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[2024-07-12 04:43:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| national debt is a good thing
[2024-07-12 04:43:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| national debt is a good thing
[2024-07-12 04:45:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| interest rates are low
[2024-07-12 04:45:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| interest rates are low
[2024-07-12 04:45:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| borrowing helps manage inflation
[2024-07-12 04:46:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| borrowing helps manage inflation
[2024-07-12 04:46:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| high strength in the underlying currency
[2024-07-12 04:46:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| high strength in the underlying currency
[2024-07-12 04:46:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| international confidence in the nation's stability 
[2024-07-12 04:46:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| international confidence in the nation's stability 
[2024-07-12 04:46:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| this graph is believeable as "most developed nations" not "most indebted nations"
[2024-07-12 04:46:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| this graph is believeable as "most developed nations" not "most indebted nations"
[2024-07-12 04:46:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261242138650480670/file-LntRX9ldRiZN493Wq1kM1YAB.png?ex=66923ec6&is=6690ed46&hm=a7018c98e431c05e3c265902477d7095a9e07220e2b0dedc31aa96fe7c74b6a4&
[2024-07-12 04:46:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261242138650480670/file-LntRX9ldRiZN493Wq1kM1YAB.png?ex=66923ec6&is=6690ed46&hm=a7018c98e431c05e3c265902477d7095a9e07220e2b0dedc31aa96fe7c74b6a4&
[2024-07-12 04:46:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| normies just hear the word debt and get ptsd
[2024-07-12 04:46:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| normies just hear the word debt and get ptsd
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[2024-07-12 09:57:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| depends. national debt is not so fun if your liabilities are denominated in foreign currencies
[2024-07-12 09:57:04] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| depends. national debt is not so fun if your liabilities are denominated in foreign currencies
[2024-07-12 09:59:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it also needs to be balanced with available gdp
[2024-07-12 09:59:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it also needs to be balanced with available gdp
[2024-07-12 09:59:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in moderation, debt can be very useful in establishing stable and consistent trade between states, *when managed properly and maintained at a reasonable rate*
[2024-07-12 09:59:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in moderation, debt can be very useful in establishing stable and consistent trade between states, *when managed properly and maintained at a reasonable rate*
[2024-07-12 10:00:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| yeah, the amount itself means nothing without context
[2024-07-12 10:00:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| yeah, the amount itself means nothing without context
[2024-07-12 10:00:40] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| in theory if your debt allows investment into productive assets that yield more than the interest rate on debt, it's a good thing
[2024-07-12 10:00:41] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| in theory if your debt allows investment into productive assets that yield more than the interest rate on debt, it's a good thing
[2024-07-12 10:01:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| in practice there are so many factors to consider that the earlier statement is almost meaningless
[2024-07-12 10:01:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| in practice there are so many factors to consider that the earlier statement is almost meaningless
[2024-07-12 10:04:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| debt v austerity always makes for an interesting case study on paper, less so when you consider the real impact on average households
[2024-07-12 10:04:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| debt v austerity always makes for an interesting case study on paper, less so when you consider the real impact on average households
[2024-07-12 10:04:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| we know a little something about austerity
[2024-07-12 10:04:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| we know a little something about austerity
[2024-07-12 10:04:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lived it for over ten years
[2024-07-12 10:04:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lived it for over ten years
[2024-07-12 10:04:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it fucking sucks
[2024-07-12 10:04:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it fucking sucks
[2024-07-12 10:05:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| because tories take austerity as cutting all expenses, including productive ones
[2024-07-12 10:05:02] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| because tories take austerity as cutting all expenses, including productive ones
[2024-07-12 10:05:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| *Royal Mail for sale, Queen's head privatised*
[2024-07-12 10:05:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| *Royal Mail for sale, Queen's head privatised*
[2024-07-12 10:05:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it was more than that
[2024-07-12 10:05:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it was more than that
[2024-07-12 10:05:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| of course
[2024-07-12 10:05:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| of course
[2024-07-12 10:05:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| public ownership of national infrastructure was treated as a saleable commodity
[2024-07-12 10:05:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| public ownership of national infrastructure was treated as a saleable commodity
[2024-07-12 10:06:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not just royal mail
[2024-07-12 10:06:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not just royal mail
[2024-07-12 10:06:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| so many government services are now run by third party operators its unreal
[2024-07-12 10:06:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| so many government services are now run by third party operators its unreal
[2024-07-12 10:06:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| cause we need competition in a market that is a natural monopoly!
[2024-07-12 10:06:37] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| cause we need competition in a market that is a natural monopoly!
[2024-07-12 10:08:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| there is a balance to strike to find the most efficient outcome, full nationalisation is wasteful but full privatisation is arguably worse
[2024-07-12 10:08:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| there is a balance to strike to find the most efficient outcome, full nationalisation is wasteful but full privatisation is arguably worse
[2024-07-12 10:08:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| equal waste but with less accountability
[2024-07-12 10:08:37] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| equal waste but with less accountability
[2024-07-12 10:09:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's where we had the balance already. RM was private, but we had plenty of third party operators also supplying dedicated services, like parcelforce etcetera
[2024-07-12 10:09:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's where we had the balance already. RM was private, but we had plenty of third party operators also supplying dedicated services, like parcelforce etcetera
[2024-07-12 10:09:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| uh
[2024-07-12 10:09:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| uh
[2024-07-12 10:09:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| RM was public *
[2024-07-12 10:09:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| RM was public *
[2024-07-12 10:09:36] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| that sounds like balance, yes. from what I have observed that works best
[2024-07-12 10:09:36] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| that sounds like balance, yes. from what I have observed that works best
[2024-07-12 10:10:48] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| are train operations and track maintenance also separate in uk?
[2024-07-12 10:10:48] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| are train operations and track maintenance also separate in uk?
[2024-07-12 10:14:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| kind of. National Rail is a government-held company, with a Limited Company style structure. It's considered a public body, so it operates as a public asset for the time being. There was a plan to replace it with a new public body with a focus on renationalisation that I *think* is still being upheld by the new government. It's kinda complicated
[2024-07-12 10:14:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| kind of. National Rail is a government-held company, with a Limited Company style structure. It's considered a public body, so it operates as a public asset for the time being. There was a plan to replace it with a new public body with a focus on renationalisation that I *think* is still being upheld by the new government. It's kinda complicated
[2024-07-12 10:15:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Also National Rail replaced Railtrack, which replaced something else, and it's been a shitstorm ever since the THatcher days
[2024-07-12 10:15:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Also National Rail replaced Railtrack, which replaced something else, and it's been a shitstorm ever since the THatcher days
[2024-07-12 10:15:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| dont get me started on British Railways or the British Railways Board
[2024-07-12 10:15:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| dont get me started on British Railways or the British Railways Board
[2024-07-12 10:25:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| eh, hope you will finally find your way to less complicated times
[2024-07-12 10:25:01] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| eh, hope you will finally find your way to less complicated times
[2024-07-12 10:25:13] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| meanwhile in NL literal nazi's
[2024-07-12 10:25:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| meanwhile in NL literal nazi's
[2024-07-12 10:25:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| were elected to form a government
[2024-07-12 10:25:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| were elected to form a government
[2024-07-12 12:07:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh good grief
[2024-07-12 12:07:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh good grief
[2024-07-12 12:07:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm reading about wilders now
[2024-07-12 12:07:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm reading about wilders now
[2024-07-12 12:07:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what a bellend
[2024-07-12 12:07:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what a bellend
[2024-07-12 12:09:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| holy shit he's literally a great replacement theorist
[2024-07-12 12:09:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| holy shit he's literally a great replacement theorist
[2024-07-12 12:20:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| yep
[2024-07-12 12:20:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| yep
[2024-07-12 12:20:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| the new government is filled with them
[2024-07-12 12:20:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| the new government is filled with them
[2024-07-12 12:21:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| one guy literally tweeted a nazi collaborator propaganda poster as a meme ahead of the NL-EN game
[2024-07-12 12:21:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| one guy literally tweeted a nazi collaborator propaganda poster as a meme ahead of the NL-EN game
[2024-07-12 12:23:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| the first couple of candidates for the actual PM post (wilders is too controversial) didn't pass the vetting process for national security reasons
[2024-07-12 12:23:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| the first couple of candidates for the actual PM post (wilders is too controversial) didn't pass the vetting process for national security reasons
[2024-07-12 12:27:53] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| the guy for the economics post ran his business to bankruptcy, while subject to conflict of interest (he contracted his own business while being head of some lobby group)
[2024-07-12 12:27:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| the guy for the economics post ran his business to bankruptcy, while subject to conflict of interest (he contracted his own business while being head of some lobby group)
[2024-07-12 12:28:53] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| the woman for the asylum and migration is a great replacement theorist
[2024-07-12 12:28:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| the woman for the asylum and migration is a great replacement theorist
[2024-07-12 12:29:44] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| hanlons razor does not apply anymore
[2024-07-12 12:29:44] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| hanlons razor does not apply anymore
[2024-07-12 14:01:37] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:schplorf| national debt mfs when they find out you can just troll everyone that owes you money and not pay
[2024-07-12 14:01:38] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:schplorf| national debt mfs when they find out you can just troll everyone that owes you money and not pay
[2024-07-12 14:13:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Greece tried that
[2024-07-12 14:13:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Greece tried that
[2024-07-12 14:18:42] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Hello. I was wondering if I could maybe be part of the team. I'd like to provide new sound effects and a more detailed cycle model
[2024-07-12 14:18:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Hello. I was wondering if I could maybe be part of the team. I'd like to provide new sound effects and a more detailed cycle model
[2024-07-12 14:29:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's no need to get any sort of official sanction, if you're interested in modding tron you can just fork the project on gitlab. Have a play and see what you can come up with
[2024-07-12 14:29:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's no need to get any sort of official sanction, if you're interested in modding tron you can just fork the project on gitlab. Have a play and see what you can come up with
[2024-07-12 14:29:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/
[2024-07-12 14:29:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/
[2024-07-12 14:30:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| couple mods have been incorporated into release over the years. Sty, AP, CT, some of Loverboy's stuff, other bits and pieces
[2024-07-12 14:30:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| couple mods have been incorporated into release over the years. Sty, AP, CT, some of Loverboy's stuff, other bits and pieces
[2024-07-12 14:30:32] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well I was talking more for the Steam version
[2024-07-12 14:30:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well I was talking more for the Steam version
[2024-07-12 14:31:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the steam release has the same source, it's all built from trunk
[2024-07-12 14:31:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the steam release has the same source, it's all built from trunk
[2024-07-12 14:36:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @deevdarabbit I think if you produce good diffs/code, Z-Man (the project admin/leader) will merge them. Eventually, with enough good diffs, you may get access to the codebase. I could be wrong.
[2024-07-12 14:36:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @deevdarabbit I think if you produce good diffs/code, Z-Man (the project admin/leader) will merge them. Eventually, with enough good diffs, you may get access to the codebase. I could be wrong.
[2024-07-12 14:36:45] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| What is a diff
[2024-07-12 14:36:45] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| What is a diff
[2024-07-12 14:37:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| A diff is a piece of code.
[2024-07-12 14:37:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| A diff is a piece of code.
[2024-07-12 14:37:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its like a modification or an addition
[2024-07-12 14:37:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its like a modification or an addition
[2024-07-12 14:37:49] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well it's not code for me, it's assets
[2024-07-12 14:37:49] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well it's not code for me, it's assets
[2024-07-12 14:38:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeeh sure i get that
[2024-07-12 14:38:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeeh sure i get that
[2024-07-12 14:38:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| @deevdarabbit maybe consider making a moviepack then?
[2024-07-12 14:38:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| @deevdarabbit maybe consider making a moviepack then?
[2024-07-12 14:38:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| How do those work
[2024-07-12 14:38:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| How do those work
[2024-07-12 14:38:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well if you make good assets Z-Man would add them to the codebase
[2024-07-12 14:38:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well if you make good assets Z-Man would add them to the codebase
[2024-07-12 14:38:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Moviepacks
[2024-07-12 14:38:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Moviepacks
[2024-07-12 14:39:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| For what it's worth, the game really needs better sounds
[2024-07-12 14:39:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| For what it's worth, the game really needs better sounds
[2024-07-12 14:39:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| So a moviepack is like a mod?
[2024-07-12 14:39:25] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| So a moviepack is like a mod?
[2024-07-12 14:39:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes
[2024-07-12 14:39:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes
[2024-07-12 14:39:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sortat
[2024-07-12 14:39:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sortat
[2024-07-12 14:39:40] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Yeah it really does
[2024-07-12 14:39:40] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Yeah it really does
[2024-07-12 14:39:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| More like a set of graphical assets that replace existing assets
[2024-07-12 14:39:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| More like a set of graphical assets that replace existing assets
[2024-07-12 14:40:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Personally I quite like the sound effects, but that's mostly because they sound like an old 80's arcade console
[2024-07-12 14:40:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Personally I quite like the sound effects, but that's mostly because they sound like an old 80's arcade console
[2024-07-12 14:40:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| The sounds on 0.4 are shite
[2024-07-12 14:40:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| The sounds on 0.4 are shite
[2024-07-12 14:40:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I use 0.4 and would appreciate better sounds so ...
[2024-07-12 14:40:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I use 0.4 and would appreciate better sounds so ...
[2024-07-12 14:41:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, 0.4 is awful imo. In 0.4 the sound assets are actual .oggs though, in 0.2 a lot of the sound is (iirc) generated in-situ
[2024-07-12 14:41:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, 0.4 is awful imo. In 0.4 the sound assets are actual .oggs though, in 0.2 a lot of the sound is (iirc) generated in-situ
[2024-07-12 14:41:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I didnt know that. Personally, I'd prefer to have synth/generated sounds than just ogg.s where possible.
[2024-07-12 14:41:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I didnt know that. Personally, I'd prefer to have synth/generated sounds than just ogg.s where possible.
[2024-07-12 14:42:14] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| however, for some sounds, that would not be possible
[2024-07-12 14:42:14] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| however, for some sounds, that would not be possible
[2024-07-12 14:42:27] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| such as the " 1 2 3"
[2024-07-12 14:42:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| such as the " 1 2 3"
[2024-07-12 14:42:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| But yeah, make some stuff and see what the devs think.
[2024-07-12 14:42:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| But yeah, make some stuff and see what the devs think.
[2024-07-12 14:47:03] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
[2024-07-12 14:47:03] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
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[2024-07-12 14:59:50] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Where should I post said stuff
[2024-07-12 14:59:50] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Where should I post said stuff
[2024-07-12 15:03:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If you make a moviepack, post it on the forums and link it here. If you make assets, put them on gitlab and link them here. That should suffice
[2024-07-12 15:03:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| If you make a moviepack, post it on the forums and link it here. If you make assets, put them on gitlab and link them here. That should suffice
[2024-07-12 15:04:12] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| How could I program in an extra sound for turning
[2024-07-12 15:04:12] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| How could I program in an extra sound for turning
[2024-07-12 15:06:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| good question. If you're looking at 0.4 I'd suggest just making a file. I forget whether or not turns are runtime-0generated
[2024-07-12 15:06:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| good question. If you're looking at 0.4 I'd suggest just making a file. I forget whether or not turns are runtime-0generated
[2024-07-12 15:10:06] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Can the model for the cycle be imported into Blender?
[2024-07-12 15:10:06] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Can the model for the cycle be imported into Blender?
[2024-07-12 15:27:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Because they seem to be in a format I can't import
[2024-07-12 15:27:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Because they seem to be in a format I can't import
[2024-07-12 15:30:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| .ase is an ascii export model. Make your model in blender first, then export it to the ascii structure
[2024-07-12 15:30:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| .ase is an ascii export model. Make your model in blender first, then export it to the ascii structure
[2024-07-12 15:30:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well thing is I wanted to edit the already existing model
[2024-07-12 15:30:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well thing is I wanted to edit the already existing model
[2024-07-12 15:31:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmmm. I'm not sure if you can, lemme have a look
[2024-07-12 15:31:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmmm. I'm not sure if you can, lemme have a look
[2024-07-12 15:33:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what version of blender you got installed?
[2024-07-12 15:33:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what version of blender you got installed?
[2024-07-12 15:33:45] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| 4.1
[2024-07-12 15:33:45] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| 4.1
[2024-07-12 15:36:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hm. Everything I've found points to 2.5x. There *is* a 2.8 plugin, but that's only for export. 
[2024-07-12 15:36:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hm. Everything I've found points to 2.5x. There *is* a 2.8 plugin, but that's only for export. 
[2024-07-12 15:36:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could try https://imagetostl.com/convert/file/ase/to/blend, but I would be wary of sites that offer conversion services like that. I've used them myself once or twice buuuuuuut
[2024-07-12 15:36:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| You could try https://imagetostl.com/convert/file/ase/to/blend, but I would be wary of sites that offer conversion services like that. I've used them myself once or twice buuuuuuut
[2024-07-12 15:37:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Thanks
[2024-07-12 15:37:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Thanks
[2024-07-12 15:52:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Oh, looks like the ASE I downloaded has a different cycle model\
[2024-07-12 15:52:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Oh, looks like the ASE I downloaded has a different cycle model\
[2024-07-12 15:52:58] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Oh, the vanilla cycle from the Steam version is in a custom format, nothing can import it. It's a cheap transform from three ASEs
[2024-07-12 15:52:58] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Oh, the vanilla cycle from the Steam version is in a custom format, nothing can import it. It's a cheap transform from three ASEs
[2024-07-12 15:53:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Damn...
[2024-07-12 15:53:29] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Damn...
[2024-07-12 15:53:36] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Reason being that I did not want to make it too obvious I used a .... umm.... DEMO version of 3DMax to create them. Yes. Definitely, such a thing existed.
[2024-07-12 15:53:37] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Reason being that I did not want to make it too obvious I used a .... umm.... DEMO version of 3DMax to create them. Yes. Definitely, such a thing existed.
[2024-07-12 15:53:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ah, to be a student
[2024-07-12 15:53:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ah, to be a student
[2024-07-12 15:54:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well what if I helped with a different format?
[2024-07-12 15:54:12] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Well what if I helped with a different format?
[2024-07-12 15:58:44] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Anything that can easily be turned into a list of triangles with texture coordinates should be fine, without too much complexity. Preferably ASE, because a loader for that already exists, but things like STEP could work as well (though I don't know whether that has texture coordinates). The vanilla cycles don't have proper texture coordinates baked into the model files, BTW, the  <clipped message>
[2024-07-12 15:58:45] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Anything that can easily be turned into a list of triangles with texture coordinates should be fine, without too much complexity. Preferably ASE, because a loader for that already exists, but things like STEP could work as well (though I don't know whether that has texture coordinates). The vanilla cycles don't have proper texture coordinates baked into the model files, BTW, the  <clipped message>
[2024-07-12 15:58:45] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| textures are just projected from the sides. But clearly, that is not the proper way 🙂
[2024-07-12 15:58:45] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| textures are just projected from the sides. But clearly, that is not the proper way 🙂
[2024-07-12 16:00:11] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| A lot of 3D model formats these days are complex to read, sadly, because they usually have a ton of different ways to pack the geometry.
[2024-07-12 16:00:11] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| A lot of 3D model formats these days are complex to read, sadly, because they usually have a ton of different ways to pack the geometry.
[2024-07-12 16:00:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| What about FBX or OBJ?
[2024-07-12 16:00:59] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| What about FBX or OBJ?
[2024-07-12 16:01:09] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| As for sound, I think the turn sound is still hard coded to be the same as the explosion on 0.4 :/
[2024-07-12 16:01:10] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| As for sound, I think the turn sound is still hard coded to be the same as the explosion on 0.4 :/
[2024-07-12 16:06:41] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Hm
[2024-07-12 16:06:41] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Hm
[2024-07-12 16:07:13] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| FBX is proprietary by Adobe, I think we need to rule it out on that ground. If you mean that OBJ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefront_.obj_file Yeah, that looks  quite readable, at least the triangulated bits.
[2024-07-12 16:07:13] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| FBX is proprietary by Adobe, I think we need to rule it out on that ground. If you mean that OBJ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefront_.obj_file Yeah, that looks  quite readable, at least the triangulated bits.
[2024-07-12 16:07:45] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| (The 3DSMax format was also called .OBJ and was binary, that would be harder)
[2024-07-12 16:07:45] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| (The 3DSMax format was also called .OBJ and was binary, that would be harder)
[2024-07-12 16:08:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| I use Blender
[2024-07-12 16:08:02] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| I use Blender
[2024-07-12 16:08:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| It appears DAE is also open
[2024-07-12 16:08:28] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| It appears DAE is also open
[2024-07-12 16:11:46] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Blender's .OBJ looks fine. Yeah, it's the one I linked.
[2024-07-12 16:11:46] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Blender's .OBJ looks fine. Yeah, it's the one I linked.
[2024-07-12 16:12:13] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| I might even be able to convert the vanilla cycles to that.
[2024-07-12 16:12:13] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| I might even be able to convert the vanilla cycles to that.
[2024-07-12 16:12:15] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Alright, well do you have the file for the current cycle model? I want to add details over them
[2024-07-12 16:12:15] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Alright, well do you have the file for the current cycle model? I want to add details over them
[2024-07-12 16:12:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| And improve the poly count. I know how to do that properly
[2024-07-12 16:12:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| And improve the poly count. I know how to do that properly
[2024-07-12 16:15:23] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Yeah, no, sadly not yet. But it's doable. It's just that I'll be away from the big PC starting monday, with not much time to hack until then. I'll be packing blender and python, maybe I can do something.
[2024-07-12 16:15:24] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Yeah, no, sadly not yet. But it's doable. It's just that I'll be away from the big PC starting monday, with not much time to hack until then. I'll be packing blender and python, maybe I can do something.
[2024-07-12 16:17:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Alright. Feel free to message me whenever you're finally able to do something
[2024-07-12 16:17:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Alright. Feel free to message me whenever you're finally able to do something
[2024-07-12 16:18:01] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| HEH our .mod format ALMOST already is an .OBJ. How crazy is that?
[2024-07-12 16:18:01] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| HEH our .mod format ALMOST already is an .OBJ. How crazy is that?
[2024-07-12 16:18:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Just one step away. Once they are OBJs, the Steam version should become easier to mod
[2024-07-12 16:18:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Just one step away. Once they are OBJs, the Steam version should become easier to mod
[2024-07-12 16:18:46] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Do you have plans on adding Workshop support?
[2024-07-12 16:18:46] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Do you have plans on adding Workshop support?
[2024-07-12 16:23:26] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:olive2306| that's a schplorf
[2024-07-12 16:23:26] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:olive2306| that's a schplorf
[2024-07-12 16:23:58] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:schplorf| uwu
[2024-07-12 16:23:59] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:schplorf| uwu
[2024-07-12 16:24:49] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| No, no Workshop. That probably would require proprietary Steam stuff, and even if not, it would be Steam user exclusive.
[2024-07-12 16:24:49] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| No, no Workshop. That probably would require proprietary Steam stuff, and even if not, it would be Steam user exclusive.
[2024-07-12 16:25:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
[2024-07-12 16:25:05] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
[2024-07-12 16:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Converted from thee .mods using a text editor 🙂
[2024-07-12 16:42:10] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Converted from thee .mods using a text editor 🙂
[2024-07-12 16:42:10] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422371877949631/cycle_body.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=9b1a42acbc7ad9e6c6e2133adfad5adf2e130364b674fae618d355ee2fa79e41&
[2024-07-12 16:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422371877949631/cycle_body.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=9b1a42acbc7ad9e6c6e2133adfad5adf2e130364b674fae618d355ee2fa79e41&
[2024-07-12 16:42:11] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422372268015738/cycle_front.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=4bdf6676ee3a8f44713a4ea35b31414405a4a50c93fb2ce88e445574323d697f&
[2024-07-12 16:42:11] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422372268015738/cycle_front.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=4bdf6676ee3a8f44713a4ea35b31414405a4a50c93fb2ce88e445574323d697f&
[2024-07-12 16:42:12] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422372645507093/cycle_rear.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=b4cb861e90547e7a6e1afa51c7aeac616dd4ae0ddcfb44c2313f8e9fd371a477&
[2024-07-12 16:42:12] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261422372645507093/cycle_rear.obj?ex=6692e6a1&is=66919521&hm=b4cb861e90547e7a6e1afa51c7aeac616dd4ae0ddcfb44c2313f8e9fd371a477&
[2024-07-12 16:43:45] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Right, these three modes are then, of course, combined with some coordinate transformations and rotations (like in blender, our z is up, whereas in 3DSMax, y was up). And they're without texture coordinates. Those require real coding to get right.
[2024-07-12 16:43:45] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Right, these three modes are then, of course, combined with some coordinate transformations and rotations (like in blender, our z is up, whereas in 3DSMax, y was up). And they're without texture coordinates. Those require real coding to get right.
[2024-07-12 16:44:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Thanks
[2024-07-12 16:44:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Thanks
[2024-07-12 16:51:13] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| If I put them together into a blender file and export that whole, the three objects stay separate in the file. I might be able to work with that combination... a problem is that the format does not know about object transformations, so the wheels will be just a bunch of polygons somewhere with not immediately obvious center to rotate around. But as long as they stay symmetrical,  <clipped message>
[2024-07-12 16:51:14] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| If I put them together into a blender file and export that whole, the three objects stay separate in the file. I might be able to work with that combination... a problem is that the format does not know about object transformations, so the wheels will be just a bunch of polygons somewhere with not immediately obvious center to rotate around. But as long as they stay symmetrical,  <clipped message>
[2024-07-12 16:51:14] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| it would be easy enough to find.
[2024-07-12 16:51:14] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| it would be easy enough to find.
[2024-07-12 16:52:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Is that why there are faces inside the mesh of the wheel?
[2024-07-12 16:52:11] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Is that why there are faces inside the mesh of the wheel?
[2024-07-12 16:53:17] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| You mean when the wheels and body are put together? Yeah. It would have required more polygons and modeling skill to give the wheels proper cases 🙂
[2024-07-12 16:53:17] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| You mean when the wheels and body are put together? Yeah. It would have required more polygons and modeling skill to give the wheels proper cases 🙂
[2024-07-12 16:53:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| No I mean the wheel mesh has polygons on the inside for some reason. I had to get rid of those for proper subdivision
[2024-07-12 16:53:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| No I mean the wheel mesh has polygons on the inside for some reason. I had to get rid of those for proper subdivision
[2024-07-12 16:54:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Making sure getting rid of them won't cause any issues
[2024-07-12 16:54:04] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Making sure getting rid of them won't cause any issues
[2024-07-12 16:59:18] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Oh, no, those just come from me being a crappy modeller. I think I did one half wheel, then mirrored it to get the other half.
[2024-07-12 16:59:20] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Oh, no, those just come from me being a crappy modeller. I think I did one half wheel, then mirrored it to get the other half.
[2024-07-12 17:02:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ah, well you now have a semi-competent modeler to help\
[2024-07-12 17:02:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ah, well you now have a semi-competent modeler to help\
[2024-07-12 17:07:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261428741272240220/image.png?ex=6692ec90&is=66919b10&hm=93dc3d2ca94d2e42a554fb94e91900e1d8995ec1da9b8f76419dca86e8437930&
[2024-07-12 17:07:28] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261428741272240220/image.png?ex=6692ec90&is=66919b10&hm=93dc3d2ca94d2e42a554fb94e91900e1d8995ec1da9b8f76419dca86e8437930&
[2024-07-12 17:09:34] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Nice!
[2024-07-12 17:09:34] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Nice!
[2024-07-12 17:09:39] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:M3l0n| Not sure how helpful this might be but when i was messing around with cycle models for the game, i did some experiments with .mod models instead of .ase (since .ase files didn't work with rotating wheels). I made a quick script that i could use in blender to export the vertices and faces into a .mod format. here it is if you want to use it
[2024-07-12 17:09:39] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:M3l0n| Not sure how helpful this might be but when i was messing around with cycle models for the game, i did some experiments with .mod models instead of .ase (since .ase files didn't work with rotating wheels). I made a quick script that i could use in blender to export the vertices and faces into a .mod format. here it is if you want to use it
[2024-07-12 17:09:39] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:M3l0n| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261429290051043369/export_mod.py?ex=6692ed12&is=66919b92&hm=7c863e92b786e65dcd898b7d5fa6af7a29a5b69d4a16d52903399a8cac13ef92&
[2024-07-12 17:09:40] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:M3l0n| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261429290051043369/export_mod.py?ex=6692ed12&is=66919b92&hm=7c863e92b786e65dcd898b7d5fa6af7a29a5b69d4a16d52903399a8cac13ef92&
[2024-07-12 17:13:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Will split faces for sharp edges cause any issues?
[2024-07-12 17:13:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Will split faces for sharp edges cause any issues?
[2024-07-12 17:14:30] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| I checked the game code, the correct translations to use for me if I import the files into blender all at once are:
[2024-07-12 17:14:30] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| I checked the game code, the correct translations to use for me if I import the files into blender all at once are:
[2024-07-12 17:14:31] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| front wheel: x = 0.34, y = -0.43
[2024-07-12 17:14:31] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| front wheel: x = 0.34, y = -0.43
[2024-07-12 17:14:32] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| rear wheel: x = -1.5, y = -0.73
[2024-07-12 17:14:32] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| rear wheel: x = -1.5, y = -0.73
[2024-07-12 17:14:33] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| body: x = -1.5
[2024-07-12 17:14:33] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| body: x = -1.5
[2024-07-12 17:14:35] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| all other coordinates 0. Interestingly, it decided to import the models all rotated 90 degrees around the X axis. Actually undoing that makes the bike stand upright. Then the placement would be 
[2024-07-12 17:14:35] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| all other coordinates 0. Interestingly, it decided to import the models all rotated 90 degrees around the X axis. Actually undoing that makes the bike stand upright. Then the placement would be 
[2024-07-12 17:14:36] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| front wheel: x = 0.34, z = 0.43
[2024-07-12 17:14:36] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| front wheel: x = 0.34, z = 0.43
[2024-07-12 17:14:37] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| rear wheel: x = -1.5, z = 0.73
[2024-07-12 17:14:37] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| rear wheel: x = -1.5, z = 0.73
[2024-07-12 17:14:38] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| body: x = -1.5
[2024-07-12 17:14:39] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| body: x = -1.5
[2024-07-12 17:15:45] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| I don't think so. Blender exports the normal vectors it is using, as long as they produce good shading, we can just take them instead of the custom normal blending code.
[2024-07-12 17:15:46] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| I don't think so. Blender exports the normal vectors it is using, as long as they produce good shading, we can just take them instead of the custom normal blending code.
[2024-07-12 17:16:12] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
[2024-07-12 17:16:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Ok
[2024-07-12 17:40:19] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Trying to define UVs
[2024-07-12 17:40:19] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Trying to define UVs
[2024-07-12 17:40:20] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261437008643883030/image.png?ex=6692f443&is=6691a2c3&hm=309f64f6294475f55fcebf13757da56a53c86ad981e89ff47b9ea3f1f47ebe01&
[2024-07-12 17:40:20] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261437008643883030/image.png?ex=6692f443&is=6691a2c3&hm=309f64f6294475f55fcebf13757da56a53c86ad981e89ff47b9ea3f1f47ebe01&
[2024-07-12 17:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261438115449667584/image.png?ex=6692f54b&is=6691a3cb&hm=8020e8f30856a209c36e54d3152498240a3b26b8f7fa675326f3b3070589a77e&
[2024-07-12 17:44:43] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261438115449667584/image.png?ex=6692f54b&is=6691a3cb&hm=8020e8f30856a209c36e54d3152498240a3b26b8f7fa675326f3b3070589a77e&
[2024-07-12 17:45:00] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| The reason is so I can add the details in the right places but MAN it's hard
[2024-07-12 17:45:00] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| The reason is so I can add the details in the right places but MAN it's hard
[2024-07-12 17:49:19] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Though maybe it's better I just start from scratch and just use the current model as a reference
[2024-07-12 17:49:19] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Though maybe it's better I just start from scratch and just use the current model as a reference
[2024-07-12 18:15:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261445980361068654/image.png?ex=6692fc9e&is=6691ab1e&hm=d349061e62902e4251942b1c5979fe6163014af6a54e1795b0abb755892ae8f7&
[2024-07-12 18:15:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1261445980361068654/image.png?ex=6692fc9e&is=6691ab1e&hm=d349061e62902e4251942b1c5979fe6163014af6a54e1795b0abb755892ae8f7&
[2024-07-12 18:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:zman_0| Very possibly 🙂
[2024-07-12 18:23:56] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:zman_0| Very possibly 🙂
[2024-07-12 19:01:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:pineapple (Astral)| cali so fun rn
[2024-07-12 19:01:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:pineapple (Astral)| cali so fun rn
[2024-07-12 19:01:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:pineapple (Astral)| been here since july 2nd
[2024-07-12 19:01:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:pineapple (Astral)| been here since july 2nd
[2024-07-12 19:52:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| I tried to make a server but my friends can't find it
[2024-07-12 19:52:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| I tried to make a server but my friends can't find it
[2024-07-12 19:53:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| at home?
[2024-07-12 19:53:03] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| at home?
[2024-07-12 19:57:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Yes
[2024-07-12 19:57:39] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Yes
[2024-07-12 19:58:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you got access to your router?
[2024-07-12 19:58:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you got access to your router?
[2024-07-12 19:58:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Why is that?
[2024-07-12 19:58:27] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Why is that?
[2024-07-12 19:58:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you need to forward port 4534 to whatever device your server is running on
[2024-07-12 19:58:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you need to forward port 4534 to whatever device your server is running on
[2024-07-12 19:58:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, 4534 over UDP
[2024-07-12 19:58:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, 4534 over UDP
[2024-07-12 19:59:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| then, if you're in windows, make a firewall exception for port 4535. If you're on linus, `sudo ufw allow 4534/udp`
[2024-07-12 19:59:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| then, if you're in windows, make a firewall exception for port 4535. If you're on linus, `sudo ufw allow 4534/udp`
[2024-07-12 19:59:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| (and then prolly restart ufw)
[2024-07-12 19:59:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| (and then prolly restart ufw)
[2024-07-12 20:00:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| >  make a firewall exception for port 4535
[2024-07-12 20:00:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| >  make a firewall exception for port 4535
[2024-07-12 20:00:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Make that 4534, sorry. And remember, it's UDP
[2024-07-12 20:00:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Make that 4534, sorry. And remember, it's UDP
[2024-07-12 20:00:41] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Jeez... This stuff scares me
[2024-07-12 20:00:41] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Jeez... This stuff scares me
[2024-07-12 20:00:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| guess what? There's a nifty lil site that shows you just how to do it
[2024-07-12 20:00:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| guess what? There's a nifty lil site that shows you just how to do it
[2024-07-12 20:01:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| find your router make and model, and fidn it in the big list here: https://portforward.com/router.htm
[2024-07-12 20:01:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| find your router make and model, and fidn it in the big list here: https://portforward.com/router.htm
[2024-07-12 20:02:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| DON'T use the network utilities software. It's known to cause issues with a few ISP supplied routers
[2024-07-12 20:02:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| DON'T use the network utilities software. It's known to cause issues with a few ISP supplied routers
[2024-07-12 20:15:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Wish this game had adjustable camera speeds
[2024-07-12 20:15:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:deevdarabbit| Wish this game had adjustable camera speeds
[2024-07-12 20:15:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you can change the turn speed I think
[2024-07-12 20:15:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you can change the turn speed I think
[2024-07-12 20:16:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php/Console_Commands
[2024-07-12 20:16:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php/Console_Commands
[2024-07-12 20:16:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye
[2024-07-12 20:16:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye
[2024-07-12 20:16:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| `camera_custom_turn_speed`
[2024-07-12 20:16:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| `camera_custom_turn_speed`
[2024-07-12 20:16:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| means you gotta enable the custom cam tho
[2024-07-12 20:16:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| means you gotta enable the custom cam tho
[2024-07-12 20:21:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye get sorted @deevdarabbit
[2024-07-12 20:21:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye get sorted @deevdarabbit
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