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Log from 2008-03-20:
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00:10 <flex> thanks anyway z-man. :)
00:11 <z-man> np,  we can use all the bug reporting we can get, even if its just glitches and suspicions.
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00:35 <spidey_> #ping
00:35 <armabot> pong
00:35 <spidey_> yea
00:35 <spidey_> i think i finished borking my router xD
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00:40 <spidey> wow
00:40 <spidey> i got a 404, File not found, with a pink background
00:40 <spidey> on my router's url
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8364 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (39 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8286 to 8363:
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8363 | z-man | 2008-03-19 21:31:09 +0100 (Wed, 19 Mar 2008) | 2 lines
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  Undid test commits.
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
00:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  r8362 | bazaarmagetron | 2008-03-19 21:24:54 +0100 (Wed, 19 Mar 2008) | 45 lines
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01:23 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8365 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/Makefile.am: Server compiles again.
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06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8366 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added paste support for Mac OS X. I'd modify scrap but it's too much of a mess.
06:43 <armabot> armagetronad: * Added tColor.cpp here too.
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07:19 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8367 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ui/uMenu.cpp: Better handling of return value for paste on Mac OS X
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11:32 <z-man-work> wth are Frogzards?
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12:05 <wrtlprnft_> frogzards?
12:06 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
12:06 <z-man> There are these flash ads for some "free mmorpg"
12:06 <z-man> with dragons
12:06 <z-man> and undead
12:06 <z-man> and frogzards!!!!!
12:07 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogzard
12:07 <wrtlprnft> note that the article doesn't even contain the word frogzard
12:07 <z-man> Yep, that's the game.
12:10 <z-man> They seem to think everyone knows what Frogzards are, and why they deserve more exclamation marks than dragons and undead combined.
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12:12 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g epsy@x
12:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 14 hours 39 minutes ago.
12:51 <z-man> They seem to think everyone knows what Frogzards are, and why they deserve more exclamation marks than dragons and undead combined.
12:51 <z-man> sorry, wrong window :)
12:53 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen -g epsy@x
12:53 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café 15 hours 19 minutes ago.
12:53 <wrtlprnft> SCNR :)
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14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750947 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] Poll "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you." submitted by wrtlprnft |mbc|.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750948 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] New poll: "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you.". Enter the main menu vote on it.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> 1750949 [5 IP=77.47.5.89:48055] Poll "Command say test. please approve this vote, it won't hurt you." has been rejected.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is that supposed to happen?
14:30 <wrtlprnft> by the way, the second line doesn't exactly look gramatically correct to me.
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14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8368 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/tron/gTeam.cpp): Manuel Moos: Added "spectate" item to team management menu, and spectator mode is only turned off after you join a team, not right when you enter the menu.
14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8369 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp src/tron/gTeam.cpp):
14:50 <armabot> armagetronad: Manuel Moos: Fixed team menu bugs: "Join any/create new" is now always there
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: when it makes sense, and team properties get updated on the client when players
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: switch teams, so there will be no more spurious "Join x" messages on non-team
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: servers.
14:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8370 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Just indentation.
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14:56 <z-man> wrtlprnft: depends on the vote bias settings.
14:56 <wrtlprnft> cvs_test settings.
14:56 <z-man> Yep, that has a positive vote bias, IIRC.
14:57 <z-man> Usually, you set min_voters to a high enough value (bias*2 + 1) to avoid it, but the new style votes miscount the number of votes right now.
14:58 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
14:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8372 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): wrtlprnft: Reverted a failed vim command (presumably) that "we" introduced in r7216 (concerning the addition of motion blur)
14:58 <wrtlprnft> bazaarmagetron surely takes its time
14:59 <z-man> Depends on how well launchpad's email notifications work.
15:00  * z-man ponders about adding a player named "inlcude bla.cfg" and transforming include votes to kick votes for that player
15:04 <z-man> Public methods should be deceptively named to foil would-be hackers.
15:04 <pippijn> ?
15:04 <pippijn> fool?
15:05  * z-man should probably have added quotation marks
15:05 <pippijn> foil?
15:05 <z-man> fool and then foil the plans of
15:05 <pippijn> ah
15:06 <wrtlprnft> do clients enforced the 15 char limit?
15:06 <pippijn> public methods as in public member functions?
15:06 <wrtlprnft> -d
15:06 <z-man> pippijn: dunno, quoted from http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Making-a-Difference.aspx
15:06 <z-man> But probably yes.
15:07 <pippijn> ah
15:07 <z-man> wrtlprnft: in the name menu item, yes.
15:07 <z-man> In the config system, no.
15:07 <pippijn> "business world"
15:07 <pippijn> right
15:07 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i wanted to ask if they were enforced if read from nMessages
15:07 <z-man> So yeah, you can get a longer name locally by meddling with the config system, but the server will ignore it.
15:08 <wrtlprnft> z-man: i know that much. don't think i didn't try it yet
15:08 <z-man> ah, no.
15:08 <Ttech> !botjoin
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15:08 <Ttech> ~mepokes
15:08  * Ttech runs
15:08  * The_Master pokes The_Master poke The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes The_Master pokes unzzi
15:08 <Ttech> lmao
15:08 <Ttech> wrtlprnft, my custom bot
15:08 <Ttech> ~part FAIL
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15:09 <wrtlprnft> how did it know about !botjoin?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> !botjoin
15:09 <wrtlprnft> or is that a client side thing?
15:09 <wrtlprnft> or did you just fake it
15:10 <pippijn> torres: << typeid (void (*)(int, ...)).name ()
15:10 <torres> PFvizE
15:10 <pippijn> torres: << typeid (void (*)(int)).name ()
15:10 <torres> PFviE
15:12  * wrtlprnft didn't even know those (...) function even exist in c++… I thought they were an extern "C" thing
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16:15 <wrtlprnft> wow, now we have a wiki article on how to use the help system
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16:30 <Stewie-arma> I need help, how do I get it?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> shift-esc
16:31 <flex> for cheat menu^
16:32 <flex> for help you'll want alt+f4
16:32 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/rt64.txt
16:32 <Stewie-arma> sweet
16:32 <Stewie-arma> alright so alt f4
16:32 <Stewie-arma> it didn't work
16:33 <Stewie-arma> I think I want the cheat menu
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Stewie-arma: it crashes once in a while
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Stewie-arma: keep trying.
16:33 <Stewie-arma> darn, that didn't work either
16:33 <flex> yes, keep trying
16:33 <wrtlprnft> so, err, do you have a real question
16:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry for spoiling the fun
16:33 <Stewie-arma> it's giving me a beeping noise
16:34 <flex> harness that beeping!
16:34 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: what IS rt64?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> your preprocessor?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> or torres?
16:34 <pippijn> no
16:34 <pippijn> that's torres
16:34 <wrtlprnft> or something else?
16:35 <pippijn> reload
16:35 <pippijn> it's with ls -h now
16:36 <wrtlprnft> --si > -h
16:37 <pippijn> reload
16:37 <wrtlprnft> :-P
16:37 <wrtlprnft> now, what do i do with it?
16:37 <pippijn> nothing
16:37 <pippijn> I just wanted to show you the chroot
16:38 <pippijn> that's all you need to compile C++ programs
16:38 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i was surprised at that
16:38 <pippijn> it even has a help system (currently broken)
16:38 <pippijn> actually if you use gcc 4.2, you need even less
16:38 <flex> that's the very last time I buy a creative sound card..
16:38 <flex> or anything to do with creative
16:38 <flex> those guys are cunts
16:38 <pippijn> gcc 4.3 depends on libgmp and libmpfr
16:39  * wrtlprnft guesses gcc 2.x is smaller
16:39 <pippijn> possibly
16:39 <wrtlprnft> if it can even do c++, i have no idea
16:39 <pippijn> but not necessarily
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8373 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eVoter.cpp):
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Manuel Moos: MIN_VOTERS now correctly applied to votes that not everyone can
16:39 <pippijn> 2.95 can
16:39 <pippijn> but not correctly
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: technically vote on. The messages are still a bit strange (first, it looks as if
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: the vote got accepted as a valid vote), but we'll have to live with that (or
16:39 <armabot> armagetronad: duplicate some code).
16:39 <pippijn> it has no correct support for placement new
16:40 <pippijn> placement new only works with default constructors
16:40 <pippijn> so if you wanted placement new with parameters, you needed to pass the parameters to operator new
16:40 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:40 <wrtlprnft> placement new as in A a; A::~A; new(a) A(<params>);?
16:41 <wrtlprnft> err
16:41 <wrtlprnft> a.~A()
16:41 <pippijn> placement new as in A *a = new (place) A (params);
16:42 <wrtlprnft> isn't that what i said, basically?
16:42  * wrtlprnft doesn't know the correct syntax for that by heart
16:42 <pippijn> uhm
16:42 <pippijn> yes, like that
16:42 <pippijn> usually, you don't use it for that, though
16:43 <wrtlprnft> i know :-P
16:44 <pippijn> torres: struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } }; { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; }
16:44 <torres> expected unqualified-id before '{' token
16:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a bad idea, yada yada. I never did that except for testing that it did in fact work
16:44 <pippijn> torres: -t struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } }; M { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; }
16:44 <torres> A*A*A*
16:45 <pippijn> torres: -t struct A { A () { cout << "A*"; } ~A () { cout << "A~"; } void operator delete (void*){} }; M { char mem[sizeof (A) * 3]; A *a = new (mem) A; A *b = new (mem + sizeof (A)) A; A *c = new (mem + 2 * sizeof (A)) A; delete a; delete b; delete c; }
16:45 <torres> A*A*A*A~A~A~
16:45 <pippijn> no heap used
16:45 <wrtlprnft> torres: {main();}
16:45 <torres> Subprocess /t died on signal 11 (Segmentation fault)
16:45 <wrtlprnft> hehe
16:45 <pippijn> torres: << main
16:45 <torres> ISO C++ forbids taking address of function '::main'
16:45 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: i know how it works
16:46 <wrtlprnft> torres: void f(){f();} int main(){f();}
16:46 <torres> Timeout: /t
16:46 <wrtlprnft> aww
16:46 <wrtlprnft> can't die from infinite recursion
16:46 <pippijn> due to tail recursion
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17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8374 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed mysterious console message reordering bug: Broadcast() was sending messages with a lower priority.
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17:16 <z-man> Lots of odd old bugs there :)
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17:23 <z-man> Ohh, here's a good one: the first and only the first console message longer than about 1500 characters is truncated.
17:23 <z-man> And those help messages get pretty long.
17:27 <wrtlprnft> z-man: 1500? where does that number come from?
17:28 <z-man> It's around the usual MTU.
17:28 <z-man> Packets larger than that have to be split and run a higher risk to get lost.
17:29 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
17:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_728.png
17:30 <wrtlprnft> the people on x sumo must suck a lot today
17:30 <wrtlprnft> or it's just that they all complained about lag while i didn't notice a thing
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8375 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetwork.cpp):
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: More economic sending of empty strings.
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Authentication will no longer fail mysteriously if 0.2.0 clients are present (don't ask :) ).
17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed playback hickups.
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17:59  * wrtlprnft resists the urge to ask
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18:03 <Rebel_Eclipsed> luke-jr_, you there?
18:03 <epsy> wrtlprnft, now you made me go look at logs and see your nice score, are you happy?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> don't trust me?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> note that i could have just edited them
18:06  * epsy was just wondering what that * wrtlprnft resists the urge to ask * line meant
18:06 <epsy> #ping
18:06 <armabot> pong
18:06 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8376 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetwork.cpp nNetwork.h): Splitting too long console messages into several packets instead of just truncating them. Sometimes.
18:06 <epsy> spam_maxlen 123456789 eh?
18:08 <z-man> The "don't ask" was merely referring to the prehistoric version that doesn't even compile any more.
18:08 <z-man> But we're still compatible with it!
18:09 <z-man> I think.
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18:29 <wrtlprnft> epsy: 17:41 <armabot> armagetronad: Authentication will no longer fail mysteriously if 0.2.0 clients are present (don't ask :) ).
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8377 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tConfiguration.cpp: Fixed recording/playback desyncing bug with CASACL, the changed access level could leak on playback.
18:33 <wrtlprnft> z-man: wouldn't the sa
18:34 <wrtlprnft> me happen to super-long message_of_days?
18:35 <z-man> Probably, yes. But I'm not in the mood to avoid IP fragmentation there.
18:36 <z-man> With console messages, we can fragment them manually and the client won't bother if they come in bits, it doesn't have to reassemble them.
18:36 <z-man> but a fullscreen message would have to be assembled before it can be displayed.
18:37 <wrtlprnft> true.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> that might be something for the network layer, anyways
18:38 <z-man> Yep.
18:38 <wrtlprnft> some sort of support for continued nMessages
18:39 <z-man> Or just enforcing a big input buffer. Apart from the higher packet loss, which isn't really that much of a problem, the only trouble is that if an UDP packet is bigger than the receiving computer's input buffer, it will get truncated.
18:45 <wrtlprnft> oh well, i guess we'll just have to live with it being impossible to pack more than 166 color codes (+1 letter per color) into one fullscreen message
18:52 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8378 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: If a player who is currently on a team creates a new team, there is now an immediate message about it.
18:53 <z-man> Tragic, yes. Think we should build in some subtle bug that crashes the server?
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19:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8379 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/ (ePlayer.cpp eTeam.cpp): Better new team creation message.
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19:44 <pippijn> torres: << ""
19:44 <torres> Compilation and execution successful, no program output.
19:54 <luke-jr_> z-man: wrtlprnft, you're assuming 1500 bytes is allowed
19:54 <luke-jr_> IIRC, dialup has a MTU closer to 512 bytes
20:26 <wrtlprnft> you can't play arma over dialup. period.
21:10 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i used to
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21:20 <ady|ATool> anyone knows where i can get the first 0.3 release? as the last one lags much for me
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21:24 <epsy> same place
21:33 <ady|ATool> same place?
21:33 <ady|ATool> well anyways no matter now, :)
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23:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: news to me
23:14 <luke-jr_> oh
23:14 <luke-jr_> *I* can't
23:14 <luke-jr_> right
23:14 <luke-jr_> but some people can
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