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[2024-10-17 01:12:04] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| vO.dev is crazy
[2024-10-17 01:12:04] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| vO.dev is crazy
[2024-10-17 01:13:48] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I’m more backend and hate the frontend idk why frontend is harder for me but this Ai is so fucking good at making UI’s
[2024-10-17 01:13:48] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I’m more backend and hate the frontend idk why frontend is harder for me but this Ai is so fucking good at making UI’s
[2024-10-17 01:14:03] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| It’ll also give you live preview of what the ui and code looks like
[2024-10-17 01:14:03] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| It’ll also give you live preview of what the ui and code looks like
[2024-10-17 01:14:43] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| You can also make a codebase with vscode and send the code to the live preview that way
[2024-10-17 01:14:43] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| You can also make a codebase with vscode and send the code to the live preview that way
[2024-10-17 01:15:40] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| And the fact it’s free
[2024-10-17 01:15:40] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| And the fact it’s free
[2024-10-17 01:15:46] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| Is fucking amazing
[2024-10-17 01:15:46] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| Is fucking amazing
[2024-10-17 01:20:23] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| Asked it to convert Winkitv2 the power shell script I’m working on that uses winforms for the gui to wpf since I wanna add more design elements since this will be my all in one app for all my scripts but here’s what it gave me https://v0.dev/chat/YuPA9ANo0gu?b=b_YaYHKERFAWS
[2024-10-17 01:20:23] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| Asked it to convert Winkitv2 the power shell script I’m working on that uses winforms for the gui to wpf since I wanna add more design elements since this will be my all in one app for all my scripts but here’s what it gave me https://v0.dev/chat/YuPA9ANo0gu?b=b_YaYHKERFAWS
[2024-10-17 01:23:27] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I’m paying for ChatGPT that now has a canvas model and it can’t even make a live preview just for the ui just the code
[2024-10-17 01:23:27] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I’m paying for ChatGPT that now has a canvas model and it can’t even make a live preview just for the ui just the code
[2024-10-17 03:16:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| live preview is mostly for js and web elements
[2024-10-17 03:16:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| live preview is mostly for js and web elements
[2024-10-17 03:17:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but yeah v0 is nuts super useful for prototyping
[2024-10-17 03:17:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but yeah v0 is nuts super useful for prototyping
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[2024-10-17 03:36:12] <Lucifer_arma> I think I expressed my anger quite well
[2024-10-17 03:36:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think I expressed my anger quite well
[2024-10-17 03:36:38] <Lucifer_arma> you know, I stopped short of blowing people up, so that's a great thing
[2024-10-17 03:36:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you know, I stopped short of blowing people up, so that's a great thing
[2024-10-17 03:42:22] <Lucifer_arma> @sinewav: is it time for the socialist revolution?  I mean, there's an election soon...
[2024-10-17 03:42:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| @sinewav: is it time for the socialist revolution?  I mean, there's an election soon...
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[2024-10-17 05:55:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how do you incentivise technological innovation under a socialist system?
[2024-10-17 05:55:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how do you incentivise technological innovation under a socialist system?
[2024-10-17 05:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| my biggest issue with socialism is the tenet that somehow progress is made by shifting economic capital from highly effective entrepeneurs to astonishingly innefective governments
[2024-10-17 05:56:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| my biggest issue with socialism is the tenet that somehow progress is made by shifting economic capital from highly effective entrepeneurs to astonishingly innefective governments
[2024-10-17 05:57:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i've already seen tangible benefits of the UK pulling away from the innovation-by-regulation approach that the EU wields so fiercely
[2024-10-17 05:57:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i've already seen tangible benefits of the UK pulling away from the innovation-by-regulation approach that the EU wields so fiercely
[2024-10-17 05:57:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| emotional topics so forgive me if i have offended you reader
[2024-10-17 05:57:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| emotional topics so forgive me if i have offended you reader
[2024-10-17 06:33:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I like the concept of a harmonious balance. Innovation should be rewarded, but the fiend who misuses innovation to harm should be firmly discouraged. Hard to find that balance, but I'd argue that there's a reasonable grey area where I'd be comfortably sat. 
[2024-10-17 06:33:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I like the concept of a harmonious balance. Innovation should be rewarded, but the fiend who misuses innovation to harm should be firmly discouraged. Hard to find that balance, but I'd argue that there's a reasonable grey area where I'd be comfortably sat. 
[2024-10-17 06:33:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| In more tangible terms, regulated capitalism with some socialist concepts embedded within. Like, for example, the NHS, and other basic necessities. When a given government isn't busy selling off state assets, the concept of the staet providing a basic service level with the private market competing by adding value proposition has been shown to work quite well - RM managed to do v <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 06:33:59] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| In more tangible terms, regulated capitalism with some socialist concepts embedded within. Like, for example, the NHS, and other basic necessities. When a given government isn't busy selling off state assets, the concept of the staet providing a basic service level with the private market competing by adding value proposition has been shown to work quite well - RM managed to do v <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 06:34:00] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ery well competing with Parcelforce, DPD, UPS etcetera for quti a few years, right up until the queen's head went on sale.
[2024-10-17 06:34:00] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ery well competing with Parcelforce, DPD, UPS etcetera for quti a few years, right up until the queen's head went on sale.
[2024-10-17 06:37:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Innovation itself, though, has a variety of impetii. I'm not solely motivated to build my platform for the sake of money, for example - nor am I motivated to make the attempt in producing an environmentally appropriate fuel alternative to petroleum for money. Money is a useful tool, and is nice to have, but frankly I just want to drive my cars withotu worrying about petrol not be <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 06:37:37] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Innovation itself, though, has a variety of impetii. I'm not solely motivated to build my platform for the sake of money, for example - nor am I motivated to make the attempt in producing an environmentally appropriate fuel alternative to petroleum for money. Money is a useful tool, and is nice to have, but frankly I just want to drive my cars withotu worrying about petrol not be <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 06:37:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ing available anymore. I want the industry connections that a large SaaS platform generates to branch out into other technological fields of study. Fuck, I want to go to mars and shit. If all I wanted was money, I'd just write a few trading bots, give them a few hundred quid, and let them go to town on the markets.
[2024-10-17 06:37:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ing available anymore. I want the industry connections that a large SaaS platform generates to branch out into other technological fields of study. Fuck, I want to go to mars and shit. If all I wanted was money, I'd just write a few trading bots, give them a few hundred quid, and let them go to town on the markets.
[2024-10-17 07:52:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Try that and see how it works out for you
[2024-10-17 07:52:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Try that and see how it works out for you
[2024-10-17 07:52:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The unfortunate blackpill is that capital in this stage of capitalism does translate to capability in an increasingly linear way
[2024-10-17 07:52:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| The unfortunate blackpill is that capital in this stage of capitalism does translate to capability in an increasingly linear way
[2024-10-17 07:53:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don't think we're reaching mars or any new kind of frontier by relying on ideology as motivational material alone
[2024-10-17 07:53:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don't think we're reaching mars or any new kind of frontier by relying on ideology as motivational material alone
[2024-10-17 08:15:58] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| technological innovation happens from research and curiosity though, but yes, people wanting to sell it does help with optimizing stuff for mass production
[2024-10-17 08:15:58] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| technological innovation happens from research and curiosity though, but yes, people wanting to sell it does help with optimizing stuff for mass production
[2024-10-17 08:15:59] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| yes, putting capital money directly into research also makes more people do it, but it's not like it'd disappear without it
[2024-10-17 08:15:59] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| yes, putting capital money directly into research also makes more people do it, but it's not like it'd disappear without it
[2024-10-17 11:00:45] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| yeah its mainly meant for web development but you can ask it to convert it heres an example
[2024-10-17 11:00:45] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| yeah its mainly meant for web development but you can ask it to convert it heres an example
[2024-10-17 11:00:46] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296488078277611583/example.gif?ex=6712781d&is=6711269d&hm=97f3961b2a3535f73e0c9e8f29732e639755b891e2b69a281106dfd1b8e5775b&
[2024-10-17 11:00:47] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296488078277611583/example.gif?ex=6712781d&is=6711269d&hm=97f3961b2a3535f73e0c9e8f29732e639755b891e2b69a281106dfd1b8e5775b&
[2024-10-17 11:02:33] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| thats in wpf
[2024-10-17 11:02:34] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| thats in wpf
[2024-10-17 11:20:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I read something recently that illuminated the pretty gross fact that scientific and technical research, essentially since it's inception, has been primarily motivated by political powers and those with ideological points to pursue
[2024-10-17 11:20:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I read something recently that illuminated the pretty gross fact that scientific and technical research, essentially since it's inception, has been primarily motivated by political powers and those with ideological points to pursue
[2024-10-17 11:20:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Not the exact thing I read, but a related summary: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44397558
[2024-10-17 11:20:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Not the exact thing I read, but a related summary: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44397558
[2024-10-17 11:25:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This can be observed in historical data though by looking at the dramatic increase in frequency of papers and documents regarding things like "social statistics", "realpolitiks", "racialism" from Germany after the Franco-Prussian war
[2024-10-17 11:25:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| This can be observed in historical data though by looking at the dramatic increase in frequency of papers and documents regarding things like "social statistics", "realpolitiks", "racialism" from Germany after the Franco-Prussian war
[2024-10-17 11:26:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Science has an unsavoury habit of being at the beck and call of the most powerful and vicious ideological warlords in order to gain credibility for something that is often much more nuanced than appears on the surface
[2024-10-17 11:26:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Science has an unsavoury habit of being at the beck and call of the most powerful and vicious ideological warlords in order to gain credibility for something that is often much more nuanced than appears on the surface
[2024-10-17 11:26:11] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Forgive me for lecturing about 19th century Germany to a German 😛
[2024-10-17 11:26:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Forgive me for lecturing about 19th century Germany to a German 😛
[2024-10-17 11:27:42] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh yes, I was speaking more from the individual perspective, but yes, most of "why does someone get the opportunity to research this" is pretty much stuff like that, politics, ideologies etc
[2024-10-17 11:27:43] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh yes, I was speaking more from the individual perspective, but yes, most of "why does someone get the opportunity to research this" is pretty much stuff like that, politics, ideologies etc
[2024-10-17 11:31:56] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh that looks nice
[2024-10-17 11:31:56] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| oh that looks nice
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[2024-10-17 12:22:22] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| and to bring it back to the start, I wouldn't expect that to change much whether it's done under hard capitalism or more socialism
[2024-10-17 12:22:22] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| and to bring it back to the start, I wouldn't expect that to change much whether it's done under hard capitalism or more socialism
[2024-10-17 12:39:48] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| there was a viral video like 10 years ago that did a study on what the "perceived" wealth distribution was, what the ideal might be, and what the actual distribution is in the US (where we have virtually unfettered capitalism) and the graphs were really interesting
[2024-10-17 12:39:48] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| there was a viral video like 10 years ago that did a study on what the "perceived" wealth distribution was, what the ideal might be, and what the actual distribution is in the US (where we have virtually unfettered capitalism) and the graphs were really interesting
[2024-10-17 12:40:00] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513053080420432/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.36.56_PM.png?ex=67128f5f&is=67113ddf&hm=e7b97be6cdf3aac959062a43c2c56e04efbdffffbbae115101b0588e937a0ae8&
[2024-10-17 12:40:01] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513053080420432/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.36.56_PM.png?ex=67128f5f&is=67113ddf&hm=e7b97be6cdf3aac959062a43c2c56e04efbdffffbbae115101b0588e937a0ae8&
[2024-10-17 12:40:01] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513053877080104/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.37.14_PM.png?ex=67128f60&is=67113de0&hm=9bc9e6b1895407b352c8ec37350fd7797a014ab71dcd15ff71dd3518dac42800&
[2024-10-17 12:40:01] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513053877080104/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.37.14_PM.png?ex=67128f60&is=67113de0&hm=9bc9e6b1895407b352c8ec37350fd7797a014ab71dcd15ff71dd3518dac42800&
[2024-10-17 12:40:02] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513054695231559/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.37.53_PM.png?ex=67128f60&is=67113de0&hm=d03b2fadfe59e851816c41b2895df74e81bc60f7c404a4a8a57f42482b36897a&
[2024-10-17 12:40:02] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296513054695231559/Screen_Shot_2024-10-17_at_12.37.53_PM.png?ex=67128f60&is=67113de0&hm=d03b2fadfe59e851816c41b2895df74e81bc60f7c404a4a8a57f42482b36897a&
[2024-10-17 12:41:11] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| it broke the graph so they had to adapt it to show the top 1% owning over 40% of the wealth
[2024-10-17 12:41:11] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| it broke the graph so they had to adapt it to show the top 1% owning over 40% of the wealth
[2024-10-17 12:45:16] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| 92% of americans showed the ideal wealth distribution to be a lot closer to socialism than the perceived wealth distribution, let alone the actual distribution. i'd love to believe theres some kind of middle ground where innovation and commercial gain is incentivized but life doesn't have to suck for most people.
[2024-10-17 12:45:16] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| 92% of americans showed the ideal wealth distribution to be a lot closer to socialism than the perceived wealth distribution, let alone the actual distribution. i'd love to believe theres some kind of middle ground where innovation and commercial gain is incentivized but life doesn't have to suck for most people.
[2024-10-17 12:45:39] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I think we came fairly close to it in the late 90's and early 00's
[2024-10-17 12:45:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I think we came fairly close to it in the late 90's and early 00's
[2024-10-17 12:45:44] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| in teh UK that is
[2024-10-17 12:45:44] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| in teh UK that is
[2024-10-17 12:45:57] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| 92% of 5,000 is not 92% of americans 😉
[2024-10-17 12:45:57] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| 92% of 5,000 is not 92% of americans 😉
[2024-10-17 12:45:57] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296514550056878240/image.png?ex=671290c4&is=67113f44&hm=0969563297c7c49bfe49421ad16971ed1839f4263e7d0bbad3315b73375b475a&
[2024-10-17 12:45:57] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1296514550056878240/image.png?ex=671290c4&is=67113f44&hm=0969563297c7c49bfe49421ad16971ed1839f4263e7d0bbad3315b73375b475a&
[2024-10-17 12:45:58] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| We weathered the global recession pretty well too
[2024-10-17 12:45:58] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| We weathered the global recession pretty well too
[2024-10-17 12:46:57] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:Cadillac| me when the pollers dont reach out to 360000000 people
[2024-10-17 12:46:57] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Cadillac| me when the pollers dont reach out to 360000000 people
[2024-10-17 12:56:09] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| 5000 is a very large sample size for this kind of polling. this data was all from a study conducted by harvard business school if you've heard of that
[2024-10-17 12:56:09] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:kronkleberry| 5000 is a very large sample size for this kind of polling. this data was all from a study conducted by harvard business school if you've heard of that
[2024-10-17 13:36:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| technological innovation is what ultimately brings disaster. Can't make a bomb outta sticks.
[2024-10-17 13:36:43] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| technological innovation is what ultimately brings disaster. Can't make a bomb outta sticks.
[2024-10-17 13:36:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| also can't cure cancer tho
[2024-10-17 13:36:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| also can't cure cancer tho
[2024-10-17 13:37:13] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| valid concern
[2024-10-17 13:37:14] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| valid concern
[2024-10-17 13:37:59] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| and it brings us to a pretty deep question of what outweighs what, and what is the ultimate goal of everything
[2024-10-17 13:37:59] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| and it brings us to a pretty deep question of what outweighs what, and what is the ultimate goal of everything
[2024-10-17 13:38:06] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| to which there is no definite answer
[2024-10-17 13:38:06] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| to which there is no definite answer
[2024-10-17 13:39:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Slowly starts making bomb out of sticks lol
[2024-10-17 13:39:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Slowly starts making bomb out of sticks lol
[2024-10-17 13:40:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Whether it would be a good one is the question lol
[2024-10-17 13:40:02] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Whether it would be a good one is the question lol
[2024-10-17 13:40:30] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| perhaps it could be aesthetically pleasing fwiw
[2024-10-17 13:40:30] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| perhaps it could be aesthetically pleasing fwiw
[2024-10-17 13:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| and that's good enough
[2024-10-17 13:40:46] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| and that's good enough
[2024-10-17 13:40:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| incidentally, the romans had bombs or a sort
[2024-10-17 13:40:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| incidentally, the romans had bombs or a sort
[2024-10-17 13:41:50] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| never heard of it, what were they like?
[2024-10-17 13:41:50] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| never heard of it, what were they like?
[2024-10-17 13:42:03] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_bomb
[2024-10-17 13:42:03] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stick_bomb
[2024-10-17 13:42:41] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| I have been thoroughly defeated in this debate and I acknowledge my unrecoverable failure
[2024-10-17 13:42:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| I have been thoroughly defeated in this debate and I acknowledge my unrecoverable failure
[2024-10-17 13:43:24] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| nah its the fun kind of bomb in this case 😄
[2024-10-17 13:43:24] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| nah its the fun kind of bomb in this case 😄
[2024-10-17 13:43:29] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| 😄
[2024-10-17 13:43:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| 😄
[2024-10-17 13:46:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| but in all seriousness. Unchecked technological innovation is only a good idea if it will decidedly bring about release of all suffering to us sentient beings. Otherwise it quickly becomes problematic: with great power come ever greater potential problems. You can cure stuff easier, you can have more fun, BUT you can also kill more effectively and your complex, huge systems can f <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:46:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| but in all seriousness. Unchecked technological innovation is only a good idea if it will decidedly bring about release of all suffering to us sentient beings. Otherwise it quickly becomes problematic: with great power come ever greater potential problems. You can cure stuff easier, you can have more fun, BUT you can also kill more effectively and your complex, huge systems can f <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:46:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ail spectacularly, resulting in huge levels of suffering. Since reducing suffering is far more important than maximizing joy, the whole concept falls apart and leaves us to wonder why we are allowing this to happen.
[2024-10-17 13:46:45] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ail spectacularly, resulting in huge levels of suffering. Since reducing suffering is far more important than maximizing joy, the whole concept falls apart and leaves us to wonder why we are allowing this to happen.
[2024-10-17 13:49:31] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't quit ego that far. Stuff that brings us entertainment can be fantastic - video games, etcetera. Hell, this entire discord community is centred around a video game. That's not tied to the relief of pain or anything, its just a fun lil project that garnered a following. Same goes for things that take care of repetitive work - automation is useful for reducing risk, impro <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:49:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't quit ego that far. Stuff that brings us entertainment can be fantastic - video games, etcetera. Hell, this entire discord community is centred around a video game. That's not tied to the relief of pain or anything, its just a fun lil project that garnered a following. Same goes for things that take care of repetitive work - automation is useful for reducing risk, impro <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:49:32] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ving standardisation, etcetera.
[2024-10-17 13:49:32] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ving standardisation, etcetera.
[2024-10-17 13:51:21] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd go further and posit that development of weapons technologies is also somewhat important - and itself exists in a grey zone. We couldn't have fought the nazis, for example, without the spitfire, hurricane, or typhoon. Or the cruiser, the cromwell, or the comet. There's an argument to be made that when a group of persons larger than yours is doing the bad, the onus is on you t <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:51:22] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| o develop a force multiplier
[2024-10-17 13:51:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd go further and posit that development of weapons technologies is also somewhat important - and itself exists in a grey zone. We couldn't have fought the nazis, for example, without the spitfire, hurricane, or typhoon. Or the cruiser, the cromwell, or the comet. There's an argument to be made that when a group of persons larger than yours is doing the bad, the onus is on you t <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 13:51:22] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| o develop a force multiplier
[2024-10-17 13:52:31] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The *people*, not the *technology*, in the majority of cases. Even in my arguments against LLMs, I'm more focused on human complacency than I am on the heuristic learning model itself
[2024-10-17 13:52:32] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The *people*, not the *technology*, in the majority of cases. Even in my arguments against LLMs, I'm more focused on human complacency than I am on the heuristic learning model itself
[2024-10-17 13:54:57] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You can end unspeakable suffering for 1000 people and in return only 1 person will have fun
[2024-10-17 13:54:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You can end unspeakable suffering for 1000 people and in return only 1 person will have fun
[2024-10-17 13:54:59] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You can make 1000 people have fun but in return 1 person will suffer unspeakably
[2024-10-17 13:54:59] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You can make 1000 people have fun but in return 1 person will suffer unspeakably
[2024-10-17 13:55:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| what'd you choose?
[2024-10-17 13:55:00] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| what'd you choose?
[2024-10-17 13:55:01] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| (just a little segue into ethics of suffering)
[2024-10-17 13:55:01] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| (just a little segue into ethics of suffering)
[2024-10-17 13:55:02] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Your argument regarding weapons is an interesting one and I well understand your logic. On some levels you are right, on some levels you aren't. There are different levels to ethics anyway
[2024-10-17 13:55:03] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Your argument regarding weapons is an interesting one and I well understand your logic. On some levels you are right, on some levels you aren't. There are different levels to ethics anyway
[2024-10-17 13:55:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| I shake your hand for being against LLMs. Wonder what arguments do you have.
[2024-10-17 13:55:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| I shake your hand for being against LLMs. Wonder what arguments do you have.
[2024-10-17 14:03:51] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Those "one or the other" arguments never really translate into real life, though. Sure, you could make the argument that the materials used to manufacture components are mined by employees in torrid conditions, but again that's a *people* problem. They could just as easily *not* be working in such unpleasantness, it falls upon those of us with the power to do something about it t <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:51] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Those "one or the other" arguments never really translate into real life, though. Sure, you could make the argument that the materials used to manufacture components are mined by employees in torrid conditions, but again that's a *people* problem. They could just as easily *not* be working in such unpleasantness, it falls upon those of us with the power to do something about it t <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:52] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| o... well, *do something* about it. And we are, to a certain degree - electronics manufacturing is very slowly being redistributed away from the Chinese-centric manufacturing that seems to have been handed to them on a silver platter throughout the 90's and 00's, and African countries are starting to take a long, hard look at the potential consequences of the Belt and Road initia <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:52] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| o... well, *do something* about it. And we are, to a certain degree - electronics manufacturing is very slowly being redistributed away from the Chinese-centric manufacturing that seems to have been handed to them on a silver platter throughout the 90's and 00's, and African countries are starting to take a long, hard look at the potential consequences of the Belt and Road initia <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:53] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| tive. Other NGOs are starting to make efforts in decontaminating and replanting areas in poorer countries that have been impacted by unfettered stripping of resources. It's a slow change, but it *is* a change - and one for the better.
[2024-10-17 14:03:53] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| tive. Other NGOs are starting to make efforts in decontaminating and replanting areas in poorer countries that have been impacted by unfettered stripping of resources. It's a slow change, but it *is* a change - and one for the better.
[2024-10-17 14:03:54] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| But back to that point about *people* problems - this is something that technology has actually proven to assist with. Discussions, like the one we are having now, have brought the controversies of governments during the past few decades well into the public sphere, and thats largely thanks to huge discussion platforms, like reddit or tumblr or mastodon. Even tiktok, which I desp <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:54] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| But back to that point about *people* problems - this is something that technology has actually proven to assist with. Discussions, like the one we are having now, have brought the controversies of governments during the past few decades well into the public sphere, and thats largely thanks to huge discussion platforms, like reddit or tumblr or mastodon. Even tiktok, which I desp <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:03:55] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ise for it's thin veil over hostile government control, has brought global issues to light that have hsitocrically been perpetuated by the same leaderships we believed in. Harder questions are being asked of state entities. 
[2024-10-17 14:03:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| ise for it's thin veil over hostile government control, has brought global issues to light that have hsitocrically been perpetuated by the same leaderships we believed in. Harder questions are being asked of state entities. 
[2024-10-17 14:03:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| None of that could have been achieved without the presence of advanced technology - which has both helped *and* hindered.
[2024-10-17 14:03:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| None of that could have been achieved without the presence of advanced technology - which has both helped *and* hindered.
[2024-10-17 14:14:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Those "one or the other" arguments are generalized models suited to test/understand core principles, like the ones we have in physics or maths.
[2024-10-17 14:14:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Those "one or the other" arguments are generalized models suited to test/understand core principles, like the ones we have in physics or maths.
[2024-10-17 14:14:46] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You're right that there is a lot of *people* problem and they deserve much more attention than they have. Can't argue with this! Good change is better than no change.
[2024-10-17 14:14:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| You're right that there is a lot of *people* problem and they deserve much more attention than they have. Can't argue with this! Good change is better than no change.
[2024-10-17 14:14:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| As for technology - well sure, it does good and it does bad, and anyone's perception of it depends greatly on what they deem more important. History will tell who was right. Discussions are important indeed, at least people will stop to consider whether progress should not be taken as a predestined process over which we have no degree of control. Oh, tiktok. Even where I live it' <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:14:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| As for technology - well sure, it does good and it does bad, and anyone's perception of it depends greatly on what they deem more important. History will tell who was right. Discussions are important indeed, at least people will stop to consider whether progress should not be taken as a predestined process over which we have no degree of control. Oh, tiktok. Even where I live it' <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:14:48] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| s prevalent. It's depressing to see all these people scroll on it during bus rides. Most of the reels they see bear nothing of value. Even reddit would be time better spent
[2024-10-17 14:14:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| s prevalent. It's depressing to see all these people scroll on it during bus rides. Most of the reels they see bear nothing of value. Even reddit would be time better spent
[2024-10-17 14:14:49] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| But i digress. Advanced technology does help and does hinder, but what is its ultimate _goal_? Technological progress inevitably has some direction, and therefore some _vision_ of what it is meaning our life to be like. I see some aspects of technology and they make me hopeful. I see others - and they make me feel hopeless. And the asymmetry between the suffering technology can b <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:14:50] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| But i digress. Advanced technology does help and does hinder, but what is its ultimate _goal_? Technological progress inevitably has some direction, and therefore some _vision_ of what it is meaning our life to be like. I see some aspects of technology and they make me hopeful. I see others - and they make me feel hopeless. And the asymmetry between the suffering technology can b <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:14:51] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ring versus the goods it may give forces me to side with the pessimists.
[2024-10-17 14:14:51] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ring versus the goods it may give forces me to side with the pessimists.
[2024-10-17 14:15:09] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'm sorry for hijacking this chat with my ramblings ^^
[2024-10-17 14:15:09] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'm sorry for hijacking this chat with my ramblings ^^
[2024-10-17 14:16:00] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i have to exercise and i keep trying to postpone lol
[2024-10-17 14:16:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i have to exercise and i keep trying to postpone lol
[2024-10-17 14:19:37] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The problem with "one or the other" scenarios is that they are suited for *data* - which is fixed. Humans, though, aren't numerical in nature. We are fundamentally *illogical* creatures, operating on individual experience and emotion. Nuance is key to almost every decision we make, and as a result, those sorts of questions simply don't make any sense imo. 
[2024-10-17 14:19:37] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| The problem with "one or the other" scenarios is that they are suited for *data* - which is fixed. Humans, though, aren't numerical in nature. We are fundamentally *illogical* creatures, operating on individual experience and emotion. Nuance is key to almost every decision we make, and as a result, those sorts of questions simply don't make any sense imo. 
[2024-10-17 14:19:38] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| An easier perspective is soemthing like automated matchmaking. Gaijin Entertainment have been lauding their matchmaker system for years now - but ask any War Thunder player (including myself), and they'll tell you that they usually have a terrible and terribly inconsistent experience with it. Laserpig actually did a bit of a monologue on this a couple weeks ago, and not long ther <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:19:38] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| An easier perspective is soemthing like automated matchmaking. Gaijin Entertainment have been lauding their matchmaker system for years now - but ask any War Thunder player (including myself), and they'll tell you that they usually have a terrible and terribly inconsistent experience with it. Laserpig actually did a bit of a monologue on this a couple weeks ago, and not long ther <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:19:39] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eafter I saw a talk from an advertising and marketing exec that spoke to the same concepts. No matter how much you attempt to categorise humanity, you will inevitably end up with a significant margin of error.
[2024-10-17 14:19:39] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eafter I saw a talk from an advertising and marketing exec that spoke to the same concepts. No matter how much you attempt to categorise humanity, you will inevitably end up with a significant margin of error.
[2024-10-17 14:20:50] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| uh, whoops, forgot to exand on the matchmaker thing. Gaijin's matchmaker is based on a huge number of datapoints regarding experience and skill, with the intention of relatively balancing out ability and capability in-game. It does a woeful job at it.
[2024-10-17 14:20:50] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| uh, whoops, forgot to exand on the matchmaker thing. Gaijin's matchmaker is based on a huge number of datapoints regarding experience and skill, with the intention of relatively balancing out ability and capability in-game. It does a woeful job at it.
[2024-10-17 14:24:21] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| If we disallow ourselves to use these simple "models of ethics", how are we supposed to find, discuss or research the generalized principles of it? Placing too much attention on details hinders making sense of core abstractions, such as _suffering_ or _joy_. It's like failing to see the forest for the trees. It's like saying "nonono, you shouldn't think of a molecule as a solar-s <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:24:21] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| If we disallow ourselves to use these simple "models of ethics", how are we supposed to find, discuss or research the generalized principles of it? Placing too much attention on details hinders making sense of core abstractions, such as _suffering_ or _joy_. It's like failing to see the forest for the trees. It's like saying "nonono, you shouldn't think of a molecule as a solar-s <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:24:21] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ystem-like mechanism, drop this mental image of yours because quarks clouds quantum foam strange matter muon glon"
[2024-10-17 14:24:22] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| ystem-like mechanism, drop this mental image of yours because quarks clouds quantum foam strange matter muon glon"
[2024-10-17 14:25:19] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| since Armagetron is one of perhaps ten games I've ever played, I have no choice but just trust you with this 😄
[2024-10-17 14:25:19] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| since Armagetron is one of perhaps ten games I've ever played, I have no choice but just trust you with this 😄
[2024-10-17 14:31:02] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Which brings me to my next point ..dony trust anybody lol
[2024-10-17 14:31:02] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Which brings me to my next point ..dony trust anybody lol
[2024-10-17 14:33:17] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'd not go that far!
[2024-10-17 14:33:18] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'd not go that far!
[2024-10-17 14:35:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd argue that to not look into nuances within ethics is, itself, unethical. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I'd argue that to not look into nuances within ethics is, itself, unethical. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:23] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| France had quite the hullabaloo around a decade ago when they legislated against the wearing of the hijab. We here could very well argue that the Hijab is a symbol of the oppression of women across the world, led notably by Islam but also in no small part by Christianity and other religions. However, a not insignificant number of women were wholly against this legislation, arguin <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:35:23] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| France had quite the hullabaloo around a decade ago when they legislated against the wearing of the hijab. We here could very well argue that the Hijab is a symbol of the oppression of women across the world, led notably by Islam but also in no small part by Christianity and other religions. However, a not insignificant number of women were wholly against this legislation, arguin <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:35:24] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| g that, in their eyes, a hijab was part of their identity - and to legally prevent them from wearing it was akin to stripping them of part of their character proper. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:25] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| g that, in their eyes, a hijab was part of their identity - and to legally prevent them from wearing it was akin to stripping them of part of their character proper. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:26] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| France isn't the only nation to contend with this idea - IIRC it was debated in the House of Commons here in England too. Yet more countries *mandate* the hijab. So where should the foundational argument lie? In a very real sense, the hijab is indeed a symbol of oppression, and yet for those women who argued against it, forbidding it was yet another example of their own choices b <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:35:26] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| France isn't the only nation to contend with this idea - IIRC it was debated in the House of Commons here in England too. Yet more countries *mandate* the hijab. So where should the foundational argument lie? In a very real sense, the hijab is indeed a symbol of oppression, and yet for those women who argued against it, forbidding it was yet another example of their own choices b <clipped message>
[2024-10-17 14:35:27] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eing taken from them by (in part) men. That's in despite of the intention of the legislation being to prevent the *forcible* wearing of the hijab.
[2024-10-17 14:35:27] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| eing taken from them by (in part) men. That's in despite of the intention of the legislation being to prevent the *forcible* wearing of the hijab.
[2024-10-17 14:35:28] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Therein lies the nuance - in some respects it is detestable, in others it is to be celebrated. In yet more, it is a useful piece of clothing and nothing else. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:28] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Therein lies the nuance - in some respects it is detestable, in others it is to be celebrated. In yet more, it is a useful piece of clothing and nothing else. 
[2024-10-17 14:35:30] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| There's also the impact of culture on ethics - an ethical proposition in one culture may be a horrendously unethical proposal in another. Again, we are illogical creatures - so foundations themselves must recognise and embrace nuance.
[2024-10-17 14:35:30] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| There's also the impact of culture on ethics - an ethical proposition in one culture may be a horrendously unethical proposal in another. Again, we are illogical creatures - so foundations themselves must recognise and embrace nuance.
[2024-10-17 14:44:15] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| > I'd argue that to not look into nuances within ethics is, itself, unethical
[2024-10-17 14:44:15] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| > I'd argue that to not look into nuances within ethics is, itself, unethical
[2024-10-17 14:44:16] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Or, maybe, we could have the best of both worlds and take into account both the general picture _and_ the details, each where appropriate. Why do you think anecdotal evidence isn't considered to be conclusive in any serious field? But at the same time, without anecdotes/case studies any field would've been incomplete.
[2024-10-17 14:44:16] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Or, maybe, we could have the best of both worlds and take into account both the general picture _and_ the details, each where appropriate. Why do you think anecdotal evidence isn't considered to be conclusive in any serious field? But at the same time, without anecdotes/case studies any field would've been incomplete.
[2024-10-17 14:44:17] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Hijab is a pretty controversial and loaded case indeed, so very fitting when the talk is about nuance. (In my country, it's been a hot topic recently too, and if I remember correctly the decision was to ban niqab outright, still allowing hijab except for special cases).
[2024-10-17 14:44:18] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| Hijab is a pretty controversial and loaded case indeed, so very fitting when the talk is about nuance. (In my country, it's been a hot topic recently too, and if I remember correctly the decision was to ban niqab outright, still allowing hijab except for special cases).
[2024-10-17 14:44:19] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| But I just don't see how even the most intricated cases diminish the importance of researching generalized principles.
[2024-10-17 14:44:19] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| But I just don't see how even the most intricated cases diminish the importance of researching generalized principles.
[2024-10-17 14:47:56] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't say *stop* looking at generalised principles - after all, we can all probably agree on a few things, like famine and shit being bad (actually fuck now thats got me playing devil's advocate, but I digress). I just posit that when considering generalisation, one must also consider the possible outlying principles that may interact with the general theorem too. 
[2024-10-17 14:47:56] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| I wouldn't say *stop* looking at generalised principles - after all, we can all probably agree on a few things, like famine and shit being bad (actually fuck now thats got me playing devil's advocate, but I digress). I just posit that when considering generalisation, one must also consider the possible outlying principles that may interact with the general theorem too. 
[2024-10-17 14:47:57] <armagetron-bridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hell, if we don't then that itself can result in a pretty shit go of it. Political extremists exploit this all the time.
[2024-10-17 14:47:57] <armagetronbridge> 04discord:spoopy delinquent| Hell, if we don't then that itself can result in a pretty shit go of it. Political extremists exploit this all the time.
[2024-10-17 14:53:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| guess we've found some commong ground here then
[2024-10-17 14:53:11] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| guess we've found some commong ground here then
[2024-10-17 14:53:59] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'm all for holistic approach at the end of the day
[2024-10-17 14:54:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:kitkat_365| i'm all for holistic approach at the end of the day
[2024-10-17 15:26:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Hell I ain't even done turning my sticks into charcoal yet and y'all done found a middle ground lol
[2024-10-17 15:26:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Hell I ain't even done turning my sticks into charcoal yet and y'all done found a middle ground lol
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[2024-10-17 19:56:17] <kyle-ct> delinquent, First thing I see different is we would have the database keep track of the maps that had been played and then we had it select them randomly from the DB rather than fetching all and then selecting from that set, (I think I even did that in the tourney setup)
[2024-10-17 19:56:17] <armagetronbridge> 07irc:kyle-ct| delinquent, First thing I see different is we would have the database keep track of the maps that had been played and then we had it select them randomly from the DB rather than fetching all and then selecting from that set, (I think I even did that in the tourney setup)
[2024-10-17 19:56:56] <kyle-ct> that was why for the tournament I had to register servers, so that I could keep track of the played maps
[2024-10-17 19:56:56] <armagetronbridge> 07irc:kyle-ct| that was why for the tournament I had to register servers, so that I could keep track of the played maps
[2024-10-17 19:57:59] <kyle-ct> now I will say, originally ed had a bug in the randomization, where I was able to always predict the next map :)
[2024-10-17 19:57:59] <armagetronbridge> 07irc:kyle-ct| now I will say, originally ed had a bug in the randomization, where I was able to always predict the next map :)
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