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[2024-09-21 01:52:54] <Lucifer_arma_> my TRON review is my best editing job so far
[2024-09-21 01:52:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| my TRON review is my best editing job so far
[2024-09-21 01:53:17] <Lucifer_arma_> I've finished the plot summary, and I'm somewhat surprised at how well the visuals are lining up with the audio
[2024-09-21 01:53:17] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I've finished the plot summary, and I'm somewhat surprised at how well the visuals are lining up with the audio
[2024-09-21 01:53:30] <Lucifer_arma_> still have to finish the commentary at the end, but I am hoping to upload it tonight
[2024-09-21 01:53:30] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| still have to finish the commentary at the end, but I am hoping to upload it tonight
[2024-09-21 01:53:54] <Lucifer_arma_> there's a callout to armagetron, but unfortunately it's an apology for not including any arma footage because I ran out of time and need to hurry up and finish the video
[2024-09-21 01:53:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there's a callout to armagetron, but unfortunately it's an apology for not including any arma footage because I ran out of time and need to hurry up and finish the video
[2024-09-21 01:54:06] <Lucifer_arma_> I'll put a link in the description
[2024-09-21 01:54:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'll put a link in the description
[2024-09-21 02:09:58] <Lucifer_arma_> I take it back somewhat, I managed to squeeze in some arma footage, but I don't think I'll be fitting anymore in there
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[2024-09-21 02:50:32] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| Is tron on GitHub by chance?
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[2024-09-21 03:30:39] <Lucifer_arma_> oh my fucking god.  I have just watched the stupidest music video ever made.  I watched Mr. Roboto
[2024-09-21 03:30:40] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| oh my fucking god.  I have just watched the stupidest music video ever made.  I watched Mr. Roboto
[2024-09-21 03:30:55] <Lucifer_arma_> It ties into the TRON video, I promise, but wtf did I just watch?
[2024-09-21 03:30:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| It ties into the TRON video, I promise, but wtf did I just watch?
[2024-09-21 03:58:11] <Lucifer_arma_> It's about 18 minutes.  Rendering now.  It's been a month since I posted, I need to step it up!
[2024-09-21 03:58:12] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| It's about 18 minutes.  Rendering now.  It's been a month since I posted, I need to step it up!
[2024-09-21 04:11:34] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Sourceforge and gitlab
[2024-09-21 04:11:34] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:NorthernScrub| Sourceforge and gitlab
[2024-09-21 04:32:52] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:theyellowarchitect| thank you for that ping, it truly is important information.
[2024-09-21 04:32:52] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:theyellowarchitect| thank you for that ping, it truly is important information.
[2024-09-21 04:32:53] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:theyellowarchitect| I am also surprised i hear it first from discord and not youtube which is known for ragebait farming
[2024-09-21 04:32:53] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:theyellowarchitect| I am also surprised i hear it first from discord and not youtube which is known for ragebait farming
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[2024-09-21 05:36:09] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Frankly I'm surprised I hadn't heard about it earlier, given the scope of the legislation. I actually got it from an IRC message, which pointed to, of all places, the protonmail subreddit. Maybe it was just lost in the ether, idk, but EFF and all that are all lit up about it
[2024-09-21 05:36:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Frankly I'm surprised I hadn't heard about it earlier, given the scope of the legislation. I actually got it from an IRC message, which pointed to, of all places, the protonmail subreddit. Maybe it was just lost in the ether, idk, but EFF and all that are all lit up about it
[2024-09-21 05:36:46] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| They already somehow passed an early iteration of the legislation that allows orgs to do it voluntarily, so... yeah.
[2024-09-21 05:36:46] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| They already somehow passed an early iteration of the legislation that allows orgs to do it voluntarily, so... yeah.
[2024-09-21 05:44:42] <Lucifer_arma_> what legislation?
[2024-09-21 05:44:42] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| what legislation?
[2024-09-21 05:44:48] <Lucifer_arma_> also, my TRON review is up
[2024-09-21 05:44:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| also, my TRON review is up
[2024-09-21 05:45:04] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh sorry, I forgot you can't see the announcements channel on irc. sec I'll pm
[2024-09-21 05:45:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh sorry, I forgot you can't see the announcements channel on irc. sec I'll pm
[2024-09-21 05:46:25] <Lucifer_arma_> looks like the EU just passed the PATRIOT act
[2024-09-21 05:46:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| looks like the EU just passed the PATRIOT act
[2024-09-21 05:46:28] <Lucifer_arma_> HOLY FUCK
[2024-09-21 05:46:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| HOLY FUCK
[2024-09-21 05:47:06] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Kind of. There's a diluted version already in play, but its a temporary piece of legislation. They're currently mulling over a permanent, mandatory form of the same
[2024-09-21 05:47:06] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Kind of. There's a diluted version already in play, but its a temporary piece of legislation. They're currently mulling over a permanent, mandatory form of the same
[2024-09-21 05:47:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Unfortunately, it impacts the world at large, and no tin a good way
[2024-09-21 05:47:32] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Unfortunately, it impacts the world at large, and no tin a good way
[2024-09-21 05:47:34] <Lucifer_arma_> what prompted this?  THis is insane.  Granted, if Trump wins, we'll have this in the USA pretty soon
[2024-09-21 05:47:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| what prompted this?  THis is insane.  Granted, if Trump wins, we'll have this in the USA pretty soon
[2024-09-21 05:48:13] <Lucifer_arma_> well, anytime silencing free speech impacts us all, but the EU is becoming a superpower, so yeah, it's going to hurt everybody
[2024-09-21 05:48:13] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, anytime silencing free speech impacts us all, but the EU is becoming a superpower, so yeah, it's going to hurt everybody
[2024-09-21 05:48:41] <Lucifer_arma_> I referenced the patriot act because it had a similar effect, but what you're saying is much deeper than that even went
[2024-09-21 05:48:41] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I referenced the patriot act because it had a similar effect, but what you're saying is much deeper than that even went
[2024-09-21 05:49:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| You know, I'm not sure. The shadow of authoritarianism has been there for a while, and events like that riot in Germany a few years ago didn't help. Then theres the innumerable singular attacks of russian origin, where a single person or maybe tow or three are directly targeted. The ever present and prescient threat of terrorism, given the EU is easier to access than the US... th <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 05:49:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| You know, I'm not sure. The shadow of authoritarianism has been there for a while, and events like that riot in Germany a few years ago didn't help. Then theres the innumerable singular attacks of russian origin, where a single person or maybe tow or three are directly targeted. The ever present and prescient threat of terrorism, given the EU is easier to access than the US... th <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 05:49:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| e list goes on. None of it excuses the legislation, but it does paint a picture of the thinking behind it
[2024-09-21 05:49:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| e list goes on. None of it excuses the legislation, but it does paint a picture of the thinking behind it
[2024-09-21 05:50:13] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but as to one specific event or statement that drives it? no  idea
[2024-09-21 05:50:14] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| but as to one specific event or statement that drives it? no  idea
[2024-09-21 05:50:19] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| also "becoming"? lol
[2024-09-21 05:50:19] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| also "becoming"? lol
[2024-09-21 05:51:18] <Lucifer_arma_> well, y'all are so focused on doing peaceful stuff, I mean, come on, our military could overrun you pretty quickly.  The occupation wouldn't be pretty, but part of being a superpower is having military superiority
[2024-09-21 05:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, y'all are so focused on doing peaceful stuff, I mean, come on, our military could overrun you pretty quickly.  The occupation wouldn't be pretty, but part of being a superpower is having military superiority
[2024-09-21 05:51:32] <Lucifer_arma_> it's not just resources.  If it were, y'all would be.
[2024-09-21 05:51:32] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it's not just resources.  If it were, y'all would be.
[2024-09-21 05:51:43] <Lucifer_arma_> but you're also UK, and y'all dumbasses voted to leave the EU
[2024-09-21 05:51:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but you're also UK, and y'all dumbasses voted to leave the EU
[2024-09-21 05:51:58] <Lucifer_arma_> if it came to a vote here in Texas, I'd vote to join the EU
[2024-09-21 05:51:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| if it came to a vote here in Texas, I'd vote to join the EU
[2024-09-21 05:55:33] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Yeah.... don't get me started on that one. We could have veto'd this bullshit. 
[2024-09-21 05:55:33] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Yeah.... don't get me started on that one. We could have veto'd this bullshit. 
[2024-09-21 05:55:33] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| As for the military stuff, nato rules also apply if a nato member attacks another nato member, so you'd have a joint EU-NATO defense to get by. You might have the edge in natural resources, perhaps, but we have some fantastic technological force multipliers. Overall I'd say its a pretty balanced equation - and it;s not unlikely that we'd have an easier time of garnering allies, g <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 05:55:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| As for the military stuff, nato rules also apply if a nato member attacks another nato member, so you'd have a joint EU-NATO defense to get by. You might have the edge in natural resources, perhaps, but we have some fantastic technological force multipliers. Overall I'd say its a pretty balanced equation - and it;s not unlikely that we'd have an easier time of garnering allies, g <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 05:55:35] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| iven our proximity. Also, Canada would be interesting. I don't think we've ever really had an inter-commonwealth war. They'd probably see immense internal pressure to remain neutral, and likely provide some manufacturing resources to the US. 
[2024-09-21 05:55:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| iven our proximity. Also, Canada would be interesting. I don't think we've ever really had an inter-commonwealth war. They'd probably see immense internal pressure to remain neutral, and likely provide some manufacturing resources to the US. 
[2024-09-21 05:55:36] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Man wargaming is fucking fun, I need to start playing civ again
[2024-09-21 05:55:36] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Man wargaming is fucking fun, I need to start playing civ again
[2024-09-21 05:58:04] <Lucifer_arma_> I'd like to game this scenario, but I don't know an engine that has the accuracy needed.  Freeciv is fun, but it's not accurate enough
[2024-09-21 05:58:04] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'd like to game this scenario, but I don't know an engine that has the accuracy needed.  Freeciv is fun, but it's not accurate enough
[2024-09-21 05:58:37] <Lucifer_arma_> I only read the EFF link, because the others were all from the same domain, and that's a sign of a lack of objectivity
[2024-09-21 05:58:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I only read the EFF link, because the others were all from the same domain, and that's a sign of a lack of objectivity
[2024-09-21 05:59:34] <Lucifer_arma_> but yeah, I didn't consider NATO.  I think without NATO, the US would rapidly overrun EU positions, but then either the counterattack would push us back or there'd be guerilla warfare that would make occupation impossible
[2024-09-21 05:59:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but yeah, I didn't consider NATO.  I think without NATO, the US would rapidly overrun EU positions, but then either the counterattack would push us back or there'd be guerilla warfare that would make occupation impossible
[2024-09-21 06:00:00] <Lucifer_arma_> maybe we'd make it to central germany, assuming a west coast invasion
[2024-09-21 06:00:01] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| maybe we'd make it to central germany, assuming a west coast invasion
[2024-09-21 06:00:30] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd also read Patrick Breyer's links at least, if nto the Threema link. Breyer has a history of making information quite accessible. Also he's a member of the EU Parliament's Pirate Party
[2024-09-21 06:00:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd also read Patrick Breyer's links at least, if nto the Threema link. Breyer has a history of making information quite accessible. Also he's a member of the EU Parliament's Pirate Party
[2024-09-21 06:00:42] <Lucifer_arma_> but look at Ukraine if you want to see how easy it is to invade the EU.  I mean, sure, Ukraine isn't EU, and *now* they're supplied by NATO, but we all expected them to fall within days
[2024-09-21 06:00:42] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but look at Ukraine if you want to see how easy it is to invade the EU.  I mean, sure, Ukraine isn't EU, and *now* they're supplied by NATO, but we all expected them to fall within days
[2024-09-21 06:00:59] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm there for Pirates
[2024-09-21 06:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm there for Pirates
[2024-09-21 06:01:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| lol look at russia. Ukraine walked right into Kursk
[2024-09-21 06:01:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| lol look at russia. Ukraine walked right into Kursk
[2024-09-21 06:02:59] <Lucifer_arma_> well, they have NATO suport now, I meant back when the invasion first happened and Ukraine didn't fall right away, they fought and won and held back the Russians, and then NATO stepped in and said 
[2024-09-21 06:02:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| well, they have NATO suport now, I meant back when the invasion first happened and Ukraine didn't fall right away, they fought and won and held back the Russians, and then NATO stepped in and said
[2024-09-21 06:03:05] <Lucifer_arma_> "Hey, would you like some bullets?"
[2024-09-21 06:03:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| "Hey, would you like some bullets?"
[2024-09-21 06:03:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| uh, we did somewhat arm them a few days before the invasion too
[2024-09-21 06:03:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| uh, we did somewhat arm them a few days before the invasion too
[2024-09-21 06:03:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| that air convoy from the UK to Ukraine that skirted around Germany very deliberately?
[2024-09-21 06:03:55] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| that air convoy from the UK to Ukraine that skirted around Germany very deliberately?
[2024-09-21 06:03:58] <Lucifer_arma_> We couldn't conquer y'all, we could just overrun your positions for awhile and level a few cities, which would be horrible by itself
[2024-09-21 06:03:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| We couldn't conquer y'all, we could just overrun your positions for awhile and level a few cities, which would be horrible by itself
[2024-09-21 06:04:17] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the repercussions would be dire
[2024-09-21 06:04:17] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the repercussions would be dire
[2024-09-21 06:04:49] <Lucifer_arma_> it would be horrible.  Better for us to invade Russia.  Seriously.
[2024-09-21 06:04:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it would be horrible.  Better for us to invade Russia.  Seriously.
[2024-09-21 06:05:19] <Lucifer_arma_> actually, if the US is going to invade anybody, it should be Mexico, but I've been making that argument for over 20 years now
[2024-09-21 06:05:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| actually, if the US is going to invade anybody, it should be Mexico, but I've been making that argument for over 20 years now
[2024-09-21 06:05:47] <Lucifer_arma_> Eu expands peacefully, but over here in North America, we haven't figured that out yet
[2024-09-21 06:05:47] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Eu expands peacefully, but over here in North America, we haven't figured that out yet
[2024-09-21 06:06:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| although I did actually have a think about this a while ago, and I'm of the opinion that the US has a very clear vulnerability, and that's the disposition of your cities. Lots of very empty space between them, which makes it absurdly easy to mount attacks on your transport infrastructure. Since your manufacturing sector is quite decentralised, it would put quite hte strain on you <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 06:06:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| r air transport network
[2024-09-21 06:06:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| although I did actually have a think about this a while ago, and I'm of the opinion that the US has a very clear vulnerability, and that's the disposition of your cities. Lots of very empty space between them, which makes it absurdly easy to mount attacks on your transport infrastructure. Since your manufacturing sector is quite decentralised, it would put quite hte strain on you <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 06:06:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| r air transport network
[2024-09-21 06:07:02] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| not quite enough to overcome you alone, but enough to add serious complications
[2024-09-21 06:07:02] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| not quite enough to overcome you alone, but enough to add serious complications
[2024-09-21 06:07:04] <Lucifer_arma_> I'll tell you what really surprises me about this legislation.  It's so far behind the US in every possible way.  We already shut down trafficking websites and drove trafficking back into a dark corner and made it harder to track (sopa)
[2024-09-21 06:07:04] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'll tell you what really surprises me about this legislation.  It's so far behind the US in every possible way.  We already shut down trafficking websites and drove trafficking back into a dark corner and made it harder to track (sopa)
[2024-09-21 06:07:37] <Lucifer_arma_> y'all need to catch up with the totalitarianism.  I mean, we already had the guy shoot up the pizza place because he believed there was CSA happening in the basement that didn't exist
[2024-09-21 06:07:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| y'all need to catch up with the totalitarianism.  I mean, we already had the guy shoot up the pizza place because he believed there was CSA happening in the basement that didn't exist
[2024-09-21 06:08:19] <Lucifer_arma_> if you can get a foothold, blitzkrieg tactics would work wonderfully in the US
[2024-09-21 06:08:19] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| if you can get a foothold, blitzkrieg tactics would work wonderfully in the US
[2024-09-21 06:08:24] <Lucifer_arma_> the problem is getting that beachhead
[2024-09-21 06:08:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the problem is getting that beachhead
[2024-09-21 06:09:01] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh that's straightforward
[2024-09-21 06:09:01] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| oh that's straightforward
[2024-09-21 06:09:06] <Lucifer_arma_> so we're clear, blitzkrieg isn't just "moving tanks in quickly", it's tanks taking key infrastructure points and bypassing cities, and infantry moving in afterwards to take the cities
[2024-09-21 06:09:06] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| so we're clear, blitzkrieg isn't just "moving tanks in quickly", it's tanks taking key infrastructure points and bypassing cities, and infantry moving in afterwards to take the cities
[2024-09-21 06:10:02] <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's not straightforward.  THere's no beach available.  Even us crazy ass left wing liberals will take up arms against a foreign invasion.  We'll go shoulder to shoulder with Trump supporters.
[2024-09-21 06:10:03] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, it's not straightforward.  THere's no beach available.  Even us crazy ass left wing liberals will take up arms against a foreign invasion.  We'll go shoulder to shoulder with Trump supporters.
[2024-09-21 06:10:26] <Lucifer_arma_> WE're not *that* divided, and there's a gun store literally a stone's throw away from me
[2024-09-21 06:10:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| WE're not *that* divided, and there's a gun store literally a stone's throw away from me
[2024-09-21 06:10:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you have relatively easy movement between canada and america, so we take it slowly. Start filtering people in, under the guise of regular folk. We don't even need to supply weapons, really - practically everything is already available to the public in one form or another. Then, at an agreed upon time, we hit everything on the same night.
[2024-09-21 06:10:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you have relatively easy movement between canada and america, so we take it slowly. Start filtering people in, under the guise of regular folk. We don't even need to supply weapons, really - practically everything is already available to the public in one form or another. Then, at an agreed upon time, we hit everything on the same night.
[2024-09-21 06:11:03] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| over the course of a year we could easily shuffle a few thousand people in
[2024-09-21 06:11:03] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| over the course of a year we could easily shuffle a few thousand people in
[2024-09-21 06:11:33] <Lucifer_arma_> a few thousand isn't enough.  Your plan requires too many people.
[2024-09-21 06:11:33] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| a few thousand isn't enough.  Your plan requires too many people.
[2024-09-21 06:11:57] <Lucifer_arma_> You need to draw out our military, which isn't that difficult, especially if Trump wins
[2024-09-21 06:11:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| You need to draw out our military, which isn't that difficult, especially if Trump wins
[2024-09-21 06:12:04] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| well, sure, but that figure could be upped easily enough. Point is, the ligistics are not complex
[2024-09-21 06:12:04] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| well, sure, but that figure could be upped easily enough. Point is, the ligistics are not complex
[2024-09-21 06:12:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| and if we used saboteurs, rather than foot soldiers, then nobody is ever going to recognise us until we do the deed
[2024-09-21 06:12:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| and if we used saboteurs, rather than foot soldiers, then nobody is ever going to recognise us until we do the deed
[2024-09-21 06:12:51] <Lucifer_arma_> sure, you could put a million people in our borders who have the same access to guns that regular citizens have, that's easy, just whine about the second amendment
[2024-09-21 06:12:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| sure, you could put a million people in our borders who have the same access to guns that regular citizens have, that's easy, just whine about the second amendment
[2024-09-21 06:12:59] <Lucifer_arma_> but guns don't decide wars, explosives do
[2024-09-21 06:12:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but guns don't decide wars, explosives do
[2024-09-21 06:13:43] <Lucifer_arma_> but what are you going to hit?  We're decentralized by nature, so the centralization that's here is somewhat forced, and we're still fighting amongts ourselves over it
[2024-09-21 06:13:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but what are you going to hit?  We're decentralized by nature, so the centralization that's here is somewhat forced, and we're still fighting amongts ourselves over it
[2024-09-21 06:15:50] <Lucifer_arma_> and at some point, you can't avoid this geological fact, you have to move people across the ocean to come here
[2024-09-21 06:15:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and at some point, you can't avoid this geological fact, you have to move people across the ocean to come here
[2024-09-21 06:16:10] <Lucifer_arma_> in both world wars, we moved people, and it was expensive as fucking hell.
[2024-09-21 06:16:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| in both world wars, we moved people, and it was expensive as fucking hell.
[2024-09-21 06:16:27] <Lucifer_arma_> Most of our actual money in those wars was spent moving troops across the ocean
[2024-09-21 06:16:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Most of our actual money in those wars was spent moving troops across the ocean
[2024-09-21 06:16:47] <Lucifer_arma_> in WWI, we had a beachhead, meaning we had peaceful places to land our troops
[2024-09-21 06:16:47] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| in WWI, we had a beachhead, meaning we had peaceful places to land our troops
[2024-09-21 06:17:12] <Lucifer_arma_> but in WWII, we had D-Day, where hundreds of people per hour were killed, after redirecting the germans to some other target
[2024-09-21 06:17:13] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but in WWII, we had D-Day, where hundreds of people per hour were killed, after redirecting the germans to some other target
[2024-09-21 06:17:26] <Lucifer_arma_> you're going to have to do that to us
[2024-09-21 06:17:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| you're going to have to do that to us
[2024-09-21 06:17:49] <Lucifer_arma_> good luck figuring out where to land, if you can get across the ocean in the first place.
[2024-09-21 06:17:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| good luck figuring out where to land, if you can get across the ocean in the first place.
[2024-09-21 06:18:45] <Lucifer_arma_> no, modern war is economy vs economy.  So if you want to defeat the US, keep doing what you're doing, because we're having stupid fights over tariffs, which is literally a 19th century political issue
[2024-09-21 06:18:45] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, modern war is economy vs economy.  So if you want to defeat the US, keep doing what you're doing, because we're having stupid fights over tariffs, which is literally a 19th century political issue
[2024-09-21 06:19:07] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| yep, even those are not so difficult to obtain in one form or another. A percentage of the operatives could easily, for example, start greenhouse businesses, legitimising a requirement for fertiliser. 
[2024-09-21 06:19:07] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| yep, even those are not so difficult to obtain in one form or another. A percentage of the operatives could easily, for example, start greenhouse businesses, legitimising a requirement for fertiliser. 
[2024-09-21 06:19:08] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| As for the infrastructure itself, roads and highways between cities and states, electrical infrastructure, communications infrastructure, etcetera. You have most of yours above ground, which makes it easy pickings. Hell, we could even dress up a few operatives in highvis vests and get them cherrypickers, and have them run around attaching smaller explosives to transformers, to fi <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 06:19:08] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| As for the infrastructure itself, roads and highways between cities and states, electrical infrastructure, communications infrastructure, etcetera. You have most of yours above ground, which makes it easy pickings. Hell, we could even dress up a few operatives in highvis vests and get them cherrypickers, and have them run around attaching smaller explosives to transformers, to fi <clipped message>
[2024-09-21 06:19:09] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| bre junctions, to traffic lights, etcetera. 
[2024-09-21 06:19:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| bre junctions, to traffic lights, etcetera. 
[2024-09-21 06:19:11] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Then, whilst your attention is diverted, we fly people in. Admittedly, that one is harder - you'd have to get them on the ground in the midst of the confusion whilst the power is out, take over air traffic control, safely divert civilian air, and land your own military as soon as able. If you time it right, you might get a handful of aircraft down before US air defences start arriving on scene
[2024-09-21 06:19:11] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Then, whilst your attention is diverted, we fly people in. Admittedly, that one is harder - you'd have to get them on the ground in the midst of the confusion whilst the power is out, take over air traffic control, safely divert civilian air, and land your own military as soon as able. If you time it right, you might get a handful of aircraft down before US air defences start arriving on scene
[2024-09-21 06:19:13] <Lucifer_arma_> you can beat us without ever firing a single shot
[2024-09-21 06:19:13] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| you can beat us without ever firing a single shot
[2024-09-21 06:19:35] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hmm. Economy is a weird one. Theoretically the US couldbe entirely self-sustaining
[2024-09-21 06:19:35] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hmm. Economy is a weird one. Theoretically the US couldbe entirely self-sustaining
[2024-09-21 06:19:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you have your own oil, you have your own food production, you';d jsut be lacking the cheap imports
[2024-09-21 06:19:53] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| you have your own oil, you have your own food production, you';d jsut be lacking the cheap imports
[2024-09-21 06:20:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I suppose the only real way to test this is to conduct an actual war game, and doing it on that scale would be a collossal human rights violation
[2024-09-21 06:20:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I suppose the only real way to test this is to conduct an actual war game, and doing it on that scale would be a collossal human rights violation
[2024-09-21 06:21:11] <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's not that simple.  Our economies are intertwined.  That was the whole idea behind the Marshall Plan.  We talk about it like "Hey, we rebuilt europe", but the idea was to make everybody's economy so intertwined that another world war would crush everyone
[2024-09-21 06:21:11] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, it's not that simple.  Our economies are intertwined.  That was the whole idea behind the Marshall Plan.  We talk about it like "Hey, we rebuilt europe", but the idea was to make everybody's economy so intertwined that another world war would crush everyone
[2024-09-21 06:21:59] <Lucifer_arma_> and that's where we're at, and why Russia only invaded Ukraine
[2024-09-21 06:21:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and that's where we're at, and why Russia only invaded Ukraine
[2024-09-21 06:22:26] <Lucifer_arma_> If they could've hit poland, they would have.  If they could have hit Greece, they would have.
[2024-09-21 06:22:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| If they could've hit poland, they would have.  If they could have hit Greece, they would have.
[2024-09-21 06:22:29] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Yes, but what I'm getting at is that the US has the resources to start untangling that. We don't have them in the amounts you do, unless you start major drilling ops in teh north sea again
[2024-09-21 06:22:29] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Yes, but what I'm getting at is that the US has the resources to start untangling that. We don't have them in the amounts you do, unless you start major drilling ops in teh north sea again
[2024-09-21 06:22:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| lol russia has many many other problems. The state of their military is abysmal, not to mention their fighting equipment
[2024-09-21 06:22:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| lol russia has many many other problems. The state of their military is abysmal, not to mention their fighting equipment
[2024-09-21 06:23:28] <Lucifer_arma_> no, we can't untangle that.  It's impossible.  We built electronic components, then we send them to China and they build circuitboards, and they send them back and we make iPhones and shit out of them
[2024-09-21 06:23:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, we can't untangle that.  It's impossible.  We built electronic components, then we send them to China and they build circuitboards, and they send them back and we make iPhones and shit out of them
[2024-09-21 06:23:39] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| they sent otu those "new" T-90s with the same OB series engine and the same guns from the T-80
[2024-09-21 06:23:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| they sent otu those "new" T-90s with the same OB series engine and the same guns from the T-80
[2024-09-21 06:24:23] <Lucifer_arma_> The US in its current incarnation cannot exist without China, the EU, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, etc.  I realise there's a lot of Asia there, but that's why Obama pivoted to Asia
[2024-09-21 06:24:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| The US in its current incarnation cannot exist without China, the EU, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, etc.  I realise there's a lot of Asia there, but that's why Obama pivoted to Asia
[2024-09-21 06:24:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| You can produce your onw fibreglass though, right? And you already have some microchip manufacturing taking place domestically. It's not a huge leap from there to producing your own PCBs
[2024-09-21 06:24:34] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| You can produce your onw fibreglass though, right? And you already have some microchip manufacturing taking place domestically. It's not a huge leap from there to producing your own PCBs
[2024-09-21 06:25:07] <Lucifer_arma_> Theoretically, sure, but it would take 2-5 years to build up the capacity to replace what comes from China
[2024-09-21 06:25:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Theoretically, sure, but it would take 2-5 years to build up the capacity to replace what comes from China
[2024-09-21 06:25:09] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the resources themselves arent the issue, I'd say. It's more a question of expertise
[2024-09-21 06:25:09] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| the resources themselves arent the issue, I'd say. It's more a question of expertise
[2024-09-21 06:25:34] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| absolutely - shit takes time, but its not impossible
[2024-09-21 06:25:34] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| absolutely - shit takes time, but its not impossible
[2024-09-21 06:25:52] <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's all about money.  It's just plain cheaper to ship shit across the biggest ocean on the planet to have some 10 year olds in China build this shit
[2024-09-21 06:25:52] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, it's all about money.  It's just plain cheaper to ship shit across the biggest ocean on the planet to have some 10 year olds in China build this shit
[2024-09-21 06:26:26] <Lucifer_arma_> don't forget, we're capitalist, so the richest people figure this out for all of us non-rich people
[2024-09-21 06:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| don't forget, we're capitalist, so the richest people figure this out for all of us non-rich people
[2024-09-21 06:27:30] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| true enough. Anyway, time for me to start doing actual work, half the morning is gone
[2024-09-21 06:27:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| true enough. Anyway, time for me to start doing actual work, half the morning is gone
[2024-09-21 06:27:45] <Lucifer_arma_> I need to get to bed too
[2024-09-21 06:27:46] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I need to get to bed too
[2024-09-21 06:28:08] <Lucifer_arma_>  but if you find a good game engine where we can play out this scenario, I'm game
[2024-09-21 06:28:08] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but if you find a good game engine where we can play out this scenario, I'm game
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[2024-09-21 13:33:10] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| hurray I rebuilt all the shit I've written for the bridge so far and now it doesn't look lik eit was written by a twelve year old who discovered the fibonacci sequence a month ago
[2024-09-21 13:33:10] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| hurray I rebuilt all the shit I've written for the bridge so far and now it doesn't look lik eit was written by a twelve year old who discovered the fibonacci sequence a month ago
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