Log from 2008-07-29:
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00:13 <Flex> But liberty, to be loved on the surface is worthless
00:13 <Flex> The sacrafice of revolution with no purpose
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00:36 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
00:38 <Flex> you don't mean it.. so why you saying it..
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8508 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed ADMINS command, output formatting leaves a lot to be desired
01:01 <armabot> armagetronad: still.
01:02 <epsy> thanks :)
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02:12 <hoax> #armaservers
02:12 <armabot> hoax: This data is 45 seconds old; Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (12/14), Wild West =Capture The Flag= (9/10), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (9/12), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (8/12), Wild West =Sumo= (7/14), The Tavern (6/16), The YELLOW Submarine (6/16), internalDrive -=- iD Tech Camps (5/16), Wild West =CTF Shooting= (3/10), Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!) (2/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal (1 more message)
02:12 <hoax> #si sumo
02:12 <armabot> hoax: Wild West =Sumo=: Players (7/14): +, Illusion, koko, National Rail, pear, _-'Ww_Spook, ~>Tp.Rula<3
02:13 <epsy> btw hoax
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02:13 <epsy> #sd shooting
02:13 <armabot> epsy: Wild West =CTF Shooting=: Players (3/10): barnes&noble, borders, inVert
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02:13 <epsy> argh
02:13 <epsy> #sd kows
02:13 <armabot> epsy: thekowsklan shooting: Players (0/8):
02:13 <epsy> :D
02:13 <hoax> LOL!
02:13 <Liza> :D
02:13 <epsy> brought it back up
02:13 <hoax> who hosts
02:14 <Liza> wanna go there now? :P
02:14 <epsy> na
02:14 <hoax> node?
02:14 <epsy> its jump on my comp
02:14 <epsy> err
02:14 <epsy> its just
02:14 <hoax> oh heh
02:14 <epsy> dunno how i started it
02:14 <hoax> kk
02:14 <hoax> kk~*
02:14 <epsy> ah yeah it's with the fucked init.d script
02:14 <hoax> :D
02:14 <epsy> lol xD
02:15 <epsy> ive got no clue how is my cfg file business hold
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02:19 <hoax> (v) Boo!
02:19 <epsy> no it's
02:19 <epsy> (v) Booo!
02:19 <epsy> ROFLPWNT!!!!11111EONOEONEOENO
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02:20 <hoax> (v) I need a weapon!
02:20 <epsy> Zomfg!
02:21 <StickyNoob> oh god not this again
02:21 * Monkey_arma hands liza a good connection
02:21 <Liza> thanks^^
02:21 <epsy> lolsticky
02:22 <hoax> (v) Oops!
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02:22 <epsy> lol xd
02:22 <hoax> (v) Shut Up!
02:22 <epsy> your good connection sucks Monkey_arma
02:23 <hoax> StickyNoob you really should stop saying oh god :D
02:23 <epsy> (v) Go to quad!
02:23 <Monkey_arma> blasphemer!
02:23 <Monkey_arma> burn him
02:23 <Monkey_arma> if he floats hes not a witch or smt..idk
02:24 <epsy> lol
02:25 <hoax> Monkey_arma you should be tried for that filth you speak!
02:25 <StickyNoob> yeah my years of blasphemy may catch up with me one day
02:28 <Liza_>
02:30 <epsy>
02:30 <hoax>
02:33 <Stewah> !lastseen stewie
02:33 <epsy> nn
02:33 <Stewah> hmm
02:33 <epsy> #ls stewie
02:33 <armabot> epsy: Stewie seems to be on Wild West =Sumo= right now.
02:33 <Stewah> liar!
02:33 <Stewah> stupid armabot lying -.-
02:33 <epsy> gn
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04:20 <akira_arma> http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/trumpman/CoreAnalysisFinal.htm
04:21 <hoax> lol akira srsly
04:24 <akira_arma> that is an extensive scientific research
04:24 <akira_arma> no gfunny vids
04:24 <akira_arma> Flex made me dig up such stuff ;)
04:24 <hoax> at least save it for the other chan
04:24 <akira_arma> i dont care
04:24 <akira_arma> there are so many blind people wven here
04:25 <akira_arma> whats wrong with posting 1 link
04:25 <akira_arma> i mean everyone is free to ignore it
04:25 <akira_arma> but maybe 1 actually reads
04:25 <akira_arma> and amybe 1 actually starts thinking instead of believing
04:26 <ct|kyle> akira_arma: the media is the biggest scam ever
04:26 <hoax> haha ok
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04:45 <StickyNoob> i started reading it, may even finnish at some point. But dispite trying to format itself like a paper it fails by making statements like "The government has asserted that" and "In a 2004 presentation NIST asserts that" without providing any references to them
04:46 <Pathetique> Didn't it say that all references are going to be linked at the bottom?
04:47 <Pathetique> I mean, I agree with you, having links to the references on the page, like in Wikipedia, would have been much better.
04:47 <StickyNoob> so inorder to varify 1 statement i have to read all the lins since the statement could be backed up by any one of them?
04:47 <Pathetique> I dunno.
04:49 <Pathetique> I don't like how the paper often says, "Science says no way."
04:50 <Pathetique> And how it tries to make dialogue with the reader.
04:52 <StickyNoob> well this is cargo cultism. format your paper like a journal, use the same language and hay presto...its science
04:55 <Pathetique> "Below are select observations from video of the WTC 1 collapse."
04:55 * Pathetique points to the word "select"
04:58 <Pathetique> The author clearly doesn't remember or never took even the most basic kind of high school physics class.
04:59 <Pathetique> His calculations make little to no sense.
05:01 <StickyNoob> it wouldnt surprise me if it was written by someone at school. seems about that level
05:08 <Pathetique> The author loves to use the phrase "This corroborates" in front of so many different thigns
05:09 <Pathetique> I don't think he or she quite understands what it means.
05:13 <StickyNoob> well amusingly he appears to intend to submit it for peer review(i presume in a journal) so when the feedback refuses for reasons like not having a referencing system, it will feed his cover up theory
05:18 <Pathetique> indeed
05:20 <Pathetique> Also, you can't require little tiny videos on the screen. They're compressed, and compression can create artifacts in the video that make things look different.
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06:27 <ivantis> tada, im back!
06:28 <ivantis> im using the Wii browser
06:28 <ivantis> #toast
06:28 <armabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
06:37 <ivantis> no one?
06:38 <Lucifer> oh what the hell, I was asked to think instead of believe, and it's another crackpot conspiracy theory that people often believe because they don't think
06:39 <ivantis> you ought to think
06:39 <Lucifer> When the collapse occurred the air volume from the floors were all smoky. <--- what does this sentence mean?
06:39 <Lucifer> "the air volume ... were all smoky"
06:39 <Lucifer> do they mean the air was filled with smoke? Why not just say "the air was filled with smoke"?
06:39 <ivantis> ?whered it come from?
06:39 <Pathetique> To be more mysterious, Lucifer.
06:40 <Pathetique> That's the only reason.
06:40 <Lucifer> Any interior fires that were able to thrive in these fire unfriendly conditions would not outperform fires that were seen. <--- well, if there wasn't any oxygen inside the building, then how could people be in there working?
06:40 <Lucifer> conclusion: there was plenty of oxygen inside the building
06:40 <Lucifer> in fact, the WTC had a huge system whose purpose was to circulate air so nobody would suffocate
06:40 <ivantis> #quote get 74
06:40 <armabot> ivantis: Quote #74: "Pathetique: I find it funny how ivantis can write C++ but has no clue how to actually write it." (added by ct|kyle at 09:07 PM, July 28, 2008)
06:41 <ivantis> yeah good one
06:41 <Pathetique> mhm
06:41 <Lucifer> Fires wormed their way throughout the building looking for fuel (office materials). <--- that's not a very scientific way of describing the behavior of fire
06:41 <Lucifer> it also assumes that office materials were the only fuel available
06:42 <Lucifer> what about the big mass of kerosene that was thrown onto the building from the airplane?
06:42 <Pathetique> I know, right?
06:42 <ivantis> xybots IS a good game
06:42 <Lucifer> What the data shows is that it is very unlikely that fires caused floor 97 to collapse. <--- fires didn't cause any floor to collapse, the collision of the airplane did!
06:43 <Lucifer> looks like their premise is flawed
06:43 <Pathetique> Mhm
06:43 <Pathetique> Just wait till you get to the physics that they throw in there.
06:43 <Lucifer> the consensus in the engineering community, at least those I"ve talked to, is that the weird honeycomb design of the frame was compromised by the airplane collision
06:43 <Lucifer> do I really want to read far enough to watch this guy trash newton's laws?
06:43 <ivantis> oh yeah, path: ima turn my code for teleporting to you, find whats wrong
06:44 <ivantis> hmm?
06:44 <Pathetique> Its kind of amusing.
06:44 <Lucifer> The exposed steel columns are ALL straight. <--- not possible if there were 35 fire groups in the building, eh? Some of them had to be warped, metal expands as it gets hotter, after all
06:45 <Pathetique> He uses selected resources to support his findings.
06:45 <Pathetique> he has an agenda, and there's nothing scientific about that paper.
06:45 <Lucifer> I want to point out that the government's providing of basic architectural information about the WTC has been piece-meal at best. <--- you can just go get the plans any time you want, they're on file and available to the public
06:45 * Lucifer has seen them
06:45 <Lucifer> (copies, anyway)
06:45 <ivantis> you guys make me sleepy
06:46 <Pathetique> lulz
06:46 <Lucifer> Could fires burning on only 13% of floor 97 cause 75% of the columns to fail simultaneously? Science says no way. <--- I think he's right about this one, heh
06:46 <ivantis> ima watch TV, my arm is tired from this Wii-mote
06:47 <ivantis> goodnight
06:47 <Lucifer> In fire, the behavior of steel is as follows. It heats up. It weakens. It fatigues. It fatigues more. Failure is gradual. <--- I think he just made this up
06:47 <Lucifer> Steel does not go from undetectable, immeasurable fatigue to catastrophic failure like a flick of a light switch. <--- actually, it can
06:47 <ivantis> #alias add goodnight echo "Goodnight, $who"
06:47 <armabot> ivantis: The operation succeeded.
06:48 <ivantis> #goodnight
06:48 <armabot> Goodnight, ivantis
06:48 <Lucifer> You can try this experiment (please exercise safety). Warm up the steel hot with the torch. Note how stiff the steel is. Now heat it up so it glows orange hot in the middle- put over 2000 C on it. Note how stiff the steel is- it bends. <--- Now put 22000 cars on the piece of steel and watch it break
06:49 <Lucifer> It is a well known fact that steel is an excellent conductor material. The WTC 1 had a 100,000 ton steel frame. This was like a giant heatsink. <--- doesn't happen that quickly. I used to weld exhaust pipes, and while you could burn your hand by touching the weld, if you touched the front of the pipe, it was just warm
06:49 <ivantis> how could you tell what color the middle is?
06:50 <ivantis> yawn
06:50 <Lucifer> the middle of what?
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06:50 <Lucifer> The government has asserted weakening by fire is a primary cause of collapse. <--- Yes, weakening by fire. Is it so hard to understand?
06:51 <Pathetique> He's probably in high school.
06:51 <Lucifer> The fact is those columns were able to handle the FULL building load during fire when they were at their weakest state. <--- The building was still oscillating from the collision, which would have placed a tremendous bending moment on each column, and the bending moment would vary quite a bit
06:51 <Pathetique> with nothing to do but sit around like a dooshnoob and make up propoganda
06:52 <Lucifer> not to mention the change in loading caused by everyone running into the stairwells
06:53 <Lucifer> Upper building above floor 97 moves downward, Second row of a dual set of explosions at Floor 97 are seen. <--- wouldn't the motion of the floor above floor 97 cause debris to be scattered?
06:53 <Lucifer> ok, I'm done
06:53 <Lucifer> wait, one more thing
06:53 <Pathetique> mhm
06:53 <Pathetique> These are all things that I thought of.
06:54 <Lucifer> Individual floors collapsed in a demolition-like manner. <--- what does this guy's computer simulations show would be the appropriate way for a building to collapse when it's been hit by an airliner?
06:54 <Lucifer> The WTC 1 collapse had two parts: 1) a falling part; 2) a collapsing part. <--- that's one part, said with synonyms
06:54 <Lucifer> #dict collapse
06:54 <armabot> Lucifer: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Collapse \Col*lapse"\, n. 1. A falling together suddenly, as of the sides of a hollow vessel. [1913 Webster] 2. A sudden and complete failure; an utter failure of any kind; a breakdown. [Colloq.] [1913 Webster] 3. (Med.) Extreme depression or sudden failing of all the vital powers, as the result of disease, injury, or nervous disturbance. (15 more messages)
06:55 <Pathetique> What he also is not talking about is how the pressure that came out of Floor 94 could have been caused by overpressure traveling down elevator shafts and staircases
06:55 <Lucifer> floor 94 is where the plane hit, I take it?
06:56 <Pathetique> I don't know
06:56 <Pathetique> I didn't pay much attention to the paper.
06:56 <Lucifer> it also doesn't look like he paid much attention to the fact that the WTC towers were the only buildings built with their peculiar design
06:57 <Lucifer> and they weren't primarily supported by the beams alone, that's how come there was so little steel in them compared to, say, the Empire State Building
06:57 <Lucifer> and masonry indeed can be trashed quickly by fire
06:57 <Lucifer> ever point a torch at the sidewalk? ;)
06:59 <Pathetique> I've used one of those "flasher" firework things on asphalt before
06:59 <Pathetique> It becomes molten
07:00 <Lucifer> sidewalks pop, there's air bubbles in there
07:00 <Lucifer> masonry does melt pretty quickly, but my experience is it pops too
07:01 <Lucifer> I don't remember what else the walls were made out of
07:01 <Lucifer> hey, any idea what the mass of a boeing 737 is?
07:01 <Pathetique> lol
07:01 <Pathetique> lets find out
07:03 <Lucifer> I'll bet wikipedia knows
07:04 * Pathetique awaits
07:04 <Lucifer> ah wait, it was a 767-223er
07:05 <Lucifer> 179,170 kg
07:05 <Lucifer> and how fast was it traveling when it hit the tower?
07:05 <Pathetique> rly fast?
07:05 <Pathetique> Like, almost throttled out
07:05 <Lucifer> 750 km/h)
07:06 <Lucifer> what's that in m/s? ;)
07:06 <Pathetique> 750,000
07:06 <Pathetique> lulz
07:07 <Lucifer> need it in m/s, that's m/h ;)
07:07 <Pathetique> oh
07:07 <Pathetique> 1 sec
07:07 <Lucifer> #math calc 750*1000/3600
07:07 <armabot> Lucifer: 208.333333333
07:07 <Pathetique> XP
07:08 <Lucifer> let's make it an even 208
07:08 <Lucifer> #math calc 180000*(208**2)
07:08 <armabot> Lucifer: 7787520000
07:08 <Lucifer> that's a lot of kinetic energy
07:08 <Pathetique> Mhm
07:08 <Lucifer> er
07:08 <Lucifer> #math calc .5*180000*(208**2)
07:08 <armabot> Lucifer: 3893760000
07:09 <Lucifer> that's better, knew I forgot something
07:09 <Lucifer> #math calc 180000*208
07:09 <armabot> Lucifer: 37440000
07:09 <Lucifer> that's momentum of the airplane
07:09 <Lucifer> now, what's the mass of the WTC tower?
07:10 <Pathetique> something like
07:10 <Pathetique> 200k tons?
07:10 <Lucifer> 450,000,000 kg
07:11 <Lucifer> it was a 100% inelastic collision, right?
07:12 * Lucifer gets inelastic and elastic confused in collisions
07:12 <Pathetique> Right
07:12 <Pathetique> there was no reaction
07:13 <Lucifer> so, the tower wasn't moving before the collision, it's velocity is 0, and therefore its momentum is also 0
07:13 <Lucifer> so the total momentum in the system is only what the airplane had, which was 37440000
07:13 <Lucifer> and taht's kg*m/s, of course
07:13 <Pathetique> The tower always had velocity
07:13 <Pathetique> cause of the wind resistance
07:13 <Pathetique> but that was negligable I suppose
07:13 <Lucifer> it's a building, it's not moving in relation to the ground
07:14 <Lucifer> yeah, we're ignoring wind and stuff
07:14 <Lucifer> have to, to do this with armabot ;)
07:14 <Pathetique> indeed
07:14 <Pathetique> lol
07:14 <Lucifer> so total momentum after the collision is equal to total momentum before
07:14 <Lucifer> and that is (mass(tower) + mass(airplane)) * velocity
07:14 <Lucifer> according to the crackpot, velocity of the tower was 0 after the collision
07:15 <Pathetique> LOL
07:15 <Lucifer> which would mean momentum was 0
07:15 <Lucifer> which of course violates physical laws
07:15 <Pathetique> which would mean no collision
07:15 <Pathetique> it violate sthe laws of anime physics
07:15 <Lucifer> OR
07:16 <Lucifer> it means the energy loss was complete, all of the energy in the system was dumped into the structure of the building
07:16 <Lucifer> aha!
07:16 <Lucifer> but according to the crackpot, there weren't very many fires, certainly not enough to account for all that kinetic energy, so where did it go, anyway?
07:16 * Lucifer is trying to figure out how much the wtc's kinetic energy changed as a result of the collision
07:17 <Lucifer> so let's look at the loss-less scenario
07:17 <Lucifer> total mass of the airplane and tower together
07:18 <Lucifer> #math calc 450000000 +180000
07:18 <armabot> Lucifer: 450180000
07:18 <Lucifer> #math calc 37440000/450180000
07:18 <armabot> Lucifer: 0.0831667333067
07:18 <Lucifer> yay, so the building was moving at 0.08m/s after the collision
07:19 <Pathetique> Which sounds about right
07:19 <Lucifer> of course, that also contradicts what the crackpot said, which I quoted. Something along the lines of the building wasn't moving at all
07:19 <Lucifer> and it oscillated, because it didn't just tip over
07:19 <Lucifer> it went out a ways, then came back, in a complex harmonic motion
07:20 <Lucifer> which would have stressed the steel that was rapidly weakening *in places* due to fire
07:20 <Pathetique> mhm
07:22 <Lucifer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#Design_innovations
07:23 <Lucifer> now, I don't recall the last verdict being weakening to due fire, I recall it being the compromise of the structural integrity of the lattice structures
07:23 <Lucifer> caused by the collision (there was an energy loss, there had to be for the plane to do damage to the building at all)
07:24 <Lucifer> FEMA's proposed explanation was rejected by a later, more detailed investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which was completed in September 2005. Like FEMA, NIST vindicated the design of the WTC, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. NIST also emphasized the role of the fires, but it did not
07:24 <Lucifer> attribute the collapses to failing floor joists. Instead, NIST found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: "This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."[4]
07:26 <Lucifer> Firefighters reported a large explosion and fire in the lobby long before the collapse. <--- if this is true, the crackpot is right but for the wrong reasons
07:29 <Pathetique> I don't know. I find it funny how he chose individual accounts over the accounts of the government to use for his agenda.
07:32 <Lucifer> well of course, if you're going to be a crackpot, you can't trust anything the government says, unless it supports your crackpot theory
07:33 <Lucifer> see, here's where the whole "controlled demolition" thing gets stuck in my maw
07:33 <Lucifer> it's not about the physics or any of that
07:33 <Lucifer> it's about the size of the conspiracy that would have been required to pull it off
07:34 <Pathetique> Indeed.
07:34 <Pathetique> The idea of someone planting large amounts of thermite in an inconspicuous manner seems farfetched to me.
07:35 <Lucifer> and they say that jet fuel went down elevator shafts to the lower levels
07:35 <Lucifer> jet fuel combusts when it's pressurized!
07:35 <Lucifer> so it makes sense there may have been explosions at a low level caused by the jet fuel
07:35 <Pathetique> a lot of fuels do
07:42 <Pathetique> All the time I was reading that article
07:42 <Pathetique> I was thinking
07:42 <Pathetique> Think of the energy involved you idiot.
07:42 <Pathetique> Lay off the crack and think!
07:46 <Lucifer> Eagar remarked, "These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."
07:49 <Pathetique> http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart_intro.htm <--
07:49 <Pathetique> That's interesting.
07:49 <Pathetique> I'm out. I gotta crash. Goodnight. Keep posting good points, lucifer.
07:49 <Pathetique> I like reading something from someone who has the energy/concentration to think that hard right now
07:49 <Pathetique> lol
07:52 <Lucifer> heh, ok :)
07:55 <Lucifer> so, I'm not saying there's no conspiracy, just that we don't need bad spy movie villains to have a conspiracy
07:55 <Lucifer> never attribute to malice what can be more accurately explained by stupidity: the coverup
07:56 <Lucifer> yes, the agencies all played CYA afterwards, we expect big bureaucracies to do exactly that: point at everybody else and say "We didn't know nothin'!"
07:56 <Lucifer> there aren't enough holes in any official account I've seen to need more explanation than that
07:57 <Lucifer> consider instead that when Bush Sr. was president, terrorists were largely inactive, that was an inactive period for them as far as the US was concerned
07:57 <Lucifer> but while Clinton was president, al-qaeda couldn't get close, they kept getting caught when they came too close to the US
07:57 <Lucifer> they hit us in other places, sure
07:58 <Lucifer> then, 9 months after W takes office, bam! The worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor
07:58 <Lucifer> could be coincidental, but the simplest conspiracy theory is that W (or someone close to him) saw to it that the funding was there
07:58 <Lucifer> last I heard, the money trail hadn't been followed past the point where we could convict brown people
07:58 <Lucifer> so if it led farther, we don't know
07:58 <Lucifer> anyway, that's my attempt at crackpot conspiracy theories
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12:15 <StickyNoob> akira_arma: unfortunately your paper did not recieve favourable reviews
12:42 <akira_arma> so reviews are your only criteria?
12:42 <akira_arma> did you read it?
12:42 <akira_arma> fzully?
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15:48 <Pathetique> I read through it, but ignored all the data that was provided. It seemed like garage.
15:48 <Pathetique> garbage.
15:48 <Pathetique> *
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15:54 <StickyNoob> at the risk of giving akira_arma amunition, no i did not read all of it. i quickly came to the opinion that it was not going to deliver information in a clear way or back up any of its data.
15:55 <akira_arma> it is very interesting though that any debunk site or docu i saw never used any formulas or scientific explanations
15:56 <akira_arma> and as far as i wnt through it the formulas were correct
15:56 <akira_arma> oh well
15:56 <akira_arma> nvm
15:57 <Pathetique> They were correct, but the writer used individual accounts when there were conflicts between the government-released accounts and individual accounts.
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15:57 <akira_arma> anyways
15:57 <akira_arma> http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image126.jpg
15:57 <akira_arma> does this look like a collapse?
15:58 <xfroggy> omg
15:58 <xfroggy> again with 9/11
15:58 <luke-jr> looks like a bunch of water! :D
15:58 <akira_arma> yes
15:58 <akira_arma> or a volcano;)
15:58 <StickyNoob> looks like minas tirith
15:58 <luke-jr> or a 3D rendering
15:58 <akira_arma> guess collapses turnsbuildings into dust
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15:59 * StickyNoob guesses akira_arma is not an expert
15:59 <akira_arma> see
15:59 <akira_arma> thats all you say
15:59 <luke-jr> too bad it wasn't some major military or government building
15:59 <Pathetique> As Lucifer said earlier, of course he/she used the individual account: when you're a crackpot, you never trust anything the government says unless it supports your crackpot theories.
15:59 <akira_arma> at least i have left some common sense
16:00 <akira_arma> if you tell me that that is a collapse
16:00 <luke-jr> akira_arma: the only problem I have with 9/11 is that innocent people died
16:00 <akira_arma> yes
16:00 <luke-jr> otherwise, I'm not sure I care
16:00 <akira_arma> not only you
16:00 <Monkey_arma> damn xchat nick colours...akira luke and path are all in the same damn colour
16:00 <akira_arma> I care because the people who lie are in charge
16:00 <Pathetique> akira, check the chatlogs starting at 12:38 AM Eastern Standard Time yesterday.
16:01 <akira_arma> i dont have logs
16:01 <Pathetique> x.x
16:01 <Pathetique> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
16:01 <StickyNoob> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/log-2008-07-29.txt
16:02 <Pathetique> Lucifer says
16:02 <Pathetique> "oh what the hell..."
16:03 <akira_arma> you know what i like
16:03 <akira_arma> that your whole critcism
16:03 <akira_arma> is about which words were used etc
16:03 <akira_arma> and that i am not an expert and that no one is probably
16:03 <akira_arma> except the ones pretending to be official
16:04 <akira_arma> thats rather unserious
16:04 <akira_arma> imho
16:04 <akira_arma> i am also amused about
16:04 <akira_arma> that the so called conspiracy side
16:04 <K-Yo> hello
16:04 <akira_arma> has constantly to prove shit
16:04 <akira_arma> while the other side doesnt
16:05 <akira_arma> also because its "official2
16:05 <akira_arma> "
16:05 * akira_arma points at official report
16:05 <akira_arma> the collapse is handled in 3 lines there
16:05 <akira_arma> "collapse"
16:06 <akira_arma> and debunk sites arent that much better
16:06 <akira_arma> also there is one funny thing with that "collpase"
16:07 <akira_arma> where comes the energy from to turn the building into ultra fine dust?
16:07 <akira_arma> if the kinetic eenergy was used to break off the lower floors
16:07 <akira_arma> magic?
16:08 <StickyNoob> akira_arma: I dont have to prove anything because I am not making any assertations about what happend, thus no evidence is needed. You ARE making statements therefore need to back it up
16:08 <akira_arma> no
16:08 <akira_arma> at first i dont make any statements
16:08 <akira_arma> i just say
16:08 <Pathetique> akira
16:08 <akira_arma> the official theory is bullcrap
16:08 <akira_arma> they didnt prove it to me either
16:08 <Pathetique> When you have a structure that large and tall, you have a TON of potential energy.
16:08 <Pathetique> a TON.
16:08 <StickyNoob> akira_arma: look up the word statement because i dont think it means what you think it means
16:08 <akira_arma> dont be poular scientist
16:09 <akira_arma> path
16:09 <akira_arma> the top starts to fall
16:09 <Pathetique> I'm not, I'm explaining what happens.
16:09 <akira_arma> no
16:09 <Pathetique> As Lucifer did earlier.
16:09 <akira_arma> you are making a half-baked crap
16:09 <akira_arma> the structure under the impact zone
16:09 <akira_arma> is designed
16:10 <akira_arma> to hold the top + a certain security measure
16:10 <akira_arma> so if the top falls
16:10 <xfroggy> my guess akira_arma got some new evidence this time? lol
16:10 <akira_arma> no
16:10 <akira_arma> i simply try
16:10 <xfroggy> i thought u 2 ended it last time lol
16:10 <akira_arma> to bring up common sense and phsical laws into the discussion
16:10 <Pathetique> So, lets do this how Lucifer did this.
16:10 <akira_arma> which is obviously wrong
16:10 <Pathetique> As you may know
16:10 <akira_arma> why?
16:11 <akira_arma> cant you think for yourself?
16:11 <akira_arma> need Lucifer?
16:11 <Pathetique> Lucifer works in a physics lab in Texas.
16:11 <akira_arma> when the top falls this 1 floor down
16:11 <Pathetique> Akira
16:11 <Pathetique> Just hear me out.
16:11 <akira_arma> it may exceed the security tolerance
16:11 <akira_arma> of the lower
16:11 <Pathetique> I'm going by what Lucifer said because it was what I was already thinking.
16:12 <akira_arma> the all doesnt explain why the building was pulverized
16:12 <akira_arma> including most of the steel
16:12 <akira_arma> i really want to see a gravity driven collapse pulverizing steel
16:12 <Pathetique> Ok, hold on.
16:12 <akira_arma> yes
16:12 <Pathetique> So, what was the mass of the plane?
16:13 <akira_arma> what has the plane to do with it?
16:13 <Pathetique> It was a 767
16:13 <akira_arma> i already assumed the top started to fall
16:13 <Pathetique> It was 179,170 kg
16:13 <Pathetique> And how fast was it when it hit the tower?
16:13 <akira_arma> path?
16:13 <Pathetique> 750km/h
16:13 <akira_arma> do you listen?
16:13 <Pathetique> Yes, but do you?
16:13 <akira_arma> i am already assuming the steel failed
16:13 <akira_arma> at floor 78
16:14 <Pathetique> I'm debunking what the author said from the beginning.
16:14 <akira_arma> that has nothing to do with the whole lower structure
16:14 <Pathetique> So...
16:14 <akira_arma> which is intact
16:14 <Pathetique> #math 750*1000/3600
16:14 <K-Yo> # calc
16:14 <armabot> K-Yo: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".
16:14 <akira_arma> path you mix 2 things up
16:14 <Pathetique> Akira.
16:14 <K-Yo> #math calc
16:14 <Pathetique> ffs.
16:14 <armabot> K-Yo: (math calc <math expression>) -- Returns the value of the evaluated <math expression>. The syntax is Python syntax; the type of arithmetic is floating point. Floating point arithmetic is used in order to prevent a user from being able to crash to the bot with something like '10**10**10**10'. One consequence is that large values such as '10**24' might not be exact.
16:14 <akira_arma> but go on
16:15 <Pathetique> #math calc 750*1000/3600
16:15 <armabot> Pathetique: 208.333333333
16:15 <Pathetique> So the plane was traveling at 208 meters per second when it hit the tower.
16:15 <akira_arma> yes
16:15 <akira_arma> so?
16:15 <akira_arma> it certainly damaged alot of columns
16:15 <Pathetique> #math calc 180000*(208**2)
16:15 <armabot> Pathetique: 7787520000
16:15 <akira_arma> as you can see from the vids too
16:15 <Pathetique> So that's a lot of kinetic energy.
16:16 <Pathetique> oh
16:16 <akira_arma> uhh yes?
16:16 <Pathetique> write
16:16 <Pathetique> #math calc .5*180000*(208**2)
16:16 <armabot> Pathetique: 3893760000
16:16 <akira_arma> the funny thing path
16:16 <Pathetique> So lets get the momentum of the plane
16:16 <akira_arma> which you obviously dont see
16:16 <akira_arma> exactly
16:16 <Pathetique> #math calc 180000*208
16:16 <armabot> Pathetique: 37440000
16:16 <akira_arma> momentum is directed
16:16 <Pathetique> So
16:16 <akira_arma> its a vector
16:16 <Pathetique> What was the mass of the tower?
16:17 <Pathetique> It was around 450,000,000 kb
16:17 <akira_arma> what do you want to say
16:17 <Pathetique> I'm saying it
16:17 <Pathetique> I'm no where near done
16:17 <akira_arma> i think i know but i cant believe it ;)
16:17 <akira_arma> because you simply forget
16:17 <akira_arma> that momentum is directed
16:17 <akira_arma> its a vector
16:18 <Pathetique> So the tower wasn't moving (we're neglecting oscillation caused by the wind resistance against the building as well as the oscillation caused by the movement of people)
16:18 <akira_arma> also the wings cant even translate alot of kinetic energy to the colmuns because they were alumnium
16:18 <Pathetique> Its velocity was 0, and therefore its momentum is 0
16:19 <Pathetique> So the total momentum of the system is only what the airplane had, which was 37440000
16:19 <Pathetique> And that's kg*m/s
16:19 <Pathetique> So
16:19 <Pathetique> according to the law of conservation of momentum
16:19 <akira_arma> see there you make the mistake
16:19 <Pathetique> (mass(tower)) + (mass(airplane)) * velocity
16:19 <akira_arma> the kinetic energy isnt fully trnaslated to the holding structure of the tower
16:19 <akira_arma> sigh
16:20 <Pathetique> I'm getting to that
16:20 <akira_arma> its mostly converted into heat
16:20 <Pathetique> If you let me get there
16:20 <akira_arma> sure
16:20 <Pathetique> According to the author
16:20 <Pathetique> the velocity of the tower was 0 after the collision
16:20 <Pathetique> which would mean momentum was 0
16:20 <Pathetique> which of course violates physical laws
16:21 <Pathetique> or it means that the energy loss was complete, all of the energy in the system was slammed into the structure of the building
16:21 <Pathetique> So lets try looking at the loss-less scenario
16:21 <Pathetique> Total Mass of the airplane and tower together
16:21 <Pathetique> #math calc 450000000 + 180000
16:21 <armabot> Pathetique: 450180000
16:22 <Pathetique> #math calc 37440000/450180000
16:22 <armabot> Pathetique: 0.0831667333067
16:22 <Pathetique> So the building was moving at 0.08 m/s after the collision
16:22 <Pathetique> So it oscillated
16:22 <Pathetique> It moved back, then forward, and repeated
16:23 <Pathetique> So this places stress on the already weakened steal structures
16:23 <luke-jr> akira_arma: actually
16:23 <luke-jr> Lucifer is responsible for the WTC attack
16:23 <luke-jr> personally
16:23 <akira_arma> you forget a few things
16:23 <akira_arma> almost half of the mass was kerosene
16:23 <akira_arma> in the wings
16:23 <Pathetique> Precisely.
16:23 <akira_arma> yes
16:24 <Pathetique> But that's still mass that is moving
16:24 <akira_arma> its kinetic energy is almost fully translated into heat
16:24 <Pathetique> and regardless of whether or not it explodes
16:24 <Pathetique> at the moment of impact it still adds to the total momentum of the plane
16:24 <akira_arma> well
16:24 <Pathetique> after it impacts, and starts to meet resistance, it then is compressed
16:24 <akira_arma> thast actually a silly argument
16:24 <Pathetique> and kerosene explodes when it is compressed.
16:24 <akira_arma> its like claiming
16:25 <luke-jr> akira_arma: but Lucifer looked upon the WTC with hate
16:25 <luke-jr> that made it fall
16:25 <akira_arma> a HUGE wave would wash away a solid building
16:25 <luke-jr> obviously!
16:25 <akira_arma> structure still matters
16:25 <Pathetique> what?
16:25 <Pathetique> I don't seal how that is at all related.
16:25 <akira_arma> the wings break instantly
16:26 <akira_arma> releasing all the kerosene
16:26 * luke-jr breaks akira_arma's wings off
16:26 <Pathetique> You're forgetting
16:26 <Pathetique> that a plane isn't made out of flimsy aluminum
16:26 <akira_arma> the wings are
16:26 <akira_arma> and they carry half of the mass
16:26 <Pathetique> Its made out of aircraft grade, which is EXTREMELY strong and light.
16:27 <luke-jr> just like me!
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16:27 <akira_arma> so plane wings arent made of aluminium?
16:27 <Pathetique> Never said that.
16:27 <luke-jr> akira_arma: he said flimsy
16:27 <Pathetique> LOL!
16:27 <luke-jr> but anyhow
16:27 <Pathetique> If they can carry the weight of an entire plane, they aren't going to break/pop at the slightest impact.
16:27 <luke-jr> plane wings don't exist
16:27 <luke-jr> they are illusions
16:27 <Pathetique> The way you describe it
16:27 <akira_arma> they break if they collide
16:27 <akira_arma> wings break anyhow
16:27 <Pathetique> A bird impacting a wing should be able to cause a massive explosion
16:28 <akira_arma> 4G maneuvres break wings
16:28 <Pathetique> Tell me
16:28 <Pathetique> Why were there CLEAR outlines of the plane's wings in the side of the building after impact.
16:28 <Pathetique> On BOTH of the towers.
16:28 <Pathetique> They didn't pop on the outside and cause the explosion.
16:28 <akira_arma> of course
16:28 <luke-jr> wtf
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16:28 <akira_arma> i am not ayingf
16:28 <Pathetique> They went inside.
16:29 <akira_arma> they didnt do no damage
16:29 <Pathetique> And then exploded.
16:29 <luke-jr> just stfu already
16:29 <luke-jr> who cares
16:29 <akira_arma> but is till fail to see how a gravity driven collapse can turn a building into ultra fine dust
16:29 <Pathetique> Trust me, I'm getting to that.
16:29 <Pathetique> Anyway..."Firefighters reported a large explosion and fire in the lobby long before the collapse." <--- if that's true, the author is right but for the wrong reasons.
16:30 <luke-jr> Pathetique: just drop a metal block from WTC height on akira_arma's head
16:30 <akira_arma> and tell me one more thing
16:30 <akira_arma> why are skyscrapers designed to withstand such planes
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16:30 <akira_arma> when they crumble to dust if 1 hits them
16:30 <Pathetique> oh boy
16:30 <Pathetique> 07:23 <Lucifer> now, I don't recall the last verdict being weakening to due fire, I recall it being the compromise of the structural integrity of the lattice structures
16:31 <Pathetique> 07:23 <Lucifer> caused by the collision (there was an energy loss, there had to be for the plane to do damage to the building at all)
16:31 <Pathetique> 07:24 <Lucifer> FEMA's proposed explanation was rejected by a later, more detailed investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which was completed in September 2005. Like FEMA, NIST vindicated the design of the WTC, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past. NIST also emphasized the role of the
16:31 <Pathetique> 07:24 <Lucifer> attribute the collapses to failing floor joists. Instead, NIST found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: "This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."[4]
16:31 <akira_arma> so you are implying that the whole structure failed including steel
16:31 <Pathetique> Read it.
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16:31 <luke-jr> I am implying that this conversation is fail.
16:32 <akira_arma> ok let me dig up something to reply
16:32 <akira_arma> if you argue with foreign words
16:32 <akira_arma> i can do that too
16:32 <luke-jr> looks like English to me
16:32 <Pathetique> I'm not going to argue with foreign words.
16:32 <Pathetique> I wasn't going to retype all of that.
16:33 <akira_arma> http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/snowball.jpg
16:33 <luke-jr> go to #911truth you two
16:33 <akira_arma> look at the debris
16:33 <Pathetique> The thing that got both me and Lucifer was the size of the conspiracy that would have been required in order to pull the "controlled demolition" thing off.
16:33 <akira_arma> yes
16:33 <akira_arma> exactly
16:33 <StickyNoob> #crackpot clearly
16:33 <akira_arma> that is the final argument
16:33 <akira_arma> which i encounter evrytime
16:34 <akira_arma> which is behind all
16:34 <luke-jr> Pathetique: impossible for men to pull off, eh?
16:34 <Pathetique> LOL!@sticky
16:34 <Pathetique> luke-jr: perhaps aliens?
16:34 <StickyNoob> luke-jr: isnt it a sin for men to pull off?
16:34 <Pathetique> akira_arma: The idea of someone planting large amounts of thermite in an inconspicuous manner seems farfetched to me.
16:34 <akira_arma> i dont say it was thermite in the first place
16:34 <akira_arma> i am just saying
16:34 <luke-jr> maybe it was demons!
16:35 <Pathetique> The author said it was most likely thermite.
16:35 <akira_arma> that the official theory is a lie
16:35 <Pathetique> So.
16:35 <luke-jr> but that would mean Bush really did do it <.<
16:35 <akira_arma> because it sphysically not possible
16:35 <Pathetique> Firefighters reported a large explosion and fire in the lobby long before the collapse. <--- if this is true, the author is right, but for the wrong reasons
16:35 <StickyNoob> awww im the only person in #911truth
16:36 <akira_arma> http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/WTC-A1-75.jpg
16:36 <Pathetique> Can you not use pictures to respond to logical statement?
16:36 <luke-jr> akira_arma: oooh pretty colours!
16:36 <akira_arma> these are just fall curves
16:36 <luke-jr> no
16:36 <akira_arma> i am rather lazy to repeat the numbers for each
16:36 <luke-jr> they are pretty colours
16:37 <akira_arma> you quote too
16:37 <Pathetique> You saying, "But it looks different! It can't've happened the way the government says it did!" means nothing when compared to something that the National Institute of Standards and Technology released.
16:37 <Pathetique> They know wtf they're talking about. Especially when it takes them 4 years to investigate something.
16:37 <luke-jr> Pathetique: WHY NOT INTERNATIONAL⁈
16:38 <epsy> ZOMG HERETIC
16:38 <akira_arma> ok
16:38 <akira_arma> i talk in numbers
16:38 <Pathetique> Jet fuel combusts when its pressurized.
16:38 <akira_arma> i drop a ball from the top of the buidling
16:38 <Pathetique> So upon impact, kerosene combusted
16:38 <akira_arma> ah well
16:38 <akira_arma> nvm
16:38 <Pathetique> and this combustion must have gone down any elevator shafts that were around.
16:38 <akira_arma> ;)
16:39 <akira_arma> so?
16:39 <Pathetique> That allows for the whole
16:39 <Pathetique> Firefighters reported a large explosion and fire in the lobby long before the collapse.
16:39 <Pathetique> thing
16:39 <akira_arma> it isnt very hot
16:39 <akira_arma> and it surely doesnt last
16:39 <akira_arma> long
16:39 <akira_arma> stell doesnt give up all strength at one point
16:39 <akira_arma> steel
16:39 <akira_arma> but somehow the whole building decided to crumble into dust
16:40 <akira_arma> also you could see in the vids that the fires were vanishing
16:40 <akira_arma> steel cools then
16:40 <akira_arma> regains strength
16:40 <Pathetique> You don't realize
16:40 <Pathetique> is that
16:40 <Pathetique> like a charcoal driven grill
16:41 <Pathetique> even though the visible fire disappears
16:41 <Pathetique> its still hot
16:41 <Pathetique> very hot
16:41 <akira_arma> no shit
16:41 <Pathetique> So then obviously
16:41 <akira_arma> but i think office material is no charcoal
16:41 <Pathetique> the steel was still weakened due to being heated up by the fires.
16:41 <akira_arma> yes
16:41 <akira_arma> i agree
16:41 <akira_arma> most of the heat got transferred around the columns tho
16:41 <akira_arma> steel does that very well
16:41 <Pathetique> Not true.
16:42 <akira_arma> "some"
16:42 <akira_arma> whatever
16:42 <akira_arma> it doesnt matter at all
16:42 <Pathetique> Lucifer was saying how he used to work in a welding shop, and while if you touched what was being welded, you'd get a burn, but if you held a tailpipe by the other end, it would only get warm.
16:42 <akira_arma> yes
16:42 <akira_arma> i am nt sayin g the steel wasnt hot
16:42 <epsy> ZOMG HERETIC
16:43 <akira_arma> i am saying that the buidling just decided to crumble into dust
16:43 <akira_arma> at near freefall
16:43 <Pathetique> *sigh
16:43 <Pathetique> *
16:43 <akira_arma> did you see the pics of the leftovers?=
16:43 <Pathetique> That's the trouble with personification of inanimate objects.
16:43 <Pathetique> Akira
16:43 <Pathetique> I don't think there's a single person on this earth
16:43 <Pathetique> that didn't see the remnants of the towers.
16:43 <akira_arma> so?
16:44 <akira_arma> i guess its normal when they collapse into 2% of their original hieght
16:44 <akira_arma> doing minimal collateral damage
16:44 <akira_arma> and leaving a cloud of ultra fine dust
16:44 <Pathetique> Minimal collateral damage?
16:44 <akira_arma> which settled even after weeks
16:44 <akira_arma> yes
16:44 <akira_arma> just look at the pics
16:45 <akira_arma> for a building of that height
16:45 <akira_arma> the damage was minimal
16:45 <Pathetique> Several buildings that were beneath the collapses were destroyed or deemed unsafe to use due to damage caused by them.
16:45 <akira_arma> of course
16:45 <akira_arma> but for a building of that hieght
16:45 <akira_arma> that damae was minimal
16:45 <Pathetique> Height is no factor.
16:45 <Pathetique> If something is going to come down
16:45 <Pathetique> its coming down
16:45 <Pathetique> its not going to jump outward like a small child.
16:46 <akira_arma> http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/mushroom.jpg
16:46 <Pathetique> "I want to point out that the government's providing of basic architectural information about the WTC has been piece-meal at best."
16:46 <akira_arma> it jumps outwards actually
16:46 <Pathetique> LOL
16:46 <Pathetique> That's no mushroom.
16:46 <akira_arma> the pic is just called that
16:46 <akira_arma> nvm the name
16:46 <Pathetique> That's because
16:46 <Pathetique> nvm
16:46 <Pathetique> I want to point out that the government's providing of basic architectural information about the WTC has been piece-meal at best.
16:47 <Pathetique> This isn't true.
16:47 <akira_arma> ok lsiten
16:47 <Pathetique> The blueprints are on file and are available to the public.
16:47 <akira_arma> at that pic
16:47 <akira_arma> the building is already hald down
16:47 <akira_arma> the collapse wave is at half
16:47 <akira_arma> where is the mass of upper part gone?
16:47 <akira_arma> its obviously turned ionto dust
16:47 <Pathetique> No
16:47 <Pathetique> Concrete turned into dust
16:47 <Pathetique> But the steel was coming down on top of the rest of the tower.
16:48 <akira_arma> that is wrong
16:48 <akira_arma> they found aonly few steel
16:48 <akira_arma> only part of outer columns
16:48 <Pathetique> They found more than just a few pieces of steel.
16:48 <akira_arma> and at bottom
16:48 <Pathetique> lulz
16:48 <akira_arma> the whole core crumbled
16:48 <Pathetique> Mhm.
16:49 <Pathetique> ok
16:49 <Pathetique> riddle me this.
16:49 <Pathetique> "In fire, the behavior of steel is as follows. It heats up. It weakens. It fatigues. It fatigues more. Failure is gradual."
16:49 <Pathetique> what the fuck does that mean?
16:49 <akira_arma> well pathetique i dont mind anymore
16:49 <akira_arma> i talked to 5 static engineers
16:49 <Pathetique> Online or in person?
16:49 <akira_arma> they all agree about the impossibilty
16:49 <akira_arma> person
16:49 <Pathetique> And were they credible?
16:50 <akira_arma> well they did their job good up to now
16:50 <Pathetique> Did they have access to all of the data that was available?
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16:50 <akira_arma> the buiding structure yes
16:50 <akira_arma> and the approx impact data
16:50 <Pathetique> Lucifer said it perfectly.
16:51 <Pathetique> "You can try this experiment (please exercise safety). Warm up the steel hot with the torch. Note how stiff the steel is. Now heat it up so it glows orange hot in the middle- put over 2000 C on it. Note how stiff the steel is- it bends. <--- Now put 22000 cars on the piece of steel and watch it break"
16:51 <akira_arma> 2000*C?
16:51 <Pathetique> That's in the paper.
16:51 <akira_arma> you know that jet fuel burns atmospheric at 800 max
16:51 <akira_arma> mostly 500
16:51 <Pathetique> Ok
16:51 <Pathetique> You just proved part of your precious source of argument wrong.
16:52 <akira_arma> point me to it
16:52 <akira_arma> i actually didnt care about every part of that source
16:52 <akira_arma> i was mostly interested in the collapse data
16:52 <Pathetique> *sigh*
16:52 <akira_arma> i already assumed that the steel gave way
16:53 <akira_arma> to gave the official stuff at least one credibility
16:53 <Pathetique> The problem with a lot of people is that they don't think for themselves, and when they do, they don't think logically.
16:53 <akira_arma> actually you didnt think very logical too
16:53 <Pathetique> if you're going to put up so much of a fight
16:53 <Pathetique> why not read the entire paper?
16:53 <Pathetique> You ask others to think
16:53 <akira_arma> i dont see how any point of yours can prove what happened
16:53 <Pathetique> but not do it yourself?
16:53 <akira_arma> because i mostly use my common sense
16:53 <Pathetique> I'm not trying to prove what happened
16:53 <Pathetique> I'm trying to prove to you that what you're saying makes no sense.
16:54 <Pathetique> lol
16:54 <akira_arma> i am only saying that it was no pancake ;)
16:54 <Pathetique> "It is a well known fact that steel is an excellent conductor material. The WTC 1 had a 100,000 ton steel frame. This was like a giant heatsink. <--- doesn't happen that quickly. I used to weld exhaust pipes, and while you could burn your hand by touching the weld, if you touched the front of the pipe, it was just warm"
16:54 <Pathetique> "The government has asserted weakening by fire is a primary cause of collapse. <--- Yes, weakening by fire. Is it so hard to understand?"
16:54 <akira_arma> we talk about 2 things
16:54 <akira_arma> again
16:54 <Pathetique> "The fact is those columns were able to handle the FULL building load during fire when they were at their weakest state. <--- The building was still oscillating from the collision, which would have placed a tremendous bending moment on each column, and the bending moment would vary quite a bit"
16:54 <akira_arma> you talk about the cause of the top part coming down
16:55 <akira_arma> i talk about the collapse after that
16:55 <Pathetique> "Upper building above floor 97 moves downward, Second row of a dual set of explosions at Floor 97 are seen. <--- wouldn't the motion of the floor above floor 97 cause debris to be scattered?"
16:55 <Pathetique> Its the same thing, though.
16:55 <Pathetique> Individual floors collapsed in a demolition-like manner. <--- what does this guy's computer simulations show would be the appropriate way for a building to collapse when it's been hit by an airliner?
16:55 <ct|kyle> you are talking about that again o0
16:56 <Pathetique> The WTC 1 collapse had two parts: 1) a falling part; 2) a collapsing part. <--- that's one part, said with synonyms
16:56 <Pathetique> #dict collapse
16:56 <armabot> Pathetique: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Collapse \Col*lapse"\, n. 1. A falling together suddenly, as of the sides of a hollow vessel. [1913 Webster] 2. A sudden and complete failure; an utter failure of any kind; a breakdown. [Colloq.] [1913 Webster] 3. (Med.) Extreme depression or sudden failing of all the vital powers, as the result of disease, injury, or nervous (15 more messages)
16:57 <Pathetique> As for the dust
16:57 <Pathetique> Masonry can easily be trashed quickly by fire.
16:57 <Pathetique> 06:57 <Lucifer> ever point a torch at the sidewalk? ;)
16:57 <Pathetique> 07:00 <Lucifer> sidewalks pop, there's air bubbles in there
16:58 <akira_arma> http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/Image198.jpg
16:58 <akira_arma> before the ruin thats WTC 1
16:58 <Pathetique> Again with the images in response to logical argument.
16:58 <akira_arma> behind is wtc 6
16:58 <Pathetique> Pictures mean nothing today.
16:59 <Pathetique> With digital manipulation possible.
16:59 <akira_arma> ok .... you are talking about the NIST and such data
16:59 <Pathetique> Before?
17:00 <akira_arma> but i am not allowed to cite indepedent sources?
17:00 <Pathetique> I was talking about what the article was saying/citing.
17:00 <akira_arma> also these pics are hardly edited
17:00 <Pathetique> But how can you tell?
17:00 <Pathetique> People don't care about the truth in these situations, and they'll do anything to support what they say is what happened.
17:01 <akira_arma> i care for the truth
17:01 <akira_arma> and what i see is a buidling vanishing
17:01 <akira_arma> into a dustlcoud
17:01 <Pathetique> There are other materials in the building that the paper selectively disregards.
17:01 <akira_arma> thats quite not possible
17:02 <akira_arma> they werent even touched by the impact for the mostpart
17:02 <akira_arma> hmm you are right
17:02 <akira_arma> i concede
17:03 <Pathetique> For example, insulation, carpeting, office desks that are made out of wood, paper, and lots of it, you have even people.
17:04 <akira_arma> means?
17:04 <akira_arma> di you see how much paper survived unscathed?
17:04 <Pathetique> yes, because it blew out.
17:04 <akira_arma> yes
17:05 <akira_arma> they didnt find alomst any of the steel cabinets though
17:05 <Pathetique> They would have been flattened by the weight of the floors alone.
17:06 <Pathetique> Never mind the force exerted by the falling floors with all the weight of everything on them and the floors above them.
17:06 <akira_arma> so it all come down to 2% of its hieight?
17:07 <Pathetique> You forget that this building was build entirely differently than any other steel skyscraper.
17:07 <akira_arma> the pile of wtc 1 was like 10 meters
17:07 <akira_arma> lol
17:07 <akira_arma> i hear that always
17:07 <akira_arma> like tthe wtc wasnt composd of normal materials
17:07 <Pathetique> I didn't say that.
17:07 <akira_arma> thast why they decided to insatntly desintegrate
17:08 <Pathetique> It was build/composed of entirely normal materials.
17:08 <Pathetique> But
17:08 <akira_arma> instaed of piling up to a sizable hill
17:08 <Pathetique> The pile of rubble wasn't the height that the collapse of, say, the Empire State building, would be.
17:08 <akira_arma> it was 10 metres
17:08 <Pathetique> Did any of the engineers that you spoke to mention the design innovations.
17:09 <akira_arma> you are evading my arguments
17:09 <akira_arma> where did the mass go
17:09 <akira_arma> pulverized?
17:09 <Pathetique> Try this.
17:09 <akira_arma> no
17:09 <akira_arma> just answer
17:09 <akira_arma> pulverized?
17:09 <Pathetique> I am answering
17:09 <akira_arma> say yes or no
17:09 <Pathetique> Get yourself to the height of the world trade centers were.
17:09 <Pathetique> In a helicopter or something
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17:10 <Pathetique> and drop various materials onto a street below
17:10 <akira_arma> i am asking you about the dustification of the building
17:10 <Pathetique> Nothing is going to be able to survive it.
17:10 <ivantis> im back!
17:10 <Pathetique> Everything is going to disintigrate.
17:10 <Pathetique> Everything will essentially turn to dust.
17:10 <ivantis> yawn, i just got up. have you guys been yaking all night?
17:10 <akira_arma> ok thats it
17:10 <akira_arma> i give up
17:11 <akira_arma> such arguments arent worthy to prolong this
17:11 <akira_arma> i will die eventually
17:11 <akira_arma> the sun will fade
17:11 <akira_arma> yea sure
17:11 <ivantis> #toast
17:11 <Pathetique> Such arguments? If you cannot win, then at least admit defeat instead of running away from the discussion.
17:11 <armabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
17:12 <akira_arma> i am not running
17:12 <akira_arma> i admit defeat
17:13 <mkzelda> wow i just read all that thinking i might learn something new or see a good argument
17:16 <Monkey_arma> get back to nexuis traitor!
17:16 <mkzelda> :(
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17:25 <ivantis> yay Pathetique: your hex sumo is back
17:25 <Pathetique> That's correct; I'm hosting it right now.
17:25 <Pathetique> LOL!
17:26 <ivantis> i like it
17:26 <Pathetique> thank you :)
17:26 <ivantis> come play!
17:26 <Pathetique> I'm going to make a quick modification to the map.
17:26 <ivantis> k
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17:29 <ivantis> hey guys, i gots to go
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17:29 <ivantis> doctors apointment
17:30 -!- ivantis is now known as ivantis_away
17:32 <StickyNoob> hes really taking this using irc to give us a min by min account of his life to an extreme
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17:33 -!- ivantis_away is now known as ivantis
17:33 <ivantis> who is?
17:33 <StickyNoob> you
17:33 <ivantis> noooo im not
17:34 <Pathetique> lulz
17:34 <StickyNoob> well take off those away messages then
17:34 <ivantis> why?
17:35 <ivantis> they dont say anything, cept for "im away, tell me something later by armabot"
17:35 <StickyNoob> since we have to sit around reading:
17:35 * Monkey_arma agrees with StickyNoob
17:35 <StickyNoob> 16:30 -!- ivantis is now known as ivantis_away
17:35 <StickyNoob> 16:33 -!- ivantis_away is now known as ivantis
17:35 <ivantis> and?
17:35 <Monkey_arma> its fucking annoying
17:36 <ivantis> okokok, ill leave when im away
17:36 <Monkey_arma> you dont need to leave
17:36 <Monkey_arma> just do /away
17:36 <Monkey_arma> without changing your nick
17:36 <ivantis> ok
17:36 <Monkey_arma> it still shows as away
17:37 <ct|kyle> i agree too
17:37 <Monkey_arma> i can tell you who is away at the moment: akira, eddie, guru, p4, pippij, stewa, ttec, wrtl
17:38 <ivantis> yes, i see it
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17:38 <ct|kyle> anyone want a camera bug to fix?
17:39 <ct|kyle> in-cam freezes when you touch a wall and turn (build is from latest trunk)
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18:20 <Pathetique> That sounds exciting kyle
18:20 <Pathetique> lol
18:22 <ct|kyle> LOL
18:32 <epsy> #aka 0:flashy@forums
18:32 <armabot> epsy: ¿29191 |x|flash 0:flashy@forums 0:z0mgz0r@z0mgz0rz
18:32 <K-Yo> #aka ct_k-yo
18:32 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿10181 k-yo ct_k_yo >>wir<<arsch! asleepk >>opfa<< <<opfa>> |x|scorpion |x|blackeagle iloveu.exe omg_hi_i'm aok_/dev/null /\/\.|<.| /\/\.|< 0:K-Yo@forums o:o o_o2 ~*omega*~ 0:K-Yo@x 7fo ` ct_k-yo lumberjack $tar ~afk 0:K-Yo@ct
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18:32 <K-Yo> scorpion?
18:35 <K-Yo> omega?
18:35 <K-Yo> lumberjack?
18:35 <K-Yo> opfa?
18:35 <K-Yo> only names I never used
18:35 <K-Yo> :(
18:36 <Monkey_arma> #aka -g K-Yo@forums
18:36 <armabot> Monkey_arma: I don't know anything about '-g_k-yo@forums'!
18:36 <Monkey_arma> #ls K-Yo
18:36 <armabot> Monkey_arma: cT¤K-Yo has last been seen on Fortress Bar 2 minutes ago.
18:36 <K-Yo> #ls -g K-Yo@crazy-tronners
18:37 <K-Yo> #ls -g K-Yo@forums
18:37 <armabot> K-Yo: top-gun has last been seen on Norm's Place 20 hours 54 minutes ago.
18:37 <K-Yo> #ls -g K-Yo@x
18:37 <armabot> K-Yo: top-gun has last been seen on Norm's Place 20 hours 54 minutes ago.
18:37 <armabot> K-Yo: top-gun has last been seen on Norm's Place 20 hours 54 minutes ago.
18:37 <K-Yo> top gun?
18:37 <K-Yo> #apropos -g
18:37 <armabot> K-Yo: No appropriate commands were found.
18:37 <Monkey_arma> oO K-Yo you do a lot of smurfing or u have an imposter
18:37 <K-Yo> imposter
18:37 <K-Yo> I do smurf
18:37 <K-Yo> but not with those names
18:37 <ct|kyle> #lastseen -g K-Yo@forums
18:37 <armabot> ct|kyle: cT¤K-Yo has last been seen on Fortress Bar 3 minutes ago.
18:38 <ct|kyle> :D
18:38 <K-Yo> ct|kyle: <3
18:38 <epsy> ZOMG HERETIC
18:38 <K-Yo> #lastseen -g K-Yo@x
18:38 <armabot> K-Yo: I haven't seen anyone matching “K-Yo@x” yet, sorry.
18:38 <Monkey_arma> #aka K-Yo@forums
18:38 <armabot> Monkey_arma: I don't know anything about 'k-yo@forums'!
18:38 <K-Yo> #aka 0:K-Yo@forums
18:38 <epsy> 0:
18:38 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿10181 k-yo ct_k_yo >>wir<<arsch! asleepk >>opfa<< <<opfa>> |x|scorpion |x|blackeagle iloveu.exe omg_hi_i'm aok_/dev/null /\/\.|<.| /\/\.|< 0:K-Yo@forums o:o o_o2 ~*omega*~ 0:K-Yo@x 7fo ` ct_k-yo lumberjack $tar ~afk 0:K-Yo@ct
18:38 <K-Yo> this person imposted omega too
18:39 <K-Yo> and dev/null
18:39 <Monkey_arma> #aka Monkey
18:39 <armabot> Monkey_arma: ¿24337 monkery monkey :*() 0:Monkey@x
18:39 <K-Yo> #aka 0:Monkey@forums
18:39 <armabot> K-Yo: I don't know anything about '0:Monkey@forums'!
18:39 <K-Yo> what's ur forums account?
18:39 <Monkey_arma> that
18:39 <ct|kyle> #aka z-man
18:39 <armabot> ct|kyle: ¿10389 dob3rm4nn_(sui) manuel benchmark 31o14 /de/v bluez |+[]+|psp noob_1ooo noob_5ooo took_the_flag my_name_is_dick dev dragonball_z!!! mochte_ein_wir who_is_muschi? z-man cool_person t-virus_iii \/\/.().|\| \/\/.().|\|.|<
18:39 <Monkey_arma> hahah
18:39 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma: only used it on eddie's?
18:40 <Monkey_arma> my_name_is_dick
18:40 <Monkey_arma> hah
18:40 <K-Yo> #aka dev
18:40 <ct|kyle> z-man was on CTWF last night (from california)
18:40 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿10389 dob3rm4nn_(sui) manuel benchmark 31o14 /de/v bluez |+[]+|psp noob_1ooo noob_5ooo took_the_flag my_name_is_dick dev dragonball_z!!! mochte_ein_wir who_is_muschi? z-man cool_person t-virus_iii \/\/.().|\| \/\/.().|\|.|<
18:40 <K-Yo> #aka dev/
18:40 <armabot> K-Yo: I don't know anything about 'dev/'!
18:40 <ct|kyle> #ls z-man
18:40 <armabot> ct|kyle: Z-Man has last been seen on Under Construction 10 hours 31 minutes ago.
18:40 <K-Yo> #aka /dev/null/hack
18:40 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿24112 (__(_______(() /dev/null/ ghost_rider gho5t_rid3r /super/barby/h4 /super/barby /super/def/mast /dev/null/alien /dev/null/maste /dev/null/def /dev/null/hack 1+1=3 porsche_gt3 fiat_punto /blubbi/blubb <\/>/dev/null <v>/dev/null <v>laser <v>master /dev/null/h4c van_nelle_kill van_nl.kill i' i'm2_1337_4_u 1-1=noob? \_/ /d/n/h <v> 1+1=3?
18:40 <K-Yo> oh <V> ?
18:40 <epsy> his GID is Monkey@x
18:41 <Monkey_arma> Monkey@forums
18:41 <K-Yo> epsy: whose?
18:41 <Monkey_arma> i dont use x any more
18:41 <K-Yo> epsy: eddies' only accepts @forums
18:41 <Monkey_arma> and x is not even up
18:41 <K-Yo> true
18:41 <K-Yo> #ls wrtlpr
18:41 <K-Yo> #ls wrtlpr%
18:42 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
18:42 <K-Yo> #ls wrtl
18:42 <epsy> #ls
18:42 <armabot> epsy: (ls <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "lastseen $1".
18:42 <epsy> #ls --help
18:42 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
18:42 <K-Yo> #ls wrtlprnft
18:42 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
18:42 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:42 <epsy> damn
18:42 <K-Yo> :/
18:42 <epsy> #lastseen
18:42 <armabot> K-Yo: timed out
18:42 <armabot> epsy: Usage: #lastseen [-f] <nick> -OR- #lastseen -g <nick>@<authority>
18:42 <K-Yo> -f?
18:42 <K-Yo> #lastseen -f
18:42 <epsy> #lastseen -f wrtlprnft_|mbc|
18:43 <Liza> #lastseen -g Liza@x
18:43 <armabot> K-Yo: x-fighter has last been seen on {Delicious Desserts} Custom Map 5 hours 40 minutes ago.
18:43 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:43 <armabot> Liza: ¦×¦ Liza has last been seen on Fortress Café 15 days 23 hours 37 minutes ago.
18:43 <epsy> #lastseen -f wrtlprnft_|mbc|
18:43 <epsy> #lastseen -f wrtlprnft|mbc|
18:43 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:43 <K-Yo> armabot seems to be slow today
18:43 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:43 <epsy> #lastseen ¦×¦ liza
18:43 <armabot> epsy: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
18:43 <epsy> not armabot
18:43 <epsy> duh
18:43 <epsy> #lastseen |x| liza
18:44 <epsy> #lastseen |x|_liza
18:44 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:44 <Liza> lol
18:44 <armabot> epsy: timed out
18:44 <Liza> xD
18:44 <Liza> armabot, you suck
18:44 <epsy> #lastseen -f ¦×¦ Liza
18:44 <armabot> epsy: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
18:44 <epsy> #echo Thanks!
18:44 <armabot> Thanks!
18:44 <K-Yo> #si Fortress Bar
18:45 <armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Bar: Players (0/32):
18:45 <Liza> #si bar
18:45 <armabot> Liza: Fortress Bar: Players (0/32):
18:45 <Liza> #si s B
18:45 <armabot> Liza: Fortress Bar: Players (0/32):
18:45 <Liza> :D
18:46 <epsy> #echo ACTION says thanks!
18:46 * armabot says thanks!
18:46 <epsy> bbl going out
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19:26 <ivantis> im back!
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19:26 <ct|kyle> ivantis: no need to anounce
19:26 <ivantis> okokok
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19:27 <ivantis> who hosts master server 1? it has never replied to me
19:29 <ct|kyle> i know who 2 3 and 4 are
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19:29 <ct|kyle> oh 1 is luke-jr maybe?
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19:45 <Flex> #aka Flex
19:45 <armabot> Flex: ¿22380 |sexy|_flexy flex 0:Flex@x |x|_flex 0:flex@L_OP |x|_flew |dmx|_flex fle|x|
19:47 <MaZuffeR> #aka MaZuffeR
19:47 <armabot> MaZuffeR: ¿4519 finland? mazuffer tag|mazuffer
19:49 <guru3> http://guru3.net/temp/landgen-3d2.png
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20:16 <ivantis> #sd -v kyle
20:16 <armabot> ivantis: Kyle Shooting test (78.47.82.211:4538) running 0.2.8_alpha20080726 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “Shooting“, Players (1/12): soul
20:19 <Lizmatic> #Lizmatic
20:19 <Lizmatic> geez
20:19 <Lizmatic> they deleted my great thingy
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20:21 <Lizmatic> #aka lizmatic
20:21 <armabot> Lizmatic: ¿30082 lizmatic 0:Lizmatic@forums
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20:25 <Flex> #rating Flex
20:25 <armabot> Flex: flex is 1057th with a rating of 1563-1591 (from 1568-1586)
20:27 <ivantis> dee4
20:40 <Lizmatic> its so hot here
20:40 <Lizmatic> is it humid there too sav?
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20:44 <Flex> it was 28 yesterday, but today it's 20.. so it's not that bad
20:44 <Flex> plus my fan arrived lol :p
20:46 <Lizmatic> hehehe
20:46 <Lizmatic> lucky you
20:49 <Lizmatic> flex come ww sumo
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21:18 <mkzelda> #rating fkeaz
21:18 <armabot> mkzelda: fkeaz is 15276th with a rating of 1238-1582 (from 1239-1582)
21:18 <ivantis> #aka ivantis
21:18 <ivantis> #sd -v space-lab
21:18 <ivantis> ?
21:18 <armabot> ivantis: ¿15643 ivantis
21:18 <armabot> ivantis: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “space-lab” at the moment, sorry.
21:18 <mkzelda> #rating flea
21:18 <armabot> mkzelda: I don't know anything about 'flea'!
21:18 <ivantis> ??
21:18 <ivantis> wow
21:19 <ivantis> something happened to my internet connection
21:19 <ivantis> hmm
21:19 <ivantis> #toast
21:19 <armabot> ivantis: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “space-lab” at the moment, sorry.
21:21 <ivantis> +
21:21 <ivantis> +++_
21:21 <ivantis> +_+
21:21 <ivantis> dead
21:21 <ivantis> #toast
21:21 <armabot> ivantis: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “space-lab” at the moment, sorry.
21:21 <ivantis> grr
21:21 <ivantis> #toast
21:22 <armabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
21:22 <ivantis> all right
21:22 <ivantis> back in business
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22:31 <Pathetique> Testing?
22:31 <Pathetique> #yay armabot
22:31 <armabot> YAY armabot!
22:31 <Pathetique> yaey
22:31 <Pathetique> :D
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22:51 <Pathetique> Hmm.
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23:01 <Lizmatic> pathetiek
23:02 <Pathetique> yeis?
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23:40 <hoax> .si fort
23:40 <hoax> #si fort
23:40 <armabot> hoax: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (14/14): 3450, 808 STATE, AFc4|§|, BlindMan's Dog, Crazy Gold, Helena, jenny, KirkdaleFreak, moth, niro.bot, Sithy, Spañish.DSL.suX, vagina sniffer, ~|DS|~ Fabi
23:40 <hoax> >.<
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