Log from 2007-05-25:
--- Day changed Fri May 25 2007
00:00 <vinavil> i supposed
00:00 <vinavil> hehe
00:00 <vinavil> #weather ghableska
00:00 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "ghableska".
00:00 <vinavil> #weather vinavil
00:01 <armabot> vinavil: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "vinavil".
00:02 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska
00:02 <Vanhayes> #tea
00:02 <Vanhayes> #ping
00:02 <armabot> pong
00:03 <ghableska> heh
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: timed out
00:03 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: No online players.
00:04 <Vanhayes> wow, long time outs
00:06 <vinavil> yesterday i ran armagetron on x. it is so smooth
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> yay, finally got the cheesy kdm themes turned off
00:06 <Lucifer_arma> brb
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00:10 <vinavil> max, come to FTS :)
00:16 <madmax|pt> can't right now...
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00:18 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr_ luke-jr_work GodTodd, anyone else who plays, Civ?
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00:29 <Vanhayes> so no one for civ then?
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00:33 <Lucifer_arma> I've sworn off freeciv
00:33 <Vanhayes> why?
00:33 <Lucifer_arma> maybe by doing so I'll be more motivated to write my own civ game :)
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00:56 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: not at work
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> fine, I give up
00:59 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how I can allow xdmcp logins?
01:06 <vinavil> sumo with 0 rubber in Fortress Test Server!
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01:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: maybe
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01:40 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
01:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: disabled
01:45 <luke-jr_> lol
01:45 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: cheezy kdm themes?
01:45 <Lucifer_bed> yeah, the default kubuntu theme, the default mandriva theme
01:45 <Lucifer_bed> they're *so* annoying
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01:46 <_Sticky_> default kubuntu is quite nice
01:47 <luke-jr_> ah
01:47 <luke-jr_> I know the guy who wrote the theme interface :p
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01:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: XDMCP
01:49 <luke-jr_> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/browser/trunk/tightvnc.txt
01:49 <luke-jr_> I believe what you need is in there
01:50 <Lucifer_bed> ummm, what does tightvnc have to do with xdmcp?
01:50 <luke-jr_> it uses XDMCP to provide the login screen
01:50 <luke-jr_> each VNC connection spawns a login display
01:51 <luke-jr_> part of that likely covers the config stuff you want
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01:52 <luke-jr_> hi Spider
01:52 <Spider> yo
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01:53 <Your_mom_arma> haha
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02:08 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:08 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (7:04 PM CDT on May 24, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 48.2°F. Pressure: 29.18 in 988.0 hPa (Falling).
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I think I'm done logging in and out for now
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: that txt file did contain what I needed, thanks
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> so now I can xdmcp to my other machine to manage money, if only I had a money manager to put on there (wine wouldn't install quicken and gnucash and kmymoney2 are sucky)
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02:46 <ghableska> #tea
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: Fortress Café: No online players.
02:46 <ghableska> #armaservers
02:46 <armabot> ghableska: disabled
02:46 <ghableska> o_O
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02:49 <TheEmo> ach!
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02:49 <ghableska>
02:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: :)
02:50 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if you *do* happen to find a good Free money manager, please let me know
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02:55 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
02:55 <armabot> pong
02:56 <vinavil> is the cycle_width usable?
03:02 <vinavil> Warning in void rec_peer(unsigned int) in network/nNetwork.cpp:2050 :
03:02 <vinavil> Oversized network packet recived. Read buffer has been enlarged to catch it the next time.
03:02 <vinavil> ---
03:02 <vinavil> i got this while playing. normal?
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03:16 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: how about I stop working on acme and work on dave's stupid budget program instead?
03:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: heh, you plan to have it meet my needs too? ;)
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.getrichslowly.org/forms/GRS%20Budget%20Sheet.xls found this yesterday
03:18 <luke-jr_> I'm not getting rich anytime soon
03:19 <luke-jr_> got a whopping $200k expense in about a month
03:19 <luke-jr_> anyhow, that's just budget
03:24 <luke-jr_> and it doesn't work in KSpread very well
03:25 <Your_mom_arma> it worked well in open office, which I assume is what it was made in
03:25 <luke-jr_> why would you assume anything but Excel?
03:26 <luke-jr_> if it was made in OO.o, it would be .ods
03:27 <luke-jr_> my new budget requires an $87k salary
03:28 <luke-jr_> good thing the interview I just finished went well
03:28 <luke-jr_> I'm asking $100k from them
03:28 <luke-jr_> but it's in Phoenix, which isn't overly high on the list
03:30 * GodTodd notes luke-jr_ must not know much if he thinks an OO.o spreadsheet *has* to be ods...
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03:40 * luke-jr_ notes that if it were anything but .ods still, it would be just as bad as .xls
03:42 * GodTodd notes that preferable or not, you can easily save a calc spreadsheet as .xls
03:45 <luke-jr_> but someone who uses it isn't likely to
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03:53 <GodTodd> luke-jr_: likely wasn't what you said, though....you said "it would be .ods" and all i was saying was that's not necessarily true
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03:58 <TheEmo> Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?
03:58 <TheEmo>
03:58 <TheEmo> .
03:58 <TheEmo> ..
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04:17 <ghableska> #lastseen feather
04:17 <armabot> ghableska: featherfcuk has last been seen on 0 Rubber Sumo! 0 days 2 hours 13 minutes ago.
04:27 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: you'll need to learn some python :)
04:27 <luke-jr_> why? I already know python
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04:49 <ghableska> #nifgt
04:49 <ghableska> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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06:16 <epsy> hi
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06:19 <epsy> #realchatlogs
06:19 <armabot> epsy: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
06:22 <epsy> #m mkzelda « 22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him? »
06:22 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m mkzelda we should simply make a better kick menu, i'ill show you what it could look like
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m vinavil « 22:32 <madmax|pt> well, there's only one kick menu. if there's a player that's not new, but decides to kill everyone, how would we *really* kick him? »
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:23 <epsy> #m vinavil we should simply make a better kick menu, i'ill show you what it could look like
06:23 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> `:-|
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> #m epsy patches welcome
06:28 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> now I want to be able to connect to an existing login on another machine from this one
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> without vnc
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> because vnc is too damn slow
06:33 <epsy> are hacky patches welcome ? :o)
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> depends on whether or not you're making an honest attempt to solve the problem :)
06:34 <epsy> lol
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. if it's just a way to say "Well, I tried, but y'all will have to do better, and I'm going to hold it against you util you do", then don't waste y/our time with it
06:36 <epsy> i see
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07:06 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: can you install this on the forums?
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: http://recaptcha.net/resources.html
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so we can help digitize books :)
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> also, the wiki when you get it running in its new home
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07:18 <MrBougo> hello
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08:07 <wrtlprnft> #later tell vinavil thanks :)
08:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> CREATE TABLE accounts (
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with that?!?!?
08:30 <wrtlprnft> IIRC you put the PRIMARY KEY statement towards the bottom of the query
08:31 <wrtlprnft> ( id INTEGER 10 AUTO_INCREMENT, PRIMARY KEY id ) or something like that
08:31 <wrtlprnft> need to go, school
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's by convention
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I figured it out. VARCHAR (200) needs a space between the R and the (, and the error message was misleading
08:32 <wrtlprnft> :)
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09:35 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: what is it?
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> captcha
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> it gives you two words, one the server knows about
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> the other is from a scanned book
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> if you're right on the first word, it assumes the second is right too
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> so while people fill out captchas, they're helping to digitize books :)
09:37 <guru3> hmmm
09:37 <guru3> it might be possible to do on the wiki
09:37 <guru3> i'm not sure about the forums
09:37 <guru3> btw what version of php for the wiki?
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> the page I linked has phpBB and mediawiki plugins
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it matters, but it might. If it matters, it's php 5
09:38 <guru3> ok
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> I can't remember if mediawiki married php 5 or mysql 5
09:39 <guru3> ok because i know the forums can't live without php 4
09:39 <guru3> unless i wanted to entirely reinstall them from scratch
09:44 <guru3> lucifer, got time in about half an hour to 45 minutes to disable the wiki and force a db backup?
09:44 <guru3> because that's how long breakfast will take and then i'll be able to set the new one up after that
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> if you promise to do it after that, I'll just do it right now
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'm goig to bed at any minute ;)
09:45 <guru3> i shall
09:45 <guru3> the big kicker will be DNS of course
09:45 <guru3> but i'll do it right after
09:45 <guru3> it's raining so i wont be going off to the library
09:48 <guru3> just leave the backup for the db where i can find it on the server :>
09:48 <guru3> i'm off now
09:48 <guru3> (or i won't get to eat)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> the two files on the server are in /www/wiki
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> one of them is still compressing, it's the images directory which contains all user uploads
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> to make sure it's finished, just ls -l it a few times until the size stops changing :)
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, it just finished
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> alternately, here's a pm with download links
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, ssh will often copy faster than http, and one of those files is 50MB or so
10:16 <guru3> ok
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10:21 <Lucifer_arma> wow, georgetown is going to flood
10:23 <guru3> svn for the wiki
10:24 <guru3> is that supposed to be everything?
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's just our own stuff
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> svn from mediawiki
10:24 * Lucifer_arma goes to dig up a link
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I think I had 1.9.2 installed last
10:27 <guru3> ok
10:31 <guru3> wow this is giving me a hell of a time
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> time to download?
10:32 <guru3> the svn uri on the mediawiki wiki doesn't work
10:32 <guru3> svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_9_2/phase3
10:32 <guru3> url does not exist
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> s/branches/tags
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> or make it REL1_2
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> 1_9
10:33 <guru3> see if that works then
10:34 <guru3> oh it is
10:35 <DrJoeTron> heya
10:35 <DrJoeTron> #m mkzelda sweet, thanks :)
10:35 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <guru3> can you do a svn checkout on top of an svn checkout? Oo
10:36 <DrJoeTron> #m GodTodd WHY DONT YOU GO BACK TO THE WORTHLESS HOLE YOU CAME FROM GOD I CANT STAND YOU JEEZ
10:36 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The operation succeeded.
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> I dn't know :/
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> I've had interesting issues with it in the past
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd and DrJoeTron (hi there!) recently have a spat?
10:37 <DrJoeTron> <armabot> Sent 13 hours and 24 minutes ago: <GodTodd> FUCKER!!!111111111111!!!!OneONEone!!!!!
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> I just noticed you guys are always talking trash at each other
10:37 <DrJoeTron> >:I You want some too!?
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> some spoken garbage?
10:37 <DrJoeTron> we had a rough night together :/
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> forgot the ky?
10:38 <DrJoeTron> he used sandpaper
10:38 <DrJoeTron> and said April Fools!
10:38 <DrJoeTron> its may :/
10:40 <DrJoeTron> i think I'm about done with desktop earth
10:40 <DrJoeTron> I'm going to make a backround
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.annsummers.com/single.asp?gid=7%20&cat=2&pid=4294&QSI=225bacfe-5776-4a1f-8de1-f54ff47df5bf
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11:31 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/testbach.jpg
11:32 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd I KNOW YOU'RE THERE
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11:45 <Stempo> *whistles* 2:46am on a Friday... wow
11:45 <madmax|pt> x_x
11:46 <Stempo> morning max xD
11:46 <Stempo> I think
11:46 <Stempo> it's morning right?
11:47 <madmax|pt> yep
11:47 <Stempo> what time is it?
11:47 <Stempo> for you
11:47 <madmax|pt> 10:49
11:47 <Stempo> O.O
11:48 <Stempo> that sounds nice
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12:46 <guru3> moving the wiki... so _not_ plug & play
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13:05 <P4> wrtlprnft: are you here
13:05 <P4> can you come to styball? there's some strange behaviour
13:06 <P4> i don't know if it's lag but the wall doesn't works all the time ;P
13:53 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> note that there's always been some strangeness in single player games
13:57 <P4> no no i was playing with lulejko
13:57 <P4> it was like huge lag jumps with strange wall behaviour...
13:58 <P4> but now it's ok i think :}
13:58 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
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16:57 <epsy> hi
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17:53 <philippeqc> hi!
17:54 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: beside the wrong side of the zone (in branch for v2), and the "zone explode rather than shrink", what else did you observe?
17:54 <epsy> hay philippeqc
17:54 <philippeqc> hello epsy
18:00 <philippeqc> finally the week-end
18:00 <epsy> yeah
18:00 <epsy> waited for that one
18:00 <philippeqc> i'm gonna eat such fine food!
18:00 <philippeqc> I have a peice of hanged beef
18:01 <philippeqc> and one of beef filet
18:01 <epsy> :) ^^
18:01 * epsy eats kow for dinner
18:01 * philippeqc is eating tortilla with salsa, doritos and red wine atm
18:01 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: sometimes they wouldn't rotate
18:02 <wrtlprnft> or neither shrink nor explode
18:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: the rotate code isnt connected yet beside a constant factor IIRC
18:03 <wrtlprnft> well, sometimes they rotated, and IIRC they sometimes accelerated their rotation, too
18:03 <philippeqc> have you observed anything that I should address before moving my code to the trunk
18:05 <wrtlprnft> i'd say go ahead if you have time for the next few days to fix problems
18:05 <philippeqc> that long!
18:05 <wrtlprnft> I won't be here, for the next two weeks, though
18:05 <wrtlprnft> no, not 48 hours of coding
18:05 <wrtlprnft> just to fix problems if they emerge
18:06 <philippeqc> o ok
18:06 <philippeqc> that i think can manage
18:06 <philippeqc> whereare you goig
18:06 <epsy> yay! the msn server at paris just crashed!
18:07 <philippeqc> epsy: are the german attacking?
18:07 <philippeqc> why do they always have to pick on Paris!
18:10 <epsy> philippeqc, il y a juste un orage...evidemment c'est MS qui y passe ^^
18:11 <philippeqc> MS windows crashe pas, il fait seulement un arret d'urgence pour cause metereologique sous forme d'un ecran bleu de la mort
18:13 <luke-jr_work> CRASH
18:13 <luke-jr_work> :p
18:13 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what was the verdict on [a-z]Values?
18:13 <philippeqc> hi luke
18:15 <luke-jr_work> hi
18:16 <philippeqc> congrats on the work (many seasons late)
18:16 <luke-jr_work> ???
18:16 <wrtlprnft> [a-z] valies?
18:16 <philippeqc> last news i had from you, you where still searching for work
18:16 <wrtlprnft> *values
18:16 <luke-jr_work> o
18:16 <luke-jr_work> so the one I'm about to quit? :p
18:17 <philippeqc> [a-z]Value? yes, might be t or v, I havent followed too closely
18:17 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:17 <luke-jr_work> [tv]Value :p
18:17 <philippeqc> luke: yeah, what you changing to
18:17 <wrtlprnft> don't remember, really
18:17 <philippeqc> oki
18:17 <wrtlprnft> i think Lucifer_arma suggested reverting to tValue
18:18 <philippeqc> I'll default shapes on tFunctions in the meanwhile
18:18 * luke-jr_work notes the main diff between t and v Value was organizing the files
18:18 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: dunno yet
18:18 <philippeqc> oooo, that type of quitting!
18:19 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:19 <luke-jr_work> assuming they won't keep me on if I'm 300 miles away
18:20 <philippeqc> planning to, but havent found the replacement yet
18:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://maps.google.de/maps?q=rimini,+italy&ie=UTF8&ll=44.037716,12.616526&spn=0.002545,0.005021&t=h&z=18&om=1
18:20 <wrtlprnft> is where i'm going
18:20 * epsy sneds a bomb there
18:20 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: I'm moving
18:20 <philippeqc> o ok
18:22 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: Italy! Nice, vacation, school, {girl|boy}friend?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> vacation
18:22 * wrtlprnft is NOT gay.
18:22 <epsy> :D
18:23 * epsy culdn't resist putting a smiley there
18:23 * luke-jr_work notes wrtlprnft is male
18:23 <epsy> *ou
18:23 <philippeqc> I dont even have a confirmation of your gender, For all I know your a girl who decided to pass as a guy to avoid the "yes i'm a really good programmer AND a girl, could you please get over it"
18:24 <luke-jr_work> LOL
18:25 <philippeqc> and why should I get offended by your choice? There are so many real problems in the world, we dont need artificial ones.
18:25 <epsy> xD
18:26 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:26 <wrtlprnft> so i also picked a male username=
18:26 <wrtlprnft> *?
18:26 <wrtlprnft> i must be a REALLY smart girl
18:26 <luke-jr_work> how the crap is wrtlprnft male or female?
18:27 <luke-jr_work> the name, I mean
18:27 <philippeqc> well, the male user name thing is debatable for you, but yes, to cover your story, thats what you'd do.
18:27 * wrtlprnft isn't talking about the name wrtlprnft
18:27 <luke-jr_work> you know, to even suspect this makes me wonder if philippeqc is describing his own actions
18:27 <wrtlprnft> like when i post console output or join a server with a freshly compiled client it says „mathias”
18:28 <philippeqc> its the t. T in german is usual ending of male names, and k is normally female, like "a" is normally female in english and most latin language
18:28 <kidanger> #serverinfo 0 rubber sumo
18:28 <armabot> kidanger: 0 Rubber Sumo!: No online players.
18:28 <luke-jr_work> oh, the IRC "real name"
18:28 <kidanger> Who has this server ?
18:28 <luke-jr_work> #serverinfo -v 0 rubber sumo
18:28 <philippeqc> o yeah, IRC "real name" nobody ever cheat on that one!
18:28 <armabot> luke-jr_work: 0 Rubber Sumo! (88.198.22.100:4536) running 0.2.8_alpha20070517 unix dedic, Description: ““, No online players.
18:29 * wrtlprnft notes his irc real name is unset
18:29 <luke-jr_work> 100.22.198.88.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR wrtlprnft.servegame.org.
18:29 <philippeqc> finger wrtlprnft
18:29 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: we just went over this; wrtlprnft is male
18:29 <philippeqc> no, the finger command
18:30 <wrtlprnft> go away from my boobs!
18:30 <wrtlprnft> oops.
18:30 <philippeqc> lol
18:30 <philippeqc> Anyway, long story short is a phrase that dates back since before the war.
18:33 * philippeqc whishes wrt a good vacation, irrelevantly of the type of swimsuit weared at the beach
18:33 <wrtlprnft> thanks
18:33 <wrtlprnft> will still be here all of tomorrow
18:33 <philippeqc> ok
18:36 <philippeqc> biggest 3 advises to give to a traveler:
18:36 <philippeqc> a) uses protection, b) uses protection, c) uses protection
18:36 <wrtlprnft> 3 spell it “advice” :D
18:37 <philippeqc> a) Sun tan lotion!
18:37 <philippeqc> b) should you decide to drink alcool, drink lots of water and have a friend what over you
18:38 <philippeqc> c) should you decide to engage in some.... hummm... bed chamber olympics... yeah.... dont forget protection
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18:38 <wrtlprnft> i'll try to remember :D
18:39 <philippeqc> o, I can guaranty its going to hurt should you forget any of them!
18:39 <wrtlprnft> especially the last one, should I prove to be female
18:40 <philippeqc> lol
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18:45 <philippeqc> well, you would have ~40 weeks to learn yoga very good, but a full body sun-burn strikes overnight
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19:00 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: sun tan lotion is bad
19:00 <philippeqc> ??? why is it ???
19:01 <luke-jr_work> I don't know the details; most have some chemical that can be harmful
19:01 <luke-jr_work> #c is just plain evil
19:05 <philippeqc> heard those stories in the 80's. I guess now either they changed the active chemical, or that the chance and danger of exposition to sun is superiror to that of said chemical
19:05 <philippeqc> we talked about c already, you know where I stand, I know where you stand. What are you hoping to accomplish now?
19:06 <luke-jr_work> I don't "stand" anywhere
19:06 <luke-jr_work> I just accept reality how it is
19:07 * luke-jr_work notes in the US, most people don't get *enough* sun exposure
19:08 <philippeqc> This is where you expect me to chime "So you've accepted the big-band and evolution as probable theories, and such and such...?"
19:08 <wrtlprnft> *insert comment about US ≠ rest of the world here*
19:08 <luke-jr_work> they're not probable theories
19:09 <luke-jr_work> they're disproven by science and only held by atheists on faith
19:09 <wrtlprnft> anyways, all i know is that it's too much and hurts if you are out in the italian sun for an entire day w/o protection
19:09 <philippeqc> in sweden too. Worse are most muslim women. Sweden has low level of solar radiation, and they weird long veils, reducing greatly how much light they receive.
19:10 <luke-jr_work> umbrellas are safe :)
19:10 <wrtlprnft> not even those.
19:11 <wrtlprnft> it's still a lot for an entire day out. I probably wouldn't get a sunburn, but i know people who would
19:11 <luke-jr_work> ?
19:12 <wrtlprnft> have you ever wondered why it's not pitch black in the shadow of an umbrella?
19:13 <wrtlprnft> hint: stuff like sand does reflect light, including UV light
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19:15 <luke-jr_work> well, avoid sand then
19:19 <philippeqc> luke, I simply cannot accept you position that God is a deceiving liyer. Why do you go out of your way to imagine him creating a 42billion light year wide universe, filling all the void with light AS IF IT CAME FROM STARS FROM A GEAT DISTANCE, then going around creating the earth, then layering sediments over sediments, folding them together in some case, filling them with fossiles AS IF THE EARTH HAD EXISTED SINCE 4.5 BILLION
19:19 <philippeqc> YEAR, AND HAD BEEN SUBJECTED TO EROSION PROCESS EVER SINCE, WITH CONTINENT MOVING AROUND LIFTING ONCE UNDER SEA MATERIAL? This is what I cant understand from your argumentation. Why would an all powerfull God resort to cheap Movie Effects, creating a parody of a world, then let us loose there, asking us to admire at his creation, if said creating is but a vague parodie of itself, when he could have done it the simple way. Sna
19:19 <philippeqc> p his finger, big-bang.... then simply letting it unroll.
19:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: THAT's why you guys don't get enough sun exposure
19:19 <wrtlprnft> you don't get any notable amount in a car, by the way
19:20 <wrtlprnft> or through any other glass object, for that matter
19:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you can't argue with the guys who believe that, at least not in that way. They'll just tell you that god has reasons we can't ever understand and ignore you
19:24 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: but even to take that position, you have to accept that God is a deceiver, and doesnt want you to explore his creation, while you have to still stand that He wants you to explore!
19:25 <philippeqc> Even with good reason, that makes God one heck of a lyier and deciver.
19:25 <philippeqc> And He is supposed to stand agains those values
19:29 <philippeqc> O, and it still forces God to use cheap tricks, a semi-all powerfull kind of one, rather than to give Him all the greatness and see that he could actually plan something from he start, 15 trillion year ago, and just let it unroll
19:32 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: whether or not you accept the lifetime of the Earth, the big bang/evolution is still disproven as a possibility
19:32 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: also, the sediments were all caused by volcanos and the Flood
19:33 <luke-jr_work> all of those things are naturally occuring at very rapid rates
19:33 * wrtlprnft is still wondered how this noah guy got off mount everest
19:33 <philippeqc> that explains the ones that are under 6000 years, what about the ones before that
19:33 <wrtlprnft> *wonders
19:33 <luke-jr_work> it wasn't Everest in the first place
19:33 <luke-jr_work> Ararat
19:33 <wrtlprnft> whatever
19:33 <philippeqc> disproven by who?
19:33 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: reputable scientists
19:34 <philippeqc> the bible has been disproven, you accepted it?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and how many reputable scientists are proving the opposite?
19:34 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: the sediment layers are dated by the contents and the contents by the layers; circular logic
19:34 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: the Bible cannot be disproven
19:34 <wrtlprnft> next thing he's going to tell us is that π=3
19:34 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: none
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and that reputable scientists have proven that as well
19:34 <luke-jr_work> except perhaps those who haven't researched the topic
19:34 <wrtlprnft> all that 3.141 crap is wrong
19:34 <philippeqc> carbon dating is good up to 250 000 year. That place it before any flood
19:35 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: you're referring to the non-circular thing?
19:35 <philippeqc> before that, you use uranium/lead dating
19:35 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: carbon dating is based on a bunch of incorrect assumptions
19:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't have the quote, but i read it somewhere
19:35 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: the problem is they assume the measurements are meant to be a circle
19:35 * wrtlprnft thinks that carbon dating sounds more plausible than a piece of paper
19:36 <philippeqc> the Bible is a book. Very important in the heart of many, yet mundane in its origin and distribution.
19:36 <luke-jr_work> the Bible is an infallible book
19:36 <philippeqc> O is it?
19:37 <luke-jr_work> indeed
19:37 <luke-jr_work> as are many catechisms
19:37 <luke-jr_work> and documents produced by Church councils
19:38 * philippeqc enjoys the fact that for an infallible book, many people holding this position point to the other as being the mislead sheep
19:38 <luke-jr_work> hm?
19:39 <wrtlprnft> (rough translation from german): „And he made the ocean, cast, from one border to the other 10 <obscure unit> wide all around and 5 <same obscure unit> high and a rope of 30 <same obscure unit> was the measurement all around”
19:39 <luke-jr_work> that's because heretics try to read it on their own without footnotes or guidance and misunderstand what it says
19:40 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: so where does it say that's a circle?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> same width all around
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i don't think they had the math to make any other curve of constant with with that exact length
19:41 <luke-jr_work> maybe you underestimate them?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it's not all that trival to construct one. good luck.
19:43 <wrtlprnft> and they would have explained it on more detail, anways
19:44 <wrtlprnft> if it wasn't a plain circle
19:44 <wrtlprnft> actually it's impossible to construct one in the mathematical sense.
19:44 <philippeqc> wait wat wait, the flimsiness of your argumentation finally left me
19:44 <philippeqc> how many flood where there?
19:45 <luke-jr_work> one great flood
19:45 <philippeqc> that's a great many number of sediment rock layers for a 40 days rain
19:45 <luke-jr_work> why?
19:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
19:45 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: please grab a jar
19:46 <luke-jr_work> and fill it with sand using a funnel
19:46 <philippeqc> lets assume its sufficient for one sediment layer, what about the previous one
19:46 <luke-jr_work> let me know how many layers you get
19:46 <luke-jr_work> the Flood created the vast majority of layers
19:46 <luke-jr_work> that's how they contain fossils
19:46 <luke-jr_work> fossils can only be made very quickly
19:46 <wrtlprnft> STAY AWAY FROM SUN!!!!! the sun exposure is too great
19:46 <philippeqc> cant create 2 with different creatures in them
19:46 <z-man-work> were howler monkeys involved?
19:46 <luke-jr_work> haha
19:46 <wrtlprnft> err
19:46 <wrtlprnft> STAY AWAY FROM SAND
19:47 <philippeqc> howler monkeys is a new one for me
19:47 <philippeqc> brb
19:47 <z-man-work> be glad about that.
19:47 * luke-jr_work should go see what the howler monkey says
19:47 <luke-jr_work> A howler monkey says, "Brain; q test. Spamspamspam."
19:50 <wrtlprnft> http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=sqrt%2850+-+2%2A5%2A5%2Acos%28120+degrees%29%29%2Api&btnG=Search
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that would be the circumference of a Reuleaux triangle with a circumference of 10 obscure units
19:51 <wrtlprnft> the 5-sided equivalent is probably way over 30, and anything between that is impossible to construct if you need a specific circumference
19:52 <luke-jr_work> I don't know why you're being so exact in the first place
19:53 <wrtlprnft> isn't the bible super exact and correct?
19:53 <philippeqc> I dont know why you argue about vague comment as if they where fact?
19:53 <luke-jr_work> no, it's super vague and correct
19:53 <luke-jr_work> or at least it would seem from how many misinterpretations people make up
19:54 <philippeqc> yes, thats why I tell you, the genesis is but a metaphore
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20:24 <Lucifer_arma> A howler monkey says, "The Bible tastes like ass!"
20:24 <luke-jr_work> it's not a metaphor
20:25 <philippeqc> yes it is
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> hey, today's towel day
20:26 <philippeqc> its been disproven by reputable scientists
20:26 <Lucifer_arma> towel day?
20:26 * philippeqc runs to the bath room
20:26 <luke-jr_work> philippeqc: nonsense
20:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r7262 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ignore *.pyc
20:27 * philippeqc has a towel on his shoulder. i'm ready for anything
20:27 <philippeqc> yes, that is what they said about the Genesis. So you read their text?
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20:30 <philippeqc> haaa... flood sediment, you knew its true just by looking how they are on top of mountains
20:33 <wrtlprnft> nemo is alive?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> as in “active in armagetronad”
20:33 <philippeqc> are you a boy?
20:33 <philippeqc> so many philosophical questions!
20:33 <philippeqc> ;)
20:34 <philippeqc> I havent seen him online in the short time I was playing since I'm back. Sorry
20:34 <wrtlprnft> he has disappeared for a while, much like you
20:35 <philippeqc> we didnt hang out in the same cave. Sorry
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20:40 <Lucifer_arma> sure he disappeared? He tends to appear to have disappeared, but in reality just has nothing to say/do
20:41 <armabot> armagetronad: davidfancella * r7263 /tools/acme/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): View source?
20:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: nemo posted at 7:42pm. Was it this message that triggered your question?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> 20:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r7262 /tools/acme/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ignore *.pyc
20:48 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: wiki relocation != easy for some reason -_-
20:52 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: but if you could, please make sure things on the wiki still work
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> um, broken redirect?
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.nethttp//wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
20:53 <Lucifer_arma> check your config file
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20:53 <digitx> hi
20:53 <guru3> try it now
20:54 <philippeqc> hello
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20:56 <guru3> also Lucifer_arma, email notifications should work, so ifyou could change the thing at the top
20:59 <philippeqc> this is just too weird
20:59 <philippeqc> I merged my branch back to trunk under 2 hours
21:00 <philippeqc> With 2 glass of wine in the nose
21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it compiles
21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it execute
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21:00 <philippeqc> ... and it runs on the net vs servers with zones
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21:00 <philippeqc> this is way tooo spooky for me!
21:05 <vinavil> philippeqc: do you have some C++ exercies for me?
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21:14 <GodTodd> DrJoeTron: fuck you :)
21:15 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd my wallpaper is da best
21:16 <DrJoeTron> http://75.56.50.151/BILSS.jpg
21:16 * GodTodd just scrolled to the philosophical discussion from earlier and just wants to note that to luke-jr_work a "reputable scientist" is one who agrees/"proves" whatever nonsensical stance "true christians" hold.
21:16 <DrJoeTron> :D
21:17 <GodTodd> bahahaha....i'ma put that in my wallpaper rotation
21:17 * GodTodd has a different wallpaper every 10 minutes.
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: ready for the bugtracker? :)
21:19 <Lucifer_arma> heh, too bad it's 4:3 aspect ratio
21:19 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: i guess... requirements?
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> flyspray + database
21:20 <guru3> can you wrap up the install in an archive this time?
21:20 <guru3> getting mediawiki going from just the db and a clean install was murder
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> I can link it, nothing fancy about this one
21:20 <guru3> and i'm still not sure if it's setup right
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, you want the install I'm running?
21:20 <guru3> hopefully i can just put it in place yeah?
21:21 <guru3> and what url?
21:21 <guru3> tracker.armagetronad.net
21:21 <guru3> should that be ok?
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> should, but I have to leave right now to sell some textbooks
21:21 <guru3> ok
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> does your shell account still work?
21:21 <guru3> yes
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> lemme put you in the wheel group and give you the root password
21:21 <guru3> ok
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to tear that machine down when this is all over, so I can be somewhat promiscuous with the root password :)
21:22 <guru3> heh, ok
21:22 <digitx> .
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21:23 <Lucifer_arma> er, what's your username? :)
21:23 <guru3> fcs
21:26 <DrJoeTron> GodTodd aww :3
21:33 * GodTodd frenches DrJoeTron.
21:33 <GodTodd> dammit....i need to get another video card :/
21:34 <akira_> i need to get another pc..
21:34 <GodTodd> $90 lasted 6-7 years...guess that's ok return on the investment
21:34 <vinavil> i need another life
21:35 <vinavil> anybody has a job to offer? i can move everywhere
21:36 <Bougo> bye
21:36 -!- _Sticky_ [n=Sticky@80-43-85-181.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #armagetron
21:36 <GodTodd> anyone here good with hardware troubleshooting...just want verification of my own diagnosis...
21:37 <GodTodd> there should be a '?' in there somewhere :)
21:37 <Bougo> rofl DrJoeTron yurz wallpapey iss teh best evah
21:38 <Bougo> bay
21:38 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-224-102.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #armagetron ["Night"]
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21:41 <GodTodd> Vanhayes_opera: what aria are you singing?
21:41 <Vanhayes_opera> the second?
21:41 * Vanhayes_opera doesn't know one bit of opera
21:41 <GodTodd> from which opera?
21:41 <GodTodd> :P
21:49 <vinavil> opera the browser? :P
21:49 <Vanhayes_opera> ya, heh
21:50 <vinavil> im on opera
21:51 -!- digitx [n=digitx@catv-56653686.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["Távozom"]
21:51 <Vanhayes_opera> same, its a decent irc client
21:51 <vinavil> yea, i like the all-in-one feature
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21:52 <vinavil> it is getting better year by year
21:52 <vinavil> but still has some problem in visualization
21:52 <vinavil> in browser
21:55 <mkzelda> #weather 27545
21:55 <Vanhayes_opera> #tea
21:55 <armabot> mkzelda: The current temperature in Winchester - NE Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina is 84.0°F (3:56 PM EDT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling).
21:55 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Fortress Café: No online players.
21:55 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
21:55 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Near Custer and Parker, Plano, Texas is 74.7°F (2:57 PM CDT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 68.0°F. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Falling).
21:55 <GodTodd> i lose :(
21:56 <mkzelda> humidity thru the roof there
21:56 <mkzelda> bout to storm?
21:56 <mkzelda> if it drops a few degrees i guess
21:56 <vinavil> 79% humidity!!
21:56 <GodTodd> supposed to storm all weekend
21:56 <vinavil> how do you breath? lol
21:56 <GodTodd> been raining off and on today and we got nailed yesterday
21:56 <mkzelda> we havent had rain since christmas, just 3 or 4 10 min drizzles that didnt do anything
21:57 <GodTodd> heh...we're actually running a surplus on rain this year
21:57 <mkzelda> everything is dead
21:57 <Vanhayes_opera> #weather saint john
21:57 <GodTodd> last year we ended up around 18 feet low on lake levels
21:57 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Fog patches along the fundy coast this evening. Fog patches developing near midnight. Wind south 20 km/h becoming light this evening. (1 more message)
21:57 <Vanhayes_opera> hot muggy day out
21:57 <GodTodd> hot?
21:57 <GodTodd> at 70?
21:57 <mkzelda> ya our lake dried out last year
21:58 <GodTodd> muggy? at 53%?
21:58 <mkzelda> i mean, the one that is our water source
21:58 <mkzelda> people were walking along the bottom
21:58 <mkzelda> taking pictures
21:58 <mkzelda> found all kinds of stuff
21:58 <GodTodd> wow...we haven't gotten that bad yet
21:58 <mkzelda> tires, cars, murder weapons, bodies
21:58 <philippeqc> vinavil: watching a movie here
21:59 <philippeqc> google for "c++ annotations"
21:59 <vinavil> philippeqc: nice, which movie?
21:59 <philippeqc> few exercises, some examples, but much information
21:59 <philippeqc> Goldfinger
21:59 <Vanhayes_opera> its more than 53 here, and hotter, saint john is on the bay of fundy, im far enough away that it is at least 5-10 degrees hotter here, than there, and usually as muggy or more
21:59 <GodTodd> "The Truth" by luke-jr_work
21:59 <philippeqc> I'm at the laser scene
21:59 <mkzelda> http://www.newsobserver.com/content/multimedia/gallery/20051205_drought/
22:00 <Vanhayes_opera> #weather e5n 5c5
22:00 <vinavil> hehe
22:00 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: The current temperature in Hampton High School, Hampton, New Brunswick is 75.7°F (5:01 PM ADT on May 25, 2007). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling).
22:00 <philippeqc> you know, where bond in strapped on a table and about to be cut by a laser
22:00 <GodTodd> less than 53 :P
22:00 <vinavil> yea, it reminds me something
22:00 <GodTodd> 53 > 51
22:00 <philippeqc> yes, about half the movie parodies ever made ...
22:00 <philippeqc> ;)
22:00 <philippeqc> well, going back to my movie
22:01 <philippeqc> good luck
22:01 <vinavil> lata phil
22:01 <philippeqc> try 2morrow instead
22:01 <philippeqc> I should be awake in 8 to 10 hours ;)
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22:03 <mkzelda> notice the date on that url?
22:03 <mkzelda> 2005 dec 05
22:03 <mkzelda> problem still ongoing
22:03 <GodTodd> heh...i've been through 5-10 year droughts
22:04 <GodTodd> hrmm...time to pack up the rugrats and do some grocery shopping :/
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23:01 <Vanhayes_opera> #tea
23:01 <armabot> Vanhayes_opera: Fortress Café: Players (18/32): akira, Amun-Ra, CTDimbiman, ikono, Kamakazi, kszys, Monkey, pavelo, postage due, RebelMusic.mp3, TooThPicK, ~*SP*~oO.k3nNy, ¦×¥ Legit, ¦×¥Flex, ¦×¥Rico, °°@shitakA, °°BopyCat, °°eLasH
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23:48 <_Sticky_> #tea
23:48 <armabot> _Sticky_: Fortress Café: Players (15/32): Amun-Ra, Anun, CTxOwned, hoop, ikono, JJBean, KeY_3113, Ossi, pavelo, Sithy, Tîger, ~ X ~, ~*wHaTuP*~, ¦Ö¦Qico, °¯AshitakA
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know how I can force a logout?
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