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[2021-06-02 06:35:39] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: I'll give a look when I can, but the ongoing drama in my life is, well, ongoing
[2021-06-02 06:35:55] <Lucifer_arma> today's drama has been a year and a half in the making
[2021-06-02 06:36:29] <Lucifer_arma> I arranged with the facility where we held our Tuesday in-person recovery meetings to go ahead and restart meetings.  I did this a week ago.
[2021-06-02 06:36:37] <Lucifer_arma> I sent an email to the gatekeeper on the local recovery group mailing list.
[2021-06-02 06:37:02] <Lucifer_arma> That individual (I'm pretty sure I know who it is) completely ignored the email.  So after a few days, I sent a message to the group on Facebook.
[2021-06-02 06:37:55] <Lucifer_arma> That garnered a response, a few days later.  So on Monday, the day before meetings are to resume (with me in charge, mind you), I get a message back saying that I should come into the zoom meeting on Tuesday and "discuss [my] proposal"
[2021-06-02 06:38:06] <Lucifer_arma> It's not a fucking proposal.  It's something that's actually happening!
[2021-06-02 06:38:55] <Lucifer_arma> Naturally, nobody showed up for the meeting.  The only people that knew about it are me, the woman I previously mentioned who may have killed herself, another guy who was busy with NA stuff (he's part of two different groups), and the person I was talking to
[2021-06-02 06:39:54] <Lucifer_arma> this is supposed to be a grassroots organization where anybody can start a meeting.  More than that, I was literally the last person managing the group's relationship with the facility offering us the space for the meeting.
[2021-06-02 06:40:03] <Lucifer_arma> That makes me the logical person to start up meetings again at this facility.
[2021-06-02 06:40:25] <Lucifer_arma> so there's a big ol' WTF happening right now.  As in, WTF I thought this was a support group, where's the fucking SUPPORT?
[2021-06-02 06:41:05] <Lucifer_arma> the reason it's been a year and a half in the making is because we separated from Refuge Recovery about then, when the founder was facing sexual inappropriateness claims
[2021-06-02 06:41:41] <Lucifer_arma> So at first I was like "I dunno, we've been doing fine, and it's not like he raped or sexually harassed anybody, it was consensual".
[2021-06-02 06:42:06] <Lucifer_arma> Then I didn't want to be isolated, and neither did anybody else, so we voted to join the new group.  Then the pandemic hit.  When that happened,
[2021-06-02 06:42:39] <Lucifer_arma> I reasoned that there were people more at risk of the consequences of addiction than they were at risk of covid, so I suggested that I could run in-person meetings during the pandemic
[2021-06-02 06:43:21] <Lucifer_arma> I'd be careful.  We'd take steps.  We'd wear masks.  I had an RV (this was before it got stolen), so I could change the location regularly.  Anybody who wanted to come would have to email me, and I'd limit the number of attendees.
[2021-06-02 06:44:04] <Lucifer_arma> So I sent the guy an email so he could tell everybody, and apparently there's a small council that decided that what I was proposing was reckless, and they weren't going to give me a forum to speak about it
[2021-06-02 06:45:24] <Lucifer_arma> naturally they replaced all in-person meetings with zoom meetings, which had serious privacy issues, so I didn't join any of them.
[2021-06-02 06:45:31] <Lucifer_arma> so now my old/new in-person meeting conflicts with one of their precious zoom meetings.
[2021-06-02 06:46:08] <Lucifer_arma> ANd you know, fuck those guys.  Are they being control freaks?  Or is there a real problem with what I'm doing?  I don't know, and they're sure in the hell not talking to me about it.
[2021-06-02 06:46:47] <Lucifer_arma> and all of that is a problem.  All of that is basically the same reason we just left freenode.  It's the reason we've insisted on doing all of our work out in public, all of our discussions out in public, everything in public.
[2021-06-02 06:47:21] <Lucifer_arma> When people show up randomly wanting to contribute code, but they want to keep it a secret, we tell them where they can stick it.  Actually, we let Z-man say something nice to them.
[2021-06-02 06:48:19] <Lucifer_arma> Recovery meetings are the same philosophy.  Anybody can show up.  Anybody can run them.  The important thing is that people are there, and we're supporting each other.
[2021-06-02 06:48:27] <Lucifer_arma> It's essentially the same thing.
[2021-06-02 06:48:39] <Lucifer_arma> Nothing should ever happen in private.
[2021-06-02 06:49:53] <Lucifer_arma> But this whole thing about voting to join Recovery Dharma, I don't know.  The national organization might well be different, but the local Austin organization seems to be run by control freaks
[2021-06-02 06:50:10] <Lucifer_arma> so, yeah, that's the current drama.  The ongoing divorce drama is ongoing.
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[2021-06-03 06:38:28] <Z-Man> Actually, I think I would accept anonymous contributions. But I would not secretly sneak code in. It'll get an issue and the commit would have me as committer, but "A. Non Ymous" or something as author.
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[2021-06-04 02:48:28] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: in the analogy, then yeah, that would be the right thing to do.  But we don't accept people wanting to contribute that want to keep their code to themselves.  This has come up a few times.  It has to come out in the open.  I seem to recall we actually had someone offering code,
[2021-06-04 02:48:58] <Lucifer_arma> but they weren't willing to GPL the code.  So I had to tell them they couldn't release it at all, then, and they were okay with that, but it meant no binaries either
[2021-06-04 02:49:42] <Lucifer_arma> Translating that analogy to the recovery meeting, though, I'm *not* an anonymous contributor.  I was already running the Tuesday meetings and managing our relationship with the facility.  So, not anonymous.  Inactive.
[2021-06-04 02:50:02] <Lucifer_arma> Inactive because when the zoom meetings started last year, one of the first big events that happened was people going to zoom AA meetings got outed, and some of them lost their jobs
[2021-06-04 02:50:42] <Lucifer_arma> that's literally the opposite of what Alcoholics Anonymous is all about.  We keep people's confidence, and protect their privacy (Recovery Dharma is just a buddhist-inspired group that operates similarly to AA).
[2021-06-04 02:51:03] <Lucifer_arma> so I opted out of the zoom meetings because they couldn't protect my privacy, and I couldn't protect anybody's either
[2021-06-04 02:51:32] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I lit a fire under their ass calling out their control freakery, pointing out that my problems with zoom meetings are real and never got addressed, and so forth.
[2021-06-04 02:51:45] <Lucifer_arma> So the message is getting around that the meetings I've started up again are happening.
[2021-06-04 02:52:10] <Lucifer_arma> It's a bit frustrating that I had to light a fire under somebody's ass to get movement, but I'll deal with that.
[2021-06-04 03:35:47] <Lucifer_arma> Now, in the current drama, because that recovery dharma drama was soooo two days ago....
[2021-06-04 03:36:16] <Lucifer_arma> Reminder: I'm still in the process of divorcing.  So "my wife" refers to "my soon-to-be ex-wife", and "my mother-in-law" is "soon-to-be former mother-in-law" etc.
[2021-06-04 03:36:49] <Lucifer_arma> So today my wife went over to her mom's house and found her, well, in a bad spot.  She'd previously fallen while trying to get to the door and wasn't strong enough to pick herself back up.
[2021-06-04 03:36:57] <Lucifer_arma> literally that old commercial we used to laugh about
[2021-06-04 03:37:10] <Lucifer_arma> Anyway, wife ended up calling 911, took her to the hospital
[2021-06-04 03:37:24] <Lucifer_arma> she's extremely low on sodium, which some temporary cognitive effects
[2021-06-04 03:37:31] <Lucifer_arma> so, why did she fall?
[2021-06-04 03:38:13] <Lucifer_arma> Reminder, this is the woman who complained about how nobody was helping her clean her trashed-out house, and how her daugher (my wife) was the reason there was so much junk in there.  Then I stepped up and took responsibility for cleaning, and she threw me out.  That was why I went to Kansas the second time.
[2021-06-04 03:38:52] <Lucifer_arma> so her house is now worse than even I imagined, according to my wife.  Adult Protective Services is getting involved, because clearly there's a shitload of neglect here (it's self-neglect, and yes, they step in for that, too)
[2021-06-04 03:39:10] <Lucifer_arma> there's a big ol' "I told you so" here that's available for me
[2021-06-04 03:39:25] <Lucifer_arma> but what's really important is that my mother-in-law is currently in the hospital overnight, possibly for several days
[2021-06-04 03:39:38] <Lucifer_arma> they're pumping her up with electrolytes and hoping that fixed the low sodium problem
[2021-06-04 03:39:48] <Lucifer_arma> if it does, then they'll get to actually try to diagnose an underlying condition
[2021-06-04 03:40:03] <Lucifer_arma> but honestly, she's a hoarder, and it's entirely possible that THAT's the underlying condition
[2021-06-04 03:40:38] <Lucifer_arma> I hope they don't discriminate on her being a hoarder, you know, the way they discriminate against fat (sexy!) people, so they can actually look at her health and figure out what to do
[2021-06-04 03:41:10] <Lucifer_arma> but there's now the strong possibility she's going to lose the house she spent all that time working to pay off because she didn't take care of it, and that's the source of the big ol' "I told you so" that's available to me
[2021-06-04 03:41:51] <Lucifer_arma> low sodium could easily cause the confusion she was having, the dizziness that led to her falling, and the weakness that prevented her from getting up
[2021-06-04 03:42:19] <Lucifer_arma> nobody knows how long she was stuck there, either.  So, the low sodium could be low electrolytes from being stuck in front of the door and unable to get up
[2021-06-04 03:43:07] <Lucifer_arma> what's frustrating for me, here, is that she has the same refusal to ask for help that my wife has.  It takes excruciating pain or downright debilitation to call in a doctor, to say nothing of the fact that none of this clan will ever seek out mental health services
[2021-06-04 03:43:32] <Lucifer_arma> so whatever's happening was always preventable, but due to sheer stubbornness, it had to happen
[2021-06-04 03:43:49] <Lucifer_arma> I'm hoping some views change, but I'm not waiting around for it.  Divorce plan is still proceeding.  I'm waaaay behind schedule.
[2021-06-04 03:46:18] <Lucifer_arma> also, side note, my wife has no idea how vivid my imagination is.  She should've been proofreading my books for me, like she fucking promised she would, so she'd know I have a vivid imagination.  But she didn't, so she doesn't.
[2021-06-04 03:47:33] <Lucifer_arma> also, finally, if it looks like I might be focusing on shit that don't matter when people's lives are at stake, keep in mind I'm in the process of DIVORCING this family, and I have no role in what's happening right now.  I'm just on the outside looking in.
[2021-06-04 03:48:01] <Lucifer_arma> so I'm free to think anything I want.  In the event I open my mouth, I'm only offering support to my wife, because I'm not a dick.
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[2021-06-06 04:06:42] <Lucifer_arma> Well, more drama.  That's my life.  As far as my mother-in-law, she's apparently been suffering from malnutrition for some time.  She hasn't been lucid enough for a regular conversation, and there's currently no way to know if there's an underlying condition.
[2021-06-06 04:06:59] <Lucifer_arma> If it's just malnutrition, she'll probably recover and be ok.  If there's more than that, then all bets are off.
[2021-06-06 04:07:50] <Lucifer_arma> She, like her daughter (my wife), sees the whole idea of asking for help of any kind as a weakness, including seeing a doctor when there's a problem.  So there's no way of really knowing what's going on until she gets better.
[2021-06-06 04:07:54] <Lucifer_arma> Assuming she will.
[2021-06-06 04:08:31] <Lucifer_arma> The other drama in my life is recover drama.  Friend of mine from rehab having problems with his wife.  It's not important.  As far as the recovery meetings, I've got support for those and we'll have another one on Tuesday.
[2021-06-06 04:08:58] <Lucifer_arma> In other news, I was riding my scooter earlier today, and I jumped out in front of a car and they crashed into my wall.  I think I got one point for it.
[2021-06-06 04:09:10] <Lucifer_arma> (none of that last comment is true, other than I was riding my scooter)
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[2021-06-07 02:02:16] <Lucifer_arma> apparently I'm migrating to the pi faster than I thought
[2021-06-07 02:02:18] <Lucifer_arma> my laptop is dead
[2021-06-07 02:02:56] <Lucifer_arma> that means my massive parallel computing cluster now only has two pis, not the three I had originally planned
[2021-06-07 02:03:51] <Lucifer_arma> so this ongoing mother-in-law drama is pissing me right the fuck off
[2021-06-07 02:04:08] <Lucifer_arma> my wife showed up earlier today and said things like "she hid it really well" and "there was no way to tell"
[2021-06-07 02:04:44] <Lucifer_arma> I *knew* her mother was neglecting self-care and building a cave of crap around her, and I warned her repeatedly that she needed to be checking in with her mom regularly
[2021-06-07 02:05:01] <Lucifer_arma> I've seen her disheveled, wearing clearly unwashed clothes, and all that
[2021-06-07 02:05:11] <Lucifer_arma> and I fucking RAISED THE ALARM on it all!
[2021-06-07 02:05:21] <Lucifer_arma> now my wife's all "Nobody could have known!"
[2021-06-07 02:05:26] <Lucifer_arma> FUCK THAT BITCH
[2021-06-07 02:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> I KNEW
[2021-06-07 02:05:52] <Lucifer_arma> why didn't she listen to me?  She's going to be lucky if her mom survives this, and it was all completely preventable!
[2021-06-07 02:06:40] <Lucifer_arma> you see why I'm pissed.  I don't like the mother-in-law, but I certainly never wished anything like this upon her.  I want her to live.  I want her to keep hating me!  She can't do that if she's dead!
[2021-06-07 02:07:13] <Lucifer_arma> Also, it's exactly how HER mom died.  The grandmother died back around 2013/2014.  She did the same thing.
[2021-06-07 02:07:31] <Lucifer_arma> She hoarded a bunch of stuff, ran off all of her friends, so she lived completely alone.
[2021-06-07 02:07:49] <Lucifer_arma> Then she fell, and being old and whatnot, was unable to get up.  Like the old commercial.
[2021-06-07 02:07:53] <Lucifer_arma> Then she died of starvation
[2021-06-07 02:08:23] <Lucifer_arma> Really?  Nobody could see this coming?  It literally happened just a few years ago one generation up, and nobody thought it could happen again?
[2021-06-07 02:08:47] <Lucifer_arma> This whole bury your head and ignore all problems problem is EXACTLY WHY WE'RE GETTING DIVORCED
[2021-06-07 02:09:05] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not surprised about any of this!  I'm just fucking pissed.
[2021-06-07 02:10:27] <Lucifer_arma> Anyway, I looked at the house today, and so far, code enforcement hasn't made a move on it.
[2021-06-07 02:10:47] <Lucifer_arma> Adult Protective Services is involved, so they're probably waiting to see if my mother-in-law even survives
[2021-06-07 02:11:00] <Lucifer_arma> current medial diagnosis is serious malnutrition
[2021-06-07 02:11:19] <Lucifer_arma> look, all of you need to go and check on the elderly people in your life.  Grandparents, parents, doesn't matter.
[2021-06-07 02:11:32] <Lucifer_arma> Go check on them.  Don't let them die of starvation because they fell down.
[2021-06-07 02:12:03] <Lucifer_arma> I don't care why you do it.  Do it because you love them, or do it because I'm pissed and you want me to not be so angry.
[2021-06-07 02:12:11] <Lucifer_arma> I don't care.  Just fucking do it!
[2021-06-07 02:13:39] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, I'm done ranting for now.  Meetings have already started up, and I lit a fire under their ass, and people may actually show up on Tuesday.  That's the most appropriate place for me to have these rants, so hopefully that'll happen.
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[2021-06-07 05:20:58] <Lucifer_arma> Reasons I stick around here:  I can be a dick, but I still always get support here
[2021-06-07 05:21:22] <Lucifer_arma> Compared to the recovery dharma drama, my one and only regular attending member just told me he's not going to be there this time
[2021-06-07 05:21:34] <Lucifer_arma> after last time, when he said he'd miss that one, but he'd be there for the next one
[2021-06-07 05:22:10] <Lucifer_arma> and people genuinely wonder why I feel like I'm all alone in this world.
[2021-06-07 05:22:17] <Lucifer_arma> Except here.  I'm not alone here.
[2021-06-07 05:22:38] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, sometimes I get bitch-slapped here, but I usually deserve it when that happens.  :)
[2021-06-07 05:23:12] <Lucifer_arma> but at least there are friends here.  For now.  You know, until we finally fold up because someone else took over.  I hope we stay in touch then.
[2021-06-07 05:23:25] <Lucifer_arma> but it also looks like that's never going to happen.  so, there's that.  ;)
[2021-06-07 17:03:14] <Z-Man> Who would WANT to take over?
[2021-06-07 17:04:55] <Z-Man> Sucks about your mother-in-law. I hope she makes it out, gets and accepts the help she needs, and gets to hate your guts for many more years.
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[2021-06-07 17:39:06] <Z-Man> Don't worry about my closest elderlies. The most problematic cases would be the siser of my mother-in-law (aunt-in-law?), who has occasional depressions, but she's already living in some sort of nursery home ("supported living" it's called, she has a normal flat but can get various forms of assisntance as needed) and her youngest son visits her often. My mom sadly is suffering from dementia. Her long term memory is still working, but 
[2021-06-07 17:39:06] <Z-Man> mostly in read only mode, and the short term memory is severly limited. It's painful to watch, but at least her personality is intact and my dad is with her and quite a bit younger and fitter. And her condition seems to be somewhat stable, at least I haven't noticed it getting worse over the past year.
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[2021-06-10 04:36:58] <guru3> I'm not sure I've got anything useful to say, but I hope the (soon-to-be-former) mother-in-law recovers, things go generally smoothely, everyone gets the support they need, etc. I'll aim to be around here on IRC at least for fair few decades to come and the very least I can do is read some text, even if I don't have much in the way of responses. Also, luckily my parents while old still have each other an
[2021-06-10 04:37:03] <guru3> d I check-in with them regularly. *knocks on wood*
[2021-06-10 04:57:21] <Armanelgtron> ...that's a commit from a month ago
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[2021-06-13 10:55:31] <Z-Man> Ok, I admit I have a problem. I'm addicted to following the freenode fiasco on twitter :)
[2021-06-13 10:57:43] <Z-Man> Their latest action is especially juicy: You may remember that one of new freenode's supporters key talking point was how old freenode/new libera staff were a bunch of cancel culture SJWs who led a defamation campaign against Stallman and the FSF for taking him back?
[2021-06-13 11:00:37] <Z-Man> Well, yesterday, the FSF announced they'd be moving to libera, saying  "[FSF] are confident in their [libera staff] technical and interpersonal expertise", thanking freenode staff (present in the discussion) for their patience: https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network
[2021-06-13 11:02:09] <Z-Man> And today, what was supposed to be a gradual transition was cut short, freenode seized their channels: https://twitter.com/fsf/status/1403941542532952067
[2021-06-13 11:10:07] <Z-Man> I'm staring to believe freenode is literally cursed now. You guys are still connected?
[2021-06-13 14:26:18] <Z-Man> Oh, and they now intentionally banned all IrcCloud users and killed #python.
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[2021-06-13 17:46:37] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2021-06-15 00:45:43] <Armanelgtron> I think most of us were until now ... now when you connect to chat.freenode.net now, you go to what they describe as a "new fork" of freenode... apparently, they didnt even carry over the old chanserv and nickserv databases... 
[2021-06-15 00:50:01] <Armanelgtron> and if im not mistaken, they didn't give any kind of warning or announcement beforehand
[2021-06-15 01:38:26] <Z-Man> Yep. What have I told you about black holes? Apparently, if you still want to unregister your old nick, you can if you directly connect to rinnegan.freenode.net . I would say it's pointless because if they wanted to harvest your email, they'd already have done so. But then again, looking at their apparent competence, they probably haven't.
[2021-06-15 03:13:29] <Lucifer_arma> I think RMS got hit on by a transgender woman and he went with it until he found she still had her penis, and that's the source of his anger
[2021-06-15 03:13:31] <Lucifer_arma> he liked it
[2021-06-15 03:13:38] <Lucifer_arma> and he hates himself for it
[2021-06-15 03:14:06] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm kinda glad that the freenode drama has blown up more.  When I brought it up, I was worried it didn't matter and that we were jumping on nothing
[2021-06-15 03:14:19] <Lucifer_arma> so it's kind of validating for me that we said "fuck that" and moved on
[2021-06-15 03:14:47] <Lucifer_arma> as for my soon-to-be-ex mother-in-law and her health problems, she's recovering fine.  The biggest problem now is the two sisters fighting it out.
[2021-06-15 03:15:16] <Lucifer_arma> I told my (soon-to-be-ex) wife that she should tell her sister that even I think her mom deserves better than what her sister is willing to offer
[2021-06-15 03:15:58] <Lucifer_arma> On a side note, I need to know when and if my website comes back online.  I just renewed the domain registration, but it had expired.
[2021-06-15 03:16:17] <Lucifer_arma> Also, the interface for me to manage it had changed so much I can't even look at hosts that I"ve created.
[2021-06-15 03:17:04] <Lucifer_arma> I also just got an irs check that I wasn't expecting.  It was a tax refund from several years ago.  I ordered the remaining things I really need to be able to move into my RV.
[2021-06-15 03:17:27] <Lucifer_arma> So soon, I'll be that cool-ass digital nomad.  Until then, I'll just keep being a cool ass.
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[2021-06-15 13:50:57] <Lucifer_arma> well I tried.  I tried to use GNOME on a vanilla Ubuntu installation, and I just couldn't do it.  I just couldn't configure it to work how I wanted it to.
[2021-06-15 13:55:54] <Lucifer_arma> but in other news, I got an OS on one of my pis, so now I'm rebuilding my desktop with it.  I still have to fish out the hard drive from the laptop and get hooked up in an enclosure.  But after all that, and re-logging in to everything, maybe I'll get started on that armaPi build
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[2021-06-15 17:00:17] <Z-Man> I get along with GNOME, but prefer xfce. It has workspaces, hotkeys for moving windows to the left/right half or quarters of a screen, sessions persist and it gets by without all that compositor crap if you want to. And ALT-TAB behaves sensibly and without delays.
[2021-06-15 17:49:02] <Z-Man> My prediction for the future of freenode: tomorrow or the day after, they'll announce it's the new social media platform Donald Trump is going to use to speak to his fans.
[2021-06-15 17:49:40] <Z-Man> Reasons: 1. Lee is chanting "Make freenode great again"
[2021-06-15 17:50:12] <Z-Man> 2. Trump's team has been teasing for a while he'll just get his own social media platform
[2021-06-15 17:51:37] <Z-Man> 3. It would be gloriously stupid, thus consistent with past behavior, and I want to see it.
[2021-06-15 17:52:37] <Z-Man> I don't know what FOSS is supposed to do with it, but it doesn't have to.
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[2021-06-16 00:58:10] <Lucifer_arma> Maybe Trump and Netanyahu can be friends on freenode?
[2021-06-16 00:58:58] <Lucifer_arma> I can get along with GNOME in much the same way I can get along with Windows or Mac OS X.  There's just enough config for me to not have to double-click like an idiot.
[2021-06-16 00:59:18] <Lucifer_arma> but this is my desktop computer, so it either does what I want it to do, or I install something that does :)
[2021-06-16 01:01:41] <Lucifer_arma> oddly, for my TV computer, I ended up installing KDE precisely because I needed a shitload of config that GNOME didn't have
[2021-06-16 01:02:14] <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, for a screen you sit a few feet away, you need bigger fonts, bigger icons, etc.  Also, easy access to all the multimedia stuff.
[2021-06-16 01:02:43] <Lucifer_arma> It's nice having a full-blown desktop underneath, as well, but the main uses for this thing are VLC and Hulu/Netflix/etc.
[2021-06-16 01:03:12] <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have Kodi or Myth installed anymore.  Just haven't had the time or interest in configuring them
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[2021-06-17 13:30:05] <Z-Man> I more than get on with the Windows GUI. There's only two things bugging me about it.
[2021-06-17 13:31:49] <Z-Man> The handling of multiple monitors with different scaling factors/DPIs is piss poor. As you drag a Window from one monitor to the other, it will be huge or tiny on the monitor you drag it to for a bit, then switch to regular size and be tiny or huge on the other one, making it very hard at times to actually get it to a placement you like.
[2021-06-17 13:33:52] <Z-Man> My workaround: Don't mix DPIs. In case of my work laptop (250ish DPI) connected to my home office screens (100ish DPI), I just tend to put the laptop screen to a quarter its native resolution. Or, more often, keep its lid closed.
[2021-06-17 13:35:35] <Z-Man> The other thing is that the only viable font rendering method that consistently doesn't turn ugly is the one with subpixel antialising, which I despise. A few selected programs can be persuaded to use pixel fonts, no antialising at all, Visual Studio luckily being one of them.
[2021-06-17 13:37:05] <Z-Man> These two issues combined can get even more annoying... the chat program we used at work before switching to Teams does not support high resolutions at all, so it renders in a lower resolution WITH subpixel antialising, which then gets scaled up by Windows, which of course makes the subpixel antialising break horribly.
[2021-06-17 13:38:28] <Z-Man> The Mac is better in both areas. Yeah, you only get non-subpixel antialized fonts most of the time, which are blurrier, but the number of pixel fonts and apps that support them is greater.
[2021-06-17 13:40:21] <Z-Man> And dragging between screens of different resolutions is simply beautiful. Sometime in between, it switches the actual render resolution, but it will always keep both parts of the window at the correct size, scaling up or down as needed. Well, catch is, you can't ever DROP a window so it stays visible on two screens at once.
[2021-06-17 13:43:14] <Z-Man> Not even screens with identical resolutions. Because consistency.
[2021-06-17 13:43:28] <Z-Man> I suppose.
[2021-06-17 13:48:49] <Z-Man> Now, the Mac's fullscreen windows, multiscreen, workspaces, side-by side windows and Apple-Tab window switching are all bonkers. I can't even describe what they do. I find them unusable. It's simply impossible to set up different work environments on multiple screens. So you can easily switch between browsing forums/twitter whatever, browsing news, and having development docs and development tools in some other setup. There is this odd 
[2021-06-17 13:48:49] <Z-Man> distinction between fullscreen windows, which are on their own workspace and need different key combinations to reliably get to, and just maximized windows, and you can only just maximize a window by manually resizing it to fullscreen size.
[2021-06-17 13:49:43] <Z-Man> Nope. I'm just using the Mac to view and download Youtube videos, occasionally check quassel or discord.
[2021-06-17 16:16:42] <Z-Man> My simple trick for getting readable fonts and stuff on the TV: Lie to X about its size. You can override the EDID size in xorg.conf. I do that on the PI connected to the TV, but that display is not used for much apart from showing the master server logs.
[2021-06-17 16:24:25] <Z-Man> On the real media PC, I just run Kodi as a frontend and occasionally Steam in big picture mode. Kodi is nicely usable with a TV remote and handles turning the thing on and off for TV recordings. Kodi can be a bit of a configuration and upgrade nightmare; most plugins are unsupported and some even fought by the respective content provides :( The Portuguese TV plugin recently started just showing a short clip of cartoon aliens waving 
[2021-06-17 16:24:25] <Z-Man> goodbye, no matter what you wanted to see.
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[2021-06-19 07:21:10] <Lucifer_arma> Ah, I got a wireless mouse/keyboard combination that does the job with no need for a remote control.  I also no longer have small kids that would trash it.  And I told the adults (including the kids) that if they couldn't figure out a simple desktop interface, they can't watch netflix and it's NOT MY PROBLEM :)
[2021-06-19 07:21:46] <Lucifer_arma> Two of the kids actually pushed back, whining "it's linux, and nobody knows how to use it!"
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[2021-06-20 10:54:04] <Z-Man> That's one way to approach that :)
[2021-06-20 10:57:19] <Z-Man> It would not solve my use case, sadly. The PC is also a video RECORDER that needs to be turned on at specific times to catch what it's supposed to be recording. And it should not run all of the time, so it should turn itself off again when done... The VCR software, or rather Kodi itself, can turn the PC off after a time of nobody watching anything and no recording running and it sets the wakeup timer for the next recording. I haven't 
[2021-06-20 10:57:19] <Z-Man> found a way yet to let that interact with regular desktop use.
[2021-06-20 10:58:59] <Z-Man> Like, you want Kodi or the backend do what it's doing currently, but also not shut down while a user is logged in, was idle for the last hour, but only because they're watching Planet of the Apes in the browser. Well, not shutting down while anyone is logged in would probably suffice.
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[2021-06-30 17:33:28] <Lucifer_arma_> Lucifer_arma: go away, dude.
[2021-06-30 17:34:50] <Lucifer_arma> Lucifer_arma_: fine, going away.  Jeez, you don't have to be so cranky.
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[2021-06-30 17:38:44] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  The system tray icons finally scale with the panel width!  I've only been wanting that feature for 15 years.
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