IRCLogs for #armagetron in 2006-11-11 • ArmaNelgTron.tk

Log from 2006-11-11:
--- Day changed Sat Nov 11 2006
00:00 <GodTodd> how much you paying?
00:00 <luke-jr_work> $-5
00:00 <madmax|pt> only if you give me a nice, lag-stoppingcycles-free-server
00:00 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:00 <GodTodd> make it --5 dollars and i might consider it
00:00 <luke-jr_work> how about ---5
00:00 <GodTodd> nah
00:01 <Vanhayes> how about you give me $20 a month to take a server?
00:01 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:01 <Vanhayes> good deal
00:01 <madmax|pt> :D
00:02 <Vanhayes> im willing to nagotiate that too, but I wont take lower than $5
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: if barbs are getting techs before you, you're doing something wrong
00:02 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma, pfft
00:02 <luke-jr_work> I blame the Swedes
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the reason I like barb onset year at 0AD or higher is to give time to build defenses
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> so we can expand without dealing without barbs.  It's my own way of wussing out.
00:02 <luke-jr_work> =p
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> in any case, in the game we were playing last night, spidey and I are warring against ais that are arguably more advanced, and winning
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> the only dangerous one on the map now is the ai that took over for mom.  It's got MI and howitzers and I'm still using cannons,
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd like to stall that fight as long as I can
00:03 <luke-jr_work> you're not allied?
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to say, even if mom comes back to take it, we're going to fight.  That civ is too powerful.
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> something's screwy on my server, we can't trade techs.
00:04 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:04 <luke-jr_work> warserver doesn't let you, I think
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, it is the warserver.  :)
00:04 <luke-jr_work> played on one once before
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> there's a setting, I'm just going to have to make sure the scenarios have techtrading and the others set
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> but I've decided that egypt is in a better spot than zulu on the world map, the ai just didn't know what to do with what he had
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> the cities I'm taking are quickly becoming high production cities because the ai was so good as to populate them for me
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> I just have to stick in a factory and let my autosettlers railroad them up for me and they reach 20 shields quickly
00:06 <Vanhayes> hmm, are the aztecs still around or are they wiped out?
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> I think spidey wiped them out.
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> america, the incas, I think spidey's taken all of that
00:06 -!- Commn is now known as Compn
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> you could come in and take australia, I suppose, but spidey's fighting them and after consolidating my takes I'm going into europe
00:07 <luke-jr_work> I'll play the next new game
00:07 <luke-jr_work> well
00:07 <luke-jr_work> actually....
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh, don't know when it'll be, unless you start one, I"m about to head out and take a test
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> then I've got both physics and calc tests next week
00:07 <luke-jr_work> I told my wife that last game I hosted would be the last one I did all at once
00:08 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma, at least Mon before I have any time
00:08 -!- Ady [n=ady@79.Red-83-51-204.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #armagetron
00:08 <luke-jr_work> anyone interested in a try-to-make-30-mins-per-day one?
00:09 <Ady> hi, whats wrong with the forums?
00:09 <luke-jr_work> nothing?
00:09 <luke-jr_work> ...
00:09 <Ady> doesnt open since yesterday
00:09 <luke-jr_work> sure it does
00:09 <Ady> come here and i will show you :P
00:09 <luke-jr_work> no
00:09 <luke-jr_work> you use a broken OS
00:09 <Ady> like xp sp2?
00:10 <luke-jr_work> yep
00:10 <Vanhayes> works for me todat
00:10 <luke-jr_work> just like that
00:10 <Vanhayes> today*
00:10 <Ady> just like internet explorer 7?
00:10 <luke-jr_work> yep
00:10 <luke-jr_work> IE7 isn't a web browser
00:10 <Ady> mozilla doesnt open it 
00:11 <Vanhayes> opera does
00:11 <Ady> my sand thingy its almost end
00:11 <luke-jr_work> Konq does
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> firefox opens it for me, and by luke's standards I use a broken os too
00:13 <Ady> i think its the "spy website" blocker...
00:13 <Vanhayes> er, im using xp sp2 too so...
00:13 <Ady> and that thing happens often to me with the forums
00:14 <madmax|pt> is mac os a broken os too? if so, and using its native web browser, it opens too :P
00:15 <Ady> do someone run windows?
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, anything not gentoo-built-by-luke is broken, so yes, mac os is broken too
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> Ady: lots of people run windows :)
00:15 <Ady> nice to know :)
00:16 <Ady> this weekend i will publish that project i was talking about
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> with source?
00:16 <Ady> i will release source if it wil get popular
00:16 <spidey> hayes
00:16 <spidey> inca's still alive
00:16 <spidey> if you want them
00:17 <Ady> #uberinsult
00:17 <armabot> You are a spidey
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> tell me about it when you release source, and remember, you got armagetron with source...
00:17 <spidey> i was about to march a huge ass land invasion for after them
00:17 <spidey> but if you wanna play take 'em
00:17 <madmax|pt> btw, is any XP user in here thinking of using Vista?
00:17 <spidey> fuck no
00:17 <madmax|pt> I mean, buying a new computer and *then* using Vista...
00:17 <spidey> fuck
00:17 <Ady> no
00:17 <spidey> no
00:17 <Ady> lol
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> word on the street is that Vista won't run arma, so no, nobody here will use it
00:18 <spidey> vista is all good n shit
00:18 <madmax|pt> good
00:18 <spidey> but what it requires
00:18 <spidey> ...
00:18 <spidey> man lets say you spend
00:18 <Vanhayes> Hey, who changed my uberinsult?
00:18 <spidey> $500 on a box
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> #uberinsult
00:18 <armabot> You are a spidey
00:18 <spidey> and it's more of a gaming box right, vista will use all the resources
00:18 <Vanhayes> um thinking it was luke-jr_ 
00:18 <Vanhayes> Im*
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add uberinsult You're not even the slime in luke-jr_'s buttcrack.
00:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> #uberinsult
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> er
00:19 <Vanhayes> echo*
00:19 <spidey> lol
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add uberinsult "echo You're not even the slime in luke-jr_'s buttcrack."
00:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> #uberinsult
00:19 <armabot> You're not even the slime in luke-jr_'s buttcrack.
00:19 <spidey> #g
00:19 <armabot> spidey: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
00:19 <spidey> #q
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
00:19 <spidey> #q
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 07:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
00:19 <spidey> #quote get 37
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no Quote with id #37 in my database for #armagetron.
00:19 <spidey> #quote get 36
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no Quote with id #36 in my database for #armagetron.
00:19 <spidey> #quote get 34
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> Christopher Walken is running for president
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no Quote with id #34 in my database for #armagetron.
00:19 <spidey> #quote get 333
00:19 <armabot> spidey: Error: There is no Quote with id #333 in my database for #armagetron.
00:20 <spidey> #quote get 33
00:20 <armabot> spidey: Quote #33: "that wasn't a war, that was you losing units trying to attack one city...then mom joined in with howtizers-spidey" (added by spidey at 04:07 AM, November 07, 2006)
00:20 <spidey> :D
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> man, it was taking 6-10 cannons per city last night
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I *hate* city walls
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> and everytime I sent spies to take out the city walls, they got caught
00:20 <spidey> well
00:20 <spidey> you know how many cannons
00:20 <spidey> i've lost?
00:20 <spidey> and how many i got =p
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> hundreds?
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> 10?
00:20 <Ady> war in USA?
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> I was in Africa
00:21 <spidey> i've lost atleast 70
00:21 <spidey> i have like 86
00:21 <spidey> i'm putting out 3cannons every turn
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> but I think the canadians did indeed conquer the US
00:21 <spidey> rotating
00:21 <Vanhayes> spidey: how are the incas right now?
00:21 <spidey> i did
00:21 <spidey> =p
00:21 <spidey> good
00:21 <spidey> i haven't touched them *yet*
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm putting out somewhere around 4-5 every turn, so I kept advancing nicely, obviously, it was just annoying
00:21 <spidey> i wantt aussie as a naval base
00:21 <spidey> =)
00:21 <Vanhayes> if we play agin ill take them
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> and the whole time I'm being stalked by an ai with howitzers and MI
00:22 <spidey> lol
00:22 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't even got artillery!
00:22 <spidey> lets ally
00:22 <spidey> and
00:22 <spidey> click on my city
00:22 <spidey> quebec
00:22 <spidey> look at all the units i got inside there
00:22 <spidey> =)
00:22 <spidey> atleast 60
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> you trying to make sure I know which city to nuke?  ;)
00:22 <spidey> :|
00:22 <spidey> once i take aussie i'll be the strongest nation 
00:22 <spidey> :D
00:23 <spidey> and biggest
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to spend some time consolidating.  I did take heavier losses than expected, so I called up reserves I prefer not to call up.
00:23 <spidey> i told you
00:23 <spidey> send me 1-2 transports and i'll put alot of riflemen in your cities for ya
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> er, no :)
00:23 <spidey> lol
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'll pay for my own defenses, tvm
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> tyvm*
00:24 <spidey> ok
00:24 <spidey> also
00:24 <spidey> i'm putting out 299+ gold a turn
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> besides, I'm close to mobile warfare, I just passed it up temporarily so I wouldn't have to rebuild barracks
00:24 <spidey> 'er
00:24 <spidey> i'ma have to rebuild 22 of those
00:24 <spidey> :|
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm 2 techs from mobile warfare, but I'm picking up flight and some other stuff first
00:24 <spidey> flight?
00:24 <spidey> i got that
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to start sending spies to mom and see what I can steal, too
00:25 <spidey> i was thikning about taking mom out to
00:25 <spidey> unless he's gonna play
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as I'm close enough to him, anyway, there's still some egyptian and indian cities between us
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, even if he does play...  actually, if it's just 3 humans, I don't mind coming in third, especially with all the ais that are there
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> but I won't come in fourth, and mom's the biggest target
00:26 <spidey> lol
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> but man, I'm definitely enjoying having so goddamn many ais
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> and they're not totally dumb either
00:26 <spidey> indeed
00:26 <spidey> because
00:26 <spidey> they're not novice
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> I think they're all normal, actually
00:26 <spidey> the inca guy stopped attacking me
00:26 <spidey> because he lost so many units
00:26 <spidey> that's actually smart
00:26 <spidey> a novice ai would have kept pressing
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> cheops never attacked me, he never even saw it coming, apparently
00:27 <Ady> http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=984
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> of course, he was tapped out fighting the indians
00:27 <Ady> :P
00:27 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-36-184-103.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
00:27 <spidey> well
00:27 <spidey> i might not be here
00:27 <spidey> for a week
00:27 <spidey> going to LA
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to quit chatting and go take my test
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> this is going to be a busy week for me
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> next week, that is, starting this weekend and going through next weekend
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> there's a breather at the other end of that, though
00:28 <spidey> i wish i had a laptop
00:28 <spidey> =<
00:28 <spidey> that way i could still have net on my way to LA :D
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv doesn't take much for resources, heh
00:29 <spidey> well
00:29 <spidey> i can't load up a desktop pc in a 18 wheeler
00:29 <spidey> =/
00:29 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: what happened to commit messages being echoed here?
00:29 -!- luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@adsl-70-128-250-253.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has quit [Connection timed out]
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: did you merge your scripting stuff to the trunk yet?
00:30 <[dlh]> no, not yet. I'm not sure it works on linux or windows yet.
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  Maybe that'll get done if you merge to the trunk.  :)  Chicken and egg...
00:30 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: something broke :s
00:30 <[dlh]> heh
00:31 <[dlh]> well I just wrote a rotation system for the ruby branch — you implement the logic yourself in Ruby, instead of it being an XML resource.
00:31 <spidey> you know who's fault that is wrtlprnft ?
00:31 <wrtlprnft> someone's
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: it's luke-jr_ (hi there!) 's, I"m sure
00:31 <spidey> it's luke-jr_ 's
00:31 <spidey> =p
00:32 <[dlh]> so should I merge, or will someone get angry with me :)
00:33 <wrtlprnft> #unload CIA
00:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> [dlh]: I think you should merge, but my development system is broken now so I can't help you if it does break the trunk horribly
00:33 <wrtlprnft> #unload CIA
00:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:33 <wrtlprnft> #load CIA
00:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> will work now, hopefully
00:34 <Ady> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
00:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: beta.aa.net down again?!
00:34 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: nvm, just took its time to log in
00:35 <Ady> forums are down for me
00:35 <[dlh]> not for me
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> they still work fine for me
00:35 <Ady> for me since yesterday
00:35 <[dlh]> maybe you got banned.
00:35 <Ady> and now keeps loading, for 1 hour aprox
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> do a hard refresh
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> hold shift and press the reload button
00:35 <Ady> ok...
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> at least, in firefox that's how you do it
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> it should force even a fresh dns lookup
00:37 -!- Van-hayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034207046.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
00:37 <Van-hayes> #ping
00:37 <armabot> pong
00:37 <wrtlprnft> well, tell me if it works next time you commit something
00:38 <Ady> i commit something?
00:42 <Ady> stills loading
00:44 <Van-hayes> #armaconfig ping
00:44 <armabot> Van-hayes: CYCLE_PING_RUBBER: Additional niceness for high ping players (default: 3) || PING_CHARITY: How much ping are you willing to take over from your opponent? (default: 100) || PING_FLOOD_GLOBAL: The times PING_FLOOD_TIME_X, multiplied by this value, count for all pings from all machines. Negative values disable global flood protection. (default: 0.1) || PING_FLOOD_TIME_10: Minimum time for 10 ping packets (1 more message)
00:45 -!- Ady2 [n=ady@176.Red-83-51-204.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #armagetron
00:45 <Ady2> haha look at this
00:45 <Ady2> loading half an hour and appears a message saying:
00:45 <Ady2> Downloading file index.php , save or open...
00:46 <Ady2> thats with mozilla, ie doesnt show nothing
00:48 -!- spidey [n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> I just posted on the forums
00:48 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-114-141-224.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
00:48 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-114-141-224.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit]
00:49  * Lucifer_arma has left this server (Read error: 1034 (Launched into orbit by smelly fart)).
00:50 <madmax|pt> why do you share that with us...
00:50 <Ady2> could someone unban me please, its not fun
00:52 -!- spidey [n=spidey@68-114-141-224.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #armagetron
00:52 <wrtlprnft> who banned who?
00:53 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034198128.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:55 <Van-hayes> #ping
00:55 <armabot> pong
00:55 <Ady2> someone banned me from the forums
00:56 <Ady2> i can enter using an anonymizer, but not without
00:57 <Ady2> slulu
00:58 <Ady2> well, i wont post a reply to the armachatron topic
00:58 <Ady2> all i want to say is that i didnt put a ban ption coz i dont think that ppl will be so annoying to ban them
00:59 <Ady2> it has a good spam protection , so i think theres no need of ban ;)
00:59 <madmax|pt> reminds me of KRABBELBABY, as previously reminded by feather
00:59 <Ady2> whos krabbelbaby
01:00 <Van-hayes> krabbelbaby was one of the worst ingame spammers
01:00 <Van-hayes> really annoying
01:00 <wrtlprnft> i wonder what Ady did to get banned, too. He discussed some beside the point, but there's other people who are worse
01:01  * wrtlprnft looks at luke-jr_, Louven and wrtlprnft 
01:01 <Ady2> you look at yourself?
01:01 <wrtlprnft> i do sometimes discuss beside the point
01:01 <Ady2> i like to answer with the same card
01:02 <Ady2> is that reason for a ban?
01:02 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what happened there.
01:03 -!- Ady [n=ady@79.Red-83-51-204.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:03 <Ady2> ?
01:04 -!- Ady2 is now known as Ady
01:04 <wrtlprnft> what else might have happened
01:04 <wrtlprnft> i doubt he banned you because of that thread alone, if he did at all
01:04 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's just some sort of routing problem
01:04 <Ady> bah
01:04 <Ady> too sensible ppl these ays
01:04 <Ady> days*
01:06 <wrtlprnft> after all, your last visible post was 3 days ago, and i doubt guru3 would ban you three days after the issue happened
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's highly unlikely ady got banned, I don't think guru3 (hi there!) bans people except for malicious stuff
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> so it's got to be something else
01:07 -!- [NP]Tangent_ is now known as [NP]Tangent
01:07 <Ady> k
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> remember, an anonymizer just removes your internt connection from the loop.  i.e. your connection to the anonymizer matters, but then it's the anonymizer to the forums
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> so whatever problem you're having, the anonymizer isn't having, so all it does is confirm that you have a problem specific to your home/computer/os/whatever
01:08 <Ady> ok
01:08 <[dlh]> “svn merge --dry-run $AA_SVN/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad@6081 $AA_SVN/armagetronad/branches/ruby/armagetronad .” ← is that command correct to merge? “.” is my working copy of trunk.
01:08 <Ady> could be anti spywware
01:08 <wrtlprnft> happened to me, too, btw. everyone else was able to access the forums, but i wasn't
01:08 <Ady> hmm
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> if it's taking a long time to load, the best likelihood is that there's some switch between spain and sweden that's having problems
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> none of the rest of us are in spain, so of course we won't hit that switch :)
01:09 <Ady> ...
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> try resetting your router and all the devices you have, and if that doesn't fix it, you probably can only wait on your isp to do something
01:09 <Ady> my devices are fine...
01:09 <Ady> its a 1500$ pc
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> router?
01:10 <Ady> dsl
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> did you try resetting it?
01:10 <Ady> for what
01:10 <Ady> its just working fine
01:10 <guru3> yeah only ips that make spam posts get banned
01:10 <guru3> or people i really really hate
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> obviously something's not working fine
01:11 <Ady> do you hate me?
01:11 <guru3> and Ady shouldn't fit into either category
01:11 <guru3> people like that annoying kid... sniper
01:11 <Ady> guru are u wrtl?
01:11 <guru3> no
01:11 <guru3> i'm guru
01:11 <guru3> :D
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> tank program :)
01:11 <Ady> yeah..
01:11 <guru3> the behind the scenes playa in tron
01:11 <guru3> aww sssh lucifer ;)
01:11 <Ady> haha :P
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
01:12 <Ady> was that taken from my post?:P
01:12 <wrtlprnft> guru3 is the guy who's paying us all for including a backdoor in arma
01:12 <Ady> ..
01:13 <Ady> u said it first
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't believe him, read the source for yourself :)
01:13 <guru3> yeah PAY ME MUAHAHAHA
01:13 <Ady> backdoor, what does it do
01:13 <wrtlprnft> a backdoor allows you to go into your backyard
01:13 <Ady> ...
01:14 <Ady> night is affecting your brains
01:14 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-245-203-40.delv.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
01:14 -!- Ady is now known as Ady_arma
01:14 <wrtlprnft> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerta_trasera
01:14 <Ady_arma> gracias
01:14 <Ady_arma> i know what a backdoor is
01:15 <Ady_arma> im asking whats the one u have in arma for
01:15 <wrtlprnft> guy, it's irony!
01:15 <wrtlprnft> *ironic
01:15 <guru3> because sometimes when the front door of the server is broken
01:15 <Ady_arma> i like serious talking
01:15 <guru3> you have to go around the back
01:16 <spidey> lol
01:16 <wrtlprnft> it allows the CIA to read your files
01:16 <Ady_arma> aha
01:16 <wrtlprnft> if you don't trust me: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
01:16 <wrtlprnft> see, we're related to the CIA!
01:16 <guru3> :D
01:16 <guru3> <o
01:16 <guru3> \o
01:17  * spidey pokes guru3
01:17 <Ady_arma> im FBI, got ya
01:17 <Ady_arma> hands up
01:17 <wrtlprnft> pfft
01:17 <wrtlprnft> gotta find me
01:17 <Ady_arma> or i will shot at u with dos attacks
01:17 <Ady_arma> :P
01:17 <wrtlprnft> good luck.
01:17 <spidey> haha
01:17 <spidey> that made my day
01:17 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft is out of the fbi's jurisdiction
01:18 <wrtlprnft> you can throw a lot of DOS floppies at me before i care
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> did he threaten us with DOS?
01:18 <spidey> #quote add "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady"
01:18 <armabot> spidey: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:18 <wrtlprnft> that's the boring way
01:18 <Ady_arma> hahahah
01:18 <Ady_arma> it was not like that
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> #quote add "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady"
01:18 <spidey> #quote add "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady"
01:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:18 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.  Quote #34 added.
01:18 <spidey> ,,,,
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
01:18 <spidey> ...
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> tried to help, nvm
01:18 <spidey> lol
01:18 <Ady_arma> #q
01:18 <armabot> Ady_arma: Quote #34: "im FBI, got ya...hands up,or i will shot at u with dos attacks-Ady" (added by spidey at 01:17 AM, November 11, 2006)
01:19 <Ady_arma> LOL
01:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: in fact, you're still owner of the bot :P
01:19 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:19 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible the reason you took over the bot was that the bot was an unwitting scapegoat.
01:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, I just have to put the modern units on my tech chart now :)
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> then some tables with unit summaries ripped from the freeciv wiki
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01:20 <Lucifer_arma> the idea being that you should print it and sit it next to you while playing, of course
01:20 <Lucifer_arma> clearly I disagree with how the freeciv guys split up the era naming, heh
01:20 <spidey> gimme a printer
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01:21 <Lucifer_arma> how about a pdf viewer?  I'm going to export it to png for the freeciv site and pdf
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> and I'll see if I can stick the dia file up there, because after this is all done I'll be looking at how to change it to make it better for us
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> and the freeciv guys should have the raw source from which I made the one that goes with the game, you know?
01:22 <Ady_arma> time to go fishing
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> correction, modern units and high tech units, where modern ~ wwII tech
01:24 <Van-hayes> so, are we going to play that game from last night anytime tonight?
01:25 <Ady_arma> #night
01:25 <armabot> Good night Ady_arma!
01:25 <Ady_arma> cya
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01:25 <spidey> upto luci
01:26 <spidey> i want to
01:26 <spidey> =)
01:26 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
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01:26 <Your_mom_arma> i was just about to get howitzers and then build an army to demolish asia and the middle east
01:27 <madmax|pt> argh
01:27 <guru3> i wonder if the nsa ever hits on people talking about freeciv
01:28 <Van-hayes> heh
01:31 <spidey> hm
01:32 <spidey> mom
01:32 <spidey> you playing tonight?
01:32 <spidey> if so...looks like i'ma have to redivert my plans =/
01:32 <spidey> hayes and mom will have the next two biggest AI's under me
01:32 <spidey> =(
01:33 <spidey> =)*
01:38 <Your_mom_arma> why? did you declare war on me?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> Van-hayes: I don't know at this point, I'm reviewing for a test that I need to take this weekend right now
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> if we do, it'll have to be later
01:43 <Van-hayes> ok
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> probably 5-6-7 hours from now or so
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> so go catch a movie, get laid, get drunk, whatever.  :)
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: we haven't declared war on you, in fact, the alliance is still together with you and me, but you built a pretty strong civ
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the way this game is working out, it might just be insanely fun to go human vs human
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> here's what I think, quite honestly, about human vs human
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not opposed to it anymore.  Going human vs ai is fun, no doubt, but we've had that fail and spoil the game
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> the reason it spoils the game, in my opinion, is because there's a betrayal involved
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I think we should really stick to our alliances, but if we're going to betray an alliance, we should give a turn or two warning before doing it
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how practical that is, but I intend to see it through that way myself.
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> So, I don't think we should use the alliance to prepare an invasion.  Like, I won't take advantage of the alliance to station a buttload of troops around your capital,
01:46 <Lucifer_arma> then break thea lliance and take out your capital.  That's just plain wrong, imo.
01:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, I'm not going into alliances without serious thought now.  I'd be happy to stay at peace and trade and stuff, but an alliance should be considered a military thing
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01:47 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like the game to support economic alliances, where certain non-combat units can move freely, but combat units get peace restrictions and zones of control
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to be able to switch freely from military alliance to economic alliance without rep penalty, but military should always require diplomacy to establish
01:48 <Lucifer_arma> but we don't have that, so I'd like to use Peace as economic alliance, where the alliance is more informal since the game doesn't have any mechanisms to help us do it
01:49 <madmax|pt> #serverdetails gladiators
01:49 <armabot> madmax|pt: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “gladiators” at the moment, sorry.
01:49 <madmax|pt> argh
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> and really, that's why we're building alliances anyway.  And we can help each other out in war and stuff without requiring a military alliance
01:49 <madmax|pt> that's one nice server
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> swampy's new server?
01:49 <madmax|pt> yeah
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> haven't played it yet
01:50 <madmax|pt> low rubber and that no 180s thingie :)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> cool :)
01:50 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully he can phase out swampland with it, heh
01:51 <madmax|pt> goodnight
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01:52 <Van-hayes> Lucifer_arma: Id like to see trading units and being able to trade money in different wyas, like X gold per turn for X amount of turns
01:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'd also like to see "allow passage for X turns" so we can set up toll paths :)
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> I think that stuff will require coding, so I'm not going to even try to work on it.  There's other stuff I want, all tied up in the tech tree.
01:54 <Van-hayes> thatd be nice, adds more strategy to troop placement
01:54 <Lucifer_arma> I've almost got the modern units put on the flowchart, then I have just the high tech units and the summaries
01:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also like "allow into city" as a treaty thing, so if you have damaged units and I have a barracks, I could let those units in (for a price)
01:55 <DrJoeTron> that place needs vote kick turned on
01:55 <DrJoeTron> but its pretty good
01:56 <Van-hayes> hmm the reputation should affect things more imo, because haveing despicable really doesnt do much
01:56 <DrJoeTron> theres some guy in there with a 3k ping
01:57 <Van-hayes> #serverinfo -v gladiators
01:57 <armabot> Van-hayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “gladiators” at the moment, sorry.
01:57 <Van-hayes> #serverinfo -v elec
01:57 <armabot> Van-hayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “elec” at the moment, sorry.
01:57 <DrJoeTron> well, i think its time i put the tub together now
01:57 <Lucifer_arma> you should be blocked from some things if your rep is too low, imo
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> and I like the guy's idea of having a senate to override your actions, and the senate would be trying to protect your reputation
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> that way people aren't warring with democracy, because everytime they turn around the senate will accept a peace treaty :)
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> and will eventually override an attempt to go to war
01:58 <Lucifer_arma> the original civs had a senate :)
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> oh boy, I still gotta do high tech and space age :/
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> space age is easy, it's only stealth
01:59 <Van-hayes> #ping
01:59 <armabot> pong
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'd also like to be able to build obsolete units
01:59 <Lucifer_arma> that really irks me that we can't
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> in a low production city, I'd rather build muskets than riflemen most of the time
02:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's why you see me holding off on some techs, because I can't afford the units and I won't be able to build the units I *can* afford if I take the tech!
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing is, in my ruleset there won't be a stealth fighter and a stealth bomber, there ain't no such thing in real life
02:02 <Lucifer_arma> the stealth fighter is called a fighter for political reasons, but it was built to be a bomber
02:03 <Van-hayes> fighters arent all that usefull imo
02:04 <Van-hayes> I dont see the use for them, besides as a support unit for other troops
02:04 <Van-hayes> and even then there are better units for it
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> they're useful as auto-attack units in a city
02:08 <Lucifer_arma> so when the bomber comes, the fighter comes out and takes it out
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> and with the enhanced auto-attack in the warserver, you can put the fighters in cities behind the front lines and keep them concentrated so they can cover many more cities than they need for bases
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> the only problem is, none of us have been threatened seriously with bombers (besides luke-jr_ (hi there!) )
02:09 <Lucifer_arma> when we go against the ai, we're always several tech levels ahead of them, and we have bombers and they don't normally have any countermeasures
02:12 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got all the units on there.  No summaries yet, but I'm not doing that tonight more than likely
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.freeciv.org/images/e/e0/Technologies.png
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02:21 <Van-hayes> that'll come in handy
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> the graphics might be a bit misleading since I used the freeland graphics, not the default graphics :)
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02:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
02:50 <DavidProck1981> hi
02:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, ping*
02:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes?
02:51 <spidey> about what time you think we'll play?
02:51 <DavidProck1981> do u all see my text
02:51 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: midnight my time, more than likely is the earliest I can start
02:51 <spidey> i haven't slept in 31 hours p/P
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02:51 <spidey> o.O
02:52 <spidey> k
02:52 <Lucifer_arma> go take a nap?
02:52 <spidey> if i sleep now i won't wake up till sunday morning
02:52 <spidey> heh
02:53 <spidey> i'ma play defcon
02:53 <spidey> see if that'll keep me entertained
02:57 <Van-hayes> Lucifer_arma: midnight your time would be in how many hours?
02:57 <Lucifer_arma> about 4
02:57 <Van-hayes> ugh, thats 2 am
03:01 <spidey> well
03:01 <spidey> i was gonna play defcon
03:01 <spidey> it crashed
03:04 <spidey> *(KDE)* i andrew
03:04 <spidey> <pirate> but iwas in team midle
03:04 <spidey> <spidey> andrew?
03:04 <spidey> <pirate> so no reason
03:04 <spidey> <spidey> argh
03:04 <spidey> <spidey> bye
03:04 <spidey> <(KDE)> yes
03:04 <spidey> <(KDE)> he he
03:04 <spidey> <pirate> dont flood pls
03:04 <spidey> haha
03:04 <spidey> he's everywhere man
03:04 <spidey> it's not cool
03:05 <Van-hayes> adrew as in the guy from freeciv?
03:05 <Van-hayes> andrew*
03:05 <spidey> ya
03:05 <Van-hayes> creppy
03:05 <Van-hayes> maybe he stalks you now
03:05 <spidey> =/
03:05  * ghableska yawns
03:06 <spidey> hayes, wanna play a small game till nightmid?
03:09 <GodTodd> nightmid, huh?
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I need to quit fooling with this damn flowchart!
03:09 <Lucifer_arma> I started adding unit summaries and realized I was going to be here all night and I have *got* to study!
03:10 <GodTodd> hrh
03:10 <GodTodd> heh even
03:11 <Van-hayes> spidey: Nah, I found The Departed on that movies site and am watching it now
03:12 <GodTodd> which site?
03:13 <Van-hayes> http://links2movies.50webs.com/
03:13 <Van-hayes> good movie so far
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03:15 <BreezyBadger> hey
03:15 <BreezyBadger> anyone here?
03:16 <BreezyBadger> if you are, do a custom connect to leera.dynalias.com
03:16 <BreezyBadger> port 4534
03:16 <BreezyBadger> high speed action
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03:22 <ghableska> o.0
03:28 <GodTodd> O.o
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03:40 <Luke-Jr> #last --with luke
03:40 <armabot> Luke-Jr: [02:08:05] <Lucifer_arma> the only problem is, none of us have been threatened seriously with bombers (besides luke-jr_ (hi there!) )
03:41 <Luke-Jr> #last --with luke --nolimit
03:41 <armabot> Luke-Jr: [03:39:29] <Luke-Jr> #last --with luke, [02:08:05] <Lucifer_arma> the only problem is, none of us have been threatened seriously with bombers (besides luke-jr_ (hi there!) ), [00:59:51] * wrtlprnft looks at luke-jr_, Louven and wrtlprnft , [00:33:35] <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: nvm, just took its time to log in, [00:33:26] <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: beta.aa.net down again?!, [00:30:36] <spidey> it's luke-jr_ 's, (11 more messages)
03:41 <Luke-Jr> hope everything's up
03:41 <Luke-Jr> will check back in a few hrs
03:45 <Your_mom_arma> ?
04:02 <DrJoeTron> blegh
04:03 <Van-hayes> Blarg
04:06 <GodTodd> the correct term is blergle
04:06 <GodTodd> heh
04:29 <Your_mom_arma> barf /me throws coins
04:39 <DrJoeTron> man
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05:37 <Lucifer_arma> blah blah yadayada
05:43 <GodTodd> yep
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> witty retort
05:46 <GodTodd> of course
05:47 <spidey> i
05:47 <spidey> don't
05:47 <spidey> know if i can make it another hour =/
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you do, you'll probably start hallucinating
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking of seeing if anybody's ready to play yet
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> your_mom isn't here, though
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> and god todd got wiped out, so he'd have to play a new civ
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> but as much fun as that game is, I'd kinda like to start a new one with some setting tweaks
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05:54 <spidey> haha
05:55 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, did you hear luci talking about you?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> no?
05:55 <Your_mom_arma> what happened
05:55 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> if you do, you'll probably start hallucinating
05:55 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> I was actually thinking of seeing if anybody's ready to play yet
05:55 <spidey> <Lucifer_arma> your_mom isn't here, though
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05:55 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:56 <spidey> actually
05:56 <spidey> starting over wouldn't be bad
05:56 <spidey> as long as tech trade is enabled...
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> any time i like a game no one ever wants to play it ever again
05:56 <Van-hayes> man... The Departed was a good movie
05:57 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, eh?
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'd be happy to resume this one, but I saw some things
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, here's one
05:57 <spidey> i would like to resume it to
05:57 <spidey> i've got over 163 units
05:57 <spidey> heh
05:57 <Van-hayes> doesnt matter to me
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ; Technology leak from other civilizations
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ; 0 - No reduction of the technology cost.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ; 1 - Technology cost is reduced depending on the number of players
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ;     which already know the tech and you have an embassy with.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ; 2 - Technology cost is reduced depending on the number of all players
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ;     (human, AI and barbarians) which already know the tech.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ; 3 - Technology cost is reduced depending on the number of normal
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> ;     players (human and AI) which already know the tech.
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> tech_leakage = 2
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> default is 0, I just changed it in my default file
05:57 <spidey> also the city doesn't go down 1 size for each sucessful attack
05:58 <spidey> it doesn't go down 1 when you take it
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> right, when it should
05:58 <spidey> ya
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> which is probably why the cities we're taking are so awesome when we take them
05:58 <spidey> heh
05:58 <spidey> i'm not compaining
05:58 <spidey> =p
05:59 <spidey> it's storming
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> and also why it's so hard to disband a city after taking it, because there isn't any population loss in it
05:59 <spidey> bah
05:59 <spidey> #weather 38256
05:59 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Dover, TN - LBL, Dover, Tennessee is 71.1°F (10:52 PM CST on November 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa. 
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'm literally starving one of my cities to get rid of it
05:59 <Van-hayes> Id rather start a new one with the same map/ai but ill play if you want to do the other one
05:59 <spidey> actually
05:59 <spidey> i wanna start ovwe
05:59 <spidey> over
05:59 <spidey> with the 14 AI's
05:59 <spidey> but bigger
05:59 <spidey> it's to small =/
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> bigger map?
05:59 <spidey> ya
05:59 <Van-hayes> cant be world
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> we'll have to go with a generated map for that, I think
06:00 <Van-hayes> aw
06:00 <spidey> no?
06:00 <spidey> last time it was bigger
06:00 <spidey> way bigger
06:00 <spidey> when we killed hayes
06:00 <Van-hayes> there are 2 world maps
06:00 <spidey> remember?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> europe is the biggest map
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but see, we're playing the biggest world map there is
06:00 <Van-hayes> hmmm, wanna do euope?
06:00 <spidey> no!
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> 200x100, compared to 80x50 for the small one
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> the europe map is really a pain, heh
06:01 <spidey> ai smallpoxes the fuck outta eurussia
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, we set city_mindistance so he can't, eh?
06:01 <Van-hayes> there is a setting for that
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I just forgot last time is all
06:01 <spidey> ya but he still will
06:01 <spidey> untill there's no room left
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but he won't be able to smallpox, he'll just put a bunch of cities close together
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> see, it takes time for settlers to walk to a new place, it'll still slow it down
06:01 <Van-hayes> about as close as we usually do
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> also, we only played with like 3-5 ais or whatever
06:02 <spidey> well
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> we can have many more than that
06:02 <spidey> lets play the world map then =p
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'd either want to play the world map or generate one to get a bigger map
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> we could play the europe game and let van have sweden
06:02 <spidey> swiss suck
06:02 <spidey> honestly
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the swiss really do suck
06:02 <Van-hayes> let me hold your money, you guys go fight
06:03 <spidey> ?
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I'd rather play a different europe game than that one, one where we've prevented the ai from smallpoxing
06:03 <spidey> ya
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I've really enjoyed that game, but now it's at a point where it's painfully tedious to play
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06:03 <Van-hayes> not worth taking the cities?
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06:03 <spidey> it's worth it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> and most of that is because the ai smallpoxed the shit out of northern europe
06:03 <spidey> just to many
06:03 -!- Van-hayes is now known as Vanhayes
06:03  * Durka is gonna pull a "Vanhayes"
06:03 <Durka> #armaservers
06:04 <armabot> Durka: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (8 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (4 players) || -=}ID< Immortal Dynasty Server (3 players) || thecowsfarm(high accelerations, high rubber, funny bots and cows by epsy) (2 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (2 players) || Tigers Network Classic (1 more message)
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> we've spent somewhere around 15 hours just taking smallpoxed cities and doing nothing else
06:04 <Durka> #more
06:04 <armabot> Durka: Play (1 players) || The Electronic Gladiators (0 players) || ed's One Flag Capture the Flag - Testing (0 players) || Fortress (0 players) || =] ESAMU Armagetron World [= (0 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (0 players) || Brotherz From Another Motherz (0 players)
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> I estimate at least another 15 hours to take what else is there, that doesn't include anything else he's got
06:04  * Durka gets smacked by everyone in the room
06:04 <Vanhayes> ya we really need city_mindistance
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> then we have to clean up and make sure we've killed everyone not allied to us to get the game to end
06:04 <spidey> ya
06:04 <spidey> i say world map again
06:04 <Vanhayes> ok
06:04 <spidey> i call inca
06:04 <spidey> mom can have canada
06:05 <Vanhayes> noooooooooooo
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> and when it's over, the rankings are going to be me and mom first and spidey third, and that's only because spidey got hammered early
06:05 <Durka> sorry to interupt, but can you guys tell me if you like this site?
06:05 <Durka> http://ddl.notlong.com
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> no spam!
06:05 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, nah
06:05  * Durka gets killed from Mom bombing him then luci poking him
06:05 <spidey> my 1 carrier of elite bombers, 1 carrier of hardened bombers and 1 carrier of hardened choppers says so
06:06 <spidey> btw i figured out
06:06  * Durka has no clue wtf you guys are talking about
06:06 <Durka> bye
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06:06 <spidey> hardened bombers will pwn a unit in a city with a SAM
06:06 <spidey> vet bombers won't
06:06 <Vanhayes> durka it looks pretty nice
06:06 <Vanhayes> er
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll have to finish the game to see what the rankings wind up being, but I'm still pretty sure that's the ranking we're going to get.  We've won the game, the rest is tedium
06:06 <spidey> ya
06:06 <spidey> i say new game though =p
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if we do world map, what does everyone want?  do we have to have most humans clustered in america?  or can you guys take the pressure and start in europe/asia/africa instead?
06:07 <spidey> inca
06:07 <Vanhayes> new game on world map with the good settings would be fun
06:07 <Vanhayes> wel we should be relitivly close to at least one person
06:08 <Vanhayes> like, not everyone in NA except one
06:08 <spidey> well
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> well, last time if I'd have known mom was going to china I'd have taken mongolia :)
06:09 <spidey> mom are you playing?
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: Luke-Jr?
06:09 <spidey> oh god
06:09 <spidey> not luke!!
06:09 <spidey> anyone but luke!
06:09 <spidey> =p
06:09 <Vanhayes> I think luke is moving now
06:09  * spidey drop kicks Luke-Jr
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> y'all saw my new and improved philosophy on diplomacy, alliances, and stuff, right?  :)
06:09 <spidey> no?
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll start the server and we can fool with settings, but y'all need to go through and make sure they're right :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> some of the ones we're tlaking about don't have dialogs!
06:10 <spidey> k
06:13 <Vanhayes> Your_mom_arma: Luke-Jr luke-jr_ 
06:13 <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma Vanhayes Luke-Jr Your_mom_arma 
06:13 <Vanhayes> #last --with dave
06:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:45:26] <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:14 <GodTodd> pacman
06:14 <Vanhayes> hmm, cant connect
06:14 <Vanhayes> hahaha
06:14 <Vanhayes> Tetris
06:14 <spidey> lol
06:14 <GodTodd> pitfall
06:14 <GodTodd> pole position!
06:15 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: is the server up?
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> sorry about that, try now
06:15 <Vanhayes> ah
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> #dict nazy
06:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: No definition for "nazy" could be found.
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
06:29 <GodTodd> ok...sorry...was putting clothes in the washer....what civ is preferable for me to take?
06:31 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: how many are on NA?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think just spidey right now
06:31 <spidey> no
06:31 <spidey> i'm inca
06:31 <spidey> south america
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> there's 4 possible american civs, 3 of them are north america specifically
06:32 <GodTodd> k, i'll take american then...was thinking of german as well
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09:00 <Vanhayes> #time
09:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: 08:59 AM, November 11, 2006
09:01 <Vanhayes> #time
09:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: 08:59 AM, November 11, 2006
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11:36 <Vanhayes> #time
11:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: 11:35 AM, November 11, 2006
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12:58 <madmax|pt> hi
13:01 <Vanhayes> morning
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--- Log opened Sat Nov 11 13:31:16 2006
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14:34 <Lucifer_arma> you guys figure it out, I'm goig to school
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14:35 <Vanhayes> spidey: SHouldnt have tried it
14:36 <spidey> seeing as i know van has nukes i'ma build me about 10 or 12
14:36 <spidey> =p
14:36 <Vanhayes> how many units did you lose there?
14:36 <spidey> dunno
14:36 <Vanhayes> at least 50 some
14:36 <spidey> but if i was gonna attack you, i would
14:36 <spidey> i wouldn't set there and brag about it
14:36 <spidey> you can ask luci that =p
14:37 <Vanhayes> come on, 50 some troops on my borders for precaution?
14:37 <spidey> no
14:37 <spidey> 50 some there so i can stockpile and figure out what i need
14:37 <spidey> i choose that city so i could fuck with you =p
14:38 <Vanhayes> good plan, worked out well
14:38 <spidey> hah
14:38 <spidey> i'm seriously building alot of nukes :|
14:38 <Vanhayes> ya but I am about to connect a railway to where my 50 some troops are
14:38 <spidey> so =p
14:38 <Vanhayes> then its 1 turn to everyone of your cities
14:39 <spidey> nope
14:39 <Vanhayes> anyways, you cant just pile a tonne of troops next to someones border who hasnt slept in about a day
14:40 <Vanhayes> might get a little paranoid
14:40 <spidey> haha
14:40 <spidey> i haven't slept in over 2 days
14:40 <spidey> maybe longer
14:40 <spidey> i lost count
14:40 <spidey> i've been wanting to goto sleep since last night :|
14:40 <spidey> so i'ma do that now
14:41 <Vanhayes> ya, im going to take a shower and eat then go to sleep
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15:11 <Voker57[away]> What's armagetron?
15:13 -!- Andriano [n=vzlwkwa@217.8.236.1] has joined #armagetron
15:13 <Andriano> Всем привет
15:14 <Voker57[away]> Andriano: it is english channel
15:14 <Voker57[away]> But there is no one anywby
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15:16 <Andriano> It iz have noy gud
15:18 <madmax|pt> oO
15:19 <Andriano> :-)))))))))
15:20 <wrtlprnft> configure:1528: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
15:20 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: any ideas?
15:20 <[dlh]> Yeah, see this thread → http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=9001
15:21 <[dlh]> the fix is in 0.2.8
15:21 <wrtlprnft> thanks
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15:34 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
15:34 <armabot> madmax|pt: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (11 players) || =] ESAMU Armagetron World [= (7 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (7 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || Gamma Deathmatch Server (6 players) || Super Duck Sumo! (5 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (4 players) || Wild West - Wild Fortress (4 players) || Carina Epsilon (high (1 more message)
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16:36 <Luke-Jr> #last --with luke --nolimit
16:36 <armabot> Luke-Jr: [06:12:16] <spidey> GodTodd, Lucifer_arma Vanhayes Luke-Jr Your_mom_arma, [06:11:55] <Vanhayes> Your_mom_arma: Luke-Jr luke-jr_, [06:08:09] * spidey drop kicks Luke-Jr, [06:08:09] <Vanhayes> I think luke is moving now, [06:08:01] <spidey> anyone but luke!, [06:07:57] <spidey> not luke!!, [06:07:51] <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: Luke-Jr?, [03:39:40] <Luke-Jr> #last --with luke --nolimit, [03:39:29] <Luke-Jr> #last (11 more messages)
16:36 <Luke-Jr> wtf u all want
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17:52 <swingle> hi
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17:52 <swingle> anybody has the doxygen docs for arma?
18:00 <|CruZ|> doxygen?
18:00 <swingle> yep, ive read it on the wiki
18:01 <|CruZ|> hmm
18:01 <swingle> it says theres a doxyfile
18:01 <|CruZ|> one sec
18:02 <|CruZ|> thats the doxygen doku: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Development_Docs
18:06 <swingle> ???
18:06 <swingle> i expected some docs extracted from the source
18:06 <wrtlprnft> |CruZ|: sec
18:07 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/doxy/
18:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno how current, thouhj
18:07 <wrtlprnft> *though
18:07 <wrtlprnft> |CruZ|: or just do “make doxy”
18:07 <swingle> wrtlprnft: thx thats what i was looking for
18:07 <|CruZ|> kk
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18:41 <ghableska> hello
18:47 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:57 <ghableska> #weather 50265
18:57 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 30.2°F (10:54 AM CST on November 11, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa. 
18:59 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: is there any way to not have “make install” try to install stuff into /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/ but into my PREFIX?
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19:09 <ghableska> #serverdetails rain
19:09 <armabot> ghableska: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “rain” at the moment, sorry.
19:09 <ghableska> #serverdetails arena
19:09 <armabot> ghableska: °¯ps arena: Players (10/16): AD89, ghableska, Kamakazi, one^tm, sunnygirl, |AST| }{Alex}{, ~*LoD*~Mephisto, ~*sP*~ conroe, ~*SP*~Sasha, °°qain
19:37 <ghableska> ugh, trolls
19:38 <ghableska> #lastseen ad79
19:38 <armabot> ghableska: timed out
19:39 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
19:39 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska seems to be on °¯ps arena right now.
19:39 <ghableska> #lastseen ad
19:39 <armabot> ghableska: >ADRIAN< seems to be on Tigers Network Classic Play right now.
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19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6267 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/swig/Makefile.am:
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - only copy setup.rb and lib/ from the srcdir to the builddir if they aren't the same
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - add the --prefix option when setup.rb install is called
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: - test if armabot works again
19:54 <armabot> armagetronad: Note: arma won't install for some reason if you are building from an external directory.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> yay
19:54 <wrtlprnft> hurray, armabot works again!
19:55  * ghableska celebrates
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #f
19:55 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches? || A: A nervous wreck.
19:55 <ghableska> #lastseen ad
19:55 <armabot> ghableska: ady22 seems to be on Palatinum's Place right now.
19:55 <ghableska> #lastseen ad79
19:55 <armabot> ghableska: timed out
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen ad42
19:55 <ghableska> o.0
19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
19:55 <wrtlprnft> i don't know where that timeout is set, otherwise i'd increase it
19:56 <ghableska> oh
19:58 <wrtlprnft> #list
19:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
19:58 <ghableska> #time
19:58 <armabot> ghableska: 07:57 PM, November 11, 2006
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20:06 <Ady> hi all
20:07 <Ady> ive got some news :)
20:07  * Ady just finished the armachatron project :)
20:07 <Ady> public chat/server and private ip2ip IM 
20:08 <wrtlprnft> w/ an IRC gateway?
20:09 <Ady> lets say that for now its for win users
20:09 <Ady> no IRC
20:09 <wrtlprnft> oh well, so it's nothing for me.
20:09 <Ady> if it gets popular i will release the codes, then you will add the IRC gateway and whatever you want :)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> i'll leave that to Luke-Jr 
20:11 <Ady> now finally i can sleep, yay!
20:11 <Ady> wrtl, do you have any ftp server?
20:12 <wrtlprnft> no
20:12 <wrtlprnft> ftp is too ancient for me
20:12 <Ady> a possible problem for this thingy would be this
20:12 <Ady> it connects to a FREE ftp server
20:12 <Ady> it doesnt allow 1+ users at same time
20:13 <Ady> then while 1 client is downloading the master list , other one tryin to connect wouldnt be able to connect
20:13 <wrtlprnft> why does it connect to an ftp server at all?
20:13 <Ady> to get a list of available servers
20:13 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
20:13 <wrtlprnft> no FTP required
20:14 <Ady> dont get it
20:14 <wrtlprnft> or do you mean chat servers?
20:14 <Ady> yes
20:14 <wrtlprnft> just put them onto some http server?
20:14 <Ady> chat servers or channels
20:14 <Ady> do i have one?
20:15 <wrtlprnft> there's enough free http hosting services
20:15 <wrtlprnft> #unload web
20:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:15 <wrtlprnft> #load web
20:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: No plugin named "web" exists.
20:15 <Ady> thats what im using
20:15 <wrtlprnft> #load Web
20:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:15 <Ady> a free html hosting
20:15 <wrtlprnft> html pages on an FTP server?!
20:16 <Ady> yes
20:16 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen asdfasdf
20:16 <Ady> #lastseen ady
20:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
20:16 <armabot> Ady: ady22 has last been seen on Palatinum's Place 10 minutes ago.
20:16 <Ady> #lastseen lod|ady
20:16 <armabot> Ady: LoD|Ady~PKC has last been seen on Nixda.net - Sumo Server 2 days 0 hours 10 minutes ago.
20:16 <Ady> only 2 days?
20:16 <Ady> its like a year...
20:16 <wrtlprnft> still timing out :(
20:16 <Ady> #lastseen asdfasdf
20:17 <armabot> Ady: timed out
20:17 <wrtlprnft> it times out if it doesn't find the guy
20:17 <Ady> no such user
20:17 <Ady> yes
20:17 <wrtlprnft> or if the time he was last seen is too far in the past
20:17 <Ady> about 1 week?
20:17 <wrtlprnft> anything that takes more than a few seconds to search
20:19 <Ady> ok. i have to re read the codes to find any possible bugs
20:19 <luke-jr__> Ady: um, just use XMPP service discovery?
20:19 <luke-jr__> Ady: FYI, your program is useless w/o XMPP support :p
20:20 <wrtlprnft> same fight…
20:20 <wrtlprnft> again…
20:20 <luke-jr__> wrtlprnft: you disagree?
20:21 <wrtlprnft> well, it doesn't lead anywhere
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20:52 <Ady> wrtlprnft: could you send me the armagetron 0.3 icOn? .ico format if possible...
20:53 <nowimproved> Ady, ill send ya it
20:54 <Ady> msn/icq/skype or u upload it somewhere?
20:54 <nowimproved> Ady, are you recieving it?
20:54 <Ady> no
20:55 <nowimproved> do you have gaim?
20:55 <Ady> no
20:55 <nowimproved> ok then
20:55 <Ady> could you upload it to any server
20:55 <nowimproved> yah
20:55 <nowimproved> one second
20:56 <nowimproved> www.xptclan.com/tron.ico
20:56 <nowimproved> hope thats the one you meant
20:56 <Ady> thanks mate
20:57 <Ady> ow
20:57 <Ady> thats the 2.8 one
20:57 <Ady> ...
20:57 <nowimproved> ok i downloaded armagaronad source and compiled it now trying to run it from the source directory i get this error any ideas?
20:57 <nowimproved> http://pastebin.ca/246040
20:57 <nowimproved> sorry about that Ady 
20:58 <Ady> dont u have the 0.3
20:58 <nowimproved> Ady, getting it, my bad
20:59 <[dlh]> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/icons/armagetronad.ico?revision=6026
20:59 <nowimproved> there we go
20:59 <Ady> thanks
21:00 <[dlh]> The icon is under the GPL, so if you modify it… er, release your sources. I guess. I don't know how the GPL applies to artwork.
21:01 <Ady> i will use a icon visual modifier software
21:01 <nowimproved> any ideas on my probleM?
21:02 <[dlh]> nowimproved: what OS are you running on?
21:02 <nowimproved> [dlh], gentoo linux
21:03 <[dlh]> you've tried just doing “make run”?
21:04 <nowimproved> [dlh], in the src directory?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:04 <wrtlprnft> though it should work, usually
21:05 <Ady> err
21:05 <Ady> i cant save the ico as .ico, just as bmp from the browser, and if i try a download manager it doesnt start...
21:05 <nowimproved> Ady, use wget
21:06 <nowimproved> hmm, that dont work
21:06 <nowimproved> lol
21:06 <Ady> yeh i ve noticed :P
21:07 <Ady> its okay i will use some other icon
21:07 <nowimproved> www.xptclan.com/tron.ico, thats what was in the development versions directory
21:08 <nowimproved> same size though
21:09 <nowimproved> is that it?
21:09 <Ady> yeh
21:10 <nowimproved> Ady, with that link you could have right clicked save page as
21:10 <Ady> i did
21:10 <Ady> but i cant edit that icon
21:10 <nowimproved> weird, worked form e
21:10 <Ady> thanks for all , but i will use some other one
21:11 <wrtlprnft> you can't edit .ico files with paint or such.
21:12 <DrJoeTron> no fucking way
21:13 <DrJoeTron> the alpha 5 suit from mighty morphin power rangers is on ebay
21:14 <nowimproved> thanks alot [dlh] it worked 
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21:34 <Luke-Jr> hum
21:35 <Luke-Jr> if the icon is GPLd, then he needs to GPL the program too? ;p
21:35 <Luke-Jr> probably not, but let's say so =p
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21:56 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: 1tpd
22:05 <Vanhayes> Luke-Jr: Nag
22:05 <Vanhayes> you should have played that game last night Luke-Jr, took out half the ai before we saved it
22:06 <Luke-Jr> ...
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22:44 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
22:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || Strawberry Fields (11 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || ed's One Flag Capture the Flag - Testing (8 players) || °¯ps arena (8 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (6 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || .dBd|Server (4 players) || (Moo) Clan [ Cow Farm ] (4 players) || (1 more message)
22:48 <Vanhayes> #dict Veruca
22:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: No definition for "Veruca" could be found.
22:50 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: done
23:01 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6268 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (tCallback.cpp tCallback.h tRuby.cpp tRuby.h): “rb_protected” the block call in tCallbackRuby::Exec
23:01 <Luke-Jr> erm...
23:02 <Luke-Jr> since when is Ruby in trunk?
23:02 <Luke-Jr> and why wasn't it discussed on the dev forum first?
23:04  * Luke-Jr voices objection because SWIG is fundamentally flawed in design
23:04 <[dlh]> and what would your ideal solution be?
23:05 <Luke-Jr> something that doesn't require writing interfaces twice
23:06 <[dlh]> You know about %include, right…
23:06 <Luke-Jr> hmm?
23:06 <Luke-Jr> %include doesn't look like C++
23:07 <wrtlprnft> /ignore -channels #armagetron Luke-Jr 
23:07 <[dlh]> %include "foo.h" in a swig interface file. No need to duplicate the interface in two files.
23:08 <Luke-Jr> then what is the purpose of a "swig interface file"?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: i think it was better when the commits weren't posted in the channel, kind of
23:10 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: I'm subscribed to the RSS feed, so I wouldn't mind if they weren't.
23:10 <Luke-Jr> I think it was better when people would discuss large changes before making them
23:10 <Luke-Jr> or did that ever happen?
23:11 <[dlh]> It happened in the channel, I guess you missed it.
23:12 <Luke-Jr> the channel is live, it doesn't count
23:12 <[dlh]> sure it does, especially when the suggestion comes from an admin.
23:12 <Luke-Jr> nope
23:13 <Luke-Jr> so what is the purpose of a "swig interface file"?
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23:16 <[dlh]> You know you can do more than include a header file in SWIG — initiate template classes, rename classes/functions. How would you do that without a special interface file
23:16 <Luke-Jr> why should you need to explicitly initiate templates?
23:16 <Luke-Jr> or rename anything?
23:16 <Luke-Jr> why should Ruby get an interface any different from C++?
23:17 <[dlh]> Because ArmagetronAd::Tools::TWhatever looks dumb, I know it is in Tools, why the T prefix?
23:18 <Luke-Jr> how is that complaint Ruby-specific?
23:18 <Luke-Jr> and why is it ArmagetronAd::Tools?
23:19 <Luke-Jr> I don't recall most tWhatever having namespaces
23:20 <wrtlprnft> note that in ruby the ArmagetronAd is most likely a module
23:21 <Luke-Jr> the point being that if an interface is changed, it should be changed consistentlyt
23:43 <ghableska> #weather 50265
23:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 35.6°F (3:54 PM CST on November 11, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa. 
23:43 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
23:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 37.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 49%. Wind: NNW at 3 mph (5 km/h).
23:47 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:47 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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