Log from 2007-05-01:
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00:06 <z-man> #tea
00:06 <armabot> z-man: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): 2020, BlindMan's Dog, Failed MOT, newbÎe, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~|DS-t|~error, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦Ö¦Qico, ¦×¥ Sticky
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00:16 <|Sticky|> does wrtlprnft run cafe fortress?
00:16 <epsy> yes
00:17 <epsy> cu
00:17 <|Sticky|> are the server logs around his site anywhere
00:17 <epsy> no
00:17 <epsy> erm, let him a message
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00:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
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00:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 86.7°F (5:25 PM CDT on April 30, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 28.78 in 974.5 hPa (Falling).
00:29 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Periods of rain ending overnight then cloudy. Amount 5 mm. Fog patches dissipating overnight. Low plus 2.; Tuesday - Cloudy. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h in the morning. High 9. UV index 4 or moderate. (1 more message)
00:29 <Vanhayes> #more
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Tuesday night..clearing in the evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low plus 2.; Wednesday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 7.;
00:33 <z-man> Another kopete gripe: it does not open all channels in one window.
00:39 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
00:39 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
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01:06 <luke-jr__> glob2 anyone?
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01:08 <ghableska> luke-jr__, is glob2 better than civ?
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:41 <luke-jr__> ghableska: yep
01:41 <luke-jr__> except when it doesn't work
01:41 <luke-jr__> glob2: /usr/include/boost/shared_ptr.hpp:253: T* boost::shared_ptr<T>::operator->() const [with T = AIEcho::Management::RessourceTracker]: Assertion `px != 0' failed.
01:41 <luke-jr__> -.-
01:41 * ghableska downloads glob2
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01:49 <ghableska> bizarre game
02:15 <GodTodd> yep it is
02:15 <GodTodd> heh
02:16 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:16 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 77.5°F (7:21 PM CDT on April 30, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Tuesday afternoon...
02:22 <DrJoeTron> fuck glob2
02:22 <DrJoeTron> in the butt
02:22 <DrJoeTron> armagetron has better netcode than glob2
02:24 <GodTodd> microsoft has better netcode than glob2
02:25 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 81.9°F (7:25 PM CDT on April 30, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.78 in 974.5 hPa (Falling).
02:25 <ghableska> wtf
02:25 <|Sticky|> didnt mirosoft use bsd netcode?
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03:06 <luke-jr__> DrJoeTron: as if netcode is the most important thing in the world...
03:07 <luke-jr__> DrJoeTron: I might note that netcode is probably the *easiest* part of a game to rewrite
03:07 <DrJoeTron> well
03:07 <DrJoeTron> if you''re going to play online
03:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah
03:07 <DrJoeTron> its pretty important
03:08 <DrJoeTron> if you can't start a game
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03:08 <DrJoeTron> if its the *easest* part of a game to rewrite, why don't they just do it then
03:08 <DrJoeTron> easiest even
03:08 <DrJoeTron> since clearly it could use it
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03:43 <luke-jr__> DrJoeTron: ok, so do it
03:52 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr__ i didnt make the claim that "it's easy"
03:52 <DrJoeTron> and you go back on ignore
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03:55 <P4> #m Lucifer* thanks...
03:55 <armabot> P4: The operation succeeded.
03:57 <luke-jr__> anyone wanna play?
03:57 <P4> luke-jr__: styball? :D
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04:17 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 75.9°F (9:20 PM CDT on April 30, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 28.81 in 975.5 hPa (Falling).
04:17 <luke-jr__> ghableska: wanna play?
04:17 <ghableska> no
04:18 <ghableska> first I need to figure out how to play :p
04:18 <luke-jr__> tutorial is nice
04:25 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:25 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 71.1°F (9:30 PM CDT on April 30, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Tuesday afternoon...
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04:35 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: glob2?
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in a bit
04:36 <luke-jr__> how long?
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04:42 <xfroggy_> xfroggy, boo!
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> few more minutes, I'm still settling in, just got home from work
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05:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, ready for glob2
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr__: glob2?
05:21 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: 15 min?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> anyone else?
05:26 <xfroggy> is this something similiar to freeciv?
05:30 <GodTodd> glob2 runs slow at times for me for some reason
05:30 <GodTodd> :/
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> xfroggy: sorta, but not really. It's RTS
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like freelords, if you've played that
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I've been meaning to find out if freelords has a network mode
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> er, wait a minute, freelords isn't the game I'm thinking about
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think luke divides all of his time estimates by 2
05:51 <DrJoeTron> i wanna play scorch3d later tonight
05:51 <DrJoeTron> think we can do this?
05:52 <GodTodd> no
05:59 <luke-jr__> ...
06:01 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma:
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I need to see if I've got mouse batteries real quick, hang on
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:03 <GodTodd> ping
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:03 <GodTodd> ping
06:03 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: playing?
06:03 <luke-jr__> GodTodd: might try enablign OpenGL
06:04 <GodTodd> how?
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> aw, way to go luke, you distracted me and god todd got one past me
06:04 <luke-jr__> GodTodd: Settings
06:04 <GodTodd> in the game or in feisty?
06:04 <luke-jr__> game
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> what game arma civ scorched or glob
06:04 <luke-jr__> of course, that's assuming your OS has OpenGL already
06:05 <luke-jr__> glob2
06:07 <Your_mom_arma> g l o b = Globulation2(with horrible net code) ... (text replacement for the win)
06:08 <luke-jr__> O.o
06:08 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: so fix it
06:08 <Your_mom_arma> fix what?
06:08 <luke-jr__> networking code
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I can play now
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> no batteries available, though
06:09 <luke-jr__> ...
06:09 <luke-jr__> I have plenty
06:09 <luke-jr__> and mine charge in 15 minutes
06:09 <luke-jr__> :p
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> luke, Globulation2(with horrible net code) isnt worth anyones time to fix
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah it is, it's a cool game
06:09 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: aww, mad cuz you lost?
06:10 <Your_mom_arma> when did i lose?
06:10 <luke-jr__> Sun morning?
06:10 <Your_mom_arma> the first game i played
06:10 <luke-jr__> :p
06:10 <Your_mom_arma> im no sore loser, otherwise i wouldnt play freeciv
06:11 <luke-jr__> sore port forwarder?
06:11 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: are we going to play or not? -.-
06:11 <Your_mom_arma> Globulation2(with horrible net code) is just a watered down rts
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, sorry, distracted playing on the stone base map
06:11 <luke-jr__> it *is* a RTS
06:12 <Your_mom_arma> arguing with luke not worth the time
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else want to play?
06:12 <Your_mom_arma> i'm game to play though
06:12 <luke-jr__> lol
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: it does have a major advantage over the rest, which is that you don't micro-manage your units
06:13 <luke-jr__> it has real teamplay too
06:13 <luke-jr__> instead of just automatic mandatory alliances
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06:13 <Lucifer_arma> hey spidey, wanna play globulation?
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> I found another game for spidey to check out, Warzone2100
06:13 <Your_mom_arma> see, i kind of prefer that. that way i could stop the globs from starving to death because the want to go to the inn all the way on the other side of my territory
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> so if you guys are playing, you need to join the game
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: build a closer inn
06:14 <luke-jr__> lol
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> also, read the docs on how the globs pick inns to go to
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's *very* important
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> i had inns at both end, but they would always choose the ones on the other side
06:14 <luke-jr__> well, I must say the globs *are* pretty stupid a lot
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> the globs are damn stupid
06:14 <luke-jr__> they tend to bump into each other repeatedly
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> heh
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's like running a civ populated by luke-jrs
06:15 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: then the other side has better food
06:15 <luke-jr__> and vacancies
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> i played a local game and two of them got stuck inbetween a building
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> bah
06:15 <spidey> ?
06:15 <spidey> can i do homework and play at the sametime?
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> so is anybody else going to join this game, or should we start?
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: unlikely
06:15 <luke-jr__> spidey: sure
06:15 <spidey> then probably not :p
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> they* ends* set of buildings*
06:16 <luke-jr__> spidey: you might die since it'd be your first time tho
06:16 <spidey> gimme a link
06:16 <spidey> but i'll be slow
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> #google globulation2
06:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:16 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: I've taken food breaks while the game was going and done pretty decent
06:16 <luke-jr__> #google Glob2
06:16 <armabot> luke-jr__: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've done smoke breaks, but I wouldn't suggest it
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://globulation2.org/wiki/Main_Page
06:16 <luke-jr__> against AINumbe or whatever it's no problem
06:17 <Your_mom_arma> i've noticed two players can control the same Globulation2(with horrible net code) civ
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> maybe google closed their web api
06:17 <luke-jr__> even against 7 of them
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, that ais a bit dumb
06:17 <luke-jr__> quite
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> it only builds so much, so you jsut outbuild it
06:17 <Your_mom_arma> put in 4 war rush bots
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> also, a winning strategy is to just not attack the buildings, kill the workers
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> only ais if we all ally against them :)
06:18 <spidey> um
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: are you going to join or should we just start?
06:18 <spidey> what do i click for network game?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> Yggwhatever
06:18 <luke-jr__> YOG!
06:18 <luke-jr__> :p
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> then click "Playland"
06:18 <luke-jr__> "Online Gaming" is a dead giveaway
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> and "Join"
06:18 <luke-jr__> Playground*
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> then click "john"
06:19 <luke-jr__> or "joe"
06:19 <luke-jr__> oh
06:19 <luke-jr__> Lucifer_arma: what ports does spidey need to forward?
06:19 <Your_mom_arma> or tom dick or harry
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> 7000-8000 :)
06:19 <spidey> i'm dmz ftw
06:19 <luke-jr__> spidey: me too, it saves lots of trouble :p
06:19 <luke-jr__> actually, I'm just on a public IP :p
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: select Playground and click "Join"
06:20 <spidey> playground?
06:20 <luke-jr__> yeah
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06:26 <MrBougo> hello
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> hey
06:55 <MrBougo> *yawn*
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07:02 <philippeqc> Morning all
07:06 <luke-jr__> ...
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> er, wtf?
07:06 <spidey> ...
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> as long as it wasnt just me
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
07:06 <DrJoeTron> ew
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> how am I still playing?
07:06 <philippeqc> hello
07:07 <luke-jr__> dunno, it told me you all disconnected
07:07 <luke-jr__> can you reconnect, I wonder?
07:07 * luke-jr__ paused
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> its still playing locally
07:07 <luke-jr__> ..
07:08 <luke-jr__> that doesn't answer the ? :p
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see the game listed anymore
07:08 <luke-jr__> Lucifer has left YOG
07:08 <luke-jr__> :/
07:08 <luke-jr__> does LAN let you enter an IP?
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> ip address?
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> yes it does
07:08 <luke-jr__> inet addr:65.30.29.106 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
07:09 <luke-jr__> spidey: Your_mom_arma
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> nothing
07:10 <DrJoeTron> spidey? here?
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> did mom mke it in?
07:10 <MrBougo> "not connected" luke
07:10 <Your_mom_arma> huh?
07:10 <MrBougo> i tried too
07:10 <luke-jr__> ...
07:10 <MrBougo> LAN doesnt work, becuase it isnt LAN
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, we were kicking ass too
07:11 <luke-jr__> try YOG now
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> hd almost wiped out one ai, and I was in the proccess of setting up to attack another
07:11 <luke-jr__> I wiped out 2 AI
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> that worked
07:12 <MrBougo> can i join too?
07:12 <MrBougo> is it that 20070501 etc?
07:12 <luke-jr__> dunno
07:12 <luke-jr__> you weren't playing
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: Your_mom_arma (hi there!) ?
07:13 <luke-jr__> everyone remember your color :p
07:13 <luke-jr__> I think we'll need it
07:13 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
07:13 <MrBougo> i dont ge it
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> rejoin, mom
07:13 <MrBougo> "take an AI"
07:14 <MrBougo> muh
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> im still connected?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> take over an ai
07:14 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: nope
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> you're not, you're playing locally now
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> booo
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> apparently the game needs more network work than we originally thought ;)
07:14 <luke-jr__> I think we're about won
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> well im doing well
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> Globulation2(with horrible net code)
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
07:15 <luke-jr__> spidey probably hasn't noticed yet
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's kind of dumb that the game keeps playing when it breaks contact with the server
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> although I'ms tarting to suspect there isn't a single canonical server
07:18 <luke-jr__> I think it's p2p
07:19 <luke-jr__> tho it can't be
07:19 <luke-jr__> AIs must play somewhere
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> it being p2p would explain why all players have to open ports too, though
07:19 <luke-jr__> maybe MrBougo should take spidey
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ping
07:20 <luke-jr__> it could be semi-p2p
07:20 <luke-jr__> with the host merely running the AI
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> could be
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> well, it wouldnt explain why we couldnt start when i joined the second time
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> the host also has controls players don't have
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> luke check if starts okay
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: bugs could explain that just fine :)
07:21 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: nope
07:21 <Your_mom_arma> i noticed in a local game making a flag, increasing it to max size then placing of flag of the same kind down crashes the game
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I was doing something similar to that
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> only I was putting an exploration flag on top of a war flag
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> but I've done that in a local game without problems...
07:22 <luke-jr__> I have a crashing save :p
07:23 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, apperently they already know about this bug http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?19671
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> can you disable fog of war?
07:25 <luke-jr__> hm
07:25 <luke-jr__> I wonder what would happen if I took arma and made it delay the responses to "ping" packets
07:26 <Your_mom_arma> Scorched 3d?
07:27 <luke-jr__> and then claim my turns were 500ms before they were
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> sure, I can go for scorched, but I'd like to grab a smoke first if nobody minds
07:27 <luke-jr__> boo
07:27 <luke-jr__> no continue?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> no spidey and mom can't seem to join
07:27 <Your_mom_arma> luke check Globulation2(with horrible net code) and see if start is okay
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> this is a pretty neat game though, I hope they get the bugs worked out.....
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> it would be more stomachable if the net code didnt suck so hard
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> want to try the apoc mod again?
07:29 <Your_mom_arma> we where doing pretty well this time, aside from me walling of spidey by accident
07:29 <Your_mom_arma> i reinstalled Scorched 3d
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's not inherently bad to wall off allies, but it would be nice if we could hae a "forbid ally" field
07:30 <Your_mom_arma> well, all of warrushes guys seemed to be coming from there, i walled it off and no more warrush
07:30 <luke-jr__> Your_mom_arma: stop breaking it
07:30 <Your_mom_arma> its obviously my fault luke-jr__
07:31 <luke-jr__> yeah
07:31 <luke-jr__> it even puts a (0) next to your name now
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07:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, started the scorched server
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> where did spidey go?
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> i must have done something deliberate so we couldnt play because god forbid we finish a game where we have a good teamplay game working out with me doing so well
07:32 <luke-jr__> bet he's still playing
07:32 <luke-jr__> lol
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> doubt it, he was probobly stuck at 320x200 that whole time
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, I started a scorched server, join if you want, I'm a go grab a smoke
07:33 <luke-jr__> boo
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> when I get back, if it's still kicking mom, I'll restart it without apox
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> *apoc
07:33 <Your_mom_arma> who decided to make that the default res?
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07:36 <MrBougo> wtf?
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> did it kick you, mom?
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> nah, just wuit
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> quit
07:44 <Your_mom_arma> dont know what happened, but reinstalling fixed it
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07:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> anybody else for scorched3d?
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07:54 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ping
07:54 <DrJoeTron> paper pong
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> scorched
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> Scorched 3d servers up
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08:00 <DrJoeTron> ahh fuck it
08:00 <DrJoeTron> i'll be there soon
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> get there quick, mom needs a new target
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08:03 <DrJoeTron> :/
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08:09 <Lucifer_arma> joe?
08:09 <DrJoeTron> technical difficulties
08:09 <DrJoeTron> commin
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09:28 <MrBougo> hello
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09:46 <philippeqc> z-man: Is it possible to dynamically use the "version blocking" system to kick player out if certain new map elements are found?
09:47 <philippeqc> or am I taking the problem from the wrong side?
10:00 <z-man> It would be possible, but you need to have the map system memorize which of these elements are in use between rounds on your own. Then you can abuse the config system's version guard by having dummy config items that are marked incompatible with old versions and set them while an incompatible element is active.
10:02 * z-man switches back to konversation, Kopete does not handle suspend/resume. Name highlighting doesn't work.
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10:03 <philippeqc> I think I was aiming at that. Defined a nSettingItemWatched. At each parsing of the map, I was planning to set it back to the default, and change it away from the default if I encounter a new element
10:04 <philippeqc> but I dont know how to trigger it to re-read the element and figure it was updated.
10:04 -!- zman is now known as z-man
10:06 <z-man> I think the nSettingItemWatched has a Set()-Method that handles this automatically.
10:06 * z-man is off for breakfast
10:06 <philippeqc> ok
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11:35 <MrBougo> elo
11:41 <digitx> yello
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12:15 <digitx> hi
12:15 <digitx> brb
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12:20 <epsy> hi
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12:34 <MrBougo> wb
12:36 <digitx> ty
12:37 <digitx> #serverinfo norm's
12:37 <armabot> digitx: Norm's Place: Players (4/12): $_TrEnT_$ Spazy, %&kadab&% Juan, L2K|Fabi, wouter
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7212 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Added mechanism to kick old clients when polygon shapes are used
12:55 <MrBougo> bye
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13:15 <philippeqc> z-man: I've manage to abuse the version system to protect old clients now.
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13:16 <philippeqc> sadly now I'm observing the reversed problem that I've mentioned to you before. In this case, trunk client crash when creating a zone from branch server.
13:22 <philippeqc> I've noticed you marked the issue report as 20% done on flyspray. I was wondering if you had some hints to share, items I could investigate on my own
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13:51 <MrBougo> hello
13:51 <MrBougo> hello
13:53 <MrBougo> armabot, echo
13:53 <armabot> MrBougo: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
13:53 <MrBougo> :D
13:54 <digitx> XD
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14:07 <ackrite> re
14:08 <digitx> bye all :D
14:08 <ackrite> bye :)
14:13 <z-man> philippeqc: I did that? Strange, I haven't looked at it yet.
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14:35 <philippeqc> o maybe I saw the 20% on something else
14:37 <philippeqc> z-man: item #40, is at 20%. Mystery!
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15:01 <MrBougo> *bored*
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15:07 <MrBougo> bye
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16:32 <epsy> #armaconfig decorate
16:32 <armabot> epsy: Sorry, no matches :S
16:32 <epsy> #armaconfig console
16:32 <armabot> epsy: CONSOLE_COLUMNS: Number of characters in each line of console output (default: 78) || CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Prints a message on the console of all connected clients. (default: ) || CONSOLE_ROWS: Number of lines of console output without user intervention (default: 5) || CONSOLE_ROWS_MAX: Number of lines of console output when scrolling back (default: 19) || HISTORY_SIZE_CONSOLE: Number of lines (1 more message)
16:32 <epsy> #armaconfig console_de
16:32 <armabot> epsy: Sorry, no matches :S
16:32 <epsy> #more
16:32 <armabot> epsy: kept in the console history. (default: 10) || KEYBOARD 96 PLAYER_BIND CONSOLE_INPUT 0 : || KEYBOARD 94 PLAYER_BIND CONSOLE_INPUT 0 : || ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE: Message sent to clients after every round (default: )
16:32 <epsy> damn
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16:39 <madmax|pt> hi
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16:50 <MrBougo> hello
16:59 <P4> hi MrBougo
16:59 <MrBougo> yello
17:00 <P4> #ctwf
17:00 <armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (10/14): (god), <<K.A.I.N>>, aok yoshy, BlindMan's Dog, CTT|safarizone, hand, jimmy, KING, para-normal, ~|DS|~ Plage
17:00 <P4> you havent play for a long :}
17:00 <MrBougo> #lastseen Mr. Bougo
17:00 <MrBougo> i know :p
17:00 <armabot> MrBougo: Mr. Bougo has last been seen on Fortress Café 0 days 20 hours 54 minutes ago.
17:00 <P4> MrBougo: do you know where Lokeren is?
17:01 <MrBougo> yup
17:01 <MrBougo> belgium
17:01 <P4> have you been there? :}
17:01 <MrBougo> nope
17:01 <P4> i got cousing living there
17:01 <P4> cousin*
17:01 <P4> maybe you kow Wlodek Lubanski? :}
17:01 <P4> one of famous polish fottbal player
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17:20 <MrBougo> nope
17:24 <MrBougo> bye
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17:29 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen MaZuffeR
17:30 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Not Mazuffer has last been seen on Fortress Café 5 days 21 hours 17 minutes ago.
17:30 <epsy> #lastseen epsy
17:30 <armabot> epsy: kk~epsy has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 3 days 19 hours 31 minutes ago.
17:30 <epsy> ewww
17:30 <epsy> so munch time ago
17:31 * epsy finishes the line and will go play
17:31 <MaZuffeR> i haven't played with my real name in almost two weeks
17:31 <epsy> Oo
17:46 <madmax|pt> http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/04/30/spread-this-number/ HD-DVD decryption key...
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19:29 <MrBougo> ehllo
19:29 <MrBougo> armabot, hello
19:29 <armabot> Hello MrBougo :) Random Fortune: Gypsy robot: You want to die? || Bender: No, I wanna live! There's still too many things I don't own.
19:29 <spidey> ..
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19:30 <spidey> lame
19:30 <MrBougo> ?
19:31 <MrBougo> how did you get that "unaffiliated" stuff?
19:31 <spidey> asked for it
19:31 <MrBougo> is it a proxy, bouncer, whatever?
19:31 <spidey> no
19:31 <spidey> pm a freenode staff member
19:31 <MrBougo> oh
19:34 <digitx> :)
19:37 <Lucifer_arma> haha. I read it as "I'm a freenode staff member"
19:43 <MrBougo> wtf
19:43 <MrBougo> sometimes you read things so wrong
19:44 <MrBougo> and it goes stupid
19:44 <MrBougo> or gross
19:44 <MrBougo> or both
19:51 <luke-jr_work> lol
19:57 <MrBougo> yay!
19:57 * MrBougo is now playing: DJ Shah and Pedro Del Mar present - Mellomania USA May 2007 (D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - European Trance, Techno, Hi-NRG... we can't define it!)
19:57 <MrBougo> Mellomania!
19:57 <MrBougo> this show is amazing
19:58 <MrBougo> it always give me shivers
20:05 <MrBougo> welcome to awayland
20:05 <MrBougo> #lastseen away
20:05 <madmax|pt> trance,techno, yuck
20:05 <MrBougo> its not really techno
20:05 <MrBougo> i wonder why they put techno and hi-nrg there
20:06 <MrBougo> it's more trance, proggy trance, and proggy house
20:06 <armabot> MrBougo: timed out
20:06 <MrBougo> aw
20:06 <MrBougo> dont you like elctro?
20:08 <MrBougo> aw this track sucks
20:10 <madmax|pt> more like deep house
20:11 <MrBougo> did you lsten?
20:11 <MrBougo> deep and proggy sometimes
20:11 <MrBougo> but more trance
20:11 <MrBougo> in general
20:11 <MrBougo> i'm out
20:11 <MrBougo> cyas!
20:12 <MrBougo> nigt :)
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21:15 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: SPACEZONE III (11 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (10 players) || The Arena (10 players) || Norm's Place (9 players) || Sumo Bar (8 players) || Bugfarm Elimination Sumo (7 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< (6 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (6 (1 more message)
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21:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=232983&cid=18941605
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21:28 <ackrite> re
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21:56 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
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22:05 <|Sticky|> #tea
22:05 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:07 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:07 <Vanhayes> liar
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22:46 <spidey> "and when i'm going to hell, and i'm getting ready to leave, i'ma put air in a bag and charge people to breathe" :D
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23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7213 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zZone.cpp: (log message trimmed)
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Hacky fix for the zone read crash: the zone shape is only written and read
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: if server and all clients know about it. Potential danger: the message that
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: tells the client if that changes may come in out of order with a zone
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: creation message. Also, it would be good if usesShape would always be true
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: (and removed) and the shape member pointer would always be set used;
23:07 <armabot> armagetronad: currently, the client WILL read the zone shape info whether it was written
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23:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 79.9°F (4:15 PM CDT on May 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 28.93 in 979.6 hPa (Falling).
23:13 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6612529.stm
23:22 <z-man> Stupid Defcon tournament, now I have to keep awake until 2 AM + game lengh just because a majority of idiots voted to "let players organize times themselves". Bah.
23:23 <z-man> We've got everything from GMT+8 to GMT-6 in my group :/
23:23 <z-man> And ONE FUCKING ASSHOLE WHO CAN ONLY PLAY THURSDAYS AND TUESDAYS, dammit.
23:25 <ghableska> o_O
23:25 <ghableska> keep lots of coffee nearby?
23:29 <madmax|pt> does goody use msn?
23:30 <|Sticky|> whats defcon?
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23:32 <ghableska> |Sticky|, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defcon_(game)
23:34 <|Sticky|> interesting, this got a single player ability?
23:35 <ghableska> single and multiplayer
23:35 <|Sticky|> bugger no linux version
23:35 <ghableska> but multiplayer is much more fun :D
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23:37 <|Sticky|> altho linux version is "coming soon"
23:37 <|Sticky|> #tea
23:37 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: No online players.
23:41 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo elim
23:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (13/16): -*$P*-<y<lo, Digbert Humples, digthafreeworld, indica, madmax, Nasa, Raidon, Sativa, ShowHealion, Vanhayes, }HAWK{, ~|DS-T|~ error, ¦Ö¦FoFo
23:41 <ghableska> hmm
23:41 <ghableska> popular
23:42 <|Sticky|> yeah its not a good time to be a player that dosnt like sumo
23:43 <z-man> |Sticky|: there is a linux beta version of Defcon available: http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon/viewtopic.php?t=4016&highlight=
23:43 <z-man> mmm, coffee.
23:43 <|Sticky|> why are crazy people playing tron on battery?
23:44 <|Sticky|> surely the battery life while palying will be a few min...unless you accept >30 fps
23:44 <|Sticky|> z-man: thanks for the link
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23:52 <Vanhayes> elimination tourney starts in 4 minutes, if anyone wanted to know
23:53 <luke-jr_work> liar
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00:03 <|Sticky|> wow just set a new record for sucking in the tournament
00:14 <luke-jr_work> :)
00:15 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_work: your a liar
00:15 <luke-jr_work> you're*
00:16 <Vanhayes> iliar
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00:52 <Vanhayes> elim tourney starting again, 5 minutes
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01:04 <Vanhayes> #tea
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
01:08 <|Sticky|> defcon is a very sedate game
01:09 <Vanhayes> hmm, isnt that the onw where you declear nuclear war on each other?
01:09 <z-man> that one, yes.
01:11 <|Sticky|> quite good
01:11 <|Sticky|> i suck
01:11 <z-man> did the AI kick your ass?
01:11 <|Sticky|> yup
01:12 <|Sticky|> bit too much micro management for me to handle first time out
01:12 <z-man> That won't happen often, it acts rather predictably.
01:12 <z-man> yeah, it is micro heavy.
01:12 <|Sticky|> the sea battles are the worst
01:12 <z-man> fighters get lost due to fuel shortage all of the time.
01:13 <|Sticky|> that and you are busy trying to destry entier continents and dont notice that huge battle group comeing at you from the other direciton
01:14 <|Sticky|> yay new 24 is out
01:17 <|Sticky|> #tea
01:17 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Goodygumdrops, Lackadaisical, madmax, Vanhayes, °°RageLord
01:18 <|Sticky|> ooh finaly
01:18 <xfroggy> wow finally cafe
01:18 <|Sticky|> just as i started bit torrent too
01:18 <xfroggy> i just got lazy :P
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01:39 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: you are a glob2
01:41 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig cycle_snyc
01:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:41 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig cycle_syncc
01:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:41 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig cycle_sync
01:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: CYCLE_SYNC_FF: Speed of simulation of the extrapolating sync; decrease for lower CPU load, but higher effective ping (default: 10) || CYCLE_SYNC_FF_STEPS: Number of extrapolation simulation timesteps each real timestep; increase for better accuracy (default: 1) || CYCLE_SYNC_INTERVAL_ENEMY: Time in seconds between server-client updates of enemy cycles (default: 1) || (1 more message)
01:41 <Vanhayes> #more
01:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: CYCLE_SYNC_INTERVAL_SELF: Time in seconds between server-client updates of enemy cycles owned by the client itself (default: 0.1)
01:41 <Vanhayes> hmm
01:48 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: any idea what those all do?
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02:28 <z-man> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, the one guy we postponed the game for to 2 AM didn't show up.
02:28 * z-man angrily goes to bed
02:29 <z-man> Vanhayes: no need to mess with them, usually.
02:34 <DrJoeTron> WADAYA BUYIN
02:34 <DrJoeTron> WADAYA SELLIN
02:34 <DrJoeTron> AHHHH! I'll buyit atta HIGH price!
02:34 <DrJoeTron> GOTALOTTA GOOD THINGS ON SALE!
02:45 <Your_mom_arma> COME BACK ANY TIME
02:46 <Your_mom_arma> the merch in re4 is the best
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04:09 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:09 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 67.6°F (9:10 PM CDT on May 01, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling).
04:15 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:15 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 68.4°F (9:20 PM CDT on May 01, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
04:23 <ghableska> anyone noticed how digg is swamped with that HD-DVD processing key?
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04:49 <DrJoeTron> wb
04:50 <Your_mom_arma> ty
04:52 <DrJoeTron> FUCKING 7th gym
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05:00 <GodTodd> i agree, joe
05:15 <ghableska> #night
05:15 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:16 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:16 <DrJoeTron> i've got some unsettling shit for you to know
05:16 <DrJoeTron> i'll tell you in a bit
05:16 <DrJoeTron> but god
05:16 <DrJoeTron> damn
05:19 <DrJoeTron> its just
05:19 <DrJoeTron> man
05:30 <DrJoeTron> ok
05:30 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
05:30 <armabot> DrJoeTron: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cage” at the moment, sorry.
05:30 <DrJoeTron> FUCKER
05:33 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
05:33 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
05:33 <DrJoeTron> ok
05:33 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma meet me there if you can
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000419.htm <--- this is a good fit
05:45 <GodTodd> gots yourself some bursitis, eh?
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> since the home treatment is pretty simple, and also pretty general, I think I'll go for it
05:48 <GodTodd> yeah
05:48 <GodTodd> bursitis isn't really that big a deal
05:48 <GodTodd> just kinda painful
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically "take ibuprofin, use ice packs, wear a bandage, and don't fuck it up more"
05:48 <GodTodd> heh
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess I'll go find some ibuprofin now
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> aha! found some
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's not too late, maybe I'll be able to fence on friday :)
05:51 <GodTodd> :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> my wife asked me why I needed it, I told her I was going to eat it like candy :)
05:52 <GodTodd> haha
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> did I mention my right ankle is swollen too?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> I just noticed it, it hasn't been hurting at all :/
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> but seriously, don't let this discourage you from fencing :)
05:53 <GodTodd> heh
05:53 <GodTodd> actually, there is a fencing place not far from my house
05:55 * GodTodd has learned not to click luke-jr links.
05:55 * Lucifer_arma too
05:55 * GodTodd would beg to differ.
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06:26 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr are you the one posting all of those hd-dvd keys?
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06:32 <spidey> if i've already did make and makeinstall, when i want to reuse it do i have to do make/makeinstall again after i rerun ./configure?
06:32 <spidey> well, make, i know i have to run makeinstall
06:34 <epsy> cu
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06:37 * GodTodd farts.
06:39 * Stempo dies
06:39 * Stempo pokes spidey
06:39 <Stempo> (in death of course)
06:39 * spidey stabs Stempo
06:39 <Stempo> :O
06:40 * Stempo kicks spidey where his nuts should be
06:40 <Stempo> hey spidey nice to see you too
06:41 <spidey> :D
06:41 <Stempo> I mean I just get home and already I'm assaulted
06:42 <Stempo> (with Todds fart)
06:43 * Stempo pokes Todd
06:43 <Stempo> soooooooooooooooooooooooo
06:43 <GodTodd> ow
06:44 <Stempo> Todd!
06:44 <Stempo> ^_^
06:44 <Stempo> I'm mad at you -.-
06:44 <GodTodd> for what now?
06:45 <Stempo> you didn't wish me happy b-day on my b-day
06:45 <GodTodd> bah...bdays are just another day
06:45 <GodTodd> :P
06:45 <Stempo> yeah but it was my sweet 16!
06:45 <Stempo> (so watch out I'm driving!)
06:45 <Stempo> (legally!)
06:46 <GodTodd> i'm almost to my sweet 16 too
06:46 <GodTodd> :)
06:46 <Stempo> Sweet! lol
06:47 <GodTodd> it counts if it's a multiple, right?
06:47 <Stempo> are you ever gonna finish the other stories?
06:47 <Stempo> right
06:47 <GodTodd> maybe...been really busy with school and stuff lately
06:47 <GodTodd> and next week is finals
06:47 <DrJoeTron> durp durp
06:48 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: stfu
06:48 <GodTodd> :)
06:48 <DrJoeTron> guess what
06:48 <GodTodd> chickenbutt
06:48 <DrJoeTron> CHICKEN
06:48 <DrJoeTron> BUTT
06:48 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
06:48 <DrJoeTron> :/
06:48 <GodTodd> :D
06:49 * GodTodd flicks joe for keeping unsettling secrets
06:49 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <GodTodd> Stempo: happy late bday btw :P
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> unbirthdays ftw
06:52 <DrJoeTron> isn't that the day you die?
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> no, every day that isnt your birthday is an unbirthday
06:53 <Stempo> well it's my b-day till I say it's over!
06:54 <Your_mom_arma> have a very merry unbirthday song
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> so you're like 12 now, right?
06:54 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma not anymore
06:54 <DrJoeTron> see the longer the birthday
06:54 <DrJoeTron> your age triples
06:54 <DrJoeTron> she's like 37 now
06:54 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:54 <GodTodd> i do it like timezones...today was Todd'sBirthday - 5
06:54 <Your_mom_arma> go for the high score!
06:54 <DrJoeTron> RIP Toddbot :(
06:54 <Stempo> really? sweet now I can hit on people legally
06:55 <DrJoeTron> jail bait :"/
06:55 <DrJoeTron> thats gross
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> man, I had my second sweet sixteen last year
06:55 <GodTodd> rip toddbot?
06:55 <DrJoeTron> isn't toddbot dead?
06:55 <GodTodd> nope
06:55 <DrJoeTron> BRING HIM BACK
06:55 <GodTodd> luke banned him
06:55 <DrJoeTron> so he's dead
06:55 <Your_mom_arma> toddbot the sequel
06:55 <GodTodd> nope
06:55 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:55 <DrJoeTron> toddbott 2
06:55 <GodTodd> he's on two other channels
06:55 <DrJoeTron> the toddening
06:55 <GodTodd> :P
06:56 <Your_mom_arma> the shaving!
06:56 <DrJoeTron> why did luke ban him :(
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> THE AGONY!!!!
06:56 <GodTodd> shaving? what a waste of time
06:56 <Your_mom_arma> because its luke
06:56 <DrJoeTron> but toddbot was likeable
06:56 <DrJoeTron> fuck man he came to lunch
06:56 <GodTodd> it's cuz he hates sports
06:56 <DrJoeTron> chit chatted
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few of us who think 1 bot is enough for any channel
06:57 <GodTodd> and i loaded it with sports rss feeds :)
06:57 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> load armabot with sports rss feeds :)
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> #armabot , i'll never betray you
06:57 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
06:57 <DrJoeTron> but toddbot was something speciak
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> speciak even
06:57 <DrJoeTron> hahhaha
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's more than special
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's like special, with a k!
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> (no relation to special k)
06:57 <GodTodd> that's special++
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> yumm
06:58 <Your_mom_arma> i like it with the dehidrated strawberries
06:58 <GodTodd> dehydrated are better
06:58 <DrJoeTron> yeah see that was good
06:58 <DrJoeTron> raisin bran crunch is amazing
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> rehydrated are best
06:58 <DrJoeTron> i want a cereal with dehydrated icecream
06:58 <GodTodd> ahhh but it sounds more clinical when you call it reconstituted
06:58 <Your_mom_arma> nah
06:58 <DrJoeTron> space food :o
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> that just makes me reconstipated
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> that would taste like those gross cerials with yogurt clusters
06:59 <GodTodd> i used to be able to get spacefood all the time
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> space museum?
06:59 <GodTodd> yep
06:59 <DrJoeTron> SHUT UP NO IT WOULDNT
06:59 <GodTodd> see, Lucifer_arma knows
06:59 <GodTodd> he down wit dat
06:59 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd and i go way back
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> man, as soon as I build a rocket that goes to the moon, I'm going to invent free fall cooking
07:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma:
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> man can't settle the solar system on that shit nasa eats
07:00 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:00 <spidey> why would a server show up on the master list but not allow connections?
07:00 <GodTodd> hahaha
07:00 <spidey> when there's 6 other servers running on the same server
07:00 <GodTodd> spidey: cuz it's on the rag?
07:00 <DrJoeTron> because it plays shitty zombie mod servers :V
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: that's a good question
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: max_clients ?
07:00 <DrJoeTron> spidey theres a mod you need to get
07:00 <spidey> DrJoeTron: i'll say it once more
07:00 <spidey> fuck off
07:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: nah
07:00 <DrJoeTron> Zombie Master
07:00 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: it says connection refused
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ran out of ports open in your firewall?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> http://www.zombiemaster.org/ its in alpha but its alot of fun
07:01 <spidey> there isn't a firewall
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> ban yourself on accident? (nah, it'd say you were banned)
07:01 <spidey> [May 02 01:04:38] [0] Bound socket to *.*.*.*:4539.
07:01 <spidey> it won't let anyone connect
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> sure there's no firewall?
07:01 <spidey> wait
07:02 <spidey> maybe i made a mistake and lost count of server_port
07:02 <spidey> lemme check all the other servers
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> thsi can't be the spidey we all know
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> what did you do with our spidey?
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> we're about 1 person away from 6 active scorched players in this channel
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey never admits even the possibility of making a mistake
07:02 * GodTodd farts.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> really?
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> who we got?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> are you counting luke as active?
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> spidey GodTodd Lucifer_arma DrJoeTron Your_mom_arma
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes doesn't come around anymore?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> only he's not terribly active anyway
07:03 <GodTodd> depends on your definition of active i guess
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> i mean activly chatting right now
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> if you hve it installed and you're ready to play at the drop of a hat, you're an active scorched player
07:03 <spidey> that's not it
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we should start a new general purpose gaming channel
07:04 <DrJoeTron> no
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> pong
07:04 <DrJoeTron> clutter this place up
07:04 <GodTodd> i don't think i've got it installed since changing oses
07:04 <GodTodd> heh
07:04 <DrJoeTron> #armagamestron
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> thats 6, we could get a 3 v 3 team game going
07:04 <DrJoeTron> #gameoftheweek
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> couple of problems with that assessment, mom :)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> 1) spidey's fixing his server
07:05 <GodTodd> #everygamerunsfineformeexceptglob2
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> 2) GodTodd doesn't have it installed
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> 3) Lucifer_arma is going to bed in a few minutes
07:05 <DrJoeTron> yeah because it TAKES SO LONG to get scorched
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> 4) THere is no #4.
07:05 <DrJoeTron> 15 MINUTES
07:05 <DrJoeTron> HOW DOES TIME FLY around these partst
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> I had to build it
07:05 <DrJoeTron> ew
07:05 <Your_mom_arma> well, one day i'ld like a 3v3 team Scorched 3d game
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, I say "had", but it was that or use the ancient rpm mandriva had
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I could go for that, one day
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> one day I'd like to start writing my own strategy game
07:06 <GodTodd> yeah..it looks like i'd have to build it to get 40.1d
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> AND i'M NOT GOING TO USE ANYBODY'S ENGINE!
07:06 <DrJoeTron> VROOM VROOM
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: I'm just getting to where I can consistently beat nimbi and castro
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> but I tore up castro on the one vs one map a few minutes ago
07:07 <spidey> hm
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> warrush starts war with less then 10 lvl1 warriors thats his problem
07:07 <spidey> ./configure --disable-glout --prefix=
07:07 <spidey> that's right?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: that works on a few maps though
07:07 <spidey> that might be my problem then xD
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> put your enemy on the defensive, even if you're not ready for full-scale war
07:08 <spidey> wait
07:08 <spidey> that's not it, cause i used the samething for another server that's working
07:08 <spidey> (i think
07:08 <Your_mom_arma> hows nicowar? is he any better?
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I want a world-scoped strategy game that uses an actual globe
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> no squares, no hexes
07:08 <Your_mom_arma> SPORE!!!
07:09 <DrJoeTron> <Your_mom_arma> SPORE!!!
07:09 <DrJoeTron> I WANT TF2
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I wnat it to be civ-like, but I'm starting to lean toward rts
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> rts like globulation, where you don't directly manage your units
07:09 <Stempo> night all
07:09 <DrJoeTron> tar tart
07:09 * GodTodd farts.
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07:09 <Lucifer_arma> anybody think that sounds interesting, or am I stretching it?
07:09 <Your_mom_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_(video_game)
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, it should take more time to manage a bigger civ
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> but there should be lots of automation to help, becuase it doesn't make sense that the God of the People has to manually move every engineer and every phalanx
07:10 <Your_mom_arma> luci did you check out that link?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't, hang on
07:11 <Your_mom_arma> no
07:11 <Your_mom_arma> hippie
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I just assumed it as a) closed source, b) not available for linux, and c) lucifer uses too many ordered lists in irc
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07:11 <MrBougo> hello
07:11 <Your_mom_arma> it is
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's closed source
07:12 <DrJoeTron> well
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> i cant help it
07:12 * Lucifer_arma absolutely refuses to play closed source games
07:12 <DrJoeTron> the requirements are NO luke-jr's allowed
07:12 <MrBougo> what are you talking about?
07:12 <DrJoeTron> so we're cool
07:12 <DrJoeTron> Spore
07:12 <MrBougo> hehe Lucifer_arma, that's a nice idea
07:12 <MrBougo> how is it called?
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: in the third person like every other game
07:12 <DrJoeTron> good
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> luci's played console games so is that him breaking his own rules?
07:13 <DrJoeTron> then don't
07:13 <DrJoeTron> oooooo
07:13 <MrBougo> what's the name of the game i mean
07:13 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck off
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> ? name one cconsole game I've played since 2001
07:13 <MrBougo> mmmh
07:13 <Your_mom_arma> i cant:(
07:13 <MrBougo> 2001 second episode
07:14 <MrBougo> a console game heh
07:14 <DrJoeTron> can we change the name of this channel to #YOURGAMESSUCK
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> i like how i mention one closed source game and every one jumps down my throat
07:14 <MrBougo> Your_mom_arma, what's that game
07:14 <DrJoeTron> hey man, i want spore probably more than you do :(
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> spore
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmmm...... I was fully prepared to just not comment on it until you said "It's open source and runs in linux!"
07:14 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> which is what I usually do when people mention unfamiliar games here..... ;)
07:15 <DrJoeTron> So guys
07:15 <DrJoeTron> i have this car
07:15 <DrJoeTron> i refuse to drive it
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> i didnt say any such thing
07:15 <DrJoeTron> because it uses gas
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> needs a head job
07:15 * GodTodd needs a head job
07:15 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma brian eno is still doing the soundtrack right?
07:15 <DrJoeTron> because thats reason enough for me
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the script.
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> just like we're supposed to say "Windows version available" to get you guys to care aobut the games we bring in :)
07:16 <DrJoeTron> well
07:16 <DrJoeTron> duh
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> okay, fair enough
07:16 <DrJoeTron> we need to know "windows version" so we can play it with you
07:17 <DrJoeTron> i could also build a car
07:17 <DrJoeTron> rather than just buy one
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I guess the difference is I don't have to say "it's open source" because a) you don't care anyway, and b) I wouldn't have wasted too much time looking at it otherwise, so it's already filtered
07:17 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr: or you could get react OS
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> does react OS run outside of qemu yet?
07:17 * Lucifer_arma likes that project a lot
07:17 <MrBougo> heh, most of opensource games are multi-os,, right?
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: drivers
07:18 <DrJoeTron> tend to be yes
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: it appears that way, although I haven't tried to start up a Konquest game because that's only out for kde
07:18 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma do you know if brian eno is still doing the soundtrack?
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld say 4 out of 5 are multi platform
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: last I checked it was still missing significant parts of the HAL
07:18 <MrBougo> some kde games are awesome
07:18 <MrBougo> Kolf
07:18 * MrBougo created the Kolf fanclub
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, Kolf is awesome
07:19 <MrBougo> it's totally sucky but you cant stop playing it
07:19 <MrBougo> it's indeed awesome
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> my kids are liking the noderunner clone, too, I forget what it's called
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_(video_game)#Music
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> Kolf is damn addicting
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: that's not the same thing as running on real hardware.....
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> (which is what I meant by "outside of qemu")
07:20 <DrJoeTron> AWESOME
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> when I last tried it (last release, I think) in qemu, it kept crashing
07:20 <DrJoeTron> oh god
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> I said "yep, this is a good windows clone"
07:20 <DrJoeTron> so many games coming out
07:20 <DrJoeTron> TF2 and Spore i'm looking forward to
07:20 <DrJoeTron> and Portal
07:20 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to lose my life to Portal
07:20 <MrBougo> spore looks good
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, we just started waves in my physics class, and now I want to work on that pirate game again
07:21 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:21 <GodTodd> python i suppose
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> man, if I could work out the small conceptual problem of different timescales for multiplayer, I'd be all over it
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe, hmmmm, there's an idea
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> it could just spring up an encounter for everyone at the same time
07:22 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if3Qv2tHyfA :D
07:22 <DrJoeTron> :D :D :D :D :D: D
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> luci, timescales in multiplayer?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: yeah, two timescales to think about
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> ?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> 1) sailing around in the ocean. This is usually run at a really high timescale, like 10 sec = 1 week or something like that
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> 2) battle, which is normally run at realtime
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> so if you're in a battle and I'm sailing around the ocean, we're at different timescales
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> how do you resolve that?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, a human running the game could pull that off. :) However, it just occured to me to just make everyone have encounters at the same time,
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> and have being in port an exception
07:24 <DrJoeTron> watch my video plz :/
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> thats old DrJoeTron
07:24 <DrJoeTron> is there any new videos?
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> no
07:24 <DrJoeTron> exactly
07:25 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
07:25 <DrJoeTron> man
07:25 <DrJoeTron> I'm gonna have to upgrade for these games
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> an alternative is to just not bother with a campaign mode and just do the sail ship battle simulation
07:25 <MrBougo> joe that game looks awesome
07:25 <DrJoeTron> :D
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: python might be ok for the server, but since I want to do a real wave simulation now, and have the game 3d, the client would have to be c++ more than likely
07:26 <GodTodd> ahh
07:26 <Your_mom_arma> luci mabey combine your 2 ideas
07:26 <Your_mom_arma> a global rts sirate game
07:27 <Your_mom_arma> pirate*
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Man, I want to build settlers"
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> "This is a pirate game, you don't build settlers, you steal from them!"
07:27 <Your_mom_arma> vikings ftw
07:28 <DrJoeTron> ARGH
07:28 <DrJoeTron> I'm not talkin pirate
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> this game will be rated ARRRRR
07:28 <DrJoeTron> I'm talking anger for pokeyman
07:28 <DrJoeTron> fucking gymleader
07:28 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron was talking sirate
07:28 <MrBougo> not pirate
07:29 <DrJoeTron> i was talkin chicken butt
07:29 <MrBougo> :D
07:29 <MrBougo> ARRR CHICKENBUTT
07:38 <DrJoeTron> THAR BE CHICKENBUTT
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> what was that, joe?
07:38 <MrBougo> that's a nice project name
07:38 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma chickenbutt
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: sorry, I don't speak bitch
07:38 <DrJoeTron> WOAH
07:38 <DrJoeTron> :(
07:38 <MrBougo> chickenbutt you meant
07:38 <GodTodd> then how do you communicate with luke-jr?
07:38 <DrJoeTron> slap your penis on the keyboard
07:38 <DrJoeTron> and hit enter
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: he doesn't speak bitch, he speaks snitch
07:38 <DrJoeTron> see luke-jr did it pretty good
07:38 <MrBougo> haha
07:38 <MrBougo> i'm out
07:38 <GodTodd> i don't have enough keys tho
07:38 <GodTodd> :/
07:38 <MrBougo> xD
07:38 <GodTodd> still not enough
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> hey, y'all saw that dell's going to sell pcs with ubuntu preinstalled, right?
07:38 <MrBougo> is it ubuntu!
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> it is, MrBougo (hi there!)
07:38 <MrBougo> THERE'S ONE "K" MISSING SOMEWHERE
07:38 <MrBougo> ok, ubuntu is ok
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> ubuntu is fine by me
07:38 <MrBougo> would be beter with kubuntu
07:38 <MrBougo> i hate gnome
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> because it's a cinch to put the K into it
07:38 <GodTodd> grrr....i mean, ARRRR
07:38 <GodTodd> configure: error: *** Check the OpenAL library is correctly installed.
07:38 <MrBougo> i'm out
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: install openal then
07:38 <GodTodd> i did
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> install the -dev package now
07:38 <MrBougo> yay, laptops without havein to pay for the OS :D
07:38 <MrBougo> bye
07:38 <GodTodd> openal-dev?
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07:38 <Lucifer_arma> something like that
07:38 <DrJoeTron> oh look luke-jr is going to make a digg joke
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> there's always a binary-only package, and then a package with headers and shit for developin apps that use it
07:38 <DrJoeTron> dell makes horrible laptops
07:38 <DrJoeTron> and horrible pc's
07:38 <GodTodd> libalut-dev - OpenAL Utility Toolkit development files <-- this maybe?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> rather, it looks promising
07:38 <GodTodd> doesn't pc stand for personal computer?
07:38 <DrJoeTron> HA HA HA luke-jr is on the ball tonight
07:38 <DrJoeTron> still not changing the fact they they still fucking suck
07:38 <DrJoeTron> the world?
07:38 <DrJoeTron> i know the world is flat
07:38 <DrJoeTron> ya cuz ur fat laffo
07:38 <DrJoeTron> /join #lukejrmarriage
07:39 <GodTodd> hrmm...that didn't fix it :/
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: keep looking, it's in there somewhere
07:40 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr leaves and most chat dies down
07:40 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> ?
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> Hello
07:41 <DrJoeTron> any1 wanna join my clam
07:41 <GodTodd> is it a bearded clam?
07:42 <DrJoeTron> its leet rubber
07:42 <DrJoeTron> i wanna go griefing people
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> all the rubber players say I camp!
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> I say "you didn't make the box small enough"
07:43 <DrJoeTron> cuz ur a nub
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> they say "aksdfj asdjfas;dfjwoi uwfu289822 8tit bks camper1!!"
07:43 <GodTodd> checking for beer in -lfridge... no
07:43 <GodTodd> Warning: No beer found in fridge!
07:43 <GodTodd> We highly suggest that you rectify this situation immediately.
07:43 <GodTodd> hahaha
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> and sometimes it's worth compiling a program jsut to see what's in the configure output :)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: that's different, you do camp
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I went in under a fake name to mbc, and wizzee threatened to kick me for camping
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I still wonder if she ever realized that was me :)
07:45 <DrJoeTron> well Lucifer_arma
07:45 <DrJoeTron> DWH
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07:45 <DrJoeTron> nuff said
07:45 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> this waas before she quit
07:45 <Durka> #hello
07:46 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: BOFH Excuse #450: || Terrorists crashed an airplane into the server room, have to remove /bin/laden. (rm -rf /bin/laden)
07:46 * Durka blows up luke-jr
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody actually think BOFH is funny?
07:46 <Durka> wow
07:46 <GodTodd> [00:50] * Durka blows luke-jr
07:46 <DrJoeTron> Alucard is Dracula backwards
07:46 <DrJoeTron> consider
07:46 <DrJoeTron> my
07:46 <Durka> that's a bit coicedental
07:46 <DrJoeTron> mind
07:46 <DrJoeTron> blown
07:46 <Durka> that when i typed #hello, it was about terrorists and crashing planes
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> only problem with that logic, DrJoeTron (hi there!)
07:46 <Durka> #hello
07:46 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Han Solo: || Chewie and I will check it out, you two stay here. || Luke Skywalker: || Quietly. There may be more of them out there. || Han Solo: || Hey, it's me.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> vlad dracula:romanians::george washington:americans
07:47 <Durka> People are wanting a CTF Ladle
07:47 <Durka> there's 2 teams that are wanting it
07:47 <Durka> I'm sure we could get 2 more
07:47 <Durka> and play it this sunday
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> tell 'em to eat my shorts
07:47 <Durka> after the fortress ladle
07:47 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: you were shorts???
07:47 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma only problem with that logic Lucifer_arma
07:47 <Durka> clothers***
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I was shorts
07:48 <Durka> so joe
07:48 <Durka> lol luci
07:48 <DrJoeTron> You didn't play Castlevania Symphony of the Night
07:48 <Durka> so joe
07:48 <Durka> how's your ms paint troublesh00t?
07:48 <DrJoeTron> sh00t?
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: irrelevant. :) Bram Stoker took the name of somebody's national hero and made it into a villain
07:48 <Durka> shea
07:48 <DrJoeTron> how do you fuck up mspaint :/
07:48 <Durka> lol
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> vlad the impaler>dracula
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> someone needs to have a character in a web comic named something like Duke Washington, Vampire of Pennsylvania
07:49 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma thats irrelevant since its a video game :)
07:49 <DrJoeTron> video games aren't know for being logically sound
07:49 <DrJoeTron> known even
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: vlad the impaler's last name was dracula, he was a prince and not a count, and he held off the turks long enough for the rest of europe to rally using ingenious guerrilla tactics
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> and there is some thin documented evidence that Bram Stoker picked the name dracula from vlad dracula, but that evidence is contested
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, not that it matters a whole lot. Just interesting trivia (to me, anyway)
07:51 <Your_mom_arma> zombies are the new vampires
07:51 * Lucifer_arma got curious when his physics teacher said he ws from Romania
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> transylvania, to be precise.
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> and the class is only at night! waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:52 <Your_mom_arma> isnt his family buried near his castle(vlads)?
07:54 <Your_mom_arma> meh, i dont know much about vlad other then the hero to his people fact
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08:04 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, I just realized I haven't eaten dinner
08:07 <mkzelda> #weather #27545
08:07 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
08:07 <armabot> mkzelda: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "#27545".
08:07 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 71.8°F (2:12 AM EDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
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08:08 <GodTodd> bah fuck it
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> you could just build openal from scratch
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hard at all
08:26 <GodTodd> i might try that next
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08:30 <GodTodd> hrmm
08:30 <GodTodd> how do i build it from scratch?
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11:35 <DrJoeTron> anyone awake?
11:42 <P4> yes DrJoeTron?
11:43 <DrJoeTron> you know how to take video and covert it to image files fram by frame?
11:44 <P4> you mean avi2gif?
11:44 <P4> #google avi2gif
11:44 <armabot> P4: Error: Error connecting to Google.com.
11:45 <DrJoeTron> i was JUST THINKING THAT
11:45 <P4> hmm... gif isn't familiar with *nix/macs
11:45 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: mplayer can do it
11:45 <wrtlprnft> or mencoder, same thing really
11:45 <P4> Xconv ;}
11:46 <P4> hi wrtlprnft :}
11:47 <DrJoeTron> welp
11:47 <DrJoeTron> it wont conver these
11:47 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: mplayer -vo png yourmovie.ogg
11:47 <wrtlprnft> hi
11:47 <DrJoeTron> they're avi's :/
11:47 <wrtlprnft> so what?
11:48 <wrtlprnft> mplayer can play pretty much everything with the right codec
11:48 <P4> is png animate?
11:48 <DrJoeTron> and what used to be flash video files
11:48 <DrJoeTron> nope
11:48 <wrtlprnft> mplayer can play .flv
11:48 <DrJoeTron> it supports transparencies though
11:48 <P4> oh
11:48 <wrtlprnft> -vo jpeg exists, too
11:48 <P4> DrJoeTron: id you use windows, it's pretty easier to do that
11:48 <wrtlprnft> guess what it will do.
11:50 <DrJoeTron> i feel dirty turning against VLC
11:50 <P4> can't VLC do that work?
11:51 <wrtlprnft> vlc doesn't even have a manpage, so no clue if it can capture frams
11:51 <wrtlprnft> *frames
11:51 <DrJoeTron> vlc can take screen shots
11:51 <DrJoeTron> but don't know if it can just convert video to image
11:52 <wrtlprnft> grr, just use mplayer…
11:52 <P4> :}
11:53 <P4> yes, vlc is once of this unique software which can capture the video window as picture ;}
11:53 <wrtlprnft> *insert “mplayer <comparison operator>” vlc here*
11:53 <P4> brb :}
11:53 <DrJoeTron> would be sweet if it had a user friend interface
11:54 <DrJoeTron> friendly
11:54 <DrJoeTron> P4 oh it can?
11:54 <P4> yes, screenshots is available there
11:54 <DrJoeTron> well i can get that
11:55 <DrJoeTron> can i get them without just mashing the screenshot button?>
11:55 * wrtlprnft thinks cli is friendly
11:55 <DrJoeTron> mplayer isn't very
11:56 <P4> every saoftware that doesnt need sources modification to work/config is user firendly for me ;}
11:56 <DrJoeTron> yeah I'm gonna pass on mplayer
12:01 <wrtlprnft> also, mplayer -vo aa just rocks
12:02 <DrJoeTron> fffuuck i need to download divx now
12:10 <P4> "There's just one kind of man that you can trust, that’s a dead man, or a gringo like me." lalalallla ;D
12:16 <DrJoeTron> man
12:16 <DrJoeTron> nothing likes my avi's
12:16 <arctanx> eeevening
12:16 <arctanx> vlc is cool
12:17 <arctanx> works a bit more nicely on OS X than mplayer
12:18 <DrJoeTron> not to mention its got one of them fangled gui's
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12:23 <epsy> hi
12:24 <DrJoeTron> i'll ask when I'm not tired
12:24 <DrJoeTron> see ya
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12:28 <armabot> armagetronad: mlbelenus * r7214 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: added OpenBSD 4.1 packages
12:28 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
12:33 <armabot> armagetronad: mlbelenus * r7215 /www/mainsite/downloads.php: updated OpenBSD packages to 4.1
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13:41 <MrBougo> hello
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14:07 <kidanger> CT|P4:
14:08 <kidanger> hi
14:09 <kidanger> CT|P4: hooyoo
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14:10 <kidanger> salut MrBougo
14:10 <CT|P4> hi kidanger :}
14:10 <kidanger> :D
14:10 <kidanger> so
14:10 <CT|P4> #lastseen Xian
14:10 <kidanger> !
14:10 <armabot> CT|P4: jF}Xian has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 minutes ago.
14:10 <kidanger> #lastseen CT|P4
14:10 -!- CT|P4 is now known as P4
14:10 <P4> ;P
14:10 <P4> im stealth :P
14:10 <kidanger> #lastseen P4
14:10 <kidanger> grr
14:10 <kidanger> lol
14:10 <P4> #ping
14:10 <armabot> pong
14:11 <kidanger> #pong
14:11 <kidanger> bah
14:11 <armabot> kidanger: timed out
14:11 <armabot> kidanger: ~j4f~P4n1c has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 0 days 17 hours 4 minutes ago.
14:11 <kidanger> ...
14:11 <P4> hehehe :}
14:11 <kidanger> so for the server !
14:11 <P4> yes, what's wrong there?
14:12 <kidanger> why it go down ?
14:12 <P4> look at the logfile
14:12 <kidanger> where are they ?
14:12 <kidanger> in konsole ?
14:12 <P4> yes
14:13 <kidanger> [1] T4: hehe
14:13 <kidanger> [0] Deleting objects...
14:13 <kidanger> Erreur de segmentation
14:13 <P4> #t de en Erreur de segmentation
14:13 <armabot> P4: Erreur de segmentation
14:13 <kidanger> #t fr en Erreur de segmentation
14:13 <armabot> kidanger: Error of segmentation
14:13 <P4> #t en fr segmentation fault
14:13 <kidanger> french not de
14:13 <armabot> P4: défaut de segmentation
14:14 <kidanger> ^^
14:14 <P4> how did you get this binary?
14:14 <kidanger> binary ?
14:14 <P4> did you make it yourself or from some online sources?
14:14 <P4> how did you get arma server
14:14 <kidanger> on the web
14:14 <kidanger> wit
14:14 <kidanger> wait
14:15 <kidanger> but not with sources
14:15 <kidanger> http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.2.1%252Farmagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.1p2.openbsd40.i386.tgz
14:15 <kidanger> i think
14:16 <P4> then you just make server and run?
14:16 <kidanger> but before some days, it run without problem
14:16 <kidanger> it's strange
14:17 <P4> i don't know what's wrong, maybe ask developers on forum giving many data related to this problem
14:17 <kidanger> I have created autoexec.cfg in /usr/local/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated
14:18 <kidanger> I have change the version of armadedi
14:18 <kidanger> but
14:18 <kidanger> bah
14:18 <kidanger> always problem
14:18 <kidanger> but in english, I am bad
14:18 <kidanger> cause i am french
14:18 <P4> use #t en fr text
14:19 <P4> or some other babel.altavista.com
14:19 <kidanger> #t fr en mais ça traduis mal
14:19 <armabot> kidanger: but ça translate badly
14:19 <kidanger> you see !
14:19 <kidanger> bah
14:20 <P4> #t en fr do you understand it? :}
14:20 <armabot> P4: le comprenez-vous ? :}
14:20 <kidanger> ;(
14:20 <kidanger> yes
14:20 <P4> #t
14:20 <armabot> P4: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
14:20 <P4> #t en cz but there's no polish
14:20 <armabot> P4: Error: "'cz'" is not a valid language. Valid languages include Chinese_simple, Chinese_traditional, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish
14:20 <P4> #t en rus but there's no polish
14:20 <armabot> P4: '\x00\x00 \x00\x00 \x00\x00\x00\x00\x00 \x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00'
14:20 <arctanx> #t en fr The manner in which the translation occurs is such that there might be inconsistencies or idioms of which the meaning is not conveyed correctly in the target language.
14:21 <P4> ...
14:21 <armabot> arctanx: La façon dont la traduction se produit est telle qu'il pourrait y avoir des contradictions ou des idiomes dont la signification n'est pas donnée correctement dans la langue cible.
14:21 <arctanx> P4: it's okay, we have you for en/pl :P
14:21 <P4> ;P
14:21 <P4> i'm not the best in eng ;P
14:22 <kidanger> #t fr en j'ai un problème avec mon serveur, avant tout marcher bien, mais depuis quelque jours il bug
14:22 <armabot> kidanger: I have had a problème with my waiter, above all to walk well, but for some days it bug
14:22 <P4> #t en fr lol
14:22 <armabot> P4: lol
14:23 <kidanger> waw
14:23 <kidanger> lol is universail
14:23 <P4> kidanger: can you help me :D
14:23 <P4> with french..
14:23 <kidanger> #t fr en lol est universel
14:23 <armabot> kidanger: lol is universal
14:24 <kidanger> ^^
14:24 <P4> kidanger: http://forums.crazy-tronners.com/viewtopic.php?t=1261
14:24 <kidanger> P4: what is your pb ?
14:24 <kidanger> :D
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14:27 <kidanger> bah
14:27 <kidanger> "fais pété
14:27 <kidanger> merde
14:27 <kidanger> fais pété
14:27 <kidanger> "
14:28 <P4> #t fr en fais pété
14:28 <armabot> P4: make pété
14:28 <P4> can you reply to that topic with as much data as you can :}
14:28 <kidanger> "il y a erreur"
14:29 <kidanger> do you like this song ?
14:29 <P4> well...
14:29 <P4> actually i preffer songs like on my website (http://p4.doesntexist.org/) but this it OKm why? :]
14:29 <P4> speedfreak is much better than radium :}
14:29 <kidanger> cause I hate it
14:29 <P4> hehe
14:29 <P4> :}
14:30 <P4> sorry
14:30 <kidanger> ^^
14:30 <kidanger> np
14:30 <P4> and that? http://boomp3.com/m/8e3e04ab61cb :}
14:30 <P4> but listen it all :P
14:30 <kidanger> "fais pété quoi"
14:30 <P4> before posting comment here :)
14:31 <P4> what oes it mean ?
14:31 <kidanger> bah
14:31 <P4> or a gringo likeme :}
14:31 <kidanger> quoi = what
14:31 <kidanger> sry
14:31 <P4> and fais pete?
14:31 <kidanger> i must go
14:31 <P4> ok :}
14:31 <P4> later ;}
14:31 <kidanger> ;)
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14:47 <Bougo> can i help you P4?
14:48 <Bougo> aw
14:48 <Bougo> fais péter
14:48 <Bougo> it means
14:48 <Bougo> err
14:48 <Bougo> it has many meanings
14:48 <Bougo> it's slang
14:48 <Bougo> it might mean "give it, and hurry up"
14:49 <Bougo> "erreur... il y a... erreur... il y a..."
14:49 <arctanx> heh like "and step on it"
14:49 <arctanx> kapisch
14:49 <Bougo> then fais péter, allez fais peter
14:49 <Bougo> allez, translate it to c'mon
14:50 <arctanx> capiche*
14:50 <Bougo> "oh vas-y fais pèter", again "c'mon, give it/show it and hurry up"
14:50 <arctanx> #tr it en capiche
14:50 <Bougo> oh avsy-y putain fais péter merde
14:50 <Bougo> well
14:50 <Bougo> vas-y*
14:50 <P4> oh
14:50 <arctanx> #t it en capiche
14:50 <armabot> arctanx: capiche
14:50 <arctanx> #t it en capisce
14:51 <armabot> arctanx: it understands
14:51 <Bougo> we say putain as you say fuck
14:51 <P4> thank you Mr.Bougo
14:51 <arctanx> yay
14:51 <Bougo> and merde = shit
14:51 <Bougo> but man it sounds terrible
14:51 <P4> allez is c'mon? i thought alles is all ;P
14:51 <Bougo> nah
14:52 <arctanx> if I had to guess what "merde" means I'd have voted for "green"
14:52 <arctanx> or maybe "wednesday"
14:52 <P4> lol
14:52 <Bougo> wtf!
14:52 <Bougo> mardi is tuesday
14:52 <P4> merde in italian is also shit
14:52 <P4> merde or mierde
14:52 <P4> or merda :P cant remember
14:53 <P4> and droga is drugs, when in polish droga is path ;)
14:53 <P4> or better 'way'
14:53 <arctanx> and in australia people think you're an italian drug dealer "where are the drug-a?"
14:54 <P4> hehe
14:54 <P4> :D
14:54 <P4> 1500 here :}
14:54 <arctanx> 2300
14:54 <arctanx> I should sleep, 9am lecture
14:54 <P4> oh
14:55 <P4> you sleep with ducks :}
14:55 <P4> i mean with chicens :p
14:55 <arctanx> is "duck" polish for "beautiful woman"?
14:55 <P4> looOl
14:55 <Bougo> oh ok it's military time
14:55 <Bougo> 1500 here
14:55 <Bougo> i was like "wtf 1500 what?"
14:55 <arctanx> the closest I can guess is przyjacio'lka or something
14:55 <P4> yes
14:56 <P4> beatuful woman is 'piekna kobieta'
14:56 <P4> but chick is laska :}
14:56 <arctanx> as in the bird, or the affectionate term for a woman?
14:56 <P4> nebeska laska in czech means bed's love and inpolish it's blue stick ;}
14:56 <Bougo> there was stuff about vista, that meant something in some language
14:57 <arctanx> haha
14:57 <P4> vistula is the biggest (longest) polish river
14:57 <Bougo> let's try random stuff
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14:57 <Bougo> ploasda?
14:57 <Bougo> what does it mean?
14:57 <Bougo> lemme guess
14:57 <P4> nothing :P
14:57 <Bougo> nothing
14:57 <P4> ;P
14:57 <Bougo> or yellow tree
14:57 <Bougo> ok, nothing
14:57 <P4> ¿ó³te drzewo :p
14:57 <Bougo> me either
14:58 <Bougo> your encoding is crappy P4
14:58 <arctanx> mm won't work for me
14:58 <P4> yes i know... it's mirc bug :|
14:58 <Bougo> aw
14:58 <arctanx> I know it's z(circle)o(dash)l(slash)te though :P
14:58 <Bougo> use xchat
14:58 <P4> yes it is :}
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14:58 <MrBougo> :p
14:59 <MrBougo> i see
14:59 <P4> i dont like xchat, i have to look for some nice geek irc client
14:59 <MrBougo> reversed "?" ó then ³
14:59 <MrBougo> why dont you lilke it
14:59 <MrBougo> it's sweet
14:59 <P4> 3 is l with dash i think
14:59 * arctanx switches to xchat
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15:00 <arctanx> far out, been using irssi for a while, this is different
15:00 <P4> what can you see when i wrote ó (o) and ³ (l) and ¹œæ¿Ÿêœ (asczxes)? :}
15:00 <P4> can you post an image? :}
15:00 <arctanx> różowy
15:00 <P4> yea :D
15:00 <arctanx> seems to work now
15:01 <P4> ró¿owy :P
15:01 <P4> g¿eg¿ó³ka :P
15:01 <arctanx> yeah some of yours are munted P4 :P
15:01 <arctanx> the ó works but the others don't
15:01 <P4> munted?
15:01 <P4> oh
15:01 <arctanx> sorry, australian term
15:01 <arctanx> broken
15:01 <P4> hehe :}
15:02 <P4> but can you see only squares or do you see some strange chars instead of proper ¹œ....
15:02 <arctanx> strange chars
15:02 <P4> can you show me them :D
15:02 <arctanx> [23:06:23] <P4> ró¿owy :P
15:02 <arctanx> [23:06:32] <P4> g¿eg¿ó³ka :P
15:02 <P4> oh
15:02 <P4> thanks :}
15:03 <P4> #stone arctanx
15:03 <armabot> 2 fat hash joints for MaZuffeR and P4, here you are guys, enjoy morocco stuff.
15:03 <P4> ah :P
15:03 <arctanx> whaat
15:03 <arctanx> you're a bad influence on me, p4
15:03 <P4> bad? why bad?
15:04 <arctanx> trying to get me onto hash
15:04 <P4> it's not more bad than smoking cigarrets or drinking etanol :}
15:04 <P4> it's not worse i mean :P
15:04 <arctanx> I know, but I don't do those things either >.>
15:04 <P4> alright :}
15:05 <P4> may i ask have you ever tried?
15:05 <arctanx> nope
15:05 <MrBougo> screenshot incoming p4
15:06 <MrBougo> http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5373/screentv6.png
15:06 <MrBougo> sorry arctanx
15:06 <P4> if you dont have to work much and if you have much free time then smoking weed is really slacjy :}
15:06 <P4> hehe
15:06 <P4> ty MrBougo
15:07 <MrBougo> you're welcome xD
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15:07 <MrBougo> >:3
15:07 <arctanx> what the heck?
15:07 <MrBougo> xD
15:07 <MrBougo> i went crazy
15:07 <P4> #ctwf
15:08 <armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (12/14): $_TrEnT_$ Smoke, beebo, ct~sol, Hyperbyte, Player 1, Schotti, ShaftX, \Delete(d)/, |FA| ale-ak-47, ~*SP*~freek, ~/EF\~L.Sunrise, ~|DS|~ Plage
15:08 <P4> #sty
15:08 <armabot> P4: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (1/8): ~{GP}~Spot
15:08 <MrBougo> i'm out
15:08 <P4> ^^
15:08 <MrBougo> bye
15:08 <P4> weed and sty
15:08 <arctanx> right bye
15:08 <P4> cya
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15:08 <MrBougo> bye
15:08 <arctanx> yes well I have not much free time
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15:08 <arctanx> and quite a lot of work
15:08 <arctanx> so I'd better sleep
15:08 <arctanx> night
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15:11 <ackrite> hi
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15:50 <ackrite> hi
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16:31 <MrBougo> hello
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16:34 <MrBougo> hello d
16:34 <MrBougo> digitx
16:34 <MrBougo> stupid name completion
16:35 <digitx> hi m
16:35 <digitx> MrBougo
16:35 <digitx> stupid name completion
16:36 <digitx> na brb
16:37 <MrBougo> :(
16:37 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, about the opensource games
16:37 <MrBougo> you said you havent played closed source games since 200
16:37 <MrBougo> 2001*
16:38 <MrBougo> what about flash games?
16:38 <MrBougo> none?
16:38 <MrBougo> linerider and stuff
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16:41 <P4> #lastseen orly
16:41 <armabot> P4: CT|orly? has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 1 minutes ago.
16:58 <ackrite> hiii bouu
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17:15 <MrBougo> hi ack
17:15 <MrBougo> ack, rite?
17:16 <digitx> hi all
17:16 <digitx> re
17:16 <digitx> D:
17:24 <MrBougo> bye
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19:29 <MrBougo> elo
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19:54 <MrBougo> aww this track is amazingly beautiful
19:54 <MrBougo> Headstrong ft. Tiff Lacey - The Truth
20:02 <MrBougo> zomg, some more amazing stuff
20:02 <MrBougo> Delerium ft. Isabel Bayrakdarian - Angelicus (Andy Moor Remix)
20:02 * MrBougo just had an eargasm
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20:11 <MrBougo> bue
20:11 <MrBougo> bye*
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22:27 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:27 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 73.6°F (3:30 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling).
22:28 <GodTodd> wow...iowa is melting...
22:30 <ghableska> yeah :/
22:31 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
22:31 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 80.1°F (3:36 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
22:31 <GodTodd> kinda chilly :/
22:32 <ghableska> ...
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23:12 <ghableska> ""A student at the Houston-area Clements High School was arrested, sent to an "Alternative Education Center" and banned from graduation after school officials found he created a video game map of his school. School district police arrested the teen and searched his home where they confiscated a hammer as a 'potential weapon'."
23:12 <ghableska> hammer? o_O
23:15 <ghableska> crazy texans
23:15 <GodTodd> of course, i'm sure they ignored the gun cache ;)
23:17 <deja_vu> :/
23:17 * deja_vu is happy noone found out that he had some teacher's names in UT when he was at school ^^'
23:18 <ghableska> seriously though, a hammer?
23:18 * ghableska thinks most families have at least one hammer sitting around somewhere
23:19 <GodTodd> well, yeah...how else do you get the kids to do their homework?
23:19 <ghableska> haha
23:22 <ghableska> "Dude, you are way underestimating the seriousness of this issue. They found a hammer in this kid's house...a fucking HAMMER. He could easily have knocked one, maybe even two people unconscious with that thing before anyone could do anything about it.
23:22 <ghableska> What does anyone need with a hammer in their house anyway? Forget about banning him from graduation, this little mini-Osama should get sent straight to Gitmo. There is absolutely no reason to have a hammer in your home unless you intend to commit a terrorist act.
23:22 <ghableska> Plus, if all that weren't bad enough, this kid is ASIAN. Christ man, do you have any idea how crazy those Asians are? One of them killed a bunch of people at Virginia Tech just a short time ago. This categorically PROVES that all Asians are sociopaths just itching to shoot up a school. You can't argue with this logic, it is completely impervious.
23:22 <ghableska> You have no idea what we're up against here, man. This shit is SERIOUS. Don't come crying to me when your kid comes home with a big nasty bump on his head because one of these little Asian al Qaeda wannabes smacked him over the head with a mallet. You were warned."
23:22 <ghableska> heh, sometimes the comments are better than the articles themselves
23:23 <GodTodd> well...i agree with the fact that a hammer can be a weapon tho...deadly too
23:23 <GodTodd> is it a police overreaction? no doubt
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23:38 <ghableska> #tea
23:38 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): Æ¡E of $PÆDE$, conan, Dez, G5, Ossi, Thokul, UnKnown, ~ X ~, ~*SP*~Sasha, ~cOw~, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦×¥ FoFo
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23:47 <GodTodd> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/04/ubuntu-vs-vista.html
23:47 <GodTodd> haha
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00:08 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Levi/fortress/rabbit-1.0.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Levi
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00:18 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, ping
00:18 <DrJoeTron> pork
00:18 <ghableska> I'm thinking of getting Defcon
00:18 <ghableska> ..worth it?
00:19 <|Sticky|> played the demo?
00:19 <DrJoeTron> well
00:19 <DrJoeTron> right now it doesnt work for me
00:19 <DrJoeTron> so I'm going to say no
00:19 <ghableska> why not?
00:19 <DrJoeTron> no fucking clue man
00:19 <DrJoeTron> i tried starting it and it doesnt even load
00:19 <ghableska> |Sticky|, i've played the demo
00:19 <ghableska> weird
00:19 <DrJoeTron> it just gives me a black screen
00:19 <ghableska> did it work before?
00:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah, before they patched it
00:20 <|Sticky|> can you beat the ai yet...i cant
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i was going to say its THE VIDEO DRIVERS OMG
00:20 <DrJoeTron> but usually i get sound when thats the problem
00:20 <DrJoeTron> but now i get neither
00:20 <ghableska> lol, try aiming for Tehran, there aren't any defenses there
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i tried uninstalling and reinstalling
00:20 <ghableska> well
00:20 <ghableska> DrJoeTron,
00:20 <DrJoeTron> i bought it for 10 bucks
00:20 <ghableska> have you tried the demo again?
00:21 <|Sticky|> $10 is a bargin
00:21 <DrJoeTron> and it works like a 10 dollar game :V
00:21 <ghableska> :P
00:21 <z-man> Or the 1.42 beta?
00:21 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
00:21 <DrJoeTron> i preordered it off of steam
00:21 <ghableska> ah
00:21 <ghableska> it
00:21 <ghableska> *it's 15 now
00:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to wait till the next patch to take action
00:21 <z-man> You still can run the regular version by copying the key from the steam version over.
00:21 <DrJoeTron> I'm not really missing it right now tbqh
00:22 <DrJoeTron> i don't think its steam thats causing guff though
00:22 <|Sticky|> can you get it online without steam, I dont like the forced upgrade crap that it does
00:22 <z-man> You can, it's legal, just a tiny bit tricky.
00:22 <ghableska> I know you can get a boxed version, but I'm not sure if that requires you to use steam
00:23 <ghableska> z-man, would you recommend getting Defcon? ;)
00:23 <|Sticky|> steam realy does suck
00:23 <z-man> Dunno. Play the demo a bit
00:23 <ghableska> I have
00:23 <z-man> Try it some more :)
00:23 <ghableska> and got bored of beating the AI senseless :p
00:23 <|Sticky|> how?
00:23 <z-man> then try it against some live opponent :)
00:24 <ghableska> heh
00:24 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| which forced upgrade
00:24 <ghableska> |Sticky|, luck?
00:24 <DrJoeTron> i love the auto patching
00:24 <|Sticky|> steam will refuse to let you play your games unless you upgrade them
00:24 <z-man> which is fine, usually
00:24 <DrJoeTron> I'm fine
00:24 <DrJoeTron> with that
00:24 <DrJoeTron> actually
00:25 <DrJoeTron> because i welcome updates
00:25 <ghableska> yeah
00:25 <DrJoeTron> and if they fuck up,
00:25 <DrJoeTron> they send a new one out the next day
00:25 <ghableska> the steam server browser/favorites list only works half the time :/
00:25 <|Sticky|> im not...i have limited bandwidth from 4-11 and i dont like being told i cant play my game till after that time
00:25 <DrJoeTron> thats ALWAYS workd half the time
00:25 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| play in offline mode :d
00:26 <|Sticky|> i want to play multiplayer
00:26 <DrJoeTron> and thats where it gets funny
00:26 <DrJoeTron> because you'd be alone
00:26 <DrJoeTron> because everyone is updated
00:27 <ghableska> office mode sounds fun :D
00:27 <DrJoeTron> you should be studying anyways!
00:27 <DrJoeTron> DAMN IT!
00:27 <DrJoeTron> DAMN IT!
00:27 <|Sticky|> well people played old versions of CS for years...indeed source is still not the competition version of CS. However you cant chose to play an old version if you like it
00:28 <DrJoeTron> oh trust me
00:28 <DrJoeTron> we all miss the riot shields :(
00:28 <ghableska> they had shields?!
00:28 <DrJoeTron> YES
00:28 <DrJoeTron> CT had riot shields
00:28 <ghableska> did they work?
00:28 <DrJoeTron> hahaha oooooh yeah'
00:28 <DrJoeTron> they were fucking awesome
00:28 <DrJoeTron> especially Shield Rushing
00:28 <ghableska> :o
00:29 <DrJoeTron> :D
00:29 <ghableska> DrJoeTron, I found an artillery mod for CS:S
00:29 <DrJoeTron> meh
00:29 <DrJoeTron> i have BF2 for artillery shit
00:29 <ghableska> not that kind of artillery :p
00:30 <DrJoeTron> i saw that defcon is for OS X now
00:30 <z-man> yep, and almost for Linux
00:30 <|Sticky|> do they have TFV for HL2 yet?
00:30 <|Sticky|> TFC even?
00:31 <z-man> Isn't there supposed to be an all new and improved TF coming with HL2 Episode 2?
00:31 <ghableska> Team Fortress 2, yeah
00:32 <|Sticky|> TFC ROCKED
00:32 <|Sticky|> best game ever
00:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC ROCKED?
00:32 <DrJoeTron> MORE LIKE
00:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC ROCKS
00:32 <DrJoeTron> i still play it from time to tive :)
00:32 <|Sticky|> i did see a vid for the new TFC looked good
00:32 <|Sticky|> heh dont have HL1 installed anymore
00:32 <DrJoeTron> don't need it to be :)
00:33 <|Sticky|> how can you play without HL1
00:33 <DrJoeTron> ask steam about that
00:34 <DrJoeTron> i think it loads the SDK Base for it
00:34 <DrJoeTron> however
00:34 <DrJoeTron> games like Sven Co op, and Natural Selection need it installed
00:35 <DrJoeTron> I used to be REALLY excited about TF2
00:35 <DrJoeTron> but after like oh...7 years?
00:35 <DrJoeTron> you tend to not get your hopes up
00:37 <|Sticky|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Q5gzcvXp4 does look cool
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00:40 <DrJoeTron> OH YEAH!
00:40 <DrJoeTron> i forgot about FF
00:43 <|Sticky|> I love the way they have made TF2 realy cartoon like tho, its a realy good look
00:46 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 71.4°F (5:50 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling).
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00:50 <madmax|pt> hi
00:50 <madmax|pt> does the game use lex?
01:01 <DrJoeTron> |Sticky| i agree
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01:03 <DrJoeTron> WHERE THE FUCK did my D DRIVE GO
01:04 <GodTodd> look in the couch cushions...everything ends up there
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01:05 <DrJoeTron> i hope i didnt delete something i wasnt supposed to :/
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01:09 <|Sticky|> d as in cd drvive or 2nd hd?
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01:56 <DrJoeTron> man
01:57 <DrJoeTron> i REALLY don't want to reformat right now
02:05 <Your_mom_arma> why would you have to?
02:07 <DrJoeTron> lost my D Drive
02:07 <DrJoeTron> might not be recoverable
02:11 <Your_mom_arma> that sucks
02:12 <DrJoeTron> sure isnt great
02:13 <DrJoeTron> if reinstalling the driver that isnt even on the manufacturers website works
02:13 <DrJoeTron> i'll be cool
02:13 <DrJoeTron> if not
02:13 <DrJoeTron> FUCK
02:19 <DrJoeTron> welp
02:19 <DrJoeTron> THAT didnt work
02:24 <ghableska> :/
02:25 <DrJoeTron> brb
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02:41 <DrJoeTron> :(
02:44 <DrJoeTron> god
02:44 <DrJoeTron> the fucking weird part is
02:45 <DrJoeTron> theres no actual driver for this damn dvd drive
02:45 <DrJoeTron> it didn't come with one
02:48 <|Sticky|> ahh lovely generic components with no drivers or identification
02:51 <DrJoeTron> sweet arent they?\
02:51 <DrJoeTron> i mean
02:51 <DrJoeTron> i can firmware update it
02:51 <DrJoeTron> but....thats it
02:51 <DrJoeTron> and i uninstalled the driver
02:51 <DrJoeTron> soooo
02:51 <DrJoeTron> looks like I'm gonna have to reformat
02:52 <DrJoeTron> i'll do it after the semester
02:52 <DrJoeTron> i;ve got other means of transfering data
02:53 <DrJoeTron> on a positive note
02:53 <DrJoeTron> i got a sweet cup holder now
02:57 <ghableska> haha
03:00 <DrJoeTron> ko
03:00 <DrJoeTron> i fucked with the registry
03:00 <DrJoeTron> lets see what happens!
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03:03 <|Sticky|> let that be a lesson to the rest of you. dont fuck with your registry
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03:05 <DrJoeTron> Awesome
03:06 <DrJoeTron> welcome back d drive
03:07 <DrJoeTron> looks like i wont be reformatiting after all
03:10 <ghableska> yay
03:14 <GodTodd_> reformat anyway
03:15 <GodTodd_> wait...reformatiting....does that involve boobs?
03:15 <GodTodd_> like, breast augmentation or something?
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03:16 <DrJoeTron> well
03:16 <DrJoeTron> it involves removing boobs
03:17 <GodTodd> reform a tit ing?
03:17 <DrJoeTron> the only casualty was itunes in this journey
03:17 <DrJoeTron> because now it can''t record anything from it
03:17 <GodTodd> bah...it was a casualty to begin with ;)
03:17 <DrJoeTron> haha i'll say
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i hate itunes
03:18 <DrJoeTron> but damn
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i don't even know why i use it
03:18 <DrJoeTron> i like its search menu
03:18 <DrJoeTron> and its shuffle is really ood
03:18 <DrJoeTron> good*
03:20 <GodTodd> it's a piece of shit
03:20 <GodTodd> face it
03:20 <GodTodd> admit it
03:20 <GodTodd> ADMIT IT
03:20 <GodTodd> NOW
03:20 <GodTodd> hOW DO i TURN OFF MY CAPS LOCK?
03:21 <GodTodd> cAN ANYONE HLEP EM?
03:21 <GodTodd> hello!!!!?
03:22 <GodTodd> #monologue
03:22 <armabot> GodTodd: Your current monologue is at least 9 lines long.
03:22 <GodTodd> #dialogue
03:26 <|Sticky|> #trialogue
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03:30 <ghableska> #monologue
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
03:30 <ghableska> ...
03:38 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:38 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.7°F (8:40 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 28.99 in 981.6 hPa (Falling).
03:55 <ghableska> http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=185167
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> nice story ghableska
04:03 <ghableska> it's weird
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> whats wierd? that an 11 year old would shoot someone who broke into her home? If it was texas then i would be less suprised then montana
04:07 <ghableska> haha
04:07 <ghableska> somehow, it's hard to picture a kid with a shotgun
04:10 <DrJoeTron> i was a kid with a shotgun
04:10 <DrJoeTron> we were called boyscouts
04:10 <ghableska> freaky
04:11 <DrJoeTron> shit man don't you live in iowa?
04:11 <ghableska> yeah....?
04:11 <DrJoeTron> thats pretty big and flat with nothing to do
04:12 <DrJoeTron> HWY ARENT YOU SHOOTING GUNS
04:12 <ghableska> I am...virtually
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04:21 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:21 <armabot> pong
04:22 <Stempo> ping?
04:24 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:24 <armabot> pong
04:24 <Stempo> pong?
04:24 <Stempo> what is this!??!!?
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04:28 <Your_mom_arm1> #ping
04:28 <armabot> pong
04:31 <Stempo> -.-
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04:31 <Your_mom_arm1> what?
04:33 <DrJoeTron> oH MY GOD
04:34 <DrJoeTron> i just figured out what the arrows on the tab key do
04:34 <DrJoeTron> mind = blown
04:35 <Your_mom_arm1> point left and right? or tab in a text document?
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04:39 <DrJoeTron> point left and right
04:40 <DrJoeTron> if you hold shift and press tab it will tab to the Left
04:40 <DrJoeTron> my god
04:43 <Your_mom_arm1> You've obviously never run out of batteries for a wireless mouse
04:46 <DrJoeTron> i have
04:46 <DrJoeTron> many a time
04:46 <DrJoeTron> i just kept hitting tab untill i got to the spot again
04:46 <DrJoeTron> not anymore though
04:46 <DrJoeTron> I'm on a wired mouse again
04:46 <DrJoeTron> and you know what?
04:46 <DrJoeTron> it feels good :d
04:48 <Your_mom_arm1> :)
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04:55 * GodTodd is on a trackpad
04:55 * GodTodd farts.
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05:01 <Lucifer_arma> #weather Plano
05:01 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Weather Forecasts and Maps at CNN.com is 51.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Wind: NE at 10 mph (16 km/h).
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> that can't be the plano I was after
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: what's the weather like up there?
05:02 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:02 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 66.7°F (10:07 PM CDT on May 02, 2007). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising). Tornado Watch 211 in effect until 10 PM CDT this evening...
05:02 <GodTodd> rainy as hell
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, much better
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> I heard 90mph wind gusts, knocked down my sister-in-law's fence
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> they also lost power, obviously you've got power :)
05:02 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: ping
05:03 <GodTodd> could have been....i almost had my hat blowed off and i got soaked cuz i wasn't about to stay at school :)
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> we've got an awesome light show going on, and occasional nasty rain, but that's it
05:03 <GodTodd> yeah...the school was running on backup power by the time i left
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I carry an umbrella these days
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> been stuck at school in too many storms
05:03 <GodTodd> umbrella wouldn't have helped....swirling rain :/
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> so I just tossed one in my backpack
05:04 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma porng
05:04 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo tub
05:04 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
05:04 <DrJoeTron> SHOW UP
05:04 <DrJoeTron> good
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: pirng
05:04 <GodTodd> besides..i was parked all of 50 yards from the door
05:04 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma porong
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:04 <GodTodd> #serverinfo cage
05:05 <armabot> GodTodd: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> I have to park a good distance when I go to work because I show up right after 5pm, so the parking lot's mostly full
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> at the other campus, where I actually have classes, there aren't any parking spaces close to the buildings :(
05:05 <GodTodd> tho it did take me 30 minutes to do the 10 minute drive
05:05 <GodTodd> and half the signal lights were out
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> nasty weather, man, nasty weather
05:06 <GodTodd> yeah
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> the last, what, 3 storms? to blow through left austin mostly alone :)
05:06 <GodTodd> yep
05:06 <GodTodd> we get hit with just about all of them :P
05:07 * GodTodd is watching a documentary on a 1200+ lb mexican dude
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> our house in particular manages to miss every storm, even when austin gets a direct hit, it always seems to go around our neighborhood
05:07 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=35970
05:07 <GodTodd> fucker is blaming his wait on dallas
05:07 <GodTodd> weight*
05:07 * GodTodd channeled spidey for a sec there
05:07 <GodTodd> heh
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm sorry, but very *very* few people reach 1200 lbs on accident, or as a result of someone else's actions
05:08 <GodTodd> yeah...it's a case of he moved to america and our freedom of choice was too much and he ate crap and didn't exercise
05:08 <GodTodd> totally his fault
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> man, my wife and I noticed 2 things the other day
05:09 <GodTodd> not to mention that he gained 700 of the pounds after going back to mexico ;)
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> 1) the chuy's shirt I wear used to be pretty tight (I'd have to stretch it to wear it) is now hanging loose on me
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> 2) my calves are freaking huge
05:09 <GodTodd> heh
05:09 <GodTodd> time to slaughter them for veal?
05:09 <GodTodd> :P
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> they're almost as big as my thighs, and my thighs aren't touching any more
05:09 <GodTodd> ba dup tsss
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> we need sound icons
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> where a sound is played instead of a cute little graphic being shown
05:10 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma you mandingo
05:10 <DrJoeTron> SPEAKING OF
05:10 <GodTodd> haha that'd rock
05:10 <DrJoeTron> you want ikaruga?
05:10 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: you mangina
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> wtf is ikaruga?
05:11 <DrJoeTron> SHMUPS type game
05:11 <DrJoeTron> for dreamcast
05:11 <GodTodd> opposite of aguraki?
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> IN Aguraki they like bukkakke
05:11 * Lucifer_arma suspects too many k's in there
05:11 <GodTodd> i think it's bukakke
05:11 <GodTodd> or it might be bukkake
05:12 <GodTodd> nah...first one looks better :)
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> if you host it DrJoeTron i'll download it and see if it works
05:12 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma, KO
05:12 <DrJoeTron> one sec
05:12 <GodTodd> man....you know there's something wrong when you can't get out of bed
05:12 <GodTodd> for FIVE YEARS
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> sleepy?
05:13 <GodTodd> fat
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> is it one of those guys where they tear out a wall of the house to get him out?
05:14 <GodTodd> not sure...they haven't taken him out yet
05:14 <GodTodd> heh
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet he'd lose 200lbs/week if he took up fencing
05:14 <GodTodd> haha
05:14 <GodTodd> he'd have a better shot at sumo
05:14 <GodTodd> wrestling....not tron
05:14 <GodTodd> :P
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> can he even walk?
05:15 <GodTodd> nope
05:15 <GodTodd> that's why he's in bed
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
05:15 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> is his name DrJoeTron?
05:15 <GodTodd> now they're debating gastric bypass or the zone diet
05:15 <DrJoeTron> http://76.215.3.34/Ikaruga.rar
05:15 <GodTodd> nah...he's little compared to DrJoeTron
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> you know, in the UK they're talking about making childhood obesity a take-the-kids-away offense
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> considering it negligent abuse
05:16 <GodTodd> well...depending on the situation...that might be called for
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> they're talking about fifth graders that weigh like 200lbs
05:16 <GodTodd> once you eliminate thyroid problems and such
05:16 <GodTodd> if it's because the parents are pussies then they need classes before being allowed to raise kids
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> my littlest looks like he finally grew. :) He's been packing it in for weeks, had quite a tummy going, now he's 2 inches too tall for all his pants and skinny
05:17 <GodTodd> there's a reason that the first word both my son's knew for sure was "no"
05:17 <GodTodd> ;)
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> they learn no when they're 3 months, and "yes" is a tenth birthday present
05:18 <GodTodd> haha
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> my 3yo would eat all day if I let him
05:19 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma use nero to burn it and it should work with no problem
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> he comes up to me and says "I'm hungry" every 10 minutes
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> I say "it's tuesday, you don't eat until saturday, so shut the fuck up!"
05:20 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you seem to have the same parenting philosophy i have
05:20 <GodTodd> except i feed the kids on sundays
05:20 <GodTodd> saturday is when they work the sweat shop
05:21 <GodTodd> they fuck up there and there goes sunday's food
05:21 <GodTodd> little ingrates
05:21 <GodTodd> ;)
05:29 <GodTodd> man....where the *fuck* is that dude's weiner?
05:30 <GodTodd> wow 363 lbs lost in 5 months
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> hmm...
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> its not burning
05:33 <DrJoeTron> did you unzip it?
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> un rar'd
05:33 <DrJoeTron> ;)
05:34 <DrJoeTron> hmm
05:34 <DrJoeTron> it should still work
05:35 <DrJoeTron> i've sent it to a bunch of people to day and they all workedsl
05:36 <Your_mom_arma> its a 733mb image, and im trying to burn it to a 700mb cd, could that be the problem?
05:37 <DrJoeTron> probably
05:37 <DrJoeTron> i thought they made 800 mb cd's
05:38 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
05:40 <DrJoeTron> it should work :/
05:40 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to burn a copy out of spite
05:41 <DrJoeTron> just click the file and select Burn
05:41 <DrJoeTron> Woah
05:42 <DrJoeTron> dayum
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> "unexpected exception"
05:42 <DrJoeTron> the fuck just happened
05:42 <DrJoeTron> wait a sec...
05:42 <Your_mom_arma> not working for you?
05:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah...
05:42 <DrJoeTron> its not a problem with the disc size
05:42 <DrJoeTron> its still in the dreamcast
05:42 <DrJoeTron> and its 700mb
05:43 <DrJoeTron> i also fucked with my registry
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> nice find luke-jr
05:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah really luke-jr
05:46 <DrJoeTron> do they sell 1000mb cd-rs?
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:46 <DrJoeTron> damn
05:46 <DrJoeTron> a GD would be great
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron you're getting gready now
05:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:47 <DrJoeTron> greedy?
05:47 <Your_mom_arma> just wait till i get a version of gaim(pidgin) with spellcheck
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05:48 <DrJoeTron> haha
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05:49 <Your_mom_arma> well if it doesnt work for you i can only assume it got corupted sometime between the last time you sent it to someone and now
05:49 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
05:50 <DrJoeTron> does it need some special laser?
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> "Most CD-Rs on the market have an 80 minute capacity. There are also 90 minute/790 MiB and 99 minute/870 MiB discs, although they are rare. Some drives use special techniques to write more data onto a given disc, such as Plextor's GigaRec allowing as much as 1.2 GiB onto a 99 minute disc." -- wikipedia
05:55 <DrJoeTron> this is bullshit though
05:56 <DrJoeTron> why would it burn on a 700mb disc
05:56 <DrJoeTron> and now it won't
05:56 <DrJoeTron> it would say it was corrupted
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how much longer it's going to be before wikimedia has a monopoly on wikis
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> I just noticed adobe labs uses mediawiki
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> who else makes wiki software?
06:09 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:09 <DrJoeTron> it looks like it burned
06:09 <DrJoeTron> i dont know how
06:09 <DrJoeTron> lemme check the dreamcast
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> did you do anything differently?
06:10 <DrJoeTron> no idea really
06:13 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:13 <DrJoeTron> this one burned too
06:13 <DrJoeTron> sooo
06:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck wit it
06:13 <DrJoeTron> itl burn
06:14 <DrJoeTron> or do you want me to mail the disc :V
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:15 <DrJoeTron> well
06:15 <DrJoeTron> let me waste another disc
06:15 <DrJoeTron> see what i did
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: there's a bunch of wikis out there
06:15 <DrJoeTron> BUT
06:16 <DrJoeTron> currently trying to burn it
06:16 <DrJoeTron> at 8x
06:26 <DrJoeTron> AH HA
06:26 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
06:27 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma burn the game at 8x
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> still didnt work
06:32 <DrJoeTron> extract it again
06:32 <DrJoeTron> and put the overburn to like 90min
06:35 <DrJoeTron> damn
06:35 <DrJoeTron> they werent lying about the bugginess
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> overburn?
06:35 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma watching the interplay video just made me go back 8 years
06:36 <GodTodd> well...that's handy to know
06:36 <DrJoeTron> under expert features
06:36 <DrJoeTron> in the Configure tab
06:38 <GodTodd> now i can download debs *or* rpms :)
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, dont seem to have that in what ever version this is
06:40 <DrJoeTron> what version are you on
06:40 <DrJoeTron> you only get this menu RIGHT before you burn
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> nero 5; 5.5.6.9
06:42 <DrJoeTron> i'm on
06:42 <DrJoeTron> 6
06:51 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma put it in the dreamcast and see what happens :v
06:52 <Your_mom_arma> it reads as a blank cd
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> i havn't been able to burn anything
06:55 <DrJoeTron> damn
07:01 <Your_mom_arma> well, im gonna give up for now
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> i guess the next thing to try would be download a trial version of the latest release
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07:28 <MrBougo> helo
07:30 <ackrite> hi bougo
07:30 <MrBougo> bye :/
07:30 <MrBougo> school time
07:30 <MrBougo> sorry ackrite :p
07:30 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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07:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, I may be on the market in the near future :/
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07:51 <GodTodd> on the market?
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07:59 <Lucifer_arma> my wife wants to split
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08:05 <GodTodd> shit...how come?
08:12 <arctanx> hmm?
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> psycho? I don't really know, she gave very vague reasons
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> basically, nothing she said sounded like splitting would do anything to solve the problem
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #g 10.75*9*4
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #calc 10.75*9*4
08:13 <GodTodd> hmmm
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
08:13 <GodTodd> :/
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10.75*9*4
08:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 387
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> that's how much money I make a month, apparently
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #calc 9.5-5.5
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 9.5-5.5
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> actually, it's less
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10.75*8*4
08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 344
08:14 <DrJoeTron> doot doot doot
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> can't live on that
08:15 <DrJoeTron> on doot?
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, on $344/month
08:25 <DrJoeTron> sure you can
08:29 <DrJoeTron> Oh man
08:29 <DrJoeTron> custom rank for Aang
08:29 <DrJoeTron> "Won't Go Away"
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14:40 <z-man-work> Lucifer_arma: that sucks. Want my wife to talk to yours? Mine is a bit psycho, too (manically depressed), and rather good at relationship advice (from what I can tell from the phone calls with her friends).
14:41 <z-man-work> She's good at identifying core problems and tell what could help and what not. With others, not with herself.
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> that would be really nice, but this will be like the fifth time she's left me for really vague reasons
14:52 <Lucifer_arma> honestly, I suspect she's hiding something, because she's acting like she's hiding something
14:53 <z-man-work> Hmm. One problem in longer relationships in general is that the inital "in love" feeling wears off.
14:53 <z-man-work> You have to replace it with something else, like a feeling to "just belong together", "be made for one another", that stuff.
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> let me put it another way. When she said "for richer, for poorer", she meant "soon as we drop below a certain income level, I'm outta here!"
14:53 <Lucifer_arma> she's only done this when money's tiht for sustained periods
14:54 <Lucifer_arma> *tight
14:56 <z-man-work> I see. She wants absolute security? Or more than that? I mean, you're not starving right now, right?
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're not starving right now, but we are on food stamps. She was born with a silver spoon up her butt and was thoroughly insulated from the few money problems her family had when she was growing up
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> she also has a preference to run away from situations that cause any sort of anxiety for her
14:58 <z-man-work> Of course, that may be the area where my wife is best in conseling. We don't have much extra money to spend either (things are improving now that she has a job, but we lived off money from the starte for a year or so as well)
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> the only serious argument we've had over the last 5 years was when I said "After I get my degree, I'll take a job with a company that looks like they're going to the moon, regardless of pay"
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think that's all of it. Here's what I think:
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> she's not happy right now. A couple months back I came to the sudden realization that I had basically been emotionally abused for years, first by her, then by an employers,
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> *employer,
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> finally by a guy who said he was my best friend, and that I thought we were now doing it to each other.
14:59 <Lucifer_arma> I was all upset about it, because I finally had a very simple explanation that fit all of the facts and didn't depend on facts that didn't exist
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> so she took it and ran with it, concluding that we're not going to have a good relationship, that we don't hae one now, and that she's not ready for marriage
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> so what I suspect is that she's found someone she's interested in and has either already started fooling around, or wants to start fooling around, because that someone, by contrast,
15:00 <Lucifer_arma> has none of this stuff going on
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> granted, that's a suspicion, but it fits all the facts she's given, which are:
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn'te xpect to need me to pay her child support
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't expect to face the problems a single mother faces
15:02 <z-man-work> Hmm, "she's naive about these problems" would be an equally easy explanation, just for the record.
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> she is naive about these problems, her mom was single from when she was 7, and she was well-insulated from the single-mother aspect
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a spring that on her and see how she reacts. She might just be holding back details because she's already made up her mind and I won't be able to change it anyway
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> from my point of view, I just can't come up with why I should try to save this marriage anyway. I've put everything I had into her (no pun intended!),
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> only to be rewarded with her coming up with some vague reason to leave me every few years
15:05 <z-man-work> The usual answer to that question is "the kids".
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> there's a point where it has to occur to me that I can do better
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's actually what's realy pissing me off about this. She's basically going to ruin 4 people's lives for the next few years, probably much longer, and she doesn't appear to hae thought it through, or even made an attempt to resolve her current difficulties inside the marriage
15:06 <z-man-work> I'm probably spoiled, I have it easy; every time my wife comes with a reason why our relationship is in trouble, "you're being silly" fixes it.
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want my kids to go through this, that is true, but really, she's left me 4 times in 11 years (only counting since we got married)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 11/4
15:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2.75
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> so every 2.75 years, on average. My youngest is 3
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, relationships, in terms of whatever you use to measure how good it is, probably look more like a cos curve
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> so you expect dips, and you roll with it, right? It's the peaks you live for! So long as the average value is above a certian threshold
15:08 <z-man-work> You put something in, you get something out. The former has to be less than the latter for both.
15:10 <z-man-work> Actually, humans have selective memory and give the peaks (good and bad ones) more weight...
15:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, she's also done this near the week of finals every semester since I started school. She started talking about this two nights ago,
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> and the first night, after we talked about it for awhile, she left me the impression she didn't think we needed to split up and that she'd at least wait a couple more months
15:11 <z-man-work> That's specially true when planning, ahead, you know? People overestimate how a lottery win or the death of a close friend will affect them, because they think it will influence everything they do for a year or so, which is not true
15:11 <Lucifer_arma> you know, to let the dust settle
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it's noteably true when a loony shoots up a school....
15:12 <z-man-work> Well, it figures, you're most busy during the semester, so she feels neglegted. I wouldn't think this is intentional in any way.
15:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's been a particularly long semester for us, with a lot of stuff happening, very little of it good, and now we're in the last crunch for finals when stress is at the highest
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so my explanation was that she's just feeling the crunch and she has to get past it before she can think clearly about this stuff
15:13 <Lucifer_arma> give our new jobs a little more time to settle, get our finances stabilized again
15:14 <z-man-work> Right, so that should be the very first step, wait for the stressful outer influences to fade away
15:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, so much for that. That conversation was two nights ago, it was last night when she told me she didn't think she could work anything out without us splitting up
15:15 <z-man-work> without giving concrete things that are wrong?
15:15 <Lucifer_arma> yep. Which doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't have anything concrete, mind you, but it isn't like her to think things through terribly thoroughly
15:16 <Lucifer_arma> she still cited that we weren't treating each other nicely, but in my own observation we've both done very well getting out of the slump we were in a few months ago
15:17 <z-man-work> Can't you try to force her to think? Make a list of things that are good and bad in your marriage?
15:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh. I can try, but I can't promise much.
15:17 <z-man-work> You don't have to promise anything to me here :)
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, last time she left (the time that ended the period of emotional abuse I mentioned), I tried to get her to think of something good about me every time she wanted to say something bad about me
15:18 <Lucifer_arma> and she got so offended she almost through me out of her mom's house
15:18 <z-man-work> Does she know about software engeneering stuff a bit? You could tell her it's for a post-mortem-analysis so you know what to do better in your next marriage.
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> then she won't do it. :) I'll see what I can get from her, I can use the kids to great extent here....
15:19 <Lucifer_arma> "You're giving vague reasons, and you owe it to your kids at least if you can give solid reasons"
15:19 <z-man-work> Or use them as spies.
15:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm..... depending on what you mean by that, that would be considered unethical
15:21 <z-man-work> Well, it's perfectly natural that, when a marriage is not working to well, that a kid comes to the mother and asks here what is wrong, whether she doesn't love daddy as much as she used to.
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking about the possibility of 4 more years of "our marriage sucks and I want out" the week before finals
15:21 <Lucifer_arma> my wife, contrary to what she says, has no qualms about dumbing things down for the kids
15:21 <z-man-work> Darn.
15:22 <Lucifer_arma> the other side is that even if she didn't, my kids would have to reproduce what she said to me, and they're not a reliable medium for sending messages
15:24 <Lucifer_arma> then there's "You need to make sure you know what you're doing, because having already left me 15 million times, if even two weeks from now you realize how silly you're behaving, it'll stillb e too late. I'm *not* doing this again with you, ever."
15:25 <Lucifer_arma> that just sounds like too much of an ultimatum
15:25 <z-man-work> Hmm, that probably won't help.
15:26 <z-man-work> Yeah, it pushes her to the other side, and when she does want to come back, she won't even try.
15:26 <z-man-work> Perhaps a planned split with a timeout? That sometimes helps.
15:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, as soon as I walk out that door, it won't matter if she does want to come back, because even if saying that won't help, that's how it is.
15:27 <z-man-work> You know, "let's try without each other for a month and see if we feel better or worse"?
15:27 <z-man-work> Of course, you both WILL feel worse, that's rather predictable (after the initial freedom rush)
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> I hate to dismiss it out of hand, but I don't think it'll work for 2 reasons. 1) she hasn't even tried to fix anything, and 2) she doesn't believe separations work
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> see, when she has any kind of problem she's having trouble solving, she brings it to me. But when she thinks I'm somehow the problem, she leaves.
15:29 <z-man-work> Well, if you ARE the problem, that's sensible.
15:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm pretty angry right now, maybe I can get a handle on my own feelings and talk to her sensibly tonight
15:30 <Lucifer_arma> while it's a sensible reaction, it's not a sensible way to go about solving the problem :/
15:30 <z-man-work> Good idea, but don't let her possible state of emotional turmoil draw you in and lose your sensibility
15:32 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, someone needs to take this arma stuff off my hands, because if things start moving, they'll move quickly
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> and if her attitude completely goes sour, she'll steal the computer that's runnin the wiki and stuff :/
15:33 <z-man-work> I'll see what I can do tonight. I don't know whether my poor machine will be stong enough for the wiki, but we'll see.
15:33 <Lucifer_arma> (she can have it anyway, no big deal, I just want to make sure the arma stuff is safely off it)
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> if you have a better computer inside your network, you could proxy it from the faster computer :)
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's also the bug tracker and the buildmaster, though
15:34 <z-man-work> None that is on 24/7, and that's the way I want it
15:34 <Lucifer_arma> I can keep running a linux buildslave
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> also, wrtlprnft is the obvious choice for the wiki anyway, if he wants it, because he's already hosting the images used in the default skin :)
15:35 <z-man-work> Can you PM me an account with read access and instructions how to mirror the databases?
15:35 <Lucifer_arma> can't tell you how to mirror, but moving it is pretty straightforward. Just some mysql commands, make your config file and install flyspray
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's not modded in any way, so you only *need* the database
15:36 <z-man-work> good
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> buildmaster information is in svn somewheres (I forget, I think it's /support)
15:36 <z-man-work> by the way, we've got skype, in case the wife to wife talk should happen. Name is sibila.mm
15:36 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to read the code to understand the file formats
15:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'll run the idea by her, or try to anyway.
15:38 <z-man-work> she's not a professional counselor or anything, I just think she's good at listening and relationship advice
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, she doesn't even have to be good at that stuff, if she can just get my wife to think it through thoroughly, that's good enough
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's a smart girl, she's just headstrong and somewhat lazy about thinking things through
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> but if you or anybody else can get her to think it through, she's smart enough to work it out
15:39 <Lucifer_arma> and who knows? maybe she's right?
15:40 <z-man-work> Well, the sooner she finds out, the better.
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose it's possible that this is how she's learned to bring relationsihp problems to me, by deciding to leave, and that she was expecting me to help her work it out on pain of losing my wife
15:41 <Lucifer_arma> dimly possible, but it is essentially how we've approached relationship problems when she's the one raising the flag
15:42 <Lucifer_arma> (I usually work them out as much as I can in advance, then recruit her, and there's never any talk of splitting up because I've usually eliminated the possibility/need before I go to her)
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we'll see. This also makes more problems to solve, such as how do I support myself, finish school, and pay child support, all at once?
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> pick any of those two and I can do it, no problem. But all 3 at once could be a bit hairy.
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> and if I took the kids, there's no question about it, I'd have to drop out of school, probably permanently
15:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to see if I can hit up my sister for a room until I finish school
15:45 <z-man-work> If I lived some thousand kilometers nearer...
15:46 <z-man-work> I think those are problems you should worry about when they turn into actual problems. For example, she said she doesn't expect you to pay child support, so if your one suspicion there is right, you have one thing less to worry about.
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> not true, sorry. If I don't pay child support, there's a gaping hole for her to exploit at any time she feels me to be inconvenient to her
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> and she'll turn on you in a heartbeat, seriously, do something really crazy and mean, then feel bad about it
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as we split, if we split, I won't be ble to trust her any farther than I can throw her
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, none of that matters anyway. Once we go to the state to finalize the divorce, they will award child support to whoever's taking the kids,
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> and all the checks go through the state. She doesn't have to do anything, if I don't send the money to the state, I go to jail whether or not she gets involved (after a long and tedious process which includes garnishing wages)
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> there is the option where she returns the money to me in cash, but that's placing a lot of trust on her, so see my previous comment about trust
16:17 <z-man-work> So lets forget I said that.
16:18 <z-man-work> (Child support apparently works a bit differently here)
16:19 <wrtlprnft> wiki? what? why? huh?
16:21 <z-man-work> Lucifer's looking for a new home for the arma stuf he's hosting (long story) and was thinking you would take the wiki by default.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> i'd take it, sure
16:22 <wrtlprnft> though that would force me to come up with a backup plan, heh
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> :)
16:22 <Lucifer_arma> usb drive! 300GB! backuppc! ;)
16:22 <z-man-work> Oh, good idea.
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> best way to move the wiki is to install mediawiki, but don't run the installer
16:24 <Lucifer_arma> instead, import the database, then run the updater with mediawiki configured to use the imported database
16:24 <wrtlprnft> hmm
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you get mediawiki from subversion, it's very easy to upgrade
16:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah, makes sense
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, she couldn't just wrestle with it some more for 2 weeks and get finals out of the way?
16:29 * Lucifer_arma has the second most important test in his physics class today, isn't prepared, and now can't concentrate on it
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16:30 <z-man-work> What's the topic?
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> torque, rotational energy
16:32 <z-man-work> Do you work with the inertia tensor or just with inertia moment numbers?
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> moment numbers, no tensors
16:32 <z-man-work> (sounds like a small topic for a test to me)
16:33 <z-man-work> And you understand masses, accelerations and forces?
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> angular momentum, conservation of angular momentum, simple harmonic motion, angular velocity and acceleration...
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically everything we've already done, but with rotation added and emphasized
16:34 <z-man-work> It's rather easy actually, if you understand linear motion: you just repoace mass with the interital moment....
16:34 <Lucifer_arma> we've done newton's laws, energy, work-energy, spring forces, and rotational kinematics
16:34 <z-man-work> velocity with angular velocity, acceleration with angular accelration,...
16:35 <z-man-work> forces with torques and all the old formulas still apply.
16:35 <Lucifer_arma> I just sent an email to my physics teacher "Can you give an incomplete if your wife springs a divorce on you the week before finals?"
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll keep trying to study, but I hope he says yes.
16:36 <z-man-work> If he's anything like me, he'll say "tough, but sorry, gotta stick to the rules"
16:37 <z-man-work> what is simple harmonic motion?
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> the rules might allow for something like that, I don't know because they're not exactly available to students to read...
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> springs
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> the formula that says Acos(t + phase shift), with some coefficient of t
16:38 <z-man-work> Ah, that thing. doesn't fit quite with the rest.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> waves are next, and we'll cover waves for the final. Physics II picks up with waves and goes on to introducing quantum mechanics.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> with optics and stuff in between, of course
16:39 <z-man-work> That explains it, you need the harmonic oscillator to understand waves.
16:40 <z-man-work> We're doing a lot with harmonic oscillators, it's one of the few systems where you can actually calculate stuff :/
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> yep. He would have split it into two tests, but we lost a week due to ice storms in January, so he removed a test and combined stuff from the test after this one to here,
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> and from the test after this one to the final
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be another short test, with fairly easy multiple choice questions, and 2-4 in-depth free answer questions
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> and they are in-depth. :/ Each question will touch 3-4 sections from the textbook, so he tests almost a whole chapter with one question thataway
16:43 <z-man-work> Aww, I know those questions. If you don't know one detail, you're stuck in the middle and can't complete them.
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> yep, them's the ones. :)
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> I like his tests, even with the multiple choice. (He teaches like 7 classes each semester, so he uses multiple choice to make test-grading manageable)
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16:44 <Lucifer_arma> they're not so easy that you think you're skating through the class, but not so difficult that you don't think it's possible to do well on them
16:45 <z-man-work> I'm here if you have questions. I had hoped I had some training questions for you to answer in stock, but again, we're doing stuff differently.
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a review here, my problem right now is concentrating :/
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> the questions themselves aren't hard, just require concentration.... ;)
16:46 <z-man-work> My intention with the idle question asking was to get you to think on topic :)
16:46 <Lucifer_arma> :)
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'll play some guitar, maybe that'll clear my head a bit
16:59 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.wrtlprnft.servegame.org/index.php/Main_Page
16:59 <wrtlprnft> at least mediawiki works no problem :)
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17:07 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: sounds like there's a gap where God belongs
17:07 <z-man-work> NOT HELPING
17:08 <z-man-work> That's like saying "So, where is your god now?" when you have a problem.
17:08 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, it's very easy to ignore people here
17:08 <luke-jr_work> depends on if he ignores it or works to fix it
17:08 <luke-jr_work> addressing the symptoms of the problem is just that; unless the problem itself is fixed, it will just come back stronger
17:09 <luke-jr_work> I don't know how we're going to pay rent this month, but I do know it's pointless to worry about it
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17:10 <luke-jr_work> things always will work out as God sees best
17:10 <MrBougo> what rent?
17:10 <luke-jr_work> MrBougo: ...
17:10 <MrBougo> sorry
17:11 <epsy> hi
17:11 <MrBougo> hello
17:11 <luke-jr_work> MrBougo: $600 for a place to live each month
17:11 <MrBougo> aw
17:11 <MrBougo> sorry :(
17:11 <luke-jr_work> probably going up to about $1000 soon
17:12 <luke-jr_work> but in the end, whatever happens is for the best
17:13 <luke-jr_work> worrying about it and distrust in God will only make things much harder
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17:49 <GodTodd> isn't it also a Christian tenet, however, that God only helps those who help themselves?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> actually
17:55 <wrtlprnft> why should i worry about my english test tomorrow?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> god will fix it
17:55 <GodTodd> exactly :)
17:55 <wrtlprnft> i can just stay up till 4AM
17:56 <wrtlprnft> i can't sleep in because God will make the best things happen
17:56 <wrtlprnft> why even go to school?
17:56 <wrtlprnft> why did I just go grocery shopping? If I hadn't intervened with God the stuff might just have flown straight into the fridge
17:57 <wrtlprnft> for free, too
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18:01 <luke-jr_work> GodTodd: so obviously take care of your responsibilities, but don't fret over stuff
18:02 <wrtlprnft> isn't it your responsibility to pay your rent?
18:03 <z-man-work> You're confusing "not caring" with "not worrying".
18:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man-work: thanks, I wasn't sure how to explain that :)
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18:29 <GodTodd> ok...so perhaps worrying about it isn't constructive, except for the fact that it makes it natural to then worry *through* it
18:29 <GodTodd> s/*about*/about
18:30 <GodTodd> and if you don't worry *through* a situation then you're trusting whatever deity or power you follow to do it all for you
18:34 <luke-jr_work> nope
18:34 <luke-jr_work> you just make do with and do what you can without worrying about it all
18:35 <GodTodd> i said *through*
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18:35 <GodTodd> and i suppose that kind of attitude makes sense coming from you, come to think of it
18:36 * GodTodd stops before making a social commentary that won't help anything.
18:36 <luke-jr_work> worrying is useless whether you do something or not
18:37 * GodTodd refuses to repeat himself until/unless luke-jr_work actually reads and/or understands the difference.
18:38 <GodTodd> 10. worry along or through, Informal. to progress or succeed by constant effort, despite difficulty: to worry through an intolerable situation.
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18:40 <duudii> #hello
18:40 <luke-jr_work> so which dictionary totally changes the meaning of "worry" based on the "through" qualifier?
18:40 <armabot> Hello duudii :) Random Fortune: Entropy requires no maintenance. || -- Markoff Chaney
18:40 <GodTodd> it's not changing the meaning....that's like saying that it's not valid to say "worrying the nut off the bolt"
18:41 <GodTodd> that's yet another *correct* use
18:42 <GodTodd> and FYI: Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
19:03 <Lucifer_arma> worry it, baby
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19:27 <MrBougo> hello
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20:11 <MrBougo> http://www.di.fm/blog/read/2007/05/we-will-go-silent-unless-new-royalty.html
20:11 <MrBougo> save the internet radios
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20:33 <epsy> xD
20:33 <epsy> pollspamming :P
20:36 <epsy> eating..brb
20:38 <Vanhayes> #tea
20:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): ender|mbc|, Legion |mbc|, pavelo, Pitbull, tom, Wejp, ~ X ~, ~*SP*~ ØLÊfÀ °¯, ~*SP*~freek, ~|DS|~zion, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦×¥Rico, °¯Hay-Lin, °¯NE®Ï, °°qain
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21:00 <epsy> #tea
21:00 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): <[sute]>, Legion |mbc|, °°oixel
21:01 <epsy> heh
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21:07 <z-man> #m Lucifer_arma My wife would agree.
21:07 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> ty. I'll run it by her and see...
21:12 <luke-jr_work> z-man: agree with what? O.o
21:13 <z-man> luke-jr_work: partner switching, obviously, or why do you think we're so cryptic? :)
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21:13 <[CH]DarkStar> #help lastseen
21:13 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
21:13 <[CH]DarkStar> #lastseen diva
21:14 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: timed out
21:14 <[CH]DarkStar> grml -.-
21:17 <[CH]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: seems like your httpd is dead
21:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man...
21:24 <[CH]DarkStar> hmm i was wrong about the httpd XD
21:26 <wrtlprnft> [CH]DarkStar: if the guy you searched for hasn't been seen in a while the query takes too long
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and armabot gives up
21:27 <[CH]DarkStar> k
21:30 <[CH]DarkStar> #lastseen *BR*Diva!!*
21:30 <[CH]DarkStar> let's see if it works this time
21:31 <armabot> [CH]DarkStar: timed out
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 388*12
21:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4656
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's wrong
21:33 <deja_vu> *yaaaaawn*
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> wow, for 10k/year my child support payment would be $250/month
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10000/12
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 833.333333333
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 10000/250
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 40
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 250/10000 * 100
21:34 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 2.5
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 250/833.33
21:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.300001200005
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> 30 percent for 3 kids
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> I should try to get custody of one of them
21:36 <Lucifer_arma> then she'd have to pay me 20% of her monthly income, and I'd have to pay her 25% of mine
21:38 <luke-jr_work> 15% + 5% per kid?
21:39 <luke-jr_work> so if you had 17 kids, it'd be 100% :o
21:40 <luke-jr_work> or even 5 kids by different women, but that's even more illegitimate
21:40 <xfroggy> O_o
21:41 <xfroggy> someone is getting divorced O_o
21:41 <luke-jr_work> divorce is impossible
21:42 <xfroggy> well at least you know kids are yours Lucifer_arma
21:42 <xfroggy> my buddy is getting divorced in a few months and he isn't sure if the kid is even his :S
21:54 <luke-jr_work> divorce is impossible
21:59 <GodTodd> there's an awful lot of laws pertaining to an impossibility then
22:10 <luke-jr_work> it is a logical contradiction
22:10 <Lucifer_arma> ?
22:10 <luke-jr_work> divorce = "division of a marriage without death", but marriage includes "lifetime commitment"
22:10 <luke-jr_work> if it could be divided, it would not have been a marriage to begin with
22:15 <GodTodd> so, of course, because it involves "lifetime commitment" you should stay married no matter what, right?
22:16 <luke-jr_work> obviously it wouldn't be lifetime otherwise
22:16 <GodTodd> so infidelity, spousal abuse, child abuse...none of that should matter
22:16 <GodTodd> interesting
22:17 <luke-jr_work> can't break a marriage, no
22:17 <GodTodd> sure thing sparky
22:17 <luke-jr_work> those would be grounds for separation tho
22:17 <GodTodd> ah, but divorce is just separation
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, arguing with luke
22:19 <luke-jr_work> no
22:19 <deja_vu> hehe
22:19 <luke-jr_work> divorce is supposed to dissolve the marriage
22:19 <GodTodd> nah...just pointing out how wrong he is when he puts out his opinion as fact :)
22:19 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: look up a word once in a while
22:19 <luke-jr_work> which would imply the parties are free to remarry
22:20 <GodTodd> divorcing yourself from a situation is separating yourself from it
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22:20 <luke-jr_work> 1 : the action or an instance of legally dissolving a marriage
22:20 <GodTodd> divorce == separation
22:20 <GodTodd> there's more sparky :)
22:20 <luke-jr_work> not by common definitions
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I forgot to mention what's obvious by now. My server may disappear at any random point without warning. Should be safe for a few days, though.
22:21 <GodTodd> k
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> not sure what to tell you, I thought everything was fine when you moved your website to it :/
22:21 <GodTodd> hopefully it doesn't come to that
22:21 <GodTodd> trust me...i understand
22:21 <GodTodd> i went through similar a few years ago
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22:24 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: have someone backup stuff from it?
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22:28 <zmanuel> meh, pulled the laptop's plug. Did I miss anything? Anyone struck by lightning for blasphemy?
22:28 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
22:28 <GodTodd> just luke-jr_work :)
22:31 <luke-jr_work> z-man: Luci warning that his server might go down
22:38 <z-man> yeah, he already posted that on the forum
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22:40 <Fattylicious> hello?
22:40 <z-man> yes?
22:40 <madmax|pt> yello
22:40 <Fattylicious> i have a question about the custom connect option
22:40 <Fattylicious> its not working for my friend and i
22:40 <Fattylicious> im just using the in game hosting, not a deadicated server
22:40 <Fattylicious> i give him my ip, he tries to connect, but it doesn't work
22:41 <Fattylicious> hes on a mac, im on a pc, but i don't think that should matter
22:41 <z-man> How are you connected to the internet?
22:41 <Fattylicious> wifi
22:41 <z-man> right, it should not matter
22:41 <z-man> and then? A router box?
22:41 <Fattylicious> yea
22:41 <Fattylicious> wait
22:41 <Fattylicious> no, excuse me
22:41 <Fattylicious> the router is directly connected
22:42 <z-man> How does your wifi get to the router???
22:42 <z-man> (does not really matter, but what matters is whether your data packets all go over that router or not)
22:42 <Fattylicious> yes, all my data packets do
22:42 <Fattylicious> the wireless router is directly connected to the internet
22:43 <z-man> Ok, then you need to set up port forwarding on the router.
22:43 <z-man> go to www.portforward.com
22:44 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
22:44 <z-man> better yet, go to http://www.portforward.com/english/applications/port_forwarding/F-22_Lightning_3/F-22_Lightning_3index.htm
22:45 <z-man> pick your router model and follow the instructions
22:45 <Fattylicious> lol thanks a bunch
22:45 <z-man> (it's for a different game, but the 4534 port that game uses is also used by armagetron, if you know what you're doing, you can leave out all the ports except for 4534)
22:47 <Fattylicious> ok
22:47 <Fattylicious> it says i need to set up a static ip address, but im using comcast and im pretty sure that only works with dynamic ip
22:47 <z-man> The static IP is only for your LAN, your public IP still will be dynamic
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22:48 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
22:48 <z-man> you CAN skip the step and just enter the IP the router assigned to your PC, it usually works OK anyway.
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok, but if my pc's ip is dynamic then it will only work till it changes, right?
22:49 <z-man> right.
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok, well then i guess i'll just set up a static one
22:49 <z-man> but routers usually assign the same IP to each PC every time.
22:49 <Fattylicious> thanks a bunch
22:49 <Fattylicious> ok
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23:02 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 56.7°F (4:05 PM CDT on May 03, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling).
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23:14 <Fattylicious> hi z-man one more question
23:14 <Fattylicious> actually 2 more
23:14 <Fattylicious> what port does armagetron use, and is it a tcp or a udp port?
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23:16 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, <z-man> (it's for a different game, but the 4534 port that game uses is also used by armagetron, if you know what you're doing, you can leave out all the ports except for 4534)
23:16 <Fattylicious> ok
23:16 <Fattylicious> is it a tcp port or a udp port
23:17 <xfroggy> TCP I believe
23:17 <xfroggy> U got an option for both?
23:17 <Fattylicious> yes, will they conflict?
23:17 <xfroggy> no
23:17 <Fattylicious> ok
23:17 <Fattylicious> thanks
23:17 <Fattylicious> well, it just says list the tcp ports and list the udp ports
23:18 <xfroggy> maybe its udp :/
23:18 <Fattylicious> idk if it will work if i list it under both, do you think?
23:18 <xfroggy> lol
23:18 <xfroggy> it shouldn't conflict
23:18 <Fattylicious> ok thanks
23:20 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, it's UDP lol
23:20 <xfroggy> Fattylicious, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Server_Administration_Guide#Port_forwarding
23:21 <luke-jr_work> z-man: are you still planning to implement XMPP?
23:22 <Fattylicious> ok
23:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man: if so, I might note that if it is used to replace the current master server protocol, and also to do initial connection negotiation, it would make firewall bypassing easy
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23:22 <luke-jr_work> z-man: eg, prenegotiate the UDP ports via the XMPP connection
23:22 <z-man> luke-jr_work: I don't really feel competent.
23:23 <z-man> and it won't work with custom connects :)
23:23 <luke-jr_work> aww
23:23 <luke-jr_work> z-man: it can
23:23 <luke-jr_work> for custom connect to a JID :p
23:23 <z-man> not with the custom connect for paranoids who don't want a third party to know about the connection
23:24 <luke-jr_work> that's impossible
23:24 <luke-jr_work> except for LAN perhaps
23:24 <z-man> see? :)
23:24 <luke-jr_work> impossible with or without XMPP :p
23:24 <luke-jr_work> except for LAN, an ISP will always know
23:25 <z-man> Ok, well, nobody except the ISPs and the various relays :)
23:25 <luke-jr_work> and on LAN, you don't need NAT bypass
23:25 <z-man> no SERVER ADMIN.
23:25 <luke-jr_work> server admin always knows cuz that's where they're connecting to
23:25 <luke-jr_work> why should they treat an IP router admin different from a XMPP router admin?
23:26 <luke-jr_work> anyhow, for NAT bypass, a third party must always be involved
23:26 * z-man switches the topic before it gets one of those talks
23:26 <luke-jr_work> so obviously if they're too paranoid for a third party, they can't do NAT bypass
23:26 <z-man> Anyone know a way to record a h323 video converence?
23:26 <luke-jr_work> without manual pot forwarding
23:27 <luke-jr_work> z-man: do you need the ability to play it back? :)
23:27 <z-man> Err, yes :)
23:27 <luke-jr_work> Wireshark could do it if not :p
23:27 <luke-jr_work> someone needs to write a program to reinject Wireshark captures into a tap device
23:27 <z-man> Preferably it should be saved so it can be played back in a regular media player.
23:27 <luke-jr_work> or you could try extracting the video data from it
23:28 <z-man> I don't want to code anything, actually.
23:28 <ghableska> #tea
23:28 <luke-jr_work> you might be able to trick mplayer into saving it
23:28 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Beauty Lies, CTT|safarizone, G5, james bond, Kamakazi, MaZuffeR, PANOLIZATOR, plank, PlayHardGOPro, ShowHealion, Tiger, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~|DS-T|~error, ¦×¥ FoFo, °°Keonidas
23:28 <z-man> does mplayer understand h323?
23:29 <luke-jr_work> not sure
23:31 <z-man> let's see what openh323 can do
23:31 <luke-jr_work> isn't that a mere lib?
23:31 <z-man> It has some command line programs.
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23:42 <GodTodd> anywho...
23:42 * GodTodd farts.
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Log from 2007-05-04:
--- Day changed Fri May 04 2007
00:08 <guru3> anyone any good with ordinary differential equations?
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00:48 <P4> guru3: you mean sth like backward polish notaion?
00:48 <P4> like 123+*3-
00:49 <P4> i mean Reverse Polish Notation
00:50 <P4> 2 7 + 3 / 14 3 - 4 * + 2 / :}
00:50 <P4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Polish_notation :P
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00:51 <DrJoeTron> ahh banned 3 people today
00:51 <DrJoeTron> the fun never ends
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01:58 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 55.9°F (7:00 PM CDT on May 03, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 28.91 in 978.9 hPa (Falling).
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02:08 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=15931 just begs for a reply
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02:27 <DrJoeTron> no it doesnt
02:27 <DrJoeTron> because he's not serious
02:27 <DrJoeTron> its the ones that are serious need replies
02:30 <ghableska> "serious replies?"
02:31 <ghableska> :p
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02:43 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: ping
02:46 <ghableska> #ea
02:46 <ghableska> #tea
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> ghableska: did you see the 19 player game of fort we had there earlier today?
02:48 <ghableska> I don't think so
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03:13 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/P4/test/labirynt-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by P4
03:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/P4/test/labirynt-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by P4
03:28 <P4> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/P4/test/labirynt-0.1.1.aamap.xml <=- where is previoew of my map? :P
03:33 <P4> but map works fine
03:33 <P4> #silesia
03:33 <armabot> P4: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu: No online players.
03:34 <P4> what you mean? :P
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05:20 <DrJoeTron> oh dayum
05:20 <DrJoeTron> #pong
05:20 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma pong
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> hey, i got the disc to burn but it doesnt seem to be working, do i need a boot disk?
05:22 <DrJoeTron> no
05:22 <DrJoeTron> you need a dreamcast thats before 2000
05:22 <DrJoeTron> 2001* i think
05:23 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, can i double check by comparing model # or something?
05:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:23 <Stempo> dreamcast? That's old
05:23 <DrJoeTron> check the back of the dreamcast
05:23 <DrJoeTron> it should say the year
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, says manufactured jan 2000
05:24 <DrJoeTron> mine says MANUFACTURED NOVEMBER 1999
05:24 <DrJoeTron> HMM
05:24 <DrJoeTron> you know what?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> keep trying the disc
05:24 <DrJoeTron> sometimes it just doesnt load it
05:25 <DrJoeTron> and then it just eventually did
05:25 <DrJoeTron> it still has its periods of crapping out
05:26 <Stempo> or maybe... try a boot disk anyways lol
05:26 <DrJoeTron> nah
05:26 <DrJoeTron> cause if the game wont work
05:26 <DrJoeTron> neither will the boot disc
05:26 <DrJoeTron> because it won't accept burnt coppies
05:27 <Stempo> I've got two dreamcasts, they work with burned copies
05:27 <DrJoeTron> do me a favor
05:27 <Stempo> shut up?
05:27 <DrJoeTron> Stempo waht year were they made?
05:30 <DrJoeTron> yeah see
05:30 <DrJoeTron> Stempo's is from 1999
05:31 <Stempo> yep yep
05:33 <Stempo> can't find the other one -.-
05:33 <Stempo> probably in a box somewhere
05:37 <DrJoeTron> welp
05:37 <Your_mom_arma> oh well, worth a shot
05:38 <DrJoeTron> keep cramming it in there!
05:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:49 <DrJoeTron> WHATCHU WANT Stempo
05:49 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma how did you get it to work?
05:49 <DrJoeTron> did it just finally decide to burn?
05:51 <Your_mom_arma> i used a nero 7 demo
05:51 <DrJoeTron> i did the first day you loser
05:51 <DrJoeTron> NOW I WISH YOU DEAD
05:52 <Stempo> :-D
05:52 * Stempo dies
05:52 <DrJoeTron> i did that!
05:52 <Stempo> did what?
05:53 <DrJoeTron> WISH U DEAD
05:54 <Your_mom_arma> do i have stempy on ignore? it seemed like half that convo was a monolouge
05:56 <DrJoeTron> she decided to pm me
05:56 <Stempo> mhmm
05:56 <Stempo> my mom scares me
05:56 <Stempo> but hi there!
05:57 <Stempo> and I'm stempo my bro is stempi
05:57 <Your_mom_arma> hello <shifty eyes>
05:57 <DrJoeTron> sounds like a name i've banned before
05:57 <Stempo> he plays as squirg
05:57 <Stempo> doesn't come to IRC
05:57 <Stempo> your eyes ok mom?
05:58 <DrJoeTron> i don't like him very much i think :/
05:58 <DrJoeTron> or he's not very nice
05:58 <Stempo> my bro?
05:58 <DrJoeTron> ya
05:58 <Stempo> I hate him too, something in common
05:59 <Stempo> oh
05:59 <Stempo> not hate
05:59 <Stempo> dislike very much
05:59 <DrJoeTron> i don't hate him
05:59 <DrJoeTron> everytime i see him he's doing something that isnt nice though
05:59 <Stempo> saying or doing?
05:59 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i remember
05:59 <DrJoeTron> or care
05:59 <Stempo> xD
06:00 <Stempo> *shrugs* whatever he says or does I don't really care either, he has his rep. I've... don't got one
06:00 <Stempo> (horrible grammar)
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06:02 <Stempo> Joe did ya really wish me happy b-day?
06:03 <DrJoeTron> i was like the first
06:04 <Stempo> lies
06:05 <DrJoeTron> :I fuck you, thats what
06:05 <Stempo> :O
06:05 <Stempo> I wouldn't do that
06:05 <DrJoeTron> :I X
06:06 <Stempo> I mean that's just asking for all kindas of trouble
06:06 <Stempo> plus Luci wouldn't approve
06:07 <DrJoeTron> ur gross
06:10 <Stempo> comes with growing up around men
06:11 <Stempo> night all!
06:12 <DrJoeTron> ta
06:12 <Stempo> hope your DC works wonderfully!
06:12 <DrJoeTron> thats an oxymoron if i've ever seen one
06:12 <Stempo> Joe: my apologies if I offened you
06:12 <Stempo> nighty night!
06:12 <DrJoeTron> TA
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06:17 <ackrite> hi
06:26 <DrJoeTron> shit man I'm tired
06:26 <DrJoeTron> see ya
06:26 <DrJoeTron> lemme know how it goes Your_mom_arma
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06:31 <Lucifer_arma> z-man-work: kicking, or sleeping?
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> #m z-man-work so, the upshot is that she's backing down and we're not splitting. I'll tell you the whole story in pm, or you can check your backlog and find this message where I'm probably about to tell GodTodd about it
06:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: kicking?
06:34 <GodTodd> yeah
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> wanna hear the story? :)
06:34 <GodTodd> sure
06:34 <GodTodd> :)
06:35 <GodTodd> you type...i'ma pee real quick
06:35 <GodTodd> heh
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> so, a little more background for the cimax of the story. We'll work out later if it's the emotional climax or technical climax
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> Ok, so remember the little fight we've been having with my daughter's school. My daughter's been peeing herself at school, and it's been happening more and more lately.
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> the nurse calls me and tells me she has a urinary tract infection, and her only reason for thinking that is because she's seen it in other kids who pee themselves at school
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter, meanwhile, has no actual symptoms. (mild fever, pain, discharge, painful discharge, etc)
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06:37 <Lucifer_arma> (it would help the nurse if she knew I've been certified off and on over the years for various first aid procedures)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so put the school drama on the backburner
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> so I went up to my physics test and the teacher hadn't gotten my email, so I pulled him out into the hallway and asked for an incomplete on the grounds that I've been sprung with a divorce
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't grant the incomplete, but offers to have me take the test at work on Monday
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> (recall that he's one of the teachers whose labs I have to work :) )
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> (also, he's the greatest physics teacher in the world)
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I go to my sister's, talk to her, then come home all composed and ready for a good worrying
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> my wife couldn't come up with much of anything, we kept going round and round
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> I made a big deal about showing her how her actions were basically what I'd expect out of a 16yo, not a 26yo
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I gave her a graphical analysis of our relationship, using the "satisfaction with our relationship" metric
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> went through our whole relationship, explaining peaks, referencing what was going on, and so forth
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> big deal about how every semester since I started school, our relationshp seems to collapse the week before finals....
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> so we're having this big conversation, right?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> she asks me "Do you think there's anything to hold us together after the kids move out?"
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> to which I answer "No, I can't see that far into the future, but 2 days ago I was more confident than I've ever been that we'll have a happy marriage till death etc.."
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's the situation, essentially
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> phone rings
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> guess who?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, back up a bit
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> before the phone rings
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> the other point I made was that I felt she was running away, and every problem we talked about was a problem where I could show she should be asking me for help
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> and not shouldering the burden herself, and showing how for similar things with me I've gone to her
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ok, back to the phone ringing
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> now guess who :)
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> (guessing games are fun, everybody join in!)
06:44 <GodTodd> heh
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> The school nurse?
06:44 <GodTodd> ummm
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> not the school nurse, but you're on the right track
06:44 <z-man> the teacher?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> go bigger
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> not the teacher
06:44 <GodTodd> the principal
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> one more guess
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh, bigger even
06:44 <z-man> president bush?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> Child Protective Services
06:44 <GodTodd> ahhh
06:44 <GodTodd> them
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> brutal
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> the school played their card finally and the endgame has begun
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's not every day CPS calls and it's a Good Thing
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> they have two complaints, negligence and medical negligence
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> she handily dismissed negligence talking to us on the phone
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> to do medical negligence, we have to have a doctor give my daughter a checkout
06:45 <GodTodd> so now a checkup?
06:45 <GodTodd> heh
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> checkup, right, that's it :)
06:46 * Lucifer_arma is pretty sleepy
06:46 <GodTodd> i bet
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife and I automatically unite against the common enemy!
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> we traded the phone back and forth based on who knew what about what was hapening, although we've kept pretty much in touch over this
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> so we judo'ed the school and immediately pulled out our notes and outlined where the school has done all this Really Bad Shit, discussed decisions we made, etc.
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think this move will ultimately backfire on the school
06:47 <GodTodd> yep
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> see, the reason they suspect UTI is because they want to prove sexual abuse
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> however, my wife and I are not sexually abusive people
06:48 <GodTodd> a doctor will be able to dismiss that pretty easily
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm going to take my dauhter into the doctor tomorrow, pull her aside and have a little 1 to 1, letting her know that we suspect sexual abuse and we'd like her to interview my daughter and do a regular checkup
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell her about CPS (we've actually been investigated before, and this doctor stood up for us, she's awesome) and the whole 9 yards
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> because, and this is the part that sucks, on further reflection my wife and I suspect there may actually be sexual abuse going on
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> here's the question
06:49 <GodTodd> that's what i was gonna say...
06:49 <GodTodd> it'd be really shitty if there *is* abuse
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> if you were a teacher, and you either knew or were the perpetrator of sexual abuse, what would be the best way to hide it?
06:50 <GodTodd> blame someone else
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> (the answer is hang the long-haired hippy looking daddy)
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> (for reference, the last time was a nutjob doctor who took one look at me and thought I was beating up my family)
06:50 <GodTodd> heh
06:51 <z-man> a true expert
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> so my wife and I spin into action, making notes and planning strategy, analyzing the school's move
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> we figure out that the school has finally played its hand and now it's time to play ours and see who's got the best cards
06:52 <GodTodd> yep...time to go all in
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> this is the game that my sister-in-law told us was going on way back when, if you remember
06:52 <GodTodd> yep
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> yep, it is indeed time to take the point off and start stickin' 'em where it hurts
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> (or alternately, attach a thumbtack to the end of the foil)
06:52 <GodTodd> heh
06:52 <GodTodd> or a bowie knife ;)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> so we finish our strategizing session and my wife comes to the realization that she was, essentially, trying to run away
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> and that we *can* work together on shit, and while she's feeling a little pressure because CPS is involved, after analysis there's no way we can conclude it's a bad thing
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> unless it turns out the school does have a better hand, then we're fucked
06:54 <GodTodd> true...but i doubt they do...
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and she agrees that she needs to be getting help from me when she's having problems she can't resolve, if she's just frustrated or feeling stressed out and doesn't know why or what to do, etc.
06:54 <GodTodd> that's part of marriage
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think they do. I hope my daughter comes up clean and there's no sexual abuse going on. The signs we're seeing could easily be explained by other means,
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and occam's razor can't pick because both solutions are equally simple
06:55 <GodTodd> hell...can't stress cause that stuff?
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it can
06:55 <GodTodd> kids are majorly sensitive to stress
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> in particular, I told the CPS lady that I thought victoria's bed-wetting was linked to being depressed and having a hostile environment at school
06:55 <GodTodd> i know when karen and i are stressed, tommy's behavior gets cataclysmic
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think my daughter's lying a bit about actual circumstances of her peeing herself at school, but I'm now considering a fourth alternative
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> that she's not going to the bathroom because that's an avenue in which she's being exploited, and the teacher either correctly suspects abuse (and is after the wrong suspect), or knows and is covering it up
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to write a book about this, I think
06:57 <GodTodd> heh...i was trying to make it into a story too :P
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's got all the elements that make a really good fucking story
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> and if my wife and I really do have the stronger hand, we'll win the fight and be able to draw confidence from our success that was achieved through team effort, mutual love and respect, and love for our kids and stuff
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> so we should come out stronger than we were
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if we actually win...
06:58 <GodTodd> it's the bad times that strengthen a marriage
06:58 <GodTodd> it becomes soft in good times
07:00 <GodTodd> in the story though...it'd be more dramatic if one of the couple was on their way out the door, bags packed and in hand, when the CPS call comes in
07:01 * GodTodd should spend some time writing after next week. :/
07:05 <xfroggy> when you taking her to the doc?
07:06 <GodTodd> i'd imagine he'll take her asap tomorrow
07:06 <GodTodd> show no fear in the findings
07:07 <GodTodd> a dad who's knudling his daughter would try to hem and haw and delay it
07:07 <xfroggy> one part I'm missing out in how old is the daughter?
07:07 <GodTodd> 7 or 8 i believe
07:07 <xfroggy> omg.
07:07 <GodTodd> one year younger than my son
07:08 <xfroggy> I just hope she just got an infection , and not abused :/
07:09 <GodTodd> yeah...i hope it's just stress or something
07:09 <GodTodd> still not good but a hell of a lot better than sexual abuse
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07:10 <xfroggy> yea ^, at such a young age and getting sexually abuse...
07:10 <Lucifer_arma_> that was a horrible time to drop connection
07:10 <Lucifer_arma_> last I was was this:
07:11 <Lucifer_arma_> [00:08] * GodTodd should spend some time writing after next week. :/
07:11 <Lucifer_arma_> then I said this:
07:11 <Lucifer_arma_> the only reason we weren't at that stage was because my sister couldn't put me up
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07:11 <Lucifer_arma_> also, it would be useful to add in subplots with the two boys
07:11 <GodTodd> yep
07:11 <Lucifer_arma_> the 3yo would probably make for good comedy relief
07:12 <GodTodd> thing is...you need to make sure of your next endgame if there is sexual abuse evidence found by the doctor
07:12 <Lucifer_arma_> so would the 6yo, but there's probably a better subplot to give him that's both funny and appropriate
07:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: previews stopped working again
07:12 <GodTodd> you need to find a way to make sure everything points to school
07:12 <Lucifer_arma_> well, that would mean we need to figure out who's doing it
07:12 <GodTodd> yep
07:12 <Lucifer_arma_> er, not exactly, we need to find out who's doing it, be it at the school or not
07:13 <Lucifer_arma_> thing is, if my daughter talks, she'll tell us
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07:13 <GodTodd> well, yeah...but chances are it'd be at the school...where else does she spend significant time?
07:13 <Lucifer_arma_> then the investigation starts accumulating evidence, the state just takes that
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07:13 <Lucifer_arma> there's only two times when we don't see what's going on with her, and school is not just one of them, but a very large period of time
07:14 <GodTodd> right
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> the other is when she goes off with my wife's step-mother, whose daughter has a history of sexual abuse that we all believe was from her father (not my wife's father, because it's a step-sister)
07:15 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, she in turn abused my wife, but they're the same age, making it very difficult to classify
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> the "she" is the step-sister
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> so there is a possibility the step-mother might have been the perpetrator, but we don't actually have a lot of reason to believe that
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> and the step-sister has tried to make amends and build the bridge and all that stuff, my wife just wasn't interested
07:15 <GodTodd> where is the step-sister?
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> elgin, mostly
07:16 <GodTodd> ok
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> schoolteacher :/
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think she's gotten over it, and won't do it, but I'm not going to rule out the possibility
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but I suspect the teacher, or nothing
07:16 <GodTodd> that's what i would think
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> if not the teacher, then the teacher knows who and is covering it up
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I think the principal and counselor are clean. In fact, if I were to suddenly wind up single, the principal would be a good dating candidate
07:17 <GodTodd> though...anymore schools have been caught (no pun intended) with their pants down on background checks on other employees (janitors and such) and had sexual assaults happen
07:17 <MrBougo> haha, i've read this on the french bash.org
07:17 <MrBougo> with XP, we were on the edge of the abyss
07:17 <MrBougo> and with vista, we did a big step forward
07:18 <MrBougo> i dunno if it sounds funny in english :/
07:18 <MrBougo> (hello)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, the teacher doesn't appear in a google search
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, you wouuldn't happen to know the website where you can look up sex offenders, do you?
07:18 * Lucifer_arma googles it
07:19 <GodTodd> i used to....i have a relative on it
07:19 <GodTodd> :/
07:19 <GodTodd> (not blood related)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> aw man, it's offline for maintenance
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, George W. Bush is the name to google, if you're interested in trying to pit your googling skills against mine
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <MrBougo> im' out
07:21 <MrBougo> bye, googlemasters
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> it is a very difficult name to search, actually, because the governor of Virginia is named Wilder :(
07:21 <GodTodd> thing is...if that's an aka...she'll be harder to find
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07:22 <GodTodd> san marcos is a ways from you, isn't it?
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> prett close, why?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's on the other side of austin, and 20 minutes from there
07:23 <GodTodd> is that where she lives?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think so, should be in the brushy creek area
07:23 <GodTodd> George W. Bush (512) 392-4424 1818 Ranch Road 12, San Marcos, TX 78666
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> what did you find?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> link?
07:23 <GodTodd> that one's jjust a phonebook entry
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> that would give her an hour's commute at least
07:24 <GodTodd> http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=1818+RANCH+ROAD+12,+SAN+MARCOS,+TX+78666
07:24 <GodTodd> that's where it is
07:24 * GodTodd isn't familiar with austin
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=1818+RANCH+ROAD+12,+SAN+MARCOS,+TX+78666&ie=UTF8&ll=30.500751,-97.272949&spn=2.219648,4.482422&z=8&iwloc=addr&om=1
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> you might need to turn off the bubble so you can see where austin is
07:29 <GodTodd> Registered Offender List
07:29 <GodTodd> Search Criteria: Wilder, Virginia, TX
07:29 <GodTodd> No offenders found.
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> san marcos is just shy of the halfway point between austin and san antone, and san antone is an hour's drive
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, maybe someday if you google George W. Bush, you'll find this chat log
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.google.com/search?q=virginia+wilder+Lucifer_arma&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's in there :)
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: would you be willing to run the chatlog through a little sed script to replace that name with something a little more anonymous?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> and tell us what you used so we can refer to her thataway, and if people want the real name I can give it by some other avenue
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> man, she's like a total unperson
07:38 <wrtlprnft> which one?
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> George W. Bush
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08:57 <Loor> So this is IRC...?
08:59 <Loor> A bit quiet though......
08:59 <MrBougo> hehe
08:59 <MrBougo> never tried irc before?
08:59 <MrBougo> it's indeed quiet
08:59 <Loor> No never
08:59 <MrBougo> but sometimes people talk :)
09:00 <MrBougo> #realchatlogs
09:00 <armabot> MrBougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
09:00 <Loor> huh?
09:00 <Loor> #huh
09:00 <MrBougo> check the chat logs, you'll see that the channel is sometimes active
09:00 <Loor> ok
09:00 <MrBougo> commands beginning with a # are bot commands
09:00 <MrBougo> armabot is the bot
09:00 <MrBougo> type #help for more info
09:00 <MrBougo> #help
09:00 <armabot> MrBougo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
09:00 <Loor> oh. so what are some of the commands?
09:01 <MrBougo> and #list
09:01 <MrBougo> #list
09:01 <armabot> MrBougo: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
09:01 <MrBougo> these are the categories of commands
09:01 <MrBougo> #list weather
09:01 <Loor> nice
09:01 <armabot> MrBougo: cnn, ham, weather, wunder, and wunder rss
09:01 <MrBougo> #weather brussels
09:01 <MrBougo> wait a bit...
09:01 <armabot> MrBougo: Temperature: 48°F / 9°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 8:50 AM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:69 ° F. / 21 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 ° F. / 11 ° C.; Rain. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Overcast. Low:53 ° F. / 12 (1 more message)
09:01 <Loor> ooo, how can i find the weather here?
09:01 <MrBougo> #more
09:01 <armabot> MrBougo: ° C.;
09:01 <MrBougo> #help weather
09:01 <MrBougo> :)
09:01 <armabot> MrBougo: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
09:01 <Loor> #weather Brisbane, Australia
09:02 <armabot> Loor: The current temperature in Brisbane, Queensland is 73.4°F (5:00 PM EST on May 06, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:02 <Loor> w00t
09:02 <MrBougo> hehe
09:02 <MrBougo> the alias command list is a bit special
09:02 <MrBougo> #list alias
09:02 <armabot> MrBougo: roulette, add, armabot, armaconfig, babel, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cfg, chatlog, check, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, die, die, digg, digitx, do, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, ghab, go, goodbye, hello, hey, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, joke, killsomeone, laddle10, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, lukejrwork, (2 more messages)
09:02 <Loor> #weather Toronto, Canada
09:02 <MrBougo> it's kind of full
09:02 <armabot> Loor: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 50.0°F (3:00 AM EDT on May 06, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
09:02 <Loor> :P
09:03 <MrBougo> and when you see "(1 more message)", say #more
09:03 <Loor> so whats the difference between list and list alias?
09:03 <Loor> #die
09:03 <Loor> #die help
09:03 <Loor> #help die
09:04 <armabot> Loor: die Makes the callback die. Called when the parent Irc object dies.
09:04 <Loor> oh
09:05 <Loor> #list alias
09:05 <armabot> Loor: roulette, add, armabot, armaconfig, babel, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cfg, chatlog, check, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, die, die, digg, digitx, do, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, ghab, go, goodbye, hello, hey, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, joke, killsomeone, laddle10, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, lukejrwork, m, (2 more messages)
09:05 <Loor> #more
09:05 <armabot> Loor: man, mara, mcalc, mfaq, monologue, morning, nano, night, null, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, pingme, piong, poing, praise, pwn, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, rules, roulette, serverdetails, serverinfo, silesia, slap, speed, stfu, stone, sty, svn, t, tea, team, tst4, tstservers, uname, unlock, ur, w, weather, where, (1 more message)
09:05 <Loor> #more
09:05 <armabot> Loor: where are the noobs ?, whoareyou, wikipedia, wild, wp, ww, ¡¡¡, and
09:05 <Loor> #where are the noobs ?
09:05 <armabot> Loor: the biggest noob, Loor, is right in this channel!
09:05 <Loor> oh.
09:06 <Loor> rofl
09:06 <MrBougo> :p
09:06 <MrBougo> #help where
09:06 <armabot> MrBougo: (where <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $who: the biggest noob, $who, is right in this channel!".
09:06 <MrBougo> #where are the noobs ?
09:06 <Loor> i think i got the hang of it
09:06 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “¬{durka durka land|¬” at the moment, sorry.
09:06 <Loor> eh?
09:06 <MrBougo> oh right, you can get info about the tron servers
09:07 <MrBougo> #serverinfo cafe
09:07 <armabot> MrBougo: Fortress Café: No online players.
09:07 <MrBougo> #lastseen loor
09:07 <Loor> #serverinfo D u r k a
09:07 <armabot> MrBougo: Loor has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 26 minutes ago.
09:07 <armabot> Loor: ¬| D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900: Players (5/16): $_TrEnT_$ Spazy, Goomba, lolpwnt!, Sean, «±º
09:07 <Loor> wow, armabot is handy
09:08 <MrBougo> yup
09:08 <Loor> can you get a list of all servers?
09:08 <Loor> like #serverlist?
09:08 <Loor> #serverlist
09:08 <Loor> :(
09:13 <Loor> wow, just checked the log, it can be active
09:13 <MrBougo> #listservers
09:13 <Loor> ...?
09:13 <MrBougo> mmh
09:14 <Loor> well i gtg to dinner, cya, i hope to get to know everyone
09:14 <MrBougo> #onlineservers
09:14 <armabot> MrBougo: Wild West =Team Sumo= (by Durka) (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (4 players) || SPACEZONE III (4 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (3 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (3 players) || G-Land (A Swamplords server) (2 players) || Norm's Place (2 players) || Unnamed Server (1 players) || Weasel Systems Racing Grid (1 players) (1 more message)
09:14 <MrBougo> bye :)
09:14 <Loor> i wonder...
09:14 <Loor> #bye
09:14 <armabot> Goodbye Loor :(
09:14 <Loor> w00t
09:14 <MrBougo> hehe
09:14 <Loor> ok, cya
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09:30 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
09:30 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 74.8°F (2:36 AM CDT on May 06, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising).
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10:36 <MrBougo> bye
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12:33 * wrtlprnft wonders how he managed to be number 5 on the ctwf ladder
12:38 <arctanx> I keep misreading that as wtf
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12:43 <wrtlprnft> lol
12:46 <MaZuffeR> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21674051-2,00.html o_O
12:54 <xfroggy> wow what a guy lol
12:55 <arctanx> mm read that one yesterday, crazy stuff
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15:32 <P4> hi pavelo :} you are slovak? :D
15:33 <P4> nice to see another slav :}
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15:35 <MrBougo> hello
15:39 <pavelo> P4: yes. how did you guess ? the hostname ?
15:39 <P4> yes .sk :}
15:39 <pavelo> :)
15:39 <P4> hi MrBougo :}
15:39 <pavelo> there is a lot of Polaks (how is that spelled ?) around here from what I can tell
15:40 <P4> in english it's the Pole or simpley Polish :} or in native polish: Polak ;)
15:40 <P4> brb i got to smoke :}
15:41 * MrBougo is now playing: Cosmic Gate - Analog Feel (Livecut Remix)
15:41 <MrBougo> sick..
15:41 <pavelo> so I should have said: " there is a lot of Poles ..." ? :)
15:42 <MrBougo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrp-FT51zPE
15:43 <MrBougo> that move wasnt legal...
15:43 <MrBougo> it wasnt!
15:43 <MrBougo> table tennis players arent suposed to do that
15:49 <P4> wow! nice movie! i just love table tennis :D
15:49 <P4> yes, Poles are the right form :}
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16:18 <MrBougo> i love table tennis too
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16:20 <MrBougo> #ghab
16:20 <armabot> MrBougo: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 60.3°F (9:25 AM CDT on May 06, 2007). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising).
16:21 <ghableska> "light" thunderstorms :/
16:21 <ghableska> #armaservers
16:21 <armabot> ghableska: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (8 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || The Arena (7 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (5 players) || SPACEZONE III (4 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (4 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (4 players) || Bugfarm (1 more message)
16:21 <ghableska> #serverinfo Bugfarm
16:21 <armabot> ghableska: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (4/16): -*$P*-<y<lo, kus, ~|DS|~|error|~, ¦×¥ FoFo
16:32 <MrBougo> save the internet radios
16:32 <MrBougo> savenetradios.net
16:33 <MrBougo> i mean .org
16:33 <MrBougo> www.savenetradios.org
16:33 <MrBougo> if you're in the US, please tell your congressperson
16:35 <MrBougo> #lastseen ghableska
16:35 <armabot> MrBougo: ghableska has last been seen on Fortress Café 2 days 16 hours 42 minutes ago.
16:35 <ghableska> hm
16:36 * ghableska isn't sure who is congressperson is o_O
16:36 <ghableska> *his
16:36 <MrBougo> savenetradio.org
16:36 <MrBougo> http://www3.capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/callalert/index.tt?alertid=9679516&type=TA
16:37 <MrBougo> #help ghab
16:37 <armabot> MrBougo: (ghab <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "weather 50266".
16:38 <MrBougo> if you know your zipcode it's ok :p
16:39 <ghableska> :p
16:58 <MrBougo> bye
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18:21 <duudii> #seen node7
18:21 <armabot> duudii: node7 was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <node7> well anyways, I have to take off... you guys take care
18:32 <oOk3nNy> #weather innsbruck
18:32 <armabot> oOk3nNy: The current temperature in Innsbruck, Austria is 53.6°F (6:20 PM CEST on May 06, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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19:31 <epsy> hi
19:31 <Lackadaisical> hi
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19:54 <epsy> O_o
19:54 <epsy> o_O
19:55 <epsy> 53% for M. Sarkozy
20:00 <MrBougo> yup...
20:00 <MrBougo> France is doomed
20:00 <MrBougo> :(
20:00 <MrBougo> désolé epsy
20:01 <MrBougo> man this mix is sexy
20:01 * MrBougo is now playing: Giorgio Ponticelli presents - Frequencies (6 May 2007) (D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - European Trance, Techno, Hi-NRG... we can't define it!)
20:02 <epsy> mix was sexy...
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20:03 <epsy> =((
20:03 <Durka> #hello
20:03 <MrBougo> i'm talking about musix
20:03 <MrBougo> music*
20:03 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: There is nothing wrong with abstinence, in moderation.
20:03 <MrBougo> durka, do you need someone to say hello?
20:03 <epsy> MrBougo, i was comparing it to france
20:04 <epsy> hay durkie
20:04 <Durka> mkzelda: mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda
20:04 <MrBougo> Hello Durka!!!!! >:DDDDDDDDDDDDD =D =D =D \^o^/ <(o.O<)
20:04 <Durka> hai!
20:04 <MrBougo> xD
20:04 <MrBougo> (=^o^=)
20:04 <MrBougo> man i feel silly
20:07 <epsy> you are
20:08 <MrBougo> thank you :/
20:08 <epsy> lol MrBougo you aren't
20:08 <MrBougo> :D
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20:08 <epsy> you dont live in france at least
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20:08 <MrBougo> gege
20:08 <MrBougo> heje*
20:08 <MrBougo> almost...
20:08 * MrBougo concentrates
20:08 <MrBougo> hehe
20:08 <epsy> Yoi stupide belge!
20:09 <MrBougo> :D
20:09 <epsy> *toi
20:09 <MrBougo> stfu
20:09 <epsy> xD
20:09 <MrBougo> you typoer
20:09 <epsy> MrBougo,
20:09 <epsy> MrBougo,
20:09 <epsy> MrBougo,
20:09 <MrBougo> yup?
20:09 <MrBougo> ypu?
20:09 <MrBougo> yup i mean
20:09 <epsy> MrBougo, DISTRACTION
20:09 <Durka> hai
20:09 <MrBougo> this doesnt work
20:09 <MrBougo> hoi Durka
20:09 * MrBougo chairdances
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20:10 <MrBougo> www.di.fm/mp3/trance.pls if you like good trance music and have winamp/itunes/xmss/any shoutcast-enabled player
20:10 <Durka> hai
20:11 <epsy> MrBougo, *Distraction
20:12 <MrBougo> whatever
20:12 <epsy> you're trying to concentrate xD
20:12 <MrBougo> i WAS
20:12 <MrBougo> <epsy> MrBougo, DISTRACTION
20:12 <MrBougo> and now i'm out
20:12 <epsy> cant read this
20:12 <MrBougo> bye
20:12 <epsy> cu
20:12 <MrBougo> and sorry for sarkozy
20:13 <epsy> " np "
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21:13 <i2020> hi alll
21:14 <pavelo> hi i2020
21:14 <epsy> hay i2020
21:15 <i2020> everyone in positions?
21:16 <i2020> qset to go in 10?
21:18 <Lackadaisical> hi
21:19 <pavelo> hi
21:19 <pavelo> Lackadaisical: you play for psyko's team right ?
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21:20 <madmax|pt> heh, who from Tui stole my TheWho nick :|
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21:21 <Lackadaisical> did you claim every band-name you took that one time?
21:22 <madmax|pt> lol
21:22 <madmax|pt> this case, I bet its on purpose :p
21:23 <i2020> so... anyone want to save the tronic monkeys from embarrassment this evening?
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21:34 <Legit> wrtl??
21:34 <Legit> nvm
21:40 <i2020> yes?
21:40 <i2020> qwe are about to start in cafe
21:51 <xfroggy> #lastseen Durka
21:51 <armabot> xfroggy: Durka boy has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 1 days 0 hours 0 minutes ago.
21:52 <Lucifer_arma> I would save the tronic monkeys from embarrassment if I thought I could do so without further embarrassing them
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen girl
21:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [TM]SpeedGirl seems to be on Fortress Café right now.
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> is that 2020s new nick?
21:53 <i2020> always has been here since 2020 doesn't work alone
21:59 <zman> i2020: would love to help, but administering and playing is a bit too much for me
21:59 <xfroggy> #lastseen Crack
21:59 <armabot> xfroggy: Cracker has last been seen on Wild West =CTF Shooting= 0 days 1 hours 43 minutes ago.
22:02 <i2020> any results in? x beat tm 2-0
22:06 <zman> doops beat sp 2-0, too
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22:15 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm sore all over :(
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> i2020: I was referring to [TM]SpeedGirl as your new nick
22:33 <i2020> mine? i was playing... oh... were you speedy?
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22:51 <zman> x won over doops 2-0
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23:04 <i2020> it would be nice to see the scores of the games...
23:04 <i2020> qis there an instruction?
23:05 <i2020> can i ask armabot something which would print out the scores in a server?
23:13 <madmax|pt> Fogies 2 - 1 Tui
23:13 <madmax|pt> Fogies @ Z-Man's already
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23:15 <Durka> #hello
23:15 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: What is the difference between a duck? || A: One leg is both the same.
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23:15 <i2020> hi... good game?
23:15 <Durka> madmax|pt: who was on your team?
23:16 <Durka> i2020: it was 98 - 84 in the last round of the 2nd match
23:16 <Durka> they were up 2
23:16 <Durka> and we won :O
23:16 <i2020> wow
23:16 <i2020> sorry... who won?
23:18 <i2020> you there wrtl?
23:19 <Durka> they did
23:20 <Durka> i2020: is there a 3rd place match?
23:21 <i2020> not that i know of.... i think oops ds just disbanded
23:22 <Durka> k
23:22 <Durka> im tired :\
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23:27 <rambo> any oine?
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Log from 2007-05-07:
--- Day changed Mon May 07 2007
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00:09 <MaZuffeR> yay, we won!
00:09 <madmax|pt> :(
00:09 <MaZuffeR> ?
00:09 <i2020> you guys fielded a strong team
00:09 <i2020> qgtg bye
00:09 <madmax|pt> kind of boring...
00:09 <MaZuffeR> yep
00:10 <MaZuffeR> and i sucked :S
00:10 <i2020> your fault for creating the team you do...
00:10 <pavelo> I can't believe its over
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00:10 <MaZuffeR> i think i had 9 or 10 kills in total
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00:11 * madmax|pt sucked too
00:11 <pavelo> I think ill pause the next few laddles
00:11 <madmax|pt> and I usually suck even more if the game is not being that exciting
00:12 <Lackadaisical> oh garisimo got shut out
00:12 <Lackadaisical> he msgd me over msn
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00:15 <madmax|pt> and I thought we're going to be only 5 :D
00:15 <Lackadaisical> heh, wouldve been more fun maybe
00:16 <MaZuffeR> we would've been screwed without whatup
00:16 <madmax|pt> I bet so
00:16 <Lackadaisical> some of the best games i had with team ss were the ones we were outnumbered
00:16 <MaZuffeR> though he's annoying
00:16 <madmax|pt> about that, really annoying :/
00:17 <Lackadaisical> did he got tk'd because he doublegrinded that last match?
00:17 <madmax|pt> Lackadaisical: Yes, on that world tron cup when we were 4/5 on 8 there were some great games
00:18 <madmax|pt> yes
00:22 <Lackadaisical> i think tui might be too strong on their side of the challengeboard
00:24 <madmax|pt> btw, you didn't experience that sudden fps drop (on that round only) after those glitches?
00:24 <Lackadaisical> no
00:24 <Lackadaisical> did you guys see that pavelo thing? where he was stuck? that was weird
00:24 <MaZuffeR> very weird
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00:24 <MaZuffeR> hi durka
00:24 <Durka> hi MaZuffeR
00:25 <Durka> who was on your team ;)
00:25 <madmax|pt> after that "gold wall" in the middle of blue zone, and some more glitches like that, I had some big fps drop the following round
00:25 <Durka> lol
00:25 <Durka> madmax, mazuffer, psyko, whatup, lacks, newbie, eggcozy?
00:25 <madmax|pt> and, it wasn't anything on this computer afaik
00:26 <MaZuffeR> and pavelo
00:26 <Durka> ah, so i was rightr
00:26 <Durka> damn, good team
00:26 <Durka> we contended ;)
00:26 <MaZuffeR> we lagged ;)
00:26 <Durka> I lag in every ladle :'(
00:26 <Durka> t'sall good though
00:28 <Lackadaisical> you couldve warned us you wanted to start in the semis durka
00:28 <Lackadaisical> caused alot of irritation
00:29 <Durka> well
00:29 <Durka> we've never done that before
00:29 <Durka> 2020 always says
00:29 <Durka> if there are only 2 teams on one side
00:29 <Durka> both get byes so
00:29 <Durka> the winner team doesnt have to wait 45 minutes between semi's and finals
00:29 <Durka> i told tui we started at 1:15 (my time)
00:31 <Durka> seeing as I didn't know who we were playing
00:31 <Durka> I really had no one to tell...
00:31 <MaZuffeR> ...
00:32 <Durka> well
00:32 <Durka> i mean
00:32 <Durka> i knew psyko maz and max were playing
00:32 <Durka> but for example
00:32 <Durka> whatup said he wasnt playing but he was
00:32 <Durka> same with egg and pav
00:32 <DrJoeTron> man
00:32 <Durka> woman
00:33 <DrJoeTron> that closed beta kart racing game would be so much cooler if it didnt give me 10 fps while playing online
00:33 <DrJoeTron> the lag is terrible
00:33 <DrJoeTron> and that i didnt fuck up my kart name
00:34 <Durka> DrJoeTron: http://durkadurkaland.com/viewtopic.php?t=1232
00:34 <Durka> lol ^^
00:34 <Durka> good news
00:34 <Durka> great*
00:34 <madmax|pt> 356 posts already heh?
00:35 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was him resigning from life
00:35 <DrJoeTron> yeah seriously
00:35 <DrJoeTron> give him a custom rank
00:35 <DrJoeTron> "Won't go away"
00:37 <Lackadaisical> btw, whats the reason for jonathans "brave man" rank
00:39 <Lackadaisical> oh well, gnight
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00:41 <Durka> lol
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00:43 <DrJoeTron> are jonathans avatars pictures he took with a cellphone camera?
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03:27 <DrJoeTron> damn it
03:28 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma
03:28 <DrJoeTron> you up for downloading a game?
04:12 <DrJoeTron> :(
04:14 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma its a kart racing game
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> pong
04:17 <DrJoeTron> yo
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> link, I'll take a glance
04:18 <DrJoeTron> korean mario kart game
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:18 <DrJoeTron> http://kart.nexon.net/nx.asp?url=main/main
04:18 <DrJoeTron> the koreans are going crazy over this game
04:19 <DrJoeTron> its more popular than starcraft now
04:20 <DrJoeTron> it has windowd mode
04:20 <DrJoeTron> :p
04:22 <Your_mom_arma> do I have to create an account
04:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah
04:25 <Your_mom_arma> pass
04:26 <DrJoeTron> :L
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05:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.newciv.org/whole/schoolteacher.txt
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> School is like
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> starting life with a 12-year jail sentence in which bad habits are the
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> only curriculum truly learned.
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07:46 <Lucifer_arma> being the stay at home parent now, I'm considering homeschooling again, haha
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12:42 <Loor> Can anyone help me find the var directory?
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12:43 <Loor> Hehe, found it thanks!
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13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7216 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: Added support for VSync setting changes via SDL (Note: this seems to be a bit
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: buggy and does not work in Linux at all due to driver limitations, investigate)
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: and the special motion blur mode where VSync is disabled and the current
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: rendering is blended with the last frame.
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16:38 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7217 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (config/settings_visual.cfg src/render/rSysdep.cpp): Motion blurring now also affects the UI, which fixes the too bright fonts and HUD map.
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16:51 <MrBougo> hello
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17:00 <MrBougo> hello
17:08 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7218 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rScreen.cpp: Tweaked VSync stuff: added linux-nvidia specific code, removed warnings when compiling server.
17:14 <epsy> hi
17:29 <MrBougo> byue
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19:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7219 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Whoops, reset glDepthMask back to normal after motion blurring.
19:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7220 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/vParser.ypp: Added fix for malloc conflict
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19:29 <MrBougo> helo
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19:45 <Lucifer_arma> It's better to be slightly concerned about socialization than very concerned about socialism.
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/humor/131.htm
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> top 20 reasons to homeschool :)
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> 3. Your honor student can actually read the bumper sticker that you have on your car.
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/humor/181.htm
20:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7221 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/Z-Man/personal.cockpit.xml: personal leanified cockpit version, scrapped together from the default.
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: does your new personal cockpit have a rubber gauge?
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> Even Popeye didn't eat his spinach until he absolutely had to.
20:11 <MrBougo> bye!
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20:16 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.gomilpitas.com/humor/102.htm <--- I'm sure there can be a non-english equivalent of this game
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20:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_586.png
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> Real Programs don't have rubber gauges! :)
21:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_anger_and_insults/mt05_21a.html
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22:06 <z-man> I basically wanted to see what is eating our performance, and the cockpit pretty much is it :)
22:07 <z-man> (took 75% of total rendering time in one profiling run, with a minimal scene of course)
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22:17 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:17 <Lucifer_arma> um, eek?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> text widgets are highly inefficient, that's for sure
22:18 <wrtlprnft> (aw
22:18 <wrtlprnft> */aw
22:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any way to check how much of that is spent on actual opengl calls and how much is overhead by the cockpit system?
22:19 <z-man> That's pretty difficult, especially calculating the full cost of openGL calls
22:20 <z-man> since they are executed asynchroneously
22:20 <wrtlprnft> how much is the map eating?
22:20 <z-man> but gprof produces a nice list of how much each function uses, you could check there for your helper functions
22:21 <z-man> sorry, don't have the numbers here, I'm on Windows
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:21 <z-man> it was along the lines of half of the cockpit total, IIRC
22:21 <wrtlprnft> I don't think there's much to be done there, the rendering is complicated
22:21 <z-man> Yep
22:23 <wrtlprnft> I should probably implement caching the widths of table cols
22:23 <z-man> And the rest of the cockpit gets less important when the scene gets more complex, my test was just me vs one or two AIs, not complicated fights
22:23 <z-man> One true thing to optimize would be to render all the cockpit stuff into textures that only get updated occasionally, then just draw those textures
22:23 <z-man> that should be especially true for the console output
22:24 <wrtlprnft> huh? the console is not even in the cockpit
22:24 <z-man> I know, I was just thinking aloud :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> and most things in the cockpit change all the time, like rubber or speed
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> clamp the framerate to match vsync and then change the default fps to show simulation framerate rather than rendering framerate :)
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22:37 <wrtlprnft> ok, caching the widths is practically impossible the way it
22:37 <wrtlprnft> 's currently set up
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22:41 <z-man> no worries.
22:43 <wrtlprnft> my cockpit is probably a lot more resource eating
22:44 <wrtlprnft> but it does cast eSensors on every frame and has a lot more gauges (all of which i use, though)
22:49 <|Sticky|> #ping
22:49 <armabot> pong
22:49 <|Sticky|> #tea
22:49 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): POWERZ, Sativa, Sithy, ¦Ö¦$µbzero
22:49 <|Sticky|> hmm
22:50 <|Sticky|> cant seem to get on cafe
22:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:51 <|Sticky|> has it died?
22:51 <|Sticky|> #tea
22:51 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): POWERZ, Sativa, Sithy, ¦Ö¦$µbzero
22:52 <wrtlprnft> awll, people are playing
22:52 <wrtlprnft> [1] ~*HeLl/B/lAdE*~: I LOL'D
22:52 <wrtlprnft> last liine of chat
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22:52 <wrtlprnft> ah, looks like you got on there |Sticky| :) have fun
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22:56 <|Sticky|> clearly my wlan sucks tonight
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23:03 <spidey> zomg
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23:05 <xfrogg1> /leave
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23:32 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:32 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.5°F (4:35 PM CDT on May 07, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Falling).
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23:41 <kidd> #sty
23:41 <armabot> kidd: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
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Log from 2007-05-08:
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00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7222 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rScreen.cpp: Added special VSync code for Windows.
00:09 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7223 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/render/rSysdep.cpp: Fixed matrix and viewport settings for motion blur.
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00:34 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind southwest 30 km/h gusting to 50. Low 7.; Tuesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind southwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. High 27 except 13 in onshore winds. UV index 7 or high. Tuesday (1 more message)
00:34 <Vanhayes> #g 27 C in F
00:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:36 <Vanhayes> #g 27 c in F
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:36 <Vanhayes> #g 70 F in C
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:36 <Vanhayes> bah
00:38 <ghableska_> #weather 50266
00:38 <armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.3°F (5:40 PM CDT on May 07, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.03 in 983.0 hPa (Falling).
00:38 <ghableska_> #g 27 c in f
00:38 <armabot> ghableska_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:38 <ghableska_> o_O
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00:40 <Vanhayes> #help g
00:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
00:40 <Vanhayes> #g 27 degrees celcius in farenhiet
00:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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00:48 <ghableska> #g 5+28
00:48 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:48 <ghableska> O_O
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01:10 <duudii> http://pileofphotos.com/view/89/Funny-geek-shirts
01:15 <|Sticky|> heh i know the guy who owns the business that makes the first few shirts on that page
01:17 <Vanhayes> i like the new wild west server, where you votew for the mode
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01:24 <Durka> #hello
01:24 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: If this were Ada, I suppose we'd just constant fold 1/0 into || die "Illegal division by zero" || -- Larry Wall in <199711100226.SAA12549@wall.org>
01:25 <Durka> ghableska: *poke*
01:25 <Durka> o_O
01:26 <ghableska> Durka: *slap*
01:26 <ghableska> #hello
01:26 <armabot> Hello ghableska :) Random Fortune: "History is a tool used by politicians to justify their intentions." || -- Ted Koppel
01:27 <Durka> #ghab
01:27 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 73.9°F (6:30 PM CDT on May 07, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Falling).
01:27 <Durka> :P
01:27 <ghableska> -_-
01:27 <duudii> 8|
01:28 <Durka> o_O_o
01:31 <Vanhayes> #g 27 C in F
01:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:36 <Durka> Vanhayes: were you supposed to play yesterday? :P
01:37 <Durka> it was 89° F here when I got outta the car :O
01:37 <Durka> nice day though ^_^
01:37 <Vanhayes> ya, I was going to be Mr. White, but i was hung over and my computer wasnt hooked up
01:37 <ghableska> Mr. White? o_O
01:38 <Vanhayes> were painting this room yesturday, I can still smell it
01:38 <Vanhayes> ghableska: the team was Mr. colours
01:38 <ghableska> oh
01:40 <Vanhayes> not sure of the actual name but you get the idea
01:41 <Durka> it was actually Foggies With Wheelchairs :P
01:41 <Durka> I'm guessing you would've played instead of Pavelo?
01:42 <ghableska> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2074093,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
01:43 <Durka> ghableska: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=%2D250%2D000-conman-aged-13%26method=full%26objectid=19036130%26siteid=89520-name_page.html
01:43 <Durka> o_O
01:44 <ghableska> "When victims confronted him he laughed and told them: "You can't touch me - I'm a minor.""
01:44 <ghableska> hahaha
01:45 <Durka> rofl
01:48 <Durka> interesting story lol
01:48 <Durka> and I like how it says mum instead of mom
01:48 <ghableska> it says lad too :p
01:50 <Durka> i know xD
01:58 <ghableska> #tea
01:58 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:07 <ghableska> I suck at DEFCON :(
02:09 <|Sticky|> me too
02:09 <|Sticky|> still yet to beat the ai
02:09 <ghableska> on the tutorial?
02:09 <|Sticky|> no just a 2 player game with an ai
02:09 <ghableska> oh
02:10 <ghableska> I always end up with negative scores when I play online
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02:21 <|Sticky|> #teaa
02:21 <|Sticky|> #tea
02:21 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:22 <ghableska> wb
02:24 <Your_mom_arma> ty
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02:50 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:50 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 71.6°F (7:55 PM CDT on May 07, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Falling).
02:53 <ghableska> #seen digitx
02:53 <armabot> ghableska: digitx was last seen in #armagetron 5 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <digitx> D:
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03:33 <ghableska> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/012407-icf-ptc.html
03:39 <|Sticky|> judging by the uk citys on that list its bullshit
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04:04 <mkzelda> anyone know of a win32 command-line bittorrent client other than the official bittorrent client?
04:10 <mkzelda> i can simply run bittornado.exe --whatever-input-trigger somefile.torrent and im good w/ that?
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04:12 <mkzelda> I'm trying to utilize bittorrent to host files on multiple good hosts for the purpose of redundancy for reliability and speed so i dont have to do the traditional Mirror #1 Mirror #2, etc
04:13 <mkzelda> but one of them is win32 :(
04:13 <mkzelda> its not entirely necessary, but a service I'd love to provide
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> mkzelda, you could probobly turn it into a windows 'service', so it would run automatically at start
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> if it is in fact a command line client
04:15 <mkzelda> ya, but i just need to find a command-line client
04:16 <mkzelda> i find most hte guis have command line options
04:16 <mkzelda> but they still execute the gui
04:16 <mkzelda> i dont have gui access to this particular machine, just ftp and exec :D
04:26 <Durka> mkzelda: you're alive?
04:29 <mkzelda> ya
04:30 <mkzelda> kasablanca's time remaining says 0h0m0s, looks like "o homos"
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:59 <Durka> #ping
04:59 <armabot> pong
04:59 <Durka> :D
05:15 <GodTodd> #ding
05:15 <armabot> dong
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05:33 <Durka> lol
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05:52 <Durka> hi joe
05:52 <xfroggy> #hello
05:52 <DrJoeTron> yo
05:52 <armabot> Hello xfroggy :) Random Fortune: Kramer's Law: || You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks.
05:52 <xfroggy> #insult Durka
05:52 <armabot> Durka - You are nothing but a Microsoft-loving heap of spur-galled jizzum.
05:52 <xfroggy> :D
05:52 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> #uberinsult Durka
05:53 <Durka> :P
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> no more uberinsult?
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> pong
05:54 <Durka> lol
05:55 <DrJoeTron> i got sumfin for us to play
05:55 <xfroggy> I think I'm too early, no one in sumo yet O_o
05:55 <DrJoeTron> well
05:55 <DrJoeTron> sorta
05:56 <DrJoeTron> do you have zsnes?
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> I think I still have it installed, hold on
05:57 <DrJoeTron> ever play Super Demo World?
05:57 <xfroggy> is that Mario related?
05:58 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:58 <xfroggy> never heard
05:58 <DrJoeTron> its a custom made version of SMW
05:58 <DrJoeTron> its really hard
05:58 <DrJoeTron> i like it alot
05:58 <DrJoeTron> but 2 player over zsnes sounds funner :/
05:58 <xfroggy> :D
05:59 <Your_mom_arma> looks like I uninstalled it
06:00 <xfroggy> is it US release?
06:02 <DrJoeTron> its home made
06:02 <xfroggy> O_o, no wonder I dont have it ;/
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.dsfanboy.com/2007/05/07/the-most-hardcore-mario-yet/
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> reinstalled, link to the rom?
06:06 * xfroggy wants to know also
06:11 <DrJoeTron> well
06:11 <DrJoeTron> no its different from that
06:11 <DrJoeTron> i'll have to send the rom
06:12 <DrJoeTron> because i had to patch it and shit
06:13 <DrJoeTron> check your pm's
06:13 <GodTodd> i hope you patched it *before* you shit
06:13 <GodTodd> or at least washed your hands
06:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck that
06:14 <GodTodd> shit hands
06:14 <GodTodd> i used to patch bike tires
06:14 <DrJoeTron> i used to patch bike tires
06:14 <DrJoeTron> now i patch car tires
06:14 <DrJoeTron> vroom vroom
06:14 <GodTodd> fucking copy cat
06:14 <GodTodd> go to hell
06:14 <DrJoeTron> no u
06:15 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
06:15 <GodTodd> ur a fukin retard u luser
06:15 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:15 <DrJoeTron> 75.57.65.76 is my ip
06:15 * GodTodd pings.
06:15 <DrJoeTron> for zsnes anyways :o
06:17 <xfroggy> lmao
06:17 <xfroggy> its patched, right?
06:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:17 <xfroggy> ty :D
06:17 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma port 7845
06:17 <xfroggy> I havent played mario in years :S
06:18 <DrJoeTron> if you cant connect to it i'll port forward
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> wellp, what version are you using?
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> apperently the latest version doesn't have net code
06:18 <DrJoeTron> wha?
06:19 <DrJoeTron> 1.42
06:19 <DrJoeTron> what version are they on now?
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> 1.42n?
06:20 <DrJoeTron> i just have 1.42
06:20 <DrJoeTron> i can just send that too ya know?
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> I had downloaded 1.51
06:21 <DrJoeTron> http://75.57.65.76/zsnesw.exe
06:21 <Your_mom_arma> nah, they still have a download link from their download page for old versions
06:22 <DrJoeTron> i
06:23 <DrJoeTron> 'd be more offended if you used an actual word :o
06:23 <DrJoeTron> there we go
06:23 <DrJoeTron> what kinda fly?
06:23 <DrJoeTron> like stupid fly?
06:24 <GodTodd> if you took out the trash the flies would leave you alone, you know
06:24 <DrJoeTron> because sayin' DrJoeTron DAMN BITCH YOU IS SUPA FLY
06:24 <GodTodd> er...maybe not...flies like shit
06:24 <GodTodd> :D
06:24 <DrJoeTron> i like the sewer flies
06:24 <GodTodd> probably
06:24 <GodTodd> skank
06:24 <DrJoeTron> hah
06:24 <DrJoeTron> skank ass ho'
06:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ready?
06:25 <GodTodd> NO HES NOT NOW STFU ALREADY GAWD KTHXBYENOW
06:25 <DrJoeTron> TIA
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> looks like you need to forward the ports
06:26 <DrJoeTron> i dont have it running
06:26 <GodTodd> batten down the hatches! forward ports ahead!
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> heh
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> *well*, there's your problem
06:27 <DrJoeTron> ok
06:27 <DrJoeTron> its running
06:27 <GodTodd> then catch it
06:27 <GodTodd> do i have to tell you *every*thing?
06:27 <GodTodd> geez
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> not connecting:(
06:29 <DrJoeTron> hm
06:29 <GodTodd> good god...there's another movie i have to show my wife...she hasn't seen *any*thing :/
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> what's up with *this*
06:31 <DrJoeTron> ok
06:31 <DrJoeTron> i freed it
06:31 <DrJoeTron> udp btw
06:32 <DrJoeTron> huh
06:32 <DrJoeTron> what's up with *this*
06:32 <GodTodd> *this* is a far less annoying way than THIS to show emphasis
06:33 <DrJoeTron> ... Your_mom_arma you try hosting :/
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> ok
06:34 <GodTodd> luke-jr: eat shit and die :)
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> ip=70.106.90.120
06:34 <GodTodd> oooh luke-jr is a rebel!
06:34 * GodTodd is scared and intimidated now.
06:34 <GodTodd> heh
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> server's running
06:35 <DrJoeTron> do you have the port blocked :/
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> it isn't?
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> pretty sure it is
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> I didn't forward the port, should I
06:36 <DrJoeTron> I'm using the same one that downloaded from me
06:36 <DrJoeTron> try it
06:36 <DrJoeTron> or we can use a different port
06:36 <DrJoeTron> fuck it
06:36 <DrJoeTron> just forward 7845
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06:40 <Your_mom_arma> ok, should be forword'd
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> forward'd
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> ok try connecting now DrJoeTron
06:41 <DrJoeTron> fuck
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> boo
06:41 <DrJoeTron> i got an idea
06:41 <DrJoeTron> connect to this 192.168
06:41 <GodTodd> wow...there's a first...
06:42 <DrJoeTron> connect to this 192.168.1.73
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> that's your internal ip?
06:43 <DrJoeTron> nope!
06:43 <DrJoeTron> thats my lan one
06:43 <DrJoeTron> and its the one that zsnes is taking a shine to
06:43 <DrJoeTron> this sucks
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> should we try what luke-jr(boo) sugested
06:47 <DrJoeTron> its been a while since i used snes9x
06:47 <DrJoeTron> so why not
06:47 <GodTodd> Wash your mouth out!
06:47 * Your_mom_arma runs to bathroom for mouthwash as GodTodd suggests
06:47 <GodTodd> i meant with soap
06:48 <GodTodd> it's the only way you'll learn to stop cursing like that ;)
06:49 <Your_mom_arma> ok, I got 1.42
06:51 <DrJoeTron> damn
06:51 <DrJoeTron> ok
06:51 <DrJoeTron> fucking christ the joystick support is awful
06:52 <xfroggy> I bought a 5$ gamepad similiar to SNES one lol
06:55 <GodTodd> you guys should play this game
06:56 <GodTodd> http://www.adultswim.com/games/biblefight/index.html
06:57 <DrJoeTron> haha
06:57 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma I'm set up to go
06:57 <DrJoeTron> ARGH
06:57 <DrJoeTron> no I'm not
06:58 * GodTodd basks in the glow of luke-jr's tech glory.
06:59 <DrJoeTron> yeah this joystick support blows
07:00 <DrJoeTron> why cant i go right?
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> go?
07:00 * GodTodd wonders if this is heaven since luke-jr is quite obviously God.
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> im not hosting right now
07:00 <Your_mom_arma> should I be?
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07:00 <DrJoeTron> well
07:00 <DrJoeTron> i cant get any controls working
07:00 <DrJoeTron> even with a keyboard
07:00 <Stempo> that sucks
07:00 <DrJoeTron> nothing is working
07:01 <DrJoeTron> left is going down
07:03 <Stempo> down? down where?
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, everything seems to be working for me
07:04 <DrJoeTron> :(
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> although the controls are more award then I remember
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> awkward
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> blah
07:04 <DrJoeTron> well for me nothing is mapping correctly at all
07:04 <DrJoeTron> and it always wants to automatically press down
07:07 <Your_mom_arma> I can't seem to get it to change resolutions though
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07:09 <MrBougo> hello
07:09 <MrBougo> Now talking on #armagetrob
07:09 <DrJoeTron> oh well
07:09 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:09 <Your_mom_arma> armagetrob
07:09 <MrBougo> yep
07:09 <MrBougo> i saw an empty channel
07:10 <MrBougo> and went "wtf"
07:10 <MrBougo> then i noticed the typo
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, mary kicked noah's ass
07:12 <MrBougo> muh?
07:13 <MrBougo> Mary Pierce vs. Yannick Noah?
07:13 <MrBougo> i dont get it :/
07:13 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma ? :p
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07:16 <Lucifer_arma> <GodTodd> http://www.adultswim.com/games/biblefight/index.html
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> as expected, satan can kick everyone's ass, but mary's a hard motherfucker
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> no pun intended
07:17 <GodTodd> yeah...i won the game with satan :D
07:17 <MrBougo> oh i thought you were talking about tennis :/
07:17 <MrBougo> heh, what the
07:18 <MrBougo> a remix of Kingo Of My Castle
07:18 <MrBougo> i remember when i was 5
07:18 <GodTodd> well mary cheats...she has baby jesus helping her
07:18 <GodTodd> heh
07:18 <MrBougo> jeeze
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07:19 <DrJoeTron> TIME TO TRY DIS
07:19 <MrBougo> urhm
07:19 <MrBougo> joe?
07:19 <MrBougo> i wonder why that channel is called "adult swim"
07:20 <GodTodd> cuz that's the name of the show
07:20 <DrJoeTron> I'm gonna try noah
07:20 <DrJoeTron> its the program block on cartoon network
07:20 <GodTodd> oh...if you want to play as god...the code is JEHOVA iirc
07:20 <GodTodd> it gave it to me when i took over heaven
07:23 <DrJoeTron> noah sucks
07:23 <Durka_> 2 dorkas? o_O
07:24 <Durka_> :P
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07:24 <Durka_> :D
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07:24 <Durka> :D
07:24 <MrBougo> elo dur
07:24 <Durka> ka
07:24 <MrBougo> ka
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07:25 * Durka TIRED
07:25 <Durka> oops, caps =/
07:26 <MrBougo> lolz
07:26 * MrBougo SLEEPY
07:26 <Durka> ;P
07:26 <MrBougo> i wanna play tremulous
07:27 <MrBougo> but i'll have to stop in 3 minutes
07:27 <MrBougo> so i wont play tremulous
07:27 <MrBougo> :(
07:28 <GodTodd> haha http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html
07:30 <MrBougo> jesus..
07:31 <MrBougo> i mean..
07:31 <MrBougo> http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/screenshots-full/Screenshot-2.png
07:31 <MrBougo> what the hell
07:31 <MrBougo> ok i'm out
07:31 * MrBougo IS OFF TO SCHOOL
07:31 <MrBougo> bye :p
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07:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, moses is a worthless sack of shit
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07:36 <Lucifer_arma> jesus is actually pretty cool
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> he runs fast, anyway
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07:37 <Lucifer_arma> #dance
07:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma does the 'I killed chat' dance.
07:38 <GodTodd> yeah he's a limber lil fucker :)
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> still, when playing as satan I kicked his ass
07:40 <GodTodd> yep
07:40 <GodTodd> and god, for some odd reason, likes to change to noah
07:41 <GodTodd> http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ <--- equal time :)
08:16 <GodTodd> #dance
08:16 <armabot> GodTodd does the 'I killed chat' dance.
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09:36 <Lucifer_arma> You know it's time for bed when you're reading diffs on the wiki looking for good jokes
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12:45 <epsy> hi
13:05 <P4> hi epsy
13:06 <arctanx> 'evening
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13:48 <z-man-work> "We suggest installing over Ubuntu Christian Edition, but the standard Ubuntu will do fine." hehe, nice ;)
13:49 <z-man-work> #m Lucifer_arma Well, that's good!
13:49 <armabot> z-man-work: The operation succeeded.
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15:32 <MrBougo> hello
15:35 <epsy> hi
15:39 <MrBougo> pidgin 2.0 has been released
15:39 <MrBougo> Pidgin, former Gaim
15:41 <epsy> ...
15:41 <MrBougo> what?
15:41 <epsy> gaim sux
15:41 <MrBougo> Pidgin*
15:41 <epsy> it's same
15:41 <MrBougo> nah
15:41 <MrBougo> Gaim is < 2.0
15:42 <MrBougo> + 2.0 beta
15:42 <MrBougo> Pidgin is > 2.0 + final 2.0
15:42 <epsy> 2.0 will be the same shit than 1 series
15:42 <MrBougo> maybe xD
15:42 <MrBougo> why dont you like it?
15:42 <MrBougo> it's a nice multi protocol client
15:42 <MrBougo> but it used to have big security issues
15:43 <epsy> it's NOT a nice multi protocol client
15:43 <MrBougo> the password file wasnt encrypted :/
15:43 <MrBougo> why isnt it
15:43 <epsy> half of the protocols used by gaim have half support
15:43 <MrBougo> Miranda IM is good too
15:43 <MrBougo> do they?
15:43 <epsy> yes
15:43 <MrBougo> heh, i've tried icq, aim, irc, msn, jabber
15:43 <MrBougo> and it was all ok
15:44 <MrBougo> i mean decent
15:44 <epsy> have you tried adding transports in jabber ?
15:44 <MrBougo> transports?
15:44 <MrBougo> dunno
15:44 <MrBougo> heh, it changed
15:44 <epsy> it has NO support for them
15:44 <MrBougo> usually when software goes 2.0 it's better than 1.x :/
15:45 <epsy> i didn't read they iproved jabber support in the release notes
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15:45 <epsy> brb
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15:48 <digitx> wb
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15:49 <digitx> hi
15:50 <digitx> o
15:50 <noname> hi
15:50 <MrBougo> hiho
15:50 <digitx> armabothoz bemesz privibe: /query armabot
15:50 <digitx> :D
15:50 <MrBougo> i kno
15:50 <MrBougo> w
15:50 <digitx> azt beirod list, avagy a kereseshez: lastseen valaki
15:50 <digitx> de majd rajossz
15:50 <digitx> ok bugi .
15:50 <noname> hmm, ty :)
15:51 <digitx> np
15:51 <digitx> ;)
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15:54 <noname> brb, ill try trolltech :)
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18:33 * Lucifer_arma thinks we'd take 2020 a lot more seriously if he quit saying "imagine a bazillion players"
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18:44 <luke-jr_work> lol
19:02 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/sumo/squaresumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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19:23 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/sumo/squaresumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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19:28 <MrBougo> ello
19:37 <MrBougo> whew, this set is amazing
19:37 <MrBougo> downtemo dark housey stuff
19:37 <MrBougo> downtempo*
19:38 <MrBougo> a bit techy too
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19:41 <luke-jr_work> is MOTION_BLUR_TIME supposed to work? :/
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19:53 <spidey> life's a game and i'm the mvp \;D/
19:56 <spidey> soooo
19:57 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr civ tonight? ;D
19:57 <MrBougo> civ?
19:57 <spidey> yar
19:58 <spidey> i have lots of pot and wanna play something that doesn't require me to think to pwn luke :p
19:59 * MrBougo is playing: Kay Cee - Love Stimulation
19:59 <MrBougo> amazin
19:59 <MrBougo> oh ok civilizations
20:00 <MrBougo> i didnt know whatcha were talking about
20:00 <spidey> freeciv
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: unlikely, sorry
20:03 <MrBougo> that was a nice splat
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20:09 <Lucifer_arma> wow
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> how old is the google satellite imagery, anyway?
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.google.com/maps?q=2113+Wells+Branch+Pkwy+W,+Austin,+Texas+78728,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=30.434621,-97.685596&spn=0.001085,0.002189&t=k&z=19&iwloc=addr&om=1&layer=t
20:11 <luke-jr_work> spidey: ... unlikely
20:11 <luke-jr_work> *maybe* glob2
20:12 <MrBougo> bye
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20:13 <epsy> nice house, Lucifer_arma :D
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> heh
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> that's the junk yard I used to work at, and it looks like the picture was taken while they were tearing the place down
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> you can see the racks piled up as that pile of orange pipes
20:13 <epsy> yeah their images are old
20:13 <epsy> :/
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> now there's a completely new building there, with no trace of there ever having been a junkyard
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, now I have to drive to the spot marked on the map, bbiab
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> (ironically, it's right behind that junk yard)
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20:58 <digitx> #kernel
20:58 <armabot> digitx: The latest stable kernel is 2.6.21.1; the latest snapshot of the stable kernel is 2.6.21-git9; the latest beta kernel is 2.6.21-mm1.
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21:31 <duudii> #lastseen node7
21:31 <armabot> duudii: node7 seems to be on Wild West =Capture The Flag= right now.
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21:58 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): 0, achbad, d²+²a, Irish Republic, Pez, Siggys Schnitzl, SpinAce, Tiger, UnKnown, ~*SP*~Player_1, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦Ö¦Goax, °¯rain
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22:33 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9 players) || Norm's Place (8 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (8 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (7 players) || -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (7 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || The Tavern (6 players) || SPACEZONE III (6 players) || SPACEZONE [VERY HIGH SPEED!!] (6 players) || (1 more message)
22:33 <Vanhayes> #more
22:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~=ReN.Renegades Clan Server (6 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (5 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (3 players) || BFAM--Brotherz From Another Motherz (3 players)
22:34 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo -v wild west hold
22:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “wild west hold” at the moment, sorry.
22:34 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo -v hold
22:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “hold” at the moment, sorry.
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> omg
23:12 <wrtlprnft> i think i just kicked everyone from café
23:12 <Vanhayes> #tea
23:12 <Vanhayes> yup
23:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): =)~luAp~, cos, CTDimbiman, G5, i love tron, mr tickle, Pez, Polaris, Vanhayes, ~|DS|~|error|~, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦w¦Qico, ¦×¥ FoFo, °°Bhii
23:12 <Vanhayes> well that is old
23:13 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: what happened?
23:13 <wrtlprnft> the clock was some 10 minutes ahead
23:13 <wrtlprnft> so i used ntp-client to correct that
23:13 <ghableska> wd wrtlprnft
23:13 <wrtlprnft> which meant that arma thought you chatted a lot in those last -10 minutes
23:13 <Vanhayes> heh, im banned for 3 minutes due to spamming
23:14 <Vanhayes> hmm, i guess if someone didnt talk at all during that 10 minutes would the still be there?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> yeag
23:14 <Vanhayes> ya I think hay linn didnt get kicked
23:16 <wrtlprnft> ok, restarted it and removed all those bans
23:16 <wrtlprnft> sorry again
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23:17 <wrtlprnft> z-man: would the above count as a bug?
23:17 <Vanhayes> no problem, it was pretty funny
23:17 <wrtlprnft> everyone got kicked when they tried to chat?
23:17 <wrtlprnft> and everyone managed to say a last line?
23:18 <|Sticky|> quite right too...need to cut down on the tron banter
23:18 <z-man> wrtlprnft: no, that's not a bug. Weird stuff is supposed to happen with time travel :)
23:19 <wrtlprnft> 9461 [33] Flood protection bans everyone after 50 pings in -146.24 seconds.
23:19 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:21 <wrtlprnft> anyways, I guess i can run my emerge sync and emerge the new PHP now
23:21 <wrtlprnft> i didn't do that yet because the server was full and i didn't want to cause too many glitches
23:21 <wrtlprnft> but i guess i found a better way to empty my server
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23:57 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind southwest 40 km/h gusting to 60 diminishing to 20 this evening then becoming light overnight. Low 7.; Wednesday - Sunny. High 25 except 18 along the coast. UV index 7 or high. Wednesday (1 more message)
23:58 <|Sticky|> can someone point me to a good point in the code where you can intercept all the incoming chat?
23:58 <wrtlprnft> on the client?
23:59 <|Sticky|> yeah
23:59 <wrtlprnft> static void se_DisplayChatLocallyClient( ePlayerNetID* p, const tString& message )
23:59 <wrtlprnft> in ePlayer.cpp
Log from 2007-05-09:
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00:00 <|Sticky|> thanks
00:00 <wrtlprnft> yw, good night
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00:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.6°F (5:15 PM CDT on May 08, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.04 in 983.3 hPa (Falling).
00:17 <ghableska> #tea
00:17 <armabot> ghableska: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
00:17 <ghableska> #g 5+5
00:17 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:17 <ghableska> -_-
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00:36 <Vanhayes> #g 25 C in F
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:36 <Vanhayes> bah
00:38 <ghableska> heh
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01:02 <|Sticky|> #tea
01:02 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: No online players.
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03:13 <Vanhayes> #night
03:13 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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03:30 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.9°F (8:35 PM CDT on May 08, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Falling).
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03:38 <neostrider> hello folks
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04:03 <ghableska> #night
04:03 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:09 <GodTodd> hrmmm
05:55 <GodTodd> #m lucifer_arma any word from the doctor?
05:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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06:00 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
06:00 <armabot> pong
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06:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://technocrat.net/d/2007/5/8/19409
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> #m GodTodd yeah, the splint came off this morning when the orthopedist decided there was no damage, and the GP found no UTI in a urine sample
06:32 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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07:15 <MrBougo> hello
07:31 <MrBougo> bye :/
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09:54 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
09:54 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
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12:57 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/sumo/squaresumo-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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13:09 <epsy> hi
13:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: pong
13:14 <GodTodd> heh
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13:17 <GodTodd> #m Lucifer_arma splint? on your knee or what? good news that there's no UTI...did the gp have any suggestions as to what might be going on then?
13:17 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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13:22 <GodTodd> *** Outlaw (I've Got Rights):
13:22 <GodTodd> *** Last login from h24-65-12-159.gv.shawcable.net at Sat Apr 7 15:55:49 2001
13:22 <GodTodd> grrr
13:22 <GodTodd> RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.
13:22 <GodTodd> heh...what an idiot...
13:31 <kidanger> epsy: heuu, ça sert à quoi: <ShapeCircle growth='-10' ?
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13:42 <MrBougo> hello
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13:45 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/sumo/squaresumo-0.0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
13:45 <kidanger> hey
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13:51 <ghableska_> nooo, DrJoeTron http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6638771.stm
13:52 <DrJoeTron> this is why i don't get excited about games coming out
13:52 <DrJoeTron> because release dates are NEVER true
13:52 <DrJoeTron> and when they are
13:53 <DrJoeTron> they're fucking shitty and horribly buggy because they rushed it
13:53 <ghableska_> -_-
13:53 <DrJoeTron> to meet the dead line
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ._.
13:53 <ghableska_> ah well
13:53 <ghableska_> hopefully tf2 will come out before that :p
13:53 <arctanx> huh? what are these games you talk about?
13:53 <DrJoeTron> yeah along with duke nukem forever amirite?
13:54 <ghableska_> heh
13:55 <epsy> kidanger, ça sert à faire rétrécir la zone
13:56 <kidanger> haa ok merci
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14:09 <kidanger> new map:
14:09 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/sumo/squaresumo-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
14:09 <kidanger> ^^
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14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
14:53 <GodTodd> #ding
14:53 <armabot> dong
14:54 <MrBougo> #dong
14:54 <armabot> ding
14:54 <MrBougo> #poing
14:54 <armabot> piong
14:54 <MrBougo> #piong
14:54 <armabot> poing
14:54 <MrBougo> #pong
14:54 <MrBougo> there's a pong missing somewhere
14:54 <GodTodd> #list alias
14:54 <armabot> GodTodd: roulette, add, armabot, armaconfig, babel, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cfg, chatlog, check, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, do, dong, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, go, goodbye, hand, hello, hey, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, joke, killsomeone, laddle10, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, (2 more messages)
14:54 <GodTodd> #more
14:54 <armabot> GodTodd: lukejrwork, m, man, mara, mcalc, mfaq, monologue, morning, nano, night, null, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, pingme, piong, poing, praise, pwn, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, rules, roulette, serverdetails, serverinfo, silesia, slap, speed, stfu, stone, sty, svn, t, tea, team, tst4, tstservers, uname, unlock, ur, w, weather, where, (1 more message)
14:55 <GodTodd> #stfu
14:55 <armabot> ...
14:55 <GodTodd> #more
14:55 <armabot> GodTodd: where are the noobs ?, whoareyou, wikipedia, wild, wp, ww, ¡¡¡, and
14:56 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
14:56 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 70.3°F (8:02 AM CDT on May 09, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday morning...
14:57 <kidanger> #digitx
14:57 <armabot> kidanger: ja ja vnc me op vnc me op vnc vnc ja op me ja ja op me op me vnc me vnc ja op vnc ja op op op vnc
14:57 <kidanger> waw
14:57 <kidanger> #team
14:57 <armabot> kidanger: Wild West =Team Sumo= (by Durka): No online players.
14:58 <kidanger> #speed
14:58 <armabot> kidanger: ~*SpeederS*~ Server: Players (3/14): =SnT= ptizuzu, Bert Trotski, Nanners
14:58 <kidanger> #where are the noobs ?
14:58 <armabot> kidanger: the biggest noob, kidanger, is right in this channel!
14:58 <kidanger> haa
14:59 <kidanger> new map ( very strange ! ) :
14:59 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
14:59 <kidanger> ^^
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15:01 <MrBougo> jello maz
15:01 * MrBougo is downloading flashget
15:01 <MrBougo> awwwww! closed source! it hurts!
15:02 <MrBougo> but i'll download Feisty Fawn with it ;D
15:03 <MrBougo> and i'm installing vmware too
15:03 <MrBougo> who cares :/
15:06 <z-man-work> Anyone here using the gentoo overlay? epsy? Could you help this guy out? http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=172511#172511
15:06 <z-man-work> Or luke-jr, of course :)
15:10 <epsy> z-man-work, i'm looking
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15:32 <epsy> is it actually possible to force a player to spectator mode with a command ?
15:33 <z-man-work> AFAIK, it's only possible to keep him a spectator, you can't force him out.
15:33 <z-man-work> (wrtl implemented that, I'm not too sure about how you do it right now)
15:33 <epsy> heh
15:34 <epsy> this means if he join and have spect mode turned off, we wont be kicked out of the players and get in the spectators unless auto_team is enabled ?
15:35 <epsy> *we=>he
15:35 <wrtlprnft> i only implemented locking the state as it is
15:35 <z-man-work> epsy: the admin can always kick him completely
15:35 <wrtlprnft> you can allow a specific player to switch teams if you want to
15:35 <epsy> i see
15:36 <wrtlprnft> epsy: yeah, ask the person in question to leave his/her team, if (s)he doesn't, kick
15:36 <epsy> z-man-work, be preventive before being repressive, that what we learn't in france :/
15:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, it would be up to a bot, not an human
15:37 <wrtlprnft> if you're already hacking together a bot, go hack the server to add a console command
15:38 <z-man-work> and submit a patch :)
15:38 * epsy is so shitty in C :/
15:38 <z-man-work> No problem, arma is C++ ;)
15:38 <epsy> well, i mean in C++ too
15:39 <epsy> all i've done in C is sto remove the parts of arma which conflicts with my bot
15:39 <epsy> *c++
15:39 <epsy> (like login, logout, and admin commands)
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16:21 <luke-jr_work> ...
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16:50 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: she had a splint. I didn't tell you about that?
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19:21 <MrBougo> hello
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19:22 <epsy> hay MrBougo
19:22 <MrBougo> hoy hey
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20:28 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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20:58 <z-man> #m spidey Frigging 4 players in my Defcon tournament game look like they'll be missing, want to jump in? http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon/viewtopic.php?t=4440
20:58 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
21:03 <wrtlprnft> 4 out of 5?
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21:21 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I read that as "I'm kicking the living piss out of 4 players in my Defcon tournament game and they're all chickening out"
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21:36 <ICD> hi all
21:40 <P4> hi
21:40 <luke-jr|work> hi
21:40 <luke-jr|work> people need to learn to fscking read
21:41 <luke-jr|work> it says "Armagetron" and "MOO"
21:41 <luke-jr|work> NOT "Counter Strike" or "Wolfenstien"
21:41 <luke-jr|work> idiots
21:41 <P4> lol
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22:10 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: maybe they are intimidated by my leet talking, but I'm a godawful player actually and just want to make sure that if I make it into the next round, it's not just because no competition showed up.
22:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yeah, 4 out of 5 others, so far it's 1 vs 1 with the best three advancing to the next round.
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22:30 <wrtlprnft> i'd play, but i've got a history test on friday, and i suck at defcon anyways
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23:22 <z-man> Funny, everyone has a test this Friday.
23:26 <P4> #cfg
23:26 <armabot> P4: Sorry, no matches :S
23:26 <P4> #cfg spawn_wingmen
23:26 <armabot> P4: SPAWN_WINGMEN_BACK: Determines how much each wingman is placed backwards in a team. (default: 2.2029) || SPAWN_WINGMEN_SIDE: Determines how much each wingman is placed sidewards in a team. (default: 2.75362)
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23:36 <luke-jr|work> z-man: not I :o
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23:44 <|Sticky|> #tea
23:44 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): $cOw$, G5, help im a bug, Hyphy Leopard, SWiTcH, Thokul, tom, Vanhayes, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ¦Ö¦FoFo, ¦Ö¦Elex
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Log from 2007-05-10:
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00:13 <_Sticky_> #tea
00:13 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): åppå¡s¡÷n, Monkey, Some Mexican, Vanhayes, |ctt|©¨|~|owned, ¦×¥ FoFo, ©S¦µ4
00:15 <kidd> #sty
00:15 <armabot> kidd: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
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00:17 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 72°F / 22°C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - A few clouds. Fog patches developing this evening. Low 8.; Thursday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Fog patches along the coast. High 16 except 27 inland. UV index 7 or high. Thursday night..cloudy with 40 (1 more message)
00:17 <Vanhayes> #more
00:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: percent chance of showers or drizzle. Fog patches. Low 12.; Friday - Showers. High 16.;
00:17 <Vanhayes> warm week
00:18 <ghableska_> #weather 50266
00:18 <armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 83.1°F (5:20 PM CDT on May 09, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling).
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00:22 <Vanhayes> #g 81.1 F in C
00:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:22 <Vanhayes> grr, why doesnt that work anymore?
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01:42 <P4> Vanhayes: it's google fault
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01:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:49 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 77.7°F (6:55 PM CDT on May 09, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 28.93 in 979.6 hPa (Falling).
01:53 <Your_mom_arma> hey ghab
01:55 <ghableska> hi mom
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02:29 <DrJoeTron> oh cool
02:29 <DrJoeTron> people
02:29 <DrJoeTron> neat
02:29 <DrJoeTron> yo
02:36 <ghableska> ?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> sup
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03:29 <Durka> #hello
03:29 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Q: What's the difference betweeen USL and the Graf Zeppelin? || A: The Graf Zeppelin represented cutting edge technology for its time.
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03:29 <ghableska> o_O
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03:32 * Durka back
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03:35 <ghableska> #durka
03:35 <Durka> #ghab
03:35 <Durka> :P
03:35 <ghableska> :P
03:36 <ghableska> #hello
03:36 <armabot> Hello ghableska :) Random Fortune: "Mach was the greatest intellectual fraud in the last ten years." || "What about X?" || "I said `intellectual'." || ;login, 9/1990
03:36 <Durka> #morning
03:36 <armabot> Good Morning Durka Random Fortune: This life is yours. Some of it was given to you; the rest, you made yourself.
03:36 <Durka> :P
03:36 <ghableska> #crazylate [hello]
03:36 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
03:36 <ghableska> grr
03:36 <ghableska> #g 5+5
03:36 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:36 <ghableska> still broken :'(
03:37 <Durka> lol
03:37 <Durka> :(
03:38 <ghableska> #list
03:38 <armabot> ghableska: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
03:39 <ghableska> #markov
03:39 <ghableska> #time
03:39 <armabot> ghableska: 03:45 AM, May 10, 2007
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03:42 <ghableska> #tea
03:42 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Easy Rider, hoop, SofaKingWeird, UnKnown, xomewun
03:42 <ghableska> #seen ghableska
03:42 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 12 seconds ago: <ghableska> #tea
03:42 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
03:42 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Ðúrkå/xffff7f's Maze Server 0 days 23 hours 31 minutes ago.
03:44 <Durka> :O
03:44 <Durka> you were there?
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04:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: no, you didn't tell me she had a splint...
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04:50 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
04:50 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 73.6°F (9:56 PM CDT on May 09, 2007). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.23 in 989.7 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 7 am CDT Thursday...
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
05:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 65.7°F (10:53 PM CDT on May 09, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 263 in effect until 11 PM CDT this evening...
05:51 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: pong
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> she fell saturday night while playing with the neighborhood kids, and I basically (in 10 seconds because I'm medically negligent) gave her a 30% chance of a sprain, and a 70% chance of something that needed an x-ray
05:52 <GodTodd> ahhh
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> that 70% chance included "maybe nothing's wrong"
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> so we definitely didn't want to send her back to the school under the circumstances with a splint or a cast
05:54 <GodTodd> heh
05:54 <GodTodd> so, i take it that was all clear
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and so was the UTI thing (amazingly enough)
05:54 <GodTodd> good
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> and we're now wondering how it feels to think there's a UTI, and if you know anything about UTIs (like, say, enough to diagnose one) you should also know
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> that in the time since the "initial diagnosis", if we didn't take care of it, then by the time she did actually see a doctor, she should have been nearly on her deathbed
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> and we're wondering how it feels to use *that* as a reason to call CPS
05:55 <GodTodd> yep
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess tomorrow, after my final, I'll make sure the wiki database is available to someone, I think wrtlprnft is basically just waiting for that
05:57 * Lucifer_arma doesn't feel secure enough yet to reverse that decision, and thinks the move of the wiki and bugtracker should be permanent
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> (at least in the sense that they don't come back to my server)
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> (except as a backup/mirror, maybe, if things really stabilize instead of just looking stable)
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> and then Friday I'll summon up all my anger and frustration with the school and kick ass at the tournament
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've already advanced to the next round, because I scored at the top of my pool
05:58 <GodTodd> cool :)
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, the school is giving me 36 hours for the summer
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> we should be able to scrape by with that, but obviously my hours will be cut when the fall semester starts and I'm in classes again, and my wife will need to pick up the slack by then at the latest
06:00 <GodTodd> yep
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> but we're going to continue our search for a reliable babysitter so she can go ahead and find full-time work over the summer and beyond, so we can try to put some away for a bad day
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> our babysitter right now is quite reliable, but being a high school kid means she's only ever likely to be reliable during the school year
06:01 <GodTodd> makes sense
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I still want to try on homeschooling this summer and see how it feels, maybe having a 36-hour work week will give a more realistic test for the fall semester
06:02 <GodTodd> truly
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06:08 <GodTodd> faced with a vindictive school system like that, i'd probably try homeschooling as well
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> there's more scoop, but I don't know how interesting it is
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> the principal thinks the teacher has become emotionally attached to my daughter
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> the nurse has apparently told the principal that I keep hanging up on the nurse (which isn't true)
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06:10 <Lucifer_arma> it starts sounding like a daytime drama from there
06:10 <GodTodd> haha
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> I told my sister we seem to have stepped from Quentin Tarantino's world into Kafka's
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> so she offered the advice that if I wake up in the morning and can't move, hope nobody has a can of raid
06:10 <GodTodd> so what? is the teacher trying to get her taken away so she can try and get her?
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06:11 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, but if the teacher is emotionally attached, besides sounding like a psycho, she may be acting out of jealousy
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06:11 <Lucifer_arma> and jealous people do crazy shit!
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06:11 <GodTodd> true...does the teacher have kids?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> nope
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> single, too
06:11 <GodTodd> aha
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> she's the same age as my wife
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06:11 <GodTodd> you don't have any bunnies around do you?
06:11 <GodTodd> does the teacher keep bunnies?
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> she's actually pretty cute
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if she keeps bunnies, but her first grade teacher was a rabbit person
06:12 <GodTodd> cute, young, wants kids (apparently)...there's gotta be something wrong with her
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> there was a rabbit in the neighborhood for awhile
06:12 <GodTodd> (the bunny thing is just to make sure there's no fatal attraction episode) ;)
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> she's also shy and non-confrontational, and it seems like the principal might have actually nailed it on the head when she said "it might just be a personality clash"
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> my wife and I are occasionally shy, but we're hardly non-confrontational. We're a bit on the other end of that spectrum
06:13 <GodTodd> heh
06:13 <GodTodd> the word is "dicks" :P
06:13 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer the word "assholes", myself
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, because it's not gender-biased
06:14 <GodTodd> true
06:14 <GodTodd> but i think if a dude can be a pussy, then a chick can be a dick
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> my sister asked me if we had a plan, and I told her "yeah, I'll go down there with a sword..." ;)
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> while that's all true, I prefer to use words that show my wife the proper respect
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on, she's a mother, and a hot rockin' babe to boot
06:15 <GodTodd> heh
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, comfortable rockin' babe anyway (she's got a spare tire because she loves my cooking)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> (but I've seen her down at her smallest, and she is a hot rockin' babe :) )
06:16 <GodTodd> heh
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the likeliest explanation I've got now is that the teacher is basically trying to be nice, but the nurse is the disruption in there
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> which makes my pick of the nurse to try to get as an ally an extremely bad pick
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> or the right pick, if she went along with it
06:18 <GodTodd> so, what's the nurse's motive?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> NPD
06:18 <GodTodd> npd?
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_Personality_Disorder
06:18 <GodTodd> ah
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of other’s needs and of the effects of their behavior on others, and insistent that others see them as they wish to be seen
06:21 <GodTodd> so...why would that make her go after your daughter?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticised. To protect themselves from these dangers, they often react with disdain, rage, and/or defiance to any slight, real or imagined
06:22 <GodTodd> heh...i know a lot of people that match that disorder
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> Though individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> that last part is to answer the question "Why is she a school nurse?"
06:23 <GodTodd> she's good with a band-aid?
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> Co-narcissists organize themselves around the needs of others. They feel responsible for others, accept blame readily, are eager to please, defer to other's opinions, and fear being considered selfish if they act assertively.
06:23 <GodTodd> erg...that mostly sounds like me
06:23 <GodTodd> heh
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07:20 <orbisvicis> anyone have issues with the text in armagetron being replaced with colored rectangles?
07:24 <wrtlprnft> what version?
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07:32 <orbisvicis> 0.2.7.1 -16
07:37 <wrtlprnft> are other textures displayed?
07:45 <orbisvicis> everything in the game works fine (textures, etc), getting ~250 fps, etc, but after about 20 sec of gameplay, all the text overlaid on game gets replaced with rectangles
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07:46 <orbisvicis> the chat/status text in the top left - each line gets its own rectangle, each with different colors
07:46 <orbisvicis> (as example)
07:47 <orbisvicis> however the text in menus is fine
07:48 <orbisvicis> oh yeah, once in a while, seemingly random, the textures do get messed up
07:49 <orbisvicis> the floor becomes all white, and some parts of the wall, as though the tiling wasnt complete
07:49 <orbisvicis> it might be an xgl issue, though it'ld be kind of weird
08:02 <orbisvicis> how do i call armagetron from console to see errors ?
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09:44 <shrunken-akira> ?
09:45 <orbisvicis> , yeah i have some problems
09:45 <shrunken-akira> its an open gl issue
09:45 <shrunken-akira> i think
09:45 <shrunken-akira> try to use armas ogl
09:46 <shrunken-akira> i had such an issue too
09:46 <shrunken-akira> go to the config file
09:46 <shrunken-akira> why dont you use 0.2.8.1 ?
09:47 <z-man-work> orbisvicis: the texture messup bug IS an XGL issue, it was reported before.
09:48 <orbisvicis> hasnt been pre-rpm'd, got scared to do the makefile ever since i overwrote some crucial system files
09:48 <orbisvicis> armas ogl?
09:51 <z-man-work> Yep, it has been reported twice on the forum that Arma + XGL is currently a bad combination, even with current versions.
09:51 <z-man-work> by the way, have you tried the .package distribution? It is supposed to work well on all systems.
10:01 <orbisvicis> no, i should
10:01 <orbisvicis> that wouldnt fix it though
10:01 <orbisvicis> i get this text bug in all games, even though i run xgl nested in xorg
10:02 <orbisvicis> would switching to aiglx fix it?
10:02 <z-man-work> unknown.
10:03 <z-man-work> Switching back to plain old X without fancy 3d bells would fix the random texture thrashing, IIRC.
10:03 <z-man-work> I don't know about the text bug at all, sorry, that was not part of the previous error reports.
10:04 <z-man-work> Maybe it's a driver issue? What video card do your have?
10:05 <orbisvicis> nvidia 7900go
10:05 <orbisvicis> (laptop)
10:06 <z-man-work> The nvidia drivers usually are OK, at least I've never had such problems with them. I'd try reverting to classic old X, then, and see what happens.
10:07 <orbisvicis> yeah, the error goes away
10:11 <z-man-work> Well, then please report the error to the XGL guys. Of course, we'll give them every info they ask for, like how we handle textures and text rendering and stuff.
10:12 <orbisvicis> id like to do this: DISPLAY=:0 game : but how do i launch armas from the console ?
10:13 <z-man-work> Usually, just "armagetronad"
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11:00 <orbisvicis> yeah no if i route armas through xorg w/ full direct rendering, i still get the bug
11:00 <orbisvicis> weird
11:01 <orbisvicis> hmm, i wonder what shrunken-akira meant by go to the config file
11:01 <z-man-work> me too
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11:03 <orbisvicis> hey, shrunken-akira, what did you mean about go to the config file
11:04 <orbisvicis> b/c if i route armas through xorg w/ full direct rendering, i still get the bug
11:04 <orbisvicis> so its not a direct rendering/ogl accel issue
11:04 <z-man-work> You're talking about the text bug, not the texture thrashing, right?
11:05 <orbisvicis> yeah, the text bug
11:05 <orbisvicis> its hard to see if the texture thrashing was solved b/c it happens so randomly and occasionaly
11:12 <shrunken-akira> nvm .. I thought you operate under Win OS
11:17 <orbisvicis> ah ok
11:19 <shrunken-akira> there armatron has its own ogl
11:21 <orbisvicis> oh, so armas in windows doesnt run w/ cygwin ?
11:21 <orbisvicis> whats armas coded in?
11:21 <z-man-work> shrunken-akira: no, it only brings its own SDL. OGL still is provided by the OS
11:22 <z-man-work> orbisvicis: it's written in C++, and the current versions are compiled with mingw.
11:23 <z-man-work> previously, we used Visual C++, but Visual C++ 6.0 sucks and the new free Visual Studio Express makes deployment problems because it requires certain libraries not present on standard Windows installations before Vista.
11:24 <orbisvicis> ... and its probably not so 'right' to get those libraries without getting vista?
11:25 <z-man-work> not so easy. They are supposed to be installed in the system, but doing so right is really hard. So we took the easier route.
11:28 <orbisvicis> kudos
11:43 <shrunken-akira> ah
12:01 <P4> #ball
12:01 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ball pit” at the moment, sorry.
12:01 <P4> #sty
12:01 <armabot> P4: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
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12:49 <P4> #armaservers
12:49 <armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< (5 players) || Sumo Bar (4 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (1 players) || SPACEZONE III (1 players) || Cambridge School of Weston (1 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (1 players) || Chico's Ball Pit Experiment (0 players) || Wild West =CTF Shooting= (0 players) (1 more message)
12:49 <P4> #more
12:49 <armabot> P4: || Wild West =Fortress= ~Multi~Mode~ (0 players) || e-Vro Armagetronad Server (0 players) || The Lobster Tub(TEST) (0 players) || The Lobster Cage (0 players) || || L I G H T C Y L E H U N T E R S || (0 players)
12:49 <P4> #ball ! :D
12:50 <armabot> P4: Chico's Ball Pit Experiment: No online players.
12:50 <P4> shit :P
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13:06 <P4> :11: element Zone: validity error : Value "ball" for attribute effect of Zone is not among the enumerated set <=- what does it mean? (http://p4ziom.dyndns.tv/soccersty-0.1.2.aamap.xml) the server sources are patched with pig-030407
13:07 <P4> #serverinfo -v silesia
13:07 <armabot> P4: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu (87.106.101.25:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20070403 unix dedic, url: /xffe3e0http://p4.doesntexist.org/ , Description: “ Polski serwer testowy. “, No online players.
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14:01 <ghableska_> -_-
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14:21 <ghableska_> #weather 50266
14:21 <armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 63.3°F (7:20 AM CDT on May 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.99 in 981.6 hPa (Steady).
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15:49 <P4|away> oh
15:49 <P4|away> what's right DTD?
15:49 <P4|away> shrug?
15:50 <P4|away> oh
15:50 <P4|away> ok i'll look for it, thanks
15:50 <P4|away> no it's ed's precompiled binaries
15:50 <P4|away> #serverinfo -v silesia
15:50 <armabot> P4|away: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu (87.106.101.25:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20070403 unix dedic, url: /xffe3e0http://p4.doesntexist.org/ , Description: “ Polski serwer testowy. “, No online players.
15:50 <P4|away> 0.2.8_alpha20070403
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15:51 <P4> oh
15:51 <P4> so i need to tweak a lot :)
15:51 <P4> including private repos
15:53 <P4> who is trivumate? :}
15:55 <wrtlprnft> z-man, Lucifer_arma and guru3
15:55 <wrtlprnft> in reverse alphabetical order
15:56 <P4> oh :}
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16:13 <P4> what dtd should i use by default for pigsty patch? (styball mode) this is the resources: http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/
16:13 <P4> i cant find 'BALL' name in any of that dtds :|
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16:24 <P4> luke-jr|work: do you have the proper pigsty dtd?
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16:45 <wrtlprnft> P4: create a copy of the DTD in your dir and use that
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17:04 <epsy> ho
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17:25 <rain_who> test
17:25 <P4> in the default DTD there's no ball field but i be back later
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17:30 <wrtlprnft> P4|away: there is one in the source dir, resource/Your_mom/dtd/map-0.2.8.0_pig2.dtd
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18:15 <Lucifer_arma> nunununu <-- that's odd
18:21 <GodTodd> i count 8 characters...that's even
18:25 <Lucifer_arma> really? But it's symmetric around the origin, that's odd
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18:31 <Arma951> hello
18:32 <Arma951> I'm really confused
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20:10 <MrBougo> hello
20:10 <wrtlprnft> hi
20:11 <MrBougo> so it's here
20:11 <MrBougo> A State of Trance episode 300
20:11 <MrBougo> crazy
20:12 <MrBougo> it doesnt sound unusual
20:12 <MrBougo> maybe in the intro
20:12 <MrBougo> and in the mixing speed
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> why are these Arma### characters always so disoriented?
20:16 <MrBougo> they are using durka durka land's applet
20:16 <MrBougo> i men the site's applet
20:17 <MrBougo> and most of them dunno what irc means, i guess
20:17 <MrBougo> and now i'm out
20:17 <MrBougo> bye
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21:03 <ackrite> hi all
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21:05 <ackrite> :)
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22:14 <GodTodd> woot....090 COSC1337S70 PROG FUND II - JAVA A 3.00 12.00
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22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'ms till not finished with classes
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm preparing for my physics final by eating fried potatoes and fried eggs over easy
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> "That's right, Negro starts with N! Good job!" --Sesame Street, circa 1920
22:27 <GodTodd> i finished my last final this morning
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> what class?
22:28 <GodTodd> chem
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> weeee
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> did you get to blow shit up?
22:28 <GodTodd> no, i got to take a standardized ACS multiple choice final test
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> acs? American Chemistry Society?
22:29 <GodTodd> you're thinking the *lab* final...that was on monday :)
22:29 <GodTodd> american chemical society
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> that kinda reminds me, I need to see if there's an AS I can get next year by adding my coursework to a few extra classes
22:30 <GodTodd> at least this semester taught me one thing....i definitely don't want to make a career of chemistry ;)
22:31 <GodTodd> scholarship?
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> no, just a certificate that should improve job chances if needed while finishing my BS
22:32 <GodTodd> ah
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22:32 <GodTodd> see...if i chose to do it, i could probably get some tech job with my AAS until i finish my BS
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet hollandaise sauce would be really good on potatoes
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, even a job that's not a tech job
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> you could use it the way most college degrees are used: to show you know a bunch of shit and that you belong in the "know a bunch of shit but can't do shit" club
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, that's what a college degree seems to mean more often than not...
22:34 <GodTodd> well...it's in computer networking so i could probably get a tech job
22:34 <Lucifer_arma> see if the school's hiring. :)
22:34 <shrunken-akira> hollandaise = :)
22:34 <GodTodd> well...at the moment i don't have to...and this way i can shove more classes in
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> too true, and your family probably does a good job making sure you don't sit around idle
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> (mine sure does)
22:35 <shrunken-akira> ...
22:35 <GodTodd> heh, you know it :)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I have to finish my one page of notes
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> final starts at 5:40
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> he said it'll be all multiple choice, which could actually be very difficult
22:36 <GodTodd> multiple choice is usually harder for me...i try to talk myself into wrong answers
22:36 <GodTodd> heh
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> when I worked through the review, the only formulas I actually needed to add were the kinematics formulas that I used vector calculus to solve on the kinematics test
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, his multiple choice tests have real problems you have to solve, so it's not like you can just guess at the answer
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> and he always has as choices the answers you think are right when you don't work the problem all the way through or try to do it in your head
22:37 <GodTodd> yeah...so did the chem one
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> so if you doon't start writing, you're fucked, pretty much
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> but it does mean there's no partial credit on any specific answer
22:38 <GodTodd> yep
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a do this outside, so I probably won't be back until after the final
22:39 <GodTodd> k
22:39 <GodTodd> goo luck
22:39 <GodTodd> :)
22:40 <GodTodd> good*
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23:22 <|Sticky|> #tea
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23:22 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): akira, CTDimbiman, dumb shit, I rule, Softy, Thokul, van Nelle, Vanhayes, [Dömer]²³ Kamak, ¦Ö¦FoFo, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦×¥ $µazero
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23:45 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:45 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 84.7°F (4:45 PM CDT on May 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 28.95 in 980.2 hPa (Rising).
23:47 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
23:47 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 85.5°F (4:47 PM CDT on May 10, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Falling).
23:47 <ghableska> #tea
23:47 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): BamBoy, Gonzap, ©T¦¶3
23:49 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo elim
23:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (8/16): CT, Kamakazi, MOBY, Vanhayes, ~"XzL.Tvitesse, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦×¥ FoFo, ¦×¥Flex
23:49 <|Sticky|> anyone else having trouble with http://wiki.armagetronad.net/
23:58 <Vanhayes> ya its not laoding
23:58 <ghableska> same here
23:58 <Vanhayes> loading*
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00:36 <|Sticky|> #tea
00:36 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): BowChicaBowWow, cos, hand, ikono, InfecteD, ©S¦µ4
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00:37 <|Sticky|> http://www.tranism.com/weblog/2007/05/game_widows_fig.html can we make these tron compatable
00:38 <|Sticky|> would work quite well for tron
01:03 <luke-jr_work> |Sticky|: no
01:04 <|Sticky|> heh
01:05 <|Sticky|> would like to see people double bindig with them
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02:13 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 82.8°F (7:10 PM CDT on May 10, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Rising).
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02:19 <ghableska> wow, so now there's a petition to bring Zop back? o_O
02:20 <|Sticky|> heh
02:21 <|Sticky|> i was quite surprised by the comparison to skip, id put zop way ahead of skip
02:21 <ghableska> same
02:22 <ghableska> #lastseen Zop
02:22 <armabot> ghableska: AntyCzops has last been seen on Pietraszkowo 4 days 8 hours 16 minutes ago.
02:22 <ghableska> er
02:23 <|Sticky|> tried that a while ago...he is nolonger in the range of last seen
02:23 <|Sticky|> #lastseen -v Zop
02:23 <ghableska> oh
02:23 <ghableska> do you remember lag?
02:23 <|Sticky|> a player?
02:23 <ghableska> yeah
02:23 <|Sticky|> before my time
02:23 <ghableska> heh
02:24 <armabot> |Sticky|: timed out
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03:32 <DrJoeTron> wow
03:32 <DrJoeTron> this place is deader than usual
03:32 <DrJoeTron> whats the occasion?
03:33 <DrJoeTron> someone needs to play kart rider with me damn it
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05:10 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
05:10 <armabot> pong
05:14 <GodTodd> #ding
05:14 <armabot> dong
05:14 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:14 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 72.7°F (10:14 PM CDT on May 10, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Rising).
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05:29 <GodTodd> ace the test?
05:31 * GodTodd is still trying to figure out how he got an A in java ;?
05:31 <GodTodd> :/*
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> not quite
05:33 <GodTodd> 'b'ace the test?
05:33 <GodTodd> :)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> with luck
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't that hard, I just wound up guessing on a couple is all
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> it was multiple choice, after all
05:34 <GodTodd> this semester seemed harder than most to me for some reason
05:35 <GodTodd> the classes weren't all that challenging really
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> there's a cumulative effect iin the background I haven't managed to identify yet
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> maybe there's just an increase in general stress that's a result of the roller-coaster every semester is
05:35 <GodTodd> could be
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> I did manage to identify two problems with the test :)
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> one the question was "what's the position vector for the point (12, -5)?"
05:36 <GodTodd> all i know is i went into finals week hoping for 4 Cs....and didn't do anything *during* finals week to up those expectations :/
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> the choices were 12i + 5j *twice*, and some other stupid choices
05:36 <GodTodd> heh
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> so I left mine blank, made a note, and when I turned it in, I pointed it out to him
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> so he basically told the class the answer is A by telling them that choice A has -5j on it, then grabbed a pencil and filled in the block on my answer sheet :)
05:37 <GodTodd> usually with stuff like that, everyone gets credit for it
05:37 <GodTodd> yeah...like that :)
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> I was surprised at how many brain-dead early semester questions were there
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> normally you expect the final to be heavy on the later stuff becuase you need the earlier stuff to solve it anyway
05:38 <GodTodd> they like to do that....to test memory and comprehension of the subject as a whole
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and I expected some, just not so many
05:38 <GodTodd> the later stuff will be on the next final as the early stuff ;)
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> like half the test was brain-dead first semester stuff, and the first 5 questions were calc 1 questions anyway
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> s/first/early
05:39 <GodTodd> that PHYS I?
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> it has calc 1 as a prereq, and calc 2 either completed or concurrently enrolled
05:39 <GodTodd> yeah
05:39 <GodTodd> that's the one i'm aiming for
05:39 <GodTodd> university physics
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> it ws fun, no doubt about that
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, the last question was "Who is the best physics teacher in the world?"
05:40 <GodTodd> haha
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> it had only one choice :)
05:40 <GodTodd> you don't say... ;)
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> so I got at least one question right
05:40 <GodTodd> 2
05:40 <GodTodd> the vector one too
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, assuming he answered it correctly for me :)
05:40 <GodTodd> i would bet money on it
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> he's got a twisted sense of humor, he may have answered one of the stupid ones
05:40 <GodTodd> :)
05:41 <GodTodd> yeah but very few teachers will fuck with a grade to be "funny"
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> depends, I was sure I didn't have a passing grade when I went in to the review session, but the drop day had passed, and the test I was depending on was the one my wife fucked
05:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to suspect I was either in much better shape than I thought, or he's intending to fudge the grade anyway
05:42 <GodTodd> heh
05:42 * Lucifer_arma has already had one teacher fudge a grade, but in that case it was to jump from a B to an A
05:42 <GodTodd> yeah...the only time they will fudge will be to your benefit
05:42 <GodTodd> unless you really piss them off :D
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05:43 <GodTodd> z-man with z-plan
05:44 * GodTodd *hates* this part of the semester.
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> the part where you wait for your grades?
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> I hate that part too
05:47 <GodTodd> yeah, that part
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv tomorrow?
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> no idea
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> tomorrow's the end of the fencing tournament, and I just have to go and kick some ass
06:00 <GodTodd> is that your final in that class?
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> what there is of a final, anyway. It's a participation grade, but the tournament is the climax of the class
06:01 <GodTodd> so as long as you try you get an A? like HS Phys Ed?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> pretty much, yeah
06:01 <GodTodd> ah ok
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only way to do it that's not discriminatory in some way
06:01 <GodTodd> true
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> but if you have enough absences, you have to take a paper test
06:02 <GodTodd> tho by that logic...grading in other classes is discriminatory against stupid people ;)
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> technically I have already gone enough days, since I've been to every class, and one of the makeup days as practice, so I can not show up and still be shown present for as many days as there have been classes held
06:04 <GodTodd> welp...now i have to wait til tomorrow to camp on the grades site :/
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> shut down for the night?
06:05 <GodTodd> yep
06:05 <GodTodd> 8am to 11pm
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, I don't remember my password :(
06:06 <GodTodd> we sign in with a CWID and PIN
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09:27 <spidey> could anyone tell me what this means
09:28 <spidey> [May 11 03:27:31] ERROR: 1178868451 shttpd_open_port: bind(4550): Address already in use
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09:32 <spidey> z-man:
09:32 <spidey> when's the tourny?
09:33 <shrunken-akira> tourney?
09:33 <spidey> 'nother game
09:36 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr ping
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10:14 <spidey> z-man-work:
10:14 <z-man-work> The tournament game was canceled due to not enough players showing up, if that's what you want to ask.
10:15 <z-man-work> I seem to be extremely unlucky in these matters. At least, this game was not started at 2 AM.
10:15 <z-man-work> s/started/planned to start/
10:16 <spidey> k
10:16 <spidey> i see defcon still makes you load EVERYTHING
10:16 <spidey> which is gay -.-
10:16 <z-man-work> Good news is that this meanst there are still places free in the tournament :)
10:16 <z-man-work> load EVERYTHING?
10:16 <spidey> yea
10:16 <spidey> text
10:17 <spidey> everything that's happened since the server started
10:17 <spidey> that's why the connect time to a game that's already started is so slow
10:17 <spidey> or even a server that hasn't start but's ran along time
10:17 <z-man-work> That's only a bad thing if you want to spectate a game that already started a while back
10:17 <spidey> what if you get disconnected?
10:17 <z-man-work> there is certainly room for optimization there :)
10:17 <spidey> game crashes/router restarts
10:18 <z-man-work> like, use the sync data you have on your disk from the last session?
10:18 <z-man-work> Somehow, all the network stuff gets logged on disk, but never put to use.
10:19 <z-man-work> And late joiners probably also get all the "nothing happened in this microsecond" messages.
10:19 <spidey> heh yea
10:19 <spidey> defcon shouldn't be a 1.0 release :p
10:19 <spidey> or even 1.42
10:20 <spidey> btw, i get this error with tron and i don't know why
10:20 <spidey> [May 11 03:27:31] ERROR: 1178868451 shttpd_open_port: bind(4550): Address already in use
10:20 <z-man-work> Well, it's their first multiplayer game, and for that, it works well
10:20 <spidey> i think it's got something to do with why the server refuses connections
10:20 <z-man-work> ah, that's Lucifer_arma's embedded web server.
10:20 <spidey> it's disabled in server_info.cfg though
10:21 <z-man-work> Probably a nop config, dunno. Try giving it a different port, maybe?
10:21 <spidey> hm
10:24 <spidey> worked, thanks :)
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10:39 <digitx> spidey!
10:39 <digitx> D:D
10:40 <spidey> lol
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13:04 <eddiefantasti1> Howl's Moving Team Sumo
13:04 <eddiefantasti1> Anyone care to help me test it?
13:05 <z-man-work> on it :)
13:05 <z-man-work> (as Great Wizzard)
13:08 <eddiefantasti1> as flip
13:27 <z-man-work> Fun :) Non-team gameplay degenerates to trying to block the path the zone is moving to and going out to the left and right as far as you can without getting your zone collapsed...
13:27 <z-man-work> but in team mode, that does not work any more.
13:28 <z-man-work> I think the "two teams of two players per zone" setup is quite optimal, four teams per zone would be crowding it. Maybe make a variant where there only is one zone that moves a very long distance, limited to four players?
13:30 <arctanx> heh. how's moving
13:30 <arctanx> howl's*
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13:34 <LIzz> anyone there??
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13:38 <eddiefantasti1> Thanks, I'm going to try the 4 teams/zone model
13:39 <eddiefantasti1> Although one player would find it hard against 2
13:39 <eddiefantasti1> enemies
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13:56 <ghableska> #weather 50266
13:57 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.4°F (6:55 AM CDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.04 in 983.3 hPa (Rising).
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16:03 <eddiefantasti1> Howl's Moving Team Sumo v2 is up
16:05 <P4> hi eddiefantasti1 :D
16:05 <eddiefantasti1> hi P4
16:05 <eddiefantasti1> comr to Howl's Team Sumo
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17:02 <MrBougo> elo
17:18 <drunken-akira> hi
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17:21 <epsy> hi
17:25 <MrBougo> bye
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17:39 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
18:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7224 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/configure.ac: Added check for GLEW.
18:02 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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18:28 <GarethAdams> hey :)
18:41 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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19:55 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
20:01 <wrtlprnft> [ 0%] Built target wtf
20:01 <wrtlprnft> building KDE is fun…
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20:11 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:11 <luke-jr_work> kde4?
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20:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:39 <wrtlprnft> from SVN, though
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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21:21 <ackrite> hi
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21:32 <DrJoeTron> doot doot doot
21:32 <z-man> #serverinfo Howl
21:32 <armabot> z-man: Howl's Moving Team Sumo: No online players.
21:39 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i'm there now if you're looking for someone to play against
21:40 <z-man> cool
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22:23 <z-man> not actually tired of course, but played enough for today
22:25 <wrtlprnft> 21:42 <armabot> [ADMIN]Z-Man has last been seen on Z-Man's Tournament Fortress 4 days 21 hours 28 minutes ago.
22:25 <wrtlprnft> when i checked if you maybe were on another server with the same name :D
22:36 <_Sticky_> arg still cant get the wiki
22:37 <_Sticky_> how do you switch to fortress map with the ingame server?
22:40 <z-man> INCLUDE examples/cvs_test/fortress_complete.cfg
23:07 <mkzelda> anyone ever deal with data recovery?
23:08 <mkzelda> i mean, the kind u have to pay a lot of $ for
23:08 <z-man> luckily, no.
23:08 <mkzelda> I found a place willing to do it for $500 instead of the usual $1500-$3000 other professionals cost, and they only make you pay if they succeed
23:09 <mkzelda> but im wondering what the chances of recovery are when the situation is as bad as this...
23:09 <mkzelda> not sure if the filesystem is reiserfs or reiser4
23:09 <mkzelda> its got loop-AES on it
23:09 * z-man suppresses comments about the FS
23:09 <mkzelda> and im not 100% on my passphrase
23:10 <z-man> Is it mechanically OK?
23:10 <mkzelda> no, thats the prob
23:10 <mkzelda> fdisk just reports I/O errors
23:10 <mkzelda> unable to read table
23:10 <mkzelda> unable to write a new one
23:10 <z-man> Then the job of the recovery company would be just to give you the raw dump, the encrypted version
23:11 <z-man> the rest would be up to you
23:11 <mkzelda> thats what i figured
23:11 <mkzelda> good deal, thats ideal for me
23:11 <mkzelda> they gave me a different impression though
23:11 <mkzelda> the problem was also finding a place that was willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement
23:12 <mkzelda> cause i have confidential/classified information on the drive
23:12 <z-man> Well, what those companies do in the first step is save the raw data
23:12 <z-man> it should be possible for you to get to that data in a suitable format, say, on a new HD.
23:13 <mkzelda> in an interesting turn of events, i happened to order a new hd from the same company w/o knowing it (b/c they call their data recovery department something different)
23:13 <mkzelda> and the drive i got was DOA
23:13 <mkzelda> so im sending that back, i can send both in the same package
23:13 <mkzelda> and that drive can be used to dump
23:13 <mkzelda> i mean, the replacement drive
23:13 <z-man> careful that they don't swap the drives :)
23:14 <mkzelda> well neither are usable, but yea, i see what you mean
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23:14 <ghableska> #weather50266
23:14 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:14 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 88.7°F (4:10 PM CDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Rising).
23:15 <mkzelda> so on a site note, what filesystem do you like since you're not a fan of reiser?
23:18 <mkzelda> *side note*
23:18 <z-man> I'm really indifferent, it's just the (rumored) tendency of the file system to destroy data that gave it the name KillerFS that also gets a strange aftertase with the current events around Hans Reiser.
23:18 <mkzelda> heh
23:18 <z-man> I used the first ReiserFS myself quite a while back on SuSE, never had problems.
23:19 <mkzelda> ya ive heard those rumors
23:20 <mkzelda> ive had drives die from all manufacturers, and using all filesystems
23:20 <z-man> You hear the same stuff about every FS. Half the people say "Don't use it, it swallowed my data", the other half says "never had any problems with it".
23:20 <mkzelda> ya same debate w/ maxtor vs wd vs seagate vs ibm vs samsung
23:20 <z-man> exactly
23:21 <mkzelda> i've used the hell out of it, and other filesystems, and drives, on tons of "production level" machines, and never had any problems... i use reiser when i need performance cause in my tests, it outperforms
23:21 <mkzelda> i used to run sites for the scene, 1tb+ , 24/7 data coming in, 15 files being upped at the same time
23:21 <mkzelda> reiser did the best for me, performance-wise, which is where i use it...
23:22 <mkzelda> if the drive is for archive,
23:22 <mkzelda> then i dont use it, b/c i give a little credit to the rumors
23:22 * z-man is away now, wife time :)
23:35 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
23:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 48°F / 9°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 6:21 PM ADT; Tonight - Showers ending overnight then cloudy. Risk of a thundershower this evening. Local amount 10 to 15 mm. Fog patches spreading inland. Wind southwest 30 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 8.; (1 more message)
23:35 <Vanhayes> #more
23:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: Saturday - Clearing early in the morning. High 15. UV index 7 or high. Saturday night..a few clouds. Low plus 3.; Sunday - Sunny. High 14.;
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23:39 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr are you there?
23:39 <Rebel_Eclipsed> or maybe luke-jr_work
23:40 <Rebel_Eclipsed> XD
23:46 <ghableska> #tea
23:46 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): =)~luAp~, cos, ikono, Monkey, Ossi, Sithy, Twiggy, Vanhayes, ~ X ~, ~|DS|~zion, °°@shitakA, °°LAGELiS, °°Olato
23:46 <Rebel_Eclipsed> anyone seen luke-jr_work today?
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23:51 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #eclipse
23:52 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #eclipsed
23:52 <Rebel_Eclipsed> hmmm
23:52 <Rebel_Eclipsed> how did he do that?
23:53 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #eclipse-d
23:55 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails eclipse
23:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - N.A. Division Arma Clan :.: No online players.
23:56 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Cool thanks wrtlprnft
23:57 <Rebel_Eclipsed> How ya been? Haven't seen you much since I left |MBC|
23:57 * Rebel_Eclipsed is GridPirate
Log from 2007-05-12:
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00:07 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Quiet crowd
00:08 <wrtlprnft> sorry, was away
00:08 <Rebel_Eclipsed> :)
00:08 <wrtlprnft> well, fine
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00:08 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a lot to do with MBC anymore
00:08 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Me either
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00:09 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: umm, the wiki is down
00:09 <Rebel_Eclipsed> One of the folks on my forum had a question you might be able to answer wrtlprnft
00:10 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Can Arma be played in a browser?
00:10 <wrtlprnft> no
00:10 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I didn't think so
00:11 <wrtlprnft> the only thing that might be technically doable is making an activeX thingy for IE/windows
00:11 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Honestly, I think he's trying to find a way to access from school.. lol
00:12 <Rebel_Eclipsed> He should be doing his school work
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00:12 <wrtlprnft> heh
00:12 <Rebel_Eclipsed> wb Vanhayes
00:12 <Vanhayes> ty
00:12 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately you can't even do port forwarding tricks with SSH as arma's using UDP
00:13 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Now, can you have Arma switch settings with a key word? Someone was saying you can... I'm thinking its a script tho
00:14 <wrtlprnft> well
00:14 <wrtlprnft> in 0.3.0 there's a /console command
00:14 <wrtlprnft> so you can use instant chats for console commands
00:14 <wrtlprnft> combined with the INCLUDE command you can bind a key to an arbitary number of settings
00:15 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Is 0.3.0 stable yet?
00:15 <wrtlprnft> no, never going to be
00:15 <Rebel_Eclipsed> oh?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> all 0.3 releases will be development versions
00:16 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I see.. when is the next stable due out?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> well, the unstable 0.3.1 is overdue by half a year now
00:17 * Rebel_Eclipsed is still waiting for Gimp 3
00:17 <Rebel_Eclipsed> So I can wait
00:17 * wrtlprnft is still waiting for GNU HURD
00:17 <Rebel_Eclipsed> What's that?
00:18 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HURD
00:18 <Rebel_Eclipsed> looking
00:18 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: so when is 0.3.1 going to be out, realistically?
00:18 <wrtlprnft> dunno
00:19 <wrtlprnft> needs some work on the sound engine and full backwards compatibility for the zones I think
00:19 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Interesting! Since 1990 I see..
00:23 <Vanhayes> so only .3 and trunk can play in a server with zones?
00:23 <Vanhayes> er, New zones*
00:27 <wrtlprnft> no
00:27 <wrtlprnft> well
00:27 <wrtlprnft> clients >0.3.0 will be able to play on older servers with zones
00:28 <wrtlprnft> clients <=0.3.0 will be able to play on servers with circular zones
00:28 <wrtlprnft> but the trunk server currently can't handle maps with old zones
00:30 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Forgive my ignorance.. but the new Zones have different shapes?
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00:31 <wrtlprnft> can have, yeah
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00:32 <wrtlprnft> basically any polygon
00:35 <Rebel_Eclipsed> oh cool
00:36 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I might have to learn how to make maps
00:36 <Vanhayes> so what can the new zones do now? I think I remember a server where if you had a certain name it teleported you if you hit a zone, or maybe it did something else
00:37 <wrtlprnft> all kinds of things, ask philippe
00:38 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:38 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:38 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:38 <Rebel_Eclipsed> later!
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01:10 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:10 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 87.6°F (6:09 PM CDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.04 in 983.3 hPa (Rising).
01:16 <ghableska> #tea
01:16 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): angry n:00b, ÐÐLJ, Genki, V:a:n:h:a:y:e:s, [nrx], ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦×¥ FoFo, «±º, °¯AshitakA
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01:21 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr or luke-jr_work Are you around?
01:29 <ghableska> heh
02:01 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I'll check back later for luke-jr or luke-jr_work
02:01 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #serverdetails eclipse
02:01 <armabot> Rebel_Eclipsed: .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - N.A. Division Arma Clan :.: No online players.
02:01 <Rebel_Eclipsed> later all
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02:06 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
02:07 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 80.8°F (8:06 PM EDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising).
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02:38 <Lucifer_arma> sorry about the wiki being down, it's back up
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> probably cut off the dsl modem when I was turning off breakers to change a light fixture
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03:33 <Loor> #serverinfo The Rivers
03:33 <armabot> Loor: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “the rivers” at the moment, sorry.
03:33 <Loor> arg
03:33 <Loor> #serverlist
03:33 <Loor> #serverinfo The Rivers Of Zadda
03:33 <armabot> Loor: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “the rivers of zadda” at the moment, sorry.
03:34 <Loor> hmmm
03:34 <Loor> #onlineservers
03:35 <armabot> Loor: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (10 players) || Wild West =CTF Shooting= (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9 players) || SPACEZONE III (8 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (7 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (6 players) || MicroBusCity.com (6 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (5 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (4 players) || Wild (1 more message)
03:35 <Loor> #more
03:35 <armabot> Loor: West =Sumo= (4 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (3 players) || Cambridge School of Weston (3 players) || ~=ReN.Renegades Clan Server (3 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (2 players)
03:35 <Loor> arg!
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04:14 <SuPeRTaRD> hi
04:15 <mkzelda> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6183105.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=zdnn
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04:17 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 77.7°F (9:14 PM CDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.07 in 984.3 hPa (Rising).
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04:22 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
04:22 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 71.2°F (10:22 PM EDT on May 11, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
04:28 <SuPeRTaRD> i'm on #revolt if anyone needs me.. we have the sourcecode to that game.. re-volt by acclaim circa 99
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04:28 <mkzelda> whoa, the rc cars?
04:29 <mkzelda> I loved that game
04:30 <mkzelda> i havent played that since 2000
04:44 <mkzelda> :::
04:45 <mkzelda> sup homie
04:45 <mkzelda> not for me
04:46 <mkzelda> im terrible at strategy games
05:24 <ghableska> ahh, Defcon is fun
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05:28 <ghableska> #night
05:28 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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08:09 <philippeqc> hi!
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09:05 <kidanger> Hi
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09:10 <kidanger> How do a Map Rotation ?
09:18 <kidanger> need patch the game ? the server ? Where put: MAP_ROTATION ?
09:27 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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09:49 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
09:49 <armabot> DrJoeTron: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cage” at the moment, sorry.
09:49 <DrJoeTron> ass hole
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09:59 <kidanger> How do a Map Rotation ?
09:59 <digitx> hi
09:59 <kidanger> need patch the game ? the server ? Where put: MAP_ROTATION ?
10:00 <MrBougo> rofl DrJoeTron
10:00 <digitx> slt bug
10:00 <digitx> i
10:00 <DrJoeTron> huh?
10:00 <kidanger> digitx: [505] Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
10:01 <MrBougo> <DrJoeTron> ass hole
10:01 <MrBougo> kidanger, your nick isnt registered
10:01 <kidanger> I know
10:02 <kidanger> so ?
10:02 <MrBougo> you cant send private msgs
10:02 <kidanger> I know
10:02 <kidanger> lol
10:02 <digitx> /msg nickserv register pass email
10:02 <digitx> or dunno :)
10:02 <philippeqc> kidanger: check the wiki for map_rotation
10:02 <kidanger> Yes but after ...
10:03 <philippeqc> search for map_rotation. The first link will explain.
10:06 <kidanger> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Map/Config_Rotation ?
10:06 <philippeqc> yes
10:06 <kidanger> need patch the game ? the server ? Where put: MAP_ROTATION ?
10:07 <kidanger> don't work in autoexec.cfg
10:07 <philippeqc> humm, I'm no specialist of the config files, but try it on your server at the command prompt
10:07 <philippeqc> for started
10:07 <philippeqc> for starters
10:08 <kidanger> #t en fr prompt
10:08 <armabot> kidanger: message de sollicitation
10:09 <kidanger> [0] Command MAP_ROTATION unknown.
10:09 <philippeqc> what version are you using?
10:09 <philippeqc> kidanger: tu prefere parler en francais?
10:09 <kidanger> 2.8.2 i think
10:10 <kidanger> oui
10:10 <philippeqc> oki
10:10 <kidanger> ^^
10:10 <philippeqc> je ne sais pas si je peux compiler la version 0.2.8.2. Laisse moi voir.
10:10 <kidanger> Moi je ne sais pas encore compiler ...
10:12 <philippeqc> c'est pas un prob pour toi. C'est juste que je suis sous linux et que j'ai jamais appris comment installer une version pre-compile ici. J'ai toujours le nez dans le code, alors j'en ais jamais eu besoin. Mais ce n'est pas un cas regulier
10:12 <kidanger> ok^^
10:13 <philippeqc> je pense que je peux compiler... ca va prendre une couple de minute
10:14 <kidanger> ok et après ?
10:14 <philippeqc> hummm, juste en relisant la premiere ligne sur le wiki, je pense pas que ca soit possible sur 0.2.8.2
10:14 <philippeqc> et apres, je vais avoir un serveur de la meme version que toi, et je vais etre capable d'essayer de mon cote.
10:15 <kidanger> ha ok
10:16 <kidanger> Mais moi, ce n'ai pas une version avec les sources
10:16 <philippeqc> tu n'en as pas besoin
10:16 <kidanger> hmm
10:16 <philippeqc> c'est plutot que moi j'ai pas de version sans les sources. Mais une fois compile, c'est la meme chose
10:17 <philippeqc> ok, c'est compile!
10:17 <philippeqc> ok, j'ai la meme erreur que toi
10:17 <kidanger> mince
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10:19 <kidanger> dsl jdoi partir
10:20 <philippeqc> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2205&start=0
10:20 <philippeqc> REGARDE CA
10:21 <philippeqc> ou demande directement a tank_program
10:21 <kidanger> ba la jcomprend pas tout
10:22 <kidanger> enfin c'est anglais quoi !
10:22 <philippeqc> demande a tank_program pour de l'aide
10:22 <philippeqc> c'est lui qui a fait ca
10:23 <kidanger> Oui mais sur le forum ( le lien ) jcomprend pas
10:24 <philippeqc> Demande a tank a partir de quelle version c'est accessible
10:26 <philippeqc> il a fait ce changement le 5 aout 2005. 0.2.8.2 existe depuis le 29 mai 2006. Ca devrait etre accessible. pose une question generale a propos de ca
10:26 <philippeqc> et pointe sur la page du wiki.
10:26 <philippeqc> ca peut etre un changement de syntaxe.
10:30 <philippeqc> afk
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10:43 <kidanger> Et avec une autre version ?
10:47 <kidanger> philippeqc:
10:47 <kidanger> p
10:47 <kidanger> Et avec une autre version ?
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11:03 <philippeqc> kidanger: je mange!
11:04 <philippeqc> note que je suis away
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11:08 <kidanger> oops dsl !
11:15 <kidanger> philippeqc: ça marche avec la version 0.3.0 !
11:15 <kidanger> merci !
11:17 <digitx> na
11:17 <digitx> salut bugi :)
11:17 <digitx> so, comment va tu ? :P
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11:45 <MrBougo> bye
11:45 <digitx> cu
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12:35 <epsy> hi
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12:59 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.0.9.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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14:10 <ghableska> #weather 50266
14:10 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.2°F (7:10 AM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Rising).
14:11 <_Sticky_> ghableska: do you just wait for me to do that?
14:11 <ghableska> no...I just joined the channel right before you did :p
14:12 <_Sticky_> there probably should be support groups for people with a cumpulsion to check its still not raining :)
14:12 <_Sticky_> ...every few min
14:13 <ghableska> haha
14:13 <ghableska> I think it's supposed to rain today
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14:39 <MrBougo> helo
14:39 <MrBougo> slow pc's are boooooring
14:40 <spidey> lol
14:41 <spidey> slow pc's are good server's :p
14:41 <MrBougo> haha
14:41 <MrBougo> maybe
14:41 <MrBougo> but mine isnt a server
14:43 <MrBougo> http://www.explosm.net/comics/898/
14:43 <MrBougo> haha
15:00 <MrBougo> bye
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17:16 <ghableska> #tea
17:16 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): bam, KeY_3113, KinkyReggae.mp3, Monkey, Puuquie, [nrx], ~|DS|~ judders
17:21 <MrBougo> #ghab
17:36 <ghableska> :p
17:41 <MrBougo> ...
17:41 <MrBougo> so you removed it
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18:21 <ToddAway> #weather 755023
18:21 <ToddAway> bah
18:21 <armabot> ToddAway: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
18:22 <ToddAway> #weather 75023
18:22 <armabot> ToddAway: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 81.7°F (11:22 AM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.38 in 994.8 hPa (Steady).
18:36 <ToddAway> #weather A1B2C3
18:36 <armabot> ToddAway: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "A1B2C3".
18:36 <ToddAway> #weather H5H5H5
18:36 <armabot> ToddAway: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "H5H5H5".
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18:49 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
18:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Avery Ranch, Austin, Texas is 85.3°F (11:49 AM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising).
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18:53 <digitx> hi :)
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19:37 <ghableska> #weather 50266
19:37 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 72.7°F (12:35 PM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.16 in 987.4 hPa (Rising).
19:41 <Vanhayes> #lastseen zop
19:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Zop has last been seen on Sumo Bar 1 minutes ago.
19:41 <Vanhayes> hmm
19:42 <ghableska> o_O
19:42 <ghableska> "The" Zop?
19:43 <Vanhayes> maybe
19:44 <Vanhayes> could just be someone who read the thread and wants attention though
19:44 <DrJoeTron> oh my god
19:44 <DrJoeTron> Zop is back!?
19:44 <DrJoeTron> me first! i want to be inline to stroke his penis
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20:24 <MrBougo> helo
20:32 <Vanhayes> hi
20:32 <Vanhayes> #tea
20:32 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): -=Sony~SpliNg~, D:U:R:K:A, escape, G:5, JJBean, meteor[*=--], Radian, Vanhayes, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¥ FoFo, °¯Gantz, °¯redice
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20:38 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Greets all!
20:39 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr you here?
20:40 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Can we go private a moment?
20:41 <Rebel_Eclipsed> ok thanks
20:54 * Rebel_Eclipsed grabs another magazine from the waiting room XD
20:54 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (8 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (5 players) || Palatinum's Place (5 players) || (*L2K*)Clan Server (4 players) || SPACEZONE III (4 players) || Stormcrow's Tower (3 players) || The (1 more message)
20:59 -!- ToddAway is now known as GodTodd
20:59 * GodTodd notes that luke-jr's "1 min" very rarely means "one minute".
21:00 <Rebel_Eclipsed> He operates on Arma Standard time then... which is usually a match and a half behind real time.
21:00 <ghableska> #g 1 minute in centuries
21:00 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:00 <ghableska> #g 27*6
21:00 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:00 <ghableska> !!
21:01 <GodTodd> #math calc 1 min in centuries
21:01 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
21:01 <GodTodd> heh
21:01 <ghableska> one minute = 1.90132588 × 10-8 centuries
21:01 <ghableska> in case anyone wants to know...
21:01 * GodTodd misses #g.
21:01 * ghableska does too
21:02 <Vanhayes> #g 1 + 1
21:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:02 <ghableska> lol
21:02 <GodTodd> Rebel_Eclipsed: nah...luke operates on luke-jr standard time which is "whenever it's convenient for me, i'll answer you".
21:02 <Rebel_Eclipsed> LOL
21:03 <Vanhayes> what happened to #g?
21:03 <GodTodd> it's broken
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21:05 <kamp> DrJoeTron: yo
21:05 <kamp> metroid prime hunters is awesome
21:05 <DrJoeTron> awesome at sucking
21:05 <DrJoeTron> you got it online yet?
21:05 <DrJoeTron> i'd play it if yes
21:06 <kamp> nope not yet
21:06 <kamp> but it's a lot of fun man
21:06 <kamp> i'm ripping it up with the stylus
21:06 <DrJoeTron> the screen? :D
21:06 <kamp> :)
21:06 <DrJoeTron> thats what happened to one of mine
21:06 <kamp> nope
21:06 <kamp> well that's because you're too intense
21:07 <kamp> hey are you in shrunk?
21:07 <DrJoeTron> no why
21:07 <kamp> i wanted to play there
21:07 <kamp> was wondering if you could kick someone off :)
21:07 <kamp> why else? :)
21:08 <kamp> but yea
21:08 <GodTodd> #google "testing"
21:08 <kamp> i'm thinking of getting pokemon diamond or pearl
21:08 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.09 seconds: Testing Foundations - Brian Marick: <http://www.testing.com/>; Software testing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_testing>; Test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test>; Test .com Web Based Testing Software: <http://www.test.com/>; Debian -- Debian “lenny” Release Information: (2 more messages)
21:08 <GodTodd> hmmm
21:08 <DrJoeTron> awesome
21:08 <kamp> depending on whether I can get a good deal on it
21:08 <kamp> what happened to all the good servers...
21:08 <kamp> oh yea
21:08 <kamp> they never existed
21:08 <kamp> damn it
21:08 <DrJoeTron> my servers rock you dick :(
21:09 <kamp> maybe if people would play on them
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21:09 <DrJoeTron> make that happen
21:09 <DrJoeTron> go in there
21:09 <GodTodd> #serverinfo cage
21:09 <armabot> GodTodd: The Lobster Cage: No online players.
21:09 <GodTodd> #serverinfo tub
21:09 <kamp> i was
21:09 <armabot> GodTodd: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
21:09 <kamp> and the guy left
21:10 <DrJoeTron> build up a community there then
21:10 <DrJoeTron> because thats what it needs
21:11 <GodTodd> #google stats
21:11 <armabot> GodTodd: This google module has made 1608 searches total; 3 in the past 24 hours. Google has spent 335.25 seconds searching for me.
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21:11 <GodTodd> #google calc 1+1
21:11 <armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:11 <GodTodd> grrr
21:12 <GodTodd> #math calc 1+1
21:12 <armabot> GodTodd: 2
21:12 <GodTodd> i like the other tho :(
21:12 <Rebel_Eclipsed> #math calc 1+1-3
21:12 <armabot> Rebel_Eclipsed: -1
21:12 <Rebel_Eclipsed> cool
21:13 <GodTodd> #math calc speed of light - the answer to life the universe and everything
21:13 <armabot> GodTodd: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
21:13 <kamp> build up a community :)
21:13 <GodTodd> piece of shit calculator ;)
21:13 <Rebel_Eclipsed> 42
21:13 <DrJoeTron> i did that once before :)
21:13 <DrJoeTron> i dont have time for it atm
21:13 <GodTodd> Rebel_Eclipsed: speed of light is 84?
21:13 <kamp> yea but you have to put up with a bunch of idiots
21:13 <kamp> GodTodd: :)
21:13 <DrJoeTron> i do ok with you :)
21:13 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Answer to life is 42
21:14 <GodTodd> right...
21:14 <DrJoeTron> thats the answer to life...
21:14 <DrJoeTron> not speed of light
21:14 <kamp> yea and you've got the patience of a saint
21:14 <GodTodd> but my equation took that away from the speed of light
21:14 <Rebel_Eclipsed> calc sucks then
21:16 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Ok I'm off to play some Tron... later
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21:17 <DrJoeTron> i havent played video games lately
21:18 <kamp> heh, i've been going crazy over metroid and mariokart
21:18 <kamp> too much fun, man
21:18 <DrJoeTron> metroid has Voip :d
21:18 <kamp> so does pokemon :)
21:18 <kamp> i hope i can find it for something under 20
21:18 <DrJoeTron> yup :)
21:18 <DrJoeTron> fat chance
21:18 <kamp> yea
21:18 <kamp> maybe amazon
21:19 <DrJoeTron> its only been out for like 3 weeks
21:19 <kamp> so?
21:19 <kamp> what's pokemon ranger?
21:20 <kamp> actually
21:20 <kamp> i might go out and buy pokemon
21:20 <DrJoeTron> dont bother
21:20 <kamp> but then i need to try and ebat the games I have before buying any others
21:20 <DrJoeTron> get diamond or pearl
21:20 <kamp> yea i know
21:20 <DrJoeTron> i bought diamond
21:21 <kamp> i'll get pearl :P
21:21 <kamp> dare to be different
21:21 <DrJoeTron> hah
21:21 <DrJoeTron> too many ponyta in the game
21:22 <kamp> hear there's 400 pokemon to go crazy for now
21:22 <DrJoeTron> you can only catch 150 in game
21:22 <kamp> ?
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21:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah
21:23 <DrJoeTron> lame huh
21:23 <kamp> why would there be a limit?
21:23 <DrJoeTron> they want you to buy the gba games
21:23 <kamp> whatever happened to gotta catch em all?
21:23 <DrJoeTron> or trade with someone who has the gba games
21:23 <kamp> ew
21:24 <kamp> that's kind of lame though, where do the other 100 that aren't covered?
21:24 <kamp> i mean, 150 per game, that's only 300 lil monsters
21:25 <kamp> the cheapest i can get is 26.99 online :(
21:25 <DrJoeTron> 150 with diamond and pearl
21:25 <DrJoeTron> then add the gba game
21:25 <DrJoeTron> s.
21:25 <kamp> oh
21:25 <kamp> wow
21:25 <DrJoeTron> which work with it
21:25 <kamp> they're bastards
21:25 <DrJoeTron> tell me about it
21:25 <kamp> that reminds me, I should try and sell my GBA
21:25 <kamp> it's the old old one though :/
21:26 <kamp> and the speakers don't work anymore
21:26 <kamp> maybe I can get ten or twenty off it
21:26 <DrJoeTron> 8 bucks for it
21:26 <DrJoeTron> :d
21:26 <DrJoeTron> nah mang
21:26 <kamp> mang?
21:26 <kamp> you know people don't talk like that in chicago
21:27 <kamp> :P
21:27 <DrJoeTron> I'm suburbs :p
21:27 <kamp> even worse
21:27 <kamp> oh hey, did i tell you, fonkay found me on facebook
21:27 <DrJoeTron> yes
21:27 <kamp> weird, I was wondering who the hell I knew from canada
21:27 <kamp> then I saw that it said she was learning cabinetmaking
21:28 <kamp> all made sense
21:28 <DrJoeTron> ARMAGETRON IS GETTING INVOLVED IN YOUR LIFE
21:31 <kamp> weird huh?
21:31 <DrJoeTron> i try to keep the internet and personal life seperate
21:32 <kamp> i don't realy care all that much
21:32 <kamp> not many people I know online that are in my area
21:35 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: is that why you're such a gay dick on here? :P
21:35 <kamp> probably
21:35 <DrJoeTron> :3
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21:40 <kamp> :3 ???
21:40 <kamp> what the hell is that?
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21:47 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (18/32): -=USM=- Joko, BamBoy, CHAMP, Ðúrkå -=}ID< Tå, G5, gabor, hoop, InfecteD, Oooooo, Sam Bull, Zer0, [nrx], ~ X ~, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ~|DS|~zion, ¦x¦ Lazer, ¦×¥ Speed, °°Lanta
21:50 <Vanhayes> # luke-jr
21:58 <GodTodd> being owned by luke-jr, now *there* would be a sad existence
21:58 <kamp> hmm
21:58 <kamp> couldn't get much lower
21:59 <GodTodd> since luke-jr doesn't even own a toothbrush
21:59 <GodTodd> i only know what your wife tells me
21:59 <GodTodd> :D
22:00 <digitx> #damn luke-jr
22:00 <digitx> ruff
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22:12 <Vanhayes> #google inkscape
22:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.09 seconds: Inkscape . Draw Freely.: <http://www.inkscape.org/>; Inkscape . Draw Freely.: <http://www.inkscape.org/?lang=de>; Inkscape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inkscape>; SourceForge.net: Inkscape: <http://sourceforge.net/projects/inkscape/>; SourceForge.net: Files: (2 more messages)
22:20 <DrJoeTron> i cant believe I'm reinstalling tron2.0
22:23 <GodTodd> me neither.
22:23 <GodTodd> luser
22:24 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTro@adsl-76-215-12-6.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Bye."]
22:25 <Vanhayes> wow, you chased him away with "luser" Youd think it'd take more
22:25 <GodTodd> it's cuz he knows i own his sorry azz.
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22:30 <GodTodd> luser
22:30 <GodTodd> luser
22:30 <GodTodd> luser
22:30 <GodTodd> luser
22:30 <GodTodd> luser
22:32 <DrJoeTron> you know what GodTodd
22:32 <DrJoeTron> you keep on campaignin'
22:32 <DrJoeTron> you're gonna get elected
22:34 <GodTodd> to king of the world?
22:41 <digitx> :)
22:41 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@p54B4D06F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
22:44 <DrJoeTron> to punch in the face man
22:45 <GodTodd> wow...you think that up all by yourself
22:52 <DrJoeTron> you give me too much credit
22:52 <DrJoeTron> i actually asked someone in another channel about what i should say
22:52 <GodTodd> i thought so
22:52 <GodTodd> :D
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23:24 <akira_> greetings from misery doc
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23:30 <DrJoeTron> wha?
23:30 <DrJoeTron> akira_ :/ whachu mean
23:33 <akira_> well
23:33 <akira_> as i said
23:33 <akira_> greetings from *misery*
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Log from 2007-05-13:
--- Day changed Sun May 13 2007
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> akira = Misery?
00:00 * Lucifer_arma is happy, he just finished changing all remaining incandescent light bulbs for compact fluorescents in his house
00:07 -!- P4|away is now known as P4
00:08 <P4> hi :)
00:08 <P4> my bike is fine now! :D
00:08 <P4> (irl)
00:08 <P4> #sty
00:08 <armabot> P4: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: No online players.
00:09 <P4> #ctwf
00:09 <armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): %&kadab&%AdRi, (god), Chedu, darko, dogman, Emo From Rome, niro, Rogue, Schotti, Teppich, TigerShark, tom, \|/ Ston3d
00:09 -!- Durka [n=Durka@cpe-76-167-238-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
00:10 <Durka> Van-hayes: /me is here
00:11 <Durka> #hello
00:11 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: /* || * For moronic filesystems that do not allow holes in file. || * We may have to extend the file. || */ || linux-2.4.0-test2/fs/buffer.c
00:11 <Van-hayes> Durka: sent
00:11 <Durka> meh, I just fixed the email on my forums
00:12 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-182-238.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
00:12 <Durka> got like 10000 emails
00:12 <Durka> because of emails that dont work :(
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle-8/Challenge_Board&curid=3151&diff=18188&oldid=18182
00:12 <Durka> anyways, lemme check it out
00:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 82.9°F (5:10 PM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.10 in 985.3 hPa (Rising).
00:12 <ghableska> -_-
00:13 <Durka> #weather 90049
00:13 <armabot> Durka: The current temperature in Santa Monica, California is 64.4°F (2:51 PM PDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
00:13 <Durka> ...
00:13 <ghableska> wtf
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
00:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 87.1°F (5:13 PM CDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
00:13 <ghableska> :)
00:13 <Durka> its like 80 today
00:13 <Van-hayes> #weather Saint John
00:13 <armabot> Van-hayes: Temperature: 48°F / 9°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Low plus 4.; Sunday - A mix of sun and cloud. Showers beginning early in the afternoon. High 13. UV index 6 or high. Sunday night..showers ending in the evening then clearing. Low zero.; (1 more message)
00:13 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: not working
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like 90 here
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: what's not working?
00:13 <Van-hayes> the wiki
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> grr, wiki?
00:14 <Van-hayes> its not loading
00:14 <Van-hayes> #more
00:14 <armabot> Van-hayes: Monday - Sunny. High 16.;
00:14 <Lucifer_arma> can anybody explain why an outlet in the back of the house would be on the same circuit as an outlet in the front of the house?
00:14 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
00:14 * Lucifer_arma cut power to that outlet a little while ago to replace it, and it apparently shut down the dsl modem on the other side of the house
00:15 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 68.4°F (6:14 PM EDT on May 12, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
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00:15 <Durka> mkzelda: you're alive?
00:15 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: is it on the same wall?
00:15 <Durka> damn, thought i killed you
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: nope, different walls
00:15 <mkzelda> why do you ask that every time?
00:15 <GodTodd> probably the same reason that my downstairs bathroom is on two circuits :/
00:15 <Durka> Van-hayes: I gotta run, but I'll take a look at it later
00:15 <Van-hayes> ok
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00:15 <mkzelda> haha
00:16 <Van-hayes> Lucifer_arma: probably easier, quicker, or cheaper to do it that way then to do it another
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> the whole front of my house is split nearly randomly into about 4 circuits that each connect to other parts of the house
00:16 <mkzelda> i lived in an apt that had 3 major circuits but every room was had half on one and half on the other
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> I don't mind that at all, beats the hell out of the last house where we had 90% of the house on one circuit, and then 6 circuits for the rest
00:16 <mkzelda> circuit1 - ROOM1 - circuit2 - ROOM2 - circuit3 - ROOM3 - circuit1
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I should be done with electrical work now. I got the light fixture and two switches changed, and the one outlet in my son's room
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> house is almost up to 100% again, just need shower curtains (I fixed the master shower, too, but tht only required cutting water, not power)
00:18 <mkzelda> whenever the maintenance guy would work on things in that apt complex he knew it was such a mess he didnt bother w/ the fuse box
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> er, there's still one light fixture that doesn't work. Fluorescent, I think it needs new starters, or whatever the fuck those things are called
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> probably better to just replace it
00:19 <mkzelda> he'd just run the lead into the ground and make the breaker trip
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> haha
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00:19 <Lucifer_arma> awhile back I went out with a sharpie and tested most of the breakers and labeled them, but the labels aren't terribly good
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> I'll probably wind up drawing a schematic some day
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, and the bulb in the attic needs replacing still
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> which will finish off my stock of compact fluorescent bulbs :)
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> (took 18 in the end to do the whole house)
00:21 <mkzelda> i was fortunate to have a month layover b4 i moved into my house, i wired ever room w/ cat6 & cable, and put in ceiling fans in every room
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> man, I love ceiling fans, but I'm starting to hate them
00:22 <mkzelda> the ceiling fans were the bitch, there wasnt an existing box in the ceiling
00:22 <mkzelda> had to fishtape wires down to the switches from the attic
00:24 <mkzelda> first fan took like 4 hours, next about 2, then the last about 45 mins
00:24 <mkzelda> u get much faster
00:24 <mkzelda> both through experience, and lack of quality
00:25 <mkzelda> which is probably the reason your house has crazy circuits
00:48 <akira_> no lucifer
00:48 <akira_> just met misery in shrunk
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01:03 <ghableska> hi Lucifer's
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03:37 <Lucifer_arma> can anybody reach the wiki right now?
03:37 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, looks to be working again
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04:04 <spidey> anyone up for civ tonight?
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04:19 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo tub
04:19 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Tub(TEST): Players (2/6): Dr Joe Tron, Fonkay
04:19 <DrJoeTron> :D
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05:41 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
05:41 <armabot> pong
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05:56 <DrJoeTron> ping
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07:22 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
07:22 <armabot> pong
07:56 <Your_mom_arma> the channel has been awfully quite recently
07:57 <DrJoeTron> i can fix that
07:58 <Your_mom_arma> make it so
07:58 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:58 <DrJoeTron> so
07:58 <DrJoeTron> i've been thinking about buying paper mario
07:58 <DrJoeTron> super paper mario
08:00 <DrJoeTron> though my friend has it
08:00 <DrJoeTron> and i can just barrow it
08:02 <Your_mom_arma> fair enough
08:14 <DrJoeTron> but instead I'm using the wii for watching tv now
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'm painting my dining room
08:42 <DrJoeTron> huh
08:42 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
08:42 <DrJoeTron> you see this?
08:43 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Your
08:43 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Your Mom's House: Players (4/16): Blackbird, DryGrain, MOD~>AfRoMaN~>, NoobyNuberton
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08:47 <Goomba> hallo
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08:52 <Your_mom_arma> heh
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10:04 <Lucifer_arma> there, dining room's done
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> now the wallpaper looks like crap next to the freshly painted wall underneath it :/
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10:08 <epsy> hi
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10:17 <digitx> ,
10:17 <digitx>
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10:51 <philippeqc> morning all!
10:52 <digitx> morning
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11:24 <P4> #armaservers
11:24 <armabot> P4: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Wild West =Hold The Flag= ~Multi~Mode~ (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || Palatinum's Place (5 players) || SPACEZONE III (5 players) || ~|FirstStrike|~ . . (2 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (1 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (1 players) || NO LAG TEAM SERVER!!! (1 players) || SPACEZONE [VERY HIGH (1 more message)
11:24 <P4> #more
11:24 <armabot> P4: SPEED!!] (1 players) || Cambridge School of Weston (1 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (1 players) || MicroBusCity.com (0 players) || (*L2K*)Clan Server (0 players) || Licanna Server (0 players)
11:24 <philippeqc> hi digitx
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11:46 <P4> I got an error ERROR: Cannot find resource temporary file! Perhaps the resource submission has already been completed? Perhaps your resource file is way too big? If not, please try again. If the problem persists, or if you want to add a way-too-big resource, contact Luke-Jr here http://beta.armagetronad.net/add-resource/upload.suid-php. The map file is http://p4ziom.dyndns.tv/svg2aamap-test.aamap.xml
11:58 <philippeqc> svg!
11:59 <philippeqc> maybe then it IS a too big file
11:59 <philippeqc> how does it perform on your own client?
11:59 <philippeqc> P4: ^^
12:00 <P4> in here http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/maptransform.py/maptransform the preview is my last used map :| (spirals) while on my map there's no spiral
12:00 <P4> i haven't tried it yet
12:00 <P4> mapfile is 50kB
12:00 <philippeqc> ouch, sounds big!
12:01 <philippeqc> checking your preview now
12:01 <P4> yea it's the biggest file in my res
12:01 <P4> http://p4ziom.dyndns.tv/svg2aamap-test.aamap.xml <=- this is the original file, there's some comment files (<--) can i remove it?
12:01 <P4> i don't know anything abbobut xml technology especially in aamap file ;P
12:02 <philippeqc> I cant access your preview.
12:02 <P4> where? in wrtl's site it's only a tool
12:02 <philippeqc> comments are comments, ie: have no impact beside carrying info for the persons who read the raw xml file
12:02 <P4> my map is here http://p4ziom.dyndns.tv/svg2aamap-test.aamap.xml
12:03 <P4> i mean can i remove <!-- g id="Warstwa 1" stack=SVG2AAMap::MatrixStack --> line
12:03 <P4> and the next <!-- path d="... one
12:05 <philippeqc> 51262 bytes with comments, 45440 without
12:05 <philippeqc> yes you can remove them
12:05 <P4> so much...
12:06 <philippeqc> #g 51262 - 45440
12:06 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:06 <philippeqc> #g 51262-45440
12:06 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:06 <philippeqc> #g 51262-45440=
12:06 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:06 <P4> google calc cant work
12:06 <philippeqc> #g 1 + 2
12:06 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
12:08 <philippeqc> 5822 bytes of comments
12:09 <philippeqc> but still 45k! Really do try it on your own client
12:12 <philippeqc> that will be a mean performance killer, even for people with recent hardware!
12:12 <philippeqc> o and you need some spawn points too!
12:13 * philippeqc is going to eat
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12:44 <wrtlprnft> #google asdf
12:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.12 seconds: asdf: <http://www.asdf.com/>; What is asdf ?: <http://www.asdf.com/whatisasdf.html>; Association Of Synchronous Data Formats: <http://www.asdf.org/>; Asdf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asdf>; CLiki : asdf: <http://www.cliki.net/asdf>; CLiki : ASDF -Install: <http://www.cliki.net/ASDF-Install>; ASDF - A Simple DVD (1 more message)
12:45 <wrtlprnft> the performance isn't too bad if you make your coordinates use 500 digits of π
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13:32 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ???
13:46 <wrtlprnft> well
13:47 <wrtlprnft> 45 KB of walls with 500 digits per number makes approximately 22 wall points
13:47 <wrtlprnft> not all that much
13:47 <philippeqc> use 500 digits of pi
13:48 * wrtlprnft is talking about the precision of coordinates
13:48 <wrtlprnft> filling 45KB with points like
13:48 <philippeqc> why would a game require more than 4 digits
13:48 <wrtlprnft> <Point x="1.2" y="3.4" />
13:49 <wrtlprnft> will result in a slower map that filling 45KB with points like
13:49 <philippeqc> 1.0000000 (repeat 480 times) 000000000
13:49 <wrtlprnft> exactly
13:50 <philippeqc> what ever you did last night, you need to stop that... really screwed up your brain.
13:50 <philippeqc> you should pick up healthier hobbies than what ever you've done yesterday night...
13:51 * wrtlprnft is currently trying to learn how to program his TI-94+ using assembly
13:51 <philippeqc> like masturbation, shooting up heroin up your veins, playing world of warcraft, what ever, but stop what ever you where doing.
13:52 <philippeqc> learning to code asm on TI-94+.... I rest my case!
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13:53 <wrtlprnft> so, am i allowed to continue?
13:54 <philippeqc> Why, on the name of all that could be considered holy, would you want to learn TI-94 asm?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> because ti-basic is waay too slow to program a frozen-bubble game with multiplayer support?
13:56 <philippeqc> You cant justify a bad decision with a worse argumentation.
13:56 <ackrite> hi
13:56 <digitx> hi, merre vagy ? :P
13:57 <digitx> mondázd már ide az ip -t :D
13:57 <ackrite> hat itt :D
13:57 <ackrite> whoisolj
13:57 <wrtlprnft> well, and if i can program frozen-bubble i can make a tron game next
13:57 <digitx> ja megvan
13:57 <wrtlprnft> with multiplayer support on two calculators connected with a link cable
13:58 <philippeqc> but why ti-94?
13:58 <philippeqc> your desktop is too powerfull for you or what?
13:58 <wrtlprnft> well
13:58 <wrtlprnft> i can't take my desktop to school
13:58 <philippeqc> but your ti-94?
13:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah
13:59 <wrtlprnft> also, both tron and frozen-bubble exist for my desktop
13:59 <wrtlprnft> so there would be no point in making a new clone
13:59 <philippeqc> does it have some sort of outside communication beside an ir port?
13:59 <ackrite> :D
13:59 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't have an ir port
14:00 <wrtlprnft> but an usb port and a link cable to connect to other calculators
14:00 <philippeqc> wait, are we talking about a calculator or about the computer-as-in-commodore TI?
14:01 <philippeqc> http://users.knoware.nl/users/stuurmn/ti94a.htm
14:01 <wrtlprnft> calculator
14:02 <philippeqc> I didnt see the gain on carrying that (see link) to school
14:02 <wrtlprnft> heh
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14:03 <ddigitxx> :D
14:03 <ddigitxx> test
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14:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: you are in germany!!! not in backward-land (USA), why not just get yourself a laptop
14:04 * wrtlprnft is currently chatting with you using a laptop
14:04 <wrtlprnft> but it's a bit bulky and would be too obvious
14:05 <wrtlprnft> a calculator looks innocent enough
14:06 <philippeqc> ;)
14:06 <wrtlprnft> also, looking at ASM you see the value of C++
14:07 <philippeqc> You are supposed to be smart enough to accept and assimilate that notion without needing to actually LEARN asm.
14:08 <philippeqc> otherwise it gets to be a bit "slamming a shuffle on my head really makes me appreciate the value of not doing it"
14:08 <wrtlprnft> well, asm is more stupid than i thought
14:08 <arctanx> heh
14:09 <arctanx> I haven't tried to do asm on a complex cpu
14:09 <arctanx> only on a PIC 16F84
14:09 <arctanx> but it's a different way of thinking from a high-level language like C
14:09 <arctanx> it's about the same size step as from C to haskell, just down instead of up
14:10 <philippeqc> last time I did asm was at uni! one course on 286 pc's, and then one on an embedded system using an amiga cpu or something like taht
14:10 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: also, i realize that asm >> ti-basic in a lot of aspects
14:10 <wrtlprnft> ti-basic can't even do user-defined functions
14:10 <philippeqc> o
14:10 <arctanx> well in asm you use goto
14:10 <arctanx> :P
14:10 <wrtlprnft> in asm you can get reusable functions
14:10 <wrtlprnft> with call and ret
14:11 <arctanx> not quite so much choice when it comes to parameters though
14:11 <wrtlprnft> better than nothing
14:11 <wrtlprnft> besides, you can push and pop pairs of registers
14:16 <digitx> .
14:16 * philippeqc realises it is just one of those "I must do x for no other reasons than my hands want it"
14:17 <wrtlprnft> see, i could make a tron clone for my calculator, then distribute it and advertise arma
14:17 <philippeqc> I do have a fully functioning magic wand after all.
14:19 <philippeqc> stop making excuses! You do it because you have an itch to do it. There is no other value beside that, how hard you try to justify it. ;)
14:20 <wrtlprnft> i could write a brainfuck interpreter, then write the actual program in bf
14:27 <philippeqc> only if project completion isnt a goal of your project.
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15:00 <wrtlprnft> wow, this calculator stores floating point numbers in decimal!
15:04 <philippeqc> FINALLY!
15:05 <philippeqc> the client of my branch works with svn version 6289, but not with 6325.
15:06 <philippeqc> there is only version 6324 in between of them, and 6325 contain things like missing commas. So it can all be seen as a single commit, and the possible source of my problem
15:06 <wrtlprnft> :)
15:07 <philippeqc> Trouble is, I've try to put those changes on my branch, but the client still fails on post 6325 servers from trunk
15:10 <philippeqc> maybe i patched it wrong.
15:10 <philippeqc> anyway, i'm taking a break now
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15:34 <digitx> :)
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15:38 <digitx> hi
15:38 <digitx> :)
15:38 <digitx> brb
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15:39 <digitx> re
15:39 <digitx> :)
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15:45 <digitx_> au
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15:46 <digitx_> hm
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15:54 <digitx> na
15:54 <digitx> :D
15:55 <digitx> 01110100 01100101 01110011 01110100
15:55 <digitx> 01100010 01100001 01111010 01100101 01100101 01100101
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16:05 <ghableska> wb again
16:08 <philippeqc> back
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16:16 <ghableska_> -_-
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16:18 <digitx> re
16:18 <digitx> :D
16:18 <digitx_> .
16:18 <digitx> .
16:18 <digitx> -
16:18 <digitx> ruff :D lag
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16:21 <ghableska_> heh
16:21 <digitx> na
16:21 <digitx_> .
16:21 <digitx_> -
16:21 <digitx_> ,
16:21 <digitx_> .
16:21 <digitx> :)
16:21 <ghableska_> digitx: and I thought Vanhayes had a bad connection
16:21 <digitx> .
16:21 <digitx> -
16:21 <digitx> ,
16:21 <digitx_> hmmmm
16:21 <digitx_> .
16:21 <digitx_> .
16:21 <digitx_> ..
16:21 <digitx> .
16:21 <digitx> .
16:21 <digitx> .
16:21 <digitx> .
16:21 <digitx_> .
16:22 <digitx> few
16:22 <digitx> wfwe
16:22 <digitx> w.
16:22 <digitx> ..
16:22 <GodTodd> ... --- ...
16:22 <ghableska_> ---...---
16:22 <ghableska_> SOS?
16:23 <GodTodd> oso?
16:23 <ghableska_> meh
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16:25 <digitx> fejwifjwefwe
16:25 <digitx> fwefwe
16:25 <digitx> 1
16:25 <digitx> 2
16:25 <digitx> 3
16:25 <digitx> 4
16:25 <digitx> naa good :)
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16:38 <digitx> ----
16:38 <digitx> -
16:38 <digitx> -
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16:45 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: strange, applying that difference to my branch doesnt change the problem.
16:46 <MrBougo> bye
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16:48 <digitx> cool
16:48 <digitx> xD
16:48 <digitx> 1
16:48 <digitx> 2
16:49 <digitx> hm
16:49 <digitx> 01110000 01110010 01101111 01100010 01100001
16:49 <digitx> 01101000 01100101 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110101 01100100 01101111 01101011 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 01100010 01100001 01101110 00100000 01101001 01110010 01101110 01101001 00100000 01100111 01100101 01100011
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16:55 <digitx> :)
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17:12 <digitx> . . .
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17:35 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no clue… maybe there's two nonconsecutive changes of which each is sufficient to break it?
17:35 <philippeqc> the version just before works, and the version just after doesnt. As you say, there could be some foundation in a previous version on the trunk
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17:37 <wrtlprnft> does the version after the version just after work if you revert the commit that brakes it?
17:37 <wrtlprnft> and so on
17:38 <philippeqc> that I havent tried.
17:39 <philippeqc> just some details: last working version: 6289. 2 version after that on the trunk is 6325. 6325 doesnt work
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17:40 <philippeqc> 6324 is the version in between. 6325 is there to fix some missing } and ; in 6324, so I consider them as a single commit.
17:40 <philippeqc> my branch client works with 6289, but not with 6325
17:42 <wrtlprnft> waiting for the div…
17:42 <wrtlprnft> *diff
17:44 <wrtlprnft> argh, this is a ruby related commit
17:44 <philippeqc> oooo
17:44 <philippeqc> with the eEventNotifier class added
17:45 <philippeqc> wait the 2 changes to the ruby files are for the copyright notice
17:45 <wrtlprnft> it does some stuff with network versions
17:45 <philippeqc> that is ok, I patched mine for that too
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17:51 <wrtlprnft> hmm
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17:51 <philippeqc> yes?
17:51 <wrtlprnft> does your branch have the code to receive these notifications?
17:52 <philippeqc> the 2 new files only
17:52 <philippeqc> eEventNofitication.*, nothing more
17:52 <philippeqc> I'm also attempting a merge back onto trunk to try and get around that prob, but there are many issues with the merge.
17:53 <wrtlprnft> it wasn't that many when i tried the last time…
17:53 <philippeqc> not saying conflicts, but issues
17:53 <philippeqc> like after resolving the conflicts, the compile fails because Makefile.am wasnt updated to cover the new files.
17:54 <wrtlprnft> what network version is your client
17:54 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:54 <philippeqc> good question. how do I check
17:54 <wrtlprnft> nConfig.cpp
17:55 <wrtlprnft> sn_versionString
17:55 <philippeqc> it has all the version up to 0.3.1
17:55 <philippeqc> but that might conflict with other new things that are only on the trunk
17:55 <wrtlprnft> exactly what i mean
17:56 <wrtlprnft> for example the growl stuff that gets sent
17:56 <wrtlprnft> but your client also crashes if you connect to a 0.2.8.2.1 server, right?
17:56 <philippeqc> IIRC yes
17:57 <philippeqc> the merged client (branch merged back on trunk) crash on a trunk server
17:57 <philippeqc> weird
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> but if it chrashes on an old server, why are you searching for it in the trunk?
17:58 <philippeqc> i had forgotten about 0.2.8
17:59 <wrtlprnft> that would instantly get rid of the growl suspect
17:59 <philippeqc> yeah
17:59 <wrtlprnft> infact, compatibility to some trunk server version is unimportant, as long as after the merge the latest trunk client and server are compatible
18:00 <philippeqc> but IIRC, even in debug mode I am not able to see at what point it crash. it just kills it, or it receives "corrupted" data about the zone, and crash trying to parse it
18:01 <wrtlprnft> maybe find the revision in your branch that breaks compatibility?
18:01 <philippeqc> hummm
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18:06 <philippeqc> I'm starting to feel the effect of yesterday's party....
18:06 <philippeqc> my brain is shutting down. Better keep that search for next week end
18:07 <philippeqc> thanks for the help
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18:19 <epsy_> hmm i'ill probably get back on my stupid serverbot script....
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18:20 <ghableska> http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
18:20 <epsy_> ...just need to get access back to my pc :P
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18:35 <digitx> !time
18:35 <digitx> #date
18:35 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
18:35 <digitx> #time
18:35 <armabot> digitx: 06:35 PM, May 13, 2007
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18:48 <MrBougo> yelo
18:51 <digitx> yelo
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18:55 <ghableska_> #weather 50266
18:55 <armabot> ghableska_: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 77.4°F (11:54 AM CDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.14 in 986.7 hPa (Rising).
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19:12 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
19:12 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 85.5°F (12:12 PM CDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Falling).
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20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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20:42 <mkzelda> call your mothers
20:42 <mkzelda> thank them for the titty milk
20:45 <_Sticky_> bizzare troll there
20:56 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
20:57 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 69.8°F (2:56 PM EDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising).
20:57 <mkzelda> lol as much as we use that function we should just have a #weather where the bot spits out our weather every hour
21:06 <digitx> re
21:30 <epsy> does actually the "TargetRefresh" option in monitor section of the xorg.conf controls the refresh rate in Hz ?
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23:33 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:33 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 84.6°F (4:30 PM CDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.02 in 982.6 hPa (Rising).
23:34 <ghableska> #tea
23:34 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): $cOw$, Gonzap, InfecteD, NoobyNuberton, Spam a monkey, ~ X ~, ¦Ö¦FoFo
23:54 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:54 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (13/32): $cOw$, Gonzap, InfecteD, JJBean, Kicked for spam, Radian, UnKnown, ~"XzL.Tvitesse, ~*SP*~ ØMÊgÀ, ~*SP*~Sasha, ¦Ö¦FoFo, ¦×¥Rico, °°RageLord
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00:04 <digitx> hi
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00:28 <Durka> #hello
00:28 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Jim> http://www.novare.net/~eam/kaffe/ || Joey> ^ || Joey> And now we all learn how to write Ean's name and the URL is complete. || Jim> Hah! I noticed that the instead I sent it, and I tried to hit ^g, but || I was too slow. :-) || --- debian-devel
00:30 * ghableska pokes Durka
00:30 <Durka> ow wtf
00:31 <Durka> .../ban ghableska
00:31 <Durka> o_O
00:31 <ghableska> meanie
00:31 <Durka> :P
00:31 <ghableska> #list alias
00:31 <armabot> ghableska: roulette, add, armabot, armaconfig, babel, ball, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cfg, chatlog, check, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, do, dong, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, go, goodbye, hello, hey, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, joke, killsomeone, laddle10, lastseen, legit, lock, log, log, (2 more messages)
00:31 <ghableska> #more
00:31 <armabot> ghableska: lukejrwork, m, man, mara, mcalc, mfaq, monologue, morning, nano, night, null, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, pingme, piong, poing, praise, pwn, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, rules, roulette, serverdetails, serverinfo, silesia, slap, speed, stfu, stone, sty, svn, t, tea, team, tst4, tstservers, uname, unlock, ur, w, weather, where, (1 more message)
00:31 <ghableska> #more
00:31 <armabot> ghableska: where are the noobs ?, whoareyou, wikipedia, wild, wp, ww, ¡¡¡, and
00:31 <ghableska> #dong
00:31 <armabot> ding
00:31 <ghableska> #do
00:31 <armabot> Another day...
00:31 <ghableska> #impregnate Durka
00:31 <armabot> /me fertilizes Durka
00:32 <Durka> :O
00:34 <ghableska> anyone seen 28 weeks later?
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00:48 <Durka> :O
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01:38 <DrJoeTr0n> i hate this fucking book
01:38 <DrJoeTr0n> 50 pages down
01:38 <DrJoeTr0n> 150 to go
01:48 <GodTodd> what book?
02:01 <DrJoeTr0n> April Morning
02:09 <_Sticky_> well if its recreational reading and you hate it why not stop?
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02:28 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 81.3°F (7:25 PM CDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Rising).
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02:29 <ghableska> stupid xchat
02:29 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:29 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 81.3°F (7:25 PM CDT on May 13, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Rising).
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02:43 <DrJoeTr0n> ghableska i thought you used trillian?
02:43 <ghableska> did
02:44 <DrJoeTr0n> haha you stopped to?
02:44 <DrJoeTr0n> too*
02:44 <ghableska> yup :)
02:44 <DrJoeTr0n> what made you stop?
02:44 <ghableska> I dunno
02:44 <ghableska> wanted to try something different
02:44 <DrJoeTr0n> it made arma crash for me
02:44 <ghableska> heh
02:45 <ghableska> except this version of xchat crashes whenever you double click on the icon in the system tray
02:55 <ghableska> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USPosterFoodIsAWeapon.jpg
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03:40 <ghableska> http://youtube.com/watch?v=okKYSSRQodQ&mode=related&search=
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04:39 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
04:39 <armabot> pong
04:45 <DrJoeTr0n> misery is back :)
04:45 <Your_mom_arma> didn't he get into an accident?
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> yeah
04:46 <DrJoeTr0n> cant walk normal anymore apparently
04:47 <Your_mom_arma> being able to walk with a cane is better then not being able to walk at all
04:47 <DrJoeTr0n> speaking of
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04:48 <DrJoeTron> i've been watching house after a bunch of people told me to start watching it
04:48 <DrJoeTron> pretty "eh"
04:50 <Your_mom_arma> they own the house?
04:50 <DrJoeTron> eh?
04:52 <Your_mom_arma> I'm sorry, playing arma, not sure if you meant you where house sitting, looking to buy a house, or being creepy with binoculars
04:55 <Your_mom_arma> wait, you meant the TV show didn't you
04:55 * Your_mom_arma dense
04:59 <Your_mom_arma> #dance
04:59 <armabot> Your_mom_arma does the 'I killed chat' dance.
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how much force does it take to cause a black eye?
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> on a child
05:12 <DrJoeTron> the show
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> a cookie for the first person with a reputable source for how much force/energy it takes to cause a black eye on a child
05:24 <Your_mom_arma> guessing, I would say not a lot
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> er, I need a number
05:49 <DrJoeTron> i know it takes 10lbs of force to collapse an eye ball
05:49 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> 10 lbs to collapse an eye ball? is that a direct hit on the eye ball by an objct small enough not to hit the socket?
05:50 <DrJoeTron> yes
05:51 <DrJoeTron> like say if you put an eyeball in a vice
05:51 <DrJoeTron> all it takes is 10lbs to collapse it
05:51 <DrJoeTron> haha now i wanna watch casino
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's not quite what I'm after, but thanks
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05:55 <epsy> hi
05:58 <GodTodd> it's kind of a "depends" question....insofar as some people bruise easier than others
05:58 <GodTodd> i don't know if you can find one "correct" amount of force to cause bruising
06:00 <GodTodd> kind of like asking "how much force can i hit someone with before it hurts them?"
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: are you watching cartoon network?
06:02 <GodTodd> that all, obviously, is for Lucifer_arma ::)
06:02 <GodTodd> :)*
06:02 <DrJoeTron> actually no I'm trying to read this book
06:02 <DrJoeTron> but i watched drinky crow last night on the fix :)
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: actually, that's the question I'm asking, and the target is my daughter
06:02 <Your_mom_arma> fat guy stuck in the internet
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> the question actually is "How much force does a water bottle have to exert on her eye to cause a bruise, if dropped?"
06:03 <DrJoeTron> is it good?
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I just need that one number, and I can come up with a graph of mass vs height that'll show where the bruising starts
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> I have mixed feelings about it
06:03 <DrJoeTron> i just put it on
06:04 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: is that for school or what?
06:04 <epsy> #lastseen epsy
06:04 <armabot> epsy: kk~epsy seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
06:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:04 <epsy> back on tron since this morning :)
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> its another oddball show like saul of the moleman
06:04 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: a single serving water bottle or bigger?
06:04 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Morning
06:04 <GodTodd> ;)
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> although anythings better then that show
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> size doesn't matter, I intend to plot mass vs height
06:05 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd I already read it
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> where height is the height it has to be dropped to cause a bruise when it hits
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> assuming she's looking at it, of course
06:05 <DrJoeTron> but i need to write a 5 page paper on it
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose I could find out experimentally....
06:06 <GodTodd> heh that's only like .5 to .75 pages a section :P
06:06 * Lucifer_arma tries to imagine his daughter agreeing to *that*
06:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: ummm cps might not like that
06:06 <GodTodd> heh
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> "Why does she have a bruise?"
06:06 <GodTodd> "physics experiment"
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> "We were trying to measure how much energy is required to cause a bruise so we could stick it to the school."
06:06 <GodTodd> did they give her a shiner?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> would a CPS worker actually say "J00 fail it!"
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:07 <GodTodd> !
06:08 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma looks like they had more of a budget than saul does
06:08 <GodTodd> your daughter...does she currently have a black eye?
06:09 <Your_mom_arma> yeah, but that didn't help their storyline skills
06:12 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: give me head
06:13 <Your_mom_arma> < the force of your child falling down?
06:17 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd write my paper
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no, this is about an earlier incident
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> the school's story has changed so that now the boy "dropped a water bottle" on her eye
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> ignoring, of course, the fact that eyes are perpendicular to falling objects most of the time
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> and their story includes my daughter not paying attention to the boy, meaning she was *not* looking at the water bottle
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> so I want to determine how much mass would be needed for a boy to drop a water bottle and bruise
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I know the acceleration, I want the kinetic energy to be honest
06:22 <GodTodd> more likely (if, in fact, the water bottle *is* what caused it) the bottle was thrown
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter says he was swinging it like a pendulum and "accidentally" hit her with it
06:22 <GodTodd> that could do it
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> immediately afterwards, the teacher supported that story, but changed it later
06:22 <GodTodd> but that's not dropping it
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> if he was swinging it like a pendulum, and "dropped" it, it would have flown off tangent to the curve with more kinetic energy than it would have if it were just dropped
06:23 <GodTodd> right, in effect it would have been *thrown*
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> it would lose kinetic energy at first (assuming it went above the horizontal) due to gravity, then started gaining again until it hit the ground, or eye, as the case may be
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> meaning the maximum amount of kinetic energy he could have had is much greater if he were swinging it
06:24 <GodTodd> yep
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> so I want to demonstrate with real physics, if it's true, that he could not have bruised her with a drop
06:25 <GodTodd> too bad your physics class is over :/
06:25 <GodTodd> your teacher probably could show equations and everything
06:26 <GodTodd> in fact...do you have his email address? one that he might check regularly?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I could email him, he's still in town (hasn't left for his european vacation yet)
06:26 <GodTodd> that's what i would do...(i haven't found anything usable on google)
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06:29 <Lucifer_arma> quite honestly, if you can just show a scenario I can model easily, I can infer the number from that
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> for example "an 8 year old kid running at <some number> of m/s hits his eye on someone's extended fist gets a small black eye"
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> a hit from a paintball gun yields 11.8 joules
06:36 <GodTodd> that can cause a black eye
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna go with the paintball hit
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> I found that more than 1 joule (based on a UK court case) can cause a penetrating wound when it's a bullet or a bb
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> the shape of the object is more like a paintball than a bullet :)
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, 11.8 = m*(9.8) * d
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> solve for either m or d and graph :)
06:40 <GodTodd> :)
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> #g 11.8/9.8
06:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> #math calc 11.8/9.8
06:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1.20408163265
06:42 <GodTodd> if you weigh a full bottle of water you might even be able to do a comparison graph
06:42 <GodTodd> because i know the paintball hit is going to have more force
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06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I put distance on the y axis
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I figure we'll look at 1 meter, that's still pretty high for a kid
06:43 <GodTodd> yep
06:43 <GodTodd> that's what...4-5 feet?
06:44 <GodTodd> 4 feet or so, i guess
06:44 <GodTodd> i always remember 6ft being approx. 1.5 meters
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> there we go
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> now, what's the density of water? :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> also, it's a metal water bottle
06:48 <GodTodd> density of water is .998
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> is density a unit-less measure?
06:50 <GodTodd> g/cc
06:50 <GodTodd> or, identically, g/mL
06:51 <GodTodd> that's at 20-25 degrees C
06:51 <GodTodd> was it inside, or out?
06:51 <GodTodd> warmer than room temp or at or cooler?
06:52 <GodTodd> (the warmer the water the less density it has)
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> at about room temp
06:52 <GodTodd> k
06:52 <GodTodd> then the .998 should work
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm willing to guesstimate the water bottle at about 200 grams
06:53 <GodTodd> .9982 if you need 4 sig figs ;)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm guesstimating at 1 sig fig :)
06:53 <GodTodd> heh
06:53 <GodTodd> then "1"
06:53 <GodTodd> :)
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> 16 ounces of water are 454 grams or so according to google
06:54 <GodTodd> just the water?
06:54 <GodTodd> what kind of metal was the bottle?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> just the water, if it's full
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> no idea what kind of metal the bottle was, I've been assuming stainless steel for some reason
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> but I know what 200 grams feels like, and it's not terribly light
06:55 <GodTodd> go with that (worst case, you know)
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so, 650 grams
06:55 <GodTodd> sounds good
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> we're coming up to about 1 kg
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> for a full bottle
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> 1.1 pounds for the bottle
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's easy, it's f(1) :)
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, it would have to drop 1.2 meters to cause a bruising paintball hit
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> about 4 feet
06:57 <GodTodd> 4-5 yeah
06:57 <GodTodd> and that's from the apex of the trajectory, no?
06:59 <GodTodd> (assuming, of course, the kid wasn't standing on a ladder when he "dropped" it) ;)
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07:02 <GodTodd> 1.2 meters = 3.93700787 feet
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...4
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07:16 <MrBougo> hello
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> baseball = 140 grams
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> remember that
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:17 <MrBougo> errrhm... ok...
07:17 <MrBougo> 140 grams of what?
07:17 <MrBougo> the ball?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> now, what's the velocity and angle for a tee ball hit, average, and will it cause a bruise? :)
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: yes, the ball (i just weighed one that's legal for tee ball play according to the rules)
07:18 <MrBougo> oh
07:18 <MrBougo> and what the hell is a tee ball hit xD
07:18 <MrBougo> i've never played baseball
07:18 <MrBougo> it isnt very popular in europe
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08:12 <GodTodd> hrmm...linux needs some sports games :/
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> Kolf isn't good enough for you?!?
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> I give up on the baseball comparison
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm satisfied that a 4 foot "drop" to cause a black eye is a clear disembowlment of the school's ridiculous position
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> when the boy said he just 'dropped' it, I'm pretty sure that meant he was swinging it around and let go, and he doesn't want to get in trouble for it
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> add to it that my daughter said they were standing in line, and it's pretty obvious he didn't lose his grip while carrying it in any reasonable manner
08:19 <GodTodd> yep
08:19 <MrBougo> GodTodd, ever tried tux racer?
08:19 <GodTodd> and no...kolf doesn't play quite the same as baseball or football ;)
08:19 <GodTodd> MrBougo: i don't consider racing a sport
08:19 <GodTodd> :P
08:19 <MrBougo> i dont consider tux racing a game
08:20 <MrBougo> it looks like an experiment
08:20 <GodTodd> heh
08:20 <MrBougo> xD
08:20 <MrBougo> it's terrible imho
08:20 <MrBougo> but i can understand that you're an addict
08:20 <GodTodd> guess i'll have to bring down my madden and triple play and see if they run under wine :/
08:20 <MrBougo> hehe
08:21 <GodTodd> or just hole up in the office and play them when i get a hankering
08:21 <GodTodd> it's a hard life being a big sports fan and a linux user, i tell ya ;)
08:23 <MrBougo> http://www.tucows.com/Linux/Games/Action/Sports/
08:24 <MrBougo> :p
08:24 <MrBougo> just create yourself a sport game
08:24 <MrBougo> or go on sty ball
08:24 <MrBougo> now i'm out
08:25 <MrBougo> err "just create your own sport game" i mean
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08:25 <GodTodd> i may have to do that...once i learn graphics programming :/
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10:14 <DrJoeTron> so many servers on arma
10:14 <DrJoeTron> yet there are no players to speak of
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: remember Super Bowl Sunday?
10:15 * Lucifer_arma isn't really expecting GodTodd (hi there!) to still be kicking around
10:28 <DrJoeTron> what about me
10:28 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma eh? eh?
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12:45 <Loor> ahhh, durka where are you?!
12:45 <Loor> :'(
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14:04 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: what about super bowl sunday?
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16:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: is that the kind of sports game you're interested in?
16:14 <GodTodd> don't remember it
16:19 <GodTodd> http://thismight.be/offensive/2007/03/07/index.php?id=4
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17:41 <Lucifer_arma> haha
17:41 <Lucifer_arma> the guys that came to clean my carpet, one of them is a guy I worked with at sonic way back when
17:42 <Lucifer_arma> hadn't seen him since before I got married, wow
17:48 <akira_> :o
17:55 <luke-jr_work> ...
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18:09 <epsy> hi
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18:34 * GodTodd wonders if Lucifer_arma is preparing for a CPS visit or something...
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19:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> cps does care if your house is clean...
19:04 <Lucifer_arma> actually, we decided to just start our spring cleaning early. We normally start it after the spring semester is over, or we start it during spring break and then stall whatever's left until the semester is over
19:05 <Lucifer_arma> other than that, no reason to do anything unusual for us to prepare for this visit, but we have to make sure our ducks are lined up
19:07 <Lucifer_arma> but the semester is over now, so we're full-blown spring cleaning, and probably about half way finished right now
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20:42 <GodTodd> holy shit...i pulled a B in chem
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> good job!
20:55 <Lucifer_arma> for someone expecting a C anyway..... :P
21:03 <GodTodd> :P
21:04 <luke-jr_work> I'd have got an @
21:04 <GodTodd> really...i didn't care what i got other than getting the credit for possible application toward electives...since ce is apparently the only engineering degree at utd that doesn't require chem
21:04 <GodTodd> heh
21:05 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: put up or shut up :)
21:14 <luke-jr_work> stfu luser
21:14 <luke-jr_work> baka noob
21:16 <GodTodd> ok...given an 8.0 M HCl solution, describe how you would make a .25 M aqueous solution. include any equipment to be used
21:17 * GodTodd notes luke-jr_work would probably tell a neurosurgeon "i could have done that operation in half the time.".
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21:25 <z-man> GodTodd: you take one of those measuring thingies, fill in 1 unit of the acid, then pour 7 units of water on top. Then you run for the emergency shower.
21:26 <z-man> 31 units of water, of course.
21:26 <GodTodd> z-man: yep...you'd need the emergency shower in that case ;)
21:26 <GodTodd> eyewash station too perhaps
21:27 <z-man> Of course, notice how I did not include protective glasses in the equipment list :)
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21:44 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): =)~luAp~, G5, mini, Monkey, Tîger, ~*SP*~viper~
21:44 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (13 players) || Norm's Place (12 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || Chico's Brake Boost Styball (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - UK Div. DogFight :. (4 players) || The Tavern (4 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (4 players) || .: Eclipse'd.EC|d - (1 more message)
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22:22 * GodTodd waits for luke-jr_work to wow him with a correct answer.
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22:24 * GodTodd waits for luke-jr|work to wow him with a correct answer.
22:24 <Vanhayes> answer to what?
22:24 <GodTodd> ok...given an 8.0 M HCl solution, describe how you would make a .25 M aqueous solution. include any equipment to be used
22:24 <GodTodd> since he would have gotten an A in chem
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22:39 <epsy> #armaservers
22:39 <armabot> epsy: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map (16 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ¬ | D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 (9 players) || Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (7 players) || -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< (6 players) || Norm's Place (5 players) || The Tavern (4 players) || SPACEZONE [VERY HIGH SPEED!!] (4 players) || .: (1 more message)
22:39 <epsy> #more
22:39 <armabot> epsy: Eclipse'd.EC|d - N.A. Division Arma Clan :. (3 players) || SPACEZONE III (3 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (3 players) || ~*SpeederS*~ Server (3 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Dogfight (2 players) || ~"XzL.Clan The Server (2 players)
22:39 <epsy> *hmm*
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22:46 <luke-jr|work> GodTodd: I would just tell them chem is fiction
22:46 <luke-jr|work> :)
22:46 <GodTodd> sure is...water treatment doesn't exist
22:46 <GodTodd> :)
22:46 <luke-jr|work> nope!
22:47 <GodTodd> you are so ignorant it's kind of funny :)
22:47 <GodTodd> btw...your answer would net an F...which means you wouldn't have gotten an A
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23:09 <luke-jr|work> I didn't say an A
23:09 <luke-jr|work> I said an @
23:09 <luke-jr|work> foo
23:10 <GodTodd> then what do you say an "@" is when speaking of a grade?
23:10 <GodTodd> foo
23:19 <GodTodd> those who can, do. those who can't say they could have done better.
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23:47 <luke-jr|work> ASCII
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00:00 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:00 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 88.2°F (4:59 PM CDT on May 14, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.87 in 977.5 hPa (Rising).
00:00 <ghableska> gah
00:01 <CT|P4> #lastseen hand
00:01 <armabot> CT|P4: hand has last been seen on CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu 3 minutes ago.
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00:30 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
00:30 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 87.3°F (5:31 PM CDT on May 14, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Falling).
00:36 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:36 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 88.2°F (5:34 PM CDT on May 14, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa (Rising).
00:36 <ghableska> lies
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01:25 <Lucifer_arma> hey, if you guys see someone in a car looking at my house, can you write down the date, time, and license plate number?
01:25 <_Sticky_> sure
01:27 <Lucifer_arma> also, if someone here already has a shell account on my machine, can they grab the wiki database?
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my todo list to make it available, but the shit is just flowing through the fan right now
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02:31 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:31 <armabot> pong
02:31 <GodTodd> what shit? what fan?
02:35 <Your_mom_arma> !
02:38 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, I just realized nemo hasn't been in irc for a long time, nor have I seen him post on the forums
02:39 <DrJoeTron> i just finished my book
02:39 <DrJoeTron> and wow
02:39 <DrJoeTron> what a lazy writer
02:39 <DrJoeTron> this book would have been about 300 pages
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> better then a writer who is overly descriptive
02:40 <DrJoeTron> not when they cut out an entire scene
02:40 <DrJoeTron> battle of lexington
02:41 <DrJoeTron> "the battle was beginning and i i fell asleep i was tired from being up so late, then i woke up and the battle was over"
02:41 <DrJoeTron> WOW! EPIC!
02:41 <Your_mom_arma> I get it, the grass caught the characters eye, I don't need to read 3 pages about how grass looks... haha
02:41 <DrJoeTron> it was a decient book
02:42 <DrJoeTron> now i have to write a 5 page paper on it
02:42 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: kind of like the end of braveheart, eh?
02:42 <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:42 <DrJoeTron> its like with hannah barbara cartoons
02:42 <DrJoeTron> where all of the action happens OFF of the screen
02:42 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:42 <GodTodd> heh
02:42 <Your_mom_arma> reminds me of that southpark episode with the psp
02:43 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:45 * GodTodd doesn't remember that one. :/
02:46 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 83.1°F (7:45 PM CDT on May 14, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 28.85 in 976.9 hPa (Rising).
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> lightcycles & ramps http://geocities.com/armagetron_maps/blah7.jpg
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> comments?
02:55 <ghableska> pretty nice
02:55 <ghableska> how did you make that?
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> blender
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03:42 <GodTodd> and then of course there's that fucker DrJoeTron
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03:56 <DrJoeTron> you know what
03:56 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd fuck you mang
03:59 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: what did you think of it?
03:59 <GodTodd> fuck you harder and deeper
04:00 <DrJoeTron> yours right?
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> yes
04:00 <DrJoeTron> i really like it
04:00 <Your_mom_arma> texturing is a pita
04:00 <DrJoeTron> its pretty fucking neat
04:01 <Your_mom_arma> I couldn't get lightning bolts to show up on parts of the trails
04:04 <Your_mom_arma> also the squares for the grid look like rectangles
04:05 <DrJoeTron> so
04:05 <DrJoeTron> hey
04:05 <DrJoeTron> blender you used eh?
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
04:05 <DrJoeTron> you're gonna have to teach me how to use that one of these days :I
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> I'm pretty horrible at it, but I can teach you what I know
04:08 <DrJoeTron> you knew enough to create an output
04:08 <DrJoeTron> which is good for me
04:13 <DrJoeTron> blender is free yeah?
04:14 <Your_mom_arma> last time I checked, not sure if its open source
04:14 <GodTodd> it is
04:15 <GodTodd> Blender is the free open source 3D content creation suite, available for all major operating systems under the GNU General Public License.
04:15 <DrJoeTron> what version are you on?
04:15 <DrJoeTron> I'm gonna finish my movie pack if it kills me :/
04:16 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
04:16 <Your_mom_arma> pong
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> v 2.43
04:17 <DrJoeTron> ok
04:17 <DrJoeTron> imma get 2.44
04:17 <Your_mom_arma> if there's a newer version it probably hasn't changed much
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> spell check in pidgin is spoiling me
04:19 <DrJoeTron> anything special i should get with it?
04:20 <Your_mom_arma> I don't think so... if you want to import/export aa .mod files you should get aatools, haven't quite figured out a way to export moviepack .ase files
04:21 <DrJoeTron> aatools?
04:21 <Your_mom_arma> although there was a post about someone getting it to work on the forums
04:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah there was
04:21 <DrJoeTron> a way
04:21 <DrJoeTron> but it was for 3d S max
04:21 <DrJoeTron> and it needed to be an older version
04:21 <DrJoeTron> however you can export to .ase
04:22 <DrJoeTron> aatools?
04:22 <DrJoeTron> cani get those one the site?
04:22 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=157321#157321 , its only for importing/exporting the .mod files in arma
04:22 <Your_mom_arma> aka the non moviepack bike
04:28 <DrJoeTron> hmm
04:28 <DrJoeTron> i take it then its going to be kinda rough trying to make a movie pack bike?
04:28 <DrJoeTron> can it export to .ase?
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04:32 <Your_mom_arma> aatools can't bot someone got an ase converter in blender to work(I sure havn't) http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=85421#85421
04:32 <Your_mom_arma> but *
04:34 <DrJoeTron> hmm
04:34 <DrJoeTron> whats the file extension for 3d S max
04:34 <DrJoeTron> if i can get it to convert
04:34 <DrJoeTron> and then export to .ase
04:37 <Your_mom_arma> .3ds iirc
04:38 <Your_mom_arma> the 3d studio import/export function comes with blender
04:41 <DrJoeTron> ok good
04:41 <DrJoeTron> i'll probably work on it later
04:42 <DrJoeTron> i gotta do my paper i have yet to start
05:08 <DrJoeTron> AGH
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06:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, that disaster is over :)
07:09 <GodTodd> what went on tonight?
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07:16 <MrBougo> hello
07:24 <MrBougo> Gentoo 2007 (aka Secret Sauce) Released!
07:24 <MrBougo> aw it's released since 7 may
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07:29 <GodTodd> DrJoePron
07:35 <MrBougo> lol
07:35 <MrBougo> bye!
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07:37 <DrJoeTron> wadup Godpodd
07:38 <GodTodd> get your paper done yet? :P
07:38 <GodTodd> you should have luke-jr do it...he'd get you an @
07:41 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:41 <DrJoeTron> nah I'm not even close
07:42 <GodTodd> when's it due?
07:42 <DrJoeTron> 11 hours
07:42 <GodTodd> hmmm
07:43 <GodTodd> that's a pickle
07:43 <DrJoeTron> nah
07:43 <DrJoeTron> its alright
07:43 <DrJoeTron> its only gotta be 5 full pages
07:43 <DrJoeTron> i hit a break through and full read the requirements
07:43 <DrJoeTron> fully*
07:43 <GodTodd> so now it's a half hour deal?
07:43 <DrJoeTron> looks like I have to quote the book 7 times
07:43 <DrJoeTron> oh hell yeah
07:43 <GodTodd> big quotes? :)
07:43 <DrJoeTron> so I'm taking my time
07:44 <DrJoeTron> of course :)
07:44 <GodTodd> haha
07:44 <DrJoeTron> first quote i used took up a third of the page
07:44 <GodTodd> double spaced, i assume
07:44 <DrJoeTron> yup
07:44 <GodTodd> yeah...busy work then
07:45 <GodTodd> just to make sure you actually read the thing
07:45 <DrJoeTron> i just finished the book 3 hours ago
07:46 <GodTodd> when's your semester over?
07:46 <DrJoeTron> this week
07:46 <GodTodd> this is the last week?
07:46 <DrJoeTron> yes
07:46 <GodTodd> cool...mine ended last week ;)
07:46 <DrJoeTron> so did everyone elses :)
07:47 <DrJoeTron> and now I'm the most popular guy to hang with now
07:47 <GodTodd> then 20 days off before i crank out calc I and II in around 20 weeks
07:47 <DrJoeTron> it just so happens to be the same time I can't do anything
07:47 <GodTodd> errr 11 weeks
07:47 <GodTodd> not 20
07:47 <DrJoeTron> haha ha
07:47 <DrJoeTron> i was about to say
07:47 <DrJoeTron> god speed
07:47 <DrJoeTron> I'm applying for an internship this week
07:47 <DrJoeTron> unfortunately its not paying
07:47 <GodTodd> i'll probably wait until i get to utd to start that stuff
07:48 <GodTodd> tho i could probably get one programming java if i wanted to
07:48 <DrJoeTron> this is so i can create contacts, and a portfolio
07:48 <GodTodd> yeah...you graphics people like those portfolio thingees
07:48 <DrJoeTron> tell me about it
07:49 <GodTodd> my wife works with a cad person that also does vb programming
07:49 <DrJoeTron> ooh
07:49 <GodTodd> that chick's about as useless as a paperweight for email
07:49 <DrJoeTron> hahha
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08:11 <DrJoeTron> yay
08:11 <DrJoeTron> 477 words
08:11 <GodTodd> 2 pages?
08:14 <DrJoeTron> one and a half
08:14 <DrJoeTron> : /
08:15 <GodTodd> yeah...i guess that would be
08:15 <GodTodd> roughly 250 words per page
08:15 <GodTodd> if you use standard font size, that is ;)
08:16 <GodTodd> times 12 that should be closer to 1.75 pages
08:17 <DrJoeTron> Times New Roman 12 point font
08:17 <GodTodd> yep
08:17 <GodTodd> guess the margins play a role too
08:17 <GodTodd> :/
08:35 <DrJoeTron> someone keeps trying to access my pc
08:35 <DrJoeTron> with VNC
08:35 <DrJoeTron> my server*
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11:16 <dsop> hi, just a question, were there any changes between 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 that let instant kills more often happen?
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11:45 <DrJoeTron> no?
11:45 <DrJoeTron> dsop you should try and watch the lagometer :) the one that surrounds the players bikes?
11:46 <DrJoeTron> it doesn't happen as nearly often if you pay attention to those
11:50 <dsop> DrJoeTron: just wondering that people say, since i changed the server to 2.8.2.1 they think instant kill happen more often
11:50 <dsop> but i guess there werent changes to that handling
11:51 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that was really fixed to my knowledge was a horrible security breach
11:51 <DrJoeTron> hole*
11:52 <DrJoeTron> but that wouldnt have to do with the game mechanics
11:52 <dsop> but we ran 2.8.1 before
11:52 <DrJoeTron> you know
11:53 <DrJoeTron> the only reason why its been brought up now is because it finally has a label for when it happens
11:53 <DrJoeTron> but seriously I've always noticed it being there
11:53 <DrJoeTron> not to mention the weiners who use it as an excuse for when they die :)
11:54 <dsop> haha
11:54 <DrJoeTron> its a matter of watching the opponents lagometer
11:54 <dsop> yeah, definatly, but it's so anying those people shouting INSTA
11:54 <DrJoeTron> well it used to be LAG
11:54 <DrJoeTron> now its INSTA
11:54 <DrJoeTron> INSTA HEY GUYS I DIED! DID YOU SEE!?
11:54 <DrJoeTron> IM DEAD
11:55 <DrJoeTron> LAFFO
11:55 <DrJoeTron> the fads on arma right now arent very fun ones
11:59 <DrJoeTron> dsop where do you typically pla
11:59 <DrJoeTron> y
12:11 <dsop> on which server?
12:11 <dsop> ds arena
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12:34 <DrJoeTron> ah
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13:32 <epsy> hi
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14:54 <digitx> hi
14:55 <P4> http://www.joemonster.org/filmy/4029/ps-iii-vs-wii <=- have you seen comparision between PS3 and wii? :}
14:55 <P4> hi digitx :}
14:55 <digitx> hi
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17:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.5.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
17:16 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
17:17 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.7.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
17:18 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tom-0.0.8.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
17:19 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
17:21 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/test/zone-0.1.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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17:54 <kidanger> #lastseen hell
17:54 <armabot> kidanger: Michelle has last been seen on ~*SpeederS*~ Server 0 days 9 hours 30 minutes ago.
17:54 <kidanger> #lastseen sing
17:54 <armabot> kidanger: iSingle2 has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 0 days 10 hours 21 minutes ago.
17:54 <kidanger> #lastseen hells
17:54 <armabot> kidanger: ~|FS|~.Hellsing has last been seen on ¬| D u r k a D u r k a L a n d | ¬/xff9900 0 days 20 hours 41 minutes ago.
17:54 <kidanger> #serverinfo Fous
17:54 <armabot> kidanger: Chez les Joueurs Fous ^^' -=|JF Server|=- ~MaP RoTaTioN~: No online players.
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19:41 <MrBougo> elo!
19:41 <MrBougo> #lastseen mr. bougo
19:41 <MrBougo> let's see if it's amazing
19:41 <armabot> MrBougo: Mr. Bougo has last been seen on Norm's Place 3 days 8 hours 24 minutes ago.
19:41 <MrBougo> i think it is
19:41 <MrBougo> oaw, 3 days
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
19:42 <MrBougo> #lastseen Player 1
19:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: timed out
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: Player 1 has last been seen on SPACEZONE [VERY HIGH SPEED!!] 1 minutes ago.
19:42 <MrBougo> lol
19:43 <akira_> #lastseen oscilloscope
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: BUG: "1 minutes ago"
19:44 <akira_> the bit is ignoring me :(
19:44 <akira_> bot*
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> akira: it takes awhile to time out
19:44 <armabot> akira_: timed out
19:44 <akira_> ah
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20:03 <Vanhayes> #google 10000 lakes
20:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.11 seconds: 10000 Lakes Festival: <http://www.10000lakesfestival.com/>; 10000 Lakes Festival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10,000_Lakes_Festival>; Minnesota Cycling Team—Sponsored by Tonka Cycle & Ski: <http://www.tourof10000lakes.net/>; State Nicknames: <http://www.50states.com/bio/nickname3.htm>; Introduction to Minnesota - (2 more messages)
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20:14 <MrBougo> bye
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20:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: do you really care?
20:21 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen player 1
20:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Player 1 seems to be on Stormcrow's Dungeon right now.
20:21 <wrtlprnft> should be fixed now
20:26 <epsy> hmm i got a big problem on my computer
20:27 <epsy> it seems it just started sending spam :///
20:30 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yes. :)
20:35 <epsy> #lastseen player 1
20:35 <armabot> epsy: Player 1 seems to be on SPACEZONE III right now.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i hope you don't have my email address
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21:04 <madmax|pt> hi
21:08 <akira_> hi
21:09 <epsy> wrtlprnft, tb isn't affected
21:13 <DrJoeTron> tuberculosis?
21:14 <epsy> <epsy> hmm i got a big problem on my computer
21:14 <epsy> <epsy> it seems it just started sending spam :///
21:14 <epsy> or at least my mail is used as exp. adress
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22:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:49 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 60.3°F (3:45 PM CDT on May 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising).
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23:43 <P4> guys... i got a question: i got strange name on the grid but on different servers the name appears in other way - why?
23:44 <P4> #whoisp4
23:44 <armabot> P4 is known as ©t¦¶3 or ©S¦µ4 on the GRID
23:44 <P4> originally my name is ©T¦¶4
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Log from 2007-05-16:
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00:15 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6659911.stm
00:15 <ghableska> hahaha
00:15 <ghableska> "It seems that Maria Luisa Zamora failed to keep up payments on her mortgage because she had in fact died in 2001."
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01:23 <_Sticky_> #tea
01:24 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:00 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:00 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
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02:24 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo cage
02:24 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Cage: Players (7/7): GIT-ER-DUN, KALMarmorshrike, lIl sHaWtY, player 1`, Simmy, The Police, Voip
02:24 <DrJoeTron> holy jesus christ
02:25 <DrJoeTron> shits goin down : /
02:25 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo tub
02:25 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The Lobster Tub(TEST): No online players.
02:25 <DrJoeTron> :/ cant win them all
02:25 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i found Gunstar Super Heroes for 10 bucks
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02:30 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:30 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, should I know about that game?
02:33 <_Sticky_> which game?
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> ign sure thought so
02:37 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:37 <DrJoeTron> its pretty hard to find
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and its a really good game
02:37 <DrJoeTron> if you ever played gunstar heroes for genesis
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02:43 <neostrider> hello folks
02:47 <_Sticky_> hay folk
02:48 <neostrider> whats going on?
02:50 <_Sticky_> not much
02:50 <neostrider> are you under linux?
02:50 <_Sticky_> yes
02:51 <neostrider> wanna try my game
02:51 <neostrider> its inspired in ARMA
02:51 <_Sticky_> what is it?
02:52 <_Sticky_> send it over
02:52 <neostrider> check it out: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/
02:52 <neostrider> let me do a last-minute recompile and pack it
02:52 <neostrider> are you ia32?
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02:53 <_Sticky_> can you not give me code and ill configure and build it?
02:54 <neostrider> sure
02:54 <neostrider> its GPL
02:54 <_Sticky_> cool
02:55 <_Sticky_> yeah im on a centrino 32 bit
02:56 <neostrider> great...the binary should work as well
02:56 <neostrider> but please, dont expect much
02:56 <neostrider> im not using OpenGL or any other 3D API
02:56 <_Sticky_> no problem
02:56 <neostrider> cos the game is for portable devices
02:56 <_Sticky_> ok
02:57 <_Sticky_> where can i get it?
02:57 <neostrider> hope its not too big
02:57 <neostrider> well..im trying to send it over here
02:57 <_Sticky_> hmm not sure freenode will let it
02:57 <neostrider> yeah...let me upload it
02:59 <neostrider> rapidsharerin' it
03:00 <_Sticky_> rapidsharein??
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03:02 <neostrider> yeah
03:02 <neostrider> uploading to rapidshare
03:05 <_Sticky_> wow its taking a while... how big is it?
03:05 <neostrider> 5 MB
03:06 <neostrider> here is it
03:06 <neostrider> http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html
03:06 <_Sticky_> ahh ok not that big then
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03:10 <_Sticky_> should build.sh compile it?
03:11 <neostrider> yeah =-D
03:11 <neostrider> not that cloudy, right?
03:11 <neostrider> the binary is BZK
03:11 <neostrider> "conbed" is a level editor...but its quite arcane
03:13 <_Sticky_> threw an error during compile
03:13 <_Sticky_> the binary worked tho
03:13 <neostrider> maybe you dont have some of the dev libs
03:14 <neostrider> played the game?
03:14 <neostrider> confused?! =-p
03:14 <_Sticky_> think it may be reading the keys too quick
03:14 <_Sticky_> a slight tap is a double turn
03:14 <_Sticky_> its fast
03:14 <neostrider> yeah...im working really hard on that
03:15 <neostrider> but i needed to see if this is only with me
03:15 <_Sticky_> WOO I WON A ROUND
03:15 <neostrider> if you want to try more advanced levels (other arenas), try this:
03:15 <neostrider> GREAT \o/
03:15 <neostrider> it took me ages to win one
03:16 <neostrider> to try further levels, do this:
03:16 <neostrider> type ./BZK nameofthelevel.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> the level names are:
03:16 <neostrider> start.bzk2 (the first level)
03:16 <neostrider> level2.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> level3.bzk2
03:16 <neostrider> level4.bzk2
03:17 <_Sticky_> hmm need to slow thins down some how, need something like the turbo button, that ironicaly made the computer slower
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> what kind of portable devices?
03:19 <Your_mom_arma> cellphones? sbc?
03:19 <_Sticky_> Vacuum/VAC_PolyBuffer.h:74: error: ‘assert’ was not declared in this scope
03:20 <neostrider> humm...do you know Maemo?
03:21 <neostrider> _Sticky_: strange...as far as I know, assert is a C++ keyword
03:21 <_Sticky_> yes it is
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03:24 <_Sticky_> should you be putting code in the headers like that?
03:25 <neostrider> actually, many people complain about it
03:25 <neostrider> but I like it
03:25 <neostrider> makes a lot easier to mantain
03:25 <neostrider> also, the game engine I did is very generic
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03:25 <neostrider> you just include some stuff , implement some code (about 3 functions) and you have your game
03:27 <_Sticky_> i commented out 2 asserts you have and it compiles fine
03:27 <_Sticky_> hope you are initialising properly
03:29 <neostrider> quite properly
03:29 <neostrider> I just have some leaks with the XML parsing
03:29 <neostrider> actually, "XML parsing"
03:29 <neostrider> its actually serialized data,but disguised as XML, so its more interoperable
03:30 <_Sticky_> using an xml lib?
03:30 <neostrider> no...I did most of the stuff from scratch
03:30 <neostrider> about 95% of the code is mine
03:30 <neostrider> Im working on it for about a year and a half
03:30 <_Sticky_> does look good
03:31 <_Sticky_> could have more luck with an xml lib, sort of the power of GPL is that you can take this stuff off the shelf
03:41 <neostrider> yeah...but did you liked the game?
03:41 <neostrider> any comment?
03:41 <neostrider> besides speed and controls?
03:42 <_Sticky_> neostrider: i fixed the assert problem by #include <cassert> in both BZKmain.cpp and VAC_PolyBuffer.h
03:42 <neostrider> thanks
03:43 <neostrider> I wil apply "the patch" ;-P
03:44 <neostrider> a friend of mine tested it on XP-64...
03:44 <neostrider> I just dont know how it behave on unix 64
03:44 <_Sticky_> other than speed and controls no problems
03:44 <neostrider> can you test it please?
03:44 <neostrider> http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/angstron-alpha-03/
03:45 <neostrider> sticky suggested some stuff
03:45 <neostrider> the CVS is outdated
03:45 <neostrider> VERY outdated
03:45 <neostrider> http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html
03:45 <_Sticky_> if you start it by loading level x then whn you die it should start on that level again insted of going back to start
03:45 <neostrider> sorry luke
03:45 <neostrider> Its just too big for geocities
03:46 <neostrider> easy to say
03:46 <neostrider> but just to say
03:46 <neostrider> so show me how
03:47 <neostrider> not here, wise guy
03:47 <neostrider> daniel@sandbox:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 start
03:47 <neostrider> bash: /etc/init.d/apache2: Arquivo ou diretório inexistente
03:47 <neostrider> daniel@sandbox:~$
03:47 <_Sticky_> english?
03:47 <neostrider> brazillian portuguese for "file or directory not found"
03:47 <_Sticky_> ahh
03:48 <_Sticky_> install apache
03:48 <_Sticky_> ./build.sh
03:48 <neostrider> that crap took me more than a year to develop...
03:49 <_Sticky_> #include <cassert> or comment out the assert
03:49 <neostrider> yeah
03:49 <_Sticky_> i said that...but hay luke-jr be nice
03:49 <neostrider> so you just include a single file and implement your own game
03:50 <neostrider> .........
03:50 <neostrider> its a design decision
03:50 <neostrider> if you dont want, do try it
03:50 <neostrider> well
03:50 <neostrider> include the cassert on BZK_BaseIncludes.h
03:50 <neostrider> its called code for embedded stuf
03:51 <neostrider> stuff
03:51 <neostrider> o
03:51 <neostrider> ok
03:51 <neostrider> if its bad code, delete it
03:51 <neostrider> whats the matter
03:51 <neostrider> normal code would run at 0.5 FPS
03:51 <neostrider> (at the best cases)
03:52 <_Sticky_> ability to close the window via the x in the corner would be nice(but i suppose not a priority on a mobile)
03:52 <_Sticky_> is the speed of the game device dependant?
03:52 <neostrider> do you see a X on the corner of a nintendo game?
03:52 <neostrider> try "ESC"
03:52 <_Sticky_> this for a nintendo?
03:53 <neostrider> no...but its meant to be a game sensation fo
03:53 <neostrider> not a computer game
03:53 <neostrider> simple, but irrelevant
03:53 <_Sticky_> is the speed of the game device dependant?
03:53 <neostrider> noticed its 800x480?
03:54 <neostrider> its the screen resolution of the device
03:54 <neostrider> sticky, actually, it tries to fix a FPS, but that code its working...I guess I disabled it long ago
03:54 <neostrider> no
03:54 <_Sticky_> do like the 3d renderer tho
03:54 <neostrider> you can easily ajust the resolution
03:55 <neostrider> there is not OpenGL here
03:55 <neostrider> or any other 3D API
03:55 <neostrider> I did it myself
03:55 <_Sticky_> yeah you do kind of want to let the fps fluctuate with the devices power but the speed of the game remain constant
03:55 <neostrider> from scratch
03:55 <neostrider> (ok...i used the SDL_gfx for 2D primitives)
03:55 <neostrider> one thing I know its working
03:56 <neostrider> on the device, it keeps on 80% of cpu
03:56 <neostrider> instead of 100%
03:56 <neostrider> nice thing for battery powered devices
03:56 <_Sticky_> what device?
03:56 <neostrider> but I should improve it
03:56 <neostrider> Nokia 770 and N800
03:56 <neostrider> and soon, other linux devices
03:56 <neostrider> mostly phones
03:56 <_Sticky_> openmoko?
03:57 <neostrider> I trying to checkout the SVN
03:57 <neostrider> (the openmoko SVN)
03:57 <neostrider> but its not working
03:57 <neostrider> but I will change some stuff for the moko edition
03:57 <_Sticky_> yeah my computer spent ages building the qemu testing enviornment
03:58 <neostrider> wow
03:58 <neostrider> what is inside your box?
03:58 <_Sticky_> my pc?
03:59 <neostrider> yeah
03:59 <_Sticky_> 1.7ghz pentium m
03:59 <neostrider> WOW
04:00 <_Sticky_> was up to 2gb before i killed the build
04:00 <neostrider> what did you used?
04:00 <_Sticky_> what do you mean?
04:00 <neostrider> mokomakefile?
04:00 <neostrider> or the plain usual?
04:01 <_Sticky_> hmm ill try to remember here
04:01 <neostrider> are you a developer, right?
04:02 <_Sticky_> yeah mokomakefile
04:03 <_Sticky_> well im a programmer im not a developer for moko, or tron
04:03 <neostrider> what do you do?
04:03 <neostrider> (what distro are you using?)
04:03 <_Sticky_> robotics projects mainly
04:03 <_Sticky_> kubuntu
04:04 <neostrider> cool
04:04 <neostrider> like it
04:04 <neostrider> indeed
04:04 -!- P4 is now known as P4|away
04:04 <neostrider> there is a lame try of implementing the LOGO language on BZK
04:04 <neostrider> but its not even quite started
04:05 <_Sticky_> hmm logo, was that the thing i used to move a electronic turtle at school
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04:06 <neostrider> precisily
04:06 <neostrider> i never had the turtle
04:06 <neostrider> but always wanted to have one
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04:06 <neostrider> its kind of a robot too ;-)
04:06 <neostrider> but besides that, I did worked with a robotic arm on college
04:07 <neostrider> powered by a 8051
04:08 <_Sticky_> never used one of those
04:08 <neostrider> lucky you haha
04:08 <_Sticky_> ooohh harvard architecture
04:09 <_Sticky_> yeah we have quite a few robot arm stuff around
04:09 <neostrider> hahahaha...im much more a ARM guy now
04:09 <neostrider> since my old N-Gage hackings
04:09 <_Sticky_> what do you do then?
04:09 <neostrider> my first mobile 3D game engine...that ran at 0.5 FPS!
04:09 <neostrider> well.. oficially, I word for a newspaper
04:09 <neostrider> C# and other boring stuff
04:10 <neostrider> but I love mobile gaming
04:10 <neostrider> after my N-Gage was stolen, I got this idea of making the 770 a good gaming plataform
04:10 <neostrider> maybe im not suceding, but Im trying the best that I can
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04:10 <_Sticky_> your not doing bad
04:11 <_Sticky_> appears to run very fast
04:11 <neostrider> but on device, that same level is much more slower
04:11 <neostrider> about 1 FPS
04:11 <neostrider> on smaller arenas, the framerate improves
04:11 <_Sticky_> that is about on a par with other mobile phone games ive played
04:12 <neostrider> on a 1.7 Ghz machine...
04:12 <neostrider> unfortunatly, the 770 is a ARM 120Mhz
04:12 <_Sticky_> no other mobile phone games i have played have been 1fps on the phone
04:12 <neostrider> (well...that game ran ok on a celeron 600...but hey...the top ARM i have seen around has 320 Mhz)
04:13 <neostrider> take a look:
04:13 <neostrider> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evbAMS4b7VQ
04:13 <neostrider> its me, demonstrating a very old version of the game technologie ,right on device
04:13 <_Sticky_> heh a 320ARM probably could take a 600mhz celeron
04:14 <neostrider> the speed of the game is not very different from this
04:14 <neostrider> oh yeah...notice I use 64 bit fixed point math...and can run faster that its running
04:15 <neostrider> but on a 800x480 screen, 32 bit fixed point math looks ugly
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04:16 <_Sticky_> and the arms have a fpu?
04:16 <_Sticky_> dont the arms have an fpu even?
04:16 <neostrider> no...although linux provides a good emulation, I cant rely on it
04:16 <neostrider> I want it to run other devices too
04:17 <neostrider> I have a old but trusty Cassiopeia A-11 running Windows CE 1.0
04:17 <neostrider> I want to make some games for it
04:17 <neostrider> (of course, simpler games)
04:17 <neostrider> maybe some vector 2D games
04:17 <_Sticky_> what version arm is it?
04:17 <neostrider> on 770, 926
04:18 <neostrider> (and the Casio has a mere SuperHitachi 3 with 40 Mhz hehe)
04:20 <_Sticky_> your very dedicated to mobile games
04:20 <_Sticky_> the lack of power would piss me off
04:20 <neostrider> its the closest I can get to videogames without spending a fortune
04:20 <neostrider> the lack of power enpowers my challenge =-)
04:21 <_Sticky_> you have a pc, thats all you need
04:21 <neostrider> not for a Videgame
04:21 <neostrider> (well...XBOX has that kit, the XNA...but hey...windows...ugh)
04:21 <_Sticky_> im realy into games but have never owned a console
04:21 <neostrider> before the N-Gage, my last console was a nintendo 8bits heheh
04:22 <neostrider> and after the Gage, nothing more ;-)
04:22 <neostrider> the PC was a better plataform for me
04:22 <neostrider> quicly after the novelty of the PC games worn off (It was Doom2 time)
04:23 <neostrider> i discovered Qbasic...i needed nothing more to create some simple but fun adventures
04:26 <neostrider> well
04:26 <neostrider> thanks for the help, sticky!
04:26 <neostrider> that was a very valuable testing session
04:26 <neostrider> why, luke-jr?
04:27 <neostrider> ok...whatever you say
04:28 <_Sticky_> np neostrider
04:28 <neostrider> thanks...i must leave now...
04:28 <neostrider> good night
04:28 <_Sticky_> cya
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05:04 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: \o
05:05 <Durka> luke-jr: ;)
05:06 <Durka> kan yu halp me?
05:08 <Durka> hallo?
05:09 <Durka> luke-jr: luke-jr luke-jr luk
05:09 <Durka> seriously though
05:10 <Durka> I need to figure out the scoring distribution for 4 team fortress
05:10 <Durka> any help?
05:12 <Durka> :(
05:13 <Durka> luke-jr: ^^ :D
05:13 <Durka> no thanks :P
05:15 <Durka> :'(
05:26 * Lucifer_arma wants the semester to hurry up and start so he can start cracking on the sound engine
05:27 * Lucifer_arma has put the sound engine at the top of his todo list as soon as lecturing starts
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06:08 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: taking summer classes?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: nope
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> working. The school is giving me 36 hours/week, which is really unusual but I guess it's ok since I started so late in the fiscal year
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06:23 <GodTodd> ahhh
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> and since I'm not taking classes, there's going to be lots of time when the teacher's lecturing and I have nothing to do, or when students are doing the lab and I have nothing to do
06:24 <GodTodd> yeah, i see now :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> I get paid to be there, be available to instructors, and help them :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> what I do otherwise, as long as I"m there, is my own business
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> sourceforge is launching a tool for freelancers that I"ll make sure to register for and see if I can score some extra work
06:24 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> my supervisor told me if I can find some contract programming, I'm welcome to do it right there in the lab prep room when I'm not working for the school :)
06:25 <GodTodd> that's snazzy :)
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06:38 <Lucifer_arma> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/15/2149224&from=rss
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06:58 <anjori> Lucifer_arma around?
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> yessir, what's up?
06:59 <anjori> i'm trying to help wizz get a soccer server up in spidey's absence. but i get a map load error when trying to connect to the server
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> screenshot?
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> or copy and paste whatever's in the terminal
07:01 <anjori> it's in the server browser list, if that would be easier. FA Clan Server SoccerBall
07:02 <anjori> the server starts fine. just get an error when trying to connect in tron
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> typo in the name
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> it needs to be...
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> the s in sty is missing :)
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: ping, in case you missed it since I took 4 minutes to respond
07:08 <anjori> mm, thats what i have in the config;
07:09 <anjori> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
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07:11 <Durka> mkzelda: :D
07:11 <mkzelda> durka
07:11 <Durka> one sec
07:11 <Durka> alphabetizing it xD
07:16 <mkzelda> durka
07:16 <Durka> mkzelda:
07:16 <mkzelda> durka
07:16 <Durka> mkzelda:
07:16 <mkzelda> oh sorry my translator was off
07:16 <Durka> :P
07:17 <mkzelda> :/ i get a lot of, im the only one moving on ww :/
07:17 <mkzelda> wildfort
07:17 <Durka> lol
07:17 <Durka> http://durkadurkaland.com/4teamfortress.cfg
07:18 <Durka> ok, i gotta fix the settings
07:18 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: http://anjori.com/random/soc.png
07:18 <anjori> http://anjori.com/random/soc2.png
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it's failing on the dtd
07:19 <anjori> am i missing something? should i post server_info.cfg?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://master.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/AATeam/ <--- I don't see the pig dtd in there
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> you have to put the dtd somewhere special, but I don't know where, and it'll work
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ping
07:21 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: halp :P
07:21 <anjori> i have:
07:21 <anjori> talk_to_master 1
07:21 <anjori> Server_name 0x3399ff|FA| Clan Server – 0xffff00SoccerBall!
07:21 <anjori> ROUND_CONSOLE_MESSAGE 0x3399ffBounce the Zone into the Goal :D
07:21 <anjori> SERVER_OPTIONS grab a beer and kick a goal
07:21 <anjori> URL http://fallin-angels.net
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: if it's not finding the dtd, I can't help you, but wrtlprnft can, I think :)
07:21 <anjori> admin_pass ******
07:21 <anjori> SERVER_PORT 4534
07:21 <anjori> resource_repository_server http://dedicated.fallin-angels.net/arma/
07:21 <anjori> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
07:21 <anjori> CONSOLE_DECORATE_IP 1
07:21 <anjori> MAX_OUT_RATE 8
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, you have to put the dtd in the directory with the map, but I don't actually know
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> if you have access to one of the ctf servers spidey set up, the answer should be in there
07:23 <anjori> ill take a look
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07:25 <MrBougo> hello
07:25 <MrBougo> :)
07:25 <Durka> :)
07:25 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: !!!
07:26 <anjori> hey bougs
07:26 <MrBougo> ant!
07:26 <MrBougo> :)
07:26 <Durka> anjori: You're ant?
07:26 <Durka> :P
07:26 <anjori> indeed
07:26 <Durka> hi fellow ctf admin xD
07:26 <MrBougo> lol!
07:26 <anjori> hello there
07:26 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: -.-
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: wtf do you want?
07:26 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: :D
07:26 <Durka> ok
07:26 <MrBougo> Durka didnt know >:D
07:27 <Durka> for 4 team fortress
07:27 <Durka> what should
07:27 <Durka> FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE be
07:27 <Durka> and
07:27 <Durka> SCORE_WIN
07:27 <Durka> ^_^
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> fuck if I know
07:27 <Durka> :'(
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's what calculators are for
07:27 <Durka> i mean
07:27 <Durka> its gotta be divisible by 6
07:27 <Durka> so fortress_conquered_score 6?
07:27 <Durka> and score_win 12
07:28 <Durka> or what :D
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> take all the numbers it's gotta be divisible by and multiply them together
07:28 <MrBougo> hehe
07:28 <Durka> 2 and 3 :D
07:28 <Durka> and 1 ;)
07:28 <MrBougo> :DD
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> 2*3*6 = ?
07:28 <Durka> not 6
07:28 <MrBougo> nah
07:28 <MrBougo> 2*3=6
07:28 <Durka> 3! ;)
07:28 <Durka> 3*2*1 :D
07:28 <MrBougo> 3!
07:28 <Durka> +0 ;)
07:28 <MrBougo> /1
07:28 <Durka> so ya, 6 i guess
07:29 <Durka> what about limit_score
07:29 <Durka> 150?
07:29 <MrBougo> sqrt(36)
07:29 <Durka> limit_rounds 15?
07:29 <Durka> -.-
07:29 <MrBougo> err you want to put a limit score + limit round?
07:29 <mkzelda> sqrt(this_apartment)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> score_win * some number that gives a reasonable time period for the match?
07:29 <Durka> so ya?
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: you need them
07:29 <Durka> well normal fort is
07:29 <Durka> 10 rounds 100 points
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to use only a score limit, make limit round really high
07:29 <Durka> this is 15 rounds 150 points?
07:30 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, that's what i thought :p
07:30 <Durka> BUT
07:30 <Durka> only 1/4 chance of winning round
07:30 <Durka> BUT
07:30 <MrBougo> TER
07:30 <Durka> +6 for conquering zones
07:30 <Durka> meh, lets test it?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> not me, I'm going to bed soon
07:30 <MrBougo> note something
07:30 <Durka> score_win 12?
07:30 <Durka> :D
07:30 <Durka> k
07:30 <MrBougo> if you conquer a zone that gives you ie. 6 points
07:31 <MrBougo> then you finish the round and you get 10 points
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> if 3 teams conquer it together, each one gets 2 points
07:31 <mkzelda> sorry im def atm
07:31 <Durka> yes
07:31 <Durka> if 2, then each gets 3
07:31 <Durka> ew
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> if 2 teams together, they get 3
07:31 <Durka> odd #s
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> one team gets six
07:31 <MrBougo> 10+6 isnt dividable (divisible or whatever) by 6 and 10
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> 10+6 doesn't have to be, only the zone score has to be
07:31 <MrBougo> and four?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> four can't, it's a 4-team fortress server
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> the fourth team owns it :)
07:31 <Durka> should it be 12 for conquering zone?
07:32 <Durka> so no odd #s
07:32 <Durka> wait no
07:32 <Durka> thats still odd
07:32 <Durka> wait no
07:32 <Durka> it isnt xD
07:32 <Durka> 1 team = 12
07:32 <MrBougo> wait no
07:32 <Durka> 2 = 6
07:32 <Durka> 3 = 4
07:32 <MrBougo> 3=4
07:32 <Durka> xD
07:32 <MrBougo> 4=3
07:32 <Durka> u cant have 4
07:32 <Durka> lol
07:32 <MrBougo> mathematics NG
07:32 <MrBougo> why not?
07:32 <Durka> its only 4 teams
07:32 <MrBougo> imagine 8 ppl fighting
07:32 <MrBougo> 4/zone
07:32 <Durka> it can't conquer itself
07:32 <Durka> 4 team fortress bougy :P
07:33 <MrBougo> oh ok :p
07:33 <Durka> 12 or 24?
07:33 <MrBougo> sometimes there can be 8 with two groups of zones
07:33 <Durka> er
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> 6
07:33 <Durka> 12 or 6?
07:33 <MrBougo> lol
07:33 <Durka> 6
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> smaller scores are better so players can more easily estimate on the fly
07:33 <Durka> says the boss
07:33 <Durka> aighty
07:33 <Durka> score_win 12?
07:33 <Durka> normal is score_win 10
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that's for the match
07:33 <Durka> round
07:33 <MrBougo> haha
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so if you conquer 2 zones by yourself in one match, you win it
07:34 <Durka> limit_score is match
07:34 <Durka> silly :P
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, that's right
07:34 <Durka> xD
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'd do score_win 0
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> no camper points, make 'em go take forts
07:34 <Durka> no!
07:34 <Durka> i know
07:34 <Durka> its going to be the same as before
07:34 <MrBougo> camper points rock!
07:34 <Durka> if your zone gets conquered
07:34 <MrBougo> do it nolimit
07:34 <mkzelda> you need conquer points
07:34 <Durka> you DON'T get eradicated
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> just try to balance it against the fort zone scores, which is pretty tough (I tried it with 3 team fortress)
07:34 <Durka> ill do 12
07:35 <Durka> score_win 12
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> kill half the team at least, man :)
07:35 <Durka> keeping it relatively simple xD
07:35 <Durka> kill players in thhe server named Lucifer :D
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise there's no real penalty for losing the zone
07:35 <Durka> ya there is
07:35 <Durka> if you lose the zone
07:35 <MrBougo> make some random points script! >:DDD
07:35 <Durka> you cant win the round
07:35 <Durka> well you actually can
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you can take the other 3 zones
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> 3 * 6 = 12, compared to giving up 6 points
07:36 <Durka> 3 * 6 isnt 12
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> 18, whatever
07:36 <Durka> xD
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I use a calculator for a reason :)
07:36 <Durka> :P
07:36 <MrBougo> hey, servers with some randomness added = potentially fun
07:36 <Durka> so score_win 18?
07:36 <Durka> o_o
07:36 <Durka> no
07:36 <MrBougo> and now i'm out
07:36 <Durka> o_O
07:36 <Durka> O_o
07:36 <MrBougo> i'm out to school
07:36 <Durka> 12 ftw
07:36 <Durka> no!
07:36 <Durka> yes!
07:36 <Durka> leave! :D
07:36 <MrBougo> i'll ask my maths teacher xD
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> who wins the round if someone takes your zone, but you take the other 3, and you take the last zone?
07:37 <MrBougo> rofl
07:37 <MrBougo> me?
07:37 <MrBougo> ok bye :p
07:37 <Durka> no
07:37 <Durka> if there's one zone left
07:37 <Durka> and it isn't yours
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07:37 <Lucifer_arma> that team wins
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe no points for a zone and have it just eradicate the team
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's your server man, you figure it out. :)
07:38 <Durka> that team wins
07:38 <Durka> lol ^^
07:38 <Durka> lets test it out i guess
07:39 <Durka> heh
07:39 <Durka> people liked it last summer
07:39 <Durka> a lot
07:39 <Durka> (when lucifer was hiding and never played)
07:39 <Durka> but it needs a european hoster
07:40 <Durka> since no euros play on us servers
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> mostly clear my ass! I'm in the middle of a thunderstorm!
07:40 * Lucifer_arma kicks the weather notifier firefox plugin
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
07:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 68.9°F (12:38 AM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising).
07:42 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft :D I have the 4 team fortress settings. Since Team Sumo Saloon and Sumo Bar are running the same settings atm (speaking of that, I suggest you NOT using my team sumo map for the settings, and instead the teamsumo.cfg file). Anyways, they're running the same settings, so, maybe you could turn Team Sumo Saloon into 4 Team Fortress Lounge (or something ;) ) for a bit?
07:42 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
07:45 <Durka> #m wrtlprnft http://durkadurkaland.com/teamsumo.cfg || http://durkadurkaland.com/4teamfortress.cfg
07:45 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
07:48 <Durka> armabot: say something about what i just uploaded xD
07:48 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
07:48 <Durka> ^_^
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07:54 <mkzelda> #lastseen samu
07:54 <armabot> mkzelda: Samu seems to be on Brandon Likes Boys right now.
07:54 <mkzelda> heh
07:55 <mkzelda> #server brandon
07:55 <mkzelda> what is it?
07:55 <mkzelda> #serverinfo brandon
07:55 <armabot> mkzelda: Brandon Likes Boys: Players (3/16): grissy, Samu, Wocka
07:58 <Durka> ok, im putting my server up
07:59 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
07:59 <armabot> Durka: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “{by” at the moment, sorry.
07:59 <Durka> 4 Team Fortress {by Durka}
07:59 <Durka> check it out
08:00 <Durka> damn, the bots pwn
08:03 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
08:03 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress {by Ðúrkå/xff0000}: No online players.
08:03 <Durka> yay
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08:05 <mkzelda> damn map load errors
08:05 <Durka> really?
08:05 <Durka> #serverinfo {by
08:05 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress {by Ðúrkå/xff0000}: No online players.
08:05 <Durka> still up, good
08:05 <Durka> hmm
08:06 <Durka> i saw ur attempt to login
08:06 <mkzelda> what does ERROR: Return value 503 != 200. mean?
08:06 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: ^^
08:06 <Durka> :P
08:06 <Durka> DrJoeTron: try connecting
08:06 <mkzelda> i got that on another server too
08:06 <mkzelda> tho wild fort was fine
08:06 <Durka> it can't be the map
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but...
08:06 <Durka> because i didn't have it in my resource folder
08:06 <DrJoeTron> but what if i'm *seen* there
08:06 <DrJoeTron> :I
08:06 <mkzelda> it happens when i try to dl it
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: it means you got a 503 error instead of a 200 success when your client tried to get the map
08:06 <mkzelda> change your name
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> #google 503 error apache
08:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.12 seconds: Apache Error Message - Member's Area - WestHost Inc.: <http://members.westhost.com/sm_sa_tools_apache.html>; [Pkg-mono-devel] Re: mod_mono, apache2 and 503 Service Temporarily ...: <http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mono-devel/2005-February/000367.html>; Apache /Tomcat returning Error 503: <http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t133436 (3 more messages)
08:07 <mkzelda> not in cache, dling, downloading 503
08:07 <Durka> it wasn't in my cache either
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that's "service temporarily unavailable"
08:07 <Durka> but it downloaded fine
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> usually dns problems
08:07 <Durka> same with joe
08:08 <mkzelda> works when i fetch via firefox
08:08 <mkzelda> so its arma problem
08:11 <mkzelda> could it be this...
08:11 <mkzelda> MAP_FILE Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml(http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/Durka/4teamfortress/map-1.aamap.xml)
08:11 <mkzelda> isnt it MAP_FILE_URI http:// ...?
08:12 <Durka> no
08:12 <Durka> everyone else is downloading it fine
08:12 <mkzelda> oh :(
08:12 <mkzelda> ive had this prob on other machines b4
08:13 <Durka> save the map off manually
08:13 <Durka> and come play
08:14 <Durka> we got a 3 ppl :P
08:15 <mkzelda> oh man, does arma use wget?
08:17 <Durka> i can send u the file if you're that lazy lol
08:17 <mkzelda> Resolving resource.armagetronad.net... 88.198.22.100, 65.30.29.106, 24.145.246.99, ...
08:17 <mkzelda> Connecting to resource.armagetronad.net|88.198.22.100|:80... connected.
08:17 <mkzelda> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable
08:17 <mkzelda> 02:15:05 ERROR 503: Service Unavailable.
08:18 <mkzelda> i hit that when i use wget
08:18 <mkzelda> but i can snag it with firefox
08:18 <mkzelda> which is why im asking
08:18 <mkzelda> its not bc im lazy
08:19 <mkzelda> i dunno, i was able to dl maps fine on wild fort
08:30 <mkzelda> :(
08:30 <Durka> back up
08:30 <mkzelda> why? im fine where i am
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08:37 <Durka> z-man: :D
08:53 <Durka> wrtlprnft: if you insist, ill change it xD
08:53 <wrtlprnft> i changed i myself already on my server
08:54 <Durka> wrtlprnft:
08:54 <Durka> team_max_players 8
08:54 <Durka> i guess
08:54 <Durka> 32 person server ;)
08:55 <Durka> and server_options says team sumo
08:55 * Durka stops being picky and thanks wrtl tons :P
08:57 <mkzelda> 4 team fort saloon?
08:57 <wrtlprnft> Durka: set it to 5
08:57 <Durka> nice
08:58 <wrtlprnft> and removed the “team sumo” in the options, will take effect on next restart
08:59 <Durka> xD
09:00 <Durka> the only thing i'm worried about is limit_score and limit_rounds
09:01 <wrtlprnft> it should be like in your config
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10:49 <dsop> n/wc
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12:07 <ed_> window
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12:41 <ed_> is it just me, or are the forums down?
12:43 <guru3-uni> that's true... the forums wouldn't be very happy right now
12:44 <guru3-uni> better get on and disable them
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12:47 <guru3-uni> ahahah the firealarm test was about an hour late D:
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13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/square/tunnel-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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13:47 <epsy> hi
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13:52 <kidanger> epsy: D'après toi, pour un serveur qui lag, le mieux c'est sumo settings ou DF ?
14:09 <epsy> guru3, why did you put forums down ?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ?
14:16 <guru3> there was an issue, it's been resolved
14:16 <guru3> i think
14:18 <wrtlprnft> i can access the forums
14:18 <guru3> i just re-enabled them
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14:39 <MrBougo> hello
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14:47 <Bougo> yelo
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15:35 <akira_> lol some idiots try to ride on winZip
15:35 <akira_> winzix O.o
15:36 <akira_> the ultimate compression.. turns you 500 kB file into a 501kB
15:36 <MrBougo> wtf?
15:36 <akira_> the prog comes with a trojan
15:36 <akira_> :=
15:37 <akira_> :)
15:37 <akira_> ads/spyware presumably
15:37 <MrBougo> wtf
15:37 <akira_> and ultimate compression is just adding a header/footer to the file
15:38 <akira_> www.winzix.com
15:38 <akira_> the site is clean
15:38 <MrBougo> i see that
15:38 <MrBougo> most of sites like that are clean :p
15:38 <MrBougo> and it's designed for linux
15:38 <MrBougo> it looks way cleaner with "linux" on it
15:38 <akira_> hehe
15:39 <akira_> they already started to seed *.zixed torrents
15:44 <kidanger> epsy: re, Il y a quoi de "facile" à faire comme map rotation ?
15:54 <epsy> kidanger, euhh
15:54 <epsy> t'entends quoi apr « facile » ? ^^
15:56 <kidanger> bah MAP_ROTATION(la comande), c'est facile, mais si on part sur des scripts ou du Python ( c'est peu être pareil...) ba... c'est pas la peine
15:57 <epsy> ça dépend de ce que tu veux faire
15:57 <kidanger> ba juste une map rotation et pourquoi pas une config roattion
15:57 <kidanger> rotation*
15:58 <epsy> tu compte changer la liste des maps souvent ou ,
15:58 <epsy> ?
15:58 <kidanger> oui je pense
15:59 <epsy> je me souviens avoir foutu qq part un truc qui fait config et map
15:59 <epsy> att
15:59 <epsy> c sur linux ?
15:59 <kidanger> oui
15:59 <epsy> est-ce que t'as php ?
15:59 <kidanger> jconnais pas
16:00 <epsy> bah il faut php et mysql pour qu'il marche
16:00 <kidanger> Il faut quel logiciel ?
16:01 <epsy> php et mysql
16:01 <kidanger> ok
16:01 <kidanger> bah
16:01 <kidanger> ya rien qui puisse les remplacé ?
16:02 <epsy> à moins de porter le script, non
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16:03 <epsy> guru3, ( guru3_ ) ty
16:06 <kidanger> epsy: tu as un lien ?
16:10 <MrBougo> j'ai vu un chouette truc
16:10 <MrBougo> XAMMP
16:10 <MrBougo> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
16:10 <MrBougo> Many people know from their own experience that it's not easy to install an Apache web server and it gets harder if you want to add MySQL, PHP and Perl.
16:10 <MrBougo> XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. XAMPP is really very easy to install and to use - just download, extract and start.
16:10 <MrBougo> :)
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16:12 <epsy> kidanger, nan c sur mon ordi xD
16:12 <epsy> hay luke-jr
16:13 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: ping
16:13 <luke-jr|work> hi epsy
16:24 <kidanger> MrBougo: Thanks, I download it
16:24 <MrBougo> i've never tested this
16:24 <MrBougo> but i know apache is indeed difficult to instal
16:24 <MrBougo> i've once tried it
16:24 <epsy> really ?
16:24 <MrBougo> yup
16:24 <epsy> i dont mind it's difficult to install
16:24 <MrBougo> and it turned out to be useless for me :
16:24 <MrBougo> :p*
16:25 <MrBougo> heh, it isnt *that* difficult
16:25 <MrBougo> but i hate doing stuff without understanding what i'm doing
16:26 <MrBougo> quicktime alternative roxszs
16:26 <epsy> MrBougo, delire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> no, why?
16:27 <epsy> MrBougo, !delire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> quicktime suxszs
16:27 <MrBougo> but the alternative one is :DDD
16:27 <epsy> MrBougo, !delire !nodelire ?
16:27 <MrBougo> whatcha mean?
16:28 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
16:28 <armabot> epsy: !delire !nodelire: No online players.
16:28 <epsy> ^^
16:28 <MrBougo> what the hell
16:28 <MrBougo> rofl
16:28 <epsy> still working xD
16:28 <MrBougo> i didnt know what you wre talking about
16:28 <epsy> i saw xD
16:29 <MrBougo> #serverinfo delire
16:29 <armabot> MrBougo: !delire !nodelire: No online players.
16:34 <luke-jr|work> http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/graphics/crime_zone.gif
16:36 <MrBougo> #lastseen bougo
16:36 <armabot> MrBougo: Mr. Bougo seems to be on !delire !nodelire right now.
16:36 <kidanger> !nodelire
16:37 * MrBougo is now playing: DJ Eureka - Macionis (D I G I T A L L Y - I M P O R T E D - European Trance, Techno, Hi-NRG... we can't define it!)
16:37 <MrBougo> no way
16:37 * MrBougo is now playing: Epsy - I am BATMAN MAN !
16:37 <MrBougo> either
16:38 <MrBougo> 40 millions units of Vista sold
16:38 <MrBougo> we are doomed
16:38 <luke-jr|work> ew
16:38 * epsy doesn't care
16:38 <epsy> why does this password this always break ?
16:38 <kidanger> ( Installation en cour
16:39 <kidanger> )
16:39 <epsy> arr yeah it's because i fucked up args extractling -.-
16:39 <MrBougo> because you are BATMAN MAN
16:39 <MrBougo> !!!!1
16:39 <MrBougo> #realchatlogs
16:39 <armabot> MrBougo: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
16:40 <MrBougo> #last --with compared
16:40 <armabot> MrBougo: [07:35:41] <Lucifer_arma> 3 * 6 = 12, compared to giving up 6 points
16:40 <MrBougo> :DDDD
16:42 <epsy> lol
16:47 <kidanger> err
16:49 <kidanger> petit problème: je fais /opt/lampp/lampp start
16:51 <kidanger> et ca fait:
16:51 <kidanger> Starting XAMPP for Linux 1.6.1...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Starting MySQL...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP: Starting ProFTPD...
16:51 <kidanger> XAMPP for Linux started.
16:52 <kidanger> mais après ...
16:52 <kidanger> On peut rien faire ?
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17:02 <kidanger> epsy: Après il faut faire quoi ?
17:03 <kidanger> Il faut un éditeur ?
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17:13 <MrBougo> aplà je ne peux plus t'aider
17:14 <MrBougo> consulte la doc
17:14 <epsy> et ça installe où ton truc ?
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17:18 <epsy> MrBougo, est-ce que ça installe phpmyadmin ? xD
17:18 <MrBougo> je crois pas
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17:39 <MrBougo> bye
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18:17 <rain_who> does anybody have debian here?
18:22 <P4> rain_who: i got one copy :}
18:22 <P4> etch :}
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18:24 <rain_who> yea, i've got etch, i was looking for cli boot instead of gdm logon, already solved, thx
18:24 <P4> ok :}
18:24 <P4> gdm is nice, but entrance is better i think :D
18:25 <P4> #tea
18:25 <armabot> P4: Fortress Café: No online players.
18:26 <rain_who> entrance?
18:26 <P4> yes, from englightenment.org :}
18:26 <P4> enlightenment.org *
18:26 <rain_who> what about it? is it lighter?
18:26 <P4> elive, it's debian etch with e16/e17
18:27 <P4> it is lightweight but is it lighther thn gdm... could be
18:28 * epsy notes entrances is *unstable*
18:28 <rain_who> hmm, im looking for a really lightweight desktop manager
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18:28 <P4> http://xcomputerman.com/pages/images/entrance_darkrock.png <=- take a look
18:28 <rain_who> hmm, epsy doesn't agree ;)
18:28 <luke-jr|work> kdm works
18:28 <epsy> http://xcomputerman.com/pages/images/entrance_default.png
18:29 <epsy> (this shot is nicer :P )
18:29 <P4> :}
18:29 <epsy> rain_who, i had big problems with it a while ago
18:29 <P4> anyway it's light and unstable (testing:})
18:29 <epsy> didn't tried since that
18:29 <P4> what problems?
18:29 <epsy> 1/entrance wasn't booting
18:30 <rain_who> luke: is it lighter than gnome?
18:30 <epsy> 2/ the login prompt was buggying(uh uh uh)
18:30 <epsy> 3/ when killing it, i had half of my processes gone with it
18:30 <epsy> that was a while ago with the gentoo ebuild
18:31 <P4> dunno epsy :} i haven't got any probles few years ago, maybe because i was trying elive ;}
18:31 <epsy> (still worked fine on etch, apart sessions which aren't detected correctly)
18:32 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: it works
18:32 <epsy> lol
18:32 <luke-jr|work> if you need light, use startx
18:32 <P4> hehe, it works on powerfull pCs ;}
18:33 <P4> change runlevel to 2 and enjoy textmode consoles :}
18:33 <epsy> :o)
18:33 <epsy> did you tried qingy ?
18:33 <P4> what'sthat?
18:34 <rain_who> luke: the fact is i am a noob in linux, this is the second week and im still not understanding how to use xorg without gnome
18:34 <epsy> a replacement to agetty/getty
18:34 <P4> Qingy Is Not GettY
18:34 <P4> :}
18:34 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: ...
18:34 <luke-jr|work> GNOME sucks
18:34 <rain_who> indeed
18:34 <epsy> dont trust him
18:34 <P4> gnome's better than kde :}
18:35 <rain_who> but that is how debian come, with gnome
18:35 <epsy> gnome is good, kde is good, e17 is better
18:35 <epsy> xD
18:35 <P4> rain_who: you can choose window manager during debian install ;]
18:35 <rain_who> well, im talking about a dual 433 celeron guys...
18:35 <epsy> or if you install it yourself thru synaptic
18:35 <P4> dual core 433MHz? :P
18:35 <epsy> lol! xD
18:36 <P4> yea synaptic pwns in gfx mode :}
18:36 <epsy> that's one of the best things there is in debian
18:36 <rain_who> yes, 433MHz 512sdram
18:36 <epsy> apt and synaptic
18:36 <P4> epsy: try poldek from PLD :D
18:37 <epsy> i never tried pld
18:37 <epsy> should do that someday
18:37 <epsy> when i finished that stupid script
18:37 <P4> PLD is good for server purpose, it's stable, secure and polish :D
18:37 <epsy> polished or polish ? xD
18:37 <P4> polish :}
18:37 <rain_who> so, how do i use xorg without running gnome?
18:38 <epsy> :D
18:38 <epsy> rain_who, open synaptic and install kde
18:38 <rain_who> ...
18:38 <P4> rain_who: edit your config script in home_dir
18:38 <epsy> then select kde in gdm
18:38 <P4> `then just run startx :}
18:38 <epsy> oh
18:38 <epsy> brb
18:38 <P4> place in your config lines like exec gnome or exec startkde or similiar
18:38 <rain_who> i do want xorg basic, not kde or gnome, none of them
18:38 <P4> the best way is exec xterm :}
18:39 <epsy> xorg basic is nothing
18:39 <P4> exec xterm then and run application from terminal window
18:39 <epsy> just a damn horrible-looking grid
18:39 <P4> and greate X mouse pointer :}
18:40 <epsy> ah yeah i forgot, and a cross cursor
18:40 <rain_who> well, i really dont mind about how it looks, i do need the fastest way to use desktop
18:41 <rain_who> how can i run natural xorg?
18:41 <P4> startx, but edit your rc file first
18:42 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: xorg by itself is just a static screen
18:42 <rain_who> where is it located?
18:42 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: no window borders, no taskbar, etc
18:42 <rain_who> luke: cannot i run programs from there?
18:42 <P4> rain_who: it's in your homedirectory, create one if it's misisng
18:42 <P4> `but i just forgote the name
18:43 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: nope
18:43 <rain_who> so, what is the use of it?
18:43 <luke-jr|work> it provides the windowing interface for KDE :p
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18:44 <akira_> greets
18:44 <akira_> drjoe are you awake?
18:44 <rain_who> so no way. anything lighter than kde?
18:44 <P4> rain_who: $HOME/xorg.conf
18:45 <luke-jr|work> rain_who: twm perhaps
18:45 <P4> create that file and place there a line: exec xterm (install xterm fisrt)
18:45 <luke-jr|work> if you want to go mad
18:45 <P4> then run startx (it should overwrite your default WM)
18:45 <P4> if your system starts in graphical mode, change runlevel to 2
18:45 <rain_who> go mad?
18:46 <epsy> twm sux -.-
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18:46 <P4> twm is better than kde :}
18:46 <epsy> if you want a good and light wm, use E
18:46 <P4> yes, E pwns... but it's still under high developement :}
18:46 <rain_who> lol, who to trust
18:46 <epsy> me
18:47 <P4> rain_who: if you just need to work with as light as you can - choose startx with xterm (no WM)
18:47 <epsy> (which is pretty impossible to use
18:47 <P4> if you want some comfort, choose some lightweight WM
18:48 <P4> epsy: i worked for over 4 months using only xterm in X11 ;}
18:48 <P4> but yes, it is damn uncomfortable
18:48 <epsy> how do you switch window ?
18:48 <luke-jr|work> kde pwns
18:48 <rain_who> LOL!
18:48 <epsy> no, e pwns
18:48 <P4> what you mean? i got desktop with few windows there :} i could move one to see another :P
18:49 <P4> kde is for powerfull PCs
18:49 <epsy> P4, how do you even *move* a window ????
18:49 <P4> alt+lefclick+move
18:49 <P4> :}
18:49 <P4> altgr (sorry) :}
18:49 <epsy> i tough it never worked
18:49 <luke-jr|work> e pwns as a letter in kde
18:49 <epsy> altgr ? lol
18:49 <P4> no no, leftalt is alt or altgr?
18:50 <epsy> normally you can drap a window with alt+move
18:50 <epsy> (left click move
18:50 <P4> yes :}
18:50 <P4> it works without any WM :}
18:50 <epsy> :o
18:50 <rain_who> hm
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18:51 <luke-jr|work> it does?
18:51 <P4> afair it does
18:51 <epsy> luke-jr|work, try in kde
18:55 <luke-jr|work> epsy: I know it works in KDE
19:02 <vinavil> what about xfce?
19:04 <P4> vinavil: http://homepage.mac.com/sao1/fink/wmanagers.html
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20:17 <vinavil> xfce4 seems much better than gnome
20:25 <vinavil> #list
20:25 <armabot> vinavil: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:25 <vinavil> #help
20:25 <armabot> vinavil: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:25 <epsy> what do you want for a command ?
20:25 <vinavil> i forgot the translation command :)
20:26 <epsy> #t fr en c'est cette commande
20:26 <armabot> epsy: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:26 <epsy> pfft
20:26 <vinavil> LOL!
20:26 <vinavil> #t italian english francamente
20:26 <armabot> vinavil: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:26 <vinavil> hm
20:27 <vinavil> #t
20:27 <armabot> vinavil: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
20:27 <epsy> if you want a signle word i would recommend you this:
20:27 <vinavil> #t italian to english francamente
20:27 <vinavil> what?
20:28 <armabot> vinavil: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
20:28 <epsy> http://www.sensagent.com/dictionnaires/
20:28 <vinavil> well, i would use "real" dictionary :)
20:28 <epsy> well, that one is *very* good i would say
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20:50 <epsy> *grmpf* i'm lost
20:51 <epsy> oh
20:51 * epsy seems to not remember about maprotation :o)
20:51 <P4> :}
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21:03 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): CTT|safarizone, CT×´nreal, endos, paul, Weissi, wT:r|Tµ¡kêr, [nrx], ~ X ~, ¦Ö¦Qico, °@msterdam° sof, °°dmo
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22:01 <bushblows> hello
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22:24 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:24 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.9°F (3:20 PM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 32.0°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Rising).
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: what?
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22:45 <Lucifer_arma> besides it being a pain in the ass and having a number of legal requirements?
22:47 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu83w-156034152127.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> quarterly meetings, state business requirements, etc
22:47 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> if you're just one person and your income is below 100k, I wouldn't set up a corporation
22:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain. Amount 20 to 30 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h gusting to 40. Low plus 2.; Thursday - Showers ending in the morning then cloudy. Amount 2 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming north 20 in the morning. High 7. UV (1 more message)
22:49 <Vanhayes> #more
22:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: index 3 or moderate. Thursday night..cloudy. 60 percent chance of showers overnight. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low plus 3.; Friday - Periods of rain. High 9.;
23:09 <ghableska> #tea
23:09 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): $Ås¶u k3nNy.sO, hoop, ikono, Sithy, Tîfer, ©T¦¶3
23:09 <vinavil> i think im too sensitive for armagetron
23:10 <vinavil> teens haven't got heart
23:11 <vinavil> but i still cannot ignore
23:11 <vinavil> it is not in my human possibilities
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23:28 <ghableska> :o
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23:30 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:30 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): $Ås¶u angry n:, G5, hoop, KeY_3113, mr tickle, Mr. Big Pickle, Tîger, Wake, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy
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00:12 <mkzelda> http://mashup1.ytmnd.com/
00:13 <mkzelda> haha
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00:19 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6662213.stm <-- and I thought this sort of thing only happened in Texas
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00:28 <Vanhayes> hmm, is there anyway to split up spawn points for a team?
00:37 <_Sticky_> heh well excluding babies from americas vital well armed militia would be agest
00:40 <DrJoeTron> we're forming a militia?
00:41 <_Sticky_> well thats why you are allowed arms...so you can maintain a militia and not require a standing army
00:42 <_Sticky_> also note America haa the largest standing army in to world
00:42 <_Sticky_> too many typos
00:48 <_Sticky_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH-c3IuhWf0 ... fantastic
00:53 <_Sticky_> alwayes with the god stuff
00:58 <_Sticky_> clearly self-defense does not require easily conceilable hand guns..why not just leigalise rifles/shot guns so you can defend your home then get rid of hand guns
01:05 <Vanhayes> what would the gangs use to defend their territory then?
01:06 <_Sticky_> true the gangs right to protect themselfes from being diss'ed probably is protected in the constitution somewhere
01:11 <Vanhayes> why would you need to carry a gun on your person?
01:12 <Vanhayes> you carry a gun on you whenerver you go out?
01:12 <_Sticky_> you cant count walking around with a gun as part of self defense
01:12 <_Sticky_> wow
01:12 <Vanhayes> wow thats, uh , cool
01:12 <_Sticky_> youre insane
01:13 <Vanhayes> do you get harrassed that often?
01:14 <Vanhayes> i will never need a gun, since I dont hunt
01:14 <_Sticky_> quick incident from South africa: two guys start shooting at each other at a train station, everyone in the vicinity take cover and start shooting by the end 12 are dead and noone knew why it started, since the first guys got shot and everyone else just kept shooting at each other
01:15 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Vanhayes
01:15 <_Sticky_> so can i go out and get drunk with a gun luke-jr?
01:16 <Vanhayes> blasphamy
01:16 <_Sticky_> dear lord
01:16 <Vanhayes> you are dead to me
01:16 <vinavil> how do you explain most countries people walk around withour guns?
01:16 <Vanhayes> DEAD
01:16 <vinavil> false
01:16 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: MABEY but they have low murder rates
01:17 <Vanhayes> so is there a way to edit something once it is uploaded to the repository
01:17 <Vanhayes> hmm
01:18 <Vanhayes> so.. id just change the version to 0.1.1 if it was 0.1.0?
01:18 <_Sticky_> you are more likely to get mugged in london than NY but i would prefer to be mugged in london as the chances of them having a gun are almost nill
01:18 <Vanhayes> most of the crime in canada is drunk driving and drugs
01:19 <_Sticky_> alot when it carries 10 extra years on the sentance
01:19 <Vanhayes> armed robbery
01:19 <Vanhayes> aposed to theft
01:20 <vinavil> luke-jr: human is unique animal that kills his own kind, self-defense is a insane way to be aggressive without anything concrete needed to be, it is a mania which americans are famous for
01:20 <_Sticky_> well the uk gun deaths are non existant compaired to USA so yes gun prohibition does work
01:20 <vinavil> lol
01:20 <vinavil> sure it is
01:21 <vinavil> false
01:21 <vinavil> have you ever read something about?
01:22 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Vanhayes
01:22 <vinavil> language isnt the only what to communicate your thought
01:22 <Vanhayes> hmm, so no one knows if there is a way to change where part of the team spawns
01:22 <_Sticky_> i would disagree that killing ones own species is purely human
01:22 <mkzelda> ya its not
01:23 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: ever see a chimp through poo? thats pretty abstract
01:23 <mkzelda> killing ones own species is not limited to humans
01:23 <Vanhayes> nope thats pretty much any animal
01:24 <vinavil> luke-jr: how do you think an animal could know if you have abstract thought?
01:24 <mkzelda> luke-jr knows that animals cant have abstract thought b/c he communicates with them
01:24 <_Sticky_> oh dear we are about 3 posts away from the evolution argument again
01:24 <Vanhayes> coacoa knew 200 words in sign, knew the signs and what the signs meant
01:25 <vinavil> designed? lol
01:25 <z-man> Evolution!
01:25 <mkzelda> lol
01:25 <z-man> (just for the three post prediction :) )
01:25 <vinavil> where do you come from luke-jr?
01:25 <vinavil> no, really
01:25 <mkzelda> kansas
01:25 <mkzelda> they have some crazy water there
01:25 <_Sticky_> this dosent change the fact that allowing people to carry guns anywhere to protect themselfs is insane
01:26 <Vanhayes> well before this goes too far, is there no way to split up a team's spawn points?
01:26 <mkzelda> actually ppl need guns
01:26 <vinavil> so americans really trust in god? like in movies?
01:26 <Vanhayes> z-man: is there anyway to split up where a team spawns?
01:27 <mkzelda> yes, all americans are exactly like luke-jr, like all europeans think
01:27 <mkzelda> americans are only physical
01:27 <Vanhayes> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-0.1.1.aamap.xml - I wanted to try to get half the team in each fortress map
01:27 <vinavil> pagan? like ancient greeks?
01:27 <Vanhayes> anything not true christian=pagan
01:27 <Vanhayes> er catholic* sorry
01:28 <vinavil> lol?
01:28 <mkzelda> luke-jr no diff between christian and catholic?
01:28 <Vanhayes> right the only true chritian is a catholic I forgot
01:28 <vinavil> lol!
01:28 <mkzelda> i was just at the catholic church and they made me take a survey
01:28 <mkzelda> and it asked if i was christian or catholic
01:28 <mkzelda> or some other choices
01:29 <_Sticky_> heh the catholic in my office keeps asking why i support satan
01:30 <vinavil> it is not the same, not for catholics
01:30 <z-man> Vanhayes: no, a team will always spawn together.
01:30 <z-man> You can loosen up the formation with settings, spread them further.
01:31 <vinavil> luke.jr: ... learn Italian please
01:31 <vinavil> bene
01:31 <mkzelda> b/c satan parties hard
01:31 <vinavil> come dicevo
01:31 <Vanhayes> hmm, could you do that with only one side or would it have to be with both?
01:31 <mkzelda> for you europeans: not all americans are kompletely krazy katholics
01:31 <vinavil> i cattolici sono solo una parte dei cristiani
01:31 <_Sticky_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdocQHsPCNM fantastic vid
01:32 <vinavil> i cristiani possono essere cattolici, protestanti, ebrei
01:32 <vinavil> etc etc
01:32 <z-man> Vanhayes: it'll be on both sides.
01:32 <vinavil> no, loro protestano contro la chiesa del vaticano
01:32 <mkzelda> who burns humans?
01:33 <vinavil> non quella di cristo
01:33 <mkzelda> am i like really lagged or something?
01:33 <vinavil> non so che significhi
01:34 <vinavil> in ogni caso io non sono ne cattolico ne protestante
01:34 <mkzelda> why doesnt someone go burn satan
01:34 <mkzelda> he sounds like an asshole
01:34 <vinavil> luke-jr: Italian
01:34 <vinavil> luke-jr: no
01:34 <vinavil> i dont mind
01:35 <vinavil> non esiste una lingua standard
01:35 <vinavil> dal momento che non esiste un paese standard
01:35 <vinavil> anche se gli stati uniti d'america vorrebbero esserlo
01:35 <mkzelda> satan is just a mythical creature in those childhoold storytales like santa, the easter bunny and jesus
01:36 <mkzelda> i have proof
01:36 <mkzelda> its all in a book
01:36 <mkzelda> THE BOOK
01:36 <mkzelda> to rule all others
01:36 <mkzelda> actually, i am right
01:36 <mkzelda> i know so, its in a book
01:36 <vinavil> neanche i brasiliani credono in satana
01:36 <mkzelda> and its the only real book
01:36 <_Sticky_> one book to rule them all one book to find them ...
01:36 <mkzelda> youll find out you're wrong when you die
01:37 <vinavil> vedi? un altra maniera di essere cristiani, ma non cattolici
01:37 <mkzelda> and ill be laughing from my 65536th layer of heaven
01:38 <vinavil> quindi siete tutti credenti? che gente strana, pensavo i credenti esistessero solo in america ed in italia, invece poi ci sono pure in polonia, in russia, dappertutto. è un'invasione
01:38 <mkzelda> no wai
01:39 <vinavil> nessun ateo qui?
01:40 <vinavil> a proposito di scimmie parlanti, leggevo un articolo del the economist qualche tempo fa, ma voi americani siete ancora creazionisti?
01:40 <vinavil> probabilmente sì
01:41 <vinavil> che strana cosa
01:41 <mkzelda> whats all this howler monkey stuff?
01:41 <mkzelda> multiple personality disorder?
01:42 <vinavil> vuole dimostrare che gli animali non hanno pensiero astratto tramite battute su scimmie parlanti. evidentemente lo insegnano nelle scuole americane
01:43 <vinavil> è divertente, finché non capisci il lato drammatico della cosa
01:43 <mkzelda> deflection is a convenience often utilized by those unable to properly argue
01:44 <_Sticky_> just pop a cap at him luke-jr, that will sort him out
01:44 <vinavil> un paese che pretende di "sviluppare" paesi "sottosviluppati" e si affida ad una credenza vecchia 2000 anni è poco credibile
01:45 <vinavil> sticky: è stato lui ad affermare che io dovrei "imparare l'Inglese". se non apprezza il mio sforzo nel parlare la SUA lingua, perché dovrei farlo?
01:46 <vinavil> evidentemente non si rende conto della difficoltà, essendo l'inglese la sua lingua nativa
01:47 <vinavil> vedi luke, dato che io ti capisco perfettamente, il problema non è mio. io posso decidere se farmi capire o no, se tu che non puoi :)
01:48 <vinavil> quando saprai l'italiano allora parleremo di quanto tu non lo sappia parlare bene
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01:49 <neostrider> hello folks
01:49 <vinavil> buona sera
01:49 <vinavil> dici a me?
01:50 <_Sticky_> hay neostrider
01:50 <neostrider> no..and you?
01:50 <neostrider> show me some of your really godly-code, please? I beg
01:50 <_Sticky_> vinavil: can you repeate what you said in english?
01:50 <_Sticky_> to me that is
01:50 <neostrider> I must learn from your great mind
01:50 <neostrider> fake divinity!
01:51 <neostrider> how is it going, _Sticky_ ?
01:51 <_Sticky_> ok
01:51 <z-man> Who gave luke the howler monkey?
01:52 <_Sticky_> can we progam armabot to kick on the word howler
01:52 <vinavil> sticky: no, dammi un buon motivo.
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01:52 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: what is he saying?
01:52 <neostrider> "give me a good reason"
01:53 <neostrider> you smarty
01:53 <neostrider> hehehe
01:53 <z-man> #m wrtlprnft can armabot kick people on saying specific words? If so, make "howler monkey" one of them, please :)
01:53 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
01:53 <_Sticky_> heh
01:53 <neostrider> luke-jr, have honnor to test it
01:54 * z-man goes to bed and doesn't really care what luke does with his monkey
01:54 * neostrider is bored
01:54 * neostrider shove the monkey!
01:55 * neostrider vaporizes the monkey
01:55 <vinavil> brutta serata per la povera scimmia
01:55 <neostrider> nem tanto
01:55 <neostrider> ele mereceu
01:57 <vinavil> probabilmente se le scimmie parlassero, come vorrebbe luke, non dimostrerebbero la loro intelligenza, ma la loro follia, come hanno fatto gli esseri umani
01:57 <neostrider> _Sticky_ , is he always that stupid (both in the moron and in the manners way)?
01:57 <neostrider> vinavil...apenas os simios se entendem...
01:58 <_Sticky_> hes ok, you two dont seem to have hit it off, me and him dont agree on almost any issue but still...hes ok
01:58 <vinavil> spagnolo o portoghese?
01:58 <neostrider> vinavil, portugues ;-)
01:58 <vinavil> immaginavo
01:58 <vinavil> mi padre vive in brasile
01:58 <neostrider> vinavil , italiano?
01:58 <vinavil> sì
01:58 <neostrider> onde?
01:58 <vinavil> bologna
01:59 <vinavil> o forse chiedevi di mio padre?
01:59 <neostrider> digo, seu pai
01:59 <_Sticky_> luke-jr: never played glob 2
01:59 <neostrider> sim
02:00 <_Sticky_> duno
02:00 <neostrider> luke-jr, get used to it...you will probably do that a lot in the future
02:00 <vinavil> ah, belo horizonte (MG)
02:00 <vinavil> tu di dove sei?
02:00 * _Sticky_ checks out glob
02:01 * neostrider sits on the floor ,lotus position, and starts summoning
02:01 <neostrider> vinavil , Rio de Janeiro
02:01 <vinavil> oh, bello, ci sono stato qualche tempo fa
02:02 <_Sticky_> hmm ok
02:02 <neostrider> vinavil ... some things I cant understand quite directly ;-)
02:03 <vinavil> è normale, non preoccuparti, non dirò nulla di imperdibile o illuminante
02:03 <_Sticky_> woo kubuntu++ for having glob 2 packages in the repos
02:03 <vinavil> ho già esaurito le sentenze prima che tu arrivassi ;)
02:04 <neostrider> vinavil... isso eu entendi
02:04 <vinavil> luke-jr: i found xfce4 quite good
02:05 <neostrider> im more a blackbox/fluxbox guy ...
02:05 <neostrider> but gnome is my main enviroment
02:05 <vinavil> gnome is really too heavy for my machine
02:05 <neostrider> whats your machine?
02:05 <_Sticky_> ahh this looks familiar...i played glob 1
02:05 <_Sticky_> i sucked
02:06 <vinavil> dual 433MHz - 512SDRAM
02:06 <neostrider> try blackbox...it will just rock
02:06 <vinavil> it has almost 10 years
02:06 <neostrider> I used it on a old notebook: celeron 600, 128 RAM, no swap
02:06 <vinavil> i'll take a look
02:08 <neostrider> if you are not to use bleeding edge stuff, i might enjoy Damn Small Linux
02:08 <neostrider> *you might enjoy
02:11 <vinavil> faccio una settimana di prova con xfce, poi provo blackbox. ma ti dirò, mi trovo abbastanza bene
02:12 <neostrider> podes também tentar WindowMaker
02:12 <neostrider> feito por brasileiro
02:14 <vinavil> ed è solo in brasiliano? :?
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02:15 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.6°F (7:15 PM CDT on May 16, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Rising).
02:16 <vinavil> ghableska: always worried about weather? are you waiting a big storm?
02:16 <ghableska> heh
02:16 <ghableska> no, not really
02:16 <vinavil> so?
02:17 <neostrider> vinavil...não
02:17 <neostrider> é OpenStep !
02:17 <ghableska> I'm just obsessive compulsive :p
02:17 <vinavil> in che sito posso trovare informazioni?
02:17 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
02:18 <ghableska> vinavil: pong
02:18 <vinavil> heh
02:18 <vinavil> i'll do sometimes, so you feel alive and relax
02:18 <ghableska> ah, I see :)
02:20 <neostrider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_Maker
02:20 <vinavil> grazie
02:20 <neostrider> de nada!
02:20 <neostrider> well...im leaving!
02:20 <neostrider> nice to speak to some of you!
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02:39 <Vanhayes> its... snowing
02:39 <Vanhayes> in may, its snowing in may
02:42 <vinavil> where is it?
02:44 <Vanhayes> where is it snowing or where is the snow?
02:44 <Vanhayes> its snowing here in new brunswick canada, its on the ground right now :)
02:48 <ghableska> #weather St. John
02:48 <armabot> ghableska: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Rain. Amount 20 to 30 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h gusting to 40. Low plus 2.; Thursday - Showers ending in the morning then cloudy. Amount 2 mm. Wind northeast 20 km/h becoming north 20 in the morning. High (1 more message)
02:48 <ghableska> rain, liar
02:48 <ghableska> :p
02:52 <Vanhayes> bah, it was snowing, I saw it
02:52 <Vanhayes> freaked me out
02:52 <ghableska> heh
02:52 <ghableska> what's the normal temp for at this time of the year?
02:52 <ghableska> -for
03:02 <Vanhayes> 15-20
03:08 <vinavil> liar?
03:08 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
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03:13 <GodTodd> good...i missed luke-jr's blasphemous "arguments" :)
03:19 <_Sticky_> getting too late for me...good game tho will play you at some point
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03:35 <_Sticky_> #lastseen durka
03:36 <armabot> _Sticky_: timed out
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04:07 <GodTodd> A howler monkey says, "Luke-jr is a baka noob luser."
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04:35 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "What the fuck is baka?"
04:47 <GodTodd> i think luke said it's japanese for stupid
04:48 <GodTodd> oh...sorry...A howler monkey says, "I think luke said it's japanese for stupid."
04:48 <GodTodd> ;)
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04:59 <Durka> #hello
04:59 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: Homer: Marge, it's 3 a.m. and I worked all day! || Marge: It's 9:30 p.m. and you spent your whole Saturday drinking beer || in Maggie's kiddie pool. || Another Simpsons Clip Show
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05:02 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> "
05:05 <GodTodd> A howler monkey asks, "Why didn't your penises evolve with the rest of you?"
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06:06 <GodTodd> Random Fortune: I mean, well, if it were not for Linux I might be roaming the streets looking for drugs or prostitutes or something. Hannu and Linus have my highest admiration (apple polishing mode off). -- Phil Lewis, plewis@nyx.nyx.net
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06:14 <MrBougo> hello
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06:37 <Bougo> i'm back :)
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07:13 <Durka> wrtlprnft: :D
07:19 <Bougo> :D
07:19 <Bougo> elo durka
07:19 <Durka> bougo
07:19 <Durka> #serverinfo 4
07:19 <Durka> come
07:19 <armabot> Durka: 4 Team Fortress Saloon: Players (4/32): Ðûqkå, [xT] Legit, ¥×DÅ, °¯SageLord
07:19 <Bougo> wait
07:19 <Bougo> i'm buseh
07:20 <Durka> :O
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07:22 <philippeqc> morning
07:22 <Bougo> ITS TODAY!
07:23 <Bougo> i had totally forgotten this
07:23 <Bougo> forgot
07:23 <Bougo> man why did i write forgotten
07:23 <philippeqc> what is
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> Bougo: because "had forgotten" is grammatically correct, but "had forgot" is not
07:23 <Bougo> oh
07:24 <Bougo> :D
07:24 <Bougo> so i was right
07:24 <Bougo> oh yep right
07:24 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: thanks
07:24 <Bougo> i used to say "gotten" instead of "got"
07:24 <Bougo> and now it confuses me
07:24 <philippeqc> Bougo: what IS today for you?
07:24 <Bougo> A State of Trance episode 300!
07:24 <Bougo> 6th anniversary!
07:24 <philippeqc> Its a show about techno music?
07:24 <Bougo> Amazing show live from the netherlands, 7 hours of amazing trance
07:25 <Bougo> it isnt really techno
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> gotta go paint my wall again (luke-jr wants to talk to me!)
07:25 <philippeqc> or its a budist one?
07:25 <philippeqc> trance is a sub category of techno
07:25 <Bougo> yup
07:25 <Bougo> not really techno
07:26 <Bougo> it's a bit inspired by techno, a bit by house (a ittle bit i mean)
07:26 <Bougo> it used to sound like techno, but now it's totally different
07:26 <Bougo> luke-jr, seems so
07:26 <Bougo> i don't consider trance as being a subcat of techno
07:26 <philippeqc> I know what trance (the music) is. I was trying to pin down what meaning about trance you where being exalcerous about
07:27 <Bougo> because most of people consider it as techno
07:27 <Bougo> and they might be right, even though i don't really agree
07:27 <Bougo> but i know trance wouldn't have existed without techno
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07:27 <philippeqc> and I dont consider Celine Dion to be music, and yet we are both wrong.
07:28 <MrBougo> haha
07:28 <GodTodd> she's not...she's a chick
07:28 <philippeqc> maybe electronica then.
07:28 <philippeqc> she's not really a chic either
07:29 <MrBougo> xD
07:29 <MrBougo> crap, i don't get Net FM here
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: you need to ask your question to an accountant
07:29 <MrBougo> damn
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07:29 <MrBougo> there's a nice dance music radio in the netherlands
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I think I'm done painting this time
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> did 3 walls
07:30 <MrBougo> there's a nice dance music radio in wallonia
07:30 <philippeqc> to come back to our sheeps, so your gonna watch a show about electronica, not one about Buddhist enlightenment.
07:30 <MrBougo> BUT THERE IS NO FUCKIN RADIO LIKE THAT IN BRUSSELS
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's not a full house painting, so I only did the worst walls
07:30 <DrJoeTron> radio sucks
07:30 <MrBougo> so do you
07:30 <MrBougo> :D
07:30 <DrJoeTron> damn good
07:30 <MrBougo> hello
07:30 * GodTodd had to finally mow the lawn.
07:30 <GodTodd> damn rain
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron is the greatest sucker in the universe
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> heh, our yard is mostly in order right now
07:31 <DrJoeTron> hell yeah
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> still have to finish burning the branches from pruning the front tree, and still have some miscellaneous edging in the back
07:31 <GodTodd> i still need to trim the edges and the hedges but oh well
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> the front yard is done for this week :)
07:31 <GodTodd> :)
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> our house is "done" right now
07:32 <GodTodd> i need a cordless trimmer
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> I still have a hole to patch in my son's room, and I'm still considering how I should go about doing that
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> patching the hole requires about 2 days to let it dry (1 day for the initial layer of mud, 1 day for the second layer), then a day to let it dry overnight after painting the wall
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> one of the walls I just painted had to be painted because of a patch :/
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> (the other one was just dirtier than a roll of used toilet paper)
07:33 <GodTodd> well...if you'd quit throwing shit through the walls you wouldn't have to patch them :P
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> these are doorknob holes
07:33 <GodTodd> get doorstops :P
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> I put door stoppers on the hinges for the doors in question
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, my son took the one out of his room :(
07:33 <GodTodd> i know how that goes
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> he got in trouble for it, but since he broke it.....
07:34 <GodTodd> i have to replace the doors in the bathroom
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> the new door stops are on the hinges, and placed on the top hinges, so the kids theoretically can't fuck with them until they're big enough to know better
07:34 <GodTodd> and put doors on the showers (i hate shower curtains)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: interior doors already hung are cheap at Lowe's
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> $40-$60
07:34 <GodTodd> i know
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I hate shower curtains myself, but I haven't yet gotten the hang of installing doors
07:35 <GodTodd> i have to get the gumption to do it...and make sure the dog doesn't get locked in there again heh
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> then there's door hardware, if I were going to do a serious job on the doors here I'd buy all new doorknobs so they'd all match
07:35 <GodTodd> he tore through that door pretty good when he panicked
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> I put nickel-plated covers on a couple of electrical outlets and light switches, and the light fixture I put in the dining room has some nice chrome on it
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> but the doorknobs and other fixtures are all brass, so it doesn't quite match
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> means we have one nice looking dining room, and an ugly mismatched house :)
07:36 <GodTodd> i need to go room by room and figure out what needs done
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I've seen dogs rip off doors before myself :/
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, y'all own your house, right?
07:36 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we're just renters, so we're trying to do as little as possible, and what we do has to be as cheap as possible
07:37 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> if we were owners, by now we'd have already changed all the covers and switches and crap and made everything match
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> we're just like that :)
07:37 <GodTodd> we actually owe around 30000 less than the appraised value :)
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's cool, you could bank on it if you sold it for the appraised value :)
07:38 <GodTodd> yeah...but appraised is always lower than sale price
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need to go peel up some tape real quick
07:38 <Durka> :O
07:41 <MrBougo> :o
07:41 <MrBougo> durka, im joining your serf
07:41 <MrBougo> serv*
07:41 <Durka> yay!
07:42 <MrBougo> you groupie
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> you know what really irritates me about painting?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's that so many people don't bother to remove electrical covers and/or tape them!
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> so there's always this line of white paint on the electrical covers
07:42 <GodTodd> yep
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> it takes 10 seconds to remove them!
07:43 * Lucifer_arma removes them, obviously :)
07:43 <GodTodd> i do too
07:44 * Lucifer_arma has to let the other wall dry a bit more before he pulls the tape off
07:44 <GodTodd> tape the edges?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I put tape up in a pattern that says "Luke-jr is an asshat!" and then painted the wall
07:44 <GodTodd> or two-toning it? ;)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I didn't have enough paint to do the baseboards, and I didn't want a bunch of mismatched baseboards since the three walls I just painted this week aren't adjacent to each other
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> so I painted the baseboards in the kitchen, but taped the ones in the other two rooms (and the door jambs)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> wait, I painted 4 walls, there's the one that I didn't tape the baseboards on so now they look ugly
07:45 <GodTodd> ahhh
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> if I were to do the whole house, I'd do all the trim in green anyway
07:45 <GodTodd> what's the wall color?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> s/kitchen/dining room
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> white walls
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the trim right now is a light almond
07:46 <GodTodd> ewww
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's not terribly ugly, but it's one of those colors that doesn't look great after the paint dries
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just going with white right now, and that's probably what we'll do ultimately anyway
07:46 <GodTodd> we have an adventurous house....white walls with white trim
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> we have to replace the garage door, so that's when we'll figure out what to do about the trim
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> we might just go down and get like 5 cans of green paint (the white is a standard white, so we don't have to worry about color-matching it)
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> then we'll argue over whether or not doors should be colored as trim or as walls
07:47 <GodTodd> i'm considering colorifying the house...
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> we're mostly waiting until our kids are big enough that they don't write on the walls anymore
07:48 <GodTodd> broke tommy of that a while back
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy that I've learned how to patch walls, though. That'll come in handy as the kids get older
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, we've got our 3yo still... ;) (and you've got your up and coming wall artist!)
07:49 <GodTodd> do you do a backing on it, or just the mud?
07:49 <GodTodd> yeah...conor will learn that pretty soon ;)
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I put the backing on it because it's a doorknob hole
07:49 <GodTodd> mesh type backing?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> I'm considering going back over it in a few months with real sheet rock replacement and retexturing, because I want to learn that
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, aluminum mesh, the sticky kind
07:50 <GodTodd> ah ok
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> you know, scrape it to the sheetrock, put the mesh, then fill it with mud, sand flat
07:50 <GodTodd> yep
07:50 <GodTodd> that's how i do it :)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen patches stick out like 1/8 inch or more because they didn't scrape it
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've also seen patches where they didn't bother sanding it flat, so it had all the marks from the filling
07:51 <GodTodd> yep...scraping is a pretty important step
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07:51 <Lucifer_arma> it just amazes me how many ways people find to slack off on home repairs
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> what I've got right now doesn't look great because it's a big flat spot on a textured wall, but it's waaaay better than anything I've lived with before that someone else did
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> at least, what I knew was patched. I guess it's possible there were patches I didn't see because they were done completely right and retextured properly
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> it's one thing to just not do the repair, quite another to do the repair in the smallest-assed way you can
07:52 <GodTodd> texturing isn't terribly difficult
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> my neighbor told me I could use a sponge to texture it
07:52 <GodTodd> yep
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to save that experiment for a future date, there's quite an emphasis on not doing anything that a 3yo can reasonably trash while it's drying
07:53 <GodTodd> i bet ;)
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm tossing enough mud on that even if he goes and scratches his name on it, I can still sand it flat :)
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> he actually pulled the sticky part of the patch off, but there was enough dried mud that I could still refill the hole and finish the job
07:54 <GodTodd> heh
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> it just meant I couldn't do his room without buying more mud, because I bought a small starter kit that had a small box of mud
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> weather stripping is the next big project here
07:55 <GodTodd> hmmm....i think there's a vanity in the garage i still need to install upstairs
07:56 <GodTodd> wonder if karen bought a sink with it...
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08:26 <MrBougo> helo MaZuffeR
08:27 <MaZuffeR> hi
09:11 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: umm, armabot isn't even op'd all the time…
09:12 <wrtlprnft> #later tell durka :D
09:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:12 <MrBougo> #later tell durka D:
09:12 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
09:12 <MrBougo> :p
09:13 <GodTodd> #later tell durka wrtlprnft says :D
09:13 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
09:13 <MrBougo> #later tell durka GodTodd said that wrtlprnft says :D
09:13 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
09:13 <MrBougo> now let's stop :p
09:19 <wrtlprnft> actually i was referring to
09:19 <wrtlprnft> 07:13 #armagetron: <Durka> wrtlprnft: :D
09:19 <wrtlprnft> in my awaylog :P
09:19 <MrBougo> :p
09:48 <DrJoeTron> oh my god
09:49 <DrJoeTron> I think I may have made the wiimote a legit game pad
09:49 <DrJoeTron> classic controller at least
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09:50 <kidanger> hi
09:56 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron ?
09:56 <MrBougo> what do you mean
10:05 <MrBougo> ok i'm out :p
10:05 <MrBougo> bye
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10:31 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Hi
10:31 <philippeqc> well it seems the prob appears from the first version on my branch
10:31 <philippeqc> darn!
10:32 <wrtlprnft> x_X
10:33 <philippeqc> its been what now, 4 full week ends just on that prob! Getting tired of it!
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10:52 <philippeqc> how should I set up ethereal to be able to sniff trafic between a local client and a local server?
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11:43 <philippeqc> o darn, I think I have it
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12:14 <epsy> hi
12:19 <MrBougo> hiho
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13:55 <DrJoeTron> ghableska
13:55 <ghableska> DrJoeTron:
13:55 <epsy> #time
13:55 <armabot> epsy: 01:55 PM, May 17, 2007
13:55 <DrJoeTron> the classic controller on Trackmania
13:56 <DrJoeTron> i got the analogue stick to function Properly
13:56 <ghableska> ?
13:56 <DrJoeTron> epsy are you still working with the gimmick that which is a Wiimote on the PC?
13:56 <ghableska> #weather 50266
13:56 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 48.4°F (6:55 AM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 35.6°F. Windchill: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.34 in 993.5 hPa (Steady).
13:56 <epsy> DrJoeTron, uh ??
13:57 <DrJoeTron> or was that sticky
13:57 <ghableska> 48? o_O
13:57 <DrJoeTron> probably sticky
13:57 <epsy> i dont own a wii
13:57 <DrJoeTron> #weather 60016
13:57 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 44.6°F (6:52 AM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
13:57 <DrJoeTron> probably a sticky question
13:57 <DrJoeTron> ghableska its the coolest thing ever :V
13:57 <ghableska> I see
13:58 <DrJoeTron> its sensitive the the analog stick's movement
13:58 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: do you have the godfather?
13:58 <DrJoeTron> the game or the movie?
13:58 <ghableska> game
13:59 <DrJoeTron> nah
13:59 <DrJoeTron> i try not to buy games from EA as much as I can
13:59 <ghableska> I heard it's a really good game :p
13:59 <ghableska> plus...what about spore?
13:59 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> i try not to buy games from EA as much as I can
13:59 <DrJoeTron> i can only not buy so much
14:00 <ghableska> heh'
14:00 <DrJoeTron> plus
14:00 <DrJoeTron> its being made by the Maxis people
14:00 <DrJoeTron> so i'll buy that
14:00 <ghableska> true
14:00 <DrJoeTron> I want SimCity for the wii
14:00 * ghableska remembers SimCopter
14:00 <ghableska> now THAT was a fun game
14:00 <DrJoeTron> Theme Park was awesome too
14:01 <DrJoeTron> but not maxis
14:01 <DrJoeTron> the precursor to roller coaster tycoon
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14:31 <epsy> i'ill need someone to test something
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14:31 <epsy> someone ?
14:32 <epsy> P4, ?
14:32 <P4> yes epsy?
14:32 <P4> what do you need to test?
14:33 <epsy> something on my testserver ^^
14:33 <P4> oh
14:33 <P4> name? :}
14:33 <epsy> #serverinfo del
14:33 <armabot> epsy: {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map: Players (1/16): Bloody_Jin
14:33 <epsy> arr
14:33 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
14:33 <armabot> epsy: !delire !nodelire: Players (1/8): kk~epsy
14:33 <P4> ok
14:36 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/rubber/wall-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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14:44 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: would it be possible for you to host a fortress test server temporarily?
14:46 <vinavil> the meaning is to try some new settings i have in mind, and maybe somebody else would like to help
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14:51 <P4> epsy: if i'm away try /ctcp P4 PAGE text. If i hear the sound i will come here. If not - it means im taking a bath :}
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14:51 <MrBougo> helo
14:52 <P4> hi MrBougo
14:52 <MrBougo> TEH event
14:52 <MrBougo> H - 7 minutes
14:53 <epsy> oh man -.-
14:53 <MrBougo> A State of Trance episode 300
14:53 <MrBougo> 7 Hours of happiness
14:53 <MrBougo> :DDD
14:53 <epsy> P4, guess what i forgot
14:53 <epsy> function ccargs ($argsarray, $rmfirst=false)
14:53 <epsy> {
14:53 <epsy> if ($rmfirst) unset($argsarray[0]);
14:53 <epsy> implode (" ", $argsarray);
14:53 <epsy> }
14:53 <P4> dunno? ;]
14:53 <epsy> that's a nice function which does many things without returning them -.-
14:54 <P4> return 0? :}
14:54 <epsy> return implode (" ", $argsarray);
14:54 <P4> :P
14:54 <epsy> better so
14:55 <P4> did you recompile sources and restart server?
14:55 <epsy> well, it's an external script for now
14:55 <P4> oh
14:55 <epsy> so, yes it should work as of now
14:55 <MrBougo> i can't believe it's so cloe
14:55 <MrBougo> 4 minutes
14:55 <epsy> retry the register thing
14:56 <MrBougo> http://di.fm/mp3/trance.pls to listen
14:56 <MrBougo> 4 minutes to go
14:56 <P4> ok
14:59 <MrBougo> it begins!
14:59 <MrBougo> soon
14:59 <MrBougo> yay!
15:02 <MrBougo> damn shouts, we want music
15:08 <MrBougo> :DD
15:15 <GodTodd> #later tell Lucifer_arma hey...is the box my website is on down or something? was wondering cuz my page isn't loading...
15:15 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
15:18 <MrBougo> amazing
15:18 <MrBougo> i'm out :(
15:20 <MrBougo> bye all!
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15:28 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/rubber/mao-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
15:50 <DrJoeTron> z-man ping babeh
15:51 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd
15:51 <DrJoeTron> you smell
15:51 <DrJoeTron> suck it
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15:58 <DrJoeTron> zman when does the defcon fun start : I
15:59 <zman> which fun?
15:59 <DrJoeTron> i wanna play with people : /
15:59 <DrJoeTron> meaning when are we gonna play together :3
15:59 <DrJoeTron> Apparently I'm using emoticons as punctuation :)
16:00 <zman> Not right now, I having trouble with my printer and my wife wants to print, grrr
16:00 <DrJoeTron> ah i got not plans to play atm either
16:00 <zman> (stupid gentoo gave me an all new cups version as a security update)
16:00 <DrJoeTron> hah
16:00 <DrJoeTron> i'm working on essay questions/Wiimote scripts
16:01 <DrJoeTron> Time to write one up for Arma
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16:09 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: ping
16:10 <zman> whatever.
16:18 <mkzelda> what about glsa-check?
16:20 <mkzelda> glsa-check is a tool in gentoolkit implementing GLEP 14, which deals with the design for a security-only update feature for emerge.
16:20 <mkzelda> looks like the words 'gentoo' 'security' and 'updates' right there
16:21 <mkzelda> sure it does, right there
16:21 <mkzelda> semantics
16:21 <mkzelda> really
16:22 <mkzelda> not semantics, even tho its for gentoo and it gives you security updates?
16:23 <mkzelda> and thats a security update
16:23 <mkzelda> yep
16:23 <mkzelda> i get updated on my security
16:23 <mkzelda> thats a security update
16:24 <mkzelda> its too bad you're wrong
16:25 <mkzelda> yep
16:25 <mkzelda> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh slam
16:25 <mkzelda> you read a book, you know all about psychiatry
16:26 <mkzelda> go mr cruise
16:26 <mkzelda> come out of the closet tom, please, just come out of the closet
16:26 <mkzelda> nazi!
16:26 <mkzelda> im just beating you to the punch on typical arguing techniques
16:26 <mkzelda> EVOLUTION
16:27 <zman> Imagine me checking back on the channel after 10 minutes of inactivity.
16:27 <mkzelda> haha
16:30 <mkzelda> #g gentoo security updates
16:30 <armabot> mkzelda: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:30 <mkzelda> #google gentoo security updates
16:30 <armabot> mkzelda: Search took 0.11 seconds: GLEP 14 -- security updates based on GLSA: <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0014.html>; Gentoo Linux Projects -- Gentoo Linux Security Project: <http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/security/>; FrSIRT Security Advisories - Gentoo Security Update Fixes ...: <http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2007/1762>; Re: emerge security updates ?: (2 more messages)
16:30 <mkzelda> heh
16:30 <mkzelda> go figure, google and gentoo dont know what they're talking about either
16:30 <mkzelda> they should go ask someone who does know what they're talking about
16:31 <armabot> luke-jr: Search took 0.09 seconds: dmiessler.com | grep understanding knowledge: <http://dmiessler.com/archives/1020>; init1 - Zelda: <http://eol.init1.nl/content/section/3/26/>; init1 - Zelda: <http://eol.init1.nl/content/category/3/8/26/>; Raiden's Realm: The 12 "Geek" days of Christmas - Day 12 - Zelda ...: <http://www.raiden.net/?aid=181>; My Personal Blog: August 2004: (2 more messages)
16:31 <mkzelda> come back when you can properly argue this
16:32 <mkzelda> or gentoo
16:33 <mkzelda> the fact they made a program specifically for security updates and say so all over their pages and the program documentation
16:33 <mkzelda> and google gave u that url
16:33 <mkzelda> ya, thats more than sufficient
16:34 <mkzelda> yes
16:34 <mkzelda> you're saying w/o a patch file?
16:35 <mkzelda> you're saying that b/c it lacks a patch file its not updating my security?
16:35 <mkzelda> b/c it doesnt patch binaries directly
16:35 <mkzelda> just b/c it adds more doesnt mean what it provides doesnt exist anymore
16:36 <mkzelda> that'd be like saying Windows isnt an operating system b/c microsoft included a web browser with it
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16:36 <mkzelda> you're crazy
16:37 <mkzelda> the only condition is untrue
16:37 <mkzelda> yep
16:40 <mkzelda> Definition of: security patch
16:40 <mkzelda> A fix to a program that eliminates a vulnerability exploited by malicious hackers. See vulnerability and patch.
16:41 <mkzelda> okay, tell me about windows?
16:42 <mkzelda> tell me how their security updates are security updates b/c they only provide security updates
16:42 <mkzelda> cause they have tons of updates that dont affect security
16:43 <mkzelda> many of those patch more than one thing simultaneously
16:43 <mkzelda> and by your definition its all ruled out at that point
16:43 <epsy> #time
16:43 <armabot> epsy: 04:43 PM, May 17, 2007
16:43 <mkzelda> glsa-check patches security holes too
16:44 <mkzelda> how you going to patch the binaries for different builds?
16:44 <mkzelda> diff archs
16:44 <mkzelda> exactly STUPID
16:45 <mkzelda> it doesnt upgrade the entire package either
16:45 <mkzelda> it applies a patch to the same version #
16:45 <mkzelda> yep
16:45 <mkzelda> it doesnt bump
16:45 <zman> Umm, will you stop fighting over this silliness? I'm done setting up my new cups.
16:46 <mkzelda> ive never had it bump
16:46 <mkzelda> on many machines
16:46 <mkzelda> i use it a lot
16:46 <mkzelda> it doesnt create some crazy version # that doesnt exist
16:46 <mkzelda> hay i have armagetron 34.3.0
16:47 <mkzelda> wow
16:47 <mkzelda> forfeit
16:47 <mkzelda> pot meet kettle
16:51 <DrJoeTron> sup pot
16:51 <mkzelda> heh
16:51 <DrJoeTron> oh god
16:51 <DrJoeTron> you're...black
16:52 <DrJoeTron> trackmania with the wii classic controller is so much fun now :V
16:52 <mkzelda> no black means the absense of light and and im brown so im not really black even though people use that terminology all the time
16:53 <mkzelda> im going to rewrite all the dictionaries in the world now
16:53 <DrJoeTron> sweet
16:53 <DrJoeTron> do me a favor
16:53 <DrJoeTron> when you're under the term "cool"
16:53 <DrJoeTron> put my name under it?
16:53 <mkzelda> k
16:53 <DrJoeTron> sweet
16:53 <DrJoeTron> and sexy too
16:53 <DrJoeTron> possibly Zebra
16:54 <mkzelda> eh?
16:54 <mkzelda> zebra?
16:54 <DrJoeTron> Put my name under the word Zebra
16:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah
16:55 <DrJoeTron> Definition: A word that DrJoeTron wanted me to put his name under but I don't know why."
16:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil with what settings?
16:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:22 <GodTodd> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllmmmm
17:38 <DrJoeTron> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/robots/robot-fights-in-osaka-where-referees-talk-to-things-without-ears-260828.php
17:40 <P4> #weather gliwice
17:40 <armabot> P4: The current temperature in Katowice, Poland is 51.8°F (5:30 PM CEST on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
17:40 <P4> does it mean it's gonna rain or not? :}
17:41 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
17:41 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 63.1°F (11:40 AM EDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
17:41 <mkzelda> ya i wanna know too
17:41 <P4> Dew Point: 41.0°F means that if temp get lows under that one it's gonna rain?
17:42 <mkzelda> #google weather wiki
17:42 <armabot> mkzelda: Search took 0.08 seconds: Weather - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather>; Weather Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Report>; APRSWiki: Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP): <http://info.aprs.net/wikka.php?wakka=Weather>; how about a weather wiki site - MP3Car.com: <http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin (2 more messages)
17:43 <P4> yea yea :} i'll find it
17:43 <P4> #help wiki
17:43 <armabot> P4: Error: There is no command "wiki".
17:43 <P4> #list
17:43 <armabot> P4: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
17:44 <zman> luke-jr: noted.
17:44 <mkzelda> i can mirror static resources
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17:45 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/rubber/wolf-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
18:17 <akira_> #insult
18:17 <armabot> You are nothing but a full-gorged tongueful of beslubbering samples.
18:17 <akira_> O.o
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18:47 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: did you read it?
18:48 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: we could talk about settings detail if you like. i'll be here for some hours
18:49 <vinavil> anyway i wish to try some ideas from "fortress tie breaking" topic, that i have never been able to test.
18:57 * wrtlprnft is here now
18:58 <wrtlprnft> ah, you're rain
19:02 <wrtlprnft> anyways, what I could do is give you an SSH account, so you can do code hacks and permanent configuration changes if you like
19:09 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: regarding http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=172531#172531 , would you mind if I went ahead with that? I'd like to have that done for the next TST
19:11 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: ping (in case you're not watching this # and waiting for a wake)
19:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: found the prob!
19:13 <philippeqc> for my branch crash
19:13 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: pong
19:13 <philippeqc> I though the create and update message where 2 different ones. But when you create a new object, they are sent as one, and the update consumate the remaining bytes from the create message
19:14 <philippeqc> the prob was that i was relying on the lengh of the message in the create operation to know if I was facing a "new" zone, and consumed a single byte there, screwing up all that followed
19:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: grats
19:15 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: so, you're fine with that?
19:15 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: what server are you referring about?
19:15 <philippeqc> and I think I got a good way to do backward compatibility. I'm working on that ATM.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> 14:44 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: would it be possible for you to host a fortress test server temporarily?
19:16 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: yes, you talks about a SSH account
19:16 <wrtlprnft> you mean serverside parsing of fortress zones?
19:16 <vinavil> i mean a place where some people can play and test some new settings for fortress
19:16 <wrtlprnft> the server that hosts café, bar and saloon
19:17 <wrtlprnft> open admin?
19:18 <vinavil> no, well, if necessary we can use forums to decide which settings, but i would start with some ideas i have in mind, maybe some other have
19:18 <wrtlprnft> that's why i wanted to give you SSH access
19:18 <vinavil> yea, enlight me about it
19:19 <wrtlprnft> hmm, do you know how to use a unix shell?
19:19 <vinavil> hm
19:20 <wrtlprnft> if you don't there's not much point in giving you SSH access
19:20 <philippeqc> o! enlightenment might take a while here
19:21 <vinavil> well, i use linux cli
19:21 <wrtlprnft> did you solve the merge issues, too?
19:21 <wrtlprnft> that's just fine
19:21 <philippeqc> wait, he doesnt need to know much, as long as he can operate the dedicated server prompt, then its quite easy to teach him the rest
19:22 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: so you're on linux?
19:22 <vinavil> debian
19:22 <wrtlprnft> ok then :)
19:22 <vinavil> im ready, explain me all
19:23 * vinavil takes notepad
19:23 <philippeqc> arg... your faking it, your on windows!
19:23 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec, let me set up
19:24 <philippeqc> if you where truely on linux, you'd have taken vi(m) or (x)emacs
19:24 <philippeqc> ;)
19:24 <vinavil> im on debian linux 4 etch, kernel 2.6.18
19:24 <philippeqc> its good
19:24 <philippeqc> you got ssh installed?
19:24 <philippeqc> apt-get ssh
19:24 <vinavil> no, i meant a "real" notepad :)
19:24 <philippeqc> I *knew* that
19:24 <vinavil> heh
19:25 <philippeqc> do also apt-get screen
19:25 <vinavil> ok
19:25 <philippeqc> (just in case wrt uses it, not sure about that, but its so small, you wont notice it
19:26 <vinavil> both not valid
19:26 <vinavil> means i already have them?
19:26 <philippeqc> well, search for the name or something,
19:26 <vinavil> oki
19:26 <philippeqc> dont have deb here
19:26 <philippeqc> ssh could be openssh
19:27 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: ok, if you don't have an ssh public key (you don't have one if you don't know what ssh is), run ssh-keygen
19:28 <philippeqc> wrt, you run the server on screen or what?
19:28 <vinavil> im installing ssh package
19:28 <wrtlprnft> with whatever passphrase you want, choose the default location for the generated files
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
19:28 <philippeqc> guessed so
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: easiest way
19:29 <philippeqc> vinavil: try typing screen at the cli. if the screen clears, then you have it. Its CTRL-D to stop it
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ?!
19:30 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I dont know if its always installed on deb
19:30 <wrtlprnft> my server does have screen, of course, but he needs ssh to access it
19:30 <philippeqc> he should try it up locally (screen) to understand how it works
19:30 <vinavil> phil, im installing it, didn't have
19:30 <vinavil> ok, both ssh and screen installed
19:30 <philippeqc> good
19:31 <philippeqc> a small screen course here for vinavil
19:31 <philippeqc> vinavil: assuming you are in X, start a new terminal window (most likely xterm)
19:31 <vinavil> already
19:32 <philippeqc> vinavil: are you in X or really at the CLI?
19:32 <philippeqc> ok
19:32 <philippeqc> no I mean a NEW one
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19:32 <vinavil> ?
19:32 <philippeqc> go to that cli, and launch a browser, like "firefox &", or what everyou have installed
19:32 <vinavil> im actually running opera
19:33 <vinavil> and irc with it
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19:33 <philippeqc> (the application doesnt really matter here, just have a new xterm and launche some graphical app) the & allows the program to run in background, allowing you to continue working
19:33 <philippeqc> now kill/shut off/terminate that xterm
19:33 <philippeqc> the graphicall app will die too
19:34 <philippeqc> yep?
19:34 <vinavil> hm
19:34 <wrtlprnft> gvim won't die unless started with -f
19:34 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: dont confuse the issue
19:34 <vinavil> well, let me know where we are going
19:34 <philippeqc> vinavil: apps launched in background will only run in background as long as the session is kept alive. This is true even for remove access.
19:35 <philippeqc> where you to cooonec to wrt's compu, start a dedicated server there in background and log out, it would be killed instantly
19:35 <philippeqc> are you still following?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> #svn
19:36 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
19:37 <philippeqc> what screen allows you to do is to start other application (that are not deamons) and keep them running even though the session that started them is closed,
19:37 * philippeqc doesnt know how much vinavil knows about *nix, so I dummed it a bit
19:37 <vinavil> phil, sorry, the fact is inexperience in what you are talking about and not native language, do not help much
19:38 <wrtlprnft> well, anyways, as for you getting access to the server in the first place
19:38 <wrtlprnft> run ssh-keygen on your machine
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19:38 <MrBougo> hello!
19:38 <wrtlprnft> hi
19:38 <philippeqc> vinavil: that is why I wanted u to actually start up apps and try it
19:38 <MrBougo> :)
19:38 <philippeqc> hi
19:38 <vinavil> phil, the fact is i didnt get the meaning :)
19:39 <philippeqc> ok, do the following:
19:39 <philippeqc> a) NEW xterm
19:39 <philippeqc> b) launch some app in background in it
19:39 <philippeqc> c) close the xterm
19:39 <philippeqc> d) the app dies too
19:39 <philippeqc> e) NEW xterm again
19:39 <philippeqc> f) start screen
19:39 <philippeqc> g) start a TEXT BASED app in it
19:40 <philippeqc> h) do : CTRL-a CTRL-d
19:40 <philippeqc> i) kill the xterm
19:40 <philippeqc> j) NEW xterm (the 3rd now)
19:41 <philippeqc> k) do "screen -r"
19:41 <wrtlprnft> l) your TEXT BASED app will reappar as if you never close the xterm
19:41 <wrtlprnft> *closed
19:41 <philippeqc> ty
19:41 <wrtlprnft> :P
19:41 <wrtlprnft> I'd still prefer if he'd get access to the server in the first place :)
19:42 <wrtlprnft> *if he got
19:42 <vinavil> what would this process make me understand?
19:42 <philippeqc> screen is a bitch to *get* into your mind. But once you actually get it, its really easy
19:42 <philippeqc> vinavil: Just do it please
19:42 <philippeqc> just see it with your eyes
19:42 <vinavil> lol, i am doing it
19:43 <philippeqc> that scren will allow the server on wrt's computer to keep on running even though you are not connecting to it
19:44 <philippeqc> its important to *get* screen as there are a few more commands to do once you connect to the server and when youleave, but they are very easy
19:45 <wrtlprnft> anyways, done with the SSH key?
19:46 <vinavil> ram:~# screen -r
19:46 <vinavil> There are several suitable screens on:
19:46 <vinavil> 4614.pts-0.ram (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil> 4629.pts-0.ram (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil> 4567.pts-0.ram (Detached)
19:46 <vinavil> Type "screen [-d] -r [pid.]tty.host" to resume one of them.
19:46 <vinavil> ram:~#
19:46 <vinavil> done with keygen
19:46 <wrtlprnft> ok
19:46 <philippeqc> you have 3 of them running
19:46 <wrtlprnft> there should be a file named ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
19:46 <wrtlprnft> i need its contents
19:46 <vinavil> ok
19:46 <philippeqc> you need to say which one you wish to reattach to. so it would be "screen -r 4567" to get the 3rd one
19:50 <vinavil> wrtl: how do i send it to you?
19:50 <vinavil> phil: ok, now?
19:51 <philippeqc> that was k)
19:51 <vinavil> i found a sshkey and a sshkey.pub are you referring to these?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> the .pub one
19:52 <wrtlprnft> just paste it in here, it's public, as the name says
19:52 <philippeqc> vinavil: in g, what did you launch? if its a text editor did you type in some junk. then in l) you should have seen it exactly where you left
19:52 <vinavil> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEA9OS/5bMtFe39x2j6qm7/EdSThHUrVdRxLR9tzjoK1am6kdWtAgKuvdDCHK+DER3IcZ9KMuOYB4x0g7W+3VmQuYC3gOELXfaLvWHuk3GxFqASR59Fhi9KYS4sF6DwX9nAsY9w8BPBGZb+rY8uC5JcvXlMX4/PGTxGLMzHEfWLyW6at4eDt6/EdpHg50ZbOExUrZBI+MOHU7JQ4jIkVv4P7py79PiI/3Ix4eppvrw8wlkDrtRW5J9p/gmcbkn8k8rfSwz3nkgR4cEV/9RzqYi8cyZgzGNdvZQumN6zoO8CGUeSHqVOqgTEah7tMdR1uWHLrMD2e9ym3QOckB/5opggBw== root@ram
19:53 <wrtlprnft> ok, you SHOULD be able to do ssh rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org now
19:54 <vinavil> phil: no i didn't type anything, in l i have seen irssi, yes, i saw it the same as when i left
19:54 <vinavil> ok wrtl, trying
19:55 <philippeqc> vinavil: perfect! you notice that even an irc client could continue running, receiving network traffic even though the session was killed?
19:55 <vinavil> ram:~# ssh rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
19:55 <vinavil> The authenticity of host 'wrtlprnft.servegame.org (88.198.22.100)' can't be established.
19:55 <vinavil> RSA key fingerprint is 75:c9:d6:16:e5:4b:90:d6:75:c7:fc:0f:c3:b2:4d:26.
19:55 <vinavil> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
19:55 <vinavil> Warning: Permanently added 'wrtlprnft.servegame.org,88.198.22.100' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
19:55 <vinavil> Permission denied (publickey).
19:55 <vinavil> ram:~#
19:55 <philippeqc> if you started that text based irc client on wrt client inside of a screen, logged of, you would be "online" in irc
19:56 <vinavil> phil, yes i notice
19:56 <vinavil> phil, didn't get the last sentence
19:56 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: try ssh -i ~/.ssh/sshkey rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org
19:57 <epsy> back
19:57 <philippeqc> when you succed with the ssh, you will be connected to wrt's computer. When you will log off it, it will kill all the application that you started.
19:57 <philippeqc> BUT
19:57 <wrtlprnft> apparently you changed the location of your ssh key while running ssh-keygen, so ssh can't find it
19:58 <vinavil> sorry, it is /root/sshkey
19:58 <wrtlprnft> poor vinavil, getting advice from two persons at the same time
19:58 <wrtlprnft> well, then put that after -i
19:58 <wrtlprnft> no need to be root, btw
19:58 <vinavil> i think im in
19:58 <philippeqc> if you, for example, started irssi inside of screen on wrt's computer, logged off, went for a walk, a swim, vacation, came back, logged on again to his computer, logged to that old screen you started, the application would have kept running for you
19:58 <vinavil> no, /root/sshkey was the path
19:59 <vinavil> it says rain@marvin. am i in?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:59 <wrtlprnft> now you're in a console on my server
19:59 <wrtlprnft> it's called marvin :P
19:59 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: he is running as root. check the end of the key
19:59 <wrtlprnft> yeah, saw that
19:59 <wrtlprnft> maybe he ran keygen as root
19:59 <vinavil> i did
19:59 <wrtlprnft> well, it's not really my buisness
19:59 <philippeqc> o
20:00 <wrtlprnft> ok, now you can try screen -x
20:00 <vinavil> what should happen?
20:00 <vinavil> lol
20:01 <vinavil> someone wrote test 123
20:01 <wrtlprnft> one advantage of screen is that two people can share the same console :)
20:01 <vinavil> :)
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20:01 <philippeqc> shared across users, or you su'ed to it?
20:03 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: --^
20:04 <vinavil> he is gone for 30mins
20:04 <philippeqc> oki
20:04 <vinavil> thx phil
20:05 <philippeqc> np
20:05 <philippeqc> hope you actually understood some of it
20:05 <vinavil> some :)
20:05 <philippeqc> save it for later
20:05 <vinavil> experience will help
20:06 <philippeqc> play a bit with screen on your compu, start apps in it, restart you x-server, and log to them again.
20:06 <philippeqc> then start to play with screen so you learn how to start new "windows"
20:07 <vinavil> what is the use of it?
20:07 <philippeqc> look, its nothing you really use locally, but if you are going to work remotely and you want to be able to resume your work where it was, then its very good
20:08 <vinavil> oh, i see
20:08 <philippeqc> uses are many: a) keep stuff running even when you are not connected
20:08 <philippeqc> a+) when lines where bad, it was nice that even though you connection crash, your work was unnafected
20:09 <philippeqc> b) allow you to run multiple things in paralle (like multiple xterms side by side) from only one connection
20:09 <philippeqc> so for example, if you where connected to wrt's computer, and in screen, watching the dedicated server console
20:10 <philippeqc> and wanted to know if a map was present on the disk
20:11 <philippeqc> you could start a new "window" (CTRL-a c), do some "ls" or "find" there, then switch back to the first one (where the server is still running) (CTRL-a n) and instruct it to use it, then switch back to find more amusing files, or start to change the config files
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20:12 <philippeqc> if you had to do CTRL-z and then "bg", you would mess-up the game currently running
20:13 <philippeqc> It is one of those "what the heck is that, I'll never need it" and then "I'm going to name my first born after it" kind of application.
20:13 <vinavil> is it possivle a dvd become unreadable from a day to another?
20:13 <epsy> yes
20:13 <vinavil> shit
20:14 <philippeqc> dunno
20:14 <vinavil> i've lost all my files
20:14 <philippeqc> o
20:14 <epsy> oh that's a bit different
20:14 <philippeqc> try on a different machine
20:15 <philippeqc> or reboot, might be a driver that is hang-up somehow
20:15 <vinavil> phil: yes, because i have so many machines :)
20:15 <MrBougo> bye
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20:15 <philippeqc> t'was just a suggestion
20:15 <vinavil> jk
20:16 <philippeqc> m2
20:16 <vinavil> wtf!
20:16 <vinavil> lol
20:16 <philippeqc> wow, just spontaneously created a new acronym (at least I never read it before) and it was accepted and understood
20:16 <vinavil> oh, it run!
20:17 <philippeqc> good
20:18 <vinavil> all these icons in xfce are confusing
20:22 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: back
20:24 <vinavil> wb, im checking for settings
20:24 <vinavil> is setting_custom.cfg the right place where to put them?
20:26 <vinavil> have anybody ever tried spawn points in axis in fortress?
20:27 <vinavil> what was the result?
20:27 <philippeqc> dont get your question
20:28 <vinavil> you know spaen points in fortress are not in same axis
20:28 <vinavil> spawn*
20:29 <philippeqc> I wrote the code for axis and I dont understand what you are asking
20:30 <philippeqc> its a best matching case. it uses the xdir and ydir or the angle, and then pick the closest matching axis
20:31 <vinavil> i mean they have 10 in x axis difference
20:31 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: yeah, settings_custom.cfg is where you put pretty much all settings
20:32 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: that's defined in the map file
20:32 <wrtlprnft> you don't want the spawn points to directly face each other, though
20:32 <vinavil> that was the question
20:32 <vinavil> why not?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> because the center guy could go down the center in 50% of all cases
20:33 <vinavil> you tried it or it is a thought?
20:33 <vinavil> just curios about it
20:33 <wrtlprnft> well
20:33 <philippeqc> oooo, the spawn point position is a bit shifted on the left for each team, yeah, it makes for better start-up, in the way of reducing the number of kills in the begining
20:34 <wrtlprnft> there's an old version of chico's hourglass
20:35 <vinavil> hmm
20:35 <wrtlprnft> just imagine what would happen if the two center guys went directly straight into each other
20:35 <wrtlprnft> who would be on the right side of the other guy's tail, who would be on the left?
20:39 <vinavil> this could be annoying or exiting or both
20:39 <wrtlprnft> believe me, it's rather annoying
20:40 <wrtlprnft> mostly a mistake made by newbies to map making
20:40 <vinavil> maybe, but experimenting doesn't hurt :)
20:40 <wrtlprnft> do you know anything about map making?
20:41 <vinavil> yea
20:41 <wrtlprnft> then make a map that has spawn points facing each other
20:42 <vinavil> indeed i'll try, dinner time, be back later, thx for all
20:42 <wrtlprnft> if you create a directory name ~/public_html, it will be mapped to http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain
20:42 <wrtlprnft> cya
20:42 <wrtlprnft> yw
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20:52 <vinavil> bacl
20:52 <vinavil> back*
20:52 <wrtlprnft> short supper :)
20:52 <vinavil> hehe, hamburger
20:53 <vinavil> well, how do i do that directory?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> mkdir?
20:53 <vinavil> oh, can i?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:53 <vinavil> oh, good
20:54 <vinavil> #list
20:54 <armabot> vinavil: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Freshmeat, Games, Google, Insult, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Time, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
20:55 <wrtlprnft> by the way, you start the actual server by ~/startserver.php testserver
20:55 <wrtlprnft> run it in a screen session if you want it to still be running after you log out
20:55 <vinavil> hm?
20:56 <vinavil> #config fortress_conquered_win
20:56 <armabot> vinavil: Error: 'supybot.fortress_conquered_win' is not a valid configuration variable.
20:56 <vinavil> hm, how was that command?
20:56 <vinavil> to get info abput an arma command
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #armacoonfig conquered_w
20:57 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig conquered_w
20:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
20:57 <vinavil> oh right, armaconfig
20:57 <wrtlprnft> problem is that it doesn't know fortress commands
20:57 <wrtlprnft> just start a client and use its console
21:03 <vinavil> cant find info about fortress_conquered_win
21:05 <vinavil> #armaconfig fortress_conquered_win
21:05 <armabot> vinavil: Sorry, no matches :S
21:05 <wrtlprnft> probably undocumented
21:05 <vinavil> arrr
21:06 <vinavil> how do i set 0 points for win and 10 to conquer zone?
21:06 <wrtlprnft> but it does what the name suggests
21:06 <wrtlprnft> SCORE_WIN 0
21:06 <vinavil> like when players win without conquering they get 0 points
21:07 <wrtlprnft> FORTRESS_CONQUERED_SCORE 60
21:07 <vinavil> 60?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> err
21:08 <wrtlprnft> 10
21:08 <wrtlprnft> 60 is for sumo :)
21:08 <vinavil> heh
21:11 <vinavil> is it actually possible to set a round run time?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> no, just match
21:11 <vinavil> arrr
21:11 <wrtlprnft> you can spawn a huge deathzone after a set time, though
21:12 <epsy> heh
21:14 <vinavil> interestin, but who will win?
21:14 <vinavil> does already exist the "tie"?
21:14 <vinavil> well, it happens sometime
21:14 <vinavil> will this big death zone generate a tie?
21:15 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:15 <vinavil> good
21:15 <wrtlprnft> you could have it give points to the players who get killed to create a bonus for the team with the most survivors
21:16 <vinavil> interesting
21:16 <vinavil> how to?
21:16 <epsy> score_death_zone
21:16 <wrtlprnft> SCORE_DEATHZONE What you get for hitting the Death Zone
21:18 <vinavil> how can i know how big is deathzone? i mean the value i set, what does it mean in the grid?
21:18 <epsy> « [0] Setting SPAM_MAXLEN (Group: Cheating) deviates from its default value; clients older than 0.2.6.0 will not be allowed in. »
21:18 <vinavil> ?
21:18 <epsy> (why are old clients banned for this ??)
21:19 <vinavil> because old players talk less
21:19 <vinavil> hehe
21:19 <wrtlprnft> no
21:19 <wrtlprnft> because they don't know it
21:19 <epsy> what's the problem
21:19 <wrtlprnft> so those players can still enter lines longer than that
21:19 <wrtlprnft> they won't show, but the player will be confused
21:20 <wrtlprnft> you can always set SPAM_MAXLEN_OVERRIDE to 0 if you don't like it
21:20 <epsy> well, what happened with the 80 limit ?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's 80 on old clients, dunno really
21:21 <epsy> yeah so if i increase it to 100 there will be no problems
21:21 <wrtlprnft> i think so, yeah
21:21 <epsy> else that old clients will being stuck with 80
21:21 <epsy> ok
21:22 <vinavil> WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE 10000 will be enough?
21:22 <wrtlprnft> sure
21:22 <wrtlprnft> but careful, you need to make a new fortress map for that
21:22 <wrtlprnft> as the default one will reset that setting
21:22 <wrtlprnft> and set MAP_FILE_OVERRIDE to 2
21:22 <vinavil> ok, how do i upload?
21:22 <epsy> ...
21:23 <epsy> use luke-jr's repo
21:23 <wrtlprnft> either use scp -i /path/to/keyfile /path/to/map rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org:/home/rain/public_html/path
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or just cat >~/public_html/path on my server, then paste the contents
21:24 <wrtlprnft> don't use luke
21:24 <wrtlprnft> 's repo for a serious server
21:24 <wrtlprnft> his DNS is so REALLY slow, you can forget it
21:24 <epsy> luke-jr :P
21:24 <epsy> is there a way i can get a full list of the maps in the official repos ?
21:25 <epsy> ??
21:25 <wrtlprnft> write a script to parse that
21:25 <wrtlprnft> or just wget -r it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> looking up hostname oone.resource.aa.dashjr.org…
21:26 <epsy> i dont want to clone it -.-
21:26 <wrtlprnft> looking up hostname one.resource.aa.dashjr.org…
21:26 <vinavil> wrtl: didn't get how, sorry
21:26 <wrtlprnft> well, clone it, then use find or whatever to build a list
21:26 <epsy> and to parse what ?
21:26 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: look at that scp command i gave you
21:26 <epsy> no, i would want a way to get a list dynamically
21:27 <vinavil> wrtl: yes, im looking it, but so many parameters are confusing
21:28 <vinavil> non preoccuparti luke, mi fiderò "relativamente" :)
21:28 <wrtlprnft> /path/to/map is the map on your local machine
21:28 <vinavil> ok
21:28 <wrtlprnft> and after the : comes the path you want to copy it to
21:30 <vinavil> do i have to do that from screen?
21:31 <vinavil> lol
21:32 <epsy> luke-jr, what did your « maybe » mean ?
21:33 <epsy> ok
21:33 <epsy> i'ill look 'bout that
21:33 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: no, on your machine
21:33 <vinavil> ok
21:33 <wrtlprnft> after all, you're copying a file from there :)
21:33 <vinavil> right
21:34 <vinavil> lol!
21:35 <vinavil> for keyfile is meant the public one or the other?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://resource.armagetronad.net/~wrtlprnft/resourcelist.php
21:36 <wrtlprnft> private
21:36 <vinavil> ok
21:36 <epsy> wrtlprnft, you did that on purpose ?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you ln -s /path/to/private/keyfile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
21:36 <wrtlprnft> then you can drop that -i option
21:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:36 <epsy> ty :P
21:37 <epsy> is it updated or... ?
21:37 <wrtlprnft> just a find command wrapped up in a php script
21:37 <epsy> ok
21:37 <vinavil> wrtl: didn't get last suggestion
21:37 <wrtlprnft> $maps = explode("\n", `find /var/www/armagetron/resource/resource -name '*.xml' | grep -v '\/\.'`);
21:37 <wrtlprnft> foreach($maps as $map) { print(substr($map,38) . "\n");
21:37 <wrtlprnft> }
21:37 <epsy> (wow it's awesome how many maps we have)
21:37 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: if the keyfile is in ~/.ssh/id_rsa ssh will find it automatically
21:38 <wrtlprnft> without you worrying about a -i option, you can just drop it
21:38 <vinavil> it isn't there
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21:38 <wrtlprnft> that's why i suggest you put it there :)
21:38 <vinavil> hm
21:39 <vinavil> but it isnt called id_rsa
21:39 <wrtlprnft> rename it
21:39 <vinavil> heh
21:39 <wrtlprnft> the file doesn't care about its name
21:39 <vinavil> you want me go mad
21:40 <wrtlprnft> in fact it likes cryptic names, it's for cryptography after all
21:40 * wrtlprnft stops making bad puns
21:41 <vinavil> id_rsa and id_rsa.pub ?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:41 <vinavil> done
21:42 <vinavil> ok, now?
21:42 <wrtlprnft> you can omit the -i from ssh and scp commands :)
21:43 <vinavil> could you re-write it?
21:43 <wrtlprnft> scp /path/to/the/mapfile/on/your/pc/map.xml rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org:/home/rain/public_html/path
21:44 <wrtlprnft> just like normal cp
21:44 <vinavil> public_html?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> every file that's in public_html is on http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/, too
21:44 <vinavil> ok
21:45 <vinavil> and path could be "maps" for ex?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> the path is determined by the <Resource> tag
21:45 <wrtlprnft> in the mapfile itself
21:45 <vinavil> oh, true
21:45 <vinavil> LOL!
21:46 <wrtlprnft> you need to create the directories first, though
21:46 <vinavil> ah
21:47 <vinavil> ok
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22:10 <vinavil> what is the path for testserver settings?
22:10 <epsy> wrtlprnft, could you just return the array itself or a print_r of it ?
22:11 <epsy> oh nvm
22:11 <epsy> i forgot about explode
22:11 <philippeqc> arrr!
22:11 <epsy> philippeqc, what's wrong ?
22:11 <philippeqc> This might be the worse game evar!
22:12 <philippeqc> I cant win it, how ever I figth it
22:12 <epsy> what server ? :P
22:12 <vinavil> lol
22:12 <philippeqc> my code didnt work agains "regular" servers. I found the bug after 4 weeks of searching
22:12 <epsy> forgot a ; ?
22:12 <philippeqc> spent a day fixing it, now it works with them.
22:12 <epsy> what it does do ? DoS attack ?
22:13 <philippeqc> BUT---- now it crash with the *NEW* servers, supporting the NEW feature
22:13 <epsy> (lol)
22:13 <philippeqc> not much, the client dies, the server dies.
22:13 <epsy> °°teall me all
22:13 <vinavil> hehehe
22:13 <philippeqc> teall ???
22:14 <vinavil> t was a bug in my server
22:14 <epsy> yeah
22:14 <vinavil> hahah
22:14 <philippeqc> i resolved a prob and created a new one, of worse consequence.
22:14 <epsy> flash said something like /shuffle °°teall me
22:14 <vinavil> yes, it was an unsatifsaction of an espected integer
22:14 <epsy> which has serious issues on 0.3 branch
22:15 <philippeqc> what what is dot-dot-teall
22:15 <epsy> flash always spoke with °° in front of his chat msg
22:15 <vinavil> sno, it what /shuffle <something not an integer>
22:15 <epsy> teall was a typo
22:15 <philippeqc> o ok
22:16 <philippeqc> might be fixed, I've heard about that prob for a while
22:16 <philippeqc> BUT, 0.3.1 is blocked, so we cant make any new release any time soon
22:16 <epsy> (what's your code about ? zonesV2 ?
22:16 <philippeqc> and one of the big blocker is *ME*
22:16 <philippeqc> yes epsy
22:16 <epsy> oh ok
22:17 <epsy> well, it's enough important to delay a release i think
22:17 <philippeqc> rather, in the trunk it is in a broken state, so no release can be done
22:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: what is the path for server settings? i lost it. i also need the repository address and so. then, how do i run it?
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> relax philippeqc (hi there!) , I'm the other big blocker, I think
22:18 <epsy> heh
22:18 <philippeqc> luke-jr: 0.3.1 *IS* blocked
22:19 <vinavil> luke on fire tonight, did you eat a lion?
22:19 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: what is are your blocking items again? Sound works for me
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> cycle engine noise
22:19 <epsy> vinavil, luke is luke, so stfu
22:19 <epsy> :P
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> people were so upset that it was gone that I really think it needs to return for 0.3.1
22:19 <vinavil> right then i'll stfu
22:19 <philippeqc> o
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a ton of bugs in the media player anyway that I'd like to fix, because there's no point making a new release if we're not looking for bugs in new code
22:20 <philippeqc> and I want to merge back my zones to the trunk
22:21 <philippeqc> and then start to rebuild feature that I disabled, like the winzone and death zone
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, as soon as your new zones code can a) run for a few minutes without crashing and b) do everything 0.3.0 can do, you're done for 0.3.1 :)
22:21 <philippeqc> and see if supporting a zillion command line argument for zones still make sense
22:22 <philippeqc> well, as I was saying, when you join a new server, you client DIES, and the server DIES.
22:22 <vinavil> do not add too many feature, or it will be as heavy as impossible to run for me :D
22:22 <philippeqc> vinavil: too late
22:22 <vinavil> lol
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, we also need to try to speed up cockpit performance if we can
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a list I haven't checked in awhile that I"ll be looking at soon.
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> Soon as the semester starts, I'm either working on some crazy project for the school or working on arma
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> I might work a bit on my alarm clock too
22:24 <philippeqc> vinavil: though luck, cause if you where to put 500$ on either a new comp or paying a developer, you'd get the best boost on the new comp.
22:24 <philippeqc> so it means nobody will give us money for improving the game ever
22:25 <philippeqc> and as I point out often, cpu double performance faster than we consumate it.
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22:25 * Lucifer_arma consumates his cpus
22:26 * epsy eats them
22:26 * philippeqc 's eyes are full of boogeyman's sand
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22:27 <philippeqc> and will go consume a few hours of sleep
22:27 <philippeqc> cya
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22:28 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: ping
22:29 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: pong
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22:29 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: did you read my message?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> wait, catching up
22:30 <wrtlprnft> actually, you're not supposed to call the mapfile "path" :P
22:31 <wrtlprnft> ok, moved it
22:32 <vinavil> lol
22:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/rain/fortress/fortress-0.2.aamap.xml
22:32 * vinavil needs help
22:32 <wrtlprnft> so RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER should be http://wrtlprnft.servegame.org/~rain/
22:32 <wrtlprnft> and MAP_FILE rain/fortress/fortress-0.2.aamap.xml
22:32 <vinavil> ok, what is the path for test server config?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> ~/testserver/config/settings_custom.cfg
22:33 <wrtlprnft> and ~/testserver/config/server_info.cfg
22:34 <vinavil> denied
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and you start it by using ~/startserver.php testserver
22:34 <wrtlprnft> huh?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> you need to put an editor command in front of it, of course
22:34 <wrtlprnft> either nano or vim
22:34 <vinavil> yes yes
22:35 <vinavil> mistyped...
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> e210882
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> er, oops
22:49 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: how do i change settings while the server run? it seems it still gives 10 points for the last team alive
22:49 <wrtlprnft> in server_info.cfg, set ADMIN_PASS to something
22:49 <wrtlprnft> then ingame say /login <thepass>
22:49 <wrtlprnft> then /admin <console command here>
22:50 <vinavil> ah!
22:50 <wrtlprnft> need to restart the server once, though
22:50 <vinavil> so i have to stop the server?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:50 <vinavil> how to?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ctrl-c
22:50 <vinavil> oki
22:50 <epsy> heh
22:53 <epsy> *hmm* how i do search for a string which is a part of a value in an array
22:53 <vinavil> so, how to make it 0 points to winning team?
22:53 <epsy> score_0
22:54 <epsy> score_win 0
22:55 <vinavil> does it exist an sp_score_win?
22:55 <epsy> try and see
22:56 <epsy> should i strpos each row ?
22:57 <epsy> hmm :/
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23:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> what are you trying to do?
23:07 <epsy> doing a search in the maplist
23:07 <epsy> so the user would just have to give a part of the name
23:08 <epsy> like on most maprotation systems which have voting
23:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:09 * wrtlprnft will vote on one of his super huge maps
23:15 * epsy will be there to say !cancelvote
23:15 <epsy> i should find a way to ban maps, thru ^^
23:16 <epsy> ty for remembering me, wrtlprnft :P
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23:17 <wrtlprnft> :)
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23:27 <epsy> erm, is this valid english : «Try to scpecify further your request.»
23:28 <epsy> (hmm nice typo)
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23:29 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: no, it's not
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> or rather, it may be, but it's hard to read :)
23:30 <P4> shou;dn't it sound like «Try to specify your further request.»
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> what's the context?
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> epsy's statement reads like "I didn't understand, can you be more specific?"
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> P4's edit reads like "Be more specific about your next request"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if epsy's meaning is right, I'd either say what I said, or something like "Try to be more specific with your request"
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> my recommendation to all for whom english is a second language is to strike "further" from your vocabulary
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> even native english speakers can't use it right ;)
23:33 <P4> hehe, ok :}
23:33 <P4> i never use it, actualy i dont know the right meaning of that word :}
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> I've mostly only seen it in non-native translations of documents, and a lot of french people seem to use it a lot, seems like
23:34 <P4> epsy is french :}
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> :)
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably a direct translation from a french word that actually makes sense--in french
23:35 * Lucifer_arma has a french vocabulary of about 20 words
23:36 <P4> it's kindly like polish multiply negations :) like sentence: I've never haven't seen nothing nowhere :}
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> come visit the South, we talk like that all the time
23:36 <P4> and in polish it works well :P polish is one of non ligic languages :}
23:37 <P4> hehhe
23:37 <P4> south or USA?
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> south of usa, where grammar is taught only to be forgot
23:37 <P4> :D
23:37 <P4> you mean Texas and relted?
23:37 <P4> i've never been to other continent that EU :P
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, texas, louisiana, etc. the confederate states
23:38 * Lucifer_arma has never been out of north america. :(
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> although I've invaded europe plenty of times from every direction....
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> wait, this isn't #freeciv?
23:38 <P4> hehe :P
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> we need to get another freeciv game going on the world map one of these days
23:39 <P4> there's some clone of RISK if you know that board game :}
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I never really enjoyed risk
23:39 <P4> yes... nor me... it's too long game :P
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> I never really enjoyed the board games that had big territories and weird movement and combat
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> risk was pretty simple, but axis and allies was really annoying
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I think you really need a computer to do a global-scale strategy wargame, and freeciv works nicely that way
23:40 <P4> yes i know that... i got ARDENY (IIWW board game with hecagonal fields... really weird...) :P
23:40 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, ty
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I like hexagonal games, for the most part. But those are much smaller scale
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: np
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23:49 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:49 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> man, this cd-rom drive is soooo slow
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's been booting feisty for 15 minutes
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23:52 <ghableska> vinavil: ping
Log from 2007-05-18:
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00:05 <vinavil> ghableska: pong
00:05 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:05 <ghableska> :p
00:05 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 66.6°F (5:04 PM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.30 in 992.1 hPa (Steady).
00:05 <vinavil> heh
00:06 <vinavil> come to Fortress Test Server
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00:13 <ghableska> #serverinfo fortress test
00:13 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Test Server: Players (4/16): dream shake, Scroach, °¯fLasH, °¯rain
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00:17 <epsy> hmm
00:17 <epsy> how can i check if a string matches a regexp ?
00:18 <epsy> *in php
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00:23 <_Sticky_> #tea
00:23 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): grouby, ikono, kitten, Matt, mr tickle, Sithy, Zeplin
00:29 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo fortress test
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Test Server: No online players.
00:29 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo 4
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: CT|P4.silesia.pol.eu: No online players.
00:29 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo 4 team
00:29 <armabot> Vanhayes: SUMO 4 Teams: No online players.
00:32 <vinavil> #t italian english suscettibile
00:32 <armabot> vinavil: susceptible
00:33 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Vanhayes/fortress/double_fortress-1.aamap.xml: Resource by Vanhayes
00:37 <Vanhayes> #lastseen durka
00:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: NOML~Durka :'( has last been seen on SUMO 4 Teams 0 days 15 hours 32 minutes ago.
00:37 <vinavil> #t italian english interpretazione
00:38 <armabot> vinavil: interpretation
00:38 <vinavil> hmmm
00:46 <epsy> #night
00:46 <armabot> Good night epsy!
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00:48 <vinavil> #t italian english malessere
00:48 <armabot> vinavil: malaise
00:48 <vinavil> O_o?
00:49 <vinavil> #t italian english abitudine
00:49 <armabot> vinavil: habit
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00:54 <vinavil> #t italian english costruttivo
00:55 <armabot> vinavil: constructive
01:01 <vinavil> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=174521
01:01 <vinavil> feedbacks are welcome
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02:18 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:18 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.2°F (7:15 PM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Pressure: 29.27 in 991.1 hPa (Steady).
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02:22 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:22 <armabot> pong
02:51 <vinavil> #night
02:51 <armabot> Good night vinavil!
02:51 <vinavil> thx armabot
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02:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Legacy Hills @ Legacy and Red River, Plano, Texas is 75.2°F (7:56 PM CDT on May 17, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising).
02:57 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma ping
03:01 <DrJoeTron> : /
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> pong
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03:19 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma i did some wiimote scripting over the past couple nights
03:20 <DrJoeTron> Got the classic controller fully functional
03:20 <DrJoeTron> and not just mouse mimmicks
03:20 <Your_mom_arma> nice
03:20 <DrJoeTron> they're actually being used as analog sticks
03:20 <DrJoeTron> well sorta
03:21 <DrJoeTron> the one script i made makes the Left Stick just Analog0 and Analog1
03:21 <DrJoeTron> while the other I modified a script to turn the Righ Joystick into a mouse
03:21 <DrJoeTron> I tested it out on track mania
03:22 <DrJoeTron> its actually sensitive to Joystick movement
03:22 <DrJoeTron> and that game is about a thousand times funner now
03:22 <Your_mom_arma> cool
03:22 <DrJoeTron> now my next project is to make it a good joystick for vehicles on BF2
03:23 <DrJoeTron> and i actually used the wiimote on the pc this week
03:24 <DrJoeTron> my friends and I started playing through the new sam and max games on TV out
03:24 <DrJoeTron> and loaded a Infared Mouse script and turned the wii on to use its sensor bar
03:25 <DrJoeTron> it works insanely well
03:41 * GodTodd thinks DrJoeTron should just get it over with and marry his wii
03:41 <GodTodd> A howler monkey says, "Yeah, a idea good is that."
03:42 <Your_mom_arma> howler monkey?
03:42 <GodTodd> howler monkey
03:42 <Your_mom_arma> did I miss something?
03:42 <GodTodd> #last --from luke-jr* --with howler
03:42 <armabot> GodTodd: [22:22:36] <luke-jr> A howler monkey says, "Ye don't miss larger! Named."
03:43 <GodTodd> he tends to go nuts with that lately ;)
03:43 * Your_mom_arma shrugs, walks away and hopes for the best
03:43 <GodTodd> just smile and nod, mom. smile and nod :)
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03:55 <GodTodd> Beer load [ /] 100% *ding*
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05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Holy smoke, holy smoke!
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Plenty bad preachers for the devil to stoke
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Feed 'em in feet first, this is no joke
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> This is thirsty work
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Making holy smoke...
05:17 <GodTodd> shit....*that's* the iron maiden album i'm missing :(
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05:18 <Rebel_Eclipsed> hello.
05:19 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I need to know how to ban someone from the server even tho they are not currently on the server.
05:19 <DrJoeTron> get their ip
05:20 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Yep
05:20 <Rebel_Eclipsed> got it
05:20 <DrJoeTron> add it to the ban list
05:20 <Rebel_Eclipsed> the text file?
05:20 <DrJoeTron> and set some rediculous number
05:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:20 <Rebel_Eclipsed> can you tell me the syntax ?
05:20 <Rebel_Eclipsed> is it just IP TIME
05:21 <Rebel_Eclipsed> one per line?
05:22 <DrJoeTron> 121.12.5.1 99999999999999999999999
05:22 <DrJoeTron> thats what i just do
05:22 <Rebel_Eclipsed> ok thanks a million Joe.
05:22 <DrJoeTron> i manually add it to the text file
05:22 <DrJoeTron> yup
05:22 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Had some kidies kicking me off of the server we pay for.
05:23 <DrJoeTron> thats why i turned off kick polls :v
05:23 <Rebel_Eclipsed> yeah...
05:23 <Rebel_Eclipsed> considering it
05:23 <DrJoeTron> allow_voting 0
05:23 <Rebel_Eclipsed> actually.. are you busy at the moment?
05:23 <DrJoeTron> and then have it a dictatorship
05:23 <DrJoeTron> not at all
05:24 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Have you ever set up either a tourny or Clan War ?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> nah, I prefer not to get involved with clans
05:24 <DrJoeTron> whatchu need help with though
05:25 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I was invited to take part in one.. but at the same time I've been wanting to set up a tourny
05:27 <Rebel_Eclipsed> also been thinking of setting up a fortress server with luke-jr but not sure about settings. Might be hard to keep it original.
05:28 <DrJoeTron> ok
05:28 <Rebel_Eclipsed> for the tourny I think I have most of it figured out.. except
05:29 <Rebel_Eclipsed> our server is 16 slots and I am planning for 2 teams of 4
05:29 <Rebel_Eclipsed> not sure how to keep others out during the tourney
05:32 <Your_mom_arma> team_max_players 4, should force players who join after the 8 playing in the tournament to spectate
05:33 <Rebel_Eclipsed> ok cool.. thanks!
05:33 <Rebel_Eclipsed> then I set team_max 2 as well?
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> teams_max 2, but if its already set up for fortress that should already be set
05:35 <Rebel_Eclipsed> not a fort yet.. atm its a regular setting
05:35 <Rebel_Eclipsed> Your_mom_arma is that your custom cam in the wiki?
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> it's probable
05:35 <Rebel_Eclipsed> If so.. THANKS!!
05:36 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I use a slightly modified version and haven't looked back since.
05:37 <Rebel_Eclipsed> well guys.. thanks again for your help.
05:37 <Rebel_Eclipsed> I do graphics so if you need anything, just ask. Not sure if you've seen any of my Tron images...
05:40 <Rebel_Eclipsed> later all
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05:52 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: is it possible to use the scripting(is that finished?(did work stop on it when nemo disappeared)) component to change incoming chat locally?ex LOL->ltmq (and outgoing? ex fort->fortress)
05:52 <Your_mom_arma> I sure havnt seen him in a while
05:53 <Your_mom_arma> I might play Globulation 2(with horrible netcode) if you can get a third man
05:54 <DrJoeTron> pft
05:54 <DrJoeTron> i want tmn
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: I found the thing my friend nekura and I used when we played zsnes on-line. We used zbattle.net
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06:00 <Your_mom_arma> who?
06:01 <Your_mom_arma> from where?
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> tell me the server's up
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06:16 <epsy> hi
06:18 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma, i remember Zbattle
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06:32 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: is your site responding now?
06:32 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yeah it is
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> ko
06:32 <GodTodd> tanks
06:32 <GodTodd> :)
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> I'm slowly cnaming all my davefancella.com hosts to luciferarma.kicks-ass.net so my router will handle the dynamic ip update thingee
06:33 <GodTodd> ah
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> man, I started installing Kubuntu 3 hours ago and it's still running
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> slow-as-shit cdrom :(
06:33 * GodTodd is torrenting no prayer for the dying....can't believe i didn't remember that one :/
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
06:34 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: yeah...took a while for me too...my cdrom sucks ass
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> I was burning more tree clippings and that song got stuck in my head
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> made me think of luke-jr for some reason
06:34 <GodTodd> haha
06:34 <GodTodd> one of the few albums they cuss on even
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> yep
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> got all my tree clippings burned
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> amazingly enough. I thought we'd never get through that pile
06:35 <GodTodd> there was a thing on vh1 classic the other night about the making of number of the beast...was kinda neat
06:36 <GodTodd> heh...big trees?
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> we burned one pile, then I doubled it
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it all came off one tree
06:36 <GodTodd> wow
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's this really big elm tree in the front
06:36 <GodTodd> i'ma probably hedge this weekend...then pay my oldest son five bucks or something to clean up the clippings
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> it had several large branches that had so many little small branches they were hanging dangerously low
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> but this time next year it'll probably shade the whole house in the afternoon/evening
06:37 <GodTodd> cool :)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> it's a big-ass tree that would already be dead if we hadn't started clipping it 2 years ago :/
06:37 <GodTodd> we just have one small tree
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06:38 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, now it's going to be too tall for me to reach the branches to clip again without a ladder, and I've got a 14' pruning tool
06:38 <GodTodd> heh
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> we have 3 trees now, and one bush
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> one of the trees is a sapling my wife planted, then my youngest broke it almost in half
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> so we got a hair tie and wrapped it around to put the trunk back together, now it's shooting up all sorts of leaves on the broken part
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> we're hopeful it'll survive
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> the other is this fruit tree that started as 4 saplings that fused together, then one of them died
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> the other three are still living and will finish fusing in the next year or so
06:39 <GodTodd> what fruit?
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> it had a bunch of deadwood on it that I cut off a few weeks ago, now it's looking pretty healthy
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> no idea what fruit's on it because it hasn't actually made any while we've been here
06:40 <GodTodd> haha
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's looking promising right now, so maybe we'll find out this year
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> I think it's an apple tree
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> my wife thinks it's a pear tree
06:40 <P4> #armaservers
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> my sister has a tree in her backyard that was hit by lightning, its still alive, if you look at the back of it it looks like the tree was cut completely in half on the one side then stitched itself back together
06:40 <armabot> P4: disabled
06:40 <P4> premamently or temporarily?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> premamently
06:41 <P4> why?
06:41 * Lucifer_arma doesn't know, actually, he was just poking fun at that horribly misspelled word
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> my theatre teacher has this story about a tree in his yard that broke in half because of wind, and the people that repair trees said it was hopeless
06:42 <P4> oh, software malfunction...
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> so he went out there with a big belt and pulled the thing up on his own and stuck it back together
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> that was like 5 years ago or so, and it's still kicking
06:43 <GodTodd> trees can heal themselves extremely well
06:43 <GodTodd> most plants can
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> kinda depends on when the break happens, I think
06:43 <GodTodd> it's because they have no god :D
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> if it happens in the fall while the tree is dormant, it's almost certain to get an infestation or an infection before it can start healing
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> bears are godless killing machines
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> the Chicago Bears?
06:44 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma: i thought that was pigs
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey, here's something interesting. Turns out my neighbor played for the Cubs back in 1970
06:44 <GodTodd> what's his name?
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> so apparently he was a Marine in vietnam, a baseball player, and an LAPD cop
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> Mike Walker
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> #google tree grafting circus
06:45 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.08 seconds: The Tree Circus of Axel Erlandson: <http://www.arborsmith.com/treecircus.html>; Arborsmith Studios- Growing trees into forests of ideas.: <http://www.arborsmith.com/>; Bonfante Gardens Family Theme Park -- Home of the Circus Trees!: <http://www.bonfantegardens.com/circus.html>; Tree Circus: <http://www.santacruzpl.org/history/unusual/treecir.shtml>; (2 more messages)
06:48 <GodTodd> hmmm....only finding a mike walker from 95
06:48 <GodTodd> heh
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me too
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I might have his last name wrong
06:50 <GodTodd> http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=1970&t=CHN
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's his name
06:51 <GodTodd> maybe he was a minor leaguer in their system?
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> maybe
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> he told me he had to quit because he threw out his arm
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> he may have also used a middle name, or maybe mike is a middle name and he used his first name
06:55 <GodTodd> hmmm only walker at all i see for the 70 cubs was coach verlon walker
06:57 <GodTodd> i'm betting either minor leaguer or he's fulla shit ;)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'll try to get more information out of him :)
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, that installation is taking forever :(
07:00 <GodTodd> do :) it'd be cool if he really did....he would have hung around fergie jenkins and ernie banks
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I suspect he was in the cubs' minor league system
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> he does tend to exaggerate, but he has shown me the scars from being shot
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> the whole time he was in vietnam, he never got shot, but soon as he went on LAPD, he got shot up a couple of times
07:01 <GodTodd> oh i don't doubt that
07:01 <GodTodd> heh
07:01 <GodTodd> figures
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> I think he was LAPD when the rodney king shit went down
07:02 <GodTodd> that had to suck
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> I finally got rico's motherboard to boot up, that's the one I'm installing kubuntu on right now
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably going to finally get the db for the wiki and bugtracker up in the next day or so for someone to grab and move and then move the webserver temporarily so I can put kubuntu on the server
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> then move everything back (minus the wiki and bugtracker, because I don't want those back) to the server
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> then shut off all the stuff that's not needed on a server :)
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:08 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm liking kde oodles better than gnome
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07:23 <Lucifer_arma> man, kde rocks
07:30 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: no clue, sorry. I was never involved in scripting
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07:36 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, +1
07:36 <MrBougo> i hate gnome
07:36 <MrBougo> kubuntu whoo!
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07:37 * GodTodd doesn't necessarily *hate* gnome...just prefer kde
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> thanks anyways wrtlprnft
07:44 <GodTodd> #math calc 104.7*50
07:45 <armabot> GodTodd: 5235
07:46 <GodTodd> #math calc 5235/1024
07:46 <armabot> GodTodd: 5.1123046875
07:47 <GodTodd> strange math ktorrent uses
07:47 <GodTodd> heh
07:51 <GodTodd> #math calc 4.12*1024
07:51 <armabot> GodTodd: 4218.88
07:51 <GodTodd> #math calc 4218.88*.02
07:51 <armabot> GodTodd: 84.3776
07:51 <GodTodd> #math calc 4218.88*.0262
07:51 <armabot> GodTodd: 110.534656
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08:29 <slyfoxx> Hello P4
08:29 <P4> hi slyfoxx
08:29 <slyfoxx> hey man
08:29 <P4> do you have dedicated server binaries for mac?
08:29 <slyfoxx> yes
08:30 <P4> you set up server but its not available right?
08:30 <slyfoxx> its avaliable
08:30 <P4> what's wrong then?
08:30 <slyfoxx> you can see it under internet games
08:30 <slyfoxx> no one can join
08:30 <P4> what's the name?
08:30 <slyfoxx> (red)Sly(blue)Foxx
08:31 <P4> #serverinfo -v foxx
08:31 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “foxx” at the moment, sorry.
08:31 <P4> #serverinfo -v Sly
08:31 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “sly” at the moment, sorry.
08:31 <P4> #serverinfo -v xx
08:31 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “xx” at the moment, sorry.
08:31 <P4> hmm
08:31 <slyfoxx> 1 sec
08:31 <slyfoxx> ill re do it
08:32 <slyfoxx> ok
08:32 <slyfoxx> it shoudl be up
08:32 <P4> #serverinfo -v foxx
08:32 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “foxx” at the moment, sorry.
08:32 <P4> maybe rss is lagged... let me check it on grid
08:32 <slyfoxx> wait
08:32 <P4> i can't see it
08:33 <slyfoxx> #serverinfo -v foxx
08:33 <armabot> slyfoxx: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “foxx” at the moment, sorry.
08:33 <slyfoxx> ummm
08:33 <P4> is it on your PC?
08:33 <slyfoxx> it shows up for me
08:33 <P4> is it run on your PC (this IP: 70.191.86.115)?
08:33 <slyfoxx> ok i renamed to hi
08:34 <slyfoxx> yes
08:34 <P4> i'll try to connect manually
08:34 <slyfoxx> #serverinfo -v hi
08:34 <armabot> slyfoxx: -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< (69.73.188.241:) running 0.2.8_alpha20070316 unix dedic, url: http://IDClanForum.tt.cx, Description: “Great Rubber, Speed, and Competition (Hosted by Wild West & Durka)“, Players (1/12): Cecil
08:34 <P4> try unoqye name :}
08:34 <slyfoxx> unique?
08:34 <P4> like slufox123456789
08:34 <P4> :}
08:35 <slyfoxx> slufox123456789
08:35 <slyfoxx> k
08:35 <slyfoxx> your trying to join
08:35 <P4> and tell me the server port, please
08:35 <slyfoxx> #serverinfo [1] Received login from 83.22.203.90:4871 via socket *.*.*.*:4534.
08:35 <slyfoxx> [1] New user: 1
08:35 <armabot> slyfoxx: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “[1] received login from 83.22.203.90:4871 via socket *.*.*.*:4534.” at the moment, sorry.
08:35 <P4> yes it was me
08:36 <P4> do you have configured firewall?
08:36 <slyfoxx> its off
08:36 <slyfoxx> and i restarted
08:36 <P4> hmm, i got message that server doesnt exist
08:36 <P4> what version of server do you use?
08:36 <slyfoxx> i can join
08:37 <slyfoxx> the file i have is
08:37 <P4> 0.2.7 or 0.2.8?
08:37 <slyfoxx> http://www.armagetronad.net/downloads.php
08:37 <slyfoxx> the newest
08:37 <P4> ok
08:37 <slyfoxx> i used tron 3.0
08:37 <P4> oh
08:37 <slyfoxx> to play.
08:37 <slyfoxx> that bad?
08:37 <P4> no no, it's OK
08:37 <P4> it should work anyway
08:38 <slyfoxx> ok
08:38 <P4> check if you have public IP
08:38 <P4> open trminal, login as root, say ipconfig or ifconfig or whatever it is on mac
08:38 <slyfoxx> thats what i couldnt figure out
08:38 <P4> oh
08:38 <slyfoxx> like login as root?
08:39 <P4> open terminal and try "su -" (without doublquotes)
08:39 <slyfoxx> and hit return?
08:39 <P4> lol, sure :}
08:40 <P4> do you have RETURN key? :P ( i dont know macs, i got return in my old schneider - amstrad cpc6128)
08:40 <slyfoxx> now password?
08:40 <P4> yes, login as root means etner password and get the root prompt
08:40 <slyfoxx> i cant type anthing for password
08:40 <P4> it's hidden
08:40 <P4> type it blindly
08:40 <P4> slyfoxx: how old are you? :}
08:41 <slyfoxx> 16
08:41 <slyfoxx> lol
08:41 <slyfoxx> not very computer literate
08:41 <slyfoxx> it says su sorry
08:41 <slyfoxx> try again
08:41 <slyfoxx> ?
08:41 <P4> :) it's ok, i was talking with 14 and less guys who wanted to get some info from me :P
08:41 <P4> su - once again (remember about -) and type password
08:41 <P4> then enter
08:41 <slyfoxx> what password?
08:41 <P4> root's password
08:42 <slyfoxx> idk what the root is
08:42 <P4> root is an admin
08:42 <slyfoxx> Root or administrator privileges
08:42 <slyfoxx> Some commands used to manage a computer must be executed by an administrator user or the root user. If you get a message such as ?permission denied,? the command probably requires root privileges. You can execute one command at a time as the root user, which is implicitly an administrator, by beginning each command with sudo.
08:42 <slyfoxx> For example:
08:42 <slyfoxx> sudo passwd newuser
08:42 <slyfoxx> To use sudo, you must be logged in as an administrator. If you haven?t used sudo recently, you?re prompted to enter the administrator password.
08:42 <slyfoxx> thats what the help syas
08:43 <slyfoxx> i tried su - password
08:43 <slyfoxx> su -
08:43 <slyfoxx> then password
08:43 <slyfoxx> how do you set password?
08:43 <P4> yes, but try not to type password after terminal prompt caouse it's loged in your history
08:43 <P4> you got to set it during OS installation
08:44 <slyfoxx> like master password?
08:44 <P4> yes!
08:44 <P4> i think so
08:44 <slyfoxx> nope.....
08:44 <P4> ok let me ask mac guys about finding your IP
08:45 <slyfoxx> ty
08:45 <P4> ok ok , you dont need root access :}
08:45 <P4> just tyoe ifconfig in terminal
08:45 <P4> and tell me your IP address
08:45 <P4> tyoe = type
08:45 <slyfoxx> wow
08:46 <slyfoxx> gave me alot of info
08:46 <slyfoxx> ifconfig
08:46 <slyfoxx> lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
08:46 <slyfoxx> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
08:46 <slyfoxx> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
08:46 <slyfoxx> gif0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1280
08:46 <slyfoxx> stf0: flags=0<> mtu 1280
08:46 <P4> find IP address
08:46 <slyfoxx> en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
08:46 <slyfoxx> ether 00:16:cb:8c:b9:fc
08:46 <P4> omg
08:46 <slyfoxx> media: autoselect status: inactive
08:46 <slyfoxx> supported media: autoselect 10baseT/UTP <half-duplex> 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex> 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex,hw-loopback> 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex,flow-control> 100baseTX <half-duplex> 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX <full-duplex,hw-loopback> 100baseTX <full-duplex,flow-control> 1000baseT <full-duplex> 1000baseT <full-duplex,hw-loopback> 1000baseT <full-duplex,flow-control> none
08:46 <slyfoxx> en1: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
08:47 <slyfoxx> inet6 fe80::214:51ff:feee:1ebe%en1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5
08:47 <slyfoxx> inet 10.0.1.3 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255
08:47 <slyfoxx> ether 00:14:51:ee:1e:be
08:47 <slyfoxx> media: autoselect status: active
08:47 <slyfoxx> supported media: autoselect
08:47 <slyfoxx> wlt1: flags=41<UP,RUNNING> mtu 1500
08:47 <slyfoxx> fw0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 2030
08:47 <slyfoxx> lladdr 00:16:cb:ff:fe:51:e5:78
08:47 <slyfoxx> media: autoselect <full-duplex> status: inactive
08:47 <slyfoxx> supported media: autoselect <full-duplex>
08:47 <P4> use http://rafb.net/paste/ for pasting huge amount of text like now
08:47 <slyfoxx> lol
08:47 <slyfoxx> idk
08:47 <slyfoxx> you gave mt ip adress
08:47 <slyfoxx> 70.191.86.115
08:47 <P4> inet 10.0.1.3 this is your address
08:47 <slyfoxx> ok
08:48 <P4> it means it's private
08:48 <P4> it means if you want to host public server you need public IP or port forwarding
08:48 <P4> or some VPN :) but it's also private :}
08:48 <slyfoxx> ok
08:48 <slyfoxx> just wanted to make sur
08:48 <slyfoxx> sure
08:49 <P4> ask your admin to redirect one port on your gateway to port 4534 on your PC
08:49 <P4> then it should work fine
08:49 <slyfoxx> admin?
08:49 <P4> oh, the port should be within 4534-4544 or sth like that
08:49 <slyfoxx> whos my admin?
08:49 <P4> yes, network administratir
08:49 <slyfoxx> umm? what do you mean
08:49 <slyfoxx> like cox cable?
08:50 <P4> yes, contact with cox company and ask him about ability of port forwarding or public IPs
08:50 <slyfoxx> ok
08:50 <slyfoxx> i think my friend did that to host WC3 games
08:51 <slyfoxx> somewhtat similar?
08:51 <P4> what you mean?
08:51 <slyfoxx> my friend had to open a port to host war craft 3 games
08:51 <P4> yes
08:51 <slyfoxx> ok
08:51 <slyfoxx> ill talk to him
08:52 <P4> he cant do this himsel unless he has root access to his router
08:52 <slyfoxx> ok
08:52 <P4> or he has not private iP
08:52 <P4> GL :}
08:52 <slyfoxx> ty so much for oyur time
08:52 <slyfoxx> your
08:52 <P4> you're welcome
08:52 <slyfoxx> i really appreciate it
08:52 <slyfoxx> see you around
08:52 <P4> ^^
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08:52 <P4> cya
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10:46 <P4> #t fr en D'ou je viens je les deja dis et je le redis, grandir en té-ci non n'est pas une tragédie
10:46 <armabot> P4: From or I come I already say them and I repeat it, to grow out of t-piece not is not a tragedy
10:46 <P4> omg
10:46 <P4> #t fr en Chacun peut s'en sortir avec la niak et l'envie, etre un lion dans le jungle pour assurer sa survie...
10:46 <armabot> P4: Each one can be left there with the niak and envies it, being a lion in the jungle to ensure its survival...
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12:31 <z-man-work> Who did the german localization of andi's IRC client? "Verlassend". Uaarg.
12:33 <DrJoeTron> z-man-work you've done enough at work
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12:33 <DrJoeTron> you better go play defcon
12:33 <z-man-work> I'
12:34 <z-man-work> I've got to finish two webpages, then I can play
12:34 <DrJoeTron> load a dreamweaver template and done :V
12:35 <DrJoeTron> oh god should i even offer to play defcon in my state of mind right now?
12:35 <z-man-work> Unfortunately, I've just have to arrange a hundred captures of this professor's writing on the table
12:35 <DrJoeTron> i've been up since 6am of thursday
12:37 <z-man-work> That's barely 48 hours. Wuss.
12:37 <z-man-work> Anyone know whether Pidgin is any good?
12:38 <z-man-work> Or why all the gnome applications rename randomly?
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13:09 <DrJoeTron> z-man-work thats a Your_mom question
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13:17 <z-man> well, basic stuff seems to work, and it doesn't look too ugly.
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13:21 <z-man> YES IT FUCKING TOOK ME THIS LONG TO REJOIN THE CHANNEL AFTER I CLOSED THE FUCKING CHAT WINDOW
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13:25 <z-man-work> Oh well, Pidgin has the same flaw here as kopete.
13:26 <DrJoeTron> sorry : /
13:26 <DrJoeTron> sorry : /
13:26 <z-man-work> Umm, it's not your fault, or is it?
13:27 <DrJoeTron> it is a little
13:27 <z-man-work> how?
13:27 <DrJoeTron> its complicated
13:28 <DrJoeTron> i'd...i'd rather not talk about it
13:28 <DrJoeTron> shit
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13:28 <z-man-work> well, then, don't start to talk about it :)
13:29 <z-man-work> Strange fellow.
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14:06 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: is there a way to edit the everytime with in-game console? if not, what is the path of it?
14:08 <vinavil> @all: please, would be great if you could try out the "Fortress Test Server" and give some feedbacks on forums. thanks.
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15:26 <madmax|pt> hi
15:28 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: no, there's no way. The file has to be in the same dir as settings_custom.cfg and server_info.cfg, but you'll have to create it
15:34 <eddiefantastic> or in the server's var dir
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15:44 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: are there somewhere infos about everytime file and use? maybe the wiki?
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15:47 <eddiefantastic> vinavil: It simply loads all settings within everytime.cfg at the end of each round. So you can edit it as you play and alter the server settings
15:54 <vinavil> eddiefantastic: i know that, but i was looking for some "advanced" features
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15:54 <MrBougo> hello!
15:57 <eddiefantastic> vinavil: pretty sure that's all it does
15:58 <eddiefantastic> you can of course write scripts to write to it
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16:42 <vinavil> eddiefantastic: yea, that is what i meant
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16:44 <epsy> hi
16:44 <eddiefantastic> vinavil: it all depends on what you're trying to achieve
16:45 <eddiefantastic> hi epsy
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16:56 <P4> hi epsy :}
16:56 <P4> VODKA! VODKA! VODKA! :DDDD is gonna be drinked tonight ;D
16:56 <MrBougo> wtf?
16:56 * P4 is damn happy
16:56 <MrBougo> why ? :p
16:57 <P4> [16:58:03] <P4> VODKA! VODKA! VODKA! :DDDD is gonna be drinked tonight ;D
16:57 <P4> ;DD
16:57 <MrBougo> :/
16:57 * MrBougo is dumb
16:57 <P4> i've just found in my dad's bar some good Dainova (lietuva vodka) :D
16:58 <P4> actually it's 40VOL tincture
16:58 <P4> :D
16:59 <P4> nobody likes vodka here? :}
16:59 <vinavil> no
16:59 <P4> omg, where heve you been educating :D
16:59 <vinavil> BEER FTW!
17:00 <P4> you got to visit polish countrymen ;D
17:00 <vinavil> heh
17:00 <vinavil> anybody used to xfce here?
17:00 <P4> it's gonna be sth like 2L/head (all nithe long) :}
17:00 <P4> yes i was using it for a while, why?
17:01 <vinavil> menues disappeared
17:01 <P4> hmm
17:01 <P4> is it appears empty or just nothing happens?
17:01 <vinavil> i see only the desktop with files
17:01 <vinavil> i can use mouse buttons to run programs and so
17:01 <P4> what happens if you right/left-click onthe desktop?
17:01 <vinavil> but no visual menus
17:02 <vinavil> as i said click works
17:02 <vinavil> but no fixed menues on the desktop
17:03 <vinavil> they just disappeared after a reboot
17:03 <P4> not on the icons but on wallpaper, it hould open menu, is it opens empty or just no menus
17:03 <P4> oh you mean completly no menus? :|
17:03 <vinavil> yes p4, i got that, i know that
17:03 <vinavil> i have click menues
17:03 <vinavil> but not visual menues
17:03 <P4> i don't know what are visual menus :P
17:04 <vinavil> i mean the bar you have
17:04 <vinavil> |
17:04 <P4> manu are called by left/right clicking the desktop, or you mean some other menus?
17:04 <vinavil> |
17:04 <P4> oh
17:04 <P4> you got to run it, it's kind of plugin
17:04 <P4> look for configuration menu in your left/right clicking the desktop
17:04 <vinavil> the fact is it worked since last reboot
17:05 <P4> maybe you've installed sth that conflicts or renew the config
17:05 <vinavil> and in desktop conf, when i try to select "panel conf" happens nothing
17:05 <P4> strange, i don't have any ideas
17:05 <vinavil> it should be the odka
17:05 <P4> ask in #xfce
17:05 <vinavil> vodka*
17:05 <P4> LOL!
17:05 <vinavil> hehe
17:06 <P4> does vinavil mean anything? :}
17:06 <vinavil> yea
17:06 <MrBougo> bye
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17:07 <vinavil> http://images.google.com/images?um=1&tab=wi&client=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=it&q=vinavil
17:07 <P4> is it bike oil? :}
17:08 <P4> like WD40 or similiar? :}
17:08 <vinavil> hmm, maybe
17:08 <P4> hehe, so you don't know :P
17:08 <vinavil> it is mostly for wood
17:08 <P4> oh... i see
17:08 <vinavil> i don't know wd40
17:08 <P4> you got strange imagination :P
17:09 <vinavil> lol?
17:09 <P4> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&um=1&hl=pl&safe=off&client=opera&rls=it&q=WD40&btnG=Szukaj+obraz%C3%B3w
17:09 <vinavil> oh no
17:09 <vinavil> wd40 is another thing
17:09 <vinavil> is it a lubrificant?
17:09 <vinavil> #t italian english colla
17:09 <armabot> vinavil: glue
17:09 <vinavil> oh, right
17:09 <madmax|pt> rain?
17:10 <vinavil> vinavil is a glue
17:10 <vinavil> yes, max?
17:10 <P4> no it's not glue :}
17:10 <P4> oh
17:10 <P4> WD40 is conservating oil
17:10 <vinavil> indeed
17:10 <vinavil> vinavil is a glue
17:10 <vinavil> for wood, plastic
17:10 <vinavil> etc
17:10 <madmax|pt> got the answer :p
17:10 <eddiefantastic> why do you name yourself after a glue?
17:10 <P4> he has strange imaginateion :P
17:11 <vinavil> indeed, i have strange imagination
17:11 <P4> :P
17:11 <vinavil> hehe
17:11 * P4 is clairvoyant
17:11 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: well, you can put any console command into it and it will be executed every round
17:11 <eddiefantastic> it must be a very good glue
17:11 <vinavil> #t italian english appiccicoso
17:11 <armabot> vinavil: sticky
17:11 <vinavil> it is because im sticky
17:12 <P4> if it sticks everything - it cant be good :}
17:12 <vinavil> i love you all
17:12 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: thx
17:12 <P4> vinavil: but you're not gay, right? :}
17:12 <vinavil> nope
17:12 <vinavil> im bisexual
17:12 <P4> phew :}
17:12 <P4> noooooo
17:12 <P4> :P
17:12 <vinavil> LOL!
17:12 <vinavil> what with gays p4?
17:13 <P4> i'm not discriminating gays... i just dont like gays :P
17:13 <eddiefantastic> ah, I get it. You're a gay
17:14 <P4> who? me? nooooo
17:14 <P4> i'm definitely not
17:14 <wrtlprnft> i'm not a racist, but i especially hate <insert country/religion/skin color here>s
17:14 <P4> :}
17:15 <P4> i accept gays until they don't manifest theirs gayment (is it gayment?) :P
17:15 <eddiefantastic> It's nothing to be ashamed of P4. Most of my best friends are gay
17:16 <eddiefantastic> and black
17:16 <epsy> you mean when they dont wnat to put you into theur bed :P
17:16 <epsy> *WD! Manytypos !
17:16 <vinavil> p4 do you manifest you heterosexuality?
17:16 <P4> it's ok, but i don't like gays... maybe because i'm affraid i can infect of that gayment
17:17 <vinavil> lol, you are mad
17:17 <eddiefantastic> you're afraid you can infect their gayment ;)
17:17 <eddiefantastic> haha
17:17 <P4> sure, i walk with my girlfrind by hand, we're kissing in public places, not for manifesting it, just for haveing good time. ppl see it so they can thought we are manifesting it
17:18 <P4> ok, my english is not well... :P
17:18 <P4> i'll better dont say anything more ;P
17:18 <vinavil> well, cannot a gays have their good times?
17:18 <eddiefantastic> I kiss my wife around gays, try to turn them straight
17:18 <vinavil> LOL!
17:18 <P4> but gaism is a deviation!
17:19 <eddiefantastic> infect them with my straightness
17:19 <P4> it's like sex with animals...
17:19 <P4> maybe not straight
17:19 <vinavil> omg
17:19 <vinavil> homosexuality is no deviation
17:19 <epsy> i note ppl like 2000 years ago were homosexual...
17:20 <P4> with girls - not :} but with gays... i mean guys :P
17:20 <vinavil> you born homo or hetero, animals born homo or hetero, it is life, it is nature
17:20 <eddiefantastic> it's ok for a bit of girl on girl action?
17:20 <eddiefantastic> but two blokes is not natural?
17:20 <P4> for me - yes :D
17:21 <P4> ppl born with illness... it doesn't mean it's nature
17:21 <vinavil> nature is all
17:21 <eddiefantastic> Midgets? Should they be tossed for being born different?
17:22 <P4> so infants borned with nicorine addicts is nature? it's caused they mom was smoking toomuch ciaggarests during beeing pregnant not nature
17:22 <vinavil> the "right naturality" is only a human false concept based on false stupid beliefs
17:22 <P4> nicotine*
17:22 <eddiefantastic> that doesn't make them gay
17:22 <eddiefantastic> just have stupid mothers
17:22 <vinavil> you born as you born, this is nature
17:23 <P4> homosexuality brakes natural species-alive instinct, if you know what i mean
17:23 <P4> but if my mother was ill, i can born with strange deviations
17:23 <eddiefantastic> not when only about 5% are born gay
17:24 <P4> that's why it is deviation! :}
17:24 <vinavil> is blonde hair a deviation?
17:24 <vinavil> red eyes?
17:24 <eddiefantastic> ginger most definately is
17:24 <vinavil> big nose?
17:24 <P4> if only 5% of human were born with blond hairs and it would affect their health it would be deviation
17:24 <eddiefantastic> what d'you call me?
17:25 <eddiefantastic> are gays unhealthy now too?
17:25 <vinavil> albinus? are they deviates?
17:25 <P4> yes, because they cant reproducing himself in natural way
17:25 <P4> yes albinus is deviation :}
17:25 <epsy> let's take it on a geek side: if only less than 5% ppl having a pc use linux, is this a deviation ?
17:25 <P4> it's depend on few chromosoms :}
17:26 <P4> ...it's depend on few chromosoms differences :}
17:26 <eddiefantastic> but some capable heterosexuals choose not to reproduce, are they unhealthy?
17:26 <vinavil> why should those few chromosoms not be the "nature" in its variability?
17:26 <P4> yes, becayse all animals (including humans) have natural trend to save the species by reproducing
17:27 <P4> vinavil: have you ever learn biology?
17:27 <P4> :}
17:27 <eddiefantastic> Well, we'll overpopulate the planet at some point. Bring on the gays!
17:27 <vinavil> P4: have you ever studied mendel?
17:27 <P4> what is mendel? :}
17:27 <epsy> *who
17:28 <P4> i know only benoit mandelbrot :}
17:28 <P4> or haendel :}
17:28 <eddiefantastic> the cauliflour guy?
17:28 <vinavil> great zeus
17:29 <vinavil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel
17:29 <P4> good there's polish translation of that wikipage :}
17:30 <vinavil> it should be deviated, since polish are really few
17:30 <epsy> (heh vinavil is greek :P )
17:30 <vinavil> hehe
17:30 <P4> lol :}
17:31 <P4> interference
17:31 <P4> shit
17:31 <P4> sorry :P
17:33 <eddiefantastic> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mandel_zoom_01_head_and_shoulder.jpg
17:33 <eddiefantastic> I like the cauliflour guy better, that's fantastic
17:34 <vinavil> -_-
17:35 <P4> ...
17:35 <P4> eddiefantastic: you probably know xaos ^^
17:35 <P4> i mean xaos software
17:35 <eddiefantastic> I know Julia
17:36 <P4> yes Julia subsets are greate (beautiful)
17:39 * eddiefantastic is liking xaos
17:39 <P4> shouldn't you say 'eddiefantastic likes xaos'? I'm not good in english - what's the difference?
17:40 <eddiefantastic> I've just downloaded and am plying with. I like it.
17:40 <P4> oh :}
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17:50 <vinavil> nobody giving feedbacks about Fortress Test Server :(
17:52 <P4> it looks normall for me, except penalties of dying
17:52 <P4> no bugs found, but i also haven't read forums
17:59 <P4> #move
17:59 <armabot> P4: Howl's Moving Castle: Players (4/16): flip, ~{GP}~sherif, ¦Vã¦p¦, ©T¦¶3
17:59 <P4> cmon :D
17:59 -!- P4 is now known as CT|P4
18:00 <vinavil> #test
18:01 <vinavil> #serverinfo test
18:02 <armabot> vinavil: Fortress Test Server: Players (3/16): $Ås¶u tOFETE, (GP)=(bb~vipa(=, =D~luAp~
18:05 <vinavil> does anyone have anything to try / ideas /suggestions about fortress?
18:12 <madmax|pt> no shrink, to make life hard
18:13 <CT|P4> maybe cycle_turn_speed_factor 0.75 and a bit faster speed :}
18:13 <CT|P4> later :}
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18:19 <vinavil> madmax|pt: done. come and try out ;)
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18:31 <epsy> #m wrtlprnft http://resource.armagetronad.net/~wrtlprnft/resourcelist.php <- 404
18:31 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:32 <epsy> #m wrtlprnft oh...nvm
18:32 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> beta.
18:33 <epsy> what does « beta. » mean in this case ? :P
18:33 <wrtlprnft> it's the beta.armagetronad.net website :)
18:34 <epsy> heh
18:34 <wrtlprnft> same server as the resource repo
18:34 <wrtlprnft> just, my private space doesn't work on resource.
18:34 <epsy> what are the possible chars in a resource author name, category, name, and version ?
18:34 <wrtlprnft> http://dashjr.org/~wrtlprnft/resourcelist.php works, though
18:36 <wrtlprnft> sec
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18:36 * epsy should learn regexp too :P
18:38 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/495172
18:39 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/c208.html
18:39 <vinavil> is it possible to have the chatbot going straight line? if so, how to?
18:39 <epsy> that's part of the coed used on the resource submission form ?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:40 <epsy> well, i see the line that interests me :P
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the errors tell you everything
18:41 <luke-jr|work> vinavil: just rip the chatbot out...
18:42 <vinavil> luke-jr|work: how to?
18:42 <epsy> comment it out ^^
18:42 <wrtlprnft> epsy: complete script: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/add-resource/upload.suid-php?view=markup
18:43 <epsy> heh, no thanks :P
18:43 <wrtlprnft> it's written mostly by luke, so it's cryptic and unreadable
18:43 <luke-jr|work> pfft
18:44 <epsy> what does the « , » mean at start of the regexp ?
18:44 <luke-jr|work> just cuz you don't know PHP doesn't make it unreadable
18:45 <luke-jr|work> epsy: it means that's the regexp delimiter
18:49 <vinavil> how do i rip the chatbot out?
18:50 <epsy> just remove it from source and recompile :P
18:50 <vinavil> ermmm
18:52 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: how can we rip out that chatbot in Fortress Test Server?
18:52 <wrtlprnft> ALLOW_CONTROL_DURING_CHAT 1
18:52 <wrtlprnft> or something like that
18:53 <wrtlprnft> though I like the chatbot
18:53 <vinavil> this gives you control, but until you use that control chatbot will move your cycle
18:53 <wrtlprnft> really?
18:53 <vinavil> i think so
18:53 <wrtlprnft> well, then there's no other way
18:54 <vinavil> arrr!
18:55 <vinavil> also it is already on it in fts
18:58 <wrtlprnft> you can wait for 0.2.8.3, its chatbot will be much smarter
19:01 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: could it be possible for 0.2.8.3 to add a chatbot selection? like you can choose to use it or not.
19:03 <wrtlprnft> need to ask z-man. I think the server shouldn't have a say on using a chatbot or not, anyways
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19:06 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: :) thx
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19:28 <wrtlprnft> yw
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19:31 <MrBougo> hello!
19:34 <wrtlprnft> s/h/y ?
19:34 <MrBougo> ????
19:35 <wrtlprnft> grr, no vim user :P
19:36 <MrBougo> aw no
19:36 <MrBougo> nano
19:36 <MrBougo> there's something sucky about nano
19:36 * wrtlprnft hates everytime he has to use nano
19:36 <MrBougo> it automatically creates new lines, and that's f*cking annoying when you edit system files
19:36 <wrtlprnft> -w
19:37 <wrtlprnft> alias nano='nano -w'
19:37 <MrBougo> i should use vim too, but i'll have to learn the basics first :)
19:37 <MrBougo> ooh ty
19:37 <MrBougo> i thought about aliases indeed
19:37 <MrBougo> but i didnt know you could do such aliases
19:37 <wrtlprnft> why not?
19:37 <MrBougo> and how do you call the normal nano then?
19:37 <wrtlprnft> sam
19:37 <wrtlprnft> oops
19:37 <wrtlprnft> /usr/bin/nano
19:37 <MrBougo> indeed :/
19:37 <MrBougo> xD
19:38 <wrtlprnft> there's a shell command, too, but i forgot it
19:39 <MrBougo> ima search in the manpages
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19:43 <wrtlprnft> obviously you could also make an alias nanow='/usr/bin/nano'
19:45 <wrtlprnft> there we go, use “command nano”
19:45 <MrBougo> wrtl!
19:45 <wrtlprnft> helps to set PATH= and then hit tab twice to see all builtin commands
19:45 <MrBougo> prefix the command with a backslash :D
19:45 <MrBougo> \ls
19:45 <MrBougo> i.e.
19:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that's another idea :)
19:46 <MrBougo> it worckz
19:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course, it has to
19:46 <MrBougo> why? :p
19:46 <MrBougo> sorry, i fell nooby
19:46 <MrBougo> feel*
19:47 <wrtlprnft> the aliases are parsed before substitution of backslashes and quotes and all that
19:47 <wrtlprnft> running “'nano'” works as well
19:48 <MrBougo> oh
19:49 <MrBougo> oh right, a backslash means "the next char is a regular text char"
19:49 <wrtlprnft> yep
19:50 <MrBougo> ok now i'm reinstalling my kubuntu :p
19:50 <MrBougo> i chosed "french" \ the install
19:50 <MrBougo> @*
19:50 <MrBougo> and french console is boring
19:51 <MrBougo> and the encoding is f*cked up
19:51 * wrtlprnft hates localized console output
19:51 <wrtlprnft> always makes it hard to search for an error message
19:52 <MrBougo> you have a localized linux too?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> besides, it's almost never fully localized, and mixing two languages doesn't work too well
19:52 <wrtlprnft> used to
19:52 <MrBougo> yep :(
19:52 <wrtlprnft> now i've got everything in english
19:52 <MrBougo> and english is curiously easier to use
19:52 <MrBougo> because you get easier support :p
19:53 <wrtlprnft> exactly what i'm saying
19:53 <MrBougo> even if you don't speak it very well
19:53 <MrBougo> oh right you said it
19:53 <MrBougo> i was half-reading
19:53 <wrtlprnft> my pronounciation sucks
19:54 <MrBougo> so does mine
19:55 <MrBougo> but i think it's understandable :p
19:57 <wrtlprnft> it is if i just try :)
19:58 <wrtlprnft> i'm just speaking too fast, but that's the same problem in german
19:59 <epsy> http://xkcd.com/c249.html
19:59 <epsy> XD
19:59 <epsy> i love that one...loool
19:59 <wrtlprnft> :D
20:00 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/c135.html
20:00 <wrtlprnft> still wondering how one would slove number 2
20:01 <wrtlprnft> though you won't be able to survive much longer than a second
20:02 <MrBougo> wtf lol
20:02 <wrtlprnft> well, a bit more, there's acceleration
20:02 <epsy> lol xD
20:03 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/c253.html
20:03 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft, this could help you
20:03 <MrBougo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve_of_pursuit
20:03 <MrBougo> but the problem sounds pretty complex if you consider this + the acceleration
20:03 <wrtlprnft> that one's fun if you imagine what would happen if you actually built these plans
20:04 <MrBougo> what the..
20:04 <MrBougo> lmao
20:08 <wrtlprnft> the current one is also fun
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20:12 <MrBougo> hehe
20:15 <luke-jr|work> doctors are so stupid and annoying
20:15 <MrBougo> bye all
20:16 <MrBougo> have a nice night :))
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20:23 <luke-jr|work> A howler monkey says, "Wawawawawa howler. Answer. Say; trazillion."
20:24 <vinavil> An armed human says, "In God We Trust."
20:26 <luke-jr|work> are you joking?
20:27 <vinavil> and you?
20:27 <luke-jr|work> ?
20:27 <vinavil> ?
20:28 <luke-jr|work> ??
20:28 <vinavil> ???
20:31 <luke-jr|work> try asking something that makes sense
20:31 <vinavil> what did i ask?
20:33 <luke-jr|work> [13:28:22] <vinavil> and you?
20:33 <vinavil> 20:23 luke-jr|work A howler monkey says, "Wawawawawa howler. Answer. Say; trazillion."
20:33 <vinavil> 20:25 vinavil An armed human says, "In God We Trust."
20:33 <vinavil> 20:27 luke-jr|work are you joking?
20:33 <vinavil> 20:28 vinavil and you?
20:40 <GodTodd> heh...*all* doctors are stupid and annoying?
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20:44 * GodTodd notes luke-jr|work really has no business complaining about people making/not making sense while he has that annoying howler monkey thing.
20:47 <_mkzelda> A kompletely krazy katholic says, "trad-caths ftw!! i will rewrite your books!!!11!1eleventy!!!"
20:48 <GodTodd> haha
20:49 <luke-jr|work> A howler monkey states, "Parlanti; that, wheee nelle."
20:50 <GodTodd> luke-jr|work: try saying something that makes sense
20:50 <luke-jr|work> A howler monkey says, "Heheheheheheheheh."
20:50 <GodTodd> A howler monkey says, "Please help me before luke-jr|work rapes me again tonight!"
20:51 <_mkzelda> A kompletely krazy katholic says, "A howler monkey says, 'some nonsense'"
20:52 <GodTodd> the ironic part is that luke-jr|work believes that animals don't have independent intelligent thought...so the idea of a howler monkey saying *anything* is blasphemous
20:54 <_mkzelda> Depends on what your definition of 'is' is
20:55 <_mkzelda> prepare for it to be redefined
20:55 <GodTodd> 'is' is a passive verb that shows a state of being
20:55 <GodTodd> :)
20:55 <_mkzelda> A kompletely krazy katholic says, "nope."
21:00 <epsy> is timidity able to use sf2 files ?
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> no
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> you need something else, but I'm forgetting what it's called right now
21:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's smaller and faster, though, and recommended by the rosegarden folks, so a little surfing on the rosegarden site should fill in the blank
21:15 <Vanhayes> anyone up for some civ later on?
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes just figured out what I'm likely going to be doing next week :)
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me, I came in to work to write something
21:22 <vinavil> An armed human says, "Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him."
21:24 * GodTodd notes that murder wasn't breaking a commadment at that time even :)
21:27 * vinavil notes that Cho didn't gave a damn to commandments as usual for humans
21:29 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, hmm well, on theyr webpage:
21:29 <epsy> What is TiMidity++
21:29 <epsy> ♪ Features
21:29 <epsy> Uses Gravis Ultrasound compatible patch files and/or SoundFonts as the voice data
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> then that's new?
21:29 <epsy> maybe
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> it didn't used to support soundfonts, *and* it was an orphan project
21:29 <epsy> i'ill rtfm then...
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> fluidsynth is the one I was thinking of
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> what are you wanting to do with it?
21:30 <epsy> (maybe timidity++ is a fork of timidity)
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> it is, but both were orphaned :)
21:30 <epsy> well, to play a midi file *correctly*
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe someone just adopted timidity++
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21:30 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, there isn't a "correctly" about it though
21:30 <epsy> lemme look on the news page
21:31 <epsy> Last Update: 2004-10-04 00:57:40 JST
21:31 <epsy> uh xD
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> even when you have a soundcard with a built-in synthesizer, its samples will differ
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> timidity++ plays them very well with the GUS patch set, imo
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> if all you're after is playing a midi file, then timidity is the best choice, imo. If you want to do other things, you probably want fluidsynth anyway :)
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> like, to use it as the synthesizer for rosegarden...
21:32 <epsy> well, i mean it sounds *completely* different
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21:32 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, think of it like web browsers. Web pages look different in different browsers, and that's how it's supposed to be...
21:32 <guru3> midi under linux? i use the hardware synthesizer of my card :>
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, then go down to the store and buy a $600 synth and plug it in and see what it sounds like then
21:33 <epsy> guru3, i dont have a card
21:33 <epsy> heh
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to try other sounds, fire up fluidsynth and load the midi file into rosegarden and fool with it
21:33 <guru3> ive just got a sound blaster
21:33 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, there is no "correct" about it, there's the composer's intent, and then there's what the listener has to listen with
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> if you want it "correct", you'll have to go to the concert and hope they don't make any mistakes
21:34 <guru3> (live! and up has hardware synth support in nix)
21:34 <guru3> depends on your sound fonts too
21:34 <epsy> well, one guy who really cares about these midi sounds(and many things around) proposed an SF file where these midis plays better
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> afaik, most cards that have hardware synths are supported by alsa, but many of them you have to load a soundfont first
21:35 <epsy> of course, in the rar archive, the instructions were for wingblows
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> just get fluidsynth and quit worrying about timidity
21:35 <guru3> PC51f.sf2 is the sound font i use
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> timidity is wonderful, I use it myself, but if you really want to hear it with a certain soundfont, just get fluidsynth
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> then type: "fluidsynth --help"
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> everything you need to know is there
21:36 <epsy> wow each time i run timi, i get at least 3 « No intrument mapped to ... » warning msgs, heh
21:36 <epsy> i'ill take a look at fluidsync
21:37 <epsy> *synth
21:37 <guru3> timidity didn't work well on my p1 :/
21:38 <epsy> and, before getting a new snd-card, i would rather buy a gfx card or a good i950 :P
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's big, and that's part of the problem with timidity :)
21:38 <epsy> (but i'm not sure if the i915 fits in my mb
21:38 <epsy> *i950
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> fluidsynth was started as a replacement for timidity that didn't suck so much cpu and supported soundfonts
21:38 <Lucifer_arma> there's serious latency problems with timidity if you try to use it for real music, so it should be viewed solely as a media player
21:39 <epsy> better for encoding, then ?
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> better for playback, and only that
21:40 <Lucifer_arma> if you're making music, you'll want to render to wav using fluidsynth so you can use your specified soundfont
21:41 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I *like* the GUS patch set in timidity, and I've got the cpu time to spend on it, so I use it
21:42 <epsy> well, i've no problem about spending cpu cycles, mine is rather good
21:43 <guru3> i like having it onboard the card
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21:43 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: no, your problem is someone being anal about how it sounds when you listen to it that should probably not have used midi if he was going to be so anal about it :)
21:44 <epsy> well, if you want i render two oggs for you to compare them, you'ill have a shock
21:45 <epsy> (and the midis were created in something like 1995)
21:47 <guru3> good ole '95 midis
21:54 <epsy> oh yeah, they are sigthly different
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course they're different, that's how midi was designed
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> midi isn't a file format, like .doc or .jpg
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's a protocol for devices to communicate that's been abused as a file format
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> if you hook up different brands of equipment, same equipment otherwise (i.e. keyboards, guitars, etc) to your sequencer, the music will sound different
21:56 <epsy> well, i got something that sounds like what it should sound like
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> *what you think it should sound like :)
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> you need the original composer to play it and record it with his equipment to get what it was supposed to sound like
21:57 <epsy> they published it -.-
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> just like building a webpage...
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> they chose the wrong format, although in 1995, they didn't have many choices
21:57 <Lucifer_arma> midi was used like it was for so many years on computers because it's small, not because it otherwise fits the design requirements
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> if it did, we wouldn't have .wav and .mp3 and so forth
21:58 <epsy> (crazy, how it sounds old :P )
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> mod was created to address these shortcomings in midi
21:58 <GodTodd> crazy that something from 95 sounds old?
21:58 <GodTodd> heh
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, they're not shortcomings, though. Midi was created for studio/stage musicians, not computer games
21:59 <epsy> fluidsynth: warning: Value out of range
21:59 <epsy> lol
21:59 <Lucifer_arma> fluidsynth spews crap in the terminal :/
22:00 <GodTodd> man...this IM discography is going to take forever :/
22:00 <epsy> if i could just know how to record output :P
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22:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I'm bored with glob2
22:21 <Vanhayes> what is glob2?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> some dumb game luke dug up
22:22 * GodTodd is listening to beatallica.
22:22 * Lucifer_arma always wanted to start a band called Smart Aleca
22:22 <GodTodd> this band rocks
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> "Cannot kill the Duracell!"
22:22 <GodTodd> dude sounds just like james too
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> "Master of Muppets is Kermit the Frog"
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> then I decided all the parodies were too obvious
22:23 <Lucifer_arma> "He's really green and in love with a hog"
22:24 <GodTodd> they even got the help of lars ulrich's legal team when sony went to sue them for copyright infringement
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> no shit?
22:25 <GodTodd> yeah
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> lars ulrich actually stood up for evil pirates? no way!
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> what was his cut?
22:25 <GodTodd> heh....metallica apparently loved the albums
22:26 <GodTodd> sony was going to sue over the use of beatles lyrics
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, they shouldn't have been stealing (lars ulrich is such a worthless piece of shit)
22:26 <GodTodd> heh
22:26 * GodTodd is listening to [Beatallica] - Leper Madonna (192kbps) [Noatun]
22:27 <GodTodd> he is a prissy little hypocrite is the thing
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> nooooooooooOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:27 <GodTodd> haha
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> "Follow the band that sucked!"
22:27 <Lucifer_arma> metallica was much cooler when we were all fooled into thinking they didn't suck
22:28 <GodTodd> they were much cooler before cliff bit it
22:28 <Lucifer_arma> Ride the Lightning is misspelled, it should be "We've sold our souls for money"
22:28 <GodTodd> haha
22:28 * Lucifer_arma dates Ride the Lightning as Metallica's sell-out moment
22:28 * GodTodd personally prefers megadeth and iron maiden.
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they don't make any bone about it
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> at least they're honest, you know?
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> and consistent....
22:29 <GodTodd> yeah
22:29 <Lucifer_arma> none of that "oh yeah, bring a recorder, record the show, spread it around, give it to all your friends, do the same for your friends that can't afford the studio album"
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> then "Oh shit! Not digital copies! We never thought of that! Don't do that! You're so evil!"
22:30 <GodTodd> heh
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> "We're so rich now, and you're taking so much money from us!"
22:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess back when they were poor, they literally had nothing to lose
22:31 <GodTodd> i like the episode of south park that talks about music piracy
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen that one
22:31 <GodTodd> shit...how the hell do they think they got the word of mouth that netted millions?
22:31 <GodTodd> s/billions/millions
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> man, even the new kids that thought that stupid album with the snake was the first metallica album turned on them over napster
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> do they have any fans left now?
22:32 <GodTodd> my son :/
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> so, just one fan, then?
22:32 <GodTodd> pretty much
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> yay! I have more fans than metallica!
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I have 4!
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> (3 kids + 1 weird guy on the internet)
22:33 <GodTodd> does that count me? (i'm on the bandwagon in case i need money when you make it ;))
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> make it 5
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> even though you're technically a weird guy on the internet...
22:33 <GodTodd> truly
22:34 <GodTodd> although...their songs are simple enough to use as "teaching" tools for learning guitar :)
22:34 <GodTodd> (as long as you legally buy the sheet music)
22:35 <epsy> man this has been like 3 weeks i stay on a channel about a game i never played...lol
22:36 <GodTodd> even i've played before
22:36 <GodTodd> :)
22:37 * GodTodd also notes that the majority of chat in this channel is something other than armagetronad anyway ;)
22:38 <epsy> heh
22:39 <epsy> i wasn't speaking of this one
22:39 <GodTodd> ah
22:39 <epsy> but #btrl on SorceryNet
22:39 <epsy> they made a demo af a 6DoF game
22:39 <epsy> i love these games <3
22:40 <epsy> but their binaries didn't work on my computer
22:41 <epsy> so i asked for the src
22:41 <epsy> he showed me a link on a wiki
22:41 <epsy> *someone
22:41 <epsy> which bored me
22:42 <epsy> and since 3 weeks i'm waiting that i want to install it again
22:42 <GodTodd> heh
22:42 <epsy> and chatting there with a guy of #e about one of the ops
22:43 <epsy> one of them is simply crazy xD
22:43 <epsy> he already kicked me for saying « xD »
22:43 <GodTodd> is his name luke-jr|work?
22:43 <epsy> LOL!
22:43 <epsy> no, KainX
22:43 <epsy> cmon, put some xD's
22:45 <epsy> #time
22:45 <armabot> epsy: 10:45 PM, May 18, 2007
22:46 <GodTodd> epsy: 15:45 PM, May 18, 2007
22:46 <GodTodd> er
22:46 <GodTodd> epsy: 3:45 PM, May 18, 2007
22:46 <deja_vu> Fri May 18 22:47:16 CEST 2007
22:46 <epsy> ??
22:47 <GodTodd> ...
22:48 <epsy> it did say that ?
22:48 <GodTodd> no...i did.
22:49 <epsy> why are you kidding me then ? :P
22:49 <GodTodd> i'm not
22:49 <GodTodd> that's the correct time where i'm at :P
22:49 <epsy> o -.-
22:49 <epsy> the 15h PM troubled me xD
22:50 <GodTodd> that's why i fixed that :P
22:52 * epsy loves asking stupid questions, like this: http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/irc_stupid_logs/lovingstupidquestions
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> what's xD, anyway?
22:57 <epsy> that's a smiley which means « laughing »
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, only smiley with an x in it that I know is :x, which means "I'll shut up now, sorry"
22:58 <luke-jr|work> Lucifer_arma: AIWarrush times 3 is somewhat challenging
22:58 <GodTodd> it's assymmetrical unless you do XD tho
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr|work: it's not the lack of challenge that's bored me, it's the repetition
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> "First build some inns, then build a race track and a pool"
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> "then wait, and wait, and wait"
23:00 <epsy> man, try saying him « *something* XD »
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> *something* XD
23:00 <GodTodd> him « *something* XD »
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> as a general rule, if you have to laugh to tell people you're joking, you're not as funny as you think you are
23:01 <GodTodd> kind of like if you have to explain a joke, it's not worth telling
23:01 <epsy> lol
23:06 <epsy> man this guy is really crazy
23:06 <epsy> * sobers_2002 (n=sobers@dsl-62-3-120-141.zen.co.uk) a rejoint #e
23:06 <epsy> <sobers_2002> what's the keyboard shortcut to minimizing windows
23:06 <epsy> <sobers_2002> in E16
23:06 <epsy> <KainX> sobers_2002: I seem to recall a keyboard shortcuts page in the docs....
23:06 <epsy> <mekius> KainX: classic response
23:06 <epsy> <KainX> Actually, I think "RTFM you blind son of a bitch!" would've been the "classic" response....
23:06 <epsy> really xD
23:08 <epsy> <mekius> KainX: well maybe just the RTFM part
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> go to #qt and type "!rtfm progressbar"
23:10 <epsy> heh
23:12 <epsy> what about it ?
23:12 <epsy> that a guy always comes next to ask a question about progress bars ?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, that the command is "rtfm", and it's frequently used to answer people's questions
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> for example: Does QTimer have a method that lets me <do this thing>?
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> !rtfm QTimer
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, they're starting to lock up the building, so I'm out for now
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23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7225 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: - Changed meaning of SILENCE_ALL on the server to work the same way as it does on the client.
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added ENABLE_CHAT to both server and client that does pretty much what its name suggests.
23:30 <armabot> armagetronad: See http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=172531#172531
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23:34 <vinavil> An armed human says, "You caused me to do this."
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23:48 * P4 listens to tom jones - she's a lady.mp3
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00:34 <Vanhayes> hmm, what happened to spidey?
00:34 <Vanhayes> I havent seen him talk in a long time
00:36 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
00:36 <Vanhayes> really long time
00:36 <Vanhayes> #seen spidey
00:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey was last seen in #armagetron 5 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <spidey> anyone up for civ tonight?
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00:46 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:28 PM ADT; Tonight - Periods of rain. Amount 10 mm. Fog patches developing this evening. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h overnight. Temperature rising to 12 by morning.; Saturday - Periods of rain. Amount 15 to 25 mm. Fog (1 more message)
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01:21 <Vanhayes> #night
01:21 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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01:36 <neostrider> hey armas
01:37 <_mkzelda> #weather 27545
01:37 <armabot> _mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 61.2°F (7:36 PM EDT on May 18, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
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01:43 <vinavil> does it exist a program to edit xml in cli?
01:54 <neostrider> nano ;-)
01:54 <neostrider> well
01:54 <neostrider> emacs should do the trick
01:57 <vinavil> thx
01:59 <neostrider> yw
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02:25 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: how do you explain wall parts missing in café? it seems to be quite usual.
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay, got my other mouse working again :)
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> now I need a soldering iron to finish it
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> vinavil: explosions?
02:27 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: it happens after big lags, but i remember previous versions never had this effects
02:27 <vinavil> Lucifer_arma: im not that idiot :)
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02:28 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: maybe is it the alpha version you are running there?
02:29 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: would it help a recording or so? let me know if you need help.
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02:33 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:33 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.7°F (7:30 PM CDT on May 18, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling).
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02:35 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
02:36 <vinavil> oh, hes gone
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02:49 <vinavil> what is "civ"?
02:52 <vinavil> ah
02:52 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
02:52 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Legacy Hills @ Legacy and Red River, Plano, Texas is 75.4°F (7:53 PM CDT on May 18, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising).
02:53 <vinavil> cant you just look out of the window? lol
02:53 <GodTodd> sure...i have a digital HUD that shows me the temperature and humidity
02:54 <GodTodd> (that was sarcasm btw) :)
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> hey, anybody know how to limit login time?
02:58 <GodTodd> on?
02:58 <vinavil> heh. dont you have a barometer? it is like to ask a chinese to say you when the traffic lights are green while he is watching in on satellite camera.
02:59 <GodTodd> no...i don't have a barometer
02:59 <GodTodd> or a humidity gauge
02:59 <GodTodd> but if my checking the temperature bothers you, i will check in one of my other channels
02:59 <GodTodd> sorry to be a nuisance
03:00 <vinavil> hey man, i was only joking, sorry
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I actually have such a hud, it's a firefox extension
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> I do weather here to show y'all my weather :)
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> I also get popups for severe weather
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's a nice extension
03:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://forecastfox.mozdev.org/
03:00 <GodTodd> i have that too, but it's nice to get a second opinion sometimes
03:02 <GodTodd> i have the 1-click weather one
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03:12 <GodTodd> 1-click uses weather.com instead of accuweather
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03:46 <Lucifer_arma> link?
03:58 <GodTodd> sec
04:00 <GodTodd> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1035
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> does it have a dashboard at all?
04:01 * Lucifer_arma uses the forecastfox because of its dashboard, he never looks at the forecast webpage because accuweather is an oxymoron
04:01 <GodTodd> how you mean a dashboard? like the forcast status bar stuff?
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> it looks like it does, in a toolbar
04:02 <GodTodd> yep
04:02 <GodTodd> and it has a nice expansion on hover
04:02 <GodTodd> detailed
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04:04 <Lucifer_arma> aha, much better
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> it has a spot in the status bar, just like forecastfox, but more accurate :)
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> thanks!
04:04 <GodTodd> np :)
04:05 <GodTodd> i likes it :)
04:10 * Lucifer_arma is so happy his mouse works again
04:10 * GodTodd is using a trackpad currently.
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> means I finally have enough spare parts (thanks to rico) to build a computer for the kids
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have a really nice mouse for my laptop that broke awhile back, turned out a connection just came loose. I patched it for now, when I find my soldering iron I'll fix it right and close it back up
04:11 <GodTodd> i already have spare parts....just no kids that need another computer yet
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> only this time I'll do something to prevent the thing that broke it originally, like glue it into one position
04:11 <GodTodd> ah
04:11 <GodTodd> i have a small wireless mouse for my laptop...but i also have a 15 month old son that likes to hide things
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it was my 3yo that broke my mouse
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> the wireless receiver, you can turn the end
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> but you can't turn it all the way around!
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> unless you're 3, of course, which breaks a circuit
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04:25 <Lucifer_arma> heh, looks like root down's back for a little while
04:28 <GodTodd> ?
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05:46 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
05:46 <armabot> pong
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06:41 <MrBougo> hello
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> hi
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06:43 <Your_mom_arma> wb?
06:44 <Bougo> yup :)
06:44 <Bougo> hello
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06:44 <MrBougo> i changed my IP :p
06:44 <MrBougo> that's the only nice thing with my ISP
06:44 <MrBougo> the IP isnt static
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07:22 <MrBougo> that was me
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08:26 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil need to ask z-man-work on that, too. He did almost all the physics changes since 0.2.8.2…
08:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:27 <MrBougo> huh
08:27 <MrBougo> does arma use physics?
08:27 <MrBougo> what kind of physics :p
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> Moosian
08:28 <MrBougo> no gravity, no advanced particles stuff
08:28 <GodTodd> the kind luke-jr will say is fiction
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> no momentum either
08:29 <wrtlprnft> it uses quantum phyisics
08:29 <MrBougo> interesting...
08:29 <MrBougo> xD
08:29 <wrtlprnft> if you hit a wall and have rubber left, you're simultaneously dead and alive, until the next sync comes
08:30 <MrBougo> oh yes, that's indeed quantum stuff
08:30 <MrBougo> nice analogy :p
08:30 <wrtlprnft> :P
08:42 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/toomuchssh.png
08:42 <wrtlprnft> meh
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08:46 <P4|away> ^^
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10:33 <P4|away> .
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10:33 * P4
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13:31 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Xian/rubber/blackbutterfly-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Xian
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16:08 <epsy> hi
16:15 <_Sticky_> #tea
16:15 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): Anun, G5, hoop, Kamakazi, Prince, sof, [nrx], ~*InfecteD*~, ~|DS|~zion
16:16 <akira_> :o
16:37 <epsy> #serverinfo howls
16:37 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “howls” at the moment, sorry.
16:37 <epsy> #serverinfo howl
16:37 <armabot> epsy: Howl's Moving Castle: No online players.
17:09 <MrBougo> ;o
17:09 <MrBougo> :o*
17:09 <MrBougo> <[o.o<]
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17:31 <epsy> man... http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/2007-05-19-172453.png
17:36 <_Sticky_> epsy: you clearly want this desk top: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ODskdEPnQ
17:39 <epsy> this proto ? oh, i already heard of it :P
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17:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
17:47 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 75.4°F (10:44 AM CDT on May 19, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Falling).
17:47 <DrJoeTron> go outside
17:48 <DrJoeTron> : I
17:48 <ghableska> #weather Des Plaines
17:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Chicago Palwaukee, Illinois is 66.2°F (9:52 AM CDT on May 19, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
17:48 <DrJoeTron> we be chill
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18:08 <vinavil> #armaconfig explosion
18:09 <armabot> vinavil: CYCLE_EXPLOSION_RADIUS: cycle_explosion_radius_help (default: 4) || EXPLOSION: Enable explosions? (default: 1) || EXPLOSION_RADIUS: Blast radius of the cycle explosions (default: 4) || SP_EXPLOSION_RADIUS: Blast radius of the cycle explosions in single player mode (default: 4)
18:13 <vinavil> EXPLOSION: apparently it has no use, could anyone enlight me about it?
18:14 <vinavil> EXPLOSION_RADIUS: same...
18:14 <vinavil> SP_EXPLOSION_RADIUS: same again...
18:15 <vinavil> it seems to work only CYCLE_EXPLOSION_RADIUS
18:15 <vinavil> maybe the other 3 act only for the client?
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18:22 <vinavil> indeed, it seems EXPLOSION (1 active, 0 inactiva) enables client side visual effect of explosion; EXPLOSION_RADIUS enables client side visualization of holes, same for SP_EXPLOSION_RADIUS but in sp mode. strange thing is that EXPLOSION_RADIUS command seems to be able to affect the visualization of holes in online game. so, how do you know how big is a hole for real?
18:28 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLTLbwT5CKc this is cooler
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18:35 <vinavil> so, i was wrong, apparently client doesn't affect visualization of holes and in server side a change relative to EXPLOSION_RADIUS or SP_EXPLOSION_RADIUS is directly related to CYCLE_EXPLOSION_RADIUS, this makes impossible to show holes where there arent or vice versa. well, maybe it could be good for future uses to have those commands indipendents. ghost holes are interesting.
18:37 <_Sticky_> naa
18:48 <philippeqc> anybody knows how to sniff trafic between AA's client and server, where they are running on the same machine?
18:48 <philippeqc> luke-jr: --^
18:48 <philippeqc> ethereal on lo!
18:48 <philippeqc> ooooooooooooooo
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19:13 <vinavil> z-man: could it be possible to have in next 0.2.8.3 the possibility to use or not to use the chatbot? I mean a simple way to disable it from the client. Then, while chatting, the cycle should go just straight line, right?
19:31 <DrJoeTron> uh
19:32 <DrJoeTron> can't you just not go in chat bot?
19:32 <DrJoeTron> that works pretty good compared to using chatbot
19:34 <DrJoeTron> also server side can make it so you just drive in a straight line
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19:35 <MrBougo> hello
19:35 <MrBougo> :))
19:37 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: according to vinavil that doesn't kick in until you use the control you get
19:38 <DrJoeTron> i dont fallow
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19:47 <vinavil> it seems setting_custom.cgf cannot affect the command cycle_explosion_radius. in fact when you change it, it automatically goes back to previous value when new round is run. how can i fix it to my favourite value? and why do exist commands that change back to default every round and others that do not?
19:48 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: can you help about above?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> #cfg cycle_explosion_radius
19:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_EXPLOSION_RADIUS: cycle_explosion_radius_help (default: 4)
19:55 <wrtlprnft> darn, it doesn't tell you
19:56 <wrtlprnft> you're not supposed to change that setting
19:56 <wrtlprnft> use EXPLOSION_RADIUS and SP_EXPLOSION_RADIUS
19:57 <MrBougo> i always forget sudo before apt-getting :/
19:58 <wrtlprnft> basically it's all commands you can access via the menu in a single player game. Those commands all have a normal version for multiclient games, one SP_ version for single client games and one CYCLE_ version that is automatically set to either the normal version or the SP_ version depending on the type of game
19:58 <vinavil> ok, strange anyway
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19:58 <Bougo> so this is irssi?
19:59 <Bougo> looks crazy
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19:59 <MrBougo> :D
19:59 <wrtlprnft> looks just normal to me
19:59 <wrtlprnft> you just have to use it to see its power
19:59 <MrBougo> hah, it's the very first time i used it
19:59 <wrtlprnft> especially in a screen session on a 24/7 server
19:59 <MrBougo> let me discover first p
19:59 <MrBougo> :p*
20:00 <MrBougo> lol
20:00 <MrBougo> "irssi, the client of the future"
20:00 <MrBougo> i wonder how many people read that and dl it then see it's console stuff then throw it away
20:00 <MrBougo> dumbasses
20:01 <wrtlprnft> i don't see what an irc client needs graphics for
20:04 <MrBougo> me either
20:04 <MrBougo> you can use mouse?
20:04 <MrBougo> whatever
20:04 <wrtlprnft> well, you can copy and paste stuff, because your terminal can
20:04 <MrBougo> it's more user-friendly, admit it
20:04 <wrtlprnft> the only thing that's really annyoing is that you can't click on links, you have to copy and paste them
20:05 <MrBougo> oh
20:05 <wrtlprnft> dunno, maybe irssi has gpm support, need to investigate on that
20:05 <Lucifer_arma> gonsole, or whatever gnome's terminal is called, will let you click on links
20:05 <MrBougo> rofl gonsole
20:06 <wrtlprnft> will they open in gonqueror?
20:06 <MrBougo> nah
20:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe so, maybe not
20:06 <MrBougo> it'll krep them
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> I think z-man should write ZDE
20:07 <MrBougo> oh shit
20:07 <MrBougo> ok my joke isnt understandable
20:07 <philippeqc> ZDE: z-man's development environment?
20:07 <z-man> Zero day exploits?
20:07 <MrBougo> because it doesnt mean anything
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> haha
20:07 <z-man> sorry, busy in a different channel, will read later
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> No, the Z Desktop Environment, of course!
20:07 <MrBougo> haha
20:08 <wrtlprnft> WDE is such a sucky name…
20:08 <MrBougo> Zarmagetron
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> Zebbrowser
20:08 <MrBougo> "Zarmagetron Zomg!"
20:08 <MrBougo> sounds like a nice catchphrase
20:08 <MrBougo> Zonsole
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, ZTerm
20:08 <MrBougo> and don't forget the excellent... Zolf!
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> better, ZModem
20:08 <philippeqc> WDE: Wuss Distributed Enclosure?
20:08 <MrBougo> #cyborg WDE
20:09 <MrBougo> ...
20:09 <wrtlprnft> and the browser would be called… WWW
20:09 <MrBougo> ooh
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> Willie's Wacky Webbrowser?
20:09 <MrBougo> xD
20:09 <philippeqc> WWWW: World-wide web Wroser
20:09 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg WDE
20:09 <MrBougo> or Wirefox
20:09 <philippeqc> Wozilla
20:10 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: timed out
20:10 <MrBougo> you could do a funny logo with "wirefox"
20:10 <philippeqc> Mozilla's evil twin!
20:10 <MrBougo> haha
20:10 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: it's got a compile job running
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> they could just use WebKit
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20:10 <wrtlprnft> just finished gcc
20:10 <MrBougo> oh
20:10 <philippeqc> wemacs vs wi(m)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> no, it just started it, actually
20:10 <MrBougo> Wano
20:10 <Lucifer_arma> I love wim
20:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: timed out
20:11 <wrtlprnft> wii Improved
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> Wirc
20:11 <philippeqc> MrBougo: Wano! you'r a Wuss!
20:11 <wrtlprnft> Wotepad!
20:11 <MrBougo> haha
20:11 <philippeqc> Wicrosoft
20:11 <wrtlprnft> WinWord
20:11 <MrBougo> what about Wrotepad
20:11 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer Wrogrammer's Wotepad
20:11 <MrBougo> "What"
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> oh no
20:12 <philippeqc> People would play "Wommand and Wonquer"
20:12 <wrtlprnft> ever wondered what the -w in nano means?
20:12 <MrBougo> and you'd call your packet manager "wapiti"
20:12 <wrtlprnft> WDE already exists, you just don't know
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> this is going to wind up with a "Who's on first?" remark
20:12 <MrBougo> wapiti-get Wonsole
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> #google wde
20:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.07 seconds: WDE - What does WDE stand for? Acronyms and abbreviations by the ...: <http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WDE>; Wyoming Department of Education Home Page: <http://www.k12.wy.us/>; World Data on Education - International Bureau of Education ...: <http://www.ibe.unesco.org/countries/WDE/WorldDataE.htm>; UNESCO: IBE: (2 more messages)
20:12 <wrtlprnft> haha!
20:13 <MrBougo> Westinghouse Digital Electronics
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> WDE Weapons Directing Equipment
20:13 <MrBougo> "WDE - We Don't Exist"
20:13 <philippeqc> wrt's a wuss from wyoming!
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20:13 * philippeqc likes Mr B's WDE
20:13 <MrBougo> it isnt mine
20:13 <MrBougo> it's Wrtlprnft Desktop Environment
20:13 <MrBougo> :DD
20:14 * philippeqc now hates Mr. B
20:14 * philippeqc spit in Mr. B's face
20:14 <MrBougo> oh
20:14 <MrBougo> thank you
20:14 <MrBougo> i was thirsty
20:14 * MrBougo hopes that philippeqc is disgusted forever
20:14 * philippeqc pull Mr's B's tongue, nail it to his forehead and force him to say "ananas" (pinable in french)
20:15 <MrBougo> rofl
20:15 <MrBougo> ananas?
20:15 <MrBougo> i still can write it!
20:15 <MrBougo> i'm out :p
20:15 <MrBougo> bye all! have a nice evening
20:16 <MrBougo> or day or night i don't know...
20:16 <philippeqc> Yeah, thirsty! Well bad news dude, I just chewed on a peice of shit before I spat in your mouth, so that means you SWALLOWED SOME POO! Juck!
20:16 * philippeqc thinks thats enough
20:16 <MrBougo> who would chew such a thing
20:16 <MrBougo> :D
20:16 <MrBougo> you i guess
20:17 <MrBougo> i'm out now :p
20:17 <philippeqc> well, that was fun
20:17 <philippeqc> cya
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20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/toomuchssh1.png
20:21 * wrtlprnft loves the stable-ness of linux systems
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 60 hours on average, even if i count in the laptop
20:23 <wrtlprnft> 67 without it :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 67 hours / mean time between windows crashes
20:23 <philippeqc> wrt, hours or days
20:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:23 <wrtlprnft> days, duh, stupid
20:23 <wrtlprnft> #g 67 days / mean time between windows crashes
20:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:24 <wrtlprnft> probably a divide by 0
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20:58 * z-man bought a carnivourous plant today
21:02 <wrtlprnft> to solve the mosquito problem?
21:04 -!- _mkzelda is now known as mkzelda
21:05 <z-man> Well, no, but to eat some of the flies so less stay for the spiders
21:05 <z-man> we're too kind hearted to ban the spiders, and they return anyway when you throw them out
21:05 <z-man> but maybe starving them out helps.
21:06 <z-man> I don't expect the plant to eat that much anyway.
21:06 <z-man> But it looks cute, like a choir :) It's one of those things with long tuby leaves with a lid on top.
21:15 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
21:15 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 71.8°F (3:16 PM EDT on May 19, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 42.8°F. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Falling).
21:21 <deja_vu> anyone here familiar with samba?
21:21 <eddiefantastic> I've used it a bit
21:21 <eddiefantastic> what are you trying to do?
21:22 <deja_vu> somehow i only get ~370Kb/s while uploading to the server.. Oo
21:22 <deja_vu> downloading is 800Kb/s
21:22 <deja_vu> usually transfers are about 1.2MB/s even with SSH
21:23 <eddiefantastic> well it has to write to disk when you upload
21:23 <eddiefantastic> Ah, don't know then
21:24 <deja_vu> :/
21:24 <deja_vu> the documentation tells me: "Generally, you should find that Samba performs similarly to ftp at raw transfer speed." ;)
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21:37 <Lucifer_arma> yay, mouse is fixed
21:37 <Lucifer_arma> er, where'd todd go?
21:37 * Lucifer_arma grunts
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23:54 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: CPS lady came
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00:16 <_Sticky_> #tea
00:16 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Android, BamBoy, eghb35u8 t38952, Goodygumdrops, GTron, ikono, kellogg, madmax, MaZuffeR, Monkey, Szukam Mamy, Tîger, WebGamer, ~*SP*~PsYkO, °°@shitakA
00:16 <_Sticky_> wow
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00:49 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: you guys pass?
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'll tell you about it later, gotta make wontons right now
01:16 <GodTodd> cool :)
01:35 <madmax|pt> good games today
01:35 <madmax|pt> on fortress
01:40 <akira_> some
01:42 <_Sticky_> yeah
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02:17 <mkzelda> are there any performance benefits to having thread support for 'boost'?
02:17 <mkzelda> i mean, for arma
02:27 <z-man> mkzelda: rather a penalty, thread support always eats a bit of CPU time when the application is single threaded
02:27 <mkzelda> thanks
02:27 <z-man> but not much of it, so if you plan on using the boos library for other stuff, go ahead and enable it.
02:28 <mkzelda> no, i only need it for arma, and would like to not have to do that too
02:28 <mkzelda> heh
02:28 <mkzelda> i think it took 4 hrs on my sparc
02:28 <mkzelda> and 45 mins w/ distcc
02:29 <_Sticky_> in these days of multiple cores will the threads distorbute themselfs across the cores...and give a speed boost?
02:30 <mkzelda> only takes 8 mins on this puter but it'd still be nicer if only the needed code was pulled out and handled in arma
02:37 <Your_mom_arma> who's the admin of fortress café?
02:40 <Your_mom_arma> really? anyone else that you know of luke-jr?
02:44 <_Sticky_> why>
02:44 <_Sticky_> ?
02:45 <_Sticky_> #tea
02:45 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): always last, hoop, ~*cOw*~
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03:14 <Your_mom_arma> perhaps later
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03:36 <Vanhayes> anyone up for some civ tonight?
03:37 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr, and myself so far van
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03:40 <Vanhayes> its only 10:30 here, and im the latest iirc
03:41 <Vanhayes> but im up for it
03:42 <Vanhayes> what about Lucifer_arma?
03:42 <Vanhayes> and does anyone know what happened to spidey?
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03:48 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
03:49 <Vanhayes> yell when you want to start
03:51 <Vanhayes> heh, "whomever"
03:56 <Vanhayes> sorry, i just find the word whom funny
04:02 <Your_mom_arma> pong
04:06 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd ping
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04:52 <Your_mom_arma> ?
04:59 <Vanhayes> hmm, looks like I'm getting up at 7 am tommorow, no civ for me tonight
04:59 <Vanhayes> #night
04:59 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:26 <MrBougo> hello :)
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06:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ping
07:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: pong
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> she said at the end of her visit that she thought this whole thing was ridiculous :)
07:06 <GodTodd> good, that's the impression you want :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> the good bit, as far as I'm concerned, is when she told me what *she* had heard about the urinary tract infection
07:07 <GodTodd> what was that?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> she had been told that the school had only "recommended" I take my daughter to the doctor to check for it
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> which is kind of like saying we dropped a little bomb on Hiroshima
07:07 <GodTodd> right
07:08 <GodTodd> or that the government "recommends" we carry car insurance
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I told her about the water bottle and the school's story, and the part where both versions of the story are accidents, why do they choose to lie to support their version if both are accidents?
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and of course, the nurse was a lot more insistent than "recommend", and the line of reasoning that goes "she demanded we take my daughter to be treated for UTI and *refused to talk about any other possibilities*"
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> so we could have *solved* this problem in the meantime
07:09 <GodTodd> exactly
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> so it comes down to, the nurse says "do what I say, when I say, or I'll try to have your kids taken away"
07:10 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> she agreed with my reasoning, or at least she agreed that it was my point of view :)
07:10 <GodTodd> heh
07:10 <GodTodd> and that it wasn't a "nutso" point of view
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> she kind of teared up when she asked how we "discipline" our kids, and I answered
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> of course, punishment doesn't work, and discipline != punishment, so we teach them discipline and don't punish them at all
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> we separate them when there's problems (like they're fighting), so of course they don't always see it as not punishment
07:11 <GodTodd> right
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> and when we go to the park and put our kid next to a kid that gets spanked for every transgression, ours is better-behaved
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> feels good to have older kids that actually justify our approach, there. :)
07:12 <GodTodd> heh
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> so she started tearing up over that, but controlled herself pretty well. Said it was refreshing to hear this point of view.
07:12 <GodTodd> yeah...cps people are usually against punishments
07:12 <GodTodd> especially physical types
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> for good reason. All it does is build resentment and drive the behavior you're punishing out of sight without stopping it, and in some cases making it worse
07:13 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and I told her that part, too, as part of the answer. ;)
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> my wife supported it, of course. The meeting basically required she separate us to ask us questions, then she had to talk to our youngest by himself
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> and she asked us the same questions, so she could easily check our answers against each other
07:14 <GodTodd> right
07:16 <GodTodd> now...the fallout from "those who are against you" could be unpredictable
07:17 <GodTodd> since the cps route flamed out on them
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> the principal already caved, remember? :) Put my daughter in a different classroom with only 6 days (her count, it was actually 7 that day) left in the year
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> now it's time for us to run our offensive, if we're going to run one (which we are)
07:18 <GodTodd> that doesn't neutralize the nurse, however.
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> so Monday morning we call the superintendent who hasn't called us back yet
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> we intend to neutralize the nurse by getting her fired, if at all possible
07:18 <GodTodd> ah
07:18 <GodTodd> that could do it ;)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm basically going to tell the superintendent my daughter peed on herself 20 times, 18 of which were preventable
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> but the nurse wouldn't work with us, and instead had to pull this cps stunt
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> and was completely wrong, every step of the way
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> in the meantime, the school has been instructed that our kids are *not* to see the nurse, and the teacher is to call home instead
07:19 <GodTodd> good
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> if they fire the nurse and reprimand the teacher, and the principal is acting reasonably (i.e. not doing it just to keep us from doing worse things), we'll feel reasonably comfortable sending them back to this school next year
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'd prefer the nurse be fired in such a way that ends her career, and the reprimand for the teacher should also be firing, but not in a way that ends her career
07:21 <GodTodd> right
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, anyway. Maybe the next time she utterly fails to control her classroom and tries to pass the buck then she should change her career
07:21 <GodTodd> thing is...if an investigation can *prove* she called cps maliciously...that could also constitute criminal charges
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> luckily texas schools are hurting so much for people that they can get away with firing the teacher and knowing she'll be able to find work again
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> if that's possible
07:22 <GodTodd> it'd be hard
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, it would be a felony. I spoke to the cps lady about that
07:22 <GodTodd> but if she's not too careful about her paper trail, it's possible tho
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> I told her I thought it was malicious and gave her what I knew, but admitted it wasn't strong evidence. So if she has to talk to the school again, I'd like her to have that in mind and see what she comes up with.
07:22 <GodTodd> exactly :)
07:23 <GodTodd> plant the seed and see what germinates
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping she sleeps on it and realizes how utterly ridiculous this whole thing was and comes to the conclusion that I'm not as nutty as I look, and goes looking for more.
07:23 <GodTodd> all depends on how overworked that branch of cps is
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, not this time, and I'll tell you why :)
07:24 <GodTodd> why? :)
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> the cps lady told us she had a kid, and she was well familiar with how you get surrounded by people telling you you're a bad parent
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> she even told us an anecdote about her and her kid over something, I forgot the exact story (maybe if I remember it, I'll tell you :) )
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> but it amounted to "This is my first kid, and I'm surrounded by people teling me I don't know what I'm doing!"
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> which is what happens with the first kid, near as I can tell. Happened to us, anyway.
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> so she has an axe to grind in that particular area, which is exactly what she sees the school as doing
07:25 <GodTodd> yeah...first kid is the guinea pig
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> which is a good interpretation, as far as I'm concerned
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> the counselor only has one kid, who is the same age as my daughter. And she basically came right out and told us she's still a knee-jerking first-time parent
07:26 <GodTodd> personally, i had a bit of an advantage having helped raise my brother and sister...but still nothing like one of your own
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> she didn't put it quite that way, rather, she said we needed a new doctor if ours couldn't see that a bloody nose was a symptom of a sinus infection (which the school nurse could see)
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07:26 <Lucifer_arma> the principal has two kids, but her oldest is just starting school next year, and her youngest is a toddler
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> so while she has more control over the knee-jerking, she still hasn't dealt with her own kid in the second grade
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> and the teacher doesn't have any kids, or even a husband
07:27 <GodTodd> yeah...thing is...once they hit school is when you get the most people telling you how bad you're fucking up your kid
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> the nurse said she had a son, but we don't know his age, and she's old enough he could be full grown
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they're teachers :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> actually, this is the first teacher we've had treat us this way
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> the other teachers have all done much better
07:28 <GodTodd> teachers, nurses, principals, paraprofessionals, bus drivers, etc etc.
07:28 <GodTodd> :)
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> but see, the principal and the counselor won't have it like we do. All they have to do is tell their kids' school what their jobs are and the problem goes away
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> they'll not be treated as dumb parents, they'll be treated as colleagues
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be acting like dumb parents, however
07:29 <GodTodd> luckily, i deal with special ed teachers right now and tommy is better behaved than most in there, so i get applauded most of the time :)
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> man, I realized tonight that I'm completely off the "don't spank your kids" bandwagon, I've moved to even more extremes than just not spanking
07:30 <GodTodd> i think my youngest is going to be more trouble at school than tommy could dream of being :/
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> we don't just get complimented for our kids being well-behaved, we get complimented that they're so well-behaved *and* happy
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> youngest always is :)
07:31 <GodTodd> well...i'm planning on him being middle by then
07:31 <GodTodd> heh
07:32 <GodTodd> just basically the "explain what they did wrong and why it was wrong" thing?
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretty much.
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> every time they fuck up is an opportunity for them to learn something
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> they can learn why what they did was a fuck up, or they can learn that daddy's an asshole
07:33 <GodTodd> heh
07:33 <GodTodd> how do you drive home the "asshole" part without the "punishment" part?
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> you don't, you do the first thing and drive home how they fucked up and what they can do better
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> they might still decide daddy's an asshole, but that's only because they think for themselves :)
07:34 <GodTodd> so basically they fix the fuck up so you'll shut up
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> we do use timeouts, and the idea is "you figure out how you fucked up, then we'll talk about it"
07:35 <GodTodd> yeah...that's how i use timeout
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> most of the time the talking about it doesn't hae to happen because they actually knew beforehand. Most of the time the timeout expires and we do nothing further because they're good kids and try to do better
07:35 <GodTodd> i figure the only point to it is thinking time
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I spot check them to see that they're actually thinking about stuff, and I really check their plans to do better when they keep doing the same things
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> for the most part, things that kids are punished for are always things they will just grow out of on their own
07:36 <GodTodd> right
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, why spank the kid for having a fist-fight? He'll grow out of it as he gets control of his temper, and that control only comes with age, maturity, and knowing the other kid will hit back
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> spanking just pisses him off in the meantime
07:37 <GodTodd> yeah...i don't like spanking either
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> and in fighting situations, the timeout serves to cool them down, defuse the tempers, etc.
07:38 <GodTodd> not to mention the "i'll show you it's wrong to hit by hitting you" aspect ;)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> they almost always go and apologize and hug after a fight if they're given time to cool down, and they do that part on their own, the apologies
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah. We already have the "I'll show you it's wrong to take by taking" thing going on, haven't figured out a way around that
07:39 <GodTodd> we're using some mild restrictions for tommy....i'm trying to come up with better ways than that tho....it's a little more challenging with him because he thinks a bit differently
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> we don't use restrictions at all. :) I've *never* seen them work, and I've seen them used on a lot of kids, myself included
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're working for you, I don't know, because I don't see it
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> but when I do see it, it never works
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> now, if you define me taking a toy away when the kids are whacking each other with it as a restriction, then we do use them
07:41 <GodTodd> i think the restrictions aren't working...but the "you can't do something you wanted to do because you fucked up" works pretty well
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> but usually I take the toy away once, let them cool down, give it back (long enough after the fact that they don't associate the return of the toy with anything), and the next itme I have to take it it's trash
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> that works well if you can make a direct association
07:41 <GodTodd> right
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> such as "You can't go with mommy because you took 4 hours to clean your room" works very well
07:42 <GodTodd> that's how we plan it
07:42 <GodTodd> right
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "Now you don't have enough time to go anywhere!"
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> works nicely. Not always the first time, though, but they do figure it out when it's a pattern
07:42 <GodTodd> or the "you took too long doing your homework so no gymnastics this week"
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> right. "Schoolwork is more important" etc
07:43 <GodTodd> exactly
07:43 <GodTodd> i think that's been working the best of anything i've tried
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> we had two tee-ball practices on school days, so if my son didn't do his homework, he didn't go to practice
07:43 <GodTodd> yep
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> he did his homework every day :)
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> he was required to go to the games, however, even when he started losing interest, because he had a commitment to the team
07:43 <GodTodd> yeah...at first they test to see if you're bluffing...when you stand your ground it's amazing how quickly stuff gets done ;)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> that was there only to deal with him waking up saturday morning and deciding he didn't feel like going, knowing that on sunday he'd change his mind and feel bad about not going
07:44 <mkzelda> #tea
07:44 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (1/32): ChixR4Fags
07:44 <GodTodd> right...like tommy is taking violin this summer...we told him he's at least required to finish out through august....if he wants to tell us to fuck off after that, then fine :)
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> haha, that's gotta be the stupidest arma name I've ever seen
07:45 <mkzelda> hehe
07:45 <mkzelda> that'd be me
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> gj mkzelda (hi there!)
07:45 <mkzelda> hey
07:46 <mkzelda> i hardly play anymore cause theres never anyone on fort or sumo, alwyas ctf and high rubber
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> that's odd, when I go in I always see people sumoing, and frequently on fort
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I haven't played in a while because I've been fighting the school instead
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> and right now I'm pretty high on myself, so watch out! ;)
07:47 <mkzelda> ive just crossed my halfway point on house arrest
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah? you can go through the front door now?
07:48 <mkzelda> i've finished 3 months out of 6
07:48 <mkzelda> only 3 more months and im done w/ everything
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> I worked with a guy who was on house arrest back at sonic, and he lived across the street
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> said the sensor didn't let him go past the back door so he couldn't take out the trash
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> then one night I was out smoking and he came out to bum a cigarette, I told him we had to walk farther away from the door
07:49 <mkzelda> ya its supposed to be a 150ft radius
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> he did, and I slowly inched towards the trash
07:49 <mkzelda> for me
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> we reached the trash and his sensor hadn't gone off, so I told him he had to take out the trash when he was done with that cigarrette
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> he was so pissed
07:49 <mkzelda> heh
07:49 <mkzelda> ya i have a lot of ppl call me and ask if im at home
07:50 <mkzelda> but despite the 150ft radius i get false alarms
07:50 <mkzelda> i've had 4 so far
07:50 <mkzelda> every time 4-5am
07:51 <mkzelda> #tea
07:51 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): dookatee, HsPramb
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy the cps lady thought this was a ridiculous call
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> I really hope she decides to grind her axe some more and go after the school
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> she doesn't have to find malice to make me happy, she just has to scare them shitless
07:53 <mkzelda> child protective services did what?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> you haven't seen my little soap opera?
07:53 <mkzelda> no
07:53 <mkzelda> i suppose i can scroll
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh man, heh
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to check the chatlogs
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> #realchatlogs
07:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
07:54 <GodTodd> yeah...if cps does any kind of investigating it should send the school scrambling
07:55 <mkzelda> my parents made my sister eat grits once
07:55 <mkzelda> she told the school they beat her and stuff
07:55 <mkzelda> heh
07:55 <Bougo> bye
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07:55 <mkzelda> they tried to get cps on my parents but luckily a teacher knew them well
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/log-2007-05-04.txt
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> story starts around 6:35 on that page
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to look yourself for the updates I've been dropping in with since then
07:58 <mkzelda> k
08:09 <GodTodd> wow...i'm moving up on the irc stats list heh
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08:23 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_arma is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 32 people!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_arma's faithful follower, guru3, kicked about 18 people.
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08:54 <Lucifer_arma> #m philippeqc my spellchecker's broken, did you get my massage?
08:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
08:54 <philippeqc> lol
08:55 <philippeqc> hi luci
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> hi philippeqc (hi there!)
08:55 <philippeqc> how is everything
08:55 <philippeqc> what was your massage about ;)
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> good. the cps lady told us she thought the call was ridiculous :)
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> no message, just a joke :)
08:56 <philippeqc> i got that
08:56 <philippeqc> what is a cps lady?
08:56 <philippeqc> and what call is taht
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> ah, child protective services, and the call was a call from my daughter's school saying we're awful parents
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, anybody here switched to feisty fawn?
09:01 <philippeqc> nope, not yet
09:01 <ToddAway> me
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> ToddAway: any problems with Adept?
09:01 <ToddAway> what's adept?
09:01 <ToddAway> heh
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> package manager, gui
09:01 <ToddAway> oh...dunno...i use commandline
09:01 <philippeqc> ToddAway: is it done without effort, or do I need to sit over it, and configure many things?
09:02 <ToddAway> haven't used gui pack manager since switching from gnome
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you talking about an upgrade, or are you looking at switching from Mandriva to it?
09:02 <philippeqc> I'm already on Ubuntu
09:02 <philippeqc> so just an upgrade to the current version
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok. I installed from scratch on a fresh hard drive, so I can't answer your question
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> I've got this weird thing happening with Adept where it won't actually do anything
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get works fine from the terminal, though
09:03 <philippeqc> o
09:03 <ToddAway> i'm still not seeing adept....i have add/remove and synaptic
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in Kubuntu, maybe it's a kubuntu thing
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I'll apt-get synaptic :)
09:04 <ToddAway> could be
09:04 <ToddAway> i've never had any problems with synaptic
09:04 <ToddAway> now...the update manager hangs for me sometimes
09:05 <ToddAway> philippeqc: you mean the upgrade to feisty? is it pretty much set it and forget it?
09:05 <ToddAway> philippeqc: if that's the question then "yes" is the answer :)
09:05 <philippeqc> ok, good to know
09:05 <ToddAway> upgrade was smooth
09:06 <philippeqc> Just got AA's code kinda working, so I didnt want to add new probs along the way
09:06 <ToddAway> heh
09:06 <philippeqc> anyone understand the smart pointers that z-man made for the game?
09:06 <philippeqc> or rather how to use them
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> man, I had a helluva time building the freeciv beta4 last night
09:07 <ToddAway> i hate my video card
09:07 <ToddAway> i have to reboot into an xgl session to run 3d games :/
09:09 <philippeqc> when I create a zone in the parser, I'd like to keep a reference to it for a bit.
09:09 <philippeqc> it seems that creating game object place them in some type of smart pointers so the engine can manage them
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> I have sex with animals. My wife can be pretty brutal...
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> *animal (just one)
09:10 <philippeqc> how could I get it "smart pointered" so the ref-count is updated
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: I don't know, but I think you're encountering a problem similar to what I ran into for the cycle sound
09:10 <philippeqc> luci, even though it is called a pussy, it doesnt count as an animal
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> cycle pointer disappeared, but I didn't know about it
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> look, humans are animals, no way around it. So any sex with humans is by definition sex with an animal.
09:11 <philippeqc> i understood that, but tried to dig your joke one degree deeper.
09:11 <ToddAway> bullshit....according to the Church of luke-jr (TM) humans are *not* animals
09:12 <philippeqc> I'd be hungry all the time if I was a comedian
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be laughing if you told your jokes in their native language :)
09:12 <philippeqc> no, I'm sure they are as funny in either language
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> (actually, I'd be checking google translate)
09:13 <philippeqc> I just get tolerated because people ASSUME its a language thing
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> hey, don't kill the buzz, man. I'd rather make the assumption that you have a really wonderful sense of humor.
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> it really offsets the pauly shore thing
09:13 <philippeqc> i changed hair cut in jan. No more pauly shore
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, we saw the picture.... ;)
09:14 <philippeqc> I didn't post a pick of my after-pauly-shore-hairdue???
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I somehow got distracted reading the irc logs and wound up reading P4's blatant idiotic homophobia that indicates he needs to come out of the closet since homosexuality is set in stone by the time you're 8 years old, and therefore not infectious
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: I was referring to your avatar :)
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09:16 <Lucifer_arma> so if he's worried because he's seen some cute asses on men, it's because he was already gay before he was 8, not because he got infected as an adult
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09:16 <MrBougo> "infected"?
09:16 <MrBougo> infected sounds so negative :/
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> not when it's HIV
09:16 <philippeqc> homosexuality is not contagious? Then why the heck am i still getting these kiss on the mouth from my immunologist?
09:17 <ToddAway> then it's positive :)
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll take gay love over straight hate any day
09:17 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, i thought you were talking about homosexuality
09:17 <philippeqc> we are
09:17 <ToddAway> damn fags
09:17 <ToddAway> kill them all
09:17 <MrBougo> yep but about "infected"
09:17 <MrBougo> stfu ToddAway
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I burned a bunch of fags the other night
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> I kept saying it, too
09:18 <ToddAway> heh
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09:18 <Lucifer_arma> when my wife got confused, I asked her "you're not familiar with the bundle of sticks definition of fag?"
09:18 <ToddAway> bahahaha
09:18 <ToddAway> he thought we were serious :)
09:18 <philippeqc> roasting marshmallow over burning fags
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> (it was when we were burning the tree clippings)
09:19 * philippeqc didnt know the bundle of stick definition, but likes it!
09:19 <ToddAway> brits call cigs fags too, don't they?
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> yessir
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> so they're burning fags all day and all niht over there
09:20 <ToddAway> yep
09:20 <ToddAway> damn homophobes
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think they use a different word than fag as a slur for homosexual, though
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> could be wrong
09:20 <philippeqc> fag: intransitive verb: to work hard
09:20 <ToddAway> probably
09:20 <ToddAway> they do work hard
09:21 <ToddAway> "i fagged his ass last night"
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> fag it, baby
09:23 <philippeqc> fagot is the bundle of stick according to m-w.com
09:23 <ToddAway> yep
09:23 <ToddAway> and a gay dude
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's frequently convenient to abbreviate that to "fag"
09:23 <philippeqc> gay dude is fag
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> fagot, too
09:24 <ToddAway> fag is just a way to get more hate out quicker :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> also, P4 is a good synonym for homosexual
09:24 <ToddAway> that and most homophobes are monosyllabic
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually surprised Bougo thought we were being bigoted. I've played enough arma with him that it surprises me he didn't know better
09:25 <ToddAway> heh
09:25 <ToddAway> serves him right for drawing a conclusion on a conversation that he entered in the middle of :)
09:25 <philippeqc> lol! love this community, we are discussing word usage of synonyms of homosexual, but in a non-homophobes way!
09:26 <mkzelda> fagsR4chix
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, speaking of whiches
09:26 <philippeqc> burn the whiches!
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> the school counselor made a big deal at that meeting back in february about how people really do judge by appearances, that appearances are very important, and that diversity doesn't work, they've tried it
09:27 <ToddAway> i believe i
09:27 <ToddAway> t
09:27 <mkzelda> lol what?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even know how to respond to that
09:27 <mkzelda> they intentionally bus people all over the place here
09:27 <mkzelda> to unnaturally force diversity
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> that's like telling me jesus was real and walked on water
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> stupid is stupid, I guess
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: that might not work, but I'm looking around this chatroom...
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> really, I get more surprised when I meet a white person these days, for some reason.
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> something about the course of my degree has reached a point where white people are a minority in every class now
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> make that WASP, specifically
09:28 <ToddAway> general society is different than here tho....in general society people do judge by appearances...that's why we hang out here :)
09:28 <philippeqc> What would Jesus do: "You should love your neighbor like you love your God. Burn them gaysexual. God is the only one who can judge."
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> which is what the school administration is, a bunch of WASPs
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> people judge by appearances *when that's all they have*
09:29 <ToddAway> yep
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> most people look deeper when they have deeper to look
09:29 <ToddAway> depends on region, i suspect
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> very *very* few, in my experience, ignore anything other than appearance
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't yet had one person at the school judge me negatively by my appearance, at least, not that they've acted in a way that I could see
09:30 <ToddAway> deep in the ozarks, for instance, would be different than a big city
09:30 <ToddAway> Lucifer_arma: that's because colleges tend to be more accepting
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm not flipping burgers, and on paper the minimum education requirements for my job are a BS in physics/engineering
09:31 <mkzelda> i get mixed responses due to my appearance
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> of course, where the rubber meets the road, they have to hire students or they don't get anybody
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09:31 <ToddAway> yep
09:31 <mkzelda> and its often not what i expect
09:31 <DrJoeTron> anyone here know much about NiMH batteries
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: are you a pauly shore lookalike?
09:31 <ToddAway> burn DrJoeFag!
09:31 * ToddAway is.
09:31 <mkzelda> sorta, but bigger fro
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: besides being made by magical rats?
09:32 <ToddAway> buuuuuuuuuuddy
09:32 <mkzelda> i met him once
09:32 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma duh
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: no, that's all I know, sorry
09:32 <DrJoeTron> i have a charging question
09:32 <ToddAway> it's a secret
09:32 <mkzelda> i went to see him at a comedy club and he pulled me up on stage for a karaoke contest
09:32 <DrJoeTron> o ok
09:32 <mkzelda> i had to sing 'strokin'
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you're the white guy with a fro
09:33 <DrJoeTron> or any batteries
09:33 <DrJoeTron> is it ok to charge while its being discharged?
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: just ask, man
09:33 <ToddAway> hey...pauly shore is funnier than carrot top
09:33 <mkzelda> haha
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, people do that all the time
09:33 <DrJoeTron> ok
09:33 <mkzelda> that comment was funnier than the 2 of them combined
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> however
09:33 <DrJoeTron> I'm working with these battery packs
09:33 <DrJoeTron> and they arent holding a charge well
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09:33 <MrBougo> blah
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> some devices are setup to not allow that, but you'll know when that happens
09:33 <DrJoeTron> they're also fairly new
09:34 <ToddAway> another thing about fags...
09:34 <ToddAway> :)
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's just a question of rates is all
09:34 <philippeqc> didnt get to ear much of carrot top. He seems quite agressive. Not really my type. But I'd have to check more to get a real opinion
09:34 <MrBougo> lol ToddAway, want me to leave again?
09:34 <MrBougo> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2007-05-20.txt ;)
09:34 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: that should be fine
09:34 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda thats the thing, they arent holind a charge fast it looks like
09:34 <DrJoeTron> it loses it fast it looks like
09:34 <MrBougo> sorry guys, but you really looked serious :p
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> haha
09:34 <ToddAway> MrBougo: if you followed the conversation, you'd know i've been joking and that i'm one of the least homophobic people you could find :)
09:35 <MrBougo> yep, but i didnt join at the good time :p
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he's so un-homophobic that he lets DrJoeTron (hi there!) peg him every now and then
09:35 <DrJoeTron> fuck wrtlprnfts chat log
09:35 <ToddAway> only when he buys dinner first
09:35 <ToddAway> otherwise i'm the giver
09:35 <MrBougo> who would fuck a chatlog
09:35 <MrBougo> :(
09:35 <ToddAway> i would
09:36 <ToddAway> i'd fuck almost anything
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> hell, if it was slightly warm, I would too
09:36 <DrJoeTron> LETS PUT IT ON GOOGLE HURDADURR
09:36 <ToddAway> i'm a nympho
09:36 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: then they sound like they've expended their life
09:36 <MrBougo> ToddAway, go fuck yourself then
09:36 <MrBougo> :D
09:36 * ToddAway humps a pole.
09:36 <MrBougo> aw
09:36 * ToddAway humps MrBougo.
09:36 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda i got them 2 days ago : /
09:36 <mkzelda> new?
09:36 <DrJoeTron> i think its a charger problem
09:36 <philippeqc> I recall helping a friend planning a murder mystery supper
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: take the duct tape off the wires and see if they're broken
09:36 <MrBougo> ToddAway, you need help
09:36 <MrBougo> definitely.
09:37 <ToddAway> MrBougo: nah...i can hump by myself :)
09:37 <philippeqc> you always need to tie in all person invited to the murdered person
09:37 <DrJoeTron> http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=102
09:37 * Lucifer_arma helps ToddAway (hi there!) hump MrBougo
09:37 <ToddAway> gangbang!
09:37 * MrBougo slaps Lucifer_arma (hi there!)
09:37 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: get you some of this!
09:37 <mkzelda> oh wait
09:37 <MrBougo> ganghump you mean?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> damn homophobe
09:37 <mkzelda> is this the first time you've charged them?
09:37 <DrJoeTron> gangfist
09:38 <MrBougo> why homophobe :(
09:38 <MrBougo> i thought you'd like it
09:38 * ToddAway fists DrJoeTron.
09:38 * MrBougo runs away
09:38 <DrJoeTron> nah this is like charge 5
09:38 <mkzelda> oh
09:38 <philippeqc> we ended up having the murdered person intimatly involved as "he was a gay men who got a sex change to become a lesbian woman", hence allowing the relation with all involved
09:38 <mkzelda> u must charge like 24 hrs b4 u attempt to use it
09:38 <DrJoeTron> but havent let them fully discharge
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: you're on the fifth charge in 2 days?!?
09:38 <mkzelda> and then let them discharge and do it all over again
09:38 <DrJoeTron> 24 hours?
09:38 <DrJoeTron> it says here 2 hours :/
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: you couldn't just say "you're his brother, you're his mother, you're his neighbor, etc"?
09:38 <philippeqc> T'was quite a messed up set-up, dont think anyone could have guessed it from their back-ground we gave them
09:39 <philippeqc> yes we could
09:39 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: you got ripped
09:39 <mkzelda> i used to work a cellphone booth and ive charged many cellphone batteries
09:39 <mkzelda> and laptop batteries
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: with NiMH batteries you're resetting the sensor, iirc
09:39 <mkzelda> u usually charge them 24 hrs
09:39 <mkzelda> w/o interruption
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I have to unplug my laptop every now and then and run the battery completely down
09:39 <philippeqc> but it is often in Agata Christie type setup with count such and such and Duchess of the little pond and butlers and all
09:40 <DrJoeTron> it wont charge them for 24 hours
09:40 <DrJoeTron> it stops after 4hours
09:40 <mkzelda> it cuts off automatically?
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> man, who gives a shit who murdered the count? isn't it good enough that another aristocrat is dead?
09:40 <DrJoeTron> if there is 2
09:40 <mkzelda> i dunno
09:40 <DrJoeTron> "each providing up to 25 hours of play time."
09:40 <DrJoeTron> should let it fully discharge?
09:40 <mkzelda> the size of that batter looks like a cellphone battery
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> don't play your wii so much?
09:40 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: i would
09:40 <DrJoeTron> but its NiMH
09:40 <mkzelda> yes, after a full charge u should let it fully discharge
09:40 <philippeqc> imagine a set-up where you receive instruction that you where a same-sex lover with murdered person, and having someone of the other sex infront of you claiming the same thing
09:41 <MrBougo> mkzelda, are you sure?
09:41 <DrJoeTron> since it cuts off
09:41 <MrBougo> oh nevermind, i thought you were talking about Li-Ion
09:41 <mkzelda> NiMH is supposed to have 'no memory'
09:41 <mkzelda> but they do
09:41 <DrJoeTron> it changes color
09:41 <DrJoeTron> the light
09:41 <DrJoeTron> should i just leave it in the dock
09:41 <MrBougo> Li-Ion should never be empty, right?
09:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: maybe this is a YHTBT minute?
09:41 <philippeqc> maybe
09:42 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: i dunno, if its auto cutting off, it knows best
09:42 <philippeqc> you have to have played a murder Mystery too I guess
09:42 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda i think I'm having charging problems
09:42 <MrBougo> it depends... did the light change with some voltmeter or with some timer
09:42 <mkzelda> but i'd try to use it up after a full charge
09:42 <mkzelda> be it 4 hrs
09:42 <mkzelda> or whatever
09:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> and several times, because the first time might only help it
09:42 <DrJoeTron> i think something moved the controller in the dock
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's how it works with my laptop battery
09:42 <ToddAway> DrJoeTron: tell the truth...you painted the light after four hours.
09:42 <DrJoeTron> and made it think it was done
09:43 <DrJoeTron> ToddAway fuck you, pig fucker
09:43 <ToddAway> you're a pig?
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, baconnnnnnn
09:43 <DrJoeTron> you make me squeal
09:43 <DrJoeTron> :B
09:43 <ToddAway> oink oink, baby
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> wait, DrJoeTron (hi there!) is fat?
09:43 <ToddAway> just his dick
09:43 <DrJoeTron> ToddAway thats a tumor actually
09:43 <ToddAway> ah
09:44 <DrJoeTron> :)
09:44 <MrBougo> you all need help
09:44 <MrBougo> and some sleep too
09:44 <mkzelda> its not a tumah
09:44 <MrBougo> and a lobotomy
09:44 <ToddAway> you have a tumor and gonorrhea?
09:44 <DrJoeTron> IM A COP U IDIOT
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> my dad had a tumor
09:44 <mkzelda> DYLAN!
09:44 <DrJoeTron> GET TO DA CHOPPA
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I finally saw cars
09:44 <mkzelda> i think i have a tumor
09:44 <DrJoeTron> the band?
09:44 <DrJoeTron> the cars?
09:44 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma ???
09:44 <ToddAway> the movie, i think
09:44 <mkzelda> back of my leg, behind my knee
09:44 <MrBougo> what car...
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I've got a growth of some sort on my neck
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> Cars, the movie
09:45 <mkzelda> its like, half a golf ball
09:45 <DrJoeTron> o
09:45 <DrJoeTron> :(
09:45 <MrBougo> oh ok
09:45 <MrBougo> i didnt
09:45 <DrJoeTron> the band would have been cooler
09:45 <DrJoeTron> best studio band ever
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> "I don't mind you coming here and wasting all my time time time"
09:45 <MrBougo> i dunno the band, but i'm sure it would have been better
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> nah, The Cars were the suckiest band ever
09:45 <DrJoeTron> WEEEEEEEEOOOWEEEEEEEEEEE
09:45 <mkzelda> i requested an appointment at the doctors office friday b4 last, and they havent called me back yet
09:45 <MrBougo> Lucifer_arma, and what about the film?
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> "You might think I'm crazy, all I want is jews"
09:46 <mkzelda> i think cause i said i dont have insurance
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> MrBougo: not sure, just remember someone here asking me if I'd seen it sometime in the last 6 months or so
09:46 <mkzelda> assholes, i have cash,
09:46 <MrBougo> $i wasnt here in the last 6 months or so
09:46 <mkzelda> i really just want my tumor checked out
09:46 <ToddAway> i thought it was "you might think i'm crazy, all i want is booze"
09:46 <mkzelda> hehe
09:47 <mkzelda> Jew crazy
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> sure it's not "You might think I"m crazy, all I want is ooz"?
09:47 <mkzelda> Jew must be jamaican cause jamaican me crazy
09:47 <DrJoeTron> nah guys
09:47 <DrJoeTron> its a homage
09:47 <DrJoeTron> to heuy lewis and the news
09:47 <mkzelda> homoage?
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> really?
09:47 <DrJoeTron> oh of course
09:47 <ToddAway> now *that* was the suckiest band ever
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> "You might think I'm crazy, all I want is news"?
09:47 <DrJoeTron> yes
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> nah, huey lewis was badass
09:47 <ToddAway> haha
09:48 <mkzelda> i thought it was the freedom to choose
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> Th-th-th-th-they say the heart of rock and roll is still beating
09:48 <ToddAway> you can't say that after listening to hip to be square
09:48 <ToddAway> honestly
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> listen? dude, I played it
09:48 <ToddAway> so did i
09:48 <DrJoeTron> this place is fucking bumpin
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, you did didn't you?
09:48 <ToddAway> yep
09:48 <mkzelda> i had an argument today that a cube has 8 corners, not 12
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> Steinhaus class?
09:48 <ToddAway> on flute no less
09:48 <ToddAway> yep
09:48 <mkzelda> the person i was fighting was adament
09:49 <mkzelda> he insisted that a cube had 12 corners
09:49 <ToddAway> 8 corners...12 sides
09:49 <MrBougo> :D
09:49 <DrJoeTron> 32 sides
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> he probably calls one cube a "dice"
09:49 <DrJoeTron> suoer cube
09:49 <DrJoeTron> super cube
09:49 <ToddAway> super ball!
09:50 <mkzelda> would a 4d square/cube have 12 or 16?
09:50 <ToddAway> super pussy!
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so hip to be square isn't huey lewis's best song
09:50 <ToddAway> haha
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> but what about "One that won't make me hurt, wondering what to do. One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm with a jew"
09:50 <DrJoeTron> itunes needs to stop being a cunt
09:50 <ToddAway> hip to be square should be grounds for the death penalty
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> "I want a new drug!"
09:50 <DrJoeTron> Ghost busters!
09:51 <DrJoeTron> Power of love too Lucifer_arma
09:51 <MrBougo> mkzelda
09:51 <MrBougo> #wikipedia hypercube
09:51 <armabot> MrBougo: Search took 0.14 seconds: Hypercube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube>; Tesseract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract>; Cube 2: Hypercube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_2:_Hypercube>; Latin hypercube sampling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)
09:51 <MrBougo> :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> If you ever saw Back to the future
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> man, I think we might be on to a cool running irc game :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> god damn
09:51 <philippeqc> last week, was at a party. As it was Eurovision song contest at the same time, we had our own lil competition.
09:51 <mkzelda> those were cool movies
09:51 <MrBougo> tesseracts are crazy, give it a try
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> dropping random jew references in quotes is fun :)
09:51 <DrJoeTron> that song was beaten into your head
09:51 <DrJoeTron> MAK FRAIY
09:52 <mkzelda> ya im familiar, couldnt remember it
09:52 <MrBougo> i've once tried to watch a tesseract projetcion on a space, with 3D glasses
09:52 <philippeqc> Best Song Ever! Everybody had proposed one, and people got to vote in the same fashion as in eurovision
09:52 <DrJoeTron> YOUR FAIUURRRRRD
09:52 <philippeqc> with 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12 point
09:52 <DrJoeTron> damn you needles....
09:52 <philippeqc> I wanted to come in the top 25%,so I searched for a long time for a song that would get me there
09:52 <ToddAway> jew ok, DrJoeTron?
09:52 <philippeqc> got it on he edge, place 8 of 34
09:52 <DrJoeTron> heendish
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> you know, as much as I've seen back to the future, the song I always associate with huey lewis is IF this is it
09:53 <philippeqc> with .... drum rool.... Eyes of the Tiger!
09:53 <mkzelda> 16 corners
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> please let me knoww, if this ain't love you better let me go! If this is it....
09:53 <DrJoeTron> eye of the tiger
09:53 <ToddAway> eye of the tiger rules!
09:53 <DrJoeTron> god damn
09:53 <mkzelda> eye of fatima
09:53 <DrJoeTron> i have to live with eye of the tiger
09:53 <ToddAway> it's the eye of the tiger it's the thrill of the fight
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's the eye of the tiger it's the thrill of the fight, rising up to the challenge of our rivals!
09:54 <philippeqc> ;)
09:54 <DrJoeTron> that song lost all greatness for me :/
09:54 <mkzelda> that starbucks commercial killed it
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> that song lost all greatness for me when my balls dropped
09:54 <DrJoeTron> not for me
09:54 <ToddAway> that singer is the dude that does the real men of genius radio ads for budweiser
09:54 <philippeqc> I was hoping to pull a Keanu Reeves in Matrix! So out it be cool again
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if the guy singing it didn't sound so wussy it wouldn't be so bad
09:55 <DrJoeTron> its the fact that my uncle is the drummer for jim peterik's band before survivor
09:55 <MrBougo> 8 cells, 24 faces, 32 edges, 16 corners
09:55 <philippeqc> its hair rock, you have to sing hi-pitch!
09:55 <DrJoeTron> and since jim peterik wrote it
09:55 <ToddAway> like rush
09:55 <DrJoeTron> he can still sing it :
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hair rock, it's , er, something else
09:55 <DrJoeTron> fuck you rush is awesome
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not even rush
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> rush can sometimes claim to be a hair band
09:56 <philippeqc> ok, half-air rock
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> this is more like Hall and Oates stuff
09:56 <ToddAway> eye of the tiger is arena rock
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> "She's a maniac, maaaniac, and she's a jew"
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> "And she danced just like she never danced befo'!"
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> wait, that's not the song I was thinking of
09:56 <ToddAway> haha
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> not maniac...different m word
09:56 <DrJoeTron> JOCK JAMS 96!
09:56 <ToddAway> you're thinking maneater
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> Maneater, that's it
09:56 <DrJoeTron> GET YOUR COPY TODAY
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> I can't even think of how maneater goes
09:57 <mkzelda> every time jews go away, you take a piece of me with you
09:57 <philippeqc> o o here she comes, watch up boy she'll chew you up...
09:58 <mkzelda> she's got an anteater
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've got eye of the tiger stuck in my head now
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> thanks asshat
09:58 <ToddAway> i remember jew
09:58 <MrBougo> looks good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Enneract_graph.svg
09:58 <philippeqc> your welcome, and yes i reacted on the asshat
09:59 <MrBougo> a 9-dimension hypercube
09:59 <ToddAway> wherever you go, whatever you do, i'll be watching jews
09:59 <ToddAway> err
09:59 <ToddAway> s/jew/you
09:59 <mkzelda> ill be right here waiting for jew
10:00 <philippeqc> billy jean's not my jew, she's just a girl ...
10:00 <mkzelda> Saying I love jew, is not the words i want to hear from jew
10:00 <MrBougo> wtf
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpgebOIwmE
10:01 <ToddAway> who jews gonna call?
10:01 <mkzelda> its not that i want jew, but if jew only knew
10:01 <philippeqc> mc zelda, cant guess that one
10:01 <ToddAway> christ busters!
10:01 <philippeqc> jews buster!
10:01 <mkzelda> alright ill make it easy... more than words is all jew have to do to make it real
10:01 <ToddAway> heh
10:02 <mkzelda> i used to play/sing @ open mic nights
10:02 <mkzelda> and i would do a purely raunchy version of that song
10:02 <mkzelda> removing all discretion
10:03 <philippeqc> pump up the jew, pump it up while your feet are jewin', and the jew is pumping
10:03 <mkzelda> haha
10:03 <ToddAway> gonna make jews sweat
10:03 <mkzelda> sweet jews are made of this, jew wouldnt mind to disagree
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> this is the cheesiest video ever
10:04 <ToddAway> metallica?
10:04 <mkzelda> hahaha
10:04 <mkzelda> that reminds me of that one quote, "they sold out in 15 minutes"
10:04 <mkzelda> "ya totally"
10:05 <ToddAway> took that long?
10:05 <mkzelda> "oh you meant for a concert"
10:05 <ToddAway> heh
10:07 <ToddAway> one of these days they're going to crack down on us using their name without express written consent
10:07 <mkzelda> heh
10:07 <ToddAway> we'll have to call them the Mband
10:07 <mkzelda> help me if jew can im feeling down
10:08 <mkzelda> i want to copyright a letter
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXonaBi_7c&mode=related&search=
10:10 <mkzelda> wow, the video responses
10:11 <mkzelda> u really just want to punch that mackenzie girl in the ovaries
10:11 <mkzelda> and then fuck her dad up too for making her that way
10:12 <mkzelda> she made a video on youtube b/c he got her a car for her bday and it was the wrong color
10:12 <mkzelda> so she sold it for $9.99
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10:15 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLTLbwT5CKc
10:15 <DrJoeTron> this is better
10:15 <DrJoeTron> sorry
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> is that private eyes?
10:16 <mkzelda> bette davis eyes
10:16 <mkzelda> i used to think kim carnes and rod stewart were the same person
10:17 <DrJoeTron> you know what
10:17 <DrJoeTron> i didnt know that holiday road was by Lindsey Buckingham
10:17 <mkzelda> no wai!
10:17 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was some lame house band
10:17 <DrJoeTron> my friend and i were talking about this
10:17 <mkzelda> ill alert teh intarnets
10:18 * Lucifer_arma hurts DrJoeTron (hi there!)
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTZLBI-H2kE <--- is this legit?
10:20 <mkzelda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cfgeRCsfI0
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's not, heh
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> man, watching Dennis DeYoung I just want to slap him
10:22 <mkzelda> as jew can see, im not black, i dont jew drugs and im not on crack
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0UWT5C5Ch0&mode=related&search=
10:24 <mkzelda> denny blaze
10:24 <mkzelda> he actually got played on vh1
10:26 <mkzelda> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7Kp_TapA4
10:26 <mkzelda> my name is attached to that one heh
10:29 <mkzelda> i ripped/encoded about 200 music vids '96-2000, its funny to see them pop up on youtube
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11:04 <epsy> ho
11:14 <guru3> I've realized that I now suck pretty badly at tron.
11:14 <epsy> heh
11:17 <guru3> Afterall, being second in the first round in months is hardly acceptable. :/
11:19 <guru3> I feel like I'd do better if it wasn't quite so lag-tastic on my end.
11:19 <epsy> hm
11:20 <guru3> Walls disapearing after I turn and what not are NOT reassuring symptons of connection stability.
11:21 <guru3> That and lag-o-meters that span 1/4 the grid.
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11:33 <guru3> I do fine until the lag-o-meters expand
11:34 <epsy> oO
11:35 <guru3> It's something weird with my connection here. Random lag spikes that don't show up in ping for some reason.
11:35 <guru3> But in other news I'm being trash-talked to.
11:35 <guru3> It's just like the good old days!
11:36 <guru3> I imagine because I'm running straight into walls I must look like a dolt. -_-
11:49 <philippeqc> in a generic, what does the following syntax mean
11:49 <philippeqc> operator T*()
11:49 <philippeqc> and how do I use it
11:50 <philippeqc> from tSafePTR.h
11:51 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: --^
11:55 <epsy> hmm i think i'ill shutdown kk...my clan
11:56 <epsy> this is simply a non-sense
11:56 <epsy> how many players wears that tag ? 2...lol
11:56 <epsy> maybe i'ill lauch it again when it would be really ready...
11:58 <epsy> #armaservers
11:58 <armabot> epsy: disabled
11:58 <epsy> ??
11:58 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ?
12:00 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: it seems to be an overload of the old-school typecast
12:03 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: it is
12:03 <wrtlprnft> sorry, wasn't here, could have told you that
12:03 <wrtlprnft> tXmlParser::node uses it IIRC
12:04 <philippeqc> the compiler agreed, so I went with it
12:04 <philippeqc> ty
12:04 <philippeqc> humm, I'm getting weirder and weirder bugs, but at least it can "play" (note the quotes
12:04 <philippeqc> I get one mega lag-bomb at game start
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12:04 <wrtlprnft> good luck
12:06 <philippeqc> wow, now it complains that user 0 (the server) is trying to cheat
12:07 <wrtlprnft> kick it!
12:07 <philippeqc> hummm, yeah
12:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, why is armaservers disabled ?
12:09 <wrtlprnft> #armaservers
12:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: disabled
12:09 <wrtlprnft> dunno
12:14 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://electricpotential.net/serverrss.php
12:14 <wrtlprnft> disabled until further notice due to software malfunction
12:19 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7226 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Zones are now working agains old server, but not agains itself
12:23 <philippeqc> anybody feel like having a look at my code, I'd be most gratefull
12:23 <philippeqc> the client kicks out the server on the second round because object Id 7 is already in use
12:24 <philippeqc> and there is a mega-lag bomb at game start
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12:26 <slot4> hi
12:27 <philippeqc> hello
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12:36 <epsy> heh
12:43 <eddiefantastic> philippeqc: if you need a server to test anything on I have a vps doing very little
12:44 <wrtlprnft> if you want to test for lag effects i suggest you use aabeta, it rocks at that :)
12:45 <eddiefantastic> hi wrtlprnft
12:45 <wrtlprnft> hi :)
12:45 <eddiefantastic> you want ladders for cafe? It'll be the old buggy version, but I'll set it up if you like
12:45 <eddiefantastic> I'm lost these days without edlog
12:46 <wrtlprnft> do you have a patch that includes just the edlog and PLAYER_MESSAGE?
12:46 <eddiefantastic> who me? ;)
12:47 <wrtlprnft> I don't want to hack it with all the pigpatch and zone spawning and so on
12:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you :)
12:47 <eddiefantastic> no, ctfw does some strange things lately
12:47 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: currently compiling server and client
12:47 <wrtlprnft> what sources does it run?
12:47 <wrtlprnft> can't find them on the server itself
12:48 <eddiefantastic> it's an old one before voodoo restuctured the points system
12:48 <eddiefantastic> I am planning on updating the ladder
12:48 <eddiefantastic> to use the new points system
12:49 <eddiefantastic> Then I can use the zones on a path, which is fantastic feature
12:49 <wrtlprnft> :D
12:49 <eddiefantastic> and there are no sources on the server
12:50 <eddiefantastic> copied the binarys (shame)
12:50 <wrtlprnft> heh :)
12:50 <eddiefantastic> The sources all use the new points system in edlog, means I need to modify the parser first
12:51 <eddiefantastic> Thanks Voodoo ;)
12:52 <wrtlprnft> I'll wait till I start doing anything about a café ladder, then
12:52 <wrtlprnft> but I'm thinking about using the CT database for it and making a combined ladder
12:52 <eddiefantastic> sure
12:54 <eddiefantastic> gtg, kids are away, diy day.
12:54 <eddiefantastic> help
12:55 <wrtlprnft> cya
12:55 <eddiefantastic> I meant /help, I'm new to this
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12:56 <philippeqc> wrt???
12:56 <wrtlprnft> great, can't get it to bootstrap
12:56 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what do you mean what source it runs?
12:56 <wrtlprnft> configure:1537: error: possibly undefined macro: _AC_SRCPATHS If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
12:57 <wrtlprnft> was talking to ed, asking what sources CTWF is running
12:57 <philippeqc> o wait
12:58 <philippeqc> coming
12:58 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7227 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/accustomdir.m4: Fix to allow compilation on the brach. Was fixed on the trunk
12:58 <philippeqc> I've tested with a square map and a simple zone
12:58 <wrtlprnft> ty
12:58 <philippeqc> <Zone name="jail">
12:58 <philippeqc> <ShapeCircle scale="10" rotation="0,0">
12:58 <philippeqc> <Point x="250" y="250"/>
12:58 <philippeqc> <Color red="0.8" green="0.27" blue="0.0"/>
12:58 <philippeqc> </ShapeCircle>
12:58 <philippeqc> <Leave>
12:58 <philippeqc> <EffectGroup owners="">
12:58 <philippeqc> <User user="all">
12:58 <philippeqc> <Target target="self">
12:58 <philippeqc> <Effect effect="death"/>
12:58 <philippeqc> </Target>
12:58 <philippeqc> </User>
12:59 <philippeqc> </EffectGroup>
12:59 <philippeqc> </Leave>
12:59 <philippeqc> </Zone>
12:59 <philippeqc> in about any map should do it
12:59 <philippeqc> I have to leave now, going to IKEA
12:59 <wrtlprnft> cya
12:59 <philippeqc> cya
13:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: a quick tip before I run off the door:
13:02 <philippeqc> a) there is some code still there that has been attempts to handle the 0.2.8 vs 0.3 version problem. Some can be removed
13:03 <philippeqc> b) the current solution is to give the zone a shape by default, and update it if it is in 0.2.8 emulation mode
13:03 <philippeqc> c) in 0.3, the shape should be overwritten by the info in the map (might be the switch from the default shape to the real one that cause the glitch
13:04 <philippeqc> d) the mecanism to turn on and off the emulation of the old behavior is there, but i dont think there is some code that enables/disable it as I could not figure yet in which case it should be
13:05 <philippeqc> e) ATM, only the zZone and the zShape are "game object". The other ones only exist on the server as non-game object. That might cause some ref-counting probs.
13:05 <philippeqc> I hope somewhere there is a bit of info that might help understand the code ;)
13:05 <philippeqc> ok, cya for real now
13:05 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:06 <wrtlprnft> aaa, stop!
13:06 <wrtlprnft> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `engine/eEventNotification.cpp', needed by `libengine_a-eEventNotification.o'. Stop.
13:06 <wrtlprnft> svn add, please
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13:09 <wrtlprnft> …
13:09 <wrtlprnft> too late i guess :(
13:12 <philippeqc> still here
13:12 <philippeqc> what?
13:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft:
13:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: its made from the makefile in src, and svn status say my file is not modified
13:15 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't exist here…
13:18 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/engine/
13:23 <philippeqc> o yes
13:23 <philippeqc> weird!
13:25 <philippeqc> added, commited
13:25 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7228 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/engine/ (eEventNotification.cpp eEventNotification.h): Mysterious files of unknown origin
13:25 <wrtlprnft> did you modify it? can i copy the version from the trunk?
13:25 <wrtlprnft> nvm
13:25 <epsy> #time
13:25 <armabot> epsy: 01:25 PM, May 20, 2007
13:25 <epsy> hmpf!
13:26 <philippeqc> now there should be no files probs
13:26 <wrtlprnft> no excuses :s
13:26 <wrtlprnft> *no more excuses
13:30 <philippeqc> now I'm physically leaving
13:30 <philippeqc> cya in a few hours
13:30 <philippeqc> and
13:30 <philippeqc> good luck
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16:00 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft?
16:00 <MrBougo> i'm trying irssi :p
16:00 <MrBougo> how can i list the people on the chan?
16:02 <MrBougo> ok, /names
16:02 <MrBougo> and how can i list the windows in the blue bar? i've seen this on a screenshot
16:04 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 21 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
16:04 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: dunno, my list would be quite long
16:07 <MrBougo> lolz okay :)
16:07 <MrBougo> irssi looks good :)
16:07 <MrBougo> but the only problem is the notifications
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16:09 <MrBougo> huh
16:09 <MrBougo> ima buy some Corsair Flash Voyager GT 4 GB
16:09 <MrBougo> i mean one
16:09 <MrBougo> not some
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16:12 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:12 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.3°F (9:10 AM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Falling).
16:12 <ghableska> #tea
16:12 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
16:15 <wrtlprnft> http://www.irssi.org/themes
16:15 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: the evilkat theme has it, you may wanna analyze that
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16:38 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi ← see under “Channel Statusbar Using Advanced Windowlist”
17:04 <MrBougo> ty wrtlprnft :)
17:04 <MrBougo> i'm out
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17:26 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 21 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
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17:51 <epsy> « test of /cycle command » what's that ?
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17:54 <wrtlprnft> gee, there seems to be a limit. The rest was supposed to be: ges in the <reason>
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18:02 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:03 <epsy> ah
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> /names ** is dangerous.
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> try /names **
18:05 <epsy> how it dangerous ?
18:05 <epsy> on a 1000-guys channel ?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> it shows EVERY nick on the server
18:05 <epsy> not here
18:06 <epsy> ony on the channel
18:06 <wrtlprnft> well, here it showed ~30 pages of nicks, then the server kicked me
18:06 <epsy> lol
18:28 <epsy> «System timer resolution is too low
18:28 <epsy> Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution timing source for MIDI performance.
18:28 <epsy> This may mean you are using a Linux system with the kernel timer resolution set too low. Please contact your Linux distributor for more information.
18:28 <epsy> »
18:28 <epsy> what does this mean ??
18:33 <wrtlprnft> sec, qemu has a similar warning
18:33 <wrtlprnft> Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. This is not a fatal
18:33 <wrtlprnft> error, but for better emulation accuracy either use a 2.6 host Linux kernel or
18:33 <wrtlprnft> type 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' as root.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> probably got nothing to do with it
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18:35 <Nixda876> hallo
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18:46 <epsy> wrtlprnft, got some time to loose ?
18:48 <epsy> *to waste
18:48 <epsy> :)
19:04 <armabot> armagetronad: * resources/AL/basic/SA-1.aamap.xml: Resource by AL
19:17 <wrtlprnft> epsy: how?
19:19 <epsy> a stupid test server
19:19 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v stupid
19:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “stupid” at the moment, sorry.
19:19 <epsy> wait a second
19:20 <epsy> #serverinfo delire
19:20 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “delire” at the moment, sorry.
19:20 <epsy> #serverinfo elire
19:20 <armabot> epsy: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “elire” at the moment, sorry.
19:20 <epsy> well, something called !delire!nodelire
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19:31 <MrBougo> hello!
19:35 <epsy> hay
19:40 <MrBougo> hoy
19:42 <MrBougo> #serverinfo delire
19:42 <armabot> MrBougo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “delire” at the moment, sorry.
19:47 <MrBougo> Everybody join the "!delire !nodelire" server, it's from epsy! and it's amazingly fun!
19:47 <MrBougo> :DDDDD
19:52 <epsy> uff the bots are gone -.-
19:52 <epsy> it's playable now :P
19:54 <z-man> Well, so much for the Defcon tournament.
19:55 * z-man got eliminated reaaaaly badly.
19:55 <epsy> heh
19:57 <z-man> I wonder, should I transform Elimination Sumo into Elimination Team Sumo for tonight?
19:58 <epsy> wow i think it will be REALLY buggy :P
19:58 <epsy> wouldn't it force players instead of teams to spectate ?
19:59 <z-man> I don't know, I'll check how the elimination works. I think it sets TEAMS_MAX, so everything should be fine.
19:59 <epsy> oh
19:59 <epsy> lol
20:00 <epsy> as simple as that ? heh
20:00 <z-man> yep. Wait x rounds, lower TEAMS_MAX. That's all there is to it.
20:01 <epsy> heh, i though it was selectiong players and so
20:01 <z-man> Oh yeah, wrtl noted of one bug that would happen, teams with less players will get eliminated first
20:01 <z-man> so no full team-> you go out first.
20:02 <epsy> uh...
20:02 <z-man> The algorithm that takes care TEAMS_MAX is applied is not designed for elimination tournaments, really.
20:03 <z-man> It tires to keep as many players as possible in the game, so it first tries to eliminate or throw together smaller teams.
20:03 <epsy> i see
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20:13 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
20:14 <MrBougo> bye!
20:14 <MrBougo> ghab, why do you use #weather 50266 now? :D
20:14 <ghableska> #ghab
20:14 <ghableska> because that doesn't work?
20:14 <MrBougo> :/
20:14 <ghableska> cya
20:14 <MrBougo> you could set it up again?
20:14 <MrBougo> :p
20:14 <ghableska> nah
20:15 <MrBougo> too easy to change it hehe
20:15 <MrBougo> :D
20:15 <ghableska> :P
20:15 <ghableska> #tea
20:15 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
20:15 <MrBougo> #ghabold
20:15 <ghableska> :P
20:15 <MrBougo> :(
20:15 <ghableska> I got rid of one of them
20:15 <ghableska> I think
20:15 <MrBougo> #echo ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
20:15 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.4°F (1:09 PM CDT on May 20, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
20:15 <MrBougo> i'm out
20:15 <ghableska> cu
20:15 <MrBougo> aww 12 players on café
20:15 <MrBougo> :((
20:15 <MrBougo> i should've joined
20:16 <MrBougo> it makes me remember the good ol' cvs test server
20:16 <MrBougo> bye again :p
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20:16 <philippeqc> back
20:17 <epsy> wb
20:17 <ghableska> wb philippeqc
20:17 <philippeqc> hi
20:27 <epsy> var_export is a very useful function for writing config files in php
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20:30 <ghableska> heh
20:30 <z-man> another netsplit?
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20:42 <epsy> #last --with beta
20:42 <armabot> epsy: [12:44:29] <wrtlprnft> if you want to test for lag effects i suggest you use aabeta, it rocks at that :)
20:42 <epsy> #last --with beta.arma
20:42 <armabot> epsy: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 5278 messages.
20:42 <epsy> #last --with pastebin
20:42 <armabot> epsy: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 5283 messages.
20:42 <epsy> dang
20:42 <epsy> #irclogs
20:43 <epsy> #realchatlogs
20:43 <armabot> epsy: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
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21:21 <wrtlprnft> epsy: http://beta.aa.net/~wrtlprnft
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21:33 <wrtlprnft> #later tell philippe* sorry, was eating supper. Didn't get too far, I still don't understand how it all works…
21:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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21:49 <wrtlprnft> mysql tables can be full?!
21:54 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
21:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:54 <wrtlprnft> meh, still doesn't work
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22:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: could you send me café settings please? rain@buio.org
22:17 <ghableska> #tea
22:17 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:18 <vinavil> ghableska: ping
22:18 <ghableska> vinavil: pong
22:20 <vinavil> :)
22:21 <ghableska> :P
22:22 <vinavil> i saw belenus playing tonight, ages that i didnt
22:22 <ghableska> wow
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22:36 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
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22:41 <_Sticky_> #tea
22:41 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:42 <_Sticky_> #tea
22:42 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
22:42 <_Sticky_> what?
22:43 <Vanhayes> that isnt right is it?
22:43 <_Sticky_> no
22:43 <_Sticky_> its empty
22:48 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: they're in /home/armagetronad/cafe/config/settings_custom.cfg on my server
22:50 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: it doesn't update right now
22:50 <wrtlprnft> the database reached its 4GB limit
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i'm increasing that limit right now, but that takes time…
22:51 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
22:51 <Vanhayes> hmm would that affect your servers by anychance?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> no
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it's a different machine
22:54 <wrtlprnft> it affects armabot and master 3
22:54 <mkzelda> have you optimized your tables?
22:55 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm storing a row for each server and minute, each containing its name, description and URI. I guess it could be optimized, but i'm too lazy
22:55 <wrtlprnft> the last OPTIMIZE TABLE has been some time
22:55 <mkzelda> i notice a huge difference when i do it
22:56 <mkzelda> and i thought my 25mb db was big
22:56 <mkzelda> it dropped to 12 on last optimize
22:56 <wrtlprnft> i haven't deleted from that table since the last otimize, though
22:56 <wrtlprnft> and the rows are still about the sam
22:56 <wrtlprnft> e
22:57 <mkzelda> afaik if you add anything new, the new stuff can be optimized to
22:57 <mkzelda> too
22:57 <wrtlprnft> only if the average row length changes
22:58 <wrtlprnft> also, i'm afraid that this command would need even more time
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23:00 <mkzelda> i have a forum that I optimized about 2 weeks ago, theres only been about 10 new posts, and its got 7.3KB that can be optimized... not much but when u scale that from 10 posts to whatever it is you're doing, that could be a great deal
23:00 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll do it after resizing the pointers
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i won't be able to get around doing that, anyways
23:01 <wrtlprnft> even if i save some 5% of memory, after one or two months I'll hit the same problem
23:02 <wrtlprnft> Note that MySQL locks the table during the time OPTIMIZE TABLE is running.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> that sucks, too
23:03 <mkzelda> yea
23:04 <mkzelda> so cron it for a time of low-usage
23:05 <mkzelda> #tea
23:05 <armabot> mkzelda: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): $Åt¶vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnown, ikono, Monkey, Sithy, yo mama, Zer0, ~*cOw*~, °¯AshitakA, °¯emo, °¯redice, °¯¢÷þx¢ät
23:05 <mkzelda> its not showing up in my list
23:06 <mkzelda> oh it is, but w/ 0 players
23:13 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: i generate long term stats based on it, low usage times don't help me
23:13 <wrtlprnft> besides, i expect this to take more than 24 hours
23:14 <_Sticky_> do you now get points for conqoring the zone??
23:16 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:16 <wrtlprnft> but you get less for winning
23:16 <wrtlprnft> _Sticky_: see http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=175091#175091
23:17 <_Sticky_> yeah just thought the new scheam slightly disadvantages goalies. however the old one massively advantage goalies
23:18 <wrtlprnft> exactly
23:18 <wrtlprnft> specifically, if there's two goalies left, I want to have a reason for one to attack
23:19 <wrtlprnft> if it was me vs one defender (with me already in attack position) I always found myself tempted to go back and let the other guy attack
23:19 <_Sticky_> i duno ive never seen many situations where neither will attack, useualy its a competition to see who can get on the attack first
23:20 <_Sticky_> there is no reward for making the winning kill is there?
23:21 <wrtlprnft> you still get 6 points for winning
23:21 <wrtlprnft> 6 points for winning by surviving, 10 for winning by taking the base, 4 points for losing but still conquering the base
23:22 <_Sticky_> hmm thats quite good for those situations where you loose by a fraction of a second...still get some reward for your effort
23:22 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:23 <wrtlprnft> as i said in that post, i'm thinking about changing it to 4 points for winning, 6 for getting the base, and re-enabling the winzone
23:24 <_Sticky_> i prefer death zone
23:25 <wrtlprnft> pointless if static, too intrusive into good fights if growing
23:25 <wrtlprnft> plus it breaks compatibility to old clients if it's growing
23:25 <_Sticky_> yeah but win zone ive never seen anoyone happy about people taking it
23:26 <wrtlprnft> if you only get 4 points the defender might actually be happy
23:26 <_Sticky_> personaly i would make a green coloured death zone
23:26 <wrtlprnft> nah
23:27 <_Sticky_> or maby a mystery box zone, 50/50 chance of winning/dieing
23:27 <wrtlprnft> see, if you assume a 50% chance of the attacker winning
23:27 <wrtlprnft> he'll give his team an advantage of 2 points on average
23:28 <wrtlprnft> he can gamble or take the winzone, for an advantage of 4 points
23:29 <_Sticky_> yeah but what pisses people off useualy is a win not based on skill but waiting long enough to get a win zone
23:29 <wrtlprnft> i haven't seen that happen too often
23:30 <_Sticky_> true but thats only due to the fact that almost no regular player will take a winzone
23:30 <wrtlprnft> which is stupid x_X
23:31 <wrtlprnft> what we need is a round end zone
23:31 <_Sticky_> well i prefere not to, id rather beat/lose to someone on skill rather than wait for the sure points
23:32 <wrtlprnft> I'll see what I'll do
23:33 <wrtlprnft> maybe just move both zones to a random location after some time
23:33 <_Sticky_> win zone can be a bit of an encouragement to let the last attacker in and sumo rather than keep up the box, which is good
23:34 <wrtlprnft> OTOH I don't want to deviate too much from standard fortress settings
23:36 <_Sticky_> i think my no1 request would be to somehow allow kick to spectator for a few rounds so you can explaing grinding
23:37 <_Sticky_> or allow them to start at the side of the map...some way of allowing new guys to take part without being kicked instantly
23:37 <_Sticky_> hmm wonder if you could display a grinding tutorial to people who need it
23:38 <wrtlprnft> the entire voting thing is a pain
23:38 <wrtlprnft> AFAIK the clients can only do kick votes
23:38 <_Sticky_> is that possible? could you show people a replay with some comentary to deom grinding?
23:39 <_Sticky_> s/deom/demo
23:39 <wrtlprnft> not easily, either
23:40 <_Sticky_> maby ill put that in as a request for the future...kick to spectator
23:41 <wrtlprnft> good idea
23:41 <_Sticky_> cant be that much of a pain to add
23:43 <wrtlprnft> maybe make all kicks kicks to spectator mode, and only if you get kicked again you'll be disconnected
23:43 <wrtlprnft> would be serverside only, at least
23:44 <_Sticky_> is there any ability to redirect people to other servers...ie kick to newbie friendly server
23:45 <_Sticky_> seem to remember other games doing that
23:46 <wrtlprnft> no, would need to be clientside
23:47 <vinavil> is it "message_of_the_day" for opening message entering a server?
23:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:48 <wrtlprnft> on newer clients it gets displayed fullscreen for a set period of time or until the user hits a key
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you have an intell i810, right?
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23:58 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah
Log from 2007-05-21:
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00:11 <Lucifer_arma> how do you get a reasonable framerate out of it in arma?
00:14 <wrtlprnft> disable the high rim
00:14 <wrtlprnft> and cycle textures, they appear messed up anyways
00:15 <wrtlprnft> or upgrade to a laptop with a 910 chip, much faster :)
00:24 <_Sticky_> i have 910 and get about 100fps
00:27 <_Sticky_> hang on linux is telling me i have an i810
00:27 <_Sticky_> hmm wonder what i do have
00:29 <_Sticky_> ahh 855gm
00:31 <_Sticky_> well 100fps on that anyway
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00:42 <_Sticky_> hay durk
00:43 <Durka> hai :D
00:43 <Durka> #hello
00:43 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: So, like us, let your children run wild and free, because as the old || saying goes, let your children run wild and free. || -- Homer Simpson || Bart vs. Australia
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: it's an oem-style desktop motherboard :/
00:46 <Durka> Lucifer_arma:
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> Durka, that's really fucking annoying
00:47 <Durka> :D
00:47 <Lucifer_arma> so it shouldn't surprise you when I ignore you as the boy who cried wolf
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> /ignore Durka
00:48 <Durka> :O
00:49 <mkzelda> man wal-mart is trying to build a super wal-mart in our neighboarhood
00:49 <mkzelda> the city did some illegal rezoning procedure
00:50 <mkzelda> and now its going to be 100ft away from houses
00:50 <Durka> dook!
00:51 <mkzelda> theres already been $15,000 raised and spent by the coumminity to stop it
00:51 <mkzelda> sup Durka
00:51 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7229 /tools/acme/trunk/ (. pygame/): Oops, screwed up
00:51 <guru3> luke-jr: what do you think the main issues with the DNS are again?
00:51 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7230 /tools/acme/trunk/: Fixing my acme screwup
00:52 <Durka> dookatee renamed to !#$!#@$!@^~!~@~##~!@#~!@#~#}{}{()()SP!#@$!@#$!^#$&^&#PsYkO!#@$!@#$!%}{}{
00:52 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7231 /tools/acme/trunk/: Copying pygame-based acme to trunk so I can start working on a Qt-based version of acme
00:52 <Durka> :O
00:53 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7232 /tools/acme/tags/pygame_obsolete/: copying pygame version to a tag so it can easily be retrieved later by any psycho that wants it
00:53 * mkzelda renamed to ._,~-=+*:;$?!#&@%"'^`</({[|~*SP*! PsYKo|]})\>`^'"%@#!?$*;:+=-~,_.
00:54 <mkzelda> needs more characters
00:54 <_Sticky_> why dont you guys like wall mart (note i have never been in one)
00:54 <mkzelda> well the problem is there are already 2 of them w/in 2 miles
00:55 <mkzelda> and
00:55 <mkzelda> they're abandoning one of them
00:55 <mkzelda> and building it IN A NEIGHBORHOOD
00:55 <mkzelda> not in a commercial area
00:55 <mkzelda> but imagine a housing community where they took out some houses in the very middle and put a wal-mart
00:56 <mkzelda> and they got approval through shady and illegal methods
00:56 <mkzelda> its going to make the property value plummet
00:56 <mkzelda> it will be difficult to sell our houses
00:56 <_Sticky_> but you will be able to get a gun at 3 in the morning
00:56 <mkzelda> it will bring traffic through our neighborhood
00:57 * mkzelda cant touch a gun ever again for life
00:57 <_Sticky_> again?
00:57 <mkzelda> or vote
00:57 <mkzelda> im a felon
00:57 <_Sticky_> kill a wallmart exectutive?
00:57 <mkzelda> no, downloaded mp3s
00:57 <_Sticky_> joking right?
00:57 <mkzelda> no
00:57 <madmax|pt> is walmart open at 3am?
00:57 <mkzelda> walmart is 24/7
00:58 <madmax|pt> didn't know that ><
00:58 <mkzelda> not all are
00:58 <mkzelda> but ours are
00:58 <_Sticky_> did you get fined/sentance?
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00:58 <mkzelda> i didnt have to pay fines cause i didnt have any money
00:58 <mkzelda> they knew they wouldnt get a dime from me
00:58 <_Sticky_> what organization?
00:59 <mkzelda> who brought me down?
00:59 <mkzelda> fbi
00:59 <_Sticky_> wow first person ive ever tlaked to whos been even warned let alone charged
00:59 <mkzelda> ive been on probation for 2 years 9 months, only 3 more to go
00:59 <mkzelda> currently on house arrest
00:59 <mkzelda> have been for 3 months
00:59 <_Sticky_> naa got to be a joke
01:00 <mkzelda> yea they made an example out of me
01:00 <mkzelda> 3 felonies, 2 for copyright infringement, 1 for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement
01:00 <_Sticky_> 3 years for copywrite infringement no way
01:00 <mkzelda> i almost got 5 years prison
01:00 <mkzelda> but i got a good lawyer
01:00 <mkzelda> and now im in debt $5000 for that
01:01 <mkzelda> i paid more than that, thats what i have left to pay
01:01 <mkzelda> the lawyer previously worked for the judge and the D.A.
01:01 <mkzelda> or else i'd be in prison now
01:01 <mkzelda> it was amusing actually, the D.A. pulled a fast one in court that made the FBI agents' jaws drop
01:02 <mkzelda> its completely real, i assure you
01:02 <mkzelda> they made an example out of me so i can tell others that its real, tho i still disagree w/ that law
01:02 <mkzelda> so, i just give advice like
01:03 <mkzelda> use safepeer, be a leech :D
01:04 <_Sticky_> heh
01:04 <mkzelda> if you really need proof i have documents that say "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs matt king"
01:04 <mkzelda> an yea, its ALL CAPS vs lower case
01:04 <mkzelda> like the entire country vs me wasnt enuf
01:05 <mkzelda> fbi valued my computers at $66,000,000
01:05 <mkzelda> heh
01:05 <mkzelda> #g 4 * 66
01:05 <armabot> mkzelda: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:06 <mkzelda> when they use that $250,000 figure per infringing copy, thats just 264 copyrighted works
01:06 <mkzelda> its funny cause i can go in the store and steal a cd and the actual physical copy is gone, cant be sold
01:07 <mkzelda> and the penalty for that is like a slap on the wrist - $1000
01:07 <mkzelda> but counterfeiting just devalues everything at once by a fraction, not $250,000
01:07 <mkzelda> they assume every illegal download would have otherwise been bought
01:08 <mkzelda> like kids can buy $66,000,000 in cds
01:08 <mkzelda> anyway, i hate wal-mart
01:11 <mkzelda> and i hate these greedy corporations like those found in the RIAA, who profit from all angles. They profit when u buy the cd, they (Sony) makes money when u buy their computers, CD/DVD burners, CD/DVD blank media, (WARNER) with their internet service u use to dl. In their commercials they advertise their services encouraging you 'download music, games, movies' , burn this or that, and then they profit sueing ppl when they do so
01:12 <mkzelda> its brilliant and i want a cut :D
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01:38 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7233 /tools/acme/trunk/libGUIacme/: Removing pygame gui
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02:01 <vinavil> #night
02:01 <armabot> Good night vinavil!
02:01 <vinavil> to you too armabot
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02:10 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7234 /tools/acme/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added main window ui file
03:35 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7235 /tools/acme/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Can't do svn cp without a commit, grrr
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05:06 <Lucifer_arma> er
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> what should be the dtd for a map?
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, found it
05:12 * Lucifer_arma is both irritated he has to update acme's parser and happy acme's parser was so primitive
06:25 <mkzelda> what u have goin on there Lucifer_arma?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> map editor
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07:00 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7236 /tools/acme/trunk/ (11 files in 7 dirs): Acme can now display the walls on a map.
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07:44 <Durka> mkzelda: ping!
07:46 <Durka> mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda mkzelda
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07:53 <MrBougo> hello :)
07:53 <MrBougo> lolz Durka
07:53 <Durka> :D
07:54 <MrBougo> #m durka I said :D but I didnt mean to but I actually did and now I...
07:54 <armabot> MrBougo: The operation succeeded.
07:54 <MrBougo> I what?
07:54 <MrBougo> I don't know
07:54 <Durka> :D
07:55 <MrBougo> #echo
07:55 <armabot> MrBougo: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
07:55 <MrBougo> #echo m $randomnick Heyy! I'm $nick
07:55 <MrBougo> :D
07:56 <MrBougo> there's so much Mario related stuff on thinkgeek
07:57 <MrBougo> fluffy coin-block plushie
07:57 <MrBougo> http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/japanfan/8c2d/
07:57 <MrBougo> ooh, there are gonna be news of Super Smash Bros. Brawl tomorrow!!!!
07:58 <MrBougo> new site tomorrow :D
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08:22 <z-man> I'm so excited! can't wait for the news!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah? that's fucking cool!
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> hey, here's something cool
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08:23 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7237 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/mapEditor.py mainqt.py): Matrix transformation to straighten out the y axis
08:24 <z-man> Yeah, baby, give me more!
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> all that time me and nemo spent figuring out how to simply flip the y axis turns out to be just 1 line of Qt4 code :)
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, PyQt4-based acme shows walls now
08:27 <MrBougo> rofl z-man
08:27 <MrBougo> i'm out :p
08:27 <MrBougo> have a nice day
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08:27 <Lucifer_arma> man, this is awesome. I can finally just write in arma's coordinate system and let someone else's code handle fixing it for display
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09:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7238 /tools/acme/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Factored wall code into new oo structure
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10:13 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7239 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added a view of spawn points
10:47 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7240 /tools/acme/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Trying to add zones
10:51 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7241 /tools/acme/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Just one last commit before going to bed, too sleepy to do anything else.
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11:02 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=175731#175731
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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11:19 <DrJoeTron> http://www.speakeasy.org/~sjmaks/bcb/
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11:54 <MaZuffeR> oops
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12:38 <vinavil> I've read on http://armablogtron.wordpress.com/ that wrtlprnft thinks to shut down one of FTS or 4TF. indeed i agree with him that it is becoming laggy. since i dont want any problem with both wrtl and durka, is anyone interested to host Fortress Test Server? i don't mind to have any power on it, just to have it online. i think it is an important server for fortress evolution. so, last thing i want is to create trubles to wrtl. would be gre
12:38 <vinavil> to have some help from the community. otherwise, if nobody is really interested to FTS but me, well, better to shut it down then, instead of somewhat else, maybe more interesting for the community. thanks. i'll post the same in forums.
13:26 <vinavil> i did a test with the help of sativa and p4. it seems when zones are conquered same time, it doesn't end in a tie, but wins who has less points. so, is it impossible to get a tie in a condition of same time zones conquering?
13:30 <guru3> OK, thought so luke, thanks.
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15:02 <MrBougo> helloes!
15:12 * ToddAway wonders how interesting a discussion of homosexuality would be between MrBougo and P4 :)
15:15 <MrBougo> xD
15:32 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: it's no problem really, I should look if that 1v1 sumo server is really being used, maybe shut down that
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15:36 <wrtlprnft> woot, the DB resize completed :)
15:39 <wrtlprnft> Data_length: 4269744120
15:39 <wrtlprnft> Max_data_length: 1099511627775
15:39 <wrtlprnft> this should suffice for a while :)
15:40 <wrtlprnft> 1 TB, I don't have that much space on all my machines combined
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15:51 <MrBougo> huuh
15:54 <wrtlprnft> uh-huh.
16:12 <MrBougo> huh
16:12 <MrBougo> your database is 4269744120 bytes?
16:13 <MrBougo> bits?
16:13 <MrBougo> whatelse
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16:19 <wrtlprnft> bytes
16:22 <[CH]DarkStar> hey
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16:50 <epsy> hi
16:50 <[CH]DarkStar> hello ^^
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17:13 <luke-jr_work> bye
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17:44 <epsy> #tea
17:44 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): Monkey, Player 897, ~{GP}~ Gabor, ~|DS|~|error|~, °¯emo
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19:09 <MaZuffeR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo some people have to much time on their hands
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19:12 <digitx> #kernel
19:12 <armabot> digitx: The latest stable kernel is 2.6.21.1; the latest snapshot of the stable kernel is unknown; the latest beta kernel is 2.6.22-rc1-mm1.
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19:37 <epsy> To protect against Search Flooding you can only start a search every 16 seconds. You have to wait 4 seconds till your next search.
19:38 <epsy> that's the worst thing i ever saw
19:38 <MrBougo> lol
19:39 <MrBougo> where?
19:44 <epsy> ddl
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19:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: hi
19:50 <MrBougo> philippeqc: hi
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19:50 <philippeqc> hi Mr B
19:52 <MrBougo> :p
19:55 <philippeqc> planning my bike trip to job
19:56 <epsy> hay, kde guys, there's a troll on #tremulous !!
19:56 <philippeqc> when I tried it last week-end, without a map, took me 4 hours to do the round trip
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20:15 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc
20:15 <wrtlprnft> didn't get too much done because I don't understand what's happening
20:16 <wrtlprnft> though one intetesting thing might be to find out in what function the client is hanging after you connect to a server
20:25 <philippeqc> back
20:25 <wrtlprnft> wb
20:25 <philippeqc> yes, that could be a good idea to search
20:25 <wrtlprnft> it's gotta be doing something in that time, it doesn't do any draws
20:26 <philippeqc> I guess the part you'd need to know is that the zone is now a holder of sub-objects, the most important one is the shape
20:27 <philippeqc> which is the physical component of the zone
20:29 <philippeqc> about the delay, I have a personal theory that somehow I read a message wrong (one byte too much, one too many) and that it takes a certain number of update message before one that gets to be properly aligned
20:30 <wrtlprnft> just hack it to output the number of bytes sent on the server and the number of bytes received on the client?
20:31 <philippeqc> and the number of bytes left at the end of the message after the read operation is completed
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20:48 <Vanhayes> #tea
20:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
20:58 <vinavil> #serverinfo test
20:58 <armabot> vinavil: Fortress Test Server: Players (1/16): Player 1
21:00 <epsy> hmm
21:00 <epsy> what is the difference between a new user and a player name « New user » who says a number ?
21:01 <epsy> *named
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21:02 <wrtlprnft> the [3]
21:02 <wrtlprnft> and it's always directly after a “Received login from” line, with the same number in []
21:03 <vinavil> usually players in trun are programs, not users, indeed they play because they believe in users, the mcp force them to play till they die playing! users make programs.
21:03 <epsy> [2 IP=89.240.205.120:3629] New user: 2
21:04 <epsy> where do you see a [3] ??
21:04 <wrtlprnft> the 3 was just an example
21:04 <wrtlprnft> what matters is the [2 in this case
21:04 <wrtlprnft> and actually you don't need to parse that message at all, no reason
21:04 <wrtlprnft> just parse the received login one, that's unique
21:04 <epsy> ok
21:05 <epsy> i see
21:05 <vinavil> but what will he do if mcp will know that!?!?
21:05 <epsy> haha rain :p
21:05 <vinavil> take care of yourself programs
21:06 <epsy> hmm the function that handles input is quite hacky on substrs...
21:06 <vinavil> will anyone join there?
21:07 <epsy> erm, me ?
21:07 <vinavil> i cannot win against arma, he is too strong
21:07 <epsy> http://pastebin.ca/500813
21:07 <epsy> (and of course i put random comments giving me hints on some other part of the code there)
21:10 <epsy> vinavil, do you even know what it is intended to do ?
21:10 <epsy> :P
21:11 <vinavil> armagetron?
21:11 <epsy> no, what i'm coding
21:11 <vinavil> no, let me know
21:11 <wrtlprnft> armagetron is really an attempt to introduce the german Bundestrojaner to every computer in the world
21:11 <deja_vu> :O
21:12 <wrtlprnft> it's a dangerous virus. screw that fake open source crap, it's just well- hidden
21:12 <deja_vu> oh noes *g*
21:12 <epsy> it's an attempt to a real auth system and a comaand prompt
21:12 <epsy> globally
21:12 <epsy> (also with modding)
21:12 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: do you have bundestrojaner in your hilight/wake list or what?
21:12 <vinavil> for arma?
21:12 <epsy> vinavil, you can also ask wrtlprnft for his definition
21:13 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: would that be suspicious? ;)
21:13 <epsy> no, for what i'm coding
21:13 <vinavil> and what are you coding?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> it would explain why you're lurking in here :)
21:13 * epsy listens bundestrojaner for morning
21:13 <epsy> lol
21:14 <epsy> vinavil, a log parser
21:14 <deja_vu> O_O
21:14 <vinavil> for arma?
21:14 <wrtlprnft> genlop ftw!
21:14 <epsy> yes
21:14 * deja_vu continues lurking
21:14 <epsy> and also for the f*ck*ng freaking !delire feature
21:14 <epsy> ^^
21:14 <wrtlprnft> what's delire, anways?
21:14 <epsy> #t fr en delire
21:15 <vinavil> i don't know this feature
21:15 <armabot> epsy: delire
21:15 <epsy> grmbl
21:15 <wrtlprnft> got it.
21:15 <wrtlprnft> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=frde&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&search=delire
21:16 <epsy> the inspiration came to me when i saw an admin on a « tremulous » server, he said « !delire » and gravity and speed changed
21:16 <epsy> stupid, eh ?
21:16 <wrtlprnft> it should be incremental
21:16 <wrtlprnft> everytime you call it it doubles/halves the speed
21:16 <epsy> lol
21:17 <epsy> i wonder why my !pwn command doesn't work anymore
21:17 <vinavil> chicky trrr trrr chicky trrr chicky chicky chicky chicky trrr trrrr trrrrr
21:17 <wrtlprnft> correct.
21:17 <epsy> wrtlprnft, do you know this one ? : http://www.sensagent.com/dictionnaires/
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21:19 <wrtlprnft> would require me to know some french
21:19 <epsy> is it in french ? :o
21:20 <wrtlprnft> looks quite french to me
21:20 <epsy> tough it was located
21:20 <epsy> *hrm*
21:20 <wrtlprnft> http://dictionary.sensagent.com/bienvenue/fr-en/
21:20 <wrtlprnft> that's better
21:20 <wrtlprnft> still, dict.leo.org is doing a good job for most things, and it's hosted in munich, a big bonus :)
21:21 <epsy> heh
21:21 * epsy adds one more hacky substr
21:21 <wrtlprnft> http://xkcd.com/c208.html
21:22 <wrtlprnft> vs http://de3.php.net/manual/en/function.ereg.php
21:22 <epsy> already saw that one :P
21:22 <wrtlprnft> the message being: use regular expressions, screw substr
21:22 <epsy> Note: preg_match(), which uses a Perl-compatible regular expression syntax, is often a faster alternative to ereg().
21:23 <wrtlprnft> i know, and usually don't care because i dislike perl
21:23 <wrtlprnft> and because the perl syntax stinks
21:23 <wrtlprnft> end because ereg is faster to type
21:23 <epsy> ^^
21:24 <epsy> oh man -.-
21:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:25 <epsy> hrm, no, strpos would be easy to cheat
21:25 <epsy> trough of a strpos on Received login from
21:25 * wrtlprnft hates the console log, it's ambigous like hell.
21:25 <epsy> s/tro/to
21:25 <epsy> true
21:25 <wrtlprnft> chat messages and all user generated strings should be marked somehiw
21:25 <wrtlprnft> *somehow
21:26 <wrtlprnft> I once tried to write a parser that read the language file and tried to extract the actual messages based on that, but gave up
21:27 <epsy> i'm even not bothering with custom lang files
21:27 <philippeqc> got a present for all of you!
21:27 <wrtlprnft> for example, how do you know if a user named “asdf” said “bar: foo” or if a user named “asdf: bar” said “foo”?
21:27 <epsy> zonesv2 ?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> zonesv42?
21:27 <philippeqc> yes
21:27 <epsy> (wow i'm not so pescimist
21:27 <epsy> hm ?
21:27 <wrtlprnft> ci, ci, CI!
21:27 <epsy> it doesn't crash ?
21:28 <philippeqc> nope, not anymore
21:28 <epsy> it doesn't bomb-lag ?
21:28 <philippeqc> nope, not anymore
21:28 * epsy grabs a copy
21:28 <philippeqc> wait
21:28 <epsy> :P
21:28 <philippeqc> commit doesnt work
21:28 <philippeqc> darn
21:28 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't do weird effects if playing on an old fortress servers?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> ci, ci, CI!
21:28 <epsy> svn rocks :P
21:29 <wrtlprnft> grats to the SVN devs for creating a heurestic that blocks the most interesting CIs
21:29 <philippeqc> wrt: it needs to be re-investigated, but it should be (moderately) fixed
21:29 <wrtlprnft> it soert fof fworks
21:29 <wrtlprnft> sometimes the zones rotate, sometimes they don't , somethimes they're not even there, sometimes they don't disappear
21:30 <philippeqc> grrr, error on commit
21:30 <epsy> what is U+007F ?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> ^?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin-1#Code_table
21:30 <epsy> nvm
21:30 <wrtlprnft> unused
21:31 <wrtlprnft> special control char in unix
21:31 <epsy> well, i'm seeing them in your 2 last messages
21:31 <wrtlprnft> i don't
21:31 <wrtlprnft> but my wlan dropped, and i typed those typo-filled lines blindly
21:31 <wrtlprnft> over a hanging ssh connection, maybe something got screwed up there
21:32 <philippeqc> could someone check the commit I did from 7242 to 7243 (on my zone branch)
21:33 <wrtlprnft> it's there
21:33 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: epsy: as I said, it worked agains older (local) server this (or last) week end, and now it works on same-version server.
21:33 <philippeqc> diff
21:33 <wrtlprnft> but SF SVN is slooow
21:33 <wrtlprnft> running
21:34 <philippeqc> 2 times : + eNetGameObject::WriteCreate(m);
21:34 <philippeqc> and 2 empty lines
21:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/500855
21:35 <philippeqc> ack, it worked!
21:35 <philippeqc> ok, I'll do a quick check for older version again
21:35 <wrtlprnft> making
21:36 <wrtlprnft> wanna make a server?
21:36 <philippeqc> wait, gonna try the compatibility thing first
21:36 <epsy> do we have maps, first ?
21:36 <philippeqc> o yeah, maps... nope.
21:36 <epsy> heh
21:37 <philippeqc> well, what is the version of the square that everybody has, is it 1.0.1 or 1.0.2?
21:38 <philippeqc> it worked!
21:38 <wrtlprnft> well
21:38 <philippeqc> except that a collapsing zone explodes
21:39 <philippeqc> but its not a blocking thing
21:39 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/screenshot_1.png
21:39 <wrtlprnft> yeah, wanted to say that
21:39 <philippeqc> can be fixed onthe trunk
21:39 <wrtlprnft> also, the zones have different sizes
21:39 <wrtlprnft> but please fix it in a resonable amount of itme
21:40 <philippeqc> you've been trying it?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:40 <philippeqc> ok
21:40 <philippeqc> ty
21:40 <philippeqc> could you post a small list on the forum. I should be going to bed very fast
21:41 <wrtlprnft> ok, cya
21:41 <philippeqc> cya and thanks
21:41 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:42 <philippeqc> if you feel like it, move it back to trunk. i dont want to risk it getting again out of sync
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21:46 <philippeqc> 'night
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21:47 <epsy> so... what remains before we can release it ?
21:48 <epsy> *well, before you release it, i should say
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21:55 <epsy> oh, the sound engine :P
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22:11 <epsy> salut kidd =)
22:11 <kidd> hi ;)
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22:32 <vinavil> how to turn off from client messages like "bla core dumped bla for bla..."
22:32 <vinavil> ?
22:32 <epsy> vinavil, cmon on !delire !nodelire
22:32 <vinavil> lol?
22:32 <vinavil> you know epsy?
22:33 <epsy> remove them from lang files
22:33 <epsy> do you want to know what tthe delire feature is ?
22:33 <vinavil> ?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: you can only turn them off on the server
22:35 <wrtlprnft> but you can turn off ALL messages somehow
22:36 <vinavil> yea, how :)
22:37 <wrtlprnft> or not
22:37 <wrtlprnft> i think i remember something
22:38 <vinavil> ?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> CONSOLE_COLUMNS 0 works
22:39 <vinavil> thx!
22:40 <wrtlprnft> yw
22:41 <vinavil> how to change back?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> CONSOLE_COLUMNS 60
22:42 <wrtlprnft> or whatever it was before
22:42 <vinavil> lol
22:42 <vinavil> i hope it is 60
22:43 <wrtlprnft> #cfg CONSOLE_COLUMNS
22:43 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CONSOLE_COLUMNS: Number of characters in each line of console output (default: 78)
22:43 <wrtlprnft> there you go
22:44 <wrtlprnft> it's 94 here, because i have a non-4:3 format and it just looks better :)
22:47 <vinavil> so, no way to choose output to see and to not see?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> not without hacking it
22:54 <vinavil> what about text_out?
22:56 <vinavil> text_out (0 - 1) maybe is better for the use?
22:57 <wrtlprnft> that's what i was looking for
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i KNEW such a setting existed
22:57 <vinavil> :)
22:57 <vinavil> but it removes al
22:57 <vinavil> all*
22:59 <wrtlprnft> anyways
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:59 <vinavil> gn
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23:47 <vinavil> #t italian english dilagare
23:47 <armabot> vinavil: to spread
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00:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.8°F (5:05 PM CDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa (Falling).
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00:15 <GodTodd> careful ghableska, some people might take offense to you using the weather command ;)
00:15 <ghableska> like luke-jr ?
00:15 <GodTodd> no...it was someone else...don't remember who
00:15 <GodTodd> heh
00:15 <ghableska> I think it was joe
00:15 <ghableska> or sticky
00:16 <GodTodd> wasn't joe
00:16 <ghableska> there are lots of people who take offense to it :p
00:16 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
00:16 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 79.7°F (5:17 PM CDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Falling).
00:17 <ghableska> wow...it's warmer here
00:18 <luke-jr_work> ghableska: ...
00:19 <GodTodd> yeah...we've had mild, rainy weather so far
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00:31 <_Sticky_> generaly me who objects to the use of the weather sommand
00:31 <_Sticky_> command even
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00:36 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
00:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 73.2°F (5:33 PM CDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling).
00:37 <_Sticky_> #weather hell
00:37 <armabot> _Sticky_: The current temperature in Baseline Lake, Pinckney, Michigan is 66.2°F (6:34 PM EDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Falling).
00:37 <_Sticky_> hmm hot
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00:49 <ghableska> #weather 50266
00:49 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 80.6°F (5:45 PM CDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 28.86 in 977.2 hPa (Falling).
00:51 <armabot> armagetronad: guru3 * r7244 /www/mainsite/ (archive.php index.php): news update: domain transfer
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> man, this is awesome
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm flooded with svn commit messages
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it's annoying when I'm the one generating them
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01:32 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
01:32 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 82.9°F (7:32 PM EDT on May 21, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising).
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02:06 <ghableska> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28326
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02:11 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7245 /tools/acme/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Drawing grid lines in the main map editor now
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02:33 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:33 <armabot> pong
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> #poke
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add peek echo "$nick: poke"
02:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:44 <Lucifer_arma> #peek
02:44 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: poke
02:45 <Lucifer_arma> don't accidentally type "www.python.com" when you're trying to read python docs
02:46 <P4> Lucifer_arma: LOL!
02:46 <ghableska> ew
02:48 <DrJoeTron> #pork
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #alias add pork echo "$nick: poop"
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #pork
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: poop
02:49 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove pork
02:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
02:49 * Lucifer_arma is trying not to contribute to a ton of useless aliases
02:50 <ghableska> heh
02:52 <P4> why the channel is secret?
02:52 <P4> Mode Lock is only +nt
02:52 <P4> i'd like to have #armagetron in my whois reply ;D
02:53 <P4> oh, there's even no topic lock
02:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_] by ChanServ
02:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-s] by luke-jr_
02:54 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o luke-jr_] by luke-jr_
02:54 <P4> thanks luke-jr_ :)
02:54 <luke-jr_> i wonder why it was +s
02:54 <P4> i mean no modleck not topic lock
02:54 <P4> omg im stoned ;P
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02:58 <ghableska> #tea
02:58 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
03:02 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma have you played super paper mario?
03:02 <ghableska> http://david-heron.me.uk/blog/2007/04/08/virtual-barbershop/ <-- freaky
03:08 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: that's fucked up
03:08 <ghableska> I know!
03:10 <Lucifer_arma> so if P4 gets high and plays arma, is it stoned pole violence?
03:11 <DrJoeTron> haha this is adorable
03:12 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: Just a little bit, why
03:12 <DrJoeTron> I'm barrowing it from a friend
03:12 <DrJoeTron> its insane
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03:14 <P4> what? :P
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03:27 <DrJoeTron> oh jonathan
03:27 <DrJoeTron> so neive
03:28 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
03:34 <DrJoeTron> PsYkO (emphasis mine) wrote:
03:34 <DrJoeTron> Jonathan - I think he was just implying that drugs and alcohol decrease reaction time
03:34 <DrJoeTron> Are you drunk? Razz At least I've always heard that it's the other way around.
03:34 <Your_mom_arma> oh, I see the confusion decrease=slower not decrease=faster
03:34 <DrJoeTron> yeah
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03:38 <Your_mom_arma> During an adrenaline rush time is perceived as slower. I remember reading a study about how they had people look at a machine that flashed a number faster then the brain could recognize it. Then when they looked at the same thing while bungee jumping everyone came back with the correct number.
03:42 <DrJoeTron> heh
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> adrenaline slows time locally
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> if we could figure out how to build a spaceship powered by adrenaline, we could go look at this new class M planet they found
04:09 <DrJoeTron> fuck that
04:09 <DrJoeTron> we go back to the moon
04:09 <DrJoeTron> and we colonize the fuck out if it
04:09 <DrJoeTron> or turn it into cheese
04:19 <Your_mom_arma> My votes for strapping rockets to Venus to push it into a habitable orbit. Easy to terraform, just add water.
04:21 <GodTodd> fuck that....i have faith that God himself will determine when his children are in danger of extinction and will provide for our well being.
04:22 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd thats a good idea
04:28 <GodTodd> of course it is...it was given to me by God
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm in favor of just pushing the moon down a bit and bring the center of gravity of the earth/moon system back to the precise center of the earth again
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04:48 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: now that's just nuts ;)
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I do think God's much more likely of putting his children in danger of extinction than saving them from extinction
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes I really hate writing general code
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> always get lost thinking about how many ways there are to break it
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05:12 * Self_Destructo slaps Lucifer_arma around with a pink Macintosh
05:12 <DrJoeTron> is that what you named your penis? :V
05:12 * Lucifer_arma chuckles as Self_Destructo's wussy Macintosh collapses against his hard head
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:12 <Self_Destructo> lol
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> hmm ...Isn't the moon drifting farther away from earth about 1 inch per year or so. Think that has anything to do with climate change?
05:13 <Self_Destructo> I'm not using a mac ;)
05:13 <Self_Destructo> just a built in slap
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: won't be noticeable for some time, and it's like 1 cm
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> the force of gravity the earth exerts on the moon is a radius-square rule
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> so nothing significant
05:14 <DrJoeTron> i thought it was like 24ft
05:14 <DrJoeTron> either way nothing taht noticable
05:14 <DrJoeTron> that*
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, basically (radius + 0.001m)^2
05:14 <DrJoeTron> the moons is pretty pig
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> in the denominator
05:14 <DrJoeTron> big*
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:15 <DrJoeTron> we're gonna fuck our selves up before that the moon goes away
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
05:15 <Self_Destructo> lol
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> with pink Macintoshes, no less
05:16 <Self_Destructo> Global Warming
05:16 <Self_Destructo> is not caused by carbon dioxide
05:16 <Self_Destructo> :)
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> you're right, it's caused by bible-thumping
05:16 <Self_Destructo> LOL
05:17 <Self_Destructo> which Bible am I thumbing?
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> does it matter? it's a Well Known Fact that religion of any kind is the cause of every idiotic thing that's ever happened in the history of mankind
05:18 <Self_Destructo> not totally true
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, got any suggestions for how I should initialize the angle of a spawn point when the file contains xdir and ydir, but no angle?
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> see, if I initialize angle in that case, er, nvm, I figured it out
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm just going to ignore it right now anyway
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> Are you working on the Armagetron Advanced Resource Editor(acme the sequel?)?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> nvm ignoring it, I have to deal with it, it appears
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: yes
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> it's not in a working state right now, though, because I've got the parser ripped open
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> but if you want to start testing it, you'll need to install python and PyQt4, and that should be it
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> make sure PyQt4 uses Qt4.2 or higher, and it's helpful to put the path to the python binary in your path
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> it theoretically already runs in windows, but I haven't tested it at all yet. It should only be path problems that might break it.
05:23 <Your_mom_arma> I've heard people from New York talk, and its much more understandable then the way that guy types out a post on the forums.
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> (and I used a path module that was previously written to work in windows)
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> oh no, I think "teen" is Zapple
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> or he's one of Zapple's loser friends
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> If you want me to test it once you get it working again, I'd oblige as long as I could figure out how to install(use?) it.
05:27 <Your_mom_arma> would python 2.3 be okay or would I need a newer verion?
05:28 <DrJoeTron> wha?
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably need a newer version
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> like 2.5 :)
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> PyQt4 will be what determines it, actually, because I'm pretty sure the standard library stuff I'm using was in 2.3
05:45 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7246 /tools/acme/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Parser works much better now, but only parses spawn points.
05:45 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7247 /tools/acme/trunk/libacme/ (resource.py resource_parser.py): Oops, forgot the resource parsing files needed
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05:48 <Your_mom_arma> hwy
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> hey
05:48 <spidey> hi
05:52 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7248 /tools/acme/trunk/libacme/ (map.py mapobjects/spawn.py mapobjects/wall.py): New parser knows walls and works on manta's crazy multi-team fortress map (the old parser borked on that map, hence the rewrite)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> now for zones..... :)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> are there any map elements besides walls, zones, and spawn points?
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> not counting anything in zones v2, that is
05:58 <Your_mom_arma> don't think so, unless you count embedding config stuff, which we don't
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm ignoring config stuff for right now
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> last thing we need is Durka hardcoding more config items into maps
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be left alone if there, though, since I went to a dom parser
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06:08 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7249 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Zones are now supported in the viewer
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully that means I can start worrying about editing now :)
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08:57 <P4> hi
09:29 <arctanx> evening
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12:15 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: how can i search a word in the logs? is there a way to have downloaded in my pc the every day log? or is anybody able to do a script to search a key word said by players? like it was in bugfarm
12:43 <eddiefantastic> hi, is anyone available help me test something?
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13:25 <iamLevi> hey
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14:12 <eddiefantastic> hi, is anyone available help me test something?
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14:13 <vinavil> what are requirement? :)
14:14 <eddiefantastic> I'm tesing a modified ladder on a clone of CTWF
14:14 <eddiefantastic> but I need an oppontent
14:15 <vinavil> oh, im coming
14:15 <eddiefantastic> thanks
14:15 <vinavil> is it on master?
14:15 <eddiefantastic> yes, it's crazy tronners wild fortress, the empty one
14:36 <wrtlprnft> eddiefantastic: still testing?
14:37 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: yeah, there is. Either use the more command to view the file, then search by typing /yourkeyword<enter>, or use vim
14:38 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: i think i'll use vim, im starting to hate nano! heh
14:39 <wrtlprnft> you can do that. try running rsync rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.ath.cx:/home/rain/testerver/console_log.txt /path/where/the/file/should/go/on/your/computer
14:39 <wrtlprnft> if you run it again it will just transfer the difference between your local copy and the one on the server
14:39 <wrtlprnft> you can setup a cronjob to run it regularily
14:40 <vinavil> oh nice!
14:40 <wrtlprnft> rsync is like scp, just better :)
14:41 <vinavil> hm
14:46 <vinavil> do i have to do it in screen?
14:47 <wrtlprnft> no, the rsync command has to be done on your machine, much like scp
14:47 <vinavil> hmm
14:48 <wrtlprnft> if you just want to look at the file with vim or view (readonly vim) you can execute that inside or outside of screen
14:48 <vinavil> maybe is it rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.org instead of rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.ath.cx?
14:49 <wrtlprnft> yeah, heh.
14:49 <vinavil> :)
14:49 <wrtlprnft> i rarely use that domain name myself, I made an alias for it in /etc/hosts
14:50 <vinavil> hm
14:50 <vinavil> rsync: link_stat "/home/rain/testserver/console_log.txt/." failed: Not a directory (20)
14:50 <vinavil> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1385) [receiver=2.6.9]
14:51 <vinavil> maybe without the /
14:51 <vinavil> ?
14:51 <vinavil> yea
14:51 <vinavil> worked
14:51 <wrtlprnft> i never said you had to put a / :)
14:51 <vinavil> you said
14:52 <vinavil> i have proof!
14:52 <wrtlprnft> no?
14:52 <vinavil> wrtlprnft you can do that. try running rsync rain@wrtlprnft.servegame.ath.cx:/home/rain/testerver/console_log.txt /path/where/the/file/should/go/on/your/computer
14:52 <wrtlprnft> note the space
14:52 <vinavil> ah!
14:52 <vinavil> ok ok, you won
14:52 <wrtlprnft> _D
14:52 <vinavil> :)
14:55 <vinavil> this is wonderful
14:55 <vinavil> they can finally use FEED key word
14:55 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:56 <wrtlprnft> bugfarm had a more sophisticated script. It also had debugging enabled and would save a recording on BUG cries
14:57 <vinavil> yea, unfortunately im not a programmer :) i should have done another school...
14:57 <wrtlprnft> well, I can'd do much with these recorings, either
14:57 <wrtlprnft> *can't
14:58 <vinavil> this is good enough for now, thx :)
14:58 <wrtlprnft> :)
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15:45 <P4> anyone want to test one warzone server? :}
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15:46 <P4> #tyskie
15:46 <armabot> P4: TYSKIE:WARZONE: Players (1/8): ©S¦µ4
15:47 <vinavil> im coming
15:48 <P4> ;D
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17:19 <epsy> hi
17:23 <epsy> hmm i really f*cked up everything in my script yesterday :P
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18:25 <MrBougo> hello
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19:44 <MrBougo> helo
19:44 <epsy> hay
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20:01 <armabot> gentoo: nyhm * gentoo-x86/games-server/armagetronad-ded/ (4 files in 2 dirs): waste of space - removed
20:05 <MrBougo> lol
20:14 <MrBougo> bye
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20:40 <spidey> #list alias
20:40 <armabot> spidey: roulette, add, armabot, armaconfig, babel, ball, bigbrother, bounce, bug, bye, cat, cfg, chatlog, check, crazylate, ctwf, dance, date, davestupidwebsite"rss, ddl, die, die, digg, digitx, ding, do, dog, dong, eliza, eroulette, f, fastfood, fortune, g, gcalc, gfight, go, goodbye, hello, hey, hungary, hyphy, impregnate, insight, ircstats, joke, killsomeone, laddle10, lastseen, legit, lock, (2 more messages)
20:40 <spidey> #more
20:40 <armabot> spidey: log, log, lukejrwork, m, man, mcalc, mfaq, monologue, morning, move, nano, night, null, onlineplayers, onlineservers, pacman, peek, pingme, piong, poing, praise, pwn, q, realchatlogs, remove, resources, rou, roulette, roulette, roulete, rules, roulette, serverdetails, serverinfo, slap, speed, stfu, stone, sty, svn, t, tea, team, tst4, tstservers, tyskie, uname, unlock, ur, w, (1 more message)
20:40 <spidey> #m
20:41 <armabot> spidey: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
20:41 <spidey> #m Lucifer_arma AFL server's running, are you still doing afl?
20:41 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
21:06 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yes
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21:44 <luke-jr_work> #alias remove lukejrwork
21:44 <armabot> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
21:44 <luke-jr_work> spidey: wb
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21:55 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): Emo From Rome, Psyc@, sof, [nrx]
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22:30 * luke-jr_work has an actual biz plan including exclusive features
22:30 <luke-jr_work> :)
22:35 <epsy> lol
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22:37 <Vanhayes> #serverinfo test
22:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Test Server: Players (4/16): lamafki, POWERZ, WBWASS, °°qain
22:43 <vinavil> Phil Stracchino! LOL! do you know what is stracchino in italian? lol, it is a soft cheese.
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23:27 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:27 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.8°F (4:24 PM CDT on May 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 28.85 in 976.9 hPa (Falling).
23:34 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
23:34 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 79.7°F (4:36 PM CDT on May 22, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Rising).
23:35 <vinavil> #weather myroom
23:35 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "myroom".
23:35 <vinavil> ah!
23:35 <ghableska> agh, finals in one week
23:36 <vinavil> of what?
23:36 <ghableska> end-of-year exams
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23:36 <vinavil> hehe
23:36 <GodTodd> agh, class starts in one week
23:36 <GodTodd> ;)
23:37 <vinavil> im searching a work :S
23:37 <ghableska> class ends in a little more than a week, hehe
23:37 <GodTodd> well...class ended for me like two weeks ago
23:37 <GodTodd> summer semester starts next week :)
23:38 <ghableska> ah
23:38 * ghableska laughs at GodTodd
23:38 <vinavil> where do you live?
23:38 <ghableska> Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas
23:38 <vinavil> i mean todd
23:38 <ghableska> :p
23:39 <GodTodd> ^^^
23:39 <vinavil> in italy students have 3 months of summer vacation
23:39 <vinavil> and 2 weeks for xmas
23:39 <GodTodd> i could have that long....but i prefer to get credits out of the way in the summer
23:39 <vinavil> and maybe one for easter
23:40 <vinavil> dunno, im still searching a work :S
23:40 <vinavil> anybody has anything to offer?
23:40 <vinavil> i can move everywhere, i dont mind, just to earn enough to stay alive
23:40 <GodTodd> come clean my house twice a week?
23:40 <GodTodd> heh
23:41 <vinavil> ok, how much do you offer?
23:41 * vinavil is not joking
23:41 <ghableska> o_O
23:42 <GodTodd> depends....legal or illegal immigrant?
23:42 <vinavil> im really searching a work and ready to move anywhere
23:42 <vinavil> todd: what do i have to do to be legal?
23:42 <GodTodd> heh...not sure really
23:42 <vinavil> are you in us?
23:42 <GodTodd> yep
23:43 <GodTodd> probably more now than ever before tho
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23:43 <vinavil> i already know how there, it is not so difficult
23:44 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: :)
23:44 <GodTodd> you could work for luke-jr_work...probably just marketing
23:44 <vinavil> i only need a job and they will give me citazablebubihoweveryouspellit in around 5-10 years
23:44 <GodTodd> :)
23:44 <vinavil> luke: any job to offer?
23:44 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: underpaid perhaps
23:45 <vinavil> ah! will i earn enough to stay alive?
23:46 <vinavil> he is calculating, lol
23:46 <luke-jr_work> dunno
23:46 <luke-jr_work> how soon do you need an answer?
23:46 <vinavil> how you can
23:47 <luke-jr_work> ???
23:47 * ghableska is hungry
23:48 <vinavil> i mean, i do not have haste at the moment, but to find a work sooner as possible would be great
23:49 <vinavil> one, two months?
23:49 <luke-jr_work> well I'm about to change jobs and move
23:50 <luke-jr_work> so it really depends on the outcome of that
23:50 <vinavil> let me know after you moved
23:51 <vinavil> does anybody else have a job to offer?
Log from 2007-05-23:
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00:04 <luke-jr_work> do you know how to code?
00:07 * GodTodd knows how to code somewhat ;)
00:10 * Vanhayes knows how to spell code
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00:46 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7252 /tools/acme/trunk/ (. .svnignore): Added svnignore file
00:47 <luke-jr_work> ooh, acme is in dev again?
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01:20 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
01:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Clear. Low zero with frost.; Wednesday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 12. UV index 7 or high. Wednesday night..clearing in the evening. Low plus 5.; Thursday - Sunny. High 14.;
01:21 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:21 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 79.3°F (6:20 PM CDT on May 22, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.84 in 976.5 hPa (Falling).
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01:26 <Vanhayes> #g 1 + 1
01:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
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02:05 <vinavil> #night
02:05 <armabot> Good night vinavil!
02:05 <vinavil> thank you armabot
02:05 <vinavil> you too
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02:06 <ghableska> #tea
02:06 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): $Åt;vÂ, (=HMT=)UnKnøwn, Black Soul, dindle-kun, Halban, I am Jack's, Not me, Nova~, Pez, ~ X ~, ~*SP*~PsYkO, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦×¥HoAX, ¬_¬'
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03:42 <ghableska> http://www.abeautifulwww.com/2007/05/20/visualizing-the-power-struggle-in-wikipedia/ <-- O_O
03:55 <ghableska> #tea
03:55 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
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04:09 * spidey yawns
04:12 <ghableska> :O
04:12 * ghableska slaps spidey
04:12 <spidey> :o
04:12 <spidey> it's amazing
04:13 <spidey> spidey has a life :o
04:13 <ghableska> what is?
04:13 <ghableska> :o
04:13 <ghableska> doing what?
04:13 <spidey> staying at my aunt/dads most of the time
04:13 <spidey> <--- actually has reallife friends :o
04:14 <ghableska> :O
04:14 <ghableska> !
04:14 <spidey> !
04:14 <spidey> going there again friday for 2 weeks
04:14 <luke-jr_> :O
04:14 <spidey> i only come back to take my tests, if it wasn't for that i'd move in there
04:14 <luke-jr_> ...
04:14 <luke-jr_> so you're leaving us?
04:15 <spidey> where i test, and my aunt/dads is about 60 miles away
04:15 <spidey> maybe
04:15 <luke-jr_> but.....
04:15 <spidey> after i graduate, if my uncle hasn't moved out, i'm moving in with them
04:15 <luke-jr_> bring a PC?
04:15 <spidey> they don't have a landline
04:15 <spidey> so if i do, i can't use the net till i get a job
04:16 <ghableska> :O!
04:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: no cable?
04:16 <spidey> satalite
04:16 <spidey> no cable
04:17 <spidey> though, i will miss cs:s :/
04:18 <luke-jr_> but not us...
04:18 <spidey> hmm
04:18 <spidey> maybe
04:18 <luke-jr_> mail me IP packets and I'll relay them for you
04:19 <spidey> ?
04:19 <luke-jr_> IP over snail mail
04:19 <luke-jr_> or you could tame a pidgeon and remain standards-compliant
04:19 <spidey> ..
04:20 <spidey> if anything i could setup a cantanna and use wifi off my grandma
04:20 <luke-jr_> joke?
04:20 <spidey> she lives like 1 1/2 miles from my aunt
04:20 <luke-jr_> o
04:20 <luke-jr_> I thought you were at g'ma now?
04:21 <spidey> you know people have 2 grandma's right?
04:21 <luke-jr_> RFC 1149 gets internet anywhere :)
04:21 <luke-jr_> you aren't giving any means of differentiating
04:21 <spidey> lol
04:21 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: ping
04:22 <spidey> Lucifer_arma: i need to know by tomorrow if you're still doing AFL, i'll be leaving till after the deadlines, so i need to know if i need to tell lizz how to start/restart it or not
04:24 <spidey> luke-jr_: when's the next year's payment start?
04:25 <spidey> and when's the .net domain expire
04:30 <luke-jr_> ?
04:30 <spidey> ?
04:31 <luke-jr_> domain expires 2007-09-15
04:31 <luke-jr_> dreamhost is paid up to 2007-03-12
04:31 <luke-jr_> so like 3 months overdue unless you were cancelling it and I forgot or something
04:32 <spidey> dreamhost is?
04:32 <luke-jr_> yeah
04:32 <spidey> hm
04:32 <spidey> i thought i paid up till?
04:32 * luke-jr_ doublechecks
04:33 <spidey> or maybe $30 short or something
04:33 <ghableska> #night
04:33 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:35 <luke-jr_> spidey: what would you be under in paypal?
04:35 <spidey> name or email?
04:35 <luke-jr_> yeah
04:35 <spidey> which?
04:35 <luke-jr_> either
04:35 <spidey> carol phillips or acid.killerz@yahoo.com
04:38 <spidey> mar. 7th i gave $35
04:39 <spidey> so that's march, and april
04:39 <spidey> and part of may $5
04:39 <spidey> so i owe like $10
04:39 <spidey> or something
04:41 <luke-jr_> #armalukechat
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05:05 <JJBean> hrm it seems to be all in german and stuff
05:06 <JJBean> Anybody home?
05:06 <JJBean> knock knock
05:06 <JJBean> whos there
05:06 <JJBean> no one
05:06 <JJBean> no one who
05:07 <JJBean> seriously no one
05:07 <JJBean> goodbye
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05:12 <GodTodd> ich spreche ein bischien (sp?) Deutsch...
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: yes
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> #m spidey yes
05:12 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
05:13 <GodTodd> #m spidey Lucifer_arma says that yes, indeed, he is still doing afl :)
05:13 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
05:13 <GodTodd> :)
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05:44 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7253 /tools/acme/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Added tabbed widget so multiple resources can be loaded at once.
05:50 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7254 /tools/acme/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added close button to tab widget
06:12 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7255 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Added generic resource editor widget
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06:17 <DrJoeTron> anyone feel like trouble shooting?
06:19 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
06:21 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr_ ping
06:26 <DrJoeTron> z-man-work ping
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> what?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: what do you want?
06:31 <DrJoeTron> think you can help me for a second?
06:31 <DrJoeTron> i've got this error showing up
06:31 <DrJoeTron> one second i'll upload the screenshot
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> that was more than one second ago
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's been longer than one second
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> it's been like half a minute
06:32 <DrJoeTron> converting
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> oh, so it's a christian screenshot?
06:32 <DrJoeTron> Timer hiccup
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, run your server on a non-windows machine where you have a timer that's worth a fuck?
06:33 <DrJoeTron> he's the only one with the problem
06:33 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/BASFQWER.gif
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> this isn't you?
06:34 <DrJoeTron> nope
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> what do you know about the guy? Is his machine overclocked?
06:34 <DrJoeTron> its not overclocked
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's a certain irony in the fact that people overclock to get better game performance, but games are adversely affected because it screws up the timer
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> what's his os?
06:35 <DrJoeTron> XP Home
06:35 <DrJoeTron> SP2
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> cpu?
06:35 <DrJoeTron> AMD Athlon dual core 4400+
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> dual-core and xeon (with their fake cores) can cause big timer hiccups
06:35 <DrJoeTron> 2 GB RAM
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> aha, dual core
06:36 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> he needs to see if there's some way he can force arma to run on only one core
06:36 <DrJoeTron> so its the patch he needs
06:36 <DrJoeTron> hmm
06:37 <DrJoeTron> alright thanks a bunch
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> np
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> there might be more to this answer, but you'll need z-man to answer that
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> or some other player who's dealt with this, it has come up before :)
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06:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
06:47 <DrJoeTron> probably
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07:21 <MrBougo> hello :)
07:21 <MrBougo> oh jeeze
07:21 <MrBougo> Mike Foyle - Firefly.. OMG!
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08:04 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7256 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Lots of work to support adding new resource editors easily.
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09:01 <VNV|Nano> Anyone know if Invader or Joe Tron are available?
09:01 <VNV|Nano> Having an issue in Shrunk with someone u.u
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09:14 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/playerstats2.htm
09:15 <wrtlprnft> someone should tell this server guy about the existence of dedicated servers
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> server: there's dedicated servers available for you
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I guess server (hi there!) isn't here
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13:09 <P4> #lastseen AL's
13:09 <armabot> P4: AL's Used Cars seems to be on -=EoS Clan Server | Map Rotation right now.
13:09 <P4> #serverinfo EoS Clan Server
13:09 <armabot> P4: -=EoS Clan Server | Map Rotation: Players (3/3): -=EoS|Xian, AL's Used Cars, Lu¡G¡
13:10 <P4> #tea
13:10 <P4> cmon :D
13:10 <armabot> P4: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): $Åt;vÂ, Hellion, ~SpliNg
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13:28 <epsy> hi
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13:47 <epsy> #gcalc 89 F in C
13:47 <armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:47 <epsy> #gcalc 89 °F in °C
13:47 <armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:47 <epsy> #gcalc 89 F to C
13:47 <armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:52 <P4> #g doesn't work
13:52 <armabot> P4: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:52 <epsy> #g 1 + 2
13:52 <armabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:52 <epsy> O_o
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14:37 <z-man-work> I smell mspaint coming up: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176181#176181
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14:43 * epsy doesn't have mspaint
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15:03 <GodTodd> mspaint sucks
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15:15 <luke-jr_> epsy: KolourPaint!
15:16 <luke-jr_> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176201#176201
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15:21 <kidanger> hi
15:23 <kidanger> Who can read this and say if it's correct ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22148/
15:24 <kidanger> p4
15:25 <P4> i cannot, i'm not native english
15:25 <kidanger> ok !
15:26 <kidanger> luke-jr_ ?
15:29 <luke-jr_> nope
15:29 <luke-jr_> not correct
15:29 <kidanger> ?
15:29 <kidanger> It's wrong ?
15:29 <luke-jr_> the grammer is
15:29 <kidanger> where ?
15:29 <luke-jr_> all over
15:29 <luke-jr_> Last Saturday in Sunderland, a rich businesswoman was found dead with a lot of blood!
15:30 <kidanger> hmm
15:30 <kidanger> and ?
15:30 <luke-jr_> Mrs. Blackmore was murdered at 8:40 PM. The police say she was hit on the head, probably with a candlestick, while she was upstairs in her bedroom.
15:31 <luke-jr_> There are three suspects: The first is John McBert. He is Mrs. Blackmore's boyfriend and has a gun. John's gun was found near the gate.
15:32 <luke-jr_> Note, "Mrs." is only for married women
15:32 <kidanger> hoo
15:32 <luke-jr_> also, an exact time for murder is unlikely without witnesses-- should probably be "murdered around 8:40"
15:32 <GodTodd> and being married doesn't preclude having a boyfriend :P
15:32 <luke-jr_> morally it does
15:32 <GodTodd> realistically it doesn't
15:33 <kidanger> ok
15:33 <luke-jr_> The second suspect is Mr. O'Hara, Mrs. Blackmore's associate. The third suspect is Mrs. O'Hara, his wife. She uses a dagger for hunting. This dagger was found in the hall.
15:33 <z-man-work> arguing about morale in a murder mystery?
15:33 <GodTodd> z-man-work: not me...luke was tho heh
15:34 <kidanger> It's an article of newspaper
15:34 <luke-jr_> When the victim was killed, John was leaving the manor to have a beer in the village pub. Mr. O'Hara was having a walk in the garden while his wife chatted on the phone in the hall.
15:34 <kidanger> I have writ
15:34 <luke-jr_> The Chief Inspectors think Mrs. Blackmore was killed by Mr. O'Hara because he was jealous of her new boyfriend, John McBert.
15:34 <kidanger> ten*
15:35 <epsy> where's rain ?
15:35 <epsy> kidanger, *o
15:35 <epsy> kidanger, arf, messing up with my headache xD
15:35 <kidanger> lol
15:35 <luke-jr_> kidanger: "writ" is valid there :)
15:35 <kidanger> I have written ?
15:36 <luke-jr_> "I have writ."
15:36 <epsy> #lastseen rain
15:36 <armabot> epsy: trainee has last been seen on -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber< 0 days 5 hours 59 minutes ago.
15:37 <epsy> dang
15:37 <luke-jr_> kidanger: both "writ" or "written" is good there
15:37 <kidanger> hoo ok
15:37 <luke-jr_> I prefer "writ" cuz people never use it
15:37 <kidanger> lol
15:37 <GodTodd> it's valid if you still live in the middle ages :P
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15:39 <kidanger> Thanks !
15:39 <GodTodd> and, before luke-jr_ tries the morality card again, no they did *not* have a better moral code in the middle ages
15:39 <GodTodd> heh
15:39 <MrBougo> hello
15:40 <epsy> hay MrBougo
15:41 <MrBougo> :)
15:41 <epsy> i have something for you to test...
15:41 <MrBougo> whut?
15:41 <epsy> tmoo
15:41 <MrBougo> huh?
15:41 <epsy> well, where all my « tests » happens
15:41 <kidanger> #serverinfo !delire !nodelire
15:41 <armabot> kidanger: !delire !nodelire: No online players.
15:42 <kidanger> ^^
15:42 <MrBougo> jeeze, i can't stop listening to this
15:42 <MrBougo> ok epsy i'm coming
15:42 <epsy> ok ty very munch
15:43 <MrBougo> munch?
15:43 <MrBougo> Edvard Munch?
15:44 * GodTodd notes that no one should ask luke-jr_ for grammar help after reading his site.
15:45 * epsy didn't read his site
15:47 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: the moral code never changes
15:47 <luke-jr_> regardless of how much people adhere to it
15:47 <GodTodd> sure it does...different people have a different moral code
15:48 * luke-jr_ notes he doesn't really have a site
15:48 <GodTodd> really...lightfoot isn't yours?
15:48 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: no, different people have skewed misunderstandings of the one moral code
15:48 <luke-jr_> "his site" implies a personal site
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15:52 <GodTodd> "his site" implies belonging to "him"
15:52 <GodTodd> foo
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15:52 <DrJoeTron> derp derp
15:52 <GodTodd> and, no, i have a different moral code that isn't based on blindly following the bible
16:00 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: how about this, "no one should trust luke-jr_'s writing skills after reading the wording on the site he made for his 'business'."
16:00 <GodTodd> that better?
16:05 <epsy> [16:03:56] Debug info: In access set: user: 100, level: mrbougo
16:05 <epsy> now i see -.-
16:05 <MrBougo> roflroflroflmao
16:05 <MrBougo> epsy rocks
16:05 <epsy> ^^
16:06 <epsy> actually i should use that syntax : !access set <level> <login>
16:06 <epsy> it was intended to be so, but i forgot about it
16:07 <epsy> and as i'm not accepting usernames with spaces...
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16:22 <epsy> i made a strange dream last night
16:22 <epsy> someone was flooding this channel with one of ph's posts xD
16:25 <wrtlprnft> scary
16:29 <MrBougo> aaaaaaah ok
16:29 <MrBougo> that's why i'm "bougo" and not "mr. bougo"
16:30 <MrBougo> what's ph?
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16:30 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6521
16:30 <epsy> MrBougo, ??
16:30 <MrBougo> nevermind
16:31 <MrBougo> epsy":"
16:31 <MrBougo> ah whoops
16:31 <epsy> in the answers( « Mr. Bougo: *BANG* »), your name was « Mr. Bougo »
16:31 <MrBougo> completion_suffix set to: ":"
16:31 <MrBougo> i know
16:31 <MrBougo> but if i /roulette i get Bougo:
16:32 <epsy> you get a prefix ?
16:32 <MrBougo> epsyb dunno
16:32 <MrBougo> i get "Bougo" then the text
16:32 <epsy> normally with private commands you dont get the prefix
16:32 <MrBougo> yep a prefix
16:32 <epsy> hmm
16:32 <epsy> only with /roulette or ... ?
16:36 <MrBougo> anything
16:36 <MrBougo> anything private
16:36 <MrBougo> with the "/"
16:36 <epsy> [0] Bougo *BANG*
16:36 <epsy> i see
16:36 <epsy> doesn't happen with me
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16:39 <epsy> i see where the problem resides
16:40 <epsy> player_message gets Mr. as nick, and Bougo and the rest of the message as the message itself
16:40 <epsy> so, i'ill switch it to client num
16:41 <epsy> [0] No matches were found that contained 1.
16:41 <epsy> f***
16:42 <MrBougo> oh ok lol
16:42 <MrBougo> blah, i was banned
16:42 <MrBougo> err kicked
16:42 <MrBougo> from funzone
16:42 <MrBougo> coz i was jetpacking on atcs
16:42 <MrBougo> with aliens S3
16:42 <epsy> heh :P
16:42 <MrBougo> they could've killed me...
16:42 <MrBougo> or told me
16:43 <MrBougo> they simply kicked me... wtf!
16:43 <MrBougo> if only they asked me to stop, i would have done it
16:43 <MrBougo> lamerz
16:44 <epsy> MrBougo, do you have also problems on ctwf ?
16:45 <MrBougo> oh it was a noobvoter
16:45 <MrBougo> i dunno eps
16:45 <epsy> eg, when it announces you your ladder pos
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17:35 <epsy> does ReadPlayer() actually returns the user or ... ?
17:55 <epsy> how i do call a global-scope function from a class-scope function ??
17:58 <epsy> well, it's even not in a class
18:09 <DrJoeTron> ALIEUMS
18:10 <epsy> engine/ePlayer.cpp: In function `void PlayerConsoleOut_conf(std::istream&)':
18:10 <epsy> engine/ePlayer.cpp:4852: error: « se_ReadPlayer » wasn't declared in this scope.
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18:27 <epsy> #m MrBougo fixed.
18:27 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
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19:09 <epsy> #lastseen voodoo
19:09 <armabot> epsy: CT~Voodoo has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 5 days 3 hours 11 minutes ago.
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19:34 <MrBougo> hello :)
19:34 <MrBougo> hllo
19:34 <MrBougo> oh i've already said that
19:34 <MrBougo> epsy: fixed what?
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19:44 <epsy> the Bougo prefixes
19:45 <epsy> MrBougo,
19:45 <MrBougo> oh ok :)
19:46 <epsy> #m guru3 double-post there: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176301#176301
19:46 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
19:48 <P4> #sty
19:48 <armabot> P4: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (7/8): 5teh5egler, Gonzap, mañn, ssago, ULTRA, ~{GP}~Alien, ~{GP}~sherif
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19:49 <epsy> i think it's full
19:49 <epsy> ...
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20:54 <ToddKitchen> grrr
20:55 <ToddKitchen> Lucifer_arma: ping
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21:19 <ToddKitchen> grrr
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22:03 <ToddKitchen:#armagetron> anyone have any ideas as to why my wireless that was working fine now cannot even see the router? from my ubuntu box anyway
22:04 <ToddKitchen:#armagetron> i guess it's useful information as well to know that i just had FIOS installed
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22:06 <wrtlprnft> checked the antenna, power, and all that?
22:06 <wrtlprnft> what does iwlist scanning do?
22:07 <ToddKitchen> sec
22:08 <ToddKitchen> it sees it
22:08 <ToddKitchen> i just can't connect to it
22:08 <ToddKitchen> my windows boxes connect fine
22:08 <wrtlprnft> no router change, nothing?
22:09 <ToddKitchen> yeah they gave me a stupid modem/router
22:09 <wrtlprnft> can't use your own?
22:09 <ToddKitchen> i have my own piggybacked
22:09 <ToddKitchen> and it sees it as well but won't connect
22:10 <wrtlprnft> dunno really. My wlan finally works quite well after some messing around
22:10 <ToddKitchen> i've tried with WEP and open
22:10 <wrtlprnft> if you use WEP you can as well use open.
22:10 <ToddKitchen> i know
22:11 <ToddKitchen> neither worked tho heh
22:11 <wrtlprnft> sort of funny. why should anything change if you exchange the modem?
22:12 <ToddKitchen> that's what i thought too
22:12 <ToddKitchen> nothing changed on the ubuntu box
22:12 <ToddKitchen> and it *does* see the new modem and all
22:12 <wrtlprnft> try putting a faraday cage around the useless router of your provider?
22:12 <wrtlprnft> if it does wlan
22:12 <ToddKitchen> it's all in one unit
22:12 <wrtlprnft> tin foil should do
22:18 <CT|P4> guys... what server variable is to set max waiting time for chatters?
22:18 <CT|P4> #cfg talk
22:18 <armabot> CT|P4: TALK_TO_MASTER: Announce this server on the internet? (default: 1)
22:19 <CT|P4> #cfg chat
22:19 <armabot> CT|P4: ALLOW_CONTROL_DURING_CHAT: If set to 1, this allows a player to issue cycle and camera control commands during chat (losing the chatbot and the yellow chat pyramid). (default: 0) || CHATTER_REMOVE_TIME: Time in seconds after which a permanent chatter is removed from the game (default: 180) || ENEMY_CHATBOT_PENALTY: Penalty in seconds if the victim is in chatbot state and the enemy influence (34 more messages)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> #cfg wait
22:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_FRACTION: Maximum fraction of time to wait for a single player to stop chatting. (default: 0) || PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_MAX: Maximum time in seconds to wait for a single player to stop chatting. (default: 0) || PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_SINGLE: Set to 1 if only one player should get his chat wait time reduced at any given time. (default: 0) || PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_TEAMLEADER: Set to 1 if (1 more message)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: only team leaders, and 0 if all players, should be allowed to pause the timer. (default: 1)
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22:39 <Lucifer_arma> ToddKitchen: don't know either, I spent an hour yesterday at school trying to get a simple dhcp setup going on a wired connection that my mandriva box just worked on
22:46 <ToddKitchen> it's driving me nutso
22:46 <ToddKitchen> heh
22:47 <ToddKitchen> in iwconfig, however, it says for essid "off/any"
22:47 <ToddKitchen> would that do it?
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23:00 <P4> hyhy
23:00 <P4> got new vhost ^^
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23:02 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:02 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 76.8°F (3:59 PM CDT on May 23, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 292 in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
23:03 <wrtlprnft> P4: get something useful instead…
23:03 <P4> …
23:04 * wrtlprnft feels like luke-jr_work
23:04 <P4> btw. how did you fing this … so quick
23:04 <P4> find*
23:04 <wrtlprnft> right alt + ä here :)
23:04 <P4> and ä is... altgr+a is ¹
23:04 <P4> ä
23:05 <wrtlprnft> german keyboard
23:05 <wrtlprnft> it's a normal key
23:05 <P4> `i dot understand in anyway
23:05 <wrtlprnft> it isn't there by default, anyways
23:05 <P4> ok but is it classic 102 jeyboard with other map yes?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> custom xmodmap to get all these fancy chars—it rocks
23:05 <wrtlprnft> german keybords have one more key
23:05 <P4> this one? ^^
23:05 <P4> ä
23:06 <wrtlprnft> well, there's three keys for öäü and ÖÄÜ
23:06 <wrtlprnft> and some of the symbols are squished away to other keys
23:06 -!- guru3_ is now known as guru3
23:06 <P4> i see
23:06 <wrtlprnft> I think the key that does <>|¦ on german keyboars doesn't exist on US keyboards
23:06 <P4> do you know the roots of this change?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> err, German uses these chars quite frequently?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> plus ß, but that's right of the 0 key
23:07 <P4> like poles frequently uses ¹êó³ñœæ
23:07 <P4> i know codeing is wrong :|
23:08 <P4> i also thought ß was changed to ss
23:08 <wrtlprnft> nope
23:08 <wrtlprnft> some stupid people think so
23:08 <wrtlprnft> german people, that is
23:09 <P4> oh
23:09 <P4> i was learning german in primary school
23:09 <wrtlprnft> some places where you used to use ß were changed to use ss, to be more logical
23:09 <P4> my teacher says we should write sharfes s :P
23:09 <P4> this beta one :}
23:09 <P4> ß, ah
23:09 <P4> :}
23:09 <wrtlprnft> but you DO NOT spell „Fußball” with double s!
23:09 <wrtlprnft> no matter how many boulevard newspapers do it
23:09 <P4> but it's not dvorak keyboar set, right?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> no.
23:10 <P4> who uses dvorak then, i've just heard about it
23:10 <wrtlprnft> the normal letters are in the same place, except y and z are swapped
23:10 <wrtlprnft> it's supposed to be faster for 10-finger typing if you get used to
23:10 <wrtlprnft> it
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23:10 <wrtlprnft> it also exists for englisch, though
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23:10 <P4> oh... it's an alternative
23:10 <wrtlprnft> dunno, I don't 10 finger type, never seriously tried it
23:10 <wrtlprnft> just had some fun with it once
23:11 <P4> hehe, i haven't know it exist ;P
23:11 <P4> oh you got that qwertz keys :}
23:11 <wrtlprnft> yep
23:11 <P4> or it's azerty
23:12 <P4> omg so much keyboard sets
23:12 <wrtlprnft> that would be french
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23:12 <P4> oh
23:12 <P4> epsy got that? :}
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23:12 <P4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blickensderfer_typewriter <=- and this :P
23:12 <wrtlprnft> you can always see it's a french keyboard because the you have to press shoft to get the numbers
23:12 <wrtlprnft> probably
23:12 <P4> oh
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23:15 <wrtlprnft> the french have accents above all vovels, so they need more keys
23:15 * Lucifer_arma looks for his shoft key
23:16 <wrtlprnft> and because they're used so frequently you can't use accents like on a german keyboard: éèàùìòîôêûâ
23:16 <wrtlprnft> good luck
23:16 <wrtlprnft> or maybe, GOOD LUCK
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23:38 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:38 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): apparition, CT|Square, Dez, G5, Legionnaire|mbc, loner, Monkey, Sithy2, Turtle power, ~ X ~, ~|DS|~ judders, ¦Ö¦$µbzero, ¦Ö¦Elex, ¦Ö¦Qico
23:39 <P4> #tyskie
23:39 <armabot> P4: TYSKIE:WARZONE: No online players.
23:39 <P4> ^^
23:58 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=16361
Log from 2007-05-24:
--- Day changed Thu May 24 2007
00:01 <P4> how can i see system stats (any top alternative?)
00:02 <wrtlprnft> system stats?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> of what?
00:02 <P4> of CPU usage, ram, pagefile... nvm, i've found top :P
00:02 <wrtlprnft> try htop
00:03 <P4> just forgot it got status like at the top of screen
00:03 <P4> htop?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:03 <P4> ed got it?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> probably not
00:03 <P4> i can see 20GB page file 0)
00:03 <P4> oO
00:03 <wrtlprnft> nice and colorful
00:03 <P4> -bash: htop: command not found
00:05 <P4> #tyskie
00:05 <armabot> P4: TYSKIE:WARZONE: No online players.
00:05 <P4> got new settings :>
00:05 <wrtlprnft> i could install it, but you don't really need it on this server
00:05 <P4> perfect for spawn camping ;>
00:05 <P4> sure ;) don't do it
00:05 <P4> i thought you can tell me some simple command line tool :)
00:05 <P4> top works fullscreen
00:06 <wrtlprnft> there's free -m, of course
00:06 <wrtlprnft> or uptime
00:06 <wrtlprnft> #serverdetails -v tyskie
00:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: TYSKIE:WARZONE (87.106.101.25:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20070403 unix dedic, url: /xffe3e0http://p4.doesntexist.org/ , Description: “ Shooting with zombies! “, Players (1/8): {KP}Tall Kid
00:07 <P4> ^^
00:07 <P4> updated config, wanna try ;>
00:07 <P4> i wish this mod become popular :P
00:09 <ghableska> #tea
00:09 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): ach, Anun, apparition, G5, h4ck1ng, meteor[*=--], Psyc@, |x| Sticky, ~*SP*~PsYkO
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00:28 <Lucifer_bed> yay, now I have two logins going like everyone else
00:31 <DrJoeTron> haha
00:31 <DrJoeTron> do i even bother to post in it?
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> post and tell him he's a fucking smeghead
00:34 <Lucifer_bed> Lucifer_arma: you're a fucking smeghead
00:35 <_Sticky_> watch red dwarf?
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> yes
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> seen every one :0
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> er, :0
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> eek
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> )
00:35 <DrJoeTron> do i draw a picture? :)
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> damn keyboard.
00:35 <Lucifer_bed> I just got the computer in my bedroom setup so I can actually use it, but the keyboard takes some getting used to
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> the whole setup takes some getting used to
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> DrJoeTron: yeah, draw a smeghead :)
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> oh yeah, I needed to commit acme so I could work on it back here
00:36 <Lucifer_bed> I was trying to get away from the noise in the living room
00:37 <Lucifer_bed> does this keyboard work?
00:38 <Lucifer_bed> so the quiet keys keyboard is really loud, but the loud keys keyboard is really quiet
00:38 <Lucifer_bed> ok, I'm satisfied this keyboard works, and it not working the other night was just an anomaly
00:39 <Lucifer_bed> wrtlprnft: so is a TNT2 actually better than this i810?
00:40 * Lucifer_bed is wondering because he has a worse video card than the tnt2 that he can put in the server and bring the tnt2 over here
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00:41 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Low plus 5.; Thursday - A mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming southwest 20 km/h in the morning. High 16 except 12 along the coast. UV index 8 or very high. Thursday night..cloudy with 30 (1 more message)
00:41 <Vanhayes> #more
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: percent chance of showers. Wind southwest 20 km/h becoming light in the evening. Low 7.; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 19.;
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7257 /tools/acme/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Random commit, going to the bedroom. Acme probably doesn't work at this moment because of this, sorry.
00:44 <spidey> lol
00:44 <spidey> #armaconfig resource
00:44 <armabot> spidey: RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT: URI the client uses to search for map files if they aren't stored locally. Better leave it alone (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/) || RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER: URI clients and the server use to search for map files if they aren't stored locally (default: http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/)
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00:45 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed
00:45 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176591#176591
00:46 <spidey> #armaconfig dtd
00:46 <armabot> spidey: Sorry, no matches :S
00:47 <spidey> Lucifer_bed: wrtlprnft luke-jr_ or z-man-work ?
00:47 <Lucifer_bed> ?
00:47 <spidey> remember the soccer server anjori was asking you about?
00:47 <Lucifer_bed> ummmm, no?
00:48 <spidey> O.o
00:48 <spidey> oh well
00:48 <Lucifer_bed> but styball is part of pig's patch, you should already have it running iirc
00:48 <spidey> i'm having a problem where the server's trying to download the .dtd from armagetronad.net
00:48 <spidey> but it downloads the map from the dedicated
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] [0] Downloading http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_pig.dtd ...
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] ERROR: error : Operation in progress
00:49 <spidey> [May 23 18:43:52] [0] ERROR: Return value 404 : File not found.
00:49 <Lucifer_bed> ahhh, this is the server anjori was asking me for help with? He didn't specify it was a soccer server...
00:50 <spidey> it downloads the map fine, but when it tries the .dtd it doesn't try to download it from our server, it tries from aa
00:50 <Lucifer_bed> I don't know the answer to this one, sorry. I don't know how to get it to download the right dtd
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00:50 <spidey> :(
00:54 <Vanhayes> soccer as in styball? or something new?
01:00 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176591#176591 there we go :)
01:01 <luke-jr_work> spidey: ?
01:01 <spidey> styball
01:01 <spidey> and i got it working
01:02 * _Sticky_ spanks DrJoeTron for being a mean sandbox admin
01:02 <DrJoeTron> I AM A SANDBOXLORD
01:02 <DrJoeTron> KING OF SAND BARX
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01:10 <spidey> #armaconfig lead
01:10 <armabot> spidey: ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_LEADER: Set to 1 to allow team leader to set a team, 0 otherwise. (default: 0) || PLAYER_CHAT_WAIT_TEAMLEADER: Set to 1 if only team leaders, and 0 if all players, should be allowed to pause the timer. (default: 1)
01:17 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed ping
01:17 <DrJoeTron> picture almost done
01:17 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/sb.gif
01:18 <_Sticky_> nice
01:18 <spidey> #armaconfig zone
01:18 <armabot> spidey: SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 1000000) || SP_WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated in single player mode (default: 100000) || WIN_ZONE_EXPANSION: Expansion speed of the instant win zone (2 more messages)
01:18 <spidey> #more
01:18 <armabot> spidey: (default: 1) || WIN_ZONE_INITIAL_SIZE: Initial size of the instant win zone (default: 5) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH: Minimum number of seconds since the last death before the instant win zone is activated (default: 30) || WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME: Minimum number of seconds the round has to be going on before the instant win zone is activated (default: 60) || WIN_ZONE_RANDOMNESS: Randomness (1 more message)
01:18 <spidey> #more
01:18 <armabot> spidey: factor of the initial win zone position. 0 fixes it at the arena center, 1 spreads the zone all over it. (default: 0.8)
01:18 <spidey> anyone know how to disable fortress style zones? :/
01:18 <spidey> styball with capturable zones :O
01:19 <P4> spidey: lol
01:19 <Vanhayes> i think its on the map not a setting
01:19 <P4> yes... i think same
01:19 <P4> but not sure
01:19 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig zones
01:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig conquer
01:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> #armaconfig conqouer
01:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
01:20 <Vanhayes> damnit how is it spelled?
01:20 <spidey> #check conquor
01:20 <armabot> spidey: conquer
01:20 <spidey> there ya go :p
01:20 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176641#176641
01:21 <Vanhayes> hmm, that was my first spelling
01:21 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_bed
01:21 <DrJoeTron> can you quote images
01:21 <DrJoeTron> WHO HERE IS A KING OF THE SANDBOX
01:22 <DrJoeTron> IF SO
01:22 <DrJoeTron> QUOTE THE PICTURE
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01:24 <DrJoeTron> or don't
01:26 <spidey> ok lets see
01:26 <spidey> Vanhayes: i looked at the maps
01:26 <spidey> ctf and soccer are the same zone settings
01:26 <spidey> so it can't be that
01:28 <spidey> FORTRESS_CONQUEST_RATE .3
01:28 <spidey> FORTRESS_DEFEND_RATE .2
01:28 <spidey> FORTRESS_CONQUEST_DECAY_RATE .1
01:28 <spidey> i think
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02:00 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:00 <armabot> pong
02:00 <DrJoeTron> Kicking people just because you dont like the color of their bikes is not administration, it's fascism.
02:00 <DrJoeTron> hey Your_mom_arma
02:00 <DrJoeTron> wanna hop on the band wagon?
02:00 <Your_mom_arma> hmm?
02:01 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176691&sid=0cf6c7bdc5111be3414fac9c6a52aac0
02:01 <DrJoeTron> mspaint drawing at the bottom to fallow
02:05 <DrJoeTron> :3
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> I think invader put it as well as anyone could
02:12 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> It may start politely but it just snowballs until the elitists come in cursing and using racial slurs. So it may be best to add in a round_config message making the whole topic something that's taboo to talk about in the server, asking players to either join another server if they want to play like that or to create a discussion elsewhere.
02:13 <Your_mom_arma> Either way, in what I've seen and heard(read) the guys who play open tend to be the _Bad Bushido_
02:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:14 <DrJoeTron> thank you
02:14 <DrJoeTron> thats why I'm simply kicking the people who say SORRY FRO CLOSIN
02:14 <DrJoeTron> because they don't know better
02:14 <DrJoeTron> but they also don't help the problem
02:14 <DrJoeTron> I'm glad you guys got my back :3
02:15 <DrJoeTron> seriously, when i have my birthday party
02:15 <DrJoeTron> you're all invited to lazer tag
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02:15 <DrJoeTron> cept for Van-hayes
02:15 <_Sticky_> yeah kicking for saying sorry is nazi
02:15 <DrJoeTron> my mom said he couldn't come
02:16 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ its either i kick for than, or ban when they complaing about people sealing on them
02:16 <DrJoeTron> which is known to happemn
02:16 <DrJoeTron> all of the fucking time
02:16 <DrJoeTron> i mean c'mon
02:16 <DrJoeTron> kicks are so fucking harmless
02:16 <DrJoeTron> its a kick
02:16 <_Sticky_> lol premtive kicking just incase they get it wrong later
02:16 <DrJoeTron> YUP
02:16 <DrJoeTron> holy shit
02:16 <DrJoeTron> you get it!
02:16 <DrJoeTron> :D
02:17 <DrJoeTron> give them an inch and they think they're a ruler
02:17 <DrJoeTron> plus
02:17 <DrJoeTron> we gotta have SOME order in there
02:17 <_Sticky_> depends do you agree with camping?
02:17 <DrJoeTron> and its making people not want to play with people tossing up stupid lame rules
02:18 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ depends
02:18 <DrJoeTron> but getting mad because someone killed you?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> thats retarded
02:18 <DrJoeTron> if you don't like getting killed online
02:18 <DrJoeTron> don't play internet games
02:18 <DrJoeTron> don't play games at all for that matter
02:18 <DrJoeTron> i don't get angry about people who camp
02:18 <_Sticky_> thing is your going the same way z-man mentiond...if its possible in the game its acceptable to do it
02:19 <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:19 <_Sticky_> which is fine
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i mean i have my own guffs
02:19 <DrJoeTron> about people readjusting and all of that shit
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i get killed by lag all of the time
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i don't make a fit about it
02:19 <DrJoeTron> because no one gives a shit
02:19 <_Sticky_> but dont then complain when people dont grind in fortress, or capture the flag in ctf or tk or camp...they are all possible
02:19 <DrJoeTron> do you care that i died because of the network delay?
02:20 <DrJoeTron> which i dont
02:20 <_Sticky_> i agree that the open closed debate is stupid
02:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't grind at ctf
02:21 <_Sticky_> i alwayse thought closing was the whole point
02:21 <DrJoeTron> thats rediculous
02:21 <DrJoeTron> but then?
02:21 <_Sticky_> havent changed my mind from there
02:21 <_Sticky_> still think that way
02:22 <DrJoeTron> unless the server says "hey jerks, grind"
02:22 <DrJoeTron> or "play open omfg"
02:22 <DrJoeTron> i'll do it
02:23 <DrJoeTron> because its specifically stating "hey guys, we're doing thing differently"
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02:23 <_Sticky_> yeah but i would equate it with non grinding in fortress to an extent...that is an unwrittent rule that will get you kicked
02:24 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:24 <DrJoeTron> its a defacto standard
02:24 <DrJoeTron> plus
02:24 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ you're missing one major thing here
02:24 <DrJoeTron> those are team games
02:24 <_Sticky_> ok its a bit different since in rubber there are no team mates to screw over
02:24 <DrJoeTron> i mean i understand what you're trying to say here
02:24 * _Sticky_ was typing that heh
02:25 <DrJoeTron> but it doesnt *completely* fit what the problem is
02:25 <DrJoeTron> kids are coming in
02:25 <DrJoeTron> saying they're the king of the sandbox
02:25 <DrJoeTron> and if anyone disagrees they get pissy
02:25 <DrJoeTron> then the park district workers come in
02:25 <DrJoeTron> like myself
02:26 <_Sticky_> im sort of saying unwritten rules will always appear naturaly
02:26 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:26 <DrJoeTron> and i am all for opposing them
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fuck de facto standards in games
02:26 <DrJoeTron> i have my own hates
02:27 <DrJoeTron> but i won't say you're a terrible person because you play a way i cant stand
02:27 <DrJoeTron> i used to
02:27 <DrJoeTron> but then realized, what good does it do if i tell them that
02:29 <_Sticky_> just kick on the words open or closed
02:29 <DrJoeTron> the sorry thing is still standing
02:29 <DrJoeTron> "sorry 4 closin"
02:30 <_Sticky_> naa thats just wrong...kicking for being polite even if they were in the right in closing inn the first lace
02:30 <_Sticky_> s/lace/place
02:30 <DrJoeTron> when you say it every other round?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> thats not "polite"
02:30 <DrJoeTron> thats called spam
02:31 <DrJoeTron> its like if a guy sat next to you in a movie theatre
02:31 <DrJoeTron> start burping the whole night
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and saying "sorry"
02:31 <DrJoeTron> each time
02:31 <DrJoeTron> and then get mad if you burp
02:32 <DrJoeTron> you gross kid you
02:32 <Lucifer_bed> I'm curious how this open/close thing came about in the first place
02:32 <DrJoeTron> yeah me too damn it
02:32 <DrJoeTron> from what i hear
02:32 <_Sticky_> ive alwayse thought one of the main reasons the tron comunity stays small is because we are rude to newbs who leave and never come back, very nearly happend to me. however if you kick a new guy just cos someone has misled them as to how the game is played they will again not come back
02:32 <Lucifer_bed> I'm curious because me and mom have been playing open towards each other for a looong time now, before most of these new kids showed up
02:32 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ you're seeing this from a different side
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02:33 <DrJoeTron> these are constant offenders
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> maybe the reason the community "stays small" is because we don't put up with the punk-ass bullshit other communities put up with?
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> (I put "stays small" in parenthesis because every measurement we've taken shows growth)
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "sorry, OMG FUK U CLOSER FAGGET"
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "hey buddy, can you stop that?"
02:33 <DrJoeTron> "Y HE CLOSE ON ME"
02:33 <Lucifer_bed> "I closed on you because I wanted the point"
02:34 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:34 <Lucifer_bed> I don't "play open". Let 'em run up a poll
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> I always just figured it was just a bastardization(wow, I spelled that wrond and spell check corrected me) of tunneling
02:34 <DrJoeTron> and then they play the honro system
02:34 <DrJoeTron> DOOD ITS ABOUT HONOR WITH OPEN CAUSE ITS SOO LOW RUBBER
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> it managed to miss wrond
02:34 <DrJoeTron> HONOR DOES NOT EXSIST IN VIDEO GAMES
02:34 <DrJoeTron> ITS A VIDEO GAME
02:34 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.2°F (7:35 PM CDT on May 23, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Falling). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 292 in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening...
02:35 <ghableska> -_-
02:35 <_Sticky_> well it may be growing but there are probably less than 500 regular gamers that is small in the grand scheme
02:35 <DrJoeTron> I'm cool with that personaly
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> I think it takes a lot more skill to get out of a closed maze than an open one :
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> )
02:35 <ghableska> heh
02:35 <Lucifer_bed> and I've seen it done, and done it....
02:35 <DrJoeTron> _Sticky_ all i can say to you is this
02:35 <DrJoeTron> if you don't agree with it
02:36 <DrJoeTron> thats perfectly fine
02:36 <DrJoeTron> you also don't have to play there :)
02:36 <DrJoeTron> theres many other servers for you to chose
02:36 <DrJoeTron> oose
02:36 <Lucifer_bed> I don't play there because joe keeps telling me about all the smegheads I don't want to play with that play there
02:36 <DrJoeTron> yup
02:36 <_Sticky_> i agree you should stop players bullying others into playing how they do...i just dont think you should punish the victims
02:36 <DrJoeTron> what victims?
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they all say they're victims
02:37 <_Sticky_> the ones who say sorry
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they aren't victims
02:37 <DrJoeTron> they do it with pride
02:37 <DrJoeTron> because i've SEEN them get mad for people closing on them
02:37 <DrJoeTron> and telling them doesnt do shit
02:37 <DrJoeTron> you haven't played in shrunkland for more than 4 minutes have you.
02:38 <_Sticky_> no
02:38 <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:38 <_Sticky_> i have never played there
02:38 * ghableska goes off to Shrunkland
02:38 <DrJoeTron> <DrJoeTron> exactly
02:39 <Your_mom_arma> im at the point where I just silence everyone in arma because I don't want to deal with the harrasment, I've had people start pm'ing me spam or just otherwise stupid stuff
02:39 <DrJoeTron> thats another thing
02:39 <DrJoeTron> why cant they just use the PM system
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02:41 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma even me? :(
02:41 <_Sticky_> actualy i say were small but we are abouth 45th game in terms of downloads on sourceforge
02:41 <_Sticky_> thats not bad
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i could care less about popularity with this game
02:42 <DrJoeTron> if its going to bring crazy 12 year olds on big brother hand me down computers
02:42 <DrJoeTron> i have counter strike for that crap
02:42 <DrJoeTron> which is what shrunkland has turned into
02:42 <_Sticky_> naa it is a problem...particularly for us fortress players who cant get a decent game for 2/3rds of the day
02:43 <DrJoeTron> go outside :V
02:43 <DrJoeTron> btw you were the one with the wiimote to pc correct?
02:43 <_Sticky_> ooooOOOO
02:43 <_Sticky_> yup
02:43 <DrJoeTron> ok good
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i was looking for you
02:43 <DrJoeTron> i started working on classic controller scripts last week
02:44 <_Sticky_> what driver??
02:44 <DrJoeTron> glove pie
02:44 <_Sticky_> ah yes very nice isnt it
02:44 <DrJoeTron> and got PPJoy working
02:44 <DrJoeTron> oh yes
02:44 <DrJoeTron> but its not fully functional yet
02:44 <DrJoeTron> you know anything about the analog setup?
02:44 <DrJoeTron> because i could really use the help on that
02:44 <_Sticky_> yeah but fir a free thing it aint bad
02:45 <DrJoeTron> i got the analog stick to be recognized in track mania nations
02:45 <_Sticky_> naa i only have the wiimote
02:45 <DrJoeTron> sensitive to movement and everything
02:45 <DrJoeTron> oh god
02:45 <DrJoeTron> you GOTTA get the classic controller
02:45 <DrJoeTron> plus i got mouse function working on it
02:45 <DrJoeTron> i stole a script and edited it
02:45 <_Sticky_> i dont even have a wii
02:45 <DrJoeTron> hahaha you're shitting me
02:45 <_Sticky_> no just bought the controler
02:46 <DrJoeTron> what for?
02:46 <Lucifer_bed> GodTodd: got your network working again?
02:46 <DrJoeTron> shits?
02:46 <Lucifer_bed> I think when the network doesn't work, it should be called a netbroke
02:46 <_Sticky_> so i can connect it to my pc and play with it
02:46 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:46 <DrJoeTron> get the classic controller with it too then
02:46 <DrJoeTron> its 20 dollars
02:46 <DrJoeTron> USD*
02:46 <_Sticky_> so £500 probably then
02:47 <DrJoeTron> heh
02:47 <_Sticky_> how much is a wiimote in america?
02:47 <DrJoeTron> 40 USD
02:47 <DrJoeTron> 20 USD for prepherals
02:47 <Your_mom_arma> #g 20 usd to £
02:47 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:47 <_Sticky_> yeah its like about equivalent to $60 here
02:47 <DrJoeTron> yeah
02:47 <DrJoeTron> its a 60 dollar controller
02:48 <DrJoeTron> i bought the battery packs for the wiimotes
02:48 <DrJoeTron> they're prety great
02:48 <_Sticky_> #g 20 usd to gbp
02:48 <armabot> _Sticky_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:48 <Your_mom_arma> 20 U.S. dollars = 10.138903 British pounds
02:49 <DrJoeTron> wow
02:49 <_Sticky_> yeah the wiimote is £32 so $64
02:49 <DrJoeTron> oh god
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> I blame the weak American dollar
02:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats right
02:49 <DrJoeTron> europe in general gets shafted on video games
02:49 <DrJoeTron> my friend saw half life 2 there for like 70 dollars
02:49 <DrJoeTron> USD
02:50 <_Sticky_> yeah i went on holiday to American recently...the exchange rate is fantastic
02:50 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> its like if we went to mexico
02:50 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:50 <DrJoeTron> alright
02:50 <DrJoeTron> i'll be back
02:50 <_Sticky_> 70 usd is about average for computer games here
02:56 <ghableska> :O
03:00 <_Sticky_> try house prices for a real shocker
03:02 <_Sticky_> my gf paid about $400k for a 1 bedroom flat in suburban london
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03:10 <Your_mom_arma> meh, I'm actually surprised it isn't more
03:10 <neostrider> hello folks
03:10 <Your_mom_arma> hi
03:10 <neostrider> what's up, mom?
03:11 <Your_mom_arma> not much
03:11 <neostrider> ok...
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03:18 <ghableska> hi, Van-hayes
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> wb
03:21 <GodTodd> Lucifer_bed: yeah...i fought the feisty and the feisty got its ass kicked ;)
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03:38 <ghableska> http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/sexdrive/2007/04/sexdrive_0406
03:38 <ghableska> o_O
03:53 <P4> can anyone test my new #powiedz alias and say "#powiedz P4 come to #armagetron", please? :}
03:56 <ghableska> #powiedz P4 come to #armagetron
03:56 <armabot> ghableska: => ghableska says: P4 come to <= sent to the server
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03:59 <P4> damn
03:59 <P4> thanks :}
03:59 <P4> # is masked :|
04:00 <DrJoeTron> back
04:00 <DrJoeTron> fuck the forrest preserve
04:00 <DrJoeTron> i got bugs up mah nose :/
04:01 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: sneeze!
04:01 <DrJoeTron> i cant
04:02 <ghableska> pepper up the nose?
04:02 <DrJoeTron> bugs up the nose
04:02 * ghableska has a cold
04:05 * GodTodd sticks a dick up DrJoeTron's nose.
04:05 <DrJoeTron> mmm'
04:05 <DrJoeTron> oh that feels nice
04:05 <DrJoeTron> oh god
04:05 <GodTodd> sneeze, fucker
04:06 <GodTodd> [21:06] [Whois] GodTodd is n=TheTruth@pool-71-170-89-192.dllstx.fios.verizon.net (The One Truth)
04:06 <GodTodd> :D
04:07 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: hl2:dm, worth it?
04:07 <GodTodd> no
04:07 <GodTodd> fuck that shit
04:07 <DrJoeTron> oh god you have to pay for it?
04:07 <DrJoeTron> oh right
04:07 <DrJoeTron> you didnt buy hl2
04:08 <DrJoeTron> NO
04:08 <GodTodd> fucking tools
04:09 <ghableska> what about...dod:s?
04:09 <GodTodd> goddammit, NO!
04:09 <ghableska> stfu GodTodd
04:10 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd is right
04:10 <DrJoeTron> not worth it
04:11 <ghableska> garry's mod 10 IS worth it though :p
04:11 <DrJoeTron> i didnt think so
04:12 <ghableska> it's more fun than cs
04:13 <DrJoeTron> everything is more fun than cs
04:13 <ghableska> meh
04:15 <DrJoeTron> you mustve been bored when you came into the server :p
04:15 <ghableska> ppp?
04:22 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7258 /tools/acme/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Wired up the save buttons and made the generic resource editor save files.
04:23 <Lucifer_bed> man, can this conversation get any less intelligible?
04:23 <GodTodd> i'm voting for more unintelligible
04:23 * Lucifer_bed wonders if he's done with acme for the night
04:24 <GodTodd> probably not
04:24 <Lucifer_bed> heh
04:24 <Lucifer_bed> still haven't written the syntax highlighting, but at least it'll save files now
04:24 * GodTodd is working on porting his wife's recipe program from vb to java
04:25 <P4> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=176881
04:26 <Lucifer_bed> P4: try it with a regular server and see if it does the same
04:26 <Lucifer_bed> not sure it's a bug, though
04:26 <P4> i'll try
04:28 <P4> hm.... looks like it's not happen with 0.2.8.2.1 dedicated... :|
04:33 <ghableska> #weather 50266
04:33 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.0°F (9:34 PM CDT on May 23, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.98 in 981.3 hPa (Falling).
04:35 <GodTodd> #math calc 19/47
04:35 <armabot> GodTodd: 0.404255319149
04:36 <ghableska> #g 5+12
04:36 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
04:38 <ghableska> #night
04:38 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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04:45 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma
04:45 <DrJoeTron> you saw geometry wars being ported for Wiii yeah?
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05:03 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: hehe, yeah ... you saw the duke nukem forever pic?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:03 <DrJoeTron> i dont believe it
05:03 <luke-jr_> ?
05:04 <DrJoeTron> that game is never coming out
05:04 <luke-jr_> what pic
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> http://jobs.gamasutra.com/Media/Accounts/95/gama_duke_2.gif
05:05 <luke-jr_> hm
05:05 <luke-jr_> since when is Duke a 3D game?
05:10 <DrJoeTron> Time to kill was 3D
05:10 <DrJoeTron> terrible
05:10 <DrJoeTron> but 3D
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> wow, has it really been 10 years
05:16 <DrJoeTron> yup
05:16 <DrJoeTron> hell
05:16 <DrJoeTron> i didnt realize how old Sam and Max Hit the road was
05:16 <DrJoeTron> that game was awesome
05:18 <P4> who is Supybot 0.83.1+darcs developed by? any of you guys here?
05:19 <P4> #help fetch
05:19 <armabot> P4: (fetch <url>) -- Returns the contents of <url>, or as much as is configured in supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum. If that configuration variable is set to 0, this command will be effectively disabled.
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> "Duke Nukem Forever was officially announced on April 27, 1997 along with the purchase of a license to use the Quake II engine and the intention of releasing the game no later than mid-1998."
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> note it is now 2007, and quake 4 is out
05:21 <P4> ^^
05:22 <DrJoeTron> god
05:22 <DrJoeTron> its like
05:22 <DrJoeTron> it beats TF2 by a year
05:22 <DrJoeTron> TF2 was announced in 1998
05:28 <P4> what is TF2?
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> team fortress 2
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> (half life mod)
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> or was it a quake mod
05:30 <Your_mom_arma> ask DrJoeTron
05:32 <DrJoeTron> TF2 = half life 2 mod
05:32 <DrJoeTron> TFC is amazing
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05:34 <P4> i plaid only q3a (instaunlagged mod) and sc, nothing else ;P
05:34 <P4> no i play aa and sc ocasionally
05:34 <P4> now*
05:38 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7259 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Syntax highlighting test, comments work.
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05:45 <DrJoeTron> P4 try out half life 1 when you get the chance ever
05:45 <DrJoeTron> really really good single player fps
05:48 <P4> one of a bit playable for me was... err..
05:48 <P4> sof :P
05:48 <P4> but pretty stupid one
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06:02 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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06:42 <DrJoeTron> hi
07:12 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: dunno what a TNT2 is :)
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: old nvidia card
07:15 <wrtlprnft> well, can't compare them, anyways
07:15 <wrtlprnft> i'm happy with my intel cards
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07:18 <MrBougo> hello
07:35 <MrBougo> bye
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07:45 <mkzelda> i got jew babe
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> is it legal in xml to do this? :
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> < SomeTag>
07:55 * Lucifer_arma has been working too hard on this stupid syntax highlighter
07:55 <mkzelda> i wont tell anyone
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> don't worry, I'll probably post a screenshot of it when I'm done for the night
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> I guess a more important question is, would minidom remove the spurious whitespace?
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, it's not legal
07:58 <mkzelda> do whats right when no one is watching
08:14 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7260 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Syntax highlighter
08:36 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7261 /tools/acme/trunk/libacmegui/ (editors/genericEditor.py mainqt.py): Made the genericEditor save properly, so now it can theoretically be used to create resources
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12:55 <P4> what's the maximum line length that i can say in armagetron 0.2.8.2.1?
13:20 <eddiefantastic> Masters are taking awful long to respond to me. Taking a few minutes to start a server
13:21 <eddiefantastic> well, maybe a minute
13:23 <guru3> everyone, let me know if you can't reach any of the aa.net services please
13:23 <P4> it's normal timing for me
13:24 <guru3> eddiefantastic: sounds like you're affected
13:35 <eddiefantastic> affected?
13:35 <guru3> does no one read the news? :<
13:36 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
13:36 <eddiefantastic> oh yeah ;) thanks
13:37 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: Domain Registration Transfer! Services affected! | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/armagetron.html | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron
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13:57 <ghableska> #weather 50266
13:58 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.2°F (6:56 AM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 28.96 in 980.6 hPa (Falling).
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14:27 <vinavil> ufff, it is too hot
14:27 <vinavil> and we are in may :S
14:38 <akira_> glimpse into future
14:38 <akira_> ;)
14:39 <akira_> there is no climate change!
14:39 <akira_> never!
14:39 <vinavil> sure...
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15:29 <gltron> are the forums down?
15:29 <vinavil> nope
15:30 <gltron> then I blame my crappy connection
15:30 <gltron> or DNS
15:30 <gltron> looks like I can't resolve it
15:31 <vinavil> what does it give?
15:31 <gltron> and it suddenly worked
15:31 <vinavil> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=45
15:32 <vinavil> does it work?
15:43 <gltron> yup
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17:04 <epsy> hi
18:21 <wrtlprnft> woot :) 13 points in this english test :D
18:21 <wrtlprnft> that's the best one of the entire class
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19:08 <Lucifer_arma> forums down?
19:08 <epsy> seems, yeah
19:08 <epsy> guru3,
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19:18 <epsy> Lucifer_arma, seems to work now
19:18 <epsy> hay jj
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19:22 <epsy> ^^
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19:36 <guru3> epsy: have you read the topic or news lately?
19:40 <epsy> guru3, just saw it
19:41 <epsy> hmm i can't remember, are zonesV2 able to act on rubber ?
19:42 * guru3 doesn't know
19:43 <MrBougo> yep they do :)
19:43 <MrBougo> even though i don't know anything about zonesV2
19:43 <epsy> if it's possible we can create totally new gameplays...like « finite » rubber, as of rain's idea, and have a health recovery zome for each team
19:43 <MrBougo> but i read some stuff about rubber refill
19:44 <epsy> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:02 <MrBougo> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:03 <epsy> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:06 <MrBougo> ...we can also add fortress to that :)
20:06 <epsy> ...
20:06 <MrBougo> ...we can soon eat fortress in chat :(
20:07 <MrBougo> ...or not
20:08 <epsy> i love how center_messages over more lines are displayed
20:13 <MrBougo> "over more lines"?
20:13 <MrBougo> can you send multi-lines c_messages?
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20:15 <vinavil> does anybody know how to replace not-standard "height" attribute of a table to fix an oject (image for ex) in centre using html?
20:16 <MrBougo> vinavil: ...we can also add fortress to that :)
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20:16 <vinavil> O_o?
20:17 <vinavil> does anybody know?
20:21 <epsy> vinavil, what ??
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20:22 <epsy> vinavil, what do you want to do ?
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20:22 <epsy> with what ?
20:22 <vinavil> epsy: html
20:22 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML for appearance is obsolete
20:22 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML defines content, not how it appears
20:23 <epsy> vinavil, what do you want what to do ?
20:23 <vinavil> luke-jr_work: i like it for appearance too :)
20:23 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: HTML should never be for appearance
20:23 <luke-jr_work> CSS is for appearance
20:23 <vinavil> epsy: a page with an image in centre
20:24 <epsy> is this image content or background ?
20:24 <vinavil> content
20:24 <P4> did i quit? what was the reason?
20:24 <epsy> P4, no you didn't
20:24 <P4> ok, it was then tunnel connection drop :|
20:25 <epsy> text-align: center; in css
20:25 <luke-jr_work> epsy: that's for text
20:25 <epsy> ...altrough it doesn't work on ie :/
20:25 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: center vertical, horizontal, or both?
20:26 <vinavil> both
20:26 <luke-jr_work> for horizontal, use margin: auto
20:26 <luke-jr_work> for vertical, you can't really
20:27 <vinavil> indeed vertical is the problem
20:27 <luke-jr_work> margin-top: 50%;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> padding-top: -<half-of-image-height>;
20:27 <vinavil> trying
20:27 <luke-jr_work> actually
20:27 <luke-jr_work> no
20:27 <luke-jr_work> top: 50%;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> margin-top: -<half-of-image-height>;
20:27 <luke-jr_work> position: absolute;
20:28 <luke-jr_work> or position: static;
20:28 <wrtlprnft> why so complicated?
20:28 <luke-jr_work> 'static' will keep it centered even it the page is scrolled
20:28 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: because CSS lacks means to auto-margin vertically
20:28 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: also lacks math
20:29 <luke-jr_work> I'd love to say "top: 50% - (height / 2)"
20:29 <epsy> same here
20:29 <wrtlprnft> body, html {margin:0; padding:0; height:100%;} body { display:table-cell; vertical-align:middle; text-align:center; }
20:29 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: that centers the page, not an image
20:29 <vinavil> height 100% is not valide
20:29 <luke-jr_work> vinavil: wtf?
20:30 <epsy> vertical-align doesn't work on firefox, btw
20:30 <luke-jr_work> firefox is buggy
20:30 <epsy> ...and used by 20% of ppl
20:30 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: text-align doesn't affect block elements, btw
20:30 <epsy> and, guess what
20:30 <epsy> there's one even worse getting 78% of ppl
20:32 <luke-jr_work> :p
20:32 <luke-jr_work> KDE4 should fix things up a bit
20:32 <luke-jr_work> when Konqueror is finally available for crapOS
20:32 <wrtlprnft> back
20:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: he was talking about an image
20:34 <guru3> luke-jr_work: 4th level domains should be possible now
20:34 <vinavil> hm
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20:55 <madmax|pt> this one I never heard before: "yeah have fun delay boy"
20:58 <vinavil> haha
21:05 <mkzelda> #later DrJoeTron http://www.batterieswholesale.com/faq_nimh.htm
21:08 <mkzelda> #later tell DrJoeTron http://www.batterieswholesale.com/faq_nimh.htm
21:08 <armabot> mkzelda: The operation succeeded.
21:10 <GodTodd> #later tell DrJoeTron FUCKER!!!111111111111!!!!OneONEone!!!!!
21:10 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
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21:17 <mkzelda> 111!11!eleventy!1!!!!2
21:30 <vinavil> we should build up a tutorial server
21:30 <epsy> agreed
21:31 <epsy> but we need someone to do it >.>
21:31 <P4> tutorial is good idea
21:31 <epsy> i would think about hints coming each 30 seconds, or more
21:32 <epsy> not sure about this, through
21:32 <P4> it would be annoyin :}
21:32 <epsy> not as munch as that
21:32 <P4> maybe some maze with rooms for different modes (styball, rubber, fortress, sumo)
21:33 <P4> or race ;)
21:33 <epsy> if we get the right delay between hints it wouldn't be annoying
21:33 <P4> yes
21:33 <P4> and hint's got to be different ;)
21:33 <epsy> of course ! lol
21:34 <P4> console mesages can explain tactic more briefly ;)
21:34 <epsy> hrm...i should realy get to buy a server
21:34 <epsy> *really
21:35 <vinavil> what about a place where you play different styles in different rounds with bots programmed for some specific moves? maybe with messages when you fail the move or useful tips. also it could be one round in spec and one playing.
21:36 <epsy> yeah...we should just incorporate such a gesture recognition system...
21:51 <P4> spect mode would frighten
21:51 <P4> ...noobs quickly
21:52 <P4> that server also could be pwnd by pros ocasionally ;) or more frequent, depends on niceness :)
21:52 <epsy> no
21:53 <epsy> no, no, no and no
21:54 <epsy> pr0s should be warned only to being there to HELP N00BS
21:57 <madmax|pt> that kick to spec idea would be good
21:57 <madmax|pt> and *keep* in spec for some time
21:57 <epsy> force-to-team feature could be intresting as well
21:58 <mkzelda> kick to spec could even be the fix that would avoid the need for a noob server
21:59 <epsy> meh ?
21:59 <mkzelda> or at least delay it
21:59 <epsy> making a noob-server is to prevent them being kicked for not knowing the gameplay they play
22:00 <mkzelda> ya i understand that, but adding the kick-to-spec feature to all servers would be something could could be done much more easily and quickly than a noob server
22:00 <mkzelda> it'd certainly make the game more friendly
22:00 <epsy> no
22:00 <mkzelda> instead of FUCK OFF, STUPID NOOB FUCK, GRIND YOU ASSHOLE NOOB, LEAVE!!! GET OUT OF HERE
22:01 <mkzelda> you could call it the 'bench'
22:01 <epsy> instead of that, he gets kicked only to the game, not to the server,
22:01 <epsy> but that's even worse -.-
22:02 <epsy> ok, we're happy
22:02 <epsy> but that n00b, what does he do ?
22:02 <epsy> he's there to play
22:02 <mkzelda> i dont see how making someone leave a server entirely w/o being able to watch and see how the game is played (and banning them) is worse than more politely removing them from the team
22:02 <mkzelda> at least then they still have the option to leave
22:03 <epsy> isn't he there to play ?
22:03 <mkzelda> of course, but him being there to play doesnt mean that he gets to kill everyone
22:03 <mkzelda> on the same team
22:03 <mkzelda> and ruin the game for everyone
22:04 <mkzelda> that argument doesnt help the either of our cases cause its agreed on both
22:04 <epsy> give him a way to learn then
22:04 <mkzelda> exactly
22:04 <mkzelda> thats what im saying
22:04 <mkzelda> why would you kick him off the server and ban him
22:04 <epsy> he'ill get bored and leave arma if we do that
22:04 <mkzelda> he's already forced to leave it
22:05 <mkzelda> once he watches X rounds or X minutes he can rejoin
22:05 <mkzelda> instead of being banned from the server
22:05 <mkzelda> for X minutes
22:05 <mkzelda> not everyone will be bored of waiting for a few rounds
22:05 <madmax|pt> not sure if new players would gladly join a server for new players
22:05 <mkzelda> some will, and they'll have the choice
22:05 <epsy> ok, such votes could be welcome i think
22:06 <epsy> but they will need a noob-server for practising
22:06 <mkzelda> ya i think both are great ideas
22:07 <mkzelda> but i cant agree that a noob-spec-vote would be more harm than the way it is now
22:07 <madmax|pt> and that server would be mostly empty i guess
22:07 <mkzelda> how bout after 2 noob-spec-votes it kicks u into the noob server
22:07 <mkzelda> i mean, after being kicked to the bench twice or 3 times
22:07 <epsy> madmax|pt, wait'n'see
22:08 <epsy> heh, this makes me think of some bug i got when timing out
22:08 <mkzelda> the noob server should show up #1 on the list until you visit it once, once u go there it changes NOOBSERV=1 to NOOBSERV=0 and then it wont show up top of the list anymore
22:08 <mkzelda> you could do it by 'score' value
22:08 <mkzelda> jack the score value of the noob server up high on default installations
22:09 <mkzelda> 405
22:09 <epsy> score is calculated by clients
22:09 <mkzelda> exactly
22:09 <epsy> what about default server bookmarks
22:09 <mkzelda> which is why in your default installation's config u have that value up higher than the rest
22:10 <mkzelda> then anyone who doesnt want to see it at the top of the list can '-' the value
22:10 <epsy> i see
22:10 <mkzelda> or, it can be made to do so upon visiting hte server
22:11 <mkzelda> tho theres some potential for abuse if that code is allowed, cause other servers could use that to jack their value up
22:11 <mkzelda> i wonder if thats possible now
22:12 <mkzelda> it'd be similar to wrtl's server that changed your cycle colors and player names
22:12 <epsy> well, we have such a system
22:12 <epsy> server bookmarks
22:12 <epsy> we just need to ut it in a better place in the menus
22:12 <epsy> *put
22:13 <mkzelda> i quit using bookmarks cause the servers ips always change and the delete didnt work properly in some versions
22:13 <epsy> the only one in my bookmark list which changes ip all the time is ctwf
22:14 <mkzelda> i didnt find it saved me much time, cause any time saved was lost maintaining the list
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22:14 <epsy> yeah, it's hard to manage that list...
22:15 <mkzelda> plus, unless its changed since i last used it, it doesnt poll users
22:15 <mkzelda> so i join empty servers
22:15 <epsy> that's the other point i would mention
22:16 <mkzelda> i really wish i had more time
22:16 <epsy> but i think it wouldn't be that complicated to make a server browser with them
22:16 <mkzelda> i could contribute a lot of these things
22:16 <mkzelda> if i had more time
22:16 <epsy> if i knew c++
22:17 <epsy> (bah, i still hack some sh*t here and there)
22:17 <epsy> *i can still
22:17 <mkzelda> ya
22:17 <mkzelda> i bet you could pull the server poll out of the server list browser and patch it into the bookmarks fairly easily
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22:18 <vinavil> all this work because of some rude players who cannot spend 2 minutes to teach a new player how to play. they have the game for free, they have the service of servers for free, but they cannot help the community to enlarge itself friendly. great zeus! i say.
22:18 <epsy> vinavil, i generally try to help them
22:18 <mkzelda> heh
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22:18 <vinavil> it takes 2 minutes, no more, i ensure you
22:19 <epsy> but it's hard for them to get what i say in the « chatflood » on servers like ctwf
22:19 <madmax|pt> #lastseen route
22:20 <epsy> and they generally don't even look at chat board
22:20 <armabot> madmax|pt: timed out
22:20 <epsy> i didn't saw ct|route for a long while
22:21 <madmax|pt> ct? o_O
22:21 <epsy> i think he leaved arma
22:21 <epsy> route is ct, isn't he ?
22:21 <madmax|pt> i remember route from a long time ago
22:21 <madmax|pt> didnt see him on ct though
22:21 <vinavil> just use "playername: press s to talk", then explain him/her about teams/grind/split and ask for feedbacks, and that is all folks
22:21 <epsy> we're probably not speaking of the same one then :P
22:22 <epsy> vinavil, they don't know about pg up key
22:22 <epsy> and they can't read it in time :/
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22:23 <madmax|pt> i usually say "page up to read up" instead of press s to talk
22:23 <epsy> if i had ICs for n00bs :D
22:23 <vinavil> indeed, you have to post when he/she is dead so it is easier to read
22:23 <epsy> you need to type, too
22:24 <vinavil> both?
22:24 <vinavil> heh
22:24 <vinavil> best way is to set some instant chat and use /msg
22:25 <vinavil> usually go spec to have time to explain them, then i re-join when they understood
22:26 <madmax|pt> #ping
22:26 <armabot> pong
22:26 <epsy> well, i don't really have time to go spec and forth
22:26 <vinavil> time?
22:26 <epsy> i'm generally playing only 1 match once
22:27 <epsy> then i get back on conversations/coding
22:27 <vinavil> then play 2 :)
22:27 <epsy> lol
22:27 <epsy> (or to another game :P )
22:27 <vinavil> traidor!
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22:27 <akira_> ok i will fecth some beer
22:27 <epsy> hehe
22:28 <akira_> oops
22:28 <akira_> wrong channel ;)
22:28 <GodTodd> this channel likes beer too ;)
22:28 <epsy> well, this isn't out of conversation :P
22:29 <epsy> wrong channel ?
22:29 <epsy> you're only on #armagetron
22:29 <epsy> or are you on another server ? :P
22:29 <epsy> vinavil, they are still free games
22:29 <epsy> ^^
22:29 <vinavil> epsy dont mind of others :)
22:30 <epsy> heh
22:30 <vinavil> epsy: i play no game!
22:30 <madmax|pt> how would one differentiate real kicks (of trolls and such) from kick to spec?
22:31 <epsy> i don't get what you mean
22:31 <epsy> the guy who vote or the guy that gets voted ?
22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him?
22:32 <luke-jr_work> guru3: ???
22:32 <madmax|pt> instead of kicking to spec
22:33 <guru3> switched dns some
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22:33 <vinavil> max: what is the use of normal kick with spec-kick active?
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22:36 <Vanhayes> #tea
22:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
22:36 <madmax|pt> there's already that option? x_X
22:40 <vinavil> max: no...
22:40 <vinavil> was a developing dream :)
22:43 <vinavil> which is the last relese of arma in bsd?
22:48 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: I'm not going to be here for the next ladle (or in fact for the next two weeks), so I can't admin on my server. If there's a match played on my server, could you temporarily transform FTS into a normal fortress server and admin it?
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22:51 <luke-jr_work> guru3: ah
22:52 <luke-jr_work> guru3: AXFR from aa.dashjr.org?
22:53 <Lucifer_bed> asdfasdf
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23:03 <ghableska> #weather 50266
23:03 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 59.2°F (4:01 PM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling).
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23:45 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: sure
23:47 <vinavil> i can't believe it. you are playing fortress, ok? then someone says: "sumo?". 2 seconds and you are playing alone....
23:47 <vinavil> is there anybody out there who still like fortress??!
23:49 <madmax|pt> well, me at least
23:49 <vinavil> :) phew
23:49 <madmax|pt> how many were there?
23:50 <luke-jr_work> I like fortress more than sumo
23:51 <vinavil> max, soon we will have our 2 rubber team server ^^
23:56 * ghableska prefers fortress
23:58 <vinavil> we could organize a secret society to forbid sumo in the whole world! muahahahahaaha!
23:58 * vinavil needs old times
23:58 <ghableska> o_O
23:59 <vinavil> #weather ghableska brain
23:59 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "ghableska brain".
Log from 2007-05-25:
--- Day changed Fri May 25 2007
00:00 <vinavil> i supposed
00:00 <vinavil> hehe
00:00 <vinavil> #weather ghableska
00:00 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "ghableska".
00:00 <vinavil> #weather vinavil
00:01 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "vinavil".
00:02 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska
00:02 <Vanhayes> #tea
00:02 <Vanhayes> #ping
00:02 <armabot> pong
00:03 <ghableska> heh
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: timed out
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
00:04 <Vanhayes> wow, long time outs
00:06 <vinavil> yesterday i ran armagetron on x. it is so smooth
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> yay, finally got the cheesy kdm themes turned off
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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00:10 <vinavil> max, come to FTS :)
00:16 <madmax|pt> can't right now...
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00:18 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ luke-jr_work GodTodd, anyone else who plays, Civ?
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00:29 <Vanhayes> so no one for civ then?
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00:33 <Lucifer_arma> I've sworn off freeciv
00:33 <Vanhayes> why?
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> maybe by doing so I'll be more motivated to write my own civ game :)
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00:56 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: not at work
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> fine, I give up
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how I can allow xdmcp logins?
01:06 <vinavil> sumo with 0 rubber in Fortress Test Server!
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01:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: maybe
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01:40 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: disabled
01:45 <luke-jr_> lol
01:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: cheezy kdm themes?
01:45 <Lucifer_bed> yeah, the default kubuntu theme, the default mandriva theme
01:45 <Lucifer_bed> they're *so* annoying
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01:46 <_Sticky_> default kubuntu is quite nice
01:47 <luke-jr_> ah
01:47 <luke-jr_> I know the guy who wrote the theme interface :p
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01:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: XDMCP
01:49 <luke-jr_> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/browser/trunk/tightvnc.txt
01:49 <luke-jr_> I believe what you need is in there
01:50 <Lucifer_bed> ummm, what does tightvnc have to do with xdmcp?
01:50 <luke-jr_> it uses XDMCP to provide the login screen
01:50 <luke-jr_> each VNC connection spawns a login display
01:51 <luke-jr_> part of that likely covers the config stuff you want
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01:52 <luke-jr_> hi Spider
01:52 <Spider> yo
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01:53 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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02:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (7:04 PM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Falling).
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I'm done logging in and out for now
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: that txt file did contain what I needed, thanks
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> so now I can xdmcp to my other machine to manage money, if only I had a money manager to put on there (wine wouldn't install quicken and gnucash and kmymoney2 are sucky)
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02:46 <ghableska> #tea
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:46 <ghableska> #armaservers
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: disabled
02:46 <ghableska> o_O
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02:49 <TheEmo> ach!
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02:49 <ghableska>
02:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: :)
02:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if you *do* happen to find a good Free money manager, please let me know
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02:55 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:55 <armabot> pong
02:56 <vinavil> is the cycle_width usable?
03:02 <vinavil> Warning in void rec_peer(unsigned int) in network/nNetwork.cpp:2050 :
03:02 <vinavil> Oversized network packet recived. Read buffer has been enlarged to catch it the next time.
03:02 <vinavil> ---
03:02 <vinavil> i got this while playing. normal?
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03:16 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: how about I stop working on acme and work on dave's stupid budget program instead?
03:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: heh, you plan to have it meet my needs too? ;)
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.getrichslowly.org/forms/GRS%20Budget%20Sheet.xls found this yesterday
03:18 <luke-jr_> I'm not getting rich anytime soon
03:19 <luke-jr_> got a whopping $200k expense in about a month
03:19 <luke-jr_> anyhow, that's just budget
03:24 <luke-jr_> and it doesn't work in KSpread very well
03:25 <Your_mom_arma> it worked well in open office, which I assume is what it was made in
03:25 <luke-jr_> why would you assume anything but Excel?
03:26 <luke-jr_> if it was made in OO.o, it would be .ods
03:27 <luke-jr_> my new budget requires an $87k salary
03:28 <luke-jr_> good thing the interview I just finished went well
03:28 <luke-jr_> I'm asking $100k from them
03:28 <luke-jr_> but it's in Phoenix, which isn't overly high on the list
03:30 * GodTodd notes luke-jr_ must not know much if he thinks an OO.o spreadsheet *has* to be ods...
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03:40 * luke-jr_ notes that if it were anything but .ods still, it would be just as bad as .xls
03:42 * GodTodd notes that preferable or not, you can easily save a calc spreadsheet as .xls
03:45 <luke-jr_> but someone who uses it isn't likely to
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03:53 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: likely wasn't what you said, though....you said "it would be .ods" and all i was saying was that's not necessarily true
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03:58 <TheEmo> Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?
03:58 <TheEmo>
03:58 <TheEmo> .
03:58 <TheEmo> ..
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04:17 <ghableska> #lastseen feather
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: featherfcuk has last been seen on 0 Rubber Sumo! 0 days 2 hours 13 minutes ago.
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: you'll need to learn some python :)
04:27 <luke-jr_> why? I already know python
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04:49 <ghableska> #nifgt
04:49 <ghableska> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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06:16 <epsy> hi
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06:19 <epsy> #realchatlogs
06:19 <armabot> epsy: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
06:22 <epsy> #m mkzelda « 22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him? »
06:22 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m mkzelda we should simply make a better kick menu, i'ill show you what it could look like
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m vinavil « 22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him? »
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m vinavil we should simply make a better kick menu, i'ill show you what it could look like
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> `:-|
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> #m epsy patches welcome
06:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> now I want to be able to connect to an existing login on another machine from this one
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> without vnc
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> because vnc is too damn slow
06:33 <epsy> are hacky patches welcome ? :o)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> depends on whether or not you're making an honest attempt to solve the problem :)
06:34 <epsy> lol
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if it's just a way to say "Well, I tried, but y'all will have to do better, and I'm going to hold it against you util you do", then don't waste y/our time with it
06:36 <epsy> i see
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07:06 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: can you install this on the forums?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: http://recaptcha.net/resources.html
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so we can help digitize books :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> also, the wiki when you get it running in its new home
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07:18 <MrBougo> hello
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08:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil thanks :)
08:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> CREATE TABLE accounts (
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with that?!?!?
08:30 <wrtlprnft> IIRC you put the PRIMARY KEY statement towards the bottom of the query
08:31 <wrtlprnft> ( id INTEGER 10 AUTO_INCREMENT, PRIMARY KEY id ) or something like that
08:31 <wrtlprnft> need to go, school
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's by convention
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I figured it out. VARCHAR (200) needs a space between the R and the (, and the error message was misleading
08:32 <wrtlprnft> :)
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09:35 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: what is it?
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> captcha
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it gives you two words, one the server knows about
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> the other is from a scanned book
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you're right on the first word, it assumes the second is right too
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> so while people fill out captchas, they're helping to digitize books :)
09:37 <guru3> hmmm
09:37 <guru3> it might be possible to do on the wiki
09:37 <guru3> i'm not sure about the forums
09:37 <guru3> btw what version of php for the wiki?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> the page I linked has phpBB and mediawiki plugins
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it matters, but it might. If it matters, it's php 5
09:38 <guru3> ok
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> I can't remember if mediawiki married php 5 or mysql 5
09:39 <guru3> ok because i know the forums can't live without php 4
09:39 <guru3> unless i wanted to entirely reinstall them from scratch
09:44 <guru3> lucifer, got time in about half an hour to 45 minutes to disable the wiki and force a db backup?
09:44 <guru3> because that's how long breakfast will take and then i'll be able to set the new one up after that
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you promise to do it after that, I'll just do it right now
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm goig to bed at any minute ;)
09:45 <guru3> i shall
09:45 <guru3> the big kicker will be DNS of course
09:45 <guru3> but i'll do it right after
09:45 <guru3> it's raining so i wont be going off to the library
09:48 <guru3> just leave the backup for the db where i can find it on the server :>
09:48 <guru3> i'm off now
09:48 <guru3> (or i won't get to eat)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> the two files on the server are in /www/wiki
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> one of them is still compressing, it's the images directory which contains all user uploads
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> to make sure it's finished, just ls -l it a few times until the size stops changing :)
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, it just finished
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> alternately, here's a pm with download links
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, ssh will often copy faster than http, and one of those files is 50MB or so
10:16 <guru3> ok
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10:21 <Lucifer_arma> wow, georgetown is going to flood
10:23 <guru3> svn for the wiki
10:24 <guru3> is that supposed to be everything?
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's just our own stuff
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> svn from mediawiki
10:24 * Lucifer_arma goes to dig up a link
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I think I had 1.9.2 installed last
10:27 <guru3> ok
10:31 <guru3> wow this is giving me a hell of a time
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> time to download?
10:32 <guru3> the svn uri on the mediawiki wiki doesn't work
10:32 <guru3> svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_9_2/phase3
10:32 <guru3> url does not exist
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> s/branches/tags
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> or make it REL1_2
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> 1_9
10:33 <guru3> see if that works then
10:34 <guru3> oh it is
10:35 <DrJoeTron> heya
10:35 <DrJoeTron> #m mkzelda sweet, thanks :)
10:35 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <guru3> can you do a svn checkout on top of an svn checkout? Oo
10:36 <DrJoeTron> #m GodTodd WHY DONT YOU GO BACK TO THE WORTHLESS HOLE YOU CAME FROM GOD I CANT STAND YOU JEEZ
10:36 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> I dn't know :/
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> I've had interesting issues with it in the past
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd and DrJoeTron (hi there!) recently have a spat?
10:37 <DrJoeTron> <armabot> Sent 13 hours and 24 minutes ago: <GodTodd> FUCKER!!!111111111111!!!!OneONEone!!!!!
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> I just noticed you guys are always talking trash at each other
10:37 <DrJoeTron> >:I You want some too!?
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> some spoken garbage?
10:37 <DrJoeTron> we had a rough night together :/
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> forgot the ky?
10:38 <DrJoeTron> he used sandpaper
10:38 <DrJoeTron> and said April Fools!
10:38 <DrJoeTron> its may :/
10:40 <DrJoeTron> i think I'm about done with desktop earth
10:40 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to make a backround
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.annsummers.com/single.asp?gid=7%20&cat=2&pid=4294&QSI=225bacfe-5776-4a1f-8de1-f54ff47df5bf
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11:31 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/testbach.jpg
11:32 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd I KNOW YOU'RE THERE
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11:45 <Stempo> *whistles* 2:46am on a Friday... wow
11:45 <madmax|pt> x_x
11:46 <Stempo> morning max xD
11:46 <Stempo> I think
11:46 <Stempo> it's morning right?
11:47 <madmax|pt> yep
11:47 <Stempo> what time is it?
11:47 <Stempo> for you
11:47 <madmax|pt> 10:49
11:47 <Stempo> O.O
11:48 <Stempo> that sounds nice
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12:46 <guru3> moving the wiki... so _not_ plug & play
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13:05 <P4> wrtlprnft: are you here
13:05 <P4> can you come to styball? there's some strange behaviour
13:06 <P4> i don't know if it's lag but the wall doesn't works all the time ;P
13:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> note that there's always been some strangeness in single player games
13:57 <P4> no no i was playing with lulejko
13:57 <P4> it was like huge lag jumps with strange wall behaviour...
13:58 <P4> but now it's ok i think :}
13:58 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
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16:57 <epsy> hi
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17:53 <philippeqc> hi!
17:54 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: beside the wrong side of the zone (in branch for v2), and the "zone explode rather than shrink", what else did you observe?
17:54 <epsy> hay philippeqc
17:54 <philippeqc> hello epsy
18:00 <philippeqc> finally the week-end
18:00 <epsy> yeah
18:00 <epsy> waited for that one
18:00 <philippeqc> i'm gonna eat such fine food!
18:00 <philippeqc> I have a peice of hanged beef
18:01 <philippeqc> and one of beef filet
18:01 <epsy> :) ^^
18:01 * epsy eats kow for dinner
18:01 * philippeqc is eating tortilla with salsa, doritos and red wine atm
18:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: sometimes they wouldn't rotate
18:02 <wrtlprnft> or neither shrink nor explode
18:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the rotate code isnt connected yet beside a constant factor IIRC
18:03 <wrtlprnft> well, sometimes they rotated, and IIRC they sometimes accelerated their rotation, too
18:03 <philippeqc> have you observed anything that I should address before moving my code to the trunk
18:05 <wrtlprnft> i'd say go ahead if you have time for the next few days to fix problems
18:05 <philippeqc> that long!
18:05 <wrtlprnft> I won't be here, for the next two weeks, though
18:05 <wrtlprnft> no, not 48 hours of coding
18:05 <wrtlprnft> just to fix problems if they emerge
18:06 <philippeqc> o ok
18:06 <philippeqc> that i think can manage
18:06 <philippeqc> whereare you goig
18:06 <epsy> yay! the msn server at paris just crashed!
18:07 <philippeqc> epsy: are the german attacking?
18:07 <philippeqc> why do they always have to pick on Paris!
18:10 <epsy> philippeqc, il y a juste un orage...evidemment c'est MS qui y passe ^^
18:11 <philippeqc> MS windows crashe pas, il fait seulement un arret d'urgence pour cause metereologique sous forme d'un ecran bleu de la mort
18:13 <luke-jr_work> CRASH
18:13 <luke-jr_work> :p
18:13 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what was the verdict on [a-z]Values?
18:13 <philippeqc> hi luke
18:15 <luke-jr_work> hi
18:16 <philippeqc> congrats on the work (many seasons late)
18:16 <luke-jr_work> ???
18:16 <wrtlprnft> [a-z] valies?
18:16 <philippeqc> last news i had from you, you where still searching for work
18:16 <wrtlprnft> *values
18:16 <luke-jr_work> o
18:16 <luke-jr_work> so the one I'm about to quit? :p
18:17 <philippeqc> [a-z]Value? yes, might be t or v, I havent followed too closely
18:17 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:17 <luke-jr_work> [tv]Value :p
18:17 <philippeqc> luke: yeah, what you changing to
18:17 <wrtlprnft> don't remember, really
18:17 <philippeqc> oki
18:17 <wrtlprnft> i think Lucifer_arma suggested reverting to tValue
18:18 <philippeqc> I'll default shapes on tFunctions in the meanwhile
18:18 * luke-jr_work notes the main diff between t and v Value was organizing the files
18:18 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: dunno yet
18:18 <philippeqc> oooo, that type of quitting!
18:19 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:19 <luke-jr_work> assuming they won't keep me on if I'm 300 miles away
18:20 <philippeqc> planning to, but havent found the replacement yet
18:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=rimini,+italy&ie=UTF8&ll=44.037716,12.616526&spn=0.002545,0.005021&t=h&z=18&om=1
18:20 <wrtlprnft> is where i'm going
18:20 * epsy sneds a bomb there
18:20 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: I'm moving
18:20 <philippeqc> o ok
18:22 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Italy! Nice, vacation, school, {girl|boy}friend?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> vacation
18:22 * wrtlprnft is NOT gay.
18:22 <epsy> :D
18:23 * epsy culdn't resist putting a smiley there
18:23 * luke-jr_work notes wrtlprnft is male
18:23 <epsy> *ou
18:23 <philippeqc> I dont even have a confirmation of your gender, For all I know your a girl who decided to pass as a guy to avoid the "yes i'm a really good programmer AND a girl, could you please get over it"
18:24 <luke-jr_work> LOL
18:25 <philippeqc> and why should I get offended by your choice? There are so many real problems in the world, we dont need artificial ones.
18:25 <epsy> xD
18:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:26 <wrtlprnft> so i also picked a male username=
18:26 <wrtlprnft> *?
18:26 <wrtlprnft> i must be a REALLY smart girl
18:26 <luke-jr_work> how the crap is wrtlprnft male or female?
18:27 <luke-jr_work> the name, I mean
18:27 <philippeqc> well, the male user name thing is debatable for you, but yes, to cover your story, thats what you'd do.
18:27 * wrtlprnft isn't talking about the name wrtlprnft
18:27 <luke-jr_work> you know, to even suspect this makes me wonder if philippeqc is describing his own actions
18:27 <wrtlprnft> like when i post console output or join a server with a freshly compiled client it says „mathias”
18:28 <philippeqc> its the t. T in german is usual ending of male names, and k is normally female, like "a" is normally female in english and most latin language
18:28 <kidanger> #serverinfo 0 rubber sumo
18:28 <armabot> kidanger: 0 Rubber Sumo!: No online players.
18:28 <luke-jr_work> oh, the IRC "real name"
18:28 <kidanger> Who has this server ?
18:28 <luke-jr_work> #serverinfo -v 0 rubber sumo
18:28 <philippeqc> o yeah, IRC "real name" nobody ever cheat on that one!
18:28 <armabot> luke-jr_work: 0 Rubber Sumo! (88.198.22.100:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20070517 unix dedic, Description: ““, No online players.
18:29 * wrtlprnft notes his irc real name is unset
18:29 <luke-jr_work> 100.22.198.88.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR wrtlprnft.servegame.org.
18:29 <philippeqc> finger wrtlprnft
18:29 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: we just went over this; wrtlprnft is male
18:29 <philippeqc> no, the finger command
18:30 <wrtlprnft> go away from my boobs!
18:30 <wrtlprnft> oops.
18:30 <philippeqc> lol
18:30 <philippeqc> Anyway, long story short is a phrase that dates back since before the war.
18:33 * philippeqc whishes wrt a good vacation, irrelevantly of the type of swimsuit weared at the beach
18:33 <wrtlprnft> thanks
18:33 <wrtlprnft> will still be here all of tomorrow
18:33 <philippeqc> ok
18:36 <philippeqc> biggest 3 advises to give to a traveler:
18:36 <philippeqc> a) uses protection, b) uses protection, c) uses protection
18:36 <wrtlprnft> 3 spell it “advice” :D
18:37 <philippeqc> a) Sun tan lotion!
18:37 <philippeqc> b) should you decide to drink alcool, drink lots of water and have a friend what over you
18:38 <philippeqc> c) should you decide to engage in some.... hummm... bed chamber olympics... yeah.... dont forget protection
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18:38 <wrtlprnft> i'll try to remember :D
18:39 <philippeqc> o, I can guaranty its going to hurt should you forget any of them!
18:39 <wrtlprnft> especially the last one, should I prove to be female
18:40 <philippeqc> lol
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18:45 <philippeqc> well, you would have ~40 weeks to learn yoga very good, but a full body sun-burn strikes overnight
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19:00 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: sun tan lotion is bad
19:00 <philippeqc> ??? why is it ???
19:01 <luke-jr_work> I don't know the details; most have some chemical that can be harmful
19:01 <luke-jr_work> #c is just plain evil
19:05 <philippeqc> heard those stories in the 80's. I guess now either they changed the active chemical, or that the chance and danger of exposition to sun is superiror to that of said chemical
19:05 <philippeqc> we talked about c already, you know where I stand, I know where you stand. What are you hoping to accomplish now?
19:06 <luke-jr_work> I don't "stand" anywhere
19:06 <luke-jr_work> I just accept reality how it is
19:07 * luke-jr_work notes in the US, most people don't get *enough* sun exposure
19:08 <philippeqc> This is where you expect me to chime "So you've accepted the big-band and evolution as probable theories, and such and such...?"
19:08 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about US ≠ rest of the world here*
19:08 <luke-jr_work> they're not probable theories
19:09 <luke-jr_work> they're disproven by science and only held by atheists on faith
19:09 <wrtlprnft> anyways, all i know is that it's too much and hurts if you are out in the italian sun for an entire day w/o protection
19:09 <philippeqc> in sweden too. Worse are most muslim women. Sweden has low level of solar radiation, and they weird long veils, reducing greatly how much light they receive.
19:10 <luke-jr_work> umbrellas are safe :)
19:10 <wrtlprnft> not even those.
19:11 <wrtlprnft> it's still a lot for an entire day out. I probably wouldn't get a sunburn, but i know people who would
19:11 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:12 <wrtlprnft> have you ever wondered why it's not pitch black in the shadow of an umbrella?
19:13 <wrtlprnft> hint: stuff like sand does reflect light, including UV light
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19:15 <luke-jr_work> well, avoid sand then
19:19 <philippeqc> luke, I simply cannot accept you position that God is a deceiving liyer. Why do you go out of your way to imagine him creating a 42billion light year wide universe, filling all the void with light AS IF IT CAME FROM STARS FROM A GEAT DISTANCE, then going around creating the earth, then layering sediments over sediments, folding them together in some case, filling them with fossiles AS IF THE EARTH HAD EXISTED SINCE 4.5 BILLION
19:19 <philippeqc> YEAR, AND HAD BEEN SUBJECTED TO EROSION PROCESS EVER SINCE, WITH CONTINENT MOVING AROUND LIFTING ONCE UNDER SEA MATERIAL? This is what I cant understand from your argumentation. Why would an all powerfull God resort to cheap Movie Effects, creating a parody of a world, then let us loose there, asking us to admire at his creation, if said creating is but a vague parodie of itself, when he could have done it the simple way. Sna
19:19 <philippeqc> p his finger, big-bang.... then simply letting it unroll.
19:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: THAT's why you guys don't get enough sun exposure
19:19 <wrtlprnft> you don't get any notable amount in a car, by the way
19:20 <wrtlprnft> or through any other glass object, for that matter
19:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you can't argue with the guys who believe that, at least not in that way. They'll just tell you that god has reasons we can't ever understand and ignore you
19:24 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: but even to take that position, you have to accept that God is a deceiver, and doesnt want you to explore his creation, while you have to still stand that He wants you to explore!
19:25 <philippeqc> Even with good reason, that makes God one heck of a lyier and deciver.
19:25 <philippeqc> And He is supposed to stand agains those values
19:29 <philippeqc> O, and it still forces God to use cheap tricks, a semi-all powerfull kind of one, rather than to give Him all the greatness and see that he could actually plan something from he start, 15 trillion year ago, and just let it unroll
19:32 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: whether or not you accept the lifetime of the Earth, the big bang/evolution is still disproven as a possibility
19:32 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: also, the sediments were all caused by volcanos and the Flood
19:33 <luke-jr_work> all of those things are naturally occuring at very rapid rates
19:33 * wrtlprnft is still wondered how this noah guy got off mount everest
19:33 <philippeqc> that explains the ones that are under 6000 years, what about the ones before that
19:33 <wrtlprnft> *wonders
19:33 <luke-jr_work> it wasn't Everest in the first place
19:33 <luke-jr_work> Ararat
19:33 <wrtlprnft> whatever
19:33 <philippeqc> disproven by who?
19:33 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: reputable scientists
19:34 <philippeqc> the bible has been disproven, you accepted it?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and how many reputable scientists are proving the opposite?
19:34 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: the sediment layers are dated by the contents and the contents by the layers; circular logic
19:34 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: the Bible cannot be disproven
19:34 <wrtlprnft> next thing he's going to tell us is that π=3
19:34 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: none
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and that reputable scientists have proven that as well
19:34 <luke-jr_work> except perhaps those who haven't researched the topic
19:34 <wrtlprnft> all that 3.141 crap is wrong
19:34 <philippeqc> carbon dating is good up to 250 000 year. That place it before any flood
19:35 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: you're referring to the non-circular thing?
19:35 <philippeqc> before that, you use uranium/lead dating
19:35 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: carbon dating is based on a bunch of incorrect assumptions
19:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't have the quote, but i read it somewhere
19:35 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: the problem is they assume the measurements are meant to be a circle
19:35 * wrtlprnft thinks that carbon dating sounds more plausible than a piece of paper
19:36 <philippeqc> the Bible is a book. Very important in the heart of many, yet mundane in its origin and distribution.
19:36 <luke-jr_work> the Bible is an infallible book
19:36 <philippeqc> O is it?
19:37 <luke-jr_work> indeed
19:37 <luke-jr_work> as are many catechisms
19:37 <luke-jr_work> and documents produced by Church councils
19:38 * philippeqc enjoys the fact that for an infallible book, many people holding this position point to the other as being the mislead sheep
19:38 <luke-jr_work> hm?
19:39 <wrtlprnft> (rough translation from german): „And he made the ocean, cast, from one border to the other 10 <obscure unit> wide all around and 5 <same obscure unit> high and a rope of 30 <same obscure unit> was the measurement all around”
19:39 <luke-jr_work> that's because heretics try to read it on their own without footnotes or guidance and misunderstand what it says
19:40 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: so where does it say that's a circle?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> same width all around
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i don't think they had the math to make any other curve of constant with with that exact length
19:41 <luke-jr_work> maybe you underestimate them?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it's not all that trival to construct one. good luck.
19:43 <wrtlprnft> and they would have explained it on more detail, anways
19:44 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't a plain circle
19:44 <wrtlprnft> actually it's impossible to construct one in the mathematical sense.
19:44 <philippeqc> wait wat wait, the flimsiness of your argumentation finally left me
19:44 <philippeqc> how many flood where there?
19:45 <luke-jr_work> one great flood
19:45 <philippeqc> that's a great many number of sediment rock layers for a 40 days rain
19:45 <luke-jr_work> why?
19:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:45 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: please grab a jar
19:46 <luke-jr_work> and fill it with sand using a funnel
19:46 <philippeqc> lets assume its sufficient for one sediment layer, what about the previous one
19:46 <luke-jr_work> let me know how many layers you get
19:46 <luke-jr_work> the Flood created the vast majority of layers
19:46 <luke-jr_work> that's how they contain fossils
19:46 <luke-jr_work> fossils can only be made very quickly
19:46 <wrtlprnft> STAY AWAY FROM SUN!!!!! the sun exposure is too great
19:46 <philippeqc> cant create 2 with different creatures in them
19:46 <z-man-work> were howler monkeys involved?
19:46 <luke-jr_work> haha
19:46 <wrtlprnft> err
19:46 <wrtlprnft> STAY AWAY FROM SAND
19:47 <philippeqc> howler monkeys is a new one for me
19:47 <philippeqc> brb
19:47 <z-man-work> be glad about that.
19:47 * luke-jr_work should go see what the howler monkey says
19:47 <luke-jr_work> A howler monkey says, "Brain; q test. Spamspamspam."
19:50 <wrtlprnft> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=sqrt%2850+-+2%2A5%2A5%2Acos%28120+degrees%29%29%2Api&btnG=Search
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that would be the circumference of a Reuleaux triangle with a circumference of 10 obscure units
19:51 <wrtlprnft> the 5-sided equivalent is probably way over 30, and anything between that is impossible to construct if you need a specific circumference
19:52 <luke-jr_work> I don't know why you're being so exact in the first place
19:53 <wrtlprnft> isn't the bible super exact and correct?
19:53 <philippeqc> I dont know why you argue about vague comment as if they where fact?
19:53 <luke-jr_work> no, it's super vague and correct
19:53 <luke-jr_work> or at least it would seem from how many misinterpretations people make up
19:54 <philippeqc> yes, thats why I tell you, the genesis is but a metaphore
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20:24 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "The Bible tastes like ass!"
20:24 <luke-jr_work> it's not a metaphor
20:25 <philippeqc> yes it is
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, today's towel day
20:26 <philippeqc> its been disproven by reputable scientists
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> towel day?
20:26 * philippeqc runs to the bath room
20:26 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: nonsense
20:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r7262 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ignore *.pyc
20:27 * philippeqc has a towel on his shoulder. i'm ready for anything
20:27 <philippeqc> yes, that is what they said about the Genesis. So you read their text?
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20:30 <philippeqc> haaa... flood sediment, you knew its true just by looking how they are on top of mountains
20:33 <wrtlprnft> nemo is alive?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> as in “active in armagetronad”
20:33 <philippeqc> are you a boy?
20:33 <philippeqc> so many philosophical questions!
20:33 <philippeqc> ;)
20:34 <philippeqc> I havent seen him online in the short time I was playing since I'm back. Sorry
20:34 <wrtlprnft> he has disappeared for a while, much like you
20:35 <philippeqc> we didnt hang out in the same cave. Sorry
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20:40 <Lucifer_arma> sure he disappeared? He tends to appear to have disappeared, but in reality just has nothing to say/do
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7263 /tools/acme/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): View source?
20:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: nemo posted at 7:42pm. Was it this message that triggered your question?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> 20:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r7262 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ignore *.pyc
20:48 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: wiki relocation != easy for some reason -_-
20:52 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: but if you could, please make sure things on the wiki still work
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> um, broken redirect?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.nethttp//wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> check your config file
20:53 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653686.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #armagetron
20:53 <digitx> hi
20:53 <guru3> try it now
20:54 <philippeqc> hello
20:55 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-224-102.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20:56 <guru3> also Lucifer_arma, email notifications should work, so ifyou could change the thing at the top
20:59 <philippeqc> this is just too weird
20:59 <philippeqc> I merged my branch back to trunk under 2 hours
21:00 <philippeqc> With 2 glass of wine in the nose
21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it compiles
21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it execute
21:00 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTro@adsl-75-56-50-151.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #Armagetron
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21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it runs on the net vs servers with zones
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21:00 <philippeqc> this is way tooo spooky for me!
21:05 <vinavil> philippeqc: do you have some C++ exercies for me?
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21:14 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: fuck you :)
21:15 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd my wallpaper is da best
21:16 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/BILSS.jpg
21:16 * GodTodd just scrolled to the philosophical discussion from earlier and just wants to note that to luke-jr_work a "reputable scientist" is one who agrees/"proves" whatever nonsensical stance "true christians" hold.
21:16 <DrJoeTron> :D
21:17 <GodTodd> bahahaha....i'ma put that in my wallpaper rotation
21:17 * GodTodd has a different wallpaper every 10 minutes.
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: ready for the bugtracker? :)
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh, too bad it's 4:3 aspect ratio
21:19 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: i guess... requirements?
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> flyspray + database
21:20 <guru3> can you wrap up the install in an archive this time?
21:20 <guru3> getting mediawiki going from just the db and a clean install was murder
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I can link it, nothing fancy about this one
21:20 <guru3> and i'm still not sure if it's setup right
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you want the install I'm running?
21:20 <guru3> hopefully i can just put it in place yeah?
21:21 <guru3> and what url?
21:21 <guru3> tracker.armagetronad.net
21:21 <guru3> should that be ok?
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> should, but I have to leave right now to sell some textbooks
21:21 <guru3> ok
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> does your shell account still work?
21:21 <guru3> yes
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> lemme put you in the wheel group and give you the root password
21:21 <guru3> ok
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to tear that machine down when this is all over, so I can be somewhat promiscuous with the root password :)
21:22 <guru3> heh, ok
21:22 <digitx> .
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21:23 <Lucifer_arma> er, what's your username? :)
21:23 <guru3> fcs
21:26 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd aww :3
21:33 * GodTodd frenches DrJoeTron.
21:33 <GodTodd> dammit....i need to get another video card :/
21:34 <akira_> i need to get another pc..
21:34 <GodTodd> $90 lasted 6-7 years...guess that's ok return on the investment
21:34 <vinavil> i need another life
21:35 <vinavil> anybody has a job to offer? i can move everywhere
21:36 <Bougo> bye
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21:36 <GodTodd> anyone here good with hardware troubleshooting...just want verification of my own diagnosis...
21:37 <GodTodd> there should be a '?' in there somewhere :)
21:37 <Bougo> rofl DrJoeTron yurz wallpapey iss teh best evah
21:38 <Bougo> bay
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21:41 <GodTodd> Vanhayes_opera: what aria are you singing?
21:41 <Vanhayes_opera> the second?
21:41 * Vanhayes_opera doesn't know one bit of opera
21:41 <GodTodd> from which opera?
21:41 <GodTodd> :P
21:49 <vinavil> opera the browser? :P
21:49 <Vanhayes_opera> ya, heh
21:50 <vinavil> im on opera
21:51 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653686.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["Távozom"]
21:51 <Vanhayes_opera> same, its a decent irc client
21:51 <vinavil> yea, i like the all-in-one feature
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21:52 <vinavil> it is getting better year by year
21:52 <vinavil> but still has some problem in visualization
21:52 <vinavil> in browser
21:55 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
21:55 <Vanhayes_opera> #tea
21:55 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 84.0°F (3:56 PM EDT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling).
21:55 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Fortress Café: No online players.
21:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
21:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 74.7°F (2:57 PM CDT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Falling).
21:55 <GodTodd> i lose :(
21:56 <mkzelda> humidity thru the roof there
21:56 <mkzelda> bout to storm?
21:56 <mkzelda> if it drops a few degrees i guess
21:56 <vinavil> 79% humidity!!
21:56 <GodTodd> supposed to storm all weekend
21:56 <vinavil> how do you breath? lol
21:56 <GodTodd> been raining off and on today and we got nailed yesterday
21:56 <mkzelda> we havent had rain since christmas, just 3 or 4 10 min drizzles that didnt do anything
21:57 <GodTodd> heh...we're actually running a surplus on rain this year
21:57 <mkzelda> everything is dead
21:57 <Vanhayes_opera> #weather saint john
21:57 <GodTodd> last year we ended up around 18 feet low on lake levels
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Fog patches along the fundy coast this evening. Fog patches developing near midnight. Wind south 20 km/h becoming light this evening. (1 more message)
21:57 <Vanhayes_opera> hot muggy day out
21:57 <GodTodd> hot?
21:57 <GodTodd> at 70?
21:57 <mkzelda> ya our lake dried out last year
21:58 <GodTodd> muggy? at 53%?
21:58 <mkzelda> i mean, the one that is our water source
21:58 <mkzelda> people were walking along the bottom
21:58 <mkzelda> taking pictures
21:58 <mkzelda> found all kinds of stuff
21:58 <GodTodd> wow...we haven't gotten that bad yet
21:58 <mkzelda> tires, cars, murder weapons, bodies
21:58 <philippeqc> vinavil: watching a movie here
21:59 <philippeqc> google for "c++ annotations"
21:59 <vinavil> philippeqc: nice, which movie?
21:59 <philippeqc> few exercises, some examples, but much information
21:59 <philippeqc> Goldfinger
21:59 <Vanhayes_opera> its more than 53 here, and hotter, saint john is on the bay of fundy, im far enough away that it is at least 5-10 degrees hotter here, than there, and usually as muggy or more
21:59 <GodTodd> "The Truth" by luke-jr_work
21:59 <philippeqc> I'm at the laser scene
21:59 <mkzelda> http://www.newsobserver.com/content/multimedia/gallery/20051205_drought/
22:00 <Vanhayes_opera> #weather e5n 5c5
22:00 <vinavil> hehe
22:00 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: The current temperature in Hampton High School, Hampton, New Brunswick is 75.7°F (5:01 PM ADT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
22:00 <philippeqc> you know, where bond in strapped on a table and about to be cut by a laser
22:00 <GodTodd> less than 53 :P
22:00 <vinavil> yea, it reminds me something
22:00 <GodTodd> 53 > 51
22:00 <philippeqc> yes, about half the movie parodies ever made ...
22:00 <philippeqc> ;)
22:00 <philippeqc> well, going back to my movie
22:01 <philippeqc> good luck
22:01 <vinavil> lata phil
22:01 <philippeqc> try 2morrow instead
22:01 <philippeqc> I should be awake in 8 to 10 hours ;)
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22:03 <mkzelda> notice the date on that url?
22:03 <mkzelda> 2005 dec 05
22:03 <mkzelda> problem still ongoing
22:03 <GodTodd> heh...i've been through 5-10 year droughts
22:04 <GodTodd> hrmm...time to pack up the rugrats and do some grocery shopping :/
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23:01 <Vanhayes_opera> #tea
23:01 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Fortress Café: Players (18/32): akira, Amun-Ra, CTDimbiman, ikono, Kamakazi, kszys, Monkey, pavelo, postage due, RebelMusic.mp3, TooThPicK, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ¦×¥ Legit, ¦×¥Flex, ¦×¥Rico, °°@shitakA, °°BopyCat, °°eLasH
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23:48 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:48 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Amun-Ra, Anun, CTxOwned, hoop, ikono, JJBean, KeY_3113, Ossi, pavelo, Sithy, Tîger, ~ X ~, ~*wHaTuP*~, ¦Ö¦Qico, °¯AshitakA
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how I can force a logout?
Log from 2007-05-26:
--- Day changed Sat May 26 2007
00:03 <GodTodd> tell them "get the fuck off my machine"?
00:07 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: kill the login shell
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> how do you find out which login shell is being used?
00:07 <digitx> w
00:08 <guru3> ps i guess
00:08 <wrtlprnft> guru3: can you do the skin thing Lucifer_arma did on your copy on the wiki?
00:08 <wrtlprnft> basically copy the original skin to a new one and don't change anything
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: make your changes to the original skin :)
00:08 <wrtlprnft> if you like…
00:08 <guru3> shouldn't the original skin still be there>
00:08 <guru3> ?
00:09 <guru3> i didn't delete anything in the skin folder
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the experiment is over and your changes can be merged into the original skin now, right?
00:09 <wrtlprnft> guru3: well, it dropped me to the “classic” one
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> digitx: w shows it to me, but it doesn't give the pid for the login shell
00:10 <guru3> cross reference the information from w and ps aux
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> sudo ps -Af | grep "/bin/sh"
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> ps aux works too
00:12 <guru3> is having like... 150 processes running normal?
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> aha, that worked, thanks :)
00:13 <guru3> who was logged on? :o
00:14 <guru3> was that perhaps the shell i closed before that had stopped responding to input?
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> my wife was logged on twice
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> I just got my computers setup to simplify logins
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> now we have 4 people using 2 computers, so I needed to rearrange a bit
00:21 <wrtlprnft> guru3: minor thing, no favicon yet, apparently
00:21 <guru3> was there one before?
00:21 <wrtlprnft> yeah
00:21 * guru3 looks towards Lucifer_arma
00:21 * guru3 goes off to ssh
00:23 <wrtlprnft> while you're at it, maybe put it on the main page, too?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> and forums?
00:23 <guru3> if i could find it
00:27 <wrtlprnft> try /favicon.ico on wherever the wiki used to be?
00:27 <wrtlprnft> that's where the current wiki is linking to
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki had a favicon before?
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> I managed to accidentally get my browser to load my own website's stupid guitar favicon and it cached that and never refreshed it
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I think there's a setting in mediawiki for telling it what the favicon is
00:32 <wrtlprnft> it's already linking to one
00:32 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/favicon.ico is where it wants it to be
00:32 <wrtlprnft> and i suspect it used to be there before
00:32 <guru3> there isn't one there tho :S
00:32 <wrtlprnft> let's see if gimp can make .ico files
00:33 <guru3> i beleive it can
00:33 <guru3> believe
00:33 <wrtlprnft> or we could just screw IE and make it a png
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> ummm
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> png2ico
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> #google png2ico
00:33 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.09 seconds: png2ico - PNG to icon converter (Linux,GNU,Windows,Unix): <http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/>; How To Create And Install favicon.ico (Linux,GNU,Windows,Unix): <http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/favicon.html>; freshmeat.net: Project details for png2ico: <http://freshmeat.net/projects/png2ico/>; png2ico (1): convert .PNG file to (2 more messages)
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't one in the old wiki webspace
00:35 <wrtlprnft> weird
00:35 <wrtlprnft> i KNOW there was an image in the tab bar
00:38 <guru3> i don't particularly remember one
00:38 <guru3> but that doesn't mean we can't make one
00:38 <guru3> the classic top down view?
00:39 <wrtlprnft> already working on it
00:40 <guru3> cool then
00:40 <guru3> and if i thought it was fun moving the wiki
00:40 <guru3> i fear what it'll be like moving the forums
00:40 <guru3> with its fun gigabyte of disk usage
00:46 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/yellow.ico
00:46 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/blue.ico
00:46 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/green.ico
00:47 <wrtlprnft> i thought, maybe the yellow one for the main site, the blue one for the forums and the green one for the wiki?
00:47 <guru3> is there a red one?
00:47 <wrtlprnft> so you can distinguish the different parts of the site
00:47 <wrtlprnft> not yet
00:47 <guru3> i think red for the forums
00:47 <guru3> blue for the mainsite
00:47 <guru3> yellow for the wiki
00:48 <guru3> green for... i have no clue
00:48 <wrtlprnft> aabeta?
00:49 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/red.ico
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> green for the tracker? ;)
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> (since the tracker is a green theme right now)
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> purple for the buildbot
00:50 <wrtlprnft> sounds reasonable
00:50 <wrtlprnft> cyan for aabeta?
00:50 <Lucifer_arma> also, guru3: can you come up with some automated steps that will let us update the sites?
00:51 <guru3> the mainsite has it
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of having a buildslave to handle updating the websites, getting everything put in svn, and then configuring the buildmaster to trigger a new build only on tagging
00:51 <Lucifer_arma> that way, we can all (whoever has access to svn) make changes to things like the skin and stuff, and then when we've testd it locally (which we do, right?), tag it to be published
00:52 <wrtlprnft> guru3: has what?
00:52 <guru3> the main site is in svn
00:52 <armabot> armagetronad: guru3 * r7264 /www/mainsite/ (favicon.ico includes/header.php): favorite icon
00:52 <guru3> you can just update the repository and tell me and i'll update it on the host
00:53 <guru3> i might even just stick the updates on a cron job
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, what I'm concerned about is someone making a change that breaks it, committing it, and then it getting published
00:53 <guru3> hence why i do all the svn updates
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> so if the updates just grab the latest tag in a specific place, that's fine
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm after automated to raise the bus factor of updating the sites :)
00:54 <Lucifer_arma> but a cronjob that lists tags, sorts, and picks the last one will do :)
00:54 <guru3> ahahaha that sounds like work
00:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/cyan.ico
00:54 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/purple.ico
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> those are very nice. I can't wait until favicons can be made 32x32, though. If ever.
00:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if guru3 is hit by a bus we'll have problems with the site/domain, anyways
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> I sooo dislike small icons
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: but we can at least update the sites while we work on taking it over
00:55 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: those icons are both 32×32 and 16×16
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, favicons are just limited to 16x16, iirc
00:55 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i see the mainsite's icon now, neat :)
00:56 <guru3> yeah
00:56 <guru3> the wiki too
00:56 <guru3> i need to get flyspray and the forums to take it now too
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> purple was the buildbot, right?
00:56 <wrtlprnft> you said that :)
00:56 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/cyan.ico for aabeta maybe?
00:57 <guru3> ok flyspray has it
00:58 <guru3> forums has it too
00:58 <guru3> and that's all the ones in my control
00:59 <wrtlprnft> working on aabeta
00:59 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: about the wiki in svn...
01:00 <guru3> to be honest, all the useless parts were there and all the ones i needed i had to ssh to your box to find -_-
01:00 <guru3> the skin was the only good bit
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> that's no surprise, heh
01:00 <guru3> the tabs thing was missing
01:00 <guru3> all the includes were pointless
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> I had checked out the mediawiki extensions directory
01:00 <guru3> extensions wtf there's nothing in the directory
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I forgot to mention that part
01:01 <guru3> armasettings has a bunch of global settings mixed in with specific ones
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01:01 <Lucifer_arma> yep, those two files need serious cleaning
01:01 <guru3> it'd be great if it was just the unique ones so you could just includ armasettings in localsettings
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, the time I'd budgeted to working on the wiki got sucked up with spam protection measures
01:02 <guru3> yeah someone keep track of the spam plz :>
01:02 <wrtlprnft> jonathan already does, i rarely find something to revert
01:02 <guru3> that's awesome
01:02 <guru3> cause i'm the suckage at wikis
01:04 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7265 /support/buildbot/buildmaster/ (css/purple.ico master.cfg): Added favicon
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01:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r7266 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added a nice cyan favicon to some pages
01:04 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
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01:06 <wrtlprnft> ok, beta is updated as well
01:06 <guru3> cool
01:07 <wrtlprnft> where is the buildbot, actually?
01:08 <wrtlprnft> nvm, got it, but seems to be password protected
01:10 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/colorful.png :D
01:11 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:11 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://waterfall.davefancella.com/ <--- do you get the favicon there?
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01:13 <ghableska> #weather 50266
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> there's two interfaces to the buildbot, one that's password protected and allows users to force builds, and one that's not and doesn't
01:13 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.2°F (6:09 PM CDT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling).
01:16 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: I get a purple/pink light cycle favicon
01:25 <Lucifer_bed> cool, thanks
01:25 <Lucifer_bed> I didn't get it
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01:33 <ghableska> #tea
01:33 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): dookatee, G5, playeh 1, ¦×¥ FoFo, ¦×¥HoAX
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01:37 <ghableska> Vanhayes_opera: come to cafe :D
01:37 <Vanhayes_opera> #tea
01:37 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): dookatee, G5, ghableska, Gumby, moZilla, playeh 1, ¦Ö¦GoAX, ¦×¥ FoFo
01:37 <Vanhayes_opera> i just might
01:41 <ghableska> grr, everyone left
01:41 <ghableska> #tea
01:41 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): dookatee, ghableska
01:41 <Vanhayes_opera> did osciliscope ever use the name postage due, does anyone know?
01:42 <ghableska> no, why?
01:42 <ghableska> er *I don't know
01:46 <Vanhayes_opera> just wondering, my memory of the guy is hazy but he reminds me of him
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02:16 <guru3> wow that's annoying
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02:35 <Paco> this is where everyone hangs out huh?
02:35 <Paco> all afk
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02:37 <Paco> Hello
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02:38 <Paco> well, I'll wait till someone comes back from being afk. Have some questions about styball, maps, etc.
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02:38 <Paco> :)
02:39 <Vnahayes> ugh, my Xchat client is fucked up
02:39 <Paco> well, at least I know mine works now
02:40 <Paco> #armaservers
02:40 <armabot> Paco: disabled
02:40 <Paco> need to update that wiki lol
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02:55 <Paco> anyone not afk?
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03:15 <DrJoeTron> yo
03:18 <Your_mom_arma> hey
03:21 <Paco> hello
03:22 <Paco> maybe you can answer a question for me. :)
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: the changes to the default skin are making pages display very weird oms
03:23 <Paco> where should I define the axes because I don't see it defined in the maps within my profile like I would have assumed
03:23 <Your_mom_arma> on the wiki that is
03:24 <Paco> is that usually defined in the server configuration?
03:26 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Making_Maps_by_Hand#Axes for how to add it to a map ARENA_AXES is the console command
03:27 <Your_mom_arma> if you set the axes in the map, you won't be able to change the number of axes on the fly
03:27 <Paco> ahh
03:27 <Paco> I notice that the styball maps I've played in don't define the axes within the map
03:28 <Paco> didn't know if you could do it in the config because the wiki explains it as something within the map itself
03:29 <Paco> would think <Axes number=""> would be in the map also
03:29 <Paco> I'll try reading the beginner tutorial also
03:30 <Paco> not much info. on styball or ctf unfortunatly
03:33 <Paco> ok, so if it isn't defined, you get the default
03:33 <mkzelda> if u edit the map yourself and change the axes as something different than is defined in the map (like the example of having a diff copy of hte same map the server has) u can get some crazy results
03:34 <Paco> yeah, I was going to play around with an already made map and simply change it to test locally first
03:34 <mkzelda> in the case of changing an 8axes to 4 u can single turn for 90 degrees or if u press 2 turns fast enuf it will only go 90 degrees
03:34 <mkzelda> like the game can utilize both
03:35 <mkzelda> simultaneously
03:35 <mkzelda> and its somewhat predictable, surprisingly
03:35 <Paco> what I'm wanting to do is turn less than 90, like some of the fortress and styball servers
03:42 <Paco> I'm pretty sure the map I'm looking at is the correct map
03:42 <mkzelda> i miss the days when u could play regular fort, and other people, who werent twats would play too
03:42 <Paco> one by ed called soccersty-0.2.0.aamap
03:43 <Paco> I like the regulars who play on wild west
03:43 <Your_mom_arma> >:/
03:43 <mkzelda> i never see anyone play regular fort anymore
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: you saying I"m a twat?
03:43 <mkzelda> i havent seen u play in months, so no
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> usually regular fort games are somewhat planned these days
03:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've been off for a few weeks, busy with other shit
03:44 <mkzelda> thats a shame, cause rubber sucks
03:44 <mkzelda> only think i like playing that other ppl play is sumo but i dont want to play just sumo, i want some fort games
03:44 <mkzelda> theres people in cafe right now but they're just tking
03:44 <mkzelda> every round
03:44 <Your_mom_arma> mkzelda: last man standing?
03:45 <Vanhayes> mkzelda, you missed a pretty good 3-4 hours of full server fort a little while ago
03:45 <mkzelda> where?
03:45 <Vanhayes> cafe
03:46 <mkzelda> how long ago?!
03:46 <Paco> well, thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to find someone in game who runs a styball server to help out.
03:46 <mkzelda> i've been sittin here all day hopin for a good game
03:46 <Vanhayes> had 9 on 9 for a little while but went down to 8 on 8 and 7 on 7 etc
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03:46 <Vanhayes> hmm, about 3 or 4 hours ago I guess
03:47 <Vanhayes> started up around 6 hours ago and just kept growing until it was full server games for at least an hour
03:47 <mkzelda> i dont know how i always miss it
03:48 <Vanhayes> some nights its alot of fortress other nights its not one person in a fort server
03:49 <Vanhayes> heh, Ive been playing in shrunkland lately, partly because I wanted to see if the whole "Open vs Closed" would come up
03:49 <Vanhayes> forgot how fun it is there
03:51 <Vanhayes> oh, and people brought it up every time I was in there, so I guess it must happen alot
03:51 <mkzelda> source?
03:54 <mkzelda> i keep timing out of servers a lot lately :(
03:59 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=16261&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 is where the close/open thing came started i guess
04:00 <Vanhayes> hmm, It keeps giving me a dns error alot when I try to connect to the master server
04:04 <Vanhayes> #lastseen postage
04:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: postage due seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
04:04 <Your_mom_arma> van
04:04 <Vanhayes> hmm that isnt anyone her eis it?
04:04 <Vanhayes> Your_mom_arma, ?
04:04 <Your_mom_arma> your on windows right
04:04 <Vanhayes> yup
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> if your getting dns errors, the easy way to stop them is to open up a command prompt and enter
04:05 <Your_mom_arma> net stop dnscache
04:10 <Vanhayes> Your_mom_arma, hmm, thanks, it worked
04:16 <Vanhayes> #armaserversa
04:16 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: disabled
04:18 <Your_mom_arma> anyone up for freeciv later?
04:19 <Vanhayes> maybe
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I've sworn off freeciv until I write my own civ game
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> I've wasted too much time playing freeciv that had I spent writing my own civ game, we could play it tonight :)
04:39 <Your_mom_arma> free alpha centari?
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> the working name right now is Eugenics
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> unless you come up with a better one :)
04:54 <mkzelda> hygienics
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> I want to get rid of the map grid, allow the tech tree to grow arbitrarily large, include hardcore automation so you really do control it with a bird's eye view (rather than micromanaging, say, 600 rockets)
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> and laws
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> and some serious differences to diplomacy, where you can have different types of alliances, agreements to pass certain laws (and the treaty is cancelled if you don't pass them)
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> something that's a strategy wargame embedded in an attempted world simulation
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> so a good economic model, something that actually gets hurt by things like war and stuff
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> a better climate model (a real climate model, even if it turns out a bit simplistic)
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> and natural disasters :)
04:56 <Your_mom_arma> btw micromanaging 600(give or take) rockets has happened before in free civ for those of you not involved in that particular game
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> you really need to be able to assign a few subs to a body of water with the mission "hunt all enemies"
04:57 <Your_mom_arma> how would the laws aspect work?
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> and to station carriers and say "bomb all enemy cities"
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> two ways come to mind that are not mutually exclusive
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> every tech comes with a set of laws you can pass
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> the laws have effects, of course
04:58 <mkzelda> marijuana reform?
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> or, you can pick and choose the effects of the laws and name them yourself
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> so you could make the subsidized farm law, which costs some money and reduces food output, but increases happiness and trade
04:58 <mkzelda> u should be able to drop pot on enemy troops and make them not want to fight
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> in either case, laws will actually be passed the same way techs are researched
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. a cost is computed and assigned, and every turn a certain number of legal points are accrued toward that goal
05:00 <Your_mom_arma> so droughts and flooding would effect farming and eventually production
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I think associating laws with techs is probably the best model
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> yes
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> hurricanes could wipe out low-lying cities, volcanoes and earthquakes, etc.
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> you should be able to reduce pollution with laws and just lose some shield production
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> also, railroads won't be instantaneous transportation :)
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> with all the automation, I think it would be better to lay out more transportation upgrade options
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> so road can be upgraded to highway, but railroads have to be built from scratch rather than as a road upgrade
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> then highways can be upgraded to freeways, freeways to robotic freeways
05:01 <Your_mom_arma> purchase subways?.. oh and a Monorail!
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> railroads can be upgraded to high speed monorails, etc.
05:02 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> I want to have enough automation of units and construction that you play hands-off for most of what you currently do in freeciv
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> which should allow a lot more detail to the world, since the computer will manage the detail
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> would be a big relief in hundred unit battles where each unit has to be told where to go
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> no kidding
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> for military, I want to create armies which are just groups of units
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> then the groups can be assigned a number of missions, and a location
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> and that's pretty much it for that
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> you should be able to manage indiidual units if you want, but I"m still kinda torn on that
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> see that makes sense, putting units into groups just like in real life
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, logistics would be handled for you. When you create an army, you specify the cities that will supply it and what balance of units it'll have
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> so you'll specify infantry/artillery/engineer/cavalry composition, and total size and teh computer will figure out how to build it
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> it'll keep units rotated in so that the size you've declared is the field size, so it should keep units rotated so they can be upgraded, trained to new levels, and repaired when damaged
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's my biggest pet peeve about freeciv, actually
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> ie splitting up the 25 tanks and 30 artilleres into 4 groups, smartly setting up a defence and attacking the groups focal point automatically
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> or you can say "fortify this border" and it will compute, based on what it has, the best way to do it
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> do I build fortresses, or do I patrol? do I have enough to build fortresses? What about building fortresses at some key locations and patrolling the rest?
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> let the computer figure that out and manage it
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I like the idea of having a group of cavalry and saying "raid, pillage, and destroy"
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> and this mass of horsemen will descend on your cities, killing settlers and workers and tearing up developments
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> mabey like Globulation 2(with horrible netcode)? Putting down a marker and saying I need at least 5 defence units here, and 2 on each tile in this row
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> but never attacking cities :)
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, more detailed
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> but I will probably steal their painting squares ui for it
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> so you would paint the area and assign the mission
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> I also want to be able to click a series of cities and declare them objectives and the army would advance on each one in turn
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> don't know that I'll get it that far, because the player still has to do *some* things besides plan ;)
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, could you just make it a freeciv mod or would starting from scratch be easier
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> start from scratch, freeciv is all in c
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'll code in python, stuff should happen quickly :)
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> I figure I"ll aim for freeciv level of play first
05:11 <Lucifer_arma> with automation, of course
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> qtpy4 looked like a pita to install on windows
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> there's no point having a clone of freeciv, since for what it does, freeciv is a very nice game
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> really? Don't you just download the installer and run it?
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/Downloads/PyQt4/GPL/PyQt-gpl-4.2-Py2.5-Qt4.2.3.exe
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> you need qt4.2.3 for it
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> also, that's for python 2.5
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> if you have an older verison of python, you should upgrade to 2.5 anyway :)
05:14 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, that's not what I had found yesterday, thanks
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> np, tracking down a qt download link now
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.trolltech.com/download?target=ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.2.3-mingw.exe
05:16 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/GPLPyQtWindows <- completely wrong tutorial that I found?
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> Note: This page has become somewhat obsolete with the release of Qt 4.x under the GPL.
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> yep, that page is obsolete
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:17 <Vanhayes> what id like to see in military would be more battle tactics instead of just war, so that if you are attacking, say infantry, with infantry from the front you could flank them with calvary, so that they would either die quicker, with less damage to either of your troops, or they berak away and run, leaving your units unhurt
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: that'll happen
05:18 <Vanhayes> nice
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> but it won't happen in unit-to-unit combat, that'll still be like freeciv
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> but artillery really need more than one square range
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> think like WWI and WWII, where battles occurred over lengths of like 40 miles
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> that's the scale at which you'll be able to choose tactics
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> any smaller battles and it'll be like freeciv, essentially
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> but artillery shoudl be able to hit 2-3 squares away, it doesn't make sense that they can't
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> the whole point of artillery is that you surround them with infantry to protect them while they batter on the bad guy
05:20 <Vanhayes> ya, but with freeciv now, all you can do is throw you units at an enemy, wether they are facing you or not, or even wether they had seen you before you attack or not
05:20 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see some units be able to get an advantage ie musket units with forest training get +1 attack if attacking in forest and +3 def if defending in a forest. of course this wouldn't really be much use for tanks, or any later military units
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> also, by eliminating the grid map, I figure terrain will be much more important than it is now
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I'm very interested in skills for units so you can build specialized armies like that
05:20 <Vanhayes> if you come on an infantry unit without them knowing, form the back it should give you a huge advantage
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> not at this scale, that doesn't make sense
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> remember, a turn in the early stages of the game is 50 years
05:21 <Vanhayes> oh ya
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> if you march for 50 years to attack an infantry unit, they better not be surprised! ;)
05:21 <Vanhayes> ive been playing rome total war alot lately
05:22 <Vanhayes> i forgot civ is 50 year turns
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> the turns also change in size, so the latter turns are only 1 year
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> the original civ even dropped to quarter year turns, iirc
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: did you get pyqt4 installed?
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05:59 <Your_mom_arma> almost, have to install the other exe
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> when you're ready to try acme, you'll probably need to rename the top-level file "acme" to "acme.py"
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> then you *should* be able to just click on it and it'll run
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> (assuming you've still got working subversion, of course)
06:01 <Your_mom_arma> they throttled that 50mb download to a 28kb upstream, took forever to download
06:01 <mkzelda> lol i just played speeders a while for fucks sake, and they told me to stop speeding
06:02 <mkzelda> "its lame"
06:03 <Vanhayes> there is such a thing a speeding in tron?
06:03 <mkzelda> i never play high rubber and i was murdering ppl, some guy "trapped" me in a box 1/2 the grid and called me a camper for waiting till the trail faded, and then when i was trying to kill him was when he told me to "stop speeding, its lame" ... i got kick/banned
06:03 <Your_mom_arma> The application has failed to start because mingwm10.dll was not found. Reinstalling the application may fix the problem
06:04 <mkzelda> haha, i dont know how i ever played that style of play
06:04 <mkzelda> but i know why i left it
06:04 <mkzelda> unfortunatly the top 5 populated servers atm are all highspeed high rubber
06:04 <mkzelda> 70 rubber o.O
06:05 <akira__> ...
06:05 <Vanhayes> ya, they seem to fill up later at night
06:05 <akira__> 70 displayed at gauge?
06:06 <Vanhayes> I had a nice game of roulette a little while ago in shrunkland
06:06 <Vanhayes> havent played that in a long time
06:06 <mkzelda> me either
06:06 <mkzelda> ya 70 displayed at hte guage
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: haha, that kinda sucks
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> lemme dig up a link to that dll
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mail-archive.com/pyqt@riverbankcomputing.com/msg10708.html <--- here's the asnwer
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> you might need mingw installed for that link to have the answer
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread592402.html <--- here's a better answer, but change c:\qt\4.2.2 to c:\qt\4.2.3
06:13 <Your_mom_arma> what do they mean path?
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, winxp?
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> yes
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000549.htm
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> when acme gets bundled up for general use, you won't have to do all this crap to install it, it'll just install like any other program
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> you only need to do this crap because you're using the svn version ;)
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06:22 <Your_mom_arma> it looks like every things working, the tiles look bad when I zoom out, but that's no big deal
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> exporting an imported map outputs a blank file
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> that's no surprise, the map editor doesn't save
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> the generic resource editor does, so you can theoretically edit cockpit files and other arbitrary resources with them
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> so this program works without changes on mac os x and windows?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> (at least, nemo didn't say he had to change anything for it to run in mac os x)
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> appears so
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> no way to edit maps with it yet?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, not yet
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I got bored working on the map editor itself and wanted to work on the application
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I'll get back to the editor after I get the stuff on the application I wanted
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> right now I'm on my budget program, though
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'm literally shitting code right now, like the God of Python came along and touched my shoulder
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> the zoom in/out is really chinsey, scrolling up zooms in one second and out another
06:29 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> with any luck I'll have my budget proram switched out to use sqlite pretty quick
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> and if acme is having such luck running on other platforms unmodified, that means most of my qt-based programs will
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> since I just copy one paths module among all the other programs :)
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> wiki responding for you guys?
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it is just loading slowly
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> slow dns lookups, fast downloads
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=The_Basics
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> the skins messed up, the index is smack in the middle of the page oms
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> the skin got reverted to the old default skin that I made back in the day, still waiting for wrtlprnft and guru3 to get the new skin in there (updated to match artemis)
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> (and to work better on browsers with bad png support)
06:41 <GodTodd> hrmmm...pyqt designer...does it work kinda like the netbeans gui designer (ie you place shit where you want it on the ui then switch to code view to actually do shit)?
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> screenshot http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=177941#177941
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> anyone know of a better app(for windows) to checkout svn then tortoisesvn, its very bulky
06:51 * GodTodd always preferred tortoise personally
06:51 <GodTodd> how do you mean it's bulky?
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> if I right click there's a couple of tortoisesvn prompts, which annoys me
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> couldn't find a way to get rid of them
06:54 <GodTodd> it should just integrate into explorer
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: no, it doesn't work that way. It's visual like you want it, but there's no code editor (they took that out)
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> also, you have to learn about layouts, because it doesn't put shit where you put it in designer, you need layouts to resize properly
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> it's not hard to do layouts, just press ctrl, then click each widget you want to put in a layout, then click the appropriate layout button on the toolbar
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> acme only uses one file from designer, the rest is hand coded
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> even that one file is almost useless for what it does and could easily be removed
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> my budget program, otoh, uses a lot of designer files
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: on my soon-to-be-retired windows machine, I just use the subversion command line app
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> but you need to be familiar with the console to do that. :)
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> add the path to svn to your path variable (which you just learned how to do), then you can use all the linux svn instructions when you see them
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> you could also use the shell provided by cygwin or msys and the svn clients provided by them
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07:08 <MrBougo> hello
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> high
07:13 <MrBougo> heh, it's like midnight in the US right?
07:15 <MrBougo> i've found some 512 MB SDRAM on the garbage can
07:15 <MrBougo> can you use DDR and SDR at the same time on the same motherboard?
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
07:17 <MrBougo> :p
07:17 <Your_mom_arma> -we need a customizable hud -heh we have one - I don't get it
07:18 <MrBougo> i've just discovered addiction to music
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: was there ever any conclusion about being able to add image support to the hud?
07:19 <MrBougo> how do you get your own HUD btw? do you need to hack the source or mod some file?
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> MrBougo: pretty much the same way you make a map file
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07:20 <Bougo> huuh?
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07:20 <Your_mom_arma> check the wiki
07:21 <MrBougo> what was my quit msg?
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> <-- MrBougo has left this server (Nick collision from services.).
07:22 <MrBougo> oh shit, right
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> MrBougo left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).
07:22 <MrBougo> i made it disconnect
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> SELECT * FROM accounttree WHERE parent='None'
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with that query?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> (it has been soooo long since I've written any sql)
07:27 <mkzelda> tablename need ""?
07:29 <mkzelda> null instead of none?
07:29 <mkzelda> er, isnull
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, tablename doesn't need that
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's sqlite
07:30 <mkzelda> is none a real value?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a real string
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'll change it to detect None and replace it with NULL
07:32 <mkzelda> is parent a string?
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> that made it work, apparently
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> yes, parent is a string
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> so if it had None, it should still match the string, right?
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I still have to write the recursive part, heh
07:33 <mkzelda> define 'it'
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> it = sqlite
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> [00:33] <Lucifer_arma> it's sqlite <--- ;)
07:34 <mkzelda> right, but im confused about that question
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I get it
07:34 <mkzelda> if the value of parent is none, that should match
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's python, where None is NULL is nil etc
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so it stores an actual None in the database if you give it a None value
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> but if you give it NULL, it stores:
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> u'NULL',
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> a unicode string
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> but it doesn't store None as a unicode string!
07:35 <mkzelda> heh
07:35 <mkzelda> good stuff
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> but when you try to retrieve the None, it searches for it as the unicode string u'None'
07:35 <mkzelda> lol
07:36 <mkzelda> i havent touched python ever, just looked a bit of portage and thats it
07:36 * Lucifer_arma is starting to remember why he hates programming with sql
07:36 <MrBougo> xD
07:36 <mkzelda> i took an oracle class in college, that was one tough class
07:36 <MrBougo> and now i'm starting to know why i should never try to use sql
07:36 <mkzelda> it was tough just running oracle on my computer
07:36 <mkzelda> all the directions were for windows
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> sql itself isn't a problem, really, it's the fact that every implementation is a half-assed cranky implementation of the standard with a bunch of vendor-specific extensions
07:37 <mkzelda> i use mysql for everything now, after oracle crashed and killed the hd with it
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> queries that work for access break for ms sql server, which is weird enough, but neither of them work in mysql
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> and mysql queries for the most part break in postgresql
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I wish sqlite returned a dictionary for each row instead of a tuple
07:38 <mkzelda> oracle is quite possibly the most difficult thing ive ever installed
07:38 <mkzelda> its sooooo picky/bitchy
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I never tried, but I have a 7 CD set from a couple of years ago
07:38 <mkzelda> every version is different
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even remember how I got it, I think they were handing them out for free from their website
07:38 <mkzelda> even like x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x1
07:38 <mkzelda> version difference
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> I vaguely remember a followup call from a salesguy, and I told him I was just freeloadig for oracle copies :)
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> never isntalled it
07:39 <mkzelda> i found some gentoo oracle wiki and i had a version x.x.x.x.x+1 different and everything looked and operated different
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> these days I'm used to mysql, but that's not saying much. It's been 2 years at least since I've done any serious db programming
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, this budget program won't write itself!
07:40 <mkzelda> i havent written a lot, just fix a lot or use it to mass edit tables
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> theoretically, I only have to switch out the database layer to sqlite, then do some minor tweaks in the register, and it should work
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I never had to administer any serious databases either, just whatever crap I ran on my own server
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> supposed to be big money in db admin, but I just can't see me liking that job
07:41 <mkzelda> thats where i am
07:41 <mkzelda> ya, i can see myself breaking a db
07:41 <mkzelda> surprised i havent done it to my own yet
07:41 * mkzelda finds some wood to knock on
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm amazed at how little damage I've done to my own databases, but on contract I always require a test database
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I try my damnedest to refuse to touch a production database
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "here's what needs to be done, get your expert to do it"
07:42 <mkzelda> i always backup and send those backups to 2 or 3 places b4 i start
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "can't you do it?"
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "liability!"
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I live on the edge on my databases
07:43 <mkzelda> hehe
07:43 <mkzelda> ive been selling webhosting+webdesign to small businesses so i try my best to backup everything often
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> yay, the recursion works
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> hey, if you've got clients that need custom programming, send 'em my way
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'm available for it
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> php and python
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> presumably you're selling in linux environments ;)
07:46 <mkzelda> i've been using drupal for most everything
07:46 <mkzelda> and im selling hours of training to give them a login to edit their own content
07:46 <mkzelda> which is not the standard approach
07:46 <mkzelda> most make ppl pay for every edit
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> custom drupal modules
07:46 <mkzelda> but i'd much rather sell my time to 'teach a man to fish' so i can move on to more clients
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have to tell them I haven't written any yet ;)
07:47 <mkzelda> if nothing else i'll contract you and pay you for your time and mention nothing of it ot them
07:47 <mkzelda> if i hit that need
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> fine with me, if you need it
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not looking for full-blown run-a-business work, just extra cash
07:47 <mkzelda> my biggest problem has been custom graphic work, im selling 'identity packages' too
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> reliable enough for you, not reliable enough for general soliciting
07:48 <mkzelda> yea
07:48 <mkzelda> thats all im looking for out of help
07:48 <mkzelda> :D
07:48 <mkzelda> i cant put someone on payroll, just myself, and i pay help out-of-pocket
07:49 <mkzelda> i do custom logos so they can use a logo on their letterhead, envelopes, mailing labels, business cards, mass email deployment
07:49 <mkzelda> right now ive hit a snag cause the ncsu school of design grad i got to do the logos keeps saying "ya, ill have it by *day" and then that day passes and nothing
07:49 <mkzelda> here i am a month later
07:49 <mkzelda> and that company is unhappy w/ the designs ive made but like the rough draft he's made
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> hit up lack or edd
07:50 <mkzelda> k
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> no promises, but they do Quality work
07:50 <mkzelda> ill try them on future projects, definatly not going to this guy again
07:50 <mkzelda> too good a friend to get disappointed over shitty business ventures w/
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> man, I just realized the scope of what I'm having to do to switch out to sqlite
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> reading through the Account object, I have to rewrite the whole damn thing
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I keep seeing underpinnings of a relational db design to the object that I kept having to suppress originally
07:54 * Lucifer_arma is irritated he didn't just do this before
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> there's basically 15-20 hours of work I'm throwing away that could have been better spent
07:54 <mkzelda> switching to sqlite from?
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> custom system
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I stored transactions in a single text file, and accounts, and used the filesystem to organize everything
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> the performance gains I got were in operations like reparenting accounts
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, the performance losses I gave for that were in operations like listing accounts, scanning transactions to compute balances, etc.
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the stuff that really freaking matter
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> depending on what sqlite supports, I might be able to offload the bulk of that work to the database
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> if I can, then when it moves to mysql/postgresql, I should get even better performance gains
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm basically kicking myself for making a bad system when there are perfectly good systems available
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> at least I still haven't made the Really Dumb Mistake of thinking an accounting database should be stored as xml
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's "transactions in a single text file *each*"
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, my system was very easily extensible, if I realized I needed new fields later
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> I can still use some of it, like the logging, by rearranging how I'm storing the database
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> I can even put accounts in a separate database from transactions, but then I can't offload balance computations to the database engine
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08:01 * Lucifer_arma goes to check sqlite's built-in functions
08:03 <mkzelda> good luck with that
08:03 * mkzelda goes to bed
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you fall in a hole?
08:05 <GodTodd> nope
08:05 <GodTodd> why?
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> curious. last time you were talking you were asking about designer, did you get curious enough to fuck with it?
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08:06 <GodTodd> thinking about it....also was reading a tutorial on pyqt app development
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> was it for pyqt4? it matters because pyqt4 is a lot of ways different...
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> (ie you might have more luck reading acme code directly)
08:07 <GodTodd> i believe so...let me check again...
08:13 <GodTodd> bah...nope...it appears it's from the 2.x to 3.x changeover :/
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08:15 <GodTodd> this one, however, is 4: http://www.rkblog.rk.edu.pl/w/p/introduction-pyqt4/
08:15 <paz> hiya
08:15 <paz> nvm g2g cya later
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08:18 <GodTodd> dunno that i'll have a whole lot of time to study my programming this summer tho :/
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> probably not ;)
08:20 <GodTodd> calc class starts on wednesday and i have tommy signed up for a bunch of summer activities
08:21 <GodTodd> (idle hands are the christian's playthings, after all) ;)
08:21 <GodTodd> heh
08:24 <GodTodd> ohhhh, i think i see....you create the gui windows with designer then in your .py file you import and use the files they're stored in....
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> you create the gui elements with designer (which don't have to be windows)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> then you have two choices
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> run pyuic4 on the .ui file and it makes a .py file you can import
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> or do what I do.
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> mport the uic module from PyQt4 and have it load the .ui file directly at runtime and convert it to a python type
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> that way, no build system is needed to handle the .ui files, and you can skip the build step when you edit the .ui files
08:27 <GodTodd> yeah this tutorial is showing the pyuic4 to .py file way
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> got that from someone in #qt actually ;)
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> your code is identical either way, in the derived class anyway
08:27 <GodTodd> just different import statement?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference in code is that you import uic instead, and then add one more line to create the type object
08:28 <GodTodd> so like...from PyQt4 import QtCore, QtGui would become: from PyQt4 import uic?
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> no, you still need the QtCore and QtGui
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> here, do this:
08:29 <GodTodd> just add the uic to the list then?
08:29 <GodTodd> heh
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/tools/acme/trunk acme
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08:29 <Lucifer_arma> then open libacmegui/mainqt.py and read it :)
08:30 <vinavil> favicons update :)
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> look at the top couple of lines with the imports, then scroll down to where MainWindow is defined and read that
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> at least the first few lines of __init__ anyway, and look at how the type object created above is used below to inherit the uic class
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> aw man, I have to rewrite my accounts model :(
08:35 * vinavil wonders who is lucifer talking with
08:35 * Lucifer_arma really gets irritated when people walk into the middle of a conversation and start saying stupid shit
08:36 <GodTodd> hrmm...how would i run it to reference the runnable while looking at the code?
08:36 * vinavil gives lucifer a tea
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> install PyQt4 and run it :)
08:36 <GodTodd> i should have PyQt4
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> then just do "./acme"
08:37 <GodTodd> i did
08:37 <GodTodd> it borked
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> and?
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> error message?
08:37 <GodTodd> ImportError: No module named PyQt4 is the last line of it
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> then you don't have pyqt4
08:38 <GodTodd> Error: This version of PyQt requires SIP v4.6.0 or later
08:38 <GodTodd> how do i get sip 4.6?
08:38 <GodTodd> i have 4.5
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> how are you installing it?
08:39 <GodTodd> i extracted the tarball
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> I ask because I just installed pyqt4 from ubuntu's repositories in the back without any trouble
08:39 <GodTodd> and running configure.py
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, check synaptic for an update?
08:39 <GodTodd> k...sec
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> I did some serious work on acme under feisty using packages installed from synaptic
08:40 <GodTodd> for the sip pack or for pyqt?
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> both
08:40 <GodTodd> k
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> you need both, there's a library pyqt4 links to that's in sip
08:41 <GodTodd> thing is...i just tonight did apt-get install python-sip4-dev
08:41 <GodTodd> and 4.5 is what it gave me
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> ummmm, where's the "update my local cache" button?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> what version of pyqt4 does it list?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't matter if it wants sip 4.5 as long as you get pyqt4 linked to qt 4.2
08:44 <GodTodd> synaptic is taking forever to come up
08:44 <GodTodd> :/
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> but it has to be qt4.2, because I used stuff that's not in qt4.1
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> and pyqt has to be a certain minimum version to use that stuff too, but if you get the same thing I got, you should be fine
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> also, try just doing a search for "qt" and manually reading the listings, the package probably isn't called pyqt4
08:45 <GodTodd> it's got PyQt4.1
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> it's something else, but I don't remember what. I just remember having to do slightly funky stuff to find it
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> what qt does it have?
08:45 <GodTodd> searching
08:47 <GodTodd> my god this stuff takes forever since i've started using kde
08:47 <GodTodd> heh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:49 <GodTodd> ok...which qt entry are we interested in?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> just about any, hang on
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> bringing up synaptic myself to see what I've got
08:50 <GodTodd> looks like they are all either 4.2.3 or 4.3.0 beta
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> anything that says "libqt4"
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> don't use the beta yet, even though it's fucking awesome
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> not for this, anyway :)
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> you should be fine ot install the pyqt4 that you found in synaptic and use it
08:51 <GodTodd> just select anything that says pyqt4 then?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> grr, hang on a sec, lemme reopen synaptic and find it for you :)
08:51 <GodTodd> heh
08:52 <GodTodd> there's just a lot of choices :/
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> python-qt4
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> python-qt4 <--- all
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> there are others, like gl and sql
08:52 <GodTodd> heh...that one says 4.1...does that matter?
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't install them all, you get import problems
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't matter. Pyqt's version numbers are independent of qt's
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's why I'm focusing on qt's version number and ignoring pyqt's :)
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> man, feisty is restoring my love of linux
08:54 <GodTodd> ahh
08:54 <GodTodd> yeah...feisty is pretty cool
08:54 <GodTodd> :)
08:55 <GodTodd> october they'll release gutsy gibbon
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> they could have less annoying codenames, if you ask me
08:56 <GodTodd> heh...true...they come from the "big man" tho
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> so, should an Account object be able to query the database?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> if so, I need to give it a reference to the connection
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think so, it always could before I switched to sqlite
08:57 <GodTodd> i would say yes
08:58 <GodTodd> hrmm...i need to go sell some books tomorrow
08:59 <GodTodd> and spend like 500 dollars on a calc book :/
08:59 <GodTodd> heh
08:59 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *your_mom* I didn't change the skin that happens to be default right now…
08:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:59 <wrtlprnft> guru3: can you make the monobook skin the default?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> eek
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> $500 for a calc book? mine wasn't that bad
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> $250, irrc
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> iirc*
09:00 <GodTodd> yeah...it's hyperbole
09:00 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *your_mom* IIRC lucifer changed the armagetronad skin, but it doesn't really work well anymore with new versions of mediawiki
09:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:00 <GodTodd> 250? is that for the 3 in 1?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it was a dumb question. The purpose of the Account object is to represent an account *in the database*
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it ws the 3 in 1, but it might not be the same book you'll be buying
09:01 <GodTodd> true
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> but I took 3 semesters of calc before I had to buy a new calc book :)
09:01 <GodTodd> i won't know my options really till i get there
09:01 <GodTodd> :)
09:02 <GodTodd> i never buy books at the school bookstore tho
09:03 <GodTodd> aha! ./acme works now :)
09:04 * GodTodd is a visual learner...can't just look at code with no example ;)
09:09 <GodTodd> yeah...looks like the same book for calc 1 and 2
09:09 <GodTodd> approx . $150 it looks like
09:09 <GodTodd> nice :)
09:10 <GodTodd> CCCC MATH 2413 1S2 R CALC EARLY TRANS & CALC REVW PT 1&2 & MML, THOMAS, PEARSON $154.65 $116.00 149
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> different book than mine
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> mine's some book by Stewart
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09:13 <philippeqc> morning
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> morning
09:15 <philippeqc> lets see about commiting zone-v2 to the trunk now
09:17 <philippeqc> wow, I dont have rights to commit new files into resource/proto/philippeqc
09:19 <GodTodd> same book listed for calc 2 so that's good
09:19 <GodTodd> should only need the one for the whole summer
09:22 <GodTodd> Ui_acmeMain, throwmeaway = uic.loadUiType( paths.JoinPaths( paths.GetPath('ui'), 'main.ui') ) <--- is that where it does the conversion?
09:22 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7267 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/map-0.3.1-a.dtd: Moved the shapes development into the trunk
09:23 <philippeqc> Lucifer_arma: I get a 403 when I try to commit new files!
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> yep, that's where the ui file is loaded
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: do "svn info" and paste the svn url here
09:25 <philippeqc> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> there's the rub, the url changes
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> do svn switch to the new url
09:25 <philippeqc> seems I have write priviledge, but not create
09:25 <philippeqc> new url?
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, your checkout is pretty damn old, philippeqc (hi there!)
09:25 <philippeqc> o
09:26 <philippeqc> yes it is
09:26 <philippeqc> switch complains that "new url" is not the same as "old url"
09:27 <philippeqc> not the same repo
09:30 <philippeqc> --relocate it seems
09:37 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7268 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (23 files in 5 dirs): Moved the shapes development into the trunk (3rd attempt, now on the new location)
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, adapting the account model to the new account structure was somewhat painless
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> easier if I hadn't been so damn sleepy
09:58 <GodTodd> heh
09:58 <philippeqc> well, overall the merge works better than expected
09:59 <philippeqc> accounting type of model?
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: can we get email addresses from the bugtracker and wiki updated sometime? They're still showing davefancella.com emails
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: yeah, it's a home accounting program
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> I'm switching out from my custom database to sqlite
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> trying to remember what fields the ledger needs
10:02 <philippeqc> nice
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> does a date in a ledger need timestamp accuracy, or is month/day/year good enough?
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> I think I already answered that originally when I decided to make it month/day/year
10:39 <vinavil> why do you americans count the month before the day?
10:42 <wrtlprnft> to confuse other people.
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> because it makes the most sense
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> most of the time when you read the date, the month is more important than the day
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> why do you europeans insist on inflicting order over practicality in all forms of measurement and notation?
10:45 <vinavil> interesting, but the way 12/12/xxxx should be confusing. we are order maniacs hehe
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> that means the same thing in both notations :)
10:46 <vinavil> lol, i meant 11/12....
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's only confusing if you're really used to reading one notation and seeing the other, or if you're unaware what form you're reading
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I can read your notation just fine as long as I *know* what I'm reading is in that notation
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem I have is that nobody bothers to state which notation they're using
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> that would clear up most of the confusion, I think
10:48 <vinavil> true
10:49 <wrtlprnft> usually if someone asks for the date I only say the day and that's sufficient because everyone knows the month and year
10:49 <wrtlprnft> if i just said the month they wouldn't be helped
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> I usually tell them the day of the week :)
10:50 <wrtlprnft> that they know as well
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> "What day is it?" "Friday" "No, I mean what day is it?"
10:50 <vinavil> anyway, about month more important than day, i think this is related to "life time speed" too
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> a lot of it depends on context, to be honest
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> in a ledger, which is the context I was speaking earlier, I find the month is usually more important than the day when I'm reading entries
10:51 <vinavil> i imagine americans life consistently faster
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> and when you have a bunch of entries where the month and year are the same, the day stands out clearly no matter what order you've written the date
10:51 <vinavil> but that is surely only an impression
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, we are the country that's pumping our kids up with ritalin to boost their performance
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we don't stop at steroids, we gotta go for the mind drugs
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> you just wait until some fundie figures out a drug that increases faith
10:53 <vinavil> indeed, i purpose a year of relaxing time for all americans ;)
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> in wrtlprnft's example, the context contains an assumed shared knowledge of both year and month, so it would be useless to provide either of those
10:54 <vinavil> the problem would be the increasing of the debth
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> why? isn't the 40+ hours a week we spend watching tv relaxing enough?
10:54 <vinavil> oh, yes, i got the useness of it :)
10:54 <vinavil> 40+ hours O_o
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> you know, letting media conglomerates pour the thoughts they want us to have into us so we don't have to think for ourselves?
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be surprised how much tv watching people do around here.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> at least, I hope you'll be surprised. I like to think there are places in the world where people still know the color of the sky
10:55 <vinavil> wtf, go to the wood people!
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> the real color, not the color that some director wanted
10:56 <vinavil> luci, come here, we'll spend some weeks in my wood :)
10:56 <vinavil> then you'll spread the truth around US! the wood exists!
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I live in a forest, but nobody seems to see the trees
10:57 <vinavil> aw
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> granted, its a lot thinner than it was before they built this city
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> I figure we're down to only 3 types of americans now, sadly
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> the neo-hippies (a label I just learned the other day), the couch potatoes, and luke-jr's friends
10:59 <vinavil> luke-jr's friends, LOL!
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> gj philippeqc (hi there!) , your merge built
11:00 * Lucifer_arma loves the buildbot
11:00 <philippeqc> yes, I've seen that
11:00 <philippeqc> but zone dont update properly
11:00 <philippeqc> but thanks for checking
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://waterfall.davefancella.com/ <--- I just loaded a web page
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I quit working on my budget program because that build kicked off, and it slows my laptop (no complaints though, I like the buildbot)
11:01 <vinavil> i thought to do a deb package of arma 0.2.8.2, should it be useful? should i wait for 0.2.8.3?
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> it would be useful
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> especially since we could apply it to 0.2.8.3, and hopefully ubuntu
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> and mepis
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, if you're serious, you should checkout the build module and work on adding it to that
11:03 * vinavil wonders if he finally found a way to help AA community
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you did :)
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> ubuntu packages are one of the top requested packages around here
11:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: thanks for a link to the buildbot site
11:03 <wrtlprnft> couldn't find it yesterday
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> and since k left, there's been nobody to maintain them
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: np. Did you get the favicon?
11:04 <vinavil> ok, so give me all info i need, suggestions, bla bla, then i'll start
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> also, there's http://buildbot.davefancella.com/ that needs a password
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, first get the build module
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> look at the old debian stuff in there and try it
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> follow the instructions on the wiki for building, satisfying dependencies and stuff, of course
11:05 <vinavil> hm
11:05 <vinavil> 404
11:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yeah
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> oops
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/build
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> I always forget the svnroot
11:06 <vinavil> heh
11:07 <vinavil> i hate this machine
11:08 <GodTodd> hrmm...is there a way to get rid of a border on a frame object in qtdesigner?
11:08 <Lucifer_arma> yes
11:09 <GodTodd> there we go
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> which widget?
11:09 <GodTodd> got it :)
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> ah, you found it
11:10 <GodTodd> i'm doing a tabbed widget
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> just random shit, or are you working on a program?
11:11 <GodTodd> well...i think i'ma do two ported versions of my wife's recipe program
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> ah
11:12 <GodTodd> one in java (for further learning) and one in python (for more learning)
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> I might be interested in the pyqt port of that
11:12 <GodTodd> :)
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> hey, if you want an svn repo for your stuff, I can let you use mine
11:12 <GodTodd> it's a program that we give to friends and family because they like it :)
11:12 <GodTodd> but vb is evil
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> ack, it's in vb?
11:13 <GodTodd> the original is, yes
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> wtf was she thinking?
11:13 <GodTodd> dunno...i'll have to ask her tho
11:13 <GodTodd> heh
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> I thought she never did any drugs!
11:13 <Lucifer_arma> funny, she never struck me as being psycho
11:14 <GodTodd> haha
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm done with the vb cracks, which is obviously what she was smoking
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> definitely interested in the pyqt port if you get it going, but not the java port :)
11:15 <GodTodd> that's another thing...something that i'm improving over the original is resizing the contents upon maximizing the window...in netbeans designer you just bind the object to the parent frame and it does it automatically...how do you do that in qtdesigner?
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> layouts
11:15 <DrJoeTron> shit need to renew my domain that i never use but might use
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> you have two choices, horizontal or vertical
11:15 <GodTodd> right
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's a gridlayout, but I never use it
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> so you use different combinations of horizontal and vertical to create the whole thing
11:16 <GodTodd> hmmm
11:16 <GodTodd> ok
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> so you setup a line of widgets next to each other that you want next to each other
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> ctrl-click each one
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> then on the toolbar there's a little icon with several white squares side by side, and the tooltip will tell all
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> click that and they'll all get put in a layout together
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> same with vertical
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> then you put those layouts in another layout to set them up
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> finally, you click somewhere in the top QWidget (or QMainWindow) and just click one of the layouts and it'll finish the job
11:17 <GodTodd> hmmm
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> one of the layout buttons on the toolbar, that is
11:18 <GodTodd> what's the difference between just horizontal/vertical and horizontal/vertical in splitter?
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> the splitter gives you two panes that can be resized
11:18 <GodTodd> ahhh
11:18 <GodTodd> ok
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> using the splitter widget in the midle :)
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> splitter also supports collapsing a pane, which is pretty neat
11:19 <vinavil> /debian/?
11:19 <GodTodd> ok...don't need that for this...but might go on my "fuck with" list :)
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so when the user makes it small enough that it's useless, you can just have it collapse :)
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> splitters rule
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> vinavil: that's where I would look
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> vinavil: it's likely to have a fair amount of rot in it, since the last debian package built from there was an early 0.2.8 beta
11:20 <vinavil> hm
11:20 <GodTodd> qtdesigner isn't really all that different from netbeans designer...except for the parent pane binding so far
11:20 <GodTodd> heh
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> most of the rad gui builders are the same :)
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> except wxGlade is really sucky
11:21 <GodTodd> and the fact that it opens 10000000000000000000 windows separately
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> but that might be because wxglade is pretty sucky
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, you can change that
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> Edit->User INterface Mode
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like having those 100000000000000000000 windows either
11:22 <GodTodd> aha! now that's what i like :)
11:23 <GodTodd> now it looks a *lot* like netbeans
11:23 * Lucifer_arma mutters something about how they all look the same
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I was surprised at how much like Delphi's builder it looked
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> not that I ever used Delphi...
11:24 <GodTodd> well...i never got interested enough in eclipse to see if it has the same sort of thing and if it looks the same so... :)
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> man, I love my stupid text editor
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> even though it's nearly crippled right now, and I have to use kwrite to do search and replace
11:25 <GodTodd> heh
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> (which reminds me, I need to finish implementing search and replace)
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> also, what makes more sense as a shortcut combination?
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> ctrl-z undo, shift-ctrl-z redo or ctrl-z undo, ctrl-y redo
11:26 <GodTodd> i always remember ctrl-z/y
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't, and it really irritates me because that's what qscintilla expects
11:27 <GodTodd> imo fewer keystrokes == better
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> so when I go to redo, I hit shift-ctrl-z and get some bullshit character that kills my redo
11:27 <GodTodd> heh
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but when I'm undoing, I'm usually going pretty quickly and overshoot the mark, and adding one more key to what I'm already pressing is easiest
11:28 <GodTodd> true
11:28 <GodTodd> i would say do whatever you prefer because people can relearn strokes if they have to :)
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> it's on my list. My text editor is my most neglected program right now, which is hard to say since my alarm clock still uses qt3
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> when I go to deal with the undo/redo problem, I'm going to lay in the foundation for a lot more shortcuts
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> text editor should be usable without a mouse, imo
11:30 <GodTodd> yep
11:51 <GodTodd> ctrl-click should let me select groups of objects, no?
12:02 <Lucifer_bed> yes
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> if you're having trouble selectig an object, like a specific layout, and just clicking an object inside the layout isn't doing it for you, you can use the tree of widgets toolbox and select them there
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> I use that a lot to select groups of widgets
12:08 <GodTodd> it's not letting me do that tho
12:08 <GodTodd> and i'm just not getting this layout thing, i think
12:08 <GodTodd> heh
12:08 <GodTodd> whatever layout i choose borks the widget
12:10 <GodTodd> and the "across lines" being vertical layout and the "up/down" lines being horizontal layout keeps confusing me
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12:40 <GodTodd> well...it looks snazzy now...if i can figure out how to resize the damn thing heh
12:40 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: fixed the skin back to monobook
12:40 <guru3> where are the email addresses in question?
12:41 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: coming here? :D
12:46 <guru3> or it should be changed but it's ignoring me for some reason
12:48 <guru3> now it's changed
13:01 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: ?
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13:06 <epsy> hi
13:07 <philippeqc> hi
13:07 <philippeqc> anyone else getting like a gazzilion compile warning on PACKAGE_NAME, PACKAGE_TARNAME, PACKAGE_VERSION and such because of ruby?
13:11 <epsy> gazzilion ?
13:12 <philippeqc> I've stopped counting at about a gigy-trillion
13:12 <philippeqc> elevention might be closer
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7269 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zShape.cpp zShape.hpp zZone.cpp): Fixed zones that went crazy on update
13:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: that should fix the shape update
13:14 <philippeqc> i was able to play sty ball and CTF
13:15 <philippeqc> note that it is in trunk
13:15 <philippeqc> I'll check the "zone explode rather than collapse" now
13:15 <philippeqc> could you have a look for the bugs you've noted?
13:18 <wrtlprnft> sure.
13:19 <philippeqc> thanks
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13:31 <wrtlprnft> they still expand sometimes
13:31 <wrtlprnft> and sometimes they rotate, sometimes they don't
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13:33 <wrtlprnft> and they rotate in the other direction, sometimes
13:33 <wrtlprnft> looks weird :D
13:34 <philippeqc> still expand randomly?
13:34 <philippeqc> how could I observe that phenomen?
13:35 <wrtlprnft> play on CTWF
13:38 <philippeqc> one instant. I'm about to check for exploding zones
13:38 <philippeqc> ok, works
13:39 <philippeqc> going to ctwf
13:40 <wrtlprnft> i see you're online, but it's full.
13:40 <philippeqc> darn, missed some update
13:40 <philippeqc> cant see a thing
13:41 <philippeqc> I dont think I have implemented rotation
13:41 <philippeqc> i have some issue about it
13:42 <philippeqc> like if you conquer a square fortress, should the shape turn faster and faster, or the texture be animated to do so
13:43 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7270 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zShape.cpp zShape.hpp): Shapes no longer explode after collapsing
13:44 <philippeqc> I'm online now
13:44 <philippeqc> of ctwf
13:45 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zShape.cpp: In member function 'void zShape::setCreatedTime(REAL)':
13:45 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tron/zone/zShape.cpp:86: warning: statement has no effect
13:45 <wrtlprnft> just in case you didn't read it
13:47 <philippeqc> o ty
13:47 <philippeqc> I have way too many warning because of ruby
13:47 <philippeqc> fixed
13:48 <wrtlprnft> compile with --disable-ruby
13:48 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: to italy :)
13:48 <philippeqc> things happen too fast on ctwf to observe details
13:49 <vinavil> i saw the avatar and flag
13:49 <wrtlprnft> :)
13:49 <vinavil> so, where you go?
13:49 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: --record is your friend
13:49 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with maps.google
13:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:19:53] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=rimini,+italy&ie=UTF8&ll=44.037716,12.616526&spn=0.002545,0.005021&t=h&z=18&om=1
13:50 <wrtlprnft> there.
13:50 <vinavil> oh, rimini. i live in bologna :)
13:50 <wrtlprnft> :D
13:52 <vinavil> if you pass here say something i'll cook you some pasta ;)
13:52 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7271 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/zShape.cpp: Fixed type and beautified code
13:53 <wrtlprnft> we're already going to arrive quite late
13:54 <wrtlprnft> thenks for the offer, though
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13:54 <vinavil> you are welcome
14:00 <philippeqc> new vacation goal: Go and eat pasta to as many AA player as possible
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14:05 <vinavil> LOL!
14:07 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: can i write in the wiki the ip of the server?
14:07 <wrtlprnft> sure
14:07 <wrtlprnft> it's public
14:07 <vinavil> oki
14:08 <wrtlprnft> you can use wrtlprnft.servegame.org as hostname if you like, it resolves to that IP
14:08 <vinavil> yea, better
14:09 <philippeqc> found another minor thing on the way: new version ignore old zone descriptions
14:10 <wrtlprnft> the really old win/deathzones?
14:10 <vinavil> wiki's graphic disappeared
14:11 <wrtlprnft> ?
14:11 <vinavil> lost in tranfert?
14:11 <vinavil> there is no template
14:11 <guru3> yes there is, it's just very simple
14:11 <vinavil> oh, ok
14:12 <vinavil> i like it ;)
14:12 <vinavil> well, my machine like it more :)
14:13 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: no, even the fortress format
14:13 <philippeqc> if you feed an old map to a new server/client, it ignores them
14:13 <philippeqc> people might find that a bit of an annoyance
14:13 <wrtlprnft> it's always been like that since you started implementing zonesv2
14:14 <philippeqc> o
14:14 <philippeqc> what syntax work then?
14:14 <philippeqc> do people complain?
14:15 <wrtlprnft> noone who runs a trunk server expects fortress to work yet
14:15 <philippeqc> ouch
14:15 <wrtlprnft> but it should be fixed if we are going to make a final release
14:15 <philippeqc> I'll see into re-enabling the old syntax
14:21 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: does Test Server have a dedicate english_base file?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
14:23 <wrtlprnft> ~/arma-0.2.8-svn/usr/share/games/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt or something like that
14:23 <wrtlprnft> need to restart the server for any change to take effect
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14:24 <vinavil> hm
14:24 <wrtlprnft> actually, wati
14:24 <wrtlprnft> *wait
14:24 <wrtlprnft> you don't want to edit that file
14:25 * vinavil feels wrtlprnft reading his mind
14:25 * philippeqc realise the impact of trunk not being able to support fortress for a while
14:25 <philippeqc> you guys put up with a LOT!
14:25 <wrtlprnft> you want to copy ~/arma-0.2.8-svn/share/games/armagetronad-dedicated/language/english_base.txt
14:25 <wrtlprnft> to ~/testserver/data/language
14:26 <wrtlprnft> create dirs as necessary
14:26 <vinavil> i want to disable ladder
14:26 <wrtlprnft> then edit that. that'll prevent the file from being overwritten when upgrading the server
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15:03 <philippeqc> gonna clean up my flat, my wife is out and I want to surprise her
15:08 <vinavil> and when phil's wife was back... "wtf did happen here? tidy up everything!"
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15:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: better i upload the new english_base.txt to <why do italian keyboards have not the tilde symbol>/testserver/data/language or to old dir?
15:19 <wrtlprnft> first one
15:19 <vinavil> k
15:20 * wrtlprnft loves the new colorful favicons
15:20 * vinavil too
15:21 <wrtlprnft> there's still too many sites that don't have any
15:21 <vinavil> please paste me a tilde
15:21 <wrtlprnft> ~
15:22 <wrtlprnft> ñ if that helps
15:22 <vinavil> ?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> note that you can write /home/rain/ or $HOME/ instead of ~/
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15:23 <wrtlprnft> or leave it away if you're in the home dir anyways
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15:23 <wrtlprnft> hi.
15:23 <vinavil> i cannot mkdir :S
15:23 <Hellsing> hi
15:23 <epsy> hay Hellsing :)
15:24 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:24 <vinavil> no no, i can
15:24 <epsy> what's the error, vinavil ?
15:24 <wrtlprnft> you can't create multiple dirs at once
15:24 <epsy> you can
15:24 <Hellsing> hi epsy
15:25 <wrtlprnft> if you want to create ~/testserver/data/language make sure that ~/testserver/data exists :)
15:25 <epsy> or use the -p option
15:25 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:25 <epsy> wrtlprnft, what's the map on this shot ? : http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_562.png
15:25 <epsy> o
15:25 <epsy> Aang's race from dz ?
15:26 <wrtlprnft> no, one of voodoo's race maps
15:26 <epsy> he hasn't an account on the main resource server
15:26 <epsy> ...
15:27 <wrtlprnft> they're autogenerated
15:27 <wrtlprnft> i've got tons of them and the generator :)
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15:28 <epsy> lol
15:28 <wrtlprnft> i'll give you the one on that screenshot if i can find it
15:28 <epsy> i was just intrested seeing the map entirely :P
15:29 <epsy> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/Minimiles/DeathMap/Joust-0.3.0.aamap.xml
15:29 <epsy> lol
15:29 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rtw_mz10042007203422-0.0.1.aamap.xml
15:29 <wrtlprnft> it's one of the buggier ones
15:30 <epsy> dang -.-
15:30 <epsy> i wonder why firefox wont ever upload a file if it's an url
15:30 <wrtlprnft> you can double back at start and get the winzone :D
15:30 <epsy> lol
15:31 <wrtlprnft> have you never played on any of these race servers or mayhem?
15:31 <epsy> no
15:32 <epsy> ...of course fx wont download it either
15:32 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:32 <epsy> fx -> firefox
15:33 <wrtlprnft> mkdir -p ~/.armagetronad/resource/voodoo/race && wget http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/rtw_mz10042007203422-0.0.1.aamap.xml -O ~/.armagetronad/resource/voodoo/race
15:34 <epsy> heh lol
15:35 <wrtlprnft> -p ftw
15:35 <epsy> yeah :)
15:36 <epsy> mkdir -p this/that/{a,b}
15:36 <epsy> too
15:37 * epsy notes http://armagetronad.de/ shows an empty page
15:38 <vinavil> does anybody know how to run flash properly?
15:38 <epsy> on linux ?
15:38 <vinavil> debian etch
15:38 <epsy> err...
15:38 <epsy> download flash 9
15:38 <epsy> and use the installer or use the intructions from plugindoc.mozdev.org
15:38 <epsy> *s
15:39 <vinavil> it works only on mozilla/firefox/seamonkey
15:39 <vinavil> ...
15:39 <vinavil> another way?
15:39 <epsy> it's works on konquerror too if you have the nsplugin option installed
15:39 <epsy> and so it is for opera i think
15:40 <vinavil> nsplugin?
15:40 <epsy> try searching for a package named konqueror-nsplugin
15:40 <vinavil> hm
15:40 <wrtlprnft> it works for opera as long as it's not in the nsplugin dir
15:40 <wrtlprnft> for some weird reason
15:41 <epsy> heh
15:41 <vinavil> o_O
15:42 <vinavil> so, what do i have to do?
15:42 <epsy> don't put it in the nsplugin dir ?
15:44 <vinavil> ...
16:06 <philippeqc> vinavil: you making fun of me cleaning up my flat to surprise my wife? ;)
16:31 <epsy> http://granades.com/2007/05/02/loltrek/
16:43 <philippeqc> epsy, this is brain rot!
16:43 <philippeqc> darn funny brain rot
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18:04 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
18:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
18:07 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
18:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: disabled
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18:49 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: Canada
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
18:49 * Lucifer_arma is still sleepy
18:49 <wrtlprnft> huh?
19:10 <vinavil> philippeqc: yes :D
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19:18 <epsy> hmm
19:19 <epsy> i need a way to get both clientnum AND player in a sure way :/
19:19 <philippeqc> what?
19:20 <philippeqc> client number, should that be its version or the number of unique clients connected at one time
19:20 <epsy> i need to get a clients number, and his nick, when he connects ... all that only using the log
19:21 <philippeqc> The client IP address!
19:21 <epsy> the unique client number, yeah
19:21 <epsy> not his ip
19:21 <epsy> his ip can i already get
19:22 <epsy> i need his name, with it's number...at connection
19:23 <philippeqc> I dont think there are unique client id
19:23 <epsy> ?
19:24 <epsy> [2 IP=68.199.44.206:35379] New user: 2
19:24 <epsy> [2 IP=68.199.44.206:35379] GASU plays for Team blue.
19:24 <epsy> that's the client num
19:24 <philippeqc> the client doesnt have a number just for itself
19:24 <epsy> for the server, it has
19:25 <philippeqc> but that number (2) will be reused as soon as the player leave
19:25 <epsy> yes i know
19:25 <philippeqc> Humm, I guess someone who has administered a server could help you better than I
19:25 <epsy> but from he connects until he leaves i need to get his client num and his name
19:26 <wrtlprnft> where's the problem?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> the New user: x marks a new client
19:26 <epsy> <epsy> i need a way to get both clientnum AND player in a sure way :/
19:26 <epsy> yeah, but we disscussed before, that it was unsure to use this way, remember ?
19:26 <wrtlprnft> then the next message with that x will contain the name
19:27 <wrtlprnft> when the player leaves there will be a “received logout from x” or “x timed out” message
19:27 <epsy> err...my script can't know what's the previous line
19:27 <wrtlprnft> then your script sucks?
19:28 <epsy> i'm using the killing user x message for that
19:28 <wrtlprnft> that should work
19:28 <epsy> wrtlprnft, the scripts starts each time there's a new line coming from arma's stdout
19:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe put “PLAYERS” in everytime.cfg and parse that?
19:28 <wrtlprnft> that's really inefficient
19:29 <epsy> hmm
19:30 <epsy> [0] 0: gdb (logged out)
19:30 <epsy> [0] 0: gcc (logged out)
19:30 <epsy> [0] 0: latex (logged out)
19:30 <epsy> [0] 1: goon (logged out)
19:30 <epsy> hmm
19:31 <epsy> maybe if i send the players command when an user connects
19:31 <epsy> oh no, i should wait some delay before that ... :/
19:34 <epsy> which would be terribly annoying for the players
19:34 <wrtlprnft> maybe run it for every line you parse? :D
19:34 <wrtlprnft> sure way to kill your server
19:34 <epsy> run what ?
19:34 <epsy> the command ?
19:34 <epsy> :P
19:35 <wrtlprnft> the PLAYERS command
19:35 <epsy> ah :P
19:36 <epsy> let's try that!
19:36 <epsy> --->]
19:41 <wrtlprnft> have fun with your fork bomb.
19:41 <epsy> :P
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> just make an array keyed using arma's player number key in the logs
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> hm
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> that answers my own question for my own script
19:41 <epsy> i need to get *his name* first
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> too bad I'm a) about to go visit family and b) working on my budget program anyway
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: then you're putting spurious and imagined needs in front of what will actually get you what you want
19:42 <epsy> err ...
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> think about it. The whole reason players have keys in the logs is so you can tail the logs and do stuff like you're saying
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> I am assuming you're trying to parse the logs for something
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> if you're hacking arma directly, then please disregard eerything I just said
19:43 <epsy> tthat's like it needs to know when a player says « i want to kick epsy », who is « epsy »
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> search the array for epsy, what's so hard about that?
19:44 <epsy> if i were hacking arma that would be easier
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> for a in theArray:
19:44 <epsy> i need to build the array
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> if a.name == "epsy": sys.exit()
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> bbl
19:45 <epsy> is that perl ?
19:45 <wrtlprnft> python!
19:46 <wrtlprnft> perl would be
19:46 <wrtlprnft> sys.exit() if a.name == "epsy"
19:46 <epsy> heh
19:46 <wrtlprnft> or if a.name == epsy sys.exit()
19:46 <wrtlprnft> or a.name == epsy sys.exit if
19:46 <epsy> yoda-like :)
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19:46 <wrtlprnft> or if == epsy sys.exit a.name
19:47 <MrBougo> hello
19:47 <epsy> hay MrBougo
19:47 <MrBougo> s/h/j
19:47 <epsy> tss :)
19:47 <MrBougo> i mean for my message
19:47 <wrtlprnft> or exit.name == epsy if a.exit
19:47 <MrBougo> i've understood it wrtlprnft
19:47 <MrBougo> xD
19:47 <epsy> tss anyway :)
19:47 <MrBougo> bah
19:47 <epsy> wrtlprnft, :P
19:48 <MrBougo> say hello to the bright letters
19:48 <wrtlprnft> or ) exit == name if . a . epsy /
19:48 <epsy> hmm
19:48 <wrtlprnft> err, ) exit == name if . a . epsy (
19:48 <epsy> i'ill do it the hacky way then
19:48 <MrBougo> what language is this?
19:48 <epsy> put it with name empty
19:48 <epsy> antil i find a line like
19:48 <epsy> [1 IP=192.168.0.2:32860] gOon entered as spectator.
19:48 <epsy> or
19:48 <epsy> [0] gOon plays for Team blue.
19:48 <epsy> ooh noes
19:53 <epsy> how i do say « one or more » in a regexp ?
19:56 <epsy> nvm
20:04 <epsy> Warning: preg_match(): Compilation failed: POSIX named classes are supported only within a class at offset 34 in /home/epsy/armacmdscripts/lineproccessing.php on line 95
20:22 <epsy> could you tell me why " gOon entered as spectator." wouldn't match ",^ [^\t\n\r\f\v] entered,"
20:23 <epsy> oh found out myself
20:23 <epsy> #monologue
20:23 <armabot> epsy: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long.
20:26 <philippeqc> what is the page to view the maps on the res repo?
20:26 <epsy> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
20:26 <epsy> #alias add res echo http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
20:26 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
20:26 <epsy> #res
20:26 <armabot> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
20:26 <philippeqc> ty
20:27 <epsy> np
20:27 <MrBougo> yee
20:27 <epsy> what ? :)
20:29 <epsy> MrBougo, you got pos 1 ? :P
20:29 <MrBougo> huh?
20:30 <MrBougo> what pos1
20:30 <epsy> ladder pos 1 :P
20:30 <MrBougo> where
20:30 <MrBougo> no
20:30 <MrBougo> i was "yee"ing at the music :p
20:30 <epsy> :P
20:39 <epsy> YAY!
20:40 <epsy> 1 gOon 192.168.0.2
20:40 <epsy> :)
20:40 <epsy> (and now i don't have anymore reasons to not finish voting
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21:22 <philippeqc> frack! mapping the old fortress automatic assignment to zone v2 is a PITA!
21:23 <philippeqc> z-man did it based on players position when the game ran (give the fortress to the closest player team), I have to do it at parse time
21:27 <wrtlprnft> that sucked, anyways
21:27 <wrtlprnft> I haven't seen anyone who knew it until I told him or they read the code
21:30 <philippeqc> thanks to accept my frustration
21:31 <philippeqc> (melodramatic) but how on heck can I assign them to team when said teams can pop up at any spawn location!
21:32 <philippeqc> 'tupid old map format, what monkey made that!
21:33 <wrtlprnft> when's the spawning done?
21:33 <philippeqc> after map parsing
21:33 <wrtlprnft> and is there any reason why the zones have to appear after the cycles?
21:33 <philippeqc> wait, lemme check that
21:33 <wrtlprnft> err, other way
21:34 <philippeqc> I would like to parse the map once
21:34 <philippeqc> only
21:34 <philippeqc> no wait, cant have the spawning BEFORE map parsing, spawn points are defined there
21:34 <wrtlprnft> yeah, of course
21:35 <wrtlprnft> you could scan the thing for spawn points, then spawn, then scan for zones
21:35 <philippeqc> yes, I could
21:35 <wrtlprnft> or introduce a special team that will autoassign to the closest team
21:35 <philippeqc> but the prob is only when parsing map version 1 with fortress, and on a version 2 engine
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21:36 <wrtlprnft> do the special old zone scan only on version 1 maps?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> and ignore old zones on the first scan
21:36 <philippeqc> I wanted to create the old fortress with the v2 zones, so mapping has to be 1 to 1
21:37 <philippeqc> then I have to make a 2 pass scan for the purpose of old zones
21:38 <wrtlprnft> libxml must have an equivalent to the JS GetElementsByTagName()
21:40 <MrBougo> BYE
21:41 <MrBougo> GOOD NIGHT 888
21:41 <MrBougo> err sorry caps lockz...
21:41 <epsy> SEE YOU MrBougo
21:41 <epsy> CAN YOU HEAR ME ?
21:41 <philippeqc> good idea Mr. B
21:41 <MrBougo> :(
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21:41 <epsy> good idea ?
21:41 <philippeqc> wrt, have a nice trip, enjoy yourself!
21:41 <philippeqc> I'm closing shop
21:41 <epsy> d'night ?
21:41 <philippeqc> getting too complex for the hour it is
21:42 <philippeqc> dont want to start something like that so late
21:42 <philippeqc> wtf is a CTCP TIME?
21:42 <philippeqc> we have the same time zone
21:42 <epsy> it's a request for your current time
21:42 <philippeqc> Stockholm!
21:43 <epsy> paris isn't on the same timeline as stockholm ...
21:43 <epsy> as i know
21:43 <Vanhayes> #time
21:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: 09:43 PM, May 26, 2007
21:43 <philippeqc> C'est la meme merde qu'en France! pas b'soin d'faire des paquest
21:43 <philippeqc> 21:45 here, and you?
21:43 <philippeqc> #time
21:43 <armabot> philippeqc: 09:43 PM, May 26, 2007
21:43 <epsy> 21:46
21:44 <epsy> #utime
21:44 <philippeqc> see!
21:44 <epsy> #ctime
21:44 <armabot> epsy: Sat May 26 21:43:59 2007
21:44 <epsy> #list time
21:44 <armabot> epsy: at, ctime, elapsed, gmtime, seconds, time, and until
21:44 <epsy> #gmtime
21:44 <armabot> epsy: 07:44 PM, May 26, 2007
21:44 <philippeqc> #gmtime
21:44 <armabot> philippeqc: 07:44 PM, May 26, 2007
21:44 <philippeqc> o yeah, advanced time for the summer
21:45 <philippeqc> so 2 vs gmt
21:45 <philippeqc> anyway, wrtlprnft have some nice vacation
21:45 <philippeqc> epsy, yes spain, france, germany, denmark, sweden, norway are on the same time zone
21:45 <philippeqc> good night all!
21:45 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:46 <epsy> ok
21:46 <wrtlprnft> and thanks
21:46 <philippeqc> go eat some pasta at valinda's place
21:46 <wrtlprnft> :D
21:46 <philippeqc> so we get a confirmation about my theory last night
21:46 <epsy> and some good pizza :P
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22:17 <akira_> stuffed olives, cheddar and toasted bread!
22:17 <akira_> and some espresso.
22:17 <akira_> don't mind me
22:17 <akira_> :)
22:43 <Vanhayes> #last --with dns --nolimit
22:43 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:36:26] <Lucifer_arma> slow dns lookups, fast downloads, [04:05:21] <Your_mom_arma> net stop dnscache, [04:05:14] <Your_mom_arma> if your getting dns errors, the easy way to stop them is to open up a command prompt and enter, [04:00:02] <Vanhayes> hmm, It keeps giving me a dns error alot when I try to connect to the master server, [09:44:57] <guru3> the big kicker will be DNS of (1 more message)
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22:47 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:47 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 71.2°F (3:44 PM CDT on May 26, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 29.01 in 982.3 hPa (Falling).
22:49 <Vanhayes> #weather saint john
22:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 82°F / 28°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Clearing this evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 8.; Sunday - Sunny. High 20. UV index 7 or high. Sunday night..increasing cloudiness. 40 percent chance of (1 more message)
22:49 <Vanhayes> heh, hotter here
22:50 <Vanhayes> weird thing is, it snowed a little over a week ago
22:51 <Vanhayes> #more
22:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: showers overnight. Wind becoming south 20 km/h overnight. Low 9.; Monday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 15.;
22:51 <Vanhayes> #weather e5n 5c5
22:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hampton High School, Hampton, New Brunswick is 81.7°F (5:53 PM ADT on May 26, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling).
22:52 <ghableska> o_O
22:57 <epsy> #m wrtlprnft what city are you going to ?
22:57 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
22:59 <Vanhayes> Rome?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: another one that starts with “R“
23:02 <Vanhayes> hmm
23:02 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with maps.google --without last
23:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:19:53] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=rimini,+italy&ie=UTF8&ll=44.037716,12.616526&spn=0.002545,0.005021&t=h&z=18&om=1
23:07 <Vanhayes> looks like nice beaches in rimini
23:07 <epsy> look like a circuit board -.-
23:07 <epsy> *s
23:08 <Vanhayes> #weather rimini
23:08 <epsy> lol
23:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1006hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Rain. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 ° F. / 15 (1 more message)
23:08 <Vanhayes> #more
23:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ° C.;
23:08 <epsy> xD
23:08 <Vanhayes> heh
23:08 <epsy> Chance of Rain. High
23:09 <epsy> man i'm not getting theses weather reports -.-
23:11 <Vanhayes> there is a above average chance of rain
23:11 <epsy> and after too
23:12 <Vanhayes> hmm, well that one looks like it is mangled
23:33 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma ping
23:33 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=178311#178311
23:34 <P4> DrJoeTron: do you share your way to kill campers in your servers?
23:34 <DrJoeTron> the anti camp nuke?
23:34 <P4> yes! :D
23:34 <P4> i hate styball campers... with 12 axes it makes my fps like 1
23:35 <DrJoeTron> its really easy
23:35 <DrJoeTron> Iceman showed me this
23:35 <P4> is there any forum thread with sources? :}
23:35 <DrJoeTron> i don't know why it was so complicated to think about it
23:35 <DrJoeTron> you dont need it
23:35 <P4> or at least algorithm?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> haha
23:35 <DrJoeTron> you know what it is?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> its a death zone
23:35 <DrJoeTron> a BIG one
23:36 <DrJoeTron> so big you cant even see it on the screen
23:36 <P4> but it would kill everyone
23:36 <epsy> surrounding all the arena ?
23:36 <epsy> yeah
23:36 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:36 <P4> and not only camer
23:36 <P4> camper*
23:36 <DrJoeTron> thats all it is :)
23:36 * ghableska rented 28 Days Later
23:36 <ghableska> :D
23:36 <DrJoeTron> it goes off after like 2 minutes
23:36 <DrJoeTron> 90 seconds** actually
23:37 <P4> but i'd like to kill camper only and save other players from him
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23:37 <DrJoeTron> /admin kill does that pretty good
23:37 <P4> but i saw somewhere the automated one
23:37 <P4> so it works even if admin wont be there...
23:39 <DrJoeTron> P4
23:39 <DrJoeTron> your eyes trick you
23:39 <DrJoeTron> the ANTI CAMP NUKE ACTIVIATED
23:39 <DrJoeTron> thats just Instant Death Zone Activated
23:39 <DrJoeTron> just reworded
23:40 <DrJoeTron> its considered anti camp, because if the game is still going, its probably 2 people just waiting for the box to fill,
23:40 <DrJoeTron> so they're camping :V
23:41 <DrJoeTron> because the game shouldnt last that long
23:41 <P4> lol
23:41 <P4> oh i see
23:41 <P4> thanks
23:41 <P4> is there any way to detect camper?
23:41 <DrJoeTron> i doubt it
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00:09 <|Sticky|> doable i recon
00:09 <Vanhayes> ?
00:12 <|Sticky|> just build up some heuristics...how about taking a mean of the last 20 seconds worth of positions... if they havnet moved a significant distance from that they are probably camping
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01:20 <guru3> I'm gonna try and disapear for a few days now to do some serious studying. I'll catch ya'll in a while.
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02:22 <manta> Someone was using my nick on freenode........ Lucky I'm the one who registered it, heeheeheeheee
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03:11 <|Sticky|> #tea
03:11 <armabot> |Sticky|: Fortress Café: Players (5/32): guilux, john, Noob, ¦Ö¦Legit, °°@shitakA
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03:45 <Durka> #hello
03:45 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Random Fortune: QOTD: || "I may not be able to walk, but I drive from the sitting position."
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> manta doing a little kicking around?
03:55 <manta> yep, hey luci
03:56 <Durka> hi manta :D
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04:13 <Lucifer_arma> millions of exceptions
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05:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: kicking?
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> yah
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> what's up?
05:14 <GodTodd> i gots a question about qtdesigner
05:14 <GodTodd> (surprise surprise) ;)
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> is it about layouts?
05:16 <GodTodd> i started over from scratch because i messed up the design on the auto resize...now i have the tabbed widget so that it resizes beautifully...but when i add an object it doesn't do it anymore....how do i fix that?
05:16 <GodTodd> yep
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> when you add an object within qtdesigner, or in code?
05:16 <GodTodd> in designer
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, after you've created all of a widget's layouts and set a layout for the whole widget, you can't add any more widgets to it
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> what you have to do is break the layout, using the "break layout" button, rearrange as needed, then re-create all the layouts
05:17 <GodTodd> well...i've just set a layout for the central widget
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's a pain, but it's really the only way it can work in Qt
05:18 <GodTodd> but when i try that other way...it just squishes stuff
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> to get around that, because it's not just a pain, it's also very inflexible, try to break your gui up into several files
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> dsac is going to be the example I can point you at for that, but you'll have to look at the qt3 files because the qt4 port isn't far enough along
05:18 <GodTodd> heh
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> a good main window can be hand-coded easily, when you think about it
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> if it's so complex that coding it by hand is a pain, then you've made a bad main window
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05:20 <Lucifer_arma> there's typically only 2-4 areas that will contain something, and when they contain tabwidgets and stackedwidgets, you can easily lay it out in designer
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I do, usually. Which is what you see in acme, the main window you load in designer just has a tabwidget in it
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> if I weren't writing custom widgets for the ui under it, I'd make QWidgets in designer that contain the areas
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> lemme see what dste's got
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> dste just has the one ui file, heh
05:24 <GodTodd> heh
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> have you started coding it yet?
05:25 <GodTodd> so...do i just drag vertical layout areas from the list to the window for each section of objects on the tabbed widget?
05:25 <GodTodd> no
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> you can't put layout areas in by hand, you have to put a widget in a layout
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> there's a stackedwidget and a tabwidget, and a few other containers you can use
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest you don't sweat it too much, because after you get waist-deep in code, you're going to start figuring out how you want to organize your ui files
05:26 <GodTodd> well...i have the tabbed widget as the central widget on the main window
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05:28 <ghableska> #weather 50266
05:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 64.8°F (10:25 PM CDT on May 26, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Falling).
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05:29 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:29 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 72.7°F (10:30 PM CDT on May 26, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Sunday afternoon...
05:29 <GodTodd> i win! :)
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
05:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek Marlins, Austin, Texas is 71.6°F (10:29 PM CDT on May 26, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Sunday evening...
05:30 <GodTodd> i still win! :)
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> no you don't, I win!
05:31 <GodTodd> lies!
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> temperature is the only number you have higher than mine
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> all my other numbers are higher than yours
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, I win, because most of the judges like me better :P
05:31 <GodTodd> those be bad numbers tho
05:31 <GodTodd> and my time number is higher :P
05:32 <GodTodd> 10:30 > 10:29
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> ah, but my flash flood watch time is higher
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> Sunday evening > sunday afternoon
05:32 <GodTodd> sunday evening < sunday afternoon due to its proximity to monday morning
05:33 <GodTodd> :)
05:33 * ghableska wins
05:33 <ghableska> hands down
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
05:33 <GodTodd> ghableska cannot win as long as he lives in iowa.
05:33 * Lucifer_arma notes monday is a holiday
05:33 <ghableska> lies, GodTodd
05:33 * GodTodd notes that most mondays are not
05:33 <GodTodd> truths, ghableska
05:34 <ghableska> untruths
05:34 <GodTodd> ununtruths
05:34 <ghableska> nonuntruths
05:34 <ghableska> er
05:35 <GodTodd> see...i win! :)
05:35 <ghableska> damn you!
05:36 * GodTodd sold 3 books and got $101 today
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06:12 <Vanhayes> #weather saint John
06:12 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Clearing this evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 8.; Sunday - Sunny. High 20. UV index 7 or high. Sunday night..increasing cloudiness. 40 percent chance of (1 more message)
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08:37 <epsy> hi
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> wow
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> someone give me $600, quick
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chesshouse.com/Giant_Chess_Set_Combo_p/e052.htm
08:43 <epsy> only for $600
08:43 <epsy> wow
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> I found some shorter sets, but I really want the 2' king (about 2/3 of a meter)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> it might be better to make a giant chess set
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> only I don't exactly know much about wood carving, or how much 2' tall blocks would run
08:45 * Lucifer_arma goes to price raw woo
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> d
08:46 <GodTodd> grrr
08:46 * GodTodd seriously considers smacking his sleeping wife :/
08:47 <epsy> Give her to hear motörhead xD
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> ?
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> trying to get her to pay for a chess set? ;)
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's 32 pieces on a chess board, right? 16 on each side?
08:50 <epsy> yeah
08:51 <GodTodd> not only was this program coded in vb...but the datafile is an access db
08:52 <GodTodd> so i need to convert it to something useful :/
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> sqlite
08:52 <GodTodd> is that something python can do?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I don't need the pieces made out of wood, I just need to be able to get material that's about the right size
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, with pysqlite
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> python2.5 comes with it :)
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's the sqlite3 module
08:53 <GodTodd> so...import that?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, export the access file as sql and use that to build your new database
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> however, reading a MS access database is going to be a lot trickier
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> you probably need to get your wife to throw together some last vb code to export the access file as SQL, which you can then import
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> provided she didn't get too crazy with her sql
08:54 <GodTodd> heh
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> you could identify the crazy parts and see if you can process the resulting file automatically, you know, a little python program to massage it to fit your sqlite database
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> but sqlite is very flexible, she'd have to use some damn crazy sql for it not to work
08:55 <GodTodd> well...i printed it to term and i can see the crazy parts
08:55 <GodTodd> some nice useful info mixed with table tags it appears :)
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have any idea what search terms to use to find what I want
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha, wait a minute, I'm barking up the wrong tree
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I should be thinking "cheap, with materials readily available"
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we could just have 29 more kids
08:56 <GodTodd> hire 32 illegal immigrants
08:56 <GodTodd> cheaper
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that fits the bill of cheap, with materials readily available
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> paper mache
08:57 <GodTodd> 29 more kids would be damn expensice
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> or something similar
08:57 <GodTodd> expensive*
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> some wooden dowels to lay in as the frame for each piece, maybe
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> if I could get them cheap enough, of course
08:58 * Lucifer_arma thinks on it some more
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem with 29 more kids is that I could only hope for 18 to be in the house at any point in time
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> that's not enough to fill out a chessboard
08:59 <GodTodd> dowels shouldn't be but a few dimes apiece
08:59 <GodTodd> why 18?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I'll bet there's some material I could get to make cylinders for the bodies
09:00 <GodTodd> chickenwire
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> 18 because it basically takes a minimum of 1 year to birth a kid, and after we hit the magical 18 number, the oldest start moving out
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> chickenwire might be the answer, depending on cost
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> the advantage to chickenwire is that I can *shape* it
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> then cover it with something, like paper mache (although I'd really prefer a smooth finish)
09:00 <GodTodd> follow the luke-jr_ school of child rearing....have them so ill prepared for the outside world that they *can't* move out ;)
09:01 <GodTodd> yeah...chickenwire rules as skeletons
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> the flip side of course is that I don't want to wait 29 years
09:01 <GodTodd> true
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> I may as well just snip $5/month until I can just buy a big-ass chess set
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> I played a game with my brother-in-law today at the children's museum, and we really enjoyed the big-ass chess set
09:01 <GodTodd> another rub...didn't you get fixed?
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
09:02 <GodTodd> hmmm that could be good tho...
09:02 <GodTodd> just *adopt* 29 kids :)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> eek, at $2k a pop?
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> (last I heard, anyway)
09:02 <GodTodd> hmmm maybe not :)
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> dowels wouldn't necessarily be needed for chicken wire frame
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> all that's really needed is a cover
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> and a base
09:03 <GodTodd> $5 a month would be approx. 10 years btw
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, if we had it available on a credit card (which we don't, we're *that* broke right now), $600 isn't an unreasonable purchase
09:04 <GodTodd> true
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> then follow it up with $20+/month payments, or even just pay it all off at once
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> problem, of course, is that we are *that* broke right now
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, we have to borrow $600 to make it to my next paycheck
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so really, someone give me $1200
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> :)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> this is all ignoring the chess board, too, but chess boards can't be that hard to make
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09:05 <philippeqc> mornign
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> hey philippeqc (hi there!)
09:06 <philippeqc> hello
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chesshouse.com/Giant_Chess_Set_Combo_p/e052.htm
09:07 <philippeqc> I my! I read Giant Cheese Set
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> go back to bed, philippeqc (hi there!)
09:07 <GodTodd> that would be cool too :)
09:07 <philippeqc> What where they doing with their cheese on the lawn!
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, I could get back into chess if I had a big-ass chess set
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> hadn't played in years, mostly because of lack of opponents
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> most people I know (with a few noteable exceptions) won't play with me
09:08 <GodTodd> use hillary clinton as your queen...that'd qualify as a big ass chess set :)
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:08 <philippeqc> The thing with games like chess is that you can make them by hand, and even though one is not the crafty type, people have been exposed to so many variation of the pieces that they will accept it.
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> you know, there's probably only two men in the whole world who thinks she's hot, and I'm one of them
09:09 <philippeqc> and you save 600 buck
09:09 <GodTodd> yeah...no one will play me in chess either :/
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> no, you save $600-$costtobuild
09:09 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: never said she wasn't hot...i like big ass women ;)
09:09 <GodTodd> assed*
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> but here in texas, seems like there'd be a lot of chickenwire available
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> just have to keep my eyes open
09:10 <GodTodd> makes driving easier
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> an internal frame besides chicken wire will be needed, on second thought
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> because a handle on top of the piece is needed, and enough reinforcement that you can reasonably pick up the piece by its head
09:11 <philippeqc> you can take drift wood, planks from barns that are about to before archeological find, the mis-matched planks that you keep just for this type of project, etc. cost is pretty close to 0
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> actually, there's no reason I have to stick with the boring look of chess pieces if I'm a make them myself
09:11 <GodTodd> put them on wheels
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> no, if there's wheels, I limit their use to flat surfaces, which aren't a guarantee here
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> but it occurs to me that a cheap board assembly uses sidewalk chalk and the driveway
09:12 <GodTodd> not with brakes :P
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't say "level surfaces", I said "flat" :)
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of my back yard, actually
09:13 <GodTodd> well...rocks and shit can make a piece *not* on wheels fall over and be unstable
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> obviously each piece needs to have a low center of gravity
09:13 <GodTodd> which means whatever you use for the base needs to be heavy
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> or possible to make heavy
09:14 <GodTodd> right
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> sacks of sand at the bottom, water bags, etc
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> but a really dense piece of wood would be preferred
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> or stakes
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> hey, there's an idea
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> use string to mark out the board, and put stakes in the bottom of each piece, play in the yard
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> stake needs continuity up to the handle on the top so each piece can be easily driven into it's new spot
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> I have stakes, but I don't think I have 32 of them
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> cardboard, duh
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> make them out of cardboard
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe wrap them in aluminum foil and paint
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> only cardboard isn't terribly strong
09:17 <philippeqc> take a rock, paint the figure on it. repeat a total of 32 times.
09:17 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma,
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: I want the king to stand at least 2' tall (2/3 meter)
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron:
09:18 <philippeqc> o, your adding criterias now!
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> am not, you just entered the middle of the conversation
09:18 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=178311&sid=cacd9bd318ca25af2e00fae3eb13463e#178311 any good?
09:18 <philippeqc> o ok
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> I don't understand the question
09:19 <GodTodd> no
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> are you wanting me to critique the writing?
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> bitch about the content?
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> THERE'S NO MSPAINT CARTOON!
09:19 <DrJoeTron> was what i post ok?
09:19 <DrJoeTron> : /
09:19 <GodTodd> oh...good...escape sequences work in py
09:19 <GodTodd> >>> logfile = open('test.log', 'w') 1
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> sure :)
09:19 <DrJoeTron> i know :(
09:19 <GodTodd> >>> logfile.write('test succeeded') 2
09:19 <philippeqc> well, make a "stand" of 1 feet * 1 feet, in 2x2. then a 2x2 raising up to the desired height
09:19 <GodTodd> >>> logfile.close()
09:19 <GodTodd> >>> print file('test.log').read() 3
09:19 <GodTodd> test succeeded
09:19 <GodTodd> >>> logfile = open('test.log', 'a') 4
09:20 <GodTodd> >>> logfile.write('line 2')
09:20 <GodTodd> >>> logfile.close()
09:20 <GodTodd> >>> print file('test.log').read() 5
09:20 <GodTodd> test succeededline 2
09:20 <GodTodd> thon
09:20 <GodTodd> bah
09:20 <GodTodd> how the hell did that happen?
09:20 <philippeqc> you could place another 2x2 at "game peice shoulder level"
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I was wanting more like a piece with a base that's not more than 2-4 inches tall, and the remaining height occupied by the piece
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> I still want it aesthetically pleasing
09:20 <philippeqc> then you sew them some cloting, basic ones, like a tabard
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: you didn't put a line ending?
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> \n
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> philippeqc: your idea has merit
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> I can sew my nuts off
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> material is very cheap, and can look very good
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> stuffing, too, is very cheap
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> then we're back at the dowel frame, basically a scarecrow frame for each piece with custom clothing to match
09:22 <GodTodd> no....*i* did
09:23 <GodTodd> what got pasted was an example
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I didn't see it in the code
09:23 <GodTodd> :P
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> ah, was the paste iteslf the accident, then?
09:23 <GodTodd> yep
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> ok, nvm then :)
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile = open('test.log', 'w')
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile.write('test succeeded')
09:23 <philippeqc> yeah, scarecrow frame is similar to what I described
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile.close()
09:23 <GodTodd> print file('test.log').read()
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile = open('test.log', 'a')
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile.write('\nline 2')
09:23 <GodTodd> logfile.close()
09:23 <GodTodd> print file('test.log').read()
09:23 <GodTodd> that's mine :P
09:24 <DrJoeTron> I'm surprised how well my cpu has been running
09:24 <DrJoeTron> its been over clocked for 2 years
09:24 <philippeqc> Just with a stand rather than being put into the earth
09:24 <GodTodd> me too, joe
09:25 <DrJoeTron> I'm so glad you're there for me GodTodd
09:26 <GodTodd> always baby :)
09:31 <Lucifer_arma> stand needs to have feet, not sit flat
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> ideally the feet would be auto-leveling
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't think I want to put that kind of engineering into them
09:41 <GodTodd> hmmm...can't put these two lines together i guess :/
09:41 <GodTodd> DBfile.write('\n')
09:41 <GodTodd> DBfile.write(otherparams)
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10:56 <epsy> i need someone with a damn ******* unicode name
11:11 <epsy> #lastsee,
11:11 <epsy> #lastseen
11:11 <armabot> epsy: oompa seems to be on Norm's Place right now.
11:12 <epsy> #lastseen
11:12 <armabot> epsy: oompa seems to be on Norm's Place right now.
11:12 <epsy> #lastseen þ
11:12 <epsy> #lastseen Ç
11:14 <epsy> #ping
11:14 <armabot> pong
11:15 <epsy> hmm it isn't timing out -.-
11:16 <MrBougo> bye
11:16 <MrBougo> #lastseen €
11:16 <epsy> tu pars ?
11:16 <MrBougo> wup
11:16 <epsy> où ça ? :P
11:16 <MrBougo> huh
11:17 <MrBougo> j'étiens le PC ctout xD
11:17 <epsy> xD
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11:17 <epsy> o_O
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11:35 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7272 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gParser.cpp gParser.h): Basic support for old maps win and death zones.
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12:39 <philippeqc> z-man: hi. I'm wondering, the distanceTeam_ in gWinZone.cpp (in 0.2.8), and the behavior to attempt to give an equal number of zone for each team, rather than giving zones to the nearest team, is this behavior used in any map you know of?
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12:42 <z-man> Maybe in the sumo maps, that's where the whole "only one zone per team" stuff was used first in.
12:42 <philippeqc> o ok
12:42 <philippeqc> seems I'll have to implement a similar behavior.
12:42 <philippeqc> thanks
12:42 <gltron> philippeqc: I got my 'arbitrary movement directions' working, but I found out that the AI is quite bad at it (no small wonder, it's written for 4 directions)
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12:43 <philippeqc> great!
12:43 <philippeqc> and ours is also quite confused by it
12:43 <gltron> maybe AI is something we could share
12:44 <gltron> i.e. have a common game world representation that the AI can work with
12:44 <philippeqc> I know there is an interface in our code to make the AI in script, so there is a possibility someone will tackle that problem
12:44 <gltron> ofc. there are performance considerations to make. we can't really import/export every tick :-)
12:44 <philippeqc> I'm mentioning that as it MIGHT (though I doubt it) be possible to support not only the same (converted) maps, but to share scripts
12:45 <gltron> what's the data set the AI is working on? do you have a class for it?
12:46 <philippeqc> I think they get acces to the gird, and use 3 ray-cast in front of them to decide to turn or not
12:46 <gltron> so they don't really need to have grid access, they just need a ray cast function
12:47 <gltron> e.g. something like 'float getDistance(float dx, float dy)'
12:47 <gltron> dx, dy being the direction of the ray
12:47 * philippeqc is looking up the AI implementation
12:47 <gltron> my AI is also taking opponent velocity & direction into account
12:48 <gltron> in order to decide if it needs to do aggressive or evasive action
12:49 <gltron> if we could agree on a common interface for the AI to *query* the grid's state, we could really share AI without having to worry about our internal grid representations
12:49 <philippeqc> yes
12:49 <gltron> also, those queries can easily be wrapped by scripting hooks, hence you get scriptable AI practically for free
12:50 <gltron> want to come up with a grid.h header file that contains the functions to query the grid?
12:50 <philippeqc> no, not at the moment
12:50 <gltron> who wrote the armagetron ad AI btw.? z-man?
12:50 <philippeqc> yes
12:50 <gltron> make it his job then :-)
12:50 * gltron pokes z-man
12:51 <philippeqc> the simple script implementation of the ai (I think its just an experiementation) uses a single sensor
12:53 * philippeqc is off to bike
12:54 <z-man> aww, not the AI, that's a terrible job :)
12:54 <philippeqc> its just too sunny to stay inside
12:54 <philippeqc> cya later
12:54 <z-man> just to rainy to go outside.
12:54 <z-man> too
12:56 <gltron> z-man: you broke it, you fix it :-)
12:56 <gltron> is the AI so bad?
12:56 <z-man> Not if we stick to the basics
12:57 <z-man> but a really good AI needs some form of global information of what is going on, I think.
12:57 <z-man> I've written a new chatbot that does some very smart things with only minimal information, though, so all hope is not lost :)
12:58 <gltron> yes, but what I want is to refuse the AI direct access to the grid data. I want a clean interface of query functions, which we could share
12:58 <z-man> Of course, it also does some very dumb things.
12:58 <z-man> Yes, that would be possible.
12:58 <gltron> or maybe we could just export the grid to the common lvl format at the start of the game, and hand that to the AI
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12:59 <gltron> that's global information of the grid's layout. then we only need query functions for players & their trails
13:00 <z-man> Wouldn't that mean we'd have to write all the grid analysis functions twice, once for the internal format, once for the shared format? I'm thinking about raycasts and stuff.
13:00 <gltron> ofc. my main motivation is that my AI sucks for non-square grids and non-orthogonal movement directions (e.g. 8-way, or worse, 3-way) and I want someone else to do the job for me
13:00 <z-man> Good motivation :)
13:01 <gltron> no, you only need to write raycast once (for the internal format), but you need to provide a second interface (the one we share) for it
13:01 <gltron> ofc. it means you and me write different raycast implementations
13:01 <gltron> mine being faster, ofc :-)
13:01 <z-man> Ah, so we just throw the exported grid out there and hope the AI authors, which would be neiter me nor you, cope with it?
13:01 <gltron> I'll cheat by using an octree...
13:02 <z-man> Oct?
13:02 <z-man> not quadtree?
13:02 <gltron> 3d levels FTW!
13:02 <gltron> ok, you have me there, quadtree
13:02 <z-man> and you had me worried :)
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13:03 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7273 / (/ armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/configure.ac): Removed obsolete IMGLib reference in error message.
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13:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7274 / (5 files in 4 dirs): New setting to enforce this ominous "open" play style by making all grinds non-sealing: CYCLE_RUBBER_MINDISTANCE_GAP*
13:04 <gltron> btw. do you have access to a good modeller with too much time on his hands? I have a model that needs some tweaking/fixing
13:04 <z-man> hey, shouln't konversation retreat to the taskbar when you close the window?
13:05 <gltron> that's what the minimize button is for?
13:05 <gltron> my problem is: http://www.gltron.org/images/edge-highlight.png
13:06 <gltron> never mind the aliasing, I can fix that, but some edges just don't appear, because the model is not a single flat surface, but made of intersecting pieces
13:06 <z-man> We've go edd, he's quite capable.
13:06 <z-man> or was it ed?
13:06 <gltron> ouch, just noticed that screenshot is already 1.5 years old
13:06 <z-man> One's a script and programming guy, the other the modeller.
13:07 <z-man> edd's the modeler :)
13:07 <z-man> here's his profile on our forum: http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=361
13:08 <gltron> did he model his avatar himself?
13:08 <z-man> I think, he made lots of lightcycle models of varying detail level.
13:11 <gltron> btw. why do you still have the butt-ugly lightcycles if you have him?
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13:21 <vinavil> becuase the butt-ugly lightcycle allows me to run this game in my machine :D
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13:32 <gltron> but what about peeps with a geforce 8800 gtx?
13:32 <gltron> think of the children!
13:37 * vinavil looks future, then his wallet and cries
13:58 <DrJoeTron> gaga
13:58 <DrJoeTron> haha*
13:58 <DrJoeTron> i could use a video card like that
13:58 <DrJoeTron> at least when tf2 comes out
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15:40 <MrBougo> hello
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16:09 <DrJoeTron> doopa doop
16:14 <MrBougo> huh
16:14 <MrBougo> whatever
16:19 <P4> DrJoeTron: doopa (exatly - dupa) means in polish ass and it's quite popular word :)
16:19 <MrBougo> haha lmao
16:19 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:20 <MrBougo> doopa doop DrJoeTron :o
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i need to take up another language
16:20 <DrJoeTron> other than english
16:20 <P4> haven't you learn in highschool 2 other languages?
16:20 <P4> we got i.e. english and italian
16:20 <DrJoeTron> nope!
16:20 <P4> oh
16:20 <MrBougo> i have Dutch and English
16:20 <DrJoeTron> it was either learn a language
16:20 <P4> that's your sacrifice
16:20 <DrJoeTron> or do fine arts
16:20 <P4> oh
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i was a fine arts nerd
16:20 <DrJoeTron> so i stuck with that
16:21 <MrBougo> hehe
16:21 <P4> we got choice: learn music or fine art
16:21 <DrJoeTron> i did music
16:21 <P4> i choosed music :}
16:21 <DrJoeTron> still trying to
16:21 <P4> im pretty ugly art designer ;P
16:21 <DrJoeTron> i've set a goal now
16:21 <P4> what's the goal?
16:21 <DrJoeTron> me too, have you seen my desktop i drew?
16:21 <DrJoeTron> spending the summer to get back in shape and get better at music
16:22 <P4> DrJoeTron: do you play ocasionally or your job is to play :}
16:22 <DrJoeTron> I'm a college student
16:22 <DrJoeTron> so I'm still playing
16:22 <P4> oh, so you play in local college orchestra? :D
16:22 <DrJoeTron> I haven't done any heavy battery in 2 years
16:22 <DrJoeTron> i did
16:22 <DrJoeTron> I took a break
16:23 <DrJoeTron> for a semester
16:23 <P4> what is the instruments you can play on?
16:23 <DrJoeTron> I play percussion :)
16:23 <P4> oh :} nice :)
16:23 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to try out for a drum corps
16:23 <DrJoeTron> is my goal by next year
16:23 <P4> i see :}
16:24 <DrJoeTron> I need to get my chops back
16:24 <P4> good luck then :)
16:24 <DrJoeTron> hah thanks
16:24 <P4> don't thank (in polish is superstition
16:24 <DrJoeTron> hah
16:24 <P4> ... that says if you thanks for gl you wont get the luck) :P
16:25 <P4> because you say sth like (no, ) thanks
16:25 <P4> like, thanks, i dont need it ;)
16:25 <DrJoeTron> I havent played much lately
16:25 <DrJoeTron> I play drum set still
16:25 <DrJoeTron> but that isn't what i need
16:25 <P4> brb, i need smoke)
16:25 <DrJoeTron> and the only thing I play in college lately are the Steel pans
16:25 <DrJoeTron> which are so wicked
16:26 <P4> i dont know any english name of above instruments :}
16:26 <P4> except perc ;)
16:26 <P4> BRB
16:28 <DrJoeTron> OK
16:28 <DrJoeTron> P4 don't wrap your head around it too much. It''s exactly what i said it was
16:29 <DrJoeTron> its a pan made out steel, usually cut out of an oil drum, and is then pounded and tuned to various notes
16:29 <DrJoeTron> usually the circle of fifths
16:30 <P4> lol!
16:31 <P4> you got to be familiar with english :}
16:31 <P4> your US, right? :}
16:31 <DrJoeTron> aye
16:31 <DrJoeTron> it is an instrument played in the carribean
16:31 <P4> strange you haven't got revdns on irc :|
16:32 <DrJoeTron> is there a problem with that?
16:32 <P4> nope, it's a feature i think :)
16:32 <DrJoeTron> http://www.mysteelpanstore.com/members/1638440/uploaded/Lead_pans.jpg
16:32 <P4> hehe, whats that pic? :}
16:33 <DrJoeTron> steel pans
16:33 <P4> how do you play on pans?
16:33 <DrJoeTron> they sound so amazing
16:33 <P4> with some kind of stick?
16:33 <DrJoeTron> little sticks with rubber bands tied round the top to make it into a mallet
16:33 <P4> oh i see
16:33 <DrJoeTron> think of it as a Marimba
16:34 <P4> like on dulcimer
16:34 <P4> marimba, ah
16:34 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
16:34 <DrJoeTron> just rearranged
16:34 <P4> oh :)
16:34 <DrJoeTron> they're reeally fucking expensive
16:34 <P4> can you get more than one tone on pans?
16:34 <DrJoeTron> oh of course!
16:34 <P4> hehe
16:34 <P4> ok
16:34 <DrJoeTron> they have many
16:34 <P4> i thought it's sth like drums :P
16:35 <DrJoeTron> its not just some "plunk" thing
16:35 <DrJoeTron> its a melodic instrument
16:35 <DrJoeTron> in fact theyres many different types of them
16:35 <DrJoeTron> they make, tenors, double tenors, seconds, cello, and bass
16:39 <DrJoeTron> holy crap does Mario Strikers Charged look amazing
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16:39 <DrJoeTron> alright bbl
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16:43 <ghableska> #weather 50266
16:43 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.0°F (9:44 AM CDT on May 27, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.15 in 987.0 hPa (Falling).
16:43 <ghableska> #tea
16:43 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
16:46 <kidd> #sty
16:46 <armabot> kidd: Chico's Brake Boost Styball: Players (5/8): 5teh5egler, Arx Attis, chriscantmiss, G-man, ~{GP}~Alien
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16:48 <P4> anyone plays starcraft here? :}
16:59 <philippeqc> my hobby is coding for AA. If I'm too tired for that, then I should just close the computer, and like read a book ;)
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17:08 <vinavil> i need a complete list of dependencies for debian
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17:11 <MrBougo> bye
17:11 <MrBougo> #google search debian dependencies list
17:11 <armabot> MrBougo: Search took 0.15 seconds: AptitudeTodo - Debian Wiki: <http://wiki.debian.org/AptitudeTodo>; LinuxDevCenter.com -- Installing Software on Debian: <http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/04/06/aptitude_and_apt_get.html?page=2>; Overview of Debian GNU/Linux Package Management: <http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~me/linux/debian.html>; debian [GrmlWiki]: (2 more messages)
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17:12 <vinavil> for arma...
17:15 <philippeqc> start with a fresh, minimal deb install, grab the source, try to compile, not all the missing packages. I'm sorry, but i dont know how its done otherwise.
17:15 <philippeqc> checking the old deb package might give you a base.
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17:56 <gltron> 'ldd' is your friend
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19:24 <vinavil> author? AATeam? z-man?
19:29 <philippeqc> Z-man and the ArmagetronZ
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19:30 <philippeqc> that was a joke btw
19:30 <vinavil> heh
19:31 <vinavil> i put z-man, it is just a test
19:39 <philippeqc> strong form your experience of doing a deb package, could you look into doing a ubuntu one? There is a big demand for them.
19:40 <vinavil> are they different?
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19:57 <vinavil> did i miss anyone?: libstdc++5, libsdl1.2debian, libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libpng12-0, libpng12-dev, libxml2, libxml2-dev, libglu1-mesa, libglu1-mesa-dev, gcc, make, dpkg, dpkg-dev
19:57 <vinavil> or anyone not necessary
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20:01 <zman> the -dev packets should not be required for the binary package.
20:01 <zman> of course, the same applies to gcc, make and dpkg.
20:02 <zman> libglu1-mesa? Is there no more generic libglu available?
20:03 <vinavil> hm
20:05 <vinavil> it seems not
20:07 <vinavil> libglu1-xorg
20:07 <vinavil> is it it?
20:08 <vinavil> libglut3?
20:08 <vinavil> dunno
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> grrr
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> what are those metal things called that you put with tomato plants to give them support?
20:29 <vinavil> tomato plants supporter? :P
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7275 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Bulk of support for old fortress.
20:41 <GodTodd> plant cages?
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20:49 <GodTodd> hrmm...how do you loop until end of file in python?
20:49 * GodTodd thinks.
20:49 <Lucifer_arma> for line in theFileObject:
20:50 <Lucifer_arma> then line is a string, null-terminated
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20:51 <ghableska> #weather 50266
20:51 <ghableska> #tea
20:51 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): dawidh, Gonzap, K alf ñ [nrx], Kamakazi, Monkey, pl@te, Radian, Sithy, ~|DS|~|CruZ|~, ¦×¥ Legit, °¯fLasH, °°qain
20:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 72.1°F (1:50 PM CDT on May 27, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 29.12 in 986.0 hPa (Falling).
20:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: that's the syntax?
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> yep
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> just a simple for loop :)
20:52 <Lucifer_arma> theFileObject is an object you opened with open(theFilename, "r")
20:53 <GodTodd> so like...for line in xmldoc:
20:53 <GodTodd> print recipeNameNode.firstChild.data
20:53 <GodTodd> will print each piece i'm looking for in the xml file?
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, no
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> loading an xml file is a bit different
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> are you trying to load an xml file?
20:56 <GodTodd> yep
20:56 <GodTodd> and read certain fields
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> xml.dom.minidom is what you want
20:57 <GodTodd> i have it drilled down where i want
20:57 <GodTodd> now i just want to print *all* of that field
20:57 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/pyxmlfaq.html#how-do-i-walk-a-dom-tree-and-access-the-information-in-it
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> I ripped that function for my budget program :)
20:58 <GodTodd> heh cool :)
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> it should show all the parts of the api you need :)
21:07 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7276 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gParser.cpp zone/zZoneInfluence.cpp): Re-activated some zoneInfluences to operate on a zones' shape
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21:32 <vinavil> Incam Fortress Tournament in IFC Server right now!
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21:38 <epsy> oj
21:38 <epsy> *oh
21:39 <epsy> #gmtime
21:39 <armabot> epsy: 07:39 PM, May 27, 2007
22:23 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
22:23 <armabot> Vanhayes: disabled
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22:36 <ghableska> #time
22:36 <armabot> ghableska: 10:36 PM, May 27, 2007
22:36 <ghableska> #gmtime
22:36 <armabot> ghableska: 08:36 PM, May 27, 2007
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23:07 <epsy> vinavil, i probably have some of the score table shots if you want
23:07 <epsy> just
23:08 <epsy> °°teall me all what you want
23:08 <epsy> :)
23:08 <vinavil> °teall me what you have
23:09 <epsy> 2 seconds
23:09 <vinavil> passed, ready?
23:10 <vinavil> heh
23:10 <epsy> :P
23:10 <vinavil> tic toc tic toc
23:10 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/arma-team/screenshot_61.png
23:10 <epsy> that should be the 2nd match
23:11 <epsy> seems that's all i got
23:11 <epsy> cu
23:11 <epsy> download it, it's only on my comp
23:11 <vinavil> ok, i didnt get it
23:12 <epsy> lol xD
23:12 <vinavil> changes are members/alives in team, right?
23:12 <epsy> uh ?
23:12 <vinavil> no, what are we talking about?
23:12 <vinavil> the IFC?
23:13 <epsy> what important is on this score table is that team gold won the 2nd match with 102 points against 28 and, that we(you and me) really sucked xD
23:14 <vinavil> ahh
23:14 <vinavil> heheh
23:14 <vinavil> incam is not for me
23:14 <vinavil> but it is funny
23:14 <epsy> the font , :D
23:14 <epsy> ?
23:15 <epsy> vinavil, i have to leave ... so hurry up
23:17 <vinavil> cu
23:17 <vinavil> epsy: i dont know what i have to do, so, np, goodbye
23:20 <epsy> lol
23:20 <epsy> i'ill upload it to the tread
23:24 <epsy> cyas
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23:32 <vinavil> #night
23:32 <armabot> Good night vinavil!
23:32 <vinavil> to you too armabot
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03:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 71.8°F (8:10 PM CDT on May 27, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Falling).
03:09 <akira_> #weather chemnitz
03:09 <armabot> akira_: The current temperature in Chemnitz, Germany is 60.8°F (7:00 PM CEST on May 02, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
03:09 <akira_> goddamn Farenheit..
03:09 <ghableska> #g 60.8 f in c
03:09 <armabot> ghableska: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:10 <ghableska> oh yeah
03:10 <ghableska> #calc math 6-2
03:10 <armabot> ghableska: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
03:10 <ghableska> #math calc 60.8 f in c
03:10 <armabot> ghableska: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
03:10 <akira_> ..
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> #google calc (60.8-32) * 5/9
03:13 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:13 <Your_mom_arma> 16
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> the wiki skin is still displaying all screwy
03:24 <GodTodd> #math calc (60.8-32) * (5/9)
03:24 <armabot> GodTodd: 16
03:30 <ghableska> #weather 50266
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 70.9°F (8:30 PM CDT on May 27, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 29.05 in 983.6 hPa (Falling).
03:34 <DrJoeTron> amnumnumnum
03:36 <ghableska> DrJoeTron: insurgency mod looks fun :D
03:36 <DrJoeTron> hah
03:36 <DrJoeTron> that virtual barbershop thing has its own thread
03:36 <DrJoeTron> its got all of these neat other ones too
03:37 <ghableska> show me! ;p
03:39 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2492534
03:40 <ghableska> barbershop and the matches are my two favorites
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> cutouts
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I figured out what we're going to do and how we're going to do it
03:44 <Lucifer_arma> plywood cutouts
03:47 <GodTodd> we are?
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> we = me and my kids
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> think about it, though
03:48 <GodTodd> oh ok...that's "you are"
03:48 <GodTodd> :P
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> 2 ft x 9 in are needed for each piece
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> a piece of plywood is 4 x 8 feet
03:48 <Lucifer_arma> it's 20 chess pieces per piece of plywood
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> if you build the base with plywood as well, then you get a complete chess set with 3 pieces of plywood
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> cheap plywood is $10/sheet
03:49 <Lucifer_arma> you can get better, of course
03:50 <GodTodd> but not much cheaper ;)
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> right, you can get oak for $20/sheet (I've got the page open on lowes)
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&pad=true&Ne=8000&category=Hardwood%20Plywood%20(Finished%20/%20Cabinet%20Grade)&N=0+5000160
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> it won't be very thick, but that's fine
03:51 <Lucifer_arma> if you double up on plywood for the pieces, you can make crosses
03:52 <Lucifer_arma> where you basically have the piece cutout, and then you place half-pieces orthogonal to it, so from the top it's an x
03:53 <GodTodd> don't need half pieces if you notch them
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> the pieces themselves, if you don't try to optimize plywood usage, come in at 2 ft by 9 inches
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> notch? what do you mean?
03:54 <GodTodd> er...notch *one*
03:54 <GodTodd> have a long notch cut out of the piece you place orthogonal to the solid piece
03:54 <GodTodd> like in the middle
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should use a cad program for this, heh
03:54 <Lucifer_arma> oh, right
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's a possibility too, probably the product will look a lot better
03:55 <GodTodd> it'd hold together fairly well that way, i think
03:55 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to do that, though. I'm going with the single flat piece, and I'll put stabilizers from the scrap
03:55 <GodTodd> ahh
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I think I should use a cad program to draw the pieces
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I can print it, still, that is
03:56 <GodTodd> not going to shape them normally?
03:56 <GodTodd> or are you?
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> see, I want to make traces that I can give the kids and have them cut them out and then trace onto the wood
03:56 <Lucifer_arma> then I'll get my jigsaw and cut the pieces out
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> sand the rough edges, then assemble with the bases
03:57 <Lucifer_arma> then the kids can help paint them :)
03:57 <GodTodd> :)
03:59 * GodTodd goes back to trying to split that dom walker function :/
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04:19 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: what are you going to be building?
04:20 <GodTodd> it's a series of very large anal dildos
04:21 <Your_mom_arma> that's pretty brutal
04:22 <GodTodd> yeah...i keep telling him he's in over his head
04:22 <GodTodd> but he's always been pretty stubborn
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04:41 <GodTodd> goddammit...i just need one of the elements for now :/
04:54 <ghableska> #night
04:54 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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05:59 <GodTodd> w00t :)
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06:47 <GodTodd> hrmm
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07:15 <Lucifer_arma> man, talk abaout getting off task
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> so, do I use cad or inkscape to draw this?
07:19 <GodTodd> cad would probably be better for realworld sizing
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> #m Your_mom_arma I'm going to build a giant chess set
07:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> the question is printing
07:19 <GodTodd> true
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> will qcad go ahead and consume as many pieces of paper as needed to print the drawing to exact size?
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> if so, I'd just as soon use qcad
07:19 <GodTodd> dunno...never used qcad :)
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> since I know how to use it, and I don't know how to use inkscape ;)
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> qt-based 2d autocad clone
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to build qcad from source to use it :(
07:26 <GodTodd> heh
07:26 <GodTodd> i'm debating the best way to alphabetize my recipe list now that i have it printing just the list of names
07:27 <GodTodd> maybe have it populate a list then use the sort() function...
07:27 <GodTodd> hmmm
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08:56 <Lucifer_arma> grrr, inkscape can't export to pdf?
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08:58 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: what are you alphabetizing it for?
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09:04 <Lucifer_arma> what are good search terms that would turn up male dolls targeted for boys and collectors that stand a foot and a half tall?
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> aha, toy soldier :)
09:11 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: aesthetics mostly....and easy navigation
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean, er
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> what kind of widget are you going to put it in? that sort of thing
09:12 <GodTodd> it's going into a list widget
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> because some widgets sort for you, if you provide a cmparison function
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> have you started with model/view yet in pyqt?
09:12 <GodTodd> somewhat
09:13 <GodTodd> i may redo it without worrying about the resizing thing until the end :/
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> because if you provide the stuff needed to allow the view to sort itself, you don't have to worry about sorting anything
09:13 <GodTodd> hmmm
09:13 <GodTodd> that'd work
09:13 <GodTodd> cuz i'll have a list widget and a combobox object eventually...both of which i'll want organized
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chessset/
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09:21 <P4> #ping
09:21 <P4> armabot is oK?
09:21 <armabot> pong
09:21 <P4> armabot: doesn't responce on any CTCPs like ping or version. is it zombie? :)
09:22 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: neat :)
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> I need to hook up my printer and run some test prints so I can see how they'll look
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> probaby dig up some cardboard that's the right size and run an actual test cut :)
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> measure a hundred times, cut once
09:23 <GodTodd> yep
09:23 <P4> oh, it's lagged :|
09:23 <GodTodd> make cardboard templates
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a bad idea, I was just going to use paper templates
09:24 <GodTodd> well...if you're gonna cut cardboard anyway...and it's sturdier for tracing :)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'd probably have all the pieces drawn if my wife hadn't, er, wanted attention
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> it is sturdier for tracing
09:24 <GodTodd> haha
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to see if my neighbor has a better saw for the actual cutting than my jigsaw, although my jigsaw will work
09:33 <GodTodd> true
09:34 <GodTodd> ok...there i got the designer widgets set up...now i'll have to study how to integrate that with what i have so far on my code :)
10:19 <DrJoeTron> i really want mario strikers charge
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chessset/bishop.svg
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> probably need to work some handholds into the bodies of the pieces
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10:42 <Lucifer_arma> yay
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> just need a rook and a pawn
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10:42 * Lucifer_arma wonders how much paint this is going to cost
10:42 * Lucifer_arma wonders even more how much paint in the garage will work
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10:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, there's only 6 types of chess pieces, right?
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chessset/
10:51 <Durka> wrtlprnft: :D
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10:52 <epsy> hi
10:53 <hang3r> Hi, Welcome to lucifer's sex palace how may we help you?
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> those aren't sex toys!
10:54 <epsy> lol
10:54 <hang3r> liar
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> no lie
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> those are going to be used as templates to make a chess set where the king stands 2 feet tall
10:55 <hang3r> that's far too kinky for me... Dirty Dirty old man
10:55 <hang3r> DIRTY
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> I guess those barbs down under haven't discovered civilized gaming yet
10:56 <epsy> (Lucifer_arma, when you've time: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=16511 )
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> (rm)
10:57 <hang3r> barbs as in females? Nah, females are for cooking our food down here
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> barbs as in barbarians
10:57 <hang3r> They are similar
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm aiming for a scale where the squares on the board will be 14 inches on a side
10:58 <hang3r> That's rather large
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> it makes the board 9 feet square
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.chesshouse.com/Giant_Chess_Set_Combo_p/e052.htm <--- aiming for that scale
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> only for a price that'll be somewhat less than $600
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11:04 <Steve14> good morning :)
11:08 <epsy> morning Steve14
11:10 <Steve14> uhm, will be armagetronad dead when ea games release it ? ( EA Games picks up Armagetron Advanced! )
11:11 <DrJoeTron> yes
11:11 <DrJoeTron> it comes out next week
11:11 <DrJoeTron> i preordered at gamestop
11:11 <DrJoeTron> you want the link?
11:12 <DrJoeTron> Steve14 http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=T000562
11:13 <DrJoeTron> that should be it
11:40 <Steve14> DrJoeTron: your link shows Wii Ping Pong ^^
11:40 <DrJoeTron> oh does it?
11:41 <DrJoeTron> http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802611 this is it i swear
11:42 <Steve14> DrJoeTron: forget it
11:42 <DrJoeTron> it was an april fools joke you realize :/
11:43 * Steve14 slaps his head
11:43 <Steve14> *ouch*, that hurts ^^
11:44 <Steve14> didn't saw the date of the news xD
11:46 <DrJoeTron> god damn
11:46 <DrJoeTron> i need to reformat soon
11:47 <Steve14> windows user, DrJoeTron ?
11:47 <DrJoeTron> yup
11:48 <DrJoeTron> i've let it go to hell
11:48 <Steve14> DrJoeTron: poor guy
11:48 <DrJoeTron> so I'm just waiting for the moment that i feel like doing it
11:48 <DrJoeTron> oh yesm
11:48 <DrJoeTron> i'm such a tortured soul
11:49 <DrJoeTron> i reformat every summer
11:49 <DrJoeTron> and try new things out for a year
11:49 * Steve14 doesn't has the problem with his SuSE Linux 10.0 ^^
11:49 <DrJoeTron> WUTS LUNEX?
11:49 <DrJoeTron> i'm not learning another OS
11:50 <DrJoeTron> and I'm not sacrificing compatibilty with 75% of the software i use frequently
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> neither of those are legitimate reasons not to use linux anymore
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> joe, this is 2007
11:51 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma is there a version of Adobe Creative Suite for linux?
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> no
11:51 <DrJoeTron> then no
11:51 <DrJoeTron> I'm not using it
11:51 <DrJoeTron> i need those programs
11:51 <Steve14> DrJoeTron: but The GIMP :P
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you list the features you need instead, and then ask if thsoe features are available in linux?
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> your'e saying "I need a ford", when you really just need a car
11:52 <Steve14> there are many alternatives
11:52 <DrJoeTron> most of the games i have only work with windows
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> most of the games you have very likely work in wine
11:52 <Steve14> and the best thing, the don't cost anything
11:52 <DrJoeTron> not when the rest of the world interms of graphic design uses creative suite :)
11:52 <DrJoeTron> i dont know many printing companies that use GIMP
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'm weird, but every printing company I've dealt with has taken files I could make
11:53 <DrJoeTron> how did this turn into a YOUR OS SUCKS conversation?
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's not
11:53 <DrJoeTron> they have to
11:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's a "YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS" conversation
11:53 <DrJoeTron> because I don;t want to switch to an OS i have no clue how to use, and most of the software I use is not compatibile with it?
11:53 <DrJoeTron> yeah
11:54 <DrJoeTron> HOW IRRATIONAL
11:54 <Steve14> you started with: "i need to reformat soon"
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> great, so let some evil company in seattle determine what you can and can't see/hear/read
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's pretty rational
11:54 <DrJoeTron> i couldn't give a shit about who runs it
11:54 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you just sign away your right to think and get it over with?
11:54 <DrJoeTron> M$ M$ M$
11:54 <DrJoeTron> i didnt even pay for it
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> you're paying for it every day
11:55 <Steve14> Lucifer_arma: let's stop, he wants his os and doesn't want to know about other os :)
11:55 <DrJoeTron> I know the other
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he should ask mkzelda what electronic rights are like
11:55 <DrJoeTron> I refuse to use vista
11:55 <Steve14> that's an easy thing :P
11:55 <DrJoeTron> and probably going to stay on xp untill i have no other choice but to move on to a different os
11:55 <DrJoeTron> no shit
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> then what are you going to do when the rest of the world moves on and you don't?
11:55 <DrJoeTron> fucking horrible os
11:56 <DrJoeTron> uh, upgrade?
11:56 * Lucifer_arma notes people who use DOS can't read MS Word 2003 files
11:56 <DrJoeTron> good thing i dont use DOS
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> good thing
11:57 <DrJoeTron> Adobe CS is pretty fucking important though for me
11:57 <DrJoeTron> since i need it for school and what have you
11:57 <Steve14> have we ever said you have to switch ?
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> I used to have a friend who told me that MSVC was required to be a profesisonal programmer
11:57 <Steve14> Lucifer_arma: lol
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh, yeah, honestly, I couldn't give a rat's ass if you use linux or not. I'm more concerned with the part where you just give away your freedom to whoever asks for it
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> "Please, come and enslave me!"
11:58 <DrJoeTron> where do you get that?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> the internet may be new, but the events happening in this country are not
11:58 <DrJoeTron> google will take the world before microsoft does
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, they're new here
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so?
11:59 <DrJoeTron> should i ride you for "omg u use google ads u puppet"?
11:59 <Steve14> uhm, nobody can rule the world alone
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> sure
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11:59 <DrJoeTron> so the pot called the kettle black :V
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> show me a link
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> show me ONE link where I use google ads
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> :)
12:00 <DrJoeTron> didnt you use them on the wiki?
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> are they there now?
12:00 <DrJoeTron> could never tell, i use adblock
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> didn't they disappear some months ago?
12:00 <Steve14> btw. i wanna play now the current Armagetronad SVN, cya later
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> they were a failure
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> I think we got all of $6 for it the whole time it was running
12:00 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> actually, probably more like $20, but still a failure
12:01 <DrJoeTron> how long were they up for?
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> couple of months
12:01 <DrJoeTron> ah
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> it was in march or so that I took them down
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't even do it intentionally, I just switched the default skin to wrtlprnft's skin, noticed the ads gone a few days later and decided not to care about it
12:02 <DrJoeTron> hah
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> same with my website
12:02 <DrJoeTron> when I upgrade I'm going to dual boot with some form of linux
12:02 <Lucifer_arma> but when we get the nautilus site up, they'll be there loud and clear
12:03 <DrJoeTron> i've got a friend who's close enough to help me with ubuntu
12:03 <DrJoeTron> nautilus?
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
12:03 <DrJoeTron> wasat>
12:03 <Lucifer_arma> moved all the stuff that makes liberals puke and conservatives red-faced from my site and have it in a holding pen
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> I need to do some more work to gensite before nautilus can launch
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> not hard work, just work
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> higher priorities right now, like my stupid budget program
12:04 <Lucifer_arma> so nautilus is on my summer to-do list
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
12:05 <armabot> pong
12:05 <Lucifer_arma> er, why is my server not responding?
12:05 <Durka> #pong
12:05 <Durka> #ding
12:05 <armabot> dong
12:05 <DrJoeTron> #pork
12:05 <DrJoeTron> LINEX
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12:06 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, here you go, joe
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/chessset/
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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12:07 <DrJoeTron> you make these?
12:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
12:07 <DrJoeTron> purdy :v
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> I'm supposed to make them into templates to cut out from plywood
12:08 <Lucifer_arma> the king is 2' tall :)
12:08 <DrJoeTron> holy hell
12:09 <DrJoeTron> btw Lucifer_arma does wine support Direct X 9?
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> as far as I know, yes
12:09 <DrJoeTron> hmm
12:09 <DrJoeTron> i think i talked to invader about that
12:10 <DrJoeTron> and he said it was kind of a disaster
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> wine is nearing a 1.0 release, which means they're almost there for compatibility
12:10 <DrJoeTron> lemme know when it reaches compatibility :9
12:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't do anything with any directx programs, so I wouldn't have any idea if it worked or not
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> and the last program I tried to run didn't install for some reason
12:11 <DrJoeTron> most of my programs use it :/
12:11 <DrJoeTron> aka video games
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> (Quicken 2002, which runs fine in wine if you have a windows installation where it can use microsoft dlls)
12:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'd suggest finding new games
12:12 <DrJoeTron> noted and put in the to do list pile
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> the adobe CS thing is a valid concern because you're aiming to draw a living off it, but games are a dime a dozen
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> and there's a lot of awesome games for linux :)
12:12 <Lucifer_arma> my kids have been playing Drunken Angry Dwarves
12:12 <DrJoeTron> make sure they never see half life :/
12:13 <DrJoeTron> other wise you might disown them when the sneakretly create a windows partition with steam on it
12:13 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'll use the password in the bios feature as needed
12:13 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I intend that by the time they're 12, they'll have their own computers each
12:14 <DrJoeTron> i wonder how easy it is to crack the bios password
12:14 <DrJoeTron> isn't still limted to like 6 characters?
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty damn easy
12:14 <Lucifer_arma> just stick a jumper on
12:15 <DrJoeTron> my friend gave me this program that can find up to 12 characters for logging into XP
12:15 <DrJoeTron> it just boots from CD
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
12:15 <epsy> man
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's really freaking late, and I need to get to bed
12:15 <DrJoeTron> more like really freaking early
12:15 <epsy> you don't even need to crack windows passwords
12:15 <Lucifer_arma> but if anybody manages to make any of those plywood cutouts before I do, take some pictures :)
12:15 <DrJoeTron> epsy tell me about it
12:15 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:15 <epsy> just press f8 at start and you have the admin account all for you
12:16 <DrJoeTron> for safe mode?
12:16 <epsy> yes
12:16 <DrJoeTron> uh
12:16 <DrJoeTron> i still have to log in
12:16 <epsy> there's an account then, which isn't displayed normally
12:16 <epsy> « Administrator »
12:16 <DrJoeTron> thats what its set to right now
12:17 <epsy> which has no password ...
12:17 <DrJoeTron> which does...
12:17 <epsy> then you did set one
12:17 <DrJoeTron> yup?
12:17 <DrJoeTron> i've got this program that finds all of that and gives you the passwords
12:17 <epsy> (or your children)
12:18 <DrJoeTron> nah i set the passwords on my pc
12:18 <epsy> i have some on my hd too
12:18 <DrJoeTron> one day i saw my pc and found AOL installed on it
12:18 <epsy> xD
12:18 <DrJoeTron> because my dad decided he wanted to use my pc
12:18 <DrJoeTron> even though I built him his own to destroy
12:19 <DrJoeTron> so i password protected it
12:19 <epsy> lol
12:19 <DrJoeTron> because aol is a real bitch to get rid of
12:19 <epsy> you don't have such kind of pest programs on linux
12:20 <epsy> at least when you keep using the software your distro provides
12:20 <DrJoeTron> oh god no
12:20 <DrJoeTron> i'm not stupid
12:21 <DrJoeTron> the only computer i'd buy at a store is a laptop
12:21 <DrJoeTron> i have my own copy of windows with some edited stuff on it
12:21 <DrJoeTron> i forgot what was removed
12:21 <epsy> the « enter serial number » widget code ? :o)
12:22 <DrJoeTron> wait no, this is a vanilla install
12:22 <DrJoeTron> Xp Pro
12:22 <DrJoeTron> i remember trying those whacky use made versions of windows
12:22 <DrJoeTron> and then "wheres embedded video?
12:23 <DrJoeTron> why is my keyboard set up for the european standard
12:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah this will not do.
12:23 <epsy> °°
12:23 <DrJoeTron> it had some other horrible things with it
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13:07 <mkzelda> lol I've been playing as _.-~{[(SP)]}~-._ and I just had an angry mob of SP'ers ask me to "REMOVE THE SP TAGS"
13:08 <mkzelda> "hai you guys like Smashing Pumpkins too?!"
13:08 <mkzelda> "lol what are sp tags and how do I remove them"
13:08 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda
13:08 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:08 <DrJoeTron> i want in
13:09 <mkzelda> it was just going on in cafe
13:09 <mkzelda> "oh im sorry i just like Smashing Pumpkins I didnt someone patented the letters S and P"
13:09 <mkzelda> the funny thing is that they claim my version was also their tag
13:09 <mkzelda> my version is so long it wont fit the nicklist
13:10 <mkzelda> so clearly its not an acceptable tag as they cant put their name after it
13:10 <mkzelda> i made it excessively long as a joke to imitate how they made theirs longer and longer
13:12 * mkzelda renamed to _,~-=+*:;$?!#&@%"'^`</({[|~*SP*! PsYKo|]})\>`^'"%@#!?$*;:+=-~,_.
13:13 <mkzelda> im in sumo bar now, there are 2 sp'ers
13:13 <mkzelda> oh nm
13:13 <mkzelda> map error
13:13 <mkzelda> i get that problem all the damn time
13:17 <mkzelda> k
13:17 <mkzelda> now im in the bar
13:20 <mkzelda> how funny these guys think im sp freaky, whoever that is
13:27 <_Sticky_> hes a good player
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13:33 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda I just joined the Young Armagetron Players
13:33 <DrJoeTron> was made leader
13:33 <DrJoeTron> changed it to the Young Ape Patrol
13:33 <mkzelda> heh
13:33 <DrJoeTron> and as leader
13:33 <DrJoeTron> kicked the leader out
13:34 <mkzelda> hows that?
13:34 <DrJoeTron> no one misrepresents the young ape patrol
13:34 <DrJoeTron> i said so
13:34 <DrJoeTron> and he freaked out
13:34 <DrJoeTron> NO
13:34 <DrJoeTron> NO YOU CANT DO THAT
13:34 <mkzelda> haha
13:34 <DrJoeTron> IL GET YOU BANNED
13:34 <DrJoeTron> You are you to yell at your leader
13:34 <DrJoeTron> thats not ape patrol material
13:34 <mkzelda> how did u get made leader?
13:34 <DrJoeTron> "if u join i mak u leader"
13:35 <mkzelda> lol
13:35 <mkzelda> woulda been funny to say "MUAHAHA I'M 35 years old!!!"
13:36 <DrJoeTron> hahahaha
13:36 <epsy> mkzelda, you was {{{{{SP}}}}}} ?
13:37 <mkzelda> i was _.-~{[(SP)]}~-._
13:37 <epsy> xD
13:37 <mkzelda> i've used that name for months
13:37 <mkzelda> nobody paid any attention till today
13:38 <DrJoeTron> mkzelda are you still playing
13:40 <mkzelda> i just quit
13:40 <mkzelda> ive been playing like 5 hrs
13:40 <mkzelda> heh
13:40 <DrJoeTron> :/
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13:43 <_Sticky_> given that most tron players are younger than 20 is there much need for a young association
13:44 <mkzelda> i think it means pre-pubescent
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13:53 <mkzelda> DrJoeTron: u should be "Prime Mate"
13:54 <mkzelda> Leader of ape patrol gets the title of "Prime Mate"
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16:20 <ghableska> #weather 50266
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16:32 <ghableska> DrJoeTron:
16:33 <DrJoeTron> wadup
16:33 <DrJoeTron> whas u want ghableska
16:33 <ghableska> nothing :p
16:34 <DrJoeTron> ko
16:34 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2495953&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
16:36 <ghableska> ...
16:36 <DrJoeTron> this site has paid for itself so many times in entertainment
16:37 <ghableska> heh
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> oh boy
16:38 <DrJoeTron> funs over
16:39 * GodTodd missed fun?
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16:41 <kidanger> Hi !
16:41 <DrJoeTron> nah
16:41 <DrJoeTron> brb
16:42 <kidanger> #t fr en Paradie
16:42 <kidanger> arg
16:47 <DrJoeTron> my god
16:47 <DrJoeTron> legends of the hidden temple is on
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16:47 <DrJoeTron> its like watching a time capsule in action
16:47 <DrJoeTron> of the 90's
16:47 <GodTodd> where've you been? that's been on for weeks now
16:47 <DrJoeTron> since when?
16:48 <DrJoeTron> is it 1995 and no one told me?
16:48 <GodTodd> since the last time everyone changed their show lineups
16:51 <GodTodd> yes, joe...we secretly put you in a time machine when you were sleeping...make sure not to touch anything and definitely don't meet yourself
16:52 <epsy> #help echo
16:52 <epsy> oh noes
16:52 <epsy> no bot for 2 weeks :o
16:53 -!- epsy is now known as armabot
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16:54 <ghableska> ?
16:54 <epsy> armabot's gone
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16:58 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd awesome
16:58 <DrJoeTron> want to come with me to the movies today then?
16:58 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to go see the Phantom
16:59 <kidanger> epsy: Le script "!roulette" peux être mis individuellement ?
16:59 <DrJoeTron> my mom will drive
17:00 <epsy> kidanger, quoi ??
17:00 <epsy> http://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijk.com/
17:00 <kidanger> epsy: Je veux dire: Est-ce que on peux mettre "!roulette" sur un serveur sans tout le reste
17:00 <epsy> ah
17:00 <epsy> c'est faisable
17:01 <kidanger> Comment on "met" un script sur un serveur ?
17:02 <epsy> ?? xD
17:02 <kidanger> alors ?
17:03 <epsy> g pas compris là ...
17:03 <kidanger> bah ..
17:04 <kidanger> Tu as modifié directement "dedicated" pour tes script ?
17:05 <epsy> non
17:05 <epsy> enfin, si un peu
17:05 <epsy> mais pour roulette y'en a pas besoin
17:05 <kidanger> hmm
17:05 <kidanger> doc faut faire comment ^^ ?
17:06 <kidanger> donc*4
17:06 <kidanger> donc*
17:06 <epsy> hmmm
17:06 <epsy> tu peux pas attendre que j'ai fini le truc en entier , :D
17:06 <epsy> ?
17:06 <kidanger> ok ok
17:11 <GodTodd> je ne parle pas francais
17:13 <kidanger> le truc = ?
17:17 <epsy> tout le bordel de mon script en gros
17:17 <kidanger> De tout tes script ?
17:18 <epsy> bon, ce qu'il faut que tu comprennes, c'est que les !delire, !script trucmuche... c'est loin d'etre mon but dans ce que je fais là
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17:19 <kidanger> oui
17:20 <kidanger> Un des buts c'est les privs ?
17:20 <epsy> c'est l'un des buts
17:21 <epsy> et c'est justement l'un des trucs que je suis en train de refaire
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17:21 <kidanger> Bon je te laisse bosser
17:21 <epsy> sniff
17:21 <kidanger> bye
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17:22 <Hagane> hey guys i have tron how can i play online?
17:22 <_Sticky_> start it up
17:23 <_Sticky_> go to network->insternet then select a server
17:23 <_Sticky_> internet even
17:23 <Hagane> that's all?
17:24 <_Sticky_> "game->network game->internet game" even
17:24 <_Sticky_> yup thats it
17:24 <_Sticky_> hit enter on the server you like
17:24 <_Sticky_> use the left right arrows to change the sort order...you probably want to sort by number of players
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17:42 <epsy> it's true, that online play is well hidden :/
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19:14 <kidanger> epsy: re Tu bosses encore ??
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19:35 <MrBougo> helo
19:38 <ghableska> hey MrBougo
19:39 <MrBougo> #ghab :)
19:39 <ghableska> no armabot :p
19:54 <MrBougo> wtf!
19:54 <MrBougo> anyways it's your new name
19:54 <MrBougo> i'll call you #ghab
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20:51 <ghableska_> hi Vanhayes
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20:55 <P4> anyone can tell my quit reason at 28May07 11:24:53 gmt+2?
20:58 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska
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21:17 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:18 <Vanhayes> oh, no armabot
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> Donde esta armabot?
21:37 <GodTodd> el armabot es muerto
21:40 <GodTodd> el sexo era demasiado áspero
21:40 <Vanhayes> armabot est merde
21:42 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, are you going to use any culture in your civ game?
21:42 <Vanhayes> like in civ 3
21:44 * Vanhayes found Civ 3 on the computer a few weeks ago
21:44 <Vanhayes> er, on This* computer
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21:58 <luke-jr_> I'm back
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22:09 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: dont' know, you'll have to 'splain it to me
22:12 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6698753.stm
22:12 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, it controls your borders, and how the ai treats you
22:13 <Vanhayes> so at first, your city/civ has borders only one square out, and can only gain resource from things in those squres
22:14 <Vanhayes> with improvements such as temples,walls courthouses barracks, etc it increases your cultur rating
22:15 <Vanhayes> wonders increase cultur rating even more, so that your borders, and area of control expand
22:16 <Vanhayes> If a civ with a high culture builds a city close enough to another civ with a lower culture, that city might join your civs, and vice versa
22:18 <Vanhayes> with the ais, if your culture is high enough it can make them want to differ to you more, so that if you propose a trade the wouldnt like if your culture were equal, they would take it if you had a high culture
22:21 <Vanhayes> it adds a different aspect to the game, you can send a settler into another countries territoy, then build wonders like crazy in it and if it close to another city it can join you, so you conquer it without evenbreaking peace with that civ
22:35 <P4> #t es en 28May07 214214 <GodTodd> el sexo era demasiado áspero
22:36 <P4> what's going on with armabot?
22:36 <MaZuffeR> she's on vacation with wrtl
22:37 <P4> my bounce server is down too
22:37 <P4> it happens in same time maybe :P
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23:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, my rayovac charger takes the same fancy batteries that energizer says they can recharge in 15 minutes
23:32 * Lucifer_arma googled it, it takes NiMH batteries
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: that sounds like something I was interested in
23:54 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
23:54 <mkzelda> oh ya
23:54 <mkzelda> if the bots down thats not gonna work huh
23:59 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: doesn't mean it will actually do it
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:59 <luke-jr_> IIRC, the Rayovac chargers won't try the 15 min unless its their battery
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, because that's not the point
23:59 <luke-jr_> ok
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's a bootstrapping issue, means I can start buying the batteries and use my existing charger
00:00 <luke-jr_> i see
00:00 <luke-jr_> my Rayovac charges in 15 min
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> and then later, when I'm ready, I can buy the energizer charger, and then I'll have two chargers for my batteries
00:00 <luke-jr_> it's really more like 30-45 min tho
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know that mine does, but I'm not terribly worried about it
00:00 <luke-jr_> cuz they're too hot to handle for quite some time later
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> what's important is that I know what batteries it takes, whether they're energizers or not
00:01 <luke-jr_> unless I throw them in the freezer, anyhow
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I'm doing something really dumb, I think
00:01 <luke-jr_> ?
00:02 <luke-jr_> the 15-minute chargers need a fan, pretty sure
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I could just hook up my printer to the new computer and use it there instead of trying to get it to work on the server
00:02 <luke-jr_> heh
00:02 <luke-jr_> KDE makes printing easy
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> this one requires installing extra drivers, conveniently provided by the manufacturer
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> I need to get some test prints of my templates so I can see if they're scaled right :/
00:03 <luke-jr_> print to PDF?
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> from inkscape?
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm open to suggestions
00:03 <luke-jr_> shrug
00:03 <luke-jr_> IIRC, you can still call kprinter from GTK
00:04 <luke-jr_> could always just change your resolution too
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> haha, it'll save as pdf
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00:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, I need a physical copy at some point
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> I want to make a cardboard cutout for each piece so I can see how they stand next to each other
00:06 <luke-jr_> so avoid printers that suck :)
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> maybe ultimately try taking some measurements to compute center of mass, but I'm probably not going to
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'll just figure out some way to lower center of mass
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> my printer doesn't suck, gentoo sucks
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> never had any problems gettin this printer to work in mandriva and kubuntu, but gentoo is a pain
00:06 <luke-jr_> or maybe you just don't know how to use it
00:07 <luke-jr_> do you have USE='gimp-print ppds' etc?
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter anyway, I'm tearing down the server this summer sometime and rebuilding it with ubuntu
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> laptop too, but it'll be kubuntu, of course
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> tired of having different distributions, right now I've got 3 different distributions running! What a pain
00:09 <Lucifer_arma> get it down to just one that works and stick with that, I think
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00:19 <Lucifer_arma> haha, got the server to print
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> had to reboot it for some reason to get it to see the printer, though
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00:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> how do I print an image and have it automatically add pages as needed as long as it prints the whole thing?
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01:46 <mkzelda> is there a way I can make armagetron avoid my http_proxy variable?
01:47 <mkzelda> i figured out that is what is causing it to fail downloading maps
01:47 <mkzelda> but i need it set for other things
01:47 <luke-jr_> unset http_proxy
01:47 <mkzelda> but i need it set for other things
01:47 <luke-jr_> so don't unset it for those other things
01:48 <mkzelda> man it was so much nicer when you were pretending to /ignore more
01:48 <mkzelda> *me
01:50 <luke-jr_> per-application env vars is not a job for each apP!
01:50 <mkzelda> i dont recall saying it was
01:50 <mkzelda> tho often times, programs contain options
01:50 <mkzelda> pretty crazy concept
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02:00 <Lucifer_arma> damn, the king came out short
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's only a foot and a half tall
02:01 <Lucifer_arma> :(
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> ok, building qcad :/
02:10 <Lucifer_arma> er, maybe not
02:32 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: programs contain options specific to them; global options are handler higher up
02:38 <mkzelda> thats funny cause i have tons of programs that let me specify my proxy address
02:39 <mkzelda> i was only asking if aa had the option
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02:52 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:52 <Your_mom_arma> oh :(
02:58 <GodTodd> <ToddBot> pong
02:58 <Your_mom_arma> :D
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05:43 <Arma204> hi
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05:52 <epsy> hi
06:06 <mkzelda> As a token of our appreciation for being our valued BellSouth online customer, we would like to offer you this exciting opportunity to take a free personality quiz, a $24.95 value.
06:06 <mkzelda> its a standard myers-briggs personality profile... the only way it has a $24.95 value is if they take that off my bill
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07:13 <MrBougo> hello :)
07:13 <MrBougo> still no armabot :(
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07:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, cool
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> print using kde's poster mode, print B2 to A4 should work, but I'm doing B2 to us letter (even though I think I've got A4 paper)
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08:10 <Durka> mkzelda: http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7797/cyclewheelxv0.png
08:10 <Durka> rename it, etc
08:11 <Durka> it's not that see-able, but it's kinda cool :D
08:12 <mkzelda> nice
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08:16 <Lucifer_arma> wow, a drive-by
08:17 <mkzelda> how am i supposed to know what the weather is w/o armabot?
08:17 <GodTodd> window?
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a neato firefox plugin
08:18 <GodTodd> what's your zip?
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> for example, it's now cloudy and 70F, tonight it'll be 67, and tomorrow it'll be 85
08:18 <mkzelda> its always slowed firefox to a grinding halt on any machine ive tried it
08:18 <mkzelda> 27545
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> there's also weather.com
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> and for inaccurate bullshit, you can try accuweather.com
08:19 <mkzelda> yea... but then the joke isnt as funny
08:19 <GodTodd> <ToddBot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 63.9°F (2:20 AM EDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady).
08:19 <GodTodd> :)
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, when you submit it to bash.org, make sure not to include anything under my "haha" line
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you just tell toddbot to join?
08:20 <GodTodd> cuz it offends luke-jr_'s sensibilities i guess
08:20 <GodTodd> heh
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> just rename him so durka doesn't know he's a bot
08:20 <mkzelda> whoa your bot says its hedingham
08:20 <mkzelda> altho misspelled, its the first time i recognized the name
08:20 <GodTodd> heh
08:20 <mkzelda> armabot says all kinds of crazy stuff, NE raleigh, winchester, lizard lick
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> odd, they both use weather.com
08:21 <mkzelda> heddingham is like 2 miles from here
08:21 <GodTodd> lizard lick...now how do you get a name like that?
08:21 <GodTodd> nvm...don't wanna know
08:21 <GodTodd> heh
08:21 <mkzelda> i dont know... ive never seen a lizard lick around here
08:21 <mkzelda> or winchester
08:21 <mkzelda> and i know the area well
08:21 <mkzelda> and its not NE raleigh either
08:21 <GodTodd> i'm not far from Gunbarrel City :)
08:21 <GodTodd> an hour or so
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> I finally got the templates to print actual size :)
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> now I need some packing tape
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> or some other transparent, thick tape
08:23 <GodTodd> to stiffen them?
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> to attach the pages and to stiffen the edges
08:23 <GodTodd> ahhh
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> takes 15 pages to print the king, I expect the others to be similar because of their shapes
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> but I figure I'll tape the edges on both the front and the back, then have the kids cut along the line
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> that should give a good, stiff edge for a pen or marker or something
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how I'll do it for the cardboard, maybe just pick a pen that slides easily along the cardboard
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I explained the plan to the kids today, though, and they're excited, but confused
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> they don't understand why we're going to make 1 cardboard prototype for each piece, which is 6 prototypes, and then make 32 pieces
08:25 <GodTodd> heh...i can't invite my bot :P
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> #join #armagetron
08:26 <GodTodd> then i have to go upstairs :/
08:26 <GodTodd> heh
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> ?
08:26 <GodTodd> it's running on the server upstairs
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> you can't just go into the channel, identify yourself with him, then say that?
08:26 <GodTodd> dunno
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> you can, as long as it knows you're the admin
08:28 <GodTodd> hmmm identifying isn't working :/
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> not working for me either, and he's not msging me back
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> maybe he's not identified with nickserv?
08:29 <GodTodd> yeah...that's it :/
08:29 <GodTodd> how do i register him?
08:30 <mkzelda> u /msg nickserv help... but its /msg nickserv register i believe
08:30 <GodTodd> to do my own nick...yeah
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> tell him to change his name to somethin else, then change your name to ToddBot and register with nickserv
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> then set the appropriate supybot config items, change your name back, then change his name back
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> you might have to shut him down to set those config items sincce you can't identify to him right now
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> you might have to shut him down to do it all, apparently
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the chess pieces are updated to 0.7mm line width, which is what drafters use
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> easier to cut consistently
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what possessed me to do 1/5 inch line width, that's just unbelievably large when you intend to cut precisely
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, can I just paint something with acrylic finish and have it be weather-proof?
08:38 <mkzelda> not with the hurricane season we're supposed to see this year
08:39 <mkzelda> its sad when ppl here are welcoming a hurricane as its our only means to get some rain
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09:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I'm going to have to price boat varnish
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> newspaper is cheap, and so is flour and water (I have that on hand)
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> paper mache looks like a really strong contender for 3d chess pieces
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> but if I'm going to do paper mache, I should make a half-scale set first and learn how to do it
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, papier mache it is
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09:21 <KING> hi
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09:23 <arctanx> 17:23 -!- Irssi: Starting query in FreeNode with KING
09:23 <arctanx> 17:23 <KING> hi
09:23 <arctanx> o_O
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09:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.papiermache.co.uk/exec/cms-documents/s-tutorials/p-view/id-51/page-1/ <--- we have a winner
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10:56 <GodTodd> dammit...i give up :/
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13:08 <epsy> hi
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15:00 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: no problem with toddbot until he spamms
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17:13 <MrBougo> hello
17:14 <epsy> hay MrBougo
17:17 <MrBougo> hay
17:17 <MrBougo> english oral exam tomorrow
17:18 <epsy> good luck ? :D
17:18 <MrBougo> yep
17:18 <MrBougo> it'll be ok :)
17:18 <MrBougo> 10ppl on benmachine wtf
17:18 <MrBougo> i'm joining... dlding benmachine 19
17:19 <epsy> MrBougo, sur tremx y'a highrise ^^
17:19 <MrBougo> highrise?
17:19 <MrBougo> kezako
17:19 <epsy> tu sais le map de merde là
17:19 <MrBougo> connais pas
17:19 <epsy> tss
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19:31 <MrBougo> helo!
19:38 <epsy> har MrBougo =)
19:38 <MrBougo> hat epsy
19:38 <epsy> *hay
19:38 <epsy> :P
19:40 <luke-jr_work> http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/30/open-source-c-mm-n-car-hits-amsterdam/
19:42 <epsy> heh
19:49 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/screenshots/Laugh1 <3
20:00 <MrBougo> luke-jr_work: how do you compile this?
20:01 <MrBougo> eps?
20:01 <MrBougo> you should add an extension :D
20:02 <MrBougo> epsy:
20:05 <luke-jr_work> MrBougo: wtf?
20:05 <MrBougo> twas a joke luke, a joke
20:05 <MrBougo> :D
20:05 <MrBougo> it's open source => how do you compile it
20:07 <luke-jr_work> ...
20:07 <luke-jr_work> with metal working tools
20:07 <MrBougo> MWT Compiler
20:08 <MrBougo> :D
20:08 <GodTodd> too bad armabot isn't here :/ i would reference #joke...
20:09 <MrBougo> :((((
20:10 <MrBougo> i hope this wasnt irony GodTodd
20:10 <MrBougo> was it? D:
20:10 <GodTodd> ?
20:10 <MrBougo> i think i dont get what #joke means
20:10 <GodTodd> it was a statement on the fact that luke-jr_work has no sense of humor
20:10 <MrBougo> oh ok
20:10 <GodTodd> that was why i put #joke in the aliases in the first place
20:10 <MrBougo> i thought you wanted to put my amazing joke in some amazing database
20:11 <GodTodd> nope
20:11 <GodTodd> it was something to the effect that "all humor has been expunged from this channel"
20:13 <MrBougo> :p
20:13 <MrBougo> bye :
20:13 <MrBougo> gtg
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20:51 <epsy> what did mrbougo want from me ?
20:54 <mkzelda> http://www.drnatura.com/picture_gallery.html
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21:41 <GodTodd> man...this is driving me nuts :/
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22:24 <GodTodd> cool...think i got it finally
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22:26 <Lucifer_arma> eek, still no armabot?
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> !weather 78717
22:26 <Lucifer_arma> why do these damn macbooks keep going to sleep?
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22:41 <Lucifer_arma> man, my Transaction class is just a big hairy mess
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23:07 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: i'd bring in my bot as a sub but he's banned :P
23:08 <ghableska> aw
23:09 <DrJoeTron> really?
23:09 <DrJoeTron> who would do something so monstrous and horrible
23:09 <DrJoeTron> JUST WHO
23:10 <GodTodd> 3 guesses...and the first two don't count
23:10 <GodTodd> :)
23:10 <DrJoeTron> was it ghableska?
23:10 <GodTodd> heh
23:10 <DrJoeTron> it was ghableska wasnt it
23:10 <DrJoeTron> ghableska you're an ass
23:10 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz he *hates* that weather plugin ;)
23:11 <DrJoeTron> i just got back from a bike ride
23:11 <DrJoeTron> i sorta wanna die
23:11 <DrJoeTron> and i feel great at the same time
23:11 <DrJoeTron> I'm gonna go nap
23:11 <DrJoeTron> in a sec i mean
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23:12 <GodTodd> there we go :)
23:12 <GodTodd> !weather
23:12 <BotSub> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 78.3°F (3:46 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling).
23:12 <DrJoeTron> i went about 20 miles today
23:12 <GodTodd> pfft...get a car
23:13 <DrJoeTron> more like pfft. get in shape
23:13 <DrJoeTron> and i gots a car
23:13 <DrJoeTron> it goes vroom
23:13 <GodTodd> pfft...it's the american dream to die young and out of shape
23:13 <GodTodd> besides...round *is* a shape
23:15 <GodTodd> only thing is...my bot doesn't have the arma specific stuff :/
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23:24 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_arma] by ChanServ
23:24 <@Lucifer_arma> hmmm, how do I unban someone?
23:25 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!supybot@pool-71-170-89-192.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] by Lucifer_arma
23:25 <@Lucifer_arma> bring him in
23:25 <@Lucifer_arma> er, he's here
23:25 <GodTodd> yeah...he was just banned by name apparently
23:25 <GodTodd> :)
23:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer_arma] by Lucifer_arma
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> !weather 78717
23:26 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Round Rock, Texas is 84.6°F (4:28 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.44 in 996.8 hPa (Falling).
23:26 <GodTodd> had to reinstall the sucker to get owner privs back on it
23:26 <GodTodd> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> haha
23:31 <GodTodd> !c 432*5423
23:31 <BotSub> GodTodd: 2342736
23:32 <ghableska> !weather 50266
23:32 <BotSub> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 81.7°F (4:30 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect from Wednesday afternoon through late Wednesday night...
23:32 <ghableska> :D!
23:32 <GodTodd> :)
23:32 <ghableska> !list alias
23:32 <BotSub> ghableska: add, c, calc, lock, q, remove, and unlock
23:32 * ghableska gives GodTodd a cookie
23:34 <ghableska> http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9723221-7.html
23:40 <GodTodd> !praise GodTodd
23:40 <BotSub> GodTodd: Error: There are no praises in my database for #armagetron.
23:40 <GodTodd> bah
23:40 <GodTodd> !praise GodTodd
23:40 * BotSub GodTodd is blessed with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:42 <GodTodd> !praise GodTodd
23:42 * BotSub GodTodd is blessed with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:42 <GodTodd> !praise GodTodd
23:42 * BotSub GodTodd is blessed with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:42 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:42 <GodTodd> ah well
23:42 <GodTodd> heh
23:45 <GodTodd> !weather 75023
23:45 <BotSub> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 79.7°F (4:46 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Falling).
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> !praise list
23:50 * BotSub list gets 15 minutes of being a god.
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> er
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> those praises are fucked up
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> !list praise
23:50 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> !praise get
23:51 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: (praise get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the $type with id <id> from the $type database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> !praise get 1
23:51 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Praise #1: "$who is blessed with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool." (added by GodTodd at 04:43 PM, May 29, 2007)
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> !praise change 1 blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:51 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> !praise change 1 blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:52 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'blesses Lucifer_arma with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.' is not a valid regular expression.
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> !praise change 1 "blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool."
23:52 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'blesses Lucifer_arma with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.' is not a valid regular expression.
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> !help praise
23:52 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: (praise [<channel>] [<id>] <who|what> [for <reason>]) -- Praises <who|what> (for <reason>, if given). If <id> is given, uses that specific praise. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:52 <GodTodd> !praise Lucifer_arma
23:52 * BotSub Lucifer_arma gets 15 minutes of being a god.
23:52 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:52 <GodTodd> !praise Lucifer_arma
23:52 * BotSub Lucifer_arma gets 15 minutes of being a god.
23:53 <GodTodd> i removed that one
23:53 <GodTodd> heh
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> !help praise add
23:53 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: (praise add [<channel>] <text>) -- Adds <text> to the praise database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:53 <GodTodd> errr..it's channel specific
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> !help praise change
23:53 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: (praise change [<channel>] <id> <regexp>) -- Changes the praise with id <id> according to the regular expression <regexp>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> aha
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> !praise add "blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool."
23:53 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded. Praise #3 added.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> !praise GodTodd 3
23:53 * BotSub blesses GodTodd 3 with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> !praise 3 GodTodd
23:53 * BotSub blesses GodTodd with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> !praise 2 GodTodd
23:54 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no praise with id #2.
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> !praise 1 GodTodd
23:54 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no praise with id #1.
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> !praise add gives $who a tiny but exciting ****job.
23:54 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded. Praise #6 added.
23:55 <GodTodd> !praise Lucifer_arma
23:55 * BotSub 1 blesses Lucifer_arma with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> !praise 6 luke-jr_
23:55 * BotSub gives luke-jr_ a tiny but exciting ****job.
23:55 <GodTodd> haha
23:55 <GodTodd> !list praise
23:55 <BotSub> GodTodd: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 1
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Error: There is no Praise with id #1 in my database for #armagetron.
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> !praise stats
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 2
23:56 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: There are 3 praises in my database.
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Error: There is no Praise with id #2 in my database for #armagetron.
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 3
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Praise #3: "blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool." (added by Lucifer_arma at 04:56 PM, May 29, 2007)
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 4
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Praise #4: "blesses $who with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool." (added by GodTodd at 04:56 PM, May 29, 2007)
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 5
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Error: There is no Praise with id #5 in my database for #armagetron.
23:56 <GodTodd> !praise get 6
23:56 <BotSub> GodTodd: Praise #6: "gives $who a tiny but exciting ****job." (added by Lucifer_arma at 04:57 PM, May 29, 2007)
23:56 <GodTodd> 3,4 and 6 apparently
23:56 <GodTodd> heh
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Log from 2007-05-30:
--- Day changed Wed May 30 2007
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> man, I can't believe I wrote 1000 lines of code for the ledger and it didn't work
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00:12 <GodTodd> heh...i'm currently trying to merge my nodewalker routine into a listview method i found
00:12 <GodTodd> hasn't worked too well so far :/
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00:35 <Lucifer_arma> models
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> man, use a model and you can build the tree directly from the dom
00:36 <GodTodd> ?
00:36 <GodTodd> i'll have to look that up in a bit
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> my problem is having to change the model for a previous database style to a new database style, where the api for the database was hacked together
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> a combination of "this is good design" and "this is bad design, but makes it work and I'll fix it later"
00:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, later is here, and I'm fixing it now
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> if I hadn't been so noncommittal with the way split transactions were handled before, it would be a lot easier now
00:38 <GodTodd> heh
00:38 <Lucifer_arma> instead, I'm having to commit now, not knowing if I'm committing to the right model, but doing it anyway because I don't want be screwed by being noncommittal (which is what I have now)
00:39 <Lucifer_arma> the next class should be starting soon, so I'm expecting the instructor to walk in any minute to talk over her labs
00:41 * GodTodd has school again starting tomorrow :/
00:41 <Lucifer_arma> school started today here, heh
00:42 <GodTodd> M-R 1pm to 5:10pm i have calc I (this week notwithstanding when it's only W-R)
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00:42 <Lucifer_arma> what day is R?
00:42 <GodTodd> thursday
00:43 <GodTodd> MTWRFSU
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> here it's MTWUFSSun
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> wit,t hat's not right
00:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's MTWHFSU
00:43 <GodTodd> heh
00:44 <GodTodd> you guys are weird :P
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> most of the catalog does T/Th anyway
00:44 <ghableska> 5 more days -_-
00:44 <ghableska> actually 4
00:44 <ghableska> hmm
00:49 <Lucifer_arma> you start school on saturday?
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00:51 <GodTodd> i think he's *ending* school
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, heh
00:52 <Lucifer_arma> damn kid
00:52 <GodTodd> yep
00:53 <Lucifer_arma> 4 lab groups so far :/
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> 5 :(
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> 5 1/2 week general physics
00:58 <Lucifer_arma> I almost feel sorry for the kids
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so the instructor won't be in here to talk to me until lab time
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> no sooner did I say that then she came in to chat, haha
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> back to coding
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01:07 <ghableska> damn old people :p
01:10 <Vanhayes> 8 days here, then exams
01:10 <Vanhayes> then its all over, hopefully
01:13 <ghableska> I have my orchestra final tomorrow, aka party
01:13 <ghableska> :D
01:20 <duudii> hey
01:21 <P4> #tyskie
01:21 <P4> #list
01:21 <P4> !list
01:21 <BotSub> P4: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Geekquote, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Weather
01:21 <P4> yea :D
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv? heh
01:21 <P4> !help nickcapture
01:21 <BotSub> P4: Error: There is no command "nickcapture".
01:21 <P4> !help NickCapture
01:21 <BotSub> P4: Error: There is no command "nickcapture".
01:22 <P4> !list NickCapture
01:22 <BotSub> P4: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.NickCapture" to see what configuration variables it has.
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> !list nickcapture
01:22 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: That plugin exists, but has no commands. This probably means that it has some configuration variables that can be changed in order to modify its behavior. Try "config list supybot.plugins.NickCapture" to see what configuration variables it has.
01:22 <P4> Lucifer_arma: is it your bot?
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> no
01:22 <P4> it's hosted by luke? :]
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> no
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> !praise luke-jr_ (hi there!)
01:22 * BotSub blesses luke-jr_ (hi there!) with a cookie for outstanding achievement in being cool.
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> eek!
01:22 * Lucifer_arma hits BotSub
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> geology people just left, so now I have the prep room to myself again, yay!
01:23 <Lucifer_arma> they're nice people, just hard to rewrite the ledger while they're yacking
01:23 <P4> i got to get some beer
01:23 <P4> brb in 15 minutes
01:23 <P4> stay tuned ;)
01:23 <P4> i mean i hope we can talk in 15 mins :}
01:25 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm fuckin' hungry
01:36 <P4> bin appetite :)
01:36 <P4> bon *
01:38 <P4> oh it's GodTodd bot :D
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01:40 <vinavil> how do i get a complete list of arma commands?
01:41 <_Sticky_> wiki
01:42 <vinavil> i mean a complete one
01:49 <luke-jr_> wiki
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01:51 <vinavil> it isn't complete
01:52 <ghableska> !weather 50266
01:52 <BotSub> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 74.8°F (6:50 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect from Wednesday afternoon through late Wednesday night...
01:52 <ghableska> !g blah
01:52 <BotSub> ghableska: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
01:52 <ghableska> aw
01:54 <vinavil> where did armabot go?
01:55 <vinavil> !night
01:55 <BotSub> vinavil: Error: "night" is not a valid command.
01:55 <vinavil> T_T
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01:59 <Lucifer_arma> !weather 78717
01:59 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Round Rock, Texas is 82.9°F (7:01 PM CDT on May 29, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 29.42 in 996.2 hPa (Steady).
02:03 <GodTodd> !night
02:03 <BotSub> Goodnight GodTodd :(
02:03 <GodTodd> there we go
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02:08 <P4> luigi
02:08 <P4> ...
02:09 <GodTodd> mario
02:09 <GodTodd> ...
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> wario
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> ...
02:14 <Vanhayes> Luigi
02:14 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, Did you say you wanted to play freeciv?
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:14 <Your_mom_arma> BotSub: ping
02:14 <Vanhayes> !ping
02:14 <BotSub> pong
02:14 <BotSub> pong
02:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it was mostly a joke
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> the next lab starts in about 40 minutes, and I have to work it
02:15 <Lucifer_arma> since it's the first day of school, I have no idea how active in the lab I'll need to be, and it's a full house
02:15 <GodTodd> work it, big boy :)
02:15 <ghableska> hey, anyone know much about the french revolution? :p
02:16 <Vanhayes> king louis the 16th wasnt it?
02:16 <Vanhayes> unless I just pulled a random name
02:16 <ghableska> no, you're correct
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> which one?
02:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
02:16 <Your_mom_arma> I wonder how the French could lose a war with itself
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> they didn't
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> they exported the French Revolution to all of europe
02:17 <Vanhayes> well along those lines, so did the US
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> and Napolean rose up and went around tryin to conquer europe
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> so england and Russia and Germany and Austria all went and forced France to take a monarchy, iirc
02:18 <ghableska> hm
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> I think the french revolution, insofar as the overthrow of the monarchy and establishment of the republic, was over when napolean took power
02:18 <ghableska> we only managed to get up to Napoleon
02:18 <ghableska> I was hoping for WWI
02:18 <Lucifer_arma> but it has a causal relationship to the Napoleonic wars
02:18 <Vanhayes> modern history?
02:18 <ghableska> Vanhayes: the class is Western Civilization
02:19 <ghableska> we started out with cavemen, heh
02:21 <GodTodd> lies!
02:21 <Lucifer_arma> did you cover american history, too?
02:21 <ghableska> actually, no
02:22 <ghableska> mentioned in passing, but not really
02:22 <ghableska> that's next year :)
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> so they said Western Civilization, but they meant European Civilization?
02:22 <ghableska> well, we started out in Africa
02:22 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: [ot] if we can't play freeciv(if your still boycotting it), when can we expect to try a beta of your freeciv alternative :) ?
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> long time away, heh
02:22 <Lucifer_arma> right now, I just finished eating
02:23 * ghableska goes back to studying
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> some of it depends on if anybody wants to help, and while I'd normally see if GodTodd (hi there!) was interested, I somehow don't think he'll have time to hit it this summer
02:23 <Lucifer_arma> ghableska: did you have a question, or were you just curious if anybody here knew about the french revolution?
02:23 <ghableska> curious ;)
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I can play freeciv more now than before, actually, but the server has to be somewhere else, and I need to be able to take random breaks
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> then I can play at work
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> assuming they didn't block the port, of course
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm a grab a smoke, then work on this checkbook program some more
02:25 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: how long would it take for someone like myself to learn python and be capable of doing things with it besides printing 'hello world', or propting for name and saying 'name is my hero'
02:25 <Lucifer_arma> I need to get it useable, then I'll be dividing my work between acme and the civ game
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: I wish I had an answer to that, I really do
02:26 <Lucifer_arma> if you work through a tutorial that includes keyboard input, file reading/writing, and then work through a PyQt4 tutorial, you can probably help at that point
02:27 <Lucifer_arma> but you'll need a lot of handholding, which I'm more than happy to do
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> http://docs.python.org/tut/ <--- this tutorial is the best python tutorial out there, short of buying a book, afaik
02:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I don't read python tutorials unless I'm looking for code snippets
02:40 * GodTodd would possibly be able to help...but couldn't promise anything
02:45 <P4> GodTodd: can you send your bot to the #crazy-tronners? :}
02:46 <P4> Lucifer_arma: greate there's polish translation under http://www.python.org.pl/tut/tut.html :}
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, if enough people appeared to work on the engine, I could help design the engine and focus my coding on the gui
02:47 <P4> oh
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> I'm assuming that I'm the only one around here that knows how to build a gui with python right now, but anyone who already knows how to code can learn that too pretty easily
02:47 <P4> isn't python more like shell language than like gui based?
02:47 <P4> ;)
02:47 <Lucifer_arma> P4: it's a programming language like any other
02:48 <Lucifer_arma> hard to say it's not gui based since it comes bundled with a gui api
02:48 <P4> actually it's interpreted languaged, so it's not like others (compiled one) :}
02:48 <P4> i hope i can create auto-adsl-reconnect script in pyton easly :}
02:49 <P4> (in win32) :}
02:52 <P4> Lucifer_arma: isn't it TK responsible for GUI in python? ^^
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> it's tk that ships with it
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't mean you have to use it, though
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> P4: actually, it's a language like any other
02:54 <Lucifer_arma> there is a compile step, it's just hidden, and it doesn't compile to native code unless you use the psyco module
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> just like any other....
02:55 <P4> ok ok:}
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> the only interpreted language I know of that doesn't byte-compile is shell scripting
02:55 <P4> do you use other thank TK guis?
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't use TK at all for anythin
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> wait, yes, I use other than tk guis )
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> :)
02:55 <Lucifer_arma> PyQt
02:56 <P4> oh righjt
02:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's faster, and it uses native widgets on each platform (mac os x being a problem child in that regard)
02:56 <P4> you use QT :}
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02:57 <P4> it's 3am, time to sleep :}
02:57 <P4> cya guys later :}
03:27 <Lucifer_arma> Qt. The t is small, like in Xt. (Which apparently Qt is a pun on)
03:28 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6702267.stm
03:28 <ghableska> crazy Texans
03:35 <DrJoeTron> why is SA showing up on joystiq
03:41 <Your_mom_arma> ?
03:49 <DrJoeTron> the mario cake
03:49 <DrJoeTron> oh good they linked to live journal instead
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> man
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> this little change amounts to a rewrite
03:50 <DrJoeTron> well not good
03:50 <Lucifer_arma> and my mouse is running out of batteries
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05:20 <luke-jr_> P4: QT is a video player, video muxing format, or gas station
05:24 <luke-jr_> (QuickTime, QuickTime, and QuikTrip)
05:25 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: btw, have i mentioned that I'm working on a home automation toolkit using Python (also PHP and JavaScript/AJAX)
06:18 <DrJoeTron> hey
06:19 <DrJoeTron> how much do disc brakes for bicycles go for nowadays?
06:45 <luke-jr_> people still use bicycles?
06:50 <GodTodd> very much so
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> luke doesn't like bicycles, he prefers heterocycles
06:52 <luke-jr_> haha
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> one of my new coworkers is a married woman, with a wife
06:52 <DrJoeTron> GHASP
06:52 <DrJoeTron> damn
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> someone call the governor! THere's sex going on without reproduction!
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's an assault on my family! HOly shit!
06:53 <DrJoeTron> its going to cost like 150 bucks for disc brakes
06:53 <DrJoeTron> not to mention buying a new fork with disc brake mounts :/
06:53 <DrJoeTron> fuck it
06:53 <GodTodd> might as well get a new bike :P
06:53 <DrJoeTron> i'll just replace the brake lines and the brake pads
06:54 <DrJoeTron> nah my bike is still fairly new
06:54 <DrJoeTron> and its in somewhat decient shape
06:54 <DrJoeTron> it just needs to be tuned up
06:54 <GodTodd> decent shape...unless you wanna stop
06:54 <GodTodd> :)
06:55 <DrJoeTron> the brake pads are 6 years old and warn :/
06:55 <GodTodd> GODDAMMIT JOE JUST ADMIT YOUR BIKE IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND GET IT OVER WITH WOULDJA GAWD!!!!!!11!11!1!!!!oneOneONE!
06:55 <DrJoeTron> but its a good bike it is : I
06:55 <GodTodd> sure sure
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> why do you want disc brakes on a bicycle anyway?
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> does it have an electric motor on it?
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06:58 <GodTodd> wow...tomorrow starts 10 weeks where i try to shove in two calculus classes :/
06:58 <akira_> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=6204903272262158881
06:58 <akira_> :D
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> is it in german?
06:58 <akira_> no
06:58 <akira_> english
06:59 <akira_> funny stuff :
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> give a hint? I have to take out my headphones to watch it...
06:59 <akira_> but long
06:59 <akira_> one guy solves super mario hard level with hialrious comments
06:59 <akira_> hilarious
07:00 <GodTodd> so...basically it's nothing we didn't say/hear ourselves 15-20 years ago when the game was new
07:00 <GodTodd> :)
07:01 <akira_> well i think its some usermade lvl :)
07:01 <akira_> its exceptionally hard ;) but basically you are right
07:02 * GodTodd unfortunately didn't have his interest piqued enough to click the link.
07:02 <akira_> well its gets boring after 10 mins wnyways
07:02 <akira_> ;)
07:03 <GodTodd> yeah...i seem to remember the jokes getting old pretty quick in person too
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me neither, not if I have to take out headphones, sorry
07:04 <GodTodd> !weather 75023
07:04 <BotSub> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 70.9°F (12:06 AM CDT on May 30, 2007). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.21 in 989.1 hPa (Falling).
07:04 <GodTodd> brrr
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> !weather 78717
07:04 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Round Rock, Texas is 75.0°F (12:06 AM CDT on May 30, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.48 in 998.2 hPa (Steady).
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> man, it's freaking cold outside!
07:05 <GodTodd> it is
07:05 <GodTodd> i think it's supposed to get toward 90 by the weekend tho
07:08 <DrJoeTron> akira_ haha i saw this
07:09 <akira_> well i am just seeing it the first time :D
07:09 <DrJoeTron> its pretty funny :
07:10 <akira_> btw some concept guy is constantly harrasing me on shrunk :)
07:10 <DrJoeTron> for what :)
07:10 <akira_> for playing boring, ruining the fun being noobish and whatnot
07:10 <DrJoeTron> IF YOU WERE CLOSING ON SOME ONE I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I BAN YOU
07:10 <DrJoeTron> well yeah
07:11 <DrJoeTron> armagetron is serious business
07:11 <akira_> lol
07:12 <akira_> the best is
07:12 <akira_> when i got accused for playing for the win
07:12 <akira_> i couldnt hold it after that line :)
07:12 <akira_> was*
07:14 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> they said "You're just trying to win!"?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, this civ game needs plagues
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> serious outbreaks that infect many cities
07:15 <akira_> civ 4?
07:15 <akira_> or freeciv
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> no, the one I want to write
07:15 <akira_> o
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't send enough workers/engineers with your army, your army should have to deal with dysentery
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> maybe have medical units that provide healing for units in the field
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07:16 <akira_> civ is quite far from reality concerning army managment
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> yep
07:17 <akira_> i think the attrition system of europa universalis is quite good
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I want to make a game that automates so much of the crap that freeciv makes you do by hand so that a much better world simulation can be provided
07:17 <MrBougo> hello!
07:20 <GodTodd> yeah...if generals had to tell everyone in the army what to do individually nothing would ever get done
07:20 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm about ready to start writing design documentation
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> considering how much I want the engine to handle, it would be helpful to have some sort of framework worked out that shows where everything fits
07:21 <GodTodd> yep
07:22 <akira_> heh no lucifer.. he said:"It's boring playing for the win and you just wait for others to make mistakes."
07:22 <akira_> sorry if I rarely crash into your walls!
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> how can you core dump anyone if they don't make any mistakes?
07:22 <akira_> :)
07:22 <akira_> i dont know
07:22 <akira_> i am just not following tunnels or traps
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I usually wait to see if someone closes the tunnel before I go in
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> because if they don't close it, that means they're not expecting an attack from that direction, usually
07:23 <akira_> yes
07:23 <akira_> anyways it was just hilarious.. he couldnt beat me and had to vent
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> not that I fight directly with anybody very much anymore, since I'm usually sumo, ctf, or fortress
07:23 <akira_> hmm
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> go to a rubber server, get a kick poll!
07:24 <akira_> guess you use diff nicks
07:24 <akira_> i never see you!
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> well, I haven't played much the last few weeks, been busy with other shit
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> but during the last semester, I tried to get in an hour a week at sumo or ctf because it kept my brain working the right way for fencing
07:24 <GodTodd> who wants to get an A in calc I and calc II for me this summer?
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> semester's over, and so is the fencing class, and I didn't manage to secure any leisurely summertime fencing
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> you?
07:25 <GodTodd> yeah...but that involves more work than i like
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> man, don't sign up for 11 weeks of hardcore crash course calculus and then complain about it :P
07:25 * GodTodd could have signed up for a fencing class through the plano parks department
07:26 <GodTodd> :P
07:26 * Lucifer_arma could have signed up for fencing II if he had any damn money this summer
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, specifications
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> I want the engine to handle RTS and turn-based
07:26 <GodTodd> different modes...that'd be cool :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> which basically means having the engine support a turn timeout that's kept hidden
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know if rts or turn-based will be a better game, so I'd like to have both so we can determine it
07:27 <GodTodd> right
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want the game to lag all hardcore at the end of every turn, though, so a lot of the management needs to be dumped on the clients
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> spread this around, there's lots of stuff the clients can do for the server that won't open up exploits in the server
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> clients just need to be restricted so they can only view the data the player can legally see
07:28 <GodTodd> yep
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> freeciv started that way, but ultimately went to dumping everything on the server
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> for ais, I'd just as soon have the server just fork some processes of a special ai client that connects with a pipe or unix domain socket, or even regular IP connection
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> so all the civ management stuff should be in a client-side library that's independent of gui
07:30 <GodTodd> right
07:30 * Lucifer_arma should be writing this somewhere else
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> so that basically defines the server process as the core game engine and network connections
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> game engine includes communication between players, of course
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> so it'll handle chat
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> so no ai in the server
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> two choices for protocols
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> to support RTS, udp should be used
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> but for turn-based, tcp is a better choice
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> so it could just support both, or udp could be used exclusively with my own code to handle error-checking (which is what tcp would be wanted for)
07:35 <MrBougo> i'm outie
07:35 <MrBougo> D:
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07:36 <GodTodd> would there be much difference in overhead with either implementation of protocols?
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07:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'm trying to work out what the difference is
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> as much as I'd like to support RTS and turn-based, I'm of the growing suspicion that one should be picked and the other dropped
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the question is, when does the server apply the simulation?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> in turn-based, it determines what the simulation is for the next turn and either applies it as the players move or when the turn is over
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm leaning towards turn-based because it would be easier to implement, and away from supporting both even though I want both because picking one will get the game written faster
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, in rts, the simulation is applied at each timestep, which would be predetermined
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> and each timestep is separated from the cpu clock, because it's not that kind of simulation
07:49 <GodTodd> right
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> so you decide the scale is, say, 1 turn = 1 year, and then make it configurable how long a turn is in actual seconds
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> so for a faster game, set 1 turn to, say, 30 seconds (for freeciv-like play, or what's online anyway, not what we play)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> for a slower game, 1 turn could be 2 minutes
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe that would be easier to implement than waiting for everyone to click turn done
07:50 <GodTodd> would it be like freeciv insofar as at the beginning you need more "setup time" than later in the game?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> there are two things I really don't like about freeciv. The really nasty turn lag, especially at the end of the game, and the fact that during a turn, the person who moves first gets an advantage
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, think about why freeciv needs more setup time earlier than later. It's because you have to do so much crap by hand.
07:51 <GodTodd> right
07:52 <GodTodd> that's what i was wondering...will we be fixing that aspect? i assume yes :)
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> we could do something where every city has a certain percentage chance of spontaneously creating settlers, rather than having to build settlers
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> first turn could be "pick a city site, here's the area you can see"
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> as the city gets bigger, that percentage chance increases
07:52 <GodTodd> right
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> n that case, settlers get no upkeep, and a tech in the tech tree could allow building settlers later and stop the spontaneous settler creation effect
07:53 <GodTodd> urbanization or something
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> we could work in a spontaneous settler creation for city conquering, too :)
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> so a city drops one point for being taken, then has a certain chance of creating settlers, each at a cost of 1 point
07:54 <GodTodd> i do like the "zone of influence" thing from civ 3 too
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> if the player doesn't assign the settlers to a task, they automatically go find a new place to settle
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> what's the zone of influence thing in civ 3?
07:55 <GodTodd> ok...you have "influence borders" where within that border people are loyal to your government and like what you do
07:55 <GodTodd> for the most part anyway
07:56 <GodTodd> as your civ gets "cooler" and bigger your zone of influence increases
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> and if those borders are outside your territorial borders, those cities might join you?
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> and if they're inside your territorial borders, you have more problems in the outer cities?
07:56 <GodTodd> if your zone encompasses an enemy city, they tend to revolt and turn to you
07:56 <GodTodd> right
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I want to work something like that, but I don't know about an influence border
07:57 <GodTodd> kind of like when mexico had texas
07:57 <GodTodd> they ostensibly controlled texas but keeping them in line was rough
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking of just expanding the happiness thing, to where a city gets a happiness rating, and when bad shit happens to the city, it would choose a different reaction depending on happiness
07:58 <GodTodd> i think (if possible) the closer you are to the seat of government, the happier the city is
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> we should try to be flexible enough to allow that, but it sounds like a lot of work :/
07:58 <GodTodd> er that was almost a sentence heh
07:59 <GodTodd> is it going to be coordinate based at all?
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be, doesn't it?
07:59 <GodTodd> i would think so
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> three choices of coordinates
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> we could do polar, and generate every world as two discs, where at a certain radius from the pole you can wrap to the other disc
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> rendering that will be a pain
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> we could do spherical and have the game take place on an actual globe
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> rendering that will be a pain too
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> or we could just do cartesian, and wrap like freeciv
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to just do that, as much as I want a globe
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> no grid, though
08:01 <GodTodd> yeah...cartesian would be easiest...but globe would be cooler
08:01 <GodTodd> heh
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> floating point coordinates :)
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, let's try to be flexible enough to go in later and add spherical
08:01 <GodTodd> that would be ideal
08:02 <GodTodd> i was just thinking that....do cartesian for now but make it to where we can upgrade to spherical later
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> obviously, for turn-based, we don't have to screw it up the way freeciv did. We should still receive network events, pass over chat, and the client should show a "server computing" progressbar or something
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> then when the new turn is ready, show something that says "new turn ready, beginning in <countdown>"
08:03 <GodTodd> right
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> that would eliminate the turn lag, because we could still chat, while still allowing the server to take whatever time it needs, without dropping clients
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> is that better than trying to do RTS, where you can't even get up to pee if you need to?
08:03 <GodTodd> yeah...that bugs me with freeciv...you do nothing but wait while the ai moves
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> well, the ai will move at the same time as the players this way, by having it run in a separate process
08:04 <GodTodd> so...kind of a "turn based RTS"
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> no, still weighing turn-based vs rts
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> I think at the heart of it, it's the same thing
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> the only difference is that turn-based allows you to click turn done
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> now here's an alternate take on turn-based that solves the other problem with freeciv
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> every turn, we roll for initiative, just like in D&D
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> then players management panels take their turns in sequence, and commands a player sends get queued until their turn
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> if you send a command after your turn is over, it gets queued until the next turn
08:06 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be able to do stuff the whole time, no problem
08:07 <GodTodd> so in hand to hand combat...you hope to get initiative on your attack turn
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> ?
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's a civ game...
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> we could add initiative modifiers based on in-game conditions
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> see, here's the rub with how freeciv does it
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> say you've got a unit sitting on a railroad that goes through a mountain, and your opponent has one on the other side of the mountain
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> if you move yours first, you can secure the mountain and then channel 50 million units through
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> if he moves his first, he can do that and you're blocked
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> this doesn't make sense! Not in a turn-based game, anyway
08:09 <GodTodd> right
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> you could have the biggest, baddest naval screen setup, and your opponent could take out a big chunk with one submarine just by moving his mouse faster than you
08:09 <GodTodd> yep
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> so the first solution I came up with was to queue up all events and then execute them at the same time, with some predetermined way of resolving conflicts
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> such as what happens when both units hit the mountain at the same time
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> do they attack each other? If so, who attacks who? Matters when you consider how different their attack/defense ratings can be
08:10 <GodTodd> so...the initiative thing would resolve the "same time" conflicts then?
08:10 <Lucifer_arma> to resolve that problem, I just came up with initiative. :)
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> so the player's client would be given a certain amount of time to send turn moves freely, at the end of which his turn moves are queued until the next turn
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> the client would need some way to limit what it sends, so it doesn't go and fill up the next 200 turns with crap
08:11 <GodTodd> right
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> then, after everybody has taken a turn, we generate the next turn's parameters
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> which is production, food, money, weather, etc.
08:13 <GodTodd> right
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> for performance reasons, we could probably try to generate as much of that as possible while players are moving, so we just have to copy a reference (reducing turn lag)
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> so if you go first, you get the advantage of winning every little movement conflict that happens, your military gets right of way, essentially
08:15 <GodTodd> right
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> but you lose the advantage of having fewer commands you can execute because you went first, so if you didn't save up enough commands from last turn, that's it
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> we could set a limit to the queue to make that more distinct, or just disallow commands sent after your turn is up (commands that configure your locally-running management ai don't count here)
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> if you go last, you lose the right of way for your military, but you get to save up more commands and run them on your turn
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> so make this more distinct, we should have an unlimited queue from the moment the turn starts :)
08:17 <akira_> i hate initiative rolls
08:17 <akira_> ...
08:17 <GodTodd> and initiative will be mostly just random, right?
08:18 <akira_> they are so non-realistic
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> a random element, and probably stay that way for awhile, but try to come up with reasonable modifiers
08:18 <GodTodd> right
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you've just initiated a surprise attack on an enemy, you should have an initiative bonus attached
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> city improvements, satellites (heh), etc, should have initiative modifiers available as well
08:19 <GodTodd> radio too
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> yep
08:19 <GodTodd> better communication amongst units :)
08:19 <Lucifer_arma> only that shows a weakness in the idea
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> without radio, units near the area affected shouldn't have the same loss of initiative as units far away
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> of course, units far away can't do anything anyway
08:20 <GodTodd> right
08:20 <GodTodd> i also don't like "move across the continent in no time" with railroads
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> me neither, and we won't do that
08:20 <GodTodd> they should make you faster but not superman
08:20 <Lucifer_arma> I want railroads to be a separate improvement, separate from roads
08:21 <GodTodd> definitely
08:21 <GodTodd> because they are
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> roads should have an upgrade path that goes cobblestone->pavement->highway->freeway->robotic freeway
08:21 <GodTodd> yep
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> and railroads should be railroads->monorail->bullet train->supersonic train
08:21 <GodTodd> starting withh dirt, of course :P
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> if we were at a lower scale, then sure. :) But at a global scale, I think we can ignore dirt roads
08:22 <GodTodd> airporrts need to be better too, i think
08:22 <akira_> yous re?
08:22 <akira_> sure*
08:22 <akira_> because
08:23 <akira_> in ancient times up to mediaval
08:23 <akira_> there were lots of woods
08:23 <akira_> and
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> akira = spidey?
08:23 <akira_> a dirt road made much diff :)
08:23 <akira_> err
08:23 <akira_> i am akira
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> then quit talking like spidey!
08:23 <akira_> always was
08:23 <GodTodd> haha
08:24 <akira_> for 4 years of tron now..
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> yes, dirt roads make a big difference, but consider how much you can simulate a worker doing in a turn that spans a year's time
08:24 <akira_> dirt roads through woods take time..
08:24 <GodTodd> if they're new mexican that would be about a foot of road ;)
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> sure, the worker could build a dirt road, but for the area he's working in, at that scale, he could also build a cobbled road
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> man, new mexico is just one big road, if you consider dirt a road
08:25 <akira_> i am just saying...
08:25 <akira_> that there were alot more dirt roads than other for a loooong time
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not disagreeing, I'm just thinking at the scale we're talking, for cross-country roadbuilding, it doesn't matter
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> well, a lot of the dirt roads were areas that were previously cobblestoned by the romans ;)
08:26 <GodTodd> or the mayans
08:26 <GodTodd> (on the other side of the world) :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> he does make an interesting suggestion, though
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> a civilization that just appeared out of thin air can't build cobblestone roads without masonry
08:26 <GodTodd> right
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> (which I never understood in civ anyway)
08:27 <akira_> btw
08:27 <akira_> dou you have a reasonable technology system?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> we don't have one yet
08:27 * GodTodd just thought of an analogy for the road thing
08:27 <akira_> civs just sucked
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I thought the core was good, I just didn't like either the tech tree, or the lack of development otherwise on it
08:28 <GodTodd> there were also many more years of cavemen before civilized society...but we can ignore that on our scale too :)
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like how freeciv handles tech transfers either
08:28 <akira_> no i thought of sth. like
08:28 <akira_> cross reference points
08:28 <akira_> like you research
08:28 <akira_> writing
08:29 <akira_> and get cross points in other techs
08:29 <GodTodd> yeah...a lot of the stuff on civs tech tree makes no sense...things connected that don't need to be or stuff you get before something that it depends on
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> that's not a bad idea
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> then when you switch techs, you don't throw away what you've learned already, you just can only apply it to the old tech
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> so later, when you get back to it, you can pick up from where you left off
08:29 <akira_> because i never understood that you have to research alhpabet for example and dont get writing :)
08:30 <GodTodd> so you don't "unlearn" that stuff :) that'd work
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah, the difference makes sense, actually
08:30 <akira_> well sure
08:30 <akira_> but its not a FAR step
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> alphabet gets you basic accounting, which is what you see in mesapotamia
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> but writing is real communication
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I don't disagree with that either, just saying alphabet and writing as separate techs is sensible
08:31 <akira_> yes
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> let's not worry so much about what's on the tech tree just yet, we'll put that in an xml document we can modify later :)
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> but how it works is important
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> so, every turn you research, and you get x points of "general research", which can be thought of as learning how to learn, and you get y points towards the specific tech you're researching
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> when you get a tech, you get some groups of bonus points that apply to related techs
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> if you research the tech
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> if you acquire the tech some other way, you don't get the bonus points
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> how does that sound?
08:32 <akira_> hmm
08:32 <GodTodd> the bonus points would go to a group of related techs then?
08:32 <akira_> actually i'd say
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> if you switch techs, your general research points stay with you, but your specific tech points stay with the old tech, and we depreciate that util you restart it
08:32 <akira_> you get bonus points every turn your research
08:32 <akira_> you*
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> instead of the general points I mentioned, or in addition?
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> are we going to break the second law of thermodynamics with this? ;)
08:33 <akira_> ah
08:33 <akira_> now i see
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> it could be in addition
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> but the bonus points would have to be less than 1:1 to make sense
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> and to be able to balance
08:34 <akira_> it houhgt x research and y,z% to related techs every turn
08:34 <akira_> i*
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> so you get the general points, and you get the tech specific points, and then you get some percentage of those as bonus points for related techs
08:34 <akira_> i dont understand the general points
08:34 <akira_> .. :)
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> so while you're researching rocketry, you get some bonus points towards electronics
08:35 <akira_> bad example
08:35 <akira_> but yes
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know ;)
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> you can't use the bonus points until you start researching that tech, and we should depreciate them, because while you're not actively researching it,
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> your facilities are rotting and your training and education is dropping off
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> depreciation factor should be configurable
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure the general points thing is a good idea either
08:36 <akira_> can you please separate commerce and science :)
08:36 <akira_> i hate that in civ
08:36 <akira_> HATE
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> commerce and science are separate in civ?
08:36 <akira_> no
08:37 <akira_> commerce stat splits in money and science
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I see
08:37 <akira_> i hate that system
08:37 <akira_> its soooo
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I like the ideas in civ that generate all the production stuff, but I don't like the implementation
08:37 <akira_> capitalistic
08:38 <akira_> science should cost a certain amount of production/food/money ... maybe changing during times
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> also depends on the tech
08:39 <akira_> but not per se connected to commerce
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> the atom bomb was a $billions project
08:39 <akira_> yea
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> but gunpowder was invented by one guy fucking off
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> (granted he was probably chinese)
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> we could have a science tax that determines what percentage of surpluses of shields/food/money will be put towards science
08:41 <akira_> yea
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, should think on that some more. We still haven't figured out what the main game loop looks like, and we can't code anything without that ;)
08:41 <akira_> that sounds way more reasonable
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> I want a more in-depth economic model anyway
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> it might make more sense to create an education model and build science from that
08:41 <akira_> any ideas for the economy?
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> some :)
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's a system I want in place that doesn't exist in any civ game, afaik.
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I want a legal system
08:42 <akira_> yes
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> it would work basically like the science system, where you pick the law you want passed and accumulate points towards it until it passes
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> laws would allow you to do things like change taxes (might be the only way to do that), convert shields to money, food to shields, etc.
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> you could pass laws that would address pollution to some extent, and so forth
08:43 <akira_> oh you still want shields
08:43 <akira_> ..
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> every law would carry some base modifiers that effect your population some way that would interact with government type and other things
08:44 <akira_> maybe you could come up with a derivated production modifier
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> not sure I want shields, just using the term because it's already understood :)
08:44 <akira_> population/tech/money/food
08:44 <akira_> tiles
08:44 <akira_> or landscape
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more like if you pass a law that increases prison terms, you could make your population more unhappy but reduce corruption
08:45 <akira_> someone has to do some real nasty math work then :)
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> math shouldn't be that hard :)
08:45 <akira_> i think it is
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> we could just have food and money as the only base units that a city can generate, and everything else derives from those
08:46 <akira_> hmm
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> nah, we have to have resources
08:46 <akira_> and money is a strange thing to generate
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> so for resources, I was considering breaking shields up into other resource types
08:46 <akira_> because basically it does nothing
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> not really, money is "that other stuff". An ancient civilization might trade pottery, for example
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> so, I want city-to-city resource trading
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> what never made sense to me was that I could have a city starving while right next to it was a well-irrigated city that was growing
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> what makes sense is for the growing city to send food to the starving city, make some money, and I get it in taxes
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> it also never made sense to me that a city in the middle of a forest can build tanks with the shields it generates
08:49 <akira_> :D
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I realize the practicality that made sid meier dream up shields in the first place, but I don't know that we need to be restricted by it if there's inter-city trade
08:49 <akira_> dont you know the steeltrees?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> those must grow in russia, I've never seen them
08:50 <akira_> I was in russia
08:50 <akira_> not there too
08:50 <akira_> ;)
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> not even by chernobyl?
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> I guess that's in the ukraine now
08:50 <akira_> I haven't been there..
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> I would prefer to abstract metals as just "metal" resources
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> except for special metals, like uranium
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> even if youc an build nukes, you need a supply of uranium!
08:52 <akira_> well thats like civ 3-4
08:52 <GodTodd> get them from the same trees you get the steel from :)
08:52 <GodTodd> s/them/it
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> I *know* those are at chernobyl!
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, without a grid, there is a real problem of determining where a city's resources come from
08:53 <akira_> hmm
08:53 <GodTodd> also...nuking a place should do more than just cause pollution and immediate population loss
08:53 <akira_> cant you add modifiers to terrain ?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is in computing them
08:53 <akira_> what do you mean?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> how much area can a population point work? does it have to be contiguous?
08:54 <akira_> well for the start
08:54 <akira_> i would do percentages
08:54 <akira_> maybe somewhat can come up with a realistic formula
08:54 <akira_> someone*
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking we could define the availalbe workable area as the area a worker can reach in one turn
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> so if there's a railroad, the area along the railroad out to one turn's movement by a worker is workable
08:55 <akira_> its like in CTP
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> so no city radius anymore
08:55 <akira_> there were no tiles to be worked
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, with no improvements with homogeneous terrain, you'd have a city radius
08:56 <akira_> that sounds pretty neat
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> then we take that area and compute how many resources are available in the area
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> we can just do simpson's rule to approximate the area
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> that should be sufficiently fast, and really easy to code
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> get line intersections, pretty straightforward really (GodTodd will learn simpson's rule this summer)
08:57 <GodTodd> heh
08:57 <akira_> Hmmm I get really interested in that project Lucifer :)
08:58 <akira_> because i always dreamed of some realistic strategy game
08:58 <akira_> dreamt*
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> can you code?
08:58 <akira_> no!
08:58 <akira_> ;)
08:58 <akira_> but if there is any work besides coding
08:58 <akira_> research
08:58 <akira_> whatever
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> stick around, there will be, if it gets off the ground :)
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> the question is, how should the population be applied to the workable area, after we've taken a sum of what's available?
08:59 <GodTodd> percentages
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> civ sidestepped the question by assigning one worker to one square
09:00 <akira_> but percentages should be flexible
09:00 <akira_> given the technology
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> percentages? You need a maximum in the denominator to get a percentage
09:00 <akira_> well take some basic stuff
09:00 <akira_> percentage of kids
09:00 <akira_> etc
09:01 <GodTodd> you have a certain number of workers available for a certain amount of workable resources
09:01 <akira_> maybe there can be influence of paradigms too
09:01 <akira_> slavery
09:01 <akira_> etc
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> so if you have 8 workers, you can only get 8 shields? (unmodified here, of course)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> or you just say, for example, "30% food, 50% shield, 20% fucking off" and then the workers are assigned accordingly?
09:02 <GodTodd> right
09:02 <akira_> yes that way
09:02 <akira_> maybe ancient times 90% food
09:02 <akira_> ;)
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> we'll have to depend pretty heavily on the tech tree to produce bonuses thataway, but that's not a big deal
09:03 <akira_> isnt it dependent anyways?
09:03 <akira_> i eman
09:03 <akira_> mean
09:03 <akira_> before irrigation
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> that's actually more reasonable, I think, because it never did make sense that a city in the middle of butt-fucking nowhere could magically come up with 50 shields per turn and be able to build tanks
09:03 <akira_> yes
09:03 <GodTodd> exactly
09:04 <akira_> and since there is few food = no farms you can never get off a high production by itself
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so we should have instead of unmodified resources and modifiers to influence that, how about raw materials, worked materials, and really worked materials?
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> so to build a tank in a city using only the city's resources, you also need a metalworking shop to turn iron into steel
09:05 <akira_> yes
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't have a metalworking shop, the city can ship the metals it mines out to some other city to work it
09:05 <GodTodd> yep
09:05 <GodTodd> exactly
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> or better yet, it doesn't build tanks, it just ships what it mines and gets money for it :)
09:05 <GodTodd> which makes use of the resource sharing :)
09:06 <GodTodd> it's like in west texas...many communities take oil out of the ground...fewer actually do anything with it
09:06 <akira_> that also implies infrastrucure
09:06 <GodTodd> they send it elsewhere for refining
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> yes, it does imply infrastructure
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> I want the manager to handle shipping, and to use real units to ship resources
09:07 <akira_> in galciv
09:07 <akira_> 2
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> because I want to be able to send a boatload of ammunition to my ally who's run out of bullets :)
09:07 <akira_> there are automated freighters
09:07 <akira_> which appear on the map as small units
09:07 <akira_> you cna attack them
09:07 <akira_> can
09:07 <GodTodd> would it be automatic? like...in order to *not* build tanks with the metal you just don't build the metalshop?
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I mean, exactly
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, remember there's a manager working for you to give you the things you've asked for
09:08 <GodTodd> right
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> it'll try to optimize it
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> and there's no point trying to add character to the manager, let it optimize as perfectly as we can
09:08 <GodTodd> heh
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> if we try to add character, or some sort of limits, this code will run on the client side, and that's just a cheating vector
09:09 <akira_> hmm
09:09 <akira_> limits could be done through paradigms or society models
09:09 <Lucifer_arma> yes, handled on the server, no problem
09:10 <akira_> organized romans had a pretty good trade system
09:10 <akira_> opposed to feudal germany
09:10 <akira_> ;)
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> right, so we can work out something like "a city has a base of freights equal to its population, which can move according to its tech development" as the base rule
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> then use social conditions, government type, etc, to modify that
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> and at the beginning of the turn, we'll tell the clients what they have to work with for that turn
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> if they have less freights to work with this turn than they loaded up last turn, we either let them keep the excess until they've arrived at their destination, or the server randomly kills the difference
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> so we can limit it that way, just not by code that is expected to run on the client side
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> and the manager will run on the client side :)
09:13 <akira_> this has a goodside of limiting the stupid: I build every fucking building in every city
09:14 <akira_> because the ressources are vital for building stuff i suppose
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> the idea is that you won't build buildings anymore, or units. Instead, you'll give each city a priority, and create groups of units with assigned home cities
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> the manager will then try to develop the city as best it can while providing, supplying, training, and upgrading the units
09:14 <akira_> ehh what about sity infrastructure?
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> units already built will be able to train to learn new skills, if the training center has been built
09:14 <akira_> city
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> such as?
09:15 <akira_> schools, baths,
09:15 <akira_> factories
09:15 <akira_> etcetc
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> manager will build those
09:15 <akira_> :o
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> they'll be there, and you'll be able to see them appearing on the map (hopefully), but the manager will build them
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> we need to work out some interface for telling the manager effectively so it can build those things
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> also, a way for the manager to tell *you* what it's got planned so you can change its plan
09:16 <GodTodd> like if you say "i want this city to produce much shit" the manager will optimize it using available technology such as factories
09:16 <akira_> yes
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> which matters in key cities, but most cities you don't want to bother micromanaging like that
09:16 <akira_> sounds like MoO3
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> the manager will also have access to the treasury and can use gold you've acquired to speed up its production as needed
09:17 <akira_> there was also some pre-existing global building manager
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> but you'll set a threshold
09:17 <GodTodd> like setting a budget?
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> yep :)
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> and borrowing from other players will be tracked ;)
09:18 <GodTodd> "you can use what you need as long as it is <= x dollars/gold/luk-jr_ money"
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> interest can be assigned, treaties can be made on it, etc.
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> exactly
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> and also "send 20% of my earnings to <my ally>"
09:19 <GodTodd> keep track of a "civ debt" as a way to determine whether friendly ais will loan money to you?
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> so when spidey says "Luci, can you be army guy and I'll be science guy?" I can say "Sure, pay me 200 gold per turn"
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> sure, we can do that
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking more of just tracking debts and allowing players to forgive debts and having it give some sort of ingame standing
09:19 <GodTodd> the more you owe the less likely someone will give you stuff
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> right
09:19 <akira_> well Ai programming is a wholly diff thing
09:20 <akira_> I wont even think about that :)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, we're hoping that the manager will make it possible to actually program a smart ai :)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> and the ais we'll try to add character to :)
09:20 <akira_> Seeing that many games fail at this
09:20 <GodTodd> well...we'd want to keep it as a field as well...i'd like to know how much shit Lucifer_arma has borrowed from others before i give him the 200 a turn he's whining for ;)
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure, but we'll need a way to limit that information, so you have to get a credit report ;)
09:21 <GodTodd> right
09:21 <akira_> and also check luci's armysize and general power ;)
09:21 <GodTodd> heh...armysize can be hidden...even from allies ;)
09:21 * GodTodd knows, i'm american
09:21 <GodTodd> heh
09:21 <akira_> you preparing WW3?
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so we've figured out city production, and turn sequence. This can probably start being coded, soon as I grab it into a document for reference
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> should I try to setup a wiki for this? :/
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> there's a lot of folks here interested in helping
09:22 <GodTodd> we'd want a wiki eventually...would it be helpful from the beginning?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> considering how many non-coders there are that want to help?
09:23 <GodTodd> we'd need a working title then too, eh?
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> already have one
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> Eugenics
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09:26 <Durka> #help lastseen
09:26 <Durka> :O
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I'll setup a wiki tonight before I go to bed (meaning in just a few minutes) and then copy the chatlog to a place on there as a buffer
09:26 <Durka> damn, armabot isn't here
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> tomorrow start separating it into real documents
09:26 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: >.<
09:26 <Durka> what happened to the MonoBook style?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as we start specifying file formats, folks around here will start creating them
09:26 <Durka> :'(
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> Durka: ask guru3, he's in charge of the wiki now
09:26 <Durka> heh
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> not trying to pass the buck, if I knew the answer I'd tell you
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> I'd harass you first, of course
09:27 <Durka> :P
09:28 <Durka> Lucifer_arma: where's the feed for the #lastseen feature (on wrtlpwnd's site)
09:29 <Durka> :O
09:31 <Durka> >.>
09:42 <Durka> ?
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10:03 <Lucifer_arma> since when did I become the expert on all things arma?
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10:52 <Lucifer_arma> http://eugenics.davefancella.com/index.php/Main_Page
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> !later tell Your_mom_arma There's a page for this civ game, now dubbed 'eugenics'. http://eugenics.davefancella.com/
10:56 <BotSub> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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11:42 <AL> Hi. I've been looking for the new iteration of "newline" in 0.3.0: is there a new "\n" ?
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12:25 <P4> hi AL
12:25 <P4> i don't know but it's a bit insecure imo
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12:42 <DrJoeTron> yo
12:46 <AL> hey doc
12:47 <guru3> hey dr
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13:01 <epsy> hi
13:01 <kidanger> Hey !
13:01 <epsy> #list
13:01 <epsy> !list
13:01 <BotSub> epsy: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Geekquote, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Weather
13:02 <epsy> #serverinfo cafe
13:02 <epsy> !serverinfo cafe
13:02 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "serverinfo" is not a valid command.
13:02 <epsy> awww
13:02 <kidanger> ...
13:03 <P4> epsy: we got to set RSSes and fetches ;}
13:03 <P4> it's somewhere on wrtlprnft site :)
13:04 <kidanger> #config
13:04 <epsy> !!!
13:04 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
13:04 <epsy> !delire
13:04 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "delire" is not a valid command.
13:04 <epsy> xD
13:04 <P4> i think i know who abuses armabot when he quits, epsy :>
13:05 <epsy> ? xD
13:12 <DrJoeTron> you
13:12 <DrJoeTron> thats who
13:13 <epsy> first, when who quits ??
13:17 <kidanger> #lastseen Xian
13:29 <AL> P4: i don't know but it's a bit insecure imo.... sry, don't get that
13:29 <AL> looking for newline cmd... anyone?
13:30 <AL> used to be \n
13:31 <DrJoeTron> #m GodTodd test
13:31 <DrJoeTron> baww
13:32 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd tell your bot to stop sucking!
13:37 <GodTodd> !m DrJoeTron my bot only sucks if i order him to :P
13:37 <BotSub> GodTodd: Error: "m" is not a valid command.
13:37 <GodTodd> oops
13:37 <GodTodd> heh
13:37 <DrJoeTron> hah
13:37 <GodTodd> !m DrJoeTron my bot only sucks if i order him to :P
13:37 <BotSub> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
13:56 <kidanger> epsy: ?
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13:58 <ghableska> !weather 50266
13:58 <BotSub> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 67.8°F (6:55 AM CDT on May 30, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 59.0°F. Pressure: 28.95 in 980.2 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect from this afternoon through late tonight...
13:59 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6703423.stm
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14:06 <AL> still waiting for answer... "\n" is no longer valid as a newline cmd. is there another way?
14:06 <AL> purpose: add ascii welcome msg to my server
14:07 <AL> !weather 21211
14:07 <BotSub> AL: The current temperature in South Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland is 71.8°F (8:09 AM EDT on May 30, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady).
14:07 <AL> heh
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18:33 <mkzelda> !weather 27545
18:33 <BotSub> mkzelda: The current temperature in Hedingham, Raleigh, North Carolina is 84.6°F (12:35 PM EDT on May 30, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Falling).
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19:19 <epsy> !time
19:19 <BotSub> epsy: 12:22 PM, May 30, 2007
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19:45 <epsy> rha il avait une vielle version de procyon unison, MrBougo xD
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20:05 <epsy> !help echo
20:05 <BotSub> epsy: (echo <text>) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately.
20:05 <epsy> o_O
20:06 <epsy> !help pingflood
20:06 <BotSub> epsy: Error: There is no command "pingflood".
20:06 <epsy> o_O
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20:56 <epsy> luke-jr_work, try !echo $channel: ping
20:59 <luke-jr_work> no
21:17 <mkzelda> akira_: that mario video is great
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22:07 <Vanhayes> !list
22:07 <BotSub> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Geekquote, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, String, Time, Topic, User, Utilities, and Weather
22:07 <Vanhayes> !list alias
22:07 <BotSub> Vanhayes: add, c, calc, lock, luke, m, night, q, remove, and unlock
22:07 <Vanhayes> !list rss
22:07 <BotSub> Vanhayes: add, announce, info, remove, and rss
22:14 <epsy> !serverinfo cafe
22:14 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "serverinfo" is not a valid command.
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22:19 <mkzelda> !luke
22:19 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
22:20 <luke-jr_work> !alias del luke
22:20 <BotSub> luke-jr_work: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "del" in it. Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
22:21 <luke-jr_work> !alias remove luke
22:21 <BotSub> luke-jr_work: The operation succeeded.
22:24 <mkzelda> Luke copied Matthew's gospel, cheater
22:26 <luke-jr_work> mkzelda
22:28 <mkzelda> its okay luke, matthew actually cheated off of mark's paper
22:28 <mkzelda> so its all one big orgy
22:34 <mkzelda> mkzelda
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22:36 <luke-jr_work> mkzelda
22:36 <mkzelda> thats my name dont wear it out, or copy it
22:36 <mkzelda> cheater cheater pumpkin eater
22:36 <luke-jr_work> mkzelda
22:36 <luke-jr_work> mkzelda
22:37 <mkzelda> haha
22:37 <mkzelda> :D
22:38 <mkzelda> luke-jr_work: im sure theres some relevant scripture re: fingering another gentlemen
22:38 <mkzelda> at least you didnt finger me AFTER stabbing and choking me
22:38 <mkzelda> that'd be gross
22:42 * mkzelda puts all your tears back together into cup and drinks them...yummy... the tears of unfathomable sadness
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so plate tectonics gives you earthquakes and volcanoes, and weather gives you tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, and so forth
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> what other natural disasters are there that require some sort of simulated framework? Do those two cover them all?
22:48 <mkzelda> robot attacks
22:50 <mkzelda> need old glory robot insurance
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> I'd consider that man-made
22:50 <mkzelda> not anymore, the robots make themselves
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so robot-made disasters are a step up from man-made
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to focus on what nature does to you :)
22:50 <luke-jr_work> lol
22:51 <mkzelda> :D
22:52 <mkzelda> warning: persons denying the existence of robots may be robots themselves.
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> too much spongebob for you
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think you're getting cabin fever, man
22:52 <mkzelda> thats an old SNL skit
22:53 <mkzelda> http://www.youtube.com/v/xVnkd7ot_pw
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, anybody interested, I just put up a framework for documentation for eugenics
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> filling in details with stuff from that big ol' chat we had last night (that you missed, mkzelda)
22:54 <mkzelda> i read it
22:54 <mkzelda> i was tronning and reading it
22:54 <mkzelda> im just not the RTS type
22:55 <mkzelda> i dont have a lot to contribute about war and armies and weapons and such
22:56 <mkzelda> at least, i dont like war rts, i like more sim city kind of play
22:57 <mkzelda> your 'initiative' idea seemed cool
22:57 <mkzelda> i never could click the mouse fast enuf in things like starcraft
22:58 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma: what about plagues
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
22:58 <mkzelda> not just disease, but infestation of species
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> pestilence
22:58 <mkzelda> a locust swarm takes out your crops
22:59 <mkzelda> or infertility
23:02 <mkzelda> poison is versatile
23:03 <mkzelda> can be used by man or nature
23:03 <mkzelda> things like red tide
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I thought red tide was a benign phenomenon
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23:15 <mkzelda> maybe its a poor example but it could cause some famine problems
23:18 <luke-jr_work> mkzelda has feminine problems?
23:23 <mkzelda> luke-jr_work has literacy problems
23:23 <mkzelda> if by feminine problems you mean all the girls that throw themselves at me, yeah, i have feminine problems
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> my hair is considered a feminine problem by many
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> hey, y'all will get a chuckle out of this
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> my sister-in-law and her family were down this weekend, and we were at my father-in-law's house for barbecue
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> She's got 2 kids, one that's a few months older than my youngest (so he's 4 right now), and one that's still a baby
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> so I was playing with the 4yo a little bit, then he ran off to see his mommy and tell her about me
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> his mom asks him "Who's that?"
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> the kid answered: "Jesus"
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> so all weekend he was calling me jesus-uncle-bah-bah
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> finally got him to say uncle dave, but then it was uncle-dave-jesus
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> always jesus in there somewhere
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> (this family used to be mormon, but in the last year or so decided to leave the church, so the kid was previously exposed to some crazy fundamentalism and only recently got sanity brought into his life)
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23:45 <mkzelda> heh
23:45 <mkzelda> my connection is tarded atm, just got a flood of that luci
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, a city's work area should be a function of its population size
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> so that at a certain size, the city's work area is everything that a worker can reach in one turn, but below that size, there needs to be a scaling factor
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> so that small cities can only work terrain that is adjacent to the city center
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23:54 <GodTodd> hrmm
23:54 <GodTodd> !luke
23:54 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
23:54 <GodTodd> there :)
23:55 <mkzelda> heh
23:55 <luke-jr_work> !alias remove luke
23:55 <BotSub> luke-jr_work: Error: That alias is locked.
23:55 <luke-jr_work> /kick BotSub
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> !luke
23:56 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
23:56 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr_work] by ChanServ
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> this looks suspiciously like an abuse of op
23:57 <GodTodd> wasn't someone going to take luke off the op list at one point?
23:57 <mkzelda> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> should I unignore luke to find out whether or not he's just talking stupid trash?
23:58 <GodTodd> he hasn't said anything yet
23:58 <GodTodd> heh
23:58 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, oh ya, I forgot to mention the other thing about Civ 3 I liked: colonies
23:58 <mkzelda> he's not talking
23:58 <mkzelda> but if you really have him ignored i must've looked crazy earlier
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> he's just trying to look mean?
23:58 <GodTodd> pretty much
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> nah, it's getting easy to figure out when someone's talking to luke
23:58 <mkzelda> but its gotta be less funny
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> mostly the level of frustration in their chat can be seen going up
23:59 <Vanhayes> workers can turn themselves into colonies on a resource square, and if a road connects that colony to a city that city gets a resource
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's not funny anyway. The kind of stuff luke does around here constitutes emotional abuse
23:59 <mkzelda> he was mostly just ctcp'ing me
23:59 <@luke-jr_work> GodTodd: remove the "i'm great" part if you're not going to remove the alias please
23:59 <GodTodd> why?
23:59 <@luke-jr_work> cuz I'm not duh
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: you might want to read the city work page
23:59 <@luke-jr_work> nor have I ever said I am
23:59 <mkzelda> STOP OR ILL USE PING!!!one!one!!
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> the one I just wrote
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> :)
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00:00 <Lucifer_arma> http://eugenics.davefancella.com/index.php/Cities
00:00 <mkzelda> GodTodd: you should do it or he'll use ping
00:00 <GodTodd> luke-jr_work: bull...everytime you talk down to someone or insinuate that you are better than them you say it
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> exactly, that's a requirement for something to be considered emotional abuse
00:00 <@luke-jr_work> nope
00:01 <GodTodd> besides...it's "i'm great *or smth*....you can substitute anything in the last part if you don't like the first part :)
00:01 <mkzelda> its also sarcastic
00:01 <GodTodd> very much so :)
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> heh, if someone made such an alias making fun of me, I'd laugh with them :)
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> I like jokes
00:02 <mkzelda> but someone's client has a built in </sarcastic> at the start so he never sees it
00:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+ooo BotSub GodTodd mkzelda] by luke-jr_work
00:02 <@mkzelda> heh
00:02 <Vanhayes> hmm, wonder how long it will take...
00:02 * GodTodd doesn't abuse op
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> mayb eI should op up and kick whoever kicks luke
00:02 <@mkzelda> is this like a wild west standoff?
00:02 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer_bed] by luke-jr_work
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> great, now my kids can kick us
00:03 <@GodTodd> haha
00:03 -!- mode/#armagetron [+oo P4 Vanhayes] by luke-jr_work
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> (actually, that console is locked, so you can all relax)
00:03 * Vanhayes has a problem with having power
00:03 * GodTodd wasn't worried.
00:03 <@Vanhayes> I usually abuse it
00:03 <@GodTodd> w00t...i'm kidless tonight :)
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> but not hungry, I take it?
00:04 <@luke-jr_work> there is no other team GodTodd
00:04 <@GodTodd> in which sport, luke?
00:04 <@luke-jr_work> looks like I get the $95k job
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> man, when I was 12, everythin was a sex joke. Now I'm a bit older than that, and everything's a cannibalism joke
00:04 <@GodTodd> i prefer fart jokes
00:05 <@luke-jr_work> should I take it?
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I need to write the tech page still
00:05 <@GodTodd> luke-jr_work: work hard and you might make as much as my wife does
00:05 * Lucifer_arma is filling in the wiki with last night's discussion
00:05 <@mkzelda> i prefer nazi racist evolution jokes
00:05 <@mkzelda> and aids jokes
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> I like jokes where the punchline reads "Need another seven astronauts"
00:05 <@mkzelda> when life gives you aids, make lemonaids
00:06 <@mkzelda> er, when god gives you aids
00:06 <@mkzelda> cause god gives you aids
00:06 <@mkzelda> dunno if you knew that
00:06 <@luke-jr_work> no
00:06 <@luke-jr_work> gays do
00:06 <@mkzelda> its proven scientific fact
00:07 <@mkzelda> just like the natural disasters are gods way of punishing gays
00:07 <@GodTodd> hrmmm...spreading lies...is that a kickable offense? ;)
00:07 <@Vanhayes> I say its the monkeys that give you aids
00:07 <@Vanhayes> damn monkeys
00:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo arctanx BotSub duudii] by luke-jr_work
00:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo eddiefantastic GodTodd guru3] by luke-jr_work
00:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo Lucifer_arma Lucifer_bed luke-jr_] by luke-jr_work
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> I spread lies like butter--on my toast
00:07 -!- mode/#armagetron [-ooo luke-jr_work mkzelda P4] by luke-jr_work
00:07 <mkzelda> no no its definatly god that gives you aids
00:07 <GodTodd> i spread lies like a diseased whore's legs
00:08 <@Vanhayes> argh, soooo tempted to abuse power
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> what are you talking about? God created aids to force gay people to get married!
00:08 <luke-jr_work> even if they get married, gays would still be damned
00:09 <@Vanhayes> fuck it, im abusing it
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00:09 <Lucifer_arma> did anybody go read the cities page I linked?
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00:09 <GodTodd> haha
00:09 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Vanhayes] by Vanhayes
00:09 <Vanhayes> I think i resisted pretty well
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you made it, er, let's see
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> 6 minutes
00:10 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably a new record for you
00:11 <Vanhayes> I warned when he first gave it to me, then he takes it from everyone but me, He was egging me on
00:11 <Lucifer_arma> don't blame him, man, that's emotional abuse
00:11 <Vanhayes> trying to call my bluff, I couldnt have that
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00:13 <mkzelda> this channel has a good energy in it atm
00:13 <mkzelda> it feels cleaner
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> I think we shouldn't bother with science points
00:15 <mkzelda> !luke
00:15 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> that's a nice abstraction, but I think we should just use regular resources
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> that way technologies that require investment of specific resources can use those, and techs that require investment of food will use that, etc.
00:15 <Vanhayes> how would you get tech then?
00:15 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> by pumping your surplus into tech development
00:16 <Vanhayes> so you only get techpoints if you have more then you need of something?
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> then we'll convert the resources into knowledge using the system we talked about last night
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, can't resource tech without it
00:16 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
00:16 <Vanhayes> aw
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> er
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> can't research tech without a surplus of something
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> only that's not anywhere near accurate
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> necessity is the mother of invention, doesn't work if you require a surplus
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I got something that akira may not like
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> you earn science points in a given discipline, where disciplines are defined in an xml file
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> so chemistry, physics, etc.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> points in each discipline are derived from resource production
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> so you could say for every 10 shields, with 4 food, you get 5 chemistry points
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00:21 <Lucifer_arma> so each specific tech has a cost associated that can be several disciplines
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> so rocketry would require engineering points and chemistry points, for example
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> so no surplus required, your science points come straight from what you produce
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> we might include modifiers ingame based on production. So if you build a large military and keep it maintained, maybe you can get bonus points for military techs
00:22 <GodTodd> are we figuring literacy rate and stuff too?
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> we'll have to, but how that affects science points I don't know
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we can just multiply science points by literacy?
00:23 <GodTodd> well...the more literate a civ the faster you get advances
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> so if only 50% of your population is literate, then you only get 50% of the points
00:23 <GodTodd> that's about what i was thinking
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> with some arbitrary minimum defined, because you'll start at 0% anyway
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> and we need to bootstrap it somehow
00:24 <GodTodd> right
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> we'll make ingame statistics that are computed and available to xml files to use, and then we'll play with them to figure out what works best :)
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> literacy rate will be one of them
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> unemployment another
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> etc
00:25 <GodTodd> cool :)
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> so basically every resource worked should generate also science points
00:26 <GodTodd> right
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> then you pick disciplinary priority that will be used computing science points
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise the server will be confused and we'll have to write hardcore optimization routines (which we'll have to write anyway)
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to require special surveyors to be able to find resources
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> so you can't mine, say, uranium, until a surveyor has walked through the area
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> that is, a surveyor capable of finding uranium
00:27 <GodTodd> right
00:27 <GodTodd> which you'd need nuclear power to recognize it
00:28 <GodTodd> for what it is
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, something that's just below nuclear power, because you'd need to work uranium to research nuclear power
00:28 <GodTodd> well...maybe not
00:28 <GodTodd> chemistry actually should give recognition but not ability to refine
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> we could even have different sets of disciplines for ancient times, even
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> so we could have alchemy, agriculture, astrology, etc.
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00:29 <Lucifer_arma> that would be neat :)
00:29 <GodTodd> as long as we do the crossovers decently :)
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> well, the chemistry crossover happens around newton's time
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> you know, when alchemy becomes chemistry
00:30 <GodTodd> yep
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't newton in particular that did it, though, he was a traditional alchemist, but I think he laid groundwork for it
00:30 <GodTodd> and astrology didn't "become" but spawned astronomy somewhat
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> right, it contained astronomy until some folks split off from astrology, as I understand it
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> basically rejecting the superstitious part to make astronomy from astrology
00:31 <GodTodd> right
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> handling the changeover shouldn't be too hard
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> we can just have "new discpline" as something you gain with techs
00:32 <GodTodd> standard "yesterday's superstition is today's science" :)
00:32 <Lucifer_arma> so then it's just a matter of designing the tech tree appropriately
00:32 <GodTodd> right
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> and a discpline constitutes a conversion factor
00:34 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, how far back are you going to start, the standard 4000BC?
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking somewheres around there
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> maybe the starting date will be configurable
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm anticipating the games going faster because the turns themselves will pass faster and am hoping we can stick to a scale of 1 turn = 1 year
00:44 <Vanhayes> that would be nice, so you could have a modern war from the start
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, for that, the world builder will need to be able to build civilizations too
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> which is a reasonable feature to add, I think
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> first implementation won't have it, obviously. It won't even have a world builder, heh.
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> probably lay in some code to serve as groundwork for that, and just have it load a file
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> or just define it as a scenario, and then allow some builders, then a scenario is constructed by chaining builders together in sequence
00:46 <Lucifer_arma> where one builder could just load a static map
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01:04 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I just removed the idea of picking the technologies you'll research
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> with the addition of disciplines, I think you should only be able to prioritize disciplines, and the server will assign tech points
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> so no more micromanaging scientists, now you just get to allocate resources
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking we should forget weather simulation and just make disaster generators part of the map format
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01:35 <Lucifer_arma> is it true? Am I really ready to start coding?
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> Hmmm, maybe I need to work on the protocol first
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04:19 <Lucifer_arma> yay, got some very basic network code written
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> now going home :)
04:19 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: hey, I set up a wiki for the civ game, and gave it a name. http://eugenics.davefancella.com/
04:20 <Lucifer_arma> so we should be dumping stuff there and designing the game there. Lots of parts of game design don't require programming, just implementing the game rules does :)
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04:51 <mkzelda> wow, on xzl server you can 180 all day and never use more than 0.7 rubber
04:51 <mkzelda> yet it has 28
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05:05 <mkzelda> tron crashes when i go to the about screen
05:05 <mkzelda> oh nm just until the round ends
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05:29 <Your_mom_arma> well, I managed to write something in python where it asks you to feed a monster cookies till you give it 100 or more
05:38 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, Its also going to have an rts mode Lucifer_arma?
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06:17 <Your_mom_arma> hey wrtlprnft
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> not a specific settler, it's more like you'd say "Put a city here" and your manager will put one there sometime
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok, movement per turn is the same as freeciv, you'll just have your units move during your segment
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> the map will be on a cartesian plane, no crazy grid or whatever
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> what we really need to decide is if we want to give length units to the map
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> like, do we want to just say 1 map unit = 1 km ?
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, don't know that I care anyway :)
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> but it's really starting to irk me that Lucifer_bed is having so many connection problems with freenode
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> so specify in map units, and think of map units as "pixels" if you have to :)
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> I figure the first maps will be done in inkscape, and we'll have a loader that just loads the svg files directly
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe eventually we'll need to create our own format
06:21 <Your_mom_arma> will units and cities be the same size?
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> but no hexes, no squares, none of that. We'll use real-valued coordinates
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, not exactly, no.
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> I wasn't intending to size them at all, actually
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> zones of control would be computed based on how many movement points the units have left
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> cities aren't sized, so there isn't really a square that marks "this is a city". There will be an icon on the city center...
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> taking a city will be handled by the manager, because you won't be able to order specific units to take a city
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> the manager will handle taking cities
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> that might be subject to change if it turns out to be unworkable
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> any of it is subject to change if it turns out to be unworkable :)
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> so cities won't gave any graphical representation?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> they'll have one, we need a button where you can click to open the city dialog
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> if we have a city dialog, we may find we don't need one at all
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> then there will be the drawing of the work area, possibly
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> I think we should trace the work area, so we probably will make it configurable at some point
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> then, I'd like to render city improvements within the work area
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> so you can see on the map what's in the cities. This is mostly to look pretty, but could be handy to have
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> not units, I'm talking buildings.
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> then there's the fog of war rendering, of course
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> so you click on a city marker(just a flag?) and then in the city dialog you see a city with a nuclear plant, aquaducts etc?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> no, you see the nuclear plant, aqueducts, etc on the world map directly
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> you saw that acme can zoom in/out, so that's actually reasonable for us to aim for
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> the same widget that draws the map in acme will be used here for the map :)
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> so would cities start off as a group of huts early on, then like a suburb later?
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's the idea, yes
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06:29 <Your_mom_arma> does the game end with current techs?
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't want it to, I want to run it into a futuristic cyberpunkish world
06:30 <spidey> i have a strange situation :o
06:30 <spidey> 30kb/s download and 139kb/s upload
06:30 <spidey> lol
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> your dad's dad is screwing your mom's mom?
06:30 <spidey> nah :p
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> I just stuck eugenics in svn, it doesn't do much though
06:30 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
06:30 <spidey> i'm at my other grandmas :o
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> it's at https://svn.davefancella.com/eugenics/trunk/eugenics
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> all it does right now is attempt to login, but fail because I haven't written the login stuff yet
06:31 <Your_mom_arma> server certificate warning
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> just accept it forever. :)
06:31 <spidey> i'm moving in my aunts, so you guys won't have to put up with me anymore :D
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I will probably never register a certificate
06:31 <spidey> unless i come over here :>
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> you're moving to your aunts so we won't have to put up with you? That's a pretty superficial reason to move...
06:32 <spidey> that's not why i'm moving lol
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, we'll miss you
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> at least, they will
06:32 <mkzelda> heh
06:32 <spidey> lol
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> you know, these other guys here
06:32 <spidey> woh?
06:32 <spidey> who*
06:32 <spidey> oh, them?
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> luci would streets/aquaducts buildings be drawn in (semi) randomly?
06:34 <Your_mom_arma> ie electricty providing building always left of town center?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> we can worry about that later, actually
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> unless you want to start it pretty soon, but the code isn't far enough along to worry about it
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> should we discuss an outline of units, or is that about the same level of polishing the bumper of the car before the frames built that the city graphics was
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> Should there be multiple version of settlers? Ie settlers walking->Settlers in a bus?
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06:42 <spidey> this pc really sucks -.-
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> so, anyone know what happened to armabot?
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06:46 <Lucifer_arma> multiple levels of settlers is fine, but we really need to work on the frame stuff :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> we have enough stuff to code the basic game loop and get cities working, if the first city is hardcoded
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> also, we can start defining file formats for the tech tree, and some other things that have slipped my tired mind
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> multiple tech trees?
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> tech tree needs to be an xml file, and I suspect we're going to want to use xml for enough files to justify using it as a default
06:48 <Your_mom_arma> pretty much
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure how the tech tree will look, to be honest.
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> there should be enough definition to how techs will work to start defining the tech tree
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> we also need to work out exactly how resources will work
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's a link to create that page, but it hasn't been created yet
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking an xml file to describe terrain including what resources can be worked in each terrain type
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> so, resources and terrain are interdependent. Tech disciplines and resources are interdependent, and the tech tree depends on tech disciplines
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> but of those four files, we've only talked about two (which are documented somewhat already)
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06:50 <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_bed is starting to annoy me
06:51 <Your_mom_arma> gold silver coal oil lumber, any other resources?
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> my current coding plan is to get logins working and work out some way to translate game commands into stuff that can be sent over the network
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> uranium, iron
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> food.
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06:53 <Lucifer_arma> these should be defined in a file, we need to work out the mechanism that links them to terrain and city workers
06:53 <Your_mom_arma> hmm, cities(units) shoulld be able to create food resources
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> the terrain file should link terrain types to objects created in inkscape :)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, improvements
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> roads and irrigation and stuff. There's another file to work out, and a mechanism to put together
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06:54 <Your_mom_arma> so would there be wild food resources?
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> when we're talking about resources, we're not talking about what freeciv has for resource squares
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking about what a basic, unmodified terrain type is capable of producing
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> possibly with overlays that can only be seen when you have special units that can see them
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so to mine uranium, you first have to develop the technology to build the unit that can find uranium, for example
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> surveyors, that's what they are. Different levels of surveyors
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> so we could say that all hills have coal if we'd like, but you can't work the coal until you can build the surveyor that finds coal
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking we'd have that as overlays on the map, you'd just create another path in inkscape that says "here be whales!"
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my immediate coding plan is to get a certain minimum level of network support and then build the client gui to where it can chat
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> and multiple clients can chat on the same server
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> then start in on the game loop that's described on the wiki
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm almost there, just have to get the login working and create teh chat command and I can start on the client gui :)
06:59 <Your_mom_arma> nice
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> which I'd have done if my wife would leave me alone
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07:14 <MrBougo> hemllo :)))
07:14 <MrBougo> wrtlprnft: where is armabot gone? :(
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: http://eugenics.davefancella.com/index.php/Technology_Tree
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://eugenics.davefancella.com/index.php/Technology
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> :)
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> yay, chatting with the server works
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> now, how to get the chat messages to send to all connected clients? :/
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07:29 <Lucifer_arma> I worked out a basic protocol I should probably go document, so I can keep track of messages
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> so the techs need to be grouped into disciplines; the equvalent to science points is disciple points, which are created by(undocumented)
07:33 <Your_mom_arma> would techs need 25 chemistry points and 15 electronic points?
07:35 <Your_mom_arma> would having two levels of techin an xml mess up parsing like I imagine it would?(tech allows tech)
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07:36 <mkzelda> you should make eugenics output "Playcontinuous: Cycle motor effect" 1000's of times
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07:41 <Lucifer_arma> that would rule
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> no it wouldn't mess it up at all, that's what xml is for
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> the tech tree should be directly represented in xml, so if you loaded it up into a program that showed the xml document tree, you should see the tech tree exactly as you have envisioned it
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> we're not doing validating parsers yet, if at all, so don't worry about dtd's like phil does :)
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> problems come in when you need several techs to get one tech, like civ does
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> could you explain how discipline points are going to work a bit?
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> so you won't get the crosses thataway
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> the basic idea is that disciplines are just conversions
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> they convert resources into tech points, but the tech points are classified by discipline
07:44 <Your_mom_arma> so the techs should only allow 1 tech?
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure, that's what you're trying to figure out :)
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> the xml file should be as expressive as possible, and as flexible as possible. Don't worry about coding from it, we'll tweak it later if we have to to make it easier to manage in code
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> techs can allow more then 1 techs after researched?
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> but they don't convert actual worked resources, because those are used for building shit and trade and stuff
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> yes, they can
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's one of freeciv's limitations we don't need or want
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> probably you want to organize the tech tree into several smaller trees and then cross-reference amongst the trees
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> so make like a military tech tree, an aggie tech tree, a physics tech tree, a chemistry tech tree, an engineering tech tree, etc.
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> then the military tech tree might have <requires "nuclear physics" /> in there somewhere
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> so you'd need nuclear physics from the physics tech tree as well as everything above it
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> so have requires instead of allows, at least tech wise
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's probably better
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> we can figure out what a tech allows with code by just checking what it connects to
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> an alternate is to just make it a linear list like freeciv has, and just have a series of <requires> lines for each tech
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> the tree can still be built from that just fine
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> should the different trees be in different files ie military, physics
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> since it's xml, it should be as readable s possible for people, too
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> let's keep it in one file for now, we might create an include directive later if we need more organization
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> the important things are that we won't limit the maximum number of techs (for no good reason), and we won't limit the tree itself with stupid shit like a tech can only depend on two other techs and that's it
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the freeciv tech file is the same way. It has requires instead of allows, and allows is figured out by the program
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> we just won't have their limitations is all
08:03 <Your_mom_arma> hmm
08:04 <Your_mom_arma> if its separated into engineering military and physics where would flight go?
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> not sure
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> could be engineering, probably should be
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> maybe have separate fighter/bomber techs that are military and depend on flight?
08:14 <Lucifer_arma> I think a more detailed tech tree with cheaper techs is better than a really generic tech tree with expensive techs
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09:00 <Lucifer_arma> oh hell, I'm too sleepy to start the client
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I'll start it tomorrow
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16:50 <epsy> hi
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19:31 <MrBougo> helo
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19:35 <epsy> hay MrBougo
19:36 <epsy> LuciEatsPeople: ping
19:38 <luke-jr_work> O.o
19:40 <MrBougo> hehe epsy
19:40 <epsy> Ö.ø
19:40 <epsy> #ping
19:40 <epsy> !ping
19:40 <BotSub> pong
19:40 <MrBougo> epsy: pong
19:41 <MrBougo> whats botsub
19:41 <epsy> arf xD
19:41 <MrBougo> !help
19:41 <BotSub> MrBougo: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
19:41 <MrBougo> !list alias
19:41 <BotSub> MrBougo: add, c, calc, lock, luke, m, night, q, remove, and unlock
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19:41 <MrBougo> :DDD
19:41 <MrBougo> !luke
19:41 <BotSub> blah blah jesus blah blah i'm great or smth blah blah RTFM blah blah stfu baka noob blah blah
19:41 <MrBougo> wtf :D
19:41 <epsy> #night
19:41 <epsy> !fortune
19:41 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command.
19:41 <epsy> !night
19:41 <BotSub> Goodnight epsy :(
20:08 <MrBougo> http://www.explosm.net/comics/913/
20:08 <MrBougo> oh my f**** god
20:08 <MrBougo> Amazing Comic of the Week
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20:45 <epsy> hmm
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21:04 <vinavil> ARMAGETRONAD IN DEBIAN/UBUNTU!!!!
21:04 <vinavil> actually Version 0.2.8.2.1 is in Debian unstable
21:04 <luke-jr_work> ...
21:04 <vinavil> called armagetronad
21:05 <luke-jr_work> ok
21:05 <vinavil> well, you asked me about package arma for debian/ubuntu
21:05 <vinavil> i just discovered they alredy have someone who will do it
21:06 <luke-jr_work> o
21:06 <luke-jr_work> so why haven't they contacted us?
21:07 <vinavil> dunno, i contacted andreas bombe (found his e-mail somewhere in arma svn or so) to get some info about armagetronad debain package and he answered me that
21:07 <vinavil> wait i paste
21:08 <vinavil> On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:02:46PM +0200, rain wrote:
21:08 <vinavil> >We have a lot of
21:08 <vinavil> > ubuntu/debian users interested to it. Actually armagetron (0.2.7.0-1.1) is
21:08 <vinavil> > the last AA package aveable from debian.org, while the lastest version of
21:08 <vinavil> > AA is 0.2.8.2.1 and we are working for 0.3.
21:08 <vinavil>
21:08 <vinavil> I wasn't working properly on the package so it was indeed quite behind
21:08 <vinavil> for a long time.
21:08 <vinavil>
21:08 <vinavil> Christine Spang <christine@debian.org> has taken over packaging of
21:08 <vinavil> Armagetron Advanced, but not in time to get a current version into the
21:08 <vinavil> current Debian release. Version 0.2.8.2.1 is in Debian unstable,
21:08 <vinavil> however (in case you haven't found it, the package is now named
21:08 <vinavil> armagetronad). In any case, you should contact her about packaging
21:08 <vinavil> issues.
21:08 <vinavil>
21:08 <vinavil> --
21:08 <vinavil> Andreas Bombe
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> is she hot?
21:10 <vinavil> probably
21:10 <vinavil> ...
21:10 <Lucifer_arma> send her an email and ask for a picture
21:11 <luke-jr_work> who wants to email Christine and ask her to upload pkgs to our site? :p
21:11 <vinavil> so luci, just started my work and suddenly finished, fortunately and unfortunately
21:12 <Lucifer_arma> funny, that paste didn't say "0.3.0 is packaged" :)
21:12 <vinavil> since andreas gave the contact to me, i'll contact her for more info
21:12 <vinavil> :)
21:13 <vinavil> why should they add an unstable version?
21:13 <luke-jr_work> they don't have an unstable repo?
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> to help us test?
21:13 <Lucifer_arma> same way we help them test their distribution?
21:14 <vinavil> relax, im not a debian developer :D
21:14 <vinavil> i'll report all to her
21:14 * luke-jr_work does note that 0.3 isn't beta/RC
21:15 <luke-jr_work> so it's not meant for testing so much as for people who want bleeding edge stuff
21:17 * vinavil starts thinking developing is a disease
21:18 <Lucifer_arma> yep
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> it's more like an infectious addiction, I think
21:21 <luke-jr_work> O.o
21:22 <vinavil> yes, probably
21:23 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, any preferences on layout of the client?
21:24 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like freeciv's layout, but I don't know how I'd improve it
21:25 <mkzelda> I'll say that i didnt discover the individual city's ability to research, etc for a long time of playing heh
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'm just going to copy freeciv for now, I think. It's not that hard to change it around later
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> with obvious improvements, like just opening all the report tabs at once
21:26 <mkzelda> i like sidebar navs
21:26 <Lucifer_arma> no sense in forcing the player to do it every game
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> navs?
21:27 <mkzelda> navigation
21:27 <mkzelda> buttons on a sidebar
21:27 <Lucifer_arma> for moving individual units?
21:27 <mkzelda> that let you open units, cities, or research
21:27 <mkzelda> 2 different bars, one static, one changes relating to what you've clicked on
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> ah
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't like those :(
21:28 <Lucifer_arma> I like interactive reports on a tabbed widget
21:28 <mkzelda> yea, im saying those buttons open a tabbed widget
21:29 <mkzelda> so, a top bar that lists units, cities, etc.. and if u click on units the the top bar, then the sidebar lists your different grouped units, and if u click ont hat you get your dialog window
21:29 <Lucifer_arma> the basic layout I'm trying to make is to put the map in the upper-right, a dashboard of sorts to its left, and the console at the bottom
21:30 * epsy loves polling himself
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> ah. I was thinking of grouping ui features by department, so you'd go to department of war to deal with military units and logistics, department of interior for city management, etc.
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> epsy: please, keep it behind closed doors
21:30 <epsy> which doors are these ?
21:30 <Lucifer_arma> doors where we don't see you?
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21:31 <epsy> i love seeing how stupid they are to trust me saying i'm a noob with a buggy name, etc
21:31 <epsy> and they got to kick me, lol
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we just have so many nice widgets available to choose from
21:31 <Lucifer_arma> the dashboard could be a dockwidget, for example
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> which you can pull off and have as a separate window
21:32 <epsy> i regularly make that test
21:32 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you polled yourself in arma, I thought you meant you ctcp'd yourself here
21:32 <mkzelda> i tried like hell to get kicked from xzl last night
21:33 <epsy> it works good on ctwf
21:33 <epsy> on café it doesn't
21:33 <epsy> see where are the noobs ^^
21:34 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: allow abstract controls and micromanaging? :)
21:34 <luke-jr_work> Lucifer_arma: eg, glob2 style + civ style
21:34 <vinavil> ok, i sent her an email about 0.2.8 situation and 0.3 add request
21:34 <Lucifer_arma> I reject every poll someone brings against themself
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> unless they're a smeghead, in which case I accept it in the hopes they'll get kicked, because if it's rejected, they'll have poll protection for a time
21:35 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, if you bring a poll yourself, I figure you could just shift-escape
21:35 <epsy> lol, the ban's stuck on 2 minutes now
21:35 <epsy> and when you should leave
21:35 <epsy> but you don't want to leave
21:35 <mkzelda> on xzl they have their rules... no cussing, offensive remarks, camping, robots or spam
21:36 <epsy> what can you do instead of polling yourself
21:36 <mkzelda> so i go in 'aw fuck, i cant cuss how nazi, watch me camp while doing the robot and visit www.spam.com'
21:36 <epsy> and a fucking long message on every round
21:36 <mkzelda> and then i camp
21:37 * epsy is a real spammer on the grid
21:37 <mkzelda> couldnt get kicked
21:37 <epsy> no, not thru normal chat
21:37 <mkzelda> kept making fun of the server
21:37 <epsy> shufflespam xD
21:37 <mkzelda> 180 all day and only use 0.7rubber
21:37 <mkzelda> but it has 28
21:37 <mkzelda> whats the point of that
21:38 <epsy> yeah i wonder why they all do 180°'s
21:38 <epsy> as it uses nearly nothing of rubber and doesn't get you nearer of the wall
21:39 <epsy> well, this stuck ban seems to tell me to code some
21:39 * epsy agrees to it
21:40 <epsy> http://epsy.is-a-geek.org:4539/~epsy/nick
21:40 <epsy> that's how i chose my nicks ^^
21:42 <epsy> !monologue
21:42 <BotSub> epsy: Error: "monologue" is not a valid command.
21:45 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are punks
21:51 <epsy> why not trying to see how they simply highlights « approve kick »
21:52 <epsy> * ?
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22:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, does freeciv have a file menu?
22:46 <luke-jr_work> doubt it
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23:39 <vinavil> CYCLE_SYNC_INTERVAL_ENEMY: Time in seconds between server-client updates of enemy cycles
23:39 <vinavil> is it meant for "enemy cycles" any other cycle not yours?
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