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[2024-08-01 01:27:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I’m something of a front end focused dev
[2024-08-01 01:27:23] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I’m something of a front end focused dev
[2024-08-01 01:27:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Not strictly a designer but love designing and building interfaces
[2024-08-01 01:27:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Not strictly a designer but love designing and building interfaces
[2024-08-01 02:15:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but typescript is my one true love
[2024-08-01 02:15:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but typescript is my one true love
[2024-08-01 02:16:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I like it too, sounds great to me
[2024-08-01 02:16:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I like it too, sounds great to me
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[2024-08-01 02:19:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| one of my more controversial points (besides politics 🤣 ) is that javascript/typescript is the ideal one man army language if you had to pick one to learn today
[2024-08-01 02:19:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| one of my more controversial points (besides politics 🤣 ) is that javascript/typescript is the ideal one man army language if you had to pick one to learn today
[2024-08-01 02:20:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Python isn't? D':<
[2024-08-01 02:20:03] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Python isn't? D':<
[2024-08-01 02:21:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| difficult to make compelling shareable web experiences with python out of the box
[2024-08-01 02:21:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| difficult to make compelling shareable web experiences with python out of the box
[2024-08-01 02:21:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.fastht.ml/ this is brand new and threatens to change that
[2024-08-01 02:21:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://www.fastht.ml/ this is brand new and threatens to change that
[2024-08-01 02:22:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we'll see though
[2024-08-01 02:22:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| we'll see though
[2024-08-01 02:23:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but it has code snippets like
[2024-08-01 02:23:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but it has code snippets like
[2024-08-01 02:23:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```python
[2024-08-01 02:23:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```python
[2024-08-01 02:23:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     def card_3d_demo():
[2024-08-01 02:23:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     def card_3d_demo():
[2024-08-01 02:23:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     """This is a standalone isolated Python component.
[2024-08-01 02:23:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     """This is a standalone isolated Python component.
[2024-08-01 02:23:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     Behavior and styling is scoped to the component."""
[2024-08-01 02:23:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     Behavior and styling is scoped to the component."""
[2024-08-01 02:23:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     def card_3d(text, background, amt, left_align):
[2024-08-01 02:23:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     def card_3d(text, background, amt, left_align):
[2024-08-01 02:23:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|         # JS and CSS can be defined inline or in a file
[2024-08-01 02:23:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|         # JS and CSS can be defined inline or in a file
[2024-08-01 02:23:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|         scr = ScriptX('card3d.js', amt=amt)
[2024-08-01 02:23:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|         scr = ScriptX('card3d.js', amt=amt)
[2024-08-01 02:23:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|         align='left' if left_align else 'right'
[2024-08-01 02:23:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|         align='left' if left_align else 'right'
[2024-08-01 02:23:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|         sty = StyleX('card3d.css', background=f'url({background})', align=align)
[2024-08-01 02:23:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|         sty = StyleX('card3d.css', background=f'url({background})', align=align)
[2024-08-01 02:23:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|         return Div(text, Div(), sty, scr)
[2024-08-01 02:23:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|         return Div(text, Div(), sty, scr)
[2024-08-01 02:23:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     # Design credit: https://codepen.io/markmiro/pen/wbqMPa
[2024-08-01 02:23:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     # Design credit: https://codepen.io/markmiro/pen/wbqMPa
[2024-08-01 02:23:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     card = card_3d("Mouseover me", bgurl, amt=1.5, left_align=True)
[2024-08-01 02:23:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     card = card_3d("Mouseover me", bgurl, amt=1.5, left_align=True)
[2024-08-01 02:23:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     return Div(card, style=cardcss)
[2024-08-01 02:23:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     return Div(card, style=cardcss)
[2024-08-01 02:23:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-08-01 02:23:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-08-01 02:23:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| `'card3d.js'`
[2024-08-01 02:23:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| `'card3d.js'`
[2024-08-01 02:23:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| 🤢
[2024-08-01 02:23:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 🤢
[2024-08-01 02:24:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| eventually all these python frameworks give way and they just ask you to fill in the gaps with javascript
[2024-08-01 02:24:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| eventually all these python frameworks give way and they just ask you to fill in the gaps with javascript
[2024-08-01 02:25:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I have this theory that all the codes are just different ways to express logical packages so one day there will be the "definite source language"
[2024-08-01 02:25:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I have this theory that all the codes are just different ways to express logical packages so one day there will be the "definite source language"
[2024-08-01 02:25:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Or ultimate source language
[2024-08-01 02:25:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Or ultimate source language
[2024-08-01 02:25:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Everything on the same console
[2024-08-01 02:25:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Everything on the same console
[2024-08-01 02:28:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure
[2024-08-01 02:28:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure
[2024-08-01 02:28:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i mean ultimately logic and reason is bound by language
[2024-08-01 02:28:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i mean ultimately logic and reason is bound by language
[2024-08-01 02:28:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| makes sense that we work towards some unified framework
[2024-08-01 02:28:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| makes sense that we work towards some unified framework
[2024-08-01 02:28:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| difficult to contend that with cultural preservation though
[2024-08-01 02:28:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| difficult to contend that with cultural preservation though
[2024-08-01 02:29:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Because of the purpose of the code, but somehow the commands are the same
[2024-08-01 02:29:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Because of the purpose of the code, but somehow the commands are the same
[2024-08-01 02:29:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Not to mention the symbols
[2024-08-01 02:29:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Not to mention the symbols
[2024-08-01 02:30:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I mean, what's the difference between
[2024-08-01 02:30:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I mean, what's the difference between
[2024-08-01 02:30:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| If(this)then
[2024-08-01 02:30:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| If(this)then
[2024-08-01 02:30:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| That
[2024-08-01 02:30:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| That
[2024-08-01 02:30:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Else
[2024-08-01 02:30:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Else
[2024-08-01 02:30:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Nothing
[2024-08-01 02:30:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Nothing
[2024-08-01 02:30:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| End
[2024-08-01 02:30:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| End
[2024-08-01 02:31:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| And
[2024-08-01 02:31:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| And
[2024-08-01 02:31:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| If(this;that;nothing)
[2024-08-01 02:31:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| If(this;that;nothing)
[2024-08-01 02:31:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| lots of pedantic arguments 🤣
[2024-08-01 02:31:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| lots of pedantic arguments 🤣
[2024-08-01 02:31:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| as a serious question to whats the difference
[2024-08-01 02:31:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| as a serious question to whats the difference
[2024-08-01 02:31:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| they are emotionally bound to their syntax
[2024-08-01 02:31:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| they are emotionally bound to their syntax
[2024-08-01 02:31:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| to them it is the same as culture
[2024-08-01 02:31:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| to them it is the same as culture
[2024-08-01 02:32:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whats the difference between Hallo and Hello
[2024-08-01 02:32:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| whats the difference between Hallo and Hello
[2024-08-01 02:32:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Exactly, but in the background makes the same
[2024-08-01 02:32:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Exactly, but in the background makes the same
[2024-08-01 02:32:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| und jetzt
[2024-08-01 02:32:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| und jetzt
[2024-08-01 02:32:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im not so sure it makes exactly the same in the background
[2024-08-01 02:32:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| im not so sure it makes exactly the same in the background
[2024-08-01 02:32:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| like the little sprinkles on top add nuances to the flavours which are mostly the same
[2024-08-01 02:32:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| like the little sprinkles on top add nuances to the flavours which are mostly the same
[2024-08-01 02:33:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but with a certain je ne sais quoi
[2024-08-01 02:33:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but with a certain je ne sais quoi
[2024-08-01 02:45:44] <Lucifer_arma_> there are lots of differences, actually
[2024-08-01 02:45:44] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there are lots of differences, actually
[2024-08-01 02:47:00] <Lucifer_arma_> the reason you have, say, for(int i=0, i < 20, i++) in C is because that turns into very tight machine language.  It's a bit to read, but it compiles down to something really small and efficient
[2024-08-01 02:47:00] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the reason you have, say, for(int i=0, i < 20, i++) in C is because that turns into very tight machine language.  It's a bit to read, but it compiles down to something really small and efficient
[2024-08-01 02:47:43] <Lucifer_arma_> python doesn't even have a construct like that, but because of the way that construct works in C/C++, when you use iterators, you get something similar to python's for item in alist construct
[2024-08-01 02:47:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| python doesn't even have a construct like that, but because of the way that construct works in C/C++, when you use iterators, you get something similar to python's for item in alist construct
[2024-08-01 02:47:58] <Lucifer_arma_> but because of the use of pointers, it's much much faster than anything python can do
[2024-08-01 02:47:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but because of the use of pointers, it's much much faster than anything python can do
[2024-08-01 02:48:25] <Lucifer_arma_> except that down in the C library, python's for item in alist construct becomes that same thing in C, a lot of the time
[2024-08-01 02:48:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| except that down in the C library, python's for item in alist construct becomes that same thing in C, a lot of the time
[2024-08-01 02:49:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I'm sure you're right, but my point is you can translate the whole instructions to another language and the most considerable change is the form of the expression
[2024-08-01 02:49:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I'm sure you're right, but my point is you can translate the whole instructions to another language and the most considerable change is the form of the expression
[2024-08-01 02:49:22] <Lucifer_arma_> meanwhile, java has C-like syntax for much the same reasons that C has it in the first place.  It compiles down to bytecode very nicely, which is one reason java is able to reach C levels of performance
[2024-08-01 02:49:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| meanwhile, java has C-like syntax for much the same reasons that C has it in the first place.  It compiles down to bytecode very nicely, which is one reason java is able to reach C levels of performance
[2024-08-01 02:49:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I know it implies additional functions like iterations, but those could be fixed with more instructions, or less depending on the language
[2024-08-01 02:49:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I know it implies additional functions like iterations, but those could be fixed with more instructions, or less depending on the language
[2024-08-01 02:49:44] <Lucifer_arma_> once you start making it more flexible, you add complexity to the compiler
[2024-08-01 02:49:45] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| once you start making it more flexible, you add complexity to the compiler
[2024-08-01 02:50:15] <Lucifer_arma_> now, with solid RISC CPUs and really good compilers, none of it matters because of the optimizations the compiler can do
[2024-08-01 02:50:15] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| now, with solid RISC CPUs and really good compilers, none of it matters because of the optimizations the compiler can do
[2024-08-01 02:50:46] <Lucifer_arma_> but you have to remember where things were when each language was made.  When C was invented, they wanted a general purpose language that had the flexibility of assembly, but wasn't assembly
[2024-08-01 02:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but you have to remember where things were when each language was made.  When C was invented, they wanted a general purpose language that had the flexibility of assembly, but wasn't assembly
[2024-08-01 02:51:02] <Lucifer_arma_> so a lot of the syntax that C has is there because it translates nearly directly to assembly
[2024-08-01 02:51:02] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so a lot of the syntax that C has is there because it translates nearly directly to assembly
[2024-08-01 02:51:38] <Lucifer_arma_> in fact, that's why the ++ operator exists in the first place.  If the target arch has it, (they all do, now) i++ gets compiled directly to a single CPU instruction
[2024-08-01 02:51:38] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| in fact, that's why the ++ operator exists in the first place.  If the target arch has it, (they all do, now) i++ gets compiled directly to a single CPU instruction
[2024-08-01 02:51:53] <Lucifer_arma_> ++i is different, in fact.  It's annoying, but it's there
[2024-08-01 02:51:53] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| ++i is different, in fact.  It's annoying, but it's there
[2024-08-01 02:52:12] <Lucifer_arma_> i = i +1 can sometimes be caught and turned into i++, but not always
[2024-08-01 02:52:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| i = i +1 can sometimes be caught and turned into i++, but not always
[2024-08-01 02:52:58] <Lucifer_arma_> programming languages are much more like spoken languages, and we're not seeing a convergence to a single spoken language.  We're seeing some convergence, but there's also significant divergence still happening
[2024-08-01 02:52:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| programming languages are much more like spoken languages, and we're not seeing a convergence to a single spoken language.  We're seeing some convergence, but there's also significant divergence still happening
[2024-08-01 02:53:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yep
[2024-08-01 02:53:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yep
[2024-08-01 02:53:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| mostly my point around cultural preservation
[2024-08-01 02:53:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| mostly my point around cultural preservation
[2024-08-01 02:54:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| even if you *could* converge it's not obvious that you would want to
[2024-08-01 02:54:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| even if you *could* converge it's not obvious that you would want to
[2024-08-01 02:54:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we do see langauge standardisation over time though when restricted to geographical areas
[2024-08-01 02:54:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| we do see langauge standardisation over time though when restricted to geographical areas
[2024-08-01 02:54:35] <Lucifer_arma_> each language can't be summarized as pros and cons.  They have different designs because they exist for different reasons.  Python stands to become the One to Rule Them All, but until it gets adopted as a web standard, javascript is always going to rise above it in popularity
[2024-08-01 02:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| each language can't be summarized as pros and cons.  They have different designs because they exist for different reasons.  Python stands to become the One to Rule Them All, but until it gets adopted as a web standard, javascript is always going to rise above it in popularity
[2024-08-01 02:55:05] <Lucifer_arma_> we do, but there are still like 4 different standard Englishes, and that's ignoring the hundreds or thousands of dialects
[2024-08-01 02:55:05] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| we do, but there are still like 4 different standard Englishes, and that's ignoring the hundreds or thousands of dialects
[2024-08-01 02:56:06] <Lucifer_arma_> also, while python is great for data mining and processing, especially when you add in a couple of libraries that made it even better for that, R is still the go-to language in science because it's built for scientists
[2024-08-01 02:56:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| also, while python is great for data mining and processing, especially when you add in a couple of libraries that made it even better for that, R is still the go-to language in science because it's built for scientists
[2024-08-01 02:56:52] <Lucifer_arma_> and there's still ada waiting patiently for a CPU that can finally implement the entire language.  That's going to be an awesome language that's too late to be relevant because it was developed too early to be useful
[2024-08-01 02:56:52] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and there's still ada waiting patiently for a CPU that can finally implement the entire language.  That's going to be an awesome language that's too late to be relevant because it was developed too early to be useful
[2024-08-01 02:57:52] <Lucifer_arma_> C and C++ will continue to dominate overall because C is the closest to the metal you can possibly get, and C++ has all the flexibility of every language that exists with C-like performance
[2024-08-01 02:57:52] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| C and C++ will continue to dominate overall because C is the closest to the metal you can possibly get, and C++ has all the flexibility of every language that exists with C-like performance
[2024-08-01 02:59:02] <Lucifer_arma_> I don't even think Rust will displace either of them.  Instead, it will serve as a test platform for the kind of safety features that are "lacking" in C/C++, and the solutions that come out of Rust will make their way into C/C++
[2024-08-01 02:59:02] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I don't even think Rust will displace either of them.  Instead, it will serve as a test platform for the kind of safety features that are "lacking" in C/C++, and the solutions that come out of Rust will make their way into C/C++
[2024-08-01 03:00:41] <Lucifer_arma_> oddly, I helped a guy today who spoke spanish that I understood just fine, but he had an accent that I didn't understand
[2024-08-01 03:00:42] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| oddly, I helped a guy today who spoke spanish that I understood just fine, but he had an accent that I didn't understand
[2024-08-01 03:04:01] <Lucifer_arma_> I didn't have another spanish speaker nearby who might have been able to identify the accent, so I don't know what it was, but I'm pretty sure the guy was high, too, so maybe he was just slurring his words badly because of that
[2024-08-01 03:04:01] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I didn't have another spanish speaker nearby who might have been able to identify the accent, so I don't know what it was, but I'm pretty sure the guy was high, too, so maybe he was just slurring his words badly because of that
[2024-08-01 03:04:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| these days i see products advertise the fact they're *not* built in C/C++ due to "dangerous side effects"
[2024-08-01 03:04:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| these days i see products advertise the fact they're *not* built in C/C++ due to "dangerous side effects"
[2024-08-01 03:06:22] <Lucifer_arma_> really?  I haven't seen that.  Of course, that's mostly kind of silly, because the "dangerous side effects" have been mostly fixed.  The thing is, C/C++ still allow you to do whatever, so it's up to the programmer to choose appropriate techniques/libraries to avoid those "side effects"
[2024-08-01 03:06:22] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| really?  I haven't seen that.  Of course, that's mostly kind of silly, because the "dangerous side effects" have been mostly fixed.  The thing is, C/C++ still allow you to do whatever, so it's up to the programmer to choose appropriate techniques/libraries to avoid those "side effects"
[2024-08-01 03:07:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah it was some database software im struggling to recall right now
[2024-08-01 03:07:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah it was some database software im struggling to recall right now
[2024-08-01 03:07:55] <Lucifer_arma_> I think the biggest problems we're still having with C/C++ are a combination of older programmers not updating their skills to use newer versions of the language that have more memory safety and educators not teaching those newer memory safety techniques
[2024-08-01 03:07:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I think the biggest problems we're still having with C/C++ are a combination of older programmers not updating their skills to use newer versions of the language that have more memory safety and educators not teaching those newer memory safety techniques
[2024-08-01 03:08:53] <Lucifer_arma_> it's still not perfect, mind you, but C18 (19?  Most recent fully published spec) has enough memory safety in it to eliminate 99.9% of all previous bugs caused by memory issues
[2024-08-01 03:08:53] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it's still not perfect, mind you, but C18 (19?  Most recent fully published spec) has enough memory safety in it to eliminate 99.9% of all previous bugs caused by memory issues
[2024-08-01 03:09:54] <Lucifer_arma_> I might be exaggerating a little bit, but seriously, between what the language provides and what the programmer can do, we don't *need* something like Rust, we need people to switch to newer language revisions
[2024-08-01 03:09:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I might be exaggerating a little bit, but seriously, between what the language provides and what the programmer can do, we don't *need* something like Rust, we need people to switch to newer language revisions
[2024-08-01 03:10:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a unique take. i like it
[2024-08-01 03:10:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| a unique take. i like it
[2024-08-01 03:12:06] <Lucifer_arma_> heh, we can't get away from them.  Not only are all compilers written in either C or C++, but so are the very interpreters these so-called "safe" languages use.
[2024-08-01 03:12:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| heh, we can't get away from them.  Not only are all compilers written in either C or C++, but so are the very interpreters these so-called "safe" languages use.
[2024-08-01 03:12:34] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm not sure Rust even has a fully 100% Rust compiler yet, but I honestly lost interest in Rust after I started looking at auto pointers in C++
[2024-08-01 03:12:35] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm not sure Rust even has a fully 100% Rust compiler yet, but I honestly lost interest in Rust after I started looking at auto pointers in C++
[2024-08-01 03:16:43] <Lucifer_arma_> ok, of course the rust compiler is implemented in rust, I feel like an idiot again
[2024-08-01 03:16:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| ok, of course the rust compiler is implemented in rust, I feel like an idiot again
[2024-08-01 03:19:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its actually important to the community that is the compiler was implemented in rust
[2024-08-01 03:19:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its actually important to the community that is the compiler was implemented in rust
[2024-08-01 03:20:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| there were complicated theorycrafting documents about C based compilation inefficiencies/vulnerabilities they were keen to avoid
[2024-08-01 03:20:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| there were complicated theorycrafting documents about C based compilation inefficiencies/vulnerabilities they were keen to avoid
[2024-08-01 03:21:52] <Lucifer_arma_> that's why I feel like an idiot.  a compiled language isn't considered viable until it can compile itself
[2024-08-01 03:21:52] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's why I feel like an idiot.  a compiled language isn't considered viable until it can compile itself
[2024-08-01 03:22:19] <Lucifer_arma_> I knew that, I've just had my head buried in this AC unit that I'm building
[2024-08-01 03:22:19] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I knew that, I've just had my head buried in this AC unit that I'm building
[2024-08-01 03:22:54] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm pumping ice water from my cooler through a heater core and using a blower to blow air over it
[2024-08-01 03:22:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm pumping ice water from my cooler through a heater core and using a blower to blow air over it
[2024-08-01 03:22:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i think it took a while though
[2024-08-01 03:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think it took a while though
[2024-08-01 03:23:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| AC unit building is cool
[2024-08-01 03:23:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| AC unit building is cool
[2024-08-01 03:23:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| getting real hot here in London. could do with one of those
[2024-08-01 03:23:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| getting real hot here in London. could do with one of those
[2024-08-01 03:23:16] <Lucifer_arma_> the idea is that I'm going to use the phase change from solid to liquid to grab the heat instead of liquid to gas
[2024-08-01 03:23:16] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the idea is that I'm going to use the phase change from solid to liquid to grab the heat instead of liquid to gas
[2024-08-01 03:23:39] <Lucifer_arma_> it's more energy efficient inside the van, but will require me to continue regularly buying ice and draining the cooler
[2024-08-01 03:23:39] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it's more energy efficient inside the van, but will require me to continue regularly buying ice and draining the cooler
[2024-08-01 03:24:17] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm in serious need of a 12V air conditioner that can run off batteries/solar panels, and I only have 400W of solar panels
[2024-08-01 03:24:17] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm in serious need of a 12V air conditioner that can run off batteries/solar panels, and I only have 400W of solar panels
[2024-08-01 03:26:56] <Lucifer_arma_> I've also looked into a heating element I can add to the cooler at some point to turn it into a heater in the winter.  I'm trying to get away from having to run a 3.8L V6 and burning all the gas that that entails just to have hvac
[2024-08-01 03:26:57] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I've also looked into a heating element I can add to the cooler at some point to turn it into a heater in the winter.  I'm trying to get away from having to run a 3.8L V6 and burning all the gas that that entails just to have hvac
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[2024-08-01 03:43:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 🌆 🇬🇧 👑
[2024-08-01 03:43:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268474157763395678/IMG_1290.jpg?ex=66ac8e1e&is=66ab3c9e&hm=78b19e7cd5bcd274553615464f31d1a122e107cd0271efd6a6ba18adc53507f6&
[2024-08-01 03:43:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| 🌆 🇬🇧 👑
[2024-08-01 03:43:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268474157763395678/IMG_1290.jpg?ex=66ac8e1e&is=66ab3c9e&hm=78b19e7cd5bcd274553615464f31d1a122e107cd0271efd6a6ba18adc53507f6&
[2024-08-01 04:44:09] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:justkoala| fake, i see clear sky
[2024-08-01 04:44:09] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:justkoala| fake, i see clear sky
[2024-08-01 05:53:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| If I can just add to the programming language by saying a few things:
[2024-08-01 05:53:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| If I can just add to the programming language by saying a few things:
[2024-08-01 05:53:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 1) C and C++ are different in that C++ is far larger and more complex. This is why C++ is a disease and should not be used for anything at all ever.
[2024-08-01 05:53:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 1) C and C++ are different in that C++ is far larger and more complex. This is why C++ is a disease and should not be used for anything at all ever.
[2024-08-01 05:53:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 2) Python with its indents=syntax can f**k off  too.
[2024-08-01 05:53:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 2) Python with its indents=syntax can f**k off  too.
[2024-08-01 05:53:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 3) Java reaching C levels of performance? I think not. I'm not sure what compilers you know of that can do this but, IMO, Java is slow...that's one of the reasons no one uses it for anything sensible. The concept of a virtual machine is, however, a nice concept. Oh, and Java is now developed/owned by Oracle, who can also f**k off.
[2024-08-01 05:53:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 3) Java reaching C levels of performance? I think not. I'm not sure what compilers you know of that can do this but, IMO, Java is slow...that's one of the reasons no one uses it for anything sensible. The concept of a virtual machine is, however, a nice concept. Oh, and Java is now developed/owned by Oracle, who can also f**k off.
[2024-08-01 05:54:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Mini rant over...
[2024-08-01 05:54:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Mini rant over...
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[2024-08-01 05:58:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I'd like to see less programming languages. We don't need millions of languages with differing bits here and there.
[2024-08-01 05:58:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| I'd like to see less programming languages. We don't need millions of languages with differing bits here and there.
[2024-08-01 05:58:37] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Morning Deli 🙂
[2024-08-01 05:58:37] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Morning Deli 🙂
[2024-08-01 05:58:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i can see you typing
[2024-08-01 05:58:44] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i can see you typing
[2024-08-01 06:00:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hoi :)
[2024-08-01 06:00:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hoi :)
[2024-08-01 06:00:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| openjdk. But no, it';s not fast. Rust has a few people problems that make it largely unviable for anything standardised at the moment. 
[2024-08-01 06:00:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| openjdk. But no, it';s not fast. Rust has a few people problems that make it largely unviable for anything standardised at the moment. 
[2024-08-01 06:00:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| What are we needing with respect to website stuff, what are we needing? I have the capability to host simple websites here, or on other parts of my infra. If they're not getting hammered with requests 24/7, I don't mind doing that for free. Or, get a free oracle/amazon/azure instance and host it yourself - although that's more complicated. I can walk you through the process of pr <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 06:00:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| What are we needing with respect to website stuff, what are we needing? I have the capability to host simple websites here, or on other parts of my infra. If they're not getting hammered with requests 24/7, I don't mind doing that for free. Or, get a free oracle/amazon/azure instance and host it yourself - although that's more complicated. I can walk you through the process of pr <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 06:00:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| operly setting up apache/nginx/caddy/whatever.
[2024-08-01 06:00:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| operly setting up apache/nginx/caddy/whatever.
[2024-08-01 06:00:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Java is ridiculously fast
[2024-08-01 06:00:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Java is ridiculously fast
[2024-08-01 06:00:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://github.com/gunnarmorling/1brc
[2024-08-01 06:00:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://github.com/gunnarmorling/1brc
[2024-08-01 06:01:49] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| "rediculously fast" compared to what ?
[2024-08-01 06:01:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| "rediculously fast" compared to what ?
[2024-08-01 06:02:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Syn, 1.5s vs 0.9 seconds. 0.9 is c#, and that is *not* an efficient language
[2024-08-01 06:02:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Syn, 1.5s vs 0.9 seconds. 0.9 is c#, and that is *not* an efficient language
[2024-08-01 06:02:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| c# is MS version of C++
[2024-08-01 06:02:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| c# is MS version of C++
[2024-08-01 06:02:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, 1brc is not necessarily a real-world challenge. JSP is... not great
[2024-08-01 06:02:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, 1brc is not necessarily a real-world challenge. JSP is... not great
[2024-08-01 06:03:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. I'd contest that a bit. C# is built on *top* of C, but its more high level than C++ is
[2024-08-01 06:03:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. I'd contest that a bit. C# is built on *top* of C, but its more high level than C++ is
[2024-08-01 06:04:03] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| always heard it as MS-Java 😄
[2024-08-01 06:04:03] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| always heard it as MS-Java 😄
[2024-08-01 06:04:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lol
[2024-08-01 06:04:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lol
[2024-08-01 06:04:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| haha
[2024-08-01 06:04:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| haha
[2024-08-01 06:04:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Franly, if any open-source lang got the level of dedication given to it that c# has had, we'd be smashing it out the park with lang avialability. The syntax for c# is somthing I like very much, hence my slowly-progressing move to D
[2024-08-01 06:04:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Franly, if any open-source lang got the level of dedication given to it that c# has had, we'd be smashing it out the park with lang avialability. The syntax for c# is somthing I like very much, hence my slowly-progressing move to D
[2024-08-01 06:05:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, ms-java would be J# @ninjapotato1080
[2024-08-01 06:05:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also, ms-java would be J# @ninjapotato1080
[2024-08-01 06:05:59] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| hah fair, I don't know enough java to confirm or deny it myself 😄
[2024-08-01 06:05:59] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| hah fair, I don't know enough java to confirm or deny it myself 😄
[2024-08-01 06:06:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| you dont really need java. just program for portability using the right libraries, tools and techniques and you should be pretty good to go...
[2024-08-01 06:06:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| you dont really need java. just program for portability using the right libraries, tools and techniques and you should be pretty good to go...
[2024-08-01 06:07:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not saying that is super easy but nowadays we can do that
[2024-08-01 06:07:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| not saying that is super easy but nowadays we can do that
[2024-08-01 06:08:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Java sucks, because it doesn't permit overloading
[2024-08-01 06:08:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Java sucks, because it doesn't permit overloading
[2024-08-01 06:08:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| operator overloading you mean?
[2024-08-01 06:08:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| operator overloading you mean?
[2024-08-01 06:08:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, method overloading
[2024-08-01 06:08:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, method overloading
[2024-08-01 06:08:55] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| also IIRC, it only has single inheritance
[2024-08-01 06:08:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| also IIRC, it only has single inheritance
[2024-08-01 06:09:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if ur gonna do object oriented then at least do it fully
[2024-08-01 06:09:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if ur gonna do object oriented then at least do it fully
[2024-08-01 06:10:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```c#
[2024-08-01 06:10:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```c#
[2024-08-01 06:10:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| bool iHaveOneParameter(string truth)
[2024-08-01 06:10:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| bool iHaveOneParameter(string truth)
[2024-08-01 06:10:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2024-08-01 06:10:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2024-08-01 06:10:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent|     return true;
[2024-08-01 06:10:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent|     return true;
[2024-08-01 06:10:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2024-08-01 06:10:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2024-08-01 06:10:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| bool iHaveOneParameter(string truth, int lie)
[2024-08-01 06:10:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| bool iHaveOneParameter(string truth, int lie)
[2024-08-01 06:10:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2024-08-01 06:10:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| {
[2024-08-01 06:10:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent|     return false;
[2024-08-01 06:10:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent|     return false;
[2024-08-01 06:10:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2024-08-01 06:10:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| }
[2024-08-01 06:10:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2024-08-01 06:10:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ```
[2024-08-01 06:11:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Method overloading permits the implementation of multiple methods by the same call, dependent ont eh number of parameters passed
[2024-08-01 06:11:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Method overloading permits the implementation of multiple methods by the same call, dependent ont eh number of parameters passed
[2024-08-01 06:11:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah yes
[2024-08-01 06:11:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah yes
[2024-08-01 06:11:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, whats this about a website?
[2024-08-01 06:11:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, whats this about a website?
[2024-08-01 06:11:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Teke wanna put up a portfolio?
[2024-08-01 06:11:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Teke wanna put up a portfolio?
[2024-08-01 06:12:15] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah right, so teke wants one or more websites as he is a freelancer in several professions
[2024-08-01 06:12:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah right, so teke wants one or more websites as he is a freelancer in several professions
[2024-08-01 06:12:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i spent some time last night with him looking at stuff, including vultr, which nanu recommended
[2024-08-01 06:12:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i spent some time last night with him looking at stuff, including vultr, which nanu recommended
[2024-08-01 06:13:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Vultr is passable, but can he afford it?
[2024-08-01 06:13:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Vultr is passable, but can he afford it?
[2024-08-01 06:13:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so they do have openbsd as an option too. have you heard of them and what is ur opinion?
[2024-08-01 06:13:16] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so they do have openbsd as an option too. have you heard of them and what is ur opinion?
[2024-08-01 06:13:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| for a fairly simple website it will be about $6 per month including VAT. i will pay for half
[2024-08-01 06:13:41] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| for a fairly simple website it will be about $6 per month including VAT. i will pay for half
[2024-08-01 06:13:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Mine costs me about four quid a month, which is the instance I stood up revolt on, but that translates into maybe $10
[2024-08-01 06:13:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Mine costs me about four quid a month, which is the instance I stood up revolt on, but that translates into maybe $10
[2024-08-01 06:13:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| at the most anyway
[2024-08-01 06:13:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| at the most anyway
[2024-08-01 06:14:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| iunno how the exchange rate works in Venezuela
[2024-08-01 06:14:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| iunno how the exchange rate works in Venezuela
[2024-08-01 06:14:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| who are you with if you dont mind me asking?
[2024-08-01 06:14:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| who are you with if you dont mind me asking?
[2024-08-01 06:14:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we will pay using paypal
[2024-08-01 06:14:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we will pay using paypal
[2024-08-01 06:15:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| My business infra is mine, with physical hardware. My IP lease is from Oracle, the revolt instance is wth Vultr, and there's a few bits and pieces dotted aroudn that I'm slowly moving to my own infra
[2024-08-01 06:15:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| My business infra is mine, with physical hardware. My IP lease is from Oracle, the revolt instance is wth Vultr, and there's a few bits and pieces dotted aroudn that I'm slowly moving to my own infra
[2024-08-01 06:15:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| only reason I have vultr is because I couldn't get revolt to work on aarch64
[2024-08-01 06:15:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| only reason I have vultr is because I couldn't get revolt to work on aarch64
[2024-08-01 06:15:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-08-01 06:15:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-08-01 06:15:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so you have bare metal?
[2024-08-01 06:15:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so you have bare metal?
[2024-08-01 06:15:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| nice!
[2024-08-01 06:15:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| nice!
[2024-08-01 06:15:57] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Weeel
[2024-08-01 06:15:57] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Weeel
[2024-08-01 06:16:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| technically yes, but there's a *lot* of xen
[2024-08-01 06:16:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| technically yes, but there's a *lot* of xen
[2024-08-01 06:16:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| aha
[2024-08-01 06:16:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| aha
[2024-08-01 06:17:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| each customer gets their own little walled off space on each platform, and a bunch of prefabbed VMs spin up with all the agent workers and whatnot installed. I'm doing that by hand at the moment, until I'm more confident in not having to babysit the lot, but eventually that wll be an entirely automated process.
[2024-08-01 06:17:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| each customer gets their own little walled off space on each platform, and a bunch of prefabbed VMs spin up with all the agent workers and whatnot installed. I'm doing that by hand at the moment, until I'm more confident in not having to babysit the lot, but eventually that wll be an entirely automated process.
[2024-08-01 06:18:12] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh nice, so you're effectively doing what vultr does yourself?
[2024-08-01 06:18:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh nice, so you're effectively doing what vultr does yourself?
[2024-08-01 06:20:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, no texactly. It's more like purpose-built stuff, like, say, s3 from amazon. The VM that gets spun up has a very basic, stripped down linux on it, which is only accessible via the application or via vlan-local ssh. The vlan stuff is also a bit of  amess at teh moment too, each "group" of machines has an encompassing network, then there's a bunch of networks inside it. If I w <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 06:20:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, no texactly. It's more like purpose-built stuff, like, say, s3 from amazon. The VM that gets spun up has a very basic, stripped down linux on it, which is only accessible via the application or via vlan-local ssh. The vlan stuff is also a bit of  amess at teh moment too, each "group" of machines has an encompassing network, then there's a bunch of networks inside it. If I w <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 06:20:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ant to access any one machine, it's a bit of a centipede of ssh tunnels and certificates
[2024-08-01 06:20:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ant to access any one machine, it's a bit of a centipede of ssh tunnels and certificates
[2024-08-01 06:21:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If I were a proper sysadmin I might have a better solution ngl
[2024-08-01 06:21:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| If I were a proper sysadmin I might have a better solution ngl
[2024-08-01 06:22:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| tfw i want to get involved in code talk but i have to actually code
[2024-08-01 06:22:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| tfw i want to get involved in code talk but i have to actually code
[2024-08-01 06:22:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Anyway, I would avoid using BSD in a prod environment like that. I'd either stick with Ubuntu or Debian, purely for the sake of compatibility. I'd say the former over hte latter too, there are some fairly important patches to apache of late
[2024-08-01 06:22:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Anyway, I would avoid using BSD in a prod environment like that. I'd either stick with Ubuntu or Debian, purely for the sake of compatibility. I'd say the former over hte latter too, there are some fairly important patches to apache of late
[2024-08-01 06:23:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| na, openbsd has everything Teke needs...they have openhttpd and opensmtpd
[2024-08-01 06:23:24] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| na, openbsd has everything Teke needs...they have openhttpd and opensmtpd
[2024-08-01 06:23:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| apache will be overkill
[2024-08-01 06:23:32] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| apache will be overkill
[2024-08-01 06:23:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if he wants multiple sites, apache is much easier to use
[2024-08-01 06:23:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| if he wants multiple sites, apache is much easier to use
[2024-08-01 06:23:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| plus is more secure
[2024-08-01 06:23:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| plus is more secure
[2024-08-01 06:24:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| have you used openhttpd?
[2024-08-01 06:24:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| have you used openhttpd?
[2024-08-01 06:24:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| plus, certbot works wiht apache, so SSL for free and automated renewals
[2024-08-01 06:24:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| plus, certbot works wiht apache, so SSL for free and automated renewals
[2024-08-01 06:24:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| does openhttpd support virtualhosts in config files in the same way that apache and nginx do?
[2024-08-01 06:24:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| does openhttpd support virtualhosts in config files in the same way that apache and nginx do?
[2024-08-01 06:24:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| he only wants something simple..maybe not even dynamic...or possibly just a touch
[2024-08-01 06:24:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| he only wants something simple..maybe not even dynamic...or possibly just a touch
[2024-08-01 06:24:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Still needs ssl
[2024-08-01 06:24:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Still needs ssl
[2024-08-01 06:25:02] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| of course
[2024-08-01 06:25:02] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| of course
[2024-08-01 06:25:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if the openbsd guys can run their sites with it..and they deal with much more traffic and complicated situations than we will..then it will be fine
[2024-08-01 06:25:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if the openbsd guys can run their sites with it..and they deal with much more traffic and complicated situations than we will..then it will be fine
[2024-08-01 06:26:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IF we ever needed nginx or apache, they are available too in openbsd
[2024-08-01 06:26:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IF we ever needed nginx or apache, they are available too in openbsd
[2024-08-01 06:27:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, if you want to do so, do so - but bear in mind you'll be practically the only port of call for him if shit goes TITSUP
[2024-08-01 06:27:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, if you want to do so, do so - but bear in mind you'll be practically the only port of call for him if shit goes TITSUP
[2024-08-01 06:27:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im fine with that..firstly i have the time and energy to do it...secondly i'll back everything up so if he wants to change it can be done easily
[2024-08-01 06:27:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| im fine with that..firstly i have the time and energy to do it...secondly i'll back everything up so if he wants to change it can be done easily
[2024-08-01 06:28:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| riger dodger
[2024-08-01 06:28:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| riger dodger
[2024-08-01 06:28:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| plus i know it better than linux
[2024-08-01 06:28:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| plus i know it better than linux
[2024-08-01 06:28:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ew i cant type today
[2024-08-01 06:28:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ew i cant type today
[2024-08-01 06:29:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh and also, email is a bit of a different beast today. I strongly suggest using something like mailcow for the sake of simplicity. Vultr does support rdns, but you'll have to handle spf, dkim, and dmarc all yourself
[2024-08-01 06:29:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh and also, email is a bit of a different beast today. I strongly suggest using something like mailcow for the sake of simplicity. Vultr does support rdns, but you'll have to handle spf, dkim, and dmarc all yourself
[2024-08-01 06:30:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and use an email form, rather than a mailto address. Crawlers are *everywhere* these days and they straight up ignore robots.txt
[2024-08-01 06:30:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and use an email form, rather than a mailto address. Crawlers are *everywhere* these days and they straight up ignore robots.txt
[2024-08-01 06:32:13] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok i will look into all that..before i do anything major i'll check here with you guys too. im assuming openbsd has what we need for email in the base system, if not then i will use ports
[2024-08-01 06:32:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok i will look into all that..before i do anything major i'll check here with you guys too. im assuming openbsd has what we need for email in the base system, if not then i will use ports
[2024-08-01 06:32:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i gtg, the gf is going nuts with me for not getting ready lol
[2024-08-01 06:32:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i gtg, the gf is going nuts with me for not getting ready lol
[2024-08-01 06:32:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Honestly, don't use built-in mail agents. *pleasepleaseplease*
[2024-08-01 06:32:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Honestly, don't use built-in mail agents. *pleasepleaseplease*
[2024-08-01 06:33:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i'll look into it deli, gtg now
[2024-08-01 06:33:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i'll look into it deli, gtg now
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[2024-08-01 07:37:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| xd
[2024-08-01 07:37:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| xd
[2024-08-01 07:37:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268533038581547060/FqU1kdGXgAIAAbD.png?ex=66acc4f4&is=66ab7374&hm=d0e907f68ea15584a9006ed0531c1937e22fb88c6e913c3a6a181de4e88f7abe&
[2024-08-01 07:37:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268533038581547060/FqU1kdGXgAIAAbD.png?ex=66acc4f4&is=66ab7374&hm=d0e907f68ea15584a9006ed0531c1937e22fb88c6e913c3a6a181de4e88f7abe&
[2024-08-01 07:37:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| remember when graphics cards were esoteric gamer gear
[2024-08-01 07:37:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| remember when graphics cards were esoteric gamer gear
[2024-08-01 07:39:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| personally im trying to get closer to the cliff edge
[2024-08-01 07:39:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| personally im trying to get closer to the cliff edge
[2024-08-01 10:34:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub So, OpenSMTPD has been around since 2013 and is highly portable, working on pretty much all UNIX-like OSes, including Linux. It's in Debian, Arch, etc, I have checked. It looks good so far.
[2024-08-01 10:34:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub So, OpenSMTPD has been around since 2013 and is highly portable, working on pretty much all UNIX-like OSes, including Linux. It's in Debian, Arch, etc, I have checked. It looks good so far.
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[2024-08-01 10:53:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the reason I suggested mailcow is because it's a complete mail package, not just an smtp relay. It even includes web access, hsould it be required. It can also accept routing through apache, which makes configuring SSL for your mailserver much, *much* easier
[2024-08-01 10:53:58] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the reason I suggested mailcow is because it's a complete mail package, not just an smtp relay. It even includes web access, hsould it be required. It can also accept routing through apache, which makes configuring SSL for your mailserver much, *much* easier
[2024-08-01 10:54:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It also includes ClamAV, as well as r.... I forget, the anti-spam thing
[2024-08-01 10:54:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| It also includes ClamAV, as well as r.... I forget, the anti-spam thing
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[2024-08-01 12:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| there are other daemons/programs in openbsd that do those things, such as spamd, openhttpd, etc. if i do need to use a non-base daemon/program for some functionality then so be it. i'll keep learning what i need to for now and i'll soon find out what i do and dont need. i'll still put here what im thinking of using so you can say what you think. i'll try use tools that are cross-platform etc
[2024-08-01 12:42:36] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| there are other daemons/programs in openbsd that do those things, such as spamd, openhttpd, etc. if i do need to use a non-base daemon/program for some functionality then so be it. i'll keep learning what i need to for now and i'll soon find out what i do and dont need. i'll still put here what im thinking of using so you can say what you think. i'll try use tools that are cross-platform etc
[2024-08-01 12:43:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i have to go again lol but i will be on later for longer
[2024-08-01 12:43:07] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i have to go again lol but i will be on later for longer
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[2024-08-01 15:17:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I've been reading you guys, trying to figure out the details, but I understand the thing in general.
[2024-08-01 15:17:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I've been reading you guys, trying to figure out the details, but I understand the thing in general.
[2024-08-01 15:17:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I guess both are trying to apply your knowledge on what's important, also consider it's just the beginning, and I'm like the only worker of my company so adding a lot of things from the very beginning could be overwelming(?)
[2024-08-01 15:17:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I guess both are trying to apply your knowledge on what's important, also consider it's just the beginning, and I'm like the only worker of my company so adding a lot of things from the very beginning could be overwelming(?)
[2024-08-01 15:17:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| So trying to make some order, consider I just want a space to post what I can do as an engineer and musician to offer those services to the most people I can reach, hopefully in the future I may hire someone and make it grow, but I believe for this year, something like a portfolio or a catalogue could work
[2024-08-01 15:17:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| So trying to make some order, consider I just want a space to post what I can do as an engineer and musician to offer those services to the most people I can reach, hopefully in the future I may hire someone and make it grow, but I believe for this year, something like a portfolio or a catalogue could work
[2024-08-01 15:19:12] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I know there's a lot more going on in the background, but remember to consider the size of the project so you can agree more on small decisions
[2024-08-01 15:19:12] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I know there's a lot more going on in the background, but remember to consider the size of the project so you can agree more on small decisions
[2024-08-01 15:21:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If monkey's gonna do the do with you, then it's probably he who will make the call on the structure of the webserver. We're just grumbling about it, that's all :D
[2024-08-01 15:21:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| If monkey's gonna do the do with you, then it's probably he who will make the call on the structure of the webserver. We're just grumbling about it, that's all :D
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[2024-08-01 15:31:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Got it
[2024-08-01 15:31:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Got it
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[2024-08-01 18:11:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Something to remember is that any code, setup files,etc has to be maintained into the future. I am trying to keep things both simple and cross platform at the same time. I do listen to everyone...whether i agree or disagree is another matter 😛
[2024-08-01 18:11:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Something to remember is that any code, setup files,etc has to be maintained into the future. I am trying to keep things both simple and cross platform at the same time. I do listen to everyone...whether i agree or disagree is another matter 😛
[2024-08-01 18:14:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @amazing_stories We would love to have you on board, offering as much or as little time and energy as you have for this project btw.
[2024-08-01 18:14:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @amazing_stories We would love to have you on board, offering as much or as little time and energy as you have for this project btw.
[2024-08-01 18:17:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| What project? I haven't been reading chat lately, can you link to the start of the conversation? I've been pretty busy with other projects, and I haven't even played this game since probably January.
[2024-08-01 18:17:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| What project? I haven't been reading chat lately, can you link to the start of the conversation? I've been pretty busy with other projects, and I haven't even played this game since probably January.
[2024-08-01 18:19:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| https://discord.com/channels/209759416604426242/209759416604426242/1268344971195584532
[2024-08-01 18:19:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| https://discord.com/channels/209759416604426242/209759416604426242/1268344971195584532
[2024-08-01 18:20:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| There is a lot to read. If you want a summary i could do that instead..up to u
[2024-08-01 18:20:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| There is a lot to read. If you want a summary i could do that instead..up to u
[2024-08-01 18:34:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Oh wow. I can't really get involved with something like that right now. I've basically stopped making websites, which is one of the reasons I passed retrocycles.net over to Z-Man. My focus lately is positioning myself to buy the company I work for (a broker for the printing industry). It is taking a lot of my time. I'm basically trying to set up some easy work I can do until I re <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 18:34:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Oh wow. I can't really get involved with something like that right now. I've basically stopped making websites, which is one of the reasons I passed retrocycles.net over to Z-Man. My focus lately is positioning myself to buy the company I work for (a broker for the printing industry). It is taking a lot of my time. I'm basically trying to set up some easy work I can do until I re <clipped message>
[2024-08-01 18:34:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| tire. I'm an old man now, you see.
[2024-08-01 18:34:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| tire. I'm an old man now, you see.
[2024-08-01 18:35:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Although the company might go out of business before I can buy it...
[2024-08-01 18:35:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Although the company might go out of business before I can buy it...
[2024-08-01 18:36:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| No probs sine. Even if you just give us some good advice on things when needed it would be appreciated. Good luck with your aquisition!
[2024-08-01 18:36:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| No probs sine. Even if you just give us some good advice on things when needed it would be appreciated. Good luck with your aquisition!
[2024-08-01 18:37:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| For what it's worth, retrocycles.net is a pretty cool site
[2024-08-01 18:37:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| For what it's worth, retrocycles.net is a pretty cool site
[2024-08-01 18:37:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ok I'll try to watch this channel
[2024-08-01 18:37:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ok I'll try to watch this channel
[2024-08-01 18:37:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok. we will ping you for advice from time to time if that helps
[2024-08-01 18:37:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok. we will ping you for advice from time to time if that helps
[2024-08-01 18:37:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| k
[2024-08-01 18:37:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| k
[2024-08-01 18:38:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| you wise old man u
[2024-08-01 18:38:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| you wise old man u
[2024-08-01 18:39:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'm so goddamn old...
[2024-08-01 18:39:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'm so goddamn old...
[2024-08-01 18:41:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what did you use to make retrocycles.net sine?
[2024-08-01 18:41:41] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| what did you use to make retrocycles.net sine?
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[2024-08-01 20:02:37] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Lol magi I tried our analogue of that ear stuff you have. Absolutely worthless and my ears crackled all day no matter how many times I rinsed them out
[2024-08-01 20:02:37] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Lol magi I tried our analogue of that ear stuff you have. Absolutely worthless and my ears crackled all day no matter how many times I rinsed them out
[2024-08-01 20:02:44] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Weirdest sensation too
[2024-08-01 20:02:44] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Weirdest sensation too
[2024-08-01 21:09:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| If you ever try an art attack project, you are, else, you're not xd
[2024-08-01 21:09:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| If you ever try an art attack project, you are, else, you're not xd
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[2024-08-01 23:15:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| The whole site is a single HTML file with some CSS. Not even any JavaScript. Here is the whole thing zipped at 2.8MB, and 2.4 of it is just a font.
[2024-08-01 23:15:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| The whole site is a single HTML file with some CSS. Not even any JavaScript. Here is the whole thing zipped at 2.8MB, and 2.4 of it is just a font.
[2024-08-01 23:15:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268769170212913172/website.zip?ex=66ada0de&is=66ac4f5e&hm=eed2e1f24351a11d675df3b045bba60b25ce073a5dab519032954e3e045c806b&
[2024-08-01 23:15:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1268769170212913172/website.zip?ex=66ada0de&is=66ac4f5e&hm=eed2e1f24351a11d675df3b045bba60b25ce073a5dab519032954e3e045c806b&
[2024-08-01 23:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've never heard of this, sounds interesting!
[2024-08-01 23:16:55] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I've never heard of this, sounds interesting!
[2024-08-01 23:18:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Then you're not old enough. There was a discovery program where a guy made art with "things you can find at home" called Art attack
[2024-08-01 23:18:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Then you're not old enough. There was a discovery program where a guy made art with "things you can find at home" called Art attack
[2024-08-01 23:18:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Very popular in the 90's
[2024-08-01 23:18:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Very popular in the 90's
[2024-08-01 23:19:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| I'm pretty sure you've watched even one episode once
[2024-08-01 23:19:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| I'm pretty sure you've watched even one episode once
[2024-08-01 23:19:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Ah, this means I'm actually too old. Art Attack in the 90s means I was already in my 20's working as an artist professionally.
[2024-08-01 23:19:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Ah, this means I'm actually too old. Art Attack in the 90s means I was already in my 20's working as an artist professionally.
[2024-08-01 23:19:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'm 52!
[2024-08-01 23:19:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'm 52!
[2024-08-01 23:20:13] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Dayum!
[2024-08-01 23:20:13] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Dayum!
[2024-08-01 23:20:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Lmao
[2024-08-01 23:20:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Lmao
[2024-08-01 23:20:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'll be 53 on Oct 16
[2024-08-01 23:20:27] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I'll be 53 on Oct 16
[2024-08-01 23:21:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Well i'm 31 and I make noises when i get a seat on couches, "old" is a perception xd
[2024-08-01 23:21:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Well i'm 31 and I make noises when i get a seat on couches, "old" is a perception xd
[2024-08-01 23:21:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha.
[2024-08-01 23:21:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha.
[2024-08-01 23:25:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Actually I wouldn't guess you were over 40 tbh
[2024-08-01 23:25:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Actually I wouldn't guess you were over 40 tbh
[2024-08-01 23:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| It's because A) I'm rather immature and B) I'm probably younger, culturally, due to my interests.
[2024-08-01 23:51:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| It's because A) I'm rather immature and B) I'm probably younger, culturally, due to my interests.
[2024-08-01 23:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| If we think about it deeper, it's like the time concept.
[2024-08-01 23:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| If we think about it deeper, it's like the time concept.
[2024-08-01 23:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| If you have 10.000 years but anything changes
[2024-08-01 23:54:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| If you have 10.000 years but anything changes
[2024-08-01 23:54:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| And on the other side you have one day but everything happens
[2024-08-01 23:54:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| And on the other side you have one day but everything happens
[2024-08-01 23:54:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| You probably feel like time "happens" faster on that day than in those 10.000 years, bc time is a perception of change
[2024-08-01 23:54:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| You probably feel like time "happens" faster on that day than in those 10.000 years, bc time is a perception of change
[2024-08-01 23:55:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| So, age perception is based on how much you can still do with your time
[2024-08-01 23:55:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| So, age perception is based on how much you can still do with your time
[2024-08-01 23:56:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Since you still do a lot of things and are planning to do even more things, there is the perception that you're younger
[2024-08-01 23:56:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Since you still do a lot of things and are planning to do even more things, there is the perception that you're younger
[2024-08-01 23:57:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| But that's a good thing anyway
[2024-08-01 23:57:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| But that's a good thing anyway
[2024-08-01 23:58:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:Teko| Fun fact, people that often develop skills in different areas are probably forced to be mature bc you need a lot of discipline and auto-motivation and stress management so I don't think you're immature at all xd
[2024-08-01 23:59:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:Teko| Fun fact, people that often develop skills in different areas are probably forced to be mature bc you need a lot of discipline and auto-motivation and stress management so I don't think you're immature at all xd
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