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[2024-06-12 05:21:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| @syn_acc so earlier I mentioned that I felt like I hadn't learned much from following step-by-step tutorials and you had mentioned the idea of making it a to-do list application as a beginner challenge. Do you have any suggestions on how I could go about learning to complete that challenge without necessarily following a step by step tutorial? I feel like when I follow the tutori <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 05:21:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| als I am simply copying the code and has a type and not really absorbing much understanding even when paying attention to their explanations of the syntax and such things
[2024-06-12 05:21:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| @syn_acc so earlier I mentioned that I felt like I hadn't learned much from following step-by-step tutorials and you had mentioned the idea of making it a to-do list application as a beginner challenge. Do you have any suggestions on how I could go about learning to complete that challenge without necessarily following a step by step tutorial? I feel like when I follow the tutori <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 05:21:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| als I am simply copying the code and has a type and not really absorbing much understanding even when paying attention to their explanations of the syntax and such things
[2024-06-12 05:25:23] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I feel like that learning approach is similar to watching a math teacher solve a math problem and just copying down what he writes will that learning and how to solve the equation yourself
[2024-06-12 05:25:23] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I feel like that learning approach is similar to watching a math teacher solve a math problem and just copying down what he writes will that learning and how to solve the equation yourself
[2024-06-12 05:30:50] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| i feel like following a couple tutorials at the very start can be helpful just to get the feel of things, even if you arent doing much of the thinking yourself..
[2024-06-12 05:30:50] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| once you start to understand the premises or principles of how you go about making something, then you can go about making something with no direct tutorial... 
[2024-06-12 05:30:50] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| i feel like following a couple tutorials at the very start can be helpful just to get the feel of things, even if you arent doing much of the thinking yourself..
[2024-06-12 05:30:51] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| once you start to understand the premises or principles of how you go about making something, then you can go about making something with no direct tutorial... 
[2024-06-12 05:30:51] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| then you would be researching for more specific things, for exmaple if you were trying to make a typeracing game, the first thing you could learn is how to add a text box, then after that how to generate random words to type, then how to change colour of text as you type it to indicate if its done correctly or not.. etc etc
[2024-06-12 05:30:52] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| then you would be researching for more specific things, for exmaple if you were trying to make a typeracing game, the first thing you could learn is how to add a text box, then after that how to generate random words to type, then how to change colour of text as you type it to indicate if its done correctly or not.. etc etc
[2024-06-12 05:30:53] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| after a while of googling and learning small things you will have a working game
[2024-06-12 05:30:54] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| i guess thats how you would start to make stuff without step-by-step tutorials
[2024-06-12 05:30:54] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| after a while of googling and learning small things you will have a working game
[2024-06-12 05:30:55] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| i guess thats how you would start to make stuff without step-by-step tutorials
[2024-06-12 05:30:56] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| sry i know u asked syn but thats my take on it anyway
[2024-06-12 05:30:56] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| sry i know u asked syn but thats my take on it anyway
[2024-06-12 05:35:44] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Hey any input is welcome I'm not saying I've never done the step-by-step tutorials I just feel like I'm having a hard time moving past that part I suppose. I do have some game projects that I have gotten through most of the tutorial and then stop there but part of the problem for me when it comes to that is not being able to make my own graffic assets for the game. I can't draw a <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 05:35:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Hey any input is welcome I'm not saying I've never done the step-by-step tutorials I just feel like I'm having a hard time moving past that part I suppose. I do have some game projects that I have gotten through most of the tutorial and then stop there but part of the problem for me when it comes to that is not being able to make my own graffic assets for the game. I can't draw a <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 05:35:45] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| nd I'm not artistically creative like that. So I guess my expectation at some point would be for me to learn how to make simple programs unassisted but maybe I'm just expecting silly things
[2024-06-12 05:35:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| nd I'm not artistically creative like that. So I guess my expectation at some point would be for me to learn how to make simple programs unassisted but maybe I'm just expecting silly things
[2024-06-12 05:40:19] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| there are royalty free game assets and vectors out there for anyone to use i think, you dont have to be a jack of all trades
[2024-06-12 05:40:20] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| there are royalty free game assets and vectors out there for anyone to use i think, you dont have to be a jack of all trades
[2024-06-12 05:40:20] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| just set your goal for something, and tackle it step by step.. firstly a main menu and so forth.. think logically about what the next step is, and google it
[2024-06-12 05:40:21] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| just set your goal for something, and tackle it step by step.. firstly a main menu and so forth.. think logically about what the next step is, and google it
[2024-06-12 05:40:22] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| but there are definetly better people to ask than me about this stuff
[2024-06-12 05:40:22] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| but there are definetly better people to ask than me about this stuff
[2024-06-12 05:40:57] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| The only problem with trying to use asset packs is they don't always fit together well but yes I am aware
[2024-06-12 05:40:57] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| The only problem with trying to use asset packs is they don't always fit together well but yes I am aware
[2024-06-12 05:41:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I continue on a game Dev project I'll probably just focus on the mechanics and workings of it and potentially consider outsourcing for the graphics or partnering with someone who would like to develop it with me as lead artist
[2024-06-12 05:41:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I continue on a game Dev project I'll probably just focus on the mechanics and workings of it and potentially consider outsourcing for the graphics or partnering with someone who would like to develop it with me as lead artist
[2024-06-12 05:48:06] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But to be fair to your point I definitely could improve my skills by continuing a game Dev project rather than trying to learn more general programming
[2024-06-12 05:48:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But to be fair to your point I definitely could improve my skills by continuing a game Dev project rather than trying to learn more general programming
[2024-06-12 06:05:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Absolutely I do have suggestions!
[2024-06-12 06:05:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Absolutely I do have suggestions!
[2024-06-12 06:05:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| First things first, your approach is fantastic. Many people will fail to follow this path out of a fear of failure, that is, a fear to ask question and be perceived as “not knowing”, and a great attribute you’re already demonstrating is not showcasing that fear of failure and therefore a fear of feedback. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| First things first, your approach is fantastic. Many people will fail to follow this path out of a fear of failure, that is, a fear to ask question and be perceived as “not knowing”, and a great attribute you’re already demonstrating is not showcasing that fear of failure and therefore a fear of feedback. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| So onto the suggestions, in any project you’re going to start with 1 big question, 1 unknown that if you could solve would solve all the problems beneath that. For you, now, that question might be something like 
[2024-06-12 06:05:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| So onto the suggestions, in any project you’re going to start with 1 big question, 1 unknown that if you could solve would solve all the problems beneath that. For you, now, that question might be something like 
[2024-06-12 06:05:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| “How can I make a todo list in javascript?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| “How can I make a todo list in javascript?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Break the question down. Whilst there may be just 1 we start with, there will be many you need to answer on the way, each one providing you a step with which you can get closer to the original question. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Break the question down. Whilst there may be just 1 we start with, there will be many you need to answer on the way, each one providing you a step with which you can get closer to the original question. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:38] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| So breaking our original question into more fundamental questions is always a good start:
[2024-06-12 06:05:38] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| So breaking our original question into more fundamental questions is always a good start:
[2024-06-12 06:05:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| “What is a todo list?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| “What is a todo list?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| “What is javascript?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| “What is javascript?”
[2024-06-12 06:05:41] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Simple questions on the surface but with a bit of introspection can illuminate a lot of the journey. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Simple questions on the surface but with a bit of introspection can illuminate a lot of the journey. 
[2024-06-12 06:05:43] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| For example, to the answer of “what is a todo list” an easy simple answer could just be “data”, then you can go again; “what is data?” “what sort of data is a todo list made out of?” 
[2024-06-12 06:05:43] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| For example, to the answer of “what is a todo list” an easy simple answer could just be “data”, then you can go again; “what is data?” “what sort of data is a todo list made out of?” 
[2024-06-12 06:05:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Following this process you will eventually find a bunch of answers you know, and a bunch you don’t. Then it’s on you to find the answers, learn the answers. The more you’ve broken down the question, the simpler the answers, the easier they are to remember, and therefore reproduce
[2024-06-12 06:05:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Following this process you will eventually find a bunch of answers you know, and a bunch you don’t. Then it’s on you to find the answers, learn the answers. The more you’ve broken down the question, the simpler the answers, the easier they are to remember, and therefore reproduce
[2024-06-12 06:05:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Then reproduction becomes synonymous with creation and before you know it, you’re doing it without even following this analytical process. That’s where the fun begins.
[2024-06-12 06:05:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Then reproduction becomes synonymous with creation and before you know it, you’re doing it without even following this analytical process. That’s where the fun begins.
[2024-06-12 06:09:50] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Something I quite like is starting out with a "do as I do" exercise. It's the approach that the Head First books do - you get something to basically copy out in order to build an application, getting a little bit of minor explanation alongside the process. I think the idea is to push the reward concept. 
[2024-06-12 06:09:50] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Something I quite like is starting out with a "do as I do" exercise. It's the approach that the Head First books do - you get something to basically copy out in order to build an application, getting a little bit of minor explanation alongside the process. I think the idea is to push the reward concept. 
[2024-06-12 06:09:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Then you start getting in to the nitty gritty, and because you've already built something, shit starts popping out and you're like "huh, ya, this is why that works". That whole approach is probably a big part of why I learnt basic C# in like, two or three months and was hand coding my own shitty web applications at six months in
[2024-06-12 06:09:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Then you start getting in to the nitty gritty, and because you've already built something, shit starts popping out and you're like "huh, ya, this is why that works". That whole approach is probably a big part of why I learnt basic C# in like, two or three months and was hand coding my own shitty web applications at six months in
[2024-06-12 06:10:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| th eonly caveat is that you can easily pick up errible habits along the way. Which of course, I have :D
[2024-06-12 06:10:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| th eonly caveat is that you can easily pick up errible habits along the way. Which of course, I have :D
[2024-06-12 06:11:04] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| There’s a very powerful notion that you can leverage with the thought “I’m doing this, and it’s working, but i’m not sure how or why”
[2024-06-12 06:11:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| There’s a very powerful notion that you can leverage with the thought “I’m doing this, and it’s working, but i’m not sure how or why”
[2024-06-12 06:11:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| A fork in the road, follow it and gain an understanding of the underlying principles, or ignore it and see where your road takes you without that underlying knowledge. You’ll find a lot of stuff you don’t need to know, it just “is”
[2024-06-12 06:11:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| A fork in the road, follow it and gain an understanding of the underlying principles, or ignore it and see where your road takes you without that underlying knowledge. You’ll find a lot of stuff you don’t need to know, it just “is”
[2024-06-12 06:12:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Syn have you ever looked at the head first books? That's kinda exactly their approach, ots of "side quests" as it were. Honestly I learned more using those books than I ever did with any other approach
[2024-06-12 06:12:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Syn have you ever looked at the head first books? That's kinda exactly their approach, ots of "side quests" as it were. Honestly I learned more using those books than I ever did with any other approach
[2024-06-12 06:13:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| At one point I thought about going to university as a mature student, to the point I actually started the college entry route. They tried to deliver these lessons on basic OOP concepts like what an object is... and it was absolutely terrible
[2024-06-12 06:13:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| At one point I thought about going to university as a mature student, to the point I actually started the college entry route. They tried to deliver these lessons on basic OOP concepts like what an object is... and it was absolutely terrible
[2024-06-12 06:13:44] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I haven't heard of those
[2024-06-12 06:13:44] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I haven't heard of those
[2024-06-12 06:13:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| haad on a sec
[2024-06-12 06:13:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| haad on a sec
[2024-06-12 06:14:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| have a deeks at this https://github.com/head-first-csharp/fourth-edition
[2024-06-12 06:14:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| have a deeks at this https://github.com/head-first-csharp/fourth-edition
[2024-06-12 06:14:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| oo
[2024-06-12 06:14:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| oo
[2024-06-12 06:14:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I started wth... I wanna say the first edition? Donkeys ago now, but the apporach is basically the same
[2024-06-12 06:14:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I started wth... I wanna say the first edition? Donkeys ago now, but the apporach is basically the same
[2024-06-12 06:18:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hm. I think I preferred the game that was in the earlier editions ngl, it was a side scroller that felt a bit like those old invasion games
[2024-06-12 06:18:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hm. I think I preferred the game that was in the earlier editions ngl, it was a side scroller that felt a bit like those old invasion games
[2024-06-12 06:19:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| doesn't really matter tbf, I'm just finding something to grumble about
[2024-06-12 06:19:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| doesn't really matter tbf, I'm just finding something to grumble about
[2024-06-12 06:24:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| tbh learning generally is something of a transferrable skill as long as you're doing it right
[2024-06-12 06:24:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| tbh learning generally is something of a transferrable skill as long as you're doing it right
[2024-06-12 06:24:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| doesn't really matter what you're learning as long as you're present enough to extract the novelty wherever it may be
[2024-06-12 06:24:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| doesn't really matter what you're learning as long as you're present enough to extract the novelty wherever it may be
[2024-06-12 06:56:01] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I like the concept of breaking a question down into smaller questions
[2024-06-12 06:56:01] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I like the concept of breaking a question down into smaller questions
[2024-06-12 06:57:40] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now if only I had a handy to-do list to keep track of all these questions...
[2024-06-12 06:57:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now if only I had a handy to-do list to keep track of all these questions...
[2024-06-12 07:00:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Whats a to-do list?
[2024-06-12 07:00:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Whats a to-do list?
[2024-06-12 07:00:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-06-12 07:00:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-06-12 07:02:21] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Where you list important things to do so that you can ignore them all in one place iirc
[2024-06-12 07:02:21] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Where you list important things to do so that you can ignore them all in one place iirc
[2024-06-12 07:02:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ouch, that one was personal
[2024-06-12 07:02:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ouch, that one was personal
[2024-06-12 07:02:53] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| 🤣
[2024-06-12 07:02:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| 🤣
[2024-06-12 07:08:43] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I get past the part of making a to-do list I can make an application that organized the whole question breakdown concept
[2024-06-12 07:08:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I get past the part of making a to-do list I can make an application that organized the whole question breakdown concept
[2024-06-12 07:18:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| fire
[2024-06-12 07:18:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| fire
[2024-06-12 07:19:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| a core concept to get your head around early is that of a dependency
[2024-06-12 07:19:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a core concept to get your head around early is that of a dependency
[2024-06-12 07:20:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| so that you dont spend a lot of time trying to solve an already solved problem
[2024-06-12 07:20:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so that you dont spend a lot of time trying to solve an already solved problem
[2024-06-12 07:23:12] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So I have a big idea of what dependencies are what exactly is it that I should be looking for?
[2024-06-12 07:23:12] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So I have a big idea of what dependencies are what exactly is it that I should be looking for?
[2024-06-12 07:23:37] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| how do you leverage them in different environments
[2024-06-12 07:23:37] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| how do you leverage them in different environments
[2024-06-12 07:23:56] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| for example in python the name of the game is pip, in javascript (node) its npm
[2024-06-12 07:23:56] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| for example in python the name of the game is pip, in javascript (node) its npm
[2024-06-12 07:24:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| can you operate npm or pip to install and use a dependency in your code?
[2024-06-12 07:24:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| can you operate npm or pip to install and use a dependency in your code?
[2024-06-12 07:26:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe the better question is what even is npm, pip, what do they stand for?
[2024-06-12 07:26:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe the better question is what even is npm, pip, what do they stand for?
[2024-06-12 07:29:40] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ok, guess I should strengthen my understanding of dependencies in general then lol
[2024-06-12 07:29:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ok, guess I should strengthen my understanding of dependencies in general then lol
[2024-06-12 07:31:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah it was a trip for me to go through
[2024-06-12 07:31:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah it was a trip for me to go through
[2024-06-12 07:31:47] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| generally realising that most of the code i will ever need has actually already been written
[2024-06-12 07:31:47] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| generally realising that most of the code i will ever need has actually already been written
[2024-06-12 07:31:51] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i just have to put it in the order i want
[2024-06-12 07:31:51] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i just have to put it in the order i want
[2024-06-12 08:03:25] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So earlier I was checking out what different languages are used for and why to maybe narrow down what would interest me most Java is a tempting one since its compatible with all OS and Android and is designed for making full fledged software applications. Of course another interest of mine is automation scripts but a lot of those ideas would be well suited for Android, so althoug <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 08:03:25] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So earlier I was checking out what different languages are used for and why to maybe narrow down what would interest me most Java is a tempting one since its compatible with all OS and Android and is designed for making full fledged software applications. Of course another interest of mine is automation scripts but a lot of those ideas would be well suited for Android, so althoug <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 08:03:26] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| h something like Python is normally used on a PC Java seems the right one for Android stuff. Of course I could just go the JavaScript route and make web apps that can be accessible from any system and possibly from anywhere. I found it interesting to find out JavaScript sorta ripped the name off Java and that the two aren't related at all lol
[2024-06-12 08:03:26] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| h something like Python is normally used on a PC Java seems the right one for Android stuff. Of course I could just go the JavaScript route and make web apps that can be accessible from any system and possibly from anywhere. I found it interesting to find out JavaScript sorta ripped the name off Java and that the two aren't related at all lol
[2024-06-12 08:06:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| common misconception is that java and javascript have any technical relation
[2024-06-12 08:06:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| common misconception is that java and javascript have any technical relation
[2024-06-12 08:06:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| One thing that kind of makes it hard choice for me is that there isn't one language that's great for all the things I want to be able to do. Even though as I understand it some languages can do anything you want it too but will have different means of reaching the end
[2024-06-12 08:06:45] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| One thing that kind of makes it hard choice for me is that there isn't one language that's great for all the things I want to be able to do. Even though as I understand it some languages can do anything you want it too but will have different means of reaching the end
[2024-06-12 08:07:10] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| java makes it hard to build things quickly in my limited experience. powerful language but a lot of boilerplate required to get it started out of the box
[2024-06-12 08:07:10] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| java makes it hard to build things quickly in my limited experience. powerful language but a lot of boilerplate required to get it started out of the box
[2024-06-12 08:07:31] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That's essentially exactly what I've heard
[2024-06-12 08:07:31] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That's essentially exactly what I've heard
[2024-06-12 08:07:43] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That and for some things like doing an automation script the compiling process takes longer for it to run
[2024-06-12 08:07:44] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That and for some things like doing an automation script the compiling process takes longer for it to run
[2024-06-12 08:08:01] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So it sounds great for larger software projects but not so much for small simple quick things
[2024-06-12 08:08:02] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So it sounds great for larger software projects but not so much for small simple quick things
[2024-06-12 08:08:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah so it used to be something youd learn early in your computing career is the difference between compiled languages and interpreted languages
[2024-06-12 08:08:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah so it used to be something youd learn early in your computing career is the difference between compiled languages and interpreted languages
[2024-06-12 08:08:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its less of a thing these days since you dont really need to know what goes on under the hood as much
[2024-06-12 08:08:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its less of a thing these days since you dont really need to know what goes on under the hood as much
[2024-06-12 08:09:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but its good to know that most languages are compiled (theres a step between writing and running) whereas javascript and python are interpreted (each line is read as is line by line and executed)
[2024-06-12 08:09:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but its good to know that most languages are compiled (theres a step between writing and running) whereas javascript and python are interpreted (each line is read as is line by line and executed)
[2024-06-12 08:09:30] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Can't believe it or not I actually have some understanding of that already
[2024-06-12 08:09:30] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Can't believe it or not I actually have some understanding of that already
[2024-06-12 08:09:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| so that compilation step is present in other popular languages like java, c++, c#, go, rust, and more
[2024-06-12 08:09:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| so that compilation step is present in other popular languages like java, c++, c#, go, rust, and more
[2024-06-12 08:10:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I've had some experience with the difference working with game Dev versus working with Python scripts
[2024-06-12 08:10:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I've had some experience with the difference working with game Dev versus working with Python scripts
[2024-06-12 08:10:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and at least personally thats why i use javascript and python mainly for quick scripts
[2024-06-12 08:10:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and at least personally thats why i use javascript and python mainly for quick scripts
[2024-06-12 08:10:19] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| oh nice yeah handy knowledge
[2024-06-12 08:10:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| oh nice yeah handy knowledge
[2024-06-12 08:11:10] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| In an ideal world it sounds like the best approach would be to learn it how to do all the different languages so that way you can apply the right language to the right purpose, alternatively in an ideal world they would just make one language that can do it all as easily as writing in plain English lol
[2024-06-12 08:11:10] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| In an ideal world it sounds like the best approach would be to learn it how to do all the different languages so that way you can apply the right language to the right purpose, alternatively in an ideal world they would just make one language that can do it all as easily as writing in plain English lol
[2024-06-12 08:11:53] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That being said and the world we have now it does seem like it could definitely be a plus two at least have a couple of different languages that can be used for different purposes under your belt
[2024-06-12 08:11:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That being said and the world we have now it does seem like it could definitely be a plus two at least have a couple of different languages that can be used for different purposes under your belt
[2024-06-12 08:12:18] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Or maybe even three let's say if I learn JavaScript Java and python then that would pretty much cover all of my needs
[2024-06-12 08:12:19] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Or maybe even three let's say if I learn JavaScript Java and python then that would pretty much cover all of my needs
[2024-06-12 08:12:32] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But that's getting ahead of myself I really should just learn one thing at a time
[2024-06-12 08:12:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But that's getting ahead of myself I really should just learn one thing at a time
[2024-06-12 08:12:46] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That can be sometimes my downfall is wanting to start a new project or idea before I finished the last one
[2024-06-12 08:12:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That can be sometimes my downfall is wanting to start a new project or idea before I finished the last one
[2024-06-12 08:12:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| For sure, me too
[2024-06-12 08:12:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| For sure, me too
[2024-06-12 08:13:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| As we discussed yesterday what tends to work best for people is to learn the thing as you need the thing
[2024-06-12 08:13:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| As we discussed yesterday what tends to work best for people is to learn the thing as you need the thing
[2024-06-12 08:14:13] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| I wouldnt learn multiple languages simultaneously, unless you plan to write in both of them simultaneously. Just with competitive games, it's usually more beneficial to focus on one thing, get comfortable with it, and then branch out to other options
[2024-06-12 08:14:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| I wouldnt learn multiple languages simultaneously, unless you plan to write in both of them simultaneously. Just with competitive games, it's usually more beneficial to focus on one thing, get comfortable with it, and then branch out to other options
[2024-06-12 08:14:18] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| One approach I could take with this idea is let's say I make it to do list and python then learn how to do it in JavaScript and then learn how to do it in Java and perhaps along the journey I will better learn their differences and what I do and don't like
[2024-06-12 08:14:18] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| One approach I could take with this idea is let's say I make it to do list and python then learn how to do it in JavaScript and then learn how to do it in Java and perhaps along the journey I will better learn their differences and what I do and don't like
[2024-06-12 08:14:39] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| The python version could be a simple script and the JavaScript version could be a simple web page and the Java version could maybe be a mobile app or just a simple desktop app with a UI
[2024-06-12 08:14:40] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| The python version could be a simple script and the JavaScript version could be a simple web page and the Java version could maybe be a mobile app or just a simple desktop app with a UI
[2024-06-12 08:14:46] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| a great project and idea
[2024-06-12 08:14:46] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| a great project and idea
[2024-06-12 08:15:24] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| they all exist in the same kinda plane though where the simplest thing to build is just a script with no ui
[2024-06-12 08:15:24] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| they all exist in the same kinda plane though where the simplest thing to build is just a script with no ui
[2024-06-12 08:15:42] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya makes sense
[2024-06-12 08:15:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya makes sense
[2024-06-12 08:15:50] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That's always probably a good place to start with all three of them
[2024-06-12 08:15:50] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That's always probably a good place to start with all three of them
[2024-06-12 08:15:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| indeed
[2024-06-12 08:15:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| indeed
[2024-06-12 08:16:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| building a web ui is possible in all 3 of those languages as well as building a mobile app or desktop app
[2024-06-12 08:16:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| building a web ui is possible in all 3 of those languages as well as building a mobile app or desktop app
[2024-06-12 08:16:30] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I think the difference is really appear after you've advanced from there like I said for instance Java would be the way to go for an Android app and JavaScript would be the way to go for a website although as far as I can tell python would be best suited to simply run scripts I guess
[2024-06-12 08:16:31] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But I think the difference is really appear after you've advanced from there like I said for instance Java would be the way to go for an Android app and JavaScript would be the way to go for a website although as far as I can tell python would be best suited to simply run scripts I guess
[2024-06-12 08:16:37] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Although I could be under selling python somewhere along that line of thought
[2024-06-12 08:16:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Although I could be under selling python somewhere along that line of thought
[2024-06-12 08:16:53] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| this is a very optimised way of looking at things
[2024-06-12 08:16:53] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| this is a very optimised way of looking at things
[2024-06-12 08:17:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| youd happily develop ios apps and android apps in javascript for years before learning why someone would ever pick java/swift
[2024-06-12 08:17:12] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| youd happily develop ios apps and android apps in javascript for years before learning why someone would ever pick java/swift
[2024-06-12 08:17:31] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Hmm interesting
[2024-06-12 08:17:32] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Hmm interesting
[2024-06-12 08:18:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if i asked you to tell me why java is preferred for android over javascript the answer isnt obvious until you start learning about frameworks and native apis and service providers
[2024-06-12 08:18:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if i asked you to tell me why java is preferred for android over javascript the answer isnt obvious until you start learning about frameworks and native apis and service providers
[2024-06-12 08:18:06] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Could you practically use JavaScript to write desktop applications rather than web apps?
[2024-06-12 08:18:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Could you practically use JavaScript to write desktop applications rather than web apps?
[2024-06-12 08:18:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| we are talking right now in a desktop app written in javascript
[2024-06-12 08:18:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we are talking right now in a desktop app written in javascript
[2024-06-12 08:18:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| assuming you have discord app and not using the website
[2024-06-12 08:18:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| assuming you have discord app and not using the website
[2024-06-12 08:18:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well for my initial understanding so far Java is better integrated for Android development? Or rather was Android developed in a way to accommodate Java better than others I don't know something like that?
[2024-06-12 08:18:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well for my initial understanding so far Java is better integrated for Android development? Or rather was Android developed in a way to accommodate Java better than others I don't know something like that?
[2024-06-12 08:19:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ah interesting
[2024-06-12 08:19:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ah interesting
[2024-06-12 08:19:54] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| androids primary API is built in java so technically under the hood you dont have a choice if you want to use the absolute latest features
[2024-06-12 08:19:54] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| androids primary API is built in java so technically under the hood you dont have a choice if you want to use the absolute latest features
[2024-06-12 08:19:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So would it be arguable to simply stick with a programming language that you know well and apply it to different applications rather than seeking to learn different languages optimized for specific purposes? Or is that just a whole debate?
[2024-06-12 08:19:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| So would it be arguable to simply stick with a programming language that you know well and apply it to different applications rather than seeking to learn different languages optimized for specific purposes? Or is that just a whole debate?
[2024-06-12 08:20:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah absolutely i would recommend that until you run into problems that illuminate why one would ever change languages for different technologies
[2024-06-12 08:20:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah absolutely i would recommend that until you run into problems that illuminate why one would ever change languages for different technologies
[2024-06-12 08:20:52] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| using java just because they said to as opposed to using it because you know its what you need is kinda lame
[2024-06-12 08:20:52] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| using java just because they said to as opposed to using it because you know its what you need is kinda lame
[2024-06-12 08:22:03] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That probably makes it more practical to learn that way anyways. No need to learn the primary language of every country you visit on world tour if your primary language will get you through most interactions without a big fuss
[2024-06-12 08:22:03] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| That probably makes it more practical to learn that way anyways. No need to learn the primary language of every country you visit on world tour if your primary language will get you through most interactions without a big fuss
[2024-06-12 08:22:14] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| facts
[2024-06-12 08:22:14] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| facts
[2024-06-12 08:22:21] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| no issue no problem
[2024-06-12 08:22:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| no issue no problem
[2024-06-12 08:22:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| javascript is definitely the english of the modern world
[2024-06-12 08:22:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| javascript is definitely the english of the modern world
[2024-06-12 08:23:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| its just everywhere, but its not exactly pretty or logical
[2024-06-12 08:23:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| its just everywhere, but its not exactly pretty or logical
[2024-06-12 08:23:35] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| it won because of complicated historical reasons
[2024-06-12 08:23:35] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| it won because of complicated historical reasons
[2024-06-12 08:24:07] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well considering I'm most familiar with Python (and gdscript in Godot is considered python like, and my near future game dev work will probably be with Godot.) then maybe I'll continue with that
[2024-06-12 08:24:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Well considering I'm most familiar with Python (and gdscript in Godot is considered python like, and my near future game dev work will probably be with Godot.) then maybe I'll continue with that
[2024-06-12 08:24:42] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| From what I hear you can even use it for web pages and Android applications
[2024-06-12 08:24:42] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| From what I hear you can even use it for web pages and Android applications
[2024-06-12 08:24:52] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think one of the only things I've seen it not recommended for was maybe high-end video games
[2024-06-12 08:24:53] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think one of the only things I've seen it not recommended for was maybe high-end video games
[2024-06-12 08:25:03] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But everybody uses a game engine for that anyways and of course none of them natively use python
[2024-06-12 08:25:03] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But everybody uses a game engine for that anyways and of course none of them natively use python
[2024-06-12 08:26:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I remember correctly that goes back to the compiled versus interpreted thing for why python is supposed to be slower running with something like a high-end video game or something like it being a "high level" program language compared to C
[2024-06-12 08:26:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| If I remember correctly that goes back to the compiled versus interpreted thing for why python is supposed to be slower running with something like a high-end video game or something like it being a "high level" program language compared to C
[2024-06-12 08:26:45] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I don't remember which
[2024-06-12 08:26:46] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I don't remember which
[2024-06-12 08:28:41] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But you are definitely selling the JavaScript route well, but would it be unwise to focus Python for general purpose programming?
[2024-06-12 08:28:41] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| But you are definitely selling the JavaScript route well, but would it be unwise to focus Python for general purpose programming?
[2024-06-12 08:30:03] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| hard to really define what general purpose programming is
[2024-06-12 08:30:04] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| hard to really define what general purpose programming is
[2024-06-12 08:30:29] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Right, that's the hard part of picking one I suppose
[2024-06-12 08:30:29] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Right, that's the hard part of picking one I suppose
[2024-06-12 08:30:30] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if thats mostly going to be in the realms of script and automations then python is a fantastic tool if you're looking for a one size fits all
[2024-06-12 08:30:30] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if thats mostly going to be in the realms of script and automations then python is a fantastic tool if you're looking for a one size fits all
[2024-06-12 08:31:05] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I guess lacking vision in my programming dream is a thing
[2024-06-12 08:31:05] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I guess lacking vision in my programming dream is a thing
[2024-06-12 08:31:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| ive just found that at least personally most of the things i build i end up wanting a ui so i can click around and have things react to my actions, i think thats why i like js so much because the html/css ecosystem is so well developed
[2024-06-12 08:31:18] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| ive just found that at least personally most of the things i build i end up wanting a ui so i can click around and have things react to my actions, i think thats why i like js so much because the html/css ecosystem is so well developed
[2024-06-12 08:31:28] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but everything you said holds a lot of truth
[2024-06-12 08:31:28] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but everything you said holds a lot of truth
[2024-06-12 08:31:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| especially around the python interpreted + dynamic typing makes it high level so lots of overhead so slow for incredible demanding/optimised systems
[2024-06-12 08:31:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| especially around the python interpreted + dynamic typing makes it high level so lots of overhead so slow for incredible demanding/optimised systems
[2024-06-12 08:32:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but with that requirement of being demanding/optimised id wager youd be able to do 3d game development in python for a long time before you notice these constraints personally
[2024-06-12 08:32:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but with that requirement of being demanding/optimised id wager youd be able to do 3d game development in python for a long time before you notice these constraints personally
[2024-06-12 08:32:49] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Honestly one of my favorite UI systems is the ones where specific keys on the keyboard do specific actions rather than clicking with a mouse but for user friendly these days if you can't click it with the mouse then it's broken (looking at you armagetron)
[2024-06-12 08:32:49] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Honestly one of my favorite UI systems is the ones where specific keys on the keyboard do specific actions rather than clicking with a mouse but for user friendly these days if you can't click it with the mouse then it's broken (looking at you armagetron)
[2024-06-12 08:33:11] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| many of my IRL friends have been primarily motivated by changing their financial situations by aquiring new skills
[2024-06-12 08:33:11] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| many of my IRL friends have been primarily motivated by changing their financial situations by aquiring new skills
[2024-06-12 08:33:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I could definitely use a bigger pay check...
[2024-06-12 08:33:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I could definitely use a bigger pay check...
[2024-06-12 08:33:39] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| in that vein its easy for me to violently recommend javascript because web developers are the quickest to market from 0 by a good margin
[2024-06-12 08:33:39] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| in that vein its easy for me to violently recommend javascript because web developers are the quickest to market from 0 by a good margin
[2024-06-12 08:34:12] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| if you do a simple job search in your area for javascript developers vs any other language id bet money that the javascript jobs dwarf the other jobs in terms of how many positions are available
[2024-06-12 08:34:13] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| if you do a simple job search in your area for javascript developers vs any other language id bet money that the javascript jobs dwarf the other jobs in terms of how many positions are available
[2024-06-12 08:34:58] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but that says nothing about the peaks of course. highest paid dev probably isnt using javascript
[2024-06-12 08:34:58] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but that says nothing about the peaks of course. highest paid dev probably isnt using javascript
[2024-06-12 08:35:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I also don't want to fall into the idea that I'm guaranteed to make money if I learn how to program, seems it's becoming a competitive field more and more, especially with AI programming programs now too, of course no experience so idk
[2024-06-12 08:35:01] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I also don't want to fall into the idea that I'm guaranteed to make money if I learn how to program, seems it's becoming a competitive field more and more, especially with AI programming programs now too, of course no experience so idk
[2024-06-12 08:35:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| probably using cobol lol
[2024-06-12 08:35:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| probably using cobol lol
[2024-06-12 08:35:31] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| you are guaranteed a reward if you create something
[2024-06-12 08:35:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you are guaranteed a reward if you create something
[2024-06-12 08:35:45] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe the something is an app in a new language and maybe the reward is money but also maybe not
[2024-06-12 08:35:45] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe the something is an app in a new language and maybe the reward is money but also maybe not
[2024-06-12 08:35:58] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| There's a lot of failing indie game devs that might have something to say about that...
[2024-06-12 08:35:58] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| There's a lot of failing indie game devs that might have something to say about that...
[2024-06-12 08:36:05] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe for a while your reward will just be the pride of accomplishment. good to be happy with that
[2024-06-12 08:36:05] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| maybe for a while your reward will just be the pride of accomplishment. good to be happy with that
[2024-06-12 08:36:33] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now there's a point about the pride thing I think that if I had been a developer of armagedron I would still be giddy about the fact that it's still being played 25 years later and loved the way it has been
[2024-06-12 08:36:33] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now there's a point about the pride thing I think that if I had been a developer of armagedron I would still be giddy about the fact that it's still being played 25 years later and loved the way it has been
[2024-06-12 08:38:25] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now that you make me think back on it if I remember correctly that was one of the cons of python is that there's not a lot of people specifically seeking python developers am I correct?
[2024-06-12 08:38:25] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now that you make me think back on it if I remember correctly that was one of the cons of python is that there's not a lot of people specifically seeking python developers am I correct?
[2024-06-12 08:39:17] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| kinda yeah due to the main applications of advanced python mostly being in academic contexts
[2024-06-12 08:39:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| kinda yeah due to the main applications of advanced python mostly being in academic contexts
[2024-06-12 08:39:26] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but there are plenty of python jobs
[2024-06-12 08:39:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but there are plenty of python jobs
[2024-06-12 08:39:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| we're just drowning in web developer jobs comparatively
[2024-06-12 08:39:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| we're just drowning in web developer jobs comparatively
[2024-06-12 08:39:57] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| this is really it though and is what everyday i get to be thankful for about this line of work
[2024-06-12 08:39:57] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| this is really it though and is what everyday i get to be thankful for about this line of work
[2024-06-12 08:40:20] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| knowing that people are actually using/utilising/maybe even enjoying something you've created is a certain kind of magic
[2024-06-12 08:40:21] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| knowing that people are actually using/utilising/maybe even enjoying something you've created is a certain kind of magic
[2024-06-12 08:42:28] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Personally I'm motivationally challenged and find it hard to feel proud just for accomplishing something for the sake of it but that would be cool. Hear someone mention their favorite app/game is the one you made
[2024-06-12 08:42:28] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Personally I'm motivationally challenged and find it hard to feel proud just for accomplishing something for the sake of it but that would be cool. Hear someone mention their favorite app/game is the one you made
[2024-06-12 08:46:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| tbh pride is a sin
[2024-06-12 08:46:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| tbh pride is a sin
[2024-06-12 08:47:01] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| and in general its probably better to not be proud just for accompishing something
[2024-06-12 08:47:02] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| and in general its probably better to not be proud just for accompishing something
[2024-06-12 08:47:22] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but a lot of people need some form of motivation to keep going and so it can be some kinda source
[2024-06-12 08:47:22] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but a lot of people need some form of motivation to keep going and so it can be some kinda source
[2024-06-12 08:47:33] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but yeah i find much more practical sources of motivation is in the form of direct feedback
[2024-06-12 08:47:34] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but yeah i find much more practical sources of motivation is in the form of direct feedback
[2024-06-12 08:47:50] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| either you using it and realising it could be better if it did x or y or one of your users giving you that
[2024-06-12 08:47:50] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| either you using it and realising it could be better if it did x or y or one of your users giving you that
[2024-06-12 08:48:17] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| i do a lot of talks with my team at work about development philosophy and the interface between product and engineering. simple but really not so simple stuff
[2024-06-12 08:48:17] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| i do a lot of talks with my team at work about development philosophy and the interface between product and engineering. simple but really not so simple stuff
[2024-06-12 08:49:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think pride can be two different things. Like unhealthy pride vs healthy pride. Like you can be proud you won a game and be a good sport about it or you can be like a particular round fruit that grows on trees...
[2024-06-12 08:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I think pride can be two different things. Like unhealthy pride vs healthy pride. Like you can be proud you won a game and be a good sport about it or you can be like a particular round fruit that grows on trees...
[2024-06-12 08:50:42] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah but in the endgame pride only functions to inhibit growth
[2024-06-12 08:50:42] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yeah but in the endgame pride only functions to inhibit growth
[2024-06-12 08:51:18] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| as soon as you take your eye off the ball to say "yeah i did it" you have lost the progress you could have in that time
[2024-06-12 08:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| as soon as you take your eye off the ball to say "yeah i did it" you have lost the progress you could have in that time
[2024-06-12 08:51:32] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| but ofc this is not practical in our day to day lives
[2024-06-12 08:51:32] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| but ofc this is not practical in our day to day lives
[2024-06-12 08:51:36] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| you gotta find meaning somewhere
[2024-06-12 08:51:36] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| you gotta find meaning somewhere
[2024-06-12 08:52:04] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya everything is a give and take and balance is often the key
[2024-06-12 08:52:04] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Ya everything is a give and take and balance is often the key
[2024-06-12 08:52:54] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Without a feeling of accomplishment you could feel nothing and then not be motivated to repeat the effort. Rather than get a 'high' from the accomplishment and feel the need to achieve that high again
[2024-06-12 08:52:54] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Without a feeling of accomplishment you could feel nothing and then not be motivated to repeat the effort. Rather than get a 'high' from the accomplishment and feel the need to achieve that high again
[2024-06-12 08:55:48] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| yep many of this applies pretty universally, hard to get good at tron if you spend decades pwning noobs in yellow sub
[2024-06-12 08:55:48] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| yep many of this applies pretty universally, hard to get good at tron if you spend decades pwning noobs in yellow sub
[2024-06-12 08:56:09] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| gotta man up and face the failure of pickup eventually 🤣
[2024-06-12 08:56:09] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| gotta man up and face the failure of pickup eventually 🤣
[2024-06-12 09:08:36] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I can say my motivation to play Tron isn't entirely based on success but also enjoying the experience the game provides otherwise I probably wouldn't be able to play pickup over and over without giving a hoot if I win or lose, but am excited when I'm getting better.
[2024-06-12 09:08:37] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I can say my motivation to play Tron isn't entirely based on success but also enjoying the experience the game provides otherwise I probably wouldn't be able to play pickup over and over without giving a hoot if I win or lose, but am excited when I'm getting better.
[2024-06-12 09:08:47] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now if only somebody would pay me for something that I actually enjoy doing in my free time
[2024-06-12 09:08:48] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Now if only somebody would pay me for something that I actually enjoy doing in my free time
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[2024-06-12 10:58:12] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Yea the best way to view Tron skill development is to compare yourself against your previous self. As someone who's returning from a long-term hiatus, it's motivating to see several players raising the bar in terms of skill ceiling, making the game more competitive than ever. That being said, the player base isn't large enough to set up matches according to Elo, so you unfortunat <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 10:58:13] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Yea the best way to view Tron skill development is to compare yourself against your previous self. As someone who's returning from a long-term hiatus, it's motivating to see several players raising the bar in terms of skill ceiling, making the game more competitive than ever. That being said, the player base isn't large enough to set up matches according to Elo, so you unfortunat <clipped message>
[2024-06-12 10:58:13] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| ely have to grind it out and take beatings from the best until you reach their level of play. As for Apple, I don't condone everything he says, although I suspect his motivation is to provoke people into working on improving their skills in order to challenge him. I get that the J.K. Simmons Whiplash approach can be pretty unhealthy though.
[2024-06-12 10:58:13] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| ely have to grind it out and take beatings from the best until you reach their level of play. As for Apple, I don't condone everything he says, although I suspect his motivation is to provoke people into working on improving their skills in order to challenge him. I get that the J.K. Simmons Whiplash approach can be pretty unhealthy though.
[2024-06-12 11:17:07] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Lol I just take his behavior as his way of being playful at this point
[2024-06-12 11:17:07] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| Lol I just take his behavior as his way of being playful at this point
[2024-06-12 12:52:18] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Yeah, that's probably the best way to go about it. The community is pretty welcoming to newer players, but Tron does have a certain history of hazing newbies. I vividly remember my first day on the grid; I asked for instructions on how to change my key bindings, and the first answer I got was "just hit Alt-F4 to open up the menu." Unfortunately, I was naive enough to follow this advice.
[2024-06-12 12:52:18] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Yeah, that's probably the best way to go about it. The community is pretty welcoming to newer players, but Tron does have a certain history of hazing newbies. I vividly remember my first day on the grid; I asked for instructions on how to change my key bindings, and the first answer I got was "just hit Alt-F4 to open up the menu." Unfortunately, I was naive enough to follow this advice.
[2024-06-12 13:07:20] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| I guess the mentality back then was that if you can't handle the banter, you probably won't survive here anyway. To a certain extent, this probably still holds true today. As welcoming as we can be, it still requires a pretty high level of resilience and tough skin to get through Tron's steep learning curve.
[2024-06-12 13:07:20] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| I guess the mentality back then was that if you can't handle the banter, you probably won't survive here anyway. To a certain extent, this probably still holds true today. As welcoming as we can be, it still requires a pretty high level of resilience and tough skin to get through Tron's steep learning curve.
[2024-06-12 13:14:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Make like an armadilla and roll with it
[2024-06-12 13:14:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Make like an armadilla and roll with it
[2024-06-12 13:43:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| I used to think so too, but now I'm pretty sure he's usually genuinely upset 😅
[2024-06-12 13:43:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| I used to think so too, but now I'm pretty sure he's usually genuinely upset 😅
[2024-06-12 15:35:16] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| Sportsmanship and respect go hand in hand and they're earned
[2024-06-12 15:35:16] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| Sportsmanship and respect go hand in hand and they're earned
[2024-06-12 15:35:33] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:Syn| that being said it's very easy to forgive and i certainly dont hold anything against anyone
[2024-06-12 15:35:34] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:Syn| that being said it's very easy to forgive and i certainly dont hold anything against anyone
[2024-06-12 18:38:20] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ellis| i also fell for the alt-f4 on my first time. i think i was like 11 years old LOL
[2024-06-12 18:38:20] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ellis| i also fell for the alt-f4 on my first time. i think i was like 11 years old LOL
[2024-06-12 19:00:16] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:Nélg| shift+escape more likely
[2024-06-12 19:00:16] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:Nélg| shift+escape more likely
[2024-06-12 19:37:00] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| You have things were a bit different back in the old days. "Shift esc for cheat menu" has worked way more times than it should have lol
[2024-06-12 19:37:00] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| You have things were a bit different back in the old days. "Shift esc for cheat menu" has worked way more times than it should have lol
[2024-06-12 19:41:02] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I was referring to his behavior when he is winning 🤣
[2024-06-12 19:41:02] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:niveK.POT| I was referring to his behavior when he is winning 🤣
[2024-06-12 19:55:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| yea he's genuinely upset when winning too lol
[2024-06-12 19:55:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| yea he's genuinely upset when winning too lol
[2024-06-12 19:55:17] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| Heya guys. It's Judders (not Liz 🥱 ). I would like to be able to /login again but I have either forgotten my login, my p/w or both
[2024-06-12 19:55:17] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| Heya guys. It's Judders (not Liz 🥱 ). I would like to be able to /login again but I have either forgotten my login, my p/w or both
[2024-06-12 19:56:48] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| nvm have my email from 10 years ago ressting pw now 🙂
[2024-06-12 19:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| nvm have my email from 10 years ago ressting pw now 🙂
[2024-06-12 19:57:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| wkd stuff. Pickup is in #pickup, everything else is in its proper place
[2024-06-12 19:57:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| wkd stuff. Pickup is in #pickup, everything else is in its proper place
[2024-06-12 20:36:13] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| Love that this game is still going. Anyone know if any of these guys are still playing?
[2024-06-12 20:36:13] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| Love that this game is still going. Anyone know if any of these guys are still playing?
[2024-06-12 20:36:14] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1250609638945329212/image.png?ex=666b907d&is=666a3efd&hm=fc5d0ed946d1b27e55cf6929c4b8bbb1ac13d7ee1c2ed6ad03b1240165a9bd56&
[2024-06-12 20:36:14] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1250609638945329212/image.png?ex=666b907d&is=666a3efd&hm=fc5d0ed946d1b27e55cf6929c4b8bbb1ac13d7ee1c2ed6ad03b1240165a9bd56&
[2024-06-12 20:41:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| I think we saw lacka once, goody is on the forums occasionally, and xyron hops in for tournaments once in a while, but not recently. Durka plays a couple times a year
[2024-06-12 20:41:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| I think we saw lacka once, goody is on the forums occasionally, and xyron hops in for tournaments once in a while, but not recently. Durka plays a couple times a year
[2024-06-12 20:41:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lacka pops in once in a while
[2024-06-12 20:41:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Lacka pops in once in a while
[2024-06-12 20:42:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lari pops in occasionally too
[2024-06-12 20:42:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lari pops in occasionally too
[2024-06-12 20:42:16] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| Durka is more of a god than a man, I remember seeing xyron taking to the wire in sumo, but _just_ lost
[2024-06-12 20:42:16] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| Durka is more of a god than a man, I remember seeing xyron taking to the wire in sumo, but _just_ lost
[2024-06-12 20:42:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| xyron is @ nmthsndr and durka is @ durka
[2024-06-12 20:42:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| xyron is @ nmthsndr and durka is @ durka
[2024-06-12 20:42:31] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| *taking dukra to the wire
[2024-06-12 20:42:31] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| *taking dukra to the wire
[2024-06-12 20:42:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| I don't think any of the others are in the discord
[2024-06-12 20:42:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| I don't think any of the others are in the discord
[2024-06-12 20:42:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lacka is
[2024-06-12 20:42:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lacka is
[2024-06-12 20:42:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:Nanu| o
[2024-06-12 20:42:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:Nanu| o
[2024-06-12 20:43:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| @ lckdscl
[2024-06-12 20:43:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| @ lckdscl
[2024-06-12 20:43:14] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| @nmthsndr hi 🙂
[2024-06-12 20:43:14] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| @nmthsndr hi 🙂
[2024-06-12 20:43:45] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Word even pops in once in a while
[2024-06-12 20:43:46] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Word even pops in once in a while
[2024-06-12 20:44:21] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| @ddmj are you still quintuple binding? 🤣
[2024-06-12 20:44:22] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| @ddmj are you still quintuple binding? 🤣
[2024-06-12 20:47:40] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| anyone using the xyron cam these days?
[2024-06-12 20:47:40] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| anyone using the xyron cam these days?
[2024-06-12 20:49:20] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| Smart cam
[2024-06-12 20:49:20] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| Smart cam
[2024-06-12 20:50:25] <armagetronbridge> 05discord:judders88| @fofo1988 ❤️
[2024-06-12 20:50:25] <armagetron-bridge> 05discord:judders88| @fofo1988 ❤️
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[2024-06-12 23:49:53] <armagetronbridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Hey @judders88 I'm not on that list but definitely happy to see you back 🙂
[2024-06-12 23:49:53] <armagetron-bridge> 15discord:rudycantfail.| Hey @judders88 I'm not on that list but definitely happy to see you back 🙂
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