Log from 2006-08-01:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 01 2006
00:00 <Luke-Jr_> 'Listing of /AATeam' should probably not have the /
00:02 <wrtlprnft> done
00:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: can you regenerate the big images?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> with a marging too?
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> ok
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> now you just need to preview cockpits
00:03 <Luke-Jr_> =p
00:04 <wrtlprnft> not that easy
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> hehe
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> how about hiding non-latest versions?
00:05 <Luke-Jr_> anyway, it's plenty ready for Svn
00:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: how?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> now do i know which one is latest?
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> <.<
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> um, modification date? =p
00:06 <wrtlprnft> pff
00:06 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:06 <wrtlprnft> you should have made a better version spec
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> it's not too late
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe define a later version as one that appears later if you sort it numerically
00:07 <wrtlprnft> ie sort -n
00:07 <Luke-Jr_> why not just define the standard multi-integer version spec?
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> eg, 1.* > 0.*
00:08 <wrtlprnft> wait for SVN please
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> 1.14.* > 1.4.*
00:08 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> *wait with SVN
00:09 <Luke-Jr_> 3.23.3212 == 3.23.3212.0.0.0.0
00:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: can you set up mod_rewrite so we get clean URIs?
00:14 <Luke-Jr_> mod_rewrite is already there
00:14 <wrtlprnft> i can have a .htaccess?
00:15 <Luke-Jr_> yes
00:15 <wrtlprnft> ok
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/contact <--- can someone send me an email with this form?
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> has anybody done so? I haven't received it if they have...
00:18 * Luke-Jr_ will
00:19 <Luke-Jr_> Your message has been sent.
00:23 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: ok, now you can add it to svn
00:23 <wrtlprnft> be sure to modify the .htaccess and .php since they contain paths
00:23 <Luke-Jr_> eh
00:23 <Luke-Jr_> I can? Why not you?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:23 <wrtlprnft> where should i put it to?
00:24 <Luke-Jr_> www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser
00:24 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn mkdir https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> cd /path/where/your/local/copy/is
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser .
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn add .htaccess *
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> svn commit
00:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> ('svn commit' won't make your local copy into a working dir-- this method will)
00:25 <Luke-Jr_> err, 'svn import'
00:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5871 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/: Added dir for the online resource browser
00:26 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> BTW, note the ' .' at the end of the checkout command
00:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:29 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> k
00:29 <Luke-Jr_> ugh, I hate stupid tech support drones
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5872 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (.htaccess folder_orange.png preview.php style.css): New online resource browser
00:29 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:30 <wrtlprnft> err
00:30 <wrtlprnft> the dir is still empty
00:30 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/
00:30 <Luke-Jr_> there's a delay
00:31 <Luke-Jr_> you didn't need to commit the png =p
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> thank you luke, I got the email. So my contact form works. :)
00:32 <Luke-Jr_> :)
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> yeah, we all just ignored you the first time =p
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> ok, everyone listen up!
00:33 <Luke-Jr_> this is the only chance I'm giving you to tell me this isn't a bug =p
00:33 <wrtlprnft> wow.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> i'm surprised it works
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> With using --with-multislot or whatever, the directories are all called armagetronad-dedicated instead of armagetronad-dedicated-whatever
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: ?
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> so I'm fixing it to use armagetron-dedicated-whatever
00:34 <wrtlprnft> so, i guess tomorrow I'll need to find out how to make the uploader generate previews
00:34 <Luke-Jr_> shouldn't be too hard
00:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: well, there's some vars i had to change
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> ?
00:35 <wrtlprnft> and i'm surprised i didn't miss any
00:35 <wrtlprnft> paths, mostly
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> o
00:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: and can you please regenerate the 1000x1000 thumbs with a margin?
00:35 <Luke-Jr_> there seems to be a debug thing for the paths
00:36 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: they have been generating since last time you asked
00:36 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
00:36 <Luke-Jr_> it's at 'Previewing ./ed/fortress/mini-0.0.6.aamap.xml (1 of 1)... done
00:36 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:36 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/crazy <-- i still like these
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> what makes the spawns so big?
00:37 <nemostultae> hmmm... new spawn arrow resizing logic is needed...
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: it's a 10x10 map
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> ah
00:37 <Luke-Jr_> lol
00:38 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to be scaled up via SIZE_FACTOR
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> nemostultae: hope you don't mind I touched your code... o.o
00:38 <wrtlprnft> or 15x15, something like that
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: makes sense
00:38 <Luke-Jr_> should probably draw walls over the arrows
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5873 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed some w3 compatibility
00:38 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:39 <Luke-Jr_> nemostultae: when do we get a cockpit preview generator? =p
00:39 <nemostultae> hmm.. I'll leave that for someone else :)
00:39 * Luke-Jr_ writes it in brackf**k
00:39 <Luke-Jr_> brain*
00:40 <nemostultae> http://jonripley.com/brainfuck/cgi/cgi_example1.b ><
00:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5874 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php style.css): More compatibility and the browser is now an unordered list
00:42 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ...
00:43 <wrtlprnft> taking forever
00:43 <wrtlprnft> why does there have to be a delay? :S
00:43 <Luke-Jr_> ssh is slow?
00:43 <Luke-Jr_> =p
00:44 <wrtlprnft> just for an update script?
00:44 <wrtlprnft> my changes are still not in effect
00:44 <Luke-Jr_> Luci's server SSHs to hachi, which Svn HTTPS with SF
00:44 <wrtlprnft> still nothing
00:44 <Luke-Jr_> blame luci's server? =p
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, it runs in nohup, so it may not actually run. armabot can't check the return value of the command because of that
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> solution: change the command execution to run in a thread and use a different process method, one that lets us get the return value of the command
00:46 <wrtlprnft> anyways, won't update
00:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5875 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: the links are now display:block again
00:47 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
00:47 <wrtlprnft> yay
00:47 <wrtlprnft> now it updated
00:47 <wrtlprnft> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft :)
00:52 <Luke-Jr_> ;P
00:52 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: what's the license of that image?
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> LGPL-2
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> according to the ebuild anyhow
00:53 <Luke-Jr_> (yes, there is an ebuild for a set of icons)
00:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: how would I refer to the author in this case?
00:57 <wrtlprnft> a comment in the HTML?
00:58 <wrtlprnft> and i just changed it btw to display correctly in IE :P
00:59 <Luke-Jr_> refer to the author?
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5876 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (folder_orange.png preview.php): Changed the background of the image to make it appear right in IE and added a cocpyright note as a comment into the generated HTML
01:03 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
01:03 <Luke-Jr_> refer to the author? why?
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01:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: since it's LGPL?
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> so?
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> LGPL doesn't have an advertisement clause
01:04 <madmax|pt> Lackadaisical, good matches today :D
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> GPL doesn't, anyway... doubt LGPL does
01:04 <wrtlprnft> whatever, who cares
01:04 <wrtlprnft> better safe
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> though
01:04 <Luke-Jr_> technically, I think you need to link the source =p
01:04 <wrtlprnft> and it didn't update again
01:05 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
01:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
01:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_: i did
01:05 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
01:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
01:05 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes :) finally got out of my rut i think
01:05 <madmax|pt> its fun to have our def constantly attacked
01:05 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
01:05 <Luke-Jr_> ROFL
01:06 <madmax|pt> pressure is good practice :D
01:06 <armabot> armagetronad: /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ fake commit for the update script
01:06 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
01:06 <CIA-1234> now it updated
01:06 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
01:07 <Luke-Jr_> hehe
01:07 <wrtlprnft> now it works with IE too
01:07 <madmax|pt> wait, what's "rut"?
01:08 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:08 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:08 <madmax|pt> is it what google told me?
01:10 <madmax|pt> "is a general term that refers to the breeding period of mammals"
01:11 <Lackadaisical> um.. i think i used it wrong, but i was referring to: "In a settled or established habit or course of action, especially a boring one."
01:11 <Lackadaisical> a settled and monotonous routine that is hard to escape
01:12 <madmax|pt> never heard that word ><
01:12 <madmax|pt> makes sense
01:14 <madmax|pt> did anyone actually challenged you to a sumo match Lack?
01:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5877 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/acinclude.m4: Append progdir_suffix to aa_* paths as it is supposed to be
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5878 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/acinclude.m4: Append progdir_suffix to aa_* paths as it is supposed to be
01:15 <Luke-Jr_> hm
01:16 <Luke-Jr_> I probably shouldn't have done that twice... :o
01:16 <Lackadaisical> no :( except for hay lin who really just entered 1v1 sumo when i was there
01:18 <Luke-Jr_> wrtlprnft: hey... why are you removed in Svn 0.2.8?
01:18 <Luke-Jr_> from AUTHORS
01:21 <madmax|pt> well, good night
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01:38 <Luke-Jr_> um
01:38 <Luke-Jr_> why doesn't branches/0.2.8 compile?
01:43 <Luke-Jr_> nm, debian likes automake 1.4
03:21 <Vanhayes> #f
03:21 <armabot> Random Fortune: Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks? || -- Homer Simpson || Homer the Great
03:21 <Vanhayes> #list alias
03:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:22 <Vanhayes> #q
03:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
03:22 <DrJoeTron> #q
03:22 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 10:23 PM, June 20, 2006)
03:22 <Vanhayes> heh
03:23 <Vanhayes> #insight
03:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: The insidious threat of family values will enslave all of our World Wide Web.
03:28 <Vanhayes> #q
03:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 07:02 PM, June 13, 2006)
03:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:28 <Vanhayes> #q
03:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 10:22 PM, March 26, 2006)
03:30 <Vanhayes> #list quote
03:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
03:30 <Vanhayes> #quote stats
03:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: There are 16 quotes in my database.
03:31 <Vanhayes> #get 1
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: The command "get" is available in the Herald, Praise, and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
03:31 <Vanhayes> #quote get 1
03:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong? --WallyWallWhackr" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:37 PM, March 23, 2006)
03:34 <spidey> hmm
03:34 <spidey> this is sweet
03:34 <spidey> in windowsxp you can use a html as your background
03:34 <spidey> meaning including links and stuff
03:35 <Vanhayes> ya, but what would be the use of it?
03:36 <spidey> easy to access commonly use apps
03:36 <spidey> clicking a link and being at the website
03:36 <spidey> without opening a browser and looking for the link
03:36 <spidey> i'ma install php and use scripts to
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04:05 <spidey> i am 6087 days 20 hours and 5 minutes old :D
04:06 <Vanhayes> #g 6087/365
04:06 <armabot> 6,087 / 365 = 16.6767123
04:07 <Vanhayes> #list time
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: at, ctime, elapsed, seconds, time, and until
04:07 <spidey> :D
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help ctime
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (ctime [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the ctime for <seconds since epoch>, or the current ctime if no <seconds since epoch> is given.
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help elasped
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "elasped".
04:07 <Vanhayes> #help elapsed
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 10
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 10 seconds
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 1 min
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (elapsed <seconds>) -- Returns a pretty string that is the amount of time represented by <seconds>.
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 1
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1 second
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04:08 <Vanhayes> wtf is the use of that?
04:08 <Vanhayes> #elapsed 25
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 25 seconds
04:08 <Vanhayes> #HELP SECONDS
04:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: (seconds [<years>y] [<weeks>w] [<days>d] [<hours>h] [<minutes>m] [<seconds>s]) -- Returns the number of seconds in the number of <years>, <weeks>, <days>, <hours>, <minutes>, and <seconds> given. An example usage is "seconds 2h 30m", which would return 9000, which is '3600*2 + 30*60'. Useful for scheduling events at a given number of seconds in the future.
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04:09 <Vanhayes> #seconds 6087d 20h 5m
04:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: 525989100
04:10 <Vanhayes> lol spidey you are 525989100 many seconds old
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in minutes
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 8,766,485 minutes
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in hours
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 146,108.083 hours
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in days
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 6,087.83681 days
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in weeks
04:10 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 869.690972 weeks
04:10 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in months
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 200.015338 months
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in decades
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 1.66679448 decades
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in eons
04:11 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:11 <Vanhayes> didnt think so
04:11 <Vanhayes> #g 525989100 seconds in millenium
04:11 <armabot> 525,989,100 seconds = 0.0166679448 millenium
04:12 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in days
04:12 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 6,513.48588 days
04:12 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in days and minutes
04:12 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in minutes
04:13 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 9,379,419.66 minutes
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in miliseconds
04:13 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #check miliseconds
04:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "miliseconds": milliseconds, millisecond's, and millisecond.
04:13 <Vanhayes> #g 17 years, 10 months in milliseconds
04:13 <armabot> 17 years 10 months = 5.6276518 × 10^(11) milliseconds
04:13 <Vanhayes> heh
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 6,513.48588 -6,087.83681
04:16 <armabot> 6,513.48588 - 6,087.83681 = 425.64907
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 425.64907 in years
04:16 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:16 <Vanhayes> #g 425.64907seconds in years
04:16 <armabot> 425.64907 seconds = 1.34882932 × 10^(-5) years
04:18 <Vanhayes> #help g
04:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*]".
04:18 <Vanhayes> #help google calc
04:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
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04:51 <spidey> toyko drift owns
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06:47 <TitsnAss> luke
06:50 <spidey> ew
06:51 <TitsnAss> shut up spidey
06:51 <spidey> nah
06:54 <TitsnAss> wat?
06:54 <TitsnAss> why do you always have to be a fag?
06:54 <spidey> could ask you the same
06:54 <spidey> :)
06:55 <TitsnAss> rofl
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07:25 <TitsnAss> yo
07:25 <TitsnAss> wheres lukee
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07:25 <TitsnAss> :>
07:25 <TitsnAss> :<
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07:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I am? O_o
07:53 <wrtlprnft> #morning
07:53 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Insufficient facts always invite danger. || -- Spock, "Space Seed", stardate 3141.9
07:54 <wrtlprnft> am not.
07:54 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/AUTHORS?revision=4653&view=markup
07:54 <wrtlprnft> 13 Mathias Plichta wrtlprnft
08:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the version spec needs reworking :(
08:05 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: as of now you don't know if author/some-map-1-2.aamap.xml is "some-map" version "1-2" or "some-map-1" version "2"...
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/93 <--- does my picture show for any of you guys?
08:17 <spidey> anyone know anything about movies?
08:17 <spidey> avi mostly
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> ask luke, he knows everything
08:17 <spidey> hahah
08:18 <spidey> as much as i liked that
08:18 <spidey> i'll have to pass ;D
08:18 <spidey> i think it's a currupt copy
08:18 <spidey> but may be my div3 codecs
08:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5879 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added output of map settings to detail pages.
08:19 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:19 <spidey> lemme note
08:20 <spidey> don't download movies that say "very good quality"
08:20 <spidey> because they usually suck
08:20 <spidey> and are currupt
08:20 <spidey> so download the ones that say "shit quality >.<
08:21 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5880 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added missing handler for endElement
08:21 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I need a blue screen :(
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> hey, now that my wife's cleaned out the garage, maybe I can make one in there :)
08:22 <spidey> LOL
08:23 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5881 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: whoops, forgot a closing table tag
08:23 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:23 <wrtlprnft> that's what i hate about this svn way
08:23 <wrtlprnft> a commit for every small change, and i can't really test locally
08:24 <spidey> http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/626/ownedum4.jpg
08:24 <spidey> and yes those links at the top actually work
08:24 * spidey loves that you can set a html as the background
08:24 <spidey> x
08:24 <spidey> ;x
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> wow spidey, that desktop almost looks good
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> too bad it's got all that XP junk on it
08:26 <spidey> ;x
08:26 <spidey> actually
08:26 <spidey> that's my next step
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> taking off XP and putting LInux?
08:26 <spidey> i'll do it tomorrow
08:26 <spidey> no
08:26 <spidey> linux goes on a 30 gig partition
08:26 <spidey> when i feel like making it
08:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5882 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Made thumbnail alt texts give out a bit less information about the internal server structrure
08:27 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
08:27 * Lucifer_arma thinks he should dedicate 20 minutes a week to working on his site's css file
08:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the preview map browser now is a real reason to upload your resources to the repository
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> ? I care?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> should, if you want people finding and using your maps
08:37 <wrtlprnft> #later tell nemo* http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml <-- that a bug of the resource previewer?
08:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:41 * Lucifer_arma notes he doesn't have a server anymore, and when he did, he used his own server for his maps
08:42 <wrtlprnft> well
08:42 <wrtlprnft> if you still have the maps now would be a perfect time to add them
08:42 <wrtlprnft> so others can use them
08:43 <wrtlprnft> weren't you the one who complained about the missing sharing mentality in here?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> they would still go on my server
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, the people who authored the maps can do whatever they want with them, always have been able to do that
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, there's a thread in the Breakfast forum that contains all the maps I've ever run, except for the most recent
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't write most of the maps my server's run, they came from people who played on my server
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, what I didn't say when I said I ws going to bring the sound engine to a certain milestone and then reevaluate my involvement here was that in the meantime,
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm cutting 99% of my involvement
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm going to work on the sound engine, and if someone says "hey, we need an admin here" I'll jump in, otherwise, I'm doing other things
08:49 <wrtlprnft> :S
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I would say there's a 60% probability someone will respond to a post of mine on the forums in the next 6 months and say "They all come back"
09:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5883 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: The uploader should now generate previews.
09:02 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5884 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: fixed parser errors
09:06 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
09:06 <wrtlprnft> gah
09:07 <wrtlprnft> looks like the suid bit disappeared
09:08 <wrtlprnft> -rw-r--r-- 1 armagetronad armagetronad 8439 Aug 1 07:07 /var/www/armagetron/beta/htdocs/add-resource/upload.suid-php
09:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can you fix it please? ;)
09:12 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
09:12 <wrtlprnft> o_O
09:12 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!! | Happy Swiss National Day!
09:13 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
09:13 <wrtlprnft> nothing more about blaming Luke-Jr? aww.
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09:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning everyone
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> Bottle Rockets is considered "alternative", but Overkill is listed under "blues"
09:44 * Lucifer_arma thinks his mp3 collection needs serious reorganizing
09:44 * Lucifer_arma thinks the reason there's "Black Metal", "Death Metal", "Thrash Metal", etc, is so some metalheads can say they like more than just metal.
10:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5885 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: Changed folder icon, it now shows a sumo map on the sheet of paper in it
10:03 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:03 <wrtlprnft> argh
10:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: Argh, forgot to crop the image again (i had it on a bigger canvas while editing)
10:04 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:05 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: fake commit, the updater didn't work (again)
10:05 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:06 <CIA-1234> ...
10:06 <CIA-1234> still won't work
10:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5886 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/folder_orange.png: fake commit, the updater didn't work (again, another time)
10:07 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:07 <CIA-1234> wtf...
10:08 * CIA-1234 gives up
10:08 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind if i add a command #exechandler so you can execute existing handlers manually?
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind at all
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> beats the hell out of running the revision number up
10:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the last two weren't actual commits
10:11 <wrtlprnft> i just went into #commits and wrote them
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh right, because armabot doesn't filter on hostmask yet
10:11 <spidey> gimme ideas for a domain name >.<
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, davefancella.com is taken, so you can't have it
10:11 <spidey> haha
10:12 <wrtlprnft> i-suck-ass-because-im-spidey.org?
10:12 <spidey> hmm
10:12 <spidey> i think i'll register wrtlprnft-sucks-donkey-nuts.cc
10:22 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #reload CIA
10:22 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5887 /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: New command exechandler executes a handler manually.
10:22 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdater'
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #list plugin
10:23 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'plugin' is not a valid plugin.
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> sure took awhile
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #list CIA
10:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:23 <wrtlprnft> wtf
10:23 <wrtlprnft> my new command is missing :S
10:25 <spidey> i love my desktop ;x
10:25 <spidey> now to install php and use it instead of javascript
10:25 <spidey> hmm
10:26 <spidey> maybe i'll disable the system bar
10:26 <spidey> and make one
10:26 <spidey> that'd own
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: #reload CIA
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:26 <spidey> #unload wrtlprnft
10:26 <wrtlprnft> ack
10:26 <armabot> spidey: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:26 <spidey> :/
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not yet, the commit message went amiss
10:26 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:27 <CIA-1234> uh, i think i broke it
10:27 <CIA-1234> it doesn't show anything anymor
10:27 <CIA-1234> e
10:28 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:28 <wrtlprnft> i guess you need to take a look at it Lucifer_arma :( I'm not a python guy
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i might have broken the part that checks with handlers should be executedc
10:31 <wrtlprnft> since I had to factor the executing part into its own function
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #list CIA
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #runhandler
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (runhandler <shortname>) -- Executes the handler given by shortname manually.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> #runhandler commitnotify
10:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler armabotupdate
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdate not found. Sorry.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler armabotupdater
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> the problem was that you named the method "exechandler", and "execHandler" was already taken
10:32 <wrtlprnft> it isn't case sensitive?
10:33 <wrtlprnft> darn you python
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
10:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm, let me fix that
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's weird where method names aren't case sensitive but everything else is
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, svn update and continue :)
10:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: can you do svn update for the bot again?
10:35 <wrtlprnft> and reload
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> #reload
10:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (reload <plugin>) -- Unloads and subsequently reloads the plugin by name; use the 'list' command to see a list of the currently loaded plugins.
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdater
10:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdater not found. Sorry.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
10:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
10:36 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, can you post the error? ;)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/utils/python.py", line 62, in g
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> f(self, *args, **kwargs)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/callbacks.py", line 1156, in callCommand
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> method(irc, msg, *args, **kwargs)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/commands.py", line 906, in newf
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> f(self, irc, msg, args, *state.args, **state.kwargs)
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> File "/home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins/CIA/plugin.py", line 103, in runhandler
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> execHandler(irc, shortname)
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> self.execHandler!
10:37 <wrtlprnft> i NEED to do self.*?
10:37 <wrtlprnft> gah
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> just like php wants you to do $this->
10:38 * Lucifer_arma has grown to prefer that over C++'s hopelessly confusing way
10:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: svn update again :S
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:39 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:39 <wrtlprnft> x_x
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> self.execHandler(irc, shortname)
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> File "/home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins/CIA/plugin.py", line 166, in execHandler
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> responseString = str(self.actions[shortname][2]).replace("$message", text)
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> NameError: global name 'text' is not defined
10:40 <wrtlprnft> ack
10:41 <wrtlprnft> next time I'll reincarnate wrtlbot again :s
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to bed soon, so you'll probably need to do that anyway
10:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, let's do another try...
10:43 <wrtlprnft> update and reload please :S
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> #reload CIA
10:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:44 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
10:44 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
10:44 <wrtlprnft> !
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> that sure returned quick
10:45 -!- You're now known as CIA-1234
10:45 <CIA-1234> armagetronad: armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5887
10:45 <CIA-1234> ack
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrong channel
10:45 <armabot> armagetronad: /support/armabot/trunk/plugins/CIA/plugin.py: test
10:45 <armabot> Executed 'armabotupdater'
10:45 <CIA-1234> YES!
10:45 <CIA-1234> ok, thanks
10:46 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> you sure it actually works?
10:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
10:46 <wrtlprnft> it updated aabeta, anyways
10:46 <wrtlprnft> look at http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/folder_orange.png
10:47 <wrtlprnft> it's cropped now and wasn't before
10:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5893 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Should print the number of axes on the detail page now.
10:52 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
10:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5894 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: fixed call to undefined function
10:53 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5895 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added hilighted source to detail pages
11:14 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:17 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5896 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hmm, hilighting isn't that effective... reveted to just printing the contents unhilighted.
11:17 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:18 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
11:18 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
11:20 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5897 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Some more stylesheet goodness
11:20 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:24 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5898 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Again more styles.
11:24 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:25 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5899 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/style.css: Waaaay less padding
11:25 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:50 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5900 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Added resource tag information to the detail page and links to other versions of the same file.
11:50 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5901 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed HTML mistake
11:52 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5902 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php style.css): fixed styles, they were applied to the wrong list
11:53 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
11:53 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5903 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed typo: '-' instead of '.'
11:55 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
11:55 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i think I'm happy with it :)
12:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5904 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Opps, forgot a slash. It still worked, but made inefficient use of the browser cache.
12:00 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/ <--- ok, go check it out now, lots of work done. :) No new content, though.
12:16 <wrtlprnft> looks nice
12:17 * wrtlprnft clicks on a few google ads
12:17 <wrtlprnft> there's ads for boks by douglas adams in there :S
12:18 <wrtlprnft> i wonder what got google to put them there ;)
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably the banner I was running for a while for Towel Day :)
12:29 <wrtlprnft> aaah
12:30 <wrtlprnft> then it makes sense
12:30 <wrtlprnft> interestingly i see german ads
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> google checks country now
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> I get ads for stuff here in Austin on other sites (the adsense module I'm using now hides google ads from me so I don't get false impressions while viewing my own site)
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, maybe after my test tomorrow I'll start the store pages. I've got a cafepress store, never sold anything, and I think I haven't sold anything because I haven't tried.
12:37 * Lucifer_arma is going to bed, 'night
12:37 * wrtlprnft doesn't have a credit card
12:37 <wrtlprnft> night
12:37 * wrtlprnft hates darn US- american sites you can't order anything from without one of these plastic things
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_width
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_WIDTH: The width of the cycle collision object. It can only squeeze through tunnels wider than that without taking harm. (default: 0) || CYCLE_WIDTH_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX: If the cycle_width conditions are massively violated, use up this much rubber.If set to 1, the rubber usage rate is the same as if you were sitting in (2 more messages)
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #more
12:56 <wrtlprnft> #more
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: front of a wall. (default: 1) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MAX_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_rubber_max_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MIN: If the cycle_width conditions are barely violated, use up this much rubber.If set to 1, the rubber usage rate is the same as if you were sitting in front of a wall. (default: 1) || CYCLE_WIDTH_RUBBER_MIN_OVERRIDE: (1 more message)
12:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cycle_width_rubber_min_override_help (default: 3) || CYCLE_WIDTH_SIDE: Minimum distance of a cycle to a wall on either side before it takes harm. (default: 0) || CYCLE_WIDTH_SIDE_OVERRIDE: cycle_width_side_override_help (default: 3)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> there's more config to that than i thought
12:58 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_delay_do
12:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_help (default: 1) || CYCLE_DELAY_DOUBLEBIND_BONUS_OVERRIDE: cycle_delay_doublebind_bonus_override_help (default: 3)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> ack, helpstrings still missing
13:41 <spidey> when will people learn
13:41 <spidey> there's a way to wake someone up in the morning
13:41 <spidey> yelling there name over and over in a annoying voice
13:41 <spidey> isn't one
13:52 * wrtlprnft yells spidey's name over and over in an annoying voice
13:52 <spidey> i'll tell you like i told her
13:52 <wrtlprnft> spiiideeey! spiiiiiideeeyyyyy! SPIDEY! WAKE UP!
13:52 <spidey> shut the fuck up
13:52 <spidey> ;x
13:54 <spidey> what's javas exec(); ?
13:58 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=1479 lol
14:12 <spidey> maybe i shouldn't read the tron forums ;D
14:13 <spidey> i'm so tempted to "attack" scope
14:13 <spidey> ;x
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14:18 <mathot> ?
14:19 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:19 <linuxlizzard> ?
14:19 <mathot> :-)
14:19 <linuxlizzard> X)
14:19 <mathot> My usb drive crahed today
14:19 <mathot> *crashed
14:19 <mathot> I was about to make a backup :(
14:20 <linuxlizzard> heh
14:20 <mathot> I save everything on it (or I used to).
14:21 * mathot wonders how to change his quit message
14:21 <linuxlizzard> well if your in xchat the settings menu :P
14:22 <linuxlizzard> or you could just do /quit your message here
14:22 <mathot> wrtlprnft says it contains an add
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14:23 <linuxlizzard> I see, yes it does
14:24 <mathot> oops I typed / quit
14:24 <mathot> s:-D
14:24 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:24 <mathot> no idea where that comes from
14:24 * mathot is a IRC noob
14:24 <wrtlprnft> mathot: change your quit message :S
14:24 <mathot> *an
14:24 <linuxlizzard> I think he's trying :P
14:24 <mathot> no idea how
14:24 * wrtlprnft hates IRC clients that put ads to where users can't see them
14:25 <mathot> maybe i can, but I just do not know
14:25 <wrtlprnft> it's somewhere in the account settings
14:25 <mathot> what does it say?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> i used gaim on windows once
14:26 <wrtlprnft> i don't have gaim on this machine, sorry
14:26 <mathot> but what is the message you see, then it is easyer to look it up for me
14:26 <spidey> Quits: mathot (n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl) ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"]
14:26 <spidey> [07:24] ���� ( � ) Joins: mathot (n=math
14:27 <mathot> got it I think
14:27 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:27 <linuxlizzard> erm notr really...
14:27 <linuxlizzard> at least that last time you quit
14:28 <mathot> I quit again, to try
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14:28 <wrtlprnft> yay
14:28 <linuxlizzard> w00t
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14:28 <linuxlizzard> he did the second time
14:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ���� ( � ) Parts: mathot (n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl)
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ( wrtlprnft ) +yay
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ( linuxlizzard ) +w00t
14:28 <spidey> [07:29] ���� ( � ) Quits: wrtlprnft (n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240) ["wussed out and left"]
14:29 <spidey> mat's didn't change yet ;p
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14:29 <linuxlizzard> ah
14:29 <spidey> he used /part instead of /quit
14:29 <mathot> better?
14:29 <mathot> oops
14:29 <mathot> ok once more
14:29 <spidey> :p
14:29 -!- mathot [n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["I'm off, cu :-)"]
14:29 <linuxlizzard> there we go
14:29 <spidey> there ya go ;x
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14:29 <mathot> better?
14:29 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:30 <spidey> ya
14:30 <mathot> Ok :-)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> 14:29 -!- mathot [n=mathot@ip51cf01d5.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["I'm off, cu :-)"]
14:30 <mathot> never looked at those setting b4
14:30 <spidey> i have a ton of movies to watch
14:30 <spidey> but don't feel like watching them
14:30 <mathot> lol
14:30 <spidey> i downloaded 9.45 gigs worth
14:31 <spidey> >.<
14:31 <mathot> I have none, and I don't feel like watching movies either
14:31 <mathot> :P
14:31 <spidey> i have
14:31 <spidey> sec
14:31 <wrtlprnft> find / -name '*.wmv' -exec rm -f {} \;
14:31 <spidey> i have 80
14:31 <spidey> snf 5 downloading
14:32 <spidey> wrtlprnft that won't do any good
14:32 <spidey> all my movies are .avi
14:32 <spidey> ;x
14:32 <mathot> "find / -name '*.wmv' -exec rm -f {} \;" ?
14:32 <wrtlprnft> well, at least not .wmv bs
14:32 <wrtlprnft> mathot: unix command
14:32 <mathot> ok thx
14:32 <wrtlprnft> removes all files ending in .wmv
14:32 <spidey> hmm
14:32 <mathot> lol
14:32 <mathot> rm
14:32 <spidey> i think i'll make a debian partition now
14:33 <spidey> since i'm in a bad mood i'll take it out on my harddrive
14:33 <mathot> I was thinking about IRC command
14:34 * mathot is still on windows allthough he hates it (soemtimes)
14:34 <mathot> *some
14:34 <spidey> i don't hate it or dislike it
14:34 <wrtlprnft> try to compile arma on it and you'll hate it more
14:34 <spidey> but i prefer linux if it ran my games >.<
14:35 <mathot> I would prefer Linux if it ran on my hardware and ran my other sofware
14:35 * wrtlprnft hopes ph will come home from work soon
14:35 <spidey> it will
14:35 <spidey> use wine aslong as it's not a game
14:35 <wrtlprnft> i want him to stop the trunk from crashing all the time :S
14:35 <spidey> rumor is the new release of wine will run hl2 and someother game perfectly
14:36 <spidey> but that doesn't mean it'll run all games good
14:36 <spidey> so i'll test first :>
14:36 <mathot> I never play games (well only arma :P )
14:36 <wrtlprnft> it's mostly directx that you can't use without the help of some other commerical software
14:36 <wrtlprnft> wine runs arma just fine
14:36 <wrtlprnft> you just can't run the dedicated sever on it
14:36 <linuxlizzard> cept why would you want to ;)
14:36 <mathot> lol
14:37 <spidey> um
14:37 <spidey> i got a question
14:37 <mathot> ok
14:37 <wrtlprnft> oh, that was part of some crosscompiling experiment
14:37 <spidey> why run arma on wine? :D
14:37 <spidey> oh
14:37 <mathot> lol\
14:37 <wrtlprnft> we wanted to compile a windows version of arma from a linux machine
14:37 <spidey> ah
14:37 <wrtlprnft> and we had no windows machine, so how would we test if the exe actually works?
14:38 <mathot> good reason
14:38 <wrtlprnft> we still didn't get the client to run tho
14:38 * spidey has a windows box with vnc and rdp all you gotta do is ask for the password ;x
14:38 <spidey> it runs two servers and usually does nothing
14:38 <wrtlprnft> the server runs on wine, but won't accept connections, it runs fine on native windows
14:38 <spidey> hmm
14:39 * wrtlprnft doesn't have a vnc client
14:39 <spidey> you probably do
14:39 <spidey> kde menu > internet > connection > remote desktop
14:39 * wrtlprnft thinks vnc is something for people who don't have the goodness of x11
14:39 <spidey> vnc:/ip
14:39 <linuxlizzard> eeww kde
14:40 <spidey> what's x11 and accessing a remote computer got to do with anything?
14:40 <wrtlprnft> ewwwwww gnome/gtk/whatever gs
14:40 <wrtlprnft> *bs
14:40 <spidey> fluxbox owns them all
14:40 <linuxlizzard> hells ya
14:40 <wrtlprnft> you use ssh and forward X11
14:40 <spidey> .....
14:40 <spidey> you said
14:40 <linuxlizzard> how can you hate gtk for its clean librarys
14:41 <spidey> "we didn't have a windows box to test on"
14:41 <spidey> i said "i got a spare one with vnc"
14:41 <spidey> you're off topic man!
14:41 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:41 <mathot> lol
14:41 <linuxlizzard> ok fine
14:41 <wrtlprnft> gtk looks stupid, isn't any faster than qt, and has a stupid API
14:41 <linuxlizzard> would ssh work with ncurses...
14:41 <wrtlprnft> sure
14:41 <linuxlizzard> looks stupid? ha
14:41 <linuxlizzard> thats gewd
14:42 <wrtlprnft> cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig works anyways
14:42 <spidey> i hope microsoft can make vista more stable and less resource demanding
14:42 <linuxlizzard> I see
14:42 <spidey> it'll be the perfect os for someone like me
14:42 <spidey> it has a unix subsystem ;x
14:42 <wrtlprnft> i hope bush can make the world more peaceful and have less problems
14:42 <linuxlizzard> about time
14:43 <linuxlizzard> haha
14:43 <mathot> <off topic>any of you experience with recovering data from a crashed usb drive? Would restoring the mbr help? (it seems unformatted suddenly)
14:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft isn't that what he's doing?
14:43 <wrtlprnft> no clue, sorry
14:43 <mathot> np
14:43 <spidey> mathot format it
14:43 <mathot> But I would like to recover the data
14:43 <spidey> then, if you're ok with pirated software, get a data recovery app
14:43 <wrtlprnft> use a big magnet to enhance the magnetic readout on it
14:44 <spidey> haha
14:44 <mathot> lol
14:44 <mathot> Ok, I tried the big magnet, but ...
14:44 <spidey> !?
14:44 <wrtlprnft> >.<
14:44 <spidey> that'll whipe a drive >.<
14:44 <mathot> Not an usb drive I think
14:44 <wrtlprnft> <.>
14:44 <spidey> .....
14:44 <mathot> Not that it helps
14:45 <wrtlprnft> v.v
14:45 <wrtlprnft> ^.^
14:45 <spidey> they're made basically the same
14:45 <mathot> i mean,
14:45 <spidey> only usb uses usb to connect to the computer
14:45 <spidey> ide uses ide, besides that they're the same
14:45 <mathot> Well it's usb, but it is not a normal drive
14:45 <mathot> not sure the English name
14:45 <spidey> ?
14:46 <mathot> It's an USB stick?
14:46 <spidey> oh
14:46 <spidey> flash memory?
14:46 <mathot> It's not magnetic
14:46 <mathot> Yep
14:46 <mathot> I think so anyway
14:46 <wrtlprnft> ack
14:46 <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:46 <wrtlprnft> if it's a stick it's flash
14:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:46 <spidey> ya ya
14:47 <spidey> i'm still tired
14:47 <mathot> So I should call it a flash drive?
14:47 <spidey> no
14:47 <spidey> call it flash memory
14:47 <mathot> Ok, thx
14:47 <mathot> Flash memory, flash memory, flash memory
14:47 <wrtlprnft> call it a usb stick and everyone will know what you mean
14:48 <spidey> [05:47] ( wrtlprnft ) +spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:48 <mathot> ?ot everybody
14:48 <spidey> where the hell you get that from?
14:48 <spidey> [05:47] ( spidey ) flash memory?
14:48 <spidey> that's all i said
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 14:46 <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:48 <wrtlprnft> 14:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's a flashdrive
14:48 <mathot> Whatever I say, I am sure not "everyone will know ..." :P
14:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft
14:49 <spidey> i don't see where i said that
14:49 <wrtlprnft> spidey
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --from spidey --with "then it's not a drive"
14:50 <mathot> Well, it is a stick and it is memory. :P
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [07:47:55] <spidey> then it's not a drive :p
14:50 <spidey> pwn
14:50 <wrtlprnft> call it a memory stick :P
14:50 <spidey> i did!!!!
14:50 <mathot> Ok :-)
14:50 <spidey> [05:47] ( spidey ) flash memory?
14:50 <spidey> i never said flashdrive
14:50 <spidey> or either i'm going blind
14:50 <spidey> >.<
14:51 <mathot> You just said it spidey :P
14:51 <spidey> :/
14:51 <wrtlprnft> "device using some fancy nonmechanic and nonmagnetic technology to store large numbers of bits, acceeible via an universal serial bus"
14:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft pastebin
14:51 <mathot> "i never said flashdrive"
14:51 <wrtlprnft> i should get a patent on that
14:51 <mathot> b4
14:51 <wrtlprnft> mathot: i know
14:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey: you said it's not a drive then
14:52 <wrtlprnft> i said it's a flashDRIVE
14:52 <spidey> gtrrrr
14:52 <spidey> i'm going back to bed
14:52 <wrtlprnft> good
14:52 <linuxlizzard> hehe
14:52 <spidey> ok
14:52 <spidey> for that comment
14:52 <spidey> i'm staying up
14:52 <mathot> lol
14:52 <wrtlprnft> x_x
14:52 <wrtlprnft> good
14:53 <spidey> not gonna work
14:53 <spidey> ;x
14:53 * mathot is confused now though :P
14:53 <spidey> ok
14:53 <spidey> a "flash drive" is a stick
14:54 <spidey> a external harddrive is a harddrive in a case
14:54 <spidey> flash drives are like big pins
14:54 <mathot> Ok ok
14:54 <spidey> well
14:54 <spidey> huge pins
14:54 <spidey> but ohwell
14:54 <mathot> I got a flahs drive then
14:54 <mathot> *flash
14:55 <mathot> (I know hwat it all is, just not what it is called in English)
14:55 <mathot> Not even in Dutch :P
14:56 <spidey> ok
14:56 <spidey> just so you know
14:56 <spidey> anytime you're wondering about something like that
14:57 <mathot> Yeah, thx for that
14:57 <spidey> don't ask Luke-Jr he'll only confuse you
14:57 <spidey> ;D
14:57 <mathot> lol
14:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr will only tell you flash drives are obsolete and will be replaced by his allround wonder tCode :P
14:58 <spidey> haha
14:58 <mathot> :-)
14:58 <mathot> Everything is obsolete ;-)
14:58 <spidey> #Luke-Jr what is a flash drive
14:59 <spidey> we need a plugin like that that responds with some bullshit ;D
14:59 <mathot> Unless the universe is finite of course.
14:59 <wrtlprnft> don't wakespam him too much or he won't read the wakes i sent him earlier
14:59 <spidey> lol
15:00 <mathot> Is arma coded in C ? (++)
15:00 <wrtlprnft> c++
15:01 <spidey> [06:01] ( wrtlprnft ) +c++
15:01 <spidey> haha
15:01 <spidey> my client's so messed up
15:01 <spidey> it shows - and +
15:01 <spidey> for somereason
15:01 <spidey> #check wrtlprnft
15:01 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "wrtlprnft": teleprinter and rattlebrained.
15:01 <mathot> Well, my "Hello world" script runs fine in C++ too :P
15:01 <wrtlprnft> -++--+-+---++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
15:02 <wrtlprnft> script?
15:02 <spidey> hahahahahahah@rattlebrianed
15:02 <spidey> #dict rattlebrained
15:02 <wrtlprnft> #help check
15:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (check <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "unix spell $*".
15:02 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Rattle-brained \Rat"tle-brained`\ (r[a^]t"t'l*br[=a]nd`), a. Giddy; rattle-headed. [1913 Webster]; wn: rattlebrained adj : lacking sense or discretion; "his rattlebrained crackpot ideas"; "how rattlepated I am! I've forgotten what I came for"- Glenway Westcott [syn: {rattlepated}, {scatterbrained}, {scatty}]; moby-thes: 36 Moby (2 more messages)
15:02 <mathot> (I only know php)
15:02 <wrtlprnft> php steals quite a bit frm C
15:02 <wrtlprnft> not that much from c++ tho
15:03 <spidey> i don't really know that much about any language
15:03 <wrtlprnft> the class stuff is totally different
15:03 <spidey> only what i've learned from reading
15:03 <mathot> PHP strals a lot from many languages
15:03 <spidey> which is python,php,and c++
15:03 <spidey> so i can only edit things and make them do what i want
15:03 <wrtlprnft> http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/contents.html <-- improve your knowlege of c++ :)
15:03 * spidey bookmarks it
15:03 * mathot copies link location
15:03 <mathot> lol
15:04 <spidey> ;x
15:04 <wrtlprnft> heh, you can see how my attempts on writing python end up
15:04 <wrtlprnft> i broke armabot a few hours ago
15:04 <mathot> I was considering ROR
15:04 <spidey> lol
15:04 <mathot> RoR*
15:04 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is ror
15:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ror: nothing appropriate
15:04 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia ror
15:04 <mathot> lol
15:05 <mathot> Ruby on Rails
15:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.64 seconds: Ruby on Rails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_on_Rails>; WROR-FM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WROR>; ROR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROR>; Ruby on Rails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Web_Service>; (2 more messages)
15:05 <mathot> :-)
15:05 <wrtlprnft> nemo will love you if you write ruby
15:05 <mathot> Why?
15:06 <wrtlprnft> his scripts are ruby
15:06 * mathot does not know nemo
15:06 <wrtlprnft> nemosultae
15:06 <mathot> ok :-)
15:06 <mathot> does not ring a bell, but that is probably just me
15:06 <wrtlprnft> his previewer is base for http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource
15:07 <wrtlprnft> check ed/fortress
15:07 * mathot copies link location ;-)
15:09 * mathot whishes he was born a little later
15:09 * mathot *whised
15:09 * mathot whished
15:09 <mathot> spffft
15:09 <wrtlprnft> nemo's mostly on the forums it seems
15:12 <mathot> We had some really huge "typewriters" and we had to write "Hello world" on that. But it hurted to type more than 10 characters on it.
15:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5906 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Settings table is now only shown if there are settings
15:12 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5907 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: A missing dot.
15:12 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:13 <wrtlprnft> :)
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15:46 * [Xpert]DarkStar loves his stereo
15:49 <mathot> does not
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16:33 <madmax|pt> "who killed bugfarm?"
16:33 <linuxlizzard> hey joe
16:33 <DrJoeTron> yo
16:33 <linuxlizzard> guess whos on irc
16:34 <linuxlizzard> that right, its the gopher
16:34 <DrJoeTron> lucifer?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> :p
16:34 <linuxlizzard> hehe
16:34 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
16:34 <DrJoeTron> how is the gopher been
16:34 <linuxlizzard> fine it seems :)
16:34 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:34 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
16:34 <linuxlizzard> >-;;,ccc3
16:35 <linuxlizzard> idk if can get him to play tron... but we will see
16:40 <DrJoeTron> iss cool, i gotta go back to school soon
16:41 <linuxlizzard> hehe
16:42 <spidey> school sucks
16:44 <mathot> everything sucks
16:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah fuck school
16:47 <DrJoeTron> who needs it
16:49 <mathot> Well it depends
16:50 <mathot> School is nice for parents :P
16:50 <mathot> *very*
16:50 <DrJoeTron> hehehe
16:51 <DrJoeTron> i gotta beg a director to let me take a placement exam
16:51 <DrJoeTron> again
16:51 <DrJoeTron> since i switched majors, i actuallyhave to to good
16:51 <spidey> man
16:52 <spidey> someone's gonna get fuckin hurt
16:52 <spidey> specially if my dogs die
16:52 <spidey> someone keeps coming over and letting one of my labs off the leash
16:52 <spidey> anyone know a good webcam recorder?
16:52 <spidey> i'ma set my other computer up in the other room with the webcam and point it out the window
16:52 <spidey> >.<
16:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you there? Resource uploading is still broken :(
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16:59 <Your_mom_arma> #news
16:59 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
17:00 <Your_mom_arma> so i saw alex and inf on the grid, it made me laugh
17:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: I see you like the user page bragging format
17:00 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:01 <wrtlprnft> the two that insulted each other on the wiki?
17:01 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:01 <wrtlprnft> what'd they do?
17:01 <DrJoeTron> oho ohh link
17:02 <wrtlprnft> i know what they did on the wiki
17:02 <wrtlprnft> what happened on the grid?
17:02 <DrJoeTron> but i dont :D
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14246&oldid=14237
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14247&oldid=14246
17:03 <Your_mom_arma> "mom i see you declined to reply to infamous' post on the wiki"alex "i laughed at it, its funny"me
17:03 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14248&oldid=14247
17:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=International_Tron_World_Cup&diff=14249&oldid=14248
17:04 <Your_mom_arma> that was before inf came in
17:05 <Your_mom_arma> after that alex tried to coerce inf ito telling me off which i guess he had done previusly
17:05 <wrtlprnft> my laptop is making weird noises
17:05 <Your_mom_arma> into*
17:05 <wrtlprnft> and the noise changes if i press certain keys
17:06 <Your_mom_arma> "its done with"-inf then inf spent the rest of the game trying to kill me
17:06 <wrtlprnft> well
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that's the point of the game, right?
17:06 <Your_mom_arma> i just thought it was funny
17:07 <wrtlprnft> it is, but not the trying to kill part
17:07 <Your_mom_arma> they didnt do anything wrong it just made me laugh
17:08 <Your_mom_arma> they just seemed generally pissed off at me
17:09 <Your_mom_arma> i dont know why it made me laugh
17:09 <Your_mom_arma> i still think its funny
17:11 <DrJoeTron> lizzard, updated the wiki, added you and the pot
17:11 <linuxlizzard> w00t X)
17:13 <Your_mom_arma> joe http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Talk:International_Tron_World_Cup&curid=2663&diff=14375&oldid=14243
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> i hate that noise
17:14 <DrJoeTron> ohh this is cute
17:14 <wrtlprnft> if i press tab it gets really loud
17:14 <DrJoeTron> lizzard http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Servers#The_Lobster_Cage.2C_The_Lobster_Tub.2C_and_The_Lobster_Pot
17:15 <DrJoeTron> fucking minidisc player
17:16 <DrJoeTron> why would they not put an ac plug
17:16 <DrJoeTron> fucking jerks
17:17 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:17 <DrJoeTron> i need a brand new battery if i wnt to burn music
17:17 <DrJoeTron> why would you do such a thing
17:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah, no wonder why minidisc FAILED
17:18 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:19 <DrJoeTron> now i gotta get 20 bucks for a train ticket
17:19 <DrJoeTron> does joe have what it takes to step up to the plate?
17:21 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl i like the resource browser but whats with the "crazylines" preview?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it's an issue of the previewer
17:23 <wrtlprnft> crazylines is a 20x20 map
17:23 <wrtlprnft> and it scales up everything, including line widths and arrow sizes
17:24 <Your_mom_arma> oh
17:24 <wrtlprnft> the previewer is programmed by nemo, so he would have to fix it
17:24 <wrtlprnft> i just made the browser out of it
17:25 <wrtlprnft> and some of SD's maps have weird lines in them
17:25 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml
17:25 <wrtlprnft> dunno where they come from
17:26 <Your_mom_arma> why is stonehenge in eds folder?
17:26 <Your_mom_arma> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress
17:27 <wrtlprnft> he transformed it into a fortress map
17:27 <wrtlprnft> it's one of the random choices for CTWF
17:27 <Compn> fortress stonehenge? :)
17:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:27 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.2.aamap.xml
17:27 <Compn> now i wanna play it :P
17:27 <Vanhayes> that would be intense
17:28 <wrtlprnft> he cut out some stones and the altar in the middle and made it symmetric
17:28 <wrtlprnft> just play on CTWF, you have a ~20% chance to see it
17:28 <wrtlprnft> in one match
17:28 <Compn> Vanhayes : styball needs something new... something to make it interesting, like sumo zones players have to stay in, making it more like soccer, no offsides!
17:28 <Compn> make the users defense and jazz :)
17:29 <Vanhayes> is styball back up?
17:29 <Compn> no idea
17:29 <Compn> i'm just sayin
17:29 <wrtlprnft> how would Vanhayes change styball?
17:29 <Vanhayes> lol
17:29 <Compn> wrtlprnft : i'm asking his opinion
17:29 <wrtlprnft> afaik pig didn't even publish the source yet
17:29 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:29 <Compn> and penalty kicks would be fun too
17:29 <Compn> if someone gets core dumped
17:29 <Compn> lol
17:30 <Vanhayes> ya if someone dies there should be a penalty time limit untill they can be respawned
17:30 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:30 <Vanhayes> bah
17:31 <wrtlprnft> it's not working more often than it is working
17:32 <DrJoeTron> time to try to test,
17:32 <Vanhayes> probly all thoes LOL people using those damn characters
17:32 <wrtlprnft> those shouldn't hurt
17:32 <wrtlprnft> #help armaservers
17:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (armaservers [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armaservers at the RSS feed <http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverrss.php>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
17:33 <Compn> rss = backwards way the internet was made for
17:33 <DrJoeTron> #f
17:33 <armabot> Random Fortune: "`The best way to get a drink out of a Vogon is to stick || your finger down his throat...'" || - The Book, on one of the Vogon's social inadequacies.
17:33 <Vanhayes> #i
17:33 <Vanhayes> hmm
17:33 <Vanhayes> #list alias
17:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
17:33 <DrJoeTron> #i
17:33 <Vanhayes> #insight
17:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: The reckless decay of new technologies will destabilize our children's human condition.
17:34 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
17:34 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:28 AM, March 29, 2006)
17:34 <Vanhayes> #q
17:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
17:34 <Vanhayes> #google Okgo
17:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.22 seconds: OK Go: <http://www.okgo.net/>; OK Go - video: <http://www.okgo.net/video.asp>; www.myspace.com/ okgo: <http://www.myspace.com/okgo>; OK Go: <http://thewilltorock.blogspot.com/>; Amazon.com: OK Go : Music: <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006I0BD?v=glance>; DOMAIN NAMES Programming Website Hosting Domain Registration: (1 more message)
17:35 <Your_mom_arma> its from the ping pong instuctional video
17:36 <Vanhayes> there is a ping pong instructional video?
17:36 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
17:37 <Your_mom_arma> the first link from google click on video and its the bottom of the page
17:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml why does his map have randomly negative points
17:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i have no clue
17:38 <wrtlprnft> SD's race map is like that too
17:38 <wrtlprnft> and not in the preview
17:39 * Your_mom_arma looks at armabell with a grimace
17:39 <Compn> fish guy is in wildfort ;p
17:40 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: ?
17:40 <wrtlprnft> armabell's dead
17:40 <Your_mom_arma> thats what he used
17:40 <wrtlprnft> because iF was too stupid to publish the sources
17:40 <Your_mom_arma> haha
17:40 <wrtlprnft> those negative points are in the map too?
17:41 <Your_mom_arma> x="-272" y="-688" ,yep
17:42 <wrtlprnft> too bad
17:42 <wrtlprnft> the map would have been nice
17:42 <Your_mom_arma> which map?
17:42 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:42 <Your_mom_arma> just making sure
17:43 <wrtlprnft> moment
17:44 <wrtlprnft> it's just the previewer
17:44 <wrtlprnft> if you play the map in arma it's fine
17:44 <wrtlprnft> those exra lines look weird too, the map can't create them
17:45 <Your_mom_arma> i downloaded and messed with armabell and made one map, it makes random coordinates and was hard to use. It had a goofy user interface
17:46 <wrtlprnft> i hope nemo's svg->aamap script will support paths soon
17:46 <wrtlprnft> then it would be a real alternative to gvim
17:46 * wrtlprnft dreams about using inkscape or openoffice.org draw to make maps
17:47 <Your_mom_arma> <Point x="416" y="-688"/> this is where the map glitches in preview on the large square
17:48 <wrtlprnft> that's the bottom-right corner...
17:48 <wrtlprnft> and what's wrong with that?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> my stonehenge map has negative points too
17:50 <wrtlprnft> <Wall height="5">
17:50 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="-176" y="-144"/>
17:50 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="-176" y="-144"/>
17:50 <wrtlprnft> </Wall>
17:50 <wrtlprnft> i guess that might cause the glitches
17:51 <Your_mom_arma> where do you see that?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:51 <wrtlprnft> <Wall height="5">
17:51 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="320" y="-144"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="320" y="-144"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="320" y="-224"/>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> </Wall>
17:51 <wrtlprnft> there too
17:51 <wrtlprnft> it contains lots of double points
17:52 <Your_mom_arma> that might explain it, but then shouldnt all squares cause a problem?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> probably having two identical points directly next to each other
17:53 <wrtlprnft> so it tries to draw a line between them
17:54 <wrtlprnft> and that somehow gets it to draw a line between (0,0) (coordinates of the generated image) and the point
17:54 <wrtlprnft> a weird double line
17:54 <wrtlprnft> it's probably not even nemo's fault, but of the library he uses
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> your right
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> <Wall height="5">
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> <Point x="416" y="-688"/>
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> <Point x="416" y="-688"/>
17:54 <Your_mom_arma> </Wall>
17:55 <Your_mom_arma> corner of the large square has the same point
17:55 * wrtlprnft 's gonna make a regular expression to match that
17:56 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder why none of ed's maps are wierd like this scince he uses armabell
17:57 <wrtlprnft> he does?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:58 <wrtlprnft> ed just fell down in my respect ranking by a big amount
17:58 <Your_mom_arma> heh
17:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ed doesn't even make a lot of his maps
17:59 <wrtlprnft> :%s/^\s*<Point\s*x="\([^"]*\)"\s*y="\([^"]*\)"\s*\/>\s*
17:59 <wrtlprnft> \s*<Point\s*x="s*y=
17:59 <wrtlprnft> "s*\/>\s*$//
17:59 <wrtlprnft> ack
17:59 <Your_mom_arma> haha
18:00 <Your_mom_arma> which maps have those wierd glitches?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> %s/^\s*<Point\s*x="\([^"]*\)"\s*y="\([^"]*\)"\s*\/>\s*
18:00 <wrtlprnft> \s*<Point\s*x="s*y="s*\/>\s*$/
18:00 <wrtlprnft> vive le vim
18:00 <wrtlprnft> replace the newline by a \ n
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just two of the ones SD made
18:01 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml
18:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can you fix the suid on the uploader please?
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18:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: try uploading a resource
18:04 <wrtlprnft> it can't open the log file
18:04 <Luke-Jr> O.o
18:05 <Luke-Jr> what error? I don't have a resource to test with
18:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like my commit broke it
18:05 <wrtlprnft> Filepath identified as: wrtlprnft/test/test-0.0.1.aamap.xml
18:05 <wrtlprnft> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
18:05 <wrtlprnft> consider yourself contacted
18:05 <Luke-Jr> oopps
18:06 <Luke-Jr> ok, try now
18:06 <Luke-Jr> I accidentally chowned the resource dir to myself last night
18:07 <wrtlprnft> works
18:07 <wrtlprnft> just the previews don't get generated still...
18:07 <Luke-Jr> I'd stick a step in there like the CIA step
18:07 <wrtlprnft> i did
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and it is previewing it seems
18:08 <wrtlprnft> system('/var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 128 -y 128 -m 10 -o ' . $preview_pfix . $filepath . ' ' . $repo_pfix . $filepath . '.128x128.png');
18:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:09 <wrtlprnft> $prview_pfix = '/var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/';
18:09 <wrtlprnft> something wrong with that?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> nvm
18:09 <wrtlprnft> i'm stupid
18:09 <Luke-Jr> um!
18:09 <Luke-Jr> please escape $filepath at least
18:10 <wrtlprnft> errm
18:10 <Luke-Jr> in case someday I allow autouploads of title=";; ls"
18:11 <wrtlprnft> there is some checking
18:11 <wrtlprnft> on the top
18:11 <Luke-Jr> only checking for what I allow autouploads of
18:12 <Luke-Jr> not escaping
18:12 <wrtlprnft> true
18:12 <Luke-Jr> how hard is it to wrap escapeshellarg($filepath)
18:12 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5908 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Hopefully fixed resource preview generation
18:12 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:13 <Luke-Jr> what kind of output does that make, BTW?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> quite a mess right now
18:14 <wrtlprnft> i'm changing it
18:14 <wrtlprnft> system() internally calls bash, right?
18:14 <wrtlprnft> so i can put in >/dev/null?
18:14 <Luke-Jr> system calls '/bin/sh'
18:14 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:14 <Luke-Jr> why not use backticks/
18:14 <Luke-Jr> ?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> they exist in php?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> well, why not use system
18:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5909 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Another fix for the preview generation
18:15 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:15 <wrtlprnft> now it should be safe
18:16 <Luke-Jr> or exec might work nicely
18:16 <wrtlprnft> !
18:16 <wrtlprnft> Forbidden
18:16 <wrtlprnft> You don't have permission to access /resource/Self_Destructo/race/race-1.0.1.aamap.xml on this server.
18:16 <wrtlprnft> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
18:16 <Luke-Jr> why not use system? hacks like >/dev/null =p
18:16 <Luke-Jr> O.o
18:16 <wrtlprnft> that's all resources right now
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18:17 <Luke-Jr> wtf
18:17 <wrtlprnft> i can imagine people getting mass- kicked from CT right now
18:17 <spidey_> this is new?
18:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:18 <spidey_> mkzelda
18:18 <spidey_> reset my password again
18:18 <Luke-Jr> CT doesn't use it right now
18:18 <spidey_> stupid thing keeps denying me
18:18 <Luke-Jr> there, more chowning
18:18 <wrtlprnft> can you manually generate the thumbs for the last upload?
18:19 <Luke-Jr> don't forget to generate the full res...
18:20 <Your_mom_arma> did someone brute force lucifers password?
18:20 <Luke-Jr> don't forget to mkdir -p
18:20 <wrtlprnft> i did
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/race/race-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:21 <Luke-Jr> adding 128x128.png should be with -o not the input
18:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:21 <wrtlprnft> it is done with -o
18:21 <wrtlprnft> but doesn't work
18:22 <spidey_> http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3499/untitledwz0.jpg
18:22 <Luke-Jr> not in your paste earlier
18:22 <wrtlprnft> system('/var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o ' . escapeshellarg($preview_pfix . $filepath) . ' ' . escapeshellarg($repo_pfix . $filepath) . '.1000x1000.png >/dev/null');
18:22 <Luke-Jr> the last argument is input
18:23 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:23 <wrtlprnft> should be, right?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> and the one before is -o <outputfile>
18:24 <wrtlprnft> and for some reason it doesn't do anything
18:24 <Luke-Jr> .........
18:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: mind manually deleting the two maps i just uploaded?
18:25 <Luke-Jr> /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/FILEPATH /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/FILEPATH.1000x1000.png >/dev/null
18:25 <wrtlprnft> I know, you don't like that, but that way i can upload them again
18:26 <Luke-Jr> how about just race? =p
18:26 <wrtlprnft> ok
18:26 * Luke-Jr wonders if he should just make armagetronad users able to sudo -u armagetronad o.o
18:26 <Luke-Jr> /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview -x 1000 -y 1000 -m 10 -o /var/www/armagetron/resource/preview/FILEPATH /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/FILEPATH.1000x1000.png >/dev/null
18:26 <Luke-Jr> what is wrong there?
18:27 <wrtlprnft> is that what it outputs?
18:27 <Luke-Jr> that's what your string makes
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18:27 <wrtlprnft> if your -o works, which i assume it does, nothing
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18:27 <Luke-Jr> '.1000x1000.png' should be tagged on the end of the -o arg, not on the end of the input
18:27 <Luke-Jr> input is the XML, output is the PNG
18:27 <wrtlprnft> ouch!
18:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: remove both is best
18:28 <wrtlprnft> or you'll have to manually do the preview
18:28 <Luke-Jr> removed
18:28 <wrtlprnft> thx
18:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5910 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: hopefully fixed preview generation this time
18:29 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <wrtlprnft> waiting a few seconds...
18:29 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:29 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:29 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: if you use exec(cmdline, 0, &rv);, you'll get the return value in 'rv'
18:30 <Luke-Jr> assuming map-preview returns non-zero on error...
18:30 <wrtlprnft> this time it worked
18:30 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/race/race-1.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:30 <Luke-Jr> note I had manually made previews for fmap
18:31 <wrtlprnft> but that one was race
18:31 <wrtlprnft> and it does something
18:31 <wrtlprnft> the uploading takes a few more seconds than it did before
18:31 <Luke-Jr> ah
18:31 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:31 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:31 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska
18:32 <Luke-Jr> if a user cancels, will it abort the script? :/
18:32 <spidey_> wow
18:32 <spidey_> 137 fps in tron
18:32 <spidey_> this owns
18:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: hope not
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5911 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Added some flush() calls to keep the user up to date on what's happening.
18:32 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:33 <wrtlprnft> I mean, i could just put the two external calls into background
18:33 <wrtlprnft> like, append an & to the command line
18:33 <Luke-Jr> nah
18:34 <Luke-Jr> I think it would keep running
18:34 <Luke-Jr> unless PHP itself times out and kills it
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't happen unless there's a real lot of walls
18:34 <Luke-Jr> yeah
18:35 * Luke-Jr wants to set the CIA author field to the map author tag
18:35 <wrtlprnft> yesyesyes!
18:35 <Luke-Jr> ?
18:35 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:36 <Luke-Jr> if I do it, someone will probably complain it puts map authors on CIA's author list for the project
18:36 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:36 <Luke-Jr> which I think is a good thing, but...
18:37 <Luke-Jr> btw, when you think the resource browser is good enough, do add a link from index
18:51 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/oktatower-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
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18:52 <Your_mom_arma> luke your US:sty server has a bug "player_win_shotusername was awarded 10 points for being last active team"
18:53 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/race-0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:56 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/historic/race-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:56 <wrtlprnft> putting all my old maps on there :)
18:56 * wrtlprnft is a bit tempted to put all his >10000 race server maps on there
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> you could play a new one everyday for more then 27 years
18:58 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:58 <wrtlprnft> it changes every 5 rounds
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how do you like the new folder icon? I tried to give it a bit of an arma touch :)
19:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: did you modify the source?
19:02 <Luke-Jr> or just the PNG?
19:03 <Luke-Jr> 'parent dir' needs a different icon =po
19:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the PNG
19:04 <wrtlprnft> you need to reload the page
19:04 <Luke-Jr> boo =p
19:04 <Luke-Jr> should modify the SVG
19:04 <Your_mom_arma> which map is that?
19:05 <Your_mom_arma> on the icon that is
19:05 <wrtlprnft> it's the sumo map
19:05 <wrtlprnft> the extra walls are fake
19:05 <wrtlprnft> brb supper
19:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: pick a random map from the directory and render it on the dir =p
19:09 <Luke-Jr> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuvola_SVG_icons
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19:45 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any *doable* ideas?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:45 <wrtlprnft> gnome!
19:45 <wrtlprnft> go away.
19:47 <wrtlprnft> picking a random map would be slow
19:49 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the SVG version doesn't look as good as the PNG does
19:50 <Luke-Jr> erm
19:51 <Luke-Jr> [0] Setting CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY (Group: Bumpy) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.8.3_alpha will not be allowed in.
19:51 <Luke-Jr> why does that happen when defaults are used?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> they probably aren't
19:51 <Luke-Jr> they are
19:51 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig cycle_accel_enemy
19:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY: Multiplicator to CYCLE_ACCEL for your enemies' walls (default: 1) || CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_ACCEL_ENEMY differs from its default? (default: 3)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!
19:51 <DrJoeTron> #i/back
19:51 <wrtlprnft> or no, nevm
19:51 <wrtlprnft> *nvm
19:51 <DrJoeTron> :D i passed my test
19:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 is the default
19:51 <wrtlprnft> grats
19:53 <Luke-Jr> it's set to 1.3
19:53 <Luke-Jr> but none of the config files say 1.3
19:54 <wrtlprnft> did someone set it via /admin?
19:56 <Luke-Jr> yes, but the server has since been restarted
19:56 <wrtlprnft> or grep the logs for "changed to 1.3."
19:56 <Luke-Jr> yes, but the server has since been restarted
19:57 <wrtlprnft> ah, THAT's the source of that noise
19:57 <Luke-Jr> aha
19:57 <Luke-Jr> *stab*
19:57 <wrtlprnft> the keyboard is pushing down onto the fan
19:57 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:57 <Luke-Jr> he specified the config in lowercase
20:05 <wrtlprnft> HA!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> fixed the prob
20:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like there was just too much dust
20:05 <wrtlprnft> blowing it away fixed it
20:05 * wrtlprnft can now press tab again withaut making funny noises :)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nuvola/filesystems <-- which icon do you want?
20:06 <Luke-Jr> ?
20:06 <wrtlprnft> I don't see any icon suitable for parent dir there
20:07 <wrtlprnft> and if there was I'd have to color it orange
20:07 * Luke-Jr notes from the Special icons, the aamap one is out of place
20:07 <Luke-Jr> or you could use blue folders ;p
20:07 <wrtlprnft> nah
20:07 <wrtlprnft> i hate blue
20:07 <wrtlprnft> there's too much of a blue- hype
20:07 <wrtlprnft> everything has to be shades of blue
20:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what special icons?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> Special on that page
20:08 <Luke-Jr> how about actions/up.png?
20:11 <Luke-Jr> or overlay up.png on the normal folder
20:13 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ find /usr/share/icons/nuvola/128x128/ -name up.png ~
20:13 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $
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20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it's not 128x128
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21:52 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:00 <spidey_> http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8513/screenshot5ut0.png
22:01 <spidey_> my fps owns
22:01 <ghableska> :P
22:07 <SuPeRTaRD> i get more fps with shittier hardware
22:07 <SuPeRTaRD> i get about 170 on a sempron 1000 with gf4
22:08 <spidey_> really?
22:08 <spidey_> because i only have onboard
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> yes
22:08 <spidey_> that's 3 years old
22:08 <spidey_> ;x
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> ah
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> video chips sucketh
22:08 <spidey_> gets me my 129fps :)
22:08 <SuPeRTaRD> comparitively.. 'cept cards die quicker
22:08 <spidey_> not to mention
22:09 <spidey_> it's only 64mb
22:09 <spidey_> so imagen what it'll be when i get me a radeon
22:09 <spidey_> :D
22:10 <spidey_> though
22:10 <spidey_> i could get mine to 170
22:10 <SuPeRTaRD> 239
22:10 <spidey_> decrease res from 1024x786 to 800xwhatever
22:10 <spidey_> turn off most effects
22:10 <spidey_> should push them on up
22:10 <SuPeRTaRD> yeh i run 800x\
22:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: so i just color that arrow in orange and put it onto the directory sign?
22:17 <Luke-Jr> something like that, I guess
22:19 <wrtlprnft> what corner? bottom-left?
22:21 <Luke-Jr> whatever looks nice I guess
22:22 <wrtlprnft> well
22:22 <wrtlprnft> i know you won't like it however i do it
22:22 <wrtlprnft> but I wanna make sure I can blame you after
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22:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5912 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (folder_orange_up.png folder_orange_up.xcf preview.php): Changed the folder icon for the parent dir to include a little arrow.
22:27 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
22:28 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
22:28 <Luke-Jr> why?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> because it looks like it failed the first time
22:29 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the icon is there now
22:29 <Luke-Jr> why won't I like it, I mean
22:29 <Luke-Jr> the link doesn't work
22:29 <wrtlprnft> link?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> which one?
22:30 <Luke-Jr> well, all of them are weird
22:30 <Luke-Jr> and the parent link doesn't work
22:30 <wrtlprnft> !
22:30 <Luke-Jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resourceLuke-Jr/Clones -- needs a / after resource?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> haha, i never use the link myself
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22:30 <Luke-Jr> parent dir doesn't use rewrite
22:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:31 <wrtlprnft> lemme fix it :S
22:31 <Luke-Jr> hehe
22:31 <wrtlprnft> my browser has a go- up and a back mouse gesture
22:31 <wrtlprnft> who needs those darn links anyways
22:32 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5913 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed missing slash and link that didn't use mod_rewrite (or LINK_PATH) yet.
22:32 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:32 <Luke-Jr> You could drop the 'parent dir' icon and simply link the directory path elements...
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> Listing of <a href=toplevel>resource</a>/<a href=...>Luke-Jr</a>
22:33 <Luke-Jr> eg
22:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:33 <wrtlprnft> grr
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
22:33 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
22:33 * Luke-Jr smacks armabot
22:33 <wrtlprnft> that needs real fixing :S
22:33 <wrtlprnft> now it worked
22:33 <Luke-Jr> parent dir should go *up*, not same-level
22:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
22:34 <Luke-Jr> it works in categories
22:34 <wrtlprnft> no idea why it won?t
22:35 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm dropping the parent dir
22:35 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:36 <wrtlprnft> let's try that linking thing
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i can use explode for that, that's foolproof
22:37 <Luke-Jr> *g*
22:40 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5914 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/.htaccess: pass additional query items through
22:40 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:40 <wrtlprnft> what do we need that for?
22:41 <Luke-Jr> shrug
22:41 <Luke-Jr> future stuff?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> just screws up possible ? in map names
22:41 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to keep it ?- free :P
22:41 <Luke-Jr> ? in map names won't work anyway without %xx
22:41 <Luke-Jr> why are you using charset=iso-8859-1?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> you'd need to convert the map info to that... =p
22:42 <wrtlprnft> well, it's all ASCII anyways
22:42 <wrtlprnft> last time i checked the parser couldn't handle chars >128
22:43 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5915 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Removed parent dir links and made a breadrumb-style navigation instead
22:43 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:44 <Luke-Jr> aren't the width and height attributes on img obsolete?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> no
22:44 <wrtlprnft> try to load the page without
22:45 <wrtlprnft> the browser doesn't know the width and height and won't align the image
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it jumps like hell as the page gets loaded
22:46 <Luke-Jr> CSS
22:46 <Luke-Jr> o.O
22:47 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the big difference?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> width and height are attributes that belong into the image tag itself
22:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5916 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hopefully fixed some slash madness.
22:49 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:50 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5917 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More fixing
22:50 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5918 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Unescaped what shouldn't be escaped in regular expressions
22:52 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5919 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Another regexp fix -- i hate backslashes.
22:54 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:57 <wrtlprnft> those slashes are killing me, both forward and backward
22:57 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5920 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fix for the breadcrumb navigation
22:57 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
22:58 <wrtlprnft> now i got it I think :S
23:00 <wrtlprnft> someone's gonna hate me for all those commits
23:01 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5921 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Don't link the last path component (the one we're on already)
23:01 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:01 <Luke-Jr> why
23:01 <wrtlprnft> well, they're all minor
23:01 <Luke-Jr> so? =p
23:01 <wrtlprnft> but I can't really test locally
23:02 <wrtlprnft> all i can do is run it from the command line to see if there's any syntax error
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23:09 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5922 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More slash fixes
23:09 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:11 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5923 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Hopeless case, added debug info
23:11 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:13 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5924 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Let's see if that does the trick
23:13 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5925 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Who needs $displaypath anyways?
23:15 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5926 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: now THIS should fix the whole thing once and for all.
23:16 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: done now
23:19 <Vanhayes> anyone know why bugfarm is down?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> not me
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: browse the maps meanwhile and tell me if you find any bugs
23:20 <Vanhayes> ok
23:20 <Vanhayes> er wanna give me a link cause I dont feel like looking for it
23:21 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
23:21 <Vanhayes> thanks
23:21 <wrtlprnft> the weird lines on SD's maps are known tho
23:22 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5927 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/.htaccess: redirect to resource/ instead of resource, that's the correct path.
23:22 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5928 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: Added resource browser link to the aabeta main page
23:28 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
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23:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any chance we can change the resource spec so you can distinguish the version number from the map name just by looking at the file name?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr/variable/scaley/scaley-a4-d10-s14-0.1-r1.aamap.xml
23:35 <wrtlprnft> everyone take a guess, what't he name, what's the version?
23:36 <Luke-Jr> LOL
23:36 <Luke-Jr> you have a suggestion, I presume?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> either forbid '-' in the name
23:36 <wrtlprnft> or forbid '-' in the version
23:37 <Luke-Jr> see, 's4-d10-s14' really should be ANOTHER attribute
23:37 <Luke-Jr> not name nor version
23:37 <wrtlprnft> umm
23:37 <Luke-Jr> it should be a variation
23:37 <Luke-Jr> or configuration
23:37 <wrtlprnft> make your category scaley/a4-d10-s14
23:37 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:37 <wrtlprnft> or, better
23:38 <wrtlprnft> make your category scaley
23:38 <Luke-Jr> scaley is one that should be a script, not a map
23:38 <wrtlprnft> the name a4-d10-s14
23:38 <wrtlprnft> and the version 0.1
23:38 <Luke-Jr> IIRC there is a 0.1
23:38 <wrtlprnft> well, the same problem exists in other spots too
23:38 <wrtlprnft> Anonymous/polygon/regular/40-gon-0.2.aamap.xml
23:39 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo/clever/repeat-0.3.2-sd.aamap.xml
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23:39 <wrtlprnft> that's what i saw so far
23:40 <wrtlprnft> the php script has no chance to get the name and version without parsing the file
23:40 <wrtlprnft> which would be too expensive on a large directory
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23:47 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: the only ones that looked weird were 2 of self destructos and your 2 crazy ones
23:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, we want to lock the version spec more anyway, right?
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: would make sense. If we want to allow things like r1 postfixes i'd say we force using a _
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, those are known, reported to nemo for fixing
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: but the browser's working :)
23:51 <wrtlprnft> anyways
23:51 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:51 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:51 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: r1 is different from beta/rc/etc postfixes tho
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00:10 <Luke-Jr> wtf is Bell talking about in the quicktime thread?
00:16 <guru3> he looked up the .rec extension
00:16 <guru3> & now good night
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01:09 <Lucifer_arma> haha, I just registered for the US Government class taught by the same guy that taught my Texas Government class :)
01:30 <Luke-Jr> ...so?
01:30 <Luke-Jr> people do that all the time, you know
01:37 <Lucifer_arma> he keeps changing his name, so I have to keep ignoring his new names
01:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could someone please try custom connecting to xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org:4534?
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and please /msg me to tell me wether it working or not
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
02:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
02:02 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
02:29 <Vanhayes> #list
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
02:29 <Vanhayes> #list services
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
02:29 <Vanhayes> #help ghost
02:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: (ghost [<nick>]) -- Ghosts the bot's given nick and takes it. If no nick is given, ghosts the bot's configured nick and takes it.
02:30 <Vanhayes> #help invite
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: (invite [<channel>] <nick>) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will invite <nick> to join <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:30 <Vanhayes> #help nicks
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: (nicks [<channel>]) -- Returns the nicks in <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:31 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:31 <Vanhayes> #help nicks#help voice
02:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: There is no command "nicks#help voice".
02:31 <Vanhayes> whoops
02:31 <Vanhayes> #help voice
02:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: (voice [<channel>] [<nick> ...]) -- If you have the #channel,voice capability, this will voice all the <nick>s you provide. If you don't provide any <nick>s, this will voice you. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:32 <Vanhayes> #list later
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: notes and tell
02:32 <Vanhayes> #notes
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, nemo*, Nickserv, operserv, philippeqc, someone, and unknown.
02:32 <Vanhayes> #notes $randomnick
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <McSpiddles> enjoy the spam, Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 7 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, and 26 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, Sent 4 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, and 29 minutes ago: <Vanhayes> enjoy the spam, and Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <Sakireth> eat (1 more message)
02:32 <Vanhayes> #more
02:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: crap
02:33 <Vanhayes> #seen sakireth
02:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: sakireth was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Sakireth> #chuck
02:33 <Vanhayes> #chuck
02:34 <Vanhayes> #list google
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:34 <Vanhayes> #help cache
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: (cache <url>) -- Returns a link to the cached version of <url> if it is available.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #cache www.armagetronad.net
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 'www.armagetronad.net' is not a valid url.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #cache http://armagetronad.net
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://www.google.com/search?client=soap&q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Farmagetronad.net
02:36 <Vanhayes> #help meta
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: (meta <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{similar,notsafe}]) -- Searches google and gives all the interesting meta information about the search. See the help for the google command for a detailed description of the parameters.
02:36 <Vanhayes> #meta van
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "van" returned approximately 871000000 results in 0.51 seconds. Categories include "Top/Arts/Art History/Artists/G/Gogh, Vincent van".
02:36 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes
02:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes" returned approximately 43 results in 0.40 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #google fight vanhayes
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: vanhayes: 621
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english" returned approximately 40 results in 0.22 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english,restrict
02:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english,restrict" returned approximately 6 results in 0.72 seconds.[]
02:37 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes --english,restrict 10
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes --english,restrict 10" returned approximately 0 results in 0.70 seconds.[]
02:38 <Vanhayes> #meta vanhayes 10
02:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search for "vanhayes 10" returned approximately 27 results in 0.36 seconds.[]
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04:45 <Lizz> hi
04:45 <linuxlizzard> hello
04:45 <Lizz> hiya linux
04:46 <linuxlizzard> hiya
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> best weight loss drug in the world is cocaine
04:48 <Lizz> hey loocee.... is there a admin command for checking IPs of ppl who enter the server?
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04:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, look at the logs, they're printed there
04:56 <Lizz> umm nvm.. i meant when ur in the server and logged into admin
04:56 <Lizz> thx anyway
04:56 <Lizz> as u kick it shows.. wanted to kno it b4 that tho
04:58 <DrJoeTron> well that was a nightmare
04:58 <Lizz> u dream of loocee again joe?? lol
04:59 <DrJoeTron> better
04:59 <linuxlizzard> hey
04:59 <Lizz> LOL
04:59 <linuxlizzard> you see my message thur joe X)
04:59 <DrJoeTron> invader fucked up and told oscilloscope again
04:59 <DrJoeTron> say not again
04:59 <linuxlizzard> oh god
04:59 <DrJoeTron> he told someone again
04:59 <DrJoeTron> thats two people
04:59 <linuxlizzard> oof
04:59 <DrJoeTron> i changed it
05:00 <DrJoeTron> yeah i got your messages, did you get mine?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> nope
05:00 <DrJoeTron> grrr
05:00 <DrJoeTron> did you register het?
05:00 <DrJoeTron> here*
05:00 <linuxlizzard> ?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> freenode?
05:00 <linuxlizzard> have been forever ;)
05:00 <DrJoeTron> im not registered
05:01 <linuxlizzard> heh
05:01 <Lizz> bb
05:01 <linuxlizzard> thats why
05:01 <Lizz> l
05:01 <DrJoeTron> Lobsters Vs Mobsters
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05:01 <DrJoeTron> is what most people decided
05:01 <linuxlizzard> really
05:01 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
05:02 <DrJoeTron> i took a tally and asked for names
05:02 <linuxlizzard> when was this :P
05:02 <DrJoeTron> i/ll tell you the new pass next time i see you
05:02 <DrJoeTron> just now
05:02 <linuxlizzard> indeed
05:03 <DrJoeTron> and thats the one everony grimmaced to
05:04 <DrJoeTron> lizz slo is back
05:05 <DrJoeTron> nm
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05:05 <DrJoeTron> alright i want sleep
05:06 <DrJoeTron> say so im gonna do so
05:06 <DrJoeTron> fucking server box
05:06 <DrJoeTron> making my type "say"
05:07 <linuxlizzard> haha
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> say you will
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> say you won't
05:09 * Lucifer_arma is working on his degree plan
05:09 <DrJoeTron> make up your mind tooo niiight?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> say you will
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> say you won't
05:09 * Lucifer_arma loves that song when he was like 8
05:09 <DrJoeTron> wanna be miiiine?
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> *loved *loved!
05:09 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
05:09 <DrJoeTron> oh foreigner
05:09 * DrJoeTron is also picking classes
05:11 <DrJoeTron> is also gonna sleep
05:11 <DrJoeTron> lizzard il tell you the password tommarow
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05:11 <linuxlizzard> kk
05:11 <linuxlizzard> It better be a good one ;)
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> his new password is "jerkoff"
05:14 <linuxlizzard> haha
05:15 <linuxlizzard> well, time to get some rest I suppose
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06:32 <Lucifer_arma> damn, looks like I'll be graduating in Fall 2010
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking around?
06:39 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm around
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> looks like Spring of 2010, actually :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> can you catch up with that ETC for me?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's with the very last semester being 16 hours, too
06:40 <GodTodd> etc+
06:40 <GodTodd> ?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> Estimated Time of Completion
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> school
06:41 * Lucifer_arma is finishing up his long-term plan, finally
06:41 <GodTodd> ahhh....i'm hoping to be done around then too
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> or at least as finished as it can be right now anyway
06:41 <GodTodd> i'd have to dig up my degree plan to know for sure :)
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put my spreadsheet up on my website when I'm done so you can take a gander at it :)
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I want to clean it up for printing first, and I still need to fill in the last semester
06:42 <GodTodd> k
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know is there's only 16 hours left on this flowchart of mine, heh
06:43 <GodTodd> i'm hoping to finish my degree before it's time to buy our next house and car
06:43 <GodTodd> heh
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> shit, it just turned into a 17 hour semester
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06:48 <GodTodd> i'm probably going to go full load after re-wetting my feet this semester
07:00 <GodTodd> and by catch up with the etc...you mean can i finish by then?
07:00 * GodTodd isn't thinking too clearly tonight.
07:00 <GodTodd> heh
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07:08 <Lucifer_arma> yes, can you finish by then
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fixed it. Managed to pull a few classes back, so now a summer that used to be 2 hours is 5 hours (one more hour than I'm taking right now)
07:10 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: IIRC, by default logs don't show IP
07:12 <Luke-Jr> if I continued wasting money on college, I'd have graduated last spring...
07:12 <Luke-Jr> or maybe it's next spring, I forget
07:12 * Lucifer_arma is pretty sleepy, too
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> got maybe 3 hours of sleep last night, went to class, studied, took test. Loooong day
07:14 * Luke-Jr wonders why Lucifer_arma bothers with college
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07:14 <anjori> perhaps he wants to better himself?
07:15 <Luke-Jr> anjori: can do that more effeciently on your own
07:16 <Luke-Jr> while gaining practical experience, and self-learning skills at the same time
07:17 <Luke-Jr> anyway, I need to fix these C++ tValue binary operators...
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> for Aerospace Engineering, you think?
07:17 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: eh, I guess trial and error doesn't work out too well in that field ;)
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> how many rocket scientists get employed by building rocket ships in their backyards?
07:20 <GodTodd> 5
07:20 <GodTodd> heh
07:20 <Luke-Jr> 5?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, since about 1960, I mean
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> not counting Goddard et al. (and whoever the German guy was, whose name I've forgotten)
07:21 * Lucifer_arma must be sleepy to forget the famous german rocket scientist that headed up the V-2 team and then came over to help on the Mercury project and more
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, they were all backyard rocket scientists :)
07:23 <Luke-Jr> now a days, that's illegal :(
07:24 <Luke-Jr> well, any serious rocket stuff anyhow
07:24 <Luke-Jr> or nuclear experiments
07:24 <GodTodd> wernher von braun?
07:24 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Is X-Files evil?
07:25 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> that's the one, thanks
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to join my fraternity?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> It's called Pi Gamma Fuck You
07:31 <GodTodd> what're the greek letters for fuck and you?
07:31 <GodTodd> heh
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> But since Pi Gamma aren't english words, we shortened the name to Fuck You
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> all you have to do is write on all your tshirts something that looks like this: |Fuck You| <your name>
07:31 <GodTodd> do we at least get reach arounds?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> alternately: <your name> |Fuck You|
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> no man, it's just another lame clan, like all the other fraternities
07:32 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:32 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm planning on answer the question "What fraternity are you with?" with Pi Alpha Nu
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> only problem is, these damn kids are too young to get it :(
07:33 <GodTodd> heh
07:33 * Lucifer_arma is only slightly annoyed with a community college calc class filling up with fratboys and sorority chicks
07:33 <GodTodd> heh...how many will be left 3 meetings in?
07:33 <GodTodd> ;)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> most of the class is still there, I think
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'll find out tomorrow, today was the last drop day
07:34 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so everyone who was going to drop will have done so today
07:34 <GodTodd> and the rest will take the F :)
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> the class was pretty thin today, actually. I don't know if it's just people skipping class to take the test, people just not showing up, or if the class actually thinned
07:35 <GodTodd> hard to tell sometimes
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> I showed up because I skipped yesterday :)
07:36 <GodTodd> i had a netware class that started with 20 once....by last drop day it was down to 6
07:36 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmmm
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> my calc class last semester started with 36
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> but only 4 finished
07:36 <GodTodd> wow
07:36 <GodTodd> slackers
07:36 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I feel like I'm in some sort of elite group, being one of those 4, and finishing with an A, but the fact is, we got thrown in with a lot of fucking losers
07:37 <anjori> echo wow
07:37 <GodTodd> #echo wow
07:37 <armabot> wow
07:37 <anjori> enh, that's not what i was trying to accomplish :P but that works, too
07:37 <GodTodd> i know
07:37 <GodTodd> ;)
07:37 * Lucifer_arma is feeling good, he took the easiest math test today that he's taken in years
07:37 * anjori is on a bash kick right now
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> echo $HOLYMUTHERFUCKINGSHIT
07:38 <Vanhayes> #night
07:38 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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07:38 <anjori> speaking of which, how can i make this work? if [ `cat /etc/issue` = "*Ubuntu*" ] && [ -a /etc/sudoers ]; then
07:38 <anjori> tells me there's too many arguments
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> take out the middle brackets?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> wait, what's -a for?
07:39 <anjori> if the file exists
07:39 <anjori> it's get tripped up on the first test statement, though
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> try taking out the middle brackets
07:39 <anjori> i tried commenting out the second part to make sure
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> /etc/issue has 3 lines in it to me
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, on my system
07:40 <anjori> maybe i should explain what i'm trying to do
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> so you probably need to grep instead of cat, if you're looking for Ubuntu in /etc/issue
07:40 <anjori> ah, okay
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> then probably just check string length
07:41 <anjori> yeah, i dont think i can use pattern matching in test statements, anyway. so *Ubuntu* wouldnt have worked
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> I forget how bash does it, but I basically mean this:
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> if `grep "Ubuntu" /etc/issue` != ""
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> you might find some arguments to grep that'll be more helpful in constructing the if statement, though
07:43 * Lucifer_arma notes that Intro to Computer Programming is a required course in his degree plan :/
07:43 <anjori> heh
07:43 <GodTodd> ahahahahaha.....i had to suffer through that for my aas
07:43 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: Pi Alpha Nu?
07:44 <anjori> ideally, i agree with luke about college. unfortunately, the world often doesn't work like that
07:44 <anjori> they want to see that piece of paper
07:44 <Luke-Jr> anjori: depends on the field, I guess
07:44 <Luke-Jr> most employers understand that a CS degree doesn't mean much
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> is luke saying stuff that's worth me not ignoring him for a few minutes?
07:46 <anjori> re: the bash thing: i'm writing an install script for konqueror service menus. you can specify whether you want to install it under home, or system-wide (which requires root privs). i realized, however, that ubuntu disables root by default. so i want it to check if they're using ubuntu and if a sudoers file exists. if so, use sudo instead of root.
07:46 <GodTodd> <anjori> ideally, i agree with luke about college. unfortunately, the world often doesn't work like that
07:46 <GodTodd> <anjori> they want to see that piece of paper
07:46 <GodTodd> <Luke-Jr> anjori: depends on the field, I guess
07:46 <GodTodd> <Luke-Jr> most employers understand that a CS degree doesn't mean much
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I actually agree with luke on this anyway, I've fought and fought to avoid getting a degree, figuring I have the brains and talent to get what I want
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and it's worked. Only, now I want to do something that requires very specialized knowledge that you can't get anywhere else,
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> hence the degree-chase
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I would feel really bad if I used this degree to get into, say, upper management in a grocery store
07:47 <GodTodd> hey...don't stomp on my dreams man :P
07:47 <GodTodd> heh
07:48 * Lucifer_arma notes that the big Texas grocery store requires degrees from managers, but doesn't care what kind of degree
07:48 <GodTodd> big texas grocery store? which one is that?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> or at least it did 12 years ago, according to the guy with the degree I knew that worked there :)
07:48 <Luke-Jr> O.o
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> HEB
07:48 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think they use a different name in your area, but I could be wrong about that.
07:49 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: so why are you ignoring me anyway?
07:49 <GodTodd> was gonna say...don't think we have those up here :)
07:51 <GodTodd> nah...they go as far north as waxahachie
07:52 <GodTodd> 40.1 mi to the nearest one :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> they're in Austin, San Antonio, and all the way down to the border, and that's all I really know :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> waco, too
07:53 <GodTodd> yeah but waco is 90-100 mi away :P
07:53 <GodTodd> heh
07:55 <anjori> has anyone played Tremulous? i installed it within the last week, and quickly realized again what it's like to be the noob. since tron is really all else i play, and that hasn't been the case in some time.
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, spreadsheets are annoying sometimes
07:58 <GodTodd> i'm going to ask karen if she can get me an interview at halliburton for electrical engineering....see if i can get work experience instead of a degree
07:58 <GodTodd> ;)
08:00 <GodTodd> spreadsheets always annoy me...but they are useful sometimes
08:00 <GodTodd> heh
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> what's annoying is this
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to compute the number of credit hours I'm taking that are outside my degree, like the developmental math and a physics class
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to compute GPA in-degree, and for all time, because in-degree matters for the application to UT
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> rather, it matters for the engineering college part of UT, all-time matters for UT itself
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> then I want both of these GPAs computed for UT as well
08:14 <GodTodd> i take it you want it to do it without you manually coding what cells to compute
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> I want to put in the credit hours now and leave the grade blank, when I get a grade, then I'll fill it in and it'll tell me
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> right, I want to just use sum() at the top of each column and have it just fucking work
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:14 <GodTodd> what program?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> now I have to add another column, so 3 columns for each type of computation I'm trying to get
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> oo.o
08:15 <GodTodd> i haven't really fucked with formulas on that one....just basic stuff....but then i don't do a whole lot of spreadsheets
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> this column should do if(the grade column is not empty, number of hours the class is)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> me neither, but I started this in a spreadsheet and it's worked well so far :)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> just that the GPA computation it used to do was very basic
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> I also want the math to show while I"m looking at it, but hide when printing. :) That was easy, though.
08:18 <Luke-Jr> is tString unstreamable?
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08:22 * mathot is trying out linux today
08:22 <Luke-Jr> about time
08:22 <Luke-Jr> you're only 14 years late
08:22 <Luke-Jr> =p
08:22 <mathot> :-)
08:24 <mathot> Now I only need totalcommander to run on it (sorry I but I am a TC addict).
08:25 <mathot> And Arma of course
08:29 <mathot> But I assume Arma will run on any distro? (providing my video card is supported well enough).
08:29 <anjori> what distro you on?
08:30 <Luke-Jr> mathot: any recent one, anyhow
08:30 <mathot> Currently trying out opensuse 10.1
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> 24.136.93.27
08:33 <mathot> yep
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08:47 <Lucifer_arma> arg, how the hell am I supposed to get iptables runnign? :(
08:47 <guru3> ?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> I just emerged it, and I keep telling it to reload its rules, and it says "no kernel support"
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> don't tell me I have to build a kernel, please
08:48 <guru3> you should only need the kernel modules
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> I tried modprobe iptables :)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> modprobe ip_tables too
08:49 <guru3> & the kernel supports netfilter right?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, what's netfilter? It's a genkernel all kernel
08:50 <guru3> should have it then
08:50 <guru3> so you modprobed ip_tables
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> localhost lib # modprobe ip_tables
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
08:51 <guru3> Oo
08:51 <guru3> my genkernel made it
08:52 <guru3> in /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have the ipv4 directory you've got there
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> how recent is your kernel build?
08:53 <guru3> a couple of days
08:53 <guru3> version 2.6.13-gentoo-r3
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, this kernel's a few months old. I need to build a new anyway, I s'pose
08:54 <guru3> i should think that it would have iptables support anyway
08:54 <Luke-Jr> guru3: wtf?
08:54 <Luke-Jr> 2.6.13 is at least a month old
08:54 <guru3> yeah
08:54 <Luke-Jr> Linux tsurukikun 2.6.17-gentoo #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 13:36:05 UTC 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ GNU/Linux
08:54 <guru3> but he asked built
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 <--- my sources, hmmmm
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I didn't have iptables emerged when I built it before?
08:55 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: wouldn't matter
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going back to my degree plan, this is just more time I'm losing over a smeghead :/
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09:02 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:02 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: After Donald Trump's stretch limousine was stolen and found || undamaged a few blocks away; he said, "Nothing was stolen. I had || an honest thief."-International Herald Tribune, page 3, March 2, || 1992
09:08 <wrtlprnft> #cyborgname STM
09:09 <wrtlprnft> :S
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> #cyborg STM
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> I must have unloaded that plugin. :/
09:13 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
09:13 <wrtlprnft> STupid Motherf***
09:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5929 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: The implementation of spectator mode changed. Thanks to Fonkay for noticing!
09:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hi
09:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: do we really need tValue::Base::copy?
09:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: hi
09:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: not if we use shared_ptr
09:15 <wrtlprnft> it was needed when we used std::auto_ptr
09:16 <Luke-Jr> ok, so we don't need it anymore?
09:16 <wrtlprnft> no
09:16 <Luke-Jr> ok, it's gone =p
09:16 * Luke-Jr goes to destroy it
09:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm pondering whether Add should concat or not
09:19 <Luke-Jr> maybe it should actually try to numerically add strings?
09:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, please not
09:21 <wrtlprnft> that's slow too
09:22 <Luke-Jr> eh?
09:23 <wrtlprnft> numerically adding two strings
09:24 <wrtlprnft> but you can do it
09:24 <wrtlprnft> and add a . operator for strings :)
09:24 <Luke-Jr> except . was going to be used as a object.function seperator :x
09:25 <wrtlprnft> you can distinguish that by data types
09:26 <wrtlprnft> an object + a function doesn't make sense to put into a string
09:31 <Luke-Jr> data types don't exist at parse time
09:31 <Luke-Jr> preferably
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09:31 <Luke-Jr> eliminating ::copy is a pain :(
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09:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/Degree_Plan.ods
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> awww, he left
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, there ya go, degree plan :)
09:47 <Your_mom_arma> what did we ever do to the guy that keeps defacing the wiki
09:48 <Your_mom_arma> Luci did someone brute force your password? (blocked ... changed my password)
09:49 <Luke-Jr> Your_mom_arma: tried, IIRC
09:50 <Your_mom_arma> oh?
09:57 <guru3> microsoft is great
09:57 <guru3> "Your Web site has been deleted."
09:58 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ?
09:58 <guru3> it's just a funny message to bother showing
10:01 <Luke-Jr> hm
10:01 <Luke-Jr> microsoft.com crashes konq
10:04 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: no, somebody tried to login as me and then kept hitting the "send me a new password" button
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> I decided that was definitively bad behavior and blocked him
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you look at recent changes, someone called Fucktheadmin was screwing around, probably someone who had a temporary ban that just now turned into a permanent ban
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Fucktheadmin". The reason given for Fucktheadmin's block is: "'''idiot'''")
10:16 <Luke-Jr> o.O
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11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5930 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h):
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Add GetValue method for tValues, and split C-style Math class into BinaryOp class with Add, Subtract, Divide, and Multiply subclasses
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: This seems to work after a quick local round (before the zone bug crashes it)
11:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Be on the lookout for "WARNING: Base::GetValue called!"-- that would be a bug, I think
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11:52 <wrtlprnft> lol what's a C- style math class?
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12:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: an idea: the svn commit messages on http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad have a "(link)" behind them that links to SF's websvn. What about having it link to the detail page for resource uploads?
12:18 <wrtlprnft> "Canis meus id comedit." == "My dog ate it."?
12:18 <wrtlprnft> my latin is nonexistent
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12:25 <anjori> wow. i just scored a 42 in wild fort. that has to be my best ever.
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12:59 <TitsnAss> yo
12:59 <TitsnAss> where luke
12:59 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: TitsnAss wants to talk to you
13:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5931 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Added <url> tag to commit messages generated, they link to the detail page for the resource that was uploaded.
13:00 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> luke luke luke luke luke
13:00 <TitsnAss> what did he want to say?
13:00 <TitsnAss> oh
13:00 <TitsnAss> lol
13:00 <TitsnAss> Luke-Jr: hi
13:00 <TitsnAss> Luke-Jr yt
13:00 <TitsnAss> blah
13:00 <wrtlprnft> /ignore TitsnAss
13:05 <TitsnAss> wrtl can u tel luke something for me
13:06 <TitsnAss> yo
13:06 <wrtlprnft> what? ...
13:06 <wrtlprnft> he has a reason to ignore you probably
13:06 <TitsnAss> no i dont think so..
13:06 <TitsnAss> is he responding to u/
13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that
13:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess he isn't there right now
13:06 <TitsnAss> kk
13:07 <wrtlprnft> probably sleeping
13:07 <wrtlprnft> but he doesn't ignore me
13:07 <wrtlprnft> not that i know of, anyways
13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting
13:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that
13:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #leter tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting
13:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:08 <TitsnAss> tell him the one after
13:08 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks
13:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:08 <TitsnAss> kk thanks
13:08 <wrtlprnft> ...
13:08 <TitsnAss> thank you armabot :D
13:08 <TitsnAss> and wrtlprnft
13:09 <wrtlprnft> armabot is ignoring you.
13:09 <TitsnAss> armabot is a bot :)
13:09 <wrtlprnft> it's a she!
13:09 <TitsnAss> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07
13:09 <TitsnAss> u spelled later wrong
13:09 <TitsnAss> you spelled it leter
13:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:09 <TitsnAss> so that operation didn't suceeed
13:09 <TitsnAss> above
13:09 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:10 <TitsnAss> #later tell Luke-Jr 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
13:10 <TitsnAss> yea
13:10 <TitsnAss> that one
13:10 <wrtlprnft> armabot is ignoring you!
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #notes Luke-Jr
13:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 2 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:06 <TitsnAss> i'm trying to pay him money.. i dont think he would decline that, Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> or can get anyone to pay for his overpriced domains/hosting, Sent 1 minute ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> many of my friends get domains from yahoo 3 bucks a year and hes trying to sell it for 12 bucks, and Sent just now: (1 more message)
13:10 <TitsnAss> :)
13:10 <TitsnAss> #notes Luke-Jr
13:10 <wrtlprnft> wrong order tho
13:10 <TitsnAss> how come the bot is ignoring me
13:10 <TitsnAss> #ignore lis
13:10 <TitsnAss> t
13:10 <TitsnAss> #ignore list
13:10 <TitsnAss> bah
13:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma made her do that
13:11 <TitsnAss> can you undo it?
13:11 <wrtlprnft> sice you were in here and annoying everyone
13:11 <wrtlprnft> i can't
13:11 <TitsnAss> :<
13:11 <TitsnAss> :>
13:11 <TitsnAss> : >
13:11 <TitsnAss> bad lucifer..
13:12 <wrtlprnft> i think Lucifer_arma is ignoring you too
13:12 <wrtlprnft> he doesn't clear out his ignore list as often as i do
13:12 <TitsnAss> o
13:12 <TitsnAss> your a good boy
13:13 <TitsnAss> or girl
13:13 <TitsnAss> or... bot whatever you are
13:13 <TitsnAss> tell him to email me at alienwarecrazy@gmail.com
13:13 <TitsnAss> kk
13:13 <TitsnAss> lat3r
13:13 <wrtlprnft> cya
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13:16 <DrJoeTron> man he's annoying
13:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:16 <spidey_> haha
13:16 <spidey_> i'm glad i was asleep
13:17 <DrJoeTron> i dont remember him being like this at all. did he fall out of several tree's?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: you found a match in annoyingness
13:17 <wrtlprnft> now don't fight for it, ok?
13:17 <spidey_> ;x
13:17 <spidey_> i'll try
13:17 <spidey_> ;s
13:17 <spidey_> i maybe annoying
13:17 <spidey_> but he's annoying and retarded ;x
13:18 <DrJoeTron> you two would make a cute couple ^^
13:18 <spidey_> i'm already yours ;x
13:18 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:19 -!- You're now known as TNASlapper
13:19 <spidey_> haha
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:19 * TNASlapper slaps TitsnAss
13:20 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
13:28 <wrtlprnft> ARGH!
13:28 <wrtlprnft> looks like I caused that crash after all
13:28 <spidey_> *Laughs*
13:28 <spidey_> hmm
13:28 <spidey_> lmao
13:28 <spidey_> Be Right Back.
13:28 <spidey_> wtf
13:28 <spidey_> O.o
13:28 <spidey_> Be Back Later
13:28 <spidey_> cooooooooool
13:29 <wrtlprnft> omg
13:29 <wrtlprnft> /sience spidey_
13:29 <spidey_> *Laughs*
13:29 <spidey_> sience?
13:29 <wrtlprnft> /silence spidey_
13:29 <spidey_> mwh
13:29 <spidey_> meh*
13:31 <wrtlprnft> fuck Luke-Jr's snailmail change in all files
13:31 <wrtlprnft> now i have to completely recompile arma if i switch between revisions
13:36 <wrtlprnft> great, just great
13:36 <wrtlprnft> now i just hoped I fixed the trunk, now Luke-Jr's addition won't compile
13:38 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Luke-Jr did you forget to commit cWidgetBase.cpp? The current version is incompatible with your tValue changes
13:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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13:43 <wrtlprnft> short visit
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5932 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWall.cpp zone/zZone.cpp zone/zZone.h):
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - commented out assert in gWall.cpp, it still stops the game for no apparent reason
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - reverted my fix with the HUD map once again since it caused some trouble I don't understand. Shots on pig sty won't disappear anymore, but at least the game won't crash.
13:56 <armabot> armagetronad: This makes the game useable again, though luke's last commit won't compile, downgrade tValue.* to r5929 if you want to compile it.
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14:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5933 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/ (preview.php unknown.png): Added a real 404 message and enabled viewing at least basic information about cockpits.
14:27 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
14:28 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
14:31 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5934 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Show the source code for non- aamap files. "Other versions" links should be fixed now too, though I can't test it.
14:31 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:32 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
14:32 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
14:33 <DrJoeTron> #serverlist
14:33 <DrJoeTron> :/
14:35 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
14:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
14:35 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be permanently broken now
14:35 <DrJoeTron> ruh roh
14:40 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5935 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Only try to generate previews if possible.
14:40 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
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15:00 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:01 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.2.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5936 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: More double- slash fixes.
15:04 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5937 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Ack, don't change 'http://' to 'http:/' of course!
15:05 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:07 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
15:07 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
15:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5938 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Fixed 404 header.
15:08 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:10 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5939 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Bumped version number.
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/classic-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
15:12 <spidey_> you wanna know what's fucked up
15:12 <spidey_> when someone calls me yesterday and i can't even remember it
15:13 <spidey_> worse part my grandma "woke me up" which i don't remember so i could talk to them
15:13 <spidey_> but i wasn't awake ;D
15:13 <spidey_> hope i didn't tell on myself :s
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15:20 <DrJoeTron> aww no one is in tit's server"(
15:20 <DrJoeTron> gee its such a good server
15:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wanna see a fun server?
15:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> play on mine, guess you'll find out why it's called psychotron
15:22 <DrJoeTron> do i need 2.8.2
15:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just noticed it crashed or something...
15:22 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should be up and running now
15:24 <linuxlizzard> hey
15:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i'm not sure what's the minimum version
15:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's running on 0.3.0
15:26 <DrJoeTron> yo lizzard
15:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey lizz
15:26 <linuxlizzard> X)
15:26 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
15:27 <DrJoeTron> you see the recient wii specs?
15:28 <linuxlizzard> jaja
15:28 <linuxlizzard> the latest rumor is that it may run on linux X)
15:28 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/02/zscanner-700-almost-as-cool-as-a-view-master-3d/ looks like a fun new way to make bike models :p
15:28 <DrJoeTron> haha surre it will
15:31 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5940 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Show dirs before files.
15:31 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5941 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/unknown.png: Made icon compatible with IE
15:33 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
15:34 * wrtlprnft smacks IE
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15:42 <spidey_> hmm
15:42 <spidey_> i've got a idea!
15:42 <spidey_> maybe
15:42 * spidey_ starts reading bash
15:43 <spidey_> s/bash/batch
15:45 <wrtlprnft> bash > batch
15:45 <spidey_> alligator mouth eats loser
15:45 <spidey_> besides it's for windows
15:45 <spidey_> so batch
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> get cygwin
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and run bash on windows
15:46 <spidey_> i got it
15:46 <spidey_> >.<
15:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> something i'm still waiting for is mod_bash for apache
15:46 <spidey_> you know how you put something in /usr/bin in linux and you can run it by typing it in konsole?
15:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> chmod +x
15:47 <spidey_> well i'ma make batch scripts for all the programs i use put them in \windows\system32
15:47 <spidey_> and do the same
15:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the suffering of the windows user ><
15:48 <spidey_> when wine supports the games i play
15:48 <spidey_> i'll stop dual booting
15:48 <spidey_> till then
15:48 <spidey_> windows always has a partition :p
15:48 <spidey_> well
15:48 <spidey_> windows gets the 12gig drive
15:48 <spidey_> linux gets a 30gig partition on my 111gig drive
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm currently trying to get hl2 running under wine
15:49 <spidey_> wait till the new release
15:49 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: what's wrong with using CGI?
15:49 <spidey_> it'll support hl2 and some other game
15:49 <wrtlprnft> bash loads blazing fast anyways
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [Xpert]DarkStar: i want mod_bash on my own webserver
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause it
15:49 <wrtlprnft> ...
15:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 's the only language i really can
15:50 <wrtlprnft> well, use CGI
15:50 <wrtlprnft> any bigger bash script calls bash many times anyways
15:50 <wrtlprnft> so there's no problem with having to load it on each call
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15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
15:51 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
15:51 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi ghableska
15:51 <ghableska> hi [Xpert]DarkStar
15:52 <spidey_> this
15:52 <spidey_> is windows wanting to be linux
15:52 <spidey_> http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/2836/wannabelinuxja2.jpg
15:52 <spidey_> ;x
15:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone know what libdl is?
15:52 <linuxlizzard> haha
15:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey_: not that bad ^^
15:52 <wrtlprnft> #google libdl
15:52 <spidey_> ;D
15:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.47 seconds: BeBits - libdl .so: <http://www.bebits.com/app/2917>; libdl @Everything2.com: <http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=978595>; RPM resource libdl .so.2: <http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libdl.so.2>; docs.sun.com: man pages section 3: Library Interfaces and Headers: <http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-0218/6m6nirqld?a=view>; RPM (2 more messages)
15:52 <wrtlprnft> looks awful :P
15:52 <spidey_> haha
15:53 <spidey_> my stupid client keeps talking to me
15:53 <wrtlprnft> tooo much black
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey_: is that fluxbox?
15:53 <spidey_> everytime someone posts a link it says
15:53 <spidey_> "site address has been stored"
15:53 <spidey_> >.<
15:53 <linuxlizzard> heh
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://a.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://b.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://c.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://d.com
15:53 <wrtlprnft> http://e.com
15:53 <linuxlizzard> yes
15:53 <spidey_> [Xpert]DarkStar. blackbox
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to use fluxbox
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now using gnome
15:54 <spidey_> gnome sucks
15:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to each their own
15:54 <spidey_> ;x
15:54 <wrtlprnft> gnome sucks
15:54 <spidey_> when i'm on linux i either use kde of fluxbox
15:55 <wrtlprnft> wannabe max
15:55 <wrtlprnft> *wannabe mac
15:55 <spidey_> ohh
15:55 <spidey_> i can make windows look like mac to
15:56 <wrtlprnft> gnome is wannabe mac
15:56 <spidey_> i get 120+ fps in tron now because
15:56 <spidey_> with this thing
15:56 <spidey_> i right click
15:56 <spidey_> disable plugins
15:57 <spidey_> then it's a blank desktop
15:57 <spidey_> and i get the extra fps
15:57 <spidey_> because there's nothing loaded on the desktop
15:57 <spidey_> ;x
15:57 <wrtlprnft> an idle desktop shouldn't eat any CPU
15:57 <spidey_> .....
15:57 <spidey_> who said anythng about cpu
15:57 <spidey_> i was talking about gpu
15:57 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't eat any anything
15:58 <spidey_> it doesn't
15:58 <spidey_> nvm
15:58 <spidey_> on linux i don't even get 120+ fps
15:58 <spidey_> so it's not a windows/linux thing ;)
16:03 <spidey_> hmm
16:03 <spidey_> i wish i hadn't put that damned stereo ontop of the computers >.<
16:03 <spidey_> Be Right Back. adding ram to this box
16:04 <spidey_> Current System Configuration �I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n�
16:04 <spidey_> Operating System: Windows XP Build 2600 up for 22 hours, 40 minutes 27 seconds
16:04 <spidey_> CPU/MEM: 1 Intel , 2193MHz with Currently 261 of 376MB in use which is 69.41%
16:04 <spidey_> Storage System: n/a Internet Connection: n/a
16:04 <spidey_> Display System: n/a using a n/a monitor at 1280 by 1024 32bit color 60Hz refresh
16:04 <ghableska> :O
16:05 <wrtlprnft> stfu or I'll ask guru3 to disable colors
16:05 <spidey_> Current Drive Storage Status. �I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n�
16:05 <spidey_> Drive C of 111G has 50.1G free. Drive F of 12.7G has 8.11G free.
16:05 <spidey_> Total Storage: 124G Total Used: 66.2G Total Free: 58.2G
16:05 <spidey_> hmm
16:05 <spidey_> weird
16:05 <spidey_> anywho
16:05 <spidey_> Be Right Back.
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16:05 <wrtlprnft> i hope he'll take a whie
16:05 <wrtlprnft> l
16:06 <guru3> yeah
16:06 <ghableska> heh
16:16 <DrJoeTron> time to go back to school and pick classes
16:16 * DrJoeTron hates this week
16:18 <linuxlizzard> hah
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16:26 <spidey> yay for 1 things
16:26 <spidey> 1 more ram
16:26 <spidey> 2 my bnc works again
16:26 <spidey> >.<
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16:32 <spidey> #g 256+256
16:32 <armabot> 256 + 256 = 512
16:33 <spidey> er
16:33 * spidey goes to tron
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16:49 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
16:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || �/xf5fbff�ps Arena (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || 1V1 Sumo Arena (4 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (4 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (3 players) || Mutiny Clan Server (3 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (3 players) || Norm's Place (3 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (3 (1 more message)
16:49 <Vanhayes> wow it worked
16:50 <Vanhayes> #more
16:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: players) || Team LOL Server {by TNA} (2 players) || LumaTron (2 players) || RaceToWinzone (Testversion) (2 players) || Stonehenge hide and seek zones! (1 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
16:50 <wrtlprnft> wtf?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> it works?!
16:50 <Vanhayes> maybe it fixed itself?
16:50 <wrtlprnft> maybe guru3 fixed it ;)
16:51 <guru3> no there's something wrong
16:51 <guru3> with one of the master servers or something
16:51 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with STM
16:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 2375 messages.
16:51 <guru3> and when it picks that one randomly
16:51 <guru3> it craps out
16:51 <guru3> and the update fails
16:51 <wrtlprnft> ah
17:00 <guru3> at least
17:00 <guru3> that's my theory
17:00 <guru3> as to why it fails
17:00 <guru3> bottom line is that it does fail
17:13 <wrtlprnft> just have it try again immediately?
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17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:23 <Vanhayes> heh
17:23 <mathot> #heh
17:23 <Vanhayes> lol
17:23 <mathot> :-D
17:24 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: I guess you have to wait a while before trying again
17:24 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:25 <mathot> the tigers classic server went down today
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #help armaservers
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (armaservers [<number of headlines>]) -- Reports the titles for armaservers at the RSS feed <http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverrss.php>. If <number of headlines> is given, returns only that many headlines. RSS feeds are only looked up every supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod seconds, which defaults to 1800 (30 minutes) since that's what most websites prefer.
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17:27 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
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17:36 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
17:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
17:37 <Vanhayes> #later tell ghableska Vanhayes said Hello.
17:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
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17:44 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: we managed to find out why SD's maps get rendered with some weird lines in your previewer: They have double points :S
17:44 <wrtlprnft> ie two consecutive points with the same coordinates in the same <Wall> element
17:44 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Self_Destructo/square/fmap-1.2.0.aamap.xml
17:45 <wrtlprnft> the fixed version renders fine: http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.1.aamap.xml
17:45 <nemostultae> OK. Let me try to reproduce a simple testcase, so I can file a bug.
17:47 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:47 <Luke-Jr> blah, TNA is annoying
17:48 <Luke-Jr> I told him I couldn't compete with webhosting or domains. But he was SO sure he'd already sold a few at $12/yr
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17:52 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/square/fmap-1.2.2.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
17:54 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/20dcd5 <-- note the "URL" attribute
17:55 * Luke-Jr noticed
17:55 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oops re cWidgitBase
17:55 <Luke-Jr> did you already fix it, or should I commit mind?
17:55 <Luke-Jr> mine*
17:56 <wrtlprnft> youors
17:56 <wrtlprnft> *yours
17:56 <wrtlprnft> i assumed you wouldn't commit anything broken and didn't wanna do the work twice
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5942 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Fix to work with new subclass math operators
17:57 <Luke-Jr> heh
17:57 <Luke-Jr> well, I *was* tired last night
17:57 <Luke-Jr> and Svn for some reason didn't update my code with your beautification
17:57 <Luke-Jr> so I need to manually diff/patch my changes to current trunk
17:58 <wrtlprnft> my beautification?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> or someones
17:58 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:58 <wrtlprnft> that's ph who made it
17:58 <Luke-Jr> everything was reindented
17:58 <wrtlprnft> and you need to do make rebeautify
17:58 <Luke-Jr> so I had to use diff -Bb to move changes over
17:58 <Luke-Jr> cuz Svn was dumb and didn't update it
17:58 <wrtlprnft> make rebeautify on both checkouts
17:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:59 <wrtlprnft> make rebeautify changed 22 files
18:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
18:00 <wrtlprnft> did you change the indentation when you did the snailmail change?
18:00 <Luke-Jr> not AFAIK
18:00 <Luke-Jr> I used sed
18:02 <wrtlprnft> weird
18:02 <wrtlprnft> did someone change the make rebeautify command?
18:02 <wrtlprnft> apart from your change gExplosion.cpp was last changed by Lucifer_arma on June 6
18:03 <Luke-Jr> [Xpert]DarkStar: IIRC, libdl is the dynamic linker
18:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: does the math subclass ops work now?
18:03 <wrtlprnft> didn't try yet
18:05 <wrtlprnft> shall i commit the rebeautified stuff?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> the new math stuff seems to work fine.
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: wanna make factories for all tValues? ;)
18:09 <wrtlprnft> that big if/elseif thing is ugly
18:10 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't if/elseif you could make a std::map<tString, tValue::BasePtr(*)(tValue::BasePtr const &, tValue::BasePtr const&)> and use that
18:11 <wrtlprnft> it would probably even be a tiny bit more performant
18:11 <wrtlprnft> hint, hint
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18:14 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf is a factor?
18:15 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:15 <wrtlprnft> x*y=z
18:15 <wrtlprnft> x is a factor
18:15 <wrtlprnft> y is a factor
18:15 <Luke-Jr> and I was told in ##c++ that C++ cannot store class pointers
18:15 <wrtlprnft> z is the product
18:15 <Luke-Jr> factory*
18:15 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:15 <wrtlprnft> a factory basically is a class pointer :)
18:15 <wrtlprnft> you put a static function in every class
18:15 <Luke-Jr> besides, you could probably do it since you know what you're talking about =p
18:16 <Luke-Jr> oh, like copy? =p
18:16 <wrtlprnft> that function creates a new instance and returns it
18:16 <wrtlprnft> static Class * Factory(arg1, arg2) {
18:16 <wrtlprnft> return new Class(arg1, arg2);
18:16 <wrtlprnft> }
18:16 <wrtlprnft> and then you can store function pointers
18:17 <Luke-Jr> i c
18:17 <wrtlprnft> uh, not quite like that
18:17 <Luke-Jr> any way to use template for copy/factory?
18:17 <wrtlprnft> you could use a macro
18:17 <wrtlprnft> but no template
18:18 <Luke-Jr> oh, right-- it needs to be virtual
18:18 <wrtlprnft> class Derived : public Base {
18:18 <wrtlprnft> Base(args) {}
18:18 <wrtlprnft> ack
18:18 <wrtlprnft> i can't write code in IRC
18:19 <wrtlprnft> class Derived : public Base {
18:19 <wrtlprnft> Derived(args) {}
18:19 <wrtlprnft> Base * factory(args) {
18:19 <Luke-Jr> well, if you want to do the factory and/or copy-macro stuff, feel free-- I'm probably going to subclass-ify the comparison stuff next, and then finish the parser
18:19 <wrtlprnft> i guess I'll do it
18:21 <Luke-Jr> BTW, I wasn't able to kill ::copy =p
18:22 <wrtlprnft> just get rid of every place that uses it?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> it should mostly be tValue::Set
18:23 <wrtlprnft> you can just copy the BasePtr now as it will refcount
18:23 <Luke-Jr> it's used everywhere
18:23 <Luke-Jr> and not everything is a BasePtr
18:24 <Luke-Jr> for example, I have no clue how to make 'this' into a BasePtr
18:24 <Luke-Jr> anyway, something else might need ::copy someday, so I figure maybe just leave it
18:24 <Luke-Jr> especially if it can be mostly macro-ified
18:24 <wrtlprnft> macros are so C :s
18:25 <Luke-Jr> well blame C++ for not allowing virtual templates? =p
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18:25 <ghableska> hi Lackadaisical
18:25 <Lackadaisical> hi
18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: am I correct that Base::GetValue should never be called?
18:26 <wrtlprnft> not really
18:26 <wrtlprnft> my code uses Base as a dummy
18:26 <Luke-Jr> ah
18:26 <Luke-Jr> hm
18:27 <wrtlprnft> for cases where there is just nothing to be stored
18:27 <wrtlprnft> buggy cockpit files might cause it to be called
18:27 <Luke-Jr> such as? =p
18:28 <wrtlprnft> data sets in cockpit files always have a min, max, and value
18:28 <wrtlprnft> not in all cases min and max are needed so I allow omitting it
18:28 <wrtlprnft> if it's not defined it will be a tValue::Base
18:29 <Luke-Jr> i c
18:29 <wrtlprnft> buggy as in "created by spidey"
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18:33 <TitsnAss> yo luke
18:34 <TitsnAss> anyone here
18:37 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5943 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Forgot that resources with no given type attribute default to aamaps.
18:37 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:39 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: no
18:39 <TitsnAss> kk
18:40 <wrtlprnft> does anyone have an idea for a better aacockpit icon?
18:40 <TitsnAss> talk to me in PM
18:40 <wrtlprnft> supper, bbl
18:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: a preview
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18:44 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:45 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss_: /nick and PM
18:45 <TitsnAss_> what?
18:45 <TitsnAss_> hi
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18:45 <TitsnAss> ok
18:45 <TitsnAss> yo
18:45 <TitsnAss> are u there
18:46 <TitsnAss> yoo luke i wann pay
18:46 <TitsnAss> are u there?
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18:46 <Luke-Jr> omg
18:46 <Luke-Jr> what an idiot
18:47 <ghableska> :P
18:48 * DrJoeTron registered
18:48 * DrJoeTron for classes :D
18:50 <linuxlizzard> hehe
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18:51 <TitsnAss> okback
18:51 <linuxlizzard> hiya
18:51 <DrJoeTron> im hungry
18:52 <TitsnAss> dr joe tron
18:52 <DrJoeTron> yes?
18:52 <TitsnAss> how much do u think a 16 player slot server would cost
18:52 <TitsnAss> 10 bucks
18:52 <TitsnAss> ?
18:52 <DrJoeTron> free
18:52 <TitsnAss> eh
18:52 <DrJoeTron> i would never pay for a server on this game
18:52 <TitsnAss> where can i get one for free
18:53 <DrJoeTron> garbage pick up
18:53 <TitsnAss> How much do people that pay for servers pay?
18:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: make a preview script then
18:53 <TitsnAss> Luke-jr are you there
18:53 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i know
18:53 <TitsnAss> luke i'll pay u 16 bucks
18:53 <TitsnAss> happy?
18:53 <DrJoeTron> i dont know anyone but you who pays for arma server
18:54 <TitsnAss> do you know anyone who can host me one
18:54 <DrJoeTron> not really
18:56 <DrJoeTron> i know luke jr does
18:56 <DrJoeTron> talk to him
18:56 <TitsnAss> lol
18:57 <linuxlizzard> heh,I just found a box and plugged it in :)
18:57 <DrJoeTron> you should see the lobster tub
18:57 <DrJoeTron> its not even in a box
18:57 <DrJoeTron> its on a gian metal slab
18:57 <Luke-Jr> linuxlizzard: that won't get low ping times =p
18:57 <linuxlizzard> hehe
18:57 <TitsnAss> where does luke live
18:57 <linuxlizzard> its been good enough so far ;)
18:57 <DrJoeTron> yeah luke where do you live
18:58 <DrJoeTron> i get like 30 ping on your server
18:58 <TitsnAss> he lives in misouri
18:58 <DrJoeTron> that would be why
19:01 <DrJoeTron> lizzard i gotta show you pics of the lobster tub
19:02 <linuxlizzard> oh yes
19:02 <DrJoeTron> its a pile of parts that make a server
19:02 <linuxlizzard> hah
19:02 <DrJoeTron> sitting under gomes's desk
19:02 <linuxlizzard> are you gonna do the lobster tank thing
19:02 <DrJoeTron> he kicks it accidently from time to time :p
19:02 <linuxlizzard> cuz that would be kewl
19:02 <DrJoeTron> i was about to
19:02 <linuxlizzard> lol
19:02 <DrJoeTron> but the pc i got
19:02 <DrJoeTron> wasnt good enough
19:02 <linuxlizzard> I see
19:02 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I live in Missouri-- my server I host on is somewhere in NJ or Chicago, IIRC
19:03 <TitsnAss> luke i sent wiildcat ur details
19:03 <TitsnAss> 15 bucks a month right
19:03 <TitsnAss> we will pay this month 15 bucks
19:03 <TitsnAss> then we will ralley together for the rest
19:03 <TitsnAss> 16 bucks*
19:03 <linuxlizzard> heh
19:04 <DrJoeTron> we thought about making lobster tub be the tank
19:04 <DrJoeTron> but eh
19:04 <Luke-Jr> ya
19:04 <TitsnAss> kk
19:04 <TitsnAss> nice
19:04 <DrJoeTron> we have no place putting the tank
19:04 <linuxlizzard> I see
19:04 <TitsnAss> wait for our 16 bucks
19:04 <DrJoeTron> but one day
19:04 <TitsnAss> does that cover multiply connections
19:04 <TitsnAss> like backup of the server
19:04 <TitsnAss> as many servers or just one
19:04 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:04 <Luke-Jr> one 16 slot server
19:04 <Luke-Jr> I do backups fairly often
19:05 <TitsnAss> o ok
19:05 <TitsnAss> You know in ur web interface
19:05 <TitsnAss> could you save my current settings and call it fortres
19:05 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:05 <TitsnAss> and then make a menu
19:05 <TitsnAss> with the settings for fortress
19:05 <TitsnAss> that i have
19:05 <spidey> lol
19:05 <Luke-Jr> ???
19:05 <TitsnAss> Look
19:05 <TitsnAss> Settings that i currently have
19:05 <TitsnAss> Save it as : Fortress in another page
19:06 <TitsnAss> and then whenever i create new settings can i be able to save them as a name
19:06 <TitsnAss> so i can switch through settings faster
19:06 <TitsnAss> like from fortress to sumo
19:06 <Luke-Jr> o
19:06 <Luke-Jr> i c
19:06 <TitsnAss> yeah
19:06 <TitsnAss> it would be easier
19:06 <Luke-Jr> ya
19:06 <Luke-Jr> I'll put it on my to-do list-- might be a few days
19:07 <TitsnAss> kk
19:07 <spidey> ????
19:07 <spidey> dude
19:07 <spidey> all you have to do is include it
19:07 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: when it's done, you'll use 'include profile/name'
19:07 <Luke-Jr> or smth like that
19:07 <TitsnAss> lol
19:07 <TitsnAss> k
19:07 <spidey> like /admin include examples/cvs_test/sumo_complete.cfg
19:07 <spidey> or
19:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: the web interface doesn't make it possible to add them yet tho
19:07 <TitsnAss> kk
19:07 <TitsnAss> shut up spidey :)
19:07 <spidey> but why?
19:07 <spidey> they're already there
19:08 <spidey> it's default resource
19:08 <Luke-Jr> spidey: he wants custom ones
19:08 <spidey> oh
19:08 <spidey> i saved mine on the backup drive so it's copy and paste ;x
19:08 <Luke-Jr> TitsnAss: tho spidey's point does go for z-man's sumo settings
19:08 <spidey> TitsnAss kiss my ass
19:08 <TitsnAss> first kiss mine
19:09 <spidey> ...
19:09 <TitsnAss> ....
19:10 <DrJoeTron> Go Team Venture
19:10 <TitsnAss> eh?
19:11 <TitsnAss> : .
19:11 <TitsnAss> ok its back to peanut butter and pr0n time
19:11 <TitsnAss> seeya
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19:12 * DrJoeTron smashes nails into his eyes
19:12 <DrJoeTron> god why
19:12 <spidey> i really don't like that guy
19:12 <GodTodd> peanut butter and pr0n? don't think i wanna know...
19:13 * spidey goes back to watching zombie movies
19:13 <Luke-Jr> @.@
19:13 * DrJoeTron goes back to mario kart ds
19:13 <GodTodd> with peanut butter? ;)
19:13 <DrJoeTron> crunchy ;D
19:14 <GodTodd> lol
19:14 <GodTodd> i think titsnass is using creamy....
19:14 <GodTodd> :X
19:14 <DrJoeTron> hahahaha
19:14 <DrJoeTron> hooo. man
19:14 <DrJoeTron> probably with the dullest butter knife ;d
19:15 <spidey> the devils rejects
19:15 <spidey> ;x
19:15 <spidey> reminds me of Lucifer_arma
19:15 <DrJoeTron> Land of the dead :D
19:15 <spidey> got it
19:15 <DrJoeTron> good!
19:15 <spidey> dawn of the dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> i love it:p
19:15 <spidey> night of the living dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> its funny too
19:15 <spidey> day of the dead
19:15 <DrJoeTron> because two of those actors
19:15 <spidey> resident evil 1&2
19:15 <DrJoeTron> are in the Super Mario Bros Movie
19:15 <spidey> shuan of the dead is funny
19:15 <DrJoeTron> pretty much doing the same rolls
19:16 <spidey> i've got like
19:16 <spidey> 80 movies
19:16 <DrJoeTron> dawn of the dead remake was funny
19:16 <spidey> i want the first one
19:16 <spidey> but can't find i
19:16 <spidey> tt
19:16 <spidey> :/
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19:17 <DrJoeTron> its not bad
19:17 <DrJoeTron> oh come on
19:17 <DrJoeTron> you like zombie movies but you dont have half life 2?
19:17 <DrJoeTron> oh god
19:17 <DrJoeTron> ravenholm is soo crazy
19:17 <DrJoeTron> We Don't Go to ravenholm :p
19:18 <DrJoeTron> flinging people around with the gravity gun :D
19:18 * DrJoeTron goes to load up steam
19:25 <spidey> i haven't played hl2
19:25 <Luke-Jr> https://www.scifiboxsets.com/ Does this look legit?
19:26 <DrJoeTron> over priced if you ask me
19:27 <DrJoeTron> brb
19:27 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: really? You can get all 9 seasons of X-Files for under $180?
19:27 <Luke-Jr> that's < $1/ep
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20:14 <Compn1> Luke-Jr : well its cheaper than amazon
20:14 <Compn1> it looks legit
20:14 <Compn1> they replace broken discs too
20:15 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron took too long to respond, and I was impatient, so I ordered =p
20:29 <wrtlprnft> looks like arma as I know it is dying away :(
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 1) Lucifer_arma cuts down his development to almost 0. No more dev discussions and stuff
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 2) BF Fortress is going down
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 3) I'm actually working together with Luke-Jr
20:33 <Vanhayes> bugfarm is going down??
20:36 <Lackadaisical> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80261#80261
20:36 <Vanhayes> heh ya i just read that, explains why so many people were in US fortress yesturday
20:38 <Lackadaisical> guess i'm back to playing with a transatlantic ping ;)
20:38 <Compn1> the big question
20:38 <Compn1> is where will zman play now?
20:38 <Compn1> on CT wild fort? :P
20:40 <wrtlprnft> Compn1: no, his own servers
20:40 <wrtlprnft> they just won't be fortress anymore
20:40 <Compn1> ah
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20:41 <wrtlprnft> more ads in quit messages :S
20:42 <Compn1> more crappy irc clients :S
20:44 <wrtlprnft> my client doesn't have ads in its default quit message
20:44 <wrtlprnft> it is so great it doesn't need them :)
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20:45 <wrtlprnft> hi there
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20:47 <nemostultae> heh
20:47 <Nixda909> hi
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20:48 <nemostultae> hi bye
20:50 <wrtlprnft> :S
20:51 <spidey> that police offer in the devil rejects got owned
20:51 <spidey> ;s
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21:06 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:07 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell me why lagometer is spelled laggometer in some places and not in some others?
21:23 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com ...i'm so damn good i broke it ;x
21:29 <spidey> hmm
21:31 <wrtlprnft> #google dict threshold
21:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.21 seconds: threshold - definition by dict .die.net: <http://dict.die.net/threshold/>; difference threshold - definition by dict .die.net: <http://dict.die.net/difference%20threshold/>; """Caching dictionary that uses access times to decide which ...: <http://orca.mojam.com/~skip/python/Cache.py>; [Tutor] Re: Unique Items in Lists: (3 more messages)
21:32 <spidey> bugfarm's going down?
21:32 <spidey> :(
21:34 <wrtlprnft> it is NOT going down
21:35 <spidey> ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> BF fortress is going down probably in its current state
21:35 <spidey> .....
21:35 <spidey> are you pulling a Luke-Jr? >.<
21:36 <wrtlprnft> there'll be other BF servers
21:37 <spidey> hm
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin' around?
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5944 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Added meriton's improved Lag-O-Meter and axes indicator: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6761 .
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Moved all the defined classes into a new namespace to avoid possible future conflicts as the code doesn't use our normal naming convention.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Made the color blend factor and minimal size of the Lag-O-Meter configurable.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added option to use the old Lag-O-Meter, this will disappear (#ifdef'd out actually) in the trunk.
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added menu option to render the axes indicator.
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5945 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (38 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5846 to 5944:
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: r5852 | z-man | 2006-07-28 21:51:08 +0200 (Fri, 28 Jul 2006) | 5 lines
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: Added StateUpdate() to stuff that is called right after network data is
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: received. This should fix the short rounds at match end if a player scores
22:19 <armabot> armagetronad: at the last possible momemt when the round restart has already been decided,
22:19 <wrtlprnft> I hope i did that right x_x
22:19 <guru3> what do you think of autodeleting forums users that haven't activated within a month?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:20 <wrtlprnft> what's the exact use?
22:20 <wrtlprnft> they can't post anything anyways
22:20 <guru3> helping to remove of spam registrations
22:20 <wrtlprnft> it's your forums, just make sure you have backups ;)
22:21 <guru3> eh what
22:21 <guru3> i make all my changes to the php live
22:24 <wrtlprnft> no, if you run a mysql command to delete all those users
22:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5946 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Disable the old Lag-O-Meter in the trunk.
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22:31 <TitsnAss> hi
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@87.123.148.255] has joined #armagetron
22:33 <TitsnAss> yo
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I'm partial to a longer interval, but it's up to you. :)
22:33 <guru3> just an idea i had
22:35 <wrtlprnft> enjoy the new lagometer :)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> why am I always the one that merges meriton's code?
22:36 <TitsnAss> :)
22:36 <TitsnAss> i hate you guys *wimpers*
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22:36 <guru3> woo he r gone
22:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
22:37 <wrtlprnft> x_x
22:37 -!- linuxlizzard [n=linuxl@ip68-0-231-217.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["brb..."]
22:37 <wrtlprnft> i guess we already /ignored him and showed our dislike of him to have him leave
22:37 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by guru3
22:37 <wrtlprnft> *enough
22:37 <@guru3> someone remind me to remove that
22:37 <@guru3> in a couple of days
22:37 <wrtlprnft> does that disable colors?
22:37 <@guru3> no
22:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, guess not
22:38 <wrtlprnft> what is +b then?
22:38 <@guru3> ban
22:38 <GodTodd> block
22:38 <GodTodd> yeah that
22:38 <GodTodd> :)
22:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
22:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, bans him, ok
22:38 <wrtlprnft> right, it has a parameter
22:39 <wrtlprnft> that guy lives in Canada?!
22:39 <wrtlprnft> or does ca mean cable?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> i guess only comcast knows
22:39 <guru3> geoiplookup c-24-5-241-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
22:39 <guru3> GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States
22:40 <GodTodd> probably california
22:40 <GodTodd> *** GodTodd is n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net
22:40 <GodTodd> that's mine and tx is texas
22:40 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:41 <guru3> texas x)
22:41 <wrtlprnft> geoip sounds interesting
22:42 * wrtlprnft is emerging it
22:42 <guru3> it can be useful
22:42 <wrtlprnft> why don't i have a hostname with cablesurf in it anymore?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> well, just a naked IP is nice too
22:43 <guru3> 1
22:43 <guru3> i mean yeah
22:43 * guru3 can't decide which anime to watch
22:43 <wrtlprnft> just run one anime on each of your computers?
22:45 <guru3> can't watch more than one ep simultaenously
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22:48 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/Degree_Plan.ods <--- here it is again, just looks better now :)
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: still there? Heh, I'm coming and going
22:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm coming and going as well
22:52 <GodTodd> heh
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> that spreadsheet I put up there, if you're careful to do two things, you should be able to use it yourself
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> You have to make sure when you move classes around that you copy and paste the entire row
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> and you only change the look in the styles on the right. :)
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> You do have to go to the place on the right where the math is done and say whether a class is in-degree, in-college, and/or all, of course, to get the GPA computation working right
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's my plan, and it works for me. :)
22:57 <GodTodd> looks good...i'll have to try and steal it ;)
23:06 <GodTodd> fuck i hate ie
23:06 <GodTodd> heh
23:06 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: use something else
23:06 <spidey> ie!?!
23:06 <spidey> use firefox
23:06 <spidey> >.<
23:07 <wrtlprnft> use opera
23:07 * spidey tells wrtlprnft to bite him ahead of time
23:07 <spidey> 'er to slow
23:07 <wrtlprnft> if you want it fast and standards compliant
23:07 <GodTodd> i do...but virc makes me use ie for some fucked up reason...so i have to copy and paste the links instead of clicking
23:07 <GodTodd> :/
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23:07 <GodTodd> i use firefox as a normal browser
23:07 <spidey> use xchat
23:07 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: change the settings?
23:08 <GodTodd> i've looked for the setting
23:08 <GodTodd> don't see it in virc
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23:08 <spidey> use xchat
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> use Konversation
23:08 <wrtlprnft> use irssi
23:08 <spidey> he's not on linux
23:08 <spidey> are you?
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> that you need to install KDE is only a good thing
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, he's not
23:08 <GodTodd> not yet
23:09 <wrtlprnft> use irssi and you won't need to worry about clicking links at all
23:09 <wrtlprnft> you can't
23:09 <wrtlprnft> that's the only thing i dislike irssi for
23:09 <GodTodd> is xchat free?
23:09 <spidey> no
23:09 <GodTodd> i don't pay for chat clients
23:09 <spidey> i have a freeversion though
23:09 <spidey> :)
23:09 <spidey> the last free release >.<
23:10 <spidey> for windows anyways
23:10 <spidey> it's still free on linux
23:10 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey
23:10 <spidey> it's like 3megs
23:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: aww, is it really that bad working with me? :(
23:10 * wrtlprnft wouldn't execute something he got from spidey
23:10 <spidey> haha
23:10 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, that's the change
23:11 <spidey> ...
23:11 <spidey> what's that supposed to mean?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> that it's not exactly a safe thing
23:11 <spidey> ...
23:13 <GodTodd> hrmm...it's a tar
23:13 <spidey> ya
23:13 <spidey> i compressed it while i was on linux
23:13 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you've had bad experiences working with me before? or just discussing and hearsay? ;p
23:13 <wrtlprnft> learn to deal with tar.(bz2|gz) or you'll never make a switch to linux
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: discussing :P
23:14 <GodTodd> nah...i have no problems with tar....just checking to see if i have 7zip or not
23:14 <GodTodd> heh
23:15 * Lucifer_arma thinks konversation is a very nice irc client
23:16 * spidey thinks x-chat is better
23:16 * Luke-Jr thinks all IRC clients suck =p
23:16 * spidey thinks Luke-Jr is a hypocrite
23:16 * Lucifer_arma thinks he's been happier since he put Luke-Jr on his ignore list
23:16 <spidey> haha
23:17 * wrtlprnft thinks IRSSI kicks all other IRC clients' butts
23:17 * Luke-Jr thinks IRSSI only supports 9 channels at once and thus also sucks
23:17 <Luke-Jr> brb
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ?!
23:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: it does support more
23:18 <GodTodd> if all irc clients suck then what is Luke-Jr doing here?
23:18 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:19 <spidey> that's what i ment by he's a hypocrite
23:19 <spidey> :p
23:19 <GodTodd> i know
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Meta-1, Meta-2, .. Meta-0 - Jump directly between windows 1-10
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Meta-q .. Meta-o - Jump directly between windows 11-19
23:19 <wrtlprnft> /WINDOW <number> - Jump to any window with specified number
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23:19 <GodTodd> i was 'dumbing it down' ;)
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how is that limited to 9 windows?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> i count 19 windows that are directly accessible there
23:20 <wrtlprnft> and any number if you use /window
23:20 <wrtlprnft> and of course you can make your own bindings
23:21 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: all irc clients suck, that's why he's chatting using netcat
23:23 <spidey> lol
23:23 <wrtlprnft> so the only window limitation is in his head and his typing skills
23:27 <wrtlprnft> "all mail clients suck, this one just sucks less"
23:27 <wrtlprnft> though I'm not using mutt
23:28 <GodTodd> that's a pretty big limitation XD
23:32 * GodTodd officially crowns Luke-Jr King of Stupid Generalizations.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> all generalisations suck.
23:34 <GodTodd> i'm unique, just like everybody else
23:34 <wrtlprnft> all people in this channel lie.
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> all of my shit smells!
23:44 <GodTodd> mine does too...like freakin' roses :D
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> sorority girls are stupid!
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> man, I can't wait until this calc class is over and all the snotty UT kids go back to UT and leave us alone
23:52 <spidey> haha
23:53 <spidey> UT sounds familar
Log from 2006-08-03:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 03 2006
00:02 <spidey> #g 1,000,000 / 1,000
00:02 <armabot> 1,000,000 / 1,000 = 1,000
00:02 <spidey> erm
00:02 <spidey> that's not the answer i'm looking for >.<
00:03 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 1,000,000
00:03 <armabot> 1,000 / 1,000,000 = 0.001
00:03 <spidey> that's more like it
00:03 <spidey> i think
00:04 <spidey> #g 1,000 / 10
00:04 <armabot> 1,000 / 10 = 100
00:04 <spidey> hmm
00:04 <spidey> ok
00:04 <spidey> if 100 = 1,000
00:05 <spidey> well
00:05 <spidey> 10,000 = 1,000
00:06 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
00:06 <spidey> ?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> that's why my cockpit is so darn slow
00:06 <spidey> it's so big?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr's change to tValue kept outputting WARNING: Base::GetValue called!
00:06 <wrtlprnft> multiple times per frame
00:08 <wrtlprnft> and that into a screen session inside a konsole
00:08 <wrtlprnft> that does eat at least some CPU
00:08 <spidey> heh
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5947 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: (log message trimmed)
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5845 to 5946:
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: r5944 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-02 22:08:15 +0200 (Wed, 02 Aug 2006) | 6 lines
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Added meriton's improved Lag-O-Meter and axes indicator: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6761 .
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Moved all the defined classes into a new namespace to avoid possible future conflicts as the code doesn't use our normal naming convention.
00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: - Made the color blend factor and minimal size of the Lag-O-Meter configurable.
00:09 <spidey> if 1,000,000 dollars = 1,000 points
00:09 <spidey> how would i figure out how many dollars = 1 points
00:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, screen session usually help
00:09 <Luke-Jr> s
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5948 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Argh, I thought the last commit would amount to nothing. Reverting it. Sorry
00:10 <armabot> armagetronad: for log-spamming.
00:10 <spidey> screensessions never did anything to me.....
00:10 <spidey> i always had to use one to run luci's python script
00:12 <wrtlprnft> log-spamming? I never do that
00:12 <linuxlizzard> spidey, $1000 per point * 1000 points = 1,000,000 ;)
00:12 <spidey> oh ya
00:12 <spidey> well
00:12 <spidey> i was looking for a decimal
00:12 <spidey> i think
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> you have to be 3 years old to know true happiness
00:13 <spidey> lol
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> after that, all happiness is slightly fake
00:13 <wrtlprnft> why did z-man merge again?
00:14 <spidey> ??
00:14 <wrtlprnft> maybe I did something wrong
00:14 <spidey> he reverted a change?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> no
00:15 <wrtlprnft> that change he made himself
00:15 <wrtlprnft> looks like I did the merge wrong for SVN, getting the same result in the trunk, but missing some revision management thing
00:15 <wrtlprnft> and so he merged again, hoping nothing would change in the files themselves
00:16 <wrtlprnft> but svn merge added one line twice
00:16 <wrtlprnft> then he reverted that
00:16 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably see a forum post about it in a minute.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> z-man reached 4000 posts!
00:19 <spidey> O.o
00:20 <wrtlprnft> or maybe there won't be a post...
00:20 <spidey> #check calculator
00:20 <armabot> spidey: "calculator" may be spelled correctly.
00:20 <spidey> hmm
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i'll ask him next time he shows up here
00:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:20 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:20 <DrJoeTron> sorry luke, was at the hospital for about 4 hours
00:21 <linuxlizzard> hah, whats this for
00:45 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: O.o?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, installed bad-behavior on the wiki
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> now someone try to spam the wiki so I can see if it works, heh
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01:10 * deja_vu slaps spidey around with a camera *.*
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01:12 * spidey stabs deja_vu
01:12 <deja_vu> cool =]
01:12 <deja_vu> how sweet of you :)
01:12 <spidey> deja_vu
01:13 <deja_vu> spidey
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5949 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: wrtl says this is ok
01:30 <Luke-Jr> hum, tornado weather outside
01:30 <ghableska> :O
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02:34 <ghableska>
02:35 <spidey> -
02:35 <ghableska> {}
02:35 <spidey> {}
02:35 <ghableska> "
02:40 <spidey> "
02:44 <Vanhayes> *
02:46 * Vanhayes is finally done painting his house
02:46 <Vanhayes> it took 37 hours spaced over 6 days to do the whole thing.
02:46 <ghableska> :D
02:47 <ghableska> What color is it now?
02:47 <ghableska> Or were you just repainting it?
02:48 <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:48 <Vanhayes> last time it was painted was about 12 years ago so it really needed it
02:48 <spidey> ew
02:48 <spidey> black makes a room look so small
02:49 <Vanhayes> its the outside...
02:50 <spidey> a black house??
02:50 <Vanhayes> we've been painting the inside the last few years, only one room needs it now
02:50 <spidey> i've heard of yellow,tan,white,and even red
02:50 <spidey> but never black
02:50 <ghableska> Lol.
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last from Vanhayes with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <ghableska> O_o
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:50 <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
02:51 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:51 <spidey> #last --from Vanhayes --with eaves
02:51 <armabot> spidey: [19:51:53] <Vanhayes> #last with eaves
02:51 <spidey> owned
02:51 <Vanhayes> there we go
02:51 <spidey> O.o
02:51 <Vanhayes> ahaha
02:51 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> repainting the white and a new colour(black) on the eaves
02:51 <Vanhayes> there
02:51 <ghableska> Haha.
02:51 <Vanhayes> only the eaves are black
02:51 <Vanhayes> rest of the house is white
03:05 <ghableska> so...
03:22 <Vanhayes> ?
03:41 * Vanhayes pokes ghableska
03:42 * ghableska pokes back
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
03:54 <Vanhayes> bah
03:54 <Vanhayes> #list
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 08:27 AM, March 29, 2006)
03:56 <Vanhayes> #q
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 10:24 PM, March 26, 2006)
03:57 <Vanhayes> #list alias
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
03:57 <Vanhayes> #help svn
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (svn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN )".
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:01 <Vanhayes> #roulette
04:01 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
04:01 * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
04:02 <Vanhayes> armabot roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: *click*
04:02 <Vanhayes> #help roulette
04:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will.
04:03 <Vanhayes> # roulette spin
04:03 <armabot> *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky?
04:06 <Vanhayes> #list insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: 'insight' is not a valid plugin.
04:06 <Vanhayes> #help insight
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: (insight <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/insight.php".
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04:17 <spidey> lmao
04:18 <ghableska> ?
04:18 <spidey> if scope starts losing he leaves
04:18 <ghableska> :P
04:18 <spidey> that adianaine or wtf ever guy was him
04:18 <ghableska> did you win?
04:18 <spidey> i saw you join,why'd you leave
04:18 <spidey> :p
04:19 <ghableska> :P
04:19 <spidey> i won a few
04:19 <spidey> but my ping's like 300+ there
04:19 <spidey> for some reason
04:19 <ghableska> o.0
04:19 <ghableska> isn't the server in the US?
04:19 <spidey> new jersey
04:19 <ghableska> still...
04:19 <spidey> yes it's us
04:19 <spidey> routing must suck
04:20 <spidey> cause i get a better ping on bugfarm
04:20 <spidey> lol
04:20 <ghableska> lmao
04:20 <spidey> seriousl
04:20 <ghableska> my ping is usually around 80 there
04:20 <spidey> when there's only 4-5 people there
04:20 <ghableska> haha
04:20 <Vanhayes> umum I got a 91 in shrunkland, won and scope didnt run off
04:20 <spidey> i get 160-169
04:20 <ghableska> :P
04:20 <spidey> Vanhayes, but mostly he was in chatbot
04:20 <spidey> :p
04:20 <spidey> the last part >.<
04:20 <ghableska> that's my average ping on bf :P
04:21 <spidey> ghableska i hate you >.<
04:21 <ghableska> aww
04:21 <spidey> mine should lower when i get dsl
04:21 <ghableska> what do you have now?
04:21 <spidey> cable,lol
04:21 <ghableska> huh?
04:21 <spidey> but charter blows
04:21 <spidey> plus i'll be getting double the speed on the dsl connection i'm getting
04:21 <ghableska> oh
04:22 <spidey> i'll go from 3mbit to 6mbit
04:22 * Vanhayes is pretty sure he has 10 mbit
04:22 <spidey> no
04:22 <spidey> that's your eithernet card's max speed
04:22 <spidey> if you have 10mbit you're paying a shitload
04:23 <Vanhayes> .I think my ethernet is 100mbit
04:23 <spidey> www.speakeasy.com
04:23 <spidey> test your connection speed
04:23 <spidey> http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
04:24 <spidey> Download Speed: 1651 kbps (206.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> Upload Speed: 155 kbps (19.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <spidey> ah
04:24 <spidey> my isp is on pms
04:24 <spidey> that's why my ping's so high
04:24 <ghableska> Download Speed: 4706 kbps (588.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> Upload Speed: 242 kbps (30.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:24 <ghableska> :P
04:24 <spidey> like i said
04:24 <spidey> i hate you
04:28 <Vanhayes> hmm its lower than before
04:28 <Vanhayes> Download Speed: 4776 kbps (597 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <Vanhayes> Upload Speed: 347 kbps (43.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:28 <spidey> ;)
04:29 <ghableska> Grr.
04:29 * Vanhayes beat ghableska
04:29 * ghableska beat spidey :P
04:29 * Vanhayes beats spidey too
04:30 <ghableska> Vanhayes: are all your isp problems gone?
04:30 <ghableska> like how you used to leave servers randomly?
04:31 <Vanhayes> still happens when it rains
04:31 <ghableska> O_o
04:31 <Vanhayes> for the most part it stays up and stable
04:32 <ghableska> "for the most part" ;)
04:32 <Vanhayes> had a stable 130-140 in bugfarm
04:33 <Vanhayes> heh ya when it does go crazy it goes really crazy, at least 400 pings random disconnects every few minutes and transfer times 3kb/s tops
04:40 <Vanhayes> stonehedge map in fortress is pretty good
04:41 <ghableska> what is it?
04:44 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/ed/fortress/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml
04:44 <Vanhayes> it was made by wrtlprnft but made into fortress by ed with some editting too
04:44 <GodTodd> i beat you all :D
04:44 <GodTodd> Last Result:
04:44 <GodTodd> Download Speed: 5549 kbps (693.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:44 <GodTodd> Upload Speed: 255 kbps (31.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
04:45 * ghableska still beats spidey :P
04:45 <spidey> i'll have a 80kb/s upload
04:45 <spidey> which means i'm gonna host a tron server local
04:45 <spidey> maybe 2 with 10 players each
04:45 <Vanhayes> operative words "i'll have" not I have
04:45 <spidey> then i'll have about 4-5 server
04:45 <spidey> :D
04:45 <Vanhayes> sall them the spider empire
04:45 <Vanhayes> call*
04:45 <spidey> lol
04:45 <spidey> hmm
04:46 <spidey> i might :D
04:46 <ghableska> O.o
04:46 <spidey> well
04:46 <spidey> i run 2 on the webserver
04:46 <spidey> 1 i get from luke
04:46 <Vanhayes> btw ghableska there is now a map previewer-->> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
04:46 <spidey> then if i run 1-2 local
04:46 <spidey> ;'x
04:46 <Vanhayes> do you pay for lukes?
04:46 <spidey> yes...
04:46 <Vanhayes> 16 a month?
04:47 <spidey> heh
04:47 <spidey> something like that
04:47 <spidey> i can't wait till i turn 17
04:47 <spidey> i'm getting my ged and a job
04:47 <spidey> ;x
04:48 * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48 * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48 * Vanhayes is almost 18 and will graduate this year
04:48 <spidey> and my other grandma and greatgrandma have about $4k saved up for me to get a car
04:48 <Vanhayes> if I say it enough it should come true
04:48 <spidey> hahah
04:48 <spidey> you're gonna fail
04:48 <spidey> i know it
04:48 <spidey> ;x
04:49 <Vanhayes> well Ive never really failed a full grade just too many seperate courses
04:49 <spidey> lol
04:49 <spidey> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:49 <Vanhayes> night
04:49 <ghableska> cya
04:52 <spidey> er
04:52 <spidey> not as tired as i thought
04:52 <spidey> i went downstairs to piss and decided to make a hamburger
04:54 <Vanhayes> hmm im hugry too, wonder what there is to eat here
04:54 <ghableska> ice cream?
04:54 <Vanhayes> maybe
04:54 <spidey> i'm outta ice cream
04:54 <spidey> :(
04:54 <ghableska> :(
04:54 <spidey> we're outta money till tomorrow >.<
04:55 <spidey> we made it 1 month of $80 of groceries
04:55 * Vanhayes goes to hunt scrounge something to eat
04:55 <Vanhayes> er no hunt
04:55 <Vanhayes> -hunt
04:55 <ghableska> :O
04:55 <spidey> lol
04:55 * ghableska takes cover
04:55 <spidey> pick a movie
04:55 <spidey> i need one to watch
04:55 <spidey> i've got just about everything
04:55 <spidey> so...
04:56 <ghableska> Brokeback Mountain :P
04:56 <spidey> no
04:56 <spidey> and i won't have it either
04:56 <spidey> :p
04:56 <ghableska> Blade Runner?
04:56 <spidey> my grandma has the dvd
04:56 <spidey> blade rubber
04:56 <spidey> that's like
04:56 <spidey> where he hunts these humoids?
04:56 <spidey> and falls in love with one
04:56 <ghableska> Yeah.
04:56 <spidey> or is that number 2?
04:56 <ghableska> two?
04:56 <ghableska> brb
04:56 <spidey> see, i've got just about everything
04:56 <spidey> :p
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05:04 * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:04 <ghableska> yuck?
05:05 <Vanhayes> heh its actually very good
05:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
05:07 <ghableska> did you just mix it up?
05:07 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
05:07 <Vanhayes> argh
05:08 <Vanhayes> I cut the water melon up and put the juice and chucks in and put it in thr blender
05:08 <Vanhayes> the*
05:08 <ghableska> Hmm
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt
05:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit
05:08 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --nolimit
05:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: [22:09:43] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt, [22:08:01] <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with yogurt --no limit, and [22:05:23] * Vanhayes found a piece of old watermelon and plain yogurt so now is having watermelon yogurt
05:09 <Vanhayes> hmm must have been reset then
05:09 <ghableska> Vanhayes is making me hungry :-/
05:10 <Vanhayes> lol id send you some but im prett sure the yogurt would be bad by the time it got there
05:10 <ghableska> where do you live again?
05:11 <Vanhayes> new brunswick canada
05:12 <ghableska> 1414 miles...
05:12 <Vanhayes> #g 1414 miles in kilometers
05:12 <armabot> 1,414 miles = 2,275.61242 kilometers
05:12 <Vanhayes> damn...
05:13 <ghableska> yeah, it might get stale...
05:13 <ghableska> I once had yogurt with fungus in it on british airways
05:13 <Vanhayes> argh did you eat it?
05:13 <ghableska> yuck, no :P
05:14 <Vanhayes> lol maybe it was supposed to be like that, never know with those british...
05:14 <ghableska> heh
05:19 <ghableska> #night
05:19 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:25 <Luke-Jr> [1] Granting 0.013246 seconds of lag credit.
05:26 <Luke-Jr> what is all this? I'm getting a ton
05:34 <Luke-Jr> oh my... beautify wrecks havoc on if..elseif..elseif..elseif..elseif.....else
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06:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking around right now?
06:21 <spidey> O.o
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're not GodTodd
06:21 <spidey> haha
06:21 <spidey> luci
06:21 <spidey> how's this look for ya
06:23 <spidey> Lucifer_arma , http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/600/windozeeq8.jpg
06:23 <spidey> look better now? ;x
06:24 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: about as kicking as i get ;)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> with the little msn icon down there?
06:24 <spidey> ya?
06:24 <spidey> what about it?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> hey GodTodd, you want to start writing on my website? like regularly?
06:24 * Lucifer_arma thinks that gives it away as a windows desktop
06:25 <GodTodd> depends on what you want written i suppose
06:25 <spidey> haha
06:25 <spidey> that's not the point
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more of what you want to write. :) There's not really any fiction, it's mostly commentary, just, ummm
06:25 <spidey> you said if it didn't have the xp stuff pread all over
06:25 <spidey> so now it doesn't ;x
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know, not to be a bad blog, but to be something good. Then after expenses are covered (they usually aren't), we split the difference
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> that sort of writing deal
06:26 <GodTodd> kind of free association type stuff then?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> so, you know, commentary both political and social, tutorial-style, whatever. Whatever you want to write.
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, structured, still. If the article is one page, then it should read like a well-written essay, or structured like a story.
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> if it spans several pages because you've decided to split it, then it should be structured accordingly
06:27 <GodTodd> i hate stream of consciousness ;)
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> we could collaborate on stuff if we wanted, books etc.
06:27 <GodTodd> sounds good
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I hate the kind of writing that comes to mind when you say blog
06:27 <GodTodd> me too
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not really after that. it's not a journal, don't use it like a diary, right? ;)
06:28 <GodTodd> right...i figure that if people are bored enough to read what i had for breakfast then they are bored enough to read a political commentary anyway :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> my readership has pretty much dropped to nothing, so all I bring to the table is a website that's there and with a fair amount of content already
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> since it's on my server, we can do pretty much anything we want, you know? No stupid web-hosting limitations. If a readership appears, then so will the money to put it on a real server.
06:29 <GodTodd> what kind of production would you need?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> whatever you want. :)
06:29 <GodTodd> errr...want i guess...not need
06:29 <GodTodd> :)
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> the idea goes like this:
06:30 <Luke-Jr> crap, this thing crashes the debugger
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I write whenever I want, and I try to make it once a week. I've been falling down on the job, though.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> you write whenever you want, and you try to make it once a week, but I won't yell at you for falling down on the job.
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> we try together to make sure that at least 4 new articles appear each month
06:30 <GodTodd> looking at about a page or so a time?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> a complete article at a time
06:31 <GodTodd> k
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> the size should be determined by the article, not by any other arbitrary thing
06:31 <GodTodd> sounds doable....pretty much you're delegating half of your writing work ;)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, assuming we both reach the goal (which isn't a lot, really, it's about 2 hours a week), then we double the work that's done :)
06:32 <GodTodd> right
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we split in half after costs, as an informal partnership. We can formalize it if real money appears and it's necessary.
06:32 <GodTodd> and i haven't been working on writing enough lately...that'd give me a reason to force myself to keep the wheels turning
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> and we do aim for real money, mind you. :)
06:32 <GodTodd> of course :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> and you promise not to break anything, I'm going to put you in the administrator group.
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> you did make an account, right? I thought I saw it there.
06:33 <spidey> put it on a real server?
06:33 <GodTodd> i can promise not to break anything on purpose...
06:33 <GodTodd> yeah i have one
06:34 <GodTodd> in fact i got the "you haven't been here for a while" email tonight :)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's there
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I just installed the module that sends that email :)
06:34 <GodTodd> well it borked...i've been to your site after 4/21 :P
06:35 <GodTodd> logged in too :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> consider the site "recently rebuilt". :)
06:35 <GodTodd> k
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> so we'll try to get a mailing list setup at some point, that's part of making money with a website anyway. I need to install that module, and right now I'm working on putting the "make our lives easier" modules in
06:36 <spidey> lol
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you can use bbcode, wiki formatting, or html, you'll see the list. If you want something else, you'll have to tell me. Modules have to be isntalled manually in drupal.
06:37 <spidey> ew @ drupal
06:37 <GodTodd> k
06:38 <GodTodd> actually....i might be able to use this as kind of a freelancing springboard too...
06:38 * GodTodd tries to think of ways to maximize the possibilities. :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've gotten work from it before. ;)
06:46 <GodTodd> might have something on lack of respect for others' property brought on by our "just buy a new one" societal view...
06:46 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you want to write something like a book review, or something that's both special and common enough that there may be code to support it,
06:47 <GodTodd> pretty much OpEd pieces?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> see if there's a module at drupal.org that I can install to help you. :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretty much. You can also put up recipes (which I'm considering doing myself), how-to articles for anything, document an ongoing project of yours, whatever.
06:48 * GodTodd is reading the "going to school" one that was just posted ;)
06:48 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> as long as there's something for a reader to take from it that he can say is his.
06:48 <GodTodd> that's the goal of all my writing ;)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> The difference between that and just telling people what you did today is that in the second, they're just reading about what you did. Whooppeee, right? ;)
06:49 <GodTodd> exactly
06:49 <GodTodd> i doubt many people would pay to hear about changing a shitty diaper :)
06:49 <GodTodd> errr read
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> so when I have written about what I did, it's usually in short-story format designed to carry a theme and stuff like any other short story
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> revenue right now is google ads. there's a cafepress store, but it's never sold anything.
06:50 <GodTodd> sounds like mine ;)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> google ad revenue is at the lowest its been since I started the ads. That is, it was lower when I started, but this is the lowest since then.
06:51 <GodTodd> i'll probably see if i can catch runoff traffic to my site too
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it barely covered expenses last year, if you define expenses loosely
06:51 <GodTodd> i run google ads on mine as well...couple affiliate banners that might stay or go...dunno yet
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've always found affiliate banners useless. Google ads are good, they usually mean something to what's on the page, and I'm happy with them.
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> google pays pretty well for advertising, so if we can just get traffic up, we should do fine.
06:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i check my google ads periodically...they seem to match the content really well
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> so that's a second part is pimping the site. :) After you write an article, if you know a place that takes links with a readership that's interested, it doesn't hurt to post there.
06:53 <GodTodd> verily true
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> like, whenever I write an article about linux I go to a few linux sites and try to get into their third-party listing. I've seen traffic up around 10k unique visitors a day for long periods
06:54 <GodTodd> since it's opinion i can use hearsay, right?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> to give an idea of what we need, 10k unique visitors a day for 3 months might get us a $100 check from google.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, definitely. If your source is really genuine, give it a real citation. If it's not, don't try to claim authority on it, but do try to provide your own estimate of the reliability of the information.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it doesn't hurt to mention every now and then that the strength of your conclusions is limited by the relibility of your information. :)
06:55 <GodTodd> ok...cuz i'm a sadly nostalgic fuck...and i have a *cough*myspace*cough* page and am getting the whole "destruction of property" thing from there
06:56 <GodTodd> well...the impetus for it anyway
07:04 <spidey> did scope lose remote admin on shrunkland?
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, yes.
07:05 <spidey> awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, there was a kid in my texas government class who said you weren't cool if you didn't have a myspace page
07:05 <spidey> explains why he didn't kick me earlier,too
07:05 <spidey> hahaha
07:05 <spidey> myspace suck
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I tried to ask if I was even cooler than that because I had my own web server, but he dodged the question
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so, GodTodd, we'll probably want to eventually have guidelines for some things, like if we do a lot of reviews (there's a review node type), so we can have some minimum quality on those things
07:07 <GodTodd> right
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but this is informal now, see if it works out for us and for the site. Later, we can rename the site and get a real domain and stuff for it, to reflect that we're in there together.
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <GodTodd> that's kind of how i'm approaching it
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but let's get some readership before we worry too much about that stuff. :)
07:08 <GodTodd> 'course...like it or not...if done well it could turn into a sort of "e-zine" thing
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:08 <spidey> hmm
07:08 <spidey> tron just locked up
07:08 <spidey> O.o
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> unless you just dream up a really nice name or something. :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I do like the "Dave's Stupid" theme that's going. I like it a lot, actually.
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...something along that line....it sticks in the head
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and self-deprecating beats pretentious every time
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <GodTodd> that's why mine is my "little slice of mediocrity" ;)
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
07:09 * Lucifer_arma knew you wouldn't choke on the name, or he wouldn't have asked in the first place. :)
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07:10 <GodTodd> i find that if you hype things too much then you are setting others up for disappointment...if they don't expect much then you are free to blow them away
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and I used to get emails pretty regularly from people who were blown away
07:11 <GodTodd> i'm sure
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's died off completely now, and I'm a little sad about it :(
07:11 <GodTodd> we'll get it back
07:11 <GodTodd> as long as we haven't lost any of our touch :)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure we will. :)
07:12 * Lucifer_arma is going to grab another smoke, then write up the article that tells any stray visitors what's going on now
07:12 <GodTodd> i hate society as a general rule so that'll probably be a running theme heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, one minor thing. The content type you mostly want to use is "story". Not "page", although there's not a lot of difference between them.
07:12 <GodTodd> ok
07:12 <GodTodd> good to know
07:12 <GodTodd> :)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, you'll know if what you're writing is special enough to need a different content type. If you don't know, then "story" is what you want.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> however
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> "quote" puts it in the random quote generator, "quote of the second"
07:14 <GodTodd> and the "articles" dropdown is the section it goes into?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> yes, with control-click and shift-click working as you'd expect
07:14 <GodTodd> k
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> as a rule, try to use existing categories as much as possible, but if you need new ones, add them
07:15 <GodTodd> right
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> adding new taxonomy is a little on the weird side, though.
07:15 <GodTodd> heh..."Everyone else tries to be clever." that's new :)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> Also, the menu on the left is hand-written, so after you add a new category you have to add the menu item manually. It's a pain, but I prefer the menu like it is compared to the alternatives I've seen.
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I've been updating my site the last couple of days, trying to get it into real shape again, and it's just about there. :)
07:16 <GodTodd> ok :)
07:16 <GodTodd> looks good so far
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> one thing that needs fixing still is showing pictures in articles. I want the author's picture to show. It doesn't have to be a photo, just a regular avatar-like thing is fine
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> so you should upload something pretty soon in case that ever materializes. I think I broke the node template, or maybe there's a flag somewhere I didn't set quite right.
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I just added a few input filters taht I don't know how to use, but you should be able to do inline pictures now, too, if you need them.
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> also, in case you were wondering. There won't be a religion category unless you really really really badly need it. :) I put religion into "philosophy", but don't talk about it much.
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07:23 <GodTodd> yeah...i prefer if people can't tell from my writing what religion i am....tho it'll probably shine through that it's not really mainstream at times
07:23 <GodTodd> heh
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> Awesome
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> not sure I like it, actually. Be careful with camel-case words, the freelinking filter wants to make new nodes when you use them.
07:35 * Lucifer_arma is talking about what the freelinking filter did to the name GodTodd in the article he just published.
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you might have noticed the google ads disappeared for you. At least, I think they did. That might just be for me,
07:37 <GodTodd> one last initial question (yeah i know that is kind of an oxymoron)...which formatting type is best to use? i know it defaults to wiki....is that best?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> but the module that handles those automatically disables them for me.
07:37 <GodTodd> nah they're gone for me too
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I made wiki the default because I prefer that one.
07:37 <GodTodd> k
07:37 <GodTodd> i figured
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> it uses phpwiki formatting, so use ! for headers
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a link or something for it. You should be able to change the one you prefer in your profile.
07:37 <GodTodd> right....i'm *gasp* reading the instructions on it
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is well-supported, and the filtered html is pretty nice if you don't mind using raw html.
07:38 <GodTodd> what'd it do to my name on there?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> bbcode is new, though. I just added it a few minutes ago.
07:38 * GodTodd checks.
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> made it a link :)
07:38 <GodTodd> ahhhh
07:38 <GodTodd> lol
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> you might take advantage of that to write your "about me" page and add it to the menu
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> but bbcode is what phpbb and other forum software uses, so if you're used to it, knock yourself out.
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> Just be aware the <h1..6> tags are preferred for headings because search engines care about that.
07:39 <GodTodd> right
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki input filter uses them, afaik. It should. If it doesn't then we need a new one, heh.
07:39 <GodTodd> heh
07:41 <GodTodd> heh...i always feel weird reading about myself
07:41 <GodTodd> :/
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> it grows on you after awhile. Back when I first got my Windows vs Linux article linked (which generated thousands of hits every day for several weeks) I found all sorts of referers where people were talking about me
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> most were saying good things, but there were people bitching. There always is.
07:45 <GodTodd> you can please some of the people some of the time ;)
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> what doesn't please me is that people don't bitch when I intentionally write inflammatory stuff, but they let it out when I write stuff that's not in any way inflammatory
07:46 <GodTodd> heh
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> oh well. I guess it's not supposed to make sense
07:46 <GodTodd> w00t....my first edit was successful
07:46 <GodTodd> :)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah? what did you edit?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, new articles default to published, front page. If you'd prefer to default to unpublished, I can set that. It's tuned to my workflow right now.
07:47 <GodTodd> the latest article...architectural engineer would bore me to death
07:47 <GodTodd> ;)
07:47 <GodTodd> just had to change it to electrical
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> so we can change the workflow to match it up.
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, sorry. All these damn engineers. It's my wife that wants to be an architectural engineer. :)
07:48 <GodTodd> ahhh :)
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> see, I don't just make shit up. I'm just dylsecix
07:48 <GodTodd> my biological father is an architect...so not too out of the blue heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between an architect and an architectural engineer?
07:48 <GodTodd> dyslexics of the world, untie!
07:49 <GodTodd> not sure
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> architectural engineers are smart
07:49 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> actually, architects are artsy-fartsy types. The degree for architect is usually out of the fine arts department.
07:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5950 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tValue.cpp tools/tValue.h tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp): Split comparisons out of Conditional into their own subclasses
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> so they sit around and be pretentious, and then architectural engineers turn that into sound structures that can be built without killing anybody
07:50 <GodTodd> 'course BSEE will probably translate to "cubicle coder" eventually so i'm trying to avoid that fate
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, tron flashback
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> can I have your popcorn?
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:50 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <spidey> well
07:51 <spidey> appearently everyone doesn't know i'm blaze
07:51 <spidey> which should be obvious i am
07:51 <spidey> sheh
07:51 <GodTodd> i do
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I do too
07:51 <spidey> i mean people not in this channgel that play tron
07:51 <GodTodd> oh...well say what you mean then heh
07:51 <GodTodd> :)
07:51 <spidey> hahaha
07:51 <spidey> ok Luke-Jr
07:52 <GodTodd> hey...now *that's* a low blow
07:52 <spidey> :p
07:52 * Luke-Jr coughs
07:52 <spidey> lmao
07:53 <GodTodd> oh...umm...hi Luke-Jr.....ummm....spidey was talking about you....
07:53 <GodTodd> :)
07:53 <spidey> haha
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey just wishes he had my skillz
07:54 <Luke-Jr> ;)
07:54 <spidey> riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
07:54 * spidey coughs
07:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I don't see you doing anything with Arma other than playing and admining =p
07:54 <Luke-Jr> tho I guess the latter takes some skill
07:54 <spidey> latter?
07:54 <spidey> playng and admining?
07:55 <spidey> what else you want me to do?
07:55 <Luke-Jr> latter would be admining
07:55 <spidey> make little server babies
07:55 <Luke-Jr> well, for example, I'm improving tValue stuffs
07:55 <GodTodd> that's not a good visual
07:55 <spidey> haha
07:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i don't know enough c++ to mess with that :)
07:55 <spidey> example
07:56 <GodTodd> now, spidey, you *do* realize that that's not the only reason we have robotics, right? ;)
07:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: exactly =p
07:56 <spidey> i was looking for the code that minimizes text to 15 charss
07:56 <spidey> didn't find it
07:56 <spidey> >.<
07:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, so what else you want me to do? besides play and admin? :)
07:57 <spidey> fuck it?
07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: so an about me thingee would be submitted as a page? or still as a story?
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: shrug, nothing =p
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> that would be a page
07:58 <Luke-Jr> spidey: those are the skillz you wish you had =p
07:58 <GodTodd> k...thought that's how i was reading it
07:59 <spidey> Luke-Jr, why would i wish to set myself on your path????
07:59 <spidey> that'ss fuckin social suicide man
08:01 <Luke-Jr> as if social is important
08:01 <spidey> exactly!
08:01 * spidey tells Luke-Jr to go meet some chick
08:02 <spidey> now
08:02 <spidey> if you'll excuse me
08:02 <spidey> i have to sleep
08:02 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I'm married
08:02 <spidey> because tomorrow i have a "life" to catch up on
08:03 <spidey> actually i have a year an a half of life to catch up on
08:03 <GodTodd> a life....i used to have one of those *sigh*
08:03 <spidey> so did i
08:03 <spidey> now i'm getting it back :p
08:03 <spidey> because in 4 months i have to grow up :(
08:05 <Vanhayes> getting your GED and a job isnt growing up
08:05 <spidey> no
08:05 <spidey> but if i want to keep my girlfriend i do :)
08:06 <spidey> i think she's tired of talking on the phone/internet >.<
08:06 <Vanhayes> when was the last time you saw her?
08:06 <spidey> hmm
08:06 <spidey> about
08:06 <spidey> december
08:06 <spidey> maybe
08:07 <Vanhayes> ...
08:07 <spidey> probably november
08:07 <Vanhayes> um does she live on the other side of the country?
08:07 <spidey> no?
08:07 <spidey> she lives intown
08:09 <Vanhayes> I dont understand
08:09 <spidey> well
08:09 <spidey> she works
08:09 <spidey> at night
08:09 <spidey> i'm asleep when she's home
08:09 <spidey> so i'm going to sleep tonight,then we're going somewhere tomorrow
08:10 <spidey> just don't know where, she wouldn't tell me >.<
08:10 <spidey> now,goodnight i have to get up at 6am and stay up the whole day :(
08:10 <spidey> #time
08:10 <armabot> spidey: 01:11 AM, August 03, 2006
08:10 <spidey> bah
08:11 <spidey> #night
08:11 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> neat
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: check out the control panel :)
08:23 <GodTodd> anything i'm looking for in particular?
08:25 <GodTodd> wow...that's pretty neat :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, just that it's pretty neat :)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder where it gets its icons, it would be nice if it had more icons
08:28 <GodTodd> yeah it would
08:33 <Vanhayes> #night
08:33 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:50 <GodTodd> ok...i've done the obligatory "about me" page....in "Articles:" do i just select "About Me" and just make sure the parent menu item is "about"?
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I think :)
09:03 <GodTodd> k
09:04 <GodTodd> ok...that one's there now
09:04 <GodTodd> :)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/sitemenu <-- how does that look?
09:05 <GodTodd> i'd tell you, but it's a nazi page ;)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit
09:05 <GodTodd> heh
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> now try :)
09:06 * Lucifer_arma forgets about access restrictions sometimes
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's only enabled for admins right now
09:06 <GodTodd> looks good
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now there should be a block on the left
09:08 <GodTodd> yep
09:09 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:09 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Phasers locked on target, Captain.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> not sure what I think about the block, it shows "Articles" at the top and it really kinda shouldn't if there's only one node type in there
09:10 <GodTodd> true
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> aha, you can weight individual terms
09:12 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw that on the submissions thing
09:12 <GodTodd> same deal?
09:12 <GodTodd> bigger the weight the further down it is?
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> soooo, hm.
09:15 * Lucifer_arma is looking at the other menu now trying to figure out if it can be replaced
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely think I'd rather have something autogenerated, so we can just add new terms
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't let us add nodes to the menu
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course, we could take everything out of that menu except the "About this site" stuff
09:20 <GodTodd> true
09:24 <GodTodd> going dropdown?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> yep, problem solved :)
09:25 <GodTodd> :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> now we just need to figure out what to put in that menu since it's function has completely changed
09:26 <GodTodd> the dropdown?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the dropdown
09:27 <GodTodd> hmmm k
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it looks good like it is, but there's the Articles menu over there now...
09:28 <GodTodd> right
09:29 <GodTodd> what kind of function are you envisioning for the dropdown menu?
09:29 <GodTodd> anything yet?
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I'm going to bed pretty soon
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, site stuff
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> like, about me, contact, home
09:30 <GodTodd> k
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> stuff that's for users to administer themselves on the site and generally not linked to content
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> see, I used to have this sort of layout where categories went down the side and site stuff went along the top. I sacrificed that with mambo.
09:30 <GodTodd> then it's good that it's got more visibility :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> apparently now I can have it back :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the site's been a little tricky to navigate for awhile
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> wtf, I deleted those items and now they're in the navigation menu! :(
09:36 <GodTodd> wow...that's...different
09:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5951 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (7 files in 5 dirs): An initial form of tValueParser-- not quite sure how to test this, but it looks like it works
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fixed, sort of
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> figured out what happened. I deleted the parent items, and the children were taken out of the menu like you'd expect.
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> Then they defaulted to navigation if they don't have a parent
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> so I disabled them so you can't see them, I'll delete them later
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I think the top menu should *be* navigation instead
09:39 <GodTodd> ahhhhh i see
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> only problem, if you're not logged in, I think navigation shows a login form
09:39 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: if it works, why can't you test it?
09:40 <GodTodd> the navigation heading has freelinks and site map under it
09:40 <wrtlprnft> poor jonathan, his page gets copied over and over again
09:40 <GodTodd> those are above the login boxes
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, looks like user login is a different block, that's good
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...logged out to make sure :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> saw that :)
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now to figure out some css with it, move a couple of menu items, disable a couple more
09:49 <GodTodd> Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent.
09:49 <GodTodd> hh
09:49 <GodTodd> heh*
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> background-color: none; should get rid of the background, right?
09:56 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
09:56 <wrtlprnft> background-color:transparent;
09:56 <wrtlprnft> that'll get rid of it if there's no image
09:57 <wrtlprnft> background-image: none; should get rid of the image IIRC
09:57 <wrtlprnft> so you probably want background: none transparent;
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> didn't work. :(
09:58 <wrtlprnft> try !important?
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> nope. :(
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my website, the menu at the top
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
10:01 <GodTodd> you tried "background: transparent"?
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> you can look at the stylesheet:
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/themes/davefancella/style.css
10:04 <wrtlprnft> you sure the background is on the .nice-menu?
10:04 <wrtlprnft> it could be on the parent or a child
10:05 <wrtlprnft> .nice-menu is an ul, and I don't see anything that would even apply a background to uls
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't know where it's at
10:05 <wrtlprnft> what bg do you wanna get rid of?
10:05 <GodTodd> background: none transparent !important; <---- you tried that without 'none'?
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> div class="block block-nice_menus" id="block-nice_menus-3" <--- there's a div up there
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> eah, I tried it without 'none'
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get rid of a background you can't see, actually, because you're not an administrator
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's another menu in the left, with the blue links in the left, and the same white background in the top
10:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm
10:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue :(
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> here's the source css:
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/modules/nice_menus/nice_menus.css
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> aha, got it for one
10:10 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I dunno how =p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: just go into some rPerFramTask and put some test code there
10:11 <wrtlprnft> i always use display_cockpit_lucifer for that
10:11 <Luke-Jr> lol
10:11 <wrtlprnft> have it parse some hardcoded formula and output the result to stderr
10:13 <Luke-Jr> i c
10:13 <Luke-Jr> like how I split Condition?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok that's it for now, I'm going to bed. I'll fool with it again tomorrow night, maybe even get it "done" :)
10:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, the code I have seems to work :)
10:20 <Luke-Jr> think we can unify callback/config/function into a single API?
10:20 <Luke-Jr> or at least callback/function
10:22 * Luke-Jr thinks we should make a factory for tValue types, make every callback/function into a tValue subclass, and make config classes a subclass of tValue too
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> config options might be general
10:23 <wrtlprnft> callbacks should be supplied as a list
10:23 <akira> greetings
10:23 <Luke-Jr> as a list?
10:23 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit callbacks don't make sense for other thingss
10:23 <Luke-Jr> hm
10:23 <wrtlprnft> err, map of course
10:23 <wrtlprnft> hi akira
10:23 <akira> had to have alook into the arma channel at last ;)
10:24 <wrtlprnft> hehe
10:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so we'd need a classifier for the factory of a sort
10:25 <Luke-Jr> so the factory would need info on the name, flags, and creation of the class
10:25 <Luke-Jr> flags would be stuff like if it's directly callable (as a function), or "for cockpit use only"
10:25 <wrtlprnft> the factories would only work for similar kinds of tValues
10:26 <wrtlprnft> like, all operators with an lvalue and rvalue
10:26 <Luke-Jr> not necessarily
10:26 <Luke-Jr> I presume boost has something for a variable number of arguments
10:26 <wrtlprnft> x_x
10:27 <Luke-Jr> so we could standardize a ::ReCreate or such that use it
10:27 <Luke-Jr> a simple array could probably work, actually
10:30 <wrtlprnft> call me crazy, but I'm gonna turn this into a map --> http://www.tron-sector.com/images/Backdrop.gif
10:32 <Luke-Jr> hopefully not by hand
10:34 <wrtlprnft> well
10:34 <wrtlprnft> any other ideas?
10:35 <Luke-Jr> write a script to do it? =p
10:35 <Luke-Jr> would probably be easier
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11:07 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
11:07 <wrtlprnft> slow and painful :s
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13:55 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png <-- almost finsihed :)
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13:59 <DrJoeTron> low key today
14:05 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: http://generalconsumption.org/armagetronad/map-preview/previews/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.png
14:05 <wrtlprnft> any suggestions before I upload it?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> you have got to be fucking kidding me.
14:06 <DrJoeTron> this is genious
14:06 <wrtlprnft> it's a map
14:06 <DrJoeTron> how big?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> the map?
14:06 <DrJoeTron> oh i saw
14:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:07 <wrtlprnft> 550x550
14:07 <DrJoeTron> hmm
14:07 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter, there's SIZE_FACTOR
14:07 <DrJoeTron> thats what im talking about
14:07 <DrJoeTron> how big is it going to be :p
14:08 <wrtlprnft> it's 94KB
14:08 <wrtlprnft> not sure yet
14:08 <wrtlprnft> I'll uplaod it and make a server :D
14:08 <DrJoeTron> this is just insane
14:09 <wrtlprnft> GREAT
14:09 <wrtlprnft> ERROR: Cannot find resource temporary file! Perhaps the resource submission has already been completed? Perhaps your resource file is way too big? If not, please try again. If the problem persists, or if you want to add a way-too-big resource, contact Luke-Jr
14:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Luke-Jr Luke-Jr grrr
14:09 <DrJoeTron> like screaming jumping out of 20 story buildings crazy
14:11 <DrJoeTron> im downloading that warsaw game from the boards
14:11 <DrJoeTron> i think i missedd that bandwagon already
14:11 <wrtlprnft> now i brought it down to 67KB by removing whitespace and it still refuses
14:12 <DrJoeTron> you know what to do
14:12 <DrJoeTron> slip a couple bills into the cd drive ;) for convincing
14:13 <wrtlprnft> what's way to big about 25KB? That seems to be the upper limit
14:14 <wrtlprnft> *too
14:16 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
14:17 <DrJoeTron> i think i have an idea
14:17 <DrJoeTron> why dont you save it as a jpeg.
14:17 <DrJoeTron> then convert it
14:17 <DrJoeTron> to a png
14:18 <wrtlprnft> nonono
14:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to upload the image
14:18 <wrtlprnft> the text file as it's a map
14:18 <DrJoeTron> OH
14:18 <DrJoeTron> i was extremely puzzled on what you were trying to do exactly :p
14:19 <wrtlprnft> and I wanna get it onto the resource repository
14:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/tronsector.aamap.xml wants to be moved to the repository
14:21 <wrtlprnft> or alternatively change the filesize limit
14:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm, this map needs a waay better CPU/GPU than mine
14:29 <wrtlprnft> I get like 1.3 FPS
14:36 <wrtlprnft> I soo much wanted to have this map on CTWF with two zones... but I guess it would throw out most of the clients
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14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: error when compiling the trunk:
14:49 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/113208
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17:25 <DrJoeTron> time to take up a 2nd language
17:25 <DrJoeTron> i'm thinking spanish, since thats what half of the population speaks here
17:27 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:27 <DrJoeTron> time to torrent rosetta stone
17:27 <linuxlizzard> I'd go french but thats just me
17:29 <DrJoeTron> well i know SOME spanish
17:29 <DrJoeTron> should i go with latin america or spain?
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spin
17:29 <linuxlizzard> spain*
17:29 <DrJoeTron> good choice
17:32 <DrJoeTron> better kill the server
17:33 <DrJoeTron> come on you stupid seeders, seed me
17:35 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:35 <DrJoeTron> they heard me :)
17:35 <DrJoeTron> bah i dont wanna get daemon tools
17:35 <DrJoeTron> il just try and use nero
17:40 <DrJoeTron> well i just had the dumbest conversation
17:40 <linuxlizzard> sounds liek fun
17:42 <DrJoeTron> with tinass
17:42 <DrJoeTron> tit*
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh
17:42 <DrJoeTron> who ever strikes the whole "d00d macs are better than pc" or "d00d, pc's are better than mac"
17:42 <DrJoeTron> you can just die
17:42 <linuxlizzard> indeed
17:42 <DrJoeTron> because that is the dumbest arguement ever
17:42 <linuxlizzard> because we all know, as long as it has linux on it, its good ;)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> nerd!
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :P
17:42 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:42 <DrJoeTron> :D
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17:42 <DrJoeTron> and it went on for too long
17:42 <DrJoeTron> i just wanted to eat my food
17:42 <DrJoeTron> but no
17:42 <DrJoeTron> that couldnt happen
17:42 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:43 <DrJoeTron> hmm
17:43 <DrJoeTron> i think il get the newest vb episode while im at it
17:43 <linuxlizzard> vb...
17:43 <DrJoeTron> venture bros
17:43 <linuxlizzard> ah
17:45 <linuxlizzard> and I'll get back to playing the piano and watching stargate...
17:45 <linuxlizzard> X)
17:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
17:46 <DrJoeTron> i've learned the stupidest things on piano
17:58 <guru3> DrJoeTron: what did you learn on the piano?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the error you got means it's too big for PHP to accept...
17:59 <DrJoeTron> lots of video game medleys
17:59 <DrJoeTron> bubble bobble and most of mike tysons punch out :p
17:59 <guru3> lol
17:59 <guru3> figures
18:00 <DrJoeTron> :D
18:00 <DrJoeTron> tetris too :p
18:00 <guru3> ive only learned some of the original mario theme
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: uh, how do the forums and the wiki work then?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> I can upload 100KB attachments there
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and I think the default limit is something like 2MB
18:03 <Luke-Jr> shrug
18:03 <Luke-Jr> anyway, not many maps are > 25 K
18:03 <Luke-Jr> since those require better GPUs
18:03 <wrtlprnft> and CPUs
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can you manually add that one?
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5952 /tools/map-preview/trunk/README.txt: Updated bugs section with info about duplicate points
18:04 <Luke-Jr> your compile error suggests to me a BISON bug of some sort
18:04 <Luke-Jr> in your version of BISON
18:05 <wrtlprnft> sec
18:05 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] sys-devel/bison-2.1 USE="nls -static" 0 kB
18:05 <Luke-Jr> weird
18:06 <Luke-Jr> maybe GCC?
18:06 <Luke-Jr> in my .cpp file, there's a ifndef malloc around that line
18:06 <wrtlprnft> [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 *
18:07 <wrtlprnft> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
18:08 <DrJoeTron> oh god
18:08 <Luke-Jr> UGH!
18:09 <Luke-Jr> who ran astyle or whatever on upload.suid-php???
18:10 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5953 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: some defaults? ;)
18:10 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:10 <Luke-Jr> erm
18:10 <Luke-Jr> that wasn't the right message
18:10 * Luke-Jr stabs svn
18:10 <wrtlprnft> that was an old one
18:11 <wrtlprnft> I didn't
18:11 <wrtlprnft> though I might have ran %retab 100
18:11 <Luke-Jr> or that >:O
18:15 <Luke-Jr> there, sed fixes most of it
18:16 <wrtlprnft> fixes?
18:16 <wrtlprnft> it looked fine to me
18:16 <wrtlprnft> no tabs at all
18:16 <Luke-Jr> that's the problem
18:16 <Luke-Jr> tabs are correct for indenting
18:16 <wrtlprnft> annoying like hell
18:17 <Luke-Jr> only if you use crappy text editors :p
18:17 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5954 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Indentation is to use tab chararacters, please keep it that way
18:17 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:17 <Luke-Jr> anyway
18:18 <Luke-Jr> you should be able to run upload.suid-php with ?filef=/tmp/tronsector.aamap.xml
18:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5955 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Fixed infinite recursion loop and memory eater when very long messages should be sent to the remote admin.
18:18 <Luke-Jr> to add tronsector
18:19 <Luke-Jr> hrm, oops
18:19 <Luke-Jr> 1 sec
18:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5956 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: disable size limit on local uploads
18:21 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <Luke-Jr> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:21 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:21 <armabot> Luke-Jr: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:21 <Luke-Jr> there
18:21 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
18:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that means i can put any file into my home dir?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> and upload it
18:23 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:23 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: in theory
18:25 <Luke-Jr> I need to go
18:25 <Luke-Jr> any problems, I remind you that you have commit access to upload-suid =p
18:26 <Luke-Jr> just don't abuse it and stuff, but that's obvious =p
18:27 <DrJoeTron> bastard tetris people
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18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5957 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php: Hmm, what about using the size limit for remote files and not for local files instead of vice versa?!
18:33 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
18:33 <wrtlprnft> finally...
18:34 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:34 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/ <-- look at the tronsector thumb
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the greatest- looking map preview thumbnail ever
18:35 <wrtlprnft> now I just need to find some supercomputer to play it on, I don't think any end user machine in existance will be able to run arma with that map at a reasonable framerate
18:54 <spidey> man
18:54 <spidey> i just had the worse fucking day ever
18:54 <wrtlprnft> wo
19:00 <spidey> [0] The resource file loaded from "wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml" wants to be at "wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml". Possible resolutions:
19:00 <spidey> a) If you are not the author of the resource, you should move it to the right place given above and adapt the reference pointing to it.
19:00 <spidey> b) If you are the author and want the file to stay where it is, you can modify its <Resource> tag so it wants to be where you put it. Consult the documentation on how to do that.
19:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: !
19:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, the Luke-Jr was an accident
19:02 <wrtlprnft> but that warning shouldn't happen
19:02 <spidey> it crashed the server
19:02 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:02 <wrtlprnft> probably bad handling of an empty category tag
19:03 <spidey> so how do i load the map?
19:03 <spidey> send it to me
19:03 <wrtlprnft> it is already there
19:03 <wrtlprnft> in resource/automatic
19:03 <wrtlprnft> or http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:04 <spidey> ok
19:04 <spidey> lets see if i can run it
19:04 <spidey> first
19:05 <spidey> how do i use nohup again?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> nohup and then the command
19:05 <wrtlprnft> or use screen which is waay better
19:05 <spidey> so nohup arma* &
19:05 <spidey> ?
19:05 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:05 <spidey> server doesn't have screen
19:06 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:06 <spidey> how do i kill all arma processes?
19:07 <spidey> i'm run the map local seeing as i got twice the machine my webserver does
19:07 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad
19:08 <wrtlprnft> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# no hup armagetronad-dedicated &
19:08 <spidey> [1] 18480
19:08 <spidey> nohup: appending output to `nohup.out'
19:08 <spidey> acid@server [~/aa/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/bin]# ca t nohup.out
19:08 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <spidey> /usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:09 <spidey> [1]+ Exit 127 nohup armagetronad-dedicated
19:09 <wrtlprnft> umm
19:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe give it the path?
19:14 <spidey> o
19:14 <spidey> ok
19:14 <spidey> it's working only
19:14 <spidey> it's holding onto the shell
19:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:17 <spidey> it's not starting :/
19:17 <spidey> [0] Nobody there. Taking a nap...
19:17 <spidey> [0] Timestamp: 2006/08/03 18:18:00
19:17 <spidey> [1]+ Stopped nohup /home/acid/aa/armagetron/bin/armagetronad-dedicated
19:17 <spidey> i had this problem before
19:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma told me something and it worked
19:18 <spidey> i just can't remember
19:18 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
19:18 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:18 <wrtlprnft> search for nohup or whatever
19:18 <wrtlprnft> I don't get the error on my server...
19:19 <spidey> how far back them chatlogs go?
19:19 <spidey> it doesn't have it
19:23 <spidey> well
19:23 <spidey> appearently it's starting
19:23 <spidey> but i can't connect to it >.<
19:24 <spidey> ok
19:24 <spidey> so i start it without nohup
19:24 <spidey> it works fine
19:24 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping
19:26 <spidey> ok
19:27 <spidey> i'ma try this 2 ways
19:27 <spidey> 1 i'ma run it on my local server
19:27 <spidey> if it messes up i'll put it on this one
19:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft look for map test
19:34 <spidey> on the master server list
19:38 <Lucifer_arma> nohup armagetronad-dedicated & <--- very important to put the & there
19:38 <spidey> it had the &
19:39 <guru3> if ctrl z stops a job
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> nohup is one word
19:39 <guru3> what is the ctrl sequence to just put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> no hup armagetronad-dedicated & <--- nohup is ONE WORD
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't know there was a control sequence to put it in the background
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I do know this:
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna get an A in calc 2! :)
19:40 <spidey> wrtlprnft
19:40 <guru3> ahh
19:40 <guru3> you can do bg
19:40 * Lucifer_arma got a 100 on his last test
19:40 <guru3> right after you stop it
19:40 <guru3> cool beans x)
19:40 <guru3> old skool job control rocks
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> so, let's see
19:40 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0">
19:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 62 + 100)
19:40 <armabot> 87 + 62 + 100 = 249
19:40 <spidey> that mean it only works with that version
19:40 <spidey> ?
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 / 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 / 0.9 = 444.444444
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 444.44 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 444.44 - 249 = 195.44
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I did something wrong
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 400 * 0.9
19:41 <armabot> 400 * 0.9 = 360
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 249
19:41 <armabot> 360 - 249 = 111
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I need to get 111 on the final
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 62+11
19:42 <armabot> 62 + 11 = 73
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> and 73 on the make up test that will be given after the final and will replace the lowest test score
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g (87 + 85 + 100)
19:42 <armabot> 87 + 85 + 100 = 272
19:42 <spidey> ./usr/bin/nohup: line 79: exec: armagetronad-dedicated: not found
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 360 - 272
19:43 <armabot> 360 - 272 = 88
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> give it the path, spidey
19:43 <spidey> i'm in the dir
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> if I max out the make up test, I only need an 88 on the final
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> then give it ./armagetronad-dedicated
19:43 <spidey> ?
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> YOU'RE NOT USING WINDOWS AND DON'T FORGET IT
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> nohup ./armagetronad-dedicated &
19:43 <spidey> actually
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> in bash, typically, the current path is not in $PATH
19:43 <spidey> i am using windows with putty
19:43 <spidey> ;x
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you're just using another cheap terminal, whatever
19:44 <guru3> what does nohub do?
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> nohup lets you run a program that detaches from the shell
19:44 <spidey> ahhh
19:44 <spidey> thanks :D
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you can logout after it starts and the program keeps running :)
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> normal job control stuff doesn't let you do that, the job still requires the shell
19:44 <spidey> now for wrtls map
19:44 <spidey> <Map version="2.8.0"> << does that mean it only works on 2.8.0
19:44 <spidey> ?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> no?
19:45 <spidey> hmm
19:45 <spidey> i downloaded it and i keep getting this error
19:45 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know exactly what that means if you're running anything but 0.2.8
19:45 <spidey> that it wants to be loaded from wrtlprnft//tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> it also looks like a typo, there is no armagetron advanced anything that's versioned 2.8
19:46 <spidey> there's no 2.8.0?
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> he probably forgot to fill in the category
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's no 2.8.0
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> there is, however, 0.2.8.0
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.1
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.2
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> and 0.2.8.3 will be out sometime
19:46 <spidey> <Resource type="aamap" name="tronsector" version="0.0.1" author="wrtlprnft" category="">
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> see? category is blank
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's supposed to be supported, and it's supposed to work. If it doesn't, it's a bug.
19:48 <spidey> lets try this again
19:52 <spidey> bah
19:55 <spidey> [1] Command RESOUCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER unknown.
19:55 <spidey> nvm!
19:55 <spidey> lemme note
19:55 <nemostultae> you spelled RESOURCE wrong
19:55 <spidey> my spelling will kill me one day
19:56 <spidey> ok
19:56 <spidey> here we go
19:56 <spidey> :s
19:57 <spidey> hmm
19:57 <spidey> weird
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to the dentist: I meant that I ate a rock candy! Not that I need a root canal!
19:57 <spidey> wait
19:57 <spidey> does arma need a special server to download resources?
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> not if you use Luke-Jr's resource repository
19:58 <spidey> because it's telling me it can't download it
19:58 <spidey> well
19:58 <spidey> i was using my webserver
19:58 <spidey> because i don't have a account on lukes
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his boss: I meant that she was a great helper, not a straight hooker!
20:00 <spidey> lol
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: blank categories are supposed to be allowed
20:01 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't strip the double /
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his new boss: I meant that your wife had really good rice, not that she had really bad lice!
20:02 <spidey> lol
20:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I don't get any error like that
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> spidey to his old boss: I meant that I wanted my job back, not that I wanted to smoke crack!
20:03 <wrtlprnft> just 3FPS on my fastest machine that usually gives me around 300
20:04 <wrtlprnft> with all the fancy graphics options disabled
20:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft i do
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, too many walls
20:04 <spidey> ok i got it
20:04 <spidey> goto server map test, haha
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> I found that with my maze generator I couldn't go much higher than a 25x25 maze or fps were killed
20:04 <spidey> i get 9 fps
20:04 <spidey> :s
20:04 <Lucifer_arma> even so, some of the folks with slower computers only got 3-6fps
20:04 <wrtlprnft> and now it crashed!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that maps has a size of 90KB
20:05 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can't see that server
20:06 <spidey> :/
20:07 <spidey> way to many damned walls
20:07 <spidey> D
20:07 <spidey> :D
20:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft my local server runs it fine
20:08 <spidey> just my gfx can't handle it
20:16 <wrtlprnft> i guess I need to wait a few years until people actually have the capacity to play that map
20:17 <spidey> i should be able to when i get my gfx card
20:17 <spidey> which
20:17 <spidey> my mom said she'd pay the other half :D
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20:18 <|CruZ|> hi
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that map has 1980 walls
20:18 <DrJoeTron> can i play on it?
20:19 <spidey> hm
20:19 <spidey> lets try this
20:19 <wrtlprnft> if spidey gets the server back up...
20:19 <spidey> k
20:19 <spidey> sec
20:20 <wrtlprnft> i'm afraid my server won't be able to host that
20:20 <wrtlprnft> make sure you give LOTS of rubber
20:20 <spidey> wtf
20:20 <spidey> anyone seeU.S.Fortress on the master server?
20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.stm <--- better send it back before you're found on the road, dead
20:21 <wrtlprnft> only US dogfight
20:21 <spidey> >.<
20:21 <wrtlprnft> STM?!
20:21 <DrJoeTron> ah
20:21 <DrJoeTron> what?
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20:22 <Lucifer_arma> stm? what did stm do?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.STM
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 20:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5243136.>>>>STM<<<<
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh, ok, heh
20:23 <Lucifer_arma> does that mean cypher hacked the beeb?
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20:25 <wrtlprnft> now, what is STM?
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Master of Sacred Theology
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Savings, taxation and imports in economics
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Scanning tunneling microscope
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Short-term memory
20:25 <wrtlprnft> Soci�t� de transport de Montr�al
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5242638.stm <--- Madonna looks hot again, first time in years
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Software transactional memory, a method of handling concurrency in multithreaded systems
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Sunday Times Magazine
20:26 <wrtlprnft> St Thomas More College
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Stabilisation Tracking Mechanism
20:26 <spidey> ok
20:26 <spidey> joe
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Synchronous Transport Module, used as a Frame Format in Synchronous Digital Hierarchy
20:26 <wrtlprnft> In publishing, "STM publishing" means the scientific, technical and medical field of publishing.
20:26 <spidey> custom connect to
20:26 <wrtlprnft> STMicroelectronics, a worldwide semiconductor company.
20:26 <spidey> fallina-angels.com
20:26 <wrtlprnft> .stm, a Scream Tracker module file format.
20:26 <spidey> defualt port
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20:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey can't even spell his own domain, poor guy
20:27 <spidey> :/
20:27 <DrJoeTron> ok so what is it
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ip doesn't resolve
20:27 <linuxlizzard> erm
20:27 <DrJoeTron> default port
20:27 <DrJoeTron> fallen?
20:27 <spidey> custom connect to fallin-angels.com
20:27 <wrtlprnft> *domain name
20:27 <spidey> haha
20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:27 <spidey> :D
20:27 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ ping fallin-angles.com ~
20:27 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host fallin-angles.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping www.fallin-angles.com ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ping: unknown host www.fallin-angles.com
20:28 <spidey> YOU misspelled it that time
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20:28 <spidey> fallin-angels.com
20:28 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop 2 $ ping google.com ~
20:28 <wrtlprnft> PING google.com (64.233.187.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> ack
20:29 <DrJoeTron> doesnt work
20:29 <wrtlprnft> I think we should analyze the crashes with that map
20:29 <DrJoeTron> port 4534
20:29 <spidey> ya joe
20:29 <wrtlprnft> 20:27 <spidey> server crashed
20:29 <spidey> i said it crashed
20:29 <DrJoeTron> yeah no dice
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20:29 <DrJoeTron> oh ok
20:29 <DrJoeTron> thanks
20:29 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:29 <wrtlprnft> restart it?
20:29 <spidey> k
20:29 <spidey> everyone go in the server this time before hand :p
20:30 <wrtlprnft> until it crashes again
20:30 <spidey> it's started
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5241294.stm <--- bbc pimping symantec? bastards!
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done reading the news
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20:32 <wrtlprnft> client crashed
20:32 <linuxlizzard> ya mine too
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> I asked my wife if she wanted to see my linux lizzard
20:32 <linuxlizzard> hah
20:32 <spidey> ok
20:32 <spidey> offical
20:32 <spidey> to many walls :D
20:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like something's crashy about that map
20:33 <spidey> even joe has 6fps
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> it shouldn't crash anyways
20:33 <spidey> it hasn't yet
20:33 <wrtlprnft> even with millions of walls
20:33 <Compn> you guys testing new maps somewhere?
20:33 <Compn> on any server?
20:33 <Compn> :)
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if you can spell the domain right
20:33 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml <-- we're testing that one
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> so it's a combination spidey spelling and map test
20:33 <linuxlizzard> oh so thats why
20:34 <linuxlizzard> ;)
20:34 <Compn> i mean... put it on a server and lets test it together
20:34 <Compn> not locally! internetally!
20:34 <wrtlprnft> I'll put it on mine
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20:34 <Compn> with some tubes
20:34 <spidey> it's on the net
20:34 <Compn> internet tubes
20:34 <spidey> dood
20:34 <Compn> hehe
20:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft it's not my spelling
20:34 <spidey> i triple checked
20:34 <spidey> it won't load from there
20:34 <spidey> to many "/"
20:34 <wrtlprnft> go to "stonehenge! ancient world!"
20:35 <DrJoeTron> 4fps
20:35 <DrJoeTron> good god
20:35 <spidey> haha
20:35 <spidey> it won't let me connect
20:35 <spidey> @ wrtlprnft
20:36 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:36 <wrtlprnft> it already crashed
20:36 <spidey> haha
20:36 <linuxlizzard> heh
20:36 <wrtlprnft> at least it auto- restarts
20:37 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5958 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added build rule to process tValueParser.ypp. The bison that comes with Mac OS X does not work -- you must install a newer version.
20:37 <linuxlizzard> .ypp ;P
20:38 <Compn> doh
20:38 <Compn> i think server crash again?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> it's still running
20:38 <wrtlprnft> but hopelessly screwed
20:38 <Compn> ah
20:39 <wrtlprnft> taking up 80MB of RAM
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and seems to be too busy to reply to incoming connects
20:41 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge is up again, feel free to join
20:42 <spidey> hmm
20:42 <spidey> i would put it on this computer
20:43 <spidey> but
20:43 <spidey> CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz, 512 KB (2% Load) Memory: 217/504 MB
20:43 <spidey> it's the best one i got :/
20:43 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: kicking?
20:43 <spidey> the server has a 2.40ghz celeron with 256mb ram
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> sorta, I was about to take a dump, what's up GodTodd ?
20:44 <Compn> 0 fps
20:44 <spidey> haha
20:45 <GodTodd> just wondering if there's any sort of "approval" process for articles for the site
20:45 <GodTodd> ie...do you wanna read them before i put them up?
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's up to you entirely. Defualt is new articles are published.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to go through a small editorial process, leave it unpublished and it'll be marked as such. Just tell me what your process is. :)
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. do you want it to be "You throw on an edit, dave, and if you think it's ready publish it"
20:46 <GodTodd> k...and promote to front page puts the little preview on home, right?
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> or do you want "I'll publish when I'm ready, take a look sometime dave"
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's right. That's also the default setting.
20:46 <GodTodd> k
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20:46 <Lucifer_arma> Those settings can be changed, that's just my workflow that's set there.
20:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you want them different, no problem. :)
20:47 <GodTodd> well...i assume that if you have a problem with it you'll let me know :)
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> I can just about guarantee my only problems will be grammar and spelling :)
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20:47 <GodTodd> same as mine :)
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20:47 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, I need to install the spell checker. I'm disappointed with my own spelling :(
20:48 <GodTodd> misspelled words irk me
20:48 <GodTodd> heh
20:52 <wrtlprnft> client crashed again
20:53 <wrtlprnft> at least this map should be good for fixing crashes
20:53 <wrtlprnft> or for profiling
20:53 <Compn> for burning cpu
20:53 <Compn> wrtlprnft : what speed cpu you playing on?
20:53 <Compn> i cant get 1 fps on 900mhz ;\
20:54 <Compn> but ya cut it in half
20:55 <GodTodd> blergity blergity blergity boo
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the server has a 400MHz CPU
20:55 <Compn> client client client
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the client is a P4 3.4GHz with HT
20:55 <Compn> i got an old riva tnt 16mb agp video card tho
20:55 <Compn> nice
20:55 <wrtlprnft> not that HT would help at all with arma
20:55 <Compn> its all about hte opengl support of your card ;p
20:56 <wrtlprnft> the card is an Nvidia GF 6610 XL
20:56 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5959 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Use BISON enviroment variable. It defaults to /opt/local/bin/bison.
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, the spell checker is a bit outdated
21:00 <GodTodd> published the first article...not my best work but serviceable i suppose :)
21:01 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: what version of BISON do I need to compile the trunk?
21:02 <nemostultae> I have version 2.2
21:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i have 2.1 and it doesn't work
21:02 <wrtlprnft> I'll try emerging 2.2
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> gets better with practice, writing for a website is different than regular essay writing, I think. I find it easier, but that's because I try to write articles the same way I write email.
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> just imagine if you were unfortunate enough to communicate with me via email. :)
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> even so, my oldest articles on the site look about like that. :) A little thin, but the message is there.
21:05 <GodTodd> that's kind of what i was shooting for....figured it should be more conversational
21:05 <GodTodd> yeah
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> you can always go back and edit it later if you feel bad about it. I normally don't, I usually just write a new article that incorporates the old one and references it.
21:06 <GodTodd> i think that's the best way
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> but there's nothing that says once an article is published it's set in stone. I think that would be unreasonable. But if you do go back and edit it or any other article, make sure to bump it back to the front page somehow.
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if it's a serious edit. If it's just minor corrections, no need to bother.
21:08 <GodTodd> definitely
21:09 <spidey> hey wrtlprnft
21:09 <GodTodd> how long do they stay in preview on the front? is it a time thing or more of a "move it to make room for new stuff" thing?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> hey spidey
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> also, don't be shy about asking for an editor if you're concerned about it. I've never had an editor myself, personally, so I might be shy about it just out of habit, but we'll see.
21:09 <spidey> wanna see if a ati radeon 9800 se can handle that map?
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's a set limit on how many are on the front, and old ones get moved in favor of new ones.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, give me a screenshot :P
21:09 <GodTodd> k
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> But there's a pager at the bottom, so you can always see everything that ever was on the front page.
21:09 <spidey> i got a friend with one
21:10 <spidey> sec
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, fat should be trimmed off the front. I prefer to do that by deleting the node, or disabling front page by default on that node type.
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> like quotes. If you go to add a quote (which you should do just to get a feel for it), you'll notice they don't default to showing on the front page. :)
21:11 <GodTodd> :)
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> when I used the audio module, it also didn't default to showing on the front page, but I'm not using that anymore. It's not good enough.
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> but you get the idea. If it's a real article type, it should be on the front. If it's a node type that's not a real article, it doesn't, but it should be linked from an article or else why is it there to begin with?
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> if you see some older articles that have "show on front page" unchecked, you should check that box while you're there.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> When I first set up the site, I had to manually import everything from a backup .sql file, which was a pain, but it resulted in all the old content being marked as brand new
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> So to deal with it, I marked most of it as "don't show on front page" until I got past that time. Well, we're past that time, but I don't know for sure that I went back and fixed it.
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> but I generally want every article written to be accessible through the pager at the bottom of the front page.
21:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: do you have a friend with a quad- SLI renderer?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> that might actually eat it
21:14 <GodTodd> sounds reasonable
21:19 <GodTodd> Most legislators are so dumb that they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel.
21:19 <GodTodd> heh
21:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, looks like bison 2.2 fixed it. Can you add a check to configure and take care that make clean deletes src/tValueParser.cpp?
21:22 <spidey> wrtlprnft http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/209b7a0959.jpg
21:22 <spidey> that's what the ati radeon 9800 se has to say about your map
21:23 <spidey> meaning
21:23 <spidey> you're gonna have to wait more than a few years
21:23 <spidey> heh
21:24 <wrtlprnft> no quad- SLI?
21:24 <spidey> dunno
21:24 <wrtlprnft> ie 4 graphic cards in one machine
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or 4 GPUs
21:25 <spidey> oh
21:25 <spidey> no just the radeon
21:25 <spidey> maybe a dual core can handle it
21:25 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:25 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/03/gamepro-tv-episode-1-1991/
21:25 <wrtlprnft> arma doesn't make any use of threads
21:25 <wrtlprnft> except for sound
21:25 <DrJoeTron> hope you like nostalgia :D
21:26 <spidey> hm
21:26 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should just stop rendering a single wall as many polygons
21:31 <nemostultae> z-man has mentioned he wants to rewrite the engine to be more efficient.
21:33 <wrtlprnft> hope it'll be soon and 0.3.1- only :)
21:34 <wrtlprnft> then people will actually switch to it because it's more efficient
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22:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just told my son that if he ever finds pirate treasure, he needs to figure out who the pirates stole it from and give it back to them
22:09 <Compn> why isnt it rendered just as a line
22:09 <Compn> ?
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> walls?
22:09 <Compn> nm
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22:30 <DrJoeTron> TiS just asked to stay at my house for the weekend for lalapalooza
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22:35 <Lucifer_arma> I want a Drupal node type that's just a redirect
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22:49 <Self_Destructo> hey guys...
22:49 <DrJoeTron> hullo thar
22:49 <Self_Destructo> is there a way to limit the number of spectators allowed?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> not that I know of
22:51 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: would you considering it abuse if I modified the upload script so I (and all devs with an account) can upload resources under any author? Xevi wants me to upload the cockpits in http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/xevi/ and doesn't want to get an account for it. Alternatively add them yourself :)
22:53 <wrtlprnft> *would you consider
22:56 <Self_Destructo> well, I'm kinda needing that feature
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22:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig spectat
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ALLOW_VOTING_SPECTATOR: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for spectators. (default: 0) || NETWORK_SPECTATOR_TIME: If set to something bigger than zero, this is the maximal time in seconds a client without players is tolerated. (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_1: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_2: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) (1 more message)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: || SPECTATOR_MODE_3: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0) || SPECTATOR_MODE_4: Sets spectator mode for this player (default: 0)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> you can autokick inactive spectators
22:58 <Self_Destructo> i see that... but what does it mean by inactive?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> and what would you do if the spectator limit was all used up and an active player decided to go into spectator mode?
22:58 <spidey> you can set someone into spectator?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> kick the oldest spectator? kick the player who wanted to go into spec mode? just refuse?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: not chatting
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig autokick
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAM_AUTOKICK: Spam score that causes you to get kicked instantly. (default: 20)
22:59 <spidey> sd!
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig inactive
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig idle
22:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: DEDICATED_IDLE: After running this time (in hours), the dedicated server takes the next chance to quit. (default: 24) || IDLE_KICK_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is kicked (default: 0) || IDLE_REMOVE_TIME: Time in seconds after which an inactive player is removed from the game (default: 0)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> there we go, IDLE_KICK_TIME
23:00 * spidey pokes Self_Destructo
23:03 <Self_Destructo> hi spidey...
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'm out... cya sometime....
23:03 <spidey> :D
23:03 <spidey> :/
23:03 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I'll be back for good ina month...
23:03 <spidey> cya
23:03 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:03 <Self_Destructo> I just bought me a house today
23:03 <spidey> woot!
23:03 <Self_Destructo> cya
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23:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kickin'?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:16 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:22 <GodTodd> for a few, yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> check out the control panel :)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> you just hit "admin" in the top menu now
23:24 <GodTodd> cool :)
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have the whole admin interface available there, I think
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> and get rid of the stupid menu that's a pain to deal with anyway
23:26 <GodTodd> yeah...that'd be good
23:26 <linuxlizzard> where is this, because it sounds interesting
23:26 <linuxlizzard> X)
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23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't help but notice that the guy that made the module used a bunch of kde icons to begin with, I'm actually pulling from the same icon set :)
23:31 <GodTodd> yeah..i was gonna say they look like the old KDE desktop i used to run :)
23:34 <GodTodd> ummm...is there no 'home' link from the admin menu?
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23:36 <Lucifer_arma> home link? You mean like a link to the control panel itself?
23:39 <GodTodd> nah...to get back to the home page
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh, top left. It's kinda dark, though.
23:41 <GodTodd> oh, duh....click on the picture, george :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not liking what I'm looking at for the ui editor. :(
23:51 <GodTodd> hmmm...do we need to raise up that upper menu? the dropdowns seem to fight with whatever the newest preview is....or is that just on mine?
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> fight how? is it disrupting the teaser, or just laying over it with stupidly transparent background?
23:53 <GodTodd> laying over it with stupidly transparent background
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> ah, we just need a background color for it :)
23:54 <GodTodd> that'd probably work
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the control panel module doesn't ship with an icon for itself
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe the guy using KDE icons couldn't find a control panel icon for itself
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5960 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Network code optimizations:
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - sn_Receive() no longer automatically calls the (moderately expensive) sn_SendPlanned()
23:55 <armabot> armagetronad: sending function, the caller has to take care of that when ready. The usual procedure would be
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: sn_Receive(); nNetObject::SyncAll(); sn_SendPlanned();
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: Adaptions to this all over the place are already done.
23:56 <armabot> armagetronad: - the game code calls the network code less often per frame, two calls were entirely wasted.
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is there anyone in here running gentoo and interested in an ebuild for 0.3.0?
23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> grab it here: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild.tbz2
Log from 2006-08-04:
--- Day changed Fri Aug 04 2006
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who ever tried getting it
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try again
00:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had to delete it cause there was something wrong with it
00:08 <linuxlizzard> heh thx :)
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so you're running gentoo?
00:08 <linuxlizzard> although I don't have gentoo anymores, I can't get .3.0 to compile
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
00:08 <linuxlizzard> so maybe you ebuild will help ;_
00:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not really
00:08 <linuxlizzard> hehe
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you can get binaries on beta.armagetronad.net
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ;)
00:09 <linuxlizzard> ya... I suppose
00:09 -!- GodTodd is now known as GodToddGym
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hehe
00:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what time is it down under?
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00:10 <linuxlizzard> hello again
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi joe
00:11 <DrJoeTron> yo
00:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: what time is it where you live?
00:12 <linuxlizzard> hmms...
00:13 <linuxlizzard> 6:10
00:13 <DrJoeTron> i thought you were an hour behind me
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: pm?
00:13 <linuxlizzard> ya
00:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just passed midnight
00:13 <linuxlizzard> heh
00:13 <linuxlizzard> well do you do dst joe
00:15 <DrJoeTron> buh?
00:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know some nice tool to set x background?
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> forget it
00:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> found one
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01:45 <DrJoeTron> jeesus
01:45 <DrJoeTron> hey luke
01:46 <DrJoeTron> question for you
01:46 <DrJoeTron> can you turn your servers back on?
01:46 <linuxlizzard> oh noes its joe again
01:46 <DrJoeTron> say when someone shuts it off
01:46 <spidey> ya
01:46 <spidey> in the admin panel
01:46 <spidey> "Control services"
01:46 <DrJoeTron> so he can turn them on
01:46 <DrJoeTron> ok
01:46 <linuxlizzard> where is this admin panel anyways
01:47 <DrJoeTron> i dont have one
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> lukes systems do
01:47 <linuxlizzard> aha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> and this is against my nature
01:47 <DrJoeTron> but
01:47 <DrJoeTron> you think you could do a favor for the LOL clan?
01:47 <linuxlizzard> oh noes
01:47 <spidey> hahaha
01:47 <DrJoeTron> tit quit, and fucked them over royaly
01:48 <spidey> you know
01:48 <linuxlizzard> well thats understandable
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit
01:48 <DrJoeTron> not only did he really didnt pay, but his clan did
01:48 <DrJoeTron> and he shut the server down
01:48 <spidey> Luke-Jr = root admin, he could restart it :p
01:48 <spidey> i don't think he quit anyways
01:48 <spidey> i think he got kicked out
01:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
01:49 <DrJoeTron> well i didnt ask
01:49 <DrJoeTron> dont really care
01:49 <spidey> cause wildcat and durka was asking me alot of questions when i complained to them
01:49 <DrJoeTron> but i felt like saying something since money is involved
01:49 <spidey> Luke-Jr ping
01:51 <spidey> yay
01:51 <spidey> the server i run from the webserver is back up
01:56 <DrJoeTron> yay
01:56 <DrJoeTron> the server i run from the shitty shit box is back up
01:56 <spidey> lol
01:56 <DrJoeTron> ooooh looks like the tub is back up too
01:57 <DrJoeTron> glad gomes got my text message
01:57 <spidey> hehe
01:57 <spidey> how many servers you got?
01:57 <DrJoeTron> me personaly
01:57 <DrJoeTron> or as a lobster collective
01:57 <spidey> lobsters
01:57 <DrJoeTron> 3
01:57 <spidey> cool
01:57 <spidey> i'll have 4 by december :
01:57 <spidey> :p
01:57 <DrJoeTron> Cage, Tub, Pot.
01:57 <DrJoeTron> I, Gomes, Lizzard
01:58 <spidey> i got fortress, dogfight , and sumo whenever it's up
01:58 <spidey> :/
01:58 <DrJoeTron> all of mine are "whenever it's up"
01:59 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
01:59 <DrJoeTron> its also ,
01:59 <DrJoeTron> Tron, Sumo, Team Tron,
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02:04 <ghableska> hello
02:12 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
02:13 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
02:13 <ghableska> is US fortress back up?
02:13 <spidey> hahaha
02:13 <spidey> yes it is
02:13 <spidey> and
02:13 <ghableska> O_o
02:13 <spidey> my day just went from shit
02:13 <spidey> to awesome
02:14 <ghableska> how?
02:14 <spidey> remember those guys that kept letting one of my dogs off the leesh?
02:14 <spidey> well he'd let the nice one off then leave
02:14 <spidey> so
02:14 <spidey> i forgot that my other one(not so nice)
02:14 <spidey> had a broken leesh
02:14 <spidey> and i had "tied" it together
02:14 <ghableska> I can see what's coming... XD
02:14 <spidey> he broke it and chased him haha
02:14 <ghableska> lmao
02:14 <spidey> bad part i had to chase the doh
02:14 <spidey> dog
02:14 <spidey> :/
02:15 <ghableska> did you catch him in the end?
02:15 <spidey> yes i got the dog
02:15 <spidey> he was walking yp up the middle of the road
02:15 <spidey> >.<
02:15 <ghableska> lol
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02:16 <Vanhayes> spidey: did you find the guy who let the dog off?
02:16 <spidey> no
02:16 <spidey> but i got him on webcam
02:16 <spidey> ;x
02:16 <Vanhayes> lol, seems kind of weird to just let someones dog off its chain
02:16 <spidey> not really
02:16 <spidey> they bark alot
02:16 <ghableska> especially when it might run after you...
02:17 <ghableska> happy barks?
02:17 <spidey> ya
02:17 <Vanhayes> big dogs?
02:17 <spidey> blacklabs
02:17 <spidey> about 7-8 months old
02:17 <spidey> they're pretty big
02:25 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you a no clanner now?
02:25 <spidey> not yet >.<
02:25 <spidey> probably will be soon,why?
02:25 * Vanhayes thought he remembered spidey saying he quit MBC
02:25 * ghableska did too
02:26 <spidey> i did but micro and lizz bugged me to much
02:26 <spidey> :/
02:26 <Vanhayes> heh
02:26 <Vanhayes> #seen lizz
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: lizz was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Lizz> l
02:26 <ghableska> I?
02:26 <ghableska> :P
02:26 <spidey> 1
02:26 <spidey> |
02:26 <ghableska> ?
02:27 <spidey> l
02:27 <spidey> owned
02:27 <Vanhayes> !
02:27 <spidey> i'ma watch a movie
02:27 <spidey> what should i watch?
02:27 <Vanhayes> the godfather
02:27 <spidey> bah
02:27 <GodTodd> sound of music
02:27 <ghableska> the matrix?
02:27 <GodTodd> ;)
02:27 <ghableska> :P
02:28 <Vanhayes> heh
02:28 <spidey> you and my other grandma would make a perfect couple Vanhayes :p
02:28 <spidey> ghableska got it
02:28 <ghableska> haha
02:28 <ghableska> :D
02:28 <Vanhayes> how old is she?
02:28 <spidey> 50 something
02:28 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:28 <Vanhayes> jk btw
02:28 <spidey> lmao
02:28 <Vanhayes> why, does she like the godfather?
02:29 <spidey> she has a thing for "the godfather" and "pride and predudice"
02:29 <spidey> or how ever it's spelled
02:29 <spidey> #check predudice
02:29 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "predudice": prejudice, prejudiced, prejudices, produce, Prentice, produced, predicts, producer, reduce, Prudence, preludes, produces, prudence, predates, predict, presides, prejudice's, prelude, and prepuce.
02:29 <spidey> hmm
02:29 <spidey> prejudice
02:29 <spidey> there
02:29 <Vanhayes> never seen it
02:30 <Vanhayes> Love the godfather trilogy though
02:30 <spidey> #beat Vanhayes
02:30 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:30 <ghableska> O_o
02:30 <Vanhayes> #list google
02:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
02:30 <spidey> now name a movie that was made after 1005
02:30 <spidey> plzkthnx
02:30 <Vanhayes> #clash
02:30 <spidey> 1995
02:30 <Vanhayes> lol 1005
02:31 <spidey> yes they made movie back then!
02:31 <Vanhayes> why name a movie before 1995?
02:31 <spidey> after!!
02:32 <spidey> because most movies before the effects suck
02:32 <Vanhayes> effects are a crutch for weak stories imho
02:32 <spidey> oh well
02:32 <ghableska> yeah
02:32 <spidey> effects make a movie
02:32 <ghableska> when was gattaca made?
02:32 <spidey> i don't wanna see something dull and boring
02:33 <ghableska> oh 1997...
02:33 <ghableska> nvm
02:33 <Vanhayes> gattaca is an awesome movie
02:33 <ghableska> yeah
02:33 <spidey> hitch hickers guide to the galaxy
02:33 <Vanhayes> one of my favs, and has barely any special effects
02:33 <spidey> i'ma download that
02:33 <spidey> Vanhayes i like movies where people fly through the air and kick shit
02:33 <ghableska> oh yeah
02:33 <spidey> and pretend the kicked shit was Vanhayes
02:33 <spidey> :D
02:34 <Vanhayes> spidey: you should get bruse lee movies then
02:34 <Vanhayes> bruce*
02:34 <Vanhayes> no special effects either :)
02:34 <spidey> i also like movies where humans that have died but are no longer dead but eat on alive humans till those humans are no longer alive
02:34 <ghableska> uh
02:34 <spidey> haha
02:35 <Vanhayes> ie zombie movies
02:35 <ghableska> riight
02:35 <spidey> i also like to pretend the humans being eaten are Vanhayes
02:35 <ghableska> :P
02:35 <Vanhayes> who said I was a human being?
02:35 <spidey> i knew it
02:35 <spidey> you're a alien
02:35 * Vanhayes is a chemical test monkey
02:35 <spidey> ohhh
02:36 <spidey> so you got big boobs to!?
02:36 <Vanhayes> ... why do you think monkeys have big boobs?
02:36 <ghableska> O_o
02:36 <spidey> well baboons have big red ass's
02:36 <Vanhayes> o ya reminds me, watch planet of the apes
02:36 <spidey> even though that sounded wrong :D
02:36 <spidey> i don't wanna watch it
02:37 <spidey> i've seen it to much already
02:38 * ghableska sneezes
02:38 * Vanhayes says gazuntieht
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gazuntieht
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gazuntieht": gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, jauntiest, gaunter, Gaziantep, gauziest, skintight, jauntier, Gauntley, gaunting, gantlet, and jaunted.
02:39 <ghableska> :P
02:39 <Vanhayes> #check gahuntight
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: Possible spellings for "gahuntight": gunfight, gaunting, skintight, gaunted, gauntest, gauntlet, haunting, untaught, goodnight, hunting, jauntiest, hindsight, gaunt, gunfought, and gaunter.
02:39 <Vanhayes> bah
02:39 <ghableska> #check gesuindeit
02:39 <armabot> ghableska: Possible spellings for "gesuindeit": gesundheit, rescinded, resounded, grounded, quintet, rescinder, resident, grinder, sounded, gender, soundest, sunder, sunset, fecundity, seconded, Genet, grandest, grounder, snidest, resined, descended, asunder, squinted, gaunted, and sequined.
02:39 <Vanhayes> lol
02:39 <ghableska> yes :D
02:39 <Vanhayes> #dict gesundheit
02:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "gesundheit" could be found.
02:40 <ghableska> :P
02:40 <Vanhayes> #google fight gesundheit gazuntieht
02:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: gesundheit: 158000000, gazuntieht: 0
02:40 <Vanhayes> lol
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 1
02:40 <spidey> http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2936/movies1ku9.jpg
02:40 <spidey> movies screenshot 2
02:40 <spidey> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/372/movies2zp7.jpg
02:41 <spidey> those are all the movies i go
02:41 <spidey> got
02:42 <Vanhayes> i only have one right now, X-men 3, and I only have that one cause I need more DVDs
02:43 <spidey> lol
02:43 <spidey> i have 4 dvd's
02:43 <spidey> but that won't hold all these
02:43 <spidey> i'll need atleast 11
02:43 * Vanhayes doesnt keep movies on his comp, just burns them right away
02:44 <spidey> good for you :p
02:44 <spidey> i have the hdd space to hold over 300
02:44 <spidey> well
02:44 <spidey> something like that
02:44 <spidey> these 80 plus all that other stuff on it
02:44 <spidey> only uses
02:44 <spidey> HD: [C:] 48.15/111.75 GB [F:] 8.09/12.72 GB
02:45 <spidey> if i cleared out all the other stuff besides movies i'd have about 60gigs free
02:45 <spidey> or so
02:47 * Vanhayes notices that spidey shares only 2 of all those movies
02:48 <spidey> hmm
02:48 <spidey> which ones?
02:48 <spidey> oh
02:49 <spidey> and yes only 2
02:49 <Vanhayes> resident evils
02:49 <spidey> i switch them up
02:49 <spidey> all the shit i've got in that folder it'd lag me way to bad to share them all
02:49 <spidey> plus my connection gets shitty if i share for to long
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03:48 <GodTodd> "What did the hurricane say to the coconut tree?
03:48 <GodTodd> Hold on to your nuts, this is no ordinary blow job!"
03:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you should be able to work around the problem by using // instead of / like in the error
03:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: so get an account on the official one
03:51 <Luke-Jr> (repository)
03:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I'm sure the map stuff could be optimized to handle more walls better
03:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I use BISON 2.1 fine, so I'm guessing 2.2 works around a GCC bug
03:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no way an engine rewrite could be merged into a stable ver =p
03:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Why won't Xevi get an account? Either way, I still accept email submissions if he wants to do it manually
03:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: Some LOL ppl asked me last night what happens if TNA doesn't pay, and I told them I'm more than willing to transfer ownership if someone else does pay
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> why did the new polish navy build glass-bottomed boats?
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> So they can see the old polish navy!
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, my 2 year old has gotten a lot better at pulling the keys off my laptop
04:33 <GodTodd> oh boy...i miss those days :/
04:33 <GodTodd> heh
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> what? you miss the days when my 2 year old pulled the keys off my laptop?
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> those days end saturday: he'll be 3
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> seriously though, he's gotten so good at it that he carefully organized the keys he pulled off, kept all the parts together, and didn't snap any of the little pegs
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04:53 <GodTodd> that's a bonus :)
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> did you hear about ford's latest big recall? ;)
04:53 <GodTodd> yep
04:54 <GodTodd> couldn't happen to a nicer company ;)
04:54 <Luke-Jr> ford sucks
04:54 <GodTodd> hoover sucks
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm <--- this is awesome!
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's really too bad there's no astronomy in my degree plan :(
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> hey, did you look at my degree plan?
04:58 <GodTodd> a bit, yeah
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you read the names of the classes? ;)
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04:59 <GodTodd> i'm sure i did at some point
04:59 <GodTodd> heh
04:59 <spidey> wb mkzelda
05:00 <mkzelda> thx, when did i leave?
05:00 <mkzelda> psybnc gets frozen
05:01 <spidey> [21:44] (-psyBNC) Fri Aug 4 02:44:42 :User mkzelda quitted
05:01 <spidey> it doesn't give me problems :p
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> and did you think "Holy shit, that looks like fun! Mommy mommy can I do that?"
05:04 <GodTodd> not that i recall
05:04 <mkzelda> spidey, it happens every month or so for me
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:04 <spidey> every month or so?
05:04 <mkzelda> i dont know its gotten hung until i realize that i've been chatting w/ myself for a while
05:04 <spidey> it hasn't been installed a month :p
05:05 <mkzelda> *my* psybnc
05:05 <spidey> ah
05:05 <mkzelda> its infrequent enuf i dont bother to fix it
05:05 <mkzelda> i just restart the PID
05:05 <mkzelda> rehup and its fine
05:05 <mkzelda> but if i connect
05:05 <mkzelda> er, when its stalled..
05:05 <spidey> lol
05:06 <mkzelda> i connect to my psybnc and it says connected...
05:06 <mkzelda> and then hangs b4 it grabs channel lists etc
05:08 <Compn> did you /quote pass?
05:08 <spidey> LOL
05:08 <mkzelda> ya thats not the prob
05:08 <mkzelda> its after you do that
05:09 <mkzelda> if i didnt have a buffer full of /names then i'd paste the err
05:09 <mkzelda> er, lack of error
05:09 <Compn> try a newer version of psybnc
05:10 <Compn> maybe just need a change ;p
05:11 <mkzelda> im using newest
05:11 <mkzelda> newer than spidey's
05:11 <spidey> :/
05:11 <spidey> wtf man
05:11 <spidey> my memory usage is at 92%
05:11 <spidey> and i'm not even doing anything!
05:11 <mkzelda> windows?
05:12 <spidey> ya
05:12 <mkzelda> nuff said
05:12 <spidey> not really
05:12 <spidey> 94% >.<
05:12 <mkzelda> whats using it?
05:12 <mkzelda> svchost?
05:12 <spidey> appearently
05:12 <spidey> ares
05:12 <spidey> msn
05:12 <spidey> firefox
05:12 <Compn> ares?
05:13 <spidey> and yahoo
05:13 <Compn> that p2p ?
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13 * Compn forgets what network ares is
05:13 <Compn> is ares its own network?
05:13 <Compn> is it good?
05:13 <Compn> one of the few p2p i havent tried
05:13 <spidey> ya
05:13 <Compn> you guys like psybnc , you might enjoy bitlbee :)
05:13 <spidey> i've downloaded gigs and gigs of shit :p
05:14 <Compn> it does yahoo/msn/aim/jabber using an irc interface
05:15 <mkzelda> i do that w/ gaim
05:15 <mkzelda> but, not irc interface
05:16 <mkzelda> cant see the advantage to it
05:16 <mkzelda> everyone keeps telling me to check it out
05:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: possibly with the exception of spacecraft dynamics
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/report_panel <--- this is the direction I'm going with the admin interface now :)
05:34 <GodTodd> i like the smaller icons, i think
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> everyone likes smaller icons
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> except me, that is :)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> what's your resolution?
05:40 <GodTodd> 1024x768
05:40 <spidey> ew
05:40 <GodTodd> :P
05:41 <spidey> i can't live with anything under 1280x1024 anymore
05:41 <GodTodd> i think you should go to 640x480 ;)
05:41 <spidey> bah!
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05:42 * spidey slaps GodTodd
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> mmm
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm at 1280x800
05:42 <GodTodd> hell...i remember when screens were monochrome and resolution was something you got, not set
05:42 <spidey> O.o
05:42 * GodTodd gets out his cane.
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/admin/control_panel <--- here you go, this is coming along, sort of
05:57 <GodTodd> i like the 'who's online' tracking stuff
05:57 <GodTodd> i'm nosy that way :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> me too :)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to see if the checklist module has a block, and if so I'm going to install it and put it in there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully we can add stuff to each other's checklists, that'll be neat
05:58 <GodTodd> checklists for what?
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, first let me put the user management stuff on there
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> stuff like, say I write something and I really need you to edit it for some reason, I can give you an item on a checklist that would remind you to edit it sometime
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> vice versa
05:58 <GodTodd> ahhh that'd rock :)
06:09 <GodTodd> question on stealing your degree plan spreadsheet: which credits are considered 'in-college' and which are 'in-degree'?
06:10 <GodTodd> i know...stupid questiong but, yeah...
06:10 <GodTodd> question*
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> scroll to the right to see how that's figured
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> no way to automate that, you'll need to put it in by hand
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, that doesn't answer the question, heh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> in-college is supposed to be only stuff offered by the college of engineering, but it's not
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> instead it includes all credits that aren't shit like history, government, comp 1, etc
06:17 <GodTodd> ahhh ok
06:18 <GodTodd> and i assume in-degree is the shit like prereqs to get to the shit on the official degree plan but isn't listed on it
06:18 <GodTodd> errr the opposite of what i just said
06:19 <GodTodd> heh
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> umm, in-degree includes calc 1, but not trigonometry
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> how's that sound to you?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, turns out the spell checker that's available is for 4.6, and we're running 4.7
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> so, I think I've got a checklist block there, but haven't tested and I really want to get to other things
06:23 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz the first math class on the 'official' plan is calc1 for me...but i have to get trig first...so it's only 'in my degree' because i need it for calc1
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> right, so I didn't count it as in-degree
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> um, ok. The other way to look at it is this:
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> in-degree means "what's on the degree plan"
06:24 <GodTodd> that's what i figured :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> in-college means "what will make my application to the CoE matter the most"
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the CoE doesn't give a rat's ass if I got an A or a C in history, but they *do* care if I got an A or C in calc 1
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so the in-college gpa is pretty important for that
06:24 <GodTodd> ok
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> after I'm at UT, or maybe if I start caring before then, I'll worry about how the UT credits fall into place as in-degree or in-college
06:25 <GodTodd> so like trig would be 'in-college' but not 'in-degree'
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> in the end, in-degree being the degree plan, that's how I'm supposed to know when I'll graduate, sorta, and "all" is all of my classes, so I can show my cumulative gpa
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, trig's not even in-college, it's only in 'all'
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> at least, it's supposed to be. :)
06:26 <GodTodd> well...i guess that makes sense...since CoE shouldn't really care below calc1
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, it should fatten my application some of the stuff I've done with math, like starting in developmental math, skipping, taking trig, skipping again, and then getting a's in calculus
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> say all other things are equal and they have to pick between me and some young punk
06:27 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the college I want to go to will respect what that means about me and pick me over the punk. :)
06:27 <GodTodd> right
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> wow, there's 8 guests on the website right now
06:28 <GodTodd> i saw that
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08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5961 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp:
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed missing network syncing in menu rendering idle function.
08:52 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed some quirks the network optimization revealed.
09:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I tried to get him to contact you, but it looks like he doesn't want to. But I'd like to add it to the wiki, and the only way to allow making selecting the cockpit possible with just one command is to add it to your repository
09:06 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:07 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: (1) Never draw what you can copy. || (2) Never copy what you can trace. || (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down.
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10:16 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5962 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gGame.cpp): Fixed explosion buds left from last round, cycles weren't deleted on the server in time.
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11:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
11:08 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #220: || Someone thought The Big Red Button was a light switch.
11:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
11:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: An Irishman is never at peace except when he's fighting.
11:10 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: there's two fortune commands, #f and #fortune
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #f
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
11:10 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? || A: The impossible dream.
11:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer.
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
11:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /exec -o fortune :P
11:11 <wrtlprnft> I like #f more, it gives more funny fortunes
11:12 <wrtlprnft> Who to himself is law no law doth need,
11:12 <wrtlprnft> offends no law, and is a king indeed.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> -- George Chapman
11:12 <wrtlprnft> x_x
11:12 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o cat /boot/vmlinuz
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok...
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> head: cannot open `/boot/vmlinuz' for reading: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ELF
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@-
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> �@
11:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ?
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i aint got a compressed kernel :P
11:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> `
11:14 <wrtlprnft> 11:13 [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-40-251.dclient.hispeed.ch] requested unknown CTCP from #armagetron:
11:14 <wrtlprnft> try cat /dev/urandom
11:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah
11:15 <wrtlprnft> /exec grep -ri fuck /usr/src/linux | head -n 5
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 11:10:09 up 2 days, 12:19, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there is something wrong with irssi
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11:15 <wrtlprnft> 11:15:49 up 12 days, 20:58, 6 users, load average: 0.86, 0.50, 0.45
11:15 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that works
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/jffs/intrep.c: don't fuck up. This is why we have
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/fs/binfmt_aout.c: /* Fuck me plenty... */
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c: * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_snmp_basic.c: * (And this is the fucking 'basic' method).
11:16 <wrtlprnft> /usr/src/linux/net/xfrm/xfrm_algo.c: /* Fuck, we are miserable poor guys... */
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> saying that i made it to crash irssi -.-
11:17 <wrtlprnft> grep: write error: Broken pipe
11:17 <wrtlprnft> wtf lol
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Fri Aug 4 11:12:29 CEST 2006
11:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 11:12:34 up 2 days, 12:21, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
11:17 <wrtlprnft> it just took forever to run
11:18 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even know about /exec
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
11:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's cool
11:18 <wrtlprnft> /exec lynx -dump http://armagetronad.net | head 5
11:19 <wrtlprnft> ArmagetronAdvanced
11:19 <wrtlprnft> * navigation
11:19 <wrtlprnft> * [1]News
11:19 <wrtlprnft> + [2]News Archive
11:19 <wrtlprnft> can't dump the whole page in here :(
11:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Ozzy Osbourne - Suicide Solution
11:22 <wrtlprnft> #echo test
11:22 <armabot> test
11:22 <wrtlprnft> oh, so I am still here
11:22 <wrtlprnft> strange
11:23 <wrtlprnft> I didn't get spamkicked, but I just dumped all of http://armagetronad.net/ into #testwrtl
11:23 <wrtlprnft> Linux laptop 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Fri Jul 14 18:40:58 CEST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz GNU/Linux
11:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
11:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is my server and router
11:30 * wrtlprnft should give his machines better names
11:30 <wrtlprnft> I was thinking about calling them marvin and ford and tricia etc
11:31 <wrtlprnft> but I would soon have to give them names I don't want to have to type all the time
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have earth, neptune, jupiter and asteroid
11:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/phpsysinfo/
11:34 <wrtlprnft> 11:35:26 up 15 days, 13:33, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:34 <wrtlprnft> that's the uptime of my server
11:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my best uptime ever
11:35 <wrtlprnft> used to be over 100
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was my old p4 server
11:35 <wrtlprnft> then there were those two kernel holes
11:35 <wrtlprnft> "old p4"?
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it was old
11:35 <wrtlprnft> my server is a 400MHZ thingy
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it had a p4
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> faster than mine
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 333
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sparc64
11:36 <wrtlprnft> never had a non- x86 machine
11:36 <wrtlprnft> Linux butler 2.6.17.6 #1 Tue Jul 18 18:58:40 CEST 2006 i686 Pentium II (Deschutes) GNU/Linux
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cpu : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fpu : UltraSparc IIi integrated FPU
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> prom : OBP 3.31.0 2001/07/25 20:36
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> type : sun4u
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus probed : 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ncpus active : 1
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> D$ parity tl1 : 0
11:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> I$ parity tl1 : 0
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0Bogo : 666.33
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Cpu0ClkTck : 0000000013d92d40
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> MMU Type : Spitfire
11:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got 2 of these babies ^^
11:37 <wrtlprnft> processor : 0
11:37 <wrtlprnft> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu family : 6
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model : 5
11:37 <wrtlprnft> model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
11:37 <wrtlprnft> stepping : 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpu MHz : 398.851
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cache size : 512 KB
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fdiv_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> hlt_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> f00f_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> coma_bug : no
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> fpu_exception : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cpuid level : 2
11:37 <wrtlprnft> wp : yes
11:37 <wrtlprnft> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up
11:37 <wrtlprnft> bogomips : 798.42
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pso@earth ~ $ armagetronad
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Warning in void FindConfigurationPath() in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp:1509 : Could not determine path to configuration files. Using defaults or command line arguments.
11:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in /var/tmp/portage/armagetronad-0.3.0/work/armagetronad-0.3.0/src/tron/gArmagetron.cpp:569 : Configuration files not found. Check your installation.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> umm
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ROTATION_FILE is currently set to .
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_FORBID_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_OVERRIDE_CUSTOM_GLANCE_SERVER_CUSTOM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_BACK_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_RISE_FROMSPEED unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command CAMERA_SERVER_GLANCE_PITCH unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command WIN_ZONE_DEATHS unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUEST_TIMEOUT unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_MIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_CONQUERED_KILL_RATIO unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_SURVIVE_WIN unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Command FORTRESS_MAX_PER_TEAM unknown.
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Error: Error in int main(int, char**) in tron/gArmagetron.cpp:645 :
11:39 <wrtlprnft> Couldn't initialize SDL: No available video device
11:39 <wrtlprnft> omg sorry
11:40 <wrtlprnft> i forgot that it prints so many errors on startup
11:40 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o is dangerous :S
11:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no clue where it installed the data files 0o
11:44 <wrtlprnft> well, irssi is running in a screen session here that's started before X
11:44 <wrtlprnft> so DISPLAY is not set and therefore arma fails
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm running irssi on my server
11:45 <guru3> i'm suprised you didn't get flooded out wrtlprnft
11:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i do not have X on the server
11:46 <wrtlprnft> guru3: me too
11:47 <wrtlprnft> did that all appear at once or did irssi put a delay between the lines?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> it appeared all at once for me
11:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> delayed
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that explains it
11:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have no damn clue what is going on with armagetron :(
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11:51 <wrtlprnft> won't start even if you run it on the command line?
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i emerged it using an edited ebuild
11:52 <madmax|pt> hello
11:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi madmax|pt
11:52 <wrtlprnft> edited?
11:52 <wrtlprnft> what about using Luke-Jr's ebuild?
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i want 0.3.0
11:53 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i edited luke's ebuild
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to do 0.3.0 instead
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> had to add some gldeps for it to work
11:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno, I don't use portage for that. I just compile it with --prefix=/home/mathias/armagetronad
11:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
11:54 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't use releases either, just SVN sources
11:54 <wrtlprnft> usually the trunk
11:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> unmerged it now...
11:55 <wrtlprnft> I never tried to write an ebuild, so ask Luke-Jr
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nah... gonna do a manual install...
11:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> screw portage this time
11:56 <wrtlprnft> as i said, just put it into some dir and install as normal user
11:56 <wrtlprnft> then you can just remove that dir to get rid of arma
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> don't ever want to get rid of it ;)
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> on the other hand side...
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i could screw up my system with a sysinstall...
11:57 <wrtlprnft> exactly
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that
11:58 <wrtlprnft> 's why I'm not doing it
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try svn...
11:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but 1st...
11:59 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want the trunk
12:00 <wrtlprnft> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.3.0/armagetronad
12:00 <wrtlprnft> if you want 0.3.0
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0.3.0 i can get in a shiny tbz2
12:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
12:01 <wrtlprnft> then get the trunk, it has ph's new zone stuff. But don't get it if you wanna make a fortress server
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> emerging subversion -.-
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna make a client is all
12:01 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
12:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> running the 0.3.0 release on my server
12:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only releases for servers...
12:02 <wrtlprnft> the trunk has some nice new goodies you won't get with 0.3.0... new lagometer, sticky history, reverse search in history (CTRL-R) and some new cockpit data sources
12:03 <wrtlprnft> but you won't be able to play fortress in a local game
12:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell is there a local game mode at all...
12:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, and *big change* the strongest bot is now called ArmagetronAd instead of Armagetron
12:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna watch some futurama...
12:05 <guru3> hf
12:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thnx
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5963 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg: Changed title track to something a bit more thought out
12:07 <wrtlprnft> is that a completely different one?
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, totally different
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> you miht like this one :)
12:08 <wrtlprnft> shorter than the old one
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> the old one was too long
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually borrowed from the movie, heh
12:09 <wrtlprnft> can we keep the old one as normal ingame track?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it as ingame track, I should re-record it and make it a tad longer, actually
12:09 <wrtlprnft> true
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the theme in this title track and the bass line I played awhile back are going to be the core of the soundtrack, I think
12:10 <wrtlprnft> so we aren't just getting a finished sound engine but also a finished sound track?
12:10 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, the sound engine is being written because I want to make a sound track :)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> ah
12:12 <wrtlprnft> be back later.
12:13 <wrtlprnft> or not
12:13 <wrtlprnft> misread the time by an hour
12:13 <wrtlprnft> so I'm still here.
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12:23 <madmax|pt> the brake is supposed to show "-0.0" ?
12:23 <madmax|pt> in trunk
12:28 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:29 <wrtlprnft> it does?
12:29 <wrtlprnft> doesn't for me
12:30 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:30 <madmax|pt> if i keep pressing brake it shows a constant -0.0
12:31 <madmax|pt> maybe in a later revision thats fixed? i see it in 5841
12:32 <wrtlprnft> don't think anyone fixed anything there
12:32 <madmax|pt> :/
12:32 <madmax|pt> try keeping brake pressed
12:32 <wrtlprnft> how long?
12:32 <madmax|pt> until zero...
12:33 <wrtlprnft> i did
12:33 <wrtlprnft> just shows 0.0
12:33 <madmax|pt> hm
12:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe the brake value is really something like -1e-20
12:33 <wrtlprnft> and the stl function we use shows -0.0 because of that
12:34 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:34 <madmax|pt> by brake value you mean cycle_brake?
12:35 <wrtlprnft> no
12:35 <wrtlprnft> the remaining brakes
12:35 <wrtlprnft> stored inside the cycle
12:36 <madmax|pt> ok soooo, how do i see that value?
12:36 <wrtlprnft> umm
12:36 <wrtlprnft> edit the cockpit file to show a higher precision?
12:37 <madmax|pt> heh, im not bothered with that, but it could be something you guys haven't noticed
12:37 * wrtlprnft didn't notice it because it isn't there
12:37 <madmax|pt> ...on yours
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:38 <wrtlprnft> what aarchitecture?
12:38 <madmax|pt> processor?
12:38 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:38 <madmax|pt> ppc
12:39 <wrtlprnft> that might be a reason in theory
12:39 <wrtlprnft> i use x86
12:40 <madmax|pt> hm
12:42 * wrtlprnft can't fix what he can't reproduce, that's the problem
12:42 <wrtlprnft> try updating your arma anyways
12:43 <madmax|pt> can the "remaining brakes... stored inside the cycle" be modified to another value?
12:43 <madmax|pt> screen btw http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2pg0.png
12:44 <wrtlprnft> i'd rather add some small number when converting to a string
12:46 <wrtlprnft> hmm, what you can try in the newest revsion:
12:46 <madmax|pt> i was doing that but.... the Xcode project file seems... corrupted
12:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, ask nemo
12:47 <madmax|pt> yep
12:47 <wrtlprnft> be aware you need a newer version of BISON
12:47 <madmax|pt> o_O
12:47 <madmax|pt> what's that?
12:47 <wrtlprnft> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/212dbe
12:47 <madmax|pt> nvm
12:47 <wrtlprnft> dunno exactly, ask Luke-Jr
12:48 <wrtlprnft> ask somone else, just not me ;)
12:50 <madmax|pt> my bison installation sure seems old
12:51 * Lucifer_arma wonders how long before someone notices the new title track, heh
12:51 <madmax|pt> lol
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that time shortens if I mention it, so I'll just go to bed
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> my important accomplishment tonight? installing audacity and taking advantage of the overwhelmingly good feeling of getting a 100 on his last calc test to make a new intro song :)
12:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> (100 = perfect score for you folks that don't use percentage grades)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> 1 = perfect score in Germany :P
12:56 <madmax|pt> hmm... maybe bison needs to be updated so i can open the project file
12:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so, but i have no clue about macos
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17:23 <DrJoeTron> whole lotta nothing this morning
17:25 <wrtlprnft> or afternoon
17:25 <Vanhayes> or exactally noon
17:26 <wrtlprnft> or midnight?
17:26 <Vanhayes> im sure it is some where
17:26 <Vanhayes> probly australia
17:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so was there anything wrong with adding a ::Recreate(std::vector<Variant>) for stuff?
17:28 <Luke-Jr> or perhaps a deque
17:29 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
17:29 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure
17:29 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it probably isn't exactly midnight anywhere
17:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what? O.o
17:30 <wrtlprnft> it's 5:30 here and most timezones are shifted by whole hours
17:31 <DrJoeTron> 10:32 here
17:32 <wrtlprnft> PM
17:33 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:33 <Luke-Jr> it's 10:31
17:33 <Luke-Jr> not 30 or 32
17:33 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:34 <Luke-Jr> sorry
17:34 <Luke-Jr> I was wrong
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's :35
17:34 <GodTodd> actually...there are some time zones that are offset by 30 minutes
17:34 <wrtlprnft> !
17:34 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: I know
17:34 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd: not many
17:34 <Luke-Jr> it's unlikely it's midnight in one of them
17:34 <wrtlprnft> but I don't think they are in the right place right now
17:34 <GodTodd> not too far off tho...it'll be midnight in 4 hours in calcutta ;)
17:36 <GodTodd> err 3 hours
17:36 <GodTodd> 4 hours for kabul
17:38 <DrJoeTron> newfoundland was one of them
17:38 <DrJoeTron> is*
17:39 <Vanhayes> ya nefoundland is -3:30 hours GMT
17:39 <Vanhayes> newfoundland*
17:40 <linuxlizzard>
17:41 <wrtlprnft>
17:41 <DrJoeTron> i remember this from planning with spoon
17:41 <DrJoeTron> fucking invader
17:42 <linuxlizzard> heh...
17:42 <GodTodd> then there's katmandu...they're really weird ;)
17:42 <linuxlizzard> ya, could you pm me the pass joe
17:42 <linuxlizzard> on the forums if not here
17:46 <DrJoeTron> taken care of
17:48 <linuxlizzard> thx X)
17:49 <linuxlizzard> hah you always have a way of making the greatest passwords ;)
17:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
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17:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft <-- I hope Jon is happy now
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18:01 <ghableska> hello
18:01 <Vanhayes> hi ghableska
18:01 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
18:01 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes
18:02 <wrtlprnft> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
18:02 <Vanhayes> Hi Vanhayes
18:02 <ghableska> :P
18:02 <wrtlprnft> ;)
18:02 * ghableska says hi
18:03 * Vanhayes Usage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps)
18:03 <wrtlprnft> help /me
18:04 <Vanhayes> lol
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 ME <message>
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 Sends a CTCP ACTION to the current channel or query. For example: /me sits back.
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03
18:04 <wrtlprnft> 18:03 See also: ACTION, CTCP
18:04 <wrtlprnft> mine is more technical :P
18:04 <ghableska> :P
18:04 * Vanhayes *
18:05 * Vanhayes yes I can
18:05 * ghableska pokes Vanhayes
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP NOTICE test from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <Vanhayes> * Received a CTCP VERSION from wrtlprnft (to #armagetron)
18:06 <wrtlprnft> lololol
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5964 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Removed explicit breakpoint, whoops, left over from last debugging session.
18:06 <ghableska> O_o
18:06 * Vanhayes test
18:06 <Vanhayes> hmm
18:06 <wrtlprnft> if i send a CTCP VERSION to a channel i get replies from everyone?
18:07 <Vanhayes> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> now I have all your client versions
18:07 <linuxlizzard> heh
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from Vanhayes: xchat 2.6.4-1 Windows XP [Intel Pentium 4/2.79GHz]
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from ghableska: Trillian
18:07 <Vanhayes> lol
18:07 <ghableska> haha
18:07 <wrtlprnft> 18:06 CTCP VERSION reply from linuxlizzard: XChat-GNOME IRC Chat 0.12 Linux 2.6.17-ARCH [i686]
18:08 <linuxlizzard> iei
18:08 <wrtlprnft> ghableska's client isn't very verbose :(
18:08 <ghableska> :P
18:08 <wrtlprnft> /ctcp version #freenode
18:08 <wrtlprnft> that would give tons of replies (and probably get me kicked from the network)
18:09 <Vanhayes> -wrtlprnft- VERSION irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux i686
18:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: twice?
18:09 <Vanhayes> ?
18:09 <Vanhayes> heh
18:13 <DrJoeTron> w3rd
18:14 <DrJoeTron> i cant beleive im reading about the edsel
18:16 <Vanhayes> ack
18:18 <linuxlizzard> ls
18:18 <linuxlizzard> meh wrong keyboard X)
18:18 <wrtlprnft> linuxlizzard: you don't want me to run /exec -o ls do you?
18:18 <linuxlizzard> hah
18:19 <linuxlizzard> no thanks ;)
18:19 <wrtlprnft> lucky for you
18:19 <wrtlprnft> it's many many lines
18:19 <linuxlizzard> lol
18:19 <wrtlprnft> aww
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19:05 <philippeqc> hi
19:06 <ghableska> hi philippeqc
19:06 <philippeqc> hi ghableska
19:08 <DrJoeTron> so many servers i dont want to play in today
19:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: has the bug after each round been resolved?
19:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
19:19 <wrtlprnft> it was my fault it seems
19:19 <wrtlprnft> I have no clue why, but removing my fix for pig sty fixed it
19:19 <philippeqc> my code is perfect of course, that is why I was suspicious of your accusations
19:19 <philippeqc> ;)
19:20 <wrtlprnft> I just couldn't imagine how that fix would cause such a crash
19:21 <wrtlprnft> as it was removing the zone from a list, causing other code NOT to access it
19:21 <philippeqc> from your cockpit map list?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> so how would this cause a message, "Hey! someone still wants to use that eNetObject!"
19:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:22 <philippeqc> when you removed the zone, are you sure it simply removed it from your list, and not actually gc it?
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19:23 <wrtlprnft> gc?
19:23 <philippeqc> garbage collected
19:23 <philippeqc> I know c++ doesnt have one
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no, it's just a deque of pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> but with all the smart pointer around
19:23 <wrtlprnft> no smart pointers
19:23 <philippeqc> one is bound to thing he is smarter than the rest
19:24 <wrtlprnft> you can have a look at it, second
19:24 <philippeqc> ok
19:24 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=5932
19:25 <wrtlprnft> especially look at zZone.h
19:25 <wrtlprnft> err
19:25 <wrtlprnft> .cpp
19:26 <wrtlprnft> you know more about zones by far
19:26 <philippeqc> 5931 is the crashing code?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> (philippeqc's knoledge about zones) / (wrtlprnft' knowledge of zones) = inf
19:26 <wrtlprnft> no, the one before
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> just take the newest revision
19:27 <wrtlprnft> and uncomment those lines
19:27 <philippeqc> and 5932 is the one that crash?
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19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.cpp:177-180
19:27 <wrtlprnft> zZone.h:71
19:27 <philippeqc> yes, I'm checking the diff atm
19:27 <DrJoeTron> time to do some escapades this month
19:28 <philippeqc> you cant comment out that block, it kills the object (gc them) while I still have some pointers to it
19:28 <DrJoeTron> going to order like 500 batteries, led's, magnets, and tape
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: commenting it out fixed it
19:28 <philippeqc> IIRC, the parent RemoveFromGame is more torough, and kills it
19:28 <linuxlizzard> what are you planing now joe :P
19:28 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can virtual constructors use varargs?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i'm calling it
19:28 <philippeqc> of 5931 and 5932, which one is the crashing one,
19:29 <wrtlprnft> virtual constructors don't exist
19:29 <wrtlprnft> 5931
19:29 <Luke-Jr> oh, right
19:29 * Luke-Jr stabs C++
19:29 <philippeqc> ok
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that has got to be one of the worst design decisions ever
19:29 <wrtlprnft> factories!
19:29 <Luke-Jr> still a bad design decision =p
19:29 <DrJoeTron> http://www.instructables.com/id/E9D2ZJ3FG0EP286JEJ/ this
19:29 <DrJoeTron> we've made 5
19:30 <DrJoeTron> ive found wrapping paper tape works fine as well
19:30 <linuxlizzard> haha
19:30 <Luke-Jr> would anyone be annoyed if we required '(new Add).Create(four, five)'
19:30 <Luke-Jr> err, s/./->
19:31 <DrJoeTron> if i understood any of that
19:31 <DrJoeTron> probably
19:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: weird, because I thing I'm the one who put that code there
19:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you aren't
19:31 <philippeqc> zZone.*
19:31 <wrtlprnft> i did put it there, definitely
19:31 <philippeqc> or I toiled with it,
19:31 <philippeqc> or is it zMonitor
19:32 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp?r1=5849&r2=5864&pathrev=5932
19:32 <wrtlprnft> err, no
19:33 <wrtlprnft> or rather, yes, that's it
19:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: nice !
19:34 <DrJoeTron> :D
19:34 * wrtlprnft should get a prize for his ability to confuse himself
19:34 <DrJoeTron> it will make chicago much more brilliant looking:D
19:35 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: no prize, I do it the same
19:36 <philippeqc> its a neat idea, quite simple but very neat!
19:36 <philippeqc> (was for DrJoeTron ^^)
19:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: is it possible to use a template for a constructor?
19:36 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the removal of zones is quite complex as they are used in 3 very different collections
19:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yes
19:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: eg, have it simply wrap around a virtual
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i think so
19:37 <philippeqc> the main game object, your for the cock pit and mine for the parsing
19:37 <wrtlprnft> uh, not like that
19:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> try it :)
19:37 <DrJoeTron> we need to order in bulk though, seperately all of the materials costs about 5 bucks to make one
19:37 <DrJoeTron> but the batteries will last for 2 weeks
19:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's why I'm calling the parent function
19:37 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml
19:37 <DrJoeTron> while powering the led
19:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: download the pdf, it is really worth it!
19:38 <philippeqc> 5 USD for ONE!!!!
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **class, args) {
19:38 <wrtlprnft> template<typename T> void create(T **obj, args) {
19:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah.. we need to order in bulk, it wil be much cheaper
19:39 <wrtlprnft> *obj = new T(args);
19:39 <wrtlprnft> }
19:39 <wrtlprnft> that might work
19:39 <DrJoeTron> i'll throw up videos if we ever do this :D
19:39 <wrtlprnft> but it's ugly like hell
19:40 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: IIRC: zEffector.h, zValidator.h and zSelector.h all operate with factories. All the object are created through "virtual constructors" in gParser.cpp
19:41 <philippeqc> check it up
19:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: yes, but I want compatibility with existing non-virtual-constructor code if possible
19:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: hrm, interesting
19:41 <philippeqc> it is not a virtual constructor, it is a factory
19:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the problem is, that doesn't handle run-time argument count
19:42 <Luke-Jr> so I was thinking
19:42 <wrtlprnft> nothing does
19:42 <philippeqc> forget I said "virtual constructor"
19:43 <Luke-Jr> template<typename R, typename A1, typename A2, ..., typename AN> R Base(A1, A2, ..., AN) etc
19:43 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how many parameters do you need??????????
19:43 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no reason for a limit
19:43 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: so now you are still producing them from over the counter bought parts?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: how would you actually code the funtion?"
19:44 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what is the problem you are trying to fix?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it's a virtual problem
19:44 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't really exist
19:44 <philippeqc> lol
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: there will be a virtual ::recreate(std::deque<Variant>)
19:45 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I want the constructor template to create the deque passed to recreate
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Argument checking needs to be done at run-time to support function calls from expressions
19:46 <philippeqc> so the constructor has to fill a collection that can be used to make a copy of the object
19:46 <wrtlprnft> I'll leave it to philippeqc, who knows at least as much about c++ as i do and make supper
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: to initialize the object
19:47 <DrJoeTron> we made 5 initially to test them out
19:47 <DrJoeTron> and worked great
19:47 <DrJoeTron> so now we are gonna try and get this working
19:47 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you will probably have 3 types of objects based on math functions. 0 params, 1 param and 2 params. Whouldnt the parser need to first detect the case and then call among those 3 groupings?
19:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: these are for non-math functions
19:47 <philippeqc> o
19:48 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: how many are you gonna make and for what use?
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as many is money permits
19:48 <DrJoeTron> as*
19:48 <DrJoeTron> and for making chicago look pretty :D
19:48 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: is the std::deque used to input data in the constructor or to the recreate?
19:49 <Luke-Jr> ::recreate is the 'real' constructor
19:49 <Luke-Jr> it takes arguments from the deque
19:49 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: Study the following: simple solar cell, rechargable battery, simple circuitry that say "if sun, charge and off led, no sun: on led"
19:49 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor will simply wrap around ::recreate
19:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
19:50 <philippeqc> so the constructor read all the arguments and then build the deque that it pass to the recreate
19:50 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:51 <guru3> btw, transferring main site to sf's hosting
19:51 <philippeqc> guru3: why?
19:51 <Luke-Jr> guru3: why? we were migrating *from* SF, not to it =p
19:51 <guru3> because when i leave for university
19:51 <philippeqc> o ok
19:52 <guru3> i can't exactly keep using my parents internet
19:52 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: why does the constructor need the deque as a parameter?
19:53 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: we won't know the # of args until runtime
19:53 <philippeqc> is it empty when it receives it, or has some data and the ctor (constructor) append some, or it is prepopulated and nothing is added
19:53 <guru3> dinner, bbl
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor gets different data depending on the use
19:54 <philippeqc> yes
19:54 <Luke-Jr> the ::recreate ctor gets data assembled either by the C++ ctor or by the tValueParser
19:56 <philippeqc> in which case does the ctor actually add data to the deque?
19:56 <Luke-Jr> the C++ ctor creates the deque
19:56 <Luke-Jr> and adds all its arguments to it
19:58 <philippeqc> so the ctor never receive a prepopulated deque?
19:59 <philippeqc> could you describe the problem you are trying to fix. not the "how to pass unlimited args to a constructor" but the problem that let you to find that as a solution.
20:06 <Luke-Jr> I have a string with class name, and a deque with arguments
20:07 <Luke-Jr> Factory fixes class name -> class problem
20:08 <philippeqc> can the same class really take a variying number of parameter?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> it's not the same class
20:08 <philippeqc> so some class will take 1, some 2, etc...
20:08 <Luke-Jr> yes
20:08 <Luke-Jr> but we don't know the argument count for the CALL until runtime
20:08 <Luke-Jr> AFAIK, you can't call with a var # of args in C++
20:09 <philippeqc> so you could actually have a factory for all the class that take 1 param, one for all the class that take 2, etc
20:09 <Luke-Jr> so how will I turn the deque into actual arguments?
20:09 <philippeqc> switch (deque.size()) case 1: factory1.create(); break; case 2: factory2.create(); break; ...
20:10 <Luke-Jr> that doesn't pass the arguments to the ctor
20:10 <philippeqc> factory2.create(deque[0], deque[1])
20:10 <Luke-Jr> eww :x
20:11 <Luke-Jr> but I guess it would work up to a limited # of args
20:11 <philippeqc> at some point, you have to map a deque to some parameters.
20:11 <Luke-Jr> perhaps have a master factory, then
20:11 <Luke-Jr> which you pass the class name and deque to
20:12 <Luke-Jr> and it does the arg counting
20:12 <Luke-Jr> of course, we need a special factory anyway, so that's probably simple to add
20:12 <Luke-Jr> (to match not just class name, but class type)
20:12 <Luke-Jr> eg, some functions are only applicable for zones-- so they would have a zone type
20:13 <Luke-Jr> some are only for cockpits, etc
20:13 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: I'm not saying I know all about C++ and your problem, but I get the feeling you started on a track, and are bangning your head trying to bend C++ to fit that track, while maybe it is your design that should be revised.
20:13 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no, your idea solves it pretty good
20:14 <Luke-Jr> but even with a factory, we have 2 constructors :x
20:14 <Luke-Jr> I think?
20:14 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: you have never implemented a factory, played with constructors and templates and function/ctor overloading based on arguments, and somehow I feel you are trying to take it all at once in one complex melting pot
20:17 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the problem is allowing both factory and C++ construction without extra code per-class
20:18 <Luke-Jr> eg, new Add() using the same code as Add::create()
20:18 <Luke-Jr> I want the Add() to use a template to call Add::create(), and not need to implement a dummy Add::Add() in .cpp
20:18 <philippeqc> yes,and it sound true when you say it. But maybe what you need right now is to put that on ice, learn about constructor (1), learn about overloading (2), learn about templates (3), make a few factories for the fun of it (4) and then come back to your problem
20:19 <philippeqc> Add::create() should call Add()
20:19 <Luke-Jr> ok, then that works too
20:19 <Luke-Jr> but I don't want every single class to implement ::create, you know?
20:19 <philippeqc> make your factory function call the right constructor. Check the code that I pointed out
20:20 <philippeqc> every single class will have to implement ::create(). that one is static and public, and the real constructor is private. That is the basis of the factory design pattern
20:20 <philippeqc> (IIRC)
20:21 <Luke-Jr> that's what I want to avoid
20:21 <philippeqc> Look
20:21 <philippeqc> at
20:21 <philippeqc> my
20:21 <philippeqc> code
20:21 <philippeqc> (I coulnd't insist more than that)
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20:24 <Luke-Jr> template<typename T, ... Args> Base *create(Args args) {
20:24 <Luke-Jr> return new T(args);
20:24 <Luke-Jr> }
20:24 <Luke-Jr> maybe that
20:25 <philippeqc> then you need to call that from withing a switch case to pass the right T
20:25 <philippeqc> which is what you are trying to avoid
20:25 <philippeqc> have you checked at my code?
20:26 <Luke-Jr> that's based on your code
20:29 <philippeqc> so you saw that the cost is either a big fat ugly switch case (3 lines / entry for readability )everywhere you want to call the "factory" or a single additional line for each class ;)
20:29 <philippeqc> I'm going to eat and watch a movie
20:29 <Luke-Jr> or neither
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20:32 <Luke-Jr> this all just reiterates the suckiness of C++
20:32 <Luke-Jr> factories shouldn't be necessary anyway
20:46 <Luke-Jr> template<typename T> class Creator<T> {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> public:
20:46 <Luke-Jr> template<... Args> static Base *create(Args args) const {
20:46 <Luke-Jr> return new T(args);
20:46 <Luke-Jr> };
20:46 <Luke-Jr> };
20:46 <Luke-Jr> Creator<Add>::create
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21:57 * wrtlprnft thinks Luke-Jr is thinking too complicated
21:58 <Luke-Jr> maybe more complicated for tValue, but simpler for the implementations
22:00 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you wanted ::Get<float> etc, right?
22:00 <Luke-Jr> // Alipha in ##c++ is awesome? ;p
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<float>() const { return GetFloat(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<int>() const { return GetInt(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<tString>() const { return GetString(); }
22:00 <Luke-Jr> template<> float Get<Variant>() const { return GetValue(); }
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that shouldn't work
22:07 <Luke-Jr> no?
22:10 <Luke-Jr> hrm, /me ponders why
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22:53 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my implementation of random and sin functions
22:53 <Luke-Jr> typedef fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
22:53 <Luke-Jr> typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> sin;
22:56 <DrJoeTron> alright boys
22:56 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: ?
22:56 <DrJoeTron> personal opinion
22:57 <DrJoeTron> you think I can get something recorded in less that 2 weeks?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> than*
22:57 <DrJoeTron> 2 weeks is all i have
22:58 <Luke-Jr> recorded?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> music
22:58 <Luke-Jr> um
22:58 <Luke-Jr> if you have a mic, sure
22:58 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:58 <DrJoeTron> sweet
22:59 <DrJoeTron> getting into crunch time
23:04 <linuxlizzard> waht exactly are you trying to pull off here joe? ;P
23:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5965 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Allow Get<type> instead of GetType
23:11 <DrJoeTron> me?
23:11 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i are trying to get things recorded
23:11 <DrJoeTron> since we were just 1upped
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and we have 2 weeks before he leaves
23:11 <DrJoeTron> so
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we're trying to get our stuff going
23:11 <DrJoeTron> we were 1upped by our old guitarist
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and his stuff is just so retarded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> so we want to get like 4 songs recorded
23:12 <DrJoeTron> 2 of which are jams
23:13 <DrJoeTron> 2 are going to be les claypool ish
23:13 <DrJoeTron> psuedo folk songs, songs about people
23:13 <DrJoeTron> made up people
23:15 <linuxlizzard> heh
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23:44 <guru3> someone open up the main armagetronad.net site plz?
23:44 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:44 <DrJoeTron> what am i looking for
23:44 <guru3> bottom of the page
23:44 <guru3> black button there?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> support this project?
23:45 <DrJoeTron> yes
23:45 <guru3> good
23:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, I see your personal site there
23:45 <guru3> mmm
23:45 <wrtlprnft> electricpotential.net
23:45 <guru3> guess the dns hasn't updated for you
23:46 <wrtlprnft> now it works
23:47 <guru3> cool
23:47 <wrtlprnft> my browser is caching all DNS queries
23:47 <guru3> that saves me about 4GB/month of traffic now
23:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm, hopefully I'll get a shiny new vserver in about half a year
23:48 <wrtlprnft> when the domain for my old hosting runs out
23:49 <wrtlprnft> then I won't have any trouble hosting something that takes 4GB/month
23:49 <guru3> it's not that i have trouble
23:49 <guru3> but that i don't want to leave it at home
23:49 <guru3> when i don't live here anymore
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i read it
23:49 <guru3> god knows what will happen to the forums :/
23:49 <guru3> anyone be ticked off if they just disapear?
23:53 <wrtlprnft> uh
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i won't be that happy
23:53 <DrJoeTron> http://user.it.uu.se/~svens/larverna/normal.html attack of the catterpillars
23:54 <wrtlprnft> give the database to Lucifer_arma or someone
23:54 <wrtlprnft> if it's just plain PHP or mysql I could even host them
23:54 <wrtlprnft> how much traffic do they generate?
23:54 <guru3> that's kind of sick
23:55 <guru3> the forums?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> yes
23:55 <guru3> i'm afraid to look
23:56 <wrtlprnft> anything below 45GB i could do
23:57 <guru3> i know the folder is ~1GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> ack
23:57 <wrtlprnft> that's a limit I can't do
23:57 <guru3> which
23:57 <wrtlprnft> the size
23:57 <guru3> is why i'm afraid to check out actual bandwith usage
23:57 <wrtlprnft> my hoser gives me only one GB
23:57 <wrtlprnft> *hoster
23:58 <guru3> ><
23:58 <guru3> having the forums where they've been
23:58 <guru3> has been a godsend
23:59 <wrtlprnft> and you couldn't put them on SF?
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00:00 <guru3> the forums?
00:00 <guru3> no
00:00 <guru3> that's against their agreement thing
00:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
00:00 <guru3> plus the max there is 100MB
00:00 <guru3> and it all has to be project relatead
00:01 <wrtlprnft> failing that I could sure put it on my home server, but as I already stated it's a 400MHz box on a connection with about 90KB/s upstream
00:01 <guru3> which is the same sort of conn the main site has been on
00:02 <wrtlprnft> well, the key is
00:02 <wrtlprnft> how much traffic do the forums generate?
00:02 <guru3> i've never analyzed the log file
00:02 <wrtlprnft> so big?
00:02 <guru3> i dunno
00:02 <guru3> let me find it
00:02 <guru3> 2.1GB
00:03 <wrtlprnft> wow
00:03 <guru3> meh
00:03 <guru3> ive got a 4gb one
00:03 <guru3> *3gb
00:03 <guru3> and that's only since febuary D:
00:03 <wrtlprnft> ugh
00:04 <guru3> you got that right :/
00:04 <guru3> i was wondering where the hell all my free space went
00:04 <guru3> the forums log file
00:04 <guru3> has 11091569 lines
00:04 <wrtlprnft> anyways, email wouldn't work on my server
00:05 <guru3> i should get gmail for armagetronad.net
00:05 <guru3> anyone opposed?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 6 months
00:05 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (6 months) = 21.0886872 kBps
00:05 <guru3> that's since 2004 btw
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 6 months in GB per month
00:05 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (6 months) = 52.8887224 GB per month
00:05 <wrtlprnft> oooh
00:05 <guru3> [15/Mar/2004:22:39:55 +0100]
00:05 <wrtlprnft> #g 11091569 * 30 KB / 18 months in GB per month
00:06 <guru3> that's the first entry
00:06 <armabot> (11,091,569 * (30 KB)) / (18 months) = 17.6295741 GB per month
00:06 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that's a good estimate
00:06 <guru3> who knows what the average file size is :S
00:06 <wrtlprnft> exactly
00:07 <guru3> guess i'll dl the log file
00:07 <guru3> and run awstats on it
00:07 <wrtlprnft> can't run it on the server?
00:07 <guru3> awstats not installed
00:08 <wrtlprnft> it's a local download for you, right. Else I'd have said installing awstats would be faster than downloading 4GB
00:08 <wrtlprnft> or 2GB
00:08 <wrtlprnft> s/else/otherwise
00:08 <guru3> shit gonna take years to dl the log file
00:09 <guru3> eta 40 minutes
00:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 90 KB per second * 1 month in GB
00:09 <armabot> (90 (KB per second)) * 1 month = 225.712724 gigabytes
00:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm, theorethically I should be able to serve that
00:09 <wrtlprnft> i love google for those kinds of calculations
00:10 <guru3> i just usually use my ti83+
00:10 <wrtlprnft> if i had my 84+ handy...
00:11 <guru3> ><
00:11 <guru3> who'd want an @armagetronad.net email?
00:11 <wrtlprnft> there's already one @sf.net i never check
00:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5966 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Moved writing of players.cfg before inclusion of everytime.cfg, so scripts that write everytime.cfg have the latest information.
00:11 <wrtlprnft> but sure, if i can check it out via pop3...
00:11 <guru3> you can check gmail via pop3
00:12 <wrtlprnft> so you can use gmail with your own domain?
00:12 <guru3> there's a beta for it
00:12 <guru3> i'm gonna sign armagetronad.net up for it
00:12 * wrtlprnft isn't up to date with latest google developments
00:12 <wrtlprnft> too fast for me to keep up
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5967 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed balancing if two unbalanced teams are present and the maximum number of players per team is reduced.
00:12 <guru3> i'm gonna arbitrarily say we need 50 email accounts
00:12 <wrtlprnft> that's lots for our team
00:13 <guru3> well maybe people that we're friendly with too
00:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
00:13 <guru3> like well known server admins
00:13 <wrtlprnft> still, 50 is plenty for now
00:13 <guru3> yup
00:14 <guru3> i'll lower it to 30
00:14 <guru3> nah
00:14 <guru3> 25
00:14 <wrtlprnft> does it cost?
00:14 <guru3> doesn't look like it
00:14 <wrtlprnft> then why limit?
00:14 <guru3> it
00:14 <guru3> isn't a limit
00:14 <guru3> it's
00:14 <guru3> "number of accounts needed"
00:15 <wrtlprnft> can you increase that later?
00:15 <guru3> who knows
00:16 <guru3> "why we want gmail"
00:16 <guru3> "Since we're a small open source project we have no cash flow and being able to use as good an interface as Gmail for an email address that's likely to have technical questions and threads would be quite useful."
00:17 <guru3> changed it slightly
00:17 <guru3> hope they buy it
00:17 <wrtlprnft> so you want the forums server to send notifications from that address?
00:17 <guru3> no
00:17 <wrtlprnft> so that's unrelated
00:18 <guru3> yeah
00:18 <guru3> i use my isp's smtp for that :S
00:19 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess i could set it up to send emails from armagetronad@plus.cablesurf.de, but that's it
00:19 <guru3> you can lie about the sending address
00:19 <wrtlprnft> if you don't find anyone with better capacibilities
00:19 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i know, but i don't know if my ISP allows that
00:19 <guru3> i think they all say form forums@armagetronad.net
00:20 <wrtlprnft> lemme check something
00:22 <wrtlprnft> wow, that actually worked
00:22 <guru3> ?
00:22 <guru3> afk
00:22 <wrtlprnft> never mind, I can use my ISP's SMTP
00:22 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't seem to care about the From: header
00:26 <wrtlprnft> so, if you can't get Luke-Jr or z-man or Lucifer_arma or anyone else to host the forums I could do it. It's still better than having them go down, and sure I'd sign some agreement that I don't disclose stuff from the user table
00:27 <DrJoeTron> man im loving these smilies soo much
00:29 <guru3> wrtlprnft: thnx for the offer
00:29 <wrtlprnft> you're welcome
00:29 <guru3> but we're not licked yet
00:29 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
00:29 <Luke-Jr> um
00:29 <guru3> ie
00:29 <guru3> it's not necessary yet
00:29 <Luke-Jr> hachi has plenty of CPU/bandwidth/etc
00:29 <wrtlprnft> i'd just hate to see them go down. Too much history lies in there
00:29 <Luke-Jr> but it currently runs PHP 5 only...
00:30 <guru3> mmm
00:30 <guru3> that'd be tough to fix
00:30 <guru3> ie
00:30 <guru3> fresh install territory
00:30 <Luke-Jr> I could host it on tsurukikun, but that's the old host for aabeta, which sometimes is slow and such
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or I could try Gentoo's new both-PHP4-and-PHP5 thing
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or run PHP4 as CGI via SuPHP
00:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma will probably protest :P
00:32 <wrtlprnft> as CGI? are you insane? that'll be awfully slow
00:32 * Luke-Jr hasn't tried it, so wouldn't know
00:32 <Luke-Jr> in theory, lightfoot could host it
00:33 <Luke-Jr> but how much bandwidth does it need? I'll need to cap it so it doesn't mess w/ the servers hosted there
00:33 <wrtlprnft> that's the reason why there is mod_php so php doesn't need to start up for every page request
00:33 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: guru3 is currently trying to find out
00:33 <Luke-Jr> 512 kbit/sec enough? that's probably the most I can do unless I upgrade lightfoot
00:33 <Luke-Jr> oh
00:34 <Luke-Jr> guru3: can you forward luke-jr@armagetronad.net to me?
00:35 * Luke-Jr could certainly host armagetronad.net SMTP/IMAP/POP3 easily
00:36 <guru3> i'm asking gmail to do it ><
00:36 <wrtlprnft> well, at least we're not missing offers :)
00:36 <guru3> true
00:37 <Luke-Jr> guru3: GMail is decent, but lacks IMAP and I doubt non-@gmail get IM hosting
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma's already hosting the wiki, so he probably doesn't want additional bandwidth
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5968 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: GNUPLOT_DEBUG now also active in non-debug mode.
00:37 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed future walls left standing after crash.
00:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr is struggling with hosting a game server now, it probably won't run that well if you put the forums onto the same server
00:37 <wrtlprnft> err
00:38 <wrtlprnft> s/Luke-Fr/z-man/
00:38 <wrtlprnft> s/F/J/
00:38 <guru3> ><
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5969 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5946 to 5967:
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: r5967 | z-man | 2006-08-05 00:13:32 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 1 line
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed balancing if two unbalanced teams are present and the maximum number of players per team is reduced.
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: r5966 | z-man | 2006-08-05 00:12:35 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 1 line
00:38 <Luke-Jr> of course, even if GMail did provide IM services for other domains, they wouldn't work since our domain is still with uck no-ip
00:39 <wrtlprnft> 31 more messages till r6000!
00:39 <Luke-Jr> and no-ip doesn't allow SRV records-- no so IM
00:39 <Luke-Jr> so no*
00:39 <Luke-Jr> of course, hosting IM is simple =p
00:39 <wrtlprnft> we have this channel.
00:39 <Luke-Jr> this isn't IM
00:39 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:39 <wrtlprnft> doesn't matter, it does its job
00:39 <Luke-Jr> this is MUC
00:39 <wrtlprnft> and it's 100% free
00:39 <Luke-Jr> MUC's job is different from IM's
00:40 <wrtlprnft> noone needs IM
00:40 <DrJoeTron> google is providing support with Gtalk
00:40 <Luke-Jr> =p
00:40 <DrJoeTron> to talk to people on AIM
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: maybe not for other domains
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: not yet
00:40 <DrJoeTron> its comming though
00:40 <wrtlprnft> people will do their own thing with ICQ/MSN/YIM/AIM/whatever anyways
00:40 <DrJoeTron> at least to AIM
00:40 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: hopefully it won't be GTalk-specific
00:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah, but @armagetronad.net could be nice for talking to AA ppl =p
00:41 * spidey bitch smacks Luke-Jr and DrJoeTron just cause he can
00:41 <DrJoeTron> well right now
00:41 <DrJoeTron> 44,000 people used Google talk
00:41 <DrJoeTron> so not many people use it
00:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, you can register any email address with MSN :O
00:41 <wrtlprnft> *:P
00:41 <DrJoeTron> that was as of last month
00:41 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: Google Talk isn't limited to talking to other GTalk users
00:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: MSN is non-standard
00:41 <DrJoeTron> i didnt say it ways
00:41 <DrJoeTron> was*
00:41 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't count
00:42 <DrJoeTron> right now it cant
00:42 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: you implied it
00:42 <Luke-Jr> you can use GTalk and talk to anyone else using a standards-compliant IM program/server
00:42 <DrJoeTron> Google talk can only talk to people who have some sort of version of google talk
00:42 <Luke-Jr> nope
00:42 <DrJoeTron> yes
00:42 <Luke-Jr> I don't use Google Talk
00:42 <Luke-Jr> you can talk to me
00:43 <wrtlprnft> I don't want/need yet another way people can ping me
00:43 <Luke-Jr> I use nothing Google =p
00:43 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it would just be yet another account on your Kopete =p
00:43 <DrJoeTron> you have a similar program to it then
00:43 <DrJoeTron> and so far, only just you
00:43 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: where's your standards- compliant search engine?
00:43 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I have a standards-compliant program, and use it with my own IM server
00:43 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: I use 0% Google for IM
00:44 <DrJoeTron> i read that
00:44 <DrJoeTron> DrJoeTron> you have a similar program to it then
00:44 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: plenty of people use IM without Google
00:44 <Luke-Jr> more than people using ICQ
00:44 <DrJoeTron> im one of them
00:44 <DrJoeTron> i use AIM
00:44 <Luke-Jr> AIM isn't standard IM
00:44 <Luke-Jr> yet
00:44 <wrtlprnft> AIM? omg
00:44 <DrJoeTron> ICQ is terrible
00:44 <wrtlprnft> so is AIM
00:45 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: ICQ was the first, and is better than AIM and MSN
00:45 <Luke-Jr> and Yahoo
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and MSN
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and YIM
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and Yabber
00:45 <DrJoeTron> ICQ sucks
00:45 <DrJoeTron> AIm sucks
00:45 <wrtlprnft> and any IM, by definition
00:45 <wrtlprnft> sucks
00:45 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
00:45 <wrtlprnft> that's why IRC is so grat
00:45 <DrJoeTron> i prefer google talk out of all of them
00:45 <DrJoeTron> i have AIM because everyone i know has it
00:46 <Luke-Jr> I prefer Psi
00:46 <wrtlprnft> no flashy colors, no nudges, nothing unnecessary
00:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: IRC has flashy colours
00:46 <wrtlprnft> yes, but they aren't usually used
00:46 <Luke-Jr> and some clients have nudges sortof
00:46 <wrtlprnft> other than in MSN where everyone writes in his own unreadable font/color
00:46 <Luke-Jr> the base XMPP IM spec doesn't have fonts/colors anyhow
00:47 <wrtlprnft> and sends his huge ugly animated smileys around
00:47 * Luke-Jr hates graphical smilies
00:47 <wrtlprnft> they're nice as long as thery're small
00:47 <wrtlprnft> not higher than a normal character
00:47 <Luke-Jr> I like :) better
00:48 <Luke-Jr> what I *really* hate is when I type ":)" and it replaces with a graphic
00:48 <wrtlprnft> pfft
00:48 <wrtlprnft> * *
00:48 <wrtlprnft> -
00:48 <wrtlprnft> ---
00:48 * wrtlprnft sucks at ASCII art
00:48 <Luke-Jr> indeed
00:49 <Luke-Jr> o o
00:49 <Luke-Jr> |
00:49 <Luke-Jr> \_/
00:49 <wrtlprnft> x x
00:49 <wrtlprnft> |
00:49 <wrtlprnft> .-.
00:49 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
00:50 <wrtlprnft> ><-}}}�>
00:51 <wrtlprnft> something like that
00:51 <wrtlprnft> might have been >-<}}}�> too
00:51 <wrtlprnft> or ><}}}-�>?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> probably the first one
00:52 <wrtlprnft> only idiots write in color all the time!
00:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:53 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:53 <Luke-Jr> guru3: figured out bandwidth yet?
00:54 <spidey> mmm
00:54 <spidey> using 18% of my ram
00:54 <spidey> now that's more like it
00:54 <spidey> ;x
00:55 <Luke-Jr> OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.17-gentoo/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.926 MHz) - Processes: 216 - Uptime: 3d 20h 50m - Users: 27 - Load Average: 1.56 - Memory Usage: 1864MB/1002MB (185%)
00:55 <spidey> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz Video: Plug and Play Monitor on Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (1280x1024x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: SoundMAX Digital Audio Memory: Used: 98/504MB Uptime: 2d 8h 31m 58s HD: [C:] 40.61/111.75 GB [F:] 8.06/12.72 GB Connection: ADMtek AN983 based ethernet adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 2598.57MB Sent: 1422.72MB)
00:55 <Luke-Jr> I wish I knew how much RAM I used on lightfoot
00:55 <spidey> only using 98mb
00:55 <spidey> :p
00:56 <Luke-Jr> maybe I should put Xen on hachi and colocate it =p
00:56 <spidey> Xen?
00:56 <Luke-Jr> think VServer++ =p
00:56 <spidey> oh
00:56 <Luke-Jr> or rather
00:56 <Luke-Jr> allowing multiple OS to run on the same system concurrently
00:57 <spidey> ah
00:57 <spidey> well me = tron untill this pc decides to go back to using 490+mb of my ram
00:57 <spidey> >.<
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can't you just run free -m?
01:01 <wrtlprnft> total used free shared buffers cached
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Mem: 1010 878 132 0 80 284
01:01 <wrtlprnft> -/+ buffers/cache: 513 497
01:01 <wrtlprnft> Swap: 488 258 230
01:01 <guru3> not figured out bandwith
01:01 <guru3> on tomorrow's todo list
01:02 <wrtlprnft> ok, I'm off to bed anyways
01:02 <wrtlprnft> 1AM here
01:02 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:02 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: doesn't work
01:02 <Luke-Jr> guru3: ok, well let me know
01:02 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure we can figure something out-- the forum is pretty important
01:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
01:20 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sleep well
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01:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be happy to host an html archive of the forums
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> of course, sourceforge could host that too
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01:46 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: you kicking around right now?
01:46 <guru3> sadly still
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> if the choice is "lose the forums" or "lucifer hosts the forums", I'll take the forums
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> I have a strong preference for moving them into drupal and combining them with the main site, though :)
01:47 <guru3> ><
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, there's a part of me that says "shut up and wait until they're gone and then setup new drupal-based forums"
01:48 <guru3> :o lol
01:49 <[dlh]> I'd prefer a mailing list over forums, and it looks like drupal has several modules to link together forums and a mailing list. best of both worlds.
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be interested in moving developent discussion to a mailing list
01:52 <[dlh]> The gmail thing tank signed up for hosts mailing lists, it looks like.
01:52 <[dlh]> or maybe not. hmm.
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not terribly interested in letting google take it
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> If we're going to accept advertising on our pages, I'd just as soon we pocket the money ourselves
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft:
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> checking for FT_Render_Glyph in -lftgl... no
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> configure: error: You need the library ftgl to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, nothing has changed :(
01:59 <guru3> good night
02:00 <ghableska> cya
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> night guru3
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5970 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp:
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: Security fixes:
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - network ID hog kicking code repaired (it produced endless loops)
02:06 <armabot> armagetronad: - owner of received object checked on the server
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nvm, just fallout from rebuilding my system with gcc 4.1
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5971 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (network/nNetObject.cpp tron/gCycle.cpp): (log message trimmed)
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5967 to 5970:
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: r5970 | z-man | 2006-08-05 02:07:24 +0200 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: Security fixes:
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: - network ID hog kicking code repaired (it produced endless loops)
02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: - owner of received object checked on the server
02:14 <Luke-Jr> I have a project I started a while ago that did NNTP, ML, and forums combined
02:15 <Luke-Jr> the forums were really the only incomplete part
02:15 <Luke-Jr> mainly because I wanted to make it a phpBB backend of a sort
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02:57 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig shrink
02:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK: Distance multiplier in wall length calculation. All values are legal. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSETDistance: offset in wall length calculation. See settings.cfg for full docs. (default: 0) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OFFSET_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 3) || CYCLE_DIST_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: UNDOCUMENTED (1 more message)
02:58 <Vanhayes> #more
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK: With finite length trails, the used rubber is multiplied with this value and the result is subtracted from the wall length. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK differs from its default? (default: 3)
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03:13 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: what ever happened with that LOL clan server, TNA thing?
03:13 <Luke-Jr> Vanhayes: no idea, haven't heard from any of them
03:14 <Lucifer_arma> titboy probably ot booted from lol
03:15 <Vanhayes> he did, and then fucked their webpage over with porn
03:18 <spidey> i agree
03:18 <spidey> ;
03:18 <spidey> ;x
03:19 <spidey> tna is starting to turn out worse than psyko
03:20 <Vanhayes> well psyko isnt bad in the game its only out of it on forums he gets really annoying
03:21 <spidey> you haven't seen the real psyko
03:21 <spidey> what you see either way is some bullshit front he puts on
03:21 <Vanhayes> well ive seen TNA flip out and start going crazy over somone missing a block in styball
03:22 <spidey> lol
03:22 <spidey> tna's like a adhd kid
03:22 <spidey> he doesn't count
03:23 <Vanhayes> i mean he went insane, started swearing and insulting for like 5 min straight untill he got kicked
03:23 <spidey> lol
04:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
04:06 <Vanhayes> wow I think it might be fixed for good now
04:07 <Vanhayes> #more
04:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || FCSS (1 players) || ATC Team (0 players) || {Accelerator's place} (jalsti.dyndns.org:4540) (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
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04:11 <Lucifer_arma> there's something off about the new title theme
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> anybody update from the trunk today and play?
04:22 <[dlh]_> I would offer input, but I have sound disabled.
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04:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I saw the post. Your problem will be solved soon, it just takes some reworking to get it
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05:34 <Vanhayes> hmm I need sleep, gotta get up early to go on vacation Night
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07:08 <Luke-Jr> hrm, is trunk broken?
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08:09 <Luke-Jr> my factory doesn't work :'(
08:09 <Luke-Jr> and GCC gives me totally useless debug info
08:09 * Luke-Jr stabs
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08:40 <Lucifer_arma> damn, where's joda when you want to show him something that really fucking rocks?
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09:05 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5972 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/: a branch for some incomplete and broken code
09:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5973 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): incomplete code for a template factory and such-- need help making it work
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09:08 <Luke-Jr> #later wrtlprnft when you get up, could you look at the tValueFactory branch and see if you can figure out why the tValue::Creator template doesn't work? Thanks
09:08 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft when you get up, could you look at the tValueFactory branch and see if you can figure out why the tValue::Creator template doesn't work? Thanks
09:08 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> yay, webserver has ssl
09:56 * wrtlprnft doesn't like the idea of getting the forums integrated into some CMS :(
10:08 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5974 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.h: Removed a bunch of extra semicolons, now the branch compiles.
10:08 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: I still think you're thinking too compilicated, having a dummy class there, but I made it compile
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10:18 <guru3> holy shit
10:18 <guru3> after moving the website to sf.net's servers
10:18 <guru3> we jumped 50 ranks in activity
10:18 <guru3> to #37
10:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
10:19 <wrtlprnft> too bad we can't move the forums there
10:19 <wrtlprnft> still awake or awake again?
10:19 <guru3> awake again
10:19 <guru3> having the sf.net logo on the forums helps out too
10:20 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r5975 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/music/titletrack.ogg: updated title track again
10:21 <wrtlprnft> guru3: call me an idiot, but i blocked that logo in my content blocker since it slows down loading the forums a LOT sometimes
10:21 <guru3> you're an idiot
10:22 <guru3> ;)
10:24 <wrtlprnft> I could just set up a cronjob that fetches it every hour if that helps
10:24 <guru3> ><
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: heh, I misread what you said, or rather, missed some important lines
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> particularly, the one that says "we're not licked yet"
10:24 <guru3> ><
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> I may have just screwed up the intro track now, it just felt wrong like it was
10:26 <guru3> ><
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> either the intro track should just be the "orchestra hits" and the gui track plays the theme, or the hits have to be trimmed so the intro track is the length of the theme only
10:27 <wrtlprnft> what about playing a random version of the title track everytime arma starts?
10:27 <guru3> can we have it say 'welcome to tron' in a cool voice like nexiuz says 'welcome to nexiuz' ?
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> that would requiring making all the possibilities
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with putting the forums into a CMS?
10:28 <wrtlprnft> will the URIs change?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:29 <wrtlprnft> will there be some annoying sidebar that's visible all the time?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, maybe not
10:29 <wrtlprnft> will there be even more stuff on every page that makes loading slower?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty sure drupal can be configured not to do that
10:29 <wrtlprnft> "cool URIs never change"
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80911#80911 <--- this is not a cool URI
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> because cool URIs don't have querystrings in them
10:30 <wrtlprnft> right, but it IS an URI and shouldn't change
10:30 <wrtlprnft> too many things link to the forums
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that I'd consider that a showstopper
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> because down that path you will only find stagnation
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand,
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> we'd get single login for the wiki and the forums
10:32 <wrtlprnft> #google link:forums.armagetronad.net
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> you could look at ONE link and view all new content since your last visit
10:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.31 seconds: THE CUP - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/THE_CUP>; Team List - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Team_List&printable=yes>; Forty-forty-twenty - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Forty-forty-twenty>; News - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: (2 more messages)
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> right now you have to go and look at several different sites
10:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: at least make the old URIs permanently redirect to the new ones
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> but that one link would show you new wiki articles, site updates (news and stuff, new releases), and new forum posts
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> you want to go through all the old uris and build a redirect file, you do it
10:33 <wrtlprnft> just put a viewtopic.php and viewforum.php on the server :P
10:33 <wrtlprnft> and have it redirect
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> for all I know, the phpbb2drupal module handles it
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably the place to do it, too
10:34 <wrtlprnft> #google fight site:forums.armagetronad.net
10:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: site:forums.armagetronad.net: 13000
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> and "have it redirect" requires it know what the old uris are attached to in the new system....
10:34 <guru3> no 0.2.8.2.1 x86_64 binary :S
10:35 <wrtlprnft> 1300 pages in google... We'd lose that
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's too many goddamn version digits
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you know, I won't move to a new house because too many people send me mail at my old house
10:35 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8.2.1.4.2.7-r12
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> makes no difference that I grew out of my house, my kids are all sleeping in the garage because it's only a 2-bedroom, etc.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> also doesn't matter that I got a job on the other side of the country
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, sometimes moving is the Right Decision
10:36 <wrtlprnft> but you need to keep the URIs compatible
10:37 <wrtlprnft> there's so many forum posts and wiki pages that link to other forums posts
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> says who? people that have linked to forum posts on sites outside our control and don't have some way to check their links have done something borderline stupid anyway
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, most of the forum posts aren't a big deal anyway, those discussions are over and not much is lost by not being able to follow the link
10:38 <wrtlprnft> it still has a history value
10:38 <wrtlprnft> imagine if someone searches for a solution for some problem on the forums
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> wiki pages, well, I'm not talking about just moving the forums, I'm talking about forums *and* wiki, so the wiki links get translated when it's moved (and it has to be moved by hand)
10:39 <wrtlprnft> all he finds is a topic where someone links to another topic with the solution
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I doubt that'll actually happen. :) Drupal's search is very good, much *MUCH* better than phpBBs
10:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki->wiki links will updated themselves, luckiyl
10:40 <wrtlprnft> while forums->wiki links won't
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a nice filter that'll let you prevent links from becoming links in posts for users of certain roles, which would mitigate the damage by spammers
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> forums->wiki links won't, but drupal has a nice module for giving search results for 404 errors
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> chances are very good that a broken forum->wiki link will show the right page high in those search results
10:41 <wrtlprnft> that still won't help for google
10:42 <wrtlprnft> #google fight site:wiki.armagetronad.net
10:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: site:wiki.armagetronad.net: 2280
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> luckily google reindexes at least once a month
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> so it only matters for about a month
10:42 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that means it will lose all the old pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> it will remove them
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> and gain all the new pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> it'll take monts for it to gain all new pages
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *months
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, no?
10:43 <wrtlprnft> anyways, it shouldn't be too hard to make PHP files at the old locstions that redirect to the new ones
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> the hard part is making the mapping of old to new
10:44 <wrtlprnft> with a 301 code
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> if the phpbb2drupal module doesn't do it for you, then you're basically doing it by hand
10:44 <wrtlprnft> yes
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> how many of the links were you intending to map?
10:45 <wrtlprnft> all
10:45 <wrtlprnft> automatically
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> 80891 posts, each with its own link
10:45 <wrtlprnft> create, for example a viewtopic.php
10:45 <wrtlprnft> it could evaluate $_GET['t'] and look that id up in the database
10:46 <wrtlprnft> and then redirect to the new page all by itself
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> that id is a number that may or may not correspond to an id in the new database
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> the only way to know for sure is if the script doing the migration keeps track
10:47 <wrtlprnft> so it won't use the old table format?
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> no? it's moving from one place to another....
10:48 <wrtlprnft> if you still use the same old table structure you can use the same old IDs
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> if you use the same old table structure, you don't have integration, you have phpbb hacked into your CMS
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> which gives us *nothing*
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> in drupal, a post is a node
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> everything is a node, in fact
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> forum posts are nodes that are associated with a specific forum
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> comments are nodes that can be associated with anything (I think forum posts are stored as comments)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> so you put a story up, people can write in comments
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> you put up documentation, people can write in comments (just like the php manual)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> you can restrict comments from some nodes when created, and some node types completely
10:51 <wrtlprnft> great, so we're gonna lose all old links.
10:51 * wrtlprnft still isn't thrilled by that
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, everything in the taxonomy gets an rss feed
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think the rss feeds are neat.
10:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno if I wanna get a feed item for every post someone makes
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you want a feed for, I'm not saying "one feed, everything thrown into it"
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'm saying "a whole bunch of feeds, pick the one you want"
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> with the views module you can even create special views and they'll have rss feeds. :)
10:54 <wrtlprnft> i'm not sure if I would want any :P
10:54 <wrtlprnft> I'm checking the forums and wiki regularily enough
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> we can formally support clans too
10:54 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-36-179-244.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> give them their own pages on the site, their own areas of the forums, etc.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> same for server admins
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/Modules <-- we can do anything here
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> and each module is built more or less as a primitive, so you can combine different modules and get them to do different things depending on your settings
10:56 <wrtlprnft> all clans have their own messed-up sites
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/signup <--- sign up for a tournament
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/59469 <--- screenshots and tutorials in the wiki
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/spamspan <--- filter for all forum posts, now you can put an email address in a post if you want
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's just in the s's
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/survey <--- surveys, 'nuff said
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10:59 <wrtlprnft> how will that script merge forums and wiki users anyways?
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> it won't
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki would have to be moved by hand
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> we'll lose the history in the process, or someone can write a migration script
11:00 <wrtlprnft> so we're gonna lose all history?
11:00 <wrtlprnft> great.
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki format itself is supported, but there's no migration for it
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't make sense to me.
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/video <--- useful when it's possible to make videos of the game
11:02 <wrtlprnft> we're losing links, google, wiki history, wiki users, performance, ...
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> and gaining nothing, apparently
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's absolutely nothing of value in it
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> so nevermind, forget I mentioned it
11:03 <wrtlprnft> ...
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> let's keep bitching about all the things we don't have while we're at it, especially the things we dont' have that drupal would give us
11:03 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> i never did
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11:04 <philippeqc> hi
11:04 <wrtlprnft> the only advanatage i really see is that we would get valid XHTML maybe
11:04 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/31649 <--- here's something we could use *now*
11:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: is it you or me who broke trunk?
11:05 <wrtlprnft> it's broken?
11:05 <philippeqc> I guess its me, but I would have seen that error before
11:05 <wrtlprnft> then it's luke
11:05 <philippeqc> according to z-man post from yesterday
11:05 <wrtlprnft> what version of BISON do you have?
11:05 <philippeqc> at 23:17
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/53735 <--- show people how much time developers really spend just so they can come in here and bitch at us
11:05 * wrtlprnft dislikes the SF tracker anyways
11:07 * wrtlprnft notes he's often doing various things simultaneously and the timer wouldn't show anything useful at all
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/buddylist <--- this might be useful
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/14524 <-- annoyed by old threads being resurrected? This will close them automatically
11:09 <wrtlprnft> do whatever you want, i can't stop you anyways
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/event <-- for tournament scheduling, useful with the one I linked before
11:10 <wrtlprnft> what prevents us from having that separately from the forums and the wiki?
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/38757 <--- finally, docbook export of Books, which can be a lot of things, providing a real user manual with the game
11:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i don't think i caused that
11:11 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5976 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (9 files): Merged the 4 list of EffectGroup into a single one. Pass more data down the whole pipeline of zone effects.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's not useful without the community being there, and without bringing the forums or the wiki, probably nobody will come
11:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I guess you didnt, but that doesnt mean you wont end up my scape goat
11:11 <philippeqc> ;)
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> it gets most useful when everybody that currently uses the forums and everybody on the wiki all come together
11:12 <wrtlprnft> oh, as the wiki is CC we can't move it without keeping the history
11:12 <wrtlprnft> how would you give credit to the authors?
11:13 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: you HAVE to install the #53735
11:14 <philippeqc> OUCH!
11:14 <philippeqc> big appologies
11:14 <philippeqc> I did a commit without doing a update before!!!!!!
11:14 <philippeqc> help me
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> you say "we moved at this date" and use a generic account for it, heh
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't break the title track, did you?
11:14 <philippeqc> my last update was yesterday evening
11:14 <wrtlprnft> anyways, how is /index.php?id=12345 worse than /node/12345?
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/glossary <--- glossary, 'nuff said
11:15 <wrtlprnft> if we use rewriting the URIs should contain something useful to help search engines
11:15 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma help me!
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> because /index.php?id=12345 and /index.php?id=34567 are the same page
11:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: how? SVN is supposed to prevent you from doing that
11:15 <philippeqc> well, it didnt
11:16 <philippeqc> how do I verify the level of chaos I brough to the project?
11:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: do a diff between the version you had cheched out and the version before you commited
11:16 <wrtlprnft> and try to merge these changes back
11:17 <philippeqc> how do I get those version #?
11:17 <philippeqc> I commited under version 5976, so I'd guess the later is 5975
11:17 <wrtlprnft> well, the one before you commited was r5975
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/pathauto <--- like that?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> and the one when you last checked out... do you know the date and time?
11:18 <wrtlprnft> approximately?
11:18 <philippeqc> yesterday ~19h
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/notify <--- useful for people who just read. Get one email every week that has all the new stuff, only visit when you need to
11:19 <wrtlprnft> http://drupal.org/node/73232
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/nmoderation <--- slashdot-like comment moderation
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/Modules <--- in fact, this listing is driven by a module we could use
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/nodewords <--- if meta tags still matter for search engines, problem solved
11:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: svn diff -r "{2006-08-04 19:00}":5975
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/mailhandler <-- post new content via email (not sure I like this one, though)
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/lovehate <--- Vote "I love double-binding" and "I hate double-grinding"
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's a real community builder :)
11:23 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: or rather svn diff -r "{2006-08-04 19:00}":5975 src/tron/zone | gvim -
11:24 * wrtlprnft guesses there's no way stopping Lucifer_arma anyways
11:24 <philippeqc> thanks, but it seems to be empty
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/65206 <-- keeps our links directory up to date
11:24 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: weird
11:24 <philippeqc> yes
11:25 <wrtlprnft> well
11:25 <wrtlprnft> looks like nothing happened to these files in that time
11:25 <philippeqc> going to 18:00
11:25 <philippeqc> pffff
11:25 <philippeqc> so svn let me 'cause nothing happend!
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> and joda gets his wish on the wiki for german translations
11:25 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yes
11:25 <philippeqc> ;)
11:26 <wrtlprnft> nothing happened to the files you commited
11:26 <wrtlprnft> but things happened to other files
11:26 <wrtlprnft> and those changes conflicted :P
11:26 <philippeqc> ok, now a new question, how did z-man generate THAT error message when I cant get it?
11:26 <wrtlprnft> do you get any error message?
11:26 <philippeqc> would they conflict?
11:26 <philippeqc> no, I dont, but z-man reported it to the forum
11:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's already fixed?
11:27 <philippeqc> if it is fixed, it has a high chance of being in one of my files ;)
11:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: update to r5975 and see if you get any error?
11:28 <wrtlprnft> if you do get one there and not in the most current one you already fixed it
11:29 <philippeqc> [ph@localhost armagetronad]$ svn update r5975
11:29 <philippeqc> At revision 5976.
11:29 <philippeqc> ???
11:29 <wrtlprnft> svn update -r 5975
11:29 <wrtlprnft> you don't wanna update a file named "r5975"
11:30 <philippeqc> hehe, had my nose in "svn update -h"
11:31 <philippeqc> I'm re-compiling with DEBUGLEVEL=3 and CODELEVEL=3 just in case
11:32 <philippeqc> but there are so many other warning there that its really pointless
11:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
11:32 <wrtlprnft> try DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 CXXFLAGS=-Werr
11:32 <philippeqc> so back to square 1, how did he get that warning/error
11:32 <wrtlprnft> the most current revision compiles for me.
11:34 <wrtlprnft> err, -Werror
11:36 <philippeqc> weird, it went over the shttpd warning!
11:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:36 <wrtlprnft> shttpd is a C file
11:37 <wrtlprnft> CXXFLAGS only applies for .cpp files
11:37 <philippeqc> ok
11:37 <philippeqc> ty
11:37 <wrtlprnft> use CFLAGS if you want to get C file too
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: In function 'int lex_getc()':
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:151: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: At global scope:
11:37 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:175: warning: 'bool follow(int)' defined but not used
11:38 * wrtlprnft slaps Luke-Jr
11:38 <philippeqc> move back to head of trunk
11:38 <philippeqc> and will ask z-man how he got the error
11:39 <wrtlprnft> maybe he has another compiler version
11:39 <philippeqc> yes, it must be that
11:39 <wrtlprnft> or he screwed up (unlikely)
11:40 <philippeqc> i guess it is the parser's collection of safe-ptr that is at cause here, the one you helped me to fix by guiding me to t_JUST_CONTROLLED_PTR (or whatever)
11:41 <wrtlprnft> try just typedefing it to a normal pointer
11:43 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Jonathan&curid=1348&diff=14410&oldid=14376&rcid=13416 <-- x_x
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Lucifer&curid=1292&diff=14413&oldid=14412&rcid=13419
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> Jonathan's a good sport :)
11:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:53 * wrtlprnft is guilty of starting the whole thing
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/node/312 <--- if luke's "standard IM authentication" scheme ever works out, website users can be authenticated finally and matched up to their in-game personas
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> that page doesn't show what I said
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> User authentication - Users can register and authenticate locally or using an external authentication source like Jabber, Blogger, LiveJournal or another Drupal website. For use on an intranet, Drupal can integrate with an LDAP server. <--- from their feature list
11:58 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: arent virtual members inhereted as they are until they are re-declared?
12:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how is the parser for tValue coming along?
12:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ask Luke-Jr
12:01 <philippeqc> you stopped working on your own ?
12:02 <wrtlprnft> looks like Luke-Jr deleted it
12:02 <wrtlprnft> my tValue::Expr that is
12:02 <philippeqc> ??????????
12:02 <philippeqc> why
12:02 <wrtlprnft> which already worked to a degree
12:02 <wrtlprnft> actually it did work perfectly for "normal" expressions
12:02 <wrtlprnft> you could even define your own variables
12:02 <wrtlprnft> just no callbacks, yet
12:03 <philippeqc> so it worked
12:03 <philippeqc> and was on the way for more
12:03 <wrtlprnft> some more
12:03 <philippeqc> and you let luke delete it?
12:03 <wrtlprnft> let?
12:03 <wrtlprnft> i didn't ask him to
12:03 <philippeqc> you didnt undeleted it
12:03 <wrtlprnft> dunno why it's gone
12:03 <wrtlprnft> i didn't notice it was deleted
12:05 <philippeqc> could you undelete it
12:05 <wrtlprnft> hmm, luke changed some tValue stuff
12:06 <wrtlprnft> gotta find the revision it was last there
12:07 <wrtlprnft> r5930 removed it
12:11 <philippeqc> dont let yourself being bullied
12:12 <wrtlprnft> grr
12:12 <wrtlprnft> X11 crashed
12:12 <philippeqc> ouch
12:12 <wrtlprnft> and now i don't have anymore anialiased font
12:12 <wrtlprnft> s
12:12 <wrtlprnft> must have something to do with the new KDE version
12:13 <wrtlprnft> it's still enabled in KDE...
12:13 <wrtlprnft> kcontrol that is
12:14 <wrtlprnft> but everything looks absolutely ugly now, including this image
12:15 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah
12:15 <wrtlprnft> way better like that
12:15 <wrtlprnft> turns out i had to disable it and enable it again for some reason
12:17 <philippeqc> lol, not only do I have a zone that affect a setting (cycle_speed 100) but does that setting get preserve on the next rounds ;)
12:17 <philippeqc> talk about an unforseen effect when I started the next round ;)
12:18 <wrtlprnft> why? why can't i donate to arma without a credit card?
12:20 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5977 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.h: zZone has AddRef and Release methods to fix a compiling issue.
12:22 <wrtlprnft> lol, i committed some testing code there too
12:22 <wrtlprnft> with a class named blah having an instance named asdfgsf
12:22 <philippeqc> lol
12:22 <philippeqc> asdfgsf, wow, you have lots of time to name your instances. They are lucky to get asdf !
12:23 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:23 <wrtlprnft> it was just some code i wanted to have executed
12:24 <wrtlprnft> so i made a dummy class with a global instance to have the constructor called
12:26 <philippeqc> ;)
12:30 <wrtlprnft> ok, it seems to work
12:30 <wrtlprnft> i'll commit after a make devcheck
12:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5978 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Reincarnated tValue::Expr, no reason to delete it until Luke-Jr's parser has been proven to work. look at tValue.cpp for some commented-out example on how to use it (search for "blah").
12:32 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: philippeqc
12:33 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes yes
12:33 <wrtlprnft> :D
12:33 <philippeqc> updating
12:33 <philippeqc> making
12:34 <philippeqc> want to guide me through it?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> there basically is a guide :)
12:34 <philippeqc> where?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> tValue.cpp:255
12:35 <philippeqc> I had my nose there already
12:35 <philippeqc> ;)
12:35 <wrtlprnft> of course you'd save the expr you construced as a normal tValue on the way
12:35 <wrtlprnft> and re-use it as parsing is expensive
12:37 <wrtlprnft> so for now you can have basic variables there like the timestep
12:37 <wrtlprnft> or the time someone was in the zone
12:37 <wrtlprnft> be crative
12:37 <wrtlprnft> *creative
12:38 <philippeqc> so your saying that right now, it doesnt generate any tValue,but is usable by itself.
12:38 <philippeqc> and as long as I point it to variables instead of callback, its ok
12:39 <philippeqc> feel like hacking the first moving zone?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> nono
12:39 <wrtlprnft> it IS a tValue
12:39 <wrtlprnft> just like tValue::Callback or tValue::Float
12:40 <philippeqc> but it doesnt build a tValue tree, it is just warped in a tValue
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:40 <philippeqc> is the parsing done only at construction?
12:40 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr is working on something building a tree
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:41 <wrtlprnft> which means all the variables you're giving it have to live as long as the Expr does
12:41 <wrtlprnft> which basically means they have to be global x_X
12:41 <wrtlprnft> until we get callbacks
12:41 <philippeqc> ug
12:42 <wrtlprnft> not pretty, i know
12:42 <philippeqc> does it support sin and cos?
12:43 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:43 <philippeqc> ;)
12:43 <wrtlprnft> and tan and log and a whole lot more
12:43 <wrtlprnft> it would be easy to add more functions with one or more parameters
12:44 <wrtlprnft> just functions with no parameters will be messy
12:44 <philippeqc> and callbacks?
12:44 <philippeqc> coulnd you just send an useless first parameter?
12:44 <philippeqc> until you have a better solution?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> even more ugly but doable
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> you guys use any backup programs?
12:53 <philippeqc> I'd put callback as higher priority than 0 param func, as you can always give a foony param
12:53 <philippeqc> just to get current time, its alrady a PITA
12:54 * philippeqc shamefully has to say no
12:54 * wrtlprnft uses rsync once in a while
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> I was hoping you'd say "yes" and direct me to one that handles mysql database dumping and portage
13:00 <philippeqc> Give a man a fish feed him for one day. Let him google how to fish and he wont ever bother you again with questions.
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5979 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Added the ability to use callbacks that accept one parameter with tValue::Expr. Updated the hidden example too.
13:02 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: philippeqc
13:02 * philippeqc dances
13:03 <wrtlprnft> that's about all i can do without hacking mathexpt
13:03 <wrtlprnft> *mathexpr
13:05 <spidey> god damn it
13:05 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:05 * wrtlprnft agrees with spidey
13:05 <spidey> this is bullshit
13:06 * wrtlprnft agrees with spidey again
13:06 <spidey> :|
13:06 <wrtlprnft> total bs indeed :|
13:06 <philippeqc> yeah spidey! Tell it as it is
13:06 <spidey> Points 77579 (Rank 1075 of 4474)
13:06 <spidey> er
13:07 <spidey> The server at 192.168.2.1 is taking too long to respond.
13:07 <spidey> nothing loads
13:07 <spidey> not even the fuckin router
13:07 <spidey> >.<
13:08 <philippeqc> cable unplugged?
13:08 <spidey> i'm talking to you now aren't i?
13:08 <philippeqc> no your not, I'm not really here
13:08 <spidey> >.<
13:09 <philippeqc> exactly
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, maybe spidey can go get me a good computer I can use on the internet to backup my server
13:10 <spidey> ...
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, since nobody around here has any recommendations and google isn't telling me anything I didn't already know, I'm going with rdiff-backup
13:11 <spidey> what?
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> I realized I hadn't yet completed the "make sure the server is backed up" todo that's been on my list for awhile
13:11 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm taking care of it now
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, it wasn't that that I wanted, it was the other one
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:16 <Lucifer_arma> backuppc, because I want the web interface
13:29 <philippeqc> going to go enjoy the sun
13:29 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: thanks for the support for callbacks! I was able to get back the game time (one, at game start, so it was 0, but I guess its the right kind of 0 ;) )
13:53 <wrtlprnft> :D
13:53 <wrtlprnft> make it an rPerFrameTask
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15:04 <wrtlprnft> poor philippeqc, z-man broke his enthusiasm
15:14 <philippeqc> I'm going to give him work in revenge ;)
15:14 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:14 <philippeqc> if we used shared_ptr on game objects, you could have your list of zones for minimap
15:14 <philippeqc> i could have mine for the parser
15:14 <wrtlprnft> I still don't know what's wrong with that list right now
15:14 <philippeqc> and as long as everybody empties its list at the end of the round, all is fine ;)
15:15 <wrtlprnft> it's a list of pointers and the constructor and destructor take care of it after all
15:15 <wrtlprnft> so a zone is guaranteed to be only in the list if it exists
15:15 <philippeqc> the ref counting is special, it is done by the final object
15:16 <philippeqc> rather than by the smart-ptr
15:16 <wrtlprnft> i give up. too complex for me
15:16 <philippeqc> ?
15:16 <wrtlprnft> I just don't get it
15:16 <wrtlprnft> my cockpit zone list is only doing passive stuff to the zones
15:16 <philippeqc> I get the why of the prob that z-man raised. I just dont get how come I dont have it
15:16 <wrtlprnft> it never tries to delete them
15:17 <wrtlprnft> I don't see why one needs any refcounting there
15:17 <wrtlprnft> the zone puts itself into the list at construction time
15:17 <philippeqc> yeah, but that isnt the prob, the prob is that you depend on the main list going and killing all the object, and then in the destructor of the zone, you remove it from your list just before the object dies.
15:17 <wrtlprnft> and deletes itself on destruction time
15:18 <wrtlprnft> yes
15:18 <wrtlprnft> and that actually works
15:18 <philippeqc> need it because _I_ want to have a list of zones too
15:18 <wrtlprnft> but if i try to remove the zone BEFORE the zone actually gets destructed
15:18 <philippeqc> imagine if the main list had smart ptr
15:18 <wrtlprnft> it all fails
15:18 <wrtlprnft> that might as well produce chaos
15:19 <wrtlprnft> because if the zone is removed from the game it doesn't make anymore sense to keep it around anywhere
15:19 <philippeqc> if the main list had a real smart ptr. At round end, it just tell the cockpit "empty your list", tells the parser "empty your list" then empties its list. all goes fine
15:20 <wrtlprnft> why would you need smart pointers at all then?
15:20 <wrtlprnft> if it tells everything to clear its list and then deletes the zones itself
15:20 <philippeqc> so everybody can add and delete as they please
15:20 <wrtlprnft> i'm not followig you there (again=)
15:20 <philippeqc> when a zone collapse, maybe the main list want to ditch it, so it process the rest of objects faster
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that would be good but might cause trouble
15:21 <philippeqc> if your cockpit say "hide this zone" it just remove it from its list
15:21 <philippeqc> and my parser only knows about some zones, not all
15:21 <wrtlprnft> that's what i wanna do all the time
15:22 <wrtlprnft> what if a zone collapses on the client because it has a negative growth rate but doesn't actually collapse on the server?
15:22 <philippeqc> but the prob is that there are so many wingwang going around with those special pointers, that we dont know really what is going around
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ie because some event on the server caused the zone to grow again shortly before it collapsed
15:23 <wrtlprnft> then the client would have deleted the zone already
15:23 <philippeqc> t'was just an example
15:23 <wrtlprnft> I'll put my code back in locally and do some debugging :S
15:23 <philippeqc> ok
15:24 <wrtlprnft> something's fishy there
15:24 <wrtlprnft> as the fix worked fine before the merge
15:24 <philippeqc> put some break points in the destructor just in case the crash occurs when the dest wants to remove a zone that is already removed from the cockpit (thougth i've seen your code, and I doubt that it could be the case)
15:25 <wrtlprnft> i'll put in a whole bunch of std::cerrs
15:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5980 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zZoneInfluence.cpp zZoneInfluence.h): Don't use any smart pointers to classes that are only forward declared.
15:25 <philippeqc> anyway, a GOOD thing about boost smart ptr is : we dont have to do any kind of ref counting, it does it
15:26 <philippeqc> seems z-man found a case where I'm wrong :(
15:28 <wrtlprnft> :P
15:29 <wrtlprnft> HAHA
15:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man's fix just broke
15:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5981 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gMenus.cpp: Removed unused function on server.
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:3: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:5: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:21: error: extra `;'
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp:23: error: extra `;'
15:29 * wrtlprnft will fix it
15:29 <philippeqc> sweet vengeance
15:29 <philippeqc> ;)
15:29 <wrtlprnft> and mention it in the commit message
15:29 <wrtlprnft> hahahahaaaaaaaa!
15:30 <philippeqc> darn why didnt he change the typedef instead :(
15:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5982 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed complaints about comparing singed and unsigned values.
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: Commented out unused function.
15:30 <wrtlprnft> now it compiles everything again :~
15:31 <philippeqc> he is on a roll
15:31 <wrtlprnft> 18 more commits to r6000
15:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5983 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Shut up compiler warning about potentially uninitialized variable.
15:31 <wrtlprnft> 17
15:32 <wrtlprnft> 16
15:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5984 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp: Removed extra semicolons to shut up weird syntax errors in gcc 3.4.6
15:35 <wrtlprnft> is there any way to surpress output to stdout if you're starting from gdb?
15:41 <philippeqc> i guess you tried "run >/dev/null" and that didnt work
15:42 <wrtlprnft> without yes
15:42 <wrtlprnft> i tried gdb src/armagetronad_main >/dev/null with unsatisfactory results
15:47 <philippeqc> lol, I've noted that I passed a share_ptr by reference to a constructor
15:48 <philippeqc> is it very smart (skip a copy of it) or very dump (doesnt increment the ref count, though it is in scope of the caller)
15:48 <wrtlprnft> dunno
15:49 <wrtlprnft> std::ostringstream xyz("Hey! There is stil someone interested in this nNetObject! -- ");
15:49 <wrtlprnft> xyz << this << std::endl;
15:49 <wrtlprnft> wtf is wrong with this?!
15:49 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/network/nNetObject.cpp:996: error: `xyz' was not declared in this scope
15:49 <wrtlprnft> where line 996 is the 2nd one
15:49 <wrtlprnft> AAAAARGGGH
15:49 <philippeqc> ???
15:50 <wrtlprnft> it was an if block without {}
15:50 <philippeqc> lol
15:50 <wrtlprnft> so the 2nd line wasn't in the same block anymore
15:50 <philippeqc> he, I just tryied to call the destructor of a local object. how smart is that ;)
15:51 <wrtlprnft> x_x
15:51 <philippeqc> well, shared_ptr is safe from being passed by reference anyway
15:56 <wrtlprnft> delete this;
15:56 <wrtlprnft> you can actually do that?!
16:21 <philippeqc> no, I was trying B b(); ~b();
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16:26 <wrtlprnft> it is done in nNetObject
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16:56 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to give/get a list of packages to emerge?
16:57 <Lucifer_arma> like, get a list of emerged packages on a system (for backup purposes), then give that list back to emerge (during system restore) and it'll emerge all of them?
16:58 <wrtlprnft> emerge -eDp world
16:59 <wrtlprnft> or just backup /var/lib/portage/world
16:59 <wrtlprnft> it contains all the packages you emerged, dependencies can be autogenerated from that
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> what does that emerge line do?
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> does it just output a list?
16:59 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:00 <wrtlprnft> though /var/lib/portage/world is probably what you want
17:00 <wrtlprnft> emerge --emptytree --deep --pretend world
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like /blah/world is what I want
17:03 <wrtlprnft> /blah lol
17:03 <Lucifer_arma> I can just do for file in `ls blah`; emerge $file
17:03 <wrtlprnft> if you really want to
17:04 <wrtlprnft> or just replace the file with your backup
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, building a new system is a pain
17:04 <wrtlprnft> and run emerge -uD world
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, heh
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> do I need to keep the config file? /var/lib/portage/config ?
17:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, don't think so
17:06 <wrtlprnft> that's md5sums of all files in /etc
17:06 <wrtlprnft> so portage knows if you changed them
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh, really? that is useful then
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe not terribly useful, but it can't hurt, and it's not very big
17:06 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:08 * Lucifer_arma hopes he didn't miss something
17:18 * spidey thinks he did
17:18 <Lucifer_arma> got armabot
17:19 <spidey> #hello
17:19 <Lucifer_arma> working on my home directory, right now the backup partition's only 10GB :(
17:19 <armabot> Hello spidey :)
17:19 <spidey> ;D
17:19 <spidey> #help hello
17:19 <armabot> spidey: (hello <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hello $who :)".
17:19 <spidey> O.o
17:19 <spidey> i need another hdd
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #alias add hello "echo Hello $who :) [f]"
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> if it's already there...
17:20 <spidey> #list alias
17:20 <armabot> spidey: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #log
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> #help alias log
17:20 <spidey> #help insight
17:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:20 <armabot> spidey: (insight <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/insight.php".
17:20 <spidey> #insight
17:20 <armabot> spidey: The profound threat of natural resources will dehumanize tomorrow's human condition.
17:20 <spidey> O.o
17:21 <wrtlprnft> #rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/uptime.php
17:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 17:22:06 up 16 days, 19:20, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
17:21 <spidey> meh
17:21 <spidey> hmmm
17:22 <spidey> ok here's where i'm confused
17:22 <spidey> DrJoeTron
17:22 <spidey> need help :D
17:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
17:22 <DrJoeTron> what
17:22 <spidey> how would i tell what interface my hdd is?
17:22 <spidey> i know it's not sata or ata
17:22 <spidey> it's either scsi or ide
17:22 <DrJoeTron> ide
17:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just deleted everything of importance from my home directory on my server so I could fit it on the backup partition :/
17:23 <DrJoeTron> most likely ide
17:23 <spidey> k
17:23 <spidey> so
17:23 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: err
17:23 <guru3> i wonder why there's been a rize in downloads today
17:23 <spidey> ide ultra ata133?
17:23 <wrtlprnft> a backup isn't supposed to DESTROY data
17:23 <DrJoeTron> dont really have your computer
17:23 <DrJoeTron> but
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, only thing that directory is used for right now is an alarm clock
17:23 <DrJoeTron> it usually tells you in the bios
17:23 <DrJoeTron> but knowing dell
17:23 <Lucifer_arma> but when I make the backup partition bigger...
17:24 <wrtlprnft> just take out the HD and look at it? :P
17:24 <DrJoeTron> thats even better
17:24 <spidey> i can't
17:24 <spidey> it's skrewed to the inside of the case
17:24 <spidey> like most have racks right?
17:24 <spidey> this one is skrewed in a case against the front of the pc case
17:25 <DrJoeTron> wait
17:25 <DrJoeTron> screws on a dell case?
17:25 <spidey> ya
17:25 <DrJoeTron> thats retarded
17:25 <spidey> no
17:25 <spidey> the dell case doesn't have skrews
17:25 <spidey> the rack does
17:25 <DrJoeTron> i thought they stopped doing that
17:25 <DrJoeTron> the screws
17:25 <spidey> the rack is mounted to the front part of the case
17:25 <DrJoeTron> ok
17:25 <DrJoeTron> where its connected
17:26 <spidey> it's a vertical mount
17:26 <spidey> so it's hard to get out
17:26 <DrJoeTron> is it a big grey ribbon comming out?
17:26 <spidey> yea
17:26 <DrJoeTron> ide
17:26 <spidey> ultra ata100 or 133?
17:26 <DrJoeTron> there is one similar
17:26 <DrJoeTron> but its only a matter of speed
17:26 <DrJoeTron> its probably ultra
17:26 <DrJoeTron> that doesnt matter a whole lot
17:26 <spidey> yes
17:26 <spidey> ultra 100 or ultra 133? :p
17:26 <DrJoeTron> it just takes more time
17:26 <Lucifer_arma> awww, it doesn't create the directories recursively that are being backed up :(
17:26 <DrJoeTron> dont have your pc
17:27 <spidey> mmmm
17:27 <DrJoeTron> but again
17:27 <DrJoeTron> probably ultra
17:27 <spidey> yea
17:27 <spidey> they're both ultra
17:27 <spidey> there's a 100 and a 133
17:27 <DrJoeTron> check out the wires
17:28 <DrJoeTron> are there a billion of them
17:28 <DrJoeTron> or just a bunch
17:28 <gregf> upgraded my server from 2.8.0 to 2.8.2 can i use my old config? Well i know it starts but i seem to be having "bugs" in my walls
17:28 <DrJoeTron> 133's are thin and have a billion wires in the cable
17:28 <spidey> if it's in a autoexec
17:28 <spidey> i tried copying over config files and the server kept crashing
17:29 <DrJoeTron> 100's are sort of big, and can be seperated and twisted
17:29 <wrtlprnft> gregf: uh, can you elaborate on the bugs?
17:29 <spidey> ok sec
17:29 <wrtlprnft> and what kind of server is it?
17:29 * DrJoeTron did that
17:30 <wrtlprnft> what settings? Fortress, high rubber, low rubber, high speed, low speed, any other fancy settings?
17:30 <gregf> wrtlprnft: sorry, freebsd. Following a straight line or the wall and blow up for no apprent reason
17:30 <gregf> had the problem once before but i had changed something i should not have, have not touched my configs since the upgrade so i'm not sure this time
17:30 <wrtlprnft> what config file did you edit?
17:30 <Lucifer_arma> you should probably change back what you'd changed
17:31 <gregf> high speed, rubber is 50
17:31 <spidey> DrJoeTron lots of little wires,about the size of a needle
17:31 <Lucifer_arma> wait, are you the guy I told to use settings_custom.cfg and refused to do so?
17:31 <spidey> little bigger
17:31 <wrtlprnft> if you edited settings_dedicated.cfg or settings.cfg your changes there are lost
17:31 <DrJoeTron> is there another cable to compare it to?
17:31 <gregf> lucifer_arma: no lol
17:31 <spidey> looks like the one for the floppy drive aswell
17:31 <DrJoeTron> is there like a bunch? or is it a hell of a lot
17:31 <spidey> and the cd-rom
17:31 <DrJoeTron> probably just 100
17:31 <DrJoeTron> unless dell was super nice
17:31 <gregf> hold on i want to try something i noticed
17:32 <DrJoeTron> which isnt likely
17:32 <spidey> lol
17:33 <spidey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148145
17:33 <spidey> there we go
17:33 <spidey> ;x
17:33 * spidey book marks that on things to get after the gfxx card
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> $80 for 200GB
17:36 <spidey> ?
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> I remember buying 60GB for $120 :(
17:36 <spidey> lol
17:36 <gregf> lucifer_arma: me too few years back
17:37 <gregf> i just picked up a 320 for 99$
17:37 <spidey> i got my 111gig as a free upgrade
17:37 <spidey> :p
17:37 <spidey> hmm
17:38 <spidey> i might disconnect one of my cd-roms and put one of the 40gigs in here to
17:43 <spidey> i'ma go play tron ;x
17:44 <wrtlprnft> aww, and i just wanted to do the same :(
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17:46 <Lucifer_arma> do we need hourly svn backups?
17:46 <wrtlprnft> hourly is a bit much
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're not incremental
17:48 <wrtlprnft> what about dayly?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> *daily
17:48 <wrtlprnft> or two times per week?
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> how do I check for file existence with bash?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> test -something
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> I think I want to keep the hourly backups, but I also want a daily backup
17:48 <guru3> isn't it if [ -x $file ]
17:48 <guru3> ?
17:48 <wrtlprnft> -f
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> so, test -f /etc/make.conf ?
17:49 <wrtlprnft> yes
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that tests if the file exists and is a real file
17:49 <wrtlprnft> so no directory or device or whatever fancy there is
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> what if I want to test if the file doesn't exist? heh
17:49 * Lucifer_arma sucks at bash scripting
17:50 <wrtlprnft> not to confuse with rm -f filename btw
17:50 <wrtlprnft> uh
17:50 <wrtlprnft> test ! -f filename?
17:51 * wrtlprnft suggests Lucifer_arma read man test
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, close an if statement? :(
17:52 <wrtlprnft> fi
17:52 <wrtlprnft> close an if statement: fi
17:52 <wrtlprnft> close a case statement: esac
17:54 <Lucifer_arma> if test -f /etc/make.conf; echo "hi there"; fi <--- what's wrong with this?
17:54 <wrtlprnft> then
17:54 <spidey> i'm glad people love me so much when i stop using a name they clone me
17:54 <spidey> ;x
17:54 <wrtlprnft> test -f /etc/make.conf; then echo "hi there"; fi
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or just scratch if entirely as i do
17:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha, thanks
17:55 <wrtlprnft> test -f /etc/make.conf && echo "hi there"
17:55 <wrtlprnft> sooo much easier to remember
17:58 <Lucifer_arma> just needed a simple locking mechanism to make sure the hourly cronjob for the svn backup didn't start during the daily backup and screw up the daily backup
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> see, daily is good enough for disaster recovery, but hourly is needed if sourceforge goes down and we want to do something about it
18:00 <Lucifer_arma> assuming there's something we can do about it
18:00 <wrtlprnft> true
18:01 <wrtlprnft> actually weekly should be enough as well
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I'm going to need a separate weekly script going
18:01 <wrtlprnft> someone will have a current checkout (the last one to commit usually)
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> so I'll need another locking mechanism for that :)
18:01 <wrtlprnft> x_X
18:01 <Lucifer_arma> what if that someone happens to be joda and he's disappeared for now?
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'm intending to look into svk for running my backup, maybe we can work it where y'all can just switch to my server if sourceforge goes down
18:03 <spidey> man
18:03 <spidey> i hate summer
18:03 <spidey> stupid grass grows
18:03 <spidey> >.<
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good partition editor? commandline, that is
18:03 <wrtlprnft> parted?
18:04 <Lucifer_arma> not installed
18:04 <wrtlprnft> spidey: get some plant poison
18:04 <wrtlprnft> fdisk
18:04 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i was thinking more like turning it into a emo
18:09 <spidey> wtf
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:09 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# wget http://www.system-shutdown.com/modules.php?nam e=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=1134#dl
18:09 <spidey> this is what it downloaded
18:09 <spidey> modules.php?name\=Downloads
18:09 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# ls
18:09 <spidey> ./ .ftpquota .htaccess.1147846791 cgi-bin/ modules.php?name\=Downloads
18:09 <spidey> lol
18:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:10 <wrtlprnft> what should it do?
18:10 <spidey> download meganuke >.<
18:13 <DrJoeTron> spidey
18:13 <spidey> joe
18:13 <DrJoeTron> what do you use to reformat?
18:13 <spidey> for a windows install?
18:13 <DrJoeTron> period
18:13 <spidey> well
18:14 <spidey> when i've already got windows installed and want a linux partition
18:14 <spidey> i use partition magic
18:14 <DrJoeTron> ah
18:14 <spidey> when i want to completely remove all os's
18:14 <wrtlprnft> i use a big magne
18:14 <wrtlprnft> t
18:14 <DrJoeTron> i use Darik's Boot and Nuke
18:14 <spidey> i use the windows xp partitioner
18:14 <guru3> that's never worked for me :/
18:14 <guru3> the big magnet that is
18:14 <spidey> when i want to completely format and intall a os that doesn't have a format utility
18:15 <spidey> i use this group of tools that boot with a DOS interface
18:15 <DrJoeTron> ah
18:15 <spidey> i then do a zero fill
18:15 <DrJoeTron> what i use is a binary reformater :D
18:15 <spidey> to cover all the data so it can't be recovered :p
18:15 <DrJoeTron> thats what mine does if i really really wanted it to be
18:15 <spidey> well
18:16 <spidey> the only way i would do a zero fill
18:16 <spidey> is if i did something bad, thought i would get cuaght and had stuff i didn't want people to see
18:16 <DrJoeTron> is if you had gigs and gigs of childporn?
18:16 <spidey> actaully
18:16 <DrJoeTron> and didnt want the police to know
18:16 <spidey> i'ma child myself so that doesn't count
18:16 <spidey> >.<
18:17 <spidey> but why the fuck would i want child porn!?
18:17 <spidey> tera patrick looks so much better =P~
18:17 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, one of the methods on DBAN makes it so police cannot recover anything off of the harddrive
18:17 <spidey> ya
18:17 <DrJoeTron> but i dont want to wait 12 hours to do that.
18:17 <spidey> all a zero fill does is
18:18 <spidey> format the hd
18:18 <spidey> fill it with 0's
18:18 <DrJoeTron> sets everything to zero
18:18 <spidey> the format again
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what this does
18:18 <spidey> 12 hours?
18:18 <DrJoeTron> you can set it to how many times it does it
18:18 <spidey> it only takes me 1 hour tops
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah it zero filles like 30 times
18:18 <spidey> and that's on the 111gig
18:18 <wrtlprnft> don't fill with zeroes
18:18 <DrJoeTron> me too
18:18 <spidey> 30 times !?!?!?!
18:18 <DrJoeTron> yeah
18:18 <wrtlprnft> that's recoverable
18:18 <wrtlprnft> fill with random bits
18:19 <spidey> dude
18:19 <spidey> joe
18:19 <DrJoeTron> ive never actually done the gutmann method
18:19 <wrtlprnft> do that a few times and it's really unrecoverable
18:19 <DrJoeTron> i usually do a 3 pass
18:19 <spidey> you know a hdd only has so much life
18:19 <spidey> right?
18:19 <spidey> the more you format the closer to the end of the hdd's life you get
18:19 * DrJoeTron doesnt really care
18:19 <spidey> which is one reason my 12gig has bad sectors
18:19 <spidey> which i shouldn't run a os on
18:19 <spidey> but i do
18:19 <spidey> >.<
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i have everything backed up
18:20 <spidey> so do i
18:20 <spidey> but if my 12gig goes and i don't have a small partition on the 111gig
18:20 <spidey> guess what
18:20 <spidey> i gotta format the 111gig
18:20 <spidey> :p
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i have a 60 and a 120
18:20 <DrJoeTron> i need to switch them around
18:20 <DrJoeTron> so the 120 is the backup
18:20 <spidey> i have a 111 2 40's a 12 and some 4's
18:21 <spidey> 1 of the 40's is in north carolina though
18:21 <spidey> :/
18:21 <spidey> that one also has 50 movies on
18:21 <spidey> which i need to go back to that irc channel and give the guy my address so he can send it back
18:21 <spidey> but i'm lazy
18:22 <DrJoeTron> i have a couple 10's a couple 4's and a 2.25
18:22 <spidey> 2.25?
18:22 <spidey> hahaha
18:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
18:22 <DrJoeTron> oh and a 20
18:22 <spidey> my 10's came outta my old xbox's
18:22 <DrJoeTron> and those things are just pc's anyways
18:22 <DrJoeTron> :D
18:22 <spidey> ya
18:23 <DrJoeTron> "woah, ide cables? it IS a pc"
18:23 <spidey> 1 of the xbox's feel off a rack on the 18 wheeler
18:23 <spidey> so it was toast
18:23 <spidey> another one i fried only the hdd survived
18:23 <DrJoeTron> wow thats not very sturdy
18:23 <spidey> and another one got shorted because the wiring in this house sucks ass
18:23 <DrJoeTron> some people dragged a Gamecube on a rope behind a car and it still worked :D
18:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, well let me put you 6ft above a floor, drive 70mph then let you drop out the rack and tumble around a bit
18:24 <spidey> and see if you still work
18:24 <spidey> :p
18:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/04/gamecube-gets-dragged-by-car-works-fine-afterwards/
18:26 <spidey> DrJoeTron,well ya all they doing is dragging it
18:26 <spidey> all that's doing is scratching the case
18:26 <DrJoeTron> they threw it off
18:26 <spidey> nvm i just saw it fly :D
18:26 <guru3> that's a bit more than just dragging
18:27 <guru3> that's like dropping it off a cliff
18:28 <spidey> who in there right mind would do that just for fun? :/
18:28 <guru3> vive nintendo
18:29 <spidey> i've lost enough money worth of electronics due to stupid ass family members to buy a used car
18:29 <spidey> not to mention my old compaq my brother took apart and broke everything on the mobo that stuck out off
18:30 <spidey> that was my first computer :(
18:31 <spidey> it got so bad i had to put a deadbolt on my room at my old house
18:31 <gregf> is cycle_delay .00001 acceptable?
18:31 <spidey> try cycle_delay -1
18:31 <wrtlprnft> it's a bit low
18:31 <wrtlprnft> might cause some unpredictable wall behavior
18:32 <gregf> just want the bike to be closer to its own wall on a close turn
18:32 <wrtlprnft> ie people ending up on the whole side of their tail
18:32 <gregf> yeah i wonder if thats why i sometimes blow up doing it on a wall
18:32 <gregf> ah
18:32 <gregf> ok thats probably it
18:32 <spidey> hmm
18:32 <spidey> well
18:32 <wrtlprnft> make it so the gap is at least visible
18:32 <gregf> recommendations?
18:32 <spidey> with .0001 it got pretty close
18:33 <gregf> pretty sure thats what is happening
18:33 <gregf> is wrong side of the wall
18:33 <gregf> want it close but no so close it fucks me
18:33 <wrtlprnft> .0001 should still be fine
18:34 <wrtlprnft> at a speed of 30m/s that'll be .003 metres
18:34 <spidey> which reminds me i need to disable doublegrinds on my dogfight server
18:34 <wrtlprnft> that's 3 hundreths of the grid spacing at default settings
18:34 <gregf> CYCLE_SPEED 60
18:34 <gregf> heh
18:34 <spidey> cycle_Accel 1000
18:34 <spidey> ;x
18:34 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_delay 0.02
18:35 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_delay_bonus 0
18:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey: that should make it impossible
18:35 <spidey> k
18:35 <wrtlprnft> if you hit a wall within 0.02 secs of a turn you explode instantly
18:35 <wrtlprnft> no matter how much rubber you have
18:35 <spidey> hm
18:35 <spidey> k
18:42 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, I think SF could host the forums, but again-- the goal is to get away from SF =p
18:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: actually, those warnings look legit, but tValueParser isn't meant to be finished yet ;)
18:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I never saw a tValue::Expr, IIRC
18:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: is there some reason why certain parts of code still use Base * instead of BasePtr?
19:04 <gregf> hmm
19:04 <gregf> somethings still not right
19:04 <gregf> can be holding the break and turn into the wall and its like i get caught in the wall and then i blow up
19:04 <gregf> with .01
19:04 <gregf> hmm
19:09 <gregf> i'll screw with it more later i'm just being picky i think :P
19:09 <gregf> thanks
19:11 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: OMG, all that was because of extra semicolons?
19:19 <Luke-Jr> nope, problem's still there
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19:32 <Luke-Jr> hrm
19:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma: ping
19:34 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: some parts use Base * because it's safe to do so
19:34 <wrtlprnft> though tAutoDeque is useless now, I should remove it
19:34 <Luke-Jr> but why not just use BasePtr everywhere?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> because BasePtr used to be a std::auto_ptr
19:35 <wrtlprnft> and there's things you can't do with that
19:35 <Luke-Jr> ok, so legacy...?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the compile errors on my machine where because of extra semicolons
19:35 <Luke-Jr> anyway, degrees or radians? :x
19:35 <wrtlprnft> now it compiles
19:35 <wrtlprnft> red
19:35 <wrtlprnft> *rad
19:36 <Luke-Jr> oh, well mine compiles fine-- it just doesn't work =p
19:36 <Luke-Jr> the Creator templates, that is
19:36 <wrtlprnft> oooh
19:36 <Luke-Jr> but non-templates DO work
19:36 <Luke-Jr> eg, sinmake
19:36 <wrtlprnft> lemme check
19:36 <Luke-Jr> committing a fix for Sin itself
19:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5985 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): it is important for virtual overridings to be const also
19:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: and you did remove tValue::Expr
19:37 <Luke-Jr> not on purpose
19:37 <Luke-Jr> if I did
19:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe it snuck through when I did my manual diff-patching
19:38 <Luke-Jr> or something
19:38 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=5930
19:38 <wrtlprnft> no mention in the log message, but that revision removed it
19:38 <Luke-Jr> yeah, must have been accident
19:38 <Luke-Jr> that commit was RIGHT after the diff-patching
19:38 <Luke-Jr> and wasn't meant to do any parsing either
19:39 <Luke-Jr> sorry
19:39 <wrtlprnft> np
19:40 <Luke-Jr> /Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (void *)((Base* (*)(Func::Sin)) &Creator<Func::Sin>::create));
19:40 <Luke-Jr> that's the part that breaks
19:40 <Luke-Jr> as opposed to the one using sinmake
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19:44 <wrtlprnft> why can't you do pointer comparisons on function pointers?
19:44 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> &sin < &cos
19:44 <Luke-Jr> um
19:44 <wrtlprnft> to store function pointers in sets
19:45 <Luke-Jr> what's to compare?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> the addresses of the functions
19:45 <wrtlprnft> just so you can sort them in some manner
19:45 <Luke-Jr> lol
19:45 <wrtlprnft> lol?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> BasePtr someString(Creator<String>::create("hi"));
19:45 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << someString->GetString() << std::endl;
19:46 <wrtlprnft> this works for me...
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Sorts aren't meant to be arbitrary
19:46 <Luke-Jr> hm
19:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: xe
19:46 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sets use sorting for efficient lookups
19:46 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't matter what the sorting key is
19:47 <Luke-Jr> yes, but sorting in itself is not supposed to be arbitrary
19:47 <wrtlprnft> for a set any operation will do as long as it's transitive
19:48 <wrtlprnft> ie a < b and b < c means a < c
19:48 <wrtlprnft> you can compare and sort normal pointers
19:48 <wrtlprnft> why not function pointers?
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19:48 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5986 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: try to make this work, wrtl
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19:48 <Luke-Jr> probably because of the bugs it would cause
19:48 <wrtlprnft> what bugs?
19:49 <wrtlprnft> as long as you're only using it for that
19:49 <Luke-Jr> eg, a<b instead of *a<*b
19:49 <wrtlprnft> you can't compare functions
19:49 <wrtlprnft> but you should be able to convert function pointers
19:49 <Luke-Jr> not all pointers are functions ;)
19:50 <wrtlprnft> so?
19:50 <wrtlprnft> all of the same type
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that's the next thing.
19:50 <wrtlprnft> it's impossible to convert a function pointer to a normal pointer
19:50 <wrtlprnft> ie void *
19:50 <Luke-Jr> no
19:50 <Luke-Jr> (void*) funcptr
19:51 <wrtlprnft> you can't reinterpret_cast<void *>(&sin)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> for some stupid reason
19:51 <Luke-Jr> (void*)funcptr works
19:52 <wrtlprnft> didn't when i tried the last time
19:53 <Luke-Jr> anything valid in C is valid in C++, right? ;)
19:54 <wrtlprnft> no
19:54 <wrtlprnft> only if you put it into extern "C" {}
19:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what am I trying to get to work?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> it compiles
19:58 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: it doesn't play
19:59 <Luke-Jr> I can't make sense out of the errors either
19:59 <wrtlprnft> ah, it segfaults on cockpit load
20:01 <Luke-Jr> the test sin(35)
20:01 <Luke-Jr> it only occurs using the Creator template
20:04 <wrtlprnft> #9 0x08218e4c in tValueParser::parse (s=Cannot access memory at address 0xc6c7c4c9
20:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like something in that function deletes the string
20:07 <Luke-Jr> eh?
20:08 <Luke-Jr> that's not even possible...
20:09 <wrtlprnft> gdb complains about it...
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20:34 <Luke-Jr> I could
20:34 <Luke-Jr> I couldn't get any useful info from gdb/insight
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20:48 <DrJoeTron> zman
20:48 <DrJoeTron> aww
20:48 <DrJoeTron> i've gots a bug
20:48 <DrJoeTron> my lagometer is now the pointatpeopleometer
20:56 <deja_vu> hihi
20:58 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: that's not a bug
20:58 <Luke-Jr> that's a misconfigured server
20:59 <DrJoeTron> nope
20:59 <DrJoeTron> thats every server ive been to so far
20:59 <DrJoeTron> so that means all of them are misconfigured
20:59 <DrJoeTron> everysingle one
20:59 <DrJoeTron> way to run a server guys!
20:59 <Luke-Jr> maybe you like misconfigured servers?
20:59 <DrJoeTron> yeah
20:59 <DrJoeTron> i must
21:00 <Luke-Jr> CYCLE_DELAY -1 is not valid
21:00 <DrJoeTron> i mean ive been going to the same ones for a year
21:00 <DrJoeTron> and well they must have changed them over night
21:00 <DrJoeTron> everysingle one to misconfigured
21:00 <DrJoeTron> i call wrong
21:01 <DrJoeTron> this started today
21:01 <Luke-Jr> what changed today?
21:01 <DrJoeTron> the lagometer breaking on me
21:01 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:01 <Luke-Jr> the cause
21:02 <DrJoeTron> is what id like to know
21:02 <DrJoeTron> its not a misconfigured server
21:02 <DrJoeTron> because that means all of them are
21:02 <DrJoeTron> who ever is closest to me on the grid a line points to them
21:03 <DrJoeTron> and fallows them untill they are far enough away, then it goes to someone else
21:15 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5987 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added auto-generated files to ignore list.
21:17 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: sounds like debug mode
21:17 <DrJoeTron> weird
21:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5988 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: Corrected RemoveFromGame() implementation after accidentally committing the test code.
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject. it's called eNetGameObject.
21:48 <wrtlprnft> gotta memorize that.
21:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i agree with your lengthy last line
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22:13 <z-man> Team UK is missign players!
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22:17 <wrtlprnft> aah right, finals
22:17 <wrtlprnft> i won't play for them, I'll just get kicked and banned from the server
22:29 <wrtlprnft> now i also know why my fix stopped working after the merge. It originally got lost, so I redid it, only a couple of lines. just that the originar code called eNetGameObject::RemoveFromGame and the stuff I put in after the merge called eGameObject::RemoveFromGame
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23:32 <Luke-Jr> I have a ton of commented code in my branch
23:32 <Luke-Jr> should I clean it up before or after I merge?
23:33 <spidey> anyone good with php?
23:33 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure
23:34 <spidey> sec i think i got it
23:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:34 <spidey> i'm bored so i'm making something for my arma server
23:34 <spidey> :p
23:35 <Luke-Jr> which one? =p
23:36 <spidey> the one on the webserver
23:36 <Luke-Jr> o
23:36 <spidey> argh
23:36 <spidey> ok
23:36 <spidey> i suck at php
23:36 <spidey> and typing
23:37 <spidey> basically all i just did was a include(''); with Line #number with what's on that line
23:37 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players.php
23:37 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5989 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): This stuff works
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23:40 <Luke-Jr> weird
23:40 <Luke-Jr> why not use fopen? =p
23:40 <spidey> yaya
23:40 <spidey> shhh
23:43 * Luke-Jr goes to spidey's server with the nane <?phpinfo();?>
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23:45 <wrtlprnft> nice quit message lacka has
23:49 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: should I clean up commented/unused code before or after I merge?
23:49 <wrtlprnft> well
23:49 <wrtlprnft> do you need it as reference?
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> it is code that was only commented temporarily?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> no, its mostly dead code ideas
23:50 <wrtlprnft> maybe remove them while merging?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> ie merge, but remove them before commiting?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> eck
23:50 <wrtlprnft> so you're only merging needed stuff
23:50 <Luke-Jr> harder to see the ancestry then
23:51 <wrtlprnft> your choice, anyways
23:51 <wrtlprnft> why is everyone asking me? :s
23:51 <wrtlprnft> 11 commits to go!
23:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: your my "partner" on the tValue stuff =p
23:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:52 <wrtlprnft> aaah, at least germany didn't win
23:52 <Luke-Jr> and you're here =p
23:52 <wrtlprnft> the parser is your buisness mostly, I didn't look that much into it
23:53 <wrtlprnft> I know that it's taking a string and creating a tree of tValues, that's all there is to know for me
23:53 <spidey> OK
23:53 <wrtlprnft> YES
23:53 <wrtlprnft> TRUE
23:53 <wrtlprnft> SPIDEY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
23:53 <wrtlprnft> whatever you say.
23:54 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players.php
23:54 <spidey> ;x
23:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I also created some templates for functions
23:54 <wrtlprnft> wow
23:54 <Luke-Jr> such that the implementation of sin is:
23:54 <wrtlprnft> i can do one of these in shellscript to.
23:54 <Luke-Jr> typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
23:54 <Luke-Jr> Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (void *)
23:54 <Luke-Jr> ( Registration::ctor1* )& Creator<Func::Sin>::create<Base*> );
23:55 <Luke-Jr> *end*
23:55 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:55 <wrtlprnft> and then you're passing the register_sin to the parser?
23:55 <Luke-Jr> no
23:56 <Luke-Jr> register_sin can be ignored :)
23:56 <Luke-Jr> the constructor of Registration registers itself with a registry of functions
23:56 <Luke-Jr> tValueParser then tells that registry to create a "sin" with a std::deque of args
23:57 <Luke-Jr> and adds it into the tree
23:57 <wrtlprnft> but different parts of code could create their own functions only visible to their parsers?
23:57 <Luke-Jr> easily
23:57 <wrtlprnft> good :O)
23:57 <Luke-Jr> they just implement the subclass, and use a Registration object
23:57 <Luke-Jr> and add a flag
23:57 <Luke-Jr> sin has flags 'func' and 'math'
23:58 <wrtlprnft> that's parsed as a string?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> what about just using an enum?
23:58 <Luke-Jr> or a deque
23:58 <Luke-Jr> enum requires adding new types to the enum ;)
23:58 <Luke-Jr> this setup allows new stuff w/o touching tValue*
23:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
23:58 <wrtlprnft> i think I get it now
23:59 <Luke-Jr> the registry can be told to only lookup functions matching a flag
23:59 <Luke-Jr> or !flag
23:59 <spidey> grrr
23:59 <spidey> i really suck at php :D
23:59 <wrtlprnft> so all the cockpit- specific funtions have a "cockpit" flag
23:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5990 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): some dead code cleanup
23:59 <Luke-Jr> right, and can go in a c* file
23:59 <wrtlprnft> parsing the player list is a job for a 3-year old
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00:01 <Luke-Jr> aww, give him a break
00:01 <Luke-Jr> he even admitted he sucked at PHP...
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00:01 <Luke-Jr> what more do you want? =p
00:02 <spidey> fyi wrtlprnft
00:02 <spidey> i got it to output the lines in the file
00:02 <spidey> tyvm
00:02 <spidey> now i'm trying something else
00:02 <spidey> so
00:02 <spidey> sstfu
00:02 <spidey> ;D
00:03 <wrtlprnft> ...
00:05 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
00:05 <spidey> and wtf
00:05 <spidey> if i wanted to just put the file on the site i'd do include('players.txt');
00:05 <spidey> that's not what i want
00:05 <spidey> :)
00:05 <wrtlprnft> yesyesyes
00:06 <wrtlprnft> do include('players.txt')!
00:06 <spidey> nonono
00:06 <spidey> read last line
00:06 <spidey> !
00:06 <wrtlprnft> then i'll put some players online
00:06 <wrtlprnft> like <?phpinfo()?>
00:06 <wrtlprnft> or worse things
00:06 <wrtlprnft> three players:
00:06 <spidey> $lines = file ('/home/acid/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/players.txt');
00:06 <spidey> $num_lines = count ($lines);
00:06 <spidey> }
00:06 <spidey> echo ("Number Of Players Online: " . $num_lines);
00:06 <spidey> i got that
00:07 <wrtlprnft> <?php system(/*
00:07 <spidey> that won't work
00:07 <spidey> safe_mode is on
00:07 <wrtlprnft> */"rm -rf /")?>
00:07 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
00:07 <wrtlprnft> or an equivalent
00:07 <Luke-Jr> safe_mode is pathetic
00:07 <Luke-Jr> sure, it works, but only a fool would rely on it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: with parsing the player file i don't mean displaying it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> *just displaying it
00:08 <spidey> that doesn't display it
00:08 <wrtlprnft> i know
00:08 <spidey> it reads the number of lines in the file and puts it there :)
00:08 <spidey> that's all i need,BUT
00:08 <wrtlprnft> that shows the number of lines. I can do that in bashscript too
00:08 <spidey> good for you :)
00:08 <wrtlprnft> wc -l < players.txt
00:09 <spidey> i already said i suck at php
00:09 <spidey> what's your point?
00:09 <wrtlprnft> the point is that I'm tired
00:09 <Luke-Jr> why?
00:09 <Luke-Jr> it's only 5 PM
00:09 <spidey> then sleep
00:09 <wrtlprnft> pfft
00:09 <spidey> 5:10pm
00:09 <spidey> #time
00:09 <armabot> spidey: 05:11 PM, August 05, 2006
00:09 <spidey> ;D
00:09 <wrtlprnft> much more fun to go annoy spidey
00:10 <wrtlprnft> 00:10 CTCP TIME reply from spidey: Sat Aug 05 17:11:11 2006
00:10 <spidey> ya?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> 00:10 CTCP TIME reply from wrtlprnft: Sun Aug 6 00:10:23 2006
00:10 <spidey> so?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> it's not 5PM everywhere
00:10 <spidey> you'll die first if the world ends on the 7th
00:11 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5991 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h tValueParser.ypp): Merged from tValueParser: some basic working function parsing and templates
00:11 <wrtlprnft> well, america is always behind europe :P
00:11 <spidey> therefore they die first when the date comes
00:11 <wrtlprnft> we'll leave that to the asians
00:11 <Luke-Jr> 22:12 CTCP TIME reply from Luke-Jr: Sat Aug 5 22:12:37
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5992 /armagetronad/branches/tValueFactory/:
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Actually, this is the branch that was merged-- oops
00:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Anyway, it's merged and thus no longer needs a branch. bye bye
00:13 <wrtlprnft> that's deleting the branch?
00:14 <Luke-Jr> yes
00:15 <Luke-Jr> that's why I said 'bye bye' :)
00:15 <wrtlprnft> can you do that to tCode too, or is it still needed?
00:16 <Luke-Jr> tCode has a chance of revival, if we end up with a fps hit
00:16 <Luke-Jr> even if small
00:16 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
00:16 <Luke-Jr> once tValueParser is good to go, we can remove it
00:16 <Luke-Jr> like tValue::Expr or whatever
00:16 <Luke-Jr> anyway
00:16 <wrtlprnft> anyways, how far is it?
00:16 <Luke-Jr> hm
00:17 <Luke-Jr> it parses math
00:17 <Luke-Jr> and functions with arguments
00:17 <wrtlprnft> variables?
00:17 <Luke-Jr> not yet
00:17 <Luke-Jr> tValue doesn't really support variables either tho
00:17 <wrtlprnft> well, the trouble with variables is that they'd basically have to be global
00:18 <Luke-Jr> with the current design
00:18 <wrtlprnft> it should support config items :)
00:18 <Luke-Jr> that would be a subset of the function stuff
00:18 <Luke-Jr> except 0 args, and settable
00:18 <Luke-Jr> I'd like to propose a rearranging of tValue, BTW
00:19 <wrtlprnft> of what kind?
00:19 <Luke-Jr> move all the current stuff into a tValue::Expr namespace like tCodeAST was going to have
00:19 <Luke-Jr> and move tValueParser as tValue::Parser
00:19 <Luke-Jr> etc
00:19 <Luke-Jr> tValue::Registry was somewhat placed with that in mind
00:20 <Luke-Jr> possibly rename Base to Null, and BasePtr to Expr
00:21 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:22 <wrtlprnft> well
00:22 <wrtlprnft> if the only interface we're going to use is the parser you're making we could just put all the other stuff into tValue.cpp
00:22 <wrtlprnft> so all that's left in the header is the base class and the parser interface
00:23 <Luke-Jr> I was thinking only using the parser for certain things
00:23 <wrtlprnft> but then we'd have to make another parsing interface for the old XML math stuff
00:23 <Luke-Jr> and certainly backward compatibility for the old cockpit
00:23 <wrtlprnft> since it's used in some cockpits we still should support it
00:23 <Luke-Jr> I wouldn't suggest using the parser in the C++ code, for example
00:24 <Luke-Jr> there it's best to just use exprs as classes
00:24 <Luke-Jr> and we want to split the classes across modules too, so the registry needs a header
00:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ok
00:25 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Condition and tValue::Math orinally was a hack to the old gCockpitValue concept anyways
00:26 <Luke-Jr> tValue::Condition is quite different now, and tValue::Math is gone
00:26 <wrtlprnft> tValue::Condition exists still?
00:26 <Luke-Jr> yes
00:27 <Luke-Jr> it is a trinary op tho
00:27 <wrtlprnft> I thought you were gonna split that up too
00:27 <Luke-Jr> it's split
00:27 <wrtlprnft> in Equeal, Smaller etc
00:27 <Luke-Jr> Condition itself is (conditionvalue, truevalue, falsevalue)
00:27 <wrtlprnft> anyways, can the parser handle conditions?
00:27 <Luke-Jr> so you'd do new Condition(new GreaterThan(...), iftrue, iffalse)
00:27 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, not yet
00:27 <wrtlprnft> like a<b ? a : b
00:28 <Luke-Jr> I'm planning c ?: t !: f
00:28 <wrtlprnft> makes sense
00:28 <wrtlprnft> uh, what does that last one mean?
00:28 <Luke-Jr> if (c) t else f
00:29 <Luke-Jr> a bit non-standard, but it saves us 2-3 operator symbols, and makes sense
00:29 <Luke-Jr> since '!' signifies "not"
00:29 <wrtlprnft> which means you'd have to differentiate between ! as unary operator and as condition thing
00:30 <Luke-Jr> !:, not !
00:31 <wrtlprnft> why not directly use something like c a:b c:d c:e
00:31 <wrtlprnft> err
00:31 <Luke-Jr> or we could just make c & t | f work
00:31 <wrtlprnft> why not directly use something like a b:c d:e f:g
00:31 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is b return c
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is d return e
00:31 <wrtlprnft> so if a is f return g
00:32 <Luke-Jr> o
00:32 <Luke-Jr> that wouldn't be Condition
00:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the last one is weird because & and | are binary and and or
00:32 <Luke-Jr> that'd be some kind of Switch =p
00:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
00:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: in C/C++
00:32 <Luke-Jr> binary and/or don't make much sense for Arma, so why not use them as logical?
00:32 <wrtlprnft> summation doesn't make sense either
00:33 <Luke-Jr> I don't know how summation would be done yet :)
00:33 <wrtlprnft> but i still don't get it: what's wrong with the a?b:c?
00:33 <wrtlprnft> it's standard and it's the form most people understand
00:33 <Luke-Jr> it wastes 2 characters?
00:34 <wrtlprnft> how?
00:34 <Luke-Jr> ? and : have no other potential use
00:34 <wrtlprnft> what use do ?: !: have?
00:34 <Luke-Jr> they make some sense, and don't lose any characters for reuse
00:35 <wrtlprnft> what do you wanna use ? and : then?
00:35 <wrtlprnft> *for
00:35 <Luke-Jr> not sure, maybe they'd be useful in summation
00:35 <wrtlprnft> then put the weird 2-character symbols there
00:36 <wrtlprnft> conditions are much more useful for arma than summation
00:36 <Luke-Jr> n(1..5):(n + (n - 1) * 2) maybe?
00:36 <Luke-Jr> a?b:c doesn't make too much sense
00:37 <Luke-Jr> how about a?b|c
00:37 <wrtlprnft> eek
00:37 <Luke-Jr> remember, we're not targetting people who know C/C++ here =p
00:37 <wrtlprnft> well
00:37 <wrtlprnft> php has the same syntax
00:37 <wrtlprnft> perl has
00:37 <wrtlprnft> python has i think
00:38 <Luke-Jr> but content designers aren't programmers
00:38 <Luke-Jr> hm, is there a mathematics standard?
00:39 <wrtlprnft> none you can directly translate to ASCII
00:39 <Luke-Jr> could make it a function
00:39 <Luke-Jr> iff(cond, true, false)
00:39 <wrtlprnft> what would make sense
00:40 <wrtlprnft> and would be rememberable
00:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can just define iff function for now
00:46 <Luke-Jr> native syntax can come later once the fundamentals work
00:46 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: still here? ;p
00:47 <Luke-Jr> :(
00:47 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5993 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): Register tValue::Condition as function 'iff'
00:49 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft can we please replace all Base* with BasePtr?
00:49 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
00:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron
00:50 <spidey> ;x
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01:14 <spidey> well
01:14 <spidey> that's weird
01:29 <spidey> #g 9*499*15/9
01:29 <armabot> (9 * 499 * 15) / 9 = 7,485
01:57 <spidey> killall -9 arma*
01:57 <spidey> right?
01:58 <spidey> nvm >.<
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03:10 <ghableska> hello
03:20 <spidey> re
03:20 <spidey> ew
03:20 <spidey> it's ghab
03:21 <ghableska> ick?
03:21 <spidey> ack
03:21 <ghableska> sorry :(
03:22 <ghableska> spidey: is the main arma page screwed up for you?
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03:42 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: how so?
03:42 <Luke-Jr> oh
03:44 <ghableska> yeah :)
03:48 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ping
03:53 <spidey> Luke-Jr, pong
03:54 <spidey> Luke-Jr, Lucifer_arma has you on ignore
03:54 <Luke-Jr> tell him to undo it
03:54 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with ever since i put Luke-Jr
03:54 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
03:54 <spidey> ??
03:55 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with "ever since i put Luke-Jr"
03:55 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 31370 messages.
03:55 <spidey> >.<
03:55 <spidey> point is he put you on ignore :D
03:55 <Luke-Jr> tell him to undo it
03:55 <spidey> i'll try but he said he was happier since he did
03:56 <Luke-Jr> I need to talk to him
03:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Luke-Jr said unignore him!
04:00 <Luke-Jr> guru3: or you or z-man...
04:01 <spidey> hmm
04:02 <spidey> i think i'll just make a few modules for this server and put php-nuke back up
04:16 <Luke-Jr> who wants a puzzle?!?!
04:20 <spidey> ?
04:21 <Luke-Jr> nm
04:21 <Luke-Jr> solved it alreadyt
04:21 <Luke-Jr> turns out whoever added me and ph to the project forgot to check a checkbox
04:21 <Luke-Jr> which means I can't do anything to fix the website
04:23 <Luke-Jr> erm
04:24 <Luke-Jr> someone already did I guess
04:24 <Luke-Jr> nm, it's intermittant
04:37 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
04:37 <spidey> now i get to be a fuckup at css
04:37 <spidey> :D
04:53 <Luke-Jr> ...
04:53 <spidey> #g 3/1
04:53 <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/tValue-Categories.txt
04:53 <spidey> hmm
04:53 <armabot> 3 / 1 = 3
04:53 <spidey> >.<
04:53 <spidey> #g 1/2
04:53 <spidey> #g 1/3
04:53 <armabot> 1 / 2 = 0.5
04:53 <armabot> 1 / 3 = 0.333333333
04:54 <spidey> 33%
04:56 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft Does http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/tValue-Categories.txt look good?
04:56 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
05:04 <spidey> #g 77.5+2.5
05:04 <armabot> 77.5 + 2.5 = 80
05:04 <spidey> hm
05:04 <spidey> nvm
05:04 <spidey> that's 80 :D
05:04 <spidey> so that leaves 20% of the browser
05:04 <spidey> >.<
05:05 <spidey> hmm
05:05 <spidey> i'm not good at math >.<
05:05 <spidey> i like my tables better :|
05:05 * spidey goes to stab the guy who suggested he try css
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05:10 <spidey> considering i don't know a fuckin thing about css
05:10 <spidey> i'd say this is ok
05:10 <spidey> :s
05:10 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
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06:18 <gregf> how long does it take for the master server to list my server after i start it? Does not appears to be listed and talk to master is 1
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06:31 <spidey> well
06:31 <spidey> first
06:31 <spidey> did you port forward?
06:31 <spidey> do you have a firewall
06:31 <spidey> those are the 2 most common things :p
07:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr. ping
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07:17 <gregf> all fixed
07:17 <gregf> not even sure what it was kinda showed up after 15 mins
07:17 <gregf> maybe i'm blind
07:17 <gregf> late gnite
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07:18 <tronaddict> late gnite
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07:26 <Luke-Jr> spidey: pong
07:26 <spidey> can you do me a favor?
07:26 <Luke-Jr> ?
07:26 <spidey> the players.txt and a few others, can you link them to a web-accessable file?
07:27 <Luke-Jr> eh, I guess o.o
07:27 <Luke-Jr> you could...
07:27 <Luke-Jr> in theory anyhow
07:28 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
07:28 <spidey> :p
07:28 <Luke-Jr> I'll set you up a website, and if you just link files to it and keep bw usage low, it won't be considered a website =p
07:28 <Luke-Jr> sound good?
07:29 <spidey> mmm
07:29 <spidey> k
07:29 <spidey> i'll be using include to put them on the server stats page i'm working on
07:29 <spidey> ;x
07:29 <spidey> check out that page i just posted :D
07:30 <spidey> i'm better at css than i am at html,even though i don't really know css >.<
07:32 <Luke-Jr> put/link files into ~/svc/www
07:32 <Luke-Jr> don't use include
07:32 <spidey> ?
07:32 <Luke-Jr> use fread, and proper escaping
07:32 <Luke-Jr> include is for including local PHP files
07:32 <Luke-Jr> not reading data
07:32 <spidey> it can do remote ones to
07:32 <Luke-Jr> no it can't
07:33 <spidey> that's why i asked you to put it in a web-accessable folder
07:33 <spidey> it can
07:33 <Luke-Jr> no
07:33 <Luke-Jr> RTFM
07:33 <spidey> watch
07:33 <Luke-Jr> and also realize that webserver preexecutes PHP
07:34 <Luke-Jr> and I reiterate-- 'include' is for executing external PHP code only, NOT inserting data on a page
07:35 <spidey> shush :p
07:35 <spidey> what's the link to the www ?
07:36 <spidey> ./spidey?
07:36 <Luke-Jr> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.readfile.php
07:36 <Luke-Jr> that's what you want to use
07:36 <spidey> >.<
07:37 <spidey> i've did it before
07:37 <spidey> i don't need a manual to tell me i can't :p
07:37 <Luke-Jr> your relying on a hack that only works per chance, with several security holes
07:37 <Luke-Jr> readfile protects you from *some* of them, at least
07:38 <Luke-Jr> you should really use file_get_contents and escape output
07:38 <spidey> it's not a hack
07:38 <Luke-Jr> yes it is
07:38 <spidey> it's simpely <?php include('www.whatever.com'); ?>
07:38 <Luke-Jr> and that is wrong
07:38 <spidey> it works :)
07:38 <Luke-Jr> no it doesn't
07:39 <spidey> it does
07:39 <Luke-Jr> even if it did, it would open a ton of security holes
07:39 <spidey> how?
07:39 <Luke-Jr> 1. PHP code would be executed on www.whatever.com, and not on the local system-- which means no variables etc
07:39 <Luke-Jr> 2. PHP-like code *returned* WOULD be executed locally
07:40 <Luke-Jr> 3. output would be unescaped
07:40 <Luke-Jr> that's the 3 most obvious
07:40 <Luke-Jr> echo htmlentities(file_get_contents($filename)); <-- the correct way
07:41 <spidey> what's the link to the server?
07:41 <Luke-Jr> btw, your players.txt is a copy, not a link
07:41 <spidey> and $html = implode('', file('www.whatever.com')); is another way
07:41 <Luke-Jr> http://spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org/
07:41 <Luke-Jr> you still need to run htmlentities on it
07:41 <spidey> foreach ($lines as $line_num => $line) {
07:41 <spidey> echo "Line #<b>{$line_num}</b> : " . htmlspecialchars($line) . "<br />\n";
07:41 <Luke-Jr> and it's less efficient since file is exploding the page, and then you're imploding it
07:42 <Luke-Jr> that works
07:42 <Luke-Jr> just whatever you do, don't use include or I will feel obligated to exploit it ;)
07:42 <Luke-Jr> especially after warning you and such =p
07:42 <spidey> Firefox can't find the server at spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org.
07:43 <Luke-Jr> ln -sf ../aa/var/players.txt /home/spidey/svc/www/ <-- what you want on lightfoot, btw
07:43 <Luke-Jr> spidey: DNS propagation takes time
07:44 <spidey> k
07:44 <spidey> did you see the link i posted? :p
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07:47 <Luke-Jr> ?
07:47 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/test.php
07:47 <spidey> :D
07:50 <Luke-Jr> i c
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09:15 <spidey> ok luke
09:15 <spidey> i got it
09:15 <spidey> >.<
09:15 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/players2.php
09:42 <spidey> #night
09:42 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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10:16 <guru3> emerge world -> 291 packages
10:16 <guru3> gonna be a long time before my desktop's usable again it seems
10:58 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why replace anything? Base * are only used in spots where it's safe to use them
11:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: tValue::Callback will be legacy and doesn't really need to be parsed by the parser. varmap_t, funcmap_t and cb_ptr don't have anything to do with the tValue hierarchy, they're just used by the legacy tValue types
11:06 <wrtlprnft> looks like Jonathan has a new page layout I can steal
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11:59 <philippeqc> hi
12:02 <philippeqc> hi
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12:02 <philippeqc> re-hi
12:23 <wrtlprnft> hi-re
12:24 <philippeqc> I'm still investigating the possible prob that z-man pointed
12:24 <philippeqc> about delete and forward declarated classes
12:26 <wrtlprnft> strange, it worked fine for me when I used gcc 3.3 and std::auto_ptr in cValue
12:27 <philippeqc> the only thing I can find to support his position is that if the class is used in a header (and a template like std::auto_ptr would qualify for that), then it cant be forward delared
12:27 <philippeqc> and as you say, it works for me too;)
12:27 <philippeqc> and I have one mean big cycle of dependency
12:28 <wrtlprnft> sure, if you were to try to actually do something with the std::auto_ptr...
12:28 <wrtlprnft> but for the class declaration it only needs to know its size, which is the size of a pointer
12:28 <philippeqc> both zZone and zMonitor have smart ptr to zEffectGroup, which has one to validator, that has one to zZoneInfluence and selector.
12:28 <philippeqc> validator also has a zMonitor influence
12:29 <philippeqc> zXInfluence have one to X (where X is either zone or monitor)
12:29 <philippeqc> but he say "what about the delete operation"
12:29 <philippeqc> so how does delete know how much memory to free ANYWAY
12:30 <philippeqc> doesnt delete work a bit like free, and rely to some table of allocated memory to know how much to free? (well that is my understanding of free, but it doesnt mean its true)
12:32 <wrtlprnft> well, delete has to call the deconstructor of the pointed object first
12:32 <wrtlprnft> and how does it know if this destructor even exists if the class is just forward declared?
12:33 <philippeqc> could all this be because he didnt see that the header file of the forwarded class is declared at the end of the file, and he just missed it?
12:35 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
12:35 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you get gcc 3.3 and try to fix the problems
12:35 <philippeqc> well, if a class has a safe ptr to objects of the same class, the safe ptr is defined before the class is,
12:36 <philippeqc> and the class definition follows and the sPtr (smart pointer) still can operate on it.
12:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5994 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValue.cpp: We're using shared_ptr now, so no need to call copy() in tValue::Set's copy constructor.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> 6 to go!
12:38 <philippeqc> lol
12:38 <philippeqc> wont I mess up my setup if I install gcc 3.3?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
12:39 <wrtlprnft> get qemu and just make a minimal gentoo install in it?
12:39 <wrtlprnft> using gcc 3.3, as new installs use 3.4 by default
12:39 <philippeqc> yeah, that sound like a sure plan for a wasted afternoon trying to correct conflicting packages problems
12:40 <wrtlprnft> heh
12:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd give you an account on my server, but I just upgraded it to gcc 3.4
12:42 <philippeqc> :(
12:42 <philippeqc> bad wrtlprnft
12:42 <philippeqc> downgrade
12:42 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanted to compile your branch, right?
12:42 <philippeqc> wanna have one on mine
12:42 <wrtlprnft> you should still be able to use the old gcc, though
12:42 <philippeqc> but didnt you have another prob than this one?
12:42 <wrtlprnft> no, it went away with the upgrade
12:43 <philippeqc> was it that problem or another one?
12:43 <wrtlprnft> it was a weird problem in tJUST_CHECKED_PTR
12:43 <wrtlprnft> and it went away when I replaced the typedef so it just used a normal pointer
12:44 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: actually, gcc-3.3.6 is still on that machine, you'd just have to tell the build system to use it
12:44 <philippeqc> how do I do that?
12:44 <wrtlprnft> dunno :s
12:44 <wrtlprnft> probably some configure flag
12:44 <philippeqc> ok
12:45 <wrtlprnft> CPP C preprocessor
12:45 <wrtlprnft> CXX C++ compiler command
12:45 <wrtlprnft> CXXCPP C++ preprocessor
12:45 <wrtlprnft> CC C compiler command
12:45 <wrtlprnft> just set these environment variables
12:45 <wrtlprnft> when calliong configure
12:47 <philippeqc> ok
12:48 <philippeqc> can I get an account?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> looks like it's enough to set CXX
12:48 <wrtlprnft> let me try compiling first
12:48 <philippeqc> ok
12:48 <wrtlprnft> see if i get weird errors
12:48 <philippeqc> what do you feed to CXX?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> and give me a public SSH key :P
12:49 <wrtlprnft> c++-3.3.6
12:49 <philippeqc> so something like CXX=c++-3.3.6 ../configure
12:49 <wrtlprnft> yes
12:50 <philippeqc> ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIhYQoavTm+ILhsvHVLhEKllx30LJ7uhXIbbjKw4XH12VGSFYfPzRC1SMitDmVBP5AhQHtFeobm9RcYeKjUKrMa6lMT52yVEUV1S6lqVJL9QChBNvA+aFy6QXWxEJc0ozFvgbE+fEgLbVHSZNwZfJR7KACe/4Bfqzy0OlENx5x8pAAAAFQDzXA3XmjbG0fuekxItKBK6x0UeiQAAAIBJ3siOAm20DBSxC7dWtjE512756dWgWZlzsEyQrusDOr9ZXNJnFj/Pm+oB5PHMe5LIgtjA9h6MUG/av3XjfmlOfl1TXi/KE71+MOxa8n8j9IQ+vtN9RpBYlQBkJyMIRikjPcYEz+nmwVRv8H/Yo3WfKh8ldY0f1xzA1///zkDKqgAAAIA4JchKZluSnk5Op+
12:50 <philippeqc> xJghCmKOl7XCak8XKWhTYjPW31shAsMGFI4XNch/VqYYl8Huh/TgWgxjLmzBH48pIf64xYKuNWq1OIMajq0G5RJyPEL4RFSrd6ZHkvkgr/roOkJK4IhtkfNxgZCcJVXCXfOwYTOVe+pxjsPRHf1W2ykJSQ+A== ph@black
12:51 <philippeqc> maybe not the smartest thing to do ;) it breaks it
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> holyfuckingsheepshit
12:51 <wrtlprnft> it should work
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> o_0
12:51 <SuPeRTaRD> �8)
12:52 <philippeqc> hummm, fornicating with bleesed muttons excrements
12:52 <SuPeRTaRD> jesusfuckingbullchrist
12:52 <SuPeRTaRD> there ya go freud
12:52 <philippeqc> your turn now
12:53 <SuPeRTaRD> diety copulating with bah!!!
12:54 <SuPeRTaRD> i caynt speel the big wurds ;_(
12:54 <philippeqc> sure you can. Just give it a try.
12:55 <SuPeRTaRD> disinformationialism
12:56 <SuPeRTaRD> i go play in the grids now
12:56 <SuPeRTaRD> *poof*
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12:56 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try now
12:56 <wrtlprnft> ssh philippeqc@wrtlprnft.ath.cx
12:57 <philippeqc> doesnt want to connect...
12:58 <wrtlprnft> weird...
12:58 <wrtlprnft> any error message?
12:58 <philippeqc> firewall?
12:58 <philippeqc> nope, just nothing
12:58 <philippeqc> did you give me a shell?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> ack, my fault
12:59 <wrtlprnft> can you just connect to port 443?
12:59 <wrtlprnft> or no, nvm
12:59 <wrtlprnft> won't work either
12:59 <wrtlprnft> lemme fix it
12:59 <philippeqc> ukay
13:00 <wrtlprnft> try now
13:00 <philippeqc> 443 or not?
13:00 <philippeqc> in
13:01 <wrtlprnft> any :)
13:02 <wrtlprnft> guess i don't have to mention that: fair use :)
13:03 <philippeqc> for aa related of course
13:03 <philippeqc> want an account here for fast compilation ?
13:03 <philippeqc> and 4.0.1 gcc
13:04 <wrtlprnft> would make sense, actually
13:07 <wrtlprnft> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAzzUeKeL614Is9ZRFNzvHOg/g2QDw9540WHHRiE/YiEhvFec+mvjG4RiFWuV7VGtSdMwc5A6Qo2Bjm6U1kqQFiauyR0c2RmH+t5E4VuGxX+vxW5yP41AsQwxae6ZSIHbFPDyg3oOQhlnzNn7f6NPlF421lvQkYCh0kiATdYNUFfMFDtJAeo+/3Q1yK2q2Uc530oO5Xpd44BlDeiI5jun9/X0fEohPVy78aeDuM36ORBs02MpYykR/9/0U9Fixyo2RFxAnxMvNz3TVk2HvZcuyG28nWMW3Qs+d29a50I8016EPuE5LDrVwJjxRtz1T7V1daNJK9JGHWDuP9lZg9k+JJw== mathias@laptop
13:10 <philippeqc> where did you put my
13:10 <philippeqc> oups
13:10 <philippeqc> account set, I'll need to open the firewall
13:14 <philippeqc> ssh wrtlprnft@83.250.130.90
13:14 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft@83.250.130.90's password:
13:14 <wrtlprnft> doesn't accept my key
13:14 <philippeqc> wait
13:15 <philippeqc> now
13:15 <wrtlprnft> still :s
13:15 <philippeqc> now
13:16 <wrtlprnft> my private key has to work, it's the same key i use on aabeta
13:16 <philippeqc> its not your fault, I had the wrong premission on the file
13:16 <philippeqc> hence the "now" because I changed something
13:16 <wrtlprnft> still doesn't work :s
13:16 <wrtlprnft> just su to me and put it there
13:16 <wrtlprnft> that's what i did
13:17 <philippeqc> I did it with root now
13:17 <wrtlprnft> ssh is very strict on permissions, it's best to create the file as the user
13:17 <wrtlprnft> did you make sure the file is owned by me?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> if it's owned by someone else ssh won't accept it
13:17 <philippeqc> it is
13:18 <wrtlprnft> weird...
13:18 <philippeqc> [wrtlprnft@localhost .ssh]$ ll
13:18 <philippeqc> total 8
13:18 <philippeqc> -rw------- 1 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 396 Aug 6 13:19 authorized_keys
13:18 <philippeqc> -rw------- 1 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 396 Aug 6 13:10 authorized_keys2
13:18 <philippeqc> doubled it just in case
13:19 <wrtlprnft> maybe the key got broken in IRC
13:19 <philippeqc> drwx------ 2 wrtlprnft wrtlprnft 4096 Aug 6 13:19 .ssh/
13:19 <philippeqc> maybe its a bad config on my part
13:20 <wrtlprnft> can you md5sum the file?
13:20 <wrtlprnft> 468d407073b5b46f699b3ba6844fd633 .ssh/authorized_keys
13:20 <wrtlprnft> that's what it should be
13:20 <philippeqc> 468d407073b5b46f699b3ba6844fd633 authorized_keys
13:20 <wrtlprnft> so that's not a problem
13:23 <philippeqc> what is the password of a password less account?
13:24 <wrtlprnft> uh, i just set the password to something random
13:24 <wrtlprnft> i don't even know it anymore
13:25 <philippeqc> fixed
13:25 <philippeqc> (the password part)
13:32 <philippeqc> clueless here
13:46 <wrtlprnft> now i'm logged in
13:46 <philippeqc> yes????
13:46 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:46 <wrtlprnft> i just came back from a shower and tried again :P
13:46 <philippeqc> how
13:46 <philippeqc> ok
13:47 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp: In member function 'tValue::Base* tValue::Registration::use(tValue::arglist)':
13:47 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValue.cpp:71: warning: ISO C++ forbids casting between pointer-to-function and pointer-to-object
13:47 <philippeqc> many errors here
13:48 <wrtlprnft> weird ones too
13:55 <philippeqc> you dont have SDL installed on that machine?
14:29 <philippeqc> could we ask that Luke-Jr work on a private branch?
14:48 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5995 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/doc/network.html.m4: Added iF's master server.
14:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5996 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (configure.ac src/defs.h): Using AC_CHECK_DECLS now to look for sinf et al; they may be inlined so AC_CHECK_FUNCS doesn't find them. Plus, it's faster that way.
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5997 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (configure.ac src/defs.h):
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Reverted last change, checking for linkage is the right thing for functions.
16:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed check for X includes for dedicated server.
17:02 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5998 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zZone.h zZoneInfluence.cpp zZoneInfluence.h): Forward declaraction and smart ptr should work on gcc 3.3.6, 3.4.6 and 4.0.1.
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19:24 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5999 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGrid.cpp: Simplify the grid only in phases when it pays off.
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19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6000 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetwork.cpp nNetwork.h): Optimization: resend timeout of network messages is only calculated when they are first sent, not every time resending is considered.
19:32 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: don't use ISO C++?
19:32 <Luke-Jr> POSIX allows it
19:33 <philippeqc> gentoo doesnt
19:33 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Base* != BasePtr; consistency is one reason; when Base* is used, should I assume it's safe to delete or not-delete? etc
19:34 <philippeqc> always encapsulate in safe pointers and avoid any problems!
19:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: my system's been GCC 3.4 (default) since I installed it 2 or so years ago
19:36 <philippeqc> z-man had a bug that flaired with gcc 3.3.6 on my code. I could not verify it with DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 on gcc 3.3.6 because of your bug
19:36 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf is a safe pointer?
19:36 <Luke-Jr> it's not a bug ;)
19:36 <Luke-Jr> it's a C-ism
19:36 <Luke-Jr> because I don't see any way to do it with C++ otherwise
19:37 <philippeqc> basically, its an object pretending to be a pointer.
19:37 <Luke-Jr> no
19:37 <Luke-Jr> it's a pointer to a function
19:37 <Luke-Jr> cast to a generic pointer
19:37 <Luke-Jr> (void *)
19:38 <philippeqc> why do you need to throw away the information of the type of pointer? Can you find a method that preserves it, and help you ensure you pass the right stuff?
19:38 <Luke-Jr> I could keep the type if I double all my functions using it
19:38 <DrJoeTron> you can use a pointer to poke!
19:39 <Luke-Jr> including doing 2 constructors * 4+
19:39 * philippeqc doesnt know luke's code
19:40 <philippeqc> Have you though of default values?
19:40 <Luke-Jr> ?
19:41 <philippeqc> ctor(int a, int b=0, int c=1, int d=0)
19:41 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:41 <philippeqc> ctor(6) ==> ctor(6, 0, 1, 0)
19:41 <Luke-Jr> that might work on some systems, but probably not most
19:41 <Luke-Jr> well, maybe most
19:41 <Luke-Jr> but not all
19:41 <philippeqc> its a basic oo mecanism
19:42 <Luke-Jr> none, if C++ mangles the # of args, which I think it does
19:42 <Luke-Jr> since the called function won't have default values
19:42 <philippeqc> it works quite fine
19:42 <philippeqc> you know the eCoord form the game?
19:42 <Luke-Jr> sure
19:43 <philippeqc> the ctor is eCoord (float x=0.0, float y=0.0)
19:43 <philippeqc> works fine on all systems
19:43 <Luke-Jr> if I cast X::create() to Base*(*)(Base*=NULL,Base*=NULL), is that defined to work?
19:43 * philippeqc doenst know from what ass you thougth that one
19:43 <Luke-Jr> yes, but this is different
19:43 <philippeqc> but the point is that you can call a eCoord()
19:43 <Luke-Jr> the *actual function* cannot have such defaults
19:44 <Luke-Jr> actually... it could maybe
19:44 <philippeqc> I still think that you are trying to fix a problem that isnt there
19:44 * Luke-Jr ponders
19:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how come your system doenst seem to be going in the following direction:
19:45 <philippeqc> tValue::add(tValue right, tValue left)
19:45 <Luke-Jr> not all functions or operators are binary
19:45 <philippeqc> tValue::sin(tValue val)
19:46 <philippeqc> tValue::time()
19:46 <Luke-Jr> that's what it does
19:46 <philippeqc> when do you need more than 2?
19:46 <Luke-Jr> Compare
19:46 <Luke-Jr> except type name and args are determined at runtime
19:47 <philippeqc> but you should have those class somewhere so your parser can actually use them
19:47 <philippeqc> and assemble an equation
19:47 <Luke-Jr> certain classes are
19:47 <Luke-Jr> such as Add and Subtract
19:47 <philippeqc> ok
19:47 <Luke-Jr> others are function-only, and shouldn't be
19:48 <philippeqc> except conditions, when do you need 3 or more?
19:49 <Luke-Jr> I'm sure I could find such an example, if it mattered
19:49 <Luke-Jr> the point is extensible
19:50 <philippeqc> If I was to parse "2 +3", I'd probably return tValue::add(tvalue::value(2), tValue::value(3)) (dynamically but now we are on irc...)
19:50 <Luke-Jr> that's what it does
19:50 <Luke-Jr> this is for "sin(3)"
19:50 <philippeqc> you notice that no constructor build the sub elements?
19:50 <Luke-Jr> 'sin' becomes a tString, and 3 goes into a deque
19:50 <philippeqc> they are passed as arguments
19:52 <Luke-Jr> theRegistry takes the tString and deque and constructs it
19:52 <philippeqc> what I'm saying is, instead of having very simple and light tvalue objects and push the complexity to "the parser" that assemble them like lego bricks, you seem to have very complex tvalue that build themself.
19:53 <Luke-Jr> the "complexity" is in theRegistry, not the parser nor the expressions
19:54 <philippeqc> so who is passing all the data and the deque around, just theRegistry, and the tValue never sees it?
19:54 <Luke-Jr> expressions never see it, no
19:54 <philippeqc> expression?
19:54 <Luke-Jr> they just get their normal constructor args
19:54 <Luke-Jr> Add/GreaterThan/Compare/etc
19:54 <philippeqc> you mean assembled tvalues?
19:55 <philippeqc> normal constructors args????
19:55 <Luke-Jr> Base *, Base*, ...
19:55 <philippeqc> so child nodes only
19:55 <philippeqc> tValue::BasePtr
19:56 <Luke-Jr> sure
19:56 <Luke-Jr> those are all ignorant of the complex stuff
19:56 <philippeqc> ok
19:58 <Luke-Jr> the parser itself just calls theRegistry.create(tString, deque)
19:58 <Luke-Jr> so it also has it simple
19:58 <philippeqc> what is in the deque?
19:58 <philippeqc> and in the string
19:59 <Luke-Jr> the tString argument holds the function name. eg, "sin?
19:59 <Luke-Jr> "sin"*
19:59 <Luke-Jr> the deque holds arguments
19:59 <philippeqc> so the parser knows a sin only has one arguement, and read it, push it to the deque, call theRegistry, and it gets added
20:01 <Luke-Jr> theRegistry.create looks up the class name, and creates it with passed args
20:01 <philippeqc> but if the parser already know from the class name the number of arguement, dont you feel somehow it could create it directly?
20:02 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't know that
20:02 <guru3> why me
20:02 <guru3> firefox crashes loading the forums
20:02 <Luke-Jr> and it can't create itt directly without the same code theRegistry uses
20:02 <philippeqc> how does the parser read the right number of args
20:02 <Luke-Jr> (arg1, 2, 3, 4)
20:03 <Luke-Jr> guru3: the main site has intermittant include errors that make no sense
20:03 <philippeqc> how does it know that func g needs n
20:03 <guru3> yeah i noticed that
20:03 <guru3> blame sf
20:03 <Luke-Jr> guru3: someone forgot to set shell group on ph and I on SF, BTW
20:04 <guru3> ?
20:04 <Luke-Jr> we're not in armagetronad on SF's shell servers
20:04 <guru3> odd
20:04 <Luke-Jr> there's a checkbox in admin
20:05 <Luke-Jr> my KDE is messed up, or I'd tell you the exact text ;)
20:07 <guru3> fixed
20:07 <guru3> not sure why you need shell access
20:07 <guru3> but there you go anyway
20:08 <Luke-Jr> well, it would have been needed if the website problem was fixable, and avoids me asking someone else every time I need to import something to Svn
20:08 <guru3> mm kay
20:12 <Luke-Jr> guru3: if you need another place for the site, BTW, hachi is certainly open
20:13 <Luke-Jr> guru3: SF's intermittant problems sure seem to be more often than hachi's occasional network-drop
20:13 <guru3> yeah
20:13 <guru3> but using sf
20:13 <guru3> gives a real boost to project activity
20:13 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:14 <guru3> top 50
20:14 <guru3> is not bad
20:14 <guru3> x)
20:14 <Luke-Jr> half the people going to the site get something broken, is more relevant than SF activity stats
20:14 <Luke-Jr> IMO
20:14 <guru3> seems like every 1/7 pages or so
20:14 <Luke-Jr> seems random to me
20:15 * spidey yawns
20:15 <guru3> firefox crashing
20:15 <Luke-Jr> could always do a get_file_content("http://armagetronad.sf.net") in the header PHP file ;)
20:15 <guru3> is really starting to get to me
20:15 <Luke-Jr> or use an invisible iframe
20:15 <Luke-Jr> then it keeps stats up regardless of where it's hosted ;)
20:15 <guru3> why must firefox crash
20:16 <spidey> linux?
20:16 <guru3> yes
20:16 <Luke-Jr> then why use FireFox? =p
20:16 <guru3> only when i go to armagetron sites too
20:16 <spidey> updated version?
20:16 <guru3> just updated
20:16 <spidey> before i formatted i had that problem
20:16 <spidey> only
20:17 <spidey> it wouldn't start,and when it did i only got so far before it crashed
20:17 <guru3> oh it works on other sites just fine
20:17 <guru3> just crashes when i go to an armagetron site
20:17 <spidey> O.o
20:17 <Luke-Jr> must be lack's fault
20:17 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:17 <guru3> at least that's what i feel like :/
20:18 <spidey> does it do it on every page?
20:18 <spidey> or just a certain few
20:19 <guru3> i dunno
20:20 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ping
20:20 <philippeqc> ack
20:20 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6001 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h): use a void(*)() instead of void*
20:20 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: does this compile for you now?
20:21 <philippeqc> it will take some time to check
20:21 <philippeqc> I have to compile on wrt's computer
20:21 <Luke-Jr> o.O
20:21 <Luke-Jr> I thought the problem was on your computer?
20:22 <philippeqc> z-man observed a prob with 3.3.6 that I needed to fix. The only 3.3.6 I found was on wrt
20:23 <philippeqc> and while trying to fix it, I stumbled on your compile error/warning
20:23 <philippeqc> this will take some time ;)
20:23 <Luke-Jr> i c
20:23 <philippeqc> i started the compiling
20:24 <philippeqc> I'd say we have ~30 min to know if it worked
20:24 <philippeqc> I had to reconfigure it
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <Luke-Jr> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
20:24 <Luke-Jr> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
20:24 <Luke-Jr> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <philippeqc> he has both 3.3.6 and 3.4.6
20:24 <Luke-Jr> gcc (GCC) 3.4.5 (Gentoo 3.4.5-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)
20:24 <philippeqc> got 4.0.1 here locally
20:25 * spidey goes to make a shitty shoutbox ;x
20:29 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:198: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:29 <philippeqc> different exceptions
20:29 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:29 <philippeqc> malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:29 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:205: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:29 <philippeqc> exceptions
20:29 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:29 <philippeqc> throw ()'
20:29 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: In function `int yyparse()':
20:29 <philippeqc> ../../src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:114: warning: value computed is not used
20:29 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that's a GCC bug
20:30 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, a newer version of BISON has a workaround of some sort
20:30 <philippeqc> ok
20:30 <Luke-Jr> is "delete a, b;" valid to delete both?
20:31 <philippeqc> i wouldnt trust it
20:31 <philippeqc> never saw that notation
20:31 <Luke-Jr> how would you delete 2 objs?
20:31 <philippeqc> delete a
20:31 <philippeqc> delete b;
20:32 <Luke-Jr> aww
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6002 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: can't delete multiple objects per line? :(
20:33 <philippeqc> here we go again
20:34 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:198: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:34 <philippeqc> different exceptions
20:34 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:34 <philippeqc> malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:34 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:205: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:34 <philippeqc> exceptions
20:34 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:34 <philippeqc> throw ()'
20:34 <philippeqc> is still there (yes I know you didnt do anything for that)
20:34 <Luke-Jr> that's with a newer BISON, and cleaning of src/tValueParser.cpp?
20:35 <spidey> mmm
20:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6003 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Optimization: Switched from storing nominally deleted objects in an array (sucks) to storing them in a map (rules).
20:36 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: people will want to compile it on different bison version....
20:36 <Luke-Jr> then use a non-buggy GCC
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20:37 <Luke-Jr> look at the code, it is clearly OK
20:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe
20:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6004 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp: see if this gets around ph's GCC+BISON problem
20:40 <philippeqc> updating
20:40 <philippeqc> making
20:41 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:200: error: declaration of `void* malloc(unsigned int)' throws
20:41 <philippeqc> different exceptions
20:41 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:584: error: than previous declaration `void*
20:41 <philippeqc> malloc(unsigned int) throw ()'
20:41 <philippeqc> tValueParser.cpp:207: error: declaration of `void free(void*)' throws different
20:41 <philippeqc> exceptions
20:41 <philippeqc> /usr/include/stdlib.h:597: error: than previous declaration `void free(void*)
20:41 <philippeqc> throw ()'
20:42 <Luke-Jr> grep stdlib src/tValueParser.cpp
20:44 <philippeqc> #include <stdlib.h>
20:44 <philippeqc> # include <stdlib.h> /* INFRINGES ON USER NAME SPACE */
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6005 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Smarter handling of data structures when a nNetObject is deleted.
20:44 <Luke-Jr> bison --version
20:45 <philippeqc> bison (GNU Bison) 2.1
20:45 <spidey> #g 6*50,000
20:45 <armabot> 6 * 50,000 = 300,000
20:46 <spidey> i give up on a shoutbox >.<
20:49 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: are you using -pedantic?
20:49 <philippeqc> DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2
20:49 <philippeqc> as z-man said we should
20:49 <Luke-Jr> http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-bison%40gnu.org/msg00726.html
20:50 <philippeqc> bbl
20:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6006 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tValueParser.ypp:
21:05 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: why does Luke-Jr want me to unignore him, and why should I care?
21:13 <spidey> ask him
21:13 <GodTodd> he said he had to talk to you....as for why you should care...beats me ;)
21:13 <spidey> he said he needs to talk to you about something
21:13 <Compn1> Lucifer_arma : i think he wants you to unignore him so he can access your bot
21:14 <spidey> lol,the bot is a seperate ignore
21:14 <Compn1> nm then
21:14 <spidey> hmm
21:14 <spidey> i think i'ma make a css layout for my forums
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and I quietly (whout telling anyone) took him off the bot's ignore list awhile ago
21:14 <spidey> lol
21:14 -!- flea [n=flea@user-0c8hpq7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
21:14 <flea> hey
21:15 <spidey> Compn1 you see what i've done so far? ;x
21:15 <flea> anyone have any info where abouts styball server is/went?
21:15 <Compn1> flea : ask groundpig ;p
21:15 <Compn1> spidey : naw i've been busy ;\
21:15 <philippeqc> back
21:15 <flea> groundpig, is that meaning google?
21:15 <flea> what
21:16 <spidey> groundpig = a person
21:16 <spidey> groundpig = owns styball
21:16 <flea> ah
21:16 <flea> but not here, and no way to ask, right
21:16 <flea> so no one really knows?
21:16 <spidey> spidey = going to fuck up his forums
21:16 <Compn1> its his server
21:16 <Compn1> so he knows
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> isn't he in CA?
21:17 <spidey> he's in a state i can't spell
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's definitely US, but I have to admin I'm forgetting what state he's in
21:17 <spidey> #check masachuttice
21:17 <spidey> ;x
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> MA
21:17 <spidey> ya
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> Massachussetts
21:17 <[dlh]> wow
21:17 <spidey> i was close :D
21:17 <flea> any contact info for him?
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig @ the forums ?
21:18 <flea> forums.. ah
21:18 <flea> thx
21:18 <flea> dpg had a ball in that server...
21:18 <flea> would be very very nice to see up again
21:18 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "masachuttice": masochistic, Massachusetts, malachite, masochist, masochists, mischance, masochist's, matchstick, malachite's, machetes, and mastic.
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's a cool server :)
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I was wrong
21:18 <flea> i'll go check my machetes
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> my incremental backups are working! yay! :)
21:19 <flea> does armabot work the bar also? i'll have a berwsky
21:19 <flea> !beer
21:19 <spidey> lol
21:20 <flea> wrong chan i suppose ;)
21:20 <spidey> armabot's lagging
21:20 * flea isnt rushin the bar-keep
21:21 <flea> is bugfarm down??
21:21 <flea> boring server sUCK
21:21 <flea> no goodplace to play atm
21:21 <flea> t:(
21:21 <flea> all this beer, all this smoke, no arma :(
21:21 <spidey> ok
21:22 <spidey> so appearently making a forum layout in css is above me :D
21:22 * spidey has a headache
21:22 <flea> i do css, any help ?
21:22 <spidey> well
21:22 <spidey> i think it's more i'm not all the way woke up
21:22 <flea> msgg
21:22 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/index.php
21:22 <spidey> but i'ma make one that matches that layout
21:23 <flea> dtd's?
21:24 <spidey> ?
21:24 <flea> wheres ur data homls
21:24 * spidey notes he doesn't really know css
21:24 <spidey> i read for 5minutes then made that
21:24 <spidey> >.<
21:24 <spidey> homls?
21:25 <flea> bit drunkd atm
21:25 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/style.css
21:25 <spidey> that?
21:25 <flea> i see the html params, but u trying to pull css data in to the page?
21:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6007 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (6 files): Saved two raycasts per cycle per frame on the dedicated server by recycling information from the accelerator raycasts.
21:26 <spidey> no
21:26 <spidey> i've got that page done
21:26 <spidey> i'ma make a css template for my forums next
21:26 <spidey> when i wake up :D
21:27 <flea> ...
21:27 <spidey> ?
21:31 * flea forgets irssi everytime i use it
21:31 <flea> long live epic 4 :/
21:34 <flea> bugfarm down?
21:34 <flea> or hiddne
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> gone
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6901
21:37 <flea> no match for groundpig or styball on forums
21:37 <flea> i c thx
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=771
21:44 <flea> tyz
22:07 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i needed some extra lag for a screenshot, hope you don't mind I did a quick cat /dev/zero | ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net 'cat >/dev/null' to get some x_x
22:07 <wrtlprnft> arma related, of course
22:07 <wrtlprnft> though it ended giving me waaay too much lag :s
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here ever use Unison?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/index.html
22:13 <[dlh]> I tried it out, but I didn't like it too much.
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> why not?
22:20 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/armagetron/forum.php
22:20 <spidey> yay
22:20 <spidey> i suck
22:20 <spidey> :(
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> more importantly, did you find something that was useful? :)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I need to synchronize a pretty large directory on my laptop to my server, and then back it up on the server
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I have the backup system going, just need to work out some minor issues with the hard drive
22:30 <spidey> ok
22:30 <spidey> so appearently i can't include something in a higher directory >.<
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22:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
22:34 <spidey> 'er
22:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr?
23:17 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if calling your math parser from the map parser. for callback function, I tried with functions that where local to the parser, and static method to an object. Everything fails. Got any idea?
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23:21 <Lucifer_arma> fails how?
23:22 <philippeqc> return always 0
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> static to the object?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> is it in svn where I can browse it from the svn browser?
23:22 <philippeqc> static float two(float x) {return 2.0;};
23:23 <philippeqc> dont want to commit, I'm messing up lots of the trunk
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft's code is in trunk, though?
23:23 <philippeqc> yes
23:23 <philippeqc> tValue::Expr::varmap_t vars;
23:23 <philippeqc> vars[tString("rot")] = &rotationSpeed;
23:23 <philippeqc>
23:23 <philippeqc> tValue::Expr::funcmap_t functions;
23:23 <philippeqc> functions[tString("time")] = &zShape::myTime;
23:24 <philippeqc> look for a similar structure in tValue.cpp
23:24 <philippeqc> the "blah" code works fine there
23:24 <philippeqc> but when I moved it outside of tValue.cpp, callback never work
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you're using this to tell it about it? http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=771
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Expr::Expr(tString const &expr, varmap_t const &vars, funcmap_t const &functions) {
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> there, that
23:26 <philippeqc> yes
23:28 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ?
23:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not use nc -u to send it to nowhere? :x
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> myTime is static?
23:30 <philippeqc> nope
23:30 <philippeqc> wait
23:30 <philippeqc> which one
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> functions[tString("time")] = &zShape::myTime <--- this one
23:30 <Luke-Jr> spidey: pong
23:30 <philippeqc> that one is
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't use any non-static class members? (can't, the compile would fail)
23:31 <philippeqc> I have tried with
23:31 <philippeqc> static float two(float x) { return 2.0; };
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> did you try moving your code to about where Blah() is to see if it works there?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's a line missing from the code you pasted, maybe it's there and you just missed it :)
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Expr expr(tString("x+f(y)"), vars, functions); <--- from Blah, where he creates the Expr object
23:32 <philippeqc> I have more debug code in the middle
23:33 <philippeqc> yes
23:33 <philippeqc> and then you fetch the data with expr.GetFloat()
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> you have that line?
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23:33 <philippeqc> tValue::BasePtr yy = tValue::BasePtr( new tValue::Expr (tString("time+1"), vars, functions));
23:33 <philippeqc> std::cerr << xx->GetFloat() << std::endl;
23:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> you're outputting from an object called xx, but showing me an object being created called yy
23:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: tValue::Base *yy = tValueParser::parse("time() + 1");
23:36 <philippeqc> http://pastebin.ca/119452
23:36 <philippeqc> I have that in gParser.cpp
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that's not it, I don't know. :) I've done the "make sure philippeqc didn't forget anything obvious" :)
23:36 <philippeqc> the last out crashes now
23:36 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm trying from a function defined just before
23:36 <philippeqc> that worked in tValue and now not anymore
23:37 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: got any other functions than time?
23:37 <philippeqc> is it time since game start or clock time?
23:38 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: any you define
23:38 <philippeqc> how do I define them?
23:38 <philippeqc> and map them
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to think it's some sort of namespace thing. I take it you tried it with the Blah structure exactly like it is in tValue and that didn't work outside tValue?
23:39 <philippeqc> yes, now it crash
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't anything that looks wrong to me, wrtlprnft usually comes in here about 8-10 hours after right now :/
23:41 <philippeqc> ;)
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> but he might still be kicking around now, I guess
23:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: subclass Base to define them
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> dev-ml/lablgtk
23:42 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: 'sin' is a 2 line implementation
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, didn't mean to hit return after that
23:42 <Luke-Jr> typedef fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
23:42 <Luke-Jr> Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (Registration::fptr)
23:42 <Luke-Jr> ( Registration::ctor1* )& Creator<Func::Sin>::create<Base*> );
23:43 <Luke-Jr> the first statement goes in a header somewhere, and the second in a .cpp somewhere
23:43 <Luke-Jr> the function name 'sin', the flags 'func' and 'math', 1 argument, and the constructor function pointer
23:44 <Luke-Jr> Time would be a bit more complex due to its strange usage
23:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr:
23:45 <philippeqc> tValue::Base *aaa = tValueParser::parse(tString("time() + 1") );
23:45 <philippeqc> std::cerr << aaa->GetFloat() << std::endl;
23:45 <philippeqc> armagetronad_main: /usr/include/boost/shared_ptr.hpp:253: T* boost::shared_ptr<T>::operator->() const [with T = tValue::Base]: Assertion `px != 0' failed.
23:45 <philippeqc> Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
23:45 <philippeqc> 0x00002aaaac718afa in raise () from /lib64/tls/libc.so.6
23:46 <Luke-Jr> probably because Time isn't implemented yet
23:46 <philippeqc> I though you gave me a valid example!
23:46 <Luke-Jr> it's valid, just not right now
23:46 <Luke-Jr> it will be once time is implemented
23:46 <philippeqc> ok
23:46 <philippeqc> 30
23:46 <philippeqc> 29
23:46 <philippeqc> 28
23:46 <Luke-Jr> for testing, only sin is implemented
23:46 <philippeqc> .... still there? go and code
23:47 <philippeqc> parenthesis, are they implemented?
23:47 <philippeqc> beside functions I mean
23:48 <philippeqc> like 75+50*(cos(time() * 3.14)/5)
23:48 <philippeqc> lucifer, I think we have a space race on our hands
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> who are the participants?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: IIRC, yes
23:50 * Lucifer_arma hasn't read the news today so probably hasn't seen what's got philippeqc musing
23:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that was a simple '(' expr ')' { $$ = $2; }
23:50 <philippeqc> ok
23:51 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: we have 2 parsers atm, and none are doing what I want....
23:51 <philippeqc> who will fix it first ;)
23:51 <philippeqc> I had great hopes of testing the new modif for zones.... moving ones
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> aha
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, I just realized I'm syncing 20GB to my server, this could take awhile
23:52 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: what's missing in tValueParser
23:52 <Luke-Jr> ?
23:52 <Luke-Jr> (missing, not merely unimplemented)
23:53 <philippeqc> right now, sin, cos and time
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, philippeqc, to be completely honest, I think that instead of doing either of these things, we should go ahead and start embedding pythong
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> python
23:53 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know why he *always* typos python as pythong
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> because python has a wonderful expression parser, and for callbacks we just need to tap into the python API to expose them
23:54 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: 'sin' is implemented; the rest are supported, but unimplemented
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> deep down inside, nobody's going to be happy until the expression parser works like any other programming language
23:54 <philippeqc> hummm
23:54 <Luke-Jr> Python cannot be embedded until rexec is fixed, which doesn't look like any time soon
23:55 <philippeqc> i see you wisdom
23:56 <Luke-Jr> embeddding Python as it is now = security holes up the wall
23:57 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I wanted something to help me test the new shape code that I have, and for that I though I'd use tValue on the x and y and animate it.
23:57 <philippeqc> ruby then?
23:57 <Luke-Jr> Ruby is possible, but I still think full scripting support needs more thought
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> not more of this "python's too slow".
23:58 <Luke-Jr> at least, from nemo's description
23:58 <philippeqc> never said that, just "ruby is a hot item right now, and you mentionned it before"
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh, no, I thought you were responding to something luke said, but since I'm still ignoring luke, I didn't see what he said :)
23:59 <Luke-Jr> maybe he shouldn't ignore me so he doesn't look dumb
23:59 <philippeqc> well as python still has the rexec prob, and that seems to be blocking us right now
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's all attitude that's blocking us right now
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00:00 <wrtlprnft> back.
00:00 <philippeqc> wrt!
00:00 <wrtlprnft> ph!
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> there is one and only one situation where the rexec thing is a problem for us, and that's when we have clients downloading "random" code off the net and running it
00:00 <wrtlprnft> uh, let me read my hilights
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> in all other cases, a sandbox is not needed
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> but why should I bother talking about it? I've "solved" this problem for us many times before, and I can't solve the attitude problem.
00:01 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: you like efficiency, right? Base* is more efficient than BasePtr and why not use it where it's safe to do so?
00:01 <Luke-Jr> without allowing the server to send code, it can't send expressions, so it wouldn't help anything
00:01 <philippeqc> but what is blocking me from making a server with a hacked map, opening it up, waiting for 1 unsuspicious person to come and get hacked in, and remove it for ever?
00:01 <wrtlprnft> passing a Base const & is perfectly safe as long as the function doesn't store it
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> get hacked in how?
00:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: all the functions do store it, IIRC
00:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: did you get any results with gcc 3.4?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:17 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if calling your math parser from the map parser. for callback function, I tried with functions that where local to the parser, and static method to an object. Everything fails. Got any idea?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that solved yet?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:29 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not use nc -u to send it to nowhere? :x
00:02 <wrtlprnft> didn't think of that
00:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, but I needed to compile it without debug or code level
00:02 <wrtlprnft> 23:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
00:02 <philippeqc> its commited
00:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: pong
00:02 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: did you read the tValue reorganization idea thing
00:03 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: security exploit of some sort, I'm not aware of the full problem, so I used a wide term
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, wide terms aren't going to work this out.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: nice it helped :)
00:03 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Most funcs taking a Base* do store it-- is the assumption to be that they keep it?
00:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yeah, thanks
00:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: no, i didn't read anything yet
00:04 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what was your answer again about "making zone move"
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I left it with armabot for you last night
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76811#76811 <--- nobody's responded to this, for all I've ignored people have just ignored it
00:04 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: store it how? past the lifetime of the function?
00:04 <wrtlprnft> ah, yeah, that
00:04 <wrtlprnft> didn't i reply to that?
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: most turn it into a BasePtr for an argument
00:04 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nope
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> er
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=76811#76811 <--- nobody's responded to this, for all I *know* people have just ignored it
00:05 <wrtlprnft> 10:58 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why replace anything? Base * are only used in spots where it's safe to use them
00:05 <wrtlprnft> 11:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: tValue::Callback will be legacy and doesn't really need to be parsed by the parser. varmap_t, funcmap_t and cb_ptr don't have anything to do with the tValue hierarchy, they're just used by the legacy tValue types
00:05 <wrtlprnft> sure i replied :s
00:05 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what is exactly the rexec module?
00:05 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oh, so you meant it's all good other than that?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> i'm not sure if it will great to require windows users to install python
00:06 <wrtlprnft> it's kind of a big dependency
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: sure
00:06 <wrtlprnft> as long as you fix the code that's using it :P
00:07 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'm asking because I get the feeling zones can be the ball that start scripting. The only problem is that the first thing I was hoping to do with it, is to make zones move in circle.
00:08 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Most funcs taking a Base* do store it-- should everything assume if Base* is an arg, the function will consume it?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad?view=rev&revision=6006
00:08 <philippeqc> as you point to keep out of client downloadable items, that leaves pre-furnished client items and server side scripting
00:08 <wrtlprnft> now we're so far we don't get any log message from Luke-Jr ?!
00:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: do you have an example of such a function?
00:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: most constructors?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> I don't see any...
00:10 <wrtlprnft> or, well
00:11 <wrtlprnft> things in tValue::Func take it
00:11 <Luke-Jr> O.o
00:11 <wrtlprnft> but I didn't do these and have no idea what they are supposed to do :P
00:11 <Luke-Jr> maybe just as return values, then
00:12 <wrtlprnft> yes, return values
00:12 <wrtlprnft> that's save as long as the function who receives it takes care of it
00:12 <wrtlprnft> either deletes it after use or save it in a BasePtr
00:12 <wrtlprnft> *safe
00:12 <Luke-Jr> so I should just make arglist and such use BasePtr
00:13 <wrtlprnft> if you like to
00:13 <wrtlprnft> if it makes sense
00:14 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf is myCol and such?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> #g tan(1/2)
00:14 <armabot> tan(1 / 2) = 0.54630249
00:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ask philippeqc
00:15 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: fyi, If you move the blah code outside of tValue.cpp, it no longer work as expected.
00:15 <philippeqc> yep
00:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: uh, guess i have to look into that
00:15 <philippeqc> ok
00:15 <philippeqc> going to bed soon
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sure I'm tired of stagnation, and I see a lot of it here
00:16 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf is myCol and such?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, we'll staticly link any scripting system JUST LIKE BLENDER DOES so users won't need to install it
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> developers will, of course
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> the rexec module is the sandbox module that prevents "unsafe" code from being executed
00:16 <Luke-Jr> why don't we just statically link EVERYTHING?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> it wraps file open calls and a few other things that are known to be exploitable
00:17 <wrtlprnft> I'm just getting tired of these discussions
00:17 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: dont forget that not everybody has your understanding of what scripting in python means.
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> we have to address the problem at some point when we make it possible for the game to download automatically any scripting code it needs
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> we don't need it until then
00:17 <wrtlprnft> let everyone do their own and see what works best
00:17 <Luke-Jr> just keep Python in a branch
00:17 <Luke-Jr> please
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> this is a problem for any scripting language we have, and all we relaly know is that ruby claims to have one that works
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> the only one I know of that's actually time-tested and somewhat proven is Java's
00:18 <wrtlprnft> do we even need something full- blown?
00:18 <wrtlprnft> i say something with very basic abilities is enough
00:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I don't think so
00:18 <wrtlprnft> and it will only have the abilities we give it
00:18 <Luke-Jr> and anything full-blown will need to be restricted to something less
00:18 <Luke-Jr> before it's safe
00:18 <wrtlprnft> so no sandboxing needed
00:19 <[dlh]> Lua and Io were designed for that :S
00:19 <Luke-Jr> tValue could be a scripting language by adding a few constructs and variables
00:19 <[dlh]> Lua has swig support, too. Io doesn't.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> so was java and activex, but afaik, activex still isn't safe, and it took a few years before java was
00:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i can tell you why it won't work if you go outside the tValue namespace with it :P
00:19 <Luke-Jr> ActiveX was not designed to be safe
00:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you have to prefix Expr with tValue::
00:20 <wrtlprnft> i guess that was me being to lazy :(
00:20 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: done that
00:20 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: statically linked scripts?
00:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah, i see
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> no, the interpreter will be statically linked
00:21 <wrtlprnft> compiles but segfaults
00:21 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: he wants to static-link Python
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> or it'll be dynamically linked and we ship the dll that contains it
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's a reasonable dependency on linux, most people already have it
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> gentoo users (i.e. the ones that are complaining) already depend on it because emerge is written in python
00:21 <Luke-Jr> but it's still unsafe, and much more than we need
00:21 <philippeqc> but what does that mean? that the actuall capacity of our engine are limited to a safe sub-set
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much, in a nutshell
00:22 <Luke-Jr> unless you find a way to restrict it, in which case, tValue can suffice almost as well
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> it means that if we allow scripts to open files, we have to make sure it can't open (for example) /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
00:23 <philippeqc> so we could have a "zone move in circle" engine capacity, or would it be a "basic math parser" to wich I feed the proper equation?
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> it means we have to monitor network activity of scripts to make sure they're not downloading code we don't know about
00:23 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it seems to only be failing if you try to pass it a function
00:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: yes, sorry, forgot to mention that
00:23 <wrtlprnft> np
00:23 <Luke-Jr> also, Python doesn't help latency problems
00:23 <wrtlprnft> actually it only fails if you pass it a function and then use it
00:23 <Luke-Jr> unless the code is executed on the client
00:25 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: in your idea of first round scripting, could you give me some examples that would be "client sided"
00:25 <Luke-Jr> BTW, XMPP has 5 RFCs now =p
00:25 <Luke-Jr> the latest being 4622
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> UI mostly
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, animating models in a custom fashion
00:26 <philippeqc> ok, thats relatively static (UI)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, in my ideal first round of scripting, there's no client side scripting anyway
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's all server side, that's where people have been asking for it for as long as I can remember
00:27 <philippeqc> yes, I understand that, but I'm not very server interested myself, so I need to find my motivation ;)
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the only use case that anybody has put forth is when you do something on the server that requires the client to simulate it
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> if the client doesn't have to simulate it, it doesn't need it
00:28 <philippeqc> everything that is round/mathc tournament and such falls perfectly into scripting
00:28 <philippeqc> of that sort
00:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe add scripting to the client and server, but keep them separate?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> so the server can't tell the client to run a script and vice versa
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> it does, but ti's all stuff that only the server needs
00:28 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: myCol: to view tValue::Base as collections
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> and if only the server needs it, rexec isn't needed
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6008 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h):
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Got rid of quite a lot of raycasts by caching the result of the rubber raycast
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: (from the cycle to the front) during a single simulation frame when nothing can
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: jump into the cycle's path. The cycle position extrapolation code also uses the
00:29 <armabot> armagetronad: cached data.
00:30 <wrtlprnft> better make raycasts more effective :P
00:30 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: he wants scripting to replace tValue stuff
00:30 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: that would be the point
00:30 <philippeqc> too
00:31 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: and if the server can't give the client code, lag problems continue
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you can't replace tValue if it's server-only
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: as collections?
00:31 <philippeqc> yes
00:31 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: the server can give approximations
00:31 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: explain?
00:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the server can't predict the future if the script is Python
00:32 <philippeqc> a collection: list, array, vector, deque, etc are all collection
00:32 <Luke-Jr> nor can it rewind to the past
00:32 <philippeqc> now the tValue can manipulate that type of data
00:32 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: so why can't you just do std::vector<Base>?
00:33 <philippeqc> so you can have intersection and union and similar tasks
00:33 <wrtlprnft> BasePtr if anything
00:33 <wrtlprnft> a vector of Base is boring as it just contains dummies
00:33 <philippeqc> so it acts as a Base class too
00:35 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: so it's more or less arrays-for-tValue?
00:35 <philippeqc> nope,
00:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:35 <philippeqc> its tValue that hold a collection
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> here's a use case for scripting that doesn't require rexec
00:35 <philippeqc> and you can do collection operation on it
00:36 <Luke-Jr> it's an array construct for the tValue 'language', tho, right?
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> let's say I decided to run a server again, and I made it just like the old bugfarm fortress
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> I want AIs that can play fortress, and I want it to be 8 humans against 8 AIs
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> So I write my own custom AIs that can play fortress using scripting
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> same api that makes that possible also makes it possible to make a ball zone
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> the client doesn't need that stuff, it doesn't simulate AIs, it gets those as regular players
00:37 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that works if you don't want to *improve* on lag maybe; with rexec, the clients could almost perfectly predict those AIs
00:37 <Luke-Jr> (someone repeat that plz)
00:37 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: looks like mathexpr expects the arrays it gets to stay in memory :S
00:37 <wrtlprnft> i'll take care of it
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> I want to store statistics to a mysql database. Client doesn't need that either
00:38 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: that should be C++ code
00:38 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: also, I was not able to do "time+2", that returned 0 too, even right away
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want the game to interact with a web application so I can control a tournament with it. Guess what? Client doesn't need that either.
00:38 <philippeqc> ok Lucifer_arma , I start to understand
00:38 <Luke-Jr> yay Lucifer_arma got a legit use case!
00:39 <Luke-Jr> on his 3rd try
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the client can play any game object that's not a cycle without needing to know anything about it besides the physics in teh game (which don't require scripting by themselves) and the model it needs to do it
00:39 <Luke-Jr> but it could still be done with C++
00:39 <philippeqc> lucifer, Luke-Jr said: yay Lucifer_arma got a legit use case!
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> engine's not yet flexible enough for that, it does assume the player is a cycle
00:39 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: if you're gonna repeat that one, repeat the ones before it
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr's a fucking idiot. I've given these same exact use cases at least 3 times on the forums. He can't read?
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> he hasn't given a single use case, just "it's useless because I have a stick up my ass"
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going somewhere else, I'm tired of repeating myself. have a good day guys
00:40 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: yes we could do that in C++, but thats the problem: WE would have to do it. not somebody else!
00:40 <Luke-Jr> screw Lucifer_arma; tValue is better than Python for Arma's purposes
00:40 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: somebody else can too
00:40 <Luke-Jr> it's open source
00:41 <Luke-Jr> if they can't code C++, they can learn it or hire someone who does
00:41 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: thanks for the recap, sorry I used up your patience
00:41 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: sometime I dont know where you go and get those ideas!
00:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: FSF?
00:42 <philippeqc> moron!
00:42 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:42 <philippeqc> you dont want john random server admin to have to understand the full klunk of code so he can make a "best of 3" match.
00:42 <Luke-Jr> there is no good reason to support non-native code for that sort of thing
00:43 <Luke-Jr> you don't need to understand all the code to add to it
00:43 <philippeqc> yes
00:43 <philippeqc> and you pollute the code with small variations rather than offering a clean interface to the mecanism
00:43 <philippeqc> check gGame.cpp
00:43 <philippeqc> move that out of there to scripts
00:43 <Luke-Jr> the purpose of an interpretor is to run code determined based on runtime factors
00:44 <Luke-Jr> such as the client getting code from the server
00:44 <philippeqc> lets have a huge library of scripts, and let people change them at their leisure
00:44 <Luke-Jr> gGame.cpp can be cleaned up, sure, but scripting doesn't help that
00:44 <philippeqc> yes, clean it up to the bare bone
00:44 <Luke-Jr> you're suggesting rewriting the game in Python
00:44 <philippeqc> expose the mecanism, but dont have the logic
00:44 <philippeqc> move that to scripts
00:45 <Luke-Jr> Logic doesn't need a whole scripting language
00:45 <Luke-Jr> it just needs tValue-like stuff
00:45 <philippeqc> let the script decide how many rounds are required to have a match based on runtime data
00:45 <Luke-Jr> yes, but you don't need Python for that
00:46 <philippeqc> and for deciding which player goes in which team?
00:46 <Luke-Jr> just make END_OF_MATCH a config item in the new config structure, and set it to whatever you need
00:46 <philippeqc> I want a minotaur setup
00:46 <Luke-Jr> the new config structure has per-player config settings
00:46 <Luke-Jr> so you can set philippeqc's texture different from everyone else
00:47 <Luke-Jr> or his team based on different picking algo
00:47 <philippeqc> END_OF_MATCH = BEST_7_OF_15_BUT_NOW_MORE_THAN_3_CONSECUTIVE_WINS_FOR_THE_SAME_TEAM
00:47 <philippeqc> ?????
00:47 <philippeqc> minotaur is not texture, its a 2 team vs 1 player
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you haven't used up my patience, don't know that you can. :) I'm just generally sick of saying the same things over and over, having them dismissed without any clear thought of what I've said, etc.
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a plain fact that the only time clients need to know the same things the server knows are when the underlying physics have changed, or special animation logic is needed
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> we need to generalize everything else in C++ anyway, otherwise scripting can't extend it, and clients still don't need it.
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6009 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h):
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed a problem with tValue::Expr philippeqc pointed out. The arrays that are
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: passed to mathexpr are now kept alive for as long as the object. Adds another
00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: grade of ugly C pointer juggling to it, but it isn't visible from the outside.
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I realize this isn't "obvious" the way I make it sound like.
00:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try now
00:49 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: the number of possibilities I can come up with are countless, and even if you start to break them into categories, I'll come up with new one that brake those categories. So instead of aiming for the huge switch case of all game modes, moving that out of the engive makes the "hard" developers life easier, and allows for "soft" developers to contribute
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> but it's also what made fortress and sty possible in the first place, so it's a lesson learned already from back when fortress was created.
00:50 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the new config tree + tValue will solve all your use cases
00:51 <wrtlprnft> If you let plugins dig too deep into the engine you'll run into trouble
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> so what I say then is that we work on the 90% of stuff that doesn't require the client to have the same script the server uses,
00:51 <wrtlprnft> scripters won't know exactly what they're doing
00:51 <wrtlprnft> there'll be lots of incompatible scripts that break with new versions
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> by the time we're done with that, then either python's rexec module is fixed, or we're happy and realize we don't need more
00:51 <wrtlprnft> it will be slow as hell
00:51 <wrtlprnft> just look at firefox
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> if neither of those are true, we can get one of the several patches that are out there that fix pythn's rexec module and use them, or we can apply our own fix
00:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6010 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Clear the list of deleted objects a bit safer.
00:52 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I guess my part in reanimating the debate is my strong interess in that 10%
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> that may be, but write out exactly what you want, I'm willing to bet most of what you want isn't in that 10% at all.
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> I know you're pretty thorough in your own thoughts, and I could be wrong about it, but the impression I'm getting pretty much across the board is that most folks around here
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> haven't completely thought out what they want in terms of what's needed to make it happen
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's easy to think yourself into a minority case, but actually very hard to put yourself into it
00:53 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I'd have to give it better thoughts. my mind is shutting down and I had my nose into trying to animate the zones... that makes me really biased
00:53 <philippeqc> s/me/my current interests/
00:54 <philippeqc> i really see the value, even though I often forget it.
00:54 <philippeqc> ;)
00:54 <philippeqc> (of the 90%)
00:54 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: how much of Python scripting will break when admins try to use multiple scripts?
00:54 <Luke-Jr> (not designed to complement each other)
00:54 <wrtlprnft> what about using both in some way? we could have the server run dangerous python sctips that would be able to send simple formulas and programs for object movement to the clinet
00:54 <wrtlprnft> *client
00:55 <wrtlprnft> and have the python dependency only on the server, and only optional (you can run a server without it)
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, actually, wrtlprnft , that is the current plan, afaik
00:55 <wrtlprnft> ok, i guess i'm not up to the discussion right now and tired too
00:55 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:56 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pretty old discussion, you'll have to dig through lots of posts to find it, sorry. :(
00:56 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: Match.End == Round.End && (Team.WonRounds.Consecutive >= 3 || Team.WonRounds >= 7)
00:56 * Lucifer_arma notes that the posts where it was determined, if in drupal, could be moved to actual pages, eliminating the need to search the forums for them
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm off to wash dishes and get dinner going
00:57 <philippeqc> lol, but then you need to add all of these in case someone whats one of them,
00:57 <philippeqc> ok
00:57 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you assume compile-time functions only
00:57 <philippeqc> cya Lucifer_arma
00:57 <philippeqc> I wont be online long
00:57 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: consider that the 'script' can also define new stuff like Team.WonRounds
00:58 <Luke-Jr> or RoundList.Consecutive
00:59 <[dlh]> "Lucifer_arma: and if only the server needs it, rexec isn't needed" -> why? Even if it only runs on the server it still should be sandboxed.
00:59 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: it's not automatic, the admin has had a chance to look it over
00:59 <philippeqc> [dlh]: as a server admin, you hand pick the scripts you decide to run
01:00 <[dlh]> yes, but a sandbox would ensure nothing "bad" happens.
01:00 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: its so that is is possible to have new interest "I want to track the number of consecutive wins" that scripting is interesting
01:00 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: so run the whole program in a sandbox
01:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: you can do that with tValue+DTC (dynamic tree config)
01:01 <philippeqc> [dlh]: at the moment, in that scenario, running unknown scripts would be dangerous, as the sandbox is broken.
01:01 <[dlh]> Not in Ruby. ;)
01:01 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: but that makes the engine heavy, slow, big, all things that you dont like
01:02 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: no heavy, slow, or big than Python woukld
01:02 <Luke-Jr> no more*
01:02 <philippeqc> the fast gain and quick turn around gained by script vastly superceed the cost
01:03 <Luke-Jr> you think adding scripting will be fast and simple?
01:04 <philippeqc> if you didnt need to patch the code to run pig's soccer game, how many other such ideas would we have
01:04 <Luke-Jr> you assume again that only Python solves that
01:04 <philippeqc> never said that, but some of the best stuff are always long to start
01:04 <Luke-Jr> DTC+tValue also does
01:05 <philippeqc> #night
01:05 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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01:05 <Luke-Jr> the only real gain Python would give us is a compiled bytecode like I was planning for tCode
01:05 <Luke-Jr> which everyone insisted was unnecessary
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01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6011 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Clear rubber raycast cache after turns (duh).
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Clear edge smart pointers of rubber raycast cache after timestep is done.
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: in your example, running in a sandbox to "ensure security" is buying a bad insurance policy. Server admins will *think* the scripts they're running are safe, and that even if they do dangerous things, the sandbox will protect them
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not compeltely disagreeing with you, though.
01:50 <[dlh]> I'm suggesting it as another layer of security on top of reading the script. We should do all we can to help stop malicious code from being executed. People make mistakes sometimes.
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01:56 <[dlh]> Hmm, 0.2.8 is really unstable for me now.
01:57 <Luke-Jr> O.o?
02:02 <[dlh]> ahh, it just crashed again
02:14 <Luke-Jr> we appear to only have 1 master server up?
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07:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 pound in USD
07:50 <armabot> 1 British pound = 1.8933 U.S. dollars
08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
08:43 <guru3> 33 on sf today
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow
08:45 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: could you change the paypal button on the wiki to the support this project button?
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I just scored another client, don't know how much money he'll be worth but it looks ok
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I could. :) But now would be the time to point out that if it were to be changed in svn, armabot would update it
08:46 <guru3> Oo
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> the theme on the wiki is in svn, and when a commit message appears, armabot runs svn update on the wiki
08:47 <guru3> oky
08:49 <guru3> and we're aparently the #3 game on sf.net
08:49 <guru3> at least today
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're the #1 game on sf.net, they just don't know it yet
08:56 <guru3> that's the spirit
08:57 <guru3> now... how to get the one master server to ping the others...
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't it do it automatically?
09:02 <guru3> doesn't look like it
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. just start your local master server
09:02 <guru3> it doesn't look like i'm getting thru to master1-3 at all
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I dont' have to do anything special to make mine work, but it is one of the "official" master servers
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> really? Does that mean mine is #4?
09:02 <guru3> yours is #2
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> I just restarted it!
09:03 <guru3> i do ping master2.armagetronad.net
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # /etc/init.d/armagetronad-master status
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> Checking for service armagetronad master: OK
09:03 <guru3> and it goes off into the never lands
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping master2.armagetronad.net
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> PING wiki.davefancella.com (63.246.177.233) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com (63.246.177.233): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.872 ms
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com (63.246.177.233): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.762 ms
09:04 <guru3> can you ping me?
09:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
09:04 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: 0.2.8.2.1 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!!
09:04 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
09:04 <guru3> after 25 hops pings to you drop off the end of the earth
09:04 <guru3> at 66.68.2.30
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping 66.68.2.30
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> PING 66.68.2.30 (66.68.2.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 66.68.2.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=8.45 ms
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 66.68.2.30: icmp_seq=2 ttl=254 time=6.83 ms
09:05 <guru3> ping electricpotential.net
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> localhost .ssh # ping electricpotential.net
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> PING electricpotential.net (81.231.230.95) 56(84) bytes of data.
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> 64 bytes from 81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com (81.231.230.95): icmp_seq=1 ttl=38 time=177 ms
09:05 <guru3> oky
09:05 <guru3> what ports do you have open for the master?
09:05 <guru3> 4533
09:05 <guru3> anything else?
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I've got 4533->4539 open
09:08 <guru3> anyway to check if my script is actually reaching your server?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I need a commandline option that means "source", and another one that means "sync"
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> sure, try it now
09:09 <guru3> just pinged
09:09 <guru3> from the script i mean
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, nothing appeared in big_brother
09:09 <guru3> not sure if it would
09:10 <guru3> as it's not the game
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try again
09:11 <guru3> just did
09:11 <guru3> like 5 times in a row fast
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:08] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <guru3> i guess something works
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:11] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:12] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <guru3> looks like something changed in the query protocol
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:40] [17] Killing user 17, ping 1.25.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:13:40] [17] Giving server info to user 17
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> normally it shows a login and stuff, but it's not for you
09:13 <guru3> from when i wrote it
09:13 <guru3> damnit
09:14 <guru3> i don't want to have to hack the master server protocol again
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:24] [1] Received login from 80.135.15.113:4536 via socket *.*.*.*:4533.
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:24] [1] New user: 1
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> [2006/08/07 02:15:26] [1] Updated server: 80.135.15.113:4536
09:14 <guru3> that'd be me
09:14 <guru3> so i guess that works
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you look at writing a little C++ program instead, that uses the query code directly? Then you can have it output the servers to a file.
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> Add a second program that pings the servers themselves and outputs *that* toa file. Then your script just reads the files...
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> or one program that does it all, but having it as two programs means we could use the second to ping our own servers as a monitoring tool :)
09:16 <guru3> i tried that before
09:16 <guru3> and the query code within armagetron
09:16 <guru3> makes almost no sense
09:16 <guru3> (at least to me)
09:16 <Luke-Jr> FWIW, only master #1 works from here, it seems
09:19 <guru3> geh
09:19 <guru3> i get a totally different response from yours and zman's master server
09:19 <guru3> than iF's
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> so, I have two command line options. One means "source" and the other means "sync". Both need -s . Got an alternative?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> um, iF's is probably an older version. Mine's a fairly recent svn update, his is probably a release
09:20 <guru3> could you change source to fetch?
09:20 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: -. for source? =p
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, source usually means a local directory
09:20 <guru3> that meaning of source
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's a backup tool
09:20 <guru3> then use local
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> duh, heh. ok, thanks :)
09:20 <Luke-Jr> lol
09:21 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, gnight
09:21 <guru3> gargh
09:21 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
09:21 <guru3> why is there no ebuild for ethereal
09:21 <Luke-Jr> ethereal no longer exists
09:21 <Luke-Jr> it's "wireshark" now
09:21 <guru3> that would explain it
09:21 <Luke-Jr> or smth like that
09:22 <guru3> thnx
09:22 <guru3> food now
09:22 <guru3> bbl
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, source could be remote too. I'm not going to worry about it right now, though.
09:25 <guru3> back
09:25 <guru3> had a pastry
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09:44 <guru3> fixed it
09:45 <guru3> seems like the query packet changed some
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16:38 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma What're your feelings on novel excerpts for the site?
16:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
16:39 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma Also...I was noticing the low visibility of the login box...should that be moved up? Perhaps between the quote box and the sitemap box? Just a thought :)
16:39 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
16:39 <DrJoeTron> I think something bad happened to invader >.>
16:40 <GodTodd> what's invader? :)
16:41 <DrJoeTron> arma guy
16:41 <GodTodd> ah
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17:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6012 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTeam.cpp: Fixed team reballancing, TEAMS_MAX and TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS are both honored.
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17:15 <ghableska> hi
17:15 <philippeqc> hi
17:16 <flea> hi
17:36 <DrJoeTron> so uh...guys. wanna go do somethin?
17:36 <linuxlizzard> hehe
17:37 <DrJoeTron> i think tyler is free
17:37 <DrJoeTron> but uh, i uh think he's grounded
17:37 <DrJoeTron> zack is away on vacation for the next 2 weeks
17:39 <DrJoeTron> its like being in a room filled with bored teenagers
17:39 <DrJoeTron> :D
17:39 <DrJoeTron> everyone is here, yet there is nothing to talk about
17:40 <linuxlizzard> yep yep
17:40 <DrJoeTron> and this torrent is taking its time!
17:41 <DrJoeTron> wow alot of people use bitcomet
17:41 <DrJoeTron> then azureus, then utorrent
17:41 <DrJoeTron> i love utorrent so much
17:42 <DrJoeTron> so much better than azureus
17:42 <linuxlizzard> meh but azureus is made with java :P
17:43 <flea> ktorrent is nice
17:45 <flea> net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2 merged.
17:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6013 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Moved setting of end time to after outdated checkpoints get deleted; the new end time would be ignored otherwise in some cases.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6014 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (14 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5970 to 6012:
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: r6012 | z-man | 2006-08-07 17:04:47 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 1 line
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed team reballancing, TEAMS_MAX and TEAM_MAX_PLAYERS are both honored.
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad: r6011 | z-man | 2006-08-07 01:32:57 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
17:56 <guru3> meep
17:56 <guru3> we've passed revision 6000
17:57 <philippeqc> yes, z-man did it yesterday ;)
17:58 <guru3> oh vell
18:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe you'll be in time for number 7000 :p
18:00 <guru3> well
18:00 <guru3> i won't miss the forums 50000 for sure
18:01 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:02 <philippeqc> guys, if from a zZone receiving I wanted to create a sub-class, but I needed to determine that from data received from the network, how could I do that?
18:03 <philippeqc> in a less cryptic fashion: using the writeSync and ReadSync of a class, I want to make another class (no parental relation)
18:04 <wrtlprnft> transfer an extra byte somewhere? that makes for 255 different subclasses
18:04 <philippeqc> and switch case from that
18:05 <philippeqc> or make a map of possible class name, get a string, and do like you do for the cockpit (factory)
18:05 <philippeqc> ok, I was just curious if there was another way
18:05 <philippeqc> a smarter way
18:05 <philippeqc> as that one doesnt really fit with the current schema
18:06 <philippeqc> but I cant make that class a eNetGameObject
18:06 <wrtlprnft> I don't use factories in the cockpit...
18:06 <wrtlprnft> ask z-man, I don't do network code :P
18:06 <philippeqc> map<string, f_ptr> ?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> or map<char, f_ptr>
18:07 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I was going to that solution, but I wanted to bounce that idea off somebody before
18:07 <philippeqc> ok, no factory, its callbacks. sorry
18:07 <wrtlprnft> you probably don't wanna transfer strings over the network
18:07 <philippeqc> I'll have to anyway
18:07 <wrtlprnft> factories are supposed to be used as callbacks :P
18:08 <philippeqc> hopefull short strings
18:08 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.2.aamap.xml
18:08 <wrtlprnft> he uploaded it :)
18:09 <philippeqc> neat
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ed should upload his newer maps
18:09 <wrtlprnft> too
18:09 <philippeqc> i hope I didnt scare that other guy away with my stupid comment about 4 team balancing
18:09 <wrtlprnft> or maybe ask Luke-Jr to do a bulk upload
18:12 <wrtlprnft> or maybe Luke-Jr should just do a bulk upload since the license is "do with it what you want"
18:12 <wrtlprnft> and the resource browser would benefit from the additional maps
18:12 <philippeqc> i still havent looked how to send new dtd
18:12 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: just change the upload script to allow it for you :P
18:13 <philippeqc> thats the thing!
18:18 <DrJoeTron> linuxlizard but thats exactly the problem with azureus
18:19 <DrJoeTron> it has 2 more things opened and taking more resources
18:19 <DrJoeTron> you have java and the client it self running
18:19 <DrJoeTron> and utorrent is only 120kb :p
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18:54 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/fortress/4_team_fortress-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
18:56 <linuxlizzard> wwdc starts in three minutes if anybody here cares about apple
18:57 <DrJoeTron> if its about apple going out of business
18:57 <DrJoeTron> im totally watching
18:58 <linuxlizzard> haha
18:58 <linuxlizzard> its about apple and their latest ploys that we all know will fail misrably ;_
18:58 <linuxlizzard> latest news - "spontaneous crowd applause - false alarm"
18:59 <linuxlizzard> ;P
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19:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: allowing upload of DTDs would be considered abuse =p
19:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: since it's designed specifically for XML resources
19:13 <philippeqc> yeah, we dont want people to start to develop new idea!
19:13 <Luke-Jr> unless you want to find a clean way to add non-XML support-- which isn't very possible given it's existing requirements
19:13 <Luke-Jr> eg, automatic filepath determination and such
19:13 <philippeqc> They go around and like, start to spread and share those ideas with each others, and improve on them
19:13 <philippeqc> that's why we have to close down dtd upload
19:13 * Luke-Jr ignores philippeqc's satire
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why, the path will be the author (the HTTP username) and the filename
19:14 <wrtlprnft> both are available
19:15 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the user's local filename should not affect the uploader
19:15 <Luke-Jr> and it doesn't account for categories at all
19:16 <wrtlprnft> who needs categories anyways?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> please just copy DTDs manually for now
19:16 <philippeqc> copy where?
19:16 <wrtlprnft> can we?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> iw permissions
19:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you *should* be able to use sudo -u armagetronad
19:17 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: in the repository
19:17 <wrtlprnft> so i can go and upload ed's maps?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> and regenerate the images?
19:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: erm, I presume ed would if he wanted them uploaded?
19:18 <philippeqc> I might have lost my account
19:18 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: IIRC, you didn't have one
19:18 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: want one?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: it's a pain
19:18 <philippeqc> well it seems that's the only way ;)
19:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what is?
19:18 <wrtlprnft> and they all have "License: do with it what you want" in it
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: for now, anyway
19:19 <wrtlprnft> so we can put them there
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I plan to setup a distributed mirroring system for it later
19:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: selecting all new maps in the browser and uploading them one by one
19:19 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: I'll post my public key
19:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: go ahead I guess
19:19 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ok
19:19 <philippeqc> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEAyXubir9JwHSBqtEXwYQUC8C3lYlRCM0eQ6KV0qAoXvVln9GSJEaZjOrEnzL3naDzb+IbvdudFR5fu1aLWTMfEB01WCQuU9EHrBr7cER/z6xEsMnVRpYdTQAGm6D01fHjHb0EYoB54HFZKII77aHTwq1b+YR/P5KbDBOG3EtTCn8= ph@black
19:20 <philippeqc> or
19:20 <philippeqc> ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAIhYQoavTm+ILhsvHVLhEKllx30LJ7uhXIbbjKw4XH12VGSFYfPzRC1SMitDmVBP5AhQHtFeobm9RcYeKjUKrMa6lMT52yVEUV1S6lqVJL9QChBNvA+aFy6QXWxEJc0ozFvgbE+fEgLbVHSZNwZfJR7KACe/4Bfqzy0OlENx5x8pAAAAFQDzXA3XmjbG0fuekxItKBK6x0UeiQAAAIBJ3siOAm20DBSxC7dWtjE512756dWgWZlzsEyQrusDOr9ZXNJnFj/Pm+oB5PHMe5LIgtjA9h6MUG/av3XjfmlOfl1TXi/KE71+MOxa8n8j9IQ+vtN9RpBYlQBkJyMIRikjPcYEz+nmwVRv8H/Yo3WfKh8ldY0f1xzA1///zkDKqgAAAIA4JchKZluSnk5Op+
19:20 <philippeqc> xJghCmKOl7XCak8XKWhTYjPW31shAsMGFI4XNch/VqYYl8Huh/TgWgxjLmzBH48pIf64xYKuNWq1OIMajq0G5RJyPEL4RFSrd6ZHkvkgr/roOkJK4IhtkfNxgZCcJVXCXfOwYTOVe+pxjsPRHf1W2ykJSQ+A== ph@black
19:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:20 <wrtlprnft> i know the second one :p
19:21 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: ok, should work
19:21 <philippeqc> ip and procedure?
19:21 <Luke-Jr> ssh hachi.dashjr.org
19:22 <Luke-Jr> sudo -u armagetronad cp /tmp/somefile.dtd /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/somefile.dtd
19:22 <Luke-Jr> you can figure out how to get somefile.dtd there
19:22 <Luke-Jr> maybe wget or scp
19:23 <Luke-Jr> tho if wget, verify a MD5
19:23 <Luke-Jr> brb
19:24 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: is there a script for thumbnail regeneration?
19:26 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6015 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gMenus.cpp: Don't react on fullscreen toggle in debug mode when playing back.
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no
19:27 <wrtlprnft> but i do have write access to the thumbnails?
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I just did some kind of loop in bash
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: armagetronad does\
19:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
19:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: do be careful not to touch modification dates on existing resources, btw
19:27 <wrtlprnft> sudo -u armagetronad bash :P
19:27 <wrtlprnft> I won't
19:27 <Luke-Jr> sudo has a -s
19:29 <wrtlprnft> bbiab
19:32 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: thanks
19:33 <Luke-Jr> np
19:37 * spidey yawns
19:40 <philippeqc> sudo -u armagetronad mv map-0.3.1-a.dtd /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/
19:40 <philippeqc> mv: cannot move `map-0.3.1-a.dtd' to `/var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/AATeam/map-0.3.1-a.dtd': Permission denied
19:41 <spidey> move it as root?
19:41 <philippeqc> not my machine, and always avoid using root
19:42 <spidey> link ir?
19:42 <spidey> it
19:42 <philippeqc> I want to move it
19:43 <philippeqc> ha! probably I could copy it
19:43 <philippeqc> yep
19:43 <spidey> sudo -u armagetronad
19:43 <spidey> why that?
19:43 <philippeqc> armagetronad didnt have rights to remove the file
19:43 <philippeqc> sudo = super user does < command >
19:44 <spidey> yea i know
19:44 <spidey> but why use sudo to move a file?
19:44 <philippeqc> -u : as user
19:44 <philippeqc> cause I dont have permissions myself
19:44 <spidey> ah
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6016 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gWall.cpp): Update last turn position and wall begin distance on cycle sync.
19:54 <guru3> it apears we've been approved for hosted email
19:55 <philippeqc> sf or gmail?
19:55 <guru3> gmail
19:55 <philippeqc> hurray, my 3rd gmail address
19:55 <guru3> not @gmail tho
19:56 <guru3> @armagetronad.net
19:56 <philippeqc> nice
19:56 <philippeqc> now I'm a little elite, that makes me l3et, rather than a full l33t
19:56 <guru3> been happy
19:56 <guru3> *bee
19:57 <philippeqc> be
19:57 <guru3> that too
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6017 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gMenus.cpp gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6012 to 6016:
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: r6016 | z-man | 2006-08-07 19:55:32 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: Update last turn position and wall begin distance on cycle sync.
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: r6015 | z-man | 2006-08-07 19:27:30 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
20:06 <wrtlprnft> yes n | sudo -u armagetronad cp -ri resource/ed/* /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource/ed <-- that
20:06 <wrtlprnft> approved?
20:07 <philippeqc> where are they right now?
20:07 <philippeqc> I'd say yes
20:09 <wrtlprnft> i love the yes no construct :p
20:09 <philippeqc> yes
20:10 <wrtlprnft> yes yes
20:18 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking still?
20:23 <wrtlprnft> done. those are new: http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/121007
20:23 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
20:28 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: now would be a good time to make the first "release" of all the maps in an archive for convenient download
20:29 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:29 <wrtlprnft> I'd just wget -r them all :P
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> that will irritate Luke-Jr ...
20:30 <philippeqc> wget or the big zip?
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> the big zip
20:30 <wrtlprnft> zip x_x
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> hey, is'nt that a movie? The Big Zip?
20:30 <philippeqc> he can still host it
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> you guys do what you want, I'm just heckling. :)
20:30 <philippeqc> ;)
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> I feel so much more relaxed after I re-registered for my classes. I got worried when I saw the big lines at admissions today that my classes might fill up before I got home to register online
20:31 <wrtlprnft> oh, i added xevi's cockpits too, he wanted me to do that and not contact Luke-Jr for some reason
20:31 <wrtlprnft> some guy he doesn't know, needing to make an account on some forums he doesn't know
20:31 <philippeqc> lol
20:31 <Lucifer_arma> xevi has a forum account....
20:32 <wrtlprnft> he does?
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my impression was always that the resource repository would be open to the community and allow anonymous uploads.
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I had a wrong impression....
20:32 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's got the avatar with the bee buzzing around his head
20:32 <wrtlprnft> if he has one he didn't post with it
20:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah he did. :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> a search for posts by xevi doesn't return anything
20:33 <wrtlprnft> ah, xevic
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's because he's registered with a dfiferent name
20:33 <wrtlprnft> that's a lightcycle x_X
20:33 * Lucifer_arma always searches *name*, but for some reason that search doesn't return any results
20:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's a light cycle?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:33 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6601&highlight=
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> heh, so it is :)
20:34 <Lucifer_arma> if he made it leave a wall behind it, he'd look like an angel
20:35 <Lucifer_arma> Analist - Programmer <--- damn, and I thought I was anal, but he's got it in his job description!
20:36 <philippeqc> ;)
20:37 <wrtlprnft> btw, if someone wants to make better screenshots for the cockpit list on the wiki, feel free to do so
20:37 <wrtlprnft> mine suck, those cockpits deserve something better
20:40 <spidey> see
20:40 <spidey> this thing had to wait till it pissed me off >.<
20:40 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/forumtest.php
20:40 <spidey> tell me i can't use css to posistion a iframe :|
20:41 <philippeqc> my gf would kill you if she new you where using iframe
20:41 <spidey> well phpbb2 can't be included without a hack
20:41 <spidey> and i'm lazy
20:41 <philippeqc> if I was you, I'd be more worried for my life
20:42 <spidey> haha
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> rip out everything above and including <body> and below and including </body>, then use require_once() to include it?
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, then you have to rewrite all the links
20:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma no
20:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i tried that
20:42 <spidey> phpbb2 bitches about it
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> try harder
20:42 <spidey> like i said,it can't be included without a hack
20:43 <spidey> that includes using require_once()
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> yes, but you didn't specify good hack or bad hack. What you've said is you tried a "good hack", failed, and used a "bad hack"
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, you deserve whatever philippeqc's girlfriend does to you
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it's not nice!
20:43 <spidey> "s
20:43 <spidey> :s
20:43 <spidey> well
20:43 <philippeqc> dont worry, she's quite creative
20:44 <spidey> atleast i'm not using tables :p
20:44 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: try now
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> long as she's on this side of nice :)
20:44 <philippeqc> try now what?
20:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: don't you dare do that =p
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> what are you trying to do anyway?
20:45 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what shounldnt wrt dare to do? wget or the archive?
20:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: the repo isn't a forum
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> you just want a larger website with forums embedded in it?
20:45 <spidey> kinda
20:45 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:45 <spidey> i got it though
20:45 <spidey> it's perfect now ;x
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> still got an iframe?
20:45 <spidey> now to put the css in style.css
20:45 <spidey> yes
20:46 <Luke-Jr> spidey: please tell Lucifer what I said
20:46 <spidey> he might ignore me then
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: copy resources into the repo that are already there
20:46 <spidey> :D
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: I have the archive already
20:46 <spidey> tell him what?
20:46 <Luke-Jr> spidey: Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:46 <spidey> [13:47] ( Luke-Jr ) +spidey: Lucifer_arma: anonymous uploads to Anonymous authorname maybe
20:46 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: try cping into AATeam
20:46 <wrtlprnft> get some mechanism to check for forum accounts
20:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: forum accounts aren't under names, often
20:47 <Luke-Jr> usually they have clan tags
20:47 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: it was the move that I couldnt do, as armagetronad needed permission to erase my copy
20:47 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: oh
20:47 <Luke-Jr> so cp it ;)
20:47 <philippeqc> it works with cp
20:47 <philippeqc> yes
20:47 <Luke-Jr> good
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://drupal.org/project/phpbb2drupal
20:48 <Luke-Jr> I have tbz2 of the repository already as backups-- could easily be hosted somewhere
20:48 <wrtlprnft> does that convert attachments?
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> it says it does
20:48 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's for spidey, I'm sure he's not shy about changing all the links
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> and since drupal will let you input raw php if you have permission, he can put anything else he wants and gets a full-featured CMS that's good enough for The Onion
20:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i've tried drupal
20:49 <spidey> didn't like it
20:49 <spidey> if i wanted a cms i'd use php-nuke
20:49 <spidey> and i don't like that either
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> "I didn't like the beamer, I prefer the volkswagon"
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> I can respect that. Fahrfergnugen's are nice cars.
20:50 <spidey> i prefer a lamberguini diablo
20:50 <spidey> ;x
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> that would be slashdot
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> *slashcode
20:50 <spidey> lol
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> just like the lambourghini, it looks really good and fast on the outside, but has nothing but turd under the hood
20:51 <Lucifer_arma> s/turd/perl
20:51 <spidey> um
20:51 <spidey> lambourghini can hit 200+
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> so can slashcode, but have you ever tried to read the code?
20:53 <spidey> what's slashcode?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> um, the code that runs slashdot?
20:54 <Lucifer_arma> the perl program that phpNuke tries so hard to copy :)
20:54 <spidey> what's slashdot?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> that makes 6 cockpits now :)
20:55 <philippeqc> spidey: slashdot.org
20:55 <philippeqc> news for nerds, stuff that matters
20:55 <wrtlprnft> without spidey's, as he refuses to get it into the repository it seems
20:55 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ..........
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <spidey> argh
20:55 <Luke-Jr> how the heck are you ignorant of slashdot?
20:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey doesn't know ./?!
20:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr gimme a account for the repository so wrtl will shut up >.<
20:55 <wrtlprnft> err, /.
20:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
20:56 <Luke-Jr> j/k =p
20:56 <spidey> wrtlprnft there you go!
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ?!
20:56 <spidey> [13:57] ( Luke-Jr ) +spidey: no
20:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: what's your author name?
20:56 <spidey> now lemme lone :p
20:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, spidey
20:57 <Luke-Jr> ... why do I bother to ask? =p
20:57 <spidey> beats me ;x
20:57 <wrtlprnft> now i'm confused
20:57 <Luke-Jr> spidey: that's your password
20:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: of?
20:58 <spidey> i'll never remember that :D
20:58 <Luke-Jr> copy it to a text file
20:58 <Luke-Jr> or make me change it at gunpoint
20:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: why you said no :P
20:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: cuz it's the last thing he expected
20:59 * spidey points a sharp object at Luke-Jr and says change it
20:59 <Luke-Jr> spidey: to?
20:59 <spidey> the pass my webserver uses
20:59 <Luke-Jr> howw should I know wtf that is
21:00 <philippeqc> spidey: log once, then do the command "passwd"
21:00 <spidey> ok
21:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that won't work for a htpasswd account
21:00 <wrtlprnft> change it to "fuckmicrosoft". That's the pass some idiot i know used until i found out about it
21:00 <spidey> the password that i use on lightfoot and hachi
21:00 <philippeqc> htpasswd = ?
21:00 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ... don't know those either
21:00 <spidey> lol
21:00 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: Apache password file
21:00 <philippeqc> o
21:01 <spidey> this means i'ma have to fix all 4 of my cockpits
21:01 <spidey> >.<
21:01 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:01 <spidey> or
21:01 <spidey> well ya
21:01 <spidey> :(
21:01 <wrtlprnft> give them reasonable names and the right author
21:01 <spidey> i'll just upload the main one
21:01 <wrtlprnft> nah, upload all :P
21:01 <spidey> k
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that takes like 2 minutes
21:02 <wrtlprnft> if you're slow
21:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: is there a way to extract the string used for the parsing from a tValue::Expr ?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: not yet, but it would be possible, I'd have to store it
21:03 <wrtlprnft> mathexpr drops the string
21:03 <philippeqc> o
21:03 <philippeqc> I'd need it for network creation of object
21:03 <wrtlprnft> kk
21:04 <philippeqc> well, I dont know if my idea is good, but it seems reasonable to send the parsed string to the client
21:04 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: how where you planning to send the information to the client about your parsed tvalue?
21:05 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: normal network object syncs
21:05 <philippeqc> you have pointers there! ;)
21:05 <Luke-Jr> 6so?
21:05 <philippeqc> that wont "normal network object sync" that well
21:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6018 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h): Leakfix: better clearing of reference loop (and other evils) causing temporary smart pointers.
21:05 <spidey> gimme a name for the cockpit file,or it stays at "test4"
21:05 <spidey> :D
21:06 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: not yet
21:06 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: that part depends on DCT
21:06 <philippeqc> I'm already at that part with Expr
21:06 <Luke-Jr> that's nice
21:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: uh, i'm not bad at finding names
21:07 <Luke-Jr> mathexpr doesn't fit our requirements, remember
21:07 <wrtlprnft> err
21:07 <wrtlprnft> i'm not good at
21:07 <wrtlprnft> it
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> call it test5
21:07 <spidey> Filepath identified as: spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
21:07 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:07 <spidey> Addition confirmed... processing... ERROR: Unable to open autoupload log file! Contact luke+aaresource@dashjr.org
21:07 <spidey> ???
21:07 * Luke-Jr blames wrtlprnft
21:07 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr broke it
21:07 * Luke-Jr blames philippeqc instead
21:07 <spidey> lol
21:07 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do anything
21:07 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: what requirements
21:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: it works now
21:07 <Luke-Jr> reload
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:08 <wrtlprnft> !
21:08 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: the most obvious being multi-argument functions
21:08 <spidey> :D
21:08 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: it is a tValue, and I want to start working on animating zones, so I'm making a hack to be revisited at a later time.
21:08 <Luke-Jr> i see
21:08 <Luke-Jr> animating how? O.o
21:08 <philippeqc> the good way ;)
21:08 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:08 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 3 to go and i'll shut up :P
21:08 <philippeqc> x, y and similar
21:08 <Luke-Jr> z?
21:09 <philippeqc> round and round they go ;9
21:09 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: the best way would be to modify tValue for that
21:09 <wrtlprnft> to allow tValue to be synced
21:09 <philippeqc> ;)
21:09 <philippeqc> yes
21:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that will all be easier with DCT tho
21:09 <philippeqc> I didnt dare
21:09 <wrtlprnft> ie it would take care of copying itself correctly
21:10 <philippeqc> I've made Expr::vars and Expr::functions as static.
21:10 <wrtlprnft> the basic types like String, Float etc you could just copy over
21:10 <spidey> ohhh
21:10 <spidey> i messed up
21:10 <spidey> Luke-Jr
21:10 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:10 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how to differ between a string, a callback and a "parsable equation"
21:10 <spidey> i uploaded it as .aamap
21:10 <spidey> not .aacockpit
21:10 <spidey> :(
21:10 <Luke-Jr> I don't care
21:10 <Luke-Jr> nor does it
21:10 <Luke-Jr> <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:10 <spidey> can i delete it?
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5245950.stm
21:11 <Luke-Jr> no
21:11 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/spidey/abyss-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml
21:11 <spidey> abyss-0.0.1.aamap.xml
21:11 <spidey> that's what it is local
21:11 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't care what it is local
21:11 <spidey> O.o
21:11 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: in utah lol
21:11 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/spidey/pink-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Resource by spidey
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ironically enough :)
21:12 <Luke-Jr> PINK!
21:12 <spidey> it's cool!
21:12 <spidey> it's one i made for lizz
21:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: if you wanna make me totally happy give me nice screenshots of them :P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i'll make boring ones if you don't :P
21:12 <spidey> >.<
21:12 <spidey> hold on
21:12 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:13 * Luke-Jr watches wrtlprnft pile on tasks
21:13 <wrtlprnft> after that, learn chinese
21:13 <philippeqc> neat!
21:13 <wrtlprnft> then write an automated preview script.
21:14 <wrtlprnft> then... I'll wait till you finish those tasks until i assign new ones
21:17 <spidey> lol
21:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, this is the abyss one
21:17 <spidey> http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9314/abyssyj2.png
21:18 <spidey> this is the pink one
21:18 <spidey> http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3196/pinkonevm1.png
21:19 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
21:20 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/?min=423 <-- boring screenshots I would have used
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: i'm here now
21:21 <spidey> now i go back to that server for a hour
21:21 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr: could you correct something in svn?
21:22 <spidey> then do 32 pages of science
21:22 <philippeqc> in my private space, I lack a project for the junk currently there
21:23 <philippeqc> could it be moved into a directory "zone-v2-01-start"
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I was away a sec
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> um, actually GodTodd, ironically I was thinking about novels
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> I figure there are 3 options:
21:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: do you have capacity to fix svn ?
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> 1) you self-publish with cafepress anything you haven't got a buyer for otherwise (doing so will mean you won't get a buyer until you get your own)
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: arma svn?
21:24 <philippeqc> yes, my private space
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> 2) you self-publish on the website and make it free for all and hope to make it back with advertising and merchandise and stuff
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> 3) I install this nice paypal module and people have to become site members. In this scenario, we'd show excerpts and members get the full text
21:25 <GodTodd> i was kinda thinking the third scenario
21:25 <Lucifer_arma> 4) you put whatever you want and do whatever you want. :)
21:25 <GodTodd> lowest cost with at least some (hopefully) retur
21:25 <GodTodd> return*
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: what's wrong with it?
21:26 <philippeqc> can I move the content of private/philippeqc to private/philippeqc/someDir/
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, GodTodd, I figure we can cross 1) off the list as being fairly worthless. You might keep it as an option anyway for folks that want the paper option, but I'd expect folks to go with something web-based
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: yes, use svn mv
21:27 <philippeqc> ok, then I can fix it myself
21:27 <philippeqc> ty
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> np :)
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> also, GodTodd, you might consider eBook formats. There is a paid download module kicking around too, and I already set the site up to use private download space, i.e. you can't download a file just by guessing it's url
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I like 3) because it gives folks a reason to join the site. What I don't like about it is that there will be site content locked up behind a cash register
21:28 <wrtlprnft> ok, spidey's cockpits are on the wiki
21:28 <wrtlprnft> which brings the count to 8
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> however, if we did 2), we couldn't later switch to 3). But if we did 3), we could later switch to 2) reasonably if 3) didn't work out :)
21:29 <GodTodd> that's what i was figuring
21:29 <GodTodd> and eBook formats....like pdf or what?
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I read palm DOC files on my clie. :)
21:30 <GodTodd> is there a program that will convert to different cross-platform files?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few open source tools for making various conversions. If we work it right, we might be able to offer downloadable files in the user's preferred format, and there's probably real value for that
21:31 <GodTodd> that's what i was hoping for :)
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6019 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycleMovement.cpp gCycleMovement.h):
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6016 to 6018:
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: r6018 | z-man | 2006-08-07 21:06:53 +0200 (Mon, 07 Aug 2006) | 1 line
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: Leakfix: better clearing of reference loop (and other evils) causing temporary smart pointers.
21:31 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> so a site member could be able to make free downloads of this stuff (wel,l free after they paid for their membership) or read it directly on the site
21:31 <GodTodd> exactly
21:31 <GodTodd> choice is the key
21:31 <GodTodd> the more choice a user has the more value they see
21:33 <GodTodd> (Hence the major success of SprawlMart beyond lower prices)
21:33 <GodTodd> ;)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to suggest a couple more things :)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> you write a few short stories, longer stories (i.e. multipart short stories), and maybe even a novella, and post those for all to read
21:33 <GodTodd> yeah i was considering that too
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> when you have 3 completed novels, post one of them for free, then try to maintain a 3:2 ratio
21:33 <GodTodd> got a couple kicking around
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, 3:1 ratio of paid:free
21:34 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: svn mv
21:34 <philippeqc> grrr
21:34 <Luke-Jr> GRRR
21:34 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: ?
21:35 <philippeqc> I'm trying to move with svn mv https://sv.../private/philippeqc https://sv.../private/philippeqc/someDir
21:35 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:35 <philippeqc> svn: Cannot move URL 'https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc' into itself
21:35 <wrtlprnft> need to move it somewhere else
21:35 <wrtlprnft> first
21:35 <philippeqc> yeah, I was coming there
21:35 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6020 /private/philippeqc/zone-v2-01-start/: ph dir
21:35 <philippeqc> didnt want to add useless version around
21:36 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6021 /private/ (philippeqc/ tmp/): Moved to its own directory
21:36 <wrtlprnft> errm
21:36 <wrtlprnft> are we conflicting now?!
21:37 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:37 <wrtlprnft> i though Luke-Jr fixed it in one revision
21:37 <Luke-Jr> two ways to do it I guess
21:37 <Luke-Jr> I did half a fix =p
21:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6022 /private/tmp/zone-v2-01-start/: undo that
21:38 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: if you want me to do it, let me know =p
21:38 <wrtlprnft> NOW we're adding useless revisions :P
21:38 <philippeqc> how to make a directory now
21:38 <philippeqc> grr, I should really go to bed
21:39 <wrtlprnft> mkdir name
21:39 <philippeqc> :(
21:39 <wrtlprnft> svn add name
21:39 <philippeqc> ok
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6023 /private/philippeqc/: like this
21:39 <wrtlprnft> errm
21:39 <wrtlprnft> i love these commits that only make sense if you read them in this channel...
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6024 /private/ (philippeqc/zone-v2-01-start/ tmp/): and this
21:39 <Luke-Jr> lol
21:39 <Luke-Jr> all done
21:40 <philippeqc> o ty luke, now you conflicted with my operation
21:40 <Luke-Jr> yw
21:40 <Luke-Jr> svn ls https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc
21:40 <philippeqc> yeah, saw its corrected
21:40 <philippeqc> ty
21:41 <Luke-Jr> np
21:41 <philippeqc> ok, now how to I make a new branch from trunk without grabbing all but armagetronad?
21:41 <philippeqc> svn copy trunk/armagetronad private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shapes
21:41 <GodTodd> w00t....conor gots him some teeth :D
21:41 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: wtf?
21:42 <Luke-Jr> please, always copy all
21:42 <Luke-Jr> don't just copy armagetronad
21:42 <Luke-Jr> it is better that way
21:42 <wrtlprnft> who needs all that winlibs stuff anyways
21:42 <wrtlprnft> joda is away, z-man doesn't care to fix it...
21:42 <Luke-Jr> it is cheaper to copy all
21:42 <wrtlprnft> so noone's gonna change anything anyways
21:43 <Luke-Jr> that to copy selectively
21:43 <Luke-Jr> than*
21:43 <Luke-Jr> and makes merging simpler
21:43 <philippeqc> does it really?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> svn copy https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/ https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/wrtlprnft/all
21:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: lol
21:44 <philippeqc> ok, I'll do that
21:44 <wrtlprnft> if i'm merging it's easier to just merge the armagetronad module
21:44 <Luke-Jr> philippeqc: a copy is represented in svn as a copy
21:44 <Luke-Jr> a single copy
21:44 <wrtlprnft> since i usually don't have checkouts of anything but armagetronad/
21:44 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't need to recurse and count files or anything
21:45 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: branching shouldn't be done w/ WC anyway
21:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> you need a checkout of your target, right?
21:47 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6025 / (armagetronad/trunk/ private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape/): Zone have a new mecanism for their shapes
21:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: no
21:48 <Luke-Jr> svn cp https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/{trunk,branches/foo}
21:48 <Luke-Jr> tada
21:48 <philippeqc> darn should have done it locally to commit my changes
21:50 <philippeqc> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape'
21:50 <philippeqc> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape': could not connect to server (https://svn.sourceforget.net)
21:51 <philippeqc> darn sf!
21:52 <Luke-Jr> O.o
21:52 <Luke-Jr> svn switch?
21:53 <philippeqc> lol
21:53 <philippeqc> I killed trunk
21:53 <philippeqc> I moved it to my own private space!!!!
21:54 <philippeqc> LOL
21:54 * Luke-Jr kills philippeqc
21:55 <philippeqc> All your trunk are belong to me!
21:55 <Luke-Jr> oh god you did
21:55 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6026 / (armagetronad/trunk/ private/philippeqc/zone-v2-02-shape/): Zone have a new mecanism for their shapes
21:55 <philippeqc> sorry forgot to change the message
21:55 <Luke-Jr> you just broke everyone's trunk checkout
21:56 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:56 <philippeqc> nope
21:56 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
21:56 <philippeqc> mine is fine here
21:56 <[dlh]> you deleted your private workspace, though.
21:56 <philippeqc> it was not created
21:56 <philippeqc> I didnt want to branch trunk from my private space
21:56 <philippeqc> ;)
21:57 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: z-man said what i did was right and i'm gonna trust him
21:58 <philippeqc> what if I branched in /aa/aa/branches ?
21:59 <philippeqc> what I'm doing isnt really "private", it just off trunk
21:59 <philippeqc> as long as it breaks more than it fix
22:00 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what do you think about that?
22:01 <philippeqc> to avoid new mistake:
22:02 <philippeqc> -- from my local copy of trunk with my local change :
22:02 <philippeqc> a)svn copy trunk branches/zone-v2-02-shape
22:02 <philippeqc> b)svn commit -m "Now creating a branche to experiment with shapes"
22:02 <philippeqc> would that create the new branche with my local changes in it?
22:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft Luke-Jr Lucifer_arma ? ^^^
22:06 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6027 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/ (14 files in 7 dirs): Now creating a branche to experiment with shapes
22:06 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: try it :P
22:07 <wrtlprnft> if it's the trunk without your changes merge them
22:07 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6028 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zShape.cpp zShape.hpp): forgot the escential files
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: yes
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe
22:09 <philippeqc> well it seems everything went fine
22:09 <philippeqc> I'll make a "maps" section in my private space
22:09 <philippeqc> and put a map that makes the zones move in circle
22:09 <philippeqc> and let you try it up
22:10 <philippeqc> oups, no, you wont be able to, it wont compile
22:10 <philippeqc> disable all the network code if you want to (in zShape.cpp)
22:10 <philippeqc> its not used
22:10 <philippeqc> for local play
22:14 <wrtlprnft> I'll go to bed soon
22:14 <wrtlprnft> and I won't be there tomorrow :(
22:14 <wrtlprnft> *here
22:15 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6029 /private/philippeqc/maps/ (. map-0.3.1-a.dtd quadFortress.aamap.xml): simple map to see the zone move
22:15 <philippeqc> back to work 2morrow
22:15 <philippeqc> cya
22:15 <philippeqc> #night
22:15 <wrtlprnft> cya
22:15 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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22:18 <wrtlprnft> 113 <Point x="100+50*cos(time()*3.14*2/15)"
22:18 <wrtlprnft> 114 y="100+50*sin(time()*3.14*2/15)"/>
22:18 <wrtlprnft> that works, passing no arg to time()?
22:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: wtf did z-man say was right?
22:26 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why would time() need an arg?
22:26 <wrtlprnft> it surprises me that it works without an arg
22:26 <wrtlprnft> as mathexpr by itself only handles functions with one arg
22:27 <Luke-Jr> maybe ph hacked it
22:27 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
22:28 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=80411#80411
22:28 <wrtlprnft> and I used svn merge for that
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22:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: there are plenty of ways to merge that will result in the correct output
22:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: however, branching and merging the full trunk-level data is most generic and works for all branching
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22:46 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:46 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:25 <Lucifer_arma> why is it so hard to apply a stupid patch?
23:33 <GodTodd> what kind of patch?
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's the patch that updates the paypal_subscription module to drupal 4.7
23:35 <GodTodd> ah
Log from 2006-08-08:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 08 2006
00:04 <GodTodd> anyone happen to know if jre 5.0 updates 2,6 and 7 are all needed or do i just need to keep the latest one?
00:04 <GodTodd> i know i know stupid windows question
00:06 <spidey> hmm
00:08 <spidey> java?
00:10 <GodTodd> yeah the runtime environment
00:11 <GodTodd> cuz the sdk i just have update 7
00:12 <GodTodd> so i would assume it would be the same for the RE
00:12 <GodTodd> but then i've assumed on windows before...;)
00:12 <GodTodd> ;)*
00:12 <GodTodd> ;) *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
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00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
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00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
00:15 * spidey stabs Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)*
00:15 * spidey kicks Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;(x
00:15 * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore spidey
00:15 <spidey> lol
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> you broke up my animation :(
00:16 <spidey> animation?
00:16 <spidey> i didn't see it moving :p
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> that's because you have no imagination
00:17 * Lucifer_arma hands spidey some imagination
00:17 <spidey> it's virtual
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> use your imagination!
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> pure virtual? As in you don't have any, but your kids will?
00:17 <spidey> it's wrtlprnft in a bakini
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> *bikini
00:17 <spidey> #check bakini
00:17 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "bakini": baking, bikini, backing, barking, biking, Bakunin, Bacon, bacon, bani, akin, bakings, balking, banking, basking, bikinis, braking, and baling.
00:18 <spidey> >.<
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> see? it's an animation!
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> loving that thing, eh?
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else are you gonna do when you find out the drupal module you've been reading code for so you can figure out how to import from mediawiki to drupal without irritating anybody DOESN'T FUCKING WORK?
00:19 <spidey> LOL
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think my time is better wasted finding out the patch for the paypal_subscription module doesn't work
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> yep, definitely better wasted that way
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> sorry GodTodd , looks like the damn paypal subscription thing doesn't work
00:22 * Lucifer_arma goes to look for a downloadable products module
00:24 <GodTodd> hrmm
00:24 <GodTodd> that sucks
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> look on the bright side, though. I can make cool irc animations!
00:28 <guru3> email should be active soon x)
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I installed the ecommerce module, but I haven't the foggiest how to use it
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll release an EP printed and burned here at home and see how that does, and learn how to use the damn ecommerce module
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> any, GodTodd, try creating a File Download product using create content from the admin pages
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> see if you can make any sense out of it. The path for it is the same as the path for regular file attachments, so theoretically you can upload the file with the regular uploader.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn I must be sleepy, leaving off whole syllab from words.
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that doesn't actually work, then I"ll have to put up an ftp server or make you a shell account or something
00:40 <GodTodd> hmmm....file download should be a choice in create content?
00:41 <GodTodd> or do like story and go from there?
00:49 <GodTodd> nvm...working on a test
00:53 <GodTodd> hrmm...how long should it take to upload an .odt?
00:57 <spidey> #g 69 euros in usd
00:58 <armabot> 69 Euros = 88.4373 U.S. dollars
00:58 <spidey> bah
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> should be pretty quick
01:01 <GodTodd> and the little barber pole thing will stop when it's done, right?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 euro in USD
01:01 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.2817 U.S. dollars
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> um, I don't know, GodTodd. The page will reload though.
01:01 <GodTodd> hrmmm
01:02 <GodTodd> let me try it again
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it in the right location
01:02 <GodTodd> bah...no wonder The selected file Who's to blame.odt can not be attached to this post, because it is only possible to attach files with the following extensions: jpg jpeg gif png txt html doc xls pdf ppt pps gz.
01:02 <GodTodd> can't do an OO doc
01:02 <GodTodd> heh
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> powerpoint? but not odt???
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
01:02 <GodTodd> yep
01:05 <spidey> #g 39 euros in usd
01:05 <armabot> 39 Euros = 49.9863 U.S. dollars
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try again
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> should be able to put that up there, but no ppt doc or xls :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I changed the default wiki filter to be the mediawiki one, watch for it! :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> mediawiki makes more sense than phpWiki, imo.
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 pound in USD
01:07 <armabot> 1 British pound = 1.8933 U.S. dollars
01:08 <GodTodd> k...check it
01:09 <spidey> #g $29.95+$69
01:09 <armabot> (US$ 29.95) + (US$ 69) = 98.95 U.S. dollars
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's there
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I, of course, can download it, heh
01:10 <GodTodd> yep
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> soooooo, using the regular upload mechanism is going to make the file available for download
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> which is reasonable :)
01:13 <GodTodd> yeah..that works :)
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> where's the add to cart button?
01:16 <GodTodd> ?
01:18 <GodTodd> is there supposed to be one?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> how do you buy it?
01:18 <spidey> lmao
01:19 <spidey> don't you have to have the cart module?
01:20 <spidey> something like
01:20 <spidey> cubecart
01:20 <GodTodd> well it would make sense to have one :)
01:21 <spidey> here
01:21 <spidey> http://oscommerce.com/
01:21 <GodTodd> also...if you just click on 'products' the list is blank
01:21 <GodTodd> dunno if that's a bug or feature....i'm a windoze user after all ;)
01:21 <spidey> it's even gnu
01:21 <spidey> so luci should be happy
01:21 <spidey> :p
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> oscommerce is the suck-ass
01:22 <spidey> http://www.zen-cart.com/
01:23 <GodTodd> is this what you're using? http://drupal.org/project/ecommerce
01:27 <GodTodd> cuz...that sounds pretty inclusive....
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> there we go
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I"m using
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> you need to open the > Products section of the node and select the product type. It was set to "not a product". :)
01:28 <GodTodd> hrmm?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> go to edit the node, there's a product section, Product, with some choices in there.
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta go work on dinner, bbiab
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm i don't have that option :P
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06:39 <Lucifer_arma> lee will probably trim the living ass out of it and I'll hate him for it, but they only get a month on it. Then I can post it on my own site unedited. :)
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06:40 <GodTodd> and i definitely want to let teasers out on any books i post because you never know when/if an agent or publishing house lackey will stumble on it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the catch is, after you publish it here, a publishing house doesn't want it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> you might do a little googling on the subject before getting too happy about it to see exactly what it'll do for you
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, T2 article sent, now I have closure. I can proceed with Linux in a car. :)
06:45 <GodTodd> right...but you figure that most of the beginning novels for authors don't go anywhere anyway
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means I have to create linux in a car first.
06:46 <GodTodd> lol
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> until after they die, that is. :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing. If newsforge doesn't want to buy my linux in a car articles (which I already queried them so I'm obligated to give it to them first), I put them on the site
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> if I can put them on the site, we'll get thousands of hits after I submit links to a few strategic places, and the traffic from that will stay with us for awhile.
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, let's wait and see if newsforge buys them after I write the first one.
06:49 <GodTodd> http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=960
06:49 <GodTodd> granted...he's a well established writer....but the market is there
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> yes and yes
06:52 <GodTodd> not to mention the obvious example of the baen library :)
06:53 <GodTodd> where eric flint has noticed steadily climbing sales since opening his library there
06:53 * Lucifer_arma gets a guilty look on his face
06:53 * Lucifer_arma has spent a pretty penny over there :)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> finally broke down and bought the rest of the Belisarius series :)
06:54 <GodTodd> The method works, says Eric, because it is just like a traditional library: it encourages readers to explore new authors before asking them to pay.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, there's a man who knows what's in store for writers
06:54 <GodTodd> yep
06:54 <GodTodd> that's why i see it as an opportunity :)
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and why we still need publishers in a world where anybody can publish anytime
06:55 <GodTodd> i think ebooks are going to diminish the importance of the big houses
06:55 <GodTodd> they'll still be there, sure, but not as big
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> absolutely. The focus is shifting even now to quality writing and lots of it
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> the big houses are just like the big record companies and moviemakers and stuff
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> fat, lazy, and don't want to waste their time making good stuff when they know they can sell the crap they've got
06:56 <GodTodd> exhibit A: romance novels
06:56 <GodTodd> :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well they're going to be pretty lean by the time this is all over, assuming there's anything left of them. :)
06:56 <GodTodd> just look at hollywood anymore...i dare you to find 5 original ideas
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I actually tried to read a romance novel. My kids bought it for me because it had a horse on it, and I felt duty-bound to read it.
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd find the 5 original ideas, but they're buried in classic literature
06:57 <GodTodd> that have been put out in the last year?
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> if it had been put out in the last year, it wouldn't be classic!
06:57 <GodTodd> exactly
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:58 <GodTodd> they're making sequels to movies that shouldn't have had a first ;)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you mean like Toy Story 3?
06:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:59 <GodTodd> yeah
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I'm a little behind with movies. That's to be expected, I've been boycotting the MPAA for a few years now.
06:59 <GodTodd> or santa clause 3
06:59 <GodTodd> http://www.planetebook.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=362 < ----- all i really need to know about the future of books and publishing :)
07:00 <GodTodd> though it does confuse the issue with *gasp* facts
07:00 <GodTodd> ;)
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Home Alone 3? I guess that's a pretty old movie now
07:00 <GodTodd> yeah
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Rocky 5 :)
07:01 <GodTodd> ghostbusters 2?
07:01 <GodTodd> ;)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's just one, maybe two movies that shouldn't have been made, but I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 rockies
07:02 <GodTodd> they weren't bad
07:02 <GodTodd> The Library's track record shows clearly that the traditional "encryption/enforcement" policy which has been followed thus far by most of the publishing industry is just plain stupid, as well as unconscionable from the viewpoint of infringing on personal liberties.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, and they were progressivly not-so-good, too
07:03 <GodTodd> truly
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, it just strikes me as bad business to take the assumption that all of your customers are thieves
07:03 <Luke-Jr> Equilibrium was a decent movie
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't seriously buy in to the idea that the 1% or so of people that will legitimately purchase something and then copy it for thousands of people can ruin it for the rest of us
07:04 <GodTodd> you read any flint?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> those people that download copies of something without ever buying it were never customers to begin with and you've lost nothing
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, I've read a fair amount of flint
07:04 <GodTodd> mother of demons?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> he did most of the writing on the Belisarius Series, after all. :)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not any fantasy. Not interested anymore.
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Umm, 1632 and 1633 were pretty good
07:05 <GodTodd> in 2 years it went from a sell through of 54% up to 65%
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Pyramid Scheme ws awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> look, I've gotten hours and hours of good reading from the free library, and I've put out for their ebooks because of it.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> You're preaching to the choir as far as baen is concerned.
07:06 <GodTodd> exactly the premise behind it
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Man, I just reread the March Upcountry series for like the third time. I really love that series.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> first two books are in the library. I've only got the third on paper, but I can give you a copy of the fourth.
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I downloaded the palm prc files. :)
07:07 <GodTodd> it's just a perfect example of how putting some/most/all of my stuff up for free will help me more, imo, than writing 10 query letters a month to agents
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, I got 1633 the same way. A nice guy on slashdot hooked me up.
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think Mr Flint's doing any bitching about it either because that's what we've always done!
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Hey Todd, check out this book, it's fucking cool!" "Oh yeah? Let me read it"
07:09 <GodTodd> nah...hell he said that the library is no different than borrowing books from friends
07:09 <GodTodd> hell...you got me into Koontz way back when
07:09 <GodTodd> well...most of the people i read before actually
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's exactly what it is, and exactly how it works. I borrow the first couple of books in the series from you and catch up, I can either wait until you're finished or buy my own.
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <GodTodd> that's why i hate the record companies too...i believe cd sales are up after p2p
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think keeping a personal copy doesn't change the basic problem for readers. The problem is after you've borrowed the book, what do you do now? You loved it, right? You want more, don't you?
07:10 <GodTodd> i'd have to research it but i think i'm right
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> you can't borrow forever!
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> Actually I've done a fair amount of research on it.
07:10 <GodTodd> exactly
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> Up until about 2003, the record companies saw record-breaking sales pretty much every year.
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> In 2003 they didn't. They saw a 30% drop in sales. They went running around "Oh those *evil* pirates!"
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> of course, they didn't bother mentioning there was a corresponding 30% drop in *production*
07:11 <GodTodd> well...the 'pirates' were around before 2003
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> but they had to file their SEC reports just like every other publicly traded company
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, they used to bitch loud and proud and then quietly file away to the SEC
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> then folks started printing those reports. A little FOIA goes a long way, you know. Besides, the SEC sticks 'em on the web anyway.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> So they paid for a bunch of studies to be done with some downright screwy math to determine how much money they were losing to piracy.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> Of course, the independent studies that were either done independently or paid for by consumer groups (which I've dug up before) all said the same thing:
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> on average, people who used P2P software bought 1 more CD each month
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> That's 12 CDs *on average* per year
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> THe record companies said there were somewhere around 30 million evil-doers?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 = 360,000,000
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> So 360 billion cd sales generated by P2P trading
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, record companies get about $5 profit on each disc sold (according to courtney love)
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12 * 5
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 * 5 = 1,800,000,000
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> now who wouldn't object to that kind of revenue? Of course, my own math is wonkety, the record industry was *never* that big
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're cut is less than I'm crediting here, hmmmm
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, the issue isn't about whether or not they make any money at it
07:16 <GodTodd> still...i'd take it
07:16 <GodTodd> :)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> the issue is about the fact that record companies control the entire distribution and marketing chain, and by controlling that, they control the musicians themselves
07:16 <GodTodd> but the issue is whether they *lose* money
07:16 <GodTodd> and they don't
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but here comes the internet! That's a distribution and marketing avenue they *don't* control--can't control!
07:17 <GodTodd> yep...it's organic
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> and what happens when that happens? All those indie labels they've been trying to sue into the ground and crush in other ways finally get a reprieve
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> all those indie bands that have been making a decent living because they never signed the 6-record slave contract with a major now have a chance at real stardom
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> and that is a very serious threat to the big guys
07:18 <GodTodd> we've gone through too much time with big companies in all entertainment venues telling us what's good...we've been choosing 'what sucks less'
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> very profound
07:19 <GodTodd> there are a lot of writers, for instance, that could write circles around the published authors, i'm sure
07:19 <GodTodd> but the houses say they're not marketable therefore we never hear of them
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, hard to say. In some fields, certainly. I tend to stick with sci-fi, which is usually pretty good.
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> and you've got to remember, the publishing business is old. Not as old as the printing press, but at least since the mid-19th century. The record companies are still kids by comparison.
07:20 <GodTodd> hell...1632, as of 2002, had sold 34,000 paperback copies....it was in the free library simultaneously
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> publishers already saw the internet come and have been dealing with it since the '80s.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure, in the '80s it was mostly academic journals that were *embracing* the internet, the rest fell in in the 90s
07:21 <GodTodd> ahhh....cool...he does a royalty period breakdown of An Oblique Approach
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> but there's another large difference. In the music business, the bands that talk about piracy are the ones who are either really rich already, or are going to lose their contract if they don't spit the party line
07:22 <GodTodd> i think it's more the latter
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> in the publishing business, it's writers that are bitching
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, Metallica was all selfish about it, and they're the most visible band I know of that actually had nothing to lose and everything to gain by jumping on the p2p bandwagon
07:23 <GodTodd> i know....i lost a *lot* of respect for them
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they *got* their stardom by encouraging people to pirate their shit!
07:23 <GodTodd> exactly
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> when they released that crap album they got a bunch of people in Madison Square Gardens to listen to it, right?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> And they had their special "plug in to the mixer right here" post for people to *record* the damn thing.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> a studio album!
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> then lars ulrich comes along and says "no, the deal never included studio albums, it only included concerts"
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> fucking liar
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to meet up with him just so I can say I don't pay the danegeld
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> millions for defense, not one fucking cent for tribute!
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> don't give the dane any money or you'll never get rid of the bastard!
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hey, speaking of Danes, you know King Diamond lives around you, right?
07:25 <GodTodd> hey....i'm danish :P
07:26 <GodTodd> partly
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i read that somewhere
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I used to have this as my email signature:
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I slipped inside the oval office, I slipped in oh so fast.
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> Grabbed the president by the necktie and wiped my funky ass
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I sent an email to my mother-in-law and she freaked out. haha.
07:28 <GodTodd> haha
07:30 <GodTodd> this is an awesome article....i'm bookmarking it
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07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...KD lives in Dallas
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, looks like the article rating stuff is finally appearing again. :)
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <GodTodd> wow...in this interview KD is actually sounding like an atheist
07:42 <GodTodd> and a freakin' chatterbox
07:42 <GodTodd> heh
07:47 <GodTodd> But if car dealers followed the moronic practices of most publishers (and, to the best of my knowledge, the entire music recording industry) they would sternly refuse to let anyone even sit in one of their cars-much less give it a test drive-unless they'd already paid for it.
07:47 <GodTodd> nice point
07:47 <GodTodd> flint again
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08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6031 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp:
08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6018 to 6030:
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08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Reenabled assertions in Check(), they should work now.
08:29 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/fortress/side_chutes-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
08:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr fix your admin panel
08:41 <spidey> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7242016 bytes) in /var/www/localhost/aa-admin/log.php on line 25
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: more tweaks on the stylesheet :)
09:56 <GodTodd> wanted the store link to be more noticeable? ;)
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. I'm about to move it and get rid of the primary links, though.
10:00 <GodTodd> ah
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> although it might be nice to put the nice-menu up there
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> the paypal link is going away too. Probably doesn't work anyway.
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10:01 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though. I fooled with the margins
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
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10:02 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though. I fooled with the margins
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> also, the backup job is running right now, web server will be slow during it
10:03 <GodTodd> blah..i missed some of that i think
10:03 <GodTodd> stupid fingers
10:03 <GodTodd> heh
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I repeted myself when you got back
10:03 <GodTodd> ah ok :)
10:03 <GodTodd> and the paypal link does go to 'send money'
10:04 <GodTodd> tho i agree the nicemenu might look neato up there
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah fuck. er.
10:05 <GodTodd> trouble?
10:05 <GodTodd> erm
10:05 <GodTodd> yeah
10:05 <GodTodd> heh
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> fucking paypal link was really huge
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> ACK!
10:08 <GodTodd> ummmm....
10:08 <GodTodd> wow? ;)
10:08 <GodTodd> even my blind ass can read that menu
10:08 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> almost there....
10:10 <GodTodd> just about :)
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> so much for float right
10:11 <GodTodd> heh
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> success!
10:16 <GodTodd> :)
10:18 * GodTodd decides not to point out the extraneous grey line. ;)
10:19 <GodTodd> hrmm...just add more menu items? cover it up :)
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I like that line, sorry
10:20 <GodTodd> heh
10:20 <GodTodd> that's cool :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> here we go, I think this'll do it
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> I lied, completely and utterly
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea what that extraneous white line is
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it's finally how I want it
10:28 <GodTodd> heh
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> looks good in konqueror too
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you log out, you'll notice that in order to move from content to that navigation bar, you have to go over the google banner :)
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> now I need all the links that are currently green to turn blue
10:30 <GodTodd> heh
10:30 <GodTodd> that should be easy enough
10:30 <GodTodd> maybe
10:32 <GodTodd> that's the thing about web site design....fixes and tweaks are either really easy or really hard
10:32 <GodTodd> heh
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> there, that's nice. Now I just need to find the headings...
10:33 <GodTodd> wow...blends in nicely now :)
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now check it
10:35 <GodTodd> nice :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> ty :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> now I better quit fucking with it before I break it
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> you know, sleep on it and see how I like it tomorrow
10:36 <GodTodd> that's usually the undoing of my site....i think 'just one more tweak'
10:36 <GodTodd> heh
10:36 <GodTodd> then all i get is a broke ass site til i feel like fixing it
10:36 <GodTodd> :)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep. been there, done that. My site sat like that for a loooong time. Just one more tweak and it broke, and when I went back to fix it I had to do one more tweak again, rinse and repeat
10:37 <GodTodd> yep
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> the footer is the next thing that needs real attention, but it won't be tonight
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I've got to go through all the modules and figure out what to do about headings again.
10:38 <GodTodd> whatcha gonna do to the footer?
10:38 <GodTodd> make it not stick out so much?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, there's no home link in the menu bar, and I made the one at the top unobviously a home link
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the footer needs to shrink quite a bit and become a link to the copyright page that doesn't exist.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> you could do that stuff if you wanted. :) The footer text is in settings in the admin page.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking the copyright part and the creative commons badge should stay, and have a link to the "copyright page" which should contain another informal discussion that includes the translation stuff
10:40 <GodTodd> ah....oh and one thing...we need to change the creative commons license link from 1.0 at the end to 2.5
10:40 <GodTodd> that's the new one
10:40 <GodTodd> small matter :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahahahahaha
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> shows you how much I check with my lawyer :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got a home link now on the menu bar
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually very similar to the layout it had when I used my own custom cms before I used mambo. Weird.
10:44 <GodTodd> heh
10:44 <GodTodd> ok...linked to the new license
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, if we stay with * Stupid Website, then the only thing that has to change is the title at the top
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> which is the title of the site. :/
10:45 <GodTodd> i guess it depends on how clever we want to get with it....and that kind of defeats the wole message we're trying to send ;)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> the favicon could use a better rendition, it's not just a guitar thing anymore. And the sextant is pretentious as hell, but it was all I could find that nobody would understand. :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> people probably think it's a cannon or something, heh
10:46 <GodTodd> heh
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, the site was originally "Dave's Stupid Website". I added the Fancella so people would have to learn how to spell it, and so it would feel more personal
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> we could reasonably return back to that old name
10:48 <GodTodd> true
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it gets away from the "This is Dave Fancella's site and only his" message the current title carries and otherwise feels exactly that same
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> it also conveniently doesn't require another article talking about the site. :)
10:49 <GodTodd> heh
10:50 <GodTodd> should we change the default time on the site or keep it at GMT?
10:50 <GodTodd> or do we care?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> um, default is gmt?
10:50 <GodTodd> yep
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> may as well keep it gmt then. If people want it localized, they can register themselves.
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> There's a module that uses some javascript to get the user's locale from the browser we might consider using
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> worst case it doesn't work and they get gmt anyway
10:51 <GodTodd> true
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> only works for logged in users
10:52 <GodTodd> bah...there were like 4 places to change that damn license number
10:52 <GodTodd> heh
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so it's neat, but not terribly useful, and I'm not in a hurry to add a module and take the performance hit that goes with it for that
10:53 <GodTodd> yeah...it's not that big a deal...they get local time if they register :)
10:53 <GodTodd> so...you just want to take it to "Dave's Stupid Website" then?
10:54 <GodTodd> while i'm here
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> sure, you want to do that or try to think up something better?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, may as well change it while you're there, and if we come up with something better we can burn that bridge then
10:55 <GodTodd> there
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit, I'm liking this blue a lot. This site's been green, pink, brick, black, but this blue feels really good.
10:56 <GodTodd> i like the blue
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's 4am and I need to stop trying to tweak the site, so I'm going to bed :)
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah...i should too...6:30 comes awful early
10:57 <GodTodd> heh
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> we need to think about collaboratively authoring something at some point since the tool is right there to do it.
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:57 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
10:58 <GodTodd> #night
10:58 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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11:22 <guru3> grr hope i didn't just kill my linux install on my desktop :S
11:30 <guru3> seems not
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15:52 <wrtlprnft> do i have any messages from ph?
15:52 <wrtlprnft> looks like I don't
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18:27 <Luke-Jr> hope nobody minds
18:28 <Luke-Jr> I'm about to backport fixes to 0.3.0 branch and tag a 0.3.0.1
18:28 <Luke-Jr> if someone wants to repeat that for Lucifer_arma, he might be interested
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18:58 <TiTnAsS> yo
18:58 <TiTnAsS> wheres luke jr
19:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:00 <TiTnAsS> yo
19:00 <TiTnAsS> are u still hosting the server?
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i'm no longer in !LOL!
19:01 <Luke-Jr> last I checked
19:01 <TiTnAsS> so shut it down
19:01 <TiTnAsS> '
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i turned it off
19:01 <TiTnAsS> and delete settings
19:01 <TiTnAsS> last month
19:01 <TiTnAsS> this month*
19:01 <TiTnAsS> it was only up for 2 days
19:01 <Luke-Jr> I charge per-month, not per-day
19:02 <TiTnAsS> good
19:02 <TiTnAsS> no charges then
19:02 <Luke-Jr> 2 days is the same as the full month
19:02 <TiTnAsS> llol
19:03 <Luke-Jr> so I'm still expecting that money order or however you plan to pay
19:03 <TiTnAsS> bullshit
19:03 <TiTnAsS> talk to !LOL! clan
19:03 <TiTnAsS> it was their server
19:03 <Luke-Jr> you obviously don't live in the real world
19:03 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:03 <Luke-Jr> it was your server, it had your name
19:03 <TiTnAsS> i live in lala land
19:03 <TiTnAsS> atleast you have a nice site
19:03 <TiTnAsS> you should give me 10 free months
19:03 <TiTnAsS> for that nice site
19:03 <Luke-Jr> try using a cell phone for 1 second and arguing not being charged for the minute
19:03 <Luke-Jr> that site sucks, BTW
19:03 <TiTnAsS> hahaha
19:03 <TiTnAsS> calm down man
19:04 <TiTnAsS> geezus..
19:04 <TiTnAsS> want me to get a person to buy hosting or someting from u?
19:04 <Luke-Jr> sure, if you can
19:04 <TiTnAsS> nah... its ok
19:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:04 <TiTnAsS> why are u charging for a free game?
19:04 <TiTnAsS> it hought tron was free
19:04 <TiTnAsS> i never expected you to actually want the money
19:04 <Luke-Jr> free is not gratis
19:05 <Luke-Jr> I have bills too
19:05 <TiTnAsS> 2 days?
19:05 <Luke-Jr> servers don't come free
19:05 <TiTnAsS> its hosted on your house comp
19:05 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:05 <Luke-Jr> billing is per month
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it isn't
19:05 <TiTnAsS> it lagged like it was
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it's hosted in a server room in Chicago
19:05 <TiTnAsS> jk
19:05 <TiTnAsS> how bout i give you a cookie
19:05 <Luke-Jr> a cookie doesn't pay the bills
19:06 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you .50 cents
19:06 <TiTnAsS> for each day
19:06 <Luke-Jr> try paying your cell company for 1 second instead of 1 minute, or anyone else
19:06 <TiTnAsS> my cellphone company doesn't count any calls under 10 seconds
19:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:06 <Luke-Jr> most do
19:06 <TiTnAsS> not mine
19:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe because you pay for service
19:07 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:07 <TiTnAsS> they dont count a minute as 10 seconds
19:07 <TiTnAsS> atleast i told you that i was done with it
19:07 <Luke-Jr> most do, and you're paying them monthly either way
19:07 <TiTnAsS> before a month passed
19:08 <Luke-Jr> anyway, you started service on July 30th
19:09 <Luke-Jr> today is Aug 8
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped it
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> that's 9 days
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you should check the last time i logged in
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped the service
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> service isn't canncelled by non-use
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i tried going on irc alot
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you nevver responded
19:09 <TiTnAsS> ur fault
19:09 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:09 <TiTnAsS> sense
19:09 <Luke-Jr> you could have left a messagewe have a bot
19:09 <Luke-Jr> even if I wasn't here, the bot keeps messages
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont use irc that much
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont know the bot shit
19:10 <TiTnAsS> well someone left u messages with th ebot
19:10 <Luke-Jr> either way, I'm always here
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u get them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> check ur notes or something
19:10 <TiTnAsS> wrtl or someone left notes for u
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u seep them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> #Notes luke-jr
19:10 <armabot> TiTnAsS: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
19:10 <TiTnAsS> he made them
19:10 <TiTnAsS> i know he di
19:10 <TiTnAsS> d
19:11 <TiTnAsS> yt?
19:12 <[dlh]> #realchatlogs
19:12 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:12 <Luke-Jr> TiTnAsS: yes, I got those
19:12 <Luke-Jr> and then you changed your mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> no i didnt
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i never changed my mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> are u on crack?
19:12 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 15:45:48 <armabot> Sent 4 hours and 37 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i still said i wanted to cancel
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:45 <TitsnAss> i just need to keep it up
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:50 <TitsnAss> i'll even throw a few bucks
19:13 <TiTnAsS> when did i say that
19:13 <Luke-Jr> then you went on to talk about payment
19:13 <Luke-Jr> look at the timestamps
19:13 <TiTnAsS> i said i'll pay only a couple dollars
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not ur overpricing
19:14 <TiTnAsS> give up i'm not paying
19:14 <Luke-Jr> my prices are fair
19:14 <Luke-Jr> I even offered you a deal
19:14 <TiTnAsS> 15 bucks?
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:26 <Luke-Jr> sigh, fine. $15/mo
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:31 <TitsnAss> SWEET
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:33 <TitsnAss> :D
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:37 <TitsnAss> let me work on the money order
19:14 <TiTnAsS> that was when iw as in clan
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not in clan anymore
19:14 <Luke-Jr> that was the deal
19:14 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:14 <TiTnAsS> too baddddd
19:15 <TiTnAsS> anyways
19:15 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you some free hosting if uw ant?
19:15 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:15 <TiTnAsS> its better hosting than u guys give
19:16 <TiTnAsS> later man
19:16 <Luke-Jr> I don't need hosting
19:16 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u a itunes certificate code?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> useless to me
19:16 <TiTnAsS> softwarE?
19:16 <TiTnAsS> music?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:16 <TiTnAsS> videos?
19:17 <Luke-Jr> how about just paying?
19:17 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i dont want to waste money on a tron server
19:17 <TiTnAsS> thats really stupid
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:17 <TiTnAsS> now i disagree
19:17 <TiTnAsS> be nice and i'll buy one in the month of NEVER
19:17 <Luke-Jr> the deal was already made
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you owe me $15
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i never signed a contract
19:18 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay you next year
19:18 <Luke-Jr> verbal agreement has the same weight as a contract if it can be proven
19:18 <Luke-Jr> and I happen to log everything
19:18 <TiTnAsS> first you have to pay me 15 bucks for the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'm charging you
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never wanted your site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never agreed to buy it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> no I didn't
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <TiTnAsS> yeah u did
19:18 <TiTnAsS> u said make the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> and givec the link
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I offered you a deal on reselling, and you made the site for your own use to resell with
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad stop crying
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'm not paying
19:19 <TiTnAsS> seeya
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 15 bucks when i can
19:19 <TiTnAsS> do u have paypal?
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> whats the email
19:19 <TiTnAsS> are u paypal verified
19:19 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org>
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> dashjr.is-a-geek.org?
19:20 <TiTnAsS> wtf...
19:20 <TiTnAsS> make a less complicating email that is verified
19:20 <Luke-Jr> yes, it's an old email specifically for paypal
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it works fine
19:20 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:20 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 5 bucks
19:20 <TiTnAsS> since i didn't even have service for a month
19:20 <TiTnAsS> plus ur server was lagging too much
19:20 <TiTnAsS> everyone was complaining that you were downloading pr0n
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it was not, I was there
19:20 <TiTnAsS> during nights
19:21 <TiTnAsS> evertyone complainining
19:21 <TiTnAsS> their pings spiked high
19:21 <TiTnAsS> more than usual
19:21 <TiTnAsS> you must of been downloading something
19:21 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:21 <TiTnAsS> sense.
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I would download from home, not from a remote server that I can't directly access
19:21 <TiTnAsS> the server wa slagging
19:21 <TiTnAsS> alot
19:21 <Luke-Jr> which would only affect my ping, nobody elses
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I was there, don't talk bs
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them
19:21 <Luke-Jr> $7 and I'll call it paid
19:22 <TiTnAsS> i said 5?
19:22 <TiTnAsS> u know i can just go away
19:22 <TiTnAsS> and not pay
19:22 <TiTnAsS> it woudln't matter at all to me
19:22 <Luke-Jr> $5 service + $2 for setup/putting up with you/paypal-takes-some-out
19:22 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:23 <TiTnAsS> could i get 5 bucks back for the sucky server?
19:23 <Luke-Jr> the server works great
19:23 <TiTnAsS> haahahahahaahahaahahahahahaaaahaha
19:23 <Luke-Jr> now are you going to pay the $15 you owe me or settle with $7?
19:23 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay nothing
19:24 <TiTnAsS> and be happy with that
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll regret it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> really?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:24 <TiTnAsS> how would i?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to mailbomb me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to flood my ip?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are you going to stock me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to start pinging my ip?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> it's spelled stalk, btw
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so ur going to stalk me now?/
19:24 <Luke-Jr> no
19:24 <TiTnAsS> grow up
19:24 <Luke-Jr> just telling you how to spell it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so how will i regret it
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be hated more on the tron community?
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be deleted from the forums
19:25 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out if you don't pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> tell me now
19:25 <TiTnAsS> it will help me pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> for something i never liked
19:26 <Luke-Jr> I haven't decided
19:26 <Luke-Jr> nonsense, if you didn't like it you wouldn't have been begging to get it
19:27 <TiTnAsS> ???????
19:27 <TiTnAsS> you make me laugh
19:28 <Luke-Jr> I'll report you for non-payment in your credit rating
19:29 <TiTnAsS> you dont have any info on me
19:29 <TiTnAsS> : >
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that's what you think
19:30 <TiTnAsS> tell me one thing about me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> other than my name
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and i'll pay you
19:30 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and if you cant tell me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> i dont pay u
19:30 <Luke-Jr> you'll pay me the full $15?
19:30 <TiTnAsS> 7 bucks
19:31 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 29
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 18
19:31 * Luke-Jr ponders whether to take the $7 or credit report
19:31 <TiTnAsS> rofl
19:31 <TiTnAsS> dont try to black mail
19:31 <Luke-Jr> lol, you're better off paying the $7... I might just go ahead and report you
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i doubt you knew anything on me
19:31 <Luke-Jr> it's not blackmail
19:31 <TiTnAsS> no
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me something
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay
19:31 <TiTnAsS> if u dont know anyhtin gabou mt
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i dont have to tell u anything
19:32 <TiTnAsS> SEEYA
19:32 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds like i said
19:32 <TiTnAsS> to find out sommething about me
19:32 <Luke-Jr> like I said, I'll just credit report you
19:32 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:32 <TiTnAsS> thanks
19:32 <TiTnAsS> seeeya
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19:33 <TiTnAsS> ok you made me feel bad
19:34 <TiTnAsS> whats ur paypal again
19:34 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org
19:34 <TiTnAsS> expect it sometime this week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> or next week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> depending whenever the account gets verified
19:34 <TiTnAsS> seeya
19:34 -!- TiTnAsS [n=TiTnAsS@c-24-5-242-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
19:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
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20:04 * spidey slaps joe
20:06 * DrJoeTron hates spidey
20:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: TNA is stupid *rant rant*
20:12 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: guess who finally showed up to cancel his service-- and refuse to pay
20:14 <spidey> lol
20:14 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:14 <spidey> yay
20:14 <spidey> there's people in both servers :D
20:15 <spidey> btw luke, i took the money out today so it should be in paypal 3-4 days
20:16 <Luke-Jr> took money out? wha? o.O
20:17 <spidey> you have to take money out the bank and put it in paypal before you have anything in paypal
20:17 <spidey> you know?
20:18 <spidey> hmm
20:18 <spidey> <pre></pre> doesn't work worth a shit >.<
20:20 <Luke-Jr> spidey: erm, usually when you click the button it lets you set it up to automatically pull it from an account
20:21 <Luke-Jr> <pre> does exactly what it's supposed to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> which isn't something you'd often want to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I keep a balance of $0 in Paypal and have it automatically transfer anything I want to spend
20:28 <DrJoeTron> oh i know hwo
20:28 <DrJoeTron> lucifer
20:28 <DrJoeTron> right?
20:28 <DrJoeTron> :D
20:32 <spidey> amd
20:32 <spidey> and
20:32 <spidey> pre preformats
20:32 <spidey> so like you load a textdoc,instead of opening and <center> all that shit just <pre>include</pre>
20:33 <DrJoeTron> told you it was a bad idea to have tit be a client
20:33 <spidey> ya
20:33 <DrJoeTron> id rather talk to a dead guy
20:33 <DrJoeTron> because i know the outcome at least
20:33 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:33 <spidey> then again i hate him
20:34 <DrJoeTron> brb
20:34 <spidey> sue him!
20:34 <spidey> then sue DrJoeTron for not telling you it'd be a bad idea
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20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> does NOT preformat-- everything else does
20:50 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: yeah, well at least I gave him a hard time and insisting on his paying
20:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> means the content is already formatted
20:52 <spidey> >.<
20:52 <spidey> i just read his logs
20:52 <spidey> he's a moron
20:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:52 <spidey> the server doesn't lag
20:52 <spidey> if they did mine would
20:52 <spidey> and mkzelda had less lag in the one i get from you than he did in the one i got on the webserver
20:52 <spidey> then again his isp was fucked up
20:54 <Luke-Jr> yeah
20:54 <Luke-Jr> brain lag maybe ;)
20:54 <spidey> lol
20:54 <spidey> tits thinks he has a t3
20:55 <spidey> if he did he could host a shitload of tron servers from his house
20:55 <spidey> he's a moron :D
20:55 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:55 <Luke-Jr> I told him my server was on a T1
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and then he expects to serve off webpages with 500 KByte pages
20:55 <spidey> cable is faster
20:55 <spidey> t1 is just more stable
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and is surprised when he learns that T3 is up to 1.5 MBit
20:55 <Luke-Jr> T1 has better upload
20:56 <spidey> nah
20:56 <spidey> t1 = 1.5 mbit up and down
20:56 <Luke-Jr> ya
20:56 <spidey> i'll be getting that when they upgrade the plans out here
20:56 <Luke-Jr> cable never has even 1mbit up
20:56 <spidey> and when this other isp gets out here
20:56 <spidey> oh ya?
20:56 <spidey> what's that plan versizon has
20:56 <Luke-Jr> FIOS isn't cable
20:56 <spidey> 15mbit down and 2mbit up
20:56 <spidey> >.<
20:57 <spidey> anyways
20:57 <spidey> if it's unmetered it does :p
20:57 <Luke-Jr> TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <Luke-Jr> like Your_mom
20:57 <spidey> mom did something to?
20:57 <Luke-Jr> eh?
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) like Your_mom
20:57 <Luke-Jr> I mean in personality and player skillz
20:57 <spidey> oh
20:57 <Luke-Jr> now mom is much more technical, IMO
20:57 <Luke-Jr> and TNA just dumb
20:58 <Luke-Jr> wtf happened?
20:58 <spidey> haha
20:58 <spidey> he's said that tron wouldn't be shit without him inventing doublebinding
20:58 <spidey> which made me laugh :D
20:58 <Luke-Jr> rofl
20:59 <spidey> i only learned to doublebind 2months after i started playing
20:59 <spidey> and by then i was already good
20:59 * Luke-Jr should play well more often
20:59 <Luke-Jr> usually when I play, I don't do it seriously =p
20:59 <spidey> lol
20:59 <Luke-Jr> it got boring a number of months ago
21:00 <spidey> i've been playing a year
21:00 <spidey> the only thing i like anymore is fortress
21:00 <spidey> well
21:00 <spidey> a year aug. 21st
21:00 <Luke-Jr> I don't care for vanilla fortress
21:00 <spidey> i think
21:00 <wrtlprnft> what did tna want again?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> he woke me somehow
21:00 <Luke-Jr> just wild fortress, deathmatch, and sty variants
21:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: TNA is trying to get by not paying again
21:01 <spidey> i like wild fort
21:01 <spidey> but i lagg like hell there
21:01 <spidey> :(
21:01 <Luke-Jr> :/
21:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: BTW, I hope you've started using your config files instead of just remote admin
21:04 <Luke-Jr> in case you haven't noticed, I do restart Arma servers when nobody's on them
21:04 <Luke-Jr> eg, for upgrades
21:05 <spidey> i always used the config files
21:05 <spidey> for anything i wanna keep
21:05 <spidey> for onetime settings i just remote admin
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:05 <Luke-Jr> I noticed the other day, there was no shooting enabled
21:05 <spidey> ya i changed it to dogfighting
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft did you make a deathzone on the u.s.fortress?
21:06 <Luke-Jr> do you still want the shooting server?
21:06 <spidey> yea,i'll use it sometimes
21:06 <Luke-Jr> ok
21:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
21:06 <spidey> does it have respawning?
21:06 <spidey> hmm
21:06 <spidey> someone changed it to deathzone,lol
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i hate deathzones, they're so pointless
21:06 <spidey> unless they grow
21:06 <Luke-Jr> deathzones aren't useless!
21:07 <spidey> which i tried setting the expansion to 2
21:07 <Luke-Jr> pointless*
21:07 <spidey> but it kept reverting to 0
21:07 <spidey> i don't even have a everytime.cfg >.<
21:07 <Luke-Jr> O.o
21:07 <wrtlprnft> deathzones that appear randomly are useless
21:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:07 <spidey> not if they have expansion
21:07 <spidey> it's like a timelimit
21:08 <Luke-Jr> arma supports time limits
21:08 <spidey> yes,but i'd rather watch someone slap a deathzone
21:08 <spidey> :p
21:08 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:08 <wrtlprnft> it would be better to spawn a zombie for everyone :P
21:08 <spidey> hmm
21:08 <spidey> but then you can't kill them
21:08 <spidey> wait
21:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr is there a way to make shots only work on zombies?
21:09 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I imagine so
21:09 <spidey> hm
21:09 <Luke-Jr> I can't say I have interest in doing it =p
21:09 <spidey> lol
21:09 <Luke-Jr> unless you make it sound fun maybe, but then I might not have the time either
21:10 <spidey> haha
21:10 <spidey> hmm
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Isn't it so much FUN to add yet another hack to gGame.cpp?
21:10 <spidey> Luke-Jr did you fix the logs?
21:10 <spidey> lol
21:10 <Luke-Jr> spidey: yes, now it only shows the last 5000 lines
21:10 <spidey> k
21:10 <Luke-Jr> who wants to split gGame.cpp??
21:11 <spidey> Luke-Jr is that the script or the actual log file doing that?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I already have enough on my plate =p
21:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: the script
21:11 <Luke-Jr> in fact
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what about renaming it to gRandomHacks.cpp?
21:11 <spidey> can you link log.txt to the www dir?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I think I'm gonna set logs to append-only
21:11 <wrtlprnft> or gHacksGoHere.cpp
21:11 <spidey> i'ma make a admin panel for my site
21:12 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you can =p
21:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that isn't splitting
21:12 <spidey> i thought it was in another dir?
21:12 <spidey> O.o
21:13 <Luke-Jr> no
21:13 <Luke-Jr> er
21:13 <Luke-Jr> so
21:13 <spidey> how do i password a file,like admin.php
21:13 <spidey> i know how to do dir's
21:14 <Luke-Jr> .htaccess
21:14 <Luke-Jr> oh
21:14 <Luke-Jr> no idea for just a file
21:15 <spidey> ick
21:15 <spidey> cat armagetron.log isn't smart >.<
21:16 <Luke-Jr> ?
21:16 <spidey> hmm
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
21:18 <spidey> btw did you make SvcConfig readonly?
21:18 <DrJoeTron> ah nothin, luke told me to guess who jipped him out of money
21:18 * DrJoeTron was being cute :D
21:18 <spidey> haha
21:19 <Luke-Jr> someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:19 <spidey> [12:20] ( Luke-Jr ) someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:20 <spidey> awe
21:20 <spidey> i just thought of that
21:20 <spidey> i can't use php to edit bans from my webserver
21:20 <spidey> :(
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:20 <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down? <--- spidey said that
21:21 <spidey> lol
21:23 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: IRC is realtime
21:23 <spidey> i'm not repeating it :p
21:24 <spidey> whoa O.o
21:24 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:24 <spidey> 12 bans on the server i get from you luke
21:24 <spidey> i don't remember doing 1 of them :s
21:24 <Luke-Jr> autobans?
21:24 <spidey> wouldn't they be removed?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> eventually?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> shrug
21:24 <Luke-Jr> I didn't write it =p
21:24 <spidey> O.o
21:25 <Luke-Jr> I just know autobans are annoying
21:25 <spidey> 12 password
21:25 <spidey> a bot made the highscores
21:25 <spidey> lol
21:26 <spidey> ok now to link all this crap that goes on the main page
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21:48 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/scores2.php
21:48 <spidey> right
21:48 <spidey> lol
21:49 <spidey> ok then >.<
21:51 <Luke-Jr> did 0.3.0 have the new spectator mode?
21:52 <spidey> new?
21:52 <spidey> you mean where you can still talk?
21:52 <Luke-Jr> ye
21:52 <Luke-Jr> s
21:52 <spidey> i would think so
21:52 <spidey> it came out in 2.8.something didn't iT?
21:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/ladder2.php
21:53 <spidey> yay for overflow: auto;
21:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
21:54 <Luke-Jr> it didn't
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Your IP is :
22:01 <wrtlprnft> 85.233.38.240
22:01 <wrtlprnft> And Is Being Logged
22:01 <wrtlprnft> For Security Reasons.
22:01 <wrtlprnft> uhhh
22:01 <wrtlprnft> i'm scared.
22:02 <spidey> :p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> ahhh
22:02 <spidey> actually the webserver does the logging
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr put a memory log into the trunk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp?r1=6032&r2=6031&pathrev=6032
22:04 <wrtlprnft> anyone who has anything that's publically available and doesn't keep logs should be shot
22:04 <DrJoeTron> anyone seen invader lately?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #seen *invad*
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching *invad*.
22:27 <spidey> now i'm bored
22:27 <spidey> Luke-Jr can i redo your website? :D
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> spidey: why
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22:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr because i'm bored now
22:34 <spidey> :/
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: but it's nice already ;p
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure, use your webspace =p
22:34 <spidey> it's fugly
22:34 <Luke-Jr> it's simple and nice
22:34 <Luke-Jr> just lacks a menu of some sort
22:34 <spidey> fugly ;x
22:35 <spidey> ok,i'll make one and you decide if you like it? :p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> keep it simple tho =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> I like simple
22:35 <spidey> simple is fugly
22:35 <spidey> >.<
22:36 <spidey> ok
22:36 <spidey> color scheme?
22:36 <spidey> or can i use black/gray
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> make it look like this:
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
22:37 <spidey> no comment
22:37 <spidey> ;x
22:37 <spidey> heeey
22:37 <spidey> i just noticed something
22:37 <spidey> my irc client isn't broken anymore
22:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma do a /me action
22:37 * Lucifer_arma beats the living fuck out of spidey
22:37 <spidey> yay
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it like the resource browser :P
22:40 <spidey> um
22:40 <spidey> my site doesn't have tables
22:40 <spidey> not one
22:40 <spidey> except for the forums
22:40 <Luke-Jr> spidey: webpages look better bright
22:40 <Luke-Jr> eg, white not black
22:40 <wrtlprnft> just to be sure
22:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my site has a lot of correct-use tables
22:41 <spidey> so you want white with black text
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i don't mind those
22:41 <wrtlprnft> 22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:41 <Luke-Jr> wasn't sure if you were implying something ;)
22:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i can do css more valid than i can tables :p
22:42 <spidey> anyways
22:42 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i'm using tables in the map previewer
22:42 * spidey is busy
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah?
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: BTW, I was pleased to notice the icons weren't a table ;p
22:44 <wrtlprnft> they aren't
22:44 <Luke-Jr> lots of people use tables for iconic layouts
22:44 <wrtlprnft> try to change the window size
22:44 <Luke-Jr> I know
22:44 <Luke-Jr> but finding that made me happy ;p
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it'll probably screw up badly in netscape 4 or IE5
22:45 <Luke-Jr> or netscape 3
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not even that. ie 5, 5.5, 6 all work
22:46 <wrtlprnft> netscape 3 can't even do any CSS I think
22:46 <Luke-Jr> nope
22:46 <Luke-Jr> but it was the last good netscape
22:46 <wrtlprnft> and as I'm using list and headings where appropiate it should still look fine
22:47 <Luke-Jr> brb
22:47 <wrtlprnft> http://operawatch.com/news/2006/08/opera-901-opera-is-moving-fast-?-really-fast.html <-- look at my comment to that, especially at the user agent above it
22:50 <Luke-Jr> The page you were looking for was not found.
22:50 <wrtlprnft> !
22:50 <wrtlprnft> http://tinyurl.com/hzpv2
22:51 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:51 <wrtlprnft> not found either
22:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:51 <wrtlprnft> there's an utf8 char in the URL
22:53 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/link.htm
22:55 <wrtlprnft> darn utf-8
22:59 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6033 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php:
23:00 <armabot> Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Added scope tags to <th> elements to make the generated pages more accessible.
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Not that there would be a real benefit since the whole thing is about showing preview images of a 3D game, but well, maybe guru3 wants to have one of the pages read to him one day, he might benefit from it.
23:00 <wrtlprnft> if I'm already using tables :P
23:02 <guru3> making fun of me? :S
23:05 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:05 <Luke-Jr> someone go release 0.3.1
23:05 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:07 <wrtlprnft> guru3: no, but you're the only one related to arma I know using text- to- speech programs
23:08 <guru3> *groan*
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:10 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:30 <DrJoeTron> man, ive never had a sharpie burn my hand this much
23:30 <DrJoeTron> my dad must be lacing them with acid
23:31 <DrJoeTron> had to write a hex code and didnt have any paper :D
23:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6034 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:31 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
23:31 <spidey> Luke-Jr
23:31 <spidey> before i keep going http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test.php like it?
23:31 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
23:32 <spidey> #more -DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Error: I haven't seen -DrJoeTron.
23:32 <spidey> #more DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || FCSS (1 players) || ATC Team (0 players) || {Accelerator's place} (jalsti.dyndns.org:4540) (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6035 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6030 to 6034:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: r6034 | z-man | 2006-08-08 23:32:43 +0200 (Tue, 08 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> damn. The damn t2 article is like 2 articles intermingled so badly that it's going to be quite some work to get it in shape
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> but dammit I want it on newsforge!
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey:
23:57 <spidey> me:
23:58 <Luke-Jr> the line is thru For More Information
23:58 <Luke-Jr> from an english perspective, too much is capitalized on the left
23:58 <Luke-Jr> describing is spelled like such =p
23:58 <spidey> >.<
23:58 <Luke-Jr> is "All Rates Are Subject To Additional Charges" supposed to be "(subject to change)"?
23:59 <Luke-Jr> if so, all I mean by that is my prices might go up in the future =p
23:59 <Luke-Jr> the general design looks fine, tho
Log from 2006-08-09:
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00:00 <Luke-Jr> certainly better than TNA's crap
00:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
00:00 <spidey> haha
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> haha. Linux Journal uses Drupal :)
00:10 <spidey> lol
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> so I thought about it and decided to go ahead and shop it a bit more. I'm going to requery (essentially) newsforge for the shorter, broader version they want with the understanding that I'm shopping the longer one.
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
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01:11 <madmax|pt> hello
01:13 <spidey> goodbye
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> still here
01:14 <spidey> lol
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, performance
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/ <-- how long does it take to do a complete refresh (press shift while you hit the refresh button in firefox to force a complete refresh)
01:16 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/4_team_fortress/sumo_chutes-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:16 <spidey> peerfume?
01:16 <spidey> ew!
01:16 <spidey> a long time
01:16 <spidey> O.o
01:17 <spidey> about
01:17 <spidey> sec
01:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/4_team_fortress/side_chutes-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> half a second, three seconds?
01:17 <spidey> 5-7 seconds
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> 1 second isn't bad. It's not good, but it's not bad.
01:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: initial loading takes 7.643s, reload takes 10.325s
01:17 <spidey> hey
01:17 <Luke-Jr> spidey: ...
01:17 <spidey> how you figure that out?
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> reload takes 10 seconds? that's more than the initial load!
01:17 <spidey> Luke-Jr....
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> any way to determine how much of it's bandwidth and how much is server?
01:18 * Lucifer_arma goes to find a performance monitor for drupal
01:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm no
01:18 <spidey> LOL
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got a bunch of modules enabled, some of which I may not really need
01:18 * Luke-Jr knows Lucifer_arma is ignoring him, and doesn't venture a potential way
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> if it's bandwidth, can't do anything about it without money. If it's performance, I might be able to do something about it, but upgrading the server is best (and takes money)
01:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> get a sun fire 25k :P
01:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night all
01:24 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, can I get you to try again spidey? I'd like DarkStar to try again too, but he just left apparently. :(
01:25 <spidey> i hate you
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> was it faster?
01:26 <spidey> about 5-6 seconds
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> same speed, then?
01:27 <spidey> and i hate you because now i'm reading the friggin posts >.<
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh. :)
01:27 <spidey> and i WAS doing something else
01:28 <spidey> now i'm going to make fish sticks and watch a movie
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01:37 <TiTnAsS> luke -jr
01:37 <TiTnAsS> yt
01:37 <spidey> lmao
01:38 <TiTnAsS> what??
01:38 <TiTnAsS> spidey did you just get out of your mommys bed?
01:39 <spidey> it's 4:40pm dumbass
01:39 <TiTnAsS> i know that
01:39 <TiTnAsS> you live with your mom
01:39 <TiTnAsS> you wake up whenever
01:39 <TiTnAsS> lol
01:39 <spidey> no..
01:39 <spidey> you're still a dumbass
01:39 <spidey> and
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01:39 <spidey> i don't live with my mom ;x
01:39 <spidey> moron
01:50 <Luke-Jr> lol
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01:53 <Lucifer_arma> where's my "ram it up your cunt" button?
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh, he left already, nvm
01:53 <spidey> lol
02:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6036 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.cpp tValue.h tValueParser.ypp): haha, I forgot to commit this-- make all constructors use BasePtr instead of Base *
02:09 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping
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02:38 <GodTodd> ram it up whose cunt?
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> better scroll up, heh
02:46 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I finally created my own user account and changed the superuser's name to siteadmin so I'm not using the superuser account anymore
02:50 <GodTodd> ah :)
02:51 <GodTodd> hmmm....i think there's some weird linking going on in the admin pages....
03:02 <Lucifer_arma> ?
03:03 <Lucifer_arma> splain
03:03 <GodTodd> well...i get the blow by blow page (cron jobs and stuff) with half the links that i click on the control panel....and now i can't get the page that tells me who's on :(
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I disabled the control panel module for performance reasons, the panels module too
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'll reenable the panels module, which is the one you want :)
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> my experiment was successful, bandwidth is the limiting factor for outside users
03:07 <Lucifer_arma> at least, with the one or two that I used to test it
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> there you go. davetheknave is me
03:08 <GodTodd> ahh ok
03:09 <GodTodd> awww damn ---> OLGA is currently offline while we resolve legal issues with the archive. We greatly appreciate your support and hope to return to providing resources to the aspiring guitarist as soon as possible.
03:09 <GodTodd> :(
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> fuck. I had intended to get my mirror before that happened!
03:09 <GodTodd> must be a RAA thingee?
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> different group, hang on
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> https://www.davefancella.com/node/75
03:11 <Lucifer_arma> the bbc link may not be good anymore, I keep meaning to check it
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, dug up the bbc link. If you refresh, you'll see it.
03:21 <GodTodd> fucking nazis
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03:52 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6037 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/: branch to work on splitting of tValue
04:00 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6038 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (13 files in 2 dirs): split headers-- this doesn't compile
04:21 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6039 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/values/ (8 files): Legacy code compiles with new headers (but tValue itself doesn't yet)
04:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6040 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.h tValueParser.h values/vCore.h values/vParser.h): legacy headers should now work *completely*
04:34 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6041 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValueParser.ypp values/vParser.ypp): Beginning of changes to the parser code for the splitting
04:40 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: would there be any forseeable repercussions on changing my name out of camel case on the site?
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05:01 <Lucifer_arma> nah
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> no repercussions at all, it looks like drupal is smart and uses a different column in the table to link users to stuff :)
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> man, my daughter's a sweetheart
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> she just told me "I wish that you could take a break from all that work and go out in the real world and have some fun"
05:08 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6042 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): parser migration to split structure is complete
05:11 <GodTodd> ok...i'm all lowercase now
05:11 <GodTodd> :)
05:18 <spidey> no you're not
05:18 <spidey> ( GodTodd ) :)
05:18 <spidey> see?
05:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, then do it...i'd say kids are more important than something on the internet ;)
05:19 * Lucifer_arma wonders what spidey thinks I do on the internet
05:22 <Luke-Jr> play games
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07:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr, no...i didn't say i thought that -_-
07:09 <spidey> that's what i do
07:10 <spidey> because i have no life
07:10 <spidey> i had a chance for one of those once,then i blew it...so i'm gonna go play halo now
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07:18 <Lucifer_arma> A few years back, God called me on the phone and said I'd gotten enough points that he was giving me an extra man.
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07:59 <DrJoeTron> well i just lost 2 hours off of my life
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08:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6043 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: Decorated the code with some tAdvanceFrame() calls before sn_SendPlanned() calls; outgoing network messages should now get correct time stamps and ping measurements should be more accurate.
09:12 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: pong
09:13 * wrtlprnft wishes people would ask a question instead of just saying wrtlprnft:ping
09:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft: pinf
09:13 <spidey> -_-
09:13 <spidey> wrtlprnft: ping
09:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ponf
09:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: pong
09:13 <spidey> lol
09:14 <spidey> #night
09:14 <armabot> Good night spidey!
09:14 <wrtlprnft> good.
09:14 <wrtlprnft> err, bad
09:15 <spidey> you did it again
09:15 * spidey stays up
09:16 <wrtlprnft> haha
09:16 <spidey> >.<
09:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can keep him awake until he dies of lack of sleep
09:16 <spidey> nah
09:17 <spidey> you'll have to sleep sometime
09:17 <spidey> i'll just adjust my schedule to fit yours
09:19 * wrtlprnft makes a script that says, "hello, I'm awake" every 5 minutes
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: how you doing?
09:24 <wrtlprnft> hello, I'm awake
09:24 <wrtlprnft> that means good ;)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I need a program that takes a text file that describes a song and a .wav file and renders the .wav file to 3 ogg vorbis and 1 flac files, named appropriately.
09:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, make a python script?
09:26 * wrtlprnft doesn't deal with sound files a lot
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> too sleepy, I'll probably do it over the weekend
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, all it has to do is wrap oggenc and flac and use the appropriate commandline arguments
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it's just that typing it all out is a pain and I've got 4-5 songs to do it with
09:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, a simple shellscript might do the same
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> shell script is fine. I'll use them, but I try not to make new ones. :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's just regular batch work, heh. I should have done that instead of chatting with my neighbor.
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> I also need a script that imports MediaWiki pages into Drupal's Liquid Wiki Engine. But that script is useless with Liquid Wiki Engine being broken right now. :(
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10:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
10:30 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: In a bottle, the neck is always at the top.
10:32 <wrtlprnft> hi there [Xpert]DarkStar
10:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Playing_the_Game&curid=1357&diff=14446&oldid=12271 <-- what shall I do about this one? :s
10:50 <wrtlprnft> why couldn't that guy put his ideas to the right pages
10:50 <wrtlprnft> > The clans don't let you if you're not good enough or if you don't have potential to get good.
10:50 <wrtlprnft> those are those idiot super hyper elite clans like sp or fe, not all are like that
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, some clans only take sucky players
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> #night
11:02 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
11:02 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma
11:06 <wrtlprnft> does anyone in here know an OS independent c(++) functions that turns a relative path into an absolute one?
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11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6044 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: taken from NEWS:
11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: - New "About" menu item in the main menu displays the version of Armagetron Advanced, the paths it uses, links to the main site, wiki and forums and the names of the project admins.
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6045 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6034 to 6044:
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: r6043 | z-man | 2006-08-09 08:32:53 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: Decorated the code with some tAdvanceFrame() calls before sn_SendPlanned() calls; outgoing network messages should now get correct time stamps and ping measurements should be more accurate.
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
11:55 <armabot> armagetronad: r6044 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-09 11:40:48 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
12:06 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6046 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/tDirectories.cpp: Display the right user config file in st_PrintPathInfo
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6047 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - FULLSCREEN_MESSAGEs are now scrollable
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: - Fixed some display issues for the "about" screen
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6048 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6044 to 6047:
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: r6047 | wrtlprnft | 2006-08-09 13:08:47 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: - FULLSCREEN_MESSAGEs are now scrollable
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: - Fixed some display issues for the "about" screen
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6049 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (NEWS language/english_base.txt):
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added the new cockpit data sources to NEWS
13:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - The resource dir can also contain cockpits. Tell that to the user.
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15:13 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ping :)
15:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can you check out the tValueSplit branch and approve the file layout used by the headers?
15:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: also, any other possible name for tValue? Since it's under v* now, the t needs dropping, and I'd like to use "value" to refer to the actual... value of the expressions ;p
15:17 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
15:19 <wrtlprnft> gHudValue->cValue->tValue->vValue?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> what does v, ve, veb mean?
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16:10 <ghableska> hello
16:10 <wrtlprnft> hi and bye, I'm out for this evening
16:12 <ghableska> :O
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16:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: v = value; e = expr; b = binding
16:40 <Luke-Jr> #later tell wrtlprnft v = value; e = expr; b = binding
16:40 <armabot> Luke-Jr: The operation succeeded.
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16:59 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6050 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (12 files in 2 dirs): s/tValue/vValue
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17:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6051 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Split of tValue cpp file
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18:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6052 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/values/ (9 files): split values compile now
18:15 <Luke-Jr> wtf does beautify flatten namespaces?
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18:54 <ghableska> hello
18:54 <Luke-Jr> hiu
18:55 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6053 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tValue.h values/vebMathExpr.cpp values/vebMathExpr.h): rename Expr to MathExpr (does not affect legacy support)
20:00 <spidey> ghableska
20:05 <Luke-Jr> spidey
20:06 <ghableska> spidey
20:06 <Luke-Jr> ghableska
20:06 <spidey> Luke-Jr
20:07 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you're def, ok?
20:07 <spidey> huh?
20:07 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:07 <spidey> :p
20:08 <Luke-Jr> I think maybe I should raise my prices
20:08 <spidey> i think you should maybe not >.<
20:10 <Luke-Jr> hehe
20:10 <Luke-Jr> if I do, it probably won't affect existing customers
20:10 <Luke-Jr> btw, did you see my advertisement on the master list? =p
20:11 <spidey> no?
20:11 <Luke-Jr> it's a fortress server
20:12 <Luke-Jr> called 'Fortress (This could be your server!)'
20:12 <Luke-Jr> with info and stuff in MOTD and such
20:12 <spidey> lmao
20:13 <Luke-Jr> wanna go play there? :x
20:13 <spidey> in a minute
20:14 <spidey> i'm still eating my cherrios
20:14 <Luke-Jr> =p
20:14 <Luke-Jr> cherrios are bad for you
20:14 <Luke-Jr> the cardboard box is healthier
20:14 <spidey> lol
20:14 <spidey> well i woke up hungry so i got cherrios
20:15 <spidey> i was thinking about fish sticks,but it's to early for 'em
20:16 <Luke-Jr> I'm eating root bear yogury
20:16 <Luke-Jr> yogurt*
20:16 <Luke-Jr> mmm
20:20 <ghableska> O_o
20:21 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:21 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: u wanna play??
20:23 <ghableska> hmm?
20:23 <ghableska> at your server?
20:26 <Luke-Jr> ya
20:26 <Luke-Jr> the "this could be your server' one
20:27 <ghableska> okay...
20:38 <Lucifer_arma> :) I like that avatar
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21:36 <DrJoeTron> Why is Tna so fucking retarded
21:37 <Luke-Jr> dunno
21:37 <spidey> becuase he's fucking retarded?
21:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6054 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Reset rubber speed factor on turns; it was causing too short raycasts when extrapolating.
21:39 <DrJoeTron> he's asking for 20 bucks from me
21:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6055 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): Added death exception throwing edge passing function to cycle extrapolator to avoid local phasing.
21:42 <spidey> Luke-Jr, http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/
21:42 <spidey> now isn't that so much prettier than tna's crap ;
21:42 <spidey> x
21:42 <spidey> ;x
21:45 <DrJoeTron> broken link!
21:45 <spidey> ya i'm not done
21:45 <spidey> duh
21:45 <DrJoeTron> goood
21:46 <DrJoeTron> i just saw the shittiest movie
21:46 <DrJoeTron> advent children
21:46 <DrJoeTron> wow
21:46 <spidey> lol
21:46 <DrJoeTron> my god that was bad
21:48 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: don't give it to him =p
21:48 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: he owes me $16
21:49 <DrJoeTron> why would i give strangers money
21:49 <Luke-Jr> hehe
21:49 <Luke-Jr> Advent Children wasn't that bad, btw
21:49 * Luke-Jr saw it a few months ago
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21:57 * Lucifer_arma suspects the new TiTnAsS is a fake, but is probably wrong
21:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, it's done >.<
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> the old Titboy was a smeghead, but he was showing promise. Probably got contaminated by the snobbery in the atmosphere at his university
21:58 <spidey> or maybe it was because he joined lol???
21:58 <Luke-Jr> the rest of LOL seem decent
21:58 <spidey> i knew him a few days before he joined lol, he seemed alright
21:58 <spidey> but maybe it was because mom was there also
21:59 <spidey> we had a sumo tourny,it lasted like 3-4 hours
21:59 <spidey> mom beat everyone >.<
21:59 <DrJoeTron> im hating this guy so much
22:05 <Compn> ya tits is fucking annoying
22:05 <spidey> speaking of fakes i think guru3 has one :s
22:07 <guru3> eh?
22:07 <spidey> i've seen a few Tank Programs around that didn't act like you :p
22:07 <guru3> lol\
22:08 <spidey> and that one guy,that i asked if you was playing and you said no? :p
22:08 <spidey> haven't seen him since z-man took bugfarm down
22:08 <guru3> mmmm yeah
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22:45 <Luke-Jr> we need auth... :|
22:46 <Luke-Jr> and DCT
22:46 <Luke-Jr> and a completed parser
22:46 <Luke-Jr> we need more devs, that's what we need ;p
22:57 <Luke-Jr> guru3: http://sourceforge.net/people/createjob.php?group_id=110997
22:58 <guru3> don't we have enough people? :S
22:59 * Luke-Jr doesn't think so
22:59 <Luke-Jr> we have so much to-do
22:59 <guru3> ><
22:59 <Luke-Jr> and progressing slowly on the big stuff
22:59 <guru3> win some/loose some
22:59 <guru3> afk
23:02 <Compn> wd durka
23:02 <Compn> setting a map to 404 link
23:04 <spidey> lol
23:04 <guru3> back
23:05 <Compn> boy
23:05 <Compn> that broke my input too
23:05 <Compn> armagetron wont accept any input
23:05 <spidey> i let the 2 black labs in the house
23:06 <spidey> the chihuahua isn't to happy about that
23:08 <Compn> i bet :D
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> here you go, this guy's interesting: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1707 (also running a drupal site)
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i do read my hilights, no need for notes ;)
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> is anybody here browsing my website right now?
23:22 <spidey> not i
23:23 <GodTodd> i'm lurking ;)
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm running top and seeing apache2 processes appearing at 40-60% CPU usage
23:24 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> memory usage around 8%. And supybot is jumping up pretty high, I think I should restart the supybots, although I'm considering seeing if someone else wants to run them.
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyone know of a good performance monitor for linux?
23:25 <Compn> not top
23:25 <Compn> ;p
23:26 <wrtlprnft> htop
23:26 <wrtlprnft> much nicer
23:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: botS? do we have more than one?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> but sure, I could take over armabot
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> I ws thinking more of something that runs as a daemon and has a report tool for its logs
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: we have one, I have two. :)
23:27 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so...? =p
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok then, let me zip up armabot's directory, you should be able to use the config just like it is. I can send you my supybot ssh keys directory too, but I don't know if that'll help
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to generate a key of your own (if you don't have one already), needed to update luke's site
23:28 <wrtlprnft> hmm, lemme install supybot on the server
23:29 <Luke-Jr> id_[rd]sa should be enough in .ssh
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6056 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6048 to 6055:
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: r6055 | z-man | 2006-08-09 21:41:04 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: Added death exception throwing edge passing function to cycle extrapolator to avoid local phasing.
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: r6054 | z-man | 2006-08-09 21:39:57 +0200 (Wed, 09 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/performance_tutorial.html
23:32 * Luke-Jr pokes wrtlprnft
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> er, I should shut down armabot when we do the deed here, after flushing, to make sure there's no data loss
23:34 <wrtlprnft> errm, i need the account info for nickserv, or will that be in the config files?
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's in the config files. You *should* only need 2 things: a bash script to update the CIA plugin, and a hmmmm
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> new private/public key pair for luke's server :) that's it
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> um, it'll stop updating the wiki, too unless we set something up for that, but I'd rather get a message or something and update it by hand.
23:36 <Luke-Jr> #echo why would he need new keys? just copy the id_[rd]sa from ~/.ssh
23:36 <armabot> why would he need new keys? just copy the id_ [rd] sa from ~/.ssh
23:37 * Lucifer_arma is trying to think of if he's used that key for anything else, but he doesn't think he has.
23:37 <wrtlprnft> can't I just use my key?
23:37 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah, I guess =p
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> beats me, that's for you and luke to work out. I'll send my supybot key if you need it, there's no problem there.
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> did you want to do the switch now or wait?
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i can do it now
23:41 <wrtlprnft> get it done ;)
23:42 <wrtlprnft> of course you could also use your account on that server to set it up in theory
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> I have an account on that server? Oh yeah, I do, don't I. Heh. :)
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
23:45 <Luke-Jr> #whoami
23:45 <armabot> Luke-Jr: I don't recognize you.
23:45 <Luke-Jr> lame
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> #flush
23:45 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> ack, killed the wrong bot
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23:46 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to change the owner, obviously
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> (tarring right now)
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> 19MB
23:49 <wrtlprnft> fetching
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm running out of memory apparently :(
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i'll just get it to work right now
23:50 <spidey> lol
23:50 * Lucifer_arma thinks he's figuring out why his server is running so slowly
23:50 <wrtlprnft> and then go to bed, tomorrow i'll do the SVN stuff
23:50 <spidey> httpd froze?
23:50 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ...
23:50 <wrtlprnft> noone commit to aabeta or cia in that time
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok. Probably should disable/remove the handlers that use them
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> or the wiki
23:50 <wrtlprnft> well
23:51 <wrtlprnft> either they'll work or they won't
23:51 <wrtlprnft> they won't do any harm, right?
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. :)
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, shouldn't hurt anything
23:51 <wrtlprnft> eta 5 mins
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> might take a few minutes to report back that it didn't work, and it might slow up some things in the meantime, but we're not talking frequent commits anyway
23:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: Nobody really knows how it all works. <-- i knew how it worked until you and ph did stuff on it ;)
23:53 <Luke-Jr> ;p
23:54 <Luke-Jr> I suspect ph's BaseExt should be merged into Base
23:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: need new name ideas for stuff on the forum-- post =p
23:54 <wrtlprnft> what of this works, actually? does expression parsing really do its job?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> i
23:55 <wrtlprnft> 'ma go to bead, really
23:55 <Luke-Jr> the expression parsing does what it supports so far
23:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I've been waiting for name ideas from you since last night -.-
23:56 <wrtlprnft> vMagic?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> vValue is fine with me
23:56 <Luke-Jr> but a value is what it *returns* =p
23:57 <Luke-Jr> more or less
23:57 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: oh well-- good to merge, at least?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> if it works
23:58 <Luke-Jr> it does
23:58 <Luke-Jr> mostly via tValue.h compatibility
Log from 2006-08-10:
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00:02 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has joined #armagetron
00:02 <wrtlprnft> missing some modules
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:12 Failed to load Babelfish: No module named Babelfish.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:13 Failed to load CyborgName: No module named CyborgName.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:14 Failed to load Freshmeat: No module named Freshmeat.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Linux: No module named Linux.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:16 Failed to load Markov: No module named Markov.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:17 Failed to load Python: No module named Python.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:29 Failed to load Sourceforge: No module named Sourceforge.
00:02 <wrtlprnft> WARNING 2006-08-10T00:03:30 Failed to load Weather: No module named Weather.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> no terribly useful ones anyways
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
00:03 <armabot> hi
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #f
00:03 <armabot> Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #388: || Bad user karma.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> #notes
00:03 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ar*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, and unknown.
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're still owner, do what you want if you need to fix the bot, I'm going to bed.
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> my wife started looking for the phone, so she pushed the page button on the base, and the phone in her hand started beeping
00:05 <Luke-Jr> ...
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm turning my server off for a few minutes while I rearrange hard drives in the case
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00:21 <DrJoeTron> oh how i love when arma loves to open it self four times
00:24 <Luke-Jr> you do that, not arma
00:24 <Luke-Jr> don't be acting like TNA now =p
00:31 <DrJoeTron> fuck off :D
00:31 <DrJoeTron> how dare you compare me to him
00:32 <DrJoeTron> you're absolutly right its me doing it
00:33 <DrJoeTron> because for some reason the keyboard isnt recognised off of the desktop for 30 seconds
00:33 <DrJoeTron> which still should be sort of instant i would like to think ;)
00:34 <DrJoeTron> so while im hitting enter, its still using the desktop for some reason and opens arma multiple times
00:35 <DrJoeTron> and now arma doesnt like me alt-tabbing :/
00:35 <DrJoeTron> all of the textures dim to nothing
00:38 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6057 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (42 files in 2 dirs): merged tValueSplit
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00:42 <Luke-Jr> crap
00:42 <Luke-Jr> I think I just messed up Svn
00:48 <DrJoeTron> MAN this is getting so old
00:49 <DrJoeTron> fuck this worthless game
00:49 <DrJoeTron> brb im gonna restart
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00:49 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6058 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tValueParser.h): that last commit didnt work correctly-- hopefully this is all that went wrong
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00:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6059 /armagetronad/branches/tValueSplit/: merged-- bye bye branch
00:51 <DrJoeTron> armegetron tends to not recognize the keyboard, so when i hit enter, it just opens the game again, and then stalls the computer
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00:52 <DrJoeTron> there now it stopped
00:53 <DrJoeTron> im still insulted luke
00:54 <Luke-Jr> sorry, don't say dumb stuff =p
00:55 <DrJoeTron> its a bug that makes me open it multiple times
00:55 <DrJoeTron> no one likes a bigort
00:55 <DrJoeTron> ot*
00:55 <Luke-Jr> not in the game
00:55 <DrJoeTron> damn my hotdog fingers
00:56 <DrJoeTron> ive had this problem always on the windows build
00:56 <Luke-Jr> then maybe you should report it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> probably should
00:57 <DrJoeTron> but everytime im about to it stops doing it
00:57 <DrJoeTron> its like crying wolf, and having it run off long enough to think its been hit by a bus.
00:58 <DrJoeTron> only to return with its kin
00:58 <DrJoeTron> and metal teeth
00:58 <DrJoeTron> i should write books "D
00:58 <Luke-Jr> =p
01:01 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for these air bubbles to settle off my ds :/
01:01 <DrJoeTron> i just installed these ultra screen protectors
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> jesus joe, you did write a book
01:18 <Luke-Jr> lol
01:18 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: doesn't the DS have WiFi?
01:18 <Luke-Jr> port Arma to it
01:24 <DrJoeTron> yes
01:24 <DrJoeTron> haha i should
01:24 <DrJoeTron> i need to buy the dev kit for the ds
01:24 <Luke-Jr> why?
01:24 <Luke-Jr> download it
01:25 <DrJoeTron> cartridge?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have nothing to put it on
01:25 <Luke-Jr> o
01:25 <Luke-Jr> emulator
01:25 <Luke-Jr> for now
01:25 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for them to perfect the crartridge
01:25 <Luke-Jr> when it works, buy flash cart
01:25 <DrJoeTron> i have one for gba thought :p
01:25 <DrJoeTron> 64mbit though :/
01:26 <DrJoeTron> and im not sure if the ds can handle arma
01:26 <DrJoeTron> but it would be really neat
01:26 <DrJoeTron> the bottom screen could show the grid
01:27 <DrJoeTron> and the top could show the game
01:27 <Luke-Jr> I have a GBC flash cart
01:27 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure the ds can only render 3d images on one screen at a time
01:27 <Luke-Jr> that's fine
01:27 <Luke-Jr> the HUD map doesn't need to be 3D
01:27 <DrJoeTron> good
01:28 <DrJoeTron> 67 MHz ARM946E-S (ARM) and 33 MHz ARM7TDMI coprocessor
01:28 <Luke-Jr> ouch
01:28 <Luke-Jr> really that slow??
01:28 <DrJoeTron> yup
01:28 <Luke-Jr> how does it run anything??
01:29 <DrJoeTron> very well
01:29 <DrJoeTron> ;)
01:29 <DrJoeTron> people have done some pretty cool things though in the homebrew community
01:29 <DrJoeTron> though one sign that the ds is kind a clunky is the Opera browser
01:30 <DrJoeTron> takes about 3 minutes to load cnn.com
01:31 <DrJoeTron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS#Technology
01:32 <DrJoeTron> think of this thing as nothing more than a slightly over clocked, smaller N64
01:33 <Luke-Jr> N64 certainly was more than 67 MHz
01:36 <DrJoeTron> 93.75 MHz NEC VR4300 :p
01:36 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that was super horrible for the n64 was the z buffer
01:41 <Luke-Jr> oooh
01:41 <Luke-Jr> you don't need to buy a cart
01:41 <Luke-Jr> just send it via Wifi!
01:41 <DrJoeTron> that involves some major hacking
01:41 <DrJoeTron> and a super stripped version of arma
01:42 <Luke-Jr> can't copy the whole game?
01:42 <DrJoeTron> its only a 4mb cache for download play
01:42 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:42 <Luke-Jr> Arma barely fits in 4 MB :)
01:42 <DrJoeTron> arma needs to be stripped
01:42 <DrJoeTron> older versions yes
01:42 <Luke-Jr> 0.2.8
01:43 <Luke-Jr> the program itself, that is
01:43 <DrJoeTron> its a little more complicated than just sending it via wifi
01:44 <DrJoeTron> still involves me spending money on a wireless receiver
01:44 <DrJoeTron> for the pc
01:44 <DrJoeTron> i have the usb connector for the ds
01:44 <DrJoeTron> but the only thing i can do is turn it into an access point if i futz with the drivers
01:44 <Luke-Jr> so?
01:45 <Luke-Jr> emulate a DS on the PC
01:45 <DrJoeTron> there isnt a good one out yet
01:45 <Luke-Jr> well, you got plenty of time to test on an emu until it works
01:47 <DrJoeTron> it might be better to just do this off of the psp
01:47 <DrJoeTron> psp's hardware is far superior in comparison to the ds
01:47 <DrJoeTron> just the ds's has much better games for it
01:49 <Luke-Jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSlinuxShot.jpg
01:49 <Luke-Jr> and linux
01:55 <Luke-Jr> I think FTGL kills any hope of 4 MB AA
01:55 <DrJoeTron> FTGL?
01:56 <Luke-Jr> fonts
01:56 <DrJoeTron> oh
01:58 <DrJoeTron> http://ds.qj.net/ for any homebrew information
02:01 <Luke-Jr> actually nm
02:01 <Luke-Jr> Arma font is only 65k
02:01 <spidey> 4mb aa ?
02:03 <DrJoeTron> wait a minute
02:03 <DrJoeTron> what about the floppy version of arma
02:03 <DrJoeTron> anyone remember that post a while back?
02:04 <spidey> floppy version?
02:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 4 MB = Nintendo DS
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02:06 <DrJoeTron> thats all of the ds allows, without using a cartridge for Download Play
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02:07 <DrJoeTron> oh man, L and R could be used for turning :D
02:07 <spidey> lmao
02:09 <DrJoeTron> i'd much rather just get a flash cart
02:09 <DrJoeTron> see, here is the deal with download play
02:10 <DrJoeTron> when you download stuff, its there until you turn the system off
02:11 <DrJoeTron> found a fall project! http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/09/wow-your-friends-with-your-very-own-time-fountain/
02:12 <DrJoeTron> brb
02:27 <DrJoeTron> ko
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05:54 <Lucifer_arma> alrighty then, recompiling my kernel with profiling support
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06:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh fuck
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07:23 <spidey> mkzelda ?
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07:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus fucking christ
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> on one of my old home directories, I had 5.9GB hidden away in hidden directories
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08:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I saw reiser4 as an option when I configured my kernel earlier, do I really need to do what this page says?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Reiser4_With_Gentoo-Sources
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 bytes in GB
08:32 <armabot> 117,231,408 bytes = 0.109180257 gigabytes
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> #g 117231408 blocks in GB
08:32 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> #g 117231408 blocks in sectors
08:39 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <spidey> -_-
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in gb
08:41 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
08:41 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> why does fdisk say that's 60.0 GB?
08:42 <spidey> #g 60022480896 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 1,024 = 58,615,704
08:42 <spidey> #g 58,615,704 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 58,615,704 / 1,024 = 57,241.8984
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08:42 <spidey> #g 57,241.8984 / 1024
08:42 <armabot> 57,241.8984 / 1,024 = 55.9002914
08:43 <spidey> fdisk broken?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hdd: 60.0 GB, 60022480896 bytes
08:43 <spidey> maybe 55gb = used
08:43 <spidey> possibly?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> not according to df
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think the 55.9 number is right, though. It looks very familiar (it's been awhile since I partitioned this drive)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> Disk /dev/hda: 61.4 GB, 61492838400 bytes
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 bytes in GB
08:45 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 bytes = 57.2696686 gigabytes
08:45 <spidey> lol
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk is smoking crack
08:45 <spidey> haha
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> where's wrtlprnft when you need him?
08:46 <spidey> sleeping?
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I saw a reiser4 option when I configured my kernel, do you know if that means I still have to download the patch and apply it? Using gentoo-sources, not vanilla-sources.
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> he needs to go back to canada
08:47 <spidey> haha
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> ever since he got back to germany he's been completely unavailable
08:48 <spidey> i think he'll be on in about 1-2 hours
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm gonna go to bed so I'm not falling asleep during the test tomorrow
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully I'll be able to make more sense out of this reiser thing. I want to redesign my partition layout on the server completely, and how I do that depends on this reiser thing
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14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone in here got icq?
14:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (and having problems with it?)
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17:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: so your bot and mine were having a fight?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.698152,12.631531&spn=0.025591,0.058022&t=h&om=1 <-- this is where i was
17:58 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6060 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Added tools/values hack.
18:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: and i dunno about reiser4
18:00 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo-sources reiser4
18:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.97 seconds: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Installing Gentoo - The Developers ...: <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-189250-highlight-stage1+stage3.html>; Gentoo Forums :: View topic - 2.6.12-nitro5 "Make my day": <http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-360178-start-100.html?sid=0f066058ddd63dd287afa2c99905368c>; Gentoo Linux Documentation -- Software: (3 more messages)
18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6061 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (28 files in 6 dirs): beautify (uglyify, IMO)
18:05 <Luke-Jr> yay beautify-personal, I don't need to see the effects of beautify =p
18:06 <wrtlprnft> tabs suck
18:08 <Luke-Jr> tabs have a purpose
18:08 <Luke-Jr> they do not suck when used for that purpose
18:14 <wrtlprnft> nothing prevents you to pass your own options to rebeautify, that's what it was meant for
18:15 <wrtlprnft> then, before committing, you use the default params and rebeautify again
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:15 <wrtlprnft> #list cia
18:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, removehandler, and runhandler
18:16 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
18:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '/www/beta', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: nohup ssh armagetronad@aabeta.dashjr.org /var/www/armagetron/beta/scripts/updateme $message &
18:19 <wrtlprnft> grr
18:24 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler wikiupdater
18:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #removehandler aabetaupdate
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhendler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "addhendler".
18:25 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
18:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
18:26 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:27 <wrtlprnft> how do i get that? :s
18:27 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I don't recognize you.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #whoami
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: You must have owner capability to do this.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> #list user
18:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetronad aabetaupdate /www/beta cmd "nuhup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:30 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
18:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
18:31 <wrtlprnft> i hope it works...
18:31 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
18:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
18:32 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
18:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any chance i can get /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot or can you at least tell me what it does?
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19:03 <wrtlprnft> armabot is helping Vanhayes?
19:03 <Vanhayes> ?
19:04 <wrtlprnft> INFO 2006-08-10T19:04:37 help called by "Vanhayes!n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185153.nb.aliant.net".
19:04 <wrtlprnft> i was just looking over the console output of armabot
19:04 <Vanhayes> ah, ya I'm just using #help
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19:29 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: all it does is cd to ircstuff/plugins and do svn update
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's an anonymous checkout, but you might want to delete and recheck it out
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19:38 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: oh yeah, I had forgotten to take the startup command out of local.start and had recompiled my kernel with profiling support, and was fooling with it.
19:39 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: then I popped back over here and saw the two bots fighting. Killed mine and took it out of local.start now so it won't happen again.
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I think I answered my reiser question. The kernel support that's there is for reiserFS, aka reiser 3.x and you have to do those instructions to get reiser4. Are you using reiser4?
20:03 <guru3> hooked up a keyboard to my 770
20:03 * guru3 is chuffed
20:04 <guru3> it's just so cool
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20:06 <ghableska> hello
20:06 <guru3> hello
20:07 <guru3> or domo
20:07 <guru3> or konichiwa
20:07 <ghableska> hello is good enough :)
20:07 <guru3> grand
20:07 <guru3> testing my new keyboard
20:07 <ghableska> hehe
20:08 <ghableska> is it nice?
20:08 <guru3> seems to work mostly ok
20:08 <guru3> its miniature
20:08 <ghableska> ah
20:08 <guru3> and hooked up to my nokia 770 x(
20:08 <guru3> x)
20:08 <ghableska> O_o
20:08 <guru3> its printed for swedish layout
20:08 <guru3> but im using american mapping
20:08 <ghableska> cool
20:08 <guru3> so sometimes i hit the wrong key when i look instead of go by feel
20:08 <ghableska> hm
20:09 <guru3> it's like seeing blue written in yellow and being asked what color it is
20:09 <ghableska> hehe
20:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok :)
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdate
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdate not found. Sorry.
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #describe armabotupdater
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
20:17 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
20:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron armabotupdater /support/armabot cmd "nohup svn update /home/supybot/ircstuff/plugins &"
20:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> that should work i think
20:26 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6062 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rFont.cpp: Fixed Yet Another Wrapping Bug: for a word that wouldn't fit onto a line the last character on the first line would be ignored.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6063 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp:
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Worked around inconsistent wall data that comes from old servers.
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Optimized distance/alpha calculations a bit.
20:34 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6064 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp ui/uMenu.cpp): Rebeautified according to astyle.
20:43 <wrtlprnft> z-man is the performance guy right now. He should go optimize the trunk :s
20:43 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit, to be exac
20:43 <wrtlprnft> t
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6065 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (tools/tDirectories.cpp tron/gWall.cpp): (log message trimmed)
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6055 to 6064:
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20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: r6064 | z-man | 2006-08-10 20:35:32 +0200 (Thu, 10 Aug 2006) | 3 lines
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: Rebeautified according to astyle.
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21:02 <Lucifer_arma> when you make a partition, you're limited by blocks, right? So if you specify a number of bytes that causes the boundary to fall in the middle of a block it gets clamped to the block?
21:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
21:04 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
21:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i guess so
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21:09 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/VValue#Random <-- shouldn't that rather be a function?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> and how do you send that to the client?
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: any idea how much space is saved on a reiserFS vs ext3 when you have lots of little files?
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I could do a trial run with the portage directory, heh
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's quite a bit
21:19 <wrtlprnft> i'm using reiserfs for everything
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can't just repartition and reformat, the machine has to be running in the meantime. :) So I've got 55GB to work with right now and I'm trying to decide if I should split up /var and /usr from /
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I will definitely be pulling /boot off to its own partition in a bit, after I get that far
21:21 <wrtlprnft> /boot only needs like 32MB
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it doesn't need much :)
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> what it really needs is to be isolated from the rest of the system. iirc, you can unmount it after the machine is booted up.
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> actually it doesn't matter a lot if I'm not going to dual-boot linuxes, but I was thinking of backing it up with a raw image in addition to backing up the files
21:27 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you don't even need to mount it at all
21:27 <wrtlprnft> it's used by grub only
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> really? that's interesting, I didn't know that at all
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I only need to mount it to back it up
21:29 <wrtlprnft> and to update the kernel
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> right. :)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> test \n tesz
21:29 <wrtlprnft> finally
21:29 * Lucifer_arma just learned he had to pick kernel sources with eselect and finally got his kernel updated
21:29 <wrtlprnft> irssi was expanding \n to a newline
21:30 <wrtlprnft> which is great for code pastes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> "great"
21:34 <wrtlprnft> armabot's gonna step out for a second
21:34 <wrtlprnft> #quit
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21:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, armabot is eating 5.3% of my memory after startup
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> wow. I don't think it ate that much memory after startup when I had it.
21:47 <wrtlprnft> depends on how much memory you have ;)
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> 256MB
21:49 <wrtlprnft> 128
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I also had two bots running :)
21:49 <wrtlprnft> well, they'll share the python interpreter
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> so /usr is 6GB, /usr/portage is 2GB, and apparently I need a max of 4GB to hold packages on /usr
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> the two bots ran in separate processes and only shared the interpreter on disk, but it was loaded separately in memory
21:51 <wrtlprnft> no, they'll share constants and the binary i think
21:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ??? re Random
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896/512
21:53 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 512 = 117,231,408
21:53 <wrtlprnft> well, how shall the client and the server get the same random value?
21:53 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: /boot doesn't need to be a seperate partition, nor does it need to be mounted *ever*
21:54 <wrtlprnft> a) Lucifer_arma doesn't have it on a separate partition right now
21:54 <wrtlprnft> b) i already told him he doesn't have to mount it
21:54 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: a predictable random algorithm?
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I absolutely don't need you ever telling me how I should set up my computer
21:54 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I'm not, just telling you that it doesn't need either of those things
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, making a separate partition for /boot is "best practice" for a lot of reasons, and you're just not in a position to overrule that in my mind
21:55 <wrtlprnft> [blocks B ] ~media-libs/openal-20050504 (is blocking media-libs/freealut-1.0.1)
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: which one shall i keep?
21:55 <Luke-Jr> of course you can always opt to do them anyway-- I usually make a /boot partition and leave it unmounted myself
21:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't know what either are
21:55 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I have no idea what they are
21:57 <wrtlprnft> looks like openal changed their versioning system somehow and they conflict
21:57 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-485036-highlight-freealut.html
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> does reiserfs 3.whatever support quotas? I seem to recall seeing that it does...
21:58 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: I think so-- IIRC, it just lacks ACLs
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> dn't need acls, regular posix permissions are fine for me :)
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> need quotas though, or my backup plan goes to shit in /home
21:59 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild U ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810-1.6.4 [1.6.1] USE="dri -debug" 434 kB
21:59 <wrtlprnft> sweet.
21:59 <Luke-Jr> I imagine any filesystem needs quotas to be taken seriously these days
21:59 <wrtlprnft> hope it fixes some issues :s
21:59 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: IIRC, Intel just release source for some new drivers
21:59 <wrtlprnft> for some new cards
21:59 <wrtlprnft> i know
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_use_User_Quota's <--- this says it does
22:00 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't know there was an update for older cards too
22:00 <Lucifer_arma> is that going to give you more fps? :)
22:00 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:00 <wrtlprnft> hope it will, but that's not the main thing
22:00 <wrtlprnft> will i be able to close my notebook again?
22:01 <Luke-Jr> again?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> currently the screen stays black after opening it no matter what i do
22:01 <Luke-Jr> if it used to work, why not downgrade?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> with <xorg-7 it worked
22:01 <Luke-Jr> oh
22:01 <Luke-Jr> that's why XD
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> in fdisk, what exactly do the start and end columns refer to? cylinders?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> if i only knew...
22:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g 979933/121
22:02 <armabot> 979,933 / 121 = 8,098.61983
22:02 <wrtlprnft> i messed up some things like that already
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i was trying to resize a filesystem, and i couldn't get resizereiserfs or whatever to match the size of fdisk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> I think there's still a few megs of space wasted because I didn't wanna risk losing my data
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm being totally freaking anal about this
22:08 <Lucifer_arma> fdisk -u will give you size listings in sectors
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> a sector is 512 bytes, iirc, and numSectors * 512 gives the size of the hard drive
22:09 <Lucifer_arma> in bytes, that is
22:11 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, sector size varies from HD to HD
22:12 <Luke-Jr> in theory, anyway
22:12 <wrtlprnft> what about having it display bytes? :s
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> no option, apparently. I don't think that would be useful anyway if partitions are clamped by sector like they appear to be
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's a unit in there that is defined as the same size for all hard drives. It may be sector, it might be track. Certainly, I don't remember which it is, but it's the atomic unit as far as partitioning goes, I think.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> Sorry, too late now. Place that in your .screenrc file.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> guess i'm gonna restart screen
22:15 <wrtlprnft> grr
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22:21 <Lucifer_arma> /dev/hdd5 20900628 22523129 811251 83 Linux
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> /dev/hdd5 1302 1402 811251 83 Linux
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> which one is showing me an atomic unit? is it the second entry or the first? both are the same partition, the first shows sectors, the second is fdisk default
22:22 <wrtlprnft> dunno...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> use qtparted :P
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> NO!
22:22 <wrtlprnft> haha
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in a few more versions, but qtparted is the program that currently has the highest likelihood of trashing my partition table earlier this summer
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> besides, while you were gone I said:
22:23 * Lucifer_arma is tired of saying "8GB" and getting "7.9GB"
22:23 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:23 <wrtlprnft> i'm supposed to have 1GB of ram...
22:23 <wrtlprnft> really i have 1010MB
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> that irritates me too. I have some sticks back there that are like that. Not in my server right now, though. :)
22:25 * wrtlprnft hates dealing with hardware
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, looks like I need to use the second entry, which is cylinders like I suspected
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> er no, read that wrong, it doesn't say anything like that :(
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it asks for cylinders. :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> grr, how can i get screen to change the konsole window title?
22:29 <wrtlprnft> zsh does that nicely, but screen won
22:29 <wrtlprnft> 't pass it on to the terminal
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, screen does it for me just fine
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22:31 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, cylinders is the magic number that partitions are clamped on, and it looks like the operation is truncate
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, screen works nicely for me
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, it works
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but not the way i'd like it to work
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing all my long emerges in a screen session and I use the title of the konsole window for my progress report
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> now I want the largest unit I can get for size that is an integer and as close to GB as possible. But GB is an irrational number for this hard drive, so I can't just use it.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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22:34 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7296
22:34 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,296 = 8,226,765.47
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn, just lost it completely, the first conversion went to a real number :(
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> s/real/rational
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I did it wrong
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7297
22:35 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,297 = 8,225,638.06
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 / 7298
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 / 7,298 = 8,224,510.95
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, if I'm going to use an approximation, I'll use GB directly :)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60022480896 bytes in GB
22:36 <armabot> 60,022,480,896 bytes = 55.9002914 gigabytes
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g 7297/55.9002914
22:37 <armabot> 7,297 / 55.9002914 = 130.535992
22:41 <wrtlprnft> well, if someone sees ed (with one d) coming in here at any time, tell him to be patient as i'm always there but not always active :)
22:42 <wrtlprnft> some people who aren't used to IRC tend to leave withing 5 minutes if noone replies
22:42 <wrtlprnft> or to this sleepy channel
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:45 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60.0/1053
23:50 <armabot> 60.0 / 1,053 = 0.056980057
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23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8/1053
23:50 <armabot> 8 / 1,053 = 0.00759734093
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 8*1024/1053
23:51 <armabot> (8 * 1,024) / 1,053 = 7.77967711
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00:36 <Lucifer_arma> quick, how many cylinders do I need for a 9GB partition?
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 bytes in GB
00:38 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 bytes = 57.2696686 gigabytes
00:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g 21587332 * 1024
00:40 <armabot> 21,587,332 * 1,024 = 22,105,427,968
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 22,105,427,968 bytes in GB
00:41 <armabot> 22,105,427,968 bytes = 20.5872841 gigabytes
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> #g 43514/20.5872841
00:43 <armabot> 43,514 / 20.5872841 = 2,113.63479
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2,113.63479 / 1024
00:44 <armabot> 2,113.63479 / 1,024 = 2.06409647
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> #g 61492838400 / 119150
00:49 <armabot> 61,492,838,400 / 119,150 = 516,096
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01:35 <luke-jr_> upgrading to modular X now...
01:35 * luke-jr_ gave in
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01:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5 GB in MB
01:50 <armabot> 5 gigabytes = 5,120 megabytes
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> is it possible to copy a file without changing the destination's modified time attribute?
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01:59 <Lucifer_arma> I might be about to totally fuck over my server
02:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes
02:18 <luke-jr_> cp -a
02:19 <luke-jr_> you can also copy just the mtime with touch DEST -r SRC
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02:38 <luke-jr_> guru3: !!!!!!!!!
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i sure hope the Wii doesnt use Nintendo Wifi Connection the way the ds does
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i mean, unless they WANT to lose money
02:52 <luke-jr_> why are the forums down? >:O
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03:02 <Vanhayes> A HA! I finally found my user.cfg file, it was in C:\Documents and Settings\UsernameHere\Application Data\Armagetron\var which was a hidden file
03:02 <Vanhayes> damn that was hard to find, it didnt show up in a a search at all
03:02 <luke-jr_> that's where it's supposed to be, yes
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03:03 <Vanhayes> really? I thought it was supposed to be in config folder...
03:04 <Luke-Jr> config folder is for the system, not the user
03:15 <Vanhayes> whatever was wrong with 0.3 for me was fixed when I deleted user_3_0.cfg just now
03:15 <Vanhayes> it works fine now
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05:13 <spidey> #g 21.1%+6.8%+86.5%
05:13 <armabot> (21.1%) + (6.8%) + (86.5%) = 1.14400
05:13 <spidey> hmm
05:13 <spidey> #g 21.1+6.8+86.5
05:13 <armabot> 21.1 + 6.8 + 86.5 = 114.4
05:13 <spidey> ah
05:13 * spidey feels stupid
05:14 <spidey> #g 21.1+6.8
05:14 <armabot> 21.1 + 6.8 = 27.9
05:14 <spidey> 69.1% left
05:15 <spidey> take off 10% for the footer
05:15 <spidey> yay,fixed
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06:11 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: what's with the forums?
06:23 <spidey> hmm
06:24 <spidey> #g 70% in px
06:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:24 <spidey> bastard
06:24 <spidey> oh
06:24 <spidey> #g 70% in pixels
06:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:24 <spidey> -_-
06:24 <[dlh]_> er...
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06:25 <Vanhayes> wtf, 70% in pixels???
06:26 <spidey> it's css
06:26 <spidey> webdesign
06:26 <Vanhayes> my as well try 70% in houses
06:26 <spidey> i need to convert the equal to 70% in pixels
06:26 <spidey> houses?
06:26 <Vanhayes> ...
06:26 <Vanhayes> 70% of what?
06:26 <spidey> 70% of the browser height
06:26 <spidey> ok say
06:26 <spidey> browser width = 100%
06:26 <spidey> and same for the height
06:27 <spidey> if you wanna posistion layers
06:27 <spidey> you gotta split it up
06:27 <spidey> so
06:27 <spidey> say you want 2 boxes
06:27 <spidey> it would be like
06:27 <Vanhayes> no browser height would = a number not a percentage, I thought
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> you shouldn't be specifying height for the most part
06:27 <spidey> why?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> only under very exceptional circumstances should you specify height
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> because :)
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> umm, actually
06:28 <spidey> ok here's what i got so far
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> normally you let the browser render it and you just specify widths and approximate placement
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> give the browser hints on where it goes, and then let the browser decide where to put it
06:28 <spidey> yea
06:28 <spidey> i use fluid
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> then check to make sure it looks good in the browsers you care about
06:28 <spidey> perecnts
06:28 <spidey> the browser resizes it then
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, em is a good "hard" measurement if you want a width that doesn't resize
06:29 <spidey> i only care about firefox ;x
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> however, the browser will invariably fuck you over if you try to specify height
06:29 <spidey> i want it to resize
06:29 <spidey> that's the point of this
06:29 <spidey> i could make it only 1280x1024
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> some browsers (even the same browser on different operating systems) have different-sized fonts
06:29 <spidey> specify a font size
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I read that you were trying to set the height for something, so wanted to jump in and say not to
06:29 <spidey> in html,body add font-size: 11;
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> aha, what unit are you going to use for font size?
06:29 <spidey> or whatever
06:30 <spidey> it's css
06:30 <spidey> not tables :p
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> and what unit are you going to use for font size?
06:30 <[dlh]> 11 what?
06:30 <spidey> -_-
06:30 <spidey> ok go here
06:30 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
06:30 <spidey> you see that font size?
06:30 <spidey> that's font-size: 11;
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> 11 what?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> points? pixels?
06:30 <spidey> -_-
06:31 <spidey> i don't know
06:31 <spidey> i just know how it works
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> it matters! It matters because if you specify points, depending on the dpi of the browser reading it, the size will be *different*
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> if you specify pixels, then on Windows and Mac the font size will be different because pixels are different sizes there
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> (mac os x runs at 90 dpi, iirc, or maybe windows does and mac is higher)
06:32 <Vanhayes> all I was saying is you cant expect to get 70% of anything without giving the total
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, css rule number 1: ALWAYS put a unit on every number you put in (except colors)
06:32 <spidey> windows runs on whatever you set it to
06:32 <spidey> i got mine at 75dpi
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha, so users might even have it set differently :)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> my x.org is set at 75dpi. :)
06:32 <spidey> i don't care about font size
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> then why did you specify it in the css?
06:32 <spidey> so it looks good to me!
06:33 <spidey> skrew what it looks like to everyone else
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> but it may be unreadable to other people
06:33 <spidey> i made it for me to overlook stats
06:33 <spidey> if someone else wants to
06:33 <spidey> ok
06:33 <spidey> if not i don't care :)
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't care what it looks like to anybody else, then why bother putting it on the web in the first place?
06:33 <spidey> so
06:33 <spidey> i
06:33 <spidey> can
06:33 <spidey> see
06:33 <spidey> it
06:33 <spidey> i don't want to run a local webserver just to view stats
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> cat statfile.txt > /dev/null
06:34 <spidey> the point is so
06:34 <spidey> i don't have to do multi ssh sessions
06:34 <spidey> i get one from luke
06:34 <spidey> and one from my webserver
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> ssh someplaceorother startkde
06:34 <spidey> it's easier this way ggkthnx
06:34 * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma for being a Luke-Jr
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> pardon me, I was trying to help you with css and got bitched at, so I bitched back
06:35 <spidey> -_-
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'll ignore text that looks like: "spidey needs help!"
06:36 <spidey> spidey only asked the bot what 70% in pixels was
06:36 <[dlh]> ...
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> which clearly says "spidey needs help"
06:36 <Vanhayes> ... is right
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> because any fucking idiot knows a percentage is a ratio
06:37 <spidey> 'er
06:37 <Vanhayes> #g 70% of 100 in pixels
06:37 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> and in order to convert any percentage to any other unit, you *must* know the whole of that unit
06:37 <spidey> well
06:37 <spidey> i know this
06:37 <spidey> 40px = 7.3%
06:37 <spidey> i did that,and got it perfect
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> resize your browser
06:37 <spidey> i did
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> and the size of the box changed, right?
06:38 <spidey> ya
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> so it's not 40 pixels anymore, right?
06:38 * spidey minimizes,i'll be back when i'm done -_-
06:38 * Lucifer_arma celebrates
06:39 <spidey> ok nvm
06:39 <spidey> i'll finish
06:39 <spidey> see
06:39 <spidey> the footer = 7.3%
06:39 <spidey> right?
06:39 <[dlh]> no
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> width, right?
06:39 <spidey> height
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> because afaik, you can't specify height with a percentage anyway
06:39 * spidey mentally ignores dlh
06:39 <spidey> anyways
06:39 <spidey> you specify the center and the header
06:39 <spidey> by the time you're done
06:39 <spidey> it all falls in place
06:40 <spidey> so
06:40 <spidey> if you do it RIGHT
06:40 <spidey> 7.3% = 40px
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, because if you resize your browser, the page dimensions change
06:40 <spidey> yes
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> let's assume that you can give a percentage for a height for a minute, ok?
06:40 <spidey> which is it changing for res's
06:40 <spidey> that's a fluid page
06:41 <spidey> which is what i'm doing
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> if your height is what you say it is when the browser is 600pixels in width, then when you resize to 300 pixels in width, the height of the page will increase and 7.3% will be more than 40 pixels
06:41 <spidey> i'm working with one res,when i'm done i'll resize the browser
06:41 <spidey> if it looks good i'll use it
06:41 <spidey> if not i'll go back and fix it
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> the exact effect it has will actually be somewhat unpredictable
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> which is why I say you specify only width with percentages, and only height when you can use a unit like em
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> because em is a unit size that depends on the font size that's in effect, so when the font size changes for some reason, so does the size of the box
06:42 <spidey> if you use percents it changes
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> if you specify the width, it still changes height, because it keeps the width in the percent you gave it and expands downward as needed
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> however, if you give it a height and its contents are larger than that height, then they will spill out the bottom
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> in firefox, anyway. I understand IE will just self-destruct and take your monitor with it
06:43 <spidey> IE sucks
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you only ever specify a height for anything when you can guarantee the content will never be large enough to spill out the bottom
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> use padding to deal with the space between the border and the text/image if you need to, and give it the width you want
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> then let it be as tall as you want. That's the Right Way. Of course, you don't have to do it that way.
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, let it be as tall as *it* wants
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know why tank disabled the forums?
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07:16 <luke-jr_> Xgl is buggy
07:16 <luke-jr_> fyi
07:24 <spidey> #g 100-82 / 2
07:24 <armabot> 100 - (82 / 2) = 59
07:24 <spidey> #g 100-82
07:24 <armabot> 100 - 82 = 18
07:25 <luke-jr_> #g 293-2123+248*2283/1381+238
07:25 <armabot> 293 - 2,123 + ((248 * 2,283) / 1,381) + 238 = -1,182.01883
07:25 <luke-jr_> fun
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07:26 <spidey> #g 77+10+13
07:26 <armabot> 77 + 10 + 13 = 100
07:27 <spidey> O.o
07:45 <spidey> [21:45] ( Lucifer_arma ) so you only ever specify a height for anything when you can guarantee the content will never be large enough to spill out the bottom
07:45 <spidey> there's a fix for that,d00
07:45 <spidey> it's called overflow: auto;
07:45 <spidey> ;)
07:45 <spidey> it'll then do like this
07:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/score2.php
07:46 <spidey> wait
07:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/scores2.php
07:46 <spidey> there
07:46 <spidey> overflow: auto; fixes it spilling over the div layer
07:47 <spidey> and btw
07:47 <spidey> i fixed the site
07:47 <spidey> it works at all browser sizes unless it's unreasonably small
07:52 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/test.html
07:52 <spidey> see? :p
07:53 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/test.htm
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09:20 <guru3> the forums did someone say?
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09:37 <wrtlprnft> font-size: 11; is NOT valid CSS nor is it defined what unit it should be. Browsers will most likely pick one of pt, px or em
09:37 <wrtlprnft> font sizes should always be in em where possible. That font sizes differ according to browser settings is a Good Thing (TM)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> #later tell Vanhayes "Application Data" is a hidden dir, you need to check to search for those. 0.3.1 will have a menu item that shows you the location of user*.cfg
10:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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10:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the forums were locked for awhile
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11:30 <eddiefantastic> #list
11:30 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Weather
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Error: 'Weather' is not a valid plugin.
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Goofle
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Error: 'Goofle' is not a valid plugin.
11:31 <eddiefantastic> #list Google
11:31 <armabot> eddiefantastic: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
11:32 <eddiefantastic> #armaservers
11:32 <armabot> eddiefantastic: Unable to download feed.
11:33 <eddiefantastic> #armaconfig
11:33 <armabot> eddiefantastic: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
11:35 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic == ed?
12:16 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/
12:16 <spidey> woot
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16:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: wtf? font sizes should never be in em or ex
16:11 <luke-jr_> em/ex are defined *by* font-size
16:11 <luke-jr_> font sizes should be a percentage value
16:22 <GodTodd> tell that to the w3c
16:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/fonts.html#font-size-props
16:29 <wrtlprnft> > On all other properties, 'em' and 'ex' length values refer to the computed font size of the current element. On the 'font-size' property, these length units refer to the computed font size of the parent element.
16:29 <wrtlprnft> ie 1.5 em means the same as 150%
16:30 <GodTodd> don't confuse the issue with facts ;)
16:30 <wrtlprnft> heh
16:31 <luke-jr_> I guess that means the measure is in height
16:31 <wrtlprnft> ?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> font-size:2em; and font-size:200%; are equivalent
16:31 <luke-jr_> if 1.5em = 150% and 1em = height of font, then font-size's value is a height
16:31 <wrtlprnft> it is
16:32 <wrtlprnft> what else should it be?
16:32 <luke-jr_> square units?
16:32 <wrtlprnft> width isn't reasonable for a proportional font
16:32 <luke-jr_> sqrt(width^2 * height^2)
16:32 <wrtlprnft> the the letter i would be higher than the letter m?!
16:33 <luke-jr_> really, it could be anything and a properly designed website would still work fine
16:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: obviously it works with averages of some sort-- 'i' is also taller than 'm'
16:34 <wrtlprnft> then take i and M
16:34 <luke-jr_> anyhow, percentage values don't rely on an exception =p
16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
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20:57 <spidey> hmm
20:59 <wrtlprnft> mmh
21:00 * spidey is trying to make a phpport scanner
21:01 <spidey> $if ($port = 4534)
21:01 <wrtlprnft> $if?
21:01 <spidey> echo "Online";
21:01 <spidey> } else { echo "offline" }
21:01 <wrtlprnft> will always say "Online"
21:01 <spidey> no
21:02 <spidey> -$ on if
21:02 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php?source=aap_serverinfo.php
21:04 <spidey> doesn't that return all servers?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> no, it lets you query one particular server
21:05 <wrtlprnft> the problem with querying a server is that you need to send something valid and have it reply.
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it's UDP, not TCP
21:05 <spidey> ya
21:06 <wrtlprnft> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
21:06 <wrtlprnft> if ($si->load($i))
21:06 <wrtlprnft> $serverinfo[] = $si;
21:06 <wrtlprnft> that's how you use that piece of code
21:07 <wrtlprnft> where $i is an array("host" => "someip", "port" => 1234)
21:07 <wrtlprnft> and $serverinfo will contain various information about the server, try print_r($serverinfo) to get it all
21:08 <spidey> arma runs on 4534 right?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> by default.
21:16 <DrJoeTron> boogboogboogboog
21:16 * DrJoeTron needs to become an audio engineer in 3 days
21:17 <spidey> that's to advanced for me
21:17 <spidey> i suck at php :D
21:21 <spidey> besides,that returns everything
21:21 <spidey> i only want online/offline :s
21:27 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/aap_master.php
21:27 <spidey> lol
21:36 <Vanhayes> er whats supposed to be on that page spidey ?
21:37 <Vanhayes> all it shows for me is: a:0:{}
21:38 <wrtlprnft> put the file i linked to somewhere. then you can figure out if your server is online in just a few lines
21:38 <wrtlprnft> <?php
21:38 <wrtlprnft> include('aap_master.php');
21:38 <wrtlprnft> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
21:39 <wrtlprnft> if($si->load(array('host' => "yourip", )))
21:39 <wrtlprnft> if($si->load(array('host' => "yourip", 'port' => "4534")))
21:39 <wrtlprnft> {
21:39 <wrtlprnft> echo "online";
21:39 <wrtlprnft> } else {
21:39 <wrtlprnft> echo "offline";
21:39 <wrtlprnft> }
21:40 <spidey> hmm
21:40 <spidey> k
21:40 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php
21:40 <spidey> doesn't poll the servers ;s
21:41 <wrtlprnft> i know. the master it uses is down it seems
21:41 <spidey> ya
21:41 <wrtlprnft> but the code for polling a single server should work
21:42 <spidey> i changed it but it still doesn't load for me :s
21:42 <spidey> kk
21:43 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/serverlist.php
21:53 <wrtlprnft> wow. I thought bittorrent was supposed to be fast.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> i'm getting 17KB/s downrate on a torrent. Even the busiest HTTP server could give me more
21:55 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it's accelerating. 240KB/s
21:56 <wrtlprnft> still not optimum, but OK. My connection would go up to waay more
22:00 <wrtlprnft> omg 1MB/s. That is fast!
22:06 <wrtlprnft> hah, nothing with 1MB/s. It says that, but really the file grows by like 50KB/s
22:06 <wrtlprnft> screw bittorrent, HTTP is faster
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22:15 <spidey> wrtlprnft my point
22:15 <spidey> bittorent sucks
22:16 <wrtlprnft> p2p sucks
22:16 <spidey> i get 40x the speed on p2p that i do on bittorrent
22:17 <spidey> p2p always maxes out my downstream
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it all sucks, buy floppies
22:17 <spidey> ....
22:17 <spidey> why would i want a floppy? :p
22:17 <wrtlprnft> because it sucks less.
22:17 <spidey> i don't think i have 1 thing on this computer that would fit on a floppy
22:18 <wrtlprnft> /dev/null would
22:18 <spidey> Uptime: 19hrs 33mins 52secs Record Uptime: 6days 19hrs 5mins 37secs
22:18 <spidey> hmm
22:18 <spidey> anyways
22:18 <wrtlprnft> errm
22:18 <spidey> windows
22:18 <wrtlprnft> 22:20:01 up 23 days, 17 min, 5 users, load average: 0.19, 0.12, 0.08
22:18 <wrtlprnft> 22:18:52 up 20 days, 8:01, 8 users, load average: 1.22, 0.90, 0.64
22:18 <spidey> i had a power outage at 6 days
22:19 <wrtlprnft> first one is my server, 2nd this laptop
22:19 <spidey> that was gay :(
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 20:20:59 up 21 days, 7:56, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
22:19 <wrtlprnft> that's aabeta
22:19 <wrtlprnft> 21:21:33 up 15 days, 7:14, 6 users, load average: 0.18, 0.30, 0.27
22:19 <wrtlprnft> that's ed's server
22:20 <spidey> [spidey@venture ~/]$ uptime
22:20 <spidey> 8:21PM up 597 days, 20:12, 1 user, load averages: 0.14, 0.10, 0.09
22:20 <wrtlprnft> x_x
22:20 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
22:20 <spidey> 21:22:14 up 49 days, 2:47, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.01
22:20 <spidey> my server's down
22:21 <spidey> my mom broke her computer so i'm letting her use one of mine untill i fix it
22:21 <spidey> now she has to learn linux
22:21 <spidey> mwhahaha
22:22 <wrtlprnft> if i knew ph's IP right now i could tell you his
22:22 <wrtlprnft> but he's probably offline anyways
22:23 <wrtlprnft> that makes 5 machines to SSH to
22:23 <spidey> i got 4
22:23 <spidey> 2 of luke-jr's and 2 servers
22:23 <spidey> i'll have 5 when i get my server back
22:24 <spidey> just waiting for a powersupply -_-
22:24 <spidey> though
22:24 <spidey> i don't really use luke-jr's O.o
22:25 <spidey> Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: aap_serverinfo in /home/acid/public_html/serverlist.php on line 3
22:25 <spidey> what's that mean
22:26 <spidey> O.o
22:28 <guru3> i want a 2d client for armagetron
22:28 <spidey> cockpitview?
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> just comment out all the 3D rendering and use the HUD map
22:40 <spidey> bah
22:40 <spidey> i gotta help someone move tomorrow
22:40 <spidey> -_-
22:41 <wrtlprnft> good.
22:42 <spidey> oh i'll be back
22:42 <spidey> besides it'll only be over the period of time you're asleep
22:42 <wrtlprnft> sure?
22:42 <spidey> ya
22:43 <spidey> i'll be leaving at about 9pm my time,and get back at 6am
22:44 <wrtlprnft> 6am at your place = 1pm here
22:46 <spidey> so i'll be here :p
22:47 <spidey> i could wake up a bit early and come home
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that error means you hve a line like this: $something = new SomeClass();
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: but the file that defines SomeClass is not being included. So it's non-existent
22:48 <spidey> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i gave him the code that should work
22:48 <spidey> tis what wartl told me to do
22:48 <wrtlprnft> his fault if it doesn't
22:48 <spidey> is not
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> <?php
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> include('aap_master.php');
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 21:38 <wrtlprnft> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <spidey> i copy/pasted
22:48 <spidey> <?php
22:48 <spidey> include('aap_master.php');
22:48 <spidey> $si = new aap_serverinfo();
22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", )))
22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", 'port' => "4534")))
22:48 <spidey> {
22:48 <spidey> echo "online";
22:48 <spidey> } else {
22:48 <spidey> echo "offline";
22:48 <wrtlprnft> 22:48 <spidey> if($si->load(array('host' => "127.0.0.1", )))
22:48 <spidey> }
22:48 <spidey> ?>
22:48 <wrtlprnft> that one's a typo, obviously
22:48 <spidey> ?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> i pressed return accidently
22:50 <wrtlprnft> and aap_serverinfo.php needs to be included
22:50 <spidey> i'll bbl
22:50 <spidey> gonna go get some pot -_-
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sewing today
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was down to 1 pair of pants, and I just wore them for like 4 weeks without washing. They've gotten pretty gritty, heh.
22:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> So now I'm going through all my ripped pants and fixing them, because they're all clean. :)
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> APparently I lost a little weight recently, too, because some pants that didn't fit now fit.
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23:06 <spidey> i hate my uncle
23:06 <spidey> fucker now says we're not leaving for 30 mintues
23:07 <spidey> -_-
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I hate your uncle too
23:07 <spidey> haha
23:07 <spidey> ok now lets see
23:07 <spidey> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mb_convert_encoding() in /home/acid/public_html/aap_serverinfo.php on line 98
23:08 <spidey> this is where i miss kwrite
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> mb_convert_encoding() is a php built-in that wasn't built in
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> if your'e in gentoo, you probably need a use flag to enable it. Don't know about any other OS, Mandriva had it compiled in so it was always available to me
23:10 <spidey> webserver is fedora
23:10 <spidey> ok got it
23:10 <spidey> just excluded return mb_convert_encoding($out, 'UTF-8', 'ISO-8859-1');
23:11 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/serverlist.php
23:11 <spidey> thanks wrtl :D
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> haha, my daughter just said "Have you seen the cannonball man?" and I thought she said...
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> "Have you seen the cannibal man?"
23:13 <spidey> lmao
23:14 <spidey> lets see
23:14 <spidey> brb
23:16 <spidey> <?php
23:16 <spidey> if (!isset($_GET['goto'])) include 'home.php';
23:16 <spidey> if(is_file($_GET['goto'] . ".php")) include htmlspecialchars($_GET['goto'] . ".php");
23:16 <spidey> ?>
23:16 <spidey> should make stuff tons easier ;x
23:16 <wrtlprnft> umm, that's not safe.
23:16 <spidey> ?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yourpage?goto=/etc/passwd
23:17 <wrtlprnft> hmm, won't work directly like that since it adds .php
23:17 <spidey> :p
23:17 <wrtlprnft> still isn't really safe
23:17 <DrJoeTron> stupid armaserver
23:18 <DrJoeTron> it wont work untill i restart :(
23:18 <spidey> ?
23:18 <DrJoeTron> crashed and wont come back
23:18 <spidey> btw
23:19 <spidey> well nvm
23:20 <DrJoeTron> looks like il be getting back into the homebrew community
23:20 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/ds-xtreme-gives-drag-n-drop-capability-to-your-nintendo-ds/ about time they did it right
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> nice, no price i can see though
23:35 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
23:35 <DrJoeTron> thats because its free :p
23:36 <DrJoeTron> at least i wish it was
23:36 <DrJoeTron> 512mb could come in handy
23:36 <spidey> oh shit
23:36 <spidey> i think i just found a way to crash firefox >.<!!
23:37 <spidey> CPU: Intel Pentium IV, 2.19 GHz, 512 KB (100% Load) Memory: 344/504 MB
23:37 <spidey> yup
23:37 <spidey> damn it
23:37 <Your_mom_arma> firefox and arma always crash
23:38 <spidey> lol
23:38 <spidey> somhow i managed to include my index file
23:38 <spidey> and it just kept loading over and over
23:38 * spidey notes he sucks at php :D
23:44 <DrJoeTron> i miss invader :(
23:45 <Your_mom_arma> ?
23:46 <DrJoeTron> i haventheard from him in a while
23:46 <DrJoeTron> oh man, so one of my friends got my a full body ds lite protector
23:49 <DrJoeTron> made me pick up canvas curse again
23:49 <DrJoeTron> and then make me realize why i stopped playing
Log from 2006-08-12:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 12 2006
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ, how long have I had these pants?!?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I got part way down my stitching to close up the hole and realized I was stitching over a previous repair job
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to have to recommend dockers pretty highly for pants, I must have done this previous repair job over 3 years ago
00:09 <DrJoeTron> new metalocolypse
00:10 <spidey> yay
00:10 <spidey> done and now my life will be much easier
00:11 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
00:15 <luke-jr_> what do you all think of http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/website ?
00:16 <spidey> the colors don't match
00:16 <spidey> besides that looks good :D
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> pastel
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bah.
00:18 <wrtlprnft> bzflag sucks!
00:18 <wrtlprnft> don't host it
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> make a note saying us dollars only you dont want someone sending you 5000 rupels
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, he does want someone sending 5000 pounds
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> #g 5000 pounds in USD
00:21 <armabot> 5,000 British pounds = 9,509.5 U.S. dollars
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 currency of turkey in usd
00:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:21 <Your_mom_arma> commented out on the page ;-) <li class="note">** Subject to additional charges</li>
00:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 turkish lira in usd
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized all of my pants are dockers. No wonder they're all old, when they rip, I fix them, and keep on wearing them
00:22 <armabot> 5,000 Turkish lira = 3,448.03807 U.S. dollars
00:22 <wrtlprnft> wtf
00:22 <wrtlprnft> that's wrong
00:22 <wrtlprnft> turkish lira are worth, like, noting
00:22 <wrtlprnft> *nothing
00:22 <wrtlprnft> 1 million is about a dollar
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm going to patch beige pants with black material :)
00:23 <wrtlprnft> > On January 1, 2005 a new currency, the Yeni T�rk Liras? (YTL, ISO 4217: TRY), was introduced to Turkey. The currency was revalued and is worth 1,000,000 old Lira.
00:23 <wrtlprnft> ah, so they changed it
00:23 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Lira
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 rupees in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <wrtlprnft> #g TL turkish lira in usd
00:24 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1000 pakistani rupees in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1,000 Pakistan rupees = 16.5884521 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 1 Old Turkish lira = 6.89607613 * 10^(-7) U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> hah
00:25 <wrtlprnft> that's the right value
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 5000 TRL in usd
00:25 <armabot> 5,000 Old Turkish liras = 0.00344803807 U.S. dollars
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 eur in trl
00:25 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.86352351 million Old Turkish liras
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i'm multimillionaire!
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 loonie in USD
00:30 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:30 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in USD
00:30 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 0.89198109 U.S. dollars
00:31 <Vanhayes> not bad
00:32 <Vanhayes> #g 1 canadian dollar in yen
00:32 <armabot> 1 Canadian dollar = 102.702703 Japanese yen
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: i probably won't
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it crashes my PC
00:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and eats bandwidth
00:43 <wrtlprnft> it sucks and is cheatable
00:43 <wrtlprnft> all the game physics happen on the clients
00:43 <wrtlprnft> ie you can teleport your tank, the server doesn't care
00:43 <wrtlprnft> you can not die after being shot, the server won't care
00:44 <spidey> wtf
00:44 <spidey> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class aap_master in /home/acid/public_html/server/aap_master.php on line 29
00:44 <spidey> both scrips are identical
00:44 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:44 <spidey> :-s
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> weee. I woke up this morning with 1 good pair of pants, now I have 4
00:45 <spidey> weird
00:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/server/server2.php
00:45 <spidey> it works there
00:45 <spidey> :s
00:47 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/forum.php
00:47 <spidey> wrtlprnft, any ideas? :s
00:47 <spidey> it works untill i include
00:48 <spidey> although i included both scripts the exact same
00:48 <spidey> one works one doesn't
00:49 <wrtlprnft> looks like you're including the file twice
00:49 <wrtlprnft> use include_once instead of include
00:50 <spidey> i'm including aap_master and aap_serverinfo in 2 different files
00:50 <wrtlprnft> you don't need aap_master at all
00:50 <wrtlprnft> and just use include_once everywhere, then you'll be safe
00:51 <spidey> ok
00:51 <spidey> thanks :D
00:52 <wrtlprnft> yw
00:55 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:55 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:31 <Lucifer_arma> require_once() will cause an error if the file can't be found, include_once only gives a warning, and if your host has warnings disabled you won't see it
01:32 <spidey> i could make it produce a error
01:32 <spidey> if the files not there,but that's not the problem
01:32 <spidey> :s
01:33 <spidey> anyways i got it all now
01:33 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
01:35 <spidey> my site comes to a huge 83kb
01:35 <spidey> :D
01:35 <spidey> that's everything except the forums
01:50 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
01:50 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> 01:34 <Your_mom<font size="3">_arma> cannibalism cures obesity</font>
02:01 <spidey> lol
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> how many days in that chat log?
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02:11 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
02:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Unable to download feed.
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03:06 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have 6 pairs of pants now. :)
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04:45 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6066 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: a <=> b -- Expr::Comparison::Compare
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
05:55 <DrJoeTron> stupid alt tab breaking arma
06:00 <GodTodd> i'm here...was leaving a dump
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06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6067 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp:
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Add a missing include
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Uncomment code that somebody apparently decided to take the liberty to comment out :/
06:07 <armabot> armagetronad: (so Arma compiles)
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> aha
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> um, I just added the filebrowser component, not sure where to put it in the menu
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/filebrowser
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> for stuff that's publicly available, of course. :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm about to take the server down for a bit, need to repartition the hard drive it's on so I can finish setting up my backup system
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> might improve performance, too. Switching to reiserfs, which is supposed to be a faster filesystem than ext3 (which is already faster than ntfs anyway)
06:13 <GodTodd> ok
06:13 <GodTodd> i had a quick question for when i post some free fiction
06:14 <GodTodd> is there going to be a separate menu item for them?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question, I've been thinking about the same problem with music
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, having no answer is the reason I haven't done it yet :)
06:16 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> So, in the taxonomy, there's a spot for music, but no spot for literature
06:16 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:16 <GodTodd> that's odd
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> seems like you should go ahead and add some terms to the Articles taxonomy for your free fiction, but that doesn't settle downloadable free fiction, it only settles what people will read on the site
06:16 <GodTodd> thing is, i'm assuming that your stories that are already posted are more or less autobiographical...not really fiction
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> they are indeed autobiographical, and fiction shouldn't be bundled with them
06:16 <GodTodd> that's what i figured
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, that part of the taxonomy needs to be rethought a bit. "My stories"? Whose are they? They're mine, but where do you put them?
06:17 <GodTodd> right
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if you want to write some autobiographical stuff that's the same, where would *you* put it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Maybe add a "Stories" term to the root of Articles, and then put "fiction" and "nonfiction" under it?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> then move and rename "My Stories" to nonfiction->Dave's Stories ?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and create Todd's Stories? :)
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...that's going to be a sticking point on the one i'm just about finished with...it's more along the lines of your stories...a snapshot of a fucked up life ;)
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> organize fiction by genre, of course
06:18 <GodTodd> that might work
06:18 <GodTodd> heh...i suck at telling genre :)
06:19 <GodTodd> other than broad terms
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> you want to take a crack at doing the taxonomy changes? Practice, you know.... ;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i mean...i know fantasy from scifi from suspense...but, ya know...;)
06:19 <GodTodd> i can but try :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. Luckily we can associate a work with several articles, so the sticking point on genre doesn't apply here. :)
06:19 <GodTodd> right
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, several terms I mean
06:20 <GodTodd> yep
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I gave you write permissions to /www/home/public so you can put stuff there if you need to. Consider it soft right now and you can reorganize what's there if you need to, but it should be put in a final spot by the end of the month
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's not for files attached to articles! It's for stuff that doesn't really belong with an article at all, like class notes. :) Next semester I have another class I'll be taking notes with my laptop in,
06:24 <GodTodd> ah
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to have it setup so I can post for my classmates again. Been seeing entries in the log, feeling bad because the school site has been down for a bit. :(
06:24 <GodTodd> heh
06:27 <GodTodd> ok...we
06:27 <GodTodd> 're adding the term "stories", correct?
06:28 <GodTodd> to parent <root>?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> to the Articles category, I forget what the top-level form of the taxonomy is called :)
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> might be called "taxonomy", heh
06:32 <GodTodd> https://www.davefancella.com/admin/taxonomy/4/add/term <-- am i in the right place at least? :)
06:32 <GodTodd> cuz i don't see articles...
06:33 <GodTodd> err...well i guess this is the add term for articles....so i assume <root> is articles...heh
06:34 <GodTodd> any related terms...or leave that alone?
06:40 <GodTodd> ok...kind of like that?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> looks good to me
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> sorry about the pause, I was out smoking a cigarette :)
06:41 <GodTodd> np
06:41 <GodTodd> now...how do we do the "dave's stories" "todd's stories" thing?....more terms or just moving files?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'll move my stories, you just create "Todd Stories"
06:42 <GodTodd> as a term under the fiction/nonfiction terms?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Todd's Stories should have nonfiction as its parent
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you refresh the page that lists terms, you'll see how I put Dave's Stories there
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah...i saw :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> also, since I just reparented and renamed My Stories, all the stories linked to it retained their link. :) That's important.
06:44 <GodTodd> cool
06:44 <GodTodd> now...are we splitting the fiction one too or am i going solo on fiction? heh
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to change the default workflow for Story nodes, btw. I want to change them to moderated and have an email sent to both of us when that happens.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're on your own for fiction, but I'd suggest going ahead and creating the genre you have now
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> also, make sure when you post a story under the Stories branch that you multi-link it to its parents. Drupal doesn't automatically check children.
06:45 <GodTodd> just a broad one? i've started a suspense serial story
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> like, if you click on non-fiction right now, it's empty.
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> serial? So there'll be more stories in the universe?
06:46 <GodTodd> so...that means list parents as todd's stories, nonfiction and stories?
06:46 <GodTodd> well...ummm...hmmm
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should have a "Series" whose parent is Stories, and then a term for each series that you write
06:46 <GodTodd> it's a continuation story
06:47 <GodTodd> kind of like a book a chapter at a time except its just a long story
06:47 <GodTodd> not a book
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to look over the book module for this, and nodequeue, but in the meantime, here's what I think :)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> make the genre link with the parent Fiction. So Fiction->Suspense
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series with the parent Stories
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then make Series->YourSeriesName
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> and link the first article to YourSeriesName, Series, Suspense, and Fiction, and each subsequent story you write in that series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> that way users can browse suspense and find them, fiction, and they can browse by series
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> under the assumption that there will be more, but to be honest, I'll probably start throwing up some fiction myself when there's structure in place for it :)
06:49 <GodTodd> so...series directly under stories? not fiction?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> right, directly under stories
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> we might have non-fiction series, after all :)
06:50 <GodTodd> true :)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> and we won't be lying to anybody, because in the summary page for Series, each story lists all of the terms its linked to, so they'll see that the story is fiction, suspense
06:50 <GodTodd> ok
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> all of my old stories need to be updated to reflect their new path in the taxonomy, though. I'll take care of it, but it won't be right this minute.
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> it would be nice if drupal crawled children in its listings, though. :/
06:51 <GodTodd> definitely
06:51 <GodTodd> now...the tree look kind of ok?
06:51 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <GodTodd> i haven't posted it yet, obviously...but it should slide right in there
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it looks good to me
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Series shouldn't go any deeper for quite some time. It would be better to create a new series rather than create a sub-series right now.
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> Also, include series that have books in them, and put at least an excerpt from the book, like the first chapter. Then include a link in the excerpt to the item in the store. :)
06:56 <GodTodd> hrmm?
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> same eerywhere, really. So the book I read last spring (or whenever it was) should get a spot in here too, but don't get in too much of a hurry with it yet,
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> we still need to work out how we'll do the format conversions. :)
06:57 <GodTodd> yeah...there's a couple chapters i need to add to it anyway ;)
06:58 <GodTodd> how would you link it to the store product? like with the unc? the /node whatever of the product?
06:58 <GodTodd> or is there like a lil checkbox? heh
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> there's no checkbox. Right now you'd do it by hand in the text.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the reasons I said not to get in too much of a hurry with it. :) We'll solve that problem with the music, since the music's ready to go.
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I moved "World" to show second in the list, with music and stories being under it in alphabetical order. Not sure I like it, what do you think?
07:00 <GodTodd> you'd use this type of link then? ---> http://www.davefancella.com/node/110
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, or you can use another type, depending on your input filter. Check what you can do with the input filter you've settled on. :)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I think World, Music, and Stories should just show in alphabetical order.
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...that seems best
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> previously people came to the site to read what's in World, but that's not necessarily what they'll come for in the future
07:02 <GodTodd> input filter...hmmm...
07:02 * GodTodd checks what input filters are heh
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> go to create content and click one of those things, then click "Input filter" to see the list and the documentation
07:03 <GodTodd> oh...i see
07:03 <GodTodd> i usually use wikitext
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07:12 <GodTodd> btw...i saw a new high on guests the other night....27 i think it was....so either a bunch of people were reading it or you had a buttload of sessions open ;)
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07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that was a bunch of people reading because it sure in the hell wasn't me :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> damn, I couldn't find the module that lets you email certain roles when certain things happen
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I need that module to make it reasonable to change the default from Published to Moderated. I'd like to make that change so that we're at least reading what the other writes, preferably proofreading/editing.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> You know, raise the quality of the writing a bit by having us oversee each other. :)
07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...i was hoping it had something like that :)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> there's a workflow module, but the actions module it depends on broke the site :(
07:37 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it was a broken dependency. Installed the module it depended on and it started working again :)
07:42 <GodTodd> cool :)
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07:59 <DrJoeTron> broke another headset
07:59 <DrJoeTron> i dont desserve to have electronics
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what kind of workflow do you want, GodTodd ?
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have Draft, Review, and Published. creating a Draft does nothing. When you're done drafting it, you put it up for review, and change its state to Review
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> that causes an email to be sent to the not-yet-created alias for editors (which I'll create and have it redirect to both of us)
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> Then it gets edited, and the state gets changed to Published, which causes it to be published and another email sent telling you of the fact.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of having an action where if state changes from Review back to Draft, the author gets an email.
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that means it needs more work. :)
08:09 <GodTodd> sounds good to me :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks, apparently I can't have an alias send to any other email address I want, and it can only send to one address on the server :(
08:12 <GodTodd> hrmm
08:12 <GodTodd> can you daisy chain?
08:13 <GodTodd> like...have the alias send to a dummy address then have that one forward to two?
08:14 <GodTodd> only problem even if that works is remembering to clear out the dummy address
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, can't do that. Instead I created a fake action with your email address. It's not maintainable in the long term, if we get more editors then it gets to be a pain
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> but the mail server can be moved and the editors alias changed to work like I want it
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> it's a no-ip-imposed restriction, it's not a restriction inherent in the system. :(
08:16 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:16 <GodTodd> ok
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, apparently it queues the mail notifications. The cron job might need to run for it to send them.
08:20 <GodTodd> it run every night?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> every hour
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> did you get an email?
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I got your test email a little while ago
08:21 <GodTodd> i sent a test email?
08:21 <GodTodd> haven't gotten an email yet
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it was the test email I sent and it just took awhile to come through, heh
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the test email I sent awhile back?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it was the one I sent
08:28 <GodTodd> ermm...depends on the definition of 'awhile back' heh
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Date:
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> Tuesday 5:35:22 pm
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not getting any email from the outgoing mail server, that means I probably broke it :(
08:33 <GodTodd> heh
08:33 <spidey> -_-
08:33 <spidey> #ping
08:33 <armabot> pong
08:33 <spidey> well wtf
08:33 <spidey> i can't load webpages
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just got all of them. Can you check if you got them?
08:34 <spidey> feels nice coming home to a shitty internet -_-
08:34 <GodTodd> nada so far
08:34 * spidey wants to go back outta town all night
08:34 * spidey had fun
08:34 * Lucifer_arma wants spidey to go back outta town all night again
08:34 * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
08:34 <GodTodd> fun...i used to have that...long long ago
08:34 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> shitty internet? what's that?
08:35 <spidey> Lucifer_arma tennessee internet
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> so tennessee = shitty?
08:35 <GodTodd> it's in the name....tenneshitty
08:35 <GodTodd> ;)
08:35 <spidey> GodTodd,we left with $150 and come home with a quater oz and a case of budlight
08:35 <spidey> :D
08:35 <spidey> we had fun ;x
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like you got ripped off
08:36 <GodTodd> that's expensive shit
08:36 <spidey> nah,that's what we came home with
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, you can get good pot in Austin for $35 for a quarter bag
08:36 <spidey> it's $30 here
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'm talking about *good* pot, not the $25 crap
08:36 <spidey> skunk weed is good
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: get an email yet?
08:37 <GodTodd> heh i wouldn't know good pot from oregeno
08:37 <GodTodd> nope
08:37 <spidey> we got the quater for $30 the case for $20-22 and the rest we spent on munchies cigarettes and gas
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok, that sounds better then
08:38 <GodTodd> so...like .75 on munchies? ;)
08:38 <GodTodd> heh
08:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp?annotate=6066&pathrev=6067#l204
08:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man commented out, with this commit message:
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Fixed complaints about comparing singed and unsigned values.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> Commented out unused function.
08:39 <spidey> i can't load a single website
08:39 <spidey> not even google
08:39 <wrtlprnft> (referring to your last commit
08:42 <GodTodd> should be on its way now
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I hate singed values. I prefer to only slightly cook values, myself.
08:42 <GodTodd> action 08/12/2006 - 1:44am Sent email to todd.macy@gmail.com davetheknave
08:42 <GodTodd> action 08/12/2006 - 1:44am Sent email to dave@davefancella.com davetheknave
08:42 <GodTodd> action 08/12/2006 - 1:44am Sent email to editors@davefancella.com davetheknave
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: made some changes, you should get an email soon now :)
08:43 <GodTodd> it's showing on the log at least
08:43 <GodTodd> there it is
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> there was quite a delay last time
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> ok, default is no longer "published". We'll use workflow now. :)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> you get log messages to put in too, so if you send an article back down to draft you can write in why in the log.
08:47 <GodTodd> you get that email?
08:47 <GodTodd> i bumped your shit down :P
08:47 <GodTodd> heh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, I figure if it's just a quick news item or whatever (like the one I just posted about the school notes), you can blow off the workflow and just publish it
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> apparently there's a delay for me
08:48 <GodTodd> right @ workflow
08:48 <GodTodd> hrmm i got them quick ;)
08:48 <GodTodd> err it
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I blame my mail provider.
08:48 <GodTodd> who is it?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm using their alternate-port smtp service too
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> no-ip.com
08:49 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> so my smtp traffic goes through them so I can have an outgoing mailserver on my network, otherwise drupal and the wiki wouldn't be able to send mail
08:49 <GodTodd> hey....you have an opinion on cable vs FIOS internet?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> what's FIOS? ;)
08:49 <GodTodd> ah i see
08:49 <GodTodd> Fiber Optic
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> that fiber?
08:50 <GodTodd> yeah
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh. My opinion is that /dev/null really pumped up his game server and bragged about it, then went off and played something else for awhile while the guy who was hosting it on a fiber connection took the server down.
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, no opinion, I know nothing about it.
08:50 <GodTodd> heh
08:51 <GodTodd> i guess i'll see if service dips with the time warner changeover then
08:51 <GodTodd> cuz VZ has 5/2 for 35.....or 15/2 for 45 a month
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09:00 <wrtlprnft_> grr
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> i hate im
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> playing arma, one of these bubbles pops up
09:00 <wrtlprnft_> and crashes my machine x_x
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.speakeasy.net/home/onelink/ <--- heh, can someone decipher the line speed line for me? ;)
09:02 <spidey> ya
09:02 <spidey> 1.5mbit up / 384kbit down
09:02 <spidey> wait
09:02 <spidey> reverse that
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 384kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 1.5mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> 13mbit down / 786kbit up
09:03 <spidey> a3mbit*
09:03 <spidey> 6mbit down and 768kbit up
09:03 <spidey> good enough? :p
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, thanks. :)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> apparently all speakeasy's got for me is t1
09:03 <GodTodd> ummm the 13 is actually 3
09:04 <GodTodd> :P
09:04 <GodTodd> ergh...thats dsl too
09:05 <spidey> i corrected myself :P
09:05 <spidey> and actually
09:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
09:05 <spidey> i'd pay that
09:05 <spidey> it's $3 cheaper and the up speed is 3x faster
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> $300/month for a t1?
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right, except that they don't offer dsl to my location, only t1
09:05 <spidey> well
09:05 * Lucifer_arma just went through their little web form
09:05 <GodTodd> was gonna say...you near a CO?
09:05 <spidey> bellsouth offers in my area
09:05 <spidey> and
09:06 <GodTodd> co=central office
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should call them, if they actually used my real phone number for anything other than putting in their CRM database, then the answer is questionable
09:06 * Lucifer_arma is on VOIP
09:06 <spidey> it's $12 cheaper and twice as fast both ways
09:06 <GodTodd> well...the thing is line quality the further from the co
09:06 <GodTodd> 20000 feet out is pretty well a no no
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> 23k feet is what they estimated
09:07 <spidey> lol
09:07 <GodTodd> ergh...not really good service then
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> which could be very accurate, I don't know where their office is
09:07 <spidey> well
09:07 <GodTodd> you MIGHT get 384 or 768 service
09:07 <spidey> seeing as i'm getting dsl quality right NOW
09:07 <spidey> what's the difference besides having a faster speed on a good day?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I *might* already have a fast connection. :) Basically, they can only give me a t1, and for the price of a t1, I'd put my server in a coloc instead and get what I really want out of it
09:08 <spidey> sad thing is i'm on cable
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> for regular use, I'm perfectly happy with my connection. The only reason I'd consider getting a faster one is for the server
09:09 * GodTodd spent 2.5 years as a dsl second tier tech....knows a thing or two about the shitty shit ;)
09:09 <GodTodd> heh
09:09 <GodTodd> that's a bridge that can wait to be burnt, isn't it?
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yep
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't hurt to google every now and then and see if there's a better deal available. I'd hate to find I was getting screwed out of inertia.
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> I finally got that group of email from the website
09:11 <GodTodd> true
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> so we can do real writing with it, where I could start a draft, think about it, edit it myself, and work on it over a few days. I like that.
09:11 <GodTodd> good :)
09:11 <GodTodd> long delay tho
09:11 <GodTodd> :)
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I blame no-ip for the delay. I could have it instantaneous if I pulled my pop3 service back to my own server, which I'll do whenever I get to build a real dedicated box
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> but right now my next computer purchase is going to be a backup server
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09:12 <Lucifer_arma> and it's going to happen Very Soon
09:15 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <GodTodd> i'm still debating whether to dual boot my laptop
09:26 <GodTodd> well...i'ma go to bed so that karen doesn't have to watch both kids by herself in the morning
09:26 <GodTodd> #night
09:26 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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10:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4785065.stm <--- Muslems are offended by a Christian Fascist saying "Islamic Facist".
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> clear your cache?
16:38 <DrJoeTron> i had to buy a news headset :/
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17:10 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_: I don't write functions to be unused ;p
17:11 * luke-jr_ knew he'd be using it when he implemented comparison operators
17:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: who cares if Muslems are offended?
17:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: How the heck do you get that SpeakEasy is *cheaper*? Maybe for slower service...
17:30 <spidey> luke-jr_ ecause it is
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17:48 <luke-jr_> spidey: not unless with most cable speeds/prices
17:48 <luke-jr_> not with*
17:48 <spidey> luke-jr_ did i say most??
17:48 <spidey> no i said mine
17:49 <spidey> i think i passed math enough to know if something costs MORE than something else
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18:54 <luke-jr_> spidey: your cable company must be a rip-off then
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19:24 <spidey> luke-jr_ and? how many times have i said this??? shitty service and 3mbit for $59
19:24 <spidey> besides that it's the only highspeed isp here untill september
19:24 <spidey> then i'm switching to bellsouth
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20:25 <luke-jr_> spidey: you might want to threaten first ;)
20:25 <luke-jr_> even if they won't be available for a few months
20:25 <spidey> actually i've already did that
20:26 <spidey> i even told them i'ma refer all there customers i know to bellsouth
20:26 <spidey> they don't seem to care :D
20:26 <spidey> so when bellsouth gets out here that's what i'ma do
20:26 <spidey> bellsouth has dailup out here already,and it's got better quality than my friggin cable
20:27 <spidey> it maybe slow but atleast it's MORE stable
20:27 <spidey> so i figure there highspeed dsl will be just as good
20:28 <spidey> which it'll be 6mbit down and 368kbit up
20:28 <spidey> and it's $15 cheaper
20:28 <spidey> -_-
20:29 <spidey> ohhh
20:29 <spidey> i forget
20:29 <aidans_dad> armagetronad client question - any way to log in-game chat text? aside from hacking the client?
20:29 <spidey> we'll get a discount to
20:29 <spidey> nemo made a script that includes ruby ingame
20:29 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: IIRC there was some talk about that recently on the forum
20:30 <spidey> so there should be a way to make a script that logs it
20:30 <philippeqc> but I might be mistaken
20:30 <aidans_dad> ruby... hm... something I know nothing about :(
20:31 <aidans_dad> phillippeqc: is there a forum archive you can point me to?
20:31 <[dlh]> There is a define somewhere to show console text on stdout.
20:31 <philippeqc> forums.armagetronad.net
20:31 <philippeqc> all the resources are accessible from www.armagetronad.net
20:32 <aidans_dad> Cool, thanks. dlh - that would be awesome - have compiler will travel.
20:32 <spidey> ymmm
20:32 <spidey> umm
20:32 <spidey> is it just me
20:32 <spidey> or is all the php on that page errored?
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(functions.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <spidey> Warning: main(): Failed opening 'functions.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in /home/groups/a/ar/armagetronad/htdocs/includes/header.php on line 3
20:32 <philippeqc> I'd search on the forums throught the recent ones (I'd say unless I'm quite mistaken, something was mentionned during the last month top)
20:32 <[dlh]> No, that happens a lot, spidey.
20:32 <spidey> oh
20:32 <[dlh]> It is hosted on sf now, instead of Tank's server.
20:32 <spidey> i figured it was my isp -_-
20:33 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: Have you read "Have spacesuit - will travel" ?
20:33 <aidans_dad> No, should I put it on my reading list ? :)
20:33 <philippeqc> its a light scifi from a couple of years back
20:34 <philippeqc> i enjoyed it
20:35 <philippeqc> from one of the short description on the 3rd hit of google: First published in 1958 as one of Heinlein?s ?boy?s books?, Have Spacesuit, Will Travel soon found an adult audience as well, and has become one of the most ...
20:35 * aidans_dad is searching net for it
20:37 <aidans_dad> Ah, Heinlein. I did read "stranger in a strange land" though.
20:38 <aidans_dad> OK another armage question. My son is 4 years old, and likes armagetronad.
20:38 <aidans_dad> Question:
20:38 <[dlh]> aidans_dad: check rConsole.cpp for print_to_stdout.
20:38 <aidans_dad> how do I keep him from messing with other people's internet servers?
20:38 <aidans_dad> short of unplugging the wire.
20:40 <aidans_dad> dlh: thanks. I'll definitely do that, assuming I can find all the prerequisite libs to compile armage on my box. Thanks for the research.
20:40 <philippeqc> a) he must be of great technological skills for you to fear him going to mess people internet server ;)
20:40 <philippeqc> b) no, we dont have a locking mecanism
20:40 <aidans_dad> he reads, writes, and plays armage like a 7 year old. He thinks like a 4 year old.
20:42 <aidans_dad> I guess I could change his name to "kickban me now", and when he joins a server, maybe the operator will take the hint :)
20:43 <philippeqc> If I was you, I'd hang out a bit on MBC (Micro-bus and I dont recall the C). They have low regard agains swearing on that server (never been there, just second hand thing). That might be the only place that is "ok" for him.
20:44 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: there isnt an operator on all the time though. and most people would take it as a joke instead.
20:44 <philippeqc> got a firewall/router?
20:45 <philippeqc> you could make 2 rules: 1) disable queries to the master servers (plural). Most probably by dropping all leaving trafic that is UDP on that port
20:46 <aidans_dad> I have a router running ddwrt - I guess I could try to block all udp from his machine - that would allow him to play me locally. That's a great idea.l
20:46 <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to servers (UDP again,
20:47 <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do)
20:47 <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that. Wonderful suggestion. Thanks.
20:48 <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533
20:48 <spidey> -_-
20:48 <philippeqc> np
20:48 <spidey> #last --nolimit
20:48 <armabot> spidey: [20:48:51] <philippeqc> np, [20:48:46] <spidey> -_-, [20:48:34] <philippeqc> master server port seems to be 4533, [20:47:59] <aidans_dad> Yeah, I'll go do that. Wonderful suggestion. Thanks., [20:47:40] <philippeqc> port 4534) to prevent reaching most servers (its the default configuration, bot few people change it, though probably some do), [20:46:56] <philippeqc> 2) disable outbound traffic that goes to (50 more messages)
20:48 <spidey> 'er
20:48 <spidey> #realchatlogs
20:48 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
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20:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft_, maybe split the logs?? because that's a HUGE list and takes forever to load
20:50 <aidans_dad> wow
20:50 <[dlh]_> The log will split automatically if you put a date format string in it.
20:50 <spidey> not that kinda split
20:50 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: have a look at a configuration file names "master.srv". I dont know if it is in use, but a simple test of changing all armagetronad to notArmagetronad should tell you if you can deny reaching the master servers
20:50 <spidey> different .txt files
20:50 <[dlh]_> You
20:50 <[dlh]_> 're talking about #realchatlogs, right?
20:51 <[dlh]_> wrtlprnft_'s irc log?
20:51 <spidey> ..............
20:51 <spidey> yes
20:51 <[dlh]_> Yea, irssi will split the log file into different files if the filename has a date format string in it.
20:52 <spidey> tell wrtlprnft_ that :p
20:52 <aidans_dad> Philippeqc: even easier! I could just enter somehting bogus for the master server.
20:53 <philippeqc> yes
20:53 * aidans_dad goes to modify son's config
20:53 <spidey> hmmm
20:54 <spidey> that won't work
20:54 <spidey> btw
20:54 <spidey> i don't know about now,but when the master servers where down/couldn't be connected to...it would use a old list,but that was in 2.7.1
20:55 <[dlh]_> You gotta delete frommaster.srv, too ( I think that is the name of the file)
20:55 <spidey> ?
20:55 <spidey> where's that at
20:55 <[dlh]_> The var directory
20:56 <spidey> <<windows
20:56 <[dlh]_> Oh, I don't know. ><
20:58 <philippeqc> aidans_dad: should you not succeed, post a message on the forums with the draft of what was discussed here. You'll get some more help.
20:58 <philippeqc> good luck
20:58 <philippeqc> good night all
20:58 <philippeqc> #night
20:58 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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20:58 <spidey> mmm
20:58 <spidey> aidans_dad,is all you want is for him not to be able to connect to online servers?
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21:05 <spidey> aidans_dad if that's what you want you could just hide the network game option :D
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21:05 <spidey> open english_base.txt scroll down to game menu, where it says
21:05 <spidey> network_menu_text Network Game
21:05 <spidey> delete Network Game
21:06 <spidey> and it won't show,but he'll still be able to connect if he figures it out
21:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: did I mention your cable co is STUPID? =p
21:16 <spidey> luke-jr_, i also know that
21:17 * spidey wonders if they have a online tech support
21:17 <spidey> i wanna bitch but dun wanna go get the phon
21:17 <spidey> phone
21:17 <spidey> last time i called they first said 2 things
21:17 <spidey> 1 they said it was the router
21:17 <spidey> i unplugged it and put this box straight through(i was running linux at the time)
21:18 <spidey> so they said it was because i used linux and to put the windows box on
21:18 <spidey> -_-
21:19 <spidey> of course the windows box did the same,then me and my brother where arguing and she thought i was talking to her,asked me if said she don't know what she's doing
21:19 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: there should be a Silence All option IIRC
21:20 <spidey> oh ya
21:20 <spidey> sec
21:20 <aidans_dad> Got it now - blocked the family PCs udp 4533-4534 at the router
21:20 <luke-jr_> guru3: if SF's hosting continues sucking, do feel free to move the site to hachi...
21:20 <spidey> aidans_dad that doesn't matter
21:21 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: why not just silence?
21:21 <aidans_dad> spidey: that would work too - but he can get on my computer if I'm not watching, or his mom's computer - he's quick little guy
21:21 <spidey> if he's already listed the master server once,tron will use a backup
21:21 <aidans_dad> easiest was to block it at the router.
21:21 <spidey> is not
21:21 <spidey> he can still list the servers from a old list
21:22 <spidey> luke-jr_, made the first payment
21:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: with the subscription button thing?
21:23 <aidans_dad> thanks all for the suggestions!
21:23 <spidey> yar
21:23 <Your_mom_arma> or steal the custom connect info from tanks server poll
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: cool, thanks
21:23 <spidey> aidans_dad you need to do one more thing
21:23 <luke-jr_> spidey: looks like it worked
21:23 <spidey> luke-jr_,k
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21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: Just build a client that can't do chat ;)
21:23 <luke-jr_> aidans_dad: he could still click a webpage link for a server
21:23 <spidey> or disable text output
21:24 <spidey> which is simple
21:24 <spidey> ;D
21:24 <spidey> sytem settings > misc > text wrap off
21:24 <spidey> i think
21:24 <spidey> ah
21:24 <spidey> System Setup > Misc Stuff > Text Ooutput : off
21:25 <spidey> my server just left for 2 weeks :(
21:25 <spidey> i'ma miss it
21:26 <spidey> luke-jr_, change my hosting to soldat and i'll pay $25 a month :p
21:27 <spidey> 'er
21:27 <spidey> $20
21:27 <spidey> forgot about the webserver :D
21:27 <DrJoeTron> :( i miss my headset
21:28 <spidey> argh
21:28 <spidey> i just noticed a bug in my site
21:28 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=home
21:28 <spidey> click forums
21:28 <spidey> then click it again
21:28 <spidey> :(
21:29 <aidans_dad> I saw the backup, but if he can't communicate with them on the default ports, it doesn't matter. I could block all UDP - there's nothing else he needs that for.
21:30 <spidey> no
21:30 <spidey> 4533 isn't the default port
21:30 <spidey> thats the master server port
21:30 <spidey> 4534 is the server port
21:30 <spidey> BUT
21:30 <spidey> it can be changed
21:30 <aidans_dad> I blocked them both
21:30 <spidey> like my servers
21:30 <spidey> the default port changes
21:30 <spidey> sometimes they're 4535-4537
21:31 <aidans_dad> meh - I'll go change it to block 4000-5000 :)
21:31 <spidey> :)
21:31 <spidey> that is blocking outbound right?
21:31 <spidey> because blocking it in most routers only blocks people from connecting
21:31 <spidey> connecting to you*
21:31 <aidans_dad> Hm, I don't know. I'm using a pointy-clicky interface into ddwrt. I did verify that it blocks his access to the master server...
21:32 <spidey> hmm
21:32 <aidans_dad> Or responses from it.
21:32 <spidey> you might wanna try it from his computer after you're done
21:32 <spidey> if nothing more,just disable text and hide the option
21:33 <spidey> or change the master server lists in master.svc to something else and delete ftommaster.svc
21:33 <aidans_dad> I could do that, but he could still join a team server and drive around in a non-team-like fashion... although he's pretty good when he's not using his robot.
21:33 <spidey> lol
21:34 <spidey> then in Armagetron Advanced\config change master.scv
21:34 <spidey> then documents and settings\username\application data\armagetron\var\ delete frommaster.svc
21:35 <spidey> that should keep him from listing servers period
21:35 <aidans_dad> on a macintosh but I know what you mean
21:35 <spidey> ah,k
21:36 <aidans_dad> That's probably a better solution than blocking udp.
21:36 <spidey> ya
21:37 <spidey> or you could use iptables(dunno if mac has that) to block the udp ports via that computer only
21:37 <aidans_dad> that's what ddwrt is doing for his mac address
21:37 <aidans_dad> I would think osx could do similar but not sure
21:38 <spidey> mm
21:38 <aidans_dad> could probably run an armagetron server on a ddwrt router. nice little boxes.
21:40 <aidans_dad> OK gotta go; thanks for all the help
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21:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: is soldat open source? :p
21:59 <spidey> no,lol
22:02 <luke-jr_> convince the author to make it open source and I'll consider it ;)
22:02 <spidey> :(
22:04 <luke-jr_> how am I supposed to write my patch for it otherwise? ;p
22:04 <spidey> patch?
22:05 <spidey> there's a demon that runs in the background and shuts the server down if it exceeds x number of players
22:05 <luke-jr_> yes
22:05 <spidey> but dunno where to get it
22:05 <luke-jr_> that's not a patch
22:05 <spidey> no,but a solution :p
22:05 <luke-jr_> not really
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22:25 * spidey goes to watch dumb and dumber
22:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell does windows have to be so damn fucking slow -.-
22:28 <spidey> because your computer sucks?
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you're right
22:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> amd64 3000+ and 1gb ram is not enuf for win2k
22:28 <spidey> O.o
22:28 <DrJoeTron> time to defrag that sucker
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's a relatively new install
22:29 <DrJoeTron> still
22:29 <DrJoeTron> i defrag everyday
22:29 <DrJoeTron> or everyother
22:29 <spidey> well 1
22:29 <spidey> win2k sucks
22:29 <spidey> 2
22:29 <spidey> wtf!?
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey
22:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> did i mention i'm running it in vmware?
22:29 <spidey> i have p4 2.2ghz and 512mb ram
22:30 <spidey> then
22:30 <spidey> that's your problem
22:30 <spidey> :p
22:30 <DrJoeTron> he didnt say it was yours :d
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i will never install win on my real machine again
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> last time i did
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> took me 5 days to fix my system
22:30 <spidey> lemme
22:30 <spidey> lemme guess
22:30 <spidey> win2k ?
22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:30 <spidey> some 5 year old operating system? :p
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually it was xp 64 bit edition
22:31 <DrJoeTron> oh god
22:31 <spidey> haha
22:31 <DrJoeTron> why did you install that?
22:31 <spidey> i was gonna ask the same
22:31 <DrJoeTron> i mean, it was a good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> a real good idea
22:31 <DrJoeTron> too bad nothing worked for it
22:31 <spidey> lol
22:31 <DrJoeTron> which is why i didnt get it
22:31 <DrJoeTron> that and having a 32bit cpu
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22:32 <DrJoeTron> i just use xp pro
22:32 <DrJoeTron> all problems i get are my own fault
22:32 <spidey> i use xp pro corp
22:32 <spidey> same here
22:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i only need it to run the damn ipod updater...
22:32 <spidey> doesn't amarok have ipod support?
22:32 <DrJoeTron> apple loves adding bloatware
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thing is
22:33 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't use crapOS?
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can you show me
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how to run ipod updater in wine?
22:33 <DrJoeTron> no idea
22:33 <spidey> ??
22:33 * DrJoeTron doesnt have an ipod
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> was asking luke-jr_ actually...
22:34 <DrJoeTron> ah
22:34 <luke-jr_> running a 32-bit OS or 32-bit programs on a 64-bit CPU is a waste
22:34 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: don't
22:34 <luke-jr_> get a Neuros ;p
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i know there is ipodlinux...
22:34 <spidey> letting luke-jr_ in on a converstation is a mistake
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22:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: >:O
22:34 <spidey> ;x
22:34 * DrJoeTron agrees! :D
22:34 <luke-jr_> I like my new IRC font
22:34 <luke-jr_> it looks like DOS
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> dos
22:34 <luke-jr_> mwahaha
22:35 <spidey> gayish?
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love my console font
22:35 <luke-jr_> actually, I don't remember what DOS looked like
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dun even know how i got to it
22:35 <luke-jr_> I just assume it looks like my raw console
22:35 <DrJoeTron> fucking itunes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate itunes too
22:35 <DrJoeTron> no, i dont want quicktime!
22:36 <DrJoeTron> thanks for adding ipod shit on my pc apple
22:36 * DrJoeTron sigh
22:36 <DrJoeTron> msconfig time!
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the hell
22:36 <spidey> i have quicktime
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does my usb storage driver
22:36 <spidey> only because my codec pack installed it
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> not eat the fucking ipod
22:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (under win 2k -.-)
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i have quicktime
22:37 <DrJoeTron> i dont want it
22:37 <DrJoeTron> its kind of stuck there
22:37 <spidey> it doesn't bother me
22:37 <spidey> it just stays down in the bottum
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> whenever i see windows running
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> let's say
22:37 <spidey> you chase it?
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "running"
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i start crying
22:38 <spidey> lol
22:38 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: can't you access the iPod as a removable storage?
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in linux
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in win2k...
22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> NO
22:38 <luke-jr_> screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> screw luke-jr_
22:39 * DrJoeTron seconded
22:39 <spidey> well actually
22:39 <spidey> yes screw win2k
22:39 <spidey> it sucks anyways
22:39 <DrJoeTron> nah win 2k is not the greatest
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
22:39 <spidey> there's only 1 windows version i'd run
22:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i prefer it to xp...
22:39 <spidey> that's win98
22:39 <DrJoeTron> considering its illegitamate retarded brother Me
22:39 <spidey> but i can't run win98 on this box,something about mem ranges conflicting
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i enjoy xp
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> take windows Ce, windows Me and windows NT
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> CeMeNT
22:40 <spidey> lol
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hard as a rock, dumb as a brick
22:40 <DrJoeTron> dont talk about my dreamcast like that!
22:40 <DrJoeTron> :(
22:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sega pwns ><
22:40 <luke-jr_> when I test win apps, it's under 98 =p
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
22:41 <luke-jr_> oh, don't use VMWare either
22:41 <luke-jr_> it's immoral software
22:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh damn
22:41 <DrJoeTron> darkstar, run your computer however you want
22:41 <spidey> ok now we mentally ignore luke-jr_
22:41 <luke-jr_> and it's on your real system too
22:41 * luke-jr_ shakes head
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: you can do /ignore luke-jr_
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
22:42 * spidey ties luke-jr_ up and throws him in the closet
22:42 * luke-jr_ hacks spidey and makes his light cycle pink
22:42 <spidey> haha
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how the hell do i start windows update manually?
22:43 <luke-jr_> I lost my colour codes-- I should figure out what they were
22:43 <spidey> um
22:43 <luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: Start->Windows Update
22:43 <luke-jr_> my colours were green & purple
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ouch
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hate that
22:43 <luke-jr_> ...
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's in there
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't be bigger
22:44 <luke-jr_> lol
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i dun see it
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i hope there is a damn updated version of the usb storage driver in there -.-
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and it dun work -.-
22:45 <luke-jr_> hahaha
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah well
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> should have known
22:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the german translation of windows is bad
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> looks like neither german nor english is the translator's mother tongue -.-
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22:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: write me a script to do it :P
22:55 * wrtlprnft loves dejavu sans mono
22:55 <spidey> do what?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> nothing to do with deja_vu, though
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: split the log file
22:55 <spidey> what language
22:55 <wrtlprnft> any
22:55 <wrtlprnft> not visual basic
22:55 <spidey> php?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> sure
22:56 <spidey> after my movie's done
22:56 <spidey> watching dumb and dumber
22:56 <spidey> lol
22:56 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: i love you too :P
22:56 <wrtlprnft> lol
22:57 <wrtlprnft> just on the topic of console fonts
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i love the sun prom console font
22:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it looks so fucking cool
22:58 <wrtlprnft> i picked that topic up since "font" is one of my hilights
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> giving up on that win2k shit
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and dling xp ><
23:03 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo.org/
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Linux jupiter 2.6.17-gentoo-r3 #2 Tue Aug 1 20:58:54 CEST 2006 sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have gentoo on all of my machines, mkay?
23:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... except the TP
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there i got like nothing...
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cause it's got no cdrom drive
23:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i keep failing to find a 1 floppy distro that supports my pcmcia network card
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23:14 <DrJoeTron> anyone have a ds? :p
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nope
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> nintendo is evil :P
23:15 <DrJoeTron> more like sony is :p
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have a vaio here
23:15 <DrJoeTron> ive forgiven nintendo
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i got a gba somewhere
23:15 <DrJoeTron> everyone gets big and fucks it up
23:15 <DrJoeTron> atari did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> sega did it
23:15 <DrJoeTron> Sega Does What NitenDONT
23:15 <DrJoeTron> come on
23:16 <DrJoeTron> Nintendo did it
23:16 <DrJoeTron> twice
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and now sony is doing it
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the ps3 seems to be pretty cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> oh it does
23:16 <DrJoeTron> trust me
23:16 <DrJoeTron> it does
23:16 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's 7.6MB right now... is that big?!
23:16 <DrJoeTron> but someone doesnt think its cool
23:16 <DrJoeTron> and thats my wallet
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
23:17 <DrJoeTron> 600 USD?
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow
23:17 <DrJoeTron> comapred to 250 USD?
23:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> goddamn it
23:17 <DrJoeTron> nintendo has there buddy back
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> my dvd and cd-rw drives are both dead, and I've had to fall back on a cdrom drive that was made in 1997
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> It's been 20 minutes and I'm still waiting for the liveCD to finish booting
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
23:18 <DrJoeTron> jesus
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> poor u
23:18 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:18 <DrJoeTron> speaking of dated
23:18 <DrJoeTron> i looked at the world records book 2001
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Why is the deskstar even mentioned!?
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> deskstar? printer?
23:18 <DrJoeTron> Quick load all of your important files into it
23:19 <DrJoeTron> nah the 80gb hard drive from ibm
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was "the biggest" in 2001
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> 80GB was pretty big back then
23:19 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:19 <DrJoeTron> it was
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i remember in 2000
23:19 <DrJoeTron> too bad they also failed all of the time
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> the two hard drives that are in my server were both brand-new 60GB drives made back then
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> there it was ibm's microdrive
23:19 <DrJoeTron> and got the nick name DeathStar
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, they might be a tad newer, they might be from 2002
23:20 <DrJoeTron> i have a 60 and a 120 in this thing
23:20 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm going to piss off my wife when my check gets here by going and buying another computer and some really large hard drives
23:21 <DrJoeTron> why are we still measureing things in bits for sizes?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/ds-xtreme-gives-drag-n-drop-capability-to-your-nintendo-ds/
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> what other base unit would you use?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> Bytes
23:21 <DrJoeTron> especially when it comes to space?
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> um, bytes are 16 bits or something like that
23:21 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> 8 bits, I forget, one of the two
23:21 <DrJoeTron> its 8
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 byte in bits
23:22 <armabot> 1 byte = 8 bits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> this thing says 4Gb
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its 512Megabytes
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> that means Gigabytes :)
23:22 <DrJoeTron> why cant they just say that
23:22 <DrJoeTron> not that
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> ? it says 4Gb but they mean gigabits?
23:22 <DrJoeTron> that means Gigabits
23:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> dickheads
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> gigabit is a useless measurement
23:22 <DrJoeTron> its really just 512MB
23:22 <GodTodd> heh...yeah GB is gigabytes
23:23 <DrJoeTron> exactly my point
23:23 <GodTodd> Gb is gigabits
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: unless you want to talk about my connection speed
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's still useless. :) You have to know how many Mb your files are for it to mean something
23:23 <DrJoeTron> still useless for measuring space
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: was just kidding anyway
23:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> got only 3mbit ><
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I much prefer to know my connection speed in kb/sec
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> now here's something that annoys me about units
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ok
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> kb is and always has been kilobytes, right?
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have 3/8MB/s
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> b is bits
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> then k by itself is kilobytes, too, right?
23:24 <DrJoeTron> b is bits
23:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> B is bytes
23:24 <DrJoeTron> they just get mixed up in slang
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but then they do MB and start distinguishing between lower and uppercase B's in units
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> what's the difference between 1 KM and 1 km?
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> or 1 mi and 1 MI and 1 Mi ?
23:25 <DrJoeTron> ones a sate :p
23:25 <DrJoeTron> state*
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
23:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> who cares about the US anyway :P
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> That's true. 1 MI < 1 TX :)
23:25 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:25 <DrJoeTron> i like MI when ever i go there
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Timothy McVeigh was from MI
23:26 <DrJoeTron> except the UP but they dont exsist
23:26 <DrJoeTron> to me
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> Psyko is going to university of michigan
23:26 <GodTodd> 1 MI = 1 WI = 1 MN = 1 CAP (Canadian Province) ;)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> umm, seen the size of vancouver?
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Those canadians laugh at our little states....
23:27 <GodTodd> umm meaning they might as well be in canada
23:27 <GodTodd> :P
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wisconsin is a beautiful state
23:28 <spidey> i've been there
23:28 <DrJoeTron> wisconsin rocks
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> Minnesota isn't
23:28 <GodTodd> never been there...i'm going to milwaukee next month tho
23:28 <spidey> although i slept all the way through i
23:28 <spidey> it
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i bet you will never find out where you find the smallest states :P
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im helping my friend move to wisconsin
23:28 <DrJoeTron> up to madison
23:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's see. Switzerland isn't much bigger than Rhode Island, and it's split into 4 states, isn't it?
23:28 <spidey> O.o
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's split into 26 states
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i wanna move to alaska
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
23:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want to move to alaska
23:29 <GodTodd> then don;t
23:29 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be awake for 3 months a year and asleep for 3 months a year
23:29 <DrJoeTron> exactly
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get closer to the equator
23:29 <DrJoeTron> i dont
23:30 * Lucifer_arma is very sensitive to seasonal differences in day size
23:30 <DrJoeTron> i like where i am currently, but one day id like to live there for a year or two
23:30 <GodTodd> heh move to brazil....hot half naked chicks and near the equator ;)
23:30 * DrJoeTron craves snow
23:30 <GodTodd> i hate snow
23:30 <DrJoeTron> lake effect snow doesnt do it for me
23:30 <GodTodd> snow sucks ass
23:30 <DrJoeTron> snow = skitchin
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can blow me
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I think we should annex Mexico, and part of that's so I can live closer to the equator without having to deal with a half-assed dictatorial central american government
23:30 <GodTodd> snow can kiss my hairy white ass
23:31 <DrJoeTron> NO
23:31 <DrJoeTron> we cant lucifer
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what about Tijuana?
23:31 <GodTodd> snow can suck my balls
23:31 <DrJoeTron> what will happen!?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> they'll stop making those weird murder-porn videos?
23:31 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:32 <DrJoeTron> from dusk till dawn?
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I've worked so hard to block that movie from my memory...
23:32 <GodTodd> heh haven't seen that in years
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it was an almost good vampire flick until I saw the Lost Boys and discovered that they hadn't done anything new or interesting in From Dusk till Dawn
23:33 <DrJoeTron> yup
23:33 * Lucifer_arma goes to see if his server's finished booting the liveCD
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> fucker's still booting
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> see, it's not that the hard drive is slow, it's that it has really good error checking, so it's basically having to load everything 3-4 times because it's so old and shitty
23:34 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-10-201.delv.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> *cdrom drive
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> hi Your_mom_arma
23:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
23:35 <Your_mom_arma> the wiki is down
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it's been taking fucking forever for my server to boot off this liveCD
23:35 <DrJoeTron> hey mom
23:36 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I need to repartition the main hard drive on it, so I'm booting from a liveCD so I can copy everything from there to somewhere else, repartition, then copy everything back
23:38 <Your_mom_arma> i remember using a 4x cdrom drive after using a 42x drive
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder when dvd writing will get faster
23:39 <Your_mom_arma> is newegg.com broken?
23:39 <GodTodd> comes up for me
23:40 <Your_mom_arma> i cant get it to load here, but other websites work fine
23:41 <GodTodd> hmmm
23:42 <GodTodd> prices aren't too bad ;)
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah great customer service and shipping times
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> dont understand why the site wont load
23:44 * Your_mom_arma goes to look thru ad lock and java prefrences
23:44 <GodTodd> kill the cookie?
23:44 <GodTodd> wow....a 160 GB notebook drive?
23:45 <GodTodd> that would rock heh
23:46 <Your_mom_arma> thanks, cleared cookies and cache and now it works
23:47 <GodTodd> yeah...sounded like a bad cookie
23:47 <GodTodd> or cached page
23:48 <GodTodd> used to do phone tech support....that kind of thing fixed half the shit ;)
23:48 <GodTodd> heh
23:48 <Your_mom_arma> i always overlook the easy stuff
23:49 <GodTodd> i used to...til that damn job
23:49 <GodTodd> :)
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, I'd fill up a 160GB drive in my laptop
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> well GodTodd , back when you did phone tech support you had to deal with IE 5's shitty cache bug
23:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: any suggestions for other games to host?
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, I'm not wrtlprnft
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the copy job is finally running, I'll be repartitioning ~1 hour
23:54 <GodTodd> yeah...i was there for the goddamned blaster worm thing too :/
23:55 <GodTodd> heh i had one chick with ie 5 that had 100MB worth of cache....i told her i couldn't stay on the phone with her while the cache cleared
23:55 <Vanhayes> hmm anyone ever hear of a guy named gould?
23:55 <GodTodd> eliot?
23:55 <GodTodd> goddamn i'm old
23:55 <GodTodd> :/
23:55 <Vanhayes> not sure
23:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:57 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yell at the idiots pushing MiB for me?"
23:58 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was looking at that, it's good?
23:58 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> (FreeCiv)
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv rules
23:58 <GodTodd> didn't know if you still had him on /ignore or not ;)
23:58 * Lucifer_arma doesn't have a problem using units that have base 2
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no, I unignored him a little while ago
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> yesterday or the day before, something like that
23:59 <GodTodd> i see that now :P
23:59 * Lucifer_arma thinks the only people who care about making their units all base 10 are europeans
23:59 <GodTodd> #g 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95
23:59 <armabot> 17.95 + 26.95 + 3.95 + 31.7 + 89.25 + 70.95 = 240.75
Log from 2006-08-13:
--- Day changed Sun Aug 13 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's flagrantly hypocritical for Americans to whine about the 1024 conversion factor for computers not being an even 1000
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on. 5280 feet/1 mile, and 1024MB / 1 GB is unreasonable?
00:00 <GodTodd> america was built on non-even conversions
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, they're trying to make it inconsistent, aren't they?
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> they want to keep the 1024 bytes / 1 kilobyte conversion
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> 4 gigabit flash drive 12 dollars awesome...wait a second ;-)
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's just the MB and GB conversions they want to change
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's only 512MB, we worked it out a bit ago
00:02 <GodTodd> #g 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49
00:02 <armabot> 14 + 3.49 + 20.12 + 3.49 + 29.77 + 3.49 + 3.95 + 70 + 3.49 + 81.75 + 3.49 = 237.04
00:03 <GodTodd> #g 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67
00:03 <armabot> 23.1 + 23.95 + 3.95 + 42.95 + 96.76 + 94.67 = 285.38
00:04 <GodTodd> ok...now just need to price the CC bookstore next week
00:04 <GodTodd> fuckin math books are a rip off
00:05 -!- [dlh]_ is now known as [dlh]
00:11 <DrJoeTron> i love newegg
00:11 <DrJoeTron> some idiot hated them...who was it
00:11 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
00:11 <DrJoeTron> tit
00:12 <Vanhayes> whats newegg?
00:12 <spidey> what'd you expect?
00:12 <DrJoeTron> i should really block him
00:12 <spidey> newegg = girls in bikini's
00:12 <Vanhayes> and tit pretty much hates everything
00:12 <DrJoeTron> its a site to buy computers and electronic stuff
00:12 <DrJoeTron> except himself
00:12 <Vanhayes> ya that he loves
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and me for some unfortunate reason
00:12 <spidey> ya he's a god and we're all noobs
00:12 <DrJoeTron> and mom too
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> no go with the bikini site that way more people will visit(rolls eyes)
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes mom
00:13 <DrJoeTron> he likes us
00:13 <DrJoeTron> oh god
00:13 <DrJoeTron> tit is THAT GUY
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> That guy you never ever want to talk to and hate, yet he loves you for some stupid reason
00:14 <DrJoeTron> Tna= THAT guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> hmm ya he seems to want me to agree with him and be on his side when we are in a server together and im using this name, but then when i use another name he throws racist insults at me so...
00:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck That Guy
00:14 <Vanhayes> lol ya
00:15 * spidey /me keeps quite
00:15 <spidey> hmm
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> quiet
00:15 * spidey is a god
00:15 * Vanhayes /me doesnt know how /me works either
00:15 <spidey> a typo god :D
00:15 * DrJoeTron doesnt beleive in god
00:15 <DrJoeTron> :P
00:16 <DrJoeTron> there by you dont exsist!
00:16 <DrJoeTron> Parodaxed!
00:16 * Vanhayes believes in siddhartha
00:16 <spidey> [15:17] ���� Nickname ghost in use
00:16 <DrJoeTron> fuck it all
00:16 <spidey> lol
00:17 <Vanhayes> well not really but its the name im using right now
00:17 <DrJoeTron> man i realy want that DS cartridge
00:18 <DrJoeTron> and people to play tetris or mario kart!
00:18 <spidey> who plays tetris anymore?
00:18 <spidey> i have that game,for gameboy
00:18 * Vanhayes loved tetris for the SNES
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> magazines kept hyping yakuza the ps2 game at e3. after playing a demo of the game it feels like a ps2 launch title.
00:18 <spidey> i play it when i'm at my other grandmas
00:18 <spidey> because there's nothing else to do :p
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> kubuntu dapper's livecd gave me a PAL-sized console :(
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <spidey> i've only had 1 hour sleep in 2 days -_-
00:19 <spidey> is wrtlprnft in the bed?
00:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: is there any example code on how to use your parser? I'd like to try to see how it works tomorrow. Just provide me with some basic code that defines a few functions and variables and then parses a simple expression and displays the result
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> the Satanic Bible defines something called a Psychic Vampire
00:20 <spidey> guess not
00:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: like the commented out code right below tValue:Expr
00:20 <spidey> -_-
00:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> Titboy = Pyschic Vampire
00:20 <DrJoeTron> who cares if tetris is old
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> tron is old
00:20 <DrJoeTron> thats why you like halo!
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is young, however
00:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron, do you care to have a 50y/o girlfriend?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> and halo is one of the worst games ever
00:20 <spidey> ;x
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take a 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <DrJoeTron> if she is fun to play with il take the 50yo girlfriend
00:20 <spidey> of course you would
00:20 <spidey> i was asking joe :D
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> just think about how well a girl can fuck that's been fucking for 30+ years
00:21 <DrJoeTron> tetris is fun
00:21 <GodTodd> drjoetron: you should try outpost.com too
00:21 <spidey> hahaha
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> virgins are for wusses, I want a woman that can fuck my brains out without breaking a sweat
00:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, sure....by that time the biggest dick in the world wouldn't satisfy her
00:21 <spidey> :p
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, those things shrink back to a genetically-defined size
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> unless she's played with a really large dildo every day of her life, no problems
00:22 <spidey> i would show you a picture this girl sent me
00:22 <DrJoeTron> oh frys electronics
00:22 <spidey> but i don't have it anymore
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i live by the warehouse
00:22 <spidey> i know where you live
00:22 <spidey> ;D
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> why order, then? Just go down and get it
00:22 * spidey harrass's joe
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i dont go there
00:23 <DrJoeTron> i go to newegg
00:23 <DrJoeTron> newegg is better prices
00:23 <DrJoeTron> and the customer service rocks
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> so what's cheaper, getting a $35 computer from the school district's surplus store, or buying a motherboard+hard drive+memory+processor brand new for a case I hae laying around?
00:24 <DrJoeTron> choice A
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> mind you, I still have to buy a really large hard drive and probably 2 cdroms on top of that
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> they sent me a wrong part and told me to keep it and sent me the right part by 2 day fedex
00:24 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> newegg sent me a broke-dick memory stick and then replaced it with another broke-dick memory stick
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i got 2 parts DOA at once and replaced it with much better ones
00:25 * Lucifer_arma doesn't order from newegg anymore because he doesn't want to buy broke-dick parts
00:25 <Vanhayes> we got a full PC with a small dent in it asked for another one and they sent it and havent asked or charged us for the first one
00:25 <Vanhayes> that was about 2 years ago
00:25 * DrJoeTron points out it also depends on the manufacturer of the broke dick parts
00:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: I'm still not asleep
00:26 <Vanhayes> #time
00:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: 12:27 AM, August 13, 2006
00:27 <DrJoeTron> man everyone is either retarded or way too good for their own good on mario kart
00:27 <Vanhayes> that is yours right wrtlprnft ?
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> wrlt go harrass nemo to make an aacockpit previewer
00:27 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: ?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> what is mine?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, sure
00:27 <Vanhayes> this is your armabot
00:28 <wrtlprnft> all go ask him
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> grr
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #alias add armabot eightball
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you mine?
00:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The outlook is poor.
00:28 <Vanhayes> lol
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> armabot help
00:28 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:28 <wrtlprnft> but yes, she is
00:28 <wrtlprnft> she's still a she, though
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> armabots a manbot
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #capabilities
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> ack, it sends me a private message
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #unload Time
00:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:29 <Vanhayes> #list web
00:29 <wrtlprnft> #load Time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: doctype, fetch, headers, netcraft, size, title, urlquote, and urlunquote
00:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:30 <wrtlprnft> see, she obeys me
00:30 <Vanhayes> #load time
00:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:30 <Vanhayes> heh
00:30 <GodTodd> #time
00:30 <armabot> GodTodd: 12:31 AM, August 13, 2006
00:30 <Vanhayes> wow I just heard a huge boom of thunder
00:30 <Vanhayes> #weather
00:31 <wrtlprnft> the weather plugin disappeared for some reason
00:31 <GodTodd> well now it's worthless ;)
00:31 <GodTodd> heh
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #love ?
00:32 <DrJoeTron> damn
00:32 <Vanhayes> #whoami
00:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: I don't recognize you.
00:32 <DrJoeTron> #hurt Spidey
00:32 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
00:32 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rude-snouted quart of coughed-up retch.
00:32 <Vanhayes> heh
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> #say blah
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> aww
00:33 <DrJoeTron> #fortune
00:33 <armabot> DrJoeTron: ... ich bin in einem dusenjet ins jahr 53 vor chr ... ich lande im antiken Rom ... einige gladiatoren spielen scrabble ... ich rieche PIZZA ...
00:33 <Vanhayes> ack
00:33 <Vanhayes> #babelfish
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> german pizza at 53
00:33 <Vanhayes> damn
00:34 <DrJoeTron> #quote
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: This plugin module doesn't have a "Class" attribute to specify which plugin should be instantiated. If you didn't write this plugin, but received it with Supybot, file a bug with us about this error.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #load Plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #list plugin
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: author, contributors, help, list, and plugin
00:34 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:34 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
00:34 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
00:35 <DrJoeTron> #quote get 3
00:35 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
00:35 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
00:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
00:35 <wrtlprnft> i like number 18
00:35 <Vanhayes> ya its a good one
00:37 <Vanhayes> #list quote
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote search
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: 16 found: #12: "'ebuild blah portage rocks emerge hotplug...", #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take...", #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in...", #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on...", #16: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code...", #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate...", #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other...", #19: (2 more messages)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
00:37 <Vanhayes> #more
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China,...", #1: "Was this compiled by our friend Sum Ting Wong?...", #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean,...", #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer", #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an...", #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl,...", #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for...", #8: "master your own mind, otherwise (1 more message)
00:37 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #load weather
00:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "weather" exists.
00:38 <wrtlprnft> umm
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #quit
00:38 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has quit ["wrtlprnft"]
00:39 <wrtlprnft> wow, armabot takes quite some time to start
00:39 -!- armabot [n=armabot@85.233.38.240] has joined #armagetron
00:39 <Vanhayes> #hello
00:39 <armabot> Hello Vanhayes :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #364: || Sand fleas eating the Internet cables
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #plugin list
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #load Weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Weather is already loaded.
00:39 <wrtlprnft> #list weather
00:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #cnn munich, germany
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 54.0�F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Wind: SW at 3 mph (5 km/h).
00:40 <wrtlprnft> whatever 54F is
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #load CyborgName
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Cyborgname is already loaded.
00:40 <wrtlprnft> #list
00:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #load Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #list vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.Vim" to see what configuration variables it has.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #config list supybot.plugins.Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: @#autokban and public
00:41 <wrtlprnft> #plugin help Vim
00:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: That plugin is loaded, but has no plugin help.
00:42 <wrtlprnft> i have no idea what this plugin does...
00:43 <wrtlprnft> #unload Vim
00:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Hampton
00:43 <wrtlprnft> must have something to do with bans
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton, AR is 90.0�F. Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 54%. Wind: SW at 4 mph (6 km/h).
00:43 <Vanhayes> bah
00:43 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 55?F / 13?C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few showers or thundershowers ending this evening then clearing. Amount 5 mm except locally 15 mm in thundershowers. Low 7.; Sunday - Sunny in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of showers in the (1 more message)
00:44 * Vanhayes is surprised his connection hasnt dropped yet
00:44 <Vanhayes> #more
00:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: afternoon. Wind becoming west 20 km/h late in the morning. High 21. UV index 6 or high. Sunday night..a few clouds. Wind west 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 10.; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 22.;
00:45 <wrtlprnft> you're online for an unusually long time, yes
00:45 <DrJoeTron> time to cook som bacon!
00:45 <wrtlprnft> so, any more wishes regarding armabot?
00:45 <DrJoeTron> yeah
00:46 <DrJoeTron> make armabot love me
00:46 <wrtlprnft> that's her decision
00:46 <wrtlprnft> #armabot do you love DrJoeTron
00:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: It is possible.
00:46 <wrtlprnft> i'd call that pretty positive
00:46 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love lobsters?
00:46 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:46 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:46 <DrJoeTron> i found my match in heaven
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot do you love Spidey
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Obviously.
00:47 <DrJoeTron> #armabot I'm breaking up with you
00:47 <armabot> DrJoeTron: One would be wise to think so.
00:47 <Vanhayes> Hahaha
00:48 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
00:48 <DrJoeTron> ive been thinking
00:48 <DrJoeTron> If walls could talk, people would camp more.
00:48 <Vanhayes> #eliza
00:49 <Vanhayes> aw
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's not that armabot takes a long time to start, it's that it takes a long time to login to freenode
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> I watch Konversation take 30 seconds to login
00:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't notice logging into freenode usually
00:50 <wrtlprnft> irssi starts in a screen session even before X11 starts
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> this copy job sure is taking a long time
00:52 <wrtlprnft> well, to make spidey happy:
00:52 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:52 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:53 <spidey> hey
00:54 <spidey> get your ass back here
00:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft!
00:59 <spidey> -_-
01:00 <spidey> he wanted a script to split the armalogs up
01:00 <spidey> so i made one -_-
01:00 <Vanhayes> #insult spidey
01:00 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a beef-witted stack of thick eel.
01:00 <Vanhayes> heh
01:00 <spidey> only one problem though
01:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
01:01 <spidey> ahhh
01:01 <spidey> nvm
01:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, here's the script to split the armalog into multiple files http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
01:09 <spidey> put that in a .php somewhere hidden and every 4-5 days goto that page and it'll split them
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's still on my home partition :(
01:11 <spidey> also you can change the numlines,to make it bigger or smaller
01:11 <spidey> what is?
01:13 <spidey> bhelp
01:13 <spidey> er
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> my copy job
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm copying all of my gentoo installation to a different partition so I can repartition the main hard drive
01:24 <spidey> copy job?
01:24 <spidey> ah
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> then I have to copy it *back*
01:24 <spidey> heh
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> luckily my partition layout should let me get it all done without having to touch grub :)
01:24 <spidey> hope you're on sata :p
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> nope
01:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on slower-than-dirt ide
01:25 <spidey> heh
01:25 <spidey> well
01:25 <spidey> why not tar the hole thing then upload it to your server
01:25 <spidey> then redownload it after
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> this is on my server
01:25 <spidey> oh
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> as part of an attempt to improve performance and reliability, I'm repartitioning with a different layout and reiserfs
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, I want to enforce home directory quotas so I can reasonably backup the home partition
01:26 <spidey> heh
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> can't backup a home partition that could grow in size to 20GB with what I've got, so I need to keep each user down to less than 1 GB so I can back it up
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's a big sweeping change I'm making, but it's very important
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> and supposedly using reiserfs will actually give each user a little more working space within their quota
01:27 <spidey> cool
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's what I spent 3 hours on the other day trying to get exact partition sizes :)
01:29 <spidey> hmm
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm a go shave and shit and do some dishes, hopefully I'll be able to repartition and start the second big copy job right before I cook dinner
01:29 <spidey> lol
01:29 <GodTodd> shave and shit at the same time
01:30 <GodTodd> efficiency, man ;)
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, "shit" here is "brush my teeth", because technically I already shat
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm if shitting = brushing your teeth something is seriously wrong :D
01:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just broke the news to my wife that we're buying a backup server when my check gets here and she didn't tell me no
01:31 <spidey> what does she want?
01:31 <GodTodd> food and shit i'd imagine :)
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> she just doesn't want to spend money on computer hardware when the stuff we have "works"
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> but I could do the breakdown and show her how not having a good backup plan cost us several thousand dollars this summer, and it may wind up costing me my 4.0 GPA
01:31 <GodTodd> yeah but does it work "better"?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> she didn't challenge me on it, though, so I didn't have to do the breakdown
01:32 <spidey> well if she would have said no,but didn't this time...she must want something too :p
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> more likely she just knew she couldn't say no this time, because I didn't ask. If I didn't think we needed it, I would have asked instead. :)
01:32 <spidey> lol
01:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I need to shave and shit. I'm a little anxious the webserver's down, but it'll be back up, and better than ever :)
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, not enough shaving cream and nothing but dull razor blades
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> MY FACE HURTS!!
01:51 <spidey> use a knife dundee
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> I do it just like dundee. I only pick up the knife and use it when my wife is looking
01:52 <spidey> lmao
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> and she just went swimming
01:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the copy job has moved on to the usr partition
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01:53 <spidey> well
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> technically on the old layout there is no usr partition, there is only / and /home
01:53 <spidey> i'ma watch another movie and be mad wrtlprnft went to sleep 10seconds before i finished that script for him -_-
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want gratitude, you could write me a script :)
01:54 <spidey> gratitude?
01:54 <spidey> #dict gratitude
01:54 <armabot> spidey: wn and gcide responded: wn: gratitude n : a feeling of thankfulness and appreciation; "he was overwhelmed with gratitude for their help" [ant: {ingratitude}]; gcide: Gratitude \Grat"i*tude\, n. [F. gratitude, LL. gratitudo, from gratus agreeable, grateful. See {Grate}, a.] The state of being grateful; warm and friendly feeling toward a benefactor; kindness awakened by a favor received; thankfulness. (1 more message)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> I need a script that takes as input the path to a .wav file, and has things like "author", "song", "genre", and stuff, and then uses oggenc and flacenc to make 3 oggs of varying quality and 1 flac
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> and the input should be in a text file, not commandline
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> commandline argument should just be the text file :)
01:55 <spidey> eh
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> if you actually want to write it, I can give a list of attributes the file needs. If you don't, I'll get to it sooner or later.
01:56 <spidey> hmm
01:56 <spidey> will php do??,and i dunno if i can do that
01:56 <spidey> i still suck at it :(
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> php is fine, command-line apps aren't much different from php apps
01:56 <Lucifer_arma> but the file format should be name=value, which isn't terribly hard to parse with php
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> er, command-line apps aren't much different from web apps
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference is where you take the command line args from. Instead of the querystring, you get it from somewheres else, but php makes it available the same way, just a different name for the variable
01:58 <spidey> i don't even know where to start with something like that,but i'll try,what's the attributes?
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> actually, php might be better than python for this :)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> from oggenc --help:
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -c, --comment=c Add the given string as an extra comment. This may be
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> used multiple times. The argument should be in the
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> format "tag=value".
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -d, --date Date for track (usually date of performance)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -N, --tracknum Track number for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -t, --title Title for this track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -l, --album Name of album
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -a, --artist Name of artist
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> -G, --genre Genre of track
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to generate the output filenames yourself, but how you do it doesn't matter terribly, I"ll probably hack it anyway
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> the important thing is the file input and the wrapping of oggenc and flac
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> one other attribute: wavfilename=<something>
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> that'll be the input for oggenc and flac, obviously :)
02:01 <spidey> what's flac?
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> free lossless audio codec
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's a xiph project now, in fact, so it can be put into the ogg container, but oggenc doesn't handle it.
02:09 <spidey> how does oggnec work?
02:09 <spidey> oggnec attributes inputfile outputfile?
02:10 <spidey> wait,nvm :D
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4787207.stm <--- this is the start of a run-up to another invasion in another middle eastern country
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> the filename should be something like %track_%artist_%album_%title_%quality.ogg, where %quality is determined by the script and the rest come from the file
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> just like the filename you get from a CD ripper, only with a quality attached to it that indicates the quality of the encoding
02:14 <spidey> ok this one's over me :D
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> the 3 qualities I want are 0, 5, and 10
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok. :) Thanks anyway, I'll get it sometime, probably after my calc final. But I'll keep trying to get someone else to do it until then. ;)
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> (wrtlprnft declined, heh)
02:14 <spidey> lol
02:15 <spidey> i would,but i suck at php ;s
02:15 <spidey> god to the amount of typos involved -_-
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a bash script that almost did it, but it got lost in the partition table thingee
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise I'd have extended that script already to handle it. :/
02:16 <spidey> i can tell you how to do the random outputname though
02:16 <spidey> in php
02:16 <spidey> well
02:16 <spidey> not random
02:16 <spidey> just numbered
02:17 <spidey> well,kinda ;s
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's all fairly easy for me, I mean, I do this sort of thing every day anyway, in php no less. It's probably about a half hour of work, it's just very low priority right now
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> it'll raise in priority after my final, and I'll do it, probably in python.
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> Only I'll make it more general so GodTodd can use it for a similar conversion he needs to make
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> the only way the language actually matters is that if I do it in bash again, it'll take me a lot longer to work it out, so it'll be python if I do it
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe if I get my server done early I'll do it tonight. The script is for taking songs that I recorded and outputting them into formats that people will download
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> the lowest quality version will be a free download, the others you pay for.
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> and if someone's going to pay for a song download, the file needs to be as professional as possible, which means having all the right tags in it for their media player
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> I've got enough songs to start selling my album a track at a time, and if they do decently, I get financial justification for finishing the album, so it's kind of important to me
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, gotta wash dishes, bbiab
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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03:11 <DrJoeTron> tit wont go away
03:33 <DrJoeTron> hey guys
03:33 <DrJoeTron> does tna have two screen names?
03:34 <DrJoeTron> or is there two of them
03:35 <spidey> he has one called john
03:35 <DrJoeTron> how about alienwarecrazy
03:35 <DrJoeTron> and Nick Titnass
03:36 <spidey> 'uno
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03:38 <Vanhayes> he kept switching between Titsnass and keenan in LOL's server
03:39 <Vanhayes> spidey: where is US fortress server located?
03:39 <DrJoeTron> i mean on AIM
03:45 <spidey> Vanhayes hell if i know
03:45 <spidey> tna = keenan?
03:45 <DrJoeTron> cya
03:45 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
03:48 <Vanhayes> im not sure, but maybe thats why TNA has been acting like an ass lately, maybe he is really Keenan and not the real TNA
03:50 <spidey> Vanhayes do me a favor
03:50 <spidey> set team_max_imbalance to 1
03:50 <Vanhayes> ok
03:50 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players
03:50 <spidey> :D
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03:53 <Vanhayes> done
03:53 <Vanhayes> it was at 5 0_o
03:54 <spidey> ya
04:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, you misunderstood me-- yell at the idiots pushing MiB over MB. There are no 1000-base byte units
04:25 * luke-jr_ personally pushes for any binary-based unit systems
04:25 <luke-jr_> eg, cup/pottle/quart/gallon
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: On the back end (function definition), see veMath and veComparison for definitions of 'sin' and 'iff'
04:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: for the front end (actual parsing), see the stuff that handles <Value ...> in cockpits
04:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I might not implement variables at all-- instead, DCT should make them unnecessary (read-only stuff would be an argument-less function)
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05:45 <Lucifer_arma> wiki's up again
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's how mom noticed it was down. He was editing it. Heh. Oops.
05:46 <spidey> lol
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: no, I understood you, I just ranted here instead. I don't know anybody stupid enough to think MiB is a useful unit, sorry.
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> oops, screwed up the partitioning, heh
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 44M partition for svn, and it's supposed to be 4GB
06:11 * Lucifer_arma slaps himself
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: website's back up, in case you hadn't noticed and you needed it
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> User Unnamed Wimp
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Location http://www.davefancella.com/thisdoesnotexistahaha.php
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Referrer
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> Message thisdoesnotexistahaha.php not found.
06:25 <spidey> good god
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> what?
06:25 <spidey> 1 hour and 30 minutes to hash 30gig 6 of which are hashed already and the process is set at high priority
06:26 <spidey> 157 files -_-
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> rsync?
06:26 <spidey> nah
06:27 <spidey> p2p client uses hash's
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm waiting a long fucking time for a directory to be copied across partitions
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of the problems with having all these partitions, when you copy across them, the file actually has to be copied byte by byte :(
06:28 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
06:29 <spidey> lmao
06:29 <spidey> the time goes up when i move my mouse
06:29 <spidey> and goes down wen i don't
06:31 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you mean to use "MiB" instead of "MB"? The proponents of "MiB" insist without the "i" is 1000-based
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, I thought they were insisting we use MiB for base 10 version of the unit and keep MB the same
06:31 <spidey> how many movies are in the nightmare on elm street set?
06:31 <spidey> 3?
06:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nope, dumb isn't it?
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's dumb anyway. If the computer were base 10, it would make sense, but it's not
06:33 <luke-jr_> if the computer were base 10, a byte would be smaller than a bit and probably not used =p
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's especially dumb for Americans using imperial units to bitch about it in the first place :)
06:34 <luke-jr_> base 10 counting is dumb, anyway =p
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> base e is better :)
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4.5 GB in MB
06:36 <armabot> 4.5 gigabytes = 4,608 megabytes
06:36 <luke-jr_> never figured out why the people who created metric stuck with a nonsensical base
06:36 <luke-jr_> yay google
06:36 <luke-jr_> base e and pi are fun, but not too useful except maybe for radians
06:37 * luke-jr_ wrote a base conversion function that could handle fractional bases
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be happy to switch to base 2, the math is mostly the same anyway
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> rather, base 16
06:37 <luke-jr_> I'd prefer base 16 for writing-- it's compatible with base 2 :)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> base 2 for hardcore stuff, base 16 for regular hand-written work
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> and then I'd support having 1024 feet in a mile, with 1024 inches in a foot, etc.
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd keep feet/yards/miles just to piss off the SI people
06:39 <luke-jr_> heh
06:39 <luke-jr_> I'd rename units tho
06:39 <luke-jr_> I maintain a clock applet for KDE that shows the hexadecimal time
06:39 <luke-jr_> right now, it's .3:14 :)
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I've got the size I wanted for /backup and /var/svn
06:40 <luke-jr_> crap, I forgot pi in hex :(
06:40 * luke-jr_ used to know it to 2 digits =p
06:42 <luke-jr_> 4, actually
06:42 <luke-jr_> 3.243f6a8885a3
06:42 <luke-jr_> not sure where that loses its accuracy
06:42 <luke-jr_> pretty sure 3.243f is accurate tho
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> it would be mildly entertaining if it turned out pi was rational in base 16
06:43 <luke-jr_> I don't think it can be rational in any integer base
06:43 <luke-jr_> seeing that any integer base can be represented by a fraction
06:43 <luke-jr_> in fact, I don't think it's possible in any rational base ;p
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I dont' really know enough about pi deep down inside to even venture a guess. All's I know is that a taylor series can be used to compute it,
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> but the series itself is pretty wild and freaky
06:45 <luke-jr_> but an irrational number (such as pi) cannot be represented by a fraction
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yes it can
06:45 <luke-jr_> not accurately
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the catch is that you have to have accurate measurements
06:46 <luke-jr_> and any rational number in a rational base can be a fraction
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> pi was originally defined as the ratio between the circumferance and diameter of a circle, which is a fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> ok, a *rational* fraction
06:46 <luke-jr_> the only way to make an irrational number rational is to use an irrational base
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, if the fraction can't be turned into a decimal with a finite number of digits, it's irrational :)
06:47 <luke-jr_> eh? 1/9 is considered irrational?
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> but 1/8 is not
06:47 * luke-jr_ thought irrationality was stricter than that
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, anyway. That's how it was taught to me
06:48 <luke-jr_> as I was taught, only numbers like pi and e are irrational
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> these days it's more important to tell the difference between an exact value and an approximation anyway
06:48 <luke-jr_> IIRC, but that was years ago
06:48 <luke-jr_> today my main interest in pi and such is memorization ;)
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, square root of 2 is irrational too, I think. There are radicals that are irrational
06:49 <luke-jr_> aww, I missed .3:24 :(
06:49 <luke-jr_> well, yeah, but I mean as far as common-use
06:49 <luke-jr_> or is sqrt2 used?
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah. I'm getting more intimate with pi than I thought I would, even in trig. Actually, I'm getting more intimate with e than I ever cared to.
06:50 <luke-jr_> hex time passes a bit quick
06:50 <luke-jr_> approx 40 seconds per hex-minute, IIRC
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_Numbers
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 24 / 32
06:50 <armabot> 24 / 32 = 0.75
06:50 <luke-jr_> #g 60 * 0.75
06:50 <armabot> 60 * 0.75 = 45
06:50 <luke-jr_> so 45 minutes in a hex-hour
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so fractions are rational
06:51 <armabot> 45 / 256 = 0.17578125
06:51 <luke-jr_> #g 45 / 256 * 60
06:51 <armabot> (45 / 256) * 60 = 10.546875
06:51 <luke-jr_> that can't be right... O.o
06:51 * luke-jr_ must be tired
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> so radicals are either natural numbers or irrational numbers, but can't be rational
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> except that rational is a superset that includes natural numbers :)
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 24/16*60
06:52 <armabot> (24 / 16) * 60 = 90
06:52 <luke-jr_> correction: *90* minutes to a hex-hour
06:52 <luke-jr_> #g 90 / 256 * 60
06:52 <armabot> (90 / 256) * 60 = 21.09375
06:53 <luke-jr_> still seems wrong there
06:53 <luke-jr_> I guess not
06:53 <luke-jr_> counted it out
06:53 <luke-jr_> so approx 21 seconds per a hex-minute
06:53 <luke-jr_> which is why sometimes the last digit of the time is sometimes unused, I guess
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, umm, how long is the day?
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the day should be FF hex-hours, is that what you set it up as?
06:56 <luke-jr_> 16 hex-hours
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x10, I mean ;)
06:56 <luke-jr_> 0x100 hex-minutes per hex-hour
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 60*24
06:56 <armabot> 60 * 24 = 1,440
06:57 <luke-jr_> so 0x(1/10) is the second hour of the day
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1024 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 1,024 = 0x400
06:57 <luke-jr_> 4096 is nicer
06:57 <luke-jr_> iirc
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is
06:57 <luke-jr_> #g 4096 in hexadecimal
06:57 <armabot> 4,096 = 0x1000
06:57 <luke-jr_> heh, then we get "KB" = blocks ;)
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> just trying to get something that gets 1 minute close to a hex minute
06:57 <luke-jr_> by default on ext3 anyhow
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, don't blocks vary with hd's?
06:58 <luke-jr_> good luck, I imagine the current hex time system is the way it is because there's no good alternative
06:58 <luke-jr_> blocks vary with filesystem formatting
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> so there's a real hex time system? heh.
06:58 <luke-jr_> ext3's default is 4 KB
06:58 <luke-jr_> yes, though I deviate a bit from it
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> aha, tht's why ext3 supposedly uses more space for portage than reiser's supposed to use
06:59 <luke-jr_> I trash time zones and use <date>.<time>
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06:59 <luke-jr_> reiser has some dynamic block size thing, IIRC
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, all's I know is it's supposed to outperform ext3 by quite a bit, and I figured since I had to repartition anyway, I may as well go for it and see if it speeds up my server
07:00 <luke-jr_> w/ reiser, /boot needs its own partition
07:00 <luke-jr_> either with another fs, or with the notail option
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> grub can read reiser now, but I made /boot ext2
07:00 <luke-jr_> I've heard some scary stories with reiser tho, so I avoid it
07:00 <luke-jr_> GRUB can read reiser w/ tails?
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure, all I know is that grub can read reiser, I know nothing more. Remember, I made my /boot ext2 :)
07:01 <luke-jr_> tails is a default option ;)
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> I saw something saying you needed to give grub some additional parameters, but I ignored it because I wasn't doing reiser for /boot
07:02 <luke-jr_> hm
07:02 <luke-jr_> notail would go in fstab, not grub
07:04 <luke-jr_> hehe, wikipedia totally lacks any knowledge of non-integer bases
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I like the idea of base pi. Then a unit circle has diameter 2 :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe I should rethink that a bit
07:06 <luke-jr_> lol
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, base pi gives a unit circle a diameter of 2
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> no
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:07 <luke-jr_> I count on my fingers in base 5 :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, trying to work on my backup system
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07:15 <spidey> g[jfg';jk;gfjk;lfdjyh;lkjsfdl'hgjfl;'jhfljhlkfjghlkfjdhjfdhklfgjk]
07:15 <spidey> damn it
07:16 <spidey> fucking client hashing all those movies is causing the one i'm trying to watch to crash cause of the cpu cycle
07:16 <spidey> -_-
07:16 <guru3> hash hahaha
07:16 <spidey> ?
07:16 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/blah.JPG
07:16 <spidey> hash
07:16 <spidey> only there's 57minutes left now
07:16 <guru3> can't open links
07:17 <spidey> the p2p client uses hash's
07:17 <spidey> example
07:17 <spidey> arlnk://hashlink
07:17 <guru3> i know
07:17 <spidey> that opens my p2p client and downloads a file :D
07:17 <guru3> doesn't keep me from laughing
07:17 <spidey> :p
07:18 <guru3> g2g now
07:18 <guru3> l8r
07:18 <spidey> cya
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07:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, now I've got to do the shit-work part...cleaning up and organizing my home directory and the shared directory, then setting up user quotas :/
07:46 <spidey> sounds fun
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's shit work. :(
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> basically, first pull it all to my laptop, then organize it, then setup syncing my laptop's home and shared directory to the server
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's 2 home directory backups in there, too. One from my laptop and a much older one
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
08:02 <GodTodd> a bit
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> what child of Amber would be best to use for a backup server?
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> the main server is benedict, and my laptop is ghostwheel. Who makes a good backup?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> my old laptop was Random, heh
08:05 <GodTodd> Julian maybe?
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard, hmmm
08:05 <GodTodd> or Gerard
08:05 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Julian would stab you in the back if he got pissed at you
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> Gerard wouldn't, though. Yeah, I think the backup server should be gerard
08:06 <GodTodd> sounds good :)
08:06 * Lucifer_arma wonders if his wife is ever going to notice the naming convention on the computers
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> probably when my daughter's computer gets named Deirdre she'll start noticing :)
08:07 <GodTodd> heh
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> my old windows box that I kept around for awhile was named Flora becuase it was flaky, it ran windows so it was flaky
08:08 <spidey> nah
08:08 <spidey> i can turn a win98 box into one of the smoothest running systems you've seen
08:09 <spidey> my hp from 98 was 733mhz and 64mb ram,i had it running like this box which is 3times that in cpu and whatever in ram
08:10 <spidey> then my other grandma gave it to one of my uncles -_-
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> THIS IS THE STUPIDEST IMPORTER EVER!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then for no good reason it shows a prompt that says "Could not import message into folder", and makes you click ok to continue importing
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> a *smart* importer would just collect all that and tell me at the end, so I could go smoke or something while it ran
08:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey: does that do anything different than split -d -l 500 armaglogs.txt?
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you still kicking? :)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I'm going to add a whole slew of articles to the website in a little bit, backlog I want to clear. May as well put them in and have them show on the front page, what do you think?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> it'll push your article down pretty far..
08:58 <GodTodd> sure
08:58 <GodTodd> i got more stuff in the works anyway :)
09:04 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:07 <wrtlprnft> test to see if the new cronjob works. If it does this line should appear in http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2006-08-13.txt in 3 minutes
09:11 <wrtlprnft> didn't work, let's try again...
09:15 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it's updating
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #alias add realchatlogs "echo $who: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/"
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:16 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
09:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
09:17 <wrtlprnft> I hope spidey's gonna shut up now
09:20 <GodTodd> wishful thinking :)
09:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah >.<
09:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: <Value field="minimum" expr="-1*10" />
09:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: this just exits arma, looks like an uncaught exeption
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ok, didn't want to just toss it up there and make you mad. :) Most of it is stuff that's already run on other sites, mostly Newsforge and LWN
09:23 <GodTodd> heh...takes a lot to make me mad
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> some of it's already on the site, so I'll have to look around and make sure I'm not duplicating
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be at least a little annoyed if I got invited to write on a website, wrote an article, and then my buddy went and threw his backlog on there and washed the one I wrote back a page or two
09:24 <GodTodd> besides...the article i wrote is pretty bland...kind of a feet wetting thing
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> Some of them I'm probably just going to predate so they don't show up on the front page because I don't want them there right now
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still going through it all so I haven't made any real decisions. Probably I'll stick 'em in moderation so you can take a look at them before they go public anyway.
09:25 <GodTodd> as long as none of it badmouths me i'm cool ;)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you'll probably like them. It's not commentary for the most part, though, mostly how-tos and stuff.
09:26 <GodTodd> cool :)
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting a tad distracted reading them, heh.
09:26 * Lucifer_arma looks for his focus
09:26 <GodTodd> 250$ for 3 classes worth of books...sound decent?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 250/3
09:26 <armabot> 250 / 3 = 83.3333333
09:26 <GodTodd> keeping in mind that 2 of them are for trig and c++
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, right. I was about to ask about that. :)
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, english and history and stuff tend to be around $40, math and others $80+
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> down here, anyway
09:27 <GodTodd> yeah...sounds like what i was seeing :/
09:27 <GodTodd> fuckin' racket
09:27 <GodTodd> heh
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> my calc book was $150, but it covers 3 classes
09:28 <GodTodd> yeah...karen said that's the one i'll probably have to get
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> I could have bought a different book that covered calc 1 and 2 for $100, and then another book for calc 3 that was also $100
09:28 <GodTodd> when i get there
09:28 <GodTodd> thing is...i think i only have to go through calc 2
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, then you'll need to burn that bridge when you come to it. :)
09:29 <GodTodd> yep
09:29 <GodTodd> :)
09:29 <GodTodd> i priced books at the bookstore, amazon and pj's
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> also check for hidden calc classes in other places. Something like "Advanced differentiation for applications"
09:29 <GodTodd> i think i have to take diff eq
09:29 <GodTodd> eventually
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> blech. I found the bookstore and the one across the street had the same prices, and I won't wait for shipping.
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> diff eq is a different textbook, afaik, for us
09:30 <GodTodd> yep...that's what i found too
09:30 <GodTodd> so i'll get what i can at the bookstore and what i can't get there i'll get at pj's :)
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> so have you started class already, or just getting ready and taking the chance on the bookstore ordering the wrong book?
09:30 <GodTodd> dunno yet
09:30 <GodTodd> classes start on the 28th
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you buy early enough, the bookstores are good about keeping shit in stock.
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, same here. Class ends on Tuesday, not much of a break
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> I try to buy the first day. I go to class, get the syllabus, then go straight to the bookstore and take the hit on waiting in line.
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09:32 <GodTodd> i tend to trust the right books being there because pj's and the bookstore had them the same....the only thing that would fuck me up is if they change during the short break ;)
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron, do you buy your textbooks before the semester starts or after?
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> nah, they won't change then, there's at least a semester of lead time on that stuff
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i buy them the day after the semester starts
09:32 <DrJoeTron> so i know what to buy
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, the bookstore could order and recover quickly, but the departments need time
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> so you go to class and get the syllabus, then stand in line at the bookstore?
09:33 <DrJoeTron> close
09:33 <DrJoeTron> theres a college book store quarter mile up the road
09:33 <GodTodd> yeah...see...cccc has an online bookstore...you put in your semester, the dept, the class, and the section and it tells you the books you need
09:33 <DrJoeTron> last year i bought my books a weekbefore hand
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> my first semester I bought my textbooks a couple of days before the semester started, and the psych book was wrong, and one of the books I got for comp I wasn't used
09:34 <DrJoeTron> and then sold back what i didnt need
09:34 <DrJoeTron> see, its best to get the syllabus first
09:34 <DrJoeTron> ...but then you get caught in the rush
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, selling back is a loss, I had to give them back during the grace period where I could get a full refund
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> the rush doesn't seem too bad around here if you go in right after class. I mean, in the between-class period the bookstore is pretty packed, but it clears out
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> you're only in line 20 minutes max
09:35 <GodTodd> my classes are at night :)
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> bookstore isn't open then?
09:35 <GodTodd> nope
09:35 <GodTodd> afaik anyway
09:36 <GodTodd> they may be on some fucked up summer hours right now
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> what about other bookstores? Like joe mentioned, they tend to have competitors and stuff
09:36 <GodTodd> but as of right now they close at 7
09:36 <GodTodd> yeah...pj's around here
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> my experience is that fall hours are the longest run, spring next, and I've no idea what the summer hours are like
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, since I bought the big calc book I didn't need to buy a textbook for this summer
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll need 2 textbooks in the fall, US Gov and physics
09:37 <GodTodd> hell i just hope i didn't forget how to study
09:37 <GodTodd> heh
09:38 <DrJoeTron> no idea what i need yet
09:38 <DrJoeTron> i still have to see what to get
09:38 <GodTodd> 3 colleges and 13 years and still going for a BS....slow enough? :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> no idea what classes you're taking yet?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> im allready registered
09:39 <DrJoeTron> i just need to check out what i need to get for books
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> ah, so this is "play like I don't know what's going on" mode? ;)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I'm also taking a drafting class, and I don't have any idea what supplies I'll need for that
09:39 <GodTodd> drafting stuff, i'd imagine :)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> but my wife found my win2k disc, so I wont' have to repartition my laptop if they require me to get autocad
09:39 <DrJoeTron> nah this is "gotta cram out a few more things before...shit i gotta get books" mode
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just run win2k in qemu :)
09:40 <DrJoeTron> io just got back from chicago
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> this is likely to be a fun semester for me :)
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you lived in chicago?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> i say that because its easier
09:40 <DrJoeTron> im like 10 minutes from it
09:40 <GodTodd> i'm tempted to dual boot linux on here so that i can prove to myself that i don't need windows :)
09:41 <GodTodd> it's like me saying i live in Dallas :)
09:41 <DrJoeTron> like i could walk to chicago
09:41 <DrJoeTron> but i dont live downtown
09:41 <DrJoeTron> though id love to
09:41 <DrJoeTron> beautiful city
09:42 <DrJoeTron> i just got back from an improv play
09:42 <DrJoeTron> To much light makes the baby go blind
09:42 <DrJoeTron> too*
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just like me saying I live in Austin, too
09:42 <GodTodd> yep
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> the only way you can prove you don't need windows is to single-boot linux :)
09:42 <DrJoeTron> its 30 plays in 1 hour
09:42 <GodTodd> yeah...but i don't want to take that chance with school coming up...
09:43 <GodTodd> i'm chickenshit
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> why not? I switched distributions during school :)
09:43 <GodTodd> yeah well...i r stoopid ;)
09:43 <GodTodd> heh
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I took the hit and installed linux on my laptop when I found Windows was turning me into an ADD kid
09:43 <DrJoeTron> i built a new pc durring school
09:43 <GodTodd> i built a new pc IN school :P
09:44 <DrJoeTron> windows doesnt take too long to load in
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> joe built himself a new robotic girlfriend the week before finals
09:44 <DrJoeTron> she left me for the toaster
09:44 <GodTodd> i blew up a pc once...for class
09:44 <GodTodd> it wasn't supposed to blow...but i'm good that way heh
09:45 <DrJoeTron> my family.....they were sad to see her leave
09:45 <DrJoeTron> mainly because she took the toaster
09:45 <GodTodd> i like toasters....they give good bread
09:45 <DrJoeTron> well...i mean toasters arent so great... :/
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a picture to make you all go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <DrJoeTron> if this is goatse
09:46 <GodTodd> i have a 5 month old...i got a shitload of those :)
09:46 <DrJoeTron> it wont make me go "awwwwwwwwwww"
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/anthonybox.jpg
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> he was 3 in that picture, iirc
09:47 <DrJoeTron> now he is 26!
09:47 <DrJoeTron> my how they grow!
09:47 <GodTodd> well...dude...if ya need money....;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, no, he's just 6
09:47 <GodTodd> ;)
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> man, he did that on his own
09:47 <GodTodd> i know
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> his bedroom was like another 20 steps from there, with a nice bed on a frame and all, but he just climbed into the box instead
09:48 <GodTodd> that's kids
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> I took the picture, and then took him out of the box and carried him to bed
09:48 <DrJoeTron> looks like he's low matenance
09:49 <GodTodd> when i was a kid we didn't even *have* boxes
09:49 <GodTodd> heh
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> hell, we didn't even have a floor
09:50 <GodTodd> in La Luz....probably not :)
09:53 <GodTodd> this is the trip when tommy decided it might be cool to be an astronaut :)
09:53 <GodTodd> http://www.toddmacy.com/tommyspacemodule.jpg
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> and not just any astronaut, that's a genuine Mercury capsule there
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> not a replica, that fucker went to space
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I could be talking out my ass
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> did you tell him that to fly in a Mercury capsule he has to have a genie?
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> err, or did that guy fly in the Gemini program?
09:56 <GodTodd> not sure
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> the show was made in the 70s, wasn't it? Which would have been the Apollo program
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> but he only went orbital, Apollo was moon
09:58 <DrJoeTron> alright
09:58 <DrJoeTron> bed time
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it's probably just a fictional program
09:58 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
09:58 <GodTodd> '65-'70
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> 'night DrJoeTron
09:59 <GodTodd> nite joe
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> 65-70 would be Apollo, too
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> the moonshot was in 69
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but that would have been Apollo's orbital period, building up to the moonshot
09:59 * Lucifer_arma will put his paper on the subject on the website in a bit
10:01 <GodTodd> heh
10:06 <GodTodd> apparently they show him doing mercury, gemini and apollo
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> really?
10:08 <GodTodd> yep
10:08 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dream_of_Jeannie
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> the show ran that long? Or they just wanted to model him after Gus Grissom?
10:08 <GodTodd> Wally Shirra actually
10:08 <GodTodd> only astronaut to actually fly all 3
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> er, hmmm
10:15 * Lucifer_arma forgets
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> Gus Grissom flew Mercury and Gemini, but he got killed during Apollo
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> he might have been in the capsule that burned up on the launchpad, hence he was an Apollo astronaut but didn't fly
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think Mercury for the jeanie guy just because the cartoon at the beginning shows him as the single crewmember on the capsule :)
10:18 <GodTodd> yah...gus grissom died in apollo 1
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> almost finished reorganizing myself
10:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to settle some permissions, though
10:27 <wrtlprnft> is the wiki still down?
10:28 <wrtlprnft> betw I did notice the wiki went down yesterday, but i didn't say anything as you complained the last time
10:28 <GodTodd> welp...naptime for me...
10:28 <GodTodd> #night
10:28 <wrtlprnft> about the fact that i told you it wasn't woking like 20 seconds after you broke it
10:28 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
10:28 <wrtlprnft> night GodTodd
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, wasn't complaining last time, was surprised someone noticed that quickly
10:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no, wiki's back up again, explanation and apology on the forum
10:30 <wrtlprnft> you sounded kinda annoyed about it ;)
10:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i can't reach it :S
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> nah. Just another case where typed messages don't always come off as intended. :/
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's responding for me...
10:31 <wrtlprnft> ah, it works now
10:32 <wrtlprnft> looks like opera had so many requests to the wiki in queue that weren't responding that the new ones didn't come through
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> aha
10:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6068 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/AUTHORS: davidfancella is an administrator, so he may receive spam too :P
10:42 <wrtlprnft> guru3, z-man and davidfancella are the Administrators, any spam goes to them.
10:42 * wrtlprnft laughts at Lucifer_arma
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *laughs
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11:32 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://armagetronad.net/contacts.php seems to be borked
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> damn. I told unison to ignore flightgear, but it's scanning that directory anyway. I guess it has to scan it and get a list of files in it before it can ignore it.
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's 13 GB I really don't need synchronized :/
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what is the library that plays music in arma?
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> sdl_mixer
11:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ty
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> np
11:43 <wrtlprnft> if it decides to play it for a change ;)
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm getting tired of watching latitude/longitude going across my screen :(
11:46 <wrtlprnft> watch something else?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I knew it wasn't supposed to scan the directory if it was ignoring it
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiping out all previous backups
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> ack, the long part. :(
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not waiting 94 minutes for this to finish, I'll just have to check in the morning to see if it did it right
12:28 <wrtlprnft> good night i guess
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> #night
12:40 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
13:00 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#extensions
13:00 <wrtlprnft> For example, negative-root-two, to 32 significant figures, would be -1.4142135623730950488016887242097e0, the radius of the earth given in furlongs, to an arbitrary precision, would be 3.17e4, and the answer to the life, the universe and everything could be any of (amongst others) 42, 0042.000, 42e0, 4.2e1, or 420e-1.
13:00 <wrtlprnft> lol @42
13:08 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/split.txt
13:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: #realchatlogs
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
13:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
13:11 <spidey> o.O
13:12 <wrtlprnft> i made it split by date, not line count
13:12 <spidey> ah
13:12 <wrtlprnft> otherwise I could have used split -l 500 :P
13:13 <spidey> ;p
13:15 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/splitlogs.txt <-- you can learn something there :P
13:16 <spidey> cool
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13:57 <jnmbk> hi, I want to translate this amazing game into my language (Turkish), where should I begin ?
13:58 <jnmbk> is there any document about translating?
14:02 <jnmbk> ok, I see, it's simpler than I thought. I'll just translate english_base.txt...
14:03 <wrtlprnft> yep
14:04 <wrtlprnft> send us the result :)
14:06 <jnmbk> I will ;) (it may take a few weeks to finish 2700/3=900 lines completely)
14:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's lots of strings :s
14:37 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can I use UTF-8?
14:38 <jnmbk> we have some different characters like ?????? ??????
14:39 <jnmbk> without dots they look like cosigu COSIGU
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: unfortunately not
15:36 <jnmbk> wrtlprnft: can i use these? ??
15:37 <jnmbk> these chars are in german charset too
15:37 <jnmbk> only 2 of them
15:37 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: my IRC client uses latin-1
15:37 <wrtlprnft> you can use everything in latin-1
15:37 <jnmbk> ok
15:38 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1#Code_table <-- you can use all of these
15:38 <jnmbk> it includes ? & ?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> can't see those chars if you write them in IRC
15:39 <wrtlprnft> at least i can't
15:39 <jnmbk> ah, wait i'll switch to iso 8859-1
15:41 <jnmbk> ??
15:41 <wrtlprnft> hmm, just looking up in wikipedia since i don't speak turkish
15:41 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: still can't see it
15:41 <jnmbk> ok, I cant use this konversation :)
15:41 <wrtlprnft> latin-1 does have the C with a cedile
15:42 <wrtlprnft> but not the G with the inverse circumflexe
15:42 <jnmbk> and it includes o with dots on it
15:42 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:42 <wrtlprnft> and the U, as those are german chars
15:42 <wrtlprnft> not the S though
15:43 <wrtlprnft> and not those I without dot
15:43 <wrtlprnft> you'd need latin-3 I think
15:43 <jnmbk> and are you planning to go utf-8 some time?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-3
15:44 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: yeah, somewhere in the future
15:44 <wrtlprnft> infact i started a branch with some UTF-8 code, but noone did anything with it, so it's still unfinished
15:44 <jnmbk> ok, then I'll write in utf-8 and convert non-standart chars
15:44 <jnmbk> after it's done...
15:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah, post both files then :)
15:45 <wrtlprnft> so once we support UTF-8 we can just switch files
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16:00 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you try to debug it? My guess would be a bug handling the unary minus
16:01 <luke-jr_> I haven't tested that
16:03 <wrtlprnft> i thought i'd leave debuging to you as you know the code :P
16:03 <wrtlprnft> and gdb won't show anything as arma exits regulary to it
16:04 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, the exit doesn't happen at parsing time
16:04 <luke-jr_> sounds more like an uncaught non-exception, then =p
16:04 <wrtlprnft> it happens the first time the computed value is requested
16:05 <luke-jr_> eg, a null pointer or such
16:05 <luke-jr_> we need a way to dump a tValue tree to stderr
16:05 <luke-jr_> to examine it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> sure, add the needed functions :P
16:06 <wrtlprnft> you'd just need to define a virtual extraction operator to tValue
16:06 <wrtlprnft> no, a virtual extraction function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> and a non-virtual extraction operator that calls that function
16:06 <wrtlprnft> look at tCoord to see how it's done
16:07 <luke-jr_> I don't want to add it to every class :p
16:07 <luke-jr_> tho I guess only base classes would need it
16:07 <wrtlprnft> you need to if you want it to output something useful
16:07 <wrtlprnft> at least all classes that have child elements would need to
16:09 <luke-jr_> too bad there's no way to link with the debugger and tell it to dump the object's variables
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure there is one
16:12 <luke-jr_> what was the expression you had a problem with?
16:12 <wrtlprnft> -1*10
16:12 <wrtlprnft> but 1*10 does the same
16:13 <wrtlprnft> infact, 10 does too
16:13 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6069 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: unary minus needs a higher precedence
16:13 <luke-jr_> O.o
16:13 <wrtlprnft> <AtomicData field="source" source="player_acceleration" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> <Value field="minimum" expr="10" />
16:13 <wrtlprnft> <AtomicData field="maximum" source="0" />
16:15 <luke-jr_> must be something with the XML or Set
16:15 <luke-jr_> vValue::Expr::Core::Base *test = vValue::Parser::parse(tString("10"));
16:15 <luke-jr_> std::cerr << "test: " << test->GetValue() << std::endl;
16:15 <luke-jr_> no problem with that
16:16 <luke-jr_> I don't like the syntax Value element is using anyway =p
16:17 <wrtlprnft> why even use a separate value element?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> umm, ignore that crash
16:17 <wrtlprnft> it seems to be graphics related
16:17 <luke-jr_> IMO, it'd be nicer if XML syntax could be mixed with non-XML
16:17 <luke-jr_> 1 + 3 * <...>
16:17 <luke-jr_> eg
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it crashes without a cockpit file
16:18 <wrtlprnft> sorry to bother you
16:19 <luke-jr_> lol
16:19 <luke-jr_> so you mean move "field" attribute to a generic element and have XML-expressions optionally within that?
16:20 <luke-jr_> fine by me =p
16:20 <luke-jr_> not sure on how to mix the XML in with non-XML tho
16:20 <wrtlprnft> well, i guess you could just make it a mixed element
16:20 <wrtlprnft> so you write <Value>5+<somexml /></Value
16:20 <wrtlprnft> >
16:21 <luke-jr_> perhaps insert some non-printable placeholder in the bytestream in place of the XML expression
16:21 <luke-jr_> eg, (char)5
16:21 <luke-jr_> and have the parser translate that to "pop an already-made expression object off some stack"
16:22 <luke-jr_> I'm not sure I'd know how to insert the placeholder tho
16:22 <wrtlprnft> well
16:22 <wrtlprnft> we could run through the contents of the xml node of the <Value>
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's a "text" element, add it to some string to be parsed later
16:23 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
16:23 <wrtlprnft> if it's an xml element, parse it, add the resulting tValue to some std::queue and a placeholder to the string
16:23 <wrtlprnft> and then pass it to the parsing code
16:24 <luke-jr_> not a deque?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> do you need a double- ended queue?
16:24 <luke-jr_> well, you'd push the values on the back
16:24 <luke-jr_> and the parser'd pop em off the front
16:24 <luke-jr_> o.o
16:24 <luke-jr_> dunno
16:24 <luke-jr_> what's a queue do?
16:24 <wrtlprnft> exactly that
16:24 <luke-jr_> ok
16:24 <wrtlprnft> and just that
16:24 <luke-jr_> one possible problem
16:24 <luke-jr_> can't be sure of popping order :x
16:25 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:25 <luke-jr_> eg, parenthesis and precedence and such
16:25 <wrtlprnft> you might also make a std::map<int, BasePtr>
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and somehow number the placeholders
16:25 <luke-jr_> the parser uses Base* internally XD
16:25 <luke-jr_> yes, could easilly number them
16:26 <luke-jr_> (char 5) followed by a cast pointer perhaps
16:27 <wrtlprnft> whatever suits your needs
16:28 <wrtlprnft> then you could have the parser just accept a tXmlParser::node
16:28 <luke-jr_> ?
16:29 <luke-jr_> oh, maybe :x
16:29 <luke-jr_> would make testing it more difficult tho
16:29 <wrtlprnft> do whatever works
16:29 <luke-jr_> unless I did seperate subclasses for XML and tString
16:30 <luke-jr_> anyway, I GTG
16:30 <wrtlprnft> I don't know about tValue internals anymore anyways :P
16:30 <wrtlprnft> cya
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17:37 <wrtlprnft> woo!
17:37 <wrtlprnft> my 3D accel is fixed!
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17:50 <wrtlprnft> again from http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/
17:50 <wrtlprnft> > The off value means that the control's input data is either particularily sensitive (for example the activation code for a nuclear weapon)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> nice examples they have
17:51 <wrtlprnft> interesting read though.
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19:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6070 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: common testing ground
20:07 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what does that message mean?...
20:08 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that I committed the common testing ground
20:08 <luke-jr_> :)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:08 <wrtlprnft> i see it now
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, i fixed my graphics now, and arma doesn't crash anymore
20:10 <wrtlprnft> so, how exactly do I add functions available to my cockpit?
20:14 <luke-jr_> first, you make the subclass for it
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vCore.h for the base classes
20:15 <luke-jr_> you'll need values/vRegistry.h to registry it
20:15 <luke-jr_> register*
20:16 <luke-jr_> in the class's .cpp file, put something like
20:16 <wrtlprnft> what about putting some sample code somewhere or document it on the wiki?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> ph wants to do the same, so you'll probably save time
20:17 <luke-jr_> tools/values/veLogic.cpp/h work fine as examples
20:17 <luke-jr_> the condition is registered as the iff function
20:18 <luke-jr_> Registration register_iff("func\nlogic", "iff", 3, (Registration::fptr)
20:18 <luke-jr_> ( ctor::a3* )& Creator<Condition>::create<BasePtr,BasePtr,BasePtr> );
20:18 <luke-jr_> you'd change the logic flag to cockpit
20:18 <luke-jr_> 3 and a3 are # of arguments
20:18 <luke-jr_> as is the count of BasePtrs
20:19 <luke-jr_> 'Condition' is the class
20:19 <luke-jr_> iff is the function name
20:19 <wrtlprnft> let me fix the DTDs first...
20:20 <luke-jr_> you'll need to prefix everything with vValue too, unless you put using namespace vValue
20:20 <luke-jr_> and using namespace vValue::Registry
20:20 <wrtlprnft> where is the rule that puts cockpit-0.3.0.dtd into included/AATeam?
20:20 <luke-jr_> no clue
20:20 <wrtlprnft> because i only see one dtd, and that's cockpit.dtd
20:20 <wrtlprnft> and greping for cockpit-0.0.3.dtd doesn't turn up anything useful
20:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: umm, looks like DTDs DO have a way to specify their path
20:24 <wrtlprnft> <!-- version="0.3.0" -->
20:24 <luke-jr_> that's not standardized
20:24 <luke-jr_> it just assists the build tool
20:24 <wrtlprnft> looks like this is read by sortresources.py
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20:33 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6071 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.0.dtd cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd): Fixed versions: cockpit-0.3.0.dtd is reverted to the state it was in when 0.3.0 was released, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd contains the changes made since then.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:35 <wrtlprnft> why is cockpit.dtd still there?! I used svn move!
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6072 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/cockpit.dtd: This file was supposed to be moved, looks like it's still there for some reason... DIE!
20:37 <luke-jr_> you know, cockpit.dtd is supposed to exist
20:37 <luke-jr_> unversioned resources are used in Svn
20:37 <luke-jr_> cuz as soon as you assign a version, it can't have any more changes
20:38 <luke-jr_> unless you bump the version too
20:38 <wrtlprnft> then you make it cockpit-0.3.1-b.dtd?!
20:38 <luke-jr_> then you have way too many versions?
20:39 <wrtlprnft> and what do i do with that version= comment?
20:39 <luke-jr_> dunno
20:39 <luke-jr_> ask the guys who wrote sortresources
20:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma:
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6073 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/ (cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd cockpit.dtd): Ok, half- reverted the change: cockpit.dtd exists again, cockpit-0.3.1-a.dtd is dead.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> now we have cockpit.dtd and cockpit-0.3.0.dtd
20:43 <wrtlprnft> using namespace vValue;
20:43 <wrtlprnft> oops
20:45 <wrtlprnft> wait, there's no way to just "link to" a simple function?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> ie as callback, not as tValue child
20:46 <luke-jr_> sure
20:46 <luke-jr_> use the C bindings
20:46 <luke-jr_> see veMath
20:47 <luke-jr_> it does it with sin
20:47 <wrtlprnft> too many files :X
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21:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: figure everything out good?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Well, I'm still pondering
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or hesitant to change all the callbacks
21:50 <wrtlprnft> they can't be class members anymore, right?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> like the old tValue::Callback
21:51 <luke-jr_> I don't know how that worked
21:52 <wrtlprnft> well
21:52 <wrtlprnft> Callback keeps a pointer to the instance of the class and the function pointer
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and then calls the function for the class
21:53 <wrtlprnft> TheClassPointer->(*TheFunctionPointer)();
21:53 <luke-jr_> oh, like I said-- the C binding
21:54 <luke-jr_> Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<float, FunctionPtr>
21:54 <luke-jr_> presuming the return type is float
21:55 <wrtlprnft> but tValue::Callback stores a pointer to an instance of the class
21:56 <luke-jr_> why?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> because the function needs to be called for that instance
21:57 <wrtlprnft> as it uses private members
21:57 <wrtlprnft> private non-static members, that is
21:57 <luke-jr_> so...?
21:57 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6074 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gCycle.h): Made some member functions that should be const.
21:57 <luke-jr_> use &instance.function instead of &class::function
21:58 <luke-jr_> or doesn't that work?
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6075 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
21:58 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
21:58 <luke-jr_> hm
21:58 <wrtlprnft> function pointers don't store the instance
21:58 <wrtlprnft> you need the pointer and the instance
21:58 <luke-jr_> o
21:58 <luke-jr_> well, it shouldn't be too hard to implement
21:59 <luke-jr_> perhaps called CppFunction =p
21:59 <wrtlprnft> needless to say the class instance doesn't exist at global construction time
21:59 <luke-jr_> that would probably be a problem
21:59 <wrtlprnft> get a . operator :)
22:00 * luke-jr_ ponders
22:00 <wrtlprnft> then you could say closestPlayer().speed()
22:00 <luke-jr_> yes
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6076 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6064 to 6075:
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: r6075 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:58:04 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Removed gap between cycle and wall when inter-frame prediction is large.
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:00 <luke-jr_> I think that really needs DCT
22:00 <armabot> armagetronad: r6074 | z-man | 2006-08-13 19:57:23 +0000 (Sun, 13 Aug 2006) | 1 line
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCZ
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DCT
22:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: It seems the configured wtf command was not available.
22:00 <wrtlprnft> gah
22:00 <luke-jr_> Dynamic Config Tree
22:01 <wrtlprnft> heh, that thing z-man just committed was a fix for the problem I put onto the forums!
22:01 <luke-jr_> more or less, exporting objects and their variables such that it can be used as a config
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <wrtlprnft> well, good luck i guess
22:03 <wrtlprnft> i guess z-man is about to commit another fix quite soon, according to his post
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #wtf wtf
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
22:08 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it works
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #list unix
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: crypt, errno, fortune, pid, progstats, spell, and wtf
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: The command "spell" is available in the Google and Unix plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "spell".
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell
22:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (unix spell <word>) -- Returns the result of passing <word> to aspell/ispell. The results shown are sorted from best to worst in terms of being a likely match for the spelling of <word>.
22:08 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell dpreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell depreciated
22:09 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think i killed it
22:09 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> u got pwnd!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> i guess i pwnd myself
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft got pwnd by wrtlprnft
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb armabot
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:11 <wrtlprnft> armabot got pwnd by me
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #wb armabot
22:11 <wrtlprnft> #hello armabot
22:11 <armabot> Hello wrtlprnft :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #183: || filesystem not big enough for Jumbo Kernel Patch
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #hello
22:11 <armabot> Hello [Xpert]DarkStar :) Random Fortune: /* These are the most dangerous and useful defines. They do printk() during || * the interrupt processing routine(s), so if you manage to get "flooded" by || * irq's, start thinking about the "Power off/on" button... || */ || linux-2.2.16/drivers/sbus/char/aurora.h
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /sbus/
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so only old sparc machines affected ><
22:12 <wrtlprnft> version 2.2 :P
22:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> didn't even look at that
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh yeah
22:13 <wrtlprnft> those fortunes are all kinda old :S
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (something completely different)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #help fortune
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (fortune takes no arguments) -- Returns a fortune from the *nix fortune program.
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> guess who was on a concert with his girlfriend on friday evening
22:13 <wrtlprnft> you can't even pass params to it? lame!
22:15 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwn
22:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
22:16 * luke-jr_ pwn'd it
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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22:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> seems like it dun like spell :P
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22:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> [f]
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #unix spell hi
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #ping
22:17 <armabot> pong
22:17 <wrtlprnft> haha :P
22:20 <wrtlprnft> > Authors must not do this. User agent implementors may curse authors who violate these rules, and may persecute them to the full extent allowed by applicable international law.
22:20 <wrtlprnft> i'd love to persecute someone for writing invalid HTML/WebForms20
22:21 <wrtlprnft> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#handling
22:21 <luke-jr_> #unix spell pwnu
22:21 <luke-jr_> #ping
22:21 <armabot> pong
22:21 <luke-jr_> #echo [ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping][ping]
22:21 <Compn1> lol
22:21 <armabot> pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong
22:21 <Compn1> someone asked what the difference between owned and pwned was
22:21 <Compn1> that was funny
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22:46 <GodTodd> ok...i feel stupid now....how do i burn an iso into a bootable cd?
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <luke-jr_> the same way you normally burn an iso
22:47 <spidey> lmao
22:48 <GodTodd> well...that's helpful
22:49 <spidey> ?
22:49 <GodTodd> nvm i'll figure it out
22:49 <luke-jr_> well, you didn't give enough details for anything more specific
22:49 <spidey> windows or linux?
22:49 <luke-jr_> like what OS you're using, for a start
22:49 <luke-jr_> and what program you burn CDs with
22:50 <spidey> http://members.home.nl/lsnoek/iso.htm
22:50 <GodTodd> you could just say that instead of being smartassed about it
22:50 <spidey> what?? huh??
22:50 <spidey> that's luke-jr_ what you expect :p
22:51 <luke-jr_> well, I gave you a general answer
22:51 <luke-jr_> which would have been fine if your question was specifically about bootable ISOs
23:00 <wrtlprnft> "The method for burning ISO images is defined by the operating environment of the user, any user wishing to burn an ISO is expected to contact the maintainer of the operating environment in use for details"
23:03 * wrtlprnft loves reading specifications
23:03 <wrtlprnft> exept for a few funny passages they're as tasty as eating flour.
23:11 <luke-jr_> Gentoo's freeciv ebuild sucks
23:11 <luke-jr_> it's like the old arma one
23:12 <wrtlprnft> the new baselayout is nice :)
23:12 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
23:12 <luke-jr_> pong
23:12 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: which one?
23:12 <spidey> pm
23:12 <wrtlprnft> DHCP is finally backgrounded
23:13 <wrtlprnft> well, the one that was just unmasked
23:13 <luke-jr_> lol
23:13 <luke-jr_> my network config just doesn't even try if there's no cable plugged into the port ;)
23:13 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies ... done!
23:13 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.4-r2 USE="-bootstrap -build -static -unicode" 0 kB
23:13 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
23:13 <wrtlprnft> that was the result of /exec -o emerge -pv baselayout
23:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it's just that DHCP takes quite a while here even if it succeeds
23:14 <GodTodd> thank you spidey, that link worked great :)
23:15 * wrtlprnft is tempted to say /exec -o emerge -epv world
23:22 * Lucifer_arma is running the first backup in his new backup plan
23:24 <wrtlprnft> didn't you do that last night?
23:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: how do you play freeciv?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> start a server, then start a client and connect to that server?
23:25 <luke-jr_> then do what
23:27 <wrtlprnft> #google howto play freeciv
23:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.56 seconds: Freeciv for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 ( January 23, 2003 ): <http://old.freeciv.org/windows/>; FreeCiv Tools & Toys: <http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/bdbryant/freeciv/>; Gaming Central [Archive] - Page 3 - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-93-p-3.html>; freeciv July 2000: <http://lists.complete.org/freeciv@freeciv.org/2000/07/index.html.gz>; OE Forums (2 more messages)
23:28 <DrJoeTron> im almost convinced that there are two tna's
23:29 <wrtlprnft> track their IPs?
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23:29 <DrJoeTron> its on aim
23:29 <DrJoeTron> :/
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23:47 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: nah, what I did last night was use unison to synchronize a couple of directories on my laptop to my server
23:48 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:48 * Lucifer_arma is questioning the usefulness of backing up all of /var now
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> and they're right, unison is very fast after the first sync, and you're safe to put it in a cronjob after that
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <spidey> my uncle wants me to drive his car back
23:50 <DrJoeTron> WOW
23:50 <DrJoeTron> DRIVING A CAR!?
23:50 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:50 <DrJoeTron> :p
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> what's a car?
23:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:50 <DrJoeTron> oh god
23:51 <DrJoeTron> now i cant help but think HYDROOOO THUNDER!!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> TIME EXTENDED!
23:51 <DrJoeTron> YOUR CRAZY!
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> rdiff-backup is also very fast after the first run, the damn first runs are killing me, though
23:53 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:53 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:54 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i don't have a license
23:54 <DrJoeTron> go get one
23:54 <spidey> so if i get busted there goes my chance of getting one till i'm about 21 :p
23:54 <Your_mom_arma> you could pull the car there
23:54 <DrJoeTron> hope ya dont drive like a shmuck "D
23:54 <spidey> if it was around here sure
23:55 <spidey> maybe even from town
23:55 <spidey> but the car is 40 miles away
23:55 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:55 <spidey> -_-
23:55 <spidey> no we're taking me grandmas car to get his
23:55 <spidey> but noone to drive his home
23:55 <spidey> so he wants me to
23:56 <spidey> fuck it,if i get caught i'm blaming mom :p
23:56 <spidey> bbl
23:56 <Your_mom_arma> i still think you could pull it home, its just a question of time
23:56 <spidey> no
23:57 <spidey> we don't have a towbar
23:57 <spidey> and using chains is illegal
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> no i mean oul it by yourself, no mechanical help
23:57 <Your_mom_arma> pull*
23:57 <spidey> you mean push?
23:57 <spidey> as in walk behind it
23:58 <spidey> cause you're crazy if you do :p
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> well then you'ld need someone to steer
23:58 <spidey> haha
23:58 <spidey> you mean
23:58 <spidey> 1 car pull it?
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
23:58 <spidey> or use a trailor
23:58 <spidey> well we don't have a towbar
23:58 <spidey> so we can't
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> i mean pull the car 40 miles with your hands
23:59 <spidey> oh hell no
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> its good exercise
23:59 <spidey> i'll give you $5 to do it ;x
23:59 <spidey> anyways bbl
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00:00 <DrJoeTron> pull it
00:00 <DrJoeTron> with teeth
00:00 <DrJoeTron> be aMAN
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> that one guy pulled a 747
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hard if you're in good shape
00:07 <DrJoeTron> how much longer you think we are going to keep bar codes?
00:07 <Your_mom_arma> 37 more years(mainstream)?
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> why?
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's closer to 24 years, 6 months, 12 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 15 seconds
00:10 <Your_mom_arma> i suppose it dependsLarge factories might get rid of it sooner then smaller factories
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00:10 <Your_mom_arma> probobly by several years
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> I dunno. Seems like large factories would keep them longer than smaller factories
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's not exactly easy to switch to something else. bar codes are on everything.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got backups in place now, and the thing clears out backups older than a week.
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> so as long as my backup partition is big enough to hold a week of backups, then I'm fine until I build my backup server. :)
00:12 <Your_mom_arma> large factories could afford newer technology like rfid tags, only need 1 for a crate of 500 products
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but factories use bar codes internally as well, to track the progress of each item
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> shipping yards?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> so you take a hunk of metal and slap a barcode on it, then you can track it all the way until it becomes a disk brake caliper
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> no, manufacturers
00:13 * Lucifer_arma used to have a client that sold bar code technology, had to learn a lot more about it than I cared to know
00:14 <Your_mom_arma> im not exactly sure what we would replace them with.
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> so to move away from bar codes, they'll have to spend a lot more money than a smaller factory because they have all sorts of gear internally to replace
00:15 <Your_mom_arma> are we talking magnetic strips a dot code system etc?
00:15 <DrJoeTron> probably microchip of some sort
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not afraid of rfid tags. The danger in them isn't inherent to the technology, it's inherent in our "free" society
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> "If you've got nothing to hide, then why do you need privacy?"
00:16 <DrJoeTron> because i do infact have something to hide :p
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> then you're a criminal and need to be found out by the law!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> you cant stop me!
00:17 <DrJoeTron> ive ripped all of the bar codes off!@
00:17 <DrJoeTron> my scannerz toys wont work anymore
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> quick make an aluminum foil hat
00:17 <Your_mom_arma> wouldnt that make it easier to controll someone anyways
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> it would act like an antenna
00:18 <Your_mom_arma> what we need is a copper grid
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, it reflects microwaves, that's why you don't put foil in the microwave oven
00:18 <DrJoeTron> but putting in cd's
00:18 <DrJoeTron> fun stuff
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> so if they wanted to cook your brain, you're safe, the microwaves just bounce right off
00:18 <DrJoeTron> especially when it isnt your microwve
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> it would be easier to just put the mind control stuff in the water supply
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> nah, then you're in trouble if somebody figures it out
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's easier to just do what they do
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> convince parents to get their kids evaluated by a shrink, then put them on mind-control drugs
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> do it with the will of their parents and raise them to know nothing else, and you're safe
00:21 <DrJoeTron> water pumps arent guarded very well
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, wiki's going down again, sorry
00:22 <DrJoeTron> well i some how deleted the My computer icon
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> need to reboot to get a partition remounted that can't be remounted on a running system
00:24 <Your_mom_arma> how'd you manage that joe?
00:24 <Compn1> DrJoeTron : tweakui can remove/add that icon back i think
00:24 <Compn1> or its generated when windows starts
00:24 <DrJoeTron> was deleting pictures off my camera
00:24 <Compn1> either way
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i hit delete
00:25 <DrJoeTron> nah its cool,
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i just put a shortcut in
00:25 <DrJoeTron> still made me go "god damn it"
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:26 <Your_mom_arma> #list alias
00:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
00:27 <DrJoeTron> #list
00:27 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> #message guru3 offensive spam http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83041#83041
00:27 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:28 <DrJoeTron> Well i have been searching for mutant dicks
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #CyborgName DrJoeTron
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #help CyborgName
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no command "cyborgname".
00:31 <Your_mom_arma> #list
00:31 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
00:32 * Your_mom_arma shrugs shoulders
00:32 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:56 <Vanhayes> #help freshmeat
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: (freshmeat <project name>) -- Returns Freshmeat data about a given project.
00:56 <Vanhayes> #list babelfish
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: babelize, language list, language random, and translate
00:56 <Vanhayes> #language list
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Portuguese, German, Spanish, Chinese_Traditional, Japanese, French, Greek, Dutch, English, Russian, Korean, Chinese_Simple, and Italian
00:57 <Vanhayes> #translate hello to chinese_simple
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
00:58 <Vanhayes> #translate english to chinese_simple hello
00:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: '\x00\x00'
00:58 <Vanhayes> heh
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02:24 <Lucifer_arma> These two questions are inherently related and apparently not answered here. This is likely due to the fact that it's asked so much that we're busy answering it for someone else right this minute.
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> ?
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> just browsing the faq is all. wanted to see if somebody had actually answered that question, and apparently nobody did. Or rather, it got a partial answer at some point.
02:28 <luke-jr_> freeciv is too hard :|
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--- Log opened Mon Aug 14 09:03:49 2006
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09:03 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
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09:04 <GodTodd> can you change nicks?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, at least, not after logging in I don't
09:04 <luke-jr_> spidey: something ending in 5 =p
09:04 <spidey> o.o
09:05 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:05 <GodTodd> 5565 i think it was
09:05 <spidey> ok so tell me how i load the master server list :p
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> press Master Metaserver
09:05 <GodTodd> yep
09:05 <spidey> i don't have that
09:05 <spidey> i see
09:05 <spidey> metaserver
09:05 <spidey> then a "update" button,but it doesn't list servers
09:07 <luke-jr_> pubserver.freeciv.org 5565
09:07 <luke-jr_> just connect
09:07 * luke-jr_ tired of waiting -.-
09:07 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:07 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:07 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> why does spidey always have to be the one that can't find shit?
09:07 <luke-jr_> cuz he's the windozeluser -.-
09:07 <GodTodd> heh
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd's a windows user too
09:07 <GodTodd> ummm im on win...and im in
09:07 <GodTodd> :P
09:07 <spidey> GodTodd uses windows to
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> that just means "no excuses for you"
09:08 <spidey> it won't let me connect -_-
09:08 <spidey> i get this
09:08 <spidey> Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:08 <spidey> Client capability string: +2.1c
09:08 <spidey> Server capability string: +2.0 conn_ping_info username_info new_hack
09:08 <spidey> Lost connection to server!
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> did you get it?
09:08 <luke-jr_> oh well
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, hang on a sec
09:08 <spidey> i downloaded it off the site -_-
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I looked at the window again and don't see it. Maybe you have a firewall problem?
09:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: 2.1 is too new
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> 2.08 and 2.10b2 clients aren't compatible
09:10 <spidey> see
09:10 <spidey> i get that to
09:10 <spidey> :p
09:10 <spidey> [02:09] ( spidey ) Server version: 2.0.8 Client version: 2.1.0-beta2. Upgrading may help!
09:10 <luke-jr_> lol
09:10 <luke-jr_> downgrade
09:10 <luke-jr_> you need 2.0.8
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> <clefs> ah tell him to get 2.08
09:10 <spidey> -_-
09:11 <luke-jr_> spidey: hurry up
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> who hasn't pressed start?
09:13 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd
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09:38 <wrtlprnft> something's borked with this computer since the last restart :(
09:38 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:38 <armabot> pong
09:38 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'm still connected
09:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:45 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human || intelligence long enough to get money from it.
09:46 <wrtlprnft> huh?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> armabot is there, but i can't reach my server
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sshd down?
09:46 <wrtlprnft> something...
09:47 <wrtlprnft> httpd down too, it seems
09:47 <wrtlprnft> #ping
09:47 <armabot> pong
09:47 <wrtlprnft> no, httpd is there
09:47 <wrtlprnft> just slow
09:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wow.... i'm on a channel where there was no talking for >20 hours
09:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> until i said "morning"
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and now it seems like i'm the only one alive in there ><
09:50 <wrtlprnft> wake everyone?
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
09:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like my server and everything is running
09:51 <wrtlprnft> I just can't access it from inside my network
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0o
09:51 <wrtlprnft> that explains why armabot works
09:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if i couldn't access my server from the network i couldn't reach the inet either ><
09:52 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a router that does NAT, and i don't use a proxy or anything
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i have my server that is the router that does nat
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i had a dlink router b4
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but it sucks
09:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i decided to use the server as a router
10:00 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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10:01 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:02 <wrtlprnft> #ping
10:02 <armabot> pong
10:02 <wrtlprnft> ...
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10:55 <wrtlprnft> argh
10:55 <wrtlprnft> that's why i couldn't reach anything on my local network
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> well, i have a wlan and a normal port
10:56 <wrtlprnft> and i had the normal port started, but no cable in it
10:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
10:56 <wrtlprnft> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2000 0 0 eth1
10:56 <wrtlprnft> loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
10:56 <wrtlprnft> default router 0.0.0.0 UG 2000 0 0 eth1
10:57 <wrtlprnft> the first one was the one used for internal addresses, but it was using eth0, which had no cable connected to it
11:06 <spidey> -_-
11:07 <spidey> i no longer like that game :(
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11:17 <wrtlprnft> hi there eddiefantastic
11:33 <eddiefantastic> hello
11:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh, I think my sprinkler's been running all night
12:04 <spidey> #night
12:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:34 <wrtlprnft> #ping
13:35 <armabot> pong
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> installing win xp in vmware
14:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
16:28 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic:
16:28 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig wingmen
16:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. (default: 2.2029) || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team. (default: 2.75362)
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17:51 * DrJoeTron is tired from sleeping badly
17:51 <wrtlprnft> sleep more?
17:51 <DrJoeTron> nah wont work
17:51 <DrJoeTron> everyone else is up
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18:53 <ghableska> hello
18:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
19:14 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
19:15 <ghableska> hey Vanhayes
19:15 * luke-jr_ was up too late playing FreeCiv w/ spidey, Lucifer_arma and GodTodd
19:16 <ghableska> :P
19:16 <ghableska> how late?
19:16 <luke-jr_> 4 am
19:16 <ghableska> O_o
19:16 <luke-jr_> lol
19:17 <luke-jr_> FreeCiv games take at least as long as Monopoly
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is early for me...
19:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if you haven't slept yet?
19:17 <wrtlprnft> 4am is the time you stand up early :P
19:19 <luke-jr_> me = Japanese
19:19 <luke-jr_> GodTodd = Americans
19:19 <luke-jr_> spidey = Russians
19:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma = I forget
19:20 <wrtlprnft> must be a big map...
19:20 <luke-jr_> not too big
19:20 <luke-jr_> too much water
19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I was the VIkings
19:21 <luke-jr_> just cuz the sea was so wide
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> until I cut out and went to bed :)
19:21 <luke-jr_> ah, yes
19:21 <luke-jr_> I got tired too
19:21 <luke-jr_> and turned on everyone
19:21 <luke-jr_> and then I started winning -.-
19:21 <Lucifer_arma> I had a pretty good civilization building until I decided to help my friends, form alliances, and tax the shit out of my people
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the tax rate cut my scientific development, but when the aussies arrived we were pretty close in development
19:23 <wrtlprnft> so what have vikings to do with WWII now?
19:23 <Lucifer_arma> it was FreeCiv, not a wwii game
19:24 <wrtlprnft> 19:20 <luke-jr_> half of my ships attacking Hitler sank
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> one of the guys playing was German, and the game picked Hitler for his name (and he didn't change it, only a couple of us changed our names)
19:24 <luke-jr_> 1. Hitler signed a peace treaty with me
19:24 <luke-jr_> 2. Hitler attacked spidey
19:24 <luke-jr_> 3. Hitler decided our treaty was mere paper
19:24 <Lucifer_arma> but spidey wasn't the Poles :)
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> the guy playing hitler left for awhile, then came back
19:25 <luke-jr_> so it was spidey and I vs Hitler
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler got psycho after he left
19:25 <luke-jr_> Luci came to help out
19:25 <luke-jr_> then Hitler wiped out spidey
19:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I would've attacked Germany straight on if I wasn't in that corner. :) But I subverted Tokyo anyway after he took it from you.
19:25 <luke-jr_> and then he got Tokyo
19:26 <luke-jr_> and my people rebelled and started a new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> spidey took over the new country
19:26 <luke-jr_> then I got tired and the fun began
19:26 <luke-jr_> I cancelled all my treaties
19:26 <Lucifer_arma> literally a couple of turns before my invasion force landed. I was going to give you one old city for every two that I took, figuring I could keep half as payment for helping :)
19:27 <luke-jr_> spidey requested a new peace treaty, and I made him giving me a city a condition
19:27 <luke-jr_> then after I had the city, I cancelled that too
19:27 <luke-jr_> heh
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh. That's probably when spidey hit me up for a treaty, and all I would give him was "peace"
19:27 <Lucifer_arma> I rejected his alliance proposal, he spent most of the game talking about "when I attack Luci"
19:27 <luke-jr_> lol
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> after Germany took Tokyo from me, I went and demanded a bunch of shit from them
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> I had a decent-sized invasion force about to land. :) He didn't back down, though
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> so I landed my invasion
19:28 <Lucifer_arma> they were wiped within seconds. :(
19:28 <luke-jr_> lol
19:29 <luke-jr_> shoulda took the crap and wiped em out anyway
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> ? no, my invasion force was wiped out
19:29 <luke-jr_> o
19:29 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he had musketeers and my invasion force was built on catapults. I had science to obsolete it by the time it attacked, but I was still a republic, that shit was expensive!
19:30 <luke-jr_> as my troops gained on spidey's last city, he popped up a peace treaty request ;)
19:30 <Lucifer_arma> here I was, working on steam and still attacking with catapults. I focused on mostly peaceful technology because the route to a space ship is mostly peaceful.
19:31 <luke-jr_> I focuses on nukes
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it was my first time playing in like 2 years, everything was different the game has progressed so much
19:31 <luke-jr_> heh
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> there wasn't "auto settler" and "auto explorer" the last time I played
19:31 <luke-jr_> autoexplore is NICE
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> I spent more time wrestling with the UI on my turns than actually planning
19:31 <luke-jr_> I just send my explorers off exploring ;)
19:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's all nice. Get it to a point, then go smoke a cigarette
19:31 <luke-jr_> lol
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I did too, and I focused on shipbuilding at first so I could keep exploring
19:32 <luke-jr_> me too
19:32 <luke-jr_> after I remembered to set a goal
19:32 <luke-jr_> what idiot defaults it to Mysticism?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had fun, though. It was a lot of fun. They've really got the game in pretty good shape now.
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, you need temples pretty early
19:32 <luke-jr_> yeah
19:32 <luke-jr_> oh?
19:32 <Lucifer_arma> I had cities going into revolt because I didn't have temples
19:32 <luke-jr_> I never have any temples
19:33 <luke-jr_> I just use the "very happy" manage option
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> small cities? Mine were growing pretty quickly.
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, but that's not the most productive one, is it? Wastes workers, being entertainers and crap.
19:33 <luke-jr_> I never even though of religion as making cities nicer
19:33 <luke-jr_> until you mentioned it
19:33 <luke-jr_> then my goal went to Monotheism =p
19:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm also basically a civ1 player, too, not a civ2 player.
19:34 <luke-jr_> I've never played either
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> ah. I played civ1 back on the Amiga. :)
19:34 <luke-jr_> sounds old ;p
19:34 <Lucifer_arma> it is.
19:34 <luke-jr_> was it on FD0: or PC0: ? =p
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> um, amiga put the d first and used lowercase. df0: df1: dh0: etc
19:35 <luke-jr_> oh, right DF0
19:35 <luke-jr_> but PC0 was PC0, IIRC
19:35 <luke-jr_> for floppies with FAT
19:35 <Lucifer_arma> could be, I don't recognize it.
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, didn't use fat on floppies, used amiga's FFS
19:36 <luke-jr_> ah
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyways, I try to avoid going to war until I have tanks
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> then I go to war and try to build nukes as quickly as possible
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> only time I ever found a different plan useful was against a really shitty ai
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> in which case I conquered half the map with catapults, and the other half with tanks
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah shit, I wanted to see what scenarios they had and wound up getting sucked in
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> pulled myself out, though! Gotta mow the lawn :)
19:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone still got an amiga?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I've got an amiga emulator...
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to have a real amiga
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> er, *had*, but I've got the roms for the kickstart still so I can download it and run it
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, you didn't ask "anyone used to have an amiga"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'd answer *that* with "I had an Amiga 500 with a 20MB hard drive yadayada"
19:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a 500 with hd?
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> external i guess
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it plugged into the bus on the left. It was a pain
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it was great, but it made placing the thing on the desk a pain :)
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my 1st amiga was a 2k
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
19:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "my"
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha. We went for the budget model. Well, that and my dad was somewhat married to the "all in one case" idea and didn't care for cards and slots and stuff
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> later i got a 4k
19:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and to play old games a 500
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I quit computing after that A500 for something like 7, 8 years
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that 500 died pretty soon
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sadly
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want to be a geek anymore, doncha know. The A600 and friends hadn't come out yet, the 3000 had barely come out
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the 4k did eventually aswell
19:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i wanna get a 4000T
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, the President and the top accountant took what they could and fled the country, leaving a bankrupted shell behind them
19:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy moving on. It was a nice computer, but it's pretty much obsolete now, and I managed to lose my interest in obsolete computers :)
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 5 of 6 computers i have are more or less obsoleted
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the sparc station is totally..
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> still having a 32 bit sparc cpu
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I am still very interested in the games for those old computers, but that's what emulators are for
19:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 1
19:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would you consider the sun ultra 10 obsoleted?
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, but I gotta go. bbiab
19:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye
20:47 <Lucifer_arma> #g 29/33
20:47 <armabot> 29 / 33 = 0.878787879
21:29 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-003-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
21:29 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
21:29 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
21:32 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
21:32 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:32 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:33 <ghableska> ?
21:33 <guru3> it's on the forums ><
21:34 <ghableska> okay
21:34 <TiTnAsS> sup tank
21:34 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: register your nick with nickserv to be sure :P
21:34 <TiTnAsS> wtf nickserv?
21:35 <TiTnAsS> not interested
21:35 <TiTnAsS> tank, any good servers goin now days?
21:35 <joda_bot> hi wrtlprnft
21:35 <wrtlprnft> hi joda_bot
21:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Anything important I should read ?
21:35 <wrtlprnft> you alive again?
21:36 <joda_bot> Been a bit out of touch
21:36 <wrtlprnft> umm, well, ph needs your team stuff :P
21:36 <joda_bot> Nah, not really alive, but able to spend sometime on coding / planning
21:36 <wrtlprnft> #seen ph*
21:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ph* could be philippeqc (2 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), phil (2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), philippeqc_ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 42 seconds ago), philippeqc__ (3 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), or ph (17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 22 seconds ago)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> well, I don't really know about the team stuff, just that it's needed for ph's zone stuff to be useful
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ie not force players to rename themselves to blue1, blue2, yellow1 etc
21:39 <joda_bot> Yeah, phillippe said he made a simple implementation to test it
21:39 <joda_bot> I'll have a look at it, and use the wiki to do some planning
21:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:39 <joda_bot> I might not be in IRC often, but I'll read my email and go online while working on it
21:41 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:41 <TiTnAsS> joda
21:41 <TiTnAsS> are you just "joda" from ingame?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> arma developing is kinda sleepy now
21:41 <wrtlprnft> joda.bot he is
21:41 <TiTnAsS> oh
21:41 <TiTnAsS> nvm then
21:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe he used to be just joda some time ago, before i was here :P
21:43 <Vanhayes> TiTnAsS: so were you ever in a clan called LOL?
21:43 <Vanhayes> or was that the imposter?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> it's a team x_X
21:43 <TiTnAsS> no
21:43 <TiTnAsS> i wasnt in "LOL"
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: yes
21:43 <TiTnAsS> that is the poser
21:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:43 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: I've not been yoda though
21:44 <Vanhayes> hmm have we ever talked before this?
21:44 <TiTnAsS> nope
21:44 <Vanhayes> wow
21:44 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-219-71.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
21:44 <ghableska> O_o
21:44 <TiTnAsS> hey your mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> <---real
21:44 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:44 <Your_mom_arma> hi
21:44 <Vanhayes> he has been impostering you for a couple months now then
21:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:44 <TiTnAsS> so ive heard
21:44 <TiTnAsS> thats why im here now
21:44 <joda_bot> hi Your_mom_arma
21:44 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I needed to talk to you, but now I don't remember why
21:44 <TiTnAsS> and theres proof of authenticicity at the forums
21:44 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:44 <TiTnAsS> your_mom
21:44 <TiTnAsS> wanna go play?
21:45 * Lucifer_arma thinks it says Really Good Things that the only thing TiTnAsS's poser friends have left to them is to impersonate people
21:45 <TiTnAsS> and what exactly is with the "_arma"?
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they can't rip-grind the server, can they?
21:45 <Your_mom_arma> which server?
21:45 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: probably because I'm late with working on arma ;)
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i can ^^
21:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:45 <TiTnAsS> i remember that bug
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: heh. I honestly don't remember what it was anymore, just that we were talking about something and you would have been Really Helpful to have around at tht time :)
21:46 <TiTnAsS> its nice and fixed correct?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: the _arma is because just Your_mom is already taken IIRC
21:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:46 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
21:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
21:46 <Lucifer_arma> same with Lucifer_arma. Lucifer was already taken. I had to do it in FreeCiv last night, too, because (you guessed it) Lucifer was already taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> ic
21:46 <TiTnAsS> im suprised TiTnAsS
21:46 <TiTnAsS> wasnt taken
21:46 <TiTnAsS> >.<
21:46 * joda_bot wonders what could require himself
21:46 <wrtlprnft> get unique nicks, guys!
21:47 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I chose "arma" was because the name is only mine here, and it's the only place I'm willing to lay claim to it
21:47 <Vanhayes> wow that log looks alot better now wrtlprnft
21:47 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: :)
21:47 <TiTnAsS> sigh..
21:47 <ghableska> organized :D
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> well now, who else would call themselves Lucifer_arma ?
21:47 <TiTnAsS> werent you guys gonna make
21:47 <TiTnAsS> login names
21:47 <TiTnAsS> a while back?
21:47 * Lucifer_arma is considering changing his regular ingame name to match his irc name
21:47 <TiTnAsS> posers are a pathetic thing - -;
21:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, luke-jr_ blocked it
21:48 * Lucifer_arma notes which crowd TiTnAsS used to belong to around here
21:48 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: luke-jr_ joined the discussion, so don't expect anyting to come out of it, ever
21:48 <TiTnAsS> sigh
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> how many of them are in jail now, anyway?
21:48 <TiTnAsS> yeah.. i remember luke
21:48 <TiTnAsS> he ALWAYS gave me
21:48 <TiTnAsS> shit
21:48 <TiTnAsS> about EVERY little thing
21:48 <TiTnAsS> just cuz im a bit slow -.-
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's really awesome that the porn spammers are spamming the World Servers forum :)
21:48 <joda_bot> perhaps we should code a hidden "DEV" flag into all clients ? ;)
21:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:49 <TiTnAsS> no clue what that means
21:49 <TiTnAsS> but, i vote you restart the login post thing
21:49 <TiTnAsS> and ban luke frmo posting
21:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:49 <wrtlprnft> maybe make a forum everyone can see but luke-jr_?
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I say we *force* TiTnAsS to *restart the login post thing*
21:49 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:49 <TiTnAsS> okay
21:49 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:49 <TiTnAsS> ill find and bump
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> this should be fun :)
21:49 <TiTnAsS> bump with the saying
21:49 <TiTnAsS> *IF LUKE POSTS
21:49 <wrtlprnft> banning luke-jr_ from posting won't help
21:50 <TiTnAsS> I WILL QUIT TRON FOREVER*
21:50 <wrtlprnft> he'll bitch in here
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or on the grid
21:50 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:50 <wrtlprnft> or with SVN commits
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> wouldn't be useful anyway
21:50 <TiTnAsS> brb
21:50 <TiTnAsS> what should i search for
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> hell Tit, with a promise like that, I'd encourage luke-jr_ to go post in it :)
21:50 <TiTnAsS> LOL
21:50 <Your_mom_arma> i guess he's going to quit tron forever then
21:50 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:50 * Lucifer_arma celebrates
21:50 <TiTnAsS> whats the name the of post
21:50 <TiTnAsS> remember?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> i can tell you the post luke-jr_'s gonna make
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> search for "authentication"
21:50 <wrtlprnft> From: Luke-Jr
21:50 <TiTnAsS> hey man, dont gimmi such a hard time, im JUST back ^^
21:50 <wrtlprnft> Text: ...
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> #g authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:50 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> er
21:51 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> #google authentication site:forums.armagetronad.net
21:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.27 seconds: Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=81331>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Per-Server authentication: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3403&sid=73475880358d09e8a69dd61ac0905608>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - XMPP Authentication: (3 more messages)
21:51 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, click one
21:51 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> the 2nd one is started by luke-jr_
21:51 <TiTnAsS> thats..weird
21:51 <wrtlprnft> so i'd ignore that
21:51 <wrtlprnft> #f
21:51 <armabot> Random Fortune: "Please don't hit me! I'm brittle!" || --Zoidberg
21:51 <joda_bot> Anything important Luke did ?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: yeah, number of axes != 4
21:52 <wrtlprnft> and video output (which noone uses anyways)
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, he blocked all work on authentication in favor of a pretty complex non-existant system that is inarguably superior to what we were working on
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> with one minor problem, of course.
21:52 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=83181#83181
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't exist
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> we should just rip the code out of FreeCiv
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the "making it exist" part is an implementation detail
21:53 <joda_bot> eh, is Luke part of the trium ...
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> a minor one, isn't it?
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: no :)
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no
21:53 <TiTnAsS> trium?
21:53 <joda_bot> so what's the issue ?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: he's gonna bitch without end?
21:53 <TiTnAsS> who cares
21:53 <TiTnAsS> just skip his posts
21:53 <TiTnAsS> dont even read em
21:53 <TiTnAsS> thats what i used to do
21:54 <wrtlprnft> and he's just doing something useful with tValue, if still way too weird
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, come right down to it, the only people that were working on it were me and Tank, and we both lost interest as a result of the longest, most tedious discussion on the subject ever
21:54 <TiTnAsS> unless they were flame directed tword me
21:54 <TiTnAsS> then id argue back of course
21:54 <TiTnAsS> ^^
21:54 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: bump the thread on binary resources too
21:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing came out of that either
21:54 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: Perhaps the approach should be VERY simple
21:54 <TiTnAsS> just search for binary resources?
21:54 <TiTnAsS> o.O
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, "sound engine that I can just work on" vs "authentication I'm going to have to fight for". Which would you pick to work on?
21:55 <TiTnAsS> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=5351&sid=519e6d1ebc9eae51fbd5c47cbcb15920
21:55 <TiTnAsS> right?
21:55 <joda_bot> and see how that works, with only server based authentification from a text "file" / database
21:55 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: no
21:55 <TiTnAsS> argh
21:55 <TiTnAsS> lol
21:55 <TiTnAsS> hodl on
21:55 <TiTnAsS> misread
21:55 <joda_bot> We could learn from that , and then approach something more sophricated
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I thought we should go ahead and finish out what's there for md5 stuff *knowing* it wouldn't be secure so we could start addressing the social issues and a lot of backend issues and let luke or whoever rewrite the actual authentication part
21:56 <joda_bot> while still allowing ppl to use a simple protection later ( if we want that )
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we can put a lot of Really Useful Stuff in place that we need anyway with authentication with shitty authentication, same way philippe did his team zone hack while waiting for joda to fill in the blanks
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm technically working on my back yard, bbiab
21:56 <joda_bot> If the concept is complicated players it will be difficult to convince players
21:56 <wrtlprnft> yep
21:56 <joda_bot> if it's easy as "login" / password they'll probably understand it
21:57 <joda_bot> just my 2 cent ;)
21:57 <[dlh]> no, they will need to fill in a 100 line xml file. :o
21:57 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3378&highlight=
21:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: just my saying
21:57 <wrtlprnft> who cares if it's perfectly safe
21:58 <joda_bot> well, it should be reasonably safe in the range of it's concept
21:58 <joda_bot> but it hasn't to be from start
21:58 <joda_bot> that's what development versions are for
21:59 <Your_mom_arma> only a 50 line 80 char per line manually typed password in a .txt for each server you want to play
21:59 <TiTnAsS> btw
21:59 <TiTnAsS> why am i bumping this one?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> because luke-jr_ ruined it too
21:59 <wrtlprnft> alternatively bump this one http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3023&highlight=browser+resource
22:00 <wrtlprnft> the first one was just my attempt on bumping it
22:00 <TiTnAsS> god damn
22:00 <TiTnAsS> the forum keeps
22:00 <TiTnAsS> freezing
22:00 <TiTnAsS> with the background only
22:00 <TiTnAsS> and its pissing me off
22:00 <[dlh]> I think IRC lets you type more than 4 words per line, too ;)
22:01 <TiTnAsS> i cant get to edit - -; it keeps freezing
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> I
22:01 <wrtlprnft> never
22:01 <wrtlprnft> knew
22:01 <wrtlprnft> that
22:01 <[dlh]> yes,
22:01 <wrtlprnft> is
22:01 <[dlh]> really
22:01 <wrtlprnft> it
22:01 <wrtlprnft> really
22:01 <[dlh]> interesting
22:01 <wrtlprnft> true?
22:01 <ghableska> O_o
22:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:02 <TiTnAsS> does anyone else have this forum freezing problem
22:02 <ghableska> nah
22:02 <TiTnAsS> or is it just me - -;
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> try deleating your cookies and clearing your cache
22:02 <Your_mom_arma> spelling*
22:03 <joda_bot> and stop using your 286 machine ;)
22:03 <joda_bot> perhaps firefox does help ?
22:03 <TiTnAsS> this be my new 4000$ dell
22:03 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:03 <TiTnAsS> and im running firefox
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> blame the liberal media
22:04 <TiTnAsS> and i delete my cookies and clear my cache every few days
22:04 <ghableska> 4000?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:04 <ghableska> wow
22:04 <TiTnAsS> ye
22:04 <TiTnAsS> its fast
22:04 <ghableska> xps?
22:04 <TiTnAsS> i got it as a gift
22:04 <TiTnAsS> yup
22:04 <TiTnAsS> gift for helping take care of a close dying friend
22:04 <ghableska> ah
22:04 <Your_mom_arma> sell it and go crazy at a penny candy store
22:04 <[dlh]> heh
22:04 <ghableska> haha
22:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:06 <TiTnAsS> i can dl porn at a whole new speed now!!
22:06 <TiTnAsS> ^^
22:06 <wrtlprnft> ah, that's how you got to play arma?
22:07 <ghableska> :P
22:07 <TiTnAsS> o.O
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what to do on an alsa buffer underrun?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i couldnt get porn on my old comp
22:07 <TiTnAsS> it was to slow
22:07 <TiTnAsS> so now that i have porn
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i dont need tron
22:07 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: use a bigger buffer ;)
22:07 <TiTnAsS> ^^ lol
22:07 <wrtlprnft> so you got this stupid game instead?
22:07 <TiTnAsS> yup yup
22:07 <TiTnAsS> nah jk
22:07 <TiTnAsS> tron=fun
22:07 <TiTnAsS> i just havnt had time
22:07 <TiTnAsS> with studys
22:07 <TiTnAsS> and stuff
22:08 <joda_bot> TiTnAsS: sound like you got your prioties right
22:08 <TiTnAsS> heh
22:08 <TiTnAsS> porn and school
22:08 <TiTnAsS> top of my list
22:08 <TiTnAsS> (jk about the porn thing of course - -;)
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, when you get right down to it, what are we protecting anyway? Credit card information? Tax returns submitted electronically?
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> none of that, sadly. Just player stats and name on some niche internet game.
22:11 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld be happy with just a password per server kind of deal, most of the code for that is already written iirc
22:12 <joda_bot> if anyone implements it, be sure to cover some social stuff (like prevent a IP to register more than one nick per day)
22:12 <joda_bot> even dayly might flood a server on the long run ;)
22:13 <wrtlprnft> one important thing: the server shouldn't get the IP, ever
22:13 <wrtlprnft> err
22:13 <wrtlprnft> the plain password
22:14 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the initial development implementation might do it that way, and you can improve it to your needs ;)
22:14 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871F43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
22:15 <wrtlprnft> #seen z-man
22:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: z-man was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 29 seconds ago: <z-man> Team UK is missign players!
22:15 <wrtlprnft> welcome back i guess
22:15 <z-man> Gee, can't one get a little privacy sometimes? :)
22:15 <Your_mom_arma> #seen z-man_
22:15 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: I have not seen z-man_.
22:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: BS, I didn't block any such thing
22:15 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:16 <luke-jr_> he's blaming me that XMPP isn't integrated yet
22:16 <Your_mom_arma> about authentication system
22:16 <wrtlprnft> you aren't blocking it, just bloating it with requirements until noone can satisfy them
22:16 <wrtlprnft> and usuability from the user side seems to be way down on the list :(
22:17 <luke-jr_> nah
22:17 * z-man remembers why he didn't pop in here
22:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, you did block it :)
22:17 <luke-jr_> did not
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> did so times infinity plus 1
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, I was literally working on what we had, and you said "this is stupid" and then volunteered to write a new, better system
22:18 * wrtlprnft is watching everyone scare z-man away again
22:18 <z-man> define block? I thought luke was pushing XMPP?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> so I stopped, no need for us to duplicate each other's work, right?
22:18 <Your_mom_arma> i thought that was what irc was for, scaring away z-man
22:19 <z-man> then it would be called saz.
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> well played sir
22:19 <luke-jr_> Since nobody else here seems to be doing much advancing, I have a to-do list of complex tasks
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:19 * Lucifer_arma doesn't think authentication ever made it onto luke's todo list
22:19 <luke-jr_> (not that bug fix style progress is irrelevant)
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm progressing on my lunch
22:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, nothing is happening since everything advancing one can do is on luke-jr_'s todo list
22:20 <luke-jr_> right now, the todo list is to finish the parser, DTC, and then XMPP integration
22:20 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is DTC
22:20 <luke-jr_> if someone else wants to take one, go ahead
22:20 <wrtlprnft> argh, i unloaded the unix plugin
22:20 <Your_mom_arma> whats phillip been adding to the new zone version, anyone know?
22:20 <luke-jr_> DCT*
22:20 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: IIRC, it's in the wiki
22:21 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Your_mom_arma put it onto the wiki
22:21 <Your_mom_arma> well i mean recently
22:21 <luke-jr_> heh
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, that's probably 6 months of coding time for him
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, he might finish sooner
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious to see if he finishes before I finish the sound engine. :) I suspect he'll win that race.
22:22 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: he can probably add more once I've advanced my work ;)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> no code is ever finished
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see groundpig help him with that but it seems the time zone difference prevents that
22:23 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: he added some stuff about moving zones using mathexpr
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> well at least instintaneous communications
22:23 <wrtlprnft> like, a zone moving in circles
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the main thing preventing it is that neither of them think their work is relevant to the other :/
22:23 <joda_bot> I don't know what groundpig is interested in or how he behaved on forums, but I don't mind to garant him SVN access
22:24 <joda_bot> but it's not my decision ;)
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> you could bump that thread if you'd like :)
22:24 <joda_bot> I won't start bumping around ;)
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> #seen groundpig
22:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: groundpig was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <groundpig> thanks!
22:25 * wrtlprnft watches TiTnAsS quitting tron forever
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> actually, luke's right in the resource thread, that is already settled. Luke being a loud minority doesn't really change the consensus, unless you define consensus differently than I define it :)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> well, nothing's done yet
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to burn that bridge with soundpacks, and a lot of work on the resource system is at the top of my to-do list because the whole rest of the sound engine currently depends on it
22:27 <luke-jr_> internet resource fetching already works fine, the only thing missing is resource archives and the only thing it needs is code, not talk
22:27 <wrtlprnft> and i don't feel like reading two long old threads to implement it
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've been taking what's reputedly the hardest calc class in the shortest semester
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> and, uh, that's why we moved the spec to the wiki. What's on the wiki is what needs to be used during implementation
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: more or less, we need a program that you give a resource filepath, and it fetches that and all it depends on into a ZIP
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and then we need something to install the ZIPs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no external programs
22:28 <wrtlprnft> no windows user will be able to use them if they are CLI
22:28 <wrtlprnft> or at least very few
22:28 <luke-jr_> so make it GUI
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> the naming is also pretty obvious. The xml file reads "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml". The zip file would be "somethingorother-0.0.1.aacockpit"
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that's lotsa work
22:29 <luke-jr_> I don't expect many people want to make resource packs from the game itself
22:29 <luke-jr_> no it's not
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> we start with a CLI app and then write a gui program that wraps it, same way nemo did the Mac OS X recorder helper app
22:29 * luke-jr_ nods
22:30 * spidey yawns
22:30 <luke-jr_> XMPP and DCT are much larger projects
22:30 <wrtlprnft> not THAT guy again
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> i mean, I really *really* hate saying this, but luke's right. Resource system is just waiting for someone to work on it, and my final is tomorrow. THen I have to do some work-work for the rest of the week
22:30 <luke-jr_> res packs are nothing
22:31 <wrtlprnft> UTF-8 needs to be done too, but noone has shown any interest in my branch
22:31 <luke-jr_> doesn't your branch work? why not merge it?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't work.
22:31 <luke-jr_> O.o
22:32 <luke-jr_> it's just an encoding change, right?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> it can output UTF-8 as a font
22:32 <z-man> I didn't know there was a branch for utf-8.
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zmannnnn
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BB95B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:32 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: So distributable zipped, drop in directory resource packs (aka zips) which don't have to extracted are dropped ?
22:32 * luke-jr_ also notes wrtlprnft's branch is still in private
22:32 <wrtlprnft> but it still has to do network translation (for older servers/clients)
22:32 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the installer part extracts them
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and input translation
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: what do you mean?
22:32 <TiTnAsS> zman, you here?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: you'd need to wake him...
22:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that might be a problem for Windows/OS X
22:32 <z-man> err, I just said something, so I am there.
22:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: depending on implementation, anyway
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> the way I figure it, you can download a pack automatically, you can download a pack and unzip it by hand and copy it into your cache, etc.
22:33 <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a branch in my private dir
22:33 <z-man> I assumed that now, yes :)
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how can you be there if you're here?
22:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: automatically?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> which basically changes the font system to expect utf-8
22:33 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: yeah, you know, the automatic download system we've got already?
22:34 <TiTnAsS> /goes back to sleep
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and borks everything up as it doesn't receive utf-8
22:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: maybe move it out of private?
22:34 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: I'm not that small red monster :)
22:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's not packaging, tho
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not
22:34 <luke-jr_> and that works
22:34 <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BADCB.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does
22:34 <luke-jr_> <z-man> TiTnAsS: you should unignore me if you want to talk to me
22:35 <z-man> thanks :)
22:35 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ basically anwered my question, so there are no zipped resource files which are transparently mapped into the resource cache
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> but whether that's packaging or not and whether it works or not isn't relevant, that the system will be used to download zipped resources is pretty obvious :)
22:35 <TiTnAsS> " Nothing here left to discuss. Though someone could certainly work on resource archives."
22:35 <TiTnAsS> thats not what everyone else here thinks
22:35 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:35 <joda_bot> that perhaps can be done later, though to safe some disk space
22:35 <TiTnAsS> they told me to bump it up while i bumped the authentification one up
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: actually, he answered it with his interpretation. Fact is, the person who implements it is going to make the call and we'll live with it.
22:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: zipped would only be manually distributed stuff
22:36 <luke-jr_> no need for it in the automatic setup
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: why?
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> says who?
22:36 <luke-jr_> ZIP doesn't work with it properly
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> give me a whole bunch of use cases
22:36 <luke-jr_> and standard HTTP compression uses gzip or bzip2
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ZIP doesn't *need* to work with the downloader
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> all the downloader does is ask for a file from a server, that's all it does
22:36 <TiTnAsS> and luke-jr, i never "ignored" you in the first place.. o.o
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's all it ever will do, afaic
22:37 * z-man is doing the dishes
22:37 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it does, since ZIP holds a subset of the path...
22:37 <TiTnAsS> rofl zman
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, the path to the zip is the path to the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the zip *is* the resource
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the resource is the zip!
22:37 <luke-jr_> or are we talking just about multi-file resources now?
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're talking aobut one file resources. :)
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> one ZIP file resources
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> with many components
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:38 <luke-jr_> ZIP contains files
22:38 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6078 / (armagetronad/branches/utf8/ private/wrtlprnft/utf8/): Moved the branch out of my private dir into the main brances dir to make it more visible to others
22:38 * Lucifer_arma is off to work on his back yard some more, bbiab
22:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: z-man: happy now?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> this branch was created on revision 4827...
22:38 <luke-jr_> anyway, multi-file ("component") resources are already spec'd out
22:39 <TiTnAsS> .
22:40 <DrJoeTron> it's an imposter
22:40 <luke-jr_> lol
22:40 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: What was the problem with them in the spec ?
22:40 <luke-jr_> anyway
22:41 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: there was no problem, we just haven't used them yet
22:41 <TiTnAsS> whos an imposter?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> me
22:41 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: quake x uses a similiar concept
22:41 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:41 <luke-jr_> anyone want to play FreeCiv?
22:41 <TiTnAsS> <--NOT an imposter
22:41 * wrtlprnft is a noob on freeciv
22:41 * luke-jr_ too
22:41 * TiTnAsS doesnt know wtf freeciv is
22:41 <wrtlprnft> you'd need to tell me how :P
22:41 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: google
22:42 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: if I know how
22:42 <TiTnAsS> nty
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia freeciv
22:42 <joda_bot> quake looks in subfolders and if there is no file in the subfolders, it starts searching the filetables of all the pk3 files it indexed at startup
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.52 seconds: Freeciv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv>; User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Www.wikinerds.org/Bullying>; User:Qwm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwm>; Category:GPL images - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
22:42 <joda_bot> which are zip files
22:42 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: seems faster to just extract them once when installed
22:42 <joda_bot> if a match is found inside a zip file (which have the same layout) as the default file system, then the file from the first zip file (in alphabetical order) is used
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: no ;)
22:43 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: It gets pretty easy to install / uninstall a moviepack or other "grouped" resources that way
22:43 <luke-jr_> only if you know how to use the filesystem
22:43 * TiTnAsS goes back to playing wc3 - -;
22:44 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: the ZIPs would be renamed, and use the game to install
22:44 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: sure, but that's easy enough for most ppl and one might still code a gui to use it
22:44 <DrJoeTron> this kid keeps trying to be my friend
22:44 <luke-jr_> the game would extract them and such
22:44 <TiTnAsS> joe
22:44 <TiTnAsS> who?
22:44 <DrJoeTron> the shit head tit kid
22:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: so how do i play that game?
22:44 <TiTnAsS> lol
22:44 <TiTnAsS> shit head tit kid
22:44 <TiTnAsS> rofl
22:44 <TiTnAsS> whats his aim
22:45 * wrtlprnft started civclient
22:45 <TiTnAsS> i want to talk to him
22:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you tell your units what to do
22:45 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16
22:45 <spidey> luke-jr_ wanna play again? ;x
22:45 <luke-jr_> spidey: sure, if others are up to it
22:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma?
22:45 <spidey> GodTodd?
22:45 <spidey> O.o
22:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what server do i connect to, for a start
22:46 <TiTnAsS> talking to him now
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: pick any empty one I guess
22:46 <TiTnAsS> ill copy paste the convo to you in aim
22:46 <TiTnAsS> if you want
22:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: meet you there
22:46 <TiTnAsS> after
22:46 <wrtlprnft> umm, logged in
22:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:47 <luke-jr_> 5563?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> aouch
22:47 <luke-jr_> ...
22:47 <wrtlprnft> sorry
22:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: coming?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey:
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey spidey
22:51 <spidey> -_-
22:52 <joda_bot> cu later
22:52 <joda_bot> gn8
22:52 <joda_bot> #gn8
22:52 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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22:53 <Your_mom_arma> what game?
22:53 <spidey> luke-jr_ fix it -_-
22:53 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> i'm there
22:55 <spidey> Your_mom_armam freeciv
22:55 <spidey> wejp you're not
22:55 <luke-jr_> port 5561
22:55 <luke-jr_> different server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> can someone tell me
22:56 <TiTnAsS> what
22:56 <TiTnAsS> LOL server
22:56 <TiTnAsS> is?
22:56 <luke-jr_> LOL is a clan
22:57 <TiTnAsS> why does anyone care about it?
22:57 <luke-jr_> which one?
22:57 <TiTnAsS> LOL
22:57 <TiTnAsS> i saw some post saying "abuse of power at LOL by tna"
22:57 <TiTnAsS> but im not able to read it
22:57 <TiTnAsS> cuz my forums
22:57 <TiTnAsS> keeps timing out
22:57 <luke-jr_> the fake TNA bought one from me, and then screwed LOL over
22:57 <TiTnAsS> for no reason
22:58 <TiTnAsS> hmm?
22:58 <luke-jr_> the other LOL server is 4 team fortress
22:58 <TiTnAsS> howd he "screw" lol over from buying a server from you..
22:58 <TiTnAsS> and why didnt he just make his own server..
22:59 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: 1. my server is on a business connection with low pings and such
23:00 <luke-jr_> 2. he shut it down and redirected LOL's site to porn when they kicked him out
23:00 <luke-jr_> 3. he never paid me
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, not me. I'm almost done in the back yard, and I've got to cook early, eat early, and sleep early, so I can have a good night's sleep and stuff for my test tomorrow
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> heh
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> luke cash first then services
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> at least he loved Jesus while he did all those things
23:01 <TiTnAsS> ..
23:01 <TiTnAsS> he got it on credit under my name?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> or what?
23:01 <TiTnAsS> rofl
23:02 <luke-jr_> I don't demand prepayment
23:02 <TiTnAsS> then youll never get paid for anything
23:06 <DrJoeTron> luke you arent going to see that money
23:06 <DrJoeTron> mom is right
23:06 * DrJoeTron Arma's lovable internet detective
23:08 <Vanhayes> freeciv has changed since the last time I played it, it has sound now 0_o
23:08 <DrJoeTron> Sound!?
23:08 <DrJoeTron> RAD!
23:09 <z-man> bedtime! cu all.
23:09 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
23:09 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:09 <TiTnAsS> "rad!"
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> LOL
23:10 <TiTnAsS> " He also tries to brag, saying he partly developed arma (?) and invented double grinding (?). "
23:10 <TiTnAsS> aha...
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23:28 <DrJoeTron> what an interesting community we have
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00:43 <ghableska> hello
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00:57 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
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00:57 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
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02:23 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: lame!@
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> did he betray you, luke-jr_ ?
02:57 <luke-jr_> no, he left
02:57 <luke-jr_> come back and ally with me
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> man, I gotta take a final tomorrow that I need to be well-rested for
02:57 <luke-jr_> dumb mexicans, koreans, and germans are fighting me :(
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> did you promise them peace and then turn on everyone?
02:58 <luke-jr_> no
02:58 <luke-jr_> I never promised it to the Germans
02:58 <luke-jr_> the others turns on me
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> they must have been allied with the Germans :)
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> we need our own arma freeciv server
02:59 <luke-jr_> heh
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> I just checked and there's no initscript for it :(
02:59 <luke-jr_> I don't use init scripts anyhow
02:59 <luke-jr_> not for my hosting stuff
03:00 <luke-jr_> init scripts are a pretty poor design, if you think about it
03:00 <luke-jr_> it assumes one instance of the service, and that it is global for the entire system
03:01 * Lucifer_arma hates init scripts, to be honest
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> I could put it in local.start, though
03:01 <Lucifer_arma> but if it crashes, there's no easy way to restart it, which is what an initscript is good for :)
03:01 <luke-jr_> I designed a replacement called 'user services' for lightfoot =p
03:03 <luke-jr_> more or less, it allows instances of defined services in /home/USER/svc
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04:04 <luke-jr_> ...
04:04 <Your_mom_arm1> different server?
04:05 <luke-jr_> 2 players isn't fun
04:05 <luke-jr_> _spidey: poke
04:06 <luke-jr_> and it's getting kinda late too
04:06 <luke-jr_> these games take too long =p
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04:08 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: wb
04:08 <Your_mom_arm1> 6 hours?
04:08 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: that's be 3 AM =p
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04:09 <Your_mom_arm1> game started 16 now its 22
04:09 <Your_mom_arm1> and the game still wasnt finished
04:10 <Your_mom_arm1> wow that was the worst way to waste a day ever
04:10 <luke-jr_> ROFL
04:10 <luke-jr_> maybe we should play it over a number of days
04:10 <luke-jr_> play an hour, pause, play the next hour another day
04:10 <Your_mom_arm1> can you do that?
04:10 <luke-jr_> I think so
04:10 <Your_mom_arm1> and no ai players
04:11 <luke-jr_> now if gameplay wasn't so many turns, we could just have 1 turn/day
04:11 <Your_mom_arm1> luke mess with the game so it only takes 30 min's
04:11 <luke-jr_> lol
04:12 <luke-jr_> find me a way to make monopoly take 30 min and I'll do that
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's how crimson play by email works
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't have the stuff that makes freeciv fun :/
04:14 <luke-jr_> ?
04:15 <luke-jr_> actually
04:15 <luke-jr_> even as-is, 1 turn/day would still be faster than realtime =p
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04:18 <luke-jr_> so we played what? about 500-600 years per hour? =p
04:18 <luke-jr_> a decade a minute
04:20 <luke-jr_> shall we play a human-only game at size 1? =p
04:21 <_spidey> 1?
04:21 <luke-jr_> yea
04:21 <_spidey> make more fucking land
04:21 <luke-jr_> ok, that too
04:21 <_spidey> small islands are gay -_-
04:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Your_mom_arm1 want to play?
04:21 <Your_mom_arm1> 4 players would go fast
04:21 <_spidey> by the time i got ships everything was made
04:21 <Your_mom_arm1> im in
04:21 <_spidey> then van turned on me -_-
04:21 <luke-jr_> heh
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04:23 <spidey> we playing again?
04:24 <luke-jr_> 5564
04:24 <luke-jr_> ya
04:24 <luke-jr_> small
04:24 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: join
04:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if you're playing, join
04:26 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
04:26 <spidey> Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> man, I just stopped
04:26 <spidey> you're playing again
04:26 <spidey> ;x
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> I was playing a local game, trying to learn the rules :)
04:27 <spidey> lol
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmm, I've got a test tomorrow, so I can't play for real long
04:27 <luke-jr_> it's a short game
04:27 <luke-jr_> in theory
04:27 <spidey> join
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:27 <spidey> it's short
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> where you guys at?
04:27 <spidey> no AI's
04:27 <spidey> so i can pwn
04:27 <spidey> :D
04:27 <luke-jr_> 5564
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04:50 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16: lets play tron
04:50 <DrJoeTron> Dr Joe Tron: nah
04:50 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16: i need a new name on tron
04:50 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16: hyphyleopard
04:50 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16: is a good one
04:50 <DrJoeTron> Dr Joe Tron: how about wrtlprnft |mbc|
04:50 <DrJoeTron> alienwarecrazy16: thats someone else
04:59 <TiTnAsS> LOL
04:59 <TiTnAsS> joe
04:59 <TiTnAsS> your STILL
04:59 <TiTnAsS> talking to the poser?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's it for me
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: after he finished you off, he came after me
05:39 <spidey> :/
05:40 <spidey> we need to get a game with just use in here tomorrrow :p
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> I can run a server, keep it private
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> but yeah, these pro players are kinda ruining it for us, coming in and wasting us like the noobs we are
05:41 <spidey> haha
05:41 <spidey> ya
05:41 <spidey> how the hell did he get big so fast -_-
05:46 <Your_mom_arm1> i had to give him all but one of my cities just for a cease fire
05:46 <spidey> bad move
05:46 <Your_mom_arm1> now im just a limbless man
05:46 <spidey> now he can destroy you in one sweep
05:46 <spidey> :p
05:46 <Your_mom_arm1> well it was that or have him kill me anyway
05:47 <spidey> how's luke doing?
05:50 <Your_mom_arm1> he got second i got third we all know who got 1st
05:50 <spidey> heh
05:56 <luke-jr_> spidey: wanna try a new one?
05:56 <spidey> sure
05:56 <luke-jr_> 5562
05:56 <spidey> i can go for a few more hours,just got high -_-
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> apparently he just started building fighting units
05:56 <spidey> that is
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> he ws attacking me with pretty primitive stuff, horsemen and stuff
05:57 <spidey> untill i run outta food
05:57 <spidey> ya
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> here I could build destroyers and cruisers and was starting a rail line, and he just came in and walked right in
05:57 <spidey> he was hitting me with ships only
05:57 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv
05:57 <luke-jr_> comments =p
05:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,Your_mom_arm1 ?? wanna play just us 4?
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> nah, too close to bedtime, thanks though
06:00 <spidey> k
06:00 <spidey> luke-jr_ Your_mom_arm1 hurry and press start before someone joins :p
06:01 <Your_mom_arm1> srry
06:01 <spidey> jesus look
06:01 <spidey> luke*
06:01 <spidey> see what you cause :p
06:02 <luke-jr_> ...
06:02 <luke-jr_> mom did
06:02 <spidey> haha
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06:06 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: ping
06:06 <TiTnAsS> what are you guys playing?
06:06 <TiTnAsS> o.O
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> FreeCiv
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you kicking?
06:08 <GodTodd> yeah
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> forgot to add to the comment, add some headers :)
06:09 <GodTodd> yeah...wasn't sure where to put them :/
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, two obvious places are the opening, and when you leave to pick her up
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06:09 <GodTodd> k
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06:09 <GodTodd> i'll look for more too :)
06:09 <spidey> lmao
06:09 <luke-jr_> 5565
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> maybe a deeper-level header when your friend is telling you she's a psycho killer
06:09 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: n00bs only
06:10 * Lucifer_arma decides to match GodTodd with an article of his own :)
06:10 <GodTodd> :P
06:10 <GodTodd> heh
06:17 <GodTodd> ok...is there a way to edit in on-site?
06:19 <GodTodd> node 114 not found :/
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> press content in the administrator, errr
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> wait, go to /admin/drafts instead
06:23 <GodTodd> k thanks :)
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> there's a "drafts" link in the top, too
06:23 <GodTodd> bah...don't confuse me with the obvious :P
06:23 <GodTodd> heh
06:26 * Lucifer_arma is liking this workflow module
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> the article I just put in is one LInux Journal said they were interested in, then when I sent it in they said they ddn't want it after all :/
06:32 <GodTodd> ummm it's not letting me do the headings :/
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> ar eyou doing == heading == and === heading === ?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> or ! (like the old filter did?)
06:34 <GodTodd> !
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, use == heading == instead :)
06:34 <GodTodd> front and trailing?
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> more equal signs = deeper heading (i.e. h3, h4, etc)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:35 <GodTodd> so 1 would be valid? or it starts at 2?
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> 1 is valid, but you should start at 2 because Drupal gives us the h1 for the article already
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, don't start it with a header. :)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> have like a paragraph or two before your first header, because Drupal gives the first header as the article title
06:37 <GodTodd> bah
06:37 <GodTodd> send it back then :P
06:39 <GodTodd> nvm...fixed it
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, I just sent it back
06:40 <GodTodd> heh
06:40 <GodTodd> k
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, ending still could use some work, see what you can do. If you're stuck, go ahead and publish it and move on
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> either way, I don't want to see it again until it's on the front page ;)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> problem with real life stories is there's not as much room to soup it up as there is in fiction
06:43 <GodTodd> i know :/
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07:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you should have published mine first, to put yours on top :)
07:11 <GodTodd> yeah...oh well :)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the workflow touches the create date, so the one you publish first gets published first and the next one pushes the first one down
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> most of the stuff I've got hanging around is pretty dry, so I don't want to stick it all up at once, I've decided. I'm going to use it to fill in the blanks when I don't have time to write a new article :)
07:14 <GodTodd> sounds like a plan :)
07:18 <GodTodd> better? ;)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> a bit :)
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> the headers really improve it quite a bit
07:23 <GodTodd> i was mostly thinking of the repositioning i did :)
07:26 <GodTodd> and yeah...breaking it up makes it easier on the eyes
07:27 <wrtlprnft> spidey: Lucifer_arma: Your_mom_arm1: luke-jr_: sorry I left yesterday, I didn't have time to say goodbye :(
07:27 <wrtlprnft> or is that game still running?
07:28 <Vanhayes> its a different game, and we all left except luke-jr_
07:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: not that one, lol
07:30 <GodTodd> not quite *that* long a game ;)
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08:19 <Your_mom_arm1> great
08:19 <Your_mom_arm1> i send a missle and it crashes
08:37 <GodTodd> heh
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/pub/freeciv/contrib/tilesets/freeland/freeland.png
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/pub/freeciv/contrib/tilesets/freeland2/freeland2.png
08:49 <Vanhayes> why does that look so much better than the one im playing?
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08:50 <TiTnAsS> o.O
08:51 <TiTnAsS> that looks like a weird game
08:51 <Vanhayes> its pretty addictive and fun
08:51 <TiTnAsS> how to get it?
08:51 <TiTnAsS> o.O
08:52 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Freeciv
08:52 <Vanhayes> or http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Download
08:53 <TiTnAsS> dling
08:53 <TiTnAsS> o.O
08:53 <TiTnAsS> so
08:53 <Vanhayes> hmm they have an IRC room
08:53 <TiTnAsS> whats the object of the game?
08:53 <Vanhayes> to conquer the earth, or build a space ship
08:53 <Vanhayes> or both
08:53 <GodTodd> kill everyone and take their stuff
08:53 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
08:54 <TiTnAsS> sounds..interesting
08:54 <GodTodd> civ rocks :)
08:54 <GodTodd> even more fun with other actual people :)
08:55 <TiTnAsS> hmm
08:55 <TiTnAsS> i spose i need to read the instuctions
08:55 <TiTnAsS> cuz i have no clue what im doing
08:55 <GodTodd> it's pretty easy to pick up the basic stuff....the nuances take forever to master
09:17 <luke-jr_> spidey and mom are lame
09:17 <Your_mom_arm1> ?
09:18 <luke-jr_> you attack people for no reason
09:18 <Your_mom_arm1> you kept taking over all my territory
09:19 <luke-jr_> did not
09:19 <Your_mom_arm1> btw ai split off from your remains
09:19 <luke-jr_> just moved in next door
09:20 <luke-jr_> I didn't touch your cities
09:20 <Your_mom_arm1> should i have waited till you did?
09:20 <Your_mom_arm1> you cut off philidelphia
09:21 <Your_mom_arm1> its a game luke
09:21 <luke-jr_> I wasn't going to
09:21 <luke-jr_> I was going to build a spaceship
09:23 <TiTnAsS> your mom
09:23 <TiTnAsS> kill luke
09:23 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:24 <Your_mom_arm1> todd managed that i think
09:25 <luke-jr_> I love how the game ends all of a sudden with absolutely no explanation
09:26 <GodTodd> yah...they need to say that i built the fsking ship :)
09:26 <luke-jr_> next time mom, remember that a peace treaty means we're friends
09:26 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: it got there in so short a time?
09:26 <GodTodd> 16 years
09:26 <spidey> luke-jr_ got pwned :p
09:26 <Your_mom_arm1> well it was 3 on 1
09:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: only cuz you two were lame
09:26 <spidey> lmao
09:26 <luke-jr_> I wasn't planning for a battle
09:26 <spidey> i was preparing the whole time to attack you
09:26 <luke-jr_> jerk
09:26 <spidey> :p
09:26 <GodTodd> well...2.5 on 1....i didn't actually fight
09:26 <Your_mom_arm1> god todd did all the hard research
09:27 <DrJoeTron> vaders back :d
09:27 <spidey> ya
09:27 <luke-jr_> I learned "Future Research #2"
09:27 <spidey> i got future tech 2 i think
09:27 <DrJoeTron> we start mario kart tomarrow
09:27 <luke-jr_> yeah that
09:27 <DrJoeTron> :D
09:27 <Your_mom_arm1> cool
09:27 <luke-jr_> pfft kart
09:27 <spidey> look at my military stats mom
09:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: did you look at the page?
09:27 <spidey> that's why i waited so long :p
09:28 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
09:28 <DrJoeTron> man
09:28 <spidey> i was waiting to get strong enough to beat luke full attack
09:28 <spidey> :p
09:28 <DrJoeTron> i almost want to retire from arma for a few weeks
09:28 <GodTodd> spidey was more literate than me....man there's something wrong with that i think ;)
09:28 <Your_mom_arm1> i hit hiroshima with 2 or 3 nukes
09:28 <spidey> before it ended that's what i was doing :/
09:28 <Your_mom_arm1> lol
09:28 <spidey> i didn't nuke at all
09:28 <spidey> though i had one
09:29 <Vanhayes> anyone want to play again?
09:29 <Your_mom_arm1> no way
09:29 <spidey> i do i do
09:29 <spidey> !!
09:29 <spidey> :
09:29 <spidey> :D
09:29 <spidey> luke-jr_ next time i'll be on your side :p
09:29 <Your_mom_arm1> i crated nuclear winter to even out global warming
09:29 <Your_mom_arm1> created
09:29 <DrJoeTron> oh man, i saw a name tonight i havent heard in a while
09:29 <spidey> lmao
09:29 <DrJoeTron> RadioFiasco
09:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: did you look at the page?
09:29 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
09:29 <spidey> what page?
09:29 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: O.o
09:29 <Your_mom_arm1> havnt seen him in forever
09:29 <luke-jr_> haven't seen him in ages
09:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv
09:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:30 <luke-jr_> where was he?
09:30 <Your_mom_arm1> oh my ramen noodles that wasnt very funny at all
09:30 <luke-jr_> lol
09:30 <DrJoeTron> yeah he said alll he does is play xbox live now
09:30 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
09:30 <luke-jr_> sucks
09:30 <DrJoeTron> the ramen thing came back
09:30 <luke-jr_> tell him to play Arma and get on IRC
09:30 <luke-jr_> and play Civ with us
09:30 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:30 <DrJoeTron> i might join you guys one day
09:30 <DrJoeTron> just not in an rts mood currently
09:30 <luke-jr_> it's not a rts
09:30 <spidey> cool luke
09:30 <DrJoeTron> i still need to download empires
09:31 <Your_mom_arm1> yeah it is
09:31 <luke-jr_> no, it's turn based =p
09:31 <Vanhayes> $75??
09:31 <spidey> for a 30player server
09:31 <Vanhayes> ya but i could host a 30 player game for free
09:31 <luke-jr_> could you?
09:31 <spidey> do you have the bandwith?
09:32 <spidey> i could to
09:32 <Your_mom_arm1> luke you did see an ai break off in civil war like you suggested?
09:32 <Vanhayes> pings dont matter too much in turn based game
09:32 <luke-jr_> based off the FreeCiv's page, you'd need more upload than a T1 for 30 players
09:32 <spidey> i did
09:32 <spidey> luke got pwned and split up
09:32 <spidey> heh
09:32 <Your_mom_arm1> you cant really say pwned when hes fighting with a handicap of no alliances
09:32 <luke-jr_> so I doubt many people *could* host it home
09:33 <spidey> i could host one
09:33 <spidey> about 5-6 players
09:33 <luke-jr_> how much upload do you have?
09:33 <spidey> or i could host a couple 30players from my webserver
09:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: I suspect your host would notice =p
09:33 <spidey> or i could host a 9 player from my shell account
09:34 <Your_mom_arm1> cya guys
09:34 <spidey> cya
09:34 <DrJoeTron> cya
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09:34 <spidey> luke-jr_ Vanhayes wanna play one?
09:34 <luke-jr_> 2:35 AM... not sure if I wanna be here at 8 AM =p
09:34 <spidey> why not :D
09:35 <luke-jr_> dentist appt at 2 PM
09:35 <spidey> heh
09:35 <luke-jr_> for the next 2 weeks
09:35 <luke-jr_> =p
09:37 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: what happened?
09:37 <luke-jr_> --> SMAlik (n=alik@mail.irkmaster.ru) has joined #anime
09:37 <luke-jr_> <SMAlik> , KDE konstruct?
09:37 <luke-jr_> <drantin_away> ?
09:37 <luke-jr_> --- drantin_away is now known as drantin
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09:37 <luke-jr_> <SMAlik> do you speak russia?
09:37 <luke-jr_> <-- arran4 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
09:37 <luke-jr_> <SMAlik> or speak english?
09:37 <luke-jr_> <drantin> je parle anglais. Aussi, je parle un petit peu francais.
09:37 <luke-jr_> <drantin> english is good...
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09:37 <luke-jr_> <drantin> if that statement earlier was russian, i need to install a Cyrillic font...
09:37 <luke-jr_> <SMAlik> ok, i'm dont speak french and endlish. I'm speak russian. Bye
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09:37 <luke-jr_> I wonder why he was asking about compiling KDE in #anime
09:38 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: ?
09:39 <Vanhayes> spidey, wrtlprnft want to play a game?
09:39 <spidey> sure
09:39 <Vanhayes> 5565
09:40 <luke-jr_> hrm
09:40 <luke-jr_> I want to play
09:40 <luke-jr_> but
09:40 <luke-jr_> with a premade map
09:40 <luke-jr_> laid out like the real world
09:40 <luke-jr_> with cities and such all placed
09:40 <spidey> ....
09:40 <spidey> how you do that?
09:40 <luke-jr_> no idea, but I know it supports premade maps
09:41 <Vanhayes> it has them in scenarios
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09:43 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: so yes or no for playing another game?
09:43 <spidey> yes no yes no no yes
09:43 <luke-jr_> hmm\
09:43 <luke-jr_> I'll think about it
09:43 <luke-jr_> and delay your game
09:43 <luke-jr_> =p
09:43 <Vanhayes> this one has huts
09:43 <luke-jr_> can I leave if I want to sleep? =p
09:44 <spidey> no
09:44 <spidey> AI's are evil
09:44 <luke-jr_> ...
09:44 <spidey> well yes
09:44 <Vanhayes> we can leave it on no ai
09:44 <spidey> if you left us capture your stuff before hand
09:45 <Vanhayes> If I want to sleep im going to leave so you can
09:45 <GodTodd> probably faster to just give the stuff away
09:49 <spidey> GodTodd wanna play?
09:58 <GodTodd> nah...i need to get to bed...thanks anyway :)
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10:09 <DrJoeTron> night folks >-;;,ccc3
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11:44 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: booo
11:44 <wrtlprnft> well, van left
11:44 <wrtlprnft> leaving me absolutely no chance
11:44 <wrtlprnft> you'd have flattened me
11:44 <wrtlprnft> now you and spidey can fight it out
11:45 <wrtlprnft> go spidey!
11:46 <luke-jr_> :(
11:46 <luke-jr_> you & spidey vs me
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12:01 <spidey> -_-
12:24 <spidey> #armaservers
12:24 <armabot> spidey: Unable to download feed.
12:24 <spidey> #armaservers
12:24 <armabot> spidey: Unable to download feed.
12:24 <spidey> :/
12:53 <guru3> someone change the thingy to use http://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php instead
12:54 <guru3> & holy crap someone actually is doing the coppa form :o
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13:51 <wrtlprnft> #list rss
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: add, announce, armaservers, armawiki, info, reddit, remove, and rss
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #rss remove armaservers
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #rss add armaservers ttp://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Unable to download feed.
13:51 <spidey> lol
13:51 <wrtlprnft> #rss add armaservers http://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php
13:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I already have a command in this plugin named armaservers.
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #rss remove armaservers
13:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #rss add armaservers http://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php
13:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
13:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (4 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (2 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (2 players) || RaceToWinzone (Testversion) (1 players) || -{E}-Element Clan server *FOC* (0 players) || ~{GP}~Clanserver (search members) (0 players) || (1 more message)
13:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:54 <guru3> there ya goes
13:55 <wrtlprnft> is the character thingy fixed now?
13:55 <guru3> probably not
13:55 <wrtlprnft> x_x
13:57 <guru3> "oops"
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15:30 <spidey> $ g 25.60pounds in USD
15:30 <spidey> #g 25.60pounds in USD
15:30 <armabot> 25.60 British pounds = 48.49664 U.S. dollars
15:30 <Compn1> the dollar has fallen :(
15:30 <spidey> lol
15:59 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> it would be more accurate to say "the dollar is falling"
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16:59 * GodTodd catches it.
17:30 <wrtlprnft> #g 180 british pounds in EUR
17:30 <armabot> 180 British pounds = 266.963125 Euros
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17:41 <pegasus> hi
17:42 <pegasus> jemand da?
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17:44 <wrtlprnft> impatient people
17:46 <Vanhayes> #babelfish german to english jemand da?
17:46 <Vanhayes> #translate german to english jemand da?
17:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: someone there?
17:46 <Vanhayes> heh
17:46 <wrtlprnft> heh, perfect
17:47 <Vanhayes> hey wrtl who won that freeciv game after I left?
17:47 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: i left too
17:47 <wrtlprnft> tired
17:47 <wrtlprnft> and i had no chance anymore :P
17:47 <Vanhayes> ya it was arounf 7 am when I quit here
17:48 <Vanhayes> had to get up 3 hours later
17:48 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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18:33 <DrJoeTron> wiggity wiggity
19:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:08 <DrJoeTron> this iron grip game looks interesting
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> aha!
19:09 <Lucifer_arma> allies can transport on each other's ships!
19:10 <Lucifer_arma> so I could build a good navy and move my ally's forces around
19:14 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6079 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: Added comment about gcc 3.3 and bison 2.1 incompatibility.
19:28 <wrtlprnft> umm, i just read a city produces more if it's build near a forest. Handy to know
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20:01 <Vanhayes> the little numbers on the icons show food<green> production<white> and Trade<gold>
20:03 <Vanhayes> anyone feel like playing a game?
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20:12 <Lucifer_arma> give me half an hour and I"m up for a game
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyone else?
20:16 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: spidey luke-jr_ anyone?
20:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong
20:19 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: wrtl quit, so there was no point continuing
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm building it on my server right now so I can run us a little private game without all those pro freeciv guys coming in and wasting us
20:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'm still tuned to playing it like civ1, which is a bit wrong, so I may as well be a noob :)
20:20 <Vanhayes> heh i was doing pretty good in that game, I took out spidey's capital and his country was split in half to make a new ai one
20:20 <Lucifer_arma> any objections to playing a hex game?
20:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I would probably stick one on hachi, but the ebuild seems to be dumb-- why would dedicated-only need X?
20:21 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: I was taking over wrtl's land
20:21 <Vanhayes> hex would be ok by me
20:22 <luke-jr_> I'll play if I can leave in 30 min
20:22 <Vanhayes> I want to try out a tile set first
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com, port 5555
20:25 * luke-jr_ notes port 5555 is blocked sometimes
20:26 * Lucifer_arma just opened it, try it and tell me if it works
20:26 <luke-jr_> yeah, but maybe not for others
20:26 <luke-jr_> could be blocked outgoing
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
20:27 <luke-jr_> it's some kind of trojan or virus thing
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: wrtlprnft ?
20:27 <luke-jr_> IIRC
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> anyone else? I guess wrtlprnft is probably sleeping or something
20:29 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: here is where you can get maps www.davefancella.com,
20:29 <Vanhayes> er
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> check that paste buffer!
20:29 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: here is where you can get maps http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Extras
20:29 <Vanhayes> there we go
20:29 <Lucifer_arma> um, are there scenarios that already have cities built? I didn't see any
20:29 <Vanhayes> heh
20:39 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: no, I'm trying to learn freeciv
20:39 <wrtlprnft> btw roads/railroads only make your units move faster
20:39 <wrtlprnft> they don't induce trade automatically
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> best way to learn is to play :)
20:39 <wrtlprnft> i'm playing against AIs right now
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> we made some ai players, so you can join if you'd like
20:40 <wrtlprnft> gives me time to think about what I'm doing
20:40 <wrtlprnft> and i'm gonna continue that game until it's done :P
20:40 <wrtlprnft> then I
20:40 <wrtlprnft> 'll play
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21:07 <luke-jr_> Does Arma 2.0.8 have any important security holes and/or use more bandwidth?
21:10 <z-man> ? Arma 2.0.8?
21:10 <z-man> You mean freeciv 2.0.8? Gentoo said it was masked because of security holes.
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21:13 <luke-jr_> Arma 2.0.8
21:13 <luke-jr_> I have a request to host it
21:15 <z-man> Take 0.2.8.1, that has no existing holes and has the advantage that it exists :)
21:15 <z-man> err, 0.2.8.2.1
21:16 <z-man> and no known holes.
21:21 <z-man> Sorry for leaving the civ game so abruptly again, I have to familiarize myself with the controls first. Hard to steer the units without a keypad :(
21:25 <wrtlprnft> z-man: press g and then klick on the target?
21:26 <z-man> clicking sucks on a notebook as well.
21:26 <wrtlprnft> true
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> what realy sucks is when you say something in chat, then hit g to move something and nothing happens
21:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:32 <Vanhayes> yes that gets very annoying
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you're gonna play with ais, use small land masses :)
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> the ai's need to move at the end of the turn, not immediately. Is there an option to have ais move either after timeout or after all players click done?
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21:33 <wrtlprnft> /join #freeciv
21:34 <hang3r> hey long time no see ;)
21:34 <wrtlprnft> well, anyways, what server are you guys on?
21:34 <wrtlprnft> hi hang3r
21:34 <Vanhayes> we all quit
21:34 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:35 <Vanhayes> ai owned me then luci and was about to own luke/ai/me
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh
21:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna see the very hard AIs
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> the ai got too powerful by the time he got to you, van. Er, luke, er, whoever :)
21:37 <Vanhayes> heh ya
21:38 <Vanhayes> they are very stupid though, we were at peace then he attacked me, i tried offering him 20 some techs for a cease fire and it wouldnt take it
21:38 <wrtlprnft> they don't seem to take anything
21:39 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: can you restart your server? no ais this time plz
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> I got an AI in local game to give me a city
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> the server stopped?
21:40 <Vanhayes> no but it is still going on the same game
21:40 <Vanhayes> er nvrm
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I see what's happening
21:40 <Vanhayes> wait yes it is
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, it's restarted
21:41 <wrtlprnft> are you playing again?
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> sure
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> let's fiddle with the options a bit first
21:42 <wrtlprnft> what server?
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, no scenario map this way
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> mine, www.davefancella.com
21:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's not public
21:42 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: host= www.davefancella.com 5555
21:53 <wrtlprnft> kicked :s
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22:07 <DrJoeTron> brb
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22:53 <TiTnAsS> damnit
22:53 <TiTnAsS> - -;
22:53 <TiTnAsS> just jailed the LuX tryout miserably
22:54 <TiTnAsS> failed*
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23:18 <luke-jr_> #later tell z-man He doesn't want 0.2.8, unless that was very typo'd
23:18 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
23:18 <luke-jr_> #later tell z-man keypad control for Civ is rare =p
23:18 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
Log from 2006-08-16:
--- Day changed Wed Aug 16 2006
00:03 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: come back
00:03 <luke-jr_> wrtl is too slow
00:10 <Your_mom_arma> ?
00:25 <luke-jr_> we're short a player now
00:25 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: join?
00:27 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: we need a player
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> nah
00:27 <luke-jr_> -.-
00:27 <luke-jr_> yah
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:28 <luke-jr_> we can't play otherwise
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> supposed to leave shortly
00:30 <luke-jr_> :|
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01:00 <Lucifer_arma> worklists are fuckin' cool
01:01 <luke-jr_> ...
01:01 <luke-jr_> you just now discovered those?
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> I've also determined that auto-settler isn't going to work for me
01:02 <GodTodd> worklists rock
01:03 <GodTodd> nah...i chose my city sites then let workers auto connect them
01:03 <GodTodd> :)
01:03 <GodTodd> chose=choose
01:03 <luke-jr_> auto-settler never made sense to me
01:03 <luke-jr_> auto-connect?!?
01:04 <GodTodd> build roads
01:04 <GodTodd> to connect my cities
01:05 <GodTodd> well...freeciv seems closer to a mix of civ2 and civ3...and in civ2 you don't have workers so the autosettler is useful...it's obsolete in freeciv and civ3 tho
01:05 <luke-jr_> how auto-connect roads?
01:06 <Vanhayes> shift+ctrl+r for manual or "a" for auto worker
01:06 <GodTodd> i do 'a'
01:06 <GodTodd> cuz then they do more than roads
01:08 <luke-jr_> nice
01:08 <Vanhayes> but they also make mines/irrigation over and over again
01:08 <luke-jr_> a = auto-settler :/
01:10 <Vanhayes> or auto worker
01:11 <luke-jr_> not what it says
01:12 <GodTodd> it's both
01:12 <GodTodd> a: (a)uto-settler (settler/worker units)
01:12 <GodTodd> that's from the help file
01:15 <wrtlprnft> irrigated files give more food
01:15 <wrtlprnft> *tiles
01:15 <wrtlprnft> if you irrigate them twice and have a supermarket they give even more
01:15 <GodTodd> holy crap van...your ping shot over 10000 ;)
01:16 <luke-jr_> screw food
01:16 <GodTodd> lose food, lose population, lose production
01:16 <luke-jr_> too much population anyhow
01:17 <wrtlprnft> you won't get big cities if you have tiles that produce less than 2 food
01:18 <luke-jr_> I do
01:18 <wrtlprnft> how big?
01:18 <luke-jr_> my problem is that my cities get too big
01:18 <luke-jr_> >3
01:18 <luke-jr_> 4+ is too big
01:18 <wrtlprnft> nothing
01:18 <wrtlprnft> is not
01:18 <wrtlprnft> then you need more food
01:18 <luke-jr_> the help file says it's too big =p
01:18 <wrtlprnft> and put some people off work to be entertainers
01:19 <luke-jr_> so size 4 = settlers
01:19 <wrtlprnft> any city >4 will have unhappy inhabitants
01:19 <wrtlprnft> unless you work against it with wonders or entertainers
01:19 <Vanhayes> big cities arent good imho
01:33 <spidey> o.o
01:34 <spidey> i always have big cities
01:35 <spidey> if you put the city in a good spot
01:35 <Vanhayes> thats not good
01:35 <spidey> the bigger the more production
01:35 <Vanhayes> one or 2 but no more
01:35 <spidey> last time i had one that had a 12production
01:35 <spidey> oh and btw
01:35 <spidey> communism is the best government
01:35 <Vanhayes> i had 12 that had 4 production
01:35 <spidey> people are always happy
01:35 <spidey> units don't take production away
01:36 <Vanhayes> meh republic is my choice
01:36 <spidey> ya and you piss a city off guess what
01:36 <spidey> you lose prodcution there
01:36 <spidey> you make units there and move them
01:36 <spidey> you piss the city off
01:36 <Vanhayes> i dont let them grow over 3-4
01:36 <Vanhayes> so they dont get pissed
01:36 <spidey> size doesn't matter
01:36 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_:
01:37 <Vanhayes> yes it does
01:37 <spidey> if you produce a few units in a city
01:37 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ....
01:37 <spidey> 1 it takes off your production
01:37 <spidey> 2 the citizans revolt
01:37 <spidey> those little people with lightening underthem means the city is pissed
01:37 <spidey> i've seen alot of them in luke's and van's cities so >:P
01:38 <Vanhayes> and if you just switch a few things around they fix themselves
01:38 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: man come on click turn done
01:38 <spidey> whatever,besides
01:38 <spidey> with communism you can tax the fuck out of them
01:38 <spidey> and they don't get pissed
01:38 <spidey> :p
01:39 <Vanhayes> and you dont get science
01:39 <Vanhayes> science 70 tax 30
01:39 <spidey> yes
01:39 <spidey> but after all the techs are gained there's no need for science :p
01:39 <Vanhayes> thats when you tax them yes
01:40 <spidey> -_-
01:40 <Vanhayes> meh I killed your capital, that was pretty funny
01:40 <spidey> wasn't
01:40 <Vanhayes> made a new country
01:40 <Vanhayes> heh
01:40 <spidey> -_-
01:40 <spidey> you're just lucky
01:40 <spidey> i was in the middle of mass production
01:41 <spidey> few more years and you wouldn't have done it :p
01:41 <Vanhayes> so? I had nukes in 3 turns
01:41 <spidey> but you can't nuke over seas
01:41 <spidey> not without submarines
01:41 <spidey> or carriers
01:41 <Vanhayes> um yes you can
01:41 * Vanhayes has done it
01:41 <spidey> not if i'm further away than it can reach
01:42 <Vanhayes> well ya
01:42 <spidey> and i had railrodes everywhere so if you'd nuked me i'd put units back in the city
01:42 <spidey> = no capture :p
01:42 <spidey> besides if luke-jr_ would have let me build army first instead of research i'd had tons of army :p
01:43 <Vanhayes> anyway I had taken your capital had 3 bombers 5 battleships and 20 troops on your island :)
01:43 <spidey> i had battleships and and destroyers o.o
01:43 <Vanhayes> grr luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
01:43 <Vanhayes> destroyers arent as good as battle ships
01:43 <spidey> though i lost them all taking a city back from that stupid split -_-
01:44 <spidey> wanna play again? :D
01:44 <spidey> luke-jr_,Lucifer_arma,GodTodd,wrtlprnft ?
01:44 <Vanhayes> btw you should never make your capital on the coast
01:44 <spidey> heh
01:45 <Vanhayes> I was still playing but then luke-jr_ decided to stop clicking turn done
01:45 <spidey> lmao
01:45 * Vanhayes had 20 some troops outside luke-jr_ 's capital
01:48 <spidey> lol
01:51 <Vanhayes> ha finally took it
01:59 <spidey> what port??
02:00 <luke-jr_> ...
02:00 <spidey> i wanna watch
02:00 <luke-jr_> it's over
02:00 <spidey> wanna play again? :p
02:01 <luke-jr_> not now
02:01 <spidey> hayes?
02:02 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv
02:03 <spidey> luke-jr_ i emailed that guy about the source
02:03 <luke-jr_> ok
02:05 <spidey> i doubt we'll get it
02:05 <spidey> lol
02:11 <spidey> eh
02:11 <luke-jr_> ..
02:11 <spidey> i won't be on the next couple days
02:11 <spidey> my aunt died :/
02:11 <luke-jr_> why not? :|
02:11 <spidey> "my aunt died :/"
02:12 <luke-jr_> so you can't be on?
02:12 <spidey> no
02:12 <luke-jr_> wtf?
02:12 <spidey> i'll probably 2 counties away
02:12 <luke-jr_> o
02:17 <spidey> i'ma go play freeciv with other people maybe
02:18 <spidey> luke-jr_ Vanhayes join 5563 :D
02:22 <Vanhayes> spidey: i might play a little later
02:22 <spidey> -_-
02:25 <Vanhayes> im gonna play some tron instead
02:25 <spidey> i suck at tron
02:25 <spidey> ;/
02:25 <spidey> i'm outta practice,guess i'll play to
02:25 <spidey> where you going?
02:25 <luke-jr_> lol
02:25 <Vanhayes> LOL
02:26 <Vanhayes> server
02:26 <Vanhayes> #shuffle s s s
02:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: s s s
02:27 <Vanhayes> #shuffle I c a r u s
02:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: a s I u r c
02:27 <luke-jr_> ...
02:28 <Vanhayes> #shuffle l u k e - j r _
02:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: e u - j k l _ r
02:38 <spidey> i can't play there
02:38 <spidey> to laggy
02:38 <spidey> that lol server and the ct servers are the laggiest two servers i've found
02:39 <Vanhayes> xzl is laggy for being in USA
02:39 <spidey> not for me
02:39 <spidey> i'm fine there
02:39 <Vanhayes> i used to get 60 pings
02:39 <spidey> i still do :p
02:39 <Vanhayes> now its 120 and 20 fps
02:39 <spidey> xzl is hosted at the sameplace mbc is
02:39 <Vanhayes> thats the only server it does that on too
02:40 <spidey> because it's highspeed
02:40 <Vanhayes> havent been in mbc in a long time
02:41 <spidey> http://www.averoth.net/index.php
02:41 <spidey> lol
02:42 <Vanhayes> MBC is fine with ping fps
02:43 <TiTnAsS> damnnn
02:46 <Vanhayes> that would suck
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> after dinner I"ll be happy to play, either on a europe map or a world map
02:50 <GodTodd> then i'd better pee now ;)
02:51 <spidey> haha
02:51 <spidey> GodTodd's on my team :p
02:51 <GodTodd> cuz i peed?
02:51 <GodTodd> wow
02:51 <spidey> ya
02:52 <GodTodd> hmmm...you don't wanna drink it do ya?
02:52 <GodTodd> ;)
02:52 <spidey> -_-
02:52 <GodTodd> just seeing where the line is drawn
02:52 <GodTodd> heh
02:53 <spidey> lol
02:58 <spidey> luke-jr_, appearently that guy's not gonna get back to us on the source :/
02:59 <spidey> oh ya,can we play a private game?
03:09 <spidey> i'ma watch resident evil untill you guys are ready :p
03:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: eh?
03:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM me more on that
03:10 <luke-jr_> so... world map after supper?
03:10 <spidey> i sent the email yesterday
03:10 <spidey> ya,i guess....whatever's fine with me aslong as it's not tiny ass islands :p
03:11 <luke-jr_> nah, world is continents
03:11 <luke-jr_> I get Japan =p
03:12 <spidey> i get china
03:12 <GodTodd> i get antarctica!
03:12 <spidey> lmao
03:13 <GodTodd> hey...my penguins and polar bears will kick your ass :P
03:13 <luke-jr_> lol
03:15 <spidey> resident evil creeps me out
03:15 <spidey> cause that could actually happen :s
03:15 <GodTodd> i'm sure the feeling is mutual ;)
03:15 <spidey> haha
03:17 <spidey> i forget that girls name,but she's fine ;D
03:18 <luke-jr_> heh, horror and science-fiction don't mix well i guess
03:19 <spidey> well
03:19 <GodTodd> Milla Jovovich <---- her?
03:20 <spidey> who knows,it's based on biowarefare, it could happen
03:20 <spidey> ya todd i think that's her ;x
03:21 <GodTodd> she played alice
03:21 <GodTodd> V
03:21 <GodTodd> http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3111/NoemieLeno_Pimen_5064342_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Jovovich,%20Milla&seq=8
03:21 <spidey> ya
03:21 <GodTodd> there's a pic
03:21 <GodTodd> heh
03:21 * spidey wants resident evil 3 to come out
03:23 <spidey> who's that other girl
03:23 <spidey> the one that played in the fast and the ferious
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03:27 <GodTodd> michelle rodriguez?
03:27 <spidey> she fine to :D
03:27 <GodTodd> yeah
03:36 <luke-jr_> ...
03:36 <GodTodd> ,,,
03:37 <spidey> if you're disagreeing with me luke,you're a fag
03:37 <spidey> :D
03:43 <luke-jr_> 'fine' applies to verbs, not to nouns
03:44 <GodTodd> unless you figure in slang
03:45 <GodTodd> actually...you don't even have to figure in just slang..........ie 'a fine day'
03:46 <GodTodd> where's the verb?
03:46 <spidey> haha
03:46 <GodTodd> 'a fine haired brush'
03:47 <GodTodd> 'fine line marker'
03:47 <GodTodd> it's an adjective...which is a modifier for...ummm...a noun?
03:49 <luke-jr_> shush
03:50 <GodTodd> :P
03:50 <luke-jr_> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=127746
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> spidey loves men
03:51 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: back from dinner?
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> so y'all up for some freeciv in about half an hour or so?
03:51 <luke-jr_> why half an hour
03:51 <luke-jr_> I don't want to be up till 4 AM
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> so I can smoke a cigarette, move the sprinkler, etc
03:52 <luke-jr_> -.-
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> I just finished dinner a minute ago
03:52 <luke-jr_> so?
03:52 <luke-jr_> we've been waiting for you
03:52 <luke-jr_> =p
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok, well I'll be back in half an hour or thereabouts :)
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> ready when I get back, barring anything crazy happening
03:52 <luke-jr_> -.-
03:52 <luke-jr_> =.=
03:53 <luke-jr_> how do I load the world map
03:54 <spidey> could you imagen
03:54 <spidey> being eaten alive??
03:54 <Vanhayes> yes?
03:54 <spidey> that'd be so painful -_-
03:54 <spidey> we playing now??
03:54 <spidey> i'ma go piss
03:55 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: you playing?
03:56 <Vanhayes> are we playing right now?
03:56 <Vanhayes> yell when your about to start
03:57 <luke-jr_> in about 25 min I think
03:57 <luke-jr_> how do I load the map?
04:01 <spidey> ok
04:01 <spidey> got snakes and another pack of cigarettes
04:01 <spidey> ready to go for hours :D
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what map?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> world or europe?
04:01 <spidey> world?
04:01 <spidey> what server?
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> mine? I want to play one of those maps, if y'all don't mind. Some of you were asking about it last night, iirc
04:02 <luke-jr_> world
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else? World is fine with me...
04:03 <spidey> same
04:03 <GodTodd> world is cool
04:03 <spidey> what's the host/port?
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: YELL
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> let me start it real quick
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be www.davefancella.com , port 5555
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else?
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> LAST CALL FOR FREECIV PLAYERS :)
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that was the last call
04:14 <TiTnAsS> asdf
04:14 <TiTnAsS> - -;
04:24 <spidey> cellphones kill you
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05:13 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: ...
05:13 <GodTodd> yeah?
05:13 <luke-jr_> where'd you go?
05:13 <GodTodd> here
05:13 <luke-jr_> ...
05:13 <luke-jr_> giving up so early?
05:13 <GodTodd> when there's more fighting over the timer than there is playing...that's my cue to find something more useful to do
05:14 <luke-jr_> there's plenty of playing
05:14 <GodTodd> good
05:14 <GodTodd> hope you win
05:14 <luke-jr_> all timer fight was while waiting for other players to go
05:14 <GodTodd> ok
05:15 <luke-jr_> so come play ;p
05:15 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: you wanna play?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you too
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> without a long timer, how are you supposed to plan your cities?
05:25 <GodTodd> you don't...you get 'yelled at' by luke for going too slow
05:25 <GodTodd> heh
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I only had 4 cities, and 3 of them I built, and apparently I kept pace with vanhayes for technology
05:25 <luke-jr_> we went back to long anyway
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> I also didn't slow the game down any, I was usually waiting for others :)
05:26 <luke-jr_> except had to set one since there's 2 inactive players
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> 60 is short
05:26 <luke-jr_> except had to set one since there's 2 inactive players
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> and then later when you have a lot of cities, I mean, worklists only get you so far. After a little bit, every city is different
05:27 <Vanhayes> spidey?
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> and I was trying to nurse a city along that was only producing enough food to maintain population when it needed to grow
05:28 <luke-jr_> so I'll just have to learn to do something else while I wait
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> I'll come back if there's no timer. :) The game I want to play has people taking reasonable and considerate amounts of time for their turns, and giving time to players that need it
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes I need it, sometimes I don't
05:28 <luke-jr_> if we fill both inactive spots, the timer can go
05:29 <luke-jr_> but until then, the timer is required to play
05:29 <GodTodd> heh...not if you're not scared of ai
05:29 <luke-jr_> most of us are =p
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05:38 <TiTnAsS> asdf
05:38 <TiTnAsS> joe
05:38 <DrJoeTron> yeah?
05:38 <TiTnAsS> i failed the LuX tryout earlier
05:38 <TiTnAsS> - -;
05:38 <TiTnAsS> i was soooo close
05:38 <DrJoeTron> ...clans?
05:38 <TiTnAsS> not tron though
05:38 <TiTnAsS> i rape tron up
05:38 <TiTnAsS> ^^
05:38 <TiTnAsS> wc3
05:38 <DrJoeTron> oh
05:39 <TiTnAsS> anyway..im disapointed
05:39 <TiTnAsS> one of the best clans
05:39 <TiTnAsS> and i failed tryout barely
05:39 <TiTnAsS> - -;
05:39 <DrJoeTron> that would be amazing to me, if i played WC3 :p
05:39 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:39 <luke-jr_> Freeciv's better= p
05:39 * TiTnAsS - -;
05:39 <TiTnAsS> i checked out freeciv
05:39 <TiTnAsS> my small primitive brain cant grasp the concept
05:39 <TiTnAsS> :D
05:39 <luke-jr_> =p
05:40 <luke-jr_> 10 decades/minute
05:40 <TiTnAsS> ?
05:40 <TiTnAsS> o.o
05:40 <luke-jr_> game play rate
05:40 <TiTnAsS> meh
05:40 <TiTnAsS> im not even sure
05:40 <TiTnAsS> what your supposed to do
05:40 <TiTnAsS> i didnt read directions
05:40 <DrJoeTron> a century a minute?
05:40 <luke-jr_> 2 months of game time happen every second
05:40 <luke-jr_> you build a civilization
05:41 <TiTnAsS> all i saw
05:41 <TiTnAsS> was a wagon
05:41 <TiTnAsS> and a red line
05:41 <luke-jr_> and do like war and science and stuff
05:41 <TiTnAsS> when i moved mouse
05:41 <TiTnAsS> :D
05:41 <luke-jr_> spidey:
05:41 <luke-jr_> last night, we ended up in nuclear winter
05:41 <luke-jr_> until GodTodd's space ship got to Alpha Centauri
05:43 <TiTnAsS> i thoguht you guys were the tron crew
05:43 <TiTnAsS> not the freeciv
05:43 <TiTnAsS> guys
05:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
05:43 <luke-jr_> hehe
05:45 <TiTnAsS> so, i understand the concept
05:45 <TiTnAsS> now how to play?
05:45 <luke-jr_> um
05:45 <luke-jr_> connect to luci's server
05:45 <TiTnAsS> which is? - -;
05:45 <luke-jr_> <Lucifer_arma> it'll be www.davefancella.com , port 5555
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06:18 <luke-jr_> guru3: hi
06:42 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: 4 AM
06:48 <TiTnAsS> ?
06:48 <TiTnAsS> o.o
06:48 <TiTnAsS> 4am=next game?
06:49 <luke-jr_> yep
06:49 <luke-jr_> pretty likely anyhow
06:49 <luke-jr_> that's when I've gone to bed the last 2 nights =p
06:49 <TiTnAsS> lol
06:50 <TiTnAsS> well thx for trying to help me ^^
06:50 <TiTnAsS> i just played a ltitle single player
06:50 <TiTnAsS> i understand it a little
06:50 <TiTnAsS> but, i have 2 questions
06:50 <TiTnAsS> how do you USE the resources at each spot lol
06:50 <luke-jr_> the cities do
06:50 <TiTnAsS> and i had a couple towns, but hadnt yet figured out what to do with em..
06:50 <luke-jr_> you don't directly
06:50 <TiTnAsS> oic
06:50 <TiTnAsS> so you build the cities on the areas
06:50 <TiTnAsS> and they get the resources
06:50 <luke-jr_> around
06:50 <luke-jr_> within 2 blocks
06:51 <TiTnAsS> ic
06:51 <TiTnAsS> and what do you do with the cities?
06:51 <luke-jr_> have them build stuff for you
06:51 <TiTnAsS> in the order button correct?
06:51 <TiTnAsS> in the city tab is just
06:51 <TiTnAsS> info?
06:53 <luke-jr_> eh?
06:53 <TiTnAsS> i couldnt get them to build me anything
06:53 <luke-jr_> Production tab of city window
06:53 <TiTnAsS> but
06:53 <TiTnAsS> oic
06:53 <TiTnAsS> ty
06:54 <luke-jr_> np
06:55 <TiTnAsS> so the more citis you have
06:55 <TiTnAsS> the better?
06:55 <TiTnAsS> cuz you get more resources/more stuff quicker?
06:55 <TiTnAsS> - -;
06:56 <luke-jr_> yeah
06:57 <TiTnAsS> do the city styles matter?
06:57 <luke-jr_> ?
06:58 <TiTnAsS> when you start a new game
06:58 <TiTnAsS> it has a selection of city styles
06:58 <TiTnAsS> o.o
06:59 <luke-jr_> graphics, I think
07:03 <DrJoeTron> hey
07:03 <DrJoeTron> why doesnt someone make a tron mod for this?
07:03 <TiTnAsS> ?
07:03 <DrJoeTron> conquer the pc world?
07:03 <DrJoeTron> fuck i dont know
07:03 <DrJoeTron> for freeciv
07:04 <DrJoeTron> i mean it IS opensource right?
07:05 <TiTnAsS> ?
07:05 <TiTnAsS> o.o
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07:06 <DrJoeTron> tit you got a ds
07:06 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: eh?
07:06 <luke-jr_> TRON-like graphics?
07:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:06 <DrJoeTron> and change the wording up
07:06 <DrJoeTron> change like nukes to virus
07:06 <DrJoeTron> shit like that
07:06 <DrJoeTron> haha i should be a producer
07:07 <luke-jr_> heh
07:07 <luke-jr_> we've only been playing a few days
07:07 <luke-jr_> but I like the idea
07:08 <luke-jr_> I'll probably mess with it in a minute or 2
07:13 <DrJoeTron> maybe i'll pitch in
07:13 <DrJoeTron> id like to to SOMETHING this time
07:13 <DrJoeTron> OH
07:13 <DrJoeTron> dibs on making the title
07:13 <DrJoeTron> erm
07:13 <DrJoeTron> the splash screen
07:13 <DrJoeTron> i calls it
07:15 <luke-jr_> ok
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07:25 <DrJoeTron> sweet :)
07:28 <TiTnAsS> (22:29:18) alienwarecrazy16: hey man
07:28 <TiTnAsS> (22:29:23) alienwarecrazy16: zup?
07:28 <TiTnAsS> (22:29:29) Nick TiTnAsS: podrt
07:28 <TiTnAsS> (22:29:31) Nick TiTnAsS: poser
07:28 <TiTnAsS> (22:29:37) alienwarecrazy16: dont be a ass titsnass
07:28 <TiTnAsS> ...
07:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:29 <DrJoeTron> oh man
07:29 <luke-jr_> tell him to pay me =
07:29 <luke-jr_> =p
07:29 <TiTnAsS> told him
07:29 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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07:30 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:13) alienwarecrazy16: i paid him
07:30 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:14) alienwarecrazy16: tell him that
07:30 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:14) alienwarecrazy16: rofl
07:30 <TiTnAsS> - -;
07:30 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:21) alienwarecrazy16: hes a retard if he doens't know how to check mail
07:30 <luke-jr_> =p
07:30 <luke-jr_> I doubt it
07:30 <luke-jr_> tho I didn't check today's mail
07:30 <TiTnAsS> go check your mail
07:30 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:30 <luke-jr_> I seriously doubt it tho
07:31 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:57) alienwarecrazy16: i paid him
07:31 <TiTnAsS> (22:31:59) alienwarecrazy16: trust me
07:38 <Vanhayes> spidey: you there?
07:38 <Vanhayes> spidey:
07:38 <Vanhayes> spidey:
07:41 <luke-jr_> nope, mailbox empty
07:42 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:42 <TiTnAsS> gg luke
07:42 <TiTnAsS> you been scammed
07:42 <TiTnAsS> payment first
07:42 <TiTnAsS> ^^
07:47 -!- Anthrax [n=spidey@68-112-91-195.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
07:47 <Anthrax> son
07:47 <Anthrax> of
07:48 <Anthrax> a
07:48 <Anthrax> fucking
07:48 <Anthrax> bitch
07:48 -!- Anthrax is now known as spidey_
07:48 <spidey_> hold on
07:48 <spidey_> fucking assholes
07:48 * spidey_ has a shitload of ip's to report to there isp
07:49 <spidey_> Vanhayes , Lucifer_arma luke-jr_?
07:49 <Vanhayes> join
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> rejoin
07:49 <spidey_> can't
07:49 <spidey_> i'm getting DDoS'd
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> ?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> ah
07:49 <luke-jr_> from what IP?
07:49 <spidey_> why i dunno
07:49 <spidey_> luke-jr_, it's a DDoS
07:49 <spidey_> lots of them
07:49 <spidey_> i'm logging them ;x
07:50 <spidey_> good thing i didn't replug my router or i wouldn't know wtf was going on -_-
07:50 <spidey_> man i was doing so good to :(
07:50 <spidey_> put my person on ai till i can rejoin :/
07:51 <GodTodd> it is...you're despicable now :/
07:51 <spidey_> -_-
07:51 <spidey_> don't kill me plz :D
07:51 <spidey_> i'ma try to reconnect to my bnc,brb
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07:52 <spidey_> -_- can't even resolve a domain
07:53 <spidey_> wonder if my isp has 24/7 support
07:53 <spidey_> i need a new ip,and i can't force a change for somereason
07:55 <spidey_> 24.159.64.193 64.71.165.195 201.128.165.54
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07:56 <spider> :/
07:57 <spider> comcast
07:57 <spider> dialup users
07:57 <spider> telus
07:57 <spider> even one from charter
07:58 <spider> wtf they DDoS'ing me from a dialup connection for :/
07:58 <spider> 200-91-198-244-dial-up.ifx.net.co
07:59 <spider> sbcglobal
07:59 <spider> 201-242-246-146.genericrev.cantv.net what isp is that
07:59 <spider> hey there's a verizon user O.o
08:03 <spider> Vanhayes Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ , is my bot doing ok? :(
08:03 <Vanhayes> he is dipicable
08:03 <Vanhayes> dispicable*
08:03 <luke-jr_> spider: no
08:03 <spider> >.<
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> no, he broke off our alliance. actually, I think luke did it when he took over your player
08:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer unjustly aggressed at me
08:03 <spider> wtf
08:03 <Vanhayes> I just took out luke though
08:03 <spider> that's no fair
08:03 <luke-jr_> indeed
08:04 <spider> good
08:04 <luke-jr_> no fair at all :(
08:04 <luke-jr_> jerks
08:04 <spider> now leave my bot alone :(
08:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
08:04 <spider> Lucifer_arma, what's your ip? i can't seem to resolve dns very well -_-
08:04 <TiTnAsS> poor spider
08:04 <TiTnAsS> loos like hes getting the shit end of the stick here
08:04 <TiTnAsS> ^^
08:04 <spider> he's logging incoming traffic
08:05 <spider> and making a list
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> 63.246.177.233
08:05 <spider> because,he is pissed :D
08:05 <luke-jr_> the list will be useless
08:05 <luke-jr_> they're just zombies
08:05 <spider> yes,but i can report them to there isp
08:06 <luke-jr_> they didn't do anything
08:06 <spider> and if they don't do anything,i'll take them from the guy
08:07 <spider> what's the use of using a dialup connection!?!
08:07 * spider goes to check how much bandwith he has left
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> spidey come back yet?
08:08 <spider> won't let me
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> ? what's the error?
08:09 <spider> timed out
08:09 <spider> took to long to respond
08:09 <spider> etc
08:09 <spider> what's the domain?
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> hm
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
08:09 <spider> hmm
08:09 <spider> this is weird
08:10 <spider> i'm receicing the packets
08:10 <spider> at my old ip
08:11 <spider> the tcp ones
08:11 <spider> udp is going to the current one
08:13 -!- spidey_ [n=spidey@68-112-91-195.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
08:13 <spider> http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledsp0.jpg
08:14 <spider> the destination host (me) is my old ip, :/
08:17 <spider> Lucifer_arma what port was it?
08:17 <spider> 5555?
08:17 <GodTodd> 5555
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> 5555
08:17 <spider> :(
08:18 <spider> ok
08:18 <spider> seems to have stopped now
08:18 <luke-jr_> why not change IP?
08:18 <luke-jr_> lol
08:18 <spider> duuuuuude
08:18 <spider> that's the point
08:18 <spider> didn't you see the destination ip,and my current one??
08:18 <spider> those packets where going to my old ip
08:18 <luke-jr_> you have cable right?
08:18 <luke-jr_> restart the modem =p
08:19 <spider> done have
08:19 <spider> long time ago :p
08:19 <luke-jr_> o
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08:27 <spidey> there
08:27 <spidey> let my router drop there connections
08:28 <spidey> bastards -_-
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:00:28 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 65.157.206.219
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:00:28 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 65.59.112.1
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:02 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 221.208.208.100
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:16 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 200.91.198.244
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:19 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 200.91.198.244
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:25 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 200.91.198.244
08:28 <luke-jr_> spidey: take control of Van, he's going to bed
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:37 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 24.72.140.169
08:28 <spidey> Thu Jan 1 00:01:37 1970 1 Blocked by DoS protection 200.91.198.244
08:28 <spidey> i love it :D
08:28 <luke-jr_> your clock is wrong
08:28 <spidey> it's the router
08:28 <luke-jr_> it's still wrong
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> you coming back spidey?
08:29 <spidey> i'll try again
08:29 <luke-jr_> take Vanhayes tho
08:29 <luke-jr_> and the reason you're at peace w/ me is cuz I bribed you and all
08:30 <Vanhayes> i have 2 cities
08:30 <spidey> trying
08:30 <Vanhayes> gave everything to luci
08:30 <spidey> lol
08:30 <spidey> still can't connect
08:30 <spidey> i'ma try a tron server
08:30 <spidey> brb
08:31 <spidey> nop
08:31 <spidey> e
08:31 <spidey> :(
08:33 <GodTodd> :(
08:37 <Vanhayes> #night
08:37 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:39 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
08:39 <armabot> spidey: [08:10:32] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
08:39 <TiTnAsS> omfg
08:39 <TiTnAsS> how embarassing
08:39 <spidey> ?
08:39 <TiTnAsS> i just failed lux tryout
08:39 <TiTnAsS> 2nd time
08:39 <TiTnAsS> today
08:39 <TiTnAsS> T_T
08:39 <TiTnAsS> my god
08:39 <TiTnAsS> asdf
08:39 <TiTnAsS> got nervous mid game
08:40 <spidey> damn it,i wanna play -_-
08:46 <spidey> Lucifer_arma game still going?
08:46 <luke-jr_> yes
08:46 <spidey> hmm
08:46 <spidey> you got a router?
08:46 <spidey> cause i think it blocked me :D
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is, and I don't think my router would block you
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's never blocked anyone before...
08:46 <spidey> i can't load a master server list
08:47 <spidey> i can connect to tron servers using custom connect though
08:47 <luke-jr_> there's 4 or 5 master servers
08:48 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: O.o
08:49 <luke-jr_> wtf
08:49 <GodTodd> oopsie
08:49 <GodTodd> heh
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08:50 <luke-jr_> ...
08:50 <GodTodd> restart, maybe?
08:50 <luke-jr_> guess so
08:50 <luke-jr_> -.-
08:50 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: ping
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08:51 <luke-jr_> ...
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> uhhhh, did the server just go down?
08:51 <luke-jr_> -.-
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm afraid to look
08:51 <luke-jr_> yes
08:51 <luke-jr_> well
08:51 <luke-jr_> I got d/c
08:52 <luke-jr_> it's down
08:52 <luke-jr_> unless network is
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's up again
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> remind me next time to run it in a screen session
08:52 <spidey> #last --nolimit
08:52 <armabot> spidey: [08:53:19] <Lucifer_arma> remind me next time to run it in a screen session, [08:53:10] <Lucifer_arma> it's up again, [08:53:08] <Lucifer_arma> er, [08:52:59] <luke-jr_> unless network is, [08:52:55] <luke-jr_> it's down, [08:52:48] <luke-jr_> I got d/c, [08:52:47] <luke-jr_> well, [08:52:42] <luke-jr_> yes, [08:52:39] <Lucifer_arma> I'm afraid to look, [08:52:31] <luke-jr_> -.-, [08:52:21] <Lucifer_arma> (50 more messages)
08:53 <spidey> #more
08:53 <armabot> spidey: uhhhh, did the server just go down?, [08:52:12] <luke-jr_> ..., [08:51:20] <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: ping, [08:51:11] <luke-jr_> -.-, [08:51:10] <luke-jr_> guess so, [08:51:00] <GodTodd> restart, maybe?, [08:50:54] <luke-jr_> ..., [08:50:38] <GodTodd> heh, [08:50:37] <GodTodd> oopsie, [08:50:32] <luke-jr_> wtf, [08:49:42] <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: O.o, [08:48:28] <luke-jr_> there's 4 or 5 master servers, [08:48:02] (49 more messages)
08:54 <spidey> hmm
08:54 <spidey> #more
08:54 <armabot> spidey: <spidey> i can connect to tron servers using custom connect though, [08:47:51] <spidey> i can't load a master server list, [08:47:48] <Lucifer_arma> it's never blocked anyone before..., [08:47:41] <Lucifer_arma> yes, it is, and I don't think my router would block you, [08:47:30] <spidey> cause i think it blocked me :D, [08:47:26] <spidey> you got a router?, [08:47:22] <spidey> hmm, [08:47:17] <luke-jr_> yes, (48 more messages)
08:55 <spidey> ok
08:55 <spidey> so is the game still going?
08:55 <spidey> #ping
08:55 <armabot> pong
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I got a right save game, but it looks like it's almost an hour old
08:58 <spidey> same port?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
08:58 <spidey> i don't understand why i can't connect to it -_-
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll look into it real quick and see what I can find
08:58 <spidey> your domain resolves when i ping it :(
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> can you visit my website?
09:00 <spidey> Firefox can't find the server at www.davefancella.com.
09:00 <spidey> i can load other sites though o.O
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I don't see any sort of automatic blocking thing in here
09:01 <spidey> is the freeciv server running on your webserver?
09:01 <spidey> maybe the firewall blocked me O.o
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is, and the firewall is iptables, doesn't do anything automatically
09:01 <spidey> :*
09:01 <spidey> :(
09:04 <spidey> Firefox can't find the server at www.davefancella.com.
09:04 <spidey> lol
09:04 <spidey> those are the only 2 sites that won't load
09:05 <TiTnAsS> WOW
09:05 <TiTnAsS> FINALLY
09:05 <TiTnAsS> THERE WE GO
09:05 <TiTnAsS> 3rd tryout i pass
09:05 <TiTnAsS> WTFZOR
09:05 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:05 <TiTnAsS> asdf
09:05 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: you wanna play?
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> he can come in as spidey :)
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'll stick around a bit, I suppose
09:06 <spidey> :(
09:06 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: o ok
09:06 <luke-jr_> spidey: have your problem fixed before luci leaves and maybe you can take him =p
09:06 <guru3> grrr
09:06 <guru3> compiling can't find glext.h Oo
09:07 <spidey> fix my problem??
09:07 <spidey> nothing i can do :<
09:07 <spidey> well
09:07 <spidey> there is one thing
09:07 <spidey> maybe
09:07 <spidey> brb
09:08 <luke-jr_> guru3: Freeciv FTW!
09:09 <luke-jr_> lol
09:11 <guru3> ?
09:11 <TiTnAsS> yayyyy
09:11 <TiTnAsS> nacl
09:11 <TiTnAsS> back
09:11 <TiTnAsS> *
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> come on, take over spidey's ai
09:11 <TiTnAsS> luke
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09:11 <TiTnAsS> did it just restart?
09:11 <spidey_> well
09:12 <spidey_> Lucifer_arma what's the link again?
09:12 <TiTnAsS> i can try to take his over
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
09:12 <TiTnAsS> luci
09:12 <TiTnAsS> if he cant get in
09:12 <TiTnAsS> can i try?
09:12 <TiTnAsS> o.O
09:12 <luke-jr_> yes
09:12 <luke-jr_> go
09:12 <spidey_> if i can't get in i'm going dialup!
09:12 <spidey_> and
09:12 <spidey_> dialup it is
09:12 <spidey_> brb
09:12 <spidey_> wait
09:12 <spidey_> no phoneline upstairs
09:13 <spidey_> :/
09:13 <luke-jr_> lol
09:13 <luke-jr_> dialup over voip!
09:13 <spidey_> haha
09:14 <luke-jr_> I know from experience that doesn't work, btw
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09:22 <luke-jr_> spidey_: liar
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09:23 <spidey_> so is joe
09:23 <spidey_> well not anymore
09:23 <spidey_> lol
09:23 <TiTnAsS> o.O
09:23 <TiTnAsS> spidey
09:23 <TiTnAsS> psst
09:23 <TiTnAsS> what do i do with your stuff
09:23 <TiTnAsS> :D
09:23 <luke-jr_> lol
09:23 <luke-jr_> declare war on wrtl? =p
09:23 <TiTnAsS> heres my current stratagy
09:23 <TiTnAsS> i more a settler in circles
09:23 <luke-jr_> cuz he's TAKING SO LONG TO TURN
09:23 <TiTnAsS> and keep clicking turn done
09:23 <luke-jr_> =p
09:23 <TiTnAsS> >.<
09:24 <TiTnAsS> i should give it back to the ai
09:24 <TiTnAsS> and let it kill luke
09:24 <TiTnAsS> :D
09:24 <luke-jr_> it's far away, thankfully
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> easy for him to say, the ai declared war on me
09:24 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:25 <TiTnAsS> oops
09:25 <TiTnAsS> almost forgot to move my setller in another circle
09:25 <luke-jr_> lol
09:25 <TiTnAsS> >.<
09:25 <TiTnAsS> settler
09:25 <luke-jr_> circle?
09:25 <TiTnAsS> line
09:25 <TiTnAsS> T_T
09:25 <TiTnAsS> stfu
09:25 <TiTnAsS> o.O
09:25 <TiTnAsS> stuff keeps blowing up
09:25 <TiTnAsS> LOL
09:26 <spidey_> #g 26*6
09:26 <armabot> 26 * 6 = 156
09:26 <spidey_> liar
09:27 <spidey_> #g 26*26*26*26*26*26
09:27 <armabot> 26 * 26 * 26 * 26 * 26 * 26 = 308,915,776
09:27 <TiTnAsS> ..
09:27 <spidey_> #g 308,915,776/500
09:27 <armabot> 308,915,776 / 500 = 617,831.552
09:27 <spidey_> wow
09:27 <TiTnAsS> #g h*7
09:27 <armabot> Planck's constant * 7 = 4.6382476 * 10^(-33) m^(2) kg / s
09:27 <TiTnAsS> yeah
09:27 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
09:27 <TiTnAsS> o.o
09:27 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:27 <spidey_> i could crack my modem password in 617,831.552 seconds if it only contains a-z lowercase
09:27 <TiTnAsS> spidey
09:28 <TiTnAsS> your units are gay
09:28 <TiTnAsS> they wont go in complete circles
09:28 <spidey_> #g 617,831.552/60
09:28 <armabot> 617,831.552 / 60 = 10,297.1925
09:28 <spidey_> 10 thousands mines
09:28 <spidey_> O.o
09:28 <spidey_> #g 10,297/60
09:28 <armabot> 10,297 / 60 = 171.616667
09:28 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:28 <TiTnAsS> 171 hours
09:28 <spidey_> i'll pass
09:28 <TiTnAsS> haha
09:28 <TiTnAsS> brute force?
09:28 <TiTnAsS> o.o
09:29 <spidey_> that's if it's only >6 letters and only a-z lowercase
09:29 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:29 <TiTnAsS> come back to freeciv now
09:29 <TiTnAsS> im a bad placeholder
09:29 <TiTnAsS> and something just blew up
09:29 <spidey_> i can't
09:29 <TiTnAsS> and im not sure what..
09:29 <spidey_> prob got nuked
09:29 <spidey_> lol
09:29 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:29 <TiTnAsS> sounded like a gun
09:29 <TiTnAsS> and then some of the highlighted place disapeared
09:30 <TiTnAsS> would that be people taking over my area ?
09:30 <TiTnAsS> i bet its lucifer
09:30 <TiTnAsS> that bastard
09:30 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:30 <luke-jr_> O.o
09:30 <spidey_> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www
09:30 <armabot> spidey_: [09:13:03] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's either todd, wrtlprnft, or some barbarians we saw wondering around earlier
09:31 <spidey_> argh
09:31 <spidey_> i wanna play!!!!!
09:31 <spidey_> i was doing good to :<
09:31 <TiTnAsS> barbarians?
09:31 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
09:31 <TiTnAsS> LOL
09:31 <TiTnAsS> trust me spidey
09:31 <TiTnAsS> you aint doin good anymore
09:31 <TiTnAsS> for about 15 turns your guys have been walking back and forth
09:31 <spidey_> not my fault the AI sucks
09:31 <TiTnAsS> :D
09:32 <TiTnAsS> mp
09:32 <TiTnAsS> no
09:32 <TiTnAsS> its me
09:32 <TiTnAsS> not the ai
09:32 <TiTnAsS> and something just blew up again..
09:32 <spidey_> it was the AI first
09:32 <TiTnAsS> note, the lit up area
09:32 <TiTnAsS> keeps getting smaller and smaller
09:32 <TiTnAsS> what am i supposed to do?
09:32 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:32 <TiTnAsS> spma
09:32 <TiTnAsS> spam from me :D
09:32 <TiTnAsS> when im happy i spam T_T
09:32 <TiTnAsS> and i FINALLY on 3rd try passed the lux tryout
09:32 <luke-jr_> rofl
09:33 <TiTnAsS> 3 tryouts... im a sad person..
09:33 <spidey_> A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond
09:33 <spidey_> after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host
09:33 <spidey_> has failed to respond.
09:33 <TiTnAsS> my new goal: to take over one of those whales!
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09:34 <TiTnAsS> sup z
09:34 <TiTnAsS> o.o
09:34 <TiTnAsS> come take over spidey in freeciv?
09:34 <GodTodd> what os you running, spidey?
09:34 <spidey_> windows
09:34 <GodTodd> k...that narrows it down to a half dozen :P
09:34 <spidey_> xp?
09:35 <GodTodd> try resetting tcp/ip?
09:35 <spidey_> i rebooted
09:36 <spidey_> didn't help
09:36 <GodTodd> that's not what i said
09:36 <GodTodd> :P
09:36 <spidey_> what's the difference? :p
09:36 <guru3> hmmm
09:36 <GodTodd> one resets the net stack and the other turns off and back on
09:36 <guru3> how to rip out 3d...
09:36 <GodTodd> :P
09:36 <luke-jr_> guru3: mod Freeciv
09:36 <spidey_> -_-
09:37 <spidey_> ok ok hold on
09:37 <guru3> what the hell are you talking about luke
09:37 <luke-jr_> ROFL
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09:37 <luke-jr_> guru3: if you haven't noticed, the game on topic here isn't Arma the past few days
09:37 <luke-jr_> It's Freeciv =p
09:38 <guru3> well sucks to that
09:38 <guru3> i think i'm gonna try and do a pure 2d display for tron
09:38 <GodTodd> spidey: in cmd ---> netsh int ip reset resetlog.txt
09:38 <luke-jr_> someone already suggested how
09:38 <guru3> or client i should say
09:38 <luke-jr_> just remove the GL stuff and leave the HUD
09:39 <guru3> removing all the gl stuff
09:39 <guru3> is tricky
09:39 <luke-jr_> is it? =p
09:39 <guru3> it's fucking everywhere
09:39 <luke-jr_> ok, so mod Freeciv
09:39 <luke-jr_> =p
09:39 <guru3> hmmmm
09:39 <guru3> no.
09:39 <TiTnAsS> tank
09:39 <guru3> time to write a script that removes every #ifndef DEDICATED codeblock
09:39 <guru3> that's the best idea i have for stripping gl
09:40 <TiTnAsS> come take over spidey
09:40 <luke-jr_> guru3: ...
09:40 <TiTnAsS> in freeciv
09:40 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:40 <guru3> sadly that'll also remove sound
09:40 <luke-jr_> guru3: just -DDEDICATED!
09:40 <luke-jr_> who needs sound
09:40 <luke-jr_> not like it works anyway
09:40 <guru3> what's -DDEDICATED do?
09:41 <spidey> ok
09:41 <spidey> i'm not listening to GodTodd anymore
09:41 <guru3> that's ok we don't listen to you either spidey
09:41 <spidey> i already knew that
09:42 <GodTodd> just trying to help...sheesh
09:42 <spidey> i know :p
09:42 * GodTodd shuts up now.
09:42 <luke-jr_> guru3: defines DEDICATED
09:42 <guru3> yeah
09:42 <guru3> but all the #ifdefs dedicated will be triggered
09:42 <guru3> don't want that :/
09:42 <spidey> now it won't even let me resolve irc.freenode.org :<
09:42 <TiTnAsS> off to lux i go
09:42 <TiTnAsS> T_T
09:42 <spidey> luckily it was nice and let me connect to my bnc
09:43 <luke-jr_> spidey: come back and play
09:43 <spidey> luke-jr_ i CAN'T!
09:43 <luke-jr_> guru3: why not?
09:43 <luke-jr_> spidey: do it anyway
09:43 <spidey> -_-
09:43 <guru3> if dedicated is triggered it'll do all that server shit
09:43 <guru3> don't want that
09:43 <guru3> i want a client without output ><
09:44 <luke-jr_> bah
09:44 <luke-jr_> just rewrite Arma in Python
09:44 <luke-jr_> that'll make Luci happy
09:44 <guru3> of course i'll also have a client without input too...
09:44 <guru3> i'll never understand the network protocol in a million years :/
09:44 <luke-jr_> use Ethereal
09:45 <guru3> think i haven't tried?
09:45 <luke-jr_> shrug
09:45 <guru3> need to add support for nested ifs in my #ifndef dedicated stripper
09:48 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
09:48 <armabot> spidey: [09:13:03] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
09:48 <spidey> Lucifer_arma your lastname is to hard to remember O.o
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any trouble with it
09:49 <GodTodd> nah it's not
09:49 <GodTodd> then again i have a couple decades of practice heh
09:49 <luke-jr_> mine is just abnormal =p\
09:50 <GodTodd> mines 4 letters and people still misspell it and mispronounce it :/
09:50 <GodTodd> and no, it's not dick
09:50 <GodTodd> :P
09:50 <GodTodd> heh
09:50 <spidey> mine's 5 letters
09:51 <spidey> luke-jr_ you playing freeciv rightn ow?
09:51 <spidey> now
09:51 <luke-jr_> yes
09:51 <luke-jr_> mine's 3 characters
09:51 <spidey> todd are you?
09:51 <luke-jr_> he is too
09:51 <GodTodd> yep
09:51 <spidey> -_-
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09:52 <luke-jr_> z-man-home: Wanna play for spidey?
09:52 <z-man-home> naa, no time, sorry
09:52 <luke-jr_> boo
09:52 * GodTodd forgot he was supposed to shut up. :P
09:52 <z-man-home> just repaired my home net, need to be off to work
09:53 <z-man-home> stupit rp-pppoe-3.8 froze my router pc, and I didn't have the previous version locally anymore. That was fun :)
09:53 <luke-jr_> >.>
09:53 <luke-jr_> skip work to play =D
09:59 <spidey> #g 20,000mb in GB
09:59 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:59 <spidey> #g 20,000MB in GB
09:59 <armabot> 20,000 megabytes = 19.53125 gigabytes
09:59 <guru3> woo script sucessfully remvoes #ifndefs
09:59 <spidey> #g 20GB in MB
10:00 <armabot> 20 gigabytes = 20,480 megabytes
10:00 <guru3> now to write a shell to run it on all source files
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10:07 <guru3> script running >:D
10:07 <guru3> distclean & reconfig now
10:08 <guru3> making
10:08 <guru3> dies on rTexture.h
10:10 <guru3> how to fix the render source...
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10:14 <spidey_> hm
10:14 <spidey_> Linux version 2.6.15-25-386 (root@mepis-party) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 19 00:05:53 EDT 2006
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10:32 <spidey> psh
10:32 <spidey> stupid thing wouldn't format the partition -_-
10:32 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
10:32 <armabot> spidey: [09:13:03] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
10:32 <GodTodd> #night
10:32 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
10:33 <spidey> YAY
10:33 <spidey> i can load luci's site
10:33 * spidey tries to connect
10:33 <GodTodd> games on hold til tomorrow tho :P
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> I just realized something
10:34 <spidey> me to
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are doing auto-settler, aren't you?
10:34 <spidey> server's not up
10:34 <spidey> but i can connect!!!!
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, saved it
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> we'll pick it up tomorrow sometime
10:34 <spidey> am i still on it?
10:34 <spidey> :(
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> ask wrtlprnft, he was the one dealing with your ai
10:34 <spidey> hmm
10:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft did you break me?
10:34 <wrtlprnft> i troubled you a bit :P
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully luke was able to recover some, I gave him a couple of his cities back
10:34 <spidey> trouble? :s
10:35 <spidey> wait
10:35 <spidey> hmmm
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not pity either. I think we jumped the gun attacking him, I wasn't ready.
10:35 <spidey> i switched the ethernet cables
10:35 <spidey> now i can load master servers
10:35 <spidey> O.o
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> now I've got a nice, strong civilization I can go to war with, only I'm not building for war
10:35 <wrtlprnft> your AI built huge cities
10:35 <spidey> ?
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, I want to grab a good save of this to pick up sometime as a war scenario :)
10:35 <spidey> i already had huge ones
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> huge? population 8 isn't huge
10:36 <wrtlprnft> 10
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> your city isn't huge until you start polluting
10:36 <spidey> was it that lead or leed city?
10:36 <wrtlprnft> lucky you, luci, i had to build for war
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got one at 10 now :)
10:36 <wrtlprnft> or that ai would have flattened me
10:36 <spidey> because i built a aquduct there onpurpose
10:36 <spidey> :p
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's spidey's fault, really
10:36 <spidey> no
10:36 <spidey> before i got dos'd i was building for war
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> see, that ai was our ally, and we prepared to go to war, and when we made the first moves, spidey disappeared
10:37 <spidey> i was gonna start the next round
10:37 <spidey> :p
10:37 <spidey> ask van
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> literally, me and van started moving and spidey disappeared
10:37 <spidey> i would have been able to whipe luke out at that time
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> not that I was moving much, I wasn't ready :/
10:37 <TiTnAsS> LuXuryyyy
10:37 <TiTnAsS> o.o
10:37 <spidey> ??
10:38 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm gonna go to alpha centauri
10:38 <wrtlprnft> let you guys fight your war yourselves
10:38 <spidey> lol
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I intend to have enough cities to stall you if necessary :)
10:38 * spidey wants his damn alliance back
10:38 <spidey> -_-
10:38 <spidey> wrtlprnft did any of the cities get lost?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> I just built 4 new ones. Nice thing about settling later in the game is that you can build the whole city before the settlers get there
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> looked like he took them back
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> er, I don't know if he took any of yours
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I suspect that ai was preparing an air strike
10:39 <TiTnAsS> spide
10:39 <TiTnAsS> y
10:39 <TiTnAsS> did you get back on?
10:39 <spidey> finally
10:39 <spidey> but
10:39 <spidey> the game is on hold now
10:39 <spidey> :/
10:39 <TiTnAsS> was all your shit gone?
10:39 <TiTnAsS> o.O
10:39 <TiTnAsS> on hold?
10:39 <spidey> pause
10:39 <luke-jr_> ...
10:39 <spidey> held off till later
10:39 <TiTnAsS> why?
10:39 <TiTnAsS> ..
10:39 <spidey> ask Lucifer_arma :p
10:39 <luke-jr_> sleep
10:39 <TiTnAsS> o_O
10:40 <TiTnAsS> i just got done playing a lux game
10:40 <TiTnAsS> /bragging rights
10:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, i'm always finished off with sience
10:40 <TiTnAsS> even though none of you know what im talking about
10:40 <TiTnAsS> :D
10:40 <wrtlprnft> then i can put all that effort in tac and luxury
10:40 <wrtlprnft> *tax
10:40 <spidey> ewwww
10:40 <spidey> skrew luxury
10:40 <spidey> communism and full tax is the best for war
10:40 <wrtlprnft> if you do you get revolts
10:41 <spidey> no
10:41 <TiTnAsS> ...
10:41 <TiTnAsS> lol
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to get some folks to take the world map to a point where we have some pretty advanced civilizations all roughly equal to each other, then save it off
10:41 <TiTnAsS> i wasnt even talking about this game
10:41 <TiTnAsS> lol
10:41 <spidey> for war switch to communism for government
10:41 <wrtlprnft> you still do with communism
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> so we can use it to play a war game later on
10:41 <spidey> no
10:41 * Lucifer_arma always preferred monarchy for government
10:41 <spidey> i never had
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> for war
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> democracy for peace, monarchy for war
10:41 <spidey> well
10:41 <TiTnAsS> this is sad
10:41 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i spided the crap out of some of spidey's cities
10:41 <spidey> to bad this game doesn't have fundamentalist for government
10:42 <spidey> that's perfect for war
10:42 <TiTnAsS> the armagetron guys dont even play tron nemore..
10:42 <TiTnAsS> they play...freeciv
10:42 <wrtlprnft> TiTnAsS: right now, yeah
10:42 <spidey> i suck at tron now
10:42 <wrtlprnft> *spied
10:42 <spidey> >.<
10:42 <TiTnAsS> ima go play me some good ol fashioned tron
10:42 <TiTnAsS> !
10:42 <TiTnAsS> err..
10:42 <TiTnAsS> to boring
10:42 <TiTnAsS> nvm
10:42 <spidey> i would join
10:42 <spidey> but i suck
10:42 <TiTnAsS> no good servers now days
10:42 <TiTnAsS> who cares if you suck
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> I dont' even know how to play tron anymore
10:42 <TiTnAsS> find me a good server and we can maze :D
10:42 <TiTnAsS> luci
10:42 <spidey> i have 3 server
10:42 <TiTnAsS> got an empty server?
10:42 <spidey> 2 are always up,they're good
10:43 <spidey> :p
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I took mine down
10:43 <TiTnAsS> any with NORMAL settings?
10:43 <spidey> yes
10:43 <TiTnAsS> whats the cycle_delay?
10:43 <spidey> DogFight
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> it might come back up as a freeciv server, though :)
10:43 <spidey> .01
10:43 <TiTnAsS> everyone
10:43 <TiTnAsS> gogo
10:43 <TiTnAsS> dogfight
10:43 <TiTnAsS> server
10:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
10:43 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com
10:43 <spidey> stats are there :p
10:43 <spidey> 4 people in my fortress server
10:44 <TiTnAsS> usdogfight
10:44 <TiTnAsS> right?
10:44 <spidey> ya
10:44 <TiTnAsS> gogo
10:44 <spidey> lol
10:44 <spidey> k
10:45 <TiTnAsS> luci come to?
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> nyet
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10:56 <spidey> #armaconfig rubber
10:56 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER: Additional niceness for high ping players (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (11 more messages)
10:57 <spidey> #more
10:57 <armabot> spidey: (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_LEGACY: Revert to old, framerate dependant and old-clients-ripping, rubber code if old clients are present. Old means <= (10 more messages)
11:03 <spidey> #more
11:03 <armabot> spidey: 0.2.7.0 here. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TIME: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINADJUST: When adjusting to or 180ing into a wall, allow going closer by at least this amount (relative to the last (9 more messages)
11:16 <TiTnAsS> #google lux
11:16 <armabot> TiTnAsS: Search took 0.26 seconds: Strategy and Risk games for Mac OS X and Windows XP: <http://sillysoft.net/>; Lux Delux - The best Risk game there is! Multiplayer online play ...: <http://sillysoft.net/lux/>; Lux Products Corporation | Thermostats, Timers, Range Parts and ...: <http://www.luxproducts.com/>; Lux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux>; LUX: (1 more message)
11:16 <TiTnAsS> o.o
11:17 <TiTnAsS> lol..
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11:28 <spidey_> man
11:28 <spidey_> this is some retarded shit
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> what happened now?
11:28 <spidey_> now my isp is being gay
11:28 <spidey_> i was in the middle of a game
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> your isp is sleeping with people of the same sex?
11:28 <spidey_> then i dropped off the internet
11:28 <spidey_> checked the packets
11:29 <spidey_> nothing abnormal
11:29 <spidey_> so i'm calling in the morning and bitching like i haven't before -_-
11:29 <spidey_> if they're gonna offer internet service they need to put in the fucking ToS that the connection is only good from 7am to 8pm
11:29 <spidey_> this is b/s
11:30 <spidey_> everynight,only tonight is worse -_-
11:31 <spidey_> can't even connect to my bnc again :(
11:32 <spidey_> watch this
11:32 <spidey_> i'm going to bitch my ex-gameserver hosts out
11:32 <spidey_> they took $28 and never gave me the other 2 months -_-
11:33 * spidey_ tries to remember the irc server
11:34 <spidey_> why would they have a tech support channel on there irc server,with noone in it
11:34 <spidey_> -_-
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> awww, they don't plan to put a map editor in the client until 2.2
11:40 <spidey_> ??
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> no reason to finish building the beta
11:40 <spidey_> what?
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> map editor is a dead end. :( I guess the alternative is to just play the game and then save it, and use the save game to pick it up again
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like that, that means it'll take hours and hours to make it with no guarantee it'll be right. :(
11:49 <wrtlprnft> just put equeally strong ais on equeal islands and let them play a bit in peace?
11:53 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
11:53 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies ... done!
11:53 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild R ] games-strategy/freeciv-2.0.8-r1 USE="alsa esd gtk nls readline sdl -Xaw3d -dedicated" 0 kB
11:53 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
11:53 <spidey_> unix rules:
11:53 <spidey_> #1 root is god
11:53 <spidey_> #2 god creates features no mistakes
11:53 <spidey_> #3 if a mistake occours --> use rule #1
11:53 <spidey_> lol
11:55 <wrtlprnft> anyone wanna play freeciv?
11:55 <spidey_> sure
11:55 <wrtlprnft> server?
11:56 <spidey_> gimme about 10 minutes
11:56 <spidey_> i want icecream
11:56 <spidey_> :D
11:56 <wrtlprnft> ok
11:56 <wrtlprnft> i'm on port 5560, there will be an AI
12:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why not use the external map editor?
12:04 <spidey_> ok
12:04 <spidey_> here i come :D
12:08 <luke-jr_> blah
12:08 <luke-jr_> making a tileset is a lot of work
12:08 <luke-jr_> :|
12:08 <luke-jr_> y'all had better use it when I'm done
12:13 <spidey_> haha
12:13 <spidey_> but
12:13 <spidey_> i like the world one
12:14 <luke-jr_> ...
12:14 <luke-jr_> tileset, not map
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12:36 <seckmer> hello
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm going to bed
12:38 <seckmer> hey anybody here?
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15:56 <ghableska> hello
16:37 <wrtlprnft> hi
16:38 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ and me just had a fun freeciv match
16:38 <wrtlprnft> we were the only countries and ended up making an alliance
16:39 <wrtlprnft> with ended the game, he had more military and area, i had more science and population
16:39 <wrtlprnft> 1000 years before the end
16:39 <spidey_> mall civilizations of ten cities or less cannot suffer civil war, and under similar circumstances simply fall into anarchy instead.
16:39 <spidey_> good thing i never get more than 7-8 in a real game
16:39 <spidey_> :D
16:39 <guru3> ive never played civilization
16:40 <spidey_> it's freeciv
16:40 <guru3> haven't played it either
16:40 <spidey_> the open source version i think o.O
16:41 <wrtlprnft> freeciv is GPL
16:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, i'll be gone for a while now.
16:41 <spidey_> me to
16:41 <spidey_> sleep time
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17:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: btw you're right that roads on small harbour cities don't increase trade, as the water gives more trade points and the city will usually choose those to work on (you can still change it). Grassland, Plains, Desert, Tundra and Hills all gain one trade point from a road though
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17:31 <spidey_> well
17:31 <spidey_> i thought i was gonna sleep
17:31 <spidey_> but my uncle brought me cigarettes
17:31 <spidey_> so i'll stay up a bit more
17:32 <wrtlprnft> x_X
17:32 <spidey_> wrtlprnft, yes, but water still produces the most science :)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> nice uncle you have
17:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: some things produce more
17:32 <spidey_> ya
17:32 <wrtlprnft> maybe he wants you to die before him
17:32 <spidey_> i'm talking about non-buildings
17:33 <spidey_> water produces the most without anything special
17:33 <spidey_> with librarys and such it increases
17:33 <spidey_> making oceanborder cities the best researching ones
17:33 <spidey_> :)
17:33 <spidey_> speaking of dying
17:33 <spidey_> i have a funeral to goto tomorrow
17:33 <spidey_> and i don't have anytihng nice to wear
17:33 <wrtlprnft> hope it's not yours
17:33 <spidey_> my aunt died
17:34 <spidey_> well
17:34 <spidey_> great aunt
17:34 <spidey_> however that'd work -_-
17:34 <wrtlprnft> because your uncle gave her cigarettes too?
17:34 <spidey_> no,she died of stomach cancer
17:34 <wrtlprnft> maybe she ate the cigarettes?
17:34 <spidey_> >.<
17:35 <spidey_> it's not funny!
17:35 <wrtlprnft> true
17:35 <wrtlprnft> am i laughing?
17:35 <spidey_> close enough -_-
17:36 <spidey_> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 91 times.
17:36 <spidey_> For example, like this:
17:36 <spidey_> * spidey slaps wrtlprnft around a bit with a large chockie cheesecake in a dreamy raspberry sauce... :)
17:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma and i should make an alliance against you. We don't slap each other but regularily rename ourselves to slap you
17:38 <wrtlprnft> and in case you're sleping we rename to spidey_ or spidey and slap spidey
17:39 <spidey_> http://streams.davefancella.com:8000/ 12 Lucifer_arma
17:39 <spidey_> Lucifer_arma, why not point it to the ip/port ??
17:39 <spidey_> so it'd be streams.domain
17:39 <spidey_> instead of streams.domain:port
17:40 <spidey_> wrtlprnft i'm catching upto you and Lucifer_arma in number of lines
17:40 <spidey_> last time i think i was 23k lines away from you
17:40 <spidey_> now i'm 17k :D
17:42 <wrtlprnft> i know
17:42 <wrtlprnft> you talk to much BS
17:42 <spidey_> lol
17:42 <spidey_> luke-jr_ ping
17:42 <wrtlprnft> *too
17:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ ping
17:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ ping
17:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ ping
17:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ ping
17:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey_ ping
17:42 <spidey_> -_-
17:42 <spidey_> -_-
17:42 <spidey_> -_-
17:42 <spidey_> -_-
17:42 <spidey_> -_-
17:43 <spidey_> that guy still hasn't responded about the soldat source :(
17:43 <wrtlprnft> "What shall we do?" said Twoflower.
17:43 <wrtlprnft> "Panic?" said Rincewind hopefully. He always held that panic was
17:43 <wrtlprnft> the best means of survival; back in the olden days, his theory went, people
17:43 <wrtlprnft> faced with hungry sabretoothed tigers could be divided very simply into
17:43 <wrtlprnft> those who panicked and those who stood there saying "What a magnificent
17:43 <wrtlprnft> brute!" and "Here, pussy."
17:43 <wrtlprnft> -- Terry Pratchett, "The Light Fantastic"
17:43 <wrtlprnft> Do you guys know we just passed thru a BLACK HOLE in space?
17:43 <wrtlprnft> I've found my niche. If you're wondering why I'm not there, there was
17:43 <wrtlprnft> this little hole in the bottom ...
17:43 <wrtlprnft> -- John Croll
17:43 <wrtlprnft> i love /exec -o fortune
17:44 <spidey_> i wonder how my mrc scripting is now days
17:44 <spidey_> 1-2 years ago i used to be good at it
17:44 * spidey_ goes to make a exec script
17:50 <spidey_> argh
17:50 <spidey_> i forgot how to laod scripts
17:50 <spidey_> wait
17:51 <spidey_> * Loaded script 'C:\D\warez\stuff\3segment\exec.mrc'
17:51 <spidey_> :D
17:51 <spidey_> now lets see
17:51 <spidey_> exec test
17:51 <spidey_> hmm
17:51 <wrtlprnft> i should run /exec -o test :d
17:52 <spidey_> exec -o test
17:52 <wrtlprnft> err
17:52 <wrtlprnft> i should run /exec -o yes :d
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18:05 <spidey_> ok
18:05 <spidey_> i'm not sure how good this'll work
18:05 <spidey_> !uptime
18:05 <spidey_> hmm
18:05 <spidey_> someone type !uptime :D
18:06 <wrtlprnft> 18:06:25 up 2 days, 9:16, 7 users, load average: 0.14, 0.35, 0.41
18:06 <spidey_> -_-
18:06 <spidey_> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 39mins 17secs Best: 7hrs 39mins 17secs
18:06 <spidey_> hmm
18:07 <spidey_> wrtlprnft type !uptime in the channel
18:07 * wrtlprnft types "!uptime in the channel"
18:07 <spidey_> :|
18:07 <spidey_> !uptime
18:07 <spidey_> gah
18:08 <spidey_> moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) uptime: 7hrs 40mins 35secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2193MHz (2% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller 64MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 503/503MB (100%) hdd: C:\ 21.09GB/91.76GB Free F:\ 7.8GB/12.72GB Free net: - 0MB/s In, Out
18:08 <spidey_> mm
18:08 <spidey_> works
18:08 <spidey_> i tihnk
18:08 <spidey_> wrtl!
18:08 <spidey_> !uptime
18:08 <spidey_> do it
18:08 <spidey_> -_-
18:09 <wrtlprnft> ?uptime
18:09 <wrtlprnft> !rm -rf /
18:09 <spidey_> windows...
18:09 <wrtlprnft> !deltree c:\
18:09 <spidey_> windows xp...
18:09 <spidey_> deltree is ancient
18:10 <spidey_> watch
18:10 <spidey_> F:\>deltree
18:10 <spidey_> 'deltree' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
18:10 <spidey_> operable program or batch file.
18:11 <wrtlprnft> what do i know
18:12 <wrtlprnft> del doesn't remove directories afaik
18:12 <wrtlprnft> !format c:
18:12 <wrtlprnft> !format c: /y
18:12 <spidey_> deltree C:\*.* /y
18:12 <spidey_> that worked in windows 08
18:12 <spidey_> 98*
18:13 <spidey_> F:\>format F:
18:13 <spidey_> The type of the file system is NTFS.
18:13 <spidey_> WARNING, ALL DATA ON NON-REMOVABLE DISK
18:13 <spidey_> DRIVE F: WILL BE LOST!
18:13 <spidey_> Proceed with Format (Y/N)?
18:13 <spidey_> :s
18:14 <spidey_> wrtlprnft do !uptime
18:14 <wrtlprnft> WARNING: THIS PARTITION CONTAINS A COPY OF WINDOWS
18:14 <wrtlprnft> I WILL NOT ASK YOU TO CONFIRM SINCE IT'S A GOOD THING TO ERASE IT ANYWAYS
18:14 <spidey_> lol
18:14 <spidey> !uptime
18:14 <spidey_> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 47mins 10secs Best: 7hrs 47mins 10secs
18:14 <spidey> yay
18:14 <wrtlprnft> PRESS Y TO CONTINUE, N TO CONTINUE TWICE AS FAST
18:15 <wrtlprnft> PRESS M FOR MAYBE TO GET A 50% CHANCE OF CANCELLING
18:16 <wrtlprnft> IF IT DOESN'T CANCEL IT WILL INSTANTLY MAKE YOUR COMPUTER DISAPPER
18:16 <wrtlprnft> IT WAS TIME FOR A NEW ONE ANYWAYS
18:16 <spidey> DNS zion
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18:17 <wrtlprnft> !reboot
18:17 <wrtlprnft> !taskman
18:17 <wrtlprnft> !stupidthing
18:18 <spidey> !DNS zion
18:18 <spidey> !DNS 64.233.167.99
18:19 <spidey> hmm
18:19 <spidey_> [12:20] * /traceip: Going to trace 1 IP or Host...
18:19 <spidey_> lol
18:22 <Vanhayes> hey spidey or spidey_ who won that freeciv game last night? I know luke-jr_ didnt, but did Lucifer_arma or GodTodd win?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it got saved
18:22 <spidey_> no
18:22 <spidey_> it's saved
18:22 <Vanhayes> ... damn
18:23 <Vanhayes> i gave all my cities to lucifer
18:23 <Vanhayes> if id known it was going to be saved I wouldnt have done that
18:23 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:23 <wrtlprnft> umm, but you were still alive
18:23 * Vanhayes destroyed luke-jr_
18:23 <Vanhayes> I had 1 city left
18:23 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:23 <wrtlprnft> then that's another game
18:23 <Vanhayes> gave 25-30 to lucifer
18:24 <wrtlprnft> or no, i think he gave them back to me
18:24 <spidey> !DNS
18:24 <wrtlprnft> !STFU
18:24 <Vanhayes> lol were you rome?
18:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:24 <Vanhayes> ya probly same game then
18:24 <wrtlprnft> with spidey taking over some of my cities, i spied the hell outta them
18:24 <spidey_> lol
18:24 <wrtlprnft> with goddtodd being USA and luci something in the south
18:24 <Vanhayes> lol nice, was spidey still ai?
18:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:24 <spidey_> YES
18:24 <Vanhayes> he was zulu
18:24 <spidey_> fucking thing
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18:25 <wrtlprnft> !ItDoesntWorkHaHA!
18:25 <wrtlprnft> !LaughsAtSpidey!
18:25 <spidey> !uptime
18:25 <spidey_> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 58mins 11secs Best: 7hrs 58mins 11secs
18:25 <spidey> pwned
18:25 <Vanhayes> !uptime
18:25 <spidey_> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 58mins 19secs Best: 7hrs 58mins 19secs
18:25 <spidey> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 58mins 19secs Best: 7hrs 58mins 19secs
18:26 <Vanhayes> !uptime
18:26 <spidey_> WindowsXP Uptime: 7hrs 58mins 25secs Best: 7hrs 58mins 25secs
18:26 <spidey> 'er
18:26 <Vanhayes> !uptime
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18:26 <wrtlprnft> 18:27:12 up 27 days, 20:24, 6 users, load average: 0.79, 0.42, 0.28
18:26 <wrtlprnft> your pathetic windows box can't beat that
18:26 <Vanhayes> lol
18:26 <wrtlprnft> Best is over 100 days
18:26 <spidey> wanna bet?
18:26 <spidey> i've did better than 27days
18:26 <spidey> on windows
18:26 <wrtlprnft> it can beat 27, but not 100
18:27 <spidey> maybe
18:27 <spidey> depends
18:27 <spidey> but MINE never will
18:27 <wrtlprnft> and to beat my server it would have to restart first
18:27 <spidey> because 1
18:27 <spidey> power likes to go out alot
18:27 <wrtlprnft> get a notebook.
18:27 <spidey> 2 people keep pressing the friggin power button
18:27 <spidey> 3 my uncle flips the breakers on purpose
18:27 <spidey> -_-
18:27 <wrtlprnft> keep people away from your power button.
18:28 <wrtlprnft> get a notebook.
18:28 <spidey> send me $1,000 USD and i will
18:28 <spidey> notebooks suck
18:28 <spidey> i'll need $500 to buy one,and $500 for the future repairs
18:28 <spidey> ;D
18:28 * wrtlprnft pats his notebook
18:29 * wrtlprnft has guarantee on his
18:29 * spidey wouldn't own a notebook
18:29 * spidey would sell it and get a desktop
18:29 <spidey> fuuuuuuuuuuuck
18:30 <spidey> i dun wanna goto the funeral tomorrow
18:30 <spidey> :<
18:30 <spidey> i hate them
18:30 <wrtlprnft> well
18:30 <wrtlprnft> then laugh about it
18:30 <spidey> -_-
18:30 <wrtlprnft> or eat enough cigarettes to die before the funeral
18:30 <wrtlprnft> or get sick enough so you can't go
18:32 <spidey> hmm
18:32 <spidey> !uptime
18:32 <spidey> weird
18:32 <spidey> Vanhayes
18:32 <Vanhayes> i was just at a funeral
18:32 <wrtlprnft> :(
18:32 <Vanhayes> heavy stuff
18:32 <spidey> type !moo
18:32 * wrtlprnft types "!moo"
18:32 <spidey> not you
18:32 <wrtlprnft> oom!
18:33 <Vanhayes> spidey
18:33 <wrtlprnft> !mooooooooooooo
18:33 <spidey> moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) uptime: 8hrs 5mins 22secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2193MHz (0% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller 64MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 503/503MB (100%) hdd: C:\ 21.09GB/91.76GB Free F:\ 7.8GB/12.72GB Free net: - 0MB/s In, Out
18:33 <spidey> lol
18:33 <Vanhayes> !moo
18:33 <spidey> moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) uptime: 8hrs 5mins 35secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2193MHz (0% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller 64MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 503/503MB (100%) hdd: C:\ 21.09GB/91.76GB Free F:\ 7.8GB/12.72GB Free net: - 0MB/s In, Out
18:33 <spidey> -_-
18:33 <Vanhayes> !moo
18:33 <spidey> moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) uptime: 8hrs 5mins 42secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2193MHz (0% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller 64MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 503/503MB (100%) hdd: C:\ 21.09GB/91.76GB Free F:\ 7.8GB/12.72GB Free net: - 0MB/s In, Out
18:33 <Vanhayes> heh
18:33 <Vanhayes> obey me
18:33 <wrtlprnft> make it so !rm -rf / actually works
18:33 <spidey> [12:34] test was unloaded, to reload type: /load -rs C:\D\warez\stuff\3segment\test.mrc
18:33 <spidey> kiss my ass
18:34 <wrtlprnft> !KissWrtlsAss
18:34 <spidey> i do have a script from awhile back
18:34 <spidey> join #spidey
18:35 <spidey> ./ignore wrtlprnft
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18:36 <wrtlprnft> aaah, nice
18:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey left
18:36 -!- You're now known as spidey_
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 * spidey_ slaps spidey
18:36 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:37 * Vanhayes goes and replies to the holing topic
18:37 <wrtlprnft> heh
18:38 <Vanhayes> maybe something like "Only puusys and unskilled players use holes." :) jk
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18:39 <spidey> [12:38] <-psyBNC> Wed Aug 16 16:38:35 :User spidey () got disconnected (from calvino.freenode.net) Reason: Closing Link: unaffiliated/mcspiddles (Excess Flood)
18:39 <spidey> lol
18:39 <Vanhayes> !moo
18:39 <Vanhayes> aw
18:39 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
18:39 <spidey> that load for anyone?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
18:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
18:40 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i suggest you check the last few lines :P
18:40 <Vanhayes> lol
18:40 <Vanhayes> btw spidey your double clicking the forum button problem is still there
18:42 <spidey> it fucking loads for you!?!?
18:42 <spidey> and yes i know it's there
18:42 * wrtlprnft wonders why everyone and their dog need their own forums
18:42 <spidey> 05:41 <luke-jr_> until GodTodd's space ship got to Alpha Centauri
18:42 <spidey> 05:43 <TiTnAsS> i thoguht you guys were the tron crew
18:42 <spidey> 05:43 <TiTnAsS> not the freeciv
18:42 <spidey> 05:43 <TiTnAsS> guys
18:42 <spidey> 05:43 <TiTnAsS> - -;
18:42 <spidey> 05:43 <luke-jr_> hehe
18:42 <spidey> that's the last few lines
18:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft i've had forums
18:43 <spidey> it's not for tron
18:43 <spidey> it's for soldat
18:43 <wrtlprnft> umm, my cronjob isn't running :(
18:43 <spidey> owned
18:44 <Vanhayes> wow that was almost 12 hours ago
18:44 <Vanhayes> <wrtlprnft> aaah, nice
18:44 <Vanhayes> <wrtlprnft> spidey left
18:44 <Vanhayes> * wrtlprnft is now known as spidey_
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <spidey> -_-
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? spidey_ slaps spidey
18:44 <Vanhayes> * spidey_ is now known as wrtlprnft
18:44 <Vanhayes> ? Vanhayes goes and replies to the holing topic
18:44 <Vanhayes> <wrtlprnft> heh
18:44 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> maybe something like "Only puusys and unskilled players use holes." :) jk
18:44 <Vanhayes> there
18:44 <Vanhayes> #monolague
18:44 <Vanhayes> #monologue
18:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> ok, updated now
18:45 <Vanhayes> wow delayed
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18:45 <wrtlprnft> anyways, you guys up for some freeciv?
18:46 <spidey> btw
18:46 <Vanhayes> in a few minutes ya
18:46 <spidey> don't creat a alliance when there's only 2 players
18:46 <spidey> -_-
18:46 <wrtlprnft> hehe
18:46 <spidey> not funny
18:46 <spidey> :<
18:46 <spidey> me and Vanhayes against wrtlprnft
18:46 <wrtlprnft> yes it was funny
18:46 <wrtlprnft> nono
18:46 <spidey> yes
18:46 <wrtlprnft> vanhayes and me agains spidey
18:46 <spidey> NO!
18:46 <spidey> i called him first
18:46 <wrtlprnft> yesyes
18:46 <Vanhayes> how about wrtlprnft and spidey vs me?
18:47 <wrtlprnft> nah
18:47 <spidey> ok
18:47 <Vanhayes> lol
18:47 <spidey> shush wrtlprnft
18:47 <wrtlprnft> what abouv us 3 against an AI?
18:47 <spidey> hmm
18:47 <spidey> as long as it's not the russians or germany ok
18:47 <spidey> them AI's are psyko+some
18:47 <wrtlprnft> does that matter?
18:48 <spidey> yes
18:48 <spidey> germany AI's always whipe me out :(
18:48 <wrtlprnft> well
18:48 <wrtlprnft> what about you, spidey, take russia and i take germany?
18:48 <spidey> i'm chinese
18:48 <spidey> even though luke stole my people last time
18:48 <spidey> -_-
18:49 <DrJoeTron> some one harness the power of the whales for me
18:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:49 <DrJoeTron> or the buffalbo
18:49 <DrJoeTron> any of the aminals
18:49 <DrJoeTron> become aminal king!
18:49 <spidey> ....
18:49 <Vanhayes> lol ok, ill take them all
18:50 <DrJoeTron> good
18:50 <DrJoeTron> :)
18:50 <spidey> i'm tired
18:50 <DrJoeTron> see. van knows whats up
18:50 <spidey> really tired
18:50 <wrtlprnft> good.
18:50 <wrtlprnft> that should keep him awake
18:50 <spidey> this means i might side with the AI
18:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: if it lets you
18:50 <spidey> LOL
18:50 <DrJoeTron> im gonna look at the source code
18:51 <DrJoeTron> or...try to
18:51 <wrtlprnft> the AI will decide you're not worth it
18:51 <DrJoeTron> i wanna make a tron version of this game
18:51 <wrtlprnft> and stump you into the ground
18:51 <spidey> tron version?
18:51 <DrJoeTron> daa
18:51 <DrJoeTron> i think it would be cute
18:51 <DrJoeTron> i was talking to luke about this
18:51 <spidey> wtf you on about
18:52 <DrJoeTron> changing freeciv from the world, to tron
18:52 <Vanhayes> spidey the ai always goes to war
18:52 <DrJoeTron> changing the graphics to look like tron
18:52 <DrJoeTron> the wording
18:52 <spidey> "you start as 1 players(a leader) and 2 deciples....your objection is to create the biggest clan and pwn all"
18:52 * spidey slaps joe
18:52 <DrJoeTron> not arma you re-re
18:52 <DrJoeTron> TRON
18:53 <DrJoeTron> there was a movie
18:53 <wrtlprnft> you all ignore the part GE
18:53 <wrtlprnft> armaGEtron
18:53 <wrtlprnft> all talk about arma and tron, but noone talks about ge
18:53 <DrJoeTron> ARMA! GET RON!
18:53 <DrJoeTron> poor ron
18:53 <spidey> lol
18:54 <DrJoeTron> id join in freeciv but im downloading a demo
18:54 <DrJoeTron> that and i have no idea how to play freeciv
18:54 * Vanhayes will from now on only reffer to armagetron as "ge"
18:54 * wrtlprnft too
18:55 <spidey> ok,that's it
18:55 <spidey> me a Vanhayes against wrtlprnft
18:55 <wrtlprnft> someone needs to take care of the "ad" too
18:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft i have blockers for that
18:55 <spidey> pop-up blocker,ad blocker
18:55 <Vanhayes> maybe ge+ad
18:55 <Vanhayes> gead
18:55 <spidey> adware blocker
18:55 <spidey> :D
18:55 <DrJoeTron> So DUDES and DUDETTS, Any of you UP for some GE!?
18:56 <Vanhayes> ya ge rocks!
18:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah, let's play some gead
18:56 <DrJoeTron> i hope none of you are saying that otloud
18:56 <Vanhayes> lol
18:56 <DrJoeTron> because let me tell you how awkward it sounds
18:56 <spidey> jrj
18:56 <Vanhayes> Geh
18:56 <wrtlprnft> geeee! ad!
18:56 <DrJoeTron> its like saying every vowel at onced
18:57 <DrJoeTron> AEIOU!!!!!
18:57 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft
18:57 <Vanhayes> lol
18:57 <DrJoeTron> how exactly do you pronounce that
18:57 <spidey> i pronounce wrtlprnft, wort-al-print
18:57 <spidey> damn worts
18:57 <spidey> -_-
18:57 <Vanhayes> wertal prinfft
18:57 <DrJoeTron> i say it as Wurtle Pern Fit
18:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:58 <wrtlprnft> wrrrtlprrrnft
18:58 <DrJoeTron> wrtle the trtle
18:58 -!- DrJoeTron is now known as trtlprnft
18:58 <spidey> ohhhh
18:59 <trtlprnft> trrrrtl
18:59 <spidey> when i make a shoutbox
18:59 <spidey> i'll have it change a name
18:59 <spidey> like if wrtlprnft shouts
18:59 <spidey> it'll come out
18:59 <spidey> asshole: $text
18:59 * wrtlprnft doesn't use shoutboxes
18:59 * spidey will make a patch for his forums to
18:59 <trtlprnft> The Fit is GO!
19:00 -!- trtlprnft is now known as DrJoeTron
19:00 * wrtlprnft has no intention to register to spidey's forums
19:01 <spidey> lol
19:01 <spidey> are we gonna play?
19:01 <wrtlprnft> play what?
19:02 <wrtlprnft> gead or freeciv?
19:02 <Vanhayes> i will in a few minutes
19:02 <wrtlprnft> and who vs who?
19:02 <spidey> -_-
19:02 <wrtlprnft> i'll take both of you on arma
19:02 <spidey> i'm going to sleep,night
19:02 <wrtlprnft> but not on freeciv
19:02 <Vanhayes> how about who vs who vs who
19:02 <spidey> i suck in arma
19:02 <spidey> but i still pwn joo!!!
19:03 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: well, then it's clear: who vs who
19:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: good you're going to sleep
19:03 * wrtlprnft dances
19:03 <Vanhayes> actually im not gonna play freeciv, just remember h I have some shit that has to be done before supper
19:03 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
19:03 <Vanhayes> maybe later, or tommorow
19:04 <spidey> know what
19:04 -!- spidey is now known as spidey|sleep
19:04 <spidey|sleep> take that!
19:04 <wrtlprnft> goodgoodgood
19:04 * wrtlprnft jumps
19:04 <spidey|sleep> good,cause i'm going just as soon as i'm done smoking
19:05 <wrtlprnft> you can't smoke while sleeping?
19:05 <spidey|sleep> can you?
19:05 * wrtlprnft doesn't smoke
19:05 <spidey|sleep> then you're in for a long and boring life
19:05 <spidey|sleep> i get the short and boring life
19:05 <spidey|sleep> whooppy
19:08 <spidey|sleep> #night
19:08 <armabot> Good night spidey|sleep!
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19:56 <luke-jr_> ...
19:56 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there was a crash, and the game went back to before you gave people stuff
19:57 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: and before you nearly killed me
19:57 <Vanhayes> lame
19:57 <luke-jr_> you're still in the game
19:57 <luke-jr_> IIRC, wrtl played you
19:58 <luke-jr_> I'll be ready to play in ~2 hours-- give the game at least 8 hrs break =p
20:05 <Vanhayes> hmm ill probly play then too
20:05 <Vanhayes> maybe
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20:07 <luke-jr_> Lackadaisical: hi
20:07 <luke-jr_> we have work for you
20:07 <Lackadaisical> hi
20:07 <Lackadaisical> oh good
20:07 <luke-jr_> graphics
20:07 <Lackadaisical> what kind of graphics?
20:08 <luke-jr_> 30x30 tiles
20:08 <luke-jr_> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Editing_tilesets
20:09 <luke-jr_> I tried some stuff, but it looks ugly IMO
20:10 <luke-jr_> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/tron-freeciv-tileset_0.0.1.tbz2
20:11 <Lackadaisical> you are making a tron theme for freeciv?
20:11 <luke-jr_> ya
20:12 <luke-jr_> any game-logic too maybe
20:12 <luke-jr_> and*
20:12 <luke-jr_> like Alpha Centauri might be the MCP
20:12 <luke-jr_> =p
20:16 <Lackadaisical> but what kind of tiles would you want to make? isn't the world of tron just... grid
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20:25 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6080 /private/nemostultae/: Creating my private SVN workspace
20:32 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6081 /private/nemostultae/ruby/: Branching for ruby + swig stuff
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21:07 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6082 / (30 files in 13 dirs): Basic Ruby sandbox + a few SWIG wrapped classes. The MacOS build system is automated to build the swig modules.
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21:16 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6083 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: The last commit modified the MacOS project file in the trunk. Reverting.
21:18 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6084 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Updated the correct MacOS project (hopefully)
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22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> identify me
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrong window...
22:11 <Your_mom_arma> #identify
22:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
22:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's not a password thing ><
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23:51 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: hey, you seen http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/pyvm/ ?
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Log from 2006-08-17:
--- Day changed Thu Aug 17 2006
00:11 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-208-175.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
00:11 <luke-jr_> so anyway
00:11 <luke-jr_> are we gonna play?
00:13 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv?
00:16 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-40-251.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Reconnecting"]
00:16 <luke-jr_> ya
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00:17 <Your_mom_arma> im in
00:19 <Your_mom_arma> which server?
00:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: poke
00:20 <luke-jr_> spidey|sleep: GodTodd
00:20 <luke-jr_> hmm, a game I just saw end had Fundamentalism gov't
00:23 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: let's do a quick pubserver game while we wait
00:23 <luke-jr_> port 5565
00:29 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: [NP]Tangent [Xpert]DarkStar armabot Commn deja_vu GodTodd guru3 Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ Marco_ Niii spidey|sleep TiTnAsS Vanhayes wejp wrtlprnft Your_mom_arma
00:29 <deja_vu> O.o
00:29 <deja_vu> luke-jr_
00:29 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: wanna play a quick game?
00:29 <Your_mom_arma> should i hit start?
00:29 <deja_vu> not right now
00:30 <luke-jr_> boo
00:30 * [NP]Tangent slaps luke-jr_
00:30 <[NP]Tangent> I have drumline practice to go to
00:30 <luke-jr_> lame
00:30 <[NP]Tangent> but I'll play with you when I get home :>
00:30 <luke-jr_> ...
00:32 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: go ahead
00:32 <luke-jr_> play
00:32 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: Your_mom_arma Your_mom_arma
00:38 <Your_mom_arma> heh
00:39 <luke-jr_> ...
00:39 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: pay attention
00:39 <Your_mom_arma> server didnt show up on the list till now
01:05 <Your_mom_arma> what the hell, is that guy doing that?
01:07 <TiTnAsS> .
01:10 <luke-jr_> .
01:10 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: wanna play?
01:29 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Goals what would the world feature do?
01:30 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: see ph's doc
01:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have light cycles with gunpowder, railroad, and combustion.
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> so are you guys going to be ready to pick up last night's save game a bit later on?
01:45 <Vanhayes> ya probly
01:49 <Vanhayes> how much farther has that game gone since I quit?
01:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I was ready at 3 PM
02:06 <Vanhayes> yesll when you are going to satrt that game again
02:06 <Vanhayes> yell*
02:08 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: why not play w/ mom and I?
02:08 <Vanhayes> Usa had way too many cities
02:10 <luke-jr_> O.o
02:13 <luke-jr_> so abandon some =p
02:15 <Your_mom_arma> turn it into an anarchy and have luke take over washington chance of civil war is 80%
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02:31 <Vanhayes> meh im playing some tron right now ill finish that game from last night though if/when we play
02:31 <ghableska> hello
02:31 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
02:31 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
02:31 <ghableska> picked a new nick yet? :P
02:31 <Vanhayes> heh yup
02:32 <ghableska> cool
02:32 <Vanhayes> new one each day
02:32 <ghableska> O_o
02:32 <ghableska> Why?
02:33 <Vanhayes> something to do, i use Vanhayes every once and a while
02:33 <ghableska> oh, lol
02:33 <ghableska> well if you want to remain secret, don't use your instant chats :P
02:36 <Vanhayes> ya, i sometimes hit one by accident
02:38 <ghableska> lol
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> client crashed
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> it wont let me rejoin
02:52 -!- spidey|sleep is now known as spidey
02:53 <spidey> rejoin?
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv crashed
02:53 <spidey> where ya'll at? "D
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> pg up?
02:54 <spidey> no?
02:54 <spidey> i'm connected to a bnc
02:54 <spidey> [14:55] * Disconnected
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] * Rejoined channel #armagetron
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] * Topic is '0.2.8.2.1 has been released! | http://armagetronad.net/ | Watch out for ~walls from the future~ !!!'
02:54 <spidey> [20:53] <Your_mom_arma> it wont let me rejoin
02:54 <luke-jr_> mom?
02:54 <spidey> my nme will always be here rather i am or not :p
02:54 <Your_mom_arma> 5565
02:54 <luke-jr_> keep trying
02:55 <Your_mom_arma> blarg
02:56 <luke-jr_> :\
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> can spidey connect there?
02:57 * Your_mom_arma becomes frustrated
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> this always happens when i declare was
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> war even
02:58 <luke-jr_> yes
02:58 <luke-jr_> spidey is playing for you
02:58 <luke-jr_> until you get back
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> i'll try restarting the app again
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03:00 <spidey> mom
03:00 <spidey> use a passwor
03:00 <spidey> password
03:00 <spidey> :p
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> it wont prompt me for one
03:03 <luke-jr_> :|
03:04 <luke-jr_> use a diff name
03:04 <luke-jr_> =p
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03:14 <spidey> damn mom
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
03:14 <spidey> well,you're lucky the americans didn't decide to kill you earlier :p
03:14 <spidey> i captured 2 of there cities and got you a small army :p
03:15 <Vanhayes> ya US was stacked
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> i gave up most of my stuff to luke becaus i was bored
03:15 <spidey> hehe
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> is the server full?
03:15 <spidey> no?
03:15 <luke-jr_> use a diff name
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> 4 people are in there
03:15 <spidey> when you click connect do you see a box at the bottum?
03:15 <spidey> that says password
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> i tryed
03:16 <spidey> someone eles just connecteed
03:16 <spidey> O.o
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> yeah its grayed out, i can join other servers
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> kick the 4rth guy so i can at least spectate
03:21 <Your_mom_arma> i give up
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03:22 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes_
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03:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes_: hey
03:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes_: come play for me
03:25 <luke-jr_> I GTG
03:27 <luke-jr_> someone?
03:30 <Your_mom_arma> i cant connect still
03:30 <luke-jr_> :|
03:31 <Your_mom_arma> still says 4 players in that room
03:40 <luke-jr_> players, not users
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> restarting the app no help
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> different name no help
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> i blame the liberal media
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03:56 <spidey> Your_mom_arma you're now a monarchy government
03:57 <spidey> and have 4+ army units per city and 7 cities :p
04:06 <Vanhayes_> Lucifer_arma: want to finish that game now?
04:07 <spidey> :D
04:07 <spidey> i do!
04:07 <Vanhayes_> were you still alive in that on spidey ?
04:08 <spidey> ya
04:08 <spidey> i was doing good
04:08 <spidey> then my AI fucked it up and broke off the alliance
04:08 <spidey> i'm playing mom's game now
04:08 <spidey> damned americans
04:08 <spidey> -_-
04:09 <spidey> luke should have gave me rocketry before he left
04:09 <spidey> Vanhayes_ connect to 5565
04:09 <spidey> play as luke
04:09 <spidey> :D
04:09 <Vanhayes_> maybe
04:09 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> cooking dinner right now
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04:41 <spidey> some guy came and took over the americans
04:42 <spidey> i've got a carrier full of bombers and fighters and a few choppers,and 3 transport ships full of armor units :D
04:43 <TiTnAsS> lies
04:44 <spidey> oh it's true :p
04:44 <Your_mom_arma> wow how did you turn that game around
04:47 <spidey> ;)
04:47 <spidey> i've got 2-3 units per city also
04:48 <spidey> i'ma go pwn the americans
04:48 <spidey> got 8 good cities
04:48 <spidey> haha
04:49 <spidey> the idiot attacked my carrier with a 2 cruisers and lost them
04:49 <spidey> :D
04:49 <spidey> someone should join and take lukes spot over
04:55 <spidey> i just took denver
04:58 <Your_mom_arma> type /list connections
05:01 <spidey> wrath
05:01 <spidey> he just took one of lukes cities
05:01 <spidey> now i'm putting units in lukes cities too
05:01 <spidey> me and luke are allies :D
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> he probably developed his cities with something other than "auto settler" :)
05:05 <spidey> i just took over st louis
05:05 <spidey> no he's got city walls and all that
05:05 <spidey> and my bombers and armor say they suck
05:06 <spidey> :D
05:06 <spidey> oh hell no
05:06 <spidey> he just cruise missled me
05:06 <spidey> -_-
05:06 <spidey> that's ok, i'm 1 city away from taking his capital :D
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05:14 <spidey> 1 city away
05:14 <spidey> washington is my next city to capture,plus i landed 10 more armor units there
05:14 <spidey> see....communism and below are the best governments for war
05:22 <spidey> Game: Lost connection: wrath from cpe-72-227-91-190.maine.res.rr.com (player George Washington).
05:22 <spidey> lol
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05:27 <Compn> freeciv huh?
05:27 <Compn> easy to learn?
05:27 * Compn should try one day
05:29 <spidey> well
05:29 <spidey> appearently it's not the army you got
05:29 <spidey> it's how you use it
05:29 <spidey> the americans are the strongest
05:29 <spidey> then the japs
05:29 <spidey> then me
05:29 <spidey> and i'm pwning 'em :D
05:29 <Compn> then the japs
05:29 <Compn> ?
05:30 <Compn> no china?
05:30 <spidey> no?
05:30 <Compn> awww
05:37 <spidey> Game: Player 'Sergio Osmena' now has AI skill level 'easy'.
05:37 <spidey> Game: The capture of George Washington's capital and the destruction of the empire's administrative
05:37 <spidey> structures have sparked a civil war. Opportunists have flocked to the rebel cause,
05:37 <spidey> and the upstart Sergio Osmena now holds power in 19 rebel provinces.
05:37 <spidey> took the american captial
05:37 <spidey> :D
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05:46 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: gonna play that game any time soon?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> god damn recording is a pain
05:54 <luke-jr_> rofl
05:54 <luke-jr_> recording is simple
05:55 <spidey> that was fun
05:55 <luke-jr_> someone forgot to set endyear later
05:55 <spidey> :(
05:55 <spidey> i was gonna finish the americans off to
05:55 <spidey> i had 40+ military units over there and 7+ more ready to ship
05:56 <luke-jr_> I totally won
05:56 <luke-jr_> I have at least 500 military units =p
05:56 <luke-jr_> and 2000+ gold
05:56 <spidey> only cause i protected your ass
05:56 <luke-jr_> had*
05:56 <luke-jr_> =p
05:56 <spidey> the americans took one of your cities so i put a few in some of yours
05:56 <spidey> and took yours back :p
05:56 <luke-jr_> new game maybe?
05:56 <spidey> hmm
05:57 <spidey> ya,untill we get ready to finish the other one
05:57 <spidey> Vanhayes wanna play?
05:57 <spidey> me you and luke against 2 AI's
05:57 <spidey> :s
05:57 <spidey> lets play with the world map,too
05:57 <Vanhayes> how about no ais?
05:58 <luke-jr_> why
05:58 * Vanhayes hates ais
05:58 <spidey> so
05:58 <spidey> we got a AI :p
05:58 <spidey> us 3 against them
05:58 <Vanhayes> they make the stupidest decisions
05:58 <Vanhayes> ook
05:58 <spidey> so?
05:58 <luke-jr_> 5564
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> nah, recording is a pain
05:59 <Vanhayes> anyone else want to play?
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> especially voice recording, because I can only do that when my family's not home
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, anybody here about ready to finish last night's game?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> looks like there's an active game going right now...
06:00 <Vanhayes> nah
06:00 <Vanhayes> still setting up
06:00 <Vanhayes> Id like to finnish last nights
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> well I can start it up and we can join and wait for the others if we need to
06:01 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I've been ready since 3 PM
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft took over your player for awhile and did some building up
06:01 <spidey> i'm inif luke is
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: spidey ?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:02 <spidey> can we wait 10 minutes?
06:02 <Vanhayes> what were the host/port again?
06:02 <spidey> i wanna make a pizza
06:02 <spidey> haven't ate all day :(
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I can wait, I'd like to get GodTodd in here though, don't know that I want to restart without him
06:02 <spidey> k
06:02 <spidey> btw
06:02 <Vanhayes> hmm ya im pretty hungry too 10 min sounds fine to me
06:02 <spidey> i can't play all night
06:02 <Vanhayes> how many hours?
06:02 <spidey> i gotta goto my aunts funeral tomorrow
06:02 <spidey> 2-3 maybe
06:03 <Vanhayes> should be done by then
06:03 <Vanhayes> maybe
06:03 <spidey> k
06:03 <spidey> brb
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that we'll be done by then, but when we finish tonight, I intend to be done with it :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
06:03 <luke-jr_> ?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> so, to run a full-time game server you need some custom shit that's only in FreeCiv cvs
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> and they say it isn't publicly available :(
06:05 <luke-jr_> why?
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> so it's either write your own custom shit, or don't run a full-time game server
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> the web page didn't say why, and I didn't ask anybody
06:06 <luke-jr_> Player 'Observer' now has AI skill level 'normal'.
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> player observer doesn't control a civilization, though
06:07 <luke-jr_> =p
06:09 <spidey> btw
06:09 <spidey> no killing me when we start :p
06:10 <spidey> i gotta fix what my AI broke :/
06:10 <luke-jr_> O.o
06:10 <luke-jr_> you mean TNA?
06:10 <luke-jr_> =p
06:10 <spidey> both of 'em
06:10 <spidey> heh
06:10 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: pingpingping
06:10 <luke-jr_> I'd rather start a new game if GodTodd isn't there :|
06:10 <spidey> me to
06:10 <spidey> with the world map
06:10 <spidey> :D
06:11 <luke-jr_> I'd rather use a TRON map =p
06:11 <spidey> no
06:11 <Vanhayes> what other maps is there?
06:11 <spidey> tron and freeciv don't mix
06:11 <luke-jr_> lack ran off when I asked him to make a tileset =p
06:11 <luke-jr_> sure they do
06:11 <spidey> LOL
06:11 <spidey> do you blame him? :
06:11 <spidey> :p
06:11 <luke-jr_> yes
06:11 <luke-jr_> well, maybe not
06:11 <spidey> lol
06:11 <luke-jr_> it's not easy :|
06:12 <luke-jr_> stealing screenshots doesn't work well
06:12 <luke-jr_> =p
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> just witing for spidey, then?
06:12 <Vanhayes> spidey join, GodTodd is there now
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a go pee real quick
06:12 <spidey> 5 minutes
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we'll wait. Your civilization has been wrecked enough by AIs for us to do it while you're waiting :)
06:14 <spidey> -_-
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> so, is there any way to transfer units to an ally? Like, say someone can build lots of units but would prefer to have an ally take them into battle...
06:14 <spidey> if i can bring mom's civ back from almost nothing and pwn the strongest civ army wise
06:14 <spidey> it shouldn't be hard to do this
06:14 <spidey> :p
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> :)
06:14 <Vanhayes> give them the units home city is the only way I have found so far
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think you and vanhayes should know, I gave luke some cities back and made a peace with him
06:15 <Vanhayes> ...
06:15 <Vanhayes> nooooooooooooo
06:15 <spidey> lol
06:15 <spidey> LMAO
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't want to give up the cities themselves
06:15 * Vanhayes wonders if wrtlprnft screwed anything up or not
06:15 <spidey> Vanhayes i won't our alliance back :D
06:15 <spidey> btw
06:15 <Vanhayes> give me london
06:15 <Vanhayes> heh
06:16 <spidey> isn't the save like 1 hour old?
06:16 <spidey> so the people shouldn't have affected
06:16 <spidey> food brb
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, we played for awhile after restoring from an older save
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> also, I cleared out all the saves from previous games, so there should be a save available if something happens this time
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> but if I take my computer outside again, I'll bring the adapter. :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or I could restart it in a screen session real quick
06:18 <spidey> ready
06:19 <Vanhayes> join then
06:19 <spidey> host/port
06:19 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with ww.o
06:19 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
06:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 25825 messages.
06:19 <armabot> spidey: [06:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
06:20 * Vanhayes pokes spidey
06:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: units belong to cities
06:20 <Vanhayes> crashed...
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08:46 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: is a jerk
08:46 <Vanhayes> heh dont be bitter
08:52 <luke-jr_> jerk
08:52 <luke-jr_> die
08:52 <guru3> god, still playing freeciv?
08:53 <luke-jr_> guru3: join us
08:53 <luke-jr_> and kill van
08:53 <luke-jr_> the jerk
08:53 <guru3> but i don't know how to play ><
08:53 <arctanx> who does know how to play freeciv? :P
08:54 <arctanx> next question, why did armabot just message me...
08:55 <Vanhayes> what did it say?
08:55 <arctanx> [16:55:05] armabot Sent 5 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <joda_bot> test
08:55 <arctanx> [16:55:06] armabot Sent 5 weeks, 6 days, 9 hours, and 47 minutes ago: <joda_bot> #m joda* test
08:55 <luke-jr_> guru3: learn. we did
08:55 <luke-jr_> we *are*...
08:55 <guru3> lol
08:55 <guru3> i'll emerge it at least
08:55 <Vanhayes> arctanx: that was some saying #later tel *a* test
08:56 <Vanhayes> just random I think
08:56 <arctanx> oh righto then
08:57 <arctanx> #m arctanx yo
08:57 <armabot> arctanx: The operation succeeded.
08:57 <arctanx> well, whatever floats your boat :P
08:57 <Vanhayes> #notes
08:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, unknown, and z-man.
08:58 <luke-jr_> guru3: fyi, 'dedicated' means *only* dedicated for civ
08:59 <guru3> what's the bin name for freeciv?
09:02 <luke-jr_> civclient
09:02 <guru3> k
09:02 <guru3> i'll remember that
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09:05 <luke-jr_> guru3: BTW, plans are for a TRON tileset and maybe ruleset
09:05 <guru3> lol
09:07 <luke-jr_> guru3: wanna watch?
09:08 <luke-jr_> (just don't spy for the evil duo)
09:08 <TiTnAsS> lol
09:08 <TiTnAsS> rofl
09:08 <TiTnAsS> luke
09:08 <guru3> when i get my full screen back
09:08 * TiTnAsS is going to come obs
09:08 <TiTnAsS> okay?
09:08 <TiTnAsS> cuz im bored
09:08 <TiTnAsS> whos playing right now?
09:08 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: not if you're gonna spy for the evils
09:08 <TiTnAsS> i dunno who the evils are
09:08 <TiTnAsS> but im guessing luci is one of em
09:08 <TiTnAsS> but no, im not spying ^^
09:09 <luke-jr_> spidey and Vanhayes
09:09 <Vanhayes> ?
09:09 <luke-jr_> you're the evil duo
09:11 <TiTnAsS> luke
09:11 <TiTnAsS> its not possible for me to spy
09:11 <TiTnAsS> i have no clue what your doing anyways
09:11 <TiTnAsS> =p
09:11 <TiTnAsS> im just here cuz im bored
09:13 <luke-jr_> TiTnAsS: just don't spy
09:13 <TiTnAsS> im not
09:13 <TiTnAsS> for the 3rd time
09:13 <TiTnAsS> - -;
09:25 <guru3> luke-jr_: what's the server?
09:26 <luke-jr_> #last --with www --from Lucifer_arma
09:26 <armabot> luke-jr_: [06:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
09:27 <guru3> so how do i spec then?
09:32 <luke-jr_> ?
09:32 <guru3> nm
09:32 <guru3> it was /observe <name?
09:32 <guru3> >
09:34 <guru3> my screen is too big for any of those tile sets ><
09:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ping
09:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: of course not!
09:42 <Vanhayes> ?
09:43 <wrtlprnft> 06:15 * Vanhayes wonders if wrtlprnft screwed anything up or not
09:43 <wrtlprnft> ;)
09:43 <Vanhayes> hrh ya you did a pretty good job, we are owning luke-jr_
09:43 <wrtlprnft> I didn't even meet luke
09:43 <luke-jr_> cuz you're evil and stuff
09:43 <Vanhayes> hahaha
09:44 <luke-jr_> you break peace treaties, oppress, and aggress and stuff
09:44 <Vanhayes> I took almost every city of his
09:44 <Vanhayes> you have a worse rep than me
09:45 <luke-jr_> not my fault
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10:45 <TiTnAsS> oppress? lol
10:45 <TiTnAsS> and luke
10:45 <TiTnAsS> i thought you were the one
10:45 <TiTnAsS> who broke peace treaties
10:45 <TiTnAsS> o.o
10:45 <TiTnAsS> XD
10:49 <DrJoeTron> i forgot my wallet at my friends house :/
10:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
10:49 <TiTnAsS> smooth
10:49 <DrJoeTron> super
10:49 <TiTnAsS> ^^
10:49 <TiTnAsS> sigh.. i get no respect
10:49 <TiTnAsS> "james invite my aka to lux to - -;"
10:49 <TiTnAsS> "NIGGA
10:49 <TiTnAsS> BLWO ME
10:49 <TiTnAsS> /kick me"
10:49 <TiTnAsS> - -;
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11:00 <Vanhayes> lol nice
11:00 <Vanhayes> #night
11:00 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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11:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm never conquering vanhayes again
11:06 <GodTodd> haha
11:06 <spidey> haha
11:07 <wrtlprnft> why?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> are they now attacking you?
11:07 <spidey> his cities are worthless
11:07 <GodTodd> he's a crappy president :)
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> his cities are completely worthless
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11:07 <TiTnAsS> wtf?
11:07 <TiTnAsS> i didnt ask to be kicked
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I took a bunch of cities that were in disorder and stayed that way
11:07 <TiTnAsS> it was a quote
11:07 <TiTnAsS> tank
11:07 <TiTnAsS> - -;
11:07 <TiTnAsS> lo
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> shut up or use less lines, TiTnAsS
11:07 <TiTnAsS> - -;
11:07 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
11:07 <TiTnAsS> habit
11:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> well cut it out. There's other people here trying to read that shit.
11:08 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, if i'd known you was planning to, i wouldn't have canceled our alliance
11:08 <spidey> plus
11:08 <spidey> i lost 2 units
11:08 <spidey> damned nuke
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:08 <spidey> to close to rome
11:08 <spidey> :(
11:08 <TiTnAsS> my bad
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> I lost a couple of units, but not many
11:08 <wrtlprnft> i wanna see if those actually were two different TiTnAsS
11:08 <wrtlprnft> or if they're all the same
11:08 <TiTnAsS> what two?
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's hard to work something like that, a planned betrayal. If I approached you and you said no, you tell vanhayes and you come after me together.
11:08 <TiTnAsS> err
11:08 <spidey> my main concern was disabling hayes by capturing cities
11:08 <spidey> i didn't care what size
11:08 <spidey> if they was undefended i took
11:09 <TiTnAsS> were not the same titnass - -;
11:09 <TiTnAsS> the other didnt have legit forum name
11:09 <TiTnAsS> i do
11:09 * Lucifer_arma removes the return key from TiTnAsS's keyboard
11:09 <spidey> lol
11:09 <TiTnAsS> ..
11:09 <GodTodd> mine doesn't have a return key ;)
11:09 <TiTnAsS> fine fine /afk
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm glad you finally popped the cork out of that bottle, but I'm sick and disgusted of the cities I took
11:10 <wrtlprnft> ok, this is the TiTnAsS that claims to be the real one
11:10 <spidey> i wanted to prepare more,but luke was almost dead
11:10 <wrtlprnft> the first one is
11:10 <GodTodd> my cities were ok...just kept biting me at the worst moments :)
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11:10 <wrtlprnft> the other one is
11:10 <wrtlprnft> 01:37 -!- TiTnAsS [n=TiTnAsS@c-24-5-242-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
11:10 <wrtlprnft> err
11:10 <wrtlprnft> no
11:11 <wrtlprnft> the other one is 23:37 -!- TiTnAsS [n=Nick@adsl-69-111-57-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #armagetron
11:11 <TiTnAsS> ?...
11:11 <TiTnAsS> i AM the real titnass
11:11 <TiTnAsS> i spam the same as i always did, and im stupid same as always
11:11 <TiTnAsS> ask luci -.-
11:12 <wrtlprnft> well, what's the differenct to the other TiTnAsS then?
11:12 <wrtlprnft> *difference
11:12 <TiTnAsS> i dont troll
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and scam luke for money
11:12 <spidey> GodTodd, sorry for taking your cities, i jsut wanted a fall back because i wasn't strong enough to hold hayes in london :p
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes you were, he had a worthless little empire
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and im sorry, ill try to control my spam
11:12 <GodTodd> ummm i wanted you to take them at that time
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> why did he have so many points?
11:12 <TiTnAsS> and i cant control my stupidity
11:12 <wrtlprnft> techs
11:12 <wrtlprnft> and he had a good reputation
11:13 <spidey> he had future techs out the ass
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> next time I'm taking vanhayes on quickly. He's a good ally because he gives you all of his technology, but there are other people that do better with their cities
11:13 <wrtlprnft> always he who made peace and the others who broke it
11:13 <GodTodd> ask spidey, my cities weren't that bad ;)
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> look, I joined that alliance because I was small and too close to them
11:13 <spidey> hell no
11:13 <spidey> they had awesome production
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't join because I wanted to be part of their conquering
11:14 <GodTodd> by then they did...was too late tho :/
11:14 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i could have taking hayes out at the beginning
11:14 <spidey> but then he grew stronger
11:14 <spidey> -_-
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I should have built more cities early on myself, I had so many new cities that weren't producing fast enough I had to turn them to coinage
11:14 <spidey> i usually only use 5-7 cities
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> I built a whole bunch of cruise missiles and started loading up submarines because I was expeccting a long war in europe
11:15 <spidey> place them in good spots they produce alot
11:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i wasn't
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> so I was getting ready to bombard him with cruise missiles. That little deal in asia is exactly what I mean, I sent out my cruise missile and it didn't have a target!
11:15 <spidey> all of lukes units where in america
11:15 <spidey> lukes/hayes's
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll have to keep that in mind for next time. Drop a mechanized infantry behind the front lines and wipe out his logistical base, it'll only take one turn
11:16 <GodTodd> did he have just a bunch of ghost towns?
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> yes
11:16 <GodTodd> haha
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> I finally decided to just sell everything and pull my units out and there wasn't anything to sell!
11:16 <spidey> LOL
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> that's when I quit the game, I was so disgusted with what I took
11:17 <GodTodd> he must have just put everything to coinage from the get go then
11:17 <spidey> sok i gotta take a shower,get ready for the funeral
11:17 <spidey> then sleep
11:17 <spidey> brb
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: the reason I couldn't take his capital right away was because he never finished the rail link. I built it to the sinai peninsula, he ws supposed to finish it, but he didn't
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: that's what he did, he took a city then stuck it on coinage and forgot about it
11:17 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i was close and decided it'd be easier to nuke
11:17 <GodTodd> civ takes a certain attention to detail
11:18 <spidey> if i had more time i'd nuked everyone of his cities
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> no shit. I think spidey would have been a good, long fight, well worth the effort
11:18 <TiTnAsS> sleep time, night
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> you would have too, for that matter
11:18 <GodTodd> remind me never to vote vor hayes for president ;)
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> next time I'm picking luke over hayes as my ally
11:18 <spidey> Lucifer_arma is that why you wanted out??because we where using nukes?
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke builds pretty nice cities.
11:18 <GodTodd> heh i was allied with luke
11:19 <spidey> but
11:19 <spidey> luke doesn't prepare for war
11:19 <spidey> and that gets him in the end
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yes, I was also starting to get worried about yu guys
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, when you finished with todd and luke, who was left? I didn't know if you'd fight each other or come together after me
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so I started planning my betrayal
11:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i wasn't even gonna bother you...hayes was my main target :)
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> you notice I didn't participate in the american invasion? :)
11:20 <spidey> i did for 1 reason
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary, I was feeding luke money, and ultimately gave him the city I had in australia
11:20 <spidey> i needed a place to retreat incase hayes managed to grab london
11:20 <spidey> lodon was my main city
11:20 <GodTodd> i learned a lot of the nuances with a nice long local game...it's a bit different from the civ2 i usually play
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I started in australia originally, then luke needed it. :)
11:20 <spidey> heh
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> after I saw australia, I decided that helping luke to build it up would be better than keeping it for myself, he'd make a powerful ally from there
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> and hard to invade
11:21 <spidey> ya i planned to give luke some cities
11:21 <spidey> because i had so many before i nuked hayes
11:22 <spidey> can you believe
11:22 <spidey> i only planned to turn on hayes for 5 turns
11:22 <spidey> lol
11:22 <spidey> just long enough to get defense from nukes air units and ocean units started
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> hayes left us with a bunch of overpopulated cities in disorder. It would have taken hours just to get them out of disorder and where I could put workers back down everywhere
11:22 <spidey> and to build a nuke
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd intended to build a navy, then found I didn't have enough production cities for ground units
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'll play the next one a bit differently, go for lots of cities early on and then build them all up
11:23 <GodTodd> that seems to be the way to go
11:23 <GodTodd> i did that in the local game and it worked well
11:23 <spidey> so will i
11:23 <spidey> 1 i won't let tna play
11:23 <spidey> :p
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> it was late, but I finally found the value in having a bunch of settlers (later engineers) working together on all the cities
11:23 <spidey> i spent a hella lot of turns fixing the mess he made
11:24 <GodTodd> haha
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> we need more opponents. :) I don't want to have to conquer vanhayes again, he plays like the ai in civ1
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:24 <GodTodd> man...it's been forever since i played civ1
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> I also want to play a map where there are 3 islands and 6 players, 2 on each island
11:25 <spidey> you know
11:25 <spidey> we where almost to late
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> I also would have planned my big production cities differently had I known then what I know now, and probably would have outproduced you
11:25 <spidey> a few more turns luke would have been killed
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> too late for what?
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's true, except vanhayes was still looking for his city, afaik
11:25 <spidey> i saw hayes had awtacs after luke so i attacked
11:25 <luke-jr_> zzzz
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> and I gave him a nice little city
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't the greatest city, but it was pretty new, already railroaded and irrigated, and with a mine in an oilfield
11:26 <arctanx> freeciv sounds fun :P pity I never could work out how the heck to play
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> I disbanded the engineer, though, needed the shield in its home city
11:26 <spidey> lol
11:26 <luke-jr_> I wouldn't have attacked everyone if the game wasn't already ruined, btw
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> and didn't want to give it a new home since I turned that city to coinage preparing to attack vanhayes
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: it's ok, we understand. :)
11:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, if tna wouldn't have skrewed everything up...i would have been able to take hayes head on
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> in hindsight, I should have allied with luke instead of you and hayes
11:27 <spidey> i had to sell 6-7 unneeded buildings per city
11:27 <spidey> make the people happy again
11:28 <spidey> and redo my government
11:28 <spidey> me??
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's something else that screwed me. When I switched to communism, my income dropped below my expenses, and I hadn't straightened that out yet
11:28 <luke-jr_> btw, global warming and nuke winter are in effect
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> so my income sucked a lot
11:28 <spidey> if that was the case i'd never nuked hayes
11:28 <spidey> and me and hayes would have been the strongest
11:28 <GodTodd> just seems that hayes didn't see the trees for the forest
11:29 <spidey> heh
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you guys didn't look closely enough at me. :) I won't say I was terribly strong, but I was finally a force to be reckoned with when the shit hit the fan
11:29 <spidey> i didn't plan to attack hayes untill he started chasing luke for no reason
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> a few more turns and we would've had quite a war going
11:29 <GodTodd> the big picture in civ is made up of a lot of little pictures
11:29 <luke-jr_> ok im done
11:29 <luke-jr_> spidey u want chinese back now?
11:29 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i had nukes and was using them like i use units
11:30 <spidey> :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> he was playing it like risk, where a city just produces one thing or whatever
11:30 <spidey> ask todd
11:30 <spidey> and luke
11:30 <spidey> i nuked them both heh
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> another thing, I don't really want to play if I know that every game is going to end in global warming and nuclear winter...
11:30 <spidey> lol
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I built cruise missiles, they work perfectly fine
11:30 <spidey> bah
11:30 <GodTodd> yeah....i never nuke in civ2
11:30 <spidey> nukes kill everything
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> and I cleaned up my pollution, auto-settler is good for that
11:30 <spidey> i like them better
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's right, EVERYTHING
11:31 <spidey> i usually clean up my pollutionafter a nuke
11:31 <arctanx> I have an armagetron question.. people online seem to be able to turn 180?, etc. much faster than it's physically possible to press a button twice. is it normal for people to use some kind of alias or something for double-tap? or are they just stupidly fast?
11:31 <GodTodd> kill, pollute....you name it
11:31 <spidey> but i was in a hurry this game
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> you mean liek this: || ?
11:31 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: bind two buttons for the same dir
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> how about this? |||||||
11:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma is just mocking forum posts on the same issure
11:31 <wrtlprnft> *issue
11:32 <arctanx> ah okay. thanks
11:32 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: either :P
11:32 <luke-jr_> BTW, the game is hopeless even for me =p
11:32 <luke-jr_> the barbarians have taken over
11:32 <wrtlprnft> but i still prefer /|_SZ/L,^-z
11:32 <spidey> lmao
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> you can blame vanhayes for that
11:32 <spidey> LOL
11:32 <luke-jr_> I can nuke them all I want, but they live :|
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> after my campaign in europe, I had a bunch of local uprisings that were bound to turn out barbarian cities
11:33 <GodTodd> we can blame hayes for a lot of it apparently ;)
11:33 <spidey> btw
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> it was a mess, there wasn't anything left but a headache, and the possibility of building a spaceship dropped off nastily
11:33 <spidey> next world map
11:33 <spidey> i'm playing as afghan
11:33 <spidey> :D
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, if todd plays the americans, I want the aztecs
11:33 <GodTodd> you're playing as a blanket?
11:33 <GodTodd> ;)
11:33 <spidey> lol
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> I definitely don't want a continental link to vanhayes
11:33 <spidey> well it's better than england
11:34 <spidey> i only got a small island
11:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i do
11:34 <spidey> take him out quick
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> you built a pretty good civilization there
11:34 <spidey> no worries
11:34 <GodTodd> awww luci, i'm touched ;)
11:34 <GodTodd> heh
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> I liked africa a lot, but it was too close to vanhayes
11:34 <spidey> well
11:34 <spidey> todd would have owned us all
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> and while he's a good ally, he's a warmonger
11:34 <spidey> but he gave up
11:35 <GodTodd> nah...if i had played it right from the beginning i would have
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I might be willing to play in africa again, with some differences
11:35 <GodTodd> at the point of give up, i was pretty fucked
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> it's a good continent to start on, and until you build ships there's only a small spot to go through
11:35 <spidey> nah
11:35 <spidey> your cities where awesome
11:35 <GodTodd> i had north and south americas that i should have loaded with cities
11:35 <spidey> yo ucould have turned them around easy
11:35 <spidey> oh and btw
11:35 <spidey> democracy sucks
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't have enough cities either, I was expecting him to have most of that continent settled
11:35 <luke-jr_> we need one where the americas are cut
11:35 <spidey> don't use it
11:36 <luke-jr_> and africa and eurasia are cut
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> democracy is awesome if you intend to be peaceful, it only sucks when you go to war
11:36 <wrtlprnft> well, you guys could have used engineers to make ocean :P
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> and after using communism for war, I think I'm going to try monarchy again next time
11:37 <spidey> you like commy eh?
11:37 <spidey> i love it
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, I hated it
11:37 <spidey> i'm republic for research,commy for war
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> no income!
11:37 <spidey> no
11:37 <spidey> i had alot of income from 5 cities with it
11:37 <GodTodd> heh in civ2 i use democracy until i launch my ship then i switch to fundamentalism for war
11:37 <spidey> you just don't know how to use it :p
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I had a bunch of buildings to support! It was economically a bad switch for me
11:37 <spidey> ohhhh
11:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma find out how to turn fundamentalism on
11:37 <spidey> that government owns
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I did finally go through and start selling off buildings
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, is fundamentalism available in freeciv?
11:38 <GodTodd> fundamentalism = money out the ass
11:38 <spidey> ya
11:38 <spidey> and good for war because you get 3-4 free units
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't see it in the menu
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's despot, isn't it?
11:38 <spidey> per city that don't cost sheilds
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> despot's good for war, too
11:38 <luke-jr_> fundamentalism is, but I don't know how to get it
11:38 <luke-jr_> seen it on other servers
11:39 <spidey> hmmm
11:39 <spidey> Lucifer_arma get on it :p
11:39 <spidey> brb
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> gotta be in the option dialog then
11:39 <luke-jr_> nope
11:39 <luke-jr_> more likely the ruleset
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> we need to build our own rulesets anyway with the settings we like to use so we don't have to spend 5 minutes before a game fooling with it
11:40 <luke-jr_> well, we need TRON-based ones anyhow =p
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I'd just use monarchy the whole time if the damn republics didn't outpace me for research
11:40 <GodTodd> does it let you select a ruleset?
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> commandline option for it
11:40 <GodTodd> k
11:41 <GodTodd> if you select the civ2 ruleset it has fundamentalism
11:41 <GodTodd> :)
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> overall I enjoyed the game, though, but I think I screwed up early too
11:41 <GodTodd> i did too...or it would have ended up awesome
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> maybe use coinage to build the defensive units to start each city or something
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the way I like to work an invasion is completely counter to the way vanhayes does it
11:42 <GodTodd> heh
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, he does alright setting up, but I like to plan air support from the beginning
11:42 <GodTodd> that and you need to make sure you defend your own cities
11:42 <luke-jr_> gnight
11:42 <GodTodd> night luke
11:42 <luke-jr_> zzzzz
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> that's kinda the reason I didn't participate much in the asian fight, I was working on production so I could build airplanes and navy so I could have support for the ground troops
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> then I send over the first two transports worth of units after staging them, so when the transports get back, there's enough new units built to send a second wave
11:43 <GodTodd> i'm going to play it more like i play civ2
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> er, remove the "two", the actual number of transports depends on the size of the target
11:43 <GodTodd> that's how i do it in civ2
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me too. :)
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> this is the first time I've played freeciv seriously. Last time I played it you had to wait like 4 seconds between every turn and I thought that was unplayable
11:44 <GodTodd> i build a few transports then have everyone meet up at that city and load, send, come back, repeat
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I do. build the transport in the staging city, use the cities you build inland to build the ground units
11:44 <GodTodd> i played freeciv like 7 years ago heh
11:44 <GodTodd> yep
11:44 <GodTodd> works great
11:45 <GodTodd> and i usually have too many units after killing everyone ;)
11:45 <GodTodd> i don't even use cruise missles
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I should've known something was wrong with hayes when he build a road across africa "to move troops to america faster" instead of a railroad
11:45 <GodTodd> or planes
11:45 <GodTodd> haha
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> if you've got the technological upper hand, you don't need air support
11:45 <GodTodd> exactly
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on, that road didn't speed up his troops any faster than finishing the rail link and using my own cities as a staging area would have
11:46 <GodTodd> yep
11:46 * Lucifer_arma was really pissed the rail link wasn't finished
11:46 <GodTodd> i could tell
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> I built most of the rail link from shanghai, he built cities in my direction instead of railway
11:47 <GodTodd> that's messed up
11:47 <GodTodd> heh
11:47 <wrtlprnft> well, a railway makes you voulnerable
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> and at the time that I built the african rail, I was still in the bottom third of the continent
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> not if you fortify it
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> at least I was able to build my forts without arousing suspicion. "There's barbarians in africa!" heh
11:47 <GodTodd> and a railway is bidirectional....it makes it easier for both sides to attack
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's why you build forts at the bottleneck of the railway and put units in them
11:48 <GodTodd> yep
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> then you can go through without penalty, but the other guy can't. It's a one-way window
11:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, after the european campaign finally kicked off I sent a bunch of engineers to finish the link.
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> they were almost finished when I quit
11:49 <GodTodd> doesn't take long
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> not when you put 4 on the job, anyway
11:49 <GodTodd> that's what i would have done
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> had to stop cleaning up pollution in the meantime though :/
11:50 <GodTodd> auto settlers works great for pollution cleanup
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes it does. Then you only need 2 engineers to keep up with it :)
11:50 <GodTodd> they go to polluted tiles like flies to shit
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only use I found for it, heh. That and you just want to keep some engineers around anyway because when you need them, you really need them
11:50 <GodTodd> yeah
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> so keep 'em around on auto-settler and they'll fill in holes for you that you missed
11:51 <GodTodd> yep :)
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still going to micromanage my settlers and engineers, and that means no time limit because that shit takes time
11:51 <GodTodd> and auto worker works great for me most of the time
11:51 <GodTodd> yeah...but they're easy to grab off of auto if you need them redirected
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't figure out why my cities weren't producing. Maybe I need to learn how this CMA works
11:51 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: even with double-binding, it still takes 3 grid squares to turn right around. is this some input limitation with my computer or have I missed something else?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: there's an input limitation in effect in a lot of places
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's a setting, well, two settings actually
11:52 <GodTodd> yeah...i fiddled a little with the cma...not sure i fully grasp it tho
11:52 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: o right within the game you mean? is there a list of the server settings somewhere?
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna check it out
11:53 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: it depends on the server too
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: check out the wiki for this sort of thing. http://wiki.armagetronad.net
11:53 <wrtlprnft> there's a minimum delay between turn, it defaults to 0.1
11:53 <arctanx> I'm just playing on a local server with install defaults
11:53 <wrtlprnft> s
11:53 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: yeah, then you have a delay of 0.1s
11:53 <wrtlprnft> you can set CYCLE_DELAY to something smaller
11:53 <wrtlprnft> but NOT 0 unless you want weird bugs
11:54 <arctanx> ah I see. thanks for that
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> but anyway, I couldn't figure out why my cities weren't producing, and then I had an epiphany that I usually get a surplus of food, then stick new workers on shield production
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> and use my settlers to make the most shield production I can
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> by the time you reach a point where you need lots of shields, you have plenty of population to work with, as long as you've kept up with city improvements
11:54 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i can own a entire civ, with 3 bombers a few fighters and 15-20 armor tanks
11:55 <spidey> it's not what you got
11:55 <spidey> it's how you use what you got
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "air support" :)
11:55 <spidey> i owned the americans in that game me and luke played with those amount of units
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> my battle plan in civ1 was always "bomb the piss out of them, then conquer their cities with obsolete ground troops"
11:55 <spidey> lol
11:55 <spidey> i like taking coastal cities first
11:55 <spidey> unloading my troops in them
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> I'd drop a few cruise missiles and hit with bombers, then take in a catapult or a horseman, heh
11:56 <spidey> then work inward
11:56 <spidey> lol
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> ideally I put battleships on all the coastal cities with carriers right behind them
11:56 <spidey> i like to keep my units upto date
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> you can guess how I worked it, but the air units went inland
11:56 <spidey> hence i always build a leonardos workshop
11:56 <spidey> that's always my first goal
11:56 <spidey> instead of spending extra to upgrade units
11:57 <spidey> it takes my old ones and upgrades them
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> does it become obsolete?
11:57 <spidey> yes
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> when?
11:57 <spidey> after electricity is researched
11:57 <spidey> no
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's usually pretty late in the game
11:57 <spidey> that's the great library
11:57 <spidey> hmm
11:57 <spidey> i can't remember
11:57 <spidey> but it's a goodways down
11:57 <GodTodd> heh....i usually want philosophy and darwin's voyage myself
11:58 <GodTodd> free tech ;)
11:58 <spidey> why?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> I used to go for colossus right away, and then darwin's voyage
11:58 <spidey> great library is better
11:58 <spidey> bah
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> not against ai's it isn't, because you usually outpace the ais
11:58 <spidey> skrew happy citizens
11:58 <wrtlprnft> automobile makes it obsolete
11:58 <spidey> ya
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, in civ1 colossus was good for trade
11:58 <GodTodd> if you're the first to get philosophy you get a free tech and darwin's gives you 2
11:58 <spidey> hmm
11:59 <spidey> wanna start a new game? :p
11:59 <spidey> a quick one
11:59 <GodTodd> and i usually try to time darwin's to be built right about the time i get industrialization
12:00 <GodTodd> so that when KRC is obsoleted i get factories :)
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> no new game, I've got to do some work
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> here's what I want to play, though :)
12:01 <spidey> new game!?
12:01 <spidey> i'm in
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a map that has 6 civilizations at 20th century technology ready for war
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> at pre-WWII 20th century, that is
12:01 <spidey> hmm
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> and I want them all roughly equal, which isn't how it usually works out
12:02 * spidey goes to talk to his reverse engineering friends
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a map editor, but I couldn't get it to build, and the maintainer quit maintaining it
12:02 <spidey> ?
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> the freeciv project isn't planning on embedding one until 2.2, and they're at 2.1beta2 right now
12:02 <spidey> hmm
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> so we need to sit down and just build the map, probably take about 4 hours, and we'd just play a game, exchange technology and stuff,
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> and then save it right at the point we want to start again
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, break off alliances and stuff, then save it
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> that would probably be faster than doing it by hand, but the save game format is documented, it might be doable by hand, I don't really know
12:04 <spidey> i wonder
12:04 <spidey> i have civ2 on cd
12:04 <spidey> if i can make a map
12:04 <spidey> then convert it for freeciv
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> no way that I know of, but that doesn't mean there's no way. I don't know a lot about freeciv
12:04 <spidey> i'ma install civ2 and compare mapfiles
12:04 <spidey> sec
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> when I told luke to run a freeciv server (and kicked off this round of freeciv playing), all I knew about it was that it was the "other" big open source network game
12:05 <spidey> big?
12:05 <spidey> i haven't seen many people besides us
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. The 3 primary open source network games are bzflag, freeciv, and us :)
12:05 <DrJoeTron> i dont see many people besides us on arma
12:05 <wrtlprnft> even bzflag is bigger, and it sucks
12:05 <spidey> lol
12:05 <DrJoeTron> bzflag is huge
12:06 <DrJoeTron> and is horrible
12:06 <wrtlprnft> way to cheatable
12:06 <wrtlprnft> *too
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> talking about big as in lots of people know about it, not necessarily lots of people play it
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> and bzflag, freeciv, and arma have all been staples of linux distributions for as long as I can remember
12:06 <DrJoeTron> bzflag is the biggest
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> bzflag is also very old
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12:07 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't it predate linux?
12:07 <DrJoeTron> just Battle Zone
12:07 * spidey yawns
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv's probably got a lot of closet players, too, people that don't play much, but hit it hard every now and then
12:08 <GodTodd> that's the nature of civ
12:08 <spidey> i don't think i'd actually play this type of game with a random person
12:08 <spidey> it's more fun with people you know :D
12:08 <DrJoeTron> which is why i play arma
12:08 <DrJoeTron> its hard to play games online with random people
12:08 <GodTodd> i suck at arma heh
12:08 <DrJoeTron> i can do that with ai and get the same affect
12:09 <DrJoeTron> the ai is much more polite
12:09 <spidey> well
12:09 <spidey> i can play games like
12:09 <DrJoeTron> they know that they are to be seen, not to be heard
12:09 <spidey> arma,halo and those type with people i don' tknow
12:09 <DrJoeTron> fuck halo
12:09 <spidey> but this kinda game requires alot of work
12:09 <spidey> fuck you
12:09 <DrJoeTron> halo sucks
12:09 <spidey> DrJoeTron sucks
12:09 <spidey> and deja_vu_ does to
12:10 * DrJoeTron not nearly as much as halo does
12:10 <DrJoeTron> that imposter tit guy wouldnt shut up about his halo clan
12:10 <wrtlprnft> if (game.name() != "Armagetron Advanced") game.sucks = true;
12:10 <DrJoeTron> arma too!
12:10 <DrJoeTron> spidey
12:10 <DrJoeTron> get around to playing hl2
12:11 <spidey> do i have to pay for it?
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the demo no
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the game yes
12:11 <spidey> then no :)
12:11 <DrJoeTron> the game has a crap load of mods
12:11 <DrJoeTron> try the demo at least
12:11 <DrJoeTron> its a big demo
12:12 <DrJoeTron> if you're not sure what your doing
12:12 <DrJoeTron> its like 2-3 hours
12:12 <spidey> damn
12:12 <spidey> civ2 maps are encrypted
12:12 <spidey> -_-
12:12 <DrJoeTron> and its friggin scary
12:13 <DrJoeTron> gotta run
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12:15 <spidey> luke-jr_??
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I second the "I want to play this game with people I know"
12:15 <spidey> ya it's more fun
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think if we dug up a bunch of arma players and stuck them on maps, the doublegrinders would build civilizations like, well, like vanhayes
12:16 <spidey> HAHA
12:16 <Lucifer_arma> then their personality differences would really show :)
12:16 <spidey> you know what
12:16 <spidey> hayes might have beat us all in the beginning if we didn't ally with him
12:16 <spidey> usually he takes out most of my cities early in the game
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> actually, he makes good use of a small amount of resources, he'll be scary if he figures out how useful it is to actually build up cities
12:17 * spidey knows how
12:17 <spidey> :D
12:17 <spidey> the trick is all cities on the coast with coastal defense
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, he plays like an ai, seriously that's what he does
12:17 <spidey> all except the captial
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> and like an ai, he starts fighting pretty early. Even his cities that he'd had for a long time didn't have anything in them.
12:18 * deja_vu_ kills spidey with a brick
12:18 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he put stuff in them and then sold it later? I don't know.
12:18 <spidey> if Lucifer_arma wasn't allied with us i probably wouldn't have nuked hayes
12:18 <spidey> deja_vu
12:18 <wrtlprnft> poor deja_vu, everyone wakes him
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> well shit. If you're planning a betrayal with nukes, throw together a fallback plan without nukes
12:18 <spidey> deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu deja_vu
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12:18 <deja_vu> grrr wrtlprnft :P
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> then right before you betray, ask the third ally if he's in, and if he says no, nuke
12:19 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i had a fallback plan,that's why i attacked america with him
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> I would've said yes, but only if you stop using nukes. Then we could have divided up europe
12:19 <spidey> he was using my transport ships
12:19 <spidey> so i delayed the ones with his troops on them
12:19 <spidey> let mine capture the cities
12:19 <spidey> then brought his onland
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's probably why he was thirsty for more cities and kept looking for luke
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> although I don't know which one of us he'd have turned against first
12:20 <spidey> thirsty?
12:20 <spidey> he had the most cities
12:20 <spidey> probably you
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but they were all worthless.
12:20 <spidey> because mine was well defended
12:20 <spidey> he was going after the weakest targets first
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> I figured I was next in line, partly because I wasn't participating in the invasion, and partly because I didn't help much in asia anyway
12:21 <spidey> he cripled luke then went after todd
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but by the time he was ready to come after me, I wasn't very weak anymore
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I probably started building my army a little late, but even so, by the time he was ready to come at me, I would've had at least 3 tanks per city
12:21 <spidey> btw
12:21 <spidey> if you plan to betray someone
12:21 <Lucifer_arma> you were going to have to nuke me
12:22 <spidey> make sure you got enough troops in the continent to take out everything in one sweep
12:22 <spidey> half my troops where in america and i couldn't take it all like i wanted
12:22 <spidey> just enough to get rid of most of his military
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> and let me sail right in? heh
12:22 <spidey> lol
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> of course, you were expecting me to sail in and fight you instead, funny how that worked out
12:23 <spidey> i knew something was up with you
12:23 <spidey> i'd seen part of your military
12:23 <spidey> and knew you had enough to help
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> I was fortifying against that barbarian city we thought was in africa
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:24 <spidey> lol
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes flew a helicopter right through me and didn't question the forts
12:24 <spidey> heh
12:24 <spidey> i think he knew you'd attack
12:24 <spidey> but didn't expect me to
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I ws sticking MI and armor in them, planning on having 10 in each fort when I started attacking
12:24 <spidey> because he knew i'd use nukes
12:24 <spidey> and he didn't have protection from them
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he suspected me, those forts were pretty suspicious and I'd been pretty quiet for a long time
12:25 <spidey> hehe
12:25 <spidey> those damned barbarians kept killing my settlers in africa
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> in the beginning I was all trying to help but was too far away to build the units needed against luke
12:25 <spidey> -_-
12:25 <Lucifer_arma> I know they had a city, but I don't know where it was. Those forts were supposed to protect against the barbarians too.
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> I had decided that when I had an average of about 8 MI and armor units in each fort and city along my front lines, I would start in on air support units
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> but I was building cruise missiles anyway in one city
12:26 <spidey> man
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> two, shanghai too, but I expected to lose that city pretty early in the fighting anyway
12:26 <spidey> i was putting out a bomber every 5 turns in one city and every 8 turns in another
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> and I was going to let vanhayes come after me, even if that let luke rotting on the vine
12:27 <spidey> lol
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> I had those kinds of production rates, but I was building other improvements at the time
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> more improvements means more targets, and when the other guy starts bombing, that improves the chances that the improvements that matter will survive
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I was also working on nuke and missile defenses, I wanted those in place before it all hit the fan
12:28 <spidey> when i gave luke all but 2 of my cities they was all building air,nuke,and water defense
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> you should've built paratroopers for your betrayal of vanhayes :)
12:29 <spidey> LOL
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> then toss a few missiles, drop paratroopers
12:29 <Lucifer_arma> my grand plan, had there been time to build it, was to put airbases in north africa and a coupe of cities for paratroopers
12:30 <spidey> ya
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> but the airbases would have drawn too much suspicion, which is why I settled for forts, and even then I put the forts farther south than the air bases I would've put in
12:30 <spidey> before all that happened with my internet i was going t obuild a base in the middle of hayes
12:30 <Lucifer_arma> then I was going to send a couple of submarines over to britain loaded up with cruise missiles to keep you busy while I took on vanhayes
12:31 <spidey> nah
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> the reason I ultimately decided I should've allied with luke was because if he could've pressed from the east, it would have helped my own attack quite a bit
12:31 <spidey> my battleships would have killed the subs
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd have sent the subs with enough missiles that I could shoot the battleships when I saw them :)
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> I did that at the end there, right before I cut out
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> cruise missiles are very useful weapons :)
12:32 <spidey> heh
12:32 <spidey> i like nukes
12:32 * spidey turns into russians
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> nukes are nice if planned well, to be honest
12:32 <spidey> ya
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll nuke a capital city and then take it with ground units, and I'll nuke key production cities, but I'll also have some engineers ready to clean up
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want nuclear winter!
12:33 <spidey> lol
12:33 <spidey> before i gave everything to luke
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> man, you've gotta feel some sympathy for vanhayes though. Everything was going so well for him, then in two turns he was wiped out.
12:33 <spidey> my production was so high i had 30tons of pollution
12:33 <spidey> lol,ya
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh, when I noticed that we were matching in pollution, I built some reccycling centers and stuff to cut mine
12:34 <spidey> i built transits
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> I think we were pretty closely matched, except that you'd been building military units a lot longer than I was, but I didn't want you to see that we were closely matched
12:34 <spidey> heh
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> because then you would have seen me as a real threat, not someone to be walked over like you did in asia and then america
12:35 <spidey> for only 5 cities i did pretty well
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you did. :)
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> in civ1, the best strategy was to only build 4-5 cities and make them high producing cities, then conquer the world
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> sometime after you get gunpowder, anyway
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently that changed in civ2, but I didn't play enough of it to get the hang of what was different
12:36 <spidey> lol
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm still a bit locked in civ1 strategy, so I only built 4 cities and used those for a long time
12:37 <spidey> ya
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> had I played it smartly and kept building settlers and sending them north so I could settle the whole continent, I would have walked over vanhayes much earlier
12:38 <spidey> lol
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> but I only wanted to cripple him, you were the biggest threat, as long as american battleships didn't appear anyway
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> and when I saw todd show up with ironclads, I stopped being worried :)
12:39 <spidey> LOL
12:39 <spidey> todd once was ranked highest by army
12:39 <spidey> what happened to him
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> next game will be different.
12:39 <spidey> :-s
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> that was in defensive units, and you know that. :)
12:40 <spidey> yes,for one i won't pick a nation with a shitty land mass -_
12:40 <spidey> -_-
12:40 <spidey> todd didn't have many cities
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I usually only attack with 2 units left in each city to defend, and most of this game I didn't have any units in my cities
12:40 <spidey> he had more than me
12:40 <spidey> but not alot
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how many ships he had around, those count too
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd guess he had at least 2 units in every city, maybe 3 or more
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> you wouldn't have noticed, you nuked :)
12:41 <spidey> haha
12:41 <spidey> i wanted his cities with minimal losses
12:41 <spidey> i knew i was gonna turn on hayes
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> well of course, after todd you either had to come at me or him, one of the two
12:42 <spidey> well my plan was
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to be costly, and when I saw how it was going I was preparing. Vanhayes was supposed to be costly too, heh.
12:42 <spidey> capture haye's cities build them up
12:42 <spidey> then come after you
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> he probably thinks we coordinated the betrayal from the way it looked
12:42 <spidey> lol
12:42 <spidey> nah
12:42 <spidey> i only told luke
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well obviously I wasn't going to sit by and watch. I was either coming to his aid or dividing his kingdom up with you
12:43 <spidey> told him to try to hang in till my nuke finished
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> well I told Luke too, maybe that's why he was only worried about vanhayes when he talked to me
12:43 <spidey> heh
12:44 <spidey> i only nuked luke because hayes knew i had one left and it would have looked weird if i bypassed him
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> man, I was building a new cruise missile every 3 turns
12:44 <spidey> heh
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> faster when I had money to buy them, but I admit I was spending that on MI and armor
12:45 <spidey> ya
12:45 <spidey> i used most of my money on nukes
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it was 2 missiles every 3 turns, but shanghai doesn't really count. Those were built to defend that city, not run a campaign
12:45 <spidey> which is why i was low on troops
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12:46 * spidey slaps [Xpert]DarkStar
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> I would have been perfectly happy to collect all of vanhayes' troops for him and then move them to some island in the south pacific
12:46 <spidey> [NP]Tangent WAKE UP!
12:46 <spidey> heh
12:46 <spidey> i should have allied with todd
12:46 <spidey> me and him could have whiped everyone out
12:47 <spidey> speaking of which, i'm picking canada next time
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> maybe vanhayes would've allied with luke then. I got the impression he was only going after luke because you wanted to, and he had to either do that or come after me
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe I'll stay in africa then. :) I like africa, really.
12:47 <spidey> lol
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> lots of resources, you can build very nice cities there
12:47 <spidey> it has good oilfeilds
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> australia has some nice oilfields
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> I stuck a mine in one and was getting like 6-8 shields out of it
12:59 <spidey> O.o
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> a factory and another mined field on that city would have made it a very nice city indeed
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's the city I gave to luke :)
12:59 <spidey> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> you know, when vanhayes told me shanghai was a nice city, I should've known what to expect in his cities
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> that was in the mid range of my own cities, and the only reason it wasn't a low end city was because I started building new ones late in the game
13:00 <spidey> after i killed hayes' capital and took some of his cities to kill most of his army i gave luke all but 2 of my cities
13:00 <spidey> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> I saw that, I was passing over the one you kept over in the middle east
13:01 <spidey> :p
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> then I was so busy trying to get all of vanhayes' cities out of disorder that I didn't want to take the time to break off peace with you just so I could attack one measly city
13:01 <spidey> lol
13:02 <spidey> i kept a city in america to
13:02 <spidey> didn't mean to
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to give luke back all of his asian cities, rebuild vanhayes's empire, and ask for a save game and finish it up tomorrow
13:02 <arctanx> are you guys still talking about the same game?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> then we'd fight a real world war
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
13:02 <arctanx> the one you were talking about almost 2 hours ago? :P
13:02 <arctanx> how long did it go for?
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a game that takes several days to play, you kinda want to talk about it afterwards :)
13:02 <spidey> it went for 2 days
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> I estimate it was about a 12 hour game, possibly longer
13:03 <arctanx> gee. any sleeping in that?
13:03 <spidey> yes
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> would have been much longer if vanhayes didn't have such a shitty empire that I had to leave before I puked
13:03 <spidey> that's what saves are for :p
13:03 <spidey> LOL
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> I need to work on my early empire building, though. It's taking me too long to get a strong empire going
13:05 <spidey> heh
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, were you feeding vanhayes all those technologies? That's why I thought he had more than he had, I wasn't contributing much technology to the alliance but he kept giving them to me
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> so I thought he'd developed them himself
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> after I thought about it later, it occured to me that maybe you had developed most of them while he and I were off in asia
13:05 <spidey> i gave him some of them
13:07 <spidey> hmm
13:07 <spidey> ironic
13:07 <spidey> didn't rome actually fall because of betrayal?
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
13:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just connected to the game, barbarians have taken over most of the world
13:08 <spidey> haha
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> this might be an interesting save game to play, actually
13:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to pick up where it's at
13:10 <spidey> O.o
13:10 <Lucifer_arma> there's only two civilizations left, it's in nuclear winter
13:22 <spidey> wasn't it in nuclear winter before we left?
13:25 <spidey> http://www.volny.cz/behounek/freeciv/maps/index.html#lgm180x90
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13:27 <Nixda584> hi
13:27 <spidey> 2020?
13:27 <Nixda584> hi spidey
13:27 <spidey> 'ello
13:28 <Nixda584> what means 2020?
13:28 <spidey> ?
13:28 <Nixda584> are u speak german?
13:28 <spidey> no
13:29 <Nixda584> u wrote "2020?" what mean that?
13:29 <spidey> it's a persons name
13:29 <Nixda584> ok i understand
13:30 <Nixda584> ;-)
13:31 <Nixda584> we are alone her in this chat room?
13:31 <spidey> nah
13:31 <Nixda584> nah?
13:31 <spidey> no
13:32 <Nixda584> are u play armagetron?
13:32 <spidey> yes
13:32 <Nixda584> and what is u favorit server?
13:33 <Nixda584> hi wejp
13:33 <spidey> i don't really have a favorite,i play where there's the most people at that time
13:33 <wejp> hi
13:33 <Nixda584> do u know silvs tavern?
13:33 <spidey> yes
13:33 <Nixda584> @wejp mal wieder hier zu sehen gruss von pegasus
13:34 <wejp> :)
13:34 <Nixda584> :-))
13:34 <wejp> wieso hast du hier so einen komischen namen?
13:34 <Nixda584> @wejp weil ich nicht angemeldet bin
13:35 <wejp> hm, man muss sich doch nirgends anmelden o_O
13:36 <Nixda584> @wejp du bringst mich jetzt in verlegenheit ich habe einfach nur login gedr?ckt ohne einen namen einzugeben und habe automatisch diesen namen zugeordnet bekommen
13:36 <wejp> ach ich glaube du bis ?ber so ein web-irc teil hier im channel.
13:37 <wejp> dachte du h?ttest ganz normal einen irc client
13:37 <wejp> ;)
13:37 <Nixda584> @wejp ;-))
13:38 <Nixda584> irc steht f?r?
13:38 <wejp> internet relay chat
13:38 <Nixda584> c=client
13:38 <Nixda584> ok
13:38 <Nixda584> danke
13:38 <wejp> halt ein riesiges chat netzwerk, in unserem fall halt freenode
13:38 <wejp> irc gibt es schon seeeeeehr lange
13:39 <Nixda584> @wejp irc ist mir wohl entgangen ;-)
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13:39 <wejp> naja du benutzt es ja grade, wenn auch ?ber so ein seltsames webinterface ;)
13:40 * spidey slaps wejp
13:40 <wejp> :P
13:40 <Nixda584> ich werde mich ?ber freenode jetzt mal ein wenig schlau machen
13:40 <spidey> :D
13:40 <wejp> ok
13:40 <wejp> ;)
13:40 <Nixda584> bye
13:40 <wejp> cu
13:41 <spidey> same here
13:41 <Nixda584> sch?n mal wieder was von dir geh?rt zu haben
13:41 <spidey> #night
13:41 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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13:41 <wejp> :)
13:41 <Nixda584> bye spidey
13:41 <Nixda584> @all bye bye
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14:26 <Lucifer_arma> damn, it's hard to reconquer a continent full of barbarians with railroads
14:26 <Lucifer_arma> soon as you take a city they take it right back
14:46 <GodTodd> heh
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16:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Client_Manual#Citizen_Management_Agent_.28CMA.29_detailed
17:06 * spidey yawns
17:07 <spidey> i'm not sure going to sleep was a good idea -_-
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm about to go to sleep now, but I found some little interesting tidbits
17:09 <Lucifer_arma> the CMA I just linked
17:10 <spidey> i know :)
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> if you haven't found it already, you can save your global worklists with File->Save Settings. That saves global worklists among your settings.
17:10 <spidey> i use it
17:10 <spidey> gotta go
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> bye
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> have fun at the funeral
17:10 <spidey> -_-
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> show them the fun in funeral :)
17:10 <spidey> 95 fucking degrees
17:10 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a get some sleep, then cook dinner, then get my settings saved the way I want them, with the right popups and everything
17:28 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6085 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tTypemaps.i tools.i): Added typemaps for tString
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19:25 <ghableska> hello
19:26 <guru3> 'lo
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19:57 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
20:02 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6086 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tTypemaps.i: Use StringValuePtr over STR2CSTR
20:04 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
20:22 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
20:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
20:39 <wrtlprnft> are they updated again?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> my wlan is having weird issues and disconnects briefly all the time, with the effect that for some reason all my NFS mounts get unmounted
20:41 <wrtlprnft> obviously not, last time was around 8AM..
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20:47 <Nullipennes> 38 check this http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
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20:47 <ghableska> O_o
20:49 <wrtlprnft> now we're getting IRC spam?
20:49 <ghableska> looks like it
20:49 <wrtlprnft> and i clicked it :(
20:49 * wrtlprnft punches himself
20:49 <ghableska> me too, lol
20:49 <luke-jr_> lol
20:49 <luke-jr_> ref_id is a give away
20:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:50 <wrtlprnft> that's why i thought AFTER i clicked it
20:50 <luke-jr_> =p
20:50 <wrtlprnft> *that's what
20:50 * wrtlprnft wonders what the 38 means
20:50 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6087 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/veComparison.cpp: If no comparison can be made, return NAN? =p
20:55 <luke-jr_> I bet NAN casts to 0 anyway =p
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20:55 <wrtlprnft> nope
20:55 <mycotrophic> 8 check it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
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20:55 <ghableska> lol
20:56 <luke-jr_> OMG I GOTTA CHECK IT
20:56 <wrtlprnft> i guess freenode will take care of it
20:56 <wrtlprnft> anyone feel like contacting staff?
20:56 <luke-jr_> unless I do first
20:56 <luke-jr_> he has the same IP every time
20:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: try std::cerr << (1./0.) << std::endl;
20:57 <luke-jr_> ?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it'll print nan, so it isn't stored as 0
20:57 <luke-jr_> that'd be INF
20:57 <luke-jr_> no, I mean when it's cast to int
20:57 <wrtlprnft> then it will probably
20:57 <luke-jr_> o well
20:58 <luke-jr_> not sure what else to do with Jon's example
20:58 <wrtlprnft> just use 3-bit ints everywhere and you'll be fine
20:59 <wrtlprnft> I think we should limit our use of numbers to fields :P
20:59 <luke-jr_> ?
20:59 <luke-jr_> 2026/tcp closed scrabble
20:59 <luke-jr_> wtf
21:04 <wrtlprnft> ?
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23:01 <spidey> funerals are sad :(
23:01 <Your_mom_arma> yeah. thats life
23:02 <GodTodd> yeah...last one i went to was my stepdad's a couple years ago
23:02 <Vanhayes> yea especially if you know the family really wel, or it is family
23:02 <spidey> is family
23:02 <spidey> and during my other aunt passed out
23:02 <spidey> -_-
23:06 <spidey> ahhhh
23:06 <spidey> i had a major head ache for the past 3 hours
23:06 <spidey> my grandma wouldn't let me take me cigarettes with me -_-
23:08 <Vanhayes> well it is kind of rude to smoke at a funeral
23:08 <Vanhayes> really rude if they did of cancer
23:09 <spidey> stomach cancer
23:09 <Vanhayes> hmm, I went to a funeral of a freinds mom who Ive know all my life who died of stomach cancer too
23:09 <Vanhayes> yesterday
23:11 <spidey> first time i saw my cousin cry :(
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23:32 * Vanhayes goes to mow
23:37 * spidey finishes resident evil
23:39 -!- Self_Destructo [n=sd@h80.175.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has joined #armagetron
23:39 <Self_Destructo> question
23:40 <TiTnAsS> its self_destructo
23:40 <TiTnAsS> how you been? ^^
23:40 <Self_Destructo> hey TnA
23:40 <Self_Destructo> good, you?
23:40 <TiTnAsS> why dont you log on msn nemore? o.O
23:40 <TiTnAsS> good
23:40 <Self_Destructo> well, kinda don't really have internet access anymore
23:40 <Self_Destructo> but I will soon
23:40 <TiTnAsS> oh, that sucks
23:40 <TiTnAsS> what happened?
23:41 <Self_Destructo> probably in a month or 2 I should be back :D
23:41 <Self_Destructo> ah, well, I just decided to take a break and straighten some things out
23:41 <TiTnAsS> lol, so you canceled your internet subscription? o.O
23:42 <TiTnAsS> or your just choosing not to log on lately
23:42 <TiTnAsS> - -;
23:42 <Self_Destructo> niether
23:42 <Self_Destructo> I moved my computer home
23:42 <Self_Destructo> it was at dad's office
23:42 <Self_Destructo> which is where I m at now
23:44 <Self_Destructo> I come to ask a question about 3.0
23:45 <Self_Destructo> I know that it will be possible to a reason to kicks ard bans that will be displayed...
23:46 <spidey> SD!
23:46 <Self_Destructo> but I was wondering if it was an optional feature, and if it is, then could they make a setting that could make it an option
23:46 <Self_Destructo> because on my server I want it to be required, to lessen the disputes
23:46 <Self_Destructo> hey spidey men
23:47 <Self_Destructo> man*
23:47 <spidey> dude
23:47 <Self_Destructo> ...
23:47 <spidey> your ogame count got deleted :(
23:47 <spidey> account*
23:47 <Self_Destructo> i don't doubt
23:47 <spidey> poor fireball,when he gets a fleet he gets phalanxed and crashed :(
23:48 <Self_Destructo> after a while I just forgot to login... or wasn't interested, or didn't have time to... lol
23:48 <Self_Destructo> darn
23:48 <Self_Destructo> what rank are you guys?
23:48 <spidey> Points 90840 (Rank 1008 of 4282)
23:48 <spidey> :)
23:48 <Self_Destructo> nice
23:49 <spidey> 30k of my points are from fleet
23:49 <TiTnAsS> spidey, lol
23:49 <spidey> the clan is ranked 120
23:49 <TiTnAsS> "i learned something important, dont let tna play for you!"
23:49 <TiTnAsS> rofl
23:50 <spidey> with 15 members
23:50 <spidey> TiTnAsS?
23:50 <TiTnAsS> all i did was take people out of stuff and run em around, had no clue what i was doing, sorry bout fucking up your area
23:50 <TiTnAsS> ?
23:50 <spidey> doesn't matter
23:50 <spidey> me and Lucifer_arma pwned van
23:50 <spidey> :p
23:50 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:50 <spidey> well
23:51 <TiTnAsS> id like to learn that game, but i dont understand it at all ...
23:51 <spidey> i started a small invasion,Lucifer_arma did the rest
23:51 <TiTnAsS> i understand the concept, but i dunno how to do it i mean
23:51 <Vanhayes> bastards
23:51 <spidey> "D
23:51 <spidey> :D
23:51 <Vanhayes> I gave you almost all of you techs
23:51 <spidey> most of them,i had a bit before :p
23:52 <TiTnAsS> lol, then you killed him?
23:52 <TiTnAsS> hah
23:52 <spidey> besides, you where agressing to much
23:52 <Vanhayes> not on you...
23:52 <spidey> so
23:52 <spidey> you was like germany in ww2
23:52 <Vanhayes> and who took all of GodTodd's cities?
23:52 <spidey> and me and Lucifer_arma was the allied forces :D
23:52 <Vanhayes> not me..
23:52 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:52 <TiTnAsS> luke?
23:52 <TiTnAsS> ^^
23:53 <spidey> luke almost died
23:53 <spidey> lol
23:53 <spidey> Vanhayes, you already killed todd
23:53 <spidey> i took them for a fall back after i nuked you
23:53 <spidey> it was either me take todds cities, or you
23:53 <Vanhayes> that was a pretty pathetic attack btw
23:53 <spidey> i choose me :)
23:53 <spidey> no
23:53 <Vanhayes> you sent one wave and I took all them back
23:53 <spidey> you don't understand what i was doing
23:53 <spidey> so??
23:54 <Vanhayes> pussying out
23:54 <spidey> my main goal was to weakin your army
23:54 <spidey> if i take your city
23:54 <spidey> your units for that city go away
23:54 <spidey> you recapture it you still don't get those troops back
23:54 <Vanhayes> most of my units werent on that continent
23:54 <spidey> no,but the cities that produced them was
23:54 <spidey> :)
23:54 <Vanhayes> if they are in aanother city they can make that there home
23:55 <Vanhayes> o well who won that game anyway?
23:55 <Vanhayes> me or luci
23:55 <spidey> barbarians
23:55 <Vanhayes> ?
23:55 <TiTnAsS> lol..
23:55 <spidey> barbarians took almost everything
23:55 <spidey> lol
23:55 <Vanhayes> I had 500 points luci had 350 when I left...
23:55 <TiTnAsS> barbarians..just randomly attack? or what
23:55 <Vanhayes> yes
23:55 <Vanhayes> lol
23:55 <TiTnAsS> o.O
23:55 <Vanhayes> they can take your cities
23:56 <TiTnAsS> lol
23:56 * Vanhayes wants to try another stratagie this time
23:56 <TiTnAsS> barbarians running cities..hmm
23:56 <Vanhayes> heh
23:56 <TiTnAsS> freeciv SOUNDS like alot of fun
23:56 <TiTnAsS> - -;
23:56 <Vanhayes> my current startegy wins the game by points, but that can get boring
23:57 <Vanhayes> ya I have yet to finish a full game
23:57 <spidey> btw
23:57 <TiTnAsS> i cant even learn the game lol, im to fucking stupid
23:57 <spidey> if your civ gets destroyed
23:57 <spidey> you don't get points
23:57 <spidey> you're out
23:57 <Vanhayes> true
23:57 <spidey> your civ
23:57 <spidey> destroyed
23:57 <spidey> :)
23:57 <Vanhayes> well I gave up and went to bed at 6 am
23:57 <Vanhayes> got up 4 hours later
23:58 <spidey> luci would have taken your city anyways :p
23:58 <Vanhayes> I mean I gave up before that
23:58 <Vanhayes> I gave all my cities to luke
23:58 <spidey> so did i
23:58 <TiTnAsS> do you guys CONSTANTLY paly this game? lol
23:58 <Vanhayes> nah
23:58 <TiTnAsS> every time ive came here, you guys have been playing it
23:59 <TiTnAsS> mostly the same game to..
23:59 <Vanhayes> I played one game over the last two days
23:59 <Vanhayes> lol
23:59 <TiTnAsS> yeah, cuz they last for 2 days
23:59 <TiTnAsS> lo
23:59 <spidey> lol
23:59 <Vanhayes> that one I think took 8 hours and It still wasnt done
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00:00 <TiTnAsS> i wonder how long its been since dev went to jail....lol....
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, vanhayes, you see, when you guys finished in america, what was next?
00:14 <wrtlprnft_> TiTnAsS: they just started a few days ago
00:17 <TiTnAsS> i know wrtlprnft_
00:17 <TiTnAsS> afk
00:17 * wrtlprnft_ just noticed he apparently timed out sometime
00:17 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
00:21 <spidey> hmm
00:21 <spidey> i'ma have to make a phpscript that excludes a certain name for a text file -_-
00:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:22 <spidey> damned soldat "who's online" file has bot names included
00:22 <spidey> and i use 20 or so bots
00:22 <wrtlprnft> can't you use sed or grep -v?
00:22 <spidey> i can
00:22 <wrtlprnft> depending on if you want to remove the whole line or just the word
00:22 <spidey> but i'm putting it on a webpage
00:22 <spidey> so php :)
00:23 <wrtlprnft> system("grep -v blah")
00:23 <spidey> system is disabled
00:23 <spidey> safemode is on
00:23 <wrtlprnft> screw save_mode
00:23 <wrtlprnft> or safe_mode
00:23 <spidey> could probably use java
00:23 <spidey> but i'm lazy
00:23 <spidey> php would be easier
00:24 <wrtlprnft> well
00:24 <wrtlprnft> <?php
00:24 <wrtlprnft> $file = file("somefile.txt");
00:24 <wrtlprnft> foreach ($file as $line) {
00:24 <wrtlprnft> if(!strstr($line, 'someword'))
00:25 <wrtlprnft> print (htmlspecialchars($line));
00:25 <wrtlprnft> ?>
00:25 <wrtlprnft> where's the problem?
00:25 <Self_Destructo> er, what game were youg guys talking about?
00:25 <spidey> not that easy wrtl :p
00:25 <wrtlprnft> err, add an exta } in the last line
00:26 <spidey> well maybe
00:26 <spidey> but not the way i'ma do it
00:26 <wrtlprnft> that's because i suggested it :P
00:27 <spidey> lol
00:27 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=scores
00:27 <spidey> fortress doesn't have highscores?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> only in singleplay mode
00:28 <wrtlprnft> and it's personal scores
00:28 <wrtlprnft> so if you just keep taking the zone you won't get onto it
00:29 <wrtlprnft> you have to kill the AI
00:29 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo:
00:29 <luke-jr_> we play two games
00:29 <luke-jr_> Armagetron
00:29 <luke-jr_> and Freeciv
00:30 <wrtlprnft> btw, earning money with arma: I just earned 200 bucks indirectly :P
00:30 <luke-jr_> ?
00:30 <wrtlprnft> I'm doing some scripting for someone who i got to know in arma :)
00:31 <wrtlprnft> beat that with turnaments and server hosting :)
00:33 <luke-jr_> that's not arma related tho =_=
00:34 <wrtlprnft> well, without arma i wouldn't have known him
00:34 <wrtlprnft> and he wouldn't have known my abilities ;)
00:36 <luke-jr_> so? =p
00:36 <wrtlprnft> just because you're regularily talking about new ways to make money
00:37 <luke-jr_> not regularly =p
00:37 <Self_Destructo> hahaha
00:37 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo: on that topic, how's rc3?
00:37 <Self_Destructo> luke-jr just made $910 off of me :p
00:37 <Self_Destructo> ah, you didn't tell me it was there
00:38 <Self_Destructo> I'll look at it now
00:38 <luke-jr_> o heh
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00:39 <luke-jr_> grr, freeciv crashed
00:39 <luke-jr_> i was doing pretty good too
00:40 <wrtlprnft> just rejoin or load a savegame?
00:40 <Self_Destructo> how did we go from 6.5 MB down to 3.9?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> by default it saves every 10 minutes
00:40 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: does it? where?
00:40 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo: not sure, lemme check
00:40 <wrtlprnft> uh, never tried to actually load a savegame, second
00:40 * luke-jr_ grumbles about how his devel for this program spans 4 machines =p
00:41 <wrtlprnft> uh, there's a menu point "load"
00:41 <Self_Destructo> lol, not all of the program is there, hehe
00:41 <wrtlprnft> for me it has a whole bunch of autosaves
00:41 <wrtlprnft> just need to find the latest one
00:41 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo: eh?
00:42 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo: where do you see this?
00:43 <Self_Destructo> [ ] wordcount-0.3.rc3-wi..> 06-Jul-2006 03:16 3.9M
00:44 <Self_Destructo> er
00:44 <luke-jr_> that's 0.3.rc3, not 1.0.rc3 ...
00:44 <Self_Destructo> yeah... there isn't a 1.0.rc3
00:44 <luke-jr_> 1.0.rc3 is the same size
00:44 <luke-jr_> eh
00:44 * luke-jr_ peers
00:44 <spidey> Warning: fopen(http://spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org/scores.txt): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! in /home/acid/public_html/phpscripts/score2.php on line 2
00:44 <spidey> Could not open file players.txt
00:44 <spidey> Warning: fgetc(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/acid/public_html/phpscripts/score2.php on line 6
00:44 <spidey> hmm
00:45 <spidey> wtf
00:45 <Self_Destructo> looks like I have played freeciv before
00:45 <spidey> it's worked for days
00:45 <spidey> -_-
00:45 <Self_Destructo> must not have liked it, or didn't take the time to learn it
00:45 <luke-jr_> it takes time
00:46 <spidey> luke-jr_ restart the server?
00:46 <Self_Destructo> yeah, IIRC, I got frustrated and quit
00:46 <luke-jr_> spidey: hm, it's not responding to SSH for me at all.. you?
00:46 <luke-jr_> Self_Destructo: we're planning a TRON mod
00:47 <spidey> ssh?
00:47 <spidey> sec
00:47 <Self_Destructo> i gtg, it's my only chance to get home between thunderstorms
00:47 <Self_Destructo> cool
00:47 <Self_Destructo> cya
00:47 <wrtlprnft> cya
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00:48 <spidey> luke-jr_, it's not
00:48 <spidey> but it's not timing out either
00:48 <spidey> weird
00:48 <spidey> normally i get a network connection: refused, timed out
00:48 <spidey> or something
00:48 <spidey> i get nothing :s
00:49 <luke-jr_> spidey: think it ran out of RAM :|
00:50 <spidey> lol
00:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: doing a reboot on the server
00:50 <spidey> how?
00:50 <spidey> you can't connect remember :p
00:50 <luke-jr_> 24/7 tech support =p
00:50 <spidey> lmao
00:50 <luke-jr_> they're pretty fast
00:50 <spidey> this isn't the first time it's done that
00:50 <luke-jr_> I need to remember to restart the Arma servers every day
00:50 <luke-jr_> they leak
00:51 <spidey> at first i thought you just restarted it or something
00:51 <luke-jr_> I think I'll put DEDICATED_IDLE 1 in everyone's config...
00:51 * wrtlprnft has it in his config
00:51 <wrtlprnft> before my server used to crash all the time
00:51 <wrtlprnft> now it runs fine
00:51 <spidey> hmm
00:51 <spidey> my server's been up for days and days and days
00:51 <spidey> actually
00:52 <luke-jr_> we should figure out why it leaks and such
00:52 <spidey> i think it's going on a week
00:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: leakfinders aren't finding anything
00:52 <spidey> i need to make a uptime script for the tron server
00:52 <wrtlprnft> probably the memory is correctly freed at shutdown
00:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: doesn't change the fact that it does leak =p
00:53 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
00:53 <spidey> 23:54:01 up 55 days, 5:19, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.09, 0.08
00:53 <luke-jr_> maybe
00:53 <wrtlprnft> so it isn
00:53 <wrtlprnft> 't technically a leak
00:53 <luke-jr_> it is
00:53 <luke-jr_> freeing a leak at exit doesn't make it not a leak
00:53 <wrtlprnft> so IRSSI leaks too if it keeps an infinite backlog?
00:54 <luke-jr_> no, as it has use for that
00:54 <luke-jr_> leaks are when no-longer-needed stuff is left in memory
00:54 <luke-jr_> arma shouldn't have any long term stuff
00:54 <luke-jr_> at the start of each round, it should have the same memory usage
00:54 <spidey> hmm
00:54 <spidey> ahhh
00:54 <luke-jr_> provided the same config
00:55 <spidey> maybe that's why
00:55 <wrtlprnft> well, find the stuff and kill it :P
00:55 <luke-jr_> no clue how
00:55 <spidey> my webserver crashes when i run 2 tron servers on it
00:55 <luke-jr_> maybe z-man can make the leak finder do comparisons before and after a round
00:56 <luke-jr_> can you shutdown an armaserver from radmin?
00:57 <luke-jr_> hey spidey
00:57 <luke-jr_> go use radmin to set DEDICATED_IDLE plz
00:57 <luke-jr_> nm
00:57 <luke-jr_> reboot in progress
00:57 <luke-jr_> actually, try it anyway
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00:59 <luke-jr_> ...
01:00 <Your_mom_arma> ?
01:01 <wrtlprnft> that's his reaction to almost everything
01:01 <wrtlprnft> ...
01:01 <Your_mom_arma> oh
01:02 <Your_mom_arma> ...
01:03 <luke-jr_> lol
01:03 <luke-jr_> ..
01:03 <wrtlprnft> .
01:08 <luke-jr_> bah
01:08 <luke-jr_> it started responding again and THEN they reboot it
01:08 * spidey goes to find a freeciv game
01:08 <spidey> lol
01:08 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:08 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:09 <spidey> only 1 pregame
01:09 <spidey> -_-
01:09 <luke-jr_> spidey: wanna play?
01:09 <spidey> sure
01:09 <spidey> Your_mom_arma?
01:09 <Your_mom_arma> theres what 10 servers?
01:10 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: GodTodd guru3 Lucifer_arma Vanhayes TiTnAsS wrtlprnft Your_mom_arma
01:10 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_:
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> im down i guess
01:10 <spidey> :D
01:10 <spidey> can we use Lucifer_arma's server? i like the world map :D
01:10 <deja_vu> *yawn*
01:10 <Vanhayes> want to try a different one?
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> if the game crashes like last time :-[
01:11 <spidey> Your_mom_arma it crashes alot on me to
01:11 <spidey> i just reconnect
01:11 <spidey> luke-jr_ port?
01:11 <luke-jr_> um
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> I can start up a slightly modified world map, I've been screwing with it, but I can't play right now
01:11 <spidey> k
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I need to wait a couple of days before I start another long game :)
01:11 <spidey> lol
01:11 <luke-jr_> 5565
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> looks like you guys are pregaming already
01:11 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Extras there is some other maps
01:12 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: 5565
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, mine's started if you want to play there
01:13 <Vanhayes> I would
01:13 <Vanhayes> I like the map
01:13 <luke-jr_> we're all on 5565
01:13 <Vanhayes> have you started?
01:13 <spidey> no
01:13 <luke-jr_> waiting for you\
01:13 <spidey> set a timeout luke
01:13 <luke-jr_> no
01:13 <luke-jr_> timeout later
01:13 <spidey> yes
01:14 <luke-jr_> okok
01:14 <spidey> i forget to click turn done alot
01:14 <Vanhayes> set a 2 minute timeout
01:14 <spidey> lol
01:14 <Vanhayes> not a 40 second one -_-
01:14 <spidey> 40 is plenty of time :p
01:14 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: 3 min
01:15 <luke-jr_> variable reduction
01:15 <Vanhayes> if you think that then your doing somthing wrong spidey
01:15 <spidey> am i?
01:15 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: sounds good
01:15 <spidey> how so?
01:15 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: or we're scripting more than you ;)
01:15 <spidey> i do good with a 40 second timeout
01:15 <spidey> i plan ahead
01:15 <spidey> and move inbetween
01:15 <Vanhayes> um at the start its ok
01:15 <spidey> that's all you need :)
01:15 <spidey> Vanhayes coming or not?
01:15 <Vanhayes> but everyone was taking alot more than 40 second
01:16 <spidey> no
01:16 <spidey> i just forget to click turn done
01:16 <spidey> and you was taking the longest :p
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, it takes time to move
01:17 <spidey> nah
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> and to plan and stuff. Some of us like to plan our campaigns without being invaded :)
01:17 <spidey> well
01:17 <spidey> i do fine with it
01:17 <luke-jr_> I plan while I wait for spidey et al
01:18 <spidey> maybe because i get 6-7 cities and build them to super cities
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> not me, i still dont know how to play
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> also, if I play during the day, the timeout is a serious handicap when I have to get up and break up fights between my kids
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> I could go to settle their fight, come back and find most of my cities conquered and the rest building coinage
01:22 <luke-jr_> or you could yell at them from your seat and continue playing o.o =p
01:23 <Vanhayes> I usually use the option end turn when done moving,
01:23 <Vanhayes> but forgot to use it last game
01:23 <Vanhayes> spidey might ;ile to use that one...
01:24 <Vanhayes> like*
01:24 <luke-jr_> how does it know when you're done?
01:25 <Vanhayes> when none of your units can move
01:25 <Vanhayes> thats why I move troops last
01:30 <luke-jr_> just cuz they can't move doesn't mean you can't script them
01:30 <luke-jr_> why can't I build the great library? :|
01:31 <Vanhayes> ?
01:31 <Vanhayes> get literacy and wrighting
01:32 <luke-jr_> :|
01:32 <Vanhayes> well actually dont bother ill have it first
01:33 <luke-jr_> >:O
01:34 <Vanhayes> ive already started it and if you cant even start it yet there is no point trying
01:34 <luke-jr_> maybe I can beat you
01:34 <luke-jr_> =p
01:34 <Vanhayes> ive already started it ...
01:34 <luke-jr_> so?
01:34 <luke-jr_> not all cities build equally fast
01:35 <Vanhayes> I know but this one is.... quick
01:36 <Vanhayes> that has to be my favorite wonder
01:39 <Vanhayes> thats one reason why i didnt want ais too
01:39 <Vanhayes> people can join in
01:41 <luke-jr_> that's ok
01:41 <luke-jr_> as long as they're new
01:42 <Vanhayes> well there really is no way of telling
01:42 <Vanhayes> and by the time we realise they arent its too late
01:43 <Vanhayes> o well though, cant change it
02:27 <Vanhayes> ack
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03:29 <Your_mom_arma> he's going to blow me up
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03:37 <ghableska> hello
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03:43 <Your_mom_arma> hey
03:44 <Vanhayes> hey ghab
03:44 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska *
03:44 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
03:44 <ghableska> :P
04:14 <Vanhayes> Bah I hate playing with ais
04:14 <Vanhayes> kenya is too strong
04:15 <ghableska> O_o
04:15 <ghableska> What server?
04:17 <Vanhayes> lol
04:17 <Vanhayes> its not armagetron
04:17 <Vanhayes> its freeciv
04:18 <Vanhayes> me luke-jr_ Your_mom_arma and spidey were playing agame
04:18 <ghableska> Oooh, lol.
04:18 <ghableska> Is it fun?
04:18 <Vanhayes> yes, without ai it is
04:18 <ghableska> Lol.
04:19 <Vanhayes> the games take a long time to play though
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04:52 <Lucifer_arma> you guys still playing?
05:02 <GodTodd> seems so
05:02 <GodTodd> heh
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05:06 <Vanhayes> I quit about an hour ago
05:07 <Vanhayes> the ai kenya had 550 points before we were in ad
05:07 <Vanhayes> and the next closest was 230
05:08 <luke-jr_> Kenya is killing us
05:09 <spidey> dude
05:09 <spidey> that game is over
05:09 <spidey> you should see his army
05:09 <spidey> it's beyond fucking huge
05:09 <spidey> he whiped me out
05:09 <spidey> :/
05:09 <spidey> and i had a good defense
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, in a little bit I"ll be ready to play, anybody interested?
05:14 <luke-jr_> maybe
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05:14 <dino__> heh
05:14 <dino__> the ai was sucks on that game
05:14 <spidey> um
05:14 <spidey> one condition Lucifer_arma
05:14 <spidey> NO FUCKING AI'S WHAT SO EVER
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> what's that?
05:14 <GodTodd> i might be able to play for a couple of hours heh
05:15 <luke-jr_> dino__: IIRC, it made US sucks =p
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine. :)
05:15 <dino__> yeah luke
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> I modified the earth map to default to no ais
05:15 <dino__> but i was doing better
05:15 <spidey> appearently i pissed him off because he couldn't take my cities like he was taking luke's and Your_mom_arma
05:15 <dino__> if i played to against you
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> I was interested in playing the europe map, though
05:15 <dino__> i would have grow :p
05:15 * dino__ humps Your_mom_arma
05:15 <dino__> :p
05:15 <spidey> he unloaded a army as big as U.S. russia china and japan combined
05:16 <dino__> ok why dont you just restart the game?
05:16 <luke-jr_> yeah, he fought everyone at the same time
05:16 <dino__> im gonna get my double apple smoke
05:16 <spidey> btw
05:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm ok with that
05:16 <spidey> freeciv sucks
05:16 <luke-jr_> but
05:16 <spidey> 1 reason
05:16 <luke-jr_> no war -.-
05:16 <spidey> you think firefox is a resource hog?
05:16 <spidey> i was freezing every round
05:16 <spidey> units moved alot i lagged
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> that wasn't you, that was the server doing a bunch of shit
05:16 <dino__> spidey, nah, your computer is sucks ;)
05:16 <luke-jr_> that's not the game tho
05:16 <luke-jr_> that's the AI
05:16 <spidey> mine?
05:16 <spidey> shit
05:17 <luke-jr_> no
05:17 <luke-jr_> the server
05:17 <dino__> i brb
05:17 <spidey> you're crazy to :p
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, I won't promise no war, but I'll promise no early fighting, at least not from me
05:17 <Your_mom_arma> heh im still alive
05:17 <spidey> moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - (5.1.2600) uptime: 1day 18hrs 49mins 50secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz at 2193MHz (2% Load) gfx: Intel Corporation Intel(R) 82845G Graphics Controller 64MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 503/503MB (100%) hdd: C:\ 21.09GB/91.76GB Free F:\ 7.71GB/12.72GB Free net: - 0MB/s In, Out
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I want to try something different
05:17 <spidey> how's that suck besides it's windows?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, if nobody minds, I'd like to play carthage if it's available
05:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: freeciv used very little RAM and CPU-- certainly less than firefox
05:17 <spidey> BULLSHIT
05:18 <spidey> it was using 51mb easy
05:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: only 512 MB RAM =p
05:18 <spidey> that was after i left
05:18 <spidey> before i closed it
05:18 <spidey> i wonder what it was while i was connected
05:18 <luke-jr_> 51 MB is less than firefox =p
05:18 <spidey> nah
05:18 <spidey> firefox is using 36mb
05:18 <luke-jr_> hm
05:19 <luke-jr_> civclient uses 18 MB here
05:19 <luke-jr_> and besides, games *should* use more
05:19 <GodTodd> mines using 56MB....but then i have a shitload of pages open heh
05:19 <luke-jr_> than a mere browser
05:19 <spidey> halo doesn't even use 51mbit
05:20 <spidey> and it's 3d
05:20 <luke-jr_> Halo is trash
05:20 <luke-jr_> 3D is handled by your video card
05:20 <luke-jr_> bet it has at least 51 MB RAM
05:20 <spidey> luke-jr_ is trash
05:21 <spidey> my video card has 64mb video ram
05:21 <spidey> didn't you read those stats?
05:21 <spidey> !moo
05:21 <spidey> hmm
05:21 <spidey> type !moo
05:21 <luke-jr_> 64 > 51
05:21 <spidey> i was talking about ram
05:22 <spidey> not video ram
05:22 <spidey> freeciv was using 51mb
05:22 <luke-jr_> it's 2D
05:22 <luke-jr_> a 3D game would use video RAM
05:22 <luke-jr_> so you wouldn't know how much
05:22 <spidey> ok
05:22 <spidey> i don't care
05:22 <spidey> it lags me
05:22 <spidey> i know that
05:22 <spidey> that's all i need to know :)
05:22 <spidey> it's a resource hog,just like firefox
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> that's the network connection, though. How does it do with a local game?
05:23 <spidey> about the same
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's how it used to be for me, and that was the reason I didn't play it
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm a go grab a smoke, then when I come back I'll be ready to play
05:25 <dino__> k back
05:28 <dino__> spidey, i told ya build cities as many as you can
05:29 <dino__> Your_mom_arma, too
05:29 <dino__> you were so easy
05:29 <dino__> mama was only building barraks and harbors
05:29 <dino__> and police stations
05:29 <dino__> hahaha
05:29 <spidey> dino__ that doesn't matter
05:30 <spidey> he had a army no one could beat
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> heh pick on the noobie so he didnt want to play anymore, good tactic
05:30 <spidey> i mean he unloaded 1/15th of his army on my island
05:30 <dino__> who? :P
05:30 <spidey> abd whiped me out without losing one unit
05:30 <dino__> your island was stinky
05:30 <spidey> that kaneyo guy
05:30 <spidey> psh
05:31 <dino__> use the caravels to move settlers and build cities in another island
05:31 <spidey> if it wasn't for that AI i would have invaded your ass
05:31 <spidey> :)
05:31 <dino__> to learn things you need more cities
05:31 <dino__> yay
05:31 <dino__> ;P
05:31 <dino__> i got rockets and heliocapter
05:31 <spidey> i had a ton of cruise missles
05:31 <spidey> so did i
05:31 <Vanhayes> he invaded my island early and cut off one of my best cities from each other
05:31 <spidey> my carrier was to far away to make it back in time
05:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: the only slowness comes from the AIs
05:31 <dino__> Vanhayes
05:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: the AI units all move individually, and AFTER the humans
05:31 <Vanhayes> dino__:
05:32 <dino__> who did
05:32 <Vanhayes> kenya
05:32 <dino__> Vanhayes, it was my fault
05:32 <dino__> i let that ai grow
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm ready. who wants to start a game?
05:32 * luke-jr_ blames dino__ =p
05:32 <dino__> ok luke
05:32 <Vanhayes> what map?
05:32 <spidey> wait
05:32 <dino__> lets pwn canada
05:32 <spidey> can i make a pizza
05:32 <spidey> ? :p
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter a lot. I'll take the world map or europe.
05:32 <dino__> spidey no
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, go make a pizza spidey :)
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> I want to chat a bit first anyway
05:33 * Vanhayes wanted to try europe or japan map
05:33 <spidey> noooooooooooo
05:33 <dino__> who was lucifer on the game
05:33 <Vanhayes> he wasnt
05:33 <spidey> he didn't play
05:33 <dino__> freenode isn't so friendly for chat
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> probably someone else, there's a Lucifer in the freeciv community already
05:33 <spidey> dino__, you're dead this game....no AI to stop me :)
05:33 <Vanhayes> lol
05:33 <dino__> spidey, ok we'll see
05:33 <dino__> :p
05:33 <spidey> ;D
05:33 <spidey> pizza brb
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> so if we play the europe map, what civilizations do you guys want?
05:34 <dino__> I blame canada!
05:34 <Vanhayes> ya im going back to most of my old tactics
05:34 <luke-jr_> dino__: FreeNode is fine
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I want anything in north africa and/or the middle east
05:34 <Vanhayes> #canada
05:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Japan
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take britain, ireland, or anything in scandinavia too
05:34 * dino__ << aladdin
05:34 <dino__> haha
05:34 <Vanhayes> I might like greece
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I don't think there's a japanese option on the europe map
05:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: add it
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> Russia would be the closest you'll get :)
05:35 <Vanhayes> lol but there is a japanese map
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> havne't figured out spawn points yet, the map format is weird
05:35 <dino__> Lucifer_arma, there is Arab right?
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> don't know for sure, let me fire up my client real quick and tell you :)
05:35 <dino__> ok
05:36 <dino__> i'll make sure to conquer canada so fast
05:36 <dino__> :d
05:36 <spidey> don't count on it
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's all modern countries, sorry
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> Israel and Turkey are the closest you'll get
05:36 * Lucifer_arma looks for libya
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> nothing on north africa at all
05:37 <Vanhayes> italy map looks pretty fun too
05:37 <luke-jr_> Korea?
05:37 <spidey> chinese?
05:37 <Vanhayes> ... in europe?
05:37 <luke-jr_> No asia?
05:37 <Vanhayes> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/maps/europe-100x50-iso.gif
05:37 <luke-jr_> I don't do geography
05:37 <Vanhayes> not on a europe map
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I could play the world map again, I like the world map we had
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> got a link to the japan map?
05:38 <spidey> yes
05:38 <spidey> use it
05:38 <spidey> :D
05:38 <luke-jr_> can we just play??
05:38 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Extras all amps
05:38 <Vanhayes> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/maps/japan-88x100.gif japan
05:38 <spidey> luke-jr_ we?? who invited you?? :p
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, what map? The server's running already with the world map
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> If we play the world map, what do you want?
05:38 * luke-jr_ kicks spidey
05:38 <spidey> world map!
05:39 <luke-jr_> let's just play!
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you up for it?
05:39 <luke-jr_> he's there
05:39 <luke-jr_> waiting
05:39 <luke-jr_> for you
05:39 <Vanhayes> we could play north america too
05:39 <spidey> host ?
05:39 <spidey> name
05:39 <luke-jr_> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www
05:39 <armabot> luke-jr_: [16:46:27] <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Client_Manual#Citizen_Management_Agent_.28CMA.29_detailed
05:39 <luke-jr_> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
05:39 <spidey> lol
05:39 <armabot> luke-jr_: [06:04:45] <Lucifer_arma> ok, www.davefancella.com 5555
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyone else?
05:40 <luke-jr_> dino__: ...
05:40 <luke-jr_> coming?
05:40 <spidey> yes
05:40 <spidey> so i can kill him :D
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> LAST CALL FOR FREECIV PLAYERS!!!!!!!
05:41 <luke-jr_> dino__: dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__
05:41 <spidey> waaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt
05:41 <spidey> pizza almost done :)
05:42 <luke-jr_> dino__: dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__
05:42 <luke-jr_> dino__: dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__
05:42 * luke-jr_ stabs dino__
05:42 <luke-jr_> dino__: you're gonna miss it
05:43 <luke-jr_> and we ain't got any AIs for you
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: you ready?
05:46 <luke-jr_> dino__: idler
05:46 <luke-jr_> dino__: dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__ dino__
05:46 <luke-jr_> we are starting
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> that's it dino, if you don't join now, you hae to wait for spidey to go into civil war
05:47 <luke-jr_> lol
05:47 <spidey> :/
05:52 <luke-jr_> too late
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06:03 <luke-jr_> how lame
06:05 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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07:35 <spidey> ???
08:32 <TiTnAsS> whats the freeciv site? i wanna read the instructions
08:34 <GodTodd> www.freeciv.org
08:36 <TiTnAsS> ty
08:36 <GodTodd> yw
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08:41 <TiTnAsS> hmm
08:42 <TiTnAsS> each time you make a city you lose your settler you used to make it correct? whered my 3rd guy i started with go then?.. lol
08:47 <spidey> #last --from armabot --with www.
08:47 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 507 messages.
09:03 <guru3> damn i don't get why it's so cold in the middle of summer :/
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10:04 <Vanhayes> #night
10:04 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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10:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma:
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11:23 <spidey> deja_vu
11:23 <spidey> #night
11:23 <armabot> Good night spidey!
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: are you still there?
11:32 <deja_vu> hey spidey :P
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13:16 * spidey yawn
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13:48 <cusco> tuntz tuntz
13:48 <spidey> ewwwwwwwwww
13:48 <cusco> w00t?
13:48 <spidey> it's....it's....who are you??
13:48 <spidey> :p
13:48 <cusco> hehehe
13:49 * spidey drops kicks luke-jr_then goes back to sleep
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14:30 <dino__> you n00bs
14:33 <dino__> luke , are you sleeping? :)
14:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6088 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added Sandbox::Import()
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16:13 <wrtlprnft> #ping
16:14 <armabot> pong
16:14 <wrtlprnft> so i'm there :)
16:14 <dino__> k
16:15 <dino__> wrtlprnft, you been playing freeciv with us last night
16:16 <wrtlprnft> not last night, no
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16:16 <wrtlprnft> wtf
16:16 <wrtlprnft> err
16:16 <wrtlprnft> stupid
16:16 <dino__> your connection
16:16 <dino__> :d
16:16 <wrtlprnft_> o_O
16:16 <wrtlprnft> irssi connected twice
16:17 <wrtlprnft_> hi
16:17 <dino__> ok find some players
16:17 <wrtlprnft> hi
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16:17 <wrtlprnft> can't play right now. I have work to do if ed comes back
16:17 <wrtlprnft> and I get a headache from playing freeciv :s
16:18 <wrtlprnft> mostly because i have to be really close to the screen to read that darn font
16:18 <dino__> haha yea
16:18 <wrtlprnft> I wonder what those guys smoked when they set the chat font size
16:22 <dino__> hash
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17:40 <endopterygotic> 13 test it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
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17:47 <ghableska> hello
17:51 <Meaw> hi
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18:36 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6090 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/tTypemaps.i: Added REAL typedef
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19:44 <guru3> the absolute worst part about doctor phil is
19:44 <guru3> is he goes "yes, can i help you with your problems? ok, i think i know what's going on..."
19:44 <guru3> and then
19:44 <guru3> COMMERCIAL BREAK
19:44 <guru3> YOUR PROBLEMS TAKE BACK SEAT MUAHAHAHAHA
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20:25 <dino_> anyone alive?
20:25 <dino_> spidey, you canadian!
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20:26 <Meaw> spidey, yo
20:26 <luke-jr_> ...
20:26 <Meaw> luke
20:26 <Meaw> hi
20:27 <Meaw> lets kick some butt in freeciv
20:28 <luke-jr_> not now
20:28 <Meaw> ok
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20:59 <DrJoeTron> blegh
20:59 <DrJoeTron> im never moving again
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22:23 <wrtlprnft> wow, lots of problems here today
22:23 <wrtlprnft> anyways
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:23 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:28 <dino__> hi
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01:00 <dino__> luke-jr_,
01:00 <dino__> lets have our server
01:00 <dino__> those guys have good experince
01:01 <guru3> surely not more freeciv?
01:01 <dino__> it is freeciv
01:01 <guru3> D:
01:01 <dino__> im in ready server if you wanna play
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01:13 <ghableska_> wb
01:13 <guru3> thnx
01:37 <luke-jr_> guru3: why don't you setup IPv6 normally? =p
01:38 <luke-jr_> I know your host address isn't just '1' =p
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04:20 <luke-jr_> yay
04:20 <luke-jr_> I won a game
04:20 <ghableska_> :D
04:20 <luke-jr_> with AIs
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04:29 <DrJoeTron> way to go luke! fight the machine!
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> then you should have no problems defeating anhayes :)
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> so has anybody figured out how to add spawn points to a save game?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so we can add inca and aussie (and japan, for luke) ?
04:33 <TiTnAsS> luci
04:33 <TiTnAsS> you there?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> no
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> what?
04:34 <TiTnAsS> i read a good chunk of the manual, and played a bit, but in freeciv, how do you get gold?..
04:34 <TiTnAsS> lol..
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> taxes
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's a balance between taxes, science, and luxury, where taxes is gold, science is technology (of course), and luxury makes happy citizens
04:34 <TiTnAsS> yeah, i noticed that, every time i tried to change the balance, it reverted when i hit close
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> taxes are on trade. When you look at a city, you see that the city produces something that looks like this: 5/4/2
04:35 <TiTnAsS> also, the more citys, the more tax, the more money?
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, cities produce food/shield/trade . So when you see a number like that on a city, that's what it means
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> taxes are on trade specifically
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> then, if you send out caravans (which you should), when the caravan arrives and you setup a trade route, you get a cash bonus
04:36 <TiTnAsS> oic
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> you also get increased trade for both cities which turns into tax revenue
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> when you conquer a city, you usually loot some of the other player's treasury
04:36 <TiTnAsS> i havnt gotten to building trade routes or anything yet lol
04:36 <TiTnAsS> so far, what ive done, is built a few citys, and made a few additional warriors/settlers ^^
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, you can sell city improvements for their cash value, but you only do that when you need to lower expenses or raise money quickly
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> ah, focus on developing the cities. Try working with the CMA tab in the city dialog, too, I found that very helpful.
04:37 <TiTnAsS> and some random random ai unit walk over to me, but then i didnt know what to do.. and i followed it to some city, but once again i didnt know what to do lol
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, roads generate trade, irrigation generates food, and mines generate shields
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> you can build all of that stuff with settlers, workers, and engineers
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to start putting about half of my workers/engineers on auto-settler and keeping the other half under manual control for special projects
04:38 <TiTnAsS> what are warriors for early in the game?
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> war?
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> here's how war works :)
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> with a unit, you have a rating that looks like this: 4/4/1 Musketeer
04:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: It's not Vanhayes_ I'm worried about
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's attack/defense/movement
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> when you attack a unit, it's your unit's attack vs the other units defense + some random element
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> in a city, if you attack a city, you kill one unit at a time
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> out in the open, if you attack a square with lots of units and win, you kill all of them at once
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's true in a fort, too. A fort behaves like a regular square, so I prefer to build cities instead of forts. Cities also get built quickly. :)
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04:40 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm worried about them barbarians
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'll take care of the barbarians for you :)
04:40 <luke-jr_> suuure
04:40 <TiTnAsS> yeah, i tried to attack with my warrior, but the attack move button was shaded out
04:40 <luke-jr_> you don't even have a city
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably somewhere around 3-4 hours from actually mounting the invasion
04:40 <luke-jr_> attack move button?
04:40 <luke-jr_> wtf is that
04:40 <TiTnAsS> in order
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> wait, I'm playing Stalin still, remember?
04:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, that's Van
04:41 <TiTnAsS> i think it said attack move, but maybe im accidentally using wc3 terms
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> you attack by moving into a square occupied by an enemy
04:41 * spidey yawns
04:41 <TiTnAsS> ah, it wouldnt let me move into the square the other unit was in
04:41 <luke-jr_> cuz it don't like u
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: well, I thought we were going to pick up where we left off last night? We saved it off when you and spidey cut out, that same turn
04:41 <TiTnAsS> does that mean its allied?
04:41 <luke-jr_> the game has a bias, you see
04:41 <TiTnAsS> - -;
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can pass through allied units
04:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, that was just practice anyhow
04:42 <TiTnAsS> hmm, guess im just a fob ^^
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I know what you ran into. You can't attack when you're at peace or neutral with the other guy
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> you have to declare war to be able to attack him :)
04:42 <TiTnAsS> also, i overheard you guys talking about keeping some settlers and stuff in the cities to help build it up, and i put a few in, but i didnt see what it was supposed to help with
04:42 <luke-jr_> wtf
04:42 <luke-jr_> no
04:42 <TiTnAsS> -.-
04:42 <luke-jr_> settlers settle
04:42 <luke-jr_> that's all
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: well, either we start a new game or restore that one. If you guys want to finish the game with Vanhayes, then someone else needs to host it, or you need to tell me when you're going to play it so I can run it and do something else
04:43 <TiTnAsS> or engineers, or whatever units they were
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> you can use settlers to build roads too, but you're usually better off using them to build cities
04:43 <TiTnAsS> i know what they are for ^^
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> you don't keep them inside the city square itself. See, the city square is just a city square, the city itself expands around that square with workers
04:43 <TiTnAsS> i thought i heard someone say keep units inside cities to help them grow
04:43 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play as long as some random guy doesnt come in and take over all my cities just because im the noob whos playing as america
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you use the Worker unit and engineers (after you get explosives) to build roads, irrigate, and mines, and railroads
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "developing the city". You do that and you build city improvements
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: we usually play on my server, so it's just friends
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> so if someone owns you for being a noob, it'll be someone you'll meet up in arma and can own them in return :)
04:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
04:45 <TiTnAsS> hmm
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> but most of us prefer to have at least gunpowder before we make war, I like to have cruise missiles, so I tend to be very peaceful for a long time
04:45 <TiTnAsS> i guess back to testing vs ais
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> actually, you might be better off joining a game with us, if you can hit "turn done" at a reasonable interval :)
04:46 <TiTnAsS> your mom, are you newb like me? ^^
04:46 <TiTnAsS> hmm, have you guys started yeT?
04:46 <TiTnAsS> i wont have to take over someone elses area? - -;
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about half an hour away from being ready to start. Trying to outwait my wife.
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> if I start playing before she goes to bed, she'll stay up an extra hour and barrage me with small-talk
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> if we play on the world map again, though, I'd like to figure out spawn points and add aussie and inca to the map
04:47 <TiTnAsS> btw, im trying to keep to one line, so just say if im taking to many ^^, i dont WANT to be a troll
04:48 <TiTnAsS> did you make the world map?
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, just don't break up a line into 4-5 lines that are all part of a complete thought at random parts of the sentence. :)
04:48 <TiTnAsS> lol
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, it came with the game, but I've been kind of modifying it to suit us
04:48 <TiTnAsS> ah
04:49 <TiTnAsS> oh, another question, what are spaceships for? it doesnt look like there is space on this map.. lol
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me. What tech level do you guys want now? Heh. Also, I'd prefer to slow down technological advancement.
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't space on the map. Spaceships are for winning the game.
04:49 <TiTnAsS> ?
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> The winner of the game is the first person who: (broken up intentionally)
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> Conquers the world
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> *OR*
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> Sends a space ship to alpha centauri
04:49 <TiTnAsS> ic
04:49 <spidey> you guys playing again?
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> half an hour for me
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> *in half an hour for me
04:50 <spidey> hmm
04:50 * spidey wonders how long he slept for
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> so you didn't work out spawn points in the map?
04:50 <spidey> i THINK i went to sleep at 6am,but probably didn't
04:50 <TiTnAsS> spidey, wanna go on tron til luci wants to play?
04:51 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,no i just woke up
04:51 <spidey> -_-
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> I want to put the tech speed thingee at somewheres around 12 instead of 4. I thought tech development was just too fast.
04:51 <spidey> maybe
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means if we're going to finish the game in less than a week, we have to fight instead of trying for spaceships :/
04:52 <spidey> lol
04:52 * spidey goes to look at the world map while eating ice cream
04:52 <TiTnAsS> hmm
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> settlers=2
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> explorer=2
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> what do those do?
04:53 <spidey> what you start with?
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04:53 <TiTnAsS> ?
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's somewhere else, the starting unit string
04:56 <Your_mom_arma> set it to 100 if it crashes then we did something wrong
04:56 <spidey> todd?
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> see, (63,31) for the Mongol starting point is wrong if you try to match it up on the map
04:57 <spidey> no
04:57 <spidey> this is gonna take forever
04:57 <TiTnAsS> i wish i could run a server just to fool around with joe -.-
04:57 <spidey> i gotta count those A's -_-
04:58 <Vanhayes> ?
04:58 <spidey> y = t000-t089
04:58 <Vanhayes> so how did you guys do against the AI last night?
04:58 <spidey> x = those stupid A's
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 167-107
04:58 <armabot> 167 - 107 = 60
04:59 <spidey> lo
04:59 <spidey> l
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05:02 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: did you see the new metalocalypse episode?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> on the fix?
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
05:03 <DrJoeTron> you bet i did
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05:03 <Your_mom_arma> you mean i get to actually destroy american history?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> the frosting is made of mercury... if you eat it, it will kill you.
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> haha, got it
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> lol
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> now there's inca and australia available :)
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> i love that show
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05:04 <DrJoeTron> its getting better and better
05:04 <spidey> luci?
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05:04 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> fishes dont gots no good metal
05:04 <spidey> wanna try a map for me?
05:04 <spidey> i tihnk i got it,kinda
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I was going to add japan for luke
05:05 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: have you tried a mod pack yet?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: would you rather start on a japanese island? There's not much room for city building on that island
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: besides a tile set, no, I haven't tried any mod packs
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: or would you rather start like in Korea instead, but be Japanese
05:05 * Lucifer_arma is putting it in korea until luke-jr_ tells him differently
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> er, not korea, peninsula farther east
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> i got you just what you wanted... dissapointment
05:06 <spidey> r14sx=140
05:06 <spidey> r13sy=28
05:06 <spidey> r14snation="Inca"
05:06 <spidey> try those
05:06 <spidey> should put it just in canada
05:06 <DrJoeTron> hooo god
05:06 <Vanhayes> incas in canada?
05:07 <spidey> -_-
05:07 <DrJoeTron> Black than the blackest black.... times infinite...
05:07 <DrJoeTron> blacker*
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, where does that put it?
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> Oh, you want canadian on there? heh
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I put Inca in south america
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> pickles the drummer
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> I can add canadian and put them in canada
05:10 <DrJoeTron> i love pickles
05:10 <spidey> http://www.css3.info/preview/
05:10 <spidey> ;x
05:10 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:10 <DrJoeTron> the new venture bros
05:10 <DrJoeTron> it was cute
05:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'd rather Japan
05:10 <DrJoeTron> not something id watch over and over
05:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: but I'd rather the map be to scale
05:10 <DrJoeTron> but it was good
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> enh
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> but there's only two spots to put a city in there
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> i though it was lacking
05:10 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: there is a japan map...
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, japan's a bunch of little islands, heh
05:10 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: world map
05:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:11 <luke-jr_> need to make it to scale =p
05:11 <Your_mom_arma> hopefully the next episode picks up the series again
05:11 <luke-jr_> eg, enough room for the RL cities
05:11 <DrJoeTron> the one before that was great
05:11 <DrJoeTron> its been every other one has been gold
05:11 <luke-jr_> does Arma support > 16 players?
05:11 <spidey> yes
05:11 <luke-jr_> is there a minimum version?
05:12 <spidey> ??
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> 2.5 for net compatability
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I think it is to scale already though
05:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: obviously not if Japan doesn't fit cities
05:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: scale of cities and land
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yeah
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> well you can't have that, the game isn't going to let you do that anyway
05:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: so the client needs to be 2.5? how about server?
05:13 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why nto?
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on, I live within shouting distance of 3 "cities"
05:13 <spidey> lmao
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> server can be 3.0 and client 2.5 with compatable settings of course
05:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: 0.2.8 won't work?
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> One of them would match up with like a 5 point city in freeciv, but the area covered in freeciv wouldn't be big enough
05:14 <spidey> if they use the override setting on the ones that block older clients
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> or it would be too big, depending on the size of the map :)
05:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
05:14 <spidey> then it should work
05:14 <luke-jr_> I don't want to block old clients
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'll put you on japan if you really want it, but I'm not about to make japanese islands bigger to compensate for starting there
05:14 <luke-jr_> boo
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, I'd rather not put it on japan. Build a trireme early and send over two settlers and you can have it
05:15 <spidey> luke-jr_ then anytime it says older clients will be blocked because of a setting, use the override for it :p
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> just tweak settings till 2.5 can connect
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> develop it right and you'll have some nice high production cities
05:15 <luke-jr_> but the 0.2.8 server can have > 16 players, and still allow 0.2.5?
05:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i want to be atlantis
05:15 <spidey> :D
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> i think so
05:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: underwater?
05:17 <spidey> :)
05:17 <spidey> llets see a battleship get me then!
05:18 <spidey> http://www.css3.info/preview/rgba.html
05:18 <spidey> css3 is gonna own ;x
05:19 <GodTodd> blergle
05:20 <DrJoeTron> TF2 us wgat un wautubg fir
05:20 <TiTnAsS> luci, your wife asleep?
05:20 <DrJoeTron> is what im waiting for
05:20 <DrJoeTron> fuyking keyboard shift
05:20 <Your_mom_arma> looked like russian
05:21 <DrJoeTron> you know what, i did too
05:21 <DrJoeTron> thats what i though*
05:21 <DrJoeTron> im sorry, im really, really exhausted
05:21 <DrJoeTron> i was up in madison wisconsin
05:21 <DrJoeTron> helping my friend move into his partment
05:21 <spidey> i'ma sign up for netflicks :D
05:21 <DrJoeTron> ...and being the designated driver :/
05:22 <spidey> sucks for you
05:22 <DrJoeTron> meh
05:22 <DrJoeTron> i dont drink anyways
05:22 <DrJoeTron> or do anything
05:22 <DrJoeTron> im kind of a loser
05:22 <spidey> you suck :p
05:22 <DrJoeTron> i have a hard enough time convincing people that im clean anyways
05:23 <spidey> :p
05:23 <DrJoeTron> my constitution is pretty bleak
05:23 <spidey> i don't really drink unless it's a special occasion
05:23 <spidey> like my birthday -_-
05:23 <spidey> bout the only time
05:23 <DrJoeTron> we got everything moved in
05:23 <DrJoeTron> that was the occasion
05:23 <DrJoeTron> so i stayed up all night
05:23 <spidey> there's like 7-8 in the bottum of the fridge that's been there almost a year
05:23 <DrJoeTron> and i had to drive to the gas station and shit
05:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: does CSS3 allow math?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> ii hate my friends car
05:24 <spidey> my uncle bought me a case 3 days ago,only drank 3 -_-
05:24 <DrJoeTron> stupid automatic floor shift
05:24 <spidey> luke-jr_ http://www.css3.info/preview/
05:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: css3.info looks unofficial
05:24 <DrJoeTron> im so used to column shift
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> 2.5 couldnt get the master server to poll scince z-mans master is down
05:25 <DrJoeTron> brb
05:25 <spidey> change the master server in master.srv ?
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> or steal the list from 2.3
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> er
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> 0.3
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> our numbering system can be confusing
05:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: indeed, that site is not css 3 at all
05:27 <luke-jr_> it is Mozilla-specific-hacks
05:29 <luke-jr_> ok, some looks like CSS3
05:29 <luke-jr_> but it also demonstrates non-standard extensions and CSS 2
05:29 <luke-jr_> text-shadow is CSS 2
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05:29 <GodTodd> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-roadmap/
05:30 <spidey> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-roadmap/#math
05:30 <luke-jr_> MathML is for content with math expressions, not math itself
05:31 <luke-jr_> I mean 50% + 2em
05:31 <luke-jr_> or 10% + 2cm + 1 em
05:32 <spidey> ??
05:32 <spidey> wtf you gonna use something like that for
05:32 <luke-jr_> ...
05:32 <luke-jr_> you're obviously a CSS newbie ;)
05:33 <spidey> ...
05:33 <luke-jr_> % + em is a common need
05:33 <spidey> why
05:33 <luke-jr_> positioning
05:33 <spidey> common my ass -_-
05:33 <luke-jr_> position:absolute is most of the time a hacked workaround for this missing
05:33 <luke-jr_> it should not be regularly used
05:33 <TiTnAsS> back
05:33 <TiTnAsS> you guys didnt start yet did you?
05:33 <spidey> luke-jr_, shuuuuuuuuuuut up
05:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: baka
05:34 <spidey> luke-jr_, bakax2
05:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: baka^inf
05:34 <spidey> -_-
05:34 <TiTnAsS> ..
05:34 <luke-jr_> ;)
05:34 <TiTnAsS> did you guys start a game yet?
05:34 <luke-jr_> no
05:34 <luke-jr_> no plans to\
05:34 <spidey> maybe
05:34 <luke-jr_> bbl
05:34 <TiTnAsS> luci said wed start one in a half hour about 40 minutes ago.
05:34 <spidey> when Lucifer_arma finish's the map
05:44 <Vanhayes> using the world map?
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, looks like it might be a little longer
05:51 <spidey> -_-
05:51 <TiTnAsS> back
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> if you guys want to start up a game right now, then don't wait for me, but if you want to wait for me, you can
05:52 <TiTnAsS> nah
05:52 <TiTnAsS> ill wait ^^
05:52 <TiTnAsS> doesnt seem like anyone else really cares..
05:52 <spidey> no we won't,we don't like luci~
05:52 <spidey> !
05:52 <spidey> :p
05:52 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:52 <TiTnAsS> any idea when luci?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't screw my wife tonight, I'm in big trouble
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> so it probably wont' take long
05:53 <spidey> lmao
05:53 <TiTnAsS> o.o
05:53 <arctanx> only on irc...
05:53 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:57 <DrJoeTron> this nacho cheese is utter crap
06:00 <spidey> #last --from DrJoeTron --with loser
06:00 <armabot> spidey: [05:23:24] <DrJoeTron> im kind of a loser
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06:05 <DrJoeTron> and ho
06:05 <DrJoeTron> w
06:05 <DrJoeTron> :/
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06:08 <Your_mom_arm1> arm1 not to be confused with arm2
06:08 <TiTnAsS> ?
06:09 <TiTnAsS> weird
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 503
06:09 <TiTnAsS> up at the top of the forum page
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: fsockopen(): unable to connect to electricpotential.net:80 in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 259
06:09 <DrJoeTron> why is it so hard for invader to get his ds online!
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 497
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 503
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 504
06:09 <Your_mom_arm1> dont spam it
06:09 <Your_mom_arm1> just refresh the page
06:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah, jerkface malloy
06:10 <TiTnAsS> whats it mean
06:10 <TiTnAsS> o.o
06:10 <TiTnAsS> lol
06:10 <DrJoeTron> it means you're an imposter!
06:11 <TiTnAsS> ..
06:11 <DrJoeTron> why must you turn this channel into a house of lies!?
06:11 <TiTnAsS> your an imposter - -;
06:11 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
06:11 <TiTnAsS> i just talked to zig
06:11 <TiTnAsS> on msn
06:11 <TiTnAsS> ^^
06:11 <DrJoeTron> man
06:11 <DrJoeTron> my whole trip
06:11 <DrJoeTron> consisted of people quoting the simpsons, and singing really horrible 90's early 90's songs
06:12 <DrJoeTron> 80's*
06:12 <spidey> good!
06:12 <DrJoeTron> i wanted to go insane
06:12 <Your_mom_arm1> quoting the simpsons has its place but never nonstop on a roadtrip
06:12 <DrJoeTron> they were good quotes at least
06:13 <DrJoeTron> like as obscure as simpsons goes
06:13 <DrJoeTron> it was welcomed by me.
06:13 <DrJoeTron> but man
06:13 <DrJoeTron> if i hear whip it, or "how bizzare" ever again
06:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck those songs
06:14 <Your_mom_arm1> quick someone find a lego version of those songs in flash for joe
06:14 <DrJoeTron> i'll ruin you!
06:15 * spidey goes to find them
06:15 <Your_mom_arm1> i've never seen them but if it was pop culture someone made it in lego form
06:15 <DrJoeTron> You mean actually get to destrou American History?
06:15 <Your_mom_arm1> and someone stole it and made it into flash
06:15 <DrJoeTron> jesus i just watched it again
06:17 <Your_mom_arm1> couldnt you wait till it premiered tomorrow?
06:18 <DrJoeTron> who says i wont watch it again :d
06:19 <Your_mom_arm1> cya guys
06:19 <DrJoeTron> ta
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06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: we need a way to specify for cockpit maps, the viewed area
06:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know
06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit
06:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma wanted to do it, but i haven't heard from him since
06:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: the problem with scaling is that the map just can't display part walls as of right now
06:21 <wrtlprnft> there would need to be some math. Not that complicated maybe but it would have to be done for all lines it draws, which might make it slower
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> there's a gl command I was looking at, glOrtho or something like that that looked like it would do it for us
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> any, a smoke, and then if there's afreeciv game to be had, I'll take it
06:31 <spidey> ;x
06:41 <spidey> holy shit
06:41 <spidey> i slept through friday!?!
06:41 <spidey> #time
06:41 <armabot> spidey: 06:42 AM, August 19, 2006
06:41 <spidey> o.o
06:42 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:42 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 3540 messages.
06:42 <spidey> O.o
06:48 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with night
06:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:43:24] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:48 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with night --nolimit
06:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:43:24] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:48 <Vanhayes> bah
06:49 <spidey> #realchatlogs
06:49 <armabot> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
06:50 <wrtlprnft> they stopped updating again
06:50 <wrtlprnft> i need to fix my network :(
06:50 <wrtlprnft> updated.
06:50 <spidey> 11:23 <spidey> #night
06:50 <spidey> that's when i went to sleep
06:50 <spidey> what time is that my time? O.o
06:50 <spidey> wait
06:51 <spidey> no
06:51 <wrtlprnft> 7 hours earlier
06:51 <wrtlprnft> the times on these logs are kinda messy anyways
06:52 <spidey> 13:49 * spidey drops kicks luke-jr_then goes back to sleep
06:53 <spidey> there's when i went to sleep
06:53 <spidey> the 18th
06:53 <wrtlprnft> part is CST, part CDT, part GMT-2
06:53 <spidey> O.o
06:53 <spidey> hmm
06:53 <wrtlprnft> well, this computer moved a lot :P
06:56 <spidey> [07:50] * spidey drops kicks luke-jr_then goes back to sleep
06:56 <spidey> hmm
06:56 <spidey> not sure what my times are
06:57 <wrtlprnft> 6 hours?!
06:57 <wrtlprnft> that's weird
06:57 <spidey> huh?
06:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 13 -7
06:57 <armabot> 13 - 7 = 6
06:57 <spidey> i went to sleep during morning times,i know that much
06:58 <Vanhayes> morning as in 3-5 am?
06:58 <spidey> sad when you don't know when the fuck you went to sleep :))
06:58 <spidey> no i have to feed my dogs before i goto sleep
06:58 <spidey> at 6am
06:58 <Vanhayes> man I went to sleep at 5 am last night, not doing that again
06:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma??
06:59 <Vanhayes> freeciv games take too long, you need 6+ hours to finish one
06:59 <spidey> Vanhayes not if someone would set a timeout
06:59 <spidey> 6-7 minutes a turn is rediculus
07:00 <Vanhayes> spidey you were usually the last to turn
07:00 <spidey> because i forget to press turn done :p
07:00 <spidey> but besides that they're still usually people taking long
07:00 <Vanhayes> lol, you should really try that option
07:01 <spidey> what option?
07:01 <wrtlprnft> turn time limits suck :(
07:01 <Vanhayes> where it hits turn done for you automatically when no more of your troops can move
07:02 <GodTodd> that only works sometimes
07:02 <GodTodd> i tried it
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> she is so persistent sometimes, heh
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm ready to go, is there a game ready to setup?
07:02 <spidey> good now we need Lucifer_arma and luke-jr_ to start
07:02 <spidey> well now just luke-jr_
07:02 <Vanhayes> works anytime you actually have troops that can move
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> we playing world on my server again?
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07:02 <Vanhayes> if not it wont hit turn done
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...but i don't a lot of times
07:03 <GodTodd> so it's pretty useless for me ;)
07:03 <Vanhayes> ya same here, and I usually forget to hit it
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I find a 5 minute timeout works for the most part, I can lie with it, but there are turns where I'd prefer longer still
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> like, if my ally betrays me and invades me, we could spend 10 minutes working out that turn
07:03 <GodTodd> haha
07:03 <Vanhayes> any chance of using a different map this time?
07:03 <Vanhayes> heh
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so the map has Inca and Australia now, and Japan
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> I want Zulu, Inca, or Australia
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> what do you guys want?
07:04 <spidey> luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, it has Canadian too
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> but Canada is really close to America, which in turn is really close to Aztec
07:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i want one with islands and stuff atleast
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> we could let the server generate a map...
07:04 <spidey> like the world map
07:04 <spidey> :D
07:04 <spidey> nooooooo
07:05 <spidey> i hate the way it does
07:05 <spidey> it always gives me a small island
07:05 <TiTnAsS> back
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing. If we all agree on who we'll be now, we should be able to isolate ourselves better
07:05 <spidey> and i mean small
07:05 <TiTnAsS> did you guys start yet?
07:05 <GodTodd> yep...halfway through now
07:05 <spidey> canada!
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'm willing to remove some of the land if you want, like the sinai peninsula
07:05 <GodTodd> heh
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Japan is in a really good spot, and if someone picks Rome they'll be far enough away to make an invasion difficult
07:05 <GodTodd> remove canada?
07:05 <GodTodd> ;)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you need sea to invade Japan from Europe where Japan starts out
07:06 <TiTnAsS> damn, i had to play tournament finals for lux.. they needed a sub..
07:06 <TiTnAsS> i missed T_T
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Tit: pick a civilization. Here are the choices:
07:06 <spidey> i'm tired of playing in europe :p
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so everybody be quiet while I list them :)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Mongol
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> China
07:06 <spidey> i'll take canada :D
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Japan
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Australia
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Canada
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Rome
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> England
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu (Africa)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Aztec
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Inca
07:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> India, I think
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> America
07:07 <TiTnAsS> ill take africa ^^
07:07 <TiTnAsS> so you guys already started?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu is in a very good spot, actually
07:07 <Vanhayes> no
07:07 <Vanhayes> no to TiTnAsS
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're talking right now, I'll start it when everybody tells me what they want and everyone's here that's playing
07:07 * Vanhayes will sit this one out
07:07 <GodTodd> no russia?
07:07 <TiTnAsS> well, i picked africa because.. its far from everyone else ^^
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Russia is there too
07:07 <TiTnAsS> from most everyone else
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> Russia is very close to Mongol, which in turn is very close to China
07:07 <TiTnAsS> o.o
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> there's probably a good distance from China to Japan, but they're still close
07:08 <Vanhayes> russia isnt that far from romw either
07:08 <Vanhayes> unless you changed it
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not. Russia's a good choice if nobody picks Rome or Mongol
07:08 <spidey> hmm
07:08 <spidey> luke-jr_!?!?!?
07:08 <spidey> he'll pick japan
07:08 <spidey> lol
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> Mongol is a better choice than Russia though, because the himalayas are very nice and you can put like 6 high production cities around them
07:09 <spidey> wait
07:09 <GodTodd> i was debating...either mongol or america
07:09 <spidey> i'll take aussie
07:09 <spidey> because it's a island :D
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, spidey's Aussie and Tit is Zulu
07:09 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take Inca and Todd can take America :)
07:09 <TiTnAsS> call me nick -.-
07:09 <GodTodd> that works
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> who's left? vanhayes says he'll sit this one out
07:10 <TiTnAsS> the only reason i still use this name, is cuz its been my handle since i was like 14..
07:10 <Vanhayes> ya im getting tired of the world map
07:10 <GodTodd> zulus have a lot of tit....at least in national geographic ;)
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> those weren't zulus, the zulus were actually pretty modest :)
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07:10 <GodTodd> i know...but it made the joke better :P
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu is an interesting civilization, you should read up on them sometime. Wikipedia has lots of good info on them.
07:10 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia zulu
07:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.34 seconds: Zulu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu>; Zulu language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_language>; Anglo- Zulu War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War>; Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka>; Coordinated Universal (2 more messages)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> They're interesting, and they were strong at one point, but they've always been somebody's vassals, heh.
07:11 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:11 <spidey> luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
07:11 <TiTnAsS> brb one sec, ive gotta get a substitute for round 3 finals
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> he said earlier he didn't want to play
07:11 <spidey> k
07:12 <TiTnAsS> alright
07:12 <GodTodd> oh....off topic a bit...dave....if a guitar has a habit of going out of tune is that more likely a guitar problem or a string problem? or hard to tell?
07:12 <TiTnAsS> who else is playing?
07:12 <TiTnAsS> godtodd, how long ahve you have the strings?
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: depends on three things :)
07:13 <GodTodd> not long but they're cheapo ones
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> the age of the strings (and whether or not you stretched them when you put them on)
07:13 <TiTnAsS> doesnt matter if they are cheap, strings tend to stretch constantly
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> the strength of the neck
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> spring tension on the tremolo
07:13 <TiTnAsS> and the longer youve had the same set of strings, the less they will stretch
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, strings stretch over their lifetime so you have to reset them anyway
07:13 <GodTodd> i've had them a couple of months
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> on the flip side, the longer you keep the same set of strings, the more sustain and body you lose
07:14 <TiTnAsS> luci, does a locking tremelo stop stretching altogether, or only when using tremelo?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> I change mine every 2 weeks when I'm playing often, otherwise I change them every time I play :)
07:14 <TiTnAsS> ive been thinking about buying a guitar with locking tremelo
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> TiTnAsS: don't know
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> my bass strings I haven't changed since it was new, but bass strings are different
07:14 <spidey> lmao
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going to pee then start the server
07:14 <TiTnAsS> lol, bass strings
07:14 <TiTnAsS> are 40$ for a set
07:15 <spidey> a resident in kentucky has a lion as a pet
07:15 <spidey> named kitty
07:15 <GodTodd> i'll brb too
07:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, host?
07:15 <spidey> oh
07:15 <spidey> i'ma make a pizza ;x
07:15 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:15 <TiTnAsS> dont be away to long
07:16 <spidey> 10 minutes
07:16 <spidey> brb
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> he always makes a pizza before we start :)
07:16 <TiTnAsS> i guess that gives me some time to make some food to
07:16 <TiTnAsS> brb
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
07:16 <TiTnAsS> peanut butter and jelly for me
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> port: 5555
07:16 <TiTnAsS> :D
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> the rest of us will connect and start planning world domination
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's up, connect when ready
07:17 <spidey> we can only play this game for 2 more nights
07:17 <spidey> i only got 2 pizza's left
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
07:19 <TiTnAsS> back
07:20 <TiTnAsS> luci, what is civ4?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> connect!
07:20 <TiTnAsS> zig says he plays that, and asked me if freeciv was like it..
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> LAST CALL FOR FREECIV PLAYERS
07:21 * wrtlprnft is too tired to play
07:23 <TiTnAsS> aww
07:23 <TiTnAsS> cmon wrtl ^^
07:30 <Vanhayes> civ 4 is the newest Civilisation game
07:30 <Vanhayes> freeciv is based off of the original civilization
07:57 <luke-jr_> Freeciv has civ2 features too
07:58 <luke-jr_> IIRC, the reason the newer normal civ games are not the same is cuz they suck for gameplay
08:02 <luke-jr_> #last --from luke-jr_ --with tonight
08:02 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 3912 messages.
08:03 <GodTodd> #last --from luke-jr_ --with want
08:03 <armabot> GodTodd: [05:15:36] <luke-jr_> I don't want to block old clients
08:03 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <luke-jr_> O.o
08:09 <TiTnAsS> luke, one mistake isnt the end of the world, its just, if you get minamised you lose cruicial units sometimes, and if your playing in a league and you lose the game, it could know you outa the finalist slots
08:09 <TiTnAsS> its only like this in the league games, you can play without leaguing..
08:30 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: freeciv came out before civ2 did, so if it has civ2 featyres it either had them first or added them in later versions
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09:56 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: ?
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyone want to take over a freeciv game for titnass?
09:56 <spidey> luke-jr_????
09:56 <spidey> luke-jr_?????
09:59 <TiTnAsS> i already asked
09:59 <TiTnAsS> here
09:59 <TiTnAsS> lukes apparently not looking at irc
10:07 <DrJoeTron> spidey
10:07 <DrJoeTron> downlaod hl2
10:11 <DrJoeTron> my head set should be comming in tommarow :D
10:19 <DrJoeTron> hey, who here is from europe
10:19 <guru3> i live in europe if that's what you mean
10:19 <DrJoeTron> i have a few questions in terms of culter
10:19 <DrJoeTron> nah, i mean from
10:19 <DrJoeTron> you're excluded tank
10:19 <guru3> mmk then
10:20 <DrJoeTron> this question is different
10:22 <guru3> isn't it amazing how 4gb of log files
10:22 <guru3> can compress to 120mb
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> well, it's all text ;)
10:23 <guru3> still amazes me
10:23 <guru3> my /var/log/messages was 12GB
10:23 <guru3> compressed to like 46MB ><
10:37 <guru3> du ran on /mnt ...
10:37 <guru3> 1.2T mnt
10:37 <guru3> ><
10:37 <guru3> first time i've seen a T with du
10:38 <luke-jr_> apparently people don't know what IM is
10:38 <luke-jr_> since they all try to get me here instead of IM
10:38 <luke-jr_> when I specifically said IM, not IRC
10:39 <guru3> lol
10:40 <luke-jr_> -.-
10:40 <luke-jr_> I called the cops at 1:50
10:40 <luke-jr_> they said they'd be stopping by here
10:40 <luke-jr_> it's 3:41
10:40 <guru3> why?
10:40 <guru3> lol
10:40 <luke-jr_> cuzz someeone broke into the neighbor''s
10:40 * luke-jr_ smacks computer
10:40 <guru3> ah :/
10:40 <spidey> luke-jr_ get your ass in here
10:40 <luke-jr_> why is it so hard to keep keyboard input straight?
10:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: 1 min
10:42 <luke-jr_> anyway
10:42 <luke-jr_> I saw them go into the neighbor's place
10:42 <luke-jr_> hours ago
10:42 <luke-jr_> I think maybe I'll call and complain
10:42 <luke-jr_> or maybe just go to bed
10:42 <guru3> ><
10:44 <luke-jr_> I don't want to look up the non-911 # to complain tho
10:45 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: Johnny B Goode
10:45 <DrJoeTron> yup
10:46 <DrJoeTron> haha checking me out on google talk?
10:47 <luke-jr_> no
10:47 <luke-jr_> I got a notification when your status changes
10:48 <DrJoeTron> google talk update
10:48 <DrJoeTron> its fallowing me music
10:48 <DrJoeTron> my*
11:08 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: are your neighbors home?
11:10 <luke-jr_> GodTodd:
11:10 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: no clue
11:11 <Vanhayes> why didnt you call them when you saw someone going in?
11:11 <luke-jr_> they broke the chain lock on the door
11:11 <luke-jr_> eh? I called when they went in
11:11 <Vanhayes> no one answered?
11:11 <luke-jr_> wtf?
11:11 <luke-jr_> oh
11:11 <luke-jr_> I don't have his #
11:11 <luke-jr_> I called 911
11:12 <luke-jr_> don't remember his name either
11:12 <Vanhayes> ah, that sucks for him
11:12 <guru3> i'm gonna try to write a parser for the <=0.2.7.1 logfile
11:12 <Vanhayes> could be a murderer too
11:12 <DrJoeTron> what about address
11:12 <DrJoeTron> could be a ninja
11:12 <Vanhayes> could be a nija murderer
11:13 <Vanhayes> ninja*
11:13 <Vanhayes> actually would a ninja murderer only murder ninjas?
11:13 <Vanhayes> maybe a murdering ninja then
11:13 <DrJoeTron> or a pirate ninja
11:13 <guru3> on second thought
11:14 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
11:14 <guru3> maybe opening a 800mb text file was a bad idea
11:14 <Vanhayes> take a while to load?
11:14 <guru3> yeah
11:14 <guru3> even with nedit
11:14 <DrJoeTron> http://www.ninjalovespirate.com/
11:14 <guru3> which is the best editor i've found for large files
11:16 <DrJoeTron> good night
11:16 <wrtlprnft> why would you need the whole file for writing a parser?
11:16 <guru3> don't know
11:16 <wrtlprnft> just use tail -n or head -n to get a few hundred lines
11:16 <guru3> just felt like it
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's a map related bug for you to fix :P
11:17 <wrtlprnft> hi btw
11:17 <philippeqc> hi
11:17 <wrtlprnft> poor guy
11:17 <philippeqc> who ?
11:17 <wrtlprnft> you
11:17 <philippeqc> why?
11:17 <wrtlprnft> you come in after weeks
11:17 <wrtlprnft> and i cry BUG!
11:18 <philippeqc> o ok
11:18 <philippeqc> still not that awake here
11:18 <guru3> i see my swap usage rising ><
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11:25 <guru3> shit according to this
11:25 <TiTnAsS> luci
11:25 <TiTnAsS> you guys still playing???
11:25 <GodTodd> yep
11:26 <guru3> there have been 693,822 rounds played on classic play
11:26 <TiTnAsS> how cmoe i cant connect?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> www.davefancella.com?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> 555?
11:26 <luke-jr_> 'less' works nice with big files
11:26 <TiTnAsS> 5555
11:26 <GodTodd> 5555
11:26 <guru3> the logfile is 24,376,581 lines
11:26 <luke-jr_> so?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> i hit okay and nothing happens
11:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: didn't you already tell him that and it didn't work?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> i think my nets bugging out..
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> you did something wrong probably
11:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no
11:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you get my msg earlier
11:26 <TiTnAsS> is ai still in control of me?
11:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: you did
11:26 <guru3> that was something else probably
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, luke's got you now
11:27 <TiTnAsS> oh, i guess im not getting back in anyway then ^^
11:27 <TiTnAsS> luke, sorry bout that bad start
11:27 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: which one?
11:27 <GodTodd> you could have my civ if you want ;)
11:27 <TiTnAsS> lol, no its okay
11:27 <wrtlprnft> 06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit
11:27 <wrtlprnft> that's the last one i have from you
11:27 <wrtlprnft> and i answered directly below...
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #last --from luke-jr_ --with wrtlprnft --nolimit
11:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:27:47] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you get my msg earlier, [11:27:41] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no, [06:20:28] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit, and [06:20:12] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: we need a way to specify for cockpit maps, the viewed area
11:28 <wrtlprnft> armabot thinks the same
11:28 <TiTnAsS> im relogging
11:28 <TiTnAsS> brb
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11:35 <guru3> hahaha this is rediculous
11:35 <guru3> according to this
11:35 <guru3> classic play
11:35 <guru3> has had slightly more than 2 years of played game time
11:36 <wrtlprnft> out of?
11:36 <guru3> earliest date in log file is march 28th 2004 18:42:44
11:37 <wrtlprnft> err
11:37 <guru3> so that's 2 years out of 2 years 5 months
11:37 <wrtlprnft> so it was empty for like 5 months?
11:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:37 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / 2 years 5 months in %
11:38 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / (2 years + 5 months) in %
11:38 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / (2 years + 5 months) * 100
11:38 <armabot> ((2 years) / ((2 years) + (5 months))) * 100 = 82.7586207
11:38 <guru3> 356GB sent
11:38 <wrtlprnft> it was used 82.76% of the time
11:38 <guru3> 130GB received
11:39 <wrtlprnft> nice traffic
11:39 <guru3> average 6KB/s
11:39 <guru3> sent
11:39 <guru3> average 2KB/s received
11:40 <guru3> i think we can put that down as the official bandwith usage ><
11:40 <wrtlprnft> well, your server obviously was popular
11:40 <guru3> people still play on it too damn them
11:40 <wrtlprnft> the average clan server gets less
11:40 <guru3> i can't shut it off
11:43 <guru3> that's an average of 90seconds per round
11:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: except for size_factor for some maps, do you see real use of settings in maps?
12:02 <guru3> gargh i hate regexp
12:03 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: SIZE_FACTOR is the *last* setting that should be in maps
12:04 <luke-jr_> its entire purpose is to scale the map
12:04 <guru3> how do i match any character with regexp
12:05 <philippeqc> guru3: .
12:05 <GodTodd> #night
12:05 <guru3> so [.]
12:05 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
12:05 <guru3> will match any character
12:05 <philippeqc> yes
12:05 <guru3> what will ([.]{1,16}) do
12:05 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: yes I know that, but that wasnt my question
12:06 <philippeqc> guru3: will give you lots of problems, as it will accept any grouping of character, including white spaces, punctuation and all
12:06 <guru3> well it doesn't match :(
12:08 <guru3> got it working
12:08 <guru3> ><
12:08 <guru3> damn regexp takes getting used to
12:08 <philippeqc> . is ANY single character. so you want any grouping from 1 to 16 of anything. " ,.% " would match
12:09 <guru3> (.*)
12:09 <guru3> worked
12:09 <philippeqc> yep
12:09 <philippeqc> but that is "the whole goddarn string"
12:09 <guru3> well not if it's a subgroup
12:09 <guru3> so
12:09 <guru3> (.*) core dumped (.*)
12:09 <philippeqc> yes
12:09 <guru3> will give me the names in the two groups >:D
12:10 <philippeqc> yes
12:10 <guru3> finally starting to get this shit
12:10 <philippeqc> it is very usefull ;)
12:10 <guru3> yes
12:10 <guru3> but it's so confusing at first ><
12:11 <philippeqc> so is fornicating, but once you get used to it, its really good.
12:12 <guru3> ><
12:21 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: erm
12:21 <luke-jr_> [.] is ONLY a literal .
12:22 <luke-jr_> but \. is a shorter literal .
12:22 <guru3> yeah
12:22 <guru3> that was tricky to figure out
12:24 <guru3> hmm
12:24 <guru3> time to try and make a regexp for the timestamp ><
12:26 <guru3> how to convert year/month/day to unix timestamp...
12:27 <guru3> mktime ><
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13:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's use for some settings
13:15 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM, for example
13:15 <wrtlprnft> some maps only make sense when played with a high value for that
13:16 <wrtlprnft> and all those team settings. A two- team fortress map or sumo is only useful with certain settings
13:22 <philippeqc> ok, but should be saved in the map or in a companion file?
13:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ^^
13:25 <wrtlprnft> well, really necessary settings should be in the map
13:26 <wrtlprnft> but the author should be able to override them
13:26 <philippeqc> you mean server admin?
13:26 <wrtlprnft> for example, on maps that need a high CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM, the admin could still change the value
13:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sorry
13:27 <guru3> running a test on 1million lines
13:27 <philippeqc> if we parse the settings first, then the config, wouldnt that always override the map's settings?
13:27 <guru3> now if i only had a clever database format ><
13:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's the problem
13:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe just parse the settings the first time MAP_FILE is changed?
13:28 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/crazy/CrazyLines-0.1.aamap.xml
13:28 <philippeqc> rough idea: what if settings were in a companion file and that the admin was able to set additional settings in his onw companion file, and that one would always be read after
13:28 <wrtlprnft> SIZE_FACTOR 9
13:28 <wrtlprnft> that
13:28 <wrtlprnft> 's complicated :S
13:29 <wrtlprnft> for the server admin, that is
13:29 <philippeqc> because she need a file for every map she install
13:29 <wrtlprnft> I'd like to have a way we could put this into 0.2.8.3
13:30 <wrtlprnft> and a way to continue using existing maps but override their settings
13:30 <wrtlprnft> and have the SIZE_FACTOR thing fixed
13:31 <philippeqc> from the wiki "The different Setting used have the potential of overwriding client or server ones. While this behavior offers great capacity to custom behavior for a specific map, users playing locally on their machine and server administrator might find it a disruption of their craftfully designed settings. Use with care and moderation."
13:31 <philippeqc> mostly the last sentence ;)
13:32 <wrtlprnft> well, doesn't change the fact that it's already being abused
13:32 <philippeqc> that being said, lets find a hack for it
13:32 * wrtlprnft already offered one
13:32 <wrtlprnft> + a fix for SIZE_FACTOR that I can't do
13:33 <philippeqc> I'm rereading it
13:33 <wrtlprnft> 2nd last paragraph of the 2nd post in that thread
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13:34 <philippeqc> then the server admin need to have different map_override_settings for each map
13:36 <wrtlprnft> I'm assuming he/she wouldn't wanna make a rotation server with that map
13:36 <wrtlprnft> just have a specific map and override some settings
13:37 <philippeqc> ed wouldnt like that solution
13:37 <philippeqc> ;)
13:37 <wrtlprnft> well, ed uses his own maps anyways
13:38 <wrtlprnft> i'm talking about someone wanting to use one of his maps
13:38 <wrtlprnft> ed would like a fix for SIZE_FACTOR, of course ;)
13:40 <philippeqc> lets take the problem side way. What should a good config system permit?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> everything that makes sense
13:40 <wrtlprnft> or, failing that, everything, but allow the server admin to override it
13:41 <philippeqc> I'd guess it should allow for settings from the map designer, and allow the admin to override it. But that means extra work for the admin in a way
13:41 <philippeqc> the prob with "everything that makes sense" is that some things makes sense sometimes, but not always ;)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean with "failing that, ..."
13:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe just allow the map to change settings that are still at their default values?
13:42 <wrtlprnft> of course, make that configurable
13:43 <philippeqc> ok, there are 2 ways of doing that. Either you tell the parser to ignore some items from the map, or you apply new settings after the map is being processed.
13:43 <wrtlprnft> make the admin select if he/she wants the map to override all settings, only settings at the default value, or no settings at all
13:44 <philippeqc> dont like the idea of "only set at def value". I can see a map that the admin would like to override his default, but not some other maps
13:44 <wrtlprnft> OTOH, you could abuse the current behavior for a simple map rotator
13:44 <wrtlprnft> just have each map contain a <Setting name="MAP_FILE" value="thenextmap" />
13:44 <philippeqc> how
13:45 <philippeqc> lol
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13:45 <philippeqc> how come I didnt see taht one ;)
13:45 <wrtlprnft> you could declare it a feature :P
13:46 <philippeqc> I meant it as "thats the kind of stuff that my brain normally likes, and yet I didnt spot it"
13:46 <philippeqc> ie: its my kind of feature! Power enabling ones
13:46 <wrtlprnft> maybe call it an easteregg instead
13:46 <wrtlprnft> so you can say why you didn't document it
13:47 <TiTnAsS> hi phil
13:47 <TiTnAsS> and good night ;)
13:47 <philippeqc> no, easteregg are planned, power feature is like vi. Build simple but open so you can do things that wherent conceived while it was created.
13:47 <TiTnAsS> 5 am -.-
13:47 <philippeqc> hi TiTnAsS
13:47 <philippeqc> 5 am: good morning TiTnAsS
13:47 <TiTnAsS> lol
13:47 <TiTnAsS> ye
13:48 <TiTnAsS> but i should sleep now.. what time is it for you?
13:48 <philippeqc> 14
13:48 <wrtlprnft> here too
13:48 <wrtlprnft> vim does have eastereggs
13:48 <wrtlprnft> try :h 42
13:49 <wrtlprnft> or :h holy-grail
13:49 <philippeqc> but you know what I mean. Each command of vi is not artificially limited, so you can use it and abuse it to do what you want.
13:50 <wrtlprnft> true
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if you want artificial limitations use evim x_X
13:50 <philippeqc> when I opened the settings to the map, I did it while knowing it would be most likely very easy to abuse
13:51 <philippeqc> lol
13:51 <wrtlprnft> remember my server that renamed everyone to player 1?
13:51 <philippeqc> yes
13:52 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can just talk ed into stopping to abuse the settings tag
13:52 <wrtlprnft> he's using mysql anyways, so there wouldn't be a problem putting the settings in there too
13:53 <philippeqc> well the size one create a real bug. so that one should have a fix of sort... maybe
13:53 <wrtlprnft> it took me a while to figure it out
13:54 <wrtlprnft> because it worked on my server just fine, of course, but not on ed's
13:55 <guru3> would you be worried when php is taking up 45% of memory?
13:55 <arctanx> not if I had 32mb of ram
13:55 <wrtlprnft> no
13:56 <wrtlprnft> that's normal
13:56 <philippeqc> brb
13:58 <guru3> DrJoeTron: ROCK LOBSTER! :D
13:58 <guru3> first time i've ever come across a lobster in a song that i can remember
14:08 <wrtlprnft> be back in a bit.
14:10 <philippeqc> back
14:11 <arctanx> zmg runtime error, wrtlprnft's brb is not properly nested within philippeqc's!
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <philippeqc> zmg?
14:14 <TiTnAsS> yes
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> im to busy to sleep -.-
14:14 <philippeqc> wtf is zmg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg*
14:14 <TiTnAsS> its like wtf
14:14 <TiTnAsS> but
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> o.o, understand? ^^
14:15 <philippeqc> no, but I feel it is not required of me
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> omg is something for religious people :P
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it means "oh my god"
14:15 <philippeqc> o my goddess?
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that works too
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if your gf is your goddess :P
14:16 <philippeqc> o my grand-father
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:16 <philippeqc> o my gf (is there, quick, hide in the closet)
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
14:17 <philippeqc> in such a circumstance, I'd probably start to pray! I think I get the religious aspect of it now.
14:17 <philippeqc> ;)
14:25 <TiTnAsS> sleeeeeep time
14:26 <TiTnAsS> ummm, people dont really use it like that lol..
14:26 <TiTnAsS> they use it more as "WTF ..."
14:26 <TiTnAsS> "omg..." as in "wow... wtf .. your stupid"
14:26 <TiTnAsS> kinda thing
14:26 <TiTnAsS> lol
14:27 <TiTnAsS> ^^ i should be expert on omg/wtf
14:27 <TiTnAsS> (its 5:30, ignore me, im going to sleep now)
14:27 <philippeqc> cya
14:27 <TiTnAsS> lol
14:27 <TiTnAsS> bye
14:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night TiTnAsS
14:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sleep well
14:28 <TiTnAsS> yup, you to
14:28 <TiTnAsS> even if it is 3 in the afternoon ^^
14:32 <arctanx> zmg = contraction of zomg = acronym for zoh my god, which is an ornamented usually blasphemous expression of surprise? :P
14:33 <TiTnAsS> EXACTLY!
14:33 <TiTnAsS> wow.. good definitio
14:33 <TiTnAsS> n
14:33 <TiTnAsS> www.wikipedia.com gogo
14:33 <arctanx> the emphasis was supposed to be on the lame nesting joke actually
14:33 <arctanx> but whatever floats your boat
14:33 <TiTnAsS> :)
14:34 <TiTnAsS> btw
14:34 <TiTnAsS> what does zoh mean
14:34 <TiTnAsS> -.-
14:34 <arctanx> it is an ornamented exclamation of surprise or reaction on its own :P
14:38 <TiTnAsS> o.O
14:38 <TiTnAsS> ic..
14:38 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
14:38 <armabot> spidey: [07:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
14:38 <TiTnAsS> spidey
14:38 <spidey> ?
14:38 <TiTnAsS> your still awake? o.o
14:39 <TiTnAsS> isnt it like 7am now for you?..
14:41 <wrtlprnft> back
14:42 * wrtlprnft segfaults
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14:43 <wrtlprnft> it's all philippeqc's fault!
14:43 <philippeqc> no, its always the new guy's fault
14:43 <TiTnAsS> im the new guy again ^^
14:43 <TiTnAsS> gone to long
14:44 <TiTnAsS> i suck at tron now..
14:44 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6091 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added some documentation
14:44 <philippeqc> TiTnAsS: not being in front of the computer normally helps to fall asleep
14:46 <wrtlprnft> well, he slept for ten seconds then woke up again as it was morning ;)
14:48 <TiTnAsS> ye
14:48 <TiTnAsS> im finishing up
14:48 <TiTnAsS> doing some stuff
14:48 <TiTnAsS> thx for tip though ^^
15:00 <TiTnAsS> finally to bed now
15:00 <TiTnAsS> zz
15:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: its 15:00 and I still havent started emacs. I think my brain is telling me it is too tired to do some aa this weekend, and to shutdown the computer.
15:06 <philippeqc> you have 2 week ends to come up with a brillant idea (next one I have either a big party, or I have to work night from saturday to sunday, so either way I shoudnt code anything that week end either)
15:06 <philippeqc> cya
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15:53 <wrtlprnft> aaah, i love xevi's new cockpit file :)
16:28 <Vanhayes> ?
16:28 <Vanhayes> whats it look like?
16:31 <Vanhayes> nvrm just tried it out....
16:31 <Vanhayes> flashy
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16:52 <spidey> deja_vu
16:53 <deja_vu> spidey
16:54 <spidey> mwah
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17:04 <deja_vu> remwha?
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18:11 <spidey> deja_vu
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> you have to donate to use VLC on a mac?!
18:35 <deja_vu> spideyspidey
18:36 <nemostultae> no, you don't wrtlprnft.
19:42 <spidey> deja_vudeja_vu
19:43 <deja_vu> *.*
19:53 * wrtlprnft suggests deja_vu to use /ignore spidey
19:59 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell me how to get mplayer to output its stuff in english? This darn thing ignores LC_ALL=C and everything
19:59 * wrtlprnft rants about german translations of command line tools
20:00 * wrtlprnft is thinking about banning all kinds of german translations of any programs from his computer. Most translations suck anyways, and in cases like this it's really annoying
20:10 <Vanhayes_> #google MSKsrvr.exe
20:10 <armabot> Vanhayes_: Search took 0.33 seconds: msksrvr - msksrvr.exe - Process Information: <http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/msksrvr/>; MSKSrvr.exe Windows process - What is it?: <http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/msksrvr.exe.html>; McAfeehelp.com :: View topic - MSKSrvr.exe using 100% of CPU.: <http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=230783>; McAfeehelp.com :: View topic - (2 more messages)
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20:12 <cusco> someone's goto something nasty running on his pc
20:14 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:14 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=84561#84561 <-- abuse of [color] BBCodes
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20:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi?cpw=1&phrase=armagetron
20:38 <wrtlprnft> a german rot?!
20:38 <wrtlprnft> what's that?
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no idea
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> man it just makes words out of the letters ><
20:41 <wrtlprnft> woo i got linuxkey-tab to work again :)
20:41 <wrtlprnft> ie switch desktop like alt-tab switches windows
20:42 <wrtlprnft> before it refused to display the virtual desktops list and just switched to the last used one, which made it pretty useless. Infact I ended up using only 2 of the 8 desktops i have :s
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20:49 <ghableska_> hello
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20:53 <wrtlprnft> err, hellp
20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hellp
20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hello
20:53 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:53 <wrtlprnft> he left?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> bah
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20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> err, hellp
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hellp
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hello
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> he left?
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> bah
20:56 <ghableska> O_o
20:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:56 <ghableska> grr, my font color won't stay black
20:56 <ghableska> [test]
20:56 <ghableska> wtf
20:56 <ghableska> ...
20:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah, mine sometimes gets all colorful sometimes too...
20:57 <ghableska> [test]
20:57 <ghableska> ah
20:57 <wrtlprnft> that's white for me now :P
20:57 <ghableska> :P
20:57 * ghableska wonders why there is an option for font colors if it doesn't listen to you
20:58 <wrtlprnft> you talked to it?
20:58 <ghableska> yes, sorry, it's a bad habit of mine :P
20:58 * ghableska slaps self
20:58 * ghableska slaps Trillian too
21:05 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
21:07 <Vanhayes> #g $1.000.000USD to USD
21:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:07 <Vanhayes> #g $1.000.000 USD to USD
21:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> you don't need a calculator for that
21:10 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes :P
21:10 <Vanhayes> is it one dollar?
21:10 <ghableska> ?
21:10 <ghableska> what are you trying to do?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> #g 1,000,000 USD to USD
21:10 <armabot> 1,000,000 U.S. dollars = 1 million U.S. dollars
21:10 <wrtlprnft> two dots are invalid
21:10 <Vanhayes> $1.000.000 reads to me as being 1 dollar
21:10 <wrtlprnft> ?!
21:11 <wrtlprnft> that would be $1,000,000 in germany as we use , where you use the decimal and . where you use the ,
21:11 <ghableska> , or .?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> $1,000 = $1000 in america
21:12 <wrtlprnft> EUR 1.000 = EUR 1000 in germany
21:12 <wrtlprnft> $1.000 = $1 in america
21:12 <wrtlprnft> EUR 1,000 = EUR 1 in germany
21:12 <Vanhayes> I use the ,
21:12 <Vanhayes> to me the . means the end of money and start of 0
21:13 <TiTnAsS> -.-
21:14 <wrtlprnft> start of 0?
21:16 <Vanhayes> like $1 and $1.00 are the same
21:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:17 <wrtlprnft> but what would $1.000.000 mean?
21:17 <Vanhayes> $1 dollar or nothing
21:17 <wrtlprnft> what does the second dot mean?
21:18 <Vanhayes> im not sure
21:18 <Vanhayes> it either doesnt mean anything or negates the whole thing to 0
21:18 <Vanhayes> or maybe something else
21:18 <wrtlprnft> it's just an invalid number :P
21:19 <Vanhayes> anyway its a way to trick stupid people into believing its alot of money
21:20 <wrtlprnft> then you'd use $1.0000000
21:20 <wrtlprnft> or $1,000,000,000 x 10^-9
21:21 <Vanhayes> ill trade you $1.00000000 for $100
21:21 <Vanhayes> wont get a better deal anywhere else
21:22 <wrtlprnft> where can i send the money?
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21:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: ah, i just saw where you got the $1.000.000 from
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: sorry, i already thought you went crazy...
21:43 <Vanhayes> ?
21:43 <ghableska> o.0
21:43 <Vanhayes> o heh you thought I just picked random weird numbers?
21:45 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=7391&highlight= in case anyone was wondering what I was talking about
21:46 <wrtlprnft> well, people from north america sometimes seem to have wery weird and unlogic opinions about math and science sometimes :P
21:46 <ghableska> ooh
21:47 <ghableska> what is it with spambots and the world servers?
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21:47 <wrtlprnft> world servers is the smallest forum that the bot can post into
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> so the bot figures its thread is more likely to be read
21:48 <wrtlprnft> did i just scare mkzelda away?
21:48 <ghableska> heh
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21:49 <wrtlprnft> wb
21:49 <wrtlprnft> did i just scare you away?
21:52 <mkzelda> been on vacation for a week
21:52 <mkzelda> thanks
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22:34 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig sinclude
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SINCLUDE: Includes the following file silently, without error message if it is not found (default: )
22:34 <wrtlprnft> didn't know about that one
22:38 <luke-jr_> it's used for server_info and settings_custom
22:44 <spidey> O.o
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> you guys sure you don't want to finish the one where I took over for vanhayes after he smegheaded us?
22:49 <spidey> lol
22:49 <spidey> right now?
22:49 <Vanhayes> meh Im tired of the world map
22:49 <wrtlprnft> poor Vanhayes
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, not right now
22:50 <spidey> you trying to keep me up 3 days again? :p
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:50 <Vanhayes> aheh poor spidey and Lucifer_arma
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey wants to sleep? good.
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> poor spidey, can't even beat a bot that's been beaten back to ancient tech
22:50 <spidey> lies
22:50 <Vanhayes> truth
22:50 <spidey> i was thinking you'd try to attack me sometime
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes watched every guilty second of it
22:50 <spidey> so i was defending heavily
22:50 <spidey> i only sent 6 units
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> you're supposed to defend heavily anyway
22:51 <spidey> had no intent to send me :p
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> 6 units to conquer how many cities?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> give a bot a settler and five turns to develop, he'll beat you
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:51 <Vanhayes> man you had 2 carriers full and 2 transports full and a sub full of missiles
22:51 <spidey> he made over 60 cities!
22:51 <spidey> yes
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> this was the bot that I drove off africa when he had tanks and missiles and shit to fight back with
22:51 <spidey> they where for luci
22:51 <spidey> i had nukes to
22:51 <spidey> :D
22:52 <wrtlprnft> actually, if you nuke a bot's city and then snd in your engineers to remove the waste, will the bot attack you?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> what made you think I was going to turn on you? We agreed that after we finished the ais, the game was over
22:52 <Vanhayes> you should have gone for the space ship if you were playing defensivly
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, he'll just build cities around your engineers
22:52 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:52 <spidey> lmao
22:52 <Vanhayes> he wouldnt be able to move
22:52 <wrtlprnft> well
22:53 <Vanhayes> if you surround ythe city anyway
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes is right, that bot played it smart by developing a bunch of cities
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard to concentrate your fire when your target area is that big
22:53 <Vanhayes> i was impressed by it and disgusted by spidey
22:53 <wrtlprnft> if you were to put engineers on all 20 tiles around a city the bot would have to do something
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it as all of asia, almost up to the ural mountains
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he'd build a city
22:54 <wrtlprnft> if you have the 20 tiles around a city you'll starve it
22:54 <Vanhayes> he would have to destroy at least one engineer first
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> you literally have to push a front through the bot, and that type of warfare is a pain
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> he'd buy 6 alpines and attack one engineer
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> what is it with ais and alpines, anyway? Nearly every city I took was building one when I took it!
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> except for the one that was building MI
22:55 <wrtlprnft> they're fast
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> that speed cost something, they die when they get attacked or try to attack
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> they're only good for occupying a city or delaying an attacker
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I guess he was trying to delay me
22:56 <wrtlprnft> if you have enough of them you'll eventually kill a unit
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, they're also good skirmishers
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> not a veteran :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, actually you will, but that's an expensive kill
22:56 <wrtlprnft> at some point you would
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I admit, I built some alpines, because I wanted to try them out as skirmishers
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> wound up decided to use armor as skirmishers
22:57 <spidey> lol
22:58 <wrtlprnft> oh, and if you're fighting on the polar caps they might actually be useful
22:58 <spidey> if i played offensively i could beat a nation with a carrier of bombers and fighters and 16 troops
22:58 <wrtlprnft> because AFAIK they don't get lost there
22:58 <spidey> i did it before :p
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> depends on who you're fighting spidey
22:59 <spidey> AI
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes only took me the other night because he made a surprise attaack
22:59 <wrtlprnft> yesterday i played a local game without an AI
22:59 <spidey> a well devolped one
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> look, I just crushed 2 ais
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> the only reason I didn't destroy one was because *you* were going to do that, and failed
23:00 <spidey> i could have too, if i wasn't preparing for a attack i tohught you'd made
23:00 <wrtlprnft> i got lots of cities with HUGE production and over 20 inhabitants and build a spaceship in like 10 turns
23:00 <spidey> s/made/make
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I told you I wasn't attacking you, the game was over when we beat the ais, and we win together
23:00 <wrtlprnft> with all possible modules
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2 winners!
23:00 <spidey> i was jumpy
23:00 <spidey> and tired
23:00 <spidey> :p
23:00 * wrtlprnft hates playing war
23:00 <spidey> how long did we play?!
23:00 * Lucifer_arma likes playing war :)
23:01 * luke-jr_ is peaceful
23:01 <Vanhayes> over 16 hours spidey
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> too long, I'm going to bed
23:01 <luke-jr_> I spread my civs out =p
23:01 <spidey> :o
23:01 <spidey> 16 hours?
23:01 <spidey> fuck
23:01 <Vanhayes> you started at 1 am here
23:01 <spidey> O.O
23:01 <Vanhayes> its 6 pm
23:01 <Vanhayes> now
23:01 <spidey> wow
23:01 <luke-jr_> last game, I had begun spawning my civ to Asia and South America
23:01 <Vanhayes> so 17
23:01 <spidey> well
23:01 <luke-jr_> looks like the AI took advantage of Asia's spawn
23:01 <spidey> luci pwned that one
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and I took it in south america and africa, and spidey was supposed to take it in Asia
23:02 <luke-jr_> heh
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> it did, it did very nicely in fact
23:02 <Vanhayes> it was almost foolproof
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's probably at least another 8 hours there for me to get spidey and then the rest of the zulus
23:02 <luke-jr_> intermixed civs discourage war, I think
23:02 <luke-jr_> and help trade
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> hell, by the time I move against the zulus, there'll be a front in europe
23:02 <spidey> if you could have gotten me :p
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> "could" is only a matter of cost
23:02 <Vanhayes> spidey: he could have
23:03 <spidey> maybe
23:03 <spidey> his missiles are useless
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes checked out my american campaign :)
23:03 <Vanhayes> yes and saw how many troops both of you had
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> I only had to use spies there to peek into the other cities, even. They got off easy
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> the spies in africa had to work for their money
23:03 <spidey> i was building cruisers for every city and had triple air defense
23:03 <spidey> ageirs cruisers
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> whoopee. Protect against my spies, hardened from their american campaign :)
23:04 <spidey> sure
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> spies are underrated, I think
23:04 <spidey> auto attack,plus if i see one and can't kill it i had a ton of missile saved for your subs
23:04 <spidey> :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> but good intelligence can make or break a campaign
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> you can't see my subs
23:04 <spidey> can
23:04 <luke-jr_> hm
23:05 <luke-jr_> Kopete supports Jingle
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> how? through my blockade?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> only if they're adjacent to one of your units
23:05 <spidey> ...
23:05 <spidey> i seen everyone of his subs
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> you saw how long I took to carefully setup blockades everywhere we were fighting
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> we were sharing vision!
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm going to attack you, I'm not sharing vision with you!
23:05 <spidey> there's a ship that has sonar
23:05 <spidey> it can see subs
23:05 <spidey> i think it's the battleship
23:05 <spidey> or the cruiser
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> it has to get through my blockade to do that
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23:06 <spidey> blockade??
23:06 <spidey> all i gotta do is use my missiles
23:06 <spidey> or the nukes i was saving for your big transports
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> I only put missile boats on the inside of the blockade after I scouted the cities and saw they couldn't do anything about it
23:06 <Vanhayes> chances are spidey you would forget to take away vision again :)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I had lots of aegis cruisers and was building more....
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> hah, yep
23:06 <spidey> hmm
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I could sneak in a settler, build a city, then stick an airport in it, now I have a beachhead and a route in
23:07 <spidey> wouldn't work
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> sneak in another, and another, and you'll use up all your nukes on it
23:07 <spidey> 1 i'd see the border
23:07 <spidey> 2 i'd nuke it if i couldn't take it
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you'll run out sooner or later
23:08 <spidey> not with a 40 production
23:08 <spidey> and 10+ on other cities
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> your logistics train was good, but I had three continents to pull from
23:08 <spidey> maybe
23:09 <spidey> but me spitting out ground units in 2 turns and bombers in 5 turns :D
23:09 <spidey> i could kill your blockade.....with missiles or fighters
23:09 <spidey> destroyers don't defend against air units like cruisers
23:09 <spidey> i had a ton of fighters to -_-
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> how can you even be sure I wouldn't show up with nukes?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as we go head to head, the world is going nuclear winter and there ain't jack I can do about it
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> so why should I even try to save your cities? Why not just leave AUstralia a crater?
23:11 <spidey> 1 if you actually where to attack me
23:11 <spidey> 1
23:11 <spidey> i've got a small unit ready to move out
23:11 <spidey> 2 nukes go with it
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> through my blockade?
23:11 <spidey> of course
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> what part of blockade are you not understanding here?
23:11 <spidey> my fighters can take out them pitty destroyers :p
23:12 <spidey> destroyers are worthless :P
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> What about the fleet of battleships I was building the whole time I was attacking the Americans?
23:12 <spidey> so?
23:12 <spidey> bombers and missiles can kill them
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> or the 10 or so aegis cruisers I came up with?
23:12 <spidey> ageirs cruisers are the only thing i can't kill with air force
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that is all true, and you might kill the first wave
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> you might even kill the second wave
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> how do you think you'll do when the 10th wave gets there? The 20th?
23:13 <spidey> only one way to know :p
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> told you it would take a long time. That's why it takes me so long to setup for war, and it's ok to let the other guy dig in.
23:13 <spidey> besides i'm tired and need a cigarette really bad, so i'ma walk to the store
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> sure, it's possible he could dig in deep enough that I can't beat him
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> but stalin beat hitler, didn't he? :)
23:14 <spidey> no
23:14 <spidey> allies beat hitler
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, stalin beat hitler
23:14 <DrJoeTron> stalin was an allie
23:14 <spidey> allies beat hitler
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> allies just took credit, but the war was decided at Stalingrad
23:14 <spidey> -_-
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't decided in the Battle of the Bulge, it was decided at Stalingrad
23:14 <spidey> walking to the store bbl!
23:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> 1 million dead russian soldiers
23:14 <DrJoeTron> Let them take as many pawns as they need!@
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I think the real reason spidey failed to take out the zulus was because he was committing a classic blunder
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> He got involved in a land war in asia :)
23:17 <DrJoeTron> zing!
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:20 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:21 <dino__> do you guys know how to grow above size 12 in freeciv
23:23 <GodTodd> sewer system?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> build a sewer
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to play a game with heavy barbarian onset
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
23:25 <dino__> what a sewer?
23:25 <dino__> i'd build carazans
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you need Sanitation to build a sewer
23:26 <dino__> ok
23:27 <dino__> I'm still learning tactics
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23:55 <spidey> hhmm
23:55 <spidey> i think the girl was flirting with me
23:56 <spidey> she fave me a pack of cigarettes free,though so i don't care
23:57 <spidey> i had my science upto 485pts/turn
23:57 <spidey> :)
23:59 <DrJoeTron> did you find true love spidey?
23:59 <DrJoeTron> and was through a pack of newports?
Log from 2006-08-20:
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00:00 <spidey> fuck no
00:00 <DrJoeTron> sounds romantic! <3
00:00 <spidey> newports sucks
00:00 <spidey> and she was ugly
00:00 <spidey> so i took the cigarettes and left :D
00:00 <DrJoeTron> beggars cant be choosers :p
00:00 <spidey> i didn't beg
00:00 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:00 <spidey> i went to buy cigarettes and ended up with a free pack
00:02 <spidey> though i gotta take another shower
00:02 <spidey> it's hot outside
00:05 <spidey> why the hell do stores sell crack lighters
00:06 <spidey> who the hell needs a flame 3 inches tall
00:06 <spidey> -__
00:06 <spidey> -_-
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00:10 <DrJoeTron> i bit the side of my mouff
00:11 <luke-jr_> wah wah
00:16 <Vanhayes> spidey: you can make any bic or bic knock off 3 inches or longer
00:16 <spidey> it's not a bic
00:16 <spidey> and i don't like big flames,they waste fluid
00:17 <Vanhayes> thats not my point I said bic knock off
00:17 <Vanhayes> i didnt say it was smart to do only that you could do it
00:18 <spidey> i'm not a crack head so i don't need it :p
00:19 <spidey> 2 lighters lasted me 3 months
00:19 <spidey> or more
00:19 <Vanhayes> neither am I but uts easy to do
00:19 <Vanhayes> its*
00:19 <spidey> i only use big flames for fireworks ;x
00:19 <Vanhayes> its funny to do then give it to some one who needs a light
00:20 <luke-jr_> you just answered why someone would need it
00:20 <spidey> ....
00:20 <luke-jr_> cigarettes should be illegal anyway
00:20 <spidey> you only need fireworks 1 time a year
00:20 <luke-jr_> nah
00:20 <spidey> luke-jr_ should be illegal
00:20 <luke-jr_> fireworks are fun year round
00:21 <Vanhayes> I dont really care either way, I dont smole but most of my friends and almost all my family do
00:21 <luke-jr_> doesn't make it right
00:21 <Vanhayes> doesnt make it wrong
00:21 <luke-jr_> anyhow
00:21 <luke-jr_> it is wrong
00:21 <Vanhayes> its unhealthy not wrong
00:21 <luke-jr_> it harms the body
00:21 <luke-jr_> unhealthy is wrong
00:21 <spidey> so
00:21 <luke-jr_> anyway
00:21 <Vanhayes> not it isnt
00:22 <luke-jr_> that's not the biggest reason why it should be illegal
00:22 <spidey> driving can harm the body
00:22 <luke-jr_> the biggest reason is
00:22 <luke-jr_> it's addictive
00:22 <spidey> holding your breathe kills brain cells
00:22 <spidey> fuck it
00:22 <spidey> lets make everything illegal
00:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: driving doesn't inherently harm the body
00:22 <Vanhayes> everyone has some sort of addiction or another
00:22 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: not chemical
00:22 <spidey> luke-jr_ you're addicted to the internet
00:22 <spidey> lets ban it
00:23 <luke-jr_> no, I'm addicted to caffine
00:23 <Vanhayes> no even worse, low will power
00:23 <spidey> lets make prescription drugs illegal to
00:23 <Vanhayes> chemical you have an excuse anything else its only you to blame
00:23 <spidey> even if you need them
00:23 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: chemical addictions are a cause for their addiction themselves
00:23 <spidey> they're addictive
00:23 <spidey> infact
00:23 <spidey> lets get rid of tron and freeciv
00:23 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: some chemical addictions are bad enough that withdrawl will kill
00:23 <spidey> they're addictive aswell
00:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: they're not inherently addictive
00:24 <spidey> so
00:24 <spidey> they're addictive
00:24 <spidey> lets get rid of food
00:24 <spidey> it's addictive
00:24 <spidey> basically, stfu :D
00:24 <luke-jr_> they don't do harm, either
00:24 <dino__> i got cities in size 18 and 19
00:24 <dino__> yay
00:24 <Vanhayes> if we got rid of everything that was bad for us this would be a very dull grey world
00:24 <luke-jr_> gluttony could be illegal and I wouldn't mind
00:24 <spidey> big cities are bad
00:24 <spidey> population pollution
00:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: mainly, just the bad stuff that is inherently addictive
00:25 <dino__> btw that guy i was playing under his game Simon he is playing with us
00:25 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: cigarettes, caffeine, that stuff
00:25 <spidey> if we ban cigarettes
00:25 <spidey> we're banning luke-jr_
00:25 <spidey> and blacklisting him
00:25 <spidey> !
00:25 <luke-jr_> you make no sense
00:26 <spidey> neither do you
00:26 <luke-jr_> sure I do
00:26 <spidey> no you don't
00:26 <luke-jr_> there is *nothing* positive about smoking
00:26 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: nothing dhould be banned at all people should make there own choices
00:26 <spidey> there's nothing positive about the internet
00:26 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: so it's ok if I kill spidey ?
00:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: pfft, you have much to learn
00:26 <Vanhayes> if your willing to face the consequences yes
00:27 <spidey> there's nothing positive about watching tv
00:27 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there are no consequences in anarchy ;p
00:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: ban TV and I won't complain a bit
00:27 <spidey> good so i can tie you up and stab you when i walk by
00:27 <spidey> and i'd get away with it
00:27 <spidey> because anarchy own
00:28 <luke-jr_> spidey: you have a disturbing mind
00:28 <Vanhayes> maybe for you but I have my own set of principles and rules I use to tell me what is right and what is wrong
00:28 <spidey> luke-jr_ you want to kill me, what's the difference?
00:28 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: right vs wrong is not a matter of opinion
00:28 <spidey> besides i wanna stab you slowly multiple times
00:28 <Vanhayes> yes it is
00:28 <luke-jr_> spidey: I never said I wanted to
00:28 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: not at all
00:28 <Vanhayes> ok
00:28 <Vanhayes> how so?
00:28 <luke-jr_> how so what?
00:28 <spidey> wait
00:28 <spidey> so
00:28 <spidey> what decides right and wrong
00:28 <Vanhayes> How is it not a matter of oppinion?
00:28 <spidey> you?
00:28 <spidey> me?
00:29 <luke-jr_> spidey: God
00:29 <spidey> GOD?
00:29 <spidey> fuck god
00:29 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: right vs wrong is part of truth
00:29 <luke-jr_> objective fact
00:29 <Vanhayes> you dont always know the truth though
00:29 <luke-jr_> perhaps not
00:29 <spidey> so,lets see
00:29 <luke-jr_> but that doesn't change that it is not opinion
00:29 <spidey> wait
00:29 <spidey> we're all going to hell
00:29 <dino__> arent you going to play
00:29 <luke-jr_> someone can have a wrong perception of the truth without it changing the truth
00:30 <Vanhayes> what was right based on what you thought was truth could be wrong once that truth is shown to be a lie
00:30 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: it's either right or wrong. Just because you think it's right doesn't make it so.
00:30 <Vanhayes> it make it so for me
00:30 <spidey> luke-jr_ so you living in a house with food and water, and people living on the streets without, isn't wrong!?!?
00:30 <spidey> why don't you do soemthing !?!
00:30 <luke-jr_> no, it makes your perception wrong
00:30 <spidey> wait
00:30 <spidey> wait
00:30 <Vanhayes> and since I cant be anyone else that makes it Right.
00:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: I work for my home and food.
00:31 <Vanhayes> there is no clearly stated right or wrong, all we have is what we perceive is right or wrong
00:31 <spidey> you expect people with shitty clothes to be able to get a job??
00:31 <spidey> you're out of your mind,too
00:31 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there is infallible teaching on many issues
00:31 <luke-jr_> spidey: certainly, even if a minimum wage job
00:32 <Vanhayes> but those teachings only reflect what the teacher believes is right and wrong
00:32 <spidey> would you hire someone with clothes that haven't been washed in 2 weeks with holes in them??
00:32 <spidey> if someone better came along,you'd hire the bum?
00:32 <spidey> i doubt it
00:32 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: that's why the teacher needs to be guaranteed to be correct
00:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: you assume someone better will come along
00:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: many minimum wage jobs can't hire someone better
00:32 <spidey> i assume
00:33 <Vanhayes> there is no guarantee that they could be correct
00:33 <luke-jr_> someone better will work for more than min wage
00:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there can be
00:33 <Vanhayes> explain
00:33 <spidey> luke-jr_ you would want someone working for you who looked like shit?
00:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: Truth/God Himself will always be correct
00:33 <spidey> and stinks?
00:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: depends on the job, obviously
00:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: think physical labor
00:33 <spidey> exactly, noone will hire them
00:34 <spidey> it's a matter of fact
00:34 <luke-jr_> McD will =p
00:34 <spidey> i doubt it
00:34 <luke-jr_> I don't
00:34 <luke-jr_> they're desperate
00:34 <spidey> even mcd has standards
00:34 <luke-jr_> they train people
00:34 <luke-jr_> they issue uniforms
00:35 * spidey yawns
00:35 <luke-jr_> all a bum would need is the desire to work, and maybe access to a shower for 2 weeks
00:35 <spidey> where would they get a shower for freE?
00:35 <Vanhayes> but (asuming there is a god) how do you know that truth you have, which is 2000 years old and copied down by human beings is what god had originally set down as "truth"
00:36 <luke-jr_> spidey: rain? municipal pools?
00:36 <spidey> what's the golden rule luke?
00:36 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: God started His Church specifically to preserve the Truth, and guaranteed protection from error
00:36 <spidey> luke-jr_ if you believe and honor that
00:36 <Vanhayes> so when did god start his church?
00:37 <spidey> go get a bum and nurture him
00:37 <spidey> or stfu
00:37 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: When He came to Earth the first time
00:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: I would, if I found any who wanted to work
00:37 <Vanhayes> sooo how long ago was this?
00:37 <spidey> you're not looking
00:37 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: about 2000 years ago
00:37 <spidey> you're wanting them to come to you
00:37 <Vanhayes> and how do you know this?
00:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: they do anyway-- but they want handouts, not help working
00:38 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: multiple historical records, including but not limited to infallible teachings of the Church
00:39 <spidey> church sucks
00:39 <spidey> they use the new testiment
00:39 <spidey> which is rewritten
00:40 <spidey> christians also suck
00:40 <Vanhayes> so how much do I have to pay to get into heaven?
00:40 <spidey> and christmas was stolen from the peagons
00:40 <Vanhayes> winter solstice yes
00:41 <luke-jr_> Christmas is celebrated when it is to avoid persecution by pagans
00:42 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: pay? only what you can afford to tithe
00:42 <Vanhayes> tithe?
00:42 <luke-jr_> donate to the Church
00:42 <spidey> pshs
00:42 <Vanhayes> so If I pay the church I can get into heaven?
00:42 <luke-jr_> not really payment
00:42 <luke-jr_> no
00:42 <spidey> donate to the church my ass
00:42 <luke-jr_> you asked specifically about moneyh
00:43 <spidey> that money goes to the preacher
00:43 <Vanhayes> well thats how it used to be
00:43 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: the Church has always been the same, and never about paying into heaven
00:43 <Vanhayes> hmm I know about all my history books Ive used that say you are wrong
00:43 <spidey> well
00:44 <luke-jr_> there was a time period when rich snobs misunderstood indulgences, but that's all
00:44 <spidey> if there's a heaven and hell,i goto hell for my beleifs, if not i laugh at luke-jr_ for dying and being no more
00:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: if not, you don't exist anymore so can't laugh
00:44 <Vanhayes> what is peridition luke-jr_ ? when did it start?
00:45 <luke-jr_> #g peridition
00:45 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:45 <luke-jr_> #dict peridition
00:45 <armabot> luke-jr_: No definition for "peridition" could be found.
00:45 * spidey thinks luke-jr_ is one of those asshole christians who try to force there beleifs on people
00:45 <spidey> which from what i've heard isn't what a christian is about :)
00:45 <luke-jr_> you've heard from heretics, then
00:46 <spidey> i went to church, when i was 5
00:46 <luke-jr_> not real Christians
00:46 <spidey> real christians?
00:46 <spidey> you mean the ones that tried to steal the place "jesus" was borne?
00:46 <luke-jr_> ...
00:46 <spidey> bitch
00:46 <spidey> jesus was a jew
00:46 <luke-jr_> so?
00:46 <spidey> where's christianity come in
00:47 <luke-jr_> Christianity is the fulfilment of Judaism, and replaces it
00:47 <luke-jr_> Neo-Judaism is just another false belief system
00:47 <spidey> replaces it?
00:47 <spidey> you mean something man decided right?
00:47 <luke-jr_> no
00:47 <spidey> yes
00:48 <luke-jr_> something God decided
00:48 <spidey> right
00:48 <spidey> so god told you to be christian?
00:48 <luke-jr_> He created Judaism to be fulfilled by Christianity
00:48 <spidey> what about japanese? are they going to hell because they believe in buddism?
00:48 <Vanhayes> so seeing as christianity is being replaced you must be fine with that
00:48 <luke-jr_> Only Catholics are saved.
00:48 <spidey> psh
00:48 <spidey> that's not a god
00:49 <spidey> if it is refer to my first statement
00:49 <spidey> fuck god
00:49 <Vanhayes> ah but all religion is declining luke-jr_ so that must be gods will
00:49 <luke-jr_> that's men rejecting God's Will
00:50 <spidey> why would jesus be jewish if his father wanted everyone to be christian?
00:50 <Vanhayes> well seeing as I dont believe he exists there is nothing for me to reject is there?
00:51 <luke-jr_> spidey: Jewish == Christian
00:51 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: He exists regardless of your belief to the contrary
00:51 <Vanhayes> no
00:51 <luke-jr_> yes
00:51 <spidey> really??
00:52 <luke-jr_> the mere existence of God was proven a LONG time ago
00:52 <Vanhayes> no it wasnt
00:52 <spidey> you mean by someone smoking pot?
00:52 <luke-jr_> spidey: Jewish is the name for one time period; Christian for another time period
00:52 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: it was
00:52 <spidey> how?
00:52 <spidey> historical fact?
00:52 <luke-jr_> Aristotle, IIRC, did an early proof
00:53 <spidey> aristotle?
00:53 <spidey> a man....
00:53 <Vanhayes> I wasnt there nor have I meet anyone who was, or anyone who knows anyone who knows someone who was there
00:53 <spidey> lol
00:53 <Vanhayes> so that is my proof he does not exist
00:53 <spidey> i liked that
00:53 <Vanhayes> what is your proof he does?
00:53 <luke-jr_> that's no proof
00:53 <Vanhayes> more than you have
00:53 <luke-jr_> you cannot prove the non-existence of anything supernatural
00:53 <luke-jr_> you can only prove the existence
00:53 <Vanhayes> nor can you prove it
00:54 <luke-jr_> it has been proven, many times
00:54 <spidey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
00:54 <Vanhayes> you can not prove something that doesnt exist
00:54 <luke-jr_> He does exist, which is why it has been proven
00:54 <spidey> proven?
00:54 <spidey> why don't we hear fro mhim now
00:54 <spidey> why haven't we seen him
00:55 <spidey> i'd be willing to give my life if he showed up
00:55 <luke-jr_> many people have
00:55 <Vanhayes> what about the gods that were there before him?
00:55 <spidey> people?
00:55 <spidey> you mean people wanting attention
00:55 <luke-jr_> but seeing is not sound proof
00:55 <spidey> or
00:55 <Vanhayes> it is the best humans have
00:55 <spidey> you mean people hollucinating?
00:55 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there are no other gods, but we were talking about proof of simply the existence of at least one god
00:55 <spidey> no other gods?
00:56 <luke-jr_> seeing is not proof
00:56 <luke-jr_> as spidey points out, hallucination is possible
00:56 <luke-jr_> as are Satanic visions
00:56 <spidey> so that must mean everyone but the americans are going to hell??
00:56 <luke-jr_> and other stuff
00:56 <spidey> 'er
00:56 <spidey> christians
00:56 <Vanhayes> so people were wrong about older gods than "god" ?
00:56 <luke-jr_> non-Catholics cannot go to Heaven
00:56 <spidey> really
00:57 <Vanhayes> him thought it started out as christians way back in the day
00:57 <spidey> somehow i disagree
00:57 <spidey> well
00:57 <Vanhayes> I guess the church was wrong
00:57 <Vanhayes> but it cant be wrong...
00:57 <spidey> seeing as there was civilizations BEFORE catholictism was even thought of
00:58 <spidey> luke-jr_ ok here's a plan
00:58 <spidey> i kill you, you come back and tell me if god exsists
00:58 <luke-jr_> Catholicism was not "thought of"
00:59 <spidey> sure it was
00:59 <luke-jr_> Catholicism is yet another word for the Truth
00:59 <spidey> oh wait
00:59 <spidey> god spoke to a human
00:59 <spidey> i forgot
00:59 <spidey> the chosen ones
00:59 <luke-jr_> no
00:59 <luke-jr_> God Himself started the Church
00:59 <luke-jr_> and planned for it
00:59 <spidey> bullshit
01:00 <Vanhayes> the need to believe in something greater than yourself that controls your actions is weak and cowardly. It gives you the excuse to do what you want without having to take any responsibility for your actions
01:00 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: denying the truth is just plain dumb
01:00 <spidey> god is something man invented to explain what he cannot explain
01:01 <Vanhayes> Accepting the "truth" unquestionably is infinitle more so
01:01 <luke-jr_> I accept the truth based on logical and sound evidence
01:02 <spidey> you mean what you've been told is logical and sound evidence?
01:02 <spidey> not what you know for a hard fact
01:02 <spidey> right?
01:02 <spidey> you can't tell me you've met god in person and know this is a fact
01:02 <spidey> so stfu
01:03 * luke-jr_ tells spidey he's met God in person and knows this is a fact. =p
01:03 <spidey> ihah
01:04 <spidey> you lied
01:04 <spidey> christians don't lie
01:04 <spidey> you're going to hell
01:04 <luke-jr_> sarcasm isn't a lie
01:04 <Vanhayes> hmm what is it then?
01:04 <spidey> sarcasm is irellavent
01:04 <Vanhayes> it isnt the truth
01:04 <Vanhayes> and if it isnt true than it is a lie
01:05 <spidey> maybe "god" was started as sarcasm
01:05 <spidey> and they got attention
01:05 <spidey> so continued it
01:05 <spidey> simple fact you don't know for sure
01:05 <spidey> so you can't preach about it
01:07 <Vanhayes> well seeing as 50 years ago if you asked 100 people if they all went to church at least 90% would tell you yes, now if you asked 100 people the same question I would be surprised if 20% said yes
01:07 <luke-jr_> I do know for sure
01:07 <luke-jr_> so stfu
01:07 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: irrelevant
01:07 <spidey> how??
01:07 <spidey> show me
01:07 <Vanhayes> no
01:07 <spidey> give me hard evidence
01:07 <spidey> not some historical bullshit
01:08 <spidey> didn't think so :)
01:11 <spidey> you're going to hell because you're not catholic*so luke jr says)
01:11 <luke-jr_> in the time of St. Alphonsus, an estimated 3 in 100,000 were saved. It's even fewer today
01:11 <spidey> my status on msn
01:11 <spidey> you're saved because you get dumped in water???
01:11 * spidey jumps in the bathtub
01:11 <luke-jr_> baptism isn't merely dumping water
01:11 <spidey> it's a bunch of yelling
01:12 <spidey> sounds kinda like oprical
01:12 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: im done, I dont know what will happen when I die, you could be right, but to presume that yours is the one and only belief that is correct and all others are damned, is so arrogant and foolish for if your wrong and those you condemed to be damned are not,then how forgiving do you think they might be?
01:12 <Vanhayes> anyway Im off for a bitt Im going out to get shittered
01:12 <Vanhayes> cya
01:13 <spidey> and i'm going to sleep :D
01:15 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: if they're right, then they're just dead and so am I and there's nobody to forgive or be forgiven =p
01:15 <luke-jr_> and I've "wasted" my life doing my best to be as perfect as I am capable of
01:15 <luke-jr_> but that also is irrelevant, because I'd still be dead
01:15 <luke-jr_> and nothing would matter
01:16 <luke-jr_> or have any purpose or meaning
01:16 <spidey> ./mentally ignore luke-jr_
01:16 * spidey goes to sleep
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01:24 <dino__> do you guys know who was playing under "Simon" in freeciv?
01:24 <dino__> the ukranian
01:27 <luke-jr_> you
01:30 <dino__> i was compliting his game
01:30 <dino__> but there was someone before i enter
01:39 <luke-jr_> o
01:39 <luke-jr_> the AI?
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02:50 <GodTodd> i am so fucking sick of christians crying 'persecution'
02:53 <Legit> LoL
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03:57 <dino__> luke-jr_,
03:58 <dino__> damn
03:58 <dino__> that ai was the harder
03:58 <dino__> but we nuke him
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05:18 <DrJoeTron> ok
05:18 <DrJoeTron> how many of you have english as a 2nd language
05:18 <hang3r> hey joe ;)
05:19 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3 hang!
05:19 <hang3r> long time no see :)
05:19 <DrJoeTron> oh hasnt it just
05:20 <hang3r> whats been happening in tron land?
05:20 <hang3r> what have I missed
05:20 <DrJoeTron> same as it ever was
05:20 <DrJoeTron> same as it ever was
05:20 <DrJoeTron> same as it ever was
05:20 <DrJoeTron> same as it.... ever was!
05:20 <DrJoeTron> i love that song
05:21 <DrJoeTron> ah, nothing new and or exciting
05:21 <DrJoeTron> cept for me comming on to irc finally
05:21 <DrJoeTron> which is more like a burden reallly
05:21 <DrJoeTron> to the rest of the worl
05:21 <DrJoeTron> d
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're missing evryone playing freeciv, heh
05:21 <hang3r> haha, hey luci
05:26 <DrJoeTron> hey
05:26 <DrJoeTron> who here knows DOS commands
05:26 <DrJoeTron> how do i switch the directory to the desktop :/
05:26 <DrJoeTron> totally forgot
05:32 <DrJoeTron> figured it out
05:48 <hang3r> "cd %homepath%\des[press tab]"
05:48 <hang3r> :)
05:48 <hang3r> or if des doesnt return desktop when you press tab, press it some more
05:50 <DrJoeTron> CD dresktop :D
05:50 <DrJoeTron> desktop*
05:50 <DrJoeTron> i was teaching someone how to merge files together
05:52 <hang3r> yeah well if you are starting of in documents and settings then "cd desktop" will obviously work =P
05:56 <DrJoeTron> :d
05:56 <DrJoeTron> hang do you have a ds?
06:06 <hang3r> err, a ds?
06:07 <DrJoeTron> guess not :/
06:08 <GodTodd> blergle
06:10 <hang3r> you mean a Nintendo DS, sorry im tired havent been to sleep :/
06:10 <hang3r> no i dont
06:10 <DrJoeTron> ya
06:11 <hang3r> id rather a psp anyday though :P
06:11 <DrJoeTron> pfft no way
06:11 <DrJoeTron> all of its 2 games :D
06:13 <DrJoeTron> il get a psp when it isnt 250 bucks
06:13 <hang3r> http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=games&sort=views&letter=999&dlx_type=all&sortdir=desc
06:13 <hang3r> looks like more then two games to me :)
06:13 <DrJoeTron> they're all ports :D
06:13 <DrJoeTron> lumines, and wipeout pure
06:14 <DrJoeTron> oh and hotshots golf
06:14 <hang3r> yeah that wasnt sorted by psp
06:14 <DrJoeTron> it doesnt seem worth it too me
06:14 <hang3r> heres the link to psp games http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1024&category=&type=games&mode=top&sort=views&sortdir=desc
06:14 <DrJoeTron> 250 dollars isnt worht it yet
06:14 <DrJoeTron> id only get one for the homebrew support
06:14 <DrJoeTron> other wise
06:15 <DrJoeTron> ds lite is way cheaper
06:15 <DrJoeTron> and the battery life is much better
06:15 <DrJoeTron> though hardware wise
06:15 <DrJoeTron> psp, nice friggin stuff
06:16 <hang3r> hmm, depenends on what you wont i guess, if you want a portable media player that also plays games (and racing sims which im into) and have the money, then its the psp by far
06:16 <DrJoeTron> hehe
06:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:16 <DrJoeTron> i play mario kart and tetris
06:16 <DrJoeTron> and those are a blast online
06:16 <hang3r> *depends
06:16 <hang3r> lol
06:17 <DrJoeTron> however
06:17 <DrJoeTron> rumors have it
06:18 <DrJoeTron> by holiday time
06:18 <DrJoeTron> 150 bucks psp
06:18 <DrJoeTron> = :D
06:18 <DrJoeTron> that i will get
06:18 <DrJoeTron> fuck yeah
06:18 <DrJoeTron> but 250
06:19 <DrJoeTron> and look at ridge racer
06:19 <DrJoeTron> the battery lasts 90 minutes with the game and wifi running?
06:19 <DrJoeTron> noooo thanks
06:21 <luke-jr_> boo
06:21 <luke-jr_> the AIs have me reduced to 1 city
06:22 <luke-jr_> hang3r: tab doesn't work on Windows...
06:23 <hang3r> luke-jr_: what makes you say that?
06:24 <luke-jr_> experience? =p
06:24 <hang3r> some thing tells me luke hasnt been running windows since the 9x days ;)
06:24 <hang3r> *somthing
06:24 <luke-jr_> 2000
06:24 <hang3r> with an e
06:24 <luke-jr_> Win2k
06:25 <hang3r> yeah its not enabled by default in 2k, in XP it is
06:26 <hang3r> http://www.allisonfamily.org/bill/library/tips/tab_completion.html
06:28 <hang3r> "experience" =p
06:45 <GodTodd> hrmm
06:45 <luke-jr_> anyway
06:46 <luke-jr_> so the AIs were all attacking me
06:46 <luke-jr_> and got me down to only 1 city
06:46 <luke-jr_> so all of a sudden
06:46 <luke-jr_> that 1 city's only produce is Nuclear
07:04 <hang3r> Will there be an option to change the new style glance (the one thats in 0.3.0) back to the old pre-0.2.8 glance?
07:04 <hang3r> or does that option already exist?
07:11 <luke-jr_> yes
07:14 <hang3r> yes there will be an option to change glance style, or yes there is an option already to change it... If the later, whats it called/where can i find it.
07:15 <luke-jr_> no clue
07:15 <luke-jr_> I just know it will be an option
07:15 <luke-jr_> before 1.0
07:15 <hang3r> hmm, well i found something about custom glance in the menu's, thought maybe that was it
07:16 <hang3r> but couldnt find anyway to configure it
07:16 <luke-jr_> custom stuff is usually manually configured
07:22 <hang3r> yes, true, although for this it would make sense to be able to adjust it from the menus.... Anyway
07:23 <hang3r> SMART_GLANCE_CUSTOM_1 - 4, in the 0.3.0 user config file, however i have no idea what they do :(
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> there needs to be a "I won't destroy you" treaty clause
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> SO I can say "You give me Gronningen, and I won't destroy you"
07:24 <spidey> ?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> the ai is sailing around in triremes and I just rolled my first destroyer into the ocean
07:26 <GodTodd> good god...the germans have like 30 cities and 20 settlers
07:26 <GodTodd> on a damn island
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this guy's spreading like a disease, it's going to be several nasty campaigns. I want bombers before I start.
07:27 <GodTodd> well...i'm allied with the germans...for now ;)
07:27 <hang3r> hmm, maybe i should check out freeciv, sounds interesting
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's pretty fun
07:28 <GodTodd> careful though....you may not sleep for a while ;)
07:28 <GodTodd> heh
07:29 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh
07:29 <armabot> spidey: [07:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> and when you lay down you'll be thinking about your next campaign
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> sorry spidey, I"m playing a local game
07:29 <spidey> -_-
07:29 <GodTodd> ahhh you've begun dreaming about freeciv now, eh? ;)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I could start up another game, but I'm interested in playing on a generated map instead
07:29 <spidey> ok
07:30 <spidey> as long as landmass is bigger
07:30 <spidey> :D
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> haven't started dreaming about it yet, but I lie there in bed thinking about my next campaign
07:30 <spidey> and i don't get some small ass island -_-
07:30 <GodTodd> haha
07:30 * GodTodd gives spidey a small ass island.
07:30 <spidey> bah
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> my ass is a small island
07:30 <GodTodd> bahaha
07:30 <spidey> full of oilfeilds ? ;)
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's well-lubed
07:31 <GodTodd> well...something dark anyway
07:31 <GodTodd> heh
07:31 <spidey> :p
07:31 * GodTodd flips luci the KY.
07:31 <GodTodd> haha
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> so who's up for a game?
07:31 <spidey> hmm
07:32 <GodTodd> fuckin' taiwanese :/
07:32 <spidey> i think i'ma make a mp3 list instead of listening to the radio
07:32 <spidey> gimme a sec
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a local game going right now, so if there aren't many players I'll just keep what I"m doing. I wanted to run an awesome campaign against a large enemy, and that's exactly what the computer gave me
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07:33 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that's "Cease-fire"
07:33 <spidey> ok
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> you can't agree to cease-fire if you're "neutral" can you?
07:33 <luke-jr_> hang3r: we're planning an Armagetron Civilizations game based on it
07:33 <spidey> no i'm not
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you cancel treaty to get to ceasefire
07:34 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: they can't desttroy you if you're neutral too
07:34 <spidey> sounds like shit listening to it from the computer
07:34 <spidey> ---
07:34 <spidey> unless
07:34 <spidey> lemme hook a speaker up
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> no wait, you're right, you don't cancel treaty to get to cease-fire
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a try that and see what he says
07:34 * luke-jr_ 's busy compiling KDE 4
07:34 <hang3r> luke-jr_: you mean like a match?
07:35 <luke-jr_> hang3r: eh?
07:35 <hang3r> i havent played the game so i have no idea what you're talking about clearly
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> he didn't go for it
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm going to war with cannons and destroyers, I'll have to develop flight on-the-fly, as it were
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> better start staging
07:36 <luke-jr_> hang3r: TRON version
07:37 <luke-jr_> hang3r: ever play a Civilizations game?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> cannons and musketeers, bleh
07:37 <hang3r> nope sadly, am i missing out?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I need to call myself Napolean if I'm doing that
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> yes hang3r , you're missing out
07:37 <hang3r> :..(
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> go read the manual a bit :)
07:37 <luke-jr_> hang3r: missing out of Freeciv, yes
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/
07:38 <luke-jr_> hang3r: think SimCity with competition
07:38 <luke-jr_> hang3r: like war, or space races
07:39 <spidey> yes!
07:39 <spidey> Lucifer_arma gimme 5 minutes to build a mp3 list
07:39 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: ping
07:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah?
07:40 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: so you gonna make the TRON ver w/ me? =p
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> only unlike simcity, you're not building one city, you're building an entire civilization
07:40 <DrJoeTron> if you want to sure
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> you start with just a few settlers, maybe some workers and an explorer, and build from there
07:40 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yeah, I meant SimCity in a more general sense =p
07:40 <DrJoeTron> haha im glad you want to
07:40 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: ...?
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> there's a technology race always going on, and when you go to war you have to deal with logistics :)
07:40 <luke-jr_> if you go to war...
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> but it's nicely abstracted so it not only doesn't weigh down the game, it enhances it
07:40 <GodTodd> logistics? what are these you speak of?
07:40 <GodTodd> heh
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> right, "if", because if you're doing well in technology and production you can go for the space race
07:41 <GodTodd> or a bit of both
07:41 <GodTodd> ;)
07:41 <hang3r> yeah im reading now, sounds interesting, going to give it a try now
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> the winner is the first player who a) conquers the world OR b) sends a successful colonization mission to Alpha Centauri
07:41 <GodTodd> actually....i landed the ship and lost a game by 3 points :/
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> conquer the world is defined as "destroying all other civilizations"
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> really?
07:41 <GodTodd> yep
07:42 <GodTodd> mom beat me
07:42 <GodTodd> 238 to 235
07:42 <luke-jr_> or you can go for top score by $endyear
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the iwnner is the person with the most points, the game ends when one of the two conditions I've given is reached
07:42 <GodTodd> better :)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't been playing for points, I like playing for objectives :)
07:42 <luke-jr_> endyear can also end the game
07:42 <spidey> points are useless if your civ gets whiped out
07:42 <GodTodd> me too...that's why i lost that game...or else i would have pumped up the population
07:42 <spidey> so i like to balance mine
07:43 <luke-jr_> you have no points if your civ gets wiped out =p
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I finally learned how to properly defend a city, at least
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> and it makes sense when you think about it. Fortified infantry gives the highest defense rating, and artillery on auto-attack supports the infantry nicely
07:43 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: have you even played it yet?
07:43 <spidey> [01:44] <spidey> points are useless if your civ gets whiped out
07:43 <DrJoeTron> i've almost started :p
07:43 <DrJoeTron> i will soon
07:44 <spidey> stop rewording me,trying to make me sound wrong -_-
07:44 <DrJoeTron> ive been busy
07:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: points are never useless-- lack of them is
07:44 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: think DrJoeTron can get Svn access? =p
07:44 <spidey> if you're dead are are the useful?
07:44 <GodTodd> actually....points are always useless...they don't put bread on MY table :P
07:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: sure, but you don't have any
07:45 <DrJoeTron> buh?
07:45 <luke-jr_> points are yummy
07:45 <luke-jr_> they taste good
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> no, but factories rule
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the person who wins any campaign is the one who arrives there the firstest with the mostest
07:45 <GodTodd> not as much as hydro and mfg plants ;)
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07:46 <Lucifer_arma> the hydro and mfg plants can't be built without factories :)
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> factories are the gateway to global domination!
07:46 <GodTodd> true...but they are better :)
07:46 <GodTodd> that they are
07:46 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: think DrJoeTron can get Svn access? =p
07:46 <DrJoeTron> ???
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> why? what's he going to do?
07:46 <DrJoeTron> i dont understand
07:46 <DrJoeTron> whats going on
07:46 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: work on Arma Civs
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> only if you want it to wind up looking like Megaman
07:47 <luke-jr_> lol
07:47 <GodTodd> haha
07:47 <DrJoeTron> give me time luc
07:47 <DrJoeTron> give me time
07:47 <DrJoeTron> hmm...
07:47 <DrJoeTron> actually
07:47 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: well, AFAIK nobody else wants to help out
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the rest of us are happy with what we got?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the rest of us don't want to get involved in yet another game project? heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I can just see it now. "Official Release: Armagetron Advanced developers have taken over the FreeCiv project!"
07:48 <spidey> ok
07:48 <spidey> ready when you are
07:48 <luke-jr_> heh
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> wait, who wants to play?
07:49 <GodTodd> i might if i have a couple minutes to get me a drink
07:49 <GodTodd> goddamn summer
07:49 <GodTodd> heh
07:49 <luke-jr_> in a few months you'll be complaining about winter
07:49 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@p57A1BF99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
07:50 <spidey> deja_vu_
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you got time if we're going to play, I need to move back inside anyway before my battery dies
07:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: you don't have wireless power yet?
07:50 * DrJoeTron is finally labelling his mp3's
07:50 <spidey> heh
07:50 <spidey> i got llike 400
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, but there's an outlet behind me, I just didn't bring out the adapter
07:50 <luke-jr_> I have a few thousand.... >.>
07:50 <DrJoeTron> i have like 11 left
07:50 <spidey> i just threw them in te player and looked for the ones i knew i liked
07:51 <DrJoeTron> just loaded in Traffic :D
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> Real Men measure their mp3's in GigaBytes
07:51 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: actually the winters in NTX aren't bad....got used to NE :P
07:51 <spidey> then moved them to the top
07:51 <DrJoeTron> John Barleycorn Must Die.
07:51 <spidey> i got 2+gb
07:51 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: too much that I had to expand to an external HD? =p
07:51 <DrJoeTron> one of my favorite albums :D
07:51 <spidey> good enough for ya??
07:51 <DrJoeTron> 15.8 here :D
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> 13GB here
07:51 <spidey> shush
07:51 <spidey> i have more movies than you all
07:51 <spidey> my movies span 2 harddrives
07:51 <luke-jr_> I doubt it
07:51 <spidey> ;x
07:51 <luke-jr_> my movies fill numerous DVDs
07:51 <DrJoeTron> shit
07:51 <spidey> i got 50 on my 40gig drive
07:51 <DrJoeTron> did i say 15?
07:51 <luke-jr_> only 50?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've got better things to do with my time than watch another shitty movie
07:51 <spidey> and 93 on this 111gig
07:52 <spidey> so i got over 130
07:52 <luke-jr_> movie count is lame
07:52 <luke-jr_> do it in hours
07:52 <DrJoeTron> i have about 34 gigs of music
07:52 <spidey> fuck that
07:52 <spidey> you do it in hourse
07:52 <spidey> hours
07:52 <luke-jr_> =p
07:52 <luke-jr_> I'll easily win in hours
07:52 <DrJoeTron> 15.7 days worth of music :d
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you want to count "all music", I've probably got you all beat
07:52 <luke-jr_> cuz then I can add all my anime and X-Files
07:52 <spidey> lol
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> but that's only because of uncompressed recorded guitar tracks
07:52 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: count hours =p
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> no! heh
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> because 1 hour is about 600MB :)
07:53 <spidey> all my movies are 1hr 30 minutes plus
07:53 <luke-jr_> I have too much video to list
07:53 <spidey> #g 1h30min * 143
07:53 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> and that's for the final stream, at 1/2 of my record done I was occupying 30 GB in recorded tracks
07:53 <spidey> !!
07:53 <luke-jr_> I don't remember half of it, I'm sure
07:53 <spidey> #g 1:30*143
07:53 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
07:53 <luke-jr_> let's see...
07:54 <spidey> ...
07:54 <luke-jr_> first anime was Bishoujosenshi Sailormoon
07:54 <luke-jr_> then Kaitou Saint Tail
07:54 <spidey> i have over 200hours of movies :p
07:54 <luke-jr_> then Card Captor Sakura
07:54 <spidey> sailormoon!?
07:54 <spidey> fag
07:54 <luke-jr_> actually, CCS was before KST
07:54 <DrJoeTron> card captors?
07:54 <DrJoeTron> weeeak
07:54 <luke-jr_> no
07:54 <luke-jr_> Card Captor Sakura
07:54 <luke-jr_> not the lame copyoff
07:54 <luke-jr_> I forget what was after KST
07:54 <DrJoeTron> for anime, i have outlaw star and FMA on this machine
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> so who wants to play some freeciv right now? There's me, spidey, and godtodd, and with that collection I'd like to have 3 ais
07:55 <spidey> do i get to count my dragonball z dvd's i've had forever???
07:55 <luke-jr_> Inuyasha had a few hundred episodes, plenty of hours there
07:55 <DrJoeTron> ewwww
07:55 <luke-jr_> Magic Knight Rayearth
07:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma me
07:55 <DrJoeTron> inuyasha = DBZ for girls :p
07:55 <luke-jr_> spidey: sure, that might make you compete with me
07:55 <luke-jr_> hm, what else
07:55 <luke-jr_> ReBoot
07:55 <DrJoeTron> HAHAHA
07:55 <DrJoeTron> oh god
07:55 <luke-jr_> Noir
07:55 <spidey> do i get to count my VHS's to??
07:55 <DrJoeTron> welcome back to 1997 :p
07:55 <spidey> i got a shitload of them
07:55 <luke-jr_> Bubblegum Crisis
07:56 <DrJoeTron> bubblegum crisis eh...
07:56 <luke-jr_> all the Planet of the Apes movies
07:56 <DrJoeTron> you fan of big o?
07:56 <luke-jr_> some Red Vs Blue
07:56 <luke-jr_> never heard of it
07:56 <luke-jr_> Rockman.EXE
07:56 <luke-jr_> X-Files
07:56 <luke-jr_> 3x X-Men
07:56 <DrJoeTron> Venture bros half of season 2 so far
07:56 <luke-jr_> Aa! Megami-sama original, movie, and recent
07:56 <luke-jr_> Ranma 1/2
07:57 <luke-jr_> 2001 & 2010
07:57 <spidey> we playing? :p
07:57 <luke-jr_> Help!, City of Angels, Conspiracy Theory
07:57 <luke-jr_> Short Circuit 1 & 2
07:57 <luke-jr_> a few Ernest
07:57 <DrJoeTron> Bwahahaha!
07:57 <DrJoeTron> oh god short circuit
07:57 <luke-jr_> Star Wars x6
07:57 <luke-jr_> TRON
07:57 <spidey> luke-jr_ you counting this from your harddrives?
07:58 <spidey> or DVD's
07:58 <spidey> because DVD's don't count
07:58 <luke-jr_> HDs so far
07:58 <luke-jr_> sure they do, I'll get to em eventually
07:58 <luke-jr_> Whisper of the Heart, Tsubasa Chronicle
07:58 <spidey> psh
07:58 <luke-jr_> Figure 17
07:58 <spidey> i've got 60+ dvd's at my mom's
07:58 <luke-jr_> Hunt for Red October
07:58 <spidey> i bought one a day for 2 months when i was on the truck with my uncle
07:58 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ is why it costs 8 bucks for a movie ticket :D
07:58 <spidey> $10 a dvd is cheap at a truck stop
07:58 <luke-jr_> Narnia x4 (original, not Disney crap)
07:59 <DrJoeTron> hey you take that back!
07:59 <spidey> ahah
07:59 <luke-jr_> Radio, Sphere, Super Mario Bros
07:59 <luke-jr_> Sealab, Sonic X
07:59 <luke-jr_> The Time Machine
07:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma server up?
07:59 <DrJoeTron> its Liam fucking Neeson!
07:59 <GodTodd> wow...i have 44.9 GB of music heh
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, we only have 3 players so far, and I suggested 3 ais to match
08:00 <luke-jr_> The Lone Gunmen
08:00 <luke-jr_> Hangar 18
08:00 <spidey> 3???
08:00 <spidey> you're crazy
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> not sure I want to play with only 3 players, I've got a nice invasion building :)
08:00 <spidey> last time we had 3 they owned us big time
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 2 then
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> but we increase the land mass and hit the "1 player per island" button so we have time to expand
08:01 <luke-jr_> Office Space
08:01 <luke-jr_> Patch Adams
08:01 <spidey> invasion building??
08:01 <luke-jr_> School of Rock
08:01 <spidey> we're not starting a new game?
08:01 <luke-jr_> ok, I'm done listing for now
08:02 <spidey> wow
08:02 <luke-jr_> wtf is a genuine replica, btw?
08:02 <spidey> my stereo is on 23
08:02 <spidey> and my speakers half way up
08:02 <spidey> and it's just loud enough to hear
08:02 <spidey> i think i broke the adapter i made
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm playing a local game right now and enjoying it
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to whip this ai's ass if we don't start a game with human players :)
08:02 <spidey> deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_
08:03 <spidey> me you luke and todd
08:03 <spidey> that's 4
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes is out getting drunk and luke said he's building KDE 4
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> so he can't play, apparently
08:03 <spidey> bah
08:03 <spidey> reminds me
08:03 <luke-jr_> KDE 4 wants unreleased Dbus and Qt
08:03 <luke-jr_> so it's on hold again
08:03 <spidey> well nah, i'll let it set in there a year to -_-
08:04 <luke-jr_> I need to get to bed soon tho
08:04 <spidey> psh
08:04 <spidey> i only got like 6 hours sleep after a 16 hour game
08:04 <spidey> you'll live
08:04 <spidey> :p
08:04 <luke-jr_> that and I'm starting to prefer local games
08:05 <spidey> -_-
08:05 <luke-jr_> cuz I don't need to wait for certain people to finish their turn
08:05 <spidey> well if there was timelimit we wouldn't have to worry about that would we
08:05 <luke-jr_> and there's little benefit to multiplayer when the humans act like AIs and declare wars on everyone
08:05 <luke-jr_> yes we would
08:05 <spidey> nah
08:06 <luke-jr_> there are times where I just hit Shift-Enter repeatedly
08:06 <spidey> besides i have that option enabled and it works nicely
08:06 <spidey> so Lucifer_arma is the only one we'll wait on
08:06 <luke-jr_> I say make it a RTS
08:06 <luke-jr_> =p
08:06 <spidey> ...
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> it used to be RTS
08:07 <luke-jr_> it's still an option, I think
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, yes, but I like to take time to think about what I'm doing, and RTS means "twitch-strategy", a combination I don't enjoy
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not the one you guys usually wait on anyway, it's the guy who forgets to hit turn done
08:08 <luke-jr_> I like to plan my moves 10 turns in advance, so often I'm done within a minute
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, since I started using CMA and auto settler together, I'm not spending a lot of time making moves unless I'm preparing something big
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, often you don't know what you're going to be doing in 10 turns. :)
08:08 <luke-jr_> I have an idea
08:09 <GodTodd> not if you get attacked :P
08:09 <spidey> ...
08:09 <spidey> are we gonna play?
08:09 <spidey> because i'ma watch a movie if not
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, yes, but I was hoping for another player at least
08:10 <spidey> TiTnAsS guru3
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't mind doing 4 humans and two ais, that at least gives the humans who want to war something to war with that's not human
08:11 <spidey> i won't be waring anyone unless they start taking my land
08:11 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: that's part of why I don't like war
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, those two little campaigns I ran last game were a lot of fun :)
08:12 <luke-jr_> I'd be interested in a game where we all have common land =p
08:12 <luke-jr_> eg, cities mixed together
08:12 <spidey> no
08:12 <GodTodd> that leads to war...
08:12 <spidey> yes
08:12 <spidey> cause the first time someone takes a spot i was working to get,i'm taking that city and all the others i can :p
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> also, the only alliance you can trust is one against a common enemy
08:13 <spidey> true
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> once the common enemy is gone, I mean, well, if I want to win the space race, the best way to do it is to cripple the other player's industrial capacity
08:13 <GodTodd> and only so long as they exist ;)
08:13 <spidey> i'd trust one with luke-jr_, because he doesn't prepare for war
08:13 <spidey> :p
08:14 <luke-jr_> =p
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, alliances work nicely when one person builds technology while the other one wars
08:14 <spidey> ya
08:14 <luke-jr_> do they?
08:14 <spidey> i want to get back to 485pts/turn againt
08:14 <luke-jr_> then when the war guy is done, he turns on his friend and easily wins
08:14 <spidey> that was awesome
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> but then when the warring is over and it's just those two standing, there has to be a betrayal, because the one who's prepared for war isn't ready for the space race
08:15 <spidey> unlesss there's 2 winners
08:15 <spidey> :)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it's possible the two could let it get settled in points at that point, because the warrior group got quite a few points
08:15 <spidey> which with a trusted person i'd be ready to do
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to ignore how the computer awards the winner. We can agree who the winner is, and that there are multiple winners, and we can play without having to have a winner, even.
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> another variation I'm interested in is one with heavy barbarians starting around 0 or 500AD
08:16 <spidey> eh
08:16 <luke-jr_> ever play SimCity Network Edition?
08:16 <luke-jr_> that was kinda fun
08:16 <arctanx> ahah that was crazy
08:16 <spidey> so i'll be fighting off AI's and barbarians?
08:16 <arctanx> more like "I build my city over here, you build your city over there, and don't spend too much money"
08:16 <GodTodd> psh...spidey thinks i can't build productive cities with my strategies.....20/20/8/20/5/14/16 :P
08:17 <spidey> that's all??
08:17 <spidey> i had one at 47
08:17 <spidey> two at 30+
08:17 <GodTodd> one
08:17 <spidey> ask luci
08:17 <spidey> for 14 cities i had i high production
08:17 <GodTodd> thing is...i haven't really got started yet ;)
08:17 <luke-jr_> one of the 30+ was the 47 =p
08:17 <spidey> no
08:18 <spidey> i had one in africa
08:18 <spidey> and one in aussie
08:18 <spidey> then i had darwin
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> the one in africa that I took for you? ;)
08:18 <spidey> which darwin was the 47
08:18 <spidey> ya
08:18 <spidey> :D
08:18 <spidey> but like i said,the whole time i was preparing for you to betray me
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> he had depth of production, I had breadth. I was putting out somewhere's around 10 cruise missiles each turn :)
08:18 <spidey> so i got one hell of a defense
08:19 <spidey> i had sdi's sam batterys coatal defense city walls
08:19 <spidey> 4 units per city
08:19 <spidey> mix of defense and auto attack
08:19 <spidey> tons of missile to sink your ships
08:19 <spidey> nukes
08:19 <spidey> tons of bombers and fighters
08:20 <spidey> nukes wouldn't effect me what-so-ever and missiles would be hard to kill me with
08:20 <spidey> specially if i was sinking your blockade :p
08:20 <spidey> and with my productioin rate i spitting out bombers every 5 turns and fighters and missiles every 2 turns
08:21 <luke-jr_> Darwin is lame
08:21 <spidey> darwin was my best city
08:21 <luke-jr_> no I mean the guy
08:21 <spidey> those 2 oilfeilds owned
08:21 <spidey> i only had 1ton pollution to ;d
08:21 <GodTodd> here we go again....
08:21 <GodTodd> :/
08:21 <luke-jr_> lol
08:21 <spidey> lol
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing you had that the AMericans didn't have was bombers and nukes, otherwise I'd just finished off with someone better prepared than you were
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's not here or there
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> who's playing and what kind of game do you want to play?
08:22 <spidey> Lucifer_arma you sure??
08:22 <luke-jr_> his only major accomplishment was to brainwash the world that atheism had the slightest chance of truth
08:22 <spidey> they had riflemen out the ass
08:22 <spidey> i had MI armor and howitzer out the ass
08:22 <GodTodd> something without a jesus freak theme
08:22 <GodTodd> heh
08:22 <spidey> plus
08:22 <spidey> i had triple defense against all air units
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it would be interesting to play the europe map with at least one AI and heavy barbarians that start really late, like 600AD or something like that
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> if I thought playing the japan map would get luke involved I'd suggest it
08:23 <spidey> 4 players so two ai's ? :p
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> in that case we'd have to go with heavy barbarians starting at 4000BC because that would be more realistic for Japan
08:23 <spidey> lol
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> and have it last all the way to 1945
08:24 <luke-jr_> =p
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, 1 ai if we have 3 players, 2 ais if we have 4 players
08:24 <luke-jr_> at least in modern times, Japan is way more advanced than America
08:24 <spidey> ya
08:25 <luke-jr_> in some areas, anyway
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> depends entirely on how you take your measurements
08:25 <spidey> china will own us all
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> Japan is the country that in 2005 kicked their princess out of the aristocracy for marrying a "commoner". You call that advanced?
08:25 <luke-jr_> technologically, certainly
08:25 <luke-jr_> that sounds sane
08:26 <luke-jr_> not as a punishment, of course
08:26 <spidey> shit
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, of course not, but because aristocracy and commoner don't mix, and there was a lot of controversy over her doing it in the first place
08:26 <spidey> my media player crashed
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> it was a big step for women's rights that she did it! This is progress?
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> No, that's bullshit, I say.
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> Sexism = barbaric
08:26 <luke-jr_> she's a woman
08:26 <DrJoeTron> women are not equal to men
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're just a superstitious barbarian anyway, heh
08:27 <spidey> DrJoeTron are not equal to humans
08:27 <spidey> throw him outback with the lions
08:27 <DrJoeTron> women dont have to sign up for selective service
08:27 <DrJoeTron> bt men do
08:27 <luke-jr_> they do now
08:27 <luke-jr_> actually
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> women aren't equal with each other, and men aren't equal with each other, it's silly to try to use equality in this way
08:27 <DrJoeTron> show me luke
08:27 <DrJoeTron> where are you getting this
08:27 <luke-jr_> women don't have the same roles as men do
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is that sexist men who are afraid of their small penises don't want women in combat positions
08:28 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: I'd link you if my browser worked
08:28 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: I don't recall if it's passed yet, but if not it probably will
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> those same men are the homophobes that tried to keep gays from fighting for their country
08:28 <DrJoeTron> im sure its a just a bill
08:28 <DrJoeTron> heres the deal
08:28 <luke-jr_> the problem is women who want to be men
08:28 <DrJoeTron> the only way to create equality
08:28 <DrJoeTron> unisex bathrooms!
08:29 <cusco> hohoho
08:29 <luke-jr_> gays need to be punished for their crimes
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> "superstitious barbarian", remember that :)
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> he worships japan, for crying out loud
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, are we playing a freeciv game or what?
08:30 * Lucifer_arma goes to edit his config file so there's a barbarian named Luke-Jr
08:31 <luke-jr_> maybe hang them
08:32 <spidey> cowboys hanged people
08:33 <spidey> infact
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> string 'em up by their scrotums!
08:33 <spidey> back then luke-jr_ would be shot
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> just stick a big weight on their backs and make them walk across china
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> because the Japanese FUCKING RULE!!!!
08:34 <spidey> lol
08:34 <luke-jr_> at least they're not stupid enough to try to have their kids sleep in another room
08:34 <spidey> haven't the japanese lost every major war?
08:34 <spidey> not to mention got a few atom bombs dropped on them
08:35 <GodTodd> maybe they were gay?
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <spidey> haha
08:35 <spidey> more interested in playing with each other than fighting? :p
08:35 <spidey> maybe that's why luke-jr_ doesn't like war
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> I don't say America's Great, by the way.
08:36 <GodTodd> nah...then it was God's Will (TM)
08:36 <GodTodd> ;)
08:36 <spidey> Lucifer_arma of course not, it sucks
08:36 <spidey> but i'm stuck here till i'm 18
08:36 <luke-jr_> so why are you defending it? =p
08:36 <spidey> i'm not?
08:36 <luke-jr_> spidey: longer than that =p
08:36 <spidey> i'm making fun of you
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not, I'm attacking japanese culture and your generally barbaric attitude
08:36 <luke-jr_> spidey: at 18 you'll suddenly have enough $ to fly elsewhere and live?
08:36 <spidey> if i start working at 17
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> rather, I'm attacking the culture in america that worships japanese culture for no known reason
08:36 <spidey> which i plan to do
08:37 <spidey> wait
08:37 <spidey> luke-jr_ worships japanese but is christian??
08:37 <luke-jr_> No, Luci made that up
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I tend to attack the little subcultures in america that try to massage their guilty consciences by worshipping some culture they thing is better than ours
08:38 <luke-jr_> Japanese culture has plenty of flaws, some even bigger than America's
08:38 <spidey> i worship places pot is legal
08:38 <luke-jr_> but in general, it's better than the US
08:38 <spidey> damned americans wanting to tax everything -_-
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't believe it's in any way useful or meaningful to try to do a greater/lesser comparison with cultures
08:40 <GodTodd> so...the basis of a culture being better than the US is women are 'in their place'?
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I do believe that that comparison is the basis for many of the wars that have gone in history
08:40 <spidey> wait
08:40 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: nah, that's not even the case in Japan usually
08:40 <spidey> luke-jr_ who said i'll have to fly?
08:40 <spidey> when i get my license i'll have a car, that's garunteed
08:40 <luke-jr_> spidey: Mexico and Canada aren't much better
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's at the heart of nazi culture, which came from America. The Americans had it to conquer the natives, they brought it from England.
08:41 <spidey> hmm
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> When Queen Elizabeth said she wanted a "strong England", she wasn't trying to make white people superior to all, she was trying to break spanish domination
08:42 <spidey> maybe we should play a world map, with only aztac and inca and, and england and spain
08:42 <spidey> :p
08:42 <spidey> france to
08:42 <GodTodd> i wonder if they've got an updated Colonization.......
08:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, or maybe she was retaliating against luke-jr_
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> so is it just the three of us then playing a generated map?
08:45 <spidey> with 2 AI's
08:45 <GodTodd> if i'm not too much of a sinner
08:45 <GodTodd> haha
08:46 <spidey> of course we gotta war luke-jr_
08:46 <spidey> destroy him
08:46 <spidey> then the AI's
08:46 <spidey> that's just the way it works
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> 2 or 1 ai? I'll be happy with 1 ai if there's only three of us, the barbarians count as half an ai :)
08:46 <GodTodd> it's in the manual isn't it?
08:46 <spidey> of course
08:47 <GodTodd> 1 should be plenty
08:47 <spidey> right above "kill GodTodd"
08:47 <GodTodd> i would think
08:47 <GodTodd> go for it, baby :P
08:47 <spidey> ;D
08:47 <GodTodd> spideys skoosh nicely, you know ;)
08:47 <spidey> lol
08:48 <spidey> i'm gonna defend my cities then go for tech's
08:48 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
08:48 <armabot> spidey: [07:38:51] <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/
08:49 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.d
08:49 <armabot> spidey: [07:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> heh, this is a really nice setup I've got
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, let me start the server
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've got to save off this game, it's a really nice setup :)
08:49 <spidey> in civ2 i always owned :/
08:49 <GodTodd> me too
08:49 <spidey> sid meirers civ2
08:49 <GodTodd> over 3000 points usually
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, started
08:50 <spidey> i just destroyed everyone
08:50 <spidey> lol
08:50 <GodTodd> just a sec
08:50 <GodTodd> i left one city and landed the ship :P
08:50 <GodTodd> brb
08:51 <spidey> luke-jr_ you playing?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> ...
08:57 <luke-jr_> no
09:20 <guru3> i think i just got volunteered for yardwork today
09:22 <luke-jr_> o.O
09:36 <DrJoeTron> how do you display peoples user names
09:36 <DrJoeTron> or are you just typing them out
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09:38 <luke-jr_> wtf?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> hmm
09:40 <DrJoeTron> Spi
09:40 <DrJoeTron> dey
09:40 <DrJoeTron> smells
09:42 <DrJoeTron> alright, im off
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11:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: map-preview isn't working
11:08 <wrtlprnft> on your server, that is
11:08 <wrtlprnft> /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i686-linux/RMagick.so: libMagick.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i686-linux/RMagick.so (LoadError) from /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/RMagick.rb:11 from /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rvg/rvg.rb:31 from /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/../lib/map_preview/renderer.rb:7
11:08 <wrtlprnft> from /var/ww/armagetron/tools/map-previrew/bin/../lib/map_preview.rb:5 from /var/www/armagetron/tools/map-preview/bin/map-preview:9
11:12 -!- j0hann3s is now known as wejp
11:39 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * resources/ed/fortress/ (21 files): Resources by ed
11:57 -!- Nixda863 [n=acd02b1b@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
11:57 <Nixda863> Ist sylv da?
11:57 <Nixda863> has anybody the email or icq-number of sylv?
12:08 -!- Nixda863 [n=acd02b1b@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"]
12:40 <deja_vu_> spidey:
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13:03 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6092 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Ruby 1.8.5 is now bundled with the application. The load path is setup manually. It still does not quite work (need to install_name_tool -change the bundled SWIG generated modules)
13:16 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6093 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Undoing last change.
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13:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ultrasparc 333 mhz > amd64 2ghz ??????
13:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is tht possible?
13:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
13:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> never mind...
13:48 <wrtlprnft> the ultrasparc might have a bigger case size ;)
13:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no... the case of my ultras is smaller than the one of my amd
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14:05 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6094 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Only display the latest version of resource (determined by last modification time)
14:06 <wrtlprnft> #ping
14:06 <armabot> pong
14:06 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
14:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
14:06 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
14:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '', Performs action of type: '', On channel: , Details:
14:06 <wrtlprnft> umm
14:06 <wrtlprnft> #help addhandler
14:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
14:07 <wrtlprnft> #help #armagetron aabetaupdate www-aabata cmd "nohup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
14:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "#armagetron aabetaupdate wwwaabata cmd nohupsshwrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net&".
14:07 <wrtlprnft> ##armagetron aabetaupdate www-aabata cmd "nohup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
14:07 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler armagetron aabetaupdate www-aabata cmd "nohup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
14:08 <wrtlprnft> #addhandler #armagetron aabetaupdate www-aabata cmd "nohup ssh wrtlprnft@beta.armagetronad.net &"
14:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:08 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
14:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
14:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6095 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Maybe show the most recent file, not the oldest one? ;)
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> fuck, game crashed
14:21 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6096 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php: Still doesn't work...
14:22 <wrtlprnft> now it works :)
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15:14 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
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15:29 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
16:09 <spidey> :D
16:19 <spidey> hmm
16:19 <spidey> i think i like this better than the raido
16:19 <spidey> radio
16:30 <mkzelda> did u get that new ashlee simpson?
16:30 <mkzelda> i know you were anticipating it
16:30 <mkzelda> lined up monday night
16:30 <mkzelda> outside the store
16:30 <mkzelda> waiting for tuesday to come
16:31 <spidey> how'd you know?
16:32 <spidey> [10:33] 68.112.91.195 is United States (City: Newark, New Jersey)
16:32 <spidey> somehow i think that's wrong
16:33 <spidey> i'm in tenessee,n0t new jersey
16:52 -!- [dlh] [n=[dlh]@70.88.244.226] has joined #armagetron
16:52 <spidey> luke-jr_
17:00 <spidey> Forbidden
17:00 <spidey> You don't have permission to access /armagetron/bin/nohup1.out on this server.
17:00 <spidey> o.o
17:05 <spidey> who's Pandemonium ??
17:06 * spidey is reading server logs,and he's a asshole so i'm thinking about banning him
17:16 <spidey> o.o
17:16 <spidey> i'ma have to change the admin pass
17:17 <spidey> i have 4 admins, and 6 different logins o.o
17:20 <wrtlprnft> :s
17:20 <wrtlprnft> I only changed anything when you were there :P
17:22 <wrtlprnft> Pandemonium doesn't seem to be an asshole on my server... at least he didn't say anything offending
17:24 <spidey> oh,i forgot about you
17:24 <spidey> what's your ip?
17:25 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has left #armagetron ["see my ip?"]
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--- Log opened Sun Aug 20 17:25:23 2006
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17:25 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
17:25 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 0 secs
17:25 <spidey> [11:26] * wrtlprnft has left #armagetron ("see my ip?")
17:25 <spidey> lol
17:25 <wrtlprnft> bah
17:25 <wrtlprnft> IRSSI shows it
17:25 <wrtlprnft> 17:25 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240]
17:25 <spidey> hmm
17:26 <spidey> awx
17:26 <spidey> sec
17:26 <spidey> not you
17:27 <spidey> you only logged in on the dogfight server
17:27 <spidey> i think
17:27 <spidey> only read half the logs
17:27 <spidey> 2.76mb -_-
17:27 * wrtlprnft isn't on static IP
17:30 <spidey> does it stay in the 85 range?
17:30 <wrtlprnft> usually
17:30 <spidey> it doesn't goto 72.xxxx does it?
17:30 <wrtlprnft> dunno
17:30 <spidey> hmm
17:30 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about it :P
17:31 <spidey> lol
17:32 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft.ath.cx always points to it, so why should i care?
17:33 * spidey doesn't vare about his either
17:35 * spidey is watching eurotrip
18:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6097 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac: Don't check for libxml if only the master server should be built.
18:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6098 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am: Don't include the resource manager for a master-only built.
18:22 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6099 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetwork.cpp: Changed ping averager weight calculation to avoid expensive exp() call.
18:22 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6100 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/thirdparty/Makefile.am: Fixed leaving out particle system on master-only builds.
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18:36 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6101 /private/z-man/: Woo, finally something to put here.
18:37 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6102 /private/z-man/exotic_architectures/:
18:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6103 /private/z-man/exotic_architectures/armagetronad_build_danisahne_fritzbox/: added danisahne build files
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19:39 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
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20:12 <luke-jr_> spidey: ...
20:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: wtf? ssh needs to be to armagetronad user
20:28 <spidey> luke-jr_ you'll be mad
20:28 <spidey> :)
20:29 <spidey> luke-jr_ Lucifer_arma GodTodd and me played a human-war-free game all the way through :)
20:29 <luke-jr_> ...
20:30 <spidey> you always want a war free game :p
20:31 <spidey> me luci and todd played one
20:39 <luke-jr_> lies
20:39 <luke-jr_> you had barbarians
20:39 <spidey> so
20:39 <spidey> i mean war against each other
20:40 <spidey> the AI invaded me,then i pinned him down there long enough for luci to come save me :D
20:40 <luke-jr_> AI and barbarians are still war
20:40 <spidey> not a war against each other
20:40 <spidey> besides it was a fun game
20:42 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188123.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
20:45 <spidey> ewwww
20:47 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
20:47 <DrJoeTron> i really need to delete DrWatson
20:47 <spidey> ewww
20:47 <DrJoeTron> oh man
20:47 <spidey> i haven't used that thing since 1998
20:47 <luke-jr_> ...
20:47 <DrJoeTron> its always in there
20:48 <DrJoeTron> i never did either
20:48 <DrJoeTron> but it keeps fucking up
20:48 <DrJoeTron> so i need to delete it
20:48 <DrJoeTron> but holy crap
20:48 <spidey> then delete it :p
20:48 <DrJoeTron> Mike Nelson is back :D
20:48 <DrJoeTron> the head writter for MST3k
20:50 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
20:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
20:50 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20:51 <spidey> luke-jr_ Vanhayes wanna play freeciv?? :D
20:51 <Vanhayes> ugh
20:51 <Vanhayes> in a few minutes maybe
20:52 <Vanhayes> not running at full capacity
20:52 <Vanhayes> if that makes sense
20:52 <spidey> hangover?
20:52 <spidey> lol
20:53 <Vanhayes> mostly tired, they hangover is pretty much gone
20:53 <Vanhayes> the*
20:53 <spidey> i haven't had a hangover yet
20:54 <spidey> then again i don't drink that much -_-
20:54 <Vanhayes> you havent been doing it right then heh
20:54 <spidey> doing it right?
20:54 <spidey> you drink it....
20:54 <DrJoeTron> van is right
20:54 <DrJoeTron> you're doing it wrong!
20:54 <Vanhayes> if your not hung over you did it wrong
20:54 <spidey> on my birthday i drank a 12pack and a half ,didn't have a hangover :p
20:55 <DrJoeTron> thats beer
20:55 <Vanhayes> thats only 18 beer though
20:55 <spidey> ya a case
20:55 <Vanhayes> 30 give me a hangover
20:55 <DrJoeTron> its the hard liquor
20:55 <spidey> :o
20:55 <Vanhayes> yes
20:55 <Vanhayes> o yes
20:55 <DrJoeTron> come on spidey, arent you in kentucker?
20:55 <DrJoeTron> wheres the white lightning
20:55 <spidey> tenessee bish
20:55 <DrJoeTron> even better
20:55 <spidey> you should know
20:56 <spidey> my number's on your caller id
20:56 <spidey> :D
20:56 <DrJoeTron> haha
20:56 <DrJoeTron> freak :D
20:56 * spidey calls joe
20:56 <Vanhayes> plus that stuff you call beer is puss
20:56 <Vanhayes> only like 4%
20:56 <spidey> you ever drank moonshine?
20:57 <Vanhayes> yes
20:57 <spidey> ;x
20:57 <Vanhayes> but that isnt beer
20:57 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-227-105.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
20:57 <spidey> i know...
20:57 <spidey> when i buy it i buy liquor
20:57 <spidey> but when it's free i don't bitch
20:57 <spidey> ;)
20:57 <Vanhayes> I usually get both
20:58 <spidey> mix light and dark liquor
20:58 <spidey> :D
20:58 <Vanhayes> or at least a clot and hard liquor
20:58 <Vanhayes> colt*
20:58 <spidey> colt??
20:58 <spidey> psh
20:58 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-227-105.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:58 <luke-jr_> (913) 674-4395
20:58 <spidey> ?
20:58 <Vanhayes> its 5 bucks and is about 2 litres of at least 8%
20:58 <spidey> who's number is that
20:59 <Vanhayes> call and find out
20:59 <spidey> sec
20:59 <spidey> wait
20:59 * DrJoeTron grabs the cell phone
20:59 <spidey> luke-jr_ who is it so i know who to ask for? :p
20:59 <Vanhayes> ask for luke
20:59 <spidey> lol
20:59 <spidey> ok sec
20:59 <spidey> ring ring
20:59 <spidey> :D
21:00 <spidey> noone answering
21:00 <spidey> wait nvm
21:00 <spidey> luke is that your girlfriend?? she sounds hot :p
21:00 <luke-jr_> that's my wife
21:00 <DrJoeTron> maybe its her gramma! :D
21:00 <DrJoeTron> oh...wife
21:01 <spidey> haha
21:01 <spidey> did she hang up on me?
21:01 <spidey> lol
21:01 <luke-jr_> no
21:01 <spidey> O.o
21:01 <luke-jr_> I said hello like 5 times
21:01 <luke-jr_> u didn't talk back
21:01 <spidey> can't hear you
21:01 <luke-jr_> so I threw the phone to my daughter
21:01 <spidey> O.O
21:01 <Vanhayes> lol
21:02 <spidey> wtf
21:02 <luke-jr_> she wants to eat it
21:02 <spidey> my phone's broke now
21:02 <luke-jr_> lol
21:02 <spidey> lemme get the other one,brb
21:03 <spidey> alright,lets try this one -_-
21:03 <spidey> pssh
21:03 <spidey> buttons aren't working right -_-
21:03 <spidey> ring ring
21:04 <spidey> awe luke sounds hawt ;D
21:04 <spidey> luke can i steal your wife? :p
21:05 <spidey> you gave me the number now talk :p
21:06 <spidey> haha luke's rude :p
21:06 <luke-jr_> u
21:06 <spidey> you
21:06 <spidey> !
21:08 * spidey plots to call joe next
21:08 <luke-jr_> let's conference it
21:08 <spidey> hmm
21:08 <spidey> skype?
21:08 <luke-jr_> no
21:08 <spidey> i don't have it :p
21:08 <luke-jr_> skype sucks
21:08 <spidey> lol
21:09 <spidey> teamspeak? :p
21:09 <DrJoeTron> yea lets not call me
21:09 <spidey> beep
21:09 <spidey> haha
21:09 <spidey> you ung yp :p
21:10 <spidey> ok
21:10 <spidey> that was my mom
21:11 <DrJoeTron> my ts server hasnt gotten much play
21:11 <DrJoeTron> lately anyways
21:11 <spidey> mine either
21:11 <spidey> well
21:11 <DrJoeTron> like past week
21:11 <spidey> my server is 100+ miles away
21:11 <spidey> my mom broke hers so i had to give her one of mine till i fix hers
21:11 <spidey> so i gave her the server
21:11 <spidey> it sucks,lol
21:12 <spidey> well
21:12 <spidey> doesn't really suck,but this one is better ;x
21:12 <Vanhayes> http://armagetronad.net/ what happened to the main page?
21:12 <DrJoeTron> time to watch metalocolypse!
21:13 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
21:13 <DrJoeTron> such an awesome show
21:14 <hang3r> Vanhayes: try www.armagetronad.net not armagetronad.net ;)
21:14 <luke-jr_> call back
21:14 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: call me
21:14 <spidey> can't
21:14 <spidey> phone's in use
21:14 <luke-jr_> ,,,
21:14 <spidey> mom called
21:14 <luke-jr_> but
21:14 <Vanhayes> hmm that was a bookmarked page though
21:14 <spidey> that's why i said, "hold on i got a beep"
21:14 <Vanhayes> must have changed it recently
21:15 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: call me
21:15 <Vanhayes> no thats long distance
21:15 <luke-jr_> bla
21:15 <luke-jr_> use an IP phone =p
21:15 <luke-jr_> sip:guest@sip.voip.dashjr.org
21:15 <Vanhayes> buy me one
21:15 <Vanhayes> or a mic
21:15 <luke-jr_> download one
21:15 <luke-jr_> =p
21:15 <spidey> haha
21:16 <spidey> wait
21:16 <spidey> hmm
21:16 <Vanhayes> so what Ill just scream at my mcless phone?
21:16 <spidey> i COULD call from my computer
21:16 <spidey> but i'm lazy
21:17 <Vanhayes> micless*
21:17 <Vanhayes> or however its spelled
21:17 <spidey> wtf
21:17 <spidey> how does http://armagetronad.net point to one thing, but www. points to another?
21:17 <spidey> O.o
21:18 <Vanhayes> one has www. the other doesnt
21:18 <spidey> Subject : Re: Hi
21:18 <spidey>
21:18 <spidey>
21:18 <spidey> Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox
21:18 <spidey> Hi,
21:18 <spidey> In soldat.ini there is an entry MaxPlayers.
21:18 <spidey> luke-jr_ he's not gonna give us the source :/
21:23 <luke-jr_> tell him he is lame and we'll find a better game =p
21:24 <spidey> lol
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21:26 <DrJoeTron> blrgh
21:26 <spidey> ??
21:26 <DrJoeTron> you heard me
21:27 <spidey> nope
21:30 <DrJoeTron> man i really wanna join the SA boards
21:31 <DrJoeTron> but i dont wanna shell out 10 bucks
21:33 <DrJoeTron> spidey
21:33 <DrJoeTron> hl2
21:33 <spidey> no
21:34 <DrJoeTron> sucker
21:34 <DrJoeTron> its a free demo man
21:34 <DrJoeTron> which reminds me
21:34 <DrJoeTron> i wonder if fortress is out
21:35 <DrJoeTron> fortress forever*
21:35 <DrJoeTron> spidey have you even seen the game?
21:36 <spidey> no
21:37 <DrJoeTron> sigh*
21:37 <DrJoeTron> hold on
21:42 <spidey> shitty ass lighter
21:42 <spidey> flint was only good for about 10 strkes
21:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: no.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> look at wrtlprnft's authorized_keys, 2nd lin
21:45 <wrtlprnft> e
21:45 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to give the supybot account the right to execute any command as armagetronad on your server
21:45 <luke-jr_> it never did
21:46 <luke-jr_> see ~armagetronad/.ssh/authorized_keys
21:48 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't have the matching private key
21:48 <wrtlprnft> and it should work the way it is right now
21:49 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IletP1LoO3s this is the trailer for episode one
21:49 <DrJoeTron> which is an expansion
21:49 <DrJoeTron> this is all actual gameplay
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21:57 <DrJoeTron> spidey,
21:57 <DrJoeTron> spidey smells
21:57 <spidey> your encryption is primative egyptian!
21:57 <DrJoeTron> watch that video!
21:57 <spidey> no
21:59 * spidey calls DrJoeTron
21:59 <spidey> deja_vu_
21:59 <DrJoeTron> dont do that
21:59 <spidey> deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_
22:00 <spidey> DrJoeTron why not
22:00 <DrJoeTron> said so
22:00 <spidey> why
22:00 <DrJoeTron> said so
22:00 <spidey> why'd you say so?
22:00 <DrJoeTron> see previous reply
22:01 <spidey> well the previous reply refers back to my previous question which is irrelevant,so....why?
22:01 <DrJoeTron> shut up spidey
22:01 <spidey> :D
22:01 <DrJoeTron> as in my previous reply
22:02 <spidey> #check DrJoeTron
22:02 <spidey> #list alias
22:02 <armabot> spidey: add, armabot, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, check, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
22:02 <spidey> hmm
22:03 <spidey> #check spdy
22:03 <spidey> :(
22:03 <spidey> #help check
22:03 <armabot> spidey: (check <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "unix spell $*".
22:03 <spidey> #list unix
22:03 <armabot> spidey: Error: 'unix' is not a valid plugin.
22:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft load unix!
22:03 <luke-jr_> what's DrJoeTron's #?
22:03 <spidey> lol
22:04 <luke-jr_> "hi. is Dr. Joe Tron there?"
22:04 <spidey> joey
22:04 <luke-jr_> NO
22:04 <luke-jr_> Dr. Joe Tron!
22:04 <DrJoeTron> hi
22:04 <luke-jr_> so what's his #
22:04 <spidey> i actually asked for his real name though
22:04 <spidey> they where confused
22:04 <spidey> luke-jr_ not for me to give out :p
22:05 <luke-jr_> ok, what's his website?
22:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah, creep
22:05 <spidey> but i know it so i can call :D
22:05 <spidey> i have it on speed dial
22:05 <spidey> #6
22:05 <DrJoeTron> gonna whois it?
22:05 <luke-jr_> isn't it posted on the site?
22:05 <luke-jr_> that's what spidey told me
22:05 <spidey> no
22:05 <DrJoeTron> no
22:05 <spidey> lol
22:05 <DrJoeTron> why the fuck would i do it
22:05 <spidey> i never said it was posted on a site :p
22:06 <DrJoeTron> that*
22:06 <spidey> if i get a phone,i'll go through numbers like i go through ip's
22:06 <spidey> haha
22:06 <spidey> speaking of which
22:07 <spidey> sicne i don't have my server anymore i need to install the drivers for the onboard nic
22:12 <luke-jr_> I have 3 or 4 #s
22:12 <luke-jr_> Kansas City, Atchison, Omaha, and Connecticut
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22:16 <DrJoeTron> yo mom
22:16 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:20 <wrtlprnft> spidey: can't as some commands in it crash it
22:20 <spidey> O.o
22:20 <wrtlprnft> there's google spell
22:20 <wrtlprnft> infact, IIRC you were the first one to abuse it
22:21 <spidey> abuse what?
22:21 <spidey> i didn't abuse anything, i hardly use that bot
22:22 <spidey> only thing i did was make a alias,but i change it to the unix spell one
22:22 <spidey> #alias add check "google spell $*"
22:22 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
22:22 <spidey> #check spdy
22:22 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:22 <wrtlprnft> #check wrtlprnft
22:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:23 <wrtlprnft> #check windws
22:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: windows
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> #check disasteblishmenterianasim
22:23 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:24 <DrJoeTron> guys quit breaking google
22:24 <DrJoeTron> bbl
22:25 <wrtlprnft> #list google
22:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: cache, calc, fight, google, lucky, meta, phonebook, spell, and stats
22:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: my problem wasn't armabot btw, but the fact that map-preview doesn't work
22:27 <Your_mom_arma> Yeah. and hud preview doesnt even exist yet
22:31 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: wanna write it?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> I might just hack a version of arma to playback a recording with a given cockpit file and make a screenshot at some location :P
22:32 <wrtlprnft> so you get the same situation in all screenshots, but different cockpits
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and then i might make the floor and the walls and cycle and everything black so you only see the cockpit :x
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22:35 <Your_mom_arma> if i wrote it it would just be a square drawn in crown on a napkin with bits if construction paper on the side for the different cockpits
22:36 <Your_mom_arma> crayon
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22:36 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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23:33 <wrtlprnft> just reading my apache logs... quite a number of tries to exploit some software I don't have. I got tons of them for mambo and awstats at least
23:33 <wrtlprnft> both some weird URIs with lot of %??
23:43 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:43 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-08-21:
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01:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: should work now, I did a revdep-rebuild
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01:56 <Vanhayes_> hmm the wiki seems to be down
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02:18 <luke-jr_> so is Luci
02:24 <Vanhayes> true
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03:35 <luke-jr_> #g 115 CA to US
03:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <luke-jr_> #g 115 CA to $
03:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <luke-jr_> #g 115 Canada $ to $
03:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <luke-jr_> #g 115 Canada dollars to $
03:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <luke-jr_> #g 115 Canada dollars to dollars
03:36 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <luke-jr_> #g 115 Canadian dollars to dollars
03:36 <armabot> 115 Canadian dollars = 102.431638 U.S. dollars
03:43 <Vanhayes> ?
03:44 <Vanhayes> trying to buy something form canada?
03:44 <Vanhayes> from*
03:49 <Meaw> anyone want join us freeciv?
03:49 <Meaw> me and some israeli guy
03:55 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: no
03:56 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: just curious what the exchange rate is then?
03:57 <luke-jr_> no
03:59 <Vanhayes> er
03:59 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_**
03:59 <Vanhayes> didnt see him come back
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04:46 <luke-jr_> hm
04:46 <luke-jr_> wow
04:46 <luke-jr_> how often do you see a linux system with *free* RAM?
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> is it Free as in Freedom?
05:21 <luke-jr_> ...
05:21 <luke-jr_> that's the only fre
05:21 <luke-jr_> free
05:21 <luke-jr_> that I recognize
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it. I thought you wouldn't recognize a free beer when you saw it.
05:21 <luke-jr_> =p
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> is there a freeciv game going?
05:22 <luke-jr_> not sure
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> man luke, you should have joined us for the game we played last night
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> we did humans vs ais and it was awesome
05:22 <luke-jr_> I know
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> the neat thing we discovered is after the ais are all destroyed, the game is over. So the human alliance doesn't have to break down
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> the science guy got the most points, but we were all within shooting distance of each other, so it's worth it for the humans to ally
05:31 <Vanhayes> there is a mode ais versus humans?
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> apparently its the default mode
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> that is, if you have ais to begin with. We ran 3 vs 1.
05:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: maybe not AI specific
05:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: maybe if the only living players are allied
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> we also ran increased barbarians, but when they finally showed up they were pretty shitty
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: that's possible. I wondered about it, would be worth checking out.
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> because the game might consider an alliance that rules the world to be the same as one civilization ruling the world, which makes sense
05:33 * luke-jr_ nods
05:33 <luke-jr_> I doubt it would have a special AI mode unless it was explicitly enabled
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, which means me and spidey didn't have to worry about what happened when you and todd were finished off. heh.
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> pretty ironic.
05:34 <Vanhayes> how long did that ai game take?
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> 6 hours or so, not terribly long
05:34 <luke-jr_> I'm up for a game tonight, btw
05:34 <luke-jr_> brb tho
05:34 <luke-jr_> restarting KDE
05:34 <Vanhayes> ya if its a 6 hour one id like to too
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a kernel compile going on, I'd like to be able to reboot before I start a game, but it shouldn't take long
05:35 <Vanhayes> ok
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll be looking to save after about 4 hours, unless it looks like we're nearing the end
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05:36 <Lucifer_arma> but now is the time to round up players. :) If we have 4 humans, I want to do 2 ais. If 6 humans, then 3. So humans/ais = 2, round down.
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> so it's 3 humans vs 1 ai. :)
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> 5 v 2, etc.
05:36 <Vanhayes> sounds good to me
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: spidey?
05:36 <Vanhayes> spidey: GodTodd ?
05:36 <Vanhayes> lol
05:37 <Vanhayes> want to try the japan map/mod? :)
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I have no specific objections, but I'm more interested in running a generated map
05:38 <Vanhayes> ya doesnt really matter to me, but if I have a choice that is it
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05:38 <Lucifer_arma> we'll have to see if we get more players what they want to play
05:38 <Vanhayes> im good with any map now though, I was just bored of the world one for a little while
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm interested in playing other maps. The nice thing about generated maps is that a player's knowledge of world geography doesn't give him any advantage
05:39 <Vanhayes> heh true
05:39 <Vanhayes> on your world map I'd say either the zulus or the australians have best start
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we all knew where the continents were, but I felt like some of us with good knowledge of geography had an advantage. heh.
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I think I should pull the aussies off or put them on an island instead
05:40 <TiTnAsS> sigh
05:40 <Vanhayes> TiTnAsS: want to plsay?
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> the mongols have a great start if they can be isolated for a while
05:40 <Vanhayes> play*
05:40 <TiTnAsS> have you guys started yet?
05:40 <Vanhayes> nope
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's still gonna be a little bit. Maybe in half an hour, maybe a little longer.
05:40 <TiTnAsS> im still not very good.. i havnt read any more of the manuel
05:40 <TiTnAsS> manual
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to give spidey and godtodd time to appear
05:40 * Vanhayes never read any of the manual
05:41 <TiTnAsS> lol, well
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: read the tactic tutorials that are there, they're very helpful. :)
05:41 <TiTnAsS> luke said im very bad at making defenses, and science
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> in the campaign we ran last night, after I took a city from the ai I never lost it.
05:41 <TiTnAsS> and im still not sure how to do either of those, ....
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> he counterattacked nicely, but I wore him down with good defenses. :)
05:41 <TiTnAsS> and i dont really wanna bother you guys by asking tons of questions :-/
05:41 <Vanhayes> ya Im pretty good with tactics, but the city building wasnt my strong point
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the basic rule of thumb, which varies a bit.
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> you put two defensive units, normally infantry, fortified in a city. That's phalanx, musketeers, riflemen, and MI
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> then you put at least 1 offensive unit, an artillery piece, in the city, and set him to auto-attack
05:42 <Vanhayes> hmm I like to use marines for def too when i can get them
05:42 <TiTnAsS> fortified in a city?
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> artillery is catapults, cannons, howitzers, etc.
05:43 <Vanhayes> select the unit and press f
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> marines are excellent defenders, but expensive compared to riflemen
05:43 <TiTnAsS> so you move it onto the city map, and press forify?
05:43 <TiTnAsS> fortify
05:43 <TiTnAsS> onto the city square*
05:43 <Vanhayes> ya I usually just but them for attack/def taken city
05:43 <Vanhayes> TiTnAsS: yes
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> now, the defense I just described is during PEACE. If you're going to war, it's common to pull the first wave of attackers from the existing garrisons while you build the second wave
05:43 <TiTnAsS> OH, one more thign i still dont know how to do, work squares around cities lol
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> just put your workers on auto-settler :)
05:44 <Vanhayes> well keep some to yourself
05:44 <TiTnAsS> and they work the squares by emselves?
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> the real advantage to marines is that they can leave a transport directly into an enemy city
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> TiTnAsS: yes, the ai will work them for you. If you set the CMA to something, the combination works *very* well
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> keep a few around for special projects, like building fortifications, connecting important railroads, etc.
05:45 <Vanhayes> ya, thats a very usefull ability, though a battleship usually does that for me first
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> right, but a battleship can't take the city. So you bombard the city with the battleship and/or missiles and/or bombers, then move in a transport with marines
05:45 <TiTnAsS> ic, so how many workers per city should i have?..
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> so the marines don't have to fight at all. :)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, workers cost, so I try to get the workers out of heavy farming cities
05:46 <TiTnAsS> as many nice sqaures there are within 5x5 of the city centered?
05:46 <Vanhayes> yup, very usefull if the battleship cant move anymore but you dont know if there is any defenders left
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> then I try to build a total of 1 worker per city, and I try to double that right before I get railroads
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, use spies. Spies are crucial to a campaign. :)
05:47 <TiTnAsS> do you need bulldozers to get railroads
05:47 <TiTnAsS> ?
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> I know, when you don't have a beachhead established, you don't have spies.
05:47 <Vanhayes> unless you send them over, but that wouldnt be the best thing to do
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, the "bulldozers" you see are "engineers", and normally you get railroads before that. Engineers build shit faster, and you really want them asap after getting railroad, but they're not necessary.
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, without a city to operate from, you're throwing spies away.
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> but the spy needs a city with fortifications to end his turn so he doesn't get attacked :)
05:48 <Vanhayes> by the time you get railroads I think you either have or are close to having engeneers(bulldozers)
05:48 <TiTnAsS> yeah, when i took over for GoddTodd, i saw like 4 bulldozers going back and forth, to the city from mining squares..i think.. lol
05:48 <TiTnAsS> it had a little "m" symbol over it, iunno what that means its doing
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> usually when you get railroad, you have a choice to go for engineers or industrialization next, they're about equidistant
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> that meant it was building a mine
05:49 <TiTnAsS> lol, i didnt even notice the stuff i leanred in science doing anything
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I like to bring more workers onto the field before I get railroads so I can start railroading and go for industrialization next :)
05:49 <TiTnAsS> ie, literacy..
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> literacy lets you build libraries
05:49 <TiTnAsS> jsut enables you to just more stuff?
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> libraries increase your research rate
05:49 <TiTnAsS> or lets you change to like.. communism or something?
05:50 <TiTnAsS> ic
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, you need Communism to change to communism :)
05:50 <TiTnAsS> lol..
05:50 <TiTnAsS> no i didnt mean libraries
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> read more of the manual. And understand it. :)
05:50 <TiTnAsS> i meant, if you research communism in the science tab, then you can change to communism, thats the only thing i knew
05:50 <TiTnAsS> that science helped with
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, what does science help with in real life?
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what, there's a series of books that does a really good job of showing what science and research is good for in civilization building
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> it starts with March Upcountry, written by David Weber, and available in the baen free library
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> you might learn more reading that than anything else. Or it's sequel, anyway, where they start building real firearms
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a go grab a smoke. hopefully spidey and/or GodTodd will appear and be ready for a game soon
05:53 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Extras btw there is where map and mod pack and modpack readme are
05:54 <Vanhayes> well not really readme but info on it
05:54 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: and TiTnAsS woulf you like to play a japan map/nodpack?
05:55 <Vanhayes> would* modpack**
05:55 <luke-jr_> shrug
05:59 <Vanhayes> spidey: spidey spidey spidey spidey
05:59 <Vanhayes> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd GodTodd GodTodd
05:59 <Vanhayes> anyone anyone anyone anyone anyone
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> the japan pack ships with the game, though. Most of those ship with the game :)
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm rebooting, brb
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06:05 <TiTnAsS> wait
06:05 <TiTnAsS> did you start?
06:05 <TiTnAsS> im finishing a lux game, please wait for me
06:05 <TiTnAsS> it shouldnt be long
06:06 <Vanhayes> ya we are still waiting
06:08 <TiTnAsS> whats the freeciv site? i wanna link my cousin so he can learn it sometime
06:09 <luke-jr_> #g freeciv
06:09 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:09 <luke-jr_> dumb bot
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06:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have a battery monitor now :)
06:10 <TiTnAsS> sounds more like dumb luke to me ^^
06:10 <TiTnAsS> hah
06:10 <TiTnAsS> its not the bots fault google doesnt have any links for it :D
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from luke-jr_
06:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [06:09:59] <luke-jr_> dumb bot
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> links for what?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> #g doesn't search google anyway
06:11 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:11 <Vanhayes> why would google calc know anything about freeciv?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> #google freeciv
06:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.35 seconds: Freeciv: <http://www.freeciv.org/>; Download - Freeciv: <http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Download>; Freeciv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv>; freshmeat.net: Project details for Freeciv: <http://freshmeat.net/projects/freeciv/>; WorldChanging: Tools, Models and Ideas for Building a Bright Green ...: (1 more message)
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: spidey spidey
06:12 <TiTnAsS> im almost ready
06:12 <TiTnAsS> shouldnt be more then 10-15 more minutes
06:12 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with GodTodd
06:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: [05:59:55] <Vanhayes> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd GodTodd GodTodd
06:12 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with spidey
06:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: [05:59:44] <Vanhayes> spidey: spidey spidey spidey spidey
06:13 <Vanhayes> wait a few more minutes for them?
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> may as well wait for TiTnAsS too
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible GodTodd and spidey decided they'd been playing too much freeciv lately and are out sleeping or having lives :)
06:14 <Vanhayes> true
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/maps/iberian-peninsula-68x50-iso.gif <--- we could be visigoths
06:15 <luke-jr_> the forums are working quite crappy tonight
06:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: that would make more sense than calc only
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think the north america map looks boring
06:16 <luke-jr_> wtf does 'g' have to do with a calculator?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> calc is taken by a different plugin that uses python to calculate, which isn't much like a calculator
06:16 <luke-jr_> screw the other plugin =p
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/maps/lgm-180x90.gif <-- I think this map looks interesting, but I'm kinda sick of the world in general
06:18 <luke-jr_> someone fix the forums -.-
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, they're out of my jurisdiction
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06:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the japan map is fine, but I'd still prefer a generated map. We could increase the land mass and stick it in island mode, with 1 player per island
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> the map we played last night still had like 3 or 4 unsettled islands on it
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> but if we play the japan map, I'm changing my name to Mr. Miyogi
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know what the spawn points look like on the japan map?
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
06:21 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
06:22 <luke-jr_> never played it
06:22 <luke-jr_> #monologue
06:22 <armabot> luke-jr_: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.
06:22 <luke-jr_> guru3: fix forums =p
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no carthage on the japan map
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> > Mongol, Korean, Portuguese, Dutch, Japanese, English, Chinese, Spanish
06:26 <luke-jr_> ...
06:26 <luke-jr_> hurry up =p
06:26 <Vanhayes> well its japanese clans if you use the mod pack
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, those names are just there so they can have civilizations, but they're renamed in the sav file to match japanese clans
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: spidey
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> they all start near each other, though. That could be pretty interesting, but it doesn't look like anybody starts on an island
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just realized what I just said
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, server's up
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> port: 5555
06:34 <GodTodd> hmmm
06:37 <Vanhayes> ill br on in a couple of minutes
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you playing?
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: spidey spidey
06:40 <GodTodd> debating
06:40 <GodTodd> heh
06:41 <TiTnAsS> fuck guys
06:41 <TiTnAsS> sorry
06:41 <TiTnAsS> gimmi
06:41 <TiTnAsS> 30 more seconds
06:41 <TiTnAsS> lol
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> right now it's just me and luke in the server
06:42 <TiTnAsS> back..
06:44 <luke-jr_> hope nobody minds me splitting DEDICATED up
06:44 <luke-jr_> into SDLGL
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> splitting it up how?
06:44 <GodTodd> hmmm...i'd only be able to play for 2 or 3 hours :/
06:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: GUI stuff in SDLGL #ifdef
06:45 <TiTnAsS> thats fine godtodd
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking to save around 4 hours after we start
06:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: eg, so you can run a client w/o SDL/GL
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I don't mind at all if DEDICATED is just define that defines other symbols that actually create it
06:45 <luke-jr_> 2 or 3 would be better for me
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I split up sound like that. :)
06:45 <TiTnAsS> what about vanhayes
06:45 <TiTnAsS> and spidey?
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, if you guys want to save sooner, than just keep your eyes on the clock
06:45 <TiTnAsS> they coming?
06:46 <Vanhayes> coming right now
06:46 <GodTodd> on my way then :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> since we all don't want to play all night, it's probably more reasonable to save and quit than save and let ai players fill in for missing players :)
06:47 <Vanhayes> yup
06:47 <Vanhayes> il probly leave in 2-4 hours
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
06:47 <Vanhayes> probly sleeping
06:48 <Vanhayes> idle for 8 hours
06:49 <Vanhayes> spidey: spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: last call :)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> LAST CALL FOR FREECIV PLAYERS
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> #last --from spidey
06:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [22:23:12] <spidey> #check spdy
06:50 <Vanhayes> spidey missed out
06:53 <luke-jr_> o well
06:53 <luke-jr_> he can always take an AI
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07:29 <luke-jr_> omg tna can be dumb sometimes =p
07:31 <TiTnAsS> fool.. why bother saying that here
07:31 <TiTnAsS> its fine to say ingame when i do something stupid
07:37 <luke-jr_> =p
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08:07 <guru3> luke-jr_: what's wrong with them?
08:09 <guru3> ah
08:09 <guru3> 4 posts
08:11 <luke-jr_> posting is broken
08:11 <luke-jr_> errors every time
08:11 <luke-jr_> sometimes it works and still errors
08:12 <guru3> working fine here
08:19 <luke-jr_> -.-
08:41 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/contrib/maps/japan-88x100.gif
09:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: thanks, i'll check next time I need it. I already made the previews on my machine and uploaded them
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10:05 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad/.message/231c09 <-- uploaded those maps
10:06 <wrtlprnft> though i had to delete half-0.0.3.aamap.xml as it has a syntax error
10:07 <luke-jr_> how did it get uploaded then?
10:07 <luke-jr_> there's a reason the script verifies
10:08 <luke-jr_> please don't bypass it
10:08 <luke-jr_> tho a failed preview shouldn't block an upload either
10:13 <wrtlprnft> I didn't bypass it
10:13 <wrtlprnft> I just didn't use it :P
10:14 <wrtlprnft> and then noticed as the preview failed
10:17 <spidey> o.o
10:18 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: non usage is bypassing =p
10:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, it doesn't do batchprocessing of maps :P
10:18 <Vanhayes> spidey want to play?
10:18 <wrtlprnft> so I can't use it
10:18 <Vanhayes> we are four vs 3 ais and could use another person
10:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so make it
10:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: or script it, it takes argv iirc
10:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I think ed would appreciate batch uploads tho
10:21 <wrtlprnft> making a script that calls upload.suid-php 21 times is unacceptable, it would spam CIA
10:22 <spidey> Vanhayes play?
10:22 <Vanhayes> freeciv
10:22 <spidey> lemme finish my breakfast ;x
10:22 <Vanhayes> take over an ai
10:22 <spidey> host?
10:22 <Vanhayes> www.davefancella.com
10:22 <Vanhayes> take nick
10:22 <Vanhayes> he was TNA
10:23 <spidey> -_-
10:23 <Vanhayes> then had tp leave
10:23 <Vanhayes> to*
10:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so spam CIA =p
10:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: or fix it
10:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: I was gonna call you, but didn't know your name
10:37 <spidey> i told your wife
10:37 <spidey> :p
10:41 <luke-jr_> GodTodd:
10:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: she's asleep
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10:50 <Vanhayes> GodTodd: GodTodd GodTodd GodTodd
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: don't take this personally, but I'm cutting you from the game for now, sorry
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> let us know when you get back what's up
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11:16 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
11:21 <Vanhayes> illbe back in a few hours
11:21 <Vanhayes> #goodbye
11:21 <armabot> Goodbye Vanhayes :(
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11:22 <luke-jr_> don't miss me! =p
11:22 <spidey> i won't
11:25 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: FIXED_FRAMERATE WFM
11:32 <wrtlprnft> WFM?
11:33 <luke-jr_> works for me
11:33 <luke-jr_> I think
11:33 <wrtlprnft> what's WFM?
11:34 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg cyname WFM
11:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (cyborg [<name>]) -- Returns a cyborg acronym for <name> from <http://www.cyborgname.com/>. If <name> is not specified, uses that of the user.
11:34 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg WFM
11:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: W.F.M.: Worldwide Fighting Machine
11:36 <arctanx> 'scuse me, I can't find the option to give the description line for a server which starts at "Using all original settings." or something. anyone know how to change that?
11:36 <luke-jr_> Works For Me
11:36 <luke-jr_> arctanx: wtf?
11:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: you sure? did you try it in chat mode?
11:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no clue
11:37 <arctanx> luke-jr_: when browsing online servers, there's a line called "Options:" and I'm wondering how you can change that, because my server most certainly doesn't use all original values
11:37 <luke-jr_> probably
11:37 <luke-jr_> made videos of normal gameplay, which means I probably chatted
11:37 <luke-jr_> arctanx: put it in server_info as settings_dedicated says to
11:37 <arctanx> oh duh, settings_dedicated
11:38 <luke-jr_> don't change settings_dedicated tho
11:38 <arctanx> thanks
11:38 <arctanx> yeah, I'll stick it in settings_custom
11:38 <luke-jr_> that one belongs in server_info imo
11:38 <luke-jr_> but it's arguable
11:38 <spidey> i go in swampland
11:38 <arctanx> no matter
11:38 * wrtlprnft doesn't get the point of separating these files
11:38 <spidey> the first thing i get
11:38 <spidey> go back to your stupid speed/rubber server
11:38 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: one is to be shared, the other isn't
11:38 <spidey> so i'm winning :D
11:39 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: server_info is a private file
11:39 <luke-jr_> with server name, URL, admin pass, etc
11:39 <luke-jr_> settings_custom is what you give the kid next door who wants your cool settings
11:40 <arctanx> yep
11:40 <arctanx> wiki describes in detail that distinction
11:40 <luke-jr_> does it? wow
11:40 <luke-jr_> I just figured it was blatently obvious =p
11:40 <wrtlprnft> i know it's there. I just don't see the point
11:41 <luke-jr_> I just told you the point
11:41 <wrtlprnft> if i give someone my settings i will only give them relevant parts anyways
11:41 <luke-jr_> to keep private in a seperate file from public
11:41 <arctanx> I think so, I read it anyway
11:47 <arctanx> it seemed likely that there would be a SERVER_OPTIONS variable, which is the one I wanted, but it isn't in the console commands wiki page for some reason
11:53 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig server_options
11:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
11:53 <wrtlprnft> then it doesn't exsit probably
11:56 <arctanx> well it certainly does
11:57 <arctanx> just hiding in settings_dedicated.cfg
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12:43 <spidey> luke-jr_ ping
13:27 <spidey> luke-jr_ tech support!
13:27 <spidey> server crashed -_-
13:28 <spidey> it crashed right after i tried to login o.o
13:53 <spidey> wrtlprnft?
14:09 <wrtlprnft> spidey?
14:10 <spidey> nvm got it
14:10 <spidey> had to chown
14:10 <spidey> -_-
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15:06 <GodTodd> #g 28+19.15+71+89.25
15:06 <armabot> 28 + 19.15 + 71 + 89.25 = 207.4
15:06 <GodTodd> #g 207.4+31.75
15:06 <armabot> 207.4 + 31.75 = 239.15
15:08 <GodTodd> #g 83.25+26.25+17.95+70.95
15:08 <armabot> 83.25 + 26.25 + 17.95 + 70.95 = 198.4
15:12 <spidey> todd
15:14 <GodTodd> spidey
15:18 <spidey> todd
15:18 <GodTodd> spidey
15:18 <spidey> todd
15:18 <GodTodd> spidey
15:19 * spidey is watching Dawn of the Dead
15:19 <GodTodd> heh
15:21 <spidey> the dead walk the earth!
15:22 <GodTodd> problem is they're mostly *brain*dead ;)
15:23 <spidey> haha
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16:33 <wrtlprnft> #g EUR 290.20 in british pounds
16:33 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #g EUR 290.20 in pounds
16:33 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #g EUR 290.20 in currency of great britain
16:33 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> #g 290.20 euros in currency of great britain
16:33 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> wtf
16:34 <GodTodd> #g 290.2 EUR in GBP
16:34 <armabot> 290.2 Euros = 197.584945 British pounds
16:35 <wrtlprnft> thanks
16:35 <GodTodd> np :)
17:27 <spidey> heh
17:27 <spidey> when i get my dog back he's gonna be high
17:28 <spidey> he got something in his eye and it got swollen pretty bad, so we took him to the vet
17:28 <spidey> he wouldn't let them look so they gave him something
17:48 <spidey> this one'll be a pain :-s
18:23 <spidey> wrtlprnft
18:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey
18:24 <spidey> need help with something
18:24 <spidey> :D
18:24 <wrtlprnft> what?
18:24 <spidey> in php, i know how to remove 1 line from a text file
18:25 <spidey> but say i want that line, plus the 3 after it removed
18:25 <wrtlprnft> how do you identify the line?
18:26 <wrtlprnft> $file = file('path');
18:26 <wrtlprnft> $removelines = 0;
18:26 <wrtlprnft> foreach($file as $line) {
18:26 <wrtlprnft> if($removelines > 0) {
18:26 <wrtlprnft> --$removelines;
18:27 <spidey> ah
18:27 <wrtlprnft> } else {
18:27 <wrtlprnft> $result .= $line;
18:27 <wrtlprnft> }
18:27 <wrtlprnft> if(strstr($line, 'searchstring')) {
18:27 <wrtlprnft> $removelines = 3;
18:27 <wrtlprnft> }
18:27 <wrtlprnft> }
18:27 <wrtlprnft> something like that
18:28 <spidey> k
18:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe move the 2nd if to the beginning of the foreach loop
18:39 <spidey> haha
18:39 <spidey> i suck
18:39 <spidey> the forums page, when you clicked "forums" twice it loaded the site inside the iframe
18:40 <spidey> i feel stupid -_-
18:41 <spidey> ok i'm done for now
18:42 * spidey goes to play freeciv
18:42 <spidey> found a server with 7 people and are in pregame
18:42 <spidey> :D
18:42 <luke-jr_> spidey: pong!
18:42 <spidey> yo
18:43 <spidey> luke-jr_ the guy either thinks i'm retarded, or he's retarded
18:43 <luke-jr_> ?
18:43 <spidey> because i define why we needed the source and what we was gonna use it for
18:43 <spidey> he told me use "maxplayers" in the .ini ... but that can be changed with a remote client
18:44 <spidey> anyone wanna play freeciv? i really don't wanna play with these guys, but i wanna play
18:45 <spidey> hmm
18:45 <spidey> i think these guys are the devs
18:45 <spidey> O.o
18:48 <luke-jr_> hehe
18:48 <spidey> come in
18:49 <luke-jr_> spidey: if you *really* want it, maybe ask what price tag he'll put on the source under an unlimited private use license and/or open source license?
18:49 <spidey> they're gonna play after they get done talking about fixing things
18:49 <spidey> :p
18:49 <luke-jr_> spidey: or forward it to me and I can do that
18:49 <luke-jr_> nah
18:49 <luke-jr_> no tie
18:49 <luke-jr_> time
18:49 <spidey> michal.marcinkowski@gmail.com
18:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: forward his last reply to me as an attachment?
18:50 <spidey>
18:50 <spidey> From : Michal Marcinkowski <michal.marcinkowski@gmail.com>
18:50 <spidey> Sent : Monday, August 21, 2006 2:49 PM
18:50 <spidey> To : "P.J. Noble" <xlllspiderlllx@hotmail.com>
18:50 <spidey> Subject : Re: Hi
18:50 <spidey>
18:50 <spidey>
18:50 <spidey> Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox
18:50 <spidey> They can, the commands are listed in the Soldat manual.
18:50 <luke-jr_> spidey: forward his last reply to me as an attachment?
18:50 <spidey> !?
18:50 <spidey> what's your email
18:51 <luke-jr_> luke@dashjr.org
18:51 <spidey> sent
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18:55 <spidey> shit
18:55 <spidey> i'ma die
18:55 <ghableska> O_o
18:56 <spidey> 13 people all devs
18:56 <spidey> :(
18:56 <luke-jr_> rofl
18:56 <spidey> well
18:56 <spidey> 12
18:56 <spidey> i'm the 13th
18:56 <ghableska> :P
18:57 <luke-jr_> spidey: BTW, I assume the server works now?
18:57 <spidey> i guess
18:57 <spidey> haven't been back
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:57 <spidey> only played tron a few hours this morning
18:58 <spidey> 14 players o.o
18:58 <spidey> well
18:58 <spidey> i guess it'll be good practice
18:58 <spidey> if i live longer than a hour
18:58 <spidey> :/
18:58 <luke-jr_> well, there's people playing there now
18:58 <spidey> k
18:58 <luke-jr_> spidey: I suggest saying
18:58 <luke-jr_> go easy on me =p
18:59 <spidey> haha
18:59 <spidey> no they'll come after me first then
18:59 <spidey> !
18:59 <luke-jr_> nah
18:59 <luke-jr_> but you'll probably still lose
18:59 <luke-jr_> unless maybe you gain the sympathy from one and an alliance
18:59 <spidey> atleast i can say i played for an hour :p
18:59 <luke-jr_> if you do
19:00 <spidey> <book> gn then there are ghost islands...
19:00 <spidey> wtf's a ghost island
19:00 <luke-jr_> nobody on em?
19:00 <spidey> luke-jr_ if i can get a good production island i'll be fine
19:00 <luke-jr_> or maybe ghosts
19:00 <luke-jr_> :o
19:01 <spidey> just produce a shitload of ancient units with city walls :D
19:01 <spidey> and all of my cities but 2-3 are gonna be inland
19:01 <luke-jr_> hm'
19:01 <luke-jr_> if you want to focus on that
19:01 <spidey> because they'll kill me with ironclads :(
19:01 <luke-jr_> use all tax and no sci
19:01 <spidey> nah, i need some
19:01 <luke-jr_> use Coastal Defense
19:01 <spidey> or i'll just get overrun
19:02 <spidey> that requires science
19:02 <spidey> :p
19:02 <luke-jr_> =p
19:02 <luke-jr_> look up exactly which
19:04 <spidey> -_-
19:07 <spidey> omg o.o
19:07 <spidey> i thought i had problems
19:08 <spidey> these guys act like tna's imposter
19:09 <luke-jr_> O.o
19:10 <spidey> hmm
19:10 <spidey> luke-jr_ sure you don't wanna play? it's about to start :p
19:19 <cusco> where where?
19:20 <spidey> freeciv :p
19:21 <cusco> searching
19:21 <spidey> server has 11 people in it
19:21 <spidey> it's in pregame
19:21 <spidey> i forget the name
19:21 <spidey> jas 12 now
19:21 <cusco> thats crazy tronners?
19:21 <cusco> wild fortress?
19:22 <spidey> no.....
19:22 <spidey> another game
19:22 <cusco> that doesn't come up on my list then :/
19:22 <spidey> it's not tron :p
19:22 <cusco> ahh free civ
19:22 <cusco> dooh
19:22 <spidey> :p
19:22 <cusco> I used to play civ3 on mac
19:22 <cusco> nice game
19:23 <cusco> most of times I chosen russia
19:23 <spidey> heh
19:23 <spidey> i like the chinese
19:23 <spidey> ok, game starting bbl
19:24 <cusco> good luck
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19:39 <guru3> luke-jr_: were you using the domain devs.armagetronad.net?
20:03 <luke-jr_> guru3: not AFAIK
20:03 <luke-jr_> why?
20:04 <luke-jr_> try it and see if it has anything? =p
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20:16 <guru3> no it was pointing to my ip
20:16 <guru3> just wondering
20:52 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joinfear.com/main?act=download free finally!
21:01 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-198-71.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
21:01 <DrJoeTron> hey mom, fear combat is out
21:01 <DrJoeTron> free too
21:02 <Your_mom_arma> have you tried it yet?
21:02 <DrJoeTron> im torrenting it right now
21:03 <DrJoeTron> i loved fear, but i didnt wanna pay for it
21:03 <DrJoeTron> cause my system wont do it justice
21:03 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.playgenesis.com/index2.htm
21:03 <Your_mom_arma> in development game
21:04 <Your_mom_arma> its supposed to be like guild wars meets populous
21:05 <DrJoeTron> freaky
21:05 <DrJoeTron> fucking stingey sseeders
21:05 <DrJoeTron> over 1400 and 9 wanna share
21:06 <Your_mom_arma> pff
21:06 <Your_mom_arma> 1.86gb
21:06 <DrJoeTron> its fear man
21:07 <Your_mom_arma> who in their right mind would direct download it
21:07 <DrJoeTron> fucking crazy people
21:07 <DrJoeTron> but it doesnt sound like a bad idea
21:08 <DrJoeTron> im only getting 40 down
21:09 <Your_mom_arma> direct dowload is less then 25kb/s down
21:09 <DrJoeTron> thats sad
21:09 <DrJoeTron> i usually get like 100
21:10 <Your_mom_arma> alright its 18 and im cancelling it
21:10 <Your_mom_arma> you could wait till more seeds are out
21:10 <DrJoeTron> nah, keep it going
21:10 <DrJoeTron> im slowly getting more seeders
21:10 <DrJoeTron> im at 60
21:11 <Your_mom_arma> the demo for single player is 662mb
21:11 <DrJoeTron> this isnt a demo though
21:11 <Your_mom_arma> i know
21:11 <DrJoeTron> it just didnt sell
21:12 <DrJoeTron> so they made it fre
21:12 <DrJoeTron> demo was cool, when i didnt play it on my machine
21:12 <DrJoeTron> what do you use for a bittorrent client?
21:13 <Your_mom_arma> azerblahblah
21:13 <Your_mom_arma> forgot the last part
21:13 <Your_mom_arma> azerius mabey
21:13 <DrJoeTron> ah
21:14 <DrJoeTron> i used to use azureus
21:14 <DrJoeTron> i use utorrent nowadays
21:14 <DrJoeTron> less resources running
21:14 <Your_mom_arma> i'll try it out
21:14 <DrJoeTron> and its only like 170kb
21:20 <Your_mom_arma> where's you get the .torrent file?
21:20 <Your_mom_arma> where'd
21:21 <DrJoeTron> http://www.joinfear.com/main?act=download
21:22 <DrJoeTron> damn it i hate it when it spikes to 90 and drops to like 40
21:22 <DrJoeTron> gets my hopes up for nothing
21:23 <DrJoeTron> yay i broke 100kb
21:34 <DrJoeTron> ive never seen 2 gigs take this forever
21:35 <DrJoeTron> you registered right Your_mom_arma ?
21:43 <Your_mom_arma> why?
21:44 <DrJoeTron> you gotta register to play
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21:47 <DrJoeTron> i need to play toejam and earl
21:47 <DrJoeTron> but no one to play with :/
22:09 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
22:10 <DrJoeTron> my site got one hell of a hit spike
22:11 <DrJoeTron> im guessing it was DOS
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22:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah most likely that
22:19 <spidey> shit
22:19 <spidey> i had to go pick my dog up from the vet
22:19 <spidey> AI lost 5 cities, so i got 10 left
22:19 <spidey> -_-
22:19 <spidey> i'm doing pretty good against these guys
22:19 <spidey> at war with 3, and allied with 2
22:19 <spidey> the rest are peace or nutural
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22:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey
22:24 <DrJoeTron> wait nm
22:24 <DrJoeTron> i was gonna say download fear
22:24 <DrJoeTron> combat
22:24 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if you make the requirements
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22:31 <DrJoeTron> this is the download from hell
22:33 <Your_mom_arm1> already gave up on the torrent
22:42 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:43 <DrJoeTron> im at 17% so im in it for the long haul
22:43 <DrJoeTron> i shouldve done this before i went to bed
22:43 <DrJoeTron> or....i could go to bed now
22:48 <DrJoeTron> i spose nows a good time to start my side band,
22:48 <DrJoeTron> ...planet piss...
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22:56 <wrtlprnft> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/10/2219218
22:56 <wrtlprnft> > ...but it seems to have jump-started efforts to actively recruit female developers within other open source projects as well.
22:56 <wrtlprnft> should we get more women into this project too? ;)
23:15 <spidey> god
23:15 <spidey> i hate the AI
23:15 <spidey> i was doing good then it took over then i came back to ancient army units :(
23:16 <spidey> but i gave a hella fight :D
23:16 <spidey> took out 3 sealth fighters and tons of howitzers with nothing more than cannons and muskets
23:16 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * resources/xevi/xevi-0.0.6.aacockpit.xml: Resource by xevi
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23:21 <spidey> well
23:22 <spidey> someone bruteforced the password to my soldat srever
23:22 <spidey> fuck
23:23 <wrtlprnft> if it was like the password of your arma server it doesn't surprise me
23:23 <spidey> nah
23:23 <spidey> was like the password i use on my webserver
23:23 <spidey> and ask luke, it's a good password
23:24 <wrtlprnft> if in doubt use the md5sum of your kernel :P
23:24 <wrtlprnft> assuming you compiled it yourself
23:24 <spidey> ...
23:24 <spidey> it's a webserver
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23:29 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=85241#85241 <-- and it hit the world forums again
23:30 <wrtlprnft> maybe guru3 should autoban everyone makes a new thread in that forum? The bots seem to be the only ones who do.
23:30 <wrtlprnft> *everyone who makes
23:31 -!- Proclus is now known as dht
23:34 <spidey> hmm
23:34 <spidey> i accidently chown'd the whole soldat folder :D
23:35 <spidey> there we go
23:36 -!- dht is now known as Proclus
23:37 <spidey> 68.77.1.233 gotta love remote admin clients ;x
23:41 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/soldat]# ls
23:41 <spidey> w
23:41 <spidey> t
23:41 <spidey> f
23:41 <Your_mom_arm1> f
23:41 <Your_mom_arm1> t
23:41 <Your_mom_arm1> w
23:41 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/soldat]# ls
23:41 <spidey> 'er
23:41 <spidey> it's not posting it all
23:41 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/soldat]# ls
23:42 <spidey> bin/ls: .: Permission denied
23:42 <spidey> ah
23:42 <spidey> there was a / on bin
23:42 <Your_mom_arm1> whats the ratio of male/female developers working on gnome anyway?
23:43 <Your_mom_arm1> we might need a fraction of a woman to be equally as diverse as gnome
23:51 <wrtlprnft> well, we're 100% male as of right now.
23:51 <wrtlprnft> that's assuming noone's hiding his gender
23:52 * wrtlprnft throws a crazy look at Lucifer_arma jk
23:52 <spidey> haha
23:54 <Your_mom_arm1> we only have 20 developers
23:54 <Your_mom_arm1> gnome has hundreds i would assume
23:55 <Your_mom_arm1> adding 6 female developers would only be a small fraction of diversity
23:56 <spidey> assuming there's female tron players that can program :p
23:56 <Your_mom_arm1> not to mention that some people on the devolopers list in arma dont realy do anything
23:56 <Your_mom_arm1> *cough mom*
23:58 <Your_mom_arm1> and only about 14 are still active
23:58 <spidey> http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/734/wtfny6.jpg
23:58 <spidey> -_-
Log from 2006-08-22:
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00:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arm1: heh, you're here at least.
00:00 <wrtlprnft> there's other devs who i haven't seen once for all the time i've been on this project
00:01 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:01 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:01 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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00:08 -!- dht is now known as Proclus
00:12 <spidey> i'ma go find a freeciv game starting that i won't get owned in
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00:13 <Your_mom_arm1> which one are you joining?
00:13 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
00:14 <Vanhayes> think that is up?
00:14 <Your_mom_arm1> his website is
00:14 <Vanhayes> ya I meant his freeciv server
00:14 <Vanhayes> it isnt
00:15 <Vanhayes> spidey: which one are you joining?
00:19 <spidey> Vanhayes the one at the top of the list
00:20 <spidey> it's in pregame
00:20 <spidey> with 4 users
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00:21 <spidey> Vanhayes?
00:22 <spidey> Vanhayes better hurry if you wanna play :p
00:25 <spidey> to late :(
00:30 * luke-jr_ thinks wrtlprnft is female
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00:35 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
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01:20 <spidey> lol
01:41 <Your_mom_arm1> crashed freeciv
01:41 <spidey> mom?
01:41 <spidey> coming back?
01:42 <Your_mom_arm1> grr
01:42 <spidey> ??
01:48 <luke-jr_> ...
01:48 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv keeps crashing and some guy in game keeps telling me to switch to linux
01:52 <luke-jr_> good advice
01:52 <luke-jr_> that's what I'd tell you if your Arma kept crashing
01:53 <Your_mom_arm1> look i like free software as much as the next guy
01:53 <Your_mom_arm1> but if arma and freeciv never worked again i still wouldnt uninstall windows
02:01 <luke-jr_> dummy
02:05 <Your_mom_arm1> explain to me why i would want to basically throw away perfectly good games that wine wont be powerfull enough to emulate?
02:06 <luke-jr_> because they're *not* perfectly good
02:06 <luke-jr_> and WINE is not an emulator
02:07 <Your_mom_arm1> luke im not going to continue this anyfarther so lets just agree to disagree
02:08 <luke-jr_> in other words, you can't defend your position
02:08 <GodTodd> you have to defend preferences?
02:09 <luke-jr_> mom does
02:09 <luke-jr_> =p
02:09 <GodTodd> hmmm
02:09 <GodTodd> not very logical thinking
02:13 <GodTodd> not to mention that calling someone a 'dummy' for not wanting to switch to your preferred software is pretentious as hell
02:14 <luke-jr_> Windows is crap
02:21 <GodTodd> i agree...but that is an opinion and just because someone else doesn't hold that opinion doesn't make them a 'dummy'
02:21 <GodTodd> that's all i'm saying
02:23 <luke-jr_> no
02:23 <luke-jr_> it's a conclusion based on facts
02:23 <luke-jr_> and then summarized =p
02:24 <GodTodd> that you're a dummy if you don't use linux?
02:25 <GodTodd> ok...let's try a different tack....what if i were to say you're a dummy for being christian?
02:27 <luke-jr_> nah, I meant the "Windows is crap" statement
02:27 <luke-jr_> you'd be wrong
02:27 <GodTodd> according to whom?
02:28 <luke-jr_> wrong is a factual matter
02:28 <GodTodd> nice double talk
02:29 <GodTodd> so...my opinions are wrong?
02:29 <luke-jr_> depends on what your opinions are
02:29 <GodTodd> learn that in church, didja?
02:29 <GodTodd> heh
02:29 <luke-jr_> so when do we resume last night's game?
02:29 <luke-jr_> no, that's basic logic
02:30 <GodTodd> ok...prove that christianity is correct
02:30 <GodTodd> cuz it's my opinion it's not
02:30 <luke-jr_> people here tend to reject documented observations, so that might be difficult
02:31 <GodTodd> documented where?
02:31 <GodTodd> and by whom?
02:31 <GodTodd> and if it is 'right' then it shouldn't be hard at all
02:32 <luke-jr_> it is if documents are rejected
02:33 <GodTodd> you still havent answered on that so you must not be too confident of its validity
02:34 <luke-jr_> any
02:34 <GodTodd> it's documented any?
02:34 <GodTodd> wtf does that mean?
02:34 <GodTodd> [GodTodd] documented where?
02:34 <GodTodd> [GodTodd] and by whom?
02:34 <luke-jr_> it doesn't matter where/whom, it's rejected here
02:34 <GodTodd> fine
02:34 <GodTodd> your opinion is wrong then
02:35 <luke-jr_> opinions cannot be right nor wrong
02:35 <GodTodd> you just said they are
02:35 <luke-jr_> no
02:35 <GodTodd> [GodTodd] so...my opinions are wrong?
02:35 <GodTodd> <luke-jr_> depends on what your opinions are
02:35 <GodTodd> bullshit
02:35 <luke-jr_> you're the one using the word opinion there =p
02:36 <luke-jr_> I'm just responding
02:36 <GodTodd> ummm do you see the line with your name?
02:36 <GodTodd> you're wrong and trying to back out
02:36 <GodTodd> cowardly
02:36 <luke-jr_> you used the wrong word, and I knew what you meant and replied using the same wrong word
02:36 <GodTodd> fuck that
02:36 <GodTodd> you're wrong
02:37 <GodTodd> and contradicted yourself
02:37 <luke-jr_> nope
02:37 <GodTodd> ok
02:37 <luke-jr_> next time would you rather I nitpick the terms you use?
02:37 <GodTodd> you think what you want
02:37 <GodTodd> sure...hasn't stopped you with anyone else
02:38 <GodTodd> so..what term should i have used Mr. Professor?
02:40 <GodTodd> if 'windows is crap' is a well-known 'fact' please define the term 'crap' in general...
02:41 <GodTodd> my contention is that crap in this sense essentially means 'useless'...and it is not useless for a lot of people
02:41 <GodTodd> for you, it may very well be...but that leads to an opinion
03:00 <spidey> dude
03:00 <spidey> freeciv is one buggy fucker
03:00 <ghableska> O_o
03:01 <spidey> crashed and i can't reconnect to the fucking server
03:02 * Your_mom_arm1 has had that happen before
03:02 * Vanhayes stays out of tonights religous/truth/facts debate with luke-jr_
03:02 <ghableska> lol Vanhayes
03:02 * ghableska thinks the debate is over
03:03 <Vanhayes> it never is over, just over for now
03:03 <ghableska> hehe
03:03 <GodTodd> heh
03:03 <GodTodd> he retreated i think
03:03 <ghableska> :P
03:03 <Your_mom_arm1> heh
03:04 <Your_mom_arm1> game ended by vote, that guy had trash all over his island
03:05 <spidey> is it restarting?
03:05 <Vanhayes> hmm is Lucifer_arma here?
03:05 <spidey> i'll never play with kim2 again
03:05 <Vanhayes> I really want to finish that game we started
03:05 <spidey> he cause global warming twice and was working on a 3rd within 10 rounds
03:05 <ghableska> haha
03:05 <Vanhayes> ya its a tactic
03:05 <spidey> how
03:06 <spidey> it hurts you to
03:06 <Vanhayes> he probly had cities on mountains
03:06 <Vanhayes> that way he could drown you
03:06 <Vanhayes> while his cities are safe high up
03:06 * spidey notes next time 'globalwarming' is getting set to 0
03:06 <ghableska> :P
03:06 <Vanhayes> heh
03:07 <spidey> oh and now i can connect to a server
03:07 <spidey> gay
03:08 <Vanhayes> can or can't?
03:09 <spidey> can
03:09 <spidey> couldn't after i got disconnected in the middle of a fucked up game :/
03:09 <Vanhayes> thats a bad thing?
03:09 <spidey> couldn't even share tech's in that one -_-
03:09 <spidey> Your_mom_arm1 Vanhayes wanna start a game with just us?
03:10 <Vanhayes> ya probly in a few minutes
03:10 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma
03:10 <Vanhayes> grr I really wanted to finish that game
03:10 <ghableska> :P
03:10 <spidey> what game?
03:10 <Vanhayes> last nights
03:10 <spidey> was i there?
03:10 <Vanhayes> it was a good one
03:10 <spidey> we've got a ton of games to finish
03:10 <Vanhayes> you took over for TNA/ai for 5-10 rounds
03:10 <spidey> lol
03:11 <spidey> oh ya
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03:25 <Lucifer_arma> gonna be a bit
03:25 <Lucifer_arma> <---- about to eat dinner
03:25 <spidey> <--- really tired
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, GodTodd can take Nick if we're short a player. Or you can give me all Nick's cities. :)
03:33 <spidey> lol
03:33 <spidey> no
03:33 <spidey> i'm watching a zombie movie i've never seen
03:34 <spidey> day of the dead 2 contagium
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's the period in japan that this map is built around
03:49 * Your_mom_arm1 waits for a map mainly featuring texas from luci
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> thought about it, but texas is a pretty boring state to put a bunch of civilizations in
03:51 <Your_mom_arm1> do a delaware map, enough space for one city
03:51 <GodTodd> besides you'd have to include yankees :/
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it would be more interesting to have a texas civiliztion than a texas map
03:55 <GodTodd> heh
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> a us map built around the indian wars might be interesting
03:56 <Your_mom_arm1> do certain civilizations have an advantage?
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, it only matters when the ai takes them over
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> even then I dont know if the ai just adopts a character independent of the civilization it has, or if it tries to have a character in line with that civilization
04:06 <luke-jr_> ...
04:07 <luke-jr_> I want to be the Ancient Aliens if we do native american
04:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:07 * luke-jr_ wonders if that's even real =p
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think a map built around the Belisarius series would be really awesome
04:08 <luke-jr_> my most recent 'education' about native american history is the X-Files =p
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> Byzantines have to invade India, and there's a really nice little tech race going
04:08 <luke-jr_> translation: I know nothing about it
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, native american history isn't terribly interesting :/
04:08 <luke-jr_> heh
04:08 <luke-jr_> I wouldn't know
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't get interesting until white people start destroying them
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much everything before about 1400 AD is known only through archaeological research, no written histories were kept
04:09 <luke-jr_> so we can make it up as we go along
04:09 <luke-jr_> what about oral histories?
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> the oral histories are mostly of the same form:
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> "First <whatever> rose up out of the ocean, created by the sun and founded our first city"
04:10 <Your_mom_arm1> i call mayas' if we do that kind of game
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> "Then <whoever> mated with <some wild animal> to populate the city"
04:10 <luke-jr_> Luci can be Aztec
04:10 <luke-jr_> =p
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> nah, the spaniards were the good guys when they conquered the aztecs :/
04:11 <luke-jr_> =p
04:11 <luke-jr_> why don't we do a mars map
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> I want to be the cliff-dwellers
04:11 <luke-jr_> cliffs are supported?
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> not really, it's just building cities in hills near streams in a desert
04:12 <luke-jr_> =p
04:12 <luke-jr_> hm
04:12 <luke-jr_> Freeciv needs an "Underground Bunker" city enhancement
04:13 <Lucifer_arma> it also needs a smaller rocket unit tht can be carried by transports and some ground units
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> rockets entered warfare quite a while before explosives were developed, they just used gunpowder payloads
04:14 <luke-jr_> need fireworks too
04:14 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv needs a mode where you can teraform and populate other planet
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> both the japanese and the chinese had them
04:14 <luke-jr_> that can be used to make people happy
04:14 <luke-jr_> or as a method of war
04:15 <luke-jr_> terrorist units would be interesting too
04:15 <luke-jr_> and kamikaze
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> I can see terrorists being useful
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> but that's basically what you have with a diplomat anyway
04:16 <Your_mom_arm1> minus the money
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> the only real difference is a terrorist can do only industrial sabotage and has a much higher chance of success than a diplomat
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, it would be helpful if you could blow up terrorists on the field, but I don't see a useful way to make that happen that's consistent with behavior in the field for other units
04:17 <Your_mom_arm1> terrorist units could cause an anarchtic goverment to split with half joining your side
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> that only works against Americans
04:18 <Your_mom_arm1> anyone up for a game?
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you could use a diplomat to subvert only part of a city, then funnel money into that city to build terrorists
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> in a bit I'll be ready to restore the game we saved yesterday....
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04:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe another hour or so
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> hiya Fonkay
04:18 <Your_mom_arm1> hey fonkay
04:19 <Fonkay> hello
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should do the japan map again at some point but get rid of the tech penalty :)
04:20 <Fonkay> trying to get my dog to fall asleep
04:20 <Fonkay> so just wasting time
04:21 <Fonkay> can anyone read this?
04:21 <mkzelda> no
04:21 <Fonkay> not funny :P
04:21 <mkzelda> no i really cant
04:21 * mkzelda cant read at all :(
04:21 <Fonkay> irc keeps giving me errors
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda is an illiterate guy
04:22 <mkzelda> it happens
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04:24 <Your_mom_arm1> look what you two did
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04:25 <Your_mom_arm1> wb
04:25 <Fonkay> ok what does i mean that my sock is not connected?
04:25 <GodTodd> on the foot side or the shoe side?
04:25 <Fonkay> cause it keeps disconnecting me and then re-connecting
04:26 <Fonkay> telling me to disconnect from irc
04:26 <Fonkay> and apllication errors. this thing is fucked
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04:28 <Your_mom_arm1> huh
04:28 <mkzelda> rofl@godtodd
04:28 <luke-jr_> it means you're not wearing socks
04:29 <luke-jr_> so it can't generate static electricity needed to keep IRC online
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04:29 <luke-jr_> it means you're not wearing socks
04:29 <luke-jr_> so it can't generate static electricity needed to keep IRC online
04:29 <mkzelda> wb
04:29 <luke-jr_> Fonkay: play Freeciv with us
04:29 <Fonkay> freeciv?
04:29 <luke-jr_> yes
04:29 <Fonkay> what's i+ mean?
04:29 <Fonkay> it doesn't seem to like that
04:30 <luke-jr_> wtf is i+
04:30 <mkzelda> invisible
04:30 <Fonkay> the + it says it doesn't like
04:30 <luke-jr_> ooh I wanna be invisible
04:30 <Your_mom_arm1> post the error?
04:31 <Fonkay> which one?
04:31 <Your_mom_arm1> meabey its the irc client
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's because you're using winsocks
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> microsoft can't even make good socks
04:32 <Fonkay> debug:qIRC 1 buffer failed:'error reading "sock372":socket is not connected
04:33 <luke-jr_> eww, windows socks now?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> we've had winsocks since at least win98 :/
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> socket is a network connection, Fonkay
04:33 <luke-jr_> =p
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically a connection from one program to another using the network system in the kernel
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> a socket doesn't have a protocol, the application has to provide that
04:34 <luke-jr_> um
04:34 <luke-jr_> sure it does
04:34 <luke-jr_> applications don't implement TCP let alone IP or Ethernet
04:35 <Fonkay> Error:can't use empty string as operand of "+"
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> what irc client are you using?
04:35 <Fonkay> uh sav?
04:35 <Fonkay> i think
04:35 <Fonkay> whatever that mean
04:35 <Fonkay> s
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: there are other libraries, and it also depends on the kernel. :) Some kernels give IP at least, and I think but don't know for sure that some kernels also offer TCP or UDP
04:36 <Fonkay> i think it's undernet that's the problem.. or so it would seem
04:36 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the point being that a socket needs a protocol
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> I think but don't know that Linux offers up to TCP/UDP/Unix domain sockets to a socket, and then the application just reads it like a regular file
04:37 <Fonkay> ok, lemme reconnect one more time
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04:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, windows 95 had sockets without protocols, which was why third party developers like nutscrape had to offer protocol support themselves
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, doesn't matter, it looks like Fonkay has a broke-dick irc client
04:38 * GodTodd remembers configuring Trumpet Winsock :/
04:38 <luke-jr_> pretty sure Win95 had TCP/IP at least
04:38 <luke-jr_> Trumpet Winsock was 3.1
04:39 <GodTodd> i know it was
04:39 <GodTodd> and was 3.11 in my case :P
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, microsoft put out an update to win95 that offered and IP stack, iirc, but the first win95 didn't because Microsoft completely missed the internet
04:39 <mkzelda> windows for workgroups
04:39 <GodTodd> yep
04:40 <mkzelda> there was a win95a,b,c
04:40 <GodTodd> was on my 386/16 with the massive 60 MB HDD
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, you had 60MB?
04:41 <GodTodd> yep
04:41 <GodTodd> i was da shit
04:41 <GodTodd> heh
04:41 * Lucifer_arma was so excited when he got a 40MB hd for his amiga 500
04:41 <mkzelda> i remember my 20mb scsi drive on my 286 being the shit
04:41 <GodTodd> tape backup too
04:41 <mkzelda> 8mhz w/ the boost button
04:41 <GodTodd> and i splurged and bumped it to a 14.4 modem
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> and then all I did with that amiga was play civ1, heh
04:41 <mkzelda> made it 12
04:42 * Lucifer_arma only used obsolete computers from 1994->2001
04:43 <GodTodd> back before the web became all graphical and full of sinful sex
04:43 <GodTodd> heh
04:43 <Your_mom_arm1> anyone want to play freeciv now?
04:44 <spidey> um
04:44 <spidey> in a minute
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've gotta wait for my wife to get home and see what she's going to do, and then I can probably only play for a few hours anyway
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some work I need to do tonight
04:45 <GodTodd> work?
04:45 <GodTodd> psh
04:45 <GodTodd> heh
04:45 <luke-jr_> wow, you got a whole 20 MB?
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04:46 <Fonkay> ok
04:46 <Fonkay> so far so good
04:46 <luke-jr_> ...
04:46 <Fonkay> nothing's malfunctioned yet
04:47 <spidey> ewwwwwwwwww
04:47 <spidey> it's her
04:47 <spidey> :p
04:47 <Fonkay> evil
04:48 <spidey> sup d00d
04:48 <Fonkay> all seems to be fine... and I changed nothing, so.. who knows.
04:48 <Fonkay> not much
04:48 <luke-jr_> Freeciv
04:48 <Fonkay> last night before heading into the woods again
04:48 <spidey> o.O
04:48 <Fonkay> what's freeciv?
04:49 <Your_mom_arm1> the worst game in the world
04:49 <spidey> hahaha
04:49 <Fonkay> good slogan
04:49 <spidey> to bad we're addicted
04:49 <Fonkay> how would one play said game?
04:49 <spidey> you don't want to
04:49 <Your_mom_arm1> i just want to not be completly demolished by people who have never played the game before
04:50 <spidey> you'll be like us playing 16+ hours straight each day
04:50 <spidey> -_-
04:50 <luke-jr_> that's only 1 game...
04:50 <Fonkay> i wont have to the internet come tomorrow.. so all if fine
04:50 <Your_mom_arm1> thats only because one game takes that long
04:50 <Fonkay> is* fine
04:50 <spidey> ya
04:50 <spidey> lol
04:50 <spidey> actually
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you don't really want to start freeciv
04:51 <spidey> me and luci played 16 hours and still wasn't done
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> I feel like the coke fiend telling his friends not to do coke
04:51 <spidey> haha
04:51 <Fonkay> well, i have at least an hour to kill before my dog will settle down, so what to do?
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> if that's all you have available, you should play arma :)
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> but if you have 6-8 hours...
04:51 <Fonkay> ugh, no one good plays anymore
04:52 <spidey> lmao
04:52 <Your_mom_arm1> #roulette
04:52 <armabot> Your_mom_arm1: *click*
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's 'cause we're all playing freeciv :)
04:52 <spidey> i wonder why i have 2 tron servers but don't even play tron that much
04:52 <spidey> -_-
04:52 <Your_mom_arm1> because you dont have anything else to use your server for
04:52 <spidey> not to mention a soldat server some asshole crashed and won't start up again
04:52 <spidey> no matter what
04:53 <GodTodd> sorry bout that :/
04:53 <spidey> i mean i've tried everything -_-
04:53 <spidey> nohup
04:53 <spidey> normal start
04:53 <spidey> chown'd it
04:53 <spidey> it starts, but it doesn't function :/
04:54 <Your_mom_arm1> i'll play arma. pick a server
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm still beating around waiting for my wife, then I'm hoping to get some guys together to restore last night's save game
04:56 <luke-jr_> spidey: ...
04:56 <spidey> luke-jr_, ...
04:56 <Fonkay> god damn storm
04:56 <Fonkay> I probably shouldn't be on my computer
04:56 <spidey> luke-jr_ ssh the webserver and cd public_html/soldat
04:57 <spidey> try to start the server
04:57 <spidey> it'll say it's started ,but you can't connect to it via remote admin client or the game itself
04:57 <spidey> he used some exploit -_-
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04:57 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: better than waiting around beating your wife :)
04:57 <spidey> lol
04:57 <luke-jr_> spidey: I don't know how
04:58 <spidey> ?
04:58 <luke-jr_> spidey: complain that it's buggy and we need to patch to fix it
04:58 <GodTodd> omfg...............
04:58 <spidey> luke-jr_ he's not coming off the source
04:58 <spidey> like i said
04:58 <spidey> 2 things
04:58 <spidey> 1) he thinks i'm a idiot
04:58 <spidey> 2) or he's a idiot
04:58 <luke-jr_> spidey: like I said, forward me the email as an attachment
04:58 <spidey> i did!
04:58 <luke-jr_> no
04:58 <spidey> check your email
04:58 <spidey> along time ago
04:59 <luke-jr_> from what email?
04:59 <spidey> my hotmail....
04:59 <luke-jr_> ...
04:59 <spidey> it'll show up as my name
04:59 <spidey> not the email :p
04:59 <luke-jr_> nothing under spidey
04:59 <spidey> i know
04:59 <spidey> look for P.J.
05:00 <Your_mom_arm1> pajamas
05:00 <spidey> -_-
05:00 <Fonkay> ok, so anyone gonna play arma then?
05:00 <Your_mom_arm1> okay
05:00 <spidey> depends
05:00 <Fonkay> where at?
05:00 <spidey> i would say ct fortress but it's laggy as shit
05:00 <spidey> shrunkland? :D
05:00 <Fonkay> it's slim pickin's these days
05:01 <Your_mom_arm1> i dont care, you pick
05:01 <spidey> or could start one in my fortress server :p
05:01 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players
05:01 <Fonkay> i'd say shrunk... but it's probably crawling with trolls this timeof night
05:01 <spidey> there's someone there
05:02 <Your_mom_arm1> styball if you dont hate it
05:02 <spidey> lol
05:02 <Fonkay> more like suck at it
05:02 <luke-jr_> no P.J. anywhere
05:02 <spidey> -_-
05:02 <Your_mom_arm1> i've played in there and had people join say it sucks then leave
05:02 <spidey> xlllspiderlllx@hotmail.com ??
05:03 <Fonkay> it's not all that bad.. needs some fixing though
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> stonehenge hide and seek?
05:04 <Fonkay> what?
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> the server
05:04 <Fonkay> that's a server?
05:04 <Your_mom_arm1> yeah
05:05 <Fonkay> didn't know it existed
05:05 <Your_mom_arm1> its wrtls server
05:05 <Fonkay> well, i'm up for anything at this point
05:05 <luke-jr_> ...
05:05 <Fonkay> watching a dog pant isn't thrilling
05:06 <Fonkay> stupid snickers
05:06 <DrJoeTron> shut up smelly
05:06 <spidey> if you live near tall weeds don't let your dogs run
05:06 <Fonkay> :D
05:06 <spidey> you should have seen one of my labs this morning
05:06 <DrJoeTron> >-;;,ccc3
05:06 <luke-jr_> I'll play stonehenge
05:06 <spidey> he got a grass seed in his eye, it looked like someone poked it out
05:06 <Fonkay> i'll play it if i can find it
05:06 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i are finishing off FMA
05:07 <DrJoeTron> and im off!
05:07 <Your_mom_arm1> fma?
05:07 <luke-jr_> lame
05:07 <spidey> gay
05:07 <Fonkay> double lame
05:07 <luke-jr_> Full Metal Alchemist?
05:07 <spidey> luke-jr_ lets play freeciv
05:07 <Fonkay> no
05:07 <luke-jr_> spidey: why do you go to Spam?
05:07 <Fonkay> let's play arma
05:07 <spidey> luke-jr_ i always do
05:08 <Your_mom_arm1> already in arma
05:08 <spidey> don't know why though
05:08 <spidey> :/
05:08 <luke-jr_> spidey: I can tell you why
05:08 <spidey> ?
05:08 <luke-jr_> if your message ever loads
05:08 <luke-jr_> too much spam to sift through
05:08 <spidey> ....
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Combat#Combat_Mechanics <--- list of combat modiers
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> spidey goes to spam because he writes quite naturally like a spammer trying to get around a bayesian filter
05:09 <luke-jr_> lol
05:09 <spidey> o.o
05:09 <spidey> Lucifer_arma so...with a sdi and a sam it's 4times the defense??
05:09 <luke-jr_> * 3.5 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100%
05:09 <spidey> holy shit
05:10 <spidey> i thought it was only 3 times, hell i'd knocked out every air unit you sent at me :p
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> apparently
05:10 <luke-jr_> * 0.2 DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE RBL: Envelope sender in abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't know sam actually worked against missiles, but that explains the trouble I had with the last few african cities
05:10 <luke-jr_> * 1.7 DNS_FROM_RFC_POST RBL: Envelope sender in
05:11 <spidey> hmm
05:11 <luke-jr_> * 0.0 MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER Message-Id was added by a relay
05:11 <luke-jr_> * 0.3 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary
05:11 <spidey> i got a idea now
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I also didn't know pikemen were so useful against mounted units
05:11 <spidey> i'ma put a AEGIS cruiser and a SAM battery in every city for now on
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I should have expected it, though, heh
05:11 <spidey> i'll have x7 defense
05:11 <spidey> maybe even a SDI for x9
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> against air, sure :)
05:11 <luke-jr_> spidey: translation...
05:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma ground troops are for the land invasion :)
05:11 <luke-jr_> 1. you write like spammers do
05:11 <luke-jr_> 2. your mail host SUCKS
05:12 <luke-jr_> 1+2 = spam
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> 3. luke-jr_ quit spamming us, please
05:12 <spidey> luke-jr_, oh well
05:12 <spidey> hahahaha
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> 4. Use pastebins
05:12 <luke-jr_> by "SUCKS" I mean, acts like a spam host
05:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma tell your wife to hurry up and get home so we can play :p
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> it probably is a spam host
05:12 <spidey> it's hotmail...
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> she went to take her mother back to her hotel room
05:12 <spidey> msn
05:12 <luke-jr_> Spidey, that is not forwarded as an attachment
05:13 <spidey> it is
05:13 <luke-jr_> that is a text/plain attachment with only content
05:13 <spidey> oh well
05:13 <luke-jr_> forward the message itself
05:13 <spidey> why!?!?!?!?!
05:13 <luke-jr_> so I can reply to it
05:13 <luke-jr_> duh
05:13 <spidey> i gave you the email -_-
05:13 <spidey> and i posted the message
05:13 <luke-jr_> so?
05:13 <luke-jr_> that doesn't include the message ID
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_'s really going to be able to convince the soldat guy to release the source
05:14 <spidey> i doubt it
05:14 <luke-jr_> either that or flame him
05:14 <luke-jr_> maybe not flame, but annoy
05:14 <spidey> he'll probably through the rest of your emails in the spam bin
05:14 <luke-jr_> that won't work too well
05:15 <luke-jr_> put non-spam in a spam bin and you'll get false positives
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> depends on the spam bin
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> mine's just a folder in kmail, the server does the filtering for me
05:19 <Fonkay> damn instants
05:19 <Your_mom_arm1> heh
05:19 <Fonkay> I'm banned for 4 mins for forgetting to hit the chat key
05:20 <Fonkay> that's what i get for setting instants to letters i gues
05:21 <Fonkay> good news is the storm seems to be almost over
05:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no baysean education?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, Women's Suffrage counts as a police station in every city
05:29 <GodTodd> yep
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I read that and immediately thought of that feminist who went on her campaign against alcoholism and got people together with baseball bats and crap and went and tore up bars
05:34 <GodTodd> molly hatchett wasn't it?
05:34 <GodTodd> the birth of the speakeasy
05:38 <Your_mom_arm1> ban something by law and creat more underground crime
05:40 <Fonkay> night
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05:43 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Terrain#Terrain_Catalog <--- check defense bonuses
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the defenders have all the advantages in this japan map
05:43 <luke-jr_> ?
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> I think the right strategy to work the invasion is to send in knights to pillage the terrain and occupy the squares, draw out the combat units from the cities, then defeat them
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> in the best terrain we can get them in
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> move in pikemen and stuff to fortify the hills, mountains, and forests around each city
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we're on musketeers now, but I still have a lot of pikemen in the field
05:47 <Vanhayes> all my troops are up yo date
05:47 <Vanhayes> to*
05:48 <spidey> fuck knows what i got
05:48 * spidey will never take a nation controled by tna
05:48 <Vanhayes> Im thinking im going to build enough knights, muskets, and catapults to seige a town then 5 or 6 diplomats to try and take it over or sabatage it
05:49 <Vanhayes> and if the diplomats fail ill still have enough to take it over anyway
05:50 <spidey> you know
05:50 <spidey> a cannon will beat a howitzer?
05:51 <spidey> i beat serveral elite howitzers with vets and harden cannons
05:51 <spidey> plus i killed a stealth fighter with a musket
05:51 <spidey> heh
05:54 <luke-jr_> are we gonna play?
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> few more minutes
05:56 <luke-jr_> -.-
05:58 <Vanhayes> hmm it seems I was using the smallpox tactic without realizing it
06:00 <Your_mom_arm1> smallpox and largepox are wierd names for stratagy
06:01 <Your_mom_arm1> first time i saw it i thought the game had virus outbreaks that needed curing
06:02 <luke-jr_> lol
06:02 <luke-jr_> me too
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> not quite
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> smallpox is putting cities with only 1 square between them
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> largepox maybe, because that's still cities too close to each other, but farther apart than that
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> we're going against smallpox on the islands the spanish have settled, and the only way to get decent cities out of it is to destroy quite a few in the attack
06:03 <Your_mom_arm1> i also have a hard time navigating thru the documentation on there wiki that may just be me though
06:04 <Your_mom_arm1> their
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> as long as you only read the game manual, I don't have any problems, but once I want to know about other things, it gets tricky
06:05 <spidey> hmm
06:05 <spidey> give nick to Your_mom_arm1 or GodTodd
06:05 <spidey> i'm to tired to stay up
06:05 <spidey> :(
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok. I'm a go brush my teeth, then I'll probably be about ready to start
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> or at least ready to start mustering players ;)
06:06 <Vanhayes> ya GodTodd got wiped out by the spainards
06:06 <spidey> #night
06:06 <armabot> Good night spidey!
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ready. who wants to play?
06:17 <Your_mom_arm1> i'll play,not sure how long i'll stay up though
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: Vanhayes GodTodd ?
06:18 <Vanhayes> ya ill play
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> the problem here is that there's only really one extra civilization that Titnass started and then left
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> since GodTodd's got destroyed by the spaniards, if he wants to play we kinda need to give him Titnass's
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> if he doesn't, then we can give it to you, Your_mom_arm1 :)
06:18 <Your_mom_arm1> no argument here
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> it would probably throw the whole game off if you took over one of the original AI civs
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> but if we can't get luke-jr_ to play, we should start a new game anyway :)
06:20 <Your_mom_arm1> i need a freeciv cheat sheet
06:20 <Your_mom_arm1> clifnote page i mean
06:21 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
06:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> haven't started the server yet
06:21 <Vanhayes> just getting the hodt
06:21 <Vanhayes> host*
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06:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Detailed_strategy_guide_for_diplomacy_version <--- I read this right before we played that other game on the world map
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: luke-jr_ ?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I started the server, you can connect to it, but if these guys don't show up we'll have to restart and play a new game :)
06:28 <Vanhayes> fine by me
06:29 <Vanhayes> does it load the settings we were using?
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> wel, it's a save game, so it starts where we left off
06:29 <Vanhayes> ok
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it might not load the settings we were using, but most of what we were using is obsolete at this point
06:30 <Vanhayes> well the fortress vision is what I care about most
06:30 <luke-jr_> what
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> game?
06:30 <Vanhayes> are you playing?
06:30 <luke-jr_> play a new one, I'm playing local cuz u took so long =p
06:31 <luke-jr_> <.<
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> you can't save it off and join?
06:31 <Vanhayes> well... you can save local
06:31 <luke-jr_> =p
06:31 <luke-jr_> but I'm doing *good* in this one
06:31 <Vanhayes> well... you can save local
06:31 <luke-jr_> everyone's asking me for alliances
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's what save games are for
06:31 <luke-jr_> lol
06:31 <luke-jr_> yea, but I'll forget what I was doing
06:32 <luke-jr_> >.>
06:32 <Vanhayes> they always ask for alliances, then they want to attack one of your other alliances
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> they also do it to get your trust, then they prepare to attack you
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> that was why I couldn't leave Nick as an unconquered ai, alliance or no :(
06:32 <Vanhayes> yup, the ai will win luke
06:32 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: I'm refusing the alliances
06:33 <Vanhayes> they will either take you out or gett more points
06:33 <luke-jr_> and they're dying off one by one
06:33 <luke-jr_> I have the great library too
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, if luke-jr_ doesn't want to join, and GodTodd hasn't appeared yet, we can remove Nick completely and let your_mom take over luke
06:33 <luke-jr_> aww wtf
06:33 <luke-jr_> it just suddenly lost connection to server
06:34 <Vanhayes> to a local game?
06:34 <luke-jr_> yes
06:34 <luke-jr_> go figure =p
06:34 <Vanhayes> lol
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> local game is still a server, the client just starts the civserver binary is all
06:35 <luke-jr_> still doesn't explain the loss
06:35 <luke-jr_> hm
06:35 <luke-jr_> wonder if I can tell the server to save
06:35 <luke-jr_> =p
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the client handles that stuff for you
06:35 <luke-jr_> now go play
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you lost connection it could be that the server crashed
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> you coming?
06:36 <luke-jr_> I'm there
06:42 <Your_mom_arm1> bah
06:42 <Your_mom_arm1> freeciv crashed
06:46 <luke-jr_> don't use Windows :)
06:51 <Your_mom_arm1> dont use freeciv?
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07:12 <DrJoeTron> I like Your_mom_arm1's idea better
07:12 <DrJoeTron> yo mom, that free opensource game doesnt work
07:13 <DrJoeTron> better reformat
07:13 <DrJoeTron> and youse linux dooood
07:15 <luke-jr_> I'm sure it's Windows' fault ;)
07:15 <DrJoeTron> of course
07:16 <DrJoeTron> because an open source program would NEVER crash
07:16 <DrJoeTron> hey speaking of
07:16 <DrJoeTron> who wants to play arma!?
07:17 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:17 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: note it only crashes on Windows ;)
07:17 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
07:18 <DrJoeTron> i remember audrey having troubles with his APPLE COMPUTER
07:18 <DrJoeTron> with arma
07:18 <Your_mom_arm1> becuse the developers cant write for the operating system that everyone uses
07:19 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: arma != freeciv
07:19 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arm1: s/everyone/losers
07:20 <Your_mom_arm1> i like the way you think better
07:21 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:22 <DrJoeTron> wow
07:22 <DrJoeTron> now that im depressed as fuck
07:22 <Your_mom_arm1> lets concentrate on the operating system 10% of the population uses and the 10% of those who will use our application
07:22 <DrJoeTron> after watching fma
07:22 <DrJoeTron> exactly
07:22 <DrJoeTron> i wont bug you linux nerds
07:22 <DrJoeTron> or that pachouli stinkin mac nerds
07:22 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
07:23 <DrJoeTron> and il stick with my clunky windows
07:23 <DrJoeTron> it aint the prettiest girl on the block
07:23 <DrJoeTron> but she'll knock your socks off
07:23 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
07:23 <DrJoeTron> fear is almost done
07:23 <Your_mom_arm1> fma?
07:23 <DrJoeTron> 1minute left
07:24 <DrJoeTron> full metal alchemist
07:24 <DrJoeTron> gomes never saw it, so i had to show him it
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07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> joe wait for the seeds to drop out at 99.9 percent
07:24 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:24 <Your_mom_arm1> did they release the movie yet?
07:25 <DrJoeTron> i dont think yet
07:25 <DrJoeTron> im waiting for it
07:25 <DrJoeTron> oh look fma is on now
07:25 <DrJoeTron> its been out but not dubbed
07:25 <DrJoeTron> i needs dubbed
07:25 <luke-jr_> dubs SUCKS
07:25 <luke-jr_> SUCK*
07:26 * DrJoeTron doesnt give a shit
07:26 <Your_mom_arm1> i missed some episodes after fma killed greed
07:26 <DrJoeTron> dubs showed the truth!
07:26 <DrJoeTron> you know what dubs showed?
07:26 <luke-jr_> dubs are crappy copyoffs
07:26 <DrJoeTron> that Advent children fucking sucked
07:26 <luke-jr_> rofl
07:26 <DrJoeTron> my god that was horrible
07:26 <luke-jr_> Advent children was at least decent
07:27 <DrJoeTron> no
07:27 <DrJoeTron> i mean
07:27 <luke-jr_> but if you saw a dub/copyoff of it, of course it sucked
07:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:27 <DrJoeTron> pretty
07:27 <DrJoeTron> but still
07:27 <DrJoeTron> fucking worst thing ever
07:27 <luke-jr_> the real movie wasn't
07:28 <DrJoeTron> its the real movie
07:28 <DrJoeTron> its shitty
07:28 <DrJoeTron> even subtitles
07:28 <DrJoeTron> it was a shitty plot
07:28 <DrJoeTron> come on the "hoist cloud up a thousand times"
07:29 <DrJoeTron> you cant blame dubbing on that jack assery
07:31 <luke-jr_> yes you can
07:31 <luke-jr_> look at Cardcaptors
07:31 <luke-jr_> or Sailor Moon
07:31 <luke-jr_> total garbage
07:31 <DrJoeTron> and advent children
07:32 <DrJoeTron> im going to be right
07:32 <DrJoeTron> not matter what you do
07:32 <luke-jr_> dunno, haven't compared it
07:32 <DrJoeTron> advent children sucked
07:32 <luke-jr_> but dubs always suck some
07:32 <DrJoeTron> it was like a horrible fanfiction
07:33 <DrJoeTron> most dubbings are shit
07:33 <DrJoeTron> some i liked
07:33 <DrJoeTron> cowboy bebop i enjoyed
07:33 <DrJoeTron> and fma was good
07:35 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: why are you invisible on Talk?
07:37 <DrJoeTron> alright
07:37 <DrJoeTron> gonna try fear
07:37 <Your_mom_arm1> invisable?
07:39 <DrJoeTron> hmm
07:39 <DrJoeTron> should probably defrag
07:40 <DrJoeTron> oooh yeah
07:40 <DrJoeTron> it needs it
07:40 <DrJoeTron> forgot ive been playing bf2
07:44 <luke-jr_> lol defrag
07:44 <luke-jr_> windozeluser =p
07:45 <luke-jr_> Windows-- the only OS where you need to defrag stuff =p
07:46 <DrJoeTron> i told you
07:46 <DrJoeTron> dont start linux nerd
07:48 <DrJoeTron> man fear is just cluttered
07:52 <DrJoeTron> man i want fortress forever to be done!
07:53 <Your_mom_arm1> hit alt f4 for cheat
07:53 <Your_mom_arm1> install linux
07:54 <DrJoeTron> jaa noob
07:55 <DrJoeTron> 1i|\|u>< pwnxx0rs rofl
07:55 <DrJoeTron> winblow$ n00|3
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08:27 <DrJoeTron> well
08:27 <DrJoeTron> if that wasnt just a free generic fps
08:28 <DrJoeTron> dont know what is
08:32 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
09:26 <wrtlprnft> #morning
09:26 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Smoking is the leading cause of statistics.
09:26 <wrtlprnft> lol
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10:24 <luke-jr_> hey idlers
10:24 <luke-jr_> we need a players
10:24 <luke-jr_> player
10:24 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you
10:24 <luke-jr_> play
10:24 <wrtlprnft> play what?
10:24 <luke-jr_> Freeciv
10:25 <wrtlprnft> an AI will do better than me
10:25 <luke-jr_> except an AI will turn on us
10:25 <wrtlprnft> who says i won't?
10:25 <luke-jr_> you can't do much worse than mom
10:25 <luke-jr_> you won't
10:25 <luke-jr_> you'd be wiped out too easy
10:26 <wrtlprnft> so then you're gonna turn on me?
10:26 <luke-jr_> no
10:26 <luke-jr_> if all players left are allied, the game is over
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if all players left are allied yadayada, so no reason to turn on each other
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> just join the alliance, play the best you can, and let the points fall where they may
10:27 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i'm busy right now :(
10:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe in an hour or so
10:27 <wrtlprnft> if the AI doesn't wipe you all out in the meantime
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, more like if we don't wipe hiim out :)
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> we've got the upper hand right now
10:28 <luke-jr_> the game will hopefully be over within the hour
10:28 <wrtlprnft> then kill him :)
10:29 <luke-jr_> we are
10:29 <luke-jr_> both of em
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: ?
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11:23 <Lucifer_arma> diplpenalty is an interesting way to equalize alliances
12:00 <spidey> -_-
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12:11 <spidey> grrrr
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> why do you have to build the apollo program to start the space race? Why isn't it the sputnik program?
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> Apollo went to the moon and was part of the race started by Sputnik...
12:11 <spidey> lol
12:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma playing a game?
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, about to go to bed
12:15 <spidey> pussy :p
12:15 <spidey> man
12:15 <spidey> i'ma fail science
12:15 <spidey> oh well, not completing next years
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12:22 <Vanhayes> #morning
12:22 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes Random Fortune: You canna change the laws of physics, Captain; I've got to have thirty minutes!
12:22 <spidey> #night
12:22 <armabot> Good night spidey!
12:22 <Vanhayes> night?
12:22 <spidey> :p
12:23 <Vanhayes> didnt you go to sleep hors ago?
12:23 <Vanhayes> hours*
12:23 <spidey> ya
12:23 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ how did that game go?
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> we cut it off, but it's going well
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> I"ve got conscription now, working on espionage or just got it, with combustion as my next goal
12:25 <Vanhayes> I got disconnected and when it didnt comeback after 10 minutes I turned my comp off and went to bed for a couple hours
12:25 <Vanhayes> how long after I left did you guys play for?
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> only an hour, maybe less, not sure
12:26 <Vanhayes> ok good, hope my ai didnt do anything bad
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> didn't want to play too long while an ai controlled you, but it's the away ai, so it didn't turn on us or anything
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like it kept fighting, no idea if it screwed up your productions, heh
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> I took over for you for a turn on luke's request to take a portuguese city
12:27 <Vanhayes> ya I was about to take 2 of them
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke hammered it, then wanted you to finish, so I took over for you. Lost a few more cannons though.
12:27 <spidey> i'm going to play a local game, unless Vanhayes wants to play one ;x
12:28 <Vanhayes> ya probly
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I got communism, don't know if you were there when I did
12:28 <Vanhayes> nah
12:28 <spidey> dude
12:28 <spidey> Lucifer_arma
12:28 <Vanhayes> you said you were getting it
12:28 <spidey> fuck commy now
12:28 <Vanhayes> ?
12:28 <spidey> figure out how to turn fundamentlism on
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm way out of the hole with techs and churning them out pretty quickly. It would be nice if one of you guys would take over navy for me so I can go to democracy for awhile and get all the modern techs
12:28 <spidey> i was playing on another server that had it
12:29 <spidey> fundamentlism = money out the ass and good for troop
12:29 <spidey> troops
12:29 <Vanhayes> I could probly take navy if I got that porugese city I was going for, or at least one of them
12:29 <Vanhayes> spidey: its probly in a mod pack
12:30 <GodTodd> it's in the civ2 ruleset
12:31 <spidey> sure is
12:31 <spidey> flags = "No_Unhappy_Citizens", "Convert_Tithes_To_Money",
12:31 <spidey> "Reduced_Research", "Fanatic_Troops"
12:31 <spidey> though it does suck for science
12:31 <spidey> heh
12:31 <spidey> good for war though
12:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to have bombers and tanks to throw at the spanish when I start campaigning against them
12:31 <GodTodd> i always use fundy for my government when warring in civ2
12:32 <spidey> same
12:32 <Vanhayes> havent played civ2
12:32 <GodTodd> and by then i'm usually at future tech 5 or so so the reduced tech doesn't bother me ;)
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to outpace the spanish for technology, too, so hopefully the delay won't kill us
12:32 <Vanhayes> have civ3 though, cant remember when i downloaded that one
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh. well, I'd go to democracy now, but all the ironclads will screw me
12:33 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't like civ3 as much...tho i haven't played it much either heh
12:33 <Vanhayes> well the portugese are basically done
12:33 <spidey> GodTodd i haven't played civ3 once
12:33 <spidey> i think i'ma download it
12:33 <GodTodd> my ex bought it...i stole it after she left
12:34 <GodTodd> :)
12:34 <Vanhayes> lol
12:34 <spidey> hahaha
12:34 <Vanhayes> I downloaded it a long time ago, I remember it was quick
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> I could go to democracy and provide transports
12:34 <spidey> speaking of ex,
12:34 <spidey> melanie: Pj you here?
12:34 <spidey> melanie: Wake your bitch ass up
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if I'm not in bed in the next half hour, I'm not getting to sleep until well after the sun comes up
12:34 <spidey> wtf!
12:34 <spidey> -_-
12:36 <Vanhayes> hmm I like the look of the new beta for freeciv but it is way too slow for me
12:36 <spidey> they got some serious problems to workout
12:36 <spidey> me and mom crash all the time
12:36 <Vanhayes> well I crash quite abit too
12:36 <Vanhayes> with the stable right?
12:36 <spidey> ya
12:37 <Vanhayes> ya same here then
12:37 <spidey> i told the devs when i was playing a game with them
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> mine never crashes
12:37 <spidey> because it crashed then
12:37 <spidey> they just said "lol"
12:37 <Vanhayes> the beta makes it way too slow to play with more than 10 units per person
12:37 <Vanhayes> how did you know they were devs?
12:38 <spidey> book
12:38 <spidey> gn
12:38 <spidey> yaros
12:38 <spidey> andrew(acts like tna's imposter)
12:38 <spidey> etc
12:39 <spidey> plus they where talking about putting there patches in svn, i don't think anyone besides devs have access do they?
12:39 <spidey> and fixing bugs in there part..
12:39 <Vanhayes> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Special:People well there is the huge list of people
12:41 <spidey> doesn't tell the names they use in the game O.o
12:41 <spidey> # Philip Patterson : booktinker_at_gmail.com
12:41 <spidey> i'm guessing that's book
12:56 <GodTodd> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Introduction_to_Freeciv#Winning_strategy I'ma try a local game with that blueprint and see if it works ;)
12:56 <Vanhayes> is that the smallpox one?
12:56 <GodTodd> nope
12:56 <spidey> ?
12:58 <spidey> cpu usage setting at 30% and i don't know why
12:58 <Vanhayes> meh I dont really want to follow set pattern or stategy, that takes alot of the fun out of it
13:00 <spidey> i follow a set patter
13:00 <spidey> 1
13:00 <spidey> make 10-12 cities
13:00 <spidey> 2
13:00 <spidey> make sure they're in a good spot for trade/science
13:00 <GodTodd> defend them
13:00 <spidey> 3 make city walls in all of them
13:00 <spidey> 4 research gunpowder and put muskets in all of them
13:01 <spidey> then i research republic and rapture, then i build a barracks and disban my old units and rebuild them
13:01 <spidey> so they're vet's
13:01 <spidey> then i just go with it from there
13:01 <GodTodd> hmmm....i'm not sure how i got into a local game with 12 ais
13:02 <GodTodd> :/
13:02 <Vanhayes> what exactaly does rapture do?
13:02 <spidey> makes cities grow extremely fast
13:02 <spidey> by 1000bc i can have a few cities at size 8
13:02 <spidey> rapture works best in democracy though
13:03 <spidey> though it's expensive to keep a government in republic after most of them reach size 8
13:03 <spidey> that's about the time i'm ready for war
13:04 <spidey> i don't just build my cities anywhere and really close, i keep the 4 tiles away from eachother and in good spots
13:04 <spidey> each city uses 2tiles in everydirection :/
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it can use 2 tiles in every direction
13:05 <wrtlprnft> it needs to be pretty big to use all of them
13:05 <spidey> yea
13:05 <spidey> i don't let mine get over 15
13:05 <spidey> but i like 8 better
13:06 <Vanhayes> well at first I was using something close to smallpox which got me at least 100 points ahead of anyone else but that got boring
13:06 <spidey> pots doesn't matter
13:06 <spidey> points doesn't matter
13:06 <Vanhayes> so now its just building a good amount
13:06 <Vanhayes> points win if you arent dead
13:06 <spidey> if you can't defend all the cities you got, then you're gonna get owned
13:07 <Vanhayes> plus it gets you science and prod up very fast
13:07 <spidey> i like to dig in really deep and let everyone come attack me :)
13:07 <Vanhayes> so spidey wrtlprnft GodTodd luke-jr_ Lucifer_arma want to play?
13:07 <spidey> like i said
13:07 <spidey> if you can't defend it, it's worthless
13:07 <Vanhayes> the last two probly not
13:07 <Vanhayes> not really
13:08 <spidey> and if you're using all your production on offensive units
13:08 <GodTodd> i would but i have to drop a rugrat at school in an hour or so
13:08 <Vanhayes> ah ok
13:08 <spidey> all someone has to do is make a small invasion unit and take you over
13:08 <Vanhayes> spidey: take over 60 some?
13:08 <spidey> assuming you have 60 some
13:08 <spidey> but
13:08 <spidey> when you lose a city
13:08 <Vanhayes> that is what smallpox is
13:08 <spidey> all the units it produced are no more
13:08 <Vanhayes> 60 is low for smallpox
13:09 <spidey> not even if you regain it
13:09 <spidey> your tatics are sloppy
13:09 <Vanhayes> well small pox is what most people actually use
13:09 <spidey> you don't really apply to defense first
13:09 <Vanhayes> I dont use it anymore it was too boring
13:09 <Vanhayes> wasnt very fun
13:10 <GodTodd> how you use smallpox?
13:10 <spidey> so, if somoone your attacking manages to get a few combat units out and headed your way, your skrewed unless you can take all there cities before they get to you
13:10 <Vanhayes> make every city you have make setlers and dont let them grow above 2-3
13:10 <GodTodd> hmmm
13:10 <spidey> ugh
13:11 <Vanhayes> and space thme 1 or 2 spaces apart
13:11 <spidey> production and science isn't high at 2-3
13:11 <Vanhayes> 2-3 times at least 60
13:11 <spidey> you'll get maybe 12 science points per city or 4-5 production
13:11 <Vanhayes> times 60
13:11 <spidey> so
13:11 <Vanhayes> #g 12*60
13:11 <armabot> 12 * 60 = 720
13:12 <Vanhayes> small pox is all about taking people out fast
13:12 <spidey> by the time you defend the cities there won't be enough sheilds left for offensive units
13:12 <Vanhayes> you dont defend
13:12 <spidey> then you lose
13:12 <Vanhayes> and if someone takes the city it doesnt matter cause it is more of a burden on them
13:12 <GodTodd> not if you take them out before they defend
13:13 <Vanhayes> but unlees you are doing the same thing you cant have more prod/science than them
13:13 <spidey> GodTodd, my main priority is defense :)
13:13 <Vanhayes> well its apparently what everyone does on real server games, which sounds very boring
13:13 <wrtlprnft> nothing's better than a city with 70 production :P
13:14 <Vanhayes> 30 with 5?
13:14 <spidey> no
13:14 <wrtlprnft> transform all land around the city to hills with mines and grassland with farms
13:14 <spidey> because a few cities with high production can spit out more in a few turns
13:15 <Vanhayes> than 60 can??
13:15 <Vanhayes> 60 being the lowest
13:15 <wrtlprnft> grassland with farm and road = 4 food, 2 trade
13:15 <Vanhayes> usually like 150-200
13:15 <wrtlprnft> hills with mine and rail = 4 shield, 1 food
13:18 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
13:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
13:19 <Vanhayes> so wrtlprnft spidey want to play a game?
13:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, 60 cities can spit out 60 units, but it takes a loooong time to build them
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> and they'll usually not be veteran units because no time to build barracks, and the upkeep would kill you anyway
13:20 <Lucifer_arma> #night
13:20 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
13:20 <Vanhayes> well anyway it seems that there is a debate between the two strategys
13:20 <Vanhayes> smallpox and largepox
13:23 <Vanhayes> so wrtlprnft spidey want to play a game?
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13:29 <spidey> ..
13:29 <spidey> ya
13:29 <spidey> had to put this cream thing the vet gave me for one of my dogs eye in it
13:29 <spidey> and feed them
13:30 <spidey> well
13:30 <spidey> i'm mediumpx
13:30 <spidey> :p
13:30 <spidey> i like to keep my cities at size 8
13:30 <spidey> that's about medium
13:31 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: sorry, no
13:31 <spidey> though if there's large production involved, sometimes i will let one grow above 8
13:31 <wrtlprnft> those games just take to long
13:31 <wrtlprnft> *too
13:31 <spidey> lol
13:31 <Vanhayes> hmm thats true
13:31 <Vanhayes> actualy nvrm ill play later, cant commit the time atm
13:32 <wrtlprnft> well, i can always bail out of an arma game if i need to
13:32 <spidey> -_-
13:32 <wrtlprnft> but it's harder to do in freeciv
13:32 <Vanhayes> yes
13:32 <wrtlprnft> sitting there for hours gives me a headache
13:32 <wrtlprnft> trying to decipher that tiny console font too
13:32 <spidey> i set here for hours anyways
13:32 <Vanhayes> cause with arma you at least one or lost a few times, with freeciv its 5 hours then you give up and its all for nothing
13:33 <Vanhayes> won*
13:33 <spidey> Vanhayes, nah
13:33 <Vanhayes> unless you have a save game
13:33 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma , me played a game in about 7-8 hours i think
13:33 <spidey> finished it
13:33 <Vanhayes> spidey you and luci played for over 16 hours
13:33 <spidey> no
13:33 <spidey> not that time
13:33 <spidey> another time
13:33 <Vanhayes> lol ok sry
13:33 <spidey> when it was only Lucifer_arma, GodTodd, and me
13:34 <spidey> because everyone else didn't want to
13:34 <Vanhayes> i like saving it and coming back to it
13:34 <Vanhayes> the one we are playing now its a really good one
13:36 <spidey> Shutting server...
13:36 <spidey> Exception EAccessViolation in module soldatserver at 08059035.
13:36 <spidey> Access violation at address 0807F248, accessing address 00000000.
13:36 <spidey> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
13:36 <spidey> -_-
13:36 <spidey> appearently he fucked the server itself
13:37 <spidey> now i'ma have to reupload
13:37 <spidey> :/
13:37 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html/soldat]# rm -r anims/
13:37 <spidey> rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `anims/': Permission denied
13:37 <spidey> eh
13:37 <spidey> ahahaha
13:41 <spidey> acid@server [~/public_html]# wget
13:41 <spidey> grr
13:43 <spidey> hmm
13:43 <spidey> next time i use unzip i'm disabling console output
13:43 <spidey> o.o i think i broke it
13:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft unzip isn't supposed to show alot of ascii chars while unzipping is it?
13:50 <wrtlprnft> umm
13:50 <wrtlprnft> never used unzip :P
13:50 <wrtlprnft> or, not very often at least
13:50 <wrtlprnft> it is a bit verbose
13:50 <spidey> when i used unzip -p ( extract) it showed it encrypted
13:51 <spidey> -p extract files to pipe, no messages
13:51 <spidey> it's not supposed to show anything
13:52 <wrtlprnft> well
13:52 <wrtlprnft> if you use -p it will output all the files (their contents) to stdout
13:52 <wrtlprnft> and if you have binary files it will show you their contents
13:52 <spidey> -_-
13:52 <wrtlprnft> AFAIK you can just say unzip some.zip
13:53 <spidey> unzip file -d dir
14:30 <spidey> well
14:30 <spidey> depends on how this goes, but i might not be back for atleast 1 1/2 weeks :/
14:53 <spidey> haha
14:54 <spidey> i got this litter heart that beats on my taskbar, when my cpu usage is low it's a full heart, when it's being used it beats but gets smaller the more cpu cycle i use
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15:28 <spidey> well
15:28 <spidey> it's a bit harder than i thought :/
15:28 <ghableska> O_o
15:28 <spidey> was gonna display systeminfo on my desktop using registry entries
15:28 <spidey> but it didn't go so well
15:28 <spidey> :(
15:28 <ghableska> :(
15:29 <spidey> hmm
15:29 <spidey> my soldat server's really popular
15:30 <spidey> 1 hour since i got it working again, and it's already full
15:30 <spidey> 23 people O.o
15:30 <ghableska> :O
15:30 <spidey> heh
15:30 <spidey> and tons more trying to connect
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6106 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (MacOS/Rakefile src/tools/tRuby.cpp src/tools/tRuby.h):
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: - Moved GetExceptionInfo out of Sandbox.
16:18 <armabot> armagetronad: - Throw runtime_error on require failure
16:46 <spidey> hmm
16:46 <spidey> i'm bored
16:46 <spidey> i'ma make a desktopsite
16:46 <spidey> heh
16:46 <spidey> maybe
16:46 <spidey> i'll have to install php the way i wanna do it -_-
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17:12 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes_
17:12 <DrJoeTron> spidey
17:13 <DrJoeTron> you might wanna check out Fear combar
17:13 <DrJoeTron> combat*
17:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
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17:38 <spidey> 97 movies and i've seen them all so many times i'm sicks of them :/
17:45 <spidey> o.o
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17:56 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma
17:56 <spidey> 'er
17:56 <spidey> luke-jr_, luke-jr_ luke-jr_
18:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, he won't give us the source, but he'll compile a version for us with that command disabled, it'll only read from the soldat.ini and you'll have to make it read-only
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20:02 <luke-jr_> spidey: that doesn't address the security holes
20:02 <spidey> ?
20:08 <luke-jr_> the one used to hack your old server
20:26 <spidey> that was a bruteforce that crashed the server
20:27 <spidey> it was some permissions why i couldn't get it started again
20:27 <spidey> but he's compiling one for us
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20:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, wanna play freeciv?
20:31 <luke-jr_> no, sorry
20:31 <luke-jr_> busy
20:31 <luke-jr_> a bruteforce can't crash a server
20:31 <spidey> it can
20:31 <luke-jr_> and a bruteforce can't work with a good password
20:32 <spidey> if the server overloads the server it's hosted on
20:32 <luke-jr_> that wouldn't have permenant damage
20:32 <spidey> it didn't
20:32 <luke-jr_> it did
20:32 <spidey> i fucked the permissions up
20:32 <luke-jr_> o
20:32 <spidey> because i had to make it a executable to get it to run
20:33 <spidey> then i changed something and...
20:33 <luke-jr_> see what he says if we need it for x86_32, ppc_64, and sparc_64 =p
20:33 <spidey> do we?
20:34 <luke-jr_> he doesn't know we don't
20:34 <spidey> lol
20:34 <luke-jr_> and he won't be able to just compile one for them
20:34 <spidey>
20:34 <spidey> From : Michal Marcinkowski <michal.marcinkowski@gmail.com>
20:34 <spidey> Sent : Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:30 PM
20:34 <spidey> To : "P.J. Noble" <xlllspiderlllx@hotmail.com>
20:34 <spidey> Subject : Re: Hi
20:34 <spidey>
20:34 <spidey>
20:34 <spidey> Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox
20:34 <spidey> oh, sorry I didn't understand. I could compile a version for you which has that command disabled. When do you need it? Other server hosters don't use that limit, they just trust the client.
20:35 <luke-jr_> right... because all clients teach their admins about hosting rules =p
20:35 <spidey> hahaha
20:35 <spidey> that's true in my case :/
20:35 <spidey> only i haven't told them
20:38 <spidey> now
20:38 <spidey> if you want to do it
20:38 <spidey> you'll have to beat these prices
20:39 <deja_vu> spidey:
20:39 <deja_vu> ;)
20:39 <spidey> deja_vu,
20:39 <spidey> you beat me to it :(
20:40 <deja_vu> i haven't started beating anyone ...
20:40 <spidey> ...
20:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: what prices?
20:41 <spidey> $1.50 for a public server
20:41 <spidey> $1.00 for a private server
20:41 <spidey> per slot
20:42 <spidey> i'm trying to find the sites,hold on -_-
20:43 <luke-jr_> hope it doesn't use much bw
20:43 <luke-jr_> wtf is the diff between public and private
20:43 <spidey> private is a passworded server
20:43 <luke-jr_> I'd think a private server would cost more per slot because you're more likely to use them all
20:43 <spidey> public is they have the option to make it have a game password or not
20:43 <spidey> no...
20:44 <luke-jr_> anyway, it's not enough to limit MaxClients to soldats.ini either
20:44 <luke-jr_> it should be read from the service configuration =p
20:45 <spidey> do you want me to email him back and tell him nevermind?
20:45 <spidey> hosting was never my idea, i'm getting a dedicated server so i can run soldatservers for my own use
20:45 <spidey> plus whatever else i wanna run on it -_-
20:46 <spidey> i think you got the i wanted to start hosting them, because i asked you if i could change my service :p
22:05 <spidey> if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100
22:09 <Proclus> 162
22:09 <spidey> o.o
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22:09 <spidey> i need a bigger monitor
22:10 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*100*100/1
22:10 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 1) = 30,012
22:10 <Proclus> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:10 <spidey> 17" @ 1280x1024 isn't enough room -_-
22:10 <Vanhayes> hmm if 100=200 than it would be:
22:10 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:10 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:11 <spidey> no
22:11 <Vanhayes> yes cause 1+100+200
22:11 <Proclus> its 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162 def
22:11 <Vanhayes> er
22:11 <Vanhayes> 1=100=200*
22:11 <spidey> #12+3*100*100/200
22:11 <spidey> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:11 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:11 <Vanhayes> not by those rules
22:11 <Proclus> yep
22:11 <Vanhayes> 100=200
22:11 <Vanhayes> so any 100=200
22:11 <spidey> duh
22:12 <Vanhayes> so ther is no 100
22:12 <spidey> and 1 = 100
22:12 <spidey> read dude
22:12 <Vanhayes> and 100=200
22:12 <Vanhayes> so 1=200
22:12 <Proclus> there only 100 right at the end so its /200
22:12 <spidey> yea
22:12 <GodTodd> hayes: then you'd have to keep re-switching the 12 and 3 ;)
22:12 <Vanhayes> but 1=100 and any 100=200 so 1=200
22:12 <Proclus> so i was right all alon with 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:13 <spidey> yes hayes
22:13 <spidey> you're wrong :p
22:13 <Proclus> me?
22:13 <spidey> no
22:13 <Vanhayes> no cause im only switching everything once
22:13 <GodTodd> no you're not
22:13 <spidey> you switched 1 twice
22:13 <GodTodd> you've got a second equation that you are applying the rules to
22:13 <spidey> get it right :p
22:14 <Vanhayes> im switching the 1 to 100 and the 100 to 200 because it says any 100=200
22:14 <GodTodd> that's the second equation tho
22:14 <Vanhayes> ive switched 1 once
22:14 <GodTodd> so you need to apply all rules again
22:14 <Vanhayes> its still the same equation just another step to it
22:14 <GodTodd> not at all
22:15 <Proclus> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162 do i need to apply the rules to this aswell? Do i apply the rules once or more times?
22:15 <GodTodd> exactly
22:15 <Vanhayes> well first it goes 12+3*100*100/200
22:15 <GodTodd> hayes: you are taking that equation above and reapplying the rules
22:15 <Vanhayes> but then every 100+200
22:15 <Vanhayes> 100=200*
22:15 <GodTodd> so then reswitch the 12 and 3
22:16 <spidey> i didn't say EVERY 100=200
22:16 <Vanhayes> it says 100+200
22:16 <Vanhayes> \damnit 100=200
22:16 <Proclus> this is waht you said ( so i dont have to scrolll up to have another look)" if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100"
22:16 <spidey> yes, in the equation i gave
22:17 <Vanhayes> you cant just pick wich 100 that applies to
22:17 <spidey> duh
22:17 <Vanhayes> so every 100 is affected
22:17 <spidey> no
22:17 <GodTodd> substitute letters: w=12, x=3, y=100 and z=200
22:17 <GodTodd> now do it :)
22:18 <spidey> see :p
22:18 <Proclus> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:18 <GodTodd> ^^^
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22:18 <spidey> i was wanting luke-jr_ to do what hayes did -_-
22:18 <ghableska> hello
22:18 <Vanhayes> well i read it as every 1 or 100+200
22:19 <spidey> you read it wrong :p
22:19 <Vanhayes> damnit ======
22:19 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
22:19 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes, spidey
22:19 <spidey> who's ghableska ?
22:19 <Vanhayes> lol
22:19 <ghableska> :P
22:19 <spidey> :D
22:20 <Vanhayes> #gif 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/10
22:20 <Vanhayes> #g if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/10
22:20 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:20 <ghableska> O_o
22:20 <Vanhayes> didnt expect muh
22:20 <Vanhayes> much*
22:21 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:21 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:23 <spidey> well hayes
22:23 <spidey> if you go by those rules
22:23 <spidey> there is no answer
22:23 <spidey> 3 is 12 and 12 is 3
22:23 <spidey> you wouldn't be able to get past there
22:23 <Vanhayes> no...
22:23 <spidey> yess
22:23 <Vanhayes> first step is
22:23 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:24 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:24 <spidey> no
22:24 <Vanhayes> then you do the second step
22:24 <Vanhayes> #g 12+3*200*200/200
22:24 <GodTodd> nope
22:24 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 612
22:24 <spidey> dude
22:24 <GodTodd> then it'd be #g 3+12*200*200/200
22:24 <spidey> by that rule you'd have to change the 3 and 12 around everytime
22:25 <spidey> o.o
22:25 <spidey> i hurt my brain
22:25 <spidey> ok
22:25 <spidey> well you changed the 100's to 200 right?
22:25 <spidey> you'd have to change the 12 and 3 again aswell
22:26 <Vanhayes> why would you have to do that?
22:26 <spidey> #g 3+12*200*200/200
22:26 <armabot> 3 + ((12 * 200 * 200) / 200) = 2,403
22:27 <GodTodd> cuz you have to apply the rules evenly
22:27 <spidey> because 12 = 3 and 3 = 12
22:27 <GodTodd> you can't pick and choose
22:27 <spidey> exactly
22:27 <GodTodd> you're applying the 100=200 rule and ignoring the 3=12 and 12=3 rules
22:28 <Vanhayes> but that is already dne all 12 are equal to 3 and all 3 equal to 12
22:28 <Vanhayes> done*
22:28 <GodTodd> ok then the 100s don't change
22:28 <spidey> so is 1 to 100
22:28 <GodTodd> right
22:28 <Vanhayes> but 100 isnt equal to 200
22:28 <GodTodd> any more application of rules means they all have to be done again
22:28 <Vanhayes> that is unfinished
22:28 <spidey> then 12 isn't equal to 3
22:29 <spidey> but 3 isn't equal to 12 either is it?
22:29 <spidey> :)
22:29 <Vanhayes> bah you should have used variables anyway
22:29 <spidey> lol
22:29 <Vanhayes> x y z and all that
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22:30 <joda_bot> hi
22:30 <GodTodd> w=12, x=3, y=100, z=200; w+x*y*y/z; 12+3*100*100/200
22:30 <GodTodd> there :P
22:30 <spidey> hahaha
22:30 <spidey> still the same
22:30 <ghableska> hi joda_bot
22:30 <Vanhayes> but that isnt the same equation
22:30 <spidey> variables don't matter
22:30 <joda_bot> hi ghableska
22:30 <Vanhayes> hi joda_bot
22:30 <joda_bot> was anyone at 2020 meeting ?
22:30 <Vanhayes> ?
22:30 <spidey> ?
22:30 <ghableska> 2020 had to leave
22:31 <GodTodd> it's exactly the same....the one before just used numbers as variables as well
22:31 <ghableska> sorry
22:31 <ghableska>
22:31 <ghableska> got caught up with moving
22:31 <ghableska> family
22:31 <ghableska> the lovely lady in my life
22:31 <ghableska> and just couldnt make it
22:31 <ghableska>
22:31 <ghableska> i do apologise
22:31 <joda_bot> oh, ok... I was at my sisters fixing her pc
22:31 <ghableska> and i hope it wasn't a major inconvenience
22:31 <ghableska>
22:31 <ghableska> will hope to be in contact soon
22:31 <ghableska> sometime when i land in malta
22:31 <ghableska>
22:31 <ghableska>
22:31 <ghableska> hold the line
22:31 <Vanhayes> lol
22:31 <ghableska> 2020
22:31 <ghableska> heh
22:31 <ghableska> I woke up too late :P
22:31 <ghableska> grr, have to wake up at 7 tomorrow
22:32 <spidey> i have to wakeup at 6 every morning
22:32 <ghableska> :P
22:32 <spidey> so i sleep during the day and wakeup at night
22:32 <ghableska> heh
22:32 <ghableska> nocturnal spidey
22:32 <Vanhayes> lol
22:32 <spidey> which reminds me
22:32 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: wrtlprnft: I have a question about all those boost headers required for trunk compile.
22:32 <spidey> why am i still awake
22:32 <spidey> :/
22:33 <GodTodd> blame the equation, spidey ;)
22:33 <spidey> no
22:33 <spidey> i came up with that 10 minutes ago
22:33 <spidey> i'm bored
22:33 <ghableska> sleep :P
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22:33 <GodTodd> so go to sleep
22:33 <GodTodd> geez
22:33 <GodTodd> heh
22:33 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm herre
22:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: ;)
22:33 <wrtlprnft> but don't expect me to know a lot
22:34 <wrtlprnft> afaik you only really need the headers, not the actual compiled binaries
22:34 <wrtlprnft> since all we use is templates
22:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Np, it's just a basic question if I'm exspected to just add the whole boost headers to win_libs or if we'll cut down on boost usuage ?
22:34 <spidey> here
22:34 <spidey> lets let wrtl decide
22:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft, if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100
22:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the headers alone are about 20MB
22:34 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:35 <wrtlprnft> just add the stuff we're using i'd say
22:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 42
22:35 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: So it won't make any sense to move the boost headers into armagetron source for all platforms
22:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft, how do you work it?
22:35 <Vanhayes> lol
22:36 <Vanhayes> answer to everything is 42
22:36 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: just add the stuff we're using is about 2h of work
22:36 <spidey> -_-
22:36 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: because the headers are all interrelated
22:36 <joda_bot> it's really nasty
22:36 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure that somewhere along the prohability axis the answer to that will be 42
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22:36 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: then add everything I guess
22:37 <Vanhayes> meh spidey your equation is a never ending cycle then
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22:37 <spidey> Vanhayes, make up your mind
22:37 * wrtlprnft is still wondering if boost was a good idea after all
22:37 <Vanhayes> 12=3 3=12 12=3 3=12 12=3
22:37 <joda_bot> my proposal would be to keep boost header usuage to a minimum or just declare the whole boost header as a dependency
22:38 <spidey> Vanhayes, you said that was wrong
22:38 <wrtlprnft> i mean, it's nice and working and so on, but it's really huge
22:38 <joda_bot> yeah
22:38 <Vanhayes> well Im going by your thinking on my thinking there
22:38 <Vanhayes> my aswer is still 600 something
22:38 <wrtlprnft> if Vanhayes is spidey and luke-jr_ is deja_vu, what's Lucifer_arma + guru3?
22:38 <joda_bot> ok, I'll try to get the trunk to compile ...
22:38 <spidey> lol
22:39 <joda_bot> then I'll fix my pending bugs
22:39 <GodTodd> hayes: think of it this way...the first numbers in the equalities HAVE to be variables
22:39 <joda_bot> (probably will have to do that tomorrow)
22:39 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma+ guru3 + wrtlprnft
22:39 <spidey> hmm
22:39 <spidey> wait
22:39 <Vanhayes> ya well that equation is poorly made and now Im not sure if there is a definnite answer to it
22:39 <spidey> i got it
22:39 <spidey> hold on
22:39 <Vanhayes> damnit
22:39 <wrtlprnft> #eightball if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100?
22:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: It is so.
22:40 <wrtlprnft> there you go
22:40 <spidey> we'll let a script answer it :p
22:40 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma+ guru3 =wrtlprnft*
22:40 <wrtlprnft> armabot knows everything
22:40 <ghableska> heh
22:40 <Vanhayes> if 3 is 12 and 12 is 3 and 1 is 100 and 100 is 200 what is 3+12*1*1/100= so
22:40 <wrtlprnft> not so, 50!
22:40 <Vanhayes> cant arguing with that answer
22:40 <Vanhayes> lol
22:41 <spidey> lol
22:42 <Vanhayes> spidey: somehow a script made to find the answer of the question by the same guy who made the question might be a little biased
22:42 <spidey> fine
22:42 <spidey> wrtlprnft, make a quick math script :p
22:44 -!- GodTodd is now known as MathScript
22:44 <MathScript> #g 12+3*100*100/200
22:44 <armabot> 12 + ((3 * 100 * 100) / 200) = 162
22:44 <spidey> lol
22:44 -!- MathScript is now known as GodTodd
22:44 <GodTodd> there
22:44 <GodTodd> :P
22:44 <ghableska> hehe
22:44 -!- Vanhayes is now known as Stupidest
22:45 <Stupidest> er
22:45 -!- Stupidest is now known as Vanhayes
22:45 <GodTodd> heh if the shoe fits ;)
22:45 <GodTodd> haha
22:45 <Vanhayes> seems to be a limit on name length
22:45 <GodTodd> yeah
22:45 <GodTodd> 9 or 10 i think
22:46 -!- You're now known as abcdefghijklmnop
22:46 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
22:46 <GodTodd> ahhh 16 cool
22:46 <GodTodd> :)
22:46 <wrtlprnft> ;)=
22:47 <wrtlprnft> s/=//
22:54 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:54 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:59 <joda_bot> gn8 wrtlprnft
23:05 <spidey> Vanhayes, GodTodd freeciv? :p
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23:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: why not reinstall and reconfigure it on the webserver?
23:18 <spidey> huh?
23:19 <luke-jr_> soldats
23:20 <spidey> you don't install it...
23:20 <spidey> you just extract and run
23:24 <guru3> soldats
23:24 <guru3> isn't that a release group?
23:25 <spidey> no?
23:25 <spidey> it's a game
23:25 <guru3> ah right
23:25 <guru3> that too
23:28 <spidey> well
23:28 <spidey> the game is "soldat" dunno why luke keeps saying soldats :p
23:29 <guru3> http://a.scarywater.net/soldats/
23:29 <luke-jr_> so reconfigure it if it's a configuration problem
23:29 <guru3> that may be why
23:29 <guru3> at least that's what i think of
23:29 <luke-jr_> Soldats is a illuminati-type organization from Noir =p
23:29 <luke-jr_> so there
23:29 <guru3> heh
23:29 <guru3> it's like asking what is a pluton
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00:03 <DrJoeTron> soldat sucks
00:05 <spidey> joe sucks
00:06 <DrJoeTron> damn good
00:06 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:06 <DrJoeTron> so cypher dos'd my website
00:06 <DrJoeTron> he managed to suck a gig out of bandwidth
00:06 <DrJoeTron> not even
00:06 <DrJoeTron> 714mb used
00:06 <DrJoeTron> out of 2500 :D
00:15 <spidey> haha
00:15 <spidey> who's cypher?
00:15 <spidey> he can dos my site all he wants, my host doesn't meter my bandwith
00:15 <spidey> cpanel tells me so :)
00:16 <spidey> my bandwith usage has been at "0" for 2 months
00:27 <DrJoeTron> some adorable stalker
00:27 <DrJoeTron> of mine
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i think he fucked my site up too
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i cant access some directories
00:29 <DrJoeTron> anymore
00:29 <DrJoeTron> but can be accessed through FTP
00:35 <DrJoeTron> spidey http://www.joinfear.com/main?act=register1
00:37 <Vanhayes> spidey: ill probly wait to play that saved game that we've been playing for a few days whenever we do
00:44 <spidey> i'm already in a game
00:47 <spidey> Vanhayes,
00:47 <spidey> wanna play?
00:47 <spidey> there's a place open
00:47 <spidey> and i hate the AI
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to get electricity next so my ironclads will upgrade
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's either that or I have to double the number of ironclads needed to intercept any spanish ships headed towards me
01:43 <Vanhayes> so do you want to play soon?
01:44 <Vanhayes> The spaish have rifle men too now, seems they have more techs than we do
01:44 <spidey> gay
01:44 <Vanhayes> ?
01:44 <spidey> i'm playing with this guy right
01:45 <spidey> he said we'd ally and play against a hard ai
01:45 <spidey> so i was defending my eastern sea bord
01:45 <spidey> fucker attacked from the west
01:45 <spidey> so i pulled a little trickery now the AI is at experimental, the hardest level
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01:45 <spidey> but he took my production cities -_-
01:45 <Vanhayes> wow thats lame, when you say its 2 vs ai then it should be 2 vs ai
01:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: ?
01:46 <spidey> he won't take the eastern seabord
01:46 <joda_bot> hi, I just have a question about this ? ;)
01:46 <spidey> that's for damn sure
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: `random' was not declared in this scope
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: template argument 2 is invalid
01:46 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:76: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
01:46 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 14 seconds)
01:46 <spidey> it's full of vet riflemen
01:46 <spidey> and i mean full of them
01:46 <joda_bot> #ping luke ;)
01:46 <armabot> pong
01:46 <Vanhayes> lol
01:46 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Juhu ?
01:47 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: I need some help fixing this for the windows build of trunk ?
01:47 <Vanhayes> spidey: it would be perfectly fine him turning on you if it was all humans though
01:49 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: ok, temporaryly fixed by commenting line 76 ;)
01:49 <spidey> it's not
01:49 <spidey> he said us vs AI
01:49 <ghableska> hmmm
01:49 <spidey> so i defend the eatern side because that's where the ai was attacking
01:49 <ghableska> http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/black.html
01:49 <spidey> west almost undefended
01:52 <spidey> hahaha
01:52 <spidey> he saw how heavily defended the east was, and decided for a peace
01:52 <spidey> i got my cities back plus all the units he had inside them
01:52 <spidey> lots of elites o.o
02:00 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: ...
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02:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, serves him right
02:05 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: So what should I do ?
02:06 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: do you remember what you wanted to talk to me about ?
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> nah, and whatever it was has expired by now :)
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: I don't think the ai is more advanced than us anymore, but when we start up again, you should get espionage from me, build some spies, then go steal tech from him until you're even with him
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> but no sharing with me! If I have to take the penalty again we might be screwed
02:11 <Lucifer_arma> I figure I'm going for tanks and planes, then I'll start working on my campaign against him
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe go for some real artillery instead of cannons
02:12 <Vanhayes> ok
02:13 <Vanhayes> can spys be used against democracy?
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> but I want electricity next so my ironclads can upgrade, makes the blockade cheaper to run
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you just cna't incite a revolt
02:13 <Lucifer_arma> but you can have them take out city walls and coastal defense :)
02:13 <Vanhayes> heh ya that will be nice
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if you get communism from me, your spies will all be veterans when built
02:14 <Vanhayes> kill some units too
02:14 <Vanhayes> hmm what is the mian difference between communism and monarchy?
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> tax rate, mostly. you can have 80% tax in communism
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> then the number of workers affected by units in the city for happiness computations is 2 instead of 1
02:15 <Vanhayes> ya that shouldnt effect anything negitivly then
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> and spies are veterans
02:15 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma: What port does the shttpd.c Server use ?
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's a hit on food production
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: 4550 by default
02:15 <joda_bot> ok
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> after I switched to monarchy two of my cities started starving, I'm going to need to build harbors there to take care of it
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> er, switched from monarchy to communism
02:16 <Vanhayes> Im pretty good for city improvements
02:16 <Vanhayes> plus pyramids help with the food
02:16 <spidey> -_-
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> I've got mines out the ass, and I'm putting out 3 new cannons every 2 turns, and I built a bunch of factories
02:16 <spidey> man
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> electricity lets me build power plants, right?
02:16 <spidey> i'm glad he made peace
02:16 <Vanhayes> I think so
02:16 <spidey> the americans are attacking left and right
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> and leonardo's workshop is keeping my units upgraded ;)
02:17 <Vanhayes> spidey maybe change the ai back?
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> so in a bit all my musketeers will be riflemen
02:17 <Vanhayes> nice didnt know we had riflemen
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> we do now :)
02:17 <Vanhayes> so when do you want to start?
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> still have to give you conscription, the ai wouldn't accept any treaties, but it wouldn't break them either
02:17 <spidey> he's at novice!
02:18 <Vanhayes> and how wil take TNA's spot this time?
02:18 <spidey> when you starting?
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> the ai was doing ok last time with his stuff
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, not yet, it's still a few hours away
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> we're just chatting
02:18 <Vanhayes> nice so you guys didnt screw too much up then I hope
02:18 <spidey> k
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> no, me and luke made some real progress
02:18 <spidey> i will if i'm not still in this one
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I took Leiria finally, which gives me a good forward naval base when I get it built up
02:19 <Vanhayes> ya I was about to take one portuegese city on my own and one with you
02:19 <Vanhayes> that was leiria I think
02:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, all I had left was infantry to support you, I stopped staging in luke's city and started staging in vitoria
02:20 <Vanhayes> ya I liked victoria's placement
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> so I've got a few cannons in there, and after I get some riflemen i'll start trying to advance on the spaniards.
02:20 <Vanhayes> glad I stole that one
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm setting all my cannons there to auto-attack, too, so they're helping defend it while I stage
02:20 <Lucifer_arma> auto-attack + railroads is an awesome defense
02:21 <Vanhayes> unless my ai changed production I should have alot more troops
02:21 <Vanhayes> or if it did change it then I have a ton of settelers
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> looks like he started building alpines. I hate to admit, but I've been wanting alpines something fierce in this terrain
02:21 <Vanhayes> yes the movement helps alot
02:21 <Vanhayes> all mountains and hills
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> good skirmishers, but I don't think there's going to be room for skirmishers in the spanish territory
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> alpines will still work as a good infantry unit out there
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> send in the alpines to fortify, then bring in the cannons behind them
02:22 <Vanhayes> ya we wont need too many, it is mostly roads past victoria
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably going to be knife-fighting all the way anyway. The problem going agianst a smallpox civilization is that there's no front you can fortify in the field
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> the front is a line of cities :/
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> I took out a barb caravel, though :)
02:24 <Vanhayes> lol nice, is there alot of barbarians?
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> there's a few, not terrible yet
02:24 <Lucifer_arma> luke's starting to pee his pants again, but a couple of musketeers and an auto-attack cannon are enough to protect against them
02:24 <DrJoeTron> wow, fear would be a lot cooler if i had a better video card
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> the spaniards have been trying to get a beachhead in my territory but my cannons have been taking care of them so far
02:25 <Vanhayes> ya ive been taking cities that they set up near london for a long time now
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering building transports for the blockade and posting existing ironclads behind them to get anybody that tries to get through
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> graphics dont improve on medieocre gameplay
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> (cough doom3)
02:26 <Vanhayes> they always try to set up another one or take one of mine
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they've tried right next to pyongyang at least twice since you took out the last city there, and I've taken them out both times
02:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah but you needed the graphics for fear
02:26 <DrJoeTron> especially the effects
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> they're wasting a lot of resources, and that's good. As long as the spaniards are spending resources trying to get a beachhead and we're beating them back without spending resources, we will slowly increase our advantage
02:27 <joda_bot> #m z-man* Moved gParser.cpp's "#define vsnprintf _vsnprintf" to win32/config_common.h the define is not required for mingw, but probably for MSVC ?
02:27 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> I think we've got the upperhand right now, but it could still switch back against us
02:29 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_: does trunk build properly under linux right now ?
02:32 <spidey> man
02:32 <spidey> i'm doing good now
02:32 <spidey> holding my cities and building a shitload of ironclads and cannons
02:33 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: I don't know, haven't tried to build it in several weeks
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02:51 <joda_bot> In file included from ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:30:
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\/gWinZone.h:85: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\/gWinZone.h:85: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:62: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> ..\..\src\tron\gWinZone.cpp:62: error: expected `,' or `;' before '*' token
02:51 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (22 minutes, 23 seconds)
02:51 <joda_bot> Any ideas on this one ? Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ ?
02:51 <joda_bot> gWinzone.h: gZone * sg_CreateWinDeathZone( eGrid * grid, const eCoord & pos );
02:52 <joda_bot> gWinzone.cpp: gZone* sg_CreateWinDeathZone( eGrid * grid, const eCoord & pos )
02:55 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_: ah, didn't include all gZone files obviously ;)
03:11 <DrJoeTron> btw
03:11 <DrJoeTron> SoaP ticket stub
03:11 <DrJoeTron> in my wallet
03:11 <DrJoeTron> for life
03:13 * Your_mom_arma only hears bad things about that movie
03:13 <DrJoeTron> by who?
03:14 <DrJoeTron> by people who take the movie seriously?
03:14 <DrJoeTron> shame
03:14 <DrJoeTron> on
03:14 <DrJoeTron> them
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> freinds,tv
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> if tv says its bad it must be!
03:14 <DrJoeTron> its the worst movie ever
03:14 <DrJoeTron> you just watched keenan thompson fly a plane filled with mother fucking snakes with samuel L as his co pilot
03:14 <DrJoeTron> come on
03:14 <DrJoeTron> how could nay say that
03:14 <DrJoeTron> you cant
03:14 <DrJoeTron> fuck kel
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> who loves orange soda? wow thats your catch phrase?
03:15 <DrJoeTron> exactly
03:15 <DrJoeTron> so sam is better
03:15 <DrJoeTron> its worth seeing mom
03:15 <DrJoeTron> you will like it
03:15 <DrJoeTron> every possible death you can think of by snake bite is in it
03:16 <DrJoeTron> the goal is
03:16 <DrJoeTron> dont
03:16 <DrJoeTron> take it
03:17 <DrJoeTron> seriously
03:17 <DrJoeTron> if you do
03:17 <DrJoeTron> shame on you
03:17 <DrJoeTron> its like watching an mst3k movie without the track
03:17 <DrJoeTron> cause it doesnt need one
03:17 <DrJoeTron> though i would like the sillouette
03:17 <DrJoeTron> s
03:18 <luke-jr_> stfu
03:18 <DrJoeTron> never
03:18 <DrJoeTron> shut the front....urn?
03:23 <spidey> woohooo
03:24 <spidey> i just won my first game with other peoples :D
03:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey 's new name? Anoobis
03:24 <DrJoeTron> :p
03:24 <DrJoeTron> oh god did i just type that?
03:24 <DrJoeTron> i dont like my self anymore
03:24 <luke-jr_> who does?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> my kitty
03:25 <DrJoeTron> he loves himself
03:25 <luke-jr_> no no
03:25 <DrJoeTron> haha
03:25 <luke-jr_> who likes you
03:25 <luke-jr_> ?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> my kitty :D
03:25 <luke-jr_> =p
03:25 <DrJoeTron> and friends and family
03:25 <spidey> are you sure?
03:25 <DrJoeTron> letme ask
03:26 <DrJoeTron> no :(
03:26 <spidey> :)
03:26 -!- spidey is now known as JoeTheHated
03:27 <JoeTheHated> what's my ip
03:27 <JoeTheHated> sec
03:31 * joda_bot linking armagetron trunk
03:34 <JoeTheHated> hmm
03:34 <JoeTheHated> anyone know how to use emacs
03:34 <JoeTheHated> O.o
03:35 <joda_bot> JoeTheHated: uh, yeah I know it's complicated ;)
03:35 <joda_bot> you're using emacs or xemacs ?
03:35 <joda_bot> I can't recall any key bindings
03:54 <JoeTheHated> emacs
03:54 -!- JoeTheHated is now known as spidey
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> I like DrJoeTron
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> but not on days ending in 'y'
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, I think he's awesome
03:56 <spidey> haha
03:57 <DrJoeTron> :D
03:57 <spidey> what you smiling at?
03:57 <spidey> he just said he don't like you :p
04:02 <DrJoeTron> its the other days
04:02 <DrJoeTron> <3
04:02 <DrJoeTron> the uh...checks in the mail Lucifer_arma
04:03 <spidey> #night
04:03 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> I thought spidey was going to play freeciv with us?
04:08 <spidey> depends
04:08 <spidey> when you starting?
04:08 <spidey> cause i'm like
04:08 <spidey> tired
04:08 <spidey> and i gotta make alot of admin crap for my soldat server tomorrow
04:09 <spidey> my admins don't know how to use ssh -_-
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04:12 <Lucifer_arma> probably still gonna be a bit before we start...
04:12 <spidey> :/
04:12 <spidey> you're going to hell because you're not catholic*so luke jr says)
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> we need to try to train luke to quit typing "..."
04:12 <spidey> that's been my status on msn for days
04:12 <luke-jr_> ...
04:12 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:12 <spidey> <spidey> ?
04:12 <spidey> he did it again
04:12 <luke-jr_> ...
04:13 <spidey> ./ignore luke-jr_
04:13 <spidey> i probably will before i goto sleep heh
04:13 <spidey> that alert makes noises
04:13 * luke-jr_ notes a response would be more appropriate
04:13 <spidey> ...
04:14 <spidey> i gave you a response
04:14 <spidey> "?"
04:14 <luke-jr_> lies
04:14 <[dlh]> ...
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <spidey> <spidey> ?
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <spidey> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I have < 3 hrs till bed if you want to play
04:14 <spidey> proof
04:14 <luke-jr_> spidey:
04:14 <spidey> me:
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> proof
04:14 <spidey> mhmm
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> might be better to wait until tomorrow
04:15 <mkzelda> where do ppl play tron these days?
04:15 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: Freeciv
04:15 <Lucifer_arma> we don't, we play freeciv, heh
04:15 <spidey> lol
04:15 <mkzelda> what is that?
04:16 <mkzelda> i dont need another video game addiction
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> civilization
04:16 <spidey> i addicting useless game
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> then don't play it
04:16 <spidey> s/i/a
04:16 <mkzelda> heh
04:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: my cutoff is midnight for the rest of the week
04:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: and 10 PM after that
04:16 <spidey> hahaha
04:16 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: don't worry, Freeciv games are under 24 hours usually
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we don't play tonight, maybe I can get some shit done and then play during the day to finish it off sometime :)
04:17 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: we usually play 6 hours at a time before saving and continuing later, tho
04:17 <mkzelda> what kind of game is it?
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but we should try shortening that to 2 hours at a time, and only playing every other day
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> strategy game, sorta. You never playing sid meier's civilization?
04:18 <spidey> you're kidding right?
04:18 <spidey> we'll never finish a game
04:18 <mkzelda> no
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you start with a few settlers and you have to build your civilization
04:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: 24 / 2 * 2 = 24 days per game
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> from scratch
04:18 <mkzelda> turn based?
04:18 <Lucifer_arma> yep
04:18 <luke-jr_> unfortunately
04:19 <spidey> fuck that :D
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can always do "/away" if you have nothing to do besides click turn done
04:19 <spidey> lol
04:19 <luke-jr_> that won't make you guys go faster
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, there's diplomacy, technological research, and warfare
04:20 <luke-jr_> and cannibalism
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> you can win by conquering the world, or you can by points, but the game ends when one of several things happens:
04:20 <mkzelda> crashes?
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> 1) someone lands a successful colonization mission on alpha centauri
04:20 <mkzelda> heh
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> 2) all remaining players are allied (same as one player conquering the world)
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> 3) last year is reached, default is 2000 AD
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> 4) barbarians conquer the world
04:21 <spidey> lol
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04:21 <luke-jr_> 5) Luci eats people
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> but if you're sure you don't need another video game addiction, then I don't need to tell you to go to www.freeciv.org to check it out
04:22 <luke-jr_> certainly don't need to tell him that we play on a private server at www.davefancella.com
04:23 <luke-jr_> let's play an hour or 2 =p
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> going into withdrawal already?
04:23 <luke-jr_> got nothing much better to do
04:23 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, so far, a freeciv addiction cures an armagetron addiction
04:23 <spidey> true
04:23 <mkzelda> i only see win32 and macos
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> emerge freeciv
04:24 <luke-jr_> =p
04:24 <mkzelda> k
04:24 <luke-jr_> I've played Arma maybe once in the past 2 weeks
04:24 <luke-jr_> :|
04:24 <spidey> um
04:24 <luke-jr_> and that was to test my cheat code
04:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think I've played it for a month or more, heh, but I was stopping already for awhile
04:24 <mkzelda> ive tried playing last few days but i every server ive played on has sucked for a few reasons
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> last thing I needed was to pick up another damn video game
04:25 <spidey> i've played arma once in the last month
04:25 <spidey> O.o
04:25 <mkzelda> my ping bounces around from 130-800 for seemingly no reason
04:25 <spidey> on my servers?
04:25 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: play on servers I host =p
04:25 <mkzelda> i havent seen your servers last few times
04:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a windows worm crawling the net right now
04:25 <ghableska> #night
04:25 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
04:25 <mkzelda> ya luke yours was one that did that for me
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> judging from the kind of spam I've been getting and the fact that every insurance company my wife talked to had their computers down
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04:26 <luke-jr_> nah
04:26 <spidey> windows worm?
04:26 <luke-jr_> which one?
04:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: it's a worm that prefers windows over apples
04:26 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen any press on it, so I might be on crack, but the net has the feel of being attacked right now
04:26 <mkzelda> i just got back from a 1 week vacation luke, and i played it b4 that
04:26 <spidey> great,something else i can look forward to destroy this install besides me -_-
04:26 <mkzelda> it was a fort
04:27 <spidey> dude
04:27 <spidey> luci
04:27 <luke-jr_> this could be your server!?
04:27 <spidey> would this be a killer defense for freeciv
04:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: no
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> not in any way :)
04:28 <spidey> 1 build fortress on mountian, 2 put a city there, then a SDI and a sam battery
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> then march in with warriors because you forgot to put units in it?
04:28 <spidey> haha
04:28 <mkzelda> yes
04:28 <Lucifer_arma> don't forget you need a spy
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> spies defend against other spies, and without a spy I could march in and knock out SDI and SAM both
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> just wait until you've clicked "turn done" to move in my spy
04:29 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, not if i'm democracy
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> yes, even so
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> democracy only prevents cities from being incited to revolt
04:29 <Lucifer_arma> I can still do all the other things spies can do against you
04:29 <spidey> and units being bribed
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> right, but I'm talking about industrial sabotage
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> and with spies you can pick the targets :)
04:30 <spidey> i think i got a new defense strateogy now
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> so, in your unit stack you need 2-3 heavily fortified high defense ratings, 2-3 auto-attack high rated offense units, and at least 1 spy
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> also, you never need more units inside the city than it has in size. So a 5 point city only needs 5 units
04:31 <spidey> my cities are usually 2 vet+ riflemen and 1 cannon or howitzer
04:31 <Lucifer_arma> the reason is because after city walls are made obsolete, everytime a unit is killed the city reduces in size by 1
04:32 <spidey> no
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> so if you match the size of the city to the number of units in it, then even a successful attack will destroy the city and leave nothing for the other guy to take
04:32 <spidey> the only thing that can cancel a city wall aside from airunits(not including choppers) is a howitzer
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> except an empty railroad :)
04:33 <spidey> the great walls can be made obsolete
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> right, but at the tech level you're talking, an attacker should be using bombers, missiles, and howitzers to attack a city anyway
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> so city walls are useless
04:33 <spidey> most use armor
04:33 <spidey> lol
04:33 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, nah most people like to war early in the game
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's true, I prefer to attack with air and then let cheap tanks roll in and take the city
04:34 <spidey> i've played a few online games with other people
04:34 <spidey> they always attack early and my defense bitch smacks them
04:34 <spidey> ;x
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, the two times I like to war are when I've gotten cannons and musketeers, and then later when I have aircraft and missiles
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, that game i just played
04:34 <spidey> the idiot would unload a shitload of troops right infront of my city
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> I like an ancient scenario where you're stuck with ancient units, but if there's a real tech race, I prefer to have at least industrialization
04:35 <spidey> i'd attack with a cannon and his units went by-by
04:35 <spidey> this happened every turn
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> unload? off a transport?
04:35 <spidey> ya
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> he put them all in the same squares?
04:35 <spidey> yes
04:35 <spidey> he's retarded
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> that is dumb :)
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> put them in different squares, advance slowly with infantry and draw the cannons out, then hit them with cavalry
04:36 <spidey> i swear i killed over 40+ units of his in 100years
04:36 <spidey> if that
04:36 <Your_mom_arma> i'll assume we won'nt be playing freeciv for a while
04:36 <DrJoeTron> haha what happened?
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> why's that? I was hoping to play more of that game tonight...
04:36 <spidey> i always find a good spot and dig in with defense :)
04:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i don't use autoattack
04:37 <spidey> i watch over my cities and manual attack :p
04:37 <Your_mom_arma> well lukes bailing at 12
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he said that last night though
04:37 <spidey> 10 pm bedtime?
04:37 <spidey> i'm 16 and i don't have a bedtime :p
04:38 * spidey calls luke-jr_ 's wife and says "can luke come out and play pwetty pwease!?"
04:38 <spidey> if i could remember his number i would :/
04:38 * Lucifer_arma notes that wives don't always put bedtimes on husbands, sometimes people do it to themselves
04:39 <spidey> i goto sleep when i get tired
04:39 <spidey> i have since i was 11
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, spidey, the point is that you don't just unload all your units in one square around the city. You move in a single infantry unit to each square and try to fortify
04:39 <spidey> i can stay up 3-4 days straight and keep going -_-
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> when you get the squares fortified, *then* you bring in the artillery to pound the city
04:40 <spidey> nah
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> infantry units are cheap at any level, artillery's not so cheap
04:40 <spidey> just make sure the last unit you unload is a defensive unit and the terrain is in your favor
04:40 <spidey> you'll win every attack
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, because the defensive unit is still at his lowest when he unloads
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> after he fortifies, then bring in the offensive units
04:41 <spidey> no,because the last unit unloaded defends that tile
04:41 <spidey> and all units in it
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, the highest defense rating defends the tile
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> but any unit that just unloaded is at its most vulnerable
04:42 <spidey> is that why i killed a tile full of riflemen and cannons with a musket?
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> if you approach from land, you can usually go in on roads and have part of a turn's worth of fortifying before you get attacked
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> yes, that's why you killed a tile full of riflemen and cannons with a musket
04:42 <spidey> riflemen are way higher rated than muskets
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> I unload slowly off transports, usually one group at a time
04:42 <spidey> i shouldn't have won
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but your musket was rested, his riflemen just used all their movement points unloading
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> also, if your musket was vet/hardened/whatever and his rifleman wasn't, your musket could easily have been stronger
04:43 <spidey> hm
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> riflemen are 5/4/1, musketeers are 3/3/1. It doesn't take much to close the gap.
04:44 <spidey> nah, i didn't build barracks till late
04:44 <spidey> was busy building defense
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> auto-attack units usually don't need barracks, they get their status pretty quickly if you get invaded :)
04:44 <spidey> i like that academy
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> sun tsu's?
04:45 <spidey> it gives a 50% chance after a sucessful battle that the stats increase
04:45 <spidey> ya
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> you should read his book, it's on project gutenberg :)
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, the 50% is already there to get veteran, but hardened is 25% and elite is only 5% iirc
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04:45 <Truancy_Bot> Arent you kids supposed to be back at school?
04:46 <spidey> with the academy they're all 50%
04:46 <spidey> i don't goto school
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and you have barracks in all your cities too, it's a nice little wonder
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> still, barracks are cheap, and leonardo's ensures you have the edge in upgrading units
04:46 <spidey> combine that with united nations
04:46 <spidey> you'll be stron
04:46 <spidey> strong
04:46 <spidey> very
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but in the end, it's rate of fire that decides the war anyway :)
04:47 <Your_mom_arma> i like how you guys have stratagy and i just kind of stumble around
04:47 <spidey> not always
04:47 <spidey> lol
04:47 <spidey> i use the same i used in civ2
04:47 <spidey> although i used cheats in civ2 :/
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't always eat my own dogfood. I've been known to try to make a fast invasion and lose most of my offensive units for being stupid
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's what happened at coimbra last night
04:48 <spidey> heh
04:48 <spidey> the only way to a civ i built would be 1 more modern units, 2 take out my defense
04:49 <spidey> my first priority is defending my cities so i don't lose them
04:49 <spidey> unlike Vanhayes :p
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> I want to play a game where we have to run a serious land campaign
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, where navy is either impossible or can't do much anyway
04:50 <spidey> europe map
04:50 <spidey> i wanna play that
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, ever since vanhayes betrayed us I've been building defense early and keeping it upgraded
04:53 <spidey> i usually start aroud the time i get gunpowder
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> true, it doesn't get terribly strong until I get gunpowder, but that's because I'm still focusing on tech/expanding, and every civilization is either vulnerable early or vulnerable late
04:54 <spidey> unless i got leonardos workshop
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I start when I get phalanxes, usually, because warriors are fucking worthless
04:54 <spidey> haha
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> I'd rather lose the game than build warriors, it's true
04:54 <spidey> i don't really worry at the start that much
04:54 <spidey> people are busy building
04:54 <spidey> :)
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> nah, most people are busy expanding anyway
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> because you need to get 10-12 cities as fast as possible and build workers
04:55 <spidey> workers?
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, workers
04:55 <spidey> i only use the default workers i get
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to build roads and stuff
04:55 <spidey> ya
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> we normally play with a lot of starting workers, but that's not default
04:55 <spidey> i've never needed more than i get when i start
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> default is either 1 worker or none, I don't remember
04:55 <spidey> no
04:55 <spidey> default is 3
04:55 <spidey> or 2
04:55 <spidey> i forget
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh. I build a bunch right before I get railroads, then I try to upgrade them all to engineers when I get explosives
04:56 <spidey> i use the same on public servers to
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> then I prefer to send some on campaign, but usually don't
04:56 <spidey> well
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> but it takes so long to railroad I prefer to have 3 workers per city so I can railroad quickly
04:56 <spidey> by the time i've got a 4th city i've got already almost got 6 linked
04:56 <spidey> he
04:56 <spidey> heh
04:56 <luke-jr_> ...
04:57 <spidey> i plan where i put my cities
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I don't link first, first I get the cities working, link last usually
04:57 <spidey> i don't just say hey there's room here
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> but sometimes it's better to let the auto-settler figure out when to link it
04:57 <spidey> all my cities are high production and high science
04:57 <spidey> i disband useless ones
04:57 <spidey> auto-settler sucks
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, cities that are high food give you more settlers :)
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> also, trade
04:58 <spidey> i plan my cities for war and tech :)
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I kept myself from running out of money for awhile by building caravans, was able to avoid raising taxes
04:58 <spidey> i irragate for food
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but if the city grows really quickly, you can put out settlers faster
05:03 <spidey> but if the city has shitty production it doesn't matter
05:03 <spidey> 20turns/settler is gay
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> it seems like the auto-settler works with cma
05:03 <spidey> mine take 10 or less
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, there is gold. If you need to build settlers, use gold
05:03 <spidey> nah
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> you can raise taxes or stick a high production city on coinage for a couple of turns
05:03 <spidey> my layout has worked good for me :p
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you need, really.
05:03 <spidey> ya
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm finding that certain layouts work well in different situations, and sometimes you have to improvise
05:04 <spidey> well
05:04 <spidey> lets put it this way
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> I like luke's idea of trying to build a mars civilization. Start it out in desert with a few glaciars and see what you can do
05:04 <spidey> i lost,but i put up a fight
05:04 <spidey> my tech's and army units was ancient
05:04 <spidey> i killed stealth fighters
05:04 <spidey> howitzers
05:04 <spidey> armor
05:04 <spidey> easily
05:05 <spidey> but he had more time to build,because i had to leave for a hour
05:05 <spidey> so he overran me :/
05:05 <spidey> i made my last stand at berlin :D
05:05 <spidey> i started pulling all my troops in when he started attacking because i wouldn't have lasted 10 turns spread out :/
05:06 <spidey> that was the game i played with the devs -_-
05:12 * spidey is going to sleep :p
05:12 <spidey> #night
05:12 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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05:28 <Your_mom_arma> wb
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> are we going to play more of that game now?
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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06:10 <Truancy_Bot> good god im bored
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06:52 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma did you start classes yet?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> not yet
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> looks like next week
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> anybody want to pick up that game now?
07:13 <luke-jr_> haha
07:13 <luke-jr_> we're all in bed
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13:25 <spidey> i was in bed
13:30 <spidey> bah
13:30 <spidey> my server says the ssl is running, but i can't connect local -_-
13:48 <spidey> :s
13:48 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma Lucifer_arma
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14:35 <DrJoeTron> sweet, dont have school for 3 1/2 hours
14:35 <DrJoeTron> time to go back to bed
14:35 <DrJoeTron> this schedule rocks
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16:22 <spidey> i'll never play another game with people i don't know -_-
16:22 <spidey> they're all hellbent on global warming
16:22 <spidey> it's happen 3 times already and it's only 435AD
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18:09 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
18:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
18:20 <wrtlprnft> #alias add realchatlogs echo $who: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
18:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:20 * wrtlprnft is tired of this command waking him all the time ;)
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18:31 <spidey> haha
18:53 <spidey> Vanhayes,
19:06 <Vanhayes> spidey
19:10 <Vanhayes> hmm for some reason all my settings for X-chat2 were set back to default
19:23 <spidey> A Dead Hooker's Guide To The Galaxy!
19:23 <spidey> hahaha
19:24 <spidey> i like how they described that movie
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19:55 <spidey> hmm
19:55 <spidey> sweet
20:08 <spidey> hmm
20:08 <spidey> i'ma watch silent hill
20:13 <DrJoeTron> spidey im sorry to hear that
20:17 <spidey> ?
20:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron....
20:21 <DrJoeTron> <spidey> i'ma watch silent hill
20:21 <spidey> ?
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20:23 <spidey> shit
20:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wtf you on about?
20:24 <DrJoeTron> nm
20:25 <spidey> ....
20:35 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you on drugs? :p
20:35 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_
20:35 <deja_vu_> spidey: spidey spidey spidey
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20:35 <spidey> lol
20:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: obviously DrJoeTron doesn't like silent hill ;)
20:36 <DrJoeTron> back
20:36 <DrJoeTron> silent hill sucked
20:39 <DrJoeTron> germany is sending troops to lebanon?
20:40 <DrJoeTron> Germany: "who taught you how to do this stuff? Israel: YOU, ALL RIGHT? I learned it from watching you! *sobs*
20:42 <wrtlprnft> not just germany
20:42 <DrJoeTron> true
20:42 <DrJoeTron> a fair ammount at least
20:43 <wrtlprnft> italy and spain are sending quite a few
20:43 <DrJoeTron> Oooo
20:44 <DrJoeTron> the new nasa exploration vehicle is named Orion
20:44 <DrJoeTron> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/mmb/orion_announcement.html
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21:43 <spidey> 1-2 step!
21:43 <spidey> btw
21:43 <spidey> playing freeciv with people you don't know is gay
21:44 <spidey> they're all hellbent on global warming,i mean i've never seen global warming happen 3+ times before 800AS
21:44 <spidey> AD
21:48 <wrtlprnft> spidey: well, you're not exactly someone who tries to prevent it
21:48 <spidey> bs
21:48 <wrtlprnft> wherever your cities are there's waste en masse
21:48 <spidey> bullshit
21:49 <Vanhayes> bs=bullshit yes
21:49 <spidey> i had 2 polluted squares and 1 ton, that's 1 pollution
21:49 <spidey> which i cleaned up and got rid of the city pollution
21:49 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
21:49 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is always the pollution one
21:49 <spidey> :p
21:49 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: when do you want to start up that save game again? if today at all
21:50 <Vanhayes> in that game my cities are starting to make pollution
21:50 <Vanhayes> think global warming was at 2 when I last played
21:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: I dont even bother playing online with other people, all they ever do is smallpox
21:51 <Vanhayes> and that is just boring
21:51 <spidey> actually
21:51 <spidey> i did that
21:51 <spidey> i had 17 cities on a small ass map
21:51 <spidey> gotta love the lighthouse
21:51 <spidey> well not small map
21:52 <Vanhayes> well thats not really smallpoxing
21:52 <spidey> just small islands with a shitload of ocean
21:52 <spidey> it is when the other guys only have 8 or so
21:52 <spidey> :p
21:52 <spidey> i might have won to, but they polluted it so bad they all quit
21:52 <spidey> :/
21:52 <Vanhayes> smallpoxing by definition is haveing cities no farther than 2 spaces away from each other
21:52 <spidey> ya...
21:52 <spidey> like i said
21:52 <spidey> small islands
21:52 <spidey> i mean small
21:53 <wrtlprnft> as in 1x1?
21:53 <Vanhayes> wow that would be a lame map
21:53 <spidey> auto generated
21:53 <Vanhayes> all 1x1 would be a fully naval game
21:53 <Vanhayes> with paratroopers and marines
21:53 <spidey> i had 17 cities and they was all great cities
21:53 <spidey> then
21:54 <spidey> the first global warming affected 5 or so
21:54 <spidey> the next affected all of them
21:54 <spidey> but they where still good, they just couldn't grow -_-
21:54 <wrtlprnft> why don't you just get a few engineers to fix the damage?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> you can turn desert into grassland in a few turns
21:54 <spidey> i was
21:55 <spidey> everyone quit....
21:55 <spidey> it's swamps
21:55 <Vanhayes> glabal warming doesnt make swamps I dont think
21:55 <Vanhayes> it makes desert
21:55 <spidey> yes....
21:55 <spidey> no....
21:55 <Vanhayes> why would it getting hotter make it wetter?
21:56 <spidey> it causes the oceans to raise
21:56 <spidey> and grasslands become swamps
21:56 <wrtlprnft> well, that's even faster to fix
21:56 <wrtlprnft> irrigate
21:56 <wrtlprnft> 3 rounds per square
21:56 <spidey> skrew that
21:56 <Vanhayes> well when you and luci caused global warming in your game it made plains into desert
21:56 <spidey> it killed all my buffalo sqaures
21:56 <spidey> :(
21:56 <spidey> plains
21:56 <spidey> plains give 1 food and 1 shield
21:56 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't they come back?
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21:57 <spidey> grasslands give 2 food
21:57 <wrtlprnft> i know
21:57 <spidey> unless it's a sheild square
21:57 <spidey> so...
21:57 <spidey> grasslands become swamps
21:57 <wrtlprnft> but you can build farmland and road on it
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then you have 4 food and 2 trade
21:57 <spidey> doesn't matter
21:57 <spidey> no!
21:57 <Vanhayes> spiey doesnt build workers
21:57 <wrtlprnft> then add a few hills with rails and mines
21:57 <spidey> you get 1 food on a swamp
21:57 <Vanhayes> spidey*
21:57 <wrtlprnft> those give 1 food and 4 prod
21:57 <Vanhayes> farm makes more food
21:57 <spidey> no they don't
21:58 <spidey> they give only 1 food
21:58 <spidey> look,i was in the game i know what it did :)
21:58 <wrtlprnft> spidey: build mines
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then they give 3 prod
21:58 <spidey> it was irrageted and roaded
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then build a rail on it
21:58 <Vanhayes> well I know farms give you more food points
21:58 <spidey> you don't even get trade
21:58 <wrtlprnft> then you get 4 prod
21:58 <Vanhayes> er irragate*
21:58 <spidey> NO
21:58 <Vanhayes> one of them
21:58 <spidey> NONONONONO
21:58 <spidey> stfu
21:58 <spidey> -_-
21:58 <Vanhayes> calm down spidey
21:58 <spidey> you're not listening!
21:58 <wrtlprnft> hills + rail + mine = 1food, 4prod, 0trade
21:58 <Vanhayes> take a deep breath
21:58 <wrtlprnft> that's it
21:59 <spidey> .....
21:59 <spidey> dude
21:59 <spidey> workers CANNOT terraform
21:59 <spidey> only egineers
21:59 <wrtlprnft> well
21:59 <Vanhayes> um
21:59 <wrtlprnft> then GET engineers
21:59 <spidey> um the game ended before anyone had that
21:59 <spidey> me atleast
21:59 <spidey> i had a 250so science points
21:59 <wrtlprnft> well, then get better people to play with
21:59 <spidey> -_-
22:00 <wrtlprnft> hint: AIs don't quit
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22:00 <spidey> me vs 10 AI's is gay
22:01 <spidey> and when they use the 'end' command it does quit
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22:03 <Vanhayes> workers can make swamps into grassland again
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22:04 * murat|yoh ahanda d?nd?...
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22:05 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: yeah, but not hills
22:05 <jnmbk> Hi, I'm trying to make an armagetronad package for my favourite linux distro, but when I enable music in configure, It gives a segmentation fault at first run. Is there a patch for that?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: what version?
22:06 <jnmbk> latest,
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22:06 <wrtlprnft> jnmbk: latest? Do you mean 0.2.8.2 or 0.3.0?
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22:06 <jnmbk> 0.2.8.2.1
22:07 <spidey> very polluted square increases the chance of global warming. Each time global warming advances, the entire world loses coastal land for jungles and swamps, and inland squares are lost to desert. This tends to devastate cities and leads to global impoverishment.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> i think music just doesn't work in 0.2.8.2.1
22:07 <spidey> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Cities#Pollution
22:08 <jnmbk> ok
22:09 <murat> wrtlprnft so when will the 3.0 version be released?
22:09 <jnmbk> 0.3.0
22:09 <murat> sorry
22:09 <murat> 0.3
22:10 <wrtlprnft> 0.3.0 is released already
22:10 <wrtlprnft> but 0.3 is a development branch, ie nothing stable
22:10 <jnmbk> we didn't see it on web site
22:10 <jnmbk> where is it?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> sec
22:10 <spidey> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.3&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Windows&arch=&bitness=&format=#download
22:10 <spidey> ?
22:11 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/?branch=0.3
22:11 <jnmbk> ah, thanks very much :)
22:11 <wrtlprnft> Warning: These are development snapshots of Armagetron Advanced. The code may be untested and contain bugs or broken functionality. There is no warranty that they will work or even be safe to run. It is possible that they may make your computer explode, corrupt your hard drive, ring all your phones, make you play GLTron, or bite your arms off! You have been warned!
22:11 <wrtlprnft> be sure to read this ;)
22:11 <spidey> HAHA
22:11 <murat> :D
22:11 <murat> ok
22:12 <spidey> wtf
22:12 <jnmbk> it would be good if it rings my phones..
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22:12 <spidey> wrtlprnft,
22:12 <spidey> Warning: These are development snapshots of Armagetron Advanced. The code may be untested and contain bugs or broken functionality. There is no warranty that they will work or even be safe to run. It is possible that they may corrupt your hard drive, put ants in your pants, ring all your phones, shave your cat, cause lack of sleep, or paint your house/apartment in pink! You have been warned!
22:12 <DrJoeTron> my arms exploded off
22:12 <spidey> the one i'm looking at says that
22:12 <spidey> o.o
22:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it's autogenerated
22:12 <spidey> O.o
22:13 <wrtlprnft> it has a number of disasters and prints a different combination each time
22:13 <wrtlprnft> try reloading
22:13 <spidey> haha
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22:13 <DrJoeTron> my desktop is being extra annoying today
22:13 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php?revision=5928&view=markup#l_81
22:14 <DrJoeTron> spidey
22:14 <DrJoeTron> go download fear combat :D
22:14 <spidey> no joe i will not download whatever game it is this time
22:14 <spidey> no joe, i will not download fear of combat
22:14 <DrJoeTron> good, because thats not a game
22:14 <DrJoeTron> :p
22:15 <spidey> ok joe, i still will not download fear of combat
22:15 <spidey> :D
22:15 <DrJoeTron> good, that game sucks
22:15 <spidey> haha
22:15 <DrJoeTron> :D
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22:16 <spidey> i ned to clean my room
22:18 <DrJoeTron> i do too
22:18 <DrJoeTron> and my desktop needs to get its head out of its ass
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22:18 <spidey> my desktop needs a makeover
22:18 <spidey> haha
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22:20 <spidey> haha
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23:11 <spidey> deja_vu,
23:11 <deja_vu> spidey:
23:11 <spidey> deja_vu,
23:11 <deja_vu> how are you? :P
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23:11 <wrtlprnft_> spidey:
23:11 <spidey> lol
23:11 <spidey> lol
23:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey:
23:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey:
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23:11 <spidey> me:
23:11 <spidey> me:
23:11 <wrtlprnft_> spidey:
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23:15 <wrtlprnft> brb
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23:17 <wrtlprnft> ←↓→£€ <-- test
23:17 <wrtlprnft> now using utf-8
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23:20 <luke-jr_> didn't work
23:20 <luke-jr_> or maybe this channel isn't set to utf8 for some reason
23:21 <wrtlprnft> what did you see?
23:21 <Vanhayes> ←↓→£€
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23:21 <Vanhayes> thats what I saw
23:21 <Vanhayes> thats what I saw
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23:21 <luke-jr_> blankness
23:21 <luke-jr_> blankness
23:21 <Vanhayes> no...
23:21 <Vanhayes> no...
23:21 <luke-jr_> ☠ I be a pirate! ☠
23:21 <luke-jr_> ☠ I be a pirate! ☠
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's what you were supposed to see
23:21 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: that's what you were supposed to see
23:21 <Vanhayes> arrow left down right and euro stuff
23:21 <Vanhayes> arrow left down right and euro stuff
23:21 <wrtlprnft> € <-- that an euro sign?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> € <-- that an euro sign?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: saw yours
23:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: saw yours
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though the font is to small to make out details
23:22 <wrtlprnft> though the font is to small to make out details
23:22 <luke-jr_> ☺
23:22 <luke-jr_> ☺
23:22 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately dejavu sans mono seems to be missing the arrows :(
23:22 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately dejavu sans mono seems to be missing the arrows :(
23:23 <deja_vu> not my fault :P
23:23 <deja_vu> not my fault :P
23:23 <luke-jr_> ♕ <-- chess king
23:23 <luke-jr_> ♕ <-- chess king
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:23 <luke-jr_> IRC fonts are too small for graphic symbols
23:23 <luke-jr_> IRC fonts are too small for graphic symbols
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚠ watch out for walls from the future ⚠
23:23 <luke-jr_> ⚠ watch out for walls from the future ⚠
23:24 <luke-jr_> ☆☆☆
23:24 <luke-jr_> ☆☆☆
23:24 <spidey> ????
23:24 <spidey> ????
23:24 <wrtlprnft> 陲陲陲
23:24 <wrtlprnft> 陲陲陲
23:24 <spidey> þþ?? í õõõÒÒÒ??êêê?????????????????????????????
23:24 <spidey> þþ?? í õõõÒÒÒ??êêê?????????????????????????????
23:25 <spidey> <3 char map
23:25 <spidey> <3 char map
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ☢ radioactive! ☢
23:25 <wrtlprnft> ☢ radioactive! ☢
23:26 <spidey> anyone wanna play a game with global warming turned off?
23:26 <spidey> anyone wanna play a game with global warming turned off?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: 頥
23:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: 頥
23:26 <luke-jr_> ✈ airplane
23:26 <luke-jr_> ✈ airplane
23:26 <spidey> 450-45;kdf badspelling
23:26 <spidey> 450-45;kdf badspelling
23:27 <wrtlprnft> we should have #dice output these: 顖顗願顙顚顛
23:27 <wrtlprnft> we should have #dice output these: 顖顗願顙顚顛
23:27 <luke-jr_> ひらが
23:27 <luke-jr_> ひらが
23:28 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:28 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:28 <wrtlprnft> something's messed up with my kcharselect
23:28 <wrtlprnft> something's messed up with my kcharselect
23:28 <Vanhayes> ®©¾½¼
23:28 <Vanhayes> ®©¾½¼
23:29 <Vanhayes> wow tunga 9 font sucks
23:29 <Vanhayes> wow tunga 9 font sucks
23:29 <spidey> lol
23:29 <spidey> lol
23:29 <luke-jr_> ٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭
23:29 <luke-jr_> ٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭٭
23:29 <spidey> i'm using monospace 9
23:29 <spidey> i'm using monospace 9
23:29 <luke-jr_> *٭*٭*٭
23:29 <luke-jr_> *٭*٭*٭
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ⚀⚁⚂⚃⚄⚅
23:30 <spidey> hm
23:30 <spidey> hm
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's what #dice should output
23:30 <wrtlprnft> that's what #dice should output
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ☮
23:30 <wrtlprnft> ☮
23:30 <luke-jr_> ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫⑬⑭⑮⑯⑰⑱⑲⑳
23:30 <luke-jr_> ①②③④⑤⑥⑦⑧⑨⑩⑪⑫⑬⑭⑮⑯⑰⑱⑲⑳
23:31 <spidey> EXEC %1 is not a valid Win32 application.
23:31 <spidey> EXEC %1 is not a valid Win32 application.
23:31 <spidey> o.o
23:31 <spidey> o.o
23:31 <luke-jr_> ╞══════════╪══════════╡
23:31 <luke-jr_> ╞══════════╪══════════╡
23:31 <spidey> åߥ§§
23:31 <spidey> åߥ§§
23:31 <spidey> ;x
23:31 <spidey> ;x
23:32 <wrtlprnft> ⌨
23:32 <wrtlprnft> ⌨
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◧◨◩◪ ◢◣◤◥
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◧◨◩◪ ◢◣◤◥
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◢◣
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◢◣
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◥◤
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ◥◤
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▇▆▇▆▅▄▅▆▇████▇▆▅▄▃▄▃▂▁
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▇▆▇▆▅▄▅▆▇████▇▆▅▄▃▄▃▂▁
23:34 <wrtlprnft> i love dejavu :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> i love dejavu :)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> the font, that is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> the font, that is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> heh, there's an e╳tra big ╳
23:34 <wrtlprnft> heh, there's an e╳tra big ╳
23:34 <luke-jr_> maybe it's not an X
23:34 <luke-jr_> maybe it's not an X
23:35 <wrtlprnft> probably not
23:35 <wrtlprnft> probably not
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ╳╳└
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ╳╳└
23:36 <luke-jr_> Χtian != Xtian ;p
23:36 <luke-jr_> Χtian != Xtian ;p
23:36 <luke-jr_> ΧX
23:36 <luke-jr_> ΧX
23:36 <luke-jr_> they look the same
23:36 <luke-jr_> they look the same
23:36 <luke-jr_> but the first is the Greek Χ
23:36 <luke-jr_> but the first is the Greek Χ
23:36 <luke-jr_> chi
23:36 <luke-jr_> chi
23:36 <luke-jr_> IIRC
23:36 <luke-jr_> IIRC
23:36 <wrtlprnft> ⒽⒾ ⓉⒽⒺⓇⒺ
23:36 <wrtlprnft> ⒽⒾ ⓉⒽⒺⓇⒺ
23:36 <luke-jr_> heh
23:36 <luke-jr_> heh
23:36 <luke-jr_> I use Ψ for IM
23:36 <luke-jr_> I use Ψ for IM
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:37 <luke-jr_> Psi
23:37 <luke-jr_> Psi
23:37 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:37 <luke-jr_> π =p
23:37 <luke-jr_> π =p
23:37 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ‽
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ‽
23:38 <wrtlprnft> gee, that char isn't in dejavu
23:38 <wrtlprnft> gee, that char isn't in dejavu
23:39 * wrtlprnft hopes dejavu will grow to cover all the arrows and some other useful stuff
23:39 * wrtlprnft hopes dejavu will grow to cover all the arrows and some other useful stuff
23:39 <spidey> gYou cannot begin working a square which a neighboring city is already working, nor can you work terrain upon which an enemy land unit is standing or terrain inside another player's borders. Thus you can simulate conditions of siege by stationing your units atop valuable resources around an enemy
23:39 <spidey> gYou cannot begin working a square which a neighboring city is already working, nor can you work terrain upon which an enemy land unit is standing or terrain inside another player's borders. Thus you can simulate conditions of siege by stationing your units atop valuable resources around an enemy
23:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> read that long ago
23:39 <wrtlprnft> read that long ago
23:40 <wrtlprnft> that's an expensive way of forcing a city down
23:40 <wrtlprnft> that's an expensive way of forcing a city down
23:40 <spidey> expensice?
23:40 <spidey> expensice?
23:40 <spidey> expesnive*
23:40 <spidey> expesnive*
23:40 <spidey> grr
23:40 <spidey> grr
23:40 <wrtlprnft> you need about 15 units to do any real impact
23:40 <wrtlprnft> you need about 15 units to do any real impact
23:40 <spidey> nah
23:40 <spidey> nah
23:40 <wrtlprnft> and when you get the city it has no population
23:40 <wrtlprnft> and when you get the city it has no population
23:41 <spidey> if you can cut the production that's all you need
23:41 <spidey> if you can cut the production that's all you need
23:42 <wrtlprnft> dunno, do diplomats stop a city from using the square they're standing on?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> dunno, do diplomats stop a city from using the square they're standing on?
23:42 <wrtlprnft> if they do that's a cheap way as diplomats don't need any upkeep
23:42 <wrtlprnft> if they do that's a cheap way as diplomats don't need any upkeep
23:42 <spidey> neither do workers
23:42 <spidey> neither do workers
23:43 <spidey> well
23:43 <spidey> well
23:43 <spidey> sheilds
23:43 <spidey> sheilds
23:43 <spidey> caravans don't
23:43 <spidey> caravans don't
23:45 <spidey> finally
23:45 <spidey> finally
23:45 <spidey> sldfkjaoerwtjlkd;fglkdfg@ people using my email to make yahoo screen names
23:45 <spidey> sldfkjaoerwtjlkd;fglkdfg@ people using my email to make yahoo screen names
23:45 <spidey> -_-
23:45 <spidey> -_-
23:46 <spidey> i think i'll click that cancel button
23:46 <spidey> i think i'll click that cancel button
23:59 <DrJoeTron> they retired the F14 tomcat :/
23:59 <DrJoeTron> they retired the F14 tomcat :/
Log from 2006-08-24:
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00:07 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:07 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:07 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:25 <DrJoeTron> spidey
00:25 <DrJoeTron> spidey
00:25 <DrJoeTron> what does your house smell like
00:25 <DrJoeTron> what does your house smell like
00:28 <luke-jr_> smoke
00:28 <luke-jr_> smoke
00:28 <luke-jr_> =p
00:28 <luke-jr_> =p
00:31 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
00:31 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
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00:46 <Lucifer_arma> <luke-jr_> ...
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> <luke-jr_> ...
00:46 <luke-jr_> ...
00:46 <luke-jr_> ...
00:47 <Your_mom_arma> ...
00:47 <Your_mom_arma> ...
00:48 <Vanhayes> ,,,
00:48 <Vanhayes> ,,,
00:48 <Vanhayes> bbl actually
00:48 <Vanhayes> bbl actually
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00:48 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188413.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does...."]
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> forums down?
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> forums down?
00:49 <Your_mom_arma> noms
00:49 <Your_mom_arma> noms
00:49 <luke-jr_> blame guru3 asap!
00:49 <luke-jr_> blame guru3 asap!
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> like to note that the ladle has less people then the spoon and that the cup will likely be 2020 vs someone in a game of sumo
00:53 <Your_mom_arma> like to note that the ladle has less people then the spoon and that the cup will likely be 2020 vs someone in a game of sumo
01:05 <spidey> ?
01:05 <spidey> ?
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> spoon had 87players and 8 teams
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> spoon had 87players and 8 teams
01:06 <spidey> yes?
01:06 <spidey> yes?
01:07 <spidey> i'm not sure what you mean/wanting to do
01:07 <spidey> i'm not sure what you mean/wanting to do
01:07 <spidey> 'er, that was ment for another window
01:07 <spidey> 'er, that was ment for another window
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> first ladle had 75 players(registered for a team) 7 teams
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> first ladle had 75 players(registered for a team) 7 teams
01:08 <spidey> registered isn't relavent
01:08 <spidey> registered isn't relavent
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> it was less then 75
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> it was less then 75
01:08 <spidey> like LOL and SP and CT had a shitload and hardly any played
01:08 <spidey> like LOL and SP and CT had a shitload and hardly any played
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
01:09 <spidey> dunno, it's fun either way :p
01:09 <spidey> dunno, it's fun either way :p
01:09 <spidey> and i'm out of practice -_-
01:09 <spidey> and i'm out of practice -_-
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> second ladle had 54 players(registered) on 4 teams
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> second ladle had 54 players(registered) on 4 teams
01:10 <spidey> well
01:10 <spidey> well
01:10 <spidey> fortress isn't close to as popular as it used to be
01:10 <spidey> fortress isn't close to as popular as it used to be
01:11 <spidey> bugfarm went away <half the players went away
01:11 <spidey> bugfarm went away <half the players went away
01:11 <spidey> fortress players anyways
01:11 <spidey> fortress players anyways
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> i guess i was just trying to point out that the spoon was larger then the ladle
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> i guess i was just trying to point out that the spoon was larger then the ladle
01:11 <luke-jr_> we should start a spread.armagetronad.net site =p
01:11 <luke-jr_> we should start a spread.armagetronad.net site =p
01:12 <spidey> lol
01:12 <spidey> lol
01:12 <spidey> there's alot of new players
01:12 <spidey> there's alot of new players
01:12 <Your_mom_arma> 2020 was a bit aggressive in trying to organize these so close together with little leadership/solid rules
01:12 <Your_mom_arma> 2020 was a bit aggressive in trying to organize these so close together with little leadership/solid rules
01:12 <spidey> well
01:12 <spidey> well
01:12 <spidey> with the groups organizing them selves it's worked pretty good
01:12 <spidey> with the groups organizing them selves it's worked pretty good
01:13 <spidey> there hasn't been any problems i've seen in them
01:13 <spidey> there hasn't been any problems i've seen in them
01:13 <spidey> except the spoon
01:13 <spidey> except the spoon
01:13 <spidey> the ladle tournys have been fine
01:13 <spidey> the ladle tournys have been fine
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> but they where smaller
01:13 <Your_mom_arma> but they where smaller
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> he should make another spoon
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> he should make another spoon
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> the ladle is supposed to be 175~players or more
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> the ladle is supposed to be 175~players or more
01:14 <spidey> well
01:14 <spidey> well
01:14 <spidey> AW will mostlikely always win the ladle :p
01:14 <spidey> AW will mostlikely always win the ladle :p
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> according to his plan
01:14 <Your_mom_arma> according to his plan
01:15 <spidey> are there even 175 tron players?
01:15 <spidey> are there even 175 tron players?
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> active unlikely
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> active unlikely
01:15 <spidey> o.o
01:15 <spidey> o.o
01:16 <luke-jr_> we need to work on PR =p
01:16 <luke-jr_> we need to work on PR =p
01:16 <spidey> PR?
01:16 <spidey> PR?
01:16 <Your_mom_arma> public relations
01:16 <Your_mom_arma> public relations
01:16 <spidey> why? i thought we liked to kill Lucifer_arma
01:16 <spidey> why? i thought we liked to kill Lucifer_arma
01:16 <spidey> 'er
01:16 <spidey> 'er
01:17 <spidey> why? i thought we liked to kill luke-jr_
01:17 <spidey> why? i thought we liked to kill luke-jr_
01:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: it's not funny anymore, btw
01:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: it's not funny anymore, btw
01:18 <spidey> i like it
01:18 <spidey> i like it
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> did i miss something?
01:18 <Your_mom_arma> did i miss something?
01:18 <luke-jr_> yeah, but you're immature =p
01:18 <luke-jr_> yeah, but you're immature =p
01:18 <spidey> i would harrass you,but i forgot your number and the phone's inuse
01:18 <spidey> i would harrass you,but i forgot your number and the phone's inuse
01:18 <luke-jr_> haha
01:18 <luke-jr_> haha
01:19 <luke-jr_> good thing you don't know what a log is
01:19 <luke-jr_> good thing you don't know what a log is
01:19 <spidey> #last --from luke-jr_ --with (
01:19 <spidey> #last --from luke-jr_ --with (
01:19 <armabot> spidey: [20:59:07] <luke-jr_> (913) 674-4395
01:19 <armabot> spidey: [20:59:07] <luke-jr_> (913) 674-4395
01:19 <spidey> hahah
01:19 <spidey> hahah
01:20 <spidey> it's going in a txt this time :p
01:20 <spidey> it's going in a txt this time :p
01:20 <luke-jr_> -.-
01:20 <luke-jr_> -.-
01:20 <luke-jr_> you said that like 3 times ago
01:20 <luke-jr_> you said that like 3 times ago
01:20 <spidey> yes but it was more trouble then
01:20 <spidey> yes but it was more trouble then
01:20 <luke-jr_> ...
01:20 <luke-jr_> ...
01:20 <spidey> now i just right click desktop and make a new txt :p
01:20 <spidey> now i just right click desktop and make a new txt :p
01:20 <luke-jr_> ...
01:20 <luke-jr_> ...
01:21 <spidey> i was using a fluxbox-like shell for windows
01:21 <spidey> i was using a fluxbox-like shell for windows
01:21 * luke-jr_ disconnects that #
01:21 * luke-jr_ disconnects that #
01:21 <spidey> i had to do alot of right clicking then dir changing
01:21 <spidey> i had to do alot of right clicking then dir changing
01:21 <spidey> then make the file and saze
01:21 <spidey> then make the file and saze
01:21 <spidey> s/saze/save
01:21 <spidey> s/saze/save
01:21 <luke-jr_> or
01:21 <luke-jr_> or
01:21 <luke-jr_> you can open notepad
01:21 <luke-jr_> you can open notepad
01:21 <luke-jr_> paste it
01:21 <luke-jr_> paste it
01:21 <luke-jr_> and save
01:21 <luke-jr_> and save
01:21 <luke-jr_> ...
01:21 <luke-jr_> ...
01:22 <spidey> didn't you read what i said before that??
01:22 <spidey> didn't you read what i said before that??
01:22 <spidey> <spidey> i was using a fluxbox-like shell for windows
01:22 <spidey> <spidey> i was using a fluxbox-like shell for windows
01:22 <spidey> it's more trouble than it's worth :p
01:22 <spidey> it's more trouble than it's worth :p
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> if anyone wants to fixup my last wiki edit feel free
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> if anyone wants to fixup my last wiki edit feel free
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> Garismo Skip Your_mom Lackadaisical MaZuffeR nemostultae eggcozy joda.bot
01:29 <Your_mom_arma> Garismo Skip Your_mom Lackadaisical MaZuffeR nemostultae eggcozy joda.bot
01:30 <spidey> ?
01:30 <spidey> ?
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> would make a good team for the ladle
01:30 <Your_mom_arma> would make a good team for the ladle
01:31 <spidey> where's maz been anyways?
01:31 <spidey> where's maz been anyways?
01:31 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, you should join WS :p
01:31 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, you should join WS :p
01:37 <Your_mom_arma> wild squirrels?
01:37 <Your_mom_arma> wild squirrels?
01:38 <spidey> Wraith Squadron
01:38 <spidey> Wraith Squadron
01:38 <spidey> :p
01:38 <spidey> :p
01:39 <spidey> we got practice tonight at 9cst if you want to :p
01:39 <spidey> we got practice tonight at 9cst if you want to :p
01:45 <Your_mom_arma> did you guys finish that one save game of freeciv yet?
01:45 <Your_mom_arma> did you guys finish that one save game of freeciv yet?
01:46 <spidey> no
01:46 <spidey> no
01:46 <spidey> lol
01:46 <spidey> lol
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02:11 <spidey> hmm
02:11 <spidey> hmm
02:11 <spidey> i like 70 dpi o.o
02:11 <spidey> i like 70 dpi o.o
02:12 <spidey> damn
02:12 <spidey> damn
02:12 <spidey> brb gotta restart
02:12 <spidey> brb gotta restart
02:17 <spidey> hmm
02:17 <spidey> hmm
02:17 <spidey> i'ma actually have to use my glasses now
02:17 <spidey> i'ma actually have to use my glasses now
02:17 <spidey> -_-
02:17 <spidey> -_-
02:17 <spidey> 70dpi @ 1280x1024
02:17 <spidey> 70dpi @ 1280x1024
02:24 <spidey> #night
02:24 <spidey> #night
02:24 <armabot> Good night spidey!
02:24 <armabot> Good night spidey!
02:25 <spidey> hmmm
02:25 <spidey> hmmm
02:25 <spidey> i don't get a vhost anymore :(
02:25 <spidey> i don't get a vhost anymore :(
02:25 <spidey> (i=spidey@72.20.20.167):
02:25 <spidey> (i=spidey@72.20.20.167):
02:25 <spidey> that should be spidey@mentally.humped.org
02:25 <spidey> that should be spidey@mentally.humped.org
02:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: why do you like 70 dpi?
02:26 <luke-jr_> spidey: why do you like 70 dpi?
02:27 <spidey> small
02:27 <spidey> small
02:27 <luke-jr_> and why would you need glasses
02:27 <luke-jr_> and why would you need glasses
02:27 <luke-jr_> um
02:27 <luke-jr_> um
02:27 <luke-jr_> 70 dpi is about as large as you get...
02:27 <luke-jr_> 70 dpi is about as large as you get...
02:27 <spidey> no.....
02:27 <spidey> no.....
02:28 <luke-jr_> resolution: 103x110 dots per inch
02:28 <luke-jr_> resolution: 103x110 dots per inch
02:28 <spidey> .....
02:28 <spidey> .....
02:28 <spidey> i was at 96dpi a minute ago
02:28 <spidey> i was at 96dpi a minute ago
02:28 <luke-jr_> 96dpi is smaller than 70dpi
02:28 <luke-jr_> 96dpi is smaller than 70dpi
02:29 <luke-jr_> well, more dense
02:29 <luke-jr_> well, more dense
02:29 <luke-jr_> which makes 1 pixel smaller physically
02:29 <luke-jr_> which makes 1 pixel smaller physically
02:29 <spidey> 70dpi is smaller -_-
02:29 <spidey> 70dpi is smaller -_-
02:29 <luke-jr_> as a result, graphics are smaller with a larger value dpi
02:29 <luke-jr_> as a result, graphics are smaller with a larger value dpi
02:29 <spidey> .....
02:29 <spidey> .....
02:30 <luke-jr_> non-scalable graphics, anyway
02:30 <luke-jr_> non-scalable graphics, anyway
02:30 <luke-jr_> that's the only different in DPIs-- as you get bigger # DPIs, non-scalable graphics look smaller
02:30 <luke-jr_> that's the only different in DPIs-- as you get bigger # DPIs, non-scalable graphics look smaller
02:30 <luke-jr_> well, display quality goes up too
02:30 <luke-jr_> well, display quality goes up too
02:31 <spidey> i'm sorry to tell ya, if 96dpi is smaller than this (70dpi) i don't see how i was reading a fucking thing before ;p
02:31 <spidey> i'm sorry to tell ya, if 96dpi is smaller than this (70dpi) i don't see how i was reading a fucking thing before ;p
02:31 <spidey> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/156/70dpivr5.jpg
02:31 <spidey> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/156/70dpivr5.jpg
02:31 <luke-jr_> DPI has no effect on text
02:31 <luke-jr_> DPI has no effect on text
02:31 <spidey> yes it does
02:31 <spidey> yes it does
02:31 <luke-jr_> only if something is misconfigured
02:31 <luke-jr_> only if something is misconfigured
02:31 <spidey> it's not linux, duh
02:31 <spidey> it's not linux, duh
02:31 <spidey> now stfu :p
02:31 <spidey> now stfu :p
02:32 <luke-jr_> text size is given in points
02:32 <luke-jr_> text size is given in points
02:32 <luke-jr_> a point is 1/72 of an inch
02:32 <luke-jr_> a point is 1/72 of an inch
02:32 <luke-jr_> so text at 72pts is always 1 inch tall
02:32 <luke-jr_> so text at 72pts is always 1 inch tall
02:32 <spidey> lets see
02:32 <spidey> lets see
02:32 <spidey> 120dpi is LARGE size
02:32 <spidey> 120dpi is LARGE size
02:32 <spidey> 96dpi is normal
02:32 <spidey> 96dpi is normal
02:32 <spidey> and my custom 70 is small
02:32 <spidey> and my custom 70 is small
02:33 <luke-jr_> where are you specifying DPI?
02:33 <luke-jr_> where are you specifying DPI?
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> what kind of match is that
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> what kind of match is that
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> math
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> math
02:33 <luke-jr_> you need to set DPI to the correct value, it can't be any random number
02:33 <luke-jr_> you need to set DPI to the correct value, it can't be any random number
02:33 <spidey> ......
02:33 <spidey> ......
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> 120dpi would have smaller dots but more clarity
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> 120dpi would have smaller dots but more clarity
02:34 <luke-jr_> DPI is a ratio between resolution and monitor size
02:34 <luke-jr_> DPI is a ratio between resolution and monitor size
02:34 <spidey> brb
02:34 <spidey> brb
02:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: what size is your monitor?
02:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: what size is your monitor?
02:34 <spidey> 17'
02:34 <spidey> 17'
02:34 <spidey> now look at this shit
02:34 <spidey> now look at this shit
02:34 <spidey> another screenshot
02:34 <spidey> another screenshot
02:35 <luke-jr_> what resolution?
02:35 <luke-jr_> what resolution?
02:35 <spidey> 1280x1024
02:35 <spidey> 1280x1024
02:35 <spidey> hold on
02:35 <spidey> hold on
02:35 <spidey> ok
02:35 <spidey> ok
02:36 <spidey> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/156/70dpivr5.jpg
02:36 <spidey> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/156/70dpivr5.jpg
02:36 <spidey> that's 70dpi
02:36 <spidey> that's 70dpi
02:36 <spidey> http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6140/120dpiqu6.jpg
02:36 <spidey> http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6140/120dpiqu6.jpg
02:36 <spidey> that's 120dpi
02:36 <spidey> that's 120dpi
02:36 <spidey> now which is smaller??
02:36 <spidey> now which is smaller??
02:36 <luke-jr_> then your DPI is 96.42
02:36 <luke-jr_> then your DPI is 96.42
02:36 <spidey> exactly :p
02:36 <spidey> exactly :p
02:36 <spidey> no it's not anymore
02:36 <spidey> no it's not anymore
02:36 <spidey> i changed it
02:36 <spidey> i changed it
02:36 <luke-jr_> it is
02:36 <luke-jr_> it is
02:37 <luke-jr_> you can only change DPI by changing the monitor's size or your resolution
02:37 <luke-jr_> you can only change DPI by changing the monitor's size or your resolution
02:37 <spidey> really?
02:37 <spidey> really?
02:37 <luke-jr_> DPI is not an arbitrary value
02:37 <luke-jr_> DPI is not an arbitrary value
02:37 <spidey> that's why i got a pizels per inch setting here?
02:37 <spidey> that's why i got a pizels per inch setting here?
02:37 <spidey> because i can't change it? :p
02:37 <spidey> because i can't change it? :p
02:37 <luke-jr_> you need to calculate that based on your monitor's size
02:37 <luke-jr_> you need to calculate that based on your monitor's size
02:37 <luke-jr_> if you put the wrong number, you're just lying to the computer
02:37 <luke-jr_> if you put the wrong number, you're just lying to the computer
02:38 <spidey> .....
02:38 <spidey> .....
02:38 <luke-jr_> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
02:38 <luke-jr_> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
02:38 <spidey> mom your on windows aren't you?
02:38 <spidey> mom your on windows aren't you?
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> that adjust a fonts dpi only
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> that adjust a fonts dpi only
02:38 <luke-jr_> if you tell the computer there are 120 DPI when there's really only 96, it puts 120 dots to make an inch but it's really longer than an inch
02:38 <luke-jr_> if you tell the computer there are 120 DPI when there's really only 96, it puts 120 dots to make an inch but it's really longer than an inch
02:39 <luke-jr_> 120 DPI means you have 120 pixels that fit in an inch
02:39 <luke-jr_> 120 DPI means you have 120 pixels that fit in an inch
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> i see the setting your changing
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> i see the setting your changing
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> changes it so that the fonts get more dpi then normal
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> changes it so that the fonts get more dpi then normal
02:40 <spidey> no
02:40 <spidey> no
02:40 <luke-jr_> 1024x768 would be 75 DPI for 17"
02:40 <luke-jr_> 1024x768 would be 75 DPI for 17"
02:40 <spidey> well yes
02:40 <spidey> well yes
02:40 <spidey> kinda
02:40 <spidey> kinda
02:40 <spidey> luke-jr_, shush ;p
02:40 <spidey> luke-jr_, shush ;p
02:40 <luke-jr_> if you want 70 DPI, your resolution needs to be 950x712
02:40 <luke-jr_> if you want 70 DPI, your resolution needs to be 950x712
02:41 <spidey> no
02:41 <spidey> no
02:41 <luke-jr_> yes
02:41 <luke-jr_> yes
02:41 <luke-jr_> or you need a bigger monitor
02:41 <luke-jr_> or you need a bigger monitor
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> did you read the caption under display?
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> did you read the caption under display?
02:41 <spidey> ya
02:41 <spidey> ya
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> Its just poorly worded
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> Its just poorly worded
02:42 <luke-jr_> a 23.4" monitor can do 1280x1024 at 70 DPI ;)
02:42 <luke-jr_> a 23.4" monitor can do 1280x1024 at 70 DPI ;)
02:42 <luke-jr_> if you have 1280x1024 and you tell the computer it's 70 DPI, the computer thinks your monitor is 23.4"
02:42 <luke-jr_> if you have 1280x1024 and you tell the computer it's 70 DPI, the computer thinks your monitor is 23.4"
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> fonts get more dpi, so if the moniter has a size of 75 dpi it increases the dpi of the font to say 120 only its adding dots not resizing
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> fonts get more dpi, so if the moniter has a size of 75 dpi it increases the dpi of the font to say 120 only its adding dots not resizing
02:43 <spidey> shit
02:43 <spidey> shit
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> im no better at rewording this
02:43 <Your_mom_arma> im no better at rewording this
02:43 <luke-jr_> spidey: tell your computer to draw a 1 inch line-- Win has a ruler program, right?
02:43 <luke-jr_> spidey: tell your computer to draw a 1 inch line-- Win has a ruler program, right?
02:44 <luke-jr_> it will be 1.25 inches if you measure it
02:44 <luke-jr_> it will be 1.25 inches if you measure it
02:44 <spidey> listening to luke-jr_ over here i changed the appearence settings back to default
02:44 <spidey> listening to luke-jr_ over here i changed the appearence settings back to default
02:44 <spidey> now it's all ugly again -_-
02:44 <spidey> now it's all ugly again -_-
02:44 <spidey> well
02:44 <spidey> well
02:44 <spidey> watching luke-jr_ *
02:44 <spidey> watching luke-jr_ *
02:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: you know, there should be a setting for font size
02:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: you know, there should be a setting for font size
02:44 <spidey> wasn't paying attention to what i was doing :<
02:44 <spidey> wasn't paying attention to what i was doing :<
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> did you read what i wrote luke-jr_ spidey?
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> did you read what i wrote luke-jr_ spidey?
02:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ping, come teach spidey about DPI
02:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ping, come teach spidey about DPI
02:45 <luke-jr_> cuz he won't listen to me
02:45 <luke-jr_> cuz he won't listen to me
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> and everyone ignores me
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> and everyone ignores me
02:45 <spidey> lol
02:45 <spidey> lol
02:45 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch
02:45 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch
02:45 <spidey> yes i saw mom
02:45 <spidey> yes i saw mom
02:45 <luke-jr_> hm
02:45 <luke-jr_> hm
02:46 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, nah i only ignore luke-jr_
02:46 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, nah i only ignore luke-jr_
02:46 <luke-jr_> wikipedia's article sucks a bit
02:46 <luke-jr_> wikipedia's article sucks a bit
02:46 <Your_mom_arma> its a poorly worded setting that increases(decreases) the size of fonts
02:46 <Your_mom_arma> its a poorly worded setting that increases(decreases) the size of fonts
02:47 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: nope
02:47 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: nope
02:47 <spidey> luke-jr_, you're on linux, go away
02:47 <spidey> luke-jr_, you're on linux, go away
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> ?
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> ?
02:47 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixels_per_inch
02:47 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixels_per_inch
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> not dpi
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> not dpi
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> i know what dpi is
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> i know what dpi is
02:48 <luke-jr_> PPI = DPI
02:48 <luke-jr_> PPI = DPI
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> the setting he's changing uses the acronym dpi wrong and i just cant reword the setting well
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> the setting he's changing uses the acronym dpi wrong and i just cant reword the setting well
02:49 <luke-jr_> DPI has nothing to do with fonts
02:49 <luke-jr_> DPI has nothing to do with fonts
02:49 <spidey> luke-jr_, like i said
02:49 <spidey> luke-jr_, like i said
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> indirectly it does
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> indirectly it does
02:50 <luke-jr_> DPI is a scale
02:50 <luke-jr_> DPI is a scale
02:50 <luke-jr_> ok, let's try to explain this another way
02:50 <luke-jr_> ok, let's try to explain this another way
02:51 <luke-jr_> take your horizontal resolution
02:51 <luke-jr_> take your horizontal resolution
02:51 <luke-jr_> 1280, right?
02:51 <luke-jr_> 1280, right?
02:51 <luke-jr_> divide it by the width of your monitor's viewing area in inches
02:51 <luke-jr_> divide it by the width of your monitor's viewing area in inches
02:51 <luke-jr_> a 17" (diagonal measurement) monitor is 13.27" × 13.6"
02:51 <luke-jr_> a 17" (diagonal measurement) monitor is 13.27" × 13.6"
02:51 <luke-jr_> that's the DPI
02:51 <luke-jr_> that's the DPI
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> are you telling me that scaling a moniters dpi wont effect the size of the winowed apps and font as they appear to the human eye?
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> are you telling me that scaling a moniters dpi wont effect the size of the winowed apps and font as they appear to the human eye?
02:52 <luke-jr_> if you lie to the computer about the DPI, it will make things look the wrong size
02:52 <luke-jr_> if you lie to the computer about the DPI, it will make things look the wrong size
02:52 <spidey> so...
02:52 <spidey> so...
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> yes
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> yes
02:52 <spidey> that's what i want
02:52 <spidey> that's what i want
02:52 <luke-jr_> you can only set the monitor's DPI by changing the resolution
02:52 <luke-jr_> you can only set the monitor's DPI by changing the resolution
02:52 <spidey> now go away
02:52 <spidey> now go away
02:52 <luke-jr_> no
02:52 <luke-jr_> no
02:52 <luke-jr_> you want to make text smaller or bigger
02:52 <luke-jr_> you want to make text smaller or bigger
02:52 <luke-jr_> that's a completely different thing
02:52 <luke-jr_> that's a completely different thing
02:52 <luke-jr_> that's font size
02:52 <luke-jr_> that's font size
02:52 <spidey> no
02:52 <spidey> no
02:53 <spidey> i want EVERYTHING smaller
02:53 <spidey> i want EVERYTHING smaller
02:53 <luke-jr_> #g 1280 / 13.27
02:53 <luke-jr_> #g 1280 / 13.27
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> luke your misinterperting me
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> luke your misinterperting me
02:53 <armabot> 1,280 / 13.27 = 96.4581763
02:53 <armabot> 1,280 / 13.27 = 96.4581763
02:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: so change everything's size settings
02:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: so change everything's size settings
02:53 <spidey> they're as small as they go
02:53 <spidey> they're as small as they go
02:53 <spidey> settings wise
02:53 <spidey> settings wise
02:53 <spidey> now lemme lone -_-
02:53 <spidey> now lemme lone -_-
02:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: do you want an inch to be smaller?
02:53 <luke-jr_> spidey: do you want an inch to be smaller?
02:55 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_: you can teach him
02:55 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft_: you can teach him
03:03 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes, without losing my resolution
03:03 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes, without losing my resolution
03:03 <spidey> now i'm going to sleep till 12pm :)
03:03 <spidey> now i'm going to sleep till 12pm :)
03:09 <spidey> well
03:09 <spidey> well
03:09 <spidey> i thought i was
03:09 <spidey> i thought i was
03:09 <spidey> supper's almost done and i haven't eaten in over a day -_-
03:09 <spidey> supper's almost done and i haven't eaten in over a day -_-
03:09 <spidey> ran outta pizzas!
03:09 <spidey> ran outta pizzas!
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> can we add a setting so i dont get map_uri unknown please upgrade
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> can we add a setting so i dont get map_uri unknown please upgrade
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03:23 <spidey> deja_vu,
03:23 <spidey> deja_vu,
03:23 <spidey> deja_vu,
03:23 <spidey> deja_vu,
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04:02 <DrJoeTron> hmm darwinia is only 20 bucks
04:02 <DrJoeTron> hmm darwinia is only 20 bucks
04:04 <spidey> ffinally some food
04:04 <spidey> ffinally some food
04:04 <spidey> now i gotot sleep
04:04 <spidey> now i gotot sleep
04:04 <spidey> #night
04:04 <spidey> #night
04:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:04 <armabot> Good night spidey!
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> ripoff
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> ripoff
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.darwinia.co.uk/about/images/engineer.gif
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.darwinia.co.uk/about/images/engineer.gif
04:14 <DrJoeTron> haha now you know why i want to buy it
04:14 <DrJoeTron> haha now you know why i want to buy it
04:14 <DrJoeTron> i played the demo
04:14 <DrJoeTron> i played the demo
04:14 <DrJoeTron> alot of fun
04:14 <DrJoeTron> alot of fun
04:14 <DrJoeTron> pretty big demo too
04:14 <DrJoeTron> pretty big demo too
04:15 <DrJoeTron> those are engineers
04:15 <DrJoeTron> those are engineers
04:16 <DrJoeTron> those things are awesome
04:16 <DrJoeTron> those things are awesome
04:30 <DrJoeTron> i really need to join the SA boards
04:30 <DrJoeTron> i really need to join the SA boards
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> sa?
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> sa?
04:32 <DrJoeTron> something awful
04:32 <DrJoeTron> something awful
04:32 <DrJoeTron> bbl
04:32 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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05:00 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: spidey luke-jr_ want to finish that game tonight?
05:00 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: spidey luke-jr_ want to finish that game tonight?
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> can't, I need to work
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> can't, I need to work
05:01 <Vanhayes> ah ok
05:01 <Vanhayes> ah ok
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> school starts monday and I haven't worked enough these couple of weeks
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> school starts monday and I haven't worked enough these couple of weeks
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> on the bright side, it looks like I'm getting a pretty good-sized loan, and this'll be the first semester my financial aid covers completely, supplies and everything
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> on the bright side, it looks like I'm getting a pretty good-sized loan, and this'll be the first semester my financial aid covers completely, supplies and everything
05:31 <mkzelda> anyone have an account on OiNK
05:31 <mkzelda> anyone have an account on OiNK
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> acronym?
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> acronym?
05:32 <mkzelda> nope
05:32 <mkzelda> nope
05:32 <mkzelda> not that i know of
05:32 <mkzelda> not that i know of
05:32 <mkzelda> torrent community, invite only
05:32 <mkzelda> torrent community, invite only
05:32 <mkzelda> didnt use to be
05:32 <mkzelda> didnt use to be
05:33 <mkzelda> lost my account for inactivity some time back, didnt bother to get an account once it became invite only
05:33 <mkzelda> lost my account for inactivity some time back, didnt bother to get an account once it became invite only
05:34 <mkzelda> its funny if you google "oink invite" you'll find a ton of ppl asking for invites on forums
05:34 <mkzelda> its funny if you google "oink invite" you'll find a ton of ppl asking for invites on forums
05:34 <mkzelda> i figured I'd solicit on irc
05:34 <mkzelda> i figured I'd solicit on irc
05:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: loans are evil-- avoid at all costs
05:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: loans are evil-- avoid at all costs
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06:40 * Lucifer_arma notes you don't take financial aid advice from someone who hates college
06:40 * Lucifer_arma notes you don't take financial aid advice from someone who hates college
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> If you repeat a course in an effort to raise your grade, each instance in which you took the course will be counted when your GPA is computed. <--- no point retaking calc 2 then
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> If you repeat a course in an effort to raise your grade, each instance in which you took the course will be counted when your GPA is computed. <--- no point retaking calc 2 then
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06:42 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron, when you do start classes?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> hey DrJoeTron, when you do start classes?
06:43 <DrJoeTron> i started them on monday
06:43 <DrJoeTron> i started them on monday
06:43 <DrJoeTron> schedule is great
06:43 <DrJoeTron> schedule is great
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> aha. I start on Monday, heh. :)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> aha. I start on Monday, heh. :)
06:44 * Lucifer_arma is looking over transfer information at UT right now, considering starting in on his resume/essays
06:44 * Lucifer_arma is looking over transfer information at UT right now, considering starting in on his resume/essays
06:44 <DrJoeTron> im pretty much restarting from the ground up
06:44 <DrJoeTron> im pretty much restarting from the ground up
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> really? wow
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> really? wow
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so what're you after now, then?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so what're you after now, then?
06:48 <DrJoeTron> still transferring
06:48 <DrJoeTron> still transferring
06:48 <DrJoeTron> but because i switched majors
06:48 <DrJoeTron> but because i switched majors
06:48 <DrJoeTron> the requirements are completely different
06:48 <DrJoeTron> the requirements are completely different
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> (Any significant drop in your grade point average in the courses you take before enrolling at UT Austin may result in the withdrawal of the university's offer of admission.)
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> (Any significant drop in your grade point average in the courses you take before enrolling at UT Austin may result in the withdrawal of the university's offer of admission.)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just be careful. I know a guy who switched majors like 3 times at the community college when he got into the classes and realized he wasn't interested/too hard,
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just be careful. I know a guy who switched majors like 3 times at the community college when he got into the classes and realized he wasn't interested/too hard,
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> now his GPA is like a 1.7 and he's on academic probation
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> now his GPA is like a 1.7 and he's on academic probation
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> smart guy, just a little young, partying out mostly instead of studying. :/
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> smart guy, just a little young, partying out mostly instead of studying. :/
06:51 <DrJoeTron> haha
06:51 <DrJoeTron> haha
06:52 <DrJoeTron> im aware
06:52 <DrJoeTron> im aware
06:52 <DrJoeTron> i got excellent grades last semester
06:52 <DrJoeTron> i got excellent grades last semester
06:52 <DrJoeTron> best in my life
06:52 <DrJoeTron> best in my life
06:52 <DrJoeTron> so i think il be going places
06:52 <DrJoeTron> so i think il be going places
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> and quit typing like Titnass, heh
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> and quit typing like Titnass, heh
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I need to find out about honors programs in my community college now. I've only got 1.5 years left there, so if I'm gonna do it, now's the time
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I need to find out about honors programs in my community college now. I've only got 1.5 years left there, so if I'm gonna do it, now's the time
06:53 <DrJoeTron> oh
06:53 <DrJoeTron> oh
06:53 <DrJoeTron> heh good luck
06:53 <DrJoeTron> heh good luck
06:54 <DrJoeTron> im starting to see people at my community college from my high school who couldnt hack it their first year at a university :D
06:54 <DrJoeTron> im starting to see people at my community college from my high school who couldnt hack it their first year at a university :D
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I won't see that. :/
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I won't see that. :/
06:56 <DrJoeTron> thats a good thing, these are people i never wanted to see again
06:56 <DrJoeTron> thats a good thing, these are people i never wanted to see again
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I just spent the summer with kids who failed calc 2 at UT and took it at the community college instead so they could stay on track in the fall
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> but I just spent the summer with kids who failed calc 2 at UT and took it at the community college instead so they could stay on track in the fall
06:57 <DrJoeTron> college has turned me into quite the anti socialite
06:57 <DrJoeTron> college has turned me into quite the anti socialite
06:59 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why, i usually very talkative (if you havent noticed) :p
06:59 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why, i usually very talkative (if you havent noticed) :p
06:59 <GodTodd> goddamn my farts stink :/
06:59 <GodTodd> goddamn my farts stink :/
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really really looking forward to the fall
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really really looking forward to the fall
07:01 <DrJoeTron> its been great for me so far
07:01 <DrJoeTron> its been great for me so far
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> after the wasteland of snobby UT kids that was my calc 2 class, I'm looking forward to being back with the normally down-to-earth ACC kids
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> after the wasteland of snobby UT kids that was my calc 2 class, I'm looking forward to being back with the normally down-to-earth ACC kids
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how I'm gonna survive UT at this point. I might have to take a rifle up to the top of the tower and start shooting people.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how I'm gonna survive UT at this point. I might have to take a rifle up to the top of the tower and start shooting people.
07:02 <GodTodd> heh
07:02 <GodTodd> heh
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
07:05 <DrJoeTron> havent heard that name brought up in quite a long time
07:05 <DrJoeTron> havent heard that name brought up in quite a long time
07:05 <GodTodd> i have a couple rifles you could borrow if you need them ;)
07:05 <GodTodd> i have a couple rifles you could borrow if you need them ;)
07:05 <DrJoeTron> and he was an eagle scout :D
07:05 <DrJoeTron> and he was an eagle scout :D
07:08 <DrJoeTron> i rmember when i got my eagle
07:08 <DrJoeTron> i rmember when i got my eagle
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07:24 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: really?
07:24 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: really?
07:24 <DrJoeTron> #night
07:24 <DrJoeTron> #night
07:24 <armabot> Good night DrJoeTron!
07:24 <armabot> Good night DrJoeTron!
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07:26 <GodTodd> really what?
07:26 <GodTodd> really what?
07:27 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: you'll let me borrow some rifles? :)
07:27 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: you'll let me borrow some rifles? :)
07:27 <GodTodd> nah was offering them to Lucifer_arma
07:27 <GodTodd> nah was offering them to Lucifer_arma
07:27 <GodTodd> :)
07:27 <GodTodd> :)
07:28 <luke-jr_> makes sense, he's much closer
07:28 <luke-jr_> makes sense, he's much closer
07:28 <GodTodd> heh
07:28 <GodTodd> heh
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07:31 <luke-jr_> ...
07:31 <luke-jr_> ...
07:31 <luke-jr_> now when my daughter starts fussing
07:31 <luke-jr_> now when my daughter starts fussing
07:31 <luke-jr_> she says "I'm baby" first
07:31 <luke-jr_> she says "I'm baby" first
07:31 <luke-jr_> >.>
07:31 <luke-jr_> >.>
07:32 <GodTodd> how old?
07:32 <GodTodd> how old?
07:32 <luke-jr_> 11 mo
07:32 <luke-jr_> 11 mo
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07:33 <GodTodd> cool
07:33 <GodTodd> cool
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07:50 <luke-jr_> she's pretty strange
07:50 <luke-jr_> she's pretty strange
07:50 <luke-jr_> instead of playing with her toy, she prefers to take it apart piece by piece
07:50 <luke-jr_> instead of playing with her toy, she prefers to take it apart piece by piece
07:50 <luke-jr_> tho she hasn't quite figured out the cylinder
07:50 <luke-jr_> tho she hasn't quite figured out the cylinder
07:51 <GodTodd> yeah...my son does that a lot too :/
07:51 <GodTodd> yeah...my son does that a lot too :/
07:51 <GodTodd> not as much as he used to tho
07:51 <GodTodd> not as much as he used to tho
07:51 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <luke-jr_> how old is he?
07:51 <luke-jr_> how old is he?
07:51 <GodTodd> that one is 8
07:51 <GodTodd> that one is 8
07:51 <luke-jr_> o.O
07:51 <luke-jr_> o.O
07:51 <luke-jr_> this goes on for 8 years? =p
07:51 <luke-jr_> this goes on for 8 years? =p
07:52 <GodTodd> depends on the kid i suppose ;)
07:52 <GodTodd> depends on the kid i suppose ;)
07:52 <luke-jr_> I guess LEGOs is the solution for when she's older...
07:52 <luke-jr_> I guess LEGOs is the solution for when she's older...
07:52 <luke-jr_> or maybe Knex
07:52 <luke-jr_> or maybe Knex
07:52 <GodTodd> dunno...i've stepped on so many of those in barefeet :)
07:52 <GodTodd> dunno...i've stepped on so many of those in barefeet :)
07:52 <luke-jr_> heh
07:52 <luke-jr_> heh
07:53 <GodTodd> lately he's into firemen tho
07:53 <GodTodd> lately he's into firemen tho
07:53 <luke-jr_> ...O.o
07:53 <luke-jr_> ...O.o
07:53 <luke-jr_> the kind that burn books?
07:53 <luke-jr_> the kind that burn books?
07:54 <GodTodd> nah...the conventional kind
07:54 <GodTodd> nah...the conventional kind
07:54 <luke-jr_> heh
07:54 <luke-jr_> heh
07:55 <GodTodd> trying to teach the value of a dollar so we took him shopping with his own money and he bought a set of six
07:55 <GodTodd> trying to teach the value of a dollar so we took him shopping with his own money and he bought a set of six
07:55 <GodTodd> heh
07:55 <GodTodd> heh
07:55 <luke-jr_> six what?
07:55 <luke-jr_> six what?
07:55 <GodTodd> firemen
07:55 <GodTodd> firemen
07:55 <luke-jr_> lol
07:55 <luke-jr_> lol
07:56 <luke-jr_> you should teach him how stupid people are, and give him a few silver coins to spend
07:56 <luke-jr_> you should teach him how stupid people are, and give him a few silver coins to spend
07:56 <luke-jr_> (real silver)
07:56 <luke-jr_> (real silver)
07:56 <GodTodd> heh
07:56 <GodTodd> heh
07:56 <luke-jr_> I highly doubt you'll find a store that takes them =p
07:56 <luke-jr_> I highly doubt you'll find a store that takes them =p
07:57 <luke-jr_> even though they have real value, and aren't just paper
07:57 <luke-jr_> even though they have real value, and aren't just paper
07:57 <GodTodd> yep
07:57 <GodTodd> yep
07:58 <luke-jr_> hm, that just made me think of a solution to student loans
07:58 <luke-jr_> hm, that just made me think of a solution to student loans
07:58 <luke-jr_> ask them for a location I can pay them off in cash ;)
07:58 <luke-jr_> ask them for a location I can pay them off in cash ;)
07:58 <luke-jr_> if they refuse, the debt loses its legality =p
07:58 <luke-jr_> if they refuse, the debt loses its legality =p
07:59 <GodTodd> and if they give you one?
07:59 <GodTodd> and if they give you one?
07:59 <GodTodd> :P
07:59 <GodTodd> :P
08:00 <mkzelda> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
08:00 <mkzelda> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
08:00 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: then you still need to pay it, I guess
08:00 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: then you still need to pay it, I guess
08:00 <mkzelda> "Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews."
08:00 <mkzelda> "Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, stressing that the Rothschilds are reptiles, not Jews."
08:01 <mkzelda> heh, ima use that excuse for saying whatever I want
08:01 <mkzelda> heh, ima use that excuse for saying whatever I want
08:01 <mkzelda> "THEY'RE REPTILES!!!"
08:01 <mkzelda> "THEY'RE REPTILES!!!"
08:01 <mkzelda> luke-jr_ is a reptilian humanoid
08:01 <mkzelda> luke-jr_ is a reptilian humanoid
08:02 <luke-jr_> rofl
08:02 <luke-jr_> rofl
08:03 <GodTodd> i used to be a newt
08:03 <GodTodd> i used to be a newt
08:03 <GodTodd> but i got better :)
08:03 <GodTodd> but i got better :)
08:03 <luke-jr_> nothing wrong with being anti-Jew, but anti-semetic is just racist...
08:03 <luke-jr_> nothing wrong with being anti-Jew, but anti-semetic is just racist...
08:04 <mkzelda> only a true reptilian humanoid would say that
08:04 <mkzelda> only a true reptilian humanoid would say that
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism <--- if wikipedia is to be believed, I am an existentialist, as I've long suspected :)
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism <--- if wikipedia is to be believed, I am an existentialist, as I've long suspected :)
08:04 <luke-jr_> Wikipedia probably isn't to be believed
08:04 <luke-jr_> Wikipedia probably isn't to be believed
08:04 <luke-jr_> esp regarding religion
08:04 <luke-jr_> esp regarding religion
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> luckily for me, existentialism isn't a religion
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> luckily for me, existentialism isn't a religion
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> *phew*
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> *phew*
08:05 <luke-jr_> depends on the definition used for religion
08:05 <luke-jr_> depends on the definition used for religion
08:05 <luke-jr_> looks like a belief system, at least
08:05 <luke-jr_> looks like a belief system, at least
08:05 <mkzelda> depends on what your definition of is is
08:05 <mkzelda> depends on what your definition of is is
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you mean by "definition"
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> depends on what you mean by "definition"
08:06 <luke-jr_> nah, 'religion' is one of those words with too many definitions
08:06 <luke-jr_> nah, 'religion' is one of those words with too many definitions
08:06 <luke-jr_> one which supports Luci and one which doesn't
08:06 <luke-jr_> one which supports Luci and one which doesn't
08:06 <GodTodd> depends on what you mean by "depends"
08:06 <GodTodd> depends on what you mean by "depends"
08:06 <mkzelda> what is the difference between an old pussy and a young pussy?
08:06 <mkzelda> what is the difference between an old pussy and a young pussy?
08:06 <GodTodd> depends
08:06 <GodTodd> depends
08:06 <mkzelda> haha
08:06 <mkzelda> haha
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I define religion as "idiotic believe that some all-powerful person created the universe, unless he did it with a sneeze"
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, I define religion as "idiotic believe that some all-powerful person created the universe, unless he did it with a sneeze"
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you were in that english class with me senior year in high school, right?
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you were in that english class with me senior year in high school, right?
08:09 <GodTodd> possibly
08:09 <GodTodd> possibly
08:09 <GodTodd> heh
08:09 <GodTodd> heh
08:10 <mkzelda> what is funny about that Icke guy is the fact that the jews shut him down for saying that a small jewish clique runs the world
08:10 <mkzelda> what is funny about that Icke guy is the fact that the jews shut him down for saying that a small jewish clique runs the world
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> you remember having a big argument over existentialism?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> you remember having a big argument over existentialism?
08:10 <GodTodd> yeah
08:10 <GodTodd> yeah
08:10 <mkzelda> which somewhat proves his point
08:10 <mkzelda> which somewhat proves his point
08:10 <mkzelda> heh
08:10 <mkzelda> heh
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> shut up mkzelda
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> shut up mkzelda
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:10 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: he's lucky they didn't kill him
08:10 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: he's lucky they didn't kill him
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> <---- not jewish
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> <---- not jewish
08:11 <luke-jr_> he must have lacked proof
08:11 <luke-jr_> he must have lacked proof
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if he'd been saying catholics ran the world, they would've killed *and* eaten hiim
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if he'd been saying catholics ran the world, they would've killed *and* eaten hiim
08:11 <GodTodd> don't forget the sodomy!
08:11 <GodTodd> don't forget the sodomy!
08:11 <GodTodd> heh
08:11 <GodTodd> heh
08:11 <mkzelda> haha
08:11 <mkzelda> haha
08:11 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, I'm starting to think you're reptilian
08:11 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, I'm starting to think you're reptilian
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Remember Sodom!
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Remember Sodom!
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> cold-blooded?
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> cold-blooded?
08:11 <luke-jr_> nah, if he said that then the few Catholics who found out would just think "I wish"
08:11 <luke-jr_> nah, if he said that then the few Catholics who found out would just think "I wish"
08:12 <mkzelda> I hear that reptiles will bounce if dropped from a considerable height
08:12 <mkzelda> I hear that reptiles will bounce if dropped from a considerable height
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> anything will
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> anything will
08:12 <luke-jr_> lol
08:12 <luke-jr_> lol
08:12 <mkzelda> reptiles dont burn either
08:12 <mkzelda> reptiles dont burn either
08:12 <mkzelda> so, we can put you in the fire
08:12 <mkzelda> so, we can put you in the fire
08:12 <luke-jr_> Is Saddam Hussein a US plant?
08:12 <luke-jr_> Is Saddam Hussein a US plant?
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, he's an Iraq plant
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, he's an Iraq plant
08:13 <GodTodd> i thought he was a dude....
08:13 <GodTodd> i thought he was a dude....
08:13 <mkzelda> he refused to enter his plea
08:13 <mkzelda> he refused to enter his plea
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> um, afaik, the CIA put him in his place in Iraq
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> um, afaik, the CIA put him in his place in Iraq
08:13 <mkzelda> convert or die
08:13 <mkzelda> convert or die
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> just like they trained Bin Laden and them
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> just like they trained Bin Laden and them
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> Today, we live in the CIA's toilet bowl
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> Today, we live in the CIA's toilet bowl
08:13 <mkzelda> i think your conversion was insincere
08:13 <mkzelda> i think your conversion was insincere
08:14 <mkzelda> die
08:14 <mkzelda> die
08:14 <luke-jr_> the CIA planting him is a known fact?
08:14 <luke-jr_> the CIA planting him is a known fact?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if Bush should be remembered for doing anything worthwhile, let's try to remember him for castrating the CIA
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> and if Bush should be remembered for doing anything worthwhile, let's try to remember him for castrating the CIA
08:14 <luke-jr_> I, for one, am against the "war on terror"
08:14 <luke-jr_> I, for one, am against the "war on terror"
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> um, sure luke, the CIA planting him is a known fact.
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> um, sure luke, the CIA planting him is a known fact.
08:14 <mkzelda> the CIA manufactured crack and gave it to the black community
08:14 <mkzelda> the CIA manufactured crack and gave it to the black community
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> as sure as the Earth revolves around teh Sun, the CIA put Hussein in Iraq
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> as sure as the Earth revolves around teh Sun, the CIA put Hussein in Iraq
08:14 <mkzelda> luke-jr_, you must be a terrorist then
08:14 <mkzelda> luke-jr_, you must be a terrorist then
08:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so not sure at all
08:15 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so not sure at all
08:15 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: by Bush's definition, probably
08:15 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: by Bush's definition, probably
08:15 <mkzelda> :D
08:15 <mkzelda> :D
08:15 <GodTodd> the earth revolves around the sun? holy shit...you just blew my whole belief system :/
08:15 <GodTodd> the earth revolves around the sun? holy shit...you just blew my whole belief system :/
08:15 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <mkzelda> if you disagree with the patriot act what does that make you?
08:15 <mkzelda> if you disagree with the patriot act what does that make you?
08:15 <luke-jr_> I heard the CIA planed Hussein from the X-Files, so I hadn't a clue if it was true =p
08:15 <luke-jr_> I heard the CIA planed Hussein from the X-Files, so I hadn't a clue if it was true =p
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> a patriot, ironically enough
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> a patriot, ironically enough
08:16 <mkzelda> i saw it on tv so it must be true
08:16 <mkzelda> i saw it on tv so it must be true
08:16 <luke-jr_> what if I disagree with the Patriot Act, but I don't want to be a patriot?
08:16 <luke-jr_> what if I disagree with the Patriot Act, but I don't want to be a patriot?
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well why not? You believe the Bible, why not believe the X-Files too? Not much difference between them, except the X-Files occasionally cites a real fact.
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well why not? You believe the Bible, why not believe the X-Files too? Not much difference between them, except the X-Files occasionally cites a real fact.
08:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: X-Files is fiction
08:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: X-Files is fiction
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> then watch out for our Patriots
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> then watch out for our Patriots
08:16 <mkzelda> catholics are getting birth control now?
08:16 <mkzelda> catholics are getting birth control now?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's called the Spanish Inquisition, and they've had it for years
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's called the Spanish Inquisition, and they've had it for years
08:17 <luke-jr_> birth control is evil, and has always been condemned by the Church
08:17 <luke-jr_> birth control is evil, and has always been condemned by the Church
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> nobody expects it!
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> nobody expects it!
08:17 <mkzelda> arent they changing that stance though
08:17 <mkzelda> arent they changing that stance though
08:17 <luke-jr_> 1. Spanish Inquisition wasn't Catholic
08:17 <luke-jr_> 1. Spanish Inquisition wasn't Catholic
08:17 <mkzelda> i think they're in desperate need of more soldiers
08:17 <mkzelda> i think they're in desperate need of more soldiers
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> with that ultra-conservative as pope?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> with that ultra-conservative as pope?
08:17 <luke-jr_> 2. Spanish Inquisiton only killed a three-digit number of people
08:17 <luke-jr_> 2. Spanish Inquisiton only killed a three-digit number of people
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> um, yeah, the Spanish Inquisition was Catholic
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> um, yeah, the Spanish Inquisition was Catholic
08:17 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the Catholic Church does not change
08:17 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the Catholic Church does not change
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> um, no, it killed millions of people throughout europe
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> um, no, it killed millions of people throughout europe
08:18 <mkzelda> hrm, thats crazy
08:18 <mkzelda> hrm, thats crazy
08:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there is no Pope of the Catholic Church at this time
08:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there is no Pope of the Catholic Church at this time
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> how many died in the 30 years war by itself?
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> how many died in the 30 years war by itself?
08:18 <mkzelda> most people learn to adapt to their surroundings
08:18 <mkzelda> most people learn to adapt to their surroundings
08:18 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the Catholic Church is infallible, and only teaches the Truth
08:18 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the Catholic Church is infallible, and only teaches the Truth
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> you make the mistake of thinking the catholic church has "people" in it
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> you make the mistake of thinking the catholic church has "people" in it
08:18 <mkzelda> how long was the 30 years war?
08:18 <mkzelda> how long was the 30 years war?
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> shorter than the 100-years war
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> shorter than the 100-years war
08:19 <luke-jr_> lol
08:19 <luke-jr_> lol
08:19 <mkzelda> luke-jr_, There is no spoon?
08:19 <mkzelda> luke-jr_, There is no spoon?
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, at the time the spanish inquisition was created, the King in most/all european countries ruled with the consent of the Church and was crowned by the pope or the pope's indicated officer
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, at the time the spanish inquisition was created, the King in most/all european countries ruled with the consent of the Church and was crowned by the pope or the pope's indicated officer
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> so when the king of spain created the Spanish Inquisition, it was considered an arm of the church, even if it was controlled by the throne
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> so when the king of spain created the Spanish Inquisition, it was considered an arm of the church, even if it was controlled by the throne
08:20 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: from what I hear, not only is there a spoon, but it is bigger than the ladle
08:20 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: from what I hear, not only is there a spoon, but it is bigger than the ladle
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> and is the shining example of why separation of church and state is a Good Idea
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> and is the shining example of why separation of church and state is a Good Idea
08:21 <mkzelda> Its convenient to create a doctrine that says its infallible
08:21 <mkzelda> Its convenient to create a doctrine that says its infallible
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I might have a few details backwards, btw, but the underlying relationships should be the same :)
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> I might have a few details backwards, btw, but the underlying relationships should be the same :)
08:21 <luke-jr_> who wants to go turn the tables at CTWF?
08:21 <luke-jr_> who wants to go turn the tables at CTWF?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I've found it more convenient to assume fallibility
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I've found it more convenient to assume fallibility
08:21 <GodTodd> The historian Hernando del Pulgar, contemporary of Ferdinand and Isabella, estimated that the Inquisition had burned at the stake 2,000 people and reconciled another 15,000 by 1490 (just one decade after the inquisition began).
08:21 <GodTodd> The historian Hernando del Pulgar, contemporary of Ferdinand and Isabella, estimated that the Inquisition had burned at the stake 2,000 people and reconciled another 15,000 by 1490 (just one decade after the inquisition began).
08:21 <mkzelda> I think I shall make such claims
08:21 <mkzelda> I think I shall make such claims
08:21 <GodTodd> dunno...any 3 digit numbers there?
08:21 <GodTodd> dunno...any 3 digit numbers there?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> 1490?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> 1490?
08:22 <mkzelda> if you disagree, you are wrong
08:22 <mkzelda> if you disagree, you are wrong
08:22 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: the protestants burned at the stake, not the inquisition
08:22 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: the protestants burned at the stake, not the inquisition
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, actually, since you put it that way, no
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, actually, since you put it that way, no
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> I see two numbers that are 1 and 2 significant digits, which is less than 3
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> I see two numbers that are 1 and 2 significant digits, which is less than 3
08:22 <GodTodd> heh
08:22 <GodTodd> heh
08:22 <GodTodd> :P
08:22 <GodTodd> :P
08:22 <luke-jr_> Imma play on CTWF for a bit
08:22 <luke-jr_> Imma play on CTWF for a bit
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler also only had killed no more than 3 significant digits in his camps
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> Hitler also only had killed no more than 3 significant digits in his camps
08:23 <GodTodd> yep
08:23 <GodTodd> yep
08:23 <mkzelda> i may join ya luke-jr_
08:23 <mkzelda> i may join ya luke-jr_
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08:23 <Lucifer_arma> "What has France ever done for the World?" to which Jean Girard responds, "We provided the world with Democracy, Existentialism, and the Menage-a-trois."
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> "What has France ever done for the World?" to which Jean Girard responds, "We provided the world with Democracy, Existentialism, and the Menage-a-trois."
08:23 <mkzelda> ill be something like ^-^^-^^-^
08:23 <mkzelda> ill be something like ^-^^-^^-^
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: started classes yet?
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: started classes yet?
08:24 <GodTodd> nope...monday
08:24 <GodTodd> nope...monday
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah. yeah, me too
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> ah. yeah, me too
08:24 <GodTodd> 270$ in books
08:24 <GodTodd> 270$ in books
08:24 <GodTodd> :/
08:24 <GodTodd> :/
08:24 <GodTodd> heh
08:24 <GodTodd> heh
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> damn college's site is down right now, I want to print my schedule
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> damn college's site is down right now, I want to print my schedule
08:25 <GodTodd> i did that a while back
08:25 <GodTodd> i did that a while back
08:25 <GodTodd> :)
08:25 <GodTodd> :)
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> well I'm approved for enough financial aid that finally I won't have to shell out any money for school, but it hasn't arrived yet, heh
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> well I'm approved for enough financial aid that finally I won't have to shell out any money for school, but it hasn't arrived yet, heh
08:25 <GodTodd> cccc's site is on a schedule...i don't understand that
08:25 <GodTodd> cccc's site is on a schedule...i don't understand that
08:25 <GodTodd> heh
08:25 <GodTodd> heh
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> so it'll be a reimbursement thing instead, I'll put out the cash and get reimbursed
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> so it'll be a reimbursement thing instead, I'll put out the cash and get reimbursed
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need to get enough financial aid that I can quit working and just go to school :/
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> now I just need to get enough financial aid that I can quit working and just go to school :/
08:26 <GodTodd> i haven't tried for loans and i won't qualify for free money :/
08:26 <GodTodd> i haven't tried for loans and i won't qualify for free money :/
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> some loans are part of your fafsa application
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> some loans are part of your fafsa application
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> and you probably won't qualify for much, but you should try anyway :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> and you probably won't qualify for much, but you should try anyway :)
08:26 <GodTodd> i didn't do a fafsa this time
08:26 <GodTodd> i didn't do a fafsa this time
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> having 2 kids might make a difference, depends what karen makes
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> having 2 kids might make a difference, depends what karen makes
08:27 <GodTodd> in the area of 75K
08:27 <GodTodd> in the area of 75K
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> fafsa is once a year, do it before APril, pretty much
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> fafsa is once a year, do it before APril, pretty much
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah i know
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> also depends on how many credit hours you intend to take
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah i know
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> also depends on how many credit hours you intend to take
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I did mine late, did in in the middle of summer
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I did mine late, did in in the middle of summer
08:28 <GodTodd> that i don't know yet for next semester....i'm taking ten this time around
08:28 <GodTodd> that i don't know yet for next semester....i'm taking ten this time around
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> probably why my pell grant is so much lower than it was before
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> probably why my pell grant is so much lower than it was before
08:28 * Lucifer_arma is taking 14 credit hours :)
08:28 * Lucifer_arma is taking 14 credit hours :)
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I almost have enough to transfer to UT
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I almost have enough to transfer to UT
08:28 <GodTodd> i'll probably be in that range next time
08:28 <GodTodd> i'll probably be in that range next time
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 12 in the spring, 0 next summer, 11 next fall
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> 12 in the spring, 0 next summer, 11 next fall
08:29 <GodTodd> i got to start out as a freshman 12
08:29 <GodTodd> i got to start out as a freshman 12
08:30 <GodTodd> so i'll have 22 come xmastime
08:30 <GodTodd> so i'll have 22 come xmastime
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> so now that I qualify for the honors program, there aren't any honors classes left for me to take :/
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> so now that I qualify for the honors program, there aren't any honors classes left for me to take :/
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> but it's worth considering getting in it and taking comp 2, since they offer a sci-fi class :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> but it's worth considering getting in it and taking comp 2, since they offer a sci-fi class :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> then I can squeeze out literature before then....hmmmm...................................................
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> then I can squeeze out literature before then....hmmmm...................................................
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> definitely a consideration
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> definitely a consideration
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:35 <GodTodd> heh
08:40 <GodTodd> i wonder if i'll have to requalify for phi theta kappa
08:40 <GodTodd> i wonder if i'll have to requalify for phi theta kappa
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> you're a frat boy!?!?!?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> you're a frat boy!?!?!?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I threw away the phi theta kappa spam I got
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I threw away the phi theta kappa spam I got
08:55 <GodTodd> it's not a frat :P
08:55 <GodTodd> it's not a frat :P
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, it didn't strike me as being terribly useful and it had greek letters for a name. How is that not a fraternity?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, it didn't strike me as being terribly useful and it had greek letters for a name. How is that not a fraternity?
09:00 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
09:00 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
09:01 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
09:01 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
09:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
09:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
09:04 <GodTodd> it's an honor society thingie
09:04 <GodTodd> it's an honor society thingie
09:04 <Vanhayes> #later tell wrtlprnft in #realchatlogs after Log opened Wed Aug 23 23:21:18 2006 in the log-2006-08-23.txt log every line is shown twice
09:04 <Vanhayes> #later tell wrtlprnft in #realchatlogs after Log opened Wed Aug 23 23:21:18 2006 in the log-2006-08-23.txt log every line is shown twice
09:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
09:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
09:05 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_Theta_Kappa
09:05 <GodTodd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_Theta_Kappa
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> it still looks mostly like ceremonial garb
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> it still looks mostly like ceremonial garb
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. nothing to it
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. nothing to it
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> the thing they sent me said I'd have to *do* something, and when I compared what I had to do against what I had to gain I determined it wasn't worth it for me to join
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> the thing they sent me said I'd have to *do* something, and when I compared what I had to do against what I had to gain I determined it wasn't worth it for me to join
09:13 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: o that's you =p
09:13 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: o that's you =p
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if I was 20 and had nothing to do it would be different, but I've got too much other shit going on to take on something that requires me to put out time and effort but gives nothing in return
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if I was 20 and had nothing to do it would be different, but I've got too much other shit going on to take on something that requires me to put out time and effort but gives nothing in return
09:14 <GodTodd> i never had to *do* anything
09:14 <GodTodd> i never had to *do* anything
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> since I don't intend to graduate from the community college, it only matters what it looks like on a transfer application :)
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> since I don't intend to graduate from the community college, it only matters what it looks like on a transfer application :)
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm looking at their website and it says regions aren't allowed to require anybody to *do* anything
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm looking at their website and it says regions aren't allowed to require anybody to *do* anything
09:15 <GodTodd> they suggest you *do* stuff but i said nope
09:15 <GodTodd> they suggest you *do* stuff but i said nope
09:15 <GodTodd> :)
09:15 <GodTodd> :)
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably get another piece of spam this semester, I got the other one last fall
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably get another piece of spam this semester, I got the other one last fall
09:15 <luke-jr_> if it doesn't do anything for you, why does it matter if you're required to do anything or not? still pointless to join
09:15 <luke-jr_> if it doesn't do anything for you, why does it matter if you're required to do anything or not? still pointless to join
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> because joining something like that says "I'm hot shit and I know it"
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> because joining something like that says "I'm hot shit and I know it"
09:16 <luke-jr_> or at least "I think I am"
09:16 <luke-jr_> or at least "I think I am"
09:16 <luke-jr_> which more often probably means they're not =p
09:16 <luke-jr_> which more often probably means they're not =p
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, not really
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, not really
09:16 <GodTodd> more like "an international society thinks i am"
09:16 <GodTodd> more like "an international society thinks i am"
09:16 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> see, they have requirements that says you have to prove you're hot shit to join :)
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> see, they have requirements that says you have to prove you're hot shit to join :)
09:16 <luke-jr_> oh
09:16 <luke-jr_> oh
09:17 <luke-jr_> so you need to do something =p
09:17 <luke-jr_> so you need to do something =p
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> now, we can argue all day long whether or not those requirements actually prove what they're supposed to prove
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> now, we can argue all day long whether or not those requirements actually prove what they're supposed to prove
09:17 <GodTodd> that's a pointless argument tho ;)
09:17 <GodTodd> that's a pointless argument tho ;)
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the entrance requirement is a GPA of 3.5 or higher, and you have to maintain 3.25 or higher or get kicked out
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the entrance requirement is a GPA of 3.5 or higher, and you have to maintain 3.25 or higher or get kicked out
09:17 <GodTodd> yep
09:17 <GodTodd> yep
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> now, I have 3.88 right now (I got a B in calc 2 :( )
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> now, I have 3.88 right now (I got a B in calc 2 :( )
09:18 <luke-jr_> but what if I'd rather maintain a GPA of pi?
09:18 <luke-jr_> but what if I'd rather maintain a GPA of pi?
09:18 <luke-jr_> =p
09:18 <luke-jr_> =p
09:18 <GodTodd> pretty much the best use i can think of is that it shows you kept decent grades
09:18 <GodTodd> pretty much the best use i can think of is that it shows you kept decent grades
09:18 <GodTodd> at a quick glance
09:18 <GodTodd> at a quick glance
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if I toss them some money and wear their silly bracelet or whatever, then people will just be even more confused when they see me on the first day of class :)
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if I toss them some money and wear their silly bracelet or whatever, then people will just be even more confused when they see me on the first day of class :)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'll apply to the honors program at ACC, seriously, and take the sci-fi class :)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'll apply to the honors program at ACC, seriously, and take the sci-fi class :)
09:19 <GodTodd> it's a key thingie...i have it on my baseball cap
09:19 <GodTodd> it's a key thingie...i have it on my baseball cap
09:19 <GodTodd> heh
09:19 <GodTodd> heh
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put it on my Indiana Jones hat :)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'll put it on my Indiana Jones hat :)
09:19 <wrtlprnft_> lol
09:19 <wrtlprnft_> lol
09:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
09:19 <wrtlprnft> lol
09:19 <luke-jr_> ...
09:19 <luke-jr_> ...
09:19 <wrtlprnft> i forgot to close my 2nd IRSSI session
09:19 <wrtlprnft> i forgot to close my 2nd IRSSI session
09:20 * luke-jr_ tortures wrtlprnft with a hot iron
09:20 * luke-jr_ tortures wrtlprnft with a hot iron
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> damn catholic
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> damn catholic
09:20 <wrtlprnft> that's why all lines in the log come twice
09:20 <wrtlprnft> that's why all lines in the log come twice
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09:20 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:20 <wrtlprnft> i was using it to test utf-8
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> wussed out and left? you see that somewhere before? ;)
09:20 <luke-jr_> utf8 with irssi?
09:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: fixed, i was online with two clients, hence the double lines
09:21 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: sure, why not?
09:21 <wrtlprnft> the terminal has to support it
09:21 <Vanhayes> heh nice, it was confusing
09:21 * wrtlprnft refuses to teach spidey anything
09:21 <luke-jr_> aww
09:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: how about you?
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> how about me?
09:22 <luke-jr_> teach spidey about DPI
09:22 <luke-jr_> he thinks its just a setting he can stick an arbitrary number in
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> the Double Penetration Interrogation method?
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> teaching is like sex. You dont' do it to the unwilling.
09:23 <luke-jr_> I don't care how you teach him about Dots Per Inch
09:23 <luke-jr_> * Checking /usr/share/fonts/100dpi for useless files ... [ ok ]
09:23 <luke-jr_> wtf
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> it found your pr0n collection
09:24 <luke-jr_> the non-existent one?
09:25 * wrtlprnft will only teach him that dpi is a dumb unit
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.txptk.org/ <--- another Drupal site
09:25 <luke-jr_> ...
09:26 <luke-jr_> DPI is a ratio, not a unit =p
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> so you'll teach hiim that DPI is just like meters?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> so km/hour isn't a unit?
09:26 <luke-jr_> no, it's a ratio =p
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> "You see officer, mph isn't really a unit, therefore you can't give me a ticket"
09:26 <luke-jr_> lol
09:26 <wrtlprnft> x_X
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> units can be ratios, all a ratio is a relationship of a part to a whole
09:27 <arctanx> a mile is a unit, an hour is a unit, miles per hours is just a combination of them
09:27 <luke-jr_> ok luci, you'd know better on this one
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> it is the number of miles divided by the number of hours and is a rate of change
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> <luke-jr_> ok luci, you'd know better on this one <--- does luke need to see a doctor????
09:28 <arctanx> rate of change of distance with respect to time eh ;)
09:28 <luke-jr_> just because you're wrong often doesn't mean you're always wrong
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh, it's wordpress, not drupal
09:29 <wrtlprnft> still, dpi is a dumb whatever as it is derived from inches
09:29 <wrtlprnft> and it's dumb to use on pixel- based screens as well
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it's wrong to use on pixel-based screens
09:29 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: a pixel is a dot on the screen
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> the correct unit on screens is PPI
09:30 <Vanhayes> #quote add "ok luci, you'd know better on this one" -- luke-jr
09:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
09:30 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: on screens, pixel=dot
09:30 <Vanhayes> bah
09:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: no
09:30 <luke-jr_> give an example where DPI isn't PPI =p
09:30 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: windows
09:30 <luke-jr_> Not only Windows disagrees with you, but X does too
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> if I counted my red, green, and blue dots separately
09:30 <GodTodd> When the Windows setting is used to increase the resolution from 96 DPI to 120 DPI, it is compensating for the smaller pixels, and therefore everything is larger. <----- nope, can't change it :P
09:31 <luke-jr_> resolution: 103x110 dots per inch
09:31 <luke-jr_> (xdpyinfo)
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> just because they use it doesn't mean it's correct
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, look at those guys in europe using Kg to weigh people
09:33 <wrtlprnft> data:text/html,<p style="font-size:30pt">Hi there!</p><p style="30px">Hi there!</p>
09:33 <luke-jr_> hm, xorg-x11 7.1 was unmasked it seems?
09:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what's wrong with that?
09:33 <luke-jr_> Kg is a dumb unit
09:34 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: as opposed to america where we just measure our narcotics that way ;)
09:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: pt is inch-based, you know
09:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah
09:34 <wrtlprnft> then you can calculate its size
09:34 <wrtlprnft> #g 30pt in in
09:34 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
09:34 <wrtlprnft> #g 30 points in inch
09:34 <armabot> 30 PostScript points = 0.416666667 inch
09:34 <luke-jr_> 30/72
09:34 <luke-jr_> inches
09:35 <luke-jr_> #g 30/72
09:35 <armabot> 30 / 72 = 0.416666667
09:35 <wrtlprnft> same
09:35 <wrtlprnft> now you can measure it
09:35 <luke-jr_> yep
09:35 <luke-jr_> I already can measure it
09:35 <wrtlprnft> it probably won't fit exactly
09:35 <luke-jr_> ...
09:35 <luke-jr_> it will for me =p
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you know why nobody knows what the mass unit in the imperial system is?
09:35 <wrtlprnft> i mean, take a ruler and hold it to your screen
09:35 <luke-jr_> I actually configured my X server
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> nobody knows it because it's useless :)
09:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yes
09:35 <wrtlprnft> nope
09:36 <luke-jr_> ...
09:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.416666667 inch in cm
09:36 <armabot> 0.416666667 inch = 1.05833333 centimeters
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 kilogram in pound
09:36 <armabot> 1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pound
09:37 <luke-jr_> #g 72 points in inches
09:37 * Lucifer_arma wishes he remembered the mass unit in the imperial system, we talked about it in calc 2.
09:37 <armabot> 72 PostScript points = 1 inches
09:37 <wrtlprnft> on my screen 30pt are 0.8cm
09:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: then your X server is misconfigured
09:37 <wrtlprnft> size units just don't make any sense on screens
09:38 <wrtlprnft> pixel- based screens that is
09:38 <luke-jr_> sure they do
09:38 <GodTodd> http://www.exeter.ac.uk/cimt/dictunit/dictunit.htm#UK
09:38 <luke-jr_> pixel units don't make sense because they vary in size
09:38 <wrtlprnft> size as in length
09:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: which is a good thing
09:38 <luke-jr_> in Section "Monitor", you need to set DisplaySize <width> <height>
09:38 <luke-jr_> no
09:38 <wrtlprnft> what's <width>?
09:39 <luke-jr_> viewable display width in millimetres
09:39 <wrtlprnft> metres, centimetres, millimetres, decimetres, kilometres, ...?
09:39 <wrtlprnft> ah
09:39 <luke-jr_> when DisplaySize is present, X will calculate the correct DPI
09:39 <luke-jr_> in my case, 103x110
09:39 <luke-jr_> apparently I have non-square pixels =p
09:40 <GodTodd> well..opposites attract ;)
09:40 <luke-jr_> ...
09:40 <luke-jr_> true, but I don't see the application O.o
09:40 <GodTodd> look up...or you'll miss it
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't get why SI units are supposed to be better than imperial units. It's just one arbitrary system vs another.
09:41 <wrtlprnft> well, i need to restart my x11 anyways
09:41 <luke-jr_> who said anything about opposites?
09:41 <GodTodd> i did
09:41 <GodTodd> duh
09:41 <wrtlprnft> as i just changed my locale
09:41 <luke-jr_> so measure your monitor's viewing area first
09:41 <luke-jr_> so your DPI is corrected
09:41 <wrtlprnft> did
09:41 <luke-jr_> then adjust all your font sizes to what you *really* want =p
09:42 <wrtlprnft> 60 DisplaySize 285 214
09:42 <wrtlprnft> font sizes should be in pixels.
09:42 <luke-jr_> nothing should be in pixels
09:42 <wrtlprnft> blah
09:42 <luke-jr_> pixels are just a technicality that nobody should need to mess with =p
09:42 <wrtlprnft> in your world.
09:42 <arctanx> Lucifer_arma: if I'm writing a program I'd prefer to take someone's height in metres than feet/inches ;)
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd like to be able to set a scale. I like big things
09:43 <wrtlprnft> i'm mostly doing this for things like oo.org
09:43 <luke-jr_> yes, but a scale is a scale =p
09:43 <wrtlprnft> then i can have a 1:1 preview :P
09:43 <luke-jr_> scales work best in percentages, IMO
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> arctanx: I'll admit having a decimal system is useful when programming, but you still have to do conversions to presentable units
09:43 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: actually, how does X11 know that all my pixels are the same size?
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you make your internal atomic unit one thing and convert input to it, convert from it to something presentable
09:44 <arctanx> a base 10 system and with the notable exception of the kilogram, indisputable values for the units are the main features of SI
09:44 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: that's a basic assumption any platform makes
09:44 <luke-jr_> arctanx: base 10 sucks
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> you just have to base your internal system on that unit is all, and even then the choice is still arbitrary
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> the only thing I find really annoying is that gallons and tons are different sizes in US vs UK
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> if they're not the same size, they shouldn't have the same name!
09:45 <luke-jr_> gallon is part of a binary measuring system
09:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what sucks about base 10?
09:45 <wrtlprnft> easy to calculate with
09:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: not at all
09:46 <GodTodd> it's not in the bible
09:46 <GodTodd> heh
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's only easy to calculate with because that's how you've learned it
09:46 <wrtlprnft> i can convert millimetres to metres on a glance
09:46 <luke-jr_> base 2, 6, and 16 are easier
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> if you had been raised to do math with base 6, you'd think that was easier
09:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you can do that with a base 16 unit too
09:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, if you write it in base 16
09:46 <luke-jr_> 0x1000 / 0x10 = 0x100
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> so? So it's a system of units that are all based on the same arbitrary base
09:46 <luke-jr_> no reason not to
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I can convert inches to feet and back on a glance
09:47 * luke-jr_ uses base 6 when counting on his fingers
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> feet are more useful because 1 foot is divisble by 2, 3, 4, and 6 inches
09:47 <wrtlprnft> anyways, the "H" in "Hi there!" is still only 8 millimetres high
09:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: one metre is divisible into 2, 4, 8, 5, 25, 125. 10, 50, 150, 20, 100, 500 millimetres
09:49 * wrtlprnft wonders why you guys love percentages so much
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> 1 millimeter is too small to be useful for daily use
09:49 <wrtlprnft> why don't you have something where 360% = 1
09:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: really?
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> really. I never measure anything that small
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> not even my dick!
09:50 * wrtlprnft looks at his pen. it has the size of its tip printed on it in millimetres
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but I don't measure it, I write with it.
09:51 <wrtlprnft> and for anything big it's still useful to have millimetres around
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> I only care about the lead sizes in my pencils because I need to buy replacements
09:51 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
09:51 <wrtlprnft> it's in mm here too
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> when I was cutting rotors and drums in the brake shop, we measured in thousandths of an inch
09:52 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't it be way more handy to measure it in 12^(-3) of an inch?
09:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 12^3
09:52 <armabot> 12^3 = 1,728
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, because you're dealing with sizes that are for the most part too small to distinguish without something to help you
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> and that something is a fairly expensive precision measuring device, which you'd need no matter what units you were using
09:53 <wrtlprnft> #g .001 inch in mm
09:53 <armabot> .001 inch = 0.0254 millimeters
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i have something that can measure to that precision
09:54 <wrtlprnft> not that expensive
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it's not your eyes, is it?
09:54 <wrtlprnft> no
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> my eyes can measure 1 inch accurately enough for most of my daily needs
09:54 <wrtlprnft> i don't measure anything with my eyes
09:54 <wrtlprnft> then i don't measure it at all
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> you never take an eyeball measurement?
09:54 <wrtlprnft> if i do i don't have any units for it
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> you never look and say "looks like I need about <some amount> of rope"
09:55 <wrtlprnft> no
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> or "I need <some amount> of cat-5"
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> then go to the store and buy it?
09:55 <wrtlprnft> i take a measuring tape and know i need *exactly* that much
09:55 <wrtlprnft> then i'm sure i have the right amount
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> there's not usually any "exactly" about it, it's always "I need at least this much to cover <this area>, then probably a couple of extra feet to deal with <some other thing that can't be reasonably measured>"
09:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah, well
09:56 <wrtlprnft> if it's like that i can do that in metres too
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, no doubt that if I grew up in such an environment, I'd agree, but I'm quite competent with imperial units and besides arithmetic, I don't see what makes SI better
09:58 <wrtlprnft> it's used by about everyone but americans?
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, I find a foot to be a very useful measurement. In fact, both feet and inches can be easily measured without any special tools to an acceptable level of accuracy for daily use
09:59 <wrtlprnft> umm, i can measure metres no problem
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> "everybody's doing it" is *not* a reason for me to do something
09:59 <wrtlprnft> an a centimetre is about the width of my thumb
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can easily pace off feet
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> an an inch is about the length of the top two parts of my middle finger
10:00 <wrtlprnft> from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my small finger it's 20cm
10:00 <wrtlprnft> if i spread my hand, that is
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't object to switching over to SI units in the US, to be honest. I object to the snobbery some of you people throw about SI units.
10:01 <wrtlprnft> :P
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't want to lose a foot as a measurement, though, because it's so damn useful.
10:02 <wrtlprnft> well, first of all, the modern definition of a yard is a fraction of a metre
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, those definitions came into place during WWII when it was necessary to make some sense out of the differences in units, or so I hear
10:03 <wrtlprnft> err
10:03 <wrtlprnft> The international yard is equal to 0.9144 metres. The definition of the international yard was agreed by the United States and the countries of the Commonwealth of Nations in 1958.
10:03 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> the US and UK had to straighten out their differences
10:03 <wrtlprnft> 1958 isn't WWII
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> yeah, those definitions came into place during WWII when it was necessary to make some sense out of the differences in units, ***or so I hear***
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> and just because the agreement was reached in 1958 doesn't mean the problem wasn't found in 1941
10:05 * wrtlprnft thinks they should have decided to make one yard exactly one metre
10:05 * Lucifer_arma notes that a US/UK agreement could have been reached in 1942 in order to bomb the hell out of germany which still would have required the rest of the commonwealth to agree to it, and that could have easily taken ~20 years to work out
10:06 <wrtlprnft> that's kinda slow
10:06 * Lucifer_arma agrees they should have made 1 yard exactly one meter, and that they should have gone ahead and stretch a foot and stuff
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> not for measurements
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> SI hasn't been in use since the beginning of time, it took time for it to be adopted
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> even in France, and it was invented there :)
10:07 <GodTodd> in 1799
10:07 <wrtlprnft> well, of course, if you define a yard to be 1 metre, then a foot would be 3^(-1)m
10:07 <GodTodd> but it took a while to find a meter because of the official definition
10:07 <GodTodd> The unit of length was the metre which was defined as being one ten-millionth part of a quarter of the earth's circumference.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> in 1799? and Jules Vernes, a frenchman, was writing with english units in the late 1800s?
10:07 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: that was a while ago
10:08 <GodTodd> ummm yeah....200 years give or take
10:08 <GodTodd> that's a bit
10:08 <wrtlprnft> then they had some metal stick in france that was defined to be exactly one metre
10:08 <wrtlprnft> and then they decided to base it on the speed of light in vacuum
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> so they kept changing it?
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:08 <GodTodd> yep
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I understand why they kept changing it. :)
10:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, as physics advanced you needed a more accurate definition
10:09 <wrtlprnft> 200 years ago they didn't have a good measure of the speed of light
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you need something to calibrate your metering tools
10:09 <wrtlprnft> though there's still a master kilogram piece somewhere in france
10:10 <GodTodd> but then...that is arbitrarily agreed upon as a kg
10:10 <GodTodd> how do we know it really is?
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> those master thingees are probably all still kicking around, just not used anymore
10:10 <wrtlprnft> well, one kilogram = about the mass of 1m^3 water
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> seawater?
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> river water?
10:11 <GodTodd> and how do we know that the meter is correctly defined?
10:11 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the master kg is still the official definition
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> really?
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> hope they didn't use anything radioactive when they built it
10:11 <wrtlprnft> haha
10:11 <GodTodd> heh....we can take down all of europe
10:11 <GodTodd> shave a bit off the master kg piece
10:11 <GodTodd> :)
10:12 <wrtlprnft> The kilogram was originally defined as the mass of one litre of pure water at standard atmospheric pressure and at the temperature at which water has its maximum density (3.98 degrees Celsius).
10:12 <GodTodd> throw all weights and measures into chaos
10:12 <wrtlprnft> Since 1889, the SI system defines the unit to be equal to the mass of the international prototype of the kilogram, which is made from an alloy of platinum and iridium of 39 mm height and diameter, and is kept at the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures
10:12 <GodTodd> ok...so show me the liter is defined correctly :)
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> why not define it as a frozen piece of pure water? heh
10:12 <GodTodd> i could go on like this for hours :)
10:12 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: litre is defined by metres
10:12 <wrtlprnft> and metres are defined by the speed of light and seconds
10:12 <GodTodd> and i've already called meters into question
10:13 <wrtlprnft> and seconds are defined by themselves
10:13 <GodTodd> and the validity of the measure of seconds?
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, the difference between SI and imperial is that SI is built to be internally consistent, and imperial is built to be widely practical
10:13 <wrtlprnft> Under the International System of Units, the second is currently defined as the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. This definition refers to a caesium atom at rest at a temperature of 0 K.
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> what we use here in the US has evolved over a long period of time dating all the way back to the ROman empire
10:13 <GodTodd> and the validity of temperature measurements?
10:14 <GodTodd> :)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: 0K is the absolute 0
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> I've been wondering every since I learned the laws of refrigeration how you can use the changing state of water to define temperature
10:14 <wrtlprnft> doesn't need to have a unit
10:14 <GodTodd> and 'at rest' implies speed (or lack of) so what's the validity of speed measurements?
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> actually it's the absense of heat/energy
10:15 * Lucifer_arma starts his physics class Monday :)
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> *first physics class
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> the algebra-based one, that is
10:16 <GodTodd> all i'm saying is its all pretty arbitrary....some dudes a long time ago decided we should measure shit a certain way and we've been fixing it ever since ;)
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're both arbitrary systems, that's the point. :)
10:16 <GodTodd> yep
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> all's I'm saying is that feet and inches are useful measurements of distance, even if the conversions look silly
10:17 <GodTodd> si is no more valid than the correct one :)
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> I do think teaspoons/tablespoons are pretty silly, but their still useful increments
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> *they're
10:18 <GodTodd> anyway...
10:18 <GodTodd> #night
10:18 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
10:19 <Vanhayes> hmm why is there a lod bugfarm?
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> they want to find bugs in arma?
10:20 <wrtlprnft> probably not
10:20 <Vanhayes> I used the bug call but I m not expecting it to be noticed
10:20 <wrtlprnft> z-man should make bugfarm a trademark :P
10:21 <Vanhayes> probly just trying to steal some of the popularity of it
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> what do you expect from clanboys anyway?
10:21 <wrtlprnft> no good servers in use right now :s
10:22 <wrtlprnft> ctwf is empty, 4team fortress too, and my servers as well
10:22 <wrtlprnft> and i won't go on a lod server that claims to be bugfarm
10:23 * wrtlprnft almost expects to see a ŁØÐ|z-man on it
10:23 <wrtlprnft> fake of course
10:24 <Vanhayes> heh
10:24 * Vanhayes is tempted
10:24 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if they would kick him if he joined under that name
10:24 <wrtlprnft> "you're not in our clan, get rid of the tag or never play arma again"
10:25 <Vanhayes> hmm actually if they can steal a name I can steal their tags right?
10:25 <wrtlprnft> exactly
10:27 <wrtlprnft> --> sucks <-- renamed to ŁØÐ|sucks.
10:37 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
10:40 <Vanhayes> ugh wild west sumo (bugfarm)
10:40 <Vanhayes> another one
11:09 * Lucifer_arma smiles
11:09 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> I can be an Aggie and get the degree I want. That'll really irritate my in-laws
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> UT vs TA&M is a somewhat famous rivalry
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> Holy shit. Bjarne Stroustroup works at Texas A&M!
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> apparently I'm going to have to take Texas A&M a bit more seriously
11:53 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034178039.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does...."]
11:54 <spidey> skjdfskdjfh
11:58 <spidey> bah
11:58 <spidey> my cmos is going bad
12:11 <spidey> hmm
12:11 <spidey> i haven't been to the homeschool place in a month
12:11 <spidey> :s
12:11 <spidey> not sure if i'm even in it still :/
12:25 -!- eddiefantastic [n=ed@81.168.97.148] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
12:50 <spidey> #last --nolimit
12:51 <armabot> spidey: [12:11:16] <spidey> not sure if i'm even in it still :/, [12:11:02] <spidey> :s, [12:11:01] <spidey> i haven't been to the homeschool place in a month, [12:10:50] <spidey> hmm, [11:58:42] <spidey> my cmos is going bad, [11:58:35] <spidey> bah, [11:53:47] <spidey> skjdfskdjfh, [11:51:24] <Lucifer_arma> apparently I'm going to have to take Texas A&M a bit more seriously, [11:49:54] <Lucifer_arma> Holy shit. (50 more messages)
13:12 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034178039.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
13:12 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
13:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
13:35 <deja_vu_> spidey:
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14:01 <spidey> great
14:01 <spidey> got some of the stupid fucks who can't even fix there services guys from my isp coming out to install voip
14:01 <spidey> my grandma really doesn't listen to me -_-
14:02 <spidey> oh well, i'm dropping charter and switching in a few days -_-
14:11 -!- wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@85.233.38.240] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:14 <spidey> #last --nolimit
14:14 <armabot> spidey: [14:02:17] <spidey> oh well, i'm dropping charter and switching in a few days -_-, [14:01:45] <spidey> my grandma really doesn't listen to me -_-, [14:01:21] <spidey> got some of the stupid fucks who can't even fix there services guys from my isp coming out to install voip, [14:00:58] <spidey> great, [13:35:32] <deja_vu_> spidey:, [13:12:42] <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs, [12:50:39] <spidey> #last --nolimit, (50 more messages)
14:14 <Vanhayes> wow that was pointless
14:14 <wrtlprnft_> ?
14:15 <Vanhayes> they #last
14:15 <spidey> no?
14:15 <spidey> i had to reboot
14:15 <Vanhayes> ryes?
14:15 <spidey> -_-
14:15 <spidey> no...
14:15 <Vanhayes> but all it showed is what you just said
14:15 <spidey> duh
14:15 <spidey> it's bnc
14:16 <spidey> even when i'm not online my name will still be in here
14:16 <wrtlprnft_> but you don't keep logs?
14:16 <wrtlprnft_> that's useless
14:16 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
14:16 <Vanhayes> yes but you cant say anything and since you said something you were here
14:16 <spidey> mkzelda, hasn't told me how to log yet :p
14:16 <Vanhayes> and all that did was repeat what you just said
14:16 <spidey> besides i'd have to ssh to view logs
14:17 <spidey> that's alot of work :p
14:17 <wrtlprnft> so if i wake you you won't even read it
14:17 * wrtlprnft won't talk to spidey anymore.
14:17 <spidey> Vanhayes, shut it, i was seeing if anyone said anything after i left
14:17 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs --- much better
14:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
14:17 <wrtlprnft> lol
14:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: if they don't happen to print every line twice ;)
14:18 <Vanhayes> well yes
14:18 <spidey> then i'd have to open a webbroser yadayada
14:18 <Vanhayes> and if thry actually write anything down at all
14:18 <spidey> ...#last --nolimit is much better for a short log
14:18 <spidey> :)
14:19 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you using x-chat2?
14:19 <spidey> what's that got to do with anything?
14:19 <Vanhayes> cause all you have to do to keep a log is click a buttom
14:19 <Vanhayes> button*
14:19 <spidey> um
14:19 <spidey> dude
14:19 <spidey> the point is i WASN'T connect
14:19 <spidey> i can't view logs when my client is connected now can i?
14:20 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft_> but you don't keep logs?
14:20 <Vanhayes> <spidey> mkzelda, hasn't told me how to log yet :p
14:20 <spidey> ....
14:20 <spidey> that's for the bnc
14:20 <spidey> NOT MY CLIENT
14:20 <spidey> god
14:20 <Vanhayes> I LIKE CAPS TOO
14:20 <wrtlprnft> what's the point of bnc if you can't read what's happening?
14:21 <spidey> i can, just haven't bothered -_-
14:21 <wrtlprnft> then you might as well log out of IRC
14:21 <wrtlprnft> out of freenode
14:21 <wrtlprnft> and screw bnc or whatever
14:21 <spidey> no
14:21 <Vanhayes> anyway my point was that when you did #last --nolimit that time it was completely pointless
14:21 <wrtlprnft> get an ssh account and run irssi in a screen.
14:21 <spidey> because it's more simple to just connect to the bnc and be here
14:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:21 <spidey> instead of connecting
14:21 <wrtlprnft> what's simple about that
14:21 <spidey> identifing
14:21 <spidey> simple
14:22 <wrtlprnft> get your IRC client to identify for you
14:22 <spidey> .../server venture.quadspeedi.net 65000
14:22 <wrtlprnft> mine does
14:22 <spidey> then i'm in this room
14:22 <wrtlprnft> well
14:22 <wrtlprnft> i'm in this room before i login
14:22 <spidey> so am i :)
14:22 <wrtlprnft> and if i start irssi manually it automatically puts me in here
14:23 <spidey> why does everyone bitch about what i do?
14:23 <Vanhayes> mine does that too and identifys me at the same time
14:23 <wrtlprnft> and i will see my hilights unless i timed out and someone wrote them while i was already gone
14:23 * Vanhayes bitches at spidey
14:23 <spidey> it's my shell i'll run what i want on it
14:23 <spidey> -_-
14:23 * wrtlprnft bitches at soidey because it's fun
14:23 <Vanhayes> spidey: people bitch at you because luke-jr_ isnt here right now
14:23 <wrtlprnft> well, zombies are annoying
14:23 <wrtlprnft> you don't know if the person will actually see what you write, it's annoying
14:24 * Vanhayes pokes luke-jr_
14:24 <wrtlprnft> "bnc is nonstandard"
14:24 <wrtlprnft> that's what you'll hear from luke-jr_
14:24 <spidey> psh
14:24 <wrtlprnft> or, "bnc is a hack", which it is
14:24 <spidey> "luke_jr_ is nonstandard"
14:24 <spidey> no it's not
14:24 <spidey> bnc is a keep alive proxy
14:25 <wrtlprnft> what's the use?
14:25 <spidey> well
14:25 <wrtlprnft> get a good IRC client and screw bnc
14:25 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg bnc
14:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: B.N.C.: Biomechanical Networked Construct
14:25 <spidey> you're all like luke-jr_ , just because you think it's GOOD doesn't mean it is
14:25 <spidey> we all have different needs, and wants
14:25 <spidey> mine's bnc
14:25 <spidey> now leave me alone
14:26 * wrtlprnft has a need to keep annoying spidey
14:26 <Vanhayes> well since all we have to go on is what we think good=good to anyone who thinks something is good
14:26 <Vanhayes> #quote add "ok luci, you'd know better on this one" -- luke-jr
14:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
14:26 <Vanhayes> bah
14:26 <wrtlprnft> #quote add "ok luci, you'd know better on this one" -- luke-jr
14:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded. Quote #20 added.
14:26 <Vanhayes> heh nice
14:27 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
14:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
14:27 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
14:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
14:27 <wrtlprnft> #q
14:27 <spidey> #q 17
14:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 08:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
14:27 <armabot> spidey: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
14:27 <Vanhayes> lol
14:27 <spidey> #quate get 17
14:27 <Vanhayes> ahaha
14:27 <spidey> #quote get 17
14:27 <spidey> !
14:27 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:02 AM, June 14, 2006)
14:27 * wrtlprnft gets a quate for spidey
14:28 <Vanhayes> #dict quate
14:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "quate" could be found.
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #google spell quate
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: quote
14:28 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia quate
14:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.18 seconds: Calvin Quate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Quate>; List of numbers in various languages - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_various_languages>; Psychodidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodidae>; Quatre-Vallées - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
14:28 <Vanhayes> hmm why did I think quate was a real word?
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it is
14:28 <wrtlprnft> it's "four" in aranese
14:29 <wrtlprnft> and gascon
14:29 <wrtlprnft> and norman
14:29 <wrtlprnft> not that i knew any of these languages
14:30 <wrtlprnft> it's hard to find a combination of 5 letters that doesn't have a wikipedia entry
14:30 <Vanhayes> i dont think ive heard of any of them before beside norman
14:30 <wrtlprnft> well, except things like aaaaa
14:30 <spidey> #wikipedia wekf4
14:30 <armabot> spidey: No matches found. (Search took 0.29 seconds)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: letters
14:30 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia ekhfs
14:30 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 4 is not a letter
14:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.31 seconds)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> well, maybe it isn't
14:30 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia slaks
14:30 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.47 seconds)
14:30 <wrtlprnft> try 4 letters
14:31 <spidey> four is a letter
14:31 <wrtlprnft> #wikipedia khtc
14:31 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia dksl
14:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.23 seconds: KMXP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMXP>; Kumho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumho>; High school radio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_radio>; Kumho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumho_Group>
14:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: No matches found. (Search took 0.26 seconds)
14:31 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 4 is a number
14:31 <spidey> four is letters
14:31 <Vanhayes> how is 4 a letter?
14:31 <Vanhayes> <spidey> four is a letter
14:31 <wrtlprnft> well, screw wikipedia. it isn't mature enough yet ;)
14:31 <spidey> -_-
14:31 <Vanhayes> lol
14:32 <spidey> i know what i'ma do
14:32 <Vanhayes> give me money?
14:32 <spidey> i'ma go find those guys i normally play freeciv with, wait till they get good and built up
14:32 <spidey> then cause global warming
14:32 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_(alphabet)
14:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: what about some nuclear winter too?
14:33 <spidey> maybe
14:33 <spidey> drop about 7 nukes and it should be good
14:34 <spidey> noone in pregame
14:34 <spidey> so i'ma play local
14:34 <wrtlprnft> play without AIs, it's fun
14:34 <spidey> ...
14:34 <Vanhayes> ha
14:34 <wrtlprnft> reaching alpha centauri in like 500AD
14:35 <spidey> ....
14:35 <Vanhayes> well I made a bunch of worklists yesturday so now my turns shouldnt take that long
14:35 <Vanhayes> not that mine were that long but still time is time
14:35 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
14:58 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: hope he's not like spidey and uses a non-logging proxy
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15:08 <madmax|pt> hello
15:15 <spidey> it's max!
15:18 <madmax|pt> yea, im alive
15:19 <madmax|pt> :D
16:07 <spidey> you sure?
18:37 <madmax|pt> No.
19:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: BNC is like VNC =p
19:05 <luke-jr_> or a disconnectable X server
19:06 <luke-jr_> it has a use when you don't want to leave your IRC client running all the time, or want to check IRC from a remote location
19:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah, i know what it does
19:16 <wrtlprnft> but if you don't keep logs, why not just log in and out directly
19:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:25 <luke-jr_> no scrollback?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> apparently not
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19:51 <spidey> lmfao
19:52 <spidey> dumb and dumberer is halarious
19:52 <spidey> ;x
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20:28 <spidey> heh
20:28 <spidey> about like my isp. they forgot to come install the voip and stuff -_-
20:30 <luke-jr_> you can't do that yourself?
20:30 <luke-jr_> btw, if you're getting voip, be sure they don't give you locked crap
20:31 <spidey> well i could
20:31 <spidey> but i want them here
20:31 <spidey> so i can bitch about the shitty internet and they won't say no to fixing it :)
20:32 <spidey> $56 a month for something that's quality is less than dsl
20:32 <luke-jr_> expensive
20:32 <luke-jr_> =p
20:32 <luke-jr_> do you have cable TV?
20:32 <spidey> hell, i'd rather have a 200 or so ping steady rather than a one that's 60 one minute then 200+ the next
20:32 <spidey> no
20:32 <spidey> i have sat.
20:32 <spidey> dish ;x
20:32 <luke-jr_> ask how much the total is if you add basic cable TV
20:32 <luke-jr_> sometimes it's less
20:32 <spidey> fuck that
20:33 <spidey> fuck them too
20:33 <luke-jr_> I didn't say use it
20:33 <DrJoeTron> i pay $15 for dsl
20:33 <spidey> when bellsouth is in my area next month i'm switching
20:33 <luke-jr_> sometimes they charge extra for no-TV
20:33 <luke-jr_> so, internet+TV = $40 but internet only is $50
20:33 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i'll pay $47 or so for a 6mbit :)
20:33 <DrJoeTron> sweet deal
20:34 <spidey> bellsouth
20:34 <DrJoeTron> mines 2mbit
20:34 <spidey> O.o
20:34 <DrJoeTron> we talked them down
20:34 <spidey> heh
20:34 <DrJoeTron> threatening to leave is great
20:34 <spidey> i'm not gonna bitch about $47 for 6mbit :p
20:34 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i tried that
20:34 <DrJoeTron> they sort of owed us
20:34 <wrtlprnft> i pay 40€ for 16MBit
20:34 <spidey> only charter's the only highspeed cable provider in my area
20:34 <DrJoeTron> considering they fucked us over
20:34 <spidey> untill september
20:34 <spidey> then i'm switching
20:34 <spidey> -_-
20:35 <DrJoeTron> wow thats like..43 USD?
20:35 <spidey> wrtlprnft, places out side of the us don't count :p
20:35 <wrtlprnft> #g EUR 40 in usd
20:35 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:35 <spidey> u.s has shitty internet
20:35 <spidey> it's a known fact :p
20:35 <wrtlprnft> #g 40 euros in USD
20:35 <armabot> 40 Euros = 51.38800 U.S. dollars
20:35 <DrJoeTron> haha, that means its free here
20:35 <DrJoeTron> damn
20:35 <DrJoeTron> wow i didnt know our inflation was so high
20:35 <wrtlprnft> not that i really have a use for 16MBit
20:35 <DrJoeTron> my god thats sad
20:36 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i do, lemme have it
20:36 <wrtlprnft> but the .8MBit upstream is nice :)
20:36 <spidey> :o
20:36 <spidey> .8?
20:36 <spidey> that's it :p
20:36 <spidey> well
20:37 <spidey> when verizon gets here i'll be getting 15mbit down and 2mbit up
20:37 <spidey> for now i'ma have to deal with dsl or cable
20:37 <spidey> i'll take dsl cause the cable sucks ass
20:37 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll try to contact them at some point to see if i can get 4mbit down, 2mbit up for the same price
20:38 <DrJoeTron> see
20:38 <spidey> http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/fios/root/package.asp
20:38 <spidey> when they do get here
20:38 <spidey> and i do get a job
20:39 <spidey> i'ma get the 30mbit down and 5mbit up
20:39 <spidey> $199 month
20:39 <wrtlprnft> omg
20:39 <wrtlprnft> what a waste
20:39 <spidey> not really
20:39 <DrJoeTron> thats a waste
20:39 <spidey> well
20:39 <spidey> lets see
20:39 <spidey> $56 for cable
20:39 <DrJoeTron> see that its a waste
20:39 <spidey> $5 for a shell
20:39 <spidey> $40 for the other stuff
20:40 <DrJoeTron> whats the "other" stuff
20:40 <spidey> hell i'd have a faster internet and host my own stuff
20:40 <spidey> :p
20:40 <spidey> gameservers
20:40 <spidey> websites
20:40 <spidey> etc
20:40 <DrJoeTron> you'll come close to maxing that out probably never
20:40 <spidey> nah
20:40 <spidey> i bet i could
20:40 <spidey> :D
20:40 <spidey> i'll need a few more computers though -_-
20:40 <DrJoeTron> save your money
20:41 <spidey> well
20:41 <spidey> they got
20:41 <DrJoeTron> get a car or something
20:41 <DrJoeTron> run animals over
20:41 <spidey> 15mbit down and 2mbit up
20:41 <spidey> $49 a month
20:41 <spidey> 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
20:42 <spidey> infact, that's cheaper o.o
20:43 <DrJoeTron> man
20:43 <DrJoeTron> blue host is like 7 bucks a month for web hosting
20:43 <spidey> mine's $9
20:43 <spidey> plus i get shell access
20:43 <spidey> ;x
20:43 <DrJoeTron> so does the rest of the world
20:43 <spidey> and webhosts who don't know what they're doing
20:43 <spidey> the rest of the world got that?
20:43 <spidey> ;x
20:43 <DrJoeTron> i need to switch web hosts
20:44 <DrJoeTron> i got fucked over for the last time
20:44 <DrJoeTron> directories i used all of the time are now cut off
20:44 <luke-jr_> I've seen webhosts for $5/mo
20:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what Mine was
20:44 <luke-jr_> I don't see any way to compete or I'd do it
20:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:44 <DrJoeTron> now its like 8
20:44 <wrtlprnft> there's webhosts for less than a buch a month here
20:44 <spidey> $5?
20:44 <DrJoeTron> brb
20:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah mine was 5 bucks
20:44 <wrtlprnft> *buck
20:44 <spidey> i'm sure you don't get tech support, mysql, or other stuff
20:44 <spidey> :p
20:44 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: I'll host your website on hachi for $?/mo =p
20:45 <DrJoeTron> i sure did
20:45 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: $?/mo?
20:45 <DrJoeTron> sure do*
20:45 <DrJoeTron> 3 gigs of space and 25guigs of bw
20:45 <DrJoeTron> brb
20:45 <DrJoeTron> /away
20:45 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yeah, depends on what he needs =p
20:45 <spidey> DrJoeTron, for $9 i get unmetered bw and 5gigs
20:45 <spidey> plus the hosts don't know what they're doing so i get ssh for whatever
20:45 <spidey> :p
20:46 <luke-jr_> you assume unmetered
20:46 <DrJoeTron> i dont even go past a GIG
20:46 <spidey> i know
20:46 <spidey> if it wasn't my bw usage wouldn't sit at 0mb
20:46 <luke-jr_> it could
20:46 <luke-jr_> if they use something else to meter it
20:47 <spidey> oh well
20:47 <spidey> they said upto 5gigs
20:47 <spidey> so i'm fine
20:47 <luke-jr_> heh
20:47 <luke-jr_> 5 gigs bw isn't too much, depending on the site
20:47 <spidey> i figured since it wasn't keeping track they're not metering it
20:47 <spidey> luke-jr_, for mine it is
20:47 <spidey> mbc only uses like 500mb
20:47 <spidey> i think micro said
20:47 <spidey> and it gets alot of traffic
20:47 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: what kind of website?
20:48 <spidey> DrJoeTron, if you want i could give you a ftp account :p
20:48 <spidey> only 3gigs left
20:48 <luke-jr_> "only"
20:49 <spidey> ya aa is using 1+ gig :p
20:53 <spidey> brb
21:00 <spidey> skrew mcdonalds, i just made my own oreo blizzard :p
21:01 <luke-jr_> you mean McFlurry
21:01 <luke-jr_> Blizzard is DQ
21:01 <spidey> oh ya
21:01 <spidey> well,skrew them both :p
21:01 <luke-jr_> =p
21:02 <spidey> deja_vu_,
21:02 <deja_vu_> spidey:
21:02 <spidey> do you ever sleep? :p
21:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: deja_vu_ is intelligent enough to make his irc client respond with "spidey" everytime you say "deja_vu_"
21:03 <spidey> hmm
21:03 <deja_vu_> *g*
21:04 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu_: you just blew your cover!
21:04 <spidey> lol
21:04 <deja_vu_> yes, but i can't resist answering myself
21:04 <spidey> lol
21:04 <deja_vu_> wrtlprnft: my bot might be programmed to answer this :P
21:04 <wrtlprnft> must be a good bot then
21:04 <wrtlprnft> can i have the sources?
21:04 <deja_vu_> no
21:04 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:04 <deja_vu_> closed source all the way xD
21:04 <deja_vu_> ;)
21:05 <spidey> haha
21:05 <wrtlprnft> you're in a channel about FOSS, so gimme that code!
21:05 <spidey> wait, here comes luke-jr_ , it's immoral1
21:05 <spidey> !
21:05 <deja_vu_> hihi
21:05 <deja_vu_> spidey: this is what i'm scared off.
21:06 <deja_vu_> *of
21:06 <spidey> ?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> :Ð
21:06 <deja_vu_> spidey: he might react
21:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft, you're a beaver?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:06 <spidey> the D has a line through it
21:06 <spidey> like beaver teeth
21:06 <wrtlprnft> hehe
21:07 <wrtlprnft> ÷)
21:07 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
21:07 <wrtlprnft> let's see what you make of this
21:07 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: IMMORAL DIE DIE DIE =p
21:07 <wrtlprnft> ─ <-- that an mdash or ndash?
21:07 <spidey> oh oh, i know what that is!!!
21:07 <deja_vu> waaaaaah
21:07 <spidey> that's luke-jr_ !!
21:07 * deja_vu hides
21:08 * wrtlprnft pulls deja_vu out of his hiding place
21:08 <deja_vu> o_o
21:08 * wrtlprnft holds deja_vu in front of luke-jr_
21:08 <spidey> o.o
21:08 * deja_vu grins at luke-jr_ :]
21:08 * spidey drop kicks wrtlprnft so deja_vu can get away
21:08 * luke-jr_ bits off deja_vu 's head
21:09 <wrtlprnft> that's an evil grip
21:09 <deja_vu> o_o
21:09 <wrtlprnft> *grin
21:09 <spidey> lol
21:09 * deja_vu feels dizzy
21:09 * wrtlprnft watches deja_vu run away in pain and grabs spidey instead
21:09 * spidey stomps on wrtlprnft's big toe
21:10 * wrtlprnft pulls away his foot just in time
21:10 * spidey hits wrtlprnft in the noise with a closed back-hand fist
21:10 <spidey> ;D
21:10 <wrtlprnft> ˛˛˛˛˛
21:11 * wrtlprnft throws spidey out of the window
21:11 <wrtlprnft> 4th floor, that is
21:11 * wrtlprnft looks out of the window
21:11 <spidey> i'm a spider, i can make a webbed parachute
21:11 * wrtlprnft watches spidey go all splat
21:12 <wrtlprnft> how can a spidey hit me in the noise with a closed back-hand fist
21:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:12 <spidey> make a fist
21:12 <spidey> hit you with the back part
21:12 <wrtlprnft> oh, i'm scared
21:12 <spidey> good :D
21:12 * wrtlprnft runs down and just stomps on spidey
21:12 <spidey> i'll sick DrJoeTron on you!
21:12 * wrtlprnft smears spidey on the sidewalk
21:13 <spidey> o.o
21:13 <deja_vu> ew
21:13 * wrtlprnft walks back up and closes the window
21:13 <spidey> deja_vu, all this for resuceing you!!
21:13 <spidey> never again -_-
21:13 <spidey> next time i'll let you die :p
21:13 <deja_vu> spidey: i'm very thankful :)
21:13 <spidey> deja_vu,
21:13 <spidey> 'er
21:13 <spidey> DrJoeTron, what's your teamspeak ip/password
21:13 <spidey> ?
21:14 * deja_vu scraps spidey off the sidewalk and gives him a funeral :P
21:14 <spidey> :(
21:14 * wrtlprnft thinks deja_vu is a nice guy after all
21:14 <spidey> now i get to haunt wrtlprnft
21:14 <deja_vu> yayy
21:14 <deja_vu> sounds like fun, doesn't it? :)
21:15 <wrtlprnft> not the me being hit in the face part
21:15 <wrtlprnft> the rest does
21:17 <deja_vu> i meant spidey haunting you ;)
21:17 <spidey> haha
21:18 <wrtlprnft> won't be easy for him
21:18 <wrtlprnft> my dream mode has a /ignore command
21:21 <spidey> dream?
21:22 <spidey> i never said in your dreams
21:22 <wrtlprnft> well, there's always a /ignore spidey command
21:22 <spidey> there's a /nick command to
21:22 <spidey> ;x
21:23 <wrtlprnft> won't help
21:23 <spidey> sure it will
21:23 <wrtlprnft> you'd be the only one haunting me, and my /ignore command is smart enough to notice that
21:23 <spidey> well
21:23 <spidey> you could ignore my hostname
21:23 <spidey> then
21:24 <spidey> i'd reconnect my bnc with a new one
21:24 <spidey> :)
21:24 <spidey> (i=spidey@72.20.20.167):
21:24 <spidey> :D
21:24 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/chosts
21:24 <spidey> 'er
21:25 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/vhosts
21:25 <spidey> i can have any of those
21:26 <wrtlprnft> thanks for the list
21:26 <wrtlprnft> added to my haunt- ignore filter
21:26 <spidey> but
21:26 * wrtlprnft goes kick some butt on arma
21:26 <spidey> you'd have to ignore the whole thing
21:26 <spidey> host names and ip's
21:26 <spidey> which will take forever
21:26 <spidey> i can use bvhost "vhost"
21:26 <spidey> or
21:26 <spidey> bvhost 'ip"
21:30 <Vanhayes> #insult everyone
21:30 <armabot> everyone - You are nothing but a weedy bag of onion-eyed retch.
21:48 <wrtlprnft> guru3: you plaing on 4team fortress?
21:55 <guru3> no
21:55 <guru3> someone using my name is?
21:58 <DrJoeTron> spidey go to the arma boards
21:58 <DrJoeTron> the info is there
21:58 <DrJoeTron> whatcha needit for
22:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: yeah, someone named Tank Program
22:04 <wrtlprnft> and, on asking, pretending to be the real Tank
22:17 <wrtlprnft> SH****!!!!
22:17 <wrtlprnft> I JUST LOST MY WHOLE F*** OPERA SESSION!
22:23 <guru3> ah well
22:23 <guru3> with the nick borrowing
22:24 <guru3> if someone's being an asshole with my nick
22:24 <guru3> the people that i care what they think know i'm not that much of an ass
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22:58 <spidey> jo?
23:00 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuhj9WsDzk mother fucking tf2!!
23:01 <DrJoeTron> oh god i cant wait for this
23:14 <DrJoeTron> when this game comes out, my grades are going to plummit
23:30 <DrJoeTron> fucking server wont show up
23:30 <DrJoeTron> time to change the ole ip
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23:37 <DrJoeTron> server is taking its sweet time to show up on the list
23:40 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:40 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:42 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: [2006/08/24 23:34:13] [1] Received new server: 64.108.205.96:4534
23:42 <DrJoeTron> :/
23:42 <DrJoeTron> bout time
23:42 <DrJoeTron> it doesnt show up on the master list
23:42 <wrtlprnft> that was 8 minutes ago. From that time on you should have been on the lost
23:42 <wrtlprnft> and you contacted my master 3 times since
23:42 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
23:42 <DrJoeTron> i see
23:43 <wrtlprnft> o well, i'll really be sleeping now
23:50 <DrJoeTron> goodnight
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00:26 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: want to play that game today?
00:26 <Vanhayes> I'd like to get it done before sept 4 anyway
00:29 <luke-jr_> .
00:30 <Vanhayes> ..
00:33 <spidey> ...
00:38 <Vanhayes> ²
00:41 <Vanhayes> and
00:41 <Vanhayes> ....
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5282440.stm <--- now we have an 8 planet solar system
01:03 <spidey> hmm
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> yessir, Pluto is no longer a planet!
01:08 * Lucifer_arma met Clyde Tombaugh, the guy that discovered Pluto, when he was a teenager
01:11 <Vanhayes> hmm what was that acronym to help you remember the planets? something like My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pancakes, guess that will have to change
01:17 <spidey> hmm
01:17 <spidey> my
01:17 <spidey> mother
01:17 <spidey> serverd
01:17 <spidey> wait
01:17 <spidey> i forgot
01:17 <spidey> been 4-5 years since i learned that,lol
01:18 <spidey> oh
01:18 <spidey> my very eager mother just sreverd us nine pizzas
01:18 <spidey> :p
01:22 <spidey> MVEMJSUNP My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas
01:22 <spidey> lol
01:22 <spidey> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/MVEMJSUNP
01:22 <spidey> the one i was taught isn't on there
01:22 <spidey> :/
01:27 <Vanhayes> Mon Vieux Tu M'as Jeté Sur Une Nouvelle Planète i like that one
01:27 * Lucifer_arma never learned an acronym to remember the planets
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> never needed one
01:28 <Vanhayes> well neither did I but they still tought it
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> besides, it's all out of order. The earth is at the center and the sun revolves around the earth!
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even remember if they taught an acronym or not. I always try to unlearn such things when they're thrown my way and I don't need them.
01:29 <Vanhayes> ya but its just one of those things that stick with you, I have no idea why but it does
01:30 <Vanhayes> so Lucifer_arma do you want to play that game today?
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> I've got more work. See, school starts monday, and I need to make sure I'm all caught up with work when school starts, and I'm not caught up now
01:32 <Lucifer_arma> if you have someone to take over for me, I can start it up for you guys and just drop out, I don't know that I"ll be able to finish it now :/
01:34 <Vanhayes> wel if GodTodd wants to fill in for you and spidey play as nick and me and luke-jr_ play as ourselves that would be fine
01:39 <spidey> brb
01:59 <DrJoeTron> shiggit shiggity shwuave
02:08 <spidey> 'i'll never buy things that kill my kids again, this is your last pack of cigarettes'
02:08 <spidey> i get that everytime,lol
02:08 <DrJoeTron> i want tf2 :(
02:08 <spidey> get it
02:08 <DrJoeTron> its not out yet
02:09 <DrJoeTron> they're only showing mouth watering videos
02:09 <spidey> i want all the zombie movies since 1979
02:09 <spidey> but i can't have them all now can i?
02:09 <spidey> :p
02:09 <DrJoeTron> it looks like its gonna be worth being delayed for over 6 years
02:09 <spidey> 6 years??
02:09 <spidey> well i get what i want before you do
02:10 <spidey> resident evil 3 gets released in sept. 2007 ;x
02:10 <DrJoeTron> never buy things that kill my kids again, this is
02:10 <DrJoeTron> what the fuck
02:10 <spidey> ?
02:10 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuhj9WsDzk
02:10 <DrJoeTron> i dont know why it copied that
02:10 <spidey> lol
02:10 <DrJoeTron> check it out
02:11 <spidey> it's a auto copy
02:11 <spidey> anytime you highlight something it's added to the clipboard
02:11 <DrJoeTron> its gonna be fun being an engineer again
02:13 <DrJoeTron> and the spy
02:16 <Vanhayes> spidey: wht do you like zombie movies so much?
02:16 <Vanhayes> why*
02:16 <spidey> Vanhayes, why do you come in this channel?
02:16 <Vanhayes> talk ask you questions, I thought that was obvious
02:16 <Vanhayes> to ask*
02:16 <spidey> lol
02:16 <spidey> ok, Vanhayes why do you play tron?
02:17 <Vanhayes> to show everyone how its done
02:17 <spidey> -_-
02:17 <Vanhayes> people need direction you know
02:17 <spidey> psh
02:17 <Vanhayes> lol
02:18 <spidey> ok, Vanhayes why do you play freeciv?
02:18 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> to show everyone how its done
02:18 <spidey> fuck it
02:18 <Vanhayes> heh
02:18 <Vanhayes> for the fun of it
02:18 <Vanhayes> thus why you watch the movies
02:18 <Vanhayes> I get the pont
02:18 <spidey> :)
02:18 <Vanhayes> point*
02:19 <Vanhayes> I just never got zombie movies
02:19 <Vanhayes> the held no interest for me
02:19 <spidey> well, i like sci-fi movies
02:19 <spidey> and the fact resident evil could happen :s
02:20 <Vanhayes> well anything COULD happen
02:20 <spidey> maybe
02:20 <spidey> but the movie resident evil has more ground than most other movies
02:20 <Vanhayes> most other sci-f/fantasyi movies that is
02:21 <Vanhayes> hmm sci-fi/fantasy*
02:21 <spidey> ya
02:21 <spidey> day of the dead and movies like that
02:21 <spidey> they don't
02:21 <spidey> they base it on the bibles phrase "when there's no more room in hell the dead will walk the earth"
02:21 <spidey> but
02:21 <spidey> they can kill the zombies in those movies
02:22 <spidey> where do the dead zombies go?
02:22 <Vanhayes> on the ground?
02:22 <spidey> well the movie is obviously got religious grounds, so therefor the zombies are from hell right?
02:23 <Vanhayes> ok
02:23 <spidey> well if there's no more room in hell.....where do they go? not hell obviously :)
02:23 <Vanhayes> Ive never seen it so i wouldnt know
02:23 <spidey> :p
02:23 <Vanhayes> I guess that makes sense
02:24 <spidey> i made a post on mbc awhile back when i was bored and didn't have anything else to do
02:24 <spidey> ranting about it
02:24 <spidey> :D
02:25 <Vanhayes> hmm I tried signing up for that forum a couple of months ago but didnt get an email about it
02:25 <spidey> hm
02:25 <spidey> you know
02:25 <spidey> we have a bank intown
02:25 <spidey> mackeinze banking company
02:26 <spidey> on the sign it's abrieavted to MBC
02:26 <spidey> lol
02:26 <Vanhayes> heh you should say that you are a member
02:26 <spidey> haha
02:27 <spidey> hmm
02:27 <spidey> i need to read more about the way windows works
02:28 <spidey> i wanna include a self-made taskbar in a desktopsite i'm working on
02:28 <spidey> you know you can set html files as a background?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> looks like im gonna become an SA Goon tonight
02:28 <spidey> sa?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:28 <spidey> what's that
02:28 <DrJoeTron> Something Awful
02:28 <spidey> lol
02:28 <DrJoeTron> www.somethingawful.com
02:29 <DrJoeTron> costs10 bucks to join the message boards
02:29 <DrJoeTron> and they moderate it hard
02:29 <spidey> .....
02:29 <DrJoeTron> so if you say something incredibly retarded they ban you
02:30 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=6f5200f7a92991b26b6e363d1fd99192&threadid=2016079 best thread so far
02:31 <spidey> fuck that
02:31 <spidey> i'm not paying $10 to join a forum i don't have freedom of speach on
02:32 <Vanhayes> what would be the benifit of joining?
02:33 <DrJoeTron> interesting stories, giant community thats pretty tightly knit,
02:34 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/index.php?s=6f5200f7a92991b26b6e363d1fd99192 lots of stuff
02:34 <DrJoeTron> and stupid people are banned instantly
02:36 <DrJoeTron> trust me spidey , alot of shit gets through from people who are whilling to waste 10 bucks
02:37 <DrJoeTron> alot of fads come from here
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and is then stolen and put onto ebaums world :p
03:19 <spidey> lol
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> <DrJoeTron> so if you say something incredibly retarded they ban you <--- spidey shouldn't join :)
03:29 <DrJoeTron> its there to keep people like spidey out :p
03:30 <spidey> :/
03:30 <spidey> there's worse people than me
03:30 <spidey> luke-jr_, pimp , keanan
03:30 <spidey> should i continue? :p
03:30 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php welcome to the lepers colony
03:31 <DrJoeTron> if you are banned or put on probation, you get put here
03:31 <spidey> wow i just heard
03:32 <spidey> in the Uk if you have a tv you gotta pay a tv lisences o.o
03:32 <DrJoeTron> they also get no commercials for cable tv
03:33 <spidey> hmm
03:33 <spidey> that's what tivo is for
03:33 <spidey> :D
03:34 <DrJoeTron> not anymore sucker
03:34 <DrJoeTron> tivo has to have commercials no
03:34 <DrJoeTron> w
03:35 <spidey> hm
03:35 <spidey> gay
03:35 <spidey> the us totally sucks on technolagy
03:35 <spidey> shit gets cheaper but prices go up
03:35 <spidey> btw joe
03:36 <spidey> the lisence is just if you even own a tv
03:36 <spidey> doesn't matter what you got
03:41 <spidey> hmm
03:41 <spidey> 10 years to travel 3 billion miles
03:42 <Vanhayes> and by the time that 10 years has gone by it will be 5 years to travel 3 billion miles
03:42 <spidey> heh
03:42 <Vanhayes> what are you talking about btw?
03:42 <spidey> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4629486.stm
03:43 <spidey> maybe they'll find some rare material there and prices for other shit will decrease -_-
03:44 <Vanhayes> well even if they did find it the cost of mining it and bringing it back would be too much
03:45 <spidey> maybe
03:45 <Vanhayes> there would be no profit in it, probly put you billions in the hole, so no one would do it
03:46 <Vanhayes> and even if someone did it they would have to charge so much that no one but the rich could afford it
03:47 <Vanhayes> which would could destabilize the economy a little and maybe make things more
03:47 <Vanhayes> cost more*
03:48 <Vanhayes> anyway spidey Lucifer_arma luke-jr_ GodTodd anyone who wants to play, want to finish that freeciv game, or if not that, start a new one?
03:51 <luke-jr_> maybe
04:00 <spidey> #g 5meters in ft
04:00 <armabot> 5 meters = 16.4041995 feet
04:00 <spidey> O.o
04:05 <spidey> i'll do either
04:06 <spidey> though whichever decided needs to be soon
04:06 <spidey> i gotta goto sleep by 4am
04:20 <Vanhayes> ok so Lucifer_arma ?? GodTodd ??
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> I can start it for you guys, but I won't be able to play, sorry
04:21 <Vanhayes> well we can just start a new one then, play that other game when there is time
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> just ping me when you want me to start the server
04:22 <Vanhayes> ok
04:22 <Vanhayes> spidey: luke-jr_ want to play a game vs the ai?
04:32 <spidey> sure
04:32 <spidey> if you get someone else :p
04:32 <spidey> 3humands vs 1 AI :p
04:33 <spidey> might take me sometime to respond, i'm watching the exorcism of emily rose
04:34 <Vanhayes> well if its me you and luke-jr_ thats three
04:35 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_ how about it?
04:45 <spidey> wow
04:48 <Vanhayes> ?
04:49 <spidey> this movie's creepy :D
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> I found the #1 ranked aerospace engineering school in the country
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.erau.edu/er/degrees/b-degrees.html
05:39 <Vanhayes> spidey: want to start up that game now? looks like luke-jr_ isnt here
05:39 <DrJoeTron> sounds like freeciv is tapering out a little
05:40 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
05:40 <luke-jr_> no
05:40 <luke-jr_> !!
05:40 <DrJoeTron> spidey why did you need the TS info?
05:40 <DrJoeTron> for our stuff
05:40 <Vanhayes> ya well school is about to start, or is starting so there more important stuff to do
05:41 <DrJoeTron> fuck school, its all about armagetron
05:41 <DrJoeTron> :d
05:41 <DrJoeTron> brb
05:41 <Vanhayes> lol
05:41 <Vanhayes> so luke-jr_ you dont want to play a game?
05:41 <luke-jr_> NO!!!!!!!!!!
05:41 <Vanhayes> or you do?
05:42 <Vanhayes> so thats a yes :p
05:43 <luke-jr_> stfu no
05:43 <Vanhayes> so stfu no = yes?
05:46 <Vanhayes> spidey: want to play then? say yes or no within the next 20 mins cause after that Im not gonna bother starting up a game
06:00 <DrJoeTron> looks like thats a negatory!
06:00 <DrJoeTron> #fortune
06:10 <spidey> the exorcism of emily rose is a good movie :D
06:20 <spidey> #night
06:20 <armabot> Good night spidey!
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10:16 <wrtlprnft> #alias add fortune f
10:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #fortune
10:16 <armabot> Random Fortune: "All snakes who wish to remain in Ireland will please raise their right hands." || -- Saint Patrick
10:20 <luke-jr_> spidey: based on a true story?
10:28 <deja_vu_> good morning luke :)
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10:29 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: I haven't slept yet
10:29 <luke-jr_> shhh
10:33 <deja_vu> i figured i could call it "morning" anyway :P
10:37 <luke-jr_> =p
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10:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5283956.stm?ls <--- heh, maybe pluto is still a planet?
11:01 <wrtlprnft> well, the official number of planets in our system is gonna change anyways
11:02 <wrtlprnft> who cares if it's 8 or 12 now?
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11:21 <Vanhayes> *yawn*
11:21 <Vanhayes> #morning
11:21 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes Random Fortune: Carson's Observation on Footwear: || If the shoe fits, buy the other one too.
11:32 <wrtlprnft> morning Vanhayes
11:32 <Vanhayes> morning
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13:06 * spidey yawns
13:07 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes it's based on a true story
13:25 <guru3> i now hold in my hands an FX60
14:03 <spunky> FX60? nice.. 2,6 GHZ?
14:03 <guru3> iirc
14:06 * spunky just informed himself
14:06 <spunky> ouh really a nice one.. and expansive, too..
14:29 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=85721
14:29 <wrtlprnft> how is anyone supposed to answer this?!
14:31 <spunky> I asked myself the same question when I read it earlier...
14:32 <wrtlprnft> that has to be a joke.
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15:12 <olorin> ahoi :P
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15:13 <HSVULTRA> hi all :p
15:19 <guru3> hola
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19:23 * spidey yawns
19:23 <spidey> Vanhayes?
19:27 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/25/asus-officially-introduces-r2h-umpc/ playing arma on this :D
19:30 <guru3> ?
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19:49 <DrJoeTron> tank did you see the new tf2 video?
19:49 <DrJoeTron> or portal?
19:49 <DrJoeTron> i think you're the only one who would appreciate them
19:49 <DrJoeTron> here
19:49 <DrJoeTron> besides me i mean
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20:05 <hakan> hi all
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22:40 <spidey> wb mkzelda :p
22:40 <mkzelda> thx
22:40 <mkzelda> trying to get multimedia keys to work
22:40 <spidey> mmm
22:40 <mkzelda> no luck tho
22:40 <spidey> btw
22:41 <spidey> i'm thinking about putting the bnc on my webserver
22:41 <spidey> and canceling the shell
22:41 <mkzelda> ok
22:42 <mkzelda> You should be able to move the .conf over and not lose anything other than
22:42 <mkzelda> our passwords and change the vhost
22:43 <spidey> ya
22:43 <spidey> mmm
22:46 <mkzelda> >:/ I have this livedvd that has kde+gentoo+xgl and lotsa nice things
22:46 <mkzelda> has support for multimedia keyboards
22:46 <mkzelda> dont know what it uses
22:46 <mkzelda> but i can hit volume up on my keyboard and not only does it work, it has an OSD
23:08 <Vanhayes_> spidey: what?
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23:35 <spidey> heh
23:35 <spidey> something tells me i just installed a shitload of spyware and vvirus's
23:56 <spidey> #g 9.90EUROS in USD
23:56 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:56 <spidey> #g 9.90 EURO in USD
23:57 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:57 <spidey> -_-
23:57 <spidey> #g 9.90 euros in USD
23:57 <armabot> 9.90 Euros = 12.66111 U.S. dollars
23:57 <spidey> ty!
Log from 2006-08-26:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 26 2006
00:06 <GodTodd_> #g 101 F in C
00:06 <armabot> 101 degrees Fahrenheit = 38.3333333 degrees Celsius
00:12 <Vanhayes> #g 18 C in F
00:12 <armabot> 18 degrees Celsius = 64.4 degrees Fahrenheit
00:25 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:25 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:32 <luke-jr_> #g 18 C is K
00:32 <luke-jr_> #g 18 C in K
00:32 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:32 <armabot> 18 degrees Celsius = 291.15 kelvin
00:44 <spidey> #g 100 luke-jr_s in wtf
00:44 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:44 <spidey> :/
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01:01 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
01:02 <luke-jr_> pong
01:03 <spidey> luke-jr_, that aa folder getting used? if not i'ma delete to free up space :p
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01:03 <luke-jr_> what aa folder?
01:03 <ghableska> hello
01:03 <spidey> on my webserver...
01:03 <luke-jr_> no clue
01:03 <luke-jr_> maybe'
01:04 <spidey> lol
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01:06 <madmax|pt> hello
01:07 <DrJoeTron> hey there
01:07 <DrJoeTron> i just got done taking apart my keyboard
01:09 <spidey> #last --nolimit
01:09 <ghableska> O_o
01:09 <spidey> xchat crashed -_-
01:09 <armabot> spidey: [01:07:14] <DrJoeTron> i just got done taking apart my keyboard, [01:06:56] <DrJoeTron> hey there, [01:06:45] <madmax|pt> hello, [01:04:29] <spidey> lol, [01:03:45] <luke-jr_> maybe', [01:03:44] <luke-jr_> no clue, [01:03:41] <spidey> on my webserver..., [01:03:33] <ghableska> hello, [01:03:32] <luke-jr_> what aa folder?, [01:02:54] <spidey> luke-jr_, that aa folder getting used? if not i'ma delete to free up (50 more messages)
01:15 <DrJoeTron> drwatson deleted!
01:15 <DrJoeTron> :D
01:16 <DrJoeTron> i just removed his medical licence
01:17 <spidey> lol
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01:25 <Vanhayes> spidey: do tou talk to sky at all?
01:25 <spidey> sometimes
01:28 <Vanhayes> if you do tell him hyphy leopard is keenan/TNA imposter, he said sky was considering letting him SL
01:29 <spidey> -_-
01:29 <Vanhayes> probly just BS but just incase, seeing how he screwed over lol
01:53 <spidey> i hate that ihaa guy in lol
02:03 <Vanhayes> I dont think ive seen an ihaa before
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03:54 <DrJoeTron> ping
03:58 <spidey> pong
04:33 <DrJoeTron> lobster cage is 1 year old today
04:33 <DrJoeTron> erm
04:33 <DrJoeTron> not today
04:33 <DrJoeTron> this month
04:34 <DrJoeTron> :D
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05:23 <Ringwraith`> fuck
05:26 <spidey> ?
05:29 <Ringwraith`> nothin
05:30 <Ringwraith`> i wrote a skins match patch for the server
05:39 <luke-jr_> I'm designing a service to compile for OSX,Win, and common Linux OS
05:44 <Ringwraith`> cool
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06:02 <spidey> mom
06:02 <spidey> i cleaned my room can i have my allouance now!?
06:04 <Ringwraith`> your mom's nick takes up so much of the screen even a blind person can see it
06:04 <spidey> heh
06:05 <Your_mom_arma> quick someone rename themself to some arbitrarily long name
06:06 <Ringwraith`> no.
06:06 <Ringwraith`> :)
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06:16 <luke-jr_> asljxvxcvlkdfjds: stfu! =p
06:18 <Ringwraith`> wow
06:18 <Ringwraith`> lkajdasjdlskajdajksdasd
06:18 <luke-jr_> g.p.dri.hirohirhi.nptih.nihpit.itonihn.opih.noith.iphdi for some dvorak goodness
06:20 <Ringwraith`> kjlfljksdf jio fiojwf iojfoij woi FUCK FUCK FUCK Kjsdosja doijasdjoasodj oisd
06:20 <Ringwraith`> sorry my gf's ass hit the keyboard
06:26 <luke-jr_> watch your language
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> did you guys ever finish that one freeciv game?
06:27 <luke-jr_> not yet
06:27 <luke-jr_> luci and I are both busy now
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06:48 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd_: you kicking around?
06:51 <GodTodd_> some
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06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I was going to ask if you'd written anything for the website, then I checked the moderation queue and saw that you had. :)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm putting in filler again and not terribly happy about it, but I don't have anything to write right now. :/
07:03 <GodTodd_> heh that's understandable :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it's going to be the space race paper ;)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I just reread my research paper from comp 1 and decided it was pretty shitty.
07:08 <GodTodd_> heh
07:08 <GodTodd_> so...what needs changed on my story?
07:09 <GodTodd_> nm
07:09 <GodTodd_> found the comments :)
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07:19 <GodTodd_> Lucifer_arma: what's the easiest way to get to the stories set to review?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> Edit->find the area with the "Review" button and hit it?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> um, you can also do it in the Workflow tab, I'm not sure which is easier
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> but since you usually edit and then want to stick it back up for review, it seems like the Edit tab is the place to do it
07:21 <GodTodd_> well...i can get to mine pretty easily but with the ones you set to review i can't seem to find them :/
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> Mine's pretty long and it's well edited already, so if you don't really want to deal with it you're probably safe to hit publish. :) But it could use a check over the headings and stuff, make sure works that are cited are cited properly.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> oh, click "Content" next to Administration
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> that shows the moderation queue
07:22 <GodTodd_> aha! cool :)
07:22 <GodTodd_> i knew there had to be a better way than floundering around like a blind rat
07:22 <GodTodd_> heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, I forget to classify my paper
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> send it back to draft when you're done, heh
07:27 <GodTodd_> erg
07:27 <GodTodd_> oops
07:28 <GodTodd_> any way i can pull it back?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I just did it, so you should refresh (if you're reading it)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> did you publish it already?
07:28 <GodTodd_> just like 30 secs ago
07:28 <GodTodd_> if that
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's fine
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> look at the home page, it's fine :)
07:28 <GodTodd_> yeah, it's got the classifications :)
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07:29 <GodTodd_> i see i have to learn the fine art of headings, tho heh
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> the rule is that a person should be able to read just the headings and get the gist of what you're saying
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> that rule kinda breaks down a lot, though :/
07:34 <GodTodd_> heh
07:35 <GodTodd_> i dunno that i'll have any scholarly papers to post this semester....unless people *really* want the finer points of the history of the republic of texas
07:35 <GodTodd_> heh
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't see why not, just wait until after the semester's over.
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> just remember it's technically filler, so we don't want too many of such papers on the front page without having some juicy stuff mixed in.
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I sent the email to the phi theta kappa lady in town, we'll see if they still want me :)
07:46 <GodTodd_> :)
07:47 <GodTodd_> as long as your GPA is in spec i wouldn't see why not....personally i view it as nothing more than application filler
07:47 <GodTodd_> except that when i got in i was intending (and did) to graduate from that school
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07:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's why I'm interested in it--application filler :)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> I just reread my book review from history 1 and think it would fit the website pretty well, but I think I'll hold off throwing it up there
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> give folks time to read what just went up, you know. :)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm not sure I'm targetting UT anymore. Heh.
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> Turns out that A&M has a higher-ranked aerospace engineering program and is arguably just as close to me as UT.
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't feel any loyalty to either school, so their petty rivalry doesn't affect me. :)
07:54 <asljxvxcvlkdfjds> #night
07:54 <armabot> Good night asljxvxcvlkdfjds!
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07:55 <spidey> #night
07:55 <spidey> !
07:55 <armabot> Good night spidey!
07:56 <GodTodd> heh
07:56 <GodTodd> well....the top three schools in Texas are UT, TAMU and UTD
07:57 <GodTodd> overall
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but UTD doesn't have an aerospace engineering program
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> they also trade places in ranking depending on what degree you're looking at.
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> UT-Arlington supposedly has an aerospace engineering program, though.
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't find any information on it :/
08:05 <GodTodd> yeah...utd is better at EE and such
08:06 <GodTodd> at least it'd better be...it was started by TI
08:06 <GodTodd> heh
08:06 <GodTodd> http://www-mae.uta.edu/
08:07 <GodTodd> or...right to the meat... http://www-mae.uta.edu/ae/aemenu.html
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, found it, thanks
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't look terribly impressive. Or more to the point, they didn't put a lot of info on the site
08:09 <GodTodd> what info you after?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> I want to know what Important People in the Field went to this school, what their objectives are and how they'll help me, and how they're ranked next to other schools
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> the degree plan is there, that's standard issue. Their ranking isn't listed anywhere that I've found yet, and their educational objectives look pretty weak
08:12 <GodTodd> true
08:12 <GodTodd> i never hear anything really stellar about UT Arlington
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> wikipedia shows 2 astronauts from UT-Arlington
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> if I just count astronauts, A&M wins :)
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, no, actually UT-Austin wins, but most of those are has-beens, i.e. A&M has more current astronauts than UT-Austin
08:14 <GodTodd> heh
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> A&M also has Bjarne Stroustrop on their faculty
08:16 <GodTodd> heh...with no aerospace engineering program, UTD even has 1 astronaut ;)
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> what did he get at UTD?
08:18 <GodTodd> bachelor's, master's, and PhD in geosciences
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> aha
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> why am I looking at a list of lenders and wondering which one is most likely to go out of business before I have to pay off the loan?
08:28 <GodTodd> haha
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> I picked my own credit union.
08:33 <GodTodd> cool :)
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> The password entered is not acceptable. It must be at least 6 characters long, have an upper and lower cased letter, have a number, can't be the same as the username and can't be obscene. <--- Fascists!
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> that was a fucking pain in the ass
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> I only got askedl ike 5 times "Do you want to sign your MPN electronically?"
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> YES 3 times isn't good enough?
08:39 <GodTodd> haha
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, website traffic appears to be increasing a bit
08:40 <GodTodd> really?
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, from an average around 30 unique readers a day up to around 50
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> could just be monthly fluctuation, though
08:53 <GodTodd> hmmm
08:53 <GodTodd> could be
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's the all-time report, if your client can download it
08:57 <GodTodd> heh...it's not letting me accept :/
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> oh well
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> trying to get a chart of it
09:00 <GodTodd> heh
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://f3wm.free.fr/linux/gp_girl.html
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: lol
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.uni.ru/files/4310/amilo-m1451g.jpg gonna get one similar to this one
09:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> p4 2.4 ghz, 512mb ram, radeon 9600, 40 gb hdd
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10:25 <wrtlprnft> #morning
10:25 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Bubblegum: Good lord, that sucker's shakin' around like || some fine imported booty.
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13:03 <wrtlprnft> ph is alive!
13:23 <philippeqc> yes he is
13:23 <philippeqc> but ph has applied for a new job, and need to give a response next week, so chances are that ph will be quite busy in the coming months
13:56 <wrtlprnft> :s
13:57 <philippeqc> somehow I totally screwed the "how much money would you like" and bubbled something high rather than a "I really want to work here, and money isnt that important for me", and somehow, they made an offer with that high value
13:59 <philippeqc> I hope I wont dissapoint them
14:00 <philippeqc> they do lots of embedded application, quite hardcode engineering, and I'd like to move to that direction. But they are a consultant comp, so it means they need to seel me to a customer.
14:03 <wrtlprnft> good luck
14:04 <philippeqc> thanks
14:05 <philippeqc> and you, how are you
14:07 <philippeqc> o, I have to work night tonight, we are having an installation :( That and a friend has a party to show off his kitchen tonight!!!!! I really wanted to go. He lives 15 mins walking distance from me.
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14:24 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: good, though too lazy to do much coding
14:24 <wrtlprnft> and i'm involved in a project that pays right now
14:24 <philippeqc> o yeah, what is it?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> Some statistics system for ed's company
14:27 <philippeqc> nice
14:30 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: embedded is fun
14:30 <luke-jr_> tho I usually stick to software in that field
14:32 <philippeqc> they have their own product (hardware) for reading meters (electrical more often) and communicating over a wireless mesh
14:33 <luke-jr_> sounds expensive :o
14:33 <luke-jr_> assuming they put one at every meter/house
14:34 <philippeqc> the idea is that it is less expensive than to pull wires to all the meters to collect the same data
14:35 <luke-jr_> true
14:35 <luke-jr_> IIRC, on the east coast US they use a simple hardware wireless thing and have a truck drive by to collect the data
14:36 <luke-jr_> perhaps the cost of gas is getting too high for that tho
14:36 <philippeqc> similar kind of solution,
14:37 <luke-jr_> except minus the mesh
14:37 <philippeqc> but think instead of running every road on its lenght, if the data was collected by certain nodes, and you ran the truck in a road perpendicular... your grab the data of a whole street in a fraction of the time
14:39 <philippeqc> gas!!! what about the person sitting in the truck. There are fewer people who would do that kind of job "just for the glamor" than you think.
14:39 <philippeqc> ;)
14:40 <luke-jr_> perhaps, but I don't see how anyone wants the kind of job where you just drive
14:40 <luke-jr_> but it has to be done
14:41 <philippeqc> yep, so a mesh network allows for better data collection.
14:41 <philippeqc> you could have it inside a factory too.
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15:21 <spidey> lkjlfjd
15:27 <spidey> hm
15:27 <spidey> this's gonna pwn :D
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> fjdsfh
16:06 <wrtlprnft> hm
16:06 <wrtlprnft> this's gonna pwn too :Ð
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16:26 <luke-jr_> rofl
16:41 <spidey> wrtl's a beaver
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16:59 <wrtlprnft> :Ð
16:59 <wrtlprnft> ÷Ð
17:00 <wrtlprnft> `.´
17:00 <wrtlprnft> ¬_¬
17:06 <spidey> almost as annoying as someone who must write in a different color all the time
17:06 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
17:06 <wrtlprnft> the key doesn't work, i'd need to restart x11
17:07 <wrtlprnft> umm, i'm not using :Ð very often
17:07 <wrtlprnft> i don't mind someone who writes a colored line once in a while
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18:45 <spidey> hmm
18:45 <spidey> how the fuck you install gentoo remotely
18:46 <spidey> Gentoo - LiveCD - You Install
18:50 <mkzelda> if you're going to install gentoo i'd recommend using a nicer livecd like Conrad LiveCD or sabayon
18:50 <mkzelda> and following the conrad install guide
18:50 <spidey> it's a dedicated server
18:51 <mkzelda> oh
18:51 <spidey> so i don't understand how I could install it
18:51 <spidey> o.o
18:51 <mkzelda> does the server have some sort of linux-in-linux capability?
18:51 <spidey> bah
18:51 <spidey> they don't have debian support
18:51 <spidey> :(
18:51 <spidey> dunno
18:52 <spidey> i'll probably use fedora
18:52 <spidey> all the other distro's they got i'll have compile the things i want to run on it
18:52 <spidey> and since my server is 100+ miles away
18:52 <spidey> i can't
18:53 <mkzelda> friends dont let friends use fedora
18:53 <spidey> lahl
18:53 <spidey> well
18:53 <spidey> it's either that
18:53 <spidey> or slackware
18:54 <spidey> and i'd still have to compile,which i can't right now
18:54 <mkzelda> and im from raleigh where red hat is based
18:54 <mkzelda> k
18:54 <spidey> besides i don't like slackware
18:54 <spidey> i had a bad experience with it :p
18:54 <mkzelda> heh
18:55 <spidey> my harddrive died :(
18:55 <mkzelda> I'd love a server with gentoo on a decent pipe
18:55 <spidey> 100mbit
18:55 <mkzelda> ya that'd be perfect
18:56 <spidey> amd sempron 2200+
18:56 <spidey> 512mb ram
18:56 <mkzelda> i used to have a pretty much infinate supply of 100mbits to abuse
18:56 <spidey> lol
18:56 <mkzelda> had a bunch of machines i threw in unoccupied dorm rooms
18:56 <spidey> i've got one right now
18:56 <spidey> but if i get this server i'll cancel that one
18:56 <mkzelda> and outbound was capped and i figured out the way around it so i had the only uncapped connection on campus
18:56 <mkzelda> was fantastic
18:57 <spidey> lol
18:57 <mkzelda> 5mb/s to .nl/.se/.fi/.no/.uk
18:57 <mkzelda> 2.5mb back
18:57 <spidey> o.o
18:57 <mkzelda> mB
18:57 <mkzelda> ya
18:57 <mkzelda> traded a ton of warez
18:57 <spidey> wow
18:57 <mkzelda> heh
18:57 <spidey> the webserver only does 500kb/s
18:57 <spidey> well
18:57 <spidey> maybe
18:57 <spidey> i couldn't find a server to max it out
18:57 <spidey> it downloads at 11mb/s though
18:58 <mkzelda> even got 2mb/s from china, japan and korea
18:58 <mkzelda> but only about 150k/s going back there
18:58 <spidey> why does only the US suck for internet
18:58 <mkzelda> its just the direction u go and the time of day
18:58 <mkzelda> but yes, it sux in comparison b/c theres a ton of land
18:59 <mkzelda> and its sparse
18:59 <spidey> haha i know that's right
18:59 <spidey> my connection goes shitty around 6pm or so
18:59 <spidey> and stays that way till morning
18:59 <mkzelda> when countries the size of states need to put up wiring in towns where everyone lives close, its not hard
18:59 <spidey> well
18:59 <spidey> i'm only 4-5 miles from town
19:00 <mkzelda> but for some reason when the xfers went from here to asia they went through europe first
19:00 <spidey> there's a small town here, but i live in the part before the town
19:00 <mkzelda> but when they came back they went across pacific and then some magical hop from L.A. to raleigh
19:00 <spidey> so i should get better internet than the town down the road
19:00 <spidey> but i don't
19:00 <spidey> :/
19:00 <mkzelda> i used to live over your way
19:01 <mkzelda> this side of appalachian tho
19:01 <mkzelda> mtns
19:01 <spidey> cool
19:01 <mkzelda> charter was it for a while
19:01 <spidey> i'm in west tn
19:01 <spidey> charter still is it, here
19:01 <mkzelda> they really suck
19:01 <spidey> untill bellsouth gets here
19:01 <spidey> indeed they do
19:01 <mkzelda> we just got the bell there a year ago
19:01 <mkzelda> my friends still there that have charter say they get like 10k/s at best
19:01 <mkzelda> and it goes out all the time
19:02 <spidey> well
19:02 <spidey> i get 27kb/s
19:02 <spidey> up
19:02 <spidey> and 380kb/s+ down
19:02 <spidey> but it's shit quality
19:02 <mkzelda> the twc here is solid
19:02 <spidey> ya
19:02 <mkzelda> but overpriced
19:02 <spidey> i'm waiting for verizon to get in my area
19:02 <spidey> for now i'ma switch to bellsouth
19:02 <spidey> sometime next month
19:03 <mkzelda> 600k/s down, 45k/s up... im tempted to switch to a commercial contract
19:03 <spidey> hehe
19:03 <mkzelda> 900k/s down, 128k up
19:03 <spidey> o.o
19:03 <spidey> well
19:03 <spidey> when verizon does get here
19:03 <mkzelda> i only care about the upstream tho
19:03 <spidey> i'll have 15mbit down and 2 mbit up
19:03 <spidey> same
19:03 <mkzelda> we need cogent here
19:04 <mkzelda> or charlotte
19:04 <mkzelda> halfway point between d.c. and atlanta
19:04 <mkzelda> so it'd be a good location
19:04 <spidey> heh
19:04 <mkzelda> but im just convincing myself that
19:04 <mkzelda> :D
19:05 <spidey> lol
19:05 <mkzelda> i cant believe they have dsl in the mtns where i used to live
19:05 <mkzelda> if they can put dsl there they can do anything
19:05 <spidey> must be shitty
19:05 <mkzelda> nah its great
19:05 <spidey> o.o
19:05 <spidey> you lived around bristol?
19:06 <mkzelda> my brother bought the house from my parents, and has it
19:06 <spidey> shit
19:06 <mkzelda> i didnt live in tn
19:06 <spidey> oh
19:06 <mkzelda> but boone/hickory/lenoir/morganton
19:06 <spidey> you know the mtns between tn and sc ?
19:07 <mkzelda> i didnt realize the two bordered
19:07 <spidey> those switch back roads, one of the old us highways, i forget which one...but it's coming from bristol sc to bristol tn
19:07 <spidey> well
19:07 <spidey> might have been nc
19:07 <spidey> i failed geography
19:07 <spidey> :D
19:07 <mkzelda> stone mtn?
19:07 <mkzelda> thats where nc borders georgia
19:07 <spidey> hmm
19:08 <spidey> anyways
19:08 <spidey> it's like 90 degree turns all the way up and down the mountain
19:08 <mkzelda> haha ya
19:08 <spidey> we fit a bigtruck on those roads
19:08 <spidey> up and down it
19:08 <spidey> :D
19:08 <mkzelda> thats like some of the parts where i lived
19:08 <spidey> i was tryign to play the friggin xbox
19:08 <spidey> and holding the tv with my feet
19:09 <spidey> that didn't work
19:09 <spidey> :/
19:09 <mkzelda> haha
19:09 <mkzelda> i get real sick quickly if i dont watch the road there
19:09 <spidey> what? i love that game true crime, streets of LA
19:09 <mkzelda> http://www.mkzelda.com/thankyou.html
19:10 <mkzelda> i made that for when people make donations
19:10 <mkzelda> for my hosting
19:10 <spidey> lol you're mean :p
19:10 <mkzelda> when i first bought my domain that image was the only thing there
19:11 <mkzelda> for a few months till i got around to making my site
19:11 <spidey> lmao
19:11 <spidey> i hate drupal
19:12 <wrtlprnft> spidey: is your gentoo problem solved
19:12 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
19:12 <spidey> huh?
19:12 <mkzelda> i hate pretty much every cms i've ever used
19:12 <mkzelda> but drupal is the one i hate the least
19:12 <wrtlprnft> 18:45 <spidey> how the fuck you install gentoo remotely
19:12 <wrtlprnft> 18:46 <spidey> Gentoo - LiveCD - You Install
19:12 <spidey> ya
19:12 <spidey> i was looking at a dedicated server
19:12 <mkzelda> shake it, dont break it, it took your momma 9 months to make it
19:12 <spidey> it said you could use gentoo, but you had to install it yourself
19:12 <spidey> so i was confused
19:13 <wrtlprnft> well, if it has some sort of linux on it you don't need a life CD
19:13 <wrtlprnft> you can just install it from the already running linux, as long as you can get a free partition
19:14 <spidey> hmm
19:14 <spidey> dunno
19:14 <spidey> i want a debian distro
19:14 <spidey> but they don't have support for it
19:15 <wrtlprnft> get another hoster
19:15 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
19:16 <spidey> find me one for under $70 then :p
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19:16 <wrtlprnft> #g $70 in EUR
19:16 <armabot> US$ 70 = 54.8374461 Euros
19:17 <spidey> http://www.completelydedicated.com/dedicated.php
19:17 <wrtlprnft> uh, there should be plenty
19:17 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i don't want a euro server, i want one in the us
19:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but i wanted to know how much money you were talking about
19:18 <spidey> well
19:18 <spidey> these are the best i've found for the price
19:18 <wrtlprnft> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Talk:HOWTO_Convert_A_RedHat_Server_to_Gentoo_Remotely
19:18 <spidey> the others didn't even have tech support, and the ones that did was $75 a half hour o.o
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that's if you want gentoo
19:21 <spidey> nice getting $40 for fixing a computer
19:22 <spidey> and all i have to do is put the hdd they took out back in and format
19:25 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-151-204-199-159.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> is that infamous guy a troll?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> why
19:31 <wrtlprnft> <quesion mark>
19:32 <wrtlprnft> $%&!#@ question mark key that doesn't work
19:37 <Your_mom_arma> "and you're happy that people are spending money on servers that aren't ever being used? nice."
19:38 <mkzelda> If you're happy and you know it buy a server and dont use it.
19:38 <mkzelda> Its in our hands, and it always was
19:39 <mkzelda> what happened to bjork
19:39 <mkzelda> i remember when i was like 12ish there was that song where she runs up a wall and does a flip
19:39 <mkzelda> song = video rather
19:41 <Your_mom_arma> last bjork thing i remember was her opening song for the olympics a while ago(with that crazy dress)
19:41 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: noone asked them to put a server online and steal the name, true
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1
19:51 <Your_mom_arma> is the formating messed up, its displaying wierd in firefox
19:51 <spidey> looks fine to me
19:51 <spidey> though it laggs me pretty bad
19:51 <spidey> o.o
19:52 <mkzelda> my four team server was ahead of its time
19:52 <Your_mom_arma> i see bullet points in the middle of words
19:53 <mkzelda> i do too mom
19:53 <spidey> ah
19:53 <spidey> down at the bottum
19:53 <mkzelda> ya
19:53 <mkzelda> clan 3 clan 4 alternates
19:54 <mkzelda> that server is the jumpiest server ive ever played on
19:54 <spidey> no doubt
19:54 <mkzelda> my 140 ping means nothing, its laggier than the 250 ping @ bugfarm
19:55 <spidey> ping doesn't matter anyways
19:55 <spidey> well it does, kinda
19:55 <spidey> but not really
19:55 <spidey> i've played with a 400+ ping just like i do with a normal ping
19:56 <mkzelda> well it also doesnt indicate things like when your ping goes 140, 900 2 secs later, and back to 140 2 secs after that
19:56 <mkzelda> as mine does on that 4 team server
19:56 <mkzelda> it jumps to 900 a lot
19:56 <spidey> mm
19:56 <mkzelda> but it does it for a only a short time so ppl dont see it
19:56 <spidey> your ping jumps anyways
19:56 <spidey> :p
19:56 <GodTodd> #g 250 C in F
19:56 <armabot> 250 degrees Celsius = 482 degrees Fahrenheit
19:56 <spidey> holy
19:56 <spidey> that's like a fuckin oven
19:56 <spidey> hmm
19:57 <spidey> i could cook a pizza outside then
19:57 <spidey> or in my room
19:57 <GodTodd> heh
19:57 <GodTodd> cept you'd *be* the pizza ;)
19:57 <spidey> heh
19:57 <spidey> hmm
19:58 <spidey> what affects would a server with say, 25 player max have?
19:58 <spidey> tron server
19:58 <mkzelda> it'd be really nasty
19:59 <spidey> lol
19:59 <mkzelda> unless all 25 were lan
19:59 <spidey> well how
19:59 <spidey> tron uses less BW than other games
19:59 <spidey> and i've played with 32 on soldat before
19:59 <mkzelda> well, it uses exponentially more w/ more players
19:59 <mkzelda> i guess most multi games do
20:00 <spidey> ya....
20:01 <spidey> i wouldn't think it'd be any different if the server's connection could support it
20:02 <mkzelda> as far as i can see 12 seems to be the magic # on the server
20:02 <mkzelda> even when the bw fully handles more
20:03 <mkzelda> just my opinion, but when there are more players it always seems like thats when everything turns into a disaster
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20:13 <Your_mom_arma> hey
20:13 <DrJoeTron> hey there
20:14 <DrJoeTron> im creating Dinoruckus
20:14 <spidey> .....
20:14 <Your_mom_arma> thats always fun
20:14 <DrJoeTron> i figured it needed a picture
20:15 <DrJoeTron> i googled image searched a bunch of pictures
20:15 <DrJoeTron> now i justt need to find a rockin guitar
20:15 <Your_mom_arma> google esp ax
20:16 <Your_mom_arma> i want one
20:16 <DrJoeTron> but i cant find anything...unless i turn moderate safe search off
20:16 <DrJoeTron> because rockin guitars are NSFW
20:16 <Your_mom_arma> haha
20:17 <DrJoeTron> right now the picture has a dinosaur wearing a tshirt and cap, i added sunglasses to him, standing next to his wild surfboard on a way rockin tropical island
20:18 <DrJoeTron> it looks great
20:18 <DrJoeTron> one of my reports is going to have this for a cover
20:20 <DrJoeTron> haha Your_mom_arma that ax looks awesome
20:20 <DrJoeTron> did you check out the "brendon small teaches you how to play the metalacolypse theme"?
20:22 <DrJoeTron> http://www.adultswim.com/shows/metal/index.html
20:23 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know brendon small could friggin play
20:25 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191041.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
20:25 <spidey> wtfhax
20:25 <spidey> anyone wanna play freeciv?
20:26 <spidey> Lucifer_arma_, luke-jr_ GodTodd Vanhayes Your_mom_arma ?
20:27 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play a quick game
20:28 <spidey> k
20:28 <spidey> need one more :p
20:29 <Vanhayes> hmm, set an ai for me ill join in, in a few minutes this movie is almost done
20:29 <spidey> how long?
20:30 <Vanhayes> 30 minutes tops
20:30 <Vanhayes> probly 15-20
20:30 <spidey> we'll wait :p
20:30 <Vanhayes> ok, thats good too
20:30 <Vanhayes> be back after its over
20:30 <Your_mom_arma> actually looks like a fairly simple tune joe
20:31 * DrJoeTron plays drums :p
20:31 * Your_mom_arma plays guitar horribly
20:31 * spidey plays games
20:31 <DrJoeTron> lets start a metal band
20:32 <DrJoeTron> you can be our roady spidey
20:32 <spidey> lol
20:33 <DrJoeTron> god damn thats the 3rd time i exited out of house call
20:33 <spidey> owned
20:34 <DrJoeTron> thats wat i get for scanning viruses via java
20:34 <spidey> bah
20:47 <mkzelda> i got freeciv working
20:47 <mkzelda> but i tried to play a single player game
20:47 <mkzelda> didnt know wtf was goin on
20:47 <mkzelda> didnt know how to do a single thing
20:47 <mkzelda> so i quit
20:47 <mkzelda> heh
20:48 <Your_mom_arma> well
20:48 <Your_mom_arma> what do you need explained
20:48 <mkzelda> whats the first thing you do?
20:48 <mkzelda> and how do you do it?
20:48 <mkzelda> i was clicking on things and pressing buttons but nothing seemed to do anything
20:48 <Your_mom_arma> i can go over the basics but im the worst freeciv player here
20:49 <mkzelda> i suppose i should read the wiki and then ask questions
20:49 <Your_mom_arma> the little guys with white polos are explorers
20:49 <mkzelda> if all else fails read the manual
20:50 <Your_mom_arma> you use the orders tab at the top to tell them to explore
20:50 <Your_mom_arma> thats all they're good for
20:50 <Your_mom_arma> use the caravans to build cities
20:52 <Your_mom_arma> a settler has to wait one turn after moving to become a city
20:52 <Your_mom_arma> something no one told me
20:58 <Vanhayes> ok im ready now, who all is playing?
20:59 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: thanks for cleaning up the mess on the wiki
20:59 <Vanhayes> more vandalism?
20:59 <wrtlprnft> no
21:00 <wrtlprnft> just some serious abuse of lists
21:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&curid=2697&diff=14589&oldid=14586&rcid=13600
21:05 <Your_mom_arma> np
21:06 <Your_mom_arma> did spidey bail?
21:07 <Vanhayes> hmm no clue, its only been a half hour so I hope not
21:18 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:18 <wrtlprnft> CTWF and 4team fortress both full
21:18 <wrtlprnft> no place left to play :(
21:19 <Your_mom_arma> hide and seek stonehenge?
21:20 <Your_mom_arma> capture the flag sty!
21:21 <Your_mom_arma> quick someone come play that with me
21:24 <Your_mom_arma> 9 team fortress
21:33 <DrJoeTron> 9team!?
21:34 <Your_mom_arma> it was only 4, false advertisement
21:35 <Your_mom_arma> check out the capture the flag server, this is awesome
21:35 <DrJoeTron> what!?
21:35 <Your_mom_arma> capture the flag sty
21:35 <DrJoeTron> haha sweet deal
21:36 <DrJoeTron> let finish viral scanning and let me load up a play list
21:36 <DrJoeTron> oh man
21:36 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i added the moderator feature for the TS channel
21:36 <DrJoeTron> only we can grant you permission to speak
21:41 <Your_mom_arma> hy headsets broken :{
21:43 <DrJoeTron> haha
21:43 <DrJoeTron> i cant find this server
22:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck armagetron
22:14 <DrJoeTron> all it does is like to break on me
22:14 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it can have any number from 2 to 9
22:18 <DrJoeTron> i want 6
22:19 <Your_mom_arma> 7
22:25 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: does it switch randomly? all ive ever seen is 4 teams
22:32 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft: you can use the team menu
22:32 <wrtlprnft> everyone can create new teams
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22:36 <wrtlprnft> err
22:36 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: you can use the team menu
22:38 <Vanhayes> lol ya I did it, I guess spidey hosts it
22:39 <Vanhayes> thats what i was told anyway
22:40 <Vanhayes> kinda sucks when the rim accel is so high and they start so close
22:45 <Your_mom_arma> 1 player cant carry a ctf team
22:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, rim accel is too high
22:49 <wrtlprnft> and i'd make it so all teams (except possibly one) have two players and up to a max or 8 teams
22:50 <Vanhayes> ya thatd be nice, cause with 1 team with 2 players vs 5 other teams with one, it is pretty easy to get the zone quickly with the rim accel
22:53 <wrtlprnft> it does have advantages for the defender too, though
22:54 <wrtlprnft> http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/11/1855229&from=rss <-- go croatia!
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> im not sure how to feel about all that
23:02 <wrtlprnft> well, for a country like croatia it's a good thing to refuse from depending on american companies
23:02 <wrtlprnft> *refuse to depend
23:04 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma you saw the new tf2 trailer right?
23:07 <spidey> Vanhayes, no manta hosts it
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> no, it didnt load right and i never went back to watch it
23:08 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuhj9WsDzk :D
23:12 <Your_mom_arma> the ending was the best
23:13 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
23:15 <DrJoeTron> i wanna know where the medic and pyro are
23:16 <DrJoeTron> but once this game is out, my grades are going to plummit
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:21 <DrJoeTron> my friends and i have looking for a game all of us to play
23:21 <DrJoeTron> we've divided to BF2 and WoW
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23:31 <spidey> fuckin a
23:31 <spidey> warrock's 270mb plus there's a 125mb patch
23:31 <spidey> o.o
23:35 <Vanhayes> its a good game tho
23:36 <spidey> they got halo 3 ?
23:36 <Vanhayes> the only yhing is that its an open beta for now, which will probly mean you will have to pay for it later
23:36 <spidey> u464fq3l
23:36 <spidey> 'er
23:37 <Vanhayes> that a password?
23:37 <spidey> no a email validation
23:37 <spidey> http://www.fangaming.com/viewtrailer.php?gameid=31&fileid=51
23:37 <spidey> why would i use something i won't remember for my password? :p
23:38 <Vanhayes> some places give out a generic one that you can change later
23:38 <spidey> i always change mine
23:38 <spidey> i can't remember those long ass alpha numeric things
23:38 <Vanhayes> ya but you have to use the generic one to get into the account first
23:38 <spidey> copy/paste
23:38 <spidey> ;x
23:38 <Vanhayes> ya I usually just use the same 2 or 3
23:38 <Vanhayes> for everything
23:39 <spidey> i have like 5 i use
23:39 <spidey> :/
23:39 <spidey> well
23:39 <spidey> lets see
23:39 <Vanhayes> well I have one for 6 or more and a variation of it for 8 or more
23:39 <spidey> 7 including the ones for the computer
23:39 <Vanhayes> hmmguess thats only 2
23:40 <spidey> well
23:40 <spidey> i'll buy the game
23:40 <spidey> if i meet the requirements
23:40 <spidey> that's why i'm downloading it :p
23:40 <spidey> the only thing i probably won't meet is the graphics card
23:41 <spidey> i don't even meet halo's standard
23:41 <spidey> which is bad
23:41 <spidey> but it plays with 50fps
23:41 * Vanhayes will never buy a game again unless it is a very good one
23:41 <spidey> why?
23:41 <Vanhayes> bittorent
23:41 <spidey> so...
23:41 <spidey> you can't play online with a pirated copy
23:41 <spidey> not most games
23:41 <Vanhayes> so why buy something that i can get for free?
23:41 <Vanhayes> yes you can
23:41 <spidey> no you can't
23:42 <Vanhayes> every game I have gotten you can anyway
23:42 <spidey> halo?
23:42 <Vanhayes> nope
23:42 <spidey> swat 4?
23:42 <Vanhayes> nope
23:42 <spidey> far cry?
23:42 <spidey> ok then :p
23:42 <Vanhayes> my comp isnt very good for online FPS
23:42 <spidey> neither is mine
23:42 <Vanhayes> warrock barely works
23:43 <spidey> but i get standard 50fps normally
23:43 <spidey> tron gives me 80~+
23:43 <spidey> that's just onboard
23:43 <spidey> but it doesn't support alpha shading or someshity
23:43 <spidey> so i can't play swat 4 :(
23:43 <Vanhayes> ys 50fps for me too until someone starts shooting at me/ near me then it usually laggs hard and freezes untill I die
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:44 <spidey> 2 minutes!
23:44 <spidey> bah
23:44 <Vanhayes> well this comp will do me untill next year, when i probly wont have a comp at all for a year or so
23:44 <spidey> gotta get the patch to
23:44 <spidey> why?
23:44 <Vanhayes> moving out west
23:45 <spidey> heh
23:45 <spidey> i payed for my computer
23:45 <Vanhayes> and money is going to be tight
23:45 <spidey> allowance ;x
23:45 <Vanhayes> well I have one I could bring but there isnt going to be alot of room
23:45 <spidey> fucking try saving with $20 a week for a 1k compute
23:45 <spidey> computer
23:45 <Vanhayes> could take a while
23:46 <spidey> no shit
23:46 <spidey> my mom payed $200 or so
23:46 <spidey> but it's still mine ;x
23:46 <Vanhayes> I should be making at least $1000 a week out there
23:46 <spidey> o.o
23:46 <Vanhayes> $1000 being low
23:46 <spidey> O.O
23:46 <spidey> i'm moving there
23:46 <Vanhayes> plus having at least 4 roomates
23:46 <Vanhayes> which is the no room part
23:47 <spidey> well
23:47 <spidey> atleast you don't pay much for rent
23:47 <spidey> lol
23:48 <spidey> hmm
23:48 <spidey> is warrock on 1 server
23:48 <spidey> or can people have there own?
23:49 <Vanhayes> there is a tonn of servers
23:49 <spidey> jesus
23:49 <spidey> wow
23:49 <Vanhayes> you can join an empty one and be in control of it
23:49 <Vanhayes> afaik
23:49 <spidey> a geforce or radeon for minimum specs
23:49 <spidey> no way i'll be able run this
23:50 <Vanhayes> i like the new additions
23:50 <spidey> i'ma try
23:50 <Vanhayes> good luck, im gonna go eat brb
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23:58 <spidey> 9,319 files!??!
23:58 <spidey> that's a huge game
23:58 <spidey> that's almost like unpacking my old win98 install
23:58 <spidey> lol
23:59 <Vanhayes> hmm looks like there's an update too
23:59 <Vanhayes> 68.48 mb
Log from 2006-08-27:
--- Day changed Sun Aug 27 2006
00:02 <spidey> -_-
00:02 <spidey> yes
00:02 <spidey> i done downloaded it
00:02 <spidey> i'm on step 2 of 2
00:02 <spidey> o.o
00:03 <Vanhayes> ya just got done with that 68 one
00:03 <spidey> -_-
00:03 <spidey> i think i'll be a scout
00:03 <spidey> i like sniping
00:03 <Vanhayes> what server?
00:03 <spidey> dunno yet
00:03 <spidey> you got a mic?
00:03 <Vanhayes> nope
00:03 <spidey> you suck
00:03 <spidey> :p
00:03 <Vanhayes> lol
00:04 <Vanhayes> my old mic is too old for this comp
00:04 <spidey> o.o
00:04 <Vanhayes> dpesnt work
00:04 <spidey> i've got 2
00:04 <Vanhayes> well there is different master servers too
00:04 <spidey> hmm
00:05 <Vanhayes> there are ones with planes and helicopters
00:05 <spidey> can i host a server?
00:05 <Vanhayes> dont think so
00:05 <spidey> bah
00:05 <spidey> if they do decide to sell it i better get a dedicated server!
00:06 <spidey> yay done
00:09 <spidey> ok
00:09 <spidey> west_Ca_1
00:09 <spidey> mission comvat
00:09 <spidey> combat
00:09 <Vanhayes> which server
00:09 <spidey> well
00:09 <spidey> it froze
00:10 <Vanhayes> ya you arent in there
00:10 <spidey> it was using 223mb ram o.o
00:10 <spidey> hold on lemme close some stuff
00:10 <Vanhayes> might help :)
00:10 <spidey> no shit
00:10 <spidey> ok same server
00:11 <Vanhayes> ok
00:11 <Vanhayes> what name?
00:12 <Vanhayes> heh I love how no one ever takes vanhayes
00:13 <Vanhayes> heh nice
00:14 <Vanhayes> spidey
00:14 <Vanhayes> come to the room called training
00:15 <Vanhayes> pass is 123321
00:15 <Vanhayes> heh
00:15 <Vanhayes> spidey?
00:20 <spidey> hayes?
00:20 <spidey> i don't see a training
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00:21 <spidey> Vanhayes,
00:23 <Vanhayes> ya I quit it by accident quit the client too heh
00:23 <Vanhayes> spidey: you in a game yet?
00:24 <spidey> no
00:24 <spidey> i was
00:24 <spidey> but i kept getting owned :D
00:24 <spidey> i don't see a room called training
00:25 <Vanhayes> hold on
00:26 <Vanhayes> spidey: check now
00:26 <Vanhayes> pas is 123321 remember
00:26 <spidey> coming
00:27 <Vanhayes> ok
00:27 <spidey> still don't see it
00:27 <spidey> i see
00:27 <Vanhayes> should be near the end
00:27 <spidey> nope
00:27 <spidey> which one you in?
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00:32 <DrJoeTron> the ram in this beast's life is at its end
00:32 <DrJoeTron> but man SourceNoid is fun
00:54 <spidey> ok
00:54 <spidey> Vanhayes, ?
00:56 <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes
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01:14 <Vanhayes> #last --nolimit
01:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: [00:56:03] <spidey> Vanhayes, Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes Vanhayes, [00:54:25] <spidey> Vanhayes, ?, [00:54:22] <spidey> ok, [00:32:19] <DrJoeTron> but man SourceNoid is fun, [00:32:11] <DrJoeTron> the ram in this beast's life is at its end, [00:27:46] <spidey> which one you in?, [00:27:42] <spidey> nope, [00:27:18] <Vanhayes> should be near the end, [00:27:13] <spidey> i see, [00:27:07] (50 more messages)
01:14 <Vanhayes> spidey sry seems warrock and x-chat 2 dont like each other
01:15 <Vanhayes> @time
01:15 <Vanhayes> #time
01:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: 01:15 AM, August 27, 2006
01:17 <spidey> lol
01:17 <spidey> sky said thanks
01:17 <Vanhayes> ?
01:17 <spidey> hrphy
01:17 <spidey> leopard
01:17 <Vanhayes> o ya
01:17 <spidey> whatever
01:17 <Vanhayes> lol
01:18 <spidey> sounds like a gay name for a dude to me
01:18 <Vanhayes> want to try warrock again?
01:18 <spidey> ya
01:18 <Vanhayes> ok
01:18 <spidey> same server/channel
01:18 <Vanhayes> yup
01:18 <spidey> k
01:18 <Vanhayes> played mission for the first time, its like last man standing
01:19 <Vanhayes> with teams
01:19 <Vanhayes> vehicle is pretty fun
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01:29 <spidey> hayes
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02:37 <spidey> was fun but
02:37 <spidey> i gotta piss
02:37 <spidey> brb
02:39 <spidey> hamburgers ;x
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02:40 <Vanhayes> #last --nolimit
02:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: [02:39:45] <spidey> hamburgers ;x, [02:37:04] <spidey> brb, [02:37:04] <spidey> i gotta piss, [02:37:00] <spidey> was fun but, [01:29:12] <spidey> hayes, [01:19:12] <Vanhayes> vehicle is pretty fun, [01:19:02] <Vanhayes> with teams, [01:18:47] <Vanhayes> played mission for the first time, its like last man standing, [01:18:32] <spidey> k, [01:18:19] <Vanhayes> yup, [01:18:11] <spidey> same server/channel, (50 more messages)
02:44 <spidey> heh
02:44 <spidey> to bad they don't have a dedicated server :/
02:51 <spidey> hahahahahaha
02:51 <spidey> Vanhayes,
02:51 <Vanhayes> spidey:
02:51 <spidey> guess where my webserver is
02:51 <Vanhayes> ?
02:51 <spidey> of all places
02:51 <Vanhayes> canada
02:51 <spidey> no
02:51 <Vanhayes> aw
02:52 <spidey> it's in tennessee
02:52 <Vanhayes> is that close to you?
02:52 <spidey> yes
02:52 <spidey> fayetteville
02:52 <spidey> it's about 40 miles from here
02:52 <Vanhayes> lol nice
02:53 <spidey> ya
02:53 <spidey> i did resolved my domain then did a lookup on the ip
02:53 <spidey> i was like
02:53 <spidey> o.o
02:56 <Vanhayes> spidey: want to try vehicle now?
02:56 <Vanhayes> i want to get better at flying
02:56 <Vanhayes> I usually crash with the plane and always crash with the helicopter
02:59 <Lucifer_arma_> you playing flightgear now?
03:00 <Vanhayes> lol no, my comp cant handle that game very well
03:01 <Vanhayes> warrock is this one
03:03 <Vanhayes> flightgear always took at least 5 min to load then was so choppy that I couldnt play untill all of the ground was out of my view
03:03 <Vanhayes> soo i could see was blue sky, which isnt that fun
03:05 <spidey> lol
03:06 <Vanhayes> spidey: join vehicle and the same room/pass
03:06 <spidey> i'm eating
03:07 <spidey> man
03:07 <Vanhayes> ok when your done then
03:07 <spidey> my pc sure doesn't like warrock
03:07 <spidey> or warrock doesn't like it
03:07 <Vanhayes> my irc client hates it
03:07 <spidey> mines does fine with it
03:07 <spidey> just
03:07 <spidey> laggy
03:07 <Vanhayes> closes everytime I join a game
03:07 <spidey> lol
03:07 <Vanhayes> the laggs actually pretty good for me
03:08 <spidey> i meet all the recommended requirements except the graphics
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> arma sucks
03:09 <spidey> spidey sucks at arma
03:10 * Your_mom_arma is sick of trying to help people and then getting cursed at
03:10 <spidey> curse back
03:10 <spidey> do like i do :D
03:10 <spidey> noone bothers me anymore
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> 'im confused'-guy 'Explains(bla bla)'-me "SHUT UP B*TCH I KNOW"-guy
03:12 <spidey> lol
03:12 <spidey> i don't talk to anyone anymore
03:12 <spidey> and noone talks to me
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> arma doesnt suck the people who play are jerks
03:12 <spidey> if they do i mentally ignore them :D
03:13 <Vanhayes> hahaha, nice I thought you meant other people were cursing at you for helping him
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:13 <Vanhayes> why mentally ehen you have an option spidey ?
03:13 <Vanhayes> when*
03:13 <spidey> huh?
03:13 <spidey> english please :D
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> silence menu
03:14 <Vanhayes> <spidey> if they do i mentally ignore them
03:14 <spidey> oh
03:14 <Vanhayes> <Vanhayes> why mentally when you have an option spidey
03:14 <spidey> because that menu takes effert
03:14 <Vanhayes> but not mental effort :)
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03:23 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv today?
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03:24 <spidey> sure
03:24 <spidey> now/?
03:25 <Your_mom_arma> 5 mins or so. i'ld like to see that save game finish
03:25 <Vanhayes> yes so would I
03:26 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma_: you have time for that now?
03:31 <Vanhayes> hmm spidey Your_mom_arma want to start a new one up?
03:31 <spidey> chure
03:31 <Your_mom_arma> ok
03:32 <Vanhayes> what server?
03:32 <Vanhayes> or port I guess
03:32 <Vanhayes> 5565
03:34 <luke-jr_> ...
03:34 <Vanhayes> you too I guess luke...
03:34 <Vanhayes> heh jk
03:34 <Vanhayes> didnt know you were here or not
03:34 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:35 <Vanhayes> #last --from luke-jr_ --nolimit
03:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: [03:34:02] <luke-jr_> ..., [16:26:08] <luke-jr_> rofl, [14:40:37] <luke-jr_> but it has to be done, [14:40:25] <luke-jr_> perhaps, but I don't see how anyone wants the kind of job where you just drive, [14:37:39] <luke-jr_> except minus the mesh, [14:36:04] <luke-jr_> perhaps the cost of gas is getting too high for that tho, [14:35:48] <luke-jr_> IIRC, on the east coast US they use a simple hardware wireless (50 more messages)
03:35 <Vanhayes> ya thats about 11 hours
03:36 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_ = book-hard?
03:37 <spidey> no
03:37 <spidey> book is a dev
03:37 <spidey> and he's fucking good
03:37 <Vanhayes> ya well he is a dev..
03:37 <spidey> lol
03:37 <Vanhayes> stupid devs
03:37 <spidey> we're gonna get owned :D
03:49 <Lucifer_arma_> I'm probably not going to be able to play the rest of that saved game, so I can either run it for you guys to finish, or send it and one of you guys can run it
03:49 <Lucifer_arma_> school starts monday
03:55 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: want to finish that game?
03:55 <luke-jr_> not right now really
03:56 <spidey> then
03:56 <Vanhayes> argh I want to get it done before school starts
03:56 <spidey> can luci put a euro map up? :D
03:56 <Vanhayes> plz
03:56 <spidey> i would
03:56 <spidey> but i don't know what i'm doing :D
03:58 <Vanhayes> well if luke-jr_ would play we could finish that game
04:00 <Lucifer_arma_> the point is I won't have time to play anything again until a couple of weeks after school starts, if then
04:00 <Lucifer_arma_> depends. I'm taking errr, I forgot already
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> it's gotta be 15 credit hours
04:01 <Vanhayes> hmm well we could always play for an hour or two a day after school starts
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's 14 credit hours, 4 classes
04:01 <Lucifer_arma_> calc 3, physics, drafting, and us government
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04:02 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: could you set up your server with a europe map?
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> it could be "all bets are off until the summertime", because the following semester has a whole bunch of math-heavy classes
04:03 <Vanhayes> we can play that save game whenever really
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> sure
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> started
04:04 <Vanhayes> ok thx
04:04 <spidey> hold on
04:04 <spidey> wait
04:04 <spidey> i'ma kill the AI at 3050bc
04:04 <spidey> lol
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> tonight I've got some programming to do, a release I've been putting off (for no good reason, heh), and I need to finish gathering school supplies in the house so I know what I need to buy still, if anything
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> my GPA is 3.875 now :(
04:14 <luke-jr_> hm
04:15 <luke-jr_> someone forgot to add 0.2.8.2.1 to aabeta
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05:02 <Vanhayes> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with dave
05:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
05:05 <spidey> gimme a minute
05:05 <spidey> my soldat host just came online
05:05 <spidey> and owes me 2 months of hosting
05:05 <spidey> -_-
05:15 <luke-jr_> eh?
05:16 <spidey> soldat
05:16 <spidey> they're reactivating my server with 2 months credit :D
05:17 <luke-jr_> :o
05:17 <luke-jr_> what happened?
05:17 <spidey> they went down for 3 months
05:18 <spidey> after the second i stopped paying
05:18 <spidey> lol
05:18 <luke-jr_> no excuse/reason?
05:18 <spidey> not that i know o
05:18 <spidey> f
05:18 <luke-jr_> you didn't demand an explanation? =p
05:18 * luke-jr_ would, but his stuff isn't just a game =p
05:18 <spidey> hey
05:18 <spidey> i'm happy to get my $60 back
05:19 <spidey> plus only $15 a month for 3 months
05:19 <spidey> it's normally $30 a month
05:19 <Vanhayes> spidey: how long are you going to be?
05:19 <spidey> gimme 5 minutes
05:19 <spidey> brb
05:21 <luke-jr_> so shouldn't you be getting credit for 4 months then?
05:21 <spidey> no...
05:21 <spidey> the server costs $30 a month right?
05:21 <spidey> i payed 2 months in advanced for it
05:21 <spidey> then they went down
05:21 <luke-jr_> <spidey> plus only $15 a month for 3 months
05:21 <spidey> so i'm getting that credit back
05:21 <spidey> BUT
05:22 <spidey> after that
05:22 <spidey> it's $15 for 3 months
05:22 <spidey> then it's back to normal
05:22 <luke-jr_> o
05:22 <luke-jr_> hmm
05:22 <luke-jr_> $30/mo sounds nice
05:22 * luke-jr_ bugs soldat guy for src =p
05:22 <spidey> that's for 32 slots
05:22 <luke-jr_> ah
05:22 <luke-jr_> how much bw is that?
05:23 <spidey> dunno
05:23 <spidey> my server's on a 1gb port
05:23 <luke-jr_> dedicated?
05:23 <spidey> i guess
05:23 <luke-jr_> I doubt it o.o
05:24 <luke-jr_> dedicated is expensive
05:24 <spidey> they're free i think
05:24 <spidey> they advertise for the connection
05:24 <spidey> i saw it somewhere
05:24 <luke-jr_> ?
05:26 <luke-jr_> I wonder if I should offer 4-slot and 8-slot at 16-slot prices with a setup fee o.o
05:26 <spidey> lol
05:27 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.d
05:27 <spidey> ...
05:27 <armabot> spidey: [06:33:13] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
05:27 <Your_mom_arma> WPN (We Pwn Noobs) <- new name of lol
05:28 <luke-jr_> I know
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> We are a group of highly skilled tron players that have joined together to create the ultimate clan. There are no noobs allowed here. We strictly pwn.
05:28 <luke-jr_> they wish?
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> If i didnt know better i'ld think this was sarcasm
05:29 <spidey> haha
05:29 <spidey> indeed
05:29 <spidey> to bad i suck ass now
05:29 <spidey> or i'd have fun with them
05:33 <luke-jr_> maybe I should offer specials
05:33 <luke-jr_> like
05:33 <luke-jr_> prepay 5 months, get the 6th month free
05:33 <luke-jr_> dunno if that's financially practical except for 4 slot tho lol
05:33 <luke-jr_> maybe I should raise prices so I can do that kind of stuff o.o
05:41 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
05:42 <Vanhayes> spidey, Your_mom_arma wait a few minutes for it to restart
05:42 <spidey> ok
05:42 <spidey> ok
05:42 <spidey> it's ready
05:43 <spidey> :D
05:43 <Your_mom_arma> should i come back?
05:44 <spidey> yes
05:47 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: you there?
05:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ?
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> Your_mom_arma: you there?
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
06:03 <spidey> like that luke?
06:03 <spidey> lol
06:03 <luke-jr_> stfu luser
06:03 <spidey> it's ready
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> what happened?
06:03 <luke-jr_> I wonder why my IME only works in Freeciv
06:04 <spidey> i tried to cut him
06:04 <spidey> then he voted
06:04 <spidey> then i got the command right
06:04 <spidey> lol
06:10 <spidey> ???
06:11 <spidey> Vanhayes, Your_mom_arma you get disconnected to?
06:11 <luke-jr_> ??? @ you
06:11 <Vanhayes> no
06:11 <spidey> w
06:11 <spidey> t
06:11 <spidey> f
06:11 <luke-jr_> bad spidey
06:11 <luke-jr_> cutting everyone
06:11 <spidey> ?
06:12 * luke-jr_ glares at spidey
06:12 <luke-jr_> um
06:12 <luke-jr_> how is this at 6000%?
06:12 <luke-jr_> kinda scary from a filesystem damage recovery program :x
06:12 <spidey> it won't let me reconnect
06:12 <spidey> but
06:13 <spidey> i can connect to other servers
06:13 <Vanhayes> says you did
06:13 <spidey> ?
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> try now
06:15 <spidey> i am...
06:15 <Vanhayes> spider?
06:15 <Vanhayes> says you conected
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv needs a few gametesters
06:20 <spidey> fuck it
06:20 <spidey> appearently i'm not supposed to play freeciv -_-
06:21 <Vanhayes> kept showing that you connected
06:22 <Vanhayes> then diconnected
06:29 <spidey> #ping
06:29 <armabot> pong
06:29 <Vanhayes> #pong
06:29 <spidey> not this fucking bullshit again
06:29 <spidey> Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
06:29 <Vanhayes> lol
06:29 <spidey> can i sue my isp for really shit quality??
06:29 <Vanhayes> try joining again
06:29 <luke-jr_> doubt it
06:30 <luke-jr_> spidey: maybe for false advertising
06:30 <luke-jr_> eg, if they claim 100x dialup
06:30 <luke-jr_> and cap you at 30x
06:30 <luke-jr_> 100x dialup is 5.6 mbit fyi
06:30 <GodTodd> nah...cuz they usually say "up to" whatever
06:30 <spidey> they say 100x faster
06:30 <spidey> it's 50x faster
06:30 <luke-jr_> 700 KB/sec
06:31 <luke-jr_> if they say 100x faster and your *cap* is under 700 KB/sec, it's false advertising
06:31 <luke-jr_> if it's a cap, then "up to" is still a lie
06:31 <spidey> i get half that
06:31 <spidey> around 380kb/s
06:31 <luke-jr_> but what is your cap set to?
06:31 <spidey> ....
06:31 <GodTodd> i'm willing to bet that they are covered quite nicely in fine print
06:31 <spidey> 3mbit
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06:32 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: don't think it's possible if it's actual false advertising
06:32 <luke-jr_> what are they gonna say? "only 50x, we lied about 100x"?
06:32 <spidey> lol
06:32 <GodTodd> ok luke...once again you know better than anyone else
06:32 <spidey> btw
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06:32 <spidey> fine print doesn't count
06:33 <spidey> for 1
06:33 <spidey> they did it over the phone
06:33 <GodTodd> nothing in writing at all?
06:33 <spidey> for 2 if there was something like that aren't they obligated to tell you if you're not in person to see the ToS or signing?
06:34 <GodTodd> not if they tell you where to see the ToS
06:34 <luke-jr_> they cannot hold you to a ToS or contract without you being told the exact terms
06:34 <spidey> GodTodd, no it was done over the phone
06:34 <spidey> it was call, they come setup
06:34 <spidey> then leave
06:34 <spidey> i wasn't even here when they did it
06:34 <luke-jr_> erm, how'd they get in?
06:34 <spidey> they didn't
06:35 <spidey> they ran what they could of the line
06:35 <spidey> i did the rest
06:35 <spidey> :p
06:35 <luke-jr_> modem?
06:35 <spidey> ya?
06:35 <spidey> modem
06:35 <luke-jr_> how'd you get it? =p
06:35 <spidey> i live herE?
06:35 <luke-jr_> ...
06:35 <luke-jr_> most homes don't come with modems
06:35 <spidey> oh
06:36 <spidey> they gave left it on the back pourch
06:36 <luke-jr_> lol
06:36 <spidey> with the rest of the coax
06:36 <luke-jr_> rofl
06:38 <GodTodd> what company is it?
06:38 <spidey> charter
06:38 <luke-jr_> seriously, see what happens if you threaten to sue =p
06:39 <luke-jr_> they are obviously false advertising if they don't offer 6mbit and claim to
06:39 <GodTodd> i can guarantee they have something somewhere that says "we cannot guarantee quality of service" yada yada yada
06:39 <luke-jr_> that wouldn't matter
06:39 <spidey> they only offer 3mbit
06:39 <luke-jr_> they *intentially* go out of their way to *prevent* it
06:39 <GodTodd> <spidey> can i sue my isp for really shit quality??
06:39 <GodTodd> that has nothing to do with speed
06:39 <luke-jr_> spidey: also be sure it's not a national commercial, and just a regional restriction
06:40 <spidey> heh
06:40 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: in his case it does =p
06:40 <spidey> well
06:40 <spidey> lets see
06:40 <spidey> rains = shit connection
06:40 <GodTodd> speed does not equal quality
06:40 <spidey> at night = shit
06:40 <luke-jr_> for an ISP, quality is speed, latency, and protocols
06:40 <spidey> GodTodd, does ping? does dropping out?
06:40 <spidey> does not being able to hold a connection
06:40 <spidey> it's shit quality
06:40 <GodTodd> ok luke...earthlink is not an isp then, eh?
06:41 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: no, not really =p
06:41 <Vanhayes> #night
06:41 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
06:41 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: they're a mere brand label
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06:41 <GodTodd> fine...i'm wrong, luke is right....as always
06:41 <luke-jr_> I would know, being an Earthlink customer
06:42 <GodTodd> and i wouldn't, having done tech support for them
06:42 <luke-jr_> the only thing Earthlink about me is my RDNS
06:42 <GodTodd> gotcha
06:42 <luke-jr_> I pay Time Warner, get service from TW, go to TW for support, etc
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> um, I'm here
06:42 <GodTodd> i already said you're right
06:42 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, to late
06:42 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm not
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> says the freeciv game is still going. I started it in a screen session, so it shouldn't have stopped when I rebooted my laptop
06:44 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: it crashed and burned I think
06:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, no my connection broke
06:44 <spidey> AGAIN
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> then van bailed
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> and i can play against bots local
06:45 <spidey> lol
06:45 <spidey> i can connect to public servers for somereason
06:45 <spidey> wanna play there?
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> nah im tired of freeciv for today
06:45 <spidey> luci = only one i can't
06:46 <spidey> i need more ram
06:46 <spidey> and another hdd o.o
06:46 <spidey> but the gfx card comes first
06:47 <spidey> whenever my mom sends the $40 to finish the payment
06:48 <spidey> 98 movies and i've seen them all so many times i could careless if i had them anymore
06:48 <spidey> :/
06:50 <spidey> ahhhhh
06:50 <spidey> i need to get one of my 40gig drives back -_-
06:51 <spidey> #check jurrasick
06:51 <armabot> spidey: jurassic
06:51 <spidey> ty!
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> You can think of this as the Republican Party simulated by the game server, where the game server will always oppose every vote in favor of maintaining the status quo. <--- who wrote that? heh
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07:03 <groundpig> hi
07:03 <luke-jr_> hi
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:04 <groundpig> my map blows
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> want me to make a new one?
07:04 <groundpig> that would be great if you could!
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> alright
07:05 <groundpig> the problems now are 1) the dtd 2) the spawn point layout
07:05 <groundpig> not sure exactly what the optimal layout for CTF would be though
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> rectangle overall
07:06 <groundpig> respawn added some issues
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> does it respawn using zmans code?
07:07 <groundpig> yes, but with some modifications
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> i kept spawning outside the areana
07:08 <groundpig> that part i did not touch
07:09 <Your_mom_arma> should we put walls near the flag?
07:10 <groundpig> whatever you think would work best
07:10 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
07:10 <groundpig> i think the main thing for respawn is to make it not be right in the middle of the base and the flag
07:11 <luke-jr_> fun, CTF
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07:12 <luke-jr_> groundpig: when you have a versioned DTD that conforms with the rest of the map stuff nicely, let wrtlprnft or I know
07:12 <groundpig> i think it just needs to add a flag zone type
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> how about spawn infront of the base centered and have the flag up and right of spawn
07:14 <groundpig> i wonder if having the flag be in the base would work
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> it would work
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> want that?
07:15 <groundpig> i could just do that with the map i have now, to test it out
07:16 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6110 /www/wiki/trunk/ (. skins/armagetronad/main.css): Margin changes, hopefully
07:18 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6111 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> sounds like a good idea
07:23 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6112 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:24 <groundpig> ok i changed it, we'll see
07:25 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6113 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:26 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6114 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:27 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6115 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
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07:29 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6116 /www/wiki/trunk/skins/armagetronad/main.css: Margin changes, hopefully
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, the margins were really annoying me on the wiki. Sorry for spamming irc with svn commits again, heh.
07:40 <arctanx> guys, I can't find the option >.< which console setting adjusts how quickly rubber used decreases?
07:40 <arctanx> is that rubber efficiency? or something else?
07:40 <spidey> #armaconfig rubber
07:41 <armabot> spidey: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER: Additional niceness for high ping players (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER: Niceness factor to allow you drive really close to a wall (default: 1) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY: During this fraction of the cycle delay time after each turn, rubber efficiency will be multiplied with CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS: Factor for CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY rubber efficiency. (11 more messages)
07:41 <spidey> #more
07:41 <armabot> spidey: (default: 0.5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_BONUS differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_DELAY differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_LEGACY: Revert to old, framerate dependant and old-clients-ripping, rubber code if old clients are present. Old means <= (10 more messages)
07:41 <spidey> #more
07:41 <armabot> spidey: 0.2.7.0 here. (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TIME: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 5) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN: UNDOCUMENTED (default: 0) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when CYCLE_RUBBER_MALUS_TURN differs from its default? (default: 3) || CYCLE_RUBBER_MINADJUST: When adjusting to or 180ing into a wall, allow going closer by at least this amount (relative to the last (9 more messages)
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> has anybody noticed the lack of spam on the wiki, or am I smoking something?
07:42 * arctanx sighs
07:43 <spidey> put the pipe down!
07:44 <arctanx> the descriptions aren't helping me, does anyone know the specific setting?
07:46 <arctanx> ah, found it I think
07:47 <spidey> i just used a few settings
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> CYCLE_RUBBER_TIMEBASED Rubber usage is based on distance travelled if this is 0 (default) and the time passed if this is 1. Intermediate values and values out of these bounds are supported as well.
07:47 <spidey> set the rubber at 5 used a few settings to multiplyy it
07:47 <spidey> so people don't bitch if they don't know the rubber is really 10
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer to set rubber at 50 and kick people who dig/iron/whateverthefuckit'scalled
07:48 <spidey> lol
07:48 <spidey> you know
07:48 <spidey> "I" haven't banned one person from any of my servers
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's what they did on MBC, yeah, I know
07:49 <spidey> the server has autobans though
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've only ever banned 2 people, maybe 3.
07:49 <spidey> spam and such
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've only firewall banned people
07:49 <spidey> awhile back when i ran a server local i banned psyko
07:49 <spidey> lol
07:49 <spidey> same
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I've come real close to kicking psyko just for fun, heh
07:50 <spidey> it's hard isn't it?
07:50 <spidey> lol
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> but I have amazing self-control! :)
07:50 <spidey> i only kicked like 7 people
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> still, if he says "gay" I'll kick him in a heartbeat, even if he says "I just realized I'm gay, I'm coming out of the closet"
07:51 <spidey> the obnoxious assholes and the ones that try to poll a new player while i'm trying to help them get the hang of it
07:51 <spidey> -_-
07:51 <spidey> i think now my 2 servers are mostly user run :s
07:51 <spidey> i haven't been in them in atleast a month
07:53 <spidey> hmm
07:53 <spidey> which reminds me
07:54 <spidey> the fortress crowd is kinda small now days, and there's more us fortress servers
07:54 <spidey> thinking about taking it down o.o
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, it shrunk when z-man took down his big fortress server
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> now the fortress crowd mostly seems to just bitch about not having a big fortress server anymore.
07:56 <spidey> honestly
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I took my server down, though. Don't know if I'll bring it back, either. Nobody played there and I was just tired of running a server.
07:57 <spidey> well
07:57 <spidey> mainly
07:57 <spidey> a us fortress server won't get much traffic
07:57 <spidey> because
07:57 <spidey> the bigger part are europeans
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> many of the fortress players are european? heh
07:57 <spidey> and they won't play with a 150+ ping
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> wusses
07:58 <spidey> they concider THAT high
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know. wusses
07:58 <spidey> i'd glady take a 150 ping, lol
07:58 <spidey> hell, a guy from britian had a 130 ping
07:58 <spidey> so it's not that bad
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> Manta always had 400+ and did a fine job of kicking ass and taking down names
07:59 <spidey> dude
07:59 <spidey> in wild west fortress
07:59 <spidey> manta has a 175 or less ping
07:59 <spidey> :S
07:59 <spidey> it even went down to 165 once
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> can he even play with that good a ping?
07:59 <spidey> lol
08:01 <spidey> i want a t3
08:01 <spidey> :/
08:01 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, buy me a t3
08:01 <spidey> plzkthnx
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> NO!
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:05 <spidey> why not :(
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> looks like my backups are working fine right now, but only taking up 13GB of the backup partition
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I'm increasing the interval to 4 weeks instead of 1 week
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> having a mostly empty backup partition isn't the best backup I can have!
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> if 4 weeks don't reach 20GB, then I can consider going to an 8 week backup with 2 full backups
08:08 <groundpig> manta is on my server now if you want to double check his ping
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh, nah, I better not. I haven't played in a month or so and at least until I started playing freeciv I was happy to have that time back
08:08 <spidey> i haven't seen his ping under 200 on any server beside his
08:09 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you suck now, you won't be as intrested
08:09 <spidey> i went in a server
08:09 <spidey> 2 minutes later i left
08:10 <spidey> how is it
08:10 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, is the only one who can play other games and be good at both at the sametime
08:10 <spidey> -_-
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> how do I get a cronjob to email me its output? shouldn't that be automatic?
08:15 <spidey> hahahahah
08:15 <spidey> i fucknig hate cronjob emails
08:15 <spidey> i had 5k from that fucking thing once
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, better, how do I get cron to only email me for one command? heh
08:15 * Lucifer_arma just realized he is getting email for everything
08:15 <spidey> that's the problem
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably better to carefully write the script to email me on its own instead
08:15 <spidey> it emailed me for one command
08:15 <spidey> over
08:15 <spidey> and over
08:15 <spidey> and over again
08:15 <spidey> :/
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I want to setup a weekly cronjob that checks backup increments and emails me
08:16 <spidey> dunno, i've only used cpanel cronjob
08:16 <spidey> i point and click, it does it for me
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, the backups are happening, I just checked by hand, but I want a weekly email so I can easily check how it's going
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> like, there's 14 days of backups but there should only be 7. I've just set it for 4 weeks, so I want to watch and see that at 28 days it gets cut off like it's supposed to
08:17 <spidey> hmm
08:17 <spidey> dunno
08:19 <spidey> ok i'm going to sleep so i'll be up intime to annoy wrtlprnft
08:20 <spidey> #google McSpiddles
08:20 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.27 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://armagetronad.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>; #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
08:20 <spidey> spidey is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 94 times.
08:20 <spidey> For example, like this:
08:20 <spidey> * spidey slaps wrtlprnft
08:20 <spidey> lol
08:21 <spidey> ok
08:21 <spidey> now i goto sleep
08:21 <spidey> #night
08:21 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> good morning
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 800MB in KB
08:43 <armabot> 800 megabytes = 819,200 kilobytes
08:43 <luke-jr_> #g 800 YB in KB
08:43 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:43 <luke-jr_> aww
08:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> YB?
08:45 <DrJoeTron> groundpig hi! im responding to your message of earlier today
08:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lolol
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08:50 <DrJoeTron> man i wanna play ZOE
08:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> zoe?
08:50 <DrJoeTron> zone of the enders
08:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> zone of the enders?
08:51 <DrJoeTron> giant fast robot fighting action
08:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm k
08:51 <DrJoeTron> its for ps2
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm gonna get an xbox in a couple of days
08:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna install linux on it
08:53 <DrJoeTron> have fun with that PIII in there
08:53 <luke-jr_> heh
08:53 <luke-jr_> might have been a deal when it came out...
08:54 <luke-jr_> now, it's just a waste
08:54 <DrJoeTron> you know
08:54 <luke-jr_> get a PS3 w/ Linux or smth =p
08:54 <DrJoeTron> xbox is the first system to kill a baby
08:54 <luke-jr_> lol
08:55 <groundpig> DrJoeTron: just saying hi
08:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: ps3 is too expensive
08:56 * [Xpert]DarkStar is just a poor student
08:56 <groundpig> finally had some time to play more tron, but not for long
08:57 <groundpig> only have 2-3 weeks left until the piglet
08:57 <luke-jr_> is a POWER 6 too expensive?
08:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would armagetron b playable on a 400mhz celeron without 3d accelerated gfx?
08:58 <luke-jr_> I'd hope so
08:58 <luke-jr_> obviously w/ details all minimum
08:58 <luke-jr_> you won't get floor mirror for sure =p
08:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aww
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i once played it on a 150 mhz sparc
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> "played"
08:59 <luke-jr_> if you want, give me a budget and I'll pick out parts for a new PC from newegg =p
08:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no thanks... i have a decent machine in the office... just too lazy to get out of bed
09:00 <luke-jr_> lol
09:00 <luke-jr_> build a Myth system
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> myth?
09:01 <luke-jr_> it's a Linux PVR
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> pvr?
09:01 <luke-jr_> you can run games too of course
09:01 <luke-jr_> like TiVO
09:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> dun ring a bell :/
09:01 <luke-jr_> ...
09:02 <luke-jr_> http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures
09:02 <luke-jr_> more or less, it's a UI designed for TVs
09:03 <luke-jr_> then just stick games, emulators, etc on it
09:03 <luke-jr_> SIP phone too
09:04 <luke-jr_> with a web interface for stuff too complex for a remote
09:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lookd cool
09:04 <luke-jr_> but that stuff is just TV i think
09:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> looks
09:04 <luke-jr_> which is dumb anyway
09:04 <luke-jr_> better to download stuff to it =op
09:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> indeed
09:08 <luke-jr_> is it acceptable to wait a month before a store ships your DVDs?
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no it's not
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yay, got a weekly backup report cronjob now
09:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i should eventually make backups of my stuff as well
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you install rdiff-backup I can send you the script I'm using
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i guess i'm just gonna make conventional backups
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> and "eventually" is a losing time period. Found that out this summer.
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09:11 <luke-jr_> hrm
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> "now" is a much better time period :)
09:11 <luke-jr_> you know, if it was a scam... would Google have had a paid ad for it?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> um, could be
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> why are you buying dvds anyway?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> MPAA == evil
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the presense of a google ad does not mean it's reputable. It's a self-serve signup process, iirc.
09:14 <luke-jr_> Each item is a special order and can take up to 21 days to receive, in the rare event of a back order, we process it the moment we receive it. Please be patient, one of the reasons you receive such a low price on our site is we don't carry a big stock.
09:14 <luke-jr_> MPAA does non-movies?
09:16 <luke-jr_> :x
09:16 * luke-jr_ was buying them cuz it's a decent price and download was SLOW
09:16 <luke-jr_> didn't imagine the shipping would be SLOWER
09:17 <luke-jr_> but anyway, under $1 per episode comes out pretty good
09:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> does anyone here know an isp in france that offers dial up at only phone costs?
09:20 <luke-jr_> translation: they don't charge you?
09:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
09:21 <luke-jr_> how do they do that?
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> MPAA = Motion Picture Association of America
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they either work with the telephone provider or they ARE the telephone provider
09:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like here in switzerland there's this provider for internet and phone
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09:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: motion picture = movie
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> you ordered dvds that don't have movies on them?
09:23 * Lucifer_arma wants to know why it takes hiim so long to receive email
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, 5 minutes is a long time!
09:23 <luke-jr_> 1 hour episodes
09:24 <luke-jr_> X-Files
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> xfiles
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> tv companies are evil too, you know
09:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> best series ever
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> the guys that say you have to watch commercials because that pays for tv? Those guys?
09:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: yes, but <$1/ep is cheaper than download time too
09:24 <luke-jr_> shrug, DVDs don't have commercials
09:24 <luke-jr_> or if they do, I never see them with mplayer
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter if the dvds do or not, you're still giving money to those people
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> just like registering a domain with godaddy, but I guess pictures of people having sex are far more evil than companies trying to suck away your freedom for the sake of corporate greed
09:25 <luke-jr_> I'm giving money to Time Warner too
09:25 <luke-jr_> the point is that I get my value in return
09:25 <luke-jr_> or that's the theory anyhow
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> your freedom is valueless, then?
09:25 <luke-jr_> no
09:26 <luke-jr_> but buying DVDs doesn't sell my freedom
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> sure it does. Can a tivo still skip commercials?
09:26 <luke-jr_> shrug
09:26 <luke-jr_> I imagine a Mythbox can
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> sure, maybe, as long as the MythTV guys don't have to face what OLGA's facing
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> www.olga.net
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> or what happened to dvd Jon (even though he got off in the end, heh :) )
09:27 <luke-jr_> give me a nuke and I'll use it =p
09:27 <DrJoeTron> tivo can skip commercials
09:27 <luke-jr_> there, see
09:27 <DrJoeTron> but now tivo has advertisements built in
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> really? All's I really know is that the tv guys were trying to use the LAW to make them stop
09:28 <DrJoeTron> no
09:28 <DrJoeTron> more like Tivo needs MONEY
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, they kinda always had advertisements, but they were optional, afaik
09:28 <DrJoeTron> tivo is getting close to death
09:28 <luke-jr_> ROFL
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> from fighting all those lawsuits? heh
09:29 <DrJoeTron> theyve been winning some
09:29 <DrJoeTron> but everything is replacing it
09:29 <DrJoeTron> so its almost not really needed
09:30 <DrJoeTron> dvr's ondemand stuff like that
09:30 <DrJoeTron> to top it off tivo is now limiting how long you can have recorded shows for
09:30 <luke-jr_> that's smart
09:30 <luke-jr_> limit features to compete...
09:30 <DrJoeTron> now its only for a weel
09:30 <luke-jr_> =p
09:30 <DrJoeTron> week*
09:30 <luke-jr_> usually competition involves *innovation* and *adding* features
09:30 <luke-jr_> sounds to me like tivo is just plain dumb
09:31 <luke-jr_> I was supposed to be in bed 2 1/2 hrs ago -.-
09:31 <luke-jr_> I have to start my new job Mon
09:31 <DrJoeTron> tivo WAS great
09:31 <luke-jr_> and it's a 9-6 thing
09:32 <DrJoeTron> if you read engadget you will usually find something about tivo every other day
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, they were under a lot of pressure
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i think they won their case against Echostar
09:33 <DrJoeTron> who were making dvr;s
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> my point ws that if you buy dvds with tv shows on them, you're most likely supporting evil companies
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> I realize sometimes you have no choice. You have to pay your electric bill, and if it's not a publicly-owned utility, it's probably an evil company
09:34 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=Tivo
09:34 <DrJoeTron> you know who i want to really support?
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> I have to pay my internet bill, and time warner is the only high speed option I've got right now
09:34 <DrJoeTron> www.rifftrax.com
09:35 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: my electric company is installing a $300 thermostat gratis o.o
09:35 <DrJoeTron> think mst3k
09:35 <DrJoeTron> its the same writer
09:39 * Lucifer_arma notes that Halliburton is a power company
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit I was never terribly impressed with the "watch cartoon characters watch movies" genre of tv programming
09:42 <luke-jr_> lol
09:43 <GodTodd> actually, halliburton makes their money supplying "power companies"
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> with what?
09:44 * Lucifer_arma notes he doesn't really know why halliburton is supposed to be evil
09:44 <GodTodd> well...mostly they supply the stuff to pull oil out of the ground
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> they make dykes?
09:45 <GodTodd> derricks, tankers, firmware...that sort of thing
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> er, I guess the dyke joke wasn't very funny
09:45 <GodTodd> i got it ;)
09:45 <GodTodd> heh
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> I wondered what halliburton did, actually. The only thing I thought I knew was that they owned some of the Houston power companies
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> and they had an accounting scandal that threw egg on Cheney's shirt
09:46 <GodTodd> they don't own any power companies afaik
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> er, they might have also been the ones that lost all that money in the early days of Iraq, maybe that was the scandal they were in trouble for
09:47 <GodTodd> yeah...it was the iraq thing that was forced on them
09:47 <GodTodd> they didn't want the contract
09:47 <GodTodd> heh
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09:48 <GodTodd> but they had all the shit do do it "right now"
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> all's I know for sure is that halliburton took a fall for Cheney. Who the blame belongs to, I don't know, I just think they were supposed to take the fall for Cheney
09:48 <GodTodd> yeah
09:48 <GodTodd> it was the whole "cheney has his thumb on the oil companies" bullshit
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> and while Texas companies are capable of being evil just like anyone else, there's a pervading business attitude in texas that always makes me question when a Texas company is involved in something like that
09:49 <GodTodd> yeah...but look at enron ;)
09:49 <GodTodd> heh
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> enron was an accounting scandal, it wasn't an institutional thing...
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> see, you gotta draw the line. Is the whole company evil, or is it just a few bad apples?
09:50 <GodTodd> true
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> in my experience, all of Microsoft is evil.
09:50 <GodTodd> personally, halliburton is ok by me...they pay my bills :)
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, you tend to favor the company that feeds you :)
09:50 <GodTodd> exactly :)
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why do they pay your bills? 0o
09:51 <GodTodd> my wife works for them
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
09:52 <luke-jr_> btw
09:52 <luke-jr_> did I mention that I'm building an automatic binary producer thing
09:53 <luke-jr_> cross-compiling to OSX,Win & major Linux OS?
09:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sounds cool
09:55 * wrtlprnft goes annoy spidey
09:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey: spidey:
09:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you know you can edit the CSS directly
09:57 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
09:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/MediaWiki:Armagetronad.css
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10:14 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't put it in svn, though
10:22 <DrJoeTron> gomes is going to remove the password for the Teamspeak server
10:23 <DrJoeTron> we're going to see how that pans out
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> you're gonna have Armabreathatron :)
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10:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah, i know, but does it have to be there ;)
10:38 <wrtlprnft> umm, did anyone ever try banning by name<question mark> it never worked for me
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I tried once and it didn't work, I could be talking out my ass there on the wiki
10:39 <wrtlprnft> worked for me
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> could have been a problem with recognizing names, like the guy might have used a zero instead of an O, but I typed an O, no telling.
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> it was awhile back, before 0.2.8.0 came out
10:43 <wrtlprnft> at least part names don't work
10:43 <wrtlprnft> never tried full names
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: has there been much spam on the wiki lately? I haven't seen anything in the logs that looks like either spam or spam cleanup.
10:46 <wrtlprnft> no, there hasn't
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm not just imagining things? I'd like to turn on anonymous editing again if possible. :)
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> It's looking like that bad behavior program really works, anonymous posting has been enabled on my website for a bit and there's been no spam.
10:51 <wrtlprnft> try it...
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10:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, turned back on anonymous editing
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> let me know if we get spammed again :)
10:58 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Game_Variations
10:58 <wrtlprnft> better
10:58 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
10:59 <wrtlprnft> umm, any reason the labyrinth script isn't published
10:59 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> it is, but it's not terribly easy to find
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's not the response you were shooting for :)
11:01 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:01 * Lucifer_arma points to /private/Lucifer
11:02 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's also on the forums in a few places
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'll zip it up and stick it on the wiki
11:03 <wrtlprnft> why not just link to SVN
11:03 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
11:03 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/private/Lucifer/aamaprotator/scripts/mazer.py?view=markup
11:04 <wrtlprnft> that'll always use the most current revision
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> only it doesn't get revised much, no reason it can't be in a zip file :)
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> I should probably use that code hacks page to release a bunch of stuff I've got sitting around
11:16 <wrtlprnft> the way you're setting up the Code Hacks page you're forcing me to post my race script too :s
11:16 <wrtlprnft> smells like work
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, well, I'm pretty tired of there being all these code hacks laying around that nobody's ever bothered to collect in one place :)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm as guilty as the next guy...
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll put the sty stuff on the code hacks page
11:24 <wrtlprnft> grr!
11:24 <wrtlprnft> you can't upload .gz files onto the wiki!
11:25 <wrtlprnft> *<question mark>!
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> .zip works, though
11:26 <wrtlprnft> screw .zio, i refuse
11:26 <wrtlprnft> *.zip
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, enabled gz, tgz, and bz2
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it'll take .tar.gz though, I seem to remember reading that somewhere
11:31 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about .tar.gz
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, it'll take .gz, so it should take .tar.gz
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, should take .gz by itself :)
11:34 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't take .php.gz
11:34 <wrtlprnft> well, uploaded it as Racer-php.gz
11:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, you starting to abuse lists for discussions now, too<question mark>
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> ? you're uhhhh supposed to use lists for discussions? Is there any reason you can't type ? ?
11:56 <wrtlprnft> umm, you're not supposed to use lists
11:57 <wrtlprnft> and no, i can't type <question mark>, I'd probably need to restart X11
11:57 <wrtlprnft> and i'm too lazy to use copy and paste all the time
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> what are you supposed to use to thread the discussion then?
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12:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: headings<question mark>
12:33 <wrtlprnft> == Topic 1 ==
12:33 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't thread the discussion
12:33 <wrtlprnft> Initial post
12:33 <wrtlprnft> :reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> ::reply to the reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> :reply to the 1st reply
12:34 <wrtlprnft> == Topic 2 ==
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't : create a list of some sort too?
12:34 <wrtlprnft> no
12:34 <wrtlprnft> ; combined with : does
12:35 <wrtlprnft> or, actually it does. That sucks.
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> <dl><dd>I think separating the page into two sections is better. I did that and added links where to find the hack needed. —<a href="/index.php/User:Wrtlprnft" title="User:Wrtlprnft">Wrtlprnft</a> 03:58, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> </dd></dl
12:35 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i see.
12:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought it would create nested divs
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> thus far the convention has been to use * to do it, ** is a reply to a reply, etc.
12:37 <wrtlprnft> it isn't the convention on wikipedia
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't noticed a convention on wikipedia. :) I've noticed a lot of discussions that are very hard to follow.
12:38 <wrtlprnft> it all generates stupid markup :(
12:38 <wrtlprnft> ** creates:
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose we probably never documented our convention, but basically it used to be to use horizontal lines, then Jonathan came along and said "use lists so it threads"
12:38 <wrtlprnft> <ul><li>test
12:38 <wrtlprnft> <ul><li>test
12:38 <wrtlprnft> </li></ul>
12:38 <wrtlprnft> </li></ul>
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> The problem with lists is that on the edit page, you can't separate with blank lines between replies, which makes the edit page hard to read
12:39 <wrtlprnft> it would be nice if it could generate something like
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> embedded divs would be best, but I actually think threaded comments (ala drupal) would be ideal :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> too bad the liquid wiki engine is broken right now. :/ I'd be in a hurry to move the wiki into drupal if it actually worked. I was even going to write an importer, heh.
12:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you're right, lists make the most sense if they're used continuously
12:41 <wrtlprnft> but the first post should be a list item too, then
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I think the convention so far has been not to make it one, and then the first set of replies can be spaced, which lets you space out the first level of threading anyway
12:42 <[dlh]> Isn't there a SoC project to add a better comment system to the wikipedia engine?
12:42 <[dlh]> (Google Summer of Code)
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> with the margin changes I just made, we have to think about too much indentation now, too. :(
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: I don't know.
12:43 * wrtlprnft doesn't use the armagetronad skin, it's too broken for me
12:43 <Lucifer_arma> our wiki is badly out of date, though, heh.
12:44 <Lucifer_arma> the armagetronad skin might disappear soon. Lack was going to do some work on the websites, don't know if he's started yet.
12:44 <[dlh]> Yea, there is: http://code.google.com/soc/wikim/about.html
12:45 <wrtlprnft> looking at the HTML, there's some things i totally dislike about it :s
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> about what?
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> mediawiki or something else?
12:45 <wrtlprnft> <h1 class="firstHeading">Recent changes</h1>
12:45 <wrtlprnft> <div id="bodyContent">
12:45 <wrtlprnft> <h3 id="siteSub">From Armagetron Advanced Wiki</h3>
12:45 <wrtlprnft> why is the subtitle a <h3><question mark>!
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah. I think that's in the skin itself, though.
12:46 <wrtlprnft> it's in monobook
12:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. armagetronad is just a rip of monobook with some css changes
12:46 <wrtlprnft> and it's there on wikipedia, too. So they didn't fix it
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> I want to spinoff the tournament hub to its own website, but I'm concerned we'll lose important features that are inherent in wiki editing
12:53 <wrtlprnft> why<question mark>
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, the assumption is that there's a program that can be run that will take care of a lot of the grunt work of running a tournament, send notifications when the tournament gets near, handle brackets and stuff, that sort of thing
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> send announcements when someone wins, etc
13:01 <wrtlprnft> can't you just make a wiki page and have everyone subscribe to it as rss or email
13:01 <wrtlprnft> <question mark>
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> um, sure.
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> see, the wiki is like having a bunch of blank pieces of paper, and people are organizing tournaments using it like that, and doing a FIne Job
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, people might resist moving the tournament hub off the wiki
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> er, how do I force firefox to update a cached dns lookup?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> time for a new isp
13:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: dunno about firefox, but the only way with opera is to restart it
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> I can't believe this tournament program requires phpbb
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17:21 <madmax|pt> hello
17:27 <wrtlprnft> hi
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18:23 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:24 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr_: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86601#86601
18:25 <wrtlprnft> who got to name that setting, TEAM_CENTER_BOSS<question mark>
18:25 <wrtlprnft> it neither matches a search for "leader" nor "shuffle" :s
18:25 <wrtlprnft> so i didn't find it
18:26 <Your_mom_arma> Yeah its obscure
18:27 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:28 <Your_mom_arma> threading?
18:28 <wrtlprnft> original post
18:28 <wrtlprnft> :reply to original post
18:28 <wrtlprnft> ::reply to reply
18:28 <wrtlprnft> :another reply to the original post
18:28 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
18:28 <wrtlprnft> or with * or anything
18:29 <Your_mom_arma> it gets too cluttered imo
18:29 <wrtlprnft> that's because people tend not to understand it
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18:29 <Your_mom_arma> hey
18:29 <groundpig> hi
18:29 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> it ends up going on endlessly
18:30 <groundpig> everyone gets really mad when i turn on shooting, its funny
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> so : :: ::: :::: ::::: and so on
18:30 <groundpig> take out respawn then?
18:30 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
18:31 <Your_mom_arma> oh, taliking to wrtl about wiki formating
18:31 <groundpig> :B)
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: yeah, i know. And Lucifer_arma told me that the wiki makes a definition list out of that, which is incredibly stupid
18:34 <wrtlprnft> so **** is better, as it's a real list
18:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
18:44 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: did you want me to just make a rectangle map?
18:45 <Your_mom_arma> We could just smooth out the styball map
18:50 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations#Formating
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18:54 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: whats with the huge space after the first bulletpoint?
18:54 <wrtlprnft> huge space?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> it's a post with three paragraphs that belong together
18:56 <Your_mom_arma> the space is about 12 characters long oms
18:57 <Your_mom_arma> resizing the window makes it more reasonable
18:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:57 <Your_mom_arma> but still
18:57 <wrtlprnft> horizontal or vertical?
18:57 <wrtlprnft> what browser?
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> what browser?
18:58 <wrtlprnft> my question mark key doesn't work, hence the ?
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> is that on purpose?
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> oh
18:58 <Your_mom_arma> horizontal space, firefox
18:59 <wrtlprnft> that also means both backslash/\ and sharp s/$szlig; don't work either
18:59 <wrtlprnft> oh, i think that's Lucifer_arma's modifications
18:59 <wrtlprnft> i don't really know what he was intending with that
18:59 <wrtlprnft> I'm using the monobook skin
19:00 <Your_mom_arma> it doesnt happen after the second bulletpoint which is odd
19:00 <Your_mom_arma> changing skins fixed it
19:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
19:01 <wrtlprnft> it's because i'm using paragraphs probably
19:02 <wrtlprnft> g2g supper
19:06 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Game_Variations
19:06 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: rectangle map would be fine
19:10 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: how did you do this? http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:11 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: if you want something different feel free to ask, i just didnt come up with any ideas
19:12 <groundpig> really anything is fine, rectangle like sty without the goals would be perfect, as long as it links to a new DTD
19:12 <Your_mom_arma> okay
19:13 <groundpig> if it has that, i can always tweak the flag / base locations afterwards
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19:25 <Your_mom_arma> did you need me to move the spawn points up?
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> also im not putting in zones since i kind of like the way you have it already
19:26 <Your_mom_arma> dtd's done
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19:30 * DrJoeTron yawn
19:31 <DrJoeTron> man i hate taking the cta to chicago
19:33 <DrJoeTron> alone at least
19:34 <Your_mom_arma> California Teachers Association
19:34 <Your_mom_arma> Computer Technology Associates
19:35 <Your_mom_arma> or Chicago Transit Authority
19:35 <spidey> lol
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19:37 <JoeTron> fucking ram
19:38 <JoeTron> i need to change it really really soon
19:39 <Your_mom_arma> did you run memtest?
19:40 <JoeTron> dont need to
19:41 <JoeTron> i know its bad the day i put it in
19:41 <spidey> shit
19:41 <JoeTron> its a completely different speed
19:41 <spidey> my soundcard go boom
19:41 <spidey> :(
19:41 <JoeTron> 512mb in my pc is PC3200
19:42 <JoeTron> the other 512 is PC2700 i beleive
19:42 <JoeTron> might be lower
19:42 <Your_mom_arma> i remember when they where giving away ram in cerial boxes when ddr came out
19:42 <JoeTron> haha yeah
19:42 <Your_mom_arma> whens that going to happen with ddr2
19:42 <JoeTron> they are skipping it
19:42 <spidey> o.o
19:42 <JoeTron> ddr3 is soon
19:42 <JoeTron> ddr2 is already been out
19:43 <JoeTron> very few things use it
19:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah but noone uses it
19:43 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
19:43 <JoeTron> ddr3 is comming out
19:43 <JoeTron> so
19:43 <spidey> joe
19:43 <spidey> !
19:44 <spidey> find me a soundcard o.O
19:44 <Your_mom_arma> i probobly have one in the garage you can have but its definatly not pci
19:44 <spidey> heh
19:45 <JoeTron> i have one too
19:45 <JoeTron> but i dont think it works
19:45 <spidey> nah, joe finds me good stuff cheap :p
19:45 <JoeTron> its one of those friggin 1999 creative sound blasters
19:45 <spidey> now get to work!
19:45 <spidey> well
19:45 <JoeTron> www.newegg.com
19:45 <spidey> soundblaster is the one i just fryed
19:45 <spidey> lol
19:45 <spidey> but
19:45 <spidey> unmute the mic and it works fine
19:45 <spidey> only the audio out
19:45 <spidey> :(
19:45 <Your_mom_arma> doesnt your mb have one?
19:46 <spidey> yes
19:46 <spidey> it doesn't work either
19:46 <Your_mom_arma> how could you have broken it?
19:46 <spidey> maybe because i got my stereo wired to it
19:46 <spidey> surround sound baby :D
19:46 <Your_mom_arma> well why do you need a new soundcard if you have surround sound?
19:47 <spidey> .....
19:47 <spidey> stop trying to confuse me :p
19:47 <Your_mom_arma> ?
19:47 <spidey> ok
19:47 <spidey> stereo = wired to soundcard
19:47 <spidey> soundcard = blown
19:47 <spidey> so
19:47 <spidey> no surround sound anymore
19:47 <JoeTron> you dont need a sound card for surround sound
19:48 <spidey> well i don't see how the soundcard was affected because
19:48 <spidey> 1
19:48 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: with kolourpaint, gvim and a lot of patience
19:48 <spidey> it goes
19:48 <wrtlprnft> but i did use symmetry properites, of course
19:48 <spidey> soundcard - speakers - adapter i made - stereo
19:48 <spidey> so if anything the speakers should have shorted
19:48 <Your_mom_arma> wrtl your my hero if you actually did at least most of that by hand
19:48 <wrtlprnft> so effectively i only did a quarter and mirrored the rest using gvim's search and replace feature
19:49 <wrtlprnft> and for the circles i used nemo's generator
19:49 <wrtlprnft> but the rest i did by hand :P
19:49 <Your_mom_arma> still counts as alot of work in my book
19:49 <wrtlprnft> too bad you can't really use it
19:49 <Your_mom_arma> spidey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829180001
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: just make areana size really huge
19:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: that's not the problem
19:50 <wrtlprnft> did you actually try it?
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> no
19:50 <wrtlprnft> well, you get like 2FPS
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
19:50 <Your_mom_arma> im not suprised
19:51 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm hoping for some engine optimisations
19:51 <Your_mom_arma> #help last
19:51 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
19:51 <wrtlprnft> currently rim walls are split up into tons of small ones
19:51 <Your_mom_arma> triangles?
19:52 <Your_mom_arma> the game needs alot of optimization imo
19:52 <wrtlprnft> but more than two per wall
19:52 <JoeTron> i hear that
19:52 <JoeTron> thats this game ultimate problem
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19:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: fix it :P
19:53 <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www.
19:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with www
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:53:08] <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www.
19:53 <DrJoeTron> gimmie a stick of gum, il stick it somewhere
19:53 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with www. --nolimit
19:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:53:08] <Your_mom_arma> #last from Your_mom_arma with www., [19:49:49] <Your_mom_arma> spidey: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829180001, [04:09:11] <Your_mom_arma> http://www.darwinia.co.uk/about/images/engineer.gif, and [21:03:14] <Your_mom_arma> http://www.playgenesis.com/index2.htm
19:53 <DrJoeTron> and il bring out more duct tape
19:53 <Your_mom_arma> heh
19:54 <DrJoeTron> and rusty strings
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> didnt get the link to the map
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> wheres mcguyver
19:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, you mean my map
19:54 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:54 <Your_mom_arma> he'll reprogram the game by scrubbing toothpaste on your hardrive
19:55 <spidey> is it possible for just the line out to fry and the rest work? o.o
19:55 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't contain www ;)
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Your_mom_arma --with resource-
19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:10:11] <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: how did you do this? http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/wrtlprnft/tronsector-0.0.1.aamap.xml
19:55 <Your_mom_arma> aw
19:55 <Your_mom_arma> thanks wrtl
19:55 <wrtlprnft> yw
19:59 <Your_mom_arma> heh i never thought arma might need a load screen till i loaded that map
20:00 <Your_mom_arma> managed to get 5fps at one point
20:00 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:01 <spidey> man
20:02 <spidey> i swear
20:02 <spidey> every wire in this house has electrical type
20:02 <spidey> tape*
20:02 <spidey> fucking dogs chewed on my speaker wire
20:02 <spidey> !!!
20:03 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: for wiki formatting, first of all the css needs to be fixed. It sucks right now.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> #bodyContent ul, ol, dl, pre {
20:05 <wrtlprnft> margin-left: 10%;
20:05 <wrtlprnft> margin-right: 10%;
20:05 <wrtlprnft> }
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that's the responsible rule in the css
20:05 <wrtlprnft> why is it in % anyways!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> *?!
20:08 <spidey> ....
20:09 <Your_mom_arma> if i was going to post my hud in the forums where would it go?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=55 ?
20:10 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: did you ever figure out why the other huds i had made crashed the game?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> was that the bug that didn't happen to me?
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> likely
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> i can load some of the huds i made because they crash local games
20:11 <Your_mom_arma> er cant
20:12 * wrtlprnft was trying to fix the CSS, but as i have no clue what Lucifer_arma wanted to do in the first place i'm giving up
20:12 <wrtlprnft> percentage margins suck in this case anyways
20:13 <wrtlprnft> if you nest two lists they'll both have different calculated margings
20:13 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: did you just want to have some spacing between the dark area? If so there should be an easier way
20:14 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: can you give me a link to these again
20:14 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:15 <luke-jr_> percents are for scaling and dividing =p
20:18 <Your_mom_arma> hud i just posted http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86681#86681
20:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=freeciv <-- i can't find the footnote corresponding to **
20:19 <wrtlprnft> they footnotes should be linked anyways
20:19 <Your_mom_arma> hud that was broken http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=63551#63551
20:19 <wrtlprnft> or directly use the tite attribute
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20:20 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you have an account on the repository, right? Then upload it ;)
20:20 <Your_mom_arma> does the auto upload work?
20:21 <wrtlprnft> should
20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/add-resource/
20:21 <wrtlprnft> then upload the screenshot and add it to the wiki
20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Cockpits_list
20:22 <wrtlprnft> that would be the 9th
20:22 <Your_mom_arma> does it look nice?
20:22 <wrtlprnft> sure :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> though i'll keep using mine, if that's what you're asking
20:23 <wrtlprnft> they're just, like, totally opposite
20:23 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
20:23 <Your_mom_arma> well i wanted the classic look and the map
20:24 <Your_mom_arma> so i did alot of tweaking on the classic map you made and added the map
20:24 <Your_mom_arma> er hud not map
20:26 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Your_mom/classic_m-0.0.2.aacockpit.xml: Resource by Your_mom
20:26 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:26 <spidey> omg
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20:26 <spidey> micro found the axis command
20:26 <spidey> :/
20:26 <DrJoeTron> downgraded :/
20:27 <spidey> mbc now = 6 axis
20:27 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I think it was supposed to be ***
20:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah i know
20:27 <wrtlprnft> read the post
20:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: o.o
20:28 <wrtlprnft> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `../../src/tron/tFunction.cpp', needed by `libtron_a-tFunction.o'. Stop.
20:28 <wrtlprnft> wtf
20:28 <wrtlprnft> what does a file named __t__Function.cpp do in src/tron?!
20:28 <luke-jr_> ask joda
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20:29 <wrtlprnft> Makefile.am is screwed :P
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20:30 <spidey> o.o
20:30 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if that 512 stick did anything
20:30 <DrJoeTron> because its running almost the same
20:30 <spidey> that's really gonna suck
20:30 <spidey> micro wants to run a hexagon map
20:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:30 <spidey> -_-
20:30 <wrtlprnft> i was about to upload one to the repository for him
20:30 <spidey> !
20:31 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: you're using Windows
20:31 <spidey> i'll hate you
20:31 <spidey> forever
20:31 <spidey> ~
20:31 <wrtlprnft> that is, wasn't there one before? luke-jr_?
20:31 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ and?
20:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: port HexaTRON? :)
20:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, will do
20:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you know, IRC isn't HTML
20:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:31 <DrJoeTron> what does that have to do about anything
20:31 <wrtlprnft> you know, my question mark key is broken
20:31 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: In Windows, unused RAM is useless
20:31 <spidey> luke-jr_, lies
20:32 <DrJoeTron> not true at all
20:32 <Your_mom_arma> cockpit upload is broken?
20:32 <spidey> luke-jr_, proves how much you know about windows :p
20:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
20:32 <wrtlprnft> and i'm too lazy to find a question mark for copying and pasting all the time
20:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: not lies
20:32 <spidey> yes lies
20:32 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: y?
20:32 <luke-jr_> ??????????????????????????
20:32 <luke-jr_> there, plenty
20:32 <wrtlprnft> ??????????????????????????
20:32 <luke-jr_> =p
20:32 <spidey> windows even has a swap
20:32 <Your_mom_arma> it uploaded to my root folder and not Your_mom/cockpit/...
20:32 <spidey> it's just called something else
20:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: so?
20:32 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_: if you're monitor breaks, it because of windows
20:33 <luke-jr_> Windows does *nothing* with unused RAM
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: well, you have "cockpit" in your category attribute
20:33 <luke-jr_> it just sits there
20:33 <spidey> luke-jr_, ok windows xp uses 64mb ram to run
20:33 <spidey> you put xp on a box with 64mb ram
20:33 <DrJoeTron> 128 actually
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: and it puts the cockpit file to the right path
20:33 <spidey> then one with 512
20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: I said UNUSED, not USED
20:33 <spidey> tell me if there's a difference
20:33 <spidey> still
20:33 <spidey> unused gets used
20:33 <luke-jr_> if DrJoeTron is used to using 512, and he adds 512 more, chances are he isn't usign 1 GB yet
20:33 <spidey> what's the difference
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it can't even know the directory structure on your local machine, all it gets is the filename, and it ignores that.
20:33 <luke-jr_> spidey: unused only gets used if you use it
20:34 <spidey> luke-jr_, so??? better performance
20:34 <wrtlprnft> who even CALLED it __t__Function?!
20:34 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: RTFM on resource attributes
20:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: not until you use it
20:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: joda
20:34 <DrJoeTron> im running stress tests now
20:34 <wrtlprnft> it uses stuff from engine
20:34 <spidey> DrJoeTron, no the minimal requirements for xp is 84mb
20:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: no
20:34 <wrtlprnft> he just put it into a separate file
20:34 <spidey> i know because i run it on a box with 133mhz and 64mb ram
20:34 <spidey> 'er
20:35 <spidey> 300mhz
20:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: shrug, he made first mention of it that I remember
20:35 <spidey> or someshit
20:35 <DrJoeTron> to function some what properly it need 128mb
20:35 <wrtlprnft> well, what should i do?
20:35 <spidey> no
20:35 <luke-jr_> spidey: as opposed to Linux, which takes unused RAM and caches stuff in it
20:35 <spidey> it's jsut a bit slower
20:35 <wrtlprnft> move it to engine and run a global search and replace?
20:35 <spidey> it runs fine on 64mb
20:36 <DrJoeTron> i need to open more shit
20:36 <spidey> lol
20:36 <wrtlprnft> just keep it where it is but do an ugly hack in the makefile that effectly makes it a part of tron?
20:36 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ....
20:36 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
20:36 <spidey> what's with ? all the time
20:36 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: tFunction should be obsolete when vValue is done anyhow
20:36 <wrtlprnft> 20:31 <wrtlprnft> you know, my question mark key is broken
20:37 <spidey> ....
20:37 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, the trunk doesn't compile right now
20:37 <wrtlprnft> .....................................................................
20:37 <wrtlprnft> my . key isn
20:37 <wrtlprnft> 't broken, see?
20:37 <spidey> how the fuck does a key have to do with ? input
20:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ...
20:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: ROFL
20:38 <wrtlprnft> look it up on an ASCII chart
20:38 <spidey> i'd rather not
20:38 <wrtlprnft> i just noticed i'd be in real trouble if i broke the & key
20:38 <luke-jr_> 'c'
20:38 <luke-jr_> 63 = 'c'
20:38 <wrtlprnft> err
20:38 <wrtlprnft> that would be hex
20:38 <luke-jr_> unless you use lame decimal, then it's '?' =p
20:39 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i'm using the HTML code for decimals
20:39 <wrtlprnft> c or something like that would be c
20:43 <Your_mom_arma> i like how i cant make a simple mistake without luke jr spouting off RTFM
20:44 <spidey> haha
20:44 <wrtlprnft> well, what'd you expect, Your_mom_arma?
20:44 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld expect at least a little patience
20:44 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: you were the one complaining about it =p
20:45 <Your_mom_arma> yeah and i made a mistake
20:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i meant, "what do you expect from __luke-jr___/#63;"
20:45 <DrJoeTron> no mistakes!
20:45 <DrJoeTron> QUITTA BOY!
20:45 <Your_mom_arma> i forgot slight mistakes are punishable by luke-jr_ lectures
20:46 <spidey> well
20:46 <spidey> when luke-jr_ starts i minimize
20:46 <spidey> it works wonders
20:47 <GodTodd> i heard somewhere that the need to always be right and to correct others is a sign of insecurity....
20:47 <GodTodd> just a general statement ;)
20:47 <spidey> lol
20:47 <DrJoeTron> hmm
20:47 <Your_mom_arma> also (14:32:55) Your_mom_arma: cockpit upload is broken? hardly qualifies as complaining
20:47 <DrJoeTron> now that i have this stick of 512
20:47 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: "RTFM" is hardly a lecture
20:47 <DrJoeTron> im gonna put it in the replacement lobster cage
20:48 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: ok, it's an accusation =p
20:48 <luke-jr_> actually, that part really didn't apply
20:48 <luke-jr_> because you didn't mention a problem
20:49 <luke-jr_> so if it was left at that, my response would have been 'not AFAIK'
20:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, now i just did the most ugly fix ever
20:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sure?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> as the insertion/extraction operators use nMessage and it isn't available in src/tools I just made these functions templates
20:51 <luke-jr_> ...
20:51 <[dlh]> why not just move it back to tron?
20:52 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Your_mom/cockpit/classic_m-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml: Resource by Your_mom
20:52 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: because I don't feel like running global search and replaces
20:52 <wrtlprnft> and because there's no reason a tFunction can't be generated in src/tools
20:52 <Your_mom_arma> can someone delete .2 ?
20:52 <wrtlprnft> why?
20:53 <Your_mom_arma> its useless
20:53 * wrtlprnft waits for luke-jr_ to tell Your_mom_arma to RTFM and that resources should never get deleted
20:53 <wrtlprnft> but sure, just to annoy luke-jr_
20:53 <Your_mom_arma> thanks :-)
20:53 <[dlh]> Luke has deleted resources before
20:53 <DrJoeTron> hey guys
20:53 <DrJoeTron> suggestion
20:53 * luke-jr_ revokes wrtlprnft 's access
20:53 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: nope
20:53 <DrJoeTron> suggestion
20:53 <[dlh]> hexatron
20:54 <[dlh]> yes?
20:54 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: what about it?
20:54 <Your_mom_arma> yeah?
20:54 <[dlh]> you delted it from the repo
20:54 <luke-jr_> nope, I hid it
20:54 <[dlh]> deleted*
20:54 <wrtlprnft> well, you deleted some of my maps as i promised to instantly re- upload them
20:54 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: it's still there
20:54 <DrJoeTron> hmm
20:54 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: see the required promise =p
20:54 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: it just doesn't work anymore, so luke-jr_ hid it
20:54 <DrJoeTron> how big of an hdd should i put for a the LC
20:54 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't appear in the directory listing, but is still there
20:54 <Your_mom_arma> well i can learn from my mistakes and just never use the repository again
20:55 <DrJoeTron> would 10 gig be ok
20:55 <DrJoeTron> its gonna be running xp pro
20:55 <luke-jr_> tho I'll probably un-hide it soon and add something so the UI hides it only
20:55 <[dlh]> alright, sounds good
20:55 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: there's a good reason why deletions never occur
20:55 <Your_mom_arma> ive done a xp install on less thena 5 gb hard drive
20:55 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: and never should on any repository
20:55 <DrJoeTron> yeah but what about for a server
20:56 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: Windows is not a server
20:56 <luke-jr_> certainly not XP
20:56 <Your_mom_arma> i dont see where any problems would occer
20:56 <Your_mom_arma> whats up luke?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> well, in this case there won't
20:57 <luke-jr_> won't?
20:57 <wrtlprnft> it hasn't been used by anyone but Your_mom_arma
20:57 <DrJoeTron> did windows rape your wife or something last night?
20:57 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how do you know? ;)
20:57 <[dlh]> I downloaded it and am using it :S
20:57 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: not even M$ would call XP a server
20:57 <Your_mom_arma> i changed the catagory tag thats it
20:57 <luke-jr_> see
20:57 <DrJoeTron> a server is a computer system that provides services to other computing systems
20:57 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: we can hide it, so it's unlisted
20:57 <DrJoeTron> so its a fucking server
20:57 <wrtlprnft> gotta agree with luke-jr_ on this one: WinXP aint a server OS
20:58 <[dlh]> M$ == instant troll, though
20:58 <DrJoeTron> not asking for OS
20:58 <DrJoeTron> im asking for HDD
20:58 <DrJoeTron> i love trolls
20:58 <luke-jr_> you're asking for a HDD for a non-existent setup =p
20:58 <DrJoeTron> then dont respond if you're not going to help
20:59 <DrJoeTron> because you're wasting my time
20:59 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: at least hack it so it's a server OS =p
20:59 * luke-jr_ made a hybrid XP+Win2k Advanced Server once
20:59 <Your_mom_arma> luke feel free to just hide it then, im not useing the resource repository again
20:59 <DrJoeTron> spidey
20:59 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: why not?
20:59 <DrJoeTron> suggestions on a hard drive size
20:59 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: isn't that kind of your job in the AA team? to make resources?
21:00 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: 250 GB is nice
21:00 <DrJoeTron> for an armagetron server?
21:00 <luke-jr_> nah, then you can get away with 50 MB
21:00 <luke-jr_> maybe
21:00 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
21:00 <luke-jr_> 1 GB would be plenty
21:00 <DrJoeTron> 10 gig it is then
21:01 <DrJoeTron> alright disconnecting for a few hours to build this fucker
21:02 <luke-jr_> ...
21:02 <DrJoeTron> wait, i need to dl an os
21:02 <luke-jr_> rofl
21:02 <DrJoeTron> damn it
21:02 <luke-jr_> a Gentoo LiveCD is just about 50 MB IIRC
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Transmitting file data ...svn: Commit failed (details follow):
21:02 <wrtlprnft> svn: MERGE request failed on '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src'
21:02 <wrtlprnft> svn: MERGE of '/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src': 500 Internal Server Error (https://svn.sourceforge.net)
21:02 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:02 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6118 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (Makefile.am tools/tFunction.cpp tools/tFunction.h): Compiles under linux again, though with a relatively ugly hack. see src/tools/tFunction.h for details.
21:02 <wrtlprnft> can't SF "just work"
21:03 <wrtlprnft> so, what happened now
21:03 <wrtlprnft> it showed a "commit failed" message for me
21:03 <wrtlprnft> but CIA thinks it worked
21:03 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: hello, need an SVN guru
21:03 <luke-jr_> if CIA gets it, I think it worked
21:04 <[dlh]> Yes, it worked
21:04 <Your_mom_arma> luke i guess you can just kick me off the development team if you cant respect my decision
21:04 <wrtlprnft> [dlh] == nemo?
21:04 <[dlh]> yea
21:04 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: he can't
21:04 <Your_mom_arma> if he asks i'll resign
21:04 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: only guru3, Lucifer_arma and z-man can
21:04 <wrtlprnft> if i ask you don't you don't? :)
21:05 <wrtlprnft> wtf
21:05 <Your_mom_arma> nice ?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> why did that just work
21:05 <wrtlprnft> ah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> if i press it like 5 times it works?!
21:05 <wrtlprnft> just weird
21:08 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: just tried your file, doesn't crash
21:08 <wrtlprnft> but it looks good
21:09 * wrtlprnft wonders if it's a bad time to ask Your_mom_arma to upload that file to the _offial_ resource repository
21:09 <wrtlprnft> *official
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21:11 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes
21:11 <[dlh]> Weird, there is a unicode character called “Question Exclamation Mark” — ⁈‽
21:11 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft
21:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:12 <wrtlprnft> there's one that has a ? and ! over each other too
21:12 <[dlh]> Yeah, I just did one of those ><
21:12 <wrtlprnft> would it be a bad idea to use that instead⁈
21:12 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i only saw the separate one, the other one isn't in dejavu sans mono
21:13 <wrtlprnft> so i only saw a box
21:13 <deja_vu> *.*
21:13 <wrtlprnft> well, sorry
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it's the name of the font
21:17 <Vanhayes> hmm I really dont think that making there server be able to hold 20 people was a good idea for wpn
21:17 <luke-jr_> use Console B
21:17 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: is it full?
21:18 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
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21:18 <spidey> joe?
21:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah
21:20 <DrJoeTron> fuck i need screws
21:20 <DrJoeTron> i just had a whole bag of pc screws
21:21 <Vanhayes> no but I get huge lag when it is 16 max wiht 20 it isnt going to be good at all
21:21 <spidey> mm
21:21 <spidey> my server could support 20+ ;D
21:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the server list is kinda boring right now...
21:22 <Vanhayes> well since it is in north america id be fine with that
21:22 <Vanhayes> ctf sty
21:22 <wrtlprnft> CTWF is full, i played ctf sty for a while and i think it's kinda boring, and then there's a couple of wannabe bugfarm servers
21:23 <Vanhayes> hmm ctf sty has changed some since yesturday
21:24 <Your_mom_arma> #google interobang
21:24 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.63 seconds: 20 Below in MaineToday.com | Rock-Off 21: <http://20below.mainetoday.com/show/rockoff/interobanginterview.shtml>; INTEROBANG : Hi There: <http://www.freewebs.com/interobang/>; INTEROBANG : Hi There: <http://www.freewebs.com/interobang/info.htm>; CBS | Late Show with David Letterman : Wahoo Gazette: (2 more messages)
21:24 <Vanhayes> alot more like fortress
21:24 <Your_mom_arma> think i spelled that wrong
21:25 <Your_mom_arma> its a combo of a questionmark and an explination point
21:25 <Your_mom_arma> #google wiki interrobang
21:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.45 seconds: Interrobang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang>; Image: Interrobang .svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Interrobang.svg>; interrobang - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/interrobang>; Interrobang - Wiki Gonzalez: <http://digamma.net/btfwiki/Interrobang>; Interrobang - (2 more messages)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> I think i should bind a few of those chars to keys using xmodmap if possible
21:29 <wrtlprnft> a key for … or – or that interrothingy would be helpful :)
21:30 <luke-jr_> if two OS use the same CHOST, their binaries should be compatible, right? o.O
21:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, a windows binary won't run on a linux machine
21:31 <wrtlprnft> unless you use some extra tools like wine
21:31 <luke-jr_> CHOST
21:32 <luke-jr_> a Windows CHOST never matches a Linux CHOST
21:32 <luke-jr_> nor does a Linux CHOST match a BSD CHOST AFAIK
21:32 <wrtlprnft> there's things like -march
21:33 <luke-jr_> true...
21:33 <luke-jr_> I was thinking along the lines of "do I need a seperate compiler" =p
21:33 <wrtlprnft> if you compile something with -march=pentium-m and want to run it on a machine that's pre- pentium4 it won't work
21:33 <wrtlprnft> use -mcpu then
21:33 <wrtlprnft> at least that's what the gentoo doc sais
21:35 <luke-jr_> yeah, but the same compiler can use -march=pentium-m and not-that
21:37 <wrtlprnft> grr. I hate gentoo sometimes
21:38 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't xev directly come with X11⁈
21:38 <wrtlprnft> annoying to have to emerge it when you need it
21:45 <luke-jr_> um
21:45 <luke-jr_> can we disable anonymous changes to the wiki again?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:46 <luke-jr_> it's too easy to change stuff w/o logging in
21:46 <wrtlprnft> so?
21:46 <wrtlprnft> should be able
21:47 <luke-jr_> so half my commits are anonymous instead of logged in if it stays this way
21:47 <wrtlprnft> there have been many times where i'd have edited a wiki if there wasn't the need to create an account
21:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: then log in.
21:47 <luke-jr_> so put a warning in there that you're anonymous
21:47 <luke-jr_> it's non-obvious
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> use some user CSS to make the user info at the top right corner red, bold, and 5em tall?
21:51 <luke-jr_> that obviously won't work if I'm not logged in =p
21:52 <wrtlprnft> it does
21:52 <wrtlprnft> it'll display "Create an account or log in"
21:52 <DrJoeTron> bah!
21:52 <luke-jr_> note the "user css"
21:52 <DrJoeTron> looks like that ram was really bad
21:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: user css is browser- side
21:53 <wrtlprnft> –
21:53 <wrtlprnft> —
21:53 <[dlh]> …
21:53 <luke-jr_> o
21:53 <luke-jr_> lame =p
21:58 <spidey> lamer
22:09 <wrtlprnft> oh, great. These keysyms are hardcoded!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> so there seems to be no way to make a key for … without hacking X11 and possibly other stuff too
22:11 <luke-jr_> lol
22:12 <wrtlprnft> sucks :(
22:13 <wrtlprnft> there's aliases for all sorts of crappy keys, greek letters, chinese and whatnot, but none for some simple, yet useful chars
22:13 <luke-jr_> lol
22:14 <wrtlprnft> can't xmodmap just accept any utf8 char?!
22:14 <wrtlprnft> very funny.
22:19 <Vanhayes> groundpig: I think your server crashed
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22:20 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: change the map_file stuff to ctfsty wherever it says soccersty
22:21 <Your_mom_arma> and heres the dtd/instructions/server map http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/pig2_roundup.zip
22:23 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt add zones to the server map, the coordinates etc for the zones from the map your using now will work
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> map_file Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
22:25 <Your_mom_arma> forgot different version number
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22:28 <groundpig> my net connection went down, i had to power cycle my cable modem to recover
22:29 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i've gotta go, if you let me know where they are i'll give them a try later
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:22:04) Your_mom_arma: and heres the dtd/instructions/server map http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/pig2_roundup.zip
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:24:06) Your_mom_arma: i didnt add zones to the server map, the coordinates etc for the zones from the map your using now will work
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:26:29) Your_mom_arma: map_file Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/ctfsty-0.0.2.aamap.xml)
22:29 <Your_mom_arma> (16:26:41) Your_mom_arma: forgot different version number
22:30 <groundpig> thanks!
22:30 <Your_mom_arma> np
22:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: is the no-delete rule really that unreasonable?
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22:53 <DrJoeTron> windows is downloading fast enough :d
22:54 <DrJoeTron> and i still cant find any screws
22:54 <DrJoeTron> but i found my math book! Eh? eh?
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
22:57 <DrJoeTron> trying to put the lobster cage together
23:08 <luke-jr_> could get service from me =p
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23:10 <DrJoeTron> this is free
23:11 <DrJoeTron> i feel much more accomplished if i do it from the ground up
23:11 -!- Niii_ is now known as Niii
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and again Armagetron-money= 0
23:12 <DrJoeTron> take that back
23:12 <DrJoeTron> i failed math
23:12 <DrJoeTron> armgetron-money= negative money
23:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it is if the cockpit is mere minutes old
23:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: despite that 1) people can have used it within those mere minutes (in this case, 1 had), and 2) no other resource will ever be valid with that same file path ?
23:17 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: seriously, what's wrong with simply hiding it? =p
23:18 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: then just silently hide it, don't make a fuss about it
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and someone who uses a cockpit file won't be hurt if it disappears
23:18 <wrtlprnft> he has it in his cache
23:18 <wrtlprnft> other than a map that can be set on a server
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and then suddenly the clients can't find it
23:18 <luke-jr_> true
23:19 <luke-jr_> but we really should let servers force a specific cockpit...
23:19 <luke-jr_> silently hiding works tho ;)
23:19 <luke-jr_> we need some simple way to do hiding... hmm
23:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Lucifer_arma doesn
23:19 <luke-jr_> too bad *nix lacks a hidden flag
23:19 <wrtlprnft> 't want the server to foce a cockpit
23:20 <luke-jr_> well the Lucifer_arma can play somewhere else? =p
23:20 <luke-jr_> then*
23:20 <wrtlprnft> or hack his install
23:20 <luke-jr_> that works too
23:20 <luke-jr_> but we already allow forcing cockpits more or less, it's just not resource-ified
23:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:21 <luke-jr_> I guess another option would be to disable/enable cockpit components
23:21 <luke-jr_> like the HUD map can be disabled right now
23:21 <wrtlprnft> already implemented
23:21 <luke-jr_> implemented for all components?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> any data source can be disabled
23:22 <luke-jr_> oh
23:22 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig forbid_cockpit
23:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA: Colon- separated list of cockpit data sources clients aren't allowed to use in the cockpit (default: )
23:22 <wrtlprnft> FORBID_COCKPIT_DATA current_rubber:time_to_impact_front
23:22 <luke-jr_> what happens if rubber is forbidden? gauge disappear or just wrong?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> it shows 0 right now
23:22 <wrtlprnft> it should disappear, true
23:23 <luke-jr_> what if I disabled max rubber but allowed cycle rubber?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> but that raises other issures
23:23 <wrtlprnft> max rubber can't be disabled right now
23:23 <luke-jr_> as a player, I'd want to see cycle rubber at leasyt
23:23 <luke-jr_> o
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it's a config item
23:23 <wrtlprnft> it directly reads CYCLE_RUBBER
23:23 <luke-jr_> which is a data src =p
23:23 <wrtlprnft> everything else can be disabled, though
23:23 <luke-jr_> I'd suggest it disappear only if the 'value' (not min or max) is unavailable
23:24 <wrtlprnft> well, what if you have a text field
23:24 <luke-jr_> if min/max is unavailable, just have it automatically raise to the highest/lowest value has been during the game
23:24 <wrtlprnft> say, a table with brake, rubber, and speed, with labels
23:24 <luke-jr_> ah
23:24 <luke-jr_> well, the # could be empty =p
23:24 <wrtlprnft> if rubber is disabled, shall the entire text field disappear?
23:24 <luke-jr_> it wouldn't be *that* bad
23:24 <wrtlprnft> that's what't currently done
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23:25 <luke-jr_> maybe we can add something to disable an XML block if it cannot be evaluated
23:25 * luke-jr_ thinks vValue needs some kind of exception =p
23:25 <wrtlprnft> if the source is disallowed a vValue::Base is generated
23:26 <luke-jr_> erm
23:26 <luke-jr_> what if it's allowed later, after the cockpit is loaded?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> the cockpit is reloaded every time the setting is changed
23:26 <luke-jr_> oh
23:27 <luke-jr_> why not load it once, and simply use an exception to deny access?
23:27 <wrtlprnft> because that would require more checking each frame
23:27 <wrtlprnft> a vValue::Callback would need to remember the string associated with it too
23:28 <luke-jr_> true
23:28 <luke-jr_> until we do caching of values in general
23:28 <wrtlprnft> as you can't put function pointers into a set for some stupid useless restrictions
23:29 <wrtlprnft> if you could i could just have it check its pointer against that set
23:29 <wrtlprnft> but no, you can't compare function pointers, so they don't fit into sets
23:36 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:36 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
Log from 2006-08-28:
--- Day changed Mon Aug 28 2006
00:05 <spidey> good god
00:05 <spidey> why is everyone so obessed with religion
00:05 <spidey> luke-jr_, stfu
00:05 <spidey> that's ahead of time
00:05 <spidey> :p
00:08 <luke-jr_> spidey: stfu u
00:08 <spidey> no!
00:09 <luke-jr_> everyone is obsessed with non-religion really
00:09 <spidey> the last few days every convo i've had with someone somehow ended in a religious thing
00:09 <spidey> -_-
00:09 * spidey ignores everyone on his list
00:10 * luke-jr_ ignores everyone not on his list
00:12 <spidey> sheesh
00:12 <spidey> i wnder what micro's thinking
00:13 <spidey> 4+ axis servers aren't for deathmatch servers, they suck for it
00:14 <DrJoeTron> sweet
00:14 <DrJoeTron> alright
00:14 <DrJoeTron> bbl time to build the cage
00:14 <spidey> you get a dog?
00:15 <DrJoeTron> yeah, its called a dell 4500s
00:15 <spidey> sweet
00:15 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
00:15 <spidey> but
00:15 <spidey> why name it a dell
00:15 <DrJoeTron> i just need to get a wireless receiver
00:15 <DrJoeTron> and il finally give the cage its own machine to run off of
00:16 <DrJoeTron> instead of eating my resources
00:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: wtf? MBC has never been deathmatch...
00:17 * spidey minimizes
00:18 <luke-jr_> anyway, I left MBC cuz it was getting old
00:18 <luke-jr_> changes will help it
00:18 <spidey> micro is affraid of anything under 38 rubber
00:19 <spidey> if it goes back to anything above 45, i'm leaving and a few other people said they are to
00:19 <spidey> he considers 38 low rubber
00:19 <spidey> i consider 5 normal rubber :D
00:25 <DrJoeTron> 4
00:25 <spidey> ?
00:25 <DrJoeTron> :p
00:25 <spidey> i'll play with anything, but i don't LIKE it over 10
00:25 <DrJoeTron> i want my screws!
00:26 <DrJoeTron> the 20gig im using has mandriva installed
00:26 <DrJoeTron> but with a bad kernal
00:26 <DrJoeTron> so it refuses to start up
00:27 <spidey> mandrivia?
00:27 <spidey> ew
00:27 <DrJoeTron> swampy suggested it
00:27 <spidey> ew!
00:34 <DrJoeTron> NO!
00:34 <DrJoeTron> the drive is ruined!
00:35 <spidey> ?
00:35 <DrJoeTron> im trying to re bend this pin for an ide cable
00:35 <DrJoeTron> iforgot this drive took a spill
00:36 <DrJoeTron> il be amazed if it works
00:40 <DrJoeTron> sweet i bent it back
00:40 <DrJoeTron> america wins!
00:40 <spidey> ...
00:41 <spidey> bending a pin isn't hard :p
00:41 <DrJoeTron> this one was
00:41 <spidey> ...
00:41 <DrJoeTron> it was burried all the way to the bottom
00:41 <spidey> lol
00:41 <spidey> all you need is a tooth pick
00:41 <DrJoeTron> didnt have
00:41 <spidey> hahaha
00:42 <DrJoeTron> i used a knife
00:42 <DrJoeTron> anndd
00:42 <spidey> my uncle's got life fucked up
00:42 <DrJoeTron> those things that clip
00:42 <spidey> he wants me to move in the other room so he can take this one
00:42 <DrJoeTron> seutchers
00:42 <DrJoeTron> there we go
00:42 <spidey> with my king size bed and a/c
00:42 <spidey> i told him
00:42 <spidey> move my air conditioner and bed and it's a deal -_-
00:43 <spidey> the other room is bigger anyways
00:44 <spidey> Vanhayes, DrJoeTron
00:44 <spidey> wanna play warrock?
00:44 <Vanhayes> what?
00:44 <Vanhayes> er maybe later, I reall like CTF
00:44 <spidey> -_-
00:44 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ?
00:44 <spidey> i can get orb to play to
00:45 <spidey> it'll be 2vs2 :p
00:46 <Vanhayes> hmm vehicles?
00:46 <DrJoeTron> what
00:46 <DrJoeTron> spidey pong
00:46 <spidey> i wanna play that one inbetween vhicles and mission
00:46 <spidey> what it is?
00:46 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wanna play warrock with us?
00:46 <spidey> 2vs2 :p
00:46 <DrJoeTron> hahaha you got it?
00:46 <spidey> if hayes plays
00:47 <spidey> yes
00:47 <spidey> you me hayes and orb
00:47 <spidey> :D
00:47 <DrJoeTron> i uninstalled it but i can get it again
00:47 <spidey> me and orb on a team though
00:47 <spidey> :p
00:47 <spidey> get it :D
00:47 <DrJoeTron> also im gonna power off and see if this fucker runs
00:47 <DrJoeTron> il play later tonight probably
00:48 <spidey> :(
00:48 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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00:48 <spidey> hayes wanna play?
00:52 <Vanhayes> sure
00:52 <spidey> k
00:52 <spidey> goto the normal server
00:52 <spidey> this last channel we was in
00:52 <Vanhayes> vehicle tho right?
00:52 <spidey> mmm
00:52 <spidey> sec
00:53 <spidey> ya
00:53 <spidey> cya there
00:53 <Vanhayes> ya ill be a few minutes it takes a while to start up
00:57 <spidey> i'm there
00:57 <spidey> waiting for orb
00:57 <spidey> :/
00:57 <Vanhayes> ?
00:57 <spidey> reinvite me
00:57 <spidey> lol
00:57 <Vanhayes> lol ok
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00:59 <DrJoeTron> spidey give me a few min
01:00 <DrJoeTron> spidey what made you change your mind on DLing warrock?
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01:04 <spidey> orb
01:04 <DrJoeTron> fucker
01:05 <DrJoeTron> is there a patch now?
01:05 <spidey> dunno
01:07 <spidey> wooooooooooo
01:07 <spidey> i flew a plane
01:08 <DrJoeTron> i hate you spidey!
01:08 <DrJoeTron> i like how all of the voices are exactly the same
01:10 <spidey> i sniped orb accross the map
01:13 <DrJoeTron> ya sniper is ultra powerful
01:15 <spidey> fuck
01:15 <spidey> i suck at flying
01:19 <spidey> i can't ever land that jet
01:21 <DrJoeTron> i could never get used to flying in that game
01:21 <DrJoeTron> too used to bf2
01:27 <spidey> lol
01:29 <DrJoeTron> 0101010001001001010101000101010001011001
01:29 <DrJoeTron> 01000110010101010100001101001011
01:40 <DrJoeTron> spidey
01:41 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron
01:41 <DrJoeTron> yes?
01:42 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron
01:44 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_,
01:44 <spidey> joe
01:44 <spidey> come play
01:44 <DrJoeTron> currently updating
01:45 <spidey> we'lll restart when you get ready
01:45 <spidey> i wanna play normal
01:46 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron
01:46 <DrJoeTron> what
01:47 <DrJoeTron> can i help you luke-jr_ ?
01:47 <luke-jr_> no
01:47 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron
01:47 <DrJoeTron> /ignore luke-jr_
01:47 <luke-jr_> lol
01:47 <luke-jr_> spidey
01:48 <DrJoeTron> go fix arma luke-jr_ !
01:52 <DrJoeTron> spidey ts
01:55 <spidey> what's the address/pass
01:55 <spidey> ?
01:57 <DrJoeTron> 66.29.95.48:8567 pass is option
01:57 <DrJoeTron> or there might not be a pass
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02:58 <Lucifer_arma> <luke-jr_> but we really should let servers force a specific cockpit... <--- you can't. I can always mod my client. Why waste your time on something you can't enforce?
03:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, no spam yet
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03:38 <Vanhayes> spidey?
03:42 <Vanhayes> er bbl
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03:45 <spidey> got tired of being spawn killed
03:45 <spidey> lol
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04:18 <mkzelda> season finale 4400 ep was awesome
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's near 24 hours since I re-enabled anonymous editing on the wiki and still no spam
04:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: we already have such settings
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: and they already don't work
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> back when I ran my in-cam only server (on 0.2.7.0), one guy hacked his client to let him use any cam he wanted and another guy found a workaround that didn't require hacking his client.
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty high percentage of players when you think about it, the server was a niche in a niche, it only had like 4-6 regular players.
05:00 <luke-jr_> well, if we restrict the source data instead we can theoretically make it work better
05:00 <luke-jr_> eg, if CYCLE_RUBBER is restricted, don't tell it to the clients
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm more interested in why it's needed, because the only reasons I've been hearing have been what I consider bad reasons for restricting.
05:01 * Lucifer_arma notes that if the client doesn't know cycle_rubber, it can't simulate it
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also interested in how we can detect when someone has bypassed it
05:01 <luke-jr_> it shouldn't need to simulate it
05:02 <luke-jr_> AFAIK, it doesn't
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> you did notice the tail lag on fortress?
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> the "lag" part went away when people had clients that simulated it properly...
05:02 <luke-jr_> simulate cycles passing through the wall =p
05:03 <luke-jr_> oh
05:03 <luke-jr_> I see what you mean
05:03 <luke-jr_> that's a problem if walls stay up after death, maybe
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's a problem every time you approach a wall. :/
05:03 <luke-jr_> not really
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, that's not the point. The point is, why do you want to restrict hud gauges and/or the complete cockpit?
05:04 <luke-jr_> rubber only comes into real play on a death
05:04 * Lucifer_arma notes that rubber makes a big difference in whether or not you can outgrind Your_mom_arma
05:04 <luke-jr_> in the cast of the HUD map, for a maze-- that will be hard to do server-side
05:04 <luke-jr_> case*
05:05 <luke-jr_> really, I think the useful ones to restrict are the ones that are the hardest to restrict :(
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can't stop the hud map, really. and it does give an advantage to someone who has the hud map....
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so what about detection? If a more reliable way to detect this stuff could be found, I'd be more interested in it. :)
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05:05 <luke-jr_> I doubt you can
05:06 <luke-jr_> no more than you can detect AI playing
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, there are workarounds that can be used
05:07 <Vanhayes> spidey: are you still playing warrock?
05:07 <luke-jr_> now, if you don't mind making glances and such server-side, you could simply not update things outside the player's view...
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to restrict the hud map, send a different map to the client than what the server uses
05:07 <spidey> no
05:07 <Vanhayes> ok
05:07 <spidey> i got tired of being spawn killed
05:07 <spidey> spawn killed o.o
05:07 <luke-jr_> that messes up simulation quite a bit
05:07 <Vanhayes> lol
05:07 <luke-jr_> see ed'
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> then restrict the hud map. If someone does mod their client, they're fucked.
05:07 <luke-jr_> ed's dual-aamap maps
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it does mess up simulation, heh.
05:07 <luke-jr_> well
05:07 <luke-jr_> you *could* put points WAY outside the actual arena
05:08 <luke-jr_> and HUD map would scale it wrong
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> forcing the hud map to scale
05:08 <luke-jr_> but that might be ugly
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> hey, that might result in someone giving us a patch to scale the hud map :)
05:08 <luke-jr_> maybe
05:09 <luke-jr_> I'd like one that autoscales to the bounds of all cycles =p
05:09 <luke-jr_> maybe with a margin
05:09 <luke-jr_> and allow overflow drawing
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to scale to like 20m x 20m and then point it so that your cycle is centered, pointing up
05:10 <luke-jr_> up to a certain percentage anyhow
05:10 <luke-jr_> I'd like quite a few different HUD maps, I think =p
05:10 <luke-jr_> all in one
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, me too. :) Either has new widgets using old code or attributes of the map widget
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I want to be able to cycle between the radar-like map I've described and the full map that's there
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> the stuff is already there to do the cycling, I just need the new map widgets available :)
05:11 <luke-jr_> yes
05:11 <luke-jr_> did I mention how much I'm starting to dislike OS X?
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I think it would be more useful to us to work out what kinds of maps and game variations can be made that eliminate advantages the cockpit gives
05:12 <luke-jr_> why? just cuz the HUD map ruins a game doesn't make the game non-fun
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm only going to hack my own client to workaround any cockpit restrictions for servers that are using them for purely draconian reasons
05:13 <luke-jr_> see wrtl's hide and seek server
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> "more useful" is a relative statement
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> the main reason I've heard is that "for in-cam only servers, the hud map conveys an unfair advantage", and I just don't buy that brand of cereal
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> the radar-like map I want will actually convey an unfair advantage for incam servers, though. :) (that's why I want it, to make incam much more playable)
05:22 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: I want it to scale to like 20m x 20m and then point it so that your cycle is centered, pointing up
05:22 <Your_mom_arma> i second that
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> how do categories work in mediawiki?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I've seen subcategories in wikipedia, how do we use them ourselves?
05:24 * Lucifer_arma wonders if he needs to upgrade the wiki, heh
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> im not sure how to use them, i just know i have a hard time finding things alot of times
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> go looking for map info and i'll stumble into color codes and how to install a moviepack
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> luci can you fix the default skin, its changed formatting
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> um, it has, I tried to get everything to indent properly. I really need a screenshot of what's broken specifically...
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> because, um, it looks very nice on my browser. :)
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Image:Formating_wiki.jpg
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> low quality jpg had to get it down to 1.5mb
05:37 <Your_mom_arma> want a comparison with another skin?
05:52 <spidey> wtf
05:53 <spidey> i've had 2 fortress servers running this whole time
05:53 <spidey> o.o
05:54 <spidey> umm
05:54 <spidey> how can mysql use 99% cpu cycle and httpd use 39.2%
05:54 <spidey> o.o
05:56 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: thanks, i upgraded to your map and dtd
05:56 <mkzelda> i got in trouble for asking a teacher how i was supposed to give 110%
05:56 <mkzelda> "How I can I give more than I have?"
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> groundpig: np
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> mkzelda: lol
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> outsourcing?
05:57 <groundpig> switched the flag and base one one side so more complex runs are needed
05:58 <mkzelda> haha
05:58 <mkzelda> good answer
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06:25 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: tell the school administration that so-and-so teacher was telling you to cheat
06:25 <luke-jr_> =o
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06:35 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: that screenshot shows badly-used lists. Does the font really look that bad on your screen?
06:43 <spidey> wow
06:43 <spidey> people actually still know how to play roulutte
06:43 <spidey> well, that's the most fun i've had in tron in a few months :D
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> no the font looks fine i just had to really compress the image
06:47 <Your_mom_arma> 30 or 35% compression to get it to 1.5 mb
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> er
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> mabey it was .15
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06:57 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: killed by a troll
06:57 <DrJoeTron> pong?
06:57 <DrJoeTron> oh shit
06:57 <DrJoeTron> yeah!
06:57 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:57 <DrJoeTron> Hold on, i got a call
06:57 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah? what'd he say?
06:57 <DrJoeTron> what did you say?
06:58 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:58 <DrJoeTron> no. waay.
06:58 <DrJoeTron> birthday one is still the greatest
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> we got you just what you wanted dissapointment
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> murderface is the mr.T of the group so of course
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> what are the guitarists names?
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> i know pickels william murderface and nathan explosion
07:01 <DrJoeTron> toki is one
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> is that the one with the wierd stach?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> hmm whos the blond strait man?
07:03 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
07:03 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah!
07:03 <DrJoeTron> skwisgaar
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> Skwisgaar Skwigelf
07:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> Skwisgaar Skwigelf, Toki Wartooth, William Murderface, Pickles the Drummer, and Nathan Explosion
07:04 <DrJoeTron> wiki it?
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> google
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> all i found was the myspace page
07:04 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:04 <DrJoeTron> thats cute
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> everytime i google something i get either myspace or wiki results
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: you can usually ignore that size warning, can't you? :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86811#86811
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> as long as im not organizing all the playertrick pages and playing the game stuff
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, that's all I've outlined so far
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> well the main point i was making was all the weird indentations i get, changing skins fixes the problem
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it'll make more sense when I start putting links to actual pages in the outline?
07:08 <Your_mom_arma> perhaps
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've listed some specific pages, just didn't link them, heh
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07:16 <Your_mom_arma> go steal the guys who did the freeciv wiki and just keep our main page
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> thier main page is impossible to navigate it has so many links
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07:21 <Lucifer_arma> their wiki is impossible to navigate :(
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> part of the reason I'm wanting to reorganize ours is because I'm frustrated with theirs ;)
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> what happens when you transclude a category page?
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> mabey we should make use of the templates for this with some nice html or wiki formatting
07:30 <Your_mom_arma> Red for the main hub template; orange for branches like playing the game; yellow for project docs;etc
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> for the outline itself? Or you mean when we actually start reorganizing the pages themselves?
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> when we start to organize
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I ws intending, but probably didn't say so, that each bullet in the outline that has bullets underneath it (branches) should be a Category: special page
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> because a Category: special page can include article text as well as listing all the pages that go in it. :) So we'll use Categories to organize everything.
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> Then, yeah, templates like we've been using to provide additional navigation
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> as for nice formatting, I've no ideas, try what you want and if it looks good keep it :)
07:44 <luke-jr_> spidey: outer?
07:49 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Talk:Wiki_Structuring_Project
07:49 <Your_mom_arma> rough ideas for templates
07:51 <Your_mom_arma> work on it later, cya guys
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10:45 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with margin
10:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [20:12:57] <wrtlprnft> if you nest two lists they'll both have different calculated margings
10:45 <wrtlprnft> ack
10:45 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with margin --with Lucifer_arma:
10:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: that's because the margins are specified as percentages
10:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:46 <wrtlprnft> which is a bad idea (TM)
10:46 * Lucifer_arma is old and traditional, preferring percentages over anything else
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> really? why is it a bad idea?
10:47 <wrtlprnft> well, look at nested lists
10:47 <wrtlprnft> the 2nd list will have less indentation than the 1st one
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> right, I don't see why that's bad though
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> as long as it's clearly indented in relation to the first, that's what matters
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, percentage margins will shrink with the size of the window or block, allowing more text to show for smaller sizes
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> when the window shrinks, it's more important to me to fit text in there than whitespace
10:48 <wrtlprnft> well, that sucks too
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> why?
10:48 <wrtlprnft> as if the indentation is too small, the bullet appears outside of the page
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> gotta get pretty small for that to happen
10:49 <wrtlprnft> and the positioning of the list bullets isn't standarized AFAIK and different between browsers
10:49 <wrtlprnft> opera aligns it on the right which looks good, ff aligns it on the left
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> aligns what on the right?
10:50 <wrtlprnft> and it's a huge waste of screen space
10:50 <wrtlprnft> the bullet
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> on the right of what?
10:51 * Lucifer_arma notes he uses a 60px panel on a 1024x768 monitor
10:51 <wrtlprnft> on the right of the indentation space
10:51 <wrtlprnft> of the right margin
10:51 <wrtlprnft> after all the bullet is a pixel image
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so when it line-wraps, does it start the second line under the bullet, or does it line up the text on the left?
10:52 <wrtlprnft> no
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> no what?
10:52 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Image:Formating_wiki.jpg <-- aligned on the left
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> I don't get what you're trying to show me
10:54 <wrtlprnft> see that huge space between the bullet and the text on the 2nd bullet after "Formatting"
10:54 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> yes
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> you're basing your conclusion on that?
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> did you look at the html that generated that? it's a page full of badly-used lists
10:55 <wrtlprnft> why?
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> why what?
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> why is it a page full of badly-used lists?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> <ul><li><p>some text</p><p>more text</p></li><!-- more list items --></ul>
10:56 <wrtlprnft> what's wrong about that?
10:56 <wrtlprnft> paragraphs in list items are perfectly valid
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> I need some sort of reference point. What you just showed me doesn't tell me anything. Is that the html that made the screenshot?
10:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:57 <wrtlprnft> that list i was referring to
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> and what is "some text" supposed to be then?
10:58 <wrtlprnft> "Well, this still uses definition lists that just aren't appropiate, and the date in front really clutters things up."
10:58 <wrtlprnft> "more text" means "The real problem with normal unordered lists is that mediawiki's syntax doesn't allow them to be longer than one paragraph, at least without ugly tricks like this."
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the list causing that
11:01 <wrtlprnft> it's the paragraph inside
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> yep
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> which also has a margin on it
11:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:02 <wrtlprnft> why should a paragraph have a margin?
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> look at any other page on the wiki to see
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> one with headings will make the most sense
11:03 <wrtlprnft> why apply the margin to the paragraphs?
11:03 <wrtlprnft> why not apply a padding to the element containing them?
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> because a) padding is evil, and b) it would then apply to the headings
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> also, mixing html and wiki syntax is inherently a bad idea and is going to cause unpredictable results. I thought I'd disabled raw html on the wiki....
11:05 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:06 <wrtlprnft> the code it generates is just fine
11:06 <wrtlprnft> and the monobook CSS has no trouble coping with it
11:06 <wrtlprnft> and what's evil about padding?!
11:06 <wrtlprnft> you can give the headings a negative margin
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> the fact that what I want here is margins, not padding
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> margins are treated differently than padding.
11:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> take two elements and put them side by side. Give the left one a width of 40% and the right one a width of 60%
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> you see that?
11:07 <wrtlprnft> so what?
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> now, if I put padding-left on the right block, that padding gets added *between* the elements
11:08 <wrtlprnft> no
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> but if I put a margin instead, the margin is inside the block
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> so the total width is left element + padding + right element
11:08 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:08 <wrtlprnft> which is how it should be
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> right. so use padding when you need to space elements
11:08 <wrtlprnft> the 40% is the width of the inner block
11:09 <wrtlprnft> the padding-left gets added to that
11:09 <wrtlprnft> then the border-left-width
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm not trying to space elements, I'm trying to put a uniform indentation on paragraphs. That's the definition of a margin.
11:09 <wrtlprnft> then the margin-left
11:09 <wrtlprnft> that's you total width
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> so I should use margin and not padding for what I'm trying to do
11:09 <wrtlprnft> then at least add a rule like
11:09 <wrtlprnft> li p {margin-left:0; margin-right:0;}
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> sure, I can do that.
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the template is in svn....
11:10 <wrtlprnft> you'd still need to update it
11:10 <wrtlprnft> and i still think these changes belong into the wiki itself
11:10 <wrtlprnft> so you can edit it from there
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, I would have strongly preferred to skip this whole conversation and instead hve gotten "Luci, can you update the wiki template from svn? I fixed the margin problem with paragraphs inside lists"
11:11 <wrtlprnft> it still looks ugly, no matter what. I'm not using the arma skin because it's messed, and i've heard others complain about it too
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've asked time and time again for fixes. Fixes > complaints.
11:12 <wrtlprnft> well, those % margins de-fix it
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> it works fine for me, and I don't have the problems others have.
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if you knew which complaint I was fixing you'd look at it differently
11:12 <wrtlprnft> that it's a huge waste of screenspace?
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> fact is, I get nothing but complaints. Complaints are very unhelpful.
11:13 <wrtlprnft> at least if you're viewing it at a big window wisth
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> you're talking to a guy with a 60px panel on a 1024x768 monitor. I firmly believe that whitespace is helpful
11:13 <wrtlprnft> *width
11:13 <wrtlprnft> not
11:13 <wrtlprnft> if
11:13 <wrtlprnft> it
11:13 <wrtlprnft> causes
11:13 <wrtlprnft> every
11:13 <wrtlprnft> word
11:13 <wrtlprnft> to
11:14 <wrtlprnft> wrap
11:14 <wrtlprnft> because
11:14 <wrtlprnft> the
11:14 <wrtlprnft> space
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the complaint I was fixing is that it's very difficult to follow the heading depth
11:14 <wrtlprnft> for
11:14 <wrtlprnft> text
11:14 <wrtlprnft> is
11:14 <wrtlprnft> way
11:14 <wrtlprnft> too
11:14 <wrtlprnft> small
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I'll come back when you want to do more than just bitch
11:14 <wrtlprnft> no trouble with the headings
11:14 <wrtlprnft> it's lists
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's *you*
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> and you were already a person known not to use the default skin
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> if you were the only wiki user, I'd gladly roll back those changes
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> but the fact is, I can't do anything to make this skin look better for some people without some other people bitching
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> you ever wonder why I've never bothered to try to fix things in it? Well, now you know.
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, lackadaisical has put making a good skin for the wiki on his todo list, and when he does, it'll be there
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> jeez, I can't even reply on a talk page without you bitching about style.
11:25 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:25 <wrtlprnft> i wondered because I don't like the fact that there's like 4 different styles now, and they don't mix
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> welcome to the wide world of wikiwikiweb
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> what matters is that the communication happens, and that the article pages themselves are consistent
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> so, in fact, showing me a formatting problem on a talk page where even mediawiki's own "best practices" are violated isn't going to cause me to care
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen a few anomalies on some of the article pages caused by the margin change, but those are mostly elements that aren't indented themselves so they look a little weird
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, I don't know, it looks fine to me.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> the next thing we need to decide is if we want the categories to be listed below or above the article text.
11:29 <wrtlprnft> as i said, I'm not using it, but it still looks broken to me and possibly others
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom came up with a neat template idea for navigation that might be mutually exclusive with categories at the top of the page
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I know it looks broken to others, it has from the beginning. The rule on the wiki is that if you need a higher contrast between text and background, or if you use IE or anything that's not firefox,
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> you use a different skin
11:30 <wrtlprnft> that's what i call accessible web design
11:30 <wrtlprnft> use firefox or die.
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I considered not making this one the default skin, but then I figured if I left it the default skin, maybe people would quit bitching and send fixes
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> people for the most part have quit bitching, at least.
11:31 <wrtlprnft> not much better than IE- only pages created with frontpage, if you ask me
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> you use a different skin <--- is not the same as "<wrtlprnft> use firefox or die."
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> if it were the only skin available, I'd probably care more, but it's not.
11:32 <wrtlprnft> to use a skin you need an account
11:32 <wrtlprnft> and you need to be logged in
11:32 <wrtlprnft> btw, on topic, i doubt we need a CT tactics page. They have their own site and wiki they're trying to fill with tactics already
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> we probably don't, that was put in the outline before I took inventory of what was there. :)
11:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Fortress_Tactics_offense&curid=1472&diff=14752&oldid=6291 <-- mind if i remove the yadayada?
11:35 <wrtlprnft> or does it have any meaning?
11:35 <spidey> luke-jr_, .......
11:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey, ………………………………
11:35 <spidey> that shit's really annoying
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> no meaning, I did it to force the page to update the transcluded page
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a list somewhere with an item that says "spurious edit". may have been the one you just changed, heh.
11:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that i already did
11:36 <wrtlprnft> it said "todo: remove this"
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't feel like doing anything creative after that one, so there's "yadayada" at the bottom of at least two pages that I know I did, but I may have removed one to force it to update again
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> there's a fair amount of fresh writing that needs to be done to get the new category pages put in place of the old pages
11:38 <wrtlprnft> i only saw one yadayayda
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> I probably got the other, it was in the fortress tactics section
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> if you got the one on defense, then it was probably the one on offense I removed to force another update
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> transclusion is nice, but it really sucks that pages that cached an old transclusion don't update automatically
11:40 <wrtlprnft> what's a psyche out?!
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> I like the breadcrumb that you get with categories, though
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's like when you throw a punch at someone, then pull it halfway without hitting him and say "Psyche!"
11:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:41 <wrtlprnft> i'll skip that definition and leave it to someone else
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12:03 <spidey> -_-
12:03 <spidey> upside, i got the house to myself all day
12:03 <spidey> downside i got 3 cigarettes left and nobody to take me to the store!
12:04 <wrtlprnft> take a bike and go there
12:05 <spidey> i don't have one
12:05 <spidey> not anymore
12:05 <wrtlprnft> your problem
12:05 <spidey> when i moved my mom left it at the old house -_-
12:05 <spidey> along with my rolling computer chair
12:05 <spidey> half of my speakers
12:06 <spidey> and other stuff -_-
12:09 <spidey> i'ma work on making my site compatible in all browsers today, i think
12:09 <spidey> it looks bad in IE
12:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rainbowtest.htm
12:56 <wrtlprnft> woot
12:56 <wrtlprnft> that's NOT an image
12:56 <wrtlprnft> and not tons of <font> tags
12:57 <spidey> .....
12:57 <spidey> all you did was add a background to the text
12:57 <wrtlprnft> no
12:57 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work in IE, though
12:58 <spidey> i don't get it
12:58 <wrtlprnft> what do you see?
12:58 <spidey> why add <div id="fg"></div> it's not being used
12:59 <wrtlprnft> it is being used
12:59 <spidey> i see durka jr
12:59 <spidey> hmm
12:59 <spidey> btw
13:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rainbowtest.png <-- this is what you *should* see
13:00 <spidey> it's fucked up in firefox to
13:00 <wrtlprnft> looks fine in my firefox
13:00 <spidey> sec
13:01 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rainbowtestff.png
13:01 <spidey> grr
13:01 <spidey> imageshack won't let me upload
13:01 <spidey> sec
13:03 <spidey> shitty connection!
13:03 <spidey> 4k b/s
13:04 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/durkajr.JPG
13:04 <spidey> there
13:04 <wrtlprnft> weird
13:05 <wrtlprnft> looks like it's just ignoring the backgroound for the first three lines
13:05 <spidey> o.o
13:05 <wrtlprnft> but it still has multicolored text
13:05 <spidey> lol
13:05 <wrtlprnft> which is the whole point of the page
13:06 <spidey> wtf
13:06 <wrtlprnft> multicolored text with just two images
13:06 <spidey> here's a reloaded page
13:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe something's messed up with your firefox or it's just the fault of windows
13:08 <spidey> skjdfhskjdfh
13:09 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/reloaded.JPG
13:10 <spidey> that one looks better anyways
13:10 <spidey> lol
13:11 <wrtlprnft> weird
13:11 <wrtlprnft> if your connection sucks, are you sure it loaded the foreground image?
13:12 <wrtlprnft> probably firefox isn't following the spec on windows
13:12 <wrtlprnft> >The equation for computing a composited sample value is:
13:12 <wrtlprnft> >output = alpha * foreground + (1-alpha) * background
13:12 <spidey> dunno
13:12 <wrtlprnft> http://www.w3.org/TR/PNG/#13Alpha-channel-processing
13:13 <wrtlprnft> according to that spec the background should appear all gray and the text in rainbow colors
13:14 <spidey> hmm
13:14 <spidey> gotta feed dogs, brb
13:23 <spidey> hmm
13:23 <spidey> fget can use ftp protocal for opening files on remote servers can't it?
13:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft
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15:28 <wrtlprnft> wrtlprnft: it should
15:28 <wrtlprnft> err
15:28 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it should
15:28 <spidey> huh?
15:28 <spidey> oh
15:28 <spidey> i got that
15:28 <wrtlprnft> 13:23 <spidey> fget can use ftp protocal for opening files on remote servers can't it?
15:28 <wrtlprnft> 13:59 <spidey> wrtlprnft
15:28 <spidey> i just have a problem
15:29 <spidey> i got that, i can make it get a single file from a ftpserver
15:29 <spidey> but, i want it to get anything with log-*.txt
15:29 <spidey> now sure how i'd add that
15:29 <wrtlprnft> umm
15:29 <wrtlprnft> i dunno if that'll work, but try opendir
15:30 <spidey> hmm
15:30 * spidey goes to read on opendir
15:30 <wrtlprnft> http://de.php.net/manual/en/function.opendir.php
15:30 <wrtlprnft> looks like it was added with php 5.0
15:30 <spidey> http://us2.php.net/function.opendir
15:30 <spidey> :p
15:30 <spidey> php3
15:31 <spidey> opendir
15:31 <spidey> (PHP 3, PHP 4, PHP 5)
15:31 <wrtlprnft> no
15:31 <wrtlprnft> look at the ChangeLog
15:31 <spidey> oh
15:34 <wrtlprnft> or, if you feel like OOP use http://de.php.net/manual/en/class.dir.php
15:35 <spidey> i'd need a webserver on the remote server wouldn't i?
15:36 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:36 <spidey> nvm
15:36 <wrtlprnft> from PHP5 on you can open ftp:// URIs with opendir
15:36 <spidey> ah
15:37 <wrtlprnft> ßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßß
15:38 <spidey> -_-
15:38 <wrtlprnft> ooops
15:38 <wrtlprnft> sorry, was trying to fix that key
15:38 <[dlh]> √
15:38 <guru3> wrtlprnft: what character encoding is that?
15:38 <wrtlprnft> utf-8
15:38 <guru3> underscores Oo
15:39 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:39 <guru3> that's what they are when i switch my console to utf-8
15:39 <guru3> ><
15:39 <guru3> inverted _s
15:39 <wrtlprnft> ¯¯¯¯¯¯?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> no, those were sharp s
15:39 <guru3> oh vell
15:39 <guru3> character encoding's never worked right to start with for me
15:40 <wrtlprnft> niiiiiice!
15:40 <wrtlprnft> ???ßßß? \\\\\\\\¿¿¿¿¿¿
15:40 <wrtlprnft> yay
15:40 <wrtlprnft> fixed that key
15:41 <wrtlprnft> there was some small piece of plastic under it
15:41 <wrtlprnft> that prevented it from working
15:42 <wrtlprnft> ǫş
15:42 <wrtlprnft> i didn't even know i could make those
15:43 <guru3> i don't even know what those are
15:43 <wrtlprnft> haha
15:45 <wrtlprnft> ĭšŝűŏ
15:49 <guru3> i think i'll setup a 32bit chroot for my amd64
15:50 <wrtlprnft> „YAY!“
15:50 <wrtlprnft> i managed to bind german quotation marks to keys!
15:51 <guru3> "woo"
15:51 <spidey> yay
15:51 <spidey> i suck at this :D
15:52 <wrtlprnft> let's see if i can do the same with the horizontal ellipse
15:52 <wrtlprnft> i can…
15:52 <wrtlprnft> and again, this time with an ndash :)
15:52 <spidey> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
15:52 <spidey> brb
15:59 <Lucifer_arma> yay! if I want to go to A&M, I might have to take Fencing I and II :)
16:07 <spidey> [28-Aug-2006 09:07:34] PHP Warning: ftp_connect(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: None 11 such host is known. in F:\webserver\htdocs\ftp.php on line 10
16:07 <spidey> o.o
16:07 <spidey> lies
16:27 <wrtlprnft> …
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> ...
16:30 <spidey> wrtlprnft, ...
16:31 <spidey> hmm
16:31 * spidey doesn't remember typing wrtlprnft o.o
16:38 <wrtlprnft> …
16:38 <wrtlprnft> heh, it's bound to a key now, so espect me to use it quite often :þ
16:53 <wrtlprnft> http://hotcaptcha.com/ ← what about that as captchas for the forums?
16:53 <wrtlprnft> jk
17:42 <wrtlprnft> http://directory.fsf.org/games/ ← we should be in there, really :s
18:02 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, you're gonna learn how to buy stolen goods and get away with it?
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18:29 <DrJoeTron> i need to go garbage picking soon, i gotta replenish my supply of pc parts
18:32 <mkzelda> you can catch my parts as i toss them
18:32 <mkzelda> i have 16 *assembled* puters
18:33 <mkzelda> a few of those might be somewhat low on ram or small hd, but they've all got the parts needed to be complete. Then I have other parts...
18:40 <DrJoeTron> its all good
18:41 <DrJoeTron> im low on ide cables, cd drives, mobo's and cpu's
18:41 <DrJoeTron> i have alot of ram
18:41 <DrJoeTron> some of which is really early pc3200
18:42 <DrJoeTron> so it gets very picky, if i piss it off it fries the mobo
18:42 <DrJoeTron> its done this twice
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19:49 <wrtlprnft> supybot really isn't exactly efficient on resources. It's running nonstop for a few days now, and used 12 hours CPU time!
19:50 <wrtlprnft> actually more. For some reason it has two processes (probably one for #commits and one for #armagetron) with 16 hours
20:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: it's Python, what do you expect?
20:20 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: where do you garbage pick computer parts?
20:41 <wrtlprnft> i thought python was so great, superior and fast you could even program 3d games in it…
20:53 <luke-jr_> fast is relative
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> supybot is a bit of a resource hog anyway
21:39 <Lucifer_arma> not necessarily python's fault, considering what it does
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> whoopee, they accepted me into the honors program :)
21:52 <wrtlprnft> o my
21:53 <wrtlprnft> not a good thing to press random keys in screen after c-a
21:54 <wrtlprnft> kinda messes things up
21:54 <wrtlprnft> test
21:54 <wrtlprnft> test again, sorry
21:55 <wrtlprnft> every line in a channel eats about one CPU second, it seems
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22:19 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ where do i garbage pick my parts?
22:20 <DrJoeTron> if i find one on the curb while im driving its one of those "holy crap, better nab it" type of deals
22:20 <DrJoeTron> i just have this giant bin filled with pc parts
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22:25 <Lucifer_arma> geez, send me some DrJoeTron
22:26 <DrJoeTron> whatcha need?
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> a whole computer :)
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> a working motherboard for a Duron would set me, though.
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't need power, I need a backup server, so I'll buy brandy-new hard drives for it, I just need a base computer to stick 'em in
22:28 <DrJoeTron> i have a celeron 500mhz micro atx
22:28 <DrJoeTron> thats just sitting here doing nothing
22:28 <DrJoeTron> i bought it for 5 bucks
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I have a celeron processor I can stick on it.
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I sort of have a case, needs power supply. Might be able to get that from the case with the bad duron motherboard in it
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> it has a pci slot? does it have onboard network? If not, needs 2 pci slots. :)
22:33 <wrtlprnft> second. python is written in raw C? So you base a heavily object- oriented language on a non–oop one?
22:35 <DrJoeTron> it has 3 pci slots
22:35 <DrJoeTron> needs SD ram
22:36 <DrJoeTron> it was gonna be the lobster cage
22:36 <DrJoeTron> but couldnt get it to run
22:36 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: so you just drive around and look for PCs?
22:37 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ not really like that, say im driving to a friends house, or to school, if one catches my eye i nab it
22:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: is the bytecode OO?
22:37 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: maybe run supybot in pyvm? ;)
22:38 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: well, you said it in a way that suggested actively looking-- so I asked where =p
22:38 <DrJoeTron> gomes (other lobster admin guy thing) always lucks out and finds some crazy things
22:39 <DrJoeTron> found a computer with scorch marks all over it, was from fire
22:39 <DrJoeTron> bam, lobster cage sumo
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22:41 <DrJoeTron> btw Lucifer_arma this pc also has a power supply...i think
22:41 <DrJoeTron> lemme go check it
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> ah, it's a complete pc?
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, couldn't get it to run?
22:44 <DrJoeTron> well
22:44 <DrJoeTron> first i loaded windows
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> next semester I'm signing up for fencing!
22:45 <DrJoeTron> instant bad idea
22:45 <DrJoeTron> i tried mandriva
22:45 <DrJoeTron> and i got a bad kernal
22:45 <DrJoeTron> so instant failure
22:45 <DrJoeTron> yeah its pretty much a complete pc
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, kernel errors on computers like that usually indicate bad ram/bad processor
22:45 <DrJoeTron> nah it read the disc wrong
22:45 <DrJoeTron> because its on the hdd
22:46 <DrJoeTron> i just popped the hdd into the new lobster cage and gave me the same problem on startup
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you wanna send it, I can paypal the shipping to you
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> so you're pretty sure it's a bad hard drive then? for a backup server, I'll be putting brand new hard drives in it.
22:46 <DrJoeTron> i'll put it together first, and see what about it
22:46 <DrJoeTron> i also bought this for 5 dolalrs
22:46 <DrJoeTron> so
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> I've got it, don't worry :)
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> I've got like $35 in my paypal account and no linked checking account, heh
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> so it's just been sitting there.... ;)
22:47 <DrJoeTron> heh, lemme find the parts and il send it
22:48 <DrJoeTron> you WILL need a video card i think
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> umm, does it have 3 pci slots then? only spare vid card I have is a pci card
22:48 <DrJoeTron> yes
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> wait, did you say it has onboard network?
22:48 <DrJoeTron> nope
22:48 <DrJoeTron> 3 pci, thats it
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, 3 pci slots for sure. I need one for the IDE card
22:48 <DrJoeTron> and the cpu fan needs to be replaced
22:48 <DrJoeTron> yes
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> so IDE, network, and vid card = 3 pci slots
22:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> I have a spare, I have a burnt-up celeron motherboard but the processor+fan is fine
22:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:49 <DrJoeTron> it was such a pain to get out of the case
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> memory, it may just be the power supply burnt up and the rest is fine, I don't really know. But I was able to wire up my car CD player to the power supply for awhile :)
22:50 <DrJoeTron> haha :D
22:50 <DrJoeTron> needs a power supply
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I can pick up a power supply. I'm going to slap two hard drives in there, can grab a power supply while I'm at it.
22:52 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:52 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:52 <DrJoeTron> hmm, lemme see if thats even possible in this thing
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> does it use a standard power supply? I have a good power supply, but it's not standard. :(
22:52 <DrJoeTron> its standard
22:53 <DrJoeTron> this thing was probably made in 97-99
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> mini atx still fits in a regular atx case, though, right? I have a case I can toss it in if all else fails, long as it uses standard connectors
22:53 <DrJoeTron> wait ist 400mhz
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, now that I think about it, that power supply should still be good. It's another damn broke-ass motherboard.
22:54 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> used to be I had broke-ass hard drives and good motherboards, now I have good hard drives and broke-ass motherboards.
22:56 <DrJoeTron> ok im holding the mobo stuck to half of the case
22:56 <DrJoeTron> ports
22:56 <DrJoeTron> 2 ps/2, 2 USB, printer, serial, and vga
22:56 <DrJoeTron> it does have on board
22:56 <DrJoeTron> video
22:57 <DrJoeTron> CMOS battery is still good :p
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's convenient. :)
22:57 <DrJoeTron> but yeah this fan
22:57 <DrJoeTron> sooo annoying
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> loud?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> more like painful loud
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> is it just a loud fan, or is it a clickety fan?
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> that's actually good, I need more white noise in my bedroom.
22:58 <DrJoeTron> ever spin something so fast that it vibrates?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> thats the sound this thing makes
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, don't fans always vibrate?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> like friction loud
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's not good. Probably a fan going bad then.
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22:59 <DrJoeTron> i think if you just put some oil it might be better
22:59 <DrJoeTron> but still
22:59 <DrJoeTron> usually i would stop the fan and have it go again and it would be ok
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have a couple of celeron fans laying around
22:59 <DrJoeTron> yeah sao itl be no problem
22:59 <DrJoeTron> i have alot of white noise in this room :p
22:59 <DrJoeTron> my pc doubles as a sweet lawnmower
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I keep threatening to turn my push mower into a robot lawnmower after I take my electronics class. :)
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of whiches, I'm going to sign up for fencing in the spring!
23:00 <Durka> First time on trying this IRC thingee...just downloaded it...looks cool
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I checked out Texas A&M, and they want 2 credit hours of KINE classes. Don't care what as along as it's physical activity.
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> They'll take fencing as transfer credit from the community college. So now I have justification to take fencing and have financial aid pay for it. :)
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> HI Durka
23:02 * Lucifer_arma wonders if "sex with my wife" counts as KINE credit
23:02 <DrJoeTron> 2 ram slots btw
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> um, is there ram in it? ;)
23:02 <DrJoeTron> nah :/
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> my ram is not-so-good. Maybe works, maybe doesn't, only one way to find out, and all my motherboards are trash so I haven't found out
23:03 <DrJoeTron> now you will!
23:03 <DrJoeTron> and Sd ram is what? cheaper than toilet paper?
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> hell, go to the junkyard and they just give it to you
23:03 <DrJoeTron> ok
23:03 <DrJoeTron> 2 die ports
23:03 <DrJoeTron> ide**
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's not entirely true, you have to buy something
23:03 <DrJoeTron> 1 flopper
23:03 * Durka says hi to Luci
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> floppy?!?!?
23:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> you can keep that if you want :) heh
23:04 <DrJoeTron> i already took it out
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have any floppy disks. Instead, I have a pile of floppy drives in my garage.
23:04 <DrJoeTron> i have like 6 in my pin
23:04 <DrJoeTron> bin
23:04 <DrJoeTron> *
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> I want to figure out how to make them into speakers, like that guy that used hard drive discs as speakers.
23:04 <DrJoeTron> the only thing comming to you is a mobo, cpu and case
23:05 <DrJoeTron> and a speaker so you can hear that rad "blip" sound
23:05 <DrJoeTron> unles i already took it out
23:05 * Lucifer_arma disconnects the internal speakers
23:05 <DrJoeTron> i like having one
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> always. No telling when some kid will run over and reset the computer, and the damn things are loud!
23:05 <DrJoeTron> i need them
23:06 <DrJoeTron> especially whenever i over clock this sucker
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> hang on to it then, if you want to bother popping open the case to take it out
23:06 <DrJoeTron> i need to hear the "BAAAAAAAAAAA" when it fails
23:06 <DrJoeTron> the case is completely dismantled
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh. never overclocked, myself. I'm a little conservative when it comes to that sort of thing.
23:06 <DrJoeTron> athlon xp's beg for it
23:07 <DrJoeTron> infact you can hard mod a duron
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> only one I got is in a laptop
23:07 <DrJoeTron> witha penic ;d
23:07 <DrJoeTron> pencil*
23:07 <DrJoeTron> i guess there is a laser enscribed part on the cpu that says L2
23:08 <DrJoeTron> if you pencil it out, Bam, you have a athlon xp
23:08 <DrJoeTron> and you get the rest of your L2 cache
23:08 <DrJoeTron> but uh...might wanna use something other than stock cooling
23:09 <DrJoeTron> its real easy to over clock an xp, but they crave to be cool
23:09 <DrJoeTron> which is why mine sounds like a lawnmower
23:09 <DrJoeTron> because theres 4 fans
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just stick a garden hose inside the case
23:09 <DrJoeTron> nah, get that oil
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I'll make my daughter stand there with one of those chinese paper fans
23:10 <DrJoeTron> super overclock and chop up some taters, and stickem in
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23:10 <Lucifer_arma> ah oh
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> my 3 year old just put a backpack on and is chasing the door
23:10 <DrJoeTron> i just lost the cap to my hot sauce
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> he wants to go to class with his mom :(
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's taking 6 credit hours this semester
23:12 <DrJoeTron> im taking 13 i think
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's it?
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm taking 14 :)
23:12 <DrJoeTron> im taking 1 above the minimum for full time
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> next semester, I'm taking fencing!
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23:12 <DrJoeTron> hah i saw
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> 12 is full-time for fafsa
23:12 <DrJoeTron> lot of my friends did
23:12 <DrJoeTron> ok there we go
23:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:12 <DrJoeTron> i love my schedule
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'm really excited that I get to take fencing. :)
23:13 <DrJoeTron> back in high school we had fencing
23:13 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: Lucifer_arma: servers don't need video cards (reminder)
23:13 <DrJoeTron> we went over that he doesnt need a video card
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23:13 * Lucifer_arma shows luke-jr_ the motherboard that won't even start up without a vid card
23:14 <DrJoeTron> i dont think you'll need one
23:14 <DrJoeTron> i dont remember too much from my trials with this clunker
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> nah, if it's got onboard video, it just needs to get a console, no fancy graphics needed
23:14 <DrJoeTron> you'll be good
23:14 <DrJoeTron> so yeah
23:14 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm sure you could figure out a BIOS firmware hack if it was needed ;p
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> and I can toss in my pci vid card if I need to, check the BIOS to see if I can make it boot without a vid card.... :)
23:14 <DrJoeTron> so your getting a mobo, cpu, and a super rad case
23:15 <DrJoeTron> you dont need one
23:15 <DrJoeTron> however
23:15 <DrJoeTron> hey
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I could plug my daughter in it and have her draw the video for me
23:15 <DrJoeTron> got any spare cd drives past 1999? :D
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, not exactly. I'm a little short on working cd drives.
23:15 <DrJoeTron> damn
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I waited 30 minutes for Kubuntu's liveCD to boot because of the cd drive I'm reduced to right now
23:16 <DrJoeTron> i think i have a more recent one i can pull out of something
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> but this shouldn't be a problem either, it just has to boot gentoo's live cd and do enough compiling to put a ssh server on it. I can handle the rest over the wire.
23:16 <DrJoeTron> or i can just pull the one out of my pc now and just stick it in so ican load the OS on to the new lobster cage
23:17 <DrJoeTron> how about wireless network card?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> don't put yourself out over a cd drive. :) I'm in bad enough shape to justify an emergency purchase, I just haven't gone and done it yet. Some emergency.
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> is it fast wireless or slow wireless?
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> er, actually I need to know the chipset before I can give an answer to that
23:17 <DrJoeTron> its gonna be a server so probably fast preferrably
23:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: not even that, network boot =p
23:18 <DrJoeTron> its an intel mobo
23:18 <luke-jr_> Gentoo's LiveCD requires a video display
23:18 <luke-jr_> unless they recently changed that
23:18 <luke-jr_> a network install, however, could be done without a video display or CD drive ;)
23:18 <DrJoeTron> the new server is gonna be on a 1.8ghz P4, 512ram and 20gig hdd
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't think I'd put the wireless card in the backup server, something tells me to use a real wire for that
23:19 <luke-jr_> heh
23:19 <DrJoeTron> nah this is gonna be the perma-server
23:19 * Lucifer_arma thinks he lost track of part of the conversation now, heh
23:19 <luke-jr_> wireless is pointless for non-laptops, IMO
23:19 <DrJoeTron> well i mean if its wireless G, and armagetron theres going to be prettly little packet loss
23:20 <luke-jr_> latency
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> depends on quite a few factors. I don't have problems with my laptop. :)
23:20 <DrJoeTron> especially when its less than 2ft fromt he router
23:20 <DrJoeTron> also it needs to be wireless because theres no choice but to be wireless
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it should work fine there
23:20 <luke-jr_> wireless always has higher latency than wired, I think
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> nah. not that I've noticed anyway
23:20 <luke-jr_> why does it need to be wireless?
23:21 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: for Arma? =p
23:21 <DrJoeTron> dont have any free wired ports
23:21 <luke-jr_> Arma is a lot pickier about latency than anything else
23:21 <DrJoeTron> theres 2
23:21 <DrJoeTron> im using one
23:21 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: add a switch?
23:21 <luke-jr_> use SLIP?
23:21 <DrJoeTron> SLIP?
23:21 <luke-jr_> SLIP might add latency too tho
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I'm just talking out my ass. I've never really played arma or run a server on this laptop I guess.
23:21 <luke-jr_> network over serial line, more or less
23:21 <DrJoeTron> it would be easier just to go wireless
23:22 <DrJoeTron> i have a modem/router
23:22 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: make the non-server wireless
23:22 <DrJoeTron> good call, but still need the card :p
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's actually the model I want to move towards, making the desktops wireless and the servers wired
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> but since I have a total of 2 runnin computers right now, desktop/server are ambiguous terms
23:22 * luke-jr_ would wire anything but a laptop
23:23 <DrJoeTron> see also
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe you should come over here and run the cat-5 for me then
23:23 <DrJoeTron> im wired
23:23 * luke-jr_ has 4 computers running (not incl router)
23:23 <DrJoeTron> but through USB
23:23 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I don't do fancy wiring =p
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'd rather spend my time putting bigger antennae on my router than wiring cat-5
23:23 <luke-jr_> I'd rather wire cat-6
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe you will appreciate a good, professional wiring job when your kid gets a bit bigger
23:23 <luke-jr_> wireless gets flooded if too many computers use it
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> kid goes to the hospital when he chews on the wires
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> what's worse?
23:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, I'm planning to do a professional wiring job-- just after we move, and I don't do the wall sockets =p
23:24 <DrJoeTron> my dads computer is through wireless
23:24 <luke-jr_> why would he go to the hospital? not like there's power in cat6 =p
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got better things to do with my time than wire up a rental house, thank you. :)
23:24 <DrJoeTron> and then occasionaly my DS
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> because plastic is toxic?
23:24 <luke-jr_> =p
23:25 <luke-jr_> it is?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> because swallowing little plastic bits is bad for you?
23:25 <DrJoeTron> i would think its just fiber
23:25 <luke-jr_> the outside layer is plastic I think
23:25 * Lucifer_arma notes his youngest of 3 is 3, he's been through all this before--3 times!
23:25 <luke-jr_> fiber is really just for optical stuff, isn't it? not cat-5/6
23:25 <DrJoeTron> start feeding your kids!
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, it's about time to cook dinner
23:26 <luke-jr_> or is plastic made of fiber? O.o
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> but nah, kids chew on shit, doesn't matter if they're hungry or not
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> especially when they're teething, and my 6yo is growing new teeth so he's going through a second phase of chewing on shit :/
23:27 <DrJoeTron> i still chew on shit
23:27 <DrJoeTron> im a manimal ;d
23:27 <DrJoeTron> like water bottle caps and what not
23:27 <luke-jr_> ...
23:28 <luke-jr_> I eat nails
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> I chew dog-jerky
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's like beef jerky, but it's homemade. Much better that way.
23:31 <luke-jr_> PCI cards are yummy
23:31 <DrJoeTron> so are celerons
23:31 <DrJoeTron> am numumum
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> alright, I'm 3 for 3 now. All of my kids are mad at me.
23:32 <DrJoeTron> i feast on teh megahurtz
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I did set out to make them mad at me. It's the only way to get them back down to earth when the get out of control
23:32 * Lucifer_arma is going to go cook dinner now, bbiab
23:34 <DrJoeTron> ttfn
23:34 <luke-jr_> anyone know wtf binutils 2.17.50.0.3 is?
23:38 <DrJoeTron> nope!
23:43 <spidey> it's DrJoeTron
23:43 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_
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23:44 <deja_vu_> spidey: :)
23:44 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
23:45 <deja_vu> how are you? :P
23:46 <DrJoeTron> you cant prove its me
23:53 <DrJoeTron> war rock anyone?
23:58 <spidey> :p
23:58 <spidey> sure
23:58 <spidey> me
23:58 <spidey> in a minute
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00:01 <spidey> DrJoeTron, DrJoeTron DrJoeTron DrJoeTron DrJoeTron DrJoeTron DrJoeTron
00:01 <DrJoeTron> pong?
00:01 <spidey> warrock?
00:03 <DrJoeTron> 2 seconds
00:05 <DrJoeTron> ko
00:05 <DrJoeTron> i want vehicles
00:06 <spidey> 'er
00:06 <spidey> i hate vehicles, people always hide in the tanks
00:07 <DrJoeTron> nah
00:07 <DrJoeTron> bigger map
00:07 <DrJoeTron> thats why you dont do infantry
00:07 <DrJoeTron> because of that soul reason
00:07 <DrJoeTron> because people hide in the tanks
00:08 <DrJoeTron> this one people gotta huff it
00:08 <spidey> no?
00:08 <DrJoeTron> cause the maps are huge
00:08 <DrJoeTron> trust me
00:08 <spidey> they can hide in tanks, because there's tons of them
00:08 <DrJoeTron> being heavy arms or sniper is a paradise for that
00:08 <spidey> i can kill choppers with my sniper though :D
00:08 <DrJoeTron> exactly
00:08 <DrJoeTron> so lets do vehicles
00:09 <spidey> argh
00:09 <spidey> ok, fine
00:09 <DrJoeTron> server 1
00:09 <spidey> teamspeak?
00:10 <DrJoeTron> nah
00:10 <DrJoeTron> that was kind of useless
00:10 <DrJoeTron> you can if you want
00:10 <DrJoeTron> im in it
00:10 <spidey> :d
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00:17 <luke-jr_> rofl
00:17 <luke-jr_> Debian i386 won't run on an i386 =p
00:17 <luke-jr_> it's compiled for i486 or higher
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00:19 <luke-jr_> [dlh]: Debian's "i386" release is compiled for i486 or higher =p
00:20 <[dlh]> hmm?
00:24 <luke-jr_> I just find it funny that the "i386" release won't work on a real i386
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01:21 <Lucifer_arma> still no new wiki spam :)
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02:13 <groundpig> hi
02:30 <DrJoeTron> hullo thar
02:31 <spidey> joe
02:31 <spidey> warrock?
02:31 <DrJoeTron> nah not right now
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02:42 <spidey> GodTodd,
02:44 <GodTodd> spidey,
02:47 <spidey> GodTodd,
02:47 <GodTodd> spidey,
02:47 <spidey> GodTodd,
02:47 <GodTodd> spidey,
02:47 <spidey> me,
02:48 <GodTodd> you,
02:48 <spidey> him,
02:48 <GodTodd> her,
02:48 <spidey> it,
02:48 <GodTodd> it,
02:48 <spidey> i already said that
02:48 <GodTodd> yeah....but what's the opposite?
02:48 <GodTodd> :P
02:49 <spidey> o.o
02:49 <GodTodd> O.O
02:49 <GodTodd> O.o
02:49 <GodTodd> o.)
02:50 <GodTodd> o.O
02:52 <spidey> you having fun? ;p
02:57 <spidey> DrJoeTron, gimme voice beotch
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03:01 <Durka> hi
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> the opposite of it is it
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> as in "if this is it please let me know. If this ain't love you gotta let me go!"
03:16 * Lucifer_arma is really sleepy
03:18 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh you're a girl, and I'm a boy, opposites attract, waaa-aaaa-ooooo-ooooo-oh-oh-oh"
03:21 <GodTodd> heh
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03:31 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/manta/multi_team_fortress-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
03:37 <DrJoeTron> Bring The Noise!
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04:35 * spidey wants vanhayes to come help him pwn these warrock guys :(
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05:08 <spidey> mom
05:08 <spidey> come play warrock :p
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> bah
05:14 <Your_mom_arma> how large is it and do you still need to register?
05:15 <spidey> yes and 270mb
05:15 <spidey> plus a 68mb patch
05:18 <spidey> ddamn it
05:25 <spidey> full of campers though
05:28 <groundpig> i'm trying to figure out how i should release the next sty patch, can anyone give me some advice?
05:30 <groundpig> for the last one, i got the 0.2.8.2 branch on subversion, and made a patch based on my changes from that
05:36 <groundpig> since then, 0.2.8.2.1 source was released on sourceforge - should i do the same thing i did last time to make patches compatible with that?
05:37 <spidey> i love my sniper rifle
05:38 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=86981#86981
05:38 <Your_mom_arma> made me laugh
05:42 <spidey> el oh el
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05:52 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
05:52 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:52 <groundpig> pong sounds fun, maybe that will be the next sty
05:52 <DrJoeTron> hey whats happening
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> already thought of that after the first soccer sty
05:53 <DrJoeTron> you already did it dint you?
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> no but i already have it planned out in my minf
05:53 <groundpig> i agree, Your_mom_arma already thought of that
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> mind
05:54 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
05:56 <spidey> joe!
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> okay, made the map pngsty already
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> pongsty
06:09 <groundpig> ha
06:10 <groundpig> any ideas on how it would be exciting to play?
06:11 <Your_mom_arma> it'll play similar to soccersty except theres a wall in the middle
06:11 <Your_mom_arma> and theres goal zones up and down both sides
06:11 <groundpig> and somehow, the zones will know that that wall is ok to go through :B)
06:11 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
06:11 <groundpig> maybe possible with zones V2, not sure
06:12 <Your_mom_arma> i wish i didnt waste that 10 minutes making the map then
06:12 <groundpig> my patch blindly kills or bounces zones on walls
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder if zones v2 has time realeased points or if thats possible
06:20 <groundpig> don't think it has it, but its a good idea
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> combine that with your flag zone for king of the hill
06:21 <groundpig> not familiar with king of the hill
06:21 <spidey> joeeeeeeeeeee
06:22 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Hill_%28game%29
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> using points instead of a time limit
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> so when you have the flag in the time realease point zone you slowly work your way to winning the match
06:24 <groundpig> and only one flag total instead of one per team?
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
06:24 <spidey> ok
06:24 <spidey> i'm addicted to warrock
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> it would be free for all although team play would be possible
06:25 <groundpig> what is the time release part of it?
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> so you would have to be in controll of the flag for x amount of time
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> win enough points to win the match by holding the flag the longest
06:27 <groundpig> holding the flag the longest inside your base zone?
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> could you rig it so the flag gives out points over time?
06:28 <groundpig> of course
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> mabey 5 points for 20 seconds
06:29 <groundpig> could govern that by a couple of configs
06:29 <groundpig> SCORE_FLAG is already there
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see it on a round map
06:30 <groundpig> FLAG_BASE_HOLD_TIME
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> only problem i see is people figuring out how to grab the flag faster then me
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> solution killing them in 20 seconds
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> auto respawn would be good as well on that kind of server
06:32 <groundpig> FLAG_MAX_HOLD_TIME
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> there shouldnt be a limit
06:33 <groundpig> limit would only be so i could implement CTF with the same code
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> ah
06:33 <groundpig> sounds fun
06:33 <groundpig> CTF is getting kind of old anyway
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> dont tell that to vision
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> that guys creeps me out
06:34 <groundpig> agreed
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> luci any ideas on this king of the hill idea?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> no, sorry. I'm going to bed, I'm falling asleep just sitting here
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> cya later i guess
06:37 <DrJoeTron> ta ta
06:37 <DrJoeTron> il get that stuff ready to ship later this week
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:38 <DrJoeTron> im sending lucifer a mobo, case, 450mhz celeron
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> a p3 based one?
06:38 <DrJoeTron> nah
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right. I'll pm you my address real quick
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> ok, pmd
06:40 * Lucifer_arma is going to sleep before he falls down
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> #night
06:40 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
06:40 <DrJoeTron> buh?
06:40 <DrJoeTron> i got nothing
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:40 <DrJoeTron> im not registered here
06:40 <DrJoeTron> you have my AIM sn right?
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> the forums
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> forums is where I'm trying to send
06:41 <DrJoeTron> OH
06:41 <DrJoeTron> :p sbbp
06:41 <DrJoeTron> ok
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> didja get it?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's not in my sentbox
06:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah i got it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool. thanks, 'night, talk to you again when I have alertness restored
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> #night
06:45 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
06:50 <DrJoeTron> ko
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07:13 <spidey> deja_vu,
07:25 <DrJoeTron> man
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07:28 <spidey> DrJoeTron, !!!
07:28 <DrJoeTron> what
07:28 <spidey> you just left me in that server to get pwned :(
07:28 <DrJoeTron> yup
07:28 <spidey> they're all tank whores
07:28 <DrJoeTron> you wanna get registered for the ts server?
07:29 <spidey> gotta love heavy weapons units
07:29 <spidey> ;x
07:29 <spidey> sure
07:29 <spidey> booyah :D
07:31 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i'm 49% of the way to level up
07:31 <spidey> :D
07:31 <DrJoeTron> heh
07:32 <DrJoeTron> i kind of wanna play Track Mania
07:32 <spidey> what's that?
07:32 <DrJoeTron> racing game
07:32 <DrJoeTron> its like hot wheels
07:32 <spidey> online?
07:32 <DrJoeTron> if they were DX9
07:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:32 <DrJoeTron> www.trackmanianations.com
07:33 <spidey> do i have to sign up?
07:33 <DrJoeTron> not really
07:33 <spidey> omg
07:33 <spidey> stop giving me 250+ mb games -_-
07:33 <DrJoeTron> its 159
07:34 <DrJoeTron> 150*
07:34 <spidey> is not
07:34 <spidey> it's 256mb
07:34 <spidey> well
07:34 <spidey> 265.8
07:34 <DrJoeTron> woah
07:34 <spidey> 13 minutes
07:34 <DrJoeTron> they made it bigger
07:34 <spidey> the next 3gig game you tell me to download, i'ma tell you to shove it :p
07:34 <spidey> wasted all that time!
07:36 <spidey> this one better be just as good as warrock :p
07:36 <spidey> omg
07:37 <spidey> 15000 people play this game?
07:38 <DrJoeTron> its a big game ;p
07:38 <DrJoeTron> the races are time attacked based usually
07:38 <DrJoeTron> who ever gets the best time wins
07:38 <DrJoeTron> if you fly off the track, just restart
07:38 <spidey> http://www.trackmania.com/indexUk.php
07:38 <spidey> i want that one
07:38 <DrJoeTron> thats what it pretty muych looks like
07:39 <DrJoeTron> cept free
07:39 <spidey> hmm
07:39 <DrJoeTron> but the life span of TMN
07:39 <DrJoeTron> is like
07:39 <DrJoeTron> 2 weeks you're glued
07:39 <DrJoeTron> and then thats it
07:39 <DrJoeTron> you're good for like 5 monthys
07:39 <spidey> http://www.trackmaniasunrise.com/indexUk.php
07:40 <spidey> that looks cool to
07:40 <DrJoeTron> this one is free
07:40 <spidey> 398mb O.O
07:40 <spidey> i'm getting that one to
07:40 <spidey> gawd, i'ma have to format the linux partition i made, so i can fit all these games
07:40 <spidey> -_-
07:41 <spidey> 5gigs left on F:\
07:41 <spidey> 17gigs on C:\
07:41 <spidey> C:
07:41 <spidey> C:\ is the 111gig drive, lol
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07:42 <spidey> would help if i deleted the 1+gig of setups i got on my desktop from these games :/
07:42 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:42 <DrJoeTron> any of you guys ever play Multivaders?
07:43 <spidey> ??
07:43 <spidey> 6gigs free now :p
07:43 <DrJoeTron> very very low key game
07:43 <spidey> any good?
07:43 <spidey> hahah
07:44 <spidey> get back in there :p
07:44 <DrJoeTron> its space invaders but involving USSR verses USA
07:45 <DrJoeTron> and it involves conquering planets
07:45 <spidey> o.o
07:45 <DrJoeTron> you have to watch out for gravity and atmospheres
07:45 <spidey> link?
07:45 <DrJoeTron> eh, some other time
07:45 <DrJoeTron> no one plays it
07:45 <spidey> lol
07:45 <DrJoeTron> download yet?
07:46 <spidey> 42seconds
07:46 <spidey> i wanna download sunrise to
07:46 <spidey> installing
07:47 <spidey> stop that :p
07:47 <spidey> you're gonna wake my uncle up
07:47 <spidey> #google McSpiddles
07:47 <armabot> spidey: Search took 0.26 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://armagetronad.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
07:48 <spidey> almost done
07:49 <spidey> shit
07:49 <spidey> DX9c
07:49 <spidey> -_-
07:49 <spidey> you know the link to the offline installer?
07:49 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:49 <DrJoeTron> let me find a site
07:49 <spidey> i thought halo gave me dx9c ...
07:49 <DrJoeTron> c is the newest
07:50 <spidey> ya
07:50 <DrJoeTron> i usually get it from hl2
07:50 <spidey> bah
07:51 <DrJoeTron> torrent it
07:51 <DrJoeTron> :p
07:51 <spidey> -_-
07:51 <spidey> torrents suck for me
07:51 <DrJoeTron> shut up and get what you pay for
07:51 <DrJoeTron> nothing
07:52 <spidey> i pay for my internet and torrents are on the internet
07:52 <spidey> :p
07:52 <DrJoeTron> you pay for access to the internet
07:52 <spidey> exactly
07:52 <spidey> that includes access to torrents
07:52 <DrJoeTron> not its contents
07:53 <DrJoeTron> http://www.softwarepatch.com/windows/directx.html
07:54 <spidey> hahaha
07:54 <spidey> my copy of windows is pirated, yet i get my validation code
07:54 <spidey> 5W4G3P6
07:54 <spidey> :D
07:54 <DrJoeTron> thats not too uncommon
07:55 <Durka> How do you make a server stats page? lol i know this is random and im interupting a conversation and you don't have to answer me and I should post this on the forums and I don't really want to make this now and at this point I don't know why I'm still typing and...
07:55 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com
07:55 <spidey> like that?
07:57 <spidey> first
07:57 <spidey> what os is the server running on, windows or linux?
07:58 <Durka> are u talking to me?
07:59 <spidey> bah
07:59 <spidey> #last --nolimit
07:59 <Durka> no more like this http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/ladders.php
07:59 <spidey> stupid dx9 made me restart :(
07:59 <armabot> spidey: [07:59:09] <spidey> bah, [07:58:29] <Durka> are u talking to me?, [07:57:10] <spidey> what os is the server running on, windows or linux?, [07:56:59] <spidey> first, [07:55:13] <spidey> like that?, [07:55:09] <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com, [07:54:56] <Durka> How do you make a server stats page? lol i know this is random and im interupting a conversation and you don't have to answer me and I should post (50 more messages)
07:59 <spidey> yes i was talking to you :p
07:59 <DrJoeTron> sucker
07:59 <DrJoeTron> ready?
08:00 <spidey> sec
08:00 <DrJoeTron> make sure you are signed up for america
08:00 <spidey> how...
08:00 <Durka> did u see this one: http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/ladders.php
08:00 <spidey> thought you said i didn't have to sign up!!!
08:00 <DrJoeTron> you will see
08:00 <DrJoeTron> you dont
08:00 <DrJoeTron> but its a wolrd game
08:00 <Durka> it has whos playing now and all that good stuff LOL
08:00 <DrJoeTron> you have to select your country
08:00 <spidey> Durka, yes, all that is, is a include of the logs with formatting
08:00 <Durka> how do u get the logs of whos playing
08:01 <spidey> yes, all they did was <?php include('/home/username/.armagetronad/var/LOGNAMEHERE'); ?>
08:01 <spidey> then added formating
08:01 <Durka> there is no LOGNAMEHERE file
08:01 <Durka> im confused
08:01 <spidey> ....
08:02 <spidey> ugh
08:02 <Durka> lol
08:02 <Durka> i have pc
08:02 <Durka> windows
08:02 <spidey> replace lognamehere with the name of the log
08:02 <spidey> like
08:02 <spidey> say
08:02 <Durka> ladder.txt
08:02 <spidey> wonmatches.txt
08:02 <spidey> yes
08:02 <spidey> ohh
08:02 <spidey> you're on windows
08:02 <Durka> ya but how do u put
08:02 <Durka> the players online at the moment
08:02 <spidey> :/
08:02 <Durka> and it shows their scores
08:02 <Durka> what log is that
08:02 <Durka> not ladder.txt
08:02 <spidey> sec
08:02 <Durka> or wonroudns.txt
08:03 <spidey> players.txt?
08:03 <spidey> :p
08:03 <Durka> and what if the ladder and that stuff is online
08:03 <Durka> not on my computer
08:03 <Durka> the steam team is hosting it
08:03 <Durka> http://steam-machine.sytes.net/armastats/lol/statsxml.php
08:04 <Durka> thats the xml feed
08:04 <Durka> ok ya players.txt works lol im so dumb
08:04 <spidey> :p
08:04 <Durka> so would I put
08:05 <DrJoeTron> spidey lets go D-bag, i dont have all night
08:05 <spidey> here
08:05 <spidey> hold on joe :p
08:05 <spidey> durka
08:05 <spidey> use thisa
08:05 <Durka> <?php include(http://steam-machine.sytes.net/armastats/lol/statsxml.php),?>
08:05 <spidey> <center>
08:05 <spidey> Players Online:
08:05 <spidey> <pre><?php include('$HOME/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/players.txt'); ?></pre>
08:05 <spidey> </center>
08:05 <spidey> no, that's a rss feed
08:06 <spidey> ok joe
08:06 <spidey> gimme voice :p
08:06 <DrJoeTron> dont need to
08:06 <Durka> that wont work spidey
08:06 <spidey> ?
08:06 <DrJoeTron> i took off moderating
08:08 <Durka> <pre><?php include('$HOME/.armagetronad-dedicated/var/players.txt'); ?></pre>
08:08 <spidey> you'll need to give ./armagetronad-dedicated/var read permissions
08:08 <spidey> then do
08:09 <spidey> hold on
08:09 <spidey> i got a script for remote files
08:09 <spidey> ok
08:09 <spidey> make a players.php on your webserver
08:10 <spidey> put this in it
08:10 <spidey> <?php
08:10 <spidey> $fp = fopen('http://steam-machine.sytes.net/armastats/lol/players.txt', 'r');
08:10 <spidey> if (!$fp) {
08:10 <spidey> echo 'Could not open file players.txt';
08:10 <spidey> }
08:10 <spidey> while (false !== ($char = fgetc($fp))) {
08:10 <spidey> echo "$char";
08:10 <spidey> }
08:10 <spidey> ?>
08:10 <spidey> then give ./armagetronad-dedicated/var read permissions
08:10 <spidey> then <?php include('players.php'); ?>
08:10 <Durka> the files arent in my var folder
08:11 <spidey> in the page you want the online players to show
08:11 <Durka> they are on the web
08:11 <spidey> well, give the directory they're in read permissions
08:11 <spidey> now i'ma go play trackmania :D
08:12 <Durka> ok ill try to figure it out
08:28 <Durka> g2g bye
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09:30 <spidey> omg
09:30 <spidey> i hate joe
11:03 <deja_vu_> spidey :P
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12:56 <DrJoeTron> i hate me too
12:58 <DrJoeTron> spidey get a better microphone
12:58 <DrJoeTron> or use acids
12:58 <DrJoeTron> he's not using it right?
13:07 <spidey> ugh
13:07 <spidey> i'm using his beotch :p
13:07 <spidey> i lost mine
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13:25 <spidey> jooeeeeeeeeeee
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16:58 <DrJoeTron> what
16:58 <DrJoeTron> you lost your ts info?
16:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ts?
17:00 <DrJoeTron> team speak
17:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
17:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what info can one have there?
17:01 <DrJoeTron> ip address
17:01 <DrJoeTron> password
17:01 <DrJoeTron> this is more directed towards spidey
17:01 <luke-jr_> spidey: only an idiot would include a non-HTML/PHP file
17:11 <DrJoeTron> classtime bonanza!
17:11 <DrJoeTron> bb around 5?
17:11 <DrJoeTron> cdt
17:42 * wrtlprnft should really use some nice nicks on spidey's server
17:42 <wrtlprnft> first place: <?php/*
17:43 <wrtlprnft> 2nd place: */include(/*
17:43 <wrtlprnft> 3rd place: */'/etc/'.*/
17:43 <wrtlprnft> 4th place: */'passwd');?>
17:44 <wrtlprnft> err
17:44 <wrtlprnft> 3rd place: */'/etc/'./*
17:56 <luke-jr_> =p
17:56 <luke-jr_> who cares for /etc/passwd
17:57 <luke-jr_> just wait for him to show chat logs on his site
17:57 <luke-jr_> :)
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19:24 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: trying to test some stylesheet for the wiki? Can you enable user style sheets? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles#General
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: scratch the first “?”
19:35 <spidey> luke-jr_, kiss my ass
19:49 <spidey> if you wanna talk about safe, masking the password when someone types it in chat on tron, isn't exactly safe
19:49 <spidey> luke-jr_, and the whole point of a host is being able to TRUST that host, if i can't trust you i should feel obligated to cancel my hosting :)
19:51 <luke-jr_> spidey: um, *anyone* can abuse the holes, not just me
19:52 <luke-jr_> anyone can play on your server with a name like <b>foo</b>
19:52 <luke-jr_> or worse, wrtlprnft's names
19:52 <spidey> wrtl's won't work
19:52 <luke-jr_> no? why not
19:52 <spidey> because infront of every name is numbers ( the score ) which comes BEFORE each name
19:53 <luke-jr_> he could just use <?include('/etc/passwd');?> as his full namme
19:53 <luke-jr_> or if that's too long, <?phpinfo();?>
19:53 <luke-jr_> actually, his would still work
19:53 <luke-jr_> see /* and */
19:53 <luke-jr_> that makes the score comments
19:53 <spidey> hold on
19:54 <wrtlprnft> that's the whole point of my names
19:54 <luke-jr_> try it. go on your server with the name <?phpinfo();?> and look at the site
19:54 <wrtlprnft> you just can't have any spaces, zeroes or non- ascii chars
19:55 <wrtlprnft> and no identifiers longer than 11 chars
19:55 <wrtlprnft> though you could override that with eval()
19:55 <luke-jr_> eh?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: spaces and 0 are filtered
19:55 <wrtlprnft> space becomes _, 0 becomes o
19:55 <luke-jr_> anyway, the point is that it *is* a serious hole =p
19:55 <wrtlprnft> 1
19:56 <spidey> ok luke
19:56 <spidey> here you go smartass
19:56 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players2
19:56 <spidey> doesn't do nothing but filter the name
19:56 <luke-jr_> what's the name?
19:56 <spidey> <?phpinfo();?>
19:57 <luke-jr_> O.o
19:57 <spidey> now leave me alone :)
19:57 <luke-jr_> weird
19:57 <wrtlprnft> <? isn't enabled on your server it seems
19:57 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what did I do wrong?
19:57 <luke-jr_> you can disable that?
19:57 <wrtlprnft> enable_short_tags or whatever
19:57 <wrtlprnft> try two nicks:
19:57 <wrtlprnft> <?php/*
19:57 <wrtlprnft> and
19:57 <wrtlprnft> */phpinfo();?>
19:57 <spidey> can't
19:57 <spidey> not from the same ip
19:58 <wrtlprnft> make sure the first has a higher score than the 2nd
19:58 <spidey> only 1 person per ip is allowed in
19:58 <luke-jr_> your server doesn't allow multiplayer clients?
19:58 <spidey> no...
19:58 <spidey> neither do
19:58 <wrtlprnft> well, easy for someone to get two ips
19:58 <luke-jr_> well, some people have multiple IPs
19:58 <wrtlprnft> which server is it?
19:58 <spidey> dogfight
19:58 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: join it and do the <?php/* part :)
19:59 <luke-jr_> I can't play and IRC/web at the same time
19:59 <luke-jr_> Arma runs on a seperate vt
19:59 <luke-jr_> have spidey do it =p
20:02 <spidey> there ya go luke
20:02 <spidey> doesn't work either
20:02 <spidey> :)
20:02 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players2
20:02 <spidey> my name isn't even showing
20:04 * luke-jr_ wonders why
20:04 <luke-jr_> it should work...
20:04 <spidey> doesn't
20:04 <luke-jr_> if you view source and put that up, it would...
20:04 <luke-jr_> anyway, it certainly does HTML
20:04 <luke-jr_> use an iframe =p
20:07 <spidey> to many chars
20:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: aaaaaah
20:10 <spidey> all i gotta do is strip < if it's in the front of a name
20:10 <spidey> besides
20:10 <spidey> who's really gonna figure that out?
20:10 <spidey> if they could you think mbc wouldn't have had problems with it?
20:11 <wrtlprnft> well, the MBC site is broken everywhere
20:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: htmlspecialchars() does that for you
20:23 <spidey> we;;
20:23 <spidey> well
20:23 <spidey> not really
20:23 <spidey> while (false !== ($char = htmlspecialchars(fgetc($fp)))) {
20:23 <spidey> echo "$char";
20:23 <spidey> }
20:23 <spidey> ?>
20:23 <spidey> still does it
20:49 <luke-jr_> spidey: or use htmlescape
20:49 <luke-jr_> err
20:49 <luke-jr_> htmlentities
20:49 <luke-jr_> that works too
20:49 <luke-jr_> but seriously, why fgetc?
20:50 <luke-jr_> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.file-get-contents.php
20:55 <spidey> does it matter ?
20:58 <luke-jr_> not much, but fgetc would be the slowest of all options
20:59 <luke-jr_> which could make a DoS attack more practical
20:59 <luke-jr_> eg, someone could just hammer that page to generate lots of CPU usage
21:01 <spidey> that doesn't matter
21:02 <spidey> the httpd and mysql process already spike
21:02 <luke-jr_> well, seeing that you're the only one with DoS problems lately... =p
21:02 <spidey> sometimes they randomly fight for cpu cycle
21:02 <spidey> -_-
21:02 <spidey> luke-jr_, yes on my home connection
21:03 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=players2
21:03 <spidey> does fread make you happy?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: don't use htmlentities if your page's encoding isn't messed up
21:05 <wrtlprnft> use htmlspecialchars
21:05 <spidey> printf "htmlspecialchars($char)";
21:06 <spidey> it didn't work -_-
21:06 <spidey> wait
21:06 <spidey> bah
21:06 <spidey> i'm going back to bed
21:07 <wrtlprnft> ?!
21:07 <wrtlprnft> don't put quotes around it?
21:07 * wrtlprnft still doesn't get what's wrong with print(htmlspecialchars(file_get_contents('players.txt')));…
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person or organization
21:10 <wrtlprnft> obtaining a copy of the software and accompanying documentation covered by
21:10 <wrtlprnft> this license (the "Software") to use, reproduce, display, distribute,
21:10 <wrtlprnft> execute, and transmit the Software, and to prepare derivative works of the
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Software, and to permit third-parties to whom the Software is furnished to
21:10 <wrtlprnft> do so, all subject to the following:
21:10 <wrtlprnft> The copyright notices in the Software and this entire statement, including
21:10 <wrtlprnft> the above license grant, this restriction and the following disclaimer,
21:10 <wrtlprnft> must be included in all copies of the Software, in whole or in part, and
21:10 <wrtlprnft> all derivative works of the Software, unless such copies or derivative
21:10 <wrtlprnft> works are solely in the form of machine-executable object code generated by
21:10 <wrtlprnft> a source language processor.
21:10 <wrtlprnft> is that gpl2 compatible?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: luke-jr_
21:17 <spidey> wow.....
21:18 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test.php
21:18 <spidey> search for "log"
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Warning: fopen(ftp://...@69.41.171.42/69.41.171.42_port_23075/logs): failed to open stream: FTP server reports 550 The system cannot find the file specified. in /home/acid/public_html/spidey/get.php on line 4
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Warning: feof(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/acid/public_html/spidey/get.php on line 5
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Warning: fgetss(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/acid/public_html/spidey/get.php on line 7
21:19 <wrtlprnft> Warning: eregi(): REG_EMPTY in /home/acid/public_html/spidey/get.php on line 8
21:19 <wrtlprnft> and that repeats
21:20 <spidey> over and over :D
21:20 <wrtlprnft> nothing new
21:20 <wrtlprnft> happens
21:20 <spidey> :(
21:20 <spidey> this ftp thing is annoyign
21:20 <spidey> :<
21:20 <wrtlprnft> happened to me countless times
21:24 <spidey> i think that broke the httpd process
21:24 <spidey> >:|
21:28 <spidey> ....
21:28 <spidey> i really do suck at php
21:28 <spidey> Warning: fwrite(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/acid/public_html/spidey/get.php on line 3
21:28 <spidey> fwrite(STDOUT,$result); what's wrong with that?
21:29 <wrtlprnft> umm
21:29 <wrtlprnft> it's not define if you run it from inside apache
21:29 <wrtlprnft> *defined
21:29 <wrtlprnft> mod_php doesn't write to stdout
21:33 <spidey> i give up -_-
21:34 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what you wanna do...
21:35 <wrtlprnft> fwrite(STDOUT, …) is equivalent to print(…)
21:35 <spidey> <?php
21:35 <spidey> $ftplog = shell_exec('ftp://@69.41.171.42/69.41.171.42_port_23075/logs | grep -w "^log-*"');
21:35 <spidey> fwrite($result);
21:35 <spidey> exit(0);
21:35 <spidey> ?>
21:35 <spidey> that explain what i'm trying to do?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> no
21:38 <spidey> 'er
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ftp:// isn't a valid command
21:39 <spidey> ok
21:40 <spidey> the soldatserver starts a new log everytime it restarts, like the script you made for irssi , i need a script that downloads anything with log-*.txt *being a wildcard
21:40 <spidey> and it's ftp only
21:41 <wrtlprnft> $handle = opendir('ftp://@69.41.171.42/69.41.171.42_port_23075/logs/');
21:41 <wrtlprnft> while(($filename = readdir($handle)) !== false) {
21:42 <wrtlprnft> print(file_get_contents('ftp://@69.41.171.42/69.41.171.42_port_23075/logs/' . $filename));
21:42 <wrtlprnft> }
21:42 <wrtlprnft> will print out all files in that dir
21:42 <wrtlprnft> you can do the matching yourself
21:43 <spidey> if that works i'ma be mad
21:43 <wrtlprnft> if you have php5 it should
21:45 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/spidey/get.php
21:45 <spidey> o.o
21:45 <spidey> PHP version 4.4.2
21:46 <spidey> i'ma ask my host if he'll upgrade it
21:46 <spidey> but he's not online
21:46 * spidey rolls eyes
21:47 <wrtlprnft> grr
21:47 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me how to make SDL report utf8 characters that are not in latin-1
21:50 <wrtlprnft> …
22:05 <spidey> #check jursaic
22:05 <armabot> spidey: jurassic
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #check wtf
22:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #check w00t
22:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
22:08 <spidey> ...
22:08 <spidey> those aren't words
22:08 <wrtlprnft> …
22:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hey
22:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i just need attention ><
22:08 <spidey> do you know what woot means? :p
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's an expression of hapiness or something
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
22:09 <spidey> no
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> at least i use it that way
22:09 <spidey> "we owned other team"
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
22:10 <spidey> what?
22:11 <spidey> i'ma go watch jurassic park and wait for my 100th movie to finish downloading
22:13 <spidey> how many final destination movies are there
22:18 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: looks like BSDv2
22:20 <luke-jr_> "we own the other team"-- close enough =p
22:28 <spidey> mkzelda, mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda
22:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: can be included in arma or not is the question ;)
22:31 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_
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22:42 <wrtlprnft> “YAY!”
22:48 <deja_vu_> spidey: spidey spidey
22:48 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_
22:48 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
22:48 <deja_vu> spidey: spidey spidey
22:49 <spidey> deja_vu, deja_vu deja_vu
22:49 <deja_vu> spidey: spidey spidey
22:49 <spidey> me. me. me.
22:49 <deja_vu> this is fun :D
22:49 * wrtlprnft just loves the dejavu fonts
22:49 <spidey> lol
22:49 <deja_vu> thanks
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6119 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/ (11 files in 6 dirs):
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - Switched to utf8cpp ( http://utfcpp.sourceforge.net/ ) for utf8<=>utf16 conversions.
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - Converted language files to utf8.
22:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - Input is now treated as utf-8. For some reason you can't input characters not in latin-1 (c.unicode is 0 then), but all characters in the font appear.
22:57 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6120 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/src/render/rFont.cpp: Opps, there was still some test code in there...
22:58 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6121 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/src/render/rFont.cpp: Commented out some std::cerrs that produce too much output
23:18 <spidey> i'll never do that again
23:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I think so, but you might want to check it against FSF's license list
23:53 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what is it?
23:54 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you know there is a semi-standard C library for charset conversions?
23:54 <luke-jr_> in fact, I think on most platforms it's part of libc...
23:55 <luke-jr_> yes, it's part of the UNIX98 standard
23:56 <luke-jr_> man 3 iconv
23:56 <luke-jr_> not the prettiest API, but it shouldn't be too hard to abstract in tString
23:57 <luke-jr_> certainly better than adding yet another dependency
Log from 2006-08-30:
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00:00 <DrJoeTron> mmm
00:00 <DrJoeTron> nachos and cold cheese
00:00 <DrJoeTron> a hearty breakfast/lunch i missed today
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00:28 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Main_Page
00:28 <Marco> hey
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Template:MainMenuBar&rcid=13800
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> hi
00:28 <Marco> anyone can resolve www.kaffee-und-kuchen.ch for me?
00:29 <Marco> hmm?
00:30 <Your_mom_arma> rsolve how?
00:30 <Marco> dns
00:30 <Marco> i need the server IP
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00:36 <Marco> hmm
00:36 <Marco> Your_mom_arma: §
00:36 <Marco> u can?
00:37 <Your_mom_arma> not really
00:37 <Marco> hmm ok
00:37 <Marco> thx
00:42 <DrJoeTron> heya
00:43 <DrJoeTron> Last idea for a song ever....Killed by a troll
00:44 <Your_mom_arma> ;-)
00:44 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:46 <Your_mom_arma> do you know if they picked up the barbarian show kogar or korgath
00:47 <Your_mom_arma> cant remember the name
00:47 <DrJoeTron> i sure hope to god they did
00:47 <DrJoeTron> because god damn that pilot is amazing
00:48 <DrJoeTron> and its Diedrich Bader man!
00:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:52 <luke-jr_> Marco: I could, if it had one
01:26 <spidey> DrJoeTron, warrock?
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02:11 <Your_mom_arma> oops
02:29 <spidey> 100 ping on a server in germany o.o
02:37 <Your_mom_arma> how many major internet backbones are there? i remeber one went out (a year ago?) and i couldnt get to google
02:47 <spidey> dunno
02:47 <spidey> i'm playing the warrock germany server
02:52 <DrJoeTron> isnt cisco systems one of them?
02:56 <spidey> joe
02:56 <spidey> come save me
02:57 <DrJoeTron> are you losing?
02:57 <DrJoeTron> BURN FOR IT!
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:57 <DrJoeTron> again
02:57 <DrJoeTron> im down for track mania
02:58 <DrJoeTron> im not in the mood for moar-cock
02:58 <DrJoeTron> you jumped on that badnwagon too late
02:58 <DrJoeTron> bandwagon*
02:58 <DrJoeTron> i already got to my stop
02:59 <spidey> well
02:59 <spidey> i've got
02:59 <spidey> 2 kills
02:59 <spidey> 1 death
02:59 <spidey> camping owns
02:59 <spidey> :D
02:59 <spidey> i love those big sniper towers
02:59 <Your_mom_arma> smores
03:00 <DrJoeTron> id kill for smores
03:00 <DrJoeTron> im starvin
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> really?
03:00 <DrJoeTron> i havent eaten all day
03:00 <mkzelda> spidey,
03:00 <DrJoeTron> please dont sample the frosting
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> i might cause some mayhem for smores
03:01 <DrJoeTron> its made of....mmmurcery
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> throw some rocks
03:01 <DrJoeTron> you will die
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> we got you just what you wanted
03:01 <Your_mom_arma> disapointment
03:01 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
03:01 <DrJoeTron> i guess nows a good time to start my side band
03:01 <DrJoeTron> ...planet piss
03:02 <Your_mom_arma> just steal another bands name
03:02 <Your_mom_arma> and then put a twist on it
03:02 <spidey> 57%
03:02 <spidey> woohoo
03:02 <spidey> mkzelda,
03:02 <DrJoeTron> anthrash
03:02 <spidey> you gonna play for WS this ladle?
03:03 <Your_mom_arma> Megacuncussion
03:03 <DrJoeTron> sepositura
03:03 <DrJoeTron> mine wasnt too metal
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> yours sounds like a scummy grunge band
03:04 <DrJoeTron> haha
03:04 <Your_mom_arma> Or you could make a sentence into a band name
03:04 <mkzelda> spidey,
03:05 <DrJoeTron> if i wanted to make an emo band
03:05 <DrJoeTron> that is
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> Andthatshowthathappened
03:05 <mkzelda> if emo was a kind of grass it'd cut itself
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> good name for an emo bang
03:05 <DrJoeTron> SoWhenDoITurnRight?
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> band*
03:05 <Your_mom_arma> haha mkzelda
03:05 <spidey> mkzelda, you gonna play with WS this ladle?
03:05 <mkzelda> as long as the times work out, hell ya
03:05 <DrJoeTron> that was cute mkzelda
03:05 <spidey> k
03:06 <Your_mom_arma> mabey add a number
03:06 <mkzelda> If I was a dj, I always wanted to my name to be DJ Tanner
03:06 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, you gonna play for ws this time? :p
03:06 <Your_mom_arma> mercurythebad12
03:06 <DrJoeTron> nah the number thing is over
03:06 <DrJoeTron> didnt sum41 want to change there name to "the sums"
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> look for antibiotics with a cool name
03:07 <mkzelda> I am working a good ableton mixcd release, i think i will release it under the name DJ Tanner
03:07 <DrJoeTron> Aciphex
03:07 <Your_mom_arma> thats metal
03:07 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
03:07 <mkzelda> or DJ Conner
03:07 <mkzelda> but DJ Tanner is funny
03:08 <spidey> DJ Spidey
03:08 <DrJoeTron> its to stop one of your acid pumps in your stomach
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> i wish i didnt get that refrence
03:08 <spidey> i like it ;x
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> nice
03:08 <spidey> joeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
03:08 <DrJoeTron> its on this folding calculator i found
03:09 <spidey> fine, that damned racing thingy i always fly off the track game
03:09 <spidey> what's that called?
03:09 <DrJoeTron> www.trackmanianations.com
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> makes for a good answer to an interview
03:09 <DrJoeTron> haha it does
03:09 <spidey> ok, lets play track mania -_-
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> so howd you get the name
03:09 <DrJoeTron> "well you see..."
03:10 <spidey> i'm outta virtual memory o.o
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> howd you pull that off?
03:11 <DrJoeTron> "there are many rumors behind it, like...like my favorite one was that we got it from when our bassist got this crazy STD from this chick that his ass exploded and made this rad sound" "but in all reality i read it off of one of those cute folding calculators, man those are metal"
03:12 <DrJoeTron> his primary drive is like 12 gig
03:12 <DrJoeTron> thats how he runs out of vm
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> how much ram does he have?
03:12 * Your_mom_arma has 1.3g
03:12 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: I kinda doubt it. Cisco makes the hardware for most, sure, but they don't run it...
03:12 <DrJoeTron> as of now i have 512mb :/
03:12 <DrJoeTron> lemme check
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> 512 +512 +256
03:13 <luke-jr_> spidey: how *did* you pull that off? I thought Windows automatically grew your swap...
03:14 <luke-jr_> #g 512 + 256 + 128
03:14 <armabot> 512 + 256 + 128 = 896
03:14 <luke-jr_> #g 512 + 256 + 128 + 64
03:14 <armabot> 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 = 960
03:14 <luke-jr_> o.o
03:14 <luke-jr_> #g 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1
03:14 <luke-jr_> :)
03:14 <DrJoeTron> im trying to get back to a gig
03:14 <armabot> 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 1,023
03:14 <DrJoeTron> but the bad stick is in the new cage
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> heh
03:15 <luke-jr_> #g 1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1
03:15 <armabot> 1,024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 2,047
03:15 <luke-jr_> #g 2048 + 1024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1
03:15 <armabot> 2,048 + 1,024 + 512 + 256 + 128 + 64 + 32 + 16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 4,095
03:15 <luke-jr_> 4095
03:15 <DrJoeTron> #g 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 + 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999399999999999999999999999999999999999599999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999099999999999999999999999999999999999999
03:15 <armabot> 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 + (1 more message)
03:16 <DrJoeTron> damn i wanted E
03:16 <luke-jr_> #more DrJoeTron
03:16 <armabot> luke-jr_: 99,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,399,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,599,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,099,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 = 1.0 * 10^(242)
03:16 <luke-jr_> haha
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> i think the most i've ever used is about a gig when editing video and messing with 3d tools like blender
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> joe e?
03:16 <DrJoeTron> like on a calculator
03:17 <DrJoeTron> you type 99999999 + 1
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> oh
03:17 <DrJoeTron> :p
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> exponent
03:17 * DrJoeTron prick
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> ?
03:17 <DrJoeTron> probably
03:17 <DrJoeTron> i just figured it was Error
03:17 <DrJoeTron> since it couldnt be added to
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> #g 99^99*99^99
03:18 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:18 <DrJoeTron> haha
03:22 <spidey> awe
03:22 <spidey> i had 7 kills and no deaths
03:22 <spidey> then they kicked me gow being unactived
03:23 <spidey> luke-jr_, it does
03:37 <spidey> 60%
03:37 <spidey> another 40% and i'll level up :D
03:38 <DrJoeTron> track mania spidey
03:40 <spidey> i want my 40%
03:40 <spidey> i love that sniper tower
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> is it the UT tower?
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> I always wanted to start a weird-al yankovic-like metal band called Smartalecka that only did songs from you-know-who
03:45 <DrJoeTron> oh oh! Bjork!
03:45 <DrJoeTron> right?
03:45 <DrJoeTron> :/
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> we'd start with Spit and Lice, move on through some other stuff, then do Enter Sandman unmodified
03:45 <Lucifer_arma> because that song is already as stupid as it can be
03:46 <Lucifer_arma> I walked out of my government class today :)
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> One of the kids had asked a question (that I don't remember) to which the obvious answer (that I gave) was "I put my notes on my website so you can download them later"
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> and the teacher said "no, it's my class, and you need my permission and I'm not giving it". "But they're *my* notes!"
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> "They're derived from my class". He decided he owns my notes that I took in his class and that I can't put them up on my website.
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03:48 <Lucifer_arma> So I walked out. I think I'm going to make a little noise over it, but not too much, it's not worth it, but I think I need a little bit more protest than just walking out and dropping the class
03:50 <DrJoeTron> Fight the Power!
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04:01 <spidey> sdfsdfskljdflk;sdl;kfhslkdhfkjsdhfkjhsdfkjhsdf
04:03 <Durka> spidey: I'm still working on the server stats thing...I'm just gonna have xevi send me a copy of his then change the locations of the documents
04:12 <DrJoeTron> finally someone who wants to play hl2 dm
04:12 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma do you have steam?
04:21 <spidey> steam sucks
04:21 <spidey> it's a 3gig download that don't work :p
04:24 <DrJoeTron> its not 3 gigs
04:24 <DrJoeTron> the game is 3 gigs
04:24 <DrJoeTron> you just have a shitty computer ;)
04:25 <spidey> bullshit
04:25 <spidey> onlything you have that i don't is the video card
04:25 <spidey> beotch
04:25 <DrJoeTron> = shitty
04:25 <DrJoeTron> when it comes to these games
04:26 <spidey> lol
04:26 <DrJoeTron> hl2dm time :D
04:26 <spidey> i'll have a decent gfx card whenever ti return these 2 computers and get paid for fixing them :p
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05:00 * Your_mom_arma doesnt have steam
05:01 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: if you wrote it based on something someone else taught you, still your intelectual property at least in my opinion.
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05:02 <Your_mom_arma> if i wrote a paper about the law of gravity i should be able to distribute it in anyform i desire
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> hey GodTodd
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: did you fix all the broken stuff on the wiki?
05:03 <GodTodd> hey mom
05:30 <spidey> todddddddddddddd
05:33 <GodTodd> spideyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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05:52 <DrJoeTron> vlegh
05:54 <GodTodd> blarg
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> bleh
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05:58 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: "intellectual property" is fiction'
06:00 <DrJoeTron> Intellectual property (IP) is an umbrella term used to refer to the object of a variety of laws, including patent law, copyright law, trademark law, trade secret law, industrial design law, and potentially others. These laws provide exclusive rights to certain parties and many of them implement government-granted monopolies. Copyrights, for example, generally allow only one party to make copies of a work.
06:00 <DrJoeTron> thanks for getting vague wikipedia
06:06 <DrJoeTron> oh no
06:06 <DrJoeTron> there is a pee wee herman movie
06:06 <DrJoeTron> in the works
06:06 <DrJoeTron> another one
06:06 <Your_mom_arma> another one!
06:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:06 <Your_mom_arma> when did this happen
06:06 <Your_mom_arma> wait
06:06 <DrJoeTron> i watched the paul reubans adult swim interviews
06:07 <Your_mom_arma> why did this happen
06:07 <DrJoeTron> the boyz n the hood thing is really ironic
06:07 <DrJoeTron> http://www.adultswim.com/shows/peewee/stuff/interview/index.html
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> its gonna be better then bewitched
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:22 <spidey> duuuuuuuuude
06:22 <spidey> this owns
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> what is a buyer?
06:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah how about that IRC
06:23 <DrJoeTron> buyer?
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> someone who owns
06:24 <DrJoeTron> woah!
06:24 <DrJoeTron> ha cha cha cha cha cha
06:25 <DrJoeTron> I dont need to break in when im in the nim
06:25 <DrJoeTron> y'know what im sayin?
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> are there new episodes of that yet?
06:25 <DrJoeTron> doubt it
06:26 <DrJoeTron> squidbillies is clearly more important
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> :-{
06:27 <DrJoeTron> alright
06:27 <DrJoeTron> i feel like crashing cars over and over
06:27 <DrJoeTron> spidey?
06:27 <spidey> >> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/tehown.JPG
06:28 <spidey> mydesktop
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> burnout?
06:28 <spidey> everything under apps , drives , and games is clickable and the program/game is launchable
06:28 <DrJoeTron> nah track mania
06:29 <DrJoeTron> i really wanna play burnout3 though
06:29 <DrJoeTron> its been enough time
06:29 <DrJoeTron> that and i wanna play through Zone of the Enders 1 and 2
06:29 <DrJoeTron> which should take a whopping 6 hours all together
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:29 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/desktop.txt
06:29 <spidey> =D
06:30 <DrJoeTron> but man
06:30 <DrJoeTron> those games are fun
06:30 <DrJoeTron> every play any of them?
06:31 <DrJoeTron> ever*
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> no
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> is it about robots?
06:31 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
06:31 <DrJoeTron> its by hideo kojima
06:31 <DrJoeTron> so
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> well i've heard of them
06:31 <DrJoeTron> its pretty much Metal Gears
06:31 <DrJoeTron> lots of them
06:32 <DrJoeTron> but with of course the cut scenes that arent needed
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> whats on adult wim now?
06:32 <DrJoeTron> shin chan
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> is this from 1992?
06:32 <spidey> can't hear ya
06:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:32 <DrJoeTron> it is
06:33 <DrJoeTron> this is japans equivalent to calvin and hobbes
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> want some milk? dont worry its not mine
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> pfft
06:33 <DrJoeTron> yeah my thoughts exactly
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> milk gelitin
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> gross
06:34 <DrJoeTron> i hate this show
06:34 <DrJoeTron> but its better than super fucking milk chan
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> i dont hate it but i dont want to watch it
06:35 <DrJoeTron> exactly
06:35 <DrJoeTron> and they are running through FMA again
06:35 <DrJoeTron> i would care about that if i hadnt already downloaded the entire series
06:35 <DrJoeTron> translated movie comes out on dvd soon
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> is the fma movie dubbed and on dvd yet?
06:36 <DrJoeTron> and actually
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> good
06:36 <DrJoeTron> they showed the movie in america in very selected theatres last weekend
06:36 <DrJoeTron> no where near chicago, so i didnt see it
06:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.funimationfilms.com/
06:37 <DrJoeTron> shows a preview
06:37 <DrJoeTron> and where it WAS
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> this dubbing has to be off
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> i eat ramen for breakfast lunch and dinner its just like college without the date rape
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> i hope they didnt show it like this in japan
06:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah i read on this show
06:39 <DrJoeTron> they said half of the slang for this show is impossible to translate
06:39 <DrJoeTron> because we dont speak japanese or ever knew how to
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> seriusly?
06:40 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> who said that?
06:40 <DrJoeTron> so this is a perfect reason why dubbing is crap
06:40 <DrJoeTron> wikipedia
06:40 <DrJoeTron> they gave examples too
06:40 <DrJoeTron> dubbing CAN be crap
06:40 <DrJoeTron> shouldnt say is
06:41 <DrJoeTron> the fma movie looks wild
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> its like someone just asked some guys to make it the wording on the spot
06:43 <DrJoeTron> i heard in the fma movie there are alot of famous people in it
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> the govenator is general briggs gran
06:45 <DrJoeTron> what?
06:45 <DrJoeTron> really?
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:45 <DrJoeTron> lies
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> it would be funny if it was true
06:46 <DrJoeTron> fritz lang
06:46 <DrJoeTron> thats who it was
06:47 <DrJoeTron> he's in the actual movie
06:47 <DrJoeTron> the movie "M" being his biggest one
06:48 <DrJoeTron> with peter lorre
06:48 <DrJoeTron> oh god
06:48 <DrJoeTron> he's gonna be the counter part of king bradley
06:48 <DrJoeTron> thats a shame
06:49 <DrJoeTron> im done reading this
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> heh
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> wow that trailer had a few spoilers i wish i hadnt seen
06:50 <DrJoeTron> the fact that they stand together
06:50 <DrJoeTron> hey man, could be a dream sequence
06:51 <DrJoeTron> the only people ive ever seen stay true to keeping things a secret was for venture bros
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> its just mirrors dont worry
06:52 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
06:52 <DrJoeTron> this has been the longest 22 minutes ever
06:53 <DrJoeTron> because of shin chan
06:53 <DrJoeTron> its almost a chore watching this
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> http://everything.zstore.com/ProductDetail.cfm?IT=3623
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> sept 12
06:54 <DrJoeTron> i would hate to be tech support for funimation
06:55 <DrJoeTron> there is one lupin the3rd movie i wanna see
06:56 <DrJoeTron> simply cause Hayao Miyazaki directed it
06:56 <spidey> DrJoeTron,
06:56 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:56 <spidey> trackmania?
06:56 <DrJoeTron> in a bit
06:56 <spidey> -_-
06:56 <DrJoeTron> the night is young
06:56 <DrJoeTron> what do you have to do tommarow?
06:57 <DrJoeTron> nothing
06:57 <spidey> ugh
06:57 <spidey> i do to...
06:57 <spidey> i have to sleep tomorrow, just like everyday
06:57 <spidey> duh!
06:58 <DrJoeTron> so why did the simpsons win an emmy?
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> because they showed up for 12 years in a row and the comitee felt obligated?
07:00 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4053 :) Whee
07:00 <DrJoeTron> thats a reason
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> page 4 But batman doesnt even have super powers!
07:06 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:07 <DrJoeTron> http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4019 round 1 was way better, its kind of bland in the beginning, and then it turns to gold later on
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07:11 <Your_mom_arma> the captain planet one on page 3 was good
07:13 <DrJoeTron> page 6 is when it gets good
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> too many emo and cancer jokes like all sa
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> but some of it was good
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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07:24 <DrJoeTron> TMN time
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07:26 <DrJoeTron> spidey
07:26 <spidey> ?
07:27 <DrJoeTron> lets do dis
07:27 <spidey> to late, i'm about to watch movies
07:27 <spidey> ;x
07:27 <DrJoeTron> too bads
07:27 <spidey> lol
07:27 <DrJoeTron> we play now
07:27 <DrJoeTron> :D
07:27 <spidey> fix your mic
07:29 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=5041
07:30 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=1671
07:54 <luke-jr_> ...
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09:52 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it isn't on that list
10:08 <wrtlprnft> #base
10:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
10:08 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 11000000
10:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: C0
10:08 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 10000000
10:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 80
10:17 <arctanx> #base 10 7 43
10:17 <armabot> arctanx: 61
10:22 <wrtlprnft> base 2 10 101010
10:22 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 10 101010
10:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 42
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11:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6122 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Normal string editing shouldn't crash anymore now (ie it only works on whole utf-8 sequences and generates valid strings).
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12:14 <Nixda617> test
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12:25 <wrtlprnft> test
12:32 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6123 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/src/render/rFont.cpp: Color codes (old format) are displayed again.
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13:20 <spidey> hmm
13:20 <spidey> how do i list the processes running for a certain user o.o
13:20 <wrtlprnft> uh, run ps and grep it for the username
13:20 <wrtlprnft> or read man ps
13:21 <spidey> and
13:21 <spidey> 17644 acid 15 0 24860 216 132 S 0.0 0.0 261:14 0 soldatserver
13:21 <spidey> why doesn't kill.,kill that
13:21 <wrtlprnft> uh
13:21 <wrtlprnft> kill only sends sigterm
13:21 <wrtlprnft> the program can catch that
13:21 <wrtlprnft> try kill -9 pid
13:22 <wrtlprnft> 9 is SIGKILL which the process can't catch
13:22 <spidey> ah
13:23 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6124 /armagetronad/branches/utf8/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
13:23 <armabot> armagetronad: Tab completion and history work now, at least in most cases.
13:23 <armabot> armagetronad: Added a few extra characters to the font and made use of them in the german and english language file.
13:24 <wrtlprnft> why am i the only one working on that? :s
13:24 <arctanx> because I suck at coding?
13:24 <wrtlprnft> nah, i mean the other devs
13:26 <wrtlprnft> spidey: oh, for extra fun try “kill -9 1” as root
13:27 <spidey> lol
13:27 <spidey> don't have root
13:27 <wrtlprnft> try it on some other machine where you do?
13:27 <arctanx> hmm 1 is init innit?
13:28 <spidey> wrtlprnft, my server is at my mom's, so i don't have root anywhere :p
13:29 <wrtlprnft> armabot: psst
13:29 <wrtlprnft> err
13:29 <wrtlprnft> armabot: psst
13:29 <wrtlprnft> err
13:29 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: psst
13:29 <spidey> 168 processes
13:29 <wrtlprnft> there we go
13:29 <arctanx> hmm?
13:29 <spidey> on a little 1ghz o.o
13:30 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: sup?
13:30 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: don't tell spidey about PID 1 ;)
13:31 <spidey> ...
13:31 <wrtlprnft> this server really needs more ram. it's trashing nonstop
13:31 <spidey> i'm wondering why there's like 30 httpd processes
13:31 <arctanx> wrtlprnft: well you're not supposed to know about it are you? damn spyware...
13:32 <wrtlprnft> spidey: apache is keeping them. everytime someone connects the main process will wake one of them and tell it to handle the request
13:32 <spidey> well
13:33 <spidey> these guys chose a shitty server for a dedicated hosting server
13:33 <wrtlprnft> y?
13:33 <spidey> i need to find a way to convince them to restart it
13:33 <wrtlprnft> for http servers it's mostly the RAM that counts
13:33 <spidey> because it's lagging, pretty bad
13:33 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
13:33 <spidey> 12:34:24 up 67 days, 18:00, 2 users, load average: 4.37, 5.11, 5.43
13:33 <spidey> httpd = 99.7 cpu cycle
13:34 <spidey> then mysql jumps in with 99%
13:34 <wrtlprnft> write more efficient scripts?
13:34 <spidey> i don't use mysql
13:34 <spidey> 1631 mysql 15 0 18248 6324 1632 S 99.9 0.6 2:10 0 mysqld
13:34 <spidey> 7917 root 15 0 2308 128 80 S 87.2 0.0 6056m 0 httpd
13:35 <spidey> how is mysql using 99.9 and httpd using 87.2
13:35 <spidey> it's not my scripts
13:35 <spidey> not unless that ftp one is still looping
13:35 <spidey> :s
13:37 <spidey> well
13:37 <spidey> the scripts don't screw up my local httpd
13:37 <spidey> so it's not me :p
13:38 <spidey> ohhhh
13:38 <spidey> i know how i can force one i think
13:40 <spidey> maybe not
13:40 <spidey> i'll just tell the guy he needs to restart the server after he installed php5
13:40 <spidey> heh
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15:36 <DrJoeTron> alright
15:36 <DrJoeTron> choices
15:36 <DrJoeTron> do i go back to bed for an hour
15:36 <DrJoeTron> or just stay up
15:55 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6125 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added Sandbox::Load to load files into a sandbox.
15:56 <[dlh]> hmm, it said that commit failed.
16:18 <wrtlprnft> it said the same for me once, remember?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> this doesn't work under linux yet, does it?
16:18 <wrtlprnft> the ruby thing, that is. I'd like to fool with it a bit
16:19 <[dlh]> No, it does not. I think I may take a stab at working it in to the automake build system.
16:19 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:19 <[dlh]> z-man said he would, but he seems to be busy.
16:19 <wrtlprnft> heh, he married :)
16:20 <[dlh]> yeah :)
16:20 <wrtlprnft> arma development is going really slow right now anyways. must be the time of the year
16:20 <wrtlprnft> at least that's what i hope…
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19:01 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6126 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
19:01 <armabot> armagetronad: - swigged some basic classes
19:01 <armabot> armagetronad: - ArmagetronAd::* is now not imported in to every sandbox.
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20:13 <Marco> mu
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21:31 <wrtlprnft> Marco: ?
21:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: oooh, how much fun iconv is, really
21:50 <wrtlprnft> having to use reinterpret_casts and const_casts and whatnot
21:50 <luke-jr_> why?
21:50 <wrtlprnft> well
21:51 <wrtlprnft> reinterpret_cast to make a wchar_t out of a char[4]
21:51 <wrtlprnft> const_cast because iconv's 2nd parameter is a char*, not a const * const *
21:51 <wrtlprnft> err
21:52 <wrtlprnft> not a char * const *
21:52 <luke-jr_> I don't think that's a valid C type ;)
21:52 <wrtlprnft> well, in case you didn't notice, armagetronad is c++
21:54 <luke-jr_> well, complain to C++ for not having a iconv-like standard
21:54 <luke-jr_> anyway, if you put it on tString, it's only one place
21:54 <luke-jr_> just have the tString function take a target charset ;)
21:56 <wrtlprnft> and it doesn't work anyways, it seems
21:56 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to decrement the inbytesleft param, right?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> how can the literal string "Game" have an invalid sequence?!
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22:10 <wrtlprnft> iconv is too stupid. I think i'm just gonna use a homebrewn convertor :s
22:24 * luke-jr_ thinks you're just using it worng
22:24 <luke-jr_> remember that it's char** and size_t* =p
22:26 <wrtlprnft> know
22:26 <wrtlprnft> *i know
22:27 <wrtlprnft> but in most cases i just wanna convert one single character, and it's too much overhead for me
22:28 <spidey> :(
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: so wrap it up a bit
22:28 <wrtlprnft> doesn't remove the overhead
22:28 <wrtlprnft> just hides it
22:29 <spidey> luke-jr_, ping
22:29 <luke-jr_> ...
22:29 <spidey> pm
22:29 <luke-jr_> none
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22:36 <luke-jr_> #g 100/8
22:36 <armabot> 100 / 8 = 12.5
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22:46 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with sticking a small file in thirdparty if it makes your life easier, anyway?
22:47 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: shrug, like I said it depends on how much it adds to the binary size
22:47 <luke-jr_> which I presume wrtlprnft measured before trying iconv, since he was opposed to iconv already
22:49 <wrtlprnft> i'm opposed to iconv because it's an ugly c function
22:51 <wrtlprnft> anyways, really using the utf-8 library would probably mean to convert a lot of code to actually use stl
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> just sounds like more arbitrary restrictions we don't need.
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, that was targeted at luke-jr_ :)
22:51 <wrtlprnft> so the homegrown method works quite well
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> whatever works, I'm just sick of all the harassment that goes on on this "team"
22:52 * luke-jr_ doesn't harrass
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> liar
22:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind enabling user style sheets?
22:52 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with Lucifer_arma --with http
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind, I just didn't have time, and now the link's gone from my backbuffer
22:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [19:24:30] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: trying to test some stylesheet for the wiki? Can you enable user style sheets? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles#General
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> check it, see if it works
22:54 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: because I'm the only one concerned in shrinking Arma's size so it can be ported to logical platforms?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it does :)
22:55 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r6127 /www/wiki/trunk/ArmaSettings.php: Added user style sheet flags
22:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you make me a copy of the monobook style I'll add the CSS to that
22:56 <wrtlprnft> because it looks nice now
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: if you're the only one concerned with the binary size, then you're the one who should be trying to shrink it
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> and you don't do that by harassing other developers
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's in the mediawiki tarball. :)
22:57 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: shrinking is impossible if others are adding significantly sized dependencies
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I upgraded to 1.7.1 if you hadn't noticed
22:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes you do. if you harrass enough noone does any more development and the binary size stagnates
22:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know
22:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i know where to get the style
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i just need a style that's actually in the wiki
22:57 <wrtlprnft> then i can add my own css to it and make it available to everyone
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you want me to copy it on the server?
22:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:58 <DrJoeTron> spidey what happened to your TS server?
22:58 <DrJoeTron> or do you just decided to live in mine :p
22:59 <spidey> my server's 100 miles away
22:59 <spidey> it'll probably stay there to
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I made a wrtlprnft copy of monobook
22:59 <wrtlprnft> well, anyways, my arma servers, armabot and master3 will be down tomorrow as i'm gonna go get more RAM for it
22:59 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thanks
22:59 <wrtlprnft> uh, is it MySkin?
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> let me know if it actually works. :) I didn't change any code in it
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's wrtlprnft
23:00 <wrtlprnft> ah, nvm
23:00 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma I'll hopefully be shipping you those parts tommarow
23:00 <wrtlprnft> stupid me
23:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you copied the wrong skin it seems
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: cool. Thanks. :)
23:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=wrtlprnft
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I copied monobook?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> that isn't monobook
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> that looks like a broke copy of monobook
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that's classic
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> hang on, let me dig in code for a few minutes
23:01 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=standard
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> I copied monobook though
23:05 <wrtlprnft> well, it's a totally different markup
23:05 <wrtlprnft> tons of nested tables
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> it is, that's very weird
23:05 <wrtlprnft> so i can't just copy the monobook CSS over it
23:06 <wrtlprnft> just delete it and try again?
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> it has to be a fallback that's triggering this
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> I just did that :)
23:07 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, reload completely now
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> got it working for you
23:09 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> np
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> had to change some class names too, heh
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ok, try that skin now :)
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> I literally just hit it, heh
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> can't see the captions on the portal things
23:18 <wrtlprnft> ah, right
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i forgot that
23:18 <Lucifer_arma> :( I remember having trouble with that, which led to problems with IE
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i had them in white
23:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ie is its own issue
23:18 <Marco> 40 Minutes until my 21. birthday :)
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> Polo!
23:19 <wrtlprnft> grats
23:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, in 40 Minutes you'll still be a kid?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: better now?
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> "project and community" get cut off now, heh. Probably better to shorten that heading
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> you know, rather than adjust css to deal with it
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, mediawiki doesn't support using different skins for different areas of the wiki, does it?
23:22 <wrtlprnft> seems to look OK in IE
23:22 * Lucifer_arma thought it would be nice if we could put one that matched armaSVN on the developer's pages :)
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> (assuming the look in SVN changes while the stable release remains static)
23:23 <wrtlprnft> hmm
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't have IE to test, so I don't know what the problems in ie were, besides it not showing the pngs right
23:23 <wrtlprnft> i'm not using alphatransparent PNGs
23:23 <wrtlprnft> and i'm running IE in wine
23:25 <spidey> IE blows
23:25 <luke-jr_> what's armaSVN?
23:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: uh, the background i'm using is the one from SVN...
23:27 <wrtlprnft> or is it?
23:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, looks like it isn't after all
23:27 <wrtlprnft> i guess i could put some JS if you like
23:31 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what do you want me to change the “project and community” to?
23:32 <wrtlprnft> nvm i can't change it anyways
23:32 <wrtlprnft> i assumed it was a system message
23:34 <luke-jr_> "Community"? =p
23:40 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:40 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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03:28 <spidey> /1 core dumped /2 so it was probably lag
03:28 <spidey> i think i'ma use it
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03:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1861544,00.html <--- heh heh. Anybody see The Naked Gun?
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04:01 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:02 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
04:02 <DrJoeTron> oh man
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04:56 <DrJoeTron> time for some good ole hl2ctf
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05:07 <DrJoeTron> hey
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> hi
05:08 <DrJoeTron> bah this steam update blows
05:30 <spidey> Your_mom_arma,
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:33 <spidey> mom, you playing in the ladle sunday? :p
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> unlikely
05:34 <spidey> :(
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06:32 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxS_lLGQ2KE
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08:57 <DrJoeTron> you missed my punchline
08:58 <DrJoeTron> but its ok
08:58 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxS_lLGQ2KE repost
08:58 <DrJoeTron> away
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> they got boo'd
08:58 <Your_mom_arma> i kinda feel sorry for him
09:00 <Your_mom_arma> i may not like the band but i dont think he deserved a cuncussion from a sprite can
09:00 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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10:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_ should really contact xevi and give him an account on the resource repository
10:28 <luke-jr_> it works in the other direction
10:39 <wrtlprnft> oops, forgot to send a CIA message, sec
10:39 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * resources/xevi/xevi-0.0.7.aacockpit.xml: Resource by xevi
10:51 <wrtlprnft> my server's going down now, say goodbye to armabot
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12:45 <wrtlprnft> #morning armabot
12:45 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: Q: What is the difference between a duck? || A: One leg is both the same.
12:49 <wrtlprnft> #quit
12:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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12:51 <wrtlprnft> #ping
12:51 <armabot> pong
12:51 <guru3> wrtlprnft: is your master back up?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
12:52 <guru3> oky
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13:12 <wrtlprnft> armaservers are up now, too :)
13:13 <wrtlprnft> #weather cardiff
13:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 11:50 AM BST; Chance of Rain. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° (1 more message)
13:16 <arctanx> #weather hobart
13:17 <armabot> arctanx: Temperature: 60°F / 15°C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EST; Scattered Clouds. High:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Overcast. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Overcast. High:69 ° F. / 21 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.;
13:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #weather zürich
13:28 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The current temperature in Glattbrugg, GLATTBRUGG, Switzerland is 64.4°F (1:00 PM CEST on August 31, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa.
13:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and how about temp in celsius?
13:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
13:31 <arctanx> #google
13:31 <armabot> arctanx: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
13:32 <arctanx> #google 64.4 degrees fahrenheit in celsius
13:32 <armabot> arctanx: Search took 0.42 seconds: CISAB | Temperature Calculator: <http://www.indiana.edu/~animal/fun/conversions/temperature.html>; NCDC: Celsius to Fahrenheit Conversion Chart: <http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/conversion/tempconvert.html>; DRAFT Willamette Basin TMDL - Appendix C: Temperature ...: (3 more messages)
13:32 <arctanx> darn, doesn't support google calculator
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13:52 <spidey> #g 1+1
13:52 <armabot> 1 + 1 = 2
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 64.4 degrees fahrenheit in celsius
13:52 <armabot> 64.4 degrees Fahrenheit = 18 degrees Celsius
13:52 <wrtlprnft> arctanx: sure it does
13:52 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
13:53 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
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14:15 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes
14:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 542 messages.
14:15 <Vanhayes> ack
14:18 <wrtlprnft> armabot just restarted
15:21 <deja_vu> anyone want to join me in some CTF? :)
15:21 <DrJoeTron> hey man, give her a break
15:21 <DrJoeTron> she's been workin way too hard
15:21 <spidey> ...
15:22 <deja_vu> oh
15:22 <deja_vu> hey spidey ;)
15:22 <spidey> hey vu
15:22 <DrJoeTron> id join but i cant play
15:22 <DrJoeTron> i dont have the upgrade
15:22 <deja_vu> o.o
15:23 <deja_vu> which upgrade?
15:23 <DrJoeTron> i gotta talk to pig about turning that setting off :p
15:23 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.2
15:23 <DrJoeTron> im on 1
15:23 <deja_vu> uh ^^'
15:23 <DrJoeTron> i didnt like 2.8.2 so i went back to 1
15:24 <DrJoeTron> and its one little setting that needs to be switched back
15:24 <deja_vu> i also get a message on some setting
15:25 <spidey> hmm appearently
15:25 <spidey> i can wear a shirt with cocaine and a martine
15:26 <spidey> as long as it has george bush on it
15:26 <spidey> to school
15:26 <spidey> supreme court said a school violated his freedom of speech because he got suspended for it
15:30 <Vanhayes> what about a t-shirt showing bush drinking a martini and snorting coke?
15:31 <Vanhayes> id buy that
15:32 <spidey> lol
15:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft,
15:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey.
15:41 <spidey> what'd you say the = of fwrite(STDOUT was?
15:42 <DrJoeTron> diggin has 6 kids! :O
15:42 <spidey> o.O
15:42 <DrJoeTron> still cant get over that
15:42 <DrJoeTron> cause damn
15:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
15:43 <spidey> you said printft something
15:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, print?
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16:40 <wrtlprnft> #g 128*3
16:40 <armabot> 128 * 3 = 384
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18:01 <DrJoeTron> any one wanna help me find a place that gives money for blood in the Cook County area?
18:26 <cusco> money for blood? never heard about
18:26 <cusco> I heard about donating blood tho
18:28 <DrJoeTron> found it
18:28 <DrJoeTron> they give money for plasma
18:28 <DrJoeTron> im becomming a prostitute
18:28 <DrJoeTron> selling my body for money :D
18:29 <DrJoeTron> the place im trying to go to, its 20 bucks the first visit
18:29 <DrJoeTron> then 30 the next three times
18:29 <cusco> how about the 5th time?
18:30 <DrJoeTron> varies
18:32 <DrJoeTron> ay per donation:
18:32 <DrJoeTron> For the 1st donation you receive $20, the 2nd time- $30, and the same amount for 3rd & 4th donations, however after that varies between $18 and $24 depending upon your weight.
18:32 <DrJoeTron> Frequency of donation:
18:32 <DrJoeTron> You can donate plasma, because your blood is returned back to you twice in one week, but must wait at least 48 hours between donations.
18:35 <cusco> right
18:35 <cusco> do you earn more if you weight more or if you weight less?
18:36 <DrJoeTron> no idea
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22:03 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: wtf is 'diggin', and why does it matter that e has only 6 kids?
22:12 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6129 /www/beta/trunk/maint-info/README: update examples
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> man
22:35 <wrtlprnft> MBC is so easy to own now…
22:36 <wrtlprnft> just won 4 matches in a row after not having played there for a month
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22:38 <wrtlprnft> >A certain someone is constantly arguing against various things because they threaten the usefulness of AA on small platforms…
22:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm, who could that be?
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22:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6130 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: added 0.2.8.2.1
22:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6131 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/WorkMakefile: added OSX package to freshmeat submission
22:55 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6132 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build/scripts/aabeta: adapted to new layout
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23:13 <mkzelda> luke-jr_,
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23:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: is there any reason the serverlist script doesn't work anymore? If i run it locally with my own master it doesn't work either...
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23:14 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: it says it timed out, but it didn't
23:21 <luke-jr_> shrug
23:22 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:23 <wrtlprnft> any ideas?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> because i neither know anything about how that script works nor about armagetronad network protocol stuff.
23:28 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
23:28 <wrtlprnft> stupid thing
23:29 <wrtlprnft> 0.2.8_beta and 0.2.8.0_rc versions have a dangerous security flaw and are obsoleted, please upgrade to 0.2.8.0.
23:29 <wrtlprnft> that's what i got when i decoded the message
23:29 <wrtlprnft> now if i only knew where it sent the version :s
23:29 <[dlh]> ask tank for the updated script ><
23:30 <wrtlprnft> well, i almost got it
23:30 <wrtlprnft> just need to figure out where it sends the version
23:30 <wrtlprnft> and then increase that to 254
23:31 <luke-jr_> lol
23:32 <wrtlprnft> waay better
23:33 <wrtlprnft> shall i commit that change?
23:34 <luke-jr_> sure
23:34 <luke-jr_> it certainly doesn't work as it wsa
23:35 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6133 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/aap_master.php: Increased network version of the fake client to 0xff to prevent being blocked out by the master for using an obsolete version.
23:35 <wrtlprnft> #listhandlers
23:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
23:35 <wrtlprnft> #runhandler aabetaupdate
23:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: executed handler aabetaupdate successfully
23:35 <wrtlprnft> #describe aabetaupdate
23:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: aabetaupdate: Matches on '', Performs action of type: '', On channel: , Details:
23:35 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:35 <wrtlprnft> i hate armabot sometimes.
23:36 <luke-jr_> lol
23:36 <wrtlprnft> running it manually
23:37 <wrtlprnft> works now.
23:37 <wrtlprnft> or maybe not
23:37 <wrtlprnft> probably the same issue when requesting the actual server info
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23:38 <[dlh]> works for me
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ah, now it does...
23:39 <wrtlprnft> didn't a few seconds ago
23:39 <luke-jr_> it's always been glitchy like that
23:39 <luke-jr_> now just make it do the requests all at once and we'll be set
23:40 <luke-jr_> instead of waiting for each request before moving on to the next
23:40 <wrtlprnft> pfft
23:40 <wrtlprnft> i wanna do something else with it
23:40 <luke-jr_> =p
23:42 <wrtlprnft> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mb_convert_encoding() in /www2/serverlist/aap_serverinfo.php on line 98
23:42 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:43 <wrtlprnft> probably need to compile php with +unicode :s
23:43 <luke-jr_> lol
23:43 <wrtlprnft> stupid.
23:44 <wrtlprnft> that's gonna take forever
23:45 <luke-jr_> who wants to help with BF servers?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> BF == brainfuck?
23:45 <luke-jr_> BugFarm
23:47 <wrtlprnft> help what?
23:47 <luke-jr_> check into BUG calls
23:47 <luke-jr_> and general admin
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23:50 <wrtlprnft> wtf
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i used /exec, not /exec -o :s
23:50 <luke-jr_> ?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to see the URI of the server feed
23:51 <wrtlprnft> so i said /exec grep serverxml ~/irclogs/FreeNode/\#armagetron.log
23:51 <luke-jr_> and?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> and it... nvm
23:52 <luke-jr_> lol
23:52 <wrtlprnft> well, see
23:52 <wrtlprnft> 23:47 <luke-jr_> and general admin
23:52 <wrtlprnft> 23:49 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@156.34.176.109] has joined #armagetron
23:52 <wrtlprnft> 23:49 22:11 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverxml.php
23:52 <wrtlprnft> 23:50 22:11 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetronad.net/browser2/serverxml.php
23:52 <wrtlprnft> that's what i got as output
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i thought it actually pasted it into the channel
23:53 <luke-jr_> lol
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