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[2023-01-02 16:42:39] <Z-Man> Holy shit luke got all his bitcoin stolen yesterday :( I knew he was big into it, obv, but I did not know he was THAT big into it that I would randomly hear about him from someone else over on Mastodon when bad stuff happens. Hope he is going to be all right.
[2023-01-02 16:56:12] <Z-Man> He writes on Twitter something along the lines that we (well, not we specifically) should consider all of his computers compromised.
[2023-01-02 18:10:48] <Lucifer_arma> Wait, wasn't bitcoin supposed to be perfectly secure?

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[2023-01-03 00:43:31] <Z-Man> Only as secure as you can keep your secret key you use to sign transaction requests, according to my rudimentary understanding. 
[2023-01-03 00:44:13] <Z-Man> He was already using a "cold wallet", which I assume means something like storing the secret on an USB stick or something.
[2023-01-03 00:45:22] <Z-Man> But whatever you do, at some point you have to show that to some computer running some software.
[2023-01-03 00:49:20] <Z-Man> I suppose one could use a perfectly air gapped machine for that and copy the data that would usually go over the net by hand, USB stick, or scanned QR code or something, some mechanism that you have absolute manual control over.
[2023-01-03 00:50:34] <Z-Man> THen, even if the machine that sees your key get hacked somehow, there still is no way for the hacker to obtain the key. I don't know how far he went with that.
[2023-01-03 00:51:55] <Z-Man> Anyway, you either have to keep your key secure, or trust your bitcoin to some online wallet, where the provider can then offer the usual online banking security functions like 2FA to you.
[2023-01-03 00:53:50] <Z-Man> Problem with that is that the online wallet providers and crypto brokers themselves get hacked reallly quite a lot. Or go out of business.
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[2023-01-03 15:13:10] <Z-Man> Sweet, my Ryzen 5800X3D arrived. Now I have to wait for the rest of the upgrade components (board, RAM, cooler).
[2023-01-03 15:15:50] <Z-Man> guru3: The people having trouble with the forum registration had it resolved, your action must have set the mail free.
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[2023-01-09 00:00:32] <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got my monitor hanging on the wall, and my keyboard and mouse wireless so I can use it from my bed
[2023-01-09 00:01:03] <Lucifer_arma> this is easily the most luxurious computer setup I've ever had :)
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[2023-01-09 11:07:13] <Z-Man> Sweet :) I have a couch on the opposite wall of my computer desk.  When I want to watch a non-Bluray movie, I just fall back to that. (Non-Bluray because I don't have a drive for that)
[2023-01-09 11:08:57] <Z-Man> I don't have a wireless keyboard permanently connected, though. I have a couple, but they are all different kinds of terrible, so I just use the mouse as remote. Though, come to think of it, I should switch to a game controller.
[2023-01-09 11:13:10] <Z-Man> The rest of the parts for the PC arrived saturday, and upgrades went surprisingly well. Even Windows 11.Only Minecraft and booting into Windows from Grub broke, strangely.
[2023-01-09 11:18:21] <Z-Man> Annoyingly, I learned that game startup times on Windows are now dominiated by the game launchers. Steam, Epic and EA Origin. Apparently, they are network limited. Grr. Some EA games (Star Wars Squadrons, Battlefront 2) were freebies on the Epic store recently, which was neat... BUT THEY REQUIRE that both the Epic lauchner and Origin are running. And they start them one after the other, so you have twice the fun.
[2023-01-09 12:12:54] <Z-Man> OH WAIT
[2023-01-09 12:13:08] <Z-Man> I KNEW I should have kept quiet
[2023-01-09 12:14:36] <Z-Man> A phew, thought Windows 11 had wiped my Linux partition.  It did not. I have my hard drives confused.
[2023-01-09 12:24:59] <Z-Man> But it did destroy Grub. That is to be expected.
[2023-01-09 14:34:15] <Z-Man> And just like I thought, fixing that made the "Grub cannot load Windows" problem go away :)
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[2023-01-09 20:29:31] <Lucifer_arma> Heh.  Still windows-free here
[2023-01-09 20:29:59] <Lucifer_arma> But I could use someone checking out cerritos and building it in windows and writing up some instructions

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[2023-01-13 17:03:54] <Z-Man> Well, it's cmake, it should be no problem for anyone familiar with it... the big bullshit thing about development in Windows, though, is that there is no standard way to install development libraries.That is where I, cmake complete noob,hit a wall, so sorry, no help from me. You need to install every dependency sonewhere and then somehow tell cmake how to find it, it seems.
[2023-01-13 17:06:43] <Z-Man> Maybe try the conan package manager? That is supposed to be able to deal with this crap on all systems, and it integrates with cmake.
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[2023-01-18 00:00:24] <Lucifer_arma> There are ways to handle it with commandline variables and environment variables.  I know they're there, I just don't have a windows system to work them out
[2023-01-18 00:01:01] <Lucifer_arma> but basically what I'm saying is you should be able to say "SDL is in ../" in cmake as a default, add a commandline option to find it, and it'd be just like arma
[2023-01-18 00:01:29] <Lucifer_arma> I'll see what I can do running it in wine, soonish.  We'll see.  I'm actually moving in a different direction right now, so we'll see what happens
[2023-01-18 00:01:58] <Lucifer_arma> So, I don't know if I said it, but I got back with the christian chick, because it looked like her "oh you don't love Jesus" thing was more of a way to avoid getting involved
[2023-01-18 00:02:15] <Lucifer_arma> not that she wasn't a bit worried about getting involved with an atheist, but definitely some commitmentphobia happening
[2023-01-18 00:02:47] <Lucifer_arma> long story short, we broke up again, and while I'm a bit more tore up emotionally, I'm also significantly boistered by the fact that this was defnitely a much more honest attempt
[2023-01-18 00:03:01] <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm back in breakup mode, but doing reasonably ok.
[2023-01-18 00:03:37] <Lucifer_arma> I'm focusing on writing right now.  I'll get back to cerritos soonish, and the android build is far more important right now, since the first thing I want to write with cerritos is an alarm clock
[2023-01-18 00:05:00] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm intending to go balls to the wall on Fastburger! and bring it over the finish line, like I did with the Fool's Tale back when I did that
[2023-01-18 00:05:42] <Lucifer_arma> relatively speaking, there's more work left on Fastburger! than there was on the Fool's Tale when I got to this point mentally, so we'll see how it goes
[2023-01-18 00:06:11] <Lucifer_arma> but if I manage to pull it off, I may need someone (like you, Z-Man) to clear up some time in the next month or so to do some prereading
[2023-01-18 00:07:04] <Lucifer_arma> oh hey, if you have a windows computer I can RDP into, that would help a lot, but don't put a priority on it.  It'll be awhile before I'm back into it
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[2023-01-26 17:25:43] <Z-Man> Lucifer: Reading Fastburger!: Sure thing, I'm up for it.
[2023-01-26 17:26:21] <Z-Man> Sad to hear about the breakup, again, but since I did not know you were together again, that cancels out. Right? That is how emotions work?
[2023-01-26 17:33:42] <Z-Man> Windows PC: No, sorry. I only have Windows on this one machine right here, and that is only on when someone is using it, and not in Windows most of the time. Amazon Workspaces has cloud based Windows PCs and I think they have a generous free start period. Definitely try wine first, though, dev tools run quite nicely in it.
[2023-01-26 17:36:11] <Z-Man> Lib dependencies: The way arma does it is definitely among the worst. There is a reason the libraries get upgraded only rarely. On Windows, it is a pain to build libraries so they can be consumed. You do not want to do it, you do not want to write the documentation for it.
[2023-01-26 17:37:04] <Z-Man> Yeah, it's all "Just set the right environment variables, DUH" but finding those is no fun.
[2023-01-26 17:45:55] <Z-Man> You successfully nerd sniped me into trying to integrate conan with your stuff. I wanted to learn that anyway. So far, it installs the libs fine on Linux, and I have conan and cmake themselves installed on Windows. Now I just need to make the two talk to each other. And find out how to allow it to use the system libraries on Linux, I thought it would do that automatically.
[2023-01-26 19:24:29] <Lucifer_arma_> haha, I a girlfriend on a spring.  She pushes away, then springs right back.  This is just weird.
[2023-01-26 19:25:03] <Lucifer_arma_> what's conan?
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[2023-01-27 11:16:18] <Z-Man> npm for C/C++ developers, basically.
[2023-01-27 11:18:18] <Z-Man> It is a software dependencies package manager. You tell it what your stuff depends on in a metafile, and a single command line then fetches it all. Compiles it if necessary. Two lines in the CMake-file then let cmake use these dependences.
[2023-01-27 11:19:42] <Z-Man> I suppose it's one of those things were when it works, it is glorious. But when not, you have a lot of fun debugging. So a perfect companion for cmake.
[2023-01-27 17:25:55] <Z-Man> Well, I almost got it to build on macOS., still without Conan (not required there because Homebrew works pretty much like any Linux package manager). PR created. The one compilation error that is left is the same I get on Manjaro Linux: the AL/alut.h header is not found.
[2023-01-27 17:27:55] <Z-Man> That is OpenAL, right? On Linux, I do have the AL directory, but it contains alc.h, alext.h, al.h, efx-creative.h, efx.h, efx-presets.h.
[2023-01-27 17:47:22] <Z-Man> Ah, freealut on both systems.
[2023-01-27 17:59:37] <Z-Man> Have you found the explicitly linked stdc++ libraries required? I don't need them on Manjaro, and on macOS, the stdc++fs one does not exist. I think it is cmake's (or the linker's) job to take care of them.
[2023-01-27 18:01:29] <Z-Man> OpenAL on macOS is deprecated :o just like OpenGL. Stopping for today. State: Linux links, examples link and start, but don't find their data. macOS: linker errors with unresolved OpenAL symbols.
[2023-01-27 18:06:50] <Z-Man> Windows: conan does something, but cmake then fails to find SDL. Also, alut does not seem to be available.
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[2023-01-27 23:51:22] <Lucifer_arma_> I couldn't get it to build without explicitly linking to stdc++.  I am using it
[2023-01-27 23:51:58] <Lucifer_arma_> the examples need to be run from the build directory, eg "./examples/whatever".  I haven't figured out yet how to make cmake copy the assets needed by the examples into the build directory
[2023-01-27 23:52:52] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm not sure how to get openAL for windows.  I know that it's been taken back as closed source, proprietary crap, and it's my intention to not use it anyway.  My son added that, and it doesn't really do anything yet
[2023-01-27 23:53:19] <Lucifer_arma_> I need to write it out and use SDL_Sound instead.  I don't want to use SDL_mixer, but it might actually make sense to do so

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[2023-01-28 07:09:21] <Z-Man> Ah, apparently one needs some compiler detection magic. GCC < 9.1 requires linking stdc++fs, later versions don't, and clang needs a different lib for different older versions. I stole some conditional compiler version checking code (ugh, second ugliest expression syntax there, cmake). See if it breaks for you before you merge.
[2023-01-28 07:17:14] <Z-Man> On Linux, dadsteroids runs now and finds the ship. Odd. I could swear I ran it from the build directory before.
[2023-01-28 07:18:57] <Z-Man> Windows in general likes to lock itself up and restarts the PC in a state without video output. Happens randomly when idle, sometimes pretty reproducibly at the login screen. Got to get to the bottom of this. It was fine the whole past week, grrr.
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[2023-01-28 17:25:31] <Z-Man> Compiles, links and runs with the instructions in BUILDING on macOS using Homebrew. Yay!
[2023-01-28 17:26:38] <Z-Man> Only dadsteroids fails to compile:
[2023-01-28 17:26:38] <Z-Man> [ 66%] Building CXX object examples/CMakeFiles/dadsteroids.dir/dasteroids.cpp.o
[2023-01-28 17:26:38] <Z-Man> /Users/manuel/Develop/Stuff/cerritos/my/cerritos/examples/dasteroids.cpp:34:20: error: destructor type 'cerritos::Sprite' in object destruction expression does not match the type 'Bullet' of the object being destroyed
[2023-01-28 17:26:38] <Z-Man>             this->~Sprite();
[2023-01-28 17:26:38] <Z-Man> ...
[2023-01-28 17:29:23] <Z-Man> It does not like that Bullet is calling the Sprite destructor on itself. Right. Umm. To patch that, ~Bullet() would probably get accepted. But a destructor always invalidates an object, technically, so all further operations on the object are undefined behavior, and it seems the Bulet object is still getting used after that. So that is probably bad.
[2023-01-28 17:43:57] <Z-Man> I notice the Sprite destructor calls the surface destructor explicitly, too. That is most certainly not enough cleanup. m_Surface is an element of m_Frames, which itself is an element of m_Modes. All of those need cleaning, and the second best way to do that is with 'delete <surface>' on each of them.
[2023-01-28 17:45:02] <Z-Man> The best way is to just switch to owning data structures. No List<Surface *>, use List<std::unique_ptr<Surface>>, which cleans up automatically after itself, and deal with the fallout.
[2023-01-28 17:46:05] <Z-Man> Specifically, you can no longer copy that and need to turn m_Frames into a pointer. And deal with that potentially being nullptr. Yeah, work.
[2023-01-28 18:04:14] <Z-Man> I should probably shut my big mouth and let you get back to your book. All this C++ nonsense has time. I may even get to the Windows stuff. I'll leave branches around for you to merge later.
[2023-01-28 18:04:25] <Z-Man> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/wos4qm/is_this_true/
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[2023-01-31 13:18:44] <Z-Man> Fun thing, just as I disabled the shields on a huge enemy starship in a game, a 40 min real world blackout started. Local, a couple of blocks tops.
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[2023-01-31 19:52:34] <delinquent> Z-Man: Eve or E:D?
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