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[2021-01-02 05:52:27] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 52*28
[2021-01-02 05:52:27] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 1456
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[2021-01-02 10:59:36] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3205 Merge from legacy_0.2.9 || [0.4-armagetronad] r3204 Test steam soldier builds || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1696 Disable script that would not work || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1697 Make build_image handle foreign base images || [0.4-armagetronad] r3203 Add build script for soldier runtime
[2021-01-02 16:01:03] <Lucifer_arma> protip.  A rust remover wheel for a power tool might produce sparks, even if the marketing materials say that it won't
[2021-01-02 17:27:06] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: are you going to take any action against them for False advertising?
[2021-01-02 18:31:12] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1699 Add link to relevant docs... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1698 Add AppImage update information
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[2021-01-03 06:03:28] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1700 Make AppImage filenames versionless...
[2021-01-03 06:33:34] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1702 Rebuild AppImages with signatures in final deploy || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1701 Sign appimages, if a key is provided in secrets
[2021-01-03 10:04:19] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1704 Mention Flatpak and AppImage changes || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1703 Make AppImage build depend only on apptar result...
[2021-01-03 10:34:24] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1705 Also clear appimage context
[2021-01-03 11:34:35] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3207 Update release notes to branch || [0.4-armagetronad] r3206 Merge from legacy_0.2.9
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[2021-01-03 12:09:43] <Lucifer_arma_> ct|kyle: no, because I didn't honestly think there wouldn't be any sparks.  Anybody doing this kind of work should know better.  :)
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[2021-01-03 12:22:40] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma_: Ya, but for those that don't knew better :)
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[2021-01-03 13:13:52] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: they shouldn't be doing what I'm doing, which is cleaning up and reconditioning a propane tank while it still has a lot of propane in it ;)
[2021-01-03 15:10:41] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: sparks would not be too much of a danger, unless you manage to go through the tank wall, but ever no sparks, it would not be fun if that happend
[2021-01-03 17:05:44] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1707 Add entry point and port declaration || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1706 Focus for root dockerfile: Build server
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[2021-01-04 11:58:27] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: that's actually kinda the point.  I'm cleaning the rust off the outside of the tank, so there's always the concern that there might be a pinhole leak that's currently filled with rust.
[2021-01-04 11:58:44] <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually using a brass wire brush for the more detailed work where that's a concern, because, you know, I know what I'm doing :)
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[2021-01-05 16:23:50] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Oh no! There already is a Stupid CMS: https://github.com/guillaumejacquart/stupid-cms-db You may have to break your naming convention.
[2021-01-05 17:32:50] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: not changing my stupid naming convention!
[2021-01-05 17:33:06] <Lucifer_arma> Also, my cms is stupider, because it doesn't do the job(s) it's intended to do yet :)
[2021-01-05 18:46:53] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1710 Also abort docker deploy if a more recent build is in the pi... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1709 Consistently use underscores in CI job names || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1708 Merge: Provide docker image... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] Phony dependency debtest -> docker for build pacing || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] Silence docker login warnings || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] Add buil
[2021-01-05 18:55:51] <ct|kyle> Z-Man: Lucifer_arma's always starts with "Daves Stupid" though
[2021-01-05 19:17:25] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: which is, by itself, a complete sentence and valid statement :)
[2021-01-05 19:22:29] <Lucifer_arma> I told my older son he should be grateful I didn't name my website until after he was born
[2021-01-05 19:22:41] <Lucifer_arma> He genuinely didn't understand why that would matter to him
[2021-01-05 19:23:09] <Lucifer_arma> "I don't understand why I should care," said Dave's Stupid Kid #2.
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[2021-01-06 17:51:48] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1369 Merge from release_0.2.8.3 || [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] Merge: Better cancel on obsoletion... || [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] Use new obsolete pipeline detection... || [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] Add script that checks gitlab API for newer pipeline runs
[2021-01-06 18:22:03] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1715 Use new obsoletion mechanism for docker deploy, too || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1714 Merge from legacy_0.2.8.3 || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1713 Handle login in docker script, not yaml || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1712 Docker: Use remote cache || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1711 Change build order for easier caching
[2021-01-06 18:52:06] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1202 Merge from 0.2.9.
[2021-01-06 20:22:34] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Use new obsoletion mechanism for docker deploy, too || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Merge from legacy_0.2.8.3 || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Handle login in docker script, not yaml || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Merge from release_0.2.8.3 || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Docker: Use remote cache || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Change build order for easier caching || [0.2.9-
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[2021-01-07 14:56:24] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1719 Reduce cache size by clearing up source and build || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1718 Try to get zthread binary into the cache || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1717 Only push to cache in build phase || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1716 Reorganize dockerfile to make caching better
[2021-01-07 16:42:47] <Z-Man> GOOD that the documentation says the order of --cache-from arguments for docker matters.
[2021-01-07 16:56:55] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1720 Change cache argument order...
[2021-01-07 17:09:01] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  Two more batteries for my RV are on their way.  This'll bring my total up to 5.  :)
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[2021-01-08 18:33:15] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1721 Use docker build --pull to make sure the base image is up to... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1722 Add docker ARGs for program name and title...
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[2021-01-09 11:47:54] <nunya_> Is there some way to get rid of lag and freezes? I have Googled extensively and can't seem to find anything that works. I'll be playing for about 10 seconds and then the game freezes. The next thing you know my light cycle has crashed. This didn't happen as much in earlier versions of Linux and Windows that I had although it did happen occasionally.
[2021-01-09 11:58:05] <nunya_> Yes my computer is dual boot. There are a few programs that only run in Windows that I still use because I have so many files in their format and haven't found Linux equivalents or replacements. If I could install and run them in Wine I would.
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[2021-01-09 15:25:44] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2021-01-09 15:25:44] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2021-01-09 15:25:49] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2021-01-10 04:10:53] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1723 Avoid relying on non-posix date usage...
[2021-01-10 06:41:21] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3208 Merge from 0.2.9 with adaptions... || [0.4-armagetronad] Adapt Dockerfile to trunk requirements || [0.4-armagetronad] Merge from origin/legacy_0.2.9
[2021-01-10 09:11:52] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1725 Verify the docker image can actually run || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1724 Add HAS_ARMADEPLOY variable...
[2021-01-10 16:13:19] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1726 Add deploy to gitlab package repository
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[2021-01-10 21:44:36] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1203 Various zone interaction tweaks, mainly to do with zones int...

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[2021-01-11 02:57:46] <Armanelgtron> +ap client hasnt been buildable in 3, almost 4 months and I only now noticed... ouch
[2021-01-11 03:15:45] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1205 Merge from 0.2.9. || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1204 Move moveHere function out of ifdef DEDICATED...
[2021-01-11 16:05:45] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: My rule for such things: If nobody complained, nobody cared :)
[2021-01-11 16:06:39] <Z-Man> (I knew because the pipelines were failing. I wanted to tell you, but not without analysis, and then always forgot....)
[2021-01-11 16:09:06] <Z-Man> Anyway, if you want, you can have automated builds now! You just would need to activate the CI pipelines over at your Gitlab clone and declare the branches you want builds for as protected (in the repository configuration). That would create downloadable releases like here: https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/-/packages
[2021-01-11 16:09:48] <Z-Man> The version number is that bizarre because Gitlab only accepts NUMBER.NUMBER.NUMBER there. At least it doesn't care about leading zeroes.
[2021-01-11 16:10:29] <Z-Man> I could set up a runner for you that then does the actual building if you don't want to take up the Gitlab provided shared runners.
[2021-01-11 16:14:49] <Z-Man> Or, of course, we could simply set up a protected branch on the main repository. That would already use my runner and could deploy to all the places the regular builds go. Even Steam if you'd like. The downside there is that you would not have full control then, you'd have to issue a merge request to that branch every time you want a build. Everyone with unrestricted access to protected branches can steal all the credentials.
[2021-01-11 16:14:58] <Z-Man> Of course, no reason not to do both :)
[2021-01-11 16:16:12] <Z-Man> (Steam builds would go to one of the 'beta testing' branches, obv.)
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[2021-01-11 20:19:32] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Add deploy to gitlab package repository || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Verify the docker image can actually run || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Add HAS_ARMADEPLOY variable... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Avoid relying on non-posix date usage... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Use docker build --pull to make sure the base image is up to... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] A
[2021-01-11 20:49:41] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1206 Add BALL_STOP_IF_RIM_AND_CYCLE to stop the ball if interacti...
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[2021-01-11 21:49:51] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1208 Fix previous revision: forgot to return; if zone wall intera... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1207 Apply BALL_STOP_IF_RIM_AND_CYCLE also to SoccerBalls...
[2021-01-11 23:20:13] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1209 Process zone wall boundary on bouncing zones and add a comma...

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[2021-01-12 00:20:24] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1210 Soccer balls now by default use a less hacky method of slowi...
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[2021-01-12 14:47:21] <Lucifer_arma> so, this is fun.  Not really, but anyway: some dude goes to the sporting goods store to steal a bunch of crap.  People talk to him, he goes nuts.  During the ensuing chaos, he whacked my wife (a manager at said store) in the side of the head and shoulder
[2021-01-12 14:47:35] <Lucifer_arma> yesterday, after reviewing the incident, the store fired her
[2021-01-12 14:51:48] <Lucifer_arma> on an unrelated note, why is my nickname still showing as black even though I've configured konversation to show it as white?
[2021-01-12 14:51:55] <Lucifer_arma> ah, nevermind.  I seem to have fixed it.
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[2021-01-12 17:50:41] <Z-Man> Maybe they expect their managers to be able to tackle and subdue all shoplifters without getting hurt? I hope she finds a better job.
[2021-01-12 17:55:18] <Lucifer_arma> actually it's the complete opposite.  The specific procedures are supposed to prevent any staff from getting hurt.  But what she did was go to the cart he'd left while he was on his way out and start going through it to see what he took, because she was in the process of taking possession of the stuff so it could be re-shelved
[2021-01-12 17:55:44] <Lucifer_arma> the guy reacted to that and jumped back towards the cart, and then when he assaulted her.
[2021-01-12 17:56:06] <Lucifer_arma> That was her second assault there in the last 8 years, where the first she just got pushed, but otherwise kept her distance.
[2021-01-12 17:56:49] <Lucifer_arma> she's interviewing tomorrow at walgreen's, for an hourly lead position for which she's eminently qualified, and the pay will likely come out to the same
[2021-01-12 17:57:02] <Lucifer_arma> basically, without getting overconfident, she's a shoe-in for the job she's interviewing for tomorrow
[2021-01-12 17:57:44] <Lucifer_arma> and while she won't be in the pharmacy/medical area, that would still put her on the front lines for covid vaccination :)
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[2021-01-13 13:23:09] <Z-Man> That would be a nice bonus :) My Mum got her first shot, her bonuses: being over 80 and having a daughter on visit who knew how the specific registration procedure went and could just do it for her.
[2021-01-13 13:26:08] <Z-Man> And yeah, it was reasonably safe for her to visit because a) she had some of those quick tests for everyone and b) she already went through Covid19 early last year, even before the official first wave. It had manifested as just a really bad cold.
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[2021-01-15 04:37:11] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1728 Deal with + and - in version for gitlab deploy
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[2021-01-15 16:39:45] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1729 Branding for +ap...
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[2021-01-16 17:27:54] <Z-Man> GAAAA. sortresources.py has been doing NOTHING for the past 8 years or so.
[2021-01-16 17:30:38] <Z-Man> On the 0.2.9 branch, that is. On 0.2.8 and 0.4, it's working fine. I wonder whether I should just copy the state from 0.2.8 over.
[2021-01-16 17:35:33] <Z-Man> Ah no, it was a trivial fix.
[2021-01-16 18:02:29] <Z-Man> Double silly me, I was on the ap branch.
[2021-01-16 18:14:19] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: Here's the tiny fix: https://gitlab.com/zmanuel/armagetronad/-/commit/3c439f1008d4fcb9aaf01713b3d7413f42b24fc8 I'd make it a pull request on Gitlab, but your branch there is a bit out of date.
[2021-01-16 18:15:06] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1730 Tiny typo fix
[2021-01-16 18:15:21] <Armanelgtron> i really need to set up the syncing stuff
[2021-01-16 20:15:29] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1731 Merge: Make docker image useful... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] Make it easier to run with bind mounts... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] Fully qualified base image name
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[2021-01-17 06:21:44] <Z-Man> When you change your mind between "update" and "upgrade" halfway through typing: https://gitlab.com/zmanuel/armagetronad/-/commit/7b0905005d9a371aebf56df630c956305c2fdab4
[2021-01-17 06:38:06] <Z-Man> My problem with merging my cherry-picking/rebasing: If you keep around the original branch 'just in case', it gets quite hard to determine later whether you indeed have already merged it and it can be deleted after all.
[2021-01-17 06:46:02] <Z-Man> I probably should adopt my hard drive upgrade strategy here: Move everything to an old project, create new project from scratch, forget about old project.
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[2021-01-17 18:50:10] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1732 Apply forgotten rename in other places
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[2021-01-19 04:47:31] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  My parallel computing program parallel computes!  Now I just need to give it actual work to do.  :)
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[2021-01-20 17:05:13] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-work] r1733 Make docker container more flexible...
[2021-01-20 20:56:15] <Armanelgtron> so, er, I tried using the gitbzr script but git starts consuming all my RAM
[2021-01-20 20:56:38] <Armanelgtron> the process command line is "/usr/lib/git-core/git fast-import --allow-unsafe-features --quiet"
[2021-01-20 21:03:50] <Armanelgtron> okay I have a process tree but this probably isnt the best place to post it ..
[2021-01-20 21:05:16] <Armanelgtron> └─git fetch hack_hack-0.2.8-sty+ct+ap_remote_1
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[2021-01-21 13:27:44] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: It works fine on my 2 GB raspi... how much is all your RAM? :)
[2021-01-21 13:28:08] <Z-Man> Since the import is the problem, what may help is to do the pull piece by piece.
[2021-01-21 13:28:19] <Z-Man> First, pull 0.2.8_work
[2021-01-21 13:28:24] <Z-Man> then 0.2.9_work
[2021-01-21 13:28:41] <Z-Man> then sty, then ct, then ap.
[2021-01-21 13:29:02] <Z-Man> Then the import doesn't try to optimize the delta storage all at once.
[2021-01-21 13:31:47] <Z-Man> But watch out, do check that what you get out is merge compatible with https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/-/tree/hack-0.2.8-sty+ct+ap. git fast-import is only 99.99% reliable at reproducing the source repository.
[2021-01-21 13:33:50] <Z-Man> My continuous syncing is only stable because it memorizes the relation between git and bzr revisions.
[2021-01-21 14:41:01] <Z-Man> Not my own work, that, of course. I just harvest the relations.
[2021-01-21 14:43:05] <Z-Man> I could easily set up a second gitlab/github project where I sync all the hack bzr branches we want. And I think both github and gitlab, definitely launchpad, support pulling branches from other repositories into yours.
[2021-01-21 14:43:47] <Z-Man> But I understand it perfectly if you want to be in full control :)
[2021-01-21 18:22:22] <Lucifer_arma> well, another day, another president
[2021-01-21 18:22:49] <Lucifer_arma> it's weird, this feeling, like we might be ok in a little while
[2021-01-21 18:23:15] <Lucifer_arma> on the one hand, it's sad to be in a country where the president had to issue an executive order ordering the government to put the kids back with their parents
[2021-01-21 18:23:32] <Lucifer_arma> on the other hand, it's really great to have a president who knows that's the right thing to do and jumps on it his first day
[2021-01-21 18:23:57] <Lucifer_arma> rejoining the paris climate accord, and the WHO
[2021-01-21 18:24:58] <Lucifer_arma> meanwhile, the former president's political party is in full-blown civil war with themselves, and he's speculating on forming his own political party
[2021-01-21 18:24:59] <Lucifer_arma> ]ping
[2021-01-21 18:24:59] <ljrbot> pong
[2021-01-21 18:35:22] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 2000*.24
[2021-01-21 18:35:23] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 480
[2021-01-21 18:36:44] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 4800/40
[2021-01-21 18:36:44] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 120
[2021-01-21 18:38:17] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 15-7.25
[2021-01-21 18:38:17] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 7.75
[2021-01-21 18:38:40] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 15/7.25
[2021-01-21 18:38:41] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 2.06896551724
[2021-01-21 18:38:56] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 4800 * 2.0689
[2021-01-21 18:38:57] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 9930.72
[2021-01-21 18:39:14] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 9930.72/.24
[2021-01-21 18:39:14] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 41378
[2021-01-21 21:04:22] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: you forget it was Biden who was vice-pres when they started putting kids in the cages..
[2021-01-21 21:27:40] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: no it wasn't.  You can miss me with that QAnon crap.
[2021-01-21 21:47:39] <luke-jr> lolwut?
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[2021-01-21 21:56:37] <luke-jr> https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/new-mcallen-facility-to-house-1000-immigrant-children/
[2021-01-21 21:56:42] <luke-jr> who was president in 2014?
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[2021-01-22 02:38:15] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: there's a difference between a policy where some kids *have* to be separated from their parents because of the actual situation and a policy where the WHOLE POINT is to separate kids from their parents
[2021-01-22 02:39:01] <Lucifer_arma> when you consider that, then it's not all that hard to understand why family separations have been a part of our immigration procedures for a lot longer than the last two presidents
[2021-01-22 02:39:31] <Lucifer_arma> but the most recent president ordered more family separations in an attempt to deter people from coming over, not because the facts on the ground required it
[2021-01-22 02:41:07] <Lucifer_arma> but hey, the same person who was president in 2014 also stopped two pandemics in their tracks and protected us like he was supposed to
[2021-01-22 02:41:24] <Lucifer_arma> so I guess you should keep on cherry-picking with your whataboutisms, right?
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[2021-01-23 05:19:52] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, if any of you are watching Walker, Jared Padalecki's new show, I just want you to know, they're showing Austin as a city that I don't recognize
[2021-01-23 05:20:32] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I can identify the major landmarks, of course, but this isn't a city full of country music.  It's all blues, whiny rock (aka alternative rock), punk rock, hard rock, and a bit of metal
[2021-01-23 05:21:02] <Lucifer_arma> but if you watch the first episode of Walker, they make Austin look like a country town, and it most certainly is *not*
[2021-01-23 05:22:46] <Lucifer_arma> you're probably better off going back to Dazed and Confused (the original, I heard they were doing a remake), which was filmed in Austin, but I haven't seen it so I don't know for sure
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[2021-01-23 13:19:26] <Z-Man> I watched Dazed and Confused, in the cinema even. Don't remember a single thing about it. Teenagers are in it? Doing stuff? No, I was neither drunk nor stoned. Does that put me into the target audience of a remake? I don't think I'd rewatch the original.
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[2021-01-23 13:30:36] <Z-Man> Intelectual honesty reminder: luke-jr was not whataboutismizing. You talked kids in cages, he replied with kids in cages. Of course, I'd still like to see evidence of systematic cruelty to immigrant kids under Obama before having an actual opinion on the topic.
[2021-01-23 13:36:29] <luke-jr> Z-Man: it obviously didn't start under Trump. Even the people who attack Trump for it, tend to admit that and say "well he should have stopped it sooner"
[2021-01-23 13:50:18] <Z-Man> obviously?
[2021-01-23 19:28:30] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: my point isn't when it started, it's when it became a policy of cruelty.  If a person commits murder, and there's enough evidence to arrest, nobody stops to ask "What happens to the kids?"
[2021-01-23 19:28:54] <Lucifer_arma> also, the *actual* cages themselves were all Trump.  Before that, they were basically dormitories for the kids.
[2021-01-23 19:29:36] <Lucifer_arma> so, before Trump, if a kid's parents, while entering the country illegally, were found to be, say, a murderer working for a cartel, then the parents would go to jail and the kids were placed in a temporary holding facility, as you'd expect
[2021-01-23 19:29:51] <Lucifer_arma> that policy probably goes waaaaay back
[2021-01-23 19:30:52] <Lucifer_arma> the kids were tracked and kept informed of where their parents were, and they were either deported to the foster system of their home country or placed here in the US
[2021-01-23 19:31:31] <Lucifer_arma> but what Trump did was separate the kids, put them in actual cages, fail to keep track of the kids and their parents so they couldn't be reconnected, and his people did this for everyone entering the country illegally
[2021-01-23 19:32:03] <Lucifer_arma> calling those two things the same policy would be the same as suggesting that drinking water from the tap is the same as swimming in the lake while the dam breaks
[2021-01-23 19:32:24] <Lucifer_arma> no, how about taking a bath in tap water vs swimming in the lake while the dam breaks
[2021-01-23 19:33:04] <Lucifer_arma> one of these things is perfectly fine and expected.  If you don't want to be separated from your kids, don't commit heinous crimes.
[2021-01-23 19:33:56] <Lucifer_arma> the other thing, not so much.  Simply entering the country isn't heinous enough to take the kids from their parents, let alone all the other crap that was done (the actual cages themselves, and the part where they didn't bother to track the families so they could be reconnected)
[2021-01-23 19:42:10] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: I haven't seen Dazed and Confused at all, not even when it was popular and I was smoking pot a lot.  I'm just not interested, generally speaking, in stoner movies.
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[2021-01-24 05:19:55] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma, luke-jr: Yeah, there are conditions where separating kids and parents it is absolutely the right thing to do. Not just in the context of immigration. Like if the parents go to jail for any reason. Very young kids can go with them, of course, but at some point, they are better off outside without their parents.
[2021-01-24 05:20:45] <Z-Man> Or if the parents are just plain incapable of caring for the kids, because of drug problems or mental conditions.
[2021-01-24 05:23:22] <Z-Man> Some people simply lack the basic parenting insticts. There have been one or two cases around here where kids simply starved because their parents failed to feed them, and big waves were made because the Jugendamt (center for youth and families?) is supposed to prevent such things in cooperation with doctors.
[2021-01-24 05:25:02] <Z-Man> Anyway, common thread: Society should divide kids and parents if and only if it's for the good of the kids. I fully expect THAT to go way back.
[2021-01-24 06:14:29] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: it's possible, and I haven't researched this, that at least in the context of immigration, there was previously a policy where families weren't separated at all and were instead deported together and that the Obama administration instituted a new policy that created situations where kids would be kept while the parents were jailed/deported
[2021-01-24 06:15:10] <Lucifer_arma> so it's important that, even in this situation, the family relationships were tracked, parents and kids were informed, and any kids kept were placed with family already in the US
[2021-01-24 06:15:27] <Lucifer_arma> which is, again, nothing like the family separation policy under Trump
[2021-01-24 06:15:50] <Lucifer_arma> but if that were the case, then it would technically be true that family separations started under Obama
[2021-01-24 06:16:58] <Lucifer_arma> as for names, here in Texas we have Child Protection Services, which is a somewhat known name around the country.  There's also Social Services.  I don't remember how the exact administrative breakdown happens in Texas, but these programs are all run at the state level
[2021-01-24 06:17:44] <Lucifer_arma> in the event that a CPS investigation finds an immigrant family who is here illegally and also determines they have to take the kids away from the family, they escalate to the feds for some of that
[2021-01-24 06:18:52] <Lucifer_arma> one of the conflicts between the states and the federal government during the family separation policy involved exactly that.  That's where the "sanctuary city" concept comes from: if a city official finds someone is here illegally, but they haven't committed a felony, the city doesn't tell the federal government about them
[2021-01-24 06:19:51] <Lucifer_arma> so like in California, if CPS took a kid from their family, they'd put them in the foster system (if there wasn't other family to place them with) and then jail the parents, but previously they would've escalated and let ICE figure out what to do with the parents
[2021-01-24 06:20:31] <Lucifer_arma> but under the family separation policy, California wasn't willing to risk putting the kids in cages
[2021-01-24 06:21:35] <Lucifer_arma> but it's worth keeping in mind how racist our immigration system actually is.  They do nothing to track down Europeans who overstay their visas, and it's a common strategy to become a citizen by a) being European, and b) overstay a visa for awhile
[2021-01-24 06:21:57] <Lucifer_arma> but if a brown person from south of the border tries it, it's kids in cages for them
[2021-01-24 06:22:57] <Lucifer_arma> it was basically the same under Obama, both Bushes, Clinton, etc.  Except for the "in cages" part, of course, but being from south of the border was immediate deportation while being white and European cut you some slack
[2021-01-24 06:27:40] <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not going to try to oversimplify immigration.  It's a complex situation.  And we can't have the kind of economic growth we need to be able to support any kind of middleclass and avoid degenerating into feudalism without immigrants.  Our population growth just isn't fast enough through standard citizen reproduction.
[2021-01-24 06:27:57] <Lucifer_arma> we need immigration if we're going to be the so-called First World nation we want to be
[2021-01-24 06:28:29] <Lucifer_arma> also, if we want to be the shining beacon of freedom for the world, we need immigration, we need that poem on the Statue of Liberty to be true
[2021-01-24 06:30:08] <Lucifer_arma> but I honestly don't think we can talk honestly and humanely about immigration until we root out all the racism that's currently embedded both in the system and in the conversation
[2021-01-24 06:30:33] <Lucifer_arma> and as far as maintaining a strong middle class and eliminating poverty, immigration isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to the size of those problems
[2021-01-24 06:32:12] <Lucifer_arma> and last I checked, both luke-jr and I live in states whose economies would be bankrupted if we deported all illegal immigrants today
[2021-01-24 06:32:34] <Lucifer_arma> so it's a complex situation :)
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[2021-01-27 18:34:20] <Lucifer_arma> lovely.  Now I have to idiot-proof my computer because my wife is an idiot.
[2021-01-27 19:06:21] <Lucifer_arma> seriously, it's 2021, you're not allowed to look at a computer screen and not know the difference between logging into a service your web browser offers and logging into a web application
[2021-01-27 19:07:11] <Lucifer_arma> and when given simple instructions, such as "only use the media player web browser for netflix/hulu.  If you need to check your email, use any of these other 5 web browsers that are installed", I think it's reasonable to expect those instructions to be followed
[2021-01-27 19:07:24] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, in more important matters.  My brain is getting locked at something.
[2021-01-27 19:07:48] <Lucifer_arma> so, I have a table with historical stock prices.  I have another table with technical indicators.  I need to put together a simple moving average based on the historical table.
[2021-01-27 19:08:28] <Lucifer_arma> the basic algorithm is done, and is what you expect.  Loop through all the records in the table and compute each day's average.
[2021-01-27 19:09:04] <Lucifer_arma> now, I need to update the history table with new records, and compute new moving averages for the new days
[2021-01-27 19:10:02] <Lucifer_arma> so I need the moving average computation to figure out where the current stored moving averages are in the history, determine where it needs to start computing, and then work up to the present
[2021-01-27 19:11:05] <Lucifer_arma> it's given only the stock to work on, the number of data points to use in the average calculation, and the most recent modified record in the history table
[2021-01-27 19:11:25] <Lucifer_arma> the moving average table could be empty, it could be all caught up except for new data.  It could also be in an in-between state.  Historical records may also be modified for various reasons, which means already existing moving averages will have to be re-calculated and updated
[2021-01-27 19:12:05] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not going to just delete all moving averages and start from scratch every time I retrieve a new stock history data set
[2021-01-27 19:12:56] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what to ask.  My brain is getting locked on trying to figure out how to check the existing table and advance the loop pointers to the right places to start on the calculation
[2021-01-27 19:13:52] <Lucifer_arma> it's in python, and the historical data set comes in as a dictionary keyed by date.  There's a separate row ID for each record that's also in there, but the dictionary is keyed by date, sorted in ascending order
[2021-01-27 19:14:22] <Lucifer_arma> presumably, but not necessarily, the averages will also be loaded in the same way: keyed by date
[2021-01-27 19:15:02] <Lucifer_arma> and the function takes in the date of the oldest changed record.  When nothing's changed and there's new data, this will be equal to the business day after the last record in the table
[2021-01-27 19:15:46] <Lucifer_arma> now, because it's business days, I can't do any date minus data points math, like today-7 to get records, because that doesn't account for weekend dates when the stock market is closed and no new records are generated
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[2021-01-30 20:23:26] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 6.04*30
[2021-01-30 20:23:26] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 181.2
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[2021-01-30 21:44:06] <Armanelgtron> have you tried qalculate :P
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