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[2024-06-11 03:08:08] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Yeah this is definitely a good idea. It's easier said than done to create the intricate mazes we can do in tron using my little creator though
[2024-06-11 03:08:08] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Yeah this is definitely a good idea. It's easier said than done to create the intricate mazes we can do in tron using my little creator though
[2024-06-11 03:08:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| arma gets away with not being pixel perfect, these designs don't have that luxury
[2024-06-11 03:08:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| arma gets away with not being pixel perfect, these designs don't have that luxury
[2024-06-11 04:49:03] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I feel like with how small and old the armagetron/retrocyles community is and how tight we all are the onboarding process shouldn't be needed but i also understand we need a way to filter out the bad members that join but i feel like theirs a better way to go about it. And should look into other ways to do so. 
[2024-06-11 04:49:03] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| I feel like with how small and old the armagetron/retrocyles community is and how tight we all are the onboarding process shouldn't be needed but i also understand we need a way to filter out the bad members that join but i feel like theirs a better way to go about it. And should look into other ways to do so. 
[2024-06-11 04:49:04] <armagetronbridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| But until retrocycles blows up and we get a masssive influx of members we should remove it until a better process is put into place. We want to grow has a game and a community and we should make that easiest and smoothest has possible for new members.
[2024-06-11 04:49:04] <armagetron-bridge> 12discord:Rx.Luigi (Best LDF Player Ever)| But until retrocycles blows up and we get a masssive influx of members we should remove it until a better process is put into place. We want to grow has a game and a community and we should make that easiest and smoothest has possible for new members.
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[2024-06-11 08:15:37] <nivek311> Never used IRC before so I figured id mess around and try it lol This is the only IRC channel I even know of
[2024-06-11 08:15:42] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Never used IRC before so I figured id mess around and try it lol This is the only IRC channel I even know of
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[2024-06-11 08:56:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| a legendary protocol
[2024-06-11 08:56:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a legendary protocol
[2024-06-11 08:56:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| one of the first shitty things i built was an irc client
[2024-06-11 08:56:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| one of the first shitty things i built was an irc client
[2024-06-11 08:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| code is still somewhere… c#
[2024-06-11 08:56:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| code is still somewhere… c#
[2024-06-11 09:06:56] <nivek311> How did you get started programming? I've dabbled in the basics but never really found that I ever really learned to program anything other than copying tutorials lol
[2024-06-11 09:06:56] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| How did you get started programming? I've dabbled in the basics but never really found that I ever really learned to program anything other than copying tutorials lol
[2024-06-11 09:22:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I have a somewhat unique story cause I got picked up by the government but on the whole it's a very self driven, creative field
[2024-06-11 09:22:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I have a somewhat unique story cause I got picked up by the government but on the whole it's a very self driven, creative field
[2024-06-11 09:23:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| All you need is the will to create something
[2024-06-11 09:23:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| All you need is the will to create something
[2024-06-11 09:23:52] <nivek311> ya i've told myself the same thing but I guess I just havent thought of something to interesting to create
[2024-06-11 09:23:53] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| ya i've told myself the same thing but I guess I just havent thought of something to interesting to create
[2024-06-11 09:24:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Many will tell you about courses and certificates etc etc but I found that problem based learning is the way to go. Get your hands dirty asap
[2024-06-11 09:24:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Many will tell you about courses and certificates etc etc but I found that problem based learning is the way to go. Get your hands dirty asap
[2024-06-11 09:25:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| There's lots to learn in reinventing the wheel too. Like above, pick a common protocol (HTTP, FTP, SSH, IRC, SMTP, whatever) and learn about it and then build a client for it. There's so much joy you get out of using software you've built with your own hands
[2024-06-11 09:25:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| There's lots to learn in reinventing the wheel too. Like above, pick a common protocol (HTTP, FTP, SSH, IRC, SMTP, whatever) and learn about it and then build a client for it. There's so much joy you get out of using software you've built with your own hands
[2024-06-11 09:26:27] <nivek311> Have had some game ideas but I struggle to stay focused and kinda get caught up on the fact I can't draw or do graphic design so making a game solo seems unrealistic. Simple shapes like ive seen some indies do just wouldn't satisfy me lol
[2024-06-11 09:26:27] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Have had some game ideas but I struggle to stay focused and kinda get caught up on the fact I can't draw or do graphic design so making a game solo seems unrealistic. Simple shapes like ive seen some indies do just wouldn't satisfy me lol
[2024-06-11 09:26:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| offensive security is also a lot of fun. capture the flags, bug bounties, etc.
[2024-06-11 09:26:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| offensive security is also a lot of fun. capture the flags, bug bounties, etc.
[2024-06-11 09:26:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://hackthebox.com
[2024-06-11 09:26:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://hackthebox.com
[2024-06-11 09:26:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://tryhackme.com/
[2024-06-11 09:26:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://tryhackme.com/
[2024-06-11 09:27:36] <nivek311> Trying to break security systems made to be hacked or something?
[2024-06-11 09:27:37] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Trying to break security systems made to be hacked or something?
[2024-06-11 09:28:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| thats exactly the case in capture the flag exercies yep
[2024-06-11 09:28:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| thats exactly the case in capture the flag exercies yep
[2024-06-11 09:28:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| in bug bounty big companies will pay you (in some cases tens of thousands of dollars) to find critical vulnerabilities in their systems so they can patch them before they're exploited
[2024-06-11 09:28:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| in bug bounty big companies will pay you (in some cases tens of thousands of dollars) to find critical vulnerabilities in their systems so they can patch them before they're exploited
[2024-06-11 09:29:04] <nivek311> Well although I somehow managed to get around my schools firewall to play tron back in highschool i dont know the first thing about security hacking, I don't even remember what I did in highschool lol
[2024-06-11 09:29:05] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Well although I somehow managed to get around my schools firewall to play tron back in highschool i dont know the first thing about security hacking, I don't even remember what I did in highschool lol
[2024-06-11 09:30:19] <nivek311> As for my programming attempts to learn I had a book on python years ago and have had several sessions of game dev. Only ever made simple or incomplete games lol
[2024-06-11 09:30:20] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| As for my programming attempts to learn I had a book on python years ago and have had several sessions of game dev. Only ever made simple or incomplete games lol
[2024-06-11 09:31:16] <nivek311> I think it was Python for dummies lol. Sounds corny but I was actually learning from it. Didnt use it so i lost it I guess because I couldnt write a simple script today lol
[2024-06-11 09:31:16] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| I think it was Python for dummies lol. Sounds corny but I was actually learning from it. Didnt use it so i lost it I guess because I couldnt write a simple script today lol
[2024-06-11 09:32:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Before I started on much practical security stuff I had a lot of theory to learn about networking and the internet and how data moves generally
[2024-06-11 09:32:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Before I started on much practical security stuff I had a lot of theory to learn about networking and the internet and how data moves generally
[2024-06-11 09:32:23] <nivek311> Ya sounds like that would help
[2024-06-11 09:32:23] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Ya sounds like that would help
[2024-06-11 09:32:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| You might get value out of learning for example what an API is and what the TCP/IP stack is and how they work together
[2024-06-11 09:32:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| You might get value out of learning for example what an API is and what the TCP/IP stack is and how they work together
[2024-06-11 09:32:43] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| what even is that irc thing ive never even heard of it
[2024-06-11 09:32:43] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| what even is that irc thing ive never even heard of it
[2024-06-11 09:33:10] <nivek311> Well its an old way of instant chat
[2024-06-11 09:33:10] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Well its an old way of instant chat
[2024-06-11 09:33:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it's just a protocol, a rule for the way data is sent
[2024-06-11 09:33:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it's just a protocol, a rule for the way data is sent
[2024-06-11 09:33:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It stands for internet relay chat
[2024-06-11 09:33:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| It stands for internet relay chat
[2024-06-11 09:33:25] <nivek311> The server/channel for armagetron is linked in with discord via a bot
[2024-06-11 09:33:25] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| The server/channel for armagetron is linked in with discord via a bot
[2024-06-11 09:33:59] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| since its a protocol like HTTP or FTP there's no 1 program and instead offers a way to access chatrooms like this in a decentralised format. Very useful for certain types of individuals
[2024-06-11 09:33:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| since its a protocol like HTTP or FTP there's no 1 program and instead offers a way to access chatrooms like this in a decentralised format. Very useful for certain types of individuals
[2024-06-11 09:34:25] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| what are you actually typingthrough?
[2024-06-11 09:34:25] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| what are you actually typingthrough?
[2024-06-11 09:34:39] <nivek311> well there are mulitiple clients for an irc
[2024-06-11 09:34:39] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| well there are mulitiple clients for an irc
[2024-06-11 09:34:47] <nivek311> right now im using one via my linux terminal
[2024-06-11 09:34:47] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| right now im using one via my linux terminal
[2024-06-11 09:35:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| hexchat is supposed to be quite good
[2024-06-11 09:35:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| hexchat is supposed to be quite good
[2024-06-11 09:35:07] <nivek311> honestly I only set it up because i was rewatching mr robot lolz
[2024-06-11 09:35:08] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| honestly I only set it up because i was rewatching mr robot lolz
[2024-06-11 09:35:13] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| awesome show
[2024-06-11 09:35:13] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| awesome show
[2024-06-11 09:35:18] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| goes a bit crazy towards the end tho
[2024-06-11 09:35:19] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| goes a bit crazy towards the end tho
[2024-06-11 09:35:28] <nivek311> I didnt finish the first time
[2024-06-11 09:35:28] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| I didnt finish the first time
[2024-06-11 09:35:31] <nivek311> no spoilers lolz
[2024-06-11 09:35:31] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| no spoilers lolz
[2024-06-11 09:35:40] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| kk
[2024-06-11 09:35:40] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| kk
[2024-06-11 09:37:46] <nivek311> so Syn what would be an example of finding a programming "problem" to be solved? See I think the issue with me following tutorials is its just regurgitating what im reading/watching. Having something that I need to figure out without a walkthrough would actually teach me something
[2024-06-11 09:37:47] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| so Syn what would be an example of finding a programming "problem" to be solved? See I think the issue with me following tutorials is its just regurgitating what im reading/watching. Having something that I need to figure out without a walkthrough would actually teach me something
[2024-06-11 09:38:45] <nivek311> I could just work on actually finishing a game project lol
[2024-06-11 09:38:45] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| I could just work on actually finishing a game project lol
[2024-06-11 09:53:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| The modern classic has to be the todo list
[2024-06-11 09:53:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| The modern classic has to be the todo list
[2024-06-11 09:54:10] <nivek311> program a todo list?
[2024-06-11 09:54:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| It's an awesome project because it scales with complexity as you get more comfortable with it
[2024-06-11 09:54:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| It's an awesome project because it scales with complexity as you get more comfortable with it
[2024-06-11 09:54:11] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| program a todo list?
[2024-06-11 09:54:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yep
[2024-06-11 09:54:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yep
[2024-06-11 09:54:19] <nivek311> Interesting
[2024-06-11 09:54:20] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Interesting
[2024-06-11 09:55:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it comprises all 4 parts of what we call as CRUD architecture for data manipulation
[2024-06-11 09:55:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it comprises all 4 parts of what we call as CRUD architecture for data manipulation
[2024-06-11 09:55:12] <nivek311> probably easy to make stuff like that to run in a command line on linux? A GUI seems like it would be more work
[2024-06-11 09:55:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Create
[2024-06-11 09:55:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Create
[2024-06-11 09:55:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Read
[2024-06-11 09:55:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Read
[2024-06-11 09:55:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Update
[2024-06-11 09:55:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Update
[2024-06-11 09:55:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Delete
[2024-06-11 09:55:17] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Delete
[2024-06-11 09:55:18] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| probably easy to make stuff like that to run in a command line on linux? A GUI seems like it would be more work
[2024-06-11 09:55:36] <nivek311> Well I'll put that on my todo list ;)
[2024-06-11 09:55:36] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Well I'll put that on my todo list ;)
[2024-06-11 09:55:41] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure very easy to do on a command line to start with
[2024-06-11 09:55:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for sure very easy to do on a command line to start with
[2024-06-11 09:56:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I basically live on the web so it's natural for me to recommend you to build a website with your todo list
[2024-06-11 09:56:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I basically live on the web so it's natural for me to recommend you to build a website with your todo list
[2024-06-11 09:56:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| then you can build it out into a portfolio that you can share etc
[2024-06-11 09:56:20] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| then you can build it out into a portfolio that you can share etc
[2024-06-11 09:56:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| If you want to look into web development and making websites I would recommend to checkout react
[2024-06-11 09:56:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| If you want to look into web development and making websites I would recommend to checkout react
[2024-06-11 09:57:02] <nivek311> I think using command line applications is fun. Probably just a thing from hacker movies but honestly I enjoy using at my command terminal
[2024-06-11 09:57:02] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| I think using command line applications is fun. Probably just a thing from hacker movies but honestly I enjoy using at my command terminal
[2024-06-11 09:57:16] <nivek311> Wait making a website with the todo list?
[2024-06-11 09:57:16] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Wait making a website with the todo list?
[2024-06-11 09:57:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yep!
[2024-06-11 09:57:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yep!
[2024-06-11 09:57:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but if you wanna use a CLI (command line interface) thats cool too
[2024-06-11 09:57:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but if you wanna use a CLI (command line interface) thats cool too
[2024-06-11 09:57:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| whatever gets you typing out some code first 😉
[2024-06-11 09:57:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| whatever gets you typing out some code first 😉
[2024-06-11 09:57:58] <nivek311> do you mean the todo list would be on a website?
[2024-06-11 09:57:59] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| do you mean the todo list would be on a website?
[2024-06-11 09:58:53] <nivek311> When creating a website from scratch would it be hosted from your home pc or some server service?
[2024-06-11 09:58:54] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| When creating a website from scratch would it be hosted from your home pc or some server service?
[2024-06-11 09:59:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it starts on your home pc then when you're happy with it you'd deploy it to a server somewhere
[2024-06-11 09:59:27] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it starts on your home pc then when you're happy with it you'd deploy it to a server somewhere
[2024-06-11 09:59:38] <nivek311> Ya i see
[2024-06-11 09:59:39] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Ya i see
[2024-06-11 10:01:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but code is just code, once you make it as a command line application its simple to use the same code to make it into a web ui if you're so inclined
[2024-06-11 10:01:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but code is just code, once you make it as a command line application its simple to use the same code to make it into a web ui if you're so inclined
[2024-06-11 10:01:31] <nivek311> That makes sense
[2024-06-11 10:01:31] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| That makes sense
[2024-06-11 10:04:23] <nivek311> Another thing I've always questioned is what language to study and ive seen a lot of answers to that question lol
[2024-06-11 10:04:23] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Another thing I've always questioned is what language to study and ive seen a lot of answers to that question lol
[2024-06-11 10:05:36] <nivek311> I started with python and did some C# on unity and some Gdscript on godot
[2024-06-11 10:05:36] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| I started with python and did some C# on unity and some Gdscript on godot
[2024-06-11 10:06:14] <nivek311> With python i was actually learning the code, with the others i was more learning the game engine, but still coding involved
[2024-06-11 10:06:15] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| With python i was actually learning the code, with the others i was more learning the game engine, but still coding involved
[2024-06-11 10:18:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah its another one of those questions depends on what you're building
[2024-06-11 10:18:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah its another one of those questions depends on what you're building
[2024-06-11 10:19:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| at the entry level just pick whatever you like but as you get higher up the proverbial skill ladder you'll see that some languages are much better for certain applications
[2024-06-11 10:19:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| at the entry level just pick whatever you like but as you get higher up the proverbial skill ladder you'll see that some languages are much better for certain applications
[2024-06-11 10:19:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| python is amazing to learn since it has a friendly syntax but it doesn't get much love in professional development outside of scripting/data science
[2024-06-11 10:19:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| python is amazing to learn since it has a friendly syntax but it doesn't get much love in professional development outside of scripting/data science
[2024-06-11 10:20:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it's very hard to build things for the web in a way that makes sense without javascript
[2024-06-11 10:20:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it's very hard to build things for the web in a way that makes sense without javascript
[2024-06-11 10:20:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and because the web is still expanding at a pretty craze rate javascript is the safest bet for the future and for employment
[2024-06-11 10:20:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and because the web is still expanding at a pretty craze rate javascript is the safest bet for the future and for employment
[2024-06-11 10:21:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but the OGs around here will tell you that to get real performance and to understand what's going on under the hood of these abstract languages something like a C++ or even a C will teach you all you need to know and more about memory and registers and buffers etc
[2024-06-11 10:21:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but the OGs around here will tell you that to get real performance and to understand what's going on under the hood of these abstract languages something like a C++ or even a C will teach you all you need to know and more about memory and registers and buffers etc
[2024-06-11 10:21:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I build pretty much everything in typescript which is just javascript but with some extra guard rails in the forms of a type system
[2024-06-11 10:21:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I build pretty much everything in typescript which is just javascript but with some extra guard rails in the forms of a type system
[2024-06-11 10:22:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| so yeah if you're just going to learn one language and one language only id recommend javascript but that's primarily because that's where I live now lol
[2024-06-11 10:22:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so yeah if you're just going to learn one language and one language only id recommend javascript but that's primarily because that's where I live now lol
[2024-06-11 10:23:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| install node.js and you can run javascript on the command line just like python as well as being able to make websites etc with ease using the latest and greatest frameworks like nextjs remix etc
[2024-06-11 10:23:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| install node.js and you can run javascript on the command line just like python as well as being able to make websites etc with ease using the latest and greatest frameworks like nextjs remix etc
[2024-06-11 10:24:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1250093246894440590/u0b2pzrdx2t01.png?ex=6669af8f&is=66685e0f&hm=1342ef13afdd7a79c63c12458e2bd70652d9b84023e193a81edc277e22689a1d&
[2024-06-11 10:24:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1250093246894440590/u0b2pzrdx2t01.png?ex=6669af8f&is=66685e0f&hm=1342ef13afdd7a79c63c12458e2bd70652d9b84023e193a81edc277e22689a1d&
[2024-06-11 10:25:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| dont tell anyone i said this but the framework war is over and react won
[2024-06-11 10:25:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| dont tell anyone i said this but the framework war is over and react won
[2024-06-11 10:26:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| now we build frameworks on top of the framework :bigbrain:
[2024-06-11 10:26:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| now we build frameworks on top of the framework :bigbrain:
[2024-06-11 10:29:31] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Just out of curiosity why does it seem that python got left behind? Does it have some limitations but keep people away from it?
[2024-06-11 10:29:31] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Just out of curiosity why does it seem that python got left behind? Does it have some limitations but keep people away from it?
[2024-06-11 10:30:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i wouldnt say python get left behind as much as it got specialised
[2024-06-11 10:30:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i wouldnt say python get left behind as much as it got specialised
[2024-06-11 10:30:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh yeah I guess I just don't understand the differences between the languages is enough to understand why people pick certain things to do certain things
[2024-06-11 10:30:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Oh yeah I guess I just don't understand the differences between the languages is enough to understand why people pick certain things to do certain things
[2024-06-11 10:31:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| there are many many answers to that question and a lot of them are conjecture rather than plain fact but from from my pov its mostly because of javascripts dominance in the front end
[2024-06-11 10:31:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| there are many many answers to that question and a lot of them are conjecture rather than plain fact but from from my pov its mostly because of javascripts dominance in the front end
[2024-06-11 10:32:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its now not so simple to make a website purely with python, you will need html css and maybe even js in there somewhere
[2024-06-11 10:32:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its now not so simple to make a website purely with python, you will need html css and maybe even js in there somewhere
[2024-06-11 10:32:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| on the other hand js development has kinda exploded so it can pretty much do everything
[2024-06-11 10:32:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| on the other hand js development has kinda exploded so it can pretty much do everything
[2024-06-11 10:32:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| again OGs will get in here and talk about the single threaded nature of these languages and how they are limited in that degree
[2024-06-11 10:32:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| again OGs will get in here and talk about the single threaded nature of these languages and how they are limited in that degree
[2024-06-11 10:32:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but this has affected python more than JS, python used to be (still kinda is) the absolute king for machine learning and data science and what eventually became AI
[2024-06-11 10:32:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but this has affected python more than JS, python used to be (still kinda is) the absolute king for machine learning and data science and what eventually became AI
[2024-06-11 10:33:20] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Interesting
[2024-06-11 10:33:20] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Interesting
[2024-06-11 10:34:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but now with the strict hardware requirements around AI python suffers in the areas of speed because of its high level interpreter and dynamic typing (the thing that makes it easy to read and learn also makes it slow)
[2024-06-11 10:34:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but now with the strict hardware requirements around AI python suffers in the areas of speed because of its high level interpreter and dynamic typing (the thing that makes it easy to read and learn also makes it slow)
[2024-06-11 10:35:11] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well maybe I'll give some simple in JavaScript a try sometime
[2024-06-11 10:35:11] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well maybe I'll give some simple in JavaScript a try sometime
[2024-06-11 10:36:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| they are basically the same thing as high level languages, theyre both interpreted rather than compiled as well as having dynamic types (until typescript gets involved)
[2024-06-11 10:36:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| they are basically the same thing as high level languages, theyre both interpreted rather than compiled as well as having dynamic types (until typescript gets involved)
[2024-06-11 10:36:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Python:
[2024-06-11 10:36:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Python:
[2024-06-11 10:36:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```python
[2024-06-11 10:36:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```python
[2024-06-11 10:36:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| # Python
[2024-06-11 10:36:49] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| # Python
[2024-06-11 10:36:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| name = "John"
[2024-06-11 10:36:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| name = "John"
[2024-06-11 10:36:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| age = 30
[2024-06-11 10:36:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| age = 30
[2024-06-11 10:36:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if age >= 18:
[2024-06-11 10:36:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if age >= 18:
[2024-06-11 10:36:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     print(name + " is an adult.")
[2024-06-11 10:36:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     print(name + " is an adult.")
[2024-06-11 10:36:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| else:
[2024-06-11 10:36:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| else:
[2024-06-11 10:36:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     print(name + " is a minor.")
[2024-06-11 10:36:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     print(name + " is a minor.")
[2024-06-11 10:36:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for i in range(5):
[2024-06-11 10:36:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for i in range(5):
[2024-06-11 10:36:59] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     print("Current value of i:", i)
[2024-06-11 10:37:00] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     print("Current value of i:", i)
[2024-06-11 10:37:01] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-06-11 10:37:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-06-11 10:37:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| The exact same code in JS
[2024-06-11 10:37:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| The exact same code in JS
[2024-06-11 10:37:03] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```js
[2024-06-11 10:37:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```js
[2024-06-11 10:37:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| // JavaScript
[2024-06-11 10:37:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| // JavaScript
[2024-06-11 10:37:06] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| let name = "John";
[2024-06-11 10:37:06] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| let name = "John";
[2024-06-11 10:37:07] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| let age = 30;
[2024-06-11 10:37:07] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| let age = 30;
[2024-06-11 10:37:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if (age >= 18) {
[2024-06-11 10:37:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if (age >= 18) {
[2024-06-11 10:37:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log(name + " is an adult.");
[2024-06-11 10:37:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log(name + " is an adult.");
[2024-06-11 10:37:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| } else {
[2024-06-11 10:37:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| } else {
[2024-06-11 10:37:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log(name + " is a minor.");
[2024-06-11 10:37:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log(name + " is a minor.");
[2024-06-11 10:37:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| }
[2024-06-11 10:37:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| }
[2024-06-11 10:37:15] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for (let i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
[2024-06-11 10:37:15] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for (let i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
[2024-06-11 10:37:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log("Current value of i:", i);
[2024-06-11 10:37:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn|     console.log("Current value of i:", i);
[2024-06-11 10:37:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| }
[2024-06-11 10:37:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| }
[2024-06-11 10:37:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-06-11 10:37:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ```
[2024-06-11 10:37:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| just a little bit more syntax in js but nothing compared to what this would look like in c or c++
[2024-06-11 10:37:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| just a little bit more syntax in js but nothing compared to what this would look like in c or c++
[2024-06-11 10:46:35] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Yeah that looks manageable specially since my memory on python syntax is foggy anyways lol
[2024-06-11 10:46:36] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Yeah that looks manageable specially since my memory on python syntax is foggy anyways lol
[2024-06-11 10:47:33] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I guess the general description of JavaScript made it sound like it was mostly just for website stuff and I never really had an interest
[2024-06-11 10:47:33] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I guess the general description of JavaScript made it sound like it was mostly just for website stuff and I never really had an interest
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[2024-06-11 11:15:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it is mostly web stuff tbf but these days the web is getting so powerful you can do much more than make a simple website
[2024-06-11 11:15:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it is mostly web stuff tbf but these days the web is getting so powerful you can do much more than make a simple website
[2024-06-11 11:15:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| take nelgs armawebtron for example
[2024-06-11 11:15:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| take nelgs armawebtron for example
[2024-06-11 11:16:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| https://egghunt.merci-michel.com/
[2024-06-11 11:16:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| https://egghunt.merci-michel.com/
[2024-06-11 11:16:02] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| easy game creation on the web with threejs
[2024-06-11 11:16:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| easy game creation on the web with threejs
[2024-06-11 11:16:52] <nivek311> Ya I can see the value these days, websites used to be pretty simple and anything fancy was ran through flash lol
[2024-06-11 11:16:53] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Ya I can see the value these days, websites used to be pretty simple and anything fancy was ran through flash lol
[2024-06-11 11:18:42] <nivek311> Lol just tried it, it a very simple game but they went all out making it look good haha
[2024-06-11 11:18:43] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Lol just tried it, it a very simple game but they went all out making it look good haha
[2024-06-11 11:19:35] <nivek311> Can you do like mobile game controls on a web game like that? Im sure you can do keyboard inputs right?
[2024-06-11 11:19:36] <armagetronbridge> 08irc:nivek311| Can you do like mobile game controls on a web game like that? Im sure you can do keyboard inputs right?
[2024-06-11 12:09:49] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| absolutely yep
[2024-06-11 12:09:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| absolutely yep
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[2024-06-11 17:45:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| @dorianv https://store.steampowered.com/app/2923300/Banana/
[2024-06-11 17:45:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| @dorianv https://store.steampowered.com/app/2923300/Banana/
[2024-06-11 20:02:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| Bananu!
[2024-06-11 20:02:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| Bananu!
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