Log from 2009-02-04:
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00:05 <smoothice> hi y'all
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00:07 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r899 Various fixes and more work on war functionality || [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r898 More work on match_start_war || [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r897 More work on war functionality
00:07 <s0beit> hey smoothice :)
00:07 <smoothice> hi VcL dude
00:08 <s0beit> =)
00:08 <flea> hi
00:08 <flea> how to fast forward in playback mode
00:08 <smoothice> hi PinkTomato
00:10 <PinkTomato> #morning
00:11 <@armabot> Good Morning PinkTomato Random Fortune: Why don't you pair `em up in threes? -Yogi Berra
00:13 <smoothice> #afternoon
00:13 <smoothice> #evening
00:13 <smoothice> #bed
00:13 <smoothice> #morning
00:14 <@armabot> Good Morning smoothice Random Fortune: "Triumph without Victory, The Unreported History of the Persian || Gulf War", -Headline published in the U.S. News & World Report, || 1992.
00:14 <flea> This is Armagetron version 0.3_alpha8599.
00:14 <flea> doesnt have --fast-forward equivlanetnnteth?
00:15 <flea> smoothice, no night fortune for u - u will have to drink instead
00:17 <flea> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Image:Screenshot_2.png
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00:32 <smoothice> z-manuel: How am I able to access the configuration of TEAM_NAME_x from gGame if it is declared and used in eTeam?
00:37 <BabyBug> #N9
00:37 <@armabot> BabyBug: Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!): Players (0/16):
00:37 <z-manuel> smoothice: you can't, not without changing eTeam.
00:38 <z-manuel> You need to remove the 'static' fom the variable declaration
00:38 <z-manuel> and add an 'extern' variable declaration to the eTeam header.
00:38 <s0beit> is chat_log available in 2.8.2 sty+ct build?
00:38 <smoothice> z-manuel: Can you explain what static does anyways?
00:38 <z-manuel> it restricts the validitiy of a name to the current translation unit.
00:39 <smoothice> Can you dumb that down to words I can understand?
00:39 <smoothice> :/
00:39 <z-manuel> 'static int x' in one cpp file and 'static int x' in another cpp file are different variables.
00:39 <smoothice> ohhh
00:39 <z-manuel> without the 'static', the linker would complain about a collision.
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00:39 <smoothice> What if it isn't declared in the header file
00:39 <z-manuel> You can declare it in gGame.cpp itself, although that's kind of hacky.
00:40 <z-manuel> We do it for a couple of things, but I generally don't like it.
00:40 <z-manuel> back to the xes,
00:40 <z-manuel> if one cpp file has 'int x;'
00:40 <z-manuel> and the other 'extern int x'
00:40 <z-manuel> then both can use the same variable x.
00:40 <smoothice> oh ok
00:41 <smoothice> What if it isn't declared in the header file?
00:42 <s0beit> smoothice, or z-manuel, is chat_log available in the 2.8sty+ct alpha 2009 build?
00:42 <smoothice> s0beit: you mean ladderlog_write_chat?
00:42 <smoothice> #cfg2 ladderlog_write_chat
00:42 <@armabot> smoothice: LADDERLOG_WRITE_CHAT: Write to ladderlog: CHAT [/me]
00:43 <s0beit> No, i mean
00:43 <s0beit> #cfg2 chat_log
00:43 <@armabot> s0beit: CHAT_LOG: Write machine parsable chat messages to var/chatlog.txt
00:43 <smoothice> what does that do???
00:43 <smoothice> #cfg chat_log
00:43 <@armabot> smoothice: Sorry, no matches :S
00:43 <smoothice> apparently it is
00:43 <s0beit> nice
00:43 <s0beit> ty
00:44 <smoothice> z-manuel: Do if it isn't in the header file then I have to add it to the header file?
00:44 <z-manuel> yes, or to every cpp file that wants to use it.
00:45 <smoothice> alright
00:45 <smoothice> I'll try that
00:49 <smoothice> z-manuel: I'm confused... the TEAM_NAME_x creations in eTeam.cpp are done via a stringstream that is fed into a function called nameConf.
00:49 <smoothice> z-manuel: m_name = new nameConf (name .str().c_str(), se_team_name[teamCount]);
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00:49 <smoothice> z-manuel: How should I go about adding those to the header?
00:49 <z-manuel> heh, that's difficult :)
00:50 <z-manuel> Of course, you don't want the config items.
00:50 <z-manuel> They just handle the interface.
00:50 <z-manuel> The real variable you want is this:
00:50 <z-manuel> static tString se_team_name
00:51 <smoothice> Ah
00:51 <smoothice> k
00:51 <z-manuel> bedtime, night!
00:54 <smoothice> alright
01:10 <@armabot> armacommits: [protocolbuffer-armagetronad-work] r902 Implemented protobufs for gWall.cpp....
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01:20 <s0beit> smoothice, how the heck do you set up htaccess? xD
01:21 <s0beit> ive been here forever trying to make it work! http://www.tools.dynamicdrive.com/password/
01:22 <smoothice> s0beit: Don't use that
01:22 <smoothice> or do use it :/
01:22 <smoothice> Ummm
01:22 <smoothice> You generate the htpasswd file and you link to it using htaccess
01:24 <s0beit> i did that :(
01:25 <s0beit> I placed the .htpasswd in the /root/ folder
01:25 <s0beit> then i placed .htaccess in /var/www/
01:25 <smoothice> Are you using apache?
01:25 <s0beit> no
01:25 <s0beit> im using lighttpd
01:25 <smoothice> THat's why ;)
01:25 <s0beit> ??
01:26 <BabyBug> .htaccess doesn't work with lighttpd
01:26 <smoothice> lighttpd does not use htaccess
01:26 <s0beit> -.-
01:26 <smoothice> yeah
01:26 <flea> lol
01:26 <BabyBug> It's an apache thingie
01:26 <s0beit> god that sucks
01:26 <smoothice> but
01:26 <s0beit> anyway to password protect lighttpd?
01:26 <smoothice> yeah
01:26 <s0beit> yay :D
01:26 <smoothice> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/lighttpd-setup-a-password-protected-directory-directories.html
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01:26 <flea> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/lighttpd-setup-a-password-protected-directory-directories.html
01:26 <smoothice> flea: ...
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01:27 <smoothice> s0beit: That should work even those its more than Apache requires
01:27 <flea> i didnt know lighthttpd didnt use .htaccess. but why the hell would i use lighthttpd
01:27 <BabyBug> less bloated? uses fewer system resources
01:28 <BabyBug> and it's lighttpd, not lighthttpd :P
01:28 <smoothice> ;)
01:28 <flea> i wouldnt use either
01:29 <s0beit> heh
01:30 <s0beit> Make sure mod_auth is loaded:
01:30 <s0beit> server.modules += ( "mod_auth" )
01:30 <s0beit> ??
01:30 <smoothice> Yeah
01:30 <nsh22> Genki: lol
01:30 <s0beit> how do i do that?
01:30 <smoothice> That module is requires
01:30 <smoothice> required
01:30 <smoothice> It's in the instructions
01:30 <s0beit> all it says is make sure its loaded
01:30 <s0beit> doesnt tell me how to make sure
01:30 <smoothice> s0beit: ...
01:31 <s0beit> add all of this to the bottom?
01:31 <smoothice> sure
01:31 <smoothice> doesn't matter where
01:35 <s0beit> "realm" => "Password protected area",
01:35 <s0beit> whats that?
01:35 <s0beit> realm is the password?
01:35 <s0beit> this is rediculous to set up -.-
01:36 <smoothice> no
01:36 <smoothice> realm is the name of the auth area
01:36 <smoothice> it can be anything
01:37 <s0beit> so leave that alone?
01:37 <smoothice> well
01:37 <smoothice> make it ""
01:37 <smoothice> " "
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01:42 <Genki> nsh22: ???
01:43 <nsh22> nvm lol
01:43 <Genki> "nsh22: Genki: lol"
01:43 <Genki> O.o
01:48 <madmax> the lighty one rocks!
01:50 <Flex> madmax, wanna play/test something?
01:51 <madmax> can't right now...
01:51 <madmax> sorry
01:51 <Flex> it's alright
01:51 <Flex> mostly interested in what your ping is line
01:51 <Flex> like
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01:54 <madmax> tell me the hostname :p
01:55 <Flex> when you're ready
01:56 <madmax> as in, 'ping <hostname>', heh
01:57 <Flex> no! it's different in-game..
01:57 <madmax> it's roughly the same...
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02:11 <nsh22> hey sine
02:12 <sinewav> sup man
02:12 <nsh22> nm you
02:12 <sinewav> working on some video stuff. My system sucks
02:13 <nsh22> lol
02:13 <sinewav> All my hardware is ooooollllllldddddd. like me
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04:18 <s0beit> #ls EagleEye
04:19 <@armabot> s0beit: timed out
04:19 <s0beit> #ls FroZen
04:19 <@armabot> s0beit: timed out
04:21 <luke-jr> …
04:22 <s0beit> #ls ~"XzL.FroZen
04:22 <@armabot> s0beit: timed out
04:22 <s0beit> -.- come on
04:36 <|TheBeyonder|> is a Gh0st
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04:37 <|TheBeyonder|> Arf
04:37 <|TheBeyonder|> bb
04:38 <ct|kyle> #weather 46814
04:38 <@armabot> ct|kyle: The current temperature in Tanbark, Fort Wayne, Indiana is 16.5°F (10:37 PM EST on February 03, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 15.8°F. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising).
04:38 <|TheBeyonder|> #weather 30329
04:38 <@armabot> |TheBeyonder|: The current temperature in Midtown/Buckhead, Atlanta, Georgia is 27.1°F (10:35 PM EST on February 03, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 6.8°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM EST Wednesday...
04:38 <|TheBeyonder|> 3:P
04:39 <|TheBeyonder|> #stock market crash
04:39 <|TheBeyonder|> ol
04:39 <|TheBeyonder|> lol
04:39 <|TheBeyonder|> zzzzzzzzzzzz
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07:13 <|TheBeyonder|> exciting up in here
07:13 <|TheBeyonder|> #weather 30329
07:13 <@armabot> |TheBeyonder|: The current temperature in Midtown/Buckhead, Atlanta, Georgia is 19.9°F (1:10 AM EST on February 04, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 19.4°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM EST Wednesday...
07:13 <|TheBeyonder|> OMG
07:14 <|TheBeyonder|> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wake up fools
07:14 <|TheBeyonder|> sigh
07:14 <|TheBeyonder|> bb
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07:29 <Lucifer> #pig
07:29 <Lucifer> #ping
07:29 <@armabot> pong
07:33 <z-manuel> pog
07:37 <Lucifer> #ping
07:37 <@armabot> pong
07:41 <Lucifer> #ping
07:41 <@armabot> pong
07:41 <akira_arma> plonk
07:46 <Lucifer> hey, you guys are making fun of me!
07:46 <Lucifer> #ping
07:46 <@armabot> pong
07:47 * Lucifer is trying to get his laptop to do internet connection sharing so he doesn't have to move his desktop, monitor, keyboard, and mouse downstairs and plug it in with the wire
07:54 <Lucifer> #ping
07:54 <@armabot> pong
07:54 <Lucifer> ok, if I'm connecting ethernet card to ethernet card, do I need a crossover cable?
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07:55 <Lucifer> #ping
07:55 <@armabot> pong
07:57 <akira_arma> pow
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07:58 <BabyBug> Lucifer, yes, crossover
07:58 <Lucifer> damn, I don't have one
07:59 <Lucifer> at least, the one I think I have is currently being used, heh
07:59 <BabyBug> wait...that made me look geeky..ignore that =x
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08:09 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I just make all my cables MDI-X
08:09 <luke-jr> with almost everything auto-sensing these days, there's no reason to make regular cables
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08:12 <BabyBug> thank you luke
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08:16 <epsy> guru3, spam strike from user Ace211
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08:41 <Lucifer> ok, do I need a crossover cable when I connect network switch to ethernet card?
08:44 <Lucifer> nvm, I got it working, yay!
08:46 <Lucifer> hqqns
08:46 <BabyBug> hqqns?
08:46 <Lucifer> tryin to write upside down
08:47 <BabyBug> subbu?
08:47 <BabyBug> subby?
08:47 <BabyBug> subway!
08:47 <Lucifer> yeah, subby
08:47 <Lucifer> old player, used to be on the dev team
08:47 <BabyBug> oh
08:47 <BabyBug> not subway
08:47 <Lucifer> hasn't been seen in quite some time
08:47 * Lucifer is so happy he got this thing to work, but wonders if it would have been easier to just take the damn computer downstairs
08:48 <BabyBug> arma needs more dev...everyone's so slow
08:48 <BabyBug> devs*
08:48 <BabyBug> and any luck with the job hunting yet?
08:51 <Lucifer> no, not yet
08:51 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
08:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: timed out
08:51 <BabyBug> =(
08:51 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
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08:51 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
08:51 <Lucifer> heyhey :)
08:51 <Lucifer> BabyBug: since you're kicking around, can you see my website right now?
08:52 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Yup =)
08:52 <BabyBug> I don't like the green
08:52 <Lucifer> that's the old site, I haven't yet updated it to the new site
08:52 <Lucifer> got a lot of work to do yet :(
08:53 <Lucifer> I liked the green, though
08:53 <BabyBug> oooo old indeed...It mentions your wife :P
08:54 <Lucifer> ok, refresh and tell me if you see the new one :)
08:54 <Lucifer> please
08:55 <BabyBug> It's changecd
08:55 <Lucifer> heh, why did I decide to install firefox before pyqt3? :(
08:55 <BabyBug> Looks like before
08:55 <Lucifer> is it the new one, with the rain/water backround?
08:56 <BabyBug> Yes
08:56 <Lucifer> ahhh, that's right, you showed up while my website was down, so this old/new thing might confuse you :)
08:56 <Lucifer> ok, thanks, that means my resume is back online now
08:56 <BabyBug> ^^
08:56 * Lucifer had a hard drive crash a few days ago
08:56 <BabyBug> ooo
08:56 <BabyBug> not good =x
08:56 <Lucifer> no, not good
08:56 <Lucifer> since it drove my resume offline, I had to pause the job search to fix it
08:57 <Lucifer> I should be back to normal relatively quickly
08:57 <Lucifer> now that I have a desktop again, heh
08:57 <BabyBug> \o/
08:57 <Lucifer> mail.
08:57 <Lucifer> oops
08:57 <Lucifer> this whole "two keyboards and two mice" thing has been confusing me
08:58 <BabyBug> twit...
08:59 <Lucifer> er, which python module has "parallel" in it?
08:59 <Lucifer> pyserial?
08:59 <Lucifer> ah, python-parallel :)
09:00 <Lucifer> grrr, doesn't work! :(
09:01 <Lucifer> oh, I need to be in the scanner group
09:03 <Lucifer> ok, bbiab
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09:04 <Lucifer> I'm back, heh
09:04 <Lucifer> laptop is shutting down, I don't need it anymore
09:04 <Lucifer> #ping
09:04 <@armabot> pong
09:05 <BabyBug> #pong
09:05 <@armabot> ping
09:05 <BabyBug> #help pong
09:05 <@armabot> BabyBug: (pong <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo ping".
09:05 <BabyBug> #alias add pong echo twit...
09:05 <@armabot> BabyBug: The operation succeeded.
09:06 <BabyBug> \o/
09:08 <Lucifer> #pong
09:08 <@armabot> ping
09:08 <BabyBug> ...
09:09 <BabyBug> #alias add pong echo twit...
09:09 <@armabot> BabyBug: Error: Alias "pong" is locked.
09:09 <BabyBug> whore
09:11 <akira_arma> you?
09:11 * akira_arma pays BabyBug
09:11 <BabyBug> the only payed service i offer is castration
09:12 <BabyBug> or is that paid?
09:12 <akira_arma> why would you want to do that?
09:12 <BabyBug> The question is, Why wouldn't i want to do that?
09:13 <Lucifer> she does like girls better
09:14 <Lucifer> or at least says she does
09:14 <Lucifer> she is, after all, a fohm
09:14 <Lucifer> er
09:14 <Lucifer> she is, after all, a fhom
09:14 <Lucifer> looks like I lost my replacement :(
09:14 <BabyBug> haha
09:14 <BabyBug> fat old hairy man pretending to be an internet lesbian \o/
09:14 <Lucifer> fat old hairy man pretending to be an internet lesbian
09:14 <Lucifer> there, it's back now :)
09:15 <Lucifer> damn hard drive crash....
09:15 <BabyBug> =P
09:15 <Lucifer> now, why don't I have any sound?
09:15 <BabyBug> mute button
09:19 <Lucifer> hmmm, actually it all looks fine
09:19 <Lucifer> it *should* work! :(
09:22 <BabyBug> yet, it isn't
09:22 * GodTodd notes that Lucifer's resume is now up under two domains ;)
09:22 <Lucifer> heh
09:22 <Lucifer> I'll get yours back up in a bit
09:22 <Lucifer> is there any rush on it right now?
09:22 <GodTodd> nope
09:22 * Lucifer is trying to get his alarm clock working again so he doesn't have to boot up his laptop
09:22 <BabyBug> Is this the second domain? http://crimson.seul.org/wiki/index.php/DaveFancella x)
09:23 <BabyBug> naughty stuff there Lucifer....
09:23 * Lucifer is considering just tossing in another soundcard
09:23 <GodTodd> BabyBug, nope, it's under my domain too :)
09:23 <BabyBug> oh you totally missed the joke =(
09:23 <GodTodd> probaably
09:24 <BabyBug> boring old fart
09:24 <GodTodd> i have very fresh farts thankyouverymuch
09:25 <BabyBug> liar, no such thing
09:25 <GodTodd> oh yeah there's such a thing
09:25 <GodTodd> even my dog runs
09:25 <GodTodd> :D
09:26 <GodTodd> wow...that link is just...i dunno...wrong
09:26 <BabyBug> =P
09:27 <Lucifer> I've been having a lot of fresh farts tonight
09:27 * Lucifer needs a cigarette
09:27 * Lucifer runs for it before BabyBug says something
09:27 <GodTodd> speculum insertions...i've always wondered how that's a turn on
09:29 <BabyBug> ffs Lucifer >.<
09:32 * GodTodd wonders how to utilize dynamic, server-side images using txt2tags...:/
09:32 <BabyBug> so where's your resume GodTodd?
09:33 <GodTodd> once the server crash is fully fixed it'll be at www.toddmacy.com
09:33 <BabyBug> =.= lol
09:33 <BabyBug> laazy :P
09:34 <GodTodd> lazy how?
09:34 <BabyBug> fix the server? :P or does it permanently point to lucifer's server and he hasn't done the dns yet?
09:35 <GodTodd> he hosts my site
09:35 <BabyBug> ahhh
09:35 <GodTodd> cuz he's cool like that and we go back a long ways :)
09:35 <BabyBug> cool? you're on drugs
09:36 <GodTodd> erg...you have to be on drugs to be cool?
09:36 <BabyBug> no, you have to be on drugs to think someone is cool when they're not
09:36 <GodTodd> you don't think Lucifer's cool?
09:36 <GodTodd> heh
09:37 <BabyBug> newp =P
09:37 <GodTodd> well...i've known him for nigh on 20 years so... :P
09:37 <BabyBug> He smokes....that removes all trace of coolness
09:37 <GodTodd> bah, in my day, smoking increased coolness
09:38 <GodTodd> :)
09:38 <BabyBug> and you went "erg" when you thought you had to be on drugs to be cool? >.<
09:38 <BabyBug> hypocrite
09:39 <GodTodd> i didn't say i thought it was cool, i was commenting on social perception in general
09:40 <GodTodd> nor did i say you had to smoke to be cool...an increase doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of coolness in the first place
09:40 <GodTodd> :)
09:40 <BabyBug> still relating drugs with coolness
09:40 <BabyBug> hypocrite
09:41 <GodTodd> if it's hot outside, an increase in temperature doesn't mean that it wasn't hot to begin with nor does it indicate that the increase is required for it to be hot
09:41 <GodTodd> and it's quite possible to believe that an increase makes it hotter and still not like heat :)
09:42 <GodTodd> without being hypocritical in the least
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09:42 <BabyBug> hrmph...you're good, i'll give ya that...but i'm stubborn, and stubborn is better than good
09:42 <BabyBug> hypocrite
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09:42 <GodTodd> ah, but, i'm good *and* stubborn :P
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09:43 <BabyBug> no such thing
09:44 <GodTodd> yerp
09:44 <BabyBug> newp
09:44 <GodTodd> is that like a newt?
09:44 <BabyBug> you're like a newt
09:44 * GodTodd will never ever be able to see or hear the word newt without thinking of Monty Python.
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09:50 <BabyBug> *sigh* gotta go do that life thingy...toodles! stop smoking ffs Lucifer!! *growls*
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13:06 <cusco> helloo
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13:42 <epsy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+milestone/0.2.8.2
13:42 <epsy> ??
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15:42 <guru3> 15 rubber is depressing
15:43 <akira_arma> lol
15:46 <madmax> hey cusco o/
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16:07 <luke-jr> guru3: in what way? too little or too much?
16:12 <guru3> it's too much rubber
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17:31 <BabyBug> #tea
17:32 <@armabot> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (4/32): #4$#, akira, Hype, NayP
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19:01 <epsy> armabot, rss announce
19:01 <@armabot> epsy: armacommits, lpbugs, fts_feedback, and armaannounce
19:06 <sinewav> when will L-18 brackets be chosen?
19:08 * BabyBug nods at sinewav
19:09 * sinewav winks at BabyBug in a not preverted way.
19:10 <BabyBug> O.o
19:13 <@armabot> lpbugs: [325411] /deop is requiring a second access level, because "the user is already logged in" || [325407] Invited spectators don't see their own team messages
19:32 -!- s0beit [n=Negative@user-11fard5.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #armagetron
19:32 <s0beit> Does anyone know what "Display Lists" does? There is a feature in the client that has a few options for this.
19:33 <epsy> @g site:en.wikipedia.org display list
19:33 <teabot> epsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_list - Display list - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:34 <s0beit> What would be the best setting for this?
19:34 <s0beit> create and execute or create and call?
19:34 <epsy> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=display+list
19:34 <epsy> what version?
19:35 <s0beit> .2.8.3beta1
19:35 <epsy> create and call
19:35 <s0beit> Why did the version matter? oO
19:36 <epsy> I think there's a version which only has one type
19:36 <epsy> Though I forgot which.
19:36 <s0beit> So why create and call over create and execute, what's the difference?
19:37 <s0beit> I get better FPS with create and execute
19:37 <epsy> what is your GFX card?
19:38 <s0beit> radion
19:38 <s0beit> ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO
19:39 <epsy> did you do a benchmark?
19:39 <s0beit> dunno what that is ><
19:40 <epsy> a test protocol to compare speed of an operation done by different means/ways
19:40 <epsy> in this case, the protocol is 1/ making a recording
19:40 <epsy> 2/ playing it back with --benchmark with create & call
19:41 <epsy> 3/ playing it back with --benchmark with create & execute
19:52 <sinewav> cafe
19:54 <epsy> @tea
19:54 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): sine.wav, ¦×¦ Hoax
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20:06 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1010 Fixed spectators not seeing their own team messages when inv...
20:16 <@armabot> lpbugs: [325411] /deop is requiring a second argument, because "the user is already logged in"
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20:46 <s0beit> #ls Twinx
20:46 <@armabot> s0beit: v<|.Twinx has last been seen on Wild West =Sumo= 22 hours 29 minutes ago.
20:48 <s0beit> #ls putnamehere
20:48 <@armabot> s0beit: timed out
20:48 <s0beit> #ls M&C
20:48 <ct|kyle> oi s0beit
20:48 <s0beit> epsy, Is there a site made for these commands?
20:48 <s0beit> hey kyle, good afternoon
20:48 <@armabot> s0beit: MARC0 seems to be on SPACEZONE III right now.
20:49 <ct|kyle> #help lastween
20:49 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Error: There is no command "lastween".
20:49 <ct|kyle> #help lastseen
20:49 <epsy> s0beit, what commands?
20:49 <@armabot> ct|kyle: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
20:49 <s0beit> he should make a site that allows you to put a players name in and it comes up when they were last seen
20:49 <s0beit> like the #ls feature
20:49 <epsy> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=
20:50 <s0beit> nice, ty =)
20:50 <ct|kyle> you just put it after ?player=
20:50 <epsy> well, that's what ct|kyle just showed you
20:50 <s0beit> i know, thanks to u both
20:50 <ct|kyle> ya LOL idid not see that before posting
20:51 <epsy> bazaarmagetron seems to have died
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20:55 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8945 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy: Fixed spectators not seeing their own team messages when invited
20:56 <epsy> or not .. screw you bazaarmagetron!
20:56 <freako> epsy
20:57 <epsy> Don't highlight me for the lulz please
20:57 <freako> when did they change the sunday 0.00 rule? about changing team members?
20:57 <epsy> It has been "Teams are locked sunday morning" for years
20:57 <freako> im sure ur not happy if I signup with 16 players....
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8946 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: epsy
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: Changed se_DeOp to not use se_ChangeAccess.
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: Moved stuff from se_ChangeAccess to se_CanChangeAccess.
20:57 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed references to /promote.
20:58 <epsy> now with the need for arranging the CB, it needs to be today
20:58 <freako> So, I can just add my members on saturday evening :)
20:58 <epsy> no
20:58 <freako> it doesnt need* to be today
20:58 <epsy> and I don't care with who you sign up
20:58 <epsy> it does
20:58 <freako> why? only the teamspots get chosen?
20:59 <freako> what has that to do with the members?
20:59 <epsy> could you change your teammembers 5 mins before the ladle earlier?
20:59 <freako> omg epsy, so ur saying
21:00 <freako> atleast 10 players played illegal last ladle? :)
21:00 <freako> because they changed it,,, after the teampicking was done?
21:00 <epsy> theorically, yes
21:00 <epsy> why don't you just shut up and add your members now?
21:01 <freako> because I will get some nasty reactions.. If I signups to much people...
21:01 <epsy> there's no limit on that
21:01 <epsy> just on how many play at a given time
21:02 <freako> ok... but dont ask me why I signup
21:03 <freako> freako,psy,a,b,c,d,e,f :)
21:03 <epsy> Aha.
21:03 <epsy> Maybe think about putting your teammates from »| ?
21:04 <freako> I first have to know who can* play... because we weren't supposed to play :)
21:04 <epsy> Put everyone.
21:05 <madmax> where's that new rule about locking it today?
21:05 <freako> nowhere :/
21:05 <freako> oops... I mean,, i cant find it :0
21:05 <epsy> And well, great idea about signing your team up when you don't even know if you can have enough players
21:05 <madmax> riiight. because in the guidelines it's still set at sunday morning
21:05 * freako has the right till sunday morning then
21:05 * freako kissed madmax
21:06 <epsy> right, so you still can move teams around
21:06 <epsy> according to your guidelines
21:06 <freako> your: ----> Ladle
21:06 <epsy> did that mean anything?
21:07 <freako> btw.... the guidelines say
21:07 <freako> that spot switching is allowed haha
21:07 <madmax> of course you can't move teams after the spots have been picked
21:07 <epsy> Then fuck all the "decisions" that were done on the forums
21:08 <madmax> but I don't problems with changing the roster within a team until sunday
21:08 <epsy> why would you be able to edit a team then?
21:08 <freako> I was just joking with the last one....
21:08 <freako> but I just need my time till sunday morning
21:08 <madmax> epsy: wouldn't it be easir to just link the relevant posts then?
21:09 <epsy> well, either follow the rules on the forums, either follow the guidelines
21:09 <epsy> not both
21:09 * freako is still against the seeding
21:09 * freako still wants a public poll
21:09 <sinewav> I think the bracket should be locked after filling them, and it should be done earlier than later.
21:09 <TheBeyonder> #weather 30308
21:09 <freako> And im going to make public poll
21:09 <TheBeyonder> hm
21:09 <epsy> there was a "public" poll, like the "public" poll for settings
21:09 <sinewav> as far as who is on the team, I don't think that matters as much
21:09 <freako> where is it?
21:09 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1011 Changed se_DeOp to not use se_ChangeAccess....
21:09 <epsy> ON FORUMS
21:09 <freako> is it amongst player? teamcaptains?
21:10 <@armabot> TheBeyonder: The current temperature in Grant Park (West Side), Atlanta, Georgia is 30.7°F (3:09 PM EST on February 04, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 8.6°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028.3 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM EST this afternoon...
21:10 <epsy> amongst who shouts the louder
21:10 <TheBeyonder> wow lag in irc lol
21:10 <epsy> TheBeyonder, armabot lags
21:10 * freako asks for a poll about teamcaptains then
21:10 <TheBeyonder> lolol
21:10 <dlh> #tea
21:10 <@armabot> dlh: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): *whisper*, -=}ID< Vípe, <<~luAp~>>, Absynth [NH], NayP, Pez, preSs, SNAFU, TheN00b, van Nelle, Z@MWR@|, ~DaWg~, ~|DST|~AshitakA, ~|DS|~ Plage
21:10 <freako> more legal then 8 players of 1 clan voting yes
21:11 * sinewav is not in |X|
21:11 <epsy> I ask for poll from all players
21:11 <freako> VS only 1 player off WW up and reading that poll
21:11 <epsy> that are on the challenge board
21:11 <freako> ok... I also agree with that...
21:11 <freako> I have 11 voting no-s for you already :)
21:11 <epsy> so sign up your players now ;)
21:12 <pikey> all?
21:12 <sinewav> freako: then get your whole clan to vote.
21:12 <pikey> some aren't signed up on forums i think ;)
21:12 <epsy> their problem
21:12 <freako> they all are
21:12 <epsy> if they dont want to tell about their opinion, it's THEIR problem
21:13 <pikey> agreed
21:13 <freako> Was there a public poll,, where only players could vote? NO!
21:13 <freako> :)
21:13 <pikey> seeding is good, but only when limited
21:14 <epsy> freako, now you gotta agree it's late for L18
21:14 <freako> I have to agree, but still I dislike the seeding
21:14 <freako> u got the link of the seeding topic?
21:14 <freako> can't seem to find the poll lol
21:15 <epsy> first topic under competitions
21:15 <freako> thats ladle18*
21:15 <epsy> it's lost in a 9-page topic
21:15 <freako> and where can I see the *poll* in the topic?
21:15 <epsy> browse it
21:16 <sinewav> freako, why didn't you start a poll, earlier than 4 days before ladel?
21:16 <freako> I just saw, that the seeding actually came trough
21:17 <freako> Noone told me that it was seeded.. just heard it ingame
21:17 <epsy> then go watch stuff yourself
21:17 <freako> Epsy: where is the YES/NO part of the poll
21:17 <ct|kyle> i haven't had the time to argue against it either, I think 2 teams may be ok but 4 no way
21:17 <sinewav> but we talked about this before L-17, two months ago!
21:17 <epsy> if you don't want to stay up-to-date with info, it is YOUR problem
21:18 <freako> I cant find the offical poll epsy? I can only find the discussion :/
21:18 <epsy> can't a poll be more than YES! NO! ?
21:18 <freako> yes/no is official?
21:18 <freako> a discussion between the same people is not
21:18 <sinewav> and this discussion favors seeding, the question is mostly 2 or 4 teams
21:18 <epsy> wtf is official in a self-organized tournament
21:19 <freako> ask 2020,ghableska,mazuffer,wolverine :)
21:19 <freako> Self-organised = the players decide
21:19 <pikey> = noone decides
21:19 <sinewav> don't you think it's ironic that you can pick teams randomly, and the would come out the same as seeding? It's possible!
21:19 <pikey> v:P
21:20 <epsy> captain-choosen worked fine
21:20 <pikey> nah, let's trust fate for once
21:20 <freako> So can we get a seeding poll for captains then?
21:20 <pikey> or computer
21:20 * freako is happy to make it
21:20 <sinewav> freako, you have a right to make it
21:20 <pikey> not this ladle
21:20 <epsy> it's too late freako
21:21 <sinewav> `...for L-20
21:21 <epsy> do it for L19 and I'm all with you
21:21 <pikey> we better discuss it AFTER ladle
21:21 <freako> it is? everyone is playing the first round , except 1 team
21:21 <pikey> we can only cause more mess now
21:22 <ct|kyle> ya i think try 4 teams although there really was no 3rd place war, and then decide after this one
21:23 * freako atleasts thinks try 2 teams this ladle
21:23 <freako> like a middle* solution
21:23 <pikey> i dont like current seeding but let it stay that way
21:23 <ct|kyle> 2 teams would be fine i think
21:24 <sinewav> I think 2 is best
21:24 <ct|kyle> start a discussion after this ladle
21:24 <pikey> yeah
21:24 <freako> but how do we do it next time?
21:24 <epsy> start a discussion so you get different opinions
21:24 <freako> as we do not know who will signup,,, and well have late-voters
21:24 <epsy> THEN
21:24 <epsy> make a poll
21:24 <pikey> depends how many teams we'll have :)
21:24 <epsy> with each of these opinions
21:25 <pikey> i think discussion will be better
21:25 <pikey> and then poll
21:25 <freako> And now,, how does a middle* solution sounds?
21:25 <pikey> there are more than 2 ways
21:25 <epsy> freako, read what pikey and I said
21:25 <ct|kyle> the only think i don't like is that we know that first place should be better than the other teams, but 2nd place could really be further down than that,
21:26 <pikey> doesn't matter really
21:26 <freako> I'm a supporter of total fairness
21:26 * pikey too
21:26 <ct|kyle> total randomnesss :)
21:26 <freako> yes!
21:26 <pikey> it's fair
21:26 <pikey> vbut not good for tourney
21:27 <pikey> vimagine tr v ct & x v sp
21:27 <freako> yes?
21:27 <pikey> in first round
21:27 <pikey> it can happen
21:27 <pikey> little chances but it can
21:27 <freako> thats called a fair decisions*
21:27 <epsy> put up a discussion to collect every opinion then put up a phpbb2 poll
21:28 <epsy> not any other way
21:28 <pikey> and epsy make the final decision :P
21:28 <ct|kyle> but do it after this ladle
21:28 * freako agrees on that... but then atleast change it to 2 for this ladle
21:28 <epsy> yes
21:28 <freako> and if someone decides when its even (it are the Tronic creators :))
21:28 <epsy> no
21:29 <freako> when its even*
21:29 <pikey> i think a little seeding is good
21:30 <freako> And I think total randomness is gooed
21:30 <pikey> it's not
21:30 <freako> I can have my own opinion... I hate urs also :)
21:30 <freako> So I want an poll...
21:30 <epsy> the tronic creators don't have any more right than any other player in the tronic cup
21:30 <epsy> that's one of the base principes of 2020's ideology, at least if I got it correctly
21:30 <freako> and thats fair again :)
21:31 <pikey> tournaments should have some continuity
21:31 <pikey> vso winners become celebs
21:31 <epsy> don't decide it now..
21:31 <freako> I'll just ask on the forums to change it to 2 seeds for this ladle then.....
21:31 <freako> poll*
21:31 <pikey> yeah let it stay the way it is now
21:32 <pikey> let it stay this way and we'll see what will happen
21:32 <pikey> if best4 from L17 will be in semis
21:32 <pikey> vthen it should be changed
21:33 <pikey> v:)
21:33 <pikey> v?
21:34 <sinewav> I have a radical solution to the seeded/unseeded problem.
21:34 <pikey> cancel Ladle?
21:34 <epsy> yeah
21:34 <Lucifer> hey, I like that one too
21:34 <freako> as we all agree,,,
21:34 <freako> lets just do it :/
21:34 <epsy> freako, we don't
21:34 <epsy> freako, heck, what did I just say?
21:35 <freako> ok.. discussion decided.. its cancelled <--- in this way the seeding is decided
21:35 <sinewav> Split the teams into two seperate confrences and let this winners of each fight.
21:35 <ct|kyle> essentially that is what we are doing
21:35 <pikey> uh?
21:35 * Lucifer wants to see the pooling thing done
21:35 * freako thinks it woul be like afl2
21:35 <Lucifer> what part of "fencing tournaments have hundreds of participants and still finish in two days" are y'all not understanding????
21:36 <pikey> they are paid for that :P
21:36 <Lucifer> no, they're not
21:36 <ct|kyle> fencind does not take as long as ladle
21:36 <Lucifer> quite the contrary, fencing particpants have to pay to participate
21:36 <pikey> liar
21:36 <ct|kyle> fencing*
21:36 <Lucifer> the elimination rounds are timed matches, up to 15 minutes iirc
21:37 <pikey> what do you think about moving ladle to saturday?
21:37 <sinewav> no
21:37 <pikey> vsunday tourneys sux
21:37 <Lucifer> which may not be as long as a ladle game, but you're only talking 16-20 teams, and fencing tournaments have literally hundreds of players
21:37 <epsy> I suggest moving it to work time on the monday
21:37 <epsy> more tense gameplay
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21:37 <Lucifer> it may be a 64 player elimination, but 200 will show up
21:37 <sinewav> haha!
21:37 <Lucifer> in some areas, they'll get upwards of 600 showing up
21:37 <Lucifer> the pooling round scales
21:37 * sinewav is playing at work now..
21:38 <Lucifer> divide everyone up into pools and have each pool play very short matches, eliminate the lowest scores, advance the highest scores
21:38 <pikey> we'll see when we'll have few hundred players :)
21:38 <pikey> vi think 15min-elimination round is a good idea
21:38 <Lucifer> if you say it'll be a 15 minute round, then it'll be a 15-minute round when you have 10 teams, and it'll be a 15-minute round when you have 200 teams
21:38 <freako> like pre ladle?
21:38 <Lucifer> the only thing you *need* is enough servers to handle it
21:38 <Lucifer> yeah, like a pre ladle
21:38 <freako> ladle diverged in 2 weeks?
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21:39 <Lucifer> so if you want the elimination rounds to start with 16 teams, then you setup your pool eliminations to advance only 16 teams from the pools
21:39 <K-Yo> freako, why ask?
21:40 <dlh> Didn't the Spoon tournament have rounds to determine seeding?
21:40 <K-Yo> (anyway, I find it a bit late to change anything for ladle 18)
21:40 <Lucifer> dlh: yes, but it had much longer rounds
21:40 <Lucifer> it had regular game-sized rounds for seeding
21:40 <dlh> yeah
21:41 <Lucifer> the pools that I'm talking about would be much shorter, like two teams might play until a fortress is conquered, and that's it
21:41 <Lucifer> much shorter rounds, so that 4-6 teams can reasonably play one another in the alloted time slot
21:41 <Lucifer> because that's how big the pools are
21:41 <Lucifer> so, say you have 20 teams
21:41 <Lucifer> you divide them into 4 pools of 5
21:41 <Lucifer> everybody in each pool plays all the other teams *in their pool*
21:41 <freako> 2 of eacht pool advance?
21:41 <Lucifer> eliminate the 4 lowest scoring teams
21:42 <Lucifer> then advance 16 to the elimination rounds
21:42 <Lucifer> or as freako says, only advance 2 from each pool
21:42 <Lucifer> then you have 8 for the elimination rounds
21:42 <Lucifer> say you have 200 teams :)
21:42 <Lucifer> or 160, that's better math
21:42 <Lucifer> divide them into 32 pools of 5
21:42 * freako likes pool play ( and dont come up with the Group-head soccer idea please)
21:42 <dlh> I like that idea.
21:43 <Lucifer> or 16 pools of 10
21:43 <dlh> The pool idea
21:43 <pikey> it's a good idea but there have to be, say 1000-2000 players
21:43 <freako> nope
21:43 <freako> 16 teams... 4 pools of 4
21:43 <Lucifer> the pools work anytime you need a fixed number of teams to start the elimination and you don't have that many signups
21:43 <Lucifer> nobody gets a bye, everybody has to fight for a slot
21:43 <freako> 2 of each pool advance
21:43 <freako> + there are more matches
21:44 <freako> smaller,,, but more
21:44 <Lucifer> yep :)
21:44 <dlh> Maybe 3 rounds would be a good number for a pool match. You can scale it down when there are more teams
21:44 <Lucifer> yep
21:44 <freako> and the semi-s / finals will be interesting
21:45 <freako> as only the 1/2 from the pool advance
21:45 <freako> so when 2,,, good teams crash into eachother in the pool,,, they can still end up playing the semi final/final
21:48 <sinewav> Lucifer: Hey, I wanted to donate sounds for 0.3. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=202962#202962
21:48 <sinewav> Enjoy
21:48 <freako> Great idea for the next ladle :), / future ladles
21:48 <ct|kyle> sinewav: engine ordering seams off :P
21:48 <sinewav> what do you mean?
21:48 <ct|kyle> or are the separate and don't have anything to do with speed?
21:48 * freako still thinks 4 seeds is to much for this ladle though
21:49 <sinewav> seperate
21:49 <ct|kyle> ok
21:49 <sinewav> I think of the engine sounds like bike colors, you should have a choice
21:50 <sinewav> I thought about making some speed specific, but whatever
21:50 <freako> like changing gears? at 40/50/60 ?
21:51 <sinewav> that would be interesting...
21:51 <pikey> great idea for a Cup :)
21:51 <pikey> the*
21:54 <pikey> mhm so L18 starts 19:00 GMT?
21:54 <freako> earlier? isnt it?
21:54 <pikey> 18:45?
21:55 <freako> yeah
21:55 <dlh> yes
21:55 <pikey> I'm not sure if 45mins/match will be enough
21:55 <pikey> lots of new teams
21:56 <freako> true,,, but if we make it longer
21:56 <freako> it will take far to long
21:56 <pikey> yeah, well, they'll lose faster probably :P
21:56 <ct|kyle> limit a match to 15 minutes :P
21:56 <freako> 2 new teams vs eachother ? will take ages without an good admin
21:56 <pikey> yup
21:57 <freako> even with* a good admin its will take long
21:57 <pikey> maybe move start -15 mins?
21:57 <freako> Sounds ok
21:57 <pikey> it should go quicker from qf
21:58 <TheBeyonder> :P
21:58 <freako> yeah. but we sure need those extra 15
21:58 <freako> more server changing etc*
21:59 <freako> this is were the struggling begins again :P
21:59 <freako> can we just change it, without a proper discussion :/
22:00 <freako> no -_-
22:00 <MaZuffeR> a match with two new teams against each other will not take as long as a match with two great teams. The problem is starting on time
22:01 <MaZuffeR> and that has always been the problem, i have never played in a match that has started when it was supposed to
22:01 <freako> true, but I think the extra 15 minutes could come in handy
22:02 <freako> yes, also true :)
22:02 <freako> Only the *starting on time problem* can't be really solved
22:03 <freako> because the main problem lies with the teams itself
22:03 <freako> *no no, dont start... were waiting on someone! waaaait! *
22:03 <MaZuffeR> teams should just insist on starting on time even if the other teams isn't ready
22:03 <freako> and they are not doing that :)
22:03 <freako> were to friendly lol
22:04 <freako> but, don't you agree on the extra 15?
22:05 <freako> I think it could come in handy,,, more server changes, solving more problems, new teams
22:06 <freako> or make the finals a bit later <--- there still pretty early in US/EU
22:06 <freako> oh wait < i didnt say that :)... forget how long the final took the last ladle
22:07 <K-Yo> xD
22:08 <freako> ;)
22:10 <MaZuffeR> i guess an extra 15 mins would be good
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22:11 <freako> I'll make a forum poll*/discussion,, to avoid collisions?
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22:18 <freako> made a forum poll/discussion
22:18 <freako> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=203017#203017
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22:26 <freako> im off, don't forget to vote,,, so we can finish this fast :)
22:26 <freako> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=203017#203017
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23:40 <nsh22> hey
23:41 <nsh22> is there glanicing in 0.3?
23:41 <epsy> well .... yes??
23:41 <nsh22> other than radar
23:41 <epsy> well .... yes??
23:41 * nsh22 thinks glancing is for noobs
23:42 <epsy> idiot
23:42 <nsh22> XD
23:42 <epsy> turning left IS for noobs
23:42 <nsh22> i know its noobish but hey, idc
23:42 <nsh22> lol
23:42 <epsy> you know what's noobish?
23:42 <nsh22> me?
23:42 <epsy> not using what the game provides you to play with
23:42 <nsh22> lol
23:43 <epsy> if you don't grind in fort, it's noobish
23:43 <epsy> if you don't conquer, same
23:43 <nsh22> i dont knoow how to glance tbh (well i sorta do
23:43 <epsy> if you don't hole, same
23:43 <epsy> what do you mean?
23:44 <nsh22> well i havent changed my keyboard to glance, and ive never really checked what does what
23:44 <nsh22> anyways, i g2g
23:44 <epsy> glance left glaces left and glace right glances right
23:44 <nsh22> the noob out...
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