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00:25  * z-man is for armauthentication
00:36 <z-man> ZThread has one memory leak, otherwise it is really nice.
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00:41 <z-man> It's a one object leak only, so only annoying, not dangerous.
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01:33 <Hoax> so good im here twice
01:33 <Hoax> can you kick Hoax- pls
01:33 <P4> hoax: nickserv ghost it
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01:35 <Hoax-> thx
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02:15 <StickyNoob> heh im researching lag and the arma wiki is the 3rd page i get on google
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02:41 <z-man> StickyNoob: really? What was your search term?
02:41 <vinavil> z-man: the 8-poly cycle (http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1533) model doesn't work well in 0.2.8_alpha20080104. it shows black, so my lightcycle seems headless. it works well in 0.3
02:42 <z-man> Did you test it in 0.2.8.2.1?
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02:43 <vinavil> i used it for long time in 0.2.8.2.1
02:43 <vinavil> no problem there
02:44 <vinavil> just the version you gave me for hickup problems
02:44 <vinavil> do you want i post a screenshot comparsion on the forums?
02:45 <z-man> That would be great
02:45 <z-man> especially becaue I'll forget about it otherwise.
02:45 <vinavil> ok
02:46 <vinavil> ah, another thing
02:46 <vinavil> where can i find info about compiling the latest trunk in mac osx?
02:48 <StickyNoob> z-man: cope with lag programming jump
02:48 <StickyNoob> bizzare collection of words i know
02:53 <z-man> vinavil: In the included README.subversion, I think.
02:54 <StickyNoob> i may have to look through the arma code to see how you guys cope with lag
02:54 <StickyNoob> whats the update rate of arma?
02:54 <z-man> Variable.
02:54 <vinavil> heh
02:55 <StickyNoob> heh that style could ruin my client side prediction
02:56 <vinavil> z-man: well, i was wrong. it worked in linux, but in mac osx it seems it doens't work in any version
02:57 <z-man> Ah, good, then I can blame OpenGL on the mac :)
02:57 <vinavil> z-man: in 0.3 i was confused by sharpness, i can see the back part of it, but not the snout
02:57 <vinavil> how can i solve then?
02:57 <z-man> Dunno, use another model?
02:58 <vinavil> sigh sob
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02:59 <vinavil> how can i draw one? are there particular guidelines to follow?
02:59 <z-man> Yeah, but they're secret :)
03:00  * z-man is sleepy and not much help
03:00 <vinavil> secret? that's good. so, can you draw it for me? :)
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03:05 <ct|kyle> LIES
03:06  * vinavil cries
03:06 <ct|kyle> i bet z-man can pwn drawing using openHL
03:06 <ct|kyle> openGL*
03:08 <vinavil> z-man: prove us you cannot, draw a lightcycle model. and if you are right you will only able to draw a 8-poly model. :D
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04:25 <xfroggy> #m Durka u jinxed packers! i blame it on u! :(
04:25 <armabot> xfroggy: The operation succeeded.
04:32 <vinavil> where can i find this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTfCR7vYe0) sounds moviepack?
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05:22  * xfroggy Pitbull - The Anthem (Ft Lil Jon) - POWERHITZ - #1 FOR THE MOST HITZ & HIP HOP * In HD) www.powerhitz.com -  (x?amarok)
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09:09 <luke-jr> z-man: dashjr.org now auths me with sha1 or md5
09:10 <luke-jr> md5 tolerates both "$password\0" and "$password"
09:10 <z-man> nice.
09:12 <luke-jr> code posted
09:12 <luke-jr> btw, be sure to use === sometimes ☺
09:16 <luke-jr> actually, we should be using some case insensitive match there
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09:36 <luke-jr> z-man: we already have Unicode support in the pipeline
09:37 <z-man> Doesn't change the fact that your character is on on my keyboards.
09:38 <luke-jr> neither are other characters that will be in names shortly
09:38 <luke-jr> in fact, the ® is even mapped by xkb IIRC
09:38 <luke-jr> Meta-R?
09:38 <z-man> Not in usernames.
09:38 <z-man> Nope, not for me.
09:39 <luke-jr> enable it? :þ
09:39 <guru3> if the authentication server does store things like color, wouldn't the client have to authenticate directly to download that information and update its settings, and then the server have to authenticate again?
09:39 <luke-jr> guru3: that would only be XMPP-based
09:39 <luke-jr> which is different from the HTTP method
09:39 <z-man> guru3: I'm trying not to think about that stuff yet.
09:40 <guru3> ok
09:40 <luke-jr> hm
09:40 <guru3> what i really had been thinking about was things like won_rounds, won_matches, etc
09:40 <z-man> luke-jr: when I complain because something is not on my keyboard/system, I usually do so because it means it won't be on a lot of other peoples' keyboards/systems.
09:40 <luke-jr> z-man: seeing as name mangling already hit a problem with the space-removal, perhaps I'm addressing it wrong
09:41 <luke-jr> new approach:
09:41 <guru3> also what about differentiating between user names and login names?
09:41 <luke-jr> different mangled names are unavoidable; how do I live with it?
09:41 <guru3> be able to login as Tank Program@forums.armagetronad.net but have my name be whatever I want?
09:41 <guru3> (then something like /players show who is authenticated as who)
09:41 <luke-jr> guru3: AFAIK, that's already the plan
09:41 <luke-jr> display vs username
09:42 <z-man> yes, screen name and user name will be different.
09:42 <guru3> ok, but so now the issue is a way to tell between authenticated people and non authenticated for the logs?
09:42 <z-man> non-authenticated people have nothing after the @ :)
09:43 <guru3> or you can pad out names to 16 characters then have the @
09:43 <guru3> so in logs it's always at least 17 characters
09:43 <guru3> if it's > then you know they're authenticated
09:43 <guru3> and then it doesn't matter if there's @ in the name or not
09:43 <z-man> Umm, if I want to be z@short.com?
09:44 <guru3> that's fine
09:44 <luke-jr> Edit: new approach: the fact that mangling will change is unavoidable
09:44 <luke-jr>  Can we get ladderlog to record the unmangled names when someone logins in or renames?
09:44 <guru3> it just would show z               @short.com in logs
09:44 <z-man> looks wrong to me, I don't know.
09:44 <luke-jr> guru3: mangling may result in > 16 char mangled names in the future
09:44 <luke-jr> for example, a 16 character Japanese display name
09:44 <luke-jr> would get mangled to 32+
09:45 <guru3> well. that would be an issue
09:45 <luke-jr> also, space is our delimiter atm :þ
09:45 <guru3> if you're doing regexp matching though
09:45 <luke-jr> space is also the only character we don't remap in Latin-1 afaik
09:45 <luke-jr> ACTUALLY NO
09:45 <luke-jr> we have the letter O for abuse
09:45  * luke-jr ponders
09:46 <luke-jr> o:[method:]user@server ?
09:46 <luke-jr> or is it the number 0?
09:47 <guru3> i think you're going to confuse a lot of people with method
09:47 <luke-jr> the [] means method is optional
09:47 <guru3> i know
09:47 <luke-jr> so 0:luke@dashjr.org
09:47 <luke-jr> and maybe in the future 0:xmpp:luke@dashjr.org
09:47 <luke-jr> assuming we need to use it like that, which is not likely
09:50 <guru3> for authentication.armagetronad.net we can authenticate from the forums and the wiki
09:50 <luke-jr> I think a-z_+.1-9- is logical for the allowed characters in username/server?
09:50 <luke-jr> guru3: forums are impossible IIRC?
09:50 <guru3> only if you want https
09:50 <luke-jr> since phpBB only stores an unusable hash
09:51 <luke-jr> why do we need https? I never understood that part ☹
09:51 <guru3> i suppose we don't really
09:51 <luke-jr> seeing as the connection is untrusted anyway, what does it matter if yet another untrusted third party sniffs it?
09:52 <guru3> well if you eventually secure between the server and client
09:54 <luke-jr> iksemel supports TLS, so XMPP support for encryption is automatic
10:32 <luke-jr> guru3: The requested URL /hashuser.php was not found on this server.
10:32 <guru3> might be userhash
10:32 <guru3> hashauth even
10:32 <luke-jr> guru3: also, nobody wants to type authentication.armagetronad.net ☺
10:32 <luke-jr> when we do get to that point, I suggest p.armagetronad.net or such
10:33 <luke-jr> guru3: how did you get around the fact that phpBB does not store the passwords?
10:33 <guru3> it stores the md5s
10:34 <luke-jr> it stores the md5(password+'\0')?
10:34 <guru3> no
10:34 <luke-jr> Warning: mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/.porgy/guru3/authentication.armagetronad.net/hashauth.php on line 17
10:34 <luke-jr> guru3: md5(password) is not used at all currently
10:35 <guru3> i know
10:35 <guru3> one thing at a time though
10:36 <luke-jr> I just don't see how you have it working :o
10:36 <guru3> well it works with things without \-
10:36 <luke-jr> heh, I just found an exploit to all this :\
10:36 <guru3> \0
10:36 <luke-jr> should I keep it secret or tell you all? XD
10:38 <guru3> ><
10:38 <guru3> i can mod the forums
10:38 <luke-jr> posted in the dev forum
10:38 <guru3> to record password + \0 in another row
10:38 <guru3> on successful login
10:38 <luke-jr> oooh
10:38 <luke-jr> good idea
10:39 <luke-jr> record SHA1 too, while you're at it ☺
10:39 <luke-jr> actually
10:39 <luke-jr> would be nice if I could login with luke@dashjr.org eventually ;)
10:39 <luke-jr> have it use the same auth system as Arma
10:40 <guru3> phpbb?
10:40 <luke-jr> ?
10:40 <luke-jr> yeah, have the forums and wiki use our distributed auth ☺
10:40 <guru3> mmm
10:40 <guru3> i suppose it might be possible
10:40 <guru3> would certainly screw with spammers
10:40 <luke-jr> IIRC, both support non-internal auth backends
10:41 <guru3> nothing like tweaking phpbb from vi
10:43 <luke-jr> wee
10:43  * guru3 mutters darkly about phpbb's sql thingy
10:44 <luke-jr> so what do you think of my exploit?
10:44 <z-man> Posted it :)
10:44 <z-man> guru3: tell us when we can log in to get our new and shiny md5 !
10:44 <luke-jr> ah, z-man debunked it
10:45 <guru3> a mysql tinytext field is 255 characters right?
10:45  * luke-jr claps for z-man being a genius and predicting today from X years ago
10:46 <guru3> how many characters in sha1 luke-jr ?
10:46 <luke-jr> binary or hex printed?
10:46 <guru3> hex printed
10:46 <guru3> like how echo sha1() would show in php
10:47 <luke-jr> luke-jr@yokochan ~ $ php <<<"<?=sha1('');" | wc -c
10:47 <luke-jr> 40
10:49 <luke-jr> z-man: will I be getting PLAYER_RENAMED luke-jr 0:luke@dashjr.org on login?
10:49 <z-man> I think so, yes.
10:50 <guru3> what i need to store in the database
10:50 <z-man> I don't know about this 0: business yet
10:50 <guru3> is md5($password.pack('H*','00')); ?
10:50 <luke-jr> guru3: md5($password.@pack('H*','00')) and sha1($password)
10:50 <luke-jr> z-man: doesn't it solve both our concerns?
10:50 <z-man> umm, you guys know you can replace the pack bit by . char(0) ?
10:51 <guru3> ok
10:51 <luke-jr> z-man: you wrote it first!
10:51 <z-man> Yeah :)
10:51 <z-man> But if you copy code from a n00b, what does that make you?
10:51 <luke-jr> chr(0) *
10:51 <luke-jr> z-man: if I don't know the reason, I assume it's sound ☺
10:51 <luke-jr> for example, those $salt = @$_GET['salt'] . '';
10:52 <luke-jr> $salt = $_GET['salt'] seems fine to me
10:52  * z-man wrote "first php script evar, woot!" in the first post
10:52 <luke-jr>     checkPass($f("$realPassword\0"));
10:52 <luke-jr> so there
10:53 <z-man> that works?
10:53 <luke-jr> yes
10:53 <guru3> gee
10:53 <guru3> i hope i just didn't kill the forums
10:53 <guru3> :D
10:53 <luke-jr> :o
10:53 <luke-jr> guru3: you did backup, right?
10:53 <luke-jr> s/did/do
10:53 <guru3> ba... what? ;)
10:53 <guru3> nah i'm not making such major changes as that
10:54 <luke-jr> well, I mean, you do backup on a regular basis? ☺
10:54 <guru3> semi-regular
10:54 <guru3> a full backup with attachments about once every year or two
10:54 <luke-jr> z-man: btw, I propose snipping the / off after 'md5'
10:54 <guru3> a backup of the database every couple months
10:54 <luke-jr> in the URI
10:54 <luke-jr> eg, http://host/armaauth/md5?…
10:54 <z-man> sure.
10:54 <luke-jr> should work whether it's a directory or not
10:55 <luke-jr> Apache will map md5 to md5.php I think
10:56 <guru3> z-man: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: char() in /home/.porgy/guru3/forums.armagetronad.net/login.php on line 80
10:56 <luke-jr> or can be confiugred to anyhow
10:56 <guru3> all hail z-man for breaking the forums
10:56 <luke-jr> guru3:     checkPass($f("$realPassword\0"));
10:56 <z-man> what did I say about following coding examples from a n00b?
10:56 <guru3> luke-jr: i didn't directly copy and paste your functions
10:56 <luke-jr> guru3: "$password\0"
10:56 <luke-jr> \0 is the key
10:56 <z-man> it would have been .chr(0), now I remember :)
10:57 <luke-jr> let's rewrite Arma in Perl!
10:57 <guru3> well
10:57 <guru3> that didn't work
10:57 <guru3> -_-
10:57  * luke-jr runs for cover
10:57 <luke-jr> guru3: ?
10:57 <guru3> it didn't update the table like i wanted
10:58 <z-man> My PHP knowledge can be summed up like this:
10:58 <z-man> it's C syntax mixed with BASIC variables.
10:58 <z-man> And tons of useful functions :)
10:58 <luke-jr> guru3: user_md5?
10:59 <luke-jr> guru3: pastebin the code so I can help? ☺
10:59 <guru3> bah
10:59 <guru3> still didn't work
11:00 <luke-jr> guru3: pastebin the code so I can help? ☺
11:00 <guru3> now... i'm not so sure
11:00 <guru3> if may have worked
11:00 <guru3> and mysql might have just been laggy
11:00 <luke-jr> lol
11:00 <guru3> *it
11:00 <guru3> want to logout and log back in?
11:01 <luke-jr> done
11:01 <guru3> it worked
11:02 <guru3> now to alter authentication. some to support it\
11:02 <luke-jr> did it?
11:02 <guru3> yes
11:02 <luke-jr> ok
11:02 <guru3> 82f7509a631a758b3ce862b1ef1ec4d3882d16c8
11:02 <guru3> the sha1 of the sha1 of your password
11:03 <luke-jr> nope
11:03 <luke-jr> ☹
11:03 <luke-jr> or
11:03 <luke-jr> maybe ☺
11:03  * luke-jr is doing it wrong
11:03 <guru3> sha1(sha1('yourpass goes here'));
11:03 <luke-jr> that's what I did
11:03 <luke-jr> and it's wrong
11:04 <luke-jr> need to pack the inside sha1
11:04 <guru3> i didn't pack it
11:04 <z-man> or pass it a "binary" flag?
11:04 <z-man> md5 has one.
11:04 <luke-jr> true
11:04 <guru3> $sha1sql = "UPDATE " . USERS_TABLE . " SET user_sha1 = '".sha1($password)."' WHERE username = '" . str_replace("\\'", "''", $username) . "'";
11:04 <guru3> that's what phpbb does
11:04 <luke-jr> that's fine
11:05 <guru3> what i did was select user_sha1
11:05 <luke-jr> you'll just need to pack it before using it in auth
11:05 <guru3> then copy and pasted it
11:05 <guru3> into sha1
11:05 <guru3> and then pasted the output here
11:05 <luke-jr> sha1(pack('H*', $user_sha1))
11:05 <guru3> that's not what i did for here though
11:05 <luke-jr> plus the salt
11:05 <luke-jr> ok
11:05 <luke-jr> then it's right
11:05 <guru3> yes
11:05 <guru3> it is
11:06 <luke-jr> :
11:06 <guru3> stupid doing php in vi
11:08 <guru3> even worse
11:08 <guru3> a vi without syntax highlighting
11:09 <luke-jr> KWrite works well
11:09 <guru3> i'm coding directly on the webhost
11:09 <z-man> [0] Fetching authentication URL http://authentication.armagetronad.net/hashauth.php?user=z-man&salt=a97bc10d21997184034e7f5fba3bd41d&hash=eb427ae04c7cd0700c96686c0ef28ba9
11:09 <z-man> [0] 2
11:09 <z-man> [0] Answer: <br />
11:09 <z-man> <b>Warning</b>:  mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in[0]
11:09 <z-man> FIX IT!
11:09 <guru3> try
11:09 <guru3> again
11:09 <z-man> :
11:09 <luke-jr> PASSWORD_FAIL
11:10 <guru3> try now
11:10 <guru3> the sha1 btw does the pack00 as well
11:10 <z-man> Fatal error: Function name must be a string in /home/.porgy/guru3/authentication.armagetronad.net/hashauth.php on line 22
11:10 <guru3> i'm a victim of typos\
11:10 <luke-jr> guru3: wtf pack00?
11:10 <guru3> uhhh never mind
11:11 <z-man> PASSWORD_OK
11:11 <z-man> yay!
11:11 <guru3> banzai
11:11 <luke-jr> only \0 md5 works for me now
11:11 <guru3> what you want everything?
11:11 <luke-jr> lol
11:11 <guru3> i'm trying to make this thing generic
11:11 <guru3> so that i can hook it up to many databases
11:12 <luke-jr> /armaauth/md5 should work for both md5\0 and md5
11:12 <guru3> this is slowly going out the window
11:12 <luke-jr> /armaauth/sha1 should work for sha1
11:12 <guru3> can we not have md50 and md5? :>
11:12 <luke-jr> md5n?
11:12 <luke-jr> ask z-man ☺
11:12 <z-man> I'd also suggest to keep the old legacy \0 md5 auth separate.
11:13 <luke-jr> yay, good
11:13 <z-man> I don't care about the name :)
11:13 <guru3> well right now there's just legacy
11:13 <guru3> and then there's sha1
11:13 <luke-jr> so md5, md5n, and sha1 are our existing methods?
11:13 <guru3> no, there's broken md5 and sha1
11:13 <z-man> heh
11:13 <guru3> on autehntication.
11:13 <luke-jr> ?
11:13 <z-man> we shoulc call it bmd5
11:13 <luke-jr> ok
11:13 <guru3> authentication.armagetronad.net supports two methods right now
11:14 <luke-jr> bmd5 then
11:14 <luke-jr> my PHP code already works with either XD
11:14 <guru3> wahhhh i don't want to rewrite large chunks of phpbb so that this works properly
11:14 <guru3> you have a very convienient lack of database luke-jr ;)
11:14 <luke-jr> guru3: I offered to help ;)
11:14 <guru3> rewrite phpbb? :>
11:14 <luke-jr> pastebin the code, this time for the hashauth
11:15 <z-man> and the true md5 should support arbitrary pre-and postfix on the password (in the server/client code, the auth server picks them)
11:15 <luke-jr> are we going to upgrade to phpBB3 any time soon?
11:15 <guru3> i was thinking about it
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11:15 <guru3> but there's nothing for mod_heirarchy last i looked
11:15 <luke-jr> what's that?
11:15 <guru3> the thing that lets us have sub forums
11:15 <z-man> subforums?
11:15 <luke-jr> subforums are builtin now
11:15 <guru3> not on what we're using
11:15 <guru3> and you can't do a direct upgrade
11:15 <luke-jr> o
11:15 <guru3> because of the mod
11:16 <guru3> non standard db
11:16 <luke-jr> hm
11:16 <guru3> and the mod auther hasn't written and update script yet either
11:16 <guru3> so it'd be hours of manually dissasembling the subforums
11:16 <guru3> into flat forums
11:16 <guru3> then upgrading, hoping it works, and reassembling
11:16 <luke-jr> guru3: or comparing the schemas and writing a SQL script to upgrade it :þ
11:17 <guru3> :S
11:17 <guru3> our database... isn't quite standard anymore either
11:18 <luke-jr> I'm aware
11:18 <luke-jr> anyway, bmd5 is the only method that really matters at the moment
11:21 <guru3> i need a rewrite rule that's only for /hashauth/*
11:22 <luke-jr> you mean /armaauth/*
11:22 <guru3> no
11:22 <guru3> hashauth would be good
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11:23 <luke-jr> are we not planning to use HTTP for discovery of supported methods in the future?
11:23 <guru3> we are?
11:23 <luke-jr> last I checked, but we don't need to
11:24 <luke-jr> I'm fine with autodetection and/or NAPTR
11:24 <luke-jr> RewriteRule ^/?hashauth/(.*?)/?$ hashauth.php?method=$1&%{QUERY_STRING}
11:25 <guru3> thanks
11:27 <luke-jr> z-man: I think now is a good time to commit branches/0.2.8-auth, if you don't mind ☺
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11:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7558 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/: branched authentication for collective work on it.
11:30 <guru3> right
11:30 <guru3> i've posted the spec of authentication. now
11:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7559 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/armagetronad/ (16 files in 6 dirs): Commited patch 0.4, basically.
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11:34 <luke-jr> GAAAH
11:35 <luke-jr> brb, might as well reboot to get my second monitor back
11:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7560 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/armagetronad/src/network/nKrawallPrivate.cpp: Adapted to Tank's forum based auth script. Login with "/login authentication.armagetronad.net" now :)
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11:41 <guru3> woot
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11:50 <luke-jr> ok, that worked
11:50 <luke-jr> #last --nolimit
11:50 <armabot> luke-jr: [11:54:43] <luke-jr> ok, that worked, [11:45:55] <guru3> woot, [11:39:56] <luke-jr> brb, might as well reboot to get my second monitor back, [11:38:53] <luke-jr> GAAAH, [11:34:30] <guru3> i've posted the spec of authentication. now, [11:34:25] <guru3> right, [11:31:22] <luke-jr> z-man: I think now is a good time to commit branches/0.2.8-auth, if you don't mind ☺, [11:29:21] <guru3> thanks, (50 more messages)
11:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7561 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/armagetronad/src/network/nKrawall.cpp: Removed extra semicolon.
11:55 <luke-jr> z-man: is it going by 'krawall'?
11:57 <zmanuel> I'm keeping old names to faciliate merging.
11:57 <zmanuel> Once its' fully merged, we should pick a new name.
11:58 <guru3> armathentication
11:58 <zmanuel> Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to post, especially for luke-jr: NO MERGING TO OR FROM THE -auth BRANCH.
11:58 <zmanuel> absolutely none.
11:58 <guru3> (as lucier suggested yesterday)
11:58 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7562 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.2.8_alpha7561.ebuild: auth USE flag
11:58 <luke-jr> …
11:59 <luke-jr> I kill -9'd that commit
11:59 <luke-jr> zmanuel: TO?
11:59 <luke-jr> ever?
11:59 <zmanuel> Well, once it is finished, it will be merged somewhere, obviously.
12:00 <zmanuel> But until them, all bugfix merges to it would make merging it only more difficult.
12:00  * luke-jr was expecting 0.2.8-auth to remain a fork with bugfixes merged into it
12:00 <zmanuel> No, that does not make too much sense.
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12:02 <zmanuel> We will extract a patch that combines all the changes to the branch once it is finished.
12:02 <zmanuel> Then users are free to apply it or not.
12:02 <zmanuel> Maybe we'll apply it ourselves to 0.2.8, we'll see about that. The patch doesn't do all that much if --enable-krawallserver is not set.
12:03 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7563 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/ (2 files in 2 dirs): auth USE flag part 2
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12:05 <zmanuel> Hmm, looks like we'll need to supply a gcc-4.x compatibility patch to zthread, or make -fpermissive a default.
12:05 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
12:05  * z-man was afraid that would happen
12:05 <luke-jr> 0.2.8.3 almost feels like it should be 0.2.9 or something
12:05 <luke-jr> if it's not already gcc-4.x compatible, that implies it's not maintained
12:05 <luke-jr> which would imply we need to maintain it ourselves :x
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12:06 <z-man> Yeah, no big deal.  The code is quite clean, so keeping it up to date with compiler compatibility fixes should be easy.
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12:10 <z-man> The fixes I had to do were all of the (memberfunction) -> (this->memberfunction) kind you have to do in templated methods.
12:10 <z-man> Bugfarm Elimination Sumo has been updated, you can now log in.
12:11 <z-man> Not that it gives you any advantage :)
12:12 <guru3> does /players show if you're logged in or not?
12:14 <luke-jr> z-man: cancel auth => kick
12:14 <luke-jr> and authentication failed
12:15 <z-man> Not kick.
12:15 <luke-jr> it does
12:15 <z-man> The client leaves on its own devices.
12:15 <luke-jr> o
12:15 <luke-jr> dumb client
12:15 <z-man> Yes :)
12:15  * luke-jr calls that a bug
12:15  * z-man agrees.
12:15 <z-man> guru3: not currently.
12:16 <luke-jr> z-man: I don't see any auth request
12:16 <luke-jr> something in your logs?
12:17 <z-man> No, nothing, what did you do?
12:17 <luke-jr> tried to login
12:17 <z-man> how?
12:17 <luke-jr> /login
12:17 <z-man> try /login authentication.armagetronad.net
12:17 <z-man> plain /login is looking for local accounts.
12:18 <luke-jr> is it not parsing user@server?
12:18 <luke-jr> i c
12:18 <z-man> No
12:18 <z-man> most user@server names would not fit into the player names.
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12:29 <wrtlprnft> wtf
12:29 <wrtlprnft> my client just decided to quit,
12:30 <wrtlprnft> i need to be doing other stuff, anyways
12:30 <spidey> lol
12:30 <luke-jr> hm
12:30 <spidey> i don't get this
12:30 <luke-jr> z-man: I'm seeing double auth GETs
12:31 <wrtlprnft> by the way, am i right that arma's authentication is now more secure than forums.aa.net's? ;)
12:31 <luke-jr> z-man: also, should we consider using standard HTTP response codes? ☺
12:31 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes :)
12:31 <spidey> $_SERVER[PHP_SELF] doesn't work the way i want it to unless i jump out of php then call it
12:31 <luke-jr> spidey: __FILE__
12:32 <spidey> will that work with print '';
12:32 <spidey> ?
12:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:32 <spidey> the way i'm wanting it to*
12:32 <wrtlprnft> print 'hi ' . __FILE__ . ' ih'; should work, at least
12:32 <spidey> it's a action=""
12:32 <spidey> form
12:32 <z-man> luke-jr: there are standard codes? how would we read them?
12:32 <spidey> posting to the same page = why i needed it
12:32 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Loor/race/racetowz-1.02.aamap.xml: Resource by Loor
12:33 <wrtlprnft> err
12:33 <luke-jr> z-man: pretty sure the resource fetcher checks for 404
12:33 <luke-jr> z-man: 401 = Unauthorized
12:33 <luke-jr> 200 = OK
12:33 <wrtlprnft> <form action="?" metod="post">…</form>?
12:33 <z-man> Can the php script return it?
12:33 <luke-jr> however, if we use 401, the standard says we should also use HTTP's authentication headers
12:33 <luke-jr> yes
12:33 <luke-jr> header('Status: 401 Unauthorized'); IIRC
12:34 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i've tried about 4 different ways, i need $_SERVER[PHP_SELF] to be the action
12:34 <spidey> but, when i use it in a print '' it doesn't give the same results
12:34 <z-man> can't see why we should not use it. Standards a good.
12:34 <wrtlprnft> first of all i suggest you use $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']
12:34 <luke-jr> not sure if nanohttp can send HTTP auth tho
12:34 <wrtlprnft> but it's a normal string
12:35 <spidey> tried it
12:35 <spidey> and "PHP_SELF"
12:35 <spidey> with escapes of course
12:35 <wrtlprnft> print('<form action="' . urlencode($_SERVER['PHP_SELF']) . '" method="post">');
12:35 <spidey> mm
12:35 <spidey> didn't try that one
12:37 <spidey> lol
12:37 <spidey> that returns the same as the others with one exception
12:37 <spidey> the \ = %2
12:37 <wrtlprnft> then leave out the urlencode
12:37 <wrtlprnft> that was a stupid idea
12:37 <spidey> i've tried it that way already
12:37 <wrtlprnft> and get rid of the backslashes!
12:38 <spidey> it returns /cms/index.php
12:38 <wrtlprnft> well, what exactly do you need
12:38 <spidey> ok
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12:39 <wrtlprnft> you might try $_SERVER['SCRIPT_URI'], too
12:39 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/qs.php
12:39 <spidey> i'm wanting the form to post to the script, which is on the same page
12:39 <spidey> like it does when you use it like this
12:39 <spidey> ?><form action="<? $_SERVER["PHP_SELF"] ?>" /><?
12:40 <spidey> but it has a different affect when i try and use it in a print
12:40 <wrtlprnft> ?!
12:40 <spidey> ok
12:40 <spidey> http://wtfhax.net/cms/?page=shoutbox
12:41 <spidey> ctrl+f shoutbox
12:41 <spidey> oh wait
12:41 <spidey> forgot to change it
12:41 <spidey> ok
12:41 <spidey> when i use it in a print
12:41 <spidey> the action becomes /cms/index.php
12:42 <spidey> when i escape from php to html, it works
12:42 <wrtlprnft> stupid special handling of stuff
12:42 <wrtlprnft> try SCRIPT_URI, maybe that's better
12:42 <spidey> k
12:43 <spidey> nope
12:43 <wrtlprnft> doesn't even exist
12:43 <spidey> well
12:43 <wrtlprnft> then do print_r($_SERVER) somewhere
12:43 <spidey> that's how it looks when i use it like this
12:43 <wrtlprnft> and look for the thing that suits you best
12:44 <spidey> ?><form action="<? $_SERVER["PHP_SELF"] ?>" /><?
12:49 <spidey> oh i think i know what it is
12:49 <spidey> :|
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13:52 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7569 /tools/http-auth-server/trunk/.htaccess: new rewriterule
13:59 <spidey> luke-jr, sux
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14:04 <luke-jr> :o
14:05 <spidey> :O
14:05 <spidey> i sitll haven't been to sleep
14:05 <luke-jr> spidey: nut
14:06 <spidey> been playing my local civ game and working on meh site
14:06 <luke-jr> lol
14:08 <spidey> armabot, weather 38256
14:08 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in Paris, Tennessee is 12.6°F (7:12 AM CST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.61 in 1036.5 hPa (Steady).
14:08 <spidey> oh ffs
14:08 <luke-jr> turn the heat on spidey
14:08 <spidey> only got 2 electric heaters and a propane heater
14:09 <luke-jr> that's messed up
14:09 <spidey> the propane heater runs off one of those huge tanks outside
14:09 <luke-jr> your house doesn't have heat?
14:09 <spidey> there's a heater in the hall
14:09 <spidey> one of the electric heaters are in the bathroom because the insulation in this house sucks
14:10 <spidey> then there's a electric foot heater i have my feet on atm =p
14:10 <spidey> it has "limited" heat
14:10 <spidey> thinking about moving back upstairs, it's always warm up there xD
14:15 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r7570 /armagetronad/trunk/build/gentoo/overlay/games-action/armagetronad-live/armagetronad-live-0.2.8_alpha7561.ebuild: configure works a bit different than I expected
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14:39 <luke-jr> spidey is bragging about how he's legally insane
14:39 <luke-jr> wtf
14:45 <GodTodd__> he just so much wants to be like you
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14:46 <luke-jr> GodTodd: you should learn the difference between first and second person someday
14:46 <GodTodd> i know it better than you ever will :)
15:12 <worm> hmmm it's been awhile
15:12 <luke-jr> wtf is worm
15:14 <luke-jr> worm: wtf are you? :þ
15:15 <luke-jr> #rating worms3r
15:15 <luke-jr> worm: that you?
15:15 <worm> stempo a.k.a. Genki
15:15 <armabot> luke-jr: worms3r is 117th with a rating of 1611-1682 (from 1612-1681)
15:15 <luke-jr> o
15:15 <P4> Genki oO
15:15 <worm> P4 :D
15:15 <luke-jr> #rating genki
15:15 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'genki'!
15:15 <worm> lol
15:15 <luke-jr> #aka worms3r
15:15 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿592 worms3r
15:16 <luke-jr> meh
15:16 <worm> I haven't played tron in about a yea
15:16 <worm> year
15:16 <luke-jr> i c
15:16 <luke-jr> we have authentication now… sortof
15:18 <worm> not really
15:18 <worm> P4 you still in CT?
15:20 <luke-jr> #rating ctxp4
15:20 <armabot> luke-jr: ctxp4 is 356th with a rating of 1555-1607 (from 1556-1606)
15:23 <P4> yea
15:23 <P4> CT ftw ;)
15:24 <P4> we got quite new server now ;)
15:24 <P4> #si flower
15:24 <armabot> P4: Flower Power Sumo Assault: Players (9/12): -=zozo||, Betu, Bloody_Jin, coconut, emphasis, LAGGER, puSsy°, TrT~GöKu, ~*Omega*~
15:24 <luke-jr> #rating2 ctxp4 ed
15:24 <armabot> luke-jr: ctxp4 is 94th with a rating of 1441-1563 (from 1442-1562) on ed
15:24 <P4> what's ed?
15:24 <luke-jr> that server
15:24 <P4> ed's flower? lol! :D
15:24 <P4> anyway i suck there
15:24 <P4> im good only in single player challange :)
15:25 <luke-jr> :þ
15:25 <P4> http://crazy-tronners.com/ladders_solo_sumo.php :D
15:27 <luke-jr> ladder sucks
15:27 <luke-jr> tell ed to put it on ratings :þ
15:27 <P4> tell it yourself :P he's here :)
15:27 <luke-jr> eddiefantastic:
15:28 <P4> and i like our ladders
15:28 <worm> flower power sumo....
15:28 <worm> okies off to play some tron xD
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15:34 <worm> MR B!
15:35 <luke-jr> #rating2 phoen!x aos_ctf
15:35 <armabot> luke-jr: phoen!x is 5th with a rating of 1672-2285 on aos_ctf
15:35 <MrBougo> WORM WTF
15:35 <worm> wow
15:35 <MrBougo> who is worm?
15:35 <luke-jr> #rating phoen!x
15:35 <armabot> luke-jr: phoen!x is 1613th with a rating of 1428-1881
15:36 <luke-jr> wow
15:36 <luke-jr> must be pretty good at ctf >_<
15:36 <MrBougo> :o
15:36 <worm> :O
15:36 <luke-jr> #rating2 phoen!x ww_ctf
15:36 <armabot> luke-jr: phoen!x is 1387th with a rating of 1099-1598 on ww_ctf
15:36 <luke-jr> or he just got lucky on AOS
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15:53 <luke-jr> #rating madmax
15:53 <armabot> luke-jr: madmax is 170th with a rating of 1596-1641 (from 1590-1633)
15:55 <guru3> luke-jr: [env=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization}] <-- what's that do?
15:58 <luke-jr> guru3: gives us access to the Authorization header
15:59 <guru3> i put that line in .htaccess and it gives a 500
15:59 <luke-jr> hmm, I have a real armaauth dir, so I didn't test it as a root dir
15:59 <luke-jr> maybe the regex is buggy
15:59  * luke-jr tests
15:59 <guru3> everything else i could port just fine
15:59 <guru3> except for that line -_-
16:00 <luke-jr> guru3: works for me :\
16:01 <luke-jr> tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
16:01 <guru3>  Invalid command '[env=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%{HTTP:Authorization}]', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
16:03 <guru3> ahhh
16:03 <guru3> that's supposed to be on the same line
16:03 <guru3> showing on a new line in the post
16:03 <luke-jr> yeah
16:03 <luke-jr> btw, this is in Svn now
16:03 <guru3> :S
16:03 <luke-jr> tools/http-auth-server/trunk
16:04 <luke-jr> in case you want to merge or smth
16:04 <guru3> my configuration might be a bit... whacky because i'm planning to link it to the forums, wiki, and a seperate set of tables
16:04 <guru3> so right now i have basic multi database support
16:04 <luke-jr> hm
16:04 <guru3> which entirely goes out the window of having certain databases with only certain types with this 401 response
16:04 <luke-jr> what about overlaps? >_<
16:05 <guru3> heirarchy
16:05 <guru3> goes to the forums first
16:05 <guru3> only goes there for now
16:05 <guru3> but easy enough to go to any other db
16:05 <guru3> just need to add a few lines in config.php
16:05 <luke-jr> yeah, you can have it list the supported types on a per user basis in theory
16:05 <guru3> not with how i have it setup
16:06 <luke-jr> hm
16:07 <luke-jr> z-man's code added some annoying division between username and authority :|
16:07 <luke-jr> which is why you need to specify authority to /login instead of appending @server
16:09 <guru3> guess i'll try merging the scripts
16:10 <guru3> oh poo
16:10 <luke-jr> ?
16:10 <guru3> hashauth vs armaauth
16:10 <luke-jr> I renamed it when the code ceased to be hash-specific :x
16:10 <guru3> i suppose you might have a point there
16:11 <guru3> time to send myself the code i wrote
16:11 <luke-jr> armaauth might not be the best name, but I can't think of anything better >_<
16:11 <guru3> armathentication
16:11 <guru3> :>
16:11 <luke-jr> armaauth for short then XD
16:15 <guru3> i need a way to combine arrays -_-
16:16 <guru3> or really append them together
16:16 <luke-jr> +
16:16 <guru3> ah
16:16 <luke-jr> but, it only works for associative arrays
16:16 <guru3> what do you know
16:16 <luke-jr> if two items share the same index/key, one is dropped
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16:18 <guru3> basically, im over writing your armaauth
16:18 <guru3> with all of your improvements
16:18 <guru3> but actually hooked up to a db
16:19 <luke-jr> O.o
16:19 <luke-jr> hooking up to db shouldn't be extensive changing ☺
16:19 <guru3> multiple db
16:19 <luke-jr> that either ☺
16:19 <guru3> it is
16:19 <guru3> :<
16:19 <luke-jr> :/
16:19 <guru3> well i mean
16:19 <guru3> it's not really
16:19 <guru3> but theres so much around
16:19 <guru3> and i did other design changes
16:20 <luke-jr> should just be a query to check name/vhost
16:20 <guru3> that it's easier to overwrite
16:20 <luke-jr> and another to check the passwords
16:20 <guru3> you'll see
16:20  * luke-jr gets scared
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16:30 <guru3> done
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16:32  * luke-jr peers at armabot
16:34 <guru3> yeah
16:35 <guru3> it works when i do ?method=
16:35 <guru3> but fails when i do armaauth/md5/
16:37 <guru3> somehow it's taking armaauth as the method in that case
16:38 <cusco> what is armaauth?
16:38 <luke-jr> cusco: authentication
16:38 <cusco> what is authentication required for?>
16:38 <guru3> nothing
16:38 <guru3> yet
16:38 <cusco> -_-
16:38 <cusco> hmm
16:38 <cusco> what are the plans?
16:39 <cusco> registering usernames?
16:39 <guru3> there's a thread on the forums
16:39 <luke-jr> guru3: so how is the overlapping namespace supposed to work again?
16:39 <guru3> you authenticate out of the main server
16:39 <luke-jr> eg, how do you stop someone from registering the name foobar on the forums?
16:39 <guru3> not out of the specifically attached database
16:39 <cusco> hmm sorry but Im not a consistent reader...
16:40 <luke-jr> cusco: do you have a forum account?
16:40 <guru3> luke-jr: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18176
16:40 <cusco> I don't think so :p
16:40 <guru3> cusco: that was for you
16:40 <guru3> not luke-jr
16:40 <cusco> ok
16:40 <luke-jr> guru3: what if the same name is 3 different people on each service? :\
16:40 <guru3> then they're fucked?
16:41 <luke-jr> -.-
16:41 <guru3> i don't know yet
16:41 <guru3> but like
16:41 <guru3> as long as they have different passwords
16:41 <guru3> it only results in difficulty for the people telling them apart
16:41 <luke-jr> they would still appear as the same account
16:41 <luke-jr> which totally defeats the purpose..
16:42 <cusco> what is xmpp?
16:42 <guru3> luke-jr: i'm working on it -_-
16:42 <luke-jr> cusco: the standards for realtime communication over the internet
16:43 <guru3> but i need to go shopping now
16:43 <guru3> so i'll think about it while walking
16:44 <cusco> so...
16:44 <cusco> # 1: as soon as one player logs in, only logged in users can play
16:44 <cusco> this setting does it make sense?
16:44 <cusco> hold on.. is this loggin in stuff with the main master server or with the individualservers?
16:52 <cusco> ok it looks like individual servers
16:55 <luke-jr> cusco: neither
16:55 <luke-jr> I can login as luke@dashjr.org on any auth-enabled server
17:00 <luke-jr> cusco: and in theory, people can login with their forum account @authentication.armagetronad.net
17:00 <luke-jr> cusco: but you need to login on the forum once before it will work
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17:27 <flex> #rating leluka
17:27 <armabot> flex: leluka is 665th with a rating of 1513-1579 (from 1515-1577)
17:27 <flex> #rating flex
17:27 <armabot> flex: flex is 820th with a rating of 1496-1542 (from 1510-1553)
17:28 <flex> #rating murder_murder
17:29 <armabot> flex: I don't know anything about 'murder_murder'!
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17:52 <guru3> hurrah we've got the ability to get donations again
17:54 <guru3> what really bites
17:54 <guru3> is that i can't donate to the project
17:54 <guru3> because it'll just end up where it started
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18:11 <luke-jr> guru3: eh?
18:13 <guru3> nm -_-
18:14 <vinavil> flex, don't you get my pm?
18:14 <epsy> vinavil, i need the config for sumo
18:14 -!- liberweesco is now known as libervisco
18:15 <vinavil> epsy: the map is ready, how will the config work? will it change from previous or from basic settings?
18:15 <epsy> from previous
18:16 <epsy> put it in ~rain/testserver/config/
18:16 <epsy> i think i made a file for it
18:16 <epsy> can't remrmber its name
18:16 <epsy> let me chack
18:16 <vinavil> put what?
18:16 <epsy> sumo config
18:16 <vinavil> ah
18:16 <epsy> *acutaltestserver
18:17 <epsy> settings_custom_sumo.cfg
18:17 <flex> epsy what's that website to share code on..
18:17 <flex> can't remember the link
18:17 <luke-jr> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/485967082.html
18:17 <epsy> pastebin.ca ?
18:17 <flex> aye
18:17 <flex> ty
18:17 <epsy> :)
18:18 <vinavil> no no, that is so slow, use email please
18:18 <flex> it's quick
18:18 <vinavil> it is not here
18:18 <epsy> pastebin.com ?
18:18 <vinavil> (hihi, flex is afraid to give his email)
18:19 <madmax> there's a pastebin link in the topic too :-P
18:19 <flex> http://pastebin.com/f1fc1540 there
18:20 <flex> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2696/screenshot15xx1.png
18:20 <flex> tell me what you think :)
18:21 <epsy> hah i don't like this font :P
18:21 <flex> well it's my font so it's not like you'll have the same font :p
18:22 <epsy> btw flex, you wanted to fix your problem with zones being too bright ?
18:22 <flex> urm, was it that command?
18:22 <flex> that never worked
18:22 <epsy> not a setting
18:22 <flex> well it did, but it gave me grinding "showers" lol
18:22 <epsy> you need to edit src
18:23 <epsy> wait
18:23 <epsy> alpha_blend is either 1 or 0
18:23 <epsy> lol
18:23 <flex> can you just give me the finished peice :p
18:23 <epsy> er...what os are you running?
18:23 <flex> xp
18:24 <epsy> i have NO clue how to complie anything for/with that
18:24 <vinavil> ohh, you have still version 1
18:24 <flex> that's the only version you have on the cockpit list rain
18:24 <flex> you should update :p
18:24 <vinavil> omg, really? :D
18:25 <flex> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Cockpits_list#Essential
18:25 <vinavil> wtf, i'll not add the fastest
18:25 <vinavil> huh
18:27 <vinavil> you got some nice ideas flex, but i must find a way to make it as claner as possible
18:27 <vinavil> i'll add you in the credits when i upload
18:28 <flex> ah yeah sure, and thanks :p
18:28 <flex> I thought about positions but I couldn't figure out the neatest way
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18:29 <flex> I don't think there's any way you can add fastest, speed and brake without making it look abit too packed
18:29 <vinavil> indeed i'm not going to add fastest :D
18:30 <flex> speed freaks need fastest :p
18:30 <vinavil> haha
18:30 <guru3> i never did figure out the point of fastest
18:30 <vinavil> that is out of essential stuff :D
18:30 <guru3> speed, brake, rubber
18:30 <guru3> is all that's necessary
18:31 <flex> in fortress, when the team split, the fastest is the most likely to cut off the other team
18:31 <flex> so it's kind of a guidence to your speed, ie; if you're not fastest that's probably your issue to resolve :p
18:31 <flex> but that only is an issue for position 2 and 3
18:32 <guru3> -_-
18:32 <vinavil> i do not brake, so i'll do toggle brake meter :)
18:32 <flex> lol :p
18:32 <guru3> you can toggle the meters?
18:32 <flex> you don't really need speed then either :p
18:32 <flex> with hotkeys, yes
18:32  * guru3 had no idea
18:32 <flex> I think?
18:33 <vinavil> i think so, cannot you?
18:33  * guru3 doesn't know
18:33 <flex> I never tried so dunno either
18:33 <guru3> i'm not really up to date with the cockpit stuff
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18:43 <madmax> isn't it slower having to look at the numbers than visually see who's fastest?
18:43 <guru3> that's... a good point
18:43 <guru3> i always just thought of it as a sort of thing that was just there ore the hell of it
18:45 <epsy> #tea
18:45 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): -=Fabi||, AshitakA, ChrisGW, cttK-Yo, CTT_rugkei, hoop, Klaus, metaz, O--->, RenWp, RoflRich.Com
18:56 <flex> lol, well it's more of the case I look after, dunno if that makes quite sense lol
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18:59 <luke-jr> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/533096562.html
19:02 <Stewie-AFK> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/540076210.html
19:02 <Stewie-AFK> lol
19:02 <GodTodd> looking for a date, luke-jr? :)
19:03 <GodTodd> the vagina couch should come with a penis body pillow
19:05 <Stewie-AFK> it should...
19:06 <GodTodd> #quote get 68
19:06 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #68: "[12:54] <luke-jr> …. ok, you win" (added by GodTodd at 07:55 PM, January 17, 2008)
19:07 <MrBougo> #quote get 42
19:07 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #42: "The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave. - Ronald Reagen, in his address following the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:03 PM, January 02, 2007)
19:09 <Stewie-AFK> here's a girl for Luke: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/w4m/546207737.html
19:12 <GodTodd> isn't heterosexuality against the natural order of things?
19:12 <GodTodd> :D
19:13 <Stewie-AFK> lol
19:13 <luke-jr> you two like making fools of yourselves, eh?
19:14 <GodTodd> we just don't want you to feel alone, luke-jr
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19:16 <GodTodd> !weather 75023
19:16 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
19:16 <Stewie-AFK> #weather 92037
19:16 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 37.8°F (12:20 PM CST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Falling).
19:16 <armabot> Stewie-AFK: The current temperature in La Jolla Shores, La Jolla, California is 55.9°F (10:20 AM PST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising).
19:17 <GodTodd> #weather 68104
19:17 <guru3> #weather 27510
19:17 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Omaha, Nebraska is 19.4°F (11:52 AM CST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
19:17 <armabot> guru3: The current temperature in Chapel Hill, North Carolina is 30.2°F (12:56 PM EST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: -2.2°F. Pressure: 30.79 in 1042 hPa (Falling).
19:17 <GodTodd> man am i glad i moved
19:18 <GodTodd> luke-jr moving to the same town after i moved was just a bonus :)
19:18 <guru3> wow that's cold for there -_-
19:18 <GodTodd> #weather 85205
19:18 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Val Vista & University, Mesa, Arizona is 55.0°F (10:59 AM MST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady).
19:18 <GodTodd> chilly in mesa too
19:18 <Stewie-AFK> rofl, luke lives in Omaha?
19:18 <GodTodd> yep
19:18 <GodTodd> roundabout millard i gather
19:18 <Stewie-AFK> well I'm never going there...
19:19 <luke-jr> actually, Millard is quite a ways away
19:19 <GodTodd> you the other side? the east side then?
19:19 <GodTodd> i used to live in benson
19:20 <luke-jr> Ralston
19:20 <GodTodd> ah
19:20 <GodTodd> not far from benson
19:20 <GodTodd> i was around 48th and maple
19:20 <deja_vu> !weather karlsruhe
19:20 <deja_vu> #weather karlsruhe
19:20 <GodTodd> great place for jobs if you're in insurance or callcenters
19:21 <armabot> deja_vu: Temperature: 47.5°F / 8.6°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM CET; Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Rain. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.;
19:21 <luke-jr> GodTodd: 3 miles from church
19:21 <GodTodd> i wasn't into that crap anymore so moved :)
19:21 <deja_vu> feels colder -.-
19:21 <GodTodd> i wasn't far from that one big church...st. cecilia's i think it was
19:21 <luke-jr> I mean the Catholic church
19:21 <guru3> i wish weather did international weather
19:22 <Stewie-AFK> luke I thought Catholics weren't Christian?
19:22 <GodTodd> figures omaha would have the weird off the wall sects :)
19:22 <luke-jr> only Catholics are Christian
19:22 <Stewie-AFK> hmmm
19:22 <luke-jr> http://tinyurl.com/2uflb4
19:22 <Stewie-AFK> that's not what you used to say.
19:22 <luke-jr> it sure is
19:23 <Stewie-AFK> noob7_away, I remember you saying Catholics weren't Christian...
19:23 <Stewie-AFK> what?
19:23 <Stewie-AFK> I did not say that
19:23 <GodTodd> Stewie-AFK, as much as i hate to agree with luke-jr, he said that the catholic church isn't christian
19:23 <Stewie-AFK> awww
19:23 <Stewie-AFK> sorry
19:24 <GodTodd> 77th and military....that's near creighton prep, ain't it?
19:24 <luke-jr> no clue
19:24 <madmax> guru3: international weather? o_O
19:24 <madmax> #weather lppt
19:24 <armabot> madmax: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 62.6°F (6:00 PM WET on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
19:24 <luke-jr> near a Conciliarist highschool
19:24 <Stewie-AFK> oh that's why it said noob7, I typed no then tab -.- sorry, was aiming for shift...
19:24 <GodTodd> all boys?
19:25 <luke-jr> all girls
19:25 <GodTodd> hmmm
19:25 <guru3> oh my
19:25 <guru3> never did that for me
19:25 <guru3> #weather sheffield, england
19:26 <luke-jr> #weather guru3's town
19:26 <armabot> guru3: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:26 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:26 <luke-jr> doesn't work for me either
19:26 <GodTodd> that might be marian high
19:26 <luke-jr> GodTodd: indeed
19:26 <GodTodd> that's the only all girls school i knew of :)
19:26 <madmax> #weather sheffield
19:26 <armabot> madmax: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:26 <luke-jr> #weather england
19:26 <luke-jr> I win
19:26 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:26 <madmax> erm, have an airport code nearby? :-P
19:26 <luke-jr> O.o
19:26 <luke-jr> or not
19:27 <madmax> you won a 500 like everyone else
19:27 <luke-jr> 500 servers! :D
19:27 <guru3> #weather szd
19:27 <madmax> #cnn lisbon
19:27 <armabot> guru3: The current temperature in Sheffield, United Kingdom is 44.2°F (6:31 PM GMT on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 37.4°F. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Steady).
19:27 <armabot> madmax: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:27 <Stewie-AFK> I wish I won 500 -.-
19:27 <guru3> well that's a pain
19:27 <guru3> who would have guessed szd
19:27 <guru3> #help weather
19:27 <armabot> guru3: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
19:27 <guru3> i want it in celcius
19:28 <luke-jr> pfft
19:28 <luke-jr> I want it in hexadecimal
19:28 <luke-jr> :D
19:28 <guru3> :D
19:28 <GodTodd> #g 44.2 f in c
19:28 <Stewie-AFK> uhm... if it's in the UK... why is it in F
19:28 <armabot> GodTodd: 44.2 degrees Fahrenheit = 6.77777778 degrees Celsius
19:28 <Stewie-AFK> lol
19:28 <luke-jr> #g 44.2 F in hex
19:28 <armabot> luke-jr: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:28 <luke-jr> figures
19:28 <guru3> #g 44.2 decimal in hexidecimal
19:28 <luke-jr> #g 100 C in K
19:28 <armabot> guru3: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:28 <armabot> luke-jr: 100 degrees Celsius = 373.15 kelvin
19:29 <luke-jr> #g 0 K in C
19:29 <armabot> luke-jr: 0 kelvin = -273.15 degrees Celsius
19:29 <guru3> luke-jr: it's 2C.33333
19:29 <guru3> aparently
19:29 <guru3> now dinner, bbl
19:29 <luke-jr> no
19:29 <Stewie-AFK> #g -40 c in f
19:29 <armabot> Stewie-AFK: (-40) degrees Celsius = -40 degrees Fahrenheit
19:29 <Stewie-AFK> yay
19:29 <Stewie-AFK> lol
19:29 <luke-jr> 4b deg hex
19:29 <luke-jr> I think
19:30 <Stewie-AFK> #g -40 c in k
19:30 <luke-jr> no, c0
19:30 <armabot> Stewie-AFK: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
19:30 <Stewie-AFK> lol
19:30 <madmax> #g 1337 in hex
19:30 <armabot> madmax: 1,337 = 0x539
19:30 <luke-jr> hex degress are 0 = 0 K and 0xFF = 100 C ☺
19:31 <luke-jr> or was it 0x100…
19:31 <GodTodd> and that's useful how?
19:31 <luke-jr> why does it have to be useful?
19:31 <luke-jr> >:O
19:31 <GodTodd> isn't that the point of knowledge? to be able to apply it to tasks?
19:31 <luke-jr> no
19:32 <luke-jr> knowledge is an end in itself
19:32 <GodTodd> oh, yeah....you're catholic....the more useless the knowledge the better :D
19:34 <flex> d0n't be hatin
19:34 <luke-jr> #rating GodTodd
19:34 <GodTodd> bah...it's the special relationship luke-jr and i have :D
19:34 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'godtodd'!
19:34 <luke-jr> He knows thee not@
19:34 <luke-jr> !
19:35 <GodTodd> luke-jr, that might work better if the game ran for me...cuz then i might play
19:35 <GodTodd> heh
19:35 <luke-jr> excuses excuses
19:35 <luke-jr> what problem exactly are you having?
19:35 <GodTodd> you can't tell where the floor and walls are
19:35 <GodTodd> and they overdraw the cycle
19:36 <GodTodd> so you can't see where you are after a few seconds
19:36 <luke-jr> wtf?
19:36 <GodTodd> yep
19:36 <luke-jr> DRI is enabled?
19:36 <GodTodd> dunno
19:36 <GodTodd> i installed from source a while back
19:37 <GodTodd> it's 0.2.8.2 if that matters
19:51 <GodTodd> you mean direct rendering, or what?
20:01 <GodTodd> wow... X.Org version: 1.3.0
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20:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7573 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/armagetronad/src/tools/tToDo.cpp: Fixed deadlock.
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20:35 <GodTodd> blah there we go
20:36 <GodTodd> fixed
20:36 <GodTodd> heh
20:38 <GodTodd> i forgot i wasn't using the restricted drivers on this machine for this pos ati card
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7574 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8-auth/armagetronad/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Refactoring, clientside support for good md5 format (not yet final), better error messages for the user.
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20:50 <away|AoS|> Give the chan a break hug an ircd instead
20:51 -!- away|AoS| is now known as beta|AoS|
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20:53 <madmax> #lastseen pavelo
20:53 <madmax> #lastseen zop
20:54 <armabot> madmax: timed out
20:54 <flex> lol
20:54 <armabot> madmax: timed out
20:54 <epsy> heh
21:02 <flex> Anyone here have an newzbin account? :)
21:05 <guru3> I think that's a "no".
21:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, need an admin to someone who gets thru kick polls
21:08 <flex> what's wrtlprnft gona do? :p
21:09 <epsy>  /admin kick ?
21:09 <madmax> where? who?
21:14 <epsy> P4,
21:15 <vinavil> if i set the same toggle key for two functions of the cockpit and set one on at start and another off, will the hotkey switch between them?
21:16 <P4> epsy,
21:16 <beta|AoS|> I don't think you can map the same key for two functions.
21:17 <epsy> you can map a key to two keys
21:17 <epsy> P4, come in café
21:17 <P4> #tea
21:17 <armabot> P4: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): AshitakA, cttK-Yo, CTxGonzap, hoop, IL, zlayer, [SUI] Plafbi, |x| Sticky, ¦×¦ Legit, ¦×¦epsy
21:17 <P4> i cannot now
21:18 <P4> note if you want clanwar you should announce it on our forums, not just pick random Xers/Cters
21:18 <epsy> P4, just spec whatever
21:18 <epsy> we need an admin
21:18 <P4> ah, ok but quick plz
21:24 <K-Yo> #aka plastik
21:24 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿3312 plastik
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21:30 <Goodygumdrops> x quit signing on and off!
21:30 <xfroggy> pff
21:30 <Hoax-> still here goodz? xD
21:30 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, I am
21:30 <Goodygumdrops> :-\
21:31 <xfroggy> #kill GodTodd
21:31 <xfroggy> oops
21:31 <armabot> GodTodd will die on Mon Jan 21 21:35:12 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by xfroggy
21:31 <Hoax-> lmfao
21:31 <xfroggy> #kill Goodygumdrops
21:31 <armabot> Goodygumdrops will die on Mon Jan 21 21:35:17 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by xfroggy
21:31 <Hoax-> #make goody eat his own words
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> never gonna happen
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> lol
21:31 <Hoax-> ah...its already done.
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> what do you mean?
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> I've never been wrong
21:31 <xfroggy> lmao
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> 0.o
21:31 <Hoax-> 'irc is for geeks'
21:31 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, so?
21:32  * xfroggy googles in Hoax- 
21:32 <Hoax-> o.O
21:34 <xfroggy> #slap Hoax-
21:34 <armabot> xfroggy slaps Hoax- for being a raving moron.
21:35 <Hoax-> no comment atm tbh
21:36 <Goodygumdrops> bad news, hoax
21:36 <Goodygumdrops> I have a job interview tomorrow
21:38 <Hoax-> haha xfroggy when was the last time you checked java
21:38 <Hoax-> thats great news Goodygumdrops, gl
21:38 <epsy> xfroggy, ffs
21:38 <epsy> d3? :P
21:38 <Goodygumdrops> no way...what if I get the job?
21:39 <Hoax-> better quality service for big mac eaters?
21:39 <Goodygumdrops> I'll have to do STUFF
21:39 <epsy> stuff ? huh
21:40 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, exactly
21:40 <Goodygumdrops> it's gonna be terrible
21:40 <xfroggy> epsy, I'm leaving in 5 min LOL
21:41 <xfroggy> epsy, you always asking me when I'm about to leave haha xD
21:41 <epsy> ...
21:42 <Hoax-> epsy you should hook up with sunny
21:44 <epsy> no
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21:45 <Hoax-> lol!
21:51 <vinavil> epsy: is it fts ready?
21:53 <armabot> fts_feedback: kamichu -
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21:54 <epsy> what?
22:00 <vinavil> the sumo part?
22:00 <vinavil> the map is in the repository
22:00 <Goodygumdrops> sumoooooooo
22:00 <epsy> i am still waiting for the sumo config
22:00 <vinavil> the settings can be the same for now
22:00 <epsy> ok
22:00 <vinavil> i'll change tomorrow
22:00 <epsy> what's the resource name?
22:01 <flex> what about the cockpit rain? changed it yet? :)
22:01 <vinavil> no, sorry, had to register a song
22:01 <flex> alright
22:02 <epsy> should understand it's intended to be 6-axed ?
22:02 <epsy> *shoult i
22:02 <epsy> oh whatever
22:02 <vinavil> ????
22:02 <vinavil> 6 axed?
22:02 <epsy> should i understand it your map is intended to run with 6 axes ?
22:02 <epsy> *-it
22:03 <vinavil> omg, why?
22:03 <epsy> idk, the spawns are put as if
22:03 <epsy> http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/rain/fortress/sumo-0.1.aamap.xml
22:04 <vinavil> well, it will take at least 5 minutes to upload the page, i'll look at local file
22:06 <vinavil> shit, you are right
22:10 <vinavil> ok, i fixed it. it will take around 15 minutes to upload to repository. i'll tell you when it is there
22:11 <epsy> so it's not on 6 axes ?
22:11 <vinavil> damn, no :D
22:12 <epsy> :(
22:14 <vinavil> lol, it doesn't even load the page f the tool
22:14 <vinavil> of*
22:14 <ghableska> #weather 50266
22:14 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 19.2°F (3:16 PM CST on January 21, 2008). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.2°F. Windchill: 12.2°F. Pressure: 29.13 in 986.3 hPa (Falling).
22:15 <epsy> vinavil, all rejoin
22:15 <ghableska> #tea
22:15 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): AshitakA, Endless, flex, hoop, ¦×¦ earplugs, ¦×¦ FoFo, ¦×¦ Hoax, ¦×¦ Legit
22:16 <vinavil> omg epsy
22:17 <epsy> vinavil, got lagged out
22:18 <vinavil> it crashes
22:18 <vinavil> oh, maybe there is another bug
22:19 <epsy> im still in
22:19 <epsy> maybe you can't download the map?
22:20 <vinavil> maybe
22:20 <vinavil> anyway, the spawining degrees system, is it clock wise?
22:21 <epsy> could you connect again?
22:22 <vinavil> and where does 0° start? right, left, up or down?
22:24 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/fortress/sumo-0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by rain
22:29 <epsy> what happened
22:29 <epsy> #ping
22:29 <epsy> duh
22:29 <armabot> pong
22:30 <flex> when I open Armagetron, my TV stops working :p
22:31 <flex> signal lose
22:31 <flex> wtf is that about..
22:31 <vinavil> lol
22:35 <vinavil> neither my first modem was so slow
22:36 <vinavil> i wonder what it is thinking about
22:38 <vinavil> nooo, that is not 6 axes
22:38 <Lucifer_bed> my first modem was 1200bps
22:38 <Lucifer_bed> no wait, we had a 300bps when I was a kid
22:38 <GodTodd> you didn't have one of the 300s?
22:38 <GodTodd> haha
22:38  * GodTodd was gonna say ;)
22:39 <Lucifer_bed> we bought the 1200 when the BBSes stopped letting in 300
22:39 <Lucifer_bed> heh, my wife is freaking out
22:39 <Lucifer_bed> overloaded with school + work
22:40 <vinavil> luke-jr's too, and he still use it for arma repository. he is for environment.
22:40 <Lucifer_bed> now that the shoe's on the other foot, I'm quite enjoying this
22:42 <Lucifer_bed> what's the mass of an electron?
22:42 <GodTodd> when i was 18-19...school + work was too much for me ;)
22:43 <GodTodd> 9.11E-31?
22:43 <GodTodd> kg that is
22:45 <Lucifer_bed> I need to compare the upward force on an electron near the earth's surface due to the electric field to the downward force due to gravity
22:46 <Lucifer_bed> ok, that was right, thanks :)
22:47 <GodTodd> np
22:47 <Lucifer_bed> grrr
22:47 <Lucifer_bed> (b) What magnitude charge should be placed on a penny of mass 2 g so that the electric force balances the weight of the penny near the earth's surface?
22:47 <Lucifer_bed> given that the electric field is 270 N/C near the earth's surface
22:47 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/fortress/sumo-0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by rain
22:48 <vinavil> alleluja!
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22:49 <Lucifer_bed> hi z-man (hi there!)
22:49 <z-man> evening
22:49 <Lucifer_bed> this might be a dumb question, but 2 g = .02kg, right?
22:49 <GodTodd> .002
22:49 <z-man> 0.002 kg
22:50 <Lucifer_bed> heh, thanks :)
22:50 <GodTodd> i fall into that trap when we have labs that i have to convert g->kg as well as cm->m
22:50 <GodTodd> i end up trying to move the decimal the same for both :/
22:51 <Lucifer_bed> well, that didn't fix my answer
22:51 <Lucifer_bed> to find the electric force exerted on an object, I just multiply the field * the charge, right?
22:52 <z-man> Yes.
22:52 <Lucifer_bed> er, where did I change 170 to 270?  ;(
22:53  * Lucifer_bed considers again if it would be worth getting tested for dyslexia
22:53 <Lucifer_bed> that fixed it, thanks
22:56 <GodTodd> would dyslexia change 170 to 270? or more likely to change it to 710?
22:58 <Lucifer_bed> I don't know, I don't know enough about it really.  But I was thinking 2g when I was writing the electric field, if that tells you where the 2 came in
23:01 <Lucifer_bed> k in coulomb's law is 8.99E9, right?
23:04 <GodTodd> heh
23:05 <GodTodd> yeah
23:05 <GodTodd> give or take ;)
23:05  * Lucifer_bed looks it up
23:05 <GodTodd> i have 8.988
23:05 <Lucifer_bed> ah
23:05 <GodTodd> so yeah 8.99 is close
23:06 <Lucifer_bed> we're only doing 3 sig figs
23:07 <Lucifer_bed> grrr, I came out with the wrong answer :(
23:07 <Lucifer_bed> oo, I forgot the sign of the charge, that's why
23:07 <GodTodd> hrmm...should i clean the crock pot or do curve fitting?
23:08 <Lucifer_bed> curve fitting
23:08 <Lucifer_bed> crock pot cleans itself
23:08 <GodTodd> nah...it has to be wiped out by someone
23:08 <Lucifer_bed> well, that's not true in my house
23:08 <Lucifer_bed> if I leave something sitting there, it doesn't clean itself, and it doesn't get cleaned when I'm not looking at it
23:08 <GodTodd> same here
23:09 <GodTodd> it works for everyone but me
23:09 <GodTodd> like the self-cooking dinners they've come up with
23:09 <Lucifer_bed> yay, one more problem and then my physics homework is done
23:10 <GodTodd> i have 9 days til mine is due
23:10 <GodTodd> i have linear algebra and tech writing and a prelab due before those are due
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23:11 <Lucifer_bed> I lied, I still have one more
23:11 <Lucifer_bed> this is the one I struggled with most of the day yesterday
23:11 <Lucifer_bed> z-man: you still here?
23:12 <Lucifer_bed> my physics is due tomorrow
23:12 <Lucifer_bed> er, I just realized they want a point on the positive x axis
23:12 <z-man> Yeah, still around
23:13 <Lucifer_bed> got a minute for homework help?  ;)
23:13 <z-man> yeah
23:13 <Lucifer_bed> Point charges of -9 µC, 5.0 µC, and +9 µC are located along the x axis at x = -1.0 cm, x = 0, and x = +1.0 cm, respectively. Locate a point on the positive x axis where the magnitude of the electric field is zero.
23:13 <K-Yo> haha
23:14 <Lucifer_bed> I don't see where that can happen, the two positive charges will always dominate the one negative charge on the positive x axis
23:15 <z-man> The electic field is proportional to q/|x-x_0|^2
23:15 <z-man> where x is your current position, q the charge, and x_0 the charge position.
23:15 <z-man> hmm
23:17 <z-man> your point needs to be somewhere between x=0 and x=1
23:17  * madmax recomends Serway's books
23:17 <z-man> there the force from the big positive charge is pushing into the opposite direction.
23:17 <Lucifer_bed> ahhh, right
23:18 <Lucifer_bed> so I say the negative charge + the left-hand positive charge = the right-hand positive charge
23:18 <z-man> yeah
23:18 <Lucifer_bed> (or rather, the sums of the charges = 0 should do it)
23:18 <z-man> charge == force from the charge?
23:18 <Lucifer_bed> no, electric field
23:19 <z-man> same :)
23:19 <z-man> So you need so solve q_1/|x-x_1| + q_2/|x-x_2| - q_3/|x-x_3| = 0
23:20 <z-man> The extra minus at the end because q3 gives a field into the opposite direction
23:20 <z-man> oh, and all | | need to be squared :)
23:20 <z-man> So you need so solve q_1/|x-x_1|^2 + q_2/|x-x_2|^2 - q_3/|x-x_3|^2 = 0
23:21 <Lucifer_bed> hmm, q_1 is minus also and gives a field in the opposite direction
23:21 <z-man> q_1 = -9 uC, q_2 = .5 uC, q_3 = 9 uC
23:21 <Lucifer_bed> ah, I see, that works still :)
23:21 <z-man> yeah, but if you move very close to q2, that field gets very large.
23:22 <z-man> You need the exact solution or just an approximation?
23:23 <Lucifer_bed> approximation
23:23 <Lucifer_bed> it's a 4th degree polynomial :/
23:23 <z-man> Yes :)
23:24 <z-man> I suppose you know how to proceed? Newton?
23:24 <Lucifer_bed> that's a more sensible function
23:24 <Lucifer_bed> The one I was coming up with didn't hit the x axis anywhere :)
23:25 <Lucifer_bed> umm, this is the part where I plug it into the graphing calculator and ask it where the x intercepts are
23:25 <z-man> If that's allowed, yes.
23:25 <Lucifer_bed> I will have this calculator on tests, so it should be fine
23:25 <Lucifer_bed> I'll ask tomorrow to be sure, if not I'll need to brush up on newton's :)
23:26 <z-man> A problem you have with equations of this type is that you have to solve them piece by piece; if your numeric solver in this case would give an answer outside of the [0...1] interval, it would be invalid.
23:28 <Lucifer_bed> that got the right answer, thanks!  I worried this problem for several hours yesterday with apparently the wrong equation, heh.
23:29 <Lucifer_bed> the numeric solver on my calculator requires I pick the bounds, which is good.  To get it to not freak out at the asymptote at the origin I had to zoom in real far, but that's fine
23:29 <z-man> Yeah, those can be tricky to remember.
23:30 <Lucifer_bed> it's a physics class, I'm sure the guy doesn't care about testing our algebra, but I'll make sure to ask if he cares if we use graphical methods to solve equations
23:30 <Lucifer_bed> I had the right formula yesterday, I just wasn't setting it up right.  It was easier in statics when you didn't have so many sign issues :)
23:31 <epsy> vinavil,
23:31 <vinavil> epsy,
23:31 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/fortress/sumo-0.4.aamap.xml: Resource by rain
23:31 <epsy> once you made your map
23:31 <Lucifer_bed> I got 16 out of 19 right on this one, which isn't bad considering how many times I tried to guess the order of magnitude on a wrong answer, heh
23:31 <epsy> edit cfg file
23:32 <epsy> you know where it is right ?
23:32 <Lucifer_bed> better not do that next time
23:32 <vinavil> it just finished to upload
23:32 <vinavil> where is it?
23:32 <epsy> /home/rain/actualtestserver/config/settings_custom_sumo.cfg
23:32 <vinavil> ok
23:32 <epsy> i also moved fort cfg file
23:32 <epsy> /home/rain/actualtestserver/config/settings_custom_fort.cfg
23:33 <vinavil> ah
23:33 <vinavil> so, does it load sumo first?
23:33 <epsy> yes
23:33 <epsy> well no
23:33 <vinavil> mmm
23:33 <epsy> at start it loads fort then sumo
23:33 <epsy> so it gets physics etc
23:34 <vinavil> how do i make it load sumo first?
23:34 <epsy> why?
23:34 <vinavil> because it is the first map the first player will play
23:34 <vinavil> so no reason to load first fort and then sumo
23:34 <epsy> when the server starts
23:34 <epsy> it loads fort config
23:35 <epsy> which contains physics etc
23:35 <epsy> then it loads sumo cfg
23:35 <vinavil> i understood, but i can set physics in sumo config
23:35 <epsy> ok do it then
23:36 <epsy> then edit settings_dedicated.cfg to only include sumo settings
23:36 <vinavil> ok
23:37 <vinavil> the map is up, i just have to change link in sumo config, right?
23:37 <epsy> yes
23:37 <vinavil> are you going to sleep?
23:37 <epsy> ok cya now, im sick
23:37 <epsy> yes
23:37 <vinavil> huh, ok. kiss
23:37 <epsy> :*
23:38 <vinavil> for screen is control+?
23:38 <epsy> a ?
23:39 <vinavil> mmm
23:39 <epsy> ?
23:39 <vinavil> ok, got it
23:39 <epsy> cya then
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23:45 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:50 <flex> [22:42] <vinavil> huh, ok. kiss
23:50 <flex> [22:42] <epsy> :*
23:50 <flex> Lal
23:50 <vinavil> want one you too? kiss :)
23:51 <flex> lol, no :p
23:51 <flex> but i'll have a hug :p
23:52 <Hoax-> u know epsy is gay right?
23:52 <Hoax-> flex is just whore
23:52 <flex> epsy is gay?
23:53 <Hoax-> sure
23:56 <spidey> #last --with spidey --nolimit
23:56  * spidey yawns
23:56 <armabot> spidey: [14:43:10] <luke-jr> spidey is bragging about how he's legally insane, [14:12:47] <luke-jr> turn the heat on spidey, [14:10:03] <luke-jr> spidey: nut, [12:35:56] <luke-jr> spidey: __FILE__, [18:36:58] <luke-jr> spidey: I am, [18:29:39] <luke-jr> spidey: shurg, [18:15:48] <luke-jr> spidey: gonna take your civ back from teh AI?, [17:58:57] <luke-jr> spidey: gfy, [17:48:59] <luke-jr> spidey: no (6 more messages)
23:57 <flex> #roulette
23:57 <armabot> flex: *click*
23:57 <flex> #roulette
23:57 <armabot> flex: *click*
23:57 <flex> #roulette
23:57 <armabot> *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
23:57  * armabot reloads and spins the chambers.
23:57 -!- flex [i=flex@host81-157-166-92.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["bye"]

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