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00:12 <smoothice> epsy: No luck with svn(apache) or bzr (loggerhead)... I guess I'll resort to svn+svnserve or bzr +ssh
00:13 <epsy> well, do you really need a webviewer?
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00:14 <smoothice> Not really... I guess. I just thought it would be a cool new way to access the files.
00:14 <smoothice> Well
00:14 <smoothice> Not that neither web stuff is working... Should I use bzr+ssh or svn+svnserve? What do you think?
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00:15 <epsy> well, the main problem with svn is that you are really bound to the central copy when working
00:15 <smoothice> ah
00:15 <smoothice> ok
00:16 <epsy> with bzr you can always unbind your copy from the main branch and work alone
00:16 <epsy> it's pretty well documented
00:16 <smoothice> ok
00:16 <smoothice> coo
00:16 <smoothice> l
00:17 <epsy> the only problem with bzr is just that GUI tools are rather young (and simply inexistant on windows)
00:17 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r962 have batch/make/version make use of bzr if path is versionne...
00:17 <smoothice> Yeah... I'm on mac os x
00:17 <smoothice> so
00:17 <smoothice> :/
00:18 <smoothice> I'm going to build BazaarX
00:18 <epsy> well, you could use bzr-gtk
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00:18 <epsy> anyway I rarely have to use a GUI for bzr
00:20 <epsy> right, good night
00:20 <smoothice> ok
00:21 <epsy> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html & http://bazaar-vcs.org/
00:22 <smoothice> Oooh
00:22 <smoothice> thanks
00:23 <epsy> (they will explain the concept of a DVCS in the beginning; note that svn is NOT a DVCS)
00:24 <smoothice> Oh... central vs. distributed
00:25 <smoothice> So subversion doesn't have branches?
00:26 <epsy> it does, but it's still always cenralized on the central repo
00:26 <smoothice> So you cannot have revision lists for each branch then
00:26 <smoothice> with svn
00:26 <epsy> no, that's another thing I hate with svn
00:27 <smoothice> Ok
00:27 <smoothice> I'm hooked on bzr now
00:27 <smoothice> lol
00:27 <smoothice> You got me
00:27 <epsy> with bzr each branch owns it's history
00:27 <epsy> while in svn they share it
00:28 <epsy> (ie if you commit to module A, module B's revision count will be increased as well, even if there is no change)
00:28 <smoothice> Yeah
00:28 <smoothice> So SF consistently used svn... and now we've moved to Launchpad which uses bzr?
00:29 <epsy> there's even a section about serving it on the web
00:29 <epsy> yeah
00:29 <epsy> we're moving, more precisely
00:30 <smoothice> sweet
00:31 <luke-jr> teabot: who did that? -.-
00:31 <epsy> smoothice, and actually, SF used to use CVS
00:31 <smoothice> which is even worse?
00:31 <epsy> luke-jr, what's wrong with it?
00:31 <luke-jr> smoothice: the main repository is still Subversion
00:31 <epsy> smoothice, hell yeah
00:32 <smoothice> lol
00:32 <luke-jr> bzr is mainly just for reasons epsy stated
00:32 <luke-jr> epsy: bzr has nothing to do with 0.2.8 versions
00:32 <epsy> well, I start to like the distributed stuff
00:32 <epsy> luke-jr, well, it is only triggered when path is versionned usin g bzr
00:32 <PinkTomato> do you manually merge bzr and svn then? or is svn completely different to bzr version?
00:32 <luke-jr> epsy: it shouldn't be triggered ever
00:33 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: they're automerged
00:33 <epsy> PinkTomato, there's a bot to do so
00:33 <luke-jr> hopefully per-changeset
00:33 <PinkTomato> Oh right, that's neat :)
00:34 <epsy> PinkTomato, not really
00:34 <smoothice> A bot syncs launchpad to sf?
00:34 <dlh> and sf to launchpad
00:35 <epsy> yeah, it is run by z-man
00:35 <luke-jr> one problem is bzr's revision numbers are pretty much arbitrary-- they could be entirely different things for different branches
00:35 <epsy> not anything from lp
00:35 <epsy> well, they are on different branches anyway
00:35 <luke-jr> epsy: your change is bad/broken, sorry
00:35 <luke-jr> 0.2.8 alphas are dated
00:36 <luke-jr> 0.3+ alphas use Subversion revs
00:36 <epsy> well, it wasn't working at all on bzr branches until now
00:36 <luke-jr> there are reasons for all this ☺
00:37 <luke-jr> epsy: dates weren't?
00:37 <epsy> if I remember correctly, they weren't
00:37 <luke-jr> I don't see how they can not work.
00:38 <epsy> I just remember having them far outdated
00:38 <luke-jr> so fix that then
00:38 <epsy> @sd -v ¦×¦
00:38 <teabot> epsy: ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server (armagetron.at:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20081212 unix dedicated, url: http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/, Description: “Nothing but team sumo.“, Players (0/16):
00:38 <luke-jr> on the other hand, dates are far more useful than meaningless bzr revs
00:38 <epsy> hasardeous..lol
00:39 <luke-jr> so plz revert that commit
00:39 <epsy> it's  the opposite, IMO
00:39 <luke-jr> a date has meaning
00:39 <luke-jr> a bzr rev does not
00:39 <epsy> it's the build date
00:40 <epsy> which pretty much really means nothing
00:40 <luke-jr> which is usually accurate
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00:40 <luke-jr> why would you build an old alpha?
00:40 <epsy> people do
00:40 <epsy> and it confuses everyone
00:40 <luke-jr> well when people do, they should set DATE correctly
00:41 <epsy> which is the job of batch/make/version
00:41 <luke-jr> so have it find the checkout date from bzr
00:42 <epsy> compared to revno, this doesnt make much sense
00:42 <luke-jr> revno has no meanign for bzr
00:42 <smoothice> epsy: you said you had to go?
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00:42 <epsy> smoothice, yeah
00:42 <epsy> luke-jr, revno + branch has
00:42 <smoothice> epsy: you're still here lol
00:42 <luke-jr> epsy: please revert the break in 0.2.8's stable version system
00:42 <epsy> luke-jr, who here doesn't understand 0.2.8 r950
00:43 <luke-jr> epsy: 0.2.8 did not exist in canonical r950
00:43 <epsy> ...
00:44 <PinkTomato> have both?
00:44 <epsy> PinkTomato, there's both when tree is modified
00:45 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: the main point is that 0.2.8's versioning was fixed years ago
00:45 <luke-jr> there's a reason it's date and not Svn rev
00:45 <epsy> thread?
00:47 <luke-jr> thread⁇
00:47 <epsy> whatever this decision was decided at
00:48 <luke-jr> ugh, I don't remember, that was years ago -.-
00:48 <luke-jr> r950 was pre-0.2.7 FWIW
00:48 <epsy> well yeah, and it wouldnt put r950 on it because it's not bzr-versionned
00:51 <luke-jr> epsy: probably in here: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3465
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00:55 <epsy> ok, I see what kind of problems that poses
00:55 <epsy> what about .3 ?
00:57 <smoothice> denct2009
00:58 <smoothice> haha
00:58 <smoothice> my vnc pass
00:58 <smoothice> time to change that!
00:58 <smoothice> lol
00:58 <luke-jr> epsy: trunk is already setup to use svn revisions
00:58 <luke-jr> obviously that will break with bzr-- not sure how to fix it
00:58 <epsy> what form?
00:59 <luke-jr> alpha<revnum> IIRC
00:59 <luke-jr> "On that matter, should we maybe consider switching alphas from *_alphaYYYYMMDD to *_alphaREV? That solves the problem of wanting an immediate (not start-of-day) alpha. "
00:59 <epsy> even if revision is tagged or tree is modified?
00:59 <luke-jr> z-man -- "I don't want to make this into a long-winding discussion here, that can wait for after the transition, but we should consider replacing the current date tag of alpha builds with the SVN revision number. Two problems solved at once: our alpha version strings get shorter, and we know from the version number exactly which sources went into it."
01:00 <luke-jr> epsy: I believe so.
01:00 <luke-jr> z-man -- "Of course, 0.2.8_alphas still need to be date tagged, or they'll be considered earlier than already released ones. Not a big problem, there won't be too many of them."
01:00 <epsy> so..
01:00 <luke-jr> epsy: not sure how to get Svn rev info into Bzr checkotus
01:01 <luke-jr> bzr revs are, again, not useful, as bzr is just a means of access, not the main tree
01:01 <epsy> unmodified: ${major_version}_alpha${revno}
01:01 <epsy> modified: ${major_version}_alpha${revno}_${dateofbuild}
01:01 <epsy> unmodified+tagged:  ${major_version}_alpha${revno}_${tag}
01:02 <epsy> sounds fair?
01:02 <luke-jr> tag replaces the entire alpha thing
01:02 <epsy> luke-jr, well, have it change right when we change $major_version, so we don't have problems
01:02 <epsy> well, a tag can be anything
01:03 <luke-jr> I think you mean branch?
01:03 <luke-jr> there will only ever be a single rev for a tag
01:03 <epsy> yes, but it keeps order sane
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01:03 <epsy> which is what we want
01:03 <luke-jr> …
01:04 <luke-jr> the entire purpose of a tag is to replace the alpha label IMO
01:04 <luke-jr> also, these are changes to the current system that probably need proper discussion etc
01:04 <epsy> just naming a specific revision, IMO
01:04 <luke-jr> my concern right now is with fixing the *existing* versioning system
01:05 <luke-jr> and I don't see a way to do it, since 'revno' is unavailable in bzr checkouts
01:06 <luke-jr> oh
01:06 <luke-jr> duh
01:06 <luke-jr> the bot can sync revno over
01:06 <luke-jr> does bzr have metadata of some sort?
01:06 <epsy> yes, of course
01:08 <luke-jr> hm
01:08 <luke-jr> epsy: also, the whole branch/tag thing is irrelevant because each revision generally exists only in a single branch/tag
01:09 <epsy> not on bzr
01:09 <luke-jr> bzr is just a means of access
01:09 <luke-jr> revno is subversion
01:09 <epsy> what about branches that just aren't on subversion?
01:10 <luke-jr> the solution to that is to put them in subversion
01:10 <epsy> haha
01:10 <luke-jr> epsy: you are aware that Subversion contains the full history of the entire Armagetron project?
01:11  * luke-jr put a lot of work into ensuring that migration went smoothly and such
01:11 <epsy> why is it missing on our bzr branches?
01:12 <luke-jr> ?
01:13 <epsy> revision 1 on the 0.2.8 branch is a mere copy of what was on svn at that time
01:13 <luke-jr> epsy: I don't know, I wasn't involved in that.
01:13 <luke-jr> that's part of the problem with bzr :þ
01:14 <epsy> hm, we'll have to either drop it or re-import it
01:14 <luke-jr> huh, some website seems to suggest bzr can work directly with Subversion repos O.o
01:14 <epsy> yes, it's just that it's slow
01:15 <epsy> it's the bzr-svn plugin
01:16 <epsy> bzr is designed to work with different branch formats
01:16 <epsy> bzr-svn just adds one of these formats
01:17 <luke-jr> ]later tell z-man is it possible to get the bot syncing Svn rev to a bzr metadata so bzr checkouts can set alpha numbers?
01:17 <luke-jr> epsy: don't forget to revert that 0.2.8 thing btw
01:17 <epsy> did
01:18 <epsy> well, just made it so it could never be triggered
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01:19 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r963 reverted to old behaviour for now and added TODO...
01:22 <luke-jr> epsy: might note that 'using branch nicks for major_version' was addressed in the Subversion migration as well
01:22 <luke-jr> and z-man decided to use a file :þ
01:22 <luke-jr> can always change that file in a branch
01:22 <epsy> yeah but that's not pretty straaightforward
01:23 <epsy> whenever we get sane branch nicks on lp, that could be considered
01:23 <Sinister1> hey when u two arent busy do u think you can help me figure out how to put logs from my server on my site?  like a live log feed that only my clan members can view, i cant seem to get the logs to show
01:23 <epsy> omg, armabots are still fighting in #commits
01:24 <smoothice> Sinister1
01:24 <smoothice> When you run dedicated
01:24 <smoothice> pass a --vardir value
01:25 <smoothice> Which will save logs, ladder, and status in that directory
01:25 <luke-jr> epsy: we've always had sane branch names on Subversion, and it was considered :þ
01:25 <epsy> well, branches were something to avoid on svn, wasn't it?
01:25 <luke-jr> smoothice: that's irrelevant
01:25 <smoothice> really?
01:25 <luke-jr> Sinister1: no simple way to do it, really
01:25 <luke-jr> smoothice: symlinks do the same just as well
01:26 <luke-jr> epsy: no
01:26 <Sinister1> i cant even find my log files though...
01:26 <Sinister1> is there something i need to set up before log files show?
01:26 <luke-jr> epsy: branches are cheap on svn
01:26 <luke-jr> Sinister1: there are no log files
01:26 <luke-jr> Sinister1: it's on standard output
01:28 <Sinister1> how would i go about getting them to display?
01:29 <luke-jr> …
01:29 <luke-jr> Sinister1: I'm sure you can find an AJAX thing on Google
01:29 <luke-jr> otherwise, I'd be glad to write one for $25
01:30 <smoothice> >.<
01:30 <smoothice> $25?
01:30 <Sinister1> lol luke likes money xD
01:31 <smoothice> XD
01:32 <Sinister1> nvm, i found someone that will do it for free :) stop being a cheap bastard luke!
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01:32 <epsy> wrtlprnft, ping ping ping there are 2 armabots
01:32 <luke-jr> epsy: I think we've been pinging him for days now
01:32 <epsy> he's not at work anymore, at least
01:32 <luke-jr> smoothice: gotta make a livign
01:32 <smoothice> luke-jr: yeah.. just kidding with ya :P
01:33 <epsy> anyway, good night, a lot of stuff to do tomorrow
01:33 <luke-jr> and seriously, I'm sure it's been done 100 times before
01:33 <luke-jr> he just needs to Google a little
01:33 <epsy> perhaps i'll even start with this carpet stuff
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01:37 <epsy> ohnoes
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01:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: What platform does your armagetron servers run on?
01:44 <luke-jr> smoothice: Debian
01:44 <smoothice> Does it have a GUI?
01:44 <luke-jr> no
01:44 <smoothice> And do you host more than one armagetron instance on each server?
01:44 <luke-jr> of course
01:44 <smoothice> how many?
01:44 <luke-jr> otherwise my prices would be closer to $80-$100 :þ
01:45 <luke-jr> smoothice: depends on slots etc
01:45 <smoothice> oh
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01:45 <smoothice> ok
01:47 <luke-jr> smoothice: generally, my servers never see under 90% idle
01:47 <luke-jr> right now, my busiest one is floating around 95% idle
01:48 <luke-jr> Connecticut is floating ~95% idle
01:48 <luke-jr> Texas is mostly 100% idle right now
01:48 <luke-jr> London is also mostly 100% dile
01:48 <luke-jr> idle*
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01:58 <smoothice> So you have four servers
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02:12 <luke-jr> smoothice: 3 for Arma
02:12 <smoothice> luke-jr: ok
02:13 <luke-jr> Connecticut being most popular, since it's got nice pings to all Europe and US
02:13 <luke-jr> s/all/both
02:18 <smoothice> luke-jr: users get to pick their desired server for your hosting?
02:19 <luke-jr> smoothice: yes
02:19 <smoothice> Oooh
02:19 <smoothice> nice
02:19 <luke-jr> though I ask a general "ideal location"
02:20 <luke-jr> so when I expand, I can try to pick a location that seems desirable
02:22 <smoothice> luke-jr: oh... do you rent servers out?
02:23 <luke-jr> smoothice: ?
02:23 <smoothice> luke-jr: oops I mean't do you rent the servers you use
02:23 <luke-jr> yeah
02:23 <luke-jr> really the only practical way to do small-scale hosting
02:24 <luke-jr> especially with diverse geographies
02:24 <smoothice> oh I see
02:24 <luke-jr> I certainly can't operate my own datacenters just for Arma ;)
02:24 <smoothice> haha
02:24 <smoothice> yeah
02:24 <luke-jr> and on the hardware end, stuff would be obsolete before it paid for itself
02:25 <luke-jr> and I'd need to replace bad parts myself if I owned it
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02:27 <smoothice> luke-jr: My server is simply a PowerBook G4 on a residential Internet connection. Tops your stuff for sure :P!
02:27 <smoothice> lol
02:28 <luke-jr> XD
02:44 <smoothice> luke-jr: what popular servers are hosted on your servers?
02:46 <luke-jr> Adventures of TRON seems popular, based on bandwidth
03:16 <ct|kyle> .flag
03:16 <tronner> Adventures of TRON >>> Flag Fortress <<<: Players (0/10):
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03:47 <sinewav> Adventures of TRON rocks. And so does the hosting.
03:48 <luke-jr> XD
03:48 <sinewav> oh wait, he left.
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05:33 <Lucifer> luke-jr: iirc, we didn't worry so much with bzr because svn is still the "official" repository
05:34 <Lucifer> bzr is the way everybody should be accessing the code and working, but svn is the history book, essentially
05:34 <Lucifer> z-man put a lot of work into making sure it would work that way before we switched ;)
05:48 <smoothice> Lucifer: SVN is still official?
05:48 <Lucifer> er, I guess it depends on what you mean by official
05:48 <Lucifer> basically, you should use bzr
05:48 <Lucifer> that's all that matters
05:48 <smoothice> ok
05:48 <Lucifer> svn use is internal now
05:48 <smoothice> alright
05:48 <smoothice> I was just wondering what you mean't by "official"
05:49 <Lucifer> it still holds all the history
05:49 <Lucifer> releases will probably still be made from it
05:49 <smoothice> So the svn repo wont ever be completely destroyed will it?
05:49 <smoothice> Since it's the history book
05:51 <hang3r> cvs, svn, git, bzr, hg... Stick to one and use it throughout the entire life of the project
05:52 <Lucifer> heh
05:52 <smoothice> lol
05:52 <Lucifer> the svn repo won't be completely destroyed for a completely independent reason: it's hosted by sourceforge and will survive as long as sourceforge does
05:52 <Lucifer> we don't like having to depend on sourceforge, and there have been some irritating outages
05:52 <Lucifer> bzr frees us from that in regular work
05:53 <hang3r> I know all about sourceforges problems, but didn't luke host an SVN repository for you?
05:53 <smoothice> but bzr is hosted by launchpad which is also susceptible to outages
05:54 <smoothice> was sf worse than average in terms of outages?
05:54 <Lucifer> yes and no, bzr is a fundamentally different program than svn
05:55 <smoothice> But how does that effect outages
05:56 <Lucifer> with bzr, there's lots of things we can do that we previously couldn't do at all with svn, some of them make us somewhat bulletproof as far as outages go
05:56 <Lucifer> first, let's say I want to work on the sound engine, and I know I'm going to do a lot of work all over the project
05:56 <Lucifer> I create a branch, I push it to launchpad so others can help if they want, even if only to help test
05:56 <Lucifer> over time, I make regular commits, those are stored locally
05:57 <Lucifer> every now and then, I push to launchpad when things are stable (I often commit just so I have a place to fall back to if I break too much)
05:57 <Lucifer> when I'm done with the sound engine, I push it back to the mainline
05:57 <Lucifer> if it takes me 2 years to finish the work (heh), during that time I can pull *from* the mainline to get updates from other developers
05:57 <Lucifer> now, consider the outage scenario
05:57 <Lucifer> mainline is no longer accessible, what do we do?
05:58 <Lucifer> with luck, someone has the most recent copy of the mainline
05:58 <Lucifer> they push it to our own private ssh server
05:58 <Lucifer> now we still get the collaborative benefits during the outage
05:58 <smoothice> ohhhh
05:58 <smoothice> I see now
05:58 <Lucifer> failing that, we can each still work separately on our own stuff, because we can continue to commit locally
05:58 <Lucifer> whenever we finally push, the changes will be ordered appropriately
05:59 <Lucifer> so for short-term outages, no big deal, we just keep at it on our own
05:59 <Lucifer> but for long-term outages (we had one in the middle of 0.2.8.0 release, iirc, when we were still married to sourceforge), we can create a temporary branch to enable collaborating
05:59 <Lucifer> so we don't depend on launchpad nearly as much as we previously depended on sourceforge
06:00 <smoothice> oh
06:00 <smoothice> I see
06:00 <smoothice> So
06:00 <Lucifer> similarly, when sourceforge does have its occasional outage, our bzr-svn sync bot will just push the changes when sourceforge comes back online
06:00 <Lucifer> but there are other benefits
06:00 <smoothice> It's based on bzr's powerful branch stuff...
06:00 <Lucifer> let's say *you* want to do something to the program
06:00 <Lucifer> fine, create a branch
06:00 <Lucifer> PLEASE create your own branch
06:01 <smoothice> Me?
06:01 <smoothice> now?
06:01 <Lucifer> put it up on launchpad yourself, associate it with us so other people can see what you do
06:01 <smoothice> Really?
06:01 <Lucifer> no, I mean, saying you want to do your own coding, like to add CTF or something :)
06:01 <smoothice> lol
06:01 <Lucifer> if we really *really* like what you do, we can pull it into the mainline ourselves
06:01 <Lucifer> you can pull from the mainline (or any branch) and get updates to your branch, etc.
06:01 <smoothice> ooh
06:01 <smoothice> cool
06:02 <smoothice> about coding myself
06:02 <smoothice> I do want to... but I'm afraid y'all think I'm too novice to code anything good :D
06:02 <Lucifer> it really makes merging other people's work into th eproject, and has the potential to blur the line between "official" and "unofficial" developer
06:02 <smoothice> I do have C/C++ experience though
06:02 <Lucifer> er, insert "easier" after the first "project" in my last sentence
06:03 <smoothice> So I actually can create a branch for myself?
06:03 <Lucifer> yep
06:03 <smoothice> Would you allow it?
06:03 <Lucifer> and if you have a user on launchpad, you can have launchpad host it
06:03 <Lucifer> we can't stop you :)
06:03 <smoothice> you cannot?
06:03 <Lucifer> (not that we would, we would prefer people to create branches)
06:03 <Lucifer> no, we can't, and we wouldn't anyway
06:03 <smoothice> But I'm not in "Armagetron Advanced Dedicated"
06:03 <smoothice> no
06:03 <smoothice> I mean;t
06:03 <Lucifer> we *want* people to do stuff with the code
06:03 <smoothice> Armagetron Advanced Developers :P
06:03 <smoothice> ok
06:03 <Lucifer> you can't make it a branch that official releases are built from, but that's it
06:04 <smoothice> ok
06:04 <smoothice> thanks for letting me know
06:04 <smoothice> I was wondering
06:04 <Lucifer> it helps to understand what launchpad's purpose in life is :)
06:04 <smoothice> How does armagetron versioning work?
06:04 <smoothice> 0.3.0 is released but not on armagetronad.net?
06:04 <smoothice> Unstable/Stable?
06:04 <smoothice> ????
06:05 <Lucifer> launchpad exists to help ubuntu track upstream repositories, manage their own bugfixes for literally thousands of projects, and let them do their own work on the released software
06:05 <Lucifer> ubuntu always tries to push changes upstream to the projects to which they apply, but every project has a different release cycle
06:05 <Lucifer> assuming that every bugfix ubuntu developers make gets accepted, there's still no guarantee they'll be accepted in time for Ubuntu's next release
06:06 <Lucifer> so it gives ubuntu itself some degree of control over what goes in the distribution they release
06:06 <smoothice> ok
06:06 <Lucifer> if you place yourself in ubuntu's role wrt armagetron advanced, you start to see why launchpad exists in the first place
06:07 <Lucifer> you can track your own bugs and still associate them the project somehow, or you can at least create your own bugtracker and we can hook up to it (I think), if we think there's value for us to do that
06:07 <Lucifer> (we generally don't want people running a million bugtrackers, we prefer people to report bugs to us directly)
06:07 <smoothice> If I made my own armagetron branch would I be required to update it every so often
06:07 <smoothice> or would it not matter
06:07 <Lucifer> but there's always someone in every community who hates what the core developers are doing and wants to fork
06:08 <Lucifer> launchpad makes it easier for them to do it, and for us to pull their improvements, and them to pull our improvements, and basically it's the ultimate forking peacemaker
06:08 <Lucifer> so, anyway...
06:08 <Lucifer> we can't tell you what to do with your branch
06:08 <smoothice> oh
06:08 <Lucifer> any more than you can tell us what to do with ours :)
06:08 <smoothice> Yeah
06:08 <Lucifer> 0.3.x is unstable
06:08 <Lucifer> 0.2.8 is stable
06:09 <Lucifer> between 0.2.x and 0.3.x we switched versioning schemes, so the next stable verison will either be 0.4.0 or 1.0.0
06:09 <smoothice> ok
06:09 <smoothice> and
06:09 <smoothice>  epsy said that armagetronad was not accept any more features
06:09 <Lucifer> because of that switch, the stable branch is 0.2.8.x, which has an extra digit
06:09 <smoothice> accepting*
06:09 <Lucifer> 0.2.8.x will not accept any more features
06:09 <smoothice> what about 0.3.1?
06:09 <Lucifer> if you want to work off the mainline, please do, and code whatever features you want :)
06:10 <Lucifer> 0.3.1 will come out of the mainline
06:10 <smoothice> Are we allowed to suggest features?
06:10 <smoothice> And or provide code for them
06:10 <Lucifer> I'm hoping to spend a few days with the sound engine, I think that's all that we're really waiting for
06:10 <Lucifer> of course you are
06:10 <Lucifer> you're just not allowed to insult us if we don't like the idea :)
06:10 <smoothice> What's the likelihood of them getting accepting into mainline?
06:10 <luke-jr> smoothice: basically, 0.3 can take as many features as people want to finish
06:10 <Lucifer> much higher if you create your own branch
06:10 <smoothice> ok
06:10 <Lucifer> and maintain your changes over changing mainline
06:11 <smoothice> by updating the branch?
06:11 <Lucifer> and generally be cool and help us deal with it, and try to fit it into our overall vision
06:11 <Lucifer> yeah, by updating the branch :)
06:11 <Lucifer> well, take that to the forums
06:11 <smoothice> Cool
06:11 <smoothice> Well
06:11 <luke-jr> Lucifer: does bzr actually make merging in both directions sane?
06:11 <Lucifer> I don't actually know what the situation is there, you might be able to get away without updating the branch
06:11 <smoothice> I'll be creating a branch for myself then
06:11 <Lucifer> luke-jr: afaik, yes
06:11 <luke-jr> nice
06:11 <smoothice> Although
06:12 <smoothice> I prefer to work with some fun Sty stuff... that probably wouldn't be accepted into mainline
06:12 <Lucifer> smoothice: you are strongly advised to use the blueprint area of launchpad for your work as well
06:12 <luke-jr> Lucifer: speaking about all this… what would you think of importing some branches into Svn so we get their history as well?
06:12 <luke-jr> eg, sty, hoop etc
06:12 <Lucifer> sty won't be accepted into mainline, but not because we don't like sty
06:12 <Lucifer> quite the contrary, we love sty
06:12 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I'm the guy who tried to get sty accepted into 0.2.8.3, you should already know my opinion :)
06:12 <luke-jr> oh, I forgot that
06:12 <smoothice> So what If I wanted to put up some code for sty stuff.. and non-sty stuff...
06:13 <smoothice> Two branches?
06:13 <Lucifer> smoothice: the reason we didn't accept it into mainline is because the zone architecture changed dramatically
06:13 <Lucifer> smoothice: the reason it's not accepted into 0.2.8 is because it's just plain not stable enough
06:13 <smoothice> So what If I wanted to put up some code for sty stuff.. and non-sty stuff...
06:13 <Lucifer> yeah, two branches, and you have to decide if you want to work that hard on it
06:13 <smoothice> but
06:13 <Lucifer> however, we really want the sty stuff to work with zones v2
06:13 <smoothice> Wouldn't that clutter the project page causing someone to get mad at me? :/
06:14 <Lucifer> if you're willing to extend zones v2 to make sty finally work in it, then move on to your own stuff.....
06:14 <Lucifer> smoothice: we can't stop you, really, we can't
06:14 <Lucifer> our "official" branches are always listed first, that's the best we can do
06:14 <smoothice> Lucifer: ok... just trying not to get on someone's bad side
06:14 <smoothice> lol
06:14 <Lucifer> launchpad is intended to aggregate many different teams' work ont he same codebase, please take advantage of that :)
06:14 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I've been thinking sty+hoop could become a decent 0.2.9, but afraid to suggest it out of fear it will be shot down just because I'm the one suggesting it <.<
06:15 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I would support it, but I feel very confident saying that z-man will nix the idea
06:15 <Lucifer> and I won't argue with him about it, he's the de facto 0.2.8 release manager, after all ;)
06:15 <smoothice> luke-jr: That'd be an awesome 0.2.9 :D
06:15 <Lucifer> the effort to combine sty+hoop into zones v2 is a much better spent effort, imo
06:15 <luke-jr> the only big problem I can see with doing that would be the implication that we'll support the modifications in future releases
06:15 <Lucifer> maybe if that were to appear in 0.3.1, we could convince z-man to support sty+hoop directly in 0.2.8
06:15 <luke-jr> which conflicts with zones v2 as you note
06:16 <Lucifer> indeed, the fact that zones v2 doesn't have it is the biggest reason it can't go into 0.2.8
06:16 <luke-jr> wouldn't a zones v2 implementation work inherently different from sty+hoop's design?
06:16 <Lucifer> please, someone remove that reason and make zones v2 support sty+hoop :)
06:16 <hang3r> What features does sty and hoop provide over the regular branch, is it all server side game play changes or is it client based "stuff" as well?
06:16 <Lucifer> first off, zones v2 is finished, afaik
06:16 <Lucifer> needs testing, though
06:17 <Lucifer> secondly, as you say, zones v2 will not support sty+hoop, but zones v3 might :)
06:17 <Lucifer> if someone does it
06:17 <Lucifer> phillippeqc is not only mia, I don't think he's coming back this time
06:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I thought zones v2 was flexible enough that you could do anything like sty+hoop zone featuers
06:18 <Lucifer> but sty+hoop design is the problem.  we need the feature added to zones v3 as a design feature
06:18 <luke-jr> hang3r: mainly zone enhancements, but other stuff too
06:18 <Lucifer> no, zones v2 is a big rewrite to generalize a lot of concepts
06:18 <hang3r> luke-jr: any client side improvements?
06:18 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you mean the only thing missing is the ability to parse sty/hoop maps?
06:18 <smoothice> Lucifer: Branch registered
06:18 <luke-jr> hang3r: I don't think so.
06:19 <Lucifer> but it doesn't generalize enough, parts will need to be revised to allow for moving zones, players creating zones, etc.
06:19 <luke-jr> smoothice: did you seriously just create a branch with no plan to do something? XD
06:19 <smoothice> Nope
06:19 <Lucifer> that's all stuff that isn't there, and might have hidden dependencies we haven't talked about
06:19 <smoothice> I've got plenty of plans
06:19 <luke-jr> sweet
06:19 <smoothice> Don't worry
06:19 <smoothice> :D
06:19 <smoothice> Lucifer: It'll take time though
06:19 <Lucifer> heh, you're talking to the guy who promised a new sound engine 2 years ago
06:20 <Lucifer> when I originally started designing it, I was intending to support SDL, SDL_mixer, and OpenAL backends, because OpenAL support was sketchy
06:20 <Lucifer> now I'm only going to support OpenAL because it's gotten much better :)
06:20 <Lucifer> as soon as I remember the design I had in mind....
06:21 <hang3r> Lucifer, If I had of known that I may have been able to help, I'm very familiar with OpenAL
06:22 <Lucifer> hang3r: you talk like you can't help now
06:22 <Lucifer> I could really use some help with someone writing the openal backend, where I can stay focused on the interface to it
06:22 <Lucifer> it's the interface that makes all the difference, imo
06:22 <hang3r> Lucifer, all my attempts at projects die a sad death, and the reason mainly is work takes most of my time
06:22 <Lucifer> but it's got dependencies on additions to the resource system that I've started and stopped half a dozen times since then
06:23 <Lucifer> hang3r: that's no problem, really.  :)
06:23 <Lucifer> if what you leave me with at least shows me around the OpenAL api, you'll have done a great service for us all
06:28 <hang3r> Well without getting into any code, OpenAL is very similar to OpenGL if you are familiar with it. It's a perfect state machine and the similarities between the two are amazing and they almost go hand in hand together. It's also very simple to learn, you have sound sources and sound listeners and that's pretty much all you'll ever need to know
06:29 <smoothice> Lucifer: I just branched 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty into my home folder
06:29 <smoothice> Do I rename the folder and then push to do the initial commit
06:30 <smoothice> ???
06:31 <hang3r> beyond actual code at least
06:32 <luke-jr> smoothice: uh, you should be branching trunk ;)
06:32 <smoothice> crud
06:32 <smoothice> I just pushed sty
06:33 <smoothice> to my brnach
06:33 <smoothice> because
06:33 <smoothice> this branch is sty+smoothice
06:34 <luke-jr> sigh
06:34 <luke-jr> oh well
06:34 <smoothice> ?????
06:35 <smoothice> I'm confused
06:35 <luke-jr> smoothice: branches of 0.2.8 are dead ends, for the moment
06:35 <smoothice> But this is a sty+smooth branch
06:36 <smoothice> curd
06:36 <smoothice> curd
06:36 <smoothice> crud
06:36 <smoothice> I think I screwed up
06:36 <smoothice> big time
06:36 <smoothice> ok
06:36 <smoothice> I'm deleting this branch
06:37 <smoothice> I screwed up in a major way
06:38 <smoothice> luke-jr: Ok I'm back the very beginning
06:38 <smoothice> luke-jr: Branch from trunk? Why not sty? This is sty+smooth enhancements branch
06:39 <luke-jr> smoothice: because none of that will ever get back to mainline
06:39 <luke-jr> at least now how things currently are
06:39 <smoothice> luke-jr: So I have to apply sty path to trunk and then make branch from that?
06:39 <smoothice> patch*
06:40 <luke-jr> you cannot apply sty patch to trunk
06:41 <smoothice> So then how do I make a branch that contains my modifications to sty
06:41 <luke-jr> branch trunk and port sty to it ☺
06:41 <smoothice> Oh
06:41 <smoothice> >.<
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06:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: what should my branch be called
06:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: trunk+smoothice?
06:43 <luke-jr> smoothice: I name my branches by what their purpose is
06:43 <luke-jr> so 'xmpp' is my XMPP auth branch
06:43 <smoothice> so
06:43 <smoothice> I could call it
06:43 <smoothice> smoothicemods
06:43 <smoothice> ?
06:43 <luke-jr> :þ
06:43  * smoothice Yes? No
06:43 <luke-jr> that tells me nothing about the changes
06:43 <smoothice> but
06:43 <smoothice> it's going to be a whole bunch of random changes
06:43 <smoothice> and stuff
06:43 <smoothice> small things and medium things
06:43 <luke-jr> do them one at a time, in separate branches ;p
06:44 <luke-jr> when each is done, merge it to mainline
06:44 <smoothice> I cannot merge to mainline
06:44 <smoothice> I'm not a developer...?
06:45 <luke-jr> ok, so make an almost-mainline branch ☺
06:45 <luke-jr> call that 'smoothice'
06:45 <smoothice> ok
06:45 <luke-jr> then branch off that, and merge back to it
06:45 <smoothice> whoa
06:46 <smoothice> ok.....
06:46 <smoothice> So
06:46 <smoothice> to branch from trunk
06:46 <smoothice> I type that command into my console
06:46 <smoothice> and it downloads
06:46 <smoothice> then
06:46 <smoothice> What do I do to push to my branch? Do I have to rename the folder or something?
06:46 <luke-jr> fwiw, I don't know how to use bzr
06:47 <smoothice> ok
06:50 <Lucifer> you have to have a place to put it
06:50 <smoothice> What do you mean
06:50 <Lucifer> if you put it on launchpad, you have to have a user on launchpad
06:50 <smoothice> I do
06:50 <Lucifer> you'll store it in your user's home directory
06:50 <smoothice> I have a branch created
06:50 <smoothice> I just ran bzr branch lp:armagetronad
06:50 <Lucifer> so, launchpad docs should tell you how to push to it
06:50 <Lucifer> I forget how, to be honest, and have to look it up whenever I do it :)
06:51 <Lucifer> once you've done it once, it's fairly straightforward, because bzr stores the last place you pushed, and "bzr push" is enough
06:51 <Lucifer> when it's time to get your stuff into mainline, some one of us will do a pull from your branch to get it
06:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer: btw, I think Launchpad said I still needed approval on the project
06:52 <smoothice> when branch the trunk to my computer
06:52 <smoothice> I get Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)
06:52 <Lucifer> I haven't seen that particular message
06:52 <smoothice> WEird
06:53 <Lucifer> dave@fiona:~/Projects/dsac$ bzr --version
06:53 <Lucifer> Bazaar (bzr) 1.3.1
06:53 <smoothice> Bazaar (bzr) 1.5
06:53 <smoothice> :/
06:53 <smoothice> Oh well I'll figure this out tomorrow.. I have to go sleep.
06:54 <smoothice> 'nite
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08:14 <Lucifer> er, that was just pathetic
08:25 <luke-jr> ?
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10:19 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: a few rounds of ctf
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> the other team wouldn't setup a def, they all insisted on attacking our flag
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> so we ran 3 people at a time after their flag
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12:05 <akira_arma> ctf..
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12:27 <Lizmatic> o/
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14:04 <K-Yo> :)
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14:47 <PinkTomat1> .ubuntu
14:47 <tronner> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
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15:38 <animuson> any1 tell me why this wont work? http://pastebin.com/m38e538c
15:45 <PinkTomat1> It's not creating the version correctly, m4_define ends in segmentation fault...
15:45 <PinkTomat1> (I think)
15:48 <hang3r> http://www.scifimoviepage.com/upcoming/previews/tron2.html
15:48 <hang3r> :O
15:49 <hang3r> Armagetr2nad!
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16:21 <smoothice> animuson: still having trouble with the seg. fault issue?
16:21 <animuson> no
16:21 <animuson> tomato had be switch to ubuntu
16:21 <animuson> everything works great now :P
16:22 <smoothice> You were compiling in Windows?
16:22 <animuson> no my vps
16:22 <animuson> was centos
16:22 <animuson> i switched it to ubuntu
16:22 <smoothice> Did yo u have to contact your host to do that?
16:22 <smoothice> you*
16:22 <animuson> no
16:23 <animuson> theres a handy Rebuild button i didnt know about XD
16:23 <animuson> just select which os u want and itll build for you
16:23 <animuson> :P
16:23 <smoothice> xD
16:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: you there?
16:25 <PinkTomat1> smoothice: do you know what causes it?
16:25 <smoothice> PinkTomat1: The seg. fault?
16:25 <PinkTomat1> yes, I did a quick fix, i can't remember the actual fix your supposed to do.
16:25 <smoothice> What was your quick fix?
16:25 <animuson> changing the version in bootstrap manually lol
16:26 <smoothice> Yeah that's definitely not the actual fix lol
16:26 <PinkTomat1> thought not :D
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16:26 <smoothice> Since I'm on Mac OS X I always just delete Xcode's temp. version build files and it fixes stuff like that.
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16:27 <smoothice> PinkTomato:  Since I'm on Mac OS X I always just delete Xcode's temp. version build files and it fixes stuff like that.
16:27 <PinkTomato> ah right
16:28 <smoothice> So right now I'm working on my own arma branch....
16:28 <smoothice> And
16:28 <smoothice> I'm confused whether or not I should remove the previous revision history from the new branch
16:28 <smoothice> the folder called .bzr
16:28 <smoothice> If I should delete it or not
16:29 <PinkTomato> no sure
16:29 <PinkTomato> not sure*
16:30 <PinkTomato> oh, probably be best to commit first a base revision with no changes
16:30 <PinkTomato> and then another with yours
16:30 <smoothice> Yeah
16:30 <PinkTomato> i think
16:30 <smoothice> so
16:30 <smoothice> I'm trying to commit base
16:30 <smoothice> but
16:30 <smoothice> In the project folder on my computer
16:30 <smoothice> There's a folder called .bzr
16:30 <smoothice> And I don't know whether or not I should delete it or not
16:31 <PinkTomato> I'm not to sure, not a bzr expert :(
16:32 <smoothice> Yeah, most don't seem to be :/
16:33 <smoothice> .seen epsy
16:33 <tronner> smoothice: epsy was last seen in #armagetron 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <epsy> ohnoes
16:33 <smoothice> PinkTomato: Well I better try to find out then right :/
16:34 <PinkTomato> yeah smoothice sorry I can't help :)
16:34 <smoothice> yeah lol
16:41 <epsy> no you should not
16:42 <smoothice> I haven't done anything as of now
16:42 <smoothice> but
16:42 <smoothice> I'd not to do the initial commit now
16:42 <smoothice> Don't delete .bzr?
16:42 <epsy> no
16:42 <epsy> dont
16:42 <animuson> how do i install the GNU screen thing?
16:42 <animuson> apt-get screen doesnt do anything :P
16:42 <smoothice> epsy: Should I cd into the directory and do the bzr push to my branch?
16:42 <epsy> if you do, bzr won't know where this branch comes from, and it wont remember what to merge when you will need to merge
16:43 <smoothice> animuson: sudo works for you?
16:43 <epsy> what did you do until now?
16:43 <animuson> now it does :P
16:43 <epsy> isn't it apt-get install screen?
16:43 <smoothice> epsy: I typed this into terminal bzr branch lp:armagetronad
16:43 <smoothice> epsy: yeah
16:43 <smoothice> animuson: apt-get install screen
16:43 <animuson> thx :P
16:43 <epsy> ok, so you got a branch based from trunk
16:43 <smoothice> epsy: yes
16:43 <animuson> the armagetron wiki says "apt get screen"
16:43 <epsy> ok
16:43 <animuson> very unhelpful
16:43 <epsy> what dod you want to do now?
16:44 <smoothice> epsy: Commit the initial revision
16:44 <epsy> you want the branch to be on launchpad?
16:44 <smoothice> epsy: it is on launchpad... it's registered
16:44 <epsy> but not pushed to?
16:44 <smoothice> epsy: I discussed it all with Lucifer yesterday
16:44 <smoothice> epsy: yes
16:45 <epsy> then push to it :)
16:45 <smoothice> So CD into that trunk branch directory and run bzr push lp:~smoothice/armagetronad/smoothice
16:45 <smoothice> ?
16:45 <epsy> yeah
16:45 <smoothice> ok
16:45 <smoothice> I'll _try_ that :D
16:46 <epsy> it will remember the path, so next time you will just have to type bzr push
16:46 <smoothice> ok
16:46 <smoothice> bzr: ERROR: Target directory lp:~smoothice/armagetronad/smoothice already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
16:47 <smoothice> epsy: ???
16:47 <epsy> that's pretty much what you have to do
16:47 <smoothice> --use-existing-dir?
16:47 <epsy> :)
16:47 <smoothice> ok
16:48 <smoothice> epsy: What about a commit message?
16:48 <epsy> you're pushing revisions
16:48 <smoothice> Commit ≠ Push?
16:48 <epsy> that's uploading the revisions that are new on your computer
16:49 <epsy> creating a revision is a commit
16:49 <smoothice> ok
16:50 <epsy> note that using distributed workflow, you don't use bzr the same way as you would use svn
16:51 <epsy> if you want, for a start, use centralized workflow, bzr can do that(see the manual for bzr bind)
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16:51 <smoothice> ok
16:52 <epsy> using decentralized workflow, such as right now, your process of publishing a change would be:
16:52 <epsy> 1/ make your changes
16:53 <epsy> 2/ commit (locally) your changes
16:53 <epsy> 3/ merge from mainline if needed
16:53 <epsy> 4/ push
16:53 <smoothice> And if was central it'd be?
16:53 <epsy> 1/ make your changes
16:53 <epsy> 2/ update from central (and resolve conflicts)
16:54 <smoothice> Wiat look: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoothice/armagetronad/smoothice
16:54 <epsy> 3/ commit
16:54 <smoothice> It's showing all the trunk revisions
16:54 <epsy> yup
16:54 <smoothice> It's supposed to do that?
16:54 <epsy> yes
16:54 <smoothice> But it's a new branch???
16:54 <epsy> it's a branch from a tree of branches
16:55 <epsy> for now, it hasn't diverged from trunk
16:55 <smoothice> Yep
16:55 <smoothice> Until I work on it
16:55 <epsy> so it is the same as trunk
16:55 <smoothice> I have plans :D
16:55 <epsy> then once you start working on it, or once someone else writes on trunk, it will diverge
16:55 <smoothice> Yep
16:56 <epsy> imagine it as a train station or a tree or whatever
16:56 <smoothice> So when I commit all the trunk changes will disappear? or no.. they'll stya
16:56 <epsy> they will stay
16:56 <smoothice> ok
16:57 <epsy> do you have GUI tools installed for bzr?
16:57 <smoothice> Nope
16:57 <epsy> ok, give me a second
16:58 <smoothice> k
16:59 <epsy> ah well, I'll have to merge some stuff around to clearly explain you
16:59 <smoothice> ???
16:59 <smoothice> lol
16:59 <smoothice> Merge stuff around?
17:00 <epsy> merge from mainline on the ("my") eevent branch
17:00 <smoothice> oh ok
17:05 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/smoothice1.png
17:05 <epsy> so, that's how it looks after merging from mainline
17:06 <epsy> (that's with the bzr visualise command from bzr-gtk)
17:06 <epsy> you can clearly see where the branches diverged
17:06 <smoothice> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:06 <smoothice> What gui tool is that?
17:06 <epsy> you could put the blue dots in parallel to my grey ones, it's just that _here_ they have been applied later
17:07 <epsy> [16:05] <epsy>: (that's with the bzr visualise command from bzr-gtk)
17:07 <epsy> (and you really need to understand the _here_ part)
17:07 <smoothice> ok
17:07 <smoothice> Can bzr-gtk be used on osx?
17:08 <epsy> and guess what will happen that nice day when I merge eevent into trunk? the blue dots will disappear :)
17:08 <epsy> providen you have X11, gtk and gtk python bindings, yes
17:08 <smoothice> Yeah I have X11
17:08 <epsy> http://www.google.com/search?q=bzr-gtk osx
17:09 <epsy> http://www.google.com/search?q=bzr-gtk%20osx
17:09 <epsy> seems to work thru macports, they say
17:10 <epsy> http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr-gtk
17:10 <smoothice> Yeah I don't have MacPorts or FInk installed at the moment
17:10 <smoothice> I don't know which one to get
17:11  * epsy isn't the guy to ask
17:11 <smoothice> ok
17:18 <epsy> anyway, I'l soon going on vacation to ireland
17:19 <smoothice> epsy: So I want to apply that killalplayers patch I posted on the forums. Let me get this straight.. As of right now, I make the change. Then I do bzr commit to commit locally. then I do bzr push to push commits to launchpad?
17:19 <smoothice> epsy: ok
17:19 <epsy> should you have any question about bzr ask Lucifer_arma, dlh or the #bzr guys
17:19 <epsy> yep
17:19 <smoothice> ok
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17:23 <Lizmatic> epsy: I just silenced people for using spanish.. mwuahaha (and yes I warned them)
17:23 <Lizmatic> :D
17:23 <epsy> did you refer to the guidelines?
17:25 <Ady-Lucifer> Lizmatic, clap, clap, clap...clap.
17:25 <smoothice> epsy: My First Ever Commit has been pushed! w00t!
17:25 <Ady-Lucifer> You silence people because your brain isnt able to learn a new language and understand what they said?
17:26 <epsy> :)
17:26 <epsy> Ady-Lucifer, yes she does
17:26 <smoothice> epsy: thanks for helping
17:26 <epsy> it's the guidelines, end of the discussion
17:27 <smoothice> epsy: Now if I wanted to compile should I duplicate the directory to another place so I don't create any extra files?
17:27 <epsy> most of the extra files are ignored
17:27 <epsy> see bzr help ignore and bzr help ignored
17:28 <smoothice> ok
17:28 <smoothice> should I risk it?
17:28 <smoothice> or duplicate just because
17:28 <smoothice> ok whatever :D
17:28 <epsy> there is no problem wuth that
17:28 <smoothice> ok
17:29 <epsy> you have to explicitely add files with bzr
17:29 <smoothice> right....
17:29 <epsy> see bzr help add
17:29 <epsy> or just the manual
17:30 <smoothice> ok
17:30 <smoothice> Thx
17:32 <Lizmatic> Ady-Lucifer: yes, indeed.. with a pretty warning beforehand, problem?
17:36 <animuson> it wont let me join my server
17:36 <animuson> it says Upgrade needed
17:36 <animuson> :-/
17:36 <smoothice> animuson: CLient and server versions?
17:36 <smoothice> animuson: What are they?
17:36 <epsy> also, paste logs on pastebin
17:36 <animuson> server doesnt list a version for some reason
17:36 <animuson> :-/
17:36 <animuson> it just says Version:  unix dedicated
17:37 <epsy> ah
17:37 <epsy> revsion/branch?
17:37 <animuson> ask tomato hes the one that manually changed the bootstrap :P
17:37 <animuson> he broked it
17:37 <epsy> revsion/branch?
17:37 <animuson> 0.2.8
17:38 <smoothice> revision #?
17:38 <animuson> i dunno
17:38 <epsy> bzr revno
17:38 <smoothice> epsy: I don't think he has bazaar installed
17:38 <animuson> i do
17:38 <smoothice> ok
17:38 <epsy> is it a release?
17:38 <animuson> i switched to ubuntu remember?
17:39 <animuson> how do i get back out of the gnu screen mode?
17:39 <smoothice> press the q key
17:39 <epsy> please, hurry, it *may* be my fault, and I don't have much time
17:39 <animuson> that didnt do anything
17:40 <smoothice> cd into the project directory
17:40 <animuson> im in the server view
17:40 <animuson> typing stuff wont do anything
17:40 <animuson> theres gotta be a leave command or something
17:40 <epsy> what are you trying to do?
17:40 <smoothice> Escape, Q, Control-C
17:40 <epsy> what are you trying to do?
17:40 <epsy> what are you trying to do?
17:40 <epsy> what are you trying to do?
17:41 <smoothice> Get out of GNU Screen
17:41 <animuson> i went into the server view using the screen -r
17:41 <epsy> detach the screen?
17:41 <animuson> ctrl-c worked btw
17:41 <epsy> if you did ctrl-c, you stopped whatever was *in* the screen session
17:42 <animuson> [screen is terminating]
17:42 <smoothice> ok
17:42 <Ady-Lucifer> Lizmatic, its not my problem , its just you giving a bad image :)
17:42 <animuson> root@server:/etc/arma/scripts# bzr revno
17:42 <animuson> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/etc/arma/scripts/".
17:42 <Lizmatic> Oh no? Really!!! OMG!!!11!
17:43 <Lizmatic> xD
17:43 <smoothice> animuson: Cd into the code directory
17:43 <smoothice> animuson: not /etc/arma/scripts
17:43 <animuson> which directory?
17:43 <smoothice> the directory that contains bootstrap
17:43 <PinkTomato> ah epsy, probably my fault
17:43 <smoothice> and all that
17:44 <epsy> PinkTomato, what did you do?
17:44 <PinkTomato> we tried ./bootstrap.sh
17:44 <PinkTomato> it failed: http://pastebin.com/m38e538c
17:44 <PinkTomato> I forced a way by changing line to echo alpha2008etc
17:45 <epsy> where at?
17:45 <epsy> you could check with bzr diff if path is versionned
17:45 <animuson> root@server:~/0.2.8# bzr revno
17:45 <animuson> 963
17:45 <PinkTomato> line 7 bootstrap.sh
17:45 <PinkTomato>     echo "m4_define(AUTOMATIC_VERSION,[0.2.8_alpha20081227])" > version || exit 1
17:46 <smoothice> echo "m4_define(AUTOMATIC_VERSION,["`sh batch/make/version $MYDIR`"])" > version || exit 1
17:46 <PinkTomato> the orginal line caused a segmentation fault, and stopped the whole bootstrap.sh
17:46 <epsy> right right right
17:46 <epsy> strange
17:47 <epsy> it doesnt do that here
17:47 <PinkTomato> I think animuson ubuntu is wierd
17:47 <PinkTomato> not fully installed
17:47 <animuson> :P
17:47 <PinkTomato> when animuson first logged in, it displayed just bashver:
17:48 <PinkTomato> as a prompt rather than the path
17:48 <animuson> thats because the lxadmin reverted it back to centos
17:48 <animuson> i had to rebuild it with ubuntu again
17:48 <PinkTomato> did it?
17:48 <PinkTomato> oh
17:48 <PinkTomato> reverted?
17:48 <PinkTomato> you did lose all yr files each time?
17:48 <animuson> the lxadmin build they have is specifically designed for centos
17:49 <animuson> yea
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17:50 <epsy> PinkTomato, can you paste what happened for a segv ?
17:51 <PinkTomato> ?
17:54 <PinkTomato> animuson: what is the settings you are loading?
17:54 <PinkTomato> I could connect to the server before
17:54 <animuson> i was copying the ones that came up on Racing II XD
17:54 <animuson> lol
17:54 <animuson> its not running now
17:54 <animuson> the ctrl-c killed it :P
17:54 <PinkTomato> some of the settings in racing II cause errors
17:54 <PinkTomato> and later in the file are reverted
17:54 <epsy> can you show it segfaulting?
17:55 <PinkTomato> epsy: the ./bootstrap.sh?
17:55 <epsy> yeah
17:55 <PinkTomato> this: http://pastebin.com/m38e538c?
17:56 <epsy> ok, if you run m4 alone ?
17:57 <epsy> woops
17:58 <epsy> I mean if you run aclocal
17:58 <animuson> nothing :P
17:58 <animuson> this one doesnt require the ctrl-c to stop though
18:00 <animuson> shows up three times?
18:00 <animuson> o.O
18:01 <epsy> so there is no segfault??
18:01 <animuson> no
18:01 <epsy> erm, aren't you using the modified code
18:02 <animuson> yea
18:03 <epsy> yeah, that will sure get in the way of debugging the segv
18:07 <epsy> dude, in one hour I'm gone..
18:07 <animuson> ...
18:07 <BabyBug> our prays have been answered \o/
18:08 <animuson> lol
18:09 <BabyBug> nah, epsy knows i love him really <3
18:11 <epsy> animuson, can you run aclocal on an unmodified copy?
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18:17 <animuson> heres the aclocal of original: http://pastebin.com/m7d9f6178
18:19 <epsy> ok, try aclocal --verbose --dry-run
18:19 <animuson> http://pastebin.com/m66bdc864
18:19 <epsy> there's a line starting with "aclocal: running" near the end
18:20 <animuson> yea
18:20 <epsy> run that command
18:20 <animuson> thats a long command
18:20 <animuson> how do u paste in this console?
18:20 <epsy> select and click middle?
18:22 <animuson> http://pastebin.com/m188bb32d
18:23 <epsy> are updates available for your system?
18:24 <animuson> for the vps?
18:24 <epsy> what's at line 11 of configure.ac ?
18:24 <animuson> i dunno
18:24 <epsy> yes
18:24 <epsy> well, check
18:25 <animuson> AC_INIT(Armagetronad,AUTOMATIC_VERSION)
18:25 <epsy> I'd guess it's an outdated set of autotools, are any upgraddes available for them? if yes do install them
18:26 <animuson> we just installed the autotools today
18:26 <epsy> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:26 <animuson> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
18:27 <PinkTomato> that's odd
18:27 <PinkTomato> we didn't run apt-get update
18:27 <PinkTomato> I forgot.
18:27 <epsy> you really, really, really should
18:27 <animuson> i did before that :P
18:28 <animuson> http://pastebin.com/m40cfbdee
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18:30 <animuson> awkward silence >_> <_<
18:31 <PinkTomato> .ubuntu
18:31 <tronner> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
18:31 <animuson> lol
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18:43 <animuson> lol it wont let me change MAP_FILE
18:43 <animuson> itit keeps automatically changing back to Anonymous/polygon/regular/square-1.0.1.aamap.xml :-/
18:44 <epsy> check logs
18:46 <animuson> [0] Downloading http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/animuson/racing/What_the_HECKsagon-1.0.1.aamap.xml ...
18:46 <animuson> how do i change that location?
18:46 <animuson> :-/
18:46 <epsy> @aawikis map
18:46 <epsy> BOO TEABOT
18:47 <epsy> oh, it's dead even before I go on holiday
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18:48 <epsy> @aawikis map
18:49 <epsy> if teabot dies, it's dead, it won't pop up until I'm back..or not
18:49 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Map_Making - Map Making - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
18:49 <epsy> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Playing_Maps#Choosing_a_Map_Download_URI
18:50 <animuson> i have to setup my control panel on ym server first
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18:50 <animuson> anyone know how to install webmin? XD
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18:52 <BabyBug> sudo apt-get install webmin
18:52 <BabyBug> (i have no idea if that's right)
18:52 <animuson> lol
18:53 <ivantis2> webmin?
18:53 <animuson> its a web admin panel
18:53 <animuson> like cpanel
18:53 <animuson> except free
18:54 <ivantis2> for administering what?
18:54 <epsy> your mum
18:54 <animuson> web hosting
18:54 <animuson> type stuff
18:54 <ivantis2> o
18:55 <animuson> and getting your vps to actually show something online instead of a Page Load Error
18:55 <animuson> XD
18:55 <animuson> lol
18:55 <ivantis2> cöõl
18:58 <luke-jr> O.o
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19:01 <animuson> can u extract something from your computer to the vps using the PuTTY console?
19:03 <epsy> you need to upload what you want to extract first
19:03 <animuson> my upload connection on this comp sucks :P
19:03 <animuson> lol
19:03 <epsy> well, where did you download it from?
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19:04 <epsy> wget can retrieve files
19:04 <luke-jr> WinSCP :þ
19:04 <epsy> type wget URL and you're done
19:04 <ivantis2> qweèéêërtyýÿuùúûüiìíîïoøœõòóôöpaàáâäæãås§ßdfghjklzxcçvbnñm
19:04 <animuson> never mind
19:04 <animuson> i uploaded from url
19:04 <epsy> (and ou still need to extract it then)
19:04 <epsy> ivantis2, can you spam on another channel?
19:05 <ivantis2> no
19:05 <epsy> need op
19:05 <ivantis2> look at #android! i got a quote of mine in the topic
19:05 <epsy> go spam your crap at #android
19:09 <animuson> sweet i can choose which port to run it on
19:10 <animuson> ima put it on port 666
19:10 <animuson> lol
19:10 <animuson> XD
19:10 <ivantis2> dude 666 is taken
19:10 <ivantis2> &port 666
19:10 <ivantis2> ...
19:10 <ivantis2> well, that bot isnt here
19:10 <epsy> (hopefully)
19:10 <ivantis2> but its taken
19:11 <animuson> :(
19:11 <animuson> now i gotta find a cool port number
19:11 <epsy> well, it's taken by doom
19:12 <epsy> do you run a doom gameing server?
19:12 <animuson> no
19:12 <epsy> so you don't have to care about this shit
19:12 <epsy> just use it if it sounds cool
19:12 <ivantis2> and please, shouldnt you use one above 5000?
19:13 <animuson> why?
19:13 <animuson> directadmin uses 2222
19:13 <epsy> animuson, /ignore ivantis*@* ALL will always work
19:14 <ivantis2> i would use 3141
19:14 <BabyBug> <ivantis2> and please, shouldnt you use one above 5000? ----> <ivantis2> i would use 3141
19:14 <ivantis2> wait, what is the default port of arma server? i have forgotten?????
19:14 <BabyBug> =.=
19:15 <ivantis2> maybe 500
19:15 <ivantis2> #sd -v space-lab
19:16 <ivantis2> @sd -v space-lab
19:16 <teabot> ivantis2: SPACE-LAB Shooting! (armaserver.space-lab.us:4537) running 0.2.8_alpha20080903 unix dedicated, url: http://arma.ivantis.net, Description: “Some Lag, some Bugs, some Idiots.“, Players (0/8):
19:16 <ivantis2> 4534, right
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19:19 <mib_rczvlb> may someone please help for me?
19:20 <epsy> well, happy new year, guys and gals
19:20 <epsy> bb
19:20 <mib_rczvlb> hm?
19:21 -!- epsy [n=epsy@unaffiliated/epsy] has quit ["uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ sǝop ǝuo ʍoɥ ƃuıɹǝpuoʍ ǝq ʎɐɯ noʎ.. it's pretty simple: JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!"]
19:22 <mib_rczvlb> how rude, ignore me
19:24 <luke-jr> animuson: Arma won't work too well on 666
19:25 <animuson> i wasnt putting arma on 666
19:26 <animuson> i was gonna put webmin on 666
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19:26 <luke-jr> o
19:27 <StickyNo1b> wont you need to run as admin to get ports bellow 1024?
19:27 <animuson> i installed it on port 7777
19:27 <animuson> which lxadmin usually uses
19:27 <animuson> :P
19:29 <luke-jr> StickyNo1b: IIRC, webmin requires root anyhow
19:29 <luke-jr> animuson: 7777 is the MOO default port
19:30 <ivantis2> 7777? i believe that is taken as well
19:30 <animuson> who cares >_>
19:30 <animuson> lxadmin uses 7777
19:31 <animuson> and since im not using laxadmin, ill use it for webmin :P
19:31 <luke-jr> MOO uses 7777 too!
19:31 <BabyBug> luke-jr, you are a MOO
19:31 <luke-jr> oooooooooooo
19:31  * luke-jr lightbulb
19:32 <luke-jr> what if, for hosting, I meter the bandwidth, and split the expenses based on usage?
19:32 <ivantis2> MÖÖ
19:33 <luke-jr> so everyone's account gets charged the same fixed amount at the start of the month (expenses / number of active accounts) and if they use less, it gets refunded etc
19:34 <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: hey, trunk's music is quite loud :x
19:35 <BabyBug> there's music in the trunk?
19:36 <BabyBug> and luke-jr i don't understand that bandwidth idea =\
19:36 <luke-jr> BabyBug: there's been music in trunk for years
19:37 <BabyBug> music never plays on my end =(
19:37 <luke-jr> BabyBug: basically, instead of trying to calculate a fixed bandwidth fee, just split up expenses
19:37 <luke-jr> there's segfaults in trunk too -.-
19:37 <BabyBug> split up the expenses between everyone you host like?
19:38 <luke-jr> yeah
19:38 <BabyBug> yes there are segfaults!
19:38 <luke-jr> segfaults that make it unusable
19:38 <BabyBug> bug 246159 is a very annoying segfault! :@
19:38 <teabot> Launchpad bug 246159 in armagetronad "Server browser rendering errors followed by segmentation fault." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246159
19:38 <ivantis2> bug 1
19:38 <ivantis2> bug 1?
19:38 <ivantis2> laime
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19:38 <teabot> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
19:39 <BabyBug> what an ass
19:39 <BabyBug> i don't think he realises just how much of a load, loading that page puts on LP xD
19:41 <luke-jr> BabyBug: that's exactly the bug I mean
19:42 <luke-jr> hrm
19:42 <luke-jr> trunk's camera is annoying
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19:44 <BabyBug> luke-jr, i'd love you eternally if you fixed that bug <3
19:44 <luke-jr> looks like a FTGL bug
19:44 <BabyBug> lies
19:44 <luke-jr> also one that will be irrelevant when wrtlprnft merges his UTF-8 branch
19:45 <BabyBug> umm..
19:45 <BabyBug> what branch is that?
19:45 <luke-jr> …
19:45 <BabyBug> fine! i'll find it
19:45 <BabyBug> zeesh
19:46 <BabyBug> wait no i wont..it's not in the list of branches =(
19:47 <luke-jr> yes it is
19:47 <luke-jr> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/
19:48 <BabyBug> oh svn...
19:48 <BabyBug> why do you use svn and bzr :S
19:49 <luke-jr> we went over that yesterday
19:49 <BabyBug> well just give me the one line answer..i wasnt here =P
19:50 <luke-jr> svn is the history/repository and bzr is the access method
19:50 <BabyBug> oh ok
19:50 <luke-jr> this branch happens to be svn-only because it predates bzr use
19:50 <BabyBug> i thought you were going to try and be clever and just link the logs ^^
19:50 <luke-jr> too lazy
19:52 <BabyBug> hrmm..i just remembered
19:52 <BabyBug> The last time i heard you spoke you said "BabyBug is a girl?" !!! Do i talk like a man? ><
19:53 <luke-jr> BabyBug: maybe
19:53 <luke-jr> but the fact is
19:53 <luke-jr> girls don't use the internet
19:53  * BabyBug face palms luke-jr 
19:53 <luke-jr> XD
19:57 <luke-jr> girls certainly don't know anything about code either!
19:57 <luke-jr> >.>
19:57 <BabyBug> You sexist pig =P
19:58 <luke-jr> oink
19:58 <luke-jr> you specieist … human!
19:58 <BabyBug> Would you of rather i called you a sexist nob jockey? :o
19:58 <luke-jr> wtf is that
19:59 <BabyBug> LOL..jockey's ride horses...So that'd mean you ride nobs..It's an insult for calling someone gay =P
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20:01 <luke-jr> wtf is a nob
20:01 <BabyBug> a dick? penis...what ever you call it over there =P
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20:01 <luke-jr> ………….
20:02  * luke-jr stabs BabyBug
20:02 <BabyBug> Why stab me? I never called you it, i asked if you'd of rather been called it =)
20:04 <BabyBug> and don't even think of calling me homophobic because i'm bisexual =P
20:05 <luke-jr> …
20:06 <luke-jr> homos are no better than pedos
20:06 <BabyBug> well you're just a cunt then
20:07 <luke-jr> u
20:08 <Lizmatic> pedos are better than homos
20:08 <luke-jr> …….
20:08 <luke-jr> need players in #Anime for TWG
20:08 <Lizmatic> pedobear to the rescue!
20:08 <StickyNo1b> Lizmatic: speaking from experiance?
20:09 <Lizmatic> i'm a pedo yeah.. BabyBug is younger than me
20:09 <luke-jr> come play
20:09 <Lizmatic> NO FU
20:09 <BabyBug> i'm not that much younger!!
20:09 <luke-jr> Lizmatic: u can be pedobear maybe
20:09 <StickyNo1b> BabyBug: tbf since bisexuals are not homosexuals you could still be homophobic
20:10 <BabyBug> no StickyNo1b....
20:10 <luke-jr> #Anime's TWG has a pedobear role
20:10 <StickyNo1b> BabyBug: no??
20:10 <luke-jr> he spies once per day, and looks like a worm/werewolf/yandere
20:10 <luke-jr> but wins with teh civis
20:10 <luke-jr> -ImoutoBot- Pedobear scares lolis (he looks like a yandere), but he's on the good side, because that's where the most lolis are. Every day, he can spy on anyone he wants by typing "/msg ImoutoBot !spy <user>".
20:11 <Lizmatic> i'm homophobic as well
20:11  * Lizmatic tauns BabyBug
20:11 <Lizmatic> taunts*
20:12 <BabyBug> StickyNo1b, homophobic is fear or discrimination against homosexuality. Homosexuality refers to the attraction to the same sex. So bisexuals can't be homophobic.
20:12 <BabyBug> shh Lizmatic i know you want me =P
20:13  * Lizmatic is as straight as this line: ------_-----
20:13 <Lizmatic> woops
20:13 <BabyBug> =D
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20:22 <luke-jr> meh
20:23 <luke-jr> trunk has volume controls, but they're reset when the music clip changes -.-
20:23 <luke-jr> and the lowest volume before silence is the ideal
20:23 <luke-jr> BabyBug: workaround: don't use a RC version
20:23 <luke-jr> of FTGL
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20:24 <BabyBug> luke-jr, it's packaged in ubuntu, and an earlier version of FTGL doesn't compile with the version of GCC that ubuntu has either.
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20:39 <luke-jr> BabyBug: lies
20:39 <BabyBug> luke-jr, not lies =P
20:39 <luke-jr> yes
20:39 <luke-jr> lies
20:39 <BabyBug> and the trunk doesn't compile for me atm anyway
20:40 <luke-jr> ok, fine not lies
20:40 <luke-jr> get the patch Gentoo uses
20:42 <BabyBug> ?
20:42 <luke-jr> Gentoo has a GCC 4.1 patch
20:43 <BabyBug> i have gcc 4.3..I'm not downgrading just for a silly game =P
20:43 <BabyBug> FTGL only has the compile problem with GCC 4.3 anyway...
20:44 <BabyBug> older versions of FTGL*
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20:50 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-build-work] r152 depend on FTGL <=2.1.2 || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r727 font.ttf is gone
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20:52 <BabyBug> ok luke-jr now the trunk compiles =P
20:52 <luke-jr> :þ
20:55  * sinewav has junk in da trunk
20:57 <BabyBug> And a load of junk is all it'll ever be sinewav =P
20:57 <luke-jr> trunk gives me crappy fps ☹
20:57 <sinewav> ;)
20:57 <luke-jr> WHY
20:58 <BabyBug> same here luke-jr =P
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21:01  * Lizmatic doesnt even know what trunk is
21:01  * Lizmatic knows that trunkS is a character from dragonballz \o/
21:03 <luke-jr> ………
21:03 <luke-jr> http://lh5.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SVVNIU8ygkI/AAAAAAAACfY/-KFHbd9k9Ho/tta.jpg
21:04 <MrBougo> ?
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21:44 <TaZ> -_-
22:01 <Lucifer_arma> .ping
22:01 <tronner> pong
22:04 <luke-jr> *ping
22:05  * BabyBug cuddles Lucifer_arma 
22:06 <TaZ> Wow, I heard somebody from X banned 5 people from their server, just b/c they spoke Spanish
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22:08 <luke-jr> ROFL
22:09 <Lizmatic> today I silenced 5 people because they spoke spanish
22:09 <Lizmatic> HELL YEAH
22:10 <TaZ> heh..cute
22:10 <Lizmatic> puuqui got all emotional on me..
22:10 <Lizmatic> "ive never been silenced in mah tron life"
22:15 <TaZ> you have problems :)
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22:17 <Lizmatic> K-Yo o/
22:21 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, \o/
22:21  * BabyBug kicks K-Yo away..shhhh..she's busy starring at my boobs =x
22:21 <Lizmatic> LOL.
22:22 <MrBougo> <TaZ> Wow, I heard somebody from X banned 5 people from their server, just b/c they spoke Spanish
22:22 <MrBougo> happened to me a while ago
22:22 <TaZ> I'm sorry
22:22 <MrBougo> because i DIDN'T speak spanish
22:23 <MrBougo> more than a year ago :p
22:23 <TaZ> Some people just don't know how to handle power.
22:23 <BabyBug> TaZ, you're not allowed to speak spanish in the server...
22:23 <BabyBug> <epsy> it's the guidelines, end of the discussion
22:24 <TaZ> lalala
22:24 <BabyBug> ahhhh yes, that means i win! =D
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22:24  * TaZ spews hate on Babybug
22:24 <TaZ> :P
22:25 <TaZ> Hey smoothy
22:25  * Lizmatic loves BabyBug
22:25 <BabyBug> <3 Lizmatic
22:25 <smoothice> hey TaZ
22:25 <Lizmatic> Don't be spewing hate on mah babe
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22:26 <smoothice> .si -v smooth
22:26 <tronner> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “smooth” at the moment, sorry.
22:27 <TaZ> I really don't spew hate on nobody
22:27 <smoothice> haha
22:27 <TaZ> Except you, Lizmatic
22:27 <TaZ> And Lucifer for blessing me with this term
22:27  * BabyBug stabs TaZ in both eyes
22:28  * Lizmatic chuckles
22:28 <TaZ> Gnomes can't reach my eyes
22:28 <TaZ> :P
22:28 <Lizmatic> geez, Flex told everyone to call babybug a gnome or something
22:28 <Lizmatic> what a nerrrrrd.
22:29 <BabyBug> lmao
22:30 <BabyBug> although i did chuckle when you called me a smurf after seeing that pic xD
22:30 <Lizmatic> =xxx
22:30 <smoothice> Hey guys how do you register an IRC nickname?
22:30 <luke-jr> …
22:30 <luke-jr> /msg chanserv help
22:30 <BabyBug> nickserv*
22:30 <Lizmatic> haha
22:31 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, btw, this language thing is really annoying... in xtss
22:31 <Lizmatic> oh I only do it to spanish people mostly
22:31 <Lizmatic> :x
22:31 <K-Yo> :P
22:31  * Lizmatic laughs evilly
22:31 <K-Yo> so, the 4rth most spoken language on armagetron :P
22:32 <TaZ> luke-jr: I thought you were busy?
22:32 <Lizmatic> and #1 most annoying language on the planet
22:32 <luke-jr> TaZ: duh?
22:32 <TaZ> luke-jr: pssh
22:34 <Lizmatic> K-Yo: I dont know why its hard to speak english OR use /msg
22:34 <luke-jr> cuz English is a crappy language
22:34 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, well, I see you speak your native language on CTOS from time to time...
22:34 <Lizmatic> aside from that, everyone understands it :P
22:35 <Lizmatic> its allowed in CTOS
22:35 <Lizmatic> xD
22:35 <luke-jr> Lizmatic: not true
22:35 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, yes, and to disallow it on x team sumo server is a mistake imo :/
22:35 <Lizmatic> anyone who doesnt understand english SHOULD LEAVE THE INTERNET!
22:35 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, -.- that's not funny at all
22:35 <Lizmatic> I was serious..
22:35 <Lizmatic> but I'm pretty radical
22:35 <TaZ> luke-jr: http://gizmodo.com/5118269/iphone-to-run-windows-and-get-copy-and-paste-its-not-what-you-think
22:36 <Lizmatic> maybe it is a mistake but people that talk spanish nonstop annoy me, I'm not the only one
22:37 <TaZ> It's called using the silence button
22:37 <TaZ> Not silencing all the players
22:37 <Lizmatic> hey TaZ, grownups are speaking ok? thanks
22:37 <TaZ> Lizmatic: Wow, could have fooled me
22:37 <TaZ> What are you..14?
22:37 <Lizmatic> its not a hard task to fool you
22:37 <Lizmatic> yes, yes I am 14
22:38 <TaZ> I thought so
22:38 <TaZ> :)
22:38 <Lizmatic> see, you're not hard to fool
22:38  * Lizmatic giggles
22:38 <TaZ> I'm good at guessing ages
22:38 <TaZ> lul
22:38 <Lizmatic> wasn't it you who said 'KICK HER' when I came into vcl server?
22:38 <Lizmatic> who can't handle power?! :O
22:38 <TaZ> I could have
22:39 <K-Yo> well, Lizmatic if you are serious by saying "anyone who doesnt understand english SHOULD LEAVE THE INTERNET!" I guess we're done here
22:39 <Lizmatic> internet, serious business..
22:39 <K-Yo> I can't understand you
22:39 <Lizmatic> really, take everything on here 110% serious
22:39 <TaZ> Wow, you're stupidity has really shown Lizmatic
22:40 <TaZ> btw, did I kick you from our server..exactly.  There is a difference
22:40 <Lizmatic> Zzz..
22:41 <TaZ> :)
22:41 <Lizmatic> anyway, I don't know what epsy wants to do with the rule, he's mainly in charge of the server me thinks
22:42 <TaZ> Lizmatic: you're what they call a "newfag"
22:42 <TaZ> Go ahead and google it
22:43 <Lizmatic> Ummmmm.... no.
22:43 <K-Yo> .g newfag
22:43 <tronner> K-Yo: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Newfag - Urban Dictionary: Newfag
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22:45 <Lizmatic> taz, you're just a fag
22:45 <Lizmatic> .g fag
22:45 <tronner> Lizmatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fag - Fag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:45 <Lizmatic> there ya go. :)
22:48 <K-Yo> .servtest http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/
22:48 <tronner> K-Yo: (servtest <host> <port>) -- Returns whether the <host> is accepting connections on <port>.
22:48 <K-Yo> .servtest http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/ 22
22:48 <tronner> K-Yo: Server at http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/:22 is not up ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
22:48 <K-Yo> .servtest http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/ 80
22:48 <tronner> K-Yo: Server at http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/:80 is not up ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
22:48 <TaZ> Better than being a "newfag" that trolls the internet and uses the same phrases over and over such as: faceplam.jpg INTERNET = SERIOUS BUSINESS
22:48 <K-Yo> .servtest http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx 80
22:48 <tronner> K-Yo: Server at http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx:80 is not up ((-2, 'Name or service not known'))
22:48 <K-Yo> .servtest wrtlprnft.ath.cx 80
22:48 <tronner> K-Yo: Server at wrtlprnft.ath.cx:80 is up.
22:49 <TaZ> Only a racist idiot silences people because they are speaking Spanish
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22:49 <TaZ> And this quote right here, "anyone who doesnt understand english SHOULD LEAVE THE INTERNET!".
22:50  * Lizmatic yawns
22:50  * Lizmatic is a huge racist
22:50 <TaZ> Maybe you're just an idiot
22:50 <Lizmatic> wow, an "idiot".. got any more of those original insults?
22:51 <TaZ> I got tons, but I'm a nice person
22:51 <BabyBug> TaZ, why are you complaining about the person who only enforces the rules, and not the one who makes the rules?
22:51 <TaZ> :)
22:51 <TaZ> BabyBug: You act like she doesn't want to ban people for speaking Spanish
22:52 <Lizmatic> um, I didn't ban..
22:52 <Lizmatic> I silenced them for 1 minute and unsilenced
22:52 <Lizmatic> plus I wanred 5 times beforehand
22:52 <Lizmatic> so whats your problem exactly?
22:52 <TaZ> w/e it's stupid Lizmatic
22:52 <Lizmatic> w/e yeah, owned
22:52 <TaZ> If you can't handle it, then silence them yourself without using admin power
22:53 <TaZ> lol @ "owned"
22:53  * Lizmatic yawns
22:53 <TaZ> You haven't owned nobody
22:53 <Lizmatic> you're really boring..
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22:53 <TaZ> But you're stupidity entertains me
22:53 <Lizmatic> your*
22:53 <Lizmatic> nice try
22:54 <Lizmatic> its our server though.. x server.. our rules
22:54 <TaZ> Well of course
22:54 <Lizmatic> complaints can go on x forum
22:54 <TaZ> I'm sorry. I see you can't understand my point.  It's ok.
22:56 <Lizmatic> learn explaining better, maybe people will get you someday
22:57 <TaZ> lmao
22:57 <TaZ> You crack me up
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22:59 <K-Yo> BabyBug, well, she did not make the rules indeed... but she asked for them... I don't know what's best
23:01 <Lizmatic> I don't understand the complaining though.. just speak english and use /msg for your own language
23:01 <Lizmatic> its easy o_O
23:01 <TaZ> When people ask me why Lizmatic does these things, I just say don't pay any attention to her.  They seem to agree that she is pretty dumb.
23:02 <TaZ> Sasori, you're about to be a mom, and this is how you act?
23:02 <Lizmatic> its normal in another game I play sometimes.. wolfenstein et, do you know it K-Yo? english only is enforced there as well, so I didn't think there'd be a problem
23:03 <K-Yo> Lizmatic, I know wolfenstein et
23:03 <K-Yo> but I also think enforcing one language is clearly stupid
23:03 <K-Yo> but it's ok on one particular server
23:04 <K-Yo> still, I would try to avoid this server as much as possible
23:04 <Lizmatic> well, I have talked to people who think its a reasonable rule as well.. it doesn't have to be your cup of tea though
23:04 <Lizmatic> there's x and ct.. no problemo xP
23:05 <TaZ> lul
23:05 <TaZ> anyway..
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23:12 <Lizmatic> .tea
23:12 <tronner> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): cH1||, Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTxTadd, Legionnaire, Luzifer (Lacrymosa@forums), philipp, wrtlprnft |mbc| (wrtlprnft@forums)
23:14 <luke-jr> Lizmatic: in #anime, I enforce a rule of tolerance of all languages
23:14 <smoothice> luke-jr: I just built the latest trunk client... awesome new changes!
23:15 <smoothice> luke-jr: Mac OS X growl support is a plus
23:16 <smoothice> .tea
23:16 <tronner> smoothice: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): BabyBug, cH1||, Ctt_Desolate (Desolate@forums), CTxTadd, Luzifer (Lacrymosa@forums), philipp, wrtlprnft |mbc| (wrtlprnft@forums), zz 109, |x| lizmatic, ~*DelTa*~, ~KirBy!<(^.^)>~
23:17 <Lizmatic> luke-jr: want a cake for that achievement? :P
23:21 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@71-218-53-6.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #armagetron []
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23:31 <Lizmatic> cafe crashed?
23:31 <BabyBug> yup
23:31 <Lizmatic> i swear its my fault lol
23:32 <BabyBug> The only thing that's your fault is your never ending beauty my dear <3
23:35  * Lizmatic blushes
23:47 -!- SageLord [n=aaron_wo@ppp-70-128-243-73.dsl.bumttx.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
23:53 <teabot> armacommits: [smoothice] r728 Merged with mainline
23:54 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@71-218-53-6.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit []
23:54 <luke-jr> …

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