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[2024-01-23 01:08:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I fucking fell on the ice and messed up my arm pretty bad. Thought it was broken, but seems to be a little better after an hour now. Feel bad for me, I can't type or even use a mouse goddamnit!
[2024-01-23 01:08:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I fucking fell on the ice and messed up my arm pretty bad. Thought it was broken, but seems to be a little better after an hour now. Feel bad for me, I can't type or even use a mouse goddamnit!
[2024-01-23 01:35:53] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Johnny| That sucks man . Yah one bad fall can be life changing. Glad it went broken
[2024-01-23 01:35:54] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Johnny| That sucks man . Yah one bad fall can be life changing. Glad it went broken
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[2024-01-23 08:19:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma: Any new weapons system is going to be misused by *somebody*. There's no two ways about it. You can't get away from creating new systems and platforms either, because then the less corrigible among us will succeed us in that development. 
[2024-01-23 08:19:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lucifer_arma: Any new weapons system is going to be misused by *somebody*. There's no two ways about it. You can't get away from creating new systems and platforms either, because then the less corrigible among us will succeed us in that development. 
[2024-01-23 08:19:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| These fancy new lasers, though, have one distinct feature that theoretically protects non-combatants - and that's focal length. Even these fancy new solid state lasers need some sort of phase change, which makes the outgoing light conical in shape. That guarantees a reduction in intensity with distance, meaning that anything that refracts from the ionosphere is likely too unfocus <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 08:19:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| These fancy new lasers, though, have one distinct feature that theoretically protects non-combatants - and that's focal length. Even these fancy new solid state lasers need some sort of phase change, which makes the outgoing light conical in shape. That guarantees a reduction in intensity with distance, meaning that anything that refracts from the ionosphere is likely too unfocus <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 08:19:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ed to do anything to anyone. 
[2024-01-23 08:19:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ed to do anything to anyone. 
[2024-01-23 08:19:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| As for handheld weaponry, I don't think we'll be seeing laser rifles any time soon. The apparatus is much too delicate to be encased in something that small and that vulnerable. However, there is a different avenue that we coul dtake, and that's plasma. A theoretical plasma rifle (jfc hello halo) is going to be far more sturdy than a laser rifle, and has one key advantage: It's n <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 08:19:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| As for handheld weaponry, I don't think we'll be seeing laser rifles any time soon. The apparatus is much too delicate to be encased in something that small and that vulnerable. However, there is a different avenue that we coul dtake, and that's plasma. A theoretical plasma rifle (jfc hello halo) is going to be far more sturdy than a laser rifle, and has one key advantage: It's n <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 08:19:43] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ot necessarily lethal. One could theoretically be merely rendered unconscious or immobile by such a weapon, leading to one's capture as opposed to one's untimely demise. A non-lethal war would be a great improvement, although even that has the potential to be abused. I doubt the Americans will go this route, though.
[2024-01-23 08:19:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ot necessarily lethal. One could theoretically be merely rendered unconscious or immobile by such a weapon, leading to one's capture as opposed to one's untimely demise. A non-lethal war would be a great improvement, although even that has the potential to be abused. I doubt the Americans will go this route, though.
[2024-01-23 08:19:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHH24bGZh4
[2024-01-23 08:19:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHH24bGZh4
[2024-01-23 08:20:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| shoutout to NonCredibleDefense
[2024-01-23 08:20:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| shoutout to NonCredibleDefense
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[2024-01-23 13:43:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @amazing_stories That is exactly what happened to me a few weeks ago. My elbow dislocated and they had to put it back in hospital. I can type now but i cant lift much or do sports and wont be able to for months according to the physio. Consultant said it will be a year before my arm is back to normal.
[2024-01-23 13:43:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @amazing_stories That is exactly what happened to me a few weeks ago. My elbow dislocated and they had to put it back in hospital. I can type now but i cant lift much or do sports and wont be able to for months according to the physio. Consultant said it will be a year before my arm is back to normal.
[2024-01-23 14:02:09] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub The next world war will be computer-based...using AI, Machine learning and the internet. I don't think lasers will even come in to it.
[2024-01-23 14:02:09] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub The next world war will be computer-based...using AI, Machine learning and the internet. I don't think lasers will even come in to it.
[2024-01-23 14:34:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Oh wow your injury is way worse. I've narrowed down my problem to swelling in my elbow. Since I'm slowly gaining mobility and grip strength it doesn't make sense there would be a fracture, and the pain seems to run the entire length of my arm centered around the spot just above my elbow on the back. It's is not nearly as swollen and bruised as I expected but man when I woke up th <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 14:34:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Oh wow your injury is way worse. I've narrowed down my problem to swelling in my elbow. Since I'm slowly gaining mobility and grip strength it doesn't make sense there would be a fracture, and the pain seems to run the entire length of my arm centered around the spot just above my elbow on the back. It's is not nearly as swollen and bruised as I expected but man when I woke up th <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 14:34:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| is morning it hurt so much I thought for sure my arm was broken. Ibuprofen seems to be helping. This post the first thing I've been able to type since last night so I'm guessing a few more days of this. Drove my car today and couldn't really shift, had to use a combination of finger strength and my torso, but mostly had to use my left hand (manual transmission). Can't lift anythi <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 14:34:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| is morning it hurt so much I thought for sure my arm was broken. Ibuprofen seems to be helping. This post the first thing I've been able to type since last night so I'm guessing a few more days of this. Drove my car today and couldn't really shift, had to use a combination of finger strength and my torso, but mostly had to use my left hand (manual transmission). Can't lift anythi <clipped message>
[2024-01-23 14:34:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ng over a kilo.
[2024-01-23 14:34:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ng over a kilo.
[2024-01-23 14:34:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I doubt it, tbh. We already have conventions in place to prevent automated decision making in warfare. It's the only sensible thing to do. Maybe in a few hundred years, sure, but not in our lifetime
[2024-01-23 14:34:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I doubt it, tbh. We already have conventions in place to prevent automated decision making in warfare. It's the only sensible thing to do. Maybe in a few hundred years, sure, but not in our lifetime
[2024-01-23 14:43:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| at least you drive a manual 👑
[2024-01-23 14:43:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| at least you drive a manual 👑
[2024-01-23 14:45:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha. My first car was manual because I was dirt poor and that's all I could afford so I had to learn, and somehow I keep ending up with manual cars even though I have no preference... I just buy what's available at the time.
[2024-01-23 14:45:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| ha. My first car was manual because I was dirt poor and that's all I could afford so I had to learn, and somehow I keep ending up with manual cars even though I have no preference... I just buy what's available at the time.
[2024-01-23 14:58:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Here in the UK, most people drive manuals. The only people with automatics are those that live in big cities and don't drive much. I don't know why that is.
[2024-01-23 14:58:07] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Here in the UK, most people drive manuals. The only people with automatics are those that live in big cities and don't drive much. I don't know why that is.
[2024-01-23 15:05:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub I wouldn't be so sure about that. The rate of change in technology is insane. The head of AI and machine learning at Google resigned recently for the reasons I mention. I call it "Terminator Syndrome". Expect it in our lifetime.
[2024-01-23 15:05:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| @northernscrub I wouldn't be so sure about that. The rate of change in technology is insane. The head of AI and machine learning at Google resigned recently for the reasons I mention. I call it "Terminator Syndrome". Expect it in our lifetime.
[2024-01-23 15:08:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I agree that most people are drastically underestimating the power of AI tools. I used to be indifferent to AI but over the last year I've become an AI alarmist, trying to explain to people how crazy things can get potentially over the next decade.
[2024-01-23 15:08:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I agree that most people are drastically underestimating the power of AI tools. I used to be indifferent to AI but over the last year I've become an AI alarmist, trying to explain to people how crazy things can get potentially over the next decade.
[2024-01-23 15:10:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Oh yeah for sure. We already have AI bots playing this game on the servers. With the growth of internet of things and smart technology, we are heading for trouble.  There are hackers out there that can hack pretty much anything.
[2024-01-23 15:10:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Oh yeah for sure. We already have AI bots playing this game on the servers. With the growth of internet of things and smart technology, we are heading for trouble.  There are hackers out there that can hack pretty much anything.
[2024-01-23 15:13:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Did you see the video of the guys that hacked a jeep?
[2024-01-23 15:13:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Did you see the video of the guys that hacked a jeep?
[2024-01-23 15:13:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| They had full control over it from just a laptop
[2024-01-23 15:13:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| They had full control over it from just a laptop
[2024-01-23 15:13:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| No., wow.
[2024-01-23 15:13:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| No., wow.
[2024-01-23 15:13:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| that was a decade ago
[2024-01-23 15:13:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| that was a decade ago
[2024-01-23 15:14:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and pretty much every vehicle post 2010 is vulnerable
[2024-01-23 15:14:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and pretty much every vehicle post 2010 is vulnerable
[2024-01-23 15:14:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| https://www.wired.com/video/watch/hackers-wireless-jeep-attack-stranded-me-on-a-highway
[2024-01-23 15:14:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| https://www.wired.com/video/watch/hackers-wireless-jeep-attack-stranded-me-on-a-highway
[2024-01-23 15:14:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| a modern vehicle is a rolling IP address
[2024-01-23 15:14:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| a modern vehicle is a rolling IP address
[2024-01-23 15:15:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I have many things to say about AI, but really the most important one I keep telling people is that every technology is potentially a weapon, and right now AI tools are good enough to be weapons we don't have countermeasures for, or at least they are developed faster than we can combat them.
[2024-01-23 15:15:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| I have many things to say about AI, but really the most important one I keep telling people is that every technology is potentially a weapon, and right now AI tools are good enough to be weapons we don't have countermeasures for, or at least they are developed faster than we can combat them.
[2024-01-23 15:15:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Security is relative, not absolute in computing.
[2024-01-23 15:15:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Security is relative, not absolute in computing.
[2024-01-23 15:16:11] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not even airgapping is a solution anymore, it's conceivable that merely listening to a device as it emits electrical noise can result in a live feed of its threads
[2024-01-23 15:16:11] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not even airgapping is a solution anymore, it's conceivable that merely listening to a device as it emits electrical noise can result in a live feed of its threads
[2024-01-23 15:18:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i went to my local college on an open day about a year ago or less and they said that they could hack a modern car with just a laptop. They weren't even proper hackers, just lecturers in mechanics and some other stuff.
[2024-01-23 15:18:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i went to my local college on an open day about a year ago or less and they said that they could hack a modern car with just a laptop. They weren't even proper hackers, just lecturers in mechanics and some other stuff.
[2024-01-23 15:19:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so yeah, it concerns the fuck out of me.
[2024-01-23 15:19:03] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| so yeah, it concerns the fuck out of me.
[2024-01-23 15:19:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| laptop? lol, you can do it from aphone
[2024-01-23 15:19:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| laptop? lol, you can do it from aphone
[2024-01-23 15:19:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| busybox is far more powerful than it used to be
[2024-01-23 15:19:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| busybox is far more powerful than it used to be
[2024-01-23 15:20:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ive heard of it but not used it. its an embedded linux type tool right?
[2024-01-23 15:20:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ive heard of it but not used it. its an embedded linux type tool right?
[2024-01-23 15:20:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's a kernel all of its own
[2024-01-23 15:20:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's a kernel all of its own
[2024-01-23 15:20:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-01-23 15:20:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah ok
[2024-01-23 15:20:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| based on unix
[2024-01-23 15:20:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| based on unix
[2024-01-23 15:20:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| android runs on it
[2024-01-23 15:20:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| android runs on it
[2024-01-23 15:20:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ios runs on a variant thereof
[2024-01-23 15:21:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ios runs on a variant thereof
[2024-01-23 15:21:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| all androids run on it or?
[2024-01-23 15:21:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| all androids run on it or?
[2024-01-23 15:21:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, yes, it's what android is built on top of
[2024-01-23 15:21:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, yes, it's what android is built on top of
[2024-01-23 15:21:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh ok i knew android was linuxish but didnt know it ran on top of busybox
[2024-01-23 15:21:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh ok i knew android was linuxish but didnt know it ran on top of busybox
[2024-01-23 15:22:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, technically is *is* a form of linux
[2024-01-23 15:22:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, technically is *is* a form of linux
[2024-01-23 15:22:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it can even support bash
[2024-01-23 15:22:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it can even support bash
[2024-01-23 15:23:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's a few android terminals that even run pacman
[2024-01-23 15:23:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's a few android terminals that even run pacman
[2024-01-23 15:23:24] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the package manager or the game 😛
[2024-01-23 15:23:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the package manager or the game 😛
[2024-01-23 15:23:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2024-01-23 15:23:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| heh
[2024-01-23 15:23:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the former
[2024-01-23 15:23:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the former
[2024-01-23 15:23:41] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah i was j/k
[2024-01-23 15:23:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah i was j/k
[2024-01-23 15:24:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| also did you guys hear about the facebook AI engine?
[2024-01-23 15:24:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| also did you guys hear about the facebook AI engine?
[2024-01-23 15:25:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| don't much care for facebook, but I'm hardly surprised. Zuck is a massive bellend
[2024-01-23 15:25:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| don't much care for facebook, but I'm hardly surprised. Zuck is a massive bellend
[2024-01-23 15:26:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| facebook set up two instances of their AI engine to talk to one another. They ended up creating their own language to be more efficient and private  and facebook had to stop the experiment. I agree yes that Zuck is a prick.
[2024-01-23 15:26:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| facebook set up two instances of their AI engine to talk to one another. They ended up creating their own language to be more efficient and private  and facebook had to stop the experiment. I agree yes that Zuck is a prick.
[2024-01-23 15:26:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh that was zuck's lot? lol
[2024-01-23 15:26:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh that was zuck's lot? lol
[2024-01-23 15:27:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah
[2024-01-23 15:27:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah
[2024-01-23 15:27:56] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if a cunt like that has that sort of AI power...imagine what other have...
[2024-01-23 15:27:56] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if a cunt like that has that sort of AI power...imagine what other have...
[2024-01-23 15:34:07] <armagetron-bridge> 13discord:Juesto| not really, busybox is a collection of tools typically used in limited environments
[2024-01-23 15:34:07] <armagetronbridge> 13discord:Juesto| not really, busybox is a collection of tools typically used in limited environments
[2024-01-23 15:36:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| right ok, ive never used it myself but yeah i was surprised to hear its a kernel too
[2024-01-23 15:36:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| right ok, ive never used it myself but yeah i was surprised to hear its a kernel too
[2024-01-23 15:36:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i thought android was just running a modified and extended linux kernel.
[2024-01-23 15:36:48] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i thought android was just running a modified and extended linux kernel.
[2024-01-23 15:42:02] <Lucifer_arma> Cars have been vulnerable for awhile.  I read an article a number of years ago describing exactly what the vulnerabilities were then, and the reason the article existed was because the researchers had been trying for a couple of years to get manufacturers to plug the security holes
[2024-01-23 15:42:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Cars have been vulnerable for awhile.  I read an article a number of years ago describing exactly what the vulnerabilities were then, and the reason the article existed was because the researchers had been trying for a couple of years to get manufacturers to plug the security holes
[2024-01-23 15:42:24] <Lucifer_arma> and when they refused, over a long period of time, the researchers published to put more pressure on the manufacturers
[2024-01-23 15:42:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and when they refused, over a long period of time, the researchers published to put more pressure on the manufacturers
[2024-01-23 15:43:41] <Lucifer_arma> I'm absolutely certain that AI fears are overblown, or reflect a misunderstanding of how AI works.  :)
[2024-01-23 15:43:41] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm absolutely certain that AI fears are overblown, or reflect a misunderstanding of how AI works.  :)
[2024-01-23 15:44:17] <Lucifer_arma> Neural networks are built on a basic mathematical model of how neurons work in a brain, but it's both a really basic model, and a pretty flawed model
[2024-01-23 15:44:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Neural networks are built on a basic mathematical model of how neurons work in a brain, but it's both a really basic model, and a pretty flawed model
[2024-01-23 15:45:19] <Lucifer_arma> but, even if it was a pretty solid and accurate model, you'd still need to put so many nodes in a model that there doesn't exist a computer yet that can run this hypothetical model in realtime
[2024-01-23 15:45:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but, even if it was a pretty solid and accurate model, you'd still need to put so many nodes in a model that there doesn't exist a computer yet that can run this hypothetical model in realtime
[2024-01-23 15:45:43] <Lucifer_arma> and I'm pretty sure transistor-based CPUs are just never going to be able to because of their physical limitations
[2024-01-23 15:45:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and I'm pretty sure transistor-based CPUs are just never going to be able to because of their physical limitations
[2024-01-23 15:46:31] <Lucifer_arma> so why not build a big ass cluster?  Latency.  There's so much latency in a cluster that an actual emergent intelligence would just be too slow
[2024-01-23 15:46:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so why not build a big ass cluster?  Latency.  There's so much latency in a cluster that an actual emergent intelligence would just be too slow
[2024-01-23 15:47:43] <Lucifer_arma> the other things we get wrong about AI is that if we do ever manage to make the shift from artificial intelligence to real intelligence, we always imagine that it'll be some super-intelligent computer that immediately has no need for humans
[2024-01-23 15:47:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the other things we get wrong about AI is that if we do ever manage to make the shift from artificial intelligence to real intelligence, we always imagine that it'll be some super-intelligent computer that immediately has no need for humans
[2024-01-23 15:48:31] <Lucifer_arma> but realistically, since AI development is incremental, the first intelligences to be built are going to be much "lower" on the evolutionary tree.  Think bees or ants, not hyper-intelligent T1000s
[2024-01-23 15:48:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but realistically, since AI development is incremental, the first intelligences to be built are going to be much "lower" on the evolutionary tree.  Think bees or ants, not hyper-intelligent T1000s
[2024-01-23 15:52:05] <Lucifer_arma> it's a fun science fiction trope that if you put enough logical components together, sooner or later a malicious intelligence is an inevitable development, but that's just a trope
[2024-01-23 15:52:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's a fun science fiction trope that if you put enough logical components together, sooner or later a malicious intelligence is an inevitable development, but that's just a trope
[2024-01-23 15:53:07] <Lucifer_arma> if it helps, there have been some recent studies that show that we take TV too seriously.  While it's another example of science learning something we already knew, it's really helpful to remember that hollywood physics isn't real physics
[2024-01-23 15:53:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if it helps, there have been some recent studies that show that we take TV too seriously.  While it's another example of science learning something we already knew, it's really helpful to remember that hollywood physics isn't real physics
[2024-01-23 15:54:08] <Lucifer_arma> so I see fears of AI being along the same psychological lines as the 9/11 inside jobbers who think it's physically impossible for a plane to bring down a skyscraper because their best understanding of physics comes from movies
[2024-01-23 15:54:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I see fears of AI being along the same psychological lines as the 9/11 inside jobbers who think it's physically impossible for a plane to bring down a skyscraper because their best understanding of physics comes from movies
[2024-01-23 15:55:45] <Lucifer_arma> of course, unlike the 9/11 jobbers, AI research is a much more theoretical area, and my dabbling in AI doesn't make me anything near an expert on the subject
[2024-01-23 15:55:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| of course, unlike the 9/11 jobbers, AI research is a much more theoretical area, and my dabbling in AI doesn't make me anything near an expert on the subject
[2024-01-23 15:56:54] <Lucifer_arma> I'm saying I could be wrong.  I don't think I am, but I still could be.  :)  I *do* think that AI fears represent fundamental insecurities in how humans behave as a species.
[2024-01-23 15:56:54] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm saying I could be wrong.  I don't think I am, but I still could be.  :)  I *do* think that AI fears represent fundamental insecurities in how humans behave as a species.
[2024-01-23 15:58:00] <Lucifer_arma> Take Asimov's laws of robotics.  We can all probably agree that they are a good idea to build into AI at some point.  But then we also know that some humans out there somewhere will build an AI without those laws of robotics because they need to do something those laws would stop
[2024-01-23 15:58:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Take Asimov's laws of robotics.  We can all probably agree that they are a good idea to build into AI at some point.  But then we also know that some humans out there somewhere will build an AI without those laws of robotics because they need to do something those laws would stop
[2024-01-23 15:58:36] <Lucifer_arma> we also have serious issues about whether or not we're even capable of building in to an AI any such laws of robotics.
[2024-01-23 15:58:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we also have serious issues about whether or not we're even capable of building in to an AI any such laws of robotics.
[2024-01-23 15:58:55] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| You're entitled to your opinion of course but I disagree. Obviously not all AI is highly intelligent, in fact, I'm sure most is not. However, I believe that powerful enough AI, with the ability to *learn*, in the wrong hands, will be very dangerous indeed. I also believe that we are in an AI race, similar to an arms race, but we don't hear about it because governments etc want to keep it that way.
[2024-01-23 15:58:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| You're entitled to your opinion of course but I disagree. Obviously not all AI is highly intelligent, in fact, I'm sure most is not. However, I believe that powerful enough AI, with the ability to *learn*, in the wrong hands, will be very dangerous indeed. I also believe that we are in an AI race, similar to an arms race, but we don't hear about it because governments etc want to keep it that way.
[2024-01-23 15:59:01] <Lucifer_arma> There's also insecurity revolving around whether or not we'd even recognize if we built an actual intelligence.  How would we recognize it?
[2024-01-23 15:59:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| There's also insecurity revolving around whether or not we'd even recognize if we built an actual intelligence.  How would we recognize it?
[2024-01-23 16:00:28] <Lucifer_arma> but what is learning, exactly?  Deep learning on computers is about being able to make inferences.  It's basically a very general mathematical algorithm that enables a computer to make illogical inferences
[2024-01-23 16:00:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but what is learning, exactly?  Deep learning on computers is about being able to make inferences.  It's basically a very general mathematical algorithm that enables a computer to make illogical inferences
[2024-01-23 16:01:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Also, the technology we see in every day life is normally about 10 years behind what governments etc have. So, the most powerful governments in the world must have shit hot computers (quantum/biological/w/e) by now.
[2024-01-23 16:01:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Also, the technology we see in every day life is normally about 10 years behind what governments etc have. So, the most powerful governments in the world must have shit hot computers (quantum/biological/w/e) by now.
[2024-01-23 16:01:15] <Lucifer_arma> I'm curious how big chatGPT is.  I haven't seen any specs on it.  How many layers?  How many nodes?  etc.
[2024-01-23 16:01:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm curious how big chatGPT is.  I haven't seen any specs on it.  How many layers?  How many nodes?  etc.
[2024-01-23 16:01:37] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lol good point actually, i wonder how big it is myself
[2024-01-23 16:01:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| lol good point actually, i wonder how big it is myself
[2024-01-23 16:02:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| As for recognising if we built actual intelligence, we'll recognise it when it kicks our asses.
[2024-01-23 16:02:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| As for recognising if we built actual intelligence, we'll recognise it when it kicks our asses.
[2024-01-23 16:02:56] <Lucifer_arma> the turing test is about insecurity, not really about a computer that's good enough to pass itself off as a human.  The basic question being asked is "Would we be able to tell the difference between an artificial intelligence that can fool us, or a real intelligence that can think?"
[2024-01-23 16:02:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the turing test is about insecurity, not really about a computer that's good enough to pass itself off as a human.  The basic question being asked is "Would we be able to tell the difference between an artificial intelligence that can fool us, or a real intelligence that can think?"
[2024-01-23 16:05:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| as you rightly say, i think silicon, binary computers, have limitations. However, i will repeat that we don't know what level of technology gorvernents have. I suspect they are either using or are getting close to quantum or biological computers etc.
[2024-01-23 16:05:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| as you rightly say, i think silicon, binary computers, have limitations. However, i will repeat that we don't know what level of technology gorvernents have. I suspect they are either using or are getting close to quantum or biological computers etc.
[2024-01-23 16:05:29] <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to see someone figure out how many transistors it would take to simulate an actual biological neuron.  There's so much information in a signal as its passing through a neuron that even though the latency seems slow, it's really high speed
[2024-01-23 16:05:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'd like to see someone figure out how many transistors it would take to simulate an actual biological neuron.  There's so much information in a signal as its passing through a neuron that even though the latency seems slow, it's really high speed
[2024-01-23 16:06:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah for sure. i watched a program a while ago on biological computing. its getting closer to creating animals and, im sure, one day, humans
[2024-01-23 16:06:47] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah for sure. i watched a program a while ago on biological computing. its getting closer to creating animals and, im sure, one day, humans
[2024-01-23 16:07:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IMO its not *if*, it's *when*
[2024-01-23 16:07:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| IMO its not *if*, it's *when*
[2024-01-23 16:10:35] <Lucifer_arma> but it also takes a lot more than just intelligence for an AI to turn against us and start working on world domination
[2024-01-23 16:10:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but it also takes a lot more than just intelligence for an AI to turn against us and start working on world domination
[2024-01-23 16:11:31] <Lucifer_arma> I think we're missing one of the fundamental parts of the Terminator premise.  When SkyNet reached a point where it had access to everything it needed to reproduce and maintain itself, *that* is when it turned against humans
[2024-01-23 16:11:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think we're missing one of the fundamental parts of the Terminator premise.  When SkyNet reached a point where it had access to everything it needed to reproduce and maintain itself, *that* is when it turned against humans
[2024-01-23 16:12:35] <Lucifer_arma> but it still ignores a really important point, which is that all the different components would have to need each other to be able to take over the world
[2024-01-23 16:12:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but it still ignores a really important point, which is that all the different components would have to need each other to be able to take over the world
[2024-01-23 16:13:06] <Lucifer_arma> if the intelligence that manages the stock market can exist just fine without building autonomous vehicles, then the autonomous vehicles aren't necessarily going to be allies with it
[2024-01-23 16:13:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if the intelligence that manages the stock market can exist just fine without building autonomous vehicles, then the autonomous vehicles aren't necessarily going to be allies with it
[2024-01-23 16:14:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Possibly. Although if Facebook's AI can make changes to itself for efficiency and privacy reasons, then imagine what a government's AI could do. Especially if it is initially programmed in favour of the Government that created it but then it *learns* to ignore it. Or if there were a bug in its programming...could be an issue you never know...
[2024-01-23 16:14:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| Possibly. Although if Facebook's AI can make changes to itself for efficiency and privacy reasons, then imagine what a government's AI could do. Especially if it is initially programmed in favour of the Government that created it but then it *learns* to ignore it. Or if there were a bug in its programming...could be an issue you never know...
[2024-01-23 16:14:04] <Lucifer_arma> so there would have to be a unified intelligence or alliance of computerized beings that manage everything from the resource extraction, the entire supply chain, and the manufacturing
[2024-01-23 16:14:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so there would have to be a unified intelligence or alliance of computerized beings that manage everything from the resource extraction, the entire supply chain, and the manufacturing
[2024-01-23 16:15:38] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not sure the concept of bugs applies here.  A bug is when a deterministic algorithm fails.  AIs are powered by deterministic algorithms at the model level, but what an AI does is not deterministic
[2024-01-23 16:15:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm not sure the concept of bugs applies here.  A bug is when a deterministic algorithm fails.  AIs are powered by deterministic algorithms at the model level, but what an AI does is not deterministic
[2024-01-23 16:17:22] <Lucifer_arma> I think the biggest problem that AIs give us is that even in their state of artificiality, they're still capable of rendering large swathes of the workforce obsolete
[2024-01-23 16:17:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think the biggest problem that AIs give us is that even in their state of artificiality, they're still capable of rendering large swathes of the workforce obsolete
[2024-01-23 16:17:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| maybe or maybe not. if looking at biological computing, i believe that animals of some sort could be created and have their "programming" altered. I guess it comes down to our scientific/religious beliefs. it fundamentally depends on what animals with a CNS really are. IMO, animals are just things with a CNS and their genetics is their programming.
[2024-01-23 16:17:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| maybe or maybe not. if looking at biological computing, i believe that animals of some sort could be created and have their "programming" altered. I guess it comes down to our scientific/religious beliefs. it fundamentally depends on what animals with a CNS really are. IMO, animals are just things with a CNS and their genetics is their programming.
[2024-01-23 16:18:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| "bug" depends on what definition you follow
[2024-01-23 16:18:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| "bug" depends on what definition you follow
[2024-01-23 16:18:28] <Lucifer_arma> and since we have this culture that basically says that anybody who isn't working is unnecessary, we're about to have a lot of people who are unnecessary
[2024-01-23 16:18:28] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and since we have this culture that basically says that anybody who isn't working is unnecessary, we're about to have a lot of people who are unnecessary
[2024-01-23 16:18:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes i agree
[2024-01-23 16:18:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yes i agree
[2024-01-23 16:18:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| amazon are supposed to be replacing humans with drones arent they?
[2024-01-23 16:18:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| amazon are supposed to be replacing humans with drones arent they?
[2024-01-23 16:19:02] <Lucifer_arma> we have to shift to a way of thinking where people don't have to work anymore, and they don't have to be rich to deserve to live decent lives even without working
[2024-01-23 16:19:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we have to shift to a way of thinking where people don't have to work anymore, and they don't have to be rich to deserve to live decent lives even without working
[2024-01-23 16:19:25] <Lucifer_arma> (we're already okay with having a class of ultra-rich people who don't do any work or contribute meaningfully to society)
[2024-01-23 16:19:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| (we're already okay with having a class of ultra-rich people who don't do any work or contribute meaningfully to society)
[2024-01-23 16:19:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if people could all get on that would be fine but people often dont get on
[2024-01-23 16:19:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| if people could all get on that would be fine but people often dont get on
[2024-01-23 16:20:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| technology should be there to improve lives but instead, in our capitalist world, it's there to make cash at the expense of the many
[2024-01-23 16:20:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| technology should be there to improve lives but instead, in our capitalist world, it's there to make cash at the expense of the many
[2024-01-23 16:21:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i dont see that changing
[2024-01-23 16:21:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i dont see that changing
[2024-01-23 16:22:32] <Lucifer_arma> well, it's a bit more complicated than that.  Technology does improve lives all across the board.  We're in more of a grey area
[2024-01-23 16:22:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, it's a bit more complicated than that.  Technology does improve lives all across the board.  We're in more of a grey area
[2024-01-23 16:22:45] <Lucifer_arma> but capitalism is one of the biggest threats to our existence right now
[2024-01-23 16:22:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but capitalism is one of the biggest threats to our existence right now
[2024-01-23 16:22:55] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it does in many ways
[2024-01-23 16:22:56] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| it does in many ways
[2024-01-23 16:23:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| here where i live, we have good tech but still many people are homeless
[2024-01-23 16:23:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| here where i live, we have good tech but still many people are homeless
[2024-01-23 16:23:46] <Lucifer_arma> the homeless population in the western world is getting bigger.  If I don't find some money soon, I may be joining them.  :/
[2024-01-23 16:23:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the homeless population in the western world is getting bigger.  If I don't find some money soon, I may be joining them.  :/
[2024-01-23 16:24:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| one of our politicians said "homelessness is a lifestyle choice and charities  that help homeless people should be punished". That speaks for itself i think
[2024-01-23 16:24:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| one of our politicians said "homelessness is a lifestyle choice and charities  that help homeless people should be punished". That speaks for itself i think
[2024-01-23 16:24:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sorry to hear that lucifer
[2024-01-23 16:24:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| sorry to hear that lucifer
[2024-01-23 16:25:46] <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking about resurrecting the gofundme I made a long time ago, but being an introvert, I just don't know that many people.  :/
[2024-01-23 16:25:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm thinking about resurrecting the gofundme I made a long time ago, but being an introvert, I just don't know that many people.  :/
[2024-01-23 16:26:49] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm basically in the same trap that most people are in in the western world, particularly in the US.  I work full-time in a so-called professional job, but it doesn't pay enough to cover cost of living
[2024-01-23 16:26:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I'm basically in the same trap that most people are in in the western world, particularly in the US.  I work full-time in a so-called professional job, but it doesn't pay enough to cover cost of living
[2024-01-23 16:27:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| You're an introvert? that surprises me, you seem outgoing...however online its always hard to tell how people really are
[2024-01-23 16:27:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| You're an introvert? that surprises me, you seem outgoing...however online its always hard to tell how people really are
[2024-01-23 16:27:14] <Lucifer_arma> the company I work for trades on nasdaq for around $900+
[2024-01-23 16:27:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the company I work for trades on nasdaq for around $900+
[2024-01-23 16:27:24] <Lucifer_arma> I'm an outgoing introvert.  :)
[2024-01-23 16:27:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm an outgoing introvert.  :)
[2024-01-23 16:27:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah no offence but your country is even more fucked than mine...and mine is fucked!
[2024-01-23 16:27:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah no offence but your country is even more fucked than mine...and mine is fucked!
[2024-01-23 16:27:53] <Lucifer_arma> so the company is driven by the capitalist class, the shareholders, and treats people as a cost to be controlled and minimized
[2024-01-23 16:27:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so the company is driven by the capitalist class, the shareholders, and treats people as a cost to be controlled and minimized
[2024-01-23 16:28:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| many do nowadasy
[2024-01-23 16:28:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| many do nowadasy
[2024-01-23 16:28:11] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| same here
[2024-01-23 16:28:11] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| same here
[2024-01-23 16:28:17] <Lucifer_arma> so even though they have more than enough money to bump everybody up by $5/hr or so, they won't because of how it screws with their bottom line
[2024-01-23 16:28:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so even though they have more than enough money to bump everybody up by $5/hr or so, they won't because of how it screws with their bottom line
[2024-01-23 16:28:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah its the same here really
[2024-01-23 16:28:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah its the same here really
[2024-01-23 16:29:20] <Lucifer_arma> I was told by the capitalist class that the free market is supposed to include a competitive wage market.  Wages are supposed to trend up while prices trend down, due to competition for talent
[2024-01-23 16:29:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was told by the capitalist class that the free market is supposed to include a competitive wage market.  Wages are supposed to trend up while prices trend down, due to competition for talent
[2024-01-23 16:29:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the only way is to be self-employed or to own a company
[2024-01-23 16:29:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| the only way is to be self-employed or to own a company
[2024-01-23 16:30:19] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but Landru is a ways out from being able to provide me with income, and I only just started the youtube channel.  If the youtube channel is going to get me where I need to be, it's too late for now.  Rent is due next week.
[2024-01-23 16:30:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, but Landru is a ways out from being able to provide me with income, and I only just started the youtube channel.  If the youtube channel is going to get me where I need to be, it's too late for now.  Rent is due next week.
[2024-01-23 16:30:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| have you ever considered going self-employed?
[2024-01-23 16:30:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| have you ever considered going self-employed?
[2024-01-23 16:30:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh fuck
[2024-01-23 16:30:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh fuck
[2024-01-23 16:30:43] <Lucifer_arma> ironically, when I first got involved with armagetron, I was self-employed
[2024-01-23 16:30:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ironically, when I first got involved with armagetron, I was self-employed
[2024-01-23 16:31:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| did life hit hard or something?
[2024-01-23 16:31:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| did life hit hard or something?
[2024-01-23 16:31:20] <Lucifer_arma> see, here's a fun issue.  Let's say that 10k people watch my one youtube video and all buy my book before the end of the month
[2024-01-23 16:31:20] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| see, here's a fun issue.  Let's say that 10k people watch my one youtube video and all buy my book before the end of the month
[2024-01-23 16:31:31] <Lucifer_arma> I won't get those royalties until March
[2024-01-23 16:31:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I won't get those royalties until March
[2024-01-23 16:31:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok
[2024-01-23 16:31:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ok
[2024-01-23 16:32:05] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I got divorced, and the 2008 recession hit.  I was basically homeless for a couple of years, but I had people who could help
[2024-01-23 16:32:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, I got divorced, and the 2008 recession hit.  I was basically homeless for a couple of years, but I had people who could help
[2024-01-23 16:32:24] <Lucifer_arma> then I got married again and was ok, but about two years ago I moved out and got divorced again
[2024-01-23 16:32:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| then I got married again and was ok, but about two years ago I moved out and got divorced again
[2024-01-23 16:32:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh
[2024-01-23 16:32:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| oh
[2024-01-23 16:32:48] <Lucifer_arma> My son and I moved into this place, but he moved out about a year ago.  Then I had a roommate.
[2024-01-23 16:32:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| My son and I moved into this place, but he moved out about a year ago.  Then I had a roommate.
[2024-01-23 16:33:07] <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing well, but in the meantime, I also picked up addiction, which is a chronic condition :/
[2024-01-23 16:33:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've been doing well, but in the meantime, I also picked up addiction, which is a chronic condition :/
[2024-01-23 16:33:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| addiction is hell, ive seen it dont worry
[2024-01-23 16:33:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| addiction is hell, ive seen it dont worry
[2024-01-23 16:33:32] <Lucifer_arma> My roommate moved out in December, and I tightened up my spending to see if I can support myself without a roommate
[2024-01-23 16:33:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| My roommate moved out in December, and I tightened up my spending to see if I can support myself without a roommate
[2024-01-23 16:33:55] <Lucifer_arma> as of right now, it looks like I have my answer.  I need $500-$700 more than I have to make rent for next month.
[2024-01-23 16:33:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| as of right now, it looks like I have my answer.  I need $500-$700 more than I have to make rent for next month.
[2024-01-23 16:34:14] <Lucifer_arma> I've been looking for side jobs, because I'm in the automotive industry again, but I just haven't found any takers.
[2024-01-23 16:34:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've been looking for side jobs, because I'm in the automotive industry again, but I just haven't found any takers.
[2024-01-23 16:34:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its tough
[2024-01-23 16:34:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its tough
[2024-01-23 16:35:30] <Lucifer_arma> the way patreon pays, if I understand correctly, if enough people join my patreon in the next week, I could make rent for next month
[2024-01-23 16:35:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the way patreon pays, if I understand correctly, if enough people join my patreon in the next week, I could make rent for next month
[2024-01-23 16:36:04] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| hang on, how much is your rent that's a lot
[2024-01-23 16:36:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| hang on, how much is your rent that's a lot
[2024-01-23 16:36:33] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean, my gf and i own this house now and our mortgage is cheap. rent would be double though
[2024-01-23 16:36:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i mean, my gf and i own this house now and our mortgage is cheap. rent would be double though
[2024-01-23 16:36:35] <Lucifer_arma> haha.  My rent is $1200
[2024-01-23 16:36:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| haha.  My rent is $1200
[2024-01-23 16:36:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| fuck
[2024-01-23 16:36:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| fuck
[2024-01-23 16:36:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| our mortage is 360
[2024-01-23 16:36:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| our mortage is 360
[2024-01-23 16:37:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| going up to 435 soon
[2024-01-23 16:37:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| going up to 435 soon
[2024-01-23 16:37:03] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 3 bed house
[2024-01-23 16:37:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| 3 bed house
[2024-01-23 16:37:07] <Lucifer_arma> I barely make about $1k on a paycheck, on a good payday.
[2024-01-23 16:37:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I barely make about $1k on a paycheck, on a good payday.
[2024-01-23 16:37:13] <Lucifer_arma> You're in the UK, aren't you?
[2024-01-23 16:37:13] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| You're in the UK, aren't you?
[2024-01-23 16:37:13] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| thats shit
[2024-01-23 16:37:14] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| thats shit
[2024-01-23 16:37:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah
[2024-01-23 16:37:16] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| yeah
[2024-01-23 16:37:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we live in a less affluent area to keep costs down
[2024-01-23 16:37:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| we live in a less affluent area to keep costs down
[2024-01-23 16:37:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but of course then there are less prospects
[2024-01-23 16:37:55] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but of course then there are less prospects
[2024-01-23 16:37:56] <Lucifer_arma> I'm in one of the most expensive metro areas in the US.  Austin, TX
[2024-01-23 16:37:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm in one of the most expensive metro areas in the US.  Austin, TX
[2024-01-23 16:38:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i knew you were in texas,
[2024-01-23 16:38:15] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i knew you were in texas,
[2024-01-23 16:38:26] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| that sounds expensive
[2024-01-23 16:38:26] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| that sounds expensive
[2024-01-23 16:38:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| is moving or downsizing not an option? i know itss not ideal
[2024-01-23 16:38:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| is moving or downsizing not an option? i know itss not ideal
[2024-01-23 16:39:03] <Lucifer_arma> what's worse, I live in an income controlled apartment.  I live in an apartment complex that exists to house poor people, and I can't afford it, haha
[2024-01-23 16:39:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| what's worse, I live in an income controlled apartment.  I live in an apartment complex that exists to house poor people, and I can't afford it, haha
[2024-01-23 16:39:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| on man thats bad
[2024-01-23 16:39:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| on man thats bad
[2024-01-23 16:39:25] <Lucifer_arma> if I could move into a one bedroom in this same complex, I'd only save $100/month
[2024-01-23 16:39:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I could move into a one bedroom in this same complex, I'd only save $100/month
[2024-01-23 16:39:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| whta
[2024-01-23 16:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| whta
[2024-01-23 16:39:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| thats crap
[2024-01-23 16:39:48] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| thats crap
[2024-01-23 16:40:33] <Lucifer_arma> for several decades, this was a unique Austin problem, but it's all over the country now.  They're building massive new luxury apartments, but they're not building them fast enough to keep up with population growth
[2024-01-23 16:40:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| for several decades, this was a unique Austin problem, but it's all over the country now.  They're building massive new luxury apartments, but they're not building them fast enough to keep up with population growth
[2024-01-23 16:40:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| same here.
[2024-01-23 16:40:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| same here.
[2024-01-23 16:40:53] <Lucifer_arma> and because they're building luxury apartments, rents are easily $2k-$5k/month in new developments
[2024-01-23 16:40:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and because they're building luxury apartments, rents are easily $2k-$5k/month in new developments
[2024-01-23 16:41:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah bot has popped id better go play. ill read this after though
[2024-01-23 16:41:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| ah bot has popped id better go play. ill read this after though
[2024-01-23 16:41:06] <Lucifer_arma> so supply and demand kick in
[2024-01-23 16:41:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so supply and demand kick in
[2024-01-23 16:41:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its same here, they build on anything
[2024-01-23 16:41:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| its same here, they build on anything
[2024-01-23 16:42:43] <Lucifer_arma> if I could get 500 people to join my patreon for $1/month, I'd be fine
[2024-01-23 16:42:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I could get 500 people to join my patreon for $1/month, I'd be fine
[2024-01-23 16:52:40] <Lucifer_arma> Make it 200 people to join at Rookie level, which is $3/month
[2024-01-23 16:52:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Make it 200 people to join at Rookie level, which is $3/month
[2024-01-23 16:59:22] <Lucifer_arma> https://patreon.com/davefancella?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=join_link  <--- I need someone to click that link and verify that it's possible to join, even if you don't join.
[2024-01-23 16:59:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| https://patreon.com/davefancella?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=join_link  <--- I need someone to click that link and verify that it's possible to join, even if you don't join.
[2024-01-23 17:27:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Link appears to work correctly.
[2024-01-23 17:27:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:sine.wav| Link appears to work correctly.
[2024-01-23 17:30:25] <Lucifer_arma> thank you.  Now, I guess, I need to make more content.  It's a bit of a hail mary trying to get enough to pay rent next month, but I've exhausted every other avenue (still waiting to see if I get any roommate applications, though)
[2024-01-23 17:30:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| thank you.  Now, I guess, I need to make more content.  It's a bit of a hail mary trying to get enough to pay rent next month, but I've exhausted every other avenue (still waiting to see if I get any roommate applications, though)
[2024-01-23 17:31:24] <Lucifer_arma> I'm also going to try to sell my scooter, but with it not running, I don't think I can get enough for it.  :/
[2024-01-23 17:31:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm also going to try to sell my scooter, but with it not running, I don't think I can get enough for it.  :/
[2024-01-23 17:33:01] <Lucifer_arma> but I was able to put that first video together quickly enough that if I work real hard at it, and I can get better on camera, I can actually produce videos pretty quickly
[2024-01-23 17:33:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but I was able to put that first video together quickly enough that if I work real hard at it, and I can get better on camera, I can actually produce videos pretty quickly
[2024-01-23 17:39:53] <Lucifer_arma> before anybody asks, in order for a video to be monetized in the first place, you have to have three uploads in the past 90 days, 1000 or more watch hours, and like 500 subscribers
[2024-01-23 17:39:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| before anybody asks, in order for a video to be monetized in the first place, you have to have three uploads in the past 90 days, 1000 or more watch hours, and like 500 subscribers
[2024-01-23 17:40:21] <Lucifer_arma> so right now, just watching is helpful to reach that 1000 watch hour figure, but if there are no subscribers coming out of it, that's all it does
[2024-01-23 17:40:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so right now, just watching is helpful to reach that 1000 watch hour figure, but if there are no subscribers coming out of it, that's all it does
[2024-01-23 18:12:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| you can rebuild an entire scooter in afternoon
[2024-01-23 18:12:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| you can rebuild an entire scooter in afternoon
[2024-01-23 18:12:16] <Lucifer_arma> if you have parts to rebuild with....
[2024-01-23 18:12:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if you have parts to rebuild with....
[2024-01-23 18:12:38] <Lucifer_arma> assuming we're talking about the same kind of scooter, too.  This is a 50cc honda metropolitan
[2024-01-23 18:12:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| assuming we're talking about the same kind of scooter, too.  This is a 50cc honda metropolitan
[2024-01-23 18:14:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| ah 4-stroke.. i rent a shop with friends and have all parts i could ever need on deck. parts are pretty inexpensive and easy to source as long as you know what you need
[2024-01-23 18:14:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| ah 4-stroke.. i rent a shop with friends and have all parts i could ever need on deck. parts are pretty inexpensive and easy to source as long as you know what you need
[2024-01-23 18:20:57] <Lucifer_arma> where are you?  Because when I priced a timing chain with guides, it was like $100 and would take a week or more to get here
[2024-01-23 18:20:57] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| where are you?  Because when I priced a timing chain with guides, it was like $100 and would take a week or more to get here
[2024-01-23 18:21:34] <Lucifer_arma> it's not a gy6 scooter, despite the myth that honda designed the gy6 motor
[2024-01-23 18:21:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's not a gy6 scooter, despite the myth that honda designed the gy6 motor
[2024-01-23 18:25:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| a timing chain was $100? no shot, i'd keep looking
[2024-01-23 18:25:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| a timing chain was $100? no shot, i'd keep looking
[2024-01-23 18:25:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| im east coast usa but i pretty much exclusively work on vintage 2 stroke dirtbikes and mopeds
[2024-01-23 18:25:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| im east coast usa but i pretty much exclusively work on vintage 2 stroke dirtbikes and mopeds
[2024-01-23 18:32:10] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i used to ride a 80cc honda vision i think it was called
[2024-01-23 18:32:10] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| i used to ride a 80cc honda vision i think it was called
[2024-01-23 18:32:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| this is a long time ago tho
[2024-01-23 18:32:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| this is a long time ago tho
[2024-01-23 18:32:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but yeah, parts here arent that pricey
[2024-01-23 18:32:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:monkey_arma| but yeah, parts here arent that pricey
[2024-01-23 18:41:24] <Lucifer_arma> heh, I live in the center of the most car-centric state in the world :)
[2024-01-23 18:41:24] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heh, I live in the center of the most car-centric state in the world :)
[2024-01-23 18:41:59] <Lucifer_arma> I don't think I need a new timing chain, I think I just need to dissamble the rear of the motor and get the timing chain back on correctly
[2024-01-23 18:41:59] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't think I need a new timing chain, I think I just need to dissamble the rear of the motor and get the timing chain back on correctly
[2024-01-23 18:42:23] <Lucifer_arma> but there's so little room and my hands are so big, I pretty much have to drop the motor.  Living in an apartment, in winter, that means doing it outside in the cold and wet
[2024-01-23 18:42:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but there's so little room and my hands are so big, I pretty much have to drop the motor.  Living in an apartment, in winter, that means doing it outside in the cold and wet
[2024-01-23 18:43:48] <Lucifer_arma> what I did was, I replaced the head gasket, because there was coolant getting into the cylinder.  But it's not like a car at all.  I've done numerous timing belts (I was a professional mechanic).  In a car, the crankshaft doesn't really turn when you're hanging a new belt.  Nor does the camshaft(s).
[2024-01-23 18:43:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| what I did was, I replaced the head gasket, because there was coolant getting into the cylinder.  But it's not like a car at all.  I've done numerous timing belts (I was a professional mechanic).  In a car, the crankshaft doesn't really turn when you're hanging a new belt.  Nor does the camshaft(s).
[2024-01-23 18:44:02] <Lucifer_arma> in this little thing, though, if you look at it funny, the crankshaft turns ninety degrees
[2024-01-23 18:44:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| in this little thing, though, if you look at it funny, the crankshaft turns ninety degrees
[2024-01-23 18:44:44] <Lucifer_arma> I might not have to drop the motor if I can figure out how to keep the crankshaft from turning
[2024-01-23 18:44:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I might not have to drop the motor if I can figure out how to keep the crankshaft from turning
[2024-01-23 18:44:55] <Lucifer_arma> it's a non-interference motor, so I haven't damaged the valves by fiddling with it
[2024-01-23 18:44:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's a non-interference motor, so I haven't damaged the valves by fiddling with it
[2024-01-23 18:45:34] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I've outlined the replicator video.  I need to run to the store and take some pics of the scooter (if there's still enough light), but I guess I'm shooting after that
[2024-01-23 18:45:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I've outlined the replicator video.  I need to run to the store and take some pics of the scooter (if there's still enough light), but I guess I'm shooting after that
[2024-01-23 18:46:16] <Lucifer_arma> I also need to be adding some sort of visuals to each new video so I can build up the skills to make the videos I really want to make
[2024-01-23 18:46:16] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also need to be adding some sort of visuals to each new video so I can build up the skills to make the videos I really want to make
[2024-01-23 18:49:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Use a piston stop
[2024-01-23 18:49:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Use a piston stop
[2024-01-23 19:02:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Metal dowel screws into spark plug threads and freezes the piston and consequently the crankshaft. Once the engines rotates and hits it will be fixed in place.
[2024-01-23 19:02:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Metal dowel screws into spark plug threads and freezes the piston and consequently the crankshaft. Once the engines rotates and hits it will be fixed in place.
[2024-01-23 19:05:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| You could probably even just use a regular bolt from an hardware store as long as it’s the same threading as your spark plug and deep enough to hit the piston at top dead center
[2024-01-23 19:05:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| You could probably even just use a regular bolt from an hardware store as long as it’s the same threading as your spark plug and deep enough to hit the piston at top dead center
[2024-01-23 19:12:21] <Lucifer_arma> that'll only prevent the piston from moving in one direction.  It can still easily move the other direction.  I'll figure something out, don't worry.  It's not an unsolvable problem, it's just the problem I have that I haven't really tried to solve yet
[2024-01-23 19:12:22] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that'll only prevent the piston from moving in one direction.  It can still easily move the other direction.  I'll figure something out, don't worry.  It's not an unsolvable problem, it's just the problem I have that I haven't really tried to solve yet
[2024-01-23 19:13:17] <Lucifer_arma> also, if the piston is at top dead center, nothing from the spark plug hole can prevent it from moving in any direction, since that's the highest position the piston will reach, and the spark plug hole is on top of that
[2024-01-23 19:13:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| also, if the piston is at top dead center, nothing from the spark plug hole can prevent it from moving in any direction, since that's the highest position the piston will reach, and the spark plug hole is on top of that
[2024-01-23 19:15:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Ok then get one that goes to bottom dead center? Then it’s stuck
[2024-01-23 19:15:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| Ok then get one that goes to bottom dead center? Then it’s stuck
[2024-01-23 19:15:49] <Lucifer_arma> ah, the spark plug goes in from an oblique angle.  Also, that makes the timing marks on the camshaft useless
[2024-01-23 19:15:49] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ah, the spark plug goes in from an oblique angle.  Also, that makes the timing marks on the camshaft useless
[2024-01-23 19:16:28] <Lucifer_arma> there's a way to do it with a wrench on the crankshaft, I just have to work it out.  And since I have reason to believe there are issues with the timing chain guides, I need to drop the engine
[2024-01-23 19:16:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a way to do it with a wrench on the crankshaft, I just have to work it out.  And since I have reason to believe there are issues with the timing chain guides, I need to drop the engine
[2024-01-23 19:16:55] <Lucifer_arma> pulling the engine out changes everything in a Good Way, and there's only two bolts holding it in.  Well, three, since there's one on the rear strut, too
[2024-01-23 19:16:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| pulling the engine out changes everything in a Good Way, and there's only two bolts holding it in.  Well, three, since there's one on the rear strut, too
[2024-01-23 19:26:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:anjo3060| dropping the engine on a honda is usually the way anyway. all the honda hobbits ive worked on you need to drop the engine to even access the carburetor. infuriating design but worth it for the variated transmission
[2024-01-23 19:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| dropping the engine on a honda is usually the way anyway. all the honda hobbits ive worked on you need to drop the engine to even access the carburetor. infuriating design but worth it for the variated transmission
[2024-01-23 19:51:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:xobsile| @morbit
[2024-01-23 19:51:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:xobsile| @morbit
[2024-01-23 19:51:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:xobsile| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1199516811079729162/image.png?ex=65c2d415&is=65b05f15&hm=79648cf0a73cf821d9e3c10154660c728f485c34f97a75a8ff71e6a97f63c3d0&
[2024-01-23 19:51:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:xobsile| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1199516811079729162/image.png?ex=65c2d415&is=65b05f15&hm=79648cf0a73cf821d9e3c10154660c728f485c34f97a75a8ff71e6a97f63c3d0&
[2024-01-23 19:51:38] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:xobsile| https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629
[2024-01-23 19:51:38] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:xobsile| https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629
[2024-01-23 21:38:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| lmao
[2024-01-23 21:38:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| lmao
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