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[2024-05-23 02:36:34] <Lucifer_arma_> I've finally been given my order to vacate in 24 hours.  So as of tomorrow, I'll be living in the van.
[2024-05-23 02:36:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I've finally been given my order to vacate in 24 hours.  So as of tomorrow, I'll be living in the van.
[2024-05-23 02:36:56] <Lucifer_arma_> So I guess this is the time for me to grab all the before shots of the van.
[2024-05-23 02:36:57] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| So I guess this is the time for me to grab all the before shots of the van.
[2024-05-23 02:39:04] <Lucifer_arma_> On the subject of sensitivity, I recently had a coworker make a "joke" about me putting a hex on him.  It was clearly a joke based on a stereotype, and I was rightfully offended.  Satanists don't practice magik or hexes or anything ike that.
[2024-05-23 02:39:05] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| On the subject of sensitivity, I recently had a coworker make a "joke" about me putting a hex on him.  It was clearly a joke based on a stereotype, and I was rightfully offended.  Satanists don't practice magik or hexes or anything ike that.
[2024-05-23 02:39:32] <Lucifer_arma_> He thought I was being oversensitive, I didn't want to be discriminated against.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
[2024-05-23 02:39:33] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| He thought I was being oversensitive, I didn't want to be discriminated against.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
[2024-05-23 02:41:07] <Lucifer_arma_> And yeah, you can argue that I chose to be a satanist as a statement against christians, explicitly wanting to offend them, and all that.  You can make that argument.  Can you argue that that gives people the right to discriminate against me?
[2024-05-23 02:41:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| And yeah, you can argue that I chose to be a satanist as a statement against christians, explicitly wanting to offend them, and all that.  You can make that argument.  Can you argue that that gives people the right to discriminate against me?
[2024-05-23 02:48:14] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| From the writings of levay some do practice forms of magic
[2024-05-23 02:48:14] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| From the writings of levay some do practice forms of magic
[2024-05-23 02:48:26] <Lucifer_arma_> I realize that in the past I've argued that I'm not a satanist, and fought everyone who had a problem with my name, and I've mostly argued that I'm an atheist and they can fuck off.  The truth, where the rubber meets the road, is that I became a satanist when I was 18/19, and I've never really stopped
[2024-05-23 02:48:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I realize that in the past I've argued that I'm not a satanist, and fought everyone who had a problem with my name, and I've mostly argued that I'm an atheist and they can fuck off.  The truth, where the rubber meets the road, is that I became a satanist when I was 18/19, and I've never really stopped
[2024-05-23 02:48:42] <Lucifer_arma_> I'm leaning in now, I'm an ordained minister and a satanist
[2024-05-23 02:48:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'm leaning in now, I'm an ordained minister and a satanist
[2024-05-23 02:49:15] <Lucifer_arma_> Yes, Anton Szander LaVey published a book which includes some ceremonial magic.  I've actually gone through those rituals.
[2024-05-23 02:49:16] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Yes, Anton Szander LaVey published a book which includes some ceremonial magic.  I've actually gone through those rituals.
[2024-05-23 02:49:32] <Lucifer_arma_> It was really difficult in 1993 to find a black candle
[2024-05-23 02:49:32] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| It was really difficult in 1993 to find a black candle
[2024-05-23 02:50:14] <Lucifer_arma_> I still own a copy of the Satanic Bible.  It's basically Ayn Rand rendered in a spiritual form, and even Anton LaVey walked away from it in later years
[2024-05-23 02:50:14] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I still own a copy of the Satanic Bible.  It's basically Ayn Rand rendered in a spiritual form, and even Anton LaVey walked away from it in later years
[2024-05-23 02:51:10] <Lucifer_arma_> no, fuck that.  I'm a socialist.  I'm not a libertarian.  I think it's wrong to let a house burn because the person who lives in it can't afford to pay the firemen to put out the fire
[2024-05-23 02:51:10] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, fuck that.  I'm a socialist.  I'm not a libertarian.  I think it's wrong to let a house burn because the person who lives in it can't afford to pay the firemen to put out the fire
[2024-05-23 02:52:16] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I can't say I agree with all of a Lavey ideas but I will say that in many aspects he made more sense than my Christian preachers
[2024-05-23 02:52:16] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| I can't say I agree with all of a Lavey ideas but I will say that in many aspects he made more sense than my Christian preachers
[2024-05-23 02:52:23] <Lucifer_arma_> ANd here's the kicker: LaVey was a con artist.  He conned people and then walked away from it
[2024-05-23 02:52:23] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| ANd here's the kicker: LaVey was a con artist.  He conned people and then walked away from it
[2024-05-23 02:52:50] <Lucifer_arma_> I love telling people how the satanic bible explicitly forbids sexual assault, and the christian bible doesn't
[2024-05-23 02:52:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I love telling people how the satanic bible explicitly forbids sexual assault, and the christian bible doesn't
[2024-05-23 02:53:27] <Lucifer_arma_> The reasoning is sound, too.  You can't infringe on someone else's right to choose who they have sex with.  It's sound reasoning.
[2024-05-23 02:53:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| The reasoning is sound, too.  You can't infringe on someone else's right to choose who they have sex with.  It's sound reasoning.
[2024-05-23 02:53:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I like it. I’ve been doing some reading on Gnosticism and the forgotten gospels in my writing journeys. Lots of knowledge and insight that has been unfortunately swatted away by the hand of monotheism and YHWH.
[2024-05-23 02:53:36] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I like it. I’ve been doing some reading on Gnosticism and the forgotten gospels in my writing journeys. Lots of knowledge and insight that has been unfortunately swatted away by the hand of monotheism and YHWH.
[2024-05-23 02:53:53] <Lucifer_arma_> But the christian bible is all "Pay her dad a couple of goats and marry her and you're fine"
[2024-05-23 02:53:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| But the christian bible is all "Pay her dad a couple of goats and marry her and you're fine"
[2024-05-23 02:54:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I long for a world that retraces its ideological roots towards the source. Suffering and schism go hand in hand.
[2024-05-23 02:54:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I long for a world that retraces its ideological roots towards the source. Suffering and schism go hand in hand.
[2024-05-23 02:54:55] <Lucifer_arma_> Yahweh can suck it.  Part of being a satanist is recognizing that yahweh is the enemy.  In the extremely unlikely event that it turns out that God and Satan are real people, God is the enemy.
[2024-05-23 02:54:55] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Yahweh can suck it.  Part of being a satanist is recognizing that yahweh is the enemy.  In the extremely unlikely event that it turns out that God and Satan are real people, God is the enemy.
[2024-05-23 02:55:04] <Lucifer_arma_> THAT is the heart of satanism.
[2024-05-23 02:55:05] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| THAT is the heart of satanism.
[2024-05-23 02:55:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Gnosticism posits something similar that YHWH as a materialistic god is something of a malevolent demiurge
[2024-05-23 02:55:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Gnosticism posits something similar that YHWH as a materialistic god is something of a malevolent demiurge
[2024-05-23 02:56:10] <Lucifer_arma_> Gnosticism is fucking awesome.  Dig deeper, because satan is the god of gnostics (I'm exaggerating a bit here)
[2024-05-23 02:56:11] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Gnosticism is fucking awesome.  Dig deeper, because satan is the god of gnostics (I'm exaggerating a bit here)
[2024-05-23 02:56:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Whereby one can achieve some form of enlightenment through understanding that we exist in his prison as long as we allow that kind of power and influence over our lives
[2024-05-23 02:56:21] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Whereby one can achieve some form of enlightenment through understanding that we exist in his prison as long as we allow that kind of power and influence over our lives
[2024-05-23 02:56:47] <Lucifer_arma_> there's a whole pantheon there which is fucking wild, and awesome, and hates Jesus, and I love anything that hates Jesus (again, exaggeration)
[2024-05-23 02:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there's a whole pantheon there which is fucking wild, and awesome, and hates Jesus, and I love anything that hates Jesus (again, exaggeration)
[2024-05-23 02:57:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I’m not really a hateful person generally. I don’t enjoy what Jesus’ influence has become, but subjectively speaking I read some of his talks and find myself thinking “yeah makes sense”
[2024-05-23 02:57:34] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I’m not really a hateful person generally. I don’t enjoy what Jesus’ influence has become, but subjectively speaking I read some of his talks and find myself thinking “yeah makes sense”
[2024-05-23 02:57:56] <Lucifer_arma_> Have you read Roger Zelazny's the Chronicles of Amber?
[2024-05-23 02:57:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Have you read Roger Zelazny's the Chronicles of Amber?
[2024-05-23 02:58:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I think as entropy increases and cultures develop it becomes increasingly important to identify what works for you and adopt that but not to adopt the entire source and become wrapped up in it. This is where I believe modern abrahamic religions fail. They have become drunk on their own success.
[2024-05-23 02:58:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I think as entropy increases and cultures develop it becomes increasingly important to identify what works for you and adopt that but not to adopt the entire source and become wrapped up in it. This is where I believe modern abrahamic religions fail. They have become drunk on their own success.
[2024-05-23 02:58:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I haven’t, would you recommend it?
[2024-05-23 02:58:48] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I haven’t, would you recommend it?
[2024-05-23 02:58:51] <Lucifer_arma_> If not, you should.  It's gnosticism in a nutshell.  You have to read both cycles, the Corwin and Merlin cycles.
[2024-05-23 02:58:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| If not, you should.  It's gnosticism in a nutshell.  You have to read both cycles, the Corwin and Merlin cycles.
[2024-05-23 02:59:07] <Lucifer_arma_> I highly recommend that series, so does Adam Savage from Mythbusters
[2024-05-23 02:59:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I highly recommend that series, so does Adam Savage from Mythbusters
[2024-05-23 02:59:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Love a good recommendation. Thank you 🙏
[2024-05-23 02:59:08] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Love a good recommendation. Thank you 🙏
[2024-05-23 03:00:21] <Lucifer_arma_> One of the things I love about satanism is that there's no dogma.  I don't have to give a shit about the satanic bible.  I can get spiritual guidance from Douglas Adams, Red Dwarf, Star Trek, anything that works for me
[2024-05-23 03:00:21] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| One of the things I love about satanism is that there's no dogma.  I don't have to give a shit about the satanic bible.  I can get spiritual guidance from Douglas Adams, Red Dwarf, Star Trek, anything that works for me
[2024-05-23 03:00:58] <Lucifer_arma_> and I don't have to revere these texts as things over which I'm willing to murder people, because they're just texts.  THey're fiction.
[2024-05-23 03:00:58] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and I don't have to revere these texts as things over which I'm willing to murder people, because they're just texts.  THey're fiction.
[2024-05-23 03:02:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It's difficult to proliferate an understanding or framework of looking at the world that doesn't leverage some of the more insidious parts of human nature
[2024-05-23 03:02:02] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| It's difficult to proliferate an understanding or framework of looking at the world that doesn't leverage some of the more insidious parts of human nature
[2024-05-23 03:02:15] <Lucifer_arma_> I can get spiritual guidance from random people I meet, which includes homeless people (which I'm about to be) and black people, and whoever.  I can take what I need from whoever offers it.  NO dogma.
[2024-05-23 03:02:15] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I can get spiritual guidance from random people I meet, which includes homeless people (which I'm about to be) and black people, and whoever.  I can take what I need from whoever offers it.  NO dogma.
[2024-05-23 03:02:47] <Lucifer_arma_> It's not hard to understand that kindness is the way forward.  It's not hard.
[2024-05-23 03:02:47] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| It's not hard to understand that kindness is the way forward.  It's not hard.
[2024-05-23 03:02:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Subjugation and fear are powerful drivers, especially for those that are simply looking for meaning in any form and thus become spiritually thirsty
[2024-05-23 03:02:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Subjugation and fear are powerful drivers, especially for those that are simply looking for meaning in any form and thus become spiritually thirsty
[2024-05-23 03:03:29] <Lucifer_arma_> True, but kindness has more benefits.  YOu get more from being kind than you do from being cruel
[2024-05-23 03:03:29] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| True, but kindness has more benefits.  YOu get more from being kind than you do from being cruel
[2024-05-23 03:03:48] <Lucifer_arma_> Cruelty gives immediate satisfaction, kindness gives long term satisfaction
[2024-05-23 03:03:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Cruelty gives immediate satisfaction, kindness gives long term satisfaction
[2024-05-23 03:04:00] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Personally, absolutely. It lacks the virality though.
[2024-05-23 03:04:00] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Personally, absolutely. It lacks the virality though.
[2024-05-23 03:04:25] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| At least thats how i'm beginning to rationalise the decline of these more esoterical concepts as opposed to abrahamic religions in the modern day
[2024-05-23 03:04:25] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| At least thats how i'm beginning to rationalise the decline of these more esoterical concepts as opposed to abrahamic religions in the modern day
[2024-05-23 03:04:38] <Lucifer_arma_> You're right about that.  We want to see people put in their place, and that always goes viral.
[2024-05-23 03:04:38] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| You're right about that.  We want to see people put in their place, and that always goes viral.
[2024-05-23 03:05:26] <Lucifer_arma_> But kindness always wins.  THat's why Jesus said to turn the other cheek.  He's not a complete smeghead, he's a smeghead because he's aligned with a cruel god.
[2024-05-23 03:05:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| But kindness always wins.  THat's why Jesus said to turn the other cheek.  He's not a complete smeghead, he's a smeghead because he's aligned with a cruel god.
[2024-05-23 03:05:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| The more I consume the more I have a recurring thought like "hey this makes sense why isn't this taught more" and it's something of a self closing loop.
[2024-05-23 03:05:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| The more I consume the more I have a recurring thought like "hey this makes sense why isn't this taught more" and it's something of a self closing loop.
[2024-05-23 03:05:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Have you read the gospel of Judas?
[2024-05-23 03:05:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Have you read the gospel of Judas?
[2024-05-23 03:05:59] <Lucifer_arma_> I say that being recently divorced from a woman who practiced cruelty, and I practiced kindness, and divorce was the only option.
[2024-05-23 03:05:59] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I say that being recently divorced from a woman who practiced cruelty, and I practiced kindness, and divorce was the only option.
[2024-05-23 03:06:55] <Lucifer_arma_> no.  If it's not in the KJV, I haven't read it.  I've read discussions of it, which suggest that Judas was a friend who "betrayed" Jesus because Jesus asked him to, but i haven't read it directly.
[2024-05-23 03:06:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no.  If it's not in the KJV, I haven't read it.  I've read discussions of it, which suggest that Judas was a friend who "betrayed" Jesus because Jesus asked him to, but i haven't read it directly.
[2024-05-23 03:07:38] <Lucifer_arma_> Iron Maiden has explored the subject, and I love Iron Maiden, so there's that
[2024-05-23 03:07:38] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Iron Maiden has explored the subject, and I love Iron Maiden, so there's that
[2024-05-23 03:07:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Jesus was one of the OGs to privately describe the materialistic god as a malevolant force. Fascinating stuff
[2024-05-23 03:07:39] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Jesus was one of the OGs to privately describe the materialistic god as a malevolant force. Fascinating stuff
[2024-05-23 03:08:03] <Lucifer_arma_> yeah, in gnostic literature, what little of it has survived, yahweh is a villain
[2024-05-23 03:08:04] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| yeah, in gnostic literature, what little of it has survived, yahweh is a villain
[2024-05-23 03:08:33] <Lucifer_arma_> and jesus wasn't his reincarnation, he was an enemy to yahweh
[2024-05-23 03:08:33] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| and jesus wasn't his reincarnation, he was an enemy to yahweh
[2024-05-23 03:08:37] <Lucifer_arma_> I love gnostic thought
[2024-05-23 03:08:37] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I love gnostic thought
[2024-05-23 03:09:28] <Lucifer_arma_> but it's all still fiction, and it's just as important as knowing that the answer to the ultimate quesiton of life, the universe, and everything can't exist in the same universe where the question of what that is exists
[2024-05-23 03:09:28] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| but it's all still fiction, and it's just as important as knowing that the answer to the ultimate quesiton of life, the universe, and everything can't exist in the same universe where the question of what that is exists
[2024-05-23 03:09:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Yeah that's essentially the gist of it. That Judas was the one true disciple that through this more personal private understanding was able to take this task that forever would be viewed as some devilish act.
[2024-05-23 03:09:50] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Yeah that's essentially the gist of it. That Judas was the one true disciple that through this more personal private understanding was able to take this task that forever would be viewed as some devilish act.
[2024-05-23 03:09:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Fiction is something of a mystery to me
[2024-05-23 03:09:59] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Fiction is something of a mystery to me
[2024-05-23 03:10:02] <Lucifer_arma_> you get more spiritual guidance watching captain picard or Sisko
[2024-05-23 03:10:02] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| you get more spiritual guidance watching captain picard or Sisko
[2024-05-23 03:10:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| If it's been imagined, it is true
[2024-05-23 03:10:13] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| If it's been imagined, it is true
[2024-05-23 03:10:40] <Lucifer_arma_> Heinlein took that view when he tied all fictional universes together in the Number of the Beast
[2024-05-23 03:10:40] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Heinlein took that view when he tied all fictional universes together in the Number of the Beast
[2024-05-23 03:11:11] <Lucifer_arma_> that one book means the Lord of the Rings exists in the same universe as the Expanse
[2024-05-23 03:11:11] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that one book means the Lord of the Rings exists in the same universe as the Expanse
[2024-05-23 03:11:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Through the evolution of language and reason and the chaotic nature of reality it's fairly impossible to identify real events in our space/time ribbon.
[2024-05-23 03:11:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Through the evolution of language and reason and the chaotic nature of reality it's fairly impossible to identify real events in our space/time ribbon.
[2024-05-23 03:12:07] <Lucifer_arma_> no, we have archeology, and paleontology, and various other means of determining what's true and what's not true
[2024-05-23 03:12:07] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, we have archeology, and paleontology, and various other means of determining what's true and what's not true
[2024-05-23 03:12:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| But those are up to subjective observation and through labelling in dynamic encoding mechanisms
[2024-05-23 03:12:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| But those are up to subjective observation and through labelling in dynamic encoding mechanisms
[2024-05-23 03:12:51] <Lucifer_arma_> we dont' have to trust authors from years ago, hundreds or thousands, we have the ability to study what they were looking at when they wrote whatever and determine for ourselves what actually happened
[2024-05-23 03:12:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| we dont' have to trust authors from years ago, hundreds or thousands, we have the ability to study what they were looking at when they wrote whatever and determine for ourselves what actually happened
[2024-05-23 03:13:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| How many archaeological discoveries are fiercely debated toda. Graham Hancock is perhaps insane but he gives interesting food for thought
[2024-05-23 03:13:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| How many archaeological discoveries are fiercely debated toda. Graham Hancock is perhaps insane but he gives interesting food for thought
[2024-05-23 03:13:27] <Lucifer_arma_> no, it's not subjective.  Maybe the initial study is subjective, but after it goes through the process, it becomes objective
[2024-05-23 03:13:27] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| no, it's not subjective.  Maybe the initial study is subjective, but after it goes through the process, it becomes objective
[2024-05-23 03:13:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I long for this objective record, deeply.
[2024-05-23 03:13:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I long for this objective record, deeply.
[2024-05-23 03:13:51] <Lucifer_arma_> Graham Hancock is a quack.  He makes up shit to suit his agenda
[2024-05-23 03:13:52] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| Graham Hancock is a quack.  He makes up shit to suit his agenda
[2024-05-23 03:14:20] <Lucifer_arma_> it's pretty transparent, too.  Look for the agenda, and then you'll see how he shapes the facts to suit it.
[2024-05-23 03:14:20] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| it's pretty transparent, too.  Look for the agenda, and then you'll see how he shapes the facts to suit it.
[2024-05-23 03:14:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Likely, my point is that we are able to discover echoes and ripples that have come from a source, but we are unable to reverse the arrow of time to actually reform and understand that source
[2024-05-23 03:14:44] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Likely, my point is that we are able to discover echoes and ripples that have come from a source, but we are unable to reverse the arrow of time to actually reform and understand that source
[2024-05-23 03:14:46] <Lucifer_arma_> real scientists don't work that way.  They study the facts and generate theories from them.
[2024-05-23 03:14:47] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| real scientists don't work that way.  They study the facts and generate theories from them.
[2024-05-23 03:15:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It's important to understand this view otherwise we risk casting those who don't follow our beliefs out forever. This way one can empathise with the flat earthers and the (insert concept here) deniers.
[2024-05-23 03:15:22] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| It's important to understand this view otherwise we risk casting those who don't follow our beliefs out forever. This way one can empathise with the flat earthers and the (insert concept here) deniers.
[2024-05-23 03:15:34] <Lucifer_arma_> there are limits to what we can know.  That's true.  but that doesn't mean we can fill in the blanks with made up shit
[2024-05-23 03:15:34] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| there are limits to what we can know.  That's true.  but that doesn't mean we can fill in the blanks with made up shit
[2024-05-23 03:16:23] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| We shouldn't, true. But it's entirely human to do so
[2024-05-23 03:16:23] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| We shouldn't, true. But it's entirely human to do so
[2024-05-23 03:16:43] <Lucifer_arma_> we dont' have to give a shti about flat earthers.  THey have members all around the globe.  You can also demonstrate that they're wrong pretty easily, they're holding to a political agenda, and we can oppose that
[2024-05-23 03:16:43] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| we dont' have to give a shti about flat earthers.  THey have members all around the globe.  You can also demonstrate that they're wrong pretty easily, they're holding to a political agenda, and we can oppose that
[2024-05-23 03:17:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| But through their lack of understanding they give us ground to further enhance our own understanding
[2024-05-23 03:17:10] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| But through their lack of understanding they give us ground to further enhance our own understanding
[2024-05-23 03:17:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| If we ignore them and say "yes but we know it's not", are we not fooling ourselves into some ownership of knowledge? Is there not always more evidence that can be uncovered to strengthen our case?
[2024-05-23 03:17:43] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| If we ignore them and say "yes but we know it's not", are we not fooling ourselves into some ownership of knowledge? Is there not always more evidence that can be uncovered to strengthen our case?
[2024-05-23 03:17:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| https://tenor.com/view/flat-earth-iron-man-gif-4827993676679154993
[2024-05-23 03:17:49] <armagetron-bridge_> 07discord:Nanu| https://tenor.com/view/flat-earth-iron-man-gif-4827993676679154993
[2024-05-23 03:17:51] <Lucifer_arma_> that's true.  I've learned a lot recently by watching videos responding to flat earthers or moon landing deniers or whoever.  I've definitely learned from that
[2024-05-23 03:17:51] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| that's true.  I've learned a lot recently by watching videos responding to flat earthers or moon landing deniers or whoever.  I've definitely learned from that
[2024-05-23 03:18:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It's something similar to the topic in here yesterday about distasteful advertising methods
[2024-05-23 03:18:38] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| It's something similar to the topic in here yesterday about distasteful advertising methods
[2024-05-23 03:19:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Their ignorance shines the light, for we have forsaken our own through our own journeys
[2024-05-23 03:19:11] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Their ignorance shines the light, for we have forsaken our own through our own journeys
[2024-05-23 03:20:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I miss ignorance, personally. Discovery is something of the purest wonder
[2024-05-23 03:20:01] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| I miss ignorance, personally. Discovery is something of the purest wonder
[2024-05-23 03:20:09] <Lucifer_arma_> the idea of flat testicles is amusing me right now
[2024-05-23 03:20:09] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| the idea of flat testicles is amusing me right now
[2024-05-23 03:20:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| lmao
[2024-05-23 03:20:27] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| lmao
[2024-05-23 03:20:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| That's a good note to get back to my work. The sumo league awaits!
[2024-05-23 03:20:51] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| That's a good note to get back to my work. The sumo league awaits!
[2024-05-23 03:21:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| You should get back on the grid sometime Lucifer. We are going through something of a resurgence
[2024-05-23 03:21:09] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| You should get back on the grid sometime Lucifer. We are going through something of a resurgence
[2024-05-23 03:21:25] <Lucifer_arma_> just remember, satanism is about what's real, and does NOT dictate what's real
[2024-05-23 03:21:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| just remember, satanism is about what's real, and does NOT dictate what's real
[2024-05-23 03:21:53] <Lucifer_arma_> man, I'm getting evicted and moving into my van, I'm not even thinking about the grid right now
[2024-05-23 03:21:54] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| man, I'm getting evicted and moving into my van, I'm not even thinking about the grid right now
[2024-05-23 03:22:25] <Lucifer_arma_> I got the order to vacate in 24 hours today, so tomorrow when I'm here, I'll be in my van in some random parking lot somewhere near my work
[2024-05-23 03:22:25] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I got the order to vacate in 24 hours today, so tomorrow when I'm here, I'll be in my van in some random parking lot somewhere near my work
[2024-05-23 03:22:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Everyone needs an escape. But I understand, thank you for the conversation, one of the more interesting ones I've had recently
[2024-05-23 03:22:33] <armagetron-bridge_> 06discord:Syn| Everyone needs an escape. But I understand, thank you for the conversation, one of the more interesting ones I've had recently
[2024-05-23 03:23:24] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| You can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink
[2024-05-23 03:23:24] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| You can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink
[2024-05-23 03:23:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Did someone doesn't ask my opinion or knowledge I don't bother forcing it on them
[2024-05-23 03:23:37] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Did someone doesn't ask my opinion or knowledge I don't bother forcing it on them
[2024-05-23 03:23:57] <Lucifer_arma_> I'll be back at some point, but right now, I have to pack up the things I need in my van immediately tomorrow, because I have a limited window to do it
[2024-05-23 03:23:57] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I'll be back at some point, but right now, I have to pack up the things I need in my van immediately tomorrow, because I have a limited window to do it
[2024-05-23 03:24:55] <Lucifer_arma_> SIde point: expressing your views isn't forcing them on someone else.  
[2024-05-23 03:24:56] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| SIde point: expressing your views isn't forcing them on someone else.
[2024-05-23 03:27:26] <Lucifer_arma_> I actually have lots of conversations with people because I wear a ring with the sign of baphomet on it, and people are curious.  I haven't encountered anyone in person who objects to it, which is different than what I've encountered here, where every few years, some asshole comes along and says I'm evil because of my name
[2024-05-23 03:27:26] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| I actually have lots of conversations with people because I wear a ring with the sign of baphomet on it, and people are curious.  I haven't encountered anyone in person who objects to it, which is different than what I've encountered here, where every few years, some asshole comes along and says I'm evil because of my name
[2024-05-23 03:27:49] <Lucifer_arma_> just go search the forums, it's there, but it was more in servers, which are not searchable.
[2024-05-23 03:27:50] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| just go search the forums, it's there, but it was more in servers, which are not searchable.
[2024-05-23 03:27:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Totally valid. I may offer my opinion openly from time to time but if someone doesn't agree then that's all them
[2024-05-23 03:27:58] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| Totally valid. I may offer my opinion openly from time to time but if someone doesn't agree then that's all them
[2024-05-23 03:29:15] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| My dog's name are Lucifer and Lilith Lucy and Lily for short lol
[2024-05-23 03:29:15] <armagetron-bridge_> 02discord:niveK.POT| My dog's name are Lucifer and Lilith Lucy and Lily for short lol
[2024-05-23 03:29:48] <Lucifer_arma_> People have called me Luci for years as a nickname.  I love it.  I love that your dogs are Lucifer and Lilith.
[2024-05-23 03:29:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| People have called me Luci for years as a nickname.  I love it.  I love that your dogs are Lucifer and Lilith.
[2024-05-23 03:30:49] <Lucifer_arma_> My ex wife loved me being called LUci, too, because her mom's name was Lucy.  Her mom also held up the football and yanked it away.  She was abusive.
[2024-05-23 03:30:49] <armagetronbridge> 06irc:Lucifer_arma_| My ex wife loved me being called LUci, too, because her mom's name was Lucy.  Her mom also held up the football and yanked it away.  She was abusive.
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