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[2024-05-14 00:05:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Wasn't someone doing a video using recordings of everyone playing on the keyboard or something like that? Don't know if you would know or if it got finished
[2024-05-14 00:05:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Wasn't someone doing a video using recordings of everyone playing on the keyboard or something like that? Don't know if you would know or if it got finished
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[2024-05-14 01:26:29] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| it was wild goose and it was for a joke video
[2024-05-14 01:26:30] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| it was wild goose and it was for a joke video
[2024-05-14 01:26:55] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i think its on koalas youtube channel somewhere
[2024-05-14 01:26:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| i think its on koalas youtube channel somewhere
[2024-05-14 01:31:02] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh gotcha
[2024-05-14 01:31:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh gotcha
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[2024-05-14 02:54:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| This is a very cool video i've never seen this before
[2024-05-14 02:54:32] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| This is a very cool video i've never seen this before
[2024-05-14 02:54:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| We're approaching 1000 members here. We should do something to celebrate
[2024-05-14 02:54:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| We're approaching 1000 members here. We should do something to celebrate
[2024-05-14 03:04:46] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| 1000 members yet we can barely get 3 teams for ladle
[2024-05-14 03:04:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| 1000 members yet we can barely get 3 teams for ladle
[2024-05-14 03:13:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a degree of critical thinking reveals why that is
[2024-05-14 03:13:53] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| a degree of critical thinking reveals why that is
[2024-05-14 03:14:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and why yellow sub gets daily new players
[2024-05-14 03:14:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| and why yellow sub gets daily new players
[2024-05-14 03:14:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the same reason people message me asking to be on a team with me in TST despite me being objectively not amazing
[2024-05-14 03:14:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| the same reason people message me asking to be on a team with me in TST despite me being objectively not amazing
[2024-05-14 03:22:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| concepts and issues mostly revolving around
[2024-05-14 03:22:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| concepts and issues mostly revolving around
[2024-05-14 03:22:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 1. Community engagement (I get the feeling some people want this to remain a small low key venture)
[2024-05-14 03:22:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 1. Community engagement (I get the feeling some people want this to remain a small low key venture)
[2024-05-14 03:22:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2. Bridging the skill gap (Helping new players get good potentially dethrones the current dominant parties)
[2024-05-14 03:22:13] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2. Bridging the skill gap (Helping new players get good potentially dethrones the current dominant parties)
[2024-05-14 03:22:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3. Visibility and Marketing (The last few months have had little to no messaging either internal or external)
[2024-05-14 03:22:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3. Visibility and Marketing (The last few months have had little to no messaging either internal or external)
[2024-05-14 03:22:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 4. Game Mode (Fortress sucks - or rather - it sucks for everyone except seasoned veterans)
[2024-05-14 03:22:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 4. Game Mode (Fortress sucks - or rather - it sucks for everyone except seasoned veterans)
[2024-05-14 03:22:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 5. Rewards and Incentives (Why should new players even play to win? What's the point?)
[2024-05-14 03:22:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 5. Rewards and Incentives (Why should new players even play to win? What's the point?)
[2024-05-14 03:22:18] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 6. Retention (Similar concept to engagement, but post play instead of pre play. What feedback mechanisms are we lacking?)
[2024-05-14 03:22:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 6. Retention (Similar concept to engagement, but post play instead of pre play. What feedback mechanisms are we lacking?)
[2024-05-14 03:22:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Big hard questions. I know. Not expecting any immediate answers
[2024-05-14 03:22:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Big hard questions. I know. Not expecting any immediate answers
[2024-05-14 03:28:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Also whilst im on the topic why is it that Ladle (a monthly tourney) is the peak of competition? Why dont we have a seasonal league that results in a yearly (maybe even bi yearly) championship? I just dont think ladle has the gravitas that the peak deserves
[2024-05-14 03:28:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Also whilst im on the topic why is it that Ladle (a monthly tourney) is the peak of competition? Why dont we have a seasonal league that results in a yearly (maybe even bi yearly) championship? I just dont think ladle has the gravitas that the peak deserves
[2024-05-14 03:53:19] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| it was not a serious remark
[2024-05-14 03:53:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| it was not a serious remark
[2024-05-14 03:54:04] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| but there's a good portion of duplicate/alt accounts
[2024-05-14 03:54:04] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| but there's a good portion of duplicate/alt accounts
[2024-05-14 03:55:28] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| and plenty of accounts which were almost certainly temporary accounts that are now inaccessible
[2024-05-14 03:55:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| and plenty of accounts which were almost certainly temporary accounts that are now inaccessible
[2024-05-14 03:59:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you missed my point almost entirely
[2024-05-14 03:59:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| you missed my point almost entirely
[2024-05-14 04:00:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you might not have been serious but i am
[2024-05-14 04:00:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| you might not have been serious but i am
[2024-05-14 04:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im not going to pretend like there are no new players and that theyre all just alts of OG players lol
[2024-05-14 04:00:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| im not going to pretend like there are no new players and that theyre all just alts of OG players lol
[2024-05-14 04:01:18] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| that's not what i said
[2024-05-14 04:01:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| that's not what i said
[2024-05-14 04:48:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| @syn_acc I think one of the big issues is lack of accessibility tron as it is. If someone has found this game and they load it up they see an empty game aside from a few guys that play sub. Lately I've been on public sumo a lot this weekend even if I'm the only one on for a few and as far as I can tell it's encouraged more people to play sumo. As a new player I might not get the  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 04:48:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| @syn_acc I think one of the big issues is lack of accessibility tron as it is. If someone has found this game and they load it up they see an empty game aside from a few guys that play sub. Lately I've been on public sumo a lot this weekend even if I'm the only one on for a few and as far as I can tell it's encouraged more people to play sumo. As a new player I might not get the  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 04:48:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| whole discord thing, once passed that the pickup games are intimidating if I have little to no skill compared to the regulars, then fort is even more difficult to pick up and no one wants to coach it. Ladle is going to die then fort if no one is willing to play some public fort and teach people how to get good at it.
[2024-05-14 04:48:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| whole discord thing, once passed that the pickup games are intimidating if I have little to no skill compared to the regulars, then fort is even more difficult to pick up and no one wants to coach it. Ladle is going to die then fort if no one is willing to play some public fort and teach people how to get good at it.
[2024-05-14 05:51:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now one of the issues I see is that fort is a team sport, you can't really play until you have I would say at least 4-6 people and even then regular fort players are used to 6v6 so 3v3 to them probably isn't worth hanging out messing around till new players hop. So what would be a minimum player count for a game of like mini fort? Then you would need at least that many regulars p <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 05:51:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now one of the issues I see is that fort is a team sport, you can't really play until you have I would say at least 4-6 people and even then regular fort players are used to 6v6 so 3v3 to them probably isn't worth hanging out messing around till new players hop. So what would be a minimum player count for a game of like mini fort? Then you would need at least that many regulars p <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 05:51:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| laying public and showing new players the ropes. Our regulars just aren't interested in any of that but maybe if a few of us would be willing to do it just for the sake of keeping tron alive in general, maybe a few newer players interested in learning more tron (like me) and a couple experienced players
[2024-05-14 05:51:39] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| laying public and showing new players the ropes. Our regulars just aren't interested in any of that but maybe if a few of us would be willing to do it just for the sake of keeping tron alive in general, maybe a few newer players interested in learning more tron (like me) and a couple experienced players
[2024-05-14 05:52:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Even a group of 4-6 we could do some practice defending and attacking in public
[2024-05-14 05:52:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Even a group of 4-6 we could do some practice defending and attacking in public
[2024-05-14 06:15:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| thats why im interested in something like a weekly/biweekly league that can dual in purpose for allowing skill based matchmaking at the higher levels and less intimidating play at the lower levels
[2024-05-14 06:15:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| thats why im interested in something like a weekly/biweekly league that can dual in purpose for allowing skill based matchmaking at the higher levels and less intimidating play at the lower levels
[2024-05-14 06:15:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| thinking along the lines of english football (soccer) where the leagues range from a typical sunday league that I could join now all the way up to the premier league
[2024-05-14 06:15:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| thinking along the lines of english football (soccer) where the leagues range from a typical sunday league that I could join now all the way up to the premier league
[2024-05-14 06:16:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we have no association or federation that can actually take this kind of action though
[2024-05-14 06:16:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| we have no association or federation that can actually take this kind of action though
[2024-05-14 06:17:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i'm interested in financial incentives for players but understandably many of the veterans are staunch FOSS warriors. A tough one to balance
[2024-05-14 06:17:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i'm interested in financial incentives for players but understandably many of the veterans are staunch FOSS warriors. A tough one to balance
[2024-05-14 06:38:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| There's nowt wrong with someone offering a cash prize for a tournament they host, in fact it's already been done to great success. 
[2024-05-14 06:38:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| There's nowt wrong with someone offering a cash prize for a tournament they host, in fact it's already been done to great success. 
[2024-05-14 06:38:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| As for game modes, we've had plenty new players come through the door, get thrown in to fort pickup, and do just fine. I don't think it's so much the availability of game modes so much as it is the other point you mention - visibility. Everything is pickup at the moment, which is being used as a substitute for getting matches going. That was never the intention of pickup, it was  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 06:38:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| As for game modes, we've had plenty new players come through the door, get thrown in to fort pickup, and do just fine. I don't think it's so much the availability of game modes so much as it is the other point you mention - visibility. Everything is pickup at the moment, which is being used as a substitute for getting matches going. That was never the intention of pickup, it was  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 06:38:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| supposed to be a solution for EU players struggling with a lack of open games. Here, we have enough players that open servers should be the go-to solution, but the problem we have is patience. Not a lot of people willing to sit by themselves and maze alone for ten minutes whilst they wait for others to show up.
[2024-05-14 06:38:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| supposed to be a solution for EU players struggling with a lack of open games. Here, we have enough players that open servers should be the go-to solution, but the problem we have is patience. Not a lot of people willing to sit by themselves and maze alone for ten minutes whilst they wait for others to show up.
[2024-05-14 06:38:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Imo we need to incentivise pub sumo play more - perhaps we could have some sort of leaderboard competition by which the winner receives some sort of reward for being at the top of the board after a month or two. 
[2024-05-14 06:38:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Imo we need to incentivise pub sumo play more - perhaps we could have some sort of leaderboard competition by which the winner receives some sort of reward for being at the top of the board after a month or two. 
[2024-05-14 06:38:18] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, maybe a prize pot that we can all donate to? It'll never be huge amounts of money, but it might be a few beers. A little pot for US and perhaps a little pot for EU too.
[2024-05-14 06:38:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, maybe a prize pot that we can all donate to? It'll never be huge amounts of money, but it might be a few beers. A little pot for US and perhaps a little pot for EU too.
[2024-05-14 06:45:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Hard agree on all points here. I'd love to brainstorm ways to incentivise pub server play. A leaderboard is a great idea but doesn't stop the pros coming in when the server is already full and just wiping the floor with people and leaving. I'm not saying a leaderboard is a bad idea, but I think it should/could be supplemented with something that incentivises raw play time. Think  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 06:45:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Hard agree on all points here. I'd love to brainstorm ways to incentivise pub server play. A leaderboard is a great idea but doesn't stop the pros coming in when the server is already full and just wiping the floor with people and leaving. I'm not saying a leaderboard is a bad idea, but I think it should/could be supplemented with something that incentivises raw play time. Think  <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 06:45:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| social/organised games like WoW where hardcore raiders are incentivised towards other objectives besides raid logging. 
[2024-05-14 06:45:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| social/organised games like WoW where hardcore raiders are incentivised towards other objectives besides raid logging. 
[2024-05-14 06:45:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I'd suggest a cash pot for pub playtime if it wouldn't open another can of worms about fair evaluation/exploitation. 
[2024-05-14 06:45:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I'd suggest a cash pot for pub playtime if it wouldn't open another can of worms about fair evaluation/exploitation. 
[2024-05-14 06:45:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Some type of regular awards ceremony would be fantastic, requires us to circle back to some form of association though for somewhat objective measurement
[2024-05-14 06:45:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Some type of regular awards ceremony would be fantastic, requires us to circle back to some form of association though for somewhat objective measurement
[2024-05-14 06:45:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I'm interested in some type of award for best sportsperson that incentives playtime, engagement, guidance, as well as sportsmanship/respect in organised play
[2024-05-14 06:45:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I'm interested in some type of award for best sportsperson that incentives playtime, engagement, guidance, as well as sportsmanship/respect in organised play
[2024-05-14 07:21:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| yeah the actual measurement of performance is not easy to do in depth, hence Nanu's experiments with stats etcetera. However, the actual prize pot isn't really the point, its just the carrot on the stick. The real objective is just to get bodies in the server, which is how we used to get new players all the time. Once we have more activity, we can look at how newer players intera <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 07:21:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| yeah the actual measurement of performance is not easy to do in depth, hence Nanu's experiments with stats etcetera. However, the actual prize pot isn't really the point, its just the carrot on the stick. The real objective is just to get bodies in the server, which is how we used to get new players all the time. Once we have more activity, we can look at how newer players intera <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 07:21:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| ct with the playerbase and make any necessary adjustments as and when needed. 
[2024-05-14 07:21:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ct with the playerbase and make any necessary adjustments as and when needed. 
[2024-05-14 07:21:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| It's also worth noting that most of the existing playerbase are adults now, and not exactly young adults either. I'm in my thirties, some are a decade older still. We don't have the time or patience to spend more than, say, half an hour or an hour in a public server, which means there should ideally be some degree of turnover. That means the skill ceiling constantly changes, whic <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 07:21:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| It's also worth noting that most of the existing playerbase are adults now, and not exactly young adults either. I'm in my thirties, some are a decade older still. We don't have the time or patience to spend more than, say, half an hour or an hour in a public server, which means there should ideally be some degree of turnover. That means the skill ceiling constantly changes, whic <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 07:21:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| h could be very useful for newer players. idk, at thsi point I'm just spitballing
[2024-05-14 07:21:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| h could be very useful for newer players. idk, at thsi point I'm just spitballing
[2024-05-14 07:43:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Spitballing is the necessary first step and kinda all we can do at this stage
[2024-05-14 07:43:06] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Spitballing is the necessary first step and kinda all we can do at this stage
[2024-05-14 07:43:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| So diluting the discussion above seems like we're in agreement of at least 3 areas of improvement
[2024-05-14 07:43:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| So diluting the discussion above seems like we're in agreement of at least 3 areas of improvement
[2024-05-14 07:43:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 1. Enhancing the community experience
[2024-05-14 07:43:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 1. Enhancing the community experience
[2024-05-14 07:43:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2. Bridging the skill gap
[2024-05-14 07:43:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2. Bridging the skill gap
[2024-05-14 07:43:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3. Increasing both visibility and engagement
[2024-05-14 07:43:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3. Increasing both visibility and engagement
[2024-05-14 07:43:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| We've identified that the following can be used as practical levers to help these objectives
[2024-05-14 07:43:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| We've identified that the following can be used as practical levers to help these objectives
[2024-05-14 07:43:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 1. Cash prizes (For categories around but not explicitly performance)
[2024-05-14 07:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 1. Cash prizes (For categories around but not explicitly performance)
[2024-05-14 07:43:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2. Leaderboards
[2024-05-14 07:43:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2. Leaderboards
[2024-05-14 07:43:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3. Public server events
[2024-05-14 07:43:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3. Public server events
[2024-05-14 07:43:18] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| As well as a handful of levers not explicitly discussed here but ideas i've seen floating around here/the forums
[2024-05-14 07:43:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| As well as a handful of levers not explicitly discussed here but ideas i've seen floating around here/the forums
[2024-05-14 07:43:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| - Mentorship programmes
[2024-05-14 07:43:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| - Mentorship programmes
[2024-05-14 07:43:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| - Enhanced social presence
[2024-05-14 07:43:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| - Enhanced social presence
[2024-05-14 07:43:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| - Regular community meetups (virtual events not explicitly on the grid)
[2024-05-14 07:43:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| - Regular community meetups (virtual events not explicitly on the grid)
[2024-05-14 07:44:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Next step is to either develop the floating ideas or structure and formalise the practical ideas
[2024-05-14 07:44:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Next step is to either develop the floating ideas or structure and formalise the practical ideas
[2024-05-14 08:00:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think the biggest focus should be on getting bodies in server as was stated. I think that simplest way to do that would be to have a public fort group that will actually consistently get on public and play as no one wants to sit around by themselves and wait for people to join then the solution to that is to have a group that shows up every weekend or whenever on public servers <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 08:00:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think the biggest focus should be on getting bodies in server as was stated. I think that simplest way to do that would be to have a public fort group that will actually consistently get on public and play as no one wants to sit around by themselves and wait for people to join then the solution to that is to have a group that shows up every weekend or whenever on public servers <clipped message>
[2024-05-14 08:00:30] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT|  and invites new players to join them and teaches them how to play.
[2024-05-14 08:00:30] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT|  and invites new players to join them and teaches them how to play.
[2024-05-14 08:03:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| My thoughts on the leaderboard though. I think that simply awarding  a point for participating and then giving extra point for being on the winning team would incentivize people to both simply particip and to also try it
[2024-05-14 08:03:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| My thoughts on the leaderboard though. I think that simply awarding  a point for participating and then giving extra point for being on the winning team would incentivize people to both simply particip and to also try it
[2024-05-14 08:06:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| As for the cash prize pot in my opinion simply putting in a dollar would be a little enough that I think most people would consider it and suppose you had 10 to 20 people do that then its actually a decent size pot to try and win
[2024-05-14 08:06:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| As for the cash prize pot in my opinion simply putting in a dollar would be a little enough that I think most people would consider it and suppose you had 10 to 20 people do that then its actually a decent size pot to try and win
[2024-05-14 08:07:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now the question is is who is going to hold and organize the winnings / bets? Are people really going to be okay with simply sending a dollar to someone's cash app account or what's the deal?
[2024-05-14 08:07:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now the question is is who is going to hold and organize the winnings / bets? Are people really going to be okay with simply sending a dollar to someone's cash app account or what's the deal?
[2024-05-14 08:08:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| more than happy to create a pot of decent sized cash using my own funds if we can agree and formalize on a structure - plenty of trustworthy escrow-like platforms for this sort of application
[2024-05-14 08:08:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| more than happy to create a pot of decent sized cash using my own funds if we can agree and formalize on a structure - plenty of trustworthy escrow-like platforms for this sort of application
[2024-05-14 08:09:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i dont think thats a hard a question as structure
[2024-05-14 08:09:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i dont think thats a hard a question as structure
[2024-05-14 08:10:13] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well if they already have stuff designed for that then it's a good solution
[2024-05-14 08:10:13] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well if they already have stuff designed for that then it's a good solution
[2024-05-14 08:11:21] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If we can honestly establish a small group that will get this idea rolling then I too would be willing to add money to the pot but not a lot as I'm a broke bitch
[2024-05-14 08:11:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| If we can honestly establish a small group that will get this idea rolling then I too would be willing to add money to the pot but not a lot as I'm a broke bitch
[2024-05-14 08:14:09] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I honestly think that all the ideas are for nothing unless we have a group willing to play public fort. The new guys aren't just going to show up and figure it out on their own even if we do put up some leaderboard and cash prices and other incentives
[2024-05-14 08:14:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I honestly think that all the ideas are for nothing unless we have a group willing to play public fort. The new guys aren't just going to show up and figure it out on their own even if we do put up some leaderboard and cash prices and other incentives
[2024-05-14 08:14:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'm broke too but I can maybe stick a fiver in. The intent is not to make it a huge pot anyway, just to make it worth a couple beers
[2024-05-14 08:14:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I'm broke too but I can maybe stick a fiver in. The intent is not to make it a huge pot anyway, just to make it worth a couple beers
[2024-05-14 08:14:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i've internally committed to something around £100 a month for a structure i believe in and shows results
[2024-05-14 08:14:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i've internally committed to something around £100 a month for a structure i believe in and shows results
[2024-05-14 08:14:56] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya five is about what I had in mind
[2024-05-14 08:14:56] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya five is about what I had in mind
[2024-05-14 08:15:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| oh syn bb no, thats way too much. £20 at the very most
[2024-05-14 08:15:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| oh syn bb no, thats way too much. £20 at the very most
[2024-05-14 08:15:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whether thats one pot or a bunch of pots idc
[2024-05-14 08:15:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| whether thats one pot or a bunch of pots idc
[2024-05-14 08:15:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Actually yaknowwhat
[2024-05-14 08:15:32] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Actually yaknowwhat
[2024-05-14 08:15:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Like I said it's not a problem you can throw money at we need people willing to play that know how to play
[2024-05-14 08:15:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Like I said it's not a problem you can throw money at we need people willing to play that know how to play
[2024-05-14 08:16:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| @zbig if I can get your leaderboard script, I can put up two sumobars for this very purpose today. Then I can wipe it on, say, a monthly basis, and we can have a little go at it every month
[2024-05-14 08:16:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| @zbig if I can get your leaderboard script, I can put up two sumobars for this very purpose today. Then I can wipe it on, say, a monthly basis, and we can have a little go at it every month
[2024-05-14 08:16:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so focusing specifically on the cash prize then
[2024-05-14 08:16:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| so focusing specifically on the cash prize then
[2024-05-14 08:16:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| where
[2024-05-14 08:16:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| where
[2024-05-14 08:16:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| -- we need servers + config that supports the mission
[2024-05-14 08:16:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| -- we need servers + config that supports the mission
[2024-05-14 08:16:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| what
[2024-05-14 08:16:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| what
[2024-05-14 08:16:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| -- we need some algorithm that collates variables that we agree can be used in a fair manner
[2024-05-14 08:16:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| -- we need some algorithm that collates variables that we agree can be used in a fair manner
[2024-05-14 08:16:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| how
[2024-05-14 08:16:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| how
[2024-05-14 08:16:49] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| -- how will we measure and publicly display progress? some type of site/table/graph
[2024-05-14 08:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| -- how will we measure and publicly display progress? some type of site/table/graph
[2024-05-14 08:16:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| when
[2024-05-14 08:16:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| when
[2024-05-14 08:16:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| -- obvious question
[2024-05-14 08:16:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| -- obvious question
[2024-05-14 08:19:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Servers are easy, I have the DC here, and a rack in a DC in DC. That covers EU and US, and we can split the pot between the two.
[2024-05-14 08:19:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Servers are easy, I have the DC here, and a rack in a DC in DC. That covers EU and US, and we can split the pot between the two.
[2024-05-14 08:19:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Algo is also easy, for the first month or two we can just take the topmost player on the leaderboard, and then revise how the leaderboard is measured as and when we need to. Right now it just measures the number of matches won.
[2024-05-14 08:19:25] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Algo is also easy, for the first month or two we can just take the topmost player on the leaderboard, and then revise how the leaderboard is measured as and when we need to. Right now it just measures the number of matches won.
[2024-05-14 08:19:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Public display is easy, I'll just plug it in to Rinzler, make a specific channel here, and have Rinzler pipe in an update whenever something interesting happens. 
[2024-05-14 08:19:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Public display is easy, I'll just plug it in to Rinzler, make a specific channel here, and have Rinzler pipe in an update whenever something interesting happens. 
[2024-05-14 08:19:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Timing? whenever we want, as soon as we can. I can put up servers today, and the Rinzler thing isn't hard either
[2024-05-14 08:19:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Timing? whenever we want, as soon as we can. I can put up servers today, and the Rinzler thing isn't hard either
[2024-05-14 08:20:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i like all of those except the algo
[2024-05-14 08:20:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i like all of those except the algo
[2024-05-14 08:20:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| number of matches won is easily exploitable at best and completely skill based at worst
[2024-05-14 08:20:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| number of matches won is easily exploitable at best and completely skill based at worst
[2024-05-14 08:20:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i want to avoid a scenario that essentially guarantees apple being able to win every month LOL
[2024-05-14 08:20:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i want to avoid a scenario that essentially guarantees apple being able to win every month LOL
[2024-05-14 08:20:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I can't handle the cash side fo things though, that will have to be someone else. I don't have access to Paypal, and I'm not set up with Stripe yet for the business. Once I am and have the infra, I can make a dedicated account that is publicly available, but until then someone else should take that mantle
[2024-05-14 08:20:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| I can't handle the cash side fo things though, that will have to be someone else. I don't have access to Paypal, and I'm not set up with Stripe yet for the business. Once I am and have the infra, I can make a dedicated account that is publicly available, but until then someone else should take that mantle
[2024-05-14 08:20:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, that's why we continue to revise it
[2024-05-14 08:20:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Well, that's why we continue to revise it
[2024-05-14 08:20:57] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think as much information should be displayed in server as possible
[2024-05-14 08:20:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think as much information should be displayed in server as possible
[2024-05-14 08:21:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Since some people don't like to mess with discord at all it shouldn't be a requirement to get involved
[2024-05-14 08:21:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Since some people don't like to mess with discord at all it shouldn't be a requirement to get involved
[2024-05-14 08:21:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Also apple vs koala? Koala wins.
[2024-05-14 08:21:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Also apple vs koala? Koala wins.
[2024-05-14 08:21:35] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Obviously if they're going to be putting in money into the pot we're going to have to go somewhere but some people will want to just show up and play regardless of the pot
[2024-05-14 08:21:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Obviously if they're going to be putting in money into the pot we're going to have to go somewhere but some people will want to just show up and play regardless of the pot
[2024-05-14 08:22:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, We'll need an extra webpage I think. I think that's best done on the Retrocycles domains
[2024-05-14 08:22:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, We'll need an extra webpage I think. I think that's best done on the Retrocycles domains
[2024-05-14 08:22:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I enjoyed kevins idea of a points based system that rewards both participation and victory
[2024-05-14 08:22:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I enjoyed kevins idea of a points based system that rewards both participation and victory
[2024-05-14 08:22:22] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| So split the pot amongst the top three?
[2024-05-14 08:22:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| So split the pot amongst the top three?
[2024-05-14 08:23:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| be a mighty small reward then. Maybe 50/30/20?
[2024-05-14 08:23:30] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| be a mighty small reward then. Maybe 50/30/20?
[2024-05-14 08:23:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if we get, say, fifty quid in the pot, that's at least a pint for all three
[2024-05-14 08:23:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| if we get, say, fifty quid in the pot, that's at least a pint for all three
[2024-05-14 08:23:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| half a pint in London
[2024-05-14 08:23:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| half a pint in London
[2024-05-14 08:25:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| happy to setup stripe connect. they have a very nice API
[2024-05-14 08:25:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| happy to setup stripe connect. they have a very nice API
[2024-05-14 08:25:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If you have the infra to do it, ya
[2024-05-14 08:25:53] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| If you have the infra to do it, ya
[2024-05-14 08:26:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| rn I'm mostly focused on getting integration with Ad working
[2024-05-14 08:26:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| rn I'm mostly focused on getting integration with Ad working
[2024-05-14 08:26:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| got a VPS in London but can spin them up wherever/whenever
[2024-05-14 08:26:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| got a VPS in London but can spin them up wherever/whenever
[2024-05-14 08:26:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| doesnt helpo that MS keeps fucking around with azure ad
[2024-05-14 08:26:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| doesnt helpo that MS keeps fucking around with azure ad
[2024-05-14 08:26:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| fk ad
[2024-05-14 08:26:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| fk ad
[2024-05-14 08:26:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| or entra ID or whatever it is now
[2024-05-14 08:26:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| or entra ID or whatever it is now
[2024-05-14 08:27:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ya I need a remote source to get it to work at all, but designing an agent that doesn't trip over itself and cause huge delays is frustating
[2024-05-14 08:27:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Ya I need a remote source to get it to work at all, but designing an agent that doesn't trip over itself and cause huge delays is frustating
[2024-05-14 08:27:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| can we revise the algo some more though
[2024-05-14 08:27:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| can we revise the algo some more though
[2024-05-14 08:27:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| whats the feasibility of setting up weight matches where 1 point is awarded to all players and 2 points to the winner
[2024-05-14 08:27:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whats the feasibility of setting up weight matches where 1 point is awarded to all players and 2 points to the winner
[2024-05-14 08:28:25] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Would it be at all possible to have the server automatically assign people to teams based on their leaderboard position?
[2024-05-14 08:28:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Would it be at all possible to have the server automatically assign people to teams based on their leaderboard position?
[2024-05-14 08:28:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, yeah. Honestly, I think we should start with whatever leaderboard solution we have already, and then modify it as we go, deploying it each month when consensus is reached. We should also have a hard and fast rule that no changes are deployed at any other time than the transition between one competition period and the next. Obvious, I know, but worth mentioning
[2024-05-14 08:28:30] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, yeah. Honestly, I think we should start with whatever leaderboard solution we have already, and then modify it as we go, deploying it each month when consensus is reached. We should also have a hard and fast rule that no changes are deployed at any other time than the transition between one competition period and the next. Obvious, I know, but worth mentioning
[2024-05-14 08:28:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So that it would prevent better players from teaming up and taking all the win.
[2024-05-14 08:28:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| So that it would prevent better players from teaming up and taking all the win.
[2024-05-14 08:28:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| This is single-player at the moment, but in the future it could be adapted to TST
[2024-05-14 08:28:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| This is single-player at the moment, but in the future it could be adapted to TST
[2024-05-14 08:30:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i just feel like if we start with not incentivising play but incentivising wins then we're doing nothing for the new player experience
[2024-05-14 08:30:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i just feel like if we start with not incentivising play but incentivising wins then we're doing nothing for the new player experience
[2024-05-14 08:30:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So have we turned this towards a TST idea? Originally I thought we were talking about fort. But really I'm just interested in whatever gets more people in public games
[2024-05-14 08:30:04] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| So have we turned this towards a TST idea? Originally I thought we were talking about fort. But really I'm just interested in whatever gets more people in public games
[2024-05-14 08:30:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| the people winning matches dont need convincing to stick around
[2024-05-14 08:30:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| the people winning matches dont need convincing to stick around
[2024-05-14 08:30:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| sumo bar to start with
[2024-05-14 08:30:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| sumo bar to start with
[2024-05-14 08:30:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Sumobar ya
[2024-05-14 08:30:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Sumobar ya
[2024-05-14 08:30:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| easiest to get going as a solo player
[2024-05-14 08:30:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| easiest to get going as a solo player
[2024-05-14 08:30:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and transitions well into organised play when theyre ready
[2024-05-14 08:30:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| and transitions well into organised play when theyre ready
[2024-05-14 08:30:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I agree there, we want people who aren't winning to be incintivised
[2024-05-14 08:30:49] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I agree there, we want people who aren't winning to be incintivised
[2024-05-14 08:31:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, that's why the changes will need to happen - but if we start with something we know functions, that makes the process of adapting it much quicker and gets the project off the ground. Starting from scratch is also a disincentivisation for the project as a whole, which is why I proposed we make this a regular, continually updated thing
[2024-05-14 08:31:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Ya, that's why the changes will need to happen - but if we start with something we know functions, that makes the process of adapting it much quicker and gets the project off the ground. Starting from scratch is also a disincentivisation for the project as a whole, which is why I proposed we make this a regular, continually updated thing
[2024-05-14 08:32:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, we can also do a longer-running reward schema, something like the way F1 does things with the chamionship against individual races
[2024-05-14 08:32:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| Oh, we can also do a longer-running reward schema, something like the way F1 does things with the chamionship against individual races
[2024-05-14 08:32:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| fully in agreement there the best idea is the one that is able to be iterated on
[2024-05-14 08:32:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| fully in agreement there the best idea is the one that is able to be iterated on
[2024-05-14 08:32:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| players get points for participation, as well as progression
[2024-05-14 08:32:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| players get points for participation, as well as progression
[2024-05-14 08:33:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i love the idea of a seasonal championship that rewards long term participation
[2024-05-14 08:33:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i love the idea of a seasonal championship that rewards long term participation
[2024-05-14 08:34:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| really love it - the question/challenge is being able to come up with an agreed set of terms and then corresponding infrastructure
[2024-05-14 08:34:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| really love it - the question/challenge is being able to come up with an agreed set of terms and then corresponding infrastructure
[2024-05-14 08:34:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| im with you 100% for "if we start with something we know functions, that makes the process of adapting it much quicker and gets the project off the ground" but also very much with Kevin on "we want people who aren't winning to be incentivised"
[2024-05-14 08:34:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| im with you 100% for "if we start with something we know functions, that makes the process of adapting it much quicker and gets the project off the ground" but also very much with Kevin on "we want people who aren't winning to be incentivised"
[2024-05-14 08:35:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the advantage of seasons is that we can plug Nanu's stats into it, and do things like peformance improvement rewards
[2024-05-14 08:35:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| the advantage of seasons is that we can plug Nanu's stats into it, and do things like peformance improvement rewards
[2024-05-14 08:35:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if we can brainstorm a solution that fits somewhere in the middle to start with i think we're onto a winner
[2024-05-14 08:35:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| if we can brainstorm a solution that fits somewhere in the middle to start with i think we're onto a winner
[2024-05-14 08:36:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| so if a new player starts out not winning any rounds, and then progresses to winning more rounds but also using rubber more effectively, using holes, judiciously spending time outside the zone to gain an advantage, that sorta thing, we can measrue that and reward it
[2024-05-14 08:36:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| so if a new player starts out not winning any rounds, and then progresses to winning more rounds but also using rubber more effectively, using holes, judiciously spending time outside the zone to gain an advantage, that sorta thing, we can measrue that and reward it
[2024-05-14 08:37:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i can already imagine a simple script that takes a match end and calculates points based on position - not complicated at all i could do that tonight
[2024-05-14 08:37:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i can already imagine a simple script that takes a match end and calculates points based on position - not complicated at all i could do that tonight
[2024-05-14 08:37:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 1st place: 100 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 1st place: 100 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2nd place: 80 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2nd place: 80 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3rd place: 60 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3rd place: 60 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 4th place: 50 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 4th place: 50 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 5th place: 40 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 5th place: 40 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 6th place: 30 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 6th place: 30 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 7th place: 20 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 7th place: 20 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 8th place: 10 points
[2024-05-14 08:37:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 8th place: 10 points
[2024-05-14 08:38:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for now at least i think theres value in rewarding points to people that do absolutely nothing except show up
[2024-05-14 08:38:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| for now at least i think theres value in rewarding points to people that do absolutely nothing except show up
[2024-05-14 08:39:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i love this but i think this works well down the line where the progression element is better described/incentivised
[2024-05-14 08:39:37] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i love this but i think this works well down the line where the progression element is better described/incentivised
[2024-05-14 08:40:08] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| The problem with the long-term progression thing is that newer players aren't going to be looking that far ahead
[2024-05-14 08:40:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| The problem with the long-term progression thing is that newer players aren't going to be looking that far ahead
[2024-05-14 08:41:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| We simply want them to come back tomorrow and try again. For a more complex system we could have a system that awards more points for let's say your first few wins and progressively awards less points per win as you accumulate wins
[2024-05-14 08:41:32] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| We simply want them to come back tomorrow and try again. For a more complex system we could have a system that awards more points for let's say your first few wins and progressively awards less points per win as you accumulate wins
[2024-05-14 08:41:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| they might if they are told about it
[2024-05-14 08:41:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| they might if they are told about it
[2024-05-14 08:42:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah but thats where the long term part comes in - theyll for sure be convinced eventually but to begin with boots on the ground feels like the priority
[2024-05-14 08:42:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| yeah but thats where the long term part comes in - theyll for sure be convinced eventually but to begin with boots on the ground feels like the priority
[2024-05-14 08:42:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i think this is converging into a very viable solution - one thing im thinking about is scale - dont want a situation where matches/servers are full and people are waiting
[2024-05-14 08:42:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i think this is converging into a very viable solution - one thing im thinking about is scale - dont want a situation where matches/servers are full and people are waiting
[2024-05-14 08:42:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| (nice problem to have)
[2024-05-14 08:42:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| (nice problem to have)
[2024-05-14 08:42:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| do we have the ability to horizontally scale
[2024-05-14 08:42:53] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| do we have the ability to horizontally scale
[2024-05-14 08:44:06] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So like if we put up multiple servers and your points gained in that server will be accumulated with points you earned in the other server(s)?
[2024-05-14 08:44:06] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| So like if we put up multiple servers and your points gained in that server will be accumulated with points you earned in the other server(s)?
[2024-05-14 08:44:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| exactly
[2024-05-14 08:44:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| exactly
[2024-05-14 08:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Sounds like it'd be easy to do on our end but I don't known how well that could be done in server
[2024-05-14 08:44:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Sounds like it'd be easy to do on our end but I don't known how well that could be done in server
[2024-05-14 08:44:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| easy enough to link to global ids but that requires logins which is a bit of a barrier to the new plaer experience
[2024-05-14 08:44:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| easy enough to link to global ids but that requires logins which is a bit of a barrier to the new plaer experience
[2024-05-14 08:44:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If the script just reads and writes to a local db, piss easy
[2024-05-14 08:44:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| If the script just reads and writes to a local db, piss easy
[2024-05-14 08:45:08] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Yeah it would be nice if we could find a solution to the login thing
[2024-05-14 08:45:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Yeah it would be nice if we could find a solution to the login thing
[2024-05-14 08:45:31] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i have a connect with discord solution cooking but i also want to support players that are potentially not on the discord
[2024-05-14 08:45:32] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i have a connect with discord solution cooking but i also want to support players that are potentially not on the discord
[2024-05-14 08:45:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| could just link by IP
[2024-05-14 08:45:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| could just link by IP
[2024-05-14 08:45:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Even if it was simply put in a command and to the server and then enter in a password which would relate to your username so that when you log in again you simply and put the command type in your password and it knows who you are
[2024-05-14 08:45:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Even if it was simply put in a command and to the server and then enter in a password which would relate to your username so that when you log in again you simply and put the command type in your password and it knows who you are
[2024-05-14 08:45:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| nah, IPs change
[2024-05-14 08:45:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nah, IPs change
[2024-05-14 08:45:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| mac address? lmao
[2024-05-14 08:45:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| mac address? lmao
[2024-05-14 08:46:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| some hardware identifier would be ideal requires 0 setup for the user
[2024-05-14 08:46:06] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| some hardware identifier would be ideal requires 0 setup for the user
[2024-05-14 08:46:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| and if they change their machine?
[2024-05-14 08:46:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and if they change their machine?
[2024-05-14 08:46:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| or play on another machine?
[2024-05-14 08:46:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| or play on another machine?
[2024-05-14 08:46:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| tell an admin :animeshrug:
[2024-05-14 08:46:28] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| tell an admin :animeshrug:
[2024-05-14 08:46:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| And like I said if it could just be a command with a password then wouldn't that be easy enough?
[2024-05-14 08:46:40] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| And like I said if it could just be a command with a password then wouldn't that be easy enough?
[2024-05-14 08:47:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| logins are ideal imo, we just have to provide a clear journey. And tbf, we gotta stop dumbing down the internet in general
[2024-05-14 08:47:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 08discord:delinquent| logins are ideal imo, we just have to provide a clear journey. And tbf, we gotta stop dumbing down the internet in general
[2024-05-14 08:47:06] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| how do you imagine this working? a password per user? how do we distribute them?
[2024-05-14 08:47:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| how do you imagine this working? a password per user? how do we distribute them?
[2024-05-14 08:47:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i generally agree on not dumbing down the internet but knowing your audience is key to marketing
[2024-05-14 08:47:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| i generally agree on not dumbing down the internet but knowing your audience is key to marketing
[2024-05-14 08:48:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and questions about match results with <8 players how should that be weighted? immediately im thinking on starting on the bottom end ie winning a match of 2 players gets you 20 points instead of 100
[2024-05-14 08:48:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| and questions about match results with <8 players how should that be weighted? immediately im thinking on starting on the bottom end ie winning a match of 2 players gets you 20 points instead of 100
[2024-05-14 08:48:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if we agree on a points based system
[2024-05-14 08:48:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| if we agree on a points based system
[2024-05-14 08:48:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Like let's say you enter the command and it prompts you for a password you put in your password of choice and if none match then it creates a new entry. When you return repeat the steps and it accumate your points from the previous sessions(s)
[2024-05-14 08:48:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Like let's say you enter the command and it prompts you for a password you put in your password of choice and if none match then it creates a new entry. When you return repeat the steps and it accumate your points from the previous sessions(s)
[2024-05-14 08:49:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whilst a cool idea in theory that requires updates to the game itself which is not easy to do/distribute
[2024-05-14 08:49:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| whilst a cool idea in theory that requires updates to the game itself which is not easy to do/distribute
[2024-05-14 08:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you're essentially recreating the authentication flow which we already have
[2024-05-14 08:49:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| you're essentially recreating the authentication flow which we already have
[2024-05-14 08:50:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| being able to create a login ingame would be fire
[2024-05-14 08:50:13] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| being able to create a login ingame would be fire
[2024-05-14 08:50:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| outside of the scope of this project i feel though
[2024-05-14 08:50:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| outside of the scope of this project i feel though
[2024-05-14 08:50:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I mean it would only need to write it to a file? Like you enter your command and password and it puts your name with that password on the file and then puts your points on it then when you play again and do the same then it will simply add your points to that entry. I'm just trying to make it as simple as possible in my mind cuz I actually don't know what we can and can't do here
[2024-05-14 08:50:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I mean it would only need to write it to a file? Like you enter your command and password and it puts your name with that password on the file and then puts your points on it then when you play again and do the same then it will simply add your points to that entry. I'm just trying to make it as simple as possible in my mind cuz I actually don't know what we can and can't do here
[2024-05-14 08:52:38] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I just figured if we have the ability to track usernames and points on a leaderboard and it seemed logical that we could add a step of matching your "password" to the entry instead of your in-game name
[2024-05-14 08:52:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I just figured if we have the ability to track usernames and points on a leaderboard and it seemed logical that we could add a step of matching your "password" to the entry instead of your in-game name
[2024-05-14 08:54:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I imagine that you wouldn't have to do anything fancy as a real authentication system. I simply records what password you entered and matches it to your accumulated points
[2024-05-14 08:54:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I imagine that you wouldn't have to do anything fancy as a real authentication system. I simply records what password you entered and matches it to your accumulated points
[2024-05-14 08:55:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But anyways as soon as you guys get a server up I will start playing on it
[2024-05-14 08:55:29] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| But anyways as soon as you guys get a server up I will start playing on it
[2024-05-14 08:56:12] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Just make sure it's nice and stable because no one likes to play on a shit server
[2024-05-14 08:56:13] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Just make sure it's nice and stable because no one likes to play on a shit server
[2024-05-14 09:01:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| as an ex security analyst i just get big red flags at anything authentication based that doesnt have SOTA methods attached. stick to industry standards and you cant go wrong
[2024-05-14 09:01:17] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| as an ex security analyst i just get big red flags at anything authentication based that doesnt have SOTA methods attached. stick to industry standards and you cant go wrong
[2024-05-14 09:01:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| your idea of a file works fine for a local computer (putting aside encryption at rest) but doesnt work when a user changes computers
[2024-05-14 09:01:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| your idea of a file works fine for a local computer (putting aside encryption at rest) but doesnt work when a user changes computers
[2024-05-14 09:01:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| then we're back to square 1 of just using a database to store such methods and thats literally what the logins do
[2024-05-14 09:01:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| then we're back to square 1 of just using a database to store such methods and thats literally what the logins do
[2024-05-14 09:02:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we have basically no pratical research on the UX of creating a login though. maybe its just fine how it is and we link GIDs and just recommend users to make accounts on the forums
[2024-05-14 09:02:40] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| we have basically no pratical research on the UX of creating a login though. maybe its just fine how it is and we link GIDs and just recommend users to make accounts on the forums
[2024-05-14 09:05:21] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya what I'm proposing would be unsecured as all hell and somebody would look for a way to exploit it because it was an open door...
[2024-05-14 09:05:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya what I'm proposing would be unsecured as all hell and somebody would look for a way to exploit it because it was an open door...
[2024-05-14 09:06:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but at the same time focusing too much on edge cases slows down overall implementation massively. lets not reinvent the wheel and just deploy something we know we can get working today. ill deliver an overview now
[2024-05-14 09:06:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| but at the same time focusing too much on edge cases slows down overall implementation massively. lets not reinvent the wheel and just deploy something we know we can get working today. ill deliver an overview now
[2024-05-14 09:06:34] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But it seemed at least a step better than just tracking by username or IP alone
[2024-05-14 09:06:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| But it seemed at least a step better than just tracking by username or IP alone
[2024-05-14 09:07:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Honestly lots of games for years have had a sign up page so it's not really that big of a deal. Maybe we can just have the link directly to the sign up page on the forum and that should be easy enough to handle for most users
[2024-05-14 09:07:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Honestly lots of games for years have had a sign up page so it's not really that big of a deal. Maybe we can just have the link directly to the sign up page on the forum and that should be easy enough to handle for most users
[2024-05-14 09:08:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| It's hardly asking for much when there is money to be won
[2024-05-14 09:08:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| It's hardly asking for much when there is money to be won
[2024-05-14 09:08:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we can incentivise donations to the prize pool by having special thanks both on the discord and on the message of the day in the server itself
[2024-05-14 09:08:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| we can incentivise donations to the prize pool by having special thanks both on the discord and on the message of the day in the server itself
[2024-05-14 09:09:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh I didn't finish my thought but I meant to say that the link to the sign-up page should be displayed at the start of a round or something like we do with the discord link
[2024-05-14 09:09:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh I didn't finish my thought but I meant to say that the link to the sign-up page should be displayed at the start of a round or something like we do with the discord link
[2024-05-14 09:10:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I forgot about the message of the day thing, that could explain everything right there
[2024-05-14 09:10:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I forgot about the message of the day thing, that could explain everything right there
[2024-05-14 09:10:45] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Nah I'm thinking of the message that pops up when you join, what's that called? Or is that what that's called?
[2024-05-14 09:10:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Nah I'm thinking of the message that pops up when you join, what's that called? Or is that what that's called?
[2024-05-14 09:10:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yep thats what that is
[2024-05-14 09:10:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| yep thats what that is
[2024-05-14 09:11:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ok glad I'm on the right page after all
[2024-05-14 09:11:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ok glad I'm on the right page after all
[2024-05-14 09:16:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| **Problem**: People don't play the game in public servers which makes it essentially impossible to practice in order to take part in the structured tournaments
[2024-05-14 09:16:31] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| **Problem**: People don't play the game in public servers which makes it essentially impossible to practice in order to take part in the structured tournaments
[2024-05-14 09:16:31] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| **Solution**: We're going to implement a "Sumo Bar Casual League - SBCL" (name work in progress) that rewards players for both participation as well as victory.
[2024-05-14 09:16:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| **Solution**: We're going to implement a "Sumo Bar Casual League - SBCL" (name work in progress) that rewards players for both participation as well as victory.
[2024-05-14 09:16:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| **Details** 
[2024-05-14 09:16:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| **Details** 
[2024-05-14 09:16:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 1. Games are played as and when at least 2 players are in any official SBCL server
[2024-05-14 09:16:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 1. Games are played as and when at least 2 players are in any official SBCL server
[2024-05-14 09:16:35] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2. Rewards are distributed to the top 3 players with the most points on a monthly basis (in a ratio of 50/30/20)
[2024-05-14 09:16:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2. Rewards are distributed to the top 3 players with the most points on a monthly basis (in a ratio of 50/30/20)
[2024-05-14 09:16:37] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3. You get points by participating in and winning SBCL matches
[2024-05-14 09:16:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3. You get points by participating in and winning SBCL matches
[2024-05-14 09:16:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 4. The points distribution is as follows:
[2024-05-14 09:16:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 4. The points distribution is as follows:
[2024-05-14 09:16:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| **1st place: 100 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| **1st place: 100 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 2nd place: 80 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 2nd place: 80 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 3rd place: 60 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 3rd place: 60 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 4th place: 50 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 4th place: 50 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 5th place: 40 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 5th place: 40 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:46] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 6th place: 30 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 6th place: 30 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 7th place: 20 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 7th place: 20 points
[2024-05-14 09:16:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 8th place: 10 points**
[2024-05-14 09:16:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 8th place: 10 points**
[2024-05-14 09:16:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 5. Points are connected to a Global ID (@forums or any other valid GID)
[2024-05-14 09:16:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 5. Points are connected to a Global ID (@forums or any other valid GID)
[2024-05-14 09:16:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 6. Collusion, cheating, unsportsmanlike play and other related offences will result in a penalty ranging from points deduction to disqualification
[2024-05-14 09:16:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 6. Collusion, cheating, unsportsmanlike play and other related offences will result in a penalty ranging from points deduction to disqualification
[2024-05-14 09:16:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 7. Feedback is welcome on the discord
[2024-05-14 09:16:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 7. Feedback is welcome on the discord
[2024-05-14 09:16:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| 8. The organisers reserve the right to propose and implement updates to the structure of the SBCL during the transition period before the next month (defined by 1 week before month end)
[2024-05-14 09:16:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| 8. The organisers reserve the right to propose and implement updates to the structure of the SBCL during the transition period before the next month (defined by 1 week before month end)
[2024-05-14 09:16:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| ---
[2024-05-14 09:16:55] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ---
[2024-05-14 09:16:56] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Work in progress
[2024-05-14 09:16:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Work in progress
[2024-05-14 09:16:57] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| whatdya think
[2024-05-14 09:16:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whatdya think
[2024-05-14 09:17:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| need to propose an association that can meet somewhat regularly to discuss problems/solutions to the structure to avoid the orphanage
[2024-05-14 09:17:40] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| need to propose an association that can meet somewhat regularly to discuss problems/solutions to the structure to avoid the orphanage
[2024-05-14 09:21:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Looks good to me
[2024-05-14 09:21:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Looks good to me
[2024-05-14 11:21:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Maybe we should add a server with fort settings that's just a normal game mode so people have something to use to get used to the feel if sumo is a bit much for them when it's full
[2024-05-14 11:21:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Maybe we should add a server with fort settings that's just a normal game mode so people have something to use to get used to the feel if sumo is a bit much for them when it's full
[2024-05-14 11:26:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| do you mean like Deathmatch? or just public fort?
[2024-05-14 11:26:40] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| do you mean like Deathmatch? or just public fort?
[2024-05-14 11:28:06] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Deathmatch
[2024-05-14 11:28:06] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Deathmatch
[2024-05-14 11:28:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| that already exists 😄
[2024-05-14 11:28:26] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| that already exists 😄
[2024-05-14 11:28:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well what's it called? Maybe we should add something about it to the message of the day thing
[2024-05-14 11:28:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well what's it called? Maybe we should add something about it to the message of the day thing
[2024-05-14 11:28:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| For our new servers
[2024-05-14 11:28:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| For our new servers
[2024-05-14 11:29:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1239962715951337482/image.png?ex=6644d4c4&is=66438344&hm=f502a23324b3c7b4ebeedb1777ab37f56ebc5138685fdc37f48a006d20ad621e&
[2024-05-14 11:29:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1239962715951337482/image.png?ex=6644d4c4&is=66438344&hm=f502a23324b3c7b4ebeedb1777ab37f56ebc5138685fdc37f48a006d20ad621e&
[2024-05-14 11:29:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| also :POG: CTWF is back
[2024-05-14 11:29:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| also :POG: CTWF is back
[2024-05-14 11:29:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh the one called deathmatch is fort settings?
[2024-05-14 11:29:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh the one called deathmatch is fort settings?
[2024-05-14 11:30:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| sumo/fort settings yep
[2024-05-14 11:30:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| sumo/fort settings yep
[2024-05-14 11:30:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I still don't know what the deal with ctwf is lol
[2024-05-14 11:30:20] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I still don't know what the deal with ctwf is lol
[2024-05-14 11:30:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| try it
[2024-05-14 11:30:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| try it
[2024-05-14 11:30:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its fort but with wild maps and settings
[2024-05-14 11:30:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| its fort but with wild maps and settings
[2024-05-14 11:30:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh ok
[2024-05-14 11:30:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh ok
[2024-05-14 11:31:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it was a great way to get people into fort back in the day
[2024-05-14 11:31:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| it was a great way to get people into fort back in the day
[2024-05-14 11:31:16] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I see
[2024-05-14 11:31:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I see
[2024-05-14 11:31:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But yeah I brought up my idea because we had someone in lava bar with us that was struggling to even do a triple bind and probably didn't have double binds set up but we did try and explain it and then they left
[2024-05-14 11:31:47] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| But yeah I brought up my idea because we had someone in lava bar with us that was struggling to even do a triple bind and probably didn't have double binds set up but we did try and explain it and then they left
[2024-05-14 11:32:03] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| And right about that time is when more people started joining which makes it hard for the newer players
[2024-05-14 11:32:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| And right about that time is when more people started joining which makes it hard for the newer players
[2024-05-14 11:32:33] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So hypothetically I could have invited them to play death match with me to get them used to the basics
[2024-05-14 11:32:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| So hypothetically I could have invited them to play death match with me to get them used to the basics
[2024-05-14 12:35:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Correct Kevin I sometimes actually like playing death match it's slightly lower rubber which makes 5 feel alot more easier
[2024-05-14 12:35:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Correct Kevin I sometimes actually like playing death match it's slightly lower rubber which makes 5 feel alot more easier
[2024-05-14 12:37:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Kinda think might need to make lavas ring alittle bigger at start with more players lol once you get 8 in there it's like go towards middle and try to survive lol
[2024-05-14 12:37:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Kinda think might need to make lavas ring alittle bigger at start with more players lol once you get 8 in there it's like go towards middle and try to survive lol
[2024-05-14 12:39:51] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| it's auto size adjusting based on the number of players
[2024-05-14 12:39:52] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| it's auto size adjusting based on the number of players
[2024-05-14 12:39:54] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| a titanoboa innovation
[2024-05-14 12:39:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| a titanoboa innovation
[2024-05-14 12:41:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| But what is the player .. Size adjustments maybe it's just when your on the verge of peaking
[2024-05-14 12:41:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| But what is the player .. Size adjustments maybe it's just when your on the verge of peaking
[2024-05-14 12:59:12] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:justkoala| Deathmatch is superior for new players based on respawn enabled alone, also it should be 5 rubber but rookie put it lower to practice mazing and never put it back
[2024-05-14 12:59:12] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:justkoala| Deathmatch is superior for new players based on respawn enabled alone, also it should be 5 rubber but rookie put it lower to practice mazing and never put it back
[2024-05-14 13:09:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| So blame the rookie lol?
[2024-05-14 13:09:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| So blame the rookie lol?
[2024-05-14 13:11:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| @justkoala. Anything to stop em from being an unpredictable sub main right lol
[2024-05-14 13:11:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| @justkoala. Anything to stop em from being an unpredictable sub main right lol
[2024-05-14 16:24:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| what kind of resources would be required to have bots to occupy an empty server? something like yellow sub's "normal thomas" who plays decently human-like and takes up a user slot. i can't help but think some traffic generated by tiktok (or in general) has be stifled by a completely empty master server list
[2024-05-14 16:24:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:anjo3060| what kind of resources would be required to have bots to occupy an empty server? something like yellow sub's "normal thomas" who plays decently human-like and takes up a user slot. i can't help but think some traffic generated by tiktok (or in general) has be stifled by a completely empty master server list
[2024-05-14 16:29:03] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:anjo3060| hard to gain / retain players when there's simply nothing to play
[2024-05-14 16:29:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| hard to gain / retain players when there's simply nothing to play
[2024-05-14 17:07:48] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| I would agree normal Thomas being more normal would help .. That can answer questions of the common tron questions does help
[2024-05-14 17:07:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| I would agree normal Thomas being more normal would help .. That can answer questions of the common tron questions does help
[2024-05-14 17:17:23] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Will say he helped new people hang around longer till real people came in sometimes new people gets frustrated with his survivability and to pt edges lol
[2024-05-14 17:17:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Will say he helped new people hang around longer till real people came in sometimes new people gets frustrated with his survivability and to pt edges lol
[2024-05-14 17:50:01] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:sqwigel| Hello I’m new to this game any one got some good settings for me?
[2024-05-14 17:50:01] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:sqwigel| Hello I’m new to this game any one got some good settings for me?
[2024-05-14 18:04:18] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| yeah so  basically a "normal thomas" that sits in a server while it would be otherwise empty, then leaves once multiple players have joined
[2024-05-14 18:04:18] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| yeah so  basically a "normal thomas" that sits in a server while it would be otherwise empty, then leaves once multiple players have joined
[2024-05-14 18:05:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| I would presume so I would set the limit to a few people I don't mind playing Thomas other people do lol
[2024-05-14 18:05:45] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| I would presume so I would set the limit to a few people I don't mind playing Thomas other people do lol
[2024-05-14 18:07:15] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i've had a desire to make a sumo bot that plays relatively human-like but it seems quite daunting
[2024-05-14 18:07:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| i've had a desire to make a sumo bot that plays relatively human-like but it seems quite daunting
[2024-05-14 18:07:48] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Yes I recall you loading em up other night
[2024-05-14 18:07:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Yes I recall you loading em up other night
[2024-05-14 18:09:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Only time Thomas bothers me is when there are like three people and you cant ever battle real person cause Thomas is dividing and concurring lol
[2024-05-14 18:09:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Only time Thomas bothers me is when there are like three people and you cant ever battle real person cause Thomas is dividing and concurring lol
[2024-05-14 18:13:03] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Cadillac| Welcome! The biggest tip for beginners is to use multiple keys for turning each direction
[2024-05-14 18:13:04] <armagetron-bridge_> 03discord:Cadillac| Welcome! The biggest tip for beginners is to use multiple keys for turning each direction
[2024-05-14 18:13:19] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Cadillac| For example, d+f for left and j+k for right
[2024-05-14 18:13:19] <armagetron-bridge_> 03discord:Cadillac| For example, d+f for left and j+k for right
[2024-05-14 18:15:42] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:Cadillac| Besides that, most setting options are based on preference, and what is best for you will also depend on which servers you decide to play in most
[2024-05-14 18:15:42] <armagetron-bridge_> 03discord:Cadillac| Besides that, most setting options are based on preference, and what is best for you will also depend on which servers you decide to play in most
[2024-05-14 18:21:01] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:sqwigel| Thank you
[2024-05-14 18:21:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:sqwigel| Thank you
[2024-05-14 18:21:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well do we need rookie to fix that?
[2024-05-14 18:21:07] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well do we need rookie to fix that?
[2024-05-14 18:22:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:anjo3060| yea exactly. just to keep servers active and populated for new players to get a chance to play at any time. a sumo bot might not be as necessary as deathmatch and/or yellow sub
[2024-05-14 18:22:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:anjo3060| yea exactly. just to keep servers active and populated for new players to get a chance to play at any time. a sumo bot might not be as necessary as deathmatch and/or yellow sub
[2024-05-14 18:22:55] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I've always wanted there to be a sumo bot lol
[2024-05-14 18:22:55] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I've always wanted there to be a sumo bot lol
[2024-05-14 18:23:22] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:sqwigel| Douse any one know why I’m not in full screen? It’s windowed
[2024-05-14 18:23:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:sqwigel| Douse any one know why I’m not in full screen? It’s windowed
[2024-05-14 18:24:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Go to system settings and then I think screen preferences switch to full screen and click apply
[2024-05-14 18:24:41] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Go to system settings and then I think screen preferences switch to full screen and click apply
[2024-05-14 18:26:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| There is .. Its me or you lol
[2024-05-14 18:26:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| There is .. Its me or you lol
[2024-05-14 18:27:20] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| If you go into window after full screen try hitting letter N on keyboard
[2024-05-14 18:27:20] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| If you go into window after full screen try hitting letter N on keyboard
[2024-05-14 18:29:18] <armagetron-bridge_> 10discord:sqwigel| It worked thank you guys
[2024-05-14 18:29:19] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:sqwigel| It worked thank you guys
[2024-05-14 20:17:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| @rookie0069 I hear you lowered the rubber in Deathmatch! can you reset it?
[2024-05-14 20:17:37] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| @rookie0069 I hear you lowered the rubber in Deathmatch! can you reset it?
[2024-05-14 20:34:24] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| wrong rookie
[2024-05-14 20:34:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| wrong rookie
[2024-05-14 20:35:54] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well woops
[2024-05-14 20:35:54] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well woops
[2024-05-14 20:35:56] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| i also have powers there though so ill change it back
[2024-05-14 20:35:56] <armagetron-bridge_> 15discord:Nélg| i also have powers there though so ill change it back
[2024-05-14 20:36:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| ah thx Nelg
[2024-05-14 20:36:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| ah thx Nelg
[2024-05-14 20:43:04] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Nelg .. Is that what you do when your watching .. Summoning tron chi power lol
[2024-05-14 20:43:05] <armagetron-bridge_> 14discord:Grimm| Nelg .. Is that what you do when your watching .. Summoning tron chi power lol
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[2024-05-14 22:34:40] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I finally brought my van home.  Tomorrow is the first day they can give me a 24 hour notice to vacate, so if I do a load in the van tonight, and another one tomorrow, I should be able to preserve some more things, but I'm abandoning stuff I may not even use for years, if ever.
[2024-05-14 22:34:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I finally brought my van home.  Tomorrow is the first day they can give me a 24 hour notice to vacate, so if I do a load in the van tonight, and another one tomorrow, I should be able to preserve some more things, but I'm abandoning stuff I may not even use for years, if ever.
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[2024-05-14 22:38:33] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I finally brought my van home.  Tomorrow is the first day they can give me a 24 hour notice to vacate, so if I do a load in the van tonight, and another one tomorrow, I should be able to preserve some more things, but I'm abandoning stuff I may not even use for years, if ever.
[2024-05-14 22:38:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| ok, I finally brought my van home.  Tomorrow is the first day they can give me a 24 hour notice to vacate, so if I do a load in the van tonight, and another one tomorrow, I should be able to preserve some more things, but I'm abandoning stuff I may not even use for years, if ever.
[2024-05-14 22:38:35] <Lucifer_arma> I'll do before pics in the next few days, before I get too crazy with the RV conversion
[2024-05-14 22:38:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'll do before pics in the next few days, before I get too crazy with the RV conversion
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[2024-05-14 22:39:35] <Lucifer_arma> What the hell?  Everytime I type something, I lose network.
[2024-05-14 22:39:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| What the hell?  Everytime I type something, I lose network.
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