-sesame dip for my spring rolls. I hope it's good :)
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23:53 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good uml modeling tool?
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00:03 <wrtlprnft> #nickometer ~"Xzl.Destructo
00:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> anybody ever use umbrello?
00:12 * wrtlprnft uses an umbrella once in a while
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> when it rains? heh
00:12 <wrtlprnft> exactly
00:13 <wrtlprnft> but to answer your question: I don't even know what umbrello is
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> kde uml tool
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> is it a requirement to be a weatherman to make really bad puns?
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> is there like some credit hours worth of bad punning you have to take to get your meteorology degree?
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> I installed umbrello in kubuntu but didn't get a chance to play with it before my system went berserk
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm emerging it now
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:25 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:25 <wrtlprnft> one last thing:
00:25 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76361#76361
00:26 <wrtlprnft> isn't that the same psyko that's leading SP?
00:27 <Lackadaisical> yes
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> wow, umbrello lets you write code
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> too bad it assumes C++ :)
00:29 * Lucifer_arma checks to see if it'll do python
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it will
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00:31 <Lucifer_arma> won't let you edit the code, though, heh
00:48 * spidey yawns
00:50 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5808 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (25 files in 6 dirs): Reorganised the class in more appropriate files
00:53 <spidey> Lackadaisical?
00:55 <Vanhayes> o ya Lackadaisical did AW beat SP?
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01:15 <Your_mom_arma> is luci on?
01:16 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, not at the moment luke-jr_ is trying to overrun hell
01:16 <Your_mom_arma> makes sence to me
01:51 <Lackadaisical> hi
01:51 <Lackadaisical> no
01:51 <Lackadaisical> we lost 3-1
01:51 <Your_mom_arma> hey, lost?
01:52 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes> o ya Lackadaisical did AW beat SP?
01:52 <Your_mom_arma> oh
01:53 <Vanhayes> that sucks, o well at least AW won one
01:53 <Lackadaisical> grats with being a developer btw Your_mom_arma :)
01:53 <Your_mom_arma> same to you :-)
01:53 <Lackadaisical> well we won the first two but teams werent really even up till the third one
02:01 <madmax|pt> good night
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02:10 <Lucifer_arma> kicking around a bit, about to put a sign on my truck
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02:43 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what map?
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, my wife's cold-blooded
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't think comparing my daughter to cinderella before the ball was a good idea
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> because in those movies they always show cinderella doing a little bit of work, then going around and singing and dancing and otherwise fucking off
02:59 <luke-jr_> lol
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> luci would it be okay if i protect the server page? its been subject to being defaced several times
03:05 <luke-jr_> too many potential legit changes, IMO
03:06 <Your_mom_arma> thats why i'm asking lucifer instead of just doing it
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> some guy keeps coming back to deface that paticular page though, only thing i could think to prevent it in my power
03:08 <luke-jr_> too bad you can't require approval on changes
03:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: hey
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey
03:14 <luke-jr_> you run windoze?
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
03:14 <luke-jr_> http://gammaclan.net what do you see for the ad area
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> a google ad
03:15 <luke-jr_> ...
03:15 <luke-jr_> Pack or AdWords? is there a search box?
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> adwords and search box
03:16 <luke-jr_> ok, try with IE =p
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03:16 <Your_mom_arma> google pack
03:17 <luke-jr_> search box?
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> nope
03:17 <luke-jr_> does it look ok?
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> also it has its own scrollbars
03:17 <luke-jr_> blah
03:17 <luke-jr_> why?
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03:18 <Lizz> hiya guys
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know
03:18 <luke-jr_> well, what can you scroll to?
03:18 <luke-jr_> hi Lizz
03:18 <Lizz> hiya luke
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> up down left and right of the ad like it isnt shown at its full size
03:19 <Your_mom_arma> hi
03:19 <Lizz> hiya yma
03:20 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: but what if you scroll?
03:21 <Your_mom_arma> just see more of the ad
03:21 <luke-jr_> eh, so it doesn't fit?
03:21 <mkzelda> ad looks fine in konqueror and firefox here
03:21 <Your_mom_arma> pretty much
03:21 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: I know that ;)
03:21 <mkzelda> just adding further reassurance
03:21 <Your_mom_arma> want a screenshot of it luke?
03:22 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: reload and see again?
03:22 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: thx
03:22 <Your_mom_arma> Parse error: parse error, unexpected '}' in /var/www/localhost/ads.php on line 18
03:22 <luke-jr_> again
03:22 <luke-jr_> lol
03:22 <Your_mom_arma> perfect
03:23 <luke-jr_> ok
03:23 <luke-jr_> so we confirmed once again what we already knew
03:23 <luke-jr_> IE sucks
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> i hear that
03:23 <luke-jr_> which is why IE gets a Firefox ad
03:23 <luke-jr_> lol
03:23 <luke-jr_> at least, I *think* Google Pack includes Firefox...
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04:03 <Your_mom_arma> luke do you have a server you could try changing map files?
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> pig tryed changing to the repeat map and it crashed, making a local server and changing to repeat crashed, playing locally with it succeded
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04:24 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: let's keep fighting the spam :)
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, we need (guru3 and I) to get the forums mirrored to my machine, at which point I'll put the phpBB login module for mediawiki on there
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> then we get a single login to both things, and a lot of confused spam bots :)
04:35 * Lucifer_arma seems to remember having problems with the repeat map back on the Crack Pipe
04:43 <luke-jr_> 02:43:10 up 1 day, 14:18, 3 users, load average: 2.57, 2.38, 1.32
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer's Guide to Annoying Your Wife/Girlfriend
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> 1. Tell her the best handjob you've ever had, you gave to yourself.
04:43 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: my experimetnal server is still up
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> 2. Tell her that only a person with a penis can give the best blowjob.
04:46 <Lizz> wife tell husband : then go find a person with a penis to give u one
04:46 <Lizz> :D
04:46 * luke-jr_ watches Lizz own Lucifer_arma
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> she wouldn't dare, because she knows I'd do exactly that :)
04:47 <Lizz> and id let u
04:47 <Lizz> :)
04:51 * Lizz believes in following thru
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> so does my wife, that's why she won't tell me
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> to do something like that
04:55 <Lizz> i think id take a cam and film u then use it for divorce settlement
04:55 <Lizz> no
04:56 <Lizz> id sell it on the AA forums :P
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> 3. Tell her her blowjobs are better than your last girlfriend's. (I don't know why this annoys her, it just does)
04:57 <Lizz> it does? o.O
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I think the part about having had a blowjob from someone else and/or the possibility she might not have done better is what annoys her
04:58 <Lizz> o.O
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> *annoyed (past tense, after 10 years, she doesn't care so much)
04:58 <Lizz> if u say so >.>
04:58 <Lizz> all sounds a bit odd to me
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> man, Americans are weird, no denying that.
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> too many guys I've known have taken some insecurity out of the fact that their girlfriends have slept with someone before them
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> what, a woman's supposed to be chaste while a man screws around? Just who is that man going to screw, then?
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> how *do* you get a 7 year old girl to shut the fuck up?
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> just saying "shut the fuck up" doesn't work
05:01 <anjori> punch her in the face?
05:01 <Lizz> its a bit like us saying to men to annoy them is "is it in yet?"
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't work when she gasps every time it goes in for the first time
05:01 <Lizz> thats only coz we fake that to make u all feel good
05:02 <Lizz> same as orgasm
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can't fake an orgasm to a man who knows what a real one feels like
05:02 <Lizz> LOL
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> this is what I get for telling her she has to finish the laundry before she goes to bed
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> worse, she had to do the dishes too
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05:06 <Lucifer_arma> I should sit here and play arma while she's folding clothes
05:06 <Lizz> why not?? her job
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't do that sexist thing around here
05:06 <Lizz> then dont play and help her fold
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> this is my daughter, who's become slave labor for the time being
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> Moral of the story: if all you have to do is clean your room, don't bitch about it!
05:07 <anjori> inroducing her to her role in life early, eh? :P
05:07 <Lizz> lol
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife and I have decided to start up a chore rotation finally---after I finish working my daughter to the bone.
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> It's her object lesson in Real Work.
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> maybe when I'm done she'll appreciate how little she actually has to do and how much has to get done around here
05:09 <Lizz> maybe....
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> probably not
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> she was real proud of the dishes she did last night, though. Hopefully she'll be proud of the ones she does tonight
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> she's a good girl, when she gets over this princess attitude of hers she should have a good work ethic.
05:11 <Lizz> as long as u are a consistent parent and always follow thru with the consequences.. things usually work out... kids.. like adults need validation
05:11 <Lizz> and praise..
05:12 <Lizz> they will always seek out attention.. if they cat get positive.. they will get negative.. in their eyes any is better than none
05:12 * Lizz shutsup now
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05:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, she gets plenty of attention :)
05:16 <Lizz> :)
05:17 <Lizz> how old is she loocee?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> 7
05:17 <Lizz> sweet age :)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> lots of hugs, playing, and stuff
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I love playing with my kids. :)
05:18 <Lizz> still a baby
05:18 <Lizz> cute
05:19 <Lizz> sounds like u got it all worked out loocee :)
05:20 <Lizz> is she ur eldest?
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, she's the old one
05:20 <Lizz> ok :)
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> the others are boys, 6 and 2
05:21 <Lizz> k
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> the 2 year old's birthday is next month, though
05:21 <Lizz> trying ages at times tho.. but lottsa fun :)
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> "I'm doing the bacteria part first!"
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05:22 <Lucifer_arma> the bacteria part is where the food goes. I told her if she doesn't clean it thoroughly, bacteria will grow in there and give us all food poisoning
05:23 <Lizz> ok... just as long as u dont give her umm.. a guilt issue.. like.. dont weigh her down with issues that will make her feel that she cant win.. umm meaning.. give her tasks u kno she can do well.. that way u dont set her up for failure..
05:24 <Lizz> umm just my opinion.. and plz dont take offence to anything i say.. its not meant in that way at all
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> normally she says "I can't <do this thing>" and I say "yes you can, do it!"
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> then she does it
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> then she comes back and says "Daddy, I really can <do this thing>!"
05:25 <Lizz> shes looking for ur reassurance.. and seeing if u have confidence in her.. she is seeking ur approval.. its important to her
05:25 <Lizz> :)
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> I won't say I'm the greatest father ever or anything, but I try to make sure there's always a way she can do it and be measured with success
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, sure. SOme of the time she's doing that. :)
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> Some of the time she's just trying to laze her way out of something.
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> And some of the time she genuinely doesn't think she can do it.
05:28 <Lizz> she is just testing the boundries u and ur wife has set
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> sure, sometimes. Sometimes she's taking advantage of one of us, sometimes she's <kids are more complex than that>
05:29 <Lizz> as long as she has parents that love and support her as u and ur wife obviously seem to, im sure she will do just fine :)
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, we don't have many rules, but when they both came home from school talking about "bad words", I said "The only bad words in this house are 'I can't'"
05:30 <Lizz> kids always go for the "soft" parent first... just as we do as adults.. its a learning curve of the boundries
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> that would be their mother, and they do indeed always go for her first. :)
05:30 <Lizz> ;)
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm definitely the hard ass. :)
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> My wife went in to help her get her tooth out a few nights ago, and for 30 minutes my daughter screamed at her and finally started pushing her away
05:31 <Lizz> as long as the family unit works as a team.. and all are aware that ev1 needs to contribute to the team to make it function well.. it can work good
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> so I went in and spent all of 5 minutes fighting with my daughter, got her to hold still long enough for me to get a good grip on her tooth, the fucker came right out
05:32 <Lizz> heh
05:32 <Lizz> daddy to the resue
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> after she got over the way I did it, she thanked me and gave me a kiss. :)
05:32 <Lizz> :) sweet
05:33 <Lizz> as long as u always keep the communication open with ur kids.. about everything... it makes life and the next stage alot easier for u all :)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll see. They won't tell on themselves right now, and I'm too much of a hard-ass to go easy on them when they do
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> but I think that's reasonable behavior on their part at this age
05:34 <Lizz> i agree..
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> you know, we don't hit them or anything. I rate spanking and giving them candy as abusive :)
05:35 <Lizz> i rate it as pointless disipline too
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> but they do come to me with problems they want fixed. If they want sympathy, they go to my wife, if they want it fixed, they come to me
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> punishment doesn't work! Sounds crazy, but that's how it is. It just builds resentment.
05:35 <Lizz> men are always the solution finders.. women the comfortors
05:35 <Lizz> ers*
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, when my daughter's fish died, she wanted Daddy.
05:36 <Lizz> consequences are better than punishment imo
05:36 <Lizz> every action has a reaction
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> our approach is that if you want to be around people, you have to behave well around them, with good manners, and play nicely.
05:37 <Lizz> agrees
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> and if you want to live like an animal, you can always go outside and do so.
05:37 <Lizz> yup
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then they need to be reminded of it, but for the most part they're pretty well-behaved.
05:38 <Lizz> :)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> Not so well-behaved that they don't play and have fun, I mean, if you're not playing, having fun, and getting in trouble, you're not being a kid.
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> some of us grown-ups still go through that sequence :)
05:39 <Lizz> like us.. kids have bad days too.. thats normal.. some parent expect their kids to be behaved all the time.. thats unrealistic and will set them up for failure again.. parent need to respect their children just as we expect them to respect us
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> say it, girl. :)
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> one of my pet peeves is watching any adult behave disrespectfully to a kid
05:40 <Lizz> mmm
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> actually, my in-laws tend to give me strange looks when I talk to my kids because I talk to them like any adult, and they understand :)
05:40 <Lizz> u cant get respect off ur kids if u dont give it to them.. i cant see why some adults dont get that >.<
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me neither. Heh.
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> I say "excuse me" when they're in my way and they move, *and* they say "excuse me" when I'm in their way
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> amazing how that works
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, my daughter's doing a bang-up job on the laundry right now, I hope she keeps it up
05:42 <Lizz> ive always spoken to my son as an adult.. mainly coz he has grown up with only adults.. it does have its problems later on.. ive had to deal wit them.. it can be a double edged sword at times.. esp when they are a bit older
05:43 <Lizz> but.. as he gets even older... it will be more of a benifit
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm careful with technical details, mostly because they don't always have the attention span to lsiten to them
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> but otherwise, I'll stop and define words they don't understand if I need to, and don't hold anything back
05:44 <Lizz> when ive been asked a question.. ive always give the honest answer.. tho at times.. i havent elaborated on it.. as he was too young to fully understand.. u gotta always be honest with ur kids... then chances are.. they will always be honest with u
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> but we're not prudes. :) When the last kid was born, we all went to the hospital together. The two older ones fell asleep,
05:45 <Lizz> lol
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> but when the baby started coming out, I woke them up so they could see him. They were very happy about it and talked about it for days. :)
05:45 <Lizz> :)
05:45 <luke-jr_> they didn't freak out? =p
05:45 <Lizz> kids take things in their stride better than adults.. they habour no predjudices
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's true. NO, they loved it!
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> and the baby had pooped on his way out, and my daughter noticed it and pointed it out to the nurses
05:46 <Lizz> heh
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> she still talks about that
05:47 <Lizz> a story she can tell at ur youngest sons 21st lol
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> so they got to see him come out, and the umbilical chord get unwrapped from his neck and cut, and all that
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:47 <Lizz> cant hide life or death from ur kids.. its all part of learning and accepting
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can't. we had a funeral for the fish
05:48 <Lizz> :) a necessary thing
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> we had 3 fish die this summer and we had funerals for each one
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter was the palm bearers for her two fish, and my son for his, of course
05:49 <luke-jr_> why?
05:49 <luke-jr_> fish just go away when they die
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> my wife killed the 2 that died together
05:49 <Lizz> its all part of the baby steps to lifes bigger ordeals.. the better u can equip them as children.. the stabler they will be as adults
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> she cleaned their tanks, and did two bad things
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> 1. She put unconditioned water to top them off
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> 2. She didn't warm the water up to the same temperature as the tanks' water
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, looking at luke-jr_ I think it's pretty obvious the kids needed the funerals for the fish :)
05:53 <luke-jr_> nah, it's like Disney brainwashing kids into thinking animals are intelligent
05:54 <luke-jr_> dead fish are merely fertilizer
05:55 <Lizz> not to the kids that loved them tho
05:57 <luke-jr_> ok
05:57 <luke-jr_> fertilizer and memories
05:57 <luke-jr_> =p
05:58 <Vanhayes_> well so ar epoeple
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06:00 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter read to her fish every night before she went to bed
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm supposed to tell her this friend of hers is just fertilizer?
06:01 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: nonsense
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, actually, I did. :)
06:01 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: lol
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I told her all about the cycle of life and explained how it's the same for people
06:01 <luke-jr_> pfft
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I did *not* fill her head with nonsense about god and redemption and heaven
06:01 <luke-jr_> the truth isn't nonsense
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's true, but god is
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter summarized it best:
06:02 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: not really, when someone dies their body is decomposed and all we have left of them is memories
06:02 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: not quite
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> "Daddy's just saying that because he knows I believe in God. I also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny!"
06:02 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: their soul still is somewhere, and will be reunited with their resurrected body one day
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> that violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> er
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> no, the law of conservation of mass
06:03 <Vanhayes> well alll magic aside they it is the same then
06:03 <luke-jr_> conservation of Macs? =p
06:03 <Vanhayes> then*
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> whichever the one is that says that there isn't enough mass on this planet to resurrect all the dead bodies of the people that have lived on it :)
06:05 * Lucifer_arma observes silence you can cut with a knife
06:05 <anjori> if you believe in magic and fairy tales, laws don't matter
06:06 <Vanhayes> lol true
06:06 <luke-jr_> if 'laws' conflict with facts, they are obviously buggy 'laws'
06:07 <anjori> facts?
06:07 <anjori> you understand why they call it "faith", right?
06:07 <Vanhayes> heh luke-jr_ likes his "facts"
06:07 * GodTodd notes the irony in luke-jr_'s statement.
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: does your shit stink?
06:08 <luke-jr_> anjori: 'faith' != 'blind faith'
06:09 <luke-jr_> and even in the latter case, lack of proof does not falsify
06:09 <GodTodd> lack of proof does not validate either
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> lack of evidence, you mean
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> scientifically, nothing can be proven
06:09 <Vanhayes> lack of proof=theory not fact
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> hypothesis!
06:09 <Vanhayes> fine
06:10 <Vanhayes> lack of proof=hypothesis not fact
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> theory = fact, as far as regular every day people are concerned
06:10 <GodTodd> theory = hypothesis that is repeatable iirc
06:10 * Lucifer_arma thinks the world would be a better place if people used the scientific definition of theory all the time
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, a hypothesis is your explanation for an observation
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> Then you have to provide repeatable steps whose outcome is predicted by your hypothesis
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> then it's a theory :)
06:11 <GodTodd> right
06:11 <Vanhayes> anyone with out proof its hard to call it a fact
06:12 <Vanhayes> anyway*
06:12 <Vanhayes> damn im having alot of typos today
06:12 <GodTodd> the sun rises in the west....i can't prove that...can't even provide evidence....yet it is not able to be falsified :)
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you were luke-jr_ you'd just redefine "west" as "the direction the sun rises from"
06:12 <GodTodd> yep
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's easy to win an argument if you're allowed to redefine the language the other guy uses at will
06:16 <GodTodd> don't forget poo-pooing or hiding evidence that doesn't support your viewpoint ;)
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06:25 <Your_mom_arma> luke is your server down, not showing up on master server list
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06:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> you should hear drums and guitar
06:39 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: which one
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> the experimental one
06:41 <luke-jr_> should be up I think
06:42 <luke-jr_> eh, nope
06:42 <luke-jr_> wtf, it was rebooted recently?
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> so it isn't up?
06:42 * luke-jr_ peers at his daughter
06:42 <luke-jr_> apparently not
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:42 <luke-jr_> lemme see if I can remember how to start it
06:43 <luke-jr_> ok, its up
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> ok that crashed it :/
06:55 <Your_mom_arma> map_file your_mom/clever/repeat-0.3.2.aamap.xml
06:56 <Your_mom_arma> completly valid command crashes servers but not local game
07:07 <luke-jr_> it's not valid
07:07 <luke-jr_> there is no such resource
07:08 <luke-jr_> you want map_file Your_mom/clever/repeat-0.3.2.aamap.xml
07:10 <Your_mom_arma> please tell me your jokin :-{
07:11 <Your_mom_arma> your server crashed when i joined
07:11 <luke-jr_> map_file Your_mom/clever/repeat-0.3.2.aamap.xml
07:12 <luke-jr_> server restared
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> is it case sensitive?
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76461#76461
07:15 <luke-jr_> yes, it is case sensitive like filenames usually are
07:15 <nemostultae_> except on Windows and Mac OS X...
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> its worked sometimes iirc
07:17 <luke-jr_> nemostultae_: depends on the filesystem for OS X =p
07:17 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: if it's worked ever, that's a bug
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I just explained to my daughter the difference between O(n) and O(1) I think
07:17 <nemostultae_> Very few people reformat to HFS+ case sensitive.
07:17 <luke-jr_> however, I don't see the bug in the code
07:18 <luke-jr_> so go figure
07:18 <luke-jr_> the comparison seems to be MAP_FILE != expected
07:18 <luke-jr_> and != seems to be case sensitive
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> of course it is :)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> strncmp() is what you want, iirc
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's istrcmp()
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> istrncmp() ?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> tString has the method in it somewhere, though
07:19 <luke-jr_> ...
07:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's supposed to be case sensitive
07:20 <luke-jr_> it doesn't appear to be on Windoze, which is why certain people have it work when it shouldn't
07:20 <nemostultae_> tString just wraps strcasecmp and strcmp.
07:20 <luke-jr_> nemostultae_: for !=, it seems to be strcmp
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't make sense to do a case-sensitive comparison on a filesystem that's not case sensitive, though
07:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the resource filepath is assumed to be sensitive
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> I realize your server is case sensitive
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can't make that assumption. You have to *know*
07:21 <luke-jr_> while at the same time, insensitive ;)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> or we need a better way to recover from that error :)
07:21 <luke-jr_> eg, only one file case exist with the same filepath insensitively matched
07:21 <luke-jr_> but the case must be matched to choose it
07:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we just need to tell idiot users it's sensitive, and figure out why local games work when it's not properly capitalized
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, it should prefer the one that matches exactly, and if a local copy doesn't match exactly on a case-insensitive filesystem, then it should do it with an appropriate warning
07:21 <Your_mom_arma> i know for a fact that on local games loadin mapfile your_blahblah works when Your_blahblah is the actual folder
07:21 <luke-jr_> they shouldn't, but they do
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it works for Your_mom_arma locally because he's on Windows, right?
07:22 <nemostultae_> yea
07:22 <luke-jr_> no idea why, tho
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> because windows has a case-insensitive filesystem?
07:22 <luke-jr_> it should notice the XML tags and MAP_FILE don't match
07:22 <luke-jr_> it's not comparing the local filesystem's capitalization
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> how can it tell that, though?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> you can have category/subcategory, right?
07:23 <luke-jr_> yes, so?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> then there was another one.....hmmmm........(heh)
07:23 <luke-jr_> if MAP_FILE starts with 'y' and Author starts with 'Y', that's a mismatch
07:23 <luke-jr_> and it should bail out complaining the wrong file is at MAP_FILE
07:23 <luke-jr_> even on Windows local
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it should load it with an appropriate warning
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> because if it doesn't load it, the server is unusable
07:24 <luke-jr_> we decided a long time ago to avoid warnings where doing it the right way is necessary
07:24 <luke-jr_> it doesn't work on servers anyway
07:24 <luke-jr_> the problem is local games
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> what's the right way?
07:24 <luke-jr_> proper capitalization
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's not true on a case-insensitive filesystem
07:25 <luke-jr_> the resource filesystem isn't case-insensitive
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's true if the filesystem is case sensitive, or if we're trying to retrieve it from a case-sensitive repository
07:25 <luke-jr_> the cache filesystem is irrelevant
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> if neither of those are the case, then Your_mom == your_mom is true
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> we're not talking about the cache filesystem, we're talking about the filesystem where the game is installed
07:25 <luke-jr_> the resource filesystem is sensitive, and that's all that matters
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not. It doesn't make sense that the resource filesystem is sensitive on an OS that isn't
07:26 <luke-jr_> the local resource directory is a cache
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> you're just forcing unix filesystem conventions onto people who don't give a rat's ass about them
07:26 <luke-jr_> the resource filesystem is abstract and determined by specs, which have always included sensitivity
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> then the spec is wrong. We need to consider the filesystem that the user is using
07:27 <luke-jr_> why?
07:27 <luke-jr_> why should a cache's structure be given any thought?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> because the user is going to expect it to work the way he is accustomed to things working on his OS
07:27 <luke-jr_> we could name everything after their MD5s
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> this isn't the cache we're talking about
07:27 <luke-jr_> the user needs to realize it's not a local file
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> this is a map that ships with the game
07:28 <luke-jr_> static caches are still caches
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> you're just not seeing it
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07:29 <Lucifer_arma> for someone who reasonably expects his computer to load a file in a case-insensitive manner, for us to not do so is a BUG
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's why we have to think about it
07:30 <luke-jr_> it's not loading a file
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> now, we can't just blindly load it either, because an external repository can be case-sensitive
07:30 <luke-jr_> it's loading a resource
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh fuck off with this pedantic shit
07:30 <luke-jr_> just like a user can't expect any random http address to be insenstiive
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> think about the person actually playing the game for a second, will you?
07:31 <luke-jr_> I am
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> no you're not
07:31 <luke-jr_> being inconsistent doesn't help anyone
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> you're more concerned with your petty "spec" than you are with people actually using it
07:31 <luke-jr_> it just gets the many bug reports of "it works local but not on the server"
07:31 <luke-jr_> people assume if it works one place, it works another
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> not if there's a warning that says "This isn't right, but I'm doing it anyway"
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> then they *know* why it works locally but not on the server
07:32 <luke-jr_> even then
07:32 <luke-jr_> that's why we don't *warn* about DTD invalidation
07:32 <luke-jr_> we reject an invalid resource
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07:32 <Lucifer_arma> right, and crash the server, that's always a good solution
07:32 <luke-jr_> that's another bug
07:32 <luke-jr_> and note the server crashes either way right now
07:33 <luke-jr_> the server should be changed to *not* crash when it has problems with the map
07:33 <luke-jr_> if it's missing or what not, it should fall back
07:35 <luke-jr_> summary: the server is unrelated to the problem and has no changes planned by either of us. the problem is that people use an incorrectly capitalized map_file *locally* and it works, thus they assume it is correct
07:36 <luke-jr_> a warning will go ignored, as usual
07:36 <luke-jr_> an error will get the user to take a second to fix the problem while ensuring they are aware of what they did wrong
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's an error without an explanation, last time I saw it happen
07:36 <luke-jr_> it's not an error, that's the problem
07:36 <luke-jr_> right now, it's just ignored and there's no warning nor error
07:37 <luke-jr_> so people assume it's correct
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we still need to consider case insensitivity. Besides user expectations, I can give an even better reason.
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> Someone makes a map Your_mom/repeat/whatever-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> SOmeone else makes a completely different map: YOUR_mom/repeat/whatever-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:38 <luke-jr_> that's why I suggested a mix of sensitive and insensitive
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> eh? no you didn't. You required case-insensitive
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> something about a "spec"
07:39 <nemostultae_> where is this spec?
07:39 <luke-jr_> Case insensitive on name conflict comparisons
07:39 <luke-jr_> but specifying requires correct case
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07:39 <luke-jr_> permitting case insensitivity throughout is not practical, even if it were to be preferred
07:40 <luke-jr_> you would need to figure out how to change the configuration of all webservers involved
07:40 <luke-jr_> and then do searching on case sensitive filesystems
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's true and all, with one minor thing not considered
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> chances are much higher that the user intended to load the resource found that matches in every way except case
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> so it's ok if we then go ahead and load the resource and warn the user. If it's not what he intended, he'll know he needs to fix it.
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> Further, if unexpected behavior comes later, he can go back through his logs (server admin we're tlaking) and find the warning
07:41 <luke-jr_> people ignore warnings. that's why DTD validation fail isn't one.
07:41 <luke-jr_> talk to ph
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> if unexpected doesn't come later, that's different
07:42 <luke-jr_> how many bug reports are from people who read logs or warnings?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> people do ignore warnings, that is true, but failure to validate against the DTD isn't a "warning" condition anyway, it's an error
07:42 <luke-jr_> same with case :)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> a better question is how many bug reports could we deal with in 5 seconds if someone posted a log that contained a warning?
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> that current take much longer to deal with
07:43 <luke-jr_> if they don't read logs, they won't post them
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> if they don't post them, we can't help them
07:43 <luke-jr_> how many people need to be told about TALK_TO_MASTER?
07:43 <luke-jr_> same stuff
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh, only the same people who need to know about port forwarding :)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> but that's a different situation. That's failing to read the documentation.
07:44 <luke-jr_> "if you use a router, your server will be laggy; you need to buy service from me" :p
07:44 <luke-jr_> failing to read docs go along w/ failing to read warnings
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, your track record for thinking about users isn't very good....
07:45 <luke-jr_> same kind of user
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> not really. a lot of it depends on the warning.
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> In this case, since the chances are VERY GOOD that the user intended to load that resource, the warning being ignored is perfectly fine
07:45 <luke-jr_> ...
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> it only matters when weird shit happens after the resource is loaded, at which point the user will either report a bug (which he was going to do anyway),
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> or he'll go back and read the warning
07:46 <luke-jr_> nobody goes back to read warnings when it works
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> it only matters when it doesn't work
07:46 <luke-jr_> when it works on their local game, they will assume it must work everywhere
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> depends
07:47 <luke-jr_> inconsistency is a bug to most people
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, then we need to rethink our case-sensitivity, because the lowest common denominator is case-insensitive
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> if we don't meet that, we're inconsistent no matter what
07:48 <luke-jr_> the lowest common denominator is sensitive from a technical standpoint ;p
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> uhhh, no?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's what we have to make everything match :)
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> you see, the example I gave will see the person having to download the map fresh every time
07:49 <luke-jr_> it's less work for people to learn to capitalize than it is to patch every Apache out there to handle insensitivity
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> which completely defeats the point of the cache, may as well not have one then
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> we dont' have to patch every apache out there
07:49 <luke-jr_> the only other option would be to mandate a certain case
07:49 <luke-jr_> like mandate everything being lowercase
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> uhhh, no?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> we can't make a blanket solution, resolving the difference requires human intervention
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> so, we need to figure out what the user is trying to do and do our best to do it and tell him when we have to make significant contortions
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> and the fact is, when you get right down to it, we're only talking about a few people who are going to have resources with exactly the same names where case is the only difference as actually different resources
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I don't think that's a realistic scenario to begin with
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> so then we need to think about someone abusing user's case-insensitive filesystems, and otherwise try to behave like any other application on that platform is expected to behave
07:54 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
07:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong
07:54 <spidey> luke-jr_, set the password to what my webservers pass is :p
07:55 <luke-jr_> ...
07:55 <luke-jr_> set *what* password to *what*?
07:55 <spidey> aa-admin
07:55 <spidey> to what the fallin-angels ssh pass is
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> why does hydrogen crash when I try to open the fortress walk file?
07:56 <luke-jr_> I don't know what it is
08:00 <luke-jr_> spidey: your server's had some use lately =p
08:01 <spidey> ?
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08:01 <luke-jr_> spidey: there were a few guys just playing on it
08:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: btw, u know u can change your own pass =p
08:02 <spidey> i don't remember the first one
08:04 <luke-jr_> o
08:05 <luke-jr_> PM
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08:28 <spidey> luke-jr_,
08:28 <spidey> identify
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, Fortress Walk is getting lyrics, hahahahahahaha
08:35 <spidey> ?
08:37 <luke-jr_> ...
08:37 <spidey> you get that?
08:37 <luke-jr_> ya
08:37 <spidey> did you respond?
08:38 <luke-jr_> ya
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08:40 <Your_mom_arma> hey
08:40 <groundpig> hi
08:40 <groundpig> finally did get your map loaded
08:41 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
08:41 <Your_mom_arma> you missed luke and luci duking it out over case sensitivity
08:41 <spidey> piggy ;D
08:41 <groundpig> aw sorry i missed that - hi spidey
08:42 <luke-jr_> groundpig: spidey is running your code for his server =p
08:42 <groundpig> nice
08:42 <spidey> i can't get single shots :<
08:42 <spidey> megashots i can O.o
08:42 <groundpig> what is your SHOT_THRESH set to?
08:42 <luke-jr_> translation: please post your config =p
08:43 <groundpig> SHOT_THRESH 0.0001
08:43 <spidey> haha
08:43 <groundpig> ok will do
08:43 <spidey> k,sec
08:44 <groundpig> so running with the patch i just posted? compile OK?
08:44 <spidey> luke compiled it
08:44 <spidey> that worked,thnx ;D
08:44 <spidey> brb pizza = burning
08:46 <luke-jr_> yeah
08:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: the puckmap one
08:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what'd you change? =D
08:46 <groundpig> that makes me happy, thanks for trying it
08:46 <groundpig> :B)
08:46 <wrtlprnft> if I had a use for zombies on my race server I'd update it to use the new patch
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> damn, why does cos(pi) have to be -1?
08:47 <wrtlprnft> but it would be a lot of work since it's a trunk server
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> IT SCREWS UP THE METAPHOR!
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> How can I say "It's the pi for my cosine" if cos(pi) = -1?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> #g cos(pi)
08:48 <armabot> cos(pi) = -1
08:48 * Lucifer_arma looks for another stupid metaphor
08:49 <spidey> #g pi
08:49 <armabot> pi = 3.14159265
08:49 <spidey> #g cos
08:49 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, what rhymes with space?
08:49 <spidey> waste?
08:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: removed the two holes on the sides
08:49 <spidey> trace!
08:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: bah! =p
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> trace sounds good
08:50 <wrtlprnft> face
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> Core dumped without a trace!
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:50 <spidey> lol
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need a line to put in front of that
08:50 <spidey> maybe
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> the first two lines are:
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> It's the fortress of doom
08:51 <spidey> \1 pwned \2 without a trace O.o
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> It's my own little space
08:51 <spidey> er
08:51 <groundpig> wrtlprnft: would self destruct be useful on a race server?
08:51 <spidey> who's gonna sing it? lol
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> me :)
08:51 <spidey> haha
08:52 <spidey> i want a recording!
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's the Fortress Walk, it'll ship with the game
08:52 <spidey> lahl
08:52 <luke-jr_> lol
08:52 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: there's death shots wich basically have the same effect
08:52 <groundpig> luke-jr_: config posted on forums
08:53 <luke-jr_> spidey:
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha, got it
08:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
08:53 <spidey> luke-jr_,
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> It's the fortress of doom
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> It's my own little space
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> So come on in where it's warm
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> Core dumped without a trace
08:53 <luke-jr_> groundpig: I just compile and host-- spidey configures/admin/etc
08:54 * Lucifer_arma isn't going to be able to sing it tonight, he'll be lucky if he gets drums and bass laid down
08:54 <groundpig> luke-jr_: ok
08:55 <groundpig> spidey: what server? i'd like to try er out
08:55 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: line 3 idea: If you tread in our place,
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> rhyming pattern is ABCB
08:55 <luke-jr_> oh well
08:55 <spidey> U.S.Sty , if you come up with something i can put infront of the server name,let me know
08:55 <spidey> ;D
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
08:56 <luke-jr_> line 3 seems out of place
08:56 <luke-jr_> what's warm? why do you get dumped? =p
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> might need to put it after the line that says "It's a ring of fire"
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pacing in my circle
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> I've got you in my sights
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> You wanna take <need something here>
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> You won't get it without a fight
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08:59 <cusco> how about the inter tronic
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> #dict homeland
09:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gaz-place, and gazetteer responded: wn: homeland n : the country where you were born [syn: {fatherland}, {motherland}, {mother country}, {country of origin}, {native land}]; gazetteer: Homeland, CA (CDP, FIPS 34316) Location: 33.74847 N, 117.10858 W Population (1990): 3312 (1613 housing units) Area: 7.4 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 92548 Homeland, GA (3 more messages)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> #more
09:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (city, FIPS 39692) Location: 30.85500 N, 82.02429 W Population (1990): 981 (380 housing units) Area: 5.0 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water); gaz-place: Homeland, GA -- U.S. city in Georgia Population (2000): 765 Housing Units (2000): 318 Land area (2000): 2.576899 sq. miles (6.674137 sq. km) Water area (2000): 0.000000 sq. miles (0.000000 sq. km) Total area (2000): 2.576899 sq. miles (2 more messages)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> #more
09:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (6.674137 sq. km) FIPS code: 39692 Located within: Georgia (GA), FIPS 13 Location: 30.859445 N, 82.022074 W ZIP Codes (1990): Note: some ZIP codes may be omitted esp. for suburbs. Headwords: Homeland, GA Homeland; gaz-place: Homeland, CA -- U.S. Census Designated Place in California Population (2000): 3710 Housing Units (2000): 1812 Land area (2000): 3.295011 sq. miles (8.534038 sq. (1 more message)
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> ack
09:01 * Lucifer_arma wanted synonyms
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> I need a 2 syllable word that means something like "inner peace"
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> #dict inner peace
09:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No definition for "inner peace" could be found.
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just put "temple"
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09:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5809 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Predicted walls are no longer marked as dangerous; the cycle position gets extrapolated on a danger query.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> alright, 4:47
09:17 <spidey> luke-jr_, lol?
09:17 <Vanhayes_> so that wasnt just me then?
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09:18 <groundpig> hmm
09:18 <Your_mom_arma> what?
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09:19 * Lucifer_arma cries audibly
09:19 <Your_mom_arma> whats wrong?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I just trashed my left hand and fucked up the song
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> would've been fine if I had finished the song without screwing up too badly, then I could've rested while I laid down guitar tracks :)
09:28 <Vanhayes> what would a flooded connection do to download/upload speeds? anything or would it affect it at all?
09:29 <luke-jr_> they'd fight over bandwidth
09:29 <luke-jr_> trust me, the T1 US Pig is on isn't flooded =p
09:29 <Vanhayes> er let me rephrase that, how could I tell if my connection is flooded?
09:29 <luke-jr_> it's like 99.5% unused
09:30 <luke-jr_> compare usage to cap
09:30 <Vanhayes> and how would I do that?
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09:32 <luke-jr_> cap - usage = leftover
09:43 <spidey> luke-jr_, you sure about that?
09:43 <spidey> it was lagging pretty good
09:43 <spidey> speed burts, tails jumping around, sliding
09:43 <spidey> etc
09:46 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: where would I find out what my cap and usage are?
09:47 <spidey> mm
09:47 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: cap, your ISP
09:47 <luke-jr_> usage, your system
09:47 <luke-jr_> spidey: shouldn't be-- at its peak it used 200 kbit/sec out of 1 mbit/sec
09:47 <luke-jr_> the other server was idle
09:48 <spidey> ask piggy
09:48 <luke-jr_> maybe the undeleted zones are sticking around
09:48 <spidey> ?
09:49 <luke-jr_> remember how they sit outside the HUD map?
09:49 <luke-jr_> they're not being deleted completely
09:49 <Vanhayes> #google svchost.exe
09:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.20 seconds: svchost - svchost.exe - Process Information: <http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/svchost/>; A description of Svchost.exe in Windows XP Pro: <http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314056>; Description of Svchost.exe in Windows 2000: <http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=250320>; svchost.exe Windows process - What is it?: (2 more messages)
09:49 <spidey> lol
09:49 <spidey> hayes
09:49 <spidey> that's a group of programs windows crammed in 1 service
09:50 <luke-jr_> so like xinetd?
09:50 <spidey> luke-jr_, what's that got to do with lag/
09:50 <spidey> ?
09:50 <Vanhayes> ya there is a bunch of them running, just wanted to know what they are
09:50 <spidey> what's xinetd?
09:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: the server could be eating up memory and slowing itself down
09:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: xinetd is a server that just listens on ports and starts other servers when something wants them
09:51 <spidey> Vanhayes, you shouldn't have more than 4-5
09:51 <Vanhayes> 4-5 sounds right
09:51 <luke-jr_> so you could tell it to run 'ls' for anything on port 4444
09:51 <luke-jr_> and if you telnet to port 4444 you get ls
09:51 <luke-jr_> =p
09:51 <spidey> m
09:52 <Vanhayes> er actually I have 7 going it seems
09:52 <Vanhayes> er 8*
09:52 <spidey> do you have things like
09:52 <spidey> wireless
09:52 <spidey> scanner
09:52 <spidey> printer
09:52 <spidey> mm
09:52 <Vanhayes> all of the above
09:52 <Vanhayes> well scanner/printer
09:52 <spidey> hm
09:53 <spidey> printer runs on spools.exe
09:53 <Vanhayes> and the wireless isnt for this computer but it is hooled up to it
09:53 <spidey> so it don't count
09:53 <Vanhayes> spoolsv.exe
09:53 <spidey> ya
09:54 <Vanhayes> er I got a little side tracked
09:55 <Vanhayes> so where would I find this information luke-jr_ ?
09:55 <spidey> ?
09:55 <spidey> well
09:55 <spidey> you'd need something that monitors traffic
09:55 <Vanhayes> cap =the max ISP gives me, usage is what im actually using?
09:55 <spidey> to find out usuage
09:56 <spidey> yes
09:56 <spidey> cap = connection speed
09:56 <spidey> simpler
09:56 <spidey> :p
09:56 <Vanhayes> hmm pretty sure it is 100 mbps
09:57 <spidey> hahaha
09:57 <spidey> no it's not
09:57 <spidey> 100mbps is probably your nic speed
09:58 <luke-jr_> look at your total data transfer #s
09:58 <luke-jr_> wait 1 minute
09:58 <luke-jr_> then look again
09:58 <luke-jr_> the difference is the traffic in 1 min
09:59 <luke-jr_> divide that by 60 to get per second
09:59 <luke-jr_> now, that number is USAGE
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09:59 <spidey> lol
09:59 <luke-jr_> ...
09:59 <Vanhayes_> woops
09:59 * luke-jr_ stabs
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09:59 <luke-jr_> ...........
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> look at your total data transfer #s
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> wait 1 minute
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> then look again
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> the difference is the traffic in 1 min
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> divide that by 60 to get per second
10:00 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> now, that number is USAGE
10:00 <luke-jr_> now, do you have DSL or Cable?
10:00 <spidey> thanks piggy
10:00 <groundpig> spidey: sure, np
10:01 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: you have < 1 min
10:01 <luke-jr_> if you don't answer, I'm leaving
10:01 <luke-jr_> and going to bed
10:01 <luke-jr_> and sleeping
10:01 <luke-jr_> until I wake up
10:01 <luke-jr_> at probably 2 PM
10:01 <spidey> lo
10:01 <Vanhayes> er just a second
10:01 <luke-jr_> it's a simple question
10:01 <luke-jr_> DSL or cable?!
10:02 <Vanhayes> um pretty sure dsl
10:02 <luke-jr_> ok
10:02 <luke-jr_> then get on the phone
10:02 <luke-jr_> call ISP
10:02 <spidey> does it use a phoneline?
10:02 <luke-jr_> and ask your caps
10:02 <spidey> or does it use coax
10:02 <luke-jr_> and that # is your LIMIT
10:02 <luke-jr_> now, subtract USAGE from LIMIT
10:02 <luke-jr_> and that's AVAILABLE
10:02 <luke-jr_> if that's near 0, you're flooded
10:02 <luke-jr_> and drown
10:03 <luke-jr_> and die a painful death
10:03 <Vanhayes> heh ok thx
10:03 <luke-jr_> and realize there is a heaven
10:03 <luke-jr_> but you missed it and stuff
10:03 <luke-jr_> while in the meantime
10:03 <luke-jr_> Luke is at home asleep
10:03 <luke-jr_> zzzzzzzz
10:03 <luke-jr_> sleep is bad, btw
10:03 <luke-jr_> goodnight
10:03 <Vanhayes> night
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10:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, isnt this about the shittiest thing I've ever heard
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/mix.wav <---- worst first recording I've ever made
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/mix.ogg <---- worst first recording I've ever made
10:47 <anjori> anjori@1[Desktop]$ wget http://www.davefancella.com/mix.ogg
10:47 <anjori> --01:48:58-- http://www.davefancella.com/mix.ogg
10:47 <anjori> => `mix.ogg'
10:47 <anjori> Resolving www.davefancella.com... 63.246.177.233
10:47 <anjori> Connecting to www.davefancella.com|63.246.177.233|:80... connected.
10:47 <anjori> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
10:47 <anjori> 01:49:00 ERROR 404: Not Found.
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, try again
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> looks like I did copy the wav instead of the ogg, haha
10:49 * Lucifer_arma usually checks his links before putting them here
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> z-man not here?
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11:18 * spidey yawns
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I just played pixel and this other guy, 1 v 2, and got to 42-0 before pixel left
11:23 <spidey> hah
11:23 * spidey is still setting up his sty server
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> not bad for being so out of practice
11:24 <spidey> piggy you there?
11:24 * Lucifer_arma thinks anjori's still throwing up after listening to that track
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:30 <spidey> yay
11:30 <spidey> it's done ;D
11:30 * spidey goes to test it ;s
11:30 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, come to U.S.Sty
11:34 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: nah, just watching a movie. i liked it, though. think it's fitting.
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12:11 <philippeqc> hi
12:13 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5810 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Removed some strange clamping raycasts for the smooth position correction.
12:16 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, anjori wrtlprnft guys gonna play in the itw tomorrow?
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.velocityaircraft.com/airabout.html
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably not, got work to do and I'm late to bed again
12:24 <spidey> i want that
12:24 <spidey> !
12:24 <philippeqc> lucifer, I hope I get to be half the father you are
12:24 <spidey> lol
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you hve to build it :)
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you hope to have 1.5 kids?
12:25 <spidey> hahah
12:25 * Lucifer_arma takes the compliment, but notes nobody here has independent verification of anything he's said about his family
12:25 <philippeqc> ok, not THAT half.
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that's a cool looking airplane, though
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> seats 4, 5 if the people in back are really friendly
12:26 <spidey> ya
12:26 <philippeqc> lucifer, I hope I get to be half the father you are pretending the be
12:26 <spidey> i wanna fly ;x
12:26 * Lucifer_arma is googling pilot's license now
12:26 <spidey> fly it*
12:26 <spidey> license hell
12:26 <spidey> i live in the country
12:26 <spidey> ;D
12:26 <spidey> who's gonna see me land a plane in the back yard?
12:26 <spidey> lol
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> The FAA says you must be at least 16 years old to fly solo with a student pilot certificate, and 17 years old to get a pilot's license
12:27 <spidey> i'm 16,17 next year
12:27 <spidey> ;x
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, the thing I liked the most about that particular kit was the range :)
12:28 <spidey> actually 17 next year O.o
12:28 <spidey> grrr
12:28 <spidey> 17 this year!
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> If you train part-time at a local airport, for example, plan on investing in the range of $3,000 to $5,000, with costs varying widely by region.
12:28 <spidey> train? i'd teach myself :D
12:29 <spidey> but
12:29 <spidey> i want that plane ;x
12:29 <philippeqc> 45K for the base model
12:30 <spidey> Aerodynamically advanced design with true 200+ mph cruise speeds.
12:31 <philippeqc> twice the price of my idea of an ok car seems resonable for a plane.
12:31 <philippeqc> does ebay sell second hand airplanes?
12:31 <spidey> lol
12:31 <spidey> not sure i would by a airplane off ebay
12:32 <spidey> you'll get flying then all of a sudden the left wing falls off
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> wasn't it 31k for the base model, 45 for the large one?
12:32 <philippeqc> i dont know where to check market value for second hand airplane, so ebay seems as logical as any other place
12:32 <spidey> no
12:32 <spidey> 45k base and 125k xl
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.velocityaircraft.com/airprice.html
12:33 <philippeqc> "philippeqc 45K for the base model"
12:33 <philippeqc> yes, that is exactly what I said
12:34 <philippeqc> o sorry, you where answering to luci
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.glassgoose.com/ <--- this one's pretty neat, too, but only a 2-seater
12:35 <spidey> hahah
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> the velocity plane isn't a whole lot more than the glass goose and it's a 4-seater
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, it never even occurred to me there might be kit planes
12:36 <spidey> mm
12:36 <spidey> where's the engine? O.o
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> but hwy not? There's kit cars and kit boats
12:36 <philippeqc> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cessna-172-with-180HP-Penn-Yann-Conversion_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63677QQihZ003QQitemZ130007889390QQrdZ1
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> top back
12:36 <philippeqc> 45k for a cesna
12:36 <spidey> ah
12:36 <philippeqc> 4 seat
12:36 <spidey> i don't like that one ;D
12:37 <philippeqc> dont need to assemble it, but its a 1969 model
12:37 <philippeqc> its called paint!
12:37 <spidey> no
12:37 <spidey> i mean the overall look :p
12:37 <spidey> it's called run philippeqc over with it!
12:38 <philippeqc> airplanes tend to be very light... and bad at backing ;)
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you flew that velocity plane, you'd be hearing people reporting UFOs everytime you flew
12:38 <spidey> hahahah
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> that is one cool looking plane
12:39 <philippeqc> wanna buy an airport in arizona, only 4,25M
12:39 <spidey> i'll pass
12:39 <spidey> that involves taxes ;x
12:40 <spidey> seeing as i live in the sticks,if i actually got a plane noone would know ;D
12:40 <philippeqc> looser! where will you park that airplane? How will you learn to fly if you dont own your very own airport?
12:40 <spidey> ok
12:40 <spidey> you buy the airport i'll buy the plane
12:41 <philippeqc> how comes there are no migs in eBay?
12:41 <spidey> so you don't buy one and try to own everyone?
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> 933 miles isn't terribly bad range
12:41 <philippeqc> this is not true capitalism! I'll complain to Bush
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I could get to phoenix from here and refuel
12:41 <philippeqc> plane != armament
12:41 * Lucifer_arma wonders what his straight-line distance to phoenix is
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> and it's fast, 230mph
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 933/230
12:42 <armabot> 933 / 230 = 4.05652174
12:43 <spidey> 4 hours?
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> so 4 hours between gas stops, I could be in New York in a day
12:43 <spidey> lol
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> drop a bomb over spidey's house on the way...
12:43 <philippeqc> the only way to be leet is inside a gyrocopter!
12:43 <philippeqc> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Command-Gyrocopter-Elite_W0QQitemZ130008450654QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:43 <spidey> um
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> that only seats one!
12:43 <spidey> i wouldn't fly that
12:43 <spidey> if my life depended on it
12:44 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: ropes and harness!
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> no man, I'm serious! I'm gonna hit my wife up tomorrow with this thing.
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> She keeps talking about wanting to buy a new car, and I keep telling her that's throwing money away
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> aha, but an airplane.....now that's a different story
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, then I need a place to park it
12:45 <philippeqc> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Velocity-XL-RG-Incl-Engine-Prop-and-Avionics_W0QQitemZ320008556214QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:46 <philippeqc> someone is selling a velocity nearly completed
12:46 <philippeqc> and its the luxury model
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> $4/ft^2 at the local airport
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe there's a cheaper place nearby
12:47 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTro@adsl-64-109-166-83.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
12:47 <philippeqc> is it ft^2 of the airplane figure, or the bounding box it need?
12:47 <DrJoeTron> hey there
12:47 <philippeqc> hi
12:47 <DrJoeTron> finally decided to get irc
12:47 <philippeqc> good for you
12:47 <philippeqc> ;)
12:48 <DrJoeTron> thanks >-;;,ccc3
12:48 <philippeqc> welcome to yet-another-way-of-not-doing-something-good-with-your-time
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> HANGARS: Draughon-Miller has 86 T-hangars - 20 just recently completed and ready for occupancy.
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> The monthly rates:
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> Single $125.00
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> Sm Twin $150.00
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> Lg Twin $190.00
12:48 <DrJoeTron> hells yeah
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: the bounding box it needs
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> those rates are in Temple, which is about an hour from here
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's about the same distance as Austin-Bergstrom
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> then there's insurance on the plane
12:49 <DrJoeTron> vicodin just kicked in XD
12:49 <philippeqc> you'd need a plane to go there to save some time ;)
12:49 <philippeqc> what is vicodin?
12:49 <DrJoeTron> a powerful pain killer
12:50 <DrJoeTron> hospitals give it to patients, and celebrities get addicted to it
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, there ain't no such thing as a quick insurance price, apparently
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> hi DrJoeTron
12:51 <DrJoeTron> hey lucifer
12:51 <DrJoeTron> wanna join my clam?
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> lick my ball, joe
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> hey joe, wanna buy an airplane?
12:51 <DrJoeTron> hehe
12:51 <DrJoeTron> what kind
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6401&highlight=
12:51 <DrJoeTron> i actually bought one and is being shipped soon
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to go, I let that airplane distract me for too long
12:52 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: so which one are you, patient or celebrities?
12:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5811 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Fixed NAN acceleration, put in some assertions that catch similar errors in the future.
12:53 <DrJoeTron> http://www.aeroacemods.com/aam/ is what i just bought, best 30 dollars i ever spent
12:53 <DrJoeTron> im a patient, I had my tonsils pulled and then had them rupture so i had to go and get surgery again.
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's all worth it when they give you the vicodin afterwards
12:54 <DrJoeTron> its liquid vicodin too
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> wow
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> so you can do shots of it?
12:54 <DrJoeTron> since i cant swallow
12:54 <DrJoeTron> i do 20 mls of it
12:54 <DrJoeTron> every 4 hours
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's it?
12:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah
12:55 * Lucifer_arma always does half-again what the prescribed dosage is--except on antibiotics
12:55 <DrJoeTron> if i do more, im completely gone
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that the point?
12:55 <spidey> joe
12:55 <DrJoeTron> not me, i like to function :P
12:55 <DrJoeTron> im super sensitive to anything i take
12:55 <spidey> wouldn't something like that blow away if a burst of wid came?
12:55 <philippeqc> ok, hope you get well soon
12:55 <DrJoeTron> i do too
12:56 <DrJoeTron> ive lost 15 lbs so far
12:56 <DrJoeTron> spidey, yes it will,
12:56 <DrJoeTron> its happened before
12:56 <spidey> lmao
12:56 <DrJoeTron> thats my second one
12:56 <DrJoeTron> its so cool, so its worth it
12:56 <DrJoeTron> im also looking at this helicopter
12:56 <DrJoeTron> http://www.hobbytron.com/ElectricRCMiniDragonflyHelicopter.html
12:56 <spidey> i might put the gfx card on hold ;D
12:56 <DrJoeTron> heh oh yeah?
13:01 <philippeqc> for 30$, do you get just the airplane or the controler too?
13:01 <DrJoeTron> controller too
13:02 <DrJoeTron> it flies for like 10-15 minutes
13:02 <DrJoeTron> charges ina half hour
13:02 <DrJoeTron> you can get like 20 charges on 6 AA battereies
13:02 <DrJoeTron> it charges through the controller
13:02 <philippeqc> ok
13:02 <DrJoeTron> its extremely easy to fly
13:02 <DrJoeTron> and its made to smash into walls
13:03 <philippeqc> lol
13:03 <DrJoeTron> since the propellers are in back
13:03 <philippeqc> if you stuck your finger in the propeller, would it just hurt or would you break some skin?
13:03 <DrJoeTron> it will just hurt :p
13:03 <DrJoeTron> it cuts grass on a full charge XD
13:03 <philippeqc> watching the clip of the helicopter
13:06 <DrJoeTron> the music is extra cheesey
13:07 <philippeqc> http://www.aeroacemods.com/aam/gallery/display_photo.asp?photo=/aam/gallery/photos/lexmodel18sm.JPG
13:07 <philippeqc> this is neat
13:07 <DrJoeTron> haha that is
13:07 <spidey> hahaah
13:07 <spidey> does that actually float?
13:07 <DrJoeTron> what
13:07 <spidey> that thing
13:08 <DrJoeTron> theres 2 things
13:08 <philippeqc> on lakes of asphalt, yes
13:08 <DrJoeTron> hehe
13:08 <spidey> what's the distance?
13:08 <philippeqc> 300 ft range, you wouldnt want to have your boat too far to start with
13:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:08 <DrJoeTron> yeah and if you go past 300ft you're in trouble
13:08 <DrJoeTron> i've done it
13:08 <spidey> O.o
13:08 <DrJoeTron> it goes to full throttle
13:09 <DrJoeTron> and does not stop
13:09 <spidey> hahahahhaa
13:09 <philippeqc> unless you build a small port and want to reenact Pearl Harbor
13:09 <DrJoeTron> haha yes
13:09 <spidey> mm
13:09 <philippeqc> lol, how fast does it move?
13:09 <spidey> what if
13:09 <DrJoeTron> they make 3 different frequencies
13:09 <DrJoeTron> it depends
13:09 <spidey> you bought another set of motors and added them
13:09 <philippeqc> full charge, no wind
13:09 <DrJoeTron> they are pretty fast little guys
13:09 <spidey> would it go x2 fast?
13:09 <DrJoeTron> they zip
13:09 <DrJoeTron> lets just say that
13:10 <philippeqc> can you run faster?
13:10 <philippeqc> bike faster?
13:10 <DrJoeTron> bike faster
13:10 <spidey> O.o
13:10 <philippeqc> ok
13:10 <DrJoeTron> they are very fun to play
13:10 <philippeqc> well, biking ~10 till the battery dies
13:10 <DrJoeTron> excellent in warehouses
13:10 <DrJoeTron> well good luck flying it in straight lines
13:10 <DrJoeTron> because that wont happen
13:10 <DrJoeTron> its really good for dog fighting
13:11 <DrJoeTron> and since you can have 3 different ones in the air
13:11 <DrJoeTron> its a lot of fun
13:11 <philippeqc> yes it must be
13:11 <philippeqc> dog fighting, do you need to pull a rope
13:11 <DrJoeTron> hehe nah
13:11 <DrJoeTron> oh
13:11 <DrJoeTron> one flimsy part is the tail
13:12 <DrJoeTron> but you can actually replace that with a cut out index card
13:12 <guru3> you and your little planes joe
13:12 <guru3> ><
13:12 <DrJoeTron> some one made a jet that can go 11mph an hour
13:12 <DrJoeTron> WATCH OUT
13:12 <DrJoeTron> hey tank
13:13 <spidey> jet?
13:13 <spidey> i want one of those O.o
13:14 <spidey> lol@ airhogs
13:14 <spidey> i remember those things you had to pump
13:15 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
13:15 <DrJoeTron> http://www.aeroacemods.com/aam/gallery/video/AA_JET1.mpg
13:15 <DrJoeTron> http://www.aeroacemods.com/aam/gallery/videos.asp this is one with the light mod installed
13:16 <DrJoeTron> erm
13:16 <DrJoeTron> well its on there
13:16 <DrJoeTron> <--uber dorkatron
13:17 <spidey> xine_play: demux failed to start
13:17 <spidey> xine: found demuxer plugin: ASF demux plugin
13:17 <spidey> xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
13:17 <spidey> :/
13:17 <DrJoeTron> you need quicktime
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5812 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5805 to 5811:
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed NAN acceleration, put in some assertions that catch similar errors in the future.
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13:18 <armabot> armagetronad: r5810 | z-man | 2006-07-23 12:13:15 +0200 (Sun, 23 Jul 2006) | 1 line
13:19 <DrJoeTron> any of you have Mario Kart DS?
13:19 <spidey> i have tuxkart
13:19 <spidey> that count?
13:19 <DrJoeTron> not enough
13:19 <philippeqc> is there a tuxkart?
13:19 <spidey> yes
13:19 <philippeqc> neat
13:20 <spidey> it comes with kde
13:20 <spidey> tuxkart(3d)
13:20 <philippeqc> neat
13:21 <philippeqc> what was the game where tux slide down a mountain?
13:21 <spidey> Ages 8 to 100
13:21 <spidey> LOL
13:21 <spidey> um
13:21 <DrJoeTron> tux sperlunker?
13:21 <spidey> it's a ice game?
13:21 <philippeqc> yes
13:21 <spidey> like ice makes him faster
13:21 <spidey> he has to eat fish
13:21 <philippeqc> yes
13:21 <spidey> it's planet pengiun racer
13:22 <philippeqc> what is the original game+
13:22 <philippeqc> ok found it ppracer is the name here
13:22 <spidey> i downloaded blob wars
13:22 <spidey> lol
13:23 <DrJoeTron> spidey did you checkout warrock?
13:23 <spidey> ?
13:23 <DrJoeTron> www.warrock.net
13:23 <anjori> the original name was Tux Racer
13:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i don't have windows ;x
13:24 <DrJoeTron> when did that happen
13:24 <spidey> well i do,but i be damned if i'm playing a game looking up at that monitor
13:24 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.15-25-386 (root@mepis-party) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 19 00:05:53 EDT 2006
13:24 <spidey> it's happened for awhile now
13:24 <spidey> :p
13:24 <DrJoeTron> ha
13:25 <spidey> though,i've only got a 12gig drive here :/
13:25 <DrJoeTron> ouch
13:25 <DrJoeTron> the new lobster cage is gonna be on a 20 gig
13:25 <spidey> i'm putting windows on the 12 gig and partitioning the 111gig for nix
13:25 <spidey> gonna dual boot them
13:26 <DrJoeTron> that sounds like suicide :D
13:26 <spidey> nah
13:26 <DrJoeTron> well wait
13:26 <DrJoeTron> how many games do you play
13:26 <DrJoeTron> that are windows based
13:26 <spidey> tron swat4 halo
13:26 <spidey> maybe this game too
13:26 <DrJoeTron> heh
13:26 <DrJoeTron> what about virtual memory
13:26 <DrJoeTron> you like that right? :D
13:26 <spidey> ....
13:27 <spidey> pagefile?
13:27 <spidey> i don't use that stuff
13:27 <DrJoeTron> you'll run out fast with those games
13:27 <DrJoeTron> on a 12 gig
13:27 <DrJoeTron> why dont you partition 20 on the 112
13:27 <DrJoeTron> for windows
13:27 <spidey> who said i installed them on the 12 gig?
13:27 <DrJoeTron> well if its windows
13:28 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure it wont work with linux
13:28 <spidey> what are you talking about!?!?!
13:28 <DrJoeTron> screw it!
13:28 <spidey> look
13:28 <spidey> windows 12 gig
13:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:28 <spidey> linux 30 gig
13:28 <spidey> partitioned off the 111gig
13:28 <spidey> that leave me another fat32 drive
13:28 <spidey> !!!!!
13:28 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:28 <DrJoeTron> fat32
13:29 <guru3> at least it's not skinny32
13:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:29 <spidey> llol
13:29 <DrJoeTron> you guys hear about amd thinking about buying ati?
13:29 <spidey> i just gotta get unlazy first
13:30 * spidey wants a dual core gfx card ;x
13:30 <DrJoeTron> hehe
13:30 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah speaking of
13:30 <spidey> joe
13:30 <spidey> buy me one
13:30 <DrJoeTron> since intel came out with that new awesome cpu
13:30 <DrJoeTron> amd is cutting all of there prices starting this week i beleive
13:30 <DrJoeTron> cant man
13:30 <DrJoeTron> i spent my money on that plane
13:30 <spidey> LOL
13:31 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
13:31 <spidey> as am i ;x
13:31 <spidey> now shhh
13:31 <spidey> i'ma play blob wars
13:33 <DrJoeTron> i'ma play mario kart
13:33 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
13:33 <DrJoeTron> nah, i got instabored
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13:37 <spidey> awe!
13:37 <spidey> i got blown into little blob peices
13:37 <spidey> :<
13:39 <DrJoeTron> way to die!
13:39 * spidey goes back to the repository to see what else he can find
13:40 <spidey> i have bzflag
13:40 <spidey> anyone wanna play?
13:40 <spidey> ;x
13:40 <DrJoeTron> god no
13:40 <guru3> tron players united already went thru a bzflag fad
13:40 <guru3> about 2 years ago
13:40 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:40 <spidey> ?
13:40 <DrJoeTron> i made the post
13:40 <DrJoeTron> we all did bzflag
13:41 <spidey> lol
13:41 <spidey> i suck at it :<
13:41 * anjori does, too
13:41 <DrJoeTron> and you can never be good at it
13:41 <spidey> [NP]Tangent, killed me all the time :/
13:41 <DrJoeTron> becayse its bzflag
13:41 <DrJoeTron> tank, how many other games has tron players united for?
13:41 <DrJoeTron> we have bzflag, and gunbound
13:42 <guru3> the one with the ships
13:42 <guru3> i forget the name
13:42 <spidey> battleship?
13:42 <DrJoeTron> i think i missed that boat
13:42 <guru3> started with a w
13:42 <DrJoeTron> ...no pun intended
13:42 <guru3> spaceships
13:42 <guru3> so no pun present
13:42 <DrJoeTron> pj
13:42 <DrJoeTron> oh*
13:42 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:42 <DrJoeTron> ships...
13:42 <guru3> warning forever
13:42 <guru3> that's it
13:42 <DrJoeTron> haha really?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> that was online?
13:43 <guru3> no
13:43 <guru3> but we still all played it
13:43 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
13:43 <DrJoeTron> yeah i remember playing that
13:43 <DrJoeTron> i wish grid wars caught on :/
13:44 <DrJoeTron> and i played counter-strike:source with sabarai once over a voip
13:44 <DrJoeTron> that was awkward
13:44 <spidey> joe
13:44 <DrJoeTron> spidey
13:44 <spidey> got xbox?
13:44 <DrJoeTron> nope
13:44 <spidey> :/
13:44 <spidey> we could have played xbox live!
13:44 <DrJoeTron> get a ds
13:44 <DrJoeTron> we can play metroid prime hunters
13:44 <DrJoeTron> or tetris
13:44 <spidey> wasn't till recently i realized icould plug it into my router
13:44 <spidey> ;X
13:44 <DrJoeTron> or mario kart
13:45 <DrJoeTron> those are the wifi games i have
13:45 <spidey> i had a gamecube
13:45 <spidey> uncle lost it
13:45 <spidey> bastard
13:45 <DrJoeTron> heh
13:45 <spidey> i had a 19' tv
13:45 <spidey> he lost that to
13:45 <spidey> along with my dvd player
13:45 <DrJoeTron> i have hooked up
13:45 <spidey> tons of dvd's
13:45 <spidey> :<
13:45 <DrJoeTron> ps2, n64, and dreamcast
13:46 <DrJoeTron> thats whats hooked up
13:46 <spidey> i had a ps2 once too
13:46 <spidey> brother traded it for a ounce of oregano
13:46 <spidey> stupid fuck
13:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:46 <spidey> only things i got now are
13:47 <spidey> super nentindos,sega genesis, regular nentindo
13:47 <spidey> i got a atari somewhere
13:47 <DrJoeTron> get a ds :D
13:47 <spidey> buy me one ;x
13:47 <DrJoeTron> things i have all together are many
13:48 <spidey> i've had a total of 3 xbox's
13:48 <spidey> 2 got destroyed
13:48 <spidey> 1 got fried
13:48 <DrJoeTron> but i dont hook them up because i have a pc
13:48 <DrJoeTron> that emulates them
13:48 <DrJoeTron> so im cool
13:48 <DrJoeTron> but man
13:48 <DrJoeTron> so many things i had
13:48 <DrJoeTron> ha(d)ve)
13:48 <spidey> ya
13:49 <spidey> i've lost thousands of dollars of stuff due to stupid fuckin family people
13:49 <spidey> i hate 'em
13:49 <DrJoeTron> and i cant connect to anyone on mariokart today
13:49 <spidey> but i don't tell them that
13:49 <DrJoeTron> start your own :p
13:49 <spidey> own what?
13:49 <DrJoeTron> family :D
13:49 <spidey> hahahahah
13:52 <DrJoeTron> curse you raisquirel!!
13:53 <DrJoeTron> i got blue shelled before the finish line :/
13:53 <spidey> lol
13:56 <spidey> wow
13:56 <spidey> ubuntus armagetron package is version 2.7.0 O.o
13:57 <DrJoeTron> ko
13:57 <spidey> hey joe, what did you say a good l2 cache size is?
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14:01 * spidey pokes MaZuffeR
14:02 <spidey> brainfuck is a programming language!?
14:08 <philippeqc> anybody knows if libxml does x-path?
14:08 <philippeqc> I have elements that can refer to other elements, both I want to be able to refer to elements coming AFTER / LATER in the file.
14:10 <spidey> hahaha
14:10 <spidey> i love "blast"
14:11 <spidey> i just blew a hole in philippeqc's name lx
14:11 <spidey> ;x
14:11 <philippeqc> where ?
14:11 <spidey> apt-get install blast
14:11 <spidey> open terminal type "blast" click somewhere on the screen
14:11 <philippeqc> and apt-get somehow blew a hole in my name=
14:11 <spidey> and it puts a hole through it
14:12 <philippeqc> lol
14:12 <philippeqc> ok
14:12 <DrJoeTron> a good cache size?
14:12 <DrJoeTron> heck if i know
14:12 <spidey> i got 512kb ;x
14:12 <DrJoeTron> that should be fine
14:12 <philippeqc> good cache size, what ever you can affort to buy
14:12 <DrJoeTron> see phili knows
14:13 <spidey> lahl
14:13 <philippeqc> ask me for memory and cpu speed now ;)
14:13 <DrJoeTron> im taking the united states citizen test
14:13 <DrJoeTron> well, im reading it to someone
14:13 <DrJoeTron> see if they pass
14:13 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_citizenship_test
14:16 <philippeqc> spidey, like many things computer wise, often more is better, but also it is more give you less and less gain for each step.
14:16 <DrJoeTron> spidey
14:16 <DrJoeTron> wait to buy a processor
14:17 <philippeqc> so doubling the cache size might give you 20% improvement, and doubling again might add like 8% and doubling again might add another 1.3%
14:17 <DrJoeTron> amd is dropping there prices this week
14:17 <DrJoeTron> so wait
14:17 <philippeqc> of course, the figures are all fake
14:17 <spidey> ...
14:17 <spidey> i'm not doing anything
14:17 <DrJoeTron> athlon 64 3200+'s are going to be like 80 bucks
14:18 <philippeqc> dont buy numbers, buy a "system". I'm not talking about a Dell or a Compaq, but rather cpu X with motherboard Y. the combinaison often will play a bigger role than the actual performance of individual components.
14:19 <DrJoeTron> i prefer just ordering parts
14:20 <DrJoeTron> i cant wait for the cheap cpu's
14:20 <philippeqc> then you have to know what combines well with what
14:20 <philippeqc> some small shop actually are good at that.
14:20 <DrJoeTron> amd+asus = yumm
14:20 <philippeqc> find who they are, find what they sell, buy those peices assembled from them, or as single items
14:21 <DrJoeTron> dorito tortilla chip + dell motherboard = killer graphics :p
14:21 <philippeqc> lay back on the pain killers Dr
14:22 <DrJoeTron> hey hey
14:23 <DrJoeTron> dont knock it till you try it
14:23 <DrJoeTron> but through my experience
14:23 <DrJoeTron> amd processors go grand with asus motherboards
14:23 <philippeqc> ok
14:24 <philippeqc> but doritos and dell might not be worth buying stocks.
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hey, a chip is a chip XD
14:25 <philippeqc> Hi mr the esquimau, I have this very nice offer on a freezer here just for you.
14:26 * spidey runs off to play conquest
14:27 <spidey> Connecting to host: localhost, port 1701
14:27 <spidey> connect: Connection refused
14:27 <spidey> Cannot connect to host localhost:1701
14:27 <spidey> Is there a conquestd server running there?
14:27 <spidey> O.o
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14:35 <TitsnAss> yo
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14:38 <DrJoeTron> bye?
14:39 <DrJoeTron> heh
14:57 * DrJoeTron :D
15:00 <DrJoeTron> oh god
15:00 <DrJoeTron> heath ledger might be joker in the new batman movie
15:00 <spidey> ?
15:00 <spidey> lol
15:01 <spidey> joe's such a kid
15:01 <spidey> ;D
15:01 <DrJoeTron> hey, im older than you : mista
15:01 <DrJoeTron> but why heath ledger!?
15:03 <spidey> age doesn't matter miss
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15:47 * DrJoeTron needs more vicodin
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15:59 <spidey> send me some
15:59 <spidey> fucker
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16:03 * spidey pokes madmax|pt
16:03 <madmax|pt> sit in the corner spidey
16:03 <spidey> no!
16:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:04 <DrJoeTron> thank you vicodin for making my day more cheery :D
16:04 <spidey> send
16:04 <spidey> me
16:04 <spidey> some
16:04 <spidey> fucker
16:06 <DrJoeTron> no
16:06 <DrJoeTron> i needs it
16:06 <DrJoeTron> im currently lookin up apartments with a friend
16:06 <DrJoeTron> so i can start working
16:12 <spidey> joe = the sux
16:12 <spidey> wtf won't this client let me type teh!
16:12 <spidey> ,,
16:12 <spidey> mm
16:12 <spidey> the
16:12 <spidey> teh!
16:12 <spidey> O.o
16:12 <spidey> weird
16:13 <spidey> joe do you play warrock?
16:14 <DrJoeTron> not much
16:14 <DrJoeTron> i have battlefield 2
16:14 <DrJoeTron> so
16:14 <spidey> what's it like? O.o
16:14 <DrJoeTron> battlefield 2
16:14 <DrJoeTron> but much more free
16:15 <DrJoeTron> and faster load times
16:15 <DrJoeTron> you drive vehicles and fly helicopters and shit
16:15 <spidey> mm
16:15 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5813 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (11 files in 4 dirs): support zone influence
16:15 <spidey> what kinda ram/gfx i need?
16:15 <DrJoeTron> check the specs
16:16 <DrJoeTron> just remember its in beta
16:16 <DrJoeTron> so it plays likea beta
16:16 <DrJoeTron> always join the austin servers i guess
16:17 <DrJoeTron> first time i installed i crashed to the desktop
16:17 <spidey> lol
16:17 <DrJoeTron> but after i restarted it was ok
16:17 <DrJoeTron> its just sluggish to play
16:17 <DrJoeTron> but its got lots of potential
16:17 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
16:17 <DrJoeTron> its pretty much battlefield 2
16:18 <DrJoeTron> but free, faster load times, and little clunky
16:18 <DrJoeTron> www.warrock.net
16:18 <DrJoeTron> http://www.warrock.net/game_guide/system_requirements.php
16:19 <spidey> wow
16:20 <spidey> the only thing i meet there is the cpu
16:20 <spidey> O.o
16:20 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
16:20 <spidey> the hdd to
16:20 <spidey> but that's all
16:20 <spidey> :(
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i rock those settings :P
16:21 <spidey> you suck harry ass to :>
16:21 <philippeqc> is it a paying game?
16:21 <DrJoeTron> totally free
16:21 <DrJoeTron> its going to stay free
16:21 <philippeqc> what info do they need for the registration?
16:21 <DrJoeTron> uh...
16:21 <spidey> email
16:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:21 <DrJoeTron> stuff like that
16:21 <DrJoeTron> its in beta stage right now
16:21 <spidey> email, user/pass
16:21 <spidey> that's it
16:22 <spidey> secret question/answer to
16:22 <philippeqc> ok
16:22 <DrJoeTron> blood type
16:22 <DrJoeTron> gender
16:22 <spidey> haha
16:22 <DrJoeTron> sexual backround
16:22 <DrJoeTron> nothing big
16:23 <philippeqc> looks nice, wonders how come its free... suspicious about "too good to be true"
16:23 <spidey> ok guys i'ma let you in on a secret
16:23 <DrJoeTron> its because its a beta
16:23 <DrJoeTron> and you can pay for it
16:23 <DrJoeTron> you can buy items
16:23 <philippeqc> so the non beta wont be free
16:23 <philippeqc> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
16:23 <spidey> don't put your pc's under 100lb's of shit stacked ontop
16:23 <DrJoeTron> its like gunbound with its items
16:23 <DrJoeTron> no they said it will satay free
16:23 <philippeqc> its a "but you need to buy equipment" free ;)
16:24 <DrJoeTron> no you get equipment
16:24 <DrJoeTron> its just you CAN buy stuff
16:24 <philippeqc> buy better equipement
16:24 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:24 <philippeqc> ok
16:24 <Compn1> buy upgrades
16:25 <philippeqc> ok
16:25 <Compn1> so you have a pistol , and enemy has automatic weapons ;p
16:25 <Compn1> good luck
16:25 <spidey> and for this pistol it'll be $4, for this rifle it'll be $8,for this tank it'll be $10 and this here,my this here beautiful air craft is $25
16:26 <DrJoeTron> nope
16:26 <DrJoeTron> you have mp5's and assault rifles
16:26 <DrJoeTron> www.warrock.net
16:26 <Compn1> i dont have any pc capable of modern gaming :)
16:26 <DrJoeTron> hehe
16:26 <Compn1> 1ghz mac and a 900mhz amd is the best i have currently
16:27 <Compn1> havent had any reason to upgrade, no great new games...
16:27 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
16:27 * Compn1 upgraded for doom and upgraded again for quake1
16:27 <DrJoeTron> comp i have a game for you
16:27 <Compn1> wassat?
16:28 <spidey> Minimum Specifications
16:28 <spidey> CPU Pentium 3, 800 Mhz
16:28 <spidey> RAM 512MB or better
16:28 <spidey> Graphics Radeon 8500LE or Geforce MX400 or better
16:28 <spidey> OS Windows ME, 2000, or XP
16:28 <spidey> Hard Drive 800 MB
16:28 <spidey> i only meet the harddrive and cpu :<
16:28 <DrJoeTron> hehe
16:28 * philippeqc has more fun coding game than playing game
16:28 <Compn1> oh pent3 800mhz
16:28 <DrJoeTron> compn1 have you ever heard of geometry wars?
16:28 <Compn1> i thought it said 3,800mhz (3.8ghz)
16:28 <Compn1> hehe
16:28 <philippeqc> expect now, I'm breaking my head on a fundamental problem
16:29 <Compn1> dont think i've heard of geometry wars
16:29 <DrJoeTron> ok
16:29 <DrJoeTron> its a vector shooter
16:29 <philippeqc> it is VERY nice
16:29 <DrJoeTron> there is a pc and mac version
16:29 <DrJoeTron> its very fun
16:29 <DrJoeTron> bright colors
16:29 <DrJoeTron> want a link?
16:29 <philippeqc> but a bit dependant on a good cpu. or rather, it gets easier if you have a lesser machine ;)
16:30 <DrJoeTron> hehe
16:30 <DrJoeTron> http://www.incitti.com/Blitz/ click gridwars
16:30 <DrJoeTron> this game has a permanent home on my hard drive
16:31 <philippeqc> if it slows down too much, change the "background grid", that helped on my gf's computer, and so did playing with a lower resolution but keeping the real arena
16:31 <DrJoeTron> sometimes i put it tv-out and playit
16:31 <DrJoeTron> the colors!
16:31 <DrJoeTron> wheee
16:31 * DrJoeTron wheees
16:31 <spidey> !
16:32 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, hope ya like it
16:32 <DrJoeTron> it gets hard really really fast
16:32 <DrJoeTron> ....giggity
16:33 <Compn1> hmm
16:33 <philippeqc> you start to reach the top list when you are able to survive with your ships for ~20 minutes ;)
16:33 <Compn1> i will try it
16:33 <Compn1> thanks for the reccomendation DrJoeTron
16:34 <DrJoeTron> no problem
16:34 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:34 <DrJoeTron> hey spidey
16:34 <DrJoeTron> you like racing games?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> i got a free one
16:34 <DrJoeTron> i posted this on the boards a while back
16:34 <philippeqc> what?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> TrackMania Nation
16:34 <DrJoeTron> s
16:35 <DrJoeTron> it's like racing on hot wheels tracks
16:35 <DrJoeTron> people build tracks with jumps, loops, cork screws, banks,
16:35 <spidey> linux?
16:35 <DrJoeTron> and you race'em
16:35 <DrJoeTron> windows
16:35 <DrJoeTron> its 100megs
16:35 <spidey> can't play it :)
16:36 <spidey> not yet anyways
16:36 <DrJoeTron> WINDOWS 98/ME/2000/XP - PENTIUM 2 450Mhz - RAM 64MB - 4X CDROM - DX9 COMPATIBLE 3D VIDEO CARD (16MB RAM) - 16 BITS SOUND CARD - 300MB ON HARDDRIVE - 56K MODEM FOR INTERNET GAMING
16:36 <spidey> is it 2d?
16:36 <DrJoeTron> 3d
16:37 <DrJoeTron> www.trackmanianations.com
16:37 <spidey> no more links ;D
16:37 <spidey> i've got more tabs open than i can count
16:37 <DrJoeTron> ;D take it
16:37 <guru3> how do you do pms in tron?
16:37 * guru3 can't remember :(
16:37 <DrJoeTron> its /msg
16:37 <spidey> /msg usernmae
16:37 <spidey> /msg DrJoeTron joo sux@
16:37 <DrJoeTron> dont have to type the full name
16:37 <spidey> 'er
16:37 <guru3> right o
16:38 <guru3> knew it was something like that
16:38 <DrJoeTron> or you would just type /msg Dr joo usx@
16:38 <spidey> bleh
16:39 <spidey> why in the hell did i put all this shit ontop of the computers
16:39 <spidey> at the bottum,i have 2 computers, then a stereo, then 2 speakers, then a webcam to the side of it, the modem and router to, the a 17' lcd ontop of the speakers
16:40 <Compn1> DrJoeTron : neat game, i gotta figure better controls
16:40 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
16:40 <DrJoeTron> i use a game pad personaly
16:40 <DrJoeTron> glad ya like it
16:40 <DrJoeTron> watch out for the black holes
16:40 <DrJoeTron> if they link
16:40 <DrJoeTron> you're doomec
16:40 <Compn1> spidey : you using opera?
16:40 <DrJoeTron> d
16:40 <Compn1> opera is better than firefox ;p
16:40 <spidey> firefox
16:40 <spidey> firefox pwns opera
16:40 <spidey> !
16:41 <Compn1> firefox is slow as hell
16:41 <spidey> not
16:41 <DrJoeTron> it was
16:41 <spidey> your connection just sucks ass
16:41 <Compn1> haha
16:41 <philippeqc> wow, I have these kick as zones with complex effect and all
16:41 <Compn1> philippeqc : on your test server?
16:41 <philippeqc> the only prob is that it crash before second round start
16:42 <DrJoeTron> oh god we aren't doing opera vs firefox
16:42 <DrJoeTron> phili whats your server?
16:42 <philippeqc> if you read the second line, you
16:42 <philippeqc> you'd see why there isnt a server up
16:42 <DrJoeTron> whats its name in advance :p
16:42 <DrJoeTron> when it y'know, DOES go up?
16:43 <philippeqc> IIRC: "zone v2 test server"
16:43 <DrJoeTron> ah
16:43 <philippeqc> when that will be fixed.
16:43 <philippeqc> I'd need to bounce some idea off z-man about that bug
16:44 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ping
16:44 <Compn1> zones go thru wallsin pigsty?
16:44 <philippeqc> yes
16:45 <spidey> hahahah
16:45 <spidey> they got this rc car
16:46 <spidey> hit 65+
16:46 <spidey> i want ;x
16:46 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
16:46 <DrJoeTron> i saw that
16:48 <spidey> i want that boat
16:48 <spidey> i live close to the tn river so that'd own
16:53 <DrJoeTron> i want that hydrofoam craft
16:53 <DrJoeTron> that goes over land water and air
16:53 <DrJoeTron> that its too cool
16:54 <spidey> O.o
16:54 <DrJoeTron> its on airhogs main site
16:54 <DrJoeTron> its an annoying video
16:54 <DrJoeTron> but very cool to look at
16:55 <spidey> #g 25meters in feet
16:55 <armabot> 25 meters = 82.0209974 feet
16:55 <spidey> wow
16:55 <DrJoeTron> hmm
16:55 <spidey> that humvee rc thing shoots bbs that far
16:55 <spidey> lol
16:56 <DrJoeTron> #g 16664400minutes in years
16:56 <armabot> 16,664,400 minutes = 31.684455 years
16:56 <DrJoeTron> bwahaha
16:56 <spidey> lol
16:56 <DrJoeTron> that guy isnt comming in my server anytime soon
16:58 <DrJoeTron> #g 31.684455years in days
16:58 <armabot> 31.684455 years = 11,572.5 days
16:58 <DrJoeTron> ooh
17:00 <DrJoeTron> so is this how it always is on irc
17:01 <DrJoeTron> i dig it :d
17:03 <spidey> lol
17:07 <DrJoeTron> its like everyone who i would never want to talk to, arent here
17:07 <DrJoeTron> cept for spidey
17:07 <DrJoeTron> you smell
17:08 <spidey> :<
17:08 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
17:08 <spidey> damn prawns
17:08 <DrJoeTron> robster craws
17:08 <spidey> prawns!
17:09 <DrJoeTron> alright im gonna get some shut eye
17:09 <DrJoeTron> ta
17:10 <spidey> cya
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17:24 <madmax|pt> the shooting map is cool
17:45 <spidey> #g 23fps in mph
17:45 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:45 <spidey> #g 23ft/sec in mph
17:45 <armabot> 23 (feet / second) = 15.6818182 mph
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18:04 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: pong
18:11 <wrtlprnft> ping time between me and philippeqc seems to be about 6,000,000ms
18:11 <spidey> lmao
18:11 <wrtlprnft> try to play arma like that
18:12 <Compn1> philippeqc is ocming back
18:12 <Compn1> he was on pigsty
18:12 <philippeqc> hehe
18:12 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft
18:12 <philippeqc> got a design problem, thought you or z-man could help
18:13 <philippeqc> zones are deleted from the grid, and I store a collection on the side, and when I clean my collection, you can expect that a crash occurs
18:13 <philippeqc> my collection holds shared_ptr<zZone>
18:14 <wrtlprnft> don't delete the zone but just flag it disabled?
18:14 <wrtlprnft> and delete on round end
18:14 <wrtlprnft> and never ever delete the contents of a shared_ptr
18:14 <philippeqc> but then my collection crash when I try to clean it up
18:14 <wrtlprnft> it's guaranteed to crash
18:15 <wrtlprnft> you have to delete the collection, of course
18:15 <philippeqc> I just clean my collection, shared_ptr goes out of scope, and the last one tries to delete the zone, which was collected by the grid
18:15 <wrtlprnft> once the last stored shared_ptr is gone its contents will be deleted automatically
18:15 <wrtlprnft> brb supper
18:16 <philippeqc> tried to delete my collection BEFORE the grid's clean up, then the last shared_ptr goes out of scope, and it delete the zone, then the crash occurs in the grid big clean up
18:16 <philippeqc> ok
18:16 <groundpig> i have to investigate the zone cleanup sometime for the pig sty code
18:17 <philippeqc> they are eNetGameObject, and everything is cleared at round end (should they still be there)
18:18 <groundpig> should i be able to remove them from the game before the round ends?
18:18 <philippeqc> yes I think so
18:18 <groundpig> by default, they just stick around right?
18:18 <philippeqc> eNetGameObject has a method called RemoveFromGame()
18:19 <groundpig> i will give that a try
18:19 <philippeqc> yes, and keep on moving toward the infinite
18:19 <groundpig> maybe thats why spidey's server blew up
18:19 <philippeqc> ????????????????
18:19 <philippeqc> lol
18:19 <groundpig> :B)
18:19 <spidey> it blew up? O.o
18:20 <spidey> hahaha
18:20 <spidey> my webhosts are cool
18:20 <spidey> (12:19:21) xxx_federation_force_xxx: ya can have any stuffs in this server. the guys have already uploaded trogans, hacking tools and stuffs like that
18:20 <philippeqc> too many zones shooted around, one finally hit an Internet host
18:20 <spidey> haha
18:20 <groundpig> the odd lag / timeout thing that happened last night
18:20 <philippeqc> gonna go eat too
18:20 <groundpig> spidey: is the pig sty config working better?
18:21 <groundpig> cya
18:22 <spidey> yes
18:22 <spidey> @piggy
18:23 <groundpig> i'm planning on looking at the code tonight to make it more stable, hopefully that will solve the problem we saw last night
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18:39 <spidey> luke-jr_, ?
18:47 <wrtlprnft> back
18:47 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: don't delete something you put into a shared_ptr manually, ever
18:48 <wrtlprnft> you can use some other smart pointer that doesn't own its stuff. tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR would be one methinks
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18:51 <Nixda557> test
18:52 <spidey> test
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18:52 <spidey> lol?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> that was me
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19:08 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
19:09 <wrtlprnft> *insert rant about people using "<nick>, <message>" instead of "<nick>: <message>"
19:09 <wrtlprnft> here*
19:09 <spidey> live with it
19:10 <wrtlprnft> then live with me being an idiot and writing in color all the time
19:10 <wrtlprnft> actually, i could and should get used to this
19:10 <spidey> lol
19:11 <wrtlprnft> lol^3
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19:14 <philippeqc> back
19:14 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong
19:15 <philippeqc> back
19:16 <philippeqc> tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR is our local type of smart pointer?
19:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: they'll go out of business... trojans & hacking tools are probably violation of their ISP's ToS =p
19:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, try to ssh fallin-angels.com
19:16 <spidey> plzkthnx
19:16 <luke-jr_> ok
19:16 <luke-jr_> disable
19:16 <luke-jr_> d
19:16 <spidey> :/
19:16 <philippeqc> I'll have a look, but its a bit sad, seeing I have a big system with lots of shared_ptr to many objects, and one of them will be a tJUST_CONTROLED_PTR ;)
19:17 <groundpig> :B)
19:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: they kick you off?
19:17 <spidey> no
19:17 <spidey> well
19:18 <spidey> they took ssh
19:18 <spidey> but i'm talking to one of the admins about it
19:18 <luke-jr_> IIRC, you were getting rid of the site... what's left? =p
19:18 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/
19:18 <spidey> i changed it :>
19:18 <luke-jr_> Flash sucks
19:18 <spidey> lol
19:19 <philippeqc> yeah, Flash creates lots of vacuum
19:19 <luke-jr_> "We have caught 0 shameful hackers."
19:19 <luke-jr_> wtf
19:19 <groundpig> so i guess i need a lesson in the life cycle of game objects, i'll have to look into those in more detail
19:19 <groundpig> creating a zone - just calling new, which adds to the game lists, and syncs across network
19:20 <luke-jr_> yes
19:20 <luke-jr_> not all servers have unlimited RAM
19:20 <luke-jr_> ;P
19:20 <luke-jr_> I think you're supposed to use tNEW
19:20 <luke-jr_> but what would I know
19:20 <groundpig> could be :b)
19:20 <philippeqc> tNEW I think is a macro, in debug mode, it gives you more, in normal mode, it maps to new
19:21 <luke-jr_> which means it should be tNEW =p
19:21 <philippeqc> if my understanding is correct
19:21 <groundpig> but just calling RemoveFromGame() or RemoveFromList() when I want to get rid of a zone crashes the server immediately
19:21 <groundpig> so i guess the question is, if i have a game object that is syncing across the network, how do i get rid of it
19:22 <groundpig> the other object that is temporary like that is the gExplosion
19:22 <luke-jr_> don't winzones die when they collapse?
19:22 <luke-jr_> in fact
19:22 <luke-jr_> if you set your growth to negative
19:22 <luke-jr_> it will shrink and then delete itself...
19:22 <groundpig> i think they just go to 0 radius
19:22 <groundpig> but stick around
19:22 <luke-jr_> when they hit 0, they delete
19:22 <luke-jr_> I remember seeing code for that
19:23 <philippeqc> gExplosion can be a eGameObject. I know gWinZone are eNetGameObject.
19:23 <groundpig> does returning (true) in Timestep cause a delete?
19:23 <groundpig> because the zone does return (true) in Timestep when it shrinks to 0
19:23 <luke-jr_> // kill this zone if it shrunk down to zero radius
19:23 <luke-jr_> if ( GetExpansionSpeed() < 0 && GetRadius() <= 0 )
19:23 <luke-jr_> {
19:23 <luke-jr_> OnVanish();
19:23 <luke-jr_> return true;
19:23 <luke-jr_> }
19:23 <luke-jr_> maybe
19:24 <groundpig> but i think it still sticks around (because all my zones are doing the same thing as that)
19:24 <luke-jr_> instead of deleting them, try to set expansion and radius to negative?
19:24 <groundpig> philippeqc: you're right about that gExplosion, not a net object
19:25 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: we have lots of different own pointer types
19:25 <philippeqc> eNetGameObject are a bit more special (even thought they are child of eGameObject)
19:26 <groundpig> luke-jr_: that would make the zones disappear from the map, but it isn't solving the memory usage issue
19:26 <wrtlprnft> but at the moment you create an auto_ptr or shared_ptr you hand over ownership
19:26 <luke-jr_> groundpig: maybe
19:27 <luke-jr_> perhaps you need to set expansion to negative, but keep radius positive
19:27 <philippeqc> i think radius < 0 has more effect than just making it invisible
19:27 <luke-jr_> then, the clients will do their own deletion
19:27 <luke-jr_> because they will do their own shrink and delete
19:27 <groundpig> oh really, hadn't thought about it that way
19:27 <luke-jr_> I suggest replacing delete code with expansion=-1
19:27 <luke-jr_> and try that for a bit
19:28 <luke-jr_> should I make the change on spidey's server or wait for a patch?
19:28 * groundpig switches to IDE *
19:28 <groundpig> i'll try it quick
19:28 <luke-jr_> you can't test memory tho =p
19:29 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the main list of game objects, what type of safe pointers is use there?
19:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: dunno, but apparently one that owns its stuff
19:29 <philippeqc> ;)
19:30 <luke-jr_> groundpig: when are you going to subclass gZone properly?
19:31 <groundpig> i need to think about that some more
19:31 <groundpig> many of the zones i have share the same properties, but different ones enabled for different types
19:32 <luke-jr_> make a gPigZone w/ common stuff and subclass that =p
19:32 <luke-jr_> ok, so I should wait for a patch?
19:32 <groundpig> up to you, i'm changing my server now to see if it looks OK
19:33 <luke-jr_> ok, I'll wait
19:33 <luke-jr_> no point in both of us coding it
19:35 <philippeqc> weird. changed my safe ptr to zones for a tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR, it worked on the first run, and after that, the zones only existed in the minimap
19:35 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:36 <philippeqc> yes
19:37 <groundpig> oddly enough, that didn't remove them from the minmap
19:38 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:38 <wrtlprnft> the minimap uses another method to get to the zones
19:38 <wrtlprnft> look at the code for it
19:38 <groundpig> ok
19:38 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5814 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): zoneInfluence should now support 3 types of influences
19:38 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: but deleting a zone should remove it from the minimap
19:39 <wrtlprnft> because I didn't find another way to access them I made the zones put themselves into their own deque and remove themselves on delete
19:39 <groundpig> well i have to mow my lawn - bbl
19:39 <wrtlprnft> looks like the actual zone destructor isn't called
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19:46 <luke-jr_> groundpig: make sure the expansion is not only negative, but small enough to take more than 1 frame
19:47 <luke-jr_> it will take a frame for the clients to be sync'd with the new value
19:47 <luke-jr_> and be sure the referense point is set
19:47 <wrtlprnft> either the zones don't get deleted or they exist multiple times
19:47 <groundpig> //Don't allow going outside, kill it
19:47 <groundpig> OnVanish();
19:47 <groundpig> SetReferenceTime();
19:47 <groundpig> SetExpansionSpeed(-1);
19:47 <groundpig> SetRadius(0);
19:47 <groundpig> RequestSync();
19:47 <groundpig> return true;
19:47 <groundpig> that is what i tested with
19:47 <wrtlprnft> but the displayed zones don't get updated (the zones don't turn), and the minimap zone rendering code doesn't cache them
19:48 <groundpig> ok really have to go now :B)
19:48 <wrtlprnft> cya
19:48 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
19:48 <philippeqc> cya
19:49 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what does a tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR do?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: nothing, basically
19:50 <wrtlprnft> it just asserts if you try to dereference a 0-pointer
19:51 <philippeqc> my prob isnt deleting pointers too fast, just that the game deletes them too fast so I cant clean up my own extra collections.
19:52 <philippeqc> well, i havent started doing clean up during game play.
19:52 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i don't know a solution for this one :S
19:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: what now? =p
19:53 <spidey> got ssh back :)
19:53 <philippeqc> I'll have to investigate how the zones are stored in the engine
19:53 <luke-jr_> groundpig: get rid of SetRadius
19:53 <philippeqc> wait! MAYBE the tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR does its job.
19:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: lol
19:54 <philippeqc> i havent checked when the zones are deleted
19:58 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I might have to marry you
19:58 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:58 <philippeqc> or at least kiss you with a LOTS of tongue
19:59 <philippeqc> it works!!!!
19:59 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:59 <wrtlprnft> also, look at the other kinds of pointers
19:59 <philippeqc> I will
20:00 <philippeqc> I just feel taht z-man might have manually implemented many of the ones that are found in other libs.
20:00 <wrtlprnft> he didn't do shared_ptr
20:00 <philippeqc> and the one I'm using seems like that
20:00 <wrtlprnft> (tSafePTR.h is the file)
20:00 <philippeqc> yes
20:01 <wrtlprnft> and of course it doesn't contain one comment :S
20:01 <philippeqc> the grid flushes every thing, then the parser is called, and there I flush my own selection of zones, and at that point the destructor of zone is called.
20:01 <philippeqc> ;)
20:02 <philippeqc> I'll fix a small "how come that is not working" and then you might expect my server to be back online
20:02 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:03 <philippeqc> and if all goes well, I'm nearly officially jammed because I'm waiting for your function parser and Joda's team code
20:03 <philippeqc> actually, more by Joda's team code. That unlucks more capacity
20:04 <philippeqc> your math parser just adds new possibilities
20:04 <wrtlprnft> once it's done
20:04 <philippeqc> yes, and once I go at every single place and start using tValues!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> it'll get slooow
20:06 <philippeqc> pfff, only server side
20:06 <philippeqc> ;)
20:06 <philippeqc> mouhahahahahahahahahaha
20:06 <philippeqc> ahahahahhahahahaha
20:06 <philippeqc> hahahahahahahahha
20:08 <philippeqc> it will only get slow when all of that (zones v2 + tValue) and pig's mod all are integrated
20:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man will be happy, he's just optimizing the server code on lagfarm
20:10 <philippeqc> lol
20:10 <philippeqc> yeah! more cycles now are available to waste on our side projects
20:11 <luke-jr_> tValue should be rewritten
20:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: go ahead
20:11 <luke-jr_> C++ uses too much memory for something so common
20:11 <luke-jr_> it needs to be C
20:12 <wrtlprnft> nah
20:12 <wrtlprnft> no
20:12 <wrtlprnft> don't
20:12 <luke-jr_> lol
20:12 <luke-jr_> seriously, tho
20:12 <wrtlprnft> stay away from my code!!!111!! WTF OMG LOL
20:12 <luke-jr_> if how it is right now means slow, we need to fix it =p
20:12 <wrtlprnft> slower
20:12 <luke-jr_> we're definately using tValue for all config settings tho =p
20:12 <wrtlprnft> it is slower than a hardcoded formula
20:13 <luke-jr_> that's not acceptable! =p
20:13 <luke-jr_> why can't it parse the formula once?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> it will
20:13 <philippeqc> cause the formula might depend on variable values
20:13 <philippeqc> you are allowed to store the result if that makes sence
20:13 <wrtlprnft> but it still has to calculate
20:13 <philippeqc> yep
20:13 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I said *parse* =p
20:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: calculation should be possible at hardcoded speeds
20:14 <luke-jr_> just assigning a formula should take extra cycles
20:14 <wrtlprnft> but even the parsed value can't be as fast as a hardcoded formula
20:14 <luke-jr_> yes it can...
20:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I though your math formula parser would build a tValue tree?
20:14 <wrtlprnft> it will
20:14 <philippeqc> ok
20:15 <philippeqc> then what is luke-jr_ talking about?
20:15 <wrtlprnft> but that will still be slower than the same formula hardcoded
20:15 <luke-jr_> if necessary, parse_formula(tString) can compile it to native code and return a pointer to a function
20:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, suuure
20:15 <wrtlprnft> and that will *still* be slower
20:15 <philippeqc> he luke-jr_ great idea.
20:15 <luke-jr_> only to compile it
20:15 <philippeqc> why dont you code it
20:15 <luke-jr_> not to execute it
20:15 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: maybe I will
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20:15 <wrtlprnft> do you have any idea how many cycles a function call takes?
20:15 <luke-jr_> but expect C code =p
20:15 <wrtlprnft> let me refresh you
20:16 <wrtlprnft> put the current position on the stack
20:16 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: there's a function call required in any case
20:16 <wrtlprnft> nope
20:16 <wrtlprnft> not if you hardcode it
20:16 <wrtlprnft> put the current frame pointer on the stack
20:16 * luke-jr_ ponders
20:16 <luke-jr_> so we avoid a function ;)
20:16 <luke-jr_> jump to the pointer and back
20:17 <wrtlprnft> jump to some piece of code (making the CPU cache useless in the way)
20:17 <luke-jr_> eg, inline function
20:17 <philippeqc> suddenly it seems that luke is arguing FOR a parser, and wrtlprnft for hardcoded stuff. I though you standed for the opposite here.
20:17 * philippeqc is confused
20:17 <luke-jr_> lol
20:17 <wrtlprnft> you can't have a dynamic inline function
20:17 <luke-jr_> I don't like hardcoding
20:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: says who?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> i don't either
20:17 <wrtlprnft> me
20:17 <wrtlprnft> because an inline function has to have a known length
20:18 <luke-jr_> not always
20:18 <luke-jr_> that's just the most efficient inline function
20:18 <philippeqc> the point of an inline function is that the whole code gets to be INLINED into the binary at each location where it is used. Hence the name
20:18 <wrtlprnft> anyways
20:18 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: so then think of it as a goto
20:18 <philippeqc> lol vs the non efficient inline function that are knows as ..... functions
20:19 <luke-jr_> eg, no passing arguments
20:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr is talking BS, so I'll go do something other than listening to him
20:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nah, I'm talking assembly
20:19 <philippeqc> luke, you always try to optimise the wrong stuff
20:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: a function without arguments is not an inline function
20:19 * luke-jr_ would just as well figure use a function, tho
20:19 <wrtlprnft> it still needs stack operation
20:19 <philippeqc> I bet you often try to optimise idle loops
20:20 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: no, but I complained about it
20:20 <luke-jr_> my idle loop was using 100% CPU one day
20:20 <philippeqc> same same
20:20 <luke-jr_> =p
20:20 <luke-jr_> anyhow, wrtlprnft was the one making a big deal over function call overhead
20:20 <wrtlprnft> so you wanna write a different function for every platform we support?
20:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: don't need to
20:20 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: are you familiar with qemu's method of emulation? ;)
20:21 <wrtlprnft> so you're gonna generate the same code for intel as for powerpc?
20:21 <luke-jr_> yes
20:21 <luke-jr_> or rather
20:21 <luke-jr_> have the build system generate the code that's different
20:21 <wrtlprnft> no, i only know that qemu is painfully slow
20:21 <luke-jr_> because qemu is translating at run-time
20:22 <luke-jr_> but it gets the output (native) bytecodes by compiling the comparable C code
20:22 <luke-jr_> and reading the output
20:22 * philippeqc gives up debating non-existing code and goes debuging existing code
20:22 <luke-jr_> or something like that
20:22 <luke-jr_> anyway, in general even interpreted bytecode is pretty quick
20:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, write a formula parser that does that
20:23 <luke-jr_> so just ensuring the parsing occurs once, and doesn't use a lot of RAM is should
20:23 <luke-jr_> is enough*
20:23 <luke-jr_> eg, don't use ASTs or C++ objects for the parsed result
20:23 <wrtlprnft> I WILL use C++ objects
20:23 <wrtlprnft> infact, tons of them
20:23 <luke-jr_> that will make it slow
20:23 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:23 <wrtlprnft> really
20:24 <luke-jr_> the only need for C++ objects is per-formula
20:24 <luke-jr_> not for formula 'contents'
20:24 <wrtlprnft> THEN WRITE YOUR FUCKING OWN CODE AND I'LL USE IT
20:24 <luke-jr_> ok, maybe
20:24 <philippeqc> gee, I have 3.5GHz cpu here. I wouldnt want it going to waste on something that has a short development time
20:24 <luke-jr_> I'll need to look at the current tValue first =p
20:25 <philippeqc> tValue is good, and now I've expanded it too. The problem is that I just cant recall exactly why I did it. Really.
20:26 <luke-jr_> in fact, parsing to bytecode gets another advantage too
20:26 <luke-jr_> the server can preparse stuff
20:26 <luke-jr_> and clients don't need to
20:26 <luke-jr_> but not very relevant
20:26 <wrtlprnft> so what?
20:26 <wrtlprnft> the server sends bytecode the clients will execute?!?!?!
20:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: clients will interpret
20:27 <philippeqc> like loading in tValue has an advantage too. The server could parse the equation and generate the tValue tree while reading the map, and then just use the resulting object during game play
20:27 <luke-jr_> but, in theory we could make it extensible such that new tValue stuff is implemented server-side only
20:27 <philippeqc> depends
20:27 <luke-jr_> yes
20:27 <luke-jr_> but in theory it's possible
20:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't want the server sending my client any kind of bytecode
20:27 <luke-jr_> I'm just not sure how, securely
20:27 <philippeqc> some stuff yes, some stuff no
20:27 <wrtlprnft> that's just too risky for me
20:27 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: the entire protocol is bytecode, so get over it =p
20:28 <luke-jr_> it's just higher-level right now
20:28 <wrtlprnft> bite code that's executed in some direct way
20:28 <luke-jr_> interpreting math is no less secure than interpreting game commands
20:28 <luke-jr_> security holes in tValue bytecode should be easy to prevent anyway
20:28 <luke-jr_> since they would be portability problems too
20:29 <luke-jr_> eg, we obviously don't want to use pointers
20:29 <luke-jr_> but on the other hand, that sacrifices some speed
20:29 <luke-jr_> so we need to weigh extensibility and speed
20:30 <luke-jr_> we could do 3 levels
20:30 <luke-jr_> 1) strings
20:30 <luke-jr_> 2) ASTs
20:30 <luke-jr_> 3) bytecode
20:30 <luke-jr_> the server could send 1 or 2
20:31 <luke-jr_> and 3 would be depend on the exact runtime circumstances (platform, memory layout, etc)
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20:31 <luke-jr_> or we could even drop string parsing, and do a direct conversion from XML to AST-- or even use libxml2 constructs as ASTs
20:32 <luke-jr_> do we *need* string parsing anyway?
20:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:32 <wrtlprnft> for ususability
20:32 <luke-jr_> XML isn't usable enough? =p
20:32 <luke-jr_> ok, then
20:32 * wrtlprnft notes we already have XML parsing
20:33 <luke-jr_> yes
20:33 <wrtlprnft> XML formulas are a mess and noone understands them
20:33 <luke-jr_> ok
20:33 <luke-jr_> so if I write this in C, will people complain?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> i will
20:33 <luke-jr_> even if the tValue itself stays C++
20:33 <luke-jr_> ?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad is a c++ project
20:33 <wrtlprnft> so all code should be x++
20:33 <wrtlprnft> *c++
20:33 <luke-jr_> it's already got C code =p
20:34 <luke-jr_> and our memmanager has been extended to support C code
20:34 <luke-jr_> and using C++ for this stuff will cause unnecessary memory usage and CPU waste
20:35 <luke-jr_> significantly
20:35 <wrtlprnft> right, and c++ code is a pain to read and maintain
20:35 <wrtlprnft> and that's why it's better to sacrifice some performance
20:35 <luke-jr_> you mean C?
20:35 <luke-jr_> it's not
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it is
20:36 <luke-jr_> only for someone who doesn't know C? =p
20:36 <philippeqc> the server already runs on a limited regime. So it has lots of cpu to spare, doesnt it?
20:36 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: not all servers
20:36 <luke-jr_> and CPU time increases latency
20:36 <luke-jr_> and tValues exist also on clients
20:36 <philippeqc> isnt the default of 40 runs / second?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> and clients have lots of CPU power to spare
20:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: not always
20:37 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: 200, IIRC
20:37 <philippeqc> 0.025 sec processing
20:37 <philippeqc> #g 1/200
20:37 <armabot> 1 / 200 = 0.005
20:37 <philippeqc> #g 1/40
20:37 <armabot> 1 / 40 = 0.025
20:38 <luke-jr_> also consider process switching
20:39 <philippeqc> do you have concrete examples of servers that are already barely able to support a regular game (not pig's)? and that you could back only on CPU, not bandwidth?
20:39 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I won't write mkdir_recurse-like code... =p
20:39 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: no, but ping times *will* drop if the server can process faster
20:39 <wrtlprnft> no
20:40 <luke-jr_> well, maybe ping times won't, but lag will
20:40 <luke-jr_> ping doesn't use much CPU to reply to ;)
20:40 <philippeqc> lol we have seen that there was 25 ms to shave here MAX!
20:40 <luke-jr_> 25ms is significant w/ Arma
20:40 <wrtlprnft> no
20:40 <philippeqc> I played on pig's today, nobody was under 150, most where at about 250
20:40 <luke-jr_> and we're not even using tValues everywhere yet
20:40 <wrtlprnft> 25ms predicable lag are nothing
20:41 <philippeqc> mkdir_recursive did the job properly, without needing pointers voodoo
20:41 <luke-jr_> the primary concern isn't *shaving* lag, but *reducing the increase* from using tValues for everything
20:41 <philippeqc> that makes it totally unmaintainable
20:41 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: actually, the original mkdir_recurse had a pretty bad security problem =p
20:41 <luke-jr_> IIRC
20:41 <luke-jr_> but I didn't write it to be readable
20:42 <luke-jr_> I wrote it to conserve lines of C code =p
20:42 <luke-jr_> so it would fit in my KWrite window
20:42 <wrtlprnft> good c++ code is readable by definition
20:42 <luke-jr_> good C code is just as readable
20:42 <wrtlprnft> efficient c code is a mess
20:42 <luke-jr_> if you define good as written to be readable
20:43 <luke-jr_> efficient C++ code is impossible =p
20:43 <philippeqc> yeah, but you wrote it to be FAST! and you are waiting for bunch load of IO operation that must be 1000000 times slower than anything else.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> btw
20:43 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I primarily wrote it to fit in my Kwrite window
20:43 <wrtlprnft> it's the best practice to optimize code AFTER you wrote it
20:43 <philippeqc> so you degraded code maintainability for absulotly no gain (except performace)
20:43 <wrtlprnft> overoptimizing code while writing it is the door to hell
20:43 <philippeqc> s/performance/security
20:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:44 <wrtlprnft> it's more secure if noone can read/understand the code
20:44 <wrtlprnft> ms tactic
20:44 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that won't work if the design is unoptimizable
20:44 <philippeqc> yeah, lets port the game to ASM!
20:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok, I'll write it in BISON
20:45 <luke-jr_> that's the perfect tool for the job!
20:45 <wrtlprnft> i have an idea
20:45 <wrtlprnft> armagetron in brainfuck!
20:45 <philippeqc> what is brainfuck?
20:45 <luke-jr_> ...
20:45 <wrtlprnft> ++--<><<>><[+<->][---[++]]
20:45 <luke-jr_> lol
20:45 <philippeqc> hummm
20:45 <wrtlprnft> that's brainfuck
20:45 <luke-jr_> why not write it in whitespace?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia brainfuck
20:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.48 seconds: Hello world program in esoteric languages - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_world_program_in_esoteric_languages>; List of esoteric programming languages - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_esoteric_programming_languages>; User talk:Rwald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
20:46 <wrtlprnft> because whitespace is a cheap brainfuck clone?
20:46 <luke-jr_> because you can't print whitespace
20:46 <luke-jr_> or read it, really
20:46 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: most of the concepts of the games can easily be encapsulated to objects
20:46 <philippeqc> good and sound design lead to more rapid development
20:47 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: objects add memory and CPU overhead, so should be avoided when unnecessary
20:47 <luke-jr_> tValue deals with functions, so functions should be used in that implementation
20:47 <philippeqc> we are 20 under the label of developers for this project, but I'm sure there isnt someone developing at each hour of the day (man hour)
20:47 <wrtlprnft> there is no rapid development if luke-jr_ is around
20:47 <luke-jr_> tValue should only do object stuff when objects are being used
20:48 <philippeqc> developers are our most scared resource. Wasting our time on false optimisation leads to no gain.
20:48 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: it's faster to write C code in this case, than C++
20:48 * wrtlprnft agress with philippeqc
20:48 <philippeqc> CPU on the marked gain more power than we consumate
20:48 <luke-jr_> ok, I'll use C++ where it's appropriate then
20:48 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: no it is not
20:48 <wrtlprnft> look at windows vista
20:48 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: yes it is
20:48 <wrtlprnft> they don't care about performance
20:48 <wrtlprnft> they just tell the users to purchase 4G of ram
20:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and everyone using it complains its slow
20:49 <groundpig> philippeqc: sounds like you might have figured out how to delete the zones?
20:49 <philippeqc> your confusing "it is faster for luke to do some things in C than C++" with "it is faster to develop object concepts in C++"
20:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: wait a year and everyone and his dog will be using it, even if it's slow
20:49 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: tValue components aren't object concepts
20:49 <philippeqc> groundpig: heuu, no not really
20:49 <luke-jr_> ok, instead of arguing over general C and C++, let's address the actual issue
20:49 <philippeqc> just stopped a crash for my code
20:50 <luke-jr_> ASTs are mere storage
20:50 <luke-jr_> the obvious solution for them is a struct
20:50 <wrtlprnft> no
20:50 <luke-jr_> a C++ object could be used, but with added overhead and no gains
20:50 <philippeqc> what overhead?
20:50 <luke-jr_> and the only difference is in definition, use is the same
20:50 <wrtlprnft> readability
20:50 <groundpig> philippeqc: ok :)
20:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: the code reads the same, except the definition which is more readable for a struct
20:51 <wrtlprnft> not if you have functions that use it
20:51 <wrtlprnft> void doSomethingWithThisStruct(ThisStruct *str, params) is less readable than void ThisStruct::DoSomething(params)
20:51 <luke-jr_> structs use -> just like C++ objects
20:51 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: no it is not
20:51 <luke-jr_> struct coord { int x; int y; } is more readable than the tCoord definition
20:51 <philippeqc> so struct are objects! but structs dont have inheretance. That is dealt by the compiler. Cost: compile time, not run time.
20:51 <luke-jr_> the only reason tCoord should be an object is that it needs methods
20:52 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: you might be right-- not sure how it's compiled
20:52 <philippeqc> C++ is the compiler giving you better tools to address problems.
20:52 <philippeqc> in the end, it crunches it to C
20:52 <luke-jr_> ok, so how about I write it using structs and we can convert struct to objects later? =p
20:53 <wrtlprnft> no
20:53 <luke-jr_> they're close enough
20:53 <wrtlprnft> wrong way
20:53 <spidey> wow
20:53 <luke-jr_> less developer time that way
20:53 <philippeqc> to the question "what is done in C++ that you cant do in C" A: nothing. So why C++? Because the effort of doing it in C is not worth it.
20:53 <spidey> opening a 1.8kb .php in kwrite = killingme O.o
20:53 <luke-jr_> I can write it quickest using structs
20:53 <wrtlprnft> right
20:53 <luke-jr_> and time to convert is minimal
20:53 <wrtlprnft> but it is usable the quickest by using objects
20:54 <luke-jr_> no, because writing the object definition is more complex
20:54 <luke-jr_> and objects only work if there's one AST you're dealing with
20:54 <philippeqc> sed -e "s/struct/class/"
20:54 <luke-jr_> which usually isn't the case
20:55 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: that might work, dunno
20:55 <philippeqc> no, you will have everything as private
20:55 <luke-jr_> o
20:55 <luke-jr_> brb
20:55 <philippeqc> AST = ?
20:55 <luke-jr_> ...
20:56 <wrtlprnft> AST= A Stupid Term
20:56 <wrtlprnft> SCNR
20:56 <philippeqc> :)
20:56 <luke-jr_> #wikipedia AST
20:56 <armabot> luke-jr_: Search took 0.17 seconds: Abstract syntax tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_syntax_tree>; AST - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AST>; AST Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AST_Research>; Bl' ast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
20:56 <luke-jr_> brb now
20:56 <philippeqc> is brb now supposed to be written "I'm back"
20:57 <philippeqc> oo ok, now he is going away
20:57 <wrtlprnft> good
20:58 <luke-jr_> back
20:58 <luke-jr_> I've decided
20:59 <philippeqc> groundpig: actually, I figured a way NOT to delete zones
20:59 <philippeqc> and to delete them at the right time ;)
20:59 <luke-jr_> time_to_write_classes - time_to_write_structs > time_to_argue_structs
20:59 <groundpig> philippeqc: oh that would be helpful
20:59 <groundpig> what is the right time?
20:59 <philippeqc> I changed my reference to them to tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR
21:00 <philippeqc> so it knows that I'm interested, and when its pointer goes out, it is not killed, just wait as there is still one reference.
21:00 <luke-jr_> so I'll just use BISON++ (C++ BISON) for string=>AST and C++ for AST=>bytecode
21:00 <groundpig> is this new code where you have another ref to them, other than just the game lists?
21:00 <philippeqc> yes
21:00 <groundpig> ok
21:00 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you want
21:00 <philippeqc> so its sadly nothing of use for you
21:01 * wrtlprnft has never seen luke-jr_ actually really finishing something he wanted to write
21:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: why dont you write the formula parser yourself?
21:01 <wrtlprnft> because luke-jr_ will only annoy me, telling me it is lame?
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21:02 <philippeqc> and....................... ? waiting for the real reason
21:02 <philippeqc> Louven keept attacking me daily (indirectly) in the forum for a long time.... see how it stopped me.
21:02 <wrtlprnft> because I am not in the mood to finish it right now
21:02 <philippeqc> o that IS a good reason
21:02 <wrtlprnft> so I'll wait for luke-jr_ to write it
21:03 <philippeqc> i guess you've started it
21:03 <wrtlprnft> then tell him how lame it is
21:03 <philippeqc> lol
21:03 <wrtlprnft> then tell him to rewrite it again
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and wait until he drops it
21:03 <philippeqc> sorry, how ungentleman of you
21:03 <wrtlprnft> then I'll finish my parser
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and use that
21:03 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and if mine isn't that bad? =p
21:03 <wrtlprnft> at least I will had had some fun in the meantime
21:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: that's to be awaited :D
21:03 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so you won't dismiss it regardless?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no
21:04 <luke-jr_> will you consider it bad for using BISON[++]?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> as long as I won't have to use it, no
21:04 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: have you ever considering learning C++?
21:04 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: do you know what BISON is? =p
21:05 <wrtlprnft> i know that a bison is one of those furry animals in MTS commercials
21:05 <luke-jr_> ...
21:05 <luke-jr_> it's a parser generator
21:05 <luke-jr_> more-or-less an addition to C/C++ to do parsing
21:08 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: that will add one more dependency to the project
21:09 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: it's a common dependency for anything that parses
21:09 <philippeqc> i know
21:10 <philippeqc> that was just to play with you. sorry
21:10 <philippeqc> I'll ask my question again: luke, have you ever considered learning C++=
21:10 <luke-jr_> np, wasn't sure if you were serious or not =p
21:10 <philippeqc> s/=/?
21:10 <philippeqc> its ok, it was a bit mean of me.
21:11 <philippeqc> as I said, I'm sorry.
21:11 <luke-jr_> I learn C++ every time I use it
21:12 <luke-jr_> it never makes it into long-term memory
21:12 <philippeqc> how often do you use it (plz dont answer "as little as possible" or something similar)
21:12 <luke-jr_> Arma is the only C++ project I'm a developer for
21:12 <luke-jr_> and even then, I avoid C++
21:13 <philippeqc> I'll suggest you a link, it has a KICK ass book for C++. It is now my only reference. it is writen in an intelligent fashion, and goes in depth like I've never seen in any other book.
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21:13 <luke-jr_> books are usually pretty useless to me
21:13 <philippeqc> online book
21:14 <philippeqc> latex files, pdf, ps and html
21:14 <philippeqc> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml
21:14 <luke-jr_> though general references are useful, but that's what man pages are for
21:14 <wrtlprnft> is there a man page on how to program in C?
21:14 <philippeqc> I never found out how one is supposed to kick in the man pages for C++, neither in gentoo nor in Mandriva.
21:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: man strcmp
21:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: that doesn't tell you how to program in C
21:15 <wrtlprnft> that tells you about one particular C function
21:15 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I said reference, not learn =p
21:15 <philippeqc> this book gives you more than just syntax, it tell you how the parts fall together, the mistakes you should avoid and the solution for some very complex problems
21:15 <luke-jr_> I don't learn in the normal fashon
21:16 <luke-jr_> I look at existing code and start writing
21:16 <luke-jr_> and just use a reference for library stuff
21:16 <wrtlprnft> so
21:16 <wrtlprnft> you look at existing C++ coee
21:16 <wrtlprnft> *code
21:16 <wrtlprnft> and start writing C code
21:16 <wrtlprnft> great way to learn
21:16 <luke-jr_> nah, I don't need to look at C code to write it =p
21:17 <luke-jr_> anyway, I write parsers now
21:18 * luke-jr_ ponders the best way to do a test suite
21:18 <luke-jr_> can you both start spitting out strings to test it with? =p
21:18 <philippeqc> funaise!!!!
21:18 <philippeqc> i think I have found my problem
21:19 <philippeqc> darn complexity
21:20 <spidey> php-nuke = frustrating :(
21:21 <luke-jr_> ...
21:21 <spidey> well
21:21 <wrtlprnft> php-nuke = teh suck
21:22 * spidey wishes he could say the
21:22 <spidey> "T E H"
21:22 <spidey> bah
21:22 <groundpig> philippeqc: for zone to wall interactions, would it be best to check in Timestep or InteractWith?
21:23 <philippeqc> timestep
21:23 <groundpig> thanks
21:23 <philippeqc> interact with is for other game objects
21:23 <philippeqc> called many times during a "tic"
21:23 <philippeqc> timestep is called only once per "tic"
21:24 <groundpig> it looks like Timestep() is called far more than InteractWith() though, so I thought i would clarify with you
21:24 <luke-jr_> InteractWith still exists? O.o
21:24 <philippeqc> timestep is called once every loop of the game, thats for sure
21:24 * luke-jr_ knows z-man was removing that a while ago...
21:25 <philippeqc> it could be taht interactWith is called when it knows that something has met something else, to deal with the consequence. but thats a big maybe
21:25 <groundpig> if (!eWallRim::IsBound(c->pos,-20))
21:25 <groundpig> c->Kill();
21:25 <groundpig> else if (TimestepThis(simTime,c))
21:25 <groundpig> {
21:25 <groundpig> if (c->autodelete)
21:25 <groundpig> c->RemoveFromGame();
21:25 <groundpig> else
21:26 <groundpig> {
21:26 <groundpig> c->currentFace=NULL;
21:26 <groundpig> c->RemoveFromList();
21:26 <groundpig> }
21:26 <groundpig> }
21:26 <groundpig> else if (sn_GetNetState()!=nCLIENT)
21:26 <groundpig> for(int j=grid->gameObjectsInteresting.Len()-1;j>=0;j--)
21:26 <groundpig> c->InteractWith(grid->gameObjectsInteresting(j),currentTime,0);
21:26 <groundpig> TimestepThis calls Timestep() a bunch of times
21:27 <philippeqc> i'd go with timestep, (vs interactwith)
21:27 <groundpig> ok
21:27 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: can you give me an example tValue string plz?
21:27 <luke-jr_> I don't know what to parse!
21:27 <luke-jr_> lol
21:27 <philippeqc> timestepthis I think will deal with too long time intervals and cut them down in manageable time peices to pass to timestep
21:27 <wrtlprnft> the parser doesn't exist yet
21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I am writing it
21:28 <luke-jr_> I need to know what to parse to write it
21:28 <wrtlprnft> just any formula with callbacks, an extensible function system, and standard operators
21:28 <philippeqc> wait, looking for my paper
21:28 <groundpig> wrtlprnft: did you say the minimap doesn't do zone position updates or zone deletion?
21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: example of syntax?
21:28 <luke-jr_> and how do you mean callbacks?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: the minimap just reads the zones
21:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: ...
21:29 <wrtlprnft> some string that is replaced by a function call
21:29 <wrtlprnft> ie you say "cycle_rubber * 42"
21:29 <wrtlprnft> that should call a function that is defined somewhere else
21:29 <luke-jr_> ok
21:30 <wrtlprnft> this function will return somthing
21:30 <luke-jr_> yes
21:30 <wrtlprnft> then multiply it by 42
21:30 <wrtlprnft> oh, and it has to work with strings as well
21:30 <luke-jr_> so "cycle_rubber" should be expanded to "cycle_rubber(average)"?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> so "player_name + team_name" should work
21:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: no, it shouldn't
21:30 <wrtlprnft> there should be a list in the source code somewhere assigning strings to callback functions
21:31 <luke-jr_> so + to concatenate?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> so there would be a cb_cycle_rubber somewhere
21:31 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> or . if you like
21:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: which cycle's rubber would it refer to? =p
21:31 <philippeqc> x+k*cos(t) , t = current game time, k = fixed value, x can be fixed, or could be the result of another equation. Start with fixed
21:31 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: sorry if its a nasty one, but feel free to adapt
21:32 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: thanks
21:33 <philippeqc> but that is how I'd write it, wrtlprnft might have better ideas
21:33 <wrtlprnft> well
21:33 <wrtlprnft> i think having short names is a bad idea
21:33 <wrtlprnft> t would end up being a callback or float *
21:33 <philippeqc> yes
21:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe just name it game_time or something
21:34 <wrtlprnft> but luke-jr_ doesn't have to work about it
21:34 <luke-jr_> so... functions need not have ()?
21:34 <philippeqc> yes, because I'd like to have game_time and just current_clock (ie, just some time value, not related to the start of a match/round
21:34 <wrtlprnft> that wouldn't be meant as a function
21:35 <wrtlprnft> there's callbacks/variables (the user doesn't know the difference)
21:35 <wrtlprnft> and there's normal functions like cos()
21:35 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft's callback never takes arguments, they just inspect current game status and return something (my interpretation)
21:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:36 <wrtlprnft> basically they're functions without arguments
21:36 <wrtlprnft> I'm ok if you don't make a difference and just allow omiting the brackets for functions that don't take arguments
21:37 <luke-jr_> callbacks/variables need to have a nesting format... o.o
21:37 <luke-jr_> eg, player(wrtlprnft).cycle
21:37 <luke-jr_> or something
21:38 <wrtlprnft> if you want
21:38 <wrtlprnft> like, closestPlayer().speed would make sense
21:39 <luke-jr_> you know, when this is done, we might have a good start for our own scripting language =p
21:39 <philippeqc> yes, i know that
21:40 <philippeqc> and I know how "flexible" the zone system is, and that tells me that we are really getting to be in need of scripting soon
21:40 <luke-jr_> oh, commonly evaluated tValues should be a simple "return currentValue"
21:40 <luke-jr_> eg, they attach hooks to sub-tValues that tell them "when you change, let me know"
21:41 <luke-jr_> so if a player gets closer than another, the closestPlayer tValue gets updated then
21:41 <wrtlprnft> that might be hard
21:41 <luke-jr_> maybe, but worth it
21:42 <luke-jr_> I'm going to at least plan for that being added in the future when I write code
21:42 <wrtlprnft> since if some value comes from deep in the engine it might be next to impossible to create hooks everywhere
21:42 <luke-jr_> unless tValue itself supports hooks =p
21:42 <luke-jr_> currentPlayer might be a bad example tho
21:43 <luke-jr_> that would need special hook code
21:43 <luke-jr_> err, closest
21:44 <luke-jr_> anyway
21:44 <luke-jr_> the evaluation of the last statement in a 'function' can be a return value
21:45 <luke-jr_> so, a tValue that is merely "1 + 2" returns 3
21:45 <luke-jr_> but you can still do "a=1; b=2; a+b"
21:47 <luke-jr_> should be use 0xFF for hex?
21:47 <luke-jr_> like C/C++?
21:47 <luke-jr_> or just forget hex? =p
21:47 <wrtlprnft> oh, of course use it
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and 0777 for oct
21:47 * luke-jr_ is thinking maybe do that later
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and base(42, "a5Dx")
21:47 <luke-jr_> hex/octal aren't common use
21:48 <wrtlprnft> err
21:48 <wrtlprnft> everyone and their dog is using color codes in arma
21:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not me
21:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: within strings O.o
21:49 <luke-jr_> not as numbers
21:51 <luke-jr_> we need to support floats and coords right away? O.o
21:53 <philippeqc> hehe, conquering a zone made another dissapear!
21:54 <luke-jr_> O.o
21:55 <philippeqc> monitors are roolling
21:56 <philippeqc> gonna set up my server
21:56 <philippeqc> I'd like some help to conquer the blue zone
21:57 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5815 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gParser.cpp zone/zMonitor.cpp zone/zZoneInfluence.h): zZonePtr changed type to avoid memory corruption, and zMonitors can reset themself
21:58 <wrtlprnft> zZone lol
21:58 <philippeqc> the problems with projects like that, when your done, you really no longer have good ideas of what to do with them
21:59 <philippeqc> he, got inspired by your cockpit idea, so there are all my zone related class there
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21:59 <philippeqc> zEffectGroup.cpp zEffector.cpp zMonitor.cpp zSelector.cpp zValidator.cpp zZone.cpp zZoneInfluence.cpp
22:00 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:00 <wrtlprnft> makes sense
22:00 <philippeqc> i try to, even though sometime i must be that obvious ;)
22:00 <wrtlprnft> now we habe nutgwecsz as prefixes
22:00 <wrtlprnft> *have
22:00 <philippeqc> lol, nearly a word
22:01 <philippeqc> it is very plural, it end both in c, s and z
22:01 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:02 <philippeqc> server is up
22:03 <wrtlprnft> map isn't in the repository
22:03 <wrtlprnft> can't download it
22:03 <philippeqc> o ok
22:03 <luke-jr_> lol
22:03 <philippeqc> hummm, dtd and map would be required
22:03 <philippeqc> let me do the same hack as last time
22:04 <wrtlprnft> just make your own repository
22:04 <wrtlprnft> as luke-jr_'s isn't flexible
22:04 <philippeqc> uploading is such a pain
22:04 <philippeqc> and doing a repo too
22:06 <philippeqc> try now
22:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: wtf?
22:06 <luke-jr_> uploading is picking the file and submitting
22:07 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: now I'm timing out connecting to it
22:07 <philippeqc> me too
22:07 <philippeqc> weird
22:07 <philippeqc> will take 1 min
22:09 <luke-jr_> expr:
22:09 <luke-jr_> tINTEGER
22:09 <luke-jr_> | tFLOAT
22:09 <luke-jr_> | tSTRING
22:09 <luke-jr_> | function
22:09 <luke-jr_> | expr '+' expr
22:09 <luke-jr_> | expr '-' expr
22:10 <luke-jr_> | expr '*' expr
22:10 <luke-jr_> | expr '/' expr
22:10 <luke-jr_> | '-' expr %prec tUNARYMINUS
22:10 <luke-jr_> | '(' expr ')'
22:10 <luke-jr_> ;
22:10 <luke-jr_> function:
22:10 <luke-jr_> tID
22:10 <luke-jr_> | tID '(' arglist ')'
22:10 <luke-jr_> ;
22:10 <luke-jr_> look good for basics?
22:10 <philippeqc> up again
22:10 <luke-jr_> ?
22:16 <spidey> #night
22:16 <armabot> Good night spidey!
22:17 <luke-jr_> should function/variable/callback references be resolved at parse time, compile time, or run time?
22:17 * luke-jr_ leans toward compile time
22:18 <philippeqc> not compile, then it means that this is unusable from maps
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22:24 * Lucifer_arma wonders if armabot has any messages for him
22:25 * Lucifer_arma thinks probably not
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22:25 <Lucifer_arma> hi there
22:26 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:26 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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22:32 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=408
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22:33 <wrtlprnft> that's how it looked for me using the current trunk
22:33 <wrtlprnft> good night now
22:33 * luke-jr_ posted about tCode
22:34 <wrtlprnft> what about tCPlusPlus?
22:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: solved your dependency problem ;)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: sound's good, I'll come back tomorrow for results :D
22:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: can't guarantee integration by tomorrow =p
22:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I'm writing it isolated from the project ATM
22:37 <luke-jr_> so I can compile a testcase application
22:38 <luke-jr_> eg, feed it a number of expressions and expected results
22:38 <luke-jr_> and report any inconsistencies
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it, my wife thinks that's a cool plane
22:52 <luke-jr_> ...
22:55 <philippeqc> 3 red! weird
22:56 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: ?
22:57 <luke-jr_> 3 red?
22:57 <philippeqc> what was your comment about?
22:58 <luke-jr_> ???
22:58 <philippeqc> 3 red: check wrtlprnft screenshot, and you will see 3 red zones in the minimap, where 1 should be
22:58 <philippeqc> luke-jr_ philippeqc: solved your dependency problem ;)
22:58 <philippeqc> ??? ^
22:58 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: oh
22:59 <luke-jr_> my requirements are to make the parser optional at compile-time
22:59 <luke-jr_> if the parser is disabled, no dep on BISON
22:59 <philippeqc> ok nice
22:59 <luke-jr_> a client w/o a parser can still play on servers that use tCode
22:59 <luke-jr_> they'll just get pre-parsed ASTs
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> $124,540 for a 1975 cessna of sorts
23:00 <philippeqc> saw a 69 for 45k
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> on ebay?
23:00 <philippeqc> yes
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> a jet?
23:00 <philippeqc> cessna 1969
23:01 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: what is the gain of getting AST vs string?
23:01 <philippeqc> for the client
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the only jet I'm seeing on ebay is $119,000
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, there's a lot of prop cessnas, but my wife wants a jet :)
23:02 <philippeqc> i didnt see a jet category
23:02 <philippeqc> ooooooooooo
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> she wants a True Luxury Jet Plane
23:02 <philippeqc> didnt know cessna did jets
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://motors.search.ebay.com/jet_Aircraft_W0QQfcclZ1QQfclZ3QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsacatZ63676QQssPageNameZWLRS
23:02 <philippeqc> and you'll get her one from ebay ;)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's a Lear, heh
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a price competitive thing
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> if we're going to set a goal, we need to set it for a realistic price.
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> And it is worth a few thousand dollars to buy a plane already assembled, even though it would be really fun to build it myself
23:03 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: AST is already parsed
23:03 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: even if the client has a parser, it might not be the latest
23:04 <luke-jr_> eg, the server can support a newer syntax than the client and it can still work
23:04 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: its for 1/4 of the plane
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> the lear?
23:04 <philippeqc> yes
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's not gonna work
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, at least now I know I'm not talking out my ass when I tell her a jet is waaaay out of our price range
23:04 <philippeqc> yeah, because you'll fry it SOOO much
23:05 <philippeqc> fly
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> alright, here we go
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> a Velocity is $102,000 when you put a bunch of other shit on it
23:11 <philippeqc> other shit?
23:11 <philippeqc> other shit like engine and navigation or other shit like leather seats?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes :)
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> er, actually the upholstery kit is vinyl and cloth
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> but the instruments, engine, autopilot, instrument cluster, and seats are "other shit"
23:12 <philippeqc> oooooo
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's with the 260hp engine, too, not the 310hp that's available
23:13 <philippeqc> so the airplane is body + engine
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> I can do without the autopilot, I think
23:13 <philippeqc> airplane = 45k, + engine + other shit = 105k
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> unless it's FAA mandated, obviously
23:13 <philippeqc> yes
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> but the radio is around $8500 and you have to have that
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> $1200 seems a bit steep for the instruments, though
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> we're only talking tach, fuel pressure, oil temperature, volt meter
23:14 <philippeqc> yeah, when you can get a perfectly normal compas inside a cereal box
23:15 <philippeqc> 9700 for now,
23:15 <philippeqc> how much is the engine
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> 29k. It's freshly-overhauled, so it's not exactly new, not exactly used
23:16 <philippeqc> 29k+10k+45k=84k
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, that doesn't include exhaust and stuff. Add another $4000 to make it "safe" and mount it :)
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> the propellor is $3250
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> This is a "sample" budget. If I'd wind up paying half of these listed prices I'd be surprised
23:17 <philippeqc> basic one I guess, i read in diagonal about the 3 blades, constant rotation speed one
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> The propellor listed is the Catto 3-Blade fixed pitch
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> whatever that means
23:18 <philippeqc> pitch of the blades doesnt change
23:18 <philippeqc> so angle of attack might not be efficient at all speeds,
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, now we're talking
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> $54k for the kit with the retractable gears and the 5 seat option
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> $47k for the engine, that's the 310hp one
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> And here's your fancy propellor, for $10k
23:20 <philippeqc> hehe
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> leather upholstery kit
23:20 <philippeqc> oooo
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> $2800
23:20 <philippeqc> that is some nice leather
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> fancy autopilot
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> the $20k radio includes GPS and some other navigational goodies
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> here's the thing about that, though
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> I can build a computer for $500, get an LCD for another $500
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> Then a GPS unit for around $100 for it
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> right?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> Then code and miscellaneous electronic parts gets me all the instrumentation I need
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23:23 <Lucifer_arma> so I just need the cheapest radio that'll let me talk to any American airport
23:23 <philippeqc> humm, your desktop variety of equipment might not appreciate the rigous of flyght
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> if the thing could make the hop to Europe, it should work there too
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, my laptop can fly just fine :)
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think flying is less stress on the computer than driving, actually, and we're only talking about a prop plane
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> There isn't going to be serious g-forces on you during takeoff like there is in a jet
23:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: GPSDrive for software? =p
23:25 <philippeqc> not g-forces, but vibrations
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's all in the mounting
23:26 <philippeqc> your screen is good agains glare?
23:26 <luke-jr_> some LCDs require sunlight ;)
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23:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's doable anyway
23:27 <philippeqc> might be
23:27 <philippeqc> i'm just not at easy with cutting corner about flying ;)
23:28 <philippeqc> yes you could fly instrument blind in most conditions, but you just need one where you cant
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh. as long as the corners you cut are within your area of expertise, you're fine :)
23:28 <luke-jr_> shttpd.c:2297: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> we're only talking about the oil pressure, tachometer, and fuel gauges
23:28 <philippeqc> o ok
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> the altimeter and artificial horizon are provided by a different gauge whose presense is non-negotiable
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> and we're talking about using the computer for navigation
23:29 <philippeqc> that is the cheapeast package you mentionned!
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> fallback would be to a magnetic compass and paper maps, which is reasonable :)
23:29 <philippeqc> i think to fly over the ocean, you are required to have 2 engines
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd either do the upholstery myself (i.e. without the kit, I can sew), or I'd buy the vinyl kit, screw the leather
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, with only 933mi of range, we're talking about leaving from newfoundland and hopping to iceland, then Ireland
23:30 <philippeqc> the air lines do that
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> only if they have a stop :)
23:31 <philippeqc> nope
23:31 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: who requires it?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> they really stop along the way?
23:31 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: oceans are international waters =p
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23:31 <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, who would require it? oceans are international...
23:31 <philippeqc> no, that is the flight path
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> right, it's the flight path, because it's shorter than taking the Columbus Trail ;)
23:32 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: dont know, might have dreamt it, just accepted it as plosible, since if you loose an engine, you have a second, vs none
23:32 <luke-jr_> I'm sure it's probably a decent idea =p
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> in the other direction I could hop to alaska, then cross to Russia, then down into China
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'd have to pass North Korea on that path
23:32 <philippeqc> safest too, shortest distance between points where you can land
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, what's the difference if you lose your only engine 15k feet over water or 15k feet over land?
23:33 <luke-jr_> you crash and burn on land
23:33 <philippeqc> when I flew to albucurqui (bad spelling), from europe (paris or in the netherland), that is the path we took
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, where you might be able to skip and float in water :)
23:33 <luke-jr_> yeah, possibly
23:33 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: nowadays, they put well on planes
23:33 <luke-jr_> of course, if you bring parachutes... land might be best
23:34 <luke-jr_> well, not for the people on the ground, but for you
23:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: well?
23:34 <philippeqc> weel
23:34 <philippeqc> wheel
23:34 <philippeqc> grrr
23:34 <luke-jr_> so?
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, you've gotta keep the engine in good condition
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't abuse it the way you would a car engine
23:34 <philippeqc> and they dump fuel before touching ground
23:35 <philippeqc> he I just repeated something I though I heard,! ;)
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.faa.gov/ATs/aat/ifim/ifim0108.htm
23:41 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5816 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp: eliminated some ghost zones
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, for the North Atlantic, basically Canada makes the call
23:42 <luke-jr_> init.c:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `main'
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> so, you have to comply with Canadian law if your flight originates in canada, which is going to be the case for all light aircraft crossing the ocean
23:42 <philippeqc> ok
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> it *looks* like the velocity can do it
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> and then it needs to meet European laws in order to tool around Europe, obviously
23:44 <philippeqc> ok, well that would be great
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5817 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Whoops, typo. Clamped the wrong variable. A new match was started every time a team was created or deleted.
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5818 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5811 to 5817:
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: r5817 | z-man | 2006-07-23 23:44:27 +0200 (Sun, 23 Jul 2006) | 1 line
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Whoops, typo. Clamped the wrong variable. A new match was started every time a team was created or deleted.
23:47 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:48 <philippeqc> dumb thing because I should go to bed. in an overloaded method, how to I call the parents method?
23:48 <z-man> Per explicit scope
23:49 <z-man> for example, gCycle::Timestep calls gCycleMovement::Timestep()
23:49 <z-man> just as I wrote it
23:49 <philippeqc> eNetGameObject::RemoveFromGame from gZone::RemoveFromGame ?
23:49 <z-man> jo
23:51 <luke-jr_> can you have sub-namespaces in C++?
23:51 <luke-jr_> eg, tCode::Expr::Add
23:51 <z-man> Yes
23:52 <luke-jr_> just put namespace inside a namespace? or?
23:53 <philippeqc> yes
23:53 <philippeqc> thanks z-man. seem to work, but as the second round, a new bug occurs
23:53 <luke-jr_> z-man: what do you think of my tCode plans?
23:54 <philippeqc> I wanted to remove a "dead" zone from the minimap
23:54 <philippeqc> gonna turn for the night
23:54 <z-man> luke-jr_: don't know yet. since when do we want our own custom scripting language?
23:54 <philippeqc> many good thing where done today, and I'm quite happy about them ;)
23:54 <philippeqc> #night
23:54 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
23:54 <luke-jr_> z-man: maybe we don't, but the point was if we did, tCode could easily be extended into one
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23:55 <z-man> ok, so this is our mini formula parser then?
23:55 <luke-jr_> right now, it's just going to do expressions that tValue would do
23:55 <luke-jr_> parser, compiler, and interpretor
23:55 <luke-jr_> so it's *fast* =p
23:56 <luke-jr_> and extensible
23:59 <z-man> sounds basically cool
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00:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft wants me to do it in pure C++ tho :(
00:00 <luke-jr_> which means I can't use structs and unions for ASTs :/
00:00 <luke-jr_> and using classes is looking like a lot more work/code
00:01 <luke-jr_> because then I need to cast crap all over
00:02 <groundpig> z-man: Hi! question for you, do you know if eNetGameObjects that are removed from the game list are still synced?
00:03 <z-man> Yes, they are.
00:03 <z-man> As long as they're not completely deleted, you can still sync them.
00:04 <luke-jr_> z-man: is there any way to do a class-switch?
00:04 <z-man> Virtual functions?
00:04 <groundpig> i ask, because i added zone to wall interactions so that i could stop zones from going through walls
00:04 <groundpig> and on a client you can still see the zone exist for some time after going through the wall
00:04 <luke-jr_> z-man: like repetitive 'tSubClass x = dynamic_cast<y>; if (x) ...'
00:05 <luke-jr_> but written similar to 'switch(y) case tSubClass x: ...'
00:06 <z-man> groundpig: hmm, there may be references lingering around on the client, or maybe the zone needs to self-destruct on the client manually. Don't know really.
00:07 <z-man> luke-jr_: there's no way to do it like that
00:07 <luke-jr_> grr :(
00:07 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft would kill me if I used a #define...
00:07 <luke-jr_> pretty sure of that
00:07 <z-man> but if you look for the "visitor pattern", that provides you with something along that line
00:07 <z-man> not only wrtl :)
00:07 <luke-jr_> eh?
00:07 <luke-jr_> what's a "visitor pattern"?
00:08 <z-man> the visitor pattern is a smart way to use virtual functions to avoid excessive dynamic_casts.
00:08 <z-man> Just google, the fist hit looks good already.
00:08 <luke-jr_> #c++ are suggesting templates
00:09 <groundpig> z-man: ok thanks. i think you're right about the client side
00:09 <z-man> groundpig: just let them "collapse" so they turn invisible :) maybe that deletes them, too.
00:10 <z-man> luke-jr_: they just said that to get rid of you :)
00:10 <groundpig> z-man: i tried that... it doesn't actually delete them. i'm wondering if the sync just isn't happening soon enough
00:10 <z-man> to understand what you'd need to do with templates, you first have to understand what you'd do without them.
00:11 <z-man> Just as with macros.
00:11 <groundpig> z-man: do you know off hand how soon the sync gets sent to the client after RequestSync() is called?
00:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: well, I know enough to do it w/ macros... =p
00:11 <z-man> Usually before the next frame.
00:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: are dynamic casts expensive? how about this visitor pattern stuff?
00:12 * luke-jr_ considers just using struct/union anyway
00:12 <z-man> Dynamic casts can be very expensive
00:12 <z-man> sorry, /me has to prepare for bed now
00:12 <groundpig> z-man: thanks for the info - cya
00:13 <luke-jr_> we can't be using expensive casts, now can we? =p
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> ~$4500 to go to a flight school in Georgetown, which is only 5 minutes away
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> now that's not bad. $3.80/gallon for gas
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950/70
00:40 <armabot> 950 / 70 = 13.5714286
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> 13.5 nm/gal, heh
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 13.5 nautical miles in miles
00:41 <armabot> 13.5 nautical miles = 15.5355225 miles
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 15.5355225 * 70 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 15.5355225 * 70 * 3.80 = 4,132.44898
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> ack, that's not right
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 70 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 70 * 3.80 = 266
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, $266 to fill the tank, then
00:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 93 * 3.80
00:42 <armabot> 93 * 3.80 = 353.4
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> $353 to fill the optional 93 gallon tank ;)
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01:18 <Compn> whats new in pigsty with the update groundpig?
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950/266
01:20 <armabot> 950 / 266 = 3.57142857
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 950 nautical miles in miles
01:20 <armabot> 950 nautical miles = 1,093.24048 miles
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1093.24/266
01:21 <armabot> 1,093.24 / 266 = 4.10992481
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, that's not right
01:21 <groundpig> Compn: just added wall interactions with the zones
01:21 <groundpig> Compn: currently, shots don't go through walls anymore (wall walls, not cycle walls)
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops. That's miles/dollar and I want dollars/mile
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 266/1093.24
01:22 <armabot> 266 / 1,093.24 = 0.243313454
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> much better, a quarter a mile
01:22 <Compn> coolio
01:22 <groundpig> so now that that is working, i can put in shots bouncing off walls
01:27 <Compn> groundpig
01:27 <Compn> groundpig : in pacman map, we need a roaming gold death zone
01:27 <Compn> or even roaming blue,red,yellow,white deahtzones
01:27 <Compn> like in real pacman
01:27 <groundpig> a good idea, but not in my current list of projects
01:27 <Compn> hehehe
01:27 <Compn> o well
01:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:38 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, apparently you need a range around 1400 nautical miles to cross the atlantic from Canada -> Azores
01:40 <Lucifer_arma> Azores are an island system off the coast of Spain, right?
01:40 <spidey> #g 8pm gmt in cdt
01:40 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:40 <spidey> :/
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> 3pm cdt, isn't it?
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> half a million for a top of the line cessna prop plane
01:45 <Vanhayes> #g 1400 nautical miles in k
01:45 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:45 <Vanhayes> #g 1400 nautical miles in kilometres
01:45 <armabot> 1,400 nautical miles = 2,592.8 kilometers
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> $326k for their bottom of the line 4 seater
01:46 <Vanhayes> why do you want a plane?
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> because flying is cool?
01:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, then you can come pick me up,then fly to canada and harrass Vanhayes
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> cessna's bottom of the line 2 seater comes in round $172k
01:47 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Vanhayes wrtlprnft , whoever else we got a itw match against germany at 8pm gmt O.o
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01:47 <Vanhayes> er tomorrow
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, isn't that over, then?
01:48 <spidey> noi?
01:48 <Vanhayes> it isnt the 24th yet spidey
01:48 <spidey> the 24th///
01:48 <spidey> ...
01:48 <spidey> yes i know that
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01:48 <spidey> Germany vs NAFTA - Monday 24 july 8 pm gmt - (post result here)
01:49 <spidey> best of 5? O.o
01:49 <Compn> nice
01:49 <Compn> WS has a practice tonight
01:49 <Vanhayes> btw Im still having problems so Im probly either not gonna play or if you need 5 ill just show upo and screw around
01:49 <spidey> bah
01:49 <spidey> i was gonna goto sleep for another 6 hours
01:49 <spidey> :<
01:49 <spidey> lol
01:50 <spidey> well
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see any 2-seater pipers
01:50 <spidey> i have no idea who knojf is
01:50 <Compn> knojf = rain?
01:50 <Vanhayes> yes
01:50 <spidey> mmm
01:51 <Vanhayes> hmm antone seen ~*SP*~ leeroy lately, or ever?
01:51 <Vanhayes> anyone*
01:52 <madmax|pt> lol...
01:52 <Vanhayes> cause I'm pretty sure Leeroy=psyko
01:53 <Compn> lol
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> looks like used is the way to go for planes
01:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, buy me one
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> get a job
01:53 <spidey> lol
01:54 <spidey> i'm getting a job,but i still would have asked you to buy me one!
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> buy your own damn plane
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> look, here's what's important. :)
01:55 <spidey> lmao
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> You can buy a 2-seater used cessna for the price of a reasonably-priced new compact car
01:55 <Compn> rather have a boat
01:55 <Compn> you can live in a boat
01:55 <spidey> $175 isn't a compact car :p
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> You can get a 4-seater used plane (cessna or piper) for the price of a reasonably-priced mid-sized car
01:55 <Compn> and sail to new places
01:55 <Compn> A BOAT
01:56 <Compn> cant live in an airplane and you gotta have runways
01:56 <Compn> maybe a heliocopter....
01:56 <Compn> but nahhh
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> You can put your plane in a tie-down for about $4/month, or get a hangar for $200/month
01:56 <spidey> compn what if it's stormy and you like are in the middle of the ocean, then it's all like OMG A WAVE! then you're screwed
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you can put up the money to buy two cars, you can probably put up the money instead to buy 1 car and 1 plane
01:56 <Compn> tspidey, omg a wave, lol
01:57 <spidey> ;D
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> flight school in Georgetown starts at $4100, expect to pay more like $5000-$5500
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> Insurance is the only thing I haven't been able to price
01:57 <spidey> flight school?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> Gas for a prop plane appears to be about 50 cents->$1/gallon more than car gas
01:58 <Compn> boats run on wind
01:58 <spidey> pull back to go up push down to go down, push that throttle bar forward to go faster bull it back to slow down
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't live on the coast, and neither is the river I live on navigable to the ocean
01:58 <spidey> there i put you through school,give me 5 grand ;D
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> with a boat you can only reach coastal destinations, you still need to get inland somehow
01:58 <Vanhayes> hmm Im gonna get a hover craft, the best of both worlds
01:58 <Compn> inland for what?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> with a plane you can go anywhere
01:59 <Compn> anywhere with 100 ft runway
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, what if you want to go to, say, Denver, CO?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> in a boat? wtf?
01:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, can you fly to satern?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> *Saturn ?
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> not in an airplane
01:59 <spidey> didn't think so,you might wanna by a rocket shuttle ;D
01:59 <Compn> denver? sail the pacific stoopid!
02:00 <spidey> lol
02:03 <spidey> can you add iptables as a normal user?
02:03 <nemostultae> Can't fly across the Atlantic in a cessna
02:04 <madmax|pt> "Vanhayes - cause I'm pretty sure Leeroy=psyko", when i told you that you said leeroy was lack
02:04 <madmax|pt> lol
02:05 <spidey> i always thought he was psyko to
02:05 <Vanhayes> heh well there was an actually leeroy at first and his ping was pretty low
02:06 <Vanhayes> so I thought leeroy=lack since his ping is low too
02:06 <Compn> heh
02:06 <Compn> i'm pwning people in pigsty
02:06 <Compn> damn noobs ;\
02:07 <Vanhayes> hmm how much do you think a space shuttle would cost?
02:07 <Compn> billion to make
02:08 <Compn> 5million to rent from russia
02:08 <Vanhayes> ya, probly more to buy
02:08 <Compn> or20 mil
02:08 <Compn> not sure
02:08 <Vanhayes> think ill wait a couple years untill more space shuttle companys sping up
02:08 <Vanhayes> and I have the money....
02:09 <Compn> gonna be space pirate?
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: you can fly across the atlantic in a cessna, I just read an account from someone who did :)
02:10 <Vanhayes> heh sure, if there is anything to pirate
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> he installed an extra tank, and he made a hop from Canada to the Azores
02:10 <Vanhayes> Other impressive non-stop demonstration flights completed by the Sovereign include Gander in Newfoundland, Canada, to Vienna, Austria; Zurich, Switzerland, to St. Johns in Newfoundland, Canada; and flights from the west coast of the United States to Hawaii and back.
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> Personally I'm looking at taking a northern route through iceland and into ireland as more realistic for a plane without modifications
02:10 <nemostultae> Sounds pretty insane
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> what's the distance from St. Johns to Reykjavic?
02:11 <Vanhayes> says the most impressive non-stop was 2800 nautical miles
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, 1440 nautical miles
02:13 <Vanhayes> whats the distance across the atlantic?
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02:14 <DrJoeTron> herro
02:16 <Vanhayes> hello
02:18 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: Ya i think that info was for cessna jet not airplane
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i would totally buy that plane if i handnt already spent my 30 bucks on that rc plane :p
02:20 <Compn> anyways
02:21 <Compn> you need a license and faa clearance to fly
02:21 <Compn> a boat needs nothing (in international waters)
02:21 <Vanhayes> wel neither does a plane
02:21 <Compn> just circle over international airspace for hours? :P
02:22 <Vanhayes> heh I didnt say you could land anywhere just that you could fly
02:22 <Compn> lol
02:22 <Vanhayes> though it probly wouldnt be the best idea to try to take off without any training
02:22 <Compn> sounds like you are planning to fly a plane into a building
02:23 <Vanhayes> shh
02:24 <Vanhayes> meh id rather have a sailboat too
02:26 <DrJoeTron> nah man
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fly first thing
02:26 <DrJoeTron> thats the mans way to do it
02:26 <DrJoeTron> HURRR!
02:26 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-21.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
02:26 <Lizz> hi guys
02:26 <DrJoeTron> heya
02:27 <Lizz> hiya joe!!
02:27 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
02:27 <Lizz> wanna strawberry starburst?? lol
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i would, but i cant eat
02:27 <Lizz> ooh?
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i had my tonsils pulled
02:27 <Lizz> OW
02:27 <DrJoeTron> jaa
02:27 * Lizz gives joe strawberry icecream instead
02:28 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:28 <Lizz> ;)
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah i decided to download irc last night finaly
02:28 <Compn> yikes
02:28 <Compn> tonsils?
02:28 <Compn> why?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:28 <Compn> tininitis?
02:28 <Lizz> well i guess having ya tonsils pulled in one way to stop u chitterchatting in ts :P
02:28 <DrJoeTron> cause they were bad
02:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:29 <Lizz> heh
02:29 <DrJoeTron> and then 5 days later, they ruptured
02:29 <Lizz> :/
02:29 <DrJoeTron> so i had to go back into surgery
02:29 <Lizz> ow
02:29 <DrJoeTron> blood everywhere
02:29 <Lizz> :/
02:29 <DrJoeTron> im on liquid vicodin Xp
02:29 <Lizz> whats that?
02:29 <DrJoeTron> and i've lost 15 lbs of weight
02:30 <Lizz> :o
02:30 <DrJoeTron> vicodin is a very powerful pain killer
02:30 <DrJoeTron> its usually in pill form
02:30 <Lizz> morphine based?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> its given to patients and drug abusing celebrities
02:30 <DrJoeTron> i think so
02:30 <Lizz> aah ok
02:30 <DrJoeTron> i think vicodin is its own thing
02:30 <Lizz> o.O
02:31 <DrJoeTron> or based off of kodine
02:31 <Lizz> o ok.. codine is milder
02:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah this is much more powerful
02:31 <Lizz> anyway dosent matter really lol
02:31 <DrJoeTron> codine just makes me ill
02:32 <Lizz> so are u on the mend now?
02:32 <DrJoeTron> aye
02:32 <Lizz> :)
02:32 <DrJoeTron> XD
02:32 <madmax|pt> hi Lizz
02:33 <madmax|pt> and good night
02:33 <DrJoeTron> ta
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02:33 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: why? didn't they just recently learn that pulling tonsils is a bad thing?
02:33 <DrJoeTron> i want my plane to come in :(
02:34 <DrJoeTron> not in my case
02:34 <DrJoeTron> i had this thing called cryptic tonsil
02:34 <luke-jr_> o
02:34 * Lizz yelss "night maxeeeeeeeee" out the door
02:34 <Lizz> erm.. yells as well
02:34 <DrJoeTron> i had crevises that formed, and this bacteria grows in it, they form a sulfur deposit
02:34 * luke-jr_ yelss at Lizz
02:34 * Lizz licks lukes ear
02:35 <Lizz> say that 3 times fast lol
02:35 <DrJoeTron> so i have these really disgusting tasting rank smelling things growing in them
02:35 <Compn> DrJoeTron : crevices? yea i got those
02:35 <Lizz> :/ sounds yummy
02:35 <DrJoeTron> totally
02:35 <Compn> DrJoeTron : then little 'tonsil stones' grow there
02:35 <Compn> ya
02:35 <DrJoeTron> hehe yeah
02:35 <Compn> you had yours yanked?
02:35 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:35 <Compn> those are natural man
02:35 <DrJoeTron> nope
02:36 <Compn> yep
02:36 <DrJoeTron> not very natural
02:36 <DrJoeTron> because i didnt have them untill last year
02:36 <Compn> what doctor do you have?
02:36 <Compn> get a second opinion man
02:36 <Compn> it happens in puberty :D
02:36 <luke-jr_> Compn: too late now =p
02:36 <DrJoeTron> im 19
02:36 <Compn> luke-jr_ : LOL
02:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah man
02:36 <DrJoeTron> plus i had chronic tonsilitis allof my life
02:36 <Compn> DrJoeTron : yes, 19, puberty... 18 when a boy becomes a man? you know?
02:36 <luke-jr_> tho
02:36 <Compn> ah
02:37 <luke-jr_> if he didn't need them pulled, he might be able to sue the doc who told him to =p
02:37 <Compn> ya totally
02:37 <DrJoeTron> i did need them pulled
02:37 <Compn> malpractice
02:37 <Lizz> knows plenty of men older than 18 that are still boys
02:37 <DrJoeTron> because the were swollen
02:37 <Compn> like cant breath swollen?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:37 <Compn> or just larger and painful
02:37 <Compn> ah
02:37 <luke-jr_> sue for malpractise anyway =p
02:37 <luke-jr_> they can't prove they were swolen! =p
02:38 <Compn> lol
02:38 <Compn> poor doctors
02:38 <DrJoeTron> crazy mother fuckers
02:38 <Lizz> 2 L's luke :P
02:38 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah, i should
02:38 <luke-jr_> Lizz: wtf?
02:38 <DrJoeTron> and buy that plane
02:38 <Lizz> in swolen
02:38 <luke-jr_> whatever
02:38 <DrJoeTron> oh its cool, im losing lots of weight
02:38 <Lizz> meh
02:38 <luke-jr_> Lizz: bloated
02:38 <Compn> losing weight after a surgery?
02:38 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:38 <Lizz> bit like yelss :P
02:38 <Compn> man dont die on us
02:39 <Compn> :D
02:39 <luke-jr_> eh, he doesn't talk here much anyway
02:39 <DrJoeTron> well i cant friggin eat solids
02:39 <luke-jr_> no loss
02:39 <luke-jr_> =p
02:39 <DrJoeTron> so ive lost 15 lbs
02:39 <Lizz> u want me to prick u luke and let all ur air out?
02:40 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: baby food! =p
02:40 <Lizz> lmao
02:40 <Lizz> pureed banana
02:40 <DrJoeTron> pudding and apple sauce
02:40 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:40 <DrJoeTron> i can be like robocop
02:40 <DrJoeTron> he eats babyfood
02:40 <Lizz> heh
02:40 <luke-jr_> except he's fictional =p
02:40 <DrJoeTron> no!
02:40 <DrJoeTron> robocop is real
02:40 <DrJoeTron> i saws him
02:40 <DrJoeTron> at a car show
02:40 <DrJoeTron> :p
02:41 <DrJoeTron> he was signing autographs
02:41 <spidey> joe,aim
02:41 <luke-jr_> joe,jabber
02:41 <spidey> standard im is msn
02:41 <spidey> beeeeeotch ;D
02:41 <luke-jr_> bs
02:41 <DrJoeTron> i use aim and gt
02:41 <luke-jr_> what's your std IM addy joe?
02:42 <luke-jr_> (that's gt)
02:42 <DrJoeTron> <---
02:42 <luke-jr_> @ ?
02:42 <DrJoeTron> gmail
02:42 <luke-jr_> o, gmail prolly
02:42 <DrJoeTron> google talk
02:42 <DrJoeTron> ya
02:48 <DrJoeTron> bbl
02:48 <deja_vu_> heya
02:48 <spidey> deja_vu_,
02:49 <deja_vu_> spidey:
02:49 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
02:49 <spidey> deja_vu
02:49 <deja_vu> spidey: Oo
02:49 <spidey> deja_vu, O.o
02:49 <deja_vu> hm..
02:49 <deja_vu> okay :P
02:49 <deja_vu> *.*
02:50 * spidey slaps deja_vu
02:51 * deja_vu does not slap spidey
02:51 * spidey throws piggy at deja_vu
02:52 <deja_vu> there is no piggy O.o
02:52 <spidey> is to
02:52 <spidey> groundpig = piggy
02:52 <deja_vu> well
02:53 <deja_vu> you obviously can't throw a groundpig at me because it's glued to the ground ...
02:53 <spidey> how so?
02:54 * Lizz throws deja a bag of nuts
02:54 <deja_vu> aaand if i use the word "obvious" you are not supposed to ask yet another question :P
02:54 <spidey> but i did ask another question,so what's your answer?
02:54 <deja_vu> spidey: see, nuts on the other hand are quite good things to throw at someone :D
02:54 <deja_vu> hey Lizz =]
02:55 <Lizz> hiya deja :)
02:55 * Lizz wanders off somewhere to annoy other ppl
02:55 <deja_vu> spidey: obviously i don't answer questions you obviously shouldn't ask *.*
02:56 <spidey> but who decides that it's obvious i shouldn't answer them?
02:56 <deja_vu> Lizz: what if we want to be annoyed? :p
02:56 <deja_vu> i do
02:56 <luke-jr_> Can I change "tString tCode::Expr::Null::compile() { ... }" to eg "namespace tCode { namespace Expr { tString Null::compile() { ... } } }"?
02:56 <deja_vu> obviously ^^"
02:56 <spidey> your opinion doesn't count
02:56 <spidey> just like lukes doesn't
02:56 <spidey> ;D
02:57 <deja_vu> >:(
02:57 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: how should we torture him?
02:58 <deja_vu> luke-jr_: anything special you've got on your mind?
02:58 * spidey stabs Lizz
02:58 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: make him write C++
02:58 * spidey stabs luke-jr_
02:58 <deja_vu> :O
02:58 * Lizz waxes spider 8 legs and his groin
02:58 <spidey> O.o
02:58 <luke-jr_> poor Lizz
02:58 <luke-jr_> lol
02:58 * spidey hides behind deja_vu
02:58 <Lizz> heh
02:58 * Lizz gives deja nuts if he moves
02:58 * deja_vu holds spidey for Lizz =]
02:59 <Lizz> :D
02:59 * spidey shoots deja_vu and runs
02:59 * Lizz gets out her wax strips
02:59 <deja_vu> uhm.. can i get the nuts anyway?
02:59 <Lizz> sure ;)
02:59 <deja_vu> spidey: you can't do that :P
02:59 <spidey> i just did ;D
02:59 * Lizz shoots spider with her crossbow
02:59 * luke-jr_ stuns spidey
02:59 <deja_vu> spidey: you think you did
03:00 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
03:00 <deja_vu> yes?
03:00 <Lizz> wow he found the paste function
03:00 <Compn> spidey : we having a practice tonight or what?
03:00 <spidey> Compn, 'uno
03:00 <luke-jr_> quad
03:00 <luke-jr_> Quadrapus!
03:00 <Lizz> 4 pusses?
03:01 <Lizz> :/
03:01 <luke-jr_> no
03:01 <luke-jr_> it's a black spider like thing
03:01 <luke-jr_> with 4 legs
03:01 * Lizz shoots the cat for target practice
03:02 <spidey> mkzelda, ping
03:08 <Lizz> silly FA site >.<
03:09 <Lizz> my nick dosent fit :((
03:31 <Compn> spidey
03:31 <spidey> don't sak
03:31 <spidey> ask
03:31 <Compn> lol
03:31 <Compn> :D
03:31 <Compn> move to zman ladle?
03:31 <spidey> it's back
03:54 <spidey> Vanhayes, ?
03:54 <Vanhayes> spidey?
03:54 <spidey> come to us fortress :
03:54 <spidey> :p
03:54 <Vanhayes> still have that weird problem, cant play
03:54 <spidey> :<
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04:21 <spidey> anjori
04:21 <spidey> decided if you're gonna play in the ladle or not?
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04:22 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how do you get namespace tValue { Base::Base() { ... } } to work in .cpp?
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04:23 <DrJoeTron> eh, im not gonna do ladle
04:23 <DrJoeTron> You Knew!?!?
04:24 <newfie> vaa :P
04:24 <DrJoeTron> :D
04:26 <anjori> spidey: i'm not sure, but to be on the safe side, i should probably say no.
04:26 <spidey> lol
04:26 <anjori> 2pm. who knows if i'll even be up by then? :P
04:27 <anjori> saturdays are for hangovers and continued alcohol consumption
04:27 <Lizz> hiya anj
04:27 <anjori> hey
04:28 <DrJoeTron> 2pm on a saturday
04:28 <DrJoeTron> thats whacky
04:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah im so not there
04:28 <anjori> looking at the wiki, it doesn't look like the rest of the team will be there, either
04:29 <anjori> can you make it?: 2 yes, 1 no, and the rest "maybe"
04:29 <DrJoeTron> these never work :p
04:29 <DrJoeTron> i think a once a year thing like spoon is the best way to go
04:30 <anjori> oh, not 2pm. it says show up an hour early! so 1pm PDT
04:30 <anjori> which the team page says PST. i hope no one is an hour off ;)
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm installing flightgear
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> what are the chances there's code in flightgear that detects when you crash into buildings and reports you to Homeland Security?
04:50 <newfie> flightgear is too slow on my comp :(
04:51 * anjori would crash into buildings if he knew how to get off of the bloody ground
04:52 <anjori> i would make a horrible terrorist ;)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just printed up the really nice manual so I can read it while I'm trying to get off the ground :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put it in the binder with the openAL manual :)
04:58 * Lucifer_arma thought he was waaay past the dead tree software manual, apparently not.
04:59 <spidey> you're actually buying a plane?
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> no, we've got some other shit to straighten out first, but we've set it as a goal in the next 5 years or so
05:00 <spidey> O.o
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> we're agreed we want one, and that it'll be affordable, if not in the next couple of years, after I finish college
05:01 <spidey> mmm
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm installing flightgear so I can sooth the itch :)
05:01 <spidey> lmao
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ the manual's big
05:02 <spidey> you got 5 years to read it
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, maybe I can also learn about the planes that are available with flightgear
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> so when the time comes, I'll actually know what we're looking at :)
05:04 <Vanhayes> meh all you have to do in flight gear to get off the ground is hold throttle up untill you have a good speed going then pull up slowly
05:05 <Vanhayes> pretty sure thats a bad way to actually try and fly a real plane though
05:07 <nemostultae> X-plane seemed pretty realistic, and you can fly the space shuttle (I couldn't). It is not free, though.
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> space shuttle's standard feature, afaik, since the flight simulator for the C-64 :)
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, no, nvm
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, flightgear has a space shuttle too
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.flightgear.org/Projects/
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05:10 <Lucifer_arma> we used to have a space shuttle simulator for the C-64 that was a lot of fun, but back then there wasn't anything you could do in orbit besides leave or run out of oxygen
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05:11 <spidey> These enormous moths are often mistaken for humming birds in the early evening sky.
05:11 <spidey> that's a big moth
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> brb, have to login again
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05:12 <Your_mom_arma> anyone else getting errors on the main forum page?
05:13 <luke-jr_> how can I do std::cout << tString?
05:14 <spidey> #night
05:14 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: ?
05:15 <spidey> mm
05:15 <spidey> #night
05:15 <spidey> !
05:15 <armabot> Good night spidey!
05:15 <nemostultae> Your_mom_arma: the forum is acting weird for me, too
05:15 <DrJoeTron> goodnight!
05:15 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
05:15 <groundpig> Your_mom_arm: soccer is progressing slower than expected
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> :-(
05:16 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: I have a tString
05:16 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: I want to put it on stdout
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05:16 <groundpig> but i do have walls blocking shots
05:16 <groundpig> so thats a start
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05:16 <luke-jr_> groundpig: do Atari Tank =p
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> is it implemented in your server?
05:17 <luke-jr_> hah, Tank would be funny when we get custom models & skins working
05:17 <groundpig> luke-jr_: Atari Tank is almost what i have in my server now :B)
05:17 <groundpig> just started up server again
05:17 <luke-jr_> groundpig: the shots bounce and time out?
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05:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
05:17 <groundpig> sorry, don't know how tank worked
05:17 <groundpig> they bounced?
05:18 <groundpig> when did they stop bouncing?
05:18 <Your_mom_arma> to pigs server
05:18 <luke-jr_> Tank was more or less you drive a tank
05:18 <luke-jr_> and shoot at the other player
05:18 <luke-jr_> shots bounce off rim walls
05:18 <luke-jr_> but shots have limited lifetime
05:18 <DrJoeTron> some times in your server the zombies become unkillable
05:18 <DrJoeTron> the super zombie
05:18 <groundpig> that sounds like a feature joe
05:19 <luke-jr_> so you would need to set a max lifetime on shots
05:19 <groundpig> luke-jr_: sounds do-able
05:19 <luke-jr_> and set their rimwall reaction to bounce
05:19 <DrJoeTron> hehe
05:19 <luke-jr_> and set cycle_speed to 0
05:19 <luke-jr_> and cycle_brake to -10
05:19 <luke-jr_> or maybe more
05:19 <groundpig> i'm working on shots bouncing now, should have within the hour
05:19 <DrJoeTron> sweet deal
05:19 <luke-jr_> you need shots to be 1/3rd the size of the cycle
05:19 <luke-jr_> and no trails
05:19 <Your_mom_arma> walls eat shots now, cant shoot while grinding
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> wow, flight gear has gotten very nice!
05:20 <luke-jr_> then, when we support models, you need a 3x3 pixel tank resized to a 3D model (but still blocky) for cycles
05:20 <luke-jr_> and a square for the shot
05:21 <luke-jr_> then configure a custom server view to be directly overhead, and disable other views
05:21 <luke-jr_> =p
05:24 <luke-jr_> ...
05:24 <luke-jr_> tString to stdout anyone?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> i want my plane :(
05:25 <luke-jr_> *%&#
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: flightgear :)
05:25 <DrJoeTron> flightgear?
05:26 <DrJoeTron> tell me more :D
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> www.flightgear.org ?
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's it
05:26 <DrJoeTron> danka
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.flightgear.org <--- clickable
05:27 <DrJoeTron> ooooh now i remember
05:27 <DrJoeTron> im know
05:27 <DrJoeTron> i*
05:27 * luke-jr_ clicks
05:27 <luke-jr_> (nothing happens)
05:27 * DrJoeTron clicks hard
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, gonna grab a smoke and punch holes in my flightgear manual :)
05:27 <DrJoeTron> i play bf2
05:27 <DrJoeTron> thats what i use for a flight sim
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> i use a piece of paper for a flight sim although its realism isnt that great
05:28 <luke-jr_> lol
05:29 <Compn> no paper airplane sim?
05:30 <luke-jr_> I want a paper airplane sim!
05:30 <luke-jr_> fly my paper airplane all over KS!
05:30 <luke-jr_> lol
05:32 <DrJoeTron> oh man
05:32 <DrJoeTron> remember the paper airplane game for appleII?
05:32 <Compn> there is a paper airplane sim
05:32 <Compn> i know it
05:32 <DrJoeTron> :)
05:32 <DrJoeTron> compn how ya likin grid wars?
05:32 <nemostultae> luke-jr_: std::cout << tString("blah"); ... ;)
05:38 <Compn> DrJoeTron : havent been playing
05:38 <Compn> google paper airplane siim
05:38 * Compn goes afk
05:50 * DrJoeTron goes to defrag, restart, and come back here later
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> cya
05:50 <DrJoeTron> ta
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05:52 <luke-jr_> nemostultae: thanks, heh I had a tString*
06:10 <luke-jr_> tString s(" ");
06:10 <luke-jr_> s[0] = this->op();
06:10 <luke-jr_> is that allowed?
06:11 <luke-jr_> or is there a better way to do it?
06:11 <luke-jr_> this->op() is a char
06:20 <Lizz> luke?
06:20 <Lizz> nvm
06:22 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:23 <nemostultae> tString s(op()); ??
06:23 <nemostultae> oh wait
06:24 <nemostultae> no constructor that takes just a char.
06:25 <luke-jr_> yeah :(
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I took off, went to 3k feet, then came down and landed!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> no crashing!
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I couldn't seem to get the plane to turn away from east, heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and I had to disable weather....
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07:13 <nemostultae> You got further than me... I couldn't even get the engine to rev up.
07:14 <groundpig> lol
07:14 <groundpig> lots of bouncy things
07:15 <groundpig> anyone want to try pig sty dodge ball?
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> me me
07:20 <groundpig> doh, sorry found a bug
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07:41 <luke-jr_> groundpig: done yet
07:41 <luke-jr_> ?
07:42 <groundpig> no, i suck at vector math
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07:48 <groundpig> ah i think we have a wiener
07:48 <groundpig> starting server now
07:48 <luke-jr_> ?
07:51 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what do you mean?
07:51 <wrtlprnft> it just works
07:51 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I was having problems making it work =p
07:53 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/cplusplus03.html#l44
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> it was fun while it lasted
07:58 <groundpig> it finally went to server heaven
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> its back up
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> couldnt handle it
07:58 <groundpig> i realized after it stopped updating that i left a console print enabled
07:58 <groundpig> i just recompiled and started again without that
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> mabey limit shots
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08:01 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just have non-refilling brakes?
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08:03 <Your_mom_arma> joe go to pigs server
08:06 <DrJoeTron> ko
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08:15 <Your_mom_arma> joda join pig sty
08:15 <Your_mom_arma> heh
08:17 * DrJoeTron afk
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08:29 <Lucifer_arma> whaahhahahahaha I crashed into a Southwestern Airliner :)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> hey, this flightgear isn't so tough
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I took off from a regular airport with regular weather settings (morning, though), went up to around 5k feet, then turned around, came back,
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> and landed.
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I saw the airliner, so after I stopped, I went back to see how detailed the model was, and then decided to get all terrorist on it and crashed into it
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08:44 <luke-jr_> groundpig: need to check some stuff-- if you shoot on the edge of the rim, the shot starts on the other side-- and goes forever across the screen out of the HUD =p
08:44 <luke-jr_> groundpig: it needs timeouts and single shots =p
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08:56 <wrtlprnft> groundpig, DrJoeTron: wanna try MAP_FILE Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml ?
08:56 <wrtlprnft> that's a circle map :D
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08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> hey guys
08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> can we kick the other joe tron?
08:57 <Your_mom_arma> ?
08:57 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah, something went horribly wrong
08:58 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTr0n: you registred with nickserv?
08:58 <wrtlprnft> then /msg nickserv ghost DrJoeTron <yourpw>
08:59 <wrtlprnft> in any other case DrJoeTron should time out within 2 minutes
08:59 <DrJoeTr0n> nope
08:59 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with map --nolimit
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08:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [01:57:11] <wrtlprnft> that's a circle map :D, [01:57:06] <wrtlprnft> groundpig, DrJoeTron: wanna try MAP_FILE Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml ?, [15:03:26] <wrtlprnft> map isn't in the repository, [14:29:33] <wrtlprnft> groundpig: the minimap just reads the zones, [12:48:14] <wrtlprnft> but the displayed zones don't get updated (the zones don't turn), and the minimap zone (1 more message)
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08:59 <wrtlprnft> the first two messages ;)
09:03 <Vanhayes_> #night
09:03 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes_!
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09:06 <luke-jr_> 5+"help" => 020000000500000001000000040000000000000068656c7003000000
09:06 <DrJoeTron> answer is 5
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh, crashed into the san francisco bay bridge
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> tried to go under it, then at the last minute switched views so I could see it from the outside, and got confused, pulled up immediately,
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> hit the underside of the bridge
09:14 <wrtlprnft> if you do that in a real plane, don't switch views
09:14 <wrtlprnft> ;)
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> this thing is awesome, though
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I flew a t-38
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> crashed it trying to land :(
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> better stick with prop planes for awhile
09:15 <wrtlprnft> or paper planes
09:15 <wrtlprnft> too bad flightgear won't run on my machine
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no AUS in there?
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09:22 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the air port selection isn't great, but I dont' really want to take off from San Francisco anyway
09:23 <DrJoeTron> maybe il dl flight gear
09:25 <DrJoeTron> i took the motors, battery, and receiver out of my old plane
09:25 <DrJoeTron> i wanna put it on something
09:25 <DrJoeTron> maybe a bad ass leggo car
09:25 <wrtlprnft> model plane > 100 model cars
09:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:26 <DrJoeTron> but the plane got crushed
09:26 <DrJoeTron> you werent here for my discussion of my 30 dollar rc plane i reordered
09:26 <DrJoeTron> www.aeroacemods.com
09:36 <Your_mom_arma> does digging really need its own page?
09:36 <Your_mom_arma> digging more commonly known as grinding
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09:39 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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09:56 <incognito> uha
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13:36 <TitsnAss> in many threads
13:36 <joda_bot> TitsnAss: Not sure where you live, but not all ppl deny help... some offer free support ;)
13:36 <TitsnAss> hehe
13:36 <TitsnAss> i'm going to talk to linksys
13:36 <TitsnAss> right now
13:36 <joda_bot> or that
13:36 <TitsnAss> call em up
13:36 <TitsnAss> lol
13:36 <joda_bot> ok, just too distracting here
13:36 <TitsnAss> first i'm gonna try the less than 3 mb update
13:37 <joda_bot> gone offline ... good luck titsnass ...
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13:37 <TitsnAss> k
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14:20 <TitsnAss> hey
14:20 <TitsnAss> anyoen want to play some us fortress
14:20 <TitsnAss> you know you wanna
14:25 <TitsnAss> yooooooooooo
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14:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.armagetronad.net/
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14:54 <H> HI
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14:54 <HAK> hi
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16:03 <spidey> i think i've got the hang of phpnuke now ;D
16:05 <wrtlprnft> finally
16:06 <wrtlprnft> my internet connection came back
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16:08 <wrtlprnft> 8PM GMT... that's in 3 hours :S
16:09 <spidey> really?
16:09 <spidey> 1pm my time
16:09 <spidey> mmm
16:09 <wrtlprnft> ?!
16:09 <spidey> the itw?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> oh, sh**
16:09 <wrtlprnft> i screwed up
16:09 * spidey homes Lucifer_arma is around
16:09 <spidey> huh?
16:10 <spidey> s/homes/hopes
16:10 <wrtlprnft> it should be 2PM for you
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you're GMT-6
16:10 <wrtlprnft> no
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you're GMT-5
16:10 <wrtlprnft> arrrrrgh
16:10 <spidey> i'm cdt whatever that is
16:10 <spidey> #time
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:10 <armabot> spidey: 09:10 AM, July 24, 2006
16:10 <spidey> that's what time it is now
16:10 <wrtlprnft> now I conused myself
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you are CDT
16:10 <GodTodd> central is gmt -6
16:10 <spidey> Latest 3 Members
16:10 <spidey> 01: border=0 align="center" ALT="Jul 24, 2006">IceMaiden
16:10 <wrtlprnft> which is GMT-5
16:10 <spidey> i broke it
16:11 <spidey> ;D
16:11 <wrtlprnft> and the match is 8PM GMT
16:11 <spidey> k
16:11 <spidey> so in 3 hours?
16:11 <wrtlprnft> and i am 7 hours ahead of you
16:11 <spidey> yes
16:11 <spidey> 1 pm
16:11 <spidey> 7+1 = 8
16:11 <spidey> :p
16:12 <wrtlprnft> 8-5 = 3
16:12 <wrtlprnft> so 3pm for you
16:12 <spidey> O.o
16:12 <wrtlprnft> and for me it's 7 hours later
16:12 <wrtlprnft> so 10pm for me
16:12 <wrtlprnft> that's in 4 hours
16:12 <spidey> mm
16:12 <spidey> wait
16:12 <wrtlprnft> i just mixed it up, i never had to care about timezones before while being here
16:12 <spidey> in 4 hours?
16:12 <spidey> that's 2pm not 3pm
16:13 <spidey> no,that's 1pm in 4 hours
16:13 <wrtlprnft> what's your time?
16:13 <spidey> 9:13am
16:13 <spidey> if it's 4 hours for you
16:13 <wrtlprnft> and the match is at 3pm
16:13 <spidey> it's 4 hours for me
16:13 <wrtlprnft> it's 6 hours for me
16:14 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> so 10pm for me
16:14 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> that's in 4 hours
16:14 <spidey> !
16:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know :S
16:14 <wrtlprnft> see
16:14 <spidey> lol
16:14 <wrtlprnft> my watch says 16:14
16:14 <wrtlprnft> and i wanted the difference to 10 PM
16:14 <wrtlprnft> but i accidently translated it to 20:00
16:14 <spidey> lol
16:15 <wrtlprnft> anyways, it's 5 hours 45 minutes now for sure
16:15 <spidey> well
16:15 <wrtlprnft> or was it 45 hours 5 minutes?
16:15 <spidey> i'ma go fix the module i broke
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16:16 <armabot> deja_vu,deja_vu_, wrtlprnft
16:16 <spidey> argh
16:16 <spidey> i hate xchat
16:16 <spidey> with a passion
16:16 <wrtlprnft> #herald remove #armagetron spidey
16:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:16 <wrtlprnft> :P
16:17 <spidey> lol
16:17 <spidey> so
16:17 <deja_vu_> -.-
16:17 <spidey> if i remove this line
16:17 <spidey> 0$a: border=0 align=\"center\" ALT=\"$user_regdate\">
16:17 <spidey> it should fix it
16:17 * spidey tries it
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16:18 <spidey> fuck
16:18 <spidey> anyways
16:18 <spidey> it worked ;D
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16:18 <spidey> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:18 * spidey notes if you click the tab bar it closes the current window
16:18 * spidey stabs xchat
16:19 <wrtlprnft> #google irssi
16:19 <wrtlprnft> in irssi you can't click anything!
16:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.25 seconds: Irssi: <http://www.irssi.org/>; Irssi - The client of the future: <http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs>; freshmeat.net: Project details for irssi: <http://freshmeat.net/projects/irssi/>; Debian -- irssi -text: <http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/irssi-text>; Debian -- Debian Package Search Results: <http://packages.debian.org/cgi- (2 more messages)
16:25 * wrtlprnft wonders what flight dynamics santa has
16:25 <wrtlprnft> last time i tried Flightgear i fell through the ground. Ooops
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16:34 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/
16:34 <spidey> woot don't i just own
16:34 <spidey> haha
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17:03 <anjori> php nuke is awful
17:04 <anjori> and every site looks the same :-/
17:12 <spidey> well
17:13 <spidey> i posted that because i broke it again
17:13 <spidey> but now i've fixed it
17:13 <spidey> and ontop of that,if i wasn't lazy i could just make a normal layout embed the modules and blocks in it
17:14 <spidey> then it'd be origonal
17:14 <spidey> but of course,i'm lazy
17:14 <anjori> or just use a better CMS
17:14 <spidey> post nuke sucks ass to
17:14 <anjori> yep
17:14 <spidey> so does portal
17:14 <anjori> portal? never heard of it
17:15 <spidey> cms's suck ingeneral :p
17:15 <anjori> nah
17:15 <anjori> you just know the wrong ones
17:15 <spidey> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=qi1&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=portal+nuke&spell=1
17:16 <anjori> if it ends in "nuke", it sucks
17:16 <anjori> just to make it simple ;)
17:16 <spidey> well
17:16 <spidey> lets say
17:17 <spidey> all cms's have there unique look
17:17 <spidey> it's how the user edits them if they look "different"
17:17 <anjori> but some are harder to edit than others
17:17 <spidey> phpnuke is easy
17:17 <spidey> lets put it this way
17:17 <anjori> and from what i've heard, always having new security holes exposed. like the "nukes"
17:17 <spidey> yesterday
17:18 <spidey> i knew nothing about phpnuke
17:18 <spidey> now i've already figured most of it out
17:18 <spidey> and,btw most nuke exploits
17:18 <spidey> are union exploits
17:18 <spidey> sentinal takes care of that
17:18 <spidey> which i run
17:19 <anjori> http://moby.com/
17:19 <anjori> http://www.ndp.ca/
17:19 <anjori> http://www.twit.tv/
17:20 <anjori> those all use the same CMS
17:20 <anjori> but are all unique
17:22 <spidey> exactly
17:22 <spidey> it's the user
17:22 <spidey> not the cms
17:22 <spidey> i choose to use a premade template
17:22 <spidey> because i'm lazy ;x
17:23 <anjori> oh. and theonion.com, too
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17:23 <spidey> goddamn it
17:23 <anjori> even the premade templates offer variety. every nuke site i see looks the same, but with different colours
17:24 <spidey> ......
17:24 <spidey> so you're saying it sucks because all the users decide to make a closely related template
17:24 <spidey> that's irrelavent :p
17:26 <wrtlprnft> it sucks because it's a pain to make a theme that actually looks different
17:26 <anjori> exactly
17:26 <anjori> wrtlprnft: have you/do you use a CMS?
17:26 <luke-jr_> WordPress can be decent
17:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't, all CMS suck by definition
17:27 <anjori> i played with wordpress, but found it didnt provide enough functionality
17:38 <luke-jr_> anjori: I've got the beginnings of a CMS that does CM only in the AA Svn
17:39 <luke-jr_> eg, you need to provide the content manually
17:40 * anjori is sold on Drupal
17:44 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
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17:50 <DrJoeTron> hey guys, question
17:50 <DrJoeTron> do i need to register irc?
17:50 <spidey> yea
17:50 <anjori> if you manage to register IRC, i will consider you god
17:51 <spidey> hahaha
17:51 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
17:51 <anjori> if you want to send PMs, you need to register your nick
17:51 <anjori> and it's a good idea in general, anyway. so other people don't take it and such
17:52 <DrJoeTron> so do i have to download this every 30 months
17:52 <DrJoeTron> or is this like winrar or winzip
17:52 <spidey> ?
17:52 <DrJoeTron> 30 dyas*
17:52 <spidey> mirc?
17:52 <DrJoeTron> yes
17:52 <spidey> ohhh
17:52 <anjori> oh
17:52 <spidey> you mean register the client
17:52 <anjori> you're talking about the app
17:52 <spidey> get rid of mirc
17:52 <spidey> hold on
17:52 <spidey> i'ma upload a client for you
17:52 <anjori> do you know, spidey? ive never used mirc
17:52 <spidey> yes
17:52 <spidey> you don't have to register it
17:53 <spidey> you can use it after the 30days
17:53 <spidey> but mirc sucks
17:53 * spidey uploads xchat2.0
17:53 <DrJoeTron> yeah
17:53 <spidey> i'll give you the one i gabe hayes :p
17:54 <anjori> for the record: IRC is a protocol and no single person controls it. there are many servers with various IRC channels (rooms) running, and various different programs (such as mirc) that you can use to connect to it
17:54 <spidey> do you have winrar?
17:54 <DrJoeTron> yes
17:54 <spidey> k
17:54 <DrJoeTron> its been so long since ive used mirc
17:55 <DrJoeTron> i feel like im back in 8th grade attempting to download games off of bots on dial up
17:55 <spidey> lol
17:56 <DrJoeTron> and i forgot all of the commands and fun shit like that
17:56 <DrJoeTron> i hate mirc
17:56 <spidey> i'm uploading something for you :p
17:56 <spidey> 3megs and my upload sucks so gimme a sec
17:56 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
17:56 <anjori> why not just give a link to the official page?
17:56 <spidey> get X-Chat.tar.bz2
17:56 <spidey> because it's not free anymore :p
17:56 <DrJoeTron> ,,,
17:57 <spidey> the version i got is the last free version they offered
17:57 <DrJoeTron> cant i just google free versions of irc?
17:57 <spidey> lol
17:57 <spidey> no
17:58 <anjori> x-chat isnt free? since when?
17:58 <anjori> just the win version, or all?
17:58 <spidey> win version
17:58 <anjori> that's shitty
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17:58 <spidey> i'm guessing you're on xchat
17:58 <spidey> so that means it's not all platforms :p
17:59 <anjori> well, i've had it installed awhile
17:59 <spidey> xchat comes with mepis
17:59 <anjori> i didnt know if they relicenced a new version or something
17:59 <spidey> even the new beta
17:59 <anjori> i've still got the old mepis and have updated x-chat from the debian repos
18:00 <spidey> well
18:00 <DrJoeTron> ok whats the last version number for window
18:00 <spidey> that should answer your question :p
18:00 <DrJoeTron> thatr was free
18:00 <spidey> DrJoeTron, the version i just linked you to
18:00 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/X-Chat.tar.bz2
18:00 <anjori> spidey, i don't see any sources along with the binary in your index. you're in violation of the GPL :P
18:01 <spidey> so?
18:01 <spidey> i'm in violation of alot of shit
18:01 * spidey doesn't care
18:01 <spidey> example
18:01 <spidey> the 3gigs of music i got off p2p
18:01 * DrJoeTron needs a damn shower
18:02 <spidey> the 50+gigs of movies i got off p2p
18:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: ?
18:02 <spidey> mpaa and raa,duh
18:02 <spidey> luke-jr_, pm
18:02 <DrJoeTron> alright, brb
18:02 <anjori> pfft. respect the licence, help the community prosper.
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18:03 <spidey> anjori, i don't have the source,they don't release it anymore i got that version off a friends server
18:03 <anjori> and it's legal to download music in canada, so my gigs upon gigs are irrelevant :)
18:03 <spidey> we wasn't talking about you
18:03 <spidey> <anjori> spidey, i don't see any sources along with the binary in your index. you're in violation of the GPL :P
18:03 <luke-jr_> anjori: Win binaries for X-Chat *are* free, just not gratis
18:03 <anjori> they were never GPLed?
18:04 <anjori> the wikipedia article is misleading, then
18:04 <anjori> i would have just gone to their site, but it appears to be down
18:04 <spidey> luke-jr_, no it's NOT
18:04 <spidey> ask vanhayes
18:04 <spidey> he got the new version,it has to be registered in 30 days
18:04 <spidey> how's that free? :)
18:04 <luke-jr_> so?
18:04 <luke-jr_> you can get the source
18:05 <luke-jr_> http://xchat.org/files/source/2.6/?S=D
18:05 <anjori> "As of August 23, 2004, the official Windows build of X-Chat has become shareware, and must be purchased for USD$20 or AUD$25 after a 30-day trial period. There has been a great deal of discussion about the legality of this move. Since the X-Chat project has not required copyright assignment, the maintainer of the X-Chat project does not actually hold copyright to the entirety of the code. While he has offered to remove and rewri
18:05 <anjori> te any patches, provided the author of the patches asks him to, there are many who feel that he is still in violation of the GPL, especially since the code for the shareware enforcement is not disclosed. Unofficial Windows builds of X-Chat are made available (at no cost) by contributors, who maintain binaries of the latest release, and also compile frequently from CVS"
18:05 <spidey> well if they wanna compile it they can have fun,remember they're on windows SO it's not so easy
18:05 <spidey> and i doubt van knows how to compile it
18:05 <luke-jr_> ah, right
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18:06 <luke-jr_> they might technically be violating the GPL in a strict sense
18:06 <luke-jr_> since they don't provide the compiler
18:06 <DrJoeTron> ok
18:06 <spidey> xchat?
18:06 <DrJoeTron> aye
18:06 <spidey> :)
18:06 <luke-jr_> however, I have never seen any Windows software abide by the GPL strictly
18:06 <DrJoeTron> thanks pal :)
18:06 <spidey> np
18:06 <anjori> i didnt know they had to provide a compiler
18:07 <luke-jr_> anjori: compiler is considered part of the source unless it comes w/ the OS
18:07 <wrtlprnft> don't they have to provide the kernel as well to run it?
18:07 <luke-jr_> no, that comes w/ the OS
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and the monitor to run it on?
18:07 <anjori> how is one to know if it comes with the OS, though?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and the electrical power you need to run the computer?
18:07 <luke-jr_> anjori: you look at what's shipped with it usually? =p
18:08 <wrtlprnft> does armagetronad provide a copy of GCC?
18:08 <luke-jr_> not AFAIK
18:08 <anjori> if they just provide general source for linux, some distros have a compiler, some dont
18:08 <anjori> for example, ubuntu doesnt come with gcc.
18:08 <wrtlprnft> gentoo does :)
18:09 <luke-jr_> anjori: so technically Ubuntu packages should have a notice on how to install a compiler! =p
18:09 <anjori> my point is, though, you dont know. even it being for linux, not every distro comes with a compiler. that seems like an absurd requirement
18:09 <luke-jr_> or rather, where to get it
18:09 <luke-jr_> anjori: the requirement is for the OS "it is designed to run on"
18:09 <luke-jr_> and applies only to binaries
18:09 <luke-jr_> most binaries do target a specific OS
18:10 <luke-jr_> and while a Debian package might coincidentally work on Ubuntu
18:10 <luke-jr_> it's designed for Debian
18:11 <anjori> still seems to go too far for my liking
18:12 <spidey> now anjori objects to everything GPL,gj luke-jr_ you have a disiple :p
18:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, pm *stab*
18:13 <anjori> i'm increasingly leaning toward a BSD licence for when i start writing/releasing things. especially all the bullshit clauses i've heard that may be in v3.
18:13 <DrJoeTron> alright how do i register to this channel?
18:13 <spidey> you don't
18:13 <spidey> you register to the server
18:13 <spidey> type
18:13 <spidey> /msg nickserv register password
18:13 <spidey> password = password you want to use
18:14 <DrJoeTron> ok
18:14 <DrJoeTron> thats it?
18:14 <spidey> ya
18:15 <spidey> then everytime you connect to this server type /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
18:15 <luke-jr_> anjori: you could just use v2 =p
18:15 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: or get your client to do it for you
18:15 <luke-jr_> anyway, I don't see anyone complaining about lack of AA providing a compiler
18:15 <luke-jr_> that requirement is primarily there for embedded stuff
18:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: identify
18:16 <anjori> that's not as bad, but there's still a couple things i don't like about that, either. and i've been meaing to ask about that, actually.
18:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, you identify
18:16 <spidey> i am
18:16 <anjori> when it says "version 2 or later" does that mean later, at my option, or later if the person receiving the code decides to up it?
18:16 <luke-jr_> don't need to identify to receive PMs =p
18:16 <spidey> i didn't get a pm
18:17 <spidey> so,you identify
18:17 <luke-jr_> anjori: the person receiving the code, but that's not part of the license
18:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: neither did I
18:17 <spidey> i didn't pm
18:17 <spidey> ;x
18:17 <luke-jr_> anjori: for example, Linux is licensed *only* under GPLv2
18:17 * wrtlprnft opted in to accept PMs from unregistered people
18:18 <anjori> ah, okay.
18:18 <luke-jr_> and provided you keep the copyright to all code, you can always relicense later
18:18 <anjori> then what's this talk of they may not licence it under v3. wouldn't it be a huge task to get permission from every one who's ever contributed--pas and present--to relicence it?
18:18 <luke-jr_> but if every contributor owns their copyright, then you're stuck with the choice
18:19 <luke-jr_> anjori: last I heard, nobody was seriously trying to relicense it
18:19 <luke-jr_> because yes, they *would* need to get permission from everyone
18:19 <luke-jr_> further, nobody is enforcing the v2, why would they bother with the v3?
18:21 * luke-jr_ would love it if someone started enforcing the GPLv2 with Linux
18:21 <luke-jr_> especially if they got actual compliance
18:22 * anjori doesn't know enough about that to get into it
18:23 <luke-jr_> heh
18:23 <luke-jr_> there's a number of violations
18:23 <DrJoeTron> spidey nickserv didnt work
18:23 <luke-jr_> the most notable being nVidia and ATi
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18:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey: DrJoeTron doesn't get any reply from nickserv, and he isn't registered either, even though he sent both the register and identify messages
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18:25 <pta> test
18:25 <pta> hi
18:25 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:25 <spidey> ??
18:25 <spidey> is that wrtl again?
18:25 <NARROW> hi
18:25 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
18:26 <wrtlprnft> pta plays on BF sometimes
18:26 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: HAK !
18:27 <pta> sometimes is good ^^
18:27 <pta> mal ne frage, ab wann wird der itw-server denn offen sein? weiss des jemand?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> keine ahnung
18:28 <pta> w?rd mir den n?mlich vor dem battle gern mal anschaun
18:28 <luke-jr_> wtf
18:28 <pta> hoffentlich ist er dann wenigstens heut abend da ;)
18:28 <wrtlprnft> surprise tournament
18:28 <luke-jr_> heut gern vor dann ist jemand!
18:29 <wrtlprnft> as z-man said, the same way you don't know the weather before some sports tournament
18:29 <anjori> #armagetron.de ?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't exist, or does it?
18:29 <anjori> it was a suggestion :P
18:29 <luke-jr_> nah, we're not that busy here
18:29 <luke-jr_> de is fine lol
18:29 <luke-jr_> no need to segregate the channels
18:29 * anjori hates not understanding shit
18:30 <luke-jr_> babelfish =p
18:30 * DrJoeTron feels the same way
18:30 <luke-jr_> or you can try to make conversation w/ understanding
18:30 <luke-jr_> liek I do
18:30 <luke-jr_> I haven't a clue what the heck I just said in de earlier
18:30 <DrJoeTron> in that case i just make snyde remarks
18:30 <luke-jr_> w/o*
18:30 <DrJoeTron> and i dont want to do that just yet
18:31 <luke-jr_> what did I say, anyhow?
18:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft:
18:31 <anjori> just seems rude. like if i was talking to someone in code in a public channel
18:31 <z-man> today like before then is someone!
18:32 <luke-jr_> lol
18:33 <anjori> so what time is this tournament actually at? i doubt i'll be able to make it, and time conversions suck
18:33 <H_A_K> hi
18:33 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: hi
18:33 <H_A_K> hi
18:33 <NARROW> 8 pm
18:33 <NARROW> it is gmt
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18:34 <NARROW> 3h 26m
18:35 <luke-jr_> H_A_K: hi
18:35 <spidey> luke-jr_, hi
18:35 <luke-jr_> spidey: hi
18:36 <anjori> anjori: hi
18:36 <H_A_K> All:hi
18:36 <luke-jr_> hi~!
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18:36 <luke-jr_> lol
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18:37 <DrJoeTron> yo
18:37 <NARROW> welcome back
18:41 <DrJoeTron> damn i cant get this battery to charge
18:43 <DrJoeTron> no where to play on tron :/
18:45 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wanna start a game?
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18:53 <spidey> can i send someone a email?
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19:04 <DrJoeTron> man nitro rc cars are expensive
19:05 <spidey> but fast
19:05 <spidey> if i had one i'd race street cars ;D
19:06 <spidey> actually
19:06 <spidey> when i start working im' getting one
19:07 <spidey> and Lucifer_arma is gonna buy me a airplane
19:07 <spidey> so i can fly down there and harrass him ;x
19:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
19:08 <DrJoeTron> then you swerve and get crushed
19:08 <spidey> :/
19:08 <DrJoeTron> my old plane
19:08 <spidey> mm
19:08 <spidey> it might be cheaper to build one
19:08 <DrJoeTron> i just took the transmittor, battery, and the motors off
19:09 <DrJoeTron> maybe i can built something with them
19:09 <DrJoeTron> like a flying box kite
19:09 <spidey> lol
19:10 <spidey> fuck
19:10 <spidey> i'm getting tired of killing wasps
19:11 <DrJoeTron> white anglo saxon protestants?
19:11 <DrJoeTron> kill whitey!
19:11 <spidey> er
19:12 <spidey> crushed it
19:12 <DrJoeTron> :p
19:13 <spidey> i wanna know how these fuckin things keep getting in my room
19:13 <spidey> this makes the 4th one
19:13 <luke-jr_> kill protestants?
19:14 <spidey> http://www.towerhobbies.com/products/greatplanes/gpma1865.html
19:14 <spidey> i want it
19:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: we should go join ~|DS~MGT~P1|~ on your server
19:16 <spidey> awe but i'm looking at rc gas planes :<
19:16 <spidey> ok,i'm coming
19:16 <luke-jr_> lol
19:16 <DrJoeTron> haha that looks cool
19:33 <DrJoeTron> damn!
19:33 <DrJoeTron> opera for ds does not support aim express
19:33 <wrtlprnft> wtf is aim express?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> it should support IRC :)
19:34 <wrtlprnft> though typing will be a pain
19:34 <DrJoeTron> aol instant messager
19:34 <DrJoeTron> the web browser version
19:34 <DrJoeTron> aim express
19:34 <wrtlprnft> what does it use?
19:34 <DrJoeTron> i think java
19:34 <wrtlprnft> well
19:34 <DrJoeTron> im not sure,
19:35 <wrtlprnft> java is a plugin
19:35 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/24/spending-some-time-with-the-ds-browser/
19:39 * wrtlprnft doesn't have a DS
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but i do use opera, so if i had one I'd certainly buy it
19:40 <DrJoeTron> hehe
19:41 <DrJoeTron> i love my ds
19:41 <DrJoeTron> mario kart ds is alot of fun playing online
19:41 <DrJoeTron> along with tetris
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19:45 <spidey> lol
19:45 <spidey> i still want fortress sty
19:45 <spidey> O.o
19:46 <luke-jr_> so configure it
19:46 <luke-jr_> it's your server
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19:54 <spidey> it's set ;D
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> can't kill the protestants
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> we need them to carpet-bomb the Vatican and nuke the kingdom of Muhammed
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> besides, the fuckers'll kill themselves if you wait long enough, so there's no need to kill any protestants
20:02 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, come to U.S.FortressSty ;D
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20:05 * spidey slaps Vanhayes
20:05 <spidey> syou playing in the itw in a few hours?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> two hours to be exact
20:06 <wrtlprnft> one hour and 53 minutes to be even more exact
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20:07 <spidey> if not i think me and wrtlprnft can take them
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20:07 * wrtlprnft didn't play fortress for a while
20:07 <spidey> oh
20:07 <spidey> and anjori
20:07 <spidey> and Lucifer_arma if he plays
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, I'm here, maybe I can play
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> when is it?
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> 2pm?
20:08 <spidey> in 2 hours
20:08 <spidey> 3pm
20:08 <wrtlprnft> in one hour 51 minutes 15 seconds
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we'll have to see. Depends on whether or not my family is home by then. ;)
20:08 <Vanhayes> o ya the inter tron is today
20:09 <spidey> Vanhayes, come to U.S.FortressSty
20:09 <Vanhayes> ok, I was gonna test tron anyway
20:09 <Vanhayes> er fort with shooting?
20:09 <spidey> :D
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> alright, ping me when it's 20 minutes or so to game time and I'll see :)
20:14 <Vanhayes> spidey: ya still have that weird lag thing, so I cant play
20:15 <Vanhayes> tell me if you need someone to fill the 5th place though caus eI can just drive in circles
20:15 <Vanhayes> er squares anyway
20:19 <DrJoeTron> ha
20:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i guess i should play this tournament on my other machine
20:31 <wrtlprnft> I get >100fps there :)
20:37 <spidey> Vanhayes, yes you have to play
20:37 <spidey> me wrtlprnft Lucifer_arma anjori is only 4
20:38 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, might not play
20:38 <spidey> :<
20:38 <Vanhayes> er like I said I cant really play but I can be there
20:38 <Vanhayes> people only move in the straight line that the start out in on my screen
20:38 <Vanhayes> they*
20:39 <spidey> well
20:39 <spidey> you could always sweep then run into a wall
20:39 <spidey> ;D
20:40 <Vanhayes> heh i;ll try to grind then break and head for the rim and die
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha, my kids love the santa model
20:48 <philippeqc> anyone know the fortress conquest, defense and drift rate for z-man's server?
20:51 <spidey> default?
20:51 <philippeqc> and that would be in the config file
20:51 <philippeqc> ;)
20:51 <philippeqc> thanks
20:54 <luke-jr_> I thought it wasn't default
20:54 <luke-jr_> but rather in examples
20:55 <philippeqc> still building the map, havent looked them up yet, but thanks for the tip
20:59 <philippeqc> .5 .25 and .1
21:02 <wrtlprnft> spidey: philippeqc DrJoeTron Vanhayes go to US fortress :D
21:03 <spidey> ?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> there's runaway zombies now
21:03 <DrJoeTron> eh
21:03 <spidey> which one
21:03 <wrtlprnft> yours
21:03 <DrJoeTron> ok
21:03 <philippeqc> ok
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and you get points for catching them
21:03 <spidey> there's 2 fortress servers
21:03 <spidey> the sty one or the normal?
21:03 <Vanhayes> o ya that reminds me has anyone tried the ITW server, and if they had is the conquer rate longer?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> sty
21:04 <Vanhayes> argh tron froze again
21:05 <luke-jr_> spidey: restart your server, it's starting to hiccup
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21:15 <wrtlprnft> #g 400/5
21:15 <armabot> 400 / 5 = 80
21:22 <luke-jr_> #g 4OO/5
21:22 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:22 <luke-jr_> it doesn't like me
21:22 <luke-jr_> ;)
21:24 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: FYI, you need to let spidey know about changes so they get into settings_custom
21:24 <luke-jr_> else they're lost on a restart
21:25 <luke-jr_> and sty code is buggy, so that happens
21:26 <spidey> luke-jr_, server crashed
21:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:26 <luke-jr_> O.o
21:26 * spidey blames wrtlprnft
21:26 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191024.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:26 <wrtlprnft> in the end only 2 settings differed
21:26 <spidey> se
21:26 <spidey> sec
21:26 <spidey> i'ma check the logs
21:26 <wrtlprnft> shot_velocity_mult was the same value, just negative
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and filter_color_codes was 1
21:26 <DrJoeTron> timed out?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> that's all i kept changed
21:27 <spidey> wow
21:27 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> what happened?
21:27 <spidey> a shitload of user does not know about netobkects
21:27 <spidey> objects
21:27 <wrtlprnft> that might be zone bugs or just extreme lag
21:28 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't depend on whether the shots come out front or back
21:28 -!- Narrow [n=54b00062@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's sty code
21:28 <Narrow> hi all
21:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's still buggy
21:29 <luke-jr_> groundpig's server is less effected since it has a ton more RAM
21:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah
21:29 <DrJoeTron> sometimes whenthat happens everyone times out
21:29 <DrJoeTron> or its just one big jump
21:29 <spidey> ok i restarted it
21:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: should restart your server when it starts to have issues
21:29 <spidey> well
21:29 <spidey> all the settings are back to normal :/
21:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i'll change that in a minute
21:30 <wrtlprnft> i have another idea
21:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: settings_config =p
21:30 <spidey> no
21:30 <luke-jr_> err
21:30 <luke-jr_> custom
21:30 <spidey> it's got a big ass list of settings already
21:31 <spidey> although could make it deathmatch
21:31 <wrtlprnft> fortress is pointless
21:32 <spidey> well,it didn't go the way i wanted it to
21:32 <spidey> like people defend and get shot at,that's why i lowered the radius
21:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i just put all the settings back in
21:32 <wrtlprnft> come join me
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21:33 <spidey> er
21:33 <spidey> i'm looking at planes
21:33 <spidey> :/
21:34 <DrJoeTron> i want mine now :(
21:34 <spidey> er
21:36 <Vanhayes_> er when is that ITW thing?
21:37 <spidey> 30 minutes
21:37 <Vanhayes_> ok
21:37 <wrtlprnft> 23
21:38 <z-man> INFO: THE ITW SERVER HAS NO RUBBER INDUCED TAIL SHRINKAGE!
21:38 <spidey> awe
21:38 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:38 <wrtlprnft> that sucks
21:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man: why didn
21:39 <Vanhayes_> I think the fortress conquer is longer too, unless that is just for single player
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 't you put it in fortress_physics.cfg earlier?
21:43 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191024.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:43 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
21:47 <luke-jr_> we should have an option where
21:47 <luke-jr_> instead of rubber...
21:47 <luke-jr_> when you're hitting a wall, your tail shrinks
21:47 <luke-jr_> and when it catches you, yuo die
21:49 <spidey> http://www.trendtimes.com/rc-wall-climber.html
21:49 <spidey> wtf
21:50 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
21:50 <DrJoeTron> i remember these
21:50 <DrJoeTron> i want that itty bitty helicopter
21:51 <DrJoeTron> http://www.hobbytron.com/ElectricRCMiniDragonflyHelicopter.html
21:52 <spidey> grr
21:52 <spidey> i don't like you anymore
21:52 <spidey> i clicked that link and it closed the one i was looking at :<
21:52 <luke-jr_> spidey: restart your server plz
21:52 <luke-jr_> upgrade
21:52 * philippeqc notice that everybody is working on their own special projects
21:53 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: ?
21:53 <philippeqc> we have shooting, tail is rubber, zones. what next?
21:53 <luke-jr_> we have tail-is-rubber now?
21:53 <philippeqc> z-man just announced it
21:53 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I'm working on tCode
21:53 <philippeqc> ok, its more general usage ;)
21:53 <luke-jr_> z-man announced that tails work like normal
21:54 <philippeqc> z-man INFO: THE ITW SERVER HAS NO RUBBER INDUCED TAIL SHRINKAGE!
21:54 <philippeqc> that is not what I read
21:54 <luke-jr_> the server lacks shrinkage caused by rubber
21:55 <luke-jr_> the tail used to shrink when rubber was being used
21:55 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:55 <z-man> Umm, the ITW server is full, who is there that doesn't belong there?
21:56 * luke-jr_ goes :)
21:56 <spidey> i'm not there
21:56 <spidey> :/
21:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Vanhayes Lucifer_arma ,you coming?
21:56 <Vanhayes> im in
21:56 <spidey> anjori, ?
21:57 <z-man> Vanhayes: then tell the people who should not be playing to quit, please :)
21:57 <Vanhayes> heh ok
21:57 <spidey> 'er
21:58 <spidey> i don't see the server
21:58 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
21:58 <Vanhayes> its the one with most people in it
21:58 * spidey pokes Vanhayes
21:58 <philippeqc> z-man, I dont see any servers with ITW
21:58 <spidey> me either
21:59 <z-man> philippeqc: it starts with -=|LOD|=-
21:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: sorry, try restarting it again
22:00 <philippeqc> ITW: international Tron World cup thigny
22:00 <spidey> it's full
22:00 <philippeqc> i though it was a test server with tail lenght = rubber
22:00 <Vanhayes> too many germans there plus people not on either team
22:00 <spidey> ya
22:01 <spidey> tell half them to leave :p
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> just a sec, gotta get some tea
22:01 <z-man> Where is Lucifer_arma?
22:01 <luke-jr_> what happens if you play a server recording on a client?
22:02 <spidey> lol?
22:03 <philippeqc> yeah! double fortress zones, and they move (kinda)
22:03 <Vanhayes> spidey are you ther yet?
22:03 <spidey> no!
22:03 <spidey> it's full
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> the server is full!
22:03 <spidey> i done said :/
22:03 <spidey> ok
22:03 <spidey> now i'm there
22:03 <Lucifer_arma> kick some of them
22:03 <spidey> and i'm pink :/
22:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still not in
22:05 <Vanhayes> heh three lucifers will be in there
22:05 <Lucifer_arma> don't do that OSD shit for me, will ya? ;) kills fps...
22:06 <spidey> anjori?
22:07 <Vanhayes> anjori: ITW is starting if you can make it
22:11 <spidey> ok this shit's getting old
22:11 <spidey> everytime i minimize tron and clock offscreen x crashes
22:11 <spidey> wrtlprnft, Lucifer_arma Vanhayes tell ady to kick someone
22:11 <spidey> i can't get in :<
22:12 <luke-jr_> what happens if you play a server recording on a client?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: won't work
22:14 <luke-jr_> how so
22:17 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-219-178.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
22:17 <philippeqc> who do I tell a server to have finite length wall
22:17 <philippeqc> I tryed giving it WALLS_LENGTH 2
22:17 <madmax|pt> hi
22:17 <philippeqc> but to no result
22:17 <luke-jr_> WALLS_LENGTH takes effect next round
22:17 <luke-jr_> if single player, prefix SP_
22:17 <Vanhayes> hey madmax|pt
22:18 <philippeqc> it is the next round
22:18 <philippeqc> WALLS_LENGTH 3
22:18 <philippeqc> [0] WALLS_LENGTH changed from 2 to 3.
22:18 <philippeqc> but they are still infinite
22:19 <luke-jr_> and multiplayer?
22:20 <philippeqc> multiplayer
22:21 <luke-jr_> who else is playing?
22:22 <philippeqc> I'm alone trying to debug something on my own server
22:24 <philippeqc> I'm not crazy, the server tells me:
22:24 <philippeqc> walls_length 50
22:24 <philippeqc> [0] WALLS_LENGTH changed from 3 to 50.
22:24 <philippeqc> the value IS changed, how come I dont see it on the client
22:26 <philippeqc> ^^^ that was the message as returned by the server
22:29 <luke-jr_> because it's not multiplayer
22:29 <luke-jr_> if you're alone
22:29 <luke-jr_> that's single player
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22:30 <philippeqc> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
22:30 <philippeqc> ty
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone up for some tron?
22:31 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: they're all playing some tourney
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how about you?
22:31 <luke-jr_> I'm fixing bugs
22:31 <luke-jr_> and working on tCode
22:31 <philippeqc> fixing zones
22:32 <Vanhayes> [Xpert]DarkStar: do you play fortress?
22:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> rarely
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22:33 <Vanhayes> well, if you want Join lod inter tron server as Vanhayes|NAFTA and you could play in the tourney
22:33 <Vanhayes> everytime I connect to a server it freezes for me
22:33 <philippeqc> ty luke-jr_
22:34 <DrJoeTron> im not a real big fan of fortress
22:34 <philippeqc> dark, have a try at "zone v2 test server"
22:34 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: np
22:38 <philippeqc> is there a way to tell the server to reload settings_dedicated ?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of incompetent server admins this server has
22:49 <philippeqc> lol
22:49 <philippeqc> I have to keep quiet on that topic, seing the type of admin I am ;)
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22:52 <philippeqc> the coloration of text, is it really 0xRRGGBB with RR going from 00 to FF?
22:53 <Narrow> in armagetron?
22:53 <philippeqc> 0x007FFF should be azure (shade of blue) but appears green on white text
22:53 <philippeqc> yes
22:53 <Narrow> so you have the answer
22:54 <philippeqc> it seems off
22:54 <philippeqc> it doesnt show the right color it seems
22:54 <Narrow> for armagetron, right is somethim different
22:55 <philippeqc> lol
22:55 <Narrow> but i can't help
22:55 <philippeqc> :(
22:55 <Narrow> sorry
22:56 <Narrow> you can only try every combination
22:56 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: include settings_dedicated.cfg
22:57 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: I think it's maybe BBGGRR
22:57 <luke-jr_> see source of the beta server list
22:58 <Narrow> for me it is now 22:58, so i go to bed
22:58 <Narrow> good night
22:58 <philippeqc> cya
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22:58 <Vanhayes> spidey: wrtlprnft Lucifer_arma Im done eating, but the ITW server is full
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> thanks for killing me, Van
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> don't do that osd shit :)
22:58 * Lucifer_arma closes irc
22:58 <Vanhayes> lol
22:58 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:00 <philippeqc> upper case is not accepted
23:00 <philippeqc> it is on the wiki
23:02 * luke-jr_ notes Lucifer is the dummy who lets his client pop up
23:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5819 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/: branch for tCode
23:05 <z-man> Guess I'm out of the german team :)
23:06 <wrtlprnft> :S
23:06 * wrtlprnft left
23:06 <wrtlprnft> they can push their ITW up their own ass
23:06 <Vanhayes> did you both get kicked?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> no
23:06 <wrtlprnft> i pressed shift-esc
23:07 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
23:07 <wrtlprnft> wb Lucifer_arma
23:07 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of losers
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> re
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> so what were they saying in german? ;)
23:07 <wrtlprnft> let's all go to BF fortress
23:07 <wrtlprnft> foul language, partly
23:07 <z-man> I for kicked now
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> actually I've gotta go work on dinner pretty soon
23:07 <z-man> wht did I get kicked? do you know?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, all of gold left, so they probably were able to kick you
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I think all of gold left :)
23:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5820 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/armagetronad/src/tools/ (. tCodeAST.cpp tCodeAST.h tCodeParser.ypp): tCode code
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go smoke, we've got plenty of time to gather together to bitch. :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> but did anybody manage a recording?
23:09 <luke-jr_> we should organize an official tournament ;)
23:09 <z-man> My client recorded, but it's current SVN
23:09 <z-man> I think wrtl did a better one
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice to show some screenshots of the scores. 6-4 and they still had to fight for every inch. :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> our team played very well, I'm very impressed
23:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man: no, i didn't do anything since he kicked my recorder, remember?
23:10 <z-man> I didn't really watch
23:10 <z-man> was too busy discussing
23:10 <luke-jr_> z-man: any way to make server recordings work on a client?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> SPOON had the same problem, though
23:10 <luke-jr_> or rather, render frames?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think my team went 6-5 at one point
23:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: which problem?
23:10 <z-man> luke-jr_: not currently
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> but at least there most teams had people willing to leave so the match would be even
23:11 <z-man> Yeah, I really should have been the teamchief
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: we just played the German team, and most of the German team (not all) and the guy running the tourney decided that 7-4 was fair
23:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: use bots?
23:11 <z-man> then I'd have decided who should play and who not
23:12 <z-man> I didn't want that, because I don't know the players
23:12 <luke-jr_> z-man: easy, kick the ones who die first =p
23:12 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: can we make it an admin decision that the ITW sucks?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: ummmm, only if Tank votes too :)
23:12 <z-man> We need only 2 votes in favor, remember?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> see, you're on the team that benefited, and I'm on the team that got screwed, so stalemate
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, hmmm
23:13 <luke-jr_> we should organize an official tournament, sponsoring development =p
23:13 <z-man> But I'd still vote that it sucks :)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like a vote of condemnation, like the UN condemning Israel for invading Lebanon
23:13 <z-man> Besides, I don't think I'm still on the team :)
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:14 <spidey> i would like to state
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think if I'd personally have been in practice we'd have won
23:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah, z-man should organize a tournament :)
23:14 <spidey> germany won't make it past the next match
23:14 <luke-jr_> anyhow, current tCode is in Svn
23:14 <spidey> me and hayes killed them all
23:14 <spidey> s:D
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: not if they show up with the team they showed up with tonight (assuming they don't piss off z-man again)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> assuming the *do* piss off z-man again
23:15 <spidey> haha
23:16 * wrtlprnft thinks he's supid because he joined that thing in the first place
23:16 <luke-jr_> should I add (( expr )) or is that best left for later?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i only joined because Vanhayes did
23:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i'll have a look at it tomorrow
23:16 <Vanhayes> he ya Im regretting joining the ITW
23:16 <wrtlprnft> too tired and angry right now
23:16 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it doesn't work yet, just parses and compiles
23:16 <Vanhayes> heh*
23:17 <Vanhayes> so many problems all around
23:17 <wrtlprnft> I'd just find out that it sucks and makes me angry if i looked at it right now
23:17 <wrtlprnft> probably wrongly
23:17 <wrtlprnft> so I'll have a fresh look at it tomorrow :)
23:17 <luke-jr_> at least tell me if the tCodeAST.h is decent? =p
23:18 <luke-jr_> or I could just summarize how I structured it
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Expr is a shared_ptr to an expression
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Null is the base expression, useless on its own
23:18 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::BinaryOp is a base for binary operators
23:19 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Add is an addition binop
23:19 <luke-jr_> tCode::Expr::Integer is an integer literal
23:19 <wrtlprnft> i see i'll have to have a look at it right now
23:19 <luke-jr_> nah, I just summarized enough for you to say if the design is C++ enough
23:19 <luke-jr_> =p
23:19 <wrtlprnft> can't say from names
23:20 <luke-jr_> Add is a subclass of BinaryOp which is a subclass of Null
23:20 <luke-jr_> BinaryOp implements a (left, right) constructor
23:20 <wrtlprnft> that's about what i planned for tValue
23:20 <luke-jr_> ok, so it's good then I guess =p
23:21 <luke-jr_> just need to make it work heh
23:22 * wrtlprnft is getting random 503 Service Unavailable responses while trying to browse svn online
23:22 <luke-jr_> O.o
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> hey luke-jr_ , you willing to host a tourney on that fancy server of yours?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> i get ~300ms of ping there
23:23 <wrtlprnft> on BF i get ~50ms
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> we could do a project tournament....
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, here's the thing
23:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: an official one sponsoring the project, sure =p
23:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: everyone else gets better ping =p
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking we could have several referees with clear rules that could radmin in
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> bugfarm is the place to host it, but for obvious reasons z-man can't hand out radmin to it
23:24 <wrtlprnft> right
23:24 <luke-jr_> bugfarm has higher pings too =p
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'd be willing to referee some night matches in my timezone
23:24 <luke-jr_> is it possible to make it require a radmin to place people on teams?
23:24 <wrtlprnft> maybe z-man can get another one of those tryout vservers for the matches=
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking, you know, in the first match, we stayed in the game until the end. One or two zone conquests along with the kill rate we were getting and we would've won
23:25 <luke-jr_> eg, people can't join teams-- radmin assigns them
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> and the other team had all the advantages, low pings, numbers, etc.
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> so germany moves on to the next round, but nafta played better :)
23:25 <z-man> luke-jr_: sounds like a good idea
23:26 <z-man> but it doesn't help agaist f**** up rules
23:26 * z-man wonders whether he got the right number of *s
23:26 <luke-jr_> z-man: if we're running it, we decide the rules =p
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> no it doesn't. That's kinda why luke-jr_ 's suggestion of running a tournament for the project attracts me
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23:26 <luke-jr_> for one thing, single elimination sounds like a bad idea
23:26 <z-man> Yeah, of course, then we couldn't play for fairness reasons
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23:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i could host a server
23:27 <spidey> 100mbit connection
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, single elimination isn't terrible when you have real seed rounds
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: LOL
23:27 <spidey> ;D
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: is it on a mac? ;)
23:27 <z-man> knockout is fine by me, adds an element of luck
23:27 <spidey> no
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: yeah and watch them shut you down 5 min in
23:27 <spidey> redhat
23:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's on his web host's server =p
23:27 <spidey> si run it on my webserver
23:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: they don't know what SSH is, really
23:27 <luke-jr_> and he takes advantage of that
23:27 <spidey> they do know
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> a little nohup? ;)
23:27 <Vanhayes> hei always thought that if you had at least 5 people the other team uses that amount of players
23:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: not really
23:28 <Vanhayes> I*
23:28 <spidey> me to
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's how most of the teams in the SPOON played it, but there were at least two matches I know of where both teams agreed to let one team have one extra
23:28 <z-man> Vanhayes: me too, it's even my last post on the forum thread.
23:28 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we can ssh in and run rsync, while the host admins argue they don't have it
23:28 <z-man> I'm just posting to complain that that wasn't corrected before the match started
23:28 <spidey> hahahah
23:28 <spidey> indeed
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, in that little argument I started on the wiki, my main complaint was that there weren't clearly posted rules :)
23:29 <spidey> ya
23:29 <spidey> he said a alliance could be made of teams with to many players
23:29 <spidey> us for one
23:29 <spidey> he said we wasn't a valid team
23:29 <luke-jr_> any way to allow the tournament to have Deathmatch and Sty options?
23:29 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what's so hard about making fair rules...
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> but we would've had to join the US team to begin with
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, luke-jr_ . It should be a bigger tournament.
23:29 <wrtlprnft> both teams are guaranteed to ba able to play with at least 5 people
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> Give away like 3-4 trophies instead of just one
23:30 <wrtlprnft> if both teams have more, they can both play with more, providing it stays balanced
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> let players participate in the several different branches
23:30 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was thinking home vs away games, where the home team decided the game logic and mode and stuff
23:30 <wrtlprnft> what about putting the winner into the project somewhere?
23:30 <wrtlprnft> like an AWSOME_PLAYERS file
23:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: heh, nice idea ;)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of getting edd to make some really awesome trophy models and digitally sign them with the winning players' names
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> so you get a picture of an awesome trophy :)
23:31 <luke-jr_> I was thinking you get 50% of the fees or something =p
23:32 <spidey> bug in firefox!
23:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: nothing new
23:32 <spidey> :/
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of prize money depends on how many people are actually going to fork out the cash for it
23:32 <luke-jr_> or maybe let each player decide how much to put in the pot and have their potential earnings based on that
23:32 <luke-jr_> so free players can't win anything
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, if we say $5 to play, and that means only 10 people sign up, what's the use?
23:32 <spidey> omg
23:32 <spidey> it crashed again
23:32 <spidey> :/
23:32 <luke-jr_> if you put in $10 to play, you get more than someone who puts in $5
23:32 <luke-jr_> assuming you both scored the same
23:32 <wrtlprnft> no money, please
23:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe we could take edd's trophy image and put it on the title screen for one version?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> that ignores the underlying question, which is how many people will *not* sign up because they don't have any money or don't want to pay?
23:33 <philippeqc> anyone want to try multiple fortress zones?
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, there's something there
23:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if we do a "potential earnings based on playing fee", then there's the option to not put anything in
23:33 <wrtlprnft> I'd think twice before giving money like that
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> we could have a special winners circle for tournaments in the game that shows the trophies
23:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: your potential winnings are just less
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't do it at all, it's unfairness built into the system
23:34 <luke-jr_> hm
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, we could "bless" tournaments run by anyone and put the results of the tournament inside the game in future versions
23:35 <luke-jr_> if they're run by anyone, we can't be sure of fairness in rules and judgement
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> where "bless" is based on our own well-defined and posted standards of fair play :)
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> can't is a bad word
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> figure out how we *can* instead of complaining that we can't
23:35 <luke-jr_> we can by taking control of it =p
23:35 <luke-jr_> eg, appeals and nonsense like that
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's fairly easy. I'd gladly bless SPOON and the LADLE, but I wouldn't bless this ITW
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> psyko's tournament was probably fair, if poorly organized. I don't know, I didn't participate. heh
23:36 <Vanhayes> well its fair unless he is both psyko and leeroy
23:36 <spidey> lol
23:36 <Vanhayes> then it is rigged
23:37 <spidey> should have them both play at the sametime
23:37 <spidey> that'd solve it
23:37 <Vanhayes> heh they are both in the finals
23:37 <spidey> really
23:37 <Vanhayes> only 2 left
23:37 <spidey> that'll be intresting
23:37 <Vanhayes> if anyone gets to see it
23:38 <spidey> ya
23:38 <DrJoeTron> my plane came in :D
23:38 <luke-jr_> so what would be wrong with a potential winnings figure?
23:39 <Vanhayes> well seems like my weird lagg problem isnt a flooded connection, unless that only affects version 0.3
23:39 <Vanhayes> .2.8 works fine
23:39 <spidey> hayes you should have did that earlier
23:39 <spidey> we might have did better :p
23:40 <Vanhayes> well im still getting used to .2.8.2 glances again
23:40 <Vanhayes> it was still screwed up when i first tried it but now works fine
23:49 <spidey> argh
23:49 <spidey> i'm mad
23:49 <spidey> firefox keeps closgin
23:50 <spidey> does konqueror have tabs
23:50 <spidey> ?
23:52 <luke-jr_> Konqueror is the best browser
23:52 <luke-jr_> of course ti does
23:52 <spidey> using it for now
23:52 <spidey> till i figure out why firefox is being gay
23:53 <spidey> luke-jr_, we should do a sty tourny ;x
23:54 <spidey> i think i just coughed up every bit of tar i've ever gotten from cigarettes
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23:55 <spidey> 'er
23:57 <spidey> weird
23:57 <spidey> konqueror is loading slow
23:58 <spidey> uptime
23:58 <spidey> 'eer
23:58 <spidey> 16:58:22 up 1:49, 1 user, load average: 4.61, 2.01, 1.39
23:58 <spidey> that could be a problem
23:58 <spidey> :/
23:59 <spidey> ahah
23:59 <spidey> xorg is using all the cpu cycle
Log from 2006-07-25:
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00:04 <spidey> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
00:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: what about the home vs away thing?
00:04 <spidey> ?
00:05 <luke-jr_> like some sports I think
00:05 <luke-jr_> games have a home team
00:05 <spidey> yea
00:05 <luke-jr_> home team picks tail length, game mode, etc?
00:05 <spidey> sure but if it runs from the webserver pigsty is out
00:05 <luke-jr_> ?
00:06 <spidey> depends which server would be hosting it
00:06 <luke-jr_> I was planning to host it on lightfoot
00:06 <spidey> k
00:06 <spidey> btw
00:06 <spidey> you have weird names for computers :p
00:06 <luke-jr_> that's an unusual name for mine
00:06 <luke-jr_> my usual ones are like
00:06 <luke-jr_> hachi
00:06 <luke-jr_> koryusaikun
00:06 <luke-jr_> tsurukikun
00:06 <luke-jr_> miyachan
00:07 <luke-jr_> kazumichan
00:07 <spidey> .....
00:07 <luke-jr_> LOL
00:07 <spidey> like i said
00:07 <spidey> you have weird names for computers :p
00:07 <luke-jr_> arumekun
00:07 <spidey> i have
00:07 <luke-jr_> I wanted to name one langly
00:07 <luke-jr_> but my wife said no
00:07 <spidey> zion abyss and apollo
00:07 <luke-jr_> i c
00:08 <DrJoeTron> weird names man
00:08 <spidey> you probably named all your lobster
00:08 <luke-jr_> what do you guys think about a curved potential earnings graph?
00:08 <DrJoeTron> buh?
00:08 <luke-jr_> like, someone playing in the tourney gratis gets at most 1% winnings if they win
00:08 <spidey> next computer i get i'm naming it prawn
00:08 <luke-jr_> if they put in $5 to play, they get like 7.50%
00:08 <luke-jr_> etc
00:09 <spidey> honestly
00:09 <spidey> noone will sign up
00:09 <DrJoeTron> this one is currently vanilla
00:09 <luke-jr_> why not?
00:09 <spidey> well.....
00:09 <spidey> name one person besides someone in this channel that would
00:09 <DrJoeTron> cause i put windows normal on
00:09 <luke-jr_> shrug
00:10 <spidey> :)
00:10 <luke-jr_> I'd need to make a poll
00:10 <spidey> make it
00:10 <spidey> i bet you don't get more than 5 peopel
00:10 <spidey> :p
00:10 <luke-jr_> maybe, I need to write a program to calculate reasonable %s tho
00:10 <luke-jr_> the problem would be if there were lots of $0 players, and only one >$0 player who won
00:11 <spidey> they get 0% ?
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00:11 <luke-jr_> no
00:11 <luke-jr_> even $0 players get 1%
00:11 <spidey> set a minimal amount
00:11 <spidey> the only way
00:11 <luke-jr_> $5 players would get 7-8% or so
00:11 <luke-jr_> yes
00:11 <luke-jr_> minimum on $5 is $8
00:12 <luke-jr_> $10 is $20
00:12 <luke-jr_> $25 is $35
00:12 <luke-jr_> er, s/$10/$15
00:14 <luke-jr_> now ideally, there's be even distribution over the bets and a $0 player would win ;p
00:14 <spidey> $0??
00:14 <luke-jr_> someone who plays for free
00:14 <spidey> if you set a minimal there won't be a $0
00:15 <luke-jr_> $0 player is someone betting $0
00:15 <luke-jr_> they have no minimum, and a 1st place of 1%
00:16 <luke-jr_> $5 player bets $5, and if 1st place gets 7.5% or minimum $8
00:16 <luke-jr_> something liek that
00:17 <luke-jr_> 2nd place gets 75% of their 1st place #s etc
00:20 <spidey> ok
00:20 <spidey> anyways
00:20 <spidey> i'm going to sleep
00:20 <spidey> night
00:20 <DrJoeTron> http://genierub.ytmnd.com/
00:20 <Vanhayes_> what is web_password in config folder for?
00:21 <spidey> seems xorg decided to use 25% of my cpu cycle instead of 99.9%
00:21 <spidey> O.o
00:22 <Vanhayes_> for that matter what is settings_web for too?
00:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: BTW, this formula won't work for teams ;p
00:22 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: wtf?
00:22 * spidey note tomorrow i find out if i fail 8th grade again or not
00:23 <spidey> i should probably average my grades off myself to see
00:23 <spidey> heh
00:23 <Vanhayes_> they are .cfg files in my config folder
00:23 <Vanhayes_> I have no Idea how or when they got there
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00:24 <Anthrax> grrr
00:24 -!- Anthrax is now known as Abyss
00:24 <Abyss> i hate freenode
00:24 <Abyss> all my names are taken :<
00:24 <Abyss> /me goes to bed for real now
00:25 * wrtlprnft notes that you don't have to rename yourself to see if a name is taken
00:25 <wrtlprnft> just say /msg nickserv INFO thenickyouwannacheck
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00:26 <Vanhayes_> does guest:mydomain.com:485264dcc977a1925370b89d516a1477 mean anything to anyone?
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00:26 <Vanhayes> thats what web_password.cfg has in it
00:27 <wrtlprnft> that's fine
00:27 <Vanhayes> what is it though?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> it's the access data for the non- existing web interface
00:27 <wrtlprnft> or barely existing
00:28 * Lucifer_arma names his computers after princes of Amber
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> my laptop is called Ghostwheel, which is the computer Corwin's son builds
00:28 <wrtlprnft> my laptop is called laptop
00:32 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:32 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why aren't we just doing a simple IPC admin protocol and write a web interface in PHP? O.o
01:04 <luke-jr_> or better yet, just extend the current protocol to be friendly to non-games and listen on TCP?
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01:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: wouldn't tcp be a bad idea for a game?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: because we don't want a php dependency
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> however, if you can get CGI to work on the web server, you're more than welcome to tackle a php-based side project that does exactly that
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02:39 <DrJoeTron> ~
02:39 <DrJoeTron> !
02:40 <DrJoeTron> BACK
02:40 <DrJoeTron> oops
02:40 <DrJoeTron> caps
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02:48 <Lucifer_arma> CAPS LOCK SUCKS
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
03:08 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: what will cycle_intensity, or something like that, do?
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03:15 <groundpig> luke-jr_: what OS did you compile spidey's server on?
03:20 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: nvrm he meant invulnerable not intensity
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03:22 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: not for a config interface
03:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I think PHP is a reasonable dependency for a webapp on a server
03:23 <luke-jr_> groundpig: It's a dual Opteron running in 32-bit mode
03:23 <groundpig> linux?
03:24 <luke-jr_> groundpig: Debian, yes
03:25 <groundpig> anything you had to do besides just apply the patch and compile?
03:25 <luke-jr_> nope
03:25 <luke-jr_> well, nothing out of the ordinary anyhow
03:25 <groundpig> cool, thanks
03:25 <groundpig> someone tried it and was having linking problems
03:25 <luke-jr_> I also had to apply my own patch, and fix a bug in the Makefile
03:26 <luke-jr_> weird
03:26 <luke-jr_> paste the error on a pastebin?
03:26 <groundpig> does this look familiar?
03:26 <groundpig> libtron.a(libtron_a-gParser.o): In function `gParser::parseZone(eGrid*, _xmlNode *, unsigned char const*)':
03:26 <groundpig> gParser.cpp:(.text+0x3485): undefined reference to `gDeathZoneHack::gDeathZoneHa ck(eGrid*, eCoord const&)'
03:26 <groundpig> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
03:26 <groundpig> make[3]: *** [armagetronad_main] Error 1
03:26 <groundpig> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ed/armagetronad-0.2.8.2/src'
03:26 <luke-jr_> nope
03:26 <groundpig> whats a pastebin :)
03:26 <luke-jr_> ...
03:27 <luke-jr_> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
03:28 <groundpig> so i shouldn't post error messages to IRC then :)
03:28 <luke-jr_> not unless they're 1 or 2 lines
03:29 <groundpig> i'm an IRC noob
03:29 <luke-jr_> heh
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: note that I was't talking about just "any" webserver, I was talking about an interface that ships with the game
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> it really helps if you read everything
03:34 <luke-jr_> the interface provides a webapp
03:34 <luke-jr_> for a server
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> so you want the dedicated server to have a php dependency now?
03:34 <luke-jr_> only for a webapp-providing one
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> why? Why not just write the code in C++?
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> at least then you have access to the internals of the server
03:35 <luke-jr_> 1) because C++ requires a recompile to tweak
03:35 <luke-jr_> 2) we have a monopoly on the web interface
03:35 <luke-jr_> 3) better to export the internals properly
03:35 <luke-jr_> 2) ... if we use C++
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> this is more of your "can't" philosophy, isn't it?
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> we can provide a perfectly fine admin interface through the web server in C++ and stil allow people to write alternatives
03:36 <luke-jr_> using PHP and a TCP admin/internals protocol, we can have the admin webapp be a seperate package
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> "exporting properly" in this case is using environment variables since your script will be running as a CGI app
03:37 <luke-jr_> not competing alternatives
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> assuming you can get the server to compile that way anyway
03:37 <luke-jr_> eh?
03:37 <luke-jr_> exporting game internals
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> shttpd doesn't currently build with CGI
03:38 <luke-jr_> also, an internal webserver requires putting it on a different port than the rest of the website
03:38 <luke-jr_> it prevents proper integration and such
03:38 <luke-jr_> how will you embed it into a CMS?
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> an internal webserver prevents proper integration? heh
03:38 <luke-jr_> integration into an existing website
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> <?php include "http://myserver.com/"; ?> ?
03:39 <luke-jr_> eww
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> besides, we can give all sorts of external interfaces
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> this is just more of your "can't" garbage, I'm not in the mood, later
03:39 <luke-jr_> what makes an addition dependency worse than embedding an entire webserver?
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> the "entire" webserver is already there
03:39 <luke-jr_> it can be removed
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> and *nothing* additional is required to compile it
03:40 <luke-jr_> we can make that the case by including FTGL, and all our other libs with the source
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> and it's there to provide "integration", someone just has to code it
03:40 <Lucifer_arma> you want to bundle php? last time I built it, it took 20 minutes
03:41 <luke-jr_> my point being that bundling a dependency isn't a solution
03:41 <luke-jr_> people want websites, they'll run a webserver
03:41 <luke-jr_> and probably PHP
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> that's how shttpd was designed! That's what you're supposed to do with it, if you want to use it to embed a web server in your application
03:41 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and php has xml-rpc built-in since some 4.x version
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> so we provide an xml-rpc server and there you go, language-independent integration
03:42 <luke-jr_> then its design is flawed-- no program should need to embed a webserver
03:42 <luke-jr_> ok, so why not write xml-rpc server instead?
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> xml-rpc server runs on a webserver
03:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a fancy name for saying "give me POST data in xml format telling me to do something, and I'll do it and give you return data in xml format"
03:43 <luke-jr_> but why not focus on that instead of a web interface?
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> the two go hand in hand
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a mutually exclusive thing, either way you need an httpd server, and that's what we have
03:43 <luke-jr_> ok, I'll presume you know what you're doing-- not my area of the project
03:44 <luke-jr_> seems like twice the work for it tho
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no you won't, but ok
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04:22 <groundpig> the Vanhayes are incrementing
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> someone come to bugfarm
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04:34 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/germany-nafta.php hell we did pretty good for being at a disadvantage
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04:41 <DrJoeTron> my favorite band is piggy and the grounders
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04:57 <Lucifer_arma> My favorite band is Dr. Joe and the Joe Blobs
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04:57 <Lizz> hello
04:58 <DrJoeTron> i found a new band
04:58 <DrJoeTron> they're gonna go places
04:58 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer and the clams of the underworld
04:58 <Lizz> travelling band?? :P
04:59 <Lizz> clams??? lololol
04:59 <Lizz> bearded?
04:59 <Lizz> nvm.. dont answer that... it was a naughty question ,, heh
05:00 * Lizz is soooo glad americans dont understand aussie slang
05:01 <DrJoeTron> oh we understand bearded clams
05:01 <Lizz> oh :/ lol
05:01 <Lizz> not BPs tho lmao
05:03 <Vanhayes> #wtf bp
05:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: bp: nothing appropriate
05:04 <Lizz> meh
05:04 <Lizz> nvm
05:04 <DrJoeTron> oh man, root bear float on a stick
05:04 <Lizz> o.O
05:04 <DrJoeTron> beer*
05:04 <Lizz> still O.o
05:05 <Lizz> has no clue what that is
05:05 <DrJoeTron> you know what root bear is?
05:05 <DrJoeTron> beer*
05:05 <DrJoeTron> fuck
05:05 <Lizz> yeah.. tastes like cough medicine.. yuck!!!
05:05 <DrJoeTron> heck no!
05:05 <Lizz> ewww yucky lol
05:05 <DrJoeTron> you guys just suck at making root beer
05:06 <Lizz> we dont make it coz its gross :P
05:06 <DrJoeTron> root beer floats are just glasses of root beer with a scoop of ice cream in it
05:07 <Lizz> omg *pukes*
05:07 <DrJoeTron> guys
05:07 <DrJoeTron> i have 2 propellors with motors
05:07 <Lizz> grooooooooooooooooss
05:07 <DrJoeTron> a tiny lithium ion batter
05:07 <DrJoeTron> and a transmittor
05:07 <Lizz> for?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> from an rc plane that was destroyed
05:07 <DrJoeTron> i took the parts out
05:07 <DrJoeTron> they work still fine
05:07 <DrJoeTron> just the plane is destroyed
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i wanna build something now
05:08 <DrJoeTron> i bought a new plane :D
05:08 <Lizz> cool :)
05:08 <Lizz> u look nice in dark blue vanners
05:09 <groundpig> i wonder when piggy and the grounders is going to play my town
05:09 <Lizz> when they get off the ground
05:09 <groundpig> they tour by bus?
05:10 <Lizz> burrow id of thought
05:11 * groundpig is buried *
05:11 * Lizz gets flowers
05:12 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:12 * DrJoeTron cuts himself on the spinning propellors
05:12 <Lizz> haha
05:12 <Lizz> :P
05:13 <DrJoeTron> damn these things are sharp
05:13 <DrJoeTron> its got good range
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05:13 <DrJoeTron> its about 600ft
05:13 <DrJoeTron> 300ft
05:13 <DrJoeTron> **
05:13 <DrJoeTron> im thinking about making an index card kite
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05:21 * Lizz would comment if she knew what that was
05:21 * groundpig would comment if he wasn't buried *
05:22 * Lizz digs him up
05:22 <groundpig> on second thought, i have no comment
05:22 * Lizz buries him again
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05:25 <Lizz> hiya yma
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> luke i crashed your experimental server again, could you reset it
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> hey lizz
05:27 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i was thinking a map like the puckman one i have up now would be cool with bouncing shots if it had all 45 degree walls on turns
05:27 <Lizz> sometimes i wish the was an arma server for over 21's only >.<
05:27 <Vanhayes> why 21?
05:28 <Lizz> well
05:28 <Lizz> age dosent really matter.. just meant mature ppl... not little kids
05:29 <Lizz> sometimes i feel like im back in kindergarten the way some of them carry on
05:29 <Lizz> and besides isnt luke under 21 still?? he wont be allowed in lol
05:29 <Vanhayes> heh i bet someone of them are pretty close to being in kindergarden
05:30 <Vanhayes> im under 21 too
05:30 <Lizz> i kno u are vanners.. but u dont act 5 like some do >.<
05:31 <Vanhayes> heh thats what silence is for
05:31 <Lizz> heh
05:31 <Lizz> ya ya
05:32 <Lizz> sometimes i play and its only older ppl in there.. its so nice for a change to have a decent convo instead of the usual dribble
05:32 <Lizz> but i luv most of the kids too.. just be nice to escape every so often :)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I pwn j00!
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.0.2.aamap.xml) try that out pig
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait, that's wrong
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> i pwn j00!1
05:34 <DrJoeTron> im under 21 :p
05:34 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: Thanks!
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, joe's a kid
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
05:34 <Lizz> speaking of kids.. hiya looceee
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hey im no kid
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> so's mom
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:35 <DrJoeTron> you see the opera browser review for ds?
05:35 <Lizz> not u either joe.. like i said.. not really an age thing
05:35 <DrJoeTron> no aim express :/
05:35 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/07/24/spending-some-time-with-the-ds-browser/
05:36 <DrJoeTron> im so glad of amd buying ati
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> not me, I behave so immaturely in a server, heh
05:36 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:36 <Your_mom_arma> im a kid?
05:36 <DrJoeTron> im a jerk in servers
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> whenever I hit that INternet Game, I don't know what comes over me, it's like a second childhood
05:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:36 <Lizz> what ever happened to mary jane?? hardly ever see him.. not much of a loss tho :/
05:36 <DrJoeTron> i guess we're kids
05:36 <Lizz> naa ur babes :P
05:38 <Lizz> maybe we just need an "idiot proof" server instead
05:38 <Lizz> no wait
05:38 <Lizz> then i wouldnt get in it
05:38 <DrJoeTron> the server would crash lizz
05:38 <Lizz> :/
05:39 <Lizz> does market still play?
05:39 <DrJoeTron> he comes on from time to time
05:39 <DrJoeTron> and ejaculates over oper
05:39 <Lizz> hes very odd
05:39 <DrJoeTron> opera*
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> pig did i crash your server?
05:39 <groundpig> nope
05:39 <groundpig> i accidentally started recoding it
05:40 <Your_mom_arma> right now it has a winzone at the center
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> this movie is so awesome
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> The Emperor's New Groove (told you I was a kid)
05:40 <groundpig> if i modify the map, how do i make sure people can download it?
05:40 <Your_mom_arma> host it or email it to luke?
05:41 <Lizz> i liked the movie cars lol
05:41 <Your_mom_arma> want me to modify it?
05:41 <groundpig> by host it, i just put it in my resources/proto dir?
05:42 <nemostultae> It needs to be hosted on a web-server.
05:43 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:44 <DrJoeTron> yes!
05:44 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
05:44 <DrJoeTron> i learned how to send .exe's and zips through gmail
05:44 <DrJoeTron> embed them into gifs :p
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> rename them from blah.exe to blah.jpg
05:45 <DrJoeTron> no no
05:45 <DrJoeTron> you combine it with a picture
05:45 <DrJoeTron> through command prompt
05:46 <DrJoeTron> Copy /B image.gif+file.zip Newfile.gif
05:46 <DrJoeTron> it will show up as gif
05:46 <DrJoeTron> if you embedded it with an mp3
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> pig do you wlready have ball/goal support?
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> already even
05:46 <DrJoeTron> drag and drop it into winamp it will play a music file
05:47 <DrJoeTron> when you send it, when the other person saves it, to access the zip file, the have to save the picture as a .zip and it will turn back into a zip file
05:47 <groundpig> was going to add that right after i finish recoding
05:48 <DrJoeTron> server doesnt show up pig
05:48 <DrJoeTron> is it not up?
05:48 <groundpig> i was going to add the ball logic first and start up a server to test er out
05:48 <groundpig> not up
05:48 <DrJoeTron> heh is mom a mod now/
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> squeak squeaker squeak squeakin
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> did you check out the map file yet, your wording in that pm was pretty vague
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> squeak squeakety squeak
05:49 <Your_mom_arma> ami missing something luci?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> squeak?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, just find a torrent, you'll love it
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> It's a rare beast, it is: a Disney movie that doesn't suck
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> this brings the total of Disney Unsucky Movies to what, 2?
05:50 <DrJoeTron> emporers new groove?
05:50 <DrJoeTron> ive seen that
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
05:50 <DrJoeTron> it was cute
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> is it sad i've already seen it?
05:50 <Your_mom_arma> guess not
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, not at all
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> so, fly a plane or drive a light cycle.....
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm........
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> you know what we need?
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> we need a FlightGear server
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> pig you can upload a map to the forums and just right click and find out where the file is a point to it in map_file
05:53 <DrJoeTron> flight gear crashed on me
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> and*
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: tht would require users to be logged in to download it, wouldn't it?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> is there a reason you dont' just use luke-jr_'s repository?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> me or pig?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, you know, pig, are you using 0.3.0 or later?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, both of you? whoever needs the map hosted :)
05:55 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: tried out the map, thats a great map, but i would need the front of the goal to be open so the ball doesn't bounce off
05:55 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: using 0.2.8.2
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> ah, 0.3.0 has a webserver :)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> it points to your locally installed resources, so you just have to set client_repository or whichever it is
05:56 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: i don't want to deal with unstable code in development <sniff>
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> he says as he hacks his server :)
05:57 <groundpig> thank you, thank you, my client will be here all night
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:57 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
06:08 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i guess what i was thinking was goals like a bracket (bad ASCII art) --> [ o ]
06:09 <groundpig> and the goal inside the bracket area, but at least 5 or 10 units away from the side of the bracket
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> would the bracket be closed on the end closer to the nearest wall?
06:10 <groundpig> the end could *be* the rim i think, depends on if we want to hit the ball or drive in back of it
06:12 <groundpig> oh and if you could make the zone effect names be "ball" and "goal" that would help me out a great deal :B)
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06:21 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.1.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.1.aamap.xml) try this out pig, took some liberties with the map file tho, more like soccer, if you dont like it i'll make it with the brackets
06:23 <groundpig> as it turns out, my xml sucks
06:23 <groundpig> and even though it looked like it would have been OK with it, i forgot about the validation with the dtd
06:24 <groundpig> so i can't have "ball" or "goal" effect names without a dtd update
06:25 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: do you have any suggestions on the best way to have a map with new zone types?
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06:26 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
06:27 <groundpig> sorry
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> i could take a hack at a new dtd, but i dont really know what im doing
06:27 <anjori> Windows trolls are so cute
06:27 <anjori> just not when i'm trying to play tron :-/
06:33 <luke-jr_> groundpig: so upload it to the repository
06:33 <luke-jr_> oh, a new DTD :/
06:33 <luke-jr_> hm
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/exp dtd.zip not sure how it works put it in resource/aateam after unzipped
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06:36 <Your_mom_arma> heh
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> hold on
06:36 <groundpig> :)
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/exp_dtd.zip
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml)
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> that points to the dtd
06:40 <groundpig> should it say something in that .xml about the dtd name?
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06:40 <Your_mom_arma> yeah it has too
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06:42 <groundpig> ah i see, my browser was not showing that part
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06:42 <groundpig> would it need the spawn points called out like the fortress maps?
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> uhh
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> what do you mean?
06:42 <groundpig> nevermind, i didn't see them, i see them now
06:44 <groundpig> so i guess the only question is how clients would get that new dtd :B)
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> by being in the irc for the last 3 minutes?
06:44 <nemostultae> The client can download the DTD, too.
06:44 <nemostultae> IRRC
06:44 <nemostultae> IIRC*
06:46 <nemostultae> Set RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER to http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/, and put the DTD at http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd (might want to move it out of AATeam).
06:46 <Your_mom_arma> im part of aa team :{
06:46 <Your_mom_arma> kind of
06:47 <nemostultae> Heh, but AATeam is for official stuff, I think.
06:48 <nemostultae> If you have RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER set, you can just set your MAP_FILE to "Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml", also
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> well let me and pig try it out and if it actually works i'll set it up at Your_mom/dtd/
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> fair enough?
06:49 <nemostultae> sounds fine, I don't really mind it is in AATeam.
06:49 <groundpig> great, i will set the RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> i wouldnt not yet anyway pig
06:50 <groundpig> i'll wait
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> let me set it up so it actually downloads something
06:50 <groundpig> ok
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> arg...
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> i cant upload plain .dtd
06:52 <nemostultae> hmm, I can setup on my server if needed.
06:54 <nemostultae> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd if you need it.
06:58 <Your_mom_arma> pig did you set it up?
06:58 <groundpig> you said to wait :)
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> oh yeah
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd right nemo?
06:59 <nemostultae> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource
07:00 <groundpig> wouldn't that try to download the map also from there?
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> not if you use MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml) i think
07:01 <groundpig> ok
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> include the parenthesis and stuff inside
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> parenthesis
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> funny word
07:05 <groundpig> i don't have the zones showing up yet, but otherwise, perfect!
07:05 <groundpig> thanks
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07:11 <DrJoeTron> bbl
07:11 <groundpig> cya
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07:11 <Your_mom_arma> thanks for hosting that nemo
07:12 <groundpig> i concur, thank you nemo
07:12 <groundpig> 15 minutes i swear
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07:21 <wrtlprnft> BUG my trunk version of armagetronad doesn't exit anymore
07:21 <wrtlprnft> the window disappears, but it stays running on the console I start it on, unresponsive to ctrl-c, ctrl-z and friends
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07:29 <groundpig> i keep getting the ball stuck in the wall
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07:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup_Groups&curid=2668&diff=14196&oldid=14138
07:34 <wrtlprnft> second
07:34 <wrtlprnft> they actually PLAYED the last matches when it was 6:2 in the end?
07:34 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of idiots
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07:36 <Your_mom_arma> how i imagine it went looks like there team left, write that as 2 wins
07:37 <groundpig> dedicated server seems to crash with this: MAP_FILE
07:37 <groundpig> Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.
07:37 <groundpig> 1.2.aamap.xml)
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> remove the breaks in the line??
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> does the dedicayed server have the dtd?
07:38 <groundpig> even without that junk
07:38 <groundpig> it has the resource line
07:39 <wrtlprnft> you sure the server downloaded the DTD?
07:39 <Your_mom_arma> give it the dtd locally and then try it?
07:39 <groundpig> it crashes before it tells me what it did
07:39 <groundpig> that MAP_FILE line is the right format?
07:40 <wrtlprnft> should be
07:40 <wrtlprnft> but you're specifying an URI for the map
07:41 <wrtlprnft> it will try to download the DTD from the repository in RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER
07:41 <groundpig> which should work
07:41 <nemostultae> Is the server running?
07:41 <wrtlprnft> well, did it download it, can you check?
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl could you page up and look over some of this?
07:41 <groundpig> sure, where does it download to?
07:41 <nemostultae> it should be in resource/automatic
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07:42 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: what exactly? too much for me to read t
07:42 <wrtlprnft> it all
07:44 <Your_mom_arma> erm, just check that - RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource actual file here http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml)
07:44 <luke-jr_> um!
07:45 <luke-jr_> I hope groundpig isn't publishing resources as author="AATeam" until he's actually part of the AATeam!
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> that was me and we where going to change it if it actually worked
07:45 <groundpig> i publish nothing :B)
07:46 <luke-jr_> it should
07:46 <groundpig> it was working in my client, but for some reason server is crashing on the MAP_FILE line
07:46 <luke-jr_> the game doesn't care what author made the DTD
07:46 <luke-jr_> probably because you're getting advice from Your_mom_arma
07:46 <groundpig> ouch
07:46 <Your_mom_arma> yeah dont trust him he's an idiot
07:46 <luke-jr_> your client probably has a bug
07:46 <luke-jr_> because all map clients currently seem to
07:47 <groundpig> yeah the bug is that my client is working
07:47 <luke-jr_> the MAP_FILE variable is case sensitive
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> servers crashing not the client
07:47 <luke-jr_> the client sometimes will ignore that
07:47 <luke-jr_> they should really be giving you an error, or at least a warning
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> rewording that- server crashes before a client can connect
07:48 <luke-jr_> also, the file on the repository also is case sensitive often
07:48 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: with what error?
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> ask groundpig
07:48 <groundpig> exception
07:48 <luke-jr_> ...
07:48 <luke-jr_> so detailed! ;p
07:48 <groundpig> before it can do anything but read the MAP_FILE line
07:49 <luke-jr_> what is the MAP_FILE and RESOURCE_REPOSITORY set to/
07:49 <luke-jr_> ?
07:50 <nemostultae> look up ^
07:50 <groundpig> sorry for big paste - if i delete the dtd and map that the client downloads fine - server will get this far and then die:
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Resource Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml not found in cache. Downl
07:50 <groundpig> oading it, please be patient...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Downloading http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.x
07:50 <groundpig> ml ...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] OK
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Resource AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd not found in cache. Downloading it, plea
07:50 <groundpig> se be patient...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] Downloading http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0
07:50 <groundpig> .2.8.0_pig.dtd ...
07:50 <groundpig> [0] OK
07:50 <luke-jr_> wtf?
07:50 <luke-jr_> oh
07:50 <nemostultae> ftw?
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07:51 <Your_mom_arma> for the win?
07:52 <luke-jr_> groundpig: how about a debugger?
07:54 <groundpig> yep, those are nice
07:54 <groundpig> not set up for one at the moment
07:56 <groundpig> who knew negative create times would crash the server :B)
07:56 <groundpig> server up
08:00 <luke-jr_> what's new?
08:09 <Your_mom_arma> isnt on my master server list
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08:13 <Your_mom_arma> joe go to pigs server
08:15 <DrJoeTron> servers full
08:15 <Vanhayes> soo fun
08:16 <DrJoeTron> kick someone ;D
08:16 <Your_mom_arma> okay someone left
08:16 <DrJoeTron> nope
08:17 <Your_mom_arma> van left
08:19 <Vanhayes> stupid connection
08:19 <Vanhayes> heh nope
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08:28 <TitsnAss> yo
08:28 <TitsnAss> ey bitchs u guys doing the world cup?
08:29 <TitsnAss> what time is the us worldcup on tron for 8 gmt
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08:30 <TitsnAss> 2 hayes
08:30 <Vanhayes__> im surprised there wasnt more
08:30 <TitsnAss> hm
08:30 <TitsnAss> are you playing the worldcup?
08:30 <Vanhayes__> NAFTA is out as far as I know
08:31 <TitsnAss> ok
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08:33 <_Vanhayes> stupid connection
08:33 <TitsnAss> lol
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08:36 <Vanhayes__> grr
08:36 <Vanhayes__> getting pretty bad now
08:38 <wrtlprnft> gah
08:38 <wrtlprnft> soccer sty is full
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08:39 <TitsnAss> yeah
08:39 <TitsnAss> :(
08:39 <TitsnAss> :)
08:39 <TitsnAss> :P
08:39 <TitsnAss> :D
08:39 <TitsnAss> :X
08:39 -!- Vanhayes__ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034181238.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
08:39 <TitsnAss> hey homos
08:39 <wrtlprnft> can't get in
08:39 <TitsnAss> wadup
08:40 <TitsnAss> I"M GOING TO PWN U ALL TOMORROW
08:40 <TitsnAss> AT THE CUP!!!
08:40 <TitsnAss> anyone know what time it is in GMT -8
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08:40 <Vanhayes__> 12 pm
08:40 <Vanhayes__> er
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08:40 <z-man> High Noon :)
08:41 <Vanhayes> heh ya
08:41 <z-man> 8 PM GMT - 8 hours is 0 PM
08:41 <Vanhayes> there is a 0 GMT??
08:41 <z-man> no
08:41 <wrtlprnft> 12PM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> err
08:41 <wrtlprnft> 12AM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> no, PM
08:41 <wrtlprnft> gah, AM/PM sucks
08:42 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: kick someone :S
08:42 <DrJoeTron> fucking damn it
08:42 <DrJoeTron> tthanks guys :/
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:42 <Vanhayes> lol nice its open
08:42 <wrtlprnft> you got kicked?
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> rejoin
08:42 <DrJoeTron> im on 2.8.2
08:42 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.1
08:43 <luke-jr_> you mean 0.2.8.1
08:43 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> 2.8.1
08:43 <luke-jr_> there is no 2.8.1
08:43 <Vanhayes> or .2.8.1
08:43 <DrJoeTron> oh shut up
08:44 <Your_mom_arma> joe rejoin
08:44 <DrJoeTron> either way im not the right client
08:44 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: don't complain to me; I was arguing making 2.8.1 the real version =p
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08:46 <luke-jr_> anyone know if there's a name for this? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mHE9zG24.html
08:46 <luke-jr_> (tournament style)
08:46 <Vanhayes> anjori: upgrade your client
08:46 <anjori> yeah. fuck that.
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> hey anj im about to leave, want my spot?
08:47 <anjori> nah. apparently my client isnt recent enough
08:47 <Your_mom_arma> pig changed the settings back
08:47 <anjori> that's all right. but thanks for the offer.
08:48 * anjori can't upgrade until autopackage quits giving him errors
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> that was awesome :)
08:50 <DrJoeTron> that was fun
08:50 <groundpig> :B)
08:50 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma's idea
08:50 <Your_mom_arma> luke could you host that dtd on the resource repository at Your_mom/dtd/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, you can make a version of the map that's compatible with older clients if the client doesn't have to simulate anything
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> the fortress map works that way, actually, for 0.2.7.1 and earlier
08:51 <groundpig> client doesn't have to simulate anything
08:51 <Your_mom_arma> currently hosted on http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/resource/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> right, so feed the server the one it needs and just give clients a map with the walls and spawn points
08:52 <Your_mom_arma> he means a square map with just zones
08:52 <groundpig> ah i see
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> so clients don't need the dtd, only the server needs it, and you can store that locally
08:52 <groundpig> that would be nice
08:53 <Lizz> well!!!!! i never!!!!!
08:53 <Your_mom_arma> ?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> also, you might consider making the goal zone a zone that conquers itself and kills the last teammate in it
08:53 <Lizz> is joe still here???
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to keep the goalie in his box
08:53 <Your_mom_arma> haha luci
08:53 <groundpig> :B)
08:54 <groundpig> hoping to finish it up this week so i can keep a server up
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: you still got that basketball court texture laying around?
08:54 <Vanhayes> heh since there is so much rubber no new players can join in now
08:54 <Lizz> well.. i just found out who a player is thats been causing joe trouble
08:54 <Lizz> amazing
08:54 <DrJoeTron> hey im here
08:54 * groundpig has to sleep, signs off *
08:54 <Lizz> joe
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> night pig
08:54 <Lizz> u kno that cypher guy?
08:54 <DrJoeTron> watcha find?
08:54 <DrJoeTron> yes
08:55 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: can you come in and /admin kill us please?
08:55 <Abyss> ::|
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> he's spidey?
08:55 <wrtlprnft> we can't die
08:55 <wrtlprnft> the round won't end
08:55 <Lizz> well its actually someone from E clan
08:55 <Abyss> who's spidey?
08:55 <Lizz> ssin
08:55 <Abyss> sin?
08:55 <Lizz> -s
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> hi spidey
08:55 <Lizz> arcanus
08:55 <Abyss> that's arcanus
08:55 <Lizz> ya
08:55 <Abyss> hi
08:55 <Abyss> i'm tired
08:55 <Lizz> hiya abbi
08:55 <Abyss> and Xorg is eating the shit outta my cpu
08:56 <DrJoeTron> i see
08:56 <DrJoeTron> arcanus eh?
08:56 <Lizz> interesting....
08:56 <Lizz> yes
08:56 <Lizz> one sec
08:56 <DrJoeTron> where did you find this out?
08:56 <Lizz> but some of the time he just loses it. does stupid things, likes pretends to be STM cyper,
08:56 <Abyss> he's been arc
08:56 <Lizz> from eagle eye
08:56 <Abyss> he's told me
08:56 <Your_mom_arma> did pig leave?
08:57 <DrJoeTron> i see
08:57 <DrJoeTron> well thanks for the tip
08:57 <Abyss> he was arcanus in mbc and sin in sp ;x
08:57 <anjori> sinarc is a bitch
08:57 * groundpig was supposed to leave *
08:57 <Lizz> yvw i kno he has given u trouble
08:57 <Abyss> anjori was there when he admitted it
08:57 -!- Abyss is now known as spidey
08:57 <Your_mom_arma> well i already uploaded the new file same stuff just .3 not .2
08:57 <DrJoeTron> do you know why he was?
08:57 <Lizz> i kno sin is arc.. always have known
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08:57 <DrJoeTron> thats what i wanna know
08:58 <groundpig> should i switch over?
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> but you need to get luke or nemo to host the dtd
08:58 <anjori> he came into wild fort a few weeks back under yet another name and told me "someone says hi"
08:58 * spidey trips groundpig
08:58 <groundpig> ok if we leave it up as is now for another day?
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> it wouldnt work pig
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
08:58 <groundpig> cool, let me know when i can switch it over
08:59 <Lizz> joe u get that PM?
08:59 <Your_mom_arma> needs to be hosted at .../Your_mom/dtd/ on another server and have resource rep changed
09:00 * Your_mom_arma is going to have to get an account for the resource repository luke hosts
09:00 <Lizz> joe?
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09:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> I can host the dtd too
09:01 <Lizz> u got aim?
09:01 <DrJoeTron> sure do
09:01 <DrJoeTron> <---
09:01 <Lizz> k one sec
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09:01 <Lucifer_arma> umm, oh yeah, if you were running on the trunk you'd have an embedded web server to take care of it for you :)
09:04 <Your_mom_arma> sorry luci cant find that texture anywhere
09:06 <anjori> it's right over there
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09:08 <Your_mom_arma> i thought i backup'd all my arma textures but i cant find the zip
09:08 <spidey> any reason konqueror doesn't do flash?
09:10 <anjori> because you havent installed it (properly)?
09:10 <spidey> ...
09:10 <spidey> firefox does it just fine
09:10 <spidey> #time
09:10 <armabot> spidey: 02:11 AM, July 25, 2006
09:11 <anjori> flash works in konq for me.
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09:20 * spidey goes make a pizza then tron
09:20 <spidey> wtf,my panel just disappeared
09:20 <spidey> O.o
09:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:20 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
09:21 <Vanhayes> spidey play groundpig's server
09:21 <spidey> #insult "[Xpert]DarkStar "
09:21 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar - You are nothing but a hacked-up assload of hedge-born IPC.
09:21 <spidey> will in a sec,brb
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a wretched coagulation of infected sores.
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insult spidey
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a fulminating bucket of tottering warts.
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a squishy mound of thick puke.
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a puny puddle of flap-mouthed cat.
09:22 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a hugger-muggered quart of Microsoft-loving manuals.
09:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and my computer is making a strange noise :S
09:25 <spidey> it gonna blow up?
09:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: you would need to configure your Mozilla plugin directory in KDE
09:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: but Flash sucks
09:26 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: fan dying?
09:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it seems like it's a PSU fan...
09:26 <luke-jr_> ooh that can be bad
09:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not worse than the CPU fan
09:26 <luke-jr_> assuming it goes uncaught
09:26 <luke-jr_> yes, I think worse
09:27 <luke-jr_> CPU fan will just melt a CPU
09:27 <luke-jr_> PSU fan could do fires
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> even if it's only 1 of 2?
09:29 <luke-jr_> your PSU has 2 fans?
09:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
09:29 <luke-jr_> most don't
09:29 <luke-jr_> and if yours has 2, I imagine it needs 2
09:29 <luke-jr_> not 1
09:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or one is backup
09:30 <luke-jr_> potentially
09:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the noise disappeared :S
09:30 <luke-jr_> even my quad-CPU-capable Xeon server only has 1 fan per PSU tho
09:30 <luke-jr_> of course, it does have 3 PSUs...
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> quad cpu 0o
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> holy shit
09:31 <luke-jr_> capable
09:31 <luke-jr_> it only has 2 CPUs installed
09:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "only"
09:31 <luke-jr_> =p
09:31 <luke-jr_> 2 of 4 is 50%
09:31 <luke-jr_> maybe your PSU is between a normal single PSU and a double (one backup) PSU
09:32 <luke-jr_> eg, it can handle a fan failure, but not an electrical/component failure
09:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm planning to get a new one anyway sooner or later
09:33 <luke-jr_> a new fan or PSU ? o.O
09:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> new PSU
09:34 <luke-jr_> o
09:34 <luke-jr_> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.16-gentoo-r9/i686 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Katmai) (549.472 MHz) - Processes: 86 - Uptime: 07:34:56 up 3 days, 19:10, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 - Memory Usage: 658MB/2027MB (32%)
09:34 <luke-jr_> that's that quad-capable server BTW =p
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux helios 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #1 Thu Jul 20 21:21:28 Local time zone must be set--see zic manu sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that's the machine i'm running irssi on
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and also a bunch of other 7/24 stuff
09:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like apache, my aa server, ...
09:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux darkstar 2.6.16-gentoo-r12 #3 SMP Tue Jul 11 11:21:10 Local time zone must be set--see zic x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
09:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> this is my amd
09:36 <luke-jr_> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.17-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.924 MHz) - Processes: 329 - Uptime: 16d 3h 49m - Users: 115 - Load Average: 0.28 - Memory Usage: 4530MB/1002MB (451%)
09:36 <luke-jr_> that's my desktop
09:37 <luke-jr_> btw, you need to set your local timezone =p
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> screw that -.-
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i did on helios
09:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and still it would say it r not set
09:37 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508746F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
09:37 <luke-jr_> ssh koryusaikun ~/bin/sysinfo
09:37 <luke-jr_> bash: /home/luke-jr/bin/sysinfo: No such file or directory
09:37 <luke-jr_> o well
09:37 <luke-jr_> 07:37:46 up 37 days, 20:22, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00
09:37 <luke-jr_> Linux tsurukikun 2.6.17-gentoo #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 13:36:05 UTC 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that's koryusaikun =p
09:38 <luke-jr_> err, no its not
09:38 <luke-jr_> 07:38:02 up 37 days, 20:22, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.00
09:38 <luke-jr_> Linux koryusaikun 2.6.14-gentoo-r2 #6 Thu Mar 2 13:02:24 UTC 2006 i586 AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that is
09:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
09:38 <luke-jr_> 02:38:42 up 23:09, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.09, 0.07
09:38 <luke-jr_> Linux coraputer 2.6.16-gentoo-r5 #3 PREEMPT Wed May 10 20:24:11 CDT 2006 ppc 750FX GNU/Linux
09:38 <luke-jr_> that's the laptop
09:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
09:39 <luke-jr_> 18:18:12 up 19 min, load average: 1.75, 0.87, 0.68
09:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my laptops aren't running atm
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got an ibm tp 240 and some sony vaio
09:40 <luke-jr_> Linux c7x0 2.6.16 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 5 18:11:34 CEST 2006 armv5tel unknown
09:40 <luke-jr_> That's the handheld
09:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could install linux on my 2nd ultra10....
09:42 * [Xpert]DarkStar connects serial cable
09:42 <luke-jr_> lol
09:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah... it r too short... gotta relocate the u10 temporarily it seems
09:44 <luke-jr_> enetBcm(0,0)admin:/opt/vwMIPS_1_0_1_fcs/target/config/sb4100/vxWorks.st h=192.168.100.10 e=192.168.100.1 u=jmcqueen pw=rickey7 f=0x8 tn=SB4100 o=dbs1
09:44 <luke-jr_> that's my cable modem, lol
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
09:45 <luke-jr_> 07:45:45 up 3 days, 2:44, load average: 0.08, 0.01, 0.00
09:45 <luke-jr_> Linux router 2.4.30 #1 Sun Mar 26 19:02:04 CEST 2006 mips unknown
09:45 <luke-jr_> and router
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do you get on your cable modem?
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah it's also a router
09:45 <luke-jr_> serial
09:45 <luke-jr_> no, router is a diff box
09:45 <luke-jr_> router runs Linux
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cool
09:46 <luke-jr_> modem runs vxWorks :x
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the only thing not running linux, eh?
09:46 <luke-jr_> yeah
09:46 <luke-jr_> I'd pay lots to get an open modem
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
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09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun even have the option
09:46 <luke-jr_> ?
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to get one
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (an open modem)
09:47 <luke-jr_> neither do I =p
09:47 <luke-jr_> they don't exist
09:47 <luke-jr_> not for cable anyhow
09:47 <luke-jr_> theft of service and uncapping would be SO easy if they did lol
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i've seen DSL routers running linux
09:47 <luke-jr_> DSL is secure =p
09:47 <luke-jr_> DLink has at least one open source DSL modem
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have a dlink router
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it sucks....
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> restart on any changed setting...
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/router+modem.jpg
09:49 <luke-jr_> not supported by OpenWrt?
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> openwrt?
09:50 <luke-jr_> what model?
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> DI-524
09:50 <luke-jr_> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware#head-23aceae4ab1f4a2fe1e171cd55b5875b624dc2eb
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revision D is supported
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have rev b
09:51 <spidey> someone ripped in pigysty
09:51 <spidey> actually 2 people did
09:52 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM
10:00 * [Xpert]DarkStar hates dlink
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got the DI-524_revB
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they have firmware upgrade for
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revA
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revC
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revD
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> revE
10:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> WHERE'S THE FUCKING REVB
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
10:02 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
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10:02 <cusco> hi
10:02 <cusco> I dunno anything about intertronick competition!
10:03 <cusco> has it started?
10:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #monologue
10:03 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
10:03 <cusco> [Xpert]DarkStar: make your point..
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10:03 <cusco> amI talking too much?
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10:03 <DrJoeTron> way to fuck up, modem
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10:04 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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10:05 <Your_mom_arma> joe did lizz say anything interesting or is the irc channel not secure enough?
10:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah it was pretty interesting
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10:05 <DrJoeTron> i guess it was some guy who goes by sin
10:05 <DrJoeTron> he was in sp
10:05 <DrJoeTron> and is now in e
10:05 <DrJoeTron> so now
10:05 <DrJoeTron> for me
10:06 <Your_mom_arma> philip check out pigs server
10:06 <DrJoeTron> anyone from e is instabanned from my servers
10:06 <DrJoeTron> cause im a fucking creep
10:07 <Your_mom_arma> heh
10:07 <DrJoeTron> well not creep
10:07 <DrJoeTron> just jerk
10:09 <Your_mom_arma> nothing wrong with that
10:11 <DrJoeTron> this is true
10:11 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
10:11 <DrJoeTron> i guess he used to be named arcanus
10:11 <DrJoeTron> and was with mbc
10:12 <DrJoeTron> and he goes crazy and goes under the name stm cypher
10:12 <DrJoeTron> and becomes a real prick
10:12 <DrJoeTron> so
10:12 <philippeqc> ok Your_mom_arma
10:12 <DrJoeTron> fuck anyone associted him
10:13 <DrJoeTron> associated*
10:13 <DrJoeTron> damn it
10:14 <DrJoeTron> hl2 dm time :D
10:14 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
10:14 <Your_mom_arma> yeah?
10:14 <DrJoeTron> whats your friend code for mario kart
10:14 <Your_mom_arma> still havnt hooked up my ds onlie
10:15 <DrJoeTron> ah
10:15 <DrJoeTron> you still have a friend code though
10:15 <Your_mom_arma> want to join pigs server?
10:15 <Your_mom_arma> you sure?
10:15 <DrJoeTron> yes
10:16 <DrJoeTron> and then you need mine
10:16 <DrJoeTron> 133216 753861
10:19 <Your_mom_arma> im on mario kart right now and it says wont be generated will i connect to nintendo wfc
10:19 <DrJoeTron> woops
10:19 <DrJoeTron> heh looks like im wrong :p
10:20 <Your_mom_arma> joe could you hop on pig and limit the time for a match?
10:20 <DrJoeTron> whats the command
10:20 <Your_mom_arma> limit_time 2
10:20 <DrJoeTron> server full
10:21 <Your_mom_arma> here take my spot
10:21 <Your_mom_arma> kick someone please
10:22 <Your_mom_arma> thanks joe
10:22 <DrJoeTron> no problem
10:31 <luke-jr_> ...
10:33 <Your_mom_arma> ?
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> if Madonna ever runs for PResident, she's got my vote
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:41 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nigh Lucifer_arma
10:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night even
10:45 <wrtlprnft> stop talking about openWRT :S
10:45 <wrtlprnft> it wakes me
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10:55 <spidey> that server so doesn't like me
10:59 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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10:59 <cusco> that was a foot ball game
11:04 <philippeqc> shout change the name to hockey ;)
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11:27 <spidey> #g 51017hours in days
11:27 <armabot> 51,017 hours = 2,125.70833 days
11:27 <spidey> O.o
11:27 <spidey> i be damned if i'm downloading that movie
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours in years
11:29 <armabot> 51,017 hours = 5.81999654 years
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours
11:29 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 51017hours in time
11:29 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:30 <wrtlprnft> i want it to tell me something like 5 years 234 days 12 hours 42 minutes 12.345 seconds :S
11:30 <wrtlprnft> but i guess it won't
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11:31 <spidey> heh
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11:40 <DrJoeTron> night time for me
11:40 <DrJoeTron> erm
11:40 <DrJoeTron> early early moring
11:41 <DrJoeTron> but need to sleep
11:41 <DrJoeTron> ta
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12:06 <DrJoeTron> fuck it
12:08 <spidey> lol
12:08 <spidey> #night
12:08 <armabot> Good night spidey!
12:08 <spidey> gonna get me a hour of sleep
12:08 <DrJoeTron> fuck that
12:09 <DrJoeTron> #morning
12:09 <armabot> Good Morning DrJoeTron [f]
12:09 <DrJoeTron> thats right
12:09 <DrJoeTron> #christmas
12:10 <DrJoeTron> (
12:10 <DrJoeTron> #kill
12:11 <philippeqc> anyone not going to bed want to try a new zone map
12:12 <DrJoeTron> im not going to bed, but ive had my tron fill
12:15 <DrJoeTron> actually, i think im going to make a new wallpaper for my pc
12:15 <DrJoeTron> im thinking something with Robots
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12:36 <philippeqc> joda!!!!1
12:37 <philippeqc> joda_bot: ping
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12:57 <joda_bot> philippeqc: hi
12:57 <philippeqc> hi
12:58 <philippeqc> how are you
12:58 <philippeqc> its been a while I saw you
12:58 <wrtlprnft> i guess it's time for me to fix the HUD map zones :S
12:58 <joda_bot> I'm really busy, just got an 1,3 in an exam, so I'm quite happy, but I have to hand in my thesis on thursday
12:58 <joda_bot> I've been working on the software for the thesis more than I should have, and now I'm late writing the text for it
12:58 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: zones ARE supposed to be destroyed on the client when they disappear, right?
12:58 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes
12:58 <joda_bot> http://homepages.upb.de/joda/cull
12:58 <wrtlprnft> and it looks like they aren't?
12:58 <philippeqc> ok joda, I understand
12:59 <joda_bot> If you've got java installed you might be able to start it
12:59 <philippeqc> o, they are destroyed on my client
12:59 <philippeqc> dont have java here
12:59 <joda_bot> It requires some Hardware Accleration though ;)
12:59 <philippeqc> so just 2 days for your thesis!
12:59 <joda_bot> :|
12:59 <joda_bot> Yeah
12:59 <joda_bot> and I have to bind it and hand in three copies
12:59 <philippeqc> ok, then I wont bother your with team code ;)
13:00 <joda_bot> including the software on CD ;)
13:00 <joda_bot> philippeqc: just implement stuff of it
13:00 <joda_bot> If we have a better idea later we still might change that
13:00 <philippeqc> I have a small "exact name match" stub for now
13:00 <joda_bot> :-)
13:01 <philippeqc> but people dont appreciate that
13:01 <philippeqc> zones are at a working state! Still lots to fix, but working quite fine
13:02 <joda_bot> ok, I'm back to work, I noticed you added alot of code which really wants me to close the other end ... not so long until I can start on it ;)
13:02 * wrtlprnft loves the passive, independend programming of the cockpit :)
13:02 <philippeqc> yes, now I know that you are not dead or missing in action, I can stop worriying
13:03 <philippeqc> good luck joda
13:03 <philippeqc> if you need a short break, check out the server named "zone v2 test server"
13:03 <joda_bot> I just had to focus .. because I got carried away too often by doing unimportant stuff instead of my "assigments"
13:04 <joda_bot> :-)
13:04 <joda_bot> ok
13:04 <philippeqc> yes
13:04 <joda_bot> #afernoon
13:04 <philippeqc> I can understand that
13:04 <philippeqc> cya
13:04 <joda_bot> #afternoon
13:04 <joda_bot> heh ;)
13:04 <joda_bot> ok cu
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13:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma deleted all useful aliases :(
13:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you say zones stay there on real view, or on minimap?
13:05 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's a double zone in the edge in real view
13:05 <wrtlprnft> and some on he HUD map
13:05 <wrtlprnft> like, it's unreachable
13:05 <philippeqc> minimap has a strange behavior, tried to fix it , but to no good. and that seems to be client error
13:05 <wrtlprnft> same edge where the first zone appears
13:05 <philippeqc> was the zone on the edge of map still there?
13:05 <philippeqc> i didnt see it in the latest round
13:05 <wrtlprnft> sev
13:05 <wrtlprnft> *sec
13:06 <wrtlprnft> yes it is there
13:06 <philippeqc> VERY weird
13:06 <philippeqc> stupid bots that kill me
13:07 <wrtlprnft> oh, something else, very annoying
13:08 <wrtlprnft> the current trunk code won't exit
13:08 <philippeqc> what?
13:08 <wrtlprnft> if you close the window disappears, but arma is still not finsihed
13:08 <wrtlprnft> maybe some threading thing
13:09 <philippeqc> you mean when you play on my server?
13:09 <wrtlprnft> no
13:09 <wrtlprnft> always
13:09 <wrtlprnft> i have to do ctrl-z and kill -9 %1
13:10 <philippeqc> ok. I have that sometimes too. often when there is a prog playing music alread (realplay)
13:10 <wrtlprnft> isn't here
13:10 <wrtlprnft> or
13:11 <wrtlprnft> maybe opera
13:11 <wrtlprnft> maybe some f*** flash videp
13:11 <philippeqc> or another arma or music in mozilla
13:11 <philippeqc> yes
13:11 <wrtlprnft> there's no arma running right now
13:11 <wrtlprnft> and no clue how i find out if something is using the sound card
13:12 <philippeqc> I was just listing the instances where I observed that bug.
13:12 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't happen to you right now?
13:12 <philippeqc> yes it did
13:12 <wrtlprnft> :S
13:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't hear any sound from arma
13:13 <philippeqc> but I've stopped realplay (was listening to streaming music)
13:13 <philippeqc> and the problem went away
13:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:14 <wrtlprnft> let's see if it goes away if i kill opera
13:15 <wrtlprnft> indeed, it did go away
13:15 <philippeqc> in a small burst of sound ;)
13:15 <wrtlprnft> played like 1 second of the intro music and then arma died :)
13:15 <philippeqc> yes
13:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: arma won't exit if it can't play sound, can you fix this?
13:16 <wrtlprnft> now, let's see what happens if i restart opera :S
13:16 <wrtlprnft> i need it
13:16 <wrtlprnft> the actual zone destructor only gets called after the round ends
13:17 <wrtlprnft> so the zone is still lurking around, just net rendering itself
13:17 <wrtlprnft> *not
13:17 <wrtlprnft> the minimap is just reading the zone's data
13:18 <philippeqc> yes, but I move the zone to -150 -150 when they are not in use (latest version), so it should not pollute the minimap
13:19 <wrtlprnft> that's where it appears to me
13:19 <wrtlprnft> but it gets rendered too
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13:27 * spidey yawns
13:28 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!!!!!!!
13:28 <wrtlprnft> YAY
13:28 <wrtlprnft> YIPPPEEEEE!
13:28 <philippeqc> what?
13:28 <wrtlprnft> sec
13:28 <wrtlprnft> you'll see
13:28 <philippeqc> now I get the same visual as you reported
13:29 <wrtlprnft> be patient
13:30 <spidey> lol
13:31 <philippeqc> well, I'll be patient and go back to pulling the wallpaper here
13:31 <philippeqc> see you at next break
13:31 <spidey> lol
13:31 <wrtlprnft> wait just 60 seconds
13:31 <philippeqc> ok
13:32 <wrtlprnft> committing
13:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5821 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Zones that are removed from the game won't show up on the minimap anymore
13:32 <wrtlprnft> :D
13:32 <philippeqc> but they arent removed, they are MOVED
13:32 <wrtlprnft> now the map should show the same as the real rendering
13:32 <wrtlprnft> that's the shot issue
13:32 <philippeqc> ok
13:33 <wrtlprnft> well, a zone at (-150, -150) SHOULD still be visible, right?
13:33 <philippeqc> first they where at -50 -50, when I updated the map, I put them to -150 -150
13:33 <wrtlprnft> just make it completely transparent
13:34 <philippeqc> will have to add "affect zone color" to the list of effects
13:34 <philippeqc> they should have a disabled state instead
13:34 <philippeqc> on an open field (no wall) there is no safe location to put them to
13:35 <wrtlprnft> or make them very small?
13:35 <philippeqc> you could still hit them by luck
13:36 <wrtlprnft> or just remove them from the clients and make new ones later?
13:36 <philippeqc> huuuuu, complex to code, but yeah
13:36 <wrtlprnft> that's the clean solution
13:37 <philippeqc> I REALLY just want to make the system public for now, and start getting ideas and suggestion from everybody, rather than fine tuning some parts.
13:38 <philippeqc> ;)
13:38 <philippeqc> but you are like me, and that means that I've kept on fixing stuff for a few days while most people would have gone public ;)
13:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:39 <philippeqc> like the double fortress, they didnt fall back according to their value when nobody was inside them
13:40 <wrtlprnft> they do now?
13:40 <philippeqc> nooooooo
13:40 * wrtlprnft adds an obvious but maybe stupid suggestion: couldn't they move smoothly?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> instead of jumping
13:41 <philippeqc> it will need a major change of the general structure (if I go with the idea I have right now). But if I'm to get my hands back in there, I'd prefer to have other input so I can do 1 big change rather than many medium big correction
13:41 <philippeqc> yes, its called tValue ;)
13:41 <wrtlprnft> ah, true
13:41 <wrtlprnft> or tCode, as luke-jr_ prefers
13:41 <philippeqc> tWhatEva
13:42 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just use gTehSuck aka gltron?
13:42 <philippeqc> hummm, do you have a parser now, or still nothing
13:43 <wrtlprnft> i don't have anything, luke-jr_ made a branch with his stuff
13:43 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, i'm supposed to be looking at it
13:43 <philippeqc> sad, I would have liked to start hacking in some tX in it, and just be sure I call the "parser" even if it only accept const for now
13:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah, the code looks pretty good, i hope it will support different data types
13:46 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do your own. when both are ready, we pick the best parts of each solutions
13:46 <wrtlprnft> probably not that soon
13:47 <philippeqc> not even a k1 + k2*x ?
13:47 <philippeqc> that is all I need to make the zone move like you described
13:47 <wrtlprnft> i know
13:47 <philippeqc> darn
13:48 <wrtlprnft> actually it shouldn't be that much
13:48 <wrtlprnft> keep bugging me, maybe I'll get somewhere until the end of the week
13:48 <wrtlprnft> still too hot to do anything serious methinks
13:48 * wrtlprnft loves lame excuses
13:49 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you need to stand up for your own and do your own thing
13:49 * philippeqc give the example of how much I let Louven stop me.
13:49 <wrtlprnft> I'll do something this evening when it's cooler, promised
13:50 <DrJoeTron> finished my backround :D
13:50 <philippeqc> link DrJoeTron
13:50 <philippeqc> link, DrJoeTron
13:51 <spidey> hahah
13:51 <spidey> i get 15 ffps in tron
13:51 <spidey> ;x
13:51 <spidey> pluss my texxt lagss
13:51 <spidey> soo i ddouble lettters sometimes
13:52 <spidey> i'mma restart x,brb
13:52 <DrJoeTron> i took advantage of a bombing and put giant robots in it
13:52 <DrJoeTron> the pic is small and blurred up as a wall paper
13:52 <DrJoeTron> so i gotta make a new one
13:52 <DrJoeTron> www.w-w-c.net/misc/robore.gif
13:54 <DrJoeTron> its realy hard finding pics of mass hysteria or explosions and disasters
13:54 <spidey> 06:54:15 up 15:45, 1 user, load average: 2.83, 3.88, 3.49
13:54 <spidey> gr
13:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing
13:55 <spidey> ok,i'maa format bbl
13:55 <wrtlprnft> even my server is higher now
13:55 <spidey> well
13:55 <spidey> your server isn't getitng system lag is it?
13:55 <spidey> or xorg isn't using 50%-70+% of the cpu cycle
13:55 <philippeqc> focus
13:56 <wrtlprnft> my server isn't running x11
13:57 <DrJoeTron> why am i not suprised that when i type in terrorist attacks i get the WTC
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14:08 * Lizz pokes ppl to see if anyones awake
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14:10 <Nixda494> first time here
14:10 <Nixda494> using wrtl's invitation
14:10 <Nixda494> checking out how it is possible to use this for the ladle
14:10 <Nixda494> though i am not sure how it works
14:11 <Nixda494> anyone else here?
14:11 <Nixda494> is there another room somewhere?
14:14 <Nixda494> nope?
14:14 <Nixda494> oh well
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14:17 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif made another one XD
14:17 <DrJoeTron> this is too fun
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14:17 <Nixda345> boo
14:18 <DrJoeTron> making robots taking over the world is so fun
14:18 <Nixda345> hehhe
14:18 <Nixda345> um... hi
14:18 <DrJoeTron> hey nix
14:18 <Nixda345> this is 2020
14:18 <DrJoeTron> erm
14:18 <DrJoeTron> 2020
14:18 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif
14:18 <Nixda345> using wrtl's preset
14:18 <Nixda345> meaning...?
14:18 <Lizz> hiya 202 :D
14:19 <Lizz> 2020
14:19 <Nixda345> i am trying to get some chatroom thingy for the ladle
14:19 <Nixda345> hi lizz
14:19 <Lizz> <~~~~ wizzee
14:19 <Nixda345> something easy to use
14:19 <Nixda345> aaaah
14:19 <Lizz> :)
14:19 <DrJoeTron> uhm....
14:19 <Nixda345> h:)
14:19 <Nixda345> and wrtl suggested this
14:19 <Nixda345> i have a few questions...
14:19 <Nixda345> do you have a mo...?
14:19 <DrJoeTron> i highly dont consider this user friendly
14:20 <Nixda345> hehehehhe
14:20 <Lizz> joes himself isnt very user friendly tho :P
14:20 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
14:20 <Nixda345> now now
14:20 <Lizz> lmao
14:20 <Nixda345> so... do you have a mo...?
14:20 <Lizz> i luv joe.. he knows that ;)
14:21 <Nixda345> the lobster mafia head honcho
14:21 <Nixda345> anyhooo.... how do i change my nickname?
14:21 * Lizz slaps joe with a smelly shrimp
14:21 <Lizz> type /nick (nme)
14:21 <DrJoeTron> :D
14:21 <DrJoeTron> nah dont bother
14:22 <DrJoeTron> its not working for some reason
14:22 <Nixda345> 2020
14:22 <Nixda345> hmmm
14:22 <Nixda345> 2020)
14:22 <Nixda345> umm... i typed /nick
14:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah see
14:22 <Nixda345> and various things after it
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14:23 -!- grrrrr is now known as Lizz
14:23 <Lizz> works for me :/
14:23 <Nixda345> that's german to me
14:23 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as JOEBO
14:23 <Nixda345> do i have to write /ihren?
14:23 -!- JOEBO is now known as DrJoeTron
14:23 <Lizz> u have to be registered to do it joe?
14:23 <DrJoeTron> no
14:23 <DrJoeTron> im not registered
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hes doing it wrong
14:24 <Nixda345> i am thanks
14:24 <Nixda345> what do i type then please...
14:24 <DrJoeTron> "/nick 2020"
14:24 <Lizz> ya ya
14:24 <Nixda345> just did
14:24 <Nixda345> no change
14:24 <DrJoeTron> do it with passion!
14:24 <Nixda345> promise
14:24 <Nixda345> heheh
14:24 <Lizz> lolol
14:24 <Nixda345> you pulling my probiscus?
14:24 * DrJoeTron does it with passion
14:24 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as Basketball
14:25 <Basketball> see?
14:25 <Lizz> ooooooooooooooo
14:25 <Nixda345> now you are showing off
14:25 -!- Basketball is now known as DrJoeTron
14:25 <DrJoeTron> :D
14:25 <Lizz> maybe coz its numbers
14:25 <DrJoeTron> or just do it on your client
14:25 <Nixda345> i wrote "/nick 2020"
14:25 <DrJoeTron> disconnect
14:25 <Lizz> didnt work for me
14:25 <Nixda345> ok
14:25 <Lizz> no joe
14:25 <DrJoeTron> and do it there
14:25 <DrJoeTron> why not?
14:25 <Lizz> its the numbers
14:25 -!- Nixda345 is now known as poop
14:25 <poop> i tried poop
14:25 <Lizz> lol
14:25 <DrJoeTron> hehe
14:25 <poop> but that didn't work e--- aha!
14:25 <poop> hehhe
14:25 <DrJoeTron> type out twenty twenty
14:25 <poop> coolio
14:25 <Lizz> try e2020
14:26 <poop> thangs
14:26 -!- poop is now known as e2020
14:26 <DrJoeTron> or two zero two zero XD
14:26 <e2020> aso it it
14:26 <e2020> ok ok
14:26 <e2020> next step...
14:26 <Lizz> yay
14:26 <e2020> how can i set up a channel for team captains to use
14:26 * Lizz claps
14:26 * e2020 bows
14:26 <DrJoeTron> erm
14:26 * Lizz laffs
14:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah 2020, i dont think this would be a good place
14:27 <e2020> it would be nice to set up a room just for teamcaptains with some kind of password
14:27 <e2020> wrtl thinks it might be good
14:27 <e2020> why not drjoe?
14:27 <Lizz> <~~~~ is not the person to ask
14:27 <e2020> heheh ok
14:27 <DrJoeTron> well see me, im your average slightly avid computer user
14:27 <e2020> ok...
14:28 <DrJoeTron> i can barely get this working, too many options too many things can go wrong
14:28 <e2020> hehehhehahha ok
14:28 <DrJoeTron> which equal a thousand questions
14:28 <e2020> that's why i was wanting something even a fool like me could use...
14:28 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
14:28 <DrJoeTron> why not create a message board
14:28 <DrJoeTron> most message boards carry a chat room function
14:28 <Lizz> wrt can help u.. so can luci an spider and heaps of others
14:29 <e2020> they can... i know.... how can i find them...?
14:29 <DrJoeTron> www.google.com :p
14:29 <e2020> hehe ok ok
14:29 <DrJoeTron> haha jk ill look some up
14:29 <Lizz> prolly asleep
14:29 <e2020> btw guys... why aren't you up for the ladle event this weekend?
14:29 <Lizz> coz
14:30 <e2020> ah... that explains it then...
14:30 <Lizz> lol
14:30 <Lizz> u kno i wont play 20
14:30 <e2020> don't see why not... but cool
14:31 <e2020> you are not a fortress addict are you
14:31 <e2020> anyhoo... i will return sometime soon
14:31 <e2020> perhaps find the others
14:31 <Lizz> umm not with a 400+ping no
14:31 <e2020> hehhe no
14:31 <Lizz> ;)
14:31 <e2020> we need an australian server
14:32 <DrJoeTron> i'll be asleep
14:32 <e2020> so... unless you guys have anything more to say... which might help....
14:32 <e2020> ah
14:32 <e2020> pity
14:32 <Lizz> yes we do.. and there is one.. no one plays tho.. they dont like playing with a 200 ping >.<
14:32 <DrJoeTron> nah im content with it
14:32 <e2020> well
14:32 <e2020> i think you should set up your team to play on it and challenge another team to play there...
14:32 <e2020> like home game and away games...
14:32 <e2020> gtg...
14:32 <e2020> thanks for help
14:33 <Lizz> cya tc 20
14:33 <e2020> you guys ar elovely
14:33 <Lizz> lol
14:33 <e2020> guys-girls.. .you know what i mean...
14:33 <Lizz> lol bye
14:33 <e2020> thanks again and see you on the grid...
14:34 <DrJoeTron> tata
14:34 -!- e2020 [n=51987157@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
14:35 <DrJoeTron> oh 2020
14:35 <DrJoeTron> he so' carazy
14:35 <spidey> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz Video: Default Monitor on (1280x1024x32bpp 1Hz) Sound: Primary Sound Capture Driver Memory: Used: 119/376MB Uptime: 5m 20s HD: [C:] 64.39/111.75 GB [F:] 11.21/12.72 GB Connection: ADMtek AN983 based ethernet adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 0.02MB Sent: 0.01MB)
14:35 <DrJoeTron> i was trying to find him stuff
14:35 <spidey> formatted lx
14:35 <DrJoeTron> thats yours?
14:35 <DrJoeTron> how do you do that :p
14:36 <spidey> heavily modded mirc client
14:36 * spidey --||/|/|/|
14:36 * spidey --|------|
14:36 * spidey --|--(o)(o)
14:36 * spidey --C-------)
14:36 * spidey --|---/__|--Dont have a cow man!
14:36 * spidey --|----/
14:36 * spidey -/-----|
14:36 <spidey> ;D
14:36 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
14:36 <DrJoeTron> weirdy
14:36 <Lizz> cute
14:36 * spidey drops a toilet on Lizz and p00p falls out of it!
14:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.w-w-c.net/misc/ohms.gif watcha think spidey
14:37 * Lizz pukes on spider
14:37 * DrJoeTron eats the puke
14:37 <spidey> ?
14:37 <Lizz> O.O
14:37 * spidey Hiya Lizz ! .. I think you're incredibly sexy.
14:37 * spidey How've you been? What a wonderful bod you have!
14:37 * spidey Great to see ya! I want you NOW!! ...
14:37 * spidey Take care, now!! Bark like a dog for me Baby!!
14:37 * spidey Pull w/mouse! => * {Just kidding!!}
14:38 <Lizz> LOL
14:38 <Lizz> thats funny :D
14:38 <spidey> lol
14:38 <spidey> * {Just kidding!!}
14:38 <spidey> [05:38] ( Lizz ) -LOL
14:38 <spidey> er
14:38 <spidey> for some odd reason
14:38 <Lizz> barks like a dog
14:38 <spidey> everything everyone says starts with a "-"
14:38 <spidey> :/
14:39 <spidey> now when i get home i'ma make a 30gig ext2 partition
14:39 <spidey> and pick a new distro
14:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey my plane came in :D
14:41 <DrJoeTron> wanna fly it?
14:41 <DrJoeTron> too bad!
14:41 <spidey> cool
14:41 <spidey> now send it to me
14:41 <spidey> or i'll call your grandma and tell on you
14:41 * DrJoeTron no's
14:41 <DrJoeTron> my grandma is in the hospital :/
14:41 <spidey> wtf
14:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so it is true?
14:41 <spidey> something's messed up
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is a female person in here? :o
14:42 <Lizz> ya ya
14:42 <DrJoeTron> oh man
14:42 <DrJoeTron> we better ask her out
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> j/k
14:42 <Lizz> joe has always been female didnt u kno?
14:42 <spidey> strange
14:42 <spidey> i thought [Xpert]DarkStar was the female
14:42 <DrJoeTron> (*) (*)
14:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: i like you :D
14:42 <Lizz> lol dark
14:44 * Lizz throws another smelly shrimp in joes direction
14:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lolol
14:44 <spidey> RED ALERT DrJoeTron HAS ENTERED THE ROOM! RED ALERT
14:44 -!- Nixda327 [n=51a86194@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
14:44 <DrJoeTron> RUH ROH
14:44 <Lizz> wb 2020
14:45 <Lizz> spider
14:45 <Lizz> help 2020
14:45 <DrJoeTron> yes?
14:45 <spidey> CAUTION DrJoeTron IS HERE!! CAUTION
14:45 <spidey> and is probably stealing your popups!
14:45 <spidey> Hit Alt F4 to lock your Names list!!!
14:45 <spidey> ;x
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and your virgin daughters
14:45 <Lizz> lol
14:45 <spidey> lol
14:45 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
14:45 <Lizz> im safe then :D
14:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: why do you think you are safe?
14:46 <Lizz> coz im no virgin
14:46 <DrJoeTron> ignorance is bliss
14:46 <spidey> help 2020 with?
14:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lizz: ah i c
14:46 <Lizz> room stuff spider
14:46 <DrJoeTron> he wants to set fire to a building
14:46 <spidey> .....
14:46 <DrJoeTron> and eat ants
14:46 <Nixda327> hello
14:46 <spidey> hi
14:46 <DrJoeTron> we felt you were qualified for the job
14:47 <DrJoeTron> you fire starting ant eater you
14:47 <spidey> DrJoeTron no that's damien
14:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:47 <Lizz> lol poor damo
14:47 <spidey> he blows stuff on purpose
14:48 <spidey> i blow stuff up trying to fix something that's not broke
14:48 -!- groundpig [i=groundpi@rrcs-67-53-6-47.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
14:48 <spidey> ;x
14:48 <DrJoeTron> you dumb dora!
14:48 <groundpig> hi all - think i fixed the soccer ball out of grid problem
14:48 <spidey> cool
14:48 <Lizz> hi GP
14:48 <Nixda327> It's more like air hockey
14:49 <groundpig> true, more like air hockey
14:49 <spidey> someone should get a recording of that instant death bug
14:49 <spidey> everytime i record it never happens
14:49 <groundpig> that always kills me
14:49 <groundpig> always
14:50 <spidey> ya it killed me and mom like 2 outta 3 rounds
14:50 <spidey> heh
14:50 <Nixda327> bye
14:50 -!- Nixda327 [n=51a86194@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
14:50 <Lizz> cya 2020
14:50 <Lizz> :(
14:50 <spidey> hmm
14:50 <groundpig> can someone try to send the ball outside grid?
14:51 <DrJoeTron> yes
14:51 <spidey> sure,i gotta reinstall tron though
14:53 * Lizz throws nuts at darkstar coz she can
14:56 <spidey> it's a good thing i backed that namepicker thing up to my webserver
14:56 <spidey> O.o
14:58 <spidey> um
14:58 <spidey> tron crashed when i loaded my cockpitfile
14:58 <spidey> O.o
14:58 <Lizz> :P
14:59 <spidey> heh
14:59 <spidey> it did it again
15:00 <spidey> hmmm
15:01 <spidey> ok
15:01 <spidey> so
15:01 <spidey> it crashes when you try to load anycockpit
15:01 * Lizz giggles at arac
15:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft
15:06 <DrJoeTron> ko
15:06 <DrJoeTron> tron loves to crash
15:08 <Compn1> is there a place to download custom cameras?
15:08 <Compn1> :)
15:08 <Compn1> or even a list of settings for good custom cams?
15:10 <spidey> hm
15:11 -!- spidey_ [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
15:11 <spidey_> oop
15:12 -!- spidey_ [n=spidey@68-112-89-117.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit]
15:12 -!- spidey is now known as spidey_
15:12 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
15:12 <spidey> i love psybnc
15:12 <spidey> lx
15:12 <spidey> ;x
15:12 <Compn1> heh
15:13 <spidey> -Welcome- psyBNC2.3.2-4
15:13 <spidey> --psyBNC- Your IRC Client did not support a password. Please type /QUOTE PASS yourpassword to connect.
15:13 <spidey> ;x
15:16 <Compn1> ya /quote pass spideycantplaytron
15:16 <Compn1> ;p
15:16 <spidey> spidey owns kamakazi
15:16 <spidey> bish
15:16 <DrJoeTron> alright il be back
15:17 <spidey> if i wasn't playing with 12-17 fps and tron didn't crash when i tried to load my cockpit,i'd say i would prove you wrong
15:17 <Compn1> lol
15:17 <Compn1> spidey : where is your cockpit at, can i try it ?
15:17 <spidey> i'll have to upload it
15:18 <spidey> sec
15:19 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test4.xml
15:19 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-218-194.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
15:20 <spidey> actually that don't work
15:20 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/spidey/
15:20 <spidey> rightclick test4.xml and save target as
15:20 <Compn1> spidey : i use wget ;p
15:21 <spidey> oh
15:21 <Compn1> wget for windows :)
15:21 <spidey> heh
15:22 <Compn1> how do you load a cockpit?
15:22 <Compn1> console says nothing about load or cockpit
15:22 <spidey> copy it to resource\included
15:22 <spidey> then open tron
15:22 <spidey> console key
15:22 <spidey> cockpit_file test4.xml
15:23 <Compn1> command cockpit_file unknown
15:24 <Compn1> do i need .3?
15:24 <spidey> yes
15:24 <spidey> but don't get it
15:24 <spidey> if you try to load a cockpit file it crashes,wait for wrtlprnft to fix it :p
15:24 <Compn1> hehe
15:24 <Compn1> crashes on linux?
15:24 <Compn1> maybe no crash on win ;p
15:24 <spidey> i'm on windows
15:24 <Compn1> aj
15:25 <spidey> i formatted
15:25 <spidey> gonna make a 30gig nix partition when i get home from testing today
15:28 * spidey already misses kcalc
15:28 <spidey> :<
15:29 <wrtlprnft> wassup?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> glad 2020 found his way here
15:29 <spidey> wrtlprnft, .3 crashes when loading a cockpit
15:30 <wrtlprnft> which cockpit.
15:30 <spidey> mine,any of the others i tried
15:30 <Compn1> wrtlprnft : http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test4.xml
15:30 <spidey> ya that one
15:31 * Compn1 guesses spidey just missed an xml tag ;p
15:31 <spidey> no?
15:31 <spidey> Compn1, it works fine on the release before last
15:31 <spidey> so i didn't miss it :)
15:32 <wrtlprnft> second, currently reading the forums
15:32 <spidey> weird
15:32 <spidey> my last test in math doesn't have a self test
15:33 * spidey wonders what they're gonna do to see fi i passed it
15:33 <spidey> O.o
15:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6511 <-- I'll pass that over to you, who wrote it
15:36 <wrtlprnft> doesn't crash for me, but i get very weird effects
15:36 <spidey> >.<
15:36 <wrtlprnft> probably something about the order it's rendered in
15:36 <spidey> maybe only the windows version crashes?
15:36 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec, I'll give you a screenshot
15:37 <wrtlprnft> and, can you please upload your stuff to the resource repository? It's soooo much easier for me to work with it
15:37 <spidey> :/
15:37 <spidey> don't have a account
15:37 <wrtlprnft> i need a more efficient screenshot upload script, really
15:37 <wrtlprnft> spidey: get one
15:37 <wrtlprnft> PM luke-jr_
15:38 <spidey> luke-jr_, smells
15:38 <Lizz> like shrimps
15:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey, does more
15:38 <spidey> lol
15:38 <spidey> but
15:38 <spidey> wrtlprnft, smells like cow ass
15:38 <spidey> ;D
15:38 <Lizz> uve sniffed a cows ass to be able to tell??? o.O
15:38 <spidey> >.<
15:38 <Lizz> meh
15:38 * wrtlprnft sprays cow dung into spidey's face
15:39 <spidey> O.o
15:39 * spidey hides behind madmax|pt
15:39 * wrtlprnft showers both
15:39 <spidey> lol
15:39 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=409
15:39 <wrtlprnft> the last one
15:39 <madmax|pt> doh
15:39 <spidey> -O.o
15:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=409 <-- the first two are for you, but they're a bit old
15:39 <madmax|pt> don't hide behind me
15:39 <spidey> is that cause of my cockpit
15:40 <spidey> or the client?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> probably a bug in the client that gets triggered by the cockpit ;)
15:40 <Lizz> max?? spider goes around smelling cows bottoms :/
15:40 <Compn1> wrtlprnft : what cockpit do you use?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> Compn1: wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
15:40 <wrtlprnft> uses all the latest bells and whistles available
15:41 <wrtlprnft> try cockpit keys 1 and 2
15:41 <spidey> hmm
15:42 <spidey> i'ma fail science
15:42 <spidey> >.<
15:42 * wrtlprnft loves how he can just stick spidey
15:42 <spidey> i think,lemme go averge my hrades
15:42 <spidey> stick spidey?
15:42 <wrtlprnft> 's badly named file into resource/proto and it gets sorted automatically
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and I don't even have to worry about accidently committing something I don't want
15:42 <spidey> why would you stick me?
15:43 <madmax|pt> omg Lizz
15:43 <Lizz> ?
15:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you have to read them together
15:43 <cusco> dudes
15:44 <wrtlprnft> i just pressed return instead of ' accidently
15:44 <cusco> I was just comenentig with madmax|pt
15:44 <Lizz> hiya cus
15:44 * wrtlprnft loves how he can just stick spidey's badly named file into resource/proto and it gets sorted automatically
15:44 <cusco> it says 8pm GMT
15:44 <cusco> gmt is london hour
15:44 <cusco> right
15:44 * Lizz says its 11 44pm AU time
15:44 <wrtlprnft> that's in 6 hours 15 minutes
15:44 <wrtlprnft> no
15:44 <cusco> for instance madrid is on GMT + 1
15:44 <madmax|pt> nooo not this talk again
15:44 <wrtlprnft> gmt is london hour, winter time
15:44 <madmax|pt> lol
15:44 <madmax|pt> yea
15:45 <wrtlprnft> just add 6 hours 15 minutes to whatever your local time is
15:45 <madmax|pt> in summer london, lisbon and stuff are GM+1 cause of daylight savings time
15:45 <spidey> hahahah
15:46 <spidey> i'm gonna have a 55 in science
15:46 <spidey> :<
15:46 <madmax|pt> lol
15:46 <Lizz> heh
15:46 <Lizz> noooooooooob spider
15:46 <cusco> are hmm ok
15:47 <spidey> 79 in math O.o
15:47 <spidey> i'ma pass everything but science
15:47 <spidey> and i'll have 5 0's
15:47 <spidey> no
15:47 <spidey> 4
15:48 <Lizz> not bad for a noob i guess
15:48 <spidey> because today ends this year and i didn't finish 4 books
15:48 <spidey> so i get 0s in them
15:48 <spidey> i'll have a 100 in history ;D
15:48 <spidey> <3 hostory
15:49 <Lizz> better do better in english :/
15:49 <spidey> sad, my strong subjects are
15:49 <wrtlprnft> lol
15:49 <wrtlprnft> somehow all those lines point to the bot
15:49 <wrtlprnft> on my screen
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15:49 <spidey> history > math > science >
15:49 <spidey> and i did better in english than math
15:49 <spidey> :/
15:50 <Lizz> cant tell :P
15:50 <spidey> psh
15:50 <Lizz> heh
15:50 -!- Compn1 [i=lksdfn@cpe-65-29-121-215.twmi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
15:50 <wrtlprnft> physics > math > everything else
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
15:50 <spidey> well
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how can phys > math
15:50 <spidey> my strongest subject is
15:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
15:50 <spidey> beat [Xpert]DarkStar in the head
15:50 <spidey> i get 105 in it
15:51 <wrtlprnft> everything else is way greater than history
15:51 <spidey> no
15:51 <wrtlprnft> but maybe the patriotic bs they do in american history is fun
15:51 <spidey> i lsited my strong subject first
15:51 <spidey> not really,we had a ugly teacher
15:51 <spidey> so i wasn't staren at her all the time
15:51 <wrtlprnft> oh no
15:51 <spidey> = better grades
15:51 <wrtlprnft> it's gradients that screw up
15:52 <spidey> but my english teacher
15:52 <spidey> omg was she fine
15:52 <spidey> ;x
15:52 <wrtlprnft> no it isn't
15:52 <spidey> ?
15:53 <wrtlprnft> wasn't gradients
15:53 <spidey> #dict gradients
15:53 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "gradients" could be found.
15:53 <Compn> spidey : you are growing up at the right time
15:53 <spidey> ?
15:53 <Compn> when i was a kid all teachers were ugly as hell
15:53 <spidey> hahah
15:53 <Compn> now there are fine teachers screwing kids
15:53 <wrtlprnft> <Gradient orientation="vertical">
15:53 <spidey> oh
15:53 <Compn> mary kay latournou! whoo
15:53 <spidey> no
15:53 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:54 <spidey> her name was mrs kerry
15:54 <spidey> and she was =P~
15:54 <Lizz> her name was ho wasnt it ?? >.<
15:54 <spidey> my science teacher was some old ass woman
15:54 <spidey> fun part
15:54 <spidey> my english teacher was also my pe coach
15:54 * Lizz cant imagine teaching spider and having the hots for him :/
15:54 <spidey> =P~
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my chem teacher is cool, always screwing up experiments and almost blowing out the windows of the room
15:55 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, we're not talking about guys :D
15:55 <spidey> that's your personal buisness ;x
15:56 <Lizz> LOL
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my bio teacher is a woman
15:56 * Lizz smacks spider for dark
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sorta strange...
15:56 * [Xpert]DarkStar ducks
15:56 * Lizz quacks
15:56 <spidey> #bomb Lizz
15:56 * [Xpert]DarkStar stabs Lizz in the face
15:56 <spidey> haha
15:57 <madmax|pt> that's sick
15:57 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, you'll never get a woman like that ;x
15:57 <Lizz> gee.. so much for me smacking spider for ya :/
15:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
15:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet irc while stressed is not good for me
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause i misread that
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i thought you had smacked me for spidey 0o
15:58 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, only if your name is [Xpert]DarkStar
15:58 <Lizz> O.o
15:58 <spidey> deja_vu
15:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and spidey
15:58 <Lizz> nuts
15:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why get a woman when i have one?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no wonder, my friend, why your cockpit won't work
15:59 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, your name is spidey?
15:59 <spidey> cool,mine is to
15:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, why?
15:59 <wrtlprnft> you aren't specifying minimums and maximums for some gauges
15:59 <spidey> so?
15:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: i _misread_ it, OK?
15:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft, it always worked before no problem
15:59 * [Xpert]DarkStar slaps spidey with windows me
15:59 <wrtlprnft> <DataSet>
15:59 <wrtlprnft> <AtomicData field="source" source="player_speed" />
16:00 <wrtlprnft> </DataSet>
16:00 <wrtlprnft> this can never have worked
16:00 <spidey> yes....
16:00 <spidey> it can to
16:00 <spidey> it did
16:00 <wrtlprnft> at least not in a meaningful way
16:00 <spidey> exaplin this
16:00 <spidey> it worked on the other releases of .3
16:00 <spidey> the newest one it crashes
16:00 <wrtlprnft> did it ever display horizontal gauges?
16:01 <spidey> no?
16:01 <wrtlprnft> well
16:01 <spidey> only vertical
16:01 <wrtlprnft> your cockpit file contains horizontal gauges
16:01 <spidey> yes
16:01 <spidey> and no
16:01 <wrtlprnft> it does contain them
16:01 <spidey> 'er
16:01 <spidey> ok
16:01 <wrtlprnft> there's probably some undefined behaviour triggered I have to fix
16:01 <spidey> !
16:01 <spidey> wait
16:01 <wrtlprnft> so some small code change influenced this
16:02 <spidey> the horizontal are for the output
16:02 <philippeqc> back
16:02 <wrtlprnft> what output?
16:02 <spidey> like you know you can't center the output?
16:02 <spidey> like ruber usage = 10
16:02 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:02 <spidey> or w/e
16:02 <spidey> i made a horizontal guage without a background and put it over the vertical
16:02 <spidey> and centered it
16:02 <wrtlprnft> well
16:03 <wrtlprnft> let me check something
16:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft, no excuse you tried this same cockpit before
16:03 <spidey> remember?
16:03 <spidey> it worked fine
16:03 <spidey> because you gave me a screenshot
16:03 <wrtlprnft> may be
16:04 <wrtlprnft> but it was never supported behaviour like that
16:04 <wrtlprnft> give it a min and max
16:04 <wrtlprnft> and a __truely__ transparent BG (solid with alpha="0")
16:04 <wrtlprnft> and it should work
16:04 <spidey> it doesn't have a background at all
16:04 <spidey> it's like the speed guage
16:05 <wrtlprnft> no background == white background
16:05 <spidey> no
16:05 <wrtlprnft> YES
16:05 <spidey> i just removed gradient and the other thing
16:05 <wrtlprnft> no min/max = undefined behaviour
16:05 <spidey> = no guage
16:05 <spidey> >.<
16:05 <spidey> i give up
16:05 <wrtlprnft> so, previously it rendered nothing
16:05 <spidey> i'll download the release it worked on and use it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> because if it had rendered it would have been white
16:06 <spidey> exactly
16:06 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:06 <spidey> it was only a text
16:06 <spidey> no background
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 1) give it a completely transparent fore/background
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 2) give it a min and max
16:06 <spidey> 3) i give up
16:06 <wrtlprnft> 3) set ShowMin, ShowMax and friends to false
16:07 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you won't understand, won't you?
16:07 <spidey> i understand,but i don't understand how that's the problem
16:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it is a problem
16:08 <spidey> <wrtlprnft> spidey: you won't understand, won't you? << make that make sense first >.<
16:08 <wrtlprnft> a gauge without min or max doesn't make sense
16:08 <spidey> it's
16:08 <spidey> not
16:08 <spidey> a
16:08 <spidey> guage
16:08 <wrtlprnft> arma should have thrown an error while parsing and refuse to use the file
16:09 <spidey> it didn't
16:09 <wrtlprnft> but it didn't, so some random bug made it happen to work the way you wanted
16:09 <wrtlprnft> you
16:09 <wrtlprnft> arte
16:09 <wrtlprnft> *are
16:09 <wrtlprnft> defining
16:09 <wrtlprnft> the
16:09 <wrtlprnft> thing
16:09 <wrtlprnft> as
16:09 <wrtlprnft> a
16:09 <wrtlprnft> <BarGauge camera="all">
16:09 <spidey> >.<
16:11 <spidey> ok
16:11 <spidey> lets try this
16:11 <spidey> hold on
16:12 <wrtlprnft> other method
16:12 <wrtlprnft> don't worry about back/foregrounds
16:12 <wrtlprnft> just set min and max and change the height to 0
16:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99633
16:13 <wrtlprnft> that works
16:14 <wrtlprnft> change all your gauges that way and let me fix the bug that caused all of this in the first place
16:17 <wrtlprnft> ah, btw, the bug was caused by an uncaught division by 0
16:18 <wrtlprnft> all of min, max, and value default to 0
16:18 <wrtlprnft> and it checked and aborted if min was > max
16:18 <wrtlprnft> but not if they were equeal
16:18 <wrtlprnft> so (value - min) / (max-min) is a division by 0
16:20 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5822 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cGauges.cpp: Fixed division by 0 if the minimum and maximum for a gauge are the same (or not defined in the cockpit, in which case they'll default to 0)
16:20 <wrtlprnft> :D
16:20 <spidey> weeeeee
16:20 <spidey> errrr*
16:20 <spidey> parse error :<
16:20 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:21 <wrtlprnft> when parsing what?
16:21 <spidey> <VerticalBarGauge camera="all">
16:21 <spidey> it says the ">"
16:21 <wrtlprnft> full error message?
16:21 <spidey> sec
16:21 <wrtlprnft> feel free to paste it into my bin
16:23 <spidey> must be that time of day
16:23 <spidey> my connection = shitty
16:23 <spidey> :<
16:23 <spidey> http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8016/untitledzr0.jpg
16:27 <wrtlprnft> you sure you pasted everything?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> ie, what's the line before that?
16:29 <spidey> yes....
16:29 <wrtlprnft> ...
16:30 <wrtlprnft> i asked, what is the line before that?
16:30 <spidey> my barguages all look like that
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the first non- blank line
16:30 <spidey> </BarGauge>
16:30 <wrtlprnft> can you just paste the whole thing?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/new.php
16:30 <spidey> the whole cockpit?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:31 <wrtlprnft> got it
16:31 <spidey> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99651
16:31 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:31 <wrtlprnft> there's a "Rescent Posts" thing :)
16:31 <spidey> oh
16:31 * Lizz waves goodnight.... smacks spider... and runs off to bed
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16:32 <spidey> :/
16:33 <wrtlprnft> parses just fine for me
16:33 <spidey> er!
16:33 <spidey> yes,i changed something before posting
16:33 <spidey> not sure what,i just copied that guage from the backup i got of it
16:33 <spidey> does it look right now?
16:33 <spidey> or still weird
16:34 <wrtlprnft> looks fine
16:34 <spidey> well
16:34 <spidey> that one crashes tron it
16:34 <spidey> :/
16:34 <wrtlprnft> just change the height of the other 2 gauges to 0
16:34 <spidey> if it looks fine for you,why does it still crash tron for me?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99657
16:35 <wrtlprnft> that's what works for me
16:36 <spidey> i get 2 more parser errors with that one
16:37 <wrtlprnft> parser errors... weird
16:37 <spidey> aahhah
16:37 <spidey> nvm
16:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:38 <spidey> somereason when i copied it it only copied from "</background>" of the first vertical guage down
16:38 <wrtlprnft> well
16:38 <wrtlprnft> that's an explanation ;)
16:39 <spidey> ok
16:39 <spidey> i got it
16:39 <spidey> but...
16:39 <spidey> crash
16:40 <spidey> could it only be the windows version doing it?
16:40 <spidey> Compn
16:41 <wrtlprnft> weird
16:41 <wrtlprnft> do you have a debugger?
16:41 <spidey> no
16:41 <spidey> i just installed windows :p
16:41 <spidey> i can get one, will ollydb do?
16:42 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:42 <spidey> oh yea
16:42 <spidey> nvm,heh
16:43 <wrtlprnft> as long as it can print stack traces, yes
16:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, does it crash on game start or when you enter the game?
16:43 <spidey> dunno
16:43 <spidey> didn't try that
16:43 <spidey> only tried loading it while the game was started
16:43 <spidey> sec
16:44 <spidey> ok
16:44 <spidey> yes it does
16:44 <wrtlprnft> when does it crash?
16:46 <spidey> when i enter a game
16:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:47 <wrtlprnft> need a debugger
16:49 * deja_vu slaps spidey with a bug O.o
16:49 <spidey> deja_vu,
16:49 <deja_vu> spidey:
16:49 <deja_vu> the HL-wars :O
16:55 * wrtlprnft slaps deja_vu with spidey
16:55 <spidey> O.o
16:55 * wrtlprnft stabs spidey with deja_vu
16:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft, olly won't extract and i can't find a signle debugger for windows
16:55 <spidey> just articles and stuff on them
16:56 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5823 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/ (cGauges.cpp cGauges.h): Improved handling of captions for VerticalBarGauges, they now get displayed under or above the whole gauge. This should make ugly constructs with BarGauges without actual data to center the caption unnecessary.
16:56 <wrtlprnft> spidey: gdb should exist for windows
16:57 * deja_vu slaps spidey with debug.exe
16:58 <wrtlprnft> http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/
16:58 <spidey> i don't see a .exe there :p
16:59 <wrtlprnft> > GDB can run on most popular UNIX and Microsoft Windows variants.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> dunno where it is
17:02 <spidey> hmm
17:02 <spidey> guay
17:02 <spidey> it's not on that site,it's on another one
17:02 <spidey> http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml
17:03 <spidey> ok
17:03 <spidey> now how i use this? O.o
17:04 <wrtlprnft> http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_toc.html
17:04 <wrtlprnft> call it on the command line with the .exe as parameter
17:04 <wrtlprnft> then type run<return>
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and when it crashes (better not in fullscreen) go back to the gdb window
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and type bt<enter>
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and give me the results of that
17:07 <spidey> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
17:07 <spidey> 0x5ed39e5a in _libwinmm_a_iname ()
17:07 <spidey> that?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> ok
17:08 <wrtlprnft> now type bt
17:09 <spidey> (gdb) bt
17:09 <spidey> No stack.
17:09 <spidey> oh
17:09 <spidey> wait
17:12 <spidey> it wont' go outta fullscreen :/
17:13 <spidey> (gdb) bt
17:13 <spidey> #0 0x5ed39e5a in _libwinmm_a_iname ()
17:13 <spidey> Cannot access memory at address 0x10089a20
17:13 <spidey> there that it?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> what a weird crash
17:13 <wrtlprnft> can't use that, that's not a real backtrace
17:14 <spidey> >.<
17:14 <wrtlprnft> _libwinmm_a_iname is some weird windows function i have no clue about
17:14 <wrtlprnft> can you just comment out parts to see what triggers the crash?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> like, first comment out the first half and see if it still crashes
17:15 <wrtlprnft> something has to be special about your cockpit if others don't crash
17:15 <wrtlprnft> or ask joda next time you see him, I'm sure he'll be able to debug
17:15 <spidey> got it
17:15 <spidey> gimme link to pastebin
17:17 <spidey> nvm
17:17 <spidey> here's what's causing it
17:17 <spidey> <BarGauge camera="all">
17:17 <spidey> <DataSet>
17:17 <spidey> <AtomicData field="source" source="player_speed" />
17:17 <spidey> </DataSet>
17:17 <spidey> <Position x="-0.070" y="-.88" />
17:17 <spidey> <Size height="0.05" width="0.15" />
17:17 <spidey> <ShowCurrent value="true" />
17:17 <spidey> <ShowMaximum value="true" />
17:17 <spidey> <ShowMinimum value="true" />
17:17 <spidey> <Caption location="bottom">
17:17 <spidey> <Text value="Speed" />
17:17 <spidey> </Caption>
17:17 <spidey> </BarGauge>
17:17 <spidey>
17:17 <spidey>
17:17 <spidey> i take that out it runs fine
17:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:19 <wrtlprnft> you are still missing the max and min!
17:20 <wrtlprnft> which will be fixed in 3.1, as you can see from the log messages
17:20 <wrtlprnft> fixed in the sense that it won't crash
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17:22 <spidey> i got the stock
17:22 <spidey> it's huge though
17:27 <spidey> anyways
17:28 <spidey> i fixed it
17:28 <spidey> now i just gotta install my onboard graphics drives so i go back to 80+ fps ;x
17:31 <spidey> arg
17:31 <spidey> bbl,gotta test >.<
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17:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: ever thought of a "Bugfarm Rubber" server? ;)
17:42 <wrtlprnft> or about disabling chat colors on all BF servers
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17:48 <philippeqc> all: posted a very bad description of the new zone system on the forums. Have a blast
17:48 <wrtlprnft> what was v1?
17:48 <philippeqc> I'll be back to pelling the wallpaper, but I'll come back soon, so feel free to leave me message with my name in it.
17:48 <philippeqc> v1 was what you knew from before
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> if we already have a type named triad, when will we have types named mafia and similar things?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or mafioso
17:58 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: wow, nice work, nice work. If that all works it might justifying releasing 3.1 real soon for people to be able to test it IMHO
18:06 <Compn> wow
18:07 <Compn> soccorsty is fun
18:07 <Compn> er soccersty
18:07 <wrtlprnft> that's not the point of philippeqc's server
18:08 <wrtlprnft> or zone model
18:09 <Compn> say what?
18:12 <Compn> its nice bouncy zones
18:12 <Compn> maybe more fun with short trails that can bounce the 'ball' too
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19:14 <H_A_K> hi
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell these people that there's no point if they just enter, say hi, and leave again?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> hi
19:23 * Lucifer_arma left the game.
19:26 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> 5 rubber means it will stop you for the time you'd need to cross 5 grid units, right?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> if it's not affected by crazy rubber settings and walls from the future
19:29 * Lucifer_arma left team Blue.
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> hi!
19:29 * Lucifer_arma has joined team Red.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> armagetron is hanging!
19:31 <wrtlprnft> if anyone wants a backtrace of that hang: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99798
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19:35 <z-man> wrtlprnft: that could be the multithreading stuff, any other threads active?
19:36 <z-man> and yes, your rubber description is correct.
19:37 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: the worst bit about yesterday's ordeal is that I didn't get to use my "Achtung, Wand!" instantchat on you :(
19:49 <wrtlprnft> z-man: how do i find out?
19:50 <z-man> I don't know
19:50 <wrtlprnft> magic wand or wall?
19:50 <z-man> wall
19:50 <wrtlprnft> thought so
19:50 <wrtlprnft> magic wand would be fun too
19:50 <z-man> Yeah, that wouldn't even make sense :)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> well
19:51 <wrtlprnft> you might interpret wall as using some super- secret backdoor in arma to lag Lucifer_arma out
19:51 <wrtlprnft> *might interptet WAND
19:52 <z-man> The backdoor we forgot to build in?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> kinda, yeah
19:53 <wrtlprnft> so, what about that developer tournament idea? My idea for a prize was that we get some nice image of a medal/trophy with the names of the winners on it and put it on the title screen for one version we release
19:54 <wrtlprnft> and we might make it some triathlon kinda thing: BF Fortress settings, sumo, and classic last team standing (need to decide on the settings for this one)
19:55 <z-man> If we run the tournament, it would be tiger's team, I'd say.
19:55 <wrtlprnft> including the old version that server runs?
19:55 * z-man likes the title screen idea.
19:55 <z-man> Why not?
19:55 <z-man> As long as an admin is present who can kick players.
19:56 <wrtlprnft> team messages?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> maybe patch the server up with those things?
19:57 <wrtlprnft> so the engine is still the old version
19:57 <z-man> Well, teams would need to use code messages :)
19:57 <z-man> "Arse on fire!"
19:57 <z-man> "Bully in the bed!"
19:57 <wrtlprnft> hmm, makes sense too
19:57 <wrtlprnft> and, if we use luke-jr_'s server for sumo, guru3's server for tiger- style, and your server for fortress we can work around the lag problem
19:58 <z-man> work around == evenly distribute?
19:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:58 <wrtlprnft> hopefully the australians won't complain
19:59 <wrtlprnft> I'd offer my server too, of course, but it only hosts about 10 players
19:59 <guru3> eh?
19:59 <z-man> I wouldn't mind an autstralian server if there was one
19:59 <wrtlprnft> assuming the admins of the servers agree, that is
19:59 <z-man> of course
19:59 <wrtlprnft> because guru3 said "eh?"
20:00 <guru3> i mean
20:00 <guru3> what are we using my server for?
20:01 <z-man> We'd need to limit the team size then. Big teams could build specialized sections.
20:01 <wrtlprnft> we might have separate brackets on all server settings and then somehow let the winners compete in some way
20:01 <z-man> guru3: we're plotting the next ITW
20:01 <wrtlprnft> and big teams don't fit on the title screen very well
20:01 <wrtlprnft> don't call it ITW
20:01 <z-man> hehe
20:02 * z-man was just looking for a short description
20:02 <wrtlprnft> maybe something with "official" in it?
20:02 <z-man> Nah, luke would like that.
20:02 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:03 <wrtlprnft> "official resource repository C efficiency competition"?
20:03 <wrtlprnft> hmm, any real suggestions?
20:04 <z-man> I was thinking DTT, Developers' Tron Tournament
20:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma? luke-jr_? guru3? philippeqc?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> sounds good to me
20:04 <z-man> but it could be confused with a tournament FOR developers
20:04 <wrtlprnft> i think the name isn't really that important anyways
20:04 <z-man> Lucifer_arma would probably transform it to DDT :)
20:04 <wrtlprnft> it's more important to have good management, fair rules etc
20:05 <z-man> rules at all would help :)
20:05 <wrtlprnft> and of course the admins need to vote for it, at least for the title screen thing and having "developer" in the name
20:06 <z-man> No problem with that here so far.
20:06 <wrtlprnft> I'll wait to see what Lucifer_arma or anyone else has to say, then I'l, start a draft wiki page with rules (ie no registrations yet)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> how would team sumo work?
20:09 <z-man> Like fortress, but the zones are big, in the middle of the arena and slowly shrink
20:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:09 <wrtlprnft> I have another approach, give me some time to make a map and start a server
20:09 <z-man> what makes sumo sumo, IMHO, is the fact that enemies don't conquer the zone.
20:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:14 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spawn
20:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_FIRST_SPAWN_PROTECTION: Set to 1 if the invulnerability and wall delay should already be active on the initial spawn at the beginning of a round. || SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 750/2
20:21 <armabot> 750 / 2 = 375
20:21 * wrtlprnft feels like spidey
20:22 <wrtlprnft> how precise is a float, how many decimal digits approximately?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what is SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE measured in? It isn't grid units
20:34 <z-man> it isn't?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> no
20:34 <wrtlprnft> if i set it to 150 the teammates are waaaay more than 150 grid units apart
20:35 <wrtlprnft> loc=location * gArena::SizeMultiplier() - dir.Turn(sg_spawnBack,-d*sg_spawnSide) * away * gCycle::SpeedMultiplier();
20:35 <wrtlprnft> that's what's in the code, but I don't get i
20:35 <wrtlprnft> t
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20:36 <z-man> Ah, it's scaled up with the cylce speed multiplier
20:36 <wrtlprnft> what is that?
20:36 <z-man> so the formation gets wider when you tune up the speed
20:36 <z-man> similar to the arena size factor
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20:36 <z-man> you can make it 1 by setting, let me dig, ....
20:37 <z-man> SPEED_FACTOR 0
20:37 <z-man> and SP_SPEED_FACTOR 0
20:37 <wrtlprnft> thanks
20:37 <z-man> It's also the speed setting in the game menu.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> SIZE_FACTOR screwed me up as well
20:38 <z-man> Are you trying to place player pairs into individual zones?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> yep
20:38 <wrtlprnft> almost done with the map
20:38 <wrtlprnft> I'll put up a server in a minute
20:38 <z-man> cool
20:39 <wrtlprnft> just a few flaws I can't change
20:39 <wrtlprnft> but they should be workable with
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20:41 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig x_pe
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:41 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig max_per
20:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig per_team
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_1: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_2: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_3: The favorite number of players per team for this player || FAV_NUM_PER_TEAM_PLAYER_4: The favorite number of players per team for this player
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig ess_max
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:42 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig _max_
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_MAX_REFCOUNT: Maximum allowed reference count on cycles before they self destruct. This setting is to protect against performance related DOS attacks. || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_rubber_max_override_help || NETWORK_AUTOBAN_MAX_KPH: Maximal value of the kicks per hour; larger values are smoothly clamped. || SP_TEAM_MAX_IMBALANCE: Maximum allowed team (1 more message)
20:42 <wrtlprnft> #more
20:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: imbalance in single player mode || SP_TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS: Maximum number of players per team in single player mode || TEAM_MAX_IMBALANCE: Maximum allowed team imbalance || TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS: Maximum number of players per team
20:42 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:42 <wrtlprnft> FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM isn't documented
20:43 <z-man> No, it's a hack
20:44 <wrtlprnft> how about a -v option to --doc that lists undocumented settings as well?
20:44 <wrtlprnft> better undocumented than not at all
20:45 <z-man> Well, most of them require you to really read the paragraphs in SETTINGS_CFG
20:45 <z-man> ah, you mean, just so you know the option exists?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:45 <wrtlprnft> its name
20:46 <z-man> should be doable
20:46 * luke-jr_ is working on a tournament style that has 'home' vs 'away' teams
20:47 <luke-jr_> if we can get servers in all the major continents, we can host where the home team chooses
20:47 <luke-jr_> so far I was just thinking home team chooses game mode and logic
20:47 <z-man> I think the game mode and logic should be for the tournament organizers to choose
20:48 <z-man> Or they should at least offer a bunch of pre-tuned settings to choose from.
20:48 <spidey> yay ;x
20:48 <luke-jr_> maybe
20:48 <luke-jr_> lots of possibilities]
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig DEATH_
20:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DEATH_SHOT: death_shot_help
20:49 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig DEATHZOne
20:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SCORE_DEATHZONE: Amount of points you get for hitting the Death Zone
20:50 <z-man> Pig has a soccer server?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:50 <luke-jr_> I also wrote an object that give me stats for various possibilities of optional-entry-fee
20:51 <Compn1> lets go play soccer
20:51 <z-man> It's full :(
20:51 <Compn1> doh
20:51 <Compn1> wow pigsty fortress
20:51 <Compn1> awesome
20:51 <Vanhayes_> I could try to kick someone but it probly wouldnt pass
20:52 <Vanhayes_> someone left
20:52 <Compn1> Vanhayes : how is it? i played vs bots but i didnt see scores or anything
20:52 <Vanhayes_> someone left
20:52 <spidey> i had a pigsty fortress, they said it was stupid :(
20:52 <luke-jr_> I didn't
20:52 <Vanhayes_> heh it was more pointless than stupid
20:52 <spidey> no but everyone else did :p
20:53 <spidey> pointless/redundant = stupid :p
20:53 <Vanhayes_> well when u can shoot the gaolie....
20:53 <spidey> now,i'ma install my gfx drivers so i can play with 80+ fps instead of 12
20:53 <Vanhayes_> another person left if somone wants in
20:54 <spidey> oh
20:54 <spidey> i won't fail science ;D
20:54 <spidey> she extended my time,i get 3 weeks to do 3 60 page books lx
20:54 <spidey> ;x
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20:57 <wrtlprnft> aww
20:57 <wrtlprnft> i just screwed something up
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20:57 <spidey_> grrr
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21:00 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: BUG with your resource uploader
21:00 <wrtlprnft> won't accept empty categories
21:00 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft//teamsumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml
21:00 <wrtlprnft> again: TWO CONSECUTIVE SLASHES ARE TOTALLY VALID!
21:01 * wrtlprnft considers putting his map somewhere else
21:01 <wrtlprnft> my server could be up and running already
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21:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no, they're not... but an empty category is
21:11 <wrtlprnft> sure they are
21:11 <luke-jr_> an empty category should be only 1 /
21:13 -!- spidey is now known as spidey_
21:13 <spidey_> ok
21:13 <spidey_> er
21:13 -!- spidey_ is now known as spidey
21:13 <spidey> ok
21:13 <spidey> now i play tron with nice fps ;D
21:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5824 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Handle empty category attributes
21:13 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
21:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: double / are disallowed to ensure there is only ONE valid filepath per resource
21:13 <luke-jr_> try now
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i already set up my own repository
21:14 <luke-jr_> try anyway?
21:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, another problem :<
21:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man: luke-jr_: spidey: wanna join my server for testing?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> it's called team fortress
21:21 <spidey> sure if you tell me something :p
21:22 <wrtlprnft> it's not ready yet anyways
21:22 <spidey> i only see team sumo test server
21:22 <wrtlprnft> that's it, but wait
21:23 <spidey> i can't get in anyways
21:23 <spidey> upgrade needed
21:23 <wrtlprnft> !
21:23 * spidey notes he's on the latest release
21:23 <spidey> :p
21:24 <spidey> hey,how do i set a transparent backgrou nd?
21:24 <spidey> it's white now
21:24 <spidey> :<
21:24 <luke-jr_> background for what
21:24 <wrtlprnft> just a solid color with alpha="0"?
21:24 <spidey> guage
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or set the height to 0
21:25 <wrtlprnft> [0] Setting CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM (Group: Bumpy) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.8.3_alpha will not be allowed in.
21:25 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> cycle_accel_team is old...
21:25 <luke-jr_> news to me
21:25 <spidey> try
21:25 <spidey> wait
21:25 <spidey> how does arma show configs?
21:25 <spidey> #armaconfig
21:25 <armabot> spidey: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
21:25 <spidey> mm
21:26 <spidey> ok
21:26 <luke-jr_> lol
21:26 <spidey> #armaconfig cycle_accel_team_override
21:26 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM differs from its default?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i KNOW
21:26 <spidey> :p
21:26 <wrtlprnft> but it shouldn't block out anyone
21:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM
21:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_ACCEL_TEAM is newer than 0.2.8.2 last I checked
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and why is it set to 1.5?!
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do that
21:28 <luke-jr_> no?
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21:31 <wrtlprnft> i still don't get how zones are distributed to teams
21:31 <wrtlprnft> the zones pick the closest team, right?
21:32 <Compn> the zones dont change color until a team enters it?
21:32 <Compn> like diamond sumo?
21:32 <spidey> man
21:32 <Compn> ;p
21:32 <spidey> my speed thing is broke :<
21:32 <Compn> lol
21:33 <philippeqc> back
21:34 <philippeqc> back
21:34 <philippeqc> oups
21:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you know the old zone model?
21:37 <spidey> #last --from wrtlprnft --with pastebin
21:37 <wrtlprnft> the zone looks for the closest team spawn point, right?
21:37 <armabot> spidey: [12:32:16] <wrtlprnft> if anyone wants a backtrace of that hang: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/99798
21:37 <spidey> er
21:38 <spidey> wrtlprnft, what was the link to my cockpit?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> go to that page that armabot told you
21:38 <wrtlprnft> look at the rescent posts
21:38 <wrtlprnft> *recent
21:39 <philippeqc> yes
21:39 <philippeqc> yes they took the closest
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that map I made works perfectly on my client, but the zones get assigned pretty randomly on the server
21:39 <wrtlprnft> come to my server
21:39 <wrtlprnft> team sumo test
21:40 <philippeqc> ok
21:40 <philippeqc> crashed
21:41 <wrtlprnft> client?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> the server kept running
21:42 <wrtlprnft> leave me the sec, I'll update the map
21:42 <philippeqc> yes
21:42 <philippeqc> Playcontinuous: Cycle motor effect
21:42 <philippeqc> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:42 <wrtlprnft> my client doesn't crash
21:43 <philippeqc> just updated to head of trunk
21:43 <wrtlprnft> let me check
21:43 <philippeqc> ok
21:43 <z-man> Won't there be a chain reaction if you let the sumo zones kill the closest player of the owning team?
21:43 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: z-man cheat by puting the zones just a bit off center, so one IS closer to another player.
21:44 <wrtlprnft> i did
21:44 <z-man> no, not any more. On regular sumo, the max_zones_per_team handle that
21:44 <wrtlprnft> z-man: won't work in this case
21:44 <z-man> right
21:44 <wrtlprnft> let me update my client
21:45 <wrtlprnft> that might be my zone fix
21:45 <wrtlprnft> mine wasn't up to date yet
21:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: does normal fortress crash it?
21:46 <philippeqc> let me check, I dont user trunk often
21:47 <philippeqc> yes
21:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that's my fault then, sorry
21:47 <wrtlprnft> fix is on the way
21:48 <philippeqc> ok
21:48 <wrtlprnft> I only checked the change i made on pig sty
21:48 <philippeqc> ok
21:49 <philippeqc> I dont know what to code
21:49 <philippeqc> I mean I have a TODO list for zone, but its all medium to big changes, and I'd like to get feedback before I do anymore big work
21:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i might implement the sumo thing with your concept
21:50 <groundpig> wrtlprnft: just curious, what change did you make to your pig sty?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> but it's a pain without the team stuff
21:50 <philippeqc> that would be good, it could put more test on it
21:50 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: you mean the race server?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or US Sty?
21:50 <groundpig> whichever you just mentioned
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i talked about a sumo thingy
21:51 <groundpig> <wrtlprnft> I only checked the change i made on pig sty
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i was fixing the HUD map
21:51 <wrtlprnft> or trying to
21:51 <groundpig> ah ok, just curious
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and i only checked it on pig sty
21:52 <wrtlprnft> while on fortress and sumo the client crashes if the map is enabled
21:54 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:54 <wrtlprnft> Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
21:54 <wrtlprnft> vertex size confusion -142579444 -142579456
21:54 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad: intel_batchbuffer.c:184: intel_flush_inline_primitive: Assertion `intel->batch.space >= 0' failed.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> zsh: abort ~/troncvs/bin/armagetronad
21:54 <wrtlprnft> i don't think that's me
22:01 <philippeqc> I'm tired,
22:01 <philippeqc> goodnight
22:01 <wrtlprnft> :S
22:01 <philippeqc> #night
22:01 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
22:01 <wrtlprnft> night
22:01 <philippeqc> cya 2morrow
22:02 <philippeqc> I should have more free time ;)
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22:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5825 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Baically reverted my last fix, it crashes with very weird symptoms for no reason I can see.
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22:05 <wrtlprnft> :S
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22:07 <wrtlprnft> I'll have to look more closely at this at some later point in time
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22:45 <Lackadaisical> hey
22:45 <Lackadaisical> wtf they didnt let us play with one more!
22:47 <Vanhayes> ?
22:47 <Lackadaisical> on the itw
22:47 <Lackadaisical> we played against usa
22:47 <Lackadaisical> and they had 5 people show up, and we had 5 too
22:47 <Lackadaisical> and then a sixth guy comes, and he is on our team
22:47 <Lackadaisical> but dez didnt let him play
22:48 <Lackadaisical> because the teams wouldn't been even if he joined
22:48 <Vanhayes> heh that might be my fault
22:48 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
22:48 <Vanhayes> I made a few suggestions after a 7-4 match yesturday
22:49 <Lackadaisical> well then your match should definatly be replayed
22:49 <Vanhayes> not sure anyone is left who would actually play again
22:50 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft, and Lucifer_arma are protesting it I think
22:50 <Vanhayes> btw did you guys win Lackadaisical ?
22:50 <Lackadaisical> no
22:50 <Vanhayes> was it close?
22:51 <Lackadaisical> we lost 100-50, 100-50, 100-90
22:51 <Lackadaisical> last one was close
22:51 <spidey> Vanhayes, i won't allow a tournment like that on one of my servers :p
22:51 <spidey> not that allow being outnumbered by 2+
22:51 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/germany-nafta.php those are our scores
22:52 <Vanhayes> well I think ady-lucifer had a grudge against NAFTA
22:52 <Lackadaisical> hehe, yeah i read about that conspiracy :)
22:52 <spidey> his fault he said it was possible for a large team to split in 2
22:52 <spidey> our team was legit by his rules
22:52 <spidey> so fuck 'em ;D
22:53 <Vanhayes> heh he even said countrys with not enough people could team up so me and wrtl were allowed there too
22:53 <spidey> yea
22:53 * spidey points to last comment
22:53 <Lackadaisical> cool, individual scores, i think i have most points in every match :)
22:54 <spidey> although outnumbered
22:54 <spidey> we held it pretty good
22:54 <spidey> ;D
22:55 <Vanhayes> me and you did pretty good in matches 4 and 5 where they started out with 7 and we had 2
22:56 <Lackadaisical> :D
23:00 <Vanhayes> weird... 0.3 works fine again
23:00 <spidey> ya
23:01 <Lackadaisical> guru3: xevi told me he sent an email to links@armagetronad.net to add a link to www.crazy-tronners.com but he "don't see it working :s"
23:01 <guru3> i have to get the email
23:01 <guru3> and add it
23:02 <guru3> when did he send the email?
23:02 <Lackadaisical> yeah thats what i thought
23:02 <guru3> raid 0
23:02 <Lackadaisical> i don't know, but he sent me a pm yesterday
23:02 <guru3> is stripping right?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> screw the ITW
23:03 <spidey> hahaha
23:03 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: see it from the bright side: you don't have to play another match on this server
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23:04 <Lackadaisical> hehe :) i slid a few times but it wasnt that bad for me
23:04 <spidey> he didn't mean lag wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> server admin wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> rule wise
23:05 <wrtlprnft> server setting wise (no rubber induced wall shrinkage)
23:05 <Vanhayes_> wrtlprnft: is team sumo test server yours?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:05 <spidey> tis ok though,U.S. can probably outnumber them
23:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes_: sec, i'm coming
23:06 <Vanhayes_> it says I need an upgrade
23:06 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:06 <wrtlprnft> again?
23:06 <Vanhayes_> yup, and this is with the .3
23:07 <spidey> same for me
23:07 <wrtlprnft> ok, fixed, i hope
23:07 <spidey> no
23:07 <spidey> still says it
23:08 <spidey> Lackadaisical, you playing in the ladle?
23:08 <Lackadaisical> maybe
23:08 <spidey> if you do you should play for ws :p
23:09 <Lackadaisical> heh, yeah, i was thinking about that seeing you are kind of the underdog
23:09 <spidey> ;D
23:09 <Lackadaisical> but you already have 8 players, compared to aw which only has 4 or smth
23:09 <spidey> we're 1 short
23:09 <spidey> eclipse won't make it
23:10 <wrtlprnft> try again...
23:10 <spidey> hmm
23:10 <spidey> taking forever to poll
23:10 <spidey> O.o
23:11 <spidey> server does not answer
23:11 <spidey> Lackadaisical, we have 8 yes,but only contact with 5 members :p
23:11 <spidey> so we dunno if the others will be there :/
23:12 <spidey> and i haven't seen dook in a bit :/
23:12 <Lackadaisical> i'll think about it k?
23:13 <spidey> :D
23:13 <spidey> Lackadaisical, come to wrtls server
23:13 <Lackadaisical> i won't be able to make any of those practices though :)
23:13 <spidey> np,it's more teampractice,but you already know how to play with a team :)
23:13 <groundpig> anyone want to play soccer?
23:14 <Compn> lol
23:14 <spidey> count me in!
23:14 <Compn> sure
23:19 <groundpig> scoring working :B)
23:19 <Lackadaisical> Vanhayes: our scores are up: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/usa-alliance1.php
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23:22 <Lizz> :) hi guys
23:22 <Lackadaisical> hi
23:24 * [Xpert]DarkStar has a problem
23:24 * [Xpert]DarkStar needs a hostname for a sun ultra 10
23:26 <DrJoeTron> YO
23:34 <groundpig> Hi Joe
23:34 <groundpig> soccer game in progress
23:35 <Lizz> sun ultra 10 sounds like a planet :/
23:35 * Lizz goes to her dumb corner
23:43 <Vanhayes_> pig has nets nowsun ultra 10 sounds more like a sun to me
23:43 <Vanhayes_> er
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23:43 <Vanhayes> sun ultra 10 sounds more like a sun to me**
23:59 <Lizz> no sun here.. foggy
23:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-07-26:
--- Day changed Wed Jul 26 2006
00:00 <DrJoeTron> hey pig, do i have permission to kill people who goal tend in the other goal?
00:00 <DrJoeTron> you should make it so the zones kill
00:00 <luke-jr_> kill who
00:00 <DrJoeTron> anyone who goes inside the goal zones
00:00 <luke-jr_> don't you spawn there?
00:00 <DrJoeTron> no
00:14 <Lizz> ya kno.. tron servers all have their own smell
00:15 <groundpig> thats a good idea
00:15 <groundpig> i'll put that in right now
00:15 <Lizz> but they have them already
00:17 <Lizz> mbc smells like lemons.. xzl smells like boys... swampland smells like a bar.. fortress smell like a bar the morning after a heavy sat nite
00:17 <DrJoeTron> hey what about lobster:(
00:17 <DrJoeTron> im a real server too
00:17 <Lizz> smells like a fish market on ahot day
00:17 <groundpig> i hate to imagine what a pig sty smells like
00:17 <Lizz> poo
00:17 <groundpig> there you said it
00:18 <groundpig> now i have to imagine
00:18 <Lizz> never really noticed pig stys smell.. must check
00:18 <DrJoeTron> hey pig, this is totally hockey
00:18 <groundpig> i've come up with a new name
00:18 <DrJoeTron> since we can body check and cross check people
00:18 <groundpig> next server change has it
00:18 <spidey> your a prawn
00:18 <Lizz> garlic?
00:18 <DrJoeTron> ooh what is it
00:18 <DrJoeTron> haha spidey
00:19 <groundpig> StyBall
00:19 <DrJoeTron> excellent
00:19 <spidey> i've been owning your bot
00:19 <DrJoeTron> if it owns you i'll laugh
00:19 * Lizz goes and surveys other server smells
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i think the mutiny server smells like burning bodies
00:20 <spidey> i think lobster cage smells like prawn poo
00:29 <DrJoeTron> eww
00:29 <DrJoeTron> well that would explain why no one goes there ^^
00:29 <DrJoeTron> ooo a private message
00:29 <DrJoeTron> awwww, some kid wants to be a lobster
00:30 <DrJoeTron> i should really take down that conact me if you want to be one
00:32 <spidey> lobster are eatin'
00:32 <spidey> they sell them in a tank at walmart to
00:34 <groundpig> Joe, i added the goal kill
00:35 <DrJoeTron> heh, great pig
00:35 <Compn> lol
00:35 <Compn> that was awesome
00:35 <DrJoeTron> thanks
00:35 <Compn> oh damn!
00:36 <Compn> goal kill?
00:36 <Vanhayes> heh that was a great match
00:36 <Compn> T:DDDDDD
00:40 <spidey> #night
00:40 <armabot> Good night spidey!
00:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:53 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
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03:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: tCode doesn't have data types at all right now, really-- need to either make a tCode::Variant, use boost::variant, or something for that
03:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: but yes, I'm designing it for extensibility too
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04:02 <Your_mom_arma> luke if i pm you a nick and a pass can you verify/register it for the resource repository?
04:10 <groundpig> say cvs is dead, have to use svn
04:10 <groundpig> dammit
04:14 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: if it's your nick =p
04:14 <luke-jr_> groundpig: what CVS?
04:14 <groundpig> hehe, meant that for my server console
04:14 <luke-jr_> ah
04:14 <groundpig> trying to explain to someone how to compile the server
04:16 <luke-jr_> i c
04:17 <luke-jr_> you know, we have docs for that ;)
04:17 <groundpig> i directed them to the README
04:19 <Your_mom_arma> alright luke, sent you a pm at the arma forums
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04:33 * Lucifer_arma yawns
04:42 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: why not PM here ? lol
04:44 <luke-jr_> added
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04:51 <Your_mom_arma> thanks luke
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04:54 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
04:54 <DrJoeTron> yo
04:57 <Your_mom_arma> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /var/www/armagetron/beta/htdocs/add-resource/upload.suid-php on line 93 @ luke-jr_
05:05 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5826 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Missing semi-colon caused parse error.
05:05 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
05:05 <nemostultae> Your_mom_arma: try now
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05:06 <Lizz> :)
05:06 <Lizz> hiya PTPs :)
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Your_mom/clever/tripath-0.3.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Your_mom
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> thanks nemo
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05:15 <Your_mom_arma> blarg validation on that dtd failed
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> am i not allowed to upload a dtd?
05:17 <nemostultae> Nope, the script only allows map files.
05:18 <Your_mom_arma> ok, luke check your pm box at the forums
05:29 <DrJoeTron> just built a remote control car
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> cool
05:35 <DrJoeTron> out of leggos
05:35 <DrJoeTron> and propellors
05:35 <DrJoeTron> it barely turns
05:40 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Your_mom/clever/ironcross-0.8.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Your_mom
05:41 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:12 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5827 /private/Lucifer/namepicker/ (chats.txt lucifer.txt): Added more instant chats
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06:37 <DrJoeTron> ahh that fucking kid
06:37 <Lizz> joe
06:37 <Lizz> it cant be him :/
06:38 <DrJoeTron> cypher is in styball
06:38 <DrJoeTron> i didnt feel like banning him and dealing with his shit for another 4 months
06:38 <DrJoeTron> wasnt worth it
06:38 <Lizz> si kno i came to tell u that arc is in xzl so cant be him eagle was wrong :/
06:38 <Lizz> cypher was kicked from xzl while arc was in there O.o
06:39 <Lizz> so fiik who it is.. sorry
06:39 <DrJoeTron> he is in pigs server
06:39 <Lizz> u have his ip dont u?
06:40 <DrJoeTron> did
06:40 <DrJoeTron> im sure he chaged it
06:40 <DrJoeTron> pig has it now
06:40 <Lizz> ok.. i can get it again for u if u want
06:40 <Lizz> ok true
06:40 <DrJoeTron> its ok im cool
06:40 <Lizz> anyway just thought id let u kno
06:40 <DrJoeTron> thanks
06:40 <Lizz> good :)
06:41 <Lizz> dont like seeing u stressed bout it
06:41 <DrJoeTron> it takes more than that to stess me out
06:41 <DrJoeTron> but im glad pigs in
06:41 <Lizz> yeah.. but i kno u were upset abou it that day in ts
06:41 <Lizz> not nice to be stalked :(
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07:08 * Lucifer_arma stalks DrJoeTron
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07:08 <Lucifer_arma> *stalk* *stalk* *stalk*
07:08 <DrJoeTron> lucifer can stalk me all he wants
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> man, my stalker has disappeared
07:09 <DrJoeTron> and sign me up for message boards
07:09 <DrJoeTron> i wish mine would
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> cypher did that to you?
07:09 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:09 <DrJoeTron> he signed me up for the xzl boards
07:09 <DrJoeTron> my password is faggot
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh, mine just went into whichever serer I was in, called me by my real name and then teamkilled me
07:09 <DrJoeTron> dont tell anyone
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I won't tell anyone you're a faggot
07:09 <DrJoeTron> yeah mine is being viccious
07:10 <DrJoeTron> im glad he doesnt really know how to do anything
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> actually, after he shut up and played, he was pretty decent on pig's
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> you know, just now
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> he strikes me as familiar though
07:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:10 <DrJoeTron> he's a total prick when im there
07:11 <DrJoeTron> and im starting to hate tit more and more
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> he's always been borderline cool anyway, titboy that is
07:11 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:11 <DrJoeTron> well pig gave me his ip
07:11 <DrJoeTron> his new one
07:11 <DrJoeTron> so
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> he's the same guy whos been spamming the server pages i think
07:12 <DrJoeTron> he was
07:12 <groundpig> hopefully no serious harm will come to him
07:12 <DrJoeTron> he's the same guy
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07:13 <Your_mom_arma> hey zman
07:13 <groundpig> he was pretty decent in there
07:13 <DrJoeTron> after i left
07:13 <groundpig> minus the complaining
07:14 <DrJoeTron> oh whatever
07:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck that kid
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> is he really? we can see his ip on the wiki....
07:14 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=77731#77731
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> if I add a firewall ban, that's it, but if his ip keeps changing....
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> luke ranting about the dtd i hacked together
07:15 <groundpig> saw that :B)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:15 <groundpig> one point is that i don't think it has any 3rd party code dependancy
07:15 <groundpig> if a server loads it without the new zone types, it just won't create them
07:16 <groundpig> just like the StyBall without goals yesterday
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> so who here hates the idea that i hacked up a dtd AND put it in the aateam folder?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> hey pig, can you kick somebody so I can test the map? ;)
07:17 <groundpig> the current map?
07:17 * Lucifer_arma just hacked it to remove it's dependency on pig's code and wants to test it
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, the one in my cache
07:17 <DrJoeTron> alright im gonna go to bed
07:17 <DrJoeTron> im tired
07:17 <Your_mom_arma> cya joe
07:17 <DrJoeTron> have a good one, thanks guys
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07:17 <groundpig> did you get in?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, still trying
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> the last one i did points to a new folder scince luke chewed me out
07:18 <groundpig> i see that, you pinger
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> did it crash?
07:18 <groundpig> i think it banned you
07:18 <groundpig> hehe
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> servers full
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, heh
07:18 <groundpig> hmm how to remove a ban
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> I could wait it out
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> theres a file somewhere didicated to those
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> all I did was comment out the zones
07:19 <groundpig> minute i think
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> dedicated to those
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> you can let the server spawn them, I think, and the client will pick them up
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> unban
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> search unban in the console
07:19 <groundpig> yes it would work that way
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> if he loaded the map doesnt look like it crashed anyone
07:20 <groundpig> try getting in again
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> then you don't need to worry about dtd right now :)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> full
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> kick 2 so i can get in
07:20 <groundpig> oops i accidentally closed my server
07:20 <groundpig> coming up
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it works without the zones
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so you can remove the zones
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> for the clients, that is
07:23 <Your_mom_arma> ah, so a fake map for the client?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> yes :)
07:24 <groundpig> hmm, but what would having the real one harm?
07:24 <groundpig> the reason it would be nice to have in the repo is so that when i post my patch, other servers can use it
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> it just means you have to duke it out with Luke over the dtd
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:24 <groundpig> ok
07:25 <groundpig> but really, does having a dtd that won't cause a client or server any harm, off in a separate dir, not used, hurt anything?
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> also, it's always nice to make sure that regular clients can play, and the best way to do that is to serve them a map that doesn't include stuff that uses code you wrote that they may not have
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> I realize we've just tested the ass out of it and it's not a problem for you right now
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07:25 <Lucifer_arma> it shouldn't, the only thing the dtd is actually used for is validating the xml
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2 uses it, we dont' use it for anything ourselves
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you add tags that we dont' understand, we should pass over them without touching them
07:26 <groundpig> oh ok - just wanted to mention i checked all the code to make sure it wouldn't be a problem parsing the unknown zones
07:26 <groundpig> :B)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's not a problem (obviously, or none of us would be playing there)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> just as a general practice, I mean, you should try to keep maps served to clients using only what ships with the game--if possible
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that may change later, but it really strikes me as the best compatibility policy
07:27 <groundpig> sounds reasonable
07:27 <luke-jr_> groundpig: it won't work correctly without 3rd party code-- there's little difference between breaking stuff and *incorrect* functionality
07:28 * Lucifer_arma thinks it would be really nice if groundpig got with philippe to work on the new zone model
07:28 * Your_mom_arma seconds that
07:28 <groundpig> luke-jr_: whatever you guys think is best, just trying to make it easier for people running servers that would want to use my patch
07:29 * luke-jr_ thinks the new zone model would benefit from using tCode
07:29 * luke-jr_ should finish it =p
07:29 <luke-jr_> groundpig: I understand, and I'm not against the new stuff at all-- just don't think it's a good idea until the patch is incorporated into Svn somewhere official
07:29 * Lucifer_arma is going to dig up mom's basketball court texture--it's buried on the forums somewhere
07:31 <groundpig> luke-jr_: just to play devil's advocate, how about a "prototype/" directory with a disclaimer that the maps may not be supported officially?
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07:32 <groundpig> or to make it painfully obvious, a directory named "UNOFFICIAL-MIGHT-BREAK"
07:33 <luke-jr_> groundpig: well, we don't support arbitrary directories; we could do either a category or maybe a seperate repository
07:33 <luke-jr_> eg, http://resource-3p.armagetronad.net/resource/
07:34 <groundpig> ok just throwing that out for thought - i really do appreciate all the help you guys have given me
07:34 * groundpig is off to sleep
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07:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=18641#18641 :(
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> just a screenshot, no texture
07:50 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:50 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft [f]
07:50 <wrtlprnft> wtf was fromg with the fortune alias :S
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08:07 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm emerging fortune now, so the fortune from the unix plugin should work
08:09 <wrtlprnft> mine was better since it had a custom command line
08:18 <luke-jr_> what map were we playing on with bouncing shots?
08:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you know there is a soccer map?
08:20 <wrtlprnft> first your puckmap without holes
08:20 <wrtlprnft> then some map by Your_mom_arma with less walls
08:20 <luke-jr_> ?
08:20 <luke-jr_> oh
08:20 <luke-jr_> no idea which map mom's was?
08:20 <wrtlprnft> ttp://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/Your_mom/clever/repeat-0.3.2.aamap.xml <-- that one i believe
08:20 <luke-jr_> ah
08:21 <luke-jr_> thanks
08:21 <wrtlprnft> imahing the h
08:21 <wrtlprnft> *imagine the h
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit! There's a soccer map?
08:22 <wrtlprnft> yes
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> really?!?
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> is it like the one on pig's server?
08:23 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:23 <wrtlprnft> i thought you meant that one
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> the map on pig's server, is it like that? or is it different?
08:23 <wrtlprnft> like which other map?
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_ was no doubt responding to the link I posted to a screenshot of a floor texture Your_mom_arma made a long time ago
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to use that floor texture on pig's server, so I was looking for it :)
08:24 <wrtlprnft> ah, no
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> he might have actually posted the texture in another thread, but I didn't manage to find it, just the screenshot
08:24 <wrtlprnft> i replied to luke-jr_'s other question
08:24 <wrtlprnft> 08:18 <luke-jr_> what map were we playing on with bouncing shots?
08:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Drashia has one
08:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5828 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (cockpit/cMap.cpp gWinZone.cpp gWinZone.h): Hopefully fixed zone problems on the minimap once and for all. The minimap rendering should now be in sync with the "real" rendering.
08:26 <luke-jr_> oh, no
08:26 <luke-jr_> it's football
08:26 <luke-jr_> same thing
08:26 <luke-jr_> =p
08:26 * wrtlprnft hopes this was the last minimap- zone related commit for a while
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> a texture or a map?
08:26 <wrtlprnft> map
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking for a texture, not a map
08:26 <wrtlprnft> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/Drashia/fortress/football-0.1.2.aamap.xml
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a texture!
08:27 <wrtlprnft> i know
08:27 <wrtlprnft> i was just pointing out what luke-jr_ was referring to probably
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I found her post on that already. :) That's why I asked if he meant a texture or a map, for clarification
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> if he meant a map, I'm done looking for a texture from her
08:29 * wrtlprnft is gonna co the map preview thing to see how useful it is on the command line :)
08:29 * Lucifer_arma is emerging the GIMP so he can make his own texture
08:29 <wrtlprnft> you hopefully did emerge sync before that, else you'll emerge a version with a security hole
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> didn't emerge sync, that is
08:30 <wrtlprnft> well then
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> how bad can a security hole be when I'm just working locally on stuff I'm creating?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> not bad at all
08:31 <wrtlprnft> it's code injection with a modified image
08:31 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/100525
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so I'd have to get some an image to begin with
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> *such
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'll try to do an update before I open random images off the web
08:33 <wrtlprnft> it's only .xcf
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> #fortune
08:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: "OK, now let's look at four dimensions on the blackboard." -- Dr. Joy
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> #fortune
08:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: statistics, n.: A system for expressing your political prejudices in convincing scientific guise.
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
08:33 <wrtlprnft> it has tabs in it?
08:33 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma [f]
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add f [fortune]
08:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
08:34 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma [Once more the drama begins. -- The Emperor Paul Muad'dib on his ascension to the Lion Throne]
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
08:34 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma [Once more the drama begins. -- The Emperor Paul Muad'dib on his ascension to the Lion Throne]
08:34 <wrtlprnft> nonono
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add f "fortune"
08:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> #morning
08:34 <armabot> Good Morning Lucifer_arma Fry: What's with the eye?
08:34 <wrtlprnft> i still get tabs in some fortunes
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> ?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> and they happen to be displayed as "I" on an inverse background
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> #fortune
08:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Seeing that death, a necessary end, �Will come when it will come. -- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"
08:35 <wrtlprnft> now i have two tabs and one A, whatever that is
08:36 <wrtlprnft> my script filters that
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> you could remake the alias
08:36 <wrtlprnft> thanks
08:36 <wrtlprnft> test
08:36 <wrtlprnft> test
08:36 <wrtlprnft> k
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> how long does it take to build the gimp?
08:37 <wrtlprnft> #alias add f "echo Random Fortune: [rss [echo http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/fortune.php?$randomint]]"
08:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:38 <wrtlprnft> #f
08:38 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and || New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? || A: God gave New Jersey first choice.
08:38 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:38 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: When you are working hard, get up and retch every so often.
08:38 <wrtlprnft> gah, it's another color as before
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08:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: dunno
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08:39 <jasmine> helo
08:39 <wrtlprnft> hi
08:39 <jasmine> hw r u
08:40 <wrtlprnft> good
08:41 <jasmine> asl pls
08:41 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:41 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is asl
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: asl: nothing appropriate
08:41 <Your_mom_arma> age/sex/location
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> jasmine= to someone messing around
08:42 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't #wtf know that :S
08:42 * wrtlprnft doesn't know why he should tell everyone his age/sex/location
08:43 <Your_mom_arma> 198/m/transelvania
08:43 <jasmine> wat r u doin
08:43 <wrtlprnft> waiting for rmagick to compile to try out nemo's map previewer as a command line version
08:44 * wrtlprnft never used anything that uses ruby before
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08:46 <wrtlprnft> > AshitakA (Can't play cause of version 2.8.1)
08:46 <wrtlprnft> ?!
08:47 <wrtlprnft> the ITW server is blocking 0.2.8.1 and not even using CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> 78/female/Siberia
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe I crashed my plane again
08:47 <wrtlprnft> 42/bisexual/moon
08:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how can you crash your plane? When I try that here it just flies straight through the ground!
08:51 <wrtlprnft> !
08:51 <wrtlprnft> cat prnft(+6ei)] [3:#armagetron(+nt)] [Lag: 0.23] [Act: 4]
08:51 <wrtlprnft> [#armagetron] oops
08:51 <wrtlprnft> cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling tells me my CPU is throttled at 50%!
08:52 <wrtlprnft> that's why everything is so slow lately
08:55 <luke-jr_> lol
08:55 <wrtlprnft> and it won't let itself be changed!
08:55 <wrtlprnft> i can't set it to 0%
08:55 <wrtlprnft> but i can set it to 87%
08:56 <luke-jr_> erm
08:56 <luke-jr_> obviously you can't set 0%
08:56 <wrtlprnft> yes i can
08:57 <wrtlprnft> throttle 0%
08:57 <wrtlprnft> > total power is 100%
08:57 <wrtlprnft> or, actually i can't for some weird reason
08:58 <luke-jr_> O.o
08:59 <luke-jr_> wouldn't throttle 0 be CPU powered off?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> no
08:59 <wrtlprnft> that's documented, throttle 0% means don't throttle at all
08:59 <wrtlprnft> root@laptop # cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature /home/mathias
08:59 <wrtlprnft> temperature: 67 C
08:59 <wrtlprnft> is that too hot?
09:00 <wrtlprnft> yay
09:00 <wrtlprnft> i got it down to 66 C
09:01 <wrtlprnft> maybe my CPU is too hot and refuses to run at full speed
09:01 <luke-jr_> o
09:01 <luke-jr_> do you know about Project Paperclip?
09:01 <wrtlprnft> see, there were some rubber thingies under my notebbok to space it from the table
09:02 <wrtlprnft> but they went off, so maybe it's getting too hot now
09:02 <wrtlprnft> no, i don't
09:02 <wrtlprnft> yay
09:03 <wrtlprnft> it went down to 0
09:03 <wrtlprnft> so that's the reason
09:04 <luke-jr_> that's ok
09:04 <luke-jr_> it's fictional
09:05 <wrtlprnft> ah, nice to have everything running at twice the speed again
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> why do I keep crashing?
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> I must be setting my altimeter wrong when I start
09:07 <wrtlprnft> bacause you're a lousy pilot? ;)
09:07 <Your_mom_arma> one red paper clip?
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> the tutorial says come to 3500 feet at heading 350 and set the autopilot
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'm coming to 4000 feet
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> then, while the autopilot's on, I crash into a hill at that altitude
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> evidently I need to come to 5000 feet instead
09:08 * Lucifer_arma is trying to learn how to control the plane for cross-country flight
09:08 <wrtlprnft> maybe you're flying into the wrong direction?
09:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe it wanted you to fly at 3500 metres?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going over the first reservoir that it says I should see
09:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 3500 metres in feet
09:09 <armabot> 3,500 meters = 11,482.9396 feet
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> that would make sense if it wasn't such a short flight, heh
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the crash isn't simulated, you just get stuck in the ground
09:13 <luke-jr_> actually, maybe you should go around north =p
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, the first time I did it, I did it totally ass wrong and flew at 5000 feet and accidentally wound up at the right airport
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm doing it right and crashing :(
09:14 <guru3> lol
09:14 <luke-jr_> why not do it wrong then?
09:14 <guru3> what's the name of the flight sim again?
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> because then the airport I end up in is probably random :/
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> FlightGear
09:14 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so perfect doing it wrong?
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> you can just emerge it :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to know I"m going to land at the airport I *want* to land at, not some arbitrary one I lucked upon
09:15 <luke-jr_> use gps
09:15 <guru3> and geh i just realized
09:15 <guru3> my kernel isn't using both cores :S
09:15 <guru3> so i'll emerge it
09:15 <guru3> after i fix that
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> whether I use gps or not isn't relevant, I'm trying to learn how to use the autopilot, trim the plane, etc
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> and navigate
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> all gps tells me is my position
09:17 <luke-jr_> which tells you what airports you're near :)
09:18 <guru3> go faster you stupid genkernel you
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> um, no, gps only tells me my position
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> I still need to know all that other stuff to know what airports I'm near
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> and to get to the airport of my choosing, I need to know what direction to go. I already know that from the tutorial :)
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> so, basically, get to your cruising height, turn on the autopilot, and look around
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> when you get near to your destination, turn off the autopilot, radio the airport to find out where you're going to land,
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> then start your approach
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> then land
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> I can take off, reach a height, keep a heading, and land
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm trying to learn how to work the autopilot, but I keep crashing because I'm only going to the height the tutorial says to use
09:23 <luke-jr_> you need a GPS and a map to know what airports you're near
09:23 <luke-jr_> if GPS says you're at 302, 240 and the airport is at 304, 238 you're near it
09:25 <luke-jr_> ok......
09:25 <luke-jr_> who the heck is jasmine?
09:28 <luke-jr_> or maybe it's a what?
09:28 <luke-jr_> o well
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09:29 <philippeqc> hi
09:31 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
09:31 <wrtlprnft> i think i have the zones on the minimap under control now
09:32 <philippeqc> great
09:33 <philippeqc> boo, nobody has anything to add to my overly complicated post ;)
09:34 <guru3> you got a rank for it
09:34 <philippeqc> lol
09:34 <philippeqc> thanks for pointing it
09:35 <guru3> i can't ever remember a single post that long before
09:35 <philippeqc> its a cheat, its only 66 chars wide
09:36 <guru3> heh
09:36 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: my mind is empty of ideas without team support
09:37 <philippeqc> that is temporary
09:37 <wrtlprnft> but i can't do anything useful without it
09:37 <philippeqc> but yes, its a pain
09:37 <philippeqc> just write a map with it then
09:38 <philippeqc> I'll code the same hack for matching teams on exact names
09:38 <wrtlprnft> that might make sense
09:39 <wrtlprnft> can you control zone rotation speed already?
09:39 <philippeqc> speed and acceleration
09:40 <wrtlprnft> so it would be possible to make a teamsumo with it?
09:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, do all old- style zones still work?
09:40 <philippeqc> it should, but due to lack of suppor of tValue, you'd have it quite "sampled"
09:41 <philippeqc> win, death ? yes
09:41 <philippeqc> fortress, you need to plug in a monitor
09:42 <philippeqc> you remember the double fortress that jumped around. you could write in more steps, but it will stay steps, rather than nice smooth transition
09:42 <wrtlprnft> so i guess tValue/tCode will have to happen first?
09:43 <philippeqc> for nicer effect, yes
09:43 <philippeqc> I did the double fortress with 3 steps, it was usable as a demo
09:43 <wrtlprnft> still jumpy
09:43 <philippeqc> i said usable ;)
09:43 <wrtlprnft> i guess you aren't leaving me a choice but do tValue
09:44 <philippeqc> lol
09:44 * philippeqc takes on my Mr Burns voice ..... "Excellent2
09:44 <philippeqc> "
09:44 <wrtlprnft> I'll do the stonehenge map i wanted to do for ages first, it's easy, dumb work
09:44 <philippeqc> stonehenge! with lots of zones as pillars? what do they do?
09:45 <wrtlprnft> no, walls as pillars
09:45 <wrtlprnft> no zones yet
09:46 <wrtlprnft> :(
09:46 <philippeqc> ok
09:47 <philippeqc> I guess I should publish a few maps ;)
09:47 <wrtlprnft> true
09:47 <wrtlprnft> examples
09:47 <philippeqc> but mine such sooooo much
09:48 <philippeqc> suck
09:48 <philippeqc> grrr, brain wake up
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> how dare a spammer tell me to reply to each link only once
09:49 <philippeqc> its a concencious spammer?
09:50 <philippeqc> nothing forbids the butcher of being vegan.
09:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 482-1023
09:51 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf
09:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 482 - 1023
09:51 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 1023 - 482
09:51 <armabot> 1,023 - 482 = 541
09:53 <Your_mom_arma> after reading phiilips post about 5 times i still dont see how exactly the changes would effect gameplay
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09:55 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: more possibilities with zones than what we have now
09:55 <philippeqc> Your_mom_arma: good comment, First I wanted to preserve everything that was there
09:55 <philippeqc> then I wanted to add more control to the zones
09:55 <philippeqc> one example I like need effect that still arent there
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09:56 <philippeqc> think fortress, but 1 player on each side has a very special ability. If the come in the fortress, they pick it up and carry it.
09:57 <Your_mom_arma> oh so you can actually get a zone to "attatch" to a player?
09:57 <philippeqc> forgetting the problem of implementing that capacity, to make such a map, you'd need to be able to only detect that it is THAT player
09:58 <philippeqc> no, sadly not. I cant get that, not yet, but I havent investigated it either
09:59 <philippeqc> the bank of possible effect is VERY restricted now, so its difficult to do anything fun. I guess teleport and flush-the-trace (ie: reset it to lenght 0) will come.
10:00 <philippeqc> you could have a map with many zones, one for each player. When someone enters a zone, its owner gets teleported to a random location. That would be one usage
10:01 <philippeqc> hummm, I think I'm going in the wrong direction. The special thing isnt about the effect, its about the selection mecanism.
10:02 <philippeqc> I think the thing here is really the owner vs user vs target separation
10:02 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.png
10:02 <philippeqc> effects we can always add more
10:02 <wrtlprnft> that's how far i am now :)
10:02 <wrtlprnft> still missing a bit ;)
10:03 <philippeqc> nice
10:03 <guru3> that will be hard as hell to play wrtlprnft ><
10:03 <wrtlprnft> guess so
10:03 <wrtlprnft> http://www.fromoldbooks.org/OldEngland/pages/0002-Stonehenge-Restored-plan/0002-Stonehenge-Restored-plan-q85-1165x1066.jpg <-- my target
10:03 <philippeqc> ding! Your_mom_arma : make a big zone, put everybody inside, and associate a "kill triggerer" effect if they leave it.
10:04 <Your_mom_arma> hmmm
10:05 <philippeqc> make a sacrificial jail escape. each team start inside a zone, one player needs to sacrifice himself by leaving it, so the rest can leave it unarmed
10:06 <guru3> unarmed?
10:06 <guru3> do they have arms to start with?
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm aproaching 6000 feet now, I better not crash this time
10:06 <philippeqc> unharmed?
10:06 <guru3> :)
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, flying over the second reservoir
10:08 <Your_mom_arma> a growing zone in the center red team can't leave without die'ing and a bunch of zones scattered aroung that blue team can take for points so they have to weave in and out of where the red team is playing to get the zones worth points
10:08 <philippeqc> Your_mom_arma: i know its very rough now, as I said it lacks many effect, many "targets" too. When you have ideas about additions, just pass them to me, and I'll see what I can do about them
10:08 <Your_mom_arma> running thought^
10:09 <philippeqc> yes
10:12 <philippeqc> Your_mom_arma: right now, the only really fun effect available are about killing players based on ownership. Imagine a fortress setup with multiple zone. Each time you conquer one, a player of the enemy team pops.
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10:16 <philippeqc> hi anjori
10:16 <anjori> hey
10:16 <Lizz> hiya anj
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10:29 <wrtlprnft> #g 456 - 146
10:29 <armabot> 456 - 146 = 310
10:32 <philippeqc> got a name for the dtd for zone v2
10:32 <philippeqc> should I go with 0.3.1.x and assume that I'll make 0.3.1 delivery
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I got all the way there and even landed on the right one
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, I had to make 3 passes because I screwed up the first 2, but hey, I made it :)
10:33 <philippeqc> neat! landing isnt easy
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> and then while I was parking the plane, I hit the brake so hard the plane tipped over :/
10:33 <philippeqc> lol
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> now, how do I get gas? I want to fly back to the airport I started from....
10:35 <Your_mom_arma> attack Iran?
10:36 <Your_mom_arma> its a joke
10:36 <spidey> heh
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> sure, I'll attack Iran with my Cessna 172 :)
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> just realized I forgot to set the parking brake. can't smoke in the plane!
10:43 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.png <-- almost done
10:43 <guru3> "meep"
10:44 <Your_mom_arma> tell me your using somthing better then nemo's circle generater
10:44 <wrtlprnft> uh
10:44 <wrtlprnft> i'm using vim and that's it
10:44 <wrtlprnft> and http://www.fromoldbooks.org/OldEngland/pages/0002-Stonehenge-Restored-plan/0002-Stonehenge-Restored-plan-q85-1165x1066.jpg
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here goes, trying to fly back now :)
10:50 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how did you do all the math to rotate each block?
10:51 <wrtlprnft> no
10:51 <wrtlprnft> just took an image editor and got the coordinates from there
10:51 <wrtlprnft> if i rotate it it'll be too regular
10:51 <wrtlprnft> but i did mirror where possible
10:51 <philippeqc> ok
10:52 <philippeqc> thought somehow you did matrix rotation in gvim
10:52 <philippeqc> would have love to learn to do matrix rotation in gvim ;)
10:53 <wrtlprnft> i used n<CTRL-X> a lot
10:53 <wrtlprnft> replace n by any nunber
10:53 <wrtlprnft> it'll decrease the number the cursor is on by ten
10:53 <philippeqc> o, have to try that
10:53 <wrtlprnft> and <CTRL-A> for the opposite
10:54 * spidey trips wejp
10:54 <philippeqc> CTRL-x that must not be in vim
10:54 <spidey> 'er
10:54 <wrtlprnft> if you use it together with . (repeats last command) you can easily move a bunch of points around
10:54 * spidey trips wrtlprnft
10:54 <wrtlprnft> it is
10:54 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: type any number
10:54 <philippeqc> o yeah
10:54 <wrtlprnft> then go into normal mode
10:54 <wejp> mhhh
10:54 <wrtlprnft> and hold <CTRL-X>
10:54 <spidey> lol
10:54 <wejp> :O
10:54 <philippeqc> and?
10:54 <spidey> wasn't me!
10:54 <wejp> lol
10:55 * spidey points to wrtlprnft
10:55 <wrtlprnft> that should be it
10:55 <wejp> ;)
10:55 <wrtlprnft> it should show the number rapidly decreasing
10:55 <philippeqc> . => r3
10:56 <philippeqc> 2 CTRL-X . only replace the current
10:56 <wrtlprnft> no
10:56 <philippeqc> it ignored the nCTRL-X
10:56 <wrtlprnft> you know vim, right?
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10:56 <philippeqc> yes
10:56 <philippeqc> but its been a while
10:57 <philippeqc> and never used CTRL's
10:57 <wrtlprnft> let's try "guided mode"
10:57 <wrtlprnft> open vim
10:57 <wrtlprnft> then press the following keys
10:57 <philippeqc> check
10:57 <wrtlprnft> i100<esc>
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 2<CTRL-A>
10:57 <wrtlprnft> .........
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 42<CTRL-X>
10:57 <wrtlprnft> .......
10:58 <wrtlprnft> (enter the dots)
10:58 <philippeqc> wow
10:58 <philippeqc> ha! though it was a complex search and replace
10:58 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:58 <philippeqc> i started with the text "n" no math possible there
10:59 <wrtlprnft> imagine that with more than one number
10:59 <wrtlprnft> and moving the cursor between issuing the . commands
10:59 <wrtlprnft> and there you can move points very easily
11:00 <philippeqc> neat
11:00 <philippeqc> thanks for the crash course
11:00 <wrtlprnft> yw
11:01 <wrtlprnft> there's lots of combinations worth learning
11:01 <wrtlprnft> cw or ct" is useful as well
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it deletes the next word/all characters up to the next " and throws you into insert mode
11:03 <philippeqc> neato, I overused s for that case
11:03 <wrtlprnft> heh, i rarely use s
11:03 <wrtlprnft> mostly in visual block mode
11:04 <philippeqc> i was quite good some years ago
11:04 <philippeqc> but my fingers knew it, not my brain
11:04 <wrtlprnft> same here
11:04 <spidey> 'er
11:04 <spidey> to run something in the background it's ./whatever &
11:04 <spidey> right?
11:05 <anjori> yes
11:05 <philippeqc> yes
11:05 <spidey> :|
11:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:05 <philippeqc> or if it is already running, do CTRL-z (sleep) and then bg (put in background)
11:05 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
11:06 <philippeqc> cya
11:06 <wrtlprnft> cya
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11:06 * spidey checks server list
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> I can't be going the right way, haha
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> the scenery looks different
11:06 <spidey> what are you doing?
11:06 <philippeqc> if I havent convinced your_mom of the validity of the new zone, maybe I did something wrong
11:07 <wrtlprnft> no, it's great, just bad without team control
11:09 <spidey> it's not working :/
11:09 <wrtlprnft> what command?
11:09 <spidey> [2]+ Stopped ./armagetronad-dedicated
11:09 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# bg
11:09 <spidey> [2]+ ./armagetronad-dedicated &
11:09 <spidey> although it says it is
11:09 <spidey> but it's not :/
11:10 <wrtlprnft> it will still print onto the console
11:10 <wrtlprnft> but you can issue commands in your shell
11:10 <philippeqc> spidey, I was not able to do that with my server either
11:10 <spidey> hmmm
11:10 <wrtlprnft> if you wanna discard its output append >/dev/null 2>&1 &
11:10 <philippeqc> somehow, that killed the network. Not sure about that being true, just had the feeling of it
11:11 <philippeqc> spidey, instead, I'd suggest you check the command "screen"
11:11 <spidey> doesn't have screen
11:11 <philippeqc> you should be able to install it
11:11 <spidey> it's a webserver ;x
11:11 <philippeqc> its old as ages
11:11 <philippeqc> ooooooooooooooooo
11:11 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# screen
11:11 <spidey> Cannot access '/dev/pts/0': No such file or directory
11:12 <philippeqc> its there, just not configured
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> you probably want to use nohup
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> unless you want to actually connect to it
11:12 <spidey> tried nohup too
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> no nohup?
11:12 <spidey> yes,it has nohup
11:12 <philippeqc> a background job will be killed when the shell closes (IIRC)
11:12 <spidey> just freezes
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> nohup frees it from the shell
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's its purpose
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> so you do like this:
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> nohup armagetronad-dedicated &
11:15 <spidey> /usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
11:15 <spidey> /usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
11:15 <spidey> it supposed to say that? O.o
11:16 <wrtlprnft> nohup ./arma* probably
11:16 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.png <-- does that look good now?
11:16 <spidey> Unknown command line option ./armagetronad-dedicated-uninstall. Type armagetronad-dedicated -h to get a list of possible options.
11:16 <guru3> it looks funky
11:16 <spidey> it added that line O.o
11:17 <philippeqc> wow
11:17 <wrtlprnft> I'll set up a server wit it
11:17 <wrtlprnft> *with
11:17 <philippeqc> fps killer ;)
11:17 <wrtlprnft> probably
11:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
11:17 <wrtlprnft> it took like 5 seconds for nemo's previewer to parse it
11:18 <guru3> goes about instant for me
11:18 <wrtlprnft> if you request the image
11:18 <wrtlprnft> if you upload the thing and it has to recreate the image, not
11:19 <guru3> mm
11:19 <guru3> i suppose
11:23 <wrtlprnft> ok, the server is running, called "Stonehenge! Ancient world!"
11:24 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, what are you playing?
11:24 <guru3> ok
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> FLightGear
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's something wrong with it's water simulation though
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> the plane doesn't sink! I landed on the water :(
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:25 <spidey> try that in realy life :p
11:25 <spidey> i'ma download it
11:26 <spidey> ;x
11:26 <spidey> 2 minutes
11:26 <spidey> ;x
11:27 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: got the link to upload to the res repo?
11:27 <philippeqc> I always loose it :(
11:28 <philippeqc> found it in the wiki
11:30 <guru3> come play on stonehenge ppl
11:30 <guru3> it's a challange
11:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: did you fix the bug in trunk head?
11:32 <philippeqc> recompiling trunk head
11:32 <philippeqc> will be there in a flash
11:32 * spidey fixes his xbox controller and installs halo
11:32 <guru3> good phil
11:32 <guru3> come & play
11:34 <spidey> hah
11:34 <spidey> this hdd is currupt ;x
11:35 <guru3> "oops"
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently you can't launch a cessna from the carrier
11:36 <spidey> i feel like i'm 10 again,lol
11:36 * spidey is installing zoo tycoon
11:45 <guru3> lol
11:46 -!- anjori [n=anonymou@S0106001150573139.vc.shawcable.net] has quit []
12:17 <philippeqc> yippy, I'm me
12:18 <guru3> damn
12:18 <guru3> it's phil
12:19 <philippeqc> hehe
12:19 <philippeqc> F34r m3
12:19 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: ping
12:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: can i have that map now?
12:28 <philippeqc> making it
12:28 <wrtlprnft> making?
12:28 <wrtlprnft> i just want the one with the pink zones
12:28 <philippeqc> o yeah, I dont need to fix the points!
12:29 <philippeqc> on your stonehedge
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> man, I got lost reading your post about zones :(
12:31 <philippeqc> lol
12:31 <philippeqc> its ok
12:31 <wrtlprnft> just the map you had on your server, with the zones that gave 2 points and then popped up somewhere else
12:31 -!- spidey is now known as woo
12:31 -!- woo is now known as spidey
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I have a constructive criticism for the format, though. :)
12:32 <spidey> zoo tycoon owns! :">
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> some sort of preset system
12:32 * spidey installs rollercoaster tycoon
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I couldn't figure out how to get my jet onto the catapult, so I just launched like a regular runway
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> then I got lost looking for the carrier so I could land, heh
12:32 <guru3> lol
12:32 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i tried installing that thing,it said something was currupt
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, philippeqc , it would be nice to have a preset system of some sort, like:
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> <zone><preset type="fortress" /></zone>
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> then let presets be defined either at the top of the map file, and also have a collection of preset files that ship with the game
12:34 * Lucifer_arma is re-reading philippe's post from the end to the beginning
12:35 <guru3> lol
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, it goes from general to specific, sometimes stuff makes more sense if you read it from specific to general
12:37 * wrtlprnft just wants an example he can hack
12:37 <philippeqc> lucifer, a fortress is just pointing to a monitor. It is the monitor that decide the consequence, and you'd need to pass it some info or have presetMonitorRed and presetMonitorBlue
12:37 <wrtlprnft> i did read the post and have an idea about what's going on, but I dunno where to start it
12:37 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: its coming on pastebin
12:38 <philippeqc> poor lil paste bin, working hard on the map
12:38 <wrtlprnft> why do all people have team red and team blue now? :S
12:38 <wrtlprnft> team gold looks better than red and blue together
12:39 <philippeqc> cause I'm unimaginative
12:39 <philippeqc> and they just copy me
12:39 * spidey has default colors :p
12:39 * Lucifer_arma goes to make a server with team gold and team silver
12:39 <spidey> haha
12:39 <wrtlprnft> yay!
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> could it be because red and blue are the bad guys/good guys in the movie?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> pfft
12:39 <wrtlprnft> what movie? ;)
12:40 <philippeqc> azure,cobalt,midnight,royal
12:40 <philippeqc> cerise,mauve,rust,sangria
12:40 <philippeqc> those ARE colors
12:40 <spidey> i want orange and purple
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, to make a fortress, I'd need to have a monitor that controls a zone?
12:40 <wrtlprnft> i want pink and putple
12:40 <wrtlprnft> *purple
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> and when the monitor reaches "full", it would trigger the zone's effect, which is to win the round?
12:40 <philippeqc> inverted, the zone influence the monitor
12:41 <philippeqc> the monitor can influence the zone back
12:41 <spidey> hmm
12:41 <philippeqc> yes
12:41 <philippeqc> exactly
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, then the monitor's effect triggers when it's "full"?
12:41 <spidey> what controls the zone colors?
12:41 <spidey> the map?
12:41 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:41 <spidey> k
12:41 <philippeqc> YES
12:41 <philippeqc> r g b
12:41 <wrtlprnft> what about poor little a?
12:41 <philippeqc> Hot Pink is 0xfc0f0c and sooo not gay!
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> hot pink rules!
12:41 <philippeqc> yeah!
12:42 <spidey> i'll do it later,i'm 3k dollars in debt in zoo tycoon ;x
12:42 <philippeqc> oooo, a!
12:42 <philippeqc> I'll note that one
12:42 <wrtlprnft> i can give you some money from GTA SA
12:42 <wrtlprnft> i have like $110,000,000 there
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ;)
12:42 <philippeqc> I should open a change bureau. Take money from one game and give you money for another game
12:42 <philippeqc> for a fee
12:43 <philippeqc> with rates and stull
12:43 <philippeqc> stuff
12:43 <philippeqc> ok my map is killing paste bin
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think I get it
12:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: is it soo big?
12:44 <spidey> lol phili
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> so a fortress zone would be just a zone with a team owner, but nothing else
12:44 <philippeqc> wrt, get on IM
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> Then I'd create a monitor that affects the rotation speed of the fortress zone
12:44 <philippeqc> yes
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> The monitor would have min/max [0,1], and a OnOver(1.0) wintheround()
12:45 <philippeqc> the zone will have 2 user in the effect group, one for the defense, one for the attack, each pointing back to the same monitor
12:45 <philippeqc> yes
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, how about a zone that works like this (for an example):
12:46 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: are you getting this?
12:46 <wrtlprnft> kinda
12:46 <wrtlprnft> but file transfers tend to not work for me
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> it has a team that owns it, and whenever someone from that team is inside the zone, it expands
12:46 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: getting => receiving the file
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> so, a monitor that causes the zone to expand
12:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/new.php
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> for anybody not in the team that owns it, they die inside the zone
12:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i accepted it, but the file isn't coming
12:46 <philippeqc> ok
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> the zone starts small, of course
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> the zone shrinks to a minimum radius when nobody's in it
12:47 <philippeqc> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/100693
12:47 <wrtlprnft> got it
12:47 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/100694 :S
12:48 <wrtlprnft> *:D
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> so, I need a zone, obviously
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> um, do you have to specify owners for the monitor too?
12:48 <philippeqc> ownership is always at the EffectGroup
12:48 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: hmm, let me checkout and compile your branch
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> aha, ok
12:49 <philippeqc> monitor has rules that have EffectGroup. Yes I know not that obvious
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> so, the zone has an effectgroup with teamOwner "red"
12:49 <philippeqc> yes
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> and the effect affects everybody not in team "red", and it's "kill"
12:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: gah, need to recompile svn on the server
12:50 <philippeqc> ?
12:50 <wrtlprnft> it broke in some library update
12:50 <philippeqc> recompile svn or recompile code that svn fetched
12:50 <wrtlprnft> both
12:50 <philippeqc> ok
12:50 <wrtlprnft> first recompile svn to fetch the code
12:50 <wrtlprnft> then compile that code
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> then I need a monitor with a negative drift, low of say "5", and init of "5"
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't specify a high for the monitor, does it assume infinity?
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. the range would be from [low, infinity) ?
12:51 * spidey notes lions fuck the most
12:51 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: do we really need that many zones?
12:51 <wrtlprnft> if you want one moving zone
12:51 <spidey> they always making little babies for me to sell ;x
12:51 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just make a single zone with a monitor
12:51 <philippeqc> o, somehow I though you wanted 16 ;)
12:51 <wrtlprnft> everytime someone enters it the monitor gets increased by 1
12:52 <wrtlprnft> and the monitor has effects that place the zone in different sptos
12:52 <wrtlprnft> *spots
12:52 <wrtlprnft> and when the monitor reaches the maximum it gets reset to 0
12:52 <philippeqc> YES! make 16 "range" , and just move the same zone at different position with it
12:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:52 <philippeqc> dont use the drift and slide, use the set
12:53 <philippeqc> seee, I know that I managed to build a system that was actually more complex than what I could actually understand!
12:53 <philippeqc> Hurray for me
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> if I don't specify a high for the monitor, does it assume infinity?
12:53 <wrtlprnft> i can't upload the map to the repository, right?
12:53 <philippeqc> default are 0,1
12:53 <philippeqc> nope
12:53 <philippeqc> me neither
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> is infinite range available?
12:53 <wrtlprnft> gah
12:53 <philippeqc> pigned luke-jr_ to post the dtd, but no answer
12:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: maximum="1e42"
12:54 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there is an answer
12:54 * Lucifer_arma notes that 1e42 is less than infinity
12:54 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6571
12:54 <philippeqc> change the name to it overwrite your old stoneedge ppl will dl that one and get the walls
12:54 * wrtlprnft notes that for all practical monitor reasons 1e42 is infinity
12:54 <philippeqc> 1e42+1 then
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> so no infinite range available?
12:55 <philippeqc> o sorry lucifer, I didnt plan for that case
12:55 <philippeqc> how should I store a value that can go to infinity?
12:56 <philippeqc> lucifer, why would you want infinite range? Just out of curiosity
12:56 <wrtlprnft> there is an inf float value
12:57 <wrtlprnft> it's what you get when you divide by 0
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, the zone I'm talking about would have a minimum radius, but no maximum radius, so it would grow infinitely large
12:57 <wrtlprnft> i think there's a define, i think it's called INF
12:57 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@DC-201-39.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
12:57 <philippeqc> I'll see what I can do about clamping and infinity
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not nitpicking, it's just more intuitive to me to set the max to infinity rather than some arbitrarily large value
12:58 <Lizz> hi phil n loocee
12:58 <philippeqc> hi Lizzard breath
12:59 <wrtlprnft> hi gecko
12:59 * Lizz breathes on phil
12:59 <Lizz> hiya wrt
12:59 <wrtlprnft> hi split tongue
12:59 <philippeqc> humm, minthy fresh
12:59 <Lizz> lol
12:59 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'll really look into it
12:59 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: did you get that update thing fixed
12:59 <philippeqc> nope
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'm still confused
12:59 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
12:59 <philippeqc> yes?
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> do I need a monitor to make a zone that expands when an owner is in it?
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> or can the zone do it by itself?
13:00 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about making the monitor increase slowly
13:00 * Lizz refrains from commenting on loocee's confusion
13:00 <wrtlprnft> so the zones moves by itself if noone catches it
13:00 <spidey> installing rollercoaster tycoon 2,brb
13:00 <philippeqc> yes, because you should be counting the time spent in it.
13:01 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: for now, the only affectable variable is the monitor
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmm, let's see
13:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: incrise the monitor all the time: use drift
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like the monitor stores a value
13:01 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: i'm open for new ideas, dont hold your thinking to monitor
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> and you can have it so that if a player triggers the monitor, it increases or decreases the value inside the monitor
13:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes, but didn't you say it won't affect the zone if nothing else influences it?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> and then you have effects that are applied at times based on that value
13:02 <spidey> i don't see how they say the minimal this thing needs is a p3 at 700mhz, it's lagging the fuck outta my computer that's like 3times faster O.o
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> like, if the value is within range, outside range, or hits a stopper
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> and that's all a monitor is
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> is that about right? or did I miss something?
13:02 <philippeqc> drift is active all the time, but the actual evaluation of EffectGroup is only triggered when a player is in it. its a "bug" in my system, bad design
13:02 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: so the zone won't move by itself
13:03 <wrtlprnft> it will only move if someone is in it
13:03 <wrtlprnft> so someone reaches the zone, but it should already be somewhere else
13:03 <philippeqc> yes. monitor is value, influenced by outside, clamped, that trigger rules base on the value
13:03 <wrtlprnft> that sucks, so I won't make the zone move at all
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> so, the monitor might drift to a lower value, but until a player goes inside it, the zone won't actually shrink?
13:03 * Lucifer_arma notes that he and wrtlprnft are talking about different zones :)
13:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: no not yet, the zone will hold in place. But I think this got moved to the top of my list.
13:04 * wrtlprnft notes that he know
13:04 <wrtlprnft> s
13:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you can make it jump to pre-defined locations
13:04 <wrtlprnft> that's what i'm gonna do
13:04 <philippeqc> yes Lucifer_arma monitor will drift, but not affect the zone
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> so what about other effects, like having a zone move but it needs to bounce off a wall?
13:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: we're talking about the same problem tho
13:05 <wrtlprnft> no
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> er, I dont' know if that's an effect
13:05 <wrtlprnft> not yet
13:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I though you wanted to make it jump to fixed, known location when touched
13:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:05 <wrtlprnft> i do
13:06 <wrtlprnft> and i think i know how :)
13:06 <wrtlprnft> just need to get a working server
13:06 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: that for me is more scripting than this system.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> or hacking, see soccer sty
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking soccer sty
13:06 <philippeqc> yes
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> to do that we'd need to have the effect of a player entering the zone to be to change it's direction based on the player's velocity vector
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> and the zone's velocity
13:07 <philippeqc> but if you apply a zoneInfluence over it, you will overwrite the position. That might be a good thing, like to start a new soccer match after a point
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
13:07 <philippeqc> yes
13:07 <Lucifer_arma> and then we'd need to have the zone bounce off the walls on its own
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> finally, we'd need to have the zone give a point and end the round when it enters another zone
13:08 <philippeqc> I could hack the ZoneInfluence for that
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I kinda think the base system (i.e. without scripting) should allow the soccer sty natively :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe have an action for when a wall enters the zone?
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's fairly simple, just let there be motion and basic collision detection
13:09 <wrtlprnft> like, a rim wall
13:09 * philippeqc start to think our idea of base system should be revised, otherwise we will keep pushing mods we like in it ;)
13:09 * Lucifer_arma smiles
13:09 <wrtlprnft> poor philippeqc
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so actions for when walls enter the zone....
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> hm, how would you errrr.....
13:10 <philippeqc> hummm
13:10 <philippeqc> good idea
13:10 * Lucifer_arma thinks how his question goes
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, zones don't move now, is that right? You're talking about doing preplanned positions instead?
13:10 <philippeqc> maybe the model need to have something about interaction with zones and wall, rather than only with cycles
13:10 <philippeqc> moving would need tValue
13:10 <philippeqc> hint hint of the 2x4 category
13:11 <wrtlprnft> would need tValue support on the client i guess
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so assume it has tValue in it
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> now the zone moves
13:11 <philippeqc> then I guess they could move
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to generalize collision detection?
13:11 <philippeqc> you do a setPosition to a tValue having the equation you want, and tadam
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the exact direction of movement will change depending on how you hit what you hit
13:11 <philippeqc> generalize how?
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, if your zone hit's a wall, that's easy to code for, right? That collision and bounce is easy to write
13:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you could allow the map to use the direction of the wall it hit
13:12 <Lucifer_arma> but if it hits a cycle, there's room for interpretation
13:12 <wrtlprnft> so it could use some fancy trig in a tValue
13:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if it hits a cycle it could get to know the position of the cycle within the zone
13:13 <philippeqc> hit walls: bounce across the normal to the wall
13:13 <wrtlprnft> WHERE it entered the tone
13:13 <philippeqc> hit cycle: get affected by the speed vector of the cycle
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> so if you have it affected by the speed vector of the object, you get walls and cycles covered, the wall's speed is 0
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, affected how?
13:14 <wrtlprnft> if you could say something like "triggeringCycle.speed" or "this.positionx" or "triggeringCycle.positiony"...
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the cycle is just a point right now
13:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes! wall have 2 case: hitting the flat of a wall and hitting a corner/end of wall
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
13:14 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:14 <wrtlprnft> nice
13:14 <wrtlprnft> he made a fortress out of it?
13:15 <wrtlprnft> let me preview!
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, philippeqc, here's the explanation I skipped :)
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> if we have moving zones in the base, then it makes sense we should have them able to bounce off stuff
13:16 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/ed/stonehenge-0.0.1.png
13:16 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> if we don't have moving zones in the base, bouncing isn't needed
13:16 <wrtlprnft> he stripped it of the altar
13:16 <wrtlprnft> and one of those big blocks
13:16 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: you could give them a tValue that just makes them go front and back
13:17 <philippeqc> think its too much of a clear path in the middle
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> one of those things where you do x="40sin(gametime) + 100" ?
13:17 <philippeqc> and on the horizontal line in the middle
13:17 <philippeqc> yes
13:18 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: svn is still compiling :S
13:18 <wrtlprnft> just so you know i didn't forget about it ;)
13:18 <philippeqc> or if ((t/100)%value) { move from right to left} else {move from left to right}
13:18 <philippeqc> ;)
13:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: will the new maps work on older clients?
13:19 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: that wouldnt need engine support
13:19 <wrtlprnft> ie if i use your zone stuff, will they work on a 2.8 client?
13:19 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: write it over your own copy on the server, and expose only the 0.2.8 version on the repo
13:20 <philippeqc> zone stuff stay on the server. when you played agains me, you loaded the standard map
13:20 <wrtlprnft> i know
13:20 <wrtlprnft> but i don't want that hack
13:20 <wrtlprnft> I'll gladly make my own repository
13:20 <philippeqc> o
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> we need a SERVER_MAP_FILE config
13:20 <philippeqc> hummm yeah
13:20 <wrtlprnft> if the client has the DTD it should't mind the new tags, should it?
13:21 <wrtlprnft> just ignore them
13:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the only kind of movement available though. Hmmm....
13:21 <philippeqc> never tried it
13:22 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: yes I know
13:22 <philippeqc> t'was just an example often forgotten ;)
13:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: the client ignores zone tags altogether anyways, and wasn't that a part of your alternative concept, the parser just ignores what it doesn't know?
13:22 <philippeqc> yes
13:22 <philippeqc> but try it before
13:23 <wrtlprnft> :S
13:23 <wrtlprnft> i will
13:23 -!- guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
13:23 <wrtlprnft> yay
13:23 <philippeqc> map.dtd is the one you want, but on the repo, use map-0.3.1-a.dtd
13:23 * wrtlprnft CRIES OUT LOUD IN COLOR AS GURU3 CAN'T HEAR HIM!!!
13:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so it seems like you should be able to have any object on the grid affect a zone somehow
13:24 <wrtlprnft> i'll put it in wrtlprnft/ to make sure it doesn't influence anything in a bad way
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> and if you have the zone moving, then an obvious way to bounce the zone is through an object's effect
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> but there are lots of ways to bounce a zone. The basic breakout game just multiplied by -1 either dx or dy depending on if the wall was above or beside it
13:25 <wrtlprnft> that won't work if you can have abitary wall dirs
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> right, it also doesn't work when the cycle is just a point
13:25 <wrtlprnft> 503 Service Unavailable
13:25 <wrtlprnft> The service is not available. Please try again later.
13:26 <wrtlprnft> DARN STUPID SOURCEFORGE
13:26 <wrtlprnft> always if you need it it's down
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> when it's a point, like a cycle or the end of a wall, you have to deal with where it hits the zone
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> and that assumes the zone is a circle, what if the zone is a square?
13:26 <philippeqc> ;)
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you hit it on the corner with your cycle, that would just spin it
13:26 <wrtlprnft> heh
13:27 <wrtlprnft> having a spinning square zone
13:27 <philippeqc> o my, real physic! It should have a mass and all
13:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: get a name that's easier to spell
13:27 <wrtlprnft> ;)
13:28 <philippeqc> philippeqc is easy, you should try wrtlprnft without tab completion
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft
13:28 <philippeqc> you hit tab!
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> phillipeqc
13:28 <wrtlprnft> i always forget something
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> I did not
13:28 <wrtlprnft> like, philippeq
13:28 <wrtlprnft> or phillipeq
13:28 <wrtlprnft> or phillipeqc
13:28 <philippeqc> qc = QuebeC
13:28 <wrtlprnft> or philipeqc
13:28 <philippeqc> 1 L 2 P
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> I always get confused whether it has two l's and 2 p's, or 1 l and 3 p's
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> how many p's are in philippeqc ?
13:29 <philippeqc> 1 ph and 2 p
13:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqp?
13:29 <wrtlprnft> 3 there are
13:29 <philippeqc> no 4
13:29 <philippeqc> qC
13:29 <wrtlprnft> 3 there should be
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> there's 1 ph and 1 pp ?
13:30 <philippeqc> 1 ph 1 L 2 P 1 E
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> and an ili
13:30 <philippeqc> yeah, but thats' easy
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> I got the 1 E part
13:30 <wrtlprnft> Philippeqc
13:30 <philippeqc> hurray
13:30 <wrtlprnft> 3 p
13:30 <wrtlprnft> 1 l
13:31 <philippeqc> 1 w 2 r 2 t 1 l 1 p 1 f
13:31 <philippeqc> and 1 p
13:31 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle w r t l p r n f t
13:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: r t n f t w p r l
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> 1 l 1 u 1 c 1 i 1 f 1 e 1 r
13:32 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ever thought of getting a name like "tom" or "max" or "bob"? ;)
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> so, how about a map where you have a zone at one end, and a zone at the other
13:33 <wrtlprnft> easy names you can't misspell
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> the first zone moves towards the second zone, and when the two meet, the owners of the second zone die
13:33 <philippeqc> TomKzetaMAxb0b
13:33 <philippeqc> aka ph
13:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> so the owners of the second zone can slow down the first zone, and stop it
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, :)
13:33 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: making the client first now
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> 3 zones. 1 on each end and one in the middle
13:34 <wrtlprnft> to test my creations and zone locations
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> the one in the middle moves
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> when a person from one team is in it, it causes the zone to move towards the other team's zone
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> 2 opposing players cancel each other out, the zone continues moving at the same speed and direction it was before they went in
13:34 <philippeqc> humm yeah, that would be fun
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> and when the zone hits one of the team's zone, the other team wins the round :)
13:35 <philippeqc> well its a fortress started at 0.5, no drift, and both player have same influence, and it moves the zone on a line as a visual of the conquest
13:35 <philippeqc> you could make it move in many small jumps
13:35 <philippeqc> until tValues are there
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking it would move faster the longer you stay in it
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> and it *has* to go through the other team somehow, so it's basically sumo in a moving zone
13:36 <philippeqc> ouch, memory of past
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> and tug of war, it's also tug of war
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> it's sumo turned into tug of war :)
13:37 <philippeqc> tug of war?
13:37 <wrtlprnft> you have a rope
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, tug of war
13:37 <wrtlprnft> two teams at both ends
13:37 <philippeqc> ooo
13:37 <philippeqc> ok
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> a rope, a river, and two teams at both ends pulling on the rope
13:37 <wrtlprnft> and both teams try to pull the other over
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> the losing team is the one that falls into the river
13:37 <philippeqc> well, what you need is like 2 monitors
13:37 <wrtlprnft> or is intelligent ennough to let go of the rope
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> generally you let go before you fall into the river :)
13:38 <philippeqc> one that is the momentum of the zone, and the other is the actuall position. The later makes the win/lose decision
13:38 <philippeqc> only in movie do they fall in the river
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually they do such a thing every year across Town Lake in Austin, and some idiots never manage to let go of the rope and get pulled into the river
13:39 <philippeqc> player influence the momentum's value, and it in turn influence the position value
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> you could setup collision detection the same way
13:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: how do i call the DTD now?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> *similar
13:40 <philippeqc> where did you save it?
13:40 <philippeqc> yes
13:40 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft/map-0.3.1-a.dtd
13:40 <philippeqc> it SHOULD use the resource repo config to fecth it
13:40 <wrtlprnft> it does
13:40 <philippeqc> good
13:42 <wrtlprnft> and where's the right DTD?
13:42 <philippeqc> map.dtd
13:42 <wrtlprnft> which map.dtd do i take?
13:42 <philippeqc> map.dtd is the one i used for my test
13:43 <philippeqc> yeah, I know bad
13:43 <philippeqc> but its supposed to mean "head" in what ever branch it is.
13:43 <philippeqc> you need to publish that one
13:44 <wrtlprnft> ok, works now
13:45 <wrtlprnft> currently just testing locally
13:45 <philippeqc> hurray
13:45 <wrtlprnft> grr
13:46 <wrtlprnft> missing a tool to properly position the zones
13:46 <wrtlprnft> can't use map preview anymore
13:46 <wrtlprnft> but i have to find out the coordinates
13:46 <philippeqc> nope
13:46 <philippeqc> and even if you could, what should it display when you affect a zone position ?
13:46 <wrtlprnft> exactly
13:47 <wrtlprnft> it should be able to display some kind of coordinate grid for me
13:47 <philippeqc> ok, looking into you Effect to give rubber
13:47 <philippeqc> how do I affect a cycle's rubber?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> no rubber
13:47 <wrtlprnft> brakes
13:47 <wrtlprnft> just change its rubber member?
13:47 <philippeqc> what do you want, rubber or brake first?
13:48 <philippeqc> I need the member name
13:48 <philippeqc> ooo yeah, in gCycleMovement most likely
13:50 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:50 <philippeqc> private inline SetRubber
13:50 <wrtlprnft> make it public i guess
13:50 <philippeqc> yeah! make everything public ;)
13:50 <wrtlprnft> well, you need to if you wanna influence it
13:51 <philippeqc> z-man will like that soooooooooooo much
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13:51 <wrtlprnft> do you have a better solution?
13:51 <philippeqc> cant I friend it?
13:51 <wrtlprnft> uh
13:51 <philippeqc> always skipped the friends
13:52 <wrtlprnft> friends are evil imho
13:52 <wrtlprnft> <EffectGroup owners="" teamOwners="">
13:52 <wrtlprnft> that means everyone?
13:52 <philippeqc> that means there is no owners
13:53 <philippeqc> <User user="all"> means everyone
13:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm
13:53 <philippeqc> you owning an amusement park means your probably not the one using it ;)
13:56 <wrtlprnft> <MonitorInfluence name="monitor" influenceAdd="1" />
13:56 <wrtlprnft> that'll work, right?
13:56 <philippeqc> yes
13:56 <philippeqc> will increment the monitor "monitor" value by exactly 1
13:56 <wrtlprnft> good
13:57 <wrtlprnft> that's what i want
13:57 <philippeqc> the value is a float btw
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html
13:59 <philippeqc> differentiation!!!!!
13:59 <philippeqc> it support differentiation
13:59 <philippeqc> we should absolutly stop our meager effort and use that instead
14:00 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:00 <wrtlprnft> sure, add it
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14:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb guru3
14:00 <guru3> damn ipv6 stopped working
14:00 <philippeqc> wb
14:00 <wrtlprnft> wb
14:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nice way to say hello ><
14:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: adding it will most likely be easier than making our own
14:01 <wrtlprnft> that's what i say
14:02 <wrtlprnft> the question is, does it support what we need
14:02 <wrtlprnft> does it support strings?
14:02 <philippeqc> you mean "hello" + "world"
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, it's for math expressions
14:03 <philippeqc> or do you mean "your score is " + int
14:03 <wrtlprnft> yes
14:03 <wrtlprnft> for the cockpit :S
14:03 <wrtlprnft> not for zones of course
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14:03 <philippeqc> but wouldnt fixing the later be not so hard?
14:03 <spidey> ok
14:03 <spidey> it's war
14:03 <madmax|pt> hello
14:04 <spidey> i just stung on the neck by a red wasp
14:04 <spidey> >.<
14:04 <spidey> them fuckin things HURT
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> did you sting it back?
14:04 <spidey> right
14:05 * spidey is going to buy wasp killer today
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> what good is a spider that gets stung by wasps?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah man
14:05 <DrJoeTron> spidey up
14:05 <spidey> um
14:05 <spidey> wasps eat spiders
14:05 <spidey> duh
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> my idea of a wasp killer is to not kill spiders
14:05 <spidey> haven't you ever knocked a nest down?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> but spideys eat man
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in Tennessee they do....
14:06 <DrJoeTron> nope!
14:06 <spidey> i knocked a nest down once
14:06 <DrJoeTron> i value my life :D
14:06 <spidey> spiders came pooring out
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> no! that makes them all swarm!
14:06 <DrJoeTron> oh god
14:06 <spidey> they use them to feed there babies
14:06 <DrJoeTron> wasp spiders!?
14:06 <spidey> no...
14:06 <DrJoeTron> the world is not safE!?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> oh
14:06 <spidey> >.<
14:06 <madmax|pt> haha
14:06 <wrtlprnft> <Monitor name="monitorFortressRed" init="0.2" drift="-0.1" low="0.0" high="1.0">
14:07 <wrtlprnft> your documentation is wrong philippeqc
14:07 <wrtlprnft> low="" doesn't exist
14:07 <philippeqc> wait
14:07 <DrJoeTron> i'm like a zebra mussel
14:07 <philippeqc> updated that yesterday
14:07 <DrJoeTron> i dont belong and im everywhere you dont want me to be
14:07 <philippeqc> remove low and high, it is defaulted to that anyway
14:07 <madmax|pt> do we have to play with .3 on the ITW server?
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> you're also a collection agent
14:07 <philippeqc> i'll update svn soon
14:07 <DrJoeTron> yes
14:07 <wrtlprnft> but i want high="10"
14:08 <wrtlprnft> and i need it now :S
14:08 <philippeqc> o
14:08 <DrJoeTron> i also ride bilge pumps
14:08 <philippeqc> yeah yeah, ok
14:08 <philippeqc> ;)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> :D
14:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what about allowing users to upload their own DTDs, but only into their own dirs?
14:09 <wrtlprnft> so i could upload a wrtlprnft/map-3.1-zones.dtd
14:10 <wrtlprnft> that wouldn't mess with the main dir or with AATeam/
14:10 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5829 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): dtd and parser didnt support low and high for monitor
14:10 <DrJoeTron> spidey, buy a ds >.>
14:10 <philippeqc> SHOULD work
14:10 * wrtlprnft hopes
14:10 <DrJoeTron> you get to play with your best friend
14:10 <DrJoeTron> <--
14:11 <philippeqc> minimal changes, should
14:11 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/gParser.cpp:895: error: 'class zMonitor' has no member named 'setClampLow'
14:11 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/gParser.cpp:896: error: 'class zMonitor' has no member named 'setClampHigh'
14:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc:
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> famous last words: "This should work"
14:12 * wrtlprnft feels bad about forcing philippeqc to commit this so fast
14:13 <philippeqc> that worked yesterday, but I forgot to commit and now I want to avoid pushing the changes for the rubber and brake
14:13 <wrtlprnft> maybe you forgot to commit src/tron/zones/zMonitor.h?
14:14 <philippeqc> yes
14:15 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5830 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zMonitor.h: forgot zMonitor in the last commit
14:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, can you make an influence that sets a setting?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> like <SettingInfluence name="SAY" value="Got me!" />
14:15 <philippeqc> ?
14:16 <philippeqc> ???
14:16 <philippeqc> I dont understand
14:16 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:16 <wrtlprnft> if someone enters a zone it changes a setting
14:17 <philippeqc> game setting, like rubber, or max speed ?
14:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_ might like that too, that would be the first step to his demographic test server?
14:17 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: any config item
14:17 <philippeqc> but you mean something like that?
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> talk_to_master ?
14:17 <wrtlprnft> yes
14:17 <philippeqc> lol
14:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: heh, that might be an idea for a tournament server
14:17 <DrJoeTron> d00d wut dat settin du ne wai?
14:18 <philippeqc> humm, could be. not sure how. can tValue affect a setting? or just fetch it?
14:18 <DrJoeTron> im so glad i took my aim sn off the arma boards
14:18 <DrJoeTron> i got the question asked bi weekly
14:18 <wrtlprnft> there's a tValueConfigitem for fetching
14:18 <wrtlprnft> but i don't mean that
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, /usr/portage is 2GB and /usr/lib is 1.1GB
14:18 <philippeqc> but setting?
14:18 <wrtlprnft> like the <Setting /> tag
14:19 <wrtlprnft> but it only gets executed if, say, the user enters a zone
14:19 <wrtlprnft> like all the other influences
14:19 <philippeqc> i was thinking rather, pick up the setting, like cycle_speed, and use THAT as the value to monitor
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> so you could have a red zone, and when a user enters it it could do "SAY Don't enter this zone again!"
14:19 <wrtlprnft> exactly
14:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i didn't mean that
14:20 <philippeqc> but it could also be as an "effect", like you mention
14:20 <wrtlprnft> just execute a console command on some user action
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> QUIT
14:20 <philippeqc> yes
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
14:20 <wrtlprnft> i mean, serverside
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> KICK $player
14:20 <wrtlprnft> and it should be defined on the map
14:20 <wrtlprnft> so it's safe
14:20 <philippeqc> ok
14:21 <philippeqc> I'm starting to get it.
14:21 <spidey> lmao
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> is portage usually around 2GB?
14:21 <spidey> a guy got bit by a snake at walmart
14:21 <philippeqc> i guess it could be added
14:21 <spidey> a 15inch rattler
14:21 <spidey> pigme rattler
14:21 <spidey> whatever that is
14:22 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: on ext3 it is
14:22 <wrtlprnft> use reiser :P
14:22 <philippeqc> noted both on my todo list
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> how about console output associated with the application of an effect?
14:23 <wrtlprnft> that would be CONSOLE_MESSAGE
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> like, I could have a zone that kills all players named BlAzE, and then says "You're an ass!"
14:23 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/100752
14:23 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't that work? :S
14:24 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
14:24 <wrtlprnft> i suck
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, if portage stays around 2GB, then I'd rather not make a partition for it
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather make a partition for something that's likely to grow into the space
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> lib and share are both good candidates for that :)
14:25 <wrtlprnft> yay it works!
14:25 <philippeqc> different name for monitorInfluence and monitor
14:25 <DrJoeTron> death zone client recognition
14:26 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i know, i saw it
14:26 <wrtlprnft> that's why i said nvm
14:26 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: ?
14:26 <philippeqc> sorry, only read first line then went to check it
14:27 <philippeqc> lol, Lucifer_arma wrtlprnft , everytime someone say something matching the regex ".*[lL][aA][gG].*" they get killed?
14:27 <Lucifer_arma> it takes longer to rm -Rf a directory than it does to format the partition
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah!
14:28 <wrtlprnft> works, works, works!
14:28 <Lucifer_arma> make that a default setting! :)
14:28 <wrtlprnft> yay yay, yay?
14:28 <wrtlprnft> !
14:28 <philippeqc> lol, they will complain a lot about lag and get killed a lot about it lol
14:29 <philippeqc> and regex ".*philippeqc is a genius.*" get 1 point
14:29 <DrJoeTron> hehe what are you guys working on?
14:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: if i don't specify a <Radius /> tag in a <ZoneInfluence>, shouldn't the radius remain unchanged?
14:29 <philippeqc> noooooooooooooooothing
14:29 <DrJoeTron> hahaha "D
14:29 <philippeqc> no, that is broken, I need to fix it
14:29 <wrtlprnft> it gets set to some small value if i omit it
14:30 <wrtlprnft> same with <Rotation>
14:30 <philippeqc> all of them
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> OMG LAG
14:32 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> we need an arma translator
14:32 <wrtlprnft> rotationSpeed doesn't seem to work at all
14:32 <wrtlprnft> what's the unit?
14:32 <philippeqc> huuuuu, never tried it
14:32 <Lucifer_arma> should be radians/minute
14:33 <philippeqc> it can be broke
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> it should be angular velocity :)
14:33 <wrtlprnft> doesn't do anything with 1.5, nor with 30
14:33 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'll accept that for now
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> did you try pi ?
14:33 <wrtlprnft> no
14:33 <philippeqc> on the todo list, which is growing a LOT
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> how about supporting radians wherever an angle is requested? ;)
14:34 <philippeqc> ok, fix it ;)
14:36 <wrtlprnft> almost ready to host the server
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> how about a game where there's one winzone and the teams must conquer it, but the zone moves about randomly
14:37 <Lucifer_arma> so you have to sumo in a moving zone :)
14:38 <wrtlprnft> oh, noooo!
14:38 <wrtlprnft> i forgot to start the compile run on my server
14:38 <wrtlprnft> it just finished configure and then idled
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> man, that's gonna take all night!
14:38 <wrtlprnft> well, guess we have to wait 20 minutes
14:39 <wrtlprnft> but it works locally
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it'll be done before my portage directory is finished being copied?
14:41 <wrtlprnft> heh
14:41 <wrtlprnft> portage has LOTS of small files
14:41 <wrtlprnft> that's why it's so huge on ext3
14:41 <wrtlprnft> because every small 100byte file will take up 4KB
14:43 <wrtlprnft> gcc crashed while compiling
14:43 <wrtlprnft> this server needs new ram, badly
14:44 <wrtlprnft> o_O my cockpit has a memory leak
14:44 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
14:44 <DrJoeTron> i need to get some ram
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> damn
14:44 <DrJoeTron> low timed too
14:44 <Lucifer_arma> what do I need to put in /etc/fstab to mount something from /this/directory to /another/directory?
14:44 <DrJoeTron> like pc2100
14:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> err
14:45 <wrtlprnft> you mean loopback?
14:45 <wrtlprnft> if it's another dir you just make a symlink
14:45 <wrtlprnft> ln -s
14:46 <wrtlprnft> or you mean a device file?
14:46 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5831 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): new effects recharge brake and rubber
14:47 <wrtlprnft> /this/directory /another/directory <fstype> auto 0 0
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean a directory
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> loopback sounds right, but doesn't work
14:47 <wrtlprnft> just link one dir to the other dir?
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> neither does loop or bind
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, no? ;)
14:48 <wrtlprnft> ln -s /this/directory /another/directory
14:48 <wrtlprnft> wtf
14:48 <wrtlprnft> I'm getting errors in tSafePTR.h
14:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/100777
14:49 <philippeqc> ?
14:49 <wrtlprnft> it does compile on my laptop, but not on the server
14:49 <wrtlprnft> but the server is with --disable-glout
14:49 <philippeqc> strange
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, found it
14:50 <Lucifer_arma> you set fs type to "none" and put "bind" in the options
14:51 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3966
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, not another link from DrJoeTron
14:51 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: did a svn update, ./bootstrap.sh and will recompile a server here
14:51 <DrJoeTron> hey now
14:51 <DrJoeTron> yeah my links are usually horrible :p
14:51 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's the gcc version?
14:51 <wrtlprnft> mathias@butler $ gcc --version ~/zonesrc
14:51 <wrtlprnft> gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, pie-8.7.8)
14:51 <philippeqc> compiling
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14:52 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
14:52 <philippeqc> gcc (GCC) 4.0.1 (4.0.1-5mdk for Mandriva Linux release 2006.0)
14:52 <wrtlprnft> i didn't update GCC on the server
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
14:52 <wrtlprnft> the laptop is
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> wtf? I thought I emerged gcc 4.1?
14:52 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ gcc --version ~/armagetronad3/zones/build2
14:52 <wrtlprnft> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
14:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you have to select it
14:53 * Lucifer_arma thought he did select it
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how do I select it?
14:53 <wrtlprnft> gcc-config
14:53 <wrtlprnft> gcc-config -l
14:53 <wrtlprnft> then find the one you want
14:53 <wrtlprnft> then
14:53 <wrtlprnft> gcc-config <numberY
14:53 <wrtlprnft> >
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> got it, thanks
14:54 <wrtlprnft> then source /etc/profile
14:54 <wrtlprnft> then you have to re- emerge system
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> gcc (GCC) 4.1.1 (Gentoo 4.1.1)
14:54 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:54 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: heh, i just changed the typedef to typedef zZone * zZonePtr
14:55 <wrtlprnft> now it runs through
14:55 <philippeqc> compiled here
14:55 <philippeqc> what line?
14:55 <wrtlprnft> uh
14:56 <wrtlprnft> very high up
14:56 <wrtlprnft> 11
14:56 <wrtlprnft> who needs controlled pointers anyways?
14:56 <wrtlprnft> they aren't enabled if you're not running in debug mode
14:56 <wrtlprnft> and if you run in gdb it'll tell you about 0- pointers anyways
14:58 <philippeqc> ok, but if you crash on the begining of the second round, you know you where wrong
14:58 <wrtlprnft> it crashes?
14:58 <philippeqc> what I had the boost::shared_ptr
14:58 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:58 <wrtlprnft> no
14:58 <philippeqc> because it tried to free it
14:59 <wrtlprnft> i changed it to a normal C pointer
14:59 <philippeqc> it should work, the map will just discard them and they should be pointing to collected object anyway
14:59 <philippeqc> so no fuss
14:59 <wrtlprnft> no smart pointers at all
14:59 <philippeqc> yep
15:00 <wrtlprnft> should i commit that? It won't hurt
15:00 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't crash, i just tested it on the client
15:00 <philippeqc> well if you do and then we start really deleting zones in play, then monitor COULD try to access them anyway, and THAT would crash
15:01 <wrtlprnft> it would stop anyways
15:01 <wrtlprnft> tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR just asserts the pointer
15:01 <wrtlprnft> afaik
15:01 <wrtlprnft> if it's 0 it'll kill arma
15:01 <philippeqc> ref count too
15:02 <wrtlprnft> tJUST_CONTROLLED_PTR doesn't do refcount, does it?
15:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what smart_ptr does
15:02 <philippeqc> so removing the zone might purge it from the main list of object, but if we still hold a ref, it will stay in memory and get all the action applied to it
15:02 <philippeqc> not perfect, but not crashing
15:02 <philippeqc> iirc it does refcount
15:03 <wrtlprnft> nvm then
15:03 <wrtlprnft> but still, it's a weird error
15:04 <wrtlprnft> of couse i could just update gcc
15:04 <philippeqc> me would prefer to change all the engine to boost::shared_ptr
15:05 <philippeqc> if only to remove one "made here"
15:05 <wrtlprnft> hmm
15:05 <wrtlprnft> i guess I'll just update gcc and leave it to someone else to worry
15:06 <philippeqc> keep it like that for now
15:06 <wrtlprnft> still compiling
15:06 <wrtlprnft> i hope it works
15:06 <philippeqc> me too
15:07 <philippeqc> want me to hold it?
15:07 <wrtlprnft> because it'll take ages for everything to compile with gcc 3.4
15:07 <philippeqc> my server is ready
15:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm, would make sense
15:07 <wrtlprnft> sec, I'll send you a config
15:08 <wrtlprnft> after the break, err, shower
15:08 <philippeqc> give me the RESOURCE_REPo and map-file
15:08 <philippeqc> ok
15:15 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: trying flightgear
15:15 <guru3> i crashed without even taking off
15:17 <DrJoeTron> what are the controls anyways?
15:17 <guru3> beats me
15:17 <guru3> that's my problem
15:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah, i keep crashing
15:18 <DrJoeTron> without taking off
15:18 <guru3> it tells me to accelerate
15:18 <guru3> i have no clue now tho
15:19 <wrtlprnft> guru3: page up
15:20 <guru3> hmm
15:20 <guru3> i very definitly crashed
15:20 <wrtlprnft> one time
15:20 <guru3> is there a page with a list of controls?
15:20 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:20 <wrtlprnft> help in the menu
15:21 <wrtlprnft> one time i accidently closed the gears before turning up the engine and fell through the ground
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15:23 <guru3> this is being tricky :/
15:23 <guru3> and not owrking
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha, I crashed again
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> ok, use the mouse, first, for the stick
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> page up/down are throttle
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> b is brake
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> right-click to make the mouse be the stick
15:24 <wrtlprnft> enter and zero are for the rudder
15:24 <guru3> i have no idea
15:24 <guru3> how to tell
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> I found using the keyboard for the stick was too slow, can't be responsive enough with it
15:24 <guru3> if my accelerator is even open
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's not :)
15:25 <DrJoeTron> jesus
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> page up to open up your throttle
15:25 <guru3> i did that
15:25 <DrJoeTron> haha i'll just play bf2 thank you
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, are you moving?
15:25 <guru3> but where can i _verify_ _it_ did it
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're moving, then it did it :)
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> x/shift-X are zoom controls
15:25 <guru3> i move without doing it :/
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you zoom out some you can see the other controls, one of the levers is the throttle
15:26 <guru3> :s
15:26 <guru3> this may be too complicated for me
15:26 <guru3> which keys for rudder?
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you use the mouse, you click the left button for the rudder
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> this is after you right-click to make the mouse be the stick
15:27 <Lucifer_arma> if your pointer is a cross-hair, that's it
15:28 <guru3> SPLAT
15:28 <guru3> again
15:28 <guru3> i give up
15:28 <wrtlprnft> weird
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> are you using the keyboard or mouse for the stick?
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> or a joystick?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> if i play on the server the first two times all works fine
15:29 <guru3> trying to use mouse
15:29 <wrtlprnft> but the zone won't move the third time
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, after you pull back to lift off, you get hit with a bunch of cross-currents
15:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: any idea?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: come to my server if you like, it's stonehenge hide and seek zones!
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> if you can hang on for a couple of hundred feet, those cross currents die off and you can level out
15:30 <philippeqc> ok
15:30 <guru3> why does there feel like there's a huge lag between moving the mouse
15:30 <wrtlprnft> now it
15:30 <guru3> and anything happening?
15:30 <wrtlprnft> is
15:30 <philippeqc> coming
15:30 <philippeqc> grrr
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> welcome to flight :)
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> that's just how it is
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15:30 <Lucifer_arma> when you move the mouse left/right, you move the ailerons on the wings, right?
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, it takes time for those to actually affect anything
15:31 <guru3> i suppose
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you only have control over the rate of change that the ailerons control
15:31 <Lucifer_arma> but it takes time for the change to occur
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> then, this is the part that's confusing if you've never played with a flight simulator, if you want to turn, you bank, right?
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> after you reach the desired bank, then you generally straighten the controls
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> you'll stay at that bank, because you're only controlling a rate of change. :) If you set it to 0, no change
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, there's a tutorial that explains it better than I'm explaining it
15:33 <guru3> i think i see
15:33 <guru3> sort of
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15:34 <guru3> it's asking me to level off
15:34 <guru3> pff
15:36 <guru3> i'm gonna be here forever ><
15:36 <guru3> "now try landing"
15:36 <guru3> my rseponse
15:36 <guru3> is where
15:38 <wrtlprnft> a) why does it work in a local game
15:38 <wrtlprnft> b) why do the first 2 zones work
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> land where you started? ;)
15:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: at first look all seems ok
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> I tried landing a bridge a little while ago :)
15:39 <guru3> my plane would just keep coasting
15:39 <guru3> never stopping :S
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> b is brake
15:40 <wrtlprnft> uh, and press page down ;)
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> but go easy on it, if you brake too hard at too high a speed you tip over
15:40 <guru3> did that :/
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> B turns on the parking brake
15:40 <Lucifer_arma> don't do that unless you've stopped!
15:40 <guru3> how do you turn engine on/off?
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> there's a button for it
15:41 * wrtlprnft just blames philippeqc for the fact that the map doesn't work
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> you can see it if you zoom out
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you right click again (after getting to the cross-hair pointer), you can move the camera around
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> so you can look around and see more stuff on the panel in front of you :)
15:41 <wrtlprnft> did that in the boeing
15:41 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit panel just disappears
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and you can look into the hollow back of the place
15:42 <wrtlprnft> *plane
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably one of those 2d ones
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> the cessna has pretty good detail in it
15:42 <wrtlprnft> there's like 10 cessenas
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> the default cessna :)
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> I kinda like the piper
15:43 <guru3> woo
15:43 <guru3> landeded
15:43 <guru3> about 20 feet in front of the airport ><
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> --aircraft=pa28-161
15:44 <guru3> note:
15:44 <guru3> you can fall thru airports
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> ?
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't fallen through a ground yet
15:45 <guru3> it's more like
15:45 <guru3> you go into the building
15:45 <guru3> and get tossed around
15:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: any clue about the zone thing?
15:48 <guru3> moral of story:
15:48 <guru3> don't fly in plane with me
15:48 <philippeqc> still looking
15:49 <wrtlprnft> guru3: I'll only fly in a plane with you if you're far away from the cockpit
15:50 <guru3> lol
15:51 <wrtlprnft> or sitting on the wing
15:51 <wrtlprnft> ;)
15:51 <guru3> just like a gremlin? :D
15:53 <wrtlprnft> the you have to measure the time you can sit on the wing of a boeing-747 in less than milliseconds
15:53 <wrtlprnft> if it
15:53 <wrtlprnft> 's flying, that is
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm heading east over the mountains now
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> I just don't find the Bay area all that interesting to fly in
15:54 <DrJoeTron> i'll let you fly my rubber band plane guru3
15:54 <DrJoeTron> just dont break the rubber band
15:54 <DrJoeTron> or get it stuck on the roof
15:54 <guru3> lol
15:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: when will you write the flight simulator hack for arma?
15:54 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh boy, I just went over the cloud layer
15:55 <DrJoeTron> il be back
15:55 <guru3> done with that now ><
15:57 <Lucifer_arma> turbulent, I'm getting knocked around a bit
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> how high can a piper go?
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> I hit a cow, I'm so dead
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> don't try to land in a dairy farm!
16:15 <wrtlprnft> o
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16:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 52 times.
16:21 <wrtlprnft> For example, like this: * spidey beats x-chat with a big ass stick
16:21 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 35 times.
16:21 <wrtlprnft> haha
16:21 <wrtlprnft> he beat Lucifer_arma and me
16:22 -!- You're now known as spideySlapper
16:22 * spideySlapper slaps spidey
16:22 * spideySlapper punches spidey
16:22 * spideySlapper stabs spidey
16:22 * spideySlapper slaps spidey again
16:22 * spideySlapper punches spidey again
16:22 * spideySlapper stabs spidey again
16:22 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
16:27 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as SpideyComforter
16:27 <SpideyComforter> awwww spidey
16:27 <SpideyComforter> are you alright?
16:27 <SpideyComforter> pooor thing
16:28 -!- SpideyComforter is now known as DrJoeTron
16:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:31 <spidey> ?
16:31 <DrJoeTron> i need to turn the a/c on in this house
16:31 <DrJoeTron> my pc isnt liking it
16:31 <DrJoeTron> stupid athlon xp's demanding to be cold
16:35 * spidey beats wrtlprnft
16:35 * spidey stabs wrtlprnft with a coke bottle
16:35 * spidey murders wrtlprnft
16:37 <spidey> Fluffy was tight-lipped, too, averaging 15.7 characters.
16:37 <spidey> O.o
16:37 <DrJoeTron> buh?
16:39 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with think
16:39 <armabot> spidey: [17:21:13] <spidey> i think lobster cage smells like prawn poo
16:39 <spidey> ;x
16:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: come stab/slap/punch spidey a bit more for the stats!
16:40 <spidey> spidey wasn't very popular, getting kicked 3 times!
16:40 <spidey> For example, like this:
16:40 <spidey> *** spidey was kicked by guru3
16:40 <spidey> :/
16:40 <wrtlprnft> good thing
16:41 * DrJoeTron drop kicks spidey
16:41 * DrJoeTron bites spidey
16:41 * DrJoeTron slaps spidey
16:41 * DrJoeTron punches spidey
16:41 <wrtlprnft> very good
16:42 * DrJoeTron head butts spidey
16:42 <spidey> !
16:42 * DrJoeTron bodyslams spidey
16:42 * Lucifer_arma rips spidey into little bits and pieces and eat's 'em
16:42 <spidey> haha
16:42 * DrJoeTron savage whales on spideys body
16:42 * spidey smacks Lucifer_arma
16:42 * DrJoeTron with a whale
16:42 * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
16:42 <spidey> looky there :p
16:44 <spidey> armabot didn't make the most active?
16:44 <wrtlprnft> i think guru3 blocked armabot from the stat script
16:44 <spidey> lol
16:44 <wrtlprnft> it isn't even on it anywhere
16:44 <spidey> armabot` seems to be sad at the moment: 10.5% lines contained sad faces. :(
16:45 <spidey> Luci_Bot is also a sad person, crying 10.4% of the time.
16:45 <wrtlprnft> and she said more than 243 lines
16:46 <spidey> deja_vu_,
16:49 <wrtlprnft> my stonehenge map/zone problem seems to be a tricky one if philippeqc is still working on it :(
16:49 <philippeqc> philippeqc was busy putting his code into a working state. I started some modifications.
16:49 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:49 <wrtlprnft> if it works, commit it :)
16:50 <philippeqc> but now I realise that the prob with tSafePTR occurs here too with DEBUGLEVEL=3 and --disable-glout
16:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't set debuglevel on the server
16:50 <philippeqc> trying with DL=1 and --disable-glout
16:50 <philippeqc> I want it so I can debug it
16:50 <wrtlprnft> ie it is 0
16:50 <wrtlprnft> it's laggy enough on my server already with the stonehenge map :)
16:51 * wrtlprnft was just saying that DEBUGLEVEL=0 also triggers the problem
16:52 <philippeqc> dl=1 is ok
17:11 <DrJoeTron> blarg
17:12 <deja_vu_> spidey:
17:12 * DrJoeTron coolerspidey
17:12 <DrJoeTron> <---
17:12 <DrJoeTron> in fact
17:12 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as coolerspidey
17:12 <coolerspidey> hey
17:12 <coolerspidey> im cooler
17:13 -!- coolerspidey is now known as DrJoeTron
17:16 <spidey> deja_vu_,
17:16 <deja_vu_> spidey:
17:16 <spidey> deja_vu_,
17:16 <deja_vu_> spidey:
17:17 <spidey> i know you love me and all,but you're screamming the wrong name
17:17 <deja_vu_> really?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> http://www.royalsapien.com/pop1/ <-- o_O
17:21 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I've made some modification to the game, and now I cant reproduce the bug
17:21 <philippeqc> I'll consider that a good thing
17:22 <philippeqc> I did all the zones, with the bots help, twice
17:28 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5832 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added Color element to map. Changed how zZoneInfluence are parsed and applied
17:38 <philippeqc> i consider this bug closed
17:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: btw, now the zones's rotation is preserved, and I've fixed a bug about reading the wrong value from the map, so you should be able to control taht
17:40 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: pong
17:40 <philippeqc> yes
17:40 <philippeqc> hi luke-jr_
17:40 <luke-jr_> hi
17:40 <philippeqc> could we get the right to upload dtd on the res repo?
17:41 <philippeqc> that was the question I wanted to ask sooner today, and then I read the post on the forum
17:41 <luke-jr_> ah
17:42 <philippeqc> so?
17:43 <luke-jr_> I haven't read the forum yet today
17:43 <luke-jr_> ;)
17:44 <philippeqc> t'was you who started the question
17:51 <luke-jr_> yeah
17:52 * wrtlprnft is updating his server
17:52 <philippeqc> everybody agrees that allowing people to post new dtd is a good thing
17:52 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: I'm curious, who wanted to post a new dtd and what did it offer?
17:53 <luke-jr_> not everybody has replied ;p
17:53 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: Your_mom wanted to add a _pig DTD
17:53 <philippeqc> neat
17:53 <luke-jr_> map
17:55 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: in that example formula...
17:55 <luke-jr_> 1k*4 + 2 or whatever
17:55 <luke-jr_> what did you expect "2k" to be?
17:55 <philippeqc> k1 = constant 1
17:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:56 <luke-jr_> eh?
17:56 <philippeqc> k0 +k1*x + k2*x^2 + .. kn*x^n
17:56 <philippeqc> k0 +k1*x + k2*x^2 + k3*x^3 + ... + kn*x^n
17:57 <philippeqc> some constant number, like 3, 999999999, or 1.2
17:57 <luke-jr_> wtf?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> k0 +k1*x + k2*x^2 + k3*x^3 + k4*x^4 + .... + kn*x^n
17:57 <luke-jr_> you're saying you want a summation op?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> nonono
17:58 <wrtlprnft> k1 is just a name for a variable
17:58 <wrtlprnft> or constant
17:58 <philippeqc> 1 +2*x^2 + 3*x^3 + 4*x^4 ...
17:58 <luke-jr_> o
17:58 * wrtlprnft should shut up, he doesn't know what you're talking about and is preparing for supper anyways
18:00 <philippeqc> luke, I think you will be able to get faster results with this: http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html
18:01 <philippeqc> as i flabbergasted to wrt, it support differentiation!
18:01 <luke-jr_> k0 + sum n in [1..n] (k[n] * x) ^ n
18:02 <philippeqc> nonononono
18:02 <philippeqc> sum n in [0 .. n] (k[n] * (x^n))
18:03 <philippeqc> x^n has precedence
18:03 <luke-jr_> hm
18:04 <luke-jr_> is 'sum n in [0..n] (...)' the best syntax I wonder
18:04 <philippeqc> no its not
18:04 <philippeqc> k0 +k1*x + k2*x^2 + k3*x^3 + ... + kn*x^n
18:04 <philippeqc> that is the best
18:05 <philippeqc> for m: 0<= m < n, k[m] can be 0
18:06 <luke-jr_> why is k0 not *x?
18:06 <philippeqc> that is k1
18:06 <luke-jr_> why not k0 too?
18:06 <philippeqc> k1 * x^1
18:06 <philippeqc> k0 * x^0
18:07 <luke-jr_> o lol
18:07 <luke-jr_> heh
18:07 <philippeqc> x^0 == 1
18:07 <luke-jr_> that first syntax seems impractical tos support
18:07 <philippeqc> hu! why?
18:07 <luke-jr_> maybe sum(for n in [0..n] (k[n] * x ^ n))
18:08 <philippeqc> 1 + x^2 + 7 shoud be as valid as 1 + 1*x^2 + 7
18:08 <luke-jr_> um
18:08 <luke-jr_> the parser would need to notice that n is a counting variable
18:08 <philippeqc> how the heck to you expect me to define k[n] for all the thing?
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18:08 <philippeqc> and you are taking a detour
18:08 <luke-jr_> I don't know, how do you expect me to define k[n]? =p
18:08 <philippeqc> its just a notation. I want to support polynomes
18:09 <luke-jr_> ?
18:09 <philippeqc> I want trig functions
18:09 <luke-jr_> sin(), cos(), etc
18:09 <philippeqc> yes
18:09 <luke-jr_> is k0 etc just variables?
18:09 <philippeqc> 3*sin(t) + 4*x^2
18:10 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: its just a notation, and your getting your feet stuck in the flowers drawn on the carpet
18:10 <philippeqc> yes, k0 is just a constant number
18:10 <luke-jr_> so k0 is really 0
18:10 <philippeqc> nooooooooooooooooooo
18:10 <wrtlprnft> see it like that
18:10 <wrtlprnft> k is a constant array of numbers
18:11 <wrtlprnft> k[0] is the first element, aka k0
18:11 <philippeqc> ok, start from scratch: I want support for the following:
18:11 <luke-jr_> ok
18:11 <philippeqc> 7 + 2*x + 3*x^2 + 18 + x^7 + 3*sin(t*2)
18:11 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: ok. should work if you define x and t ;)
18:11 <philippeqc> and yes I know there are 2 values that arent multipled by x^m
18:12 <philippeqc> yes
18:12 <philippeqc> but I assume you will have some variable hookups, and these will be representing those
18:12 <philippeqc> anyway
18:12 <philippeqc> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html
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18:13 <wrtlprnft> oh no
18:13 <wrtlprnft> one more math/physics fanatic ;)
18:13 <philippeqc> hail z-man, may those who diss your name die of anal cancer
18:13 <z-man> whoot, who's dissing me?
18:14 <philippeqc> dont know, but I sure whish them some lower back cancer
18:14 <philippeqc> wish
18:14 <philippeqc> ;)
18:14 <philippeqc> darn, I should have take the "its wrtlprnft, he's been going at it all day long" approach
18:14 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's chatlogs
18:15 <wrtlprnft> at least 3 independent ones
18:15 <philippeqc> yes, but you hacked them
18:15 <philippeqc> to remove the evidence
18:15 <philippeqc> your that good
18:15 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:17 <spidey> i saw it!
18:18 <philippeqc> see, i have a witness
18:18 <wrtlprnft> me too!
18:18 <wrtlprnft> i saw it too!
18:19 <wrtlprnft> argh! why does my lower back hurt so much?
18:20 <philippeqc> my gipsy powers are growing in stength
18:21 <wrtlprnft> anyways, my hide and seek server is back up
18:21 <wrtlprnft> still called "stonehenge hide and seek zones!"
18:21 <wrtlprnft> play on it as long as you can!
18:21 <philippeqc> how come the function sg_Respawn isnt called anywhere in the code, not even in comments?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> aww no it isn't
18:22 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig port
18:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: BOOKMARK_0_PORT: Server port of the 1st server bookmark || BOOKMARK_10_PORT: Server port of the 11th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_1_PORT: Server port of the 2nd server bookmark || BOOKMARK_2_PORT: Server port of the 3rd server bookmark || BOOKMARK_3_PORT: Server port of the 4th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_4_PORT: Server port of the 5th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_5_PORT: (2 more messages)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> ...
18:22 <wrtlprnft> #more
18:22 <wrtlprnft> #more
18:22 <philippeqc> I'm looking to make the effect "respawn", and I got curious
18:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Server port of the 6th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_6_PORT: Server port of the 7th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_7_PORT: Server port of the 8th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_8_PORT: Server port of the 9th server bookmark || BOOKMARK_9_PORT: Server port of the 10th server bookmark || CLIENT_PORT: Port we try to connect to || SERVER_PORT: Port this server listens on || (1 more message)
18:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: VIEWPORT_CONF: Viewport configuration; decides how many players can play on this computer || VIEWPORT_TO_PLAYER_1: Assign this viewport to a player || VIEWPORT_TO_PLAYER_2: Assign this viewport to a player || VIEWPORT_TO_PLAYER_3: Assign this viewport to a player || VIEWPORT_TO_PLAYER_4: Assign this viewport to a player
18:22 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: it is if you -D RESPAWN_HACK
18:22 <wrtlprnft> server_port
18:23 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it's running!
18:23 <wrtlprnft> or still not
18:24 <wrtlprnft> darn web server
18:25 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: no thats the definition, but nothing calls that function
18:25 <philippeqc> sorry luke
18:26 <philippeqc> yes you are right
18:26 <philippeqc> my bad, confused the call with the declaration
18:26 <philippeqc> thanks for pointing it out
18:26 <wrtlprnft> i hate the webserver, it screws me up
18:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: armagetronad should not abort if the webserver can't listen to the port it wants to
18:29 <wrtlprnft> and then it seems you can't even change the port it listens on in another file
18:29 <wrtlprnft> the settings_web.cfg gets overwritten
18:29 <wrtlprnft> great
18:31 <wrtlprnft> can't get it to bind to some other port :(
18:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: want me to host?
18:31 <wrtlprnft> no
18:32 <wrtlprnft> i want this darn thing to shut up
18:32 <philippeqc> oki
18:33 * wrtlprnft just commented out most of uWebInterface.cfg
18:34 * wrtlprnft thinks the web interface should be opt- in anyways
18:34 <spidey> well guys,it's been fun...but this post is because i'm leaving the clan, i'll still be around,might choose another name and start over,haven't decided...as far as clans,mbc is by far the best as far as people/the way it's run so i won't be joining another,at most i'll start my own,but i doubt it.....have fun and take care :)
18:34 <wrtlprnft> from you?
18:34 <spidey> http://www.microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=95744#95744
18:34 <spidey> ya
18:35 <wrtlprnft> i guess i'll stay. It's been the first server i really played on and it's a nice bunch of people, so no reason to leave
18:36 <spidey> first server i played on to
18:36 <spidey> and i got accepted 2 days after starting to play tron
18:36 <philippeqc> our forum really have an anti clan mentality ;)
18:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: could we make the web interface opt-in? Few people use it and it's screwing me up all the time
18:36 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's one reason to be in a clan
18:36 <wrtlprnft> to annoy them
18:36 <spidey> but i get bored on servers with more than 10 rubber
18:37 <spidey> and i never really play there
18:37 <philippeqc> counter productive
18:37 <philippeqc> what does it server to be in a clan?
18:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont have a problem with clans
18:37 <philippeqc> you go to a server, get to a team and play. clan people can be on either side
18:37 <DrJoeTron> its the people who are associated with them
18:37 <spidey> though i was a vetern,so i could have the rules bent for me,but...;x
18:37 <philippeqc> I dotn say I have a prob, i just dont see the point
18:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont either
18:38 <DrJoeTron> if anything
18:38 <DrJoeTron> clans are supposed to be a group of friends
18:38 <DrJoeTron> not "super 1337 players who think they are rad because they bound color commands to talk in color and have 12 turn keys
18:38 <wrtlprnft> my server is up, finally
18:38 <wrtlprnft> #last --with seek
18:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:22:08] <wrtlprnft> still called "stonehenge hide and seek zones!"
18:39 <DrJoeTron> do i need 2.8.2?
18:39 <spidey> i used to have 23 turn keys
18:39 <spidey> ;x
18:39 <philippeqc> in the function name sg_Respawn, the does sp mean?
18:39 <spidey> man could i hump a wall then
18:40 <DrJoeTron> i remember when we used anything above 6 rubber as a gimmick
18:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: no
18:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: or, yes
18:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: sec, will fix it so you don't
18:41 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: sg_Respawn means src/tron
18:41 <DrJoeTron> haha thanks
18:41 <philippeqc> o ok
18:41 <wrtlprnft> sg because t is already taken for tools
18:41 <philippeqc> oki
18:41 <philippeqc> I know g for game ie str/tron
18:42 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: should let you in now
18:42 <DrJoeTron> alright thanks :)
18:42 <philippeqc> on stonehedge!
18:52 <wrtlprnft> #echo test
18:52 <armabot> test
18:52 <wrtlprnft> disconnected
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18:54 <|CruZ|> hi
18:55 <DrJoeTron> hey there
18:55 <|CruZ|> where can i get the actual fortress settings?
18:56 <spidey> examples/cvs_test/fortress_complete.cfg ?
18:56 <|CruZ|> k thx
18:56 <DrJoeTron> yeah arent they included?
18:56 <|CruZ|> didn't know i these included ones are the newest
18:57 <DrJoeTron> i dont think theve really changed
18:57 <|CruZ|> hm i geared about a few bugs being fixed :/
18:57 <|CruZ|> heared
18:59 * groundpig is a sucker for crumpets with butter and cottage cheese
18:59 <spidey> haha
19:00 * DrJoeTron is a sucker for butter period
19:00 <groundpig> in a bowl over a flame with a shellfish nearby?
19:00 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
19:01 <groundpig> i think the only non-cannabilistic tron player here is spidey
19:01 <spidey> ?
19:01 <groundpig> unless you eat spiders
19:01 <spidey> O.o
19:01 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
19:01 <DrJoeTron> what about wrtl
19:02 <DrJoeTron> can you eat wrtlprnfts?
19:02 <groundpig> i should say the only animal themed tron player
19:02 <DrJoeTron> haha
19:02 <DrJoeTron> there we go
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19:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: mod on your stonehedge map: 1 zone per player, but when one it touched, they all move (same monitor)
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19:20 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: what do you mean by opt-in on the web interface?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> clans wouldn't be so annoying if people in them didn't behave so elitist-ly
19:26 <spidey> lahl
19:26 <spidey> if i didn't decide to bring my soldat clan in tron,it wouldn't be run like half these other clans >.<
19:26 <spidey> s/didn't/did
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> it would be run half as well?
19:28 <spidey> :/
19:28 <spidey> no!
19:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: disable it by default
19:33 <wrtlprnft> and only enable it per config
19:33 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: how do i assign a zone to every player?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> i can only have fixed names
19:33 <philippeqc> ownership
19:34 <philippeqc> make it that only a single player can activate a give zone
19:34 <philippeqc> but they all trigger the same monitor
19:34 <wrtlprnft> how do i address that single player?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> i only know that you can by name
19:34 <philippeqc> and it changes all their position to position[index++]
19:34 <philippeqc> well that is the hack of the moment
19:34 <wrtlprnft> i don't like that hack :P
19:35 <philippeqc> Pray for Joda to come back
19:35 <wrtlprnft> can you fix the color thing?
19:35 <philippeqc> I'll look into it
19:35 <philippeqc> I'm still trying to respawn players from zone ;)
19:35 <wrtlprnft> i'd like the zones to have different colors
19:37 <philippeqc> <Color red="" green="" blue="" /> in the ZoneMonitor if you meant at each change, otherwise give a different color to each zone and they will keep it
19:37 <wrtlprnft> that
19:37 <wrtlprnft> 's what i'm doing already
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i kept your hot pink
19:37 <philippeqc> yeah but there is a new bug now
19:38 <wrtlprnft> :S
19:38 <philippeqc> well it seems
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20:08 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:09 <wrtlprnft> new map, would be better with differently colored zones
20:10 <philippeqc> how to define static function (not methods)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:10 <philippeqc> a static function
20:10 <wrtlprnft> static void foo(args) {
20:11 <philippeqc> in the .h, can I just declare it and then define it else where
20:11 <wrtlprnft> aaah
20:11 <wrtlprnft> just replace the {} by ;
20:11 <philippeqc> or the fact that they are static mean they need to be fully accessible from the .h
20:12 <wrtlprnft> header:
20:12 <wrtlprnft> void foo(int arg);
20:12 <wrtlprnft> .cpp:
20:12 <wrtlprnft> void foo(int arg) {
20:12 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << arg << std::endl;
20:12 <wrtlprnft> }
20:12 <philippeqc> wtf are static functions
20:12 <wrtlprnft> they probably don't even exist
20:13 <wrtlprnft> oh, they do
20:13 <wrtlprnft> a static function isn't accessible from other files
20:13 <philippeqc> Arrggggggggggggggggg
20:13 <wrtlprnft> so both files can have a function with the same name and args
20:13 <philippeqc> pukes out at the choice of static to describe THAT
20:14 <wrtlprnft> heh
20:14 <wrtlprnft> static has two meanings
20:14 <wrtlprnft> actually, three
20:14 <wrtlprnft> inside classes it means the variable/function is independent of the instance
20:15 <wrtlprnft> for function definitions and global variables it means it isn't available from the outside
20:15 <wrtlprnft> for variable definitions inside functions it means the variable doesn't get deleted after the function finishes
20:15 <philippeqc> knew the first, learned the second from you.
20:16 <philippeqc> yep, that was the first meaning I learned
20:16 <wrtlprnft> virtual has two meanings too :S
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: well, I'd rather not disable it by default, but....
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> it can't be disabled at all right now. :) After it can be disabled (which is planned no matter what), we can fight over the default
20:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: or make it not stop arma if it can't bind the port
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> why can't it bind the port?
20:17 * Lucifer_arma notes that there's a bug entry for that already
20:17 <wrtlprnft> because another server is already running
20:17 <wrtlprnft> and already bound the same port
20:17 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that would be the bug entry
20:18 <wrtlprnft> it's assigned to you, i hope
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is :)
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> here, I'll take a look at it right now, but I need to take a nap pretty soon
20:18 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:18 <wrtlprnft> thanks
20:18 <wrtlprnft> though it won't get fixed in philippeqc's branch
20:19 <wrtlprnft> i hope philippeqc will get it to regain the old functionality soon and merge it back to the trunk
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> aha, WEB_USE_INTERNAL 0 should disable it
20:19 <philippeqc> humm yeah, I should merge soon. it is quite stable now
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I through that in there right before 0.3.0
20:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
20:20 <wrtlprnft> if that works I'm happy
20:20 <wrtlprnft> my current solution was to just comment out half of uWebInterface.cpp
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, if it doesn't work it's still a bug, because that's clearly what it's supposed to do
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> :)
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> you can't do it in the console, though, you have to do it in the config file
20:22 <wrtlprnft> i didn't try it
20:22 <wrtlprnft> i will next time
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> also, web_settings.cfg is obsolete, it's only there for reference
20:22 <Lucifer_arma> you're supposed to put web server settings in server_info.cfg, if that doesn't work, it's a bug :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'll go make sure the bug entry is closed with a comment, you can reopen it later if you need to
20:23 <wrtlprnft> k
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> also, in the future, I've been prefixing web server settings with WEB, and it's integrated with arma's own config system now (didn't used to be), so you can put "WEB" in your console to see available settings, should you decide to use it
20:24 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, it should still try the next port up if it fails to bind to the port it's set to bind to
20:26 <spidey> O.o
20:26 * spidey thinks z-man is mad at ady-lucifer
20:26 <Vanhayes> why?
20:27 <spidey> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
20:27 * wrtlprnft thinks that would be a good thin
20:27 <wrtlprnft> g
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20:31 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: if i run your map previewer from SVN locally it only produces blank images...
20:32 <wrtlprnft> i have ruby and rmagick installed
20:32 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ruby --version ~/armagetronad3/spam/build2
20:32 <wrtlprnft> ruby 1.8.4 (2005-12-24) [i686-linux]
20:33 * [Xpert]DarkStar regrets doing emerge -e world
20:33 <nemostultae> Did you read the BUGS section in the README?
20:34 <nemostultae> Your map probably has non (0, 0) min bounds
20:34 <wrtlprnft> aaaah
20:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it does
20:34 <wrtlprnft> (0,0) is the centre, the map is mostly symmetric
20:34 <wrtlprnft> guess I'll have to upgrade. Sorry for bugging you
20:35 <nemostultae> No upgrade yet, the patch is the only solution at the time. :(
20:35 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:35 <nemostultae> I was thinking of including a patched version of that file.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm
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20:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna patch system files, i'll just use the online version
20:36 <wrtlprnft> although my stonehenge map probably kept your server busy
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it took like 5 seconds for it to parse my map
20:36 <wrtlprnft> and that veeery many times as i used it for building the map
20:36 <nemostultae> That is still the old version, it parses very slowly.
20:36 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: connect to my server and tell me the color of the zone
20:36 <wrtlprnft> kk
20:36 <philippeqc> its hot pink for me
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, can't close the bug because it's specifically about running multiple instances even if your problem and that problem have the same root source
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> nemostultae: what about gdlib?
20:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yeah, the respawn is quite strange, mostly that it only kills you once
20:39 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: *hack* can't you just add (10000,10000) to all coordinates?
20:41 <nemostultae> Hold on, let me just include the patched file. :S
20:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:42 <wrtlprnft> nice ideas eh?
20:42 <wrtlprnft> one says you should use another library, another one suggests you should use a very dirty hack...
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20:45 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, actually, what he *should*, imo, is add errr, I forgot already
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> 0-minX
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's it. 0-minX to all coordinates. er, wait
20:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:45 <wrtlprnft> but that means he has to find out minX
20:46 <wrtlprnft> and i think he wants the library to do that for him
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's maxX - minX
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> er
20:46 <wrtlprnft> add (minX, minY) too all coordinates
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe, I don't know. He's vectorizing it. I'm just saying "do the same math you needed to do when it was pixels"
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can't do that, because if minX is negative, it'll shift it
20:46 <wrtlprnft> so?
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> and you get minX by first scanning all the coordinates, you pull out both minX and minY
20:47 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, if minX is negative, it will shift everything ot the left, and what you want is a right-hand shift
20:47 <wrtlprnft> ?!
20:47 <wrtlprnft> if minx is -5
20:47 <wrtlprnft> and you have a coordinate x=-2
20:47 <wrtlprnft> then you do -5 + (-2)
20:48 <wrtlprnft> err
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> which is -7
20:48 <wrtlprnft> then you do -2 + (-5)
20:48 <wrtlprnft> you get 3
20:48 <wrtlprnft> which is positive
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, you still get -7
20:48 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:48 <wrtlprnft> subtract i mean
20:48 <wrtlprnft> sorry
20:48 <wrtlprnft> #g -2 - (-5)
20:48 <armabot> -2 - -5 = 3
20:48 <spidey> http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/archive/magentic-computers220606.html
20:48 <spidey> anyone want a computer 500 times faster?
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, subtracting looks right
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> so if minX is positive, you shift left, and if minX is negative you shift right
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> same with minY
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> only left is down and up is right :)
20:49 * Lucifer_arma is sleepy
20:49 * Lucifer_arma just told his client he wants more hours so he can buy a plane :)
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5833 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (7 files in 3 dirs): new effect spawnplayer
20:50 <wrtlprnft> does that also fix the zone colours philippeqc
20:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> if it does, it doesn't say so in the commit message! ;)
20:50 <philippeqc> I cant recreate the problem with that server
20:50 <philippeqc> I get them hot pink
20:50 <wrtlprnft> even not if you use my map?
20:50 * Lucifer_arma wishes he'd bookmarked the commit message he read that included complete API docs for the commit
20:50 <philippeqc> but the format of map is now updated
20:51 <philippeqc> I'll try it with yours
20:51 <wrtlprnft> it's -0.0.3 now
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5834 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added patched rvg/stretchable.rb. Load it if using a buggy RMagick.
20:52 <philippeqc> I might have overwritten it, manipulated it soo much
20:52 <philippeqc> ;)
20:52 <wrtlprnft> http://arma.wrtlprnft.de/resource/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.3.aamap.xml
20:52 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: thanks
20:52 <philippeqc> ty
20:52 <nemostultae> Not sure if it will work :o
20:52 <nemostultae> I didn't test it.
20:53 <wrtlprnft> err
20:53 <wrtlprnft> http://arma.wrtlprnft.de/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.3.aamap.xml
20:53 * wrtlprnft got used to the extra resoucre/ from luke-jr_'s server
20:54 <spidey> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060713-7257.html
20:54 <spidey> the iraa got owned by some mom
20:54 <spidey> ;x
20:55 <nemostultae> hmm, nope, didn't work.
20:55 <wrtlprnft> no, it didn't
20:55 <wrtlprnft> still an empty picture
20:56 <wrtlprnft> actually, who's manuel on our project? is that an old version of z-man?
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> that is z-man
20:57 <wrtlprnft> just wondering
21:00 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5835 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Try again... Load patched stretchable.
21:01 * nemostultae gives up for awhile... didn't work either.
21:02 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i have an array of std::pair<tString, tValue::Callback<cCockpit>::cb_ptr>. The mem manager complains about a memory leak there. Maybe a bug with the mem manager?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> i mean, the global array should delete itself, right?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> (tValue::Callback<cCockpit>::cb_ptr is a typedef for a function pointer)
21:04 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: do you know anything about when a fixed version will be released? Bug tracker?
21:06 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, global arrays (static?) should get auto-deleted
21:06 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: are they hot pink or white in local game?
21:06 <z-man> just file a bug entry and commit anyway, I'll look at it later.
21:07 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: they have correct colors in local game, yes
21:08 <philippeqc> but in lan game (with new version) they are ok
21:08 <wrtlprnft> it got committed loong ago, it is in 0.3
21:08 <philippeqc> <ShapeCircle radius="15">
21:08 <philippeqc> <Point x="92" y="493"/>
21:08 <philippeqc> <Color red="0.988" green="0.059" blue="0.753"/>
21:08 <philippeqc> </ShapeCircle>
21:08 <philippeqc> write them like that for the new dtd
21:08 <wrtlprnft> i didn't notice because i had particles enabled at that time, so i got used to ignoring memmanager nessages
21:08 <philippeqc> its point then color
21:09 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:09 <philippeqc> its in svn
21:09 <philippeqc> and it work for me (local + lan) and you (internet)
21:09 <philippeqc> you'll need to re-publish the dtd too
21:10 <wrtlprnft> i know
21:10 <philippeqc> just making you ;)
21:11 <philippeqc> ???
21:11 <philippeqc> just making sure you dont miss a thing ;)
21:11 <wrtlprnft> wait, gotta mess around with the memory "leak" first
21:11 <philippeqc> got dropped packet from brain to fingers
21:11 <philippeqc> ok
21:11 <philippeqc> np
21:20 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5836 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): stretchable-patched should now be loaded on buggy Rmagick versions.
21:20 <nemostultae> wrtlprnft: should work now.
21:21 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: i'll try in a minute
21:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1529218&group_id=110997&atid=657948 <-- can't assign this to you it seems
21:28 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: still an empty image :(
21:29 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ bin/map-preview stonehenge-0.0.3.aamap.xml && kuickshow previews/stonehenge-0.0.3.aamap.xml.png
21:29 <nemostultae> Can you send me the map? I just tried with a clean Rmagick install (not patched).
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #last --with http
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:27:39] <wrtlprnft> z-man: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1529218&group_id=110997&atid=657948 <-- can't assign this to you it seems
21:30 <wrtlprnft> nooo
21:30 <wrtlprnft> #last --with arma.wr
21:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [13:53:50] <wrtlprnft> http://arma.wrtlprnft.de/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.3.aamap.xml
21:30 <wrtlprnft> that one
21:30 <nemostultae> worked for me :S
21:31 <wrtlprnft> i get an empty image, still
21:31 <wrtlprnft> i did svn update, anything else i need to do?
21:31 * wrtlprnft doesn't know a bit about ruby
21:31 <nemostultae> No, should just work. What Is your RMagick version?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> sec
21:31 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] dev-ruby/rmagick-1.9.3-r1 USE="-examples" 0 kB
21:32 <wrtlprnft> portage would have rmagick-1.10.1.ebuild to offer
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> man, landing on the colorado river in a plane tht doesn't have floats kind of breaks up the magic
21:33 <wrtlprnft> land using santa
21:33 <wrtlprnft> drown the poor guy
21:33 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: currently making the new version of your zone branch
21:34 <philippeqc> ok
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5837 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/renderer.rb: always use patched strechable. VersionNumber is broken.
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21:35 <wrtlprnft> trying again...
21:35 <wrtlprnft> yay
21:35 <wrtlprnft> works, thanks
21:36 <nemostultae> yw
21:37 <wrtlprnft> now i can have an image of my map at 1100x1100px and use it to position zones
21:38 <wrtlprnft> so i can use an image editor to extract coordinates, just need to subtract 550
21:40 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: still white zones :(
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21:40 <philippeqc> respawn are only possible as long as the camera hasnt started tracking someone else
21:41 <philippeqc> hummm
21:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [Xpert]BrightHol: lol
21:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> clemens...
21:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
21:41 <DrJoeTron> word
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78091#78091 <---- :)
21:42 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: oh, sorry
21:42 <wrtlprnft> you confused me, I didn't do the DTD thing yet ;)
21:43 <philippeqc> confused you by giving you detailed instructions? ;)
21:43 <wrtlprnft> :P
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21:44 <philippeqc> you should post that map in the discussion about zones
21:44 <philippeqc> I
21:44 <wrtlprnft> the stonehenge map?
21:44 <philippeqc> I'll post my 4 zones one, its a different take onthe same idea
21:44 <philippeqc> yes
21:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: mine has a different implementation ;)
21:44 <wrtlprnft> nothing with putting zones off the grid
21:44 <philippeqc> yes
21:46 <wrtlprnft> do i need to repeat the color tag for every zoneInfluence?
21:46 <spidey> Vanhayes, leeroy and psyko in 1vs1 ;x
21:47 <Vanhayes> ya I know
21:47 <wrtlprnft> at every point i set the position?
21:47 <philippeqc> no, it shouldnt
21:47 <philippeqc> when I ran your map, I only set the color at creation
21:48 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:49 <wrtlprnft> server with the map is running
21:50 <philippeqc> hot pink or white?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> hot pink and green
21:51 <wrtlprnft> and they are turning now :)
21:51 <philippeqc> ;)
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ok, let me put the zones into improved locations
21:51 <spidey> hayes
21:51 <philippeqc> yes, I stopped overwriting all the info, and only send the one in the current ZoneInfluence
21:51 <spidey> look at there pings
21:51 <wrtlprnft> they're their there
21:52 <spidey> leeroy has a ping psyko would have,and psyko has a high ping
21:52 <philippeqc> so if one zoneInfluence change the color, it wont be resetted by another unless you give a <Color>
21:52 <Vanhayes> ya I think leeroy is psyko and psyko is someone else in SP
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21:54 <Marco_> darkie mach dein tag weg, sieht aus wie aus dem qnet
21:54 <Marco_> haha
21:54 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: can i omit the <Radius> tags now, too?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> from ZoneInfluence tags
21:55 <philippeqc> yes
21:55 <wrtlprnft> good
21:55 <philippeqc> only keep what you want to change
21:55 <philippeqc> pink n green
21:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:57 <wrtlprnft> there's a blue one coming too
21:57 <wrtlprnft> smaller and in tricky spots for 3 points
21:58 <philippeqc> o really, neat
21:59 <philippeqc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartreuse_%28color%29
21:59 <philippeqc> check the shades at the bottom
21:59 <philippeqc> I've been using wikipedia to get names of shades of red and blue too
22:00 <philippeqc> I'm sure you can pick an interesting one ;)
22:01 <spidey> Vanhayes, this'll settle it
22:01 <spidey> :>
22:02 <spidey> point proven ;x
22:02 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5838 /tools/map-preview/trunk/lib/map_preview/parser.rb: Parse ObstacleWalls.
22:03 <wrtlprnft> for old maps?
22:03 <nemostultae> yea
22:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: give me a nice blue too :P
22:03 <spidey> Vanhayes, that's a lie,that instant chat was his signature ;x
22:04 <Vanhayes> well that and the move that leeroy was doing, where he goes way out of the zone then doubles back
22:05 <philippeqc> there are a bunch of "shades of x"
22:05 <philippeqc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice-Blue_%28color%29
22:05 <philippeqc> for shades of blue and shades of cyan
22:05 <philippeqc> shades of orange and shades of yellow
22:05 <philippeqc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_%28color%29
22:06 <wrtlprnft> #g 168/255
22:06 <armabot> 168 / 255 = 0.658823529
22:06 <wrtlprnft> #g 107/255
22:06 <armabot> 107 / 255 = 0.419607843
22:06 <philippeqc> shades of red http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alizarin
22:06 <wrtlprnft> very good
22:06 <wrtlprnft> i'll make the last one red then
22:07 <philippeqc> list of colors : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 227/255
22:07 <armabot> 227 / 255 = 0.890196078
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 38/255
22:07 <armabot> 38 / 255 = 0.149019608
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 54/255
22:07 <philippeqc> well you get the idea
22:07 <armabot> 54 / 255 = 0.211764706
22:11 <wrtlprnft> ok, map is done and works, uploading...
22:13 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: map uploaded, server is running, if you like
22:13 <philippeqc> coming
22:17 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
22:23 <DrJoeTron> odoyle rules!
22:23 <makie> hehe
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22:30 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: now you can't tell me anyomre i ignored your post ;)
22:30 <philippeqc> lol
22:30 <philippeqc> nope
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22:31 <philippeqc> 2morrow is more wallpaper work, but in my breaks, I'll try to finish up the selector so they can pick up dead player, so you can bring them back to life ;)
22:31 <philippeqc> brake refill, I'll have a look if I can give more than 100% to a cycle,
22:31 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:32 <philippeqc> right now it sets to 100% direct, but I'd like to just "give x more", so someone who collects a lot can then shoot more. otherwise one has to scale for a maximum, and most designer will do that wrong
22:32 <philippeqc> cya
22:32 <philippeqc> #night
22:32 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: the online map previewer doesn't work anymore :(
22:35 <wrtlprnft> Not Found
22:35 <wrtlprnft> The requested URL /armagetronad/map-preview/preview_map.rhtml was not found on this server.
22:35 <wrtlprnft> just wanted to preview a map for posting it on the forums
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22:35 <nemostultae> refresh the page, I updated it
22:36 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:36 <wrtlprnft> didn't do that because i wanted to keep the old data in it and just re- upload
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23:15 <spidey> erm
23:15 <spidey> well
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5839 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Don't extrapolate cycle movement into the past when determining the front end of walls.
23:16 * spidey forgot his admin pass for the nuke-admin login :/
23:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5840 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Drop wall on rubberless deaths; the current wall gets updated on death, and with
23:17 <armabot> armagetronad: the warped position, this could mean trouble. The actual position of the walls
23:17 <armabot> armagetronad: doesn't matter in the end, they get holed away some commands later.
23:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, z-man: the walls from the future bug even occurs with very short walls (like 0.001 metres), could it be prevented there?
23:17 <wrtlprnft> because on styball people kill each other all the time
23:17 <z-man> on the sty?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> the soccer server
23:18 <z-man> yes, I've been there and seen that :)
23:18 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
23:18 <z-man> Most of the time, I was the killer, so it was fine for me :)
23:18 <wrtlprnft> just to be sure
23:19 <z-man> I'll have to think what part of the code causes it there first
23:19 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:20 <wrtlprnft> is it ok i closed that tab+color codes bug?
23:21 <z-man> If it is fixed to a reasonable level, yes.
23:21 <z-man> It was that one were people with color codes in their names were problematic?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> n
23:22 <wrtlprnft> o
23:22 <wrtlprnft> the one with people who have an instant chat bound to "0x<insertannoyingcolorcodehere>\" and use it instead of the normal chat key
23:23 <z-man> Oh that, yes, sure.
23:23 <wrtlprnft> the other one is fixed as far as i can
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it can get false positives with codes like 0xff0xff<text>
23:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5841 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
23:23 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5817 to 5840:
23:23 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: r5840 | z-man | 2006-07-26 23:17:27 +0200 (Wed, 26 Jul 2006) | 1 line
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: Drop wall on rubberless deaths; the current wall gets updated on death, and with
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: the warped position, this could mean trouble. The actual position of the walls
23:24 <armabot> armagetronad: doesn't matter in the end, they get holed away some commands later.
23:24 <z-man> But mark it "won't fix", not "fixed".
23:24 <wrtlprnft> ie the name won't be hilighted, even if it was possible
23:24 <wrtlprnft> i did
23:24 <z-man> k
23:24 <z-man> bedtime
23:24 <wrtlprnft> good night
23:24 <wrtlprnft> for me too, soon
23:24 <wrtlprnft> omg
23:24 <wrtlprnft> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1507203&group_id=110997&atid=657948
23:24 <wrtlprnft> why are there like 5 comments?!
23:25 <wrtlprnft> i only submitted once
23:26 * wrtlprnft closes the browser window with the buggy and annoying tracker and hopes to not have to use it again soon
23:26 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:26 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:33 <deja_vu_> spidey: lalalaaaa
23:33 <spidey> i'm mad
23:33 <deja_vu_> i want proof of that :P
23:33 * spidey bitch slaps deja_vu_
23:33 <deja_vu_> :(
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Log from 2006-07-27:
--- Day changed Thu Jul 27 2006
01:17 <linuxlizzard> only 1:30 sec :(
01:17 <linuxlizzard> :)
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fucking arma
02:27 <DrJoeTron> is there anything you dont do besides crash?
02:28 <spidey> piss joe off?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yes, it does that admirably
02:28 <spidey> play online?
02:28 <spidey> play local?
02:28 <spidey> play lan?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> nope
02:28 <DrJoeTron> it crashes
02:28 <spidey> maybe it just doesn't like you
02:28 <DrJoeTron> clearly
02:35 <spidey> good!
03:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
03:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: you got X-Files season 4???
04:01 <luke-jr_> spidey: spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey
04:03 <linuxlizzard> I'm sure bittorent does ;)
04:05 <linuxlizzard> if thats what you mean
04:10 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
04:19 <linuxlizzard> cyas later
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04:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how about you?
04:52 <spidey> mm
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06:42 <Your_mom_arma> is groundpig here?
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/s-soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> take out the s- and put that on the server in Your_mom/clever
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> and just change the map_file stuff to 2.0 instead of 1.2
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07:09 <Your_mom_arma> hey z-man and deja_vu
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07:09 <z-man> morning
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07:17 <Lizz> hi
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:18 <Lizz> hiya yma
07:18 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i am, now
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> change the map_file stuff to 0.2.0 first, leave everything the same but the version number
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07:22 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPXFptzQRY
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
07:22 <DrJoeTron> yo
07:23 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: camps
07:23 <deja_vu_> hey Your_mom_arma
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> camps?
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07:24 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma goes in the other team's goal
07:24 <groundpig> i'm sure it was an assident though
07:25 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml)
07:25 <Your_mom_arma> that takes out the zones clientside
07:26 <groundpig> ouch
07:27 <groundpig> so i don't want to put this on my server?
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> then download http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/s-soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml and rename it to soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml and put it in Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml on the server
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> that way the client doesnt need the dtd but the client will still have the zones
07:29 <groundpig> the client would have the zones no matter what, its server side
07:29 <groundpig> but yes, it would not need the dtd
07:30 <Your_mom_arma> also 2.0 has 3 zones per goal to fill out the map
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07:31 <groundpig> hehe, i'd better make sure my code supports that
07:35 <wrtlprnft> i prefer giving the client the DTD... makes it easy to update the map. You can't use luke-jr_'s repository then, of course
07:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what? --> 04:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how about you?
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> well at least this waay luke can't complain which is pretty much why i did this
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> way*
07:37 <groundpig> can i complain?
07:38 <groundpig> i can't :B<
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> yeah, its a free country
07:38 <groundpig> oh i can :B>
07:38 <groundpig> do the can can, do the pig :B)
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:39 <wrtlprnft> you are caring if luke-jr_ complains?
07:40 <Your_mom_arma> because i dont feel like reading long winded posts about how i did something wrong?
07:41 <groundpig> i didn't see anything negative in the dtd post
07:41 <wrtlprnft> the repository just doesn't support it yet
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> <insert long-winded post about not worrying if luke-jr_ complains>
07:44 <groundpig> hmm 3 goals on side and 4 on the other?
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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08:01 <Lucifer_arma> if God didn't want us to eat pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!
08:04 <z-man> Anyone know how the spain-russia match went?
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08:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's not posted on their website yet
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: the more I play flightgear, the more I like plib :)
08:20 <wrtlprnft> keep the font, the plib font system sucks and doesn't seem to support non- ASCII characters
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78191#78191
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> even though Jonathan poo-pooed it, I still think it looks good :)
08:26 <wrtlprnft> the plane with the reflection effect is OK, the ground doesn't have any detail
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> the ground in the foreground isn't terribly good, the sun, clouds, and the ground in the background are all very nice
08:27 <wrtlprnft> so you want a sun in arma?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> actually, yes
08:27 <wrtlprnft> it's computer world, for heaven's sake. Tron!
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> in the Hell moviepack I haven't finished, there's supposed to be a sun
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, think less about "sun" and more about "cool lighting effects"
08:28 <wrtlprnft> my GPU isn't good enough for that, so don't expect me to implement it
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09:52 <DrJoeTron> :/
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10:36 <DrJoeTron> operation defragmentation :D
10:39 <deja_vu> :O
10:47 <philippeqc> hi
10:48 <philippeqc> I'd need some help. I'd like for someone to join my server "zone v2 test server" DURING a round. I'm experimenting with respawning code and I'd like to know if a player that join DURING a round can be spawned into action.
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> got it running right now?
10:49 <philippeqc> yes
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> let me bring up the server browser, then you tell me when to join
10:49 <philippeqc> I'm alrady there
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, not showing on my server browser
10:50 <philippeqc> join when you can
10:50 <philippeqc> no?
10:50 * wrtlprnft is trying too now
11:51 <wrtlprnft> nice server, nice server
11:52 <philippeqc> lol, its just a simple effect
11:52 <philippeqc> building up a few selectors that can select dead players
11:52 <philippeqc> and I'll see about a "fortress style" one that respawn a teammate on conquest
11:53 <Your_mom_arma> i had fun, cya guys
11:53 <philippeqc> cya
11:53 <wrtlprnft> cys
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12:09 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about having teammates respawn while defended
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> so you defend your own zone and your teammates respawn :)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if your defense dies, no more respawning (until someone relieves him)
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12:10 <TitsnAss> hi
12:10 <philippeqc> I was thinking a 3 team setup. you can defend your zone, attack and conquer the one on your left, but if you touch the one on your right, you respawn a teammate
12:10 <TitsnAss> sounds good
12:11 <TitsnAss> what if someone was camping the resspawn zone while his team mate pwnd the other team
12:11 <TitsnAss> you would have to limit the respawns
12:12 <philippeqc> red, green and blue team. blue attack red, and if green attack red, it respawn a teammate
12:12 <TitsnAss> oh
12:12 <philippeqc> so there should be quite some interest at each zone
12:13 <TitsnAss> oh ok
12:13 <philippeqc> you want the other team to help you get inside, as it helps you, but not have them actually enter, as it helps them
12:13 <TitsnAss> sounds good
12:15 <TitsnAss> g2g
12:15 <TitsnAss> its p0rn
12:15 <TitsnAss> time
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12:15 <philippeqc> lol
12:15 <philippeqc> used to be miller time
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> my lebanese chem teacher used to end the class by saying "It's miller time!"
12:40 <DrJoeTron> man
12:41 <DrJoeTron> everytime i think i rock at tetris, someone rocks my face
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> everytime I think DrJoeTron rocks at Tetris, I'm wrong
12:47 <DrJoeTron> haha now you're right
12:47 <DrJoeTron> i just rocked someone :D
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, this test is getting sprung on me
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> show up to class yesterday, "The test starts tomorrow!"
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> arg
12:47 <DrJoeTron> i thought you were done with school?
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> ? heh, no way
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> after this semester I have enough hours to be classed as a sophomore
12:48 <DrJoeTron> heh
12:48 <DrJoeTron> im behind now
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> It's calc 2 this semester
12:48 <DrJoeTron> heh
12:48 <DrJoeTron> im behind a year :/
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> so, for the next two semesters, there's always a calc test around the corner
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> behind me by a year?
12:48 <DrJoeTron> hehe
12:49 <DrJoeTron> well
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> or just behind by a year from your original plan?
12:49 <DrJoeTron> both, actually
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> (behind me by a year means "just starting")
12:49 <DrJoeTron> i changed majors
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> why did you do that? That puts you behind by a year!
12:49 <DrJoeTron> :/ it sucked, thats why
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> so what are you majoring in now?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> :/ graphic design
12:50 <DrJoeTron> i can get into advertisement and stuff
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> wuss
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> what were you majoring in?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> music
12:50 <DrJoeTron> my problem?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> <--percussionist
12:50 <DrJoeTron> they really didnt like taht
12:51 <DrJoeTron> nore did they cater to it very well
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> nah, people are snobs about drums
12:51 <DrJoeTron> you dont need to remind me
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> when I was in the 5th grade I told my mom I wanted to play drums in the school band and she said "play a real instrument"
12:51 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've been holding it against her ever since
12:51 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: so you played the guitar instead?
12:51 <DrJoeTron> the stuff i was gonna be learning, amazing
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> my wife bought me a trap set after we got married, and it was awesome
12:52 <DrJoeTron> too bad, they did not have the supplies for me
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> [Xpert]DarkStar: heh, not sure I can really say I'm a guitar player anymore :)
12:52 <DrJoeTron> i still plan on doing something with music
12:52 <DrJoeTron> but i dont need a degree for that
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: how did you learn to play the guitar?
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I've been playing music in some form or other since I was 8
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> self-taught :)
12:52 <DrJoeTron> heh mee too
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: cool :D
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wanna learn it too uc
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> you can't have been playing since I was 8, you're just a kid!
12:52 <DrJoeTron> i went to drums in 4th grade
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only gotta get a guitar and an amp
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> I sang back then
12:53 <DrJoeTron> i played piano
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> I was a pretty good singer before my voice cracked
12:53 <DrJoeTron> for 2 years
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> piano was fun, but I didn't find it very interesting :/
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> so I only learned a few chords and then moved on
12:53 <DrJoeTron> this will be 10 years of drums :D
12:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would you say it's too late to learn playing the guitar at 18?
12:54 <DrJoeTron> nope
12:54 <DrJoeTron> lucifer how old are you again?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I started guitar a few months before my 18th birthday....
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> 31
12:54 <DrJoeTron> ah
12:54 <DrJoeTron> old man
12:54 <DrJoeTron> :p
12:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my mom is 48 and looks like 35
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> my wife is 26 and looks 16
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> people always ask her if she's the babysitter, and when she says no they give me dirty looks
12:55 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:55 <DrJoeTron> im 19 :/
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: i know that... my girlfriend is 15
12:55 <DrJoeTron> i got pulled over for looking 16
12:56 <DrJoeTron> ...i think the beard would have set me off as not 16
12:56 <DrJoeTron> when i forgot to shave for like 3 weeks
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a friend of mine recently turned 23
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and they'd still ask him for the passport when he tries to get some beer
12:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (you can get beer at 16 here)
12:57 <DrJoeTron> hehe
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> my wife gets carded for cigarettes, which you can get at 18
12:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the US u can't get alcohol under 21, right?
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> when I worked at jiffy lube, when an old person would try to claim the senior discount, I *always* carded them
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. It's a state law, but all the states passed the same stupid law
12:58 <cusco> I know this dude who is like 80 years old.. but he looks like 20!
12:58 <DrJoeTron> not that that stops anyone
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> is he a llama?
12:58 <cusco> I think he calls himself wrtlprnft
12:58 <DrJoeTron> from getting beer that is
12:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: you can get _everything_ at 18 here
12:58 <cusco> including sex?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> llamas?
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
12:59 <DrJoeTron> all we get are cigarrettes, and the court tries you as an adult
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only a question of the price i guess
12:59 <DrJoeTron> i guess vote
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, in Texas it's against the law to have sex with someone who's younger than 17, but it's ok to marry with her parent's permission
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is america...
12:59 <DrJoeTron> over here marriage with parents consent is 16 ;D
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> someone actually tried to tell me I couldn't screw my wife because she wasn't 17 yet
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, to get technical, 15 is the youngest for marriage with parent's consent
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 16 here
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and 12 for screwing
13:00 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> under 16
13:00 <DrJoeTron> tell that to gary glitter :p
13:00 <DrJoeTron> he would be in heaven
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the age difference may not be >3years
13:01 <DrJoeTron> aww
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> similar here
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> if she's under 17, a valid defense for him is that he's less than 3 years older than her
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> because, of course, nobody's going to complain if a young boy has sex with an older woman. Rather, we'll congratulate him.
13:02 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:02 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what the minimum age is if they're both under 17, that law never applied to me so I didn't need to know it :/
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> where's my hole puncher?!?
13:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in russia u can get married at 14
13:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but no screwing b4 16
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of screwing, where's my hole puncher!?!?
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it fell behind the guitar amp
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> can you believe this?
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> I got a 57 on my last calc test
13:07 * Lucifer_arma is sorting his calc notebook so he can get cracking studying for the next test which starts tomorrow
13:12 <DrJoeTron> i suck at math
13:12 <DrJoeTron> among many other things :p
13:12 <DrJoeTron> like arma
13:13 <DrJoeTron> *sigh* i spose i should work on my site
13:13 <DrJoeTron> shit, i forgot to install those photoshop plugins
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll be depending an awful lot on trig to get me through the next test
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm good at trig, though :)
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> but I choked so badly on sequences and series that I need to get 92+ on the next test, and mid90s on the final to pull an A for the class
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, the next test is all integration. Integration by parts, integration of trig powers, trig substitution, etc. Easy stuff.
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> and some parametric equation stuff, just graphing, derivatives of parametric equation, arc length and some simple integrals
13:19 <DrJoeTron> damn it, the time i actually need to spell check i dont have word installed
13:19 * Lucifer_arma notes that every text editor from ed to openoffice can spell check--in linux
13:22 * DrJoeTron will keep that in mind when he feel likes compiling drivers for hours so he can make the computer make a "blip" sound
13:23 * Lucifer_arma thinks DrJoeTron should try a Linux distribution made after 1998 if he doesn't want to compile drivers for hours so he can make the computer make a "blip" sound
13:23 * DrJoeTron lieks games too much
13:23 * Lucifer_arma plays games
13:23 * DrJoeTron that arent based off the quake 3 engine
13:23 * Lucifer_arma plays games that aren't based on any quake engine
13:24 <DrJoeTron> like what
13:24 * Lucifer_arma notes that the only quake-derived part of arma is the network system
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, Armagetron Advanced is one :)
13:24 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:24 <DrJoeTron> give me more
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> FlightGear that I've just started playing
13:24 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:24 <DrJoeTron> half life 2?
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> Crimson Fields is nice if you like tactical wargames
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> why would I play half life 2? I don't like first person shooters
13:25 <DrJoeTron> im not a big fan of them either
13:25 <DrJoeTron> but hl2 is :D
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> but if you really like first person shooters, Cube is around
13:25 <DrJoeTron> nah
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it's not based on quake
13:25 <DrJoeTron> i played cube
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> bzFlag is always fun
13:25 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
13:25 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:25 <DrJoeTron> bzflag
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> tuxracer got forked, and the fork doesn't look very good :(
13:26 <DrJoeTron> i was waiting to see howlong before tux racer was brought up
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fork at least produced a windows version, iirc
13:27 <DrJoeTron> eh
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> there's two others that come to mind, but only one whose name I remember
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wesnoth, if you like games like the old pentantastar board game
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> combination RPG and tactical wargame
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> the platformer I don't remember its name, but it's very nice
13:27 <DrJoeTron> most of my games are for windows
13:28 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
13:28 <DrJoeTron> ever hear of cave story?
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're stuck in the mindset of "I need these same games", then Linux isn't for you.
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> If you just want to play good games, there are plenty. :)
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> and MAME gets you all the classic arcade games
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, cave story doesn't sound familiar
13:28 <DrJoeTron> i got that here too on windows
13:29 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if they made a linux port
13:29 <DrJoeTron> but its kind of like playing metroid or castlevania
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> not sure that it matters, I don't bend very often on the "give me the source code" policy
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> I won't bend it on games, period. I won't play a non-open source game :)
13:29 <DrJoeTron> and theres no question of "which OS is better"
13:30 <DrJoeTron> linux is way better then windows IMO
13:30 <DrJoeTron> i'm lazy, and most of the games i like are for windows
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you'd have to find new ones in Linux ;)
13:31 * spidey yawns
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, FreeCiv is very nice too
13:31 <DrJoeTron> nah, i talk to someone who uses linux avidly
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I've considered setting up a FreeCiv server for the arma folks that play it, but apparently nobody plays it
13:32 <DrJoeTron> i think he uses ubuntu
13:32 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, he reboots with windows for games
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey keeps a windows box around for games
13:32 <DrJoeTron> exactly
13:32 <spidey> i dual boot it
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> not me. :) I play all my games under Linux. If it doesn't run in Linux, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't run
13:33 <DrJoeTron> ha
13:33 <DrJoeTron> i think tank got hl2 running on linux for a little bit
13:33 <DrJoeTron> dont quite remember
13:33 <spidey> well i payed $80 for these 2 games by god i'ma play 'em :p
13:33 <DrJoeTron> which ones?
13:33 <spidey> swat4 and halo
13:33 <DrJoeTron> ah
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> if I paid $80 for 2 games, then by god I better have gotten the source code with them
13:34 <spidey> haha
13:34 <DrJoeTron> man i wanna play oblivion sooo bad
13:34 <spidey> you don't get source with games you buy from walmart
13:34 <spidey> !
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> game publishers are the worst for "protecting their intellectual property". They've been doing copy protection for decades.
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's why I don't buy games from walmart
13:34 <spidey> welll
13:34 <DrJoeTron> i cringe whenever i buy anything from ea
13:35 <spidey> you stick to your open source games
13:35 <DrJoeTron> last ea game i bought was over a year ago
13:35 <spidey> in the mean time i'll play cool ass games
13:35 <spidey> ;x
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm willing to cave for my nvidia driver and my broadcom driver. In the first case it's because I think nvidia will come around eventually and open source all their stuff.
13:35 <DrJoeTron> i hear that spidey :D
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> In the second case, it's because broadcom will never ocme around but it's what I'm stuck with.
13:35 * Lucifer_arma notes the name of this channel
13:35 <spidey> broadcom = ethernet right?
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes
13:35 <spidey> i have 2 of them
13:36 <spidey> and 1 that came with my modem
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> 802.11g
13:36 <DrJoeTron> im so glad amd bought ati
13:36 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:36 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ass!
13:36 <DrJoeTron> suck it!
13:36 * spidey notes he WILL get that radeon
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm not willing to cave for games because games are *optional*
13:36 <spidey> ;x
13:36 <spidey> just gonna take me a bit
13:36 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> and game publishers are every bit as evil as the RIAA
13:36 <DrJoeTron> spidey personaly
13:36 <DrJoeTron> upgrade the board
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> so they don't get my money
13:36 <spidey> DrJoeTron, personally
13:37 <spidey> send me the money for it
13:37 <spidey> ;x
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> the exception being id, ironically. :)
13:37 * DrJoeTron notes that thats what daemon tools if for :p
13:37 <spidey> because untill i'm 17 every place around here says i'm to young to work
13:37 <spidey> so i get what i get :p
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, my wife was workin' it when she was 15
13:37 <DrJoeTron> i hope id never goes into the lighting bracket
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> er, had a job! I mean
13:38 <spidey> hahaha
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> I hope Carmack gets that rocket off the ground, personally, and that he hires me when I finish my degree
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i mean just imagine if they made light bulbs
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they'd release the source to the bulbs after they burnt out
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> and be hailed as heroes for doing it
13:38 <DrJoeTron> yeah right
13:38 <DrJoeTron> more like they suck in light
13:39 <DrJoeTron> like a black hole
13:39 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:39 <DrJoeTron> doom 3
13:39 <DrJoeTron> sooooo dark
13:39 <spidey> hmmm
13:39 <spidey> micro offerd me honary status O.o
13:39 <DrJoeTron> of...
13:39 <spidey> mbc...
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> honorary status?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> is that what clans are all about? status?
13:40 <DrJoeTron> eww
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> let's start a clam!
13:40 <DrJoeTron> werd!
13:40 <spidey> no?
13:40 <DrJoeTron> my clam is better@
13:40 <DrJoeTron> suck my ball lucifer
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> my clam is better
13:40 <spidey> you mean prawn
13:40 <spidey> ;x
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> join Clam Prawn!
13:40 <DrJoeTron> d00d can i join ur clam?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> we eat lobsters!
13:40 <spidey> haha
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Clam Prawn Sux my ball
13:41 <DrJoeTron> o
13:41 <DrJoeTron> theres my ball
13:41 * Lucifer_arma skewers Gridkid's ball
13:41 <DrJoeTron> oh. i miss grid kid
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Gridkid: Meet my ball
13:42 <DrJoeTron> Tis: Meet my wall
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as Mayor Tom is around, we'll always have that
13:42 <spidey> http://www.americasarmy.com/
13:42 <spidey> i need to reinstall halo
13:42 <DrJoeTron> oh god americas army
13:42 <spidey> even though i suck at it
13:42 <DrJoeTron> no you dont :d
13:42 <DrJoeTron> you dont suck at halo
13:42 <DrJoeTron> halo sucks for you :p
13:42 <spidey> i have a xbox controller i made work with the computer
13:42 * spidey pwns
13:43 <DrJoeTron> why...why would you do such a thing?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> for an fps?
13:43 <spidey> so i'd have a ctronller?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> whhy!?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> no!
13:43 <spidey> to make you ask why
13:43 <spidey> bish
13:43 <DrJoeTron> use the mouse and the keyboard
13:43 <spidey> the xbox controller works better
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> I have an old cheap controller I bought a long time ago that I've never gotten to work on any computer :(
13:43 <spidey> ;x
13:43 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, most only work on windows
13:43 <spidey> duh!
13:43 <DrJoeTron> you're kidding my spidey
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> one of these days I'll plug in my voltmeter and see if the thing actually works at all
13:44 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:44 <DrJoeTron> i love my sidewinder
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I've tried it on every version of windows from 95 to 2000
13:44 <DrJoeTron> its perfect for my snes and genesis controllers
13:44 * Lucifer_arma notes that win95 was current when he bought that controller
13:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, maybe it doesn't like you?
13:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah lucifer
13:44 <DrJoeTron> those are terrible
13:44 <DrJoeTron> plug and play?
13:44 <DrJoeTron> my ass
13:44 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's supposed to use a "standard" joystick interface
13:44 <DrJoeTron> and trying to install new hardware
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> but PC's never had a standard joystick interface!
13:45 <DrJoeTron> they do now!
13:45 <spidey> i have a joystick from 98
13:45 <spidey> logetic
13:45 <DrJoeTron> i do enjoy xp
13:45 <wrtlprnft> logitech?
13:45 <spidey> i have this airplane game
13:45 <spidey> it owns
13:45 <spidey> ;x
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> flightgear?
13:45 <spidey> no!
13:45 <DrJoeTron> logitech is weird with there drivers
13:45 <spidey> it's like a war game
13:45 <DrJoeTron> i got the sidewinder
13:45 <spidey> you shoot down planes
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> man, flightgear is awesome
13:45 <spidey> so...
13:45 <wrtlprnft> I don't enjoy XP at all if i have to use it. It doesn't have virtual desktops
13:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, put your airplane in the air so i can shoot it
13:46 * Lucifer_arma wants to go buy a real controller for flightgear
13:46 <DrJoeTron> for what i do XP is great
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> for what I do XP sucks ass
13:46 <DrJoeTron> if it fucks up i dont really care, because i get what i pay for ;D
13:47 * wrtlprnft didn't pay for his OS, neither did he for his word processor or compiler toolchain
13:47 <wrtlprnft> you can get it all for the price of a CD-Recordable
13:48 <spidey> know what
13:48 <spidey> neither did i
13:48 <spidey> what's your point?
13:48 <DrJoeTron> neither did i
13:48 <DrJoeTron> that was my point
13:48 <wrtlprnft> I don't run illegal software :P
13:48 <DrJoeTron> mine is legit :p
13:48 <spidey> good for you
13:48 <wrtlprnft> then you paid for it when you bought your computer
13:48 <DrJoeTron> nope
13:48 <spidey> although i'm sure you download music
13:49 <DrJoeTron> someone else bought it, threw it up
13:49 <DrJoeTron> and put the key for it
13:49 <DrJoeTron> so it was bought by SOMEBODY
13:49 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:49 <spidey> non os systems are cheaper anyways
13:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:49 <DrJoeTron> i built my pc out of scraps
13:50 <DrJoeTron> i think i only bought new was a video card and a hard drive
13:50 <DrJoeTron> everything else were from other pc's
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> I built my pc out of meatballs
13:50 <DrJoeTron> so yeah, dude, i totally didnt get a dell
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> me neither, I got a compaq
13:50 <spidey> i got a della
13:50 <spidey> and you know what
13:50 <spidey> it still runs like the day i bought it
13:51 <spidey> 3 years ago
13:51 <DrJoeTron> crappy!
13:51 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> like shit?
13:51 <spidey> no
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> my compaq screams, I love it
13:51 <DrJoeTron> i sort of liked my dell
13:51 <spidey> i've never had one single problem with either of my computers
13:51 <spidey> they're both dells
13:51 <DrJoeTron> the whole "no agp slot" was the deal breaker though of "fuck this thing"
13:51 <DrJoeTron> id rather buy a mac than a del
13:51 <DrJoeTron> dell*
13:51 <DrJoeTron> both you cant really upgrade
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> damn, cristi's back :(
13:52 <spidey> lol
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> the smeghead count seemed to actually decrease over the last month or so
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it was too good to last
13:53 <DrJoeTron> what are you talking about
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ive seen nothing more than a jump
13:53 <DrJoeTron> pretty soon zapple will show up
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> really? on your server?
13:53 * Lucifer_arma notes that a fair amount of the lobster players count as smegheads on other servers :)
13:53 <DrJoeTron> oh, im aware
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> zapple should be what, 14 now? he might not be so bad anymore....
13:54 <spidey> lol
13:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah...
13:54 <DrJoeTron> i think all he does is play halo now
13:54 <spidey> i hate kamp
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> true, I've both a) not been playing as much and b) playing on only one server, so my own view might be a bit skewed right now
13:54 <spidey> !
13:54 <DrJoeTron> i love kamp :D
13:54 <DrJoeTron> he does all of my dirty work
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> kamp is awesome! how can you hate kamp?
13:54 <spidey> he's a dumbass
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> no he's not!
13:54 <spidey> i can and i do
13:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey and kamp got into a fight
13:55 <DrJoeTron> sort of
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> kamp? fight with someone? he's like the friendliest guy around
13:55 <DrJoeTron> kamp told him to stay off the wall
13:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey didnt
13:55 <DrJoeTron> kamp kicked him
13:55 <DrJoeTron> that was about it
13:55 <spidey> ugh
13:55 <spidey> no....
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> spidey deserves to be kicked every now and then
13:56 <spidey> lets say
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> if it weren't for the auto-ban thing, he'd be someone I'd kick everytime his name came up
13:56 <DrJoeTron> he told you right off the bat "stay off the wall spidey, or il kick you"
13:56 <spidey> i hate kamp just a little less than i hate psyko
13:56 <DrJoeTron> kamp does like to egg people o
13:56 <DrJoeTron> i havent seen him in a bit
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> there's a world of difference between the two, though. psyko really is a smeghead, and kamp is cooler than fucking in the rain!
13:56 <DrJoeTron> he's one of my favorite lobsters :d
13:57 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i'm not a idiot i know what happened if SD was here he'd tell you
13:57 <spidey> i wasn't on the fuckin wall when he kicked me
13:57 <spidey> ggkthnx
13:57 <DrJoeTron> haha relax man
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> you probably still deserved it
13:57 <DrJoeTron> kamp is more anti clan than i'll ever be
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> think of pissing off kamp a lot like pissing off jesus
13:58 <DrJoeTron> so he is pretty cut throat
13:58 <DrJoeTron> when it comes to anyone with a tag
13:58 <spidey> will he can suck my big toe
13:58 <spidey> the left one
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I tend to be less lenient with clanners too, but that's only because so many clanners are also smegheads
13:58 <DrJoeTron> he's also the reason why half the time my server is barren
13:58 <DrJoeTron> which is cool
13:59 <DrJoeTron> because he keep all of the idiots out
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
13:59 <DrJoeTron> him and invader
13:59 <DrJoeTron> fonkay occasionaly
13:59 <spidey> i like invader
13:59 <spidey> i hate kamp
13:59 <spidey> <3
13:59 * Lucifer_arma notes that DrJoeTron's server picked up all the Crack Pipe regulars when that server went down
13:59 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> now they won't come back, heh
14:00 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, some of them I'm glad not to see anymore. Sepiku was really getting on my nerves
14:00 <DrJoeTron> im trying to keep the server up more long term
14:00 <DrJoeTron> sepiku cleaned up
14:00 <DrJoeTron> i got alot of the SP flunkees too
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> really? he still tell you how to setup your server?
14:01 <DrJoeTron> nope
14:01 <DrJoeTron> he never did
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> he kept threatening to never play on my server again if I didn't enable colors or some other thing
14:01 <DrJoeTron> not with me he doesnt
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen him do it, maybe he just hasn't in awhile
14:01 <spidey> lol
14:01 <DrJoeTron> i havent seen him do it
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> so you don't remember anymore
14:02 <spidey> i like sepiku ;x
14:02 <DrJoeTron> he doesnt do itin my servers
14:02 <DrJoeTron> he's a saint
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> Invader's always been cool, though. He's the same invader that used to play ish, right?
14:02 <DrJoeTron> in my servers
14:02 <DrJoeTron> most of them are
14:02 <DrJoeTron> yes
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i think so
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i lived at ish
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably because when I saw him trash-talking you, you kept kicking him
14:02 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:02 <DrJoeTron> we all do that
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> ishAdmin needs to come back
14:03 <DrJoeTron> because most of the lobsters are admins
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> I sometimes wonder if he has come back and is just using a different name
14:03 <DrJoeTron> and when you have a room full of them
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> this was waaaay back when you first setup your server
14:03 <DrJoeTron> my server just turns into "lets fuck with the settings"
14:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah, he never was like that
14:04 <DrJoeTron> he showed up, loved it, dissapeared
14:04 <DrJoeTron> came back as an sp member
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> we might manage to sucker nic back in
14:04 <DrJoeTron> convinced him to quit
14:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> sepiku was sp for awhile?
14:04 <spidey> nic?
14:04 <DrJoeTron> nicolus b
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i miss that guy
14:04 <spidey> i remember that name from somewhere i think
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> he was awesome
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i have him on aim
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i dont talk to him much
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he just started posting again on the forums
14:05 <DrJoeTron> he showed up on fortress
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> so he said. Recently?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> to try it out a few months back
14:05 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:05 <DrJoeTron> i finally got to say "told you you'd comeback"
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he'll be back. He loves the team game. :)
14:05 <DrJoeTron> everyone comes back
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> always, yep
14:06 <DrJoeTron> what ever happen to majination
14:06 <DrJoeTron> and marrow
14:06 <DrJoeTron> and prey4me
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> don't know about maj, he left before I was here
14:06 <DrJoeTron> maj was crazy
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen prey4me recently, but other than the name I don't remember anything else
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> marrow showed up awhile back and me and him and locutus, your_mom, couple of others went into fortress
14:06 <DrJoeTron> he was damn good for a quadriplegic
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> played with communist in fortress :)
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:07 <DrJoeTron> most of those guys went to swiftparrot
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> communist was an awesome fortress player
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> he pops in every now and then with a name that if you can link it to communism/china, you can identify him
14:07 <DrJoeTron> maj played with his teeth!!
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> so you might have seen him and not known it
14:08 <DrJoeTron> mom likes to take breaks
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I heard that about maj, but I haven't seen him. I just haven't.
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, we all take breaks. :) You could say I'm taking a break right now.
14:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then I fire up the game and people say "I thought you quit playing!"
14:08 -!- groundpig [i=groundpi@rrcs-67-53-6-47.west.biz.rr.com] has quit []
14:08 <DrJoeTron> maybe i should take a break
14:08 <spidey> lol
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen you disappear for awhile.
14:09 <DrJoeTron> but keep my servers running
14:09 <DrJoeTron> nah, not too much
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> life doesn't revolve around arma, sometimes it pulls you away, sometimes it pushes you in
14:09 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:09 <DrJoeTron> i usually just go into my server
14:09 <DrJoeTron> when i was setting my server up, you didnt see me
14:09 <DrJoeTron> unless you went in my server
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah I did, saw you a lot
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Lucifer, how do I do this? How do I do that?"
14:09 <DrJoeTron> true
14:10 <DrJoeTron> oh yes the teamspeak server
14:10 * DrJoeTron still is up
14:10 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/modules.php?name=Forum
14:10 <spidey> haha
14:10 <DrJoeTron> gomes still talks about you there
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> man, for awhile there most of the servers people played had been setup either by me directly or I had to help the admin get going
14:10 <DrJoeTron> i seem to have taken your roll
14:10 <DrJoeTron> because thats all ive been doing with all of these really bad servers
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I started pushing people away. :)
14:10 <DrJoeTron> im so glad i took off my aim screen name on the boards
14:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, help me set my server up!
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> I got tired of being server tech support, people started getting so demanding and ungrateful
14:11 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know the feeling
14:11 <DrJoeTron> well, i appreciated your help greatly
14:11 <DrJoeTron> ;)
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> you did :)
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> and you built a very nice server that I really enjoy playing
14:12 <DrJoeTron> haha well thank you
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> too bad I"m still burnt on deathmatch playing
14:12 <DrJoeTron> i would play, but i dont have 2.8.2
14:13 <DrJoeTron> the lobster mafia has weird behaviors
14:13 <DrJoeTron> its now "we dont go there unless joe is there"
14:13 <DrJoeTron> other wise we all go to shrunkland
14:13 <DrJoeTron> and listen to scope whine
14:14 <spidey> joe didn't anyone break my speed record thingy? ;x
14:14 <DrJoeTron> probabl
14:14 <DrJoeTron> y
14:14 <spidey> :>
14:14 <spidey> :<
14:14 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:14 <DrJoeTron> probably by me exterminating rim huggers by switching on the rim accel
14:14 <DrJoeTron> i love you instant chat keys
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, philippeqc is doing some cool stuff with zones, probably in the next week or so I'm going to switch to his branch on my server and start playing with the zones
14:15 <spidey> what's that got to do with anything?
14:15 <DrJoeTron> heh cool
14:15 <spidey> if i can dind on the wall with 3 rubber i can do it with 9 regaurdless of rim accel
14:15 <spidey> :p
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> since I don't do tech support for servers anymore, I've been doing all the "firsts". You know, first map rotation, first maze, etc. Been falling down on the job, ed is starting to run even with me
14:15 <spidey> s/dind/bind
14:15 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> ed might have passed me, hard to say
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't screw with multi-axes
14:16 <DrJoeTron> alls if conquered was the first server with a teamspeak server
14:16 <spidey> 3axes owns!
14:16 <spidey> no
14:16 <DrJoeTron> or voice communication period
14:16 <spidey> how long you had teamspeak?
14:16 <DrJoeTron> publicly
14:16 <DrJoeTron> for a while
14:16 <spidey> cause i've had it since august
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> Joe had the first teamspeak server
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, joe was definitely the first around here with that one
14:17 <spidey> maybe around here
14:17 <DrJoeTron> still up too :p
14:17 <spidey> but i also didn't stray from mbc server for the first 2-3 months
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> "around here" being defined as "in the whole armagetron community"
14:17 <spidey> so is mine, spidey.no-ip.org
14:17 <spidey> ;x
14:17 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:17 <DrJoeTron> im glad i've done something
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be available to the whole community. Little clan-only things don't count.
14:18 <spidey> wasn't clan-only anyone that came in mbc and had a mic usually came on
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> my map rotator was actually so early it may not count as a first, but it was available to everybody--provided you built from cvs
14:19 <DrJoeTron> hehe
14:19 <spidey> i remember having 12 people on it once
14:19 <spidey> man i lagged so bad in tron
14:19 <spidey> :<
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> considering how mbc seems to treat non-MBCers on their server, it may as well be clan-only
14:19 <spidey> well i never been like that :)
14:19 <spidey> so anyone was welcome
14:19 <DrJoeTron> we pay 10 bucks (5 each) for the server a month
14:19 <spidey> oh ya
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> you and gomes?
14:20 <DrJoeTron> yup
14:20 <spidey> i pay $9 for a website and 2 trons servers
14:20 <spidey> owned!
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> man, every time I go in there with my bass its empty
14:20 <DrJoeTron> its to fit 20 people
14:20 <spidey> if you count the one i get from luke that's 3 servers
14:20 <DrJoeTron> haha you actually go in there?
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> not very often, but every now and then
14:20 <DrJoeTron> gomes and or i are just usually jsut sitting in there
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> I wound up setting up a streaming media server instead
14:20 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:21 <DrJoeTron> i love being in my server when people are using the ts server
14:21 <DrJoeTron> its a whole new thing
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> because nobody was ever in your teamspeak server, but people are here all the time, so I can throw a link and if people want they can lsiten in
14:21 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:21 <DrJoeTron> we dont care what you do with it really
14:21 <DrJoeTron> tis made that well known
14:21 <spidey> lucifer never came to my teamspeak :<
14:22 <DrJoeTron> he would bring his "lady friends" on it
14:22 <spidey> hahah
14:22 <spidey> anjori always wanted me to bring some of mine in
14:22 <DrJoeTron> so gomes promptly changed the banner text to "Why pay for phone calls when you've got this place?"
14:22 <spidey> but when i finally did he wasn't there
14:22 <spidey> ;x
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I never went to your teamspeak because you actually expected me to talk
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be happy to bring my bass in there :)
14:23 <spidey> well
14:23 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:23 <spidey> lol
14:23 <DrJoeTron> lucifer rocked out in ours
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not talking about *talking* on joe's server
14:23 <spidey> why are people so shy to talk over the internet
14:23 <spidey> it's not like you're gonna actually meet the people
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's not shy, it's more "I'm here at night, when my family's sleeping"
14:24 <DrJoeTron> thats one of them
14:24 <spidey> are your family home now?
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> yes, sleeping
14:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey, you called my house
14:24 <spidey> :/
14:24 <spidey> hahahah
14:24 <spidey> i did
14:24 <spidey> ;x
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> and during the day they're so loud it's not worth even trying to talk on a teamspeak server
14:24 <spidey> i was like
14:24 <spidey> is joe there
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> so there's pretty much no time when I can do it
14:24 <spidey> they where like who?
14:24 <spidey> i was like joe!
14:24 <spidey> they was like joey?
14:24 <spidey> i said yes!
14:24 <DrJoeTron> thats me :D
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> your name's really joe?
14:25 <DrJoeTron> haha suprised?
14:25 <spidey> lol
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> yes. :)
14:25 <DrJoeTron> this is my actual nick name
14:25 <spidey> i know his real name
14:25 <spidey> ;D
14:25 <DrJoeTron> had no relation to tron
14:25 <DrJoeTron> it was just a bunch of inside jokes into one
14:26 <DrJoeTron> thus becomming a solid nickname for online
14:26 <DrJoeTron> Joe Tron for short :p
14:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah spidey i bet you do
14:27 <DrJoeTron> ya creepy jerk XD
14:27 <spidey> hehehe
14:27 * spidey picks up the phone
14:27 <spidey> don't tempt me!!!
14:27 <DrJoeTron> i hate chu!
14:27 * spidey dials
14:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah, lets not call my house
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:28 * spidey notes he has nation wide and some parts of canada
14:28 <DrJoeTron> oh man
14:28 <spidey> so it's free for me
14:28 <spidey> ;x
14:28 <DrJoeTron> my favorite admin thing to do
14:28 <DrJoeTron> turn the colors off
14:28 <DrJoeTron> so many spirits are broken
14:28 <spidey> me server doesn't have colors
14:28 <spidey> thanks to wrtlprnft
14:28 <DrJoeTron> when they cant type in teal
14:28 <DrJoeTron> nah i keep it on
14:28 <DrJoeTron> when its abused
14:28 <DrJoeTron> it goes off
14:29 <spidey> actually
14:29 <spidey> i know what i'ma do
14:29 <DrJoeTron> i like to remind everone that being in the servers are a priveledge
14:29 <spidey> i'ma edit english_base.txt change the text color a
14:29 <spidey> so they change colors again
14:29 <spidey> ;x
14:29 <DrJoeTron> and im starting to enjoy being a moderator for many servers other than my own
14:30 <spidey> what color did durka always type in?
14:30 <spidey> i'ma change text to that color
14:30 <DrJoeTron> eww
14:30 <spidey> lol
14:30 <DrJoeTron> soo not goin there :D
14:30 <spidey> lmao
14:31 <DrJoeTron> wekk
14:31 <DrJoeTron> well*
14:31 <DrJoeTron> when school starts again
14:31 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i will get back to doing some server work
14:31 <DrJoeTron> infact
14:31 <DrJoeTron> gomes almost bought a tower
14:31 <DrJoeTron> but couldnt find the voltage regulators for it
14:32 <DrJoeTron> so he decided not to
14:33 <DrJoeTron> i guess it was made by a company that doesnt really make servers
14:33 <DrJoeTron> silicon graphics i think they were called
14:33 <DrJoeTron> brb
14:34 <spidey> OS: Windows 98/Me/XP/2K
14:34 <spidey> Processor: Intel Pentium II 300 MHz
14:34 <spidey> Memory: 64 MB (128 recommended)
14:34 <spidey> Hard Drive Space: 120 MB free drive space (200MB free recommended)
14:34 <spidey> CDROM drive: 8x Speed (16x recommended)
14:34 <spidey> Graphics card: DirectX 8.1 Compliant Video Card with 8 MB RAM
14:34 <spidey> Sound card: DirectX 8.1 Compliant Sound Card
14:34 <spidey> DirectX version: 8.1 (Included)
14:34 <spidey> bullshit
14:34 <spidey> it almost locked up my system installing
14:34 <spidey> and i got 2.2ghz
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> I almost kicked durka off my server for his color chat
14:35 <spidey> oh that's nothing
14:35 <spidey> when he's in your server watch the console
14:35 <spidey> he tried to login as admin a few times on mine
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it said 0xsometupidthing/login PASS ?
14:36 <spidey> LOL
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> those idiots with the colored chats, heh. You'll see "/team defense is down!"
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> then
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> "oops"
14:36 <spidey> ya
14:36 <spidey> ok i'ma go play rollercoaster tycoon 2
14:36 <spidey> ;x
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I wanted the feature that makes that possible
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> so I could do "/admin kick \" to make it easier to kick people
14:37 <wrtlprnft> :(
14:37 <wrtlprnft> we should disable colors in instant chats ending in \ clientside
14:37 <wrtlprnft> but then noone would upgrade to 0.2.8.3
14:37 <wrtlprnft> or, the idiots wouldn't
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to disable colors in regular chat, but allow them in team chat
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because I think there are valid uses in /team calls for colors
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to be able to do that serverside
14:39 <wrtlprnft> only idiots write in colors all the time!
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> 0.2.7.0 didn't support colored chats at all
14:40 <DrJoeTron> yeah' and it was great
14:40 <DrJoeTron> make 3.0 not
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to make the default setting having colors disabled
14:41 <DrJoeTron> hey, what i wanna know is
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> so when server admins ask how to enable colors, we can all take advantage of the opportunity to tell them how stupid it is and how we wish the game didn't support it before we tell them how
14:41 <DrJoeTron> where did this clan boom come from
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I've been fighting it
14:41 <DrJoeTron> im trying too
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I blame the popularity of z-man's server
14:42 <DrJoeTron> although i dont have a problem with mbc
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> people play together and develop some comaraderie, then go start a clan
14:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:42 <DrJoeTron> and i love when people recruit in my servers
14:42 <DrJoeTron> and anyone elses
14:43 <DrJoeTron> i use the term "recruit" loosely
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's an instant kick on my server, no questions asked
14:43 <DrJoeTron> wanna join --|<Xtr3m3>|--?
14:43 <DrJoeTron> see me, i dont kick often
14:44 <DrJoeTron> i have all of the player slots (1-7) set to /admin kill on instant chat
14:44 <DrJoeTron> so i just keep killing them untill they get tired
14:44 <DrJoeTron> and leave
14:44 <DrJoeTron> they either think its lag
14:45 <DrJoeTron> or they just swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and then i kick them if racial slurs pop out
14:45 <DrJoeTron> though since stm cypher
14:45 <DrJoeTron> ive been weary kicking people
14:45 <DrJoeTron> cause i dont feel like getting hacked and cute shit like that
14:46 <DrJoeTron> which is why im putting the cage on another pc
14:46 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:46 <DrJoeTron> so yeah
14:47 <wrtlprnft> if someone gets access to the network behind your firewall/router they'll have a good chance of cracking your server
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> worst I ever faced was a DOS attack
14:47 <wrtlprnft> not server, your normal work machine
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> the script kiddie couldn't actually do anything else. :)
14:47 <wrtlprnft> heh, i should use that as a threat to my parents
14:48 <wrtlprnft> do the dishes or i'll send a ping of death to your old win98 box!
14:48 <wrtlprnft> or whatever works there, I'm sure something does
14:50 <spidey> i suck at rollercoaster tyycoon
14:50 <spidey> !
14:50 <wrtlprnft> After you've registered, you can leave a note for another registered user like this:
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #message Lucifer_arma You're a prick
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft what's the antiderivative of cos(x)^3?
14:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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14:53 <DrJoeTron> im not behind a router
14:53 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_with_polynomials
14:53 <DrJoeTron> ...sort of
14:53 <wrtlprnft> that maybe?
14:53 <spidey> switch?
14:53 <DrJoeTron> i have a modem/router
14:53 <spidey> close enough
14:53 <DrJoeTron> if you have wifi
14:53 <wrtlprnft> that is a router
14:53 <spidey> i have wifi disabled on my router
14:53 <spidey> fuck people war driving around my house >.<
14:53 <DrJoeTron> the server is gonna be using wifi
14:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:54 <DrJoeTron> oh please, its gonna be in the same room
14:54 <spidey> wifi kills a connection
14:54 <DrJoeTron> 4 inches actually
14:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah if its really slow
14:54 <DrJoeTron> its not gonna make much of a difference
14:54 <spidey> DrJoeTron, do you live in a populated area?
14:56 <DrJoeTron> its 802.11g so it will be fine
14:56 <DrJoeTron> ive ran the cage off of wifi before and worked grand
14:57 <DrJoeTron> no packet loss
14:57 <spidey> i'm not talking about that
14:57 <DrJoeTron> you're talking about war driving
14:57 <spidey> wait till a war driver drives by yourhouse one day :p
14:57 <DrJoeTron> its not open buddy
14:57 <DrJoeTron> and its not shitty gritty wep protection
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> mine's open
14:57 <DrJoeTron> i war drive :d
14:58 <spidey> how do YOU know it's not open?
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> me too, that's why mine's open
14:58 <DrJoeTron> more or less wifi sniff
14:58 <spidey> that stupid ass thing that hides the signal?
14:58 <DrJoeTron> no
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> not only do I use others' when they're open, I also open mine for others to use
14:58 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:58 <DrJoeTron> wep protection takes 2 minutes to crack
14:58 <spidey> maybe when i get the 6mbit connection i might
14:58 <spidey> but i need all the bw i can get >.<
14:59 <spidey> download i don't care about, upload i'm picky about
14:59 <wrtlprnft> talk about the advantages of living on the 4th floor :)
14:59 <wrtlprnft> not reachable from the street
14:59 <spidey> hahaha
14:59 <spidey> that all depends
15:00 * Lucifer_arma notes the "share and share alike" attitude has drained from this channel
15:00 <spidey> they got some wifi cards that reach a good ways
15:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's a security thing for me
15:00 <spidey> same
15:00 <wrtlprnft> i don't want people on my network
15:00 <spidey> i'd get introuble for the activities on here :p
15:00 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't care about some download bandwidth, i have too much anyways
15:00 <spidey> ya
15:01 <spidey> it's only the uplaod i care about
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's something to be said for demographics, too
15:01 <spidey> i don't really lag when i'm downloading
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> this is a middle-class neighborhood and the only people that can use my connection are people in line to pick up their kids from the school,
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> or at the church
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't reach across the street
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> neighbors on either side of me have their own connections
15:02 <spidey> that doesn't matter ;x
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> so really, the only people that are going to use it are going to be at the church and in line for the school, and that's all middle-class parents just like me
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> neighbors are also technophobes
15:02 <spidey> what about the kids?
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> they'd have to have wireless to use it :)
15:02 <DrJoeTron> could always make a cantenna
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> but I wouldn't mind, it's share and share alike anyway
15:02 <spidey> those things own
15:03 <spidey> they reach 2 miles!
15:03 <spidey> with alot of noise though
15:03 <DrJoeTron> they're illegal in some places
15:03 <spidey> i live in the country
15:03 <spidey> i could land a plane and noone would know
15:03 <spidey> ;x
15:03 <DrJoeTron> because some kid used one to hack in to his school to change hsi grades
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> my wireless is open mostly because it's the only way I can repay the folks that have let me use theirs, but I don't try to pretend it's practical for anyone
15:03 <DrJoeTron> what ever happened to blame the master, not his tools!?
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> gun control, DrJoeTron
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> all that went out the window with gun control
15:04 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:04 <DrJoeTron> very true
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> when you see a report that says "handguns kill 2 million people every year", that's what I'm talking about
15:04 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: setting the server to a map from the repository
15:04 <guru3> what do you do?
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> just set it like normal and it'll download it automatically
15:05 <guru3> how's normal
15:05 <wrtlprnft> guru3: MAP_FILE path
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> MAP_FILE path/to/map/using/luke's/draconian/filepath/spec/that/only/he/knows.aamap.xml
15:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i know it
15:05 <guru3> do you have to download it locally?
15:05 <guru3> can i set it to
15:05 <guru3> map_file http://resource...
15:05 <DrJoeTron> i like hopping on peoples networks with my ds :p
15:05 <wrtlprnft> ni
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> server will download it automatically
15:05 <guru3> ok
15:05 <wrtlprnft> say MAP_FILE <uri without the http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/>
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, you set it to, ummm
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's author/category/name iirc
15:05 <guru3> ok
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> so
15:06 <wrtlprnft> author/category/name-version.aamap.xml
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> MAP_FILE Lucifer/sick/somename-0.0.1.aamap.xml
15:06 <guru3> ok
15:06 <DrJoeTron> ah hahah, ive almost lost 20 lbs
15:07 <spidey> 20lbs from ladt time?
15:07 <spidey> s/ladt/last
15:07 <DrJoeTron> nah all together
15:07 <DrJoeTron> 20lbs in 2 weeks isnt bad
15:07 <DrJoeTron> i cant wait till i can actually start workin gout
15:07 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml :)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> you're going to work gout?
15:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> - :)
15:08 <DrJoeTron> my feet will love me
15:12 <wrtlprnft> aaaaah
15:12 <wrtlprnft> finally it's raining
15:12 <wrtlprnft> it was waaay too hot the last few days
15:13 <Compn1> so what server is stonehenge on?
15:14 <wrtlprnft> two servers
15:14 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge hide and seek zones (the new one) and another one whose name i forgot
15:14 <wrtlprnft> and it's on CTWF
15:17 <Compn1> hide and seek?
15:17 <Compn1> ehhe
15:21 <wrtlprnft> lol come to my server with a client version >= 0.2.8.2!
15:22 <wrtlprnft> i found a fun setting!
15:22 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge hide and seek
15:22 <guru3> eh?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:22 <wrtlprnft> you have to see that :P
15:23 <guru3> Oo
15:23 <DrJoeTron> alright il bbl
15:23 <DrJoeTron> tata
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15:25 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH to 0.001 and CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK to -40
15:25 <Compn1> which server is yours?
15:25 <Compn1> wild tronners crazy fort?
15:25 <Compn1> hehe
15:26 <wrtlprnft> sno
15:26 <wrtlprnft> no
15:27 <wrtlprnft> go to the hide and seek zones one
15:27 <Compn1> k
15:27 <Compn1> later
15:27 <Compn1> when i get .3
15:29 * spidey will be glad when dsl gets out here
15:30 <spidey> sad to say
15:30 <spidey> dsl has better quality than this shirrt ass cable
15:30 <spidey> s/shirry/shitty
15:34 <Compn1> that crsp guy pisses me off
15:34 <Compn1> kills def
15:35 <Compn1> takes def without saying anything
15:35 <Compn1> tk's
15:35 <Compn1> etc
15:43 <spidey> kick him?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> DSL sucks ass
15:44 <wrtlprnft> cable is waaaay better
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15:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft,
15:45 <spidey> mapload failer
15:45 <spidey> and btw
15:45 <spidey> not here it's not
15:45 <spidey> i know someone with dsl around here there service is 100times better
15:45 <wrtlprnft> cable here rocks
15:45 <spidey> it doesn't lag like shit from 9pm to 11am
15:45 <spidey> it doesn't lag out with big downloads
15:45 <spidey> now my cable
15:46 <spidey> does all the above
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> mine doesn't
15:46 <spidey> wrtlprnft, mapload failure!
15:46 <wrtlprnft> mine doesn't do any of that
15:46 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is your isp charter?
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> mine didn't fail to download the map either
15:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: well, i need details
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, my isp is someone else
15:46 <spidey> exactly ;)
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, your problem isn't cable internet, it's charter
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> if charter offers dsl, do you think it will be better?
15:47 <spidey> ...
15:47 <spidey> dude
15:47 <wrtlprnft> or the cable line to your house in the middle of nowhere
15:47 <spidey> charter = only cable provider here
15:47 <spidey> so what's cahrters problem
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, could have just been a shitty cable guy
15:47 <spidey> is cables problem to me
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, what's charter's problem is charter's problem to you
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> sony makes copy-protected CDs. If only sony CDs are available to me, does that mean all CDs suck ass?
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, it means only the CDs available to me suck ass
15:48 <wrtlprnft> sony makes CDs that contain windows rootkits :S
15:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1708/untitledao1.jpg
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> so the cable service that's available to you may suck ass, but that doesn't change the basic fact that cable is usually better than DSL
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> that just means that living out in the middle of butt-fucking nowhere isn't all it's cracked up to be :)
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15:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you're missing what i said
15:50 <spidey> i SAID
15:50 <spidey> here dsl is better than cable
15:50 <spidey> "HERE"
15:50 <spidey> ;)
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> you also said DSL isn't *there* yet
15:50 <spidey> i also said the service
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> who's going to provide the dsl service?
15:50 <spidey> it's not on my street yet
15:50 <spidey> but it's 2-3 streets over
15:50 <spidey> bellsouth
15:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: something's fucked up with your arma
15:50 <wrtlprnft> http://arma.wrtlprnft.de/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.5.aamap.xml just loads fine
15:50 <spidey> really?
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've heard that bellsouth's dsl service sucks ass
15:51 <spidey> it's the same version that bugged out when i loaded the cockpit
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> svn update? ;)
15:51 <spidey> windows for now
15:51 <spidey> still gotta make a 30gig partition
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> TortoiseSVN update.....
15:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: just deleted my cached copy and connected, everyhing works fine
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: is this the one with the hide and seek zone?
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16:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, just that it's 3 zones now
16:05 <wrtlprnft> including one in hot pink, as philippeqc calls it
16:05 <spidey> wrtl killed my hud map
16:05 <spidey> s:<
16:05 <wrtlprnft> though i think it's pretty normal pink
16:05 <wrtlprnft> and your rubber meter
16:05 <spidey> and speed guage
16:06 <wrtlprnft> only temporary
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, it worked when I was there earlier tonight
16:06 <wrtlprnft> what do you think, should we have a DISABLE_COCKPIT setting?
16:06 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i just changed the setting manually
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> but I guess that's over now
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't think we should hve a disable_cockpit setting
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> er
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> wait
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> yes, for clients :)
16:06 <wrtlprnft> don't need it for clients
16:07 <wrtlprnft> just COCKPIT_FILE 0
16:07 <wrtlprnft> we can already disable single data sources and the map serverside
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it will be worthwhile for servers
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but the first time I run into a situation where I can't use my cockpit, there will be a client_override_server_cockpit setting :)
16:08 <wrtlprnft> that makes sooo much sense
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, not really, it kinda depends. If the server has disabled the cockpit because someone thinks it gives players with a cockpit an unfair advantage, I'd resist that
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it's just like you can have a server setting to force the client into incam
16:08 <wrtlprnft> well
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if you have an incam- only server
16:09 <wrtlprnft> the hud map is an unfair advantage
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's a different story. I'd respect that, if the idea was to make it fun.
16:09 <wrtlprnft> same for my server
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not. It's nearly useless, in my experience
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if you can see the zones on the cockpit, where's the point in looking for it
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's useful as a tactical display, but not for navigation, which is the problem with incam
16:10 <wrtlprnft> with my cockpit file you can play just using the cockpit
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we need an attribute for maps that says "hide from cockpit"?
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you mean for zones?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> for any map element
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> hide some walls too, that'd be fun :)
16:10 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:10 <wrtlprnft> ask philippeqc
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> also would help to eliminate the clear advantage the hud map gives on a maze :)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> well
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> if we can ever place AI cycles on the map, then we could hide them too
16:11 <wrtlprnft> if you hide walls the map is useless anyways
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> that would be neat
16:12 <wrtlprnft> then you can disable it as a whole
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so there's a way to make the hud map useless without disabling it
16:12 <wrtlprnft> it's a complicated way and it's easier to disable it
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean it's not a) better and b) worthwhile
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16:14 <Lucifer_arma> I consider disabling the map because it gives an "unfair" advantage in most situations where people have talked about it to me to be the same deal as sony putting rootkits on CDs
16:14 <wrtlprnft> sh***
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's looking for an easy solution and stopping without looking for a good solution
16:14 <wrtlprnft> i just installed my arma server as root :(
16:14 <wrtlprnft> which means, now i have root and non- root files mixed together
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> also, the incam-only thing can be dealt with. Misery figured it out awhile back, and afaik it hasn't been fixed
16:15 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:15 <wrtlprnft> you have to disable all cams clientside
16:16 <wrtlprnft> and then it will stay in your default cam until you try to change
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16:53 <cusco> dudeeesss
16:54 <cusco> #seen madmax*
16:54 <armabot> cusco: madmax* could be madmax|pt (1 day, 2 hours, 46 minutes, and 34 seconds ago) or madmax (5 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 58 seconds ago)
17:02 <spidey> #seen luci*
17:02 <armabot> spidey: luci* could be Lucifer_arma (46 minutes and 54 seconds ago), Lucifer_arma_ (1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 9 seconds ago), LuciEatsPeople (2 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 1 minute, and 48 seconds ago), Lucifer_armathos (5 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), Lucifer (5 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), LuciSmellsGood (5 weeks, 5 days, 1 (2 more messages)
17:02 <spidey> lol
17:12 <cusco> #more
17:12 <armabot> cusco: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
17:13 <cusco> #more spidey
17:13 <armabot> cusco: hour, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago), Lucifer_arma_jer (6 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), LuciKillsDistros (9 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 29 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), LuciEatsPeopl (10 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), Lucifer_tornado (12 weeks, 5 days, 7 hours, 30 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), or Lucifer_away (17 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 22 (1 more message)
17:13 <cusco> luci
17:13 <cusco> so where is the game going to be
17:13 <cusco> tonight?
17:13 <spidey> i love luci
17:13 <spidey> ;x
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17:32 <wrtlprnft> cusco: on some lod itw server with two incompetent server admins
17:32 <wrtlprnft> you'll see it, the server name contains its share of colors
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17:44 <DrJoeTron> well that was weird
17:46 <DrJoeTron> too ansy to sleep X
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17:59 <spidey> hmm
17:59 <spidey> did bugfarm change to 8 play max?
17:59 <spidey> it's full with only 8
17:59 <spidey> actually there's 8 people in it and a 4 max lol
18:04 <philippeqc> got to move the computer
18:04 <philippeqc> be back later
18:04 <philippeqc> cya
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18:24 <wrtlprnft> ok, shooting doesn't work on my race server anymore, the svn update broke it
18:25 * wrtlprnft hopes pig will make a port of the latest code to the trunk
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18:39 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I have seen that server before its a small fiend isn't it?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> cusco: whcih one?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the ITW one?
18:40 <cusco> the lod inter tron server
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the server name is green and red
18:40 <wrtlprnft> and it's standard fortress settings
18:41 <wrtlprnft> that is, no shuffling up and no wall shrink
18:41 <wrtlprnft> that's why I'm saying the server admins are incompetent ;)
18:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5842 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: Added help strings for some new permanent settings and removed the now useless help strings for all the old HUD settings
18:42 <cusco> what is wall shrink?
18:43 <wrtlprnft> it makes your wall get a bit shorter as you use up rubber
18:43 <cusco> ahm! right
18:43 <wrtlprnft> see, if you hit someone else's tail at the very end you don't die since the wall will have been gone before you use up your rubber
18:44 <wrtlprnft> but that doesn't happen with your own tail since it stops disappearing as you hit it
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that's what wall shrink is for, to eliminate that difference
18:44 <cusco> ah :|
18:44 <cusco> yes yes
18:45 <wrtlprnft> and it makes defending easier
18:45 <cusco> I understand
18:45 <wrtlprnft> you can have your walls overlap just a bit and still don't die
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18:47 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know a way to get grep -r to not search hidden dirs?
18:48 <wrtlprnft> because as of now if i grep my svn arma checkout i get all results twice...
18:49 <cusco> dunno
18:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't see a way to make it ignore binary files either...
18:52 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: --exclude='.*'
18:53 <luke-jr_> | grep -v '^Binary files'
18:53 <luke-jr_> tho I prefer grep --exclude='.svn'
18:53 <wrtlprnft> thaks
18:53 <wrtlprnft> *thanks
18:54 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work tho
18:54 <wrtlprnft> grep bans.txt ../src -r --exclude=.svn
18:54 <luke-jr_> ...
18:54 <luke-jr_> I always put options first
18:54 <luke-jr_> especially when the manpage etc doesn't give you a choice
18:55 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work either
18:55 <wrtlprnft> grep -r --exclude='.svn' bans.txt ../src
18:55 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ grep --version ~/armagetronad3/zones/build2
18:55 <wrtlprnft> grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1
18:55 <wrtlprnft> yours?
18:55 <luke-jr_> same
18:55 <wrtlprnft> weird
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18:56 <luke-jr_> it's not working more me now either :/
18:56 <luke-jr_> used to
18:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:57 <wrtlprnft> doesn
18:57 <wrtlprnft> 't throw an error
18:57 <wrtlprnft> just includes the dirs
18:57 <luke-jr_> --exclude=PATTERN
18:57 <luke-jr_> Recurse in directories skip file matching PATTERN.
18:58 <wrtlprnft> i know
18:58 <wrtlprnft> just read that
18:58 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't it work then?
18:58 <wrtlprnft> bug?
18:58 <luke-jr_> maybe
19:01 <wrtlprnft> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2005-March/011905.html
19:02 <wrtlprnft> i guess i have to make an alias for that ugly find command
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19:12 <spidey> O.o
19:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:13 <spidey> ?
19:13 <wrtlprnft> 19:12 <spidey> O.o
19:13 <spidey> ...
19:14 <wrtlprnft> 19:12 <spidey> O.o <-- ?
19:14 <spidey> ?
19:14 <wrtlprnft> ...
19:14 <spidey> !?
19:15 * wrtlprnft gives up
19:16 * spidey wins
19:18 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what you won, but well
19:19 * wrtlprnft rewars spidey with a punch in the face
19:19 * wrtlprnft is soo mean!
19:19 * spidey drop kicks wrtlprnft in the nuts
19:19 <spidey> owned!
19:23 * wrtlprnft slaps spidey
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
19:29 <wrtlprnft> i'm stupid
19:29 <wrtlprnft> i just added my last commit to ph's private branch
19:30 <wrtlprnft> well, the extra documentation will have to wait until ph merges his stuff
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19:32 <wrtlprnft> i LOVE c++
19:33 <wrtlprnft> the addition i am about to commit was soo easy to do...
19:33 <spidey> i love armabot
19:33 <spidey> we're gonna make spideybots
19:33 <wrtlprnft> just make a bot that says "pwnt" every 5 minutes?
19:33 <spidey> it's pwned
19:34 <spidey> and every 2.5 minutes
19:40 <wrtlprnft> now, just as i wanted to test one last time before committing, it stopped working :(
19:42 <z-man> Well, that's lucky.
19:42 <z-man> My tests only fail after I commit
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it worked in ph's branch in which i accidently put it first
19:43 <wrtlprnft> then i put the same changes into the trunk and it stops working
19:45 <wrtlprnft> tTextFileRecorder the_file ( tDirectories::Var(), m_filename );
19:45 <wrtlprnft> while(!the_file.EndOfFile()) {
19:45 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << "read: " << the_file.GetLine() << std::endl;
19:45 <wrtlprnft> }
19:45 <wrtlprnft> z-man: this should work, right?
19:45 <z-man> yes, I'd say so.
19:45 <wrtlprnft> it only prints out "read: " one time even though the file contains multiple lines
19:46 <z-man> perhaps m_filename is wrong?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> well
19:47 <z-man> The same sequence of commands is working for the banfile reading.
19:47 <wrtlprnft> i let it print it out via cerr and it looks right
19:47 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that's where i got it from
19:48 <z-man> Hmm, I'm clueless.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> how do i get it to tell me the path it's trying to open a file from?
19:50 <z-man> You can activate the DEBUG_PATH preprocessor variable in tDirectories.cpp.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> thanks
19:52 <wrtlprnft> could it be a reason that the whole thing is happening inside a constructor?
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19:53 <z-man> No, not really.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i accidently committed some changes to the language file to your branch instead of to the trunk, I'll just wait for you to merge it instead of risking merge conflicts
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20:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ok
20:04 <madmax|pt> was newfie newbie?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> newbie is already online
20:05 <DrJoeTron> no
20:05 <DrJoeTron> newfie is invader
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20:29 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php wow the ITW is now a complete joke
20:30 <NARROW> that is sad
20:30 <wrtlprnft> omg
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 6v1
20:30 <Vanhayes> for themm to actually play the match is bad but for them to play it 6-1 is shamefull
20:30 <z-man> I'm out of it.
20:30 <wrtlprnft> and they won 102-48?!
20:30 <Vanhayes> lol
20:30 <z-man> At least, it should have been 5 vs 1.
20:31 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of losers
20:31 <z-man> That would be according to the original rule.
20:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: then sasha would have won
20:31 <z-man> hehe
20:31 <Vanhayes> sasha did pretty good I think
20:31 <wrtlprnft> that's what i say
20:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, i know what's wrong now
20:32 <luke-jr_> while(1);
20:32 <wrtlprnft> it's trying to read /home/mathias/.armagetronad/var/chat_history.txt
20:32 <wrtlprnft> while the code on the other end writes to /home/mathias/armagetronad3/spam/build2/var/chat_history.txt
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any ideas why? this is kinda weird. I'm running the thing with make run, so it shouldn't access ~/.armagetronad at all...
20:34 <z-man> Perhaps there's a fallback somewhere.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> so I can't run that in the constructor?
20:35 <z-man> Oh, wait, a STATIC constructor?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> *global constructor
20:35 <z-man> One belonging to a static object?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> no
20:35 <wrtlprnft> or, yes
20:35 <wrtlprnft> actually, it is
20:35 <z-man> ok, an object at global scope.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:35 <z-man> Ok, no, you can't run the code there then.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:36 <z-man> The command line hasn't been read and the directories haven't been set yet.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> what about a static child of a class?
20:36 <wrtlprnft> *member
20:36 <z-man> doesn't matter.
20:36 <cusco> who?
20:36 <cusco> who was playing 6 vs 1
20:36 <z-man> But you can do:
20:36 <cusco> and won 102-48 ?
20:36 <z-man> SomeObject & GetObject()
20:36 <z-man> {
20:36 <wrtlprnft> cusco: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php
20:36 <z-man> static SomeObject obj;
20:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know that
20:37 <z-man> return obj;
20:37 <z-man> ok
20:37 <wrtlprnft> guess that's what i need to do
20:38 <wrtlprnft> but it can be a static function, right? just to be sure because it still contains the word static
20:38 <wrtlprnft> *insert rant about static meaning 3 things here*
20:38 <philippeqc> hehe, I recognise that rant
20:38 <wrtlprnft> :D
20:39 <cusco> I see
20:39 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, it can be static
20:39 <z-man> the important point is that the first time it is called, your object is initialized, so that has to be after main() has started.
20:40 <z-man> We can't have the directories set earlier, because only then, command line arguments modifying them get available.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> now it works
20:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, i understand
20:40 <z-man> Perhaps it is possible to produce an error message.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> if the directories haven't been loaded yet?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> would be helpful
20:40 <z-man> yes.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> then, why did it work before? :S
20:41 <z-man> Magic!
20:41 <wrtlprnft> in philippeqc's branch
20:41 <wrtlprnft> guess so
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5843 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): The chat and console history are now remembered between restarts. They are written to var/console_history.txt and var/chat_history.txt.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> maybe z-man should boykott the next ITW match by blocking the server from the master ;)
20:48 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:48 <z-man> Heh, unfortunately, the redundancy makes this impossible.
20:48 <z-man> unless all master admins agree, of course.
20:48 <wrtlprnft> well, I'm sure you can convince Lucifer_arma to do the same
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that would make a 2:3 chance it won't appear
20:49 <z-man> And we can't delete it from the clients that already got it, which I assume would be most of the ones that are interested.
20:49 <z-man> We could, however, shoot it down :)
20:49 <wrtlprnft> shoot it down?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> we could just make lots of identical servers
20:51 <wrtlprnft> same name
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20:51 <luke-jr_> with better pings ;)
20:51 <wrtlprnft> with a faked player list
20:52 <luke-jr_> hehe
20:52 <wrtlprnft> so they always show around 12 players online
20:52 <luke-jr_> but it would give players a reason to fork the community :/
20:52 <wrtlprnft> including ady and that other guy
20:52 <wrtlprnft> 20:48 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:52 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: actually, just proxy stats requests to the real one...
20:52 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:52 <luke-jr_> so they have the exact same players
20:53 <wrtlprnft> stop giving me bad ideas, or I'll actually do that
20:53 <luke-jr_> I'd laugh
20:54 <z-man> Well, no, we need to react moderately.
20:54 <luke-jr_> actually
20:54 <luke-jr_> just connect two netcats together =p
20:54 <z-man> There are still players there who'd like to enjoy the tournament
20:54 <z-man> I think they have the right for that.
20:55 <wrtlprnft> as i'm saying the 3rd time now, i'm just kidding
20:55 <luke-jr_> z-man: can anyone enjoy it other than more-or-less-cheaters?
20:55 * luke-jr_ doesn't know enough about it to be serious =p
20:55 <z-man> Well, the USA-A1 match seemed to be fair.
20:56 <wrtlprnft> AFTER they changed the rules that threw us out
20:56 <z-man> sure
20:56 <z-man> and before they changed it back
20:56 <wrtlprnft> well
20:57 <wrtlprnft> they changed the rules, saw that they were too fair, and changed them back
20:57 <wrtlprnft> or they don't like russia as they didn't like nafta
20:57 <z-man> I'd rather think they just liked spain.
20:57 <wrtlprnft> though, if a country only shows up with one player, what do you want to do?
20:58 <z-man> At least make it 5 vs 1
20:58 <z-man> because russia registered with five
20:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah, they could have done that
20:58 <z-man> and five was announced as the minimum number of players
20:58 <z-man> they SHOULD have done that
20:58 <z-man> even according to the rule of the fist match
20:58 <wrtlprnft> true
20:58 <luke-jr_> maybe that 1 player really DID want to face all of them alone?
20:59 <z-man> remember, G was allowed to play with 7 because you registered with 7
20:59 <z-man> Somehow hard to believe.
20:59 <wrtlprnft> it is just stupid to assume that out of 7 players that registered a month ago 7 actually come
21:00 <wrtlprnft> they registered without even knowing the date and time for the match
21:00 <wrtlprnft> people have to work at that time in america
21:00 <wrtlprnft> some at least
21:00 <luke-jr_> they should let teams register with different concurrent-players and total-players
21:01 <luke-jr_> eg, 'we play with 5 players, but we have 10 different people who can play for us'
21:01 <wrtlprnft> but i actually like the fact that the match times were fixed
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that way you don't have the trouble of teams having to conact each other and their members and finding the best time
21:02 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I prefer a web interface where people can mark their best and worst times
21:02 <luke-jr_> and a script reading that and picking the most convenient
21:02 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: write one for our competition :)
21:02 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what competition is that? ;)
21:02 <luke-jr_> the one I'm planning out? =p
21:02 <wrtlprnft> the one we as the developers might plan in the future
21:03 <wrtlprnft> not the one with money
21:03 <wrtlprnft> the one with triathlon and the title screen prize
21:04 <wrtlprnft> i'd say the script should offer about three different dates about a week ahead and explicitly ask for the times that player can play those days
21:04 <wrtlprnft> so you don't have to care about rules like "well, i can play from 3PM to 11PM, but not on fridays and every 2nd monday"
21:04 <wrtlprnft> those rules are too unreliable
21:05 <Vanhayes> Only one member of the Russian team (Sasha) came to the server. Sasha was offered the opportunity to find other players for the Russian team, but this was declined. Sasha wanted to play the match single-handed against Spain, but after two matches decided it wasn't worth continuing.
21:05 <Vanhayes> that was at the top of the spain vs russia match page
21:05 <wrtlprnft> i need the chatlogs on that
21:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I was planning fixed day-of-week
21:05 <wrtlprnft> nah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't work
21:05 <luke-jr_> and title screen prize
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i tried that with the MBC team
21:06 <luke-jr_> note the draft I'm working on is for single-player tourney
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i got a table of times people could play at on different days, but it was just plain wrong in the end
21:06 <wrtlprnft> mine is for a team thing
21:07 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/tourney.html
21:07 <luke-jr_> current draft
21:08 <wrtlprnft> no stonehenge?
21:08 <luke-jr_> I haven't played that
21:08 <luke-jr_> maybe it will be in finals ;)
21:08 <luke-jr_> I only have 1 final thing done
21:09 <luke-jr_> the other 5 are just copies from first-part
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21:09 <wrtlprnft> actually that's quite nice
21:09 <wrtlprnft> what's inaktek?
21:09 <luke-jr_> one of Your_mom's
21:10 <luke-jr_> it's a rounded square
21:10 <luke-jr_> with smaller rounded squares inside
21:10 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
21:10 <luke-jr_> 8-axes
21:10 <luke-jr_> note players only need to play 3 of the 6
21:10 <luke-jr_> tho maybe I should make it 3 of 5, so two guys are guaranteed to play each other
21:11 <wrtlprnft> uh, where's the footnotes?
21:11 <luke-jr_> bottom?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> where?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i don't see them
21:12 <wrtlprnft> Gold Trophy image with name on title screen of the next** release of Armagetron Advanced
21:12 <luke-jr_> oh, didn't copy those yet I guess
21:12 <wrtlprnft> where's the ** text?
21:12 <luke-jr_> * S&H, PayPal, or Google Checkout fees will be taken out of all payouts.
21:12 <luke-jr_> ** Specifics of which release are left up to the project developers
21:12 <luke-jr_> *** Until moviepacks are supported as resources
21:12 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
21:12 <luke-jr_> it's a draft, obviously for putting it into practise, we need full devteam agreement on it
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i'd have no trouble with that
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i think it's even better than my idea
21:13 <luke-jr_> even with the optional entry fee stuff?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> so the money that isn't won goes to the dev team or to the pot for the next tournament?
21:14 <luke-jr_> well, first it goes to cover tourney costs
21:14 <luke-jr_> eg, PayPal/etc fees to receive $
21:14 <luke-jr_> and that kinda stuff
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i thought those were just counted out of the pot
21:15 <luke-jr_> nope
21:15 <Vanhayes> so if I dint pay anything and came in first place I would get .5% of the winnings?
21:15 <Vanhayes> didnt*
21:15 <wrtlprnft> yes methinks
21:16 <Vanhayes> #g .05% of 1000
21:16 <armabot> .05% of 1,000 = 0.5
21:16 <spidey> lol
21:16 <spidey> .05% ?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> .5%
21:17 <Vanhayes> lol woops
21:17 <wrtlprnft> #g .005 + 1000
21:17 <armabot> .005 + 1,000 = 1,000.005
21:17 <spidey> O.o
21:17 <Vanhayes> heh
21:17 <wrtlprnft> #g .005 * 1000
21:17 <wrtlprnft> that
21:17 <armabot> .005 * 1,000 = 5
21:17 <wrtlprnft> typo
21:17 <wrtlprnft> 5 bucks! yay!
21:18 <wrtlprnft> then i'd say you don't win anything, that's a joke
21:18 <Vanhayes> well 1000 in the pot is being optomistic
21:18 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:18 <Vanhayes> #g .005*200
21:18 <armabot> .005 * 200 = 1
21:18 <Vanhayes> heh
21:19 <spidey> i doubt the pot will get over $50
21:19 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ?
21:19 <spidey> O.o
21:19 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ??
21:19 <luke-jr_> then, if there's enough, we might want to pay referres and other stuff
21:19 <Vanhayes> #g .005*50
21:19 <armabot> .005 * 50 = 0.25
21:19 <Vanhayes> heh
21:19 <luke-jr_> #g .5*50
21:19 <armabot> .5 * 50 = 25
21:19 <wrtlprnft> don't take too much of the money for yourself or people won't pay
21:19 <luke-jr_> err
21:20 <luke-jr_> #g 5% * 50
21:20 <armabot> (5%) * 50 = 2.5
21:20 <luke-jr_> #g .5% * 50
21:20 <armabot> (.5%) * 50 = 0.25
21:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yeah, I've actually got an object that lets me spec out different %s with # of players
21:21 <Vanhayes> I would suggest if you payed 25$ you can get 50% if you win, 50% of the total winnings sound better than 30%
21:21 <luke-jr_> the barrier toward making a team-tourney draft is making that formula work with teams
21:21 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: 50% of total winnings for 1st place means about 225% total payout
21:21 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money the person paid)/(money in the pot)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:21 <wrtlprnft> and do that until 70% of the pot are gone
21:21 <wrtlprnft> then don't give out anymore money
21:22 <wrtlprnft> other way
21:22 <luke-jr_> lol
21:22 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)/(money the person paid)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:22 <wrtlprnft> no, still not :S
21:22 <luke-jr_> $2 for a $25 player in $100 match?
21:22 <luke-jr_> lol
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(number of players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <spidey> lol
21:23 <wrtlprnft> nooo
21:23 <luke-jr_> ROFL
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(number of players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(average amount of money paid by players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <luke-jr_> I GTG
21:23 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:23 <spidey> lmao
21:23 <luke-jr_> back in an hour or so I think
21:24 <luke-jr_> but if you want winners to get -$23 profits, you can convince them
21:24 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:24 <spidey> hahaha
21:25 <spidey> i would give something like $25 and not play, but i've almost got enough to get me a radeon ;x
21:25 <Vanhayes> hell just say winner gets 50% second gets 20% and third gets 10% then just say the pot was 20 bucks
21:25 <Vanhayes> regardless of what it is
21:25 <spidey> lol
21:26 <Vanhayes> though I guesss some mught consider that fraud
21:26 <Vanhayes> might*
21:27 <wrtlprnft> money just makes it complicated
21:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yes, but without money, I can't justify the trouble to organize it to my wife =p
21:31 <luke-jr_> and I'm not exactly making enough money from the server hosting yet to afford to host the tournament without it paying for that too
21:31 <luke-jr_> etc
21:31 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191161.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:31 <luke-jr_> and monetary winnings are more likely incentives than titlescreen pictures ;p
21:32 * Vanhayes_ should have joined all the ITW teams as different names
21:32 <luke-jr_> but like I said, I'm working on code to help determine an ideal method to do optional-money tournaments
21:32 <Vanhayes_> that way I would never lose
21:32 <Vanhayes_> if you make it optional most people wont pay
21:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: they will if they think they have a chance at winning
21:33 <wrtlprnft> well, if i win $5 I will donate it to armagetronad development
21:33 <luke-jr_> ...
21:33 <wrtlprnft> and i can't pay for it without a credit card, it seems
21:33 <luke-jr_> you *are* part of AA development =p
21:34 <Vanhayes_> ya alot of people are too young to own a credit card too
21:34 <wrtlprnft> no, i mean for the domainname
21:34 <wrtlprnft> etc
21:34 <luke-jr_> eh?
21:34 <luke-jr_> what domainname
21:34 <wrtlprnft> i won't go through the trouble of transferring the money from you to me
21:34 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad.net
21:35 <luke-jr_> we already have that...O.o
21:35 <wrtlprnft> well, it's an ongoing bill, right?
21:35 <spidey> you have to pay monthly duh
21:35 <luke-jr_> um
21:35 <wrtlprnft> yearly
21:35 <luke-jr_> no
21:35 <luke-jr_> lol
21:35 <spidey> well
21:35 <spidey> still have to pay ;p
21:35 <luke-jr_> I'll register a domain for you for $5/mo =p
21:35 <wrtlprnft> ?!
21:35 <spidey> #g 5*12
21:35 <armabot> 5 * 12 = 60
21:35 <spidey> !
21:36 <luke-jr_> ROFL
21:36 <wrtlprnft> now luke-jr_ is playing stupid
21:36 <luke-jr_> hey, he's the one who thought it was $5/mo
21:36 <wrtlprnft> I am not saying i wanna sponsor the domain name for one month
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for three months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for twelve months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for twelve months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for 1000 years, fine with me
21:36 <spidey> lol
21:37 <spidey> #g 724*12
21:37 <armabot> 724 * 12 = 8,688
21:37 <spidey> O.o
21:37 <spidey> we live off that a year
21:37 <spidey> ;x
21:39 <luke-jr_> O.o
21:39 <luke-jr_> when I worked at McDonalds, I made about $900/mo
21:39 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191161.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
21:39 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
21:39 <spidey> i'm to young to work at stores or places here
21:39 <spidey> my grandma's to old
21:39 <spidey> so we live off ssi
21:39 <spidey> ;x
21:39 <Vanhayes> arent u 17?
21:39 <spidey> not yet
21:39 <luke-jr_> heh
21:39 <Vanhayes> so 16
21:39 <luke-jr_> dumb gov't
21:40 <luke-jr_> I worked when i was like 14 =p
21:40 <spidey> it's not the gov
21:40 <Vanhayes> 16 is too young?
21:40 <spidey> it's the stores here
21:40 <luke-jr_> oh
21:40 <spidey> STORES
21:40 <spidey> BOATDOCKS
21:40 <luke-jr_> dumb stores
21:40 <spidey> i tried them all
21:40 <spidey> ;(
21:40 <luke-jr_> sue em
21:40 <spidey> haha
21:40 <spidey> hmmm
21:40 <luke-jr_> they're discriminating you on the basis of age
21:40 <luke-jr_> jerks
21:40 <spidey> can't afford a lower
21:40 <spidey> lawer
21:40 <spidey> w/e
21:40 <spidey> >.<
21:40 <luke-jr_> aww, they don't work for a %? =p
21:40 <luke-jr_> lol
21:40 <Vanhayes> think that might fall under child labour laws
21:40 <luke-jr_> anyway, I'm really gone this time
21:40 <luke-jr_> bbl
21:41 <spidey> cya
21:41 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a page written by them: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php (referring to your wiki comment)
21:43 <wrtlprnft> but i'd like real logs too, not some nicely written text by them
21:44 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: can you please state a source for your canada flag?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> on the image description page
21:45 <wrtlprnft> anyways, if it's an International TRON world cup, who says it has to be played with arma? there's GLTron too!
21:47 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: Would I just put that in the summary?
21:47 <Vanhayes> er where is image discription page?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: click on the image
21:58 <wrtlprnft> and edit it
22:00 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, i just got kicked from CTWF because i was inactive too long (something took longer than I thought), but now I got banned for two minutes. Could that be fixed so you can't get banned for inactivity kicks? If you rejoin you're obviously active again
22:00 * wrtlprnft feels bad about waking z-man all the time
22:00 <z-man> Yes, this sounds feasible.
22:01 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> I am STILL banned for 2 minutes?!
22:02 <wrtlprnft> what does the "at least" mean anyways?
22:08 <z-man> You shouldn't retry too often :)
22:11 <spidey> z-man, ady has a place he posts results doesn't he?
22:12 <spidey> z-man
22:12 <spidey> i got your proof
22:12 <spidey> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php
22:12 <spidey> :p
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with http
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:43:44] <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a page written by them: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php (referring to your wiki comment)
22:13 <spidey> lies >.<
22:13 <wrtlprnft> i posted that long ago
22:13 * spidey notes he never scrolls up
22:13 <spidey> :p
22:13 * wrtlprnft can see that
22:14 <spidey> >.<
22:16 * Vanhayes notes he posted that link before either of you
22:17 <spidey> lies!
22:17 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with http
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: [13:30:03] <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php wow the ITW is now a complete joke
22:17 <spidey> that bot lies
22:21 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/ guess they arent going to use the even players rule
22:22 <Vanhayes> uk-8 A2-4
22:23 <spidey> maxwill pwn them ;x
22:23 <Vanhayes> well going by scores A2 is winning, but who knows wht the round wins score is
22:30 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B960F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:30 <spidey> ya
22:31 <spidey> Vanhayes, a2 is winning by 20 points
22:31 <spidey> not sure what match though
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BBCA1.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:34 <spidey> A2 just won a match O.o
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *josh* hi
22:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <spidey> yay
22:41 <spidey> a2 got another player
22:41 <spidey> ;x
22:41 <spidey> and it's 1-0 so a2 is whooping there asses 7vs4 O.o
22:45 <spidey> meh
22:46 <spidey> even if nafta would have beat germany, a2 would have killed us
22:46 <spidey> ;x
23:08 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
23:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ghableska> O_o
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *e* haha! your name contains an e, mine doesn't!
23:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:11 <wrtlprnft> #tell *e* test
23:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I haven't seen *e*, I'll let you do the telling.
23:11 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:11 <cusco> Im feeling like I should go out
23:13 <wrtlprnft> then go?
23:13 <cusco> of the game
23:14 <Vanhayes> whats the score?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> ahh, I'll get some nice name and enter for fun
23:14 * Vanhayes pokes wrtlprnft for sending stupid messages
23:18 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
23:19 <Vanhayes> hmm why doesnt armabot want to talk to me
23:19 <Vanhayes> #later tell *f* haha! your name contains an f, mine doesn't!
23:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
23:20 <Vanhayes> armabot list
23:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
23:20 <spidey> #later tell *V* haha! your name contains an V, mine doesn't
23:20 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
23:20 <cusco> #CIA
23:20 -!- Vanhayes is now known as _anhayes
23:20 <cusco> what is cia?
23:20 <_anhayes> #list CIA
23:20 <armabot> _anhayes: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
23:21 <_anhayes> noy sure
23:21 <_anhayes> not*
23:21 <cusco> #cia describe
23:21 <armabot> cusco: (cia describe <shortname>) -- Describes the handler given by shortname.
23:21 <cusco> #cia describe _anhayes
23:21 <armabot> cusco: _anhayes not found. Sorry.
23:21 <_anhayes> #cia describe commit
23:21 <armabot> _anhayes: commit not found. Sorry.
23:22 <cusco> looks like some info script
23:22 <_anhayes> #listhandlers
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
23:22 <cusco> #cia listhandlers
23:22 <armabot> cusco: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
23:22 -!- NARROW [n=Miranda@p54B03389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"]
23:22 <cusco> lol
23:22 <_anhayes> #describe armabotupdater
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
23:22 <_anhayes> #describe wikiupdater
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: wikiupdater: Matches on '/www/wiki', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatewiki
23:23 * _anhayes has no idea what any of these are for
23:24 <_anhayes> armabot list alias
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
23:24 <_anhayes> #q
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
23:24 <_anhayes> #help log
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: (log <text>) -- Logs <text> to the global Supybot log at critical priority. Useful for marking logfiles for later searching.
23:24 <_anhayes> #insight
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: The rapid litigation of censorship will undermine all hope for computer literacy.
23:25 <_anhayes> #help armaconfig
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig re
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: ARENA_AXES: In how many directions a cycle can turn 4 is the default, 6 is hexatron || ARENA_AXES_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when ARENA_AXES differs from its default? || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: Screen resolution || BOOKMARK_0_ADDRESS: Server adress of the 1st server bookmark || BOOKMARK_10_ADDRESS: Server adress of the (19 more messages)
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig respawn
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig invu
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME: Time in seconds a cycle is invulnerable after a respawn.
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5844 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWall.cpp gWall.h):
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: Added the possibility to make "snapshots" of the current wall end data; it is
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: stored in one of the coord_ entries and not touched on further updates. Hmm,
23:26 <armabot> armagetronad: this would also give a slightly better cycle position history with the right
23:26 <armabot> armagetronad: query functions.
23:28 <_anhayes> #help digg
23:28 <armabot> _anhayes: (digg <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://digg.com/rss/index.xml".
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5845 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Used new wall end position snapshots to make wall time extrapolation more accurate, especially while rubber is being used.
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Rubberless deaths replaced with instant rubber usage that lets the cycle survive if the trails are short compared to rubber, as is often the case on race type servers. Groundpig, this is for you :)
23:30 <cusco> groundpig
23:31 <_anhayes> hmm he isnt here unless he is using another name
23:31 <cusco> 2-2
23:32 <z-man> and he'd also need to wait for it to be merged into trunk.
23:37 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-215-124.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5846 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gWall.cpp gWall.h): (log message trimmed)
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5840 to 5845:
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: r5845 | z-man | 2006-07-27 23:29:12 +0200 (Thu, 27 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: Used new wall end position snapshots to make wall time extrapolation more accurate, especially while rubber is being used.
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: Rubberless deaths replaced with instant rubber usage that lets the cycle survive if the trails are short compared to rubber, as is often the case on race type servers. Groundpig, this is for you :)
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:45 <cusco> 88 - 86
23:46 <cusco> topman in play - madmax
23:48 <cusco> uk won match 3
23:48 <wrtlprnft> uk won
23:48 <wrtlprnft> stupid
23:48 * cusco is going to start crying
23:48 <wrtlprnft> A2 were the real winners
23:48 <cusco> it was everything on until I joinned :|
23:49 <cusco> on/ok
23:49 <cusco> :(
23:49 <cusco> so .. a2 doesn't get to play anymore
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a ore likely explanation for the ITW
23:50 <wrtlprnft> cusco: CIA: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
23:50 <wrtlprnft> it tracks all our commits and resource uploads
23:50 <wrtlprnft> and armabot shows them for us
23:50 <cusco> right...
23:51 <cusco> Lucifer_arma: whats a *ore*
23:51 <wrtlprnft> commits = changes to armagetronad and support code
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's the raw form of iron
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's also more -m
23:52 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I got it.. lol thanks
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'll wait 'till z-man appears, I don't want to post it :)
23:59 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-207-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
23:59 <madmax|pt> hi
Log from 2006-07-28:
--- Day changed Fri Jul 28 2006
00:00 <wrtlprnft> hi and good nicght
00:00 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:00 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:00 <madmax|pt> good night
00:01 <cusco> madmax|pt: top man in the game
00:01 <madmax|pt> not really
00:02 <madmax|pt> it was a good game
00:02 <madmax|pt> too bad we player 7vs4 at first then 7vs5
00:02 <madmax|pt> i guess we did pretty good
00:02 <madmax|pt> *played
00:02 <cusco> I din't :|
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what I'm saying, A2 is the real winner
00:02 <cusco> actually.. since I joinned in.. we started losing!
00:03 <madmax|pt> lol
00:03 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I drink to that
00:04 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50874510.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
00:06 <madmax|pt> oh well...
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5219540.stm
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> better outlaw the sun!
00:13 <madmax|pt> anyone has 2020's msn contact? if he uses it that is
00:22 <cusco> hu?!
00:35 <luke-jr_> back
00:36 <spidey> go back away!
00:36 <spidey> ;x
00:36 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: any more insightful ideas? maybe give 2nd place 25 cents if they put in $25? ;)
00:37 <spidey> hahaha
00:37 <spidey> when are you planning on doing this?
00:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: shrug, when I get the specs all sane
00:38 <spidey> 2 months?
00:38 <luke-jr_> hopefully sooner ;)
00:38 <luke-jr_> it needs to be polled to see potential player base, and ratified by the full dev team also
00:38 <luke-jr_> so it might end up being 2 months
00:39 <spidey> was gonna say,i'll probably have enough in 2 months to get me radeon,i'd give what was left in paypal to the pot seeing as it's going for dev ;x
00:39 <luke-jr_> Radeon 9200 or 9250 is best
00:39 <_anhayes> madmax|pt: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Anarchic_wanderers thats the contact info 2020 gave. no msn tho
00:39 <luke-jr_> ;p
00:39 <spidey> i'm getting 9250
00:40 <spidey> 256mb video ram
00:40 <spidey> =p~
00:40 <luke-jr_> ah
00:40 <luke-jr_> 9250 is hard to come by these days
00:40 <spidey> joe found me one
00:40 <spidey> sec
00:40 <luke-jr_> there might be a good reason
00:42 <spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131411
00:42 <spidey> there it is
00:42 <spidey> ;x
00:42 <madmax|pt> thanks (V)anhayes, i wanted the msn one :)
00:42 <_anhayes> heh cant help you there
00:42 * spidey notes when _anhayes changes his name to vanhayes he's going to get pm's ;x
00:43 <_anhayes> or wait un till someone like deja_vu says something
00:43 <spidey> hahaha
00:45 <luke-jr_> :x
00:45 <luke-jr_> technically, I only have a 9000 o.o
00:45 <luke-jr_> cuz AGP 8x doesn't work on my PC
00:45 <luke-jr_> and that's the only diff between 9000 and 9200
00:46 <spidey> i'm getting the pci version
00:46 <spidey> i don't have a agp slot
00:46 <spidey> BUT
00:46 <spidey> where the agp slot goes
00:46 <spidey> there's a place where you can soldier one in
00:46 <spidey> thanks dell!
00:48 <spidey> btw great match madmax|pt
00:49 <madmax|pt> yep, was cool
00:50 <spidey> uk sucks so bad
00:50 <spidey> lol
00:50 <spidey> 4vs7 and they where struggling to keep up
00:52 <madmax|pt> they didnt struggle enough on the first 2, which we won
00:52 <madmax|pt> we got sloppy i guess
00:53 <spidey> heh
00:56 <madmax|pt> btw, go bitch with ady and his tournament somewhere else during matches
00:57 <madmax|pt> it's annoying
00:57 <spidey> i was just watching at first,but then wrtl came and said something so i had to ;D
01:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: you know, if you only have PCI, there *may* be better cards than Radeons
01:09 <luke-jr_> or you might be able to get a cheaper Radeon without missing much
01:10 <spidey> it's $74 plus 2 different people have told me it's the best pci card
01:10 <spidey> so i'll try it
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01:13 <Your_mom_arma> Is luci on?
01:13 <spidey> he's trying to re-take-over hell
01:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, stole it again
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01:22 <Your_mom_arma> Well i made a judgment call and gave a 1 day ban to two people on the wiki
01:23 <deja_vu> _anhayes: something
01:24 <deja_vu> spidey: die :P
01:24 <spidey> did it pm you?
01:24 <spidey> lol
01:24 <deja_vu> no
01:24 <spidey> "
01:25 <deja_vu> i did not get any pms from armabot that waste my precious time ;)
01:26 <spidey> #tell deja_vu now you do
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, what's up mom?
01:26 <spidey> O.o
01:26 <deja_vu> :(
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I'm sort of kicking around, what's up?
01:28 <Your_mom_arma> well i was gonna let you decide if it was worthy of banning these two guys on the wiki
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> i just gave em a 1 day ban
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> which guys?
01:29 -!- _anhayes is now known as vanhayes
01:29 <vanhayes> test
01:30 <vanhayes> heh
01:30 <spidey> you get a pm?
01:30 <vanhayes> nope
01:30 <spidey> :/
01:30 <spidey> #notes
01:30 <armabot> spidey: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, and unknown.
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> alex and infamous for posting stuff like vagina and penis after each others names
01:30 <spidey> ?
01:30 <vanhayes> its #later tell spidey not #tell
01:30 <spidey> lol
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> infamous being the guy that was having that fight about ingame admins on tank's server?
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> for stuff like that I usually do a few days/whole week ban "to cool off"
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> and if they start up again after the ban expires, then it should become permanent. :)
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02:05 -!- vanhayes is now known as Vanhayes
02:05 <Vanhayes> test
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02:47 <Lucifer_arma> this chicken has been marinading for 3 days, I hope it's good
02:47 <spidey> #g supercalafragalisticexpealadocious
02:48 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:48 * Lucifer_arma wonders if spidey spelled that right
02:48 <spidey> Vanhayes, my name doesn't contain a f ass :p
02:48 <spidey> bot> Sent 41 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> haha! your name contains an f, mine doesn't!
02:49 <spidey> did i spell it right?
02:49 <spidey> #dict supercalafragalisticexpealadocious
02:49 <armabot> spidey: No definition for "supercalafragalisticexpealadocious" could be found.
02:49 <spidey> :/
02:49 <spidey> guess not
02:49 <Vanhayes> how is that math?
02:49 <spidey> it's not
02:49 <Vanhayes> why the #g?
02:49 <spidey> accident
02:50 <spidey> how does my name contain a f!?
02:50 <spidey> #list google
02:50 <armabot> spidey: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:50 <Vanhayes> o ya I had that your name contains an f, mine doesn't copied and i forgot to change it
02:50 <spidey> #google spell supercalafragalisticexpealadocious
02:50 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:50 <Vanhayes> changed the *dey* but not thr f
02:50 <Vanhayes> lol
02:51 <Vanhayes> it was too whaked out
02:51 <Vanhayes> whacked*
02:51 <spidey> #alias add spell "google spell $*"
02:51 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
02:51 <spidey> #spell supercalafragalisticexpealadocious
02:51 <armabot> spidey: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Alias, Google, and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
02:51 <spidey> umm....
02:51 <spidey> oh
02:51 <spidey> #alias remove spell
02:51 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
02:52 <spidey> #alias add sc "google spell $*"
02:52 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
02:52 <spidey> #sc supercalafragalisticexpealadocious
02:52 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:52 <Vanhayes> sc?
02:52 <spidey> yay ;x
02:52 <spidey> spellcheck
02:52 <spidey> duh!
02:53 <Vanhayes> why not just s?
02:53 <spidey> hmm
02:53 <spidey> #sc supercalafragalisticexpealadoci
02:53 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:53 <spidey> ???
02:53 <spidey> #sc spdey
02:54 <armabot> spidey: spidey
02:54 <spidey> ;D
02:54 <Vanhayes> #sc vn
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:54 <spidey> owned
02:54 <Vanhayes> #sc ven
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:54 <Vanhayes> #sc vin
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
02:54 <Vanhayes> #sc hyes
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: hayes
02:54 <Vanhayes> heh
02:54 <spidey> lol
02:54 <mkzelda> svn
02:55 * spidey trips mkzelda
02:55 <mkzelda> hey
02:55 <spidey> hi
02:55 <spidey> #list
02:55 <armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:55 <spidey> #list web
02:55 <armabot> spidey: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
02:55 <Vanhayes> #echo /nick test
02:55 <armabot> /nick test
02:55 <Vanhayes> heh
02:56 <spidey> #heko netcraft
02:56 <Vanhayes> #echo failed
02:56 <armabot> failed
02:56 <spidey> #help netcraft
02:56 <armabot> spidey: (netcraft <hostname|ip>) -- Returns Netcraft.com's determination of what operating system and webserver is running on the host given.
02:56 <Vanhayes> #netcraft
02:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: (netcraft <hostname|ip>) -- Returns Netcraft.com's determination of what operating system and webserver is running on the host given.
02:56 <spidey> #netcraft spidey.no-ip.org
02:56 <spidey> ?
02:56 <Vanhayes> wait for it
02:56 <armabot> spidey: timed out
02:56 <Vanhayes> lol
02:56 <spidey> O.o
02:57 <spidey> #netcraft fallin-angels.com
02:57 <Vanhayes> #netcraft www.armagetronad.net
02:57 <armabot> spidey: http://fallin-angels.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 28-Jul-2006 00:57:30 GMT
02:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.armagetronad.net was running Apache on unknown when last queried at 28-Jul-2006 00:57:36 GMT
02:57 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:57 <spidey> #list
02:57 <armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:57 <spidey> #list games
02:57 <armabot> spidey: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
02:58 <spidey> #list unix
02:58 <armabot> spidey: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
02:58 <spidey> #crypt
02:58 <armabot> spidey: (crypt <password> [<salt>]) -- Returns the resulting of doing a crypt() on <password> If <salt> is not given, uses a random salt. If running on a glibc2 system, prepending '$1$' to your salt will cause crypt to return an MD5sum based crypt rather than the standard DES based crypt.
02:58 <spidey> #crypt spideyman
02:58 <armabot> spidey: /Z/Oe/zrgpsQY
02:58 <Vanhayes> #crypt Vanhayes
02:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Dhki1l4WSgjsI
02:58 <Vanhayes> heh
02:58 <spidey> #help unix spell
02:58 <armabot> spidey: (unix spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
02:59 <spidey> #unix spell supercalafragalisticexpealadoc
02:59 <armabot> spidey: I could not find an alternate spelling for "supercalafragalisticexpealadoc"
02:59 <spidey> !
02:59 <Vanhayes> #unix spell speel
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "speel": spell, spiel, sepal, Peel, peel, speer, speed, steel, spill, spoil, spool, speller, Spiegel, Pele, supple, Perl, spew, spree, suppl, and repel.
02:59 <spidey> lol
02:59 <Vanhayes> #unix spell Vanhayes
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "Vanhayes": Vanya's, Tanhya's, Vantages, Hayes, Vanes, Janaye's, Vandykes, Vanishes, Vantage's, Vania's, Vanna's, Vanny's, Vanda's, Vandals, Vanya, Inhales, and Vane's.
02:59 <Vanhayes> heh vandykes
02:59 <spidey> #vantages?
02:59 <spidey> er
03:00 -!- spidey is now known as vandykes
03:00 <vandykes> ;x
03:00 -!- Vanhayes is now known as Dhki1l4WSgjsI
03:00 <vandykes> lol
03:00 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #dick hayes
03:00 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> lol
03:00 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #dict Hayes
03:00 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: wn, gazetteer, foldoc, and gaz-county responded: gazetteer: Hayes, SD Zip code(s): 57537 Hayes, VA Zip code(s): 23072; foldoc: Hayes A {modem} manufacturer. {(gopher://leapfrog.almac.co.uk:70/00/business/comms/hayes/corporat.txt)}. Address: Atlanta, Georgia, USA. (1995-01-30); wn: Hayes n 1: acclaimed actress of stage and screen (born in 1900) [syn: {Helen Hayes}] 2: (2 more messages)
03:01 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #more
03:01 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: 19th President of the United States; his administration removed federal troops from the South and so ended the Reconstruction Period (1822-1893) [syn: {Rutherford B. Hayes}, {Rutherford Birchard Hayes}, {President Hayes}]; gaz-county: Hayes -- U.S. County in Nebraska Population (2000): 1068 Housing Units (2000): 526 Land area (2000): 713.114297 sq. miles (1846.957473 sq. km) Water (1 more message)
03:01 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #more
03:01 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: area (2000): 0.220382 sq. miles (0.570786 sq. km) Total area (2000): 713.334679 sq. miles (1847.528259 sq. km) Located within: Nebraska (NE), FIPS 31 Location: 40.516243 N, 101.081310 W Headwords: Hayes Hayes, NE Hayes County Hayes County, NE
03:01 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #wikipedia Van Hayes
03:01 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: Search took 0.57 seconds: Karen Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Hayes>; Hayes Carll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Carll>; Samuel J. Tilden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J._Tilden>; Samuel J. Tilden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (3 more messages)
03:01 <vandykes> #sc gysr
03:01 <armabot> vandykes: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
03:01 <vandykes> #sc gyser
03:01 <armabot> vandykes: geyser
03:01 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> unix is better
03:02 <vandykes> #unix spell gysr
03:02 <armabot> vandykes: Possible spellings for "gysr": geyser, gust, Gus, gays, guys, gyro, yrs, Gr, Sr, gars, gr, gs, Gar, gar, gyms, gyps, Guss, gist, yr, G's, GSA, g's, gas, gos, Gypsy, gear, gypsy, NYSE, gayer, gush, guyer, gyve, Myst, cyst, guise, Gusta, Gusti, Gusty, geysers, guest, gusto, gusty, Ger, gym, gyp, mys, and sys.
03:02 <vandykes> #alias remove sc
03:02 <armabot> vandykes: The operation succeeded.
03:02 <vandykes> #check
03:02 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #google fight Dhki1l4WSgjsI vandykes
03:02 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: vandykes: 198000, Dhki1l4WSgjsI: 0
03:02 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> heh
03:02 <vandykes> #help check
03:02 <armabot> vandykes: Error: There is no command "check".
03:03 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #list alias
03:03 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:03 <vandykes> #alias add check "unix spell $*"
03:03 <armabot> vandykes: The operation succeeded.
03:03 <Dhki1l4WSgjsI> #check speel
03:03 <armabot> Dhki1l4WSgjsI: Possible spellings for "speel": spell, spiel, sepal, Peel, peel, speer, speed, steel, spill, spoil, spool, speller, Spiegel, Pele, supple, Perl, spew, spree, suppl, and repel.
03:03 <vandykes> spew?
03:03 -!- Dhki1l4WSgjsI is now known as Vanhayes
03:04 <Vanhayes> #help spam
03:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "spam".
03:04 <Vanhayes> good
03:04 <Vanhayes> #list
03:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:04 <vandykes> #list alias
03:04 <armabot> vandykes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:04 <Vanhayes> #help svn
03:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: (svn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )".
03:05 <Vanhayes> #list config
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: channel, config, default, export, help, list, reload, and search
03:05 <Vanhayes> #help search
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
03:05 <vandykes> #list time
03:05 <armabot> vandykes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
03:05 <Vanhayes> #search time
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: supybot.reply.format.time, supybot.reply.format.time.elapsed, supybot.reply.format.time.elapsed.short, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.timestamp, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.timestamp.format, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.filenameTimestamp, supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.directories.timestamp, supybot.plugins.Google.state.time, supybot.plugins.Misc.timestampFormat, (1 more message)
03:05 <vandykes> #help at
03:05 <armabot> vandykes: (at <time string>) -- Returns the number of seconds since epoch <time string> is. <time string> can be any number of natural formats; just try something and see if it will work.
03:05 <Vanhayes> gah
03:05 <vandykes> wtf is epoch?
03:05 <Vanhayes> #at 1:00
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1153980000
03:06 <vandykes> #at Vanhayes
03:06 <armabot> vandykes: 1153976400
03:06 <Vanhayes> #at 5/4/2
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1020488400
03:06 <vandykes> lol
03:06 <Vanhayes> #at 0
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:06 <Vanhayes> ha
03:06 <Vanhayes> #at 0.1
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
03:06 <Vanhayes> #at 78
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: 270363600
03:06 <Vanhayes> #at 1
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1151730000
03:06 <Vanhayes> I dont understand that
03:06 <vandykes> #help ctime
03:06 <armabot> vandykes: (ctime [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the ctime for <seconds since epoch>, or the current ctime if no <seconds since epoch> is given.
03:06 <Vanhayes> #google mcspiddles
03:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.18 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
03:06 <vandykes> #wtf is epoch
03:06 <armabot> vandykes: epoch: nothing appropriate
03:07 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia epoch
03:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.49 seconds: Unix time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_timestamp>; Epoch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch>; Epoch (reference date) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_(reference_date)>; Epoch (astronomy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
03:07 <Vanhayes> er
03:07 <Vanhayes> #dict epoch
03:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: wn, foldoc, jargon, gcide, and moby-thes responded: moby-thes: 20 Moby Thesaurus words for "epoch": Bronze Age, Dark Ages, Depression Era, Golden Age, Ice Age, Iron Age, Jacksonian Age, Middle Ages, New Deal Era, Prohibition Era, Silver Age, Steel Age, Stone Age, age, days, era, glacial epoch, interval, term, time; wn: epoch n 1: a period marked by distinctive character or (13 more messages)
03:07 <Vanhayes> ya I think they are periods of time
03:08 <vandykes> hm
03:08 <vandykes> did i leave?
03:08 <Vanhayes> ?
03:08 <vandykes> * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
03:08 <vandykes> * Disconnected ().
03:09 <Vanhayes> didnt show here
03:10 <Vanhayes> and if you had you wouldnt have been vandykes once you entered
03:10 * vandykes loves psybnc
03:10 <vandykes> ;x
03:14 <vandykes> hmm
03:42 <luke-jr_> vandykes: epoch is a fixed date and time
03:42 <luke-jr_> #ctime 0
03:42 <armabot> luke-jr_: Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969
03:42 <vandykes> ?
03:42 <vandykes> #ctime 1
03:42 <armabot> vandykes: Wed Dec 31 18:00:01 1969
03:42 <vandykes> #ctime 200
03:42 <armabot> vandykes: Wed Dec 31 18:03:20 1969
03:42 <vandykes> hmmm
03:43 <luke-jr_> armabot's epoch is Dec 31, 1969 at 6 PM
03:43 <luke-jr_> unspecified time zone
03:43 <vandykes> what happened then?
03:43 <luke-jr_> computers were invented?
03:43 <vandykes> #google Wed Dec 31 18:00:01 1969
03:43 <armabot> vandykes: Search took 0.45 seconds: Re: Bug #672: timestamp() converts timezone in wrong direction: <http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-bugs/2002-07/msg00117.php>; Conference Center: <http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/public/read/porch/61>; Neohapsis Archives - OpenBSD - #2090 - System date reset to 1969 ...: <http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2005-06/2090.html>; PHP Archives: (2 more messages)
03:45 <luke-jr_> BTW, you remember y2k?
03:45 <vandykes> ya the computers not reseting the 0's thing
03:45 <luke-jr_> y2k was trivial compared to 2038
03:45 <vandykes> what's 2038?
03:45 <luke-jr_> epoch + maxint
03:46 <luke-jr_> 2147483647 is the maximum integer (32-bit) -- the unit used for keeping the system time
03:46 <luke-jr_> #ctime 2147483647
03:46 <armabot> luke-jr_: Mon Jan 18 21:14:07 2038
03:47 <luke-jr_> after that second, it resets to -2147483648
03:47 <luke-jr_> #ctime -2147483648
03:47 <armabot> luke-jr_: Fri Dec 13 14:45:52 1901
03:47 <vandykes> so we'll be cowboys again?
03:47 <vandykes> >.<
03:47 <luke-jr_> nope
03:47 <luke-jr_> not even that
03:47 <luke-jr_> we'll have a nuclear winter
03:47 <vandykes> !?
03:47 <luke-jr_> all the bombs will go crazy with the time change
03:47 <luke-jr_> and launch themselves
03:48 <vandykes> fuck that
03:48 <luke-jr_> lol
03:48 <vandykes> i'm moving to the north pole
03:48 <luke-jr_> you're moving to a pile of ice?
03:48 <vandykes> why not? the bombs won't get me there >.<
03:48 <luke-jr_> you sure? ;)
03:48 <vandykes> i'll invent pengiunnet
03:49 <Vanhayes> #google penguinnet
03:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.50 seconds: PenguinNet: <http://www.penguinnet.com/>; PenguinNet Computer Services: <http://www.penguinnet.com/beginner.php>; Antwerp Internet Services - Ohio (1 - 30) OH Yellow Pages: <http://internet.addresses.com/yp_category_search/computers~and~internet/internet~services/54/3/antwerp,OH/20071.html>; PenguinNet ?: (3 more messages)
03:49 <vandykes> :/
03:49 <luke-jr_> based on RFC 1149?
03:49 <vandykes> lol
03:49 <vandykes> so
03:50 <vandykes> i have
03:50 <luke-jr_> #g RFC 1149
03:50 <vandykes> 32 years to live!?
03:50 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:50 <luke-jr_> yeah
03:50 <luke-jr_> plenty of time, right?
03:50 <vandykes> gay
03:50 <Vanhayes> #wtf is RFC
03:50 <luke-jr_> #google RFC 1149
03:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: RFC: request for comments
03:50 <armabot> luke-jr_: Search took 0.31 seconds: Network Working Group D. Waitzman Request for Comments: 1149 BBN ...: <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt>; Bergen Linux User Group: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/>; Bergen Linux User Group - RFC 1149 implementation writeup: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup.html>; RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian ...: (2 more messages)
03:50 <luke-jr_> RFC = internet standard protocol
03:50 <luke-jr_> #google "RFC 1149"
03:50 <armabot> luke-jr_: Search took 0.28 seconds: Network Working Group D. Waitzman Request for Comments: 1149 BBN ...: <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt>; Bergen Linux User Group: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/>; Bergen Linux User Group - RFC 1149 implementation writeup: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup.html>; RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian ...: (2 more messages)
03:50 <luke-jr_> #google "RFC1149"
03:50 <armabot> luke-jr_: Search took 0.24 seconds: RFC 1149 ( rfc1149 ) - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams ...: <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html>; Network Working Group D. Waitzman Request for Comments: 1149 BBN ...: <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt>; Bergen Linux User Group: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/>; Album: bilder: (2 more messages)
03:51 <luke-jr_> #g 32 + 21
03:51 <armabot> 32 + 21 = 53
03:51 <luke-jr_> hey, I'll be 53-- screw life by then =p
03:51 <vandykes> #g 32+16
03:51 <armabot> 32 + 16 = 48
03:51 <vandykes> gay!
03:51 <vandykes> i wanna live atleast 10 more years than that!
03:51 <Vanhayes> heh ill be 50 right on
03:52 <Vanhayes> #google "Mon Jan 18 21:14:07 2038"
03:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.28 seconds: David Fries - Year 2038 Date Problem: <http://david.fries.net/thoughts/year2038.php>; [Samba] pdbedit not working as documented: <http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-August/109250.html>; [Samba] pdbedit not working as documented: <http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-August/109248.html>; Blockstar News: (2 more messages)
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna live forever
04:09 <vandykes> ok cher
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not cher! I'm hotter than she is
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> of course, a fresh, smelly turd is hotter than she is
04:12 <vandykes> haha
04:12 -!- vandykes is now known as spidey
04:12 <spidey> #night
04:13 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha! I figured out what a budget is
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04:57 <spidey> the amount of money you get in 12 months?
05:03 <spidey> ok really goiing to bed now >.<
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, a budget is a set goal on the net change in balance in an account
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> so, it's the derivative :)
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> over an interval, can't forget that part
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06:29 <Lucifer_arma> PENGUINS DON'T LIVE IN THE NORTH POLE
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> er
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
06:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh really? wow
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07:42 <Lucifer_arma> ho hum, more monologue
07:44 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:44 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: "The suit into which the man's body had been stuffed looked || as if it's only purpose in life was to demonstrate how || difficult it was to get this sort of body into a suit. "
07:44 * wrtlprnft breaks Lucifer_arma's monologue
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> you killed me on sumo!
07:44 <wrtlprnft> haha
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in there as blaze, I wonder if anybody will figure out I'm not
07:48 <wrtlprnft> :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I need to include team name in my namepicker
08:06 <mkzelda> how do i enable vsync for recording?
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> VSYNC_FOR_RECORDING 1 ?
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:12 <wrtlprnft> what the fuck?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> z-man protected my name
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know when, I didn't know about it
08:12 <wrtlprnft> grrrrrr
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey stumbled across it when namepicker picked it :)
08:12 <wrtlprnft> someone protect mine!
08:12 <wrtlprnft> and spideys!
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's why my namepicker file now has Lucifur instead :)
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's ok, I need to be studying anyway
08:14 <wrtlprnft> i'm banned for at least 8 minutes now, darn thing
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> smoke a cigarette
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how did you setup the name protection you've got there on bugfarm?
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
08:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
08:16 <z-man> hehe
08:16 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I've got a script that scans ladderlog.txt for joins and renames
08:16 <z-man> and if it sees anything fishy, it kicks.
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> and it just hooks up to arma with a pipe?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> like ./myscript.sh | armagetronad-dedicated ?
08:18 <z-man> sort of, I wouldn't be able to pass it any manual commands then
08:18 <wrtlprnft> it could write to arma's vt too
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> you know, you've got some cool stuff on there, it'd be nice if it were generalized and shipped with the game
08:19 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know how easy it would be, or if it's even worth anybody's time
08:19 <z-man> I'll see if i can wrap it up, but I promised that some time ago, so don't count on it :)
08:19 <wrtlprnft> kicking me is not worth anybody's time
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> don't change your name to a protected name :)
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to look at the source at least. Last time I tried to connect something to arma with a pipe, arma just hung. This was with 0.2.7.0 though, long time ago
08:21 <z-man> Of course, Lucifer's name protection was just a test. Since it wasn't requested, I can easily remove it any time :)
08:21 <wrtlprnft> how would I know your name was protected?
08:21 <z-man> If you see someone else renaming to Lucifer2, then leaving immediately :)
08:21 <z-man> Or if you connect as yourself from a wrong IP.
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, doesn't matter to me, but if you're going to protect mine, you might want to protect some of the other folks around here too
08:21 <wrtlprnft> i didn't see anybody like that
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> I am trying to be anonymous now, which defeats the point of a protected name :)
08:22 <wrtlprnft> don't protect my name or you'll kick ghableska when we switch
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> and it seems to be working, I've only been picked out once that I know of
08:23 <wrtlprnft> i can't stop using my colors key
08:23 * Lucifer_arma doesn't see his IP changing anytime soon
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> hey, can we have a color-spam tolerance thing? Where if you use too many colors you get spam-kicked? how easy would that be?
08:23 <z-man> tail -n 200 -f stdin banfile | { ./armagetronad-dedicated --record bug.rec 2>&1 |\
08:23 <z-man> | touch FAILED; echo -e "\n\n\n" >> stdin; }
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> so some color usage is fine, but excessive color usage gets you kicked?
08:23 <z-man> that's the start line
08:24 <z-man> the scripts write to banfile
08:24 <z-man> I write my commands to stdin
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> stdin is a file?
08:24 <z-man> yes
08:24 <wrtlprnft> so you say cat >stdin after that? ;)
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> so you do: echo "KICK someidiot\n" >> stdin ?
08:25 <z-man> We can overcount the length of color codes so the lines with them get a higher spam rating
08:25 <z-man> both right.
08:25 <z-man> I can have the screen server session running in one window
08:25 <wrtlprnft> it should be at least three times as high
08:25 <z-man> and the cat > stdin in another
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> it should be enough to kick durka during regular conversation :)
08:26 <z-man> so the ongoing logs don't disturb my commands.
08:26 <wrtlprnft> and ady
08:26 <wrtlprnft> and subzero
08:26 <z-man> ady's just using one color code at the start, IIRC
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> so's durka
08:26 <wrtlprnft> that's what's so annoying
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, and cristi too
08:27 <wrtlprnft> i don't want the "only idiots write in color all the time!" key to instantly kick you!
08:27 <z-man> :) Could be difficult.
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so it should kick durka during regular conversation, but let through colored instant chats within reason, like team calls
08:27 <wrtlprnft> just check if the first 8 characters of a chat are a color code and triple the spam rating?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> and it should show the last line before kicking, so wrtlprnft can do his only idiots... chat and then the next line will be "wrtlprnft left the game."
08:28 <wrtlprnft> it does anyways
08:28 <wrtlprnft> but that would still suck
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe hard code protection for that chat? That would be cool. :)
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> it is a default chat, after all....
08:29 <wrtlprnft> what if someone translates it?
08:29 <DrJoeTron> hahaha i didnt know sab took my avatar :D
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'd be willing to remove color codes from my instant chats to avoid getting spam-kicked
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't, Tank changed it on him
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> when he gets back from China, he probably won't notice for awhile, then he'll freak out
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
08:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
08:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: he noticed long ago
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> did he? I didn't notice.
08:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=75691#75691
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> so the operative thing in that line is that you just pipe to arma, which didn't used to work. I guess I'll have to fool with it again.
08:31 <wrtlprnft> > Tank: that's just evil... VERY evil...
08:31 <DrJoeTron> well, the one i made him
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok. I read that post, I guess I didn't read it closely enough.
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08:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like normal fortress maps don't work with ph's new zone stuff anymore
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09:07 <philippeqc> hi
09:08 <philippeqc> me prepares for Lucifer_arma announced nagging
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> NAG
09:11 * Lucifer_arma goes to read the post so he can remind himself what he was going to nag about
09:11 <philippeqc> t'was a 2 part announced nag:
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> alright, yes! Moving zones and zones interacting with each other!
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I might have figured it out somewhat for you, sorta
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09:12 <philippeqc> a) zone motion: go nag wrtlprnft so he fixes the parser to tValue (or for luke-jr_ to fix it)
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> ok, moving zones. The question is how do I handle collisions?
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, ok. So I was thinking a moving zone should take a vector to initialize its movement, and the vector should be modified based on some internal collision thing
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> we could offer two types of collision behavior, one that says "use this function" and one that says "be realistic"
09:13 <philippeqc> pig did a modification to the timestep of the zone, and added a bunch of eSensor going around the perifery of the zone to detect rims
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> then a list of objects (or a wildcard) that cause a collision to be detected
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> pig's mod doesn't play the soccer game I had envisioned a long time ago, but its pretty fun!
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> so, then a scripter could extend collision behavior by offering his own script to handle it, where in every case the result is to change the vector in the zone that contains its movement
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> so, then zones interacting with each other, which I think you had intended to have eventually in some form or other, in this case we'd just set it to give points
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think the only additional thing from what you already have is to let the zones interact, otherwise all the stuff you have should cover it already
09:17 <philippeqc> zone to zone interaction detection shouldn't be that hard.
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, I think the hard part is figuring out how to phrase it in xml :)
09:18 <philippeqc> the hard thing is that my model is very much "player" oriented, with owner as its base, so that will need a rethingking
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, no pun intended, but how hard would it be to make it "object" oriented instead? Where player is just another object?
09:19 <philippeqc> hockey / soccer has pretty easy rules, so I would prefer to find more complex scenarios to know what would need to be taken care of
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> then you can have a tree of ownership. Player owns zone A, zone A owns zone B, zone B owns zones C and D
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, breakout
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> in that case, you want a zone to bounce off another zone, right?
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> you also want it to destroy the other zone when it collides
09:19 <philippeqc> very hard because it change the whole design. and I have no idea yet for the new one.
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> then, when you have arbitrary-shaped zones, we can have light-cycle controlled breakout :)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> that might be pretty neat, come to think of it. Set two axes, your paddle is your wall
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09:21 <Lucifer_arma> how about the ebonstar scenario I mentioned in a post awhile back? I can dig up a link to refresh your memory...
09:21 <philippeqc> ok
09:21 <philippeqc> just remind me what makes the ebonstar game special.
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3459
09:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i'm kinda reluctant do do the parser :(
09:22 <wrtlprnft> if it'll just get replaced by luke-jr_'s tCode or some library
09:22 <philippeqc> i'm kind of reluctant to let luke reinvent the wheel
09:22 <philippeqc> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.htm
09:23 <philippeqc> integrate that parser
09:23 <wrtlprnft> File Not found
09:23 <wrtlprnft> The requested URL http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.htm was not found on this server. Search on this site ?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> if you integrate that parser, I'll ask him to give it as gpl
09:23 <wrtlprnft> Note that all pages with URL http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/... are personal pages under the responsability of their authors. Please direct all enquiries to ollivier "AT" clipper.ens.fr.
09:23 <wrtlprnft> Fichier non trouv�
09:23 <wrtlprnft> L'adresse http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.htm que vous avez demand�e n'existe pas sur ce serveur. Rechercher sur ce site ?
09:23 <wrtlprnft> Notez que toutes les pages dont l'adresse commence par http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ sont des pages personnelles sous la seule responsabilit� de leur auteur. Veuillez adresser vos questions � ollivier "CHEZ" clipper.ens.fr.
09:23 <philippeqc> http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html#E
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> add an l to the end :)
09:24 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> it's not technically gpl compatible as it stands, but if he's the guy I think he is, that shouldn't be a problem, he'll give it as GPL for arma
09:25 <wrtlprnft> the only point there is is that you can sell gpl software
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> even if he's not, he says he wants to support Free software :)
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09:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's not an issue for us, nor is it likely to be for some time, and for something this small we could replace it when we need to
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09:25 <Lizz> hiya :)
09:26 <wrtlprnft> hi Lizz
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> hi Lizz
09:26 <wrtlprnft> something this small?
09:26 <philippeqc> hi lizza breath
09:26 <Lizz> hiya wrt n looceee
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
09:26 <wrtlprnft> we're pondering on this for months
09:26 <Lizz> hiya phil
09:26 <wrtlprnft> so it can't be THAT small
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> true, but it'll go into an isolated area with hopefully a good interface so that we'd just have to reimplement what's behind it
09:26 <Lizz> o.O im NOT gonna ask heh
09:27 <philippeqc> This software or any modified version of it may be freely used in free programs. The program should include a copy of this whole notice. If you want to use it in a program you sell, contact me
09:27 <philippeqc> he seems quite open
09:27 <wrtlprnft> This software may not be sold.
09:27 <wrtlprnft> that's the thing that's not compatible
09:27 <philippeqc> contact him
09:27 <wrtlprnft> i'll let Lucifer_arma do that
09:27 <philippeqc> last last part
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> look, if you do the integrating, I'll happily do that contacting
09:28 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma will contact him
09:28 <wrtlprnft> preferable before I integrate it
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> but you gotta tell me you'll do the integrating, otherwise there's no point :)
09:28 <wrtlprnft> you can make your own functions in there, right?
09:28 <wrtlprnft> well
09:28 <wrtlprnft> it should be easy to make a tValue::Formula i guess
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, in order to integrate it you have to do a number of things that you'd have to do to write your own anyway, right?
09:29 <philippeqc> look, I've tolk luke about that lib.... twice... and he hasnt commented on it yet, so that leave me with the impression that he will continue to build on his own solution, rather than equip us with a full one.
09:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it seems easy enough to integrate, send the guy a mail and I'll do it when we get a green light :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> writing the email right now
09:31 <wrtlprnft> the things that previously were cockpit callbacks will have to become functions i guess
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> email sent, let's hope his email address is still good
09:33 <wrtlprnft> does this thing actually support callback functions? :S
09:33 <wrtlprnft> the example doesn't talk about it
09:34 <wrtlprnft> we need callback functions if we wanna do the cockpit with it
09:34 <wrtlprnft> you can't just provide the time_to_impact_front as variable in case the user might use it, it's too CPU intensive for that
09:37 <wrtlprnft> though it might be possible to add that functionality
09:37 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: (my mind is still cloggy with sleep) ebonstar: the zone related change would be that shooting a cycle would give it a new direction and speed (with some physic to that)?
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> yes, and also the rendering and gravitation effect of the ebonstar zone
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> in the long run, there's a lot more to consider
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> the ebonstar has to occasionally spit out packages that, if a cycle grabs it, it gives them special abilities, like a fire shot that kills instantly instead of bouncing
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> another one that gives more speed, etc.
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, maybe working out the primitives to support that scenario gives you the larger model you want, maybe not. It's something to throw on the pile anyway :)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I think if you could support ebonstar, then you'll be able to support the simpler soccer/hockey scenario
09:40 <philippeqc> zones spuying zones is no probs, zones giving effects is no probs (we have "rechare rubber" and "recharge brake")
09:41 <philippeqc> cycleMovement would need a child that support the new motion, thats a PITA
09:42 <philippeqc> gravitationnal pull might be best left to a second, larger but invisible zone over the ebonstar that pull toward the center.
09:43 <guru3> in the past 7 days armagetron has been the 52nd most active project on sourceforge
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> the gravitational pull only affects you when you're in the zone
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> so if you're just outside it, it doesn't affect you
09:43 <wrtlprnft> guru3: nic
09:43 <wrtlprnft> e
09:43 <philippeqc> yes that is why making a second, larger and invisible zone over the black hole could do that.
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> that is neat. :)
09:44 <guru3> beat out dc++ by 3 ranks
09:44 * Lucifer_arma wonders if it was all his armabot commits that did it
09:44 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like mathexpr supports callback functions that return a double and take a double as param
09:44 <philippeqc> the black hole event horizon would be the inside, visible one that kills you
09:44 <philippeqc> nice wrtlprnft !
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> aha
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> the renderer would have to render the larger zone, though. I should have taken a screenshot, but the larger zone, the ebonstar, is a warp of the grid floor
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> makes the grid floor funnel shaped
09:45 <philippeqc> guru3: hehe, really! That is nice that we really climbed that much, considering that the other project developer are also in vacation ;)
09:45 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately it doesn't seem to support functions that take no args
09:45 <wrtlprnft> but I might change that
09:45 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you might also want it to support functions that need 2 args ;)
09:46 <guru3> we used to be in the 90s
09:46 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm not considering floor distortion. Too much work, and it doesnt help me trying to figure a better zone model ;)
09:46 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that smells like modifying it to use templates :S
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's hurry up and release 0.2.8.3 so we can shoot up higher
09:46 <wrtlprnft> if it accepts 2 params, what about 3?
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: that's fine, we need lots of rendering work anyway, just trying to keep in your head that we ultiamtely have to render this stuff somehow
09:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah, 0.2.8.3 should be released sometime
09:47 <wrtlprnft> then z-man could repeat the experiments on bugfarm in a better way
09:48 <philippeqc> what does the sf activity monitor? commits or line of code changed?
09:49 <wrtlprnft> once I'll get green light from the guy (TM) I might make it use derivation and virtual functions and templates
09:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_ will kill me for that
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> 2 more things philippeqc :)
09:49 <philippeqc> yes
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> consider the breakout game from two points of view:
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> 1) the bricks are zones (need zone interaction)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> 2) the bricks are regular walls
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> the other one is a pinball scenario, where we use zones to be the various little gadgets on a pinball machine, like flippers ad stuff
09:50 <wrtlprnft> if pig publishes his soccer sty code I might make a pingpong server
09:50 <wrtlprnft> just needs a map with 2 axes and short walls and the ball needs to bounce off player walls
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> obviously a real pinball machine requires ramps and stuff, which we don't have and aren't part of your zone work
09:50 <wrtlprnft> and invert the positions of the goal zones
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> sf activity is an aggregation of commits, web page view, and some other stuff, iirc. Downloads, that sort of thing.
09:52 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm looking for something more complex than many static zones and one moving (pinball, breakout). That scenario is relatively simple, and its easy to bend the current model without breaking it. I want it to shatter so we can make it better ;)
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok. :)
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, on maps
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> how easy would it be to add an atribute for map elements that basically says "invisible to the cockpit"?
09:54 <philippeqc> as easy as hacking the code to remove that "feature"
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> then the cockpit map would need to be modified to ignore those things
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that would be considered cheating, imo. :)
09:55 <philippeqc> and our community is know for its well behaved members before anything else.
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> not that we could enforce it, but I think most players that can, won't hack it to remove it
09:55 <philippeqc> I just an attribute for all elements
09:56 <philippeqc> make it accept 4 value "all, cockpit, ingame, none"
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it would be better to hack in support for the server to use a different map
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> you know, different than what the client uses
09:58 <philippeqc> yes
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> that, at least, isn't subject to client-side hacking
09:58 <philippeqc> your server_map_file idea
09:58 <philippeqc> and less work
09:58 <philippeqc> or you can use that as a good motivation to kick in xtls and css support ;)
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> actually, when I next return to sound engine work, I intend to start in the resource system and build the stuff I need
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> we *might* get a css parser at that point, no promises though. Depends on whether or not I need it in the sound engine.
09:59 <philippeqc> come on, for a smart guy like you, it wont take much time
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> I *might* still tackle it as a target of opportunity :)
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> I should use the sound engine work as incentive to study and take the test, like "I'll spend the rest of the weekend after taking my test working on the sound engine"
10:01 <philippeqc> nice objective
10:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: hot pink, it is wikipedia's definition of the color, not mine
10:01 * wrtlprnft was taking a shower, back
10:03 <philippeqc> I would like a language to define the targets. Right now I'm implementing a LOT of combinaisons, and its really long and people will keep asking for more
10:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: make a CSS parser and luke-jr_ won't like it because it's C++, too ineffective and because he stinks
10:04 <guru3> anyone want to come play on stonehenge?
10:04 <wrtlprnft> me
10:04 <wrtlprnft> or no, can't
10:04 * Lucifer_arma is going back to studying
10:04 <wrtlprnft> i have to go, sorry
10:04 <wrtlprnft> later
10:04 <philippeqc> cya
10:04 <guru3> cu
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> later
10:04 <wrtlprnft> be back in half an hour or so
10:13 <philippeqc> #g 45 + 90
10:13 <armabot> 45 + 90 = 135
10:14 <philippeqc> #g 135+90
10:14 <armabot> 135 + 90 = 225
10:14 <guru3> i tell ya
10:14 <guru3> this stonehenge
10:15 <guru3> is a good sill map to practice on
10:22 <philippeqc> I'd need 4 good base color, but I'd like to avoid red and blue
10:23 <guru3> ><
10:23 <philippeqc> yellow and green, orange has a tendency to be close to yellow
10:23 <guru3> how come previews never work when i want them to ><
10:23 <philippeqc> I could take light yellow and dark orange, but the 4rth
10:23 <philippeqc> preview for waht?
10:31 <guru3> philippeqc: http://electricpotential.net/temp/stonehenge-0.0.1.png
10:32 <wrtlprnft> back
10:32 <philippeqc> your verbal description was appropriate ;)
10:32 <guru3> wb wrtlprnft
10:32 <wrtlprnft> lol @ the image
10:32 <guru3> that's my difficulty ranking
10:32 <guru3> i'm at level 3
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm not even at level 1
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: green light :)
10:34 <philippeqc> o yeah1
10:34 * philippeqc dance
10:34 <philippeqc> s
10:35 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: would css allow me to define variables and use them all over?
10:35 <philippeqc> in the map
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> variables?
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> classes, I take it? like, in html, it's <div class="someclass"> ?
10:36 <philippeqc> like If I have many many points to be given, I could have 4 variables, like pointWin pointLose pointWhatEver spread all over the map, and only need to update the definition once to change their value
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest you look at the template setup that's in the cockpit, I'm not sure what you're suggesting falls inside css
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> but yes, css could do that
10:37 <philippeqc> rather than having <Effect effect="point" score="3" /> , <Effect effect="point" score="someVar" />
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> you'd need to support an attribute for it, and you'd have to code that yourself, but otherwise css could have it.
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, it would be more like <Effect class="someclass"> and then you have this:
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> .someclass { effect: point; score: 3; }
10:38 <philippeqc> o
10:38 <philippeqc> ok
10:38 <philippeqc> humm, well, seems good enough
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> note we may not use "class", we might use some other name that makes more sense, I use "class" here for convenience because that's what html uses
10:40 * philippeqc takes on my puppy eyes and my honey voice.... luciiiiiiiiifer, could please please please give us css support?
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: let me know when you've put the expression parser into svn so I can copy the email that gives us his parser under gpl in there
10:42 * Lucifer_arma puts css parser on his todo list for when he goes into the resource system next
10:47 <guru3> ><
10:48 <philippeqc> sheesh! maps are sure one heck of a job to write now
10:49 <guru3> and whose fault is that
10:49 * guru3 points at phil
10:49 <philippeqc> point back at guru3 for not suggesting a better way to write that stuff ;)
10:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> *yawn*
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:50 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: He's just like Capistrano, always ready for a few swallows.
10:50 <guru3> good morning ds
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning guru3
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and good morning everyone else
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
10:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ubuntu is not that bad
10:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i have 3 different cron deamons running ><
10:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and guess how many i actually use
10:58 <philippeqc> #g 204/255
10:58 <armabot> 204 / 255 = 0.8
10:59 <philippeqc> #g 85 / 255
10:59 <armabot> 85 / 255 = 0.333333333
11:13 <philippeqc> #g 215 / 255
11:13 <armabot> 215 / 255 = 0.843137255
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11:30 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft in case you missed it, the expression parser guy wrote back with permission to use his code under the gpl
11:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
11:44 <wrtlprnft> g2g for about an hour
11:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i don't miss anything containing my name usually :)
11:57 <philippeqc> cya later
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12:26 <spidey> i'ma install halo and go pwn people
12:31 <spidey> O.o
12:31 <spidey> i think i broke it
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13:10 <madmax|pt> hi
13:23 <wrtlprnft> back and completely K.O.
13:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: shall i put the complex parser stuff and the example file into the project too?
13:30 <wrtlprnft> what is BUILDFAKERELEASE?
13:30 <wrtlprnft> in src/rhirdparty/Makefile.am
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13:38 <spidey> note
13:38 <spidey> overloaded the damned breakers again
13:38 <spidey> >.<
13:41 <wrtlprnft> replace them by some piece of metal
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13:44 <spidey> ?
13:44 <spidey> they're breakers
13:44 <spidey> all they do is flip
13:44 <spidey> then you flip them again to turn them back on
13:44 <spidey> they don't blow or anything
13:48 <wrtlprnft> use some piece of wire to fix them in place
13:48 <spidey> could cause a fire then
13:48 <spidey> they flip when they overload,if they overload and keep going,it can only take so much
13:58 <wrtlprnft> i know, just joking
13:59 <wrtlprnft> after all, that's what breakers are foe
13:59 <wrtlprnft> for
14:09 <spidey> ya
14:09 <wrtlprnft> http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/76089
14:09 <wrtlprnft> gah
14:09 <wrtlprnft> need to update :S
14:12 <wrtlprnft> though i don't use mod_rewrite a lot
14:20 <wrtlprnft> yay i just got it to compile mathexpr in :)
14:24 <spidey> i'ma go play halo
14:24 <spidey> then go watch tv
14:24 <spidey> then maybe go out somewhere
14:24 <spidey> comuter has gotten boring ;/
14:26 <wrtlprnft> problem: mathexpr uses double everywhere instead of float
14:26 <wrtlprnft> so either we convert mathexpr to float, or convert the engine to double, or have expensive conversations everywhere
14:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm, converting mathexpr to float wasn't that hard, but I dunno how this effecs the integration stuff etc
14:39 <luke-jr_> problem: mathexpr isn't designed for realtime calculations, nor being flexible with user-defined variable functions
14:39 <luke-jr_> (or rather, developer-designed)
14:39 <wrtlprnft> i'm on the variable function thing
14:40 <wrtlprnft> it can already handle float*(float)- type callbacks
14:40 <wrtlprnft> I'm probably gonna make a template so you can have any number of parameters
14:41 <luke-jr_> it's still not designed for realtime evaluation
14:41 <wrtlprnft> if it's used for graphing it can't be that slow
14:41 <luke-jr_> graphing isn't a real time operation
14:42 <wrtlprnft> it has to be fast
14:42 <luke-jr_> it needs to draw one very simple 2D image
14:42 <luke-jr_> fast could mean it can do this in a second or two
14:42 <wrtlprnft> i KNEW luke-jr_ wouldn't like it
14:42 <luke-jr_> our requirements are many expressions per second
14:43 <wrtlprnft> if you have a 1000 pixel wide graph
14:43 <wrtlprnft> you need 1000 calculations if you wanna graph it exactly
14:44 <wrtlprnft> and for a computer I'd expect even complex functions to be done in less than half a second
14:44 <wrtlprnft> and that is with doing the actual putting points onto the screen
14:44 <wrtlprnft> that is fast
14:44 <luke-jr_> you forget the computer already has stuff to do for the game
14:44 <luke-jr_> without evaluation stuff
14:45 <wrtlprnft> it's still fast enough
14:45 <wrtlprnft> let's implement it like that first and see how slow it really is
14:45 <luke-jr_> whatever, just keep it in a branch so it's not in the way for tCode
14:46 <wrtlprnft> then you can come in later and make a faster implementation using the same api
14:46 <wrtlprnft> why would it be in the way for tCode?
14:46 <wrtlprnft> that's separate files, right?
14:47 <luke-jr_> I'm already aiming at tValue compatibility
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14:48 <wrtlprnft> my addition will just be an additional subclass of tValue
14:48 <philippeqc> ok
14:49 <wrtlprnft> oh, that was talking to luke-jr_
14:49 <wrtlprnft> as expected he doesn't like mathexpr
14:50 <luke-jr_> "as expected" -- not like it wasn't already brought up a few days ago and I took a look at it
14:50 <luke-jr_> if it were suitable, I would have already been working with it
14:51 <wrtlprnft> you didn't say anything about it
14:52 <philippeqc> lucifer, did you have a look at the conflict between aa' sound and other sound playing apps
14:53 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: ^^^
14:53 <philippeqc> luke once said that when he doesnt say anything about something, it is that he agrees.
14:54 <philippeqc> hurray, I've made a map so complex, it just crash the game at load ;)
14:55 <wrtlprnft> that a feature?
14:55 <spidey> man
14:55 <spidey> that's some bullshit >.<
14:55 <philippeqc> ;)
14:55 <philippeqc> spidey: about what
14:55 <spidey> halo
14:56 <spidey> spawn camping bastards >.<
14:56 <philippeqc> ok, I could help you you know
14:56 <spidey> ?
14:56 <philippeqc> yes, dont play
14:56 <spidey> lol
14:56 <philippeqc> your welcome
14:56 <philippeqc> I'll send you the bill
14:56 <spidey> psh
14:56 <spidey> luke-jr_, said he'd pay it for me
14:56 <philippeqc> Got answers? I've got questions.
14:58 <wrtlprnft> go ahead
14:58 <wrtlprnft> answer = 42
14:58 <wrtlprnft> question = ?
14:58 <philippeqc> what is 6 * 7
14:58 <philippeqc> ;)
14:59 <wrtlprnft> that's what the mice invented
14:59 <wrtlprnft> not the real question
14:59 <spidey> answer = supercalifragilisticsexpealidocious
14:59 <spidey> wquestion = ?
14:59 <spidey> ;x
14:59 <philippeqc> i read the book, listen to the audio show, saw the movie, and even on of the old tv episode ;)
14:59 <wrtlprnft> answer = true
14:59 <wrtlprnft> question = ?
15:00 <spidey> is wrtlprnft gay
15:00 <spidey> owned ;x
15:00 <philippeqc> 1!=1 ? false : true
15:00 <wrtlprnft> aka true
15:00 <wrtlprnft> ah
15:02 <philippeqc> found me bug
15:07 <philippeqc> the map, it think it works ;)
15:07 <philippeqc> quad team fortress
15:12 <philippeqc> I'd need 7 other players
15:12 <philippeqc> to test it
15:12 <DrJoeTron> well you have one
15:12 <philippeqc> ok, I'll fix it so you dont need to download anything
15:13 <DrJoeTron> .abck
15:13 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:13 <DrJoeTron> man i'm not feelin so hot this morning
15:15 <DrJoeTron> i'm noticing that the dedicated server applet takes much more resources than before
15:16 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why it took this long to see that
15:16 <DrJoeTron> 2.7.1 took about 500k for memory
15:16 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.2 takes about 7.168
15:17 <DrJoeTron> both at idle
15:17 <DrJoeTron> 7,168*
15:18 <philippeqc> parser for map + libxml contribute
15:20 <philippeqc> its up
15:20 <philippeqc> need lots of players to test it
15:20 <philippeqc> as it has some team respawn
15:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: which server?
15:27 <wrtlprnft> zone test v4 is empty
15:27 <philippeqc> yes, I'm trying to recruit
15:31 <DrJoeTron> zone test v4 is what its called?
15:31 <philippeqc> yes
15:32 <DrJoeTron> cant play,
15:32 * DrJoeTron 2.8.1 ftw
15:32 <DrJoeTron> sorry budd
15:33 <philippeqc> does it say you cant?
15:35 <philippeqc> darn
15:35 <DrJoeTron> aye :/
15:44 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: wow, so we somehow saved 490 KB of memory with 0.2.8?
15:44 <DrJoeTron> no
15:45 <wrtlprnft> other way
15:55 <wrtlprnft> wtf
15:55 <wrtlprnft> some of my changes got lost without a comment!
15:56 <wrtlprnft> or no, in fact they didn'T
15:56 <wrtlprnft> I'm just stupid
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16:38 <philippeqc> zone v2 test server is up again
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16:39 <DrJoeTron> so i learned A benefit to having a Minidisc player
16:39 <DrJoeTron> no one is gonna steal it :p
16:42 <philippeqc> anyone can come and help on the server
16:50 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: can we upload dtd now?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no, it would have been a commit message
16:50 * wrtlprnft might just add that and luke-jr_ will update itself
16:50 <wrtlprnft> *luke's server
16:50 <philippeqc> upload dtd to the resource repo
16:51 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: the code for the upload is in SVN somewhere, just edit it to allow uploading DTDs
16:51 <wrtlprnft> and it'll work
16:51 <philippeqc> uploading dtd to the resource repo?
16:51 <philippeqc> what code is that
16:51 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:51 <philippeqc> what branch
16:51 <wrtlprnft> let me check
16:52 <wrtlprnft> 503 Service Unavailable
16:52 <wrtlprnft> The service is not available. Please try again later.
16:52 <wrtlprnft> the web svn is sooo useless like that
16:52 <philippeqc> lol
16:52 <wrtlprnft> every second time you need it it does that
16:53 <wrtlprnft> let me check the commit messages instead :)
16:53 <wrtlprnft> vive le RSS
16:53 <madmax|pt> DrJoeTron why wouldnt someone steal a minidisc player?
16:54 <philippeqc> yeah, Id steal one, because I know nobody would steal it from me ;)
16:54 <wrtlprnft> www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php
16:54 <wrtlprnft> err
16:55 <wrtlprnft> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php
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16:55 <madmax|pt> z-man, if someone asks you if you are 'beat' dont bother
16:55 <philippeqc> its php
16:55 <DrJoeTron> why would you want to
16:55 <madmax|pt> lol
16:56 <DrJoeTron> no one wants these things
16:56 <DrJoeTron> thats the plus to having one
16:56 <z-man> ??? Why would anyone ask?
16:57 <madmax|pt> heh, i was playing as beat, and people were wondering if i was you, dont know why though
16:57 <z-man> perhaps you had ping < 20 ms?
16:57 <z-man> Or perhaps you sucked? :)
16:57 <madmax|pt> hmm... neither
16:57 <madmax|pt> lol
16:58 <z-man> Perhaps you knew or said things people assume only I know
16:58 <madmax|pt> nope
16:58 <madmax|pt> maybe someone was just high, nevermind
16:59 * z-man files this under strange occurences.
17:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
17:01 <philippeqc> i dont want it fixed for me, but for everybody!
17:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it WILL be fixed for you!
17:02 <wrtlprnft> *for everybody
17:02 <wrtlprnft> if you tell people about details about some settings/commands they sometimes assume you're z-man
17:02 <wrtlprnft> ie if you tell them about the meaning of MAX_OUT_RATE
17:03 * z-man is partly guilty of that by playing under false names
17:04 <wrtlprnft> or about rubber induced wall shrinkage, which many people still don't seem to know about
17:04 <wrtlprnft> or know what it means
17:04 <wrtlprnft> *or to know what it means
17:06 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5847 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added support for a few more selector. added spanw dead effect and modified support function getAllValid. Added count for zSelector
17:09 <wrtlprnft> grr
17:09 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: z-man quadFortress is up and running
17:09 <wrtlprnft> libmathexpr doesn't use const properly
17:09 <wrtlprnft> be there in a minute
17:09 <philippeqc> will wait outside
17:10 * madmax|pt notes he doesnt know any evil setting/command about the test servers.
17:11 <wrtlprnft> incoming.
17:11 * philippeqc doesnt need evil settings/command to do evil servers
17:11 <philippeqc> ok
17:11 <madmax|pt> you sure do evil servers
17:11 <philippeqc> hehe
17:14 <madmax|pt> do you guys know any happening of small cycle jumps on an initial fortress grind? ive been seing that sometimes, i think generally on the person with most speed
17:18 <spidey> no?
17:18 <spidey> i've never seen that unless i'm uploading and playing
17:18 <spidey> then everyone jumps ;x
17:18 <madmax|pt> i don't its a lag effect
17:18 <madmax|pt> o_O
17:19 <spidey> honestly
17:19 <spidey> even though my ping is around 200,i don't lag unless my isp is in its shitty stage
17:19 <madmax|pt> erm... i don't think*
17:19 <spidey> which is usually around night time
17:19 <spidey> >.<
17:19 <madmax|pt> or rain?
17:19 <spidey> that to
17:19 <spidey> which it's raining now :/
17:19 <spidey> #cnn
17:19 <spidey> !
17:19 <madmax|pt> o_O
17:19 <spidey> #list
17:19 <armabot> spidey: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
17:20 <spidey> luci can you load the cnn plugin :(
17:20 <madmax|pt> did cnn exist?
17:20 <spidey> yes
17:20 <spidey> it tells weather :p
17:20 <philippeqc> spidey, wanna test quaFortress
17:20 <madmax|pt> wasnt it the #weather ?
17:21 <spidey> no
17:21 <spidey> it was #cnn
17:21 <spidey> !
17:21 <spidey> philippeqc, in a minute i'm getting attacked in another game :/
17:21 <philippeqc> ok
17:21 <spidey> which reminds me
17:21 <madmax|pt> ... i used #weather ...
17:21 <spidey> the halo match
17:21 <spidey> ended me having 130 kills
17:21 <spidey> ;x
17:22 <spidey> i won by kills,but the other guys won by holding the hill longer...stupid cth >.<
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17:26 <DrJoeTron> too bad halo blows ;D
17:27 <DrJoeTron> did you try the hl2 demo?
17:27 <spidey> i don't think i can play hl2
17:27 <spidey> what's the min requirements?
17:28 <DrJoeTron> emme look it up
17:28 <DrJoeTron> the demo gives you the very beginning, and one of the scariest parts of the game
17:28 <spidey> scarey?
17:29 <spidey> i think i stopped being afraid of what happens in a game around age 8 with resident evil for n64
17:29 <madmax|pt> (GT4 || GTA:SA || PES) > all
17:29 <spidey> pes?
17:29 <madmax|pt> oh yea, youre american
17:29 <madmax|pt> lol
17:29 <spidey> :/
17:29 <madmax|pt> pro evolution soccer
17:29 <spidey> lol
17:30 <spidey> only sports i like is basketball ;D
17:30 <spidey> sometimes baseball or football
17:30 <spidey> but i like basketball better
17:30 <spidey> ;x
17:31 <DrJoeTron> yeah man
17:31 <DrJoeTron> like "holy fuck, kill it!" scary
17:31 <madmax|pt> one day i'll try to understand baseball's rules
17:31 <madmax|pt> and... "football" too
17:32 <DrJoeTron> hl2 loves most pc's
17:32 <DrJoeTron> http://halflife2.filefront.com/info/HL2_Requirements
17:32 <spidey> wow
17:32 <spidey> i can play that without a problem
17:32 <DrJoeTron> yup
17:32 <spidey> although
17:32 <DrJoeTron> if you buy it, it comes with counterstrike:source
17:32 <spidey> 4.5gb hddspace is a bit much >.<
17:33 <DrJoeTron> thats because it installs cs:s
17:33 <DrJoeTron> you can not have that
17:33 <DrJoeTron> but its like 2 gigs i think
17:33 <spidey> ah
17:33 <DrJoeTron> if you buy the cd version
17:33 <spidey> about the same as halo
17:33 <DrJoeTron> its 5 discs
17:33 <spidey> O.o
17:33 <DrJoeTron> yheah
17:33 <DrJoeTron> fucking huge
17:33 <DrJoeTron> i got a hairline crack on disc 2
17:33 <DrJoeTron> on the very edge
17:33 <DrJoeTron> so its toast
17:33 <makie> I'd hope they would have a dvd version
17:33 <DrJoeTron> thank god valve rocks
17:33 -!- makie is now known as linuxlizzard
17:33 <DrJoeTron> and you can just download it
17:33 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:34 <spidey> i DrJoeTron why not download cd2?
17:34 <linuxlizzard> my friend did that but it took him months because of router troubles
17:34 <DrJoeTron> because hl2 is available off of steam
17:34 <spidey> huh?
17:34 <DrJoeTron> steam is what valve uses for all of there games
17:34 <DrJoeTron> its a menu for there games
17:34 <linuxlizzard> ja, just hope it works :)
17:35 <spidey> what's valve?
17:35 <DrJoeTron> the company that makes half life,
17:35 <DrJoeTron> the best thing about hl2
17:35 <DrJoeTron> mods
17:35 <DrJoeTron> they throw up the source code
17:35 <DrJoeTron> so people can go nuts
17:35 <spidey> lol
17:35 <DrJoeTron> and people make some pretty awesome ones
17:36 <DrJoeTron> goldeneye source ;D
17:36 <DrJoeTron> i forgot about to tell lucifer that
17:36 <DrJoeTron> about getting the source code
17:36 <DrJoeTron> if you buyt the game
17:36 <DrJoeTron> the give you Source SDK
17:36 <DrJoeTron> Source Development Kit
17:38 <DrJoeTron> so download steam
17:38 <DrJoeTron> www.steampowered.com
17:38 <spidey> hmm
17:38 <DrJoeTron> and download the hl2 demo
17:38 <madmax|pt> what the heck is "setting TOS to lowdelay" ?
17:38 <spidey> so it runs on linux?
17:38 <DrJoeTron> nope
17:38 <DrJoeTron> its for windows
17:38 <DrJoeTron> the main reason why i dont go to linux
17:38 <spidey> then why would lucifer want it?
17:39 <linuxlizzard> haha
17:39 <spidey> he said if it's doesn't play on linux he doesn't want it ;x
17:39 <DrJoeTron> he said "if im gonna buy a game i better get the source code"
17:39 <spidey> he said if it's doesn't play on linux he doesn't want it ;x
17:39 <linuxlizzard> you don't get the source code, just the sdk :P
17:39 <DrJoeTron> he said that too
17:39 <spidey> so
17:39 <DrJoeTron> still
17:39 <spidey> that excludes him
17:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah true
17:39 <DrJoeTron> i hate chu guys :X!
17:40 <spidey> ;p;
17:40 <linuxlizzard> lol X)
17:40 <spidey> lol
17:40 <linuxlizzard> amagetronad doesn't need opengl does it?
17:40 <linuxlizzard> I hope not
17:40 <spidey> yea
17:41 <spidey> or it lags pretty bad ;x
17:41 <linuxlizzard> but not for a dedicated tho
17:41 <spidey> no
17:41 <spidey> don't think
17:41 <DrJoeTron> anywho, when your on windows il give you the link
17:41 <linuxlizzard> this person who made this package didn't put the server option
17:42 <spidey> !
17:42 <spidey> F:\>ver
17:42 <spidey> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
17:42 <spidey> ;x
17:42 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:42 <spidey> i'm still to lazy to make the ext3 partition
17:42 <spidey> :/
17:43 <spidey> i would just go back to only linux
17:43 <spidey> but i wanna play the games i buy
17:43 <spidey> so windows will always be somewhere in my house
17:43 <spidey> ;x
17:43 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:43 <linuxlizzard> ya I dual boot now
17:43 <linuxlizzard> because of battlefield 2 X)
17:43 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:43 <spidey> lol
17:44 <DrJoeTron> you should play with us sometime lizzard
17:44 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i
17:44 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:44 <DrJoeTron> we play just about everynight on the ts server
17:44 <DrJoeTron> infact
17:44 <DrJoeTron> guess what we are lanning tonight ;D
17:44 <linuxlizzard> w00t X)
17:44 <DrJoeTron> Mount up!
17:44 <DrJoeTron> whats your rank?
17:44 <linuxlizzard> haha, nothing at all
17:44 <linuxlizzard> idk
17:44 <DrJoeTron> haha really?
17:44 <linuxlizzard> ya I don't play much
17:44 <DrJoeTron> check bfhq when you get the chance
17:44 <linuxlizzard> but when I do its funs
17:45 <spidey> joe get halo bish
17:45 <spidey> i wanna own you ;x
17:45 <spidey> as long as you don't spawn camp :/
17:46 <wrtlprnft> if i make an array of objects with new[] do they get initialized or not?
17:46 <spidey> i would give you a cd key and you could just download a copy somewhere
17:46 <spidey> but i gave damien my extra key
17:46 <DrJoeTron> im only staff sargent :/
17:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:46 <DrJoeTron> f halo
17:46 <DrJoeTron> i got hl2
17:46 <linuxlizzard> I'm probably only private ;)
17:46 <linuxlizzard> lol
17:47 <spidey> f hl2
17:47 <spidey> i got halo
17:47 <DrJoeTron> haha have fun with crap :D
17:47 <spidey> i do
17:47 <spidey> when people make mods thinking they own
17:47 <linuxlizzard> I once was higher but cosma played for me, got kicked off a server a few too many times
17:47 <spidey> like snipers that have a huge blast radius
17:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:47 <DrJoeTron> thats nothing spidey
17:47 <spidey> i just own 'em with it ;x
17:47 <DrJoeTron> you gotta see these hl2 mods
17:47 <DrJoeTron> oh garrys mod
17:47 <linuxlizzard> theres a naruto hl2 mod XD
17:48 * DrJoeTron grimaces
17:48 <DrJoeTron> i remember ESF for hl1
17:48 <spidey> DrJoeTron, get me a key ;x
17:48 <spidey> actually
17:48 <spidey> how much does it cost ?
17:48 <DrJoeTron> i support valve
17:48 <DrJoeTron> not quite sure
17:48 <DrJoeTron> its dropped since i got it
17:48 <linuxlizzard> lets see, what is the flag to build the server? I'm to lazy to look
17:48 <spidey> hmm
17:48 <DrJoeTron> you can get it for 30 bucks off of steam
17:48 <DrJoeTron> but you just get hl2
17:49 <linuxlizzard> hehe ya
17:49 <spidey> i wanted to buy a airplane :/
17:49 <spidey> rc of course
17:49 <DrJoeTron> if you get it at stores you get half life:source, counter strikes:source
17:49 <DrJoeTron> half life source is just half life 1 with ragdoll physics
17:49 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:49 <spidey> can i play online with the demo?
17:49 <DrJoeTron> oh god lizzard did you see black mesa?
17:49 <spidey> and use my xbox controller ;x
17:50 <linuxlizzard> nopes
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hl2 is a single player game
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hl2 death match
17:50 <spidey> !
17:50 <DrJoeTron> i love that fucking gravity gun
17:50 <spidey> psh
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hurling toilets has never been fun
17:50 <spidey> if i get a game it has to be online
17:50 <DrJoeTron> that much fun*
17:50 <DrJoeTron> thats why you get hl2
17:50 <DrJoeTron> you get a thousand online games
17:50 <linuxlizzard> and the rockets
17:50 <spidey> ???
17:51 <DrJoeTron> the rockets!
17:51 <linuxlizzard> thats funs too
17:51 <spidey> you're making no sense :p
17:51 <DrJoeTron> or dropping the grenade, let it set, then hurl it with the gravity gun
17:51 <DrJoeTron> ok spidey look
17:51 <linuxlizzard> haha
17:51 <DrJoeTron> half life 2, the actual game is single player
17:51 <DrJoeTron> but
17:51 <DrJoeTron> all of the mods
17:52 <DrJoeTron> all of the mods are online
17:52 <spidey> no excuse!!
17:52 <DrJoeTron> half life 2 deathmatch is online
17:52 <DrJoeTron> and comes with hl2
17:52 <spidey> erm
17:52 <DrJoeTron> yeah
17:52 <DrJoeTron> suck it
17:52 <linuxlizzard> haha
17:52 <DrJoeTron> half life 2 death match is alot of fun
17:52 <spidey> kiss my ass
17:52 <spidey> after i go poop
17:52 <spidey> ;x
17:53 <DrJoeTron> gravity gun ftw!
17:53 <DrJoeTron> lizzard remember the old gravity gun, fromt he leaked movie
17:53 <DrJoeTron> when you could weld things on?
17:53 <linuxlizzard> nopes but sounds fun
17:54 <DrJoeTron> it used to be able to pick things up, hurl them, or wel them on to shit
17:54 <DrJoeTron> like armor plate a car
17:54 <linuxlizzard> haha
17:54 <DrJoeTron> and drive it into things
17:54 <linuxlizzard> yes
17:54 <linuxlizzard> so with the server ... I suppose "--disable-sound --disable-glout --disable-binreloc" might be useful flags
17:55 <DrJoeTron> and the floppy drive ;D
17:55 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:56 <DrJoeTron> hey, more resources the better
17:56 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:56 <DrJoeTron> thats weird
17:56 <DrJoeTron> ...hmmm
17:57 <DrJoeTron> ensim doesnt work
17:57 <DrJoeTron> but my ftp does
17:57 <DrJoeTron> ....whatever
17:58 <linuxlizzard> heh
18:07 <linuxlizzard> aha here are the flags I'm looking for...
18:10 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
18:10 <DrJoeTron> maybe i should change web hosting
18:10 <DrJoeTron> i found a cheaper place
18:10 <linuxlizzard> hehe
18:12 <DrJoeTron> il check tommarow if ensim is back up
18:12 <DrJoeTron> if it isnt
18:12 <DrJoeTron> fuck them
18:12 <linuxlizzard> haha
18:13 <linuxlizzard> are you using it just for the lobster page or more?
18:13 <DrJoeTron> more
18:13 <DrJoeTron> haha lobster page
18:13 <DrJoeTron> i run a webcomic
18:13 <DrJoeTron> not like ive really updated
18:13 <DrJoeTron> but still
18:13 <DrJoeTron> should still be there
18:14 <DrJoeTron> the ftp works at least, which is what i mainly use
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18:14 <linuxlizzard> I see
18:14 <DrJoeTron> but for stats i use ensim
18:14 <linuxlizzard> thats good to know
18:14 <DrJoeTron> which is what is provided
18:14 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
18:14 <DrJoeTron> its down when i try and get to the admin page
18:16 <linuxlizzard> aha
18:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: my math stuff already compiles, but won't link :S
18:16 <philippeqc> o
18:16 <DrJoeTron> so either there thumbs are up there ass, or
18:17 <DrJoeTron> i was hacked
18:17 <philippeqc> good that you are here, how do I do "say"
18:17 <linuxlizzard> lol
18:17 <DrJoeTron> im guessing number 1
18:17 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ?
18:18 <philippeqc> yes, you wanted that effects be able to say stuff on the console
18:19 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:19 <philippeqc> do you know what is the hook up for that?
18:19 <wrtlprnft> just do the same thing as you did for the <Settings> tag
18:19 <wrtlprnft> basically generate a command and send it to the parser
18:20 <philippeqc> that's for the settings, but to say stuff in game upon effect
18:21 <wrtlprnft> well, either just use the SAY command
18:21 <wrtlprnft> or look what other parts do, like the score things
18:21 <philippeqc> ?
18:21 <philippeqc> ok
18:25 <wrtlprnft> you create a tOutput
18:25 <wrtlprnft> use the << operator to throw stuff into it
18:25 <wrtlprnft> then you say sn_ConsoleOut(thetoutput)
18:26 <philippeqc> ok, I got the same thing here
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ePlayer.cpp:2910 has an example
18:26 <philippeqc> thanks for checking it up
18:26 <wrtlprnft> that's the very strance reason thing
18:26 <wrtlprnft> *strange
18:26 <philippeqc> ;)
18:26 <philippeqc> but thats for points, points require a message
18:27 <philippeqc> no they dont
18:27 <wrtlprnft> afaik you can feed it any string
18:27 <philippeqc> but will give a message
18:27 <philippeqc> and it will put "$player_win_default"
18:27 <wrtlprnft> if it doesn't start in $ it should just output the string
18:27 <philippeqc> its just that it will make the point support it, and not the other effects
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:28 <philippeqc> should it be an attribute to all the effects, or an effect by itself
18:28 <wrtlprnft> an effect by itself?
18:29 <wrtlprnft> _AND_ and attribute to the points thing
18:29 <philippeqc> yes, in my model that you could trigger a message as one of the various effects
18:29 <philippeqc> I'll just rig something rather than to look for a perfect solution
18:30 <wrtlprnft> why won't that stuff link? :(
18:32 <wrtlprnft> it does link libmathexpr to the other objects, but still i get linker errors :(
18:32 <philippeqc> did you change Makefile.am?
18:34 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:35 <wrtlprnft> i greped all those files for particles and added the libmathexpr in the same spots
18:38 <wrtlprnft> just checked with nm, libmathexpr.a does contain the functions the linker is missing
18:40 <wrtlprnft> i don't get it :(
18:40 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any ideas to the above?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the linker line is
18:40 <wrtlprnft> g++ -I. -I.. -g -DDEBUG -Wall -Wpointer-arith -W -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wconversion --pedantic -Wno-unused-parameter -Wno-long-long -I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT -o armagetronad_main armagetronad_main-gFloor.o armagetronad_main-cCockpit.o armagetronad_main-cMap.o libtron.a libenginecore.a libengine.a libnetwork.a libui.a thirdparty/shttpd/libshttpd.a thirdparty/mathexpr/libmathexpr.a librender.a libtools.a thirdparty/particles/libparticles.a -lpthread -lSDL_image -ljpeg -lpng -lz -lGLU -lGL -lSDL_mixer -lSDL -lpthread -lm -L/usr/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm -lGLU -lGL -lfreetype -lz -lftgl -lfreetype -lz
18:41 <wrtlprnft> one error is
18:41 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp:218: undefined reference to `ROperation::Val() const'
18:41 <wrtlprnft> but nm src/thirdparty/mathexpr/libmathexpr.a | grep ' T ' | grep Val
18:41 <wrtlprnft> outputs
18:41 <z-man> The order in which you put the various libraries into the linker line is important
18:42 <wrtlprnft> 0000c462 T _ZNK10ROperation3ValEv
18:42 <wrtlprnft> it is?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> how do i influence it?
18:42 <z-man> unfortunately, yes
18:42 <wrtlprnft> and what's the correct order?
18:42 <z-man> I think the more masic stuff belongs to the end of the line
18:43 <z-man> you can influence the order by changing the order of the various library declarations in Makefile.am, I guess.
18:43 <wrtlprnft> so put it right before tools?
18:43 <z-man> yes.
18:43 <z-man> Right after, probably
18:44 <z-man> if tools use it, it has to come after tools on the line.
18:44 <wrtlprnft> hmm, tools uses it, true
18:44 <wrtlprnft> thanks, i wouldn't have come to the idea to change the order
18:44 <z-man> np
18:44 <wrtlprnft> make run through :)
18:44 <wrtlprnft> *ran
18:45 <z-man> it's one of the well kept secrets :)
18:45 <wrtlprnft> aww, and you disclosed it too me
18:45 <wrtlprnft> *to
18:46 <wrtlprnft> my typing is bad right now :(
18:47 <wrtlprnft> wooo! and it works!
18:48 <wrtlprnft> static tValue::Expr foo(tString("1+1"));
18:48 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << "Result: " << foo.GetFloat() << std::endl;
18:48 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to check variables
18:54 <philippeqc> o no.... more work for me!!!!
18:55 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:56 <wrtlprnft> static float x=2,y=5;
18:56 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Expr::varmap_t teh_map;
18:56 <wrtlprnft> teh_map[tString("x")] = &x;
18:56 <wrtlprnft> teh_map[tString("y")] = &y;
18:56 <wrtlprnft> static tValue::Expr foo(tString("x+y"), teh_map);
18:56 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << "Result: " << foo.GetFloat() << std::endl;
18:56 <wrtlprnft> this works too now :)
18:56 <wrtlprnft> i'll commit that for now and worry about supporting callback functions later
18:57 <wrtlprnft> that is, first i need to switch branches
18:58 <wrtlprnft> first i'll backup what i did in case SVN messes up
19:05 <philippeqc> humm, I should merge my changes too
19:05 <wrtlprnft> second
19:05 <philippeqc> my branch is quite stable
19:05 <wrtlprnft> i was just about to switch my changes into your branch and commit there
19:05 <wrtlprnft> if you merge i won't have to do that
19:05 <wrtlprnft> oh
19:05 <philippeqc> ok, how do I merge it?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> if you merge, please revert map.dtd and make a new file
19:06 <wrtlprnft> dunno, ask Lucifer_arma or poor z-man
19:06 <wrtlprnft> with your servers some old maps that use map.dtd won't work anymore
19:06 <wrtlprnft> *with servers running your code
19:08 <wrtlprnft> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/re16.html sounds promising
19:09 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft and runs off to halo
19:10 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
19:10 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey
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19:10 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey
19:10 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey
19:10 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
19:11 -!- philippeqc is now known as SpideySlappersBr
19:11 * SpideySlappersBr slap spidey
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19:11 * SpideySlappersBr slap spidey
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19:11 -!- SpideySlappersBr is now known as philippeqc
19:11 <wrtlprnft> that'll look great on the ircstats :)
19:12 <philippeqc> ;)
19:12 <wrtlprnft> though i don't know if it recognizes "slap"
19:13 <philippeqc> o sorry
19:13 -!- philippeqc is now known as SpideySlappersBr
19:13 <wrtlprnft> haha
19:13 * SpideySlappersBr slaps spidey
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19:13 -!- SpideySlappersBr is now known as philippeqc
19:13 <philippeqc> that should be better now
19:13 <wrtlprnft> if the darn websvn was working i'd tell you at which revision you started the branch
19:13 <wrtlprnft> yes, indedd
19:13 <wrtlprnft> *indeed
19:14 <philippeqc> how should I name the dtd?
19:14 <philippeqc> map-0.3.1.dtd
19:14 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:15 <wrtlprnft> name it with -a first, as long as it's subject to changes
19:15 <wrtlprnft> when we release 0.3.1 you can name it like that :)
19:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you started the branch at r5733
19:16 <philippeqc> that wont do a good svn usage
19:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: why?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> you first use svn cp to copy the map.dtd in old state
19:17 <wrtlprnft> then you modify the new file
19:17 <wrtlprnft> that'll preserve all history for both files
19:18 <wrtlprnft> it wouldn't have been good with svn, true
19:18 <philippeqc> but shouldnt map.dtd just mean "head" and when someone publishes a file out of the self containment of the code trunk, they should name it to something else?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> actually svn makes sortresources.py obsolete in theory
19:18 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: well, old maps use it
19:18 <philippeqc> darn
19:18 <wrtlprnft> including z-man's fortress and sumo maps
19:18 <philippeqc> bad bad bad
19:19 <philippeqc> ok, so I should do
19:19 <philippeqc> svn cp map.dtd map-0.3.1.dtd
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19:19 <wrtlprnft> first revert your changes to map.dtd
19:19 <wrtlprnft> but save them locally
19:19 <philippeqc> cp map.dtd map-backup.dtd
19:20 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:20 <philippeqc> how do I revert?
19:20 <wrtlprnft> svn revert
19:20 <philippeqc> up to what point?
19:20 <wrtlprnft> no
19:20 <wrtlprnft> gah
19:20 <wrtlprnft> other idea
19:20 <philippeqc> have a bit too much wine in me to expose mysefl to new notions
19:20 <philippeqc> ok
19:20 <wrtlprnft> do svn mv map.dtd map-0.3.1-a.dtd
19:21 <philippeqc> ok
19:21 <philippeqc> u sure, I change map.dtd like 2-3 times a day
19:21 <wrtlprnft> and then svn cp https://path/to/trunk/map.dtd map.dth
19:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no, change it as you wish
19:22 <wrtlprnft> as long as we don't release anything it's fine
19:22 <wrtlprnft> to use the same dtd
19:22 <philippeqc> if I have a copy of the map.dtd in a checkout totally independant of this, will it work?
19:22 <philippeqc> "here" I just have my own private branch
19:24 <wrtlprnft> now you confused me
19:24 <wrtlprnft> if you merge anything back, just be sure to not change map.dtd
19:24 <philippeqc> I have a checkout of my branch in some folder. I have a checkout of trunk somewhere else far away on my disk.
19:25 <philippeqc> can I use svn copy from THAT trunk to my junk.
19:25 <wrtlprnft> just copy that map.dtd over
19:25 <wrtlprnft> with a normal cp
19:25 <wrtlprnft> as you're merging back it doesn't really matter
19:25 <philippeqc> svn: 'map.dtd' is scheduled for deletion; it must be committed before being overwritten
19:25 <wrtlprnft> !
19:25 <wrtlprnft> now i think we screwed up
19:26 <philippeqc> the svn cp flagged it for deletion
19:26 <wrtlprnft> cp?!
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19:26 <wrtlprnft> did you do the svn mv command?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> then do, sec
19:27 <wrtlprnft> svn cp https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/resource/proto/map.dtd resource/proto/map.dtd
19:28 <philippeqc> svn: Path 'https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/resource/proto/map.dtd' not found in revision 5847
19:28 <wrtlprnft> argh!
19:28 <wrtlprnft> so that won't work
19:28 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:29 <wrtlprnft> what does svn revert resource/proto/map.dtd resource/proto/map-0.3.1.dtd say?
19:29 <wrtlprnft> assuming you have a backup of your changes
19:29 <philippeqc> Reverted 'resource/proto/map.dtd'
19:29 <philippeqc> Reverted 'resource/proto/map-0.3.1-a.dtd'
19:30 <wrtlprnft> and now svn cp resource/proto/map-backup.dtd resource/proto/map-0.3.1-a.dtd
19:30 <wrtlprnft> and then add that file
19:31 <wrtlprnft> and commit everything first before you merge
19:31 <philippeqc> svn: File 'resource/proto/map-0.3.1-a.dtd' already exists
19:31 <wrtlprnft> you already added it?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> well, fine with me
19:31 <philippeqc> no diff
19:31 <wrtlprnft> what about map.dtd now?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> does it still exist?
19:32 <wrtlprnft> is it still in SVN
19:32 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:32 <philippeqc> no diff between map.dtd and map-backup.dtd
19:32 <philippeqc> yes in svn
19:32 <wrtlprnft> well, you need to get map.dtd back to the state it was in before
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19:32 <wrtlprnft> the dirty way would be just by copying over an old revision
19:33 <philippeqc> how do I do that
19:33 <wrtlprnft> like, the one in the trunk
19:33 <philippeqc> from trunk
19:33 <philippeqc> ok
19:33 <wrtlprnft> and then hope for the best :S
19:33 <wrtlprnft> commit it, I'll check it out and see if everything looks right :)
19:35 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5848 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (map-0.3.1-a.dtd map.dtd): hopefully preserved map.dtd as its old self
19:35 <philippeqc> commiting
19:35 <wrtlprnft> updating
19:35 <philippeqc> ok
19:35 <wrtlprnft> looking good
19:36 <philippeqc> good
19:36 <wrtlprnft> shall i try the merge?
19:36 <philippeqc> ok
19:36 <wrtlprnft> wish me luck :S
19:37 <philippeqc> lol
19:37 <philippeqc> wait
19:37 <philippeqc> I'll checkout head
19:37 <philippeqc> as a safety
19:37 <wrtlprnft> you didn't do anything out of armagetronad, right?
19:37 <wrtlprnft> in files out of
19:37 <philippeqc> ????
19:37 <philippeqc> no just aa stuff
19:38 <wrtlprnft> because you branched everything
19:38 <wrtlprnft> winlibs etc
19:38 <philippeqc> yes I know, made a mistake
19:38 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /r[0-9]{4}/ --from wrtlprnft
19:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: '/r' is not a valid regular expression.
19:39 <philippeqc> o wait, I disable the classic notion of a winzone (appear after no death)
19:39 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex "/r[0-9]{4}/" --from wrtlprnft
19:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [12:17:40] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you started the branch at r5733
19:39 <philippeqc> you recall you wrote that to me!
19:40 <philippeqc> lol luke did the same as I did, and copied winlibs and all in his branch
19:40 <wrtlprnft> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/armagetronad'
19:40 <wrtlprnft> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/armagetronad': could not connect to server (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
19:40 <wrtlprnft> wtf!
19:40 <wrtlprnft> svn down or what?!
19:42 <philippeqc> not for me
19:42 <wrtlprnft> for me neither
19:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe some mistake by me
19:42 <wrtlprnft> I'll try to merge the complete branch
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19:42 <wrtlprnft> after i checked out winlibs...
19:43 <philippeqc> ok
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it's doing something!
19:43 <philippeqc> lol
19:44 <wrtlprnft> dang
19:44 <wrtlprnft> first conflict in gWinZone.h!
19:44 <philippeqc> lol
19:44 <philippeqc> flush that file ;)
19:44 <wrtlprnft> what prick changed something there?!
19:44 <philippeqc> lol
19:44 <wrtlprnft> flush like revert?
19:44 <philippeqc> nononononono
19:44 <philippeqc> forget that
19:44 <wrtlprnft> like ignore the trunk change?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> i'll check the conflicts
19:45 <philippeqc> lets see what was changed
19:45 <wrtlprnft> wait until it merged everything
19:45 <wrtlprnft> C armagetronad/src/tron/gWinZone.h
19:45 <wrtlprnft> C armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp
19:45 <wrtlprnft> C armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp
19:45 <wrtlprnft> C armagetronad/src/tron/gWinZone.cpp
19:45 <wrtlprnft> those conflict
19:46 <philippeqc> cockpit/cMap.cpp ? It must have been a "check, type something by mistake, commit"
19:47 <wrtlprnft> i'll see
19:47 <philippeqc> still backing up the big trunk!
19:47 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no need
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you can always revert
19:48 <philippeqc> cp -i -R armagetronad/ armagetronad-backup
19:48 <philippeqc> that type of backup
19:48 <philippeqc> this is BIG
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you totally deleted gWinZoneHack?
19:48 <philippeqc> yes
19:48 <wrtlprnft> so that's fine
19:49 <wrtlprnft> probably there's a change somewhere in it
19:49 <wrtlprnft> in the deleted stuff
19:49 <philippeqc> I should probably finish removing gWinZone.*
19:49 <wrtlprnft> a change z-man made in the branch and merged back
19:49 <philippeqc> o
19:49 <wrtlprnft> #include <boost/shared_ptr.hpp>
19:49 <wrtlprnft> why did you add that?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> it's not used
19:49 <philippeqc> what file
19:50 <wrtlprnft> gWinZone.h
19:50 <philippeqc> THAT you can remove
19:50 <wrtlprnft> k
19:50 <philippeqc> shuffled lots of stuff around
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #include "zone/zEffectGroup.h"
19:51 <wrtlprnft> what about that one?
19:51 <philippeqc> remove
19:51 <wrtlprnft> k
19:51 <philippeqc> did z-man change anything in that file?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> probably
19:52 <wrtlprnft> lemme check
19:52 <philippeqc> lol
19:52 <philippeqc> it got the axe
19:52 <wrtlprnft> infact
19:52 <wrtlprnft> i changed something
19:53 <wrtlprnft> i fixed the minimap problem
19:53 <philippeqc> yes! what?
19:53 <philippeqc> oooooooooooo
19:53 <philippeqc> bad!
19:53 <wrtlprnft> well
19:53 <wrtlprnft> does the problem still persist in your branch?
19:53 <wrtlprnft> i'll just remove my fix for now and find the new point where it has to be later
19:53 <philippeqc> yes
19:54 <philippeqc> the prob is still there
19:54 <wrtlprnft> i'll fix it later
19:55 <philippeqc> gWall has some changes required for the respawn
19:56 <wrtlprnft> gZone is dead, right?
19:56 <philippeqc> yes, gWinZone is dead
19:56 <wrtlprnft> so i can just ignore my changes in gWinZone.cpp since they only affected gZone
19:56 <philippeqc> but dont remove the content
19:57 <philippeqc> there might be special cases there that I need to move into my code
19:57 <philippeqc> sg_CreateWinDeathZone for example
19:57 <wrtlprnft> i only removed the changes i did that created a conflict
19:57 <philippeqc> ok
19:58 <wrtlprnft> i didn't remove commented out stuff
19:58 <philippeqc> its ok
19:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm
19:59 <wrtlprnft> ok, the conflict in gWall is:
19:59 <wrtlprnft> you added:
19:59 <wrtlprnft> #ifdef DEBUG REAL range = 5 * ( begDist_ + endDist_ ) * EPS; tASSERT( begDist_ <= endDist_ + range ); tASSERT( begDist_ >= netWall_->Pos( 0 ) - range ); tASSERT( endDist_ <= netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + range );
19:59 <wrtlprnft> #endif
19:59 <wrtlprnft> but you removed:
19:59 <wrtlprnft> tASSERT( begDist_ >= netWall_->Pos( 0 ) - EPS );
19:59 <wrtlprnft> tASSERT( endDist_ <= netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + EPS );
19:59 <wrtlprnft> err
19:59 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:59 <wrtlprnft> you added:
20:00 <wrtlprnft> #ifdef DEBUG
20:00 <wrtlprnft> REAL range = 5 * ( begDist_ + endDist_ ) * EPS;
20:00 <wrtlprnft> tASSERT( begDist_ <= endDist_ + range );
20:00 <wrtlprnft> tASSERT( begDist_ >= netWall_->Pos( 0 ) - range );
20:00 <wrtlprnft> tASSERT( endDist_ <= netWall_->Pos( 1 ) + range );
20:00 <philippeqc> its a < for a <=
20:00 <wrtlprnft> #endif
20:00 <wrtlprnft> no
20:00 <wrtlprnft> it's a EPS for a range
20:00 <wrtlprnft> what's better?
20:01 <philippeqc> range is a fix from z-man
20:01 <wrtlprnft> so, do i take yours or his?
20:01 <philippeqc> his
20:01 <wrtlprnft> k
20:01 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: you copy trunk to make a branch. that includes winlibs et al
20:01 <wrtlprnft> only cMap.cpp left!
20:02 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: it seems heavy to do that
20:02 <philippeqc> coulntd we just copy armagetronad
20:02 <wrtlprnft> ah, you changed gZone to zZone in cMap.cpp
20:02 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: no, it's the same to copy any directory, except copying the trunk does a proper branch
20:02 <philippeqc> hehe, easy change
20:02 <luke-jr_> it's no more expensive to copy the full trunk
20:02 <philippeqc> ok
20:03 <wrtlprnft> ok, basically ready to commit
20:03 <philippeqc> hehe
20:03 <luke-jr_> a copy in Subversion is stored as more-or-less "copy(source, destination)"
20:04 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: when will you fix the res repo to support dtd?
20:04 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: there is nothing broken; DTDs will likely never be automatically uploadable and always require a manual request
20:04 <luke-jr_> there is no way to verify them automatically
20:05 <philippeqc> verify for what?
20:05 <luke-jr_> validity
20:05 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: sure there is a way to verify them
20:05 <philippeqc> dtd arent validated
20:05 <wrtlprnft> just autogenerate and empty XML file that uses the DTD and see if you get a DTD parsing error
20:06 <luke-jr_> need to verify relation too
20:06 <philippeqc> relation?
20:07 <luke-jr_> make sure it's related to the projec
20:07 <luke-jr_> otherwise we could end up with arbitrary XML data
20:07 <luke-jr_> websites, even
20:07 <philippeqc> you can inspect the latest entries from time to time
20:08 <philippeqc> and prevent that better than any script that could be devised
20:08 <luke-jr_> that's more work than simply adding DTDs manually
20:08 <luke-jr_> DTDs shouldn't be high-traffic enough to warrant an automatic system
20:08 <philippeqc> for me they are
20:09 <philippeqc> and someone had to ask you to host his dtd because he wanted a map with it
20:09 <luke-jr_> I have received 1 request
20:09 <luke-jr_> hardly high traffic
20:09 <luke-jr_> bbiab
20:09 <philippeqc> because I cant go pm ing you everytime I make a change to the dtd
20:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: ph creates new DTDs for testing all the time
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, committing, prepare for breakage
20:10 <philippeqc> and I have to do weird hack about overwriting the square map so that people dont attempt to dl them
20:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: testing DTDs and resources don't belong in the permenant repository
20:10 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: just leave luke-jr_ and his repository alone and make your own one. much more convienient
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5849 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (54 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch /private/philippeqc from revision 5733 to 5848:
20:11 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: a solution would be to support sending clients a MAP_FILE other than the one the server uses
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: r5733 | philippeqc | 2006-07-17 22:22:08 +0200 (Mon, 17 Jul 2006) | 1 line
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Philippeqc private space
20:11 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: either you are the project resource repo, either you arent
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:11 <armabot> armagetronad: r5737 | philippeqc | 2006-07-18 00:22:15 +0200 (Tue, 18 Jul 2006) | 1 line
20:11 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: that is a sucky hack
20:11 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: Unversioned resources are not valid, and do not belong in any repo
20:11 <philippeqc> and need me to double my wok
20:11 <philippeqc> they are very much versioned ty
20:12 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: check if your map still works with the trunk
20:12 <philippeqc> ok
20:12 <philippeqc> fecthing the trunk
20:12 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: well, make yourself a password-protected script to add such DTDs then, I guess
20:13 <luke-jr_> the upload script we have right now requires XML format
20:13 <wrtlprnft> i didn't even check for compile errors yet as i wanted to keep the merge working copy clean
20:13 <philippeqc> you are the one who did that script. could you update it to support dtd too?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> ie not put build files into it
20:13 <luke-jr_> should be simple to check for $_SERVER['HTTP_AUTH_USER'] == 'philippeqc' and if so allow it
20:13 <philippeqc> it would be much easier
20:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: then allow it for all devs
20:14 <wrtlprnft> i might do the same for the cockpit
20:14 <luke-jr_> maybe later-- dont have time now
20:14 <philippeqc> ./bootstrap.sh
20:14 <wrtlprnft> wrong
20:14 <wrtlprnft> window
20:15 <philippeqc> lol, write one, telling you what step I'm at
20:15 <philippeqc> makign
20:15 <wrtlprnft> the client just built
20:15 <wrtlprnft> i used an old checkout and updated it
20:15 <philippeqc> making the client too
20:15 <philippeqc> yes
20:15 <philippeqc> me too, but with my most recent checkout
20:16 <wrtlprnft> and it runs
20:16 <wrtlprnft> wow
20:17 <wrtlprnft> it crashes if i try to load fortress_complete.cfg
20:17 <philippeqc> it must, too much changes to the format
20:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, that sucks
20:17 <wrtlprnft> uh, old maps should stay compatible
20:18 <philippeqc> they will need updating
20:18 <wrtlprnft> can't you just keep gWinZoneHack, gBaseZoneHack and gDeathZoneHack as they are?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> and parse them too?
20:19 <wrtlprnft> there's too many maps to require the authors to update them all
20:19 <wrtlprnft> ed wouldn't be happy at all
20:19 <philippeqc> arch! that create such a clunk in the code
20:19 <wrtlprnft> he couldn't upgrade to 0.3.1
20:19 <wrtlprnft> *wouldn't be able to
20:19 <wrtlprnft> or just add that to the parser and make it create the new zone objects
20:19 <philippeqc> its not that much change in the maps
20:20 <wrtlprnft> like, support the old format, but convert it into the new kinds of objects
20:21 <philippeqc> and it would double the dtd
20:21 <philippeqc> and make for weird situation
20:21 <philippeqc> new zones have no colors
20:21 <philippeqc> old ones have one that depend on the effect
20:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no, don't add it to the new dtd
20:21 <philippeqc> ok
20:21 <wrtlprnft> old maps would keep the old dtd
20:22 <wrtlprnft> so just parse <Zone effect="fortress"> as a zone plus a monitor with the color of the closest team
20:23 <wrtlprnft> i though the map format was designed to be backwars compatible ><
20:23 <wrtlprnft> *thought
20:23 * z-man thought that, too
20:23 <philippeqc> grrrr
20:23 <philippeqc> ok ok
20:23 <z-man> a server running the new code should be able to accept clients using the old code
20:23 <philippeqc> :(
20:24 <philippeqc> communication is no probl
20:24 <z-man> and if both don't understand the same map, that's chaos
20:24 <philippeqc> the data is read on the server only
20:24 <philippeqc> client read the walls, and ignore the rest
20:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:24 <z-man> Oh, right
20:24 <philippeqc> server send the zones in-game
20:24 <wrtlprnft> but this way ed can't use the new features on his server
20:24 <z-man> So whatever the new map format is, old clients will eat it?
20:24 <philippeqc> yes
20:25 <z-man> and the new client will work with old maps?
20:25 <philippeqc> never could actually try it, as the resource repo refused my dtd and maps
20:25 <wrtlprnft> he'd either have to convert all old maps (a LOT)! or just don't upgrade to 0.3.1
20:25 <wrtlprnft> z-man: it should
20:25 <wrtlprnft> the new client supports old maps
20:25 <philippeqc> i'll make the change
20:25 <wrtlprnft> and the old client supports new maps
20:25 <wrtlprnft> i tested both
20:25 <z-man> Then it's not a big problem, is it?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> it is
20:26 <wrtlprnft> on CTWF for example
20:26 <philippeqc> ok
20:26 <philippeqc> neat
20:26 <wrtlprnft> it lives off the huge amounts of maps available
20:26 <philippeqc> it just the new server reading old maps prob
20:26 <wrtlprnft> and you can never convert them all at once
20:26 <z-man> Ok, then the question is:
20:26 <z-man> What will be more work? Adding compatibility code, or converting all the maps?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> 2nd
20:27 <wrtlprnft> and i don't think the new format even supports all the old features yet
20:27 <philippeqc> like what?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> zones can't change their rotation speed the way they can on fortress zones
20:28 <philippeqc> the map format support it, the engine doesnt
20:28 <wrtlprnft> and in general the old format is simpler and easier to learn
20:28 <z-man> Well, there's plenty of time to catch up.
20:28 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
20:28 <philippeqc> thats a valid point
20:28 <philippeqc> old format is easier
20:28 <z-man> All the compatibility stuff only needs to be ready for 1.0 or 4.0
20:28 <z-man> err, 0.4
20:29 <wrtlprnft> if the old format can be converted to the new one losslessly, why don't we add compatibility code that does that?
20:29 <wrtlprnft> or an external tool to do it
20:29 <z-man> Until then, we can safely say "if you don't want to lose features, don't upgrade".
20:30 <philippeqc> z-man, I removed all of the settings that are zone related. Now everything is stirred from the map
20:30 <z-man> Good.
20:30 <z-man> At one point, we should go another way:
20:30 <philippeqc> there might be some lesser know that dont have equivalent.
20:30 <z-man> make it possible for resources to define new setting items
20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5850 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Added mathexpr library (
20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: http://www.eleves.ens.fr/home/ollivier/mathlib/mathexpr.html ) to src/thirdparty
20:31 <z-man> so you can have a map, and control the zones' sizes by SUPER_ZONE_SIZE.
20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: and added new class tValue::Expr that allows other code to use it, currently
20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: without custom functions, but with custom variables.
20:31 <philippeqc> map defining their settings sound nice
20:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that might be possible with tValue
20:32 <wrtlprnft> just make a tag to define a new config item with its name and then allow formulas to use it as a variable
20:32 <wrtlprnft> if everything can be a formula that should be fine
20:33 <wrtlprnft> we just need to care about making them sticky since maps get reloaded every round
20:33 <z-man> yes, the stickyness is a problem
20:33 <z-man> if we want to support this for other resources, even more
20:34 <wrtlprnft> mathematical formula support just got added ^^^
20:34 <z-man> because they may get loaded even more irregularily
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: it won't be a problem for the cockpit
20:34 <z-man> The cockpit stays loaded all of the time?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> it gets loaded on the first frame and stays until the user changes COCKPIT_FILE or ends arma
20:35 <z-man> We could make it so that ALL resources are kept "alive" while they're in use
20:35 <z-man> even if they're just parsed to initialize stuff.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> or their settings at least
20:35 <wrtlprnft> and then there's the problem with config files
20:35 <z-man> Oh, right, they get loaded before the map
20:35 <philippeqc> what if resource defined attributes are simply preserved?
20:35 <z-man> so the system doesn't know that the variables exist yet.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> maybe just add an extra type of setting?
20:35 <philippeqc> s/attribute/settings/
20:36 <wrtlprnft> so you say in the config file RESOURCE_SETTING wrtlprnft/testfile-*.aacockpit.xml DISPLAY_TIME 0
20:36 <wrtlprnft> and then it would save that rule
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20:37 <z-man> yes, that sounds like a better approach.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> no matter if the file is loaded already or has a setting of this name
20:37 <nemostultae> wrtlprnft: You forgot to add mathexpr.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> what?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> AAARGH!
20:37 <wrtlprnft> sorry
20:38 <wrtlprnft> i forgot to add any new files
20:40 <wrtlprnft> how do i delete files i accidently added withou really deleting them?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> i accidently added Makefile.in
20:40 <z-man> revert?
20:40 <z-man> oh, no, wouldn't work.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't that delete them?
20:40 <z-man> just delete it, I mean, it will get regenerated when needed.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> ok
20:43 <wrtlprnft> committed
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5851 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/mathexpr/ (8 files): Opps, forgot to actually add mathexpr...
20:44 <wrtlprnft> hope that was all files i created
20:44 <wrtlprnft> oh yeah, mathexpr isn't in original state
20:45 <wrtlprnft> i converted it to use float instead of double and const * in some places
20:45 <wrtlprnft> needed to integrate it properly
20:50 <wrtlprnft> anyways, as soon as we get support for custom scoring messages I'll update the race server and map generator
20:50 <wrtlprnft> then i can finally give points for the 2nd and 3rd person reaching the zonre
20:50 <wrtlprnft> *zone
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21:04 <luke-jr_> mathexpr should have been in a branch]
21:05 <luke-jr_> especially seeing that it's temporary at best
21:05 <wrtlprnft> ...
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it a) needs to be in the same branch
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it a) needs to be in the same branch as philippeqc's zones to be of any use
21:06 <philippeqc> and we just merged zones
21:06 <wrtlprnft> it b) is only a very local change that doesn't break anything
21:06 <luke-jr_> o, that was merged
21:06 * luke-jr_ didn't notice thatr
21:06 <philippeqc> we just did it like 1 hours ago
21:06 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
21:06 * luke-jr_ didn't notice it =p
21:07 <luke-jr_> I wasn't aware there were plans to merge it until after tValue/tCode were ready for it
21:07 <luke-jr_> but whatever
21:08 <wrtlprnft> tValue is ready
21:08 <luke-jr_> in particular, I was thinking that perhaps we should do 0.3.1 before merging expression stuff
21:08 <wrtlprnft> tValue was ready all the time
21:08 <luke-jr_> tValue can parse strings?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> no
21:08 <luke-jr_> so it's not suitable for the zone stuff, is it?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> tValue is the structure in which parsed strings are supposed to be saved into
21:09 <luke-jr_> anyhow
21:09 <luke-jr_> guess it's too late for 0.3.1 to be pre-expressions
21:09 <wrtlprnft> i did some testing, I let an expression be evaluated 100 times per second
21:09 <wrtlprnft> it isn't that bad
21:10 <wrtlprnft> *per frame
21:10 <wrtlprnft> CPU is cheap anyways
21:14 <luke-jr_> 100 times per frame?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: If i let it calculate the result of sin(x)+y^2 1000 times per frame the slowdown is barely noticable
21:24 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: and your computer isnt that fast either
21:24 <wrtlprnft> it isn't
21:24 <wrtlprnft> i get like 15 to 25 FPS depending on my computer's mood and the number of wall
21:24 <wrtlprnft> s
21:26 <philippeqc> half a good news! I have text associated with effects, but I cant make it do a \n (it display \n) and the messages seems to appear twice.
21:26 <wrtlprnft> just replace "\\n" by "
21:26 <wrtlprnft> " in the string?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> ack
21:27 <wrtlprnft> just replace "\\n" by "<backslash>n" in the string?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> ><
21:27 <philippeqc> it seems to read it from the language files with "\n"
21:27 <wrtlprnft> yes, but that's something different
21:27 <wrtlprnft> let me check something
21:28 <wrtlprnft> use sn_ConsoleOutMessage()
21:28 <wrtlprnft> but you still have to do the replacing yourself
21:29 <wrtlprnft> that function just accepts a tString const &
21:30 <philippeqc> I'll check it tomorrow
21:31 <philippeqc> I'm too tired now
21:31 <philippeqc> cya
21:32 <wrtlprnft> cya
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21:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: via tValue? how about more complex things such as a summation and deeper tValue calculations?
21:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: also, I'm guessing your CPU is significantly more powerful than your GPU
21:35 <luke-jr_> that is not always the case
21:36 <wrtlprnft> it's some 1.3GHz pentium M
21:36 <Subliminal> o.o
21:36 <luke-jr_> and the GPU?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, sec
21:37 <wrtlprnft> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
21:37 <luke-jr_> the only reliable way to test this is if your CPU is maxed out by the game before the test
21:37 <luke-jr_> eg, when you're playing, is the CPU at 100%?
21:37 <wrtlprnft> no
21:37 <luke-jr_> a good test would be to disable hardware accel and compare the FPS
21:38 <luke-jr_> tValue adds to CPU usage-- that's what needs to be tested
21:38 <wrtlprnft> it is at about 50% both ways
21:38 <luke-jr_> if the game normally only uses 20% CPU, it could raise 80% more before you'd notice
21:38 <luke-jr_> if you want to test it reliably, I suggest using software rendering
21:39 <luke-jr_> and a summation
21:39 <wrtlprnft> heck, 25000 calculations per second won't keep a CPU busy
21:39 <luke-jr_> or some other expression implemented by a loop
21:39 <wrtlprnft> summation = not what people would usually use
21:39 <wrtlprnft> normal people will only use trig functions and standard operators
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that's it
21:40 <wrtlprnft> the rest is fancy stuff that only few people understand anyways
21:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, who tells you mathexpr isn't fast?
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5852 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: Added StateUpdate() to stuff that is called right after network data is
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: received. This should fix the short rounds at match end if a player scores
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: at the last possible momemt when the round restart has already been decided,
21:50 <armabot> armagetronad: but not yet executed; that moment now no longer exists.
21:59 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5853 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
21:59 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added new files from ph's branch
21:59 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added pow10 and pow10f to defs.h
22:03 <spidey> hmm
22:03 <wrtlprnft> poor nemo and joda always have to clean up the mess we linux guys leave behind ;)
22:03 * spidey adds a instant chat "owned pwned shut the hell up"
22:03 <spidey> ;x
22:05 <Subliminal> hey spidey
22:05 <spidey> yo
22:05 <Subliminal> were u playin earlier as swoosh?
22:06 <spidey> no?
22:06 <spidey> i been watching tv
22:06 <Subliminal> hm
22:06 <Subliminal> lotta ppl tryin to figure out who he is
22:10 <spidey> probably skip
22:15 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5854 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/mathexpr/ (COPYING Makefile.am): Added permission information to math expression library
22:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: good idea, wasn't sure what to write
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> so, can I make my death zone that fluctuates in size and circles the arena now? ;)
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. expressions for x, y, and radius
22:18 <wrtlprnft> not yet
22:18 <wrtlprnft> it's just there and waiting to be used
22:18 <wrtlprnft> already integrated into tValue tho
22:18 <wrtlprnft> i posted an example on how to use it a while ago
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> static float x=2,y=5;
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Expr::varmap_t teh_map;
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> teh_map[tString("x")] = &x;
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> teh_map[tString("y")] = &y;
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> static tValue::Expr foo(tString("x+y"), teh_map);
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 18:56 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << "Result: " << foo.GetFloat() << std::endl;
22:20 <wrtlprnft> of course, for real usage you would create the tValue::Expr somwhere while parsing and then store the result in any place that accepts a tValue
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> aha. What about variables? Like, how do we make variables like gametime available to it?
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> is that something that tValue provides, or will the user of tValue have to provide it?
22:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: summations have potential use, as part of a calculus formula perhaps
22:23 * Lucifer_arma couldn't help but notice luke-jr_ poo-pooing it already, heh
22:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: both in the end probably
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> sure, use a Taylor polynomial to approximate a function we can't otherwise approximate
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> this thing does differentiation and integration, doesn't it?
22:24 <wrtlprnft> i can easily make some general variables available
22:24 * wrtlprnft has no clue if that thing can cook coffee
22:24 * Lucifer_arma notes that if luke-jr_ wants it to do more, he can add it :)
22:24 * wrtlprnft notes that the code has just the density luke-jr_ should like
22:25 <wrtlprnft> takes real effort to read
22:25 <wrtlprnft> that guy didn't waste whitespace
22:25 <wrtlprnft> makes for faster compiletimes
22:25 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.rss
22:25 <wrtlprnft> oops
22:26 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: ../../../../src/thirdparty/mathexpr/mathexpr.cpp:23:18: defs.h: No such file or directory
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> I think it would be awfully helpful to have tValue make a bunch of general variables available, but I know some of them won't make sense that way
22:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, the parser can maintain a general list itself
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and add special vars where needed
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and the whole thing doesn't support callback functions yet
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> right. :) It's just the library gives us the big first step, but there's still lots of little steps
22:28 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr does support callbacks that take a float as agrument and return one
22:28 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make it support functions with no arguments as well
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, that callback is for functions, it sounds like
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> so you could define your own sin() function, for example
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> what functions does it come with? Maybe I should just look at it :)
22:30 <wrtlprnft> it does come with trig functions and stuff
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22:30 <wrtlprnft> but they aren't implemented as callbacks IIRC
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> awwww, doesn't look like there's integration, just differentiation
22:32 <wrtlprnft> add it if you see fit
22:32 <z-man> That's because integration is infinitely more difficult and can't always be done.
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> case E10:opc='E';break; <---- does this mean it does support summation?
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22:33 <z-man> We could add it for polynomials, perhaps.
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> umm, the real question is do we need to do integration? I'm looking at it more the way you look at a new car right now. :)
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i think E10 means exponent ten
22:33 <wrtlprnft> like 5e10
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> ah, scientific notation
22:34 <wrtlprnft> *exponent to the base of ten
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> only sin, cos, and tan, no sec, csc, or cot
22:35 <wrtlprnft> enum ROperator{ErrOp,Juxt,Num,Var,Add,Sub,Opp,Mult,Div,Pow,Sqrt, NthRoot,Abs,Sin,Cos,Tg,Ln,Exp,Acos,Asin,Atan,E10,Fun};
22:35 <wrtlprnft> sec and friends are obsolete
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it supports pi, but does it have e ?
22:35 <wrtlprnft> and i've never seen them in german math classes
22:36 <wrtlprnft> well, e would be easy to add
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> sec and friends are awfully convenient to have
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22:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't find e, we should probably add it
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so we can have the inverse of ln, which is does have :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> EXTRA_DIST = COPYING, what does that do?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> it puts the file COPYING into the distribution when you do make dist
22:38 <wrtlprnft> aaah
22:38 <wrtlprnft> so it doesn't delete them?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't delete who?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> so it keeps COPYING, but discards example.cpp and friends?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> no, it shouldn't
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> anything in _SOURCES is automatically included in the distribution
22:39 <wrtlprnft> when doing make dist
22:39 <wrtlprnft> example.cpp isn't compiled, neither are the _c files
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone wanna play something really funky
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> join psychotron
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> then you probably want to add those to EXTRA_DIST so they can be put in the distribution :)
22:40 <wrtlprnft> is that needed?
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, sure. if someone wants to use the expression parser that comes with arma, they might need those, right?
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> it's a very small amount of extra space and doesn't affect performance, what does it hurt?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> did i just get kicked?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok, i will
22:43 <Subliminal> psychotron?
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> CYCLE_RUBBER sin(20*gametime)
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> or, better
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> CYCLE_RUBBER sin(gametime^2)
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, that's result in negative numbers
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> CYCLE_RUBBER 5sin(gametime^2) + 5
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> there
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> COLOR_R_1 16sin(gametime)
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> COLOR_R_1 16/ln(gametime)
22:46 <Subliminal> in the future will there be a wider range of colors? 256 diff colors maybe? aswell as for walls
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16^3
22:47 <armabot> 16^3 = 4,096
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> I could be on crack, but it looks like we already have 4096 different colors
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22:49 <Subliminal> currently can players customize the bikes specifically
22:49 <Subliminal> ?
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22:55 <Vanhayes> #g 7*6.70
22:55 <armabot> 7 * 6.70 = 46.9
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> Subliminal: you mean players having their own bikes? So instead of seeing everyone with the same bike, you'd see every player with his own bike?
22:56 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: i can't compile arma, shall i just put in an #ifdef MACOSX?
22:56 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
22:56 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: how about having config items as variable, and config items can be expressions?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> that second part might be hopelessly complicated though, heh
22:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, the second part is really complicated
22:58 <wrtlprnft> for the first part, technically possible, i just have to go understant that expr code
22:58 <wrtlprnft> oh, no, won't work
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> just thought it would be neat to make rubber a function of time, and walls length a function of rubber :)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr is in a dependency level above tools
22:59 <nemostultae> wrtlprnft: you would need to include config.h there, too, but otherwise that would be OK.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> so put both conig.h and defs.h in an #ifdef?
22:59 <Subliminal> no luci, i mean, can we go above for instance color_r_1 16, higher adding a higher variety?
23:00 <nemostultae> well, the ifdef needs config.h. How else would it know MACOSX? :)
23:00 <wrtlprnft> aaah
23:00 <wrtlprnft> right
23:01 <wrtlprnft> but if it can't find defs.h, how would it know config.h?
23:01 <wrtlprnft> better go fix the makefile
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you need to somehow get the include path down there :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> Subliminal: we're going to rework colors, but how we'll do it I don't know
23:02 <Subliminal> ok
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> internally you have a theoretically infinite variety because it's a float in the range [0, 1.0]
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> the integer range is there just for convenience
23:02 <DrJoeTron> BBL
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23:03 <wrtlprnft> ack
23:03 <wrtlprnft> that's why
23:04 <wrtlprnft> the makefile has still libparticles_a_CXXFLAGS in it
23:04 <wrtlprnft> that's where i copied it from :s
23:04 <wrtlprnft> now it compiles through
23:05 <wrtlprnft> this time i disabled sound >.>
23:06 <wrtlprnft> it's annoying if it will hang instead of exit because the sound is blocked
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and hinders your debugging since you have to kill -9 it, so data doesn't get saved
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> disabling sound works? :)
23:08 <wrtlprnft> dunno
23:08 <wrtlprnft> trying
23:08 <wrtlprnft> ../configure --disable-sound
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> it should, because that's how the dedicated server disables sound
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> there aren't any #ifndef DEDICATED in the sound engine :)
23:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1530644&group_id=110997&atid=657948
23:12 <wrtlprnft> probably it's the sound thread that won't finish
23:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, no more sound
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: thirdparty can be moved to below tools, it's not intentionally in a dependency above tools
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> since thirdparty isn't supposed to have *any* arma dependencies, it's probably more logical to put it at the bottom
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if mathexpr is below tools it doesn't know anything about config items
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> mathexpr doesn't need it, does it? tValue needs it
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> // The number that the variable "x" will point to
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> double x;
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> // Creates a variable named "x" and which value will be x
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> RVar xvar ( "x" , &x );
23:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: tCode won't need mathexpr anyway, so it's a temporary 3rdparty
23:18 <wrtlprnft> so you wanna create a variable for EACH AND EVERY config item?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, it wouldn't me sense for all of them :)
23:18 <wrtlprnft> so you don't have all config items...
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> some depend on other variables, like the custom cam depends on the player, doesn't it?
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, the lowest hanging fruit :)
23:19 <luke-jr_> so it's not worth arguing about where it goes in the structure
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> !?!
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> is luke saying something is not worth arguing?
23:19 * wrtlprnft thinks it's not worth listening to luke-jr_
23:19 * Lucifer_arma feels the ground....doesn't feel cold
23:20 <wrtlprnft> he thinks his tCode will replace mathexpr anyways... in two years or so
23:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you test with software emulation?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> vapor cannot replace solid
23:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: shouldn't take more than a month
23:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's why I said "will"
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you think vapor can replace solid, look at the sound engine, heh
23:20 <luke-jr_> and it's not vapor, it's liquid
23:21 <luke-jr_> it has form, just doesn't work yet
23:21 <luke-jr_> like your sound engine ;p
23:21 <wrtlprnft> the only thing is that i haven't seen a commit from luke-jr_ to the main arma branch in months
23:21 <wrtlprnft> infact, i haven't ever seen one
23:21 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: tCode isn't in the main branch
23:21 <wrtlprnft> so it's nothing that is supposed to work
23:22 <luke-jr_> it doesn't work yet
23:22 <luke-jr_> that's why you've got mathexpr for now
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> you know what
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> I don't care. :) If luke wants to reinvent the wheel, fine, let him, but his tCode will need to perform at least as well as mathexpr and give us all the creamy goodness mathexpr gives us
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's a helluva lot better than him kibitzing us every time we want to make the resource system he built actually work well
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> so let him keep his nose buried in tCode, and let him do the actual replacement when/if the time comes
23:23 <wrtlprnft> see, i just hate the fact that luke-jr_ always proposes great complicated ideas
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> and does nothing? I do that too. :)
23:23 <wrtlprnft> but nothing comes out of them because they're too complicated
23:24 <wrtlprnft> and it hinders any real development "because it will be obsolete soon"
23:24 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nonsense
23:24 <luke-jr_> tCode compilation is functional less than 24h after I started on it
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's what bothers me. When someone says something, and luke's only response is "nonsense"
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> so his response is nonsense, I guess I can live with that
23:24 <luke-jr_> because it's a BS statement
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> you have to say *why*
23:25 <wrtlprnft> what about the resource system?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you're going to call bullshit on someone, you need to justify yourself
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> especially when that someone already gave very reasoned and easily accepted stuff to begin with
23:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: and usually I do, next line
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> nonsense
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you usually just say "nonsense", some bullshit about the truth, and then call everyone stupid for not believing you
23:26 <luke-jr_> it's not the truth
23:26 * wrtlprnft is away: doing some real programming on the history functions instead of talking about it
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5855 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tCode.cpp tCode.h tCodeParser.h tCodeParser.ypp): committing a bit more of nothing
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that is, you inserted some newlines?
23:30 * wrtlprnft goes away again
23:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sure, nevermind the 3 new files
23:34 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
23:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Bugfarm Fortress (9 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (8 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (7 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (testing) (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.7.1 (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (3 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (1 more message)
23:35 <Vanhayes> #more
23:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (3 players) || Lobster Claws (Team Server) (2 players) || StyBall in 0.2.8.2 (1 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (1 players) || M0rph1umDuckz D3d1cat3d HUN (Linux, CET 17:00-06:00) (0 players) || Stonehenge hide and seek zones! (0 players)
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23:36 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5856 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tCode.cpp tCode.h): Constructors & destructor
23:40 <wrtlprnft> well, tell me if you have a working demo luke-jr_
23:43 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: the compiling does
23:43 <luke-jr_> tCodeParser.ypp has a compile command line at the top
23:44 <wrtlprnft> so, then i have some bytecode that you say is the parsed expression
23:44 <wrtlprnft> i can get that out of /dev/urandom too
23:45 <luke-jr_> not quite
23:45 <wrtlprnft> out out of /usr/bin/md5sum
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23:46 <madmax|pt> hello
23:46 <wrtlprnft> hi madmax|pt
23:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nah
23:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: how would i know the difference?
23:48 * wrtlprnft is trying to be as hard a discussion partner as luke-jr_ is
23:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: one can be read and understood
23:51 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5857 /armagetronad/branches/tCode/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tCode.cpp tCode.h tCodeParser.ypp): tCode standalone test compiles and executes (but is noop still)
23:52 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:52 <wrtlprnft> why do you put a standalone test into armagetronad?
23:53 * wrtlprnft notes to all: there's an utf8 branch that wants to be worked on!
23:54 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's an #ifdef on a main
23:55 * wrtlprnft is too tired right now
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23:55 <wrtlprnft> i just wanna finish that history thing
23:57 <wrtlprnft> or i won't even finsh that because there's a stone in my way :(
23:58 <wrtlprnft> i can't catch the return key as it's catched in a level higher than my code
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00:01 <wrtlprnft> oh, another example of you slowing down development: Resource selection UI. You want some craty SOAP or whatever thing that noone but you would understand and you don't like my solution because it doesn't scale to thousands of resources
00:01 <wrtlprnft> *crazy
00:02 <luke-jr_> STL is allowed in the project, right?
00:03 <luke-jr_> it seems pretty standard...
00:03 <wrtlprnft> sure it is
00:04 <wrtlprnft> we're at least using std::string, std::deque, std::map, std::set, std::auto_ptr and some generic algorythms
00:05 <wrtlprnft> at least that's what i have come across until now
00:05 <wrtlprnft> *algorithms
00:05 <wrtlprnft> a sign i should go to bed
00:06 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:06 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:07 <luke-jr_> eh, STL is std::?
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> am I the only one not getting email notifications from the forums?
00:08 <nemostultae> yes
00:08 <nemostultae> Lucifer_arma: no idea about that
00:09 <nemostultae> hey, wrtlprnft didn't commit his makefile fix. :(
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, are you getting email notifications?
00:10 <nemostultae> only over private messages. I'm not watching any threads.
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5858 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/mathexpr/ (Makefile.am example.cpp):
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: - Fixed include path for mathexpr
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: - Converted the mathexpr example file to float as well and added it to the distfiles
00:12 <wrtlprnft> you're lucky i still read that ;)
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> figured it out, I'm getting them, haha
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> I just had my filter set to mark them as read
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00:21 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so did you test w/ software emu?
00:21 <luke-jr_> s/emu/GL
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> alright, yay, I'm downloading the WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!!!
00:25 <luke-jr_> ...
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> PH34R ME, for your home will soon be on my hard drive! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah!!!!!!!!!!!
00:51 * spidey notes Lucifer_arma is crazy and should be commited to the nearest mental home
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! That's a state hospital!!!!!!!!!!
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00:56 * Lucifer_arma needs to plugin another monitor so he can run the Atlas program while he's flying the plane
00:58 <spidey> haha
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is a laptop, after all
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> and it supports two heads....
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> if not, well, maybe my car doesn't need a computer after all
01:07 <spidey> why does your car need a computer?
01:09 <madmax|pt> car+computer > car ?
01:26 <spidey> car+maadmax > omfg run for your lives!
01:29 <madmax|pt> lol
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01:40 <spidey> me = bitchy in about 3-4 hours :-s
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> why? you quit smoking?
01:50 <spidey> no,i ran outta cigarettes, and can't get anymore till the morning >.<
01:50 <spidey> which means i'm going to bed in about 30 minutes
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> my cd player quit working, so I want to put a computer in there to do the stuff my cd player would normally do
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> aw man
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> last night, my namepicker picked BlAzE
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> so wrtlprnft went in as LuciEatsPeople
01:50 <spidey> lololol
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> and we agreed that you needed to come in as wrtlprnft
01:51 <spidey> i was asleep :/
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> then I was sucking so bad, I wanted a new name, and the damn script picked spidey
01:51 <spidey> hahaha
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you update namepicker from svn, I added some instant chats
01:52 * spidey is on windows
01:52 <spidey> i still haven't gotten unlazy enough to make a 30gig partition
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02:11 <spidey> #night
02:11 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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03:05 <Lucifer_arma> wow, x-plane looks very nice, but is not open source :(
03:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: do that test yet?
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03:10 <nemostultae> x-plane is nice.
03:11 <Lizz> hiya guys :)
03:12 <Lizz> i got a puter question
03:12 <Lizz> can one of u guys help?
03:15 <Lizz> im trying to run an iso thrur daemon tools.. and i get an error message saying C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\AUTOEXEC.NT. the system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS and microsoft windows applications.
03:15 <Lizz> choose "close" to terminate the application
03:16 <Lizz> as im trying to install the iso it just closes itself out and gives me that message
03:17 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I don't know anything about it :(
03:21 <Lizz> ok.. do u kno who mite loocee?
03:21 <Lizz> the error message name is 16bit subsystem :/
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> You might have to take lessons
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> But you don't have to learn to fight
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> You've gotta learn the Fortress Walk
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> And you've gotta do it right
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: I don't know who would know, sorry
03:25 <Lizz> ok.. thx anyway.. guess i cant run it :(
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> hey, what's the name of that dance that came out around '96/'97
03:28 <Lizz> what type of dance?
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> the one with the silly song, Magdalena or something
03:28 <Lizz> macharina?
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> pop dance
03:28 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that's it, thanks :)
03:28 <Lizz> yvw :)
03:28 <Lizz> dunno how ya spell it tho
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> now what rhymes with that?
03:29 <Lizz> umm
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> arena....
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
03:30 <Lizz> mmm
03:30 <Lizz> submarina?
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's the most important line of the stanza :(
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> We're not doing the tango
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> We're not doing macharina
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> It's not a ballroom, or a tap dance
03:32 <Lizz> hmmm
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> my family just took off to see a play, and I don't know how long it is, so I'd like to start recording the lyrics pretty soon
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I have to finish writing them first
03:32 <Lizz> well. any word ending in "er" works
03:33 * Lucifer_arma notes that he has an American accent
03:33 * Lizz notes she dosent
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> I can break the rhyming pattern if I need to for a really good line here
03:34 * Lucifer_arma checks to see if it's the last line he needs
03:34 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I can cop out and play leads for the end of the song, but it looks like I'd planned 3 verses
03:35 <Lizz> o.O
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> It's the dance of <something that rhymes with macharina>
03:35 <Lizz> aah ok
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> a good spanish word....
03:35 <Lucifer_arma> any spaniards here?
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> WHERE'S XEVI WHEN YOU NEED HIM?
03:36 <Lizz> no ones here :/
03:36 <Lizz> wheres luke when ya need him
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> constantina heh
03:36 <Lucifer_arma> you never need luke, trust me on this one
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> victoria
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have to accent the i at the end, though
03:38 <Lucifer_arma> that works, I'll go with it
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's enough rehearsing :)
03:55 <Lizz> yay fixed file problem.. the autoexec.nt wasnt located in the right place :/
03:55 <Lizz> bbl looceee.. have fun with ya song ;-)
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04:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/mix.ogg
04:59 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ...
05:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: let me know when you've done that test, I've paused tCode until then to determine whether to implement the interpretor or turn ASTs into tValues
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> it sounds like shit
05:10 * Lucifer_arma wants to erase it--and the memory
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06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I've got all of Europe, so now all you europeans are on my hard drive! hahahahahahahaha
06:10 * Lucifer_arma gets a magnet
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06:38 <groundpig> Hi all
06:46 <luke-jr_> hi
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> hi
06:49 <groundpig> hi
06:57 <groundpig> anybody know off hand how to #ifdef in the respawn?
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07:04 <groundpig> ok found it - anyone know if it causes any stability issues?
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6651&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig: I don't know
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07:17 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: I guess we'll see soon
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07:18 <Lucifer_arma> Am I weird or does anybody else read DarkStar as DorkStar ?
07:21 <GodTodd> both?
07:21 <GodTodd> ;)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> you ready for school yet?
07:22 <GodTodd> just have to get my books...but have til the 28th of aug for that
07:22 * Lucifer_arma is procrastinating studying by getting caught up with email
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> so what classes did you wind up registering for?
07:23 <GodTodd> History of the Republic of Texas, C++, and Trig
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, that sounds fun
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> 1/3 fun, anyway
07:23 * Lucifer_arma loved his Trig class
07:23 <GodTodd> yeah....buttloads
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got nothing for you for the history class, I took US HIstories.
07:24 <GodTodd> they didn't require TX history?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> This channel is usually pretty well packed with C++ programmers, and most of us are math geeks too, so there's plenty of help here
07:24 <GodTodd> from what i read it's state law
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, the legislative requirement is 6 hours of US history, and it's permissible that 3 of them can be texas history
07:25 <GodTodd> that's what i'm hoping for...other than the fact that i'm married to a programmer/math geek too ;)
07:25 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh
07:25 <GodTodd> the degree plan that they gave me said 3 MUST be TX hist
07:25 * Lucifer_arma had no such luck and is mostly on his own when he needs help
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're jerks?
07:25 <GodTodd> could be
07:25 <GodTodd> they have been so far
07:26 <GodTodd> heh
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I read the actual text of the law somewhere on UT's site :)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> not that it matters much, you're either bored with texas history or bored with us history
07:26 <GodTodd> i'll have to look it up sometime and raise a stink...just cuz
07:26 <GodTodd> yep
07:26 * Lucifer_arma has found this channel to be invaluable for help
07:27 <GodTodd> yeah...i've seen that in my lurking :)
07:27 * Lucifer_arma thinks he got his A in calculus because of help available here
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07:27 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, they just changed something. It's a deja vu
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the us history requirement wouldn't be so damned annoying if it weren't for the 12 years of US history you get in public schools
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> let me study someone else's history instead! goddammit
07:29 <GodTodd> lol...i know
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh, hey, check this out
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> better get a puke bag
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07:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/mix.ogg
07:31 <GodTodd> yeah...i dl'd it....haven't listened to it yet
07:47 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:48 <GodTodd> that's not the final product, is it? :)
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, not even close, haha
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's not even at rough draft stage
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> some of the lyrics are fucked up and can't be sung in sync, and the only instrument I'm certain is good is the bass
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> even then, the recording of the bass isn't terribly good. It's livable if the other instruments were to start gelling, but that's it.
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> and the other instruments aren't gelling
07:50 <GodTodd> yeah...i like the bass line
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I jammed with a guitar line that followed the bass much more closely and that didn't sound terribly good either
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm new to writing songs from the bass. :( I've always written songs from the guitar, where I'd do guitar riffs, then lyrics, then layout
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> this is....different
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> and working with a computer forces some process on me that doesn't quite work. I have to lay out the song when I haven't actually worked out a layout in order to get a drum line I can jam with
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should step back with the lyrics and a guitar and ignore all the rest for a bit
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> alternately, I could remove the lyrics and work on it as an instrumental. I have a recorded track that sounds pretty good where it's an instrumental
07:53 <GodTodd> that'd probably make it easier
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> the title track I'm going to take what little bass I've got and write lyrics to go on it, then sit back with guitar and write the rest of the song
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> and come back with bass after I've laid out the whole song and recorded the rhythm guitars
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> then I need an instrumental rendition to include for ingame music :)
07:56 <GodTodd> cool :)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> or I may forego the instrumental rendition and just include all of a 5-6 minute song
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, the instrumentals can loop more without getting boring
07:57 <GodTodd> definitely
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> see, if the songs have singing, then you can play it once and move on. For that I'd need somewheres around 80 minutes of music to avoid the repetition
07:57 <GodTodd> right
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> with 80 minutes of singing music, repetition would get annoying after about 2-2.5 hours of play
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's not acceptable, actually, silly as it sounds, because that's when the repetition gets annoying
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> but I've worked out that for just 30 minutes of instrumental music, I should be able to get 4-5 hours of play before repetition gets annoying
07:58 <GodTodd> does the ingame music really need lyrics, though?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> and if I write the sound engine the way I really want it, I can turn that 30 minutes into megabytes instead and aim for 10 hours of play
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't. Occasional lyrics are good, but lyrical songs like what you get on an album are bad.
07:59 <GodTodd> right
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> the sound engine has some basic support for chaining smaller tracks together into a larger song, and I'll be expanding that support
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> and making it actually work for everyone, which it doesn't now :)
08:00 <GodTodd> that song i just listened to...is that going ingame or just like an opening track sort of thing?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> ingame
08:00 <GodTodd> k
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's the Fortress Walk :)
08:00 <GodTodd> that i knew...honest :)
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> the title track is a bass line I played on my streaming server a little while ago, I think you heard it but I don't remember
08:01 <GodTodd> heh...i can't even get arma to load a custom playlist for me
08:01 <GodTodd> could be
08:01 <GodTodd> yeah...i remember now
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, some windows users had problems with that
08:01 <GodTodd> i even converted the mp3s to ogg and made a new playlist
08:01 <GodTodd> heh
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> m3u format?
08:01 <GodTodd> yep
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> absolute paths to the files?
08:02 <GodTodd> m3u playlist of ogg files
08:02 <GodTodd> yep
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> then you went into sound settings and put in the absolute path to your custom playlist and said "custom" instead of "internal"?
08:02 <GodTodd> it would load the name of the song correctly but no sound
08:02 <GodTodd> sure did
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, no sound but the name appeared
08:03 <GodTodd> yep
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible that the underlying smpeg library failed on it, that happens on some of my mp3s
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> also
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08:03 <Lucifer_arma> you have to bind the media player controls, and when you enter the game, hit "next" to start it playing
08:03 <GodTodd> hmmm...and how would that be fixed?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> therwise no music
08:03 <GodTodd> i did that
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be fixed by using libmad instead, because libmad is an excellent library
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> smpeg is also the reason sdl_mixer is broke on Mac OS X
08:04 <GodTodd> it would skip ahead just fine and change the name of the song but no sound at all
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> no sound at all? not even the announcer?
08:04 <GodTodd> right
08:04 <groundpig> can a couple of you come in to StyBall to check respawn on goalie?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> you did check your mixer application to make sure you didn't have something muted?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig: I can't right now, I've got a huge emerge running
08:05 <GodTodd> yeah...nothing is/was muted
08:05 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: np
08:05 <GodTodd> i'm a hardware tech...i follow the 'check the plug' philosophy so that's what i did first ;)
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> and you made sure you didn't have anything else locking the sound card? and other applications can play sound?
08:05 <GodTodd> yep
08:06 <GodTodd> even made sure the oggs were good...winamp played them fine
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, don't know what to tell you, other than wait for 0.3.1 :)
08:06 <GodTodd> heh
08:06 <groundpig> z-man: what would be the best place for you to have a talk about zone wall detection/interactions, forum or IRC?
08:06 <GodTodd> 'tis ok...gives me something to fuck with ;)
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> um, oh yeah. You might need it for your C++ class. YOu might look at setting up a windows development environment (instructions on the wiki) so you can run the trunk
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> I could really use a windows user testing this stuff when I get back on it, so that 0.3.1 doesn't disappoint for sound the way 0.3.0 did
08:07 <z-man> groundpig: forum. I probably need time to think before I answer :)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> the development environment we use uses free software, so it not only doesn't cost anything to set up, it's all open source too :)
08:07 <GodTodd> z-man: why not pull answers outta your ass....works for luke-jr_
08:07 <GodTodd> ;)
08:07 * Lucifer_arma chuckles audibly
08:08 <GodTodd> cool i'll have to do that :)
08:08 <groundpig> z-man: sounds good, i'll post how i'm doing it now and how I don't like it. hoping you'll have a better suggestion for me
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> I have a suggestion for you, baconboy
08:08 <groundpig> shoot, beelzebub
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> do it all from the trunk and get with philippe, he's having to solve the same problems, and it breaks my heart to see you guys working separately on essentially the same stuff.
08:09 <groundpig> i see what philippe is working on solving a different problem
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> zone wall detection/interactions <--- this is a subset of what philippe's working on
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> he's trying to build low-level primitive structures for us to use to construct really cool maps
08:10 <groundpig> exactly - whereas i've mostly been concerned with dynamically generated zones
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, he's working specifically on that right now
08:11 <GodTodd> wouldn't help anything for the playlist to put it in with my arma install files, would it?
08:11 <groundpig> ah, did not know that
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> now, he is in a lower level than you're at, that is true
08:11 <groundpig> i'll try and post a braindump soon
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> but there's so much overlap between you guys, I wish you guys would get together on it
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: shouldn't make a difference
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> if you're not getting the announcer, you've got a problem that's bigger than the playlist
08:12 <GodTodd> testing arma again to get specifics...i've been lax on my playing ;)
08:12 <wrtlprnft> can't luke-jr_ read my /away message? I was sleeping
08:12 <wrtlprnft> #last --with night --from wrtlprnft
08:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [17:06:57] <wrtlprnft> #night
08:12 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:12 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: "Our reruns are better than theirs." || -- Nick at Nite
08:14 <GodTodd> ok...was wrong...it changes to the playlist song on the display but i still get the default music....no announcer tho
08:16 <GodTodd> all i get is the same music that comes on with the splash
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird
08:20 <GodTodd> yeah
08:20 <GodTodd> any chance it's a borked dl?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's either that or I'm a have to chalk it up to user error until proven otherwise :)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> and I admit it's not well documented
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I don't think it's documented at all how to use it
08:22 <GodTodd> it's not
08:22 <GodTodd> i looked
08:22 <GodTodd> heh
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> the music that comes on with the splash shouldn't ever play again
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> same with the music that plays after that, but before you join a game
08:23 <GodTodd> kinda figured that
08:23 <GodTodd> hell i haven't even heard anything else
08:23 <GodTodd> heh
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> after you join a game, if you use the internal playlist, you should hear the fortress walk play
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> but you have to start the song by hitting next
08:23 <GodTodd> i'ma try a new dl first and foremost
08:24 <GodTodd> and that's just the any key right?
08:24 <GodTodd> 'n'?
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> ok. also you should dig up your settings.cfg and delete that
08:24 <GodTodd> k
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> er, settings_03.cfg or something liek that
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, wait, it's user_030.cfg
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> in Documents and Settings/someplace/I/Don't/Know
08:25 <GodTodd> hmmm
08:26 <GodTodd> searching now
08:27 <GodTodd> what would deleting the 'settings.cfg' do?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> not that one
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> it has to be user_030.cfg
08:27 <GodTodd> nothing since i'ma reinstall?
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah i know...still searching for that one
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, if it's settings.cfg.
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> user_030.cfg (or user_03.cfg) stores your own settings, and deleting that will reset you to a brand new installation
08:28 <wrtlprnft> uh, the user file is called user_3_0.cfg
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> that is, after you reinstall, if the old one was borked
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, where is it?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> var dir
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> besides ~/.armagetronad/var
08:28 <wrtlprnft> nowhere
08:28 <wrtlprnft> it is in there :S
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> windows?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> just use the search?
08:29 <wrtlprnft> search for a file named user_3_0.cfg
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> c:\Documents and Settings\user\armagetronad\var ?
08:29 * wrtlprnft thinks we should make an "about this installation" menu
08:29 <wrtlprnft> it would display all the paths
08:29 <wrtlprnft> similar to opera:about
08:29 <GodTodd> what about the plain 'user.cfg'?
08:29 * Lucifer_arma thinks we should use plib
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's for an older version
08:29 <wrtlprnft> plib fonts suck
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> they don't suck that badly
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> can we keep the ftgl stuff?
08:30 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: development snapshots make their own file so they don't bork up your install
08:30 <wrtlprnft> the stable one
08:31 <GodTodd> and it's C:\DocsandSettings\<username>\AppData\Arma\var :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, some people like to keep the stable one around in case the development version doesn't work
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> some of us just play off the trunk
08:31 <wrtlprnft> :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> and whenever I see a server (only happened once) that says "no modified clients allowed", I ask if that includes me :)
08:32 <GodTodd> hell...i don't care if it's stable...i wanna complain about bugs heh
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're going to complain about bugs anyway, I'd rather you ran off the trunk :)
08:32 <wrtlprnft> grr, there's a new wave of very annoying spam mails right now
08:32 <GodTodd> sorry...i'll stop that wrtl ;)
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6651&highlight= :)
08:32 <wrtlprnft> someone should make nightly builds for windows
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, were you around when /dev/null got jailed for sleeping with his 14-year old cousin?
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> or however old she was?
08:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i don't mean that
08:33 <wrtlprnft> VALIjlUM from 1 , 25
08:33 <wrtlprnft> VljlAGRA from 3 , 35
08:33 <wrtlprnft> AMBljIEN
08:33 <wrtlprnft> CIALIjlS from 3 , 75
08:33 <wrtlprnft> my filter won't get those
08:34 * Lucifer_arma wonders why spam filters don't just use a spell checker
08:34 <groundpig> wrtlprnft: can you get me some CIALIjlS?
08:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well
08:34 <wrtlprnft> if spidey sends me a mail it wouldn't get a better rating
08:34 <wrtlprnft> groundpig: shall I PM you the link? ;)
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> not only would it get most spam, but it would also prevent me from having to read spidey's email :)
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <wrtlprnft> what if someone sends me a big chunck of code?
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> just think, those 12-year old AOLers would be locked out of email! THe internet will be free at last!!!
08:35 <wrtlprnft> that wouldn't rate well in a spell checker
08:35 <GodTodd> running off the trunk...is that a stupid question that would be answered in the wiki?
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> they can't send it as an attachment?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> kinda
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: it's not actually a stupid question, haha
08:35 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, you beat me
08:36 <wrtlprnft> with pleasure i beat Lucifer_arma
08:37 * Lucifer_arma beats wrtlprnft
08:37 * Lucifer_arma beats wrtlprnft
08:37 * Lucifer_arma beats wrtlprnft
08:37 <GodTodd> well...yeah...i'm there already (beat both y'all)...just haven't read it yet....so running off the trunk is natural after setting up the WDS?
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's why you'd set up a WDS
08:37 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: that's for compiling, for getting the latest trunk code: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN
08:37 <GodTodd> ok
08:37 <GodTodd> cool :)
08:40 * Lucifer_arma thinks we are amazingly well-documented for an open source game
08:40 <GodTodd> except for sound ;)
08:40 <GodTodd> heh
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> true, we don't quite match up to FlightGear's manual
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> not true
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/New_Sound_Engine
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> it's just not end-user documentation yet
08:42 <GodTodd> blah...semantics heh
08:42 <GodTodd> so...do i still want to go with the 0.3 branch for the src.zip?
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to build from the trunk, you want to check it out with TortoiseSVN
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't want to build from the trunk, what are you doing exactly anyway? ;)
08:46 <GodTodd> following these directions ---> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Windows_Development_System
08:46 <GodTodd> You need a copy of armagetronad-<VERSION>.src.zip and armagetronad-winlibs-<VERSION>.zip.
08:46 <GodTodd> first line of it
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> aha
08:47 <wrtlprnft> that you get from svn
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, first, do you want to build from svn or not?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. do you want to build from the trunk?
08:47 <GodTodd> yeah
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> because if you do, ignore that line and get TortoiseSVN and check it out from the trunk
08:47 * Lucifer_arma goes to modify the wiki page
08:47 <GodTodd> ahhh okie
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5859 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (NEWS src/ui/uMenu.cpp src/ui/uMenu.h):
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: Added an incremental reverse search for the console and chat history: In chat or
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: console mode press CTRL-R and start entering your search term. It will show you
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: the last found match in a new line, press right or left to jump to it in the
08:48 <armabot> armagetronad: history.
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> then there's probably a readme with more information after you do the checkout
08:49 <z-man> anyone noticed the Ladle-ITW time collision?
08:49 <GodTodd> k...dl'ing tortoise now
08:50 <wrtlprnft> someone try out that history reverse search feature and see if it works for them :)
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't, that's interesting
08:51 <wrtlprnft> wow, Lucifer_arma actually put a useful log message for a wiki edit? hurray!
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, z-man: I didn't, that's interesting
08:51 <wrtlprnft> > The Sources - Added blurb about getting sources when building thet runk
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I made sure to put a typo in it
08:51 <wrtlprnft> i know
08:51 <wrtlprnft> not that bad
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> nxet tmei I'll mkae seur to wescr ti pu coetelpy
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> *m
08:52 <wrtlprnft> you spelled "I'll" correctly?!
08:52 <z-man> what part does the *m correct?
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I've got a huge emerge going, so can't test anything
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> the last part
08:53 * guru3 is manually trying to add more spam protection
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> awww, that last one was fun :)
08:53 <wrtlprnft> guru3: just change the name of some parameters for the forum?
08:53 * guru3 is going to screw with the fields
08:53 <wrtlprnft> guru3: you sure you have a backup?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> invert the names of the password and username fields in the login form
08:53 <guru3> yes
08:54 <wrtlprnft> or do will we reach 1000 users for the 3rd time?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> that way they're diametrically opposed to what's in the registration form
08:54 <wrtlprnft> -do
08:55 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work for scripts that choose their username as password
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that still won't work if the spambots check the types of the fields
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> just add something to the registration that disallows username==password
08:56 <guru3> i'm changing the link to registration some
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: after you get a checkout of the trunk, in armagetronad/win32 there's a README.txt that has some information for building
08:59 <GodTodd> k
09:00 <wrtlprnft> from the mathexp page: "As a counterpart, the code is not very clean..." <-- that's an understatement
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no shit
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen worse, though
09:00 <guru3> i hope no one wants to edit their profile for a wee bit
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> you should go through shttpd sometime. It's not terrible, but, hmmmmmmmmmmm
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> so, I don't see how a byte-compiled tCode is going to do us any good, after looking through mathexpr
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> looks to me like mathexpr builds a little object tree for the expression
09:02 <wrtlprnft> aww, i wanted to edit my profile :(
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> which means the code that executes the expression has been compiled to native machine code and optimized
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> so as long as mathexpr is well-optimized and/or we make it so, it should outperform any byte-compiled interpreter
09:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but it's still slower than hardcoding the expression
09:03 <GodTodd> do i need the asp.net hack?
09:03 <wrtlprnft> and luke-jr_ wants to magically change that
09:03 <wrtlprnft> nonono, no asp.net! go away!
09:03 <GodTodd> ok
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's the asp.net hack?
09:03 <GodTodd> :)
09:03 <GodTodd> it's an option on install of tortoise
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok. no, probably not. :)
09:03 <z-man> ah, forget it. Ladle starts at 9, ITW at 8.
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> isn't it fundamentally impossible to have a dynamically defined expression perform like a hardcoded expression?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't that violate some law of thermodynamics or other?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> we can get pretty damn close with function pointers and stuff....
09:05 <wrtlprnft> if the ITW match ends up being 1v9 or so which isn't too improbable it won't end up overlapping the ladle ;)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, 1 v 15
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> *14 (they have to have someone there to make sure the match is fair, after all)
09:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
09:06 <GodTodd> bah...fucking windows
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> give me a nickel
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want a nickel everytime someone curses windows
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be rich sometime next week :)
09:06 <GodTodd> why not...bill gates gets one
09:06 <GodTodd> :)
09:07 <wrtlprnft> #google fight "fucking windows" "fucking linux"
09:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: fucking windows: 10600000, fucking linux: 5350000
09:07 <wrtlprnft> almost twice :)
09:07 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: you can always compile the dynamically defined expression to machine code.
09:07 <wrtlprnft> as much funcking windows
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "Windows sucks" "linux sucks"
09:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Windows sucks: 18400000, linux sucks: 13000000
09:07 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so we're gonna depend on gcc for executing arma?
09:08 <z-man> #google fight "Windows rules" "Linux rules"
09:08 <GodTodd> guess i'll brb...blah
09:08 <armabot> z-man: Windows rules: 169000000, Linux rules: 92200000
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: that's a straw man, it's still won't be as tight as a hardcoded expression
09:08 <z-man> wrtlprnft: sure :)
09:08 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: how so?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "windows sucks" "linux rules"
09:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: linux rules: 92200000, windows sucks: 18400000
09:09 <Your_mom_arma> im not sure who the winner is there
09:09 <wrtlprnft> well, you can always take your expression, generate some c function, compile it into a library and dynamically link to it
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: because you're assembling a general case
09:09 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> If you're going to compile to native machine code, then I'll concede the possibility of somewhere out there there being a compiler that can match the hardcoded expression
09:09 <wrtlprnft> nemo and joda will have their fun making that work on their platforms
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, not to mention the bsd junkies around here
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> we might have to listen for ticking packages in the mail if we do that
09:10 <wrtlprnft> n54 isn't around
09:10 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: of course, it is fundamentally impossible to make a dynamic expression *faster* than a static one.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, we want to hit the top of the 85% curve and blow off the other 15%. Is that so bad?
09:10 * z-man actually doesn't feel all that much like arguing over that :)
09:11 <wrtlprnft> hmm
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> you know, where the other 15% of performance takes something like 10 times the effort needed to reach the first 85%
09:11 <wrtlprnft> can't we just send the expression to google's API every time it's evaluated?
09:11 <wrtlprnft> and then get the result of #google calc
09:11 * Lucifer_arma laughs out loud
09:11 <wrtlprnft> that would make for great expressions
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> hell, just email it to someone in Beirut and ask them to compute it with an abacus
09:12 <guru3> someone want to try editing their profile?
09:12 <wrtlprnft> <Zone radius="USD 100 in CAD" />
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> that would be a shrinking zone
09:12 <wrtlprnft> because cad are getting more valuable?
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> yes :)
09:13 <guru3> hahaha
09:13 <guru3> don't try editing your profile
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> cad have almost caught up with usd, last time I checked
09:13 <guru3> it's broken
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> #g USD 1 in CAD
09:13 * wrtlprnft tries
09:13 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 USD in CAD
09:13 <armabot> 1 U.S. dollar = 1.1343 Canadian dollars
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> a user agreement?
09:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna register, stupid
09:13 <guru3> yeah um
09:13 <guru3> i'll fix that later
09:13 <guru3> g2g eat now
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> "I broke it, now I gotta go eat, cya!"
09:13 <Your_mom_arma> what happens if i dont agree?
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 USD in EU
09:15 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 USD in euros
09:15 <armabot> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.785792865 Euros
09:15 * Lucifer_arma sighs
09:15 * Lucifer_arma kicks himself again
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> in 2000, I told my wife we should take every spare penny we had and buy euros, the exchange rate was more like 1:3 or something
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 50*3/0.785792865
09:16 <armabot> (50 * 3) / 0.785792865 = 190.89
09:22 <guru3> i fixed what i broke
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09:32 <GodTodd> and once again i say....fucking windows
09:32 <GodTodd> :)
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> cool, now you need to give me a dime since you didn't give me the first nickel
09:47 <GodTodd> k...think i just did the checkout
09:47 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
09:47 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
09:47 <philippeqc> hi
09:48 <philippeqc> everything's good
09:49 <philippeqc> z-man: I want the effects to be able to send a console message. I've copied the way ePlayer.AddScore does it, but a) it seems to send it twice, b) it sends it with the chars "\n"
09:50 <wrtlprnft> !!!
09:50 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft
09:50 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: the trunk client won't parse old maps
09:50 <wrtlprnft> you can't play on BF fortress with it
09:50 <wrtlprnft> or sumo
09:50 <wrtlprnft> or my race server
09:50 <wrtlprnft> or CTWF
09:50 <philippeqc> yes
09:50 <philippeqc> that is what we said yesterday
09:50 <wrtlprnft> that needs to be fixed
09:50 <wrtlprnft> no
09:50 <philippeqc> that I'll need to add support for old zones
09:51 <wrtlprnft> we talked about the server not being able to handle old maps
09:51 <wrtlprnft> the client should ignore zones on the map
09:51 <philippeqc> old maps with old zones?
09:51 <philippeqc> yes, I need to add that to the new server
09:52 <wrtlprnft> nonono
09:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5860 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zZone.cpp zZone.h): Refixed what was lost during the merge of philippeqc's zone model: Zones that are removed from the game don't appear on the HUD minimap anymore.
09:52 <wrtlprnft> or yes
09:52 <philippeqc> ?
09:52 <wrtlprnft> but first you should be able to connect to servers using old maps
09:52 <wrtlprnft> the client exits when trying to parse a new map
09:52 <wrtlprnft> *an old map
09:52 <philippeqc> old servers?
09:52 <wrtlprnft> yes
09:52 <wrtlprnft> new client, old server
09:53 <wrtlprnft> new client exits, probably an unhandled expeption, no segfault
09:53 <philippeqc> oooo
09:53 <philippeqc> let me check on that
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i need to talk more if i wanna keep twice as many lines as spidey
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i need to talk more if i wanna keep twice as many lines as spidey
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i need to talk more if i wanna keep twice as many lines as spidey
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i need to talk more if i wanna keep twice as many lines as spidey
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i need to talk more if i wanna keep twice as many lines as spidey
09:54 <wrtlprnft> Poor Lucifer_arma, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 30 times.
09:54 <wrtlprnft> For example, like this: * Luke-Jr smacks Lucifer_arma
09:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 30 times.
09:54 <philippeqc> ok, got the bug
09:54 <wrtlprnft> ya, we got it!!!!!
09:55 * wrtlprnft slaps spidey
09:55 <wrtlprnft> one last time, now he is on top of the stat
09:56 <philippeqc> I guess I found it
09:56 <philippeqc> ;)
09:59 <wrtlprnft> uh, fix it? ;)
09:59 <philippeqc> patience grasshoper
10:01 <z-man> philippeqc: dunno, the AddScore() call looks right. Perhaps the function is called twice, or Joda or me broke AddScore.
10:02 <philippeqc> ok, I'll investigate the double calling scenario.
10:02 * wrtlprnft is notoriously impatient
10:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: just joined on ct's wild fortress ;)
10:03 <wrtlprnft> with or without fix?
10:03 <philippeqc> with fix
10:04 <wrtlprnft> i didn't actually try ctwf, just the bf servers
10:04 <philippeqc> I'm trying to commit it
10:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
10:05 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5861 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix: Can now connect to servers with old maps. Added basic support for message on effect
10:05 <wrtlprnft> :)
10:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you have the strangest habit of pointing to urgent bugs just as I'm in the middle of some other changes ;)
10:06 <wrtlprnft> :P
10:06 <wrtlprnft> well, it was urgent, i couldn't play
10:06 <philippeqc> o, and only at a point where the other changes prevent any compilation ;)
10:06 * philippeqc activate spidey mode
10:06 <philippeqc> spidey mode activated
10:06 * philippeqc slaps wrtlprnft into low orbit
10:06 <wrtlprnft> i always have a working copy for small changes and one for every big change
10:06 * philippeqc deactivate spidey mode
10:07 <philippeqc> t'was small changes ;)
10:08 <philippeqc> I saw a problem that will affect the server in trunk. Unnamed zones will cause great problems and become all merged in one
10:08 <wrtlprnft> ok, can play on sumo now
10:09 <philippeqc> yep
10:09 <wrtlprnft> just don't allow unnamed zones or give them ongoing names?
10:09 <wrtlprnft> like __unnamedZone<ongoingnumber>
10:09 <philippeqc> naaa, I think that case (unnamed zones) is already taken care of.
10:10 <philippeqc> string a = ""; a.size() gives me what? 0 I hope
10:10 <wrtlprnft> should
10:10 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78721#78721
10:10 <philippeqc> ok, then its taken care of
10:11 <wrtlprnft> or use a.empty()
10:11 <wrtlprnft> clearer to read
10:11 <philippeqc> hummm yes
10:11 <wrtlprnft> better to say if(a.empty()) than if(!a.size())
10:12 <philippeqc> if(a.size()!=0)
10:12 <philippeqc> ;)
10:12 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5862 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gParser.cpp: Slightly improved readability of the parser
10:15 <wrtlprnft> more commits! more commits! let's beat gentoo!
10:15 <wrtlprnft> z-man: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN#Merging <-- that correct procedure?
10:17 <wrtlprnft> ack, warning in mathexpr
10:17 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr.cpp:517: warning: 'i2' might be used uninitialized in this function
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10:19 <wrtlprnft> but the warning is right
10:20 <wrtlprnft> and i have no idea what that function even does or what i2 might be initialized to
10:22 <wrtlprnft> no, infact the warning is true
10:23 <wrtlprnft> what do i do now? "Fix" it and initialize i2 to some nonsense value knowing that it will make the code a bit slower or ignore the warning? Lucifer_arma? z-man? philippeqc?
10:24 <wrtlprnft> is there any way to force the compiler so it doesn't output a certain warning for a certain file?
10:26 <philippeqc> init it to 0, it is often a sensible choice
10:26 <wrtlprnft> that'll make it a bit slower
10:27 <wrtlprnft> after all, the compiler is wrong about it and it's perfectly safe to keep it uninitialized.
10:27 <philippeqc> bit slower? 1 operation!
10:27 <wrtlprnft> o well
10:27 <wrtlprnft> i guess I'll do it
10:28 <wrtlprnft> stupid gcc
10:28 <wrtlprnft> BUG!
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> ask luke
10:30 <wrtlprnft> he'll tell me that gcc sucks anyways and that we should write our own compiler
10:31 <philippeqc> chances are that it start uninitialised, and in some branch gets initialised. but the compiler say that maybe there is a path where no branch that initialise it are traversed
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's not truly Free, somehow, because gcc doesn't ship openwrt with it
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's a warning, and it means "if you're sure it's ok, you don't have to do anything about it, but if you get weird bugs, consider this"
10:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5863 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/mathexpr/mathexpr.cpp: Fixed wrong compiler warning, sacrificing performance a bit.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> hey, say that every change you make somehow sacrifices mathexpr performance
10:32 <philippeqc> init it, its 1 cpu cycle.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it can't possibly be uninitialized
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> that'll guarantee luke will only ever work on tCode, so he wont' bother us with anything important
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's not even 1 cpu cycle if you init it near the top
10:33 <wrtlprnft> there's two vars that are important here
10:33 <wrtlprnft> there's i2, uninitialized
10:33 <wrtlprnft> then there's ind=0
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> when you do something like:
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> int something=0;
10:33 <wrtlprnft> one branch checks if(ind&&!IsNumeric(s[i]))
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> the compiler throws on some extra optimization so that the assignment operation doesn't take any extra time
10:34 <wrtlprnft> then it uses i2 and sets ind to 0
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> or at least, that's what all the old teach yourself c books used to say
10:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it isn't an assignment operation technically
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is if you do:
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> int something;
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> ...
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> something = 0;
10:34 <wrtlprnft> and there's another branch that checks if(!ind&&IsNumeric(s[i]))
10:34 <wrtlprnft> that one INITIALIZES i2 and sets ind to 1
10:35 <wrtlprnft> so the first one can only run after the second one executed
10:35 <wrtlprnft> (nothing else changes ind)
10:35 <philippeqc> weird, I dont have mathexpr in my trunk?
10:35 <wrtlprnft> and both branches are in the same for loop
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> svn update ?
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> are you still using your branch or working in the trunk?
10:36 <philippeqc> hehe
10:36 <philippeqc> why the idea that wrtlprnft mighthave added it AFTER yesterday never crossed my mind
10:36 <philippeqc> ;)
10:36 <philippeqc> trunk
10:36 * Lucifer_arma activates spidey mode
10:37 * spidey stabs Lucifer_arma
10:37 -!- philippeqc is now known as lucifer
10:37 * Lucifer_arma borks philippeqc into some weird place
10:37 * Lucifer_arma deactivates spidey mode
10:37 -!- lucifer is now known as philippeqc
10:37 <philippeqc> hehe dodged it
10:37 * Lucifer_arma activates spidey mode
10:37 * Lucifer_arma borks philippeqc into some weird place
10:37 * Lucifer_arma activates spidey mode
10:37 -!- You're now known as McSpiddles
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:37 <philippeqc> duh
10:37 * McSpiddles slaps spidey
10:37 * McSpiddles slaps spidey
10:37 * McSpiddles slaps spidey
10:37 * McSpiddles slaps spidey
10:37 * Lucifer_arma deactivates spidey mode
10:37 * Lucifer_arma deactivates spidey mode
10:37 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:37 * Lucifer_arma is the ULTIMATE SPAMMER!
10:37 <wrtlprnft> phew, just in time before he could ghostkick me
10:37 <wrtlprnft> spidey: pwnt
10:38 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what method?
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
10:38 <spidey> bitch ;x
10:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/104852
10:39 <philippeqc> lol, another coder that thinks removing spaces actually optimize the code
10:39 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as BlAzE
10:39 <BlAzE> I AM THE ULTIMATE LOSER
10:39 -!- BlAzE is now known as Lucifer_arma
10:39 <spidey> >.<
10:39 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
10:40 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma
10:40 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: why actually use a value that has chance of causing prob! set it to 0, that has WAY more chance of never causing probs
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> is that in mathexpr?
10:40 <philippeqc> yes
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> HOW CAN PEOPLE CODE WITHOUT SPACES?
10:41 <philippeqc> for(i=0;s[i];i++){
10:41 <philippeqc> if(ind&&!IsNumeric(s[i])){ind=0;InsStr(s,i2,'(');i++;InsStr(s,i,')');continue;};
10:41 <philippeqc> t1=IsVar(s,i,nvar,ppvar);t2=IsFunction(s,i,nfunc,ppfunc);
10:41 <philippeqc> if(t1||t2){i+=max(t1,t2)-1;continue;};
10:41 <philippeqc> if(s[i]=='('){i=SearchCorOpenbracket(s,i);if(i==-1)return;continue;};
10:41 <philippeqc> if(!ind&&IsNumeric(s[i])){i2=i;ind=1;};
10:41 <philippeqc> };
10:41 <philippeqc> if(ind)InsStr(s,i2,'(');i++;InsStr(s,i,')');
10:41 <wrtlprnft> that
10:41 <wrtlprnft> 's what i pasted
10:41 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/104852
10:41 <philippeqc> yes
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> he must have wrote it perfectly the first time so he never had to read it again after that
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> amazing
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> what talent!
10:41 <philippeqc> or lack of
10:42 <wrtlprnft> so, how can i2 be used uninitialized?
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I have to do things like:
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> sin( cos(something) )
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> so my syntax highlighter will match the ) properly
10:42 <philippeqc> maybe InsStr use it to return junk only
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't do that, I can't read the line for shit
10:42 <wrtlprnft> lack of spaces saves space and makes it compile fater
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *faster
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> fatter, heh
10:42 <philippeqc> naaa
10:43 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: InsStr will NEVER be called with an uninitialized i2
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> most of the work compiling is done after the parsing, that's why distcc works so well
10:43 <philippeqc> it must depend on the 5'th line setting i2 first, before InsStr is called
10:43 <philippeqc> < int i,i2,ind=0,t1,t2;
10:43 <wrtlprnft> it's line 9 in my pastebin post
10:43 <philippeqc> > int i,i2=0,ind=0,t1,t2;
10:43 <wrtlprnft> line 5 sets it
10:43 <wrtlprnft> err
10:43 <wrtlprnft> line 9 sets it
10:43 <philippeqc> thank you, come again
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> leave it unitialized, and the guy who compiles with -Werror will bitch
10:44 <philippeqc> 5'th of the for
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> and that guy's complaints I take seriously :)
10:44 <wrtlprnft> and only after line 9 is executed line 5 has any chance of being used
10:45 <wrtlprnft> because only line 9 sets ind to 1
10:45 <wrtlprnft> and initializes i2
10:45 <wrtlprnft> and only if ind is 1 line 5 will be executed
10:45 <wrtlprnft> so the compiler is wrong.
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, the compiler has no way to know
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> what does it hurt to set it to 0? It's just a place where certain values of i get stored temporarily, and i gets initialized to 0 when it's first used
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> so initialize to -1 and move on
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> or 0, but then you might be storing a not real value for i
10:47 <wrtlprnft> initializing will cost an extra cycle, no matter what
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> who gives a shit?
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> what's 1 cycle when my cpu executes millions of them every second?
10:47 <wrtlprnft> uninitialized ints are just a matter of setting EFP to a lower value
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's more important that the thing build with -Werror
10:47 <wrtlprnft> initialized ints need to set EFP to a lower value and call mov
10:48 * wrtlprnft notes he already fixed it...
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> then why are you still bitching about it? heh
10:48 <wrtlprnft> because the fix sucks
10:48 * Lucifer_arma goes to put all of the lug nuts on his tires
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> waaaa, but the extra mass will weigh down my car and slow it down!
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's more work for the engine!
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> I might lose an entire mile per gallon over the course of 6 years of driving!
10:49 * Lucifer_arma is done
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10:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_ won't like the lower performance
10:50 <wrtlprnft> he'll like mathexpr even less than he did until now
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> fine, that just means he'll keep working on tCode and leaving us alone
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> his whole deal about it is the clearest case of NotInventedByLuke that has ever happened around here
10:51 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: i suggest you check out your signature :)
10:51 <wrtlprnft> right
10:51 <wrtlprnft> ir actually got him to do something
10:51 <wrtlprnft> "Meow."
10:52 <wrtlprnft> *it
10:52 * Lucifer_arma eats cats, too
10:52 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsCats
10:52 <guru3> ><
10:52 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey again
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey another time
10:52 <LuciEatsCats> I YELL TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey all the time
10:52 -!- LuciEatsCats is now known as Lucifer_arma
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because it's so much fun
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because he should be top on that stat
10:52 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey for fun
10:53 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey with a passion
10:53 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey hard
10:53 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey until he runs to his mom, whining
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> that won't take long
10:53 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
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10:54 <Lucifer_arma> hiya MaZuffeR
10:54 <MaZuffeR> hi
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> did the heat wave hit you?
10:56 <MaZuffeR> well, it's been quite warm for the last four weeks...
10:56 <MaZuffeR> don't know if that's the heat wave you're refering to though
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> the one that's killing people all over the place
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> France, Germany, Canada, California, etc.
10:57 <MaZuffeR> it's not that hot in Finland, it never gets that hot here
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> places that aren't normally hot enough for the heat to be a threat
11:26 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: don't you know ASP?
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> active server pages?
11:26 <guru3> 1
11:26 <guru3> i mean yeah
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's been a long time....
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> why do you ask?
11:26 <guru3> just curious
11:27 <guru3> am writing up a report on an app that uses asp is all
11:27 <guru3> (the report i had two weeks to write ><)
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah. Yeah, it's been quite a long time, heh
11:27 <guru3> got to the bit on writing plugins
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> not since before asp.NET got released, in fact
11:27 <guru3> and i'm just mentioning the language
11:28 <guru3> and i'm thinking "well, if they need someone to write a plugin..."
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, not me, sorry :)
11:28 <guru3> so it seems ><
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's not the fact that it's been so long that stops me from being interested, though
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'll work with any language for money, even if I don't know it, generally
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's the fact that my client would be married to a microsoft server platform, and I don't think I can give the best service I can give under those conditions
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd prefer not to do it
11:29 <guru3> that's ok
11:29 <guru3> if i know my mom
11:30 <guru3> nothing will happen for the next 2 years
11:35 <guru3> and that's that finished
11:35 <guru3> i hope
11:35 <guru3> probably short changed it a bit
11:35 <guru3> "oh well"
11:38 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: shall we change the "god kills a kitten" instantchat to "Luci eats a kitten"?
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> you do whatever you want :)
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/5224386.stm <--- does it run under Linux?
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it's a flash game, but it's all in french
11:58 <guru3> lol
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, my french isn't quite up to the task
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> I got to a part where I ws supposed to match up falling bricks with places they were supposed to land, but I didn't understand the captions on the places they were supposed to land
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> but I understood what was on the bricks!
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, I only got two wrong
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> I guess depenses means costs and recettes means revenue
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know jack about what France's national government has to spend money on
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, that was certainly educational
12:15 <philippeqc> suggest lucifer use a french-english dictionary
12:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: bug on fortress :S
12:29 <wrtlprnft> lemme upload a few screenshots
12:29 <wrtlprnft> and i still need a more efficient screenshot script :S
12:31 <wrtlprnft> or no, my fault, sorry
12:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5864 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Fixed my fix: Zones are now really removed from the game again, and not just from the HUD map
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: actually, I managed to make it without a dictionary, but I did have some trouble in the math quiz
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12:40 <Lucifer_arma> and I stopped after that
12:40 * Lucifer_arma is going to bed now, g'night!
12:40 <joda_bot> hi all
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi joda_bot
12:40 <joda_bot> gn8
12:40 <joda_bot> ;)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, bye joda_bot
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:40 * joda_bot is still working on thesis
12:40 <joda_bot> :|
12:40 <joda_bot> got two extra weeks, but not finished ... :-(
12:40 <joda_bot> is 2020 around ?
12:41 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma
12:41 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: he was for a short while
12:42 <wrtlprnft> then was disappointed because i didn't reply within 5 minutes and left again
12:42 <wrtlprnft> read it in my chatlog, i was outside at the time
12:42 <wrtlprnft> #seen e2020
12:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: e2020 was last seen in #armagetron 3 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <e2020> thanks again and see you on the grid...
12:42 <wrtlprnft> good luck with your thesis
12:42 <joda_bot> thx
12:43 <joda_bot> Psyko is away and made me team captain for ladle ... have to get someone else to take over
12:43 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:44 <joda_bot> take the time of work... might be good after writing all day
12:44 <joda_bot> *or* take ...
12:44 <wrtlprnft> poor joda
12:44 <joda_bot> #notes
12:44 <armabot> joda_bot: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, Luke-Jr, Nickserv, operserv, phil, someone, and unknown.
12:44 <joda_bot> #notes phil
12:44 <armabot> joda_bot: Sent 8 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> uh, the fact that you can't put std::auto_ptrs into containers is exactly why i made tAutoDeque ;)
12:44 <wrtlprnft> we can't get rid of that
12:45 <joda_bot> phil doesn't check those often does he ?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to send it to phil* because i didn't know how to spel philippeqc
12:45 -!- You're now known as phil
12:45 <phil> ah
12:45 <phil> finally
12:45 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
12:45 <joda_bot> :-)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> phil was taken when i last tried
12:46 <joda_bot> #msg phil* sorry, still busy with my thesis / got two weeks more... hope to finsih early
12:46 <joda_bot> #ping
12:46 <armabot> pong
12:46 <wrtlprnft> it's #message
12:46 <joda_bot> m?
12:46 <joda_bot> ah thx
12:46 <wrtlprnft> and he's there, you can just wake jim :P
12:46 <wrtlprnft> *him
12:46 <wrtlprnft> assuming he reads his wakes
12:47 <joda_bot> philippeqc: sorry, still busy with my thesis / got two weeks more... hope to finsih early
12:47 <joda_bot> lol... did only check for 2020 :|
12:47 <joda_bot> #m phil* sorry, still busy with my thesis / got two weeks more... hope to finsih early
12:47 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
12:47 <joda_bot> he ;)
12:47 <joda_bot> safe
12:47 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:47 <joda_bot> bbl
12:47 <wrtlprnft> cya
12:48 <joda_bot> Teamcaptains will meet here , right ?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> guess so
12:48 <joda_bot> ah, and why isn't CT listed on ladle's Teamlist ?
12:48 <joda_bot> will there be two CT teams ?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> dunno
12:48 <joda_bot> heard something strange about CTT CT ?
12:48 <joda_bot> whatever
12:48 <joda_bot> have fun
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13:43 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft what bug on fortress?
13:43 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: sorry to hear about your math test
13:45 <philippeqc> lol, I always miss joda
13:45 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with math
13:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [05:40:57] <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: actually, I managed to make it without a dictionary, but I did have some trouble in the math quiz
13:45 <wrtlprnft> ah
13:45 <philippeqc> #message joda_bot Itsw ok, concentrate on your thesis. The game can wait
13:45 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: solved, it was my fault
13:45 <armabot> philippeqc: The operation succeeded.
13:46 <wrtlprnft> #last --in #commits --with wrtlprnft
13:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You must be in #commits.
13:46 <philippeqc> ok
13:46 <wrtlprnft> grr
13:46 <wrtlprnft> #last --in #commits --with wrtlprnft
13:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [05:34:38] <CIA-6> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5864 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Fixed my fix: Zones are now really removed from the game again, and not just from the HUD map
13:46 <philippeqc> #last --in #commits --with wrtlprnft
13:46 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: You must be in #commits.
13:47 <wrtlprnft> you need to join that channel first
13:48 <philippeqc> #last --in #commits --with wrtlprnft
13:48 <armabot> philippeqc: [05:34:38] <CIA-6> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5864 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Fixed my fix: Zones are now really removed from the game again, and not just from the HUD map
13:48 <philippeqc> so we have the commits channel just for aa?
13:48 <wrtlprnft> no
13:48 <wrtlprnft> that's all messages cia receives
13:48 <philippeqc> ha, Just saw one for another project
13:48 <philippeqc> ok
13:48 <philippeqc> #last --with philippeqc
13:48 <armabot> philippeqc: [06:46:58] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: solved, it was my fault
13:49 <philippeqc> neat
13:51 <wrtlprnft> that's where armabot gets her commit messages from too
13:51 <philippeqc> her?
13:51 <philippeqc> ;)
13:52 <wrtlprnft> yes, her
13:52 <philippeqc> I guess robots are feminin in german
13:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma insists it's a she
13:52 <wrtlprnft> no, they aren't
13:52 <wrtlprnft> "der Roboter"
13:52 <philippeqc> o if lucifer said it then
13:52 <philippeqc> and plural would be?
13:52 <wrtlprnft> "die Roboter"
13:53 <philippeqc> ok
13:53 <wrtlprnft> "die" can mean she or any gender in plural
13:53 <philippeqc> der
13:53 <philippeqc> "der Roboter" must be "the robot", but for "a robot" what would it be
13:54 <wrtlprnft> "ein Roboter"
13:54 <philippeqc> do you have words that change their termination based on "the" vs "a"
13:55 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
13:55 <wrtlprnft> no
13:55 <philippeqc> robot is quite a recent addition to all languages, imported from russia (I think).
13:55 <philippeqc> swedish does that
13:56 <philippeqc> the apple in "an apple" and "the apple" has a different ending. Though german could be like that too
13:56 <wrtlprnft> "ein Apfel" vs "der Apfel"?
13:56 <wrtlprnft> ah, you mean the the has a different ending?
13:57 <philippeqc> (an apple) ett �pple (the apple) �pplet
13:57 <wrtlprnft> an applet lol
13:58 <philippeqc> lol
13:58 <wrtlprnft> no, not in german
13:58 <philippeqc> indefini vs defini
13:59 <philippeqc> ok was just curious as in "die roboter" the termination "er" is one very common terminaison in swedish.
13:59 <philippeqc> thanks
13:59 <wrtlprnft> er is plural
14:00 <philippeqc> yes
14:00 <philippeqc> i THINK there are some case in swedish where it just definit.
14:00 <philippeqc> it being "er"
14:03 <wrtlprnft> so, do you actually come from quebec and moved or where does the qc come from?
14:03 <philippeqc> yes, from quebec
14:04 <philippeqc> when i left to travel in europe, I open a hotmail account, knowing that I could probably not reach the telnet server that I used for my mail at the time. That was in 1999. I picked that nick as it was simple and I could give it around.
14:05 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:05 <wrtlprnft> hotmail :S
14:05 <philippeqc> I kept using it afterward to fill in those "please leave an email / take a login to access our web-site"
14:06 <philippeqc> till I realised that if I came somewhere and the nick was already used, it meant I came there before, and I just needed to figure out what password I used.
14:06 <philippeqc> then I realised Its globally unique
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14:06 <wrtlprnft> hehe
14:06 <philippeqc> I'm the only one on the whole Internet
14:06 <wrtlprnft> same with me
14:06 <philippeqc> yes
14:18 <wrtlprnft> #google fight philippeqc wrtlprnft
14:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft: 9190, philippeqc: 2890
14:18 <wrtlprnft> :P
14:18 <philippeqc> #google fight google wrtlprnft
14:18 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
14:19 <philippeqc> #google fight philippe wrtlprnft
14:19 <armabot> philippeqc: philippe: 106000000, wrtlprnft: 9190
14:19 <philippeqc> #google fight roccoxyn wrtlprnft
14:19 <armabot> philippeqc: wrtlprnft: 9190, roccoxyn: 9
14:19 <wrtlprnft> no fair
14:19 <philippeqc> #google fight roccoxyne wrtlprnft
14:19 <armabot> philippeqc: wrtlprnft: 9190, roccoxyne: 0
14:20 <philippeqc> #google fight Roccoxyne wrtlprnft
14:20 <armabot> philippeqc: wrtlprnft: 9190, Roccoxyne: 0
14:20 <philippeqc> I have been more clean than you
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15:07 <deja_vu_> wrtlprnft: good work there^^
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15:24 <wrtlprnft> :)
15:24 <wrtlprnft> wow
15:24 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu wakes me for a change instead of vice versa
15:25 <deja_vu> :P
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16:34 <wrtlprnft> impatient people
16:34 <wrtlprnft> how can he expect someone to answer within 1 minute?
17:03 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like mathexpr doesn't support functions without arguments by itself, but it does support functions with multiple arguments
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18:23 <groundpig> wrtlprnft
18:23 <groundpig> oops
18:23 <wrtlprnft> am here.
18:23 <wrtlprnft> the merge was r5849
18:23 <wrtlprnft> so you can update to r5848
18:24 <wrtlprnft> that will contain z-man's fix (r5845/r5846)
18:24 <wrtlprnft> but not ph's zone model
18:25 <groundpig> ok, i'll give that a try sometime this week
18:25 <groundpig> thanks!
18:25 <wrtlprnft> yw
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18:37 <spidey> wb mkzelda :p
18:37 <mkzelda> ty
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18:38 <spidey> mkzelda, you ready for the ladle ? :p
18:39 <mkzelda> i dont know
18:39 <mkzelda> when is it?
18:39 <spidey> 9pm GMT (US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CES
18:39 <spidey> 4pm central
18:40 <mkzelda> today?
18:41 <spidey> ya
18:41 <mkzelda> well that sucks, i dont have to work but we have this bullshit staff appreciation day that im required to go to, seeing as how im manager and all
18:41 <mkzelda> i have to go eat hamburgers and play in the stupid sun
18:41 <spidey> :<
18:42 <spidey> tell 'em to bite you ;x
18:42 <mkzelda> "i have a very important tron tournament, i wont be able to make it"
18:42 <spidey> hahaha
18:42 <spidey> i told my mom that for the last ladle
18:42 <spidey> ;x
18:42 <spidey> only
18:42 <spidey> i said i have a tron tourny and can't come visit
18:43 <spidey> O.o
18:43 <spidey> so
18:43 <spidey> that leaves us with
18:43 <spidey> 7
18:43 <spidey> which 3-4 i don't know >.<
18:44 <mkzelda> i'll see what i can do
18:44 <mkzelda> hah
18:45 <mkzelda> as long as the supplies are there for the cookout i think i could skip out
18:45 <spidey> lolol
18:45 <mkzelda> i mean, *I* think i could skip out
18:45 <mkzelda> dont know how they'll feel
18:45 <spidey> stay,no need to get introuble for tron :p
18:45 <mkzelda> i dont want to go :D
18:45 <spidey> haha
18:45 <mkzelda> i just had no reason this time why i shouldnt
18:45 <mkzelda> until now
18:46 <mkzelda> so i rsvp'd yes
18:50 <spidey> weird
18:50 <spidey> why do i get 80+fps on linux
18:50 <spidey> but steady 59 on windows
18:50 <spidey> >.<
19:02 <mkzelda> vsync
19:09 <spidey> er
19:10 <spidey> why does everyone say i changed the rubber settings on my fortress server!?
19:26 <mkzelda> it seems faster
19:26 <wrtlprnft> well
19:27 <wrtlprnft> you US guys get less lag there
19:27 <wrtlprnft> therefore rubber will be less effective
19:27 <mkzelda> haha thats prolly it
19:27 <wrtlprnft> why is there no 0.2.8.1 branch?!
19:28 <wrtlprnft> i wanna see why the itw server doesn't let 0.2.8.1 clients in
19:28 <wrtlprnft> if there's any reason
19:31 <wrtlprnft> compiler calls for 0.2.8 are like 2 lines shorter than for the trunk
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19:39 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_dist_wall_shrink
19:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK: Distance multiplier in wall length calculation. All values are legal. See settings.cfg for full docs. || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSETDistance: offset in wall length calculation. See settings.cfg for full docs.
19:40 <wrtlprnft> grrrr
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19:41 <wrtlprnft> these idiots on ITW changed cycle_dist_wall_shrink so clients before 0.2.8.2 can't connect
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20:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5865 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tValue.cpp ui/uMenu.cpp): Removed unnecessary debug messages in the reverse history search code and rebeautified.
20:14 <Vanhayes> spidey could you tell 2020 or gari or anyone from AW that I cant makes it?
20:14 * Vanhayes is painting his house
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20:24 <spidey> lolk
20:27 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: what color? Pink?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> hot pink?
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20:32 <joda_bot> hi z-man
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20:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man: weird, my hacked client doesn't complain about CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK, it complains about CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK
20:53 <wrtlprnft> uh, never mind
20:56 * wrtlprnft is too stupid to read the whole post
21:09 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: test it yet?
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21:25 <mkzelda> >:/ ktorrent stalls at 99.90%, 1 chunk missing from everything
21:26 <mkzelda> signed up for a username on forum, been waiting a few hours for email confirmation
21:29 <wrtlprnft> checked your spam filters?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> if not ask guru 3
21:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what do i have to do to test it?
21:33 <wrtlprnft> my armagetronad development dir is 944MB big >.<
21:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you're already setup for testing such and simply would need to disable your GL accel
21:35 <luke-jr_> as far as why it needs testing, because your earlier test didn't even strain the CPU because the GPU couldn't keep up anyhow
21:35 <luke-jr_> also because you tested with an O(1) expression
21:36 <wrtlprnft> O(1) expression?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> let me just do something else
21:36 <luke-jr_> as opposed to an O(n) expression such as a summation
21:37 <wrtlprnft> MOST EXPRESSIONS WILL NOT USE SUMMATION
21:37 <luke-jr_> no, but expressions can and probably WILL be O(n)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> summation is a nice extra but not directly needed by us
21:37 <luke-jr_> A summation is just a simple example of a O(n) expression
21:39 <luke-jr_> nobody will ever be evaluating the same expression 1000 times per frame, either, but it's just a test
21:39 <luke-jr_> and tests really shouldn't aim for common-case, but extreme-case to see the worst case effects
21:40 <luke-jr_> a really extreme case test might be summations or summations
21:40 <luke-jr_> of*
21:41 <wrtlprnft> a good benchmark does common cases
21:41 <wrtlprnft> wow, a summation with 20,000 elements will slow down arma if done 100 times per frame
21:49 <spidey> manta,
21:49 <luke-jr_> how much?
21:49 <spidey> er
21:49 <spidey> mkzelda,
21:49 <spidey> ;x
21:49 <luke-jr_> and I wouldn't do *that* extreme a test
21:49 <luke-jr_> unless you can think of a case with a O(n=20000) expression ;)
21:50 <luke-jr_> if tValue can't currently support summations, you could always use some other O(n) expression, BTW
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21:53 <wrtlprnft> how do i get the current nanoseconds as c function?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:54 <wrtlprnft> got it
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21:57 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ...
21:59 <spidey> luke-jr_, ....
22:03 <luke-jr_> spidey: w?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: ok, my formula is "sin(x)+y^2"
22:06 <wrtlprnft> and I'm getting about 1.73609e+06 calculations per second while doing nothing else
22:07 <wrtlprnft> and that's running on DEBUGLEVEL=3
22:09 <wrtlprnft> if i hardcode the same formula (using the pow() function) i get 7.33133e+06 calculations per second
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #g ( 1 - 1.73609e+06 / 7.33133e+06 ) * 100%
22:09 <armabot> (1 - (1.73609e+06 / 7.33133e+06)) * (100%) = 0.763195764
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #g ( 1.73609e+06 / 7.33133e+06 ) * 100%
22:09 <armabot> (1.73609e+06 / 7.33133e+06) * (100%) = 0.236804236
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22:10 <wrtlprnft> that's 23.7% of normal speed
22:10 <wrtlprnft> short visit, bashusr
22:10 * wrtlprnft doesn't think that's too bad
22:11 <wrtlprnft> oh, and that includes th tValue wrapper which is another function call
22:11 <z-man> Oh, great, ITW server just got shut down and hasn't come up for some minutes.
22:12 <z-man> ah, there it is
22:12 <wrtlprnft> 12 minutes after the match started?
22:12 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: "sin(x)+y^2" is O(1)-- but better than nothing I guess
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22:13 <wrtlprnft> it's the comparison compiled <=> mathexpr
22:13 <wrtlprnft> and i think your thing won't be anywhere close than gcc compiled code either
22:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and that's just raw calculation-- what is the FPS using software GL with a hard coded expression vs with tValue?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> *get anywhere close to gcc compiled code
22:14 <luke-jr_> I think it would be at least 50%
22:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: the framerate isn't a good measure
22:14 <luke-jr_> The framerate is a good measure of what is relevant
22:15 <wrtlprnft> no
22:15 <luke-jr_> provided the CPU is doing rendering (software GL)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> it changes all the time anyways
22:15 <luke-jr_> use a recording
22:15 <luke-jr_> then it shouldn't
22:15 <wrtlprnft> won't help
22:15 <wrtlprnft> let's see
22:16 <luke-jr_> anyway, anything significant would be noticable
22:16 <luke-jr_> even with fluxuations
22:16 <wrtlprnft> at a framerate of 25FPS with 100 calculations per frame you get 2500 calculations
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 2500/1.70129e+06
22:16 <armabot> 2,500 / 1.70129e+06 = 0.00146947316
22:16 <luke-jr_> you get RenderCalcs+2500
22:17 <wrtlprnft> so this will eat 0.00147 seconds per second
22:17 <wrtlprnft> that won't induce any significant change
22:18 <wrtlprnft> oh, i did my calculations with 10000000 expressions per batch and measured the time before and after
22:18 <luke-jr_> are you discarding the existing tValue then?
22:19 <wrtlprnft> of course not
22:19 <wrtlprnft> that would reparse the expression
22:19 <wrtlprnft> but it isn't cached
22:19 <wrtlprnft> it can't be cached as mathexpr can't know if x and y changed
22:22 <wrtlprnft> or if you want to have an exact value what your new framerate will be:
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 1/ 25
22:22 <armabot> 1 / 25 = 0.04
22:22 <wrtlprnft> .04 seconds per frame
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 100/1.70129e+06
22:23 <armabot> 100 / 1.70129e+06 = 5.87789266 × 10^(-5)
22:23 <wrtlprnft> so you get
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 5.87789266e-5+0.04
22:23 <armabot> 5.87789266e-5 + 0.04 = 0.0400587789
22:23 <wrtlprnft> 0.0400587789 seconds per frame with 100 calculations
22:23 <wrtlprnft> that'll make
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 / 0.0400587789
22:24 <armabot> 1 / 0.0400587789 = 24.9633171
22:24 <wrtlprnft> a new framerate of 24.94 fps
22:24 <wrtlprnft> i dunno if that's a notable change
22:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 - 24.94/25
22:25 <armabot> 1 - (24.94 / 25) = 0.0024
22:25 <wrtlprnft> you lose 0.24% of your framerate
22:25 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: luke-jr_
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22:44 <wrtlprnft> i think these numbers are surprising luke-jr_ a bit
22:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: would you be mad at me if mathexpr reduced your framerate by 0.24%?
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22:48 <Lucifer_arma> of course! Is that if I use a summation? Because I use summation every day!
22:48 <wrtlprnft> no
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that's if you let it calculate sin(x) + y^2 100 times per frame
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> tht was with how many different tValues each time?
22:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:48 <wrtlprnft> it's one tValue, but it doesn't cache
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> 100 times per frame? That's a pretty simple formula, though
22:49 <wrtlprnft> it's what you would use in the cockpit
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't cache values? Like, it doesn't cache the x and y that came in?
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, if it doesn't cache all the variables that come in, it can't cache the result, right?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:50 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't know if and when they'll change
22:50 <wrtlprnft> infact they don't change at all
22:50 <wrtlprnft> but it can't know
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it would have to take the in-coming variables and compare them to its cache, wouldn't it? But the whole point of using expressions is so we can have it change,
22:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i know that it doesn't :)
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> so doing the check for the cache would probably decrease performance, since the whole point is to have a new result every frame! :)
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's a number that looks very nice. :) Good work! ;)
22:53 <wrtlprnft> after all, it was originally designed for graphing functions, so there variables would change too
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it's not my work, thank The Guy (TM)
22:54 <wrtlprnft> whatever his name was
22:54 <wrtlprnft> Yann OLLIVIER
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you tell me the syntax for a summation operation? ;)
22:55 <wrtlprnft> an average one
23:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: there is no standard textual syntax, AFAIK
23:01 <luke-jr_> but these tests are using mathexpr-- where does tValue come into the picture?
23:01 <luke-jr_> in fact, how are you using mathexpr? to parse a set of tValues or what?
23:03 <wrtlprnft> no
23:03 <wrtlprnft> it's just another type of tValue
23:03 <wrtlprnft> so you can still combine it in other ways, for example conditions
23:04 <luke-jr_> in C, a summation would be: double v = 0; for (int i = 5; i <= 10; ++i) v += tan(x) * i + i; return v;
23:04 <wrtlprnft> i know
23:04 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: nah, Hot pink would stand out a little too much its going to be white with black trimming, I just got the Primer done today
23:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: um, so basically it's an optimized tValue::Add and such?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> but you can't feed THAT to mathexpr
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> how would you do a power series in C?
23:05 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: eh? start v = 1?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i was just joking because ph seems to like hot pink
23:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: but mathexpr doesn't actually provide anything new? it's just optimization?
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, no? Power series = polynomial of infinite degree
23:06 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: mathexpr can parse strings
23:06 <wrtlprnft> before we had some kind of XML math syntax
23:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok, so it's primary purpose is parsing strings for you?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so if there's no big deal with performance, how about I just modify tCode to parse strings into tValues?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and I don't need tValue's own calculation methods anymore
23:07 <wrtlprnft> how about we just keep mathexpr?
23:07 <luke-jr_> mathexpr won't parse everything
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with mathexpr?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah, indeed
23:07 <luke-jr_> will it parse your functions/callbacks?
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> why do you hate it so much, luke-jr_ ?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> some things will still have to be XML
23:08 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: why?
23:08 <wrtlprnft> because mathexpr doesn't support them
23:08 <luke-jr_> why not have a standard parsing for any kind of tValue?
23:08 <wrtlprnft> it can't do conditionals
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> what did mathexpr ever do to you?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> tValue is just an internal thing, isn't it?
23:08 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: what did tCode ever do to you?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we use it internally?
23:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it does support callback functions with one argument
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> simple. tCode > mathexpr is just a case of NotINventedByLuke
23:09 <wrtlprnft> that can easily be extended to any number of args > 1
23:09 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so people aren't allowed to use conditionals and callbacks/functions externally?
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> for what? Give me a use case
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> a *realistic* use case
23:09 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately mathexpr doesn't seem to support functions without arguments
23:09 <wrtlprnft> i dunno how hard that will be to add
23:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: any use of Player(Closest) or such
23:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, make such a thing with all those nice features and we'll use it
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> and we don't know anything about C++ and can't hack mathexpr to do that, of course
23:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that's tCodeParser
23:10 <wrtlprnft> in the meantime don't bitch about mathexpr
23:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: I'm afraid mathexpr doesn't seem to be that extensible
23:11 <wrtlprnft> but you can try, of course
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> the way I saw it, you give mathexpr a string and a function and it'll use your function for that string
23:11 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: note tCodeParser is the part that has some functionality
23:12 <wrtlprnft> i need a functionality that can parse, save the parsed result and then give me the result of the calculation when i need it
23:13 <wrtlprnft> and it needs to support pretty much all mathexpr does except summation
23:13 <wrtlprnft> for which I haven't yet found any use in arma
23:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: "save the parsed result" can be a chain of tValues, right?
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't any use :)
23:13 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yes
23:13 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: IIRC, ph posted a use a while back
23:13 <wrtlprnft> infact that's what i originally wanted to do
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> fine, add a summation operator to it
23:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that's what I've been planning to do these past few days if your tests showed no performance problems with it
23:14 <wrtlprnft> note that i tested mathexpr, not tValue
23:14 <wrtlprnft> especially not a chain of tValues
23:14 <luke-jr_> mind testing that?
23:15 <wrtlprnft> maybe tomorrow
23:15 <wrtlprnft> though it will have to be simpler as tValue chains aren't that far yet
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> you still haven't told me what's wrong with mathexpr, luke-jr_
23:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: go read the past 5 minutes, z-man's post I referred you to, etc
23:15 <wrtlprnft> basically only sum, difference, quotient, product and conditionals
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I see bitching, but I don't see why you actually hate it
23:16 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I imagine it would be simple to make a summation tValue subclass
23:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: because it doesn't fit our requirements
23:16 <wrtlprnft> it would
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> what are our requirements?
23:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: at *least* callbacks/functions with variable arguments
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> go write out our requirements
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23:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: mathexpr does that
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> the example I read for mathexpr showed that!
23:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: my first post in the tCode thread summarizes it, possibly minus the efficiency
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> do you need to see code to believe it?
23:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you said it supports functions with a single argument
23:17 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> your first post in the tCode thread says "wrtlprnft wants to do this, and I don't think he can, so I'll do it and duplicate the effort"
23:17 <wrtlprnft> and can easily be extended to more arguments if needed
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> a function only has one argument
23:17 <wrtlprnft> and there's a problem with fuctions with no arguments right now
23:17 <wrtlprnft> but i imagine that can be fixed
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> no functions have no arguments :)
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's called MATHexpr, not CODEexpr
23:18 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it'd be at least as simple to make tCode use tValue than to fix mathexpr
23:18 <wrtlprnft> what's P(5,2) then?
23:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: well, we don't need merely math I guess
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's a point?
23:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's a point that it doesn't suit our requirements
23:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: a permutation
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> THAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> that it parse FUNCTIONS
23:19 <luke-jr_> not just math functions
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> YES, just math functions
23:19 <wrtlprnft> for the cockpit we NEED callbacks
23:19 <luke-jr_> that's only the most basic requirement, too
23:19 <wrtlprnft> otherwise we can't use it really
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> we build around that
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> what do you mean can't use it then? What are you trying to do with it?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> if it doesn't support callback functions with no arguments
23:20 <wrtlprnft> it can't be used for the cockpit
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to do with it?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> we can't use variables for reasons i stated like three times
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO WITH IT?
23:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: tCodeParser is 230 lines to support basic math-- add another 100 at most to support math functions and match mathexpr functionality
23:21 <luke-jr_> Is mathexpr < 500 lines?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine, forget it
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> you guys can't actually tell me what you want
23:21 <wrtlprnft> or no
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> this whole argument is stupid if you can't tell me what you want
23:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: a zone that's size is determined by the distance of the closest and furthest player alive
23:21 <wrtlprnft> i want to be able to have the cockpit accept something like "log(time_to_impact_front())"
23:22 <luke-jr_> there's an example use case
23:22 <wrtlprnft> where time_to_impact_front has to be a callback
23:22 <wrtlprnft> if we require that extra pair of brackets or not, i don't care
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> time_to_impact_front is the independent variable
23:22 <luke-jr_> (parenthesis)
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> there's no difference between what you wrote and just "log(x)", which mathexpr does support
23:23 <wrtlprnft> yes there
23:23 <wrtlprnft> is
23:23 <wrtlprnft> time_to_impact_front is an expensive function
23:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: mathexpr requires all *potential* variables to be defined
23:23 <luke-jr_> IIRC
23:23 <luke-jr_> and evaluated, as wrtlprnft points out
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it can't parse anything it doesn't know
23:23 <wrtlprnft> we can't just add it as a variable and calculate it for every expression whether it is needed or not
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
23:24 <luke-jr_> ...
23:24 <wrtlprnft> time_to_impact_front sends a very long sensor, and this IS expensive
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> but your cycle is moving
23:24 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:24 <luke-jr_> all the cycles are moving
23:24 <luke-jr_> and new walls are being created
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> right, which means time_to_impact_front is a changing value
23:25 <wrtlprnft> but how do we know if the expression even uses that variable
23:25 <spidey> mkzelda,
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you dont' want to spend cycles on it, don't use it?
23:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why should time_to_impact_front be evaluated for sin(x)?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> did I say it should be evaluated for every function?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr doesn't tell us which variables it actually uses
23:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's all mathexpr allows
23:26 <wrtlprnft> or we make it a function that accepts a parmeter, but doesn't actually do anything with it
23:26 <wrtlprnft> "log(time_to_impact_front(1337))"
23:26 <luke-jr_> lol
23:26 <wrtlprnft> that would work
23:26 <luke-jr_> ugly hack, tho
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> double x;
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> // Creates a variable named "x" and which value will be x
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> RVar xvar ( "x" , &x );
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> so why can't you make time_to_impact_front() a variable?
23:27 * luke-jr_ facepalsm
23:27 <wrtlprnft> in the case of time_to_impact_front we could actually do something with it, limit the length of the sensor
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> all you need is a c-style function with a double return value
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> then it only gets evaluated for expressions that use it, right?
23:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how do we know that?
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> so you don't actually know that? You're telling me it will be evaluated all the time but you don't actually know?
23:28 <wrtlprnft> how do we know which variables are used
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> because it's in the expression!
23:28 <wrtlprnft> we don't parse the expression
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23:28 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr does
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23:28 <Lucifer_arma> [16:27] <Lucifer_arma> double x;
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> [16:27] <Lucifer_arma> // Creates a variable named "x" and which value will be x
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> [16:27] <Lucifer_arma> RVar xvar ( "x" , &x );
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23:29 <wrtlprnft> that's how you tell mathexpr that variable is available for use
23:29 <wrtlprnft> BUT YOU FUCKING DON'T KNOW IF THE EXPRESSION ACTUALLY USES IT
23:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: are you actually involved in tValue/mathexpr/tCode stuff or is it enough that wrtlprnft and I understand why?
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> so let me get this straight then
23:30 <wrtlprnft> now Lucifer_arma is annoying me more than luke-jr_
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's a first
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> wht you're telling me is that you can only tell mathexpr which variables you have after it has parsed the epxression, but it can't parse the expression without knowing which variables we have?
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> fuck this, this whole argument is stupid
23:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: does he need to understand, or should I just go code?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i am not
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> fuck off
23:31 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:31 <wrtlprnft> #night
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23:31 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:31 <wrtlprnft> he just won't understand what I'm saying
23:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: do you think tValue can perform fast enough without mathexpr?
23:32 <luke-jr_> if so, I'll just make tCodeParser output tValues...
23:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it might not be as fast, but still decent
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23:33 <luke-jr_> ok
23:33 <Nixda384> krikey
23:33 <wrtlprnft> the approach with having a parser that would output tValues was exactly what i wanted to do
23:33 -!- Nixda384 is now known as e2020
23:33 <wrtlprnft> hi Niii
23:33 <wrtlprnft> err
23:33 <luke-jr_> any idea if there's a good C++ way to call a constructor with variable arguments?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> hi e2020
23:33 <e2020> hi
23:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: how variable?
23:34 <e2020> thanks for this web interface and sorry to interrrupt...
23:34 <wrtlprnft> you can make the constructor a template if you know the number of args, but not the type
23:34 <luke-jr_> eg, if I have an array of X number of variables to pass, but don't know the X =p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> e2020: np
23:34 <wrtlprnft> just don't use C style arrays :P
23:34 <wrtlprnft> use a std::deque
23:34 <luke-jr_> ah
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23:34 <luke-jr_> and have tValue constructors take that?
23:34 <wrtlprnft> yes
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23:35 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: a constant reference, that is
23:35 <joda_bot> hi e2020
23:35 * luke-jr_ wonders if he should re-branch to get the current stuff using mathexpr for parsing
23:35 <wrtlprnft> isn't a lot
23:35 <wrtlprnft> after all, mathexpr doesn't create tValues
23:35 <luke-jr_> well, it has the zone stuff which actually has a string to parse...
23:35 <wrtlprnft> it's just a tValue that contains the mathexpr expression
23:36 <wrtlprnft> Legit: e2020: feel free to talk, you don't interrupt
23:36 <manta> 2020 are we still on for 1 hour from now?
23:36 <luke-jr_> actually, which rev did ph merge the zone v2?
23:36 * luke-jr_ ponders
23:36 <Legit> lol
23:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, i dug that out like 3 times now
23:36 <e2020> thanks... the semi finals yeah
23:36 * luke-jr_ will dig it out =p
23:36 <e2020> but the captains should be deciding who to play....
23:36 <luke-jr_> I have the RSS aggregated, even if I don't often read it
23:37 <manta> I can't find durka yet
23:37 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i merged his branch at r5849
23:37 <Legit> manta?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad <-- just look for the longest message :P
23:37 <e2020> from the wiki, it looks like aw v sp at zman's ladle
23:37 <Legit> durka might not be here....
23:37 <e2020> did the world cup go ahead?
23:38 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: in case you didn't notice, the other team captains are in :)
23:38 <manta> 2020 yes it's over, USA pwnd :(
23:38 <e2020> are the results up yet?
23:38 <manta> I feel like starting a war over it
23:38 <e2020> hehhe... been done...
23:39 <wrtlprnft> i like the ladle kind of chaos more than the ITW one... I should have signed up
23:40 <e2020> dang.... it is going to be hectic... the captains haven't made use of the system provided...
23:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: thx
23:40 <e2020> from the wiki, they shuold have played at 9pm gmt
23:40 <wrtlprnft> there's 3 captains here, right?
23:40 <joda_bot> I'm here ;)
23:40 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yw
23:41 <joda_bot> so we'll start to in about 50min ?
23:41 <e2020> what about garissimo,... team captain for aw
23:41 <e2020> yes... but who is playing who
23:41 <e2020> and where.... hehehe
23:41 <joda_bot> SP vs. AW sounds ok to me
23:41 <e2020> we did that last time...
23:41 <joda_bot> we only need another server right ?
23:41 <e2020> it would be nice to play a team we haven't played yet
23:42 <joda_bot> ok fine with me
23:42 <joda_bot> so we'd do WS ?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> is someone from WS here?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey
23:42 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
23:42 <Vanhayes> manta and spidey
23:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
23:43 <Vanhayes> e2020: I can play for AW now
23:43 <joda_bot> wb luc
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> re joda_bot
23:43 <Vanhayes> I thought priming my house would take longer
23:43 <e2020> brilliant.... you could be captain...
23:43 <joda_bot> what about CT ?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: unlucky for the team you're going to oppose :P
23:43 <Vanhayes> heh
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> did you guys figure out what you want yet?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> it's clear we can't use mathexpr exactly as it is yet
23:44 <wrtlprnft> so we'd either have to hack it
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's not an answer to my question
23:45 <wrtlprnft> but you don't like that as in your opinion functions should always take exactly one argument
23:45 <Vanhayes> joda_bot: CT isnt in this ladle
23:45 <wrtlprnft> or we make a parser that gets a string and outputs a tree of tValues
23:45 <e2020> just noticed... sorry... was looking at the captain list....
23:45 <wrtlprnft> we have had the possibility for the tree of tValues for quite some time
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> "A function f is a rule that assigns to each element x in as et A exactly one element, called f(x), in a set B"
23:46 <wrtlprnft> but only an XML style parser which sucked from the user point of view
23:46 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: atleast they're listed in the teams section
23:46 <e2020> how about lol versus aw at zman's and speeders v wraith at bugfarm?
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> Calculus: Concepts and Contexts 3r Edition
23:46 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/LADLE_team-lists not that one
23:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
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23:46 <Vanhayes> hey Lackadaisical
23:46 <wrtlprnft> but this isn't really calculus
23:46 <Lackadaisical> hey hayes
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> yes, this is calculus :)
23:47 <Lackadaisical> how is the ladle coming?
23:47 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I think I branched before the merge
23:47 <e2020> don't you developers want to stick us in some other room so as not to bother you?
23:47 <manta> you want to play for WS Lackadaisical
23:47 <wrtlprnft> the trouble is that we need some kind of variable that's calculated on demand
23:47 <Vanhayes> e2020: ya that would be fine with me, though I dont know about any other AW
23:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: you did, way before it infact
23:47 <wrtlprnft> i could have told you that...
23:47 <Lackadaisical> yeah maybe not sure
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> aha, and didn't I just post code from the example that shows you how to do that?
23:47 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: that's true for simple calculus but there are functions in R^3 or higher dimensions too... function is just a mapping from one value x to always the same vallue y
23:47 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: do you think it would be that hard to modify ph's code to parse prior to tValue? O.o
23:48 <e2020> well... if we decide this... we can alter the wiki... then go around and recruit for the next half hour.... hehehhe
23:48 <manta> we have lost some of our players do to the lalde being posponed
23:48 * luke-jr_ was planning to use that for testing
23:48 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: if you want something else name it relation (just from mathematic point of view)
23:48 <wrtlprnft> brb in 2 minutes
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> I want, and as far as I know we all agreed, a function parser
23:48 <Lackadaisical> we can make a channel and go there e2020
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> something where we can give it an independent variable and it gives us a value back
23:49 <joda_bot> e2020: tell me the name and I update the webinterface to support it
23:49 <Lackadaisical> how about #armagetronladle
23:50 <joda_bot> agreed ?
23:50 <Vanhayes> #theladle works
23:50 <e2020> um.. what do you mean? ah... sounds good
23:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft and I know what we want, and that is best solved for now by merging tCodeParser with the existing tValue
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you know what you want, why haven't you told me yet?
23:50 <e2020> tronicladle?
23:50 <Vanhayes> just type /join #theladle
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've only asked like 20 times now
23:50 <Lackadaisical> tronicladle sounds good
23:50 <joda_bot> pick one ;)
23:50 <e2020> van... you choose
23:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: tCodeParser will parse a string into a chain of tValue objects
23:51 <Vanhayes> #theladle is up already and is shorter so...
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's not telling me what you want, that's telling me what you have or what you will build
23:51 <luke-jr_> why I haven't told, is that I am coding more than listening here, and just now noticed you back
23:51 <joda_bot> roger
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: we tell mathexpr what variables are available before it parses the expression
23:51 <wrtlprnft> but after that we don't get feedback which variables the expression actually contains
23:51 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we want an extensible expression parser not restricted to math
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> right, and then what happens if a variable it knows about is not in the expression?
23:51 <e2020> i was looking at the servers and zman's has got a huge ping... maybe we should be playing somewhere else?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> so we don't know which variables we need to keep up to date
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> but if you gave it a function that has a double return type as a variable, you don't have to keep it up to date
23:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it just won't use the variable
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> it will retrieve the value on-demand
23:52 <wrtlprnft> RVar takes a float *
23:52 <wrtlprnft> we need to take care of keeping it up to date
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> double y;
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> RVar yvar ( "y" , &y );
23:53 <wrtlprnft> it's all float, i converted it
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> so if you pass RVar a function pointer instead of a pointer to a variable, you have to keep it up to date?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> you can't pass RVar a function pointer
23:53 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: float *x != float x(float in)
23:53 <wrtlprnft> class RVar{
23:53 <wrtlprnft> public:
23:53 <wrtlprnft> char*name;float*pval;
23:53 <wrtlprnft> RVar(){name=NULL;pval=NULL;};
23:53 <wrtlprnft> RVar(const RVar&);
23:53 <wrtlprnft> RVar(const char*,float*);
23:53 <wrtlprnft> ~RVar();
23:53 <wrtlprnft> friend int operator==(const RVar&,const RVar&);
23:53 <e2020> you guys actually talk code...
23:54 <wrtlprnft> };
23:54 <luke-jr_> e2020: lol, yes
23:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: see anything about function pointers? ;)
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then why can't you add another constructor that takes a function pointer?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> that would be RFunction
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, now you're getting stuff confused
23:54 <wrtlprnft> RFunction supports callbacks
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> as far as a mathematical function is concerned, a C function that has no arguments is a VARIABLE
23:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there are 2 ways: extend mathexpr or finish tCodeParser-- the latter is simpler, and easier to extend
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> so you need to just add to RVar another constructor that takes a function pointer to get what you want
23:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the code that uses RVar accesses the stored float * directly
23:55 <Vanhayes> e2020: Join #theladle
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> and then wherever in RVar it's used, obviously you'll need to change to a function call
23:55 <e2020> right... van.... where is the first match to be played?
23:55 <e2020> ok how
23:56 <joda_bot> say /join #theladle
23:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: I'll have to look at how it's used
23:56 <wrtlprnft> it might keep the RVar structure
23:56 <wrtlprnft> but it's more likely it just reads out the float * and saves it somewhere else
23:57 <wrtlprnft> so we'd have to change all that code, and all the code that uses the copied pointer
23:57 <e2020> did that work?
23:57 <wrtlprnft> e2020: no
23:57 <wrtlprnft> you're not in that channel
23:58 <e2020> so, do i have to leave this place, then enter it through the wiki again?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> no
23:58 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it's simpler and more extensible to use tCodeParser-- why do you reject it and insist on using something else?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> it should be sufficient to just say /join #theladle
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> because tCodeParse is NotInventedByLuke
23:58 <luke-jr_> no, tCodeParser is invented by luke
23:58 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:58 <luke-jr_> Maybe "NotInventedByLuke" is something you experience
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it saves the float to a member variable
23:58 <joda_bot> e2020: are you using the webinterface ?
23:59 <wrtlprnft> he is
23:59 <joda_bot> e2020: you might need to logout relogin
23:59 <wrtlprnft> look at his hostname
23:59 <e2020> i wrote it already... twice... '/join #theladle'
23:59 <luke-jr_> in so far that you reject anything I come up with
23:59 <joda_bot> as I allowed the channel just now
23:59 <e2020> yes i am using the webinterface
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: you're an idiot, of course I reject anything you come up with
23:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah, relogin e2020
23:59 <e2020> ok thanks and bye....
23:59 <wrtlprnft> hb
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> I've told you time and time again why I think you're an idiot, and you apparently have nothing to say other than "nonsense"
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23:59 <Lucifer_arma> which I don't believe
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00:00 <Nixda531> boo... this looks like the same place
00:00 <wrtlprnft> yes
00:00 <wrtlprnft> now try /join #theladle again
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00:01 * luke-jr_ votes to ignore Lucifer_arma, especially since he's not involved in tValue stuff, and go on implementing a solution
00:01 <wrtlprnft> well
00:02 <wrtlprnft> can't we have both and see which one works better?
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00:02 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure luke-jr_'s thing will be more extensible to out needs in the future
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00:02 <Vanhayes> Legit: are you team leader for LOL?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_ wouldn't know extensible if it fell out of the sky, landed on his head and started wiggling
00:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:02 <Legit> no, durka might not be here he told us
00:03 -!- PsYkO [n=0cb5e405@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:03 <Legit> so idk whats goin on
00:03 <Vanhayes> psyko and legit got to #theladle instead
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, one trouble i have myself with extending mathexpr is that it's even harder to read than most plain C code I've seen
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> pval is used form within RFunction
00:03 <wrtlprnft> not the interface, the actual parsing code
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> which is a little wrong to me, there should be a getter instead
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I'm reading through it right now, and it's a pain
00:03 <spidey> hmm
00:03 <PsYkO> hayes
00:04 <Vanhayes> ?
00:04 <PsYkO> can you make me some soup please
00:04 <PsYkO> im sick :(
00:04 <wrtlprnft> PsYkO: type /join #theladle
00:04 <Lackadaisical> he's there
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he's [sick]PsYk0
00:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
00:04 <wrtlprnft> i'm getting [sick] of switching channels
00:05 <wrtlprnft> how does splitscreen work in IRSSI again? :S
00:05 <Vanhayes> legit are you there?
00:05 <Legit> ya
00:05 <Vanhayes> join #theladle
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00:06 <Vanhayes> thats where all the teams are
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00:06 <wrtlprnft> lol
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00:06 <Legit> vanhayes?
00:06 <Legit> idk what ur talkin about i never dun this
00:07 <[Van]hayes> legit are you using the wiki interface?
00:07 <Legit> lol
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00:07 <luke-jr_> we have a wiki interface to here?
00:07 <wrtlprnft> no
00:07 <[Van]hayes> joda made it
00:07 <[Van]hayes> er
00:07 <wrtlprnft> but a link to one
00:07 <[Van]hayes> ya
00:07 <wrtlprnft> from the wiki
00:07 <wrtlprnft> it's a CGI::IRC thing
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00:08 <luke-jr_> hm
00:08 <luke-jr_> that explains the more ppl here lately
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> *(*ppvar)->pval=x; // Warning : could cause trouble if this value is used in a parallel process
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> y=op.Val();
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> *(*ppvar)->pval=xb;
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's the problem
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> RFunction changes the value of the RVal
00:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: all the ones with serverkompetenz in their hostnames
00:08 <Legit> brb
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00:09 <[Van]hayes> legit go back to the wiki link http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?adv=1) and instead of Channel #armagetron choose #theladle
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00:09 <[Van]hayes> argh
00:09 <[Van]hayes> legit go back to the wiki link http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?adv=1) and instead of Channel #armagetron choose #theladle
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00:09 <titsnass> yo
00:09 <titsnass> wasup
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00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how much recoding would be required to fix it, but the first thing I'd do is reformat the whole file so it can be read
00:09 <Legit> ok
00:09 <Legit> i went in there
00:10 <titsnass> what do you need help with legit?
00:10 <[Van]hayes> Legit: er are you the only one there?
00:10 <Legit> yes
00:10 <Legit> it disconnected me also
00:10 <[Van]hayes> lol join #theladle
00:10 <[Van]hayes> it should be an option
00:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: or we can just write a proper parser, like I did with tCodeParser
00:11 <titsnass> join the irc chat?
00:11 <Legit> i did
00:11 <titsnass> use a irc client instead
00:11 <titsnass> of this
00:11 <Legit> im only one in there
00:11 <luke-jr_> (note the parser is done)
00:11 <titsnass> -_-
00:11 <Legit> brb
00:11 <titsnass> legit..
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00:11 <titsnass> what do u want me here for
00:12 * Lucifer_arma notes that luke-jr_'s parser is going to be as much a pain as his tResourceManager, and everytime someone asks how to use it he's going to bitch at them
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> and that, by itself, is reason enough to reject it
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00:12 <wrtlprnft> i can't imagine something being much more unreadable than mathexpr
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't matter how good his parser is, and how fast it is, because in the end what matters is that luke-jr_ is going to chew every ass that comes along wanting to use it
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> and that's not acceptable
00:13 <wrtlprnft> I wanna see how well the reordering and restructuring works :)
00:13 * luke-jr_ thinks Lucifer_arma just has a bad case of NotInventedByLuke
00:14 * Lucifer_arma thinks luke-jr_ is just ignoring facts again
00:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if you don't like the resource manager, write an alternative interface to it instead of whining
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> why can't I just extend the resource manager?
00:17 <luke-jr_> same thing
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> not that that's the problem,t he problem is your reaction when I came here asking for help with it
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's a fact that every time someone tries to use code that you wrote, you bitch at them
00:18 <luke-jr_> prove it
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no
00:19 <luke-jr_> I didn't expect you to
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> of course not
00:19 * wrtlprnft is too new on this team to have tried to use luke-jr_'s code directly
00:19 <luke-jr_> mainly because you can't prove something false
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> mainly because you won't prove anything yourself
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> why should I give you the respect that you won't give to .. anyone?
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I asked what you want out of this expression parser, and you didn't tell me. I asked directly for a clear and concise answer that tells me what you want.
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> you gave me reasons you don't like mathexpr as an answer
00:20 <z-man> Hey, the Ger-USA match wasn't a total desaster, we even managed to get even teams :)
00:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: the resource manager is plain C and has more or less a single external call
00:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, I told you to read the posts I made on the topic
00:20 <luke-jr_> since they talk about what it needs to do
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> umm, no they don't
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you need to go reread them
00:21 <luke-jr_> maybe
00:21 <[wtf]spidey> mkzelda!
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> the thread you driected me too contains all fighting about whehter or not to build a scripting language
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> all the other threads on the topic talk about function parsing and using functions for values in maps
00:21 <luke-jr_> that's not the initial post
00:22 * wrtlprnft refers to #realchatlogs too, if anyone has the patience to download that
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, the initial post is the one that says "NotInventedByLuke"
00:22 <luke-jr_> Note when people say "function", they don't mean "math function"
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> in this context, that's what it means, because that's what we've been talking about from the very beginning
00:22 <wrtlprnft> not if they're programmers
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00:22 <Compn1> yo
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> back when it was just my and wrtlprnft dreaming about it
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> *me
00:23 <wrtlprnft> for me a function is something that takes any number of arguments and returns something based on them
00:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you ever restrict your functions to math functions?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> no
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, when I said way back when "it would be nice if it took real math functions, not c functions", I think I made it pretty clear what we were talking about
00:23 * Lucifer_arma notes this is a conversation we've been having off and on for several months now
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00:24 <wrtlprnft> about math functions?
00:24 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
00:24 <ghableska> hello wrtlprnft
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> about putting math functions in maps
00:24 <wrtlprnft> if you're in the ladle join #theladle
00:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: math functions are a subset of code functions
00:24 <luke-jr_> supporting the latter includes the former
00:24 <wrtlprnft> i always meant math expressions
00:25 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: if you're in the ladle join #theladle
00:25 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I'm not
00:25 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
00:25 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: discluding non-math functions?
00:25 <WS_manta> mkzelda: are you here? we need you on US fortress
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> #dict discluding
00:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No definition for "discluding" could be found.
00:25 <wrtlprnft> just wondered because you haven't been here for weeks and the ladle is going on right now
00:26 <luke-jr_> math functions will be supported in any case-- but they're not *all* that we need
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> why won't you tell me *all* that you need?
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i basically wanted to allow the user to specify any expression
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> in other words, tell me how much you've feature-creeped thist hing
00:26 <wrtlprnft> and use ingame variables for them
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00:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: a zone that's size is determined by the distance of the closest and furthest player alive
00:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there's an example
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> if that's all you want, you don't need an expression parser to get it
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> you can just hack the source directly to get it
00:27 <wrtlprnft> and for getting ingame data it's pretty annoying to be limited to functions with one parameter
00:28 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: content designers need to be able to use it via a string
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> radius="closestplayer" <-- now you have a string
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> why do I ask for "all" and luke-jr_ gives me "one"?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> he gave you an example
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't ask for an example
00:28 <luke-jr_> an example covering most of that all
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> why won't you tell me *all* that you need?
00:29 <wrtlprnft> of course he doesn't wanna add a vaiable named distanceofclosestandfarthestplayer
00:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I learn by example, so I teach by example by default
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> I asked for a specification, essentially
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> go write it up on the wiki if you need lots of room
00:30 <wrtlprnft> i really need to go to bed now, cya
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> because at this point, only a specification is going to work out the argument you and wrtlprnft were having to begin with
00:30 <luke-jr_> why waste time writing a requirement spec when I could implement it in half the time>?
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> so you see, I was actually trying to help
00:30 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the argument we were having was primarily between efficiency
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> fine, don't "waste time writing a spec". Instead, "waste time writing something that probably doesn't do what most other people want"
00:31 * wrtlprnft is helping by removing one discussion factor and hoping this discussion will come to an end, whatever result it'll be
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> just write a spec? Is that so hard to do?
00:31 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: in English, yes
00:31 <wrtlprnft> write it in C
00:31 <luke-jr_> I'm writing it in C++ ;p
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <luke-jr_> I'll consider it if you give me *one* reason why you need to understand
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> can't you fucking read?
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not asking because I "need to understand", I'm asking because you don't know what you want
00:35 <luke-jr_> I do. You don't.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> and that's all I'm going to say about it
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtl does.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> because YOU are not worth my time
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00:35 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore luke-jr_
00:35 <DrJoeTron> herro
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00:42 <luke-jr_> z-man: ping
00:43 <z-man> can't pong, trying to watch over ladle matches
00:43 <luke-jr_> aww
00:43 <luke-jr_> z-man: when you get a chance, can you help me add a file to tools/?
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00:51 <[wtf]spidey> mkzelda, ?
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02:12 <Vanhayes> wow I didnt even see ghab here
02:15 <Vanhayes> #later tell ghableska Vanhayes said hello
02:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
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02:36 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
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03:33 <[wtf]spidey> HMM
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> -cap
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> subspace is kinda fun
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> >.<
03:35 <Vanhayes> is subspace a space game?
03:38 <Vanhayes> that is also called continueum or something like that?
03:40 <mkzelda> What is more offensive, flipping the bird or yelling mother fucker?
03:41 <Vanhayes> yelling mother fucker
03:41 <Vanhayes> while fliping the bird
03:46 <[wtf]spidey> yes hayes
03:46 <Vanhayes> Ya ive played that one its fun
03:50 <[wtf]spidey> you still got it?
03:51 <Vanhayes> I dont think so
03:51 <Vanhayes> maybe
03:52 <[wtf]spidey> haha i suck at this thing
03:59 <[wtf]spidey> i think i found a second home
03:59 <[wtf]spidey> ;x
04:00 <Vanhayes> Its harder than it looks
04:11 <[wtf]spidey> nah
04:11 <[wtf]spidey> it's pretty fun
04:13 <[wtf]spidey> lahl someone called djsexiboi tried to add me to msn
04:13 <[wtf]spidey> >.<
04:17 * manta wonders whew spidey hangs out to find such interesting friends
04:21 <[wtf]spidey> hmm
04:21 <[wtf]spidey> his nick was C-Dawg
04:22 <[wtf]spidey> http://www.sscentral.com/index/
04:22 <[wtf]spidey> ;x
04:49 <[wtf]spidey> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night [wtf]spidey!
04:50 <manta> gnight
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05:06 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: gm
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> gm
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06:34 <Lucifer_arma> #g 13,455,046,016 bytes in GB
06:34 <armabot> 13,455,046,016 bytes = 12.5309881 gigabytes
06:42 <luke-jr_> #g 1 YB in bytes
06:42 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:42 <luke-jr_> lame
06:42 <luke-jr_> #g 1 TB in bytes
06:42 <armabot> 1 terabyte = 1,099,511,627,776 bytes
06:42 <luke-jr_> ook, at least it got that
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06:47 <DrJoeTron> any one want a peice of shit mouse let me know
06:48 <DrJoeTron> with keyboard probably
06:48 <DrJoeTron> wireless
06:51 <DrJoeTron> they both suck
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> warsow is kind of a combo of quake and unreal done bad
07:02 * Your_mom_arma finishes match
07:02 <DrJoeTron> sounds like a custom counterstrike server
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> kind of
07:03 <DrJoeTron> ever check out warrock?
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> nope
07:03 <DrJoeTron> its like bf2 for the person who doesnt want to pay for bf2
07:03 <DrJoeTron> in fact thats exactly what it is
07:03 <DrJoeTron> its open beta right now
07:03 <DrJoeTron> and its gonna be free forever
07:04 <DrJoeTron> www.warrock.net
07:04 <DrJoeTron> well, pseudo open
07:04 <DrJoeTron> you still have to rigster
07:04 <DrJoeTron> register*
07:05 <Your_mom_arma> is it worth registering?
07:08 * Your_mom_arma bookmarks for later
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07:20 <DrJoeTron> i have fun with it
07:20 <DrJoeTron> grnted i have bf2
07:20 <DrJoeTron> it has its problems
07:20 <DrJoeTron> being a beta
07:20 <DrJoeTron> like sometimes it will just crash
07:20 <DrJoeTron> it hasnt done that to me in a while
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07:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: to add a file to tools you have to put it into libtools_a_SOURCES in src/Makefile.am
07:47 * wrtlprnft will be away all day, just looked into the channel
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08:42 <DrJoeTron> balls is confusing you for oscilloscope
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> why?
08:43 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i know
09:54 <guru3> woo
09:54 <guru3> i've haxxed the forums
09:54 <guru3> to disable automatically :)
09:56 <guru3> l8rs
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10:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> #seen GodTodd
10:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 1 second ago: <GodTodd> k...think i just did the checkout
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11:23 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
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11:41 <philippeqc> hi
11:42 <philippeqc> hi Your_mom_arma
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12:26 <DrJoeTron> man
12:30 <philippeqc> ?
12:48 <DrJoeTron> so many angry players
12:48 <DrJoeTron> i should really talk to some of my moderators
12:48 <DrJoeTron> or post a caution
12:48 <DrJoeTron> like
12:51 <DrJoeTron> Admin: There are over 15 Moderators for this server. Each have a general but different opinion on what is right.
12:58 <DrJoeTron> i dont know i need to rephrase that better
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13:01 <philippeqc> what server
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13:11 <DrJoeTron> for me?
13:11 <DrJoeTron> Lobster Cage
13:11 <DrJoeTron> im starting to get flack because some players think im kicking them or other stuff
13:11 <DrJoeTron> or they think im killing players because they are winning
13:12 <DrJoeTron> which is all coinsidental
13:12 <DrJoeTron> since none of my mods have ever done that.
13:14 <DrJoeTron> and since my mods set rules are purely based on judgement "if players are doing something you dont see fit, do what you see fit to them"
13:14 <DrJoeTron> my "Kick Jerks" Policy
13:20 <philippeqc> its easy how a mentality on a server can drift into constant whine and complains
13:20 <philippeqc> and then moderators have only a few crude tools
13:21 <philippeqc> its talk to them, kick them, ban them
13:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
13:21 <DrJoeTron> got it
13:21 <philippeqc> we would need yellow and red cards. We would need "penalty, 30 sec for bad language".
13:22 <DrJoeTron> "Admin: There Are Over 15 Different Moderators for this server.
13:22 <DrJoeTron> Admin: Sime are nicer than me, some are not.
13:22 <guru3> lol
13:22 <DrJoeTron> Admin You've been warned. ;D
13:22 <philippeqc> yep
13:22 <DrJoeTron> how does that sound?
13:23 <philippeqc> I'd like language filter. Not just "30 sec penalty for saying suck" but "45 sec penalty for saying trying to go around the filter by saying sukc"
13:23 <philippeqc> its a good start
13:23 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:24 <DrJoeTron> or going omfg laggggggg
13:24 <DrJoeTron> any more than 1 g
13:24 <philippeqc> yep
13:24 <DrJoeTron> or more than two exclamation points
13:24 <philippeqc> lol, just saying lag should give you 15 sec penalty
13:24 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
13:24 <philippeqc> and be filtered by the server
13:24 <DrJoeTron> my policy was "whoever says lag, gets killed for the next 5 rounds
13:25 <guru3> lol
13:25 <philippeqc> lol that is too harsh
13:25 <DrJoeTron> not when thats all you heard every round
13:25 <DrJoeTron> at that time, it wasnt enough ;p
13:25 <DrJoeTron> yeah i admit, i can be a big jerk
13:25 <guru3> it's conditioning
13:26 <DrJoeTron> if i dont like your tone, i get rid of you
13:26 <DrJoeTron> or the rim huggers, i just crank the accel_rim to 10000
13:26 <philippeqc> I think we would need a penalty seat. get forced kick to spectator for the duration.
13:26 <philippeqc> just like hockey
13:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah!
13:26 <DrJoeTron> thats a great idea
13:27 <philippeqc> and a powerfull "good manner engine"
13:27 <DrJoeTron> and lets make it so spectators could NEVER vote kick
13:27 <philippeqc> yes
13:28 <philippeqc> meditate on that, and make a proposal on the forum
13:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:30 <DrJoeTron> i can see people getting drunk with mad power
13:30 <DrJoeTron> with that engine
13:30 <DrJoeTron> lets take Louven for example
13:30 <DrJoeTron> he can be a stickler for propper grammar
13:30 <philippeqc> like what? "making swearing dissapear and create a positive atmosphere on their server" type of mad power?
13:31 <guru3> i was considering adding a word filter at one point
13:31 <philippeqc> you can say what you want about mbc, but their constant "no bad language" rule has created quite a positive atmosphere on their server.
13:32 <philippeqc> and server accepting it tend to spiral to "kick the newbies" fest, constant whining exchanges.
13:32 <philippeqc> guru3: add a penalty box mode (like spectator, but without the voting)
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13:33 <DrJoeTron> like "typing "ur" instead of "your" or "you're" and being silenced" like "GME: Player: Dr Joe Tron said "ur" Penalty Box for 2 rounds. Learn To Type!
13:33 <philippeqc> add to that that the server never relays your message when you trigger a rule
13:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: there is a thing called balance. if you set up a good set of server rules, some players will leave. If you push too hard on the rules, all the players will leave
13:34 <DrJoeTron> exactly
13:34 <philippeqc> some players will stay there and enjoy a perfect grammar world
13:34 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:34 <philippeqc> but you will not be forced to play there
13:34 <DrJoeTron> this is true
13:35 <DrJoeTron> I think this is a fantastic idea
13:35 <DrJoeTron> but i think i would just get rid of annoying slang
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5866 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gParser.cpp zone/zEffector.cpp zone/zEffector.h): Basis for having effect give text message. I cant make them accept parameters so temporary disabled
13:35 <philippeqc> then you would create an associated effect
13:35 <DrJoeTron> and oh! how about at least a warning method
13:36 <philippeqc> you can give 5 sec penalty too
13:36 <DrJoeTron> like Player: philippeqc said "booger". Watch your tone!
13:36 <philippeqc> or yellow card
13:37 <DrJoeTron> racials slurs = instaban
13:37 <philippeqc> moderators could trigger warning and penalties
13:37 <DrJoeTron> i personally would have a pretty leniant filter
13:37 <DrJoeTron> since i swear quite alot, but not at people ever.
13:37 <philippeqc> I'm sure if offences pivot around 15 sec, and bigger ones at 30, that will have the desired effect.
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i like it.
13:38 <philippeqc> just think up what else you would need, and then post it on the forum
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i will.
13:38 <philippeqc> this is really not the type of thing that I'm good at
13:38 <philippeqc> so I'll pass.
13:38 <philippeqc> ;)
13:39 <DrJoeTron> il probably post this in the next 20 minutes. I'll type it out so its a bit well thought out.
13:39 <philippeqc> ok
13:41 <DrJoeTron> what would this be classifyed under, out of curiousity
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Development? or add ons?
13:41 <philippeqc> server admin?
13:41 <DrJoeTron> good place
13:41 <philippeqc> or dev
13:41 <philippeqc> yep
13:41 <DrJoeTron> id say dev's
13:42 <philippeqc> I'd start by bouncing it off a few admin first
13:42 <philippeqc> collect ideas
13:42 <philippeqc> correct some
13:42 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:43 <DrJoeTron> alright, convo copied
13:50 <DrJoeTron> ah, i love spanish ska :D
13:51 <DrJoeTron> they do it so much better than america ever has.
13:51 <DrJoeTron> all of our ska bands stink
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ok so,
13:54 <DrJoeTron> do we want this to be automated?
13:54 <philippeqc> yes
13:54 <Your_mom_arma> skas slogan - its punk... with horns!
13:54 <philippeqc> or admin will have to be all the time giving 15 secs here and there
13:59 <philippeqc> zones can change settings now ;)
14:00 <Your_mom_arma> Awesome
14:00 <philippeqc> they also support "description" or text put on the console
14:01 <Your_mom_arma> philippeqc: did you check out this post http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6661
14:01 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5867 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Zone effect can set settings
14:01 <philippeqc> but after 2 days effort, I still cant have them take a string "\1 received \2 points for reason that he is soo leet"
14:01 <philippeqc> and replace \1 with the name and \2 with the numbers of point
14:02 <philippeqc> yes, I like it
14:02 <DrJoeTron> hmmm...shit, time to crack out the thesaurus
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i cant think of a word
14:03 <DrJoeTron> there we go
14:03 <DrJoeTron> overbearing
14:04 <DrJoeTron> thats the word i wanted.
14:04 <DrJoeTron> I'll show you what i have written. in a second. but i've summed it pretty well.
14:04 <DrJoeTron> so far
14:04 <DrJoeTron> for being up since 11pm
14:04 <philippeqc> Your_mom_arma: map to support spawn description is somewhat easy. but to associated between what the map identify as a player and what the game identify as a player is something else
14:05 <philippeqc> you have given 4 different such association.
14:05 <philippeqc> for me that is "team code", ie: how do you build a team and a round. Joda has a bit started on that. He should be done with his thesis in ~2 weeks
14:09 <DrJoeTron> alright, i made it pretty basic
14:15 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78921#78921
14:16 <guru3> wha
14:16 <guru3> i said 2 lines
14:16 <guru3> how is that a conversation
14:16 <DrJoeTron> you would have gotten credit if you had said one line
14:17 <guru3> ><
14:17 <[wtf]spidey> <>
14:17 <DrJoeTron> its not like your lines were "yo mom, ya get that thing i sent ya?"
14:17 -!- [wtf]spidey is now known as spidey
14:17 <DrJoeTron> you contributed either way
14:17 <guru3> ok ><
14:17 <DrJoeTron> take credit where credit is due
14:17 <DrJoeTron> "D
14:20 <Your_mom_arma> haha
14:21 * spidey trips mommy
14:24 <Your_mom_arma> whether not weather
14:24 <DrJoeTron> yeah i fixed one of them
14:24 <DrJoeTron> i though i deleted it
14:24 <DrJoeTron> :/
14:25 <Your_mom_arma> #dict wether
14:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: wn: wether n : male sheep especially a castrated one; bouvier: WETHER. A castrated ram, at least one year old in ark indictment it may be called a sheep. 4 Car. & Payne, 216; 19 Eng. Com. Law Rep. 351; gcide: Wether \Weth"er\, n. [OE. wether, AS. we[eth]er; akin to OS. wethar, withar, a ram, D. weder, G. widder, OHG. widar, Icel. (1 more message)
14:25 <Your_mom_arma> classy
14:26 <Your_mom_arma> misspell it as the castrated sheep it'll make it more interesting
14:26 <spidey> #check wether
14:26 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "wether": weather, whether, wither, wet her, wet-her, whither, ether, withe, aether, nether, tether, wetter, and worthier.
14:26 <spidey> ;x
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i had it as whether
14:26 <spidey> "wet her"
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:27 <DrJoeTron> but dictionary.com said it wasnt a real word
14:27 <DrJoeTron> for some odd reason
14:27 <DrJoeTron> maybe cause i typed it wrong or something
14:27 <Your_mom_arma> whither (wandering) whether(subjective) weather (spluh) wether (castrated sheep)
14:27 <spidey> i love how ares takes 3 hours to hash 50gigs
14:28 <spidey> i got 70 movies ;x
14:28 <Your_mom_arma> have
14:28 <spidey> got!
14:29 <Your_mom_arma> have gotten?
14:29 <spidey> i'm country so your spelling and english rules don't apply to me
14:29 <spidey> ;x
14:30 <philippeqc> did you receive 70 movies, or where you in the possession of them before the operation
14:30 <spidey> i downloaded them O.o
14:30 <philippeqc> see how you excuse allow you for bad language is swallow and lead to miscomprehension
14:31 <spidey> repeat that in broken english plzkthnx ;x
14:31 <spidey> 2 hours!
14:32 <philippeqc> it aint not good like aboot the when you say that you like say that its like man like right to like talk like a red'nek
14:33 <philippeqc> I'm from quebec, should I speak french and expect you to understand?
14:33 <philippeqc> you are after all a superior american. that should be a problem for you
14:34 <spidey> try it ;x
14:34 <philippeqc> j'ai rein a dire pour l'instant
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:34 <philippeqc> mais ca n'empeche pas que je trouve ca poche quand le monde se donne des excuses pour justifier leur mediocrite.
14:35 <spidey> what's mediocrity mean
14:35 <spidey> O.o
14:36 * Your_mom_arma hands you #dict
14:36 <spidey> #dict mediocrity
14:36 <spidey> ;
14:36 <spidey> ;x
14:36 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: mediocrity n 1: ordinariness as a consequence of being average and not outstanding [syn: {averageness}] 2: a person of second-rate ability or value; "a team of aging second-raters"; "shone among the mediocrities who surrounded him" [syn: {second-rater}]; gcide: Mediocrity \Me`di*oc"ri*ty\, n. [F. m['e]diocrit['e], L. mediocritas.] [1913 (6 more messages)
14:37 <DrJoeTron> ok ok zman brings up some good points
14:37 <spidey> ?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> hey, whats the deal witht he character map
14:37 <DrJoeTron> can you edit that server side?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> at all?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> like take out words :p
14:37 <DrJoeTron> erm...characters
14:37 <spidey> asciii ?
14:38 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:38 <spidey> i saw something about it in the source
14:38 <spidey> was looking for something else i didn't find >.<
14:38 <DrJoeTron> hmm
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14:41 <Your_mom_arma> just bug zman till you can add something like /admin force_quiet_1 100 to your instachat
14:41 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
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14:46 <DrJoeTron> bbl
14:47 * Your_mom_arma notes that out of 1092 registed forum members ~450 have 2 or more posts
14:47 <spidey> i'm one of the other ones :-s
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16:35 <madmax|pt> hello
16:35 <DrJoeTron> hey there
16:35 <DrJoeTron> and good bye "D
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18:14 * Vanhayes slaps spidey and goes off to paint again
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18:27 <spidey> #seen ghableska
18:27 <armabot> spidey: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 18 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds ago: <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I'm not
18:27 * spidey goes play halo
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19:00 <spidey> 1330 ping O.O
19:00 <ghableska> :O
19:00 <spidey> heh
19:04 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: lol
19:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you were demanding C++ from me, yet tValue has at least 2 cases of C instead of C++ =p
19:19 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Zones_v2
19:22 <luke-jr_> hehe... I looked at that and saw "wikipedia" and was like "wtf? Zones v2 on wikipedia?" =p
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20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/DSC01384.jpg
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old would anyone guess the girl on the pic?
20:39 <spidey> 50
20:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha
20:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> honestly?
20:40 <spidey> no, but at first look that's what i thought
20:40 <spidey> ;D
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20:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so what u think?
20:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi lizzy
20:40 <spidey> when it was first loading i thought the boy was the girl >.<
20:40 <linuxlizzard> hi :)
20:40 <spidey> hi
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/DSC01384.jpg
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old u think the girl on the pic is?
20:41 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, is the dude you?
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
20:41 <spidey> i love you man ;x
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
20:42 <linuxlizzard> hmm do I have to guess :P
20:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
20:42 <spidey> but...i love Vanhayes more
20:42 <linuxlizzard> idk...
20:42 <linuxlizzard> I'll go for...
20:42 <spidey> 17?
20:42 <linuxlizzard> ya thats about it
20:43 <linuxlizzard> but I know its wrong
20:43 <linuxlizzard> ;)
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> she's 15
20:43 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:43 <luke-jr_> 5?
20:43 <linuxlizzard> lol
20:43 <spidey> well
20:43 <spidey> i said 50 first
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: ha ha
20:44 <spidey> so i feel sorry for her when she turns 50 ;s
20:44 <linuxlizzard> lol
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old would you guess i am? (the guy on the very same pic :P)
20:44 <spidey> 10?
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha ha
20:44 <spidey> :)
20:45 <spidey> oh sorry
20:45 <spidey> i forgot you're 9 and luke-jr_ is 10
20:45 <spidey> ;x
20:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_ is 3
20:45 <spidey> go back to your corner young man!
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: what do you think about my age?
20:46 <linuxlizzard> eh, we'll say 16
20:46 <linuxlizzard> because I can
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> again wrong
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> again off by 2 years
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but this time
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the other direction
20:47 <spidey> YOUR 14!?!?!?!
20:47 <spidey> you're
20:47 <spidey> !
20:47 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the other direction
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ie
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> up
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i am 18
20:47 <spidey> where's ya facial hair man >.<
20:47 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> finally dinner time
20:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cyall later
20:48 <linuxlizzard> kk
20:48 <spidey> die!
20:48 <linuxlizzard> :)
20:48 <spidey> choke on a carrot
20:48 <spidey> ;x
20:49 <luke-jr_> I'm 21
20:49 <luke-jr_> spidey was half the correct values :p
20:50 <linuxlizzard> hah
20:50 <spidey> you're 5?
20:55 <Vanhayes> #g 21/2
20:55 <armabot> 21 / 2 = 10.5
20:55 <Vanhayes> thats for you spidey
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21:26 <spidey> Vanhayes, shut it and get back to painting
21:26 <ghableska> o.0
21:26 * Vanhayes is done painting for the day
21:26 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
21:26 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
21:26 <ghableska> painting what?
21:27 <Vanhayes> my house
21:27 <ghableska> are you all covered in paint now?
21:27 <Vanhayes> well the tops of my house today
21:27 <Vanhayes> not anymore
21:27 <ghableska> oh, lol
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21:50 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know, both Condition and Math should have separate subclasses, that would even be more efficient
22:29 <wrtlprnft> i was mentally sleeping when programming that i guess. Change it if you like.
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> neat lagometers meriton has there
22:39 <spidey> ?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=79081#79081
22:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, in that patch meriton introduces yet another color class :(
22:44 <spidey> i'm starting to get annoyed >.<
22:44 <wrtlprnft> now we have his Colour, gRealColor, rColor and tColor
22:44 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
22:44 <spidey> i've got 1 cigarette left, i had 3, 2 days ago
22:44 <wrtlprnft> quit smoking
22:44 <spidey> i ask my grandma to get me a pack yesterday, she brings me something from mcdonalds
22:44 <spidey> i ask today she brings me something from KFC >.<
22:45 <spidey> you quit smoking
22:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i never smoked
22:45 <wrtlprnft> which is the best thing anyways
22:45 <spidey> good then you'll live longer than me
22:45 <spidey> now shush
22:46 <wrtlprnft> // z-man: HUH? I don't understand the code above any more and it seems to be leaky.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> (follows some commented out code
22:46 <wrtlprnft> )
22:47 <wrtlprnft> a nice codebase we have ;)
22:47 <spidey> ??
22:47 <nemostultae> What the heck is CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: for invoulnerable cycle
22:47 <spidey> the respawn thing?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> s
22:47 <nemostultae> ahh, yes.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> ah, remind me to look into that
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make it so only the cycle blinks, not the lagometer and label
22:48 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY
22:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY: Frequency in Hz an invulnerable cycle blinks with.
22:48 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:48 <spidey> my monitor has 59.9Hz
22:49 <wrtlprnft> how is that important for us?
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22:49 <spidey> it's not?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> well
22:49 <wrtlprnft> my foot has 5 toes
22:50 <spidey> really?
22:50 <spidey> mine has 4
22:50 <spidey> i got a
22:50 <wrtlprnft> my notebook is missing a key
22:51 <linuxlizzard> so is mine
22:51 <linuxlizzard> the enter key no less
22:51 <spidey> big toe , index toe, middle toe , and a ring toe
22:51 <spidey> then i got a pinky toe
22:51 <wrtlprnft> it's the F12 key for me
22:51 <linuxlizzard> hehe
22:51 <wrtlprnft> you wear a ring on your toe? gay.
22:51 <spidey> only when i'm on the way to your house
22:51 <spidey> ;x
22:52 <wrtlprnft> well, that'll be quite some time you have to wear it then
22:52 <wrtlprnft> from your place for mine you'll have about 18 hours of flying and waiting time
22:54 <wrtlprnft> what about I just put meriton's new classes into a namespace so they can't conflict with other code?
22:57 <linuxlizzard> depends if the code is kewl enough to deserve a new namespace :P
22:58 <wrtlprnft> it's local to a .cpp file anyways
22:58 <linuxlizzard> indeed
22:58 <wrtlprnft> I just don't want it to create a conflict in the unlikely case we ever introduce a Colour class
22:59 <linuxlizzard> aha, ya that could become troublesom
22:59 <linuxlizzard> e
23:10 <wrtlprnft> yuck
23:11 <wrtlprnft> my client keeps crashing :S
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #later tell philippeqc the trunk client keeps crashing after every new round on a server with old maps, i suspect it's something about zones
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:30 * wrtlprnft thinks it was maybe a bad idea to merge the new zone model already, I think the new client didn't get enough testing :S
23:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok, I'm also making a virtual GetValue that returns a variant
23:36 <luke-jr_> and Base::GetInt/GetFloat/GetString all convert GetValue
23:36 <luke-jr_> so subclasses will only need to usually override GetValue
23:36 <luke-jr_> omg, my changes compiled o.o
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i'd have loved to make GetInt/GetFloat/GetString a template
23:37 <wrtlprnft> but i don't see a way to do it with virtual functions
23:37 <luke-jr_> well, with the new design they don't *need* to be virtual
23:37 <luke-jr_> maybe
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:38 <luke-jr_> they need to be virtual if we want to allow GetString => "x minutes" on a value stored in seconds
23:38 <luke-jr_> but otherwise, the Base::GetString would handle any subclass
23:38 <wrtlprnft> something needs to be virtual or the whole tValue concept won't work
23:38 <luke-jr_> GetValue is virtual
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> so GetValue returns what?
23:39 <luke-jr_> it returns either int, float, or tString
23:39 <luke-jr_> or rather
23:39 <wrtlprnft> errm
23:39 <luke-jr_> boost::variant<int, float, tString>
23:39 <wrtlprnft> aah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it makes sense
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23:40 <wrtlprnft> and I'll go to bed, I can't do anything useful anyways until ph fixes his zones
23:40 <luke-jr_> GetInt/GetFloat use boost::lexical_cast for coversion
23:40 <luke-jr_> GetString uses Output
23:40 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:40 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:57 * linuxlizzard is away: lets see...
01:13 * spidey slaps Vanhayes
01:13 * Vanhayes asks why
01:13 * spidey says just cause
01:14 * linuxlizzard laughs from the corner
01:14 * spidey throws a stick at linuxlizzard
01:14 * linuxlizzard screams in pain
01:14 <spidey> #google McSpiddles
01:14 <spidey> ?
01:14 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.21 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
01:15 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
01:15 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft again
01:15 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft once again
01:15 <spidey> ;x
01:15 * Vanhayes slaps spidey
01:15 <spidey> there now we're even
01:15 * Vanhayes hots spidey
01:15 <Vanhayes> hits*
01:15 <spidey> awe
01:15 <spidey> i like you to
01:16 <spidey> ;x
01:16 * Vanhayes pushes spidey into a deep pit
01:16 <spidey> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 66 times.
01:16 <spidey> For example, like this:
01:16 <spidey> * spidey slaps Fonkay
01:16 <spidey> :D
01:16 <linuxlizzard> spidey wasn't very popular, getting kicked 3 times!
01:16 <linuxlizzard> For example, like this:
01:16 <linuxlizzard> *** spidey was kicked by guru3
01:16 <linuxlizzard> :P
01:16 <spidey> lmao
01:16 <Vanhayes> Poor spidey, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 45 times.
01:16 <Vanhayes> For example, like this:
01:16 <Vanhayes> * SpideySlappersBr slaps spidey
01:16 <spidey> :<
01:17 * Vanhayes kicks spidey
01:17 * Vanhayes kicks spidey again
01:17 * Vanhayes kicks spidey again one more time
01:17 * spidey stabs Vanhayes
01:17 * spidey stabs Vanhayes again
01:17 * spidey stabs Vanhayes again and again
01:17 * spidey stabs Vanhayes again just cause
01:17 <spidey> wait
01:17 <spidey> we should beat up on wrtl
01:17 <spidey> he's begind me
01:18 -!- spidey is now known as SpideyWinsCaps
01:18 * Vanhayes still beats spidey
01:18 <SpideyWinsCaps> I WIN WITH CAPS
01:18 -!- SpideyWinsCaps is now known as spidey
01:18 <spidey> :D
01:18 <Vanhayes> some how I dont think that is gonna work
01:18 <spidey> of course
01:19 <spidey> that's 100% caps with that name
01:19 <spidey> ;x
01:19 <Vanhayes> damn where did Styball go?
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01:19 <spidey> someone popped it?
01:19 <Vanhayes> heh that must be it
01:19 <spidey> ok
01:19 <spidey> i'ma go play subspace
01:20 <Vanhayes> continuum
01:20 <spidey> samething
01:20 * Vanhayes looks for it on his comp
01:22 <Vanhayes> spidey: what version are you using of continuum?
01:22 <Vanhayes> or subspace I guess
01:24 <deja_vu_> *.*
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01:33 <spidey> dunno
01:34 <spidey> but i'm getting owned :D
01:34 <spidey> it's the new version
01:34 <spidey> www.sscentral.com
01:34 <spidey> oh
01:34 <spidey> version 0.38
01:35 <Vanhayes> ya I just downloaded 0.39 from here http://www.subspacedownloads.com/ and it wont load
01:35 <Vanhayes> so im gonna get 0.38
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01:44 <Compn> anyone to play hide and seek?
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01:46 <Compn> nm
01:46 <Vanhayes> ?
01:47 <Vanhayes> what is hide and go seek?
01:47 <Compn> stonehenge
01:47 <Compn> server
01:48 <spidey> lol
01:48 <Vanhayes> o ya
01:48 <Vanhayes> spidey: continuum is sucking all my cpu and it wont load
01:48 * Vanhayes hates that
01:49 <Vanhayes> not only that but I cant termanate the process
01:50 <spidey> i may have only been playing 2 days
01:50 <spidey> but it takes 3 of them to kill me
01:50 <spidey> :D
01:51 <Vanhayes> brb
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02:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back! *kiss*
02:22 <spidey> http://images.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/BDX/BDX321/bxp58368.jpg
02:22 <spidey> they want $409 for that
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin' around?
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> #seen GodTodd
02:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 17 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <GodTodd> k...think i just did the checkout
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> I need someone to listen to some tracks on a stereo system that has pretty good speakers and stuff, i.e. not computer speakers and not cheap headphones
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here fit that description?
03:00 <luke-jr_> I have a sound system that beams the optical audio into my head as brainwaves
03:00 <luke-jr_> does that count?
03:00 <luke-jr_> armagetronad_main-cCockpit.o:(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTVN6tValue6NumberIiEE+0x40): undefined reference to `tValue::Base::GetValue() const'
03:00 <luke-jr_> wtf does that mean
03:01 <luke-jr_> virtual Variant GetValue(void) const; //!< Returns the value in its native format
03:02 <luke-jr_> oh, duh!
03:03 <luke-jr_> it compiles and links! I wonder if it works!
03:03 * luke-jr_ ponders how to test tValues
03:05 <luke-jr_> answer: does the cockpit look ok?
03:05 <luke-jr_> question: I didn't reimplement Subtract,Multiply, or Divide-- WTF does the cockpit look ok? :/
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03:39 <Lucifer_arma> I need someone to listen to some tracks on a stereo system that has pretty good speakers and stuff, i.e. not computer speakers and not cheap headphones
03:39 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here fit that description?
04:12 <spidey> i do
04:12 <spidey> but i'd have to burn it
04:13 <spidey> and i only have dvd -r's
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's fine. :) Here are the links:
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/feeling.ogg
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chocolate.ogg
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/stones.ogg
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/thc.ogg
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> I need to know if the bass is overwhelming, and I can't determine that on my own system because my own system already has a lot of bass
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> since it's built from guitar amps instead of regular home stereo gear :)
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> it sounds wonderful in my headphones, but they're cheap walkman headphones
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> except for feeling.ogg, I want to say they're all finished so I never have to play them again, so I'm willing to live with the mistakes that are there now
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04:52 <spidey> gay
04:52 <spidey> server killed me
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04:56 <luke-jr__> Local games crash after a round :/
04:57 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i would but 2 things
04:58 <spidey> 1 grandma is sleeping and don't wanna hear her bitch because stuff is falling off her dresser ect, and it's only 3 songs and i only have 3 dvd -r's left 1 which i'm putting a raw debian iso on
05:03 <luke-jr__> spidey: um, I think he meant a CD-R or just wire the speakers to the PC =p
05:03 <spidey> well
05:03 <spidey> i don't have cd -r's
05:04 <spidey> and i've already fried one soundcard doing that
05:04 <luke-jr__> lol?
05:04 <spidey> i'd like to keep my other 2 :)
05:04 <spidey> actually i wired the stereo to the pc
05:04 <spidey> but that's beside the point
05:05 <luke-jr__> =p
05:05 <spidey> besides
05:05 <spidey> there's still problem 1
05:05 <spidey> grandma is sleeping ;D
05:05 <luke-jr__> yea yea
05:05 <luke-jr__> =p
05:05 <spidey> well i've heard her bitch enough today
05:06 <spidey> and i just smoked my last cigarette so i'm going to bed in about 30 minutes
05:12 <spidey> #night
05:12 <armabot> Good night spidey!
05:12 <spidey> why thank you armabot ;x
05:14 <luke-jr__> cigarettes should be illegal
05:18 <GodTodd> as should alcohol, guns and cars, eh?
05:18 <GodTodd> ;)
05:23 <luke-jr__> certainly not guns or cars
05:26 <luke-jr__> it should be illegal for someone over 21 to be without a gun
05:26 <luke-jr__> and education on gun control (how to hit what you aim at) should be mandatory
05:27 <GodTodd> education doesn't stop homicidal thoughts
05:28 <luke-jr__> no, but the fact that anyone you try to kill is also armed does
05:28 <GodTodd> and cars give off at least as many carcinogens as cigarette smoke
05:28 <luke-jr__> not electric ones
05:29 <luke-jr__> and not inside a person's body
05:29 <GodTodd> ummm...try not breathing smog
05:30 * Your_mom_arma passes out from not breathing smog
05:30 <GodTodd> and on the gun thing....you sure about that?...cops are openly armed and NONE of them get shot
05:30 <GodTodd> ever
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05:31 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: hey
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> you still there?
05:31 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: hey
05:31 <GodTodd> yeah
05:31 <Your_mom_arma> liar
05:32 <GodTodd> listening to some 'more legislation please' drivel
05:32 <GodTodd> heh
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> can you give a listen to a few tracks and tell me if there's too much bass? They need to be listened on some home stereo speakers,
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> not computer speakers (no matter how good you say they are) or headphones
05:32 <luke-jr__> GodTodd: that's my point
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> I need to know if there's too much bass
05:32 <GodTodd> give me a few and i can probably manage
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/feeling.ogg
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chocolate.ogg
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/stones.ogg
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/thc.ogg
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> chocolate and thc are the most critical, afaic
05:33 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: what is your point, exactly? that I'm right or no cops get shot?
05:33 <GodTodd> k
05:34 <luke-jr__> GodTodd: anyone armed is unlikely to get shot
05:35 <luke-jr__> therefore, arming everyone reduces homocide near 0
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05:35 <GodTodd> my point was that cops get shot even tho they are openly armed
05:35 <GodTodd> perhaps sarcasm should be outlawed as well?
05:36 <luke-jr__> I think you'll find cops are shot much less often than non-cops
05:36 <luke-jr__> you'll also find there are much fewer homocides in the *presense* of cops
05:36 <GodTodd> and how many drug dealers are shot?
05:36 <GodTodd> and how many are armed?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> wlel, all I hve to say about it is that
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy
05:37 <GodTodd> i shot the deputy
05:37 <GodTodd> ;)
05:37 <GodTodd> cuz you missed
05:37 <GodTodd> :P
05:37 <luke-jr__> GodTodd: which country was not invaded by the Nazis?
05:37 <Your_mom_arma> cuba?
05:37 <luke-jr__> or rather, managed to get neutral status
05:37 <GodTodd> the US :D
05:37 <GodTodd> lol
05:38 <luke-jr__> the US was not neutral =p
05:38 <luke-jr__> and was attacked
05:38 <GodTodd> not invaded by nazis either
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> no need, we grow nazis here
05:38 <GodTodd> yep
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> we have all kinds, we take all kinds. We're the Great American Slut
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, except if you're Mexican, we want to ship you back to Mexico, green card or not, naturalized citizen or not
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> and those illegal canadians
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> blame canada
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> damn armed illegal canadians, can't ship 'em back
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> they shoot our ins guys
05:40 <GodTodd> not if we arm the ins guys
05:40 <GodTodd> :D
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> we should just stretch a pole across texas and move it northward, you know, hold it about 3 feet above the ground
05:41 <GodTodd> then you don't catch the japanese ;)
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> all the mexicans will jump over it or slide under it, and the white people will move north
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> then send tanks into the southern part of the state--they'll run back to mexico then
05:42 <GodTodd> nah....we need bigger government and more laws taking away our rights
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I think that immigration policy would make more sense than Bush's :)
05:42 <GodTodd> that'll fix it
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> we could just relocate the wall of china
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> it'll keep out invading huns
05:42 <GodTodd> now the huns are pissed at us? :/
05:42 <GodTodd> is canadia taking applications?
05:42 <GodTodd> lol
05:44 <Your_mom_arma> convince mexico to become a state, problem solved
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> "You're right, it was a bit childish. And it fully deserved the phrase "show some dignity" from someone who uses the name "Your mom". I for one appreciate the irony, bravo. - Inf"
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> lol
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06:02 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: not too much bass at all, imo
06:04 <GodTodd> chocolate reminds me of Milk a bit :)
06:04 <GodTodd> man that sounds like a food review, doesn't it?
06:04 <GodTodd> heh
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06:31 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: yeah, it does. :) chocolate was inspired by milk :)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I wrote that song in that US History class we were in, I guess we were juniors?
06:37 <GodTodd> yep
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06:51 <Lucifer_arma> my website's fucked and I can't seem to find the drupal input filter that fixes it
06:55 <luke-jr__> hm
06:55 <luke-jr__> I just touched every file in trunk
06:55 <luke-jr__> I think
06:56 <luke-jr__> oh well, it's an overdue update
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07:15 <TitsnAss> yo
07:15 <TitsnAss> yoooo anyone have z-man's custom config file
07:15 <TitsnAss> with his team color settings etc..
07:16 <luke-jr__> they're not default?
07:16 <TitsnAss> didn't look like it
07:16 <TitsnAss> it makes the color of team according to center
07:16 <TitsnAss> and the name of team
07:16 <luke-jr__> ...
07:16 <luke-jr__> that's default
07:16 <luke-jr__> with NAME_TEAM_AFTER_PLAYER 1
07:16 <TitsnAss> errr
07:16 <TitsnAss> ok
07:16 <luke-jr__> or something like that
07:17 <TitsnAss> is there anyway i can get z-mans config
07:17 <TitsnAss> everyone wants his settings :/
07:17 <luke-jr__> they're in examples
07:17 <TitsnAss> like the name of his server etcc..
07:17 <TitsnAss> i know theres more to what u put in the example
07:17 <TitsnAss> he*
07:17 <luke-jr__> the name isn't part of what should be shared
07:17 <luke-jr__> that's like asking for ADMIN_PASS
07:18 <TitsnAss> ahh i know
07:18 <TitsnAss> the name
07:18 <TitsnAss> but the other settings
07:18 <luke-jr__> the other settings are in example
07:18 <TitsnAss> :/ ok
07:18 <TitsnAss> thanks
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's in examples
07:18 <luke-jr__> note
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> config/examples
07:18 <luke-jr__> Bugfarm has Team Gold/Blue
07:18 <TitsnAss> yeah
07:18 <luke-jr__> it doesn't name or color teams by center
07:18 <TitsnAss> how do i make it do that stuff
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> follow the directions on the wiki?
07:19 <luke-jr__> read the example config files
07:19 <luke-jr__> or that
07:19 <TitsnAss> hah wouldn't it be easier to have a config file
07:19 <luke-jr__> or read armagetronad --doc =p
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> there is a config file, and if you look on the wiki, you'll learn how to use it
07:19 <luke-jr__> it would be easier if people RTFM before asking
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> or you could sit here and bitch, up to you really
07:20 <luke-jr__> especially for simple stuff
07:20 <TitsnAss> i'm reading wik ilol
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> you could keep waiting for someone to come and hold your hand, or realize you're not a kid anymore and you can do it yourself...
07:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5868 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (261 files in 15 dirs): FSF moved (snail mail)
07:20 <TitsnAss> kk
07:20 <luke-jr__> ... after like 10-15 minutes it finishes committing =p
07:20 <TitsnAss> are there any hand holders here?
07:21 <TitsnAss> jus kiddin
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> not last time I checked :)
07:21 * luke-jr__ holes TitsnAss's hand till he reaches the cliff's edge
07:21 <luke-jr__> holds*
07:21 <TitsnAss> your a holer!
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I am
07:21 <luke-jr__> me too
07:21 <luke-jr__> if the server supports holes, it's fair play
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, afaik, I made that into a useful tactic
07:22 <luke-jr__> if you don't like holes, make your own server (I can host them cheap! ;p) and disable them
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> that is, the first use I know of it where it was done intentionally was done by me, and several other players have supported that. HOles were used previously, though, but afaik never intentionally created for that purpose.
07:22 <TitsnAss> what kind of connection will the server be on?
07:22 <luke-jr__> TitsnAss: T1
07:22 <TitsnAss> teamlol.tk site made by me
07:22 <TitsnAss> how much mb upload and dl
07:22 <luke-jr__> TitsnAss: low ping, see Gamma Server or US Sty for examples
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> who areyou asking?
07:22 <TitsnAss> i can host on a 100 mbit connection
07:23 <TitsnAss> luke
07:23 <luke-jr__> TitsnAss: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
07:23 <TitsnAss> will your server be faster than that?
07:23 <TitsnAss> lol
07:23 <luke-jr__> TitsnAss: it will be fast enough for the server
07:23 <TitsnAss> lol
07:24 <luke-jr__> bandwidth isn't the biggest issue with hosting Arma
07:24 <luke-jr__> latency is
07:25 <luke-jr__> bandwidth is easy to get good
07:25 <TitsnAss> explain what latency is
07:26 <luke-jr__> ping
07:26 <TitsnAss> oh
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07:26 <TitsnAss> but if you were hosting on a faster connectoin
07:26 <TitsnAss> the ping would be better right?
07:26 <luke-jr__> latency and bandwidth are seperate issues
07:26 <luke-jr__> bandwidth only affects latency once it is all used
07:26 <luke-jr__> the T1 my server is on has never been half used
07:27 <TitsnAss> lol ok
07:27 <luke-jr__> it's generally used between 0 and 5%
07:27 <luke-jr__> the majority of players have pings under 100 ms
07:28 <TitsnAss> in all countries?
07:28 <luke-jr__> I haven't done per-country statistics
07:28 <luke-jr__> Wizzee in Aussie has her usual 200 or 300 ms
07:28 <TitsnAss> rofl
07:28 <luke-jr__> which is still lower than her common 500 ms
07:28 <TitsnAss> thats kinda high
07:28 <TitsnAss> hahahahahahha
07:28 <TitsnAss> she should come to my server
07:29 <TitsnAss> see what she gets
07:29 <luke-jr__> probably the same
07:29 <luke-jr__> she only gets low ping on Aussie servers apparently
07:29 <luke-jr__> where everyone else gets high ping
07:29 <TitsnAss> lol
07:29 <TitsnAss> maybe she should try a different game :P
07:29 <luke-jr__> :p
07:29 <luke-jr__> she does pretty good for high ping
07:30 <TitsnAss> lol
07:30 <TitsnAss> quit tron
07:30 <TitsnAss> or move to america
07:30 <TitsnAss> lol
07:30 <luke-jr__> or increase Aussie popularity to have more Aussie players on the Aussie servers
07:30 <TitsnAss> rofl
07:32 <luke-jr__> also
07:32 <luke-jr__> hosting a server with me, you don't need to mess with compiling or files
07:33 <luke-jr__> I have a web interface to control and configure the server
07:33 <luke-jr__> =p
07:34 <TitsnAss> web interface?
07:34 <TitsnAss> show me a example online
07:34 <TitsnAss> of controlling us sty or somethign u host
07:37 <TitsnAss> anyone home?
07:37 <luke-jr__> US Sty is spidey's server
07:37 <luke-jr__> I just host it
07:38 <TitsnAss> oh
07:38 <TitsnAss> check ur pms
07:38 <TitsnAss> PM*
07:38 <TitsnAss> rofl
07:38 <luke-jr__> I have none
07:38 <TitsnAss> i sent like 50
07:38 <luke-jr__> Are you registered with FreeNode?
07:38 <TitsnAss> no
07:38 <luke-jr__> they don't let you send PMs then
07:38 <TitsnAss> ah
07:38 <TitsnAss> how can i register
07:38 <luke-jr__> /msg nickserv help register
07:39 <TitsnAss> type that here?
07:39 <luke-jr__> sure
07:39 <Vanhayes> #night
07:39 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
07:39 <luke-jr__> or PM nickserv 'help register'
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07:39 <TitsnAss> k
07:40 <TitsnAss> yo
07:40 <TitsnAss> did u just see my pm?
07:40 <luke-jr__> no
07:40 <TitsnAss> ah
07:40 <TitsnAss> crap
07:40 <luke-jr__> hold on
07:40 <luke-jr__> might be my fault too
07:41 <luke-jr__> I usually don't have 2 _s
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07:41 <Luke-Jr_> k try now
07:41 <TitsnAss> i did
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08:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: the default cockpit doesn't use math
08:20 <wrtlprnft> #morning
08:20 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Hanlon's Razor: || Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained || by stupidity.
08:20 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapperXXL
08:20 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey
08:20 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey hard
08:20 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey harder
08:20 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey as hard as possible
08:21 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey because he deserves it
08:21 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey out of an instinct
08:21 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey for the stat script
08:21 * SpideySlapperXXL slaps spidey one last time for now
08:21 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
08:22 <z-man> Micro-Announcement: I'll be on another one of those seminars. I can read and write on the forum, but there's no time for IRC or coding.
08:22 <wrtlprnft> :S
08:22 <z-man> Will be back wednesday evening.
08:22 <wrtlprnft> gonna derive tArray from std::deque this time? ;)
08:23 <z-man> vector :) No, no time for that.
08:25 <wrtlprnft> so you aren't on a remote island this time?
08:26 <z-man> no, it's again in biking distance. Bonn.
08:27 <wrtlprnft> ah
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> #g 20MB in bytes
08:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki is broke
08:30 <armabot> 20 megabytes = 20,971,520 bytes
08:30 <wrtlprnft> > MySQL functions missing, have you compiled PHP with the --with-mysql option?
08:32 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/1f98d1 <-- duh
08:32 * wrtlprnft would really prefer an #include "tGPL.h"
08:33 * Lucifer_arma is done offering suggestions
08:34 * Lucifer_arma is going to bring the sound engine to a certain milestone, and then reevaluate his involvement here.
08:34 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:34 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: I noticed
08:34 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: the end-of-round crash appears to only be local games?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> huh?
08:35 <wrtlprnft> for me it happens on all games with zones involved
08:35 <Luke-Jr_> it doesn't happen on CTWF for me
08:36 <wrtlprnft> does for me
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> weird
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> BTW
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> your test cockpit thing sucks
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> =p
08:36 <wrtlprnft> now i have to compile everything again because a comment changed
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> ROFL, I didn't even think of that
08:36 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml rocks!
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> no way, the map is in the way
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> and the bars are too big
08:36 <Luke-Jr_> I like having accel visible tho ;)
08:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: the map can be switched off using a cockpit key
08:37 <wrtlprnft> i have it off most of the time
08:37 <Luke-Jr_> it crashes with my BinaryOp split tValue tho
08:37 <Luke-Jr_> not sure why yet
08:38 <Luke-Jr_> I mean, I haven't implemented subtract multiply or divide yet... but that shouldn't CRASH
08:38 <wrtlprnft> and the huge rubbermeter is really effective
08:38 <Luke-Jr_> heh
08:38 <Luke-Jr_> tValue::Add was a PITA to implement
08:38 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is PITA
08:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: PITA: pain in the ass
08:38 <Luke-Jr_> mainly because you want to concatenate strings with it
08:39 <wrtlprnft> have fun with tValue::Subtract to remove one string from another
08:39 <Luke-Jr_> I don't think I'm going to implement subtract on strings =p
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08:39 <TitsnAss> yo
08:39 <Luke-Jr_> TitsnAss: hi
08:39 <Luke-Jr_> you disappeared
08:39 <TitsnAss> you wern't responding
08:39 <Luke-Jr_> ...
08:40 <TitsnAss> ah lets just talk here
08:40 <TitsnAss> lol
08:40 <Luke-Jr_> (06:32:33) hyphyleopard (TNA): k
08:40 <Luke-Jr_> (06:32:52) *** hyphyleopard (TNA) is Offline
08:40 <TitsnAss> weird..
08:40 <TitsnAss> lol
08:40 <Luke-Jr_> 1) no question to respond to 2) not enough time to respond
08:40 <TitsnAss> i said are you tehre
08:40 <TitsnAss> like 5 times
08:40 <TitsnAss> lol
08:42 <TitsnAss> yt?
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08:43 <Luke-Jr_> ...
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08:43 <Luke-Jr_> he must have connection issues
08:43 <Luke-Jr_> wb
08:43 <TitsnAss> yoo
08:43 <TitsnAss> mann something is weird
08:43 <TitsnAss> i need something
08:43 <Luke-Jr_> food?
08:43 <TitsnAss> the server costs
08:43 <Luke-Jr_> lol
08:43 <TitsnAss> i need individual costs
08:43 <TitsnAss> for hosting
08:43 <TitsnAss> armagetron
08:43 <TitsnAss> domain
08:43 <TitsnAss> and web
08:43 <Luke-Jr_> TitsnAss: PM
08:43 <TitsnAss> k
08:43 <TitsnAss> I pm'd you
08:43 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: you serious about string - string?
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> you need to put more on each line
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> instead of
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> typing just part of each
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> phrase
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> on separate
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> lines
08:44 <TitsnAss> why
08:44 <TitsnAss> its fun
08:44 <TitsnAss> like
08:44 <TitsnAss> this
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore Tit
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore TitsnAss
08:44 <TitsnAss> rofl
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> ah. Problem solved.
08:44 <TitsnAss> rof!
08:44 <TitsnAss> rolls
08:44 <TitsnAss> on floor
08:44 <TitsnAss> laughing
08:44 <TitsnAss> at
08:44 <TitsnAss> lucifer
08:44 <Luke-Jr_> lol
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08:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: no
08:45 <TitsnAss> ok
08:45 <TitsnAss> back
08:45 <TitsnAss> internet is being shitty today
08:45 <TitsnAss> luke check ur pm
08:45 <wrtlprnft> I think
08:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma
08:45 <wrtlprnft> has had
08:45 <wrtlprnft> a bad
08:45 <wrtlprnft> day
08:45 <wrtlprnft> today
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore wrtlprnft
08:45 <Luke-Jr_> lol
08:45 <wrtlprnft> :P
08:46 <TitsnAss> rofl
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I was working on my website, and I needed to restart apache, and that's when the updated apache/php got loaded
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> you told me about the wiki being broken literally seconds after I did that
08:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i was checking the recent changes
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> so php is recompiling, and I'm only slightly more annoyed than I was right before that
08:48 <wrtlprnft> and suddenly it stopped working
08:48 <TitsnAss> :<
08:48 <TitsnAss> i'm a devil
08:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey is a very aggressive person.
08:48 <wrtlprnft> Poor spidey, nobody likes him/her.
08:48 <TitsnAss> i hate spidey
08:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey wasn't very popular
08:48 <TitsnAss> more than god hates him
08:48 <TitsnAss> he was such a ass today
08:48 <wrtlprnft> as you can see a lot of people do
08:49 <TitsnAss> i want to chop his balls off and sell them to my pet cow
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> some day my mail server will work again, and email notifications from the wiki will be sent again
08:49 <TitsnAss> why are you guys such noobs
08:49 <TitsnAss> wiki interface sucks ass
08:49 <wrtlprnft> who needs email :P
08:50 <TitsnAss> create a site like this
08:50 <TitsnAss> teamlol.tk
08:50 <TitsnAss> <<made
08:50 <wrtlprnft> bah
08:51 <wrtlprnft> the wiki rocks for the reason that it's editable by everyone
08:51 <TitsnAss> editable is bad
08:51 <TitsnAss> people can post porn
08:51 * Lucifer_arma wonders if new users can register while the wiki can't send email
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> obviously they can't while php is recompiling
08:52 <wrtlprnft> TitsnAss: because everyone can edit it everyone can remove the porn again within minutes
08:53 <TitsnAss> but then the little kids like lucifer will be scarred for life
08:53 <wrtlprnft> gosh
08:53 <TitsnAss> with the ebony porn
08:53 <z-man> No little kid I ever saw was scared by porn :)
08:53 <TitsnAss> note to lucifer: do not google ebony porn
08:53 <wrtlprnft> we already killed most of the automated script
08:53 <TitsnAss> yeah because you live in germany
08:53 <TitsnAss> :D
08:53 <wrtlprnft> riight
08:53 <TitsnAss> isn't sex advertised tehre on street signs?
08:53 <TitsnAss> lol
08:54 <wrtlprnft> in the US a game that shows tits is immediately censored and made >18
08:54 <TitsnAss> i live in US
08:54 <TitsnAss> lol
08:54 <z-man> note to tna: lucifer can't hear you.
08:54 <z-man> aww, I'm off to the seminar. See you wednesday.
08:54 <TitsnAss> seeya
08:54 <wrtlprnft> but a game that's about running around killing people is no problem and playable by 12- year olds
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> later z-man
08:54 <wrtlprnft> cya
08:54 <TitsnAss> rofl
08:54 <TitsnAss> noo z-man
08:55 <TitsnAss> dont leave!
08:55 <wrtlprnft> not rofl, that's bad
08:55 <TitsnAss> we will all miss you
08:55 * Lucifer_arma really did put TitsnAss on his ignore list, and really did not put wrtlprnft on his ignore list
08:55 <TitsnAss> my 12 year old cousin plays halo 2
08:55 <TitsnAss> i dont think his parents care at lal
08:55 <wrtlprnft> thanks
08:56 <TitsnAss> what?
08:56 <wrtlprnft> TitsnAss: that's what i mean, but they would immediately care if it showed the back side of a woman for half a second
08:57 <TitsnAss> because killing people
08:57 <TitsnAss> is fake
08:57 <TitsnAss> no kid is going to run around shooting rockets launchers at the police
08:57 <TitsnAss> but grabbing a lady's ass is possible
08:57 <wrtlprnft> so running around killing people is better than making new babys? I see, a very direct approach to overpopulation
08:58 <wrtlprnft> running around with a gun and killing people happened often enough in the real word
08:58 <wrtlprnft> *world
08:58 <TitsnAss> not when the kids are too young
08:58 <TitsnAss> for that
08:58 <TitsnAss> and most younf kids are fat
08:58 <wrtlprnft> well
08:58 <TitsnAss> they wouldn't even be able to hold a shotgun
08:58 <wrtlprnft> they will grow older
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you start to understand why US foreign policy is so dependent on pointing guns at people
08:58 <TitsnAss> without it sinking into their arms
08:59 <TitsnAss> well... i got expelled in elementary school for pointing a tazer at a kid :P
08:59 <TitsnAss> but when i got in trouble i knew it was wrong
08:59 <wrtlprnft> so you say having fat kids is good because of that?
08:59 <TitsnAss> and that killing people in games is ok
08:59 <TitsnAss> but killing in real life is bad
08:59 <TitsnAss> nah fat kids are bad
08:59 <wrtlprnft> so
08:59 <wrtlprnft> so having sex in games is bad
08:59 <TitsnAss> but those are the ones
08:59 <TitsnAss> that are depressed alot
08:59 <TitsnAss> yes it is
08:59 <wrtlprnft> and having sex in real life is good
08:59 <wrtlprnft> ah
08:59 <TitsnAss> well maybe its not
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> not in america
09:00 <TitsnAss> make in russia
09:00 <TitsnAss> and germany
09:00 <TitsnAss> everything is ok
09:00 <TitsnAss> and CANADA! lol
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> in america, sex in real life is only good if you're not a christian, but not being a christian is fundamentally bad
09:00 <TitsnAss> yep
09:00 <TitsnAss> thats why i'm a christian
09:00 <wrtlprnft> so as a christian you think running around killing people is a good thing
09:01 <wrtlprnft> wow, I don't really get that
09:01 <TitsnAss> in a game it is
09:01 <TitsnAss> because games are virtual and fake
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> read the old testament, then
09:01 <TitsnAss> as a young adult i wouldn't do anything like that
09:01 <TitsnAss> i'm not psycho
09:01 <TitsnAss> if i was i wouldn't be here talking on irc chat
09:01 <TitsnAss> when i could be sticking up a ice cream store
09:01 <TitsnAss> with a water gun
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> wiki's back
09:02 <TitsnAss> k
09:02 <TitsnAss> that ugly hunk of junk
09:02 <wrtlprnft> so if you consider having sex a bad thing too, why is it a bad thing in video games
09:02 <TitsnAss> well i dont consider sex as a bad thing
09:02 <TitsnAss> its only bad for kids
09:02 <TitsnAss> because they dont understand the reponsibilities of it
09:02 <Luke-Jr_> it's bad for anyone outside of marriage
09:02 * Lucifer_arma is weird, he thinks having sex and killing are wonderful things and tries to do as much as both as possible
09:02 <Luke-Jr_> and very good within
09:02 <TitsnAss> and dont know what it means
09:03 <TitsnAss> lol
09:03 <wrtlprnft> the only possible reason i can see is that having sex in RL is way worse than running around in RL killing people
09:03 <TitsnAss> man your weird
09:03 <wrtlprnft> so that would be why running around in games killing people is still ok, but having sex is absolutely unacceptable
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> #g 20MB in bytes
09:03 <armabot> 20 megabytes = 20,971,520 bytes
09:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thanks for the wiki
09:04 <TitsnAss> lol
09:04 <Luke-Jr_> sex on the basis of consent is entrapment for males
09:04 <Luke-Jr_> which is one reason why it should be on the basis of marriage only
09:05 <wrtlprnft> anyways, there's enough cases of kids running amok in school with a gun
09:05 <Luke-Jr_> schools need gun classes
09:06 <Luke-Jr_> and they need to teach kids that it's ok to overthrow a corrupt government
09:06 <wrtlprnft> where's philippeqc if you need him? :S
09:06 <Luke-Jr_> not just ok, but their responsibility
09:07 <TitsnAss> LOL
09:07 <TitsnAss> ROFL
09:07 <TitsnAss> LMFAO
09:07 <wrtlprnft> well
09:07 <wrtlprnft> what about overthrowing their own country's corrupt government first?
09:07 <Luke-Jr_> TitsnAss: Lucifer_arma can't hear you; it's unfair to be mocking him like that behind his back
09:07 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: that's the point
09:07 <TitsnAss> sorry
09:07 <wrtlprnft> then caring about sucking oil out of other countries?
09:08 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: I was referring to ones own country =p
09:08 * TitsnAss loves mocking lucifer
09:08 <wrtlprnft> right
09:09 <wrtlprnft> if you're overthrowing your own country's government you can't just sit behind the TV and watch it
09:09 <wrtlprnft> if you're attacking another country you can do that
09:09 <Luke-Jr_> that's why they need classes on how to use guns
09:10 <Luke-Jr_> Shotguns 101, Rifles 201, Assassination 305
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> how do I find out available use flags for an installed package?
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> without shooting someone, that is
09:10 <Luke-Jr_> emerge -vp pkg
09:10 <wrtlprnft> identifying Bush 407
09:10 <TitsnAss> lucifer masturbates with cooking oil
09:10 <Luke-Jr_> Who's worse? Bush or Bush's maternal grandfather?
09:11 <TitsnAss> Lucifer is worse
09:11 <Luke-Jr_> he wasn't an option tho
09:11 <TitsnAss> because he masturbates with cooking oil
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> ah, nevermind, forgot the verbose flag
09:11 * wrtlprnft thinks all americans who think it's OK to run around the streets killing people should be shot
09:11 <Luke-Jr_> verbose is needed
09:11 * TitsnAss agrees that its ok to kill others
09:11 <TitsnAss> especially if they need to be shot
09:11 * Luke-Jr_ agrees that it's ok to kill heretics after giving them a fair trial
09:12 <Luke-Jr_> Who's worse? Bush or Bush's maternal grandfather?
09:12 <wrtlprnft> oh second, that wold eliminate the US police system
09:12 <TitsnAss> i think we need to swap every police car with a lamborghini
09:12 <TitsnAss> so we can catch criminals faster
09:12 <TitsnAss> and swap those little helicopters with fighter jets
09:12 <TitsnAss> so we can shoot every running black person
09:12 <TitsnAss> and explode their weed stash
09:12 <Luke-Jr_> :o
09:12 <wrtlprnft> enough
09:12 <TitsnAss> enough?
09:12 <wrtlprnft> /ignore TitsnAss
09:12 <TitsnAss> rofl
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09:13 <Luke-Jr_> TitsnAss: you shot z-man!
09:13 <wrtlprnft> ahh, so nice and quiet!
09:13 <Luke-Jr_> you jerk
09:13 <Luke-Jr_> ...
09:13 <Luke-Jr_> lol
09:13 <Luke-Jr_> SO... Who's worse? Bush or Bush's maternal grandfather?
09:13 * wrtlprnft watches Luke-Jr_ talking to himself
09:13 <Luke-Jr_> /ignore TitsnAss
09:14 <Luke-Jr_> lol
09:14 <wrtlprnft> guru3: /ban TitsnAss ;)
09:16 * Lucifer_arma notes that Doom comes from Texas
09:17 <guru3> ?
09:17 <guru3> lol @ doom
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/?q=node/8 <--- can you see any file downloads here?
09:24 <guru3> no
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> arg
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> drupal's neat until you want to use a file manager to manage downloads
09:38 <wrtlprnft> #seen philippeqc
09:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: philippeqc was last seen in #armagetron 19 hours, 3 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <philippeqc> mais ca n'empeche pas que je trouve ca poche quand le monde se donne des excuses pour justifier leur mediocrite.
09:39 <armabot> TitsnAss: I have not seen tit.
09:40 <armabot> TitsnAss: z-man was last seen in #armagetron 45 minutes and 38 seconds ago: <z-man> aww, I'm off to the seminar. See you wednesday.
09:40 <wrtlprnft> #ignore TitsnAss
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore TitsnAss
09:40 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore TitsnAss
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore TitsnAss
09:40 <wrtlprnft> #list admin
09:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
09:41 <armabot> TitsnAss: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add TitsnAss
09:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add TitsnAss
09:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
09:41 <wrtlprnft> ty
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> there :)
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:42 <TitsnAss> hi
09:42 <wrtlprnft> mean us
09:42 <TitsnAss> wadup
09:42 <TitsnAss> hi wrtl
09:42 <TitsnAss> can u see my text
09:42 <wrtlprnft> i can imagine he's probably protesting right now
09:42 <wrtlprnft> just we can't see it
09:43 <TitsnAss> UR A FAG
09:43 <TitsnAss> WRTL
09:43 <TitsnAss> VERY BIG FAG
09:43 <TitsnAss> #
09:43 <TitsnAss> #admin
09:43 <wrtlprnft> i can imagine he's insulting us quite a bit as well
09:44 <wrtlprnft> poor guy needs to grow up mentally
09:44 <TitsnAss> and you need to grow up penally
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> he's like 18,19, somewhere around there
09:45 <TitsnAss> :<
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> small town in southern california, iirc.
09:46 <TitsnAss> pleasanton california
09:46 <TitsnAss> and its not southern
09:46 <TitsnAss> its western
09:46 <wrtlprnft> well, even if he was 35 he could still be a 12- year old AOLer in his mind
09:46 <wrtlprnft> probably is too
09:46 <TitsnAss> the west side
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, just pumped up full of hormones with the worldly experience of a cricket is all
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> which, come to think of it, describes a 12yo aoler
09:47 <wrtlprnft> :D
09:48 <TitsnAss> :>
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> does dcron not run the cronjobs in cron.daily, cron.hourly, etc?
09:52 <wrtlprnft> dcron?!
09:52 <wrtlprnft> my crond runs jobs in /etc/cron.daily
09:53 <wrtlprnft> i use that for backups, so i know it works
09:53 <Luke-Jr_> yay vixie-cron
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> which cron daemon did you install?
09:54 <Luke-Jr_> IIRC, vixie-cron is the only cron that works with non-24/7 systems
09:54 <TitsnAss> :P
09:54 <TitsnAss> hi
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha, nvm, figured out why it's not running my cron jobs
09:55 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r9 USE="pam -debug" 0 kB
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's what I put on my laptop, but for some reason I put dcron on my server
09:56 <TitsnAss> :P
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I just read /etc/crontab and found out I need to make it root's crontab :)
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> so maybe my hourly jobs will finally run
09:56 <Luke-Jr_> lol
09:57 <TitsnAss> my baloney has a first name
09:57 <TitsnAss> doooda dooda
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11:22 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
11:22 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft again
11:22 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft again just for the hell of it
11:22 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft just cause
11:22 * spidey smacks wrtlprnft
11:22 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft because he smells
11:39 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
11:39 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey for revenge
11:40 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey to see him run a way
11:40 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey to see him run a way
11:40 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
11:40 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey to see him tell his mother about it
11:40 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft because he can
11:40 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because he sucks ass on tron
11:40 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft just for fun
11:40 <spidey> ;x
11:40 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because he wants spidey to stay on top of the slap stats as he deserves
11:40 <spidey> now stop before i notice the shit out of you
11:40 <SpideySlapper> ?
11:40 <spidey> and you can't ignore notice's ;x
11:41 <SpideySlapper> sure i can
11:41 <spidey> nah
11:41 <SpideySlapper> i can just ignore the whole notice window
11:41 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey again because he's an idiot
11:41 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> yay, quote generator works again. Contact form, my site's coming back together finally.
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12:27 <spidey_> mkzelda, ?
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12:59 <wrtlprnft> #seen philippeqc
12:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: philippeqc was last seen in #armagetron 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <philippeqc> mais ca n'empeche pas que je trouve ca poche quand le monde se donne des excuses pour justifier leur mediocrite.
13:00 <wrtlprnft> exactly when you need him he's not there :s
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13:30 <DrJoeTron> E3 cancelled "D
13:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: the gamma server has a) a typo in its description and b) single player mode against AIs is somewhat boring as you win the match by killing one AI
14:15 <DrJoeTron> shit, lobster tub went down
14:17 <spidey_> owned
14:17 <spidey_> ;x
14:17 <spidey_> mkzelda!
14:17 <spidey_> reset my password if you're logged into psybnc
14:17 <spidey_> lol
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14:22 <spidey> nvm
14:22 <spidey> i got it
14:27 <DrJoeTron> spidey smell
14:29 <spidey> man
14:30 <spidey> at 8am some tech support is gonna get bitched at
14:30 <spidey> #time
14:30 <armabot> spidey: 07:32 AM, July 31, 2006
14:31 <spidey> and not like before >.<
14:31 <spidey> this shit's past old
14:31 <spidey> i can't even connect to a game without timing out and freezing
14:32 <DrJoeTron> your modem just drops?
14:32 <DrJoeTron> speaking of game
14:32 <spidey> no
14:32 <DrJoeTron> dl hl2 demo?
14:32 <spidey> modem doesn't drop
14:32 <spidey> i timeout
14:32 <spidey> and the game freezes
14:32 <spidey> tron does
14:32 <spidey> halo does it
14:32 <spidey> subspace does it
14:33 <spidey> and i'm pissed >.<
14:33 <DrJoeTron> firewall?
14:33 <spidey> no?
14:33 <spidey> firewalls are gay
14:33 <spidey> and useless
14:33 <DrJoeTron> yeah...completely...
14:33 <spidey> besides
14:33 <spidey> a firewall wouldn't block me from connecting to a server
14:33 <spidey> just someone connecting to a server i run
14:34 <DrJoeTron> i couldnt connect to any servers when i had a firewall up
14:34 <DrJoeTron> untill i freed the ports
14:34 <spidey> well,i don't run a firewall
14:34 <spidey> not even the windows firewall
14:34 <DrJoeTron> that shits useless
14:34 <spidey> yeah...completely...
14:35 <DrJoeTron> ones on routers have a firewall
14:35 <DrJoeTron> erm
14:35 <spidey> that's a hardware firewall
14:35 <spidey> and they DON'T block you from connecting to something
14:35 <DrJoeTron> they did with me
14:35 <spidey> well yours was gay
14:35 <DrJoeTron> is*
14:35 <spidey> i've had the same router for months
14:36 <spidey> never had a connection problem
14:36 <spidey> so
14:36 <DrJoeTron> wow, how time flies
14:36 <DrJoeTron> :p
14:36 <spidey> my isp sucks ass
14:36 <DrJoeTron> did you download hl2 demo?
14:37 <spidey> it wouldn't matter i can't connect to a server
14:37 <DrJoeTron> you connected to this :p
14:37 <spidey> i mean a gameserver
14:37 <spidey> and this isn't what i connected to
14:37 <DrJoeTron> you accessing a download server
14:37 <spidey> i connected to psybnc
14:37 <DrJoeTron> huh
14:37 <spidey> which is always online
14:37 <spidey> do this
14:37 <spidey> /whois spidey
14:37 <spidey> it'll say spidey@mentally.humped.org
14:38 <spidey> that's a vhost i get from the psybnc
14:38 <DrJoeTron> ha
14:38 <spidey> i'ma try this one more time
14:39 <spidey> then wait till 8 am
14:39 <spidey> >.<
14:39 <spidey> wtf
14:39 <spidey> it connected
14:39 <spidey> but i have a 426 ping
14:39 <spidey> gay
14:40 <DrJoeTron> reset the modem?
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14:47 <spidey> hah
14:48 <spidey> hahahahahha
14:48 <spidey> now i'm laughing
14:48 <spidey> i don't think i'll bitch at my isp
14:48 <spidey> tna just made my day
14:48 <spidey> also
14:48 <spidey> he sucks at being a server admin
14:48 <DrJoeTron> he is paying for the server :p
14:48 <spidey> now i can expect some little kiddie attacks from this lol guy
14:48 <spidey> ihaa or whatever his name is
14:49 <spidey> point is? i pay for my servers to...
14:49 <DrJoeTron> ...you do?
14:49 <spidey> that doesn't mean you admin kill people just to win
14:49 <spidey> syes i pay for one from luke and my webserver
14:49 <spidey> that's 2
14:49 <DrJoeTron> ask to be admin, then ban him :p!
14:49 <spidey> haha
14:49 <spidey> i'ma check my router logs
14:50 <spidey> if i get dos'd i'ma be pissed
14:50 <spidey> isn't like my connection doesn't suck enough
14:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr_
14:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr_, ping
14:59 <spidey> brb mac clone ;x
15:01 <spidey> ok
15:01 <spidey> back
15:01 <spidey> :D
15:01 <DrJoeTron> i wanna know where the tits server is
15:01 <DrJoeTron> because i have 30 ping
15:01 <spidey> i have a 69 ping
15:02 <spidey> 59*
15:02 <spidey> are you project 2501?
15:02 <DrJoeTron> i was gibbons
15:02 <spidey> "NiceTry"
15:02 <spidey> ;x
15:07 <spidey> see what i mean by shitty admin
15:08 <spidey> now i switch over to my onboard nic and macclone again
15:09 <spidey> ok
15:09 <spidey> i'm "owned" ;x
15:10 <DrJoeTron> eh, i started getting disgusted
15:10 <DrJoeTron> its just one big circle jerk
15:10 <spidey> i dare that ihaa guy to try something
15:10 <spidey> :)
15:11 <spidey> it'll be the last thing he does
15:11 <spidey> then he'll be blacklisted from every isp in his area
15:11 <spidey> AFTER
15:11 <spidey> i have fun with him
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15:15 <spidey> ya disgusted isn't the word for it :>
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15:22 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:22 <DrJoeTron> oh man
15:22 <DrJoeTron> i love these shmucks
15:22 <DrJoeTron> you wonder why I made a server
15:24 <DrJoeTron> this honey green tea is kind of gross
15:24 <DrJoeTron> but i keep comming back for more
15:26 <spidey> lol
15:33 <DrJoeTron> i gotta go and register for school sometime today
15:33 <DrJoeTron> probably before temps reach 100
15:36 <DrJoeTron> man
15:36 <DrJoeTron> tit has always been borderline cool
15:36 <DrJoeTron> he has his moments at being not too bad
15:36 <DrJoeTron> then he has his moments of total douche baggery
15:38 <DrJoeTron> i'll leave in like 40 mn
15:46 <spidey> ?
15:46 <spidey> i'm busy
15:46 <spidey> shhh
15:47 <spidey> it's funny
15:47 * DrJoeTron smacks spidey
15:47 <spidey> tna wants to join sp
15:47 <spidey> then joins lol
15:47 <spidey> which is 10x worse
15:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:47 <spidey> one being a name "lots of love"
15:47 <spidey> wtf?
15:47 <spidey> another
15:47 <spidey> now he hates ALL clans
15:47 <spidey> and sucks at modding/admining
15:47 <spidey> ;x
15:48 <DrJoeTron> im the one to blame
15:48 <spidey> ?
15:48 <DrJoeTron> i told him how to admin kill
15:48 <spidey> i think i hate you now
15:48 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know he was in a clan yet,
15:48 <DrJoeTron> and i remember him being alright!
15:48 <DrJoeTron> not like this!
15:48 <spidey> well
15:48 <spidey> that serve
15:48 <spidey> server
15:48 <DrJoeTron> this was before that
15:48 <spidey> will have NO users
15:49 <spidey> as long as he mods it like that
15:49 <DrJoeTron> they wanted me to be in lol :p
15:49 <spidey> they wanted me to be in it to
15:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:49 <spidey> sp wanted me to be in there clan
15:49 <spidey> i told 'em hell no ;x
15:49 * DrJoeTron throws up his hand, waiting for a high five
15:49 * DrJoeTron Stupid Smile Thumbs Up!
15:49 <spidey> you said it
15:50 <spidey> lol is a big circle of jerks
15:50 <spidey> tna = lol
15:50 <spidey> so...
15:50 <spidey> ;x
15:50 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:50 <DrJoeTron> "dude, you see those hotpics i sent ya"
15:50 <DrJoeTron> what the fuck guys
15:50 <DrJoeTron> no pron on tron
15:50 <spidey> lol
15:50 <spidey> tna said
15:50 <spidey> tron wouldn't be shit if he hadn't invented double binding
15:51 <spidey> sad to say if he didn't someone else would have figured it out
15:51 <wrtlprnft> tna = jerk
15:51 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:51 <DrJoeTron> way to plague the world
15:51 <spidey> seriously
15:51 <spidey> and he said he could own me ;x
15:51 <DrJoeTron> yeah he's turning into one alright
15:51 <DrJoeTron> and see tahts the thing
15:51 <spidey> this was while my ping was 400+
15:51 <DrJoeTron> i dont remember him being this way
15:51 <spidey> and i still killed him
15:52 <spidey> well
15:52 <DrJoeTron> i mean
15:52 <spidey> he's picking the wrong person to fuck with
15:52 <DrJoeTron> he did have beefs with people
15:52 <spidey> because i do go a little out of my way to do something ;)
15:52 <DrJoeTron> and they were like little people
15:52 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:52 <spidey> example
15:52 <spidey> hold on
15:53 <spidey> this is a halo clan
15:53 <spidey> fucked with me
15:53 <DrJoeTron> he just kisses up to me now because i moderate 6 servers :p
15:53 <spidey> wanna make that 8?
15:53 <spidey> ;x
15:54 <DrJoeTron> hahaha if you really want to
15:54 <spidey> so far mkzelda, manta, lizz, Vanhayes , and wrtlprnft have the password
15:55 <spidey> pm me
15:55 <spidey> ;D
15:55 <DrJoeTron> haha thanks, i appreciate it
15:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm
15:56 <DrJoeTron> slopok found out the password for my server :/
15:56 <DrJoeTron> not that thats really bad
15:56 <spidey> lol
15:56 <DrJoeTron> well he didnt find it, as so much as invader friggin told him the password
15:56 <spidey> haha
15:56 <spidey> did you get the pm?
15:56 <DrJoeTron> yeah i did
15:57 <spidey> respond :p
15:57 <DrJoeTron> i did
15:57 <DrJoeTron> twice
15:57 <spidey> identify
15:57 <spidey> /msg nickserv identify password
15:58 <DrJoeTron> doesnt and hasnt worked
15:58 <DrJoeTron> for me
15:58 <spidey> hmm
15:58 <DrJoeTron> i got your message, feel free to speak
15:59 <wrtlprnft> spidey: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
15:59 <DrJoeTron> alright
15:59 <spidey> hmm
15:59 <spidey> k
15:59 <spidey> respond to the pm
16:00 <DrJoeTron> ko
16:01 <DrJoeTron> i went to the county fair last night
16:01 <DrJoeTron> demolition derby :D
16:01 <DrJoeTron> the way tron should be
16:01 <spidey> haha
16:01 <spidey> well
16:01 <DrJoeTron> so many fires
16:01 <spidey> set a cycle width
16:01 <spidey> no tails
16:01 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:01 <spidey> low rubber
16:02 <spidey> shouldn't that work?
16:02 <DrJoeTron> wouldnt be the same
16:02 <DrJoeTron> wait
16:02 <spidey> wrtlprnft, would that work?
16:02 <DrJoeTron> i remember tit having good servers
16:02 <DrJoeTron> i wanna know what happened
16:02 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i guess so
16:02 <spidey> maybe
16:03 <spidey> but now he's a asshole
16:03 <spidey> so i don't like him
16:03 <spidey> ;x
16:03 <DrJoeTron> he was the chosen one!
16:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah he's becomming one
16:03 <DrJoeTron> i like to keep neutrality :a
16:04 <wrtlprnft> that's all because of lol
16:04 <DrJoeTron> we need like an intervention
16:04 <wrtlprnft> lod and lod and whatever they're called
16:04 <DrJoeTron> lots of love apparently
16:04 <wrtlprnft> *lod and lol
16:04 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
16:04 <DrJoeTron> lod
16:04 <DrJoeTron> clanitis
16:05 <spidey> ady isn't that bad
16:05 <DrJoeTron> :P
16:05 <spidey> he just sucks at running tournies
16:05 <DrJoeTron> ady is kind of retarded
16:05 <DrJoeTron> haha now i know whatthe irc channel is
16:05 <DrJoeTron> the tron gossip line :D
16:05 <spidey> me to
16:05 <spidey> goto it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> he writes in red all the time, i hate that
16:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:06 <DrJoeTron> they will leave soon
16:06 <DrJoeTron> dont worry boys "d
16:06 <spidey> lol
16:06 <DrJoeTron> i remember one kid said to me he would get me banned from armagetron in one week
16:06 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:06 <DrJoeTron> and especially on the lobster cage
16:06 <wrtlprnft> O_o
16:07 <spidey> so far the only clan i don't dislike is mbc
16:07 <DrJoeTron> he would tell the admins that i cheat
16:07 <spidey> and they have there downsides
16:07 <spidey> like 45 fucking rubber
16:07 <DrJoeTron> its 45 now
16:07 <DrJoeTron> ?
16:07 <wrtlprnft> 45 already?
16:07 <spidey> ya
16:07 <spidey> micro won't listen
16:07 <DrJoeTron> jesus
16:07 <spidey> he keeps raising it
16:07 <wrtlprnft> they're like increasing it by like 3 metres per month
16:07 <spidey> i even sugested raising cycle_ping_rubber and lowering actual rubber
16:07 <spidey> but nooooo
16:08 <wrtlprnft> s/by/at a rate of
16:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: high- ping players already have an advantage
16:08 <DrJoeTron> :D
16:08 <wrtlprnft> instant kill future wall bug
16:08 <spidey> lol
16:09 <spidey> well
16:09 <spidey> it's sad when
16:09 <DrJoeTron> oh man
16:09 * wrtlprnft remembers the good days where MBC had 23 rubber
16:09 <spidey> i can get out of traps that should be impossible
16:09 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i remember mbc when it had 15 rubbe
16:09 <DrJoeTron> yeah i hate high rubber
16:09 <spidey> rubber
16:09 <spidey> 1 year ago
16:09 <DrJoeTron> see, that sounds at least kind of fun
16:09 <spidey> ya
16:09 <spidey> it was then
16:09 <DrJoeTron> i would stay for at least a match
16:09 <DrJoeTron> most*
16:10 <wrtlprnft> 45 meters!
16:10 <spidey> now it's bugs and "who can hump the wall the best"
16:10 <wrtlprnft> a lot of brake too
16:11 <spidey> oh
16:11 <spidey> check the settings thread
16:11 <spidey> in the clan forum
16:12 <spidey> so far most of the active people agree the rubber is to high
16:12 <DrJoeTron> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/07/26 "D
16:12 <spidey> put something in
16:12 <spidey> so we have more peopele
16:12 <spidey> :D
16:12 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm not playing in there a lot
16:12 <spidey> so
16:13 <spidey> the more the marrier >.<
16:13 <spidey> my isp sucks so i didn't really get to die from bugs,more like sliding into peoples walls >.< for people always complaining i think they're just scared to actually try anymore (sorry to say if it's anyone in the clan) but it's true.....they can't say that because the rubber is lower they can't play, for one because i remember mbc back when it was only 20 rubber i think it was even lower than that but not sure( i have bad memory >.<) but i agree
16:13 <spidey> ith wizz 45 is way to high
16:13 <spidey> i say that ^^
16:13 <DrJoeTron> dont any of you have admin rights to mbc?
16:13 <wrtlprnft> no
16:14 <DrJoeTron> hi-c
16:14 <wrtlprnft> wizzee, fireball, ota, bone have, but they only use it for kicking etc
16:14 <wrtlprnft> micro is the only one that changes settings
16:14 <wrtlprnft> great
16:14 <wrtlprnft> what a stupid theme these forums have
16:14 <wrtlprnft> and broken they are
16:15 <spidey> lol
16:15 <wrtlprnft> woo
16:15 <wrtlprnft> he changed it to 42 it seems!
16:15 <spidey> I did lower the rubber to 41 last night... is it any better than 45, Wizz?
16:15 <spidey> and brakes are at 72, speed and start speed at 28, which is slower
16:15 <spidey> than before...
16:15 <spidey> also wall_near is changed from 4 to 9, which changes things a bit too.
16:15 <spidey> yes he just posted
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16:16 <spidey> 45 to 41 is nothing
16:16 <spidey> that's what
16:16 <spidey> 4
16:16 <spidey> ;x
16:18 <wrtlprnft> i'd like another idea
16:18 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_RUBBER 300 or something
16:18 <DrJoeTron> sweet
16:18 <DrJoeTron> way to go meriton!
16:18 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME 100000
16:18 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=79311&sid=1a37d6094921919371e0117b904d7e6a#79311
16:19 <wrtlprnft> so the rubber doesn't refill
16:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i saw
16:19 <wrtlprnft> it
16:19 <wrtlprnft> I guess I'll integrate it, but the current trunk isn't playable and ph seems to be away
16:19 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig wall_near
16:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_WALL_NEAR: Maximum accelerating wall distance
16:20 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:23 <spidey> can you cuss on the forums?
16:23 <spidey> lol
16:26 <DrJoeTron> to an extent
16:26 <DrJoeTron> if its bad it gets filtered
16:27 <spidey> k
16:28 <spidey> cuase i couldn't think of another way to word "asshole"
16:28 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:29 <wrtlprnft> if some word, say "tree" gets filtered
16:29 <wrtlprnft> you just write tr[b][/b]ee
16:29 <spidey> lol
16:30 <DrJoeTron> bung hole?
16:30 <wrtlprnft> well
16:30 <wrtlprnft> it works with all phpBBs
16:31 <DrJoeTron> what about cock block
16:31 <DrJoeTron> cant go wrong there
16:32 <spidey> lol
16:32 <wrtlprnft> woo
16:32 <wrtlprnft> i just wrote a post with 4 words
16:32 <wrtlprnft> 4 being "assholes"
16:32 <wrtlprnft> err
16:32 <wrtlprnft> 2
16:32 <wrtlprnft> 2 of 4 words are "assholes"
16:32 <DrJoeTron> haha, you made my term "circle jerk" seem more pleasent
16:33 <DrJoeTron> mine had a more graphic impliment
16:33 <spidey> ;D
16:33 <DrJoeTron> seriously they are!
16:33 <DrJoeTron> all the do is compliment each other and just "dude u pwn, dude i pwn, TEAM LOL!
16:34 <spidey> well
16:34 <DrJoeTron> "d00d how i type clor?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:34 <spidey> i've owned most of sp at one time
16:34 <spidey> lol isn't any different :D
16:34 <wrtlprnft> does anyone in here know how i cat two files horizontally?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> not a clue
16:34 <spidey> hmm
16:34 <wrtlprnft> so if one file contains the lines "a" and "b"
16:34 <wrtlprnft> and the other one contains "c" and "d"
16:35 <wrtlprnft> the result are two lines "ac" and ""bd
16:35 <DrJoeTron> alright im gonna see about registration and placement tests for school
16:35 <DrJoeTron> have a good one guys.
16:35 <wrtlprnft> cya
16:36 <spidey> hmm
16:36 <spidey> cat -a file1 file2 ?
16:36 <wrtlprnft> uh
16:36 <wrtlprnft> the manpage doesn't list a -a
16:36 <wrtlprnft> cat: invalid option -- a
16:42 <spidey> well
16:42 <spidey> cat -A file1 file2
16:42 <spidey> i made cerial
16:42 <spidey> ;D
16:44 <wrtlprnft> #armacthanks
16:44 <wrtlprnft> err, thanks
16:44 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig CYCLE_RUBBER
16:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: (11 more messages)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> note the new default field :)
16:45 <wrtlprnft> now i'd just need a way to parse the comments in settings.cfg and group them with the settings they belong to
17:02 -!- omega_pm [n=omega_pm@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #armagetron
17:02 <omega_pm> Hi
17:04 <omega_pm> Never thought this channel would exist, until now...
17:10 <wrtlprnft> well
17:10 <wrtlprnft> it does
17:10 <wrtlprnft> for 463 days now
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17:30 <Lizz> hi guys
17:32 <wrtlprnft> hi Lizz
17:32 <DrJoeTron> word
17:32 <DrJoeTron> :D
17:32 <Lizz> hiya wrt n joe
17:32 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
17:32 <Lizz> wrt?? can u plz can tell me the best setting so bugs dont appear as much?
17:33 <Lizz> settings*
17:33 <wrtlprnft> low rubber.
17:33 <Lizz> and?
17:33 <wrtlprnft> that's the biggest bug source
17:33 <DrJoeTron> man!
17:33 <wrtlprnft> well, a cycle_delay >0
17:34 <Lizz> wrt...... can u plz post that for me?
17:34 <wrtlprnft> but that's on mbc anyways
17:34 <wrtlprnft> well, i can post that high rubber induces bugs if that helps
17:34 <Lizz> in clan forum in the thread changes to server settings?
17:34 <Lizz> plz do
17:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:35 <Lizz> plz tell us what makes bugs worse
17:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey urged me already to do that
17:35 <Lizz> good
17:35 * Lizz luvs spider
17:35 <Lizz> i instakill ppl all the time.. rubber is too high imo.. plus when its so high i slide
17:36 <spidey> dude
17:36 <spidey> there's not point
17:36 <spidey> none at all
17:36 <spidey> he's not going to listen
17:36 <Lizz> yet. ppl want it higher than what it is now :/
17:36 <spidey> i've explained it alot
17:36 <Lizz> i kno
17:36 <spidey> there's no need to continue
17:36 <spidey> fuck people
17:36 <spidey> they're just lazy
17:37 <spidey> because they'll actually have to try
17:37 <Lizz> ur prolly right.. ill give up
17:37 <Lizz> ya thats true
17:37 <wrtlprnft> I would vote for having CYCLE_RUBBER set to 300 and CYCLE_RUBBER_TIME to something huge like 100000
17:37 <wrtlprnft> that would make the rubber refill real slow
17:37 <wrtlprnft> so you have to be careful when you use it
17:38 <spidey> well
17:38 <spidey> that won't happen
17:38 <spidey> incase you haven't seen
17:38 <Lizz> agrees
17:38 <spidey> it won't drop below 45
17:38 <Lizz> >.<
17:38 * spidey goes back to working on the fa site
17:39 <Lizz> he dropped it
17:39 <spidey> 41=38 isn't a drop
17:39 <spidey> it's more like a tease
17:39 <Lizz> i kno...........
17:39 <Lizz> ur right.. ill give up
17:39 <Lizz> thx anyway wrt
17:39 <wrtlprnft> well, I'll post anyways
17:40 <spidey> waisting time ;x
17:40 <Lizz> ok ty
17:40 <wrtlprnft> I'll refer to the post where z-man describes the way the bug could be fixed in coding
17:40 <Lizz> that would be good
17:40 <wrtlprnft> be aware it's a huge change and will take a looong time to complete
17:40 -!- linuxlizzard [n=linuxl@ip68-0-231-217.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #Armagetron
17:40 <Lizz> ty wrt
17:40 <spidey> don't do that >.<
17:40 <Lizz> hi
17:41 <spidey> it'll make him stick to the idea of raising the rubber till it's fixed
17:41 <linuxlizzard> hello
17:41 <spidey> btw
17:41 <spidey> we're not talking about the instant kill bug
17:41 <spidey> well we was
17:42 <Lizz> i was :P
17:42 <spidey> but the bigger picture is the high rubber
17:42 <wrtlprnft> there's another bug?
17:42 <spidey> no matter the rubber settings it's still gonna instant kill
17:42 <wrtlprnft> i know
17:42 <spidey> it happens to me on fortress alot
17:42 <spidey> yes there's wall bugs
17:42 <wrtlprnft> but it's less notable
17:42 <spidey> teleport bugs
17:42 <Lizz> but dosent lower rubber ease it a bit?
17:42 <spidey> not really
17:42 <wrtlprnft> teleport bugs are usually lag induced thingies
17:42 <Lizz> hmm
17:43 <spidey> i have a 67 ping
17:43 <spidey> and don't lag during daytime
17:43 <spidey> not even on bugfarm
17:43 <spidey> only at night and when it rains
17:43 <DrJoeTron> lizzard you commin in or no
17:43 <linuxlizzard> sure sure
17:43 <DrJoeTron> :)
17:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft, the bugs we mean are
17:43 <spidey> grinding the wall
17:43 <spidey> then sticking there and dying
17:44 * Lizz slaps joe with a sausage
17:44 <spidey> grinding a wall then getting thrown the other way
17:44 <spidey> and dying
17:44 <Lizz> ya ya arac
17:44 <spidey> these didn't happen the first time he lowered it
17:44 <spidey> which he lowered to something under 30
17:44 <wrtlprnft> those might be floating point errors
17:45 <Lizz> would like rubber at 25
17:45 <spidey> i was letting wrtl know :p
17:45 <Lizz> or less
17:45 <Lizz> anyway not my server.. thx wrt.. post if ud like tho :)
17:46 <spidey> waist of time :D
17:46 <Lizz> waste* :P
17:46 <spidey> #check waist
17:46 <armabot> spidey: "waist" may be spelled correctly.
17:46 <spidey> :)
17:46 -!- Niii [n=Niii@lnr56-1-82-246-48-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:46 <Lizz> waist = the one on ur body
17:46 <spidey> so!
17:46 <spidey> #check waste
17:46 <armabot> spidey: Error: The spell command timed out.
17:47 <spidey> O.o
17:47 <spidey> #check waste
17:47 <armabot> spidey: "waste" may be spelled correctly.
17:47 <Lizz> heh
17:47 <spidey> #help check
17:47 <armabot> spidey: (check <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "unix spell $*".
17:47 <spidey> #list unix
17:47 <armabot> spidey: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
17:47 <Lizz> bbl thx guys
17:47 <spidey> #progstats
17:47 <armabot> spidey: Process ID 5670 running as user "supybot" and as group "100" from directory "/home/supybot" with the command line "/usr/bin/supybot /home/supybot/ircstuff/armabot.conf". Running on Python 2.4.3 (#1, Jul 10 2006, 15:57:08) [GCC 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)].
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17:47 <spidey> O.o
17:47 <spidey> #errno
17:47 <armabot> spidey: (errno <error number or code>) -- Returns the number of an errno code, or the errno code of a number.
17:48 <spidey> #errno 1
17:48 <armabot> spidey: EPERM (#1): Operation not permitted
17:48 <spidey> #errno 2
17:48 <armabot> spidey: ENOENT (#2): No such file or directory
17:48 <spidey> hmm
17:48 <omega_pm> #errno 3
17:48 <armabot> omega_pm: ESRCH (#3): No such process
17:48 <omega_pm> :P
17:48 <spidey> #wtf is omega
17:48 <armabot> spidey: omega: nothing appropriate
17:48 <omega_pm> lol
17:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig lagometer
17:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
17:49 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig lag_o_meter
17:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: LAG_O_METER: Draw Lag-O-Meter in network play (default: 1) || LAG_O_METER_SCALE: Scale of the Lag-O-Meter. 1.0 is the "correct" value, older clients were hardcoded to .5 due to a bug. (default: 1)
17:49 <omega_pm> Some know me as mathot|mbc|
17:50 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:50 * spidey slaps mat
17:50 <omega_pm> I just got here by coincidence
17:50 <omega_pm> s :-D
17:52 <wrtlprnft> there's 12 sticky topics on the mbc forums?!
17:52 <wrtlprnft> *clan forums
17:52 <wrtlprnft> wow
17:52 <linuxlizzard> lets see if arma has this
17:52 <wrtlprnft> sticky/announcement
17:52 <omega_pm> Is this channel targetted at arma server admins? Or mods? Or just anyone that plays arma?
17:52 <linuxlizzard> my robolizard does XD
17:52 <linuxlizzard> ;roulette
17:52 <wrtlprnft> omega_pm: anyone
17:52 <linuxlizzard> erm
17:52 <linuxlizzard> #roulette
17:52 <armabot> linuxlizzard: *click*
17:52 <linuxlizzard> yes :)
17:52 <wrtlprnft> though we do a lot of dev talk here
17:52 <omega_pm> ok ty wrtl :-)
17:52 <wrtlprnft> you'
17:52 <wrtlprnft> re welcome in here of course
17:53 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
17:53 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft again
17:53 <omega_pm> lol
17:53 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft because he can
17:53 <spidey> :D
17:53 <wrtlprnft> ...
17:53 <spidey> #google McSpiddles
17:53 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.30 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
17:54 <wrtlprnft> I need a script that renames myself to SpideySlapper, slaps spidey ~6 times, renames back to wrtlprnft and identifies to nickserv again
17:54 <spidey> O.o
17:54 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
17:54 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey
17:54 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey to keep him on top of the stats
17:54 <omega_pm> :-D
17:54 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because he deserves it
17:54 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey because he is annoying very often
17:54 <spidey> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 71 times.
17:54 <spidey> For example, like this:
17:54 <spidey> * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
17:54 * SpideySlapper slaps spidey just for the pleasure of it
17:55 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
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17:55 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft because he slapped him
17:55 * spidey slaps wrtlprnft again for the same reason
17:55 <spidey> ;x
17:55 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig rubber_mind
17:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE: The minimal distance rubber code keeps you from the wall in front of you (default: 0.001) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_LEGACY: Extra factor for minimal distance to walls enforced by the rubber code, active when peers with the rip bug are connected (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE differs (4 more messages)
17:56 <wrtlprnft> #more
17:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_PREPARATION: Timescale in seconds a cycle's last turn time is compared with to determine the effect of CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_UNPREPARED. (default: 0.2) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_PREPARATION_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_PREPARATION differs from its default? (default: 3) || (3 more messages)
17:56 <spidey> gimme a ribbit!
17:56 <mkzelda> and then i hate that wrtl guy cause he's always has to be gold, and whats with that name?!
17:56 * omega_pm forgot how to rename and such.
17:56 <omega_pm> Is there some special help channel available maybe?
17:57 <mkzelda> oh, sorry wrong window
17:57 <mkzelda> :D
17:57 <spidey> hahah
17:57 <wrtlprnft> #google freenode faq
17:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.74 seconds: freenode : frequently-asked questions: <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml>; Buy a piece of Net nostalgia for $5000 | The Register: <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net/>; #debian FAQ Wiki: <http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/>; Project info for freenode: <http://www.advogato.org/proj/freenode/>; Documentation for those whom Drupal (2 more messages)
17:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, for renaming: /nick
17:58 <omega_pm> thanx wrtl,
17:58 <mkzelda> omega_pm, special help... for tron or in a shortbus kind of way?
17:58 -!- spidey is now known as wrtlprnft2
17:58 * mkzelda rides the short bus
17:58 <omega_pm> mkzelda: I meant irc in general
17:58 <wrtlprnft2> rename to wrtlprnft
17:58 <wrtlprnft2> ;D
17:59 <mkzelda> ya, #freenode prolly god
17:59 <mkzelda> god
17:59 <mkzelda> good
17:59 <mkzelda> stupid wireless keyboard
17:59 <omega_pm> ty :-D
17:59 -!- wrtlprnft2 is now known as wrtIprnft
17:59 <wrtIprnft> ;x
17:59 <wrtlprnft> wrtIprnft: try wrtlprnft_
18:00 -!- mkzelda is now known as wrtlqrnft
18:01 <wrtlprnft> i'm actually in here as wrtlprnft_ sometimes, so that's the best way to imposter me
18:02 -!- wrtlqrnft is now known as vvrtlprnft
18:02 <vvrtlprnft> im annoying all my other channels :D
18:03 -!- omega_pm is now known as mathot
18:03 <mathot> test
18:03 <wrtIprnft> lol
18:04 <wrtIprnft> uh ice down...a six pack ..ahaw!
18:04 * wrtIprnft dances
18:05 -!- wrtIprnft is now known as wrtlprnft_
18:06 -!- wrtlprnft_ [i=spidey@mentally.humped.org] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
18:06 <wrtlprnft> HAHA!
18:06 <wrtlprnft> gotcha
18:06 <wrtlprnft> i have that one registered
18:06 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
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18:07 <SpideySlapper> xx
18:07 <linuxlizzard> I'm scared :P
18:07 <wrtlprnft__> ;x
18:07 * wrtlprnft__ slaps wrtlprnft
18:08 * wrtlprnft__ smacks
18:08 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
18:08 * wrtlprnft__ smacks wrtlprnft
18:08 * wrtlprnft__ stabs wrtlprnft
18:08 * SpideySlapper smacks spidey
18:08 * SpideySlapper smacks spidey again
18:08 * ghableska pokes wrtlprnft
18:08 * SpideySlapper smacks spidey for the sake of spam
18:08 * SpideySlapper smacks spidey to make me feel great
18:08 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:09 <wrtlprnft> and before spidey gets stupid ideas: I just registered and linked SpideySlapper
18:09 * wrtlprnft__ stabs wrtlprnft again
18:09 <ghableska> lol
18:09 <Luke-Jr_> spidey: pong
18:09 <wrtlprnft__> Luke-Jr_, ping
18:10 <Luke-Jr_> wtf?
18:10 <wrtlprnft__> lol
18:10 <wrtlprnft> that's spidey
18:10 <Luke-Jr_> ...
18:10 <wrtlprnft__> i'm wrtlprnft
18:10 <wrtlprnft__> wrtlprnft: is spidey
18:10 <Luke-Jr_> ...
18:10 <Luke-Jr_> whatever
18:10 <Luke-Jr_> *: pong
18:11 <wrtlprnft__> haha
18:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: i'm identified
18:11 <wrtlprnft__> Luke-Jr_: he stole my password
18:11 <Luke-Jr_> PONG NOW WTF AM I BEING PINGED FOR?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> and that's why he's called wrtlprnft__
18:12 <wrtlprnft> because if he was called wrtlprnft_ i would ghostkill him
18:13 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft__: wanna rename back?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't want you taking my nick and confusing people
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18:18 <wrtlprnft__> Luke-Jr_, i pinged you cause i was gonna ask you something
18:18 <wrtlprnft__> but i forgot
18:19 <wrtlprnft> ...
18:19 <Luke-Jr_> ...
18:19 <wrtlprnft__> ...
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18:22 <mathot> oops
18:22 <wrtlprnft> mathot: decided yet whether you wanna be in here or not? ;)
18:23 <mathot> :-D
18:23 <wrtlprnft> what? ady decided to leave arma? finally a good message
18:24 * mathot is an IRC noob
18:24 <Luke-Jr_> ady?
18:24 <ghableska> really?
18:24 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=79441#79441
18:24 <wrtlprnft> mathot: we all have been :)
18:24 * wrtlprnft still is one, infact
18:24 <mathot> :-)
18:27 -!- mathot [n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
18:28 * Luke-Jr_ has used IRC for years
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #later tell mathot change your quit message, your current one contains a gaim ad
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:32 <wrtlprnft__> goddamn it
18:33 <wrtlprnft__> i hate sites that use meta scripts to redirect
18:33 -!- wrtlprnft__ is now known as spidey
18:33 <spidey> i'm trying to read something but keep getting redirected
18:34 <Luke-Jr_> ...
18:34 <Luke-Jr_> there is no such thing as a meta script
18:34 <spidey> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432021/
18:34 <Luke-Jr_> and a meta refresh in theory should act just like a normal redirection
18:34 <Luke-Jr_> what about that page?
18:35 <spidey> what about it?
18:35 <spidey> i'm trying to read it
18:35 <Luke-Jr_> so read it
18:35 <spidey> but it keeps sending me to some site about "v for vendetta"
18:35 <Luke-Jr_> works for me
18:35 <spidey> :/
18:36 <Luke-Jr_> tho there was a popup blocked
18:36 * spidey can't wait till resident evil extinction comes out
18:36 <spidey> ;x
18:37 * Luke-Jr_ can
18:37 <Luke-Jr_> now X-Men 4 is another matter
18:37 <spidey> bah
18:37 <spidey> i've got resident evil 1 and 2
18:37 <spidey> return of the living dead
18:37 <spidey> hmm
18:38 <spidey> what's that movie
18:38 <spidey> something dawn
18:38 <spidey> dawn of the dead
18:38 <spidey> then there's another one
18:38 <spidey> it's like
18:38 <spidey> they're trapped in this mall
18:38 <spidey> and all the zombies are trying to get them
18:38 <spidey> yada yada
18:39 <spidey> day of the dead
18:39 <spidey> i think
18:39 <spidey> no
18:39 <spidey> that's a old one
18:40 <spidey> within the story, zombies are said to outnumber humans 400,000 to 1. So, yeah, a whole lot of zombies.
18:40 <spidey> lol
18:48 <spidey> Redneck Zombies, 1987
18:48 <spidey> haha
18:53 <vvrtlprnft> http://imdb.com/title/tt0274518/
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18:53 <spidey> um
18:53 <spidey> how can day of the dead2 be released before day of the dead?
18:53 <spidey> * Day of the Dead 2: Contagium (2005)
18:53 <spidey> * Day of the Dead (2007)
18:55 <vvrtlprnft> its easy with time machines
18:55 -!- vvrtlprnft is now known as mkzelda
18:55 <spidey> lol
18:56 <spidey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_zombie_films
18:56 <spidey> i'm downloading the ones made after 1995
18:56 <spidey> because 1
18:56 <spidey> movies before 1995 kinda suck with effects and stuff
18:56 <spidey> and 2
18:56 <spidey> i can't find movies that old usually :D
18:58 <mkzelda> when i was in the scene i was in a classic rls grp
18:59 <mkzelda> tons of it is still out there if you look in the right places
18:59 <spidey> http://www.ircspy.com/
19:02 <spidey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil_4_%28film%29
19:03 <spidey> how can they plan resident evil 4 when resident evil 3 is still in the making
19:04 <spidey> awe
19:04 <spidey> it's going to be released sept. 7 2007
19:04 <spidey> :((
19:07 <mkzelda> what you were hoping for sept 11?
19:07 <spidey> no i was hoping for sooner :D
19:07 <spidey> i love the resident evil series
19:07 <spidey> wait
19:07 <spidey> i just got that
19:07 * spidey slaps Marco_
19:07 <spidey> mkzelda, *
19:10 <[NP]Tangent> does xchat have an amsg command? [amsg]
19:11 <spidey> yes...
19:11 <spidey> i got 17 movies downloading :D
19:11 <spidey> that'll bring me to....
19:11 <spidey> 87
19:15 <linuxlizzard> eh
19:15 <linuxlizzard> :)
19:16 <spidey> i would have +50 more
19:16 <spidey> but my brother ran off with my 40gig hdd
19:16 <spidey> little shit
19:16 <linuxlizzard> hehe
19:16 <linuxlizzard> I've managed to fill 160 gb
19:17 <linuxlizzard> never thought I would untill it happened ;)
19:17 <wrtlprnft> murphy: you always end up using the disk space you have pretty soon, no matter how much it is
19:17 <spidey> man
19:18 <spidey> i swear
19:18 <spidey> xchat crashes again
19:18 <spidey> >.<
19:18 <wrtlprnft> good
19:18 <spidey> HD: [C:] 48.85/111.75 GB [F:] 8.13/12.72 GB
19:18 <wrtlprnft> i hope it won't come up again
19:18 <spidey> wrtlprnft i have 3 clients
19:18 <spidey> so it doesn't matter
19:18 <spidey> ;x
19:19 <linuxlizzard> hehe
19:19 <wrtlprnft> i hope it'll rain real hard for the next 100 years in your region and you'll end up without access to this channel
19:19 <linuxlizzard> looking at your previous disscussion about the resident evil movie
19:19 <linuxlizzard> its directed by paul ruin-your-franchise-anderson
19:19 <linuxlizzard> thats all you need to know ;)
19:20 <spidey> so
19:20 <spidey> i love them movies :D
19:20 <linuxlizzard> we made a uncyclopedia about him once
19:20 <linuxlizzard> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Paul_Anderson
19:21 <spidey> lol
19:21 <linuxlizzard> X)
19:31 <spidey> i love how i set the max download to 270 and it shoots up to 355
19:31 <spidey> :/
19:31 <linuxlizzard> ya, it can be wierd like that
19:31 <linuxlizzard> I have mastered the boostage of torrents over time XD
19:33 <guru3> forced to watch dr phil during dinner
19:33 <guru3> someone shoot me
19:33 <linuxlizzard> ouch
19:33 * ghableska pulls the trigger
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19:49 <DrJoeTron> ko lizzard, lobster bots are go!
19:49 -!- TitsnAss [n=TitsnAss@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
19:49 <TitsnAss> yo
19:49 <linuxlizzard> heys
19:50 <TitsnAss> yo..
19:50 <TitsnAss> be back later..
19:50 -!- TitsnAss [n=TitsnAss@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
19:52 <DrJoeTron> yo lizzard
19:52 <DrJoeTron> check out the bots :D
19:53 <DrJoeTron> you're in first line up
19:53 <linuxlizzard> hells ya
19:53 <DrJoeTron> it switches them up all the time
19:53 <linuxlizzard> schweet
19:57 <linuxlizzard> haha its more like the numbers increase ever time :P
19:58 <wrtlprnft> guru3: if you're still alive, what was the reason you wanted to get shot?
20:00 <guru3> dr phil is just...
20:00 <guru3> wtf to me
20:00 <DrJoeTron> haha
20:01 <DrJoeTron> its like they team up and wallop on you lizzard
20:01 <linuxlizzard> ya
20:01 <DrJoeTron> i like my lobster bots :D
20:02 <wrtlprnft> can they play fortress?
20:02 <DrJoeTron> nope
20:02 <linuxlizzard> hah, I'm sure they don't want to :P
20:02 <DrJoeTron> the real lobsters cant either ;p
20:02 <guru3> lol
20:02 <linuxlizzard> :P
20:03 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
20:03 <linuxlizzard> >-;;,ccc3 X)
20:08 <DrJoeTron> hooray for E3 dying!
20:08 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/temp/lobmobile.png
20:08 <guru3> that's for you joe x)
20:11 <DrJoeTron> bwahahaha!
20:12 <DrJoeTron> saved!
20:12 <DrJoeTron> thank you tank :D
20:15 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:15 <guru3> could also make a flat cycle model out of it
20:16 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
20:16 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:16 <DrJoeTron> taking on the mafia bots at once is nuts
20:16 <DrJoeTron> its like
20:16 <DrJoeTron> ...wow
20:18 <guru3> i'm really cheap :/
20:18 <guru3> dumping a stream off of mp3.com
20:18 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:18 <DrJoeTron> www.pandora.com
20:19 <guru3> just sort of low quality
20:19 <guru3> alas
20:22 <guru3> great message from mplayer
20:22 <guru3> Everything done. Thank you for downloading a media file containing proprietary and patented technology.
20:22 <guru3> Core dumped ;)
20:22 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:22 <wrtlprnft> well, screw the file and the source then
20:22 <wrtlprnft> or tell them they suck
20:23 <guru3> i'm not sure what format it's actually in
20:23 <guru3> says asf
20:23 <guru3> which
20:23 <guru3> doesn't really make sense
20:23 <Luke-Jr_> no?
20:23 <guru3> as i didn't think that was 64bit linux compatible
20:23 <Luke-Jr_> ASF is just a container like AVI, OGM, and MKV
20:24 <guru3> go figure
20:24 <guru3> "divx audio v2"
20:27 <DrJoeTron> oh god
20:28 <DrJoeTron> the bots dont go away right away
20:28 <Luke-Jr_> ...
20:28 <linuxlizzard> yas
20:28 <linuxlizzard> it kills about four a round
20:28 <linuxlizzard> untill they are gone
20:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah
20:29 <DrJoeTron> id like it to kill all of them
20:30 <DrJoeTron> alright lizzard
20:30 <DrJoeTron> come on in
20:30 <DrJoeTron> ive built up enough
20:30 <linuxlizzard> kk
20:31 <DrJoeTron> do any of you know how to get rid of all of the aI players at once?
20:31 <DrJoeTron> when more than one player connnect?
20:33 <DrJoeTron> any one wanna take the plunge?
20:33 <DrJoeTron> the help joe plunge
20:33 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:34 <DrJoeTron> like get_out_bots_now_1
20:35 <linuxlizzard> indeed
20:35 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig get_out_bots
20:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:35 <DrJoeTron> damn
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig get_out_bots:P
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:36 <wrtlprnft> oops
20:36 <wrtlprnft> just :P
20:36 <DrJoeTron> is there anyway to?
20:36 <wrtlprnft> not that i know of
20:37 <DrJoeTron> ok:/
20:37 <wrtlprnft> looks like the engine doesn't allow more than 4 bots to leave or enter at the same time
20:37 <DrJoeTron> well so much for my plan
20:37 <wrtlprnft> just call it a feature
20:38 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:38 <DrJoeTron> in this case
20:38 <DrJoeTron> all of the bots now are named >-;;,ccc3
20:38 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:39 <DrJoeTron> dont wanna seem biased
20:39 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:39 <linuxlizzard> indeed
20:39 <DrJoeTron> alright
20:39 <DrJoeTron> taken care of
20:42 <linuxlizzard> well bbl
20:42 <DrJoeTron> ko
20:42 <linuxlizzard> :)
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21:04 <wrtlprnft> #seen philippeqc
21:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: philippeqc was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <philippeqc> mais ca n'empeche pas que je trouve ca poche quand le monde se donne des excuses pour justifier leur mediocrite.
21:07 <spidey> #night
21:07 <armabot> Good night spidey!
21:08 <wrtlprnft> good night (finally)
21:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_ will be happy I'm currently downloading his resource dir with wget -r
21:08 <wrtlprnft> uh, that includes all combinations of directory listings (sorting) :S
21:10 <wrtlprnft> luckily there's find -name "*html*" -exec rm {} \; :)
21:24 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179031.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:30 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
21:30 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
21:30 <Vanhayes> hmm
21:31 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:31 <Vanhayes> didnt think so
21:31 <wrtlprnft> works sometimes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't work if there's people with invalid chars in their names online
21:32 <Vanhayes> stupid people, cant just use a-z and 0-9
21:33 <wrtlprnft> well, latin-1 chars are ok
21:33 <wrtlprnft> it's just the control chars that make trouble
21:34 <Vanhayes> hmm how do you get those, is it a special keyboard or something?
21:35 <Vanhayes> ive tried control chars in arma but they dont work for me
21:35 <wrtlprnft> well
21:36 <wrtlprnft> first it's a german keyboard
21:36 <wrtlprnft> so i get a degree sign, umlauts and a sharp s
21:36 <wrtlprnft> then we have one more modifier key (the right alt key)
21:36 <wrtlprnft> and under linux there's combinations involving that key for many chars
21:37 <wrtlprnft> not under windows tho
21:37 <Vanhayes> heh o well then, ill just stick with a-z and 0-9
21:37 <Vanhayes> untill I decide to get another OS
21:38 <wrtlprnft> and another keyboard
21:38 <Vanhayes> ya that too
21:38 <wrtlprnft> {[]}\~@ <-- those are made using that extra key
21:38 <wrtlprnft> oh, and |
21:38 <Vanhayes> {[]}\~@
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but on a german keyboard space is taken away by special chars we have
21:39 <wrtlprnft> so we need that key to make those chars
21:39 <wrtlprnft> and the linux/X11 guys thought ahead and used that key for other chars too :)
21:39 <Vanhayes> what is the little 42 for?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> i put it there
21:40 <wrtlprnft> before it was just a blank space
21:40 <wrtlprnft> and well, you could have abused that
21:40 <wrtlprnft> assuming "." was one of those unknown chars
21:40 <wrtlprnft> someone could write
21:40 <wrtlprnft> hi.......................................................................................0xff000Admin0xffff88:.blah
21:41 <wrtlprnft> as the . wouldn't be displayed and the line would be wrapped because of its length you could irritate people
21:41 <wrtlprnft> actually it was different
21:42 <wrtlprnft> hi 0xff0000Admin0xffff88:.blah.........................................................................
21:42 <wrtlprnft> that's how you could do it
21:42 <wrtlprnft> now there's all the 42s and you instantly see that something's fishy there
21:42 <Vanhayes> hmm wasnt that how people did huge flags?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> that was later
21:43 <Vanhayes> just big instant chats of different colours that blocked your veiw
21:44 <wrtlprnft> someone brought up the idea that using a one- colored area would be more compressable and save space
21:44 <wrtlprnft> so i made all the unknown chars a rectangle
21:44 <wrtlprnft> well, and people found out on how to abuse this
21:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that's all not a problem anymore with 0.3
21:45 <Vanhayes> o ya is there going to be another alpha relaesed anytime soon?
21:45 <Vanhayes> released*
21:45 <wrtlprnft> wow, nemo's preview script is working pretty slowly
21:45 <wrtlprnft> but well, I'm giving it 223 maps to render at 1000x1000px
21:45 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: not that soon
21:46 <wrtlprnft> ph just broke the trunk and we're waiting for him to come back
21:46 <wrtlprnft> then luke has his tCode stuff
21:46 <Vanhayes> lol how did he break it?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> we need the trunk in a somewhat stable form to make a release
21:46 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: he implemented the new zone model
21:47 <wrtlprnft> and there's a bug one change induced... the current trunk client crashes on the end of every round if zones are involved
21:47 <wrtlprnft> which kinda makes it useless
21:47 <Vanhayes> with those new models would it be possible to get a zone to "latch" on to you untill you want to shoot it or let it go?
21:48 <wrtlprnft> currently none
21:48 <wrtlprnft> this is about zone effecs mostly for now
21:48 <Vanhayes> o ok
21:48 <wrtlprnft> zone movement still isn't possible yet
21:49 <wrtlprnft> only if you hack the client
21:49 <Vanhayes> ie groundpigs?
21:49 <wrtlprnft> but we want a model that's more extensible than groundpigs shooting hack
21:49 <wrtlprnft> *hack the server
21:50 <Vanhayes> btw do you know what happened to styball? it hasnt been up for a couple of days
21:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm, groundpig hasn't been in this channel for some time
21:51 <wrtlprnft> groundpig and his servers seem to come and go from time to time
21:51 <Vanhayes> #seen groundpig
21:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: groundpig was last seen in #armagetron 2 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <groundpig> thanks!
21:51 <Vanhayes> heh 2 days
21:52 <Vanhayes> ya I used to play his shooting one when it first came out but then it just dissappeared untill last month
21:52 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:55 <Vanhayes> #seen omega_pm
21:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: omega_pm was last seen in #armagetron 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <omega_pm> ty :-D
22:20 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: I plan to make it rsyncable some time to allow a round-robin
22:20 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: and push XMPP pubsub notices when there's stuff added, like CIA, so they're kept updated
22:21 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint john
22:22 <Vanhayes> heh o ya
22:24 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: wanna see what i fetched it for? :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/previews/preview.php?path=.
22:24 <wrtlprnft> still work in progress
22:25 <wrtlprnft> the thumbs are too big probably
22:25 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: wouldn't it make more sense to just upload it to the beta site?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> well
22:25 <wrtlprnft> it's not that great yet
22:25 <Luke-Jr_> well, the beta site isn't for finished products
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i have to generate the images manually
22:25 <Luke-Jr_> that's why it's beta =p
22:25 <Luke-Jr_> oh
22:26 <Luke-Jr_> that's not a big problem, actually
22:26 <Luke-Jr_> since the images would never change
22:26 <Luke-Jr_> without a format change-- in which case, a script can be run to remake them
22:27 <wrtlprnft> i have to ask nemo on how to get map-preview to output the result to a custom path
22:27 <Luke-Jr_> actual resources are at /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource on hachi (aabeta's host)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> bacause i hacked it to retain the directory structure
22:27 <Luke-Jr_> I'd suggest a structure under /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/ or such
22:27 <wrtlprnft> so i'd need to copy the structure
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or just let the uploader take care of that
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22:28 <Luke-Jr_> copy the structure?
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and generate thumbs and dirs in the preview dir
22:28 <wrtlprnft> right on upload
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and you'd have to install ruby and rmagick
22:28 <Luke-Jr_> /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/ed/fortress/nano_sumo-0.1.1.aamap.xml.64x64.png
22:29 <wrtlprnft> and have a working checkout of map-preview somwhere accessible
22:29 <Luke-Jr_> that's fine, now that it's on hachi
22:29 <Luke-Jr_> in fact, nemo could svn mv map-preview into the aabeta Svn somewhere
22:29 <Luke-Jr_> I'll install the deps now
22:29 <wrtlprnft> can't you link that somehow?
22:30 <Luke-Jr_> could, in theory, and sloppily
22:30 <Luke-Jr_> but isn't it under private right now?
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22:32 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:32 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:32 <Luke-Jr_> under tools it seems
22:32 <wrtlprnft> no
22:32 <wrtlprnft> private/nemo* doesn't exist
22:33 <Luke-Jr_> tools/map-preview
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22:33 <wrtlprnft> so i guess I give you a tarball of the directory structure and previews i have now?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> and then modify the uploader to keep it up to date
22:34 <Luke-Jr_> why not scp what you have right now?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i'll remove the actual maps from the structure
22:35 <Luke-Jr_> you own /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview
22:35 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:35 <wrtlprnft> does that include the script?
22:36 <wrtlprnft> *would that include the script
22:36 <Luke-Jr_> no
22:36 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:36 <Luke-Jr_> is it meant to be a command-line tool?
22:36 <wrtlprnft> no
22:36 <wrtlprnft> oh, map-preview is
22:36 <Luke-Jr_> hm
22:36 <wrtlprnft> the script i have only generates pages
22:37 <wrtlprnft> haha, i just broke it on my server
22:37 <Luke-Jr_> I don't suppose nemo has an ebuild :x
22:37 <wrtlprnft> just put it somewhere so i can call it
22:38 <wrtlprnft> and make the previews/ dir in it writable to me
22:38 <wrtlprnft> or i can't call it
22:38 <Luke-Jr_> you own /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview
22:38 <Luke-Jr_> why do you need to call it?
22:38 <Luke-Jr_> the uploader would...
22:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:38 <wrtlprnft> by the uploader i mean
22:38 <wrtlprnft> me=the script :P
22:38 <Luke-Jr_> the uploader runs as armagetronad ;p
22:39 <Luke-Jr_> after you upload your current stuff, I'll chown the dir to it
22:39 <wrtlprnft> wait a while after that
22:39 <wrtlprnft> i need to clean out my script, css file and the dtds
22:39 <wrtlprnft> i just copied everything, easier for me to remove it later
22:39 <Luke-Jr_> O.o?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> the script is like 2KB
22:40 <Luke-Jr_> /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview
22:40 <wrtlprnft> does it run?
22:40 <Luke-Jr_> has tools/map-preview/trunk
22:40 <Luke-Jr_> probably not
22:40 <Luke-Jr_> rmagick is still goin
22:41 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:41 <Luke-Jr_> installing
22:41 <wrtlprnft> if it's running, run it on a test map and look if the image is OK
22:41 <wrtlprnft> not empty
22:42 <Luke-Jr_> erm
22:42 <Luke-Jr_> where's the file
22:43 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> in bin
22:43 <wrtlprnft> there's a README
22:43 <wrtlprnft> any you might wanna get a better directory icon
22:43 <wrtlprnft> that's the apache one scaled up
22:44 <wrtlprnft> can you emerge zsh? :S
22:44 <wrtlprnft> i hate working with bash
22:45 <Luke-Jr_> could use anti-aliasing, but it works
22:45 <Luke-Jr_> why do you need a shell at all? O.o
22:45 <wrtlprnft> that's browser buisness
22:45 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@hachi /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview $ find -name *.dtd -exec rm {} \;
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: the browser's doing the scaling
22:46 <wrtlprnft> you'r browser is broken.
22:46 <Luke-Jr_> no
22:46 <Luke-Jr_> ./map-preview -x 64 -y
22:46 <Luke-Jr_> 64 ../../../resource/resource/ed/fortress/chicoeye-0.0.3.aamap.xml
22:46 <wrtlprnft> -'
22:46 <wrtlprnft> now it should be in previews/
22:47 <wrtlprnft> hmm, can i put my script somewhere for testing?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna commit every small change to see if it's working
22:47 * Luke-Jr_ mass-renames to 300x300 and 1000x1000 :p
22:48 <wrtlprnft> we can put it under version control once it works
22:48 <Luke-Jr_> dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft is ~/public_html
22:48 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:48 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:48 <Luke-Jr_> nemo will need to let me specify output filename... >.>
22:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: well
22:49 <wrtlprnft> you can just let it put the file in previews and move it where you want it
22:49 <Luke-Jr_> that's hackish
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ok, maps are where?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> if(strstr($path, '..')) die ("fuck off.");
22:51 <wrtlprnft> that enough checking for dangerous paths?
22:52 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5869 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-preview: resource-preview symlink
22:52 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: you need to make the preview dir available via http somewhere
22:54 <Luke-Jr_> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-preview/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml.300x300.png
22:54 <Luke-Jr_> the previewer seems to cut off the bottom and right edge?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> ack
22:54 <wrtlprnft> i specified a margin of 0
22:54 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: you know, I think PHP has a function for checking paths ;p
22:54 <wrtlprnft> probably 1 would have been better
22:55 <Luke-Jr_> chown'd the *files* in preview to you
22:55 <Luke-Jr_> so you can overwrite them =p
22:55 <wrtlprnft> ok
22:55 <Luke-Jr_> I'd write a script to do it if map-preview took an output filename
22:56 <wrtlprnft> I'll do that when everything else works
22:56 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: make a wrapper script for now
22:56 <wrtlprnft> that just calls map- preview and then moves the result to its destination
22:56 <wrtlprnft> then you can later replace it if map-preview supports it
22:57 <Luke-Jr_> ls /usr/share/icons/nuvola/128x128/filesystems/folder*
22:58 <Luke-Jr_> for icons
22:58 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:58 <Luke-Jr_> 128x128 seems a good thumbnail size for maps =p
22:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:58 <wrtlprnft> i made them bigger so you can see something
22:59 <Luke-Jr_> 128x128 you can see *something*
22:59 <Luke-Jr_> enough to see if the map is decent
23:00 <wrtlprnft> well, write that script if you like
23:00 <wrtlprnft> I'll make my php script configurable for various postfixes
23:00 <Luke-Jr_> -m 10 seems needed to see all of the map
23:01 <Luke-Jr_> I don't plan to write that script-- more likely fix the Ruby =p
23:01 <wrtlprnft> no
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i mean the script that regenerates all thumbs
23:02 <Luke-Jr_> oh, that's a one-liner ;p
23:07 <DrJoeTron> fucking counsilers
23:08 <Luke-Jr_> ......
23:08 <Luke-Jr_> you're married to a counselor?
23:08 <DrJoeTron> married was never mentioned
23:09 <Luke-Jr_> marriage is a prerequisite to f__ing
23:10 <GodTodd> ummmm no it's not
23:10 <DrJoeTron> not to most people >.>
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23:10 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: ensure realpath(...) begins with a path
23:11 <DrJoeTron> they screwed me over soo much now
23:11 <linuxlizzard> and hows this :P
23:11 <DrJoeTron> ok, im switching majors
23:11 <linuxlizzard> aha
23:11 <DrJoeTron> when i first got into college, i tested low
23:11 <DrJoeTron> because of what i was doing
23:12 <linuxlizzard> yup yup
23:12 <DrJoeTron> i did not matter to me for what level geneds i took
23:12 <DrJoeTron> but since i changed
23:12 <DrJoeTron> now they do
23:12 <linuxlizzard> I see
23:12 <DrJoeTron> and classes they told me a year ago "yeah thats an english class"
23:12 <DrJoeTron> psyche!
23:12 <DrJoeTron> WRONG
23:12 <DrJoeTron> now i cant retest
23:13 <linuxlizzard> uh huh
23:13 <DrJoeTron> unless i beg the director and tell them i got screwed over
23:13 <DrJoeTron> but i have 2 different directions
23:14 <DrJoeTron> ones easier but wont let me go far
23:14 <DrJoeTron> one is more grueling but involves me going somewhere and transfering to a 4 year
23:14 <linuxlizzard> I see
23:14 * DrJoeTron community college Ftw
23:15 <linuxlizzard> ya I think you have some begging to do
23:15 <DrJoeTron> community college isnt so bad
23:15 <DrJoeTron> i took it because its cheaper
23:15 <linuxlizzard> jaja
23:15 <linuxlizzard> that it is
23:16 <DrJoeTron> get the geneds and what not out of the way
23:16 <DrJoeTron> no point in spending loads of money on the same subjects
23:16 <linuxlizzard> hehe ya
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> community college rules
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> that is, until the snobs at the university come to take classes in the summer because "it's easy"
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> and then find out it's not so easy as they thought....
23:17 * Lucifer_arma thinks people in sororities/fraternites should just be shot
23:18 * DrJoeTron hates the world now because i've been sodomized academically
23:22 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5870 /tools/map-preview/trunk/bin/map-preview: Optional output file argument
23:23 <Luke-Jr_> college is a waste of money
23:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah fuck college
23:23 <Luke-Jr_> just spend 4 years in the work force
23:23 <Luke-Jr_> that experience is worth a ton more than any college
23:24 <DrJoeTron> ya huh, ho-k
23:24 <Vanhayes> workforce=mcdonalds Luke-Jr_ ?
23:24 <DrJoeTron> no van
23:24 <DrJoeTron> burger king
23:25 <Vanhayes> heh ok sorry my mistake
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23:28 <GodTodd> hmmm....i wanna find stats on how many nuclear physicists, for example, currently working in their field have only a high school diploma ;)
23:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/preview.php
23:28 <GodTodd> oh, wait, i'm sure it's fairly close to '0'
23:29 <wrtlprnft> http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/preview.php?path=/wrtlprnft/crazy/CrazyLines-0.1.aamap.xml <-- i like that preview
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> jimmy carter was a nuclear physicist
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> 82.82.236.254 <--- is this anybody's IP address here?
23:31 <wrtlprnft> not mine
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> somebody from that IP address went to the wiki and tried to login as me, and then kept clicking the "send me a password" button
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's not me :)
23:34 <DrJoeTron> wait luci
23:34 <DrJoeTron> i think i might
23:34 <DrJoeTron> false alarm
23:35 <linuxlizzard> hah what are you up to now joe ;P
23:35 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: wtf
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=79501#79501 <--- my overall satisfaction from this game right now is near 0 :(
23:36 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: ?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> works right now
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i just need a sort function that ignores casing
23:37 <Luke-Jr_> why?
23:37 <Luke-Jr_> oh
23:37 <Luke-Jr_> I think 128x128 would work
23:37 <Luke-Jr_> for thumbnails
23:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:38 <Luke-Jr_> anyway, it's probably ready for Svn as is
23:38 <wrtlprnft> you need to generate them
23:38 <wrtlprnft> sec
23:38 <DrJoeTron> lucifer
23:38 <DrJoeTron> it could be cypher
23:38 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: 128x128 are generating now
23:38 <Luke-Jr_> array_multisort((strtolower($array_var)), SORT_ASC, SORT_STRING, $array_var);
23:38 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:39 <wrtlprnft> pretty unefficient
23:39 <Luke-Jr_> or natcasesort
23:39 <Luke-Jr_> =p
23:39 <DrJoeTron> the ip shows the dns is in california
23:39 <DrJoeTron> marina del ray
23:39 <DrJoeTron> which is by where cypher showed up last time i had his ip
23:39 <Luke-Jr_> sorting can be fixed post-import to Svn
23:40 <Luke-Jr_> Ideally, I think I'd like to get rid of the directory structure view =p
23:40 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:40 <Luke-Jr_> instead, have comboboxes like the download page
23:40 <wrtlprnft> nah
23:40 <wrtlprnft> too complicated
23:40 <Luke-Jr_> =p
23:40 <wrtlprnft> no
23:40 <Luke-Jr_> what if I want to see all category=fortress regardless of author? =p
23:40 <wrtlprnft> i don't mean to complicated for me
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i mean too complicated for the user
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should put it in my firewall instead
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> that blocks him from the wiki and my master server, at least
23:41 * Lucifer_arma took down his game server
23:42 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: how is a dropdown box complicated? =p
23:42 <DrJoeTron> hi c
23:42 <Luke-Jr_> by default, they see *all* resources, etc
23:43 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: thumbs are 128x128 now
23:44 <wrtlprnft> http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/preview.php?path=/ed/fortress/octagoneloopy_nano-0.0.1.aamap.xml <-- that one reminds me of little pacmans
23:44 <Luke-Jr_> hm, text goes outside the div
23:45 <Luke-Jr_> if you replace the div with a block 'a' tag, will it break IE?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> hopefully not
23:45 <wrtlprnft> sec
23:46 <Luke-Jr_> that way they can click on the text or blank area under the image
23:47 <wrtlprnft> i can't really change the overflowing text
23:48 <Luke-Jr_> could replace _ with space
23:49 <Luke-Jr_> and overflow: hidden
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna replace :S
23:49 <Luke-Jr_> heh
23:49 <wrtlprnft> that's a hack
23:49 <Luke-Jr_> well, at least overflow:hidden so it doesn't mess up the ones to the right
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/contact <--- can someone send me an email with this form?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i can do that...
23:50 <Luke-Jr_> maybe make the a-block width > 128px so it matches the height
23:50 <Luke-Jr_> perhaps we should use 196x128 thumbs, rotated-- that will fit some fortress designs better
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i made it overflow:hidden now
23:51 <wrtlprnft> and added a title attribute
23:51 <Luke-Jr_> I don't know how to rotate the maps :x
23:51 <wrtlprnft> so you can still see the text
23:52 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: do 175x128 thumbs if you like
23:52 <Luke-Jr_> 175 isn't a power of 2 =p
23:52 <Luke-Jr_> hm
23:53 <Luke-Jr_> parent dir links break stuff
23:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:53 <Luke-Jr_> if you use a parent dir link, it breaks the thumbnails
23:53 <Luke-Jr_> cuz .. is in the new path
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i see
23:54 <Luke-Jr_> should have parent dir trim the last path element
23:54 <Luke-Jr_> maybe omit 'Version' for directories, and hide empty dirs
23:57 <Luke-Jr_> hm, 3D buttons-- not sure which look nicer IMO
23:59 <wrtlprnft> parent dirs are fixed
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