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[2023-10-03 00:45:25] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  I'm *so* close.  I have the ability to paper trade, so theoretically I now have the ability to both test my trader in realtime, and to switch it over to real trading with real money
[2023-10-03 00:45:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| woohoo!  I'm *so* close.  I have the ability to paper trade, so theoretically I now have the ability to both test my trader in realtime, and to switch it over to real trading with real money
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[2023-10-03 02:07:59] <Lucifer_arma> this message traveled under water to reach you
[2023-10-03 02:07:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this message traveled under water to reach you
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[2023-10-03 07:05:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma remember us when you're disgustingly wealthy pls
[2023-10-03 07:05:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma remember us when you're disgustingly wealthy pls
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[2023-10-03 12:28:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| bloody hell I just came across a Lebanese place on Justeat that does a four-person meal deal for fucking £85
[2023-10-03 12:28:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| bloody hell I just came across a Lebanese place on Justeat that does a four-person meal deal for fucking £85
[2023-10-03 12:28:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| how
[2023-10-03 12:28:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| how
[2023-10-03 12:29:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's my entire monthly shop
[2023-10-03 12:29:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's my entire monthly shop
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[2023-10-03 20:27:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Sorry to hear that Deli
[2023-10-03 20:27:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Sorry to hear that Deli
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[2023-10-03 22:41:28] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: If that happens, honestly, we're getting a paid professional arma development team :)
[2023-10-03 22:41:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: If that happens, honestly, we're getting a paid professional arma development team :)
[2023-10-03 23:03:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Hear that nelg, you're gonna get paid
[2023-10-03 23:03:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Hear that nelg, you're gonna get paid
[2023-10-03 23:32:30] <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Only if this damn thing works, mind you.  Don't be getting no hopes up
[2023-10-03 23:32:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| haha.  Only if this damn thing works, mind you.  Don't be getting no hopes up

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[2023-10-04 01:44:55] <Lucifer_arma> I'm building my own trader.  I'm going to use alpaca, which is a brokerage explicitly designed for this sort of thing.
[2023-10-04 01:44:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm building my own trader.  I'm going to use alpaca, which is a brokerage explicitly designed for this sort of thing.
[2023-10-04 01:45:17] <Lucifer_arma> the goal is to quit struggling to pay bills.  :)
[2023-10-04 01:45:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the goal is to quit struggling to pay bills.  :)
[2023-10-04 01:46:34] <Lucifer_arma> how it works is pretty simple (albeit the actual app is complex).  Download stock price history, analyze it, make predictions.  Then, during trading hours, run traders that trade.
[2023-10-04 01:46:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| how it works is pretty simple (albeit the actual app is complex).  Download stock price history, analyze it, make predictions.  Then, during trading hours, run traders that trade.
[2023-10-04 01:47:19] <Lucifer_arma> I've built a (very) small cluster to do all this analyzing and stuff.  I've just ordered the new database node, an Orange Pi 5.  The workers are currently Raspberry Pi 4s (total of three, but only two of them are hooked up right now).
[2023-10-04 01:47:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've built a (very) small cluster to do all this analyzing and stuff.  I've just ordered the new database node, an Orange Pi 5.  The workers are currently Raspberry Pi 4s (total of three, but only two of them are hooked up right now).
[2023-10-04 01:48:21] <Lucifer_arma> alpaca is commission-free, so the only fees I should acquire along the way are for transferring money out of my account, i.e. paying myself
[2023-10-04 01:48:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| alpaca is commission-free, so the only fees I should acquire along the way are for transferring money out of my account, i.e. paying myself
[2023-10-04 01:49:22] <Lucifer_arma> I started working on it before I went to rehab a few years back, but when I got out of rehab I looked at the code and started fresh.  Drunk code is not good code.
[2023-10-04 01:49:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I started working on it before I went to rehab a few years back, but when I got out of rehab I looked at the code and started fresh.  Drunk code is not good code.
[2023-10-04 01:50:15] <Lucifer_arma> so I've been working on it when sober off and on for the last 4.5 years or so.  I've been focusing entirely on it for the last couple of months and brought it from "it sorta almost functions as a cluster" to "all the parts are there and I'll be ready to start trading soon"
[2023-10-04 01:50:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I've been working on it when sober off and on for the last 4.5 years or so.  I've been focusing entirely on it for the last couple of months and brought it from "it sorta almost functions as a cluster" to "all the parts are there and I'll be ready to start trading soon"
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[2023-10-04 08:25:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @zbig Exchanges are starting to frown on directs. IEX has a 32 mile fibre run wrapped up in a box that every client must traverse in order to make the utter minimum propagation delay about 350ms. SEC says that the result is a mor estable market sooo
[2023-10-04 08:25:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @zbig Exchanges are starting to frown on directs. IEX has a 32 mile fibre run wrapped up in a box that every client must traverse in order to make the utter minimum propagation delay about 350ms. SEC says that the result is a mor estable market sooo
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[2023-10-04 14:07:27] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| very cool, hadn't heard of alpaca but may have to explore more later
[2023-10-04 14:07:28] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| very cool, hadn't heard of alpaca but may have to explore more later
[2023-10-04 14:07:37] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| keep the updates coming, it's been fascinating to follow 😄
[2023-10-04 14:07:37] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| keep the updates coming, it's been fascinating to follow 😄
[2023-10-04 14:21:22] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| @northernscrub they claim 38 miles now lmao
[2023-10-04 14:21:22] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| @northernscrub they claim 38 miles now lmao
[2023-10-04 15:34:16] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| Dont be mean, didnt know i have to solve a riddle, to get back to armagetron
[2023-10-04 15:34:16] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| Dont be mean, didnt know i have to solve a riddle, to get back to armagetron
[2023-10-04 15:35:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @greatgeneralkanki ya better than forcing people to add private telephone numbers don'tcha think?
[2023-10-04 15:35:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @greatgeneralkanki ya better than forcing people to add private telephone numbers don'tcha think?
[2023-10-04 15:37:30] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| @northernscrub  true haha
[2023-10-04 15:37:31] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| @northernscrub  true haha
[2023-10-04 16:17:40] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| does somebody know how i can make the zone walls/fortress smaller cant find it in the settings files
[2023-10-04 16:17:40] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| does somebody know how i can make the zone walls/fortress smaller cant find it in the settings files
[2023-10-04 16:23:31] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:colton97x| /console zone_height i think is what ur looking for
[2023-10-04 16:23:31] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:colton97x| /console zone_height i think is what ur looking for
[2023-10-04 16:26:43] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| @colton97x  thanks thats it 😄
[2023-10-04 16:26:43] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| @colton97x  thanks thats it 😄
[2023-10-04 16:47:38] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| Does the player Hoax still show up? I found that FoFo, the old toilet seller, is still around 😄
[2023-10-04 16:47:38] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| Does the player Hoax still show up? I found that FoFo, the old toilet seller, is still around 😄
[2023-10-04 17:09:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Hoax popped up about a year ago. Said something about digging out his old forums password but we haven't seen him since
[2023-10-04 17:09:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Hoax popped up about a year ago. Said something about digging out his old forums password but we haven't seen him since
[2023-10-04 17:10:17] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| probably still looking for his password.. thanks for the info
[2023-10-04 17:10:18] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| probably still looking for his password.. thanks for the info
[2023-10-04 17:19:46] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| fofo's has been inactive for a few months now but still hanging around
[2023-10-04 17:19:46] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| fofo's has been inactive for a few months now but still hanging around
[2023-10-04 17:25:59] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| ohh i remember you deso, if you are the same person who used that name ingame 😄
[2023-10-04 17:25:59] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:greatgeneralkanki| ohh i remember you deso, if you are the same person who used that name ingame 😄
[2023-10-04 17:27:19] <Lucifer_arma> @Deso alpaca is pretty awesome so far.  I'm using alphavantage for historical data.  I had to break down and buy their cheapest subscription so I could get all the data I can, but it's only like $25/month and allows up to 25 api calls per minute
[2023-10-04 17:27:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Deso alpaca is pretty awesome so far.  I'm using alphavantage for historical data.  I had to break down and buy their cheapest subscription so I could get all the data I can, but it's only like $25/month and allows up to 25 api calls per minute
[2023-10-04 17:27:51] <Lucifer_arma> That makes it take a couple of hours to do the complete update, and I'm only updating symbols on NASDAQ right now, but it's working so far.
[2023-10-04 17:27:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| That makes it take a couple of hours to do the complete update, and I'm only updating symbols on NASDAQ right now, but it's working so far.
[2023-10-04 17:28:25] <Lucifer_arma> I was looking forward to having my trader running today, but apparently I wrote a stupid little error in there and didn't wake up until the market was closed, so I "fixed" it, but I won't know if it's actually fixed until tomorrow
[2023-10-04 17:28:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was looking forward to having my trader running today, but apparently I wrote a stupid little error in there and didn't wake up until the market was closed, so I "fixed" it, but I won't know if it's actually fixed until tomorrow
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[2023-10-04 18:16:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Good luck printing money!
[2023-10-04 18:16:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Good luck printing money!
[2023-10-04 18:17:17] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| And made sure you record all your transactions in triplicates Incase you loose them, I'm sure your country's tax man is salivating at the thought of auditing you already :p
[2023-10-04 18:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| And made sure you record all your transactions in triplicates Incase you loose them, I'm sure your country's tax man is salivating at the thought of auditing you already :p
[2023-10-04 19:03:35] <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I made a spreadsheet a few years back to determine how viable this thing was, and I built tax payments into the spreadsheet.  Whenever I get to the point where I'm making actual money, that tax logic is the last bit of that spreadsheet that's still waiting to be implemented in the stockanalyst
[2023-10-04 19:03:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh.  I made a spreadsheet a few years back to determine how viable this thing was, and I built tax payments into the spreadsheet.  Whenever I get to the point where I'm making actual money, that tax logic is the last bit of that spreadsheet that's still waiting to be implemented in the stockanalyst

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[2023-10-05 12:05:13] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  Got the trader running!  I'm *so* close....
[2023-10-05 12:05:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| woohoo!  Got the trader running!  I'm *so* close....
[2023-10-05 14:02:54] <Lucifer_arma> I giggled about this:  "Enabling of that particular feature though should possibly only be done when you have some confidence in the application else you might end up getting inundated with emails."
[2023-10-05 14:02:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I giggled about this:  "Enabling of that particular feature though should possibly only be done when you have some confidence in the application else you might end up getting inundated with emails."
[2023-10-05 14:03:40] <Lucifer_arma> it's about a middleware wsgi thing that'll show errors instead of a 500 error, so you get error output like php gives you.  It also allows emailing that output.
[2023-10-05 14:03:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's about a middleware wsgi thing that'll show errors instead of a 500 error, so you get error output like php gives you.  It also allows emailing that output.
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[2023-10-07 08:26:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| what are you arbitraging? beta?
[2023-10-07 08:26:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| what are you arbitraging? beta?
[2023-10-07 08:29:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| might be better to select an exchange with smaller volumes, should have more inefficiencies to exploit
[2023-10-07 08:29:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| might be better to select an exchange with smaller volumes, should have more inefficiencies to exploit
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[2023-10-07 22:31:06] <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking I want larger volumes because that gives more price fluctuations
[2023-10-07 22:31:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was thinking I want larger volumes because that gives more price fluctuations
[2023-10-07 22:31:29] <Lucifer_arma> but as it is, I can only process nasdaq quickly enough to be able to use the information, so I'm sticking with that
[2023-10-07 22:31:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but as it is, I can only process nasdaq quickly enough to be able to use the information, so I'm sticking with that
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[2023-10-08 12:26:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| depends what you are trying to exploit i guess, larger fluctuations can also be detrimental depending on strategy
[2023-10-08 12:26:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| depends what you are trying to exploit i guess, larger fluctuations can also be detrimental depending on strategy
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[2023-10-09 03:47:34] <Lucifer_arma> wtf was that crap?
[2023-10-09 03:47:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| wtf was that crap?
[2023-10-09 03:48:24] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the plan is to find ways to mine this stock database for stocks I can trade at a profit.  The first approach is to try to work within normal fluctuations, and I'm working on that one
[2023-10-09 03:48:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| anyway, the plan is to find ways to mine this stock database for stocks I can trade at a profit.  The first approach is to try to work within normal fluctuations, and I'm working on that one
[2023-10-09 03:48:57] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still building the infrastructure to support the trading, and it's not quite there yet.  All the pieces are there in much the same way that a bicycle has the drivetrain of a motorcycle.  :)
[2023-10-09 03:48:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I'm still building the infrastructure to support the trading, and it's not quite there yet.  All the pieces are there in much the same way that a bicycle has the drivetrain of a motorcycle.  :)
[2023-10-09 03:50:16] <Lucifer_arma> current problem: Should I remove records from the database for days where there were no trades for a given symbol?  The question about it is, do these records have meaning that I need to keep?  If so, then I should flag them, instead, so I can leave them out of queries that are currently pulling them
[2023-10-09 03:50:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| current problem: Should I remove records from the database for days where there were no trades for a given symbol?  The question about it is, do these records have meaning that I need to keep?  If so, then I should flag them, instead, so I can leave them out of queries that are currently pulling them
[2023-10-09 03:51:05] <Lucifer_arma> if I remove the records, then the simulation is going to pull up some crap, and it may affect predictions in unpredictable ways.  OTOH, having them there may also bias predictions.  So, what do they mean?
[2023-10-09 03:51:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I remove the records, then the simulation is going to pull up some crap, and it may affect predictions in unpredictable ways.  OTOH, having them there may also bias predictions.  So, what do they mean?
[2023-10-09 03:51:42] <Lucifer_arma> They're always low volume trades, usually low dollar (but there are a few higher dollar), and I suspect that when they *do* get traded, it's something that happens on the market because of regulatory reasons, but are otherwise private trades
[2023-10-09 03:51:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| They're always low volume trades, usually low dollar (but there are a few higher dollar), and I suspect that when they *do* get traded, it's something that happens on the market because of regulatory reasons, but are otherwise private trades
[2023-10-09 03:52:04] <Lucifer_arma> *symbols.  Low volume symbols.
[2023-10-09 03:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *symbols.  Low volume symbols.
[2023-10-09 03:53:36] <Lucifer_arma> I also just added the ability to retain state for jobs, so that now they have memory.  :)  Basically, you tell the base class about attributes that need to be persistent, so that those attributes can be saved to the database, and the next time the job is created, those attributes will be restored.
[2023-10-09 03:53:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also just added the ability to retain state for jobs, so that now they have memory.  :)  Basically, you tell the base class about attributes that need to be persistent, so that those attributes can be saved to the database, and the next time the job is created, those attributes will be restored.
[2023-10-09 03:54:53] <Lucifer_arma> they're now a very basic implementation of those shared network objects we were talking about a few weeks ago
[2023-10-09 03:54:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| they're now a very basic implementation of those shared network objects we were talking about a few weeks ago
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[2023-10-09 05:24:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would create a non-value value, such as `notrade` or something else to indicate that the symbol is not *intended* to be traded on a given day. That would tie in with `restricted` or some other value to indicate that a symbol is being specifically pulled from trading or otherwise made unmarketable for reason - like a market suspension, if those still happen.
[2023-10-09 05:24:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would create a non-value value, such as `notrade` or something else to indicate that the symbol is not *intended* to be traded on a given day. That would tie in with `restricted` or some other value to indicate that a symbol is being specifically pulled from trading or otherwise made unmarketable for reason - like a market suspension, if those still happen.
[2023-10-09 05:26:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| the latter could have a decided impact on value, whereas the former might simply be a move to a new index or some other company-related business that has a less measurable share impact
[2023-10-09 05:26:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| the latter could have a decided impact on value, whereas the former might simply be a move to a new index or some other company-related business that has a less measurable share impact
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[2023-10-09 09:54:50] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| I removed a couple messages from discord in case anyone is wondering why Lucifer is yelling at air
[2023-10-09 09:54:50] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| I removed a couple messages from discord in case anyone is wondering why Lucifer is yelling at air
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[2023-10-09 14:25:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| low/no volume implies less interest and flat line
[2023-10-09 14:25:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| low/no volume implies less interest and flat line
[2023-10-09 14:26:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| it has predictive value
[2023-10-09 14:26:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| it has predictive value
[2023-10-09 15:14:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yes, but not as much as, say, a symbole being withdrawn forcefully by... would that be SEC?
[2023-10-09 15:14:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yes, but not as much as, say, a symbole being withdrawn forcefully by... would that be SEC?
[2023-10-09 15:14:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or halted pending investigation
[2023-10-09 15:14:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or halted pending investigation
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[2023-10-09 23:09:58] <Lucifer_arma> or private holding companies who are required to transfer ownership publicly, but the trades are between private entities and not available for public trading
[2023-10-09 23:09:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| or private holding companies who are required to transfer ownership publicly, but the trades are between private entities and not available for public trading
[2023-10-09 23:10:20] <Lucifer_arma> I think the next step here is to actually get more data.  The brokerage provides a way for me to see if *they* can trade a symbol, I just haven't put that in the database yet.
[2023-10-09 23:10:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think the next step here is to actually get more data.  The brokerage provides a way for me to see if *they* can trade a symbol, I just haven't put that in the database yet.
[2023-10-09 23:10:40] <Lucifer_arma> So I'll make a job to get that and then look at the data again and see if that helps figure this out
[2023-10-09 23:10:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So I'll make a job to get that and then look at the data again and see if that helps figure this out
[2023-10-09 23:11:11] <Lucifer_arma> also, if anyone's interested, the new database server isn't even breaking a sweat, and I've already given it more load than my laptop was taking
[2023-10-09 23:11:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| also, if anyone's interested, the new database server isn't even breaking a sweat, and I've already given it more load than my laptop was taking
[2023-10-09 23:12:07] <Lucifer_arma> so the next actual step is to bring the third worker online, I think, so my cluster will be at it's full power for the hardware I actually own
[2023-10-09 23:12:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so the next actual step is to bring the third worker online, I think, so my cluster will be at it's full power for the hardware I actually own
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[2023-10-10 00:40:11] <Lucifer_arma> you know, the deeper I get into this, the more I learn that it's even deeper than I thought
[2023-10-10 00:40:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you know, the deeper I get into this, the more I learn that it's even deeper than I thought
[2023-10-10 00:40:43] <Lucifer_arma> example: I'm just going to grab a list of assets and save them in the database.  So I create a table for it matching the object in the brokerage api.  Then I do the retrieval.
[2023-10-10 00:40:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| example: I'm just going to grab a list of assets and save them in the database.  So I create a table for it matching the object in the brokerage api.  Then I do the retrieval.
[2023-10-10 00:41:21] <Lucifer_arma> While looking over the data retrieved, I find that *one* of the fields is, in fact, a list, and thus requires another table to support it, with a symbol as primary key.  So now I not only have to create the new table, I have to write the support code for it.
[2023-10-10 00:41:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| While looking over the data retrieved, I find that *one* of the fields is, in fact, a list, and thus requires another table to support it, with a symbol as primary key.  So now I not only have to create the new table, I have to write the support code for it.
[2023-10-10 01:44:23] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I take it back.  My cluster is *not* running at full strength, even without the other worker, because the scheduler is taking so long to send out jobs that one worker is plenty to keep up with it
[2023-10-10 01:44:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I take it back.  My cluster is *not* running at full strength, even without the other worker, because the scheduler is taking so long to send out jobs that one worker is plenty to keep up with it
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[2023-10-10 16:01:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This is why you pull queries first and evaluate the responses. Also, don't use a symbol as the primary key. A symbol is not immutable, although changes are rare. In the event that it *does* change, you'll want the ability to add the new symbol, and retain the historical one for reference. A unique ID for each tradeable entity will give you that flexibility, and let you track symb <clipped message>
[2023-10-10 16:01:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This is why you pull queries first and evaluate the responses. Also, don't use a symbol as the primary key. A symbol is not immutable, although changes are rare. In the event that it *does* change, you'll want the ability to add the new symbol, and retain the historical one for reference. A unique ID for each tradeable entity will give you that flexibility, and let you track symb <clipped message>
[2023-10-10 16:01:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ols across markets more easily.
[2023-10-10 16:01:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ols across markets more easily.
[2023-10-10 16:59:39] <Lucifer_arma> well, ignoring for a moment that symbol changes are rare enough that they can be used as a primary key, there's actually a uuid for assets, I've just never used uuid before
[2023-10-10 16:59:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, ignoring for a moment that symbol changes are rare enough that they can be used as a primary key, there's actually a uuid for assets, I've just never used uuid before
[2023-10-10 17:00:01] <Lucifer_arma> I have a mid-term plan of changing the primary key to the uuid, but I have to get that copied everywhere it's needed first
[2023-10-10 17:00:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I have a mid-term plan of changing the primary key to the uuid, but I have to get that copied everywhere it's needed first
[2023-10-10 17:00:11] <Lucifer_arma> my database isn't just incomplete right now, it's also not fully designed :)
[2023-10-10 17:00:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| my database isn't just incomplete right now, it's also not fully designed :)
[2023-10-10 17:01:59] <Lucifer_arma> I also have to figure out how uuid's are used in python and postgres.  Right now, I'm just storing it in a varchar field
[2023-10-10 17:02:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also have to figure out how uuid's are used in python and postgres.  Right now, I'm just storing it in a varchar field
[2023-10-10 17:02:53] <Lucifer_arma> but before that, I need to streamline jobs.  They've picked up a lot of cruft from a bunch of individual cases of "I need this right now, I'll work out how it's best later"
[2023-10-10 17:02:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but before that, I need to streamline jobs.  They've picked up a lot of cruft from a bunch of individual cases of "I need this right now, I'll work out how it's best later"
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[2023-10-10 19:27:20] <Lucifer_arma> lovely.  Turns out my weighted moving average job has been writing to the wrong table this whole time, so now I have to drop both tables and start fresh with them.
[2023-10-10 19:27:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| lovely.  Turns out my weighted moving average job has been writing to the wrong table this whole time, so now I have to drop both tables and start fresh with them.
[2023-10-10 19:27:23] <Lucifer_arma> heh
[2023-10-10 19:27:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh
[2023-10-10 22:00:32] <Lucifer_arma> ok, everything's fixed again.  Cluster is back up to full speed, now it would benefit from having that third worker brought online
[2023-10-10 22:00:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, everything's fixed again.  Cluster is back up to full speed, now it would benefit from having that third worker brought online
[2023-10-10 22:00:55] <Lucifer_arma> need to reimplement the rate limiter at some point, when ever I actually exceed the requests allowed for that particular api
[2023-10-10 22:00:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| need to reimplement the rate limiter at some point, when ever I actually exceed the requests allowed for that particular api
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[2023-10-10 22:35:01] <Lucifer_arma> ok, so the question about price history for days when there are no trades is a little deeper.  The prices can actually change, which suggests the history I have includes "speculative" prices on those days
[2023-10-10 22:35:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, so the question about price history for days when there are no trades is a little deeper.  The prices can actually change, which suggests the history I have includes "speculative" prices on those days
[2023-10-10 22:35:56] <Lucifer_arma> so, say you check your portfolio value after hours and find that it's changed.  The prices get changed based on supply/demand, even if no trades take place.  That's the brokerage determining a speculative price based on orders that it knows about right then.
[2023-10-10 22:35:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so, say you check your portfolio value after hours and find that it's changed.  The prices get changed based on supply/demand, even if no trades take place.  That's the brokerage determining a speculative price based on orders that it knows about right then.
[2023-10-10 22:36:26] <Lucifer_arma> So that value can change even when no trades are actually happening.  It appears that this is in the price history, too, which is from a different data source.
[2023-10-10 22:36:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So that value can change even when no trades are actually happening.  It appears that this is in the price history, too, which is from a different data source.
[2023-10-10 22:36:55] <Lucifer_arma> so, should the technical indicators include these speculative prices?  Do the standard technical indicators you get from, say, yahoo, or google, or whoever, also include them?
[2023-10-10 22:36:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so, should the technical indicators include these speculative prices?  Do the standard technical indicators you get from, say, yahoo, or google, or whoever, also include them?
[2023-10-10 22:37:30] <Lucifer_arma> I've got it filtering out such records for new syncs, which means I have about 90 days to decide whether or not to keep it that way
[2023-10-10 22:37:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've got it filtering out such records for new syncs, which means I have about 90 days to decide whether or not to keep it that way
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[2023-10-11 05:38:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would have said yes. Just because a symbol isn't being traded on a given day doesn't mean there isn't any news about the corresponding company. What you need to do is work out how prevalent weightings from external sources are on actual price.
[2023-10-11 05:38:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I would have said yes. Just because a symbol isn't being traded on a given day doesn't mean there isn't any news about the corresponding company. What you need to do is work out how prevalent weightings from external sources are on actual price.
[2023-10-11 05:38:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'd log as much data as you can, including pointers to sources of information that change the expected worth of a given symbol. Over time you can evaluate that data, and find appropriate patterns therein. One way you could do that is by giving sources of information info tags, then sorting them into classifications based on what they're sayting about a given org. Add in the expec <clipped message>
[2023-10-11 05:38:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'd log as much data as you can, including pointers to sources of information that change the expected worth of a given symbol. Over time you can evaluate that data, and find appropriate patterns therein. One way you could do that is by giving sources of information info tags, then sorting them into classifications based on what they're sayting about a given org. Add in the expec <clipped message>
[2023-10-11 05:38:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ted value changes against the actual value changes, and you have a predictive model.
[2023-10-11 05:38:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ted value changes against the actual value changes, and you have a predictive model.
[2023-10-11 05:39:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Think of it like evaluating an organisations actions based on prior history. We know that, for example, a round of layoffs usually increases the share price (context-specific, but true enough), so you could use that information to adjust your strategy in such an event. Building on that, ou might be able to find market patterns that are as yet unknown.
[2023-10-11 05:39:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Think of it like evaluating an organisations actions based on prior history. We know that, for example, a round of layoffs usually increases the share price (context-specific, but true enough), so you could use that information to adjust your strategy in such an event. Building on that, ou might be able to find market patterns that are as yet unknown.
[2023-10-11 05:40:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's a continuous strategy, though, and not just one you can run for ninety days and expect to be solid
[2023-10-11 05:40:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's a continuous strategy, though, and not just one you can run for ninety days and expect to be solid
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[2023-10-11 16:06:33] <Lucifer_arma> that kinda raises another question.  The price changes on days where there are no trades represent investor feelings about the company, while actual prices represent actual trades.  So they're not the same type of information, and usually we wouldn't consider them for averaging because they're different types
[2023-10-11 16:06:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that kinda raises another question.  The price changes on days where there are no trades represent investor feelings about the company, while actual prices represent actual trades.  So they're not the same type of information, and usually we wouldn't consider them for averaging because they're different types
[2023-10-11 16:06:52] <Lucifer_arma> of course, they could just be as different as float and int, which average together just fine :)
[2023-10-11 16:06:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| of course, they could just be as different as float and int, which average together just fine :)
[2023-10-11 16:07:30] <Lucifer_arma> maybe I should run averages both including and excluding those days and see if the differences are actually enough to care about it overall.
[2023-10-11 16:07:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| maybe I should run averages both including and excluding those days and see if the differences are actually enough to care about it overall.
[2023-10-11 16:08:24] <Lucifer_arma> but I think considering that option solves the problem, since I *can* query for both, I should include all of it in the database
[2023-10-11 16:08:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I think considering that option solves the problem, since I *can* query for both, I should include all of it in the database
[2023-10-11 16:27:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| That's where monitoring things like investor forums and the like would be useful. You could theoretically employ an LLM to tag every available comment on a given symbol in a day, alongside a severity bias, and then use that to gauge a community consensus of sorts. That's really just a theoretical, and probably wouldn't be very effective on a small scale, but the idea is certainly <clipped message>
[2023-10-11 16:27:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| That's where monitoring things like investor forums and the like would be useful. You could theoretically employ an LLM to tag every available comment on a given symbol in a day, alongside a severity bias, and then use that to gauge a community consensus of sorts. That's really just a theoretical, and probably wouldn't be very effective on a small scale, but the idea is certainly <clipped message>
[2023-10-11 16:27:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent|  viable. That sort of information is what we once called "big data", although aggregate information on this sort fo scale is more reserved for the likes of tareted advertising. It's also not perfect - there's only so much information you can gather on the internet.
[2023-10-11 16:27:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent|  viable. That sort of information is what we once called "big data", although aggregate information on this sort fo scale is more reserved for the likes of tareted advertising. It's also not perfect - there's only so much information you can gather on the internet.
[2023-10-11 16:27:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| It's worth keeping an eye on, though. The retail investor is becoming a much more significant player in the exchange market. That's not necessarily new - just look at the Mrs Watanabe phenomenon
[2023-10-11 16:27:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| It's worth keeping an eye on, though. The retail investor is becoming a much more significant player in the exchange market. That's not necessarily new - just look at the Mrs Watanabe phenomenon
[2023-10-11 16:58:31] <Lucifer_arma> I'm still far from considering that sort of data collection.  and honestly, I'm probably not considering it until I've gotten deep into AI anyway.  I'm still intending to get something that's profitable running using history analysis and technical indicators to come up with predictions, use a deterministic trading algorithm using those predictions.  THEN, the next step,
[2023-10-11 16:58:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm still far from considering that sort of data collection.  and honestly, I'm probably not considering it until I've gotten deep into AI anyway.  I'm still intending to get something that's profitable running using history analysis and technical indicators to come up with predictions, use a deterministic trading algorithm using those predictions.  THEN, the next step,
[2023-10-11 16:59:16] <Lucifer_arma> is to get AI predictions.  I've done some preliminary work there and determined it's a viable course, and since most trades nowadays are using AI in some form and the rich keep getting richer, it seems that I'm not the first one to have this idea either :)
[2023-10-11 16:59:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| is to get AI predictions.  I've done some preliminary work there and determined it's a viable course, and since most trades nowadays are using AI in some form and the rich keep getting richer, it seems that I'm not the first one to have this idea either :)
[2023-10-11 16:59:57] <Lucifer_arma> I figure a trading algorithm that's profitable on basic math-based predictions should do quite well with AI predictions, considering those can get surprisingly accurate
[2023-10-11 16:59:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I figure a trading algorithm that's profitable on basic math-based predictions should do quite well with AI predictions, considering those can get surprisingly accurate
[2023-10-11 17:00:47] <Lucifer_arma> after that, I'll need to see what kind of resources I have, because AI analysis of media about various symbols can be incorporated into predictions
[2023-10-11 17:00:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| after that, I'll need to see what kind of resources I have, because AI analysis of media about various symbols can be incorporated into predictions
[2023-10-11 17:01:37] <Lucifer_arma> but right now, I'm looking at my work on jobs yesterday having done more harm than good, and I need to fix that.  My trader can't run because it can't be instantiated on the workers.  :(
[2023-10-11 17:01:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but right now, I'm looking at my work on jobs yesterday having done more harm than good, and I need to fix that.  My trader can't run because it can't be instantiated on the workers.  :(
[2023-10-11 17:03:25] <Lucifer_arma> and since I had to blow up those two tables yesterday, today's the first full sync since then.  So it's having to repopulate the moving average tables completely.  This is a good stress test for the new database server, at least.
[2023-10-11 17:03:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and since I had to blow up those two tables yesterday, today's the first full sync since then.  So it's having to repopulate the moving average tables completely.  This is a good stress test for the new database server, at least.
[2023-10-11 17:07:24] <Lucifer_arma> I'm also trying to get the cluster software factored out from the stockanalyst stuff so that I can put the cluster stuff up on github and hopefully attract other people eventually :)
[2023-10-11 17:07:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm also trying to get the cluster software factored out from the stockanalyst stuff so that I can put the cluster stuff up on github and hopefully attract other people eventually :)
[2023-10-11 17:07:59] <Lucifer_arma> (I'm keeping the stockanalyst to myself for now, unless I stumble across a programmer who's going to be able to contribute to it directly)
[2023-10-11 17:07:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (I'm keeping the stockanalyst to myself for now, unless I stumble across a programmer who's going to be able to contribute to it directly)
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[2023-10-11 18:26:53] <Lucifer_arma> ok, if I did this right, traders should now be able to instantiate on the workers.
[2023-10-11 18:26:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, if I did this right, traders should now be able to instantiate on the workers.

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[2023-10-12 12:33:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| brokers base on bid/ask when there are no trades
[2023-10-12 12:33:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| brokers base on bid/ask when there are no trades
[2023-10-12 12:34:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| I suppose it's a bit more complicated than that and there are many financial instruments that can determine an asset's market value. in short, when lacking actual trades they go off proxies
[2023-10-12 12:34:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| I suppose it's a bit more complicated than that and there are many financial instruments that can determine an asset's market value. in short, when lacking actual trades they go off proxies
[2023-10-12 12:37:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:olive| what is the underlying strategy? it will affect the data you need
[2023-10-12 12:37:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:olive| what is the underlying strategy? it will affect the data you need
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[2023-10-12 23:05:43] <Lucifer_arma> the underlying strategy isn't quite as important as you might think.  :)  I need the flexibility to test any kind of strategy I dream up, so I need all the data
[2023-10-12 23:05:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the underlying strategy isn't quite as important as you might think.  :)  I need the flexibility to test any kind of strategy I dream up, so I need all the data
[2023-10-12 23:05:57] <Lucifer_arma> rather, I need all the useful data, and I'm questioning what's useful right now.
[2023-10-12 23:05:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| rather, I need all the useful data, and I'm questioning what's useful right now.
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[2023-10-16 17:13:09] <Lucifer_arma> well, now I have to create a new resume.  It's going to be difficult making it look good when I haven't done any professional IT work since before my first divorce
[2023-10-16 17:13:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, now I have to create a new resume.  It's going to be difficult making it look good when I haven't done any professional IT work since before my first divorce
[2023-10-16 17:19:08] <Lucifer_arma> I feel like I should list armagetron as a job.  I think I will.  :)
[2023-10-16 17:19:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I feel like I should list armagetron as a job.  I think I will.  :)
[2023-10-16 18:18:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Honestly, doing your own stuff when you're not actually employed looks very good - speaking as a business owner myself. I'd rather hire a hobbyist than an obligate, assuming decent experience on both sides.
[2023-10-16 18:18:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Honestly, doing your own stuff when you're not actually employed looks very good - speaking as a business owner myself. I'd rather hire a hobbyist than an obligate, assuming decent experience on both sides.
[2023-10-16 19:04:09] <Lucifer_arma> My open source work has gotten me jobs before.  My biggest obstacle here, besides my own issues writing resumes, is that I haven't done much in the industry since before 2010
[2023-10-16 19:04:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| My open source work has gotten me jobs before.  My biggest obstacle here, besides my own issues writing resumes, is that I haven't done much in the industry since before 2010
[2023-10-16 19:04:59] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to highlight the stockanalyst for recent work, because whatever else you may think of my crazy get-rich idea, the technology itself is decidedly pretty impressive for something I built myself
[2023-10-16 19:05:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm going to highlight the stockanalyst for recent work, because whatever else you may think of my crazy get-rich idea, the technology itself is decidedly pretty impressive for something I built myself
[2023-10-16 19:05:32] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to lean heavily on my work in the automotive industry, because I'm applying for an IT job at the auto parts company where I currently work selling, well, auto parts
[2023-10-16 19:05:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm going to lean heavily on my work in the automotive industry, because I'm applying for an IT job at the auto parts company where I currently work selling, well, auto parts
[2023-10-16 19:06:00] <Lucifer_arma> and I'm going to lean heavily into my overall lifestyle of just being a programmer, and always being one for as long as I can remember :)
[2023-10-16 19:06:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and I'm going to lean heavily into my overall lifestyle of just being a programmer, and always being one for as long as I can remember :)
[2023-10-16 19:06:31] <Lucifer_arma> since I applied for a job posting internally, the resume isn't *that* important.  I've already got the interview.  
[2023-10-16 19:06:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| since I applied for a job posting internally, the resume isn't *that* important.  I've already got the interview.
[2023-10-16 19:06:59] <Lucifer_arma> The resume, then, is about guiding them to the right questions to ask so that I can give them the right answers so they'll decide I"m right for the role
[2023-10-16 19:07:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The resume, then, is about guiding them to the right questions to ask so that I can give them the right answers so they'll decide I"m right for the role
[2023-10-16 19:07:14] <Lucifer_arma> which isn't much different than any other resume, except that it doesn't have to score me the interview because I already have that
[2023-10-16 19:07:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| which isn't much different than any other resume, except that it doesn't have to score me the interview because I already have that
[2023-10-16 20:12:16] <Lucifer_arma> in all these years with all these new web standards, has anybody else noticed that the default colors for links are still blue/violet?
[2023-10-16 20:12:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| in all these years with all these new web standards, has anybody else noticed that the default colors for links are still blue/violet?
[2023-10-16 20:53:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Why change a standard if it's universally recognised?
[2023-10-16 20:53:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Why change a standard if it's universally recognised?
[2023-10-16 20:53:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| actually don't answer that
[2023-10-16 20:53:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| actually don't answer that
[2023-10-16 20:53:43] * armagetronbridge 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| grumbles about too much change
[2023-10-16 20:53:44] * armagetron-bridge 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| grumbles about too much change
[2023-10-16 21:23:18] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I wonder if it's ISO restricted xD
[2023-10-16 21:23:18] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I wonder if it's ISO restricted xD
[2023-10-16 21:30:01] <Lucifer_arma> it's going to wind up like the save icon, where the new generation isn't going to have any idea why it's there or why it mattered originally, they'll just accept it
[2023-10-16 21:30:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's going to wind up like the save icon, where the new generation isn't going to have any idea why it's there or why it mattered originally, they'll just accept it
[2023-10-16 21:34:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I've heard a few youngin's talk about 3d printed save icons
[2023-10-16 21:34:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I've heard a few youngin's talk about 3d printed save icons
[2023-10-16 21:34:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that hurts
[2023-10-16 21:34:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that hurts
[2023-10-16 21:36:46] <Lucifer_arma> I tried to tell a kid at work the other day how awesome rechargeable batteries are by telling him about my old Discman.  The amount of "So this used to be..." in the story just really weighed it down.
[2023-10-16 21:36:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I tried to tell a kid at work the other day how awesome rechargeable batteries are by telling him about my old Discman.  The amount of "So this used to be..." in the story just really weighed it down.
[2023-10-16 21:37:45] <Lucifer_arma> still, that same kid likes to put in the deposit bag numbers by copying the first one, pasting it into the editbox for the second one, and then just changing one digit.  He does it all with the mouse.
[2023-10-16 21:37:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| still, that same kid likes to put in the deposit bag numbers by copying the first one, pasting it into the editbox for the second one, and then just changing one digit.  He does it all with the mouse.
[2023-10-16 21:38:00] <Lucifer_arma> He freaked out when he saw me rapidly type mine in in nothing flat because I used the numpad and tab key
[2023-10-16 21:38:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| He freaked out when he saw me rapidly type mine in in nothing flat because I used the numpad and tab key
[2023-10-16 21:38:37] <Lucifer_arma> I fear that the new generations aren't going to be able to show me anything about computers not because I know too much, but because they're learning so little
[2023-10-16 21:38:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I fear that the new generations aren't going to be able to show me anything about computers not because I know too much, but because they're learning so little
[2023-10-16 21:40:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's the complacency paradox
[2023-10-16 21:40:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| that's the complacency paradox
[2023-10-16 21:41:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| when you make shit too easy, people stop learning how to do other, more complicated shit with yo' shit
[2023-10-16 21:41:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| when you make shit too easy, people stop learning how to do other, more complicated shit with yo' shit
[2023-10-16 21:43:42] <Lucifer_arma> the whole world is going to fall apart when gen x retires
[2023-10-16 21:43:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the whole world is going to fall apart when gen x retires
[2023-10-16 22:19:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| ctrl c, v, delete, number is pretty damn fast, but only worth if the numbers are longer than like 4 digits
[2023-10-16 22:19:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| ctrl c, v, delete, number is pretty damn fast, but only worth if the numbers are longer than like 4 digits
[2023-10-16 22:19:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Doing it ALL with the mouse is gross though
[2023-10-16 22:19:37] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Doing it ALL with the mouse is gross though
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[2023-10-17 02:01:15] <Lucifer_arma> he does it all with the mouse.  Keyboard is faster either way, but since it's two 8 digit numbers that are consecutive, I can actually remember the first 6 digits after typing the first one, so it's faster to not ^C and stuff
[2023-10-17 02:01:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| he does it all with the mouse.  Keyboard is faster either way, but since it's two 8 digit numbers that are consecutive, I can actually remember the first 6 digits after typing the first one, so it's faster to not ^C and stuff
[2023-10-17 02:04:31] <Lucifer_arma> playing the freeciv japan map feels a lot like squeezing a tube of toothpaste
[2023-10-17 02:04:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| playing the freeciv japan map feels a lot like squeezing a tube of toothpaste
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[2023-10-17 09:16:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I was talking about the current* (arguable how current it is) education epidemic hitting schools in America with my sister and we came to a similar conclusion. It's wild how far behind kids are on their basic education (reading & maths). I'd like to have thought it was because they were learning more tech based skills by how much they're immersed in that environment from a young  <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I was talking about the current* (arguable how current it is) education epidemic hitting schools in America with my sister and we came to a similar conclusion. It's wild how far behind kids are on their basic education (reading & maths). I'd like to have thought it was because they were learning more tech based skills by how much they're immersed in that environment from a young  <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| age, but even basic computer literacy is difficult to find. Turns out getting babysat by YouTube and tiktok only teaches them how to find the right icons, close out of ads and doom scroll. Nothing more. I think after the 1995-2005 kids enter the workforce, we aren't getting any (significant amount of) skilled laborers entering the market for a long time. Complacency kills. A quot <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:16:54] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| age, but even basic computer literacy is difficult to find. Turns out getting babysat by YouTube and tiktok only teaches them how to find the right icons, close out of ads and doom scroll. Nothing more. I think after the 1995-2005 kids enter the workforce, we aren't getting any (significant amount of) skilled laborers entering the market for a long time. Complacency kills. A quot <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:16:55] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| e by some guy - 'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.'
[2023-10-17 09:16:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| e by some guy - 'Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.'
[2023-10-17 09:22:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| My niece, who has had a phone, tablet or a laptop in front of her since she learned to grasp objects (but of an exaggeration) and did 2 years of school from home on her laptop (COVID) still types with her 2 index fingers. I remember at exactly aroutd her age, I was first introduced to a PC and the first things we learned keyboarding skills. And this was back in India, where our c <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:22:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| lass of 30 got to go to the lab to share 2 computers for about an hour a week. I figured tech skills would be as important in the curriculum these days as math and reading, but maybe I'm biased a bit because of my interests idk
[2023-10-17 09:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| My niece, who has had a phone, tablet or a laptop in front of her since she learned to grasp objects (but of an exaggeration) and did 2 years of school from home on her laptop (COVID) still types with her 2 index fingers. I remember at exactly aroutd her age, I was first introduced to a PC and the first things we learned keyboarding skills. And this was back in India, where our c <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 09:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| lass of 30 got to go to the lab to share 2 computers for about an hour a week. I figured tech skills would be as important in the curriculum these days as math and reading, but maybe I'm biased a bit because of my interests idk
[2023-10-17 09:24:08] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Keyboarding skills = typing/shortcuts (control c/v n shit)
[2023-10-17 09:24:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Keyboarding skills = typing/shortcuts (control c/v n shit)
[2023-10-17 10:06:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Complacency is part of the educational problem too. We broadly assume that children are already familiar with all the operational characteristics of machines that we are, because the demonstrate a familiarity with devices - but we don't really measure that capability in depth, so the less obvious skills are never really proven.
[2023-10-17 10:06:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Complacency is part of the educational problem too. We broadly assume that children are already familiar with all the operational characteristics of machines that we are, because the demonstrate a familiarity with devices - but we don't really measure that capability in depth, so the less obvious skills are never really proven.
[2023-10-17 10:06:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's also something to be said about this ten minute thing, too. By overcatering to it, and by catering to short-form content in general (that being under three minutes or so), we don't permit young people to develop the concentration skills required to learn concepts in any depth. That's a rather broad statement, I'm aware, but I'd much rather see less of this tiktok nonsense <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 10:06:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent|  and more in-depth stuff. Unfortunately, that simply isn't where the money is, and without proper regulation, platforms will cater to the most financially productive product. Not the internet I hoped for, unfortunately.
[2023-10-17 10:06:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's also something to be said about this ten minute thing, too. By overcatering to it, and by catering to short-form content in general (that being under three minutes or so), we don't permit young people to develop the concentration skills required to learn concepts in any depth. That's a rather broad statement, I'm aware, but I'd much rather see less of this tiktok nonsense <clipped message>
[2023-10-17 10:06:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent|  and more in-depth stuff. Unfortunately, that simply isn't where the money is, and without proper regulation, platforms will cater to the most financially productive product. Not the internet I hoped for, unfortunately.
[2023-10-17 10:06:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's some good sides to it, though - the decentralisation of information and media is allowing a much greater range of individuals to produce arts and expression. Music is a superb example of that, as is the likes of producers like Corridor and Tomska. Silver linings and all that
[2023-10-17 10:06:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's some good sides to it, though - the decentralisation of information and media is allowing a much greater range of individuals to produce arts and expression. Music is a superb example of that, as is the likes of producers like Corridor and Tomska. Silver linings and all that
[2023-10-17 12:17:30] <Lucifer_arma> damn.  Next step is to pass an assessment on hackerrank
[2023-10-17 12:17:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| damn.  Next step is to pass an assessment on hackerrank
[2023-10-17 12:20:17] <Lucifer_arma> I think the standards of what we consider to be computer literate have dropped a lot, or they haven't kept pace with development, one of the two
[2023-10-17 12:20:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think the standards of what we consider to be computer literate have dropped a lot, or they haven't kept pace with development, one of the two
[2023-10-17 12:21:11] <Lucifer_arma> When I was a kid, computer literacy was a small amount of BASIC, and silly things like knowing the correct order to turn on your peripherals
[2023-10-17 12:21:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| When I was a kid, computer literacy was a small amount of BASIC, and silly things like knowing the correct order to turn on your peripherals
[2023-10-17 12:21:54] <Lucifer_arma> when GUIs started becoming prominent (and being a kid in a commodore family, we got a GUI before most PC users), computer literacy included understanding what icons were and what they were for
[2023-10-17 12:21:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| when GUIs started becoming prominent (and being a kid in a commodore family, we got a GUI before most PC users), computer literacy included understanding what icons were and what they were for
[2023-10-17 12:22:34] <Lucifer_arma> nowadays, an icon is just "click here and something happens".  Back then, you really had to know what a directory was.  Sounds silly now to think about it, but you don't use directories on your smartphone, you use apps, and they organize themselves on the filesystem
[2023-10-17 12:22:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| nowadays, an icon is just "click here and something happens".  Back then, you really had to know what a directory was.  Sounds silly now to think about it, but you don't use directories on your smartphone, you use apps, and they organize themselves on the filesystem
[2023-10-17 12:23:14] <Lucifer_arma> a few years back I had a minor altercation with my former step-daughter where I asked her to login to gmail using my laptop, and she logged in to google chrome, not knowing there was a difference (!)
[2023-10-17 12:23:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| a few years back I had a minor altercation with my former step-daughter where I asked her to login to gmail using my laptop, and she logged in to google chrome, not knowing there was a difference (!)
[2023-10-17 12:24:21] <Lucifer_arma> a disturbingly high number of kids don't know the difference between a local app and a web app.  I expect a lot of people in my generation to not know these things because my family were early adopters, most people in my generation didn't grow up with computers, but got involved with the tech boom of the 90's/early 00s
[2023-10-17 12:24:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| a disturbingly high number of kids don't know the difference between a local app and a web app.  I expect a lot of people in my generation to not know these things because my family were early adopters, most people in my generation didn't grow up with computers, but got involved with the tech boom of the 90's/early 00s
[2023-10-17 12:26:08] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure the short-attention span theater is that much of a problem, because kids binge-watch longer shows all the time.  I think the bigger problem there is that there's so much short-attention span entertainment that kids are spending their downtime doing things that just aren't interesting enough to promote growth
[2023-10-17 12:26:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm not sure the short-attention span theater is that much of a problem, because kids binge-watch longer shows all the time.  I think the bigger problem there is that there's so much short-attention span entertainment that kids are spending their downtime doing things that just aren't interesting enough to promote growth
[2023-10-17 12:26:52] <Lucifer_arma> when I was a kid, I spent a lot of that downtime taking things apart and figuring out how they go back together.  It's hard to find kids that are doing stuff like that now because passive entertainment is so easy to come by
[2023-10-17 12:26:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| when I was a kid, I spent a lot of that downtime taking things apart and figuring out how they go back together.  It's hard to find kids that are doing stuff like that now because passive entertainment is so easy to come by
[2023-10-17 12:27:49] <Lucifer_arma> I used to turn on the TV, see that there were only soap operas on, turn it off and go play in the yard.  Kids can turn on their phones/tablets/whatever and within minutes find some silly 5 minute clip to watch, or binge silly content and spend hours at it
[2023-10-17 12:27:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I used to turn on the TV, see that there were only soap operas on, turn it off and go play in the yard.  Kids can turn on their phones/tablets/whatever and within minutes find some silly 5 minute clip to watch, or binge silly content and spend hours at it
[2023-10-17 12:28:17] <Lucifer_arma> this is the world where America's Funniest Home Videos is something you can watch anytime, any place
[2023-10-17 12:28:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this is the world where America's Funniest Home Videos is something you can watch anytime, any place
[2023-10-17 12:28:35] <Lucifer_arma> I still read when I take a shit, but I hear people watching videos in public restrooms
[2023-10-17 12:28:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I still read when I take a shit, but I hear people watching videos in public restrooms
[2023-10-17 12:30:03] <Lucifer_arma> teenagers still find more interesting things to do, and there's hope.  There are more entering the IT pipeline every day.  I'm just concerned there aren't enough, and there have been quite a few studies that show it.  We do have more interest in STEM overall than we did in my generation, but that curve is still pretty flat, and there's just not enough replacements in the pipeline
[2023-10-17 12:30:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| teenagers still find more interesting things to do, and there's hope.  There are more entering the IT pipeline every day.  I'm just concerned there aren't enough, and there have been quite a few studies that show it.  We do have more interest in STEM overall than we did in my generation, but that curve is still pretty flat, and there's just not enough replacements in the pipeline
[2023-10-17 12:30:52] <Lucifer_arma> I guess it's ok though, because soon it'll be illegal to retire in the US anyway *wry grin*
[2023-10-17 12:30:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I guess it's ok though, because soon it'll be illegal to retire in the US anyway *wry grin*
[2023-10-17 12:32:56] <Lucifer_arma> in a related note, I saw a fun meme that said that gen x is the only generation to have full reproductive rights in the US for their entire reproductive years
[2023-10-17 12:32:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| in a related note, I saw a fun meme that said that gen x is the only generation to have full reproductive rights in the US for their entire reproductive years
[2023-10-17 12:46:52] <Lucifer_arma> ok, given that the devops question is going to be all about puppet, and I don't know anything about puppet, I should probably spend some time with it.  There's an hour allocated for the assessment, and there are 30 multiple choice questions and one devops question
[2023-10-17 12:46:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, given that the devops question is going to be all about puppet, and I don't know anything about puppet, I should probably spend some time with it.  There's an hour allocated for the assessment, and there are 30 multiple choice questions and one devops question
[2023-10-17 12:47:37] <Lucifer_arma> I want the job enough that I shouldn't take it cold, but I normally do best when I take tests cold.  Given how quickly I can generally find information, is it a reasonable risk to take it cold, knowing I don't know anything about puppet?
[2023-10-17 12:47:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I want the job enough that I shouldn't take it cold, but I normally do best when I take tests cold.  Given how quickly I can generally find information, is it a reasonable risk to take it cold, knowing I don't know anything about puppet?
[2023-10-17 12:47:47] <Lucifer_arma> (I did just work through a hello, world exercise for puppet)
[2023-10-17 12:47:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (I did just work through a hello, world exercise for puppet)
[2023-10-17 13:18:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Having just looked at how puppet varies ever so slightly from normal operators, but retains enough syntax to fool, I would say no. Spend a few hours playing with it first. 
[2023-10-17 13:18:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Having just looked at how puppet varies ever so slightly from normal operators, but retains enough syntax to fool, I would say no. Spend a few hours playing with it first. 
[2023-10-17 13:18:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Also I know fuck all about puppet
[2023-10-17 13:18:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Also I know fuck all about puppet
[2023-10-17 13:23:05] <Lucifer_arma> well, the main concern is spending time with puppet only to find the devops question is about tomcat or jboss instead, heh
[2023-10-17 13:23:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, the main concern is spending time with puppet only to find the devops question is about tomcat or jboss instead, heh
[2023-10-17 13:23:23] <Lucifer_arma> but the sample test had a puppet question (answer was easily googled)
[2023-10-17 13:23:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but the sample test had a puppet question (answer was easily googled)
[2023-10-17 13:23:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| wait
[2023-10-17 13:23:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| wait
[2023-10-17 13:23:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| tomcat?
[2023-10-17 13:23:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| tomcat?
[2023-10-17 13:23:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I had no idea tomcat still existed
[2023-10-17 13:23:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I had no idea tomcat still existed
[2023-10-17 13:23:58] <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm going to look into using puppet to setup landru (the cluster running the stockanalyst)
[2023-10-17 13:23:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think I'm going to look into using puppet to setup landru (the cluster running the stockanalyst)
[2023-10-17 13:24:21] <Lucifer_arma> why wouldn't it?  Big hairy web apps are still primarily written in java, and tomcat serves those apps
[2023-10-17 13:24:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| why wouldn't it?  Big hairy web apps are still primarily written in java, and tomcat serves those apps
[2023-10-17 13:24:45] <Lucifer_arma> I was less surprised to hear it was still used and more surprised when I realized it'd been so long since I fooled with it that I didn't even remember what it is
[2023-10-17 13:24:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was less surprised to hear it was still used and more surprised when I realized it'd been so long since I fooled with it that I didn't even remember what it is
[2023-10-17 13:25:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I always assumed it was replaced with apache proper
[2023-10-17 13:25:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I always assumed it was replaced with apache proper
[2023-10-17 13:25:09] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| do you definitely know it'll be puppet specific vs more general devops questions?
[2023-10-17 13:25:09] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| do you definitely know it'll be puppet specific vs more general devops questions?
[2023-10-17 13:25:33] <Lucifer_arma> but puppet was one of those weird things where it looked so familiar, I swore it was either something I'd started that someone took over, or I at least knew one of the early developers
[2023-10-17 13:25:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but puppet was one of those weird things where it looked so familiar, I swore it was either something I'd started that someone took over, or I at least knew one of the early developers
[2023-10-17 13:25:45] <Lucifer_arma> @Deso: no, I don't know that it'll definitely be puppet specific
[2023-10-17 13:25:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Deso: no, I don't know that it'll definitely be puppet specific
[2023-10-17 13:26:00] <Lucifer_arma> any more general question I can either answer directly, or quickly google an answer
[2023-10-17 13:26:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| any more general question I can either answer directly, or quickly google an answer
[2023-10-17 13:27:29] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| feels like maybe your time is better spent elsewhere than on 1 question out of 31 that might not be about the specific tool they use
[2023-10-17 13:27:30] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| feels like maybe your time is better spent elsewhere than on 1 question out of 31 that might not be about the specific tool they use
[2023-10-17 13:27:44] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| like getting rich quick on stock trading 😄
[2023-10-17 13:27:45] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| like getting rich quick on stock trading 😄
[2023-10-17 13:27:55] <Lucifer_arma> you're not wrong.  But I don't have any indication where else to spend that time
[2023-10-17 13:27:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you're not wrong.  But I don't have any indication where else to spend that time
[2023-10-17 13:27:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oh, I was assuming the lot were on puppet
[2023-10-17 13:27:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oh, I was assuming the lot were on puppet
[2023-10-17 13:28:22] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| can you take the assessment whenever you want?
[2023-10-17 13:28:22] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| can you take the assessment whenever you want?
[2023-10-17 13:28:49] <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'm not going to shelve that plan at all, I just want to make more money in the meantime.  More recent projections based on actual test results, now that I have them, suggest it'll take a year or so just to get to where I don't need a roommate anymore
[2023-10-17 13:28:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, I'm not going to shelve that plan at all, I just want to make more money in the meantime.  More recent projections based on actual test results, now that I have them, suggest it'll take a year or so just to get to where I don't need a roommate anymore
[2023-10-17 13:29:05] <Lucifer_arma> I have 48 hours to take it, but I have to work tomorrow
[2023-10-17 13:29:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I have 48 hours to take it, but I have to work tomorrow
[2023-10-17 13:29:18] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| you tracked some test trades?
[2023-10-17 13:29:18] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| you tracked some test trades?
[2023-10-17 13:30:00] <Lucifer_arma> yep, and have been tightening up the simulation.  Right now I've got it collecting higher resolution trading records so I can make the simulation even more realistic
[2023-10-17 13:30:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yep, and have been tightening up the simulation.  Right now I've got it collecting higher resolution trading records so I can make the simulation even more realistic
[2023-10-17 13:30:51] <Lucifer_arma> I'm still at the "make the simulation work" stage, but preliminary results are suggesting that I'm still in development for a couple more months before I can go live with a realistic expectation of profit
[2023-10-17 13:30:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm still at the "make the simulation work" stage, but preliminary results are suggesting that I'm still in development for a couple more months before I can go live with a realistic expectation of profit
[2023-10-17 13:50:39] <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops.  In my rewritten function to see if the stock market is open, I accidentally returned false in every if test
[2023-10-17 13:50:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, oops.  In my rewritten function to see if the stock market is open, I accidentally returned false in every if test
[2023-10-17 13:51:06] <Lucifer_arma> I fixed it, but it's neat to me that this function replaces some logic that Z-man gave me like four years ago to test to see if the stock market was open
[2023-10-17 13:51:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I fixed it, but it's neat to me that this function replaces some logic that Z-man gave me like four years ago to test to see if the stock market was open
[2023-10-17 13:51:53] <Lucifer_arma> I finally got a data source that gave me open hours and holidays from 1970 to 2029, so now instead of that cool OR mess that Z-man gave me, I have a simple function "is_stockmarket_open"
[2023-10-17 13:51:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I finally got a data source that gave me open hours and holidays from 1970 to 2029, so now instead of that cool OR mess that Z-man gave me, I have a simple function "is_stockmarket_open"
[2023-10-17 13:52:31] <Lucifer_arma> do SSD's make noise?  Or am I hallucinating hard drive noises?
[2023-10-17 13:52:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| do SSD's make noise?  Or am I hallucinating hard drive noises?
[2023-10-17 13:58:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| They can, but its an indication of a QC failure. Drive might be fine, also might not be
[2023-10-17 13:58:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| They can, but its an indication of a QC failure. Drive might be fine, also might not be
[2023-10-17 13:59:12] <Lucifer_arma> good thing I moved the database already.  I better backup my Projects directory, just in case
[2023-10-17 13:59:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| good thing I moved the database already.  I better backup my Projects directory, just in case
[2023-10-17 14:01:05] <Lucifer_arma> and writing, and documents
[2023-10-17 14:01:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and writing, and documents
[2023-10-17 14:01:14] <Lucifer_arma> damn.  I should install a backup program instead
[2023-10-17 14:01:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| damn.  I should install a backup program instead
[2023-10-17 14:01:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| rule of three
[2023-10-17 14:01:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| rule of three
[2023-10-17 14:15:22] <Lucifer_arma> running rsync on my home directory.  I just put a terabyte drive in my new database server, and it's a quality drive (not a risky noname drive)
[2023-10-17 14:15:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| running rsync on my home directory.  I just put a terabyte drive in my new database server, and it's a quality drive (not a risky noname drive)
[2023-10-17 14:16:43] <Lucifer_arma> now I just need to make sure to push the stockanalyst source, and maybe put in a cronjob to run rsync daily for everything else.  I'd rather not have to worry about backups right now, but man, it would really suck to lose everything I've got
[2023-10-17 14:16:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| now I just need to make sure to push the stockanalyst source, and maybe put in a cronjob to run rsync daily for everything else.  I'd rather not have to worry about backups right now, but man, it would really suck to lose everything I've got
[2023-10-17 14:17:52] <Lucifer_arma> I still suspect I"m hallucinating, but it's much better to be safe with this stuff
[2023-10-17 14:17:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I still suspect I"m hallucinating, but it's much better to be safe with this stuff
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[2023-10-17 16:19:33] <Lucifer_arma> ok, got hourly backups, got an upstream branch to put the stockanalyst in.  My ssd can now fail anytime it feels like it
[2023-10-17 16:19:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, got hourly backups, got an upstream branch to put the stockanalyst in.  My ssd can now fail anytime it feels like it
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[2023-10-17 23:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's no way I passed that test.  There was just too much on there that I didn't know, and the questions were pretty solidly testing to make sure you knew what you were doing
[2023-10-17 23:17:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, there's no way I passed that test.  There was just too much on there that I didn't know, and the questions were pretty solidly testing to make sure you knew what you were doing
[2023-10-17 23:17:35] <Lucifer_arma> also, if you left the window, it got logged, so googling answers didn't seem to be a good idea to me
[2023-10-17 23:17:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| also, if you left the window, it got logged, so googling answers didn't seem to be a good idea to me
[2023-10-17 23:29:12] <Lucifer_arma> ok, after further reflection, I don't think that message was telling me that I *couldn't* move away from the window, just that it would be logged and reported when I did.  Since a significant part of the job is being able to find answers when you don't know them, and doing so quickly, that seems to be the point of the test.  Which I failed completely because I was spooked
[2023-10-17 23:29:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, after further reflection, I don't think that message was telling me that I *couldn't* move away from the window, just that it would be logged and reported when I did.  Since a significant part of the job is being able to find answers when you don't know them, and doing so quickly, that seems to be the point of the test.  Which I failed completely because I was spooked
[2023-10-17 23:29:43] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I emailed the lady telling her that and asking if there's a way to retake it.  I'm expecting a no, but what the hell.  It's worth asking, right?
[2023-10-17 23:29:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| anyway, I emailed the lady telling her that and asking if there's a way to retake it.  I'm expecting a no, but what the hell.  It's worth asking, right?

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[2023-10-18 00:40:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Interviewing is a skill and you're rusty! Honestly, if you one or two interviews a week you would be landing every job within a month. Also, from what I've been told some of these tests purposefully have stuff on them that are outside of the job requirements and are there so they can be better prepared for the pay negotiation phase.
[2023-10-18 00:40:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Interviewing is a skill and you're rusty! Honestly, if you one or two interviews a week you would be landing every job within a month. Also, from what I've been told some of these tests purposefully have stuff on them that are outside of the job requirements and are there so they can be better prepared for the pay negotiation phase.
[2023-10-18 01:53:57] <Lucifer_arma> well, this was a target of opportunity.  I'm not on a job search, so I was just looking at internal job postings and I thought I might be able to get this one.  I'll keep at it.  And you're right about me being rusty!  In a way, I wish I'd tried for a different job first, just to knock off some of the rust
[2023-10-18 01:53:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, this was a target of opportunity.  I'm not on a job search, so I was just looking at internal job postings and I thought I might be able to get this one.  I'll keep at it.  And you're right about me being rusty!  In a way, I wish I'd tried for a different job first, just to knock off some of the rust
[2023-10-18 01:54:19] <Lucifer_arma> but I expect to be better prepared for the next one, assuming this one's over (it may not be, we'll see, but there's no reason to get my hopes up)
[2023-10-18 01:54:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I expect to be better prepared for the next one, assuming this one's over (it may not be, we'll see, but there's no reason to get my hopes up)
[2023-10-18 01:55:11] <Lucifer_arma> also, one thing you learn from interviewing: what people are looking for.  So if I want to spend my time boosting my skills, that's a good place to find out what people want
[2023-10-18 01:55:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| also, one thing you learn from interviewing: what people are looking for.  So if I want to spend my time boosting my skills, that's a good place to find out what people want
[2023-10-18 01:56:47] <Lucifer_arma> I also learned that if I want to get O'Reilly to pay to move me somewhere else, I need to stick to internal job postings.  They have a policy of preferring to promote/hire from within, so I'm already a step ahead of any rando off the street
[2023-10-18 01:56:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also learned that if I want to get O'Reilly to pay to move me somewhere else, I need to stick to internal job postings.  They have a policy of preferring to promote/hire from within, so I'm already a step ahead of any rando off the street
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[2023-10-18 11:41:27] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Everytime I see retirement fund deductions on my check I get a little crisis. It feels like I'm saving for something that'll never happen (I'm mid 20s so minimum 25-30~ years til I can even consider it?)
[2023-10-18 11:41:28] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Everytime I see retirement fund deductions on my check I get a little crisis. It feels like I'm saving for something that'll never happen (I'm mid 20s so minimum 25-30~ years til I can even consider it?)
[2023-10-18 11:47:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Anyone have insight on how long to wait before doing internal applications? At my last job, I did not care at all about my future there, so I was applying with like 2-3 months clocked, but here I do care Abt my future. I want to try other roles, but I also don't wanna seem jumpy/disinterested. I want to apply to other roles cuz I like interviewing, trying new things and getting n <clipped message>
[2023-10-18 11:47:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Anyone have insight on how long to wait before doing internal applications? At my last job, I did not care at all about my future there, so I was applying with like 2-3 months clocked, but here I do care Abt my future. I want to try other roles, but I also don't wanna seem jumpy/disinterested. I want to apply to other roles cuz I like interviewing, trying new things and getting n <clipped message>
[2023-10-18 11:47:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| ew experiences [read: I want more money], but I still really enjoy my current position, and I wouldn't be at all upset about not getting a different role. I just hit a year here [as a ML Data Engineer], and there is a project manager position thats on a pillar (team/subsidiary~~) I think creates really cool features that id love to work with [and it pays very nicely] but idk if I <clipped message>
[2023-10-18 11:47:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| ew experiences [read: I want more money], but I still really enjoy my current position, and I wouldn't be at all upset about not getting a different role. I just hit a year here [as a ML Data Engineer], and there is a project manager position thats on a pillar (team/subsidiary~~) I think creates really cool features that id love to work with [and it pays very nicely] but idk if I <clipped message>
[2023-10-18 11:48:00] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades|  should apply 😭
[2023-10-18 11:48:01] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades|  should apply 😭
[2023-10-18 11:51:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I have no project management experience btw, but do have general managerial experience in tech/it. But I also had 0 formal experience in my current position, just self taught and I'm doing pretty well (self evaluation)
[2023-10-18 11:51:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I have no project management experience btw, but do have general managerial experience in tech/it. But I also had 0 formal experience in my current position, just self taught and I'm doing pretty well (self evaluation)
[2023-10-18 12:27:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| At least a year, if not two
[2023-10-18 12:27:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| At least a year, if not two
[2023-10-18 12:27:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| any quicker than that, you piss off more tenured people. Any slower and you miss the train. Adjust for the size/disposition of your own org
[2023-10-18 12:27:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| any quicker than that, you piss off more tenured people. Any slower and you miss the train. Adjust for the size/disposition of your own org
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[2023-10-18 17:22:50] <Juest> hi
[2023-10-18 17:22:50] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| hi
[2023-10-18 17:30:22] <Juest> im trying to join the discord and im not sure what are the three values that onboarding is asking for
[2023-10-18 17:30:23] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| im trying to join the discord and im not sure what are the three values that onboarding is asking for
[2023-10-18 17:30:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Don't be mean
[2023-10-18 17:30:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Don't be mean
[2023-10-18 17:31:10] <Juest> OHHHH
[2023-10-18 17:31:10] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| OHHHH
[2023-10-18 17:31:15] <Juest> sorry for my stupidity
[2023-10-18 17:31:16] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| sorry for my stupidity
[2023-10-18 17:31:26] <Juest> i didnt realize it was the first word of each of the points
[2023-10-18 17:31:26] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i didnt realize it was the first word of each of the points
[2023-10-18 17:31:31] <Juest> thanks @magi
[2023-10-18 17:31:32] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| thanks @magi
[2023-10-18 17:31:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| there we go
[2023-10-18 17:31:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| there we go
[2023-10-18 17:51:01] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| so yeah hi
[2023-10-18 17:51:02] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| so yeah hi
[2023-10-18 17:51:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i used to play armagetron back in 2016, 2019
[2023-10-18 17:51:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i used to play armagetron back in 2016, 2019
[2023-10-18 17:51:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i wonder if anyone remembers me
[2023-10-18 17:51:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i wonder if anyone remembers me
[2023-10-18 17:51:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont see any familiar faces so far
[2023-10-18 17:51:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont see any familiar faces so far
[2023-10-18 17:57:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im known as Juest online
[2023-10-18 17:57:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im known as Juest online
[2023-10-18 17:57:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Welcome back @Juesto , what game types did you play and did you go by Justeo then? A majority of users around currently play Sumo/Fortress or Classic Submarine.
[2023-10-18 17:57:57] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Welcome back @Juesto , what game types did you play and did you go by Justeo then? A majority of users around currently play Sumo/Fortress or Classic Submarine.
[2023-10-18 17:58:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Read my mind as I was typing heh
[2023-10-18 17:58:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Read my mind as I was typing heh
[2023-10-18 17:58:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| also, im having a issue on arch/artix with armagetron 0.2.9.1.0 where the game freezes when you go to multiplayer
[2023-10-18 17:58:26] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| also, im having a issue on arch/artix with armagetron 0.2.9.1.0 where the game freezes when you go to multiplayer
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[2023-10-18 17:59:08] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nah, i just realized that i forgot to mention that :)
[2023-10-18 17:59:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nah, i just realized that i forgot to mention that :)
[2023-10-18 18:00:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the upgrade path from 0.2.8.3.3 to 0.2.9.1.0?
[2023-10-18 18:00:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the upgrade path from 0.2.8.3.3 to 0.2.9.1.0?
[2023-10-18 18:01:02] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i also have old sty+ct+ap and armagetron experimental builds on windows
[2023-10-18 18:01:02] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i also have old sty+ct+ap and armagetron experimental builds on windows
[2023-10-18 18:01:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| from 2016/2015
[2023-10-18 18:01:06] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| from 2016/2015
[2023-10-18 18:06:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm still on 0.2.8 because stability was a bitch on my old system. afaik there's no path in as many words, just install latest and good to go. Config still works and all that.
[2023-10-18 18:06:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm still on 0.2.8 because stability was a bitch on my old system. afaik there's no path in as many words, just install latest and good to go. Config still works and all that.
[2023-10-18 18:06:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i see
[2023-10-18 18:06:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i see
[2023-10-18 18:06:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| config worked odd
[2023-10-18 18:06:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| config worked odd
[2023-10-18 18:06:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| um i forgot how to color your cycle different than the vehicle
[2023-10-18 18:06:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| um i forgot how to color your cycle different than the vehicle
[2023-10-18 18:07:03] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| specifying > 15 does it right?
[2023-10-18 18:07:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| specifying > 15 does it right?
[2023-10-18 18:07:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Either that or `bug_color_overflow`
[2023-10-18 18:07:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Either that or `bug_color_overflow`
[2023-10-18 18:07:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| iirc
[2023-10-18 18:07:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| iirc
[2023-10-18 18:09:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its set to 1
[2023-10-18 18:09:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its set to 1
[2023-10-18 18:09:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i had it cyan vehicle, brown cycle
[2023-10-18 18:09:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i had it cyan vehicle, brown cycle
[2023-10-18 18:09:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| entering player setup wipes what was set
[2023-10-18 18:09:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| entering player setup wipes what was set
[2023-10-18 18:10:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| honestly no idea then, I've never bothered so much
[2023-10-18 18:10:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| honestly no idea then, I've never bothered so much
[2023-10-18 18:11:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh well
[2023-10-18 18:11:16] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh well
[2023-10-18 18:15:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| thanks
[2023-10-18 18:15:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| thanks
[2023-10-18 18:15:56] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| figured it out  with a copy of my config
[2023-10-18 18:15:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| figured it out  with a copy of my config
[2023-10-18 18:19:28] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i got it wrong, it was brown vehicle, cyan cycle
[2023-10-18 18:19:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i got it wrong, it was brown vehicle, cyan cycle
[2023-10-18 18:19:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| kinda representing my favorite color and my country colors
[2023-10-18 18:19:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| kinda representing my favorite color and my country colors
[2023-10-18 18:19:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im from argentina
[2023-10-18 18:19:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im from argentina
[2023-10-18 18:20:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| anyways
[2023-10-18 18:20:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| anyways
[2023-10-18 18:20:27] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats up with the bot situation nowadays?
[2023-10-18 18:20:27] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats up with the bot situation nowadays?
[2023-10-18 18:20:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i just heard about it
[2023-10-18 18:20:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i just heard about it
[2023-10-18 18:28:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Honestly not much, just had a single guy in classic sub being a pain
[2023-10-18 18:28:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Honestly not much, just had a single guy in classic sub being a pain
[2023-10-18 18:28:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| argentina? For some reason my mind instantly went to jfacas, but he's portugal mb
[2023-10-18 18:28:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| argentina? For some reason my mind instantly went to jfacas, but he's portugal mb
[2023-10-18 18:29:31] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 18:29:32] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 18:32:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats your in-game handle?
[2023-10-18 18:32:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats your in-game handle?
[2023-10-18 18:35:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| delinquent
[2023-10-18 18:35:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| delinquent
[2023-10-18 18:35:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| but its SPOOPY season
[2023-10-18 18:35:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| but its SPOOPY season
[2023-10-18 18:35:44] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-18 18:35:44] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-18 18:37:22] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:justkoala| wasn't orion argentinian?
[2023-10-18 18:37:22] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:justkoala| wasn't orion argentinian?
[2023-10-18 18:37:31] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:justkoala| think he's the only other argentinian i know of
[2023-10-18 18:37:31] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:justkoala| think he's the only other argentinian i know of
[2023-10-18 18:38:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I knew there was someone
[2023-10-18 18:38:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I knew there was someone
[2023-10-18 18:54:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey i remember nelgtron, is he still active?
[2023-10-18 18:54:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey i remember nelgtron, is he still active?
[2023-10-18 18:55:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yep
[2023-10-18 18:55:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| yep
[2023-10-18 18:55:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @wwnelg
[2023-10-18 18:55:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @wwnelg
[2023-10-18 18:55:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 18:55:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 18:55:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i barely remember other names that i played with
[2023-10-18 18:55:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i barely remember other names that i played with
[2023-10-18 18:55:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| other than gaming4jc
[2023-10-18 18:55:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| other than gaming4jc
[2023-10-18 18:55:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| who unfortunately i have lost contact with and who i know from the re-volt community
[2023-10-18 18:55:56] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| who unfortunately i have lost contact with and who i know from the re-volt community
[2023-10-18 18:57:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| 0.2.9.x official release was done for steam?
[2023-10-18 18:57:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| 0.2.9.x official release was done for steam?
[2023-10-18 18:57:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| where i could get a newer copy of windows sources or windows binaries of sty+ct+ap?
[2023-10-18 18:57:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| where i could get a newer copy of windows sources or windows binaries of sty+ct+ap?
[2023-10-18 19:00:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm pretty sure sty/ct/ap are all merged in to the trunk, which is https://launchpad.net/armagetronad/0.2.9/0.2.9.1.0/+download/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.9.1.0.win32.exe
[2023-10-18 19:00:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm pretty sure sty/ct/ap are all merged in to the trunk, which is https://launchpad.net/armagetronad/0.2.9/0.2.9.1.0/+download/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.9.1.0.win32.exe
[2023-10-18 19:01:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| so its merged into 0.2.9.1 ?
[2023-10-18 19:01:18] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| so its merged into 0.2.9.1 ?
[2023-10-18 19:01:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| afaik yes
[2023-10-18 19:01:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| afaik yes
[2023-10-18 19:01:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah interesting
[2023-10-18 19:01:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah interesting
[2023-10-18 19:05:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| there's no support for msvc builds?
[2023-10-18 19:05:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| there's no support for msvc builds?
[2023-10-18 19:05:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| msvc is faster than gcc in windows
[2023-10-18 19:05:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| msvc is faster than gcc in windows
[2023-10-18 19:16:03] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Any value set from 16-30 will change the bikes color, 16 basically being 1 and 30 being 15. 
[2023-10-18 19:16:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Any value set from 16-30 will change the bikes color, 16 basically being 1 and 30 being 15. 
[2023-10-18 19:16:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Example of this would be 16 red 16 blue 0 green you'd have a black bike and a purple trail. But if you did 30 blue 16 red you'd get a blue bike, so theres a bunch of variations you can achieve by setting the number past 16 in the console, it'll default back to 15 if you enter the player menu however
[2023-10-18 19:16:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Example of this would be 16 red 16 blue 0 green you'd have a black bike and a purple trail. But if you did 30 blue 16 red you'd get a blue bike, so theres a bunch of variations you can achieve by setting the number past 16 in the console, it'll default back to 15 if you enter the player menu however
[2023-10-18 19:17:51] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah i think i know that
[2023-10-18 19:17:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah i think i know that
[2023-10-18 19:18:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking then
[2023-10-18 19:18:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking then
[2023-10-18 19:18:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Mb
[2023-10-18 19:18:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Mb
[2023-10-18 19:19:31] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| no worries, i didnt remember all that :D its just specific color combinations that i dont remember about figuring out
[2023-10-18 19:19:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| no worries, i didnt remember all that :D its just specific color combinations that i dont remember about figuring out
[2023-10-18 19:24:28] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| Usually I would just play around until I got combos I liked, I think there may be a generator on @wwnelg s website
[2023-10-18 19:24:28] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| Usually I would just play around until I got combos I liked, I think there may be a generator on @wwnelg s website
[2023-10-18 19:51:28] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nelg site could be added to #resources
[2023-10-18 19:51:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nelg site could be added to #resources
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[2023-10-18 20:51:15] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/imaginarychicken-peekaboo-chicken-funny-hello-gif-26042434
[2023-10-18 20:51:15] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/imaginarychicken-peekaboo-chicken-funny-hello-gif-26042434
[2023-10-18 20:53:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol
[2023-10-18 20:53:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol
[2023-10-18 22:40:02] <Lucifer_arma> @ZDHades: I'd go with whatever the policy is.  At my company, it's minimum six months.  Also, read the pulse of the team you're on right now.  Mine is very supportive, as long as I'm looking for an upward move and not a sideways move.
[2023-10-18 22:40:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @ZDHades: I'd go with whatever the policy is.  At my company, it's minimum six months.  Also, read the pulse of the team you're on right now.  Mine is very supportive, as long as I'm looking for an upward move and not a sideways move.
[2023-10-18 22:44:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| @zdhades ^
[2023-10-18 22:44:36] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| @zdhades ^
[2023-10-18 22:44:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| Lucifer_arma: it didnt ping btw
[2023-10-18 22:44:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| Lucifer_arma: it didnt ping btw
[2023-10-18 22:45:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| so there's some people that only use irc instead of discord?
[2023-10-18 22:45:13] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| so there's some people that only use irc instead of discord?
[2023-10-18 23:01:09] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| when was camera_forbird_mer added?
[2023-10-18 23:01:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| when was camera_forbird_mer added?
[2023-10-18 23:07:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, is it okay to ask questions here about everything armagetron? because i cannot join the other discords that would be more appropriate because im on 100 discord servers already which is the maximum without nitro
[2023-10-18 23:07:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, is it okay to ask questions here about everything armagetron? because i cannot join the other discords that would be more appropriate because im on 100 discord servers already which is the maximum without nitro
[2023-10-18 23:13:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| how exactly is armachesstron?
[2023-10-18 23:13:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| how exactly is armachesstron?
[2023-10-18 23:13:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| basically is it a discord for people who like chess?
[2023-10-18 23:13:36] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| basically is it a discord for people who like chess?
[2023-10-18 23:13:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| and the minecraft one is a server for us?
[2023-10-18 23:13:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| and the minecraft one is a server for us?
[2023-10-18 23:22:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey anyone know about active subcultures?
[2023-10-18 23:22:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey anyone know about active subcultures?
[2023-10-18 23:26:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh the durf server about tunnel maps _might_ ring a bell
[2023-10-18 23:26:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh the durf server about tunnel maps _might_ ring a bell
[2023-10-18 23:30:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why most servers are running 0.2.9 sty+ct+ap alphas?
[2023-10-18 23:30:38] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why most servers are running 0.2.9 sty+ct+ap alphas?
[2023-10-18 23:36:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| that always does it
[2023-10-18 23:36:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| that always does it
[2023-10-18 23:37:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| :(
[2023-10-18 23:37:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| :(
[2023-10-18 23:38:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| are there any tricks for causing the other player to get in between a micro tunnel you create? when you are tunnelling on the walls
[2023-10-18 23:38:33] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| are there any tricks for causing the other player to get in between a micro tunnel you create? when you are tunnelling on the walls
[2023-10-18 23:39:02] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Lucifer: Our data org is pretty small and people swap within it quite a bit, but i have low attention span + am greedy so i want to do major switches. havnt seen that at all here. Ppl just go I -> II -> III /// jr -> sr in the same roll for like 20 years. I would rather die than do the same thing for that long xd
[2023-10-18 23:39:02] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Lucifer: Our data org is pretty small and people swap within it quite a bit, but i have low attention span + am greedy so i want to do major switches. havnt seen that at all here. Ppl just go I -> II -> III /// jr -> sr in the same roll for like 20 years. I would rather die than do the same thing for that long xd
[2023-10-18 23:40:18] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| idm swapping industries doing the same sorta job, because theres still tons new to learn, but I quite like the company and would prefer to stay
[2023-10-18 23:40:19] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| idm swapping industries doing the same sorta job, because theres still tons new to learn, but I quite like the company and would prefer to stay
[2023-10-18 23:40:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I havn't seen any specific company policy for internal apps tho, will take a deeper look tomm
[2023-10-18 23:40:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| I havn't seen any specific company policy for internal apps tho, will take a deeper look tomm
[2023-10-18 23:48:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetronad.org is not updated anymore? says the latest is 0.2.9.1.0 when its 0.2.9.1.1
[2023-10-18 23:48:13] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetronad.org is not updated anymore? says the latest is 0.2.9.1.0 when its 0.2.9.1.1
[2023-10-18 23:48:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| linux distros are updated to that version afaik
[2023-10-18 23:48:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| linux distros are updated to that version afaik
[2023-10-18 23:48:33] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: yes, there are irc-only users here, and yes you can ask anything
[2023-10-18 23:48:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: yes, there are irc-only users here, and yes you can ask anything
[2023-10-18 23:48:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i know its bridged to irc :)
[2023-10-18 23:48:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i know its bridged to irc :)
[2023-10-18 23:48:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-18 23:48:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-18 23:49:33] <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd like to stay in the automotive industry for now, but I'd definitely like to move to *any* role that pays more money
[2023-10-18 23:49:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think I'd like to stay in the automotive industry for now, but I'd definitely like to move to *any* role that pays more money
[2023-10-18 23:49:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| programmer? ;)
[2023-10-18 23:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| programmer? ;)
[2023-10-18 23:50:17] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: I'll be looking at programming jobs again soonish.  Apparently our internal site is probably hosted on Tomcat, which means I need Java to get that job
[2023-10-18 23:50:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: I'll be looking at programming jobs again soonish.  Apparently our internal site is probably hosted on Tomcat, which means I need Java to get that job
[2023-10-18 23:50:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ooh interesting, good luck with that
[2023-10-18 23:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ooh interesting, good luck with that
[2023-10-18 23:50:48] <Lucifer_arma> I *think* our parts catalog/POS software is GTK-based, but it could be java as well.  If it's C/C++, or better yet, Python, I'd go for it in a heartbeat
[2023-10-18 23:50:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I *think* our parts catalog/POS software is GTK-based, but it could be java as well.  If it's C/C++, or better yet, Python, I'd go for it in a heartbeat
[2023-10-18 23:51:01] <Lucifer_arma> pretty sure the public website is also jsp
[2023-10-18 23:51:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| pretty sure the public website is also jsp
[2023-10-18 23:51:44] <Lucifer_arma> a lot of the internal job postings are asking for shit I know I don't know, but since the company gives significant preferences to internal applicants, I'll look again
[2023-10-18 23:51:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| a lot of the internal job postings are asking for shit I know I don't know, but since the company gives significant preferences to internal applicants, I'll look again
[2023-10-18 23:52:19] <Lucifer_arma> I'll also take a role that moves me across the country to probably anywhere, even if it's same pay, especially if it's same pay to a lower cost of living place (I'm in one of the most expensive parts of the country)
[2023-10-18 23:52:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll also take a role that moves me across the country to probably anywhere, even if it's same pay, especially if it's same pay to a lower cost of living place (I'm in one of the most expensive parts of the country)
[2023-10-18 23:52:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| for some reason the durf tunnel maps server gives me a freeze on map load
[2023-10-18 23:52:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| for some reason the durf tunnel maps server gives me a freeze on map load
[2023-10-18 23:52:57] <Lucifer_arma> I've recently taken up Python/Flask, and I know that's in demand, but I don't know if my company uses it
[2023-10-18 23:52:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've recently taken up Python/Flask, and I know that's in demand, but I don't know if my company uses it
[2023-10-18 23:54:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nice
[2023-10-18 23:54:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nice
[2023-10-18 23:56:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| should i build my own copies of armagetronad on windows?
[2023-10-18 23:56:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| should i build my own copies of armagetronad on windows?
[2023-10-18 23:57:00] <Lucifer_arma> you should find an 0.4 build and use that, and if you can't, build it :)
[2023-10-18 23:57:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you should find an 0.4 build and use that, and if you can't, build it :)
[2023-10-18 23:57:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why 0.4?
[2023-10-18 23:57:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why 0.4?
[2023-10-18 23:57:29] <Lucifer_arma> because it has /music/
[2023-10-18 23:57:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| because it has /music/
[2023-10-18 23:57:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im fine with 0.2.8/0.2.9
[2023-10-18 23:57:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im fine with 0.2.8/0.2.9
[2023-10-18 23:57:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| music isnt the only reason
[2023-10-18 23:57:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| music isnt the only reason
[2023-10-18 23:57:55] <Lucifer_arma> better graphics
[2023-10-18 23:57:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| better graphics
[2023-10-18 23:58:00] <Lucifer_arma> a cockpit
[2023-10-18 23:58:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| a cockpit
[2023-10-18 23:58:22] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hows the cockpit exactly?
[2023-10-18 23:58:22] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hows the cockpit exactly?
[2023-10-18 23:58:29] <Lucifer_arma> that reminds me, I should build it and start playing again sometime
[2023-10-18 23:58:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that reminds me, I should build it and start playing again sometime
[2023-10-18 23:58:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| like when you switch to cockpit you get that?
[2023-10-18 23:58:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| like when you switch to cockpit you get that?
[2023-10-18 23:58:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| sounds like a unnecessary cosmetic feature lol
[2023-10-18 23:58:40] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| sounds like a unnecessary cosmetic feature lol
[2023-10-18 23:58:43] <Lucifer_arma> you know, instead of conquering the world in freeciv, I could be crashing into someone's walls
[2023-10-18 23:58:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you know, instead of conquering the world in freeciv, I could be crashing into someone's walls
[2023-10-18 23:58:56] <Lucifer_arma> no, it's a really good HUD
[2023-10-18 23:58:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, it's a really good HUD
[2023-10-18 23:58:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 23:58:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-18 23:59:12] <Lucifer_arma> I designed one that I use that puts the rubber and brake bars right in the middle of the screen so I don't have to move my eyes to see them
[2023-10-18 23:59:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I designed one that I use that puts the rubber and brake bars right in the middle of the screen so I don't have to move my eyes to see them
[2023-10-18 23:59:31] <Lucifer_arma> it's an xml file that you can use to build just about any kind of HUD you can imagine
[2023-10-18 23:59:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's an xml file that you can use to build just about any kind of HUD you can imagine

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[2023-10-19 00:00:02] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i remember dabbling with that a bit
[2023-10-19 00:00:02] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i remember dabbling with that a bit
[2023-10-19 00:00:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| but meh
[2023-10-19 00:00:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| but meh
[2023-10-19 00:00:13] <Lucifer_arma> mine also shows enemies/teammates alive, so at a glance you can tell if you should fall back and defend or keep attacking
[2023-10-19 00:00:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| mine also shows enemies/teammates alive, so at a glance you can tell if you should fall back and defend or keep attacking
[2023-10-19 00:00:31] <Lucifer_arma> and a minimap.  <3 the minimap
[2023-10-19 00:00:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and a minimap.  <3 the minimap
[2023-10-19 00:01:11] <Lucifer_arma> but I need to turn my thermostat up before I can play.  I'm shivering so much people would ask if I started drinking agin
[2023-10-19 00:01:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I need to turn my thermostat up before I can play.  I'm shivering so much people would ask if I started drinking agin
[2023-10-19 00:01:16] <Lucifer_arma> *again
[2023-10-19 00:01:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *again
[2023-10-19 00:01:46] <Lucifer_arma> woo, 120 days sober today.  Nice
[2023-10-19 00:01:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| woo, 120 days sober today.  Nice
[2023-10-19 00:03:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oof
[2023-10-19 00:03:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oof
[2023-10-19 00:04:04] <Lucifer_arma> I didn't hear back from the IT recruiter today, but she's probably interviewing other people
[2023-10-19 00:04:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I didn't hear back from the IT recruiter today, but she's probably interviewing other people
[2023-10-19 00:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| who should i ask technical questions about the game builds?
[2023-10-19 00:42:36] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| who should i ask technical questions about the game builds?
[2023-10-19 00:42:38] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| z-man?
[2023-10-19 00:42:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| z-man?
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[2023-10-19 05:50:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Apart from zman, I think Nelg, light, orly, monkey, and stereo have written here about building on linux, if that’s what you need help with
[2023-10-19 05:50:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Apart from zman, I think Nelg, light, orly, monkey, and stereo have written here about building on linux, if that’s what you need help with
[2023-10-19 11:08:42] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:schplorf| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/682188160419364875/1014587302074404875/tuxSpin.gif
[2023-10-19 11:08:43] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:schplorf| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/682188160419364875/1014587302074404875/tuxSpin.gif
[2023-10-19 11:08:45] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:schplorf| get schplorfed
[2023-10-19 11:08:45] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:schplorf| get schplorfed
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[2023-10-19 11:30:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| a triumphant return
[2023-10-19 11:30:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| a triumphant return
[2023-10-19 11:32:19] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| are any of those active nowadays? how about windows and macos?
[2023-10-19 11:32:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| are any of those active nowadays? how about windows and macos?
[2023-10-19 11:33:55] <armagetron-bridge> 11discord:Deso| there's a pinned message in the #support channel on macos builds
[2023-10-19 11:33:55] <armagetronbridge> 11discord:Deso| there's a pinned message in the #support channel on macos builds
[2023-10-19 11:35:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah good to know, i have a mac mini late 2014 i dont really use but i was just curious anyways. thanks :)
[2023-10-19 11:35:57] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah good to know, i have a mac mini late 2014 i dont really use but i was just curious anyways. thanks :)
[2023-10-19 11:36:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| does windows building require a lot of stuff or just codeblocks and sdl?
[2023-10-19 11:36:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| does windows building require a lot of stuff or just codeblocks and sdl?
[2023-10-19 11:37:42] <Armanelgtron> there are wiki pages for building both on windows and linux: https://wiki.armagetronad.org/Windows_Development https://wiki.armagetronad.org/Linux_Development
[2023-10-19 11:37:43] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| there are wiki pages for building both on windows and linux: https://wiki.armagetronad.org/Windows_Development https://wiki.armagetronad.org/Linux_Development
[2023-10-19 11:37:50] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| right
[2023-10-19 11:37:51] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| right
[2023-10-19 11:37:58] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hi nelg :)
[2023-10-19 11:37:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hi nelg :)
[2023-10-19 11:38:47] <Armanelgtron> hi
[2023-10-19 11:38:48] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| hi
[2023-10-19 11:39:04] <Armanelgtron> do you have any specific questions
[2023-10-19 11:39:05] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| do you have any specific questions
[2023-10-19 11:39:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah not sure, im just looking into building from source code because of the outdatedness of armagetronad builds
[2023-10-19 11:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah not sure, im just looking into building from source code because of the outdatedness of armagetronad builds
[2023-10-19 11:39:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| do i need a older version of codeblocks really?
[2023-10-19 11:39:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| do i need a older version of codeblocks really?
[2023-10-19 11:40:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Idk if it’s marked in the support channel anywhere but the macports build works for me on mac. Except one of the colors is a little off 🤔
[2023-10-19 11:40:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Idk if it’s marked in the support channel anywhere but the macports build works for me on mac. Except one of the colors is a little off 🤔
[2023-10-19 11:41:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| what determines the order of your cycle in the walls?
[2023-10-19 11:41:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| what determines the order of your cycle in the walls?
[2023-10-19 11:41:27] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i've tried to dump someone with the wall but failed
[2023-10-19 11:41:28] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i've tried to dump someone with the wall but failed
[2023-10-19 11:42:26] <Armanelgtron> nah, i built with codeblocks 20.03, maybe newer versions will work as well
[2023-10-19 11:42:26] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| nah, i built with codeblocks 20.03, maybe newer versions will work as well
[2023-10-19 11:44:09] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, wiki is outdated then :/
[2023-10-19 11:44:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, wiki is outdated then :/
[2023-10-19 11:44:16] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i could help with that but its a chore
[2023-10-19 11:44:16] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i could help with that but its a chore
[2023-10-19 11:44:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| what client changes do sty+ap+ct have?
[2023-10-19 11:44:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| what client changes do sty+ap+ct have?
[2023-10-19 11:48:24] <Armanelgtron> mostly tab completion for names and admin/console commands (borrowed from 0.4), hide_cycles, scoreboard changes
[2023-10-19 11:48:24] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| mostly tab completion for names and admin/console commands (borrowed from 0.4), hide_cycles, scoreboard changes
[2023-10-19 11:50:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it not possible to toggle vsync?
[2023-10-19 11:50:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it not possible to toggle vsync?
[2023-10-19 11:51:32] <Armanelgtron> well that's in 0.4 but it hasn't been backported to any 0.2 versions afaik
[2023-10-19 11:51:32] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| well that's in 0.4 but it hasn't been backported to any 0.2 versions afaik
[2023-10-19 11:51:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i see, bummer
[2023-10-19 11:51:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i see, bummer
[2023-10-19 11:51:56] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why msvc was ditched?
[2023-10-19 11:51:58] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why msvc was ditched?
[2023-10-19 11:52:04] <Armanelgtron> no idea
[2023-10-19 11:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| no idea
[2023-10-19 11:52:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| in runtime msvc is known to be faster on windows, it may also be slightly smaller
[2023-10-19 11:52:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| in runtime msvc is known to be faster on windows, it may also be slightly smaller
[2023-10-19 11:52:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| talking in general
[2023-10-19 11:52:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| talking in general
[2023-10-19 11:53:48] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| um, any idea why people stopped playing this game?
[2023-10-19 11:53:48] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| um, any idea why people stopped playing this game?
[2023-10-19 11:53:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its still fun as it was before
[2023-10-19 11:53:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its still fun as it was before
[2023-10-19 11:54:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i used to play on the circle map with high rubber and high speeds
[2023-10-19 11:54:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i used to play on the circle map with high rubber and high speeds
[2023-10-19 11:54:20] <Armanelgtron> ah fast track?
[2023-10-19 11:54:22] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Armanelgtron| ah fast track?
[2023-10-19 11:54:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah i think
[2023-10-19 11:54:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah i think
[2023-10-19 11:54:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i feel im not capable of turning very quickly with double binds
[2023-10-19 11:54:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i feel im not capable of turning very quickly with double binds
[2023-10-19 11:56:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| and the custom wacky maps for racing and custom arenas
[2023-10-19 11:56:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| and the custom wacky maps for racing and custom arenas
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[2023-10-19 13:18:26] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| is there a reason why valve or someone disliked/disallowed the armagetron advanced branding?
[2023-10-19 13:18:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| is there a reason why valve or someone disliked/disallowed the armagetron advanced branding?
[2023-10-19 15:18:02] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, is it possible that different builds give more lag?
[2023-10-19 15:18:02] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, is it possible that different builds give more lag?
[2023-10-19 16:49:48] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| when did the people go away from this game?
[2023-10-19 16:49:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| when did the people go away from this game?
[2023-10-19 17:06:44] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| after 1980's
[2023-10-19 17:06:44] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| after 1980's
[2023-10-19 17:07:13] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| I used to play Tron arcade  :)
[2023-10-19 17:07:14] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| I used to play Tron arcade  :)
[2023-10-19 17:07:20] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| the lightcycles
[2023-10-19 17:07:20] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| the lightcycles
[2023-10-19 17:12:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh come on
[2023-10-19 17:12:01] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh come on
[2023-10-19 17:12:36] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| \
[2023-10-19 17:12:37] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| \
[2023-10-19 17:13:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im wondering about armagetron advanced
[2023-10-19 17:13:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im wondering about armagetron advanced
[2023-10-19 17:13:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| when it became deserted?
[2023-10-19 17:13:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| when it became deserted?
[2023-10-19 17:15:50] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/tron-legacy-tron-tumblr-gif-21347752
[2023-10-19 17:15:50] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/tron-legacy-tron-tumblr-gif-21347752
[2023-10-19 18:05:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| how people do those tight turns so easily?
[2023-10-19 18:05:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| how people do those tight turns so easily?
[2023-10-19 19:49:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| I think the general consensus is that this game was at its most popular during the 2006-2010/11 period which is when a majority of players were introduced during teenage years while at school. Once they graduated and went to college or started working less and less people played. The introduction of games on smart phones probably hurt the amount of people finding this game at sch <clipped message>
[2023-10-19 19:49:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| I think the general consensus is that this game was at its most popular during the 2006-2010/11 period which is when a majority of players were introduced during teenage years while at school. Once they graduated and went to college or started working less and less people played. The introduction of games on smart phones probably hurt the amount of people finding this game at sch <clipped message>
[2023-10-19 19:49:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:magi| ool as well. So roughly around 2012-2015 less and less people played and eventually some figures in the community started having malicious intentions towards the game and would DDoS the servers so it died down for a few years. It came back to life (sorta) around when the pandemic happened
[2023-10-19 19:49:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:magi| ool as well. So roughly around 2012-2015 less and less people played and eventually some figures in the community started having malicious intentions towards the game and would DDoS the servers so it died down for a few years. It came back to life (sorta) around when the pandemic happened
[2023-10-19 19:50:50] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| i played the 90's arcade game and was delighted to find it available on linux when i switched from windows
[2023-10-19 19:50:53] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| i played the 90's arcade game and was delighted to find it available on linux when i switched from windows
[2023-10-19 19:53:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-19 19:53:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-19 20:00:07] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/quorra-olivia-wilde-tron-legacy-tron-tumblr-gif-21337801
[2023-10-19 20:00:07] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:velvetblueeyes| https://tenor.com/view/quorra-olivia-wilde-tron-legacy-tron-tumblr-gif-21337801
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[2023-10-19 22:14:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I have a friend that looks like her, it's really crazy. Blond hair though.
[2023-10-19 22:14:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I have a friend that looks like her, it's really crazy. Blond hair though.

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[2023-10-20 00:17:16] <Lucifer_arma> msvc was ditched because nobody wanted to take the time to maintain it, and mingw had gotten acceptably fast on windows, and in some cases is actually faster
[2023-10-20 00:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| msvc was ditched because nobody wanted to take the time to maintain it, and mingw had gotten acceptably fast on windows, and in some cases is actually faster
[2023-10-20 00:18:16] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if msvc has gotten faster again, but I know that when we made the change, it was NOT faster anymore, and targetting one compiler across all platforms is much simpler than targetting several compilers
[2023-10-20 00:18:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know if msvc has gotten faster again, but I know that when we made the change, it was NOT faster anymore, and targetting one compiler across all platforms is much simpler than targetting several compilers
[2023-10-20 00:18:45] <Lucifer_arma> the branding thing happened because someone (I forget who, but it's in the Redhat world, so it may have been Fedora) was worried they'd get sued if they kept the word "tron" in the name
[2023-10-20 00:18:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the branding thing happened because someone (I forget who, but it's in the Redhat world, so it may have been Fedora) was worried they'd get sued if they kept the word "tron" in the name
[2023-10-20 00:19:05] <Lucifer_arma> I thought the vsync options were in 0.2, just no GUI selector?
[2023-10-20 00:19:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I thought the vsync options were in 0.2, just no GUI selector?
[2023-10-20 00:19:35] <Lucifer_arma> to answer if it's possible for different builds to give more lag, you'd need to define lag :)
[2023-10-20 00:19:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| to answer if it's possible for different builds to give more lag, you'd need to define lag :)
[2023-10-20 00:20:18] <Lucifer_arma> there's no specific reason one compiler should have more network latency than another, but it is "possible"
[2023-10-20 00:20:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's no specific reason one compiler should have more network latency than another, but it is "possible"
[2023-10-20 00:21:16] <Lucifer_arma> I think we'd have been able to grow our popularity more, but there were a lot of things happening at once.  I got divorced, Z-man got a job/married/had a kid.  Tank went to college.  That's the Evil Triumvirate right there.
[2023-10-20 00:21:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think we'd have been able to grow our popularity more, but there were a lot of things happening at once.  I got divorced, Z-man got a job/married/had a kid.  Tank went to college.  That's the Evil Triumvirate right there.
[2023-10-20 00:21:41] <Lucifer_arma> I've only recently fully recovered from that first divorce, and in the meantime, I got married, became an alcoholic, and got divorced again.  These days, I'm focused on a non-armagetron project.
[2023-10-20 00:21:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've only recently fully recovered from that first divorce, and in the meantime, I got married, became an alcoholic, and got divorced again.  These days, I'm focused on a non-armagetron project.
[2023-10-20 00:22:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nope
[2023-10-20 00:22:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nope
[2023-10-20 00:22:26] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr had a lot of personal problems as well, and then apparently he was a bitcoin founder.  I thought he just fell in with a bad crowd.
[2023-10-20 00:22:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| luke-jr had a lot of personal problems as well, and then apparently he was a bitcoin founder.  I thought he just fell in with a bad crowd.
[2023-10-20 00:22:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| re vsync in 0.2, doesnt seem like its the case
[2023-10-20 00:22:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| re vsync in 0.2, doesnt seem like its the case
[2023-10-20 00:22:55] <Lucifer_arma> nemo moved on in life, and he was our mac maintainer.  Philippeqc moved on, wrtlprnft moved on.
[2023-10-20 00:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| nemo moved on in life, and he was our mac maintainer.  Philippeqc moved on, wrtlprnft moved on.
[2023-10-20 00:23:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it the same nemo as on hedgewars?
[2023-10-20 00:23:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| is it the same nemo as on hedgewars?
[2023-10-20 00:23:26] <Lucifer_arma> no.  Nemostultae.
[2023-10-20 00:23:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no.  Nemostultae.
[2023-10-20 00:23:32] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh okay
[2023-10-20 00:23:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh okay
[2023-10-20 00:23:40] <Lucifer_arma> It's possible he's resurfaced on hedgewars, but he also dropped his name here when he left
[2023-10-20 00:23:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It's possible he's resurfaced on hedgewars, but he also dropped his name here when he left
[2023-10-20 00:23:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| nemo on hedgewars was a lontime person
[2023-10-20 00:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| nemo on hedgewars was a lontime person
[2023-10-20 00:23:58] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| longtime*
[2023-10-20 00:23:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| longtime*
[2023-10-20 00:24:34] <Lucifer_arma> this was like 15 years ago, there's plenty of time for him to have moved on from here to hedgewars and be there for a long time :)
[2023-10-20 00:24:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this was like 15 years ago, there's plenty of time for him to have moved on from here to hedgewars and be there for a long time :)
[2023-10-20 00:24:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| no idea ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| no idea ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:26] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know either, but I can tell you his first name is Daniel, so if the nemo in hedgewars is also named Daniel, it's worth following up ;)
[2023-10-20 00:25:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know either, but I can tell you his first name is Daniel, so if the nemo in hedgewars is also named Daniel, it's worth following up ;)
[2023-10-20 00:26:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| dont know his name
[2023-10-20 00:26:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| dont know his name
[2023-10-20 00:26:56] <Lucifer_arma> Z-man's been periodically updating to keep arma compiling on newer compilers.  I don't know that anything else has been done.
[2023-10-20 00:26:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Z-man's been periodically updating to keep arma compiling on newer compilers.  I don't know that anything else has been done.
[2023-10-20 00:27:48] <Lucifer_arma> I made a push a few years back to get 0.4 out the door, but then my alcoholism basically took over my life.  I started up again after rehab, but that was also when my marriage entered it's last mile.  SO, chaos.
[2023-10-20 00:27:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I made a push a few years back to get 0.4 out the door, but then my alcoholism basically took over my life.  I started up again after rehab, but that was also when my marriage entered it's last mile.  SO, chaos.
[2023-10-20 00:28:41] <Lucifer_arma> I'm looking forward to getting the stockanalyst up and running in a way that it doesn't require so much attention from me so I can focus on other projects in my free time, and arma will come up again, but it's just not possible right now for me to predict when that will happen
[2023-10-20 00:28:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm looking forward to getting the stockanalyst up and running in a way that it doesn't require so much attention from me so I can focus on other projects in my free time, and arma will come up again, but it's just not possible right now for me to predict when that will happen
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im sorry to hear that
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im sorry to hear that
[2023-10-20 00:29:33] <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, in the event that the stockanalyst makes me rich :) we'll get a full-time developer/team, but don't count on that.  Let's not spend money we don't have.  ;)
[2023-10-20 00:29:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and yeah, in the event that the stockanalyst makes me rich :) we'll get a full-time developer/team, but don't count on that.  Let's not spend money we don't have.  ;)
[2023-10-20 00:29:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hopefully you can get things going
[2023-10-20 00:29:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hopefully you can get things going
[2023-10-20 00:30:03] <Lucifer_arma> sober today for 121 days, though.  So that's a thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:30:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| sober today for 121 days, though.  So that's a thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:30:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| congrats
[2023-10-20 00:30:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| congrats
[2023-10-20 00:32:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it could be
[2023-10-20 00:32:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it could be
[2023-10-20 00:32:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| member in hedgewars for 14 years  38 weeks
[2023-10-20 00:32:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| member in hedgewars for 14 years  38 weeks
[2023-10-20 00:32:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| re: nemo
[2023-10-20 00:32:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| re: nemo
[2023-10-20 00:32:47] <Lucifer_arma> It's a fair possibility.  He was playing hedgewars a lot right before he left here
[2023-10-20 00:32:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It's a fair possibility.  He was playing hedgewars a lot right before he left here
[2023-10-20 00:32:52] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| :D
[2023-10-20 00:32:52] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| :D
[2023-10-20 00:32:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| bingo
[2023-10-20 00:32:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| bingo
[2023-10-20 00:33:14] * Lucifer_arma looks for a hedgewars irc channel
[2023-10-20 00:33:15] * armagetronbridge 10irc:Lucifer_arma| looks for a hedgewars irc channel
[2023-10-20 00:33:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| on libera #hedgewars
[2023-10-20 00:33:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| on libera #hedgewars
[2023-10-20 00:33:38] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it used to be on freenode
[2023-10-20 00:33:38] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it used to be on freenode
[2023-10-20 00:33:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetron was always on oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:33:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| armagetron was always on oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:33:57] <Lucifer_arma> no, we used to be on freenode too
[2023-10-20 00:33:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, we used to be on freenode too
[2023-10-20 00:34:03] <Lucifer_arma> we moved when the jackass took over freenode
[2023-10-20 00:34:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we moved when the jackass took over freenode
[2023-10-20 00:34:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why the move to oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:34:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why the move to oftc?
[2023-10-20 00:34:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why oftc instead of libera?
[2023-10-20 00:34:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why oftc instead of libera?
[2023-10-20 00:34:19] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| which a lot of people moved to
[2023-10-20 00:34:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| which a lot of people moved to
[2023-10-20 00:36:44] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know why oftc over libera.  oftc is debian.  I don't know about libera.  It's possible libera didn't exist yet.
[2023-10-20 00:36:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know why oftc over libera.  oftc is debian.  I don't know about libera.  It's possible libera didn't exist yet.
[2023-10-20 00:36:58] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| libera existed as early as may 19 2021
[2023-10-20 00:36:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| libera existed as early as may 19 2021
[2023-10-20 00:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oftc existed before
[2023-10-20 00:37:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oftc existed before
[2023-10-20 00:37:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| a lot of channels registered on that day
[2023-10-20 00:37:18] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| a lot of channels registered on that day
[2023-10-20 00:37:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| debian moved to oftc? huh
[2023-10-20 00:37:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| debian moved to oftc? huh
[2023-10-20 00:37:31] <Lucifer_arma> I thought we made the move before I went to rehab, which was november 2018
[2023-10-20 00:37:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I thought we made the move before I went to rehab, which was november 2018
[2023-10-20 00:37:37] <Lucifer_arma> no, oftc is part of debian
[2023-10-20 00:37:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, oftc is part of debian
[2023-10-20 00:37:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh interesting
[2023-10-20 00:37:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| oh interesting
[2023-10-20 00:37:44] <Lucifer_arma> owned by debian, something like that
[2023-10-20 00:37:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| owned by debian, something like that
[2023-10-20 00:37:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ye got it
[2023-10-20 00:37:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ye got it
[2023-10-20 00:38:05] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| aw, the irc relay doesnt support replies
[2023-10-20 00:38:05] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| aw, the irc relay doesnt support replies
[2023-10-20 00:38:08] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or edits
[2023-10-20 00:38:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or edits
[2023-10-20 00:38:17] <Lucifer_arma> irc doesn't support those things
[2023-10-20 00:38:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| irc doesn't support those things
[2023-10-20 00:38:27] <Juest> people have made things to support that
[2023-10-20 00:38:27] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| people have made things to support that
[2023-10-20 00:38:43] <Juest> there's a way to translate the replies part
[2023-10-20 00:38:43] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| there's a way to translate the replies part
[2023-10-20 00:39:04] <Lucifer_arma> sure, but delinquent made this bot himself, I believe
[2023-10-20 00:39:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| sure, but delinquent made this bot himself, I believe
[2023-10-20 00:39:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-20 00:39:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i see
[2023-10-20 00:39:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| guess its not up to date with the discord features or he chose not to implement
[2023-10-20 00:39:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| guess its not up to date with the discord features or he chose not to implement
[2023-10-20 00:39:41] <Lucifer_arma> I think it was a quick and dirty thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:39:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think it was a quick and dirty thing :)
[2023-10-20 00:40:23] <Lucifer_arma> there's a SWAG stock symbol.  I giggle a little bit everytime I see it
[2023-10-20 00:40:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a SWAG stock symbol.  I giggle a little bit everytime I see it
[2023-10-20 00:40:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-20 00:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| heh
[2023-10-20 00:41:25] <Lucifer_arma> when I get there with real money, I'm going to direct the stockanalyst to buy some DAVE, for hopefully obvious reasons
[2023-10-20 00:41:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| when I get there with real money, I'm going to direct the stockanalyst to buy some DAVE, for hopefully obvious reasons
[2023-10-20 00:41:39] <Lucifer_arma> (I've been thinking about opening an account with them, actually)
[2023-10-20 00:41:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (I've been thinking about opening an account with them, actually)
[2023-10-20 00:41:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting
[2023-10-20 00:41:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting
[2023-10-20 00:42:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| good luck in your stock/finance endeavors
[2023-10-20 00:42:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| good luck in your stock/finance endeavors
[2023-10-20 00:59:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the yellow submarine config referred to exactly?
[2023-10-20 00:59:12] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| whats the yellow submarine config referred to exactly?
[2023-10-20 00:59:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| referring*
[2023-10-20 00:59:21] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| referring*
[2023-10-20 02:07:10] <Lucifer_arma> old server called yellow submarine
[2023-10-20 02:07:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| old server called yellow submarine
[2023-10-20 02:07:12] <Lucifer_arma> it's where we all live
[2023-10-20 02:07:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's where we all live
[2023-10-20 02:20:28] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, what kind of config did it have?
[2023-10-20 02:20:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah, what kind of config did it have?
[2023-10-20 02:20:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im not familiar with it
[2023-10-20 02:20:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im not familiar with it
[2023-10-20 02:48:15] <Lucifer_arma> idk.  I never played there
[2023-10-20 02:48:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| idk.  I never played there
[2023-10-20 02:48:26] <Lucifer_arma> I was Breakfast/Fortress
[2023-10-20 02:48:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was Breakfast/Fortress
[2023-10-20 02:48:43] <Lucifer_arma> random question.  Did I slip into a parallel universe where margin and padding meanings flipped?
[2023-10-20 02:48:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| random question.  Did I slip into a parallel universe where margin and padding meanings flipped?
[2023-10-20 02:49:20] <Lucifer_arma> I remember padding being the area outside the element and margin being inside the element.  So padding: 4x; would put four pixels of padding on the outside of the border, but margin: 2em; would put a 2em margin between the border and the content
[2023-10-20 02:49:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I remember padding being the area outside the element and margin being inside the element.  So padding: 4x; would put four pixels of padding on the outside of the border, but margin: 2em; would put a 2em margin between the border and the content
[2023-10-20 02:49:29] <Lucifer_arma> it's definitely the other way around now
[2023-10-20 02:49:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's definitely the other way around now
[2023-10-20 02:49:45] <Lucifer_arma> did that change?  Or did I slip into a parallel universe that's weird as shit?
[2023-10-20 02:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| did that change?  Or did I slip into a parallel universe that's weird as shit?
[2023-10-20 03:15:55] <Lucifer_arma> last question, then I'm putting my computer away and finishing my evening
[2023-10-20 03:15:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| last question, then I'm putting my computer away and finishing my evening
[2023-10-20 03:16:13] <Lucifer_arma> if you have a tabwidget on a web page, do you think it should be server-side or client-side?
[2023-10-20 03:16:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if you have a tabwidget on a web page, do you think it should be server-side or client-side?
[2023-10-20 03:16:54] <Lucifer_arma> so, server-side means each tab has it's own url.  The advantage is that when you click on a tab, you get something that's easily refreshed because it has its own url.
[2023-10-20 03:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so, server-side means each tab has it's own url.  The advantage is that when you click on a tab, you get something that's easily refreshed because it has its own url.
[2023-10-20 03:17:03] <Lucifer_arma> The disadvantage is that there's a new load time for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The disadvantage is that there's a new load time for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:40] <Lucifer_arma> client-side means javascript.  You *can* use cookies to determine which tab you're on and restore state when you refresh, but there's no url for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:17:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| client-side means javascript.  You *can* use cookies to determine which tab you're on and restore state when you refresh, but there's no url for each tab.
[2023-10-20 03:19:01] <Lucifer_arma> the alternative solution for what I'm doing is to have a second navbar somewhere on the page.  I'm considering making a tree navigation widget where each branch opens based on what page you're on, and making it possible to expand the tree manually so you can click to any of the pages in the tree
[2023-10-20 03:19:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the alternative solution for what I'm doing is to have a second navbar somewhere on the page.  I'm considering making a tree navigation widget where each branch opens based on what page you're on, and making it possible to expand the tree manually so you can click to any of the pages in the tree
[2023-10-20 03:19:14] <Lucifer_arma> obvious advantage: you can visit any other page within two clicks.
[2023-10-20 03:19:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| obvious advantage: you can visit any other page within two clicks.
[2023-10-20 03:19:33] <Lucifer_arma> obvious disadvantage: coding time.  I don't want to get distracted right now writing UI when I'm still working on the simulation.
[2023-10-20 03:19:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| obvious disadvantage: coding time.  I don't want to get distracted right now writing UI when I'm still working on the simulation.
[2023-10-20 03:19:52] <Lucifer_arma> So the tabwidget is the compromise.  It gives me a decent UI for a small amount of code that works right now.
[2023-10-20 03:19:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So the tabwidget is the compromise.  It gives me a decent UI for a small amount of code that works right now.
[2023-10-20 03:19:59] <Lucifer_arma> So, server-side or client-side tabwidget?
[2023-10-20 03:20:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So, server-side or client-side tabwidget?
[2023-10-20 03:21:18] <Lucifer_arma> as for sending links to each individual page, this is a UI that I expect the only user to ever be me, so no need to send links to pages via text/email/whatever
[2023-10-20 03:21:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| as for sending links to each individual page, this is a UI that I expect the only user to ever be me, so no need to send links to pages via text/email/whatever
[2023-10-20 03:21:52] <Lucifer_arma> (but with some coding, I could probably make unique urls for client-side tabs, I'm just not going to consider that part of the problem right now)
[2023-10-20 03:21:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (but with some coding, I could probably make unique urls for client-side tabs, I'm just not going to consider that part of the problem right now)
[2023-10-20 03:55:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting, wouldn't know
[2023-10-20 03:55:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| interesting, wouldn't know
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[2023-10-20 08:17:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: luke-jr also has quite a number of children iirc, as well as being quite religious. There are... a *lot* of prominent tags on his wikipedia profile. He actually wrote the first major gui miner, back in... I wanna say 2009 or 2010 or so?
[2023-10-20 08:17:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: luke-jr also has quite a number of children iirc, as well as being quite religious. There are... a *lot* of prominent tags on his wikipedia profile. He actually wrote the first major gui miner, back in... I wanna say 2009 or 2010 or so?
[2023-10-20 08:17:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for IRC, we do actually have a server on Libera too - the bridge bot is hooked in to it. Also the bot wasn't somethign I made, although theoretically it's not actually that hard to make. It's a mattermost offering, but entirely hosted and configured by me. It runs on the DC server that hosts all my community automation. There are hacky ways to configure "reply to" messages in  <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for IRC, we do actually have a server on Libera too - the bridge bot is hooked in to it. Also the bot wasn't somethign I made, although theoretically it's not actually that hard to make. It's a mattermost offering, but entirely hosted and configured by me. It runs on the DC server that hosts all my community automation. There are hacky ways to configure "reply to" messages in  <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| IRC, but it would eat up the character count or result in a ridiculous number of multi-messages so there really isn't much point to it. It's easier just to read the conversation flow
[2023-10-20 08:17:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| IRC, but it would eat up the character count or result in a ridiculous number of multi-messages so there really isn't much point to it. It's easier just to read the conversation flow
[2023-10-20 08:17:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The padding/margin thing hasn't changed - but please don't use em. Use VW and VH - being viewport-width and viewport-height. It is a vast improvement over percentages or proportionate sizing. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_blocks/Sizing_items_in_CSS#viewport_units
[2023-10-20 08:17:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The padding/margin thing hasn't changed - but please don't use em. Use VW and VH - being viewport-width and viewport-height. It is a vast improvement over percentages or proportionate sizing. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_blocks/Sizing_items_in_CSS#viewport_units
[2023-10-20 08:17:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for tabs, I'd separate the loading from the switching. Write the tabs in client-side JS, then use a server-side container inside them. I wouldn't destroy that container on tab-out either - just set an auto-refresh, or refresh when the tab is selected. You could even go one better, and hold your data in a client-side hidden data field, then refresh your sources in the backgroun <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for tabs, I'd separate the loading from the switching. Write the tabs in client-side JS, then use a server-side container inside them. I wouldn't destroy that container on tab-out either - just set an auto-refresh, or refresh when the tab is selected. You could even go one better, and hold your data in a client-side hidden data field, then refresh your sources in the backgroun <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d. That lets you do all sorts of fancy presentation with that data, and you can have a separate data endpoint that you pull this info from. That's the approach I'm taking with Meridian, although I have an entire internal API that gets called - mostly because I fucking hate MVC and stuck with a form of webforms called DotVVM, which lets me keep the original page lifecycle... but t <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d. That lets you do all sorts of fancy presentation with that data, and you can have a separate data endpoint that you pull this info from. That's the approach I'm taking with Meridian, although I have an entire internal API that gets called - mostly because I fucking hate MVC and stuck with a form of webforms called DotVVM, which lets me keep the original page lifecycle... but t <clipped message>
[2023-10-20 08:17:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hat's another grumble for another time.
[2023-10-20 08:17:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hat's another grumble for another time.
[2023-10-20 08:20:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| er, I conflated em with px. Ignore that part
[2023-10-20 08:20:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| er, I conflated em with px. Ignore that part
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[2023-10-20 12:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its not too bad but yeah true.
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah so the project you're using doesnt really have support for those "extra" features...
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its not too bad but yeah true.
[2023-10-20 12:16:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah so the project you're using doesnt really have support for those "extra" features...
[2023-10-20 12:16:50] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| you mean channel, but its not mentioned anywhere on the websites
[2023-10-20 12:16:50] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| you mean channel, but its not mentioned anywhere on the websites
[2023-10-20 12:59:53] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| does anyone here use arch?
[2023-10-20 12:59:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| does anyone here use arch?
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[2023-10-20 13:00:43] <Juest> hi from libera
[2023-10-20 13:00:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14irc:Juest| hi from libera
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[2023-10-20 22:43:54] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: well, that's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in right now.  I'm willing to use client-side js to do tab switching, or make each tab a different url (use the same template to render, just change how the nav link is highlighted).
[2023-10-20 22:43:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: well, that's a lot more work than I'm willing to put in right now.  I'm willing to use client-side js to do tab switching, or make each tab a different url (use the same template to render, just change how the nav link is highlighted).
[2023-10-20 22:44:27] <Lucifer_arma> Down the road, I will absolutely write a much better UI with fancy widgets and stuff, and expose a good restful api, and I might even write a C++ client that uses it and native widgets at some point
[2023-10-20 22:44:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Down the road, I will absolutely write a much better UI with fancy widgets and stuff, and expose a good restful api, and I might even write a C++ client that uses it and native widgets at some point
[2023-10-20 22:44:48] <Lucifer_arma> but right now, I just have to decide between two simple options based on what I'll do next, after I get real trading going and it's time to focus on more UI
[2023-10-20 22:44:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but right now, I just have to decide between two simple options based on what I'll do next, after I get real trading going and it's time to focus on more UI
[2023-10-20 22:45:03] <Lucifer_arma> right now, I write UI only as I need it, or if I'm blocked for some reason on something elsef
[2023-10-20 22:45:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| right now, I write UI only as I need it, or if I'm blocked for some reason on something elsef
[2023-10-20 22:47:39] <Lucifer_arma> I'll look into viewports in a bit.  Again, trying to keep it--not necessarily as simple as possible, but within the range of what I already know so I can avoid the UI sucking me in when I have higher priorities in the project
[2023-10-20 22:47:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll look into viewports in a bit.  Again, trying to keep it--not necessarily as simple as possible, but within the range of what I already know so I can avoid the UI sucking me in when I have higher priorities in the project
[2023-10-20 22:48:01] <Lucifer_arma> at some point, hopefully soon, the UI will become the top priority and I'll go all in on making it the best possible thing I can make :)
[2023-10-20 22:48:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| at some point, hopefully soon, the UI will become the top priority and I'll go all in on making it the best possible thing I can make :)
[2023-10-20 22:49:03] <Lucifer_arma> @Juesto: afaik, sumobar and sumo aren't different.  They're the same settings on different servers
[2023-10-20 22:49:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @Juesto: afaik, sumobar and sumo aren't different.  They're the same settings on different servers
[2023-10-20 22:49:46] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: were you here back when luke-jr was trying to recruit us all to work on bitcoin with him?
[2023-10-20 22:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: were you here back when luke-jr was trying to recruit us all to work on bitcoin with him?
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[2023-10-21 04:43:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: Vaguely. I spent a lot of time playing under "player 1" before I looked at the forums. I think I made an account in, what, 2011 or so? 
[2023-10-21 04:43:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Lucifer_arma: Vaguely. I spent a lot of time playing under "player 1" before I looked at the forums. I think I made an account in, what, 2011 or so? 
[2023-10-21 04:43:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for the tabs thing, it doesn't actually have to be that complicated. I use a hidden data field, and then do all the processing that I would normally do on the visible information, on the stuff in the data field. It's essentially the same process, just without any visual indication. A data field would normally run server-side too, or you can separate them both and only communic <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 04:43:17] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for the tabs thing, it doesn't actually have to be that complicated. I use a hidden data field, and then do all the processing that I would normally do on the visible information, on the stuff in the data field. It's essentially the same process, just without any visual indication. A data field would normally run server-side too, or you can separate them both and only communic <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 04:43:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ate when necessary. When your data is processed into information, just drop it in to the page or use it to update existing page elements. You can even use that, further on, to do some illustrative animation - making visual cues for new information. That way you can have constantly up-to-date data without needing to constantly refresh the page, container, or otherwise visually int <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 04:43:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ate when necessary. When your data is processed into information, just drop it in to the page or use it to update existing page elements. You can even use that, further on, to do some illustrative animation - making visual cues for new information. That way you can have constantly up-to-date data without needing to constantly refresh the page, container, or otherwise visually int <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 04:43:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| errupt the user.
[2023-10-21 04:43:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| errupt the user.
[2023-10-21 04:44:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Remind me this evening and I'll dig up an old project that used this to do a complete assessment in client-side JS
[2023-10-21 04:44:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Remind me this evening and I'll dig up an old project that used this to do a complete assessment in client-side JS
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[2023-10-21 10:41:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hurray I bought a record off discogs and it wasn't absolutely destroyed!
[2023-10-21 10:41:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| hurray I bought a record off discogs and it wasn't absolutely destroyed!
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[2023-10-21 19:25:20] <Z-Man> mvsc support was ditched way back because for a long time, there was nobody who could maintain it. The very first builds were done in the community edition of Visual Studio 6, and full VS would cost... a thousand bucks? Not entirely sure. It wasn't until later that Visual Studio Express became available, and I think by that time we had already moved to Code::Blocks. I might be confusing things. Anyway, on Windows, managing library 
[2023-10-21 19:25:20] <Z-Man> dependencies is a huge pain, and nobody wants to do that for two compilers. (Nowadays, it is feasible with a package manager such as Conan, but that does not integrate well with our build system)
[2023-10-21 19:25:20] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| mvsc support was ditched way back because for a long time, there was nobody who could maintain it. The very first builds were done in the community edition of Visual Studio 6, and full VS would cost... a thousand bucks? Not entirely sure. It wasn't until later that Visual Studio Express became available, and I think by that time we had already moved to Code::Blocks. I might be co <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 19:25:20] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| nfusing things. Anyway, on Windows, managing library
[2023-10-21 19:25:22] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| dependencies is a huge pain, and nobody wants to do that for two compilers. (Nowadays, it is feasible with a package manager such as Conan, but that does not integrate well with our build system)
[2023-10-21 19:28:29] <Z-Man> the sty branches have not been merged with any main branch; I think we nicked a few things here and there. Builds are not prominently available anywhere; they should be available as pipeline artifacts on gitlab, like here: https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/-/pipelines/1016001054 Unfortunately, client builds are currently broken and the thing that would make good artifacts has not yet been merged into sty+ct+ap. So that is no help.
[2023-10-21 19:28:30] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| the sty branches have not been merged with any main branch; I think we nicked a few things here and there. Builds are not prominently available anywhere; they should be available as pipeline artifacts on gitlab, like here: https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/-/pipelines/1016001054 Unfortunately, client builds are currently broken and the thing that would make good artifa <clipped message>
[2023-10-21 19:28:30] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| cts has not yet been merged into sty+ct+ap. So that is no help.
[2023-10-21 19:28:51] <Juest> community edition of vs6? you mean express?
[2023-10-21 19:28:52] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| community edition of vs6? you mean express?
[2023-10-21 19:29:20] <Z-Man> Nope. Express came later.
[2023-10-21 19:29:22] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Nope. Express came later.
[2023-10-21 19:29:25] <Juest> i dont think there was a community edition of vs6....
[2023-10-21 19:29:25] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i dont think there was a community edition of vs6....
[2023-10-21 19:29:31] <Juest> maybe a trial
[2023-10-21 19:29:31] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| maybe a trial
[2023-10-21 19:30:22] <Z-Man> Or academic, or something. It legally came with a textbook. It was not technically legal to distribute builds made with it :)
[2023-10-21 19:30:23] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Or academic, or something. It legally came with a textbook. It was not technically legal to distribute builds made with it :)
[2023-10-21 19:30:56] <Z-Man> (with the second legal, I mean covered by the license agreement)
[2023-10-21 19:30:57] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| (with the second legal, I mean covered by the license agreement)
[2023-10-21 19:34:33] <Juest> ah i see
[2023-10-21 19:34:34] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| ah i see
[2023-10-21 19:34:41] <Juest> thats more like it
[2023-10-21 19:34:41] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| thats more like it
[2023-10-21 19:37:59] <Juest> what features were removed in the sty+ct+ap branches Z-Man ?
[2023-10-21 19:38:00] <Z-Man> I triggered a main site update. Thanks for the notice! I had just forgotten. And that even though I have a release checklist. Maybe I should actually print that and check things off.
[2023-10-21 19:38:00] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| what features were removed in the sty+ct+ap branches Z-Man ?
[2023-10-21 19:38:00] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| I triggered a main site update. Thanks for the notice! I had just forgotten. And that even though I have a release checklist. Maybe I should actually print that and check things off.
[2023-10-21 19:38:13] <Juest> armagetronad?
[2023-10-21 19:38:13] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| armagetronad?
[2023-10-21 19:38:24] <Juest> armagetronad.org?
[2023-10-21 19:38:25] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| armagetronad.org?
[2023-10-21 19:38:37] <Juest> yeah that would be a good idea
[2023-10-21 19:38:38] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| yeah that would be a good idea
[2023-10-21 19:39:00] <Juest> i think distros were a bit outdated because the website wasnt up to date
[2023-10-21 19:39:00] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i think distros were a bit outdated because the website wasnt up to date
[2023-10-21 19:39:04] <Z-Man> Yeah, armagetronad.org. The update is on a cronjob, will take a bit.
[2023-10-21 19:39:04] <Z-Man> There were no features removed from sty. Just because we stole them does not mean they are no longer in there :)
[2023-10-21 19:39:04] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Yeah, armagetronad.org. The update is on a cronjob, will take a bit.
[2023-10-21 19:39:05] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| There were no features removed from sty. Just because we stole them does not mean they are no longer in there :)
[2023-10-21 19:39:27] <Juest> ah, wdym nicked then?
[2023-10-21 19:39:28] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| ah, wdym nicked then?
[2023-10-21 19:41:02] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Oh, I thought 'nick' means 'steal'. In this case, cherry pick, or copy.
[2023-10-21 19:41:03] <Z-Man> Oh, I thought 'nick' means 'steal'. In this case, cherry pick, or copy.
[2023-10-21 19:41:13] <Juest> ah i see
[2023-10-21 19:41:13] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| ah i see
[2023-10-21 19:41:32] <Juest> my apologies i thought nicked meant some things removed
[2023-10-21 19:41:32] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| my apologies i thought nicked meant some things removed
[2023-10-21 19:41:49] <Z-Man> In the real world, it does :)
[2023-10-21 19:41:50] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| In the real world, it does :)
[2023-10-21 19:42:47] <Juest> i see
[2023-10-21 19:42:47] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i see
[2023-10-21 19:43:11] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Anyway, it's way past bedtime on this side of the globe. Night, and see ya!
[2023-10-21 19:43:11] <Z-Man> Anyway, it's way past bedtime on this side of the globe. Night, and see ya!
[2023-10-21 19:43:28] <Juest> oh, short lived but nice to talk to you Z-Man ! good night and sweet dreams
[2023-10-21 19:43:28] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| oh, short lived but nice to talk to you Z-Man ! good night and sweet dreams
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[2023-10-22 00:30:51] <Lucifer_arma> heh, nicked is british for stealing, and american for removed :)
[2023-10-22 00:30:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, nicked is british for stealing, and american for removed :)
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[2023-10-22 06:26:44] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Ah, thanks, Lucifer_arma!
[2023-10-22 06:26:44] <Z-Man> Ah, thanks, Lucifer_arma!
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[2023-10-22 08:42:45] <Juest> ohhhhh
[2023-10-22 08:42:46] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| ohhhhh
[2023-10-22 08:42:47] <Juest> good to know
[2023-10-22 08:42:48] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| good to know
[2023-10-22 08:43:15] <Juest> Z-Man: maybe remove the links for safety
[2023-10-22 08:43:16] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| Z-Man: maybe remove the links for safety
[2023-10-22 08:43:26] <Juest> oh not your forums
[2023-10-22 08:43:27] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| oh not your forums
[2023-10-22 08:43:29] <Juest> xD
[2023-10-22 08:43:29] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| xD
[2023-10-22 08:43:56] <Juest> how its going? good morning
[2023-10-22 08:43:56] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| how its going? good morning
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[2023-10-22 18:44:18] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| how do people do the fast lines with a square at the end so quickly?
[2023-10-22 18:44:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| how do people do the fast lines with a square at the end so quickly?
[2023-10-22 18:44:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i cant press too fast to avoid it
[2023-10-22 18:44:32] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i cant press too fast to avoid it
[2023-10-22 18:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| also im playing with a higher fps making reactions tighter
[2023-10-22 18:44:44] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| also im playing with a higher fps making reactions tighter
[2023-10-22 18:46:01] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| can i ask for a training session?
[2023-10-22 18:46:01] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| can i ask for a training session?
[2023-10-22 18:46:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im familiar with the game at least conceptually
[2023-10-22 18:46:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im familiar with the game at least conceptually
[2023-10-22 18:46:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i think
[2023-10-22 18:46:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i think
[2023-10-22 18:46:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i've always struggled with the movement strategies and stuff
[2023-10-22 18:46:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i've always struggled with the movement strategies and stuff
[2023-10-22 18:52:26] <armagetronbridge> 09discord:chopeh_| play more
[2023-10-22 18:52:26] <armagetron-bridge> 09discord:chopeh_| play more
[2023-10-22 18:58:03] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i have lag and i notice a delay in the inputs
[2023-10-22 18:58:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i have lag and i notice a delay in the inputs
[2023-10-22 19:01:40] <armagetronbridge> 09discord:Force| Are you on wifi or ethernet? Ethernet really helps out lag wise.
[2023-10-22 19:01:41] <armagetron-bridge> 09discord:Force| Are you on wifi or ethernet? Ethernet really helps out lag wise.
[2023-10-22 19:07:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ethernet, but im in argentina
[2023-10-22 19:07:17] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ethernet, but im in argentina
[2023-10-22 19:12:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i have terrible ping to the yellow submarine server
[2023-10-22 19:13:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i have terrible ping to the yellow submarine server
[2023-10-22 19:15:02] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:ppotter| probably double or triple binding (having multiple keys assigned to each turn direction and pressing them simultaneously)
[2023-10-22 19:15:02] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:ppotter| probably double or triple binding (having multiple keys assigned to each turn direction and pressing them simultaneously)
[2023-10-22 19:15:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah, i have double binds and it still got a delay
[2023-10-22 19:15:42] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| yeah, i have double binds and it still got a delay
[2023-10-22 19:17:14] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:ppotter| in what server? also, do you have vsync on? Not sure it affects every setup the same, but if I have vsync on my turns are super delayed
[2023-10-22 19:17:14] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:ppotter| in what server? also, do you have vsync on? Not sure it affects every setup the same, but if I have vsync on my turns are super delayed
[2023-10-22 19:18:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i tried yellow submarine and this discord servers.
[2023-10-22 19:18:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i tried yellow submarine and this discord servers.
[2023-10-22 19:18:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| cant toggle vsync on anything before 0.4
[2023-10-22 19:18:26] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| cant toggle vsync on anything before 0.4
[2023-10-22 19:18:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or limit the fps
[2023-10-22 19:18:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or limit the fps
[2023-10-22 19:19:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it gives me 164 fps on this computer
[2023-10-22 19:19:16] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it gives me 164 fps on this computer
[2023-10-22 19:19:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| kinda seems like vsync is on, but the driver is configured to let the 3d application decide
[2023-10-22 19:19:33] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| kinda seems like vsync is on, but the driver is configured to let the 3d application decide
[2023-10-22 19:20:30] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:ppotter| iirc I had to use nvidia control panel to create a custom profile for arma
[2023-10-22 19:20:30] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:ppotter| iirc I had to use nvidia control panel to create a custom profile for arma
[2023-10-22 19:20:36] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:ppotter| and set vsync to off
[2023-10-22 19:20:36] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:ppotter| and set vsync to off
[2023-10-22 19:21:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @Juesto if you want to enable vsync in linux you put an environment variable     vblank_mode=0
[2023-10-22 19:21:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @Juesto if you want to enable vsync in linux you put an environment variable     vblank_mode=0
[2023-10-22 19:21:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| export vblank_mode=0
[2023-10-22 19:21:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| export vblank_mode=0
[2023-10-22 19:25:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hmmm
[2023-10-22 19:25:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hmmm
[2023-10-22 19:25:14] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i think im fine as it is
[2023-10-22 19:25:14] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i think im fine as it is
[2023-10-22 19:25:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| in linux i dont have vsync, in windows i do
[2023-10-22 19:25:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| in linux i dont have vsync, in windows i do
[2023-10-22 19:38:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| where i can check armagetronad logs?
[2023-10-22 19:38:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| where i can check armagetronad logs?
[2023-10-22 19:39:27] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh i thought you meant in linux
[2023-10-22 19:39:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh i thought you meant in linux
[2023-10-22 19:41:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im not sure where the logs are on 0.2.9, i guess in your .armagetronad directory
[2023-10-22 19:41:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im not sure where the logs are on 0.2.9, i guess in your .armagetronad directory
[2023-10-22 19:41:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| in 0.4 they are spread out
[2023-10-22 19:41:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| in 0.4 they are spread out
[2023-10-22 19:42:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean all armagetronad files are under different directories
[2023-10-22 19:42:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean all armagetronad files are under different directories
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[2023-10-22 20:02:09] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| not there
[2023-10-22 20:02:09] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| not there
[2023-10-22 20:02:19] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| do they only exist when the program is running?
[2023-10-22 20:02:19] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| do they only exist when the program is running?
[2023-10-22 20:04:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sorry i dont know then but im sure someone else can tell you. I can't find any logs on my system either.
[2023-10-22 20:04:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sorry i dont know then but im sure someone else can tell you. I can't find any logs on my system either.
[2023-10-22 20:07:04] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| on windows i see it creates stdout and stderr in the program files during runtime and deletes it when it exits
[2023-10-22 20:07:04] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| on windows i see it creates stdout and stderr in the program files during runtime and deletes it when it exits
[2023-10-22 20:24:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Keep in mind some servers do have a turn_delay thing, like there's a minimum time between turns
[2023-10-22 20:24:01] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Keep in mind some servers do have a turn_delay thing, like there's a minimum time between turns
[2023-10-22 20:24:13] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| fair
[2023-10-22 20:24:13] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| fair
[2023-10-22 20:24:17] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Tern_cycle_delay or smtn
[2023-10-22 20:24:17] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| Tern_cycle_delay or smtn
[2023-10-22 20:24:25] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| most servers do have that
[2023-10-22 20:24:25] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| most servers do have that
[2023-10-22 20:27:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @Juesto if you want program logs maybe run arma from command line and redirect stdout
[2023-10-22 20:27:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @Juesto if you want program logs maybe run arma from command line and redirect stdout
[2023-10-22 20:27:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| or stderr
[2023-10-22 20:27:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| or stderr
[2023-10-22 20:29:32] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| where does it redirect by default? it doesnt print anything on tty
[2023-10-22 20:29:34] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| where does it redirect by default? it doesnt print anything on tty
[2023-10-22 20:33:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| idk
[2023-10-22 20:33:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| idk
[2023-10-22 20:34:30] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| what's the new -js alpha branch of sty+ct+ap
[2023-10-22 20:34:30] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| what's the new -js alpha branch of sty+ct+ap
[2023-10-22 20:34:36] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| why people still use that branch for servers
[2023-10-22 20:34:36] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| why people still use that branch for servers
[2023-10-22 20:40:31] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| great
[2023-10-22 20:40:31] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| great
[2023-10-22 20:40:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| my game crashed when disconencting from durf hunting wabbit server
[2023-10-22 20:40:49] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| my game crashed when disconencting from durf hunting wabbit server
[2023-10-22 20:40:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| on windows
[2023-10-22 20:40:57] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| on windows
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[2023-10-22 22:17:21] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| mouse grabbing doesnt toggle on linux when you move the mouse
[2023-10-22 22:17:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| mouse grabbing doesnt toggle on linux when you move the mouse
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[2023-10-23 00:44:25] <Lucifer_arma> ah the power of database indexes
[2023-10-23 00:44:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ah the power of database indexes
[2023-10-23 00:45:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I added one index to a really large table and it went from jobs on that table taking over a minute each to zipping right through like it did before
[2023-10-23 00:45:05] <Lucifer_arma> I added one index to a really large table and it went from jobs on that table taking over a minute each to zipping right through like it did before
[2023-10-23 00:46:00] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| uhhh
[2023-10-23 00:46:00] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| uhhh
[2023-10-23 00:46:08] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| apparently the github repo is outdated
[2023-10-23 00:46:09] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| apparently the github repo is outdated
[2023-10-23 00:49:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| z-man @armanelgtron @wwnelg
[2023-10-23 00:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| z-man @armanelgtron @wwnelg
[2023-10-23 00:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| did yall realize that packages are using github as upstream and need to be notified that development moved to gitlab?
[2023-10-23 00:49:48] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| did yall realize that packages are using github as upstream and need to be notified that development moved to gitlab?
[2023-10-23 00:55:39] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or something
[2023-10-23 00:55:39] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or something
[2023-10-23 00:55:47] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it seems that it was forgotten to create a tag in github
[2023-10-23 00:55:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it seems that it was forgotten to create a tag in github
[2023-10-23 00:57:56] <Lucifer_arma> I don't recall development ever being on github.  It's supposed to be a clone of gitlab
[2023-10-23 00:57:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't recall development ever being on github.  It's supposed to be a clone of gitlab
[2023-10-23 00:58:12] <Lucifer_arma> I could be misremembering, but we don't trust Microsoft, still :)
[2023-10-23 00:58:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I could be misremembering, but we don't trust Microsoft, still :)
[2023-10-23 00:58:19] <Lucifer_arma> (that's "we" is probably just me)
[2023-10-23 00:58:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (that's "we" is probably just me)
[2023-10-23 00:58:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| the problem is that the tags were not updated on github
[2023-10-23 00:58:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| the problem is that the tags were not updated on github
[2023-10-23 00:58:54] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| causing packages to not update
[2023-10-23 00:58:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| causing packages to not update
[2023-10-23 00:59:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| the official place for releases is launchpad right?
[2023-10-23 00:59:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| the official place for releases is launchpad right?
[2023-10-23 00:59:36] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| is there a way/means to grab the latest version of something in launchpad?
[2023-10-23 00:59:36] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| is there a way/means to grab the latest version of something in launchpad?
[2023-10-23 00:59:42] <Lucifer_arma> I thought we were off launchpad for that.  Launchpad is ubuntu specific
[2023-10-23 00:59:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I thought we were off launchpad for that.  Launchpad is ubuntu specific
[2023-10-23 01:00:45] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| the official download links are coming from launchpad
[2023-10-23 01:00:46] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| the official download links are coming from launchpad
[2023-10-23 01:01:32] <Lucifer_arma> could be.  Last time I was involved with a release, we were still putting the non-ubuntu stuff on sourceforge (with nightly builds and the development series self-hosted)
[2023-10-23 01:01:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| could be.  Last time I was involved with a release, we were still putting the non-ubuntu stuff on sourceforge (with nightly builds and the development series self-hosted)
[2023-10-23 01:01:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| sourceforge is outdated
[2023-10-23 01:01:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| sourceforge is outdated
[2023-10-23 01:01:59] <Lucifer_arma> but I don't remember launchpad hosting anything except source and debian packages for ubuntu
[2023-10-23 01:01:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I don't remember launchpad hosting anything except source and debian packages for ubuntu
[2023-10-23 01:02:38] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: where do we put official releases?
[2023-10-23 01:02:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Z-Man: where do we put official releases?
[2023-10-23 01:03:24] <Lucifer_arma> personally, I still use bzr for my own projects, heh :)
[2023-10-23 01:03:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| personally, I still use bzr for my own projects, heh :)
[2023-10-23 01:03:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it seems like github is not really used but gitlab is
[2023-10-23 01:03:27] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it seems like github is not really used but gitlab is
[2023-10-23 01:03:41] <Lucifer_arma> we use gitlab
[2023-10-23 01:03:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we use gitlab
[2023-10-23 01:04:09] <Lucifer_arma> github is just a copy, and honestly, I don't know if we update it or if it's someone else.  I remember someone else creating a github repo back when we were still using launchpad
[2023-10-23 01:04:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| github is just a copy, and honestly, I don't know if we update it or if it's someone else.  I remember someone else creating a github repo back when we were still using launchpad
[2023-10-23 01:04:27] <Lucifer_arma> but "upstream" for us is gitlab and has been for years
[2023-10-23 01:04:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but "upstream" for us is gitlab and has been for years
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[2023-10-23 01:32:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| apparently package maintainers didn't get that memo
[2023-10-23 01:32:19] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| apparently package maintainers didn't get that memo
[2023-10-23 01:32:26] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| they're using github
[2023-10-23 01:32:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| they're using github
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[2023-10-23 03:01:43] <Lucifer_arma> I can't imagine why.  We've never used github as a primary, afaik
[2023-10-23 03:01:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I can't imagine why.  We've never used github as a primary, afaik
[2023-10-23 03:02:40] <Lucifer_arma> iirc, while we were looking at moving over to git, microsoft bought github, so when we made the move, we went straight to gitlab.  That's how I remember it, anyway, but I was in active addiction at the time.  :/
[2023-10-23 03:02:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| iirc, while we were looking at moving over to git, microsoft bought github, so when we made the move, we went straight to gitlab.  That's how I remember it, anyway, but I was in active addiction at the time.  :/
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[2023-10-23 11:10:15] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| meh, most people still use github, the microsoft thing is FUD
[2023-10-23 11:10:15] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| meh, most people still use github, the microsoft thing is FUD
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[2023-10-23 12:22:20] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| okay about the arch issue, i got pointed towards you guys
[2023-10-23 12:22:20] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| okay about the arch issue, i got pointed towards you guys
[2023-10-23 12:22:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| aka upstream
[2023-10-23 12:22:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| aka upstream
[2023-10-23 12:22:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| they dont know what it is but suspect its sdl
[2023-10-23 12:22:38] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| they dont know what it is but suspect its sdl
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[2023-10-23 22:40:17] <Lucifer_arma> Uh, no, Microsoft really has done a lot of bad things, like calling us a cancer, and not trusting them is healthy
[2023-10-23 22:40:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Uh, no, Microsoft really has done a lot of bad things, like calling us a cancer, and not trusting them is healthy
[2023-10-23 22:40:44] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how you make decisions, but around here we decide based on what we think is best for us, not what "most people" do
[2023-10-23 22:40:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't know how you make decisions, but around here we decide based on what we think is best for us, not what "most people" do
[2023-10-23 22:48:31] <Lucifer_arma> so Microsoft has to earn back our trust, and it's not an easy road for them.  In the meantime, we existed as an open source project when they were actively attacking the open source world, and we'll exist long after they've joined us and put Linux under Windows
[2023-10-23 22:48:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so Microsoft has to earn back our trust, and it's not an easy road for them.  In the meantime, we existed as an open source project when they were actively attacking the open source world, and we'll exist long after they've joined us and put Linux under Windows
[2023-10-23 22:51:57] <Juest> i see
[2023-10-23 22:51:58] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i see
[2023-10-23 22:52:01] <Juest> sorry to hear that
[2023-10-23 22:52:01] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| sorry to hear that

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[2023-10-24 15:33:06] <Lucifer_arma> In yet another "oh crap, I'm an idiot" moment, I finally got jobs to be instantiated on workers with the same init arguments they started with on the scheduler
[2023-10-24 15:33:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| In yet another "oh crap, I'm an idiot" moment, I finally got jobs to be instantiated on workers with the same init arguments they started with on the scheduler
[2023-10-24 17:52:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| huh
[2023-10-24 17:52:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| huh
[2023-10-24 19:22:47] <Lucifer_arma> apparently I'm still two steps forward, one step back.  I wanted to work on the simulation today, but I recently broke the history retrieval and didn't notice.  So I had to fix that.
[2023-10-24 19:22:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| apparently I'm still two steps forward, one step back.  I wanted to work on the simulation today, but I recently broke the history retrieval and didn't notice.  So I had to fix that.
[2023-10-24 19:23:10] <Lucifer_arma> In doing so, I managed to make it download a bunch of new symbols that it hadn't been downloading before, so now I have to wait for the database to be brought up to date again
[2023-10-24 19:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| In doing so, I managed to make it download a bunch of new symbols that it hadn't been downloading before, so now I have to wait for the database to be brought up to date again
[2023-10-24 19:23:12] <Lucifer_arma> oops
[2023-10-24 19:23:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| oops
[2023-10-24 19:23:57] <Lucifer_arma> but at least I learned that this little project has grown big enough that I need the cluster for sure now.  It's no longer able to do all the work on one computer.  So that's a thing that happened.
[2023-10-24 19:23:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but at least I learned that this little project has grown big enough that I need the cluster for sure now.  It's no longer able to do all the work on one computer.  So that's a thing that happened.
[2023-10-24 19:24:43] <Lucifer_arma> so I ordered a cluster case.  It should be here tomorrow.  So instead of worrying about the simulation tomorrow, I'll focus on getting that third worker online and putting all of them into their new case.
[2023-10-24 19:24:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I ordered a cluster case.  It should be here tomorrow.  So instead of worrying about the simulation tomorrow, I'll focus on getting that third worker online and putting all of them into their new case.
[2023-10-24 19:26:44] <Lucifer_arma> I'll look at adding this other technical indicator, which, combined with macd, should make it possible for me to do a better job picking stocks
[2023-10-24 19:26:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll look at adding this other technical indicator, which, combined with macd, should make it possible for me to do a better job picking stocks
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[2023-10-25 16:53:46] <Lucifer_arma> ok.  Got my new cluster case.  It's loaded with three raspberry pis now.  Imaging the last sd card.  I should be at full strength in a few hours.
[2023-10-25 16:53:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok.  Got my new cluster case.  It's loaded with three raspberry pis now.  Imaging the last sd card.  I should be at full strength in a few hours.
[2023-10-25 18:59:59] <Lucifer_arma> I just want to remind everybody that we live in the stupid universe where "gibibytes" are a thing
[2023-10-25 18:59:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I just want to remind everybody that we live in the stupid universe where "gibibytes" are a thing
[2023-10-25 19:13:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Gibibytes are what Gigabytes were supposed to be
[2023-10-25 19:13:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Gibibytes are what Gigabytes were supposed to be
[2023-10-25 19:13:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| so technically its a good thing
[2023-10-25 19:13:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| so technically its a good thing
[2023-10-25 19:13:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| we were always suposed to count to 1024, because octet
[2023-10-25 19:13:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| we were always suposed to count to 1024, because octet
[2023-10-25 19:15:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I also enjoy that the notable example, as standardised by stanford, of a kilobyte is the text of jabberwocky
[2023-10-25 19:15:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I also enjoy that the notable example, as standardised by stanford, of a kilobyte is the text of jabberwocky
[2023-10-25 19:16:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| come to think of it, why have we never improved on the octet system? Surely something in base-12 or even greater would increase addressability and whatnot
[2023-10-25 19:16:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| come to think of it, why have we never improved on the octet system? Surely something in base-12 or even greater would increase addressability and whatnot
[2023-10-25 19:43:47] <Lucifer_arma> base-16?
[2023-10-25 19:43:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| base-16?
[2023-10-25 19:44:19] <Lucifer_arma> You can go to a paint store and give them #fefefe and they'll give you a decent off-white paint
[2023-10-25 19:44:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| You can go to a paint store and give them #fefefe and they'll give you a decent off-white paint
[2023-10-25 19:44:40] <Lucifer_arma> (I use that as my white on web pages because it has a bit of a gleam to it)
[2023-10-25 19:44:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (I use that as my white on web pages because it has a bit of a gleam to it)
[2023-10-25 19:45:36] <Lucifer_arma> but no, gibibytes are stupid.  They're only there because hard drive manufacturers were really close to losing a serious class action suit where they would market a 64GB drive that would only have 58GB on it.
[2023-10-25 19:45:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but no, gibibytes are stupid.  They're only there because hard drive manufacturers were really close to losing a serious class action suit where they would market a 64GB drive that would only have 58GB on it.
[2023-10-25 19:46:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Well yes, the inudstry as a whole started measuring one gigabyte as 1000 megabytes
[2023-10-25 19:46:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Well yes, the inudstry as a whole started measuring one gigabyte as 1000 megabytes
[2023-10-25 19:46:07] <Lucifer_arma> So they said "We use metric prefixes, so it's 1000 megabytes", and the money won and the nerds who lost invented gibibytes so we can still have our sensible units
[2023-10-25 19:46:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So they said "We use metric prefixes, so it's 1000 megabytes", and the money won and the nerds who lost invented gibibytes so we can still have our sensible units
[2023-10-25 19:46:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| which is *wrong*
[2023-10-25 19:46:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| which is *wrong*
[2023-10-25 19:46:42] <Lucifer_arma> I still mean 1024 MB when I say gigabytes
[2023-10-25 19:46:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I still mean 1024 MB when I say gigabytes
[2023-10-25 19:47:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I, too, am currently metnally sound
[2023-10-25 19:47:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I, too, am currently metnally sound
[2023-10-25 19:47:17] <Lucifer_arma> and I think that's only for storage space.  I think 1 gigahert = 1020 megahertz
[2023-10-25 19:47:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and I think that's only for storage space.  I think 1 gigahert = 1020 megahertz
[2023-10-25 19:47:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This I did not know
[2023-10-25 19:47:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This I did not know
[2023-10-25 19:47:30] <Lucifer_arma> *1024
[2023-10-25 19:47:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *1024
[2023-10-25 19:48:00] <Lucifer_arma> really, we should have revised kilometers to be 1024 meters :)
[2023-10-25 19:48:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| really, we should have revised kilometers to be 1024 meters :)
[2023-10-25 19:49:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Imagine if we counted everything in base-20
[2023-10-25 19:49:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Imagine if we counted everything in base-20
[2023-10-25 19:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| y'know, ten fingers, ten toes
[2023-10-25 19:49:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| y'know, ten fingers, ten toes
[2023-10-25 19:51:08] <Lucifer_arma> the mesopotamians used base 60
[2023-10-25 19:51:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the mesopotamians used base 60
[2023-10-25 19:53:08] <Lucifer_arma> ok, done copying the worker image to the hard drive.  I needed to update what I had.  I should be able to build new workers with this new image.
[2023-10-25 19:53:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, done copying the worker image to the hard drive.  I needed to update what I had.  I should be able to build new workers with this new image.
[2023-10-25 19:53:29] <Lucifer_arma> Now I've got the two workers I already had back online in the new case, and I'm copying the image to the sd card for the third worker.
[2023-10-25 19:53:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Now I've got the two workers I already had back online in the new case, and I'm copying the image to the sd card for the third worker.
[2023-10-25 19:53:42] <Lucifer_arma> Soon I will have an emergent AI in my bedroom, and together we will rule the world!
[2023-10-25 19:53:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Soon I will have an emergent AI in my bedroom, and together we will rule the world!
[2023-10-25 19:54:33] <Lucifer_arma> see, I"m not worried about the AI apocalypse, because I intend to contribute one of the AIs to it.  It'll be my ally, and it'll protect me.
[2023-10-25 19:54:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| see, I"m not worried about the AI apocalypse, because I intend to contribute one of the AIs to it.  It'll be my ally, and it'll protect me.
[2023-10-25 19:56:23] <Lucifer_arma> now I need to figure out when I'm going to buy another raspberry pi 4 so I can fill out this case.  It takes up to four pis.  I can buy another one and build it up to 8, but I'm worried that'll be too tall and will tip over
[2023-10-25 19:56:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| now I need to figure out when I'm going to buy another raspberry pi 4 so I can fill out this case.  It takes up to four pis.  I can buy another one and build it up to 8, but I'm worried that'll be too tall and will tip over
[2023-10-25 19:57:17] <Lucifer_arma> but actually, I can take some measurements and 3d print more parts for it.  I'll just need to buy the miscellaneous screws, fans, and heat sinks.  But that's probably goign to cost more than the $16 the case costed.
[2023-10-25 19:57:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but actually, I can take some measurements and 3d print more parts for it.  I'll just need to buy the miscellaneous screws, fans, and heat sinks.  But that's probably goign to cost more than the $16 the case costed.
[2023-10-25 20:00:29] <Lucifer_arma> Looks like the new worker will be Tula
[2023-10-25 20:00:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Looks like the new worker will be Tula
[2023-10-25 20:00:36] <Lucifer_arma> I've already got Marplon and Reger
[2023-10-25 20:00:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've already got Marplon and Reger
[2023-10-25 20:01:16] <Lucifer_arma> the database is betaIII.  :)  The complete cluster is Landru, but there's no Landru host yet because that'll be the gateway when I finally get it all on one subnet
[2023-10-25 20:01:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the database is betaIII.  :)  The complete cluster is Landru, but there's no Landru host yet because that'll be the gateway when I finally get it all on one subnet
[2023-10-25 22:19:52] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| huh cool
[2023-10-25 22:19:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| huh cool
[2023-10-25 22:20:07] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i thought GiB is for 1000 and GB is for 1024
[2023-10-25 22:20:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i thought GiB is for 1000 and GB is for 1024
[2023-10-25 22:20:35] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| windows does gb = 1024 mb where linux does gib = 1024mb
[2023-10-25 22:20:35] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| windows does gb = 1024 mb where linux does gib = 1024mb
[2023-10-25 22:20:42] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or viceverse
[2023-10-25 22:20:43] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or viceverse
[2023-10-25 22:20:47] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont rembember very well
[2023-10-25 22:20:48] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont rembember very well
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[2023-10-26 00:04:02] <Lucifer_arma> well that third worker just sped up my cluster so much that they're clearing jobs as fast as they're being generated.
[2023-10-26 00:04:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well that third worker just sped up my cluster so much that they're clearing jobs as fast as they're being generated.
[2023-10-26 00:04:42] <Lucifer_arma> I always thought building a cluster would be hard, and it hasn't been easy, but it's definitely harder to keep it busy than it is to build
[2023-10-26 00:04:42] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I always thought building a cluster would be hard, and it hasn't been easy, but it's definitely harder to keep it busy than it is to build
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[2023-10-26 09:16:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm looking for background information on compiling XAMPP for aarch64. Unfortunately, I'm fast coming to the conclusion that very few people have done it. Any ideas before I wing it?
[2023-10-26 09:16:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm looking for background information on compiling XAMPP for aarch64. Unfortunately, I'm fast coming to the conclusion that very few people have done it. Any ideas before I wing it?
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[2023-10-26 12:13:36] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| rip
[2023-10-26 12:13:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| rip
[2023-10-26 12:13:51] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| not much i can tell you other than maybe use the products separately
[2023-10-26 12:13:51] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| not much i can tell you other than maybe use the products separately
[2023-10-26 12:13:55] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| or idk
[2023-10-26 12:13:55] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| or idk
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[2023-10-26 12:23:55] <skuokly> 01,08/!\08,04 WARNING 01,08/!\ 04This channel has moved to IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG
[2023-10-26 12:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 13irc:skuokly| /!\ WARNING /!\ This channel has moved to IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG
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[2023-10-26 12:40:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Removed a message here directing users to a phishing domain
[2023-10-26 12:40:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Removed a message here directing users to a phishing domain
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[2023-10-26 13:11:17] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol, not a phishing domain but a unsafe place from irc
[2023-10-26 13:11:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol, not a phishing domain but a unsafe place from irc
[2023-10-26 13:11:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its just irc spam thats going on
[2023-10-26 13:11:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its just irc spam thats going on
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[2023-10-26 13:28:02] <friira> ░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▐░░░░░░ U HAVE BEEN SPOOKED BY
[2023-10-26 13:28:03] <friira> ░░░░░░▄▄▄░░▄██▄░░░░░ IRC.
[2023-10-26 13:28:03] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░░░░░░░░░▄▐░░░░░░ U HAVE BEEN SPOOKED BY
[2023-10-26 13:28:04] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░░░▄▄▄░░▄██▄░░░░░ IRC.
[2023-10-26 13:28:04] <friira> ░░░░░▐▀█▀▌░░░░▀█▄░░░ SUPER
[2023-10-26 13:28:05] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░░▐▀█▀▌░░░░▀█▄░░░ SUPER
[2023-10-26 13:28:06] <friira> ░░░░░▐█▄█▌░░░░░░▀█▄░ NETS.
[2023-10-26 13:28:07] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░░▐█▄█▌░░░░░░▀█▄░ NETS.
[2023-10-26 13:28:08] <friira> ░░░░░░▀▄▀░░░▄▄▄▄▄▀▀░ ORG
[2023-10-26 13:28:08] <friira> ░░░░▄▄▄██▀▀▀▀░░░░░░░ #SUPERBOWL
[2023-10-26 13:28:09] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░░░▀▄▀░░░▄▄▄▄▄▀▀░ ORG
[2023-10-26 13:28:09] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░░▄▄▄██▀▀▀▀░░░░░░░ #SUPERBOWL
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[2023-10-26 13:28:12] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ░░░▌░▄▄▄▐▌▀▀▀░░░░░░░
[2023-10-26 13:28:13] <friira> ▄░▐░░░▄▄░█░▀▀░░░░░░░ SEND THIS TO 4 PPL OR SKELINTONS WILL EAT YOU
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[2023-10-26 13:28:13] <armagetronbridge> 05irc:friira| ▄░▐░░░▄▄░█░▀▀░░░░░░░ SEND THIS TO 4 PPL OR SKELINTONS WILL EAT YOU
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[2023-10-26 13:28:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol
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[2023-10-26 13:28:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| lol
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[2023-10-26 13:29:04] <Juest> meh
[2023-10-26 13:29:04] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| meh
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[2023-10-26 13:35:17] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| guru3_ could nelg or lucifer maybe get ops perms here? It might be helpful to set nick reg requirements at the very least
[2023-10-26 13:35:18] <delinquent> guru3_ could nelg or lucifer maybe get ops perms here? It might be helpful to set nick reg requirements at the very least
[2023-10-26 13:35:38] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| now that this channel is hooked into the discord and the irc channel on libera its very obvious when problems occur
[2023-10-26 13:35:38] <delinquent> now that this channel is hooked into the discord and the irc channel on libera its very obvious when problems occur
[2023-10-26 13:35:50] <Juest> you could make this channel secret instead
[2023-10-26 13:35:51] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| you could make this channel secret instead
[2023-10-26 13:35:58] <Juest> that's a good solution for the supernets spam
[2023-10-26 13:35:59] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| that's a good solution for the supernets spam
[2023-10-26 13:36:18] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| maybe that too, but discoverability is already low for armagetron so
[2023-10-26 13:36:19] <delinquent> maybe that too, but discoverability is already low for armagetron so
[2023-10-26 13:36:58] <Juest> its not useful to set nick reg needed because the bots can register to nickserv, delinquent 
[2023-10-26 13:36:59] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| its not useful to set nick reg needed because the bots can register to nickserv, delinquent
[2023-10-26 13:37:25] <Juest> well maybe it is useful for the non-creative spam
[2023-10-26 13:37:26] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| well maybe it is useful for the non-creative spam
[2023-10-26 13:37:35] <armagetronbridge> 11irc:delinquent| It's not a preventative measure, it just makes life a little harder for spammers
[2023-10-26 13:37:35] <delinquent> It's not a preventative measure, it just makes life a little harder for spammers
[2023-10-26 13:37:41] <Juest> ah ok
[2023-10-26 13:37:42] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| ah ok
[2023-10-26 13:37:59] <armagetronbridge> 02irc:guru3_| No problem with adding Lucifer_arma or Z-Man, but neither are authed
[2023-10-26 13:37:59] <guru3_> No problem with adding Lucifer_arma or Z-Man, but neither are authed
[2023-10-26 13:38:29] <Juest> here on libera only z-man is in the channel access list
[2023-10-26 13:38:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14irc:Juest| here on libera only z-man is in the channel access list
[2023-10-26 13:38:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @zman_0 Lucifer_arma could maybe one of you auth? it would be helpful if we need to bump things at times
[2023-10-26 13:38:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| @zman_0 Lucifer_arma could maybe one of you auth? it would be helpful if we need to bump things at times
[2023-10-26 13:39:25] <Juest> on libera Armanelgtron is authed
[2023-10-26 13:39:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14irc:Juest| on libera Armanelgtron is authed
[2023-10-26 13:40:02] <Juest> z-man is a chanop here but not logged in
[2023-10-26 13:40:02] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| z-man is a chanop here but not logged in
[2023-10-26 13:40:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| We don't really have any problems on the libera side, I have a bit of back and forth with Libera's staff and they usually wrap up spammers pretty quiclk
[2023-10-26 13:40:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| We don't really have any problems on the libera side, I have a bit of back and forth with Libera's staff and they usually wrap up spammers pretty quiclk
[2023-10-26 13:40:33] <Juest> i guess
[2023-10-26 13:40:34] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i guess
[2023-10-26 13:41:48] <armagetronbridge> 02irc:guru3_| I've never noticed much IRC spam here on OFTC, but tbf I also don't check the channel daily
[2023-10-26 13:41:48] <guru3_> I've never noticed much IRC spam here on OFTC, but tbf I also don't check the channel daily
[2023-10-26 13:42:08] <Juest> yeah, its just now that its attacking 
[2023-10-26 13:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| yeah, its just now that its attacking
[2023-10-26 13:42:14] <Juest> i wouldnt worry too much about it
[2023-10-26 13:42:14] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| i wouldnt worry too much about it
[2023-10-26 13:42:17] <Juest> also im authed
[2023-10-26 13:42:17] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| also im authed
[2023-10-26 13:42:20] <armagetronbridge> 02irc:guru3_| I think there's been a sort of rush of IRC network attacks the last few weeks
[2023-10-26 13:42:21] <guru3_> I think there's been a sort of rush of IRC network attacks the last few weeks
[2023-10-26 13:42:35] <Juest> supernets spam happens randomly 
[2023-10-26 13:42:35] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| supernets spam happens randomly
[2023-10-26 13:42:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There has certainly been a notable uptick in spam on libera recently
[2023-10-26 13:42:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There has certainly been a notable uptick in spam on libera recently
[2023-10-26 13:42:47] <Juest> but also its dormant for a while
[2023-10-26 13:42:48] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| but also its dormant for a while
[2023-10-26 13:43:05] <Juest> they're spamming pissnet 
[2023-10-26 13:43:06] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| they're spamming pissnet
[2023-10-26 13:43:13] <Juest> and some other irc networks
[2023-10-26 13:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| and some other irc networks
[2023-10-26 13:43:16] <Juest> its very random
[2023-10-26 13:43:17] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| its very random
[2023-10-26 13:43:22] <Juest> and hard to mitigate
[2023-10-26 13:43:22] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| and hard to mitigate
[2023-10-26 13:43:39] <Juest> dont stress on it
[2023-10-26 13:43:39] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| dont stress on it
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[2023-10-26 21:39:51] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey
[2023-10-26 21:39:51] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey
[2023-10-26 21:40:16] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| now we cant say the network name or oftc zkills them
[2023-10-26 21:40:18] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| now we cant say the network name or oftc zkills them
[2023-10-26 21:40:23] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| either the relay or the user
[2023-10-26 21:40:23] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| either the relay or the user
[2023-10-26 21:40:41] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| aka super
[2023-10-26 21:40:41] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| aka super
[2023-10-26 21:40:45] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| net
[2023-10-26 21:40:46] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| net
[2023-10-26 22:40:02] <Lucifer_arma> brb
[2023-10-26 22:40:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| brb
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[2023-10-26 22:42:10] <Lucifer_arma> guru3_: authed
[2023-10-26 22:42:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| guru3_: authed
[2023-10-26 22:43:21] <Juest> configured sasl Lucifer_arma ?
[2023-10-26 22:43:21] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| configured sasl Lucifer_arma ?
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[2023-10-26 23:02:22] <Lucifer_arma> there's no sasl for oftc.  I just finished setting up ssl
[2023-10-26 23:02:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's no sasl for oftc.  I just finished setting up ssl
[2023-10-26 23:03:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i forgot, my bad
[2023-10-26 23:04:00] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| ah i forgot, my bad

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[2023-10-27 02:30:18] <armagetronbridge> 02irc:guru3_| Lucifer_arma: added
[2023-10-27 02:30:28] <guru3_> Lucifer_arma: added
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[2023-10-27 07:53:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| thanks guru3_
[2023-10-27 07:53:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| thanks guru3_
[2023-10-27 08:03:40] <Z-Man> I know nothing about IRC admin, do I still need to do something?
[2023-10-27 08:03:40] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| I know nothing about IRC admin, do I still need to do something?
[2023-10-27 08:05:31] <Z-Man> Our infrastructure on the big hosters, since it came up: We use Sourceforge as a convenient file archive.  None of the other services works as well for that.
[2023-10-27 08:05:32] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Our infrastructure on the big hosters, since it came up: We use Sourceforge as a convenient file archive.  None of the other services works as well for that.
[2023-10-27 08:10:14] <Z-Man> Launchpad is mostly used for the PPAs for Ubuntu users, but we also store releases there, and since it is faster than Sourceforge, our download links from the main page go there. Also, we still mirror our source to bzr branches there and that is still two way.
[2023-10-27 08:10:15] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Launchpad is mostly used for the PPAs for Ubuntu users, but we also store releases there, and since it is faster than Sourceforge, our download links from the main page go there. Also, we still mirror our source to bzr branches there and that is still two way.
[2023-10-27 08:11:22] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Main hub is Gitlab. Chosen over Github because of the Microsoft thing and because at that time, it had better CI. I think Github Actions did not even exist, people were using third party services.
[2023-10-27 08:11:23] <Z-Man> Main hub is Gitlab. Chosen over Github because of the Microsoft thing and because at that time, it had better CI. I think Github Actions did not even exist, people were using third party services.
[2023-10-27 08:12:52] <Z-Man> Github is used as a mirror. It's also two way, so we can in theory accept PRs there. Also, AppImageHub, when I integrated our AppImage there, basically required hosting the AppImages on Github releases, that is why they exist. And why I forgot about them. Stupid manual processes.
[2023-10-27 08:12:53] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Github is used as a mirror. It's also two way, so we can in theory accept PRs there. Also, AppImageHub, when I integrated our AppImage there, basically required hosting the AppImages on Github releases, that is why they exist. And why I forgot about them. Stupid manual processes.
[2023-10-27 08:14:10] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| THen we have our own infrastructure at download.armagetronad.org, filled by GitLab CI. Also holds our private flatpak repository.
[2023-10-27 08:14:10] <Z-Man> THen we have our own infrastructure at download.armagetronad.org, filled by GitLab CI. Also holds our private flatpak repository.
[2023-10-27 08:23:09] <Z-Man> Also, Flathub. That is pull based, however. When we have a full release, we have a git branch with the flatpak build definition in it, and we just bring that into flathub with a pull request.
[2023-10-27 08:23:10] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Also, Flathub. That is pull based, however. When we have a full release, we have a git branch with the flatpak build definition in it, and we just bring that into flathub with a pull request.
[2023-10-27 08:29:26] <Z-Man> Regarding Microsoft, in the PC space, they are mostly benign right now because they realized the user's OS matters a lot less than it used to. But they're still vicious at business. Bought Minecraft and turned it into a shop. Bought Acticision, one of the most toxic game publishers there is. They're still a corporation and not to be trusted; Github is closed source on the server side. Gitlab is open source and if need be, can be hosted on 
[2023-10-27 08:29:26] <Z-Man> premises. There is not even a decision to make here :)
[2023-10-27 08:29:26] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Regarding Microsoft, in the PC space, they are mostly benign right now because they realized the user's OS matters a lot less than it used to. But they're still vicious at business. Bought Minecraft and turned it into a shop. Bought Acticision, one of the most toxic game publishers there is. They're still a corporation and not to be trusted; Github is closed source on the server  <clipped message>
[2023-10-27 08:29:26] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| side. Gitlab is open source and if need be, can be hosted on
[2023-10-27 08:29:28] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| premises. There is not even a decision to make here :)
[2023-10-27 09:24:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Z-Man re: IRC admin, nothing at present. Lucifer is now op'd, all we needed was an extra op or two just in case we have further spam issues. Now that both IRC channels are hooked up to Discord, we can't have anyone falling foul of a phishing scam or another form of attack, especially since Discord's userbase includes the ranges that IRC once did - that being from early teens and up.
[2023-10-27 09:24:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Z-Man re: IRC admin, nothing at present. Lucifer is now op'd, all we needed was an extra op or two just in case we have further spam issues. Now that both IRC channels are hooked up to Discord, we can't have anyone falling foul of a phishing scam or another form of attack, especially since Discord's userbase includes the ranges that IRC once did - that being from early teens and up.
[2023-10-27 09:37:24] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| it should be reported to #oftc
[2023-10-27 09:37:24] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| it should be reported to #oftc
[2023-10-27 10:39:37] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| thanks for info Z-Man
[2023-10-27 10:39:37] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| thanks for info Z-Man
[2023-10-27 10:40:01] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| spam should be reported to #oftc
[2023-10-27 10:40:01] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| spam should be reported to #oftc
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[2023-10-27 19:54:08] <Juest> guru3_: your server is outdated :)
[2023-10-27 19:54:08] <armagetronbridge> 14irc:Juest| guru3_: your server is outdated :)
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[2023-10-27 23:28:35] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I can op myself
[2023-10-27 23:28:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I can op myself
[2023-10-27 23:28:51] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, what happened to the server list?
[2023-10-27 23:28:51] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| hey, what happened to the server list?
[2023-10-27 23:29:02] <Lucifer_arma> is it listless?
[2023-10-27 23:29:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| is it listless?
[2023-10-27 23:29:29] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| on the discord there was a channel that showed the server list via nelgtron api
[2023-10-27 23:29:29] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| on the discord there was a channel that showed the server list via nelgtron api
[2023-10-27 23:30:06] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| you can deop yourself too lucifer_arma :)
[2023-10-27 23:30:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| you can deop yourself too lucifer_arma :)

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[2023-10-28 00:54:23] <Lucifer_arma> am I op right now?  I kicked myself to test it
[2023-10-28 00:54:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| am I op right now?  I kicked myself to test it
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[2023-10-28 13:42:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| If you're an op, you should see an indicator next to your nick in the userlist. It may also be in your WHOIS. afaik most networks don't auto-op, you need to /op manually when necessary
[2023-10-28 13:42:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| If you're an op, you should see an indicator next to your nick in the userlist. It may also be in your WHOIS. afaik most networks don't auto-op, you need to /op manually when necessary
[2023-10-28 13:57:12] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| no because it's not auto op
[2023-10-28 13:57:13] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| no because it's not auto op
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[2023-10-28 23:09:48] <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not auto-op.  I'm not opped right now.  :)
[2023-10-28 23:09:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| no, it's not auto-op.  I'm not opped right now.  :)
[2023-10-28 23:10:14] <Lucifer_arma> it's a bit of a security hole to sit in a channel on op all the time.
[2023-10-28 23:10:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's a bit of a security hole to sit in a channel on op all the time.

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[2023-10-29 00:24:49] <Lucifer_arma> I'm old school.  I still bookmark web pages.
[2023-10-29 00:24:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm old school.  I still bookmark web pages.
[2023-10-29 00:32:38] <Lucifer_arma> I'm kinda dumb.  My cluster is running fine, but it was doing something I wasn't expecting in a way I wasn't expecting, because I never bothered to see how it worked.
[2023-10-29 00:32:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm kinda dumb.  My cluster is running fine, but it was doing something I wasn't expecting in a way I wasn't expecting, because I never bothered to see how it worked.
[2023-10-29 01:08:16] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| It's old school now to bookmark pages? Wtf
[2023-10-29 01:08:17] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| It's old school now to bookmark pages? Wtf
[2023-10-29 01:08:24] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| What do people do? Type the whole shit out?
[2023-10-29 01:08:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| What do people do? Type the whole shit out?
[2023-10-29 02:28:16] <Lucifer_arma> google it again
[2023-10-29 02:28:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| google it again
[2023-10-29 02:46:11] <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm 1/4 of the way through this one.  It's weird writing to a smaller target like 40k words.
[2023-10-29 02:46:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, I'm 1/4 of the way through this one.  It's weird writing to a smaller target like 40k words.
[2023-10-29 02:47:35] <Lucifer_arma> I'm working on my Plan B right now.  It's going to take longer to get the stockanalyst running, so I thought if I write a 40k word eBook, I could throw that on Amazon and get back to the stockanalyst.  Making it that small makes the whole process faster, so I figure I can publish roughly 40k words at a time, and when I have three stories, I can collect them into a collection and make a paperback
[2023-10-29 02:47:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm working on my Plan B right now.  It's going to take longer to get the stockanalyst running, so I thought if I write a 40k word eBook, I could throw that on Amazon and get back to the stockanalyst.  Making it that small makes the whole process faster, so I figure I can publish roughly 40k words at a time, and when I have three stories, I can collect them into a collection and make a paperback
[2023-10-29 03:56:52] <Lucifer_arma> It occurs to me that if this works out, I can organize future books in three acts, write them in three parts, and publish each part separately until the whole thing is ready
[2023-10-29 03:56:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It occurs to me that if this works out, I can organize future books in three acts, write them in three parts, and publish each part separately until the whole thing is ready
[2023-10-29 03:57:27] <Lucifer_arma> I wonder how people would react to reaching the end of a 40k word book and reading the words "To be continued..."
[2023-10-29 03:57:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I wonder how people would react to reaching the end of a 40k word book and reading the words "To be continued..."
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[2023-10-29 09:54:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I can't stand that phrase myself
[2023-10-29 09:54:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I can't stand that phrase myself
[2023-10-29 09:55:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Incidentally I've manage to write about ten thousand words for my own novel, but at the same time I've also started two other novels because I have brain bees.
[2023-10-29 09:55:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Incidentally I've manage to write about ten thousand words for my own novel, but at the same time I've also started two other novels because I have brain bees.
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[2023-10-29 18:53:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Yeah I type it out or google, haven’t bookmarked in years 😅
[2023-10-29 18:53:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Yeah I type it out or google, haven’t bookmarked in years 😅
[2023-10-29 18:58:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| That's crazy, I have about 40~50 pages bookmarked all separated into neat folders n shit
[2023-10-29 18:58:39] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| That's crazy, I have about 40~50 pages bookmarked all separated into neat folders n shit
[2023-10-29 18:59:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| But tbf, that's just for work. On personal I don't really use websites regularly enough, xcpt your stats and some other game pages (which are still bookmarked) everything else is a fucking app on my phone 😅
[2023-10-29 18:59:36] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| But tbf, that's just for work. On personal I don't really use websites regularly enough, xcpt your stats and some other game pages (which are still bookmarked) everything else is a fucking app on my phone 😅
[2023-10-29 19:22:10] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| im those who keep their browsing in open tabs instead of bookmarks or googling
[2023-10-29 19:22:10] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| im those who keep their browsing in open tabs instead of bookmarks or googling
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[2023-10-29 20:17:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I don't bookmark, I keep forgettin gthat bookmarks exist. I have a bad habit of dragging shortcuts onto my dekstop
[2023-10-29 20:17:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I don't bookmark, I keep forgettin gthat bookmarks exist. I have a bad habit of dragging shortcuts onto my dekstop
[2023-10-29 20:18:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| definitely chaotic evil vibes
[2023-10-29 20:18:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| definitely chaotic evil vibes
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[2023-10-29 22:22:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I have  about 50 folders, each with subfolders, each with many bookmarks in
[2023-10-29 22:22:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I have  about 50 folders, each with subfolders, each with many bookmarks in
[2023-10-29 22:44:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah hundreds of bookmarks in my browser
[2023-10-29 22:44:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| yeah hundreds of bookmarks in my browser
[2023-10-29 23:56:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:ZDHades| oh god thats horrifying
[2023-10-29 23:56:09] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:ZDHades| oh god thats horrifying

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[2023-10-30 01:36:32] <Lucifer_arma> I do all of that, and star emails that contain links I want to revisit later
[2023-10-30 01:36:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I do all of that, and star emails that contain links I want to revisit later
[2023-10-30 01:37:38] <Lucifer_arma> I currently have a bunch of tabs open with references to stuff for the stockanalyst.  I have a starred email for an application I need to finish.  And I bookmarked a page with a list of services that pay writers, but most of them aren't accepting submissions right now, so I want it there for later in next year
[2023-10-30 01:37:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I currently have a bunch of tabs open with references to stuff for the stockanalyst.  I have a starred email for an application I need to finish.  And I bookmarked a page with a list of services that pay writers, but most of them aren't accepting submissions right now, so I want it there for later in next year
[2023-10-30 01:38:16] <Lucifer_arma> but I rely almost exclusively on autocomplete in the url bar.  I start typing "gm" and then hit enter to go to gmail
[2023-10-30 01:38:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I rely almost exclusively on autocomplete in the url bar.  I start typing "gm" and then hit enter to go to gmail
[2023-10-30 01:39:07] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: to actually write a book, you have to sit down and write it.  :)  That sounds silly, but it's the whole reason National Novel Writing Month exists, and is starting this week.  It's November.
[2023-10-30 01:39:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: to actually write a book, you have to sit down and write it.  :)  That sounds silly, but it's the whole reason National Novel Writing Month exists, and is starting this week.  It's November.
[2023-10-30 01:39:51] <Lucifer_arma> Writing is my plan B.  I expect that when I have enough writing available on the marketplace, and I put some money into marketing it, well, I think I'm a good enough writer that I'll attract a large enough audience to at least pay my bills
[2023-10-30 01:39:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Writing is my plan B.  I expect that when I have enough writing available on the marketplace, and I put some money into marketing it, well, I think I'm a good enough writer that I'll attract a large enough audience to at least pay my bills
[2023-10-30 01:40:46] <Lucifer_arma> I think I have a bestseller in me, but I don't know if I've written it yet.  I have two rough drafts that are theoretically less than 40 hours of work each away from being publishable, but both are anchored in my most recent marriage
[2023-10-30 01:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think I have a bestseller in me, but I don't know if I've written it yet.  I have two rough drafts that are theoretically less than 40 hours of work each away from being publishable, but both are anchored in my most recent marriage
[2023-10-30 01:41:29] <Lucifer_arma> So working on them will put my head back into the past, and I don't want to do that right now.  Hence why I've come up with a new plan to write shorter stuff.  It should take roughly 1/3 of the time to revise a 40k manuscript that it takes for a 100+k manuscript
[2023-10-30 01:41:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| So working on them will put my head back into the past, and I don't want to do that right now.  Hence why I've come up with a new plan to write shorter stuff.  It should take roughly 1/3 of the time to revise a 40k manuscript that it takes for a 100+k manuscript
[2023-10-30 01:42:10] <Lucifer_arma> I figure I should be able to pump out something this small within a few weeks.  If I put the kind of work into it that I've put into the stockanalyst, I could actually have three of these shorter novels finished by the end of the year.
[2023-10-30 01:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I figure I should be able to pump out something this small within a few weeks.  If I put the kind of work into it that I've put into the stockanalyst, I could actually have three of these shorter novels finished by the end of the year.
[2023-10-30 01:42:33] <Lucifer_arma> Then I can worry about bringing one of these rough drafts over the finish line, you know, after I've got six months of sobriety under my belt and all.
[2023-10-30 01:42:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Then I can worry about bringing one of these rough drafts over the finish line, you know, after I've got six months of sobriety under my belt and all.
[2023-10-30 01:46:35] <Lucifer_arma> I'm just over 15k words for what I started a couple days ago.
[2023-10-30 01:46:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm just over 15k words for what I started a couple days ago.
[2023-10-30 01:55:09] <Lucifer_arma> I've set a 40k word deadline on November 6th.  I'm currently writing above the daily goal I need to achieve that.  I could be revised and ready to publish by the 12th, if I can meet that goal and have the story finished.
[2023-10-30 01:55:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've set a 40k word deadline on November 6th.  I'm currently writing above the daily goal I need to achieve that.  I could be revised and ready to publish by the 12th, if I can meet that goal and have the story finished.
[2023-10-30 01:56:32] <Lucifer_arma> I'm also taking some vacation time next week (I think it's next week, might be the week after that).  We'll see where I'm at for that.  I'll either spend it on the stockanalyst or I'll spend it writing, depending on where I'm at
[2023-10-30 01:56:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm also taking some vacation time next week (I think it's next week, might be the week after that).  We'll see where I'm at for that.  I'll either spend it on the stockanalyst or I'll spend it writing, depending on where I'm at
[2023-10-30 02:42:43] <Lucifer_arma> @delinquent: I just realized how important my spreadsheet is.  I track my word count with a spreadsheet.  It has a graph and everything.  There's a line for the average daily word count goal.  I update it while I'm writing, everytime I pause for something (like lighting a cigarette)
[2023-10-30 02:42:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @delinquent: I just realized how important my spreadsheet is.  I track my word count with a spreadsheet.  It has a graph and everything.  There's a line for the average daily word count goal.  I update it while I'm writing, everytime I pause for something (like lighting a cigarette)
[2023-10-30 02:43:29] <Lucifer_arma> when I was in rehab, the graph of the novel I was working on directly correlated with the depression and my recovery from it.  It's a neat graph to look at because it's not very often you can see your emotional state in a graph
[2023-10-30 02:43:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| when I was in rehab, the graph of the novel I was working on directly correlated with the depression and my recovery from it.  It's a neat graph to look at because it's not very often you can see your emotional state in a graph
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[2023-10-30 09:57:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| >  National Novel Writing Month
[2023-10-30 09:57:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm actually setting up a proper remote filesystem solution in short order so that I can take my laptop out and work on it elsewhere. Stuck inside these four walls day in day out is not great for the psyche.
[2023-10-30 09:57:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| >  National Novel Writing Month
[2023-10-30 09:57:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I'm actually setting up a proper remote filesystem solution in short order so that I can take my laptop out and work on it elsewhere. Stuck inside these four walls day in day out is not great for the psyche.
[2023-10-30 09:58:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I should start a proper information management system for this too, I'm writing an entire universe as opposed to a single novel, and keeping track of all this shit is way harder than I imagined it to be. I've already had to rewrite a chunk of it because I gave a given entity technology that they have no reason to have.
[2023-10-30 09:58:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| I should start a proper information management system for this too, I'm writing an entire universe as opposed to a single novel, and keeping track of all this shit is way harder than I imagined it to be. I've already had to rewrite a chunk of it because I gave a given entity technology that they have no reason to have.
[2023-10-30 09:58:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| On the other hand, I've created an entire navy's worth of ships, which is roaring fun if I say so myself.
[2023-10-30 09:58:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| On the other hand, I've created an entire navy's worth of ships, which is roaring fun if I say so myself.
[2023-10-30 10:05:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oh I realised I quoted and said nothing about it. I had no idea such a thing existed, I shall finish up my short story prequel I think.
[2023-10-30 10:05:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oh I realised I quoted and said nothing about it. I had no idea such a thing existed, I shall finish up my short story prequel I think.
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[2023-10-30 22:42:28] <Lucifer_arma> With that amount of creativity, if you find writing an actual story difficult, you can channel that work into a sourcebook for a tabletop RPG
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[2023-10-31 03:50:16] <Lucifer_arma> Well, 23.7k words now.  In four days.  I don't know why I'm so productive.  I usually start around 1700 word and take a few days to ramp up.  It's more like a week in when I start hitting these kinds of word counts.
[2023-10-31 03:50:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Well, 23.7k words now.  In four days.  I don't know why I'm so productive.  I usually start around 1700 word and take a few days to ramp up.  It's more like a week in when I start hitting these kinds of word counts.
[2023-10-31 03:51:01] <Lucifer_arma> I only spent one day planning, and I didn't plan much.  I spent most of that time planning my overall strategy, not the story itself.
[2023-10-31 03:51:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I only spent one day planning, and I didn't plan much.  I spent most of that time planning my overall strategy, not the story itself.
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[2023-10-31 10:49:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Yeah, I prefer to write in a stream of consciousness myself. 
[2023-10-31 10:49:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Yeah, I prefer to write in a stream of consciousness myself. 
[2023-10-31 10:49:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The ttrpg is a neat idea, but its not really the sort of thing I'm interesting in *making*, although playing is fun. I think its already been done in this genre too, couple decades ago with Starfire. Interestingly enough I wrote a hook for another novel in the same universe, this time a rather noir detective number with some sin city influences. I'm looking forward to it, I think
[2023-10-31 10:49:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| The ttrpg is a neat idea, but its not really the sort of thing I'm interesting in *making*, although playing is fun. I think its already been done in this genre too, couple decades ago with Starfire. Interestingly enough I wrote a hook for another novel in the same universe, this time a rather noir detective number with some sin city influences. I'm looking forward to it, I think
[2023-10-31 10:51:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for information organisation, I'm not usre yet. I think I'm going to have to do several sets of notes, given that I'm covering a good five or six interstellar nations, a great amount of future history, and generational changes in technology levels. I'm trying to build disaprity between advancement too, which is where I fell over with giving one nation a technology it should ne <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 10:51:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ver have had. Shouldn't be too hard tbh
[2023-10-31 10:51:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| As for information organisation, I'm not usre yet. I think I'm going to have to do several sets of notes, given that I'm covering a good five or six interstellar nations, a great amount of future history, and generational changes in technology levels. I'm trying to build disaprity between advancement too, which is where I fell over with giving one nation a technology it should ne <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 10:51:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| ver have had. Shouldn't be too hard tbh
[2023-10-31 12:16:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-31 12:16:07] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| cool
[2023-10-31 12:16:22] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont like taking notes or journaling
[2023-10-31 12:16:22] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| i dont like taking notes or journaling
[2023-10-31 12:16:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| because of the fear of possible eavesdropping including from myself
[2023-10-31 12:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| because of the fear of possible eavesdropping including from myself
[2023-10-31 12:16:59] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| its irrational, right?
[2023-10-31 12:16:59] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| its irrational, right?
[2023-10-31 12:17:11] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| just, something related to emotions too
[2023-10-31 12:17:11] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| just, something related to emotions too
[2023-10-31 17:34:08] <Lucifer_arma> Another little "trick" I've taken to: when I'm not ready to write a scene, but i know what should happen in it, I mark it TODO: and give notes for what happens.  Then I just continue after that scene.
[2023-10-31 17:34:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Another little "trick" I've taken to: when I'm not ready to write a scene, but i know what should happen in it, I mark it TODO: and give notes for what happens.  Then I just continue after that scene.
[2023-10-31 17:34:40] <Lucifer_arma> A rough draft that meets the word count goals but still has TODO's in it is considered "story complete", but the rough draft isn't complete until the TODO's are taken care of
[2023-10-31 17:34:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| A rough draft that meets the word count goals but still has TODO's in it is considered "story complete", but the rough draft isn't complete until the TODO's are taken care of
[2023-10-31 17:35:11] <Lucifer_arma> First thing I do when I'm story complete is word search TODO: and start writing those scenes
[2023-10-31 17:35:11] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| First thing I do when I'm story complete is word search TODO: and start writing those scenes
[2023-10-31 17:47:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Same here, I have a good four or five pages of TODO notes
[2023-10-31 17:47:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Same here, I have a good four or five pages of TODO notes
[2023-10-31 18:02:34] <Lucifer_arma> I have found that about half of my todo's are scenes that are going to be just as boring for the reader to read as they were when I decided to skip writing them, so I turn the notes into prose.  :)
[2023-10-31 18:02:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I have found that about half of my todo's are scenes that are going to be just as boring for the reader to read as they were when I decided to skip writing them, so I turn the notes into prose.  :)
[2023-10-31 18:03:55] <Lucifer_arma> truthfully, I should be writing screenplays.  90% of my rough drafts are dialogue only.  I have to add in narration during revisions.  Some dialogue will get replaced with narrative, but it just seems that if I write such dialogue-heavy rough drafts, I should be writing a play or a screenplay
[2023-10-31 18:03:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| truthfully, I should be writing screenplays.  90% of my rough drafts are dialogue only.  I have to add in narration during revisions.  Some dialogue will get replaced with narrative, but it just seems that if I write such dialogue-heavy rough drafts, I should be writing a play or a screenplay
[2023-10-31 18:04:39] <Lucifer_arma> or I should partner up with somebody who writes excellent narration, but sucks at dialogue :)
[2023-10-31 18:04:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| or I should partner up with somebody who writes excellent narration, but sucks at dialogue :)
[2023-10-31 18:29:25] <Lucifer_arma> okay, is it a diamond smuggling ring, or is it an abortion drug smuggling ring?  If the first, I can get pretty silly.  If the latter, it's a political statement of some sort.
[2023-10-31 18:29:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| okay, is it a diamond smuggling ring, or is it an abortion drug smuggling ring?  If the first, I can get pretty silly.  If the latter, it's a political statement of some sort.
[2023-10-31 18:29:53] <Lucifer_arma> One of my leads is pro-choice, and the other is staunchly pro-life, so there's some conflict I can have there
[2023-10-31 18:29:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| One of my leads is pro-choice, and the other is staunchly pro-life, so there's some conflict I can have there
[2023-10-31 18:53:20] <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's neither of those.  Those are both too obvious.  NOw that I've run the numbers, it has to be something really silly that's still totally illegal and would have to be smuggled.
[2023-10-31 18:53:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, it's neither of those.  Those are both too obvious.  NOw that I've run the numbers, it has to be something really silly that's still totally illegal and would have to be smuggled.
[2023-10-31 19:10:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Set it in China and have your titular lead smuggle GPUs in? That's actually a thing believe it or not
[2023-10-31 19:10:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Set it in China and have your titular lead smuggle GPUs in? That's actually a thing believe it or not
[2023-10-31 19:11:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or you could do that drug for FIP, it's nto FDA approved so cat owners have to buy it here or in the EU and smuggle it into the states
[2023-10-31 19:11:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| or you could do that drug for FIP, it's nto FDA approved so cat owners have to buy it here or in the EU and smuggle it into the states
[2023-10-31 19:11:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| one of the sysadmin IRC lot had to do that for one of her floofs
[2023-10-31 19:11:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| one of the sysadmin IRC lot had to do that for one of her floofs
[2023-10-31 19:14:37] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| maybe some gambling related stuff?
[2023-10-31 19:14:38] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| maybe some gambling related stuff?
[2023-10-31 19:14:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Remdesivir and GS-441524, in liquid and tablet form respectively
[2023-10-31 19:14:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Remdesivir and GS-441524, in liquid and tablet form respectively
[2023-10-31 19:58:01] <Lucifer_arma> Is it worth $100k on the market?
[2023-10-31 19:58:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Is it worth $100k on the market?
[2023-10-31 19:58:27] <Lucifer_arma> I was coming up with a standard prescription drug smuggling thing, because a lot of stuff in the US that's prescription only is over the counter in Mexico
[2023-10-31 19:58:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was coming up with a standard prescription drug smuggling thing, because a lot of stuff in the US that's prescription only is over the counter in Mexico
[2023-10-31 19:59:22] <Lucifer_arma> it's already set in Texas, but I did know about the smuggled GPU thing
[2023-10-31 19:59:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's already set in Texas, but I did know about the smuggled GPU thing
[2023-10-31 19:59:58] <Lucifer_arma> I was seriously considering Kinder Eggs
[2023-10-31 19:59:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was seriously considering Kinder Eggs
[2023-10-31 20:05:10] <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably going to just go with diamonds
[2023-10-31 20:05:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm probably going to just go with diamonds
[2023-10-31 20:05:56] <Lucifer_arma> these other things don't have significant comedic value and run the risk of making my antagonist look too much like a good guy
[2023-10-31 20:05:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| these other things don't have significant comedic value and run the risk of making my antagonist look too much like a good guy
[2023-10-31 21:02:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Diamonds make your protagonist look like the bad guy tbf. The vast majority of smuggled diamonds have passed through the hands of Wagner or its subsidiaries, and there's a whole tale of blood and tears and violence to go along with it. For quite some time, the illicit (and, in part, the legitimate) diamond trade was a huge portion of Russia's state income. The resolutions "enacte <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 21:02:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Diamonds make your protagonist look like the bad guy tbf. The vast majority of smuggled diamonds have passed through the hands of Wagner or its subsidiaries, and there's a whole tale of blood and tears and violence to go along with it. For quite some time, the illicit (and, in part, the legitimate) diamond trade was a huge portion of Russia's state income. The resolutions "enacte <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 21:02:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d" by De Beers did practically nothing to change that, either
[2023-10-31 21:02:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| d" by De Beers did practically nothing to change that, either
[2023-10-31 21:50:55] <Lucifer_arma> I found a middle ground.  I want the antagonist to be morally ambiguous, so I unhooked him from De Beers by making it a general gemstone heist, so the smuggling are stolen gems.
[2023-10-31 21:50:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I found a middle ground.  I want the antagonist to be morally ambiguous, so I unhooked him from De Beers by making it a general gemstone heist, so the smuggling are stolen gems.
[2023-10-31 21:51:37] <Lucifer_arma> And he's doing it using stolen bikes that were converted to e-bikes to get the gems across the border.  so the gems were stolen in europe and smuggled into the US.
[2023-10-31 21:51:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| And he's doing it using stolen bikes that were converted to e-bikes to get the gems across the border.  so the gems were stolen in europe and smuggled into the US.
[2023-10-31 21:51:51] <Lucifer_arma> my hero is investigating the bike thefts, and doesn't care about the rest as long as he gets his bike back
[2023-10-31 21:51:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| my hero is investigating the bike thefts, and doesn't care about the rest as long as he gets his bike back
[2023-10-31 21:52:03] <Lucifer_arma> it might classify as young adult fiction, to be honest.
[2023-10-31 21:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it might classify as young adult fiction, to be honest.
[2023-10-31 21:52:28] <Lucifer_arma> the size, the basic plot, the overall lack of swearing and violence.  I think I've accidentally written a YA novel
[2023-10-31 21:52:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the size, the basic plot, the overall lack of swearing and violence.  I think I've accidentally written a YA novel
[2023-10-31 21:52:52] <Lucifer_arma> (still only 3/4 through it, but at this rate, I'll finish today or tomorrow, probably tomorrow)
[2023-10-31 21:52:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (still only 3/4 through it, but at this rate, I'll finish today or tomorrow, probably tomorrow)
[2023-10-31 21:53:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oooh, here's one. There's a form of Fluorite called Blue John that has only ever been found in England, specifically the midlands. It is ruinously expensive, and somewhat useful for laser refraction in high powered environments. The US was experimenting some time ago with laser anti-air weapons, soooooooooooo
[2023-10-31 21:53:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Oooh, here's one. There's a form of Fluorite called Blue John that has only ever been found in England, specifically the midlands. It is ruinously expensive, and somewhat useful for laser refraction in high powered environments. The US was experimenting some time ago with laser anti-air weapons, soooooooooooo
[2023-10-31 21:53:59] <Lucifer_arma> that's interesting.
[2023-10-31 21:54:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that's interesting.
[2023-10-31 21:54:56] <Lucifer_arma> I can switch the original heist site to england, and then at the end have them discover what gems were really stolen and wonder where they ended up
[2023-10-31 21:54:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I can switch the original heist site to england, and then at the end have them discover what gems were really stolen and wonder where they ended up
[2023-10-31 21:55:17] <Lucifer_arma> that makes my recurring villain more interesting the next time he appears
[2023-10-31 21:55:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that makes my recurring villain more interesting the next time he appears
[2023-10-31 21:55:24] <Lucifer_arma> I like that, thank you, I'm going to go with that
[2023-10-31 21:55:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I like that, thank you, I'm going to go with that
[2023-10-31 21:55:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| it's handy because it refracts light at two separate, predictable angles, given that it is usually in the form of blue bands and yellow bands. By refracting a known percentage, you can get an accurate energy output reading without damaging your measuring equipment
[2023-10-31 21:55:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| it's handy because it refracts light at two separate, predictable angles, given that it is usually in the form of blue bands and yellow bands. By refracting a known percentage, you can get an accurate energy output reading without damaging your measuring equipment
[2023-10-31 21:57:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| heh, you could add a very stereotypical british detective into the mix, too. By that I mean morse-esque, rather than holmes
[2023-10-31 21:57:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| heh, you could add a very stereotypical british detective into the mix, too. By that I mean morse-esque, rather than holmes
[2023-10-31 22:00:56] <Lucifer_arma> I've got a former MI6 operative
[2023-10-31 22:00:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've got a former MI6 operative
[2023-10-31 22:01:31] <Lucifer_arma> she was ambiguous until you brought up the fluorite, then I gave her a manchester accent and made her former mi6
[2023-10-31 22:01:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| she was ambiguous until you brought up the fluorite, then I gave her a manchester accent and made her former mi6
[2023-10-31 22:02:22] <Lucifer_arma> there's no law enforcement in this story, so I'm going to wind up with two recurring antagonists from this, with the moral ambiguity needed to make them potential allies for certain stories in the future
[2023-10-31 22:02:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's no law enforcement in this story, so I'm going to wind up with two recurring antagonists from this, with the moral ambiguity needed to make them potential allies for certain stories in the future
[2023-10-31 22:02:30] <Lucifer_arma> which is exactly what I wanted out of the first story
[2023-10-31 22:02:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| which is exactly what I wanted out of the first story
[2023-10-31 22:05:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| SIS, not MI6. You'd want Security Services, though, or what we once called MI5. MI6 exclusively handles foreign affairs, MI5 handles domestic and domestic-toexport
[2023-10-31 22:05:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| SIS, not MI6. You'd want Security Services, though, or what we once called MI5. MI6 exclusively handles foreign affairs, MI5 handles domestic and domestic-toexport
[2023-10-31 22:06:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| GCHQ would handle any sigint stuff, so intercepted calls and the like
[2023-10-31 22:06:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| GCHQ would handle any sigint stuff, so intercepted calls and the like
[2023-10-31 22:06:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| computer penetration, that sorta thing
[2023-10-31 22:06:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| computer penetration, that sorta thing
[2023-10-31 22:07:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's actually a GCHQ building in Manchester too
[2023-10-31 22:07:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| There's actually a GCHQ building in Manchester too
[2023-10-31 22:08:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| although I might suggest you consider Scarborough, in Yorkshire. There's a GCHQ building there too, and Manchester is a bit northern for Blue John
[2023-10-31 22:08:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| although I might suggest you consider Scarborough, in Yorkshire. There's a GCHQ building there too, and Manchester is a bit northern for Blue John
[2023-10-31 22:08:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Security Services is Thames House, so I could imagine an operative being seconded within the bounds of compartmentalisation
[2023-10-31 22:08:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Security Services is Thames House, so I could imagine an operative being seconded within the bounds of compartmentalisation
[2023-10-31 22:40:38] <Lucifer_arma> Her work in british intelligence doesn't have to be related, here, since she's in the private sector.  I picked Manchester because that's one of the few british accents I can identify outright (although I can tell the difference between most of the ones that have come my way, I can't name where they're from)
[2023-10-31 22:40:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Her work in british intelligence doesn't have to be related, here, since she's in the private sector.  I picked Manchester because that's one of the few british accents I can identify outright (although I can tell the difference between most of the ones that have come my way, I can't name where they're from)
[2023-10-31 22:41:00] <Lucifer_arma> but I'll move her to SIS, because I want her to be former domestic work.  Does that mean SIS is british FBI?
[2023-10-31 22:41:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I'll move her to SIS, because I want her to be former domestic work.  Does that mean SIS is british FBI?
[2023-10-31 23:07:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| no no, SIS is foreign only. Security Services is domestic
[2023-10-31 23:07:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| no no, SIS is foreign only. Security Services is domestic
[2023-10-31 23:15:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| and... sort of. GCHQ does a lot of the sigint work, and then the investigative work is SIS or Sec depending on the nature of the issue. It gets more complicated when consider the structure of Five Eyes, but that's probably beyond the scope of anyone wanting to write anything other than the most stringent of works. 
[2023-10-31 23:15:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| and... sort of. GCHQ does a lot of the sigint work, and then the investigative work is SIS or Sec depending on the nature of the issue. It gets more complicated when consider the structure of Five Eyes, but that's probably beyond the scope of anyone wanting to write anything other than the most stringent of works. 
[2023-10-31 23:15:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| She'd be a Security Service employee, and most likely on secondment for the purpose of an investigation, but in the event of acting against the law in this regard, she'd most likely find a reason to be reactivated and be actively working to conceal her actions. The vast majority of SIS and Sec personnel are considered "lifetime active", and are also lightly monitored in civilian  <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 23:15:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| She'd be a Security Service employee, and most likely on secondment for the purpose of an investigation, but in the event of acting against the law in this regard, she'd most likely find a reason to be reactivated and be actively working to conceal her actions. The vast majority of SIS and Sec personnel are considered "lifetime active", and are also lightly monitored in civilian  <clipped message>
[2023-10-31 23:15:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| life after a specific treason case that practically broke an entire ledger of active ciphers during the cold war.
[2023-10-31 23:15:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| life after a specific treason case that practically broke an entire ledger of active ciphers during the cold war.
[2023-10-31 23:15:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Incidentally, that was why all of our numbers stations went green brig for a while. The blokey managed to escape with a whole set of shorthands, and at the time nobody knew *which* shorthands were compromised. There were operatives in the field and in the dark for over a year and we were damned lucky not to lose anyoen
[2023-10-31 23:15:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| Incidentally, that was why all of our numbers stations went green brig for a while. The blokey managed to escape with a whole set of shorthands, and at the time nobody knew *which* shorthands were compromised. There were operatives in the field and in the dark for over a year and we were damned lucky not to lose anyoen
[2023-10-31 23:16:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This was in the late 70's iirc. There was a doc on channel 4 about it back when I was a nipper
[2023-10-31 23:16:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Jack Skellingquent| This was in the late 70's iirc. There was a doc on channel 4 about it back when I was a nipper
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[2023-10-31 23:50:31] <Lucifer_arma> I vaguely remember that.  I mean, I was alive at the time, but that's not why I vaguely remember it.  It's come up, either in something I was watching/reading, or in my numerous deep dives into cold war incidents
[2023-10-31 23:50:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I vaguely remember that.  I mean, I was alive at the time, but that's not why I vaguely remember it.  It's come up, either in something I was watching/reading, or in my numerous deep dives into cold war incidents
[2023-10-31 23:51:13] <Lucifer_arma> interesting that she'd be monitored in her civilian life and could be reactivated.  That'll add an interesting depth to her character, meaning she's either gone rogue completely and may be wanted by british authorities, or she's not exactly a villain
[2023-10-31 23:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| interesting that she'd be monitored in her civilian life and could be reactivated.  That'll add an interesting depth to her character, meaning she's either gone rogue completely and may be wanted by british authorities, or she's not exactly a villain
[2023-10-31 23:51:59] <Lucifer_arma> after I finish this rough draft, I should sit down and write up some character sketches, since I'm intending to reuse most of the named characters and the as-yet unnamed villain.
[2023-10-31 23:51:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| after I finish this rough draft, I should sit down and write up some character sketches, since I'm intending to reuse most of the named characters and the as-yet unnamed villain.
[2023-10-31 23:52:51] <Lucifer_arma> I may not name him this time, either.  He's going to develop into my lead's nemesis.  They'll have a Holmes/Moriarty dynamic long term.  Or more like Professor X/Magneto.
[2023-10-31 23:52:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I may not name him this time, either.  He's going to develop into my lead's nemesis.  They'll have a Holmes/Moriarty dynamic long term.  Or more like Professor X/Magneto.
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