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[2024-07-26 05:32:25] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| You know, I was thinking about this this morning. Didn't Amiga also use double-click?
[2024-07-26 05:32:25] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| You know, I was thinking about this this morning. Didn't Amiga also use double-click?
[2024-07-26 05:33:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| wtf is amiga
[2024-07-26 05:33:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| wtf is amiga
[2024-07-26 05:36:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| english is just poorly pronounced french
[2024-07-26 05:36:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| english is just poorly pronounced french
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[2024-07-26 07:20:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub yes Amiga did use double-click
[2024-07-26 07:20:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub yes Amiga did use double-click
[2024-07-26 07:20:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I thought as much. I haven't had an amiga since I was *very( small
[2024-07-26 07:20:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I thought as much. I haven't had an amiga since I was *very( small
[2024-07-26 07:20:56] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| A500 FTW
[2024-07-26 07:20:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| A500 FTW
[2024-07-26 07:21:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I wish we had more platform variety ngl
[2024-07-26 07:21:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I wish we had more platform variety ngl
[2024-07-26 07:22:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| If you mean in general, there is a few..like Arm, RISCV there used to be more
[2024-07-26 07:22:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| If you mean in general, there is a few..like Arm, RISCV there used to be more
[2024-07-26 07:23:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No I mean major operating systems
[2024-07-26 07:23:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No I mean major operating systems
[2024-07-26 07:23:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Amiga, Atari, et al
[2024-07-26 07:23:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Amiga, Atari, et al
[2024-07-26 07:23:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah agreed
[2024-07-26 07:23:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah agreed
[2024-07-26 07:25:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| It might happen in the future...with the likes of Haiku, Linux, *BSD, ReactoOS, ... but i think it will take a long time for them to become mainstream if at all
[2024-07-26 07:25:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| It might happen in the future...with the likes of Haiku, Linux, *BSD, ReactoOS, ... but i think it will take a long time for them to become mainstream if at all
[2024-07-26 07:25:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Haiku is that replica windows environment right?
[2024-07-26 07:25:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Haiku is that replica windows environment right?
[2024-07-26 07:25:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| no its BEOS
[2024-07-26 07:25:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| no its BEOS
[2024-07-26 07:25:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh right, gotcha
[2024-07-26 07:25:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh right, gotcha
[2024-07-26 07:25:56] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ReactOS is the windows clone
[2024-07-26 07:25:56] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ReactOS is the windows clone
[2024-07-26 07:26:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i hope that takes off
[2024-07-26 07:26:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i hope that takes off
[2024-07-26 07:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye I don't think reactos is ever gonna be mainstream. It might be usable as a daily one day though
[2024-07-26 07:26:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ye I don't think reactos is ever gonna be mainstream. It might be usable as a daily one day though
[2024-07-26 07:26:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but tbh the scale and scope of the windows stack is far beyond what a small foss team can replicate alone
[2024-07-26 07:26:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but tbh the scale and scope of the windows stack is far beyond what a small foss team can replicate alone
[2024-07-26 07:27:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| they are increasing their dev team and they use code from the FOSS world
[2024-07-26 07:27:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| they are increasing their dev team and they use code from the FOSS world
[2024-07-26 07:27:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but yeah
[2024-07-26 07:27:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but yeah
[2024-07-26 07:27:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oooh
[2024-07-26 07:27:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oooh
[2024-07-26 07:28:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, imo the only real approach is to develop both a software *and* hardware platform that outperforms windows/macos in some way. Maybe use soemthing other than binary idk
[2024-07-26 07:28:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, imo the only real approach is to develop both a software *and* hardware platform that outperforms windows/macos in some way. Maybe use soemthing other than binary idk
[2024-07-26 07:28:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I had a theory about a trinary platform that uses hi/lo/off, but changing voltage that accurately that quickly isn't possible on silicon
[2024-07-26 07:28:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I had a theory about a trinary platform that uses hi/lo/off, but changing voltage that accurately that quickly isn't possible on silicon
[2024-07-26 07:28:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| maybe on graphene though
[2024-07-26 07:28:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| maybe on graphene though
[2024-07-26 07:29:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well we have quantum computers at some point
[2024-07-26 07:29:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well we have quantum computers at some point
[2024-07-26 07:29:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I hihgly doubt we will see legitimate quantum computing in this century
[2024-07-26 07:29:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I hihgly doubt we will see legitimate quantum computing in this century
[2024-07-26 07:30:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| we don't have true entanglement yet
[2024-07-26 07:30:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| we don't have true entanglement yet
[2024-07-26 07:30:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's like fusion. Always ten years away, and all the achievements are massively overhyped
[2024-07-26 07:30:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's like fusion. Always ten years away, and all the achievements are massively overhyped
[2024-07-26 07:31:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| true
[2024-07-26 07:31:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| true
[2024-07-26 07:32:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| quantum computing is dead
[2024-07-26 07:33:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| quantum computing is dead
[2024-07-26 07:33:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the energy requirements to create the environment necessary for those calculations (basically absolute zero) is just too vast for many companies to be willing to invest into
[2024-07-26 07:33:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the energy requirements to create the environment necessary for those calculations (basically absolute zero) is just too vast for many companies to be willing to invest into
[2024-07-26 07:33:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| extropic based calculations are the future
[2024-07-26 07:33:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| extropic based calculations are the future
[2024-07-26 07:34:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| many quantum researchers near the SOTA have transitioned into brownian motion based systems
[2024-07-26 07:34:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| many quantum researchers near the SOTA have transitioned into brownian motion based systems
[2024-07-26 07:35:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| using natural fluctuations for stochastic modelling like monte carlo sims
[2024-07-26 07:35:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| using natural fluctuations for stochastic modelling like monte carlo sims
[2024-07-26 07:36:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| massive overhead though
[2024-07-26 07:36:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| massive overhead though
[2024-07-26 07:36:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| way less overheard compared to quantum
[2024-07-26 07:36:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| way less overheard compared to quantum
[2024-07-26 07:36:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| room temp systems vs -273
[2024-07-26 07:36:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| room temp systems vs -273
[2024-07-26 07:36:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, I mean in respect to calculative overhead
[2024-07-26 07:36:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, I mean in respect to calculative overhead
[2024-07-26 07:36:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| oh yeah
[2024-07-26 07:36:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| oh yeah
[2024-07-26 07:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| cant comment too much on that
[2024-07-26 07:37:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| cant comment too much on that
[2024-07-26 07:37:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think many projects are kinda at the whitepaper stage
[2024-07-26 07:37:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think many projects are kinda at the whitepaper stage
[2024-07-26 07:37:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| as opposed to prototypes
[2024-07-26 07:37:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| as opposed to prototypes
[2024-07-26 07:37:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| random stepping will inevitably result in useless information 99% of the time, so you have two overheads - teh first being the calculative process, the second being the solutive extraction
[2024-07-26 07:37:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| random stepping will inevitably result in useless information 99% of the time, so you have two overheads - teh first being the calculative process, the second being the solutive extraction
[2024-07-26 07:38:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| depends on the usecase
[2024-07-26 07:38:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| depends on the usecase
[2024-07-26 07:38:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| its also kinda wasteful, that's a lot of calculation done for no purpose at all
[2024-07-26 07:38:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| its also kinda wasteful, that's a lot of calculation done for no purpose at all
[2024-07-26 07:38:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if its something like determining the average of a large dataset
[2024-07-26 07:38:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if its something like determining the average of a large dataset
[2024-07-26 07:38:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| random stepping is very effective
[2024-07-26 07:38:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| random stepping is very effective
[2024-07-26 07:38:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you could technically use it to do cryptography very easily though
[2024-07-26 07:38:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you could technically use it to do cryptography very easily though
[2024-07-26 07:38:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IMO we will have biological computers at some point
[2024-07-26 07:38:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IMO we will have biological computers at some point
[2024-07-26 07:38:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| We alrteady do monke
[2024-07-26 07:38:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| We alrteady do monke
[2024-07-26 07:38:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im using it right now to type this
[2024-07-26 07:38:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| im using it right now to type this
[2024-07-26 07:39:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in fact there's lots of legislation in the works around it
[2024-07-26 07:39:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in fact there's lots of legislation in the works around it
[2024-07-26 07:39:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| :GigaBrain:
[2024-07-26 07:39:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| :GigaBrain:
[2024-07-26 07:39:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's that computer with artifical brain tissue that fkin rules at pong
[2024-07-26 07:39:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's that computer with artifical brain tissue that fkin rules at pong
[2024-07-26 07:39:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.94.3.814
[2024-07-26 07:39:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.94.3.814
[2024-07-26 07:39:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| look at stochastic mechanisms in gene expression
[2024-07-26 07:39:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| look at stochastic mechanisms in gene expression
[2024-07-26 07:39:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| problem with biological computing is that a computer then has a shelf life
[2024-07-26 07:39:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| problem with biological computing is that a computer then has a shelf life
[2024-07-26 07:40:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| shittt did you see those little brains theyre making with the eyes in the lab
[2024-07-26 07:40:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| shittt did you see those little brains theyre making with the eyes in the lab
[2024-07-26 07:40:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| extremely creepy i forgot what they called them
[2024-07-26 07:40:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| extremely creepy i forgot what they called them
[2024-07-26 07:40:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| organoids
[2024-07-26 07:40:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| organoids
[2024-07-26 07:40:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266359577180635207/low-res_this_image_shows_a_brain_organoid_with_optic_cups_credit_elke_gabriel_2021_1jpg.png?ex=66a4dcc3&is=66a38b43&hm=a670410564e91dec0eb5d728c0b1f54464768602e976202a796e627fe1d140d6&
[2024-07-26 07:40:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266359577180635207/low-res_this_image_shows_a_brain_organoid_with_optic_cups_credit_elke_gabriel_2021_1jpg.png?ex=66a4dcc3&is=66a38b43&hm=a670410564e91dec0eb5d728c0b1f54464768602e976202a796e627fe1d140d6&
[2024-07-26 07:40:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| they're actually growing eyes
[2024-07-26 07:40:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| they're actually growing eyes
[2024-07-26 07:40:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| > probabilistic outcomes 
[2024-07-26 07:40:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| > probabilistic outcomes 
[2024-07-26 07:40:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's a problem for home computing. Fine if you want to simulate, but lacking in proof methodology
[2024-07-26 07:41:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's a problem for home computing. Fine if you want to simulate, but lacking in proof methodology
[2024-07-26 07:41:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you need a proofing wrapper for a platform like that
[2024-07-26 07:41:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you need a proofing wrapper for a platform like that
[2024-07-26 07:41:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| technically possible, but I haven;'t the foggiest how you would go about it. I'm barely understanding the process tbf tho
[2024-07-26 07:41:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| technically possible, but I haven;'t the foggiest how you would go about it. I'm barely understanding the process tbf tho
[2024-07-26 07:41:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you can approximate most calculations
[2024-07-26 07:41:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| you can approximate most calculations
[2024-07-26 07:41:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you're right though its a massive overhead
[2024-07-26 07:41:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| you're right though its a massive overhead
[2024-07-26 07:41:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not in cryptography and security!
[2024-07-26 07:41:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not in cryptography and security!
[2024-07-26 07:42:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| with something like graphical generation though, yes
[2024-07-26 07:42:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| with something like graphical generation though, yes
[2024-07-26 07:42:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but its very limited in scope. You couldn't apply that process to something like CRISPR, for example
[2024-07-26 07:42:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but its very limited in scope. You couldn't apply that process to something like CRISPR, for example
[2024-07-26 07:42:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, you could, but you;d have to then refine it
[2024-07-26 07:42:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, you could, but you;d have to then refine it
[2024-07-26 07:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im lacking a lot of credentials to continue this much further
[2024-07-26 07:43:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| im lacking a lot of credentials to continue this much further
[2024-07-26 07:43:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but i think i was reading how they can use map probability distributions over binary states
[2024-07-26 07:43:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but i think i was reading how they can use map probability distributions over binary states
[2024-07-26 07:43:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I lack any to be discussing this whatsoever, ngl
[2024-07-26 07:43:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I lack any to be discussing this whatsoever, ngl
[2024-07-26 07:43:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| loool
[2024-07-26 07:43:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| loool
[2024-07-26 07:43:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but yeah, I wanna get away from binary. It's so very black and white
[2024-07-26 07:43:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but yeah, I wanna get away from binary. It's so very black and white
[2024-07-26 07:43:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm only half joking too
[2024-07-26 07:43:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm only half joking too
[2024-07-26 07:44:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im just a wagie in a cagie
[2024-07-26 07:44:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| im just a wagie in a cagie
[2024-07-26 07:44:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9844c3h3
[2024-07-26 07:44:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9844c3h3
[2024-07-26 07:44:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Isn't that exxentially noise reduction?
[2024-07-26 07:44:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Isn't that exxentially noise reduction?
[2024-07-26 07:45:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh, ye, first header
[2024-07-26 07:45:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh, ye, first header
[2024-07-26 07:45:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| > without lossy dielectrics
[2024-07-26 07:45:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| > without lossy dielectrics
[2024-07-26 07:45:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah i think this is primarily for optimisation problems
[2024-07-26 07:45:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah i think this is primarily for optimisation problems
[2024-07-26 07:45:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like efficient routes for deliveries
[2024-07-26 07:45:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like efficient routes for deliveries
[2024-07-26 07:45:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hah, that author likes bill wurtz
[2024-07-26 07:45:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hah, that author likes bill wurtz
[2024-07-26 07:45:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but theres mentions around key generation and breaking codes
[2024-07-26 07:45:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but theres mentions around key generation and breaking codes
[2024-07-26 07:46:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.extropic.ai/ ive been following these guys
[2024-07-26 07:46:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.extropic.ai/ ive been following these guys
[2024-07-26 07:46:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| man I hate LLMs so much
[2024-07-26 07:46:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| man I hate LLMs so much
[2024-07-26 07:46:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| fuck complacency
[2024-07-26 07:46:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| fuck complacency
[2024-07-26 07:46:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I dont know about you guys but AI scares the shit out of me
[2024-07-26 07:46:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I dont know about you guys but AI scares the shit out of me
[2024-07-26 07:46:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| its nto even ai
[2024-07-26 07:46:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| its nto even ai
[2024-07-26 07:47:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean in general
[2024-07-26 07:47:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean in general
[2024-07-26 07:47:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m so so so ready for AI
[2024-07-26 07:47:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m so so so ready for AI
[2024-07-26 07:47:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the safety researchers are finally giving up
[2024-07-26 07:47:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the safety researchers are finally giving up
[2024-07-26 07:47:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mapped out the proper creation process for an abstract ai years ago. an LLM does sweet fuck all to meet the criteria
[2024-07-26 07:47:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mapped out the proper creation process for an abstract ai years ago. an LLM does sweet fuck all to meet the criteria
[2024-07-26 07:47:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| keep your regulation away from me
[2024-07-26 07:47:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| keep your regulation away from me
[2024-07-26 07:47:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| fuck that, regulated it out of existence please
[2024-07-26 07:47:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| fuck that, regulated it out of existence please
[2024-07-26 07:47:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| they said GPT2 was “too dangerous” for the public
[2024-07-26 07:47:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| they said GPT2 was “too dangerous” for the public
[2024-07-26 07:48:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| bunch of politicians trying to tell me what i can and can’t do to make my work easier
[2024-07-26 07:48:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| bunch of politicians trying to tell me what i can and can’t do to make my work easier
[2024-07-26 07:48:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in any case, teh computing requirements for an *actual* ai don't exist yet
[2024-07-26 07:48:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in any case, teh computing requirements for an *actual* ai don't exist yet
[2024-07-26 07:49:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I tried the abstract thought model a few years ago. It sucked up a terabyte of memory and promptly fell over
[2024-07-26 07:49:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I tried the abstract thought model a few years ago. It sucked up a terabyte of memory and promptly fell over
[2024-07-26 07:49:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and thats' without the context model or anything else that would remotely resemble conditional thought processes
[2024-07-26 07:49:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and thats' without the context model or anything else that would remotely resemble conditional thought processes
[2024-07-26 07:50:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m so sick of so many arguments
[2024-07-26 07:50:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m so sick of so many arguments
[2024-07-26 07:50:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| around jobs too
[2024-07-26 07:50:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| around jobs too
[2024-07-26 07:50:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| people saying jobs will be taken
[2024-07-26 07:50:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| people saying jobs will be taken
[2024-07-26 07:50:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well we need to create brains for actual AI
[2024-07-26 07:50:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| well we need to create brains for actual AI
[2024-07-26 07:50:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like half the jobs we do today even existed 100 years ago
[2024-07-26 07:50:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like half the jobs we do today even existed 100 years ago
[2024-07-26 07:50:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not that that will be too far off
[2024-07-26 07:50:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not that that will be too far off
[2024-07-26 07:50:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh ya, that argument is nevery going to be realistic
[2024-07-26 07:50:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh ya, that argument is nevery going to be realistic
[2024-07-26 07:51:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think it’s analogous to big companies using bug bounty programs to bolster security
[2024-07-26 07:51:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think it’s analogous to big companies using bug bounty programs to bolster security
[2024-07-26 07:51:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| sometimes you just need to start a fire before you truly know what’s flammable
[2024-07-26 07:51:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| sometimes you just need to start a fire before you truly know what’s flammable
[2024-07-26 07:51:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the earlier we start those fires the less likely they are to burn everything
[2024-07-26 07:51:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the earlier we start those fires the less likely they are to burn everything
[2024-07-26 07:51:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| move fast break things
[2024-07-26 07:51:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| move fast break things
[2024-07-26 07:52:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nah monk, no need for a brain. What you really need is a vast number of processing spaces with dedicated but interconnected memory. Then you need something to functionally shift and adapt responses, so some form of input. Then a whole bucnh of other stuff. It's all possible, just not quite ready yet.
[2024-07-26 07:52:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nah monk, no need for a brain. What you really need is a vast number of processing spaces with dedicated but interconnected memory. Then you need something to functionally shift and adapt responses, so some form of input. Then a whole bucnh of other stuff. It's all possible, just not quite ready yet.
[2024-07-26 07:52:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| that's a brain
[2024-07-26 07:52:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| that's a brain
[2024-07-26 07:52:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also you really need a non-binary approach to it, which would permit contextual multi-solution arguments
[2024-07-26 07:52:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also you really need a non-binary approach to it, which would permit contextual multi-solution arguments
[2024-07-26 07:52:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well yes, but in silicon
[2024-07-26 07:52:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well yes, but in silicon
[2024-07-26 07:53:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also the design structure would be nothing like the brian, no areas specifically dedicated to one thing or t'other
[2024-07-26 07:53:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also the design structure would be nothing like the brian, no areas specifically dedicated to one thing or t'other
[2024-07-26 07:53:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no thalamus, no hippocampus, etc etc
[2024-07-26 07:53:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no thalamus, no hippocampus, etc etc
[2024-07-26 07:53:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| in a human, that works. In a computer, that's inefficient
[2024-07-26 07:53:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| in a human, that works. In a computer, that's inefficient
[2024-07-26 07:53:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| a basic brain then
[2024-07-26 07:53:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| a basic brain then
[2024-07-26 07:53:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| more like a massive SoC
[2024-07-26 07:53:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| more like a massive SoC
[2024-07-26 07:53:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| more generalised
[2024-07-26 07:53:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| more generalised
[2024-07-26 07:53:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think calling any computing platform that isn’t carbon based is somewhat disingenuous
[2024-07-26 07:53:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think calling any computing platform that isn’t carbon based is somewhat disingenuous
[2024-07-26 07:54:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| why?
[2024-07-26 07:54:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| why?
[2024-07-26 07:54:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| does a brain have to be biological?
[2024-07-26 07:54:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| does a brain have to be biological?
[2024-07-26 07:54:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| at present yes. in the future, maybe not
[2024-07-26 07:54:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| at present yes. in the future, maybe not
[2024-07-26 07:55:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| new words for new concepts
[2024-07-26 07:55:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| new words for new concepts
[2024-07-26 07:55:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what about a hybrid?
[2024-07-26 07:55:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what about a hybrid?
[2024-07-26 07:55:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd rather call an Ai processing centre something differnet myself
[2024-07-26 07:55:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd rather call an Ai processing centre something differnet myself
[2024-07-26 07:55:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| true i get that
[2024-07-26 07:55:37] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| true i get that
[2024-07-26 07:55:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but in this specific context, brain suffices
[2024-07-26 07:55:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but in this specific context, brain suffices
[2024-07-26 07:55:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| *for nwo*
[2024-07-26 07:55:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| *for nwo*
[2024-07-26 07:55:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lol
[2024-07-26 07:55:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lol
[2024-07-26 07:56:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I do want to try the abstract model again sometime though. I have to build it againthough
[2024-07-26 07:56:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I do want to try the abstract model again sometime though. I have to build it againthough
[2024-07-26 07:56:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but yeah i passionately fight in the ai wars on the side of the accelerationists
[2024-07-26 07:56:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but yeah i passionately fight in the ai wars on the side of the accelerationists
[2024-07-26 07:56:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| that’s actually what the acc in my username represents
[2024-07-26 07:56:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| that’s actually what the acc in my username represents
[2024-07-26 07:56:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| OIC
[2024-07-26 07:56:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| OIC
[2024-07-26 07:56:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m a menace on twitter
[2024-07-26 07:56:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m a menace on twitter
[2024-07-26 07:57:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it’s also a play on syn ack ofc
[2024-07-26 07:57:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it’s also a play on syn ack ofc
[2024-07-26 07:57:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm somewhat more barsoomian in my apporach
[2024-07-26 07:57:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm somewhat more barsoomian in my apporach
[2024-07-26 07:57:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I think AI will be the death of us because we as a race are crap and stupid and greedy
[2024-07-26 07:57:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I think AI will be the death of us because we as a race are crap and stupid and greedy
[2024-07-26 07:57:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Sometimes I describe myself as a separationist
[2024-07-26 07:57:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Sometimes I describe myself as a separationist
[2024-07-26 07:58:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like automation, but I cannot abide complacency
[2024-07-26 07:58:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like automation, but I cannot abide complacency
[2024-07-26 07:58:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| perhaps I'm jsut a control freak
[2024-07-26 07:58:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| perhaps I'm jsut a control freak
[2024-07-26 07:58:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i think i am a control freak in some ways myself
[2024-07-26 07:58:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i think i am a control freak in some ways myself
[2024-07-26 07:58:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| tbf isnt that teh whole basis for modern linux
[2024-07-26 07:58:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| tbf isnt that teh whole basis for modern linux
[2024-07-26 07:58:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-07-26 07:58:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-07-26 07:59:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| being a control freak?
[2024-07-26 07:59:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| being a control freak?
[2024-07-26 07:59:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| wel, perhaps not, with canonical in the mix
[2024-07-26 07:59:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| wel, perhaps not, with canonical in the mix
[2024-07-26 07:59:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| mostly because canonical might as well equal microsoft these days
[2024-07-26 07:59:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| mostly because canonical might as well equal microsoft these days
[2024-07-26 07:59:26] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i dont like shuttlworth
[2024-07-26 07:59:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i dont like shuttlworth
[2024-07-26 07:59:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes
[2024-07-26 07:59:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes
[2024-07-26 08:00:14] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| although i hate MS, Google, Apple pretty much equally these days
[2024-07-26 08:00:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| although i hate MS, Google, Apple pretty much equally these days
[2024-07-26 08:00:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| and i use Gmail and have an android phone
[2024-07-26 08:00:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| and i use Gmail and have an android phone
[2024-07-26 08:00:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I host my own email
[2024-07-26 08:00:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I host my own email
[2024-07-26 08:00:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Google must hire retards
[2024-07-26 08:00:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Google must hire retards
[2024-07-26 08:00:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| BECAUSE I CAN
[2024-07-26 08:00:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| BECAUSE I CAN
[2024-07-26 08:01:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i was thinking of doing that myself
[2024-07-26 08:01:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i was thinking of doing that myself
[2024-07-26 08:01:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| piss easy these days
[2024-07-26 08:01:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| piss easy these days
[2024-07-26 08:01:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what do you use?
[2024-07-26 08:01:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what do you use?
[2024-07-26 08:01:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I did all hte dmarc/dkim/spf/rdns stuff, then stood up mailcow. job done
[2024-07-26 08:01:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I did all hte dmarc/dkim/spf/rdns stuff, then stood up mailcow. job done
[2024-07-26 08:01:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Zen let me manage my rdns in their portal too
[2024-07-26 08:01:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Zen let me manage my rdns in their portal too
[2024-07-26 08:02:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| projection much 🤣
[2024-07-26 08:02:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| projection much 🤣
[2024-07-26 08:02:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes im crap and stupid and greedy
[2024-07-26 08:02:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes im crap and stupid and greedy
[2024-07-26 08:02:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I, too
[2024-07-26 08:02:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I, too
[2024-07-26 08:03:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| pessimism about our species is so fucking depressing
[2024-07-26 08:03:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| pessimism about our species is so fucking depressing
[2024-07-26 08:03:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| openbsd has its own homemade mail server now too so it  would be even easier for me to  do the self-hosting email thing
[2024-07-26 08:03:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| openbsd has its own homemade mail server now too so it  would be even easier for me to  do the self-hosting email thing
[2024-07-26 08:03:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| leave it out
[2024-07-26 08:03:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| leave it out
[2024-07-26 08:03:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but its true syn
[2024-07-26 08:03:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but its true syn
[2024-07-26 08:03:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i for one try my best
[2024-07-26 08:03:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i for one try my best
[2024-07-26 08:03:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so do i really
[2024-07-26 08:03:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so do i really
[2024-07-26 08:03:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm less pessimistic, but I do dream about having a warship in space also sooooo
[2024-07-26 08:03:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm less pessimistic, but I do dream about having a warship in space also sooooo
[2024-07-26 08:04:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| inb4 dropping tungsten rods on my enemies from orbit
[2024-07-26 08:04:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| inb4 dropping tungsten rods on my enemies from orbit
[2024-07-26 08:04:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| *bewm*
[2024-07-26 08:04:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| *bewm*
[2024-07-26 08:04:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| as a race we have alreadfy fucked up the earth
[2024-07-26 08:04:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| as a race we have alreadfy fucked up the earth
[2024-07-26 08:04:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i know too many people walking through hell with nothing but smiles to be anything other than grateful for absolutely everything
[2024-07-26 08:04:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i know too many people walking through hell with nothing but smiles to be anything other than grateful for absolutely everything
[2024-07-26 08:05:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| these notions always come from brits
[2024-07-26 08:05:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| these notions always come from brits
[2024-07-26 08:05:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lmao
[2024-07-26 08:05:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lmao
[2024-07-26 08:05:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we are espeicially pessimistic
[2024-07-26 08:05:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we are espeicially pessimistic
[2024-07-26 08:05:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| makes me ashamed to be british tbh
[2024-07-26 08:05:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| makes me ashamed to be british tbh
[2024-07-26 08:05:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, fourteen years. Mayeb that'll change in a few years
[2024-07-26 08:05:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, fourteen years. Mayeb that'll change in a few years
[2024-07-26 08:05:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you and I have only ever seen austerity in our adult lives
[2024-07-26 08:05:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you and I have only ever seen austerity in our adult lives
[2024-07-26 08:06:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| to be fair hes right, wiht 14 years of tory government
[2024-07-26 08:06:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| to be fair hes right, wiht 14 years of tory government
[2024-07-26 08:06:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| when I was younger, and we had lots of community investment, things seemed a little happier
[2024-07-26 08:06:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| when I was younger, and we had lots of community investment, things seemed a little happier
[2024-07-26 08:06:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't have much of a frame of reference tbf, not with my childhood, but ye
[2024-07-26 08:06:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't have much of a frame of reference tbf, not with my childhood, but ye
[2024-07-26 08:07:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i am more optimistic with keir starmer in power
[2024-07-26 08:07:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i am more optimistic with keir starmer in power
[2024-07-26 08:07:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not saying it will be a fab time but still
[2024-07-26 08:07:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not saying it will be a fab time but still
[2024-07-26 08:07:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| He's not terribly dissimilar to Blair. That's good enough for the moment.
[2024-07-26 08:07:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| He's not terribly dissimilar to Blair. That's good enough for the moment.
[2024-07-26 08:07:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it'll do
[2024-07-26 08:07:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it'll do
[2024-07-26 08:08:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Labour have already done a whole lot with uncovering the ridiculous spendign plans of the conservatives
[2024-07-26 08:08:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Labour have already done a whole lot with uncovering the ridiculous spendign plans of the conservatives
[2024-07-26 08:08:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| LOL
[2024-07-26 08:08:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| LOL
[2024-07-26 08:08:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ten billion on the rwanda shite
[2024-07-26 08:08:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ten billion on the rwanda shite
[2024-07-26 08:08:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nothx
[2024-07-26 08:08:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nothx
[2024-07-26 08:08:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the remedial measures to start knocking off the sewage dumping too
[2024-07-26 08:08:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the remedial measures to start knocking off the sewage dumping too
[2024-07-26 08:08:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im not sure whether the tories are evil or insane
[2024-07-26 08:08:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im not sure whether the tories are evil or insane
[2024-07-26 08:08:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| or both
[2024-07-26 08:08:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| or both
[2024-07-26 08:09:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly I think they just got too complacent and self serving. fourteen years and successively shittier PMs will do that
[2024-07-26 08:09:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly I think they just got too complacent and self serving. fourteen years and successively shittier PMs will do that
[2024-07-26 08:09:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| inb4 dodgy dave
[2024-07-26 08:09:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| inb4 dodgy dave
[2024-07-26 08:09:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| suella braverman is evil though, i will say that
[2024-07-26 08:09:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| suella braverman is evil though, i will say that
[2024-07-26 08:10:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| liz truss....retard i think
[2024-07-26 08:10:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| liz truss....retard i think
[2024-07-26 08:10:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| so is priti
[2024-07-26 08:10:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| so is priti
[2024-07-26 08:10:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| truss is the epitome of overpromotion
[2024-07-26 08:10:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| truss is the epitome of overpromotion
[2024-07-26 08:10:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| work hard and no matter how useless you are you WILL succeed
[2024-07-26 08:10:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| work hard and no matter how useless you are you WILL succeed
[2024-07-26 08:11:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| although she didnt succeed i guess...
[2024-07-26 08:11:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| although she didnt succeed i guess...
[2024-07-26 08:11:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| eventually
[2024-07-26 08:11:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| eventually
[2024-07-26 08:12:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd like to see some nationalisation too. Not total nationalisation, but enough to create a standard for both service and costing. Might kick the private industry into actually doing something for their rewards as opposed to the american model
[2024-07-26 08:12:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd like to see some nationalisation too. Not total nationalisation, but enough to create a standard for both service and costing. Might kick the private industry into actually doing something for their rewards as opposed to the american model
[2024-07-26 08:13:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh i agree, in fact, starmer was talking about a british energy company/whatever
[2024-07-26 08:13:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh i agree, in fact, starmer was talking about a british energy company/whatever
[2024-07-26 08:13:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lke BT for example. Nationalise BT, use BT to provide a basic service, then let private orgs compete by offering the bespoke
[2024-07-26 08:13:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lke BT for example. Nationalise BT, use BT to provide a basic service, then let private orgs compete by offering the bespoke
[2024-07-26 08:14:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if we follow the americans we will be fucked
[2024-07-26 08:14:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if we follow the americans we will be fucked
[2024-07-26 08:14:27] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the tories were trying so sell of the NHS
[2024-07-26 08:14:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the tories were trying so sell of the NHS
[2024-07-26 08:15:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the nhs is *always* struggling, that won't change. The idea of the NHS was always to provide healthcare on a shoestring. But that's a shoestring, not a thread
[2024-07-26 08:15:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the nhs is *always* struggling, that won't change. The idea of the NHS was always to provide healthcare on a shoestring. But that's a shoestring, not a thread
[2024-07-26 08:15:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the NHS has perhaps the greatest negotiation power in europe, believe it or not
[2024-07-26 08:15:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the NHS has perhaps the greatest negotiation power in europe, believe it or not
[2024-07-26 08:16:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| other countries in europe do their healthcare better than we do. we need to learn from them
[2024-07-26 08:16:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| other countries in europe do their healthcare better than we do. we need to learn from them
[2024-07-26 08:16:44] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| everything is privatised in it here
[2024-07-26 08:16:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| everything is privatised in it here
[2024-07-26 08:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the meds I'm currently on cost aroudn a tenner for a month's supply. In the rest of europe, that's around twenty or thirty quid. In the US, it's over $300. The NHS negotiated a UK-centric licensing deal that lets us manufacture them for so much cheaper
[2024-07-26 08:16:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the meds I'm currently on cost aroudn a tenner for a month's supply. In the rest of europe, that's around twenty or thirty quid. In the US, it's over $300. The NHS negotiated a UK-centric licensing deal that lets us manufacture them for so much cheaper
[2024-07-26 08:16:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| even the cleaners
[2024-07-26 08:16:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| even the cleaners
[2024-07-26 08:17:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| do you have a PPC?
[2024-07-26 08:17:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| do you have a PPC?
[2024-07-26 08:17:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it works out much cheaper with a PPC
[2024-07-26 08:17:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it works out much cheaper with a PPC
[2024-07-26 08:17:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nop
[2024-07-26 08:17:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nop
[2024-07-26 08:17:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| !
[2024-07-26 08:17:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| !
[2024-07-26 08:19:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| At the moment I'm income exempt. My take-home pay is less than I would get on UC, so it works out at the moment
[2024-07-26 08:19:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| At the moment I'm income exempt. My take-home pay is less than I would get on UC, so it works out at the moment
[2024-07-26 08:19:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and that will continue until I'm something like 20% or 30% above the UC threshhold too
[2024-07-26 08:20:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and that will continue until I'm something like 20% or 30% above the UC threshhold too
[2024-07-26 09:01:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-07-26 09:01:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-07-26 09:26:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the americans like for like have better quality of life across the board
[2024-07-26 09:26:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the americans like for like have better quality of life across the board
[2024-07-26 09:26:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hard no
[2024-07-26 09:26:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hard no
[2024-07-26 09:26:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| britain and the rest of europe lag behind substantially when it comes to innovation, investment, cost of living
[2024-07-26 09:26:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| britain and the rest of europe lag behind substantially when it comes to innovation, investment, cost of living
[2024-07-26 09:27:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| brits just classically go “but guns”
[2024-07-26 09:27:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| brits just classically go “but guns”
[2024-07-26 09:31:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food quality is poor. Labour protection is poor. Political representation is heavily marred by lobbying. Water scarcity is increasing drastically due to poor resource control. Roads are fucking horrible to drive on. Houses are made out of plywood and spittle. Healthcare is inaccessible to many. Military spending is high at the expense of community investment. Everything is plasti <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:31:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food quality is poor. Labour protection is poor. Political representation is heavily marred by lobbying. Water scarcity is increasing drastically due to poor resource control. Roads are fucking horrible to drive on. Houses are made out of plywood and spittle. Healthcare is inaccessible to many. Military spending is high at the expense of community investment. Everything is plasti <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:31:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| c. Half the country is on alert for tornadoes every year and they don't change building methods to combat it. Half the country is on fire every year and they don't adjust water resource strategy to help mitigate it. Internet connectivity is patchy and expensive. Monopolies are everywhere.
[2024-07-26 09:31:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| c. Half the country is on alert for tornadoes every year and they don't change building methods to combat it. Half the country is on fire every year and they don't adjust water resource strategy to help mitigate it. Internet connectivity is patchy and expensive. Monopolies are everywhere.
[2024-07-26 09:31:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd hardly say we're living in paradies either, mind you. There is a reason I wanted to emigrate
[2024-07-26 09:31:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd hardly say we're living in paradies either, mind you. There is a reason I wanted to emigrate
[2024-07-26 09:33:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| this gap is only widening
[2024-07-26 09:33:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| this gap is only widening
[2024-07-26 09:33:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266388008236613632/image0.jpg?ex=66a4f73d&is=66a3a5bd&hm=1e96096c88ab03555d10d8866854511bf44f185c3845128b1f05574f64fc861a&
[2024-07-26 09:33:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266388008236613632/image0.jpg?ex=66a4f73d&is=66a3a5bd&hm=1e96096c88ab03555d10d8866854511bf44f185c3845128b1f05574f64fc861a&
[2024-07-26 09:34:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Military spending is good
[2024-07-26 09:34:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Military spending is good
[2024-07-26 09:34:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Food quality is a subjective problem
[2024-07-26 09:34:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Food quality is a subjective problem
[2024-07-26 09:34:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| my close friend tried to raise 600k in the UK for an AI startup
[2024-07-26 09:34:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| my close friend tried to raise 600k in the UK for an AI startup
[2024-07-26 09:35:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| gave up after 6 months and got into Y combinator
[2024-07-26 09:35:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| gave up after 6 months and got into Y combinator
[2024-07-26 09:35:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2 million usd in pre seed in the same amount of time
[2024-07-26 09:35:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| 2 million usd in pre seed in the same amount of time
[2024-07-26 09:35:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| nothing is important when compared to looking to the future and looking for innovation
[2024-07-26 09:35:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| nothing is important when compared to looking to the future and looking for innovation
[2024-07-26 09:35:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and talking about road quality is kinda rich
[2024-07-26 09:35:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and talking about road quality is kinda rich
[2024-07-26 09:36:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we have objectively awful roads all over the country with councils literally bankrupt
[2024-07-26 09:36:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| we have objectively awful roads all over the country with councils literally bankrupt
[2024-07-26 09:43:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| within reason, yes - but if it comes at the expense of things like social programs to combat the vast numbers of, say, addicts, or at teh expense of investing in things like housing, it's not. 
[2024-07-26 09:43:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| within reason, yes - but if it comes at the expense of things like social programs to combat the vast numbers of, say, addicts, or at teh expense of investing in things like housing, it's not. 
[2024-07-26 09:43:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food quality isn't necessarily subjective - take, for example, the furor around american chicken and the washing of it in chlorine. I should probably say food *safety*,
[2024-07-26 09:43:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food quality isn't necessarily subjective - take, for example, the furor around american chicken and the washing of it in chlorine. I should probably say food *safety*,
[2024-07-26 09:43:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| By road quality, I refer to the road surface to begin with. The US heavily relies on concrete road surfaces, which are far mroe hazardous to drive on in adverse weather - again, something I have experienced personally. It also requires a great deal more maintenance, and is wholly uunrecyclable. Compare that to tarmac, which is recyclable by its very nature. Tarmac also expands an <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| By road quality, I refer to the road surface to begin with. The US heavily relies on concrete road surfaces, which are far mroe hazardous to drive on in adverse weather - again, something I have experienced personally. It also requires a great deal more maintenance, and is wholly uunrecyclable. Compare that to tarmac, which is recyclable by its very nature. Tarmac also expands an <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:43:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| d contracts more freely than cement, which permits it to last longer. Naturally, though, leaving it unmaintained is inevitably going to result in freezing and cracking, which yes, we've seen a lot of lately.
[2024-07-26 09:43:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| d contracts more freely than cement, which permits it to last longer. Naturally, though, leaving it unmaintained is inevitably going to result in freezing and cracking, which yes, we've seen a lot of lately.
[2024-07-26 09:43:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, GDP alone is not an indicator of quality of life. Our GDP has risen substantially post-covid, with the exception of the mini-budget fiasco. At the same time, a substantial proportion of the UK would argue that their quality of life has decreased. The same was true before covid - our GDP rose throughout the 2010's, but quality of life reports were ever more negative. 
[2024-07-26 09:43:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, GDP alone is not an indicator of quality of life. Our GDP has risen substantially post-covid, with the exception of the mini-budget fiasco. At the same time, a substantial proportion of the UK would argue that their quality of life has decreased. The same was true before covid - our GDP rose throughout the 2010's, but quality of life reports were ever more negative. 
[2024-07-26 09:43:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, that graph is somewhat misleading. It shows the EU as a collective, but there are more than a few EU countries in which GDP is rather lower. Parts of Poland and Hungary, for example, still live without consistent electricity, running water, or sewerage. Parts of Italy have a very poor quality of life (see: Naples and the contaminated ground), yet Italy has a comparab <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:43:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, that graph is somewhat misleading. It shows the EU as a collective, but there are more than a few EU countries in which GDP is rather lower. Parts of Poland and Hungary, for example, still live without consistent electricity, running water, or sewerage. Parts of Italy have a very poor quality of life (see: Naples and the contaminated ground), yet Italy has a comparab <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 09:43:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ly high GDP. Long story short, it's not a metric that I would personally say implies that a society is better off or worse off
[2024-07-26 09:43:19] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ly high GDP. Long story short, it's not a metric that I would personally say implies that a society is better off or worse off
[2024-07-26 09:45:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Rather, I'd say that quality of life is highly dependent on what the community in question values. A community that values its tradition as opposed to development might consider themselves better off than, say, an equivalent community with access to vast amounts of capital, precision engineering, manufacturing, etc etc
[2024-07-26 09:45:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Rather, I'd say that quality of life is highly dependent on what the community in question values. A community that values its tradition as opposed to development might consider themselves better off than, say, an equivalent community with access to vast amounts of capital, precision engineering, manufacturing, etc etc
[2024-07-26 09:54:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It doesn’t
[2024-07-26 09:54:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| It doesn’t
[2024-07-26 09:54:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it shows the top 15 economies
[2024-07-26 09:54:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it shows the top 15 economies
[2024-07-26 09:54:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but like what’s the point of food
[2024-07-26 09:54:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but like what’s the point of food
[2024-07-26 09:54:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Does it also show the distribution of income, though
[2024-07-26 09:54:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Does it also show the distribution of income, though
[2024-07-26 09:54:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266393314886680637/image0.jpg?ex=66a4fc2e&is=66a3aaae&hm=d757a412c2c326e4d08c65bc70c10fb99332e72883cb031c58cabec7fb4070ba&
[2024-07-26 09:54:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266393314886680637/image0.jpg?ex=66a4fc2e&is=66a3aaae&hm=d757a412c2c326e4d08c65bc70c10fb99332e72883cb031c58cabec7fb4070ba&
[2024-07-26 09:55:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| nutrition?
[2024-07-26 09:55:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| nutrition?
[2024-07-26 09:55:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and for sure population relativity etc for this graph
[2024-07-26 09:55:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and for sure population relativity etc for this graph
[2024-07-26 09:55:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but i think the food debate is mainly for those nearer to the welfare line
[2024-07-26 09:55:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but i think the food debate is mainly for those nearer to the welfare line
[2024-07-26 09:56:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| where choice is limited
[2024-07-26 09:56:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| where choice is limited
[2024-07-26 09:56:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| london has some of the most expensive rent in the world and it doesn’t have the salaries to match
[2024-07-26 09:56:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| london has some of the most expensive rent in the world and it doesn’t have the salaries to match
[2024-07-26 09:57:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m in the top 1% of uk earners and i still have to pay around half of my salary (post tax) on rent
[2024-07-26 09:57:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i’m in the top 1% of uk earners and i still have to pay around half of my salary (post tax) on rent
[2024-07-26 09:58:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| that’s a uk specific problem though
[2024-07-26 09:58:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| that’s a uk specific problem though
[2024-07-26 09:58:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266394291710722132/image0.jpg?ex=66a4fd17&is=66a3ab97&hm=a1739c2112f9fc0bd3236226df67eade1c9755f34fb89818577cb1b169dd9302&
[2024-07-26 09:58:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1266394291710722132/image0.jpg?ex=66a4fd17&is=66a3ab97&hm=a1739c2112f9fc0bd3236226df67eade1c9755f34fb89818577cb1b169dd9302&
[2024-07-26 09:58:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| how about median gdp per capita instead of average?
[2024-07-26 09:58:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| how about median gdp per capita instead of average?
[2024-07-26 10:07:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| all im saying is the US is a great country for many reasons
[2024-07-26 10:07:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| all im saying is the US is a great country for many reasons
[2024-07-26 10:07:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the UK is also a great country for similar and different reasons
[2024-07-26 10:07:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the UK is also a great country for similar and different reasons
[2024-07-26 10:08:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the world is mostly full of people really just trying their best and failing
[2024-07-26 10:08:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the world is mostly full of people really just trying their best and failing
[2024-07-26 10:08:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| occams razor
[2024-07-26 10:08:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| occams razor
[2024-07-26 10:21:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| By that graph, Germany is projected to overtake America lol. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| By that graph, Germany is projected to overtake America lol. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like to look at the comparison between the gini coefficient, life satisfaction, available public utility, education, and a whole mess of other things. It's rather a complicated definition and, to be honest, rather subjective. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like to look at the comparison between the gini coefficient, life satisfaction, available public utility, education, and a whole mess of other things. It's rather a complicated definition and, to be honest, rather subjective. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food is a bit of a different animal. It's partly rooted in traditional foodstuffs, partly rooted in major economic incidents, partly in availability, partly in quality... the list goes on. The UK has something of a bugbear in that regard, in large part due to how food was distributed during the war. Even if that's eighty years ago, the ramifications in respect of distribution are <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:21:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Food is a bit of a different animal. It's partly rooted in traditional foodstuffs, partly rooted in major economic incidents, partly in availability, partly in quality... the list goes on. The UK has something of a bugbear in that regard, in large part due to how food was distributed during the war. Even if that's eighty years ago, the ramifications in respect of distribution are <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:21:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent|  still impactful today - reflected in how we approach food affordability, how we approach meal structure, etcetera. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent|  still impactful today - reflected in how we approach food affordability, how we approach meal structure, etcetera. 
[2024-07-26 10:21:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's also the impact of processed food, in large part the availability of *convenient* processed food. By that I refer to things like mcdonalds, burger king, or places like whitecastle, or whatever else is cooked up. That precludes things like rates of obesity, which also have a direct impact on life satisfaction, but they have an additional secondary impact on life satisfacti <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:21:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's also the impact of processed food, in large part the availability of *convenient* processed food. By that I refer to things like mcdonalds, burger king, or places like whitecastle, or whatever else is cooked up. That precludes things like rates of obesity, which also have a direct impact on life satisfaction, but they have an additional secondary impact on life satisfacti <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:21:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| on for those who elect *not* to make use of them. The more convenience outlets you have, the greater that disparity. That isn't to say you should hav enone at all, but rather that the number should be curtailed in relation to the footfall of a given location. In that scenario, whilst everyone has *access*, the impact of the same is controlled. 
[2024-07-26 10:22:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| on for those who elect *not* to make use of them. The more convenience outlets you have, the greater that disparity. That isn't to say you should hav enone at all, but rather that the number should be curtailed in relation to the footfall of a given location. In that scenario, whilst everyone has *access*, the impact of the same is controlled. 
[2024-07-26 10:22:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| The processed food problem also impacts, as you mentioned, cheaper food options. However, I don't think the argument that "it mostly affects those nearer the welfare line" is so acurate anymore - income disparity has migrated somewhat, which means that the middle class is no longer as well off as it once was. That means good food is harder to get for more people, and those in hig <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:22:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| The processed food problem also impacts, as you mentioned, cheaper food options. However, I don't think the argument that "it mostly affects those nearer the welfare line" is so acurate anymore - income disparity has migrated somewhat, which means that the middle class is no longer as well off as it once was. That means good food is harder to get for more people, and those in hig <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:22:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| her income bands (think "50k jobs" back in like, 2005) are less likely
[2024-07-26 10:22:03] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| her income bands (think "50k jobs" back in like, 2005) are less likely
[2024-07-26 10:22:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| to hear accounts of it
[2024-07-26 10:22:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| to hear accounts of it
[2024-07-26 10:22:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| essentially, the greater the gap, the harder it is for information abotu the lifestyle on each side fo the gap to cross it.
[2024-07-26 10:22:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| essentially, the greater the gap, the harder it is for information abotu the lifestyle on each side fo the gap to cross it.
[2024-07-26 10:24:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| As for London, London is somewhat unique in the UK. The huge amount of foreign ownership creates something of a housing scarcity, which inflates rents astronomically. Rents also scale with housing prices, so as the foreign demand increases (and hence the value increases), so does the rent. That's probably also partly down to the whole mess with taxation and the City of London, wh <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:24:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| As for London, London is somewhat unique in the UK. The huge amount of foreign ownership creates something of a housing scarcity, which inflates rents astronomically. Rents also scale with housing prices, so as the foreign demand increases (and hence the value increases), so does the rent. That's probably also partly down to the whole mess with taxation and the City of London, wh <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:24:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ich in turn has an impact on Greater London. It's not unlike the Monaco problem
[2024-07-26 10:24:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ich in turn has an impact on Greater London. It's not unlike the Monaco problem
[2024-07-26 10:24:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| or perhaps the St Petersburg problem
[2024-07-26 10:24:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| or perhaps the St Petersburg problem
[2024-07-26 10:25:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway sure, america is not without its merits. I'm partial to an LS5 ngl
[2024-07-26 10:25:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway sure, america is not without its merits. I'm partial to an LS5 ngl
[2024-07-26 10:29:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| when you say LS5 i just think of Leeds and start chanting white rooooose in my head
[2024-07-26 10:29:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| when you say LS5 i just think of Leeds and start chanting white rooooose in my head
[2024-07-26 10:30:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2024-07-26 10:30:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2024-07-26 10:30:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| eventually many people will and have given up on this "american dream"
[2024-07-26 10:30:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| eventually many people will and have given up on this "american dream"
[2024-07-26 10:30:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| idk
[2024-07-26 10:30:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| idk
[2024-07-26 10:31:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i enjoy applying myself wholeheartedly
[2024-07-26 10:31:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i enjoy applying myself wholeheartedly
[2024-07-26 10:32:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| welfare is extremely complicated and I haven't seen any solution that I think is long term viable
[2024-07-26 10:32:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| welfare is extremely complicated and I haven't seen any solution that I think is long term viable
[2024-07-26 10:32:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the UK does a good enough job compared to most but I still have seen my once thriving highstreets become chains that now have become betting shops and pound worlds
[2024-07-26 10:32:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the UK does a good enough job compared to most but I still have seen my once thriving highstreets become chains that now have become betting shops and pound worlds
[2024-07-26 10:33:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| offering a way out is almost impossible
[2024-07-26 10:33:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| offering a way out is almost impossible
[2024-07-26 10:33:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it needs to be found
[2024-07-26 10:33:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it needs to be found
[2024-07-26 10:34:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I had one idea in that someone on standard "job seeking" welfare would get a three-day-per-week placement somewhere where work was required, and in turn they would get proper performance, learning, training reviews etc etc. The idea would be that someone could learn a trade or a skill, get a good reference for future applications, and perhaps get a little bit of an income topup t <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:34:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I had one idea in that someone on standard "job seeking" welfare would get a three-day-per-week placement somewhere where work was required, and in turn they would get proper performance, learning, training reviews etc etc. The idea would be that someone could learn a trade or a skill, get a good reference for future applications, and perhaps get a little bit of an income topup t <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:34:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oo. It's too easy to take advantage of though
[2024-07-26 10:34:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oo. It's too easy to take advantage of though
[2024-07-26 10:34:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also fuck gambling
[2024-07-26 10:34:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also fuck gambling
[2024-07-26 10:34:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure it's a shame how effective it's methods are
[2024-07-26 10:34:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure it's a shame how effective it's methods are
[2024-07-26 10:35:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't mind the lottery so much, given how much goes to good causes, but shti like ladbrokes is a stain
[2024-07-26 10:35:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I don't mind the lottery so much, given how much goes to good causes, but shti like ladbrokes is a stain
[2024-07-26 10:35:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it preys on those that can't comprehend the probabilities easily
[2024-07-26 10:35:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it preys on those that can't comprehend the probabilities easily
[2024-07-26 10:35:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hey, by any chance would that be somewhere where you might consider more regulation? ;D
[2024-07-26 10:35:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hey, by any chance would that be somewhere where you might consider more regulation? ;D
[2024-07-26 10:35:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but oftentimes the numbers you need to do the maths arent even readily available
[2024-07-26 10:35:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but oftentimes the numbers you need to do the maths arent even readily available
[2024-07-26 10:35:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| well no
[2024-07-26 10:35:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| well no
[2024-07-26 10:35:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im actually on the vibe of "free information"
[2024-07-26 10:36:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| im actually on the vibe of "free information"
[2024-07-26 10:36:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and if there is little regulation then the read teamers will find it
[2024-07-26 10:36:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and if there is little regulation then the read teamers will find it
[2024-07-26 10:36:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| so legislation that demands a betting agent supply all possible information regarding their odds calculations in an accessible format perhaps? and do so automatically?
[2024-07-26 10:36:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| so legislation that demands a betting agent supply all possible information regarding their odds calculations in an accessible format perhaps? and do so automatically?
[2024-07-26 10:37:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah a definite start
[2024-07-26 10:37:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah a definite start
[2024-07-26 10:37:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but then it's too easy to parse those into a product
[2024-07-26 10:37:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but then it's too easy to parse those into a product
[2024-07-26 10:37:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| that lists the most and least profitable based on simulations
[2024-07-26 10:37:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| that lists the most and least profitable based on simulations
[2024-07-26 10:37:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not if that legislation demands that the information be available freely
[2024-07-26 10:37:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not if that legislation demands that the information be available freely
[2024-07-26 10:37:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but it would need to be very carefully architected imo
[2024-07-26 10:37:43] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but it would need to be very carefully architected imo
[2024-07-26 10:37:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| these industries have a lot of money to lobby against things that they can see as a direct threat though
[2024-07-26 10:37:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| these industries have a lot of money to lobby against things that they can see as a direct threat though
[2024-07-26 10:38:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I fucking hate lobbying
[2024-07-26 10:38:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I fucking hate lobbying
[2024-07-26 10:38:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ban it pls
[2024-07-26 10:38:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ban it pls
[2024-07-26 10:38:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so it would need to act as an almost side effect
[2024-07-26 10:38:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| so it would need to act as an almost side effect
[2024-07-26 10:38:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| well
[2024-07-26 10:38:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| well
[2024-07-26 10:38:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| partial agree but like anything right
[2024-07-26 10:38:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| partial agree but like anything right
[2024-07-26 10:38:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its pentesting
[2024-07-26 10:38:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its pentesting
[2024-07-26 10:38:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it actually shows a flaw that is useful information for the next "iteration"
[2024-07-26 10:38:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it actually shows a flaw that is useful information for the next "iteration"
[2024-07-26 10:38:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| put it this way: In the US, corporations successfully lobbied against the implementation of a free tool for individuals to do their taxes
[2024-07-26 10:38:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| put it this way: In the US, corporations successfully lobbied against the implementation of a free tool for individuals to do their taxes
[2024-07-26 10:38:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ie "lets not let the people with all the money also decide the laws"
[2024-07-26 10:38:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ie "lets not let the people with all the money also decide the laws"
[2024-07-26 10:39:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I despise lobbying with every fiber of my existence
[2024-07-26 10:39:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I despise lobbying with every fiber of my existence
[2024-07-26 10:39:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but then the people with the money instead create the institutions that generate the people to match whatever parameters the public wants
[2024-07-26 10:39:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but then the people with the money instead create the institutions that generate the people to match whatever parameters the public wants
[2024-07-26 10:39:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| call it a "college degree" or something
[2024-07-26 10:39:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| call it a "college degree" or something
[2024-07-26 10:40:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| not a simple problem to solve but one worth solving fosho
[2024-07-26 10:40:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| not a simple problem to solve but one worth solving fosho
[2024-07-26 10:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and again for sure this sucks but
[2024-07-26 10:40:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and again for sure this sucks but
[2024-07-26 10:41:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| what kind of shitty "free tool" managed to get the lobbyists involved
[2024-07-26 10:41:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| what kind of shitty "free tool" managed to get the lobbyists involved
[2024-07-26 10:41:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| theres ways of distributing software
[2024-07-26 10:41:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| theres ways of distributing software
[2024-07-26 10:41:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you can ban the guns its not gonna stop some people having them
[2024-07-26 10:41:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| you can ban the guns its not gonna stop some people having them
[2024-07-26 10:42:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but idk its so easy to come off as facetious
[2024-07-26 10:42:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but idk its so easy to come off as facetious
[2024-07-26 10:42:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no no, this was software linked in to the IRS' own platform. I.e. it would tell you precisely how much you owe and why
[2024-07-26 10:42:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no no, this was software linked in to the IRS' own platform. I.e. it would tell you precisely how much you owe and why
[2024-07-26 10:42:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its easy for me to say something like "just learn bash python and sql and everything will be ok"
[2024-07-26 10:42:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its easy for me to say something like "just learn bash python and sql and everything will be ok"
[2024-07-26 10:42:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and it feels true because of what ive seen but its impossible to know what you dont know
[2024-07-26 10:42:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and it feels true because of what ive seen but its impossible to know what you dont know
[2024-07-26 10:43:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/09/tax-prep-companies-lobbying-against-free-file-face-scrutiny-from-lawmakers
[2024-07-26 10:43:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/09/tax-prep-companies-lobbying-against-free-file-face-scrutiny-from-lawmakers
[2024-07-26 10:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| all our proposals and laws and regulations are filled with those ignorances
[2024-07-26 10:43:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| all our proposals and laws and regulations are filled with those ignorances
[2024-07-26 10:43:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah thats kinda what im saying like if it had to be *inside* the IRS then obviously it would come under more regulatory scrutiny
[2024-07-26 10:43:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah thats kinda what im saying like if it had to be *inside* the IRS then obviously it would come under more regulatory scrutiny
[2024-07-26 10:43:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but there's places in the metaphorical pipeline where their reach ends
[2024-07-26 10:43:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but there's places in the metaphorical pipeline where their reach ends
[2024-07-26 10:45:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the guns thing is an entirely separate issue, imo. I think we get the balance fairly ok, but that our approach could only ever work for the UK. Other places like Switzerland have their own procedures, and that works specifically for them. Thing is, all of our countries have existed for many, many times the lifetime of the US, so we have an established culture and the experience t <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:45:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the guns thing is an entirely separate issue, imo. I think we get the balance fairly ok, but that our approach could only ever work for the UK. Other places like Switzerland have their own procedures, and that works specifically for them. Thing is, all of our countries have existed for many, many times the lifetime of the US, so we have an established culture and the experience t <clipped message>
[2024-07-26 10:45:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| o adequately evaluate that culture. I'm not entirely convinced the US is quit ethere yet
[2024-07-26 10:45:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| o adequately evaluate that culture. I'm not entirely convinced the US is quit ethere yet
[2024-07-26 10:45:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Our current gun laws were also written in blood too, and the licensing structure caem into being directly as a result of a very unpleasant incident
[2024-07-26 10:45:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Our current gun laws were also written in blood too, and the licensing structure caem into being directly as a result of a very unpleasant incident
[2024-07-26 10:46:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah that essentially echoes my stance
[2024-07-26 10:46:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah that essentially echoes my stance
[2024-07-26 10:46:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like the 2nd amendment made sense at the time
[2024-07-26 10:46:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like the 2nd amendment made sense at the time
[2024-07-26 10:46:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so you can @ the gov if you have to you know
[2024-07-26 10:46:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| so you can @ the gov if you have to you know
[2024-07-26 10:46:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but that was when guns were the standard procedure for warfare
[2024-07-26 10:46:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but that was when guns were the standard procedure for warfare
[2024-07-26 10:46:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| times have changed
[2024-07-26 10:46:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| times have changed
[2024-07-26 10:46:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| what can the people do against drones and artillery
[2024-07-26 10:46:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| what can the people do against drones and artillery
[2024-07-26 10:46:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| guns arent very effective and youre not getting an amendment for that
[2024-07-26 10:46:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| guns arent very effective and youre not getting an amendment for that
[2024-07-26 10:46:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that innit. Especially when political stances have become vastly more polarised over the past few years
[2024-07-26 10:46:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that innit. Especially when political stances have become vastly more polarised over the past few years
[2024-07-26 10:47:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think we're slowly reaching a cultural turnaround where it's a collective realisation like "oh yeah having a gun is one thing but i dont have the time or effort to become that thing"
[2024-07-26 10:47:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think we're slowly reaching a cultural turnaround where it's a collective realisation like "oh yeah having a gun is one thing but i dont have the time or effort to become that thing"
[2024-07-26 10:47:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| special forces snipers on the roofs like
[2024-07-26 10:47:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| special forces snipers on the roofs like
[2024-07-26 10:48:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its different now
[2024-07-26 10:48:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its different now
[2024-07-26 10:48:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| have you seen the NATO montages
[2024-07-26 10:48:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| have you seen the NATO montages
[2024-07-26 10:48:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the kids make some crazy stuff now
[2024-07-26 10:48:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| the kids make some crazy stuff now
[2024-07-26 10:48:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Perhaps. There's plenty who enjoy firearms, and I don't think that's ever going to completely disappear.
[2024-07-26 10:48:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Perhaps. There's plenty who enjoy firearms, and I don't think that's ever going to completely disappear.
[2024-07-26 10:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've been following r/ukrainewarvideoreport
[2024-07-26 10:48:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've been following r/ukrainewarvideoreport
[2024-07-26 10:48:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, D R A G O N F I R E
[2024-07-26 10:48:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, D R A G O N F I R E
[2024-07-26 10:48:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPUPZi9M8
[2024-07-26 10:48:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMsPUPZi9M8
[2024-07-26 10:49:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah and i dont think it has to
[2024-07-26 10:49:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah and i dont think it has to
[2024-07-26 10:49:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| same way people love classic cars
[2024-07-26 10:49:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| same way people love classic cars
[2024-07-26 10:49:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i love the sound of a v12 but im all here for the electric future
[2024-07-26 10:49:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i love the sound of a v12 but im all here for the electric future
[2024-07-26 10:49:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh btw
[2024-07-26 10:49:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh btw
[2024-07-26 10:49:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J26RYRnQrDQ
[2024-07-26 10:49:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J26RYRnQrDQ
[2024-07-26 10:49:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| acceleration is really the only thing that matters
[2024-07-26 10:49:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| acceleration is really the only thing that matters
[2024-07-26 10:50:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| wait thats the wrong one
[2024-07-26 10:50:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| wait thats the wrong one
[2024-07-26 10:50:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHH24bGZh4
[2024-07-26 10:50:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHH24bGZh4
[2024-07-26 10:53:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yea this is great
[2024-07-26 10:53:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yea this is great
[2024-07-26 10:53:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but this soundtrack
[2024-07-26 10:53:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but this soundtrack
[2024-07-26 10:53:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| this was made by someone over 30
[2024-07-26 10:53:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| this was made by someone over 30
[2024-07-26 10:53:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| abba slaps man
[2024-07-26 10:53:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| abba slaps man
[2024-07-26 10:53:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think its fascinating that like 12 years old are now creating propaganda for nato
[2024-07-26 10:53:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think its fascinating that like 12 years old are now creating propaganda for nato
[2024-07-26 10:53:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think its a natural downstream effect of this information explosion in the past 50 years
[2024-07-26 10:54:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think its a natural downstream effect of this information explosion in the past 50 years
[2024-07-26 10:54:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and people can see the numbers for themselves
[2024-07-26 10:54:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and people can see the numbers for themselves
[2024-07-26 10:54:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well tbf that's what happens when you memeify a war
[2024-07-26 10:54:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well tbf that's what happens when you memeify a war
[2024-07-26 10:54:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| well they been doing that
[2024-07-26 10:54:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| well they been doing that
[2024-07-26 10:54:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like ISIS created the first
[2024-07-26 10:54:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like ISIS created the first
[2024-07-26 10:54:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| cartels do it all the time
[2024-07-26 10:54:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| cartels do it all the time
[2024-07-26 10:54:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it just didnt catch on till it was "good guys" subjectively
[2024-07-26 10:54:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it just didnt catch on till it was "good guys" subjectively
[2024-07-26 10:54:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| do you remember the unexpected jihad memes?
[2024-07-26 10:54:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| do you remember the unexpected jihad memes?
[2024-07-26 10:55:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| rings a bell
[2024-07-26 10:55:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| rings a bell
[2024-07-26 10:55:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| before covid. 2017 maybe. popularised during the media boom around the Syrian civil war
[2024-07-26 10:55:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| before covid. 2017 maybe. popularised during the media boom around the Syrian civil war
[2024-07-26 10:56:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| lol probably
[2024-07-26 10:56:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| lol probably
[2024-07-26 10:56:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| complicated problems
[2024-07-26 10:56:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| complicated problems
[2024-07-26 10:57:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like who honestly is gonna stop israel
[2024-07-26 10:57:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like who honestly is gonna stop israel
[2024-07-26 10:57:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| probably nobody
[2024-07-26 10:57:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| probably nobody
[2024-07-26 10:58:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| how much can you rationally apply notions of objective morality to cultures i’m simply not a part of
[2024-07-26 10:58:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| how much can you rationally apply notions of objective morality to cultures i’m simply not a part of
[2024-07-26 10:58:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| some really fucked scenes
[2024-07-26 10:58:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| some really fucked scenes
[2024-07-26 10:58:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and you know
[2024-07-26 10:58:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and you know
[2024-07-26 10:58:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| lot of man in the uk
[2024-07-26 10:58:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| lot of man in the uk
[2024-07-26 10:58:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| just joking sarcastic all the time
[2024-07-26 10:58:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| just joking sarcastic all the time
[2024-07-26 10:59:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| makes it hard to actually get to the root of complex issues
[2024-07-26 10:59:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| makes it hard to actually get to the root of complex issues
[2024-07-26 10:59:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a wonderfully accessible language mostly wasted
[2024-07-26 10:59:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| a wonderfully accessible language mostly wasted
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